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Senate: Dems Lead in IN, AZ and FL / GOP Leads in TN and ND / Race Tied in MO

Fox News released polls in five states that show a net zero gain for either Republicans or Democrats based on the findings of the polls.

US SENATE – TENNESSEE (Fox News)
Marsha Blackburn (R) 48%
Phil Bredesen (D) 43%

US SENATE – INDIANA (Fox News)
Joe Donnelly (D-inc) 43%
Mike Braun (R) 41%

US SENATE – MISSOURI (Fox News)
Josh Hawley (R) 46%
Claire McCaskill (D-inc) 46%

US SENATE – NORTH DAKOTA (Fox News>
Kevin Cramer (R) 53%
Heidi Heitkamp (D-inc) 41%

US SENATE – ARIZONA (Fox News)
Kyrsten Sinema (D) 47%
Martha McSally (R) 45%

All these polls were done September 29-October 2 among likely voters. Meanwhile in FLorida, Mason-Dixon is showing the US Senate race as a single percentage-point margin for Bill Nelson.

US SENATE – FLORIDA (Mason-Dixon)
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 47%
Rick Scott (R) 46%

This poll was done September 24-27 among 815 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 2:40 pm
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1,185 Responses to “Senate: Dems Lead in IN, AZ and FL / GOP Leads in TN and ND / Race Tied in MO”

  1. mnw says:

    I bet Manchin would LOVE to be the only DEM to vote YES.

  2. sandiegocitizen says:

    Sen. Blumenthal is a blatant liar. His military service claims were complete fabrications.

  3. jason says:

    I give the GOP about a 40% chance of holding the House.

    If NateSilverhack says its 25%, it’s probably closer to 40.

  4. Wes says:

    The day before Ebola hit in 2014, Silver said the GOP was likely to win the Senate, but don’t tell Messy that.

  5. jason says:

    He also gave Ebola 0% chance of hitting the next day.

  6. Wes says:

    Phil says:
    October 4, 2018 at 2:42 pm
    Wes, I think you will agree with me that Heidi’s no is pretty much a confirmation that her internal polling is at least as bad as the recent public polling in her race. She’s given up and knows that even with a yes vote she is doomed.

    It will be interesting to see what Donnelly, who still has an even chance will now do.

    Exactly, Phil.

  7. jason says:

    The Dems have some loathsome creatures, but Bluemental (suck it, Tina… huh, you know what I mean) is leader of the pack.

    He reminds me of Charlie Rose, with that “I am so superior to you peasants” demeanor and voice.

  8. mnw says:

    Blumenthal is the VASTRIGHTKINGCONSPIRACY of the Senate, alright.

  9. mnw says:

    Vito

    Your post about the NRCC FR is VERY interesting. You might want to re-post on the new thread. I had heard rumors about that.

  10. Redmen4ever says:

    Mason-Dixon’s finding in the Senate race was held back, when they released their finding in the Governor race. But, with the fast-developing situation in Florida and nationwide just now, the result isn’t very informative.

    Regarding those U. Cal. Berkeley polls based on email addresses in voter files: I compared them to recent internals and public polls in the districts, and found them to be about as biased as Democrat internals. I could say the same thing about a handful of landline-only polls which, statistically speaking, look like Republican internals (e.g., the TRZ Communications poll of Ohio). On the plus side, the margin, while biased, is significantly correlated with the margins in the comparison polls. So, there’s information in these polls.

  11. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is predicting a Dem takeover……..and then jason went higher than Nate Silver in saying that Republicans would hold it……seems about right.

  12. Diamond Jim says:

    Go Cubs.

  13. CG says:

    Is it 2019 baseball season yet? I will eagerly await.

    In the meantime, the Chicago Bears are looking pretty promising. I specifically predicted the Cubs would win the 2016 World Series (including o here) over four years before it happened, so I think I am going to predict that the Bears will win the Feb 2021 Super Bowl.

  14. Mr.Vito says:

    The Doxxer…

    FOXNews: “According to a sworn statement by Capitol Police Captain Jason Bell, a witness Tuesday saw Cosko at a computer in a senator’s office, where he used to work, a day after two other unnamed senators’ information had been put on Wikipedia. Cosko is then alleged to have walked out, and hours later the witness received an email from “livefreeorpwn@gmail.com” saying: “If you tell anyone I will leak it all. Emails signal conversations gmails. Senators children’s health information and socials.”

  15. CG says:

    Some people on here have insisted Republicans will gain U.S. House seats this year. Others have said the GOP will hold the House. Now, we are being told that a 25% percent chance of them keeping the House is good news.

    What specifically defines a “red wave?”

    I will eventually go through and predict all 435 House races individually, but before I do that, I would estimate about a 20 percent chance of Republicans holding a House majority, with a diminished margin.

  16. ReadyFirst says:

    14. Schale is one of the best known Fl political pundits.

  17. GF says:

    If the House is gone, who cares, really? So long as we solidify the Senate, I’m willing to make that trade and allow the Pinkos to overreach in the House.

    Each Senate seat is technically worth 4.35 House seats, but when one considers that only 1/3 of the Senate is up at any given time, and that some Senate Classes are more favorably disposed to one party or the other, the more Senate eats we grab this year, the better in the long run.

    Thus, if someone were to magically offer me 57 seats (a +6 gain), I’d freely take 195-200 in the House. The House is going to be redistricted anyhow in a few years, so who knows how that will shake out.

    I am far more concerned about the governors this year, but they sometimes flip independent of the national environment (1986), so we’ll just have to wait them out.

  18. jason says:

    Corey gave me 100-1 odds that Hillary would win, same as the Princeton guy who had to eat a bug on TV.

    Natesilverhack is a partisan Dem first, poll aggregator second (he is not a pollster).

    His work is always biased towards making the Dems look better than polling actually indicates, that is why he “re weights” all the polls, especially those he doesn’t like.

    So if he says 25%, you can bet he thinks the GOP odds of keeping the House are at least 30%.

    I put it more at 40%, with diminished margin of course.

    Any talk about gaining seats is indeed nonsense.

  19. ReadyFirst says:

    Redmen, 2ID?

  20. Waingro says:

    Uh oh. Here he goes again.

    Elaina Plott
    ?Verified account @elainaplott
    35m35 minutes ago

    I’m told by source with direct knowledge that Flake is “still having issues” and that some colleagues are trying to “walk him through them.” Sen Coons tells me just now that Flake reached out to him and asked if they could speak at length later.

  21. CG says:

    I think I should have eaten a bug rather than give 1K to those dogs and horses that will not stop sending me newsletters I do not want.

  22. ReadyFirst says:

    Lovely, protesters in the Senate building everywhere. That will win over independents, keep it up (not)

  23. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/joe-thornton-already-regrets-shaving-222543528.html

    -First thing Kavanaugh should do is start to grow a beard until the Democrats apologize for their treatment of him.

  24. ReadyFirst says:

    Shep Smith just said comedian Amy Schumer is Chuckies first cousin, I didn’t know that.

  25. Wes says:

    I wonder if Howard Dean and BayernFan still receive contribution requests from St. Jude’s after making foolish bets with me about Christine O’Donnell and Romney’s margin in NC respectively.

  26. Robbie says:

    Called this a few days ago.

    Elaina Plott
    @elainaplott

    I’m told by source with direct knowledge that Flake is “still having issues” and that some colleagues are trying to “walk him through them.” Sen Coons tells me just now that Flake reached out to him and asked if they could speak at length later.

  27. Wes says:

    Err, actually oppositely rather than respectively.

  28. Wes says:

    Seriously, Bay, you must have been smoking some good stuff to bet against the spread on Delaware’s Corruption Queen.

  29. ReadyFirst says:

    Wes, another great source for FL specific politics info. Is safiereview.com. Seems to lean a bit left, but It’s a good site to bookmark.

  30. Wes says:

    Thanks, RF.

  31. CG says:

    Everyone should continue to calm down about Flake.

    What is it that the Trumpists say?

    “Pay attention to what he does, not what he says.”

  32. DW says:

    BOOM!!

    IBD/TIPP

    Democrat 45%
    Republican 43%

  33. jason says:

    think I should have eaten a bug rather than give 1K to those dogs and horses that will not stop sending me newsletters I do not want.”

    Well I would had to eat ten bugs and you a thousand in that case.

    And considering you had trouble digesting egg salad you probably would not have done well with 1000 bugs.

  34. Redmen4ever says:

    ReadyFirst: 2AD (mechanized infantry)

  35. DW says:

    And for those keeping score at home, the last IBD/TIPP was D+11

  36. DW says:

    Tarrance Group

    Manchin 47%
    Morrisey 43%

  37. phoenixrisen says:

    Twitter has been so much fun to watch today regarding the Dem meltdown but it hasn’t hit its climax yet. Watch what happens when the final vote confirms Kavanaugh. Phil, I’m going to be overstuffed with popcorn!

  38. Redmen4ever says:

    Boom!

    Tarrance: WV Senate D+4

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000166-407f-dc81-a1f6-457fe07f0001

    >The train may be pulling out of the station.

  39. CG says:

    I digested the sandwich just fine. It tasted lousy though.

    Today, it was a Chicken Cordon Bleau (sp?) Sandwich, which was fine, but I did not care for the ham on it. Serves me right as a Jew.

  40. EML says:

    McConnell wouldn’t have scheduled a vote if he didn’t have the votes. Flake is either on board or irrelevant.

  41. Redmen4ever says:

    sorry for the clutter

    because of language issues, I’m on an 8 second delay, and sometimes post items somebody already has posted

  42. BayernFan says:

    Seriously Wes, I would be bragging about a barely won bet 8 years ago when you predicted a Hillary win and I predicted a Trump win 2 years ago, or how you said a few days ago that there is no cloture vote when there is one tomorrow. Quit while ur behind, dude.

  43. phoenixrisen says:

    Manchin might be cooked. If he votes to confirm Kavanaugh, his base stays home. If he votes no on Kavanaugh, indies and squish GOP voters boot him out. This is looking like a bloodbath in the Senate now.

    Manchin, McCaskill, Heitkamp, Nelson, Tester, and Donnelly are all toast.

    And if Jim Renacci is smart in Ohio, he will hammer Sherrod Brown with Brown’s no vote.

  44. CG says:

    The Terrance Group robocalled me the other night and I hung up on it. I didn’t want to deal with whatever poll it was when I had other things on my mind such as the Cubs’ lack of hitting.

  45. BayernFan says:

    *wouldnt be bragging.

  46. EML says:

    I think you mean chicken cordon bleu. Chicken cordon bleau is a sexual position similar to the devils triangle.

  47. Robbie says:

    Nothing would be more 2018 than Flake demanding and getting a week long delay for the FBI to do a supplemental background check only to find what he asked for wasn’t enough.

  48. J. Cutler says:

    I am going to predict that the Bears will win the Feb 2021 Super Bowl.

    Not without me on the team!!!!!

  49. GF says:

    Why the angst, Corey? The Cubs only lost 2-1, it’s not like Colorado stomped them. It was a good effort.

    Not that I really approve of the Wildcard thing, but it’s just how the game is played nowadays. I liked East v West, although it was silly to keep ATL in the NL West for all those years.

  50. CG says:

    I’d hate to know what a BLT is.

  51. Chicon says:

    Oh, c’mon, Flake is a “true conservative” who would NEVER threaten to vote against a very conservative nominee to the Court. I mean, he’s got a sweet rating, no?

  52. CG says:

    When the Cubs won the 2016 World Series, I promised myself I would never truly complain about sports again, so no real angst, even if slightly disappointed.

  53. DW says:

    Look at the impact the IBD/TIPP poll had on 538’s formula:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/#deluxe

    Look at the trend-lines as to the chances of takeover/hold

  54. Wes says:

    Hm. Let’s see, Bay. I actually made a two-part prediction on the presidential race:

    I said Hillary would beat Trump 48-46 in the popular vote and carry the EC 279-259. That looks like a split to me—especially since I got the half I predicted accurately damn near spot on.

    As for cloture, I misunderstood the debate rules for the judges. I’ll own it.

    As for all that, how much money did I have to shell out? That’s right. Not a goddamn dime.

    You, however, must have had sucker written all over your face to bet on CHRISTINE O’DONNELL, who was DOA immediately after winning the primary.

  55. Wes says:

    BLT=bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.

  56. CG says:

    Somebody bet on COD winning the general election?

    Seriously?

  57. Phil says:

    Don’t kid yourself. Manchin is praying Flake is a yes. He needs to have this outcome a done deal so he can vote yes. His election chances drop waaaay down if Schumer makes him vote no – and Schumer will do so if two Republicans defect.

  58. jason says:

    Manchin, McCaskill, Heitkamp, Nelson, Tester, and Donnelly are all toast.”

    Thanks, I was wondering about those races.

    Now I know.

  59. Wes says:

    To be accurate, Corey, Bay bet O’Donnell would hold Coons to single digits despite her being consistently down by double digits.

    Another Hedgehogger at the time DID bet me O’Donnell would win. St. Jude’s must have been quite happy at their complete and utter lack of perspicacity in making political bets that year.

  60. ReadyFirst says:

    38. So you’re a Bradley Guy, nice! Thank you for your service! Long ago, I was in 1st BDE, 3AD (ReadyFirst). I was an S2, but still had fun going through the BFV Commanders Course when the Division converted.

  61. dblaikie says:

    Manchin unlike the other red state dems, for whatever reason, was a popular Gov. in WV. He has a simple choice vote yes and have a real shot at 6 more years or lose. Hedi knew she was going to lose – either way.

  62. Wes says:

    They must have been even happier two years later when Howard Dean bet me Romney would carry NC by 5+ points.

    One might think I know a few things about NC politics after I called every major statewide race here within a half point of the final margin going back to 2010.

  63. dblaikie says:

    I would be real careful about reading too much in twitter reports. If Flake votes no he will be hated for the rest of his life by his fellow Mormons.

  64. Wes says:

    I’m hoping Robbie bets me on NC in 2020 so I can steer another sucker’s money to St. Jude’s that year.

    Full disclosure:

    I have lost bets on here twice, both times to MD. I also beat him in a bet when he claimed Hillary would carry this state. I don’t know if he ever contributed. I made both my contributions to Bryn Mawr as agreed.

  65. DW says:

    once again, two of the three toupees, Cook and Sabato zigged when the data zagged. The IBD/TIPP poll comes out only hours after they made a whole pile of changes in the D direction.

  66. Wes says:

    I first heard of Charlie Cook circa 1996 when he essentially declared Harvey Gantt would beat Jesse Helms. Even after it became clear Gantt was going to lose, Cook still said NC-Sen was a safe bet for an upset. I’ve had little respect for the chief toupee since.

  67. CG says:

    I’m not paying MD on the Mark Kirk election bet unless he actually shows up and claims the victory. The statute of limitations is passed anyway.

  68. BayernFan says:

    Well Wes, if you really need that win (barely) on a $50 bet to charity 8 years ago, then I’ll give it to you.

    But maybe you ought to see someone about your insecurities?? JS dude.

    St Jude thanked ME by the way. Not YOU.

    lol

    And you still goofed big time on the cloture thing. You don’t have to be out money to be a… what did you call me??…. oh yeah….

    A DOLT.

    Turns out you are the dolt. lol

    Ooops.

  69. lisab says:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Senators vote NO on Kavanaugh
    Or else we’re coming for you

  70. Mr.Vito says:

    Kathy Griffin is exhausting her vocabulary on twitter.

  71. EML says:

    MD and author still off the rails?

  72. Wes says:

    It’s not the fact that I won a bet against you, Bay. It’s the fact that you were stupid enough to make such an idiotic bet. It’d be like my betting whatever Republican running against her will beat Kirsten Gillibrand. Only a fool would take that bet.

    By the way, you bet O’Donnell would lose by single digits. She lost by 17. Being a whole eight points off at minimum doesn’t make your loss a narrow one.

  73. CG says:

    I know that MD and Author, on Twitter, are opposed to the Kavanaugh nomination. I don’t get it and I yield to nobody in my thorough and complete contempt for DJT.

    Author is also on his way to becoming a viral YouTube celebrity as he and his wife regularly post “Mukbang” videos in which they eat a large meal on camera while discussing movies they have seen. I genuinely believe he would appreciate the advertisement

  74. Wes says:

    By the way, Bay, I owned up to not knowing what I was talking about regarding Senate rules on judge votes already. You really should try to keep up.

  75. CG says:

    I’m going to send in a request they order in Olive Garden and discuss Goodfellas.

  76. lisab says:

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Senators vote NO on Kavanaugh
    Or else we’re coming for you
    ————————–

    that is from planned parenthood btw

    tax dollars at work

  77. lisab says:

    Women’s March leader just criticized “white wives with their white husbands” for supporting Trump. Crowd booed loudly. She then demanded that Trump supporters not be allowed to be “comfortable” at the dinner table or in public.

    This is coming for you conservatives.
    —————————————–

    coming for all of us … brownshirt tactics

  78. DW says:

    Wow, here is something you don’t see every day. Ratings changes, with all but one in the GOP direction:

    RCP changes today:

    MN_03 Lean D > Tossup
    NC_09 Lean D > Tossup
    CA_50 Tossup > Lean R
    MT_01 Tossup > Lean R
    OH_01 Tossup > Lean R
    VA_02 Tossup > Lean R
    WI_01 Tossup > Lean R

    NJ_03 Tossup > Lean D

  79. lisab says:

    I would estimate about a 20 percent chance of Republicans holding a House majority,
    ——————————

    so you predict the brewers have a 20% chance of winning the world series?

  80. CG says:

    At least Clarence Thomas’s wife is not being attacked this time, unlike the early 90s, as she is a white wife without a white husband.

  81. DW says:

    How do you know when a race is over? When you are the challenger, and you release an internal poll showing you are losing by ‘only’ four:

    NE_02 – D-Internal

    Eastman (D) 45%
    Bacon (R) 49%

  82. lisab says:

    Retired U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, a lifelong Republican, told a small crowd in Boca Raton that Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s performance at confirmation hearings should disqualify him.

  83. ReadyFirst says:

    lisab. I appreciate you watching the women’s march leader so I dont have to. Always good to keep up on what the opposition is saying.

  84. CG says:

    “so you predict the brewers have a 20% chance of winning the world series?”

    Seems about right. I can only picture the Dodgers beating them in the NL. Any AL team will be favored.

  85. lisab says:

    Ed Markey

    @SenMarkey
    31m31 minutes ago
    More
    An inspiring show of force by the #StopKavanaugh protestors who are occupying the Hart Senate Office Building right now.

  86. EML says:

    Keep throwing those temper tantrums. Its working great!

  87. BayernFan says:

    Gee Wes, was I off that much? I dont even remember… as it was 8 years ago.

    You poor dear. smdh

  88. CG says:

    I just hope Justice to be Kavanaugh and his family have very good security for the foreseeable future. There are some truly sick people out there.

  89. BayernFan says:

    Wes… it’s good to see that you owned up to being a DOLT. lol

  90. Wes says:

    DW, Eastman—insert MST3K joke here—was the moonbat who beat former Congressman Brad Ashford in the primary and effectively handed Bacon reelection.

    I’m not sure Ashford would have won as he only barely beat Lee Terry after the latter’s multiple gaffes and had a very liberal voting record in Congress. However, Ashford did exude the aura of the kind of prairie populist Dem popular from North Dakota through Kansas till the Obama years and certainly would have made the race at least somewhat competitive.

  91. EML says:

    Bayern – no wins in 3. Home draws against Augsberg and Ajax. Loss to Hertha. Team is too old. Time to rebuild.

  92. Wes says:

    Who’s the bigger dolt, Bay—the guy who loses no money on a bad bit of analysis or the guy who essentially says, Take my money please!” on a ridiculous bet?

  93. CG says:

    Being incorrect on the spelling of “Vichy” is the biggest sin imaginable. It’s already been determined on here by others..

  94. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    October 4, 2018 at 5:07 pm
    Being incorrect on the spelling of “Vichy” is the biggest sin imaginable. It’s already been determined on here by others..

    – It’s even worse than believing the Republican Party should pay attention to Newt Gingrich.

  95. Mr.Vito says:

    Graph of Kavanaugh allegations

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dor_zOHU4AA9Yv8.jpg

    H/T DailyWire

  96. Phil says:

    99

    The graph says it all.

  97. Wes says:

    It’s all over but the shoutin’. (I suspect there will be a lot of that.) The NRSC considers ND to be locked up and is canceling ad buys there for the home stretch.

    More money to go elsewhere.

  98. CG says:

    Depending on your workplace firewall, the graph may say nothing!

  99. lisab says:

    National Center for Lesbian Rights
    ?
    We are here in Hart Senate Building and it’s PACKED with hundreds here to let their Senators know they #BelieveSurvivors and that it’s time to #StopKavanaugh
    ——————————-

    not the prettiest protesters but i bet you could find someone to play golf with

  100. lisab says:

    BREAKING: Survivors sitting-in at @JeffFlake’s Phoenix office to share their stories and demand that he commit to vote NO on Kavanaugh. They are refusing to leave the office until Flake meets their demand or they are arrested. #BeAHeroFlake #StopKavanaugh

  101. CG says:

    I would be interested to see Survivor sitting in some Senator’s office to perform “Eye of the Tiger” and “The Search is Over.”

    They will never be the same though after the passing of Jimi Jameson.

  102. BayernFan says:

    Wes that’s easy…

    YOU ARE!!!

    And EML…. preach.

  103. mnw says:

    Grassley just told NBC & others that “there are 4 undecided senators,” fwiw.

    The real significance of Vicheytroll shooting his fool mouth off about the “Vichey” (sic) regime is that it shows both illiteracy & historical illiteracy. Two-for-one moron.

    corr-eee will now tell us again what a formidable opponent Brendan Kelly is for Mike Bost. Because core-eee is just as arrogant (& always wrong) as his BFP Vichey. A troll marriage made in heaven.

    Add three iii’s to the menage a troll.

  104. BayernFan says:

    I have no faith whatsoever that Flake will do right by this. None.

    This isn’t over.

    Flake should take a lesson from Graham on how to deal with these loons.

    Maybe he’s locked himself in the reading room.

    What a sad pathetic broken man. A total laughingstock now.

  105. GF says:

    68- MD had you give money to Bryn Mawr? That was the first sign that things were slipping…

    J/k! I don’t join in the MD bashing; he was always good to me here and is still an active friend on FB. Granted, he had dinner and drinks three blocks from my house, and I never knew he was in town until after he went back to Philly…

  106. ReadyFirst says:

    Protesters everywhere, while votes are CURRENTLY being cast, I love it! I posted this in the previous thread and I’m going to say it again. –
    In my county, and I’m sure in a lot of others, absentee ballots represented roughly 1/3 of the ballots cast in the primary. I would bet it’s at least a similar proportion in the general. This is why i made my 686. post. At least a third of the general election votes are being cast right now, in the middle of the Kav storm, while Reps are pissed. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that ratio increase for the general because in my county, roughly half the requested primary absentees weren’t returned. People are motivated now.

  107. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 5:18 pm
    The real significance of Vicheytroll shooting his fool mouth off about the “Vichey” (sic) regime is that it shows both illiteracy & historical illiteracy. Two-for-one moron.

    – The Trump populist troll who disappeared for years and thinks Republicans should pay attention to Newt Gingrich has some thoughts.

  108. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 4, 2018 at 5:21 pm
    I have no faith whatsoever that Flake will do right by this. None.
    This isn’t over.

    – I tend to agree. Flake is playing for a teaching position at Harvard and a contributor spot on MSNBC or CNN. He’s still got some waffling in him on this.

  109. CG says:

    If Bost loses because mnw refuses to acknowledge that it might actually be a race, it’s all on mnw/strawdog/whatever else he calls himself.

  110. GF says:

    “not the prettiest protesters but i bet you could find someone to play golf with”

    So, are you’re saying they aren’t quite softball material?

  111. Wes says:

    Sure, Bay. Keep telling yourself that. While you’re at it, ask St. Jude’s to send you a letter thanking me for taking your sucker bet on O’Donnell so you can post it here.

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Democratic staffer who released the Republican senators private information, also threatened to publish their children’s health information. This guy formerly worked for Feinstein.

  113. CG says:

    Nobody understand the four dimensional chess that Jeff Flake is playing and how it is good for conservatives besides myself and perhaps the cartoonist who draws Sally Forth.

  114. lisab says:

    a few play softball i am sure

    but i would say a good number are from the dinah shore era

  115. Wes says:

    Dems were (rightly) furious when anti-choice Republicans tried to have much less information released about women seeking abortions. Now Dems are threatening to VIOLATE FEDERAL LAW to try to force Republicans to vote their way on Kavanaugh.

    This is not going to go over well for the Left.

  116. GF says:

    118- “but i would say a good number are from the dinah shore era”

    Suffice it to say, then, that they have traded in their Chevrolet’s for Volvo’s and Priuses.

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    After the vote has taken place, am going to enjoy Trump’s going on the offensive.

  118. jason says:

    That’s a great graph of the allegations… hilarious.

  119. DW says:

    Posted at RRH

    https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/1047944937088507904

    “Marist Poll: Generic Ballot among Suburban Women
    Sep 9: D+35
    Sep 24: D+22
    Oct 1: D+14”

    https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/1047945716646252551

    “Qunnipiac: Generic Ballot among white women
    Jul 22: D+14
    Sep 9: D+5
    Sep 30: D+1”

  120. Wes says:

    HIPAA violations are incredibly serious. I hope the Dems understand that.

  121. mnw says:

    “That [FBI] investigation [of Kavanaugh] is BULLZH*T!”

    Sen. Bob Menendez

  122. dylan says:

    How is the actual voting in the Senate likely to go down?

    Are Murkowski, Collins, and Flake likely to wait until the very close of voting to actually vote such that the undecided Dems have to play chicken and vote before the end of the voting period?

    or are they likely to just cast their votes when the voting opens?

    plenty of time for more drama

  123. mnw says:

    I can’t get too excited about the doxxing by… an unpaid intern. Not exactly big game we’re hunting there.

    I’m more concerned that a senator’s physical security & computer security would be so lax that it could happen.

  124. CG says:

    The new talking point on the left is that if he ever had too much to drink in college that it means he has a disqualifying problem from serving.

    They seem to overlook the admission a few years back from RBG that she had too much to drink at dinner and fell asleep on national tv during the SOTU address.

  125. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 4, 2018 at 5:32 pm
    After the vote has taken place, am going to enjoy Trump’s going on the offensive.

    – Him being hemmed in on this subject the last few weeks has produced some of the best weeks of his presidency. Even his Twitter feed has been much calmer. The last thing the party needs in the last 4.5 weeks of the election is Trump falling back on the behavior that made his poll numbers drop to 40 or lower.

  126. CG says:

    If Trump wants to go on the offensive, why doesn’t he sue all his female accusers, as he promised to do during the campaign?

    Oh, there may be a reason or two for that..

  127. Wes says:

    So, Robbie, I mentioned this earlier: Can I get you to bet me on the outcome of an NC race in 2020?

  128. mnw says:

    God, what a troll fest.

    I just saw a news story, illustrated with a photo of a woman. I thought it was McCaskill. It was Heitkamp.

  129. CG says:

    133. Go see a doctor about your spectacles. Medicare should cover it.

  130. GF says:

    Not picking a fight, but to be balanced, why don’t his female accusers file charges? Have they all passed the SoL for his alleged offenses?

    (To be clear, I’ve no doubt Trump has been a boorish man throughout his adult life; I just don’t know how much crossed from inappropriate remarks/glancing blows to outright sexual assault. He strikes me as a braggadocio who folds like a cheap suit if a woman doesn’t quickly bend to his whims.)

  131. lisab says:

    soooooooo … if kavanaugh is confirmed … which i do not think is in any way assured btw

    will schumer and difi have a beer summit with kavanaugh

  132. Robbie says:

    The Hamlet of the Potomac is at it again.

    From Erick Erickson

    UPDATED at 4:48pm: The GOP apparently have their hopes pinned on Joe Manchin and were convinced Donnelly would change his position. That doesn’t appear to be happening. Now Flake is going flakey again, but I’m still told Murkowski and Collins appear ready to support Kavanaugh.

  133. CG says:

    Can a sitting President be charged criminally? That’s a big question about a lot of things these days. They have sued him civilly. He said he would sue them back and never did.

  134. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 4, 2018 at 5:43 pm
    So, Robbie, I mentioned this earlier: Can I get you to bet me on the outcome of an NC race in 2020?

    – Give it rest. We don’t even know who the candidates are going to be. I assume it will be Trump, but I have zero idea who the Democrat will be.

  135. Wes says:

    But…but…Robbie, you were so confident Hillary and Ross would win here in 2016.

    We know Cooper and Forest will face off. We also know Tillis is seeking reelection. That’s a starting point for a bet.

  136. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 4, 2018 at 6:02 pm
    But…but…Robbie, you were so confident Hillary and Ross would win here in 2016.
    We know Cooper and Forest will face off. We also know Tillis is seeking reelection. That’s a starting point for a bet.

    – I’m not engaging in a moronic bet about a race that’s two years off when we don’t even know who the participants will be.

  137. lisab says:

    He strikes me as a braggadocio who folds like a cheap suit if a woman doesn’t quickly bend to his whims.)
    ————————–

    i would imagine he had women lined up to be with him back when he was unmarried.

    billionaires don’t usually have trouble getting dates

  138. Phil says:

    All indications are that Collins is on board. If so it becomes totally unimportant what Flake does. Let him wallow in his drama. All can see he’s making a fool out of himself.

  139. Wes says:

    You’re not going to believe this, Mnw, but an RRH “Republican” actually has something POSITIVE to say about the GOP:

    GREYHOUND
    October 4, 2018 at 5:43 pm | In reply to Left Coast Libertarian
    Also, I have noticed that one name has been notably absent from discussions about the out party making dramatic accusations of sexual assault ahead of a midterm election. Does anyone else get Monica Lewinsky vibes from all this? I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason this seems to be polling well for the GOP isnt so much that people believe Kavanaugh over Ford, but rather that even some people who believe Ford think the Democrats have acted inappropriately.
    R, 27, CA-18. Anti-Anti-Trump

  140. Redmen4ever says:

    64 – I’m a bit of an old timer. I was an M113 guy. They kicked me up to staff, usually in the 4 shop at battalion and brigade.

    It was some years after I got out that I was thanked by anyone for my service. Things were different back then. The first time I was thanked was at a pow-wow. The chief said his sons were among the best warriors of today, one a Marine and the other a Ranger. Then he had the veterans of his tribe join in a war dance. It was almost all the men and several of the sqauws. Then he invited the veterans in the audience, including those who served during peacetime as well as during wartime. It was great to join with them and to join with you. Thank you for your service.

  141. Redmen4ever says:

    What is Trump doing in Minnesota tonight?

    I’ll quote Admiral Nimitz. “I want that fourth carrier.” Translation: Think big. Look for targets of opportunity.

    We got ’em on the run, boys.

  142. Wes says:

    From RRH (regarding the threatened leaks of Republicans’ children’s medical records):

    The congressional softball game shooter didn’t impact Democrats. I doubt this will.

