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Nelson Leads By 4% in FL

Its a snowy day in the Northeast, but that did not stop Gravis Marketing from releasing a new poll for the state of Florida showing Bill nelson holding onto a 4% lead in his bid for re-election while Republicans will be hoping John Morgan runs a spirited campaign for Governor as an Independent.

US SENATE – FLORIDA (Gravis)
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 44%
Rick Scott (R) 40%

GOVERNOR – FLORIDA (Gravis)

Adam Putnam (R) 34%
Andrew Gillum (D) 28%

Adam Putnam (R) 28%
Andrew Gillum (D) 23%
John Morgan (I) 16%

Adam Putnam (R) 34%
Gwen Graham (D) 32%

Adam Putnam (R) 29%
Gwen Graham (D) 22%
John Morgan (I) 17%

Gwen Graham (D) 33%
Ron DeSanstis (R) 30%

Andrew Gillum (D) 33%
Richard Corcoran (R) 26%

Richard Corcoran (R) 25%
Andrew Gillum (D) 23%
John Morgan (I) 17%

Gwen Graham (D) 32%
Richard Corcoran (R) 28%

Richard Corcoran (R) 26%
Gwen Graham (D) 21%
John Morgan (I) 16%

Andrew Gillum (D) 33%
Ron Desantis (R) 26%

This poll took forever to get completed, being done February 26th through March 19th among 2312 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:02 am
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378 Responses to “Nelson Leads By 4% in FL”

  1. Messy57 says:

    First!

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    Thank you, Wizard.

  3. Messy57 says:

    That being said, let’s get down to brass tacks: while the Austin mad bomber blowing himself was cute, we still won’t know why he was doing it.

    It was interesting to note that Fox News was the only one covering it.

    The preliminary Senate Russia report was underreported by pretty much everyone. Election security is something that’s extremely important.

    The arrest of the former President of France was something unprecedented since after World War II.

    The closest was the exile of Georges Bidalt for supporting the assassination of de Gualle in the early 1960s.

    For you conservatives out there, Justin Trudeau’s popularity rating is sinking like a rock.

  4. Cash Cow TM says:

    Much relief that the Austin bomber is no more.

    Are we going to speculate bout what the facts will show?

    –a typical boy next door type; everyone shocked that it was him, well liked and highly thought of, etc.

    or

    — loner, no friends, troubled past, came from disfunctional or broken family, etc.

    or

    –some grudge against some person or group, ulterior motive, etc.

  5. mnw says:

    RAS 46

  6. MichiganGuy says:

    * BOOM BOOM *
    .
    Calif. school district fires teacher who ripped military.
    .
    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/379478-calif-school-district-fires-teacher-who-ripped-military

  7. Robbie says:

    Cuck. Amirite?

    Frank Thorp V
    ?@frankthorp

    Some from @ChuckGrassley: “I think Putin is a criminal. What he did in Georgia, what he did in Ukraine, what he did in Baltic, what he’s done in London poisoning people with active nerve gas, that’s a criminal act. I wouldn’t have a conversation with a criminal.”

  8. Wes says:

    Of course GWB said Putin was a good man after looking in his eyes.

  9. Wes says:

    PPP has a series of polls out all showing Dems leading by a consistent minimum of 5% in various states. McSally, Blackburn, and Heller all trail by five. Vukmir trails by 12. Barletta trails by 18.

    I find these numbers suspect.

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Did somebody ask for a Nirvanna song? No? Too bad.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

  11. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t think Barletta will lose by 18 but he will lose. Casey is an empty suit but he pretends to be a moderate Dem.

  12. Wes says:

    I never thought of you as a grunge kind of guy, Bitter.

  13. Wes says:

    I think Barletta loses too. Notice these numbers though. Dems lead by double digits in the seats they hold while every Republican running for a seat currently held by a Republican trails by five.

    You can’t tell me PPP wasn’t agenda polling with this one.

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m deep, Wes.

    Gayest post of the day in 3…2…1…

  15. DW says:

    Wes, the GOP should nationalize the election. Push the tax cuts and jobs and economy. Tell the people that if you give the gavel back to Pelosi your jobs go back to China, your cash goes back to DC to be flushed down the toilet and your retirement plans can lose half their value.

  16. Wes says:

    I don’t disagree, DW. Getting Trump not to step on that narrative with some petty Twitter feud may be problematic, however.

  17. DW says:

    17 – oh I know.

  18. mnw says:

    I don’t see Blackburn losing an open seat in TN(!) by 5! That’s just a DEM fantasy right there.

  19. Michael says:

    There are new PPP polls and they are all Democratic victories for Senate in TN, AZ, WI, PA, & NV.

  20. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    They are not only PPP polls but were sponsored by a Liberal group concerned about ObamaCare.
    Grain of salt!

  21. Phil says:

    Who is the political guru that came out yesterday saying the House will definitely flip? He came out yesterday after talking with a number of Republican insiders. All told him it was over. Democrats need 23 seats and he said Democrats will gain a minimum of 30 and a max of 45. I don’t see that happening without Dems picking up as many as the two they are after in NC and sweeping all three of the ones they are after in Texas. I only see the one in Texas with Sessions and Culberson winning.

  22. DW says:

    At least PPP reveals the call questions in their polls. Here are the latest PPP poll questions:

    1. What emotional reaction do you have when you think of Republican senators pulling injured children out of hospitals and killing them in the streets?

    a. Anger
    b. Rage
    c. Revenge
    d. All of the above

    2. Who do you plan to vote for in the election for United States Senate?

    a. The Democrat
    b. The evil baby-killing Republican

  23. Robbie says:

    Good job, everyone. Good job.

    Trump opposed to Mississippi Senate pick.

    NYCmike running up and down the street pumping his fist at the idea Chris McDaniel could make Mike Espy a senator.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/white-house-opposes-cindy-hyde-smith-477571

  24. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Who is the political guru that came out yesterday saying the House will definitely flip? He came out yesterday after talking with a number of Republican insiders. All told him it was over. Democrats need 23 seats and he said Democrats will gain a minimum of 30 and a max of 45. I don’t see that happening without Dems picking up as many as the two they are after in NC and sweeping all three of the ones they are after in Texas. I only see the one in Texas with Sessions and Culberson winning.

    – It was Stuart Rothenburg. We all liked him in 2014.

    Regardless, there’s a massive wave building for Democrats. The public isn’t engaged on particular races right now. But as they do become more focused (especially in October), more and more supposedly safe House members will start to look endangered. Just last week, there was a story that Republicans already fear Lynn Jenkins House seat is in trouble in Kansas. Kansas.

    Don’t waste your time looking at past margins in these races. They don’t matter. The intensity on the side of the Democrats is through the roof. Just yesterday, Democrat voting was up over 100% from 2014 in Illinois while Republicans were at just 70% of their 2014 levels. That’s a huge warning sign that last flashed in 2008.

    And while all of these troubling signs are showing up in primary voting, Trump is dealing with a two front war. On one front, is Robert Mueller and the Russia investigation. On the other front, is the women coming forward to talk about their sexual affairs/harassment with Trump (Stormy, McDougal, Zervos). And as much as some want to say this doesn’t matter, it will matter, especially with suburban women where Republicans are hemorrhaging.

  25. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 11:05 am
    Wes, the GOP should nationalize the election. Push the tax cuts and jobs and economy. Tell the people that if you give the gavel back to Pelosi your jobs go back to China, your cash goes back to DC to be flushed down the toilet and your retirement plans can lose half their value.

    – Won’t work. In this day and age, all elections are nationalized, especially with such a polarizing figure as president. But more importantly with Trump at the helm, there’s precisely ZERO chance the party will be able to stick strictly to the economy/tax cuts. Why? Trump has no message discipline. Each morning, his rage tweeting will force Republicans to deviate from whatever message of the day they had. Every day, the press will force Republican candidates to state whether they agree or disagree with whatever random thing Trump tweets after he watches Fox & Friends.

  26. Robbie says:

    By the time the Fall rolls around, I think Republican pickup prospects in the Senate will be confined to ND, MO, IN, and, depending on the primary result, WV. They may need those wins as well because I think Democrats are reasonable favorites to win NV, AZ, and possibly another AZ if McCain sadly dies in the near future. And none of that figures what happens in MS. McDaniel could Roy Moore that race.

    And by the way, notice Rick Scott still hasn’t announced he’s running. I expect he will run, but I’m sure the toxic atmosphere for Republicans is causing him some indigestion.

  27. DW says:

    It can work if the house GOP makes it work. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the house leadership. But the path is there if they are willing to take it. They are only in a hopeless situation if they wish to be in one.

  28. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    It can work if the house GOP makes it work. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the house leadership. But the path is there if they are willing to take it. They are only in a hopeless situation if they wish to be in one.

    – It’s sound strategy, but tell me how that works with Trump? How do you keep him on message? It will never happen. He demands that he be the center of attention. Every weirdo campaign rally he holds with every weirdo idea he pushes will drown out whatever candidates want to discuss.

  29. NYCmike says:

    Robbie – all DOOM, all the time!

  30. DW says:

    Lots of things have worked with Trump. Gorsuch, tax cuts, and so on. Yes, Trump is a loose cannon, but that doesn’t mean every shot fired from the cannon is bad either. But I see no point in rooting for Dems to take over the house just because Jeb spent all those millions of dollars and could only get 4 delegates.

    Granted the GOP path is harder to hold the house after the PA communist court appointed themselves to be legislators, but the GOP still has a path.

  31. Redmen4ever says:

    Q gives Dems a 6 point advantage, ditto YouGov. These numbers don’t point to a wave election. It’s the gap in voter enthusiasm and the ability of Dems, in special elections, to focus GOTV one race at a time. We need to spread the field and motivate the base.

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    27. Here we go again…Robbie talking doom and gloom.

    Despite campaigning as a fake Republican, the Democratic candidate in Pennsylvania’s special election only won by about 600 votes. Is the Democratic Party nationally going to adopt the campaign platform of Conor Lamb? Like Lamb maybe Nancy Pelosi can run campaign commercials showing her shooting an AR-15?

    If the candidate in Pennsylvania had run as a Sander/Pelosi Democrat, he would have lost.

  33. Walt says:

    Tired of shoveling and snow blowing at my house and the neighbors driveways.

    I say GFY mother nature and the horse she rode in on.

  34. Walt says:

    Had about 8 inches yesterday and got another 6 inches last night.

    Still snowing.

  35. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have been reading Robbie’s posts.

    Because of that, I predict there will not be any Republicans to win U.S. House seats.

    438Ds – 0 Rs

    I am working on the bunker and laying in lots of hay and bag balm.

  36. Cash Cow TM says:

    or is it 435?

    Cow gets confused.

  37. Michael says:

    The new Quinnipiac poll is pretty awesome for Trump actually.

    He’s almost positive regarding North Korea.

    Also it seems Trump is not going to have a huge “impact” on how people will vote for candidates, 59% of Independents say Trump isn’t going to impact who they vote for. Democrats won’t be able to campaign solely off of “We are not Trump.”

    The Congressional Ballot lead is down to 49-43 for Dems and Trump’s Approval is at 40/53, a big shift from 38/56 a few weeks earlier.

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2529

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2529

  38. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    Lots of things have worked with Trump. Gorsuch, tax cuts, and so on. Yes, Trump is a loose cannon, but that doesn’t mean every shot fired from the cannon is bad either. But I see no point in rooting for Dems to take over the house just because Jeb spent all those millions of dollars and could only get 4 delegates.
    Granted the GOP path is harder to hold the house after the PA communist court appointed themselves to be legislators, but the GOP still has a path.

    – Show me where I am rooting for Democrats to win the House. I’ll be waiting for a long while because I’m rooting for no such thing. You’re better than this.

  39. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:13 pm
    Robbie – all DOOM, all the time!

    – NYCmike – all Trump support.

  40. Robbie says:

    Redmen4ever says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:19 pm
    Q gives Dems a 6 point advantage, ditto YouGov. These numbers don’t point to a wave election. It’s the gap in voter enthusiasm and the ability of Dems, in special elections, to focus GOTV one race at a time. We need to spread the field and motivate the base.

    – At this point in the 2014 cycle, Democrats had 2 point lead in the generic ballot. That didn’t indicate a wave either, but what happened? A Republican wave. Why? The fundamentals of a second term midterm and a president with a 42% approval rating.

    In the final RCP generic ballot average, Republicans had a 5.7% lead. That produced a large wave that brought Republicans 249 House seats, loads of state legislative seats, and governorships.

  41. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    27. Here we go again…Robbie talking doom and gloom.
    Despite campaigning as a fake Republican, the Democratic candidate in Pennsylvania’s special election only won by about 600 votes. Is the Democratic Party nationally going to adopt the campaign platform of Conor Lamb? Like Lamb maybe Nancy Pelosi can run campaign commercials showing her shooting an AR-15?
    If the candidate in Pennsylvania had run as a Sander/Pelosi Democrat, he would have lost.

    – All the data shows a wave for Democrats. You can try and explain it away, but the data is all there.

    – A reasonably large deficit in the generic ballot average.
    – A president with a very low approval rating.

  42. Robbie says:

    Walt says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    Tired of shoveling and snow blowing at my house and the neighbors driveways.
    I say GFY mother nature and the horse she rode in on.

    – Just shoveled eight inches of heavy, wet snow. My back needs a rest.

  43. Robbie says:

    Cash Cow TM says:
    March 21, 2018 at 1:37 pm
    I have been reading Robbie’s posts.
    Because of that, I predict there will not be any Republicans to win U.S. House seats.
    438Ds – 0 Rs
    I am working on the bunker and laying in lots of hay and bag balm.

