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O’Rourke Jumps To 3rd in 2020 Democratic Primary Race for President

We have a new poll from Politico and Morning Consult that shows Joe Biden still leading Bernie Sanders in a 2020 primary race. Jumping to third place in this new poll is the losing candidate in the Texas Us Senate race, Beto O’Rourke.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Morning Consult/Politico)
Joe Biden 26%
Bernie Sanders 19%
Beto O’Rourke 8%
Elizabeth Warren 5%
Kamala Harris 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Michael Bloomberg 2%
Andrew Cuomo 1%
Gavin Newsom 1%
Steve Bullock 1%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Julian Castro 1%
Sherrod Brown 1%
Howard Schultz 1%
Eric Garcetti 1%
Eric Holder 0%
Deval Patrick 0%
John Delaney 0%
Michael Avenatti 0%

This poll was done November 7-9 among 733 registered primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 3:46 pm
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568 Responses to “O’Rourke Jumps To 3rd in 2020 Democratic Primary Race for President”

  1. Wes says:

    Biden will beat Trump. He would have won last time had his son’s untimely death not triggered his hiatus from politics.

  2. Frank says:

    Friends,

    Is there a site that is keeping track of the county results for the Florida recount?

    Thanks

    Frank

  3. ReadyFirst says:

    Dos. I can’t move on to the next election until I finish with this one.

  4. Wes says:

    I see Messy the Moron has made his way to RRH and declared Snipes to be a Republican to derision from the posters there.

  5. Frank says:

    Friends,

    Mia Love is within 1020 votes of McAdams with 97 precincts outstanding.

    Frank

  6. gameboy says:

    #1

    I’ll take that bet. Biden would have beat Trump pretty easily in 2016, but that ship has sailed. Biden missed his opportunity. Watching Biden speak these days he is showing his age….will only get worse for him.

  7. CG says:

    I’ll be somewhat surprised if Biden runs and fairly surprised if he gets nominated.

    I just do not know if today’s Democrat Party is going to turn to a 76 year old heterosexual Christian white male with hair plugs.

    Had Hillary been forced to step aside in 2016, he would have beaten Trump, but having to navigate primary politics is probably too much for him. He’s proven that he has not been able to even make a dent in the past (literally generations) when he has run before.

    Also, while he might not have had any perverted intent, there are way too many photos and videos of Biden with his hands on the bodies of all sorts of women and girls of various ages who were looking unmistakingly uncomfortable.

    If he were a threat to someone in the primary, that would be used against him and I do not know how he could overcome that.

  8. Wes says:

    When people sour on the incumbent, Gb, a competent opponent almost invariably wins. Trump has proved a huge liability in the suburbs while Biden can appeal to Trump’s blue-collar base as well as highly motivated liberals.

    Biden needn’t be a great speaker. He just needs to be Not Trump.

    A President with perennially low approvals who either can’t or won’t adapt to adverse political conditions as Trump seems incapable of doing is not going to beat an opponent with a united front of opposition.

  9. CG says:

    It feels like 50 Democrats will run for President and who can blame them.

    A ton of them though have tremendous national baggage and run the risk of potentially blowing an extremely winnable election for their party.

    Some brief opinions-

    Strongest possible Democrat candidate- North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper (he won’t run)

    strongest possible Democrat of those who have been talked about- Oprah

    strongest possible female Senator who might run- Amy Klobuchar

    Democrat that I would probably support myself- Theo Epstein

  10. Wes says:

    Almost all pols who ran afoul of #MeToo won last Tuesday, Corey. I doubt Dems will give much thought to Biden’s roving hands when Trump is the object of their rage.

  11. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-vets-neomi-rao-d-c-circuit/

    -As Wes and “CG” keep yapping about WORDS getting in the way of 7 year promises not kept by Congress, Trump will work with Congress to get more judges confirmed – an act for which Wes and “CG” gladly punted on in the Presidential race of 2016.

  12. NYCmike says:

    “Trump will work with Congress”

    -Should be “the Senate” – And for which the Senate should be praised.

  13. CG says:

    I just don’t see Biden breaking through the Identity Politics minefield that completely dominates the Democrat Party.