    Like Hell it didn’t. Dems were poised to pick off a GA House seat before Hodgkinson rampaged. Polling even said the shooting was a factor in Ossoff’s loss. Had another such attack occurred before the November municipal elections, you can be damn sure Dems would have suffered.

  143. mnw says:

    GREYHOUND has never particularly annoyed me. His post you quoted is obscure and strange. Sorry, Grey, but I don’t think there are many people who “believe Ford” but are mad at… the DEMs.

    Lots of lefty/troll angst tonight over the midterm turning into a nationalized contest over “a cultural issue.” In their hearts, they want K to be confirmed fast, & the whole issue to disappear down the memory hole.

  144. mnw says:

    Red

    I wonder about MN too. Does WH think Housley is suddenly movin’ on up? Or is it about helping endangered GOP Congresscritters, + the open seat?

    I’ve posted here many times about my admiration for Housley as a candidate. She is good.

  145. lisab says:

    I don’t think there are many people who “believe Ford” but are mad at… the DEMs.
    ——————————-

    the thing is … what about clinton? kennedy(s)? weiner? etc.

    they did not care about women then …

    (this is some dems today)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

  146. Robbie says:

    My gut sense is this nomination could (I stress could) fail. If they wanted to be for him, what’s the hold up?

    Erick Erickson
    @EWErickson

    Republicans in the Senate who were rather confident after seeing the FBI report are suddenly nervous about Flake, etc. And they have no leverage with Flake.

  147. Phil says:

    Relax. As long as we have Collins we don’t need the drama king.

  148. Tina says:

    Another problem.

    Montana senator not available for vote on Saturday due to daughters wedding,

  149. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra ??
    @RealSaavedra
    10m
    BREAKING: Montana Republican Senator Steve Daines says he needs to be in Montana this weekend for his daughter’s wedding, throwing Saturday’s confirmation vote on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in doubt
    View details ·

  150. Robbie says:

    My hunch remains Flake, Collins, and Murkowski all would prefer to see this nomination go away. I think they hoped the one week delay would uncover something (a new allegation or something uncovered by the FBI) that would force Kavanaugh to quit. That didn’t happen.

    Now, each has gotten what they wanted. They got a limited investigation focused on Mark Judge and the other allegation from the New Yorker. And yet, none of them have been able to say they support Kavanaugh. Why? What’s the hold up?

    This is terribly unfair to Kavanaugh and to the country.

  151. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:09 pm
    Relax. As long as we have Collins we don’t need the drama king.

    – From where does the confidence on Collins come?

    She hasn’t said no and said the investigation was thorough, but she continues to not be able to make a decision.

  152. Human Question says:

    Montana senator not available for vote on Saturday due to daughters wedding,

    This only came up now? WTF?

  153. mnw says:

    Vichey’s “hunches” have been SOOO good in the past. A trollfool with a sense of grandiosity.

  154. lisab says:

    trump is in mn today!

    had i known … well … i would not have waited in line for 12 hours … but i might have gone to a bar in the same city! the place he is visiting has a really good trader joes!

  155. Robbie says:

    Anyone gambling that Manchin will provide the 50th vote is taking a huge risk. Why would he, a Democrat, be the one who puts Kavanaugh on the Court just ahead of an election? I know some will say he loses if he doesn’t vote for Kavanaugh, but what’s the evidence of that?

    I’m quite certain Manchin would love to be the 51st vote, but the decider? In this political environment? I don’t see that as of Thursday evening.

  156. Phil says:

    The only person worried about a Flake no vote is Joe Manchin for obvious reasons. LOL

  157. MikeKS says:

    GOP will win all of these in the end. I think we get to 55:

    Lose NV

    Win IN, MT, ND, FL, MO

  158. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    Vichey’s “hunches” have been SOOO good in the past. A trollfool with a sense of grandiosity.

    – Can you explain why Flake, Collins, and Murkowski are still undecided after three months and an extra investigation which they asked for and received?

  159. EML says:

    Where would HHR be without Sir Wobbly the Bedwetter

  160. Tina says:

    We are down four now.

    Diane’s, daughter is getting married and he will miss.

    FFFFFFFLAKEY

    MAINE Chicklet

    Sen. planned Parenhood.

  161. Phil says:

    Good. No Collins? Just fine. Let Manchin be the deciding NO vote. That will go over great. We could use his seat. LMAO

  162. Tina says:

    Daines*

  163. Robbie says:

    EML says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:21 pm
    Where would HHR be without Sir Wobbly the Bedwetter

    – Can you explain why Flake, Collins, and Murkowski are still undecided after three months and an extra investigation which they asked for and received?

  164. Tina says:

    Hi, Mikeks.

    A long time poster.

  165. EML says:

    Flake said he was a yes before the FBI report and the report didn’t change anything. Straight from the horse’s mouth. No one is saying Flake is undecided.

  166. Phil says:

    They got their extra investigation so they’re covered.

    As far as Daines, do you really think he’s going to let this nomination go down because of a wedding? His political career would be in the dumpster after that one.

  167. Messy says:

    Brazil’s far-right presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro is polling ahead of leftist Workers Party rival Fernando Haddad 44-42

  168. Robbie says:

    If Daines is not present on Saturday, then all 50 Republicans will need to vote “yes”. If the votes haven’t been secured, McConnell could always hold the vote Sunday or Monday and wait for Daines to return.

    Regrettably, we’re in the same place we were once the initial hearings concluded. We’re still waiting on Collins, Murkowski, and Flake.

    I’m not sure why people are so optimistic the two women who helped torpedo Obamacare reform and the guy who hates Trump are sure bets.

    I’m not saying they won’t vote for Kavanaugh, but this is much closer than it should be.

  169. Phil says:

    Mitch didn’t promote this exact time table in order for this nomination to go down.

  170. Tina says:

    It’s his daughter though, Phil,

    Seems like we are banking in the 3 Cuckatters and Howdy Doody from W. VA

  171. Robbie says:

    EML says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:25 pm
    Flake said he was a yes before the FBI report and the report didn’t change anything. Straight from the horse’s mouth. No one is saying Flake is undecided.

    – If he’s a hard yes, why is Erick Erickson reporting Republicans are unsure where he stands and why did Elaina Plott report today that Flake is hedging again and spent a good amount of time talking with Coons again?

    He hasn’t said he’s a “no”, but he’s certainly not giving any indication he’s a definite yes.

  172. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:28 pm
    Mitch didn’t promote this exact time table in order for this nomination to go down.

    – Or he published a set date to force the hand of wavering colleagues one way or the other.

  173. Phil says:

    I don’t care who it is, Tina. A little late with this little snippet of information isn’t he? Mitch can schedule the vote for Sunday if he has to. So what.

  174. Tina says:

    Hold off on Daines.

    It is a tweet from an Nbc reporter.

    Don’t trust nbc

  175. Phil says:

    Manchin is calling Flake’s office as we speak begging him to be a yes. LMAO

  176. mnw says:

    three iii’s checks in from Rio! The trollfest is now complete!

    three iii’s: “Ebola!”

    Vicheytroll: “Looks like Hillary may win MO too!”

    corr-eee; “That Brendan Kelly looks like a giant killer to me! Bost shot a dog!”

  177. Tina says:

    Lionel?? Lionel??
    @LionelMedia
    1h
    This is your opposition. Thank you. pic.twitter.com/ctmPSwZwTX
    View photo ·

    Look,how Hatch handles a paid protester.

    Paging. FFFFFFFFFlakey

  178. Phil says:

    Old Joe is the only one sweating bullets here.

  179. EML says:

    You think Erick Erickson has some magic inside connection? He does not. Why don’t you believe the exact words out of Flake’s mouth when he said he was a yes before and a yes now? McConnell’s got the votes. No Republican will vote against. Time to change your tighty whiteys.

  180. mnw says:

    EML

    Good to have you here again.

  181. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    three iii’s checks in from Rio! The trollfest is now complete!
    three iii’s: “Ebola!”
    Vicheytroll: “Looks like Hillary may win MO too!”
    corr-eee; “That Brendan Kelly looks like a giant killer to me! Bost shot a dog!”

    – The Trump populist troll who disappeared for years and thinks we should pay attention to Newt Gingrich has thoughts.

  182. Robbie says:

    EML says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:35 pm
    You think Erick Erickson has some magic inside connection? He does not. Why don’t you believe the exact words out of Flake’s mouth when he said he was a yes before and a yes now? McConnell’s got the votes. No Republican will vote against. Time to change your tighty whiteys.

    – He speaks to Tom Cotton and David Perdue all of the time.

  183. Tina says:

    Hatch upset that snowflake

  184. Robbie says:

    Erick Erickson’s first hour where he recounts where things stand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHtiGaXlR6E&feature=youtu.be&a=

  185. ReadyFirst says:

    Have the vote at 12:01 am sat. And a private jet standing by. Daines Problem solved.

  186. mnw says:

    You know, being “an airline pilot” & all, it’s amazing that Vicheytroll threadpig has so much time to spread his self-evident wisdom!

    I think corr-eee is in “the accounting field”

    And three iii’s? Well… a JOB? Don’t think he has the mentation.

  187. jason says:

    Brazil’s far-right presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro is polling ahead of leftist Workers Party rival Fernando Haddad 44-42″

    Anyone who is not a communist is “far right” to moonbats.

    Bolsonaro would be considered a mainstream conservative in the US.

    Oh wait, that is “far right”

  188. Robbie says:

    Apparently, Jeff Flake’s constituency may not be the people of Arizona or conservative principles, but Chris Coons.

  189. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 7:55 pm
    You know, being “an airline pilot” & all, it’s amazing that Vicheytroll threadpig has so much time to spread his self-evident wisdom!
    I think corr-eee is in “the accounting field”
    And three iii’s? Well… a JOB? Don’t think he has the mentation.

    – I’m high on the seniority list and we really don’t work nearly as much as you might think. They’ve got to keep us fresh.

    Got any great insights from Newt Gingrich?

  190. jason says:

    And in any case that is the second round poll.

    For the first round, Bolsonaro has 32 percent, Haddad (a communist) 23%.

  191. NYCmike says:

    Newt Gingrich keeps getting mentioned…….is he selling guac bowls as well?

  192. Phil says:

    Manchin now calling Coon’s office begging him to back off and just let Flake vote yes.

  193. mnw says:

    May I see the hands of ANYBODY who believes that Vicheytroll is “an airline pilot high on the seniority list”?

    Trolls have great fantasy lives, don’t they?

  194. jason says:

    New poll.

    Bolsonaro 35 Haddad 22

    Messy hardest hit.

  195. jason says:

    Personally I think he flies a crop duster.

  196. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    May I see the hands of ANYBODY who believes that Vicheytroll is “an airline pilot high on the seniority list”?
    Trolls have great fantasy lives, don’t they?

    – Bless your heart.

    I’ve got more than 13,000 flying hours and whole lot of people hired behind me that gets me a good schedule. And since we are only required to fly 65 hours a month, there’s plenty of free time to mock moron like you who think Newt is some sort of wise thinker.

  197. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:03 pm
    Personally I think he flies a crop duster.

    – ERJ-145, CL65, and B737.

  198. EML says:

    Pilots are just glorified taxi drivers. Even then, Wobbly’s pretty low on the totem pole. Just flies regionals. I’m on the 777X flight control team. We do all the real work for pilot/taxi drivers.

  199. Robbie says:

    EML says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:09 pm
    Pilots are just glorified taxi drivers. I’m on the 777X flight control team. We do all the real work for pilot/taxi drivers.

    – We get paid pretty well though.

  200. jason says:

    I personally wouldn’t want to fly with someone who has the moral compass of a floating turd, but maybe that is just me.

  201. EML says:

    Folding Wing Tip, fully distributed flight control.

  202. jason says:

    Damm, I fly a lot of ERJ-145’s…

  203. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:03 pm
    Personally I think he flies a crop duster.

    – Crop dusting flying is dangerous. I wouldn’t get near one of those planes.

  204. Mr.Vito says:

    I think McConnell ashould have Flake, Collins, and Murk hold how they are voting right up to the end.

    Meanwhile, Morrissey should be running ads asking why Manchin won’t just do the will of West Virginians.

  205. jason says:

    If I fly Amoral Scumbag’s plane he will know who I am too.

    I am usually the only one who orders the Inca menu.

  206. EML says:

    We get paid pretty well though
    =================================
    Not nearly as much as the engineers who make your life so easy, but you’re welcome.

  207. EML says:

    – Crop dusting flying is dangerous. I wouldn’t get near one of those planes.
    ===================================
    Understandable. Fly by cable and you don’t know how to actually fly because you depend on the FBW guys.

  208. lisab says:

    imagine if you were on his flight on election night about 9pm!

  209. BayernFan says:

    I’ve lived long enough and seen enough to not trust Republicans to do right in big votes like this. We shall see.

  210. Mr.Vito says:

    “I wouldn’t get near one of those planes.”

    Christine? Is that you?

  211. Marv says:

    #204 EML,

    Ever been low on fuel on approach to Wake Island with thunderstorms in all quadrants? Taxi drivers don’t have that pproblem.

  212. Mr.Vito says:

    I heard there was only one way to fly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6aLYguRSIE

  213. GF says:

    Polls from Brazil now? What is it with Pinkos and their obsession with getting fellow travelers elected around the globe? It’s as though they have a desire for everyone on the planet to live under the same laws they deem necessary…

    C.S. Lewis warned us about these types; “omnipotent moral busybodies.” They may get to heaven, but they do a good job making a Hell here on Earth in the meantime.

  214. lisab says:

    Ever been low on fuel in roxbury after dark?

    a lot more dangerous than wake island

  215. EML says:

    Commercial pilots/taxi drivers dont fly to wake island.

  216. Robbie says:

    EML says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:17 pm
    – Crop dusting flying is dangerous. I wouldn’t get near one of those planes.
    ===================================
    Understandable. Fly by cable and you don’t know how to actually fly because you depend on the FBW guys.

    – I’m a CFI, a CFII, and a MEI. I do instructing with student pilots and instrument pilots in C172 and PA-28 with some frequency. I know how to fly by cable, thank you.

  217. lisab says:

    Commercial pilots/taxi drivers dont fly to wake island.
    ——————-

    or roxbury

  218. Mr.Vito says:

    Robbie thought he was low on fuel once.

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/209665.gif

  219. Marv says:

    #220

    Hi lisab,

    Roxbury probably wouldn’t have been a destination to which I would have received Frag order.

  220. lisab says:

    Roxbury probably wouldn’t have been a destination to which I would have received Frag order.
    ———————

    not without combat pay

  221. Brion says:

    Wake island is the best place. Eels, Singapore guns, pw rock! Look up pw rock wake island you will be humbled

  222. BayernFan says:

    so when is the cloture vote tomorrow?

  223. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:41 pm
    so when is the cloture vote tomorrow?

    – Starts at 10:30.

  224. mnw says:

    In a pigz a*s, Vichey. Take your moronic bullish*t over to KOS.

    And after the election, he was too busy to post his stupid threadpig drivel, because… airline pilot! Duty called, huh?

    moron

  225. Chicon says:

    Robbie, why does your gut never sense a positive outcome?

  226. Bitterlaw says:

    Flake, Murk and Collins will all vote Yes to piss off Tina and Phil. They need their villains but those 3 will not play that role.

  227. mnw says:

    Bogo Pogo calls, huh, Vichey?

    Funny how his “senior airline pilot” (krap!) only interferes with his threadpigism right after an election exposes him as a fraud.

  228. Robbie says:

    Chicon says:
    October 4, 2018 at 8:45 pm
    Robbie, why does your gut never sense a positive outcome?

    – Look at who we regularly must rely upon. Why would the usual suspects inspire any confidence? If It’s not Collins and Murkowski, it’s Paul and Flake. Hard to hold a caucus together when we have so many independent actors who aren’t beholden to anyone.

  229. EML says:

    McConnell filed for cloture 10PM EDT last night. Today was “ripening day”. Cloture vote is scheduled 1 hour after opening time (10AM) tomorrow. After cloture vote, debate is open for 30 hours. So earliest time for actual vote is 4 PM Saturday.

  230. Redmen4ever says:

    Manchin just remembered. He’s a bridesgroom at Danies’ daughters wedding. What a bipartisan guy!

  231. Robbottie says:

    “Robbie, why does your gut never sense a positive outcome?”

    I really love chili with beans.

  232. Robbottie says:

    OOPS! I boofed.

  233. Tina says:

    Have the 3 Cuckateers made any new demands?

    Can hatch show them a video on how to handle snowflakes?

    Grassley has one,

  234. GF says:

    I hope Daines is flying on a private craft; I could totally see some lunatic Pinko trying to hijack his flight if it was commercial.

  235. ReadyFirst says:

    235. Thanks for clearing that up EML. I understood it as 30 hours from cloture filing.

  236. Blobbie says:

    Bogo Pogo calls, huh, Vichey?
    —————————————-

    If Robbie’s brain boards a plane in New York City and leaves for Bogo Pogo going 360 miles per hour and plane B leaves one hour later going 385 miles per hour, how long will it take before Robbie’s brain stops trolling?

  237. mnw says:

    After his private meeting with Flake, Coons told a reporter he thought that “K will be confirmed narrowly.”

  238. BayernFan says:

    mnw was this recently? or earlier today?

  239. JeffP says:

    Tina you are hilarious sometimes. Nice to laugh after a long day at work. Grassley was awesome in his 85 yo rant on bias media.

  240. jason says:

    “Breaking: NYT along with Senator Diane Fienstien have been told by anonymous sources that Kavanaugh was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.”

  241. mnw says:

    BF

    Recently. I don’t have a link. It has been widely discussed, though.

    K has a guest op-ed for the WSJ. I hate it. It’s kind of apology-ish.

    Hey, Brett? You ever hear Trump apologize?

    Whenever you are in a tough, moral dilemma, always ask yourself, “What would TRUMP do?” That way you can never go wrong.

  242. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV NEWS

    “…5,002 people registered to vote [in SEPTEMBER] in what has been recognized nationally as National Voter Registration Month.

    More than 36 percent of new voters registered as Republicans, compared to 30 percent who registered as independents and 28 percent who registered as Democrats.”

    ONLY 28% OF PEOPLE WHO REGISTERED TO VOTE REGISTERED AS DEMOCRATS!

    IN WV!!!!

  243. MichiganGuy says:

    LarrySabato’s Crystal Ball Senate Ratings:

    Republicans 49
    Democrats 45
    Toss-Ups 6
    .
    http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2018-senate/
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    His 6 toss-ups are:

    1.North Dakota
    2.Florida
    3.Arizona
    4.Missouri
    5.Indiana
    6.Nevada
    .
    The only one I see us possibly losing is Nevada.

  244. mnw says:

    Cow

    I understand that when Gov. Justice travels by helicopter, they sling a cargo net underneath for him.

  245. mnw says:

    Leaving ND as a tossup shows it’s just bullish*t.

  246. MichiganGuy says:

    Cash Cow is that really a surprise?? Trump won WV in a landslide. LOL

  247. Tina says:

    Yeah, last poll plus 12 in nd.

    Real toss up.

  248. MichiganGuy says:

    mnw, it shows though even Sabato knows the democrats have no chance of taking the Senate.

  249. Tina says:

    Daines will vote.

    This, per Trumo, jr. Mtheyncould good friends.

  250. Robbie says:

    This is good news.

    Elaina Plott
    @elainaplott

    Three hours later, this same source on Flake: “He’s in a good place,” citing further reading of interview transcripts and more “positive conversations.”

  251. Mr.Vito says:

    Fox is running the story some mentioned.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyer-for-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-gave-fbi-documents-for-russia-probe-sources

    “The FBI official who was contacted, James Baker, revealed the exchange to congressional investigators during a closed-door deposition Wednesday. He said Perkins Coie lawyer Michael Sussmann initiated contact with him and provided documents as well as computer storage devices on Russian hacking. The sources said Baker described the contact as unusual and the “only time it happened.”

  252. MichiganGuy says:

    “Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, hasn’t decided how he’ll vote on Judge Brett Kavanaugh, President Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee who has faced sexual assault allegations, Gardner’s office said late Thursday.”
    .
    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/10/04/cory-gardner-fbi-report-brett-kavanaugh/

  253. Cash Cow TM says:

    CARG0 NET!

    Good one!
    _____
    mnw,

    WV still has more registered Ds than Rs….

    Walt ran and won in a district that only had 27% registered Rs….
    _____________________________
    And speaking of WV…
    Former congressman Evan Jenkins was sworn in on the WV Supreme Court earlier this week…one of two Gov. Justice appointments to replace 2 justices that resigned.

    JENKINS was from WV CD3 and in the R primary race for U.S. Senate to challenge Manchin, Jenkins lost to Morrisey (WV AG).
    ###################################
    Pro-Morrissey groups went negative on Jenkins and I am sure that caused bad blood between H+Jenkins and Morrisey.

    I do not know if Jenkins (and his primary vote supporters) have forgiven the Morrisey camp for those unfair attacks.

    It will be interesting to see what the votes are in November in WV CD3 (southern WV). Could be Morrisey’s worst showing in that section of the state. If that prognosis is correct, and Morrisey loses to Manchin, then Morrisey should be having remorse about going negative on Jenkins–who is a good guy.

  254. Tina says:

    FFFFlakey needs a shrink.

    Much like the one who saw Edsel Ford.

  255. Cash Cow TM says:

    I think the most recent FBI investigation of Kavanaugh was pitiful…

    only interviewed 9 peeps, plus took one additional sworn statement…
    ############################
    Only 9 people interviewed out of a country of over 300,000,000! 🙂 (just foolin…)

  256. Mr.Vito says:

    What about Blankety-Blankenship, Walt?

  257. dblaikie says:

    Media likes to whip a big story. However I don’t think Mitch would go full steam ahead if he didn’t have the votes.

  258. Mr.Vito says:

    1000 pages for nine people, huh?

  259. Mr.Vito says:

    264 John McCain

    But maybe McConnell won’t get burned twice.

  260. GF says:

    Perhaps Cocaine Mitchie is playing Machiavellian after all; have a few members of the caucus announce uncertainty as to their votes, and lure the last couple of holdout Dems to either fold their hand and vote YEA or duck for cover and vote NAY.

    Wes would be proud (and, so would I!).

  261. Cash Cow TM says:

    “What about Blankety-Blankenship, Walt?”

    Courts ruled WV forbids him to be on the ballot.

    There is a 3rd candidate on the ballot for U.S. Senate
    Libertarian (a.k.a. Deadender) Rusty Hollen (from Clarksburg up in WV CD 1
    #####################################
    I figger he will get 3 or 4%…

  262. Mr.Vito says:

    268 Is he stirring up trouble though?

  263. Cash Cow TM says:

    Last I heard he said he was going to urge a write-in vote for U.S. Senate…but that was back a month or so ago…

    Dunno what he is up to…not my year to watch him..

  264. MichiganGuy says:

    “U.S. Capitol Police Charge 302 with Unlawfully Demonstrating in Senate Office Buildings”
    .
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/302-arrested-in-anti-kavanaugh-protests-at-senate-buildings
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    It’s about time!

  265. Tina says:

    57m
    GOP MT Sen Daines tells Kavanaugh “he has made arrangements to be there to get him across the finish line as needed.” Daines initially said he may miss the Sat confirmation vote. Daines’s vote is essential to get the math to work. Daines’s daughter is getting married in MT Sat pic.twitter.com/5naEq36edR
    View photo ·

  266. Bitterlaw says:

    Anonymous source = potential lie.

  267. Wes says:

    Ay Dios Mio…Mikey is now trying to help his buddy Schumer out by getting Republicans to pour money and resources into the very liberal Trump-hating state of Rhode Island. The Ocean State and the Sewer State of New Jersey are two states where Republicans are currently automatically doomed in Senate bids. It would be foolish if the NRSC targeted Whitehouse and Menendez when a plethora of much better pick-up opportunities have presented themselves.

  268. Tina says:

    Grassley and Hach are having too much fun.
    Grassley keeps firing off letters smacking Dr Frauds legal team, Krapz and Broom Schyster.

    And then hatch with his tweets and his confrontation with the soros groupies / come on grow up.

  269. Mr.Vito says:

    Grassley released the executive summary and findings of the FBI report.

  270. Tina says:

    BREAKING BOMBSHELL: Ford’s Friend Leland Keyser Told The FBI That Ford’s Allies Tried To Pressure Her Into Changing Her Statement! wsj.com/articles/frien…
    View summary ·

    Ruh roh.

  271. Tina says:

    @RealSaavedra
    Follow
    BREAKING: Wall Street Journal reports that Leland Keyser, Christine Blasey Ford’s friend, told FBI investigators that Ford’s “allies” were pressuring her to change her statement on what happened.
    10:25 PM – 4 Oct 2018

    Yikes, frauds friend, the ex fib agent, wanted Keyser to lie.

  272. GF says:

    Tina, I know most of your nicknames, but I’m drawing a blank on “Broom Schyster” (I know who “Krapz” is, though). Thanks!

  273. Mr.Vito says:

    A friend of Christine Blasey Ford told FBI investigators that she felt pressured by Dr. Ford’s allies to revisit her initial statement that she knew nothing about an alleged sexual assault by a teenage Brett Kavanaugh, which she later updated to say that she believed but couldn’t corroborate Dr. Ford’s account, according to people familiar with the matter.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/friend-of-dr-ford-felt-pressure-to-revisit-statement-1538715152

  274. Mr.Vito says:

    “A person close to the former classmates said it was her understanding that mutual friends of Dr. Ford and Ms. Keyser, including Ms. McLean, had contacted Ms. Keyser after her initial statement to warn her that her statement was being used by Republicans to rebut the allegation against Judge Kavanaugh.”

    McLEAN!!

  275. Mr.Vito says:

    thats the lie detector coachee according to the Ford boyfriend

  276. Mr.Vito says:

    Grassley now urgently requesting communications between Ford’s representatives and Feinstein and Hirono.

    hmmmmmm….

  277. Tina says:

    Broom Scyshter = Browich or whatever his name is.

    Former Fib, doj Counsel

  278. Tina says:

    Paging Jeff Sessions

    It appears that there is witness tampering by Edsel Ford and/or her attorneys.

  279. Mr.Vito says:

    Beto says he isn’t interested in Obama’s endorsement and then calls him one of the greatest presidents ever.

  280. Messy says:

    This year’s Nobel peace prize was won by a Yazidi anti-rape activist, who’s people were ravaged by ISIL. She deserved the award.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45759221

  281. Wes says:

    This is interesting but will do exactly nothing to help Hugin beat Menendez:

    https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/10/this_leading_pastor_says_menendez_takes_black_vote.amp

    It’s a shame too.

  282. NYCmike says:

    Hugin is self-funding, I believe, and a smart PR campaign in both NJ and RI will make the Dems have to commit their own $$ to those states.

    Wes, with all his supposed brilliance, doesn’t see how that helps ALL Republicans.

    Plus, there is always a chance.

  283. Wes says:

    If Hugin wants to throw his money away on a hopeless race let him. I have no problem with that.

    Let me know when the Dems take the bait on that, Mikey.

    There’s as much chance Republicans beat Menendez and Whitehouse as there is Corey has a five way with Gabrielle Haugh, Scout Taylor-Compton, Bipashi Basu, and Aman Khan.

    I’m not laying any money down on that possibility.

  284. Bitterlaw says:

    The Democrats do not have to spend any money in New Jersey. The GOP has a great candidate. Menendez will win. Both can be true.

  285. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t understand the nickname Cuckateers but Tina is into the nickname thing. I guess it is like musketeers and cuck gets another word past the filter but why 2 women and a man are cucks is a mystery.

  286. mnw says:

    BL

    Assuming you are serious, “cucks” is a word long used to describe weak Republicans who stand aside and allow Democrats to win, analogous to a man who enjoys watching his wife have sex with a stranger, i.e., cuckold.

  287. Bitterlaw says:

    I know the word cuckold. I don’t think it applies here. Tina’s nicknames are usually better.

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    I like the choices for the Nobel Peace Prize. An anti-rape activist and a doctor who treats rape victims. I know they did nor make the oceans fall like Obamacare but at least they are helping people.

  289. MichiganGuy says:

    Boom!
    .
    Friend of Dr. Ford Felt Pressure to Revisit Statement.
    .
    The FBI obtained text messages from MONICA McLEAN, Ford beach friend and former press agent of Schumer right-hand Preet Bharara, to LELAND KEYSER. The texts asked Keyser to “clarify” away her statement that she never met Kavanaugh!
    .
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/friend-of-dr-ford-felt-pressure-to-revisit-statement-1538715152

  290. Diamond Jim says:

    CCC

  291. Tina says:

    3.7 unemployment rate (matches the rate in 1969)

    134000 jobs ( a miss)

    87000 jobs added prior 2 mo.

  292. Mr.Vito says:

    It is amazing how the left can manage to hit a new low daily.

    Byron York
    ?Verified account @ByronYork
    8m8 minutes ago

    New Yorker: Kavanaugh has ‘seemingly weaponized crying, the way a little boy does when he’s in trouble.’ http://ow.ly/x3xE30m74tA

  293. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Ford’s friend was ‘blindsided’ when named as a witness dailym.ai/2QtQPqk via @MailOnline
    View summary ·

    Yesterday, it came out that she told fib that she was pressured to change her testimony by Dr. Frauds friend, a retired fib.

    The retired Fib friend hired a lawyah, who resigned abruptly from fib offer the Muh Russian hoax.

  294. Redmen4ever says:

    Did the FBI interview Nadia Murad and Dr. Denis Mukwege? How do we know Kavanaugh didn’t rape all those Yazidi women and Congolese women?

  295. Tina says:

    They need to take the votes early in the Am

    The Jebots cannot protest, they will be asleep.

    They wake up around 11 am.

    Create a safe space for FFFFFfakey.

  296. Tina says:

    Hopefully justice charges the former fib friend with lying and witness tampering,

  297. Tina says:

    87000 figure were the additional jobs added for the past two months.

    Last mo this number was revised upward significantly.

  298. mnw says:

    $11 million
    10/5/18
    Amount McCaskill’s husband has received from the
    “MO Low Income Housing Tax Credit” Program
    in the last 7 yrs.
    Washington Free Beacon

  299. Wes says:

    Recent polling has shown Hawley with a slight lead, Mnw. I think that balloons to a lead of several points on Election Day.

  300. mnw says:

    P.S. to 309

    Remember, though! Claire is voting NO on K because of her concerns about “dark money” in politics, not because of the rape allegations

    McC’s husband has never released his tax returns. The MO State Auditor, a Democrat at the time, reported that the MO Low Income Housing Tax Credit Program is rife with fraud & abuse, & that only 40 cents of each dollar actually gets spent on low income housing. The rest goes to middlemen, who buy up the tax credits & sell them to investment banks & hedge funds. Senator McCaskill’s husband is the largest of these middlemen.

  301. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    11m
    From colleague Jason Donner. Manchin arrives to again study the FBI rpt. Says he is still undecided. “I’ll probably be undecided until I walk in the door.” When asked what he’s weighing right now, Manchin replies “everything.”

    Howdy Doody is such a fraud.

  302. Tina says:

    Sasse is an official yes for Kavanaugh.

    He just released a statement.