    – Democrats – 235
    Republicans – 200

    I see a 40 seat loss. That’s been my best guess since early last Fall.

  44. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have mixed feelings on Trump, and do believe he will hurt the Republicans in the Midterms, and there will be a higher turnout among Democrats because of their dislike of Trump.

    Believe the Republicans will hold the Senate, maybe pick up a few seats. The House at this point is 50%-50%.

  45. DW says:

    40 – go back and read all of your own posts, or survey HHR regulars…in fact I will start the survey.

    If you are a regular, pick up the survey below and the comment here, add your number to the total, and repost it. No voting twice (we would see it anyway) and so here we go….

    Which do you believe to be true:

    1) Robbie is an honest, hard working Republican who is eager and excited to see Republicans at all levels of government elected and be successful.

    2) Robbie cares mostly about the fact that Jeb! was defeated in 2016 and his sour grapes is expressed by all his doom and gloom and desire to see Republicans lose so he can say ‘see I told you so’ in regards to Jeb’s rejection.

    3) Robbie is an outright Democrat trolling HHR pretending to be a concerned Republican and is doing all he can to increase pessimism in the GOP’s chances in future elections.

    I waffle between 2 and 3, but will go with 2 at the moment. So here are the current voting totals:

    1) 0 votes
    2) 1 vote
    3) 0 votes

  46. Robbie says:

    I’m not going to back off my view that, if Trump’s gets his approval average to 45% in RCP, Republicans will hold the House. That said, my view about 45% was based on Trump’s disapproval coming down to 48% or so. If the spread between the approval/disapproval is just 3 or 4 that would be huge for House Republicans. In other words, a reasonably neutral environment.

    Here’s the issue, though. While there has been some fluctuation with Trump’s approval, his disapproval has remained around 55%. People may have become so polarized about Trump that there’s just not enough movable voters to bring that disapproval number down.

  47. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    40 – go back and read all of your own posts, or survey HHR regulars…in fact I will start the survey.
    If you are a regular, pick up the survey below and the comment here, add your number to the total, and repost it. No voting twice (we would see it anyway) and so here we go….
    Which do you believe to be true:
    1) Robbie is an honest, hard working Republican who is eager and excited to see Republicans at all levels of government elected and be successful.
    2) Robbie cares mostly about the fact that Jeb! was defeated in 2016 and his sour grapes is expressed by all his doom and gloom and desire to see Republicans lose so he can say ‘see I told you so’ in regards to Jeb’s rejection.
    3) Robbie is an outright Democrat trolling HHR pretending to be a concerned Republican and is doing all he can to increase pessimism in the GOP’s chances in future elections.
    I waffle between 2 and 3, but will go with 2 at the moment. So here are the current voting totals:
    1) 0 votes
    2) 1 vote
    3) 0 votes

    – You can post whatever idiotic poll you want, but it doesn’t change a thing. I’ve been a apart of this forum since 2004 advocating for Republicans who can win races.

    What I won’t do is throw away my integrity to support a vile, unqualified clown as it appears you have. And I’m also not going to temper my views simply because the person in the White House puts a R after his name as a way to con the gullible conservatives.

    If you can’t handle news that doesn’t fit your pro-Trump agenda, that’s your problem. Not mine.

    But keep saying Jeb and Jason fraud will fall in love with you.

  48. DW says:

    “What I won’t do is throw away my integrity to support a vile, unqualified clown as it appears you have.”

    The options were him or Hillary. There was no other choice. President Hillary would not have given us a tax cut or Justice Gorsuch and you know it. I have always believed Trump is morally corrupt, and I always will. But he can be morally corrupt and good things can still be done. Both can be true.

  49. Robbie says:

    DW thinks I’ve been an undercover Democrat posting in this forum for the last 14 years. Ha! Yes, I showed up in 2004 to passionately support GWB, in 2006 to support Republicans, in 2008 to support McCain, and so on and so forth because I’m a secret Democrat trying to sow confusion. That’s why I was supporting Republicans in 2010 and 2014. Because I thought Republicans winning would actually hurt Republicans? Talk about tortured logic.

    Try harder, DW. You’re embarrassing yourself. Next thing you know, DW is going to accuse me of being part of the deep state.

  50. DW says:

    51 – I try reading carefully…I voted #2, not #3. Others might vote #3 if they are convinced that is who you are based on your behavior.

  51. CG says:

    What in the world is Trump’s issue with Cindy Hyde-Smith?

    It seems like she has been a “loyal Trumpist” since the campaign and she has been on his Agriculture Advisory Committee, etc.

    She “used to be a Democrat?” What the hell was Trump?

  52. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    “What I won’t do is throw away my integrity to support a vile, unqualified clown as it appears you have.”
    The options were him or Hillary. There was no other choice. President Hillary would not have given us a tax cut or Justice Gorsuch and you know it. I have always believed Trump is morally corrupt, and I always will. But he can be morally corrupt and good things can still be done. Both can be true.

    – And is this why you mocked Trump so often during the primary/general and often noted that you were going to report on all of the polling that showed other Republicans beating Clinton while Trump couldn’t?

    Also, do you feel the same way about Wes, Jason fraud, EML, Author, MD, and so many of the other regulars here who also didn’t vote for Trump? (If one of the names I listed did vote for Trump, sorry).

  53. CG says:

    DW, don’t embarrass yourself with pointless, dumb polls.

  54. CG says:

    “But he can be morally corrupt and good things can still be done. Both can be true.”

    Perhaps, but what does the Bible say about that?

  55. CG says:

    Specifically, Mark 8:36?

  56. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    51 – I try reading carefully…I voted #2, not #3. Others might vote #3 if they are convinced that is who you are based on your behavior.

    – Yes, go back to February 20, 2016 when Jeb dropped out of the race and show me all of the posts where I have mentioned, on my own, Jeb or complained that I won’t support Trump because Jeb lost. I’ll wait, but I won’t hold my breath. Jason fraud must be so proud that you’re parroting his inane talking points.

  57. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    What in the world is Trump’s issue with Cindy Hyde-Smith?
    It seems like she has been a “loyal Trumpist” since the campaign and she has been on his Agriculture Advisory Committee, etc.
    She “used to be a Democrat?” What the hell was Trump?

    – You’re applying logic to someone who doesn’t operate logically.

  58. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    “But he can be morally corrupt and good things can still be done. Both can be true.”
    Perhaps, but what does the Bible say about that?

    – Morality? We don’t need no stinking morality unless the president is a Democrat.

  59. DW says:

    “Also, do you feel the same way about Wes, Jason fraud, EML, Author, MD, and so many of the other regulars here who also didn’t vote for Trump? (If one of the names I listed did vote for Trump, sorry).”

    They all don’t come here every day to cheer every news story that is bad for the GOP because they are bitter about their preferred candidate getting defeated in the 2016 primary.

    I was for Scott Walker until he flopped, then I was for Rubio. He lost. Out of the 17 GOP candidates, the one about 16th on my list won the party nomination. I did all I could do to stop it. But once its done, all I can do is hope for the best. It won’t undo 2016 to cheer on Republican defeats in 2018 just so I can say I told you so.

  60. DW says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    “But he can be morally corrupt and good things can still be done. Both can be true.”

    Perhaps, but what does the Bible say about that?

    So you are saying President Hillary would have given us a tax cut and Justice Gorsuch?

    The ONLY two options available in 2016 were one candidate who was morally corrupt against another candidate who was morally corrupt, politically corrupt, and criminally corrupt. Enough voters decided that of the two options, they would go with the least corrupt and elected Trump.

    It is what it is, and I am not going to cheer for the defeat of the GOP congress.

  61. DW says:

    60 – personally morality was not an option on the 2016 ballot. It wasn’t there, quit pretending like it was.

  62. CG says:

    It’s interesting that people specifically only want this forum to be a “cheerleading section.”

    It’s delusional though to equate pessimism with “cheering.”

    The reality on the ground is that Republicans should expect to have a rough midterm. Just how rough, remains to be seen. Democrats have their own problems.

  63. CG says:

    Well, DW, you were lying then for months and months when you stated that your faith made you unable to ever vote for Donald Trump.

    I suspected as much about you at the time, but that’s fine.

    Now, what does the Bible verse I cited say?

  64. DW says:

    64-and yet you and Robbie are nowhere to be found on days when there is good GOP news. But the moment there is bad news…bingo…an appearance to celebrate that news. You realize regulars here sometimes jump in and say, oh, this will draw Robbie out of hiding, and immediately he shows up and posts.

  65. CG says:

    I’m not here most days, “good news” or “bad news” but as you insist that this forum only be a pro-Trump echo chamber, why should I even bother at all?

    Aren’t I just a “troll” if I don’t agree with you and the herd?

  66. mnw says:

    DW

    RE: your poll

    I vote for #3– pure DEM TROLL.

  67. Robbie says:

    What DW doesn’t like is that I don’t tow the “everything is fine” line that dominates HHR right now. I got the same criticisms in 2008 and again in 2012. That said, I’m not going to have too much concern for a group of people who thought McCain would win in 2008 because of the delbov curve or the Bradley effect. Nor am I going to have too much concern for those who thought Romney would win in 2012 because of poll skewing.

    It’s not my fault the news is bad for Republicans. It’s Trump’s fault for not acting in a manner appropriate for the presidency. And let’s be clear, the reason Republicans are in an awful spot has nothing to do with Republicans. It has everything to do with Trump and his behavior.

  68. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:29 pm
    60 – personally morality was not an option on the 2016 ballot. It wasn’t there, quit pretending like it was.

    – Sure it was. It’s called not voting if you don’t approve of any of the choices. There’s no law that requires us to vote.

  69. Michael says:

    The GOP “strategists” that surround Trump really need to take a hike, they’d be lucky to know anything about politics considering their the ones that wanted him to campaign in California and Maryland.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/white-house-opposes-cindy-hyde-smith-477571

  70. CG says:

    There was nobody here EVER more pessimistic about Republican political prospects than Wes in 2006 and 2008. People derided him as “White Flag Wes.”

    Compared to many, he turned out to be largely right about the landscape. But was he “rooting against” Republicans?

  71. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm
    64-and yet you and Robbie are nowhere to be found on days when there is good GOP news. But the moment there is bad news…bingo…an appearance to celebrate that news. You realize regulars here sometimes jump in and say, oh, this will draw Robbie out of hiding, and immediately he shows up and posts.

    – When was there sustained good news for Republicans since the 2016 election?

    If you’re talking about Neil Gorsuch, go back in the archives and look at all of the credit I gave Trump for choosing him. Look at all of the credit I gave Trump for his circuit court nominees. It’s there.

    I guess you conveniently forgot that since it doesn’t fit your view that I only show up for the negative.

  72. Redmen4ever says:

    Recent History of the Generic Congressional Ballot

    2002 Mar – close; Apr – Ds ahead; Nov – Rs +5
    2006 Mar – Ds ahead double digits and more or less maintained that lead through the election
    2010 Mar – close; Rs opened a lead in Jul; Nov – Rs +9
    2014 – Mar close; Rs opened a lead in Sep; Nov – Rs +6

    At this time, Ds are +6; this is in between close and Ds having a double-digit lead. Something less than a wave is indicated. But, things can and will probably change by the time of the election.

    To quote Terminator 2: “There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.”

  73. DW says:

    Mark 8:36…I will put it in its context for you:

    34 When [Jesus] had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, “Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 35For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. 36 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

    Jesus was instructing His disciples on the cost of discipleship. Christ was on a death march to the roman cross where he would die to pay the penalty for each sinner who trusts in Christ.

    He pointed out that someone trying to gain everlasting life in heaven by one’s own merit was doomed to fail. But if someone gives up his personal goals in this life to live for Christ as his disciple, will in the end save his life.

    Along these lines someone could work so hard as to gain control of all the world–and yet if one did so outside of Christ, he loses his soul. That’s Christ’s point as he asks rhetorically what someone can give in exchange for his soul.

    Then Christ goes on to say if someone is ashamed of Christ and His teaching in this life, then there is no relationship with Christ and no expectation for living with Christ in eternity.

    I am not sure what this has to do with the 2016 election or why you brought it into the discussion.

  74. CG says:

    Who can analyze Mark 8:36 (from the New Testament) for us and tell us why from a Christian perspective, it is now “fake news?”

  75. CG says:

    Ask I shall receive. Let me go read it now.

  76. CG says:

    Oh, I think it has a lot to do with how it contradicts your post from a few minutes ago when you said immoral actions can bring about good things and we should welcome that.

  77. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:33 pm
    DW
    RE: your poll
    I vote for #3– pure DEM TROLL.

    – Yes, I have been a deep undercover agent since 2004. I have been supporting Republicans candidates since then just to build my credibility up with you so I could then troll you when Trump got elected. At DNC troll headquarters, we have a time machine so we knew Trump would be elected and we set into motion our plan to upset a few idiots like you in a comment section. How are we doing? I have a status report to write and send back to 2004.

  78. CG says:

    You specifically said someone can be morally corrupt and good and that “both can be true.”

    That’s not what the New Testament seems to say though.

  79. DW says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:29 pm
    60 – personally morality was not an option on the 2016 ballot. It wasn’t there, quit pretending like it was.

    – Sure it was. It’s called not voting if you don’t approve of any of the choices. There’s no law that requires us to vote.

    You don’t understand what voting is then. Voting is your chance as a citizen to affect the outcome of an election. There are two choices and of the two I would prefer the one that is the least evil. Voting morality is a slippery slope one could take to the point where one could never vote for anyone but himself. And voting morality is something democrats desperately wish more Republicans would follow.