    Obama would literally have to be at his side at every single campaign event. I doubt Obama would even go out of his way to endorse Biden in the primary.

    Elizabeth Warren is still the most likely nominee in my mind. Kamala Harris *could* have potential if she can demonstrate it on the national stage.

    And as I said yesterday, Beto will have no better time than this one.

    Accomplishments or past success be damed. Celebrity trumps all (in both parties.)

  14. Wes says:

    Dems had two heterosexual white nominal Christians on their national ticket two years ago and lost only because Comey reopened an investigation into their standard bearer a week before the election.

  15. CG says:

    These judges better find a way to live to be 300 years old, because if the long-term effect of Trump is the destruction of the Republican Party, then one day there will be no more of “our” judges left to crow over.

  16. CG says:

    One was a woman though and one spoke Spanish (though somehow decided not to in the debate)

  17. Wes says:

    2020 is all about Trump and his mouth. That is not a good set of circumstances for him.

  18. CG says:

    It certainly will be a referendum on the incumbent minus something completely wacky. In that regard, any financial advantage he might have is irrelevant. People’s opinions of him are already solidified.

    Most likely though, the Democrats and their allies will outspend him regardless.

  19. Wes says:

    Mikey has never worked in sales obviously nor learned the power of words to persuade or dissuade.

  20. lisab says:

    Biden will beat Trump. He would have won last time had his son’s untimely death not triggered his hiatus from politics.
    —————————–

    i agree … i would not say trump has no chance at all against biden,

    but biden, imo, would be a HUGE favourite.

    despite his age, i think biden is the dems best shot.

    he can hit back at trump AND he plays the “working man” card a lot and always has.

  21. lisab says:

    I’ll take that bet. Biden would have beat Trump pretty easily in 2016, but that ship has sailed. Biden missed his opportunity. Watching Biden speak these days he is showing his age
    ———————-

    i have not seen him recently, but the biden that faced ryan, destroyed ryan

  22. CG says:

    I note that we have at least reached the acceptance phase at HHR, where somebody can express a thought that DJT might have a political weakness or that a Democrat might possibly defeat a Republican in an election and no longer be called a “troll.”

    A notable shift from 10 days ago indeed.

  23. lisab says:

    I’ll be somewhat surprised if Biden runs and fairly surprised if he gets nominated.
    ———————————-

    i actually agree he would have a difficult nomination. imo biden’s biggest challenge would be from his party, not trump

  24. lisab says:

    Trump will work with Congress to get more judges confirmed
    ——————–

    the judges are not trump’s problem

    he is boorish

    now i personally would not vote for hillary or warren,

    but someone who is nice and polite and not otherwise a lunatic could do very well against trump

  25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    5. “Mia Love is within 1020 votes of McAdams with 97 precincts outstanding.”

    She is getting closer, but the next batch of votes is from Salt Lake County, Which mostly votes Democratic. It still is a tight race, but the Democrat is slightly favored.

  26. Wes says:

    I just hope Warren campaigns for Dem Senate candidates again in 2020. That worked out incredibly well for the GOP in 2014 and 2016.

  27. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren is still the most likely nominee in my mind. Kamala Harris *could* have potential if she can demonstrate it on the national stage.
    ———————————

    harris was the predicted nominee last i checked

    warren is way down after the den misstep.

    actually i think he would beat warren easily.

    not sure about harris, but i think the dem nominee will be someone else.

  28. CG says:

    Somebody nice and polite is unlikely to be nominated by the Democrats. They want their own Trump. Someone to go just as “low.”

    Cory Booker talking about how in order to “lead the people, you need to love the people” is never going to fly in the primary. They want someone who will hate the Republicans.

    Let Kasich save that ” politics of love” stuff for the third party Independent run.

  29. lisab says:

    **den misstep.**

    DNA misstep

  30. CG says:

    Warren had to take that political hit on the DNA thing as early as possible to get it out of the way.

    She needs to hope people forget or that Trump just keeps attacking her.