  303. jason says:

    His 6 toss-ups are:

    1.North Dakota
    2.Florida
    3.Arizona
    4.Missouri
    5.Indiana
    6.Nevada
    .
    The only one I see us possibly losing is Nevada.”

    Maybe.

    However, we have seen these things kind of move in tandem.

    If its a better night for Rs than expected, we could wing 5/6 or even all of them. If its a bad night we might only win ND.

    At this point I would take 4/6 if offered.

  304. Tina says:

    29mtrump
    The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers
    View details ·

  305. jason says:

    Manchin replies “everything.”

    Yesterday he only cared about what Kavanaugh did from 23 onward.

    What a slimeball, geezus.

  306. mnw says:

    As I think I posted, I made another donation to Hawley yesterday. That’s my own response to the Freakfest. Some posters at other blogs suggest we should all call AK & ME senators & leave a pro-Kavanaugh recorded message on their answering machines! Let them know what voters 2000 miles away from other states THINK, by God!

    I like my way better.

    Hawley hasn’t done much with McC’s huge (documented) scandals so far. I assume he fears that only GOP partisans would care, & that negative ads would boomerang, perhaps. I keep waiting for the buzzsaw.

  307. Wes says:

    Sadly, Tina, West Virginians are the stupidest people in the history of the universe. Manchin has literally voted 100% against their interests but led the majority of polls.

    You just can’t a stupider person than an average West Virginian.

  308. Tina says:

    Rasmussen

    Trump 51 percent

  309. Tina says:

    Yup Wes, a very red state.

    Even more so than ever before under trump.

  310. jason says:

    Despite all the stupid attacks on Sasse here, he is a solid conservative who wants to see a conservative on SCOTUS.

    He can do that and still not like Trump.

    However, that is not good enough for mnw, who wants to primary him with a deadender so maybe we can put the seat at risk in ruby red Nebraska, and who knows, send more messages by electing a liberal.

  311. jason says:

    West Virginians are the stupidest people in the history of the universe”

    This may be true, but it seems like they have the smartest cows

  312. mnw says:

    just like jason wants to do in KS.

  313. Wes says:

    The Cult of Personality surrounding Trump has always bothered me, Jason. It reminds me of the same kind of blind adulation the Dems gave Obama to justify all his excesses . Trump has surprised me by being a largely conservative President in contrast to the leftist politics he espoused before running for President. Despite that, I don’t accept blind fealty to him as the criterion for whether a Republican should win or lose a primary or general election. He’s just one man, albeit a very important one, and remaking the party into mindless automata serving as his yes men is a foolish thing to do.

  314. MichiganGuy says:

    Debate begins. Grassley: “This should have been a respectable and dignified confirmation process”

  315. Tina says:

    Follow by SMS
    Chad Pergram Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    26s
    Grassley: The resistance is centered right here on Capitol Hill. They are encouraging mob rule!..I hope we can say no to mob rule by voting to confirm Judge Kavanaugh
    View details ·

    More Grassley!

  316. mnw says:

    Tina 321

    But wait, there’s more!

    RAS ALSO reports today that Trump’s net “strongly approve/strongly disapprove” number is -1. On this same corresponding date, Zero was at -11.

    Btw, this is Trump’s best JA number since March, 2017, i.e., shortly after he took office.

    I have to think a lot of this newish polling data makes the DEMs sweat.

  317. BayernFan says:

    If there was an alternative available to rank and file GOP voters….one who they thought could ride the whirlwind and give it as good as he/she gets….they probably would have nominated him/her. Plus, Trump is a hoot and is, at his core, an eternal optimist.

  318. Wes says:

    To be fair, Kobach is struggling because he’s a weak candidate. Moderate and liberal Republicans supported Brownback solidly from 1996 to 2010 and less so in 2014 because of his mismanagement of the state. Although a loyal Republican, Kobach has proved a weak candidate with poor voter appeal outside his base. That has been the reason for his failure to put a moonbat away with a leftist splitting her vote.

  319. mnw says:

    BF

    The man is made of stainless steel. I could never stand up to all that. Nor do I have anything like his ENERGY… & he’s older than I am!

  320. Hugh says:

    Save your money and send it to AZ

    Another stark example:

    Missouri Rising Action, a super PAC backing Republican Josh Hawley, yesterday got back numbers from pollster Jim McLaughlin showing Hawley leading Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) by 52-44.
    That’s a huge swing from the previous poll, in June, which had McCaskill leading Hawley 46-42.

  321. Robbie says:

    So Susan Collins is going to announce how she’ll vote at 3 PM which raises the question whether she’ll vote one way for cloture and another way on the confirmation.

    On top of that, Manchin will announce his decision when he votes on cloture this morning.

  322. mnw says:

    that & people like jason who would just give it to the DEM. SEND A MESSAGE, jason!

  323. Tina says:

    I feel that Erick Ericksons comments on trump today from his tweet match my opinion,

    I voted for him to stop Her Thighness, I did not expect much. I am surprised by his mammoth Regulation cuts, dismantling Isis, the tax cuts, and his Sc picks

  324. BayernFan says:

    mnw….. and he LOVES it.

  325. Wes says:

    Robbie puts on his tinfoil hat and sees conspiracies everywhere.

    Is your real name Travis Walton, Robbie?

  326. mnw says:

    Hugh

    I saw that. It’s just an internal, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t believe it. Too good to be twue in light of other polling.

    If I ever think Hawley has it put away like Cramer does, I’ll start sending donations to MT again. That’s my secondary target.

    I see Vicheytroll will keep eyeooring until the last second.

  327. Robbie says:

    Ed Henry suggested this morning on FoxNews the White House believes Murkowski will vote against Kavanaugh. Elaina Plott wrote in the Atlantic this morning Murkowski was critical of the move to push ahead with Kavanaugh so quickly at the Republican lunch this week.

    Collins might go in the opposite direction of Murkowski because she has a primary in 18 months. Murkowski doesn’t stand for election again for four years. This is why I’ve always been uncomfortable about how Murkowski will vote.

    If Murkowski votes “no”, McConnell should take away her committee chairmanship.

  328. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:00 am
    Robbie puts on his tinfoil hat and sees conspiracies everywhere.
    Is your real name Travis Walton, Robbie?

    – Give me a break. She’s given plenty of indications she’s favorable to this nomination, but separating the cloture vote from the confirmation vote leaves open the possibility she might split the vote.

  329. Tina says:

    I can see the Maine .Chicklet and Sen planned parenthood voting yes.

    Trumo won the cd in Maine in 2016.

    Planned Parenthood owes Mitchie.

  330. mnw says:

    GFY, moron

    Get the hell over to KOS.

  331. Wes says:

    Are black helicopters flying over your house,
    Robbie? Have men in black suits and white shirts visited your house recently? Did the government implant a tracking device in you?

  332. Robbie says:

    ABA now reopening their consideration of Kavanaugh as “well qualified” based on temperament issues.

    Terrible last minute effort to derail him.

  333. BayernFan says:

    So can we lose the cloture vote?

  334. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:06 am
    Are black helicopters flying over your house,
    Robbie? Have men in black suits and white shirts visited your house recently? Did the government implant a tracking device in you?

    – Yes, they’re flying a banner that says 1970.

  335. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:06 am
    So can we lose the cloture vote?

    – Considering Collins has announced a floor speech at 3 PM, I doubt it.

  336. mnw says:

    Every atty knows the ABA is just another leftwing lobbying group. The left captured it 30 yrs ago & now wears its skin suit.

  337. Wes says:

    I bet Robbie actually believes an alien spacecraft destroyed a Russian probe near a Martian moon 30 years ago.

  338. Tina says:

    Christine Blasey Ford’s “beach friend”– the one who worked for the FBI in the office of former Schumer staffer Preet Bharara–just so happens to be the FBI official who oversaw the Clinton e-mail and Trump Russia probes. What a coincidence! https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-official-who-helped-oversee-clinton-russia-probes-steps-down/2018/02/07/ab19f24e-0b69-11e8-8b0d-891602206fb7_story.html?utm_term=.753b7b6987a9
    6:51 AM – Oct 5, 2018

  339. Wes says:

    How many sojourns have you made to Area 51 to see the aliens from the Roswell crash, Robbie?

  340. MichiganGuy says:

    Tina, what happened to Larry Schweikart. He hasn’t tweeted in a week. Did he have information on Hillary? I hope not.

  341. Tina says:

    ler
    ?
    @markknoller
    “Simply no reason” to deny Kavanaugh a seat on the Supreme Court on the basis of the evidence, says Grassley. “It would be a travesty, if the Senate did not confirm the most qualified nominee in our nations history.” Urges Senate to “say no to mob rule” and confirm Kavanaugh.
    6:52 AM – Oct 5, 2018

  342. Tina says:

    Mg, he has been banned for a week. No clue as to why, but they also banned Rex and Thomas Wictor.

    He is on gab,

    But I do not know what that is.

    I miss his tweets. He always said to follow the party registration numbers, where available.

  343. Robbie says:

    Liam Donovan
    ?@LPDonovan

    Practically speaking, a cloture vote like this would ordinarily function as a proxy for the underlying measure. In this case, however, even if squishy Rs were going to bail on the nom, I suspect McConnell would demand they vote to proceed. Up or down, no procedural escape hatch.

  344. MichiganGuy says:

    Oh ok Thx.

  345. mnw says:

    Vicheytroll is so CONCERNED! As if.

  346. Tina says:

    Mg, the bans may be due to calling out Edsel Ford aka Dr. fraud.

    The fib ties to her are alarming.

    But notice what Wrong .Wray did, he did not take the bait.

    Wray delegated and did not try to make himself the center, like Comedy, a “life long Republican.”

  347. BayernFan says:

    Mitch going off on Booker etc.

  348. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:19 am
    Vicheytroll is so CONCERNED! As if.

    – Potentially, the next 20 years of the Supreme Court rests on the shoulders of Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Jeff Flake. If that doesn’t concern you, then ok.

  349. Robbie says:

    I would remind Wes that McCain voted yes on cloture for Obamacare repeal and then voted no on the bill.

    I am not predicting Collins will vote no. She has seemed far more open to voting yes than Murkowski ever has.

  350. mnw says:

    “Looks like Hillary may carry MO!”

    Vicheytroll was so CONCERNED!

  351. Wes says:

    I would remind Robbie McCain had a personal vendetta against Trump and cast his vote to spite the President.

  352. SoHope says:

    I hope manchin and tester vote no and they are ripped a new one in West Virginia and Montana.

  353. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:29 am
    I would remind Robbie McCain had a personal vendetta against Trump and cast his vote to spite the President.

    – Oh and Flake doesn’t?

  354. BayernFan says:

    is pence there?

  355. Wes says:

    You can’t even keep up with your own thought process, Robbie. You were talking about COLLINS, not FLAKE. If you’re going to lob conspiracy theories, at least keep track of whom you’re talking about.

  356. Robbie says:

    The Hamlet on the Potomac

    Kelly O’Donnell
    @KellyO

    NEW: Flake watch on Kavanaugh vote >> Sources tell me that even this morning, “He is weighing a lot of concerns and factors.” I’m told he has not disclosed his intentions to at least some of his allies.

  357. Robbie says:

    I guess the FoxNews Senate producer has visited Area 51 as well.

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram

    Keep in mind that senators sometimes vote to bring debate to a close….and then vote another way later on the underlying issue.

    Yet, on other occasions, the cloture vote can predictive of how the final vote may go.

  358. jason says:

    ..Kobach has proved a weak candidate with poor voter appeal outside his base. That has been the reason for his failure to put a moonbat away with a leftist splitting her vote.”

    Yep, that is the real reason he is trouble, he sucks as a candidate.

    However mnw wants to blame me for the fact deadenders bypassed a perfectly good R sitting governor (conservative and Trump supporter) who would have easily won the the GE.

    This is always the reason deadenders lose or struggle. “They lack appeal outside the base of the party”.

    I am not against mounting a primary challenge to a sitting incumbent in all cases. But it should be someone that can also win the GE instead of just splitting the party and allowing the Dems to win.

    Kobach was a poor candidate from the get go. Now we are seeing the consequences. For the sake of the people of KS who don’t deserve a moonbat as Governor, I hope he prevails by one vote. I said the same thing about Roy Moore.

  359. BayernFan says:

    Murk is NO

  360. Robbie says:

    Remember what I said about Murkowski not having to worry about reelection for 4 years?>

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram

    Flake is a yes on Cloture. Murkowski a no

  361. Wes says:

    That’s actually rather surprising, Bay.

    I may get my 50-vote wish.

  362. Hugh says:

    Isn’t this the math for Collins? She votes no she loses her primary. She votes yes she probably wins her primary and has a chance to get relected.

  363. Robbie says:

    Manchin a yes.

  364. BayernFan says:

    Manchin just voted YES

  365. Cash Cow TM says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 9:38 am
    Sadly, Tina, West Virginians are the stupidest people in the history of the universe. Manchin has literally voted 100% against their interests but led the majority of polls.

    You just can’t a stupider person than an average West Virginian.
    ####################################
    The Cow Grammar Book says you should have typed
    “more stupid”…

  366. BayernFan says:

    Donnelly just voted NO

  367. Hugh says:

    I may be wrong about murk. If so she has 4 years to plan for her retirement.

  368. mnw says:

    So Flake may get the deciding vote, assuming Collins votes YES.

  369. Robbie says:

    McConnell should strip Murkowski of her chairmanship.

  370. BayernFan says:

    So collins and Manchin are likely YES tomorrow?

  371. BayernFan says:

    agree Robbie. phuq her.

  372. BayernFan says:

    so was Manchin the deciding vote today? lol

  373. Tina says:

    Murky is a dead ended.

  374. Wes says:

    While probably preferred, “more stupid” and “most stupid” are awkward constructions. Hence the allowance for the alternatives–“stupider” and “stupidest.”

  375. BayernFan says:

    So glad Alaska voters sent a message in 2010.

  376. mnw says:

    This is the thanks Mitch & the RNC get for saving her adz.

  377. BayernFan says:

    this still isn’t over

  378. Todd McCain says:

    I said the same thing about Murk.

  379. Robbie says:

    Glenn Kessler
    @GlennKesslerWP

    Manchin said his vote for cloture would be the same as his final vote. So with Murkowski a no and Manchin a yes, Collins could still vote no and then Pence would break a 50-50 tie and Kavanaugh slips through.

  380. mnw says:

    I thought her 2010 experience would scare her straight. I was very wrong.

  381. BayernFan says:

    gotta think Manchin will still be YES tomorrow?

  382. BayernFan says:

    Flake could still Flake tomorrow.

  383. DW says:

    I said all along over and over that Manchin has to vote Yes. A no vote ends his re-election prospects.

    So I am glad he is voting yes, but now the WV election for senate is over.

  384. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:55 am
    this still isn’t over

    – Yep. I’m not certain Manchin won’t fold in the next 30 hours. Nor am I certain Flake and Collins will hold either. Collins probably remains yes simply because of her primary in 2020, assuming she runs again. Flake is out to get a CNN or MSNBC gig and a teaching spot at Harvard. I can imagine Coons will be leaning on him hard over the next day.

  385. BayernFan says:

    Kevin Robillard
    ?
    Verified account

    @Robillard
    9m9 minutes ago
    More
    Democratic #TNSen candidate Phil Bredesen says he would be a YES on Kavanaugh.

  386. Wes says:

    Manchin can still vote No, DW.

  387. Wes says:

    Does anyone actually believe Bredesen would genuinely vote for Kavanaugh?

  388. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Does anyone actually believe Bredesen would genuinely vote for Kavanaugh?

    – No.

  389. Paul says:

    Is Collins 3:00 announcement just grandstanding?

  390. BayernFan says:

    tha kessler guy deleted his tweet about manchin voting yes tomorrow

  391. Todd McCain says:

    Very hard to imagine Manchin voting NO at this point .

  392. Robbie says:

    I didn’t think Manchin would be willing to be the vote that puts Kavanaugh over the top, but it may turn out that way with Daines not there tomorrow.

  393. mnw says:

    “Looks like Hillary may carry MO!”

  394. DW says:

    Daines will be there tomorrow.

  395. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:06 am
    “Looks like Hillary may carry MO!

    – LOL. This from a clown who says the Republican Party should pay attention to Newt Gingrich.

  396. sandiegocitizen says:

    Hopefully the Republicans pick up 2-3 Senate seats November, then Murkowski can be reduced to the role of an obscure backbencher with no influence whatsoever.

  397. bio mom says:

    I bet Murkowski is a yes tomorrow. She felt things were too rushed, hence a no on cloture. Since it passed, that is a done deal. Hopefully my instinct is correct.

  398. BayernFan says:

    Manchin strikes me as a guy who can wind up outsmarting himself.

  399. Robbie says:

    Welp.

    Glenn Kessler
    @GlennKesslerWP

    Deleting this tweet because I now see that Manchin pulled back from that and decided to keep people guessing till the final vote. He may not want to be the 50th vote.

  400. Waingro says:

    I look forward to supporting with $$$ whoever primaries Murkowski in 2022, even if it’s deadender Miller.

  401. BayernFan says:

    Quick Joe and Jeff!! Back to the SCIFF!!

  402. sandiegocitizen says:

    As I stated many times, Flake was going to be a yes vote. There is a difference between being affable and being weak.

  403. Robbie says:

    This is the point I’ve been making for a week.

    Jim Geraghty
    @jimgeraghty

    I hate to rain on the “we’ll make Murkowski pay for this vote!” parade, but she doesn’t face the voters again until November 2022.

  404. Todd McCain says:

    4 years is a long time away.

  405. Todd McCain says:

    417. I hate that I have been agreeing with Robbie so much lately….

  406. sandiegocitizen says:

    411. It is possible. Hope your right. It could have been her Flake act.

  407. mnw says:

    jason wil be here shortly to explain that Murkowski has an immaculate conservative voting record according to the ACU.

    Anyone who wants to take her out in a primary is a deadender!

  408. jason says:

    but it may turn out that way with Daines not there tomorrow.”

    Fake news by Amoral Scumbag.

    Daines will be there.

    “GOP Senator Steve Daines, whose daughter is getting married the day of the Kavanaugh vote, says he has made arrangements to help Kavanaugh ‘get across the finish line’

  409. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:18 am
    but it may turn out that way with Daines not there tomorrow.”
    Fake news by Amoral Scumbag.
    Daines will be there.
    “GOP Senator Steve Daines, whose daughter is getting married the day of the Kavanaugh vote, says he has made arrangements to help Kavanaugh ‘get across the finish line’

    – Wake up, fraud. I know Daines has said he’ll fly back tomorrow if needed. But if Collins, Flake, and Manchin flip (not my prediction), he won’t be needed.

  410. jason says:

    Anyone who wants to take her out in a primary is a deadender!”

    You could have taken her out long ago.

    But deadenders nominated deadender Miller, probably the stupidest senate candidate in History, who lost to a write-in.

    Maybe this time around you will have someone better than Miller, and I even I would support that.

    Only deadenders are responsible for the fact Murkowski is in the senate.

  411. Robbie says:

    Sure am glad Kay Ivey called for a sped up special Senate election and then refused to postpone it so we could have good ole’ Roy lose to Doug Jones.

  412. jason says:

    “I know Daines has said he’ll fly back tomorrow if needed.”

    “but it may turn out that way with Daines not there tomorrow”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag lies so much he can’t remember what lie he said last.

  413. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:20 am
    Anyone who wants to take her out in a primary is a deadender!”
    You could have taken her out long ago.
    But deadenders nominated deadender Miller, probably the stupidest senate candidate in History, who lost to a write-in.
    Maybe this time around you will have someone better than Miller, and I even I would support that.
    Only deadenders are responsible for the fact Murkowski is in the senate.

    – I remember when Joe miller locked press in a closet. he absolutely self destructed under the limelight.

  414. jason says:

    Sure am glad Kay Ivey called for a sped up special Senate election and then refused to postpone”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag repeating this canard again…zzzzzz.

    She didn’t speed up anything and of course a “delay” would not have gotten rid of Ray Moore.

    Complete Amoral Scumbag trash.

  415. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:23 am
    “I know Daines has said he’ll fly back tomorrow if needed.”
    “but it may turn out that way with Daines not there tomorrow”
    LOL
    Amoral Scumbag lies so much he can’t remember what lie he said last.

    – Hey, doofus. If Daines isn’t there and his vote doesn’t matter, he won’t have to fly back regardless of the outcome.

  416. jason says:

    jason wil be here shortly to explain that Murkowski has an immaculate conservative voting record according to the ACU”

    Huh, actually, no, Sasse has much more conservative record than Murkowski.

    But thanks for sharing.

    Look it up next time before saying something stupid.

  417. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:25 am
    Sure am glad Kay Ivey called for a sped up special Senate election and then refused to postpone”
    LOL
    Amoral Scumbag repeating this canard again…zzzzzz.
    She didn’t speed up anything and of course a “delay” would not have gotten rid of Ray Moore.
    Complete Amoral Scumbag trash.

    – The fraud clearly doesn’t remember how things went down.

    When Bentley appointed Strange, it was for the two year period leading up to the 2018 election. After Bentley resigned, Ivey moved up the vote date. If she hadn’t done that, Strange would still be a Senator today. He’d either be standing for election to fill the rest of Sessions’ term or he’d be a lame duck who had been beaten in a primary. Either way, he’d be a Senator you dummy.

  418. jason says:

    If Daines isn’t there and his vote doesn’t matter,”

    Still lying?

    You said he wouldn’t be there.

  419. Wes says:

    I have to agree with Jason:

    Had Republicans not nominated a certifiable narcissistic loon who had reporters beaten up by his security detail, Murkowski would have departed the Senate almost eight years ago.

    Miller. Lost. To. A. Write-in.

    Let that sink in for a second. He lost to someone whose name people had to actually write on the ballot. Maybe next time a competent prospective Senator would be in order if you want to punish Murkowski for this.

    By the way, I doubt this will be much of an issue in 2022. Murkowski will keep bringing home the bacon–the primary thing Alaskans care about–and placating her various bases of support.

    Kavanaugh will be on the Court by then, and any long-festering wounds over her No on cloture are likely to be healed. She can lose, but I think she’d stand a much greater chance of it if she were up in 2020 or she weren’t as good a constituent servant as she is.

  420. Robbie says:

    Phil Mattingly
    @Phil_Mattingly

    Sen. Lisa Murkowski is still in the Senate floor post-vote and has talked to several members of GOP leadership for more than 20 minutes, per @FoxReports .

  421. BayernFan says:

    More
    NEW – per @johnrobertsFox : the White House believes they have the votes to confirm #Kavanaugh
    They believe they will get #Manchin, #Flake and #Collins to vote “yes”
    #KavanaughConfirmation

  422. CG says:

    Yes, it is an irrefutable fact that Luther Strange would still be a U.S. Senator today if not for Governor Ivey’s actions in rescheduling the special election a year early.

    I always said that I had less faith in Murkowski voting yes than Flake or Collins. We will see. I think Kavanaugh gets confirmed very soon. I hope Senator Daines gets to enjoy his daughter’s wedding without having to leave early.

  423. Wes says:

    That’s not an endorsement by the way. I’m just stating reality.

    For the record, Murkowski is likely to work her ass off again to help Sullivan win his seat–amazing people forget how pivotal she was in his election over Begich–and earn reciprocal support from him in her own reelection bid.

  424. jason says:

    So Amoral Scumbag admits Ivey didn’t “speed up” anything.

    She did her job setting the election date, which is what Governor’s do when there is a vacancy.

    Zzzzzzz……..

  425. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:30 am
    By the way, I doubt this will be much of an issue in 2022. Murkowski will keep bringing home the bacon–the primary thing Alaskans care about–and placating her various bases of support.
    Kavanaugh will be on the Court by then, and any long-festering wounds over her No on cloture are likely to be healed. She can lose, but I think she’d stand a much greater chance of it if she were up in 2020 or she weren’t as good a constituent servant as she is.

    – I made this case several times over the last week to ten days. John Warner voted no on Bork in 1987 and then won re-election in 1990 with 80% of the vote. No Democrat bothered to challenge him and Republicans certainly didn’t quit on him.

  426. Todd McCain says:

    Also, wouldn’t surprise me if she votes to confirm. She was very critical of the rushed process even though didn’t seem rushed to me.

  427. Todd McCain says:

    If Kav is confirmed, this issue will be forgotten.

  428. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:32 am
    So Amoral Scumbag admits Ivey didn’t “speed up” anything.
    She did her job setting the election date, which is what Governor’s do when there is a vacancy.
    Zzzzzzz……..

    – She did speed it up, fraud. The election for the seat Strange held had already been set and it was November 6, 2018, moron. She moved it to early December 2017. Ivey absolutely sped up the date and she did so because there was a perception Bentley gave Strange the appointment to help with the investigation into corruption.

  429. CG says:

    Ivey sped up the election so it would be held earlier than it needed to be and earlier than tradition has dictated it would be. It’s pointless to try to deny that. I am sure she thought a Republican would win. Almost everyone did, but Trump’s biggest fans loved them some Roy Moore.

    In regards to Alaska and 2010, it is very possible that had she not run as a write-in, that Joe Miller would have lost to the Democrat.

    We will see how she votes in the end.

  430. jason says:

    The inference here by Amoral Scumbag is that Ivey somehow wanted to elect Moore, which is a lie.

    She set the election probably to benefit Strange, not screw him.

    She didn’t know the deadenders would nominate Moore with the help of a moron named Mo Brooks.

    Second, a delay would not have gotten rid of Roy Moore, unless there was some kind of coup to forcefully remove him from the ballot, a non-starter in Alabama.

  431. CG says:

    She changed the election with the hope that Strange would lose a primary, but not to Roy Moore.

    -jadon has conceded the point. Robbie did not say what he is suggesting he said.

  432. jason says:

    Yeah, I agree writing Murkowski’s obituary 4 years in advance is premature.

  433. mnw says:

    Brendan Kelly, corr-eee! Giant killer! Navy vet!

    I see you already pimped your trollblog today.

  434. Wes says:

    Robbie wasn’t saying that at all, Jason. I hate to defend him, but he in no way implied Ivey moved the election up to benefit Moore.

  435. CG says:

    Even if Roy Moore would have won the originally scheduled primary in 2018 (which is highly doubtful now), and even if he were currently trailing in the originally scheduled general election, Luther Strange would still be a Senator *today* and Doug Jones would not.

    Regardless of what Ivey intended, and with full acknowledgement that she acted lawfully in re-scheduling the election, she did speed it up and it did have an impact on the Senate balance of power.

  436. jason says:

    jadon has conceded the point.”

    zzzz…….

    I didn’t concede any point, so GFY.

    And Amoral Scumbag DID say what I “suggested” he did.

  437. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:37 am
    The inference here by Amoral Scumbag is that Ivey somehow wanted to elect Moore, which is a lie.

    – No, dipsh!t. The inference is Ivey screwed up the process and then didn’t use the legal “out” she had to prevent Moore from appearing on the ballot.

    Don’t be so stupid.

  438. sandiegocitizen says:

    I’m sorry, but Daines was elected to represent Montana, and in a close
    vote he should be there for something this important. Reschedule the wedding around the vote.

  439. Wes says:

    If anything, because of the Bentley taint, Ivey was probably hoping Brooks would beat Strange. I doubt any elected Republican in Alabama wanted Moore to win. He was already known as a weak candidate.

    They knew he would make it harder to defend the seat. They probably just didn’t realize he was damn near Christine O’Donnell level bad.

  440. Tina says:

    The loons are targeting FFFFlakeys office.

    He may be buried by Soros.

    Or maybe the mullahs?

  441. CG says:

    I think this is one of the instances where everyone on here, who might tend to hate each other for other reasons, agrees with the realization that jason is an amazingly shameless liar.

  442. jason says:

    with full acknowledgement that she acted lawfully in re-scheduling the election,”

    I see Corey has conceded my point.

    Excellent.

  443. Wes says:

    SDC, what if the daughter doesn’t want to or can’t reschedule the wedding for some reason? You do realize it’s not Daines’ personal wedding, I hope.

  444. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:40 am
    jadon has conceded the point.”
    zzzz…….
    I didn’t concede any point, so GFY.
    And Amoral Scumbag DID say what I “suggested” he did.

    – No. I did not, idiot.

    She mangled the process by moving up the date.

  445. CG says:

    What’s going to happen if they have to vote on Monday?

    Will DNA evidence be found that Kanvaugh killed OJ’s ex-wife?

    If they have to vote on Monday, let them vote on Monday. The pressure isn’t going off Manchin.

  446. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:42 am
    with full acknowledgement that she acted lawfully in re-scheduling the election,”
    I see Corey has conceded my point.
    Excellent.

    – You said she didn’t speed up the process. You just conceded my point, idiot liar.

  447. jason says:

    and then didn’t use the legal “out” she had to prevent Moore from appearing on the ballot.”

    Legal out my ass.

    Moore won the primary, so forcefully removing him from the ballot based on unproven allegations would have been politically untenable in AL.

    But of course you know that.

  448. Wes says:

    For instance, SDC, I’m pretty sure the daughter has a place rented for the wedding. What if it’s booked up and isn’t available for another year or so? Is she supposed to put her life on hold because the Dems went into the gutter and then the sewer to try to take down Kavanaugh?

  449. hugh says:

    in murks last primary she lost to a moron without this vote for BK. She is toast in 4 years period if she votes no. She would not win a write in campaign against a moron. Every ad will be about this.

  450. CG says:

    Robbie did not say that Ivey did anything illegal. He criticized her for a political miscalculation.

  451. BayernFan says:

    462. Another easy one.

    YES

    It’s not about her. She can get hitched in the courthouse, Or on the Senate floor.

  452. CG says:

    The Helena Hilton is probably booked for months.

  453. jason says:

    She mangled the process by moving up the date.”

    Goal post are moving….

  454. Wes says:

    I’m about the most strident opponent of how the ALGOP handled last year’s special election on here. I see nothing Jason’s saying in any comment Robbie or Corey has posted on this issue.

    These are the facts:

    1) Ivey did move up the election from its previously scheduled time.

    2) Ivey could have retroactively rescheduled it once the allegations about Moore came out but did not.

    No one has said or implied she did this to benefit Moore. She did drop the ball for whatever reason, but no one has said Ivey was intentionally running defense for Moore.

  455. jason says:

    What’s going to happen if they have to vote on Monday?”

    Corey is always in favor of just keep extending this so eventually we run out of time and new allegations keep coming.

    At some point you have to bring down the hammer.

    Now is the time. Actually 3 weeks ago was the time.

  456. Wes says:

    Her wedding is about her, Bay. Did you ever think maybe she has had this planned out for months and may not want to upend her own life for a Senate vote her father has already said he will make sure to cast?

    I thought Republicans were the party of family values. Now they’re telling me at the last minute people unconnected to the process should suspend their weddings because of confirmation votes.

  457. jason says:

    Ivey could have retroactively rescheduled it once the allegations about Moore came out but did not.”

    Do you think that would have kept him off the ballot?

  458. CG says:

    Oh please jason. I am more in favor of the Kavanaugh confirmation than you are. When the vacancy occurred, you warned that nobody should be nominated who might oppose Roe v. Wade and indicated you would be willing to have it be a litmus test.