    Furthermore, I live in Virginia. All 13 electoral votes from my state went to Hillary Clinton. So I had nothing to do with the outcome. But you seem bent on never moving on from the 2016 election. It was a year and a half ago. Let it go. It is what it is, and like it or not Trump is president. Nothing you say or do is going to roll back the clock and make Jeb president.

  80. CG says:

    Unless DW, you do not believe or even more likely simply do not care that DJT is “morally corrupt.”

    Just own up to it, like you did not do about how you were going to vote until after the election was over and you determined that since HHR was happy Hillary lost, you were “safe” to admit it.

  81. NYCmike says:

    When “CG” rides shotgun, I choose #3.

    Joy at losing, and sanctimony, are some combination.!

  82. DW says:

    69 – nowhere have I suggested everything is fine. I was duly outraged at the PA judge decision that could affect house control this fall. There are good days in the news there are bad days. I don’t show up only on the bad days to cheer the downfall of the GOP because Rubio didn’t get the 2016 nomination.

  83. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    When “CG” rides shotgun, I choose #3.
    Joy at losing, and sanctimony, are some combination.!

    – I could easily claim you’re a Democrat troll since you only support Senate candidate who ensure the party loses safe seats. Instead, I just think you’re hopelessly misguided.

  84. CG says:

    When Rubio did not get the nomination, you spent every single day here making up a alternative political universe in which Rubio was the nominee running against Hillary Clinton. Long, lengthy posts. You were literally role-playing.

    And you also insisted, for months on end, that as a Christian, you could *never* live with yourself if you voted for Trump.

    You expected him to lose and expected to leave it at that.

  85. NYCmike says:

    ” I don’t show up only on the bad days to cheer the downfall of the GOP because Rubio didn’t get the 2016 nomination.”

    -EVERY DAY is bad for “CG” and Robbie since Nov 8, 2016.

    The days they show up is when it might be worse for others.

  86. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    You don’t understand what voting is then. Voting is your chance as a citizen to affect the outcome of an election. There are two choices and of the two I would prefer the one that is the least evil. Voting morality is a slippery slope one could take to the point where one could never vote for anyone but himself. And voting morality is something democrats desperately wish more Republicans would follow.

    – Umm, yes I do understand what voting is. I expressed my view by choosing not to vote for Trump or Clinton as most of the regulars here did as well.

  87. Waingro says:

    So the CGB has things at about a D+6 right now, yet I’m seeing “concerned” posters on RRH say that even with closing CGB numbers and even if Trump’s approval numbers improve to “+1”, then they are “not even sure” the GOP keeps the House.

    Huh?

  88. DW says:

    78 and 80 – you have absolutely no acumen for interpreting the New Testament. Take my advice and don’t go there. I can parse the Greek words and complete a literary analysis of any New Testament pericope.

    You ripped that verse in Mark completely out of its context trying to force it to say something it doesn’t say.

    My point is actually supported by Scripture where there are examples over and over of God choosing to use bad people to still accomplish His will and bring about good for a society of people.

    Stop embarrassing yourself.

  89. Phil says:

    I don’t think Robbie is a Democrat. Never did. I don’t understand his deal with the MSM. These are the same people who tore into W day in day out when he was President. They would have done the same to Jeb although not quite as much because of a few issues they like (Jeb would have still had us in the Paris Climate Accords for example).

    What Robbie refuses to realize is that the MSM he keeps citing as hating Trump hate ALL Republicans. If Trump dropped dead tomorrow they would immediately be all over Pence – and he doesn’t even tweet.

  90. CG says:

    As an addendum to a previous post where I mentioned the narrative involving “White Flag Wes”, and his pessimism in 2006 and 2008, it should be noted that he proudly was open about not voting for John McCain.

    I don’t see why Robbie (or whomever) should be held to a more suspicious standard.

  91. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    ” I don’t show up only on the bad days to cheer the downfall of the GOP because Rubio didn’t get the 2016 nomination.”
    -EVERY DAY is bad for “CG” and Robbie since Nov 8, 2016.
    The days they show up is when it might be worse for others.

    – And I guess supporting a lifelong NYC Democrat who donated to Hillary Clinton in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 qualifies as a good day for Mr. Tea Party?

    At least I now know your affinity for conservative purist is negotiable so long as Donald Trump and the RAISE Act are the other alternative.

  92. DW says:

    If you are a regular, pick up the survey below and the comment here, add your number to the total, and repost it. No voting twice (we would see it anyway) and so here we go….
    Which do you believe to be true:
    1) Robbie is an honest, hard working Republican who is eager and excited to see Republicans at all levels of government elected and be successful.
    2) Robbie cares mostly about the fact that Jeb! was defeated in 2016 and his sour grapes is expressed by all his doom and gloom and desire to see Republicans lose so he can say ‘see I told you so’ in regards to Jeb’s rejection.
    3) Robbie is an outright Democrat trolling HHR pretending to be a concerned Republican and is doing all he can to increase pessimism in the GOP’s chances in future elections.
    I waffle between 2 and 3, but will go with 2 at the moment. So here are the current voting totals:
    1) 0 votes
    2) 1 vote
    3) 2 votes

  93. NYCmike says:

    “– I could easily claim you’re a Democrat troll since you only support Senate candidate who ensure the party loses safe seats.”

    -Got it.

    50% of a primary electorate who chooses a candidate not of your liking that happens to lose are also Democrat trolls.

    Great logic.

    Does the same apply to people who voted for McCain and Romney in their respective primaries in 2008 and 2012?

    BECAUSE there were plenty of people who warned that both of them would be sure losers.

  94. CG says:

    90 You didn’t bother to explain what was wrong with the quote.

    It’s just pure hypocrisy. But yes, you did go on record here in the past that I was “going to hell” since I do not share your specific religious views, so there’s not much more to expect you to answer to me on the topic.

  95. Phil says:

    Also Robbie hasn’t supported dead enders that insure Democrats win senate seats. I take that as at least some indication he wants more Republicans elected. Not a Democrat.

  96. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:51 pm
    I don’t think Robbie is a Democrat. Never did. I don’t understand his deal with the MSM. These are the same people who tore into W day in day out when he was President. They would have done the same to Jeb although not quite as much because of a few issues they like (Jeb would have still had us in the Paris Climate Accords for example).
    What Robbie refuses to realize is that the MSM he keeps citing as hating Trump hate ALL Republicans. If Trump dropped dead tomorrow they would immediately be all over Pence – and he doesn’t even tweet.

    – Congrats to Phil. He managed to work in Jeb and the MSM to his post about me. No Morning Joe though. Sad. The problem is I have not mentioned Jeb since he quit the race in 2016 (unless Jason fraud brings him up) nor do I spend my time watching the evil deep state MSM.

  97. CG says:

    Robbie is most certainly a Republican. He just seems to be a pessimist by nature. He was posting on here right after the 2004 election that he was afraid John Kerry was going to win some kind of recount by thievery.

  98. NYCmike says:

    ” I expressed my view by choosing not to vote for Trump or Clinton as most of the regulars here did as well.”

    -Understood.

    You, “CG”, Author, MD, jason, etc all thought Trump would be no better than Hillary.

    ACTIONS since Jan 20, 2017 (actually, even before that) have showed that opinion to be faulty.

  99. CG says:

    Whatever anyone thinks of Jeb Bush, why do people ignore the fact that during his Presidential campaign, he vocally spoke out against the Paris Accords and promised to withdraw from them?

    The one candidate in the field who didn’t was Kasich, whom was the “Tina endorsed conservative choice.”

  100. CG says:

    On some things Trump has been better than Hillary would have been. On others, Hillary would have been better than Trump is.

    The more both talk, the more vindicated I feel to have voted against both of them.

  101. Robbie says:

    DW and his polls. How embarrassing.

  102. DW says:

    100 – and I had concerns that president-elect Trump would quickly become a lapdog for Pelosi and Schumer. Thankfully, I was wrong and that hasn’t happened. Trump’s presidency is far from perfect and he is a deeply flawed individual, but we are getting some good things done.

  103. NYCmike says:

    “You, “CG”, Author, MD, jason, etc ”

    -Only Jason has shown any willingness to acknowledge the good Trump has done, while still maintaining several issues where he disagrees with Trump.

  104. Phil says:

    I was stuck at the Dr’s office yesterday while they had CNN on. They had a panel on and for twenty minuets they trashed Trump and his infidelity with porn stars.

    The members of that panel are the same types that laughed at Pence for not having meals with other females no his wife.

    CNN just like the rest of the MSM just hates Republicans. Period.

  105. DW says:

    103 – didn’t mean to embarrass you, just point out to you how others here view you.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “On others, Hillary would have been better than Trump is.”

    -Examples?

  107. CG says:

    Do we forget that Walt voted against Trump and if I recall, Mrs. Walt voted for Hillary…

    and he didn’t even divorce her!

    (good for him)

  108. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    43. “– All the data shows a wave for Democrats. You can try and explain it away, but the data is all there.”

    Ask President Hillary Clinton how nice it is that all the data showing her winning the presidency in a Democratic wave.

    Am still skeptical. Right now the Democratic Party is a disjointed mess. Running fake Republicans is an indication to me they are not sure of what they stand for, or know the voters will not support it. Pelosi and Shumer have lower popularity than Trump.

    In these chaotic times, am not sure anyone can predict what will happen. Some last minute silliness by either side right before the Mid-terms could muck up everybody’s predictions.

  109. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:55 pm
    Robbie is most certainly a Republican. He just seems to be a pessimist by nature. He was posting on here right after the 2004 election that he was afraid John Kerry was going to win some kind of recount by thievery.

    – No, I didn’t think Kerry would win a recount in thievery. I was worried he was going to go through with a recount as a way to muck up GWB’s election win. John Conyers held hearings about how Republicans stole Ohio. It was insane, but it did get traction with some media.

  110. CG says:

    105. You have seen plenty by now about how I go back against the liberals on the other blog and will even “defend” Trump and more likely his voters, on matters that I think are unfair or irrelevant.

  111. NYCmike says:

    “Whatever anyone thinks of Jeb Bush, why do people ignore the fact that during his Presidential campaign, he vocally spoke out against the Paris Accords and promised to withdraw from them?”

    -“Read my lips”? “Compassionate conservatism”?

  112. CG says:

    Easy, Hillary would not have congratulated Putin on winning a sham election.

  113. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    “You, “CG”, Author, MD, jason, etc ”
    -Only Jason has shown any willingness to acknowledge the good Trump has done, while still maintaining several issues where he disagrees with Trump.

    – Mikey, where is your recognition that I was a cheerleader for Gorsuch? Shoots a hole in your stupidity so I guess that’s why we don’t hear about it.

  114. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    I was stuck at the Dr’s office yesterday while they had CNN on. They had a panel on and for twenty minuets they trashed Trump and his infidelity with porn stars.
    The members of that panel are the same types that laughed at Pence for not having meals with other females no his wife.
    CNN just like the rest of the MSM just hates Republicans. Period.

    – Phil, as much as you don’t want Trump and the porn star to matter, sex sells. And I suspect the ratings for 60 Minutes this week will set something close to a record.

    Trust me. If Obama had had an affair with a porn star and paid her hush money just days before the election, I’m quite certain you and this rest of this forum would be rightly upset with him.

  115. CG says:

    Also, the tariffs that Hillary said she would put in place would be less onerous than the ones that Trump is saying he will put in place.

  116. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    103 – didn’t mean to embarrass you, just point out to you how others here view you.

    – LOL. You think I’m embarrassed? I’m embarrassed for you.

    I liked it better when you were creating your alternate reality that Rubio was the nominee and you could never vote for Trump.

  117. Phil says:

    98

    “nor do I spend my time watching the evil deep state MSM” LOL No Robbie. You just link and quote them relentlessly. If we were to go back and cite each of links you have provided to MSM anti Trump stories or anti Trump tweets from left leaning sources over the last year it would fill pages and pages….but no, you don’t watch them. LOL

  118. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:00 pm
    “Whatever anyone thinks of Jeb Bush, why do people ignore the fact that during his Presidential campaign, he vocally spoke out against the Paris Accords and promised to withdraw from them?”
    -“Read my lips”? “Compassionate conservatism”?

    – Yet, NYCmike takes Trump at his word.

  119. CG says:

    Just imagine if Obama paid hush money to a porn star for having unprotected sex with her right after his fifth child was born to a third mother.

  120. CG says:

    NYC is unable to cite one thing that Jeb Bush did in eight years as Governor of Florida that they disagreed with.

    Neither can anyone else here, except Tina, who blamed him for 9/11 because some of the hijackers were able to get drivers licenses there.

  121. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:06 pm
    98
    “nor do I spend my time watching the evil deep state MSM” LOL No Robbie. You just link and quote them relentlessly. If we were to go back and cite each of links you have provided to MSM anti Trump stories or anti Trump tweets from left leaning sources over the last year it would fill pages and pages….but no, you don’t watch them. LOL

    – If you’re expecting me to link to Team Twitchy, The Federalist, or Gateway Pundit, you’re going to be disappointed. I link to news. Most here link to opinion that reinforces their preconceived beliefs.

  122. DW says:

    118 – of course I rooted for Rubio–I did all I could here to influence opinion. Just like you did for Jeb!

    But the 2016 primary election is over. I moved on. You have not.

  123. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:07 pm
    Just imagine if Obama paid hush money to a porn star for having unprotected sex with her right after his fifth child was born to a third mother.

    – The lack of integrity that has been on display in this forum has been surprising to me, especially after all of the tough talking that went on during the election.

    There’s an old saying. If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don’t have integrity, nothing else matters.

    My guess is Phil would be demanding Obama be impeached if he had an affair with a porn star and paid her hush money just days before the 2012 election.