  31. lisab says:

    Somebody nice and polite is unlikely to be nominated by the Democrats.
    —————————-

    biden or beto that is the question …

    whether to unleash the slings and arrows of a biden

    or to take the high road with beto

  32. lisab says:

    Warren had to take that political hit on the DNA thing as early as possible to get it out of the way.
    ———————-

    she did not succeed

    there are people in massachusetts trying to get her DNA so they can send it to Ancestry.com

    her dna makes her doa

  33. ReadyFirst says:

    “This is what we should expect from machine recounts—little change from Saturday totals. According to Judge Layne Smith re: the Leon County machine recount—Scott picked up a net 3 votes; DeSantis picked up a net of 1 vote, and Caldwell picked up a net of 1 vote.”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1062460146436227079

  34. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18, The key in 2020 will be how bad the Democratic clown show is, and if the leftist agenda they advocate alienates the voters. Having the Democrats run the House may actually benefit Trump’s re-election. The Republicans still have the Senate, and can block bad legislation.

    The fact that the two leading candidates in the poll are approaching 80 years of age does not bode well.

  35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    33. “Warren had to take that political hit on the DNA thing as early as possible to get it out of the way.”

    That’s like saying the Japanese had to take the atomic bomb drop on Hiroshima and get it out of the way.

  36. CG says:

    Assuming Trump has not departed the political stage by the fall of 2020, a matchup featuring his overwhelming abrasiveness and chaos-fatigue matched up against a leftist Democrat clown show leaves a huge opening for……

    We all know it’s possible.

    If Ross Perot got 19% back when most people in the major parties were satisfied in them, and as nuts as he was personally… there could potentially be a huge opening for another option.

  37. CG says:

    I don’t think the Native American stuff is any more fatal for her among the left than the Birther stuff (plus a million other things) were for Trump supporters and those who were engulfed by them.

    As long as Trump attacks her, especially on that matter, they will defend her on it. She’s still a “rock star” on the Left.

  38. lisab says:

    The fact that the two leading candidates in the poll are approaching 80 years of age does not bode well
    ————————-

    that is a fair argument against biden

    but someone biden-ish would be one way to go.

    biden is/was able to get in the mud like trump

    AND more importantly

    has a working-class persona

    i don’t know how well harris would play in the midwest outside of chicago

  39. Wes says:

    Trump is still Trump regardless of what the Dems do, SDC. If voters tune him out, what the House does will be irrelevant. Dems overreached in 2007 and 2008 with Armenian genocide, card check, and cutting funds to troops in Iraq.

    That mattered not one iota in 2008 because Bush was a grossly unpopular President.

    Also, at 74 in 2020, Trump will hardly be able to make an issue out of Biden’s or Sanders’ age.

    We’ve already regressed from a President born under Kennedy to a President born under Truman. Going a little further back to one born under FDR won’t be that much of a stretch.

  40. lisab says:

    i think the gop would rather have warren as the nominee than most other major names

  41. CG says:

    It’s not like the GOP nominee is not too far from 80 himself (and considered to be in far worse shape.)

    But yes, Sanders, Biden, Hillary, Warren, and Bloomberg are all pretty old for the party that used the age argument against Reagan, Dole, and McCain (and probably Eisenhower too)

    If we as a country are going to pick someone over 70, then I want Mitt Romney back in obviously.

  42. Phil says:

    I would love for Warren to be the Democratic nominee, but she has absolutely no shot at all.

    None.

  43. ReadyFirst says:

    “BREAKING: Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson files a new lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Tallahassee, challenging Nov. 18 state deadline for completing manual recounts. The crux of the complaint is here“
    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1062463215161016320

  44. Wes says:

    Even I think Warren or Harris might be a bridge too far for the Dems. Neither plays well outside yuppie leftist enclaves, and masking their moonbattish tendencies will be impossible.

    Both can beat Trump, though I think he would have his best shot against either while congressional Republicans can resurge under them by tying marginal Dems to them as enablers of liberal extremism.

  45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Your assuming Trump re-election is doomed because of an adverse first midterm election; I don’t think you can assume that any more than assuming Reagan, Clinton, and Obama were doomed after losing their first midterm elections. A Democratic clown show, or Trump moderating his tone, would have a substantial impact. At this point, any predictions about 2020 are just speculation. Trump was all but written off in 2016, and he still won.