  459. Robbie says:

    Kasie Hunt
    @kasie

    Lisa Murkowski tells @frankthorp she changed her mind on how to vote *on the way in to the chamber*

  460. Tina says:

    Maybe the Drats will be nice and accommodate Danes?

    Feel bad for him.

    That is a once in a lifetime opportunity

  461. Wes says:

    I want Kavanaugh to make it to the Court as much as anyone else on here. I don’t think it’s fair to expect Steve Daines’ daughter to reschedule a huge event in her life she’s probably been planning for months or years because of a Senate vote though–especially when Daines has already said he’ll make arrangements to do what’s necessary.

  462. Tina says:

    So, howdy doody will vote yes?

  463. jason says:

    I think this is bigger than any wedding.

  464. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:47 am
    She mangled the process by moving up the date.”
    Goal post are moving….

    – Wrong, dips!t. I’ve been making that case since last November.

  465. CG says:

    Daines and his home state colleague Tester should cut a deal.

    Neither votes. Daines gets to go home to Montana for his daughter’s wedding and Tester spends the night at Sizzler for all you can eat..

  466. Wes says:

    Well, Jason, rescheduling the election would have triggered a new primary. With Moore’s salacious past out there, there’s a good possibility a non-destructive Republican could have beaten him and won the seat.

    We don’t know, but the chances of that are much higher than that even Alabama was going to support a showboating Fob James clone with multiple credible accusations of ephebophilia in his background.

  467. Robbie says:

    Murkowski was probably never going to vote for Kavanaugh. That’s why she never could come to a decision until the end. She was always looking for a reason to bail on him and Ford gave her a reason.

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    “I believe Brett Kavanaugh is a good man,” she says. But he’s “not the right man for the court.”

  468. BayernFan says:

    no one is stopping her from getting married tomorrow, Wes.

  469. jason says:

    I don’t think it’s fair to expect Steve Daines’ daughter to reschedule a huge event in her life she’s probably been planning for months or years because of a Senate vote though–especially when Daines has already said he’ll make arrangements to do what’s necessary.”

    I don’t agree.

    Sometimes in life events interfere with long established plans. Sickness, accidents, weather, all kinds of unforeseen events. Happens all the time. You can overcome that.

    This is something that could impact decisions on SCOTUS for decades.

    If it was my wedding, or my daughter’s wedding, I would certainly think it was important enough to re-schedule.

  470. Wes says:

    To all of you prioritizing the vote over the wedding, I understand. At the same time, none of us is involved in the wedding. Maybe we should leave this up to the bride and groom–since they are the people central to the event.

  471. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Well, Jason, rescheduling the election would have triggered a new primary. With Moore’s salacious past out there, there’s a good possibility a non-destructive Republican could have beaten him and won the seat.
    We don’t know, but the chances of that are much higher than that even Alabama was going to support a showboating Fob James clone with multiple credible accusations of ephebophilia in his background.

    – Had the election been delayed as was legal, there was going to be an effort to force him to quit and the state party could have thrown him off the ballot.

    It wasn’t until Steve Bannon intervened with Trump that Trump decided not to ask Moore to quit. Before that, Hannity and Ingraham both called on him to think about quitting and even floated names.

  472. Wes says:

    Well, take it up with her and her prospective husband, Jason. Did you ever think maybe they don’t share your psychology? Did you ever think to some people maybe their relationship is a bit more immediately important to them than a confirmation vote?

    I could understand if Daines were getting married, but he’s not. It’s his daughter. She gets the call on this and is apparently, insofar as we know, not interested in putting her life on hold for Kavanaugh.

    That is her right by the way.

  473. CG says:

    Daines’ title of father should be more important to him than Senator. McConnell will be able to work this out. Asking someone to miss their daughter’s wedding for an unusually scheduled occurrence is wrong.

  474. Robbie says:

    kelly cohen
    @politiCOHEN_

    BREAKING- unless something changes, JEFF FLAKE tells reporters outside the capitol that he is voting YES on KAVANAUGH

  475. Wes says:

    I don’t see the big deal honestly. Daines has said he will make arrangements to vote for Kavanaugh despite the wedding. That should be the end of it.

    I’m certainly not going to ask the daughter to reschedule her whole life because the Dems played gutter politics with Kavanaugh.

  476. jason says:

    Well, Jason, rescheduling the election would have triggered a new primary”

    Amoral Scumbag said Ivey should have delayed the election so Roy Moore could be removed from the ballot.

    I don’t think that would have been politically viable.

    I don’t remember a new primary being an option, will take your word for it.

  477. jason says:

    Daines and his home state colleague Tester should cut a deal.

    Neither votes. Daines gets to go home to Montana for his daughter’s wedding and Tester spends the night at Sizzler for all you can eat.”

    This is a good idea, actually.

    Do you need 50 votes or just a majority?

  478. hugh says:

    Well in front of all of you and God, I admit it looks like I was terribly wrong about Murk. Grave political mistake on her part. I suspect she will here a lot now from those who are unhappy with her in Alaska.

  479. CG says:

    “Majority of those present and voting.”

  480. jason says:

    unless something changes, ”

    Geezus….

  481. Robbie says:

    What are the chances Murkowski eventually become a Democrat and Manchin eventually become a Republican?

    Probably low, but who knows in a year or two. Manchin might do so next year. Murkowski might after 2021 if Democrats win back the Senate in 2020.

  482. Wes says:

    The Senate requires only a majority of the Senators present. If a Senator doesn’t show, it’s the equivalent of voting Present.

  483. mnw says:

    Flake is YES, per multiple sources.

  484. jason says:

    So Corey did come up with a good idea.

    I wonder if Daines thought of that.

  485. Todd McCain says:

    Flake just told Hill reporters he is a YES.

  486. Diamond Jim says:

    D iamond Jim

  487. CG says:

    I have several phone calls to make now to Washington D.C. area Sizzlers….

  488. Wes says:

    1) Murkowski comes from a prominent GOP political family in a largely Republican state. She won’t switch.

    2) Manchin is a liberal answering to the beck and call of the DNC. He won’t switch either.

  489. mnw says:

    Maybe McConnell DOES have this covered after all.

  490. jason says:

    I don’t think Murkowski becomes a Dem, at least not for the purposes of getting re-elected.

    I doubt she would win a Dem primary, let alone the GE.

  491. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 12:03 pm
    unless something changes, ”
    Geezus….

    – Hamlet on the Potomac.

    Basically, he’s begging Coons and the press to persuade him.

  492. Phil says:

    Not worried about Daines and the wedding. That will be worked out. I’m furious with Murkowski, however.

  493. jason says:

    If Flake made that statement himself, I don’t think he flips again.

    At some point you would think he would have some self respect.

  494. CG says:

    Murkowski is the one screwing over Manchin here..whether that was her intent or not.

    From my calculations, if Manchin and Flake and Collins are all voting yes, the vote passes and Daines doesn’t have to be there. (and Clarence Thomas gets off the hook for the closest yes vote ever)

  495. Tina says:

    Mitchie has it all covered.

    He shed the rino clothes since he had an encounter with the Soros Goons in the street.

    Re,beer, the incident, the goons wanted to beat him up, a disabled man at that.

    Then, his wife went full ninja and the soros goons backed off.

  496. Todd McCain says:

    Manchin probably did a deal with Trump.

    A vote for KAV in exchange for Trump doing no more big MAGA rallies in WV.

  497. Tina says:

    At some point you would think he would have some self respect.

    But he is bought and paid for by the Chinese and Mullah lobbies.

  498. Tina says:

    Way to go Mute 43. He lobbied Senator planned parenthood and she goes full drat.

    She is a dead ender.

    Bought and paid for by planned parenthood and .china.

  499. DW says:

    If Daines’ daughter was smart, she would set up a GoFundMe asking for help to defray the costs of moving the wedding. She would probably end up with so much that they would be set to pay cash for a new house, etc.

  500. CG says:

    Yeah, blame GWB for Murkowski voting no, even if he might have gotten Flake and Collins to yes.

    Surely, the current Republican President needs to be excused on these matters…

  501. Robbie says:

    Something tells me no Republican nominee was ever going to be the right person for the Supreme Court in Murkowski’s mind.

  502. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 5, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Way to go Mute 43. He lobbied Senator planned parenthood and she goes full drat.
    She is a dead ender.
    Bought and paid for by planned parenthood and .china.

    – Don’t be so stupid.

  503. Tina says:

    It just shows you what a deadender Planned parenthood is.

    Saved by Mitchie, and then she stabs him in the back.

    The beotch needs to be stripped of her committee assignments and primaried.

  504. Tina says:

    At least FFFFlakey did not flake

  505. DW says:

    “At least FFFFlakey did not flake…”

    …yet. I don’t trust him. All it takes is one protester’s shouting to convince him to change his mind again.

  506. sandiegocitizen says:

    It is possible that Daines pairs off with a Democrat who cannot attend, who would vote against. Tester as an example.

  507. sandiegocitizen says:

    520. Reading past comments, see a lot of posters have suggested the same.

  508. jason says:

    At some point you would think he would have some self respect.

    But he is bought and paid for by the Chinese and Mullah lobbies.”

    I doubt it.

    I think Flake wants to be seen as a fair, impartial, non-partisan guy, in an extremely partisan environment.

    In other words, he the wrong person in the wrong place.

  509. jason says:

    he the wrong person?

    I blame that one room schoolhouse in the Andes.

  510. Albert Hodges says:

    Lisa M. voting no for cloture gives her cover for saying she wasn’t happy with the FBI investigation and wanted it to continue but that BK is worthy of being confirmed. This is possible but not likely.

    Collins the opposite can say she was happy with the FBI investigation but wanted someone else on the SCOTUS……this is possible but not likely.

    Manchin voted yes for cloture and could switch and vote no on confirmation claiming that he thought that discussion needed to end. This is EXTREMELY unlikely since his he had to pick one side or another POLITICALLY in his state and chose the people on WV OVER Schumer. WV wants BK confirmed by 30 points. PDJT won by over 40 points! He is NOT going to flip now…absolutely WORST of both worlds politically and Manchin is a SMART politician if nothing else.

    Flakey voted yes for cloture and could still vote no just like McCain did on Obamacare, he has NOT signaled any opposition to BK to date BUT he is Flakey so it is hard to put odds on what he will do.

    And you people bitching about Daines are just being ridiculous. He has ALREADY said he would make it back to vote IF NECESSARY. His daughter’s wedding has been planned for MONTHS. McConnell could have waited until LATER TONIGHT 10PM to call for cloture IF McConnell HAD ANY DOUBT that he didn’t have the votes. START THINKING PEOPLE.

    Sorry for the rant. It is just disheartening to see how wonderfully this has worked out for us given the Dems overreach and attempted smear job. SOMETHING was going to happen to try and stop the 5 conservative vote on the court if for no other reason that to stop the overturn of Roe vs. Wade. We are WINNING this, folks. We are ALL patriots and MAGA but we don’t need to act like conservative versions of Daily Kossacks at the same time.

    In my opinion.

  511. Albert Hodges says:

    Also, PDJT’s approval NATIONALLY is at 51% with the lowest strongly approve/strongly disapprove rating (-1) since MARCH 2017. Can you IMAGINE what that is in ND, MO WV, FL, IL, and MT?

    And Flakey just announced he is a YES on confirmation!

  512. Todd McCain says:

    Murkowski NOW says shes undecided on the confirmation vote.

  513. jason says:

    USA Today

    Sen. Jeff Flake voted Friday to advance Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court to a final Senate vote this weekend, and made clear that he planned to vote yes on the embattled judge unless something big changed in the process.

  514. BayernFan says:

    527…

    lololol

  515. jason says:

    Murkowski NOW says shes undecided on the confirmation vote.”

    geezus…

  516. sandiegocitizen says:

    Its all good for the Republicans. Looks like Kavanaugh will be confirmed, and the mob actions of the Democrats have discredited them.

  517. Phil says:

    This has worked out well. Democrats have badly miscalculated. It will bite them in four weeks at the polls. The left couldn’t help themselves. TDS.

    Bredesen said he would have been a yes?

    Lying MF.

  518. CG says:

    Murkowski should just go all out at this point and say she will vote yes if Trump resigns the Presidency (have Flake and Collins join in).

    Kavanaugh gets confirmed and Pence is still President for those who want future conservative judicial picks.

    Win win for everyone.

  519. bio mom says:

    McConnel can keep the vote open as long as he needs to. Diane’s could vote at 3 in the morning if needed. I worry more about a federal judge trying to stop things.

  520. BayernFan says:

    what is the source on Murkowski

  521. dblaikie says:

    Where is the link that Murkowski is now undecided?

  522. BayernFan says:

    UPDATE 12: 30 p.m. EST: Murkowski confirmed to reporters that she will be a “no” in the final vote and said she made up her mind this morning. “I believe we are dealing with issues that are bigger than a nominee,” she told reporters after the cloture vote.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/murkowski-becomes-first-gop-senator-to-vote-against-kavanaugh/

  523. lisab says:

    actually the dems can stop the vote if daines is not there

    you need 51 senators for a quorum

    if daines is not there, the dems can simply walk out, and they cannot hold a vote — although one dem would have to ask for a roll call and then step out when his/her name was called

  524. lisab says:

    “I believe we are dealing with issues that are bigger than a nominee,”

    i read that as roe v wade or pp funding

    but also keep in mind, that she can say that K does not need her vote

    and that had she been needed she would have voted yes

  525. Todd McCain says:

    In was on twitter but looks like it was fake news.

  526. lisab says:

    Murkowski might after 2021 if Democrats win back the Senate in 2020.
    ————————

    he cannot help himself

  527. lisab says:

    murk and manchin could also have a deal

  528. Wes says:

    Robbie probably thinks Cydonia on Mars has actual pyramids and a face, Lisa.

  529. BayernFan says:

    I gotta believe that Mitch knows whats up. and that Collins gave him a heads up.

  530. lisab says:

    obama still trying to take credit for the economy

  531. lisab says:

    i put water that was too hot into my french press

    and my coffee is a little sour 🙁

  532. lisab says:

    i blame kavanaugh

  533. Wes says:

    It’s amazing how Obama found a way to blame GWB for everything bad during his presidency and take personal credit for everything good.

    One might almost call such actions self-serving.

  534. jason says:

    Win win for everyone.”

    Only for coup plotters trying to overturn the results of the election.

    Pence was not elected President. Trump was.

    Deal with it.

  535. dblaikie says:

    I believe the vote will be yes for the Judge. But if it isn’t I believe that Trump’s hand will be forced to do either of these two things.
    1. Renominate Judge Kavanaugh. Take the nomination to the nation. What a wonderful populist thing to do. It will doom the red state democrats. And finally it states that he is willing to fight for Kavanaugh’s good name.
    2. Nominate Amy Barriet (I don’t know spelling) right away. This will send to the Trump base that he will not be differed from nominating conservative, Constructionist Judges and will be a way to keep GOP enthusiasm up.

    Personally I hope he picks 1.

  536. jason says:

    Flake told an MSNBC reporter that he will be a “yes” vote on Kavanaugh “unless something big changes.”

    “I don’t see what would,” Flake added. “But anyway, I’m glad we had a better process.”

  537. jason says:

    I am not sure about renominating Kavanaugh.

    The objective here is to get a conservative on SCOTUS, not fighting for Kavanaugh’s good name

    I hope he gets confirmed tomorrow.

    If not, I think Trump needs to nominate someone else.

    Unfortunate, but necessary.

  538. dblaikie says:

    I agree that is the goal. To reach that goal he needs to increase majority in Senate. Renominating Brett K. would do that I believe.

  539. mnw says:

    If it was me instead of Mitch, I’d call Daines back right NOW & have Pence in the chair an hour early.

    I don’t care a damn about arguments to the contrary.

  540. Mr.Vito says:

    Ben Shapiro
    ?Verified account @benshapiro
    5m5 minutes ago

    Ben Shapiro Retweeted Paul McLeod

    She said this to justify not voting for a man denied the presumption of innocence and due process by those indicting him for uncorroborated allegations

    Ben Shapiro added,
    Paul McLeod
    Verified account @pdmcleod

    This Murkowski quote sums up her no vote on Kavanaugh: “If people who are victims, if people feel that there’s no fairness in our system, particularly within our courts, we’ve gone down a path that is not good and right for this country.”
    Show this thread

    49 replies 140 retweets 458 likes

  541. jason says:

    Reuters saying Murk is still undecided?… posted at Predicit fwiw

  542. DW says:

    Murkowski is dead to me.

  543. Mr.Vito says:

    Dem SuperPAC PrioritiesUSA says it won’t help Bredesen because he announced support for Kavanaugh.

  544. jason says:

    Renominating Brett K. would do that I believe.”

    No it won’t.

    He still won’t be confirmed, so the gains are just “messages”.

  545. Hugh says:

    558. Good to know the dems now have their own deadenders

  546. Mr.Vito says:

    “He still won’t be confirmed, so the gains are just “messages”.”

    It would be used as a 2018 midterm referendum, per Lindsey Graham, the idea being to win some Senate seats and confirm him.

  547. Mr.Vito says:

    Senator Bob Corker
    ?Verified account @SenBobCorker
    4h4 hours ago

    Transferring the countless injustices that have happened to women for decades onto a person who had nothing to do with them is an injustice, just as seeking to elevate one’s own political stature by wrongly destroying someone else’s reputation is an injustice.

  548. DW says:

    It is a very scary country to live in if all it takes to bring your doom is an accusation. With MeToo weaponized, any political enemy or any enemy of any kind can be wiped out. If someone doesn’t like the pastor of her church, all it takes is one accusation and he is gone, and has lost his job and his occupation, and his reputation. If a woman doesn’t like her boss in the office, just one accusation and he’s gone. That’s the country Murkowski says she wants. If I lived in Alaska, I would file today to run and would start the campaign to primary her today.

  549. Mr.Vito says:

    Rueters: “This has truly been the most difficult … decision that I’ve ever had to make,” Murkowski told reporters. “I believe he’s a good man. It just may be that in my view, he’s not the right man for the court at this time.”

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney

    “I believe Brett Kavanaugh is a good man,” she says. But he’s “not the right man for the court.”

    …………………

    These are not the same.

  550. dblaikie says:

    She is probably still a no. But Reuters wouldn’t keep that on their homepage if they didn’t know something.

  551. Mr.Vito says:

    Derek T. Muller
    ?Verified account @derektmuller

    27 Senators have served continuously since 2005. Comprehensive list of those who voted to confirm Roberts, Alito, Sotomayor, Kagan, & Gorsuch:
    1. Collins
    2. Graham
    8:59 AM – 5 Oct 2018

  552. Waingro says:

    Lets Go!!

    Steven Dennis
    ?Verified account @StevenTDennis
    2m2 minutes ago

    Fair to say Collins would shock the world if she comes into the chamber at 3 p.m. after lunch with McConnell and announce she’s voting to tank Kavanaugh nom.
    0 replies 10 retweets 15 likes
    Steven Dennis
    ?Verified account @StevenTDennis
    3m3 minutes ago

    If Roy Moore had won we’d have no drama right now. Collins’ vote wouldn’t matter.
    6 replies 5 retweets 20 likes
    Steven Dennis Retweeted
    Frank Thorp V
    ?Verified account @frankthorp
    9m9 minutes ago

    MCCONNELL says he just had lunch with with a group of Senate republicans including @SenatorCollins: “We’re heading towards a final vote tomorrow afternoon, and I’m optimistic.”
    10 replies 71 retweets 49 likes

  553. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    FWIW
    As to whether Manchin would switch his vote on the floor, a source close to him says, “He’s never done that before, because he wouldn’t want to have the John Kerry problem.”

    — Elaina Plott (@elainaplott) October 5, 2018

  554. Waingro says:

    Lets Go!!

    Nathan Brand
    ? @NateRBrand

    Nathan Brand Retweeted Al Weaver

    NEWS: Schumer gives Manchin permission to vote YES on Kavanaugh in desperate effort to give Senate Democrats a majority next year. #WVsen

  555. Redmen4ever says:

    I’m already getting tired from winning and – what? – I have to deal with winning on weekends too?

  556. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 5, 2018 at 12:35 pm
    This has worked out well. Democrats have badly miscalculated. It will bite them in four weeks at the polls. The left couldn’t help themselves. TDS.

    – Remains to be seen if the anger persists until election day, but this is the first time Republicans have had any unified momentum since the 2014 election.

  557. jason says:

    Transferring the countless injustices that have happened to women for decades onto a person who had nothing to do with them is an injustice, just as seeking to elevate one’s own political stature by wrongly destroying someone else’s reputation is an injustice.”

    NYC to call Corker a RINO traitor in 3, 2, 1….

  558. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 5, 2018 at 12:51 pm
    Robbie probably thinks Cydonia on Mars has actual pyramids and a face, Lisa.

    – Go back to saying Jeb. It makes more sense than this garbage you’re pushing today.

  559. dblaikie says:

    Fox News confirms that Lisa Murkowski is still undecided. Who knows?

  560. jason says:

    Frankly I don’t think Manchin asked Schumer for permission.

    I am sure Schumer did not give him permission to vote yes on cloture.

  561. CG says:

    I like the way Corker skillfully jabs at Democrats, Murkowski, and Trump all in one Tweet, and is completely accurate about it all.

    Well done.

  562. Mr.Vito says:

    “NEWS: Schumer gives Manchin permission to vote YES on Kavanaugh in desperate effort to give Senate Democrats a majority next year. #WVsen”

    Ummm…

    All Morrissey would have to do is run ads with this tweet.

  563. BayernFan says:

    I bet she is catching Holy Hell for that he’s a good man but no tweet.

  564. jason says:

    If you read Murks exact statement, there IS a little wriggle room…

    This has truly been the most difficult … decision that I’ve ever had to make,” Murkowski told reporters. “I believe he’s a good man. It just may be that in my view, he’s not the right man for the court at this time.”

    It just MAY be…..

  565. jason says:

    It’s a dumb statement.

    She already said he is is qualified.

    Then he is a good man.

    What else do you need?

  566. Mr.Vito says:

    “What else do you need?”

    Abortion on demand.

  567. Proud Obamacon says:

    RAM HIM THROUGH BOYS!!

    LOL

    Do it! Confirm the Good Judge!

  568. BayernFan says:

    She is also not up to the job. You can bet that Joe MIller would not have hedged.

  569. jason says:

    Corker is a good man.

    I am sorry to see him leave the Senate.

    Marsha is ok, but she won’t fill his shoes.

  570. CG says:

    Just speaking from her vantage point, if she won’t go all out for the Presidential resignation angle, she might as well demand Trump publicly apologize to Ford as a condition for her vote.

    2022 is a long way off for her next race, and if she has this leverage…

  571. Phil says:

    I have not been able to stand Corker. Having said that when he says something sensible I’m going to give him all the credit in the world not only for what he said which was right on the mark, but for making the effort to say it so in such a public way. Kudos, Senator.

  572. jason says:

    You can bet that Joe MIller would not have hedged.”

    Ah yes, we want that deadender moron in the Senate because he might have voted for Kavanaugh.

    He probably would have declared Kavanaugh a left wing communist because he said Roe vs. Wade was settled lae.

  573. CG says:

    Gianforte is making his private jet available to Daines this weekend if needed.

  574. Robbie says:

    Hard to see Murkowski walking back what she said earlier, but it is totally unfair for her to place the burden of sexual abuse against all women on the back of Kavanaugh.

  575. jason says:

    “she might as well demand Trump publicly apologize to Ford a

    Except that Trump said absolutely nothing about Ford that wasn’t true or that requires an apology.

  576. jason says:

    So in 45 minutes we know what Collins will do.

  577. CG says:

    It’s another example of something being like the OJ jury.

    The jury and many in the black community knew the evidence meant OJ was guilty, but a message for past injustices against the police had to be sent…

    Many Trump voters knew and know just how horrific he is, but because past injustices were done by the media and the left to Republicans, that made it ok..

    and with Kavanaugh, some want him to bear the burden of the actions of other men.

    Wrong on all counts.

  578. jason says:

    It’s probably unbecoming of a SCOTUS member, but I would like to see Kavanaugh sue the crap out of lot of these scumbags.

  579. CG says:

    591. That’s a matter of opinion, but who is the one who has the power here?

    All politicians want to cash in a huge chit when they can.

    Let’s say she truly was the deciding vote… would Trump not apologizing to save his ego be worth losing Kavanaugh?

  580. ReadyFirst says:

    Meanwhile, in the real world, absentee voting continues. Thank you Democrat’s!

  581. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 5, 2018 at 2:14 pm
    It’s probably unbecoming of a SCOTUS member, but I would like to see Kavanaugh sue the crap out of lot of these scumbags.

    – As a public figure, there’s very little he can do about having his reputation defamed. This may be an issue where Trump is on to something.

  582. dblaikie says:

    Kimberly Strassel from WSJ is pounding MUrkowski. I think these are devastating and maybe why she is all of a sudden undecided. Here is tweet number one: https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1048262663787036672

  583. Mr.Vito says:

    Sean Davis
    ?Verified account @seanmdav
    3h3 hours ago

    Sean Davis Retweeted David Leonhardt

    NYT reporter accuses Grassley of *anti-Semitism* for accurately noting that protesters in the Capitol are organized by George Soros-funded astroturf groups.

  584. jason says:

    ny Trump voters knew and know just how horrific he is, but because past injustices were done by the media and the left to Republicans, that made it ok.”

    BS.

    Yeah, a lot of Trump voters had reservations, but not because of the “injustices” done to Rs.

    They understood the alternative was even more horrific.

    At the time, I took the view that if you weren’t fit for the office it didn’t matter if you were an R or a D.

    But I said to those that felt you had to go with the lesser of two evils that I understood their vote.

    After seeing Trump in office for almost two years, I admit I was wrong about him not being fit for the office.

    In 2020, barring a better alternative that can win, I can see voting for him.

  585. dblaikie says:

    Here is tweet number 2. For me it is the worst and https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1048262665330614272will hit her hard when Alaskans read it:

  586. Mr.Vito says:

    —to potentially leave High Court at a 4-4 deadlock, putting the loony 9th circuit in control of everything that matters to Alaska–development, prop rights, gun rights, enviro rules, etc.

    ouch.

  587. jason says:

    As a public figure, there’s very little he can do about having his reputation defamed. This may be an issue where Trump is on to something.”

    You have to prove actual malice.

    In this case, I think you could.

  588. Proud Obamacon says:

    RAM HIM THROUGH!

  589. jason says:

    The jury and many in the black community knew the evidence meant OJ was guilty, but a message for past injustices against the police had to be sent…”

    I don’t agree with that either, come to think of it.

    First, the jury was not all black, only 9 of 12. It wasn’t a hung jury, it was acquittal

    Second, the defense was able to show (or make a good case) that some of the evidence was tainted. By doing that, they could attack the rest of the evidence as potentially tainted too. Add the racist cop to the story and you have introduced enough to justify reasonable doubt.

    Were some or all black jury members sympathetic to victims of police misconduct? Of course.

    Was that the only factor in OJ’s acquittal? No.

  590. Mr.Vito says:

    With a spear?

  591. jason says:

    RAM HIM THROUGH!”

    Poor marxist turd still not tired of losing I guess.

  592. CG says:

    I forgot from last year that jason was an OJ apologist.

    Let’s go with all the people (race is irrelevant, but this was clearly present in the African-American community) who cheered the OJ acquittal. Did they really believe he was innocent or was it about “the message?”

  593. Mr.Vito says:

    Verdict in Laquan McDonald case forthcoming.

  594. CG says:

    Everyone agrees based on what jurors said afterwards that the black members of the jury who wanted to vote not guilty were able to prevail on the white members (and at least one black as well) of the OJ jury who were inclined to vote guilty.

    Johnnie Cochran knew exactly what he was doing and it worked.

  595. jason says:

    LOL.. comment on Predictit

    “Instead of cutting myself I listen to liberal women on the senate floor, much darker self harm”

  596. CG says:

    I believe Van Dyke will be found guilty, at the minimum for 2nd degree murder.

    Chicago is expecting a possible combustible situation to say the least.

  597. Waingro says:

    “https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DowV1a0U0AITAPV.jpg

    When was this picture taken?”

    A day or so before Flake flaked last week.

  598. jason says:

    Everyone agrees based on what jurors said afterwards that the black members of the jury who wanted to vote not guilty were able to prevail on the white members (and at least one black as well) of the OJ jury who were inclined to vote guilty.”

    So what?

    I doubt they prevailed on the “we are victims of police brutality or whatever”.

    They prevailed because they could show (thanks to Cochran) that some of the evidence was suspect so they couldn’t convict.

  599. CG says:

    The physical evidence against OJ was overwhelming.

    Cochran focused on bad things police had done in the past. Mark Furhman saying the N word so much also didn’t help.

  600. jason says:

    I forgot from last year that jason was an OJ apologist.”

    Huh, you have the wrong dude.

    I always said I thought he was guilty as hell.

    I also said he was framed with some of the evidence.

    Both can be true.

  601. CG says:

    Just like you think Roy Moore was “framed.”

  602. jason says:

    Cochran focused on bad things police had done in the past”

    Nah…although sure that was part of the argument.

    But where he REALLY prevailed was the glove that wouldn’t fit and some of the sloppy lab work and evidence collecting.

    The “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.

    You really doubt THAT was the most compelling argument he made?

  603. CG says:

    Yeah, the jurors who found OJ innocent said they knew he was acting when he couldn’t get it to fit in the courtroom.

  604. CG says:

    But yes, the prosecution messed up too.

    Now, I am interested in the Van Dyke verdict that is about to be announced any second now..

  605. jason says:

    Just like you think Roy Moore was “framed.”

    I never said he was framed. He might well be guilty, OJ was certainly guilty.

    What I said was that the charges right before the election were an orchestrated hit by the MSM, and that I didnn’t think someone’s political career and personal life should be destroyed by uncorroborated 40 year allegations right before an election.

    I made clear Roy Moore shouldn’t even have been allowed to run as an R given his complete disregard for the rule of law and the constitution.

  606. jason says:

    Yeah, the jurors who found OJ innocent said they knew he was acting when he couldn’t get it to fit in the courtroom.”

    They ALL said that?

  607. CG says:

    I wonder if my brother is trying to get out of downtown..

  608. Mr.Vito says:

    “A day or so before Flake flaked last week.”

    Geez. Shivers.

  609. jason says:

    I know there is one jury member that 20 years later said the verdict was payback for Rodney King.

    But I also saw other interviews where jury members say the glove was an important piece of evidence that backfired on the prosecutors.

  610. mnw says:

    Here, it’s the OJ trial. At another blog where I lurk, it’s the Velvet Underground.

    Everybody killing time.

  611. CG says:

    Lou Reed was framed.

  612. BayernFan says:

    So whatever happened to Michael Barone? He used to be on Fox but I havent seen him in a few years there.

  613. CG says:

    Guilty of 2nd degree murder apparently…

    That’s not going to be good enough for many..

  614. jason says:

    75-25 Collins will vote yes at Predictit

    If you think she is a no, you can still cash in.