  124. CG says:

    I stated that I would vote for any of the Republicans except for Trump. Even as I supported Jeb Bush, and explained why he was the best candidate in the field to be President, I consistently said I doubted he would be the nominee, and that I probably eventually be with Rubio.

    It’s just a ridiculous narrative, but you did not move on from the primary DW. You ignored reality and posted long, lengthy essays (just like your 1986 Game 6 story) in which there was an alternate universe and Rubio was the nominee. You made up polls for all 50 states pitting Rubio against Clinton up until November. Who wasn’t able to get over the primary, now?

  125. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    118 – of course I rooted for Rubio–I did all I could here to influence opinion. Just like you did for Jeb!
    But the 2016 primary election is over. I moved on. You have not.

    – You’re right. The same reasons I could not support Trump in the primary or general didn’t suddenly go away just because Trump won with a R after his name. Apparently, it was easy for you.

  126. CG says:

    Even worse than how they defend Trump on Stormy Daniels, is how they defend Roy Moore on underage girls.

  127. Robbie says:

    The only Republican I would not vote for in the 2016 primary was Trump. I would have voted for every other person, including Cruz whose style I despise.

  128. CG says:

    So, I asked a question last night that nobody answered.

    Let’s assume you lived in IL 3 and that Lipinksi (a lifelong Machine Democrat, who is liberal on economics and conservative on social issues)had lost to Marie Newman, a proud Bernie Sanders supporting quasi-socialist?

    What would you do on your ballot between Newman and Arthur Jones, the Illiois Nazi?

  129. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    116. “Trust me. If Obama had had an affair with a porn star and paid her hush money just days before the election, I’m quite certain you and this rest of this forum would be rightly upset with him.”

    Actually, considering how bland & nondescript Obama’s personality was, my opinion of him might have improved.

  130. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:13 pm
    Even worse than how they defend Trump on Stormy Daniels, is how they defend Roy Moore on underage girls.

    – According to NYCmike, the only way good ole Roy’s victims could have their stories heard was if Moore won. Even Jason fraud thought the story was an unfair hit. Of course, he would have felt differently if Moore had been a Democrat.

  131. CG says:

    Unlike about two dozen people here, I would have even voted for Rand Paul against Hillary.

    Never Trump though. Not even a question.

  132. DW says:

    127 – no, you are wrong. Trump’s lack of personal morals have not gone away. But he is the president of the United States. That is a fact that won’t be changed unless he resigns, or is defeated in 2020.

    When you don’t get what you want Robbie, you have to come to grips with it and move on, and not use your disappointment as a tool to destroy other areas of your life.

    With Trump I am glad he has not become a Pelosi lap dog. I am glad he led in getting the tax cut. I am glad he gave us Gorsuch and all the circuit court picks. He is still morally corrupt. Both can be true.

    Your fight against Trump can only be successful if the GOP suffers, and you don’t care. You need to move on and start looking at the wider canvas.

  133. Phil says:

    No you link to SLANTED news. Constantly. No bias in news stories out of the NYT or the Washington Post. Right? Straight down the middle. The highest journalistic standards with no agenda. Can’t be questioned. Yep CNN – good, Federalist – bad. We get it.

    Dan Rather was just reporting the news. Hard hitting journalism.

    Honestly, where you get your MSM presumption of absolute credibility I have no idea – after years of watching these guys operate you just lap it up without question. Baffling to me.

  134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    130. “So, I asked a question last night that nobody answered.”

    Seems to me a lot of Republican and independent voters acted decisively in the primary last night, and so there is no need to ask the question. You have your answer.

  135. CG says:

    DW says “the President is the President and that cannot be changed”

    Yet, during the Obama years, while he crazily suggested he feared imminent arrest for his religious beliefs, he also stated that he “threw away” his American flag and refused to recognize the flag or the anthem as long as Obama was President.

    But if an NFL player takes a knee…

  136. CG says:

    I still honor the American flag and the Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance no matter how horrible the current President is.

    I guess that might make me “sanctimonious.”

  137. DW says:

    I never threw away an American flag Corey. Never.

  138. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:19 pm
    No you link to SLANTED news. Constantly. No bias in news stories out of the NYT or the Washington Post. Right? Straight down the middle. The highest journalistic standards with no agenda. Can’t be questioned. Yep CNN – good, Federalist – bad. We get it.
    Dan Rather was just reporting the news. Hard hitting journalism.
    Honestly, where you get your MSM presumption of absolute credibility I have no idea – after years of watching these guys operate you just lap it up without question. Baffling to me.

    – Snore. You just don’t like news story that don’t conform to your preconceived views.

  139. CG says:

    Last night wasn’t a general election and not a lot of Republicans were likely to vote in the primary (although those that did might have made the difference)

    But who would the people here vote for in:

    A. Lipinksi (D) vs Jones (R)
    B. Newman (D) vs. Jones (R)

  140. Michael says:

    Just did a YouGov political survey gave the GOP a vote for the Congressional ballot. Maybe I’ll bring that Dem lead down to +5 for next week.

  141. CG says:

    What did you do to the flag then? You had some long story about how you could no longer recognize the flag.

  142. Michael says:

    141 probably Lipinski and then I would write-in someone such as myself at that point. Newman is far too liberal to receive my vote and I would never cast a vote for someone like Jones ever.

  143. DW says:

    And as for imminent arrest for religious beliefs…that is a reality a lot closer than many realize. Someone in a civilized western European country was recently arrested and fined over something dumb and derogatory said about women. It could happen in a heartbeat here in America if the wrong candidate and party got power that if you say something they don’t like about same-sex marriage or any host of other things that you will be facing fines and prison time.

  144. CG says:

    144. Then we agree.

  145. Robbie says:

    By the way, I love the fact Trump hired a lawyer (Joe DiGenova) who believes presidents can be indicted.

  146. CG says:

    145. So, if this means something to you, you shouldn’t act like a wounded snowflake on here whenever someone says something bad about Trump or links to something you don’t like.

  147. CG says:

    I enjoy the fact that the President has a Press Secretary who said not too long ago that if you are attacking the FBI, it means you are guilty of a crime.

  148. DW says:

    143 – I said something like I would never fly the flag while Obama was president because I would have to fly it upside down. I had a really nice flag too, but I ended up selling it at a yard sale as we were clearing out a lot things we weren’t using at the time. It was properly folded and cared for. I sold it to a vet. Had a nice chat with him too.

  149. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:28 pm
    I enjoy the fact that the President has a Press Secretary who said not too long ago that if you are attacking the FBI, it means you are guilty of a crime.

    – Now, now. You know that what Trump and his people say only counts in the moment they say it.

  150. CG says:

    So, as a political statement, you “sold” your flag.

  151. Robbie says:

    Trump raves that he went to the best schools and got the best marks.

    So why did his tweet this morning have FIVE typos in it before it was deleted?

  152. CG says:

    Secret message to Tina?

  153. DW says:

    148 – you can Robbie can say whatever you want. Just don’t blame others who post here for suspecting you are democrats trolling as concerned republicans.

    I am still probably the only one left here who thinks Robbie really is a Republican who is just bitter about Jeb and is willing to take down the GOP to get revenge. Others here just say he’s a Dem.

  154. Phil says:

    That’s it. Just like those bastard conservative bloggers tried to discredit Dan Rather. They just didn’t like the fact that his story didn’t conform to their preconceived views. How dare they!

    How dare anyone question a MSM source.

    Anyone who doesn’t lap up MSM story from CNN, the three networks, CNN just doesn’t like them because of “preconceived views” Everyone knows they are all beyond reproach. Why, – straight down the middle Chuck Todd said so.

  155. DW says:

    152 – no, it wasn’t a political statement as much as it was taking up space in a crowded garage and we weren’t using it.

  156. CG says:

    If anyone suspects that, they are dumb.

    Just like they would be for suspecting you were actually a member of ISIS just because you sold your American flag in protest.

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lipinski & Conor Lamb. The big blue waver certainly has a reddish tint to it.

  158. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    155. “I am still probably the only one left here who thinks Robbie really is a Republican who is just bitter about Jeb and is willing to take down the GOP to get revenge. Others here just say he’s a Dem.”

    You may well be.

    Robbie and his pal CG at least often keep each other company.

  159. Robbie says:

    DW says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:32 pm
    148 – you can Robbie can say whatever you want. Just don’t blame others who post here for suspecting you are democrats trolling as concerned republicans.
    I am still probably the only one left here who thinks Robbie really is a Republican who is just bitter about Jeb and is willing to take down the GOP to get revenge. Others here just say he’s a Dem.

    – I guess if I made 180 degree flip on Trump after he won, I would want to make others the issue as well.

    As for Jeb, he lost because he ran an awful campaign. I’ve written that repeatedly here. Even Jason fraud has admitted that. I haven’t thought twice about him since he quit the race, but some of you sure have.

    In retrospect, I wish Jeb would have dropped out in November 2015 and encouraged Romney to run.

  160. CG says:

    Romney would have fared just as well.

    In retrospect, nobody remotely “establishment” had a chance. Definitely not Rubio either.

    If it wasn’t Trump, it was going to be Cruz. At least our unpopular President would be a conservative.

  161. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    155. “I am still probably the only one left here who thinks Robbie really is a Republican who is just bitter about Jeb and is willing to take down the GOP to get revenge. Others here just say he’s a Dem.”
    You may well be.
    Robbie and his pal CG at least often keep each other company.

    – I always get such a kick out you attacking someone for not being loyal or supportive enough of Republicans when, I believe, you are not even a registered Republican.

    Unlike Jason fraud, who left the party over Trump but somehow demands the party support Trump, I have chosen to remain in the party in hopes of helping to drive off the Trumpist idiots who are wrecking it.

  162. Waingro says:

    Face palm.

    Donald J. Trump
    ?Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing…….

    Donald J. Trump
    ?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    39m39 minutes ago

    …..They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran and even the coming Arms Race. Bush tried to get along, but didn’t have the “smarts.” Obama and Clinton tried, but didn’t have the energy or chemistry (remember RESET). PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!

  163. CG says:

    Trump continues to be a complete disgrace in regards to Russia.

    Yet, his apologists here will defend him at all costs.

  164. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    Romney would have fared just as well.
    In retrospect, nobody remotely “establishment” had a chance. Definitely not Rubio either.
    If it wasn’t Trump, it was going to be Cruz. At least our unpopular President would be a conservative.

    – It’s a moot point, but I’m not so sure. Polling done in November 2015 showed if Romney got in the race, he would have beaten Trump by a 2-1 margin in New Hampshire.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/11/21/gop-voters-would-prefer-romney/WiU9f86jd19UkXYQfb2yxM/story.html

  165. Waingro says:

    #165, those tweets are cringe worthy.

  166. CG says:

    Even if Romney won NH, it wouldn’t have mattered.

    All ancient history now.

    What matters is what happens in 2020 and beyond and as long as Donald Trump is going to run as a Republican, the cult like appeal is too much, although there will be a credible primary alternative for those of us who want one.

    Then, it’s about supporting an Independent and hoping for lighting to strike against two horribly polarized major party nominees. You are probably going to have to put aside your qualms about Kasich then.

    Of course, Trump may already be gone and this is all moot.

  167. Robbie says:

    I don’t think Trump is under the hold of Putin in the way some do, but his continued desire to play patty cakes with Putin is weird. He wouldn’t even challenge Putin the nerve gas attack. By the way, Pat Buchanan doesn’t think Putin is responsible because, well, Buchanan has sadly proven to be an anti-Semitic idiotic with an attraction for dictators. Don’t forget, Buchanan wrote a book saying the US should not have fought the war against Germany.

  168. CG says:

    Putin has something on Trump. There’s really no other way to interpret it. Just my opinion.

  169. Robbie says:

    I’m really going to enjoy reading the posts at HHR in 2019 and 2020 telling me how I have to support an impeached Trump in the primary and the general election because party loyalty demands it.

  170. CG says:

    “Don’t forget, Buchanan wrote a book saying the US should not have fought the war against Germany.”

    Two weeks ago, I was accused of making up the historical context of the “America First” movement.

  171. Waingro says:

    “What matters is what happens in 2020 and beyond and as long as Donald Trump is going to run as a Republican, the cult like appeal is too much, although there will be a credible primary alternative for those of us who want one.”

    I doubt there will be a credible primary opponent. Whoever it is (Flake or whomever) will be on a suicide mission and will get crushed.

    “Then, it’s about supporting an Independent and hoping for lighting to strike against two horribly polarized major party nominees. You are probably going to have to put aside your qualms about Kasich then.”

    This is where I see — an albeit extremely small — opening.

  172. Waingro says:

    #171, Robbie: what kind of buffer in the House do you think Pelosi needs to realistically ram through impeachment? I don’t see votes for impeachment coming from Dems like Lamb.

  173. DW says:

    “– I guess if I made 180 degree flip on Trump after he won, I would want to make others the issue as well.”

    I don’t know of any one who did that in regards to Trump.

    I worried he would do the bidding of Pelosi and Schumer. I am glad I was wrong and he didn’t. That doesn’t mean I did a 180 flip on him, it means my fears were not realized. For which I am thankful.

  174. Phil says:

    I have said repeatedly that Trump is not running in 2020.

  175. Robbie says:

    But “muh will of the voters”!

    The Associated Press
    ?@AP

    BREAKING: Peru’s president offers resignation, citing unjustified attacks by opponents that made it impossible to govern.

  176. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:54 pm
    I have said repeatedly that Trump is not running in 2020.

    – In more normal times, yes. We don’t live in normal times. Trump’s ego will demand that he run. Winning in 2016 and defying the polls will only serve to embolden him and make his think he can do it again.

  177. CG says:

    So, they “get crushed.” There’s still a market.