  46. lisab says:

    warren would be a gift

    as long as trump did not call her the c-word or something …

    well he might not

  47. CG says:

    1. He is incapable of changing his tone
    2. People thought the economy was bad in ’82 and ’94 and then two years later, they were happy. People like the economy now and we still had the midterm we had.
    3. Obama was an historic figure in which a lot of people held an almost mythic affection for. Even if they disliked his policies, they felt they could not bring themselves to vote against him personally.

    With Trump it’s the opposite. People think they like some or a lot of his policies, but can’t stand him personally.

  48. lisab says:

    Trump moderating his tone, would have a substantial impact.
    ——————–

    pretty sure the assumption is that he cannot or will not do that

  49. NYCmike says:

    “1. He is incapable of changing his tone”

    -Please make note of this comment.

    I will say that he is capable of doing it.

    Let’s talk in 2020.

  50. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    42. “then I want Mitt Romney back in obviously.”

    Romney will have a high profile in the Senate, and just won his seat by about 63% to 29%. We will see — were heading into the dark now. No one knows what will happen.

    If a new Republican emerges in 2020, they need to thank Trump for reversing the direction of economy, and getting rid of needless regulations. Someone had to lead the charge, and he had to be tough and abrasive.

  51. Joe J says:

    I think some here are underestimating Trump a little bit. He would be bringing the same persona as he did in 2016 except in 2020 he can point to a fairly large number of accomplishments, given the economy stays strong plus he’s gotten stronger at the political game in general. Sure, he most likely wont have HRC to pick on but the 2020 Dem primary fight is going to leave the winner pretty badly damaged if one clear cut favorite doesn’t emerge from the pack early on.
    I believe he has to be at least a 60/40, maybe 65/35 favorite to be reelected as things stand right now.

  52. Marv says:

    #31 ReadyFirst,

    Thanks for the link. The delay irritated me at first, but upon reading of the article, I see no threat to Scott or DeSantis. The suit was originated by a Democrat who trails the Republican in a race for a seat in the FL State House of Representatives by 37 votes. I think the GOP hangs on in that one too. Scattered reports from around the state indicate that nothing much has changed in the three statewide races. In fact, both Scott and Nelson appear to have actually netted a few votes here and there.

  53. CG says:

    If circumstances arise for a new Republican to emerge in 2020 (minus a sad event or other unfortunate incapacitation), they will probably have to knock Trump publicly as often as possible and stress to voters that his reign is over.

    Any Republican would have cut taxes and regulations and got you your judges. (And gotten a lot more done as well in other areas.) I refuse to buy into the ridiculous talking point that “OnlyTrump” could have beaten Hillary in 2016 or jason’s latest ridiculousness that Hillary Clinton in 2016 was a stronger, more formidable candidate than Obama had been.

  54. Wes says:

    Actually, SDC, I’ve said repeatedly Trump will lose in 2020 because he’s still the same abrasive, smarmy egomaniac who contributed strongly to Tuesday’s results. He should have learned from the elections. He’s given no indication he has or can.

    Since Donald Trump is still acting like Donald Trump I’m perfectly comfortable in saying the same dynamics as were in play last Tuesday will be in play in two years.

    If Trump surprises me and changes his public demeanor I will reevaluate. I can’t base predictions off hoped-for occurrences though. I have to evaluate based on tangible evidence.

    For that reason I have to say Trump loses.

    He has plenty of time to prove me wrong, but I see no evidence he will do so.

  55. lisab says:

    so noted …

    but in this case, i would not want to bet

    i know trump is smart enough to shut up when it is warranted.

    i am not sure he wants to though. for example,

    why fight with macron or any european leader apart from putin? sure it is fun … but there is no percentage in it

  56. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “pretty sure the assumption is that he cannot or will not do that.”

    That is an assumption, and it may be proved false. People were shocked how Bill Clinton completely changed his tone and policies after his loss in the Midterms, after he brought in Dick Morris.

    Trump still has a Republican Senate and the Democratic majority in Congress will be less than 20. A lot of Democrats will be from districts that may not appreciate their representatives voting in a leftist manner.

  57. Wes says:

    Joe, Trump will have the same accomplishments in 2020 he had in 2018. That mattered not because he gave Americans every reason to overlook all the good he had accomplished.