  615. Phil says:

    Manchin on his knees begging Collins to be a yes….Please, oh please, Susan. Save me!

  616. BayernFan says:

    For the record, I have ZERO confidence that Collins will do the right thing here. None.

  617. BayernFan says:

    that is not a prediction that she will be a NO.

  618. BayernFan says:

    how would that save Manchin? He has to vote one way or the other. Doesn’t matter which way… it’s gonna leave a mark. Doesn’t matter how others vote.

  619. Hugh says:

    I think Mitch has this. We will know soon. Watch murk change her mind now that the loonies had their say and now she hears from the voters

  620. Phil says:

    Manchin now seen on his knees praying in his office.

  621. mnw says:

    She could at least be PUNCTUAL.

  622. jason says:

    At Predictit

    “Breaking:
    Collins to come out as a man and claim that she/he was the one who abused Ford.”

  623. Phil says:

    Being the deciding vote against Kavanaugh is Manchin’s worst electoral nightmare in WV.

  624. jason says:

    CNN says body language of GOP senators indicates a Yes.

    Fwiw.

  625. DW says:

    TX_23 – R-Internal

    Hurd (R) 55%
    Ortiz-Jones (D) 30%

    538 says its a tossup. I know its an R-Internal, but wow, +25 lead. Lets see if the Dem responds with an internal. Silence is a nod that the GOP’s poll is correct.

  626. ReadyFirst says:

    She’ll be a yes.

  627. Robbie says:

    The start of Collins’ speech sounds like a yes.

  628. mnw says:

    Well, it would be a damn strange prelude to a NO!

    (STFU Vichey)

  629. BayernFan says:

    I think Manchin is hiding in the secret reading room…. and is pissed that Flake took the last Fresca.

  630. BayernFan says:

    do you still think she’s a yes?

  631. CG says:

    Manchin is desperately trying to break up Miss Daines and her fiancé.

  632. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 5, 2018 at 3:11 pm
    Well, it would be a damn strange prelude to a NO!
    (STFU Vichey)

    – The Trump populist who disappeared for years and thinks we should pay attention to Newt Gingrich has thoughts.

  633. mnw says:

    Listening to her livestream. Of course she’s YES.

  634. ReadyFirst says:

    Collins will be a yes, Kavanaugh will be confirmed and absentee votes will continue to be cast. Bad month for Dems.

  635. Todd McCain says:

    Palin indicates on Twitter a primary challenge to Murkowski.

  636. Waingro says:

    Sarah Palin
    ?Verified account @SarahPalinUSA

    Hey @LisaMurkowski – I can see 2022 from my house…

  637. Robbie says:

    Can’t help but notice two Republican woman are seated behind Collins. Good optics.

  638. CG says:

    Sarah Palin will no more run for the Senate in Alaska than I will.

  639. mnw says:

    I think she’s in love with him.

  640. jason says:

    At Predictit the odds of Rs holding the House…. 69% on the No and 37% on the Yes.

    About where I put it.

  641. NYCmike says:

    “Probably low, but who knows in a year or two. Manchin might do so next year. Murkowski might after 2021 if Democrats win back the Senate in 2020.”

    -Just to make sure nobody missed it:

    Robbie, Newt Gingrich’s press secretary, has moved on to 2020 and his new hope for the Republicans to lose the Senate at that time.

  642. mnw says:

    What the hell was U.S. v. Nixon? I don’t really care.

  643. mnw says:

    The more she praises him, the more I wonder if Trump accidentally appointed a liberal.

  644. BayernFan says:

    who is the woman in light blue on the left behind her?

  645. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    2h
    One of the two protesters who confronted Flake in the elevator (Archila) is an executive director at the Center for Popular Democracy (CPD). The other protester (Gallagher) is an activist w/CPD. CPD is funded by Soros through the Open Society Foundation. dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/ele…

    Lock Soros up.

  646. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    10m
    Framing Collins from their desks behind her are GOP WV Sen Shelley Moore Capito & GOP MS Sen Cindy Hyde-Smith
    View details ·

  647. jason says:

    “New revelations from CNN :
    “Brett Kavanaugh was caught naked with three nurses moments after his birth.”

  648. dblaikie says:

    Collins is going up in my estimation. Good for her.

  649. BayernFan says:

    thanks Tina.

    So does Manchin vote NO now? Or does this allow him to vote YES.

    Does Murkowski remain stubbornly ignorant?

  650. Tina says:

    The wh lobbied the Maine Chicklet heavily.

  651. ReadyFirst says:

    666. That meme caused a HUGE dust up argument on a buddy of mines FB page,lol.

  652. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    BayernFan I will give you credit, you succeeded in out dooming and glooming even Robbie in regard to Kavanaugh’s approval.

    Do have to say, however, that Murkowski was a surprise.

    Kudos go, as usual, to Mitch McConnell.

  653. Phil says:

    Now that Chuckie doesn’t need his vote Manchin can vote yes.

    Yeah, Joe. You are a real profile in courage.

  654. ReadyFirst says:

    The liberal women protesters in the lower right screen on fox are about to start pulling their hair out and meltdown. Great optics!

  655. BayernFan says:

    SDC i didnt mean to do that… but at my age I have learned never to count on a crucial GOP vote when one is needed.

    I am thrilled that we have a President who refused to bail on his nominee when things got dicey.

    It’s all about winning the confirmation. Thomas was worth the 52-48 vote. Let’s hope Justice Kavanaugh justifies the blood on the field here as well.

    It’s all we can do. Other than vote.

  656. Tina says:

    This will be a huge victory for trump.

    Looks like the Rs are united. Eric the red and that conservative opinion writer appear willing to,vote for trump in 2020.

    The socialist on the lido deck is still sulking that Hillary lost.

    Lastly, way for palin to trigger senator planned parenthood. Didn’t she vote against obumblercare?

  657. CG says:

    Supreme Court
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  658. CG says:

    Nevermind, that failed

  659. Tina says:

    Obumblercare repeal*

  660. Tina says:

    We get k confirm

    Perp walks of the coup plotters.

    End to Fuhrer Mulehead and his SS.

    Possible end to Redactstein.

    Frankenstein indicted.

  661. Robbie says:

    Susan Collins just smacked Michael Avenatti around pretty good.

  662. CG says:

    Am I the only one who finds Susan Collins more attractive than Stormy Daniels?

  663. BayernFan says:

    Wow…

    this is a real good effective beatdown of basically every single anti-Kavanaugh point.

    Really hammering on the leaks.

  664. Human Question says:

    What about Wrong Wray (Feldman)?

  665. Tina says:

    Have to admit that Grassley, hatch, and prosecutor Mitchell have done stunningly well.

    Michell helped by wrapping holes into Ford. Sure the format and her calm style did not work, if you wanted a Perry Mason moment.

  666. Robbie says:

    I wonder if Murkowski is listening to this?

  667. CG says:

    Thank you Tina for reading my posts yesterday and summarizing them here. Why no nicknames?

  668. Tina says:

    I am quite sure that they will investigate the leaks by Frankenstein. Did you see her face yesterday? She was tearing up. She is not well.

    Also fib will have to look into the witness tampering by Forfs, Ex fib friend.

    Finally, they already sent BAR actions against Krapz and Broom Scyhster.

  669. Tina says:

    What is the clintongroupie cackling about?

  670. Phil says:

    Manchin races to the floor to announce his yes vote.

    What courage.

  671. Robbie says:

    Manchin announces he’s a yes.

  672. Robbie says:

    Collins speech reminds me of the way Specter sprang to support Thomas.

  673. Tina says:

    We all know Essel Ford aka dr. fraud did not write that letter.

    So obvious.

  674. Mr.Vito says:

    SHE PERSISTED!

    #SusanCollins
    #LadyJustice

  675. Phil says:

    To bad John Kennedy is not alive to add a chapter in Profiles in Courage for Joe Manchin.

  676. BayernFan says:

    That was a historic speech.

    Much much respect to Senator Collins.

  677. mnw says:

    It was like watching an hour long Depends commercial.

  678. Phil says:

    Didn’t need Collins vote. Joe would have stepped up and saved the day for Kavanaugh.

    No doubt about it.

  679. Tina says:

    I need to listen to it,

    Did she attack the evidence against k in the dr. Fraud matter, or just Porn lawyers claims?

  680. Tina says:

    I think Howdy Doody was getting nervous about the polls.

    Last poll only had munchkin up 4

  681. Tina says:

    Is Trump rubbing off on the Senator Rs?

    First, Lyndsey Granite

    Then the Mighty Maine.

    The Rs are growing spines.

  682. mnw says:

    Now THAT was one heavy lift.

  683. Tina says:

    Did Baby Kavanaughs Hospital Exposure happen in an upstairs room or a downstairs room?

  684. mnw says:

    Tina

    You don’t WANT to listen to it! Trust me.

    If I had just one hour left to live, I’d want to spend it listening to Collins, though–because it would seem like so much longer.

  685. Tina says:

    Mnw, I do not have cable.

    I am saving a ton.

    Actually, maybe not, it went to my limoncello and opus collections.

    I am on fixed income now. 🙂

  686. Mr.Vito says:

    Murkowski must feel like a worm after that speech.

  687. Waingro says:

    Thank you, Senator Collins! RINO’s In Courage!

  688. Phil says:

    …and thank you Joe. You are a real inspiration to us all. You really stood up.

  689. Tina says:

    Phil Kerpen
    @kerpen
    Follow
    That time Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins had the most backbone in the Senate Republican conference.
    12:48 PM – 5 Oct 2018

    I need to hit the limoncello.

  690. Tina says:

    Those are my new bffs:

    Lyndsey Granite

    USS Maine

  691. BayernFan says:

    Is it possible that McCain’s absence has helped?

  692. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    To all of you at HHR from Robbie to jason, let’s sing this song loudly. Conservatives will now “own” SCOTUS for a generation!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbevg8lxiE0

    Special thanks to President Trump for making the GOP grow a steel pair, Mitch the Magician, Senators Graham and Hatch for their unequivocable vocal support throughout the whole ugly process, Sen. Susan Collins for her courage and rational thinking and to the Man Himself, BRETT KAVANAUGH for never backing down–a true American Patriot.

  693. CG says:

    711. I was waiting for the first person to go there and I would have bet a lot it would have been BF.

  694. mnw says:

    Tina

    I think we should all bow our heads, and say a few words of thanks to the Man Upstairs. (Donald Trump)

  695. Proud Obamacon says:

    YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

    Buh bye GOP

    Blue Tsunami comin’ We comin!!!!

  696. CG says:

    I want to thank Sen. Jeff Flake for playing 4 Dimensional Chess and making the victory seem more exciting.

    Flake’s strategy, which was adopted by all Senate Republicans and the Trump White House, put a process in place that allowed the left to get enough rope to hang themselves.

    Then, when he called their bluff on an FBI investigation, also supported by Senate Republicans and the Trump White House, a process was put in place that helped clear Kavanaugh’s name and make it easier for him to be confirmed.

    I am sure he feels bad for putting Robbie through everything he did, but that’s a small sacrifice.

    So, while he may not be able to drink MGD, here’s to you Jeff Flake, a “real Senator of Genius.”

  697. ReadyFirst says:

    The best part of Collins’ speech was the liberal activists who had to finally stand quiet and listen the whole time to some actual logic. They had to listen because they were hoping for a no. Their faces were quite anguished.

  698. CG says:

    That certain man you say is “upstairs” may one day find himself “downstairs.”

    Funny how that works!

  699. mnw says:

    Sheep 712

    My preferred music for the moment, as all the GOP sings it as one:

    We’re not gonna take it!
    No, we ain’t gonna take it!
    We don’t want NOTHIN’, not from you!

  700. mnw says:

    RF:

    Anguish is good. I LIKE anguish.

  701. ReadyFirst says:

    The left will be more demoralized, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see chunks of them abandon Manchin in WV and just not vote. In the meantime, those absentee votes keep getting cast.

  702. ReadyFirst says:

    Frank Luntz though is ridiculous. Spent 5 minutes taking about what a conservative Manchin is and how he might as well become a Republican.

  703. CG says:

    Apparently there is a website someone just set up to donate to the “unnamed opponent” of Susan Collins that just took in two million dollars and then crashed.

    Isn’t that throwing money down the drain? If there’s no candidate and no candidate committee, who they think the money is going to? Leave it to the liberals.

  704. ReadyFirst says:

    720. Schadenfreude. In this case, it’s well deserved.

  705. ReadyFirst says:

    723. And unless properly set up, against campaign election rules too. Someone can get in trouble.

  706. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Its interesting that Senator Graham and Collins were heros in this battle, along with Senator Flake. They often get maligned on this board. Of course Mitch McConnell was his usual brilliant self.

  707. CG says:

    Apparently, there are some demonstrations going on in Downtown Chicago right now over the Van Dyle verdict that are a combination of angry and celebratory after he was convicted of 2nd but not 1st degree murder. They’ve got both emotions covered at least.

  708. BayernFan says:

    So what about Gardner?

  709. NYCmike says:

    Don’t count your chickens until they hatch, people.

  710. mnw says:

    Sheep 726

    God Save the Queen!

    For me, as you may have noted, my favorite celebratory hymn is AC/DC’s “You Shook Me All Night Long,” from Live at Rio Platte. I tried to You Tube link it, but… Won’t work for me. However, it’s there.

    I have suggested Trump use it for the new National Alert system, instead of that funny buzzing noise.

  711. CG says:

    Scorpion’s “Rock You Like a Hurricane” would be better.

  712. JeffP says:

    Very important speech by Su Collins…glad to see a woman give the final declaration laying out the case for Judge K in the Senate today. Really makes Murk look small and blows away her last minute emotional decision.

  713. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mnw & CG
    How about this great song by the group, Queen: We Are The Champions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY

  714. DW says:

    I am glad things look good for Kavanaugh but I am not going to spike the football until this thing is in the end zone, the refs’ arms go up, the scoreboard is updated with the final score and the standings are updated in the paper.

  715. CG says:

    I like Queen, but am not sure the relevance to this.

    Perhaps, dedicate “Another One Bites the Dust” to the liberals.

  716. Wes says:

    This is the perfect song to play to the leftists who thought Kavanaugh would fail:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4javSsseS8

  717. CG says:

    The entire “And Justice for All” Metallica album?

    Anything with Justice or Judge in it.

    or stuttering FFFFFFF words.

  718. BayernFan says:

    Is Gardner a YES? Or is he undecided?

  719. ReadyFirst says:

    Well, this one go’s out to all the Kav haters here – From Senator Collins.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=she+hates+me&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

  720. Wes says:

    I’m not sure And Justice for All would work, Corey, since the album is a thematic anti-war album. Aside from the album title, I don’t see how that fits in here.

  721. bio mom says:

    735

    I agree. This is not a done deal yet.

  722. CG says:

    It’s a done deal as long as there are no foam parties scheduled for Saturday night in Miami, according to lisab.

  723. Proud Obamacon says:

    “The left will be more demoralized, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see chunks of them abandon Manchin in WV and just not vote”

    Wins the aware for Most Delusional Post of the Day. LOL … get ready for the Blue Tsunami yall!

    #RESIST

  724. CG says:

    If the vote was aired at halftime of the Sunday Night Football game, would Trump fans end their boycott?

  725. marc says:

    So this how things will go, The confirmation vote will take place Saturday at around 4:30 eastern time. The vote will be 50 to 49, depending how quickly Senator Daines of Montana can get back to DC from his daughters wedding. With the nomination confirme, the confirmation papers will go to the White House for President Trump to sign, who will then send a notification to Chief Justice Roberts that a replacement has been confirmed by the Senate for the vacant seat on the Court, Roberts will sign this notification and on Monday or Tuesday swear in Justice Kavanaugh at the White House with his family Senate Republicans and the country watching.

    And that will be the last time you’ll see Justice Kavanaugh be high profile for many years to come.

  726. CG says:

    Kavanaugh gets sworn in Tuesday morning at the Rose Garden and then immediately proceeds to shotgun a beer..

  727. mnw says:

    We;’ll see if GOP rank & file stay energized now that the fight is over, or go back to sleep again.

  728. mnw says:

    RF 744

    That’s funny– never heard that one!

  729. Tina says:

    Upstairs?

    Downstairs?

    WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

    New testimony from Dr. fraud

  730. Tina says:

    Correct, no spiking of the football.

    The Russians can still interfere in this.

  731. Tina says:

    HUGE! Senate Judiciary Is Tracking Ford Communications with Retired FBI Agent McLean and Broader Deep State https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/huge-senate-judiciary-is-tracking-ford-communications-with-retired-fbi-agent-mclean-and-broader-deep-state/
    11:24 AM – Oct 5, 2018

  732. ReadyFirst says:

    mnw. Schadenfreude. I’m glad to hear Manchin’s vote today makes PO want to go out and vote for Manchin next month. Maybe we’re getting through to him.

  733. lisab says:

    has collins finished her filibuster yet?

  734. lisab says:

    Blue Tsunami comin’ We comin!!!!
    —————————————

    the hardcore will still vote … but they were locked in anyway

    it is unlikely kavanaugh getting confirmed inspires more dems to vote, quite the opposite.

    just as kavanaugh losing would possibly energize the gop, but more likely would end up losing the votes

    i would say, if kavanaugh gets confirmed it will be a 5 point swing to the gop … both from more turnout by Rs and less by Ds.

  735. EML says:

    Kavanaugh saved himself. The staggering turnabout in polls in different races in different parts of the country makes that clear. Privately, Republican campaigns report they have never seen a sleeping body politic jolt awake in this way.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/brett-kavanaugh-the-surprise-ending/

  736. ReadyFirst says:

    756. Exactly.

  737. ReadyFirst says:

    Look PO, it’s the blue tsun…, errrr, sprinkle. They seem very excited to vote for Manchin :).
    https://ntknetwork.com/only-a-handful-of-anti-kavanaugh-protestors-show-up-at-protest/

  738. Wes says:

    Good news out of a race I had given the Dems the edge in here in NC:

    Harris is up 47-42 in the new NYT poll, doing well among key demographics. As I’ve mentioned before, Harris has been barnstorming the district and sending attractive females like my other half out to canvas early and absentee votes.

    This surprisingly strong effort by Harris combined with the Kavanaugh effect seems to be paying dividends. If Harris survives, Dems will also be unlikely to win NC-13 and NC-2, which they’ve made somewhat lesser efforts in. That would be a good sign the GOP is improving in its bid to hold the House.

  739. Tina says:

    They are eating each other now:

    Kenneth P. Vogel
    @kenvogel
    2h
    What if @MichaelAvenatti was a double agent all along?
    View details ·

  740. mnw says:

    EML 757

    But will they STAY awake… for a whole month? I suspect not.

    What was all the furor going on about a month ago? Damned if I can remember. I know there must’ve been one, though.

    Remember, the Obama/Trump voters ARE NOT Republicans. You can’t motivate them with pablum about school funding & anti-prescription opioid abuse. That is the default mode of the GOPe.

  741. SoHope says:

    Do they let Daines skip the vote and make Manchin the deciding vote and hammer him with the liberal base for voting for a rapist.

  742. ReadyFirst says:

    Let the in-fighting commence Tina.

  743. ReadyFirst says:

    762. mnw. Remember, probably close to 1/3rd of the vote will be cast via absentee in the next couple weeks. Then, in 2 weeks, early voting starts. Within the next 3 weeks, probably half the votes in this election will be cast.

  744. lisab says:

    But will they STAY awake
    ——————

    if kavanaugh prevails then i think the dems are seriously hurt

    how many times can you tell your voters that you will win only to fail badly? even the protesters cannot come to dc every day … each had to spend several hundred dollars at least, only to have their hopes dashed.

    that is several million dollars the dems have lost, plus a bunch of demotivated true believers

    the dems are not doing well

  745. mnw says:

    EML 757

    Ok, that IS a brilliant article. Thx.

  746. Wes says:

    If Republicans are relying on former Obama supporters for votes, Mnw, then the GOP is already screwed.

    The people who supported Obama did so because they wanted handouts. Those who switched to Trump were whites disaffected by how the Dems became virulently anti-white.

    They still want their handouts. They just don’t want the Dems to insult them while giving them. I wouldn’t trust a bunch of people who voted for Obama as Santa Claus as a stable base of GOP support.

  747. EML says:

    mnw – it seems like the Kavanaugh debacle has awakened a whole bunch of people who were previously ambivalent. They are now aware of what is going on. We aren’t liberals with the anger and protests and temper tantrums and riots. The sleeping giant has been awakened. They will now show up to vote.

  748. mnw says:

    RF & lisab

    You are both persuasive.

    I’m perpetually gloomy because of my involvement in Jim Talent’s final campaign. And those were MISSOURI voters who picked that old liberal bint over Jim Talent… because of a ludicrous fairy tale about Michael fn Fox.

  749. BayernFan says:

    Murkowski live in the floor on CNN now. She looks defeated.

  750. mnw says:

    Wes 768

    The GOP IS already screwed, then.

    I disagree with everything you say. All of it. The GOPe consultants couldn’t sell ass on a troopship.

  751. BayernFan says:

    Good Lord Lisa. Just quit. You are simply not up to the job. You phuqqed up big time. It’s clear that you know it. This is pathetic.

  752. BayernFan says:

    She says she does not think he will overturn Roe…and that he would be a good judge And good for Alaska.

    Wtf!! Lololololol

    She’s just rambling about her friends now.

  753. Phil says:

    Thanks for the info out of NC, Wes. Good stuff as always. Very positive news.

  754. BayernFan says:

    Watch her now. She is pathetic. She looks like she’s gonna cry. She has no reason to oppose him and it’s as if she’s realising it as she speaks. Wacko. She’s got nothing !!! She’s lost!!! Lolololol

  755. Tina says:

    I guess Senator planned Parenthood wants some limelight.

    Is she now a yes?

    Maybe Palin triggered her.

  756. Wes says:

    I don’t see how anyone can conclude Obama supporters should be the backbone of a GOP electoral coalition, Mnw. We know what Obama ran on. We know how he governed. So did those who voted for him. Claiming they’re in any way conservatives makes no sense.

  757. NYCmike says:

    “The people who supported Obama did so because they wanted handouts. Those who switched to Trump were whites disaffected by how the Dems became virulently anti-white.”

    -There is a reporter, was it Salena Zito, who has reported extensively on this phenomenon.

    Wes, maybe you should read her, she may have some interesting points which contradict your thinking.

  758. EML says:

    I’m An Immigrant, Minority Woman Going Republican Over Democrats’ Treatment Of Kavanaugh

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/05/im-immigrant-minority-woman-going-republican-democrats-treatment-kavanaugh/

    The party that established itself as a champion for the voiceless, powerless, and wrongfully accused, betrayed its values and launched a vicious attack on Kavanaugh that left him voiceless, powerless, and completely incapable of defending himself. Against all logic and good faith, they released uncorroborated allegations of sexual misconduct to the public, counting on the backdrop of the Me Too movement to make them that much harder to criticize or ignore. I still cannot reconcile these actions with the social and criminal justice reform platforms that Democrats campaign on.

  759. Wes says:

    If Murkowski votes Yea tomorrow then Manchin can do what his conscience dictates and vote No.

  760. lisab says:

    Democrats, get mad about Kavanaugh. Then get even.

  761. sandiegocitizen says:

    Murkowski reminds me of Palin. They both have the same thought process. Its hard to make sense of what they are are saying.

  762. NYCmike says:

    “If Murkowski votes Yea tomorrow then Manchin can do what his conscience dictates and vote No.”

    -That would help Morrissey, NO?

  763. Jill says:

    Lisa Murkowski sounded pathetic. Compared to Sen. Collins, her emotional scatter-brained meanderings were ghastly and completely unconvincing.

  764. BayernFan says:

    She had to have been high or something. Zanny maybe? Hard to watch.

  765. Phil says:

    We wouldn’t get that lucky with Manchin, Wes……although I’m not sure it would matter in WV. Without doubt the most ignorant electorate in America. Remember all those years they put Rockefeller in the senate.

  766. EML says:

    I don’t see how anyone can conclude Obama supporters should be the backbone of a GOP electoral coalition, Mnw.
    ==================================
    The error here is thinking that because one state/area voted for Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016 means that individuals switched from Obama to Trump. The reality is that both motivated different sets of voters to go out and vote. Somewhere around 55% of eligible voters actually vote in any given presidential election. But the people who get out to vote are different. It’s all about who is motivated to vote.

  767. BayernFan says:

    She’s voting PRESENT tomorrow!!!

    Lolololololol

  768. Wes says:

    To be fair, Phil, Rockefeller retired when he realized Capito would defeat him soundly.

  769. Wes says:

    That’s a good point, EML, but Mnw is convinced Trump won by attracting Obama supporters. I have a hard time believing Trump gained any Obama voters in large numbers. Even so, the only remotely tangible area where Trump picked off previous Obama supporters is among low-income whites—not generally known to be voters in line with conservatism.

  770. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Confirmation Eve!

  771. dblaikie says:

    This is going through the twitter universe — “Sarah Palin looks outside her house and see a sign saying 2022.”
    That would be a fun primary.

  772. Victrc says:

    All

    It seems the Dems are not about to let this be put to rest, and Repubklcan voters need to remind them of this until November 6.

    Congressman Nadler from NYC (of course) just announced that if the Dems take back the house he will immediately order an investigation of Kavanaugh for perjury, for his actions against Blassey, and investigate all the other allegations, including from the fraud represented by Avenatti. He will also investigate the Senate investigation (saying he will do the advice and consent the Senate did not do, will investigate the FBI and White House. He also stated he would be open to impeaching Kavanaugh.

    Republicans need to realize that the persecution of this man over allegations that have absolutely no basis, no evidence, no witnesses, is going to continue until they destroy Kavanaugh.

    The anger the right feels needs to be maintained for another 32 days.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/politics/kavanaugh-house-investigation.html

  773. Tina says:

    33m
    Murkowski formalizes nay vote on Kavanaugh. Says “in her conscience” he’s not “right” for the Court. Murkowski: “This has been agonizing for me..probably as close a call as I can ever remember..but I am worried, this becomes the new normal”

    Basically, Sen planned parenthood is beholden to planned parenthood,

  774. sandiegocitizen says:

    So on the 100th year anniversy of women’s right to vote, we get to a Murkowski/Palin debate. Yuck

  775. Tina says:

    So,she votes present.

    Daines does the wedding/does not vote.

    50/48

    He is confirmed,

    Seems like a “reasonable” trade off.

  776. sandiegocitizen says:

    Murkowski voting present takes the pressure of Daines, although he has a private jet available to get him to D.C. quick.

  777. NYCmike says:

    sandiegocitizen,

    Palin would be a YUGE improvement over Murkowski, no matter what you think about her. The behavior the last 2 weeks by Murkowski is evidence of that.

  778. sandiegocitizen says:

    Read somewhere that Dem. Sen. Heinrich may also have a conflict tomorrow. Do not know if true.

  779. Wes says:

    Plain would be a huge improvement if one considers a female Joe Miller to be an improvement. How about a female Dan Sullivan?

  780. NYCmike says:

    Considering that Joe Miller would be an improvement over Murkowski, Wes got it right by accident.

  781. sandiegocitizen says:

    Isn’t there a polar bear who would run. How about Hank the husky dog?

  782. Wes says:

    So a guy who had a reporter beaten up by his security detail and lost to a write-in would be better than Murkowski, Mikey?

    Obviously Alaskans disagreed.

  783. NYCmike says:

    “How about Hank the husky dog?”

    -Bring Balto back to life?

  784. Bitterlaw says:

    Considering that a sizable number of Alaskans returned incumbent Senator Murkowski to the Senate through a write-in campaign, did it ever occur to people that she might have done what her constituents wanted her to do?

  785. Cash Cow TM says:

    IF Manchin votes yes on final confirmation, here is
    how
    Cow
    now
    thinks it breaks out in WV U.S. Senate election.

    5% of the hard left whackadoodles who would normally vote for Manchin either do not vote in the U.S. senate election, or else write in someone. Those people would never vote for Morrisey or even the Libertarian candidate on the ballot.

    On the other hand about 5% of voters (the undecideds, those who were grudgingly going to vote for Morrisey, etc.) will swing back to now vote for Manchin since he voted yes on Kavanaugh.
    ######################################
    So there will be no swing in the election outcome of Manchin-Morrisey.

  786. lisab says:

    me on another blog
    ———————

    lisa: ovah? ovah?
    was it ovah when the republicans bombed pearl harbor?
    and it’s not ovah now!

    lisab: no animal house fans?

    elizabeth: It’s part of rape culture, so no. Not a fan.

  787. Redmen4ever says:

    The stop Roe v. Wade from being overturned movement is working out better for the country than the stop Dred Scott from being overturned movement.

  788. Tina says:

    @StevenJDuffield
    1h
    Murkowski says we can’t expect people to put themselves forward to serve if these politics continue, but her vote is to reward those who created the toxicity here. twitter.com/StevenJDuffiel…
    View details ·

    Fact .check: True.

  789. Phil says:

    Palin over Murkowski? Hell yes. In a heartbeat. The race isn’t ever going to happen, but yeah, Palin instead of Murkowski in the senate would be a huge improvement.

    As far as all the Alaskan Republicans supporting Murkowski in the senate I seriously doubt if they expected or liked what they saw out of her today. In fact, I KNOW they didn’t like it.

  790. BayernFan says:

    I’ve never followed Murkowski or paid her any attention until now. It’s clear that she’s not the brightest bulb in the box.

  791. Tina says:

    Erick Erickson
    @EWErickson
    4m
    Weird. Dr Ford’s lawyers now say she has more to say AND has medical records. But under oath she said she had nothing else to add. Goes to Susan Collins’ point that the Dems cared more about what she could do to Kavanaugh than they did about her well being.

    Too little too late. Crappy lawyering by Krapz and Broom Schyster. And a client ho is a Fraud.

  792. Tina says:

    If we had palin, we would not be worried about the count tomorrow.

    And obumblercare would be repealed.

    She would not be in the pockets of planned parenthood wither,

  793. Phil says:

    Exactly right, Tina.

  794. Tina says:

    The .ak sea porker also gave a rambling speech which rewards this fraudulent behavior and encourages it.

  795. Tina says:

    @Evan_McMullin
    Follow
    I support originalists, but Trump likely chose Kavanaugh to protect him from the law, not for his judicial philosophy. He’s since been credibly accused of abuse, misled the Senate and proven to be a contemptuous partisan. We must maintain a higher standard for our highest court.
    9:06 AM – 4 Oct 2018

    Hilary’s sock puppet…

  796. lisab says:

    trump chose him because he was on the “approved list”

    and he could not pick a white man to replace rbg

  797. BayernFan says:

    Tina that was clear from the get go. He’s a nobody.

  798. Phil says:

    So Congressman Nadler says If Democrats get the House they will hold hearings on Kavanaugh and perjury and consider impeachment proceedings.

    That’s a great campaign strategy leading up to the election. Should really be effective in swing districts as
    well as in red state senate races. LOL.

    If you were a Democrat and wanted to keep Republicans fired up to vote this is exactly how you would do it.

    Stupid.