    Things in politics can change in a hurry. Nothing is set in stone. After 2016, we should all realize that more than ever.

  178. CG says:

    176. From your fingers to G-d’s ear.

  179. Waingro says:

    #176, Phil: at this point, I hope you are right. Best case scenario is Mueller issues at best a slap on the wrist on Trump, Republicans narrowly win/lose the House, add a few Senate seats, and Trump doesn’t run for re-election but gives his full support to Pence as the most unifying GOP candidate possible for 2020.

    It would also help if Dems are stupid enough to run someone like Pocahontas.

  180. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 21, 2018 at 3:53 pm
    #171, Robbie: what kind of buffer in the House do you think Pelosi needs to realistically ram through impeachment? I don’t see votes for impeachment coming from Dems like Lamb.

    – Well, I’m of two minds on this. First, I could easily imagine Pelosi shutting down impeachment talk. It would be the politically smart thing to do. If they impeach Trump, maybe he doesn’t run. If they don’t impeach him, he runs and he’s probably easy to beat.

    On the other hand, can anyone be sure that in a year or 15 months there won’t be a sizable portion of Republican lawmakers ready to throw Trump overboard, especially if they lose the House and Mueller comes back with a report that crushes Trump? I’m not.

    Politicians react to polls and public sentiment. If the country turns on Trump, say approval around 30 or below, they may well decide better to get rid of him than me.

  181. Waingro says:

    #179, but what kind of “market”? Never Trumper anti-Trump absolutist Republican voters are a rapidly shrinking base.

    And many of the most prominent Never Trumpers seemed intent to vote for and support Democrats.

  182. CG says:

    Shrinking is debatable. It may be rising though one day.

    Regardless, it’s about conscience.

    I guess I don’t count as “prominent.”

  183. Phil says:

    181 – I’d be fine with that scenario. To win, however, I doubt Pence would make it unless he faced a Warren. Need another candidate other than Pence – even loon Harris would probably beat him.

    Trump doesn’t run and we nominate another candidate would be the ideal. I just don’t know who that candidate would be.

  184. Waingro says:

    #184, yeah I’m talking about former “Republicans” like Anna Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, and David Frum.

  185. CG says:

    I just know that on a smaller scale, back just maybe 8 months ago, the Illinois GOP sure looked like a fully owned entity of Bruce Rauner. He controlled the party in every way, shape, and form.

    Last night, 48% of the primary voters rejected him (and a lot of others, like me, thought strategically and held their nose to vote for him) A stronger opponent, or someone who gotten an earlier start, or who had just a bit more money, would have knocked him off for sure.

  186. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    March 21, 2018 at 4:02 pm
    #179, but what kind of “market”? Never Trumper anti-Trump absolutist Republican voters are a rapidly shrinking base.
    And many of the most prominent Never Trumpers seemed intent to vote for and support Democrats.

    – Here’s the question I have that is probably not answerable. How much of Trump’s support among Republicans is simply Republicans supporting a Republican? As we saw after 2006, Republicans just gave up on GWB. Could that happen again as Republicans who’ve held their noses stop holding their noses?

  187. Phil says:

    A Nikki Haley in 2020 would be a breath of fresh air.

  188. Waingro says:

    #185, I just don’t see anyone other than Pence gathering enough unifying support and votes in the direct wake of Trump.

    There will be SO many factions of angry righties that will be tough to please. MAGA’s especially will be better and probably stay home.

  189. NYCmike says:

    “Easy, Hillary would not have congratulated Putin on winning a sham election.”

    -How do you know this?

    The last 2 times Putin has won an election, the American President has congratulated him. Both of them, in my opinion, were wrong to do that.

    What makes you think Hillary would have refrained?

  190. Waingro says:

    #190, “bitter” not “better”.

  191. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    181 – I’d be fine with that scenario. To win, however, I doubt Pence would make it unless he faced a Warren. Need another candidate other than Pence – even loon Harris would probably beat him.

    – Not so sure I agree. I still believe the natural state of the country is center-right. If Pence ran, I think he’d have a good chance. In comparison to Trump, he look refreshingly boring and I think that is going to be an important factor in 2020.

  192. CG says:

    because Putin has gotten a lot worse, and a lot more brazen, and there is a lot more evidence of his crimes and treachery since then.

    This isn’t rocket science. Any American with a brain ought to realize that Putin is a very dangerous person who wants to harm America. Yet, Trump bends over backwards to kiss his ass. Disgraceful.

  193. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    March 21, 2018 at 4:06 pm
    I just know that on a smaller scale, back just maybe 8 months ago, the Illinois GOP sure looked like a fully owned entity of Bruce Rauner. He controlled the party in every way, shape, and form.
    Last night, 48% of the primary voters rejected him (and a lot of others, like me, thought strategically and held their nose to vote for him) A stronger opponent, or someone who gotten an earlier start, or who had just a bit more money, would have knocked him off for sure.

    – This. When things change, they change quickly.

  194. NYCmike says:

    In regards to Robbie and the “news” that he digests, while also belittling other, non-mainstream sources….he is the type of individual which looks down on someone like Drudge, while NEVER acknowledging that the mainstream media covers up MANY STORIES detrimental to Democrats.

    I will also note that while I do mock certain news outlets, I mock them because they claim to be OBJECTIVE, while they are so clearly NOT OBJECTIVE……again, something which Robbie does not admit.

  195. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Trump does not run in 2020, believe you will see Romney run.

    The Democrats have deep divisions, and can see a replay of 2016 between the Sanders and Hillary wings of the party. They do not have a candidate.

    Don’f forget that Bill Clinton has his highest popularity during the time of his impeachment.

  196. Robbie says:

    WHAT?!

    Ben Siegel
    @benyc

    EXCLUSIVE: Fired FBI official authorized criminal probe of Sessions, sources say – ABC News – http://abcn.ws/2puXIwt

  197. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    March 21, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    If Trump does not run in 2020, believe you will see Romney run.

    – I think you could be right.

  198. NYCmike says:

    “This isn’t rocket science. Any American with a brain ought to realize that Putin is a very dangerous person who wants to harm America. Yet, Trump bends over backwards to kiss his ass. Disgraceful.”

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a14532152/the-us-is-sending-deadly-javelin-missiles-to-ukraine/

    -This will be some heck of a “kiss”.

  199. CG says:

    I almost never link to anything here. I just give my own opinions, and I am not treated any “better” than Robbie, so I think the “mainstream media” thing as it relates to him is just an excuse.

  200. CG says:

    “If Trump does not run in 2020, believe you will see Romney run. ”

    Stop, I am in public!

  201. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It should be remembered that Trump was responsible fro killing over 100 Russians in an air attack in Syria. Obama used to attack Romney for his “cold warrior” attitude towards Putin, whom he promised to work with after his re-election.

  202. CG says:

    Then it should be considered even more suspicious how Trump’s rhetoric is at odds with the rest of his party and large portions of his own Administration.

  203. Waingro says:

    “If Trump does not run in 2020, believe you will see Romney run.”

    Very possible, but I personally don’t think he does well in a national Republican primary in the current environment.

  204. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here’s Obama caught on an open mic telling the president of Russia he would have “more flexibility” to deal with Putin after his re-election. Imagine if Trump did this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

  205. CG says:

    I don’t think Romney is going to run for President again, although it would make me happy.

    Either the party rides and dies with Trump in 2020, or Pence is already the incumbent by then or things go extremely sideways for him, and somebody seen as a complete break from Trump rises as the response. Ben Sasse, perhaps?

    If Trump has to leave in disgrace, and the party fears the damage he can leave via association, then Pence will have a very serious challenge as well, if he runs.

  206. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s rhetoric”

    HEH.

    Dubya was the most gentlemanly of persons, yet the media ripped a new one.

    Repeat: Check out how the media treated Pence when he said he would not eat alone with a woman without his wife present.

    YET, you want Trump to act “Presidential” as if the other side is honorable.

    Unfortunately, at times of great conflict, dirty deeds have to be done.

  207. CG says:

    Why is there some kind of assumption here that I am some sort of an Obama apologist?

    I doubt anyone in the United States of America wanted Mitt Romney to be President more than I.

    What Trump is saying now is even worse, because Russia has gotten worse and more brazen because of the incredibly weak Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign policy, and he is now being even more emboldened by Trump.

  208. CG says:

    Trump would have to act like a decent human being before we could ever hope for him to act “Presidential.”

    But I don’t think there is any hope of him ever changing.

  209. NYCmike says:

    “CG” and Robbie are the generals during WW II who kept stopping the advance, while Patton wanted to keep fighting.

    Same as during the Civil War. Grant, and Sherman, did what had to be done. It took a while for Lincoln to finally pick them, though….didn’t it?

  210. CG says:

    Your analogy makes no sense.

    The last time I was compared to someone in WWII it was when I was accused of being a Japanese soldier who didn’t know the war was over. (Robbie recanted though)

  211. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    164. @realDonaldTrump

    “I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing…….

    @realDonaldTrump

    …..They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran and even the coming Arms Race. Bush tried to get along, but didn’t have the “smarts.” Obama and Clinton tried, but didn’t have the energy or chemistry (remember RESET). PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!

    Have to agree, as Trump’s tweets go, these are among his most wacky.

  212. CG says:

    The new standard might be that Trump can do whatever he wants as long as “Obama did it too.”

  213. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    March 21, 2018 at 4:25 pm
    “CG” and Robbie are the generals during WW II who kept stopping the advance, while Patton wanted to keep fighting.
    Same as during the Civil War. Grant, and Sherman, did what had to be done. It took a while for Lincoln to finally pick them, though….didn’t it?

    – What are insanely stupid analogies for $1000, Alex.

    NYCmike, take the dunce cap off. It’s cutting off circulation to your head.

  214. NYCmike says:

    “Your analogy makes no sense.”

    -No, it does.

    You are timid, and are offended by the absence of the usual diplomatic, “Presidential” niceties which Trump CLEARLY LACKS AT TIMES.

    And, you refuse to mention when he does act “Presidential”.

  215. NYCmike says:

    “The new standard might be that Trump can do whatever he wants as long as “Obama did it too.””

    -No.

    It is usually a point of comparison to show how the media treats Republicans as compared to Democrats. The congrats to Putin is the latest example of such.

    I do judge Trump a success in that more and more people are questioning the news, as they should. AND, they are also questioning the powers of the intelligence agencies, as well as the administrative, UN-ELECTED part of the federal government.

  216. NYCmike says:

    “Have to agree, as Trump’s tweets go, these are among his most wacky.”

    -In what way?

    Every point he makes can be argued FOR or AGAINST, but they are NOT WACKY points.

  217. CG says:

    Yes, I’m timid enough to throw away over two decades of association with a political party over personal principle.

  218. CG says:

    Who cares how the “media treats” someone.

    What about right or wrong? What about being on the side of G-d, as G-d has blessed and guided America throughout our history? Yes, I am being “sanctimonious” again, but as an American, these things matter to me.

  219. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Frankly I think the world would be a better place if Trump and Putin were talking. Our European allies are not much help now in resisting Putin.

    The Germans are in the process of approving a pipeline from Russia to Germany, that would make them dependent on Russian gas. Both Poland and the U.S. oppose it. Also the low European defense budgets are ridiculous; they rely on us for defense, and will not pay their own way. Trump is correct to criticism this.

    In Syria, Trump has increased support for the Kurds, and we have several thousand Americans on the ground. They are fighting Assad’s forces, who have Russian troops aiding them.
    Trump is being more aggressive in the Mideast against Russian interests then Obama/Clinton were.

    Am not seeing anything Trump is doing as showing weakness towards Putin. If anything, he is stronger in standing up to them.

  220. NYCmike says:

    “Who cares how the “media treats” someone.”

    -Quick answers:

    Mitt Romney circa 2012?
    George Bush circa 1992?
    Bob Dole circa 1996?
    John McCain, AFTER he secured the Republican nomination in 2008?

  221. NYCmike says:

    Here is “CG” speaking about G-D.

    Do you think it was wrong for Churchill, FDR, and Truman to work with the Soviet Union during WW II?

    Stalin was a better person than Putin?

  222. CG says:

    You don’t congratulate a dictator on stealing on election. You don’t give validation to such a person. Putin is a man who is literally ordering the (brutal) deaths of men and women in multiple countries. He is only going to be doing more of it. He is literally trying to invalidate the votes of Americans in elections. It might be anti-Democrat one year and anti-Republican the next. It’s wrong in any case.

    He needs to be called out for what he is and America should be leading that call.

    Donald Trump has never said publicly or on Twitter one negative word about Putin personally, and it’s not like he’s a person who finds it hard to be critical.

  223. CG says:

    and the media was anti-Reagan too.

    The American people care (or should care) about the personal decency of the President.

    We were told by many under Bill Clinton, that such a thing did not matter, and now we are being told the same thing about Trump. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.

  224. NYCmike says:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/03/20/scandal-questions-never-asked-much-less-answered/

    -Robbie does not think VDH is competent enough. He is not employed by the correct networks.

  225. CG says:

    225. Who is Hitler in your analogy?

    Angela Merkel?
    Anderson Cooper?
    Andrew McCabe?

  226. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    219. I agree with him talking with Putin. But attacking Bush for not having “smarts” and also taking shots at Obama and Clinton at the same time? He needs to lay off the personal criticism of his predecessors when he is talking about important policy matters. This was not the time to be petty.

  227. CG says:

    History lesson:

    America would go on to spend decades and many millions of dollars and much blood and human lives to oppose Stalin and the advance of imperial Communism.

  228. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    So it would be better for Trump, as the President of the United States, to treat Putin as he would Rosie O’Donnell?