  799. Mr.Vito says:

    Marco Rubio
    ?Verified account @marcorubio
    4h4 hours ago

    Most will never know the full extent of the efforts to intimidate & threaten @SenatorCollins on the #Kavanaugh vote. I am not talking about political pressure or people screaming at her in an elevator. I am talking about vicious, vile & dangerous actions. She is legit.

  800. Phil says:

    I’m sure you McMullin voters are so very proud.

  801. CG says:

    I have zero regret in voting for McMullin, even as I disagree with him on Kavanaugh.

    He was undoubtedly a better choice than Trump or Clinton (or Johnson or Stein.) Plenty of people voted for all those candidates expecting to have reservations and disagreements.

  802. Tina says:

    Hillary was still the best choice.

    Jebot

  803. Hugh says:

    806. Yes and I dismissed it. I think her math is wrong. Any viable republican will win the primary and her write in campaign will fail. A state that is so heavily male will remember this one particularly since it will be on every ad.

  804. Bitterlaw says:

    Stopping Hillary always make me feel good. Trump is scum. Both can be true.

  805. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    Martinsburg High School football team wins tonight 50 to 45 over a powerhouse team from Virginia.

    Remember…MHS came up to Philly last weekend and defeated Academy Park (or whatever)…

    MHS (State champs for 6 of last 8 years) is still undefeated this year.

  806. Phil says:

    McMullin was and is a joke.

    Before tonight McMullin was last seen tweeting what a wonderful and courageous statesman Beto O’Rourke was and going on and on about his integrity.

    Nobody cares, Evan. Just go away. Your ten minutes are up.

  807. Tima says:

    McMullen is funny. He and a certain senator met with “allies in Syria.

    Those “allies” turned out to be AQ

    Way to go Deep State, McMullen, a sock puppet.

  808. Tina says:

    McMullen, as a spools, could not tell the difference between Syrian “allies” and Syrian Aq types.

    Remember the pics of a certain senator.

  809. Cash Cow TM says:

    On Facebook, the vitrol coming from the hard left in WV has been big…

    BIG number of hard lefters are vowing they will no longer support and vote for Manchin….

    They often would gripe about Manchin being a DINO and not being hard left enough…

    His vote for Kavanaugh was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  810. Bitterlaw says:

    Good for MHS. Is it a regional high school? Do people move in to the district so their son can play there?

  811. mnw says:

    Heitkamp just pulled an ad touting her bipartisanship.

    I’m not going to debate about the Obama/Trump voters. You either see it or you don’t.

    The people attending those rallies sure as hell CAN be motivated to vote in the midterm! The GOPe wrongly thinks of them as “the base” & takes them for granted.

    You people can be willfully blind. The 2016 model will work again if given half a chance.

    I’m sick to death of this place turning into troll central, too. There are more troll posts than real posts.

    My last word. I’m kind of sick of proving the obvious.

  812. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those who are not aware, Evan McMullin still has about $670,000 in campaign debt he has not paid; he stiffed several of his campaign workers; and he has failed to file several required federal campaign reports. Yet he is still tweeting away like an idiot.

    I voted for him, and wish I had not. Know many others in Utah who feel the same. When he tried to run in the special congressional election, his polling was abysmal. He is not in reality.

  813. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    817. “I support originalists, but Trump likely chose Kavanaugh to protect him from the law, not for his judicial philosophy.”

    Oh really McMullin? Has anyone told you that Kavanaugh was high on Mitt Romney’s list of potential Supreme Court appointments(believe he was number 2 on the list)? It was in 2012 when Dr. Ford first recollected her sexual assault.

  814. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – There is no future with Trump’s biggest supporters. They support him. When he leaves office, many will go back to being Dems or not voting. Trump stands for Trump. There is no lasting Trump ideology. I am thankful for the SCOTUS picks but that is the only legacy.

  815. Wes says:

    I’m not going to debate about the Obama/Trump voters. You either see it or you don’t.

    Alternatively you convince yourself of something that doesn’t exist and expect others to see it as well.

    We all know what Obama ran on. We know how he governed. His voters are not affiliated with GOP politics outside disaffected whites shunned by the Democratic Party.

    There is no substantive argument for a large swathe of voters flipping from Obama to Trump.

  816. Bitterlaw says:

    If Kagan and the 3 other libs did not vote in lockstep with each other her whining might have a point.

    Personally, I hope SCOTUS avoids Roe. I think abortion is appalling. However, if it was overturned, the GOP would suffer greatly at the polls. I know many Republican women who are pro-choice. They reconcile voting for pro-life candidates because they never consider that Roe could really be overturned.

  817. Bitterlaw says:

    I have a friend who voted for Obama in 2008, Romney in 2012, and Trump in 2016.

    I think some Obama voters who originally bought into Hope and Change voted for Trump because they realized Obama was just another flaming lib. I think benefitted more from people who rarely voted than from Obama defectors.

  818. Wes says:

    Two years ago, I knew Trump was going to win NC by about 3% because everywhere I went in the eastern half of the state I saw voters strongly motivated to turn out for Trump while the Hillary supporters were vocal but less passionate.

    Not one of the people I talked to professing support for Trump—not one—indicated any previous support for Obama. Quite the opposite. All of those motivated to vote for Trump who mentioned actively despised the then-President. These were people as varied as project managers and dump truck drivers.

    I want to reiterate there was no expression of support for Obama at all among the Trump voters.

    The reverse was true among Hillary voters. All of those who talked about Obama loved him.

    That’s anecdotal, but I’m perfectly willing to bet if the “Obama-Trump voter” were a genuine phenomenon, I would have run into at least one.

    Associating Obama supporters with Trump in any way is simply not something I ever saw supported even once in hundreds of conversations with confirmed Trump voters.

  819. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Kavanaugh ever thinks, “Damn. I knew I should have let Trump’s call go to voicemail.”

    Bold Prediction- At least one Democrat who runs for President in 2020 will propose the need for 11 SCOTUS Justices to restore balance and integrity to the Court.

  820. VictrC says:

    Bitter

    The 11 SC train is already revved up and at the station ready to depart. Liberals have already been threatening that, and I think youre correct except that I believe it will be multiple Dem candidates who will advocate for that.

    The ultimate irony would be if Trump won and then expanded the Court to 11…and nominated Conservatives, taking the court balance to 7 -4 (and most likely 8 – 3 because Ginsburg can not hold out another six years)

  821. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – Ginsburg just holds on. Justices generally have really long lives. I forgot Stevens is alive and he is 98.

  822. VictrC says:

    Bitter

    I saw that as well. I also didn’t realize he was still alive…at 98. Its crazy to imagine how long they, and Senators, live. It’s mind boggling, like when you get elected Senator, or nominated to the SC there is some pill you take to become an octogenarian or better. Remember Storm Thurmond was something 100.

    Feinstein and Grassley are both 85, and more than 10% of the body is over 80 and 31 are over 70.

  823. BayernFan says:

    Weird that jimmy carter did not have an oppprtunity to appoint a Supreme Court Justice.

  824. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Bitterlaw says:
    October 5, 2018 at 10:28 pm
    Good for MHS. Is it a regional high school? Do people move in to the district so their son can play there?”

    Nope.
    One of [now] 4 public high schools in the county.

    As to the second question…perhaps a few do, but not many. Very few.
    ***************************************
    As I mentioned before, last year’s QB for THAT undefeated MHS team is (as a true freshman) the starting QB for Shepherd University and is putting up awesome numbers.
    ********************************************
    Remember the pro footballer Fulton Walker?
    who was first ever to run a kickoff in a super bowl (XVII vs. Redskins in 1983) back 98 yards for a TD? Played for Miami Dolphins…

    He was a 4 year starter for MHS and later a big player for WVU.

    And does Vicki Bullet ring a bell?
    She was standout women’s bassetball team at Uniersity of Maryland and played pro-ball for the Charlotte Sting and Washington Mystics.

    She was an olympian on the USA National team at the 1990 World Championships basketball team.
    They won the Gold Medal that year….and she is a MHS graduate who lives, works and coaches here in this town.
    ************************************
    How about Hack Wilson?
    He was a resident of Martinsburg and played in the old Blue ridge League before he played major league baseball.
    **********************************
    How about Buddy Barker?
    He played baseball for a short while with the NY Yankees and taught Mickey Mantle how to convert from outfield to first base.

    Not bad for a town of about 15,000-19,000 people.
    ***********************
    Also, remember Kevin Pittsnogle who was a 6’9″ guard that played for WVU bassetball team?
    ****************************************
    He would shoot in 30 foot 3-pointers and people began saying “You got Pittsnogled!”
    Kevin also went to MHS in the town where Walt lives. He is actually teaching now at Hedgesville High School where Walt taught for a hunnert years.
    ********************************************
    The most famous athlete from HHS (population of our little town was about 300 people) was Gale Catlett who went on to play bassetball for WVU and then was the head bassetball coach at WVU for about 19 years.

  825. Walt says:

    “I saw that as well. I also didn’t realize he was still alive…at 98. Its crazy to imagine how long they, and Senators, live. It’s mind boggling, like when you get elected Senator, or nominated to the SC there is some pill you take to become an octogenarian or better. Remember Storm Thurmond was something 100.

    Feinstein and Grassley are both 85, and more than 10% of the body is over 80 and 31 are over 70.”
    _________________________________
    Kids….all a bunch of young kids….

  826. BayernFan says:

    Only three presidents did not appoint a SC Justice. WH Harrison, A Johnson, and Carter.

  827. ReadyFirst says:

    Walt, when I was stationed in MD I once went out with the Apple Harvest Queen in Martinsburg. Quaint and nice town.

  828. NYCmike says:

    Judging by Wes’ remarks, he will ignore my Salena Zito advice and remain The Smartest Guy In North Carolina.

  829. Tina says:

    James Woods 7h
    I’m gone a week and @LindseyGrahamSC actually IS Spartacus.
    View details ·

  830. Tina says:

    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    2h
    I do apologize ma’am… pic.twitter.com/fmSg3gIZIp
    View photo ·

    Lyndsey Granite

  831. Tina says:

    The difference between Da Nang Blumenthal and Jane Fonda:

    https://i.redd.it/wevd12pqvjq11.jpg

  832. mnw says:

    Walt

    All those old codgers in Congress kind of gives us hope, doesn’t it? When I read the Bar Journal obits, the only thing I’m interested in is, how old were they? “Well I already outlived him, then. And THAT guy made it to 93! Wonderful!”)

    BL 836

    I don’t gave the tiniest damn about the “future when Trump leaves office.” Not. A Damn. I want to win the midterms & hold the House. The Trump coalition (religious conservatives; disaffected blue collar DEMs) is alive & well & can be motivated to vote in 2016 fashion. Look at the crowds. But they won’t be motivated by the same old GOPe default mode ‘small ball’ trash.

    The “future” is noise.

    Also, I don’t agree with your premise, either.

  833. Chicon says:

    Robbie will be along soon to let us know he’s worried that a bunch of Republicans will take away the football at the last second.

  834. mnw says:

    DW

    Bunch of new NYT/Siena polls last nite. About 7-8 of them. All pretty good for GOP, except MI-11, which is very bad.

    The Wise Men have them up on their weekend thread.

  835. Chicon says:

    Mnw, Hawks with a win, Blues with a loss. That’ll change today, I believe. Cubs home early…

    Political scene looking good, imo.

    Hope you’re well.

  836. Wes says:

    Mikey, while I haven’t read Zito’s book personally, I have looked her work up since your recommendation. What I’ve seen from even publications sympathetic to conservatism is criticism of her methodology and conclusions. Only publications Zito herself works for have given unqualified positive reviews.

    That doesn’t lead me to the conclusion I will find anything enlightening upon delving into her work.

  837. jason says:

    Didn’t Cilizza from CNN say “for the billionth time, journalists don’t pick sides’?

    Acosta just called him a liar.

    Jim Acosta
    ?
    @Acosta

    With a single speech, Sen. Collins, announcing her support for Kavanaugh, has paved the way for a much more conservative Supreme Court for the next generation. Abortion rights, gay rights, climate change, and health care reform could well be impacted for decades to come.”

  838. Wes says:

    I posted an analysis on Facebook yesterday of the Kavanaugh confirmation process up until now. A guy I know—a flaming lib though we usually tend to avoid commenting on each other’s political posts except on things we agree on like the death penalty—almost immediately responded by accusing me in rather colorful language of being a Fox News and Sean Hannity acolyte. This guy’s political posts are damn near 100% DNC talking points.

    That, needless to say, ended our friendship. Kavanaugh has the Left so unhinged they’re willing to destroy cordial relationships with even friends who support him.

  839. jason says:

    The Dems do have their own deadenders.

    Over at Kos, there are many saying “I hope Manchin loses”, while others say “are you crazy he votes with us at least 50% of the time.”

    The truth is that Manhin needs the hard core leftist moonbat vote to win, ans while there are probably fewer of them in WVA than other places, if they abandoned him he would lose.

  840. Wes says:

    Roe v. Wade is going nowhere even when Kavanaugh is seated on the Court. It’s McCarthyite scaremongering. Gay rights are pretty much de rigeur in legal opinions now. Obamacare survived already because Roberts adopted Kavanaugh’s tax opinion on the issue. The nebulous climate change concept has never been something the Supreme Court has ruled on.

    Acosta is the Parallax of political discourse.

  841. scooterboy says:

    Hello folks……just thought I’d drop by and say hi. I assume the A-holes have already replaced me. Well, have a great day !!!!

  842. jason says:

    Hatgate?

    According to some moonbat sites, Melania Trump wore a “colonial style” hat at an event in Africa.

  843. jason says:

    Hey Scooter, welcome back.

    No, membership in the august Philly A-hole Club never expires.

    We don’t believe in replacing A-holes.

  844. jason says:

    But Scooter, Kim did submit a sworn statement that one night after hours parking cars you went into the kitchen and when Kim gave you some hot chocolate, you purportedly asked “is this all I get”?

    According to Kim, this is a sure case of sexual harassment, since it implies that you wanted “more” of her.

    Bitter is moving to dismiss the charges however, he has the finest legal mind of all the A-holes.

  845. Chicon says:

    Wes, Roe hung by a thread in the most recent case on the topic. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it goes.

  846. Wes says:

    So four years from now, Palin plans to either primary Murkowski or support a primary challenger to AK’s senior Senator. Palin herself is a national joke and would almost certainly take it on the chin.

    If there is a GOP primary challenger to Murkowski I would hope he/she comes from the Dan Sullivan wing of the party rather than the Palin/Miller joke wing of the party.

  847. Tina says:

    Not a fan of senator planned parenthood, but the pairing the vote, she votes present and he is not there, seems ok.

    A win is a win is a win.

    And we need to spike the football, gloat, and have charges filed,against the “accusers” for lying under penalty of perjury, witness tampering, etc.

  848. Wes says:

    It’s not going to happen, Chiron. Most Republicans don’t even support overturning it. If Roe v. Wade did go down, Republicans would suffer an electoral bloodbath as social moderates and Libertarians swung heavily to the Dems.

    Most telling about the lack of likelihood that Roe v. Wade will fall is Susan Collins’ full-throated support of Kavanaugh. Collins is staunchly pro-choice. If she felt Kavanaugh was a threat to the ruling she would be a definite No.

  849. Chicon says:

    Of course both political parties have factions – there are 330+million people in the country and two political parties. How could there not be factions?

    There is a balancing act on keeping all the factions aligned – when one faction is ignored it gets wacky until it’s needs are better met. A big pendulum.

  850. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi – Ruling to overturn Roe was easy when there was a 5th vote on the other side to keep it in place. I don’t think it will be overturned but there might be cases that impact funding or timeframes to have abortions. Overturning it would be a disaster for the GOP. Most states would immediately legalize abortion.

  851. Tina says:

    hlichter retweeted
    Tom Bevan Tom Bevan
    @TomBevanRCP
    12h
    As awful as the Kavanaugh fight has been, there is one silver lining: the diminutive creepy porn lawyer has been exposed for the malevolent fraud that he is. #basta
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  852. scooterboy says:

    868. LOL…..Heard the news about MD. Shocked that he has drifted over to the dark side. Gotta run for now. Good talking to ya Jason.

  853. Tina says:

    Actually, I want porn lawyer to be the drat nominee for president in 2020.

    I will spot porn lawyah Mexifornia, New York, and New Jersey,

  854. Chicon says:

    We’ll see, Wes. I doubt Kavanaugh and Collins talked specifically about a case. If Roe is overturned the topic will return to the political arena, where the will of each electorate can be addressed. Statutes will be passed that match the will of a particular state. How does that lead to a bloodbath?

  855. Chicon says:

    Bitter – agree that there will be cases that limit Roe. And that states would legalize – that’s the proper arena for the issue.

  856. jason says:

    “Palin herself is a national joke and would almost certainly take it on the chin.”

    You can bet NYC and mnw would support Palin or Miller or another deadender that would put the seat at risk.

    They wouldn’t support a credible challenger from the Dan Sullivan wing because he/she wouldn’t be conservative enough.

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  857. mnw says:

    Chicon

    Haven’t gotten Bluz tickets yet. A bit behind on Bluz newz too.

    We were one more squishy RINO away from losing everything yesterday, imo. The nomination; the midterms & the effective end of Trump’s presidency. Just one more Murk would’ve accomplished all of that.

    I never bought into the idea that if K failed, it would energize the GOP voters– not if the GOP did it to themselves, it wouldn’t.

  858. jason says:

    Overturning it would be a disaster for the GOP. Most states would immediately legalize abortion.”

    Exactly.

    But I have a feeling Kavanaugh is being honest when he says Roe vs. Wade is settled law.

  859. jason says:

    I agree with mnw on this.

    Rejecting Kavanaugh would have been a disaster.

    And of course the precedent would be horrendous.

  860. Wes says:

    You misunderstand the politics of the ruling, Chiron. To most supporters of the ruling, an overturn implies a return to back-alley abortions and endangerment of pregnant women. We can debate the legitimacy of the thought process, but there it is. A lot of pro-choicers support the GOP precisely because they don’t take seriously dire predictions about an overturn of the ruling. (I personally am pro choice but personally ambivalent on Roe v. Wade.

    Whether rightly or wrongly, Republicans would suffer if Roe v. Wade were overturned. Simple logic dictates it’s not going anywhere.

  861. Phil says:

    Last night saw a new Beto commercial in which he tries to look sincere and looking straight into the camera talks about “working together in Washington” He needs to expand past his base to have any hope at all. How believable is that “bipartisan” BS now he is spouting after watching Democrats over the last three weeks? I suspect….no, I know, the last three weeks have put a stake through the heart of Beto as well as Bredesen. Outside of California and NY how well do you think that circus played? It backfired tremendously in red, and I suspect, even purple states as well.

    All it did was point out to the never Trumpers that they too were in the Democrats’ crosshairs. Hell even Robbie has somewhat put aside his Trump hatred for the time being and is seeing the left and their puppets for what they are. Kavanaugh was an establishment moderate conservative and the left went scorched earth and tried to destroy him. It was an eye opener to ALL Republicans, even the ones that hate Trump.

    Good luck, Beto, with your “I am a reasonable Democrat who wants to work with Republicans” line of BS. Texans weren’t buying it before and they sure as hell aren’t buying it after the last couple of weeks. The mask flew right off.

  862. Cash Cow TM says:

    Roe v. Wade
    ###############################
    I hear people talk constantly about Roe vs. Wade, Roe vs. Wade, roe vs. Wade…

    To me it is simple.

    If the water is too deep you get a boat and roe.
    If the water is not deep, you wade.

    And of course, to get rid of the false dilemma, it should be

    Roe v Wade v Swim v Float v TurnAroundDon;tDrown

  863. Wes says:

    If nothing else, McConnell is a savvy pol. He hasn’t achieved an unbroken string of victories literally extending across my lifetime by being a fool. He knew he had to confirm Kavanaugh and rounded up the votes to do just that.

  864. Chicon says:

    Wes, I understand the politics of the ruling just fine, thanks. If a case threatening Roe is up, state legislators would have legislation ready immediately. And it would reflect the politics of the issue.

  865. Wes says:

    Excellent point, Phil. Dems seem to think Texans are stupid and keep running these faux moderates for Senate out there. This goes at least as far back Kirk in 2002. Texans have never bought into their BS, routinely rejecting them by double digits, yet the Dems keep trying because quite honestly candidates overtly reflecting their party’s values wouldn’t even have a whisper of a chance.

  866. jason says:

    “A lot of pro-choicers support the GOP precisely because they don’t take seriously dire predictions about an overturn of the ruling. (I personally am pro choice but personally ambivalent on Roe v. Wade.

    Whether rightly or wrongly, Republicans would suffer if Roe v. Wade were overturned. Simple logic dictates it’s not going anywhere.”

    Very well said.

    Overturning Roe vs. Wade would be a huge mistake. Fortunately it’s not going to happen.

  867. Robbie says:

    I support Kavanaugh, but I think it’s highly unlikely he votes to overturn Roe vs. Wade. And I think a big reason that’s the case is I believe there’s zero chance John Roberts would ever vote to overturn Roe vs. Wade. I have no doubt they will continue to find acceptable efforts to restrict legal abortions, but I don’t see this group overruling such a hot button issue. I generally feel the same way about gay marriage. I just don’t see it happening.

  868. Wes says:

    Robbie makes a good point.

  869. Tina says:

    Did anybody catch Blob Kagans remarks.

    She is worried about a center on the court.

    Why does not she become that center?

    Or maybe Sotohatewhiteymor?

  870. mnw says:

    Phil

    Thx for the Lone Star report. “Bipartisansip” = “Beto” does not spring naturally to mind. From afar, he appears to be of the Pelosi/Sanders persuasion.

    And he hasn’t tried to hide it, either. See his NRA statements, for example.

    Chicon; DW; & Sheep

    For me, the best predictor of the House is the Senate. We can probably judge the former by movement in the latter.

  871. Robbie says:

    I think the Supreme Court could have overturned Roe vs. Wade in 1992 as it had planned to do until Kennedy flipped and the country would have basically accepted it. That was a much different time though.

    Now for good or for ill, the country has come to know 45 years of legal abortion law. I don’t like it, but that’s the reality. And if the Court did overturn abortion, I believe there’s a good chance the entire legitimacy of the Court would be gone.

    They say generals always fight the last war. I hope this Court chooses to fight the next war rather than getting bogged down with an issue the country has basically accepted as a fact of life.

  872. Robbie says:

    Honestly, I’d much rather see the new Court take on the rotten New Deal rulings like Wicker vs. Filburn that misused the Commerce Clause and constrain the excesses of the Warren Court.

  873. Phil says:

    Wes, ah yes, I remember that 2002 campaign well. Democratic puppets in the media kept referring to “conservative Democrat Kirk” and 60 Minutes ran a puff piece the Sunday before the election emphasizing “his moderate conservative credentials”. He went on to lose by 12 points.

    Actually, Wes, this is the first time Beto has tried to pivot from his hard left red meat campaign and talk about “working with Republicans”. Cruz has been hitting him hard about his leftist stances and the fact that Beto is now veering in another direction tells me Beto’s polling is showing Cruz’s commercials are starting to bite.

    Beto is toast, and I don’t care how much money he has raised from his friends in California and NY. Doesn’t matter.

  874. mnw says:

    4 rallies this week: KY; OH; IA; & PA.

  875. ReadyFirst says:

    Greetings from the Swamp. Go Gators, beat LSU!!

  876. Wes says:

    Most telling to me about the political center of gravity on Roe v. Wade is that three attempts have been made by ballot referenda to substantially curtail abortion rights in GOP states—two in South Dakota (2006 and 2008) and one in Mississippi (2011). All three failed by decisive double-digit margins.

    These are states where Dems have had ridiculously limited electoral success since 2008 from President on down. That tells me there’s no stomach nationally for an overturn of the ruling.

    As Robbie notes, there may be success on the margins—mostly with PBA bans and things like parental notification—but realistically I see no chance for a revsersal of the overall ruling.

  877. ReadyFirst says:

    863. Jason, I said basically the same thing yesterday in 721 and got earned the Obamacon badge of honor as dumbest post of the day. Cracks me up. I do think things are about to turn on Manchin. I’m not predicting a Manchin loss but that race is about to tighten up.

  878. mnw says:

    I noticed something I think is interesting in Hawley’s tweets.

    The responses mostly come from people @clairemccaskill.com.

    Remember how Heitkamp’s brother & others were talking about, “if she loses, she can still hold her head up in the morning when she looks in the mirror.” Recall?

    Yesterday, for the FIRST time (that I noticed anyway), there was similar talk from several of McCaskill’s twitter admirers.

    Heretofore, they were 100% rage & venom.

  879. Wes says:

    I can understand IA, PA, and KY because of the endangered House seats (and in IA Reynolds’ endangered bid for retention as Governor). There aren’t a lot of GOP House seats in danger in OH though. I wonder if Republicans May feel Brown is in more danger than polling suggests and as such are having Trump go there to shore up Renacci.

  880. Chicon says:

    It’ll be VERY hard for the Court to avoid abortion – cases eating away at the edges of Roe pop up constantly and are addressed by Circuit courts. Excellent point by Robbie on Roberts – if he can help to slowly return the issue to legislatures without directly overturning Roe, he likely will. But, whether directly or not, the court will have to address the issue.

  881. Wes says:

    Mnw, Hawley has had fairly consistent, if slender, leads over McCaskill recently. I think he wins by a few points in November.

  882. Chicon says:

    Wes, you are conflating the overturning of the ruling with settling the issue. Unless one believes that courts need to rule on every tiny issue on abortion, the topic needs to be moved to the legislative bodies to handle. Both of these things can – and likely will – happen: Roe overturned OR seriously eroded, and abortions are still legal almost everywhere.

  883. Tina says:

    Regarding Ohio, they say Renacci is in striking distance.

    I think this came from .schweikart,Moho has resumed tweeting again.

  884. MichiganGuy says:

    * Breaking News *
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  885. EML says:

    Any case even remotely touching on abortion is going to be painted by the liberal media as overturning Roe and the end of the world as we know it. Gotta keep the fake rage machine churning.

  886. mnw says:

    I want to see some trustworthy polling from MT.

    If the “newly energized GOP” is for real, it should show up there.

  887. Albert Hodges says:

    While you regulars tend to be pretty smart about analyzing elections and campaigns, most of you tend to have a moderate, libertarian worldview which, along with where you live, may color how you see the abortion issue.

    Overturning R v. W will ONLY return it to the states. It will strengthen DEMS in some areas of the country (those states Hillary won) and strengthen the GOP in other states.

    If you couch the issue as they will outlaw all abortions, that will hurt the GOP. If you couch it as all abortions will be legal it hurts the Dems.

    WHEN R v. W is overturned, the GOP is those more GOP tilting states that take an incremental approach to getting rid of easy abortions will continue to enjoy greater electoral success. Those that swing for the fences, will not.

    Polls among those under 40 show they are more prolife than their parents.

    The GOP is going to be strengthened in the Mid-West IF it adopts a more Conservative on social issues approach along with a more-worker oriented economic approach than they have ever been. You know, like Reagan and Trump have done.

    I bow to all of your superior intellects when it comes to electioneering on many issues but none of you have a clue when you try to analyze abortion politics. Maybe that explains why your stated choices in 2016 for the nomination lost their asses.

  888. BayernFan says:

    I’m not sure Roe will be overturned,… I don’t think any cases are in the pipeline that would force that issue….. the action is with Casey vs PP….. but if If is….

    You’re going to see republican legislators heading for the hills imo.

  889. mnw says:

    Albert

    I don’t fit that profile you describe. I’m no moderate; I don’t have a libertarian worldview; & I vote in the Ozarks!

  890. Tina says:

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  891. Redmen4ever says:

    The K. Hearings have dominated the media for more than a week. For example, not a word about Russia conspiracy. During this time, Trump JA and the Generic Congressional Ballot moved incrementally. In addition, there are reports of increased donations and volunteers. The big questions are whether the adrenaline rush continue through the election, and how will the other side respond?

  892. Mr.Vito says:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-stasi-20181005-story.html

    If the title “Pro-creep Senators” sounds weird, that’s because they changed it.

    The title was:

    Manchin and Collins: Pro Rape Senators

  893. Wes says:

    Right, Al. That explains why anti-abortion ballot initiatives failed miserably in both SD and MI. We don’t understand the politics of the issue—except for tangible electoral results.

  894. Wes says:

    Err, MS, not MI.

  895. Redmen4ever says:

    K. and abortion: While Democrats talk about “the right to choose,” Roe v. Wade was grounded on a penumbra of enumerated rights (e.g., the Fourth Amendment) and unenumerated rights (the Ninth Amendment). To develop this penumbra, the decision compiled the history of abortion in this country. The decision was 5 to 4 and was never embraced by the people of the country.

    A few years later, in Webster, the Court trimmed its decision in Roe. Yes, Webster upheld Roe, in the sense of not over-turning it. But, Webster also qualified Roe.

    Importantly, whenever asked about Roe during the hearings, Judge K. mentioned Webster. In particular, Judge K. talked about viability outside the womb and 20 weeks. Twenty weeks laws are making their way through the courts, and could very well be addressed by the S.C. in the near future.

  896. Wes says:

    Red, the best scenario for Republicans would be for Dems to continue beclowning themselves. The best scenario for Dems would be to stop doing that.

  897. Wes says:

    Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision. Only Rehnquist and White opposed it.

  898. Redmen4ever says:

    In support of Wes’ point regarding voting on initiatives and referenda concerning aboution. Restriction never pass. Not even restrictions on late term abortion.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Abortion_on_the_ballot

    Even so, public opinion polls have always shown pro-life and pro-choice positions about evenly split, and that most people want abortion “legal only under certain condition.”

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

    I reconcile the seeming contradiction of voting on ballot measures and public opinion polls to mean that many people want the legislature to figure out how to balance the right of the woman to be secure in her person and to privacy, and the state interest in protecting human life within the womb.

  899. Chicon says:

    923 – which means what?

  900. Redmen4ever says:

    Thanks for the correction, Wes, on the vote in Roe.

  901. Chicon says:

    Wes, I didn’t realize 923 was a response to another post.

  902. Wes says:

    I personally know a host of Republicans and GOP-leaning voters who are comfortable voting that way because despite the party’s official platform, they don’t feel a substantial effort to overturn the decision is likely ever to happen. They wouldn’t be that way if they thought Roe v. Wade as a whole would be reversed.

    Noteworthily both GOP Senators in this state are moderately opposed to abortion but never make a big deal of it. That’s been a wise decision on their part as it helps them shore up their suburban and exurban voters while making critical inroads in suburban areas where Trump lost in 2016.

    A realistic chance of a Roe v. Wade overturn would change that dynamic considerably.

  903. Wes says:

    It’s cool, Chiron.

  904. Wes says:

    Rural and exurban voters, I meant.

  905. Redmen4ever says:

    This is one of the biggest gaps I’ve seen in Trump versus Republican sentiment:

    Trump JA -2
    Generic Congressional D+8

    https://scottrasmussen.com/crosstabs-september-28-october-5-2018-3/

  906. Wes says:

    That seems hard to believe, Red. I wonder if Trump May be improving in Hillary areas that are still going to support congressional Dems. That’s the only way I can account for the disparity without knowing more.

  907. Albert Hodges says:

    Wes, I imagine that my post was unclear. I said that IF the GOP does not overreach (i.e. try for ballot or legislative initiatives that try to totally prohibit abortions)then incremental prolife initiatives will enjoy TREMENDOUS support..If you think you think that cutting government funding, requiring informed and parental consent for abortions, limiting abortions at 16-20 weeks gestation will not enjoy 55-70% winning popular votes in NC, you really have no clue what you are talking about. But I don’t think you are stupid, I think my post wasn’t clear. And you have a great regarding NC elections rivaled by no one on this board, except perhaps for me, since my NC predictions have been correct since I started coming here I think back in 2010…including the GOP primaries in 2016.

  908. sandiegocitizen says:

    Can anyone confirm if a new Harris poll shows Trump 49% favorable, 51% unfavorable?

  909. Hugh says:

    From the great prognosticator, that being me, who predicted with 100% certainty murk would vote yes I make another profound prediction. If the dems take the House they will not investigate Kavanaugh.

  910. sandiegocitizen says:

    The Democrats are in a political tailspin as a result of their Kavanaugh strategy, and all they can think of doing is passing out peanuts to the passengers.

  911. Phil says:

    As ridiculous as it it, yes they will. They can’t help themselves.

  912. EML says:

    Hysterics after Manchin votes yes

  913. EML says:

    Somone absolutely lost it after Manchin voted. Its all over. Kavanaugh confirmed.

  914. Robbie says:

    Those screamers in the Senate were something. Sound like they were being stabbed.

  915. CG says:

    Ffffffffifty Votes.

    Congrats Justice Kavanaugh. Thank you for standing firm.

    #NeverTrump

  916. sandiegocitizen says:

    Wow! Amazing putcome. McConnell was brillant, as was Collins. The Democrats looked disorganized and weak.

  917. Wes says:

    Oh, my God! I can’t wait to see the meltdown among my leftist Facebook friends—that is, the ones I haven’t had to block like the brainwashed dolt yesterday—after this.

    They were all obsessed with taking Kavanaugh out. Now their rage may become violent.

  918. Diamond Jim says:

    Kudos should also go out to Senator Reid for killing the judicial filibuster.

  919. bartman says:

    Murkoward

  920. sandiegocitizen says:

    This was so important for the protection of Second Amendment and other Constitutional rights. Is why the Democrats did everything they could, including bogus claims from decades ago, to stop it.

  921. Hugh says:

    To all of us on this board who suffered through this ordeal while relieving our stress or adding to it posting here a big congratulations

  922. EML says:

    There was another meltdown after the vote was announced. Apparently one after Flake voted as well. But the reaction so far has been quite muted. Democrats have been defeated this will effect them come election time. Just completely defeated once again. The fight is going out.

  923. EML says:

    Kudos should also go out to Senator Reid for killing the judicial filibuster.
    =====================================
    One of the major differences between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives are more concerned with the process and liberals are more concerned with the outcome. This works for Democrats in the short term, but hurts them in the long run. This is precisely the case. Democrats are too short sighted to see whats good for them in the long run.

  924. Greymarch says:

    Yay! For the first time in over 80 years, the United States of America has a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. A truly historic day for the republic! #SCOTUS #JusticeKavanaugh

  925. Diamond Jim says:

    Imagine what is going to happen if the Republicans retain control of the Senate and Trump gets to replace a liberal justice.

  926. Tom says:

    Great day to be a conservative! No more implementing the liberal agenda by judicial fiat. Now they’ll have to win elections and pass legislation that’s Constitutional. This may well be the moment that turned the liberal tide.

  927. EML says:

    McConnell totally ignoring one of the reporters trying to ask a question. Hilarious.

  928. EML says:

    McConnell basically says that if a vacancy happens in 2020, Republicans will nominate and confirm another justice.

  929. Bitterlaw says:

    As I predicted, Flake and Collins voted yes (Tina and Phil hardest hit). I was wrong about Manchin. Murk voted present (but first voted no) as a courtesy to Daines so she was not the villain portrayed here. All in all, a the conservates, RINOs, deadenders and an Eeeeeeeeevilllll Establisment held together and confirmed a conservative Justice.

    Time to watch MSNBC! Pure entertainment.

  930. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – At the wedding of Senator Daines’ daughter, guests arriving at the church are asked if they will be sitting on the Aye or Nay side.

  931. DW says:

    I knew Manchin would vote Yes all along. No was political suicide.

  932. Phil says:

    No way Manchin would have voted yes if it was the vote to defeat Kavanaugh.

  933. sandiegocitizen says:

    A CNN headline: “President Trump’s winning streak” It points to Kavanaugh approval and economy.

    The Democrats are looking for scapegoats. Avenatti appears the 1st one. Imagine Feinstein will soon be targeted as well.

  934. Wes says:

    Ahem! Where have I seen this evidence- and research-free argument before?

    KRAZEN1211
    October 6, 2018 at 4:39 pm | In reply to TennesseeMike
    My suspicion is that Castle would have left the party by now. Any CO 2010 winner would have gone down in 2016.

  935. dblaikie says:

    I don’t want to make too much out of it but I want to remind folks here about all the chicken littles during this process. People were wringing their hands far before they needed too. People who would have consigned Brett Kavanaugh to the ash heap of history because he should have appointed Amy. There too many people who relay more on polls then there own good common sense.

    So please when Quinn. or CNN or Marist or NBC come out with a poll showing a 10+ Dem. generic number or that Scot is way behind or that Rosen has opened up a new lead or that Claire is back or that 10 seats have moved to likely Dem. please don’t eat the yellow snow. Be tough. Use your brain. Remember history. And be confident when you vote.

  936. jason says:

    I see Messy made it to the protests at the capitol.

    Over a Kos they show a picture of a protester with a sign:

    PURJURY IS A CRIME.

  937. EML says:

    One of my more liberal FB friends has been on a real anti Manchin streak lately. The left has their deadenders too.

  938. Wes says:

    Liberals are raising money to beat Collins in 2020.

    DO IT!

    She’s sporting a 56-34 approval rating and has just fended off any insurgent challenge on her right flank.

    She beat current Congressman Chellie Pingree 59-42 in 2002 and crushed former Congressman Tom Allen by 23% in 2008 even as Obama trounced McCain there. Maine has only trended somewhat GOP since then.

    I hope Dems waste their money on her in 2020 rather than setting their sights on Cory Gardner.

  939. Bitterlaw says:

    Democrats are now planning on winning elections to stop the evil Right Wing agenda? Good. That is how our country is supposed to work. When you rely mostly on getting 5 Justices to do your bidding you don’t have a backup plan.

  940. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    961. Will add that when the Flake got the short delay for an FBI report, there were cries of doom and assumptions that Flake would vote no, and the delay would end the nomination.

    Actually, the delay allowed the Republicans to turn the tables on the Democrats, it was a brilliant strategic move. I continue to suspect that McConnell originated it, and got Trump to agree.

  941. jason says:

    Well, Amoral Scumbag was wrong again.

    After week of eeyoring Kavanaugh and saying his nomination was toast, voilá…

    And Amoral Scumbag actually likes Kavanaugh, the reason he wanted him to be replaced was because it would look bad for Trump.

    It sucks to be Amoral Scumbag.

  942. Wes says:

    Jason questioned the wisdom of not having Republican Senators directly question Ford. That was a wise move as it deprived the Dems of a visual of old white men grilling a putative sexual assault victim.

  943. Wes says:

    Cruz is up 9 in the NYT poll of TX-31. That bodes well for Cruz as running just behind Trump’s 2016 showing (+12) likely means Cruz is getting the support necessary to get his punchable face re-elected.

  944. jason says:

    I was against the delay, because I thought more allegations would emerge.

    But the fact is the FBI investigation gave a legitimacy to the nomination that didn’t exist before the delay. Sure, the moonbats call it a sham, but I think most non-political persons understand the FBI didn’t find anything that corroborated Ford’s narrative. The people the moonbats say weren’t interviewed were not witnesses to the alleged assault, they were basically volunteer character witnesses with no first hand knowledge.

  945. Wes says:

    GCB in AZ is GOP +11 with Trump also at +11 favor ability. That should bode well for McSally.

  946. Wes says:

    To recap on the Senate, TX and TN seem to be returning to their GOP roots. MO, ND, IN, and MT seem to be trending GOP. Unclear on AZ, NV, and FL though I would imagine after the Kavanaugh fiasco Republicans are gaining there as well.

  947. jason says:

    ason questioned the wisdom of not having Republican Senators directly question Ford. That was a wise move as it deprived the Dems of a visual of old white men grilling a putative sexual assault victim.”

    I still think that was a mistake. I think Kavanaugh got confirmed despite that mistake, not because of it. Most people here were very negative about the prosecutor when she was doing the questioning.

    It was also bad precedent, old white guys are entitled to do their jobs and ask questions. If this is the criteria, then only women can question women, only gays can question gays, it’s a slippery slope with no end in sight.

    The senators should have asked their own questions, or at least the prosecutor should have had more than 5 minutes at a time. In the end what I feared most happened, Ford got to make a lot of statements for which there was no follow-up.

  948. Wes says:

    If Republicans go +5 in the Senate, they will have their largest majority in the chamber since the 71st Congress when Herbert Hoover was President.

  949. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Also I will say that Trump’s comments at a rally about Dr. Ford’s were tactically brilliant. They were widely condemned, but they make an important point. CNN and the liberal media picked them up and played them repeatedly. Did they ever consider that the public might realize what Trump was saying was true.

    “How did you get home? ‘I don’t remember,'” Trump said at the rally Tuesday in Southaven. “How did you get there? ‘I don’t remember.’ Where is the place? ‘I don’t remember.’ How many years ago was it? ‘I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know.'” , “But I had one beer — that’s the only thing I remember.”

  950. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    973. Wes, believe your recap is spot on.

  951. Wes says:

    Thanks, SDC.

  952. Wes says:

    How’s this for irony?

    Dems actually sowed the seeds for this vote 31 years ago when they defeated Robert Bork’s nomination.

    Reagan subsequently appointed Kennedy.

    Bork died in 2012 when Obama was President and Dems still held the Senate.

    That paved the way for Kennedy to retire and have Trump select his replacement.

    By being shortsighted, Dems cost themselves their hoped/“-for leftist majority on the Supreme Court.

  953. mnw says:

    976 SDC

    I like this enough, I think I’ll repost it:

    I think we should all bow our heads now, and say a few words of thanks to the Man Upstairs.*

    *(Donald J. Trump)

  954. mnw says:

    Wes 965

    Whatever that is won’t open.

  955. Wes says:

    Hawley won’t win that State Senate district by several points, Mnw?

    All right. If you say so…

  956. mnw says:

    Wes

    I found it on Google. MO SD34 poll was taken for Tony Luetkemeyer (R), son of my congresscritter, Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R). Tony is running for state senate, apparently, which I didn’t know.

    I’d rather be in Hawley’s shoes than Claire’s right now, so I agree there.

  957. Bitterlaw says:

    I still wish the Senate had just held Hearings on Garland and voted no. The “stolen Justice” argument would have been destroyed. Oh well. Dems would have just whined about something else.

  958. Bitterlaw says:

    Congratulations also to the voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in 2016.

  959. Bitterlaw says:

    Finally, a very special thank you to Hillary Clinton for ignoring the voters in Michigan and Wisconsin and only taking a premature victory lap in Philadelphia the night before the election.

  960. mnw says:

    I would like to see attack ads on all the red state DEMs IMMEDIATELY for their K “NO” votes. Time is of the essence.]

    “Sen. McCaskill votes NO.” Loop it.

    “Sen. Tester votes NO.”

    I’d make “NO” their middle name, before voters forget.

    Btw, at the time of her Gorsuch vote, McCaskill told a group of her supporters, “We need a scalp.”

  961. Wes says:

    Too much of a risk in an election year when Dems could have used the battle cry of a defeated inoffensive nominee to rally the vote in a close election, Bitter.

    McConnell was wise to employ statements made by Schumer and Biden to justify Senate inaction on the nomination and undercut Dem outrage.

    Lack of visuals was key to that victory.

  962. Wes says:

    You should thank Jill Stein for denying Hillary critical votes in those states too, Bitter.

  963. Chicon says:

    Also, we should thanks those that actually voted for Trump. For those who voted for anyone else, this victory is despite you.

  964. mnw says:

    One of my favorite 2016 moments is Ann Coulter on The Five or The View, whatever the hell it is. They went around the table, “Which Republican candidate has the best chance of beating Hillary?”

    Coulter: “Donald Trump”

    (Peels of derisive laughter from everyone. She just stared at them.)

  965. mnw says:

    Chicon 990

    Very well, then…

    Thank you, Chicon. Thank you, BL. Thanks, Phil & Tg. You guys are welcome too, btw.

  966. Mr.Vito says:

    “I still wish the Senate had just held Hearings on Garland and voted no.”

    They would not have voted no, because they are not a$$holes.

  967. Chicon says:

    Correct, Vito.

  968. mnw says:

    I’ll have a brandy neat, bartender. With a liberal tears chaser, please.

  969. Tina says:

    Yes congrats to the Teump,voters here from 2016. Especially to,the 3 mentioned by Bl, plus Ohio , the cd in Maine, and Iowa.

  970. Wes says:

    Don’t forget Florida, Tina.

  971. Mr.Vito says:

    One more time for todays vote…

    SHE PERSISTED!

    #SusanCollins
    #Justice

  972. Tina says:

    Wes, and Nc.

    Depressed about California though, but I was one of the voters.

  973. Tina says:

    Jake Tapper
    @jaketapper
    Follow
    From @mkraju: Democrats say Avenatti undercut their case against Kavanaugh @CNN cnn.it/2CsnFoF
    11:45 AM – 6 Oct 2018

    Absolutely, and Fake Flapper and the rest tried their best to assist Porn Lawyer and Dr. fraud.

  974. Blobbie says:

    I don’t want to make too much out of it but I want to remind folks here about all the chicken littles during this process. People were wringing their hands far before they needed too.
    ————————

    I was not predicting Collins would vote no,

    because then you would point out my mistake.

    I just said, if Collins wanted to vote yes, she would have done it quicker.

  975. Blobbie says:

    And remember, if

    Trump and Pence are impeached, Pelosi can impeach Kavanaugh and Gorsuch too, and then make Hillary her VP, and then resign, so that Hillary is president like I wanted.

  976. mnw says:

    Tina & SDC

    The Philly A-Holes have their elite group. Perhaps we should start our own “I actually voted for him!” caucus here?

  977. jason says:

    I don’t thing SDC voted for Trump….

    But I hope you will let him into your club anyway.

  978. jason says:

    I disagree with Bitter about Garland, especially since if the situation was reversed the Dems would never have brought it to a vote either, they would have followed the Biden rule themselves.

    We need to stop worrying about what the MSM says, the “stolen seat” is a crock of crap.

    And the justice Garland was nominated to replace was a staunch conservative, making the “stolen seat” argument even more ridiculous.

    There are no reserved seats for liberals on SCOTUS.

    IF Obama had been serious about getting his nominee approved, he could have gone with someone a lot less liberal than Garland, who is a rabid opponent of the 2nd amendment.

    If he had appointed a moderate, he might have gotten a vote. But the moonbats would have howled, so he couldn’t do that.

  979. mnw says:

    Topeka, bitchez! The VICTORY tour!

  980. jason says:

    Of course, the MSM did portray Garland as a moderate.

    Like all their other “moderates”, Garland is no moderate.

    Here are a few descriptions of the MSM

    Ginsburg (NYT)

    “Resolutely centrist jurist”

    “a moderate jurist”

    Sotomayor (WAPO)

    “her record is clearly that of a moderate”

    (LAT)

    Her moderate to liberal record is unlikely to trigger an ideological battle”

    Kagan (NYT)

    A pragmatic centrist Democrat with a sense of politics”

    (LAT)

    “her specialty was finding middle ground on the most contentious issues”

    Breyer (NYT)

    “a judge of moderate leanings, a self described pragmatist”

  981. jason says:

    Last poll before Brazilian election tomorrow

    Bolsonaro (conservative) 41%
    Haddad (far left) 25%
    Ciro (mainstream left) 15%
    Alkmin (moderate conservative) 8%

  982. Chicon says:

    Bolsonaro appears ready to wax the competition, eh?

  983. Wes says:

    It’s under the Louisiana rules system, Chiron. If no candidate gets 50%, it goes to a runoff.

  984. Wes says:

    I’d love to see Whitehouse go down after beclowning himself during the Kavanaugh hearings, but I know it’s not going to happen:

    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/06/gasbag-gop-challenger-takes-aim-senator-yearbook-new-ad/

  985. lisab says:

    huge victory by trump

    imagine if hillary had appointed the last two judges

  986. Blobbie says:

    Putin: Mission Accomplished

  987. ReadyFirst says:

    Amazing freaking day!!! Got to see the Gators beat LSU AND Republicans ruled the day with Kav! Gotta stand your ground!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4ustq-kmQ

  988. Wes says:

    It wouldn’t have happened, Lisa. Even had Hillary won narrowly it wouldn’t have been enough for Dems to reclaim the Senate. McConnell would have kept Scalia’s seat open, and Kennedy wouldn’t have retired.

    Dems would have groused, but with her dismal political skills, Hillary would have been powerless to do anything . Dems certainly weren’t going to flip the Senate in a Hillary midterm, and the GOP would have held out with a bolstered majority for a GOP President to take office in 2021.

  989. Hugh says:

    From the guy who predicted murk was 100% yes. Hugh the great prognosticator predicts tester loses by more than 5.

  990. mnw says:

    Trump: “…A tireless fighter for border security! Helping to protect your family! Kris Kobach!”

    Kobach; “Welcome to Kansas, Mr. President! Welcome to Trump country!”

  991. mnw says:

    Hugh

    The only ones here who’ve never been wrong are the trolls… (& they are lying little sacks of scum.)

  992. mnw says:

    Wes

    Rosy needs to get that message out fast, & somewhere with a much bigger audience than Breitbart radio.

    F it. I’ll send him another donation.

  993. JeffP says:

    New line in Trump stump speech rocks…Republicans are the party of the rule of law the Democrats rule by the mob.

  994. jason says:

    Kobach; “Welcome to Kansas, Mr. President! Welcome to Trump country!”

    Hope springs eternal.

    Kobach is essentially tied.

    Trump won KS by 21.

  995. Poul Harris says:

    The only ones here who’ve never been wrong are the trolls”

    GFY.

    I am always right.

    I can’t help it if people don’t do what they are supposed to.

  996. mnw says:

    SDC/ RF

    The Man is OUT OF BUBBLEGUM in Topeka 2nite!

  997. Mr.Vito says:

    Anyone else worried about how many cats are going unfed during all this protesting?

  998. Chicon says:

    Vito, are those cats really hungry?

  999. mnw says:

    Vito/Chicon

    The lines! I think it’s the longest one to date.

    10000 SRO inside.

    Lotta gd Jayhawk fans there…(peeyeww!) but… we’re all one big happy family tonight.

  1000. Mr.Vito says:

    There may be a serious shortage of Ben and Jerry’s next week.

  1001. Tina says:

    Frank Thorp V
    @frankthorp
    3h
    Replying to @frankthorp
    Q: Do you feel like the Senate has reached rock bottom (as Sen Flake has said)? MURKOWSKI: “It certainly feels lower than any place I’ve been.”

    Oh please, and you willingly reward the behavior.

  1002. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Washington Post had an article saying how important Trump’s attack on Ford was to the Kavanaugh confirmation:

    “Again and again, President Trump was instructed not to do it. A cadre of advisers, confidants and lawmakers all urged him — implored him, really — not to personally attack the women who had accused Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh of sexual assault.
    So he did it anyway.
    Addressing thousands at a boisterous rally in Mississippi, Trump relied on his own visceral sense of the moment and mocked Christine Blasey Ford for gaps in her memory, directly impugning the accuser’s credibility.
    Establishment Republicans initially reacted with horror. But Trump’s 36-second off-script jeremiad proved a key turning point toward victory for the polarizing nominee, White House officials and Kavanaugh allies said, turbocharging momentum behind Kavanaugh just as his fate appeared most in doubt.
    Tuesday evening in Southhaven, Miss., Trump laid into Ford with the ruthlessness of an attack dog and the pacing of a stand-up comedian. The crowd roared with laughter and applause. Aides privately crowed as footage of the performance was played and replayed many times over, shifting the national discussion from scrutiny of Kavanaugh’s honesty and drinking habits to doubts about Ford’s memory. And in Washington, Republican senators — though they condemned Trump’s mockery of Ford — felt emboldened to aggressively demand Kavanaugh’s confirmation, which became a near-certainty Friday and looks to become official with a vote Saturday.
    “As long as he was willing to go to the mat for him, it fortified probably people up here, too,” said Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the chamber’s third-ranking Republican leader.”

  1003. mnw says:

    SDC

    I read that. I thought it was fascinating.

    Altho Trump didn’t repeat it at his next rally.

  1004. Tina says:

    But the Clinto groupie said that trump lied about upstairs and downstairs.

    Way over the Clinin Groupies head.

  1005. Tina says:

    I really think trump was summarizing the Mitchell report.

  1006. bio mom says:

    Kavanaugh has already been sworn in!

  1007. Mr.Vito says:

    “Kavanaugh has already been sworn in!”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

  1008. sandiegocitizen says:

    Trump is an amazing showman. Maybe the best speaker since Reagan. Were a month from an election, and the Democrats are in disarray and demoralized. The image people have of them is a screaming mob.

  1009. BayernFan says:

    Plus at his core Trump is an optimist and a happy warrior.

  1010. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is a terrible speaker in the traditional sense. He is very eff ctive at reaching his audience. Both can be true.

  1011. Ron N says:

    Wait there’s Russia and Stormy to go back to make the R depressed.

  1012. jason says:

    Bitter, did you see mnw wants to form his own club?

    It’s been tried before, remember the Hobos?

  1013. Bitterlaw says:

    The HOBOs could never touch the A-holes.

  1014. Bitterlaw says:

    The only other HHR club with staying power is the Deadenders.

  1015. Chicon says:

    Oh, so HHR members are allowed to be in two clubs at once? Cool.

  1016. sandiegocitizen says:

    1039. Bitter, curious what you mean by terrible speaker in the traditional sense?
    Who would you refer to as a good speaker in the traditional sense?

    Agree that Trump is unorthodox, but so was Reagan and William Jennings Bryan.

  1017. sandiegocitizen says:

    Anyone who wants to join the HOBOS should move to California. There everywhere here.

  1018. jason says:

    Reagan was an excellent orator, had a great speaking voice. and delivery. Being an actor and former broadcaster didn’t hurt.

    Trump is not even close to being in the same league.

    I never heard William Jennings Bryan speak so I can’t comment on him.

  1019. sandiegocitizen says:

    If they ever want to make a remake of the movie “Night of the Living Day” All the extras they need are wandering down my neighborhood’s streets and are in the park.

  1020. mnw says:

    RE: good speaker:

    The proof is in the pudding!

    Tell me another politician who can ROUTINELY get thousands of people to stand in line for 4-6 hours to hear him speak? Still waiting… (crickets)

    I mean, did Jesus draw THAT big a crowd for The Sermon on the Mount ?!? And he only gave that speech ONCE!

    (apologies to dbl) for the sacrilege)

  1021. NYCmike says:

    Trump is right for NOW…..that is all that matters.

    He enjoys this cr*p!

    I was with my wife’s friends last night, and one of the husbands, a big liberal, lit into me about how EVIL Trump is.

    I told him “Good, just like every other Republican President and Presidential candidate for the last 50+ years. Just make sure you call him Mr. President.”

  1022. Wes says:

    Ever heard of Bill Clinton, Mnw?

    He exudes charisma far beyond any other pol during my lifetime than Reagan. Even at 72, Clinton is still electrifying on the stump.

    Trump gets mention for his antics and quirky delivery style but is nowhere near the level of Reagan or Clinton.

  1023. Wes says:

    I would also note Obama at his peak drew crowds easily rivaling what Trump gets. In 2008, when he came here to NC, people were flocking to Obama’s rallies. That changed later on when Obama became—or at least outed himself as—an increasingly petty jackass, but during the 2008 campaign and the early years of his presidency, Obama could draw crowds like few pols in this country’s history.

  1024. mnw says:

    Charisma is a matter of taste. Crowd size is a matter of record. So is aggregate crowd size. I’m done here, Wes. Split some more hairs.

  1025. sandiegocitizen says:

    I can think of many quotes from Reagan’s speeches, cannot think of one from Clinton. “I never inhaled” or “I never touched that woman” were memorable for the wrong reasons. The only speech I can remember is the disastrous Convention speech where he almost had to be pulled off the stage. He wad affable, but not an inspiring speaker.

  1026. Tgca says:

    The AZ female sexual assault prosecutor greatly assisted and lent credibility with her report detailing inconsistencies in Fords testimony. Her report outlined it would not normally rise to a case with enough credibility to prosecute. Most reasonable folks are not going to believe a female who has spent her career prosecuting sexual assault cases is somehow going to risk her reputation and issue a report favoring the GOP because they wanted her to do so. She was known for being a straight shooter and not a political prosecutor.

    In hindsight, this was much better strategy than having the GOP Senators try to question Fords credibility and inconsistencies, and then have the MSM loop it 24/7 and make her more of a victim by uncomfortable questions by older white men.

    A professional prosecutor with experience did it in a compassionate way and then issued a report basically substantiating Ford lacked credibility. That along with the FBI report go further than any questions by the GOP Senators.

  1027. sandiegocitizen says:

    Noticed at the Kansas rally that Lindsey Graham got one of the loudest cheers.

  1028. MichiganGuy says:

    * Breaking News *
    .
    The UFC’s No. 2-ranked heavyweight contender Derrick Lewis colludes with Trump against Russian.
    .
    “Derrick Lewis: “I forgot, few hours before the fight, Donald Trump called me told me we gotta knock this Russian Mother F*cker Out!”
    .
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/10/07/twitter-reacts-to-derrick-lewis-legendary-octagon-interview/38077939/
    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  1029. sandiegocitizen says:

    Boom! Quinnipiac poll has Democratic advantage falling from 14% to 7%.

  1030. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    After reading this article, I believe that Robbie, CG,Arthur M. and MD will do likewise. Hope springs eternal, I guess!

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/10/trump-steadfastness-on-kavanaugh-wins-over-some-never-trump-conservatives/

  1031. Tina says:

    CJ Pearson
    @thecjpearson
    13h
    Once upon a time, Never Trumpers such as @BillKristol and @benshapiro proclaimed that @realDonaldTrump would never appoint a conservative to the SCOTUS. Fast forward two years: he’s appointed two. If we had followed their lead, voting against Trump, there would be ZERO.
    View details · Z

  1032. Wes says:

    Well, then fair enough, Mnw. I guess Bernie Sanders should be President if we’re going Gaga over crowd size at rallies:

    https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/250799-sanders-pulls-crowd-of-27500-in-los-angeles

  1033. DW says:

    Kavanaugh sworn in–now its time spike the football.

  1034. jason says:

    Tell me another politician who can ROUTINELY get thousands of people to stand in line for 4-6 hours to hear him speak? Still waiting… (crickets)”

    Zzzzzzz……I doubt any of them are there because they think Trump is a great orator.

    Hitler with laryngitis would have attracted large crowds too. Sanders, a 74 year old guy without any great speaking skills attracted large crowds too.

    The reason Trump attracts large crowds is not his speaking skills, but that people identify with him and he gives them red meat in his speeches. Everyone that goes to his rallies knows they will be entertained, not bored to death with a stump speech.

    Trump is a mediocre speaker and draws big crowds. Both can be true.

  1035. jason says:

    Once upon a time, Never Trumpers such as @BillKristol and @benshapiro proclaimed that @realDonaldTrump would never appoint a conservative to the SCOTUS.”

    I always said Trump’s picks would be better than Hillary’s.

    However, I really did not trust him to appoint conservatives.

    I was wrong on that. His judicial appointments across the board have been excellent

  1036. jason says:

    I would also note Obama at his peak drew crowds easily rivaling what Trump gets.”

    Yep, he filled the stadium in Denver at the end of the 2008 campaign. The “Greek column” speech.

    And Obama is no great orator either. He has a droning monotone delivery that is boring as heck. But moonbats wanted to hear him say the oceans would stop rising if he got elected.

  1037. mnw says:

    How many nights IN A ROW did he fill it, jason? Oh, once. I see.

    How many consecutive rallies did Zero have where people stood in line 4-6 hours waiting to get in?

  1038. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #1065- jason
    So, are you now leaning toward giving Trump your 2020 Presidential vote or is your pride preventing you from doing so?
    My recollection is that you mocked a number of us here at HHR because we said our 2016 Trump vote was primarily attributable to saving the Federal Courts from becoming an adjunct of the Democrat Party?

  1039. mnw says:

    SDC 1056

    Topeka rally, dammit! I can not allow that to go unchallenged, because… Missouri. We really aren’t that fond of those people, you know?

    Quantrll had a lot of good ideas.

  1040. mnw says:

    1069 sb “Quantrill”

    Sheep

    Wanna start an “HHR Trump voters” caucus? There really weren’t that many of us here. A clear minority, I think. Tina; Phil; NYC; RF; DW (I think);

  1041. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mnw
    Did you notice the optimism expressed by the RRH Wise Men about the Missouri Senate race? They attribute it to a recent poll showing Hawley(R-MO) doing well in some poll taken of a local race in the KC suburbs.
    What vibes are you getting about the race?

  1042. mnw says:

    I forgot to include Tg.

    Brotherly love, Tg.

  1043. Wes says:

    I guess Mnw should be a Sanders guy if consecutive nights of large crowds is a criterion for—well, anything:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/07/bernie-sanderss-big-crowds-in-california-by-the-numbers/?utm_term=.6035df3e3912

  1044. Bitterlaw says:

    My criticism of Trump is that I prefer people giving speeches to use complete sentences that flow together.

    Reagan was a master. JFK was very good. Obama was also a good orator when making prepared speeches (pretty zzzzz in debates).

    Walt said that William Jennings Bryan.# Cross of Gold Speech was brilliant and he heard it several times in person.

  1045. Redmen4ever says:

    Nobody draw crowds like Obama. But, compare Obama 2008 to Obama 2012. In 2012, Obama was no longer the Messiah.

    Obama was “discovered” at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. At the time, he was almost a non-entity. A state Senator of no particular accomplishment. He had been very successful at U. of Chicago Law School in the classroom, where his lectures often ended in standing ovations. But, he wrote no law review articles as would be expected of an academic. His book was not the best-seller it would later become, although it was critically acclaimed. He was late in submitting the manuscript, and may have had more than the usual amount of editorial help in completing it.

    It is always difficult to compare speakers across time and space. Some speakers like Abraham Lincoln were compelling outdoors in great public speeches such as the Lincoln-Douglas debates and also indoors, as in his Coopers Union address, combining weaving reason and wit into argument and eloquence.

    The Messianic quality, on the other hand, is as much about the expectations of the audience as it is about the charm of the speaker. MLK had that charm, and so did Adolph Hitler.