    I don’t agree with his personal actions at times, but I don’t think a President needs to be an agitator. Should he have congratulated Putin? I ALREADY SAID that I did not agree with him in doing that.

  229. NYCmike says:

    “America would go on to spend decades and many millions of dollars and much blood and human lives to oppose Stalin and the advance of imperial Communism.”

    -Maybe they should have been more willing to confront EVIL earlier than they did. It may have saved lives.

    G-D would have been for that, no?

  230. CG says:

    He should maybe forget about Rosie O’Donnell and listen to his advisors, including incoming Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,who will tell him that Putin is not his friend and never will be.

    And that he needs to get tougher with him, and also, if he has nothing to hide, he needs to cooperate fully with the Mueller investigation, which is completely validated as worthwhile on the indictments of the criminal Russian nationals alone.

  231. CG says:

    “Maybe they should have been more willing to confront EVIL earlier than they did. It may have saved lives.”

    That’s the point I am making now. Why in the world would we ever want to run the risk of letting Putin get anywhere near as powerful as Stalin? Why is Trump treating him as an equal?

  232. NYCmike says:

    “225. Who is Hitler in your analogy?”

    Does your G-D only care about the Jews?

    Didn’t Stalin and Mao kill millions more than Hitler?

    You are the one who brought G-D into the discussion. Does G-D NOT CARE about the dead in the Soviet Union and in China?

  233. mnw says:

    This is the troll thread. Wobbles & CG own it & seem to think we’re all fascinated by their grandiosity.

  234. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    226. Obama had no qualms about establishing relations with Cuba and Iran.

    The fact is that Trump has been more aggressive with Putin, as shown by our air attacks on Russian troops in Syrian. Poland is one of the east European countries most threatened by Putin, and is strongly supportive of Trump. By contrast Obama was seen as a pacifist who could not be depended upon.

  235. NYCmike says:

    “Why is Trump treating him as an equal?”

    -Again, you refuse to acknowledge where Trump has taken notice of the Russian threat, and fixate on a stupid congratulations, which is being blown out of proportion by the media.

  236. Wes says:

    GWB on Putin:

    I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.

    It’s amazing how Putin is a problem to both sides of the aisle just now 17 years later as Trump deals with him.

  237. CG says:

    236. Why would you even suggest that? I am not even sure what you are talking about or what it has to do with “Jews” at all.

    And are you merely trying to mock me for the way I type the word because you do not understand the religious and cultural reasons behind it?

    You shouldn’t find it too hard in NYC to find someone who can explain it to you.

  238. NYCmike says:

    “Why in the world would we ever want to run the risk of letting Putin get anywhere near as powerful as Stalin?”

    -What do you suggest Trump should do? Belittle Putin, and push him closer to China, Iran, and No Korea?

    That would be brilliant!

  239. CG says:

    Under the moral leadership and sacrifice of the United States, our country, with G-d’s guidance has seen all the odious ideologies of the 20th Century defeated and as Ronald Reagan said, “relegated to the ash heap of history.”

    That includes Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and Apartheidism.

    I hope to one day see Socialism and Trumpism on the ash heap as well.

  240. CG says:

    Putin is already in league with them in many regards. It’s a sign he is not a friend of the United States and he shouldn’t be holding any American President hostage by his whims.

  241. NYCmike says:

    Hitler was EVIL.
    Stalin was EVIL.
    Mao was EVIL.

    Yet, at one time, our country said it was correct to work with one of them, ignore another one, and fight the last.

    Is that what G-D, who you are using to invalidate Trump, wanted?

  242. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    234. “And that he needs to get tougher with him.”

    Trump is tougher than Obama and Clinton were with Putin. Obama, who was willing to be more “flexible” with him after his re-election, got taken advantage of by Putin.

    Despite a year’s investigation by Mueller, there is no evidence whatsoever of Russian collusion.

  243. NYCmike says:

    ” and he shouldn’t be holding any American President hostage by his whims.”

    -American missiles to Ukraine. Fighting forces in Syria.

    AGAIN, you refuse to acknowledge where Trump has pushed back, and fixate on issues raised in the press.

    And those issues raised by the press are very often backed up only by more words, not concrete actions. Foreign policy goings-on are usually not all that the media tells us. That is clear from both recent history, as well as over most of recorded history.

  244. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    243. “I hope to one day see Socialism and Trumpism on the ash heap as well.”

    Maybe Democratic Putin bogeymanism as well.

  245. NYCmike says:

    “Trumpism”

    -figment of your imagination.

    Jan 20, 2025 will prove that.

  246. CG says:

    In regards to “ignore”, that was quite a moral error, and FDR’s legacy should be held to account for his failure in that regard. Ultimately, that did not last.

    In regards to Stalin, FDR wasn’t kissing his ass in public or congratulating him on winning a sham election or deciding it was no big deal if Stalin would have tried to illegally intervene in an American election.

    Nobody in America was praising Mao as a “strong leader” either, except perhaps the Communist Party USA

  247. CG says:

    .In regards to “ignore”, that was quite a moral error, and FDR’s legacy should be held to account for his failure in that regard. Ultimately, that did not last.

    In regards to Stalin, FDR wasn’t kissing his ass in public or congratulating him on winning a sham election or deciding it was no big deal if Stalin would have tried to illegally intervene in an American election.

    Nobody in America was praising Mao as a “strong leader” either, except perhaps the Communist Party USA

  248. CG says:

    The Mueller investigation has already resulted in the guilty pleas of several Americans and the indictment of a dozen Russian agents. He needs to finish the job.

    And I think it is preposterous to suggest that Trump has been “tougher” on Russia personally than anybody.

  249. CG says:

    Trump personally has not “fired back” at anyone. He goes out of his way to praise Putin at the same time he goes out of his way to insult just about anybody else. Is that not curious?

    Rex Tillerson “pushed back” against Putin and was promptly fired.

  250. NYCmike says:

    “In regards to Stalin, FDR wasn’t kissing his ass in public or congratulating him on winning a sham election or deciding it was no big deal if Stalin would have tried to illegally intervene in an American election.”

    http://lalitkumar.in/blog/churchill-roosevelt-and-stalin-famous-photograph/

    No, didn’t kiss his ass.

    FDR and Churchill told Stalin to wait at the Yalta train station while the two of them determined what crumbs to give Stalin.

  251. CG says:

    Stalin was not killing people in broad daylight either like Putin is. The world has gotten a lot “smaller” so to speak since WWII and we know far more about what is going on in other countries.

    The idea that Putin can be some sort of “ally” for America’s interests, based on everything we know, is just ludicrous.

    GWB misread him when both were new in office. Obama was wrong when he shouldn’t have been, and as more and more time passes, Trump is even more wrong.

  252. Waingro says:

    “But attacking Bush for not having “smarts” and also taking shots at Obama and Clinton at the same time? He needs to lay off the personal criticism of his predecessors when he is talking about important policy matters. This was not the time to be petty.”

    Not to mention his idiotic inclusions of Ukraine and Syria into places where Russia can “help solve problems”.

  253. CG says:

    Another major difference is that unlike the Cold War era, Russia is not a “superpower” in any stretch of the word.

    We don’t need to acccomdate them in any sense. We are more powerful than them and as long as they mean us harm, we should never let them forget it.

    Instead, we have a President who goes on tv and excuses Putin by saying (falsely) “America does a lot of killing too.”

  254. CG says:

    I still don’t understand why NYC referenced “Jews” in regards to anything I have posted on this topic.

  255. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    252. “The Mueller investigation has already resulted in the guilty pleas of several Americans and the indictment of a dozen Russian agents. He needs to finish the job.

    And I think it is preposterous to suggest that Trump has been “tougher” on Russia personally than anybody.”

    Mueller has found no collusion. The Russians he indicted were workers at what amounts to a Russian call center. Why not indict the janitors too?

    Trump has been tougher towards Putin. He has attacked them in Syria, killing over 100. What did Hillary or Obama do? Nothing but total blunders, like in the Ukraine, or helping Russia’s allies in Cuba and Iran. Your Putin bogeyman fantasies don’t count.

  256. Tina says:

    Mccabe led investigation into sessions,

  257. Tina says:

    Mccarthy Mccabe did this after the drats in the judiciary committee asked him.

  258. CG says:

    This total of “100 Russians” would need to be backed up.

  259. Tina says:

    Why no indictment of hillary, steele, and the russian sources that fabricated the dossier?

  260. CG says:

    I think maybe you mean 100 Syrian regime fighters. Doubtful that all or many were Russian, but what’s the point of killing them if you are going to kiss the ass of the dictator of the country so publicly?

  261. Tina says:

    Steele is a foreigner who used his power to inflience an election.

  262. Tina says:

    Bush had no smarts.

    Blue up the exonomy and the me.

    Our jimmah carter but even worse maybe.

  263. Tina says:

    According to the sources, McCabe authorized the criminal inquiry after a top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, and then-Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., wrote a letter in March 2017 to the FBI urging agents to investigate “all contacts” Sessions may have had with Russians, and “whether any laws were broken in the course of those contacts or in any subsequent discussion of whether they occurred.”

    This looks bad for mccabe.

    He still has the criminal investigations, including ine to be the quid pro quo with her thighness

  264. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    256. “Not to mention his idiotic inclusions of Ukraine and Syria into places where Russia can “help solve problems”.”

    I agree with Trump on that statement. When the Ukraine crisis began many years ago, we should have immediately worked with Putin to try and negotiate a settlement. Instead Obama/Hillary thought they could, in effect, pull one over on Putin and establish a government in Ukraine without any discussion. Putin struck back, and basically won — getting the Crimea and a separatist movement the eastern Ukraine.

    Ukraine is a badly divided country, the east is pro-Russian and the west pro-European. It needed sensitive negotiations to start immediately. The way Obama/Clinton handled the Ukraine was one of the worst U.s. foreign policy failures since WWII.

    The Syrian crisis was another Obama/Clinton failure. Remember when Obama drew the line in the sand, and then backed off? It showed the world how weak a leader he was.

    Both the U.s. and Russia still have nuclear weapons, and need to be talking.

  265. Tina says:

    CoC speaker, pablo ryano has agreed to the largest porkulous bill ever.

    What a pos.

  266. Tina says:

    “President Obama called Russian President-elect and Prime Minister Putin to congratulate him on his recent victory in the Russian Presidential election,” according to the official summary, or “readout” of the call.

    International observers had also raised doubts about the legitimacy of Putin’s 2012 win. Obama’s own State Department, while congratulatory, noted concerns about “the conditions under which the campaign was conducted, the partisan use of government resources and procedural irregularities on election day.”

    In 2008, President George W. Bush called Dmitry Medvedev following his successful presidential bid. But one account of their phone call said Bush “appeared to stop short of offering the customary White House congratulations to the president-elect.”

    Revisionist for mute 43 who had pooty poot at the ranch.

  267. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    262. “CG says:March 21, 2018 at 5:20 pm
    This total of “100 Russians” would need to be backed up.”

    Here is report from Vox, a leftist news source.

    If you don’t know about this, don’t think your informed enough to make a judgment about Trump’s foreign policy or relations with the Russians. But don’t let the facts stop you.

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/2/13/17008446/us-troops-syria-russia-mercenaries-killed

  268. Tina says:

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  269. Tina says:

    It is the first contact between us, russian forces since the cold war.

    It did not end well for the rooskies.

    I am sure schiff, the russian stooge, was not happy.

  270. CG says:

    So, both the U.S. Trump government and the Russian Putin government dispute that, but you are taking the word of the New York Times.

    Interesting.

    I don’t know what it’s supposed to prove though. We were right to drop those bombs in Syria and Trump is wrong to drag his foot on Russian sanctions or to kiss up to Putin personally.

  271. Tina says:

    “President Obama called Russian President-elect and Prime Minister Putin to congratulate him on his recent victory in the Russian Presidential election,” according to the official summary, or “readout” of the call.

    Did mccain and the war mongers make statements in 2012?

    No.

  272. Tina says:

    I think that was months before obama said let me get through the election, and I have more flexibility.

  273. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    255. “Stalin was not killing people in broad daylight either like Putin is.”

    Is this a serious comment? Stalin slaughtered millions of people. He was a butcher. FDR & Churchill knew it, but they had to deal with him to win the war.

  274. CG says:

    If Russians were killed in Syria, is he trying to make it up to Putin now?

    Previously, he said that even though every single agency in the U.S. government, led by Trump appointees confirm as fact that Russia attempted to interfere in the U.S. election, it was wrong to talk about it because it made Putin mad and that he believes Putin means it when he says he didn’t do it.

    Yeah, he’s really being “tough.”

  275. CG says:

    We don’t have to “deal with Putin” to improve anything. Putin is a problem in and of himself.

  276. Tina says:

    Sdc, the 100 figure is low. I have read report as a few hundred.

  277. Tina says:

    senior U.S. general appears to have confirmed that hundreds of Russians fought – and died – in a major battle against American forces and their local counterparts in Syria. More importantly, U.S. Army Brigadier General Jonathan Braga, director of operations for the main U.S. military task force in charge of operations in Iraq and Syria, said he feared the situation could have escalated into an all-out conflict with Russia, something we at The War Zone have warned repeatedly is becoming a worryingly realistic possibility.

  278. Tina says:

    Richard engel interciewed braga btw.

    There have been reports that two to three hundred of the Russian force was killed. Is that accurate?” Engel asked him in the interview. “We’ve seen that in open reports as well and that’s I would say close to our estimates as well,” Braga responded.

    Close to our estimates….

  279. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    280. “Sdc, the 100 figure is low. I have read report as a few hundred.”

    Tina, agree. Your right, it was probably a lot higher.

  280. Tina says:

    No worries, there is a wide number range out there.