    As for Donald Trump, he has a unique ability to connect with his audience on a very personal level. It is like he is sitting in your living room with you, like Johnny Carson in his day. This personal connection comes through in his direct communication to his followers through social media.

    Trump uses sarcasm and exaggeration as part of his wit, which to many people seems “unpresidential.” He deliberately appeals to a lower stratus of the population, causing many people think he is himself not very smart. But the guy is a genius. he got elected President when this was impossible. And, he is re-shaping the geopolitics of the world, from the no longer relevant post-WWII orientation, to a 21st Century orientation.

  1046. Wes says:

    Personally I’m ambivalent on Trump. I understand he has his hardcore supporters, but the hagiographic adulation of him as damn near a god reminds me of the same thing the Dems were saying about Obama from 2008 to 2016.

    The Trump Cult of Personality is not something I’ve ever found to be appealing—especially since many Trumpists actively advocate the purge of various demonstrably conservative Republicans for insufficient loyalty to the Donald.

  1047. mnw says:

    Sheep

    Wes posted that poll before The Wise Men, bless his Libertarian heart. See 965, above, altho the link is dead.

    Yes, it’s the best news so far, imo. Shows Hawley running 5 points better than Trump did, in a western MO state senate district. Trump won it by 1 pt. Hawley leads it by 5 pts.

    Good catch by Wes.

    I’m surprised RRH regards that as GOOD news.

    I’m cautiously optimistic.

  1048. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    1h
    “The Democrats have become too extreme and too dangerous to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob.” -@realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/TfBDWPKReM

    Well, the midterm had been natiolized. We shall see what happens,

  1049. Human Question says:

    Is Nick Short?

  1050. dblaikie says:

    I am not a huge fan of Brietbart but I think they are right in calling Fox News a loser in the Kavanaugh fight. Along with the rest of the media they went along with politically correct “Dr. Ford was credible” mantra. Even after the devastating report by the lawyer who questioned Ford, and the sworn testimony of her ex-boyfriend they never left the land of credible. It took President Trump’s hard hitting speech in Mississippi to rip the veil of credibility off of Dr. Ford. It should have been the media.

  1051. Wes says:

    Previous Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and even initially Obama took a more ecumenical approach to voter appeal.

    In the case of Reagan and Clinton, this paid off with wide reelection victories. Obama, however, irredeemably lost a significant chunk of the electorate early on and adopted the divide-and-rule strategy to reelection GWB had employed in 2004.

    This made Obama the second wedge-issue President in a row and grossly polarized the electorate. Hillary ran strictly on appealing to the Obama electorate while Trump made his pitch to those Obama had abandoned.

    Trump was the harder working candidate and won. Given the close nature of four states critical to Trump’s victory, I have to say his Bryan-style populism would have worked against a more substantial opponent who didn’t assume entitlement to the presidency.

  1052. mnw says:

    All of THIS to confirm a standard-issue Bushie judge?

    This guy is no Scalia. The Left cried wolf too soon.

  1053. Wes says:

    How the hell did I lose the top part of my previous post?

    Ah, well.

    Here are the bullet points:

    1) Trump speaks well to a certain audience and tailors his message to them.

    2) He’s a latter-day populist like William Jennings Bryan or Huey Long.

    3) His appeal primarily to rural and exurban voters has led to a diminution of support for him in the suburbs.

  1054. mnw says:

    Well, then, the DEMs should beat him rather easily in 2020, Wes.

    Piece of cake for them, really.

  1055. Redmen4ever says:

    The credibility issue: Trump initially also said Dr. Ford’s accusation was credible. This was before Ms. Mitchell’s questioning of her, and before the committee’s and then the FBI’s investigation of her. With no collaborating evidence, internal inconsistencies, contradictory evidence, and with either perjury or faulty memories, her testimony lost credibility.

    Senator Collins talked about the more likely true than false standard (I gather this is the same as the preponderance of the evidence standard). A lesser standard, such as probable cause, could have warranted further investigation or even a no vote. Dr. Ford’s accusation fell, after the work of the committee, fell from the even lower reasonable suspicion standard to mere speculation (as would warrant an informal police investigation). It is now obvious that her accusation should have never been made public.

  1056. Wes says:

    Don’t read something I didn’t say into my post, Mnw.

    I’ve repeatedly said the current crop of Dems looking to challenge Trump will have a hard time beating them. They’re going to have a hard time appealing to people outside their immediate base just as Hillary did.

    That doesn’t mean Trump is a lock though.

    Despite having his passionate supporters, he has as much ability to put his foot in his mouth and become a stumbling block to himself as to gin up ardent support.

    If I had to predict now I’d say Trump probably loses a handful of EVs but still wins. It will all depend on a number of factors, not the least being the quality of his opponent and the perception of him among the electorate in two years.

  1057. Redmen4ever says:

    sorry, reasonable suspicion would warrant an informal police investigation; not mere speculation.

  1058. Redmen4ever says:

    Wes, do you include Mayor Bloomberg among “the current crop of Dems”?

  1059. jason says:

    #1065- jason
    So, are you now leaning toward giving Trump your 2020 Presidential vote or is your pride preventing you from doing so?
    My recollection is that you mocked a number of us here at HHR because we said our 2016 Trump vote was primarily attributable to saving the Federal Courts from becoming an adjunct of the Democrat Party?

    Your recollection sucks, if you want to comment on my 2016 position either do it accurately or GFY.

    I made clear that Hillary’s judicial appointments would be disastrous for conservatives, and in fact the consequences would NEVER be reversed. I never mocked anyone for making that point since I made it many times before. And I often stated those that felt comfortable voting for Trump should do so. I mocked a lot of people who were making silly excuses for Trump’s record, behavior, and statements, not for voting for him.

    As far as 2020, pride does not factor into it. I have already said I was wrong in stating Trump was not fit for the office. He has proven otherwise. If I can say that, I can vote for him 2020.

    IF there is a credible challenge from someone who could win the GE, I will consider it. Would I prefer a Rubio or Kasich as President? Yes. Am I going to support an effort by them that will just divide the party and hand the election to the Dems? No.

  1060. Tgca says:

    1077

    I think the adulation of Trump by many is because of 3 major things.

    1st, he has shown “he feels their pain and is willing to do something about it.” He will fight back and get down and dirty instead of just suck it up and take it.

    2nd, he is going to say something many are thinking but have been “silenced” about because they’ll be called bigots, ignorant, or worse.

    3rd, he entertains them and is quite funny in his delivery.

    Given those things, people are very forgiving about his faults and look the other way. He is perceived as making a personal connection and fighting for those no one seems to care about. It’s like the poor guy from the ghetto who fights to make it out and become someone. People respect that persons accomplushmemts against all odds and willing to look the other way on some other things they’ve done.

  1061. jason says:

    ow many nights IN A ROW did he fill it, jason? Oh, once. I see.

    How many consecutive rallies did Zero have where people stood in line 4-6 hours waiting to get in?”

    Dozens. Obama had huge crowds.

    And like Trump, not a good orator.

    Thanks for proving my point.

  1062. Wes says:

    What is Bloomberg today, Red? He changes political parties more than Trump.

  1063. jason says:

    Good analysis by Tgca.

    Trump gets big crowds for many other reason than being a great speaker.

    I personally never watch his speeches, I don’t find them inspiring at all. Just like I never watched one Obama SCOTUS speech.

    I sometimes watch Joel Ostee even though I have no connection to any of the content, I just admire his skills as a public speaker. Outstanding.

  1064. mnw says:

    Tg 1092

    I think that’s perceptive.

    I also think the GOPe does not understand the Obama/Trump voters. They are NOT going to revert to norm In order to get “free stuff” from the DEMs next time. I think they saw continued governance by Zero & HRC as an existential threat to the country they love. The only way they drop out of the GOP coalition is if they’re taken for granted & treated with contempt by the GOP as they were before Trump.

  1065. jason says:

    Well, then, the DEMs should beat him rather easily in 2020, Wes.

    Piece of cake for them, really.”

    Heh, intellectual dishonesty post of the day.

    We went from discussing Trump’s speaking skills to “if we think he is not a good orator then he can easily be beaten”.

    Amazing.

  1066. jason says:

    Joel Ostee?

  1067. jason says:

    GOPe”

    Translation: anyone who is not a deadender.

  1068. Diamond Jim says:

    MC

  1069. Tgca says:

    1077

    I also don’t believe that Trumpers want to purge conservatives because they oppose Trump as much as they DONT trust these conservatives who OFTEN promise to fight for them and then abandon them.

    In many ways, GWB, Jeb, Rubio, Kasich, and many other so called conservatives would back down or turn the other way when they were needed most by some. Therefore, they earned that distrust. Rubio was a perfect example. Rubio the senator after 2 years was not Rubio the FL candidate. I whole-hearted supported this FL candidate but was turned off by his DC antics and self-believe of being the GOP savior and the only one to build a bridge to the Latin community so therefore he was ENTITLED to be crowned the GOP nominee. I took great pleasure in watching him knocked down to size by Christie and then ridiculed in the FL primary. If that makes me a bad guy or Trumper so be it. Rubio by far, disappointed this hottie conservative Latino white trash ghetto boy the most of all since we came from some of the same places but he seemed to forget those origins to believe all the “savior” crap bestowed on him by many. He was their tool to reach out to Latinos instead of a partner to the community.

    I don’t believe Trump is a neocon at all but I believe in a great deal of his agenda and know he will fearlessly fight when needed and practically negotiate when the time calls…more so then any POTUS in my lifetime. Hence, I’ll forgive his obnoxious behavior.

    That’s why I trust his leadership over many of the so called “ True Conservatives.”

  1070. Wes says:

    Tg, Ben Sasse is a staunch conservative. The Trumpists are calling for taking him out in a primary only because Sasse doesn’t like Trump.

    Sasse has voted for every major piece of legislation Trump has advocated. Before Trump became President Sasse was known as a loyal conservative.

    There’s exactly no evidence he plans to go wobbly. He doesn’t like Trump though. That’s why they want him gone.

    It’s a Cult of Personality among many Trumpists. Insufficient devotion to Trump means a purge from the party. I’m not at all comfortable with that.

  1071. Tgca says:

    I’ve never been to a Trump event and would probably never go because I really don’t like large crowds at all unless they’re there to praise my humble being and bearing gifts. But I think many of these events are entertaining for some and like a night out where people leave feeling good and part of something. It’s like going to a concert or sporting event. People feel they were part of it and entertained, and much cheaper too.

    I get that’s why they stand in line for hours. That’s not my thing. I’d rather sit in Starbucks drinking my iced green tea and reading my books and coyly mildly flirting with some straight guy sitting there with his wife or girlfriend. That makes me feel more entertained.

  1072. Bitterlaw says:

    I like the GOP Establishment for one simple reason. There are a lot more of them than deadenders. The way to get into the Establishment is to win elections. Deadenders should try it more often.

  1073. mnw says:

    no evidence he plans to go wobbly:

    Sasse tweet: “I think about changing parties every day”

  1074. Tgca says:

    1102

    I agree we should not purge folks from the party since you need a big tent to be successful as a party. That is the anger speaking of Trump supporters instead of the logic.

    But Sasse and others do come across as looking down on these folks and appear to be embarrassed by them, and they sense that as these CongressCritters get on TV with their condescending lecturing and phony sound bites. It’s not how he votes but how he says things and whether he’s willing to fight for them in his words beyond his actions. That’s their issue with many of these True Conservatives, they don’t connect but expect their votes. It’s how many AA feel about Dems.

    For the record, I don’t like to listen to Sasse either because he reminds me he thinks he’s smarter and knows better then all.

  1075. mnw says:

    I have no interest in supporting a primary challenge to Sasse.

    I will contribute to such a challenge to Murkowski, assuming she runs & I’m still alive then.

  1076. Redmen4ever says:

    The drought is over.

    CBS/YuoGov: Blackburn +8, Cruz +6, McSally -3, Hugin -10

  1077. Tgca says:

    1105

    This is why folks are turned off by Sasse and his ilk. He says things like this and directs his comments at the party. He would be better served if he stated his disagreements with Trump himself and not threaten the voters of the party. No body likes that.

  1078. Mr.Vito says:

    Phil Kerpen
    ?Verified account @kerpen

    Wow, @LindseyGrahamSC (who has never opposed a sitting senator) says he’ll go to Trump states with Dems who voted against Kavanaugh and actively campaign against them.

  1079. mnw says:

    They have Sinema 47-43 over McSally.

  1080. Mr.Vito says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html

    “White Women, Come Get Your People

    They will defend their privilege to the death.”

  1081. Chicon says:

    1101 – Absolutely dead on accurate in all respects.

  1082. Tgca says:

    1112

    Gender traitors? Give me a break. This is clearly another “white folks are privileged” rant. You could equally say when famous AA men are accused of rape or sexual assault (think M. Jackson) notice how quickly most pundits in the AA defended them immediately as a witch hunt. It’s not a black or white thing in this particular case, it was about credibility, corroboration, and inconsistencies by Ford. If I recall these same arguments were made in favor of M. Jackson even though there was much more there then in this case. It’s just cherry picking argument.

  1083. Mr.Vito says:

    Mary Matalin

    “Of the many incredible miraculous things that President Trump has done, and this is nothing short of a miracle what he has got done, but he has done it in the face of constant thwarting and lying and fallaciousness and these virulent attacks on him and his person and his people,” she said. They’re chasing his cabinet members and his staff out of restaurants. They are sending private information of Senators. He has exposed the hypocrisy and the ineptitude of the loyal opposition.

    People are tuning in and they’re saying who are these people? Who is this Blumenthal guy? Or [Keith] Ellison? What is the standard? We don’t even have a standard anymore. You have a picture of your girlfriend being beat up and you have medical records and you have no corroboration on Brett Kavanaugh and you’re just blowing up his life and his friend’s lives. It transcends politics.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/05/mary_matalin_nothing_short_of_a_miracle_what_trump_has_got_done_in_the_face_of_constant_thwarting.html

  1084. jason says:

    mnw, are you lying now or were you lying 3 days ago?

    mnw says:
    October 7, 2018 at 11:01 am

    I have no interest in supporting a primary challenge to Sasse.

    mnw says:
    October 4, 2018 at 9:49 am

    I wish someone would stick a fork up Sasse’s adz, btw. A BIG fork– possibly a tuning fork. I am hoping at the bit to contribute to a serious GOP primary challenger.

  1085. jason says:

    “Of the many incredible miraculous things that President Trump has done, and this is nothing short of a miracle what he has got done, but he has done it in the face of constant thwarting and lying and fallaciousness and these virulent attacks on him and his person and his people,” she said. ”

    Exactly.

    I have made this point to Amoral Scumbag many times.

    That is why I support Trump’s war on the fake, dishonest, partisan Pravda-like mentality MSM 100%.

    Trump may ultimately lose the war with MSM, but he had no choice but to wage it.

  1086. jason says:

    I like the GOP Establishment for one simple reason. There are a lot more of them than deadenders. The way to get into the Establishment is to win elections. Deadenders should try it more often.”

    I am not sure about that.

    I left the party because I think the majority of GOP voters don’t share the values that attracted me to the party in the first place.

  1087. mnw says:

    I changed my mind when Sasse shut up & voted for K.

    I believe him when he says he may switch parties.

    I don’t like being called a “liar,” jason.

  1088. Chicon says:

    The black population almost universally votes for Democrats. They’ve received next to nothing for it. What should they do about it? If they run candidates against the “Establishment” democrats, they’ll be vilified as evil deadenders. Maybe they should just lay back and enjoy it.

    They can fight for change from within, or just quit the party….

  1089. Tina says:

    Sasse erred when stating that he wishes to change parties.

    I am not impressed with his arrogant attitude.

    Hopefully it changes quickly, but the switching parties line is of concern, Seems like a fake line to curry fsvor with the media.

  1090. Tina says:

    Plus, best I can tell Sassehole has not accomplished much.

    Is favorable rating, while ok, may worsen

    In short, a disappointment,

  1091. Phil says:

    Change parties? Wait. Sasse represents Nebraska. Right?

    I will go on the Soros payroll before Sasse joins Schumer’s Democratic Senate Caucus.

    Come on. Sasse is clearly talking out his ass.

  1092. jason says:

    I don’t like being called a “liar,” jason.

    That is easily remedied.

    Your explanation is BS because Sasse’s vote was never in doubt.

  1093. Wes says:

    Calm down, Phil. Sasse said he’s contemplated becoming an Indy out frustration with his perception that the GOP lacks a long-term vision for the country:

    https://www.omaha.com/news/politics/ben-sasse-asked-about-possible-party-change-i-conceive-of/article_c47fdfeb-7958-5906-90d9-e26e25a1b922.html

  1094. Chicon says:

    Agree, Phil. Sasse is a self-important clown. He votes conservative. Both can be true. There’s probably dozens of other people who can replace him in the Senate.

  1095. Wes says:

    If you read what Sasse said in context, he airs a lot of concerns many of us express about the GOP. I think the talk of becoming an Indy is probably more theatrical than anything else, but Sasse does make some good points his musing about a party switch overshadows.

  1096. Wes says:

    We can say the same thing about Ted Cruz, Chiron. That’s a self-important jackanapes if ever I’ve seen one.

  1097. jason says:

    Sasse is a staunch conservative who thinks the party might be moving in the wrong direction.

    That is not going wobbly, I feel the same way, but still support Trump where I think he is implementing conservative principles and policies.

    If the deadenders are going to discard every conservative that doesn’t like Trump, good luck on winning any elections.

  1098. jason says:

    gree, Phil. Sasse is a self-important clown. He votes conservative.”

    Ahh, so we can replace grandstanding arrogant jackass Ted Cruz with another conservative?

    Good to know.

  1099. Wes says:

    That seems to be their plan, Jason. Absolute, unwavering fealty to Trump is their standard of support.

  1100. Tina says:

    We can replace Cruz with Beto.

    -Jebot

  1101. Wes says:

    Unfortunately Trumpists are definitely a Cult of Personality:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0

  1102. Tina says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @Ocasio2018
    Follow
    It is well past time we eliminate the Electoral College, a shadow of slavery’s power on America today that undermines our nation as a democratic republic. twitter.com/juliaioffe/sta…
    1:14 PM – 6 Oct 2018

    Well, sometimes people,say even more stupid things than Sassehole.

  1103. CG says:

    Sasse never said he was thinking about “changing” parties to the Democrats. He said he thinks about leaving the Republican Party to be an Independent. There is a difference.

  1104. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    3h
    Replying to @JustenWomack
    Her stand, and her speech were indeed quite courageous. But again, we should NEVER be in the position that Susan Collins is a deciding vote for anything.
    View conversation ·

    Amen. And it took the President to reiterate what The Mitchell report said, when he shredded Ford.

  1105. Tina says:

    As far as trumps statements about Ford, he said it only once.

    The media and the never Trumpers did not like it because it was the truth. She could not recall any specifics, other than a one piece and one beer.

    The media objected to it but covered what he said, that is why he tweets. Media gets pissed off, but repeats what he says, so his message gets out

    Mission Accomplished

  1106. Wes says:

    I wonder how Schweikart feels about the Deadenders who cost the Republicans a good half dozen winnable seats since 2010, Tina.

  1107. Wes says:

    Does anyone really care what Trump said about Ford now? I personally was never worried about it. I can even see the case people are making that Trump helped Kavanaugh win confirmation by making the statement.

  1108. dblaikie says:

    Just a thought from a guy who doesn’t like polls but a few years ago lived and died by them. If the media is right the Democratic base is already energized. Now if the media is right the GOP base has become energized. And just say that that the independent voters are a mixed bag. If so seats that are truly toss-ups have moved into the lean GOP column. Seats that are truly lean Democratic 14 days ago are now toss-ups and so on down the line.

    So take DW’s fine work and do the math with those changes and see what you come up with.

  1109. Tina says:

    Will Sasehile caucus with the Rs, if he changes to I?

    Why not replace him with an R?

  1110. Redmen4ever says:

    Those CBS/YouGov polls:

    Tennessee – not surprising. Bredesen’s endorsement of K., and dis-endorsement of Schumer signaled what his internals were telling him.

    Texas – confirms fragmentary indicators from Siena polls of C.Ds. “Slip sliding away.” Paul Simon.

    Arizona – runaway in Goober race and Trump above water, indicates still some bad blood from primary. Since the poll concluded during the K. fiasco, not after, the coalescing on non-hater/socialist vote might not yet have happened in the state. Stay tuned.

    New Jersey – just as our side is coalescing, so is the other. This is not good for our people running federal office in deep blue states.

  1111. Tina says:

    And what are Sasehile complaints about the R party?

    I do not recall him stating any.

  1112. dblaikie says:

    For my scenario to be wrong then two things must have happened.

    1. The energized Democratic base has now become the super energized, on steroids energetic base. While the GOP is just the energized base.

    2. Independents over Kavanaugh were energized to the Democratic side.

    Personally I like my thinking better.

  1113. Wes says:

    Read the link I posted in 1125, Tina. Sasse is actually rather thoughtful in the article.

  1114. Chicon says:

    1128 – indeed we can, Wes.

  1115. Tina says:

    Sasse never said he was thinking about “changing” parties to the Democrats. He said he thinks about leaving the Republican Party to be an Independent. There is a difference.

    Lol.

  1116. Chicon says:

    1131 – Wes, where in my comment about Sasse did I mention – directly, or indirectly – Trump?

  1117. Chicon says:

    1130 – gibberish. Not sure what you’re responding to…. Reading minds again?

  1118. mnw says:

    Sasse did not announce his vote until the very end. There was a LOT of doubt. McConnell listed him as one of the undecideds about 48 hrs before the vote.

    McSally has trailed now in all 6 of the last RCP polls.

  1119. mnw says:

    Tina

    Hear about the new drink? The Blasey-Ford? It’s nonalcoholic. There’s no proof.

  1120. jason says:

    McConnell listed him as one of the undecideds about 48 hrs before the vote”

    BS

    The four undecided were Flake, Murkowski Collins and Manchin.

    “McConnell has 48 senators in the “yes” camp. If two of the remaining undecided voters decide to join them, Vice President Mike Pence will come break the 50-50 tie. If three or more come over to the “yes” side, Pence won’t be needed (but it may have implications for when Kavanaugh is actually confirmed — see below).
    The view from senior GOP officials and senators, as of Thursday night: Throughout the past 24 hours, Republican officials grew more confident that Collins and Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona would come their way. Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska is viewed as the most on-the-fence member of the four undecided. Manchin, who reviewed the FBI report again Friday morning, is considered getable by Republicans, but largely dependent on where the three GOP senators go first.”

  1121. mnw says:

    Sasse announced his vote on Friday morning, jason.

  1122. dblaikie says:

    1151 I grew up in Nevada. It has well established history of over reading Democratic strength. Please realize that without the Culinary Union in Las Vegas, Nevada would be a red state. Why you ask? Because every election the union charters scores of buses to bring their people to the polls. The Casino’s actually give them paid leave to make their vote.

  1123. Chicon says:

    If Sassy were to become an independent, the Republicans would still have a primary the next time he’s up (assuming he runs). Let’s say a mainstream conservative wins the primary; then splits the conservative vote with Sassy, resulting in a Democrat winning.

    Wouldn’t Sassy be the deadender?

  1124. dblaikie says:

    Oh in case you didn’t know the Culinary Workers Union represents all the hourly employee’s in the gaming industry. Most powerful local union in the USA.

  1125. Tina says:

    I seem to recall sasses being one of the late deciders, based on a Google search. There are several articles.

    He seemed to be always a yes though or leaning that way, fwiw.

    I cannot let .murkowskis votes go. She failed us on obumblercare and Kavanaugh. She rewarded bad behavior by Dr. fraud, her unethical lawyahs, and Frankenstein.

  1126. Mr.Vito says:

    Sasse staffers told ACLU activists that he was undecided Thursday; his spokesman confirmed, but said he was leaning yes.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/haley-byrd/spokesman-sasse-leans-yes-on-kavanaugh

    Just reporting a fact. Don’t care.

  1127. Chicon says:

    Sasse seems to see himself as the guy who always does the right thing. Morals mean a lot to him – allegedly. When DiFi pulled the sleaze play with Ford, and then others piled on in an organized fashion, Graham appropriately blew a gasket. Where was Mr. High Ground? Perhaps he raised Cain and I missed it. If he didn’t….phony….

  1128. sandiegocitizen says:

    Right now, Mitch McConnell’s job is to keep the Senate Republicans together as a 51 member working majority. That includes keeping Murkowski in the fold, as an active member. Will be interesting to see what happens with Manchin and the Democrats.

  1129. Mr.Vito says:

    “Perhaps he raised Cain and I missed it.”

    He gave a speech Wednesday. It was the one where he said he wanted Trump to pick Barrett, and it was reported as a shot at Trump; others said it was a mischaracterization… so you should read it and see what you think.

  1130. lisab says:

    actually people have studied why trump is such a successful speaker

    and many of the comments above touch on them.

    basically, unlike people like reagan or bryan, trump is a populist speaker. people relate to him. they don’t think he looks down on them. they listen to him, and think he shares their thoughts.

    they skip over the fact he is a nyc billionaire who does not drink.

    however, he is rated as a very effective speaker.

  1131. Wes says:

    I have a suggestion for those who want to see Murkowski go:

    Get a competent primary challenger for her in 2022. No, Palin and Miller do not qualify as competent.

  1132. BayernFan says:

    I thought sasse was a clear yes when he questioned Kavanaugh on the 27th. If he is claiming to be undeciddd after that….. lol. I suspect he like most politicians he was being cute. Maybe too cute. I’m not impressed with him. At all.

  1133. lisab says:

    These are the kind of women who think that being falsely accused of rape is almost as bad as being raped.

    These women are gender traitors, to borrow a term from the dystopian TV series “The Handmaid’s Tale.” They’ve made standing by the patriarchy a full-time job. The women who support them show up at the Capitol wearing “Women for Kavanaugh” T-shirts,

    but also probably tell their daughters to put on less revealing clothes when they go out.
    ———————–

    being falsely accused of rape is not as bad as being raped,

    but it is pretty horrific. one young man just recently got released from prison (for five years). he was an athlete. he obviously lost his university scholarship and spent the best years of his athletic life in PRISON, accused of a sex crime.

    also, i would absolutely tell my daughters to change before going out if they were dressed like a tramp

  1134. lisab says:

    the quotes in #1166 are from mr vito’s arcticle in #1112

    and the young man false accused was brian banks

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/wrongfully-imprisoned-banks-career-nfl-article-1.2090727

  1135. Chicon says:

    Wes, can you give your definition of “competent”?

  1136. Phil says:

    Cruz ever said anything about changing parties?

    In November we have a choice here in Texas – Cruz or Beto. Fairly certain how I am voting.

  1137. lisab says:

    After Kavanaugh confirmation, Pelosi vows to unearth FBI docs as Dems demand impeachment inquiry

  1138. Wes says:

    I would say not abandoning elective office to become a reality star and not having a reporter assaulted by one’s security detail would be at least a minimum qualification for competence, Chicon.

    Would you agree or disagree ?

    Of course we can also look at AK’s junior Senator, Dan Sullivan.

    He was born across the continent from his current home state and had to overcome resistance from a somewhat xenophobic electorate to defeat a Senator with deep ties to the state.

    He did this by barnstorming the state, making no gaffes, visiting places not only where Republicans need to win big but where Dems are strongest, defining his opponent, and not backing down after a scurrilous smear that could have upended his candidacy had he not fought back strenuously against it (shades of Brett Kavanaugh).

    Sullivan is competent. Palin and Miller are not.

  1139. Wes says:

    If Republicans can get a Dan Sullivan clone to challenge Murkowski, Chicon, I have no problem with her losing.

  1140. Wes says:

    If I lived in TX I’d vote for Cruz too, Phil. At the same time I’d glue a picture of him to a punching bag and take up boxing .

  1141. Chicon says:

    1171 & 1172 – I’m with you on both, Wes. I don’t want a known idiot to run against her (or any incumbent). I’d be happy with a real, live normal conservative. Given a choice of two of them, I’ll take the most conservative that can win the general. Also, I’m fine with Collins in Maine, given the state.

  1142. Chicon says:

    Wes, Lol, Cruz is in the Punch Me Face Hall of Fame, with Steve Spurrier and Chuck Schumer.

  1143. Hugh says:

    1141. DB is right the dems are demoralized and that does not bode well for voting. The nutbags on both sides have a history of sitting home when demoralized. They blame their leaders and want to send a message. As a republican I feel way more energized since we won. Fired up to vote and send money. Had we lost the vote we would do worse not better in the midterms.

  1144. mnw says:

    dbl 1155

    Thanks. I was aware of that, but a lot probably aren’t. Tough nut to crack. Those hospitality unions saved Harry Reid.

    The reason I changed my mind about going after Sasse is, as stated, at least he did the right thing, finally. In addition, there are so many of them that need a primary challenge. Got to horde your hate– only so much of it is available. Right now, Murkowski is #1.

    Sasse still impresses me as having a lot of Jim Jeffords potential.

  1145. jason says:

    In November we have a choice here in Texas – Cruz or Beto. Fairly certain how I am voting.”

    If I was still in Texas I would definitely vote for Cruz.

    And I think he is an arrogant grandstanding jackass.

  1146. jason says:

    Sasse announced his vote on Friday morning, jason.”

    Zzzz…still digging?

    A lot of Rs stated several times they were voting to confirm Kavanaugh. And contrary to your statement above, Sasse was NOT one of the 4 senators McConnell considered undecided.

    On Wednesday night Sasse said this:

    “I’m here to talk tonight about the false choice that is being repeated hour after hour after hour on television,” Sasse said, “that [with] this confirmation vote about one vacant seat on the Supreme Court we are somehow going to be making a giant binary choice about the much broader issue of whether we do or don’t care about women. That is simply not true. That is not what we are doing this weekend.”

  1147. EML says:

    Problem is, someone like Dan Sullivan would never primary the biggest name in Alaskan politics. Only a pompous, self-absorbed gasbag would risk their entire political career doing such a thing.

  1148. mnw says:

    2022 seems like a generation away right now. I’m sure Murkowski is counting on that.

  1149. Mr.Vito says:

    Dear GOP,

    In regard to Bret Kavanaugh,

    “I’m stronger than mule pi$$ on this guy.”

    Signed,

    https://media.giphy.com/media/13L53FdeOWIfbq/giphy.gif

  1150. Redmen4ever says:

    God commands us to be humble and to be honest. For some people, this is a dilemma.

    Donald Trump handles this dilemma in a somewhat unique way. By continually reminding everybody of how smart he is. Amazingly, this works well with a certain strata of people. He’s like the strong man in the circus side show. People will pay a quarter to see him flex his muscles.

    Ted Cruz doesn’t handle this dilemma well. Not that he reminds you that he was #1 at Harvard Law School, national champion in intercollegiate debate, writes law review articles even while a Senator, and argued and won numerous cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. It’s just that it’s just so obvious that he’s brilliant.

  1151. Mr.Vito says:

    The Associated Press
    ?Verified account @AP

    BREAKING: Interpol says Chinese official reported missing has resigned as agency’s president amid Beijing probe.

    ………………….

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…..

  1152. Chicon says:

    NT.

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