    It happened.

    There s no if about it.

  281. gameboy says:

    255. “Stalin was not killing people in broad daylight either like Putin is.” What a f**king stupid thing to say. You should take some history classes. Stalin starved and murdered, many in cold blood, 23 million of his own citizens. Stalin rivals Hitler for being the most despicable human being to ever live. Putin is a choir boy compared to Stalin for crying out loud.

  282. CG says:

    “murdering people in broad daylight in other countries” it should say.

    The Putin Apologist Train rolls on.

  283. Tina says:

    Yup, obama and hillary were the train conductors.

  284. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    286. “murdering people in broad daylight in other countries” it should say.”

    So murdering tens of millions of people in his own country does not count in comparing Stalin to Putin?

    All we are doing is providing you with actual facts. Sorry if we are interfering with your bogeyman fantasies.

  285. Tina says:

    When it comes to the russian hoax, actual facts do not matter

  286. Tina says:

    Mccabes investigation of sessions is simikar to sjw and flynn.

    Clearly the fbi was weaponized.

  287. Waingro says:

    #268, I don’t disagree that Barry/Hillary were failures in those events, but I think assuming Putin would play nice and be “helpful” when it comes to Ukraine and Syria is at best, gullible, and, at worst, ignorant.

  288. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    A little thing: Trump speaks of “President Putin,” and then of “Obama” and “Bush” and “Clinton.” Putin gets the honorific; the American presidents don’t. (link: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/976532956557737984) twitter.com/realdonaldtrum…

    The socialist on the lido deck has tweeted his “concern”.

  289. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Russia is vulnerable due to almost 70% of its export earnings coming from oil and natural gas.

    Reagan brilliantly helped cause the collapse of the Soviet Union working with the Saudis to cause oil prices to fall so low that it squeezed the Russian economy. Meanwhile he built up the U.S. military, which the Russians did not have the funds to match. It all came crashing down for Russia in the 1990s.

    Trump appears to be up to the same no good regarding the Russians, working with the Saudis again. The U.S. is now exporting a massive amount of LNG, a lot of it to to Europe. The first shipment of LNG from Cove Point, Maryland arrived in England. Poland, Lithuania and other countries are replacing their Russian gas with U.S and Arab gas. Even Germany is headed that way, building LNG terminals. Hopefully they drop the idea of a Russian pipeline. The Ukraine just bought gas from Qatar; they were getting it sole from Russia.

    The East European countries are becoming Trump supporters for a reason — initially they had grave doubts because of his campaign rhetoric.

    I have a lot more confidence in Trump talking to Putin than I did Obama. Will give Hillary a pass, as don’t believe she agree with Obama’s pacifism, and would have been tougher.

  290. janz says:

    Peter Schweizer’s book, Secret Empire is hitting the print and TV circuits.  If what his investigations yielded are true, the amount of corruption in the Obama administration is simply mind-boggling.

    While Schweizer dishes on republican greed, the primary impact (for me) was Obama’s wanton disregard for the law or the limits of his own power.  Throw in Biden and Kerry’s personal fiscal opportunistic relationship with China, especially when China was busily building out the south sea islands for China’s military advantage (with no interruption for 8 years), and it makes you want to barf.  The fact that major foreign deals were made that were so costly to this country, including “smash and grab” shenanigans created under Obama’s regulatory pen, were being openly orchestrated without any journalistic curiosity or investigations by the MSM, is obscene. Furthermore, when weighing the severity of the Obama Administration’s corruption with the shabby decades-old womanizing Trump engaged in, it all seems so trite.

    As for Russia and Trump — this president, for all of the rhetorical gratuities thrown at Russia, the impact of his administrative actions have been far more significant and punitive than anything enacted by prior administrations. The arming of Ukranians, more aggressive Syrian policies, tougher sanctions, and cutting into Russia’s oil business by upping our exploration and production here, have been far more pointed and damaging to Russia than the lip service that McCain, the dems and so many here are whimpering for.       

  291. janz says:

    Bill Kristol, like so many of the sanctimonious republican old guard, are an embarrassment with commentary that enlarges the trivia while ignoring long range thinking and strategies that are outside the box of politically correct or consensus protocols.

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt got 8 inches last night and 6 inches today.

    Is Tgca jealous?

    Zing!

  293. janz says:

    Will give Hillary a pass, as don’t believe she agree with Obama’s pacifism, and would have been tougher.

    I disagree. HRC would have followed lockstep with how Obama governed. She is a hollow woman, whose only desire was to enlarge her own image, get richer, and step on anyone who got in her way. She may have differed at one time with Obama on his foreign policy “pacifism,” but had she won in 2016, she would have taken the path of least resistance and kept the US in restrains so as not to rock the boat.

  294. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump should not have congratulated Putin on his bs landslide. He should have made a joke about it. “Instead of investigating Putin’s alleged interference in the US election, Mueller should investigate Putin’s interference in the Russian election.”

  295. janz says:

    I don’t care how Trump talks to Putin. What’s more important is how he acts with him. Does he cave, pander, or does he hold his own and continue putting this country’s interests ahead of Russia’s.

    So far, there has been no indication Trump has done either of the former. In fact, he may be disarming Putin more by not excoriating him, but rather being “nice,” while wringing his neck when it comes to enacting more muscular foreign policy

  296. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    294. “The arming of Ukranians,”

    Thanks Janz, I forgot to mention that. Trump is finally giving the Ukrainians the weapons they need; Obama and Merkel had been resistant for some reason. Add to that the Ukraine is now getting Arab (and soon probably U.S.) gas in place of Russian gas, and things are not going well for Putin.

    But the press decides to go into a rage over Trump calling Putin; they just want to throw as much slop at him as possible.

  297. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no “disarming” Putin. He becomes bolder and more dangerous every year.

  298. Tina says:

    There is no quick solution with pooy poot. Bush and Obumbler coddled him. However,i am shocked that the goober wing wants a shooting war.

  299. Tina says:

    Will give Hillary a pass, as don’t believe she agree with Obama’s pacifism, and would have been tougher.

    Who wrote this?

    Russian reset,

    Bj and his 500000 per speech in Russia.

    She has a record of doing nothing on Russia.

    She would be wetting herself dealing with them.

  300. Tina says:

    ter told Fox News that the practice of the FBI briefing Congress about open investigations, a practice begun by former director James Comey, had been “heavily curtailed.”

    Thank goodness this has been curtailed. Congress should know the same as us.

  301. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    What’s the Difference Between Putin and God? God Doesn’t Think He’s Putin

  302. janz says:

    So, how does scolding Putin make him less bolder and less dangerous, bitter?

  303. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those of you who are unaware, the Russians have poured millions of dollars into U.S. environmental groups.

    “Foreign Firm Funding U.S. Green Groups Tied to State-Owned Russian Oil Company

    Executives at a Bermudan firm funneling money to U.S. environmentalists run investment funds with Russian tycoons.”

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/foreign-firm-funding-u-s-green-groups-tied-to-state-owned-russian-oil-company/

    About 70% of Putin’s export income is from oil and gas. It is the main source of his funding.
    When Trump talks of U.S. “Energy Dominance” its a direct threat to Putin’s existence.

  304. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The irony is that if Mueller was investigating certain environmental groups, he would find massive collusion with the Russians from day one of his investigation.

  305. janz says:

    What is that old saying about keeping your friends close,and your enemies closer….? By at least having an open door with Putin, not being cloying, but not being off-putting either to satisfy consensus politicians like McCain, there’s more to be diplomatically gained. IMO, Trump will slam Putin when it serves a given moment to do so.

  306. janz says:

    Mueller, IMO, is not really looking for genuine wrong doing, but only for anything to humiliate, indict, hound, and/or impeach Trump so he is ruined and chased out of office. After all, the mother’s milk of Dem strategy to regain power is reputation assassination of their political opponents.

  307. Bitterlaw says:

    So, how does scolding Putin make him less bolder and less dangerous, bitter?

    I said to not praise Putin for his bs election. Trump should call Putin and say, “Vlad. Here’s the deal. My military can bitch slap your military anywhere in the world. Anywhere. We don’t want that, right? I will let you pretend to be relevant but you have to stop poisoning people around the world. Got it?”

  308. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump will slam Putin when it serves a given moment to do so.

    Still waiting for that one but hope springs eternal.

  309. Tgca says:

    296

    I did not realize Walt was hanging out with Bitter today. Who was Walt hanging with last night?

  310. janz says:

    Bitter, so you think Trump, applying that kind of language, will make Putin quiver and stop acting like a thug? Hmmm, ruthless KGB guy softens under a trump rhetorical slap. Hope springs eternal on that one, too, bitter.

  311. MichiganGuy says:

    Man, I missed a Robbie vs. DW fight. Darn it! As far as DW’s poll goes I would definitely, pick:
    2) Robbie cares mostly about the fact that Jeb! was defeated in 2016 and his sour grapes is expressed by all his doom and gloom and desire to see Republicans lose so he can say ‘see I told you so’ in regards to Jeb’s rejection. Although, I think Robbie could be right about Republicans losing the House. Especially, with this massive spending deal that is going to raise the debt. This omnibus bill doesn’t cut funding for sanctuary cities; no funding for the wall only $1.6 billion for border fence. No money to be used toward detention beds for undocumented immigrants or to hire new deportation agents. Meanwhile, Chucky Schumer gets what he wants: $500 million available for Gateway; a tunnel project between New York and New Jersey. The project can also apply for billions more which I’m sure they will. Senator Paul report to the filibuster podium.

  312. Bitterlaw says:

    The best way for Trump to dispel the notion that he is Putin’s puppet is to congratulate him on rigging an election? Got it.

  313. Bitterlaw says:

    MG. – Ssshhhhhh. You are ruining NYC’s “Trump is conservative” groove.

    NYC to waterboard logic by saying “Even if Trump proposes a massive gift to Democrats and unions for infrastructure spending, it can never be used against him because Congress would have to approve it. In other words, Trump’s idea is not his fault.” in 3…2…1…

  314. Messy57 says:

    294. that is a novel. so was clinton cash

  315. janz says:

    I have personally not “liked” Trump’s demeanor, his bravado, caustic tweets, media jeers, etc.

    However, as president, Trump has openly expressed candid opinions, followed-thru on many promises, has created a transparent WH accessible to myriad groups of common citizens, reduced stifling regulations, broadened the economy, infused the business community with enthusiasm, is confronting global inequities including unequal NATO contributions, global warming bs, and outdated trade policies, some in place since the second WW.

    These are no small endeavors, none of which would have seen the light of day in a Clinton administration. So, with a glass half full mentality, I am not going to continuously scorch him by highlighting his personality, moral deficits with such largess that might undercut what good he has done for the country. That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of rationale.

  316. Bitterlaw says:

    I wake up every day with two thoughts. I regret that Trump is President. I am thrilled that Hillary is not President. Both can be true.

  317. janz says:

    I don’t think Trump gives a rats a** about dispelling any notions others might have of him. He talks to and about his global peers in ways he thinks will be the most useful to him and his purpose/goals.

    So far, he hasn’t been that off target in dealing with sensitive subjects (Asian problems) and difficult leaders. Some of his foreign speeches have been hard-hitting, but right on the money regarding problems no other leader wanted to talk about. He does that with domestic topics, too, such as immigration, school choice, worker inequities, gender/racial bias and so on. He rattles everybody, and gets everything out into the open.

  318. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m glad you are a fan, Janz. I just endure him and try to stay indifferent. Wanting him to beat Hillary and wanting him to be President are not the same thing. I voted for him so I am stuck with him.

  319. janz says:

    There is an earthquake everyday under a Trump presidency. It’s disquieting and oftentimes upsetting. But, in the long run, I think he was the right man for the times we are in — the only one who had the intestinal fortitude to try to turn the country back and away from where social progressive policies were rapidly taking us. With that said, I don’t know whether he will ultimately be successful. If impeached, any progress will most probably be reversed.

  320. janz says:

    As I have often said, bitter, including today, I don’t particularly like the man, but see beyond his divisive cracks as to some of the positive aspects of his presidency. Consequently, I appreciate the good peculating up around his short time in office, and have expressed that here amidst all the Robbie nonsense.

  321. Hugh says:

    324. I’m in the bitter camp. Trump is an embarrassment. It’s anshamenhis policies are good. He seems to get more unhinged by the day. But I’d vote for him againnover the alternatives.

  322. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump IS a social progressive. He supported partial birth abortion for years. He supported gay marriage before it was legal. He donated money to the biggest liberals in the Senate. He treats the institution of marriage worse than Wes.

  323. Hugh says:

    A shame

  324. MichiganGuy says:

    * Breaking News *
    .
    Pennsylvania GOP Moves To Impeach Supreme Court Democrats For Gerrymandering Ruling.
    .
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-republicans-move-to-impeach-supreme-court-democrats-for-gerrymandering-ruling_us_5ab16875e4b0decad044dee0

  325. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 21, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    “He treats the institution of marriage worse than Wes.”
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    BL, you crossed the line on that one. No one treats the institution of marriage worse than Wes. Not even Bill Clinton. 😉

  326. Bitterlaw says:

    Good point, MG.

  327. MichiganGuy says:

    * Breaking News *
    .
    Rick Saccone finally concedes Pennsylvania special election
    .
    https://nypost.com/2018/03/21/rick-saccone-finally-concedes-pennsylvania-special-election/

  328. Tina says:

    The jebots got the arse kicked the last two days.

    First, hinkley.

    Today on Russia. Jebot 2claimed that our forces did not take out any russians in syria.

    They are embarrasments.

  329. Tina says:

    When obama co fratuiated pooty poot, rs said nothing here at this blog.

    You cannot have one standard for obama, another standard for trump.

    Pooty poot is either bad or good.

    Do the jebot losahs want war with russia?

  330. Tina says:

    Trump at the rnc meeting daid republicans need to move further right,

    Not with the ben asses, eyano, mccain, goober, etc.

  331. MichiganGuy says:

    Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) proposed building a border wall between California and Arizona to protect the state.
    .
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/379460-gop-lawmaker-we-might-need-to-build-a-wall-between-california-and-arizona
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    McSally starting to act as nutty as Arpaio and Ward.

  332. MichiganGuy says:

    2018 National House Race
    .
    “If the election were today, would you want to see the Republican Party or the Democratic Party win control of the United States House of Representatives?”
    .

    3/16-20/18
    Republicans 43% -6
    Democrats 49
    .
    3/3-5/18
    Republicans 38% -10
    Democrats 48%
    .
    Quinnipiac University Poll
    .
    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2529
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Republicans up by 5% since their last poll. Overall they improved from being down 10% to just 6% in just 2 weeks. Nice! Although, generic polls 7 months out before election day aren’t worth a whole lot. Except maybe for moral purposes and fundraising.

  333. Tina says:

    Trumps standing a omg women up 6 points post muh stormy.

    Looks like jebots are embarassed again

  334. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    337. “Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) proposed building a border wall between California and Arizona to protect the state.
    .
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/379460-gop-lawmaker-we-might-need-to-build-a-wall-between-california-and-arizona
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    McSally starting to act as nutty as Arpaio and Ward.”

    She is not being nutty, she made a good point — and did so with a smile. It is California that is being nutty.

    “Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) proposed building a border wall between California and Arizona to protect the state.

    “As we look in Arizona, we often look into the dangers of the southern border,” McSally said during a round-table discussion about “sanctuary cities” Tuesday at the White House.

    Sanctuary cities are municipalities that do not cooperate with federal immigration enforcement.

    “But if these dangerous policies continue out of California, we might need to build a wall between California and Arizona as well to keep these dangerous criminals out of our state,” she said, smiling.

    She added that California can’t just “provide sanctuary for these criminals and think that it’s only impacting California dangerously.”

  335. janz says:

    FYI some CA cities are starting to break rank with Brown’s sanctuary city policy. In fact Orange County may entirely go rogue and not follow state sanctuary city mandates.

    Also, in one of the latest polls for governor, one of the R candidates (Cox) is running second to the most favored dem candidate. This means Californians may actually have a choice from both parties, come November, something that is now unique in this one-party state. In my dreams it would be nice if enough disgruntled Californians turned on the dems and voted for a republican governor, in order to change things around.

  336. Tina says:

    I think the train to nowhere, the stupiduty if moinbeam, and the large gas tax increase may further improve our side in the ca governor race.

  337. MichiganGuy says:

    SanDiegoCitizen, just because cali is nutty doesn’t make McSally any less nutty. Building a wall between Cali and Arizona will accomplish nothing. Illegals can go around the wall by way of Nevada and than Arizona. lol

  338. MichiganGuy says:

    janz, even if by some miracle Cox won; it wouldn’t change anything. Democrats would still control the state legislature. Did Pete Wilson or Arnold Schwarzenegger make any difference?

  339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    343. “SanDiegoCitizen, just because cali is nutty doesn’t make McSally any less nutty.”

    The Hill article said she was smiling when saying it; she was being humorous, but at the same time making a point. It has become a common joke in California; in disputes between neighboring communities someone will often blurt out “were going to build a wall.”

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, I think the wall idea is a little wacky. There already is an existing wall along the California border from the Pacific Ocean along most the border of California. Illegals go over it, through it, and under it all the time.

    Also, the fact is the Mexican work force that comes over on a daily basis is critical to the San Diego economy. They work hard, are pleasant people, and have great cuisine – they are assimilating into American society. At least half the couples I know are mixed, Anglo-Hispanic or Anglo-Asian. Its no big deal. Compare this with some of the immigrant groups that Europe is experiencing, who are not interested in assimilation.

  341. MichiganGuy says:

    California Governor – Open
    Primary:
    .

    Newsom (D) 28%
    Cox (R) 14%
    Villaraigosa (D) 12%
    Allen (R) 10%
    Chiang (D) 6%
    Eastin (D) 5%
    Other/Undecided 25%
    .
    California Senate – Open Primary:
    .
    Feinstein (D) 42%
    de Leon (D) 16%
    Other/Undecided 41%
    .
    Public Policy Institute of California
    .
    http://www.ppic.org/press-release/newsom-solidifies-lead-cox-gains-ground-feinstein-maintains-edge-de-leon/

  342. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This week’s Reuters/Ipsos’ Tracking Poll shows a lot of positive movement toward The Donald’s Approval Rating(44%) and the Republicans in the Congressional Generic Ballot(D+3).
    There appears to be two reasons why: (1) the PID has gone from double digits to D+3 and (2) the pollster is now using a Registered Voter screen instead of an “Every Adult” one.

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2018-03/2018_reuters_tracking_-_core_political_03_21_2018.pdf

  343. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – You are not allowed to say that the Mexicans who come to work in San Diego every day are hardworking and pleasant. It does not fit the HHR script. Please refer to them uniformly as invaders or criminals.

  344. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy West Virginia Day to Walt and Cash Cow!

  345. JC says:

    Heh.

    @realDonaldTrump
    Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. He doesn’t know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. Don’t threaten people Joe!

    I look forward to watching the same media that cheered a sitting VP saying he would kick a political opponent’s @ss now all of a sudden finding Trump’s far more tame tweet outrageously outrageous!

  346. Redmen4ever says:

    Since the release of the Q and YouGov polls (showing Ds plus 6 in the generic congressional), we’ve had: Morning Consult (Ds plus 4), Ipsos (Ds plus 3) and McClaughlin (Ds plus 1). These are not wave election numbers.

    The fundamentals look good for the incumbent party: The economy is strong, the leading indicators point up, and consumer and business confidence are at historic highs.

    Finally I will mention that the refocus of the media from Russia collusion to Stormy Daniels is an admission that there’s no evidence of Russia collusion. You have to read the media the way you used to read Pravda. When Pravda ran an article saying too much bread causes cancer, that revealed that the wheat crop failed.

  347. DW says:

    Here is some news Republican Robbie will rejoice over:

    IPSOS/Reuter Generic Congressional Ballot:

    Dems 40
    GOP 37

    Gap +3

    Their prior poll was a gap of +8 for Dems.

  348. jason says:

    Trump at the rnc meeting daid republicans need to move further right,”

    I can’t think of ONE congressman or senator that is to the left of Trump. Not one.

  349. DW says:

    whoops…sheeple beat me to it. Anyway, will be nice to see Robbie arrive later this morning and cheer this great news for the GOP.

  350. jason says:

    Ok, Rand Paul and Justin Amash.

    Two.

  351. Wobbles says:

    Those numbers will drop with the blockbuster Stormy interview.

    It’s shameful Trump had an affair with a low life porn star hooker, I mean this woman is the worst of the worst, just disgusting.

    I believe every word she says.

  352. Wobbles says:

    I just hate pedophiles like Roy Moore.

    The only fine upstanding citizen pedophile I admire is Mueller’s witness that just fled the country.

  353. Chicon says:

    Why do you guys focus on the totally irrelevant congressional generic ballot polls? Robbie has explained many times that the only thing that matters is the President’s JA number. He says to “trust” him that CGB polls mean nothing.

  354. Chicon says:

    Robbie hates the House Freedom Caucus.

    Robbie hates Trump.

    Who will he back on the spending bill? Trump supports it, and the HFC hates it.

    I say he picks the HFC side.

  355. Chicon says:

    On DW’s poll yesterday…..#2. #3 is tempting because of the rarity (absence) of positive comments about anything Republican.

  356. DW says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/nifla-becerra-california-abortion-extremism/

    Important read on how close we are in this country to the loss of freedom of speech. Hopefully this case will go the right way in the SCOTUS–as indicated by the fact that Justice Kennedy’s question in the article seems to read like he is going against California.

  357. JC says:

    Ras at 47%

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Is Rand Paul right, left or just Rand Paul?

  359. MichiganGuy says:

    Cleveland.com interviewed the Republican candidates running for Ohio Senate.If you want to know more about them click the link below.
    .
    http://www.cleveland.com/politics/

  360. Bitterlaw says:

    What is the appeal of a p0rn star? Too many prior partners.

  361. Chicon says:

    Bitter, hard to tell, imo. That’s not good. I’d rather have consistency.

  362. Chicon says:

    367 – the belief/fantasy that one could land her, given that she’ll take most anyone. In other words, she’s easy, maybe I have a shot.

    Why Trump would want one? Not a clue…..

  363. Bitterlaw says:

    Stormy is worn down. Billionaires should have higher standards.

  364. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Drudge Report headlines have frequently become unreadable, redundant and annoying. Agree or disagree?

  365. Michael says:

    Trump’s Approvals have shifted +3.9 since March 7th, within 15 days he’s gone from -15.5 to -11.6. If he keeps up what he is doing maybe… just maybe… he could get it under double digits before April.

    Some great news for the GOP though is that they have seen a trend in their favor on the GCB recently as seen on RCP. They are up to 40% on the average. A D+7 electorate currently, but far better than the D+10 average we were looking at. If they keep it up we could also see it drop down to D+4-5 which probably means that the House GOP stays in the majority.

  366. Bitterlaw says:

    Michael – How is Philadelphia treating you? There are a lot of Penn State alumni around you. You won’t be lonely.

  367. mnw says:

    MG

    Thx for all the polls.

    Dave ought to take you out to dinner! I think you probably attract extra traffic.

    RAS 47 again today; don’t know if previously posted.

    RAS also sez that voters are increasingly skeptical about the fairness of Mueller’s investigation but don’t think he should be fired.*

    *yet

  368. Waingro says:

    Good poll numbers today fro the GOP. And I see the “non partisan” prognosticators on Twitter are all of a sudden starting to play down CGB numbers.

    Just a few weeks ago when there were a few absurd D+15/16 CGB’s etc. it was “DOOOOM!” from those very same “non partisans”.

  369. Tina says:

    Nu thread.

  370. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw, thanks for the recognition. I appreciate it.

  371. MichiganGuy says:

    Today it is time for a long-overdue House update. Here is this cycle’s new Big Board:
    Likely D Lean D Tossup Lean R Likely R
    AZ-9 (OPEN)
    CA-7 (Bera)
    CA-24 (Carbajal)
    CA-26 (Brownley)
    FL-13 (Crist)
    FL-27 (OPEN)
    IA-2 (Loebsack)
    KY-3 (Yarmuth)
    MD-6 (OPEN)
    NH-2 (Kuster)
    NY-3 (Suozzi)
    NY-18 (S. Maloney)
    NY-25 (VACANT)
    WI-3 (Kind) AZ-1 (O’Halleran)
    AZ-2 (OPEN)
    FL-7 (Murphy)
    MN-7 (Peterson)
    NJ-2 (OPEN)
    NJ-5 (Gottheimer)
    PA-8 (Cartwright) CA-25 (Knight)
    CA-39 (Royce)
    CA-45 (Walters)
    CA-48 (Rohrabacher)
    CA-49 (OPEN)
    CO-6 (Coffman)
    FL-26 (Curbelo)
    MI-11 (OPEN)
    MN-1 (OPEN)
    MN-8 (OPEN)
    MN-2 (Lewis)
    NE-2 (Bacon)
    NH-1 (OPEN)
    NJ-11 (OPEN)
    NY-22 (Tenney)
    NV-3 (OPEN)
    NV-4 (OPEN)
    PA-6 (Costello)
    PA-7 (OPEN)
    PA-17 (Rothfus/Lamb)
    TX-23 (Hurd)
    VA-10 (Comstock)
    WA-8 (OPEN) CA-10 (Denham)
    CA-21 (Valadao)
    IL-6 (Roskam)
    IL-12 (Bost)
    IA-1 (Blum)
    IA-3 (Young)
    KY-6 (Barr)
    KS-2 (OPEN)
    KS-3 (Yoder)
    ME-2 (Poliquin)
    MI-8 (Bishop)
    MN-3 (Paulsen)
    MT-AL (Gianforte)
    NJ-7 (Lance)
    NY-1 (Zeldin)
    NY-19 (Faso)
    NY-23 (Reed)
    NY-24 (Katko)
    OH-12 (VACANT)
    PA-1 (Fitzpatrick)
    TX-7 (Culberson)
    TX-32 (Sessions)
    UT-4 (Love) CA-50 (Hunter)
    CO-3 (Tipton)
    FL-6 (OPEN)
    FL-18 (Mast)
    FL-25 (Diaz-Balart)
    GA-6 (Handel)
    GA-7 (Woodall)
    IL-13 (R. Davis)
    IL-14 (Hultgren)
    MI-1 (Bergman)
    MI-6 (Upton)
    MI-7 (Walberg)
    MO-2 (Wagner)
    NJ-3 (MacArthur)
    NM-2 (OPEN)
    NY-11 (Donovan)
    NY-21 (Stefanik)
    NY-27 (Collins)
    NC-2 (Holding)
    NC-9 (Pittenger)
    NC-13 (Budd)
    ND-AL (OPEN)
    OH-1 (Chabot)
    PA-10 (Perry)
    VA-2 (Taylor)
    VA-5 (Garrett)
    VA-7 (Brat)
    WA-3 (Herrera-Beutler)
    WA-5 (McMorris-Rodgers)
    WI-1 (Ryan)
    WI-6 (Grothman)
    WI-7 (Duffy)
    WV-2 (Mooney)
    WV-3 (OPEN)