  58. NYCmike says:

    Joe J,

    “CG” is hoping for him to lose (but he doesn’t want the Democrat to win, of course), and Wes has already said he probably won’t vote for him because of…….WORDS.

    So, allow that information to sink in.

  59. CG says:

    Bill Clinton has been a politician his whole life.

    Trump is incapable of changing. It’s in his psyche. He has to attack anyone who does not “show him love.” He is the world’s Neediest Human.

    Yes, he can change his tone for a speech off a teleprompter. He’s done it a few times in his Presidency, but as soon as he is left to his own devices, he counters everything he said before.

    His father did a number on him as a young person and the results are what they are. His brother fared far worse. (and the same might be said about Hillary’s father.)

  60. Wes says:

    1994 was the first election I paid serious attention to, SDC. Clinton began his course correction on 11-9-94.

    On 11-7-18, Trump did the exact same things as on 11-5-18.

    There’s a notable difference between the reactions of the two Presidents to the results.

  61. lisab says:

    I think some here are underestimating Trump a little bit. He would be bringing the same persona as he did in 2016 except in 2020 he can point to a fairly large number of accomplishments,
    ————————————–

    joe j,

    you are correct, it is just that ny city insults don’t play well down south or out west. people are pretty polite.

    i would say he would DESTROY warren

    UNLESS

    he says something really bad about her … which i can imagine

  62. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is incapable of changing. It’s in his psyche. He has to attack anyone who does not “show him love.” He is the world’s Neediest Human.”

    -This, again, ignores his whole history developing real estate in NYC, Atlantic City, and elsewhere.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “His father did a number on him as a young person and the results are what they are. His brother fared far worse. (and the same might be said about Hillary’s father.)”

    -LOL.

  64. Wes says:

    Mikey doesn’t understand the power of words to influence outcomes. Odd for a guy posting on a blog.

  65. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Trump will work with the Dems in the House and Senate to get what he wants done even if it is leftist.

    Trump could lose in 2020. Whomever gets the Dem nomination is going to remember that PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan exist.

  66. CG says:

    And whatever devotees of this political polling discussion site are hoping for, there are far a greater number of people who support Donald Trump who do not want him to change ONE BIT.

    They want him to amp it up and will continue to tell him so.

    The more threatened or under siege he feels, the more he will lash out.

    Every day since last Tuesday has shown this.

  67. CG says:

    Trump went bankrupt developing real estate in NYC and Atlantic City, several times. Essentially, he failed at it.

    He got very rich and famous by being an abrasive, combative, persona on television and branding the image. Essentially, he is a professional wrestling character. That is what he is good at. That’s all he really knows. He isn’t going to change now.

  68. lisab says:

    nyc,

    i get what you say …

    AND

    if i was his advisor, i would remind him he does not have to swing at every pitch … he can let some of them go.

  69. marc says:

    Florida recount update

    Pinellas County (St Pete area)recount complete. Even though the majority of the voters in the county voted for Democrats, the very slight changes in the vote totals favored Republicans: Net gains of +3 for Scott, +19 for DeSantis, +30 for Caldwell.

    439,470 total ballots cast.

  70. lisab says:

    donald: that damn macron! i’ll show him!

    lisab: mr president … he’s french! who cares!? instead say, “the united states stands behind our european allies 100%, especially on the anniversary of the end of the great war”

    donald: but he insulted me

    lisab: again … he’s french! that is what they do! drink wine, have affairs, wear women’s underwear and insult people … and NO don’t tweet that.

  71. CG says:

    Trump was elected to represent the people of Pittsburgh, not Paris.

  72. Will says:

    Where do you get these FL updates??

  73. lisab says:

    Trump was elected to represent the people of Pittsburgh, not Paris.
    —————————-

    and thus he had no need to even mention macron

    there was no upside

  74. marc says:

    All I can say on 2020 is the the Democrats Presidential clown car is gonna be be spectacular, get your popcorn out folks.

    Oh and Phil,
    Broward finally started there recount today.

  75. CG says:

    To Trump’s fans, there’s an upside. “He fights!” How dare Frenchy insult him? Doesn’t he know we saved their ass in WWII (And we kind of owed them for the American Revolution thing actually.)

    I doubt a majority of Trump defenders here (including those who have now slinked away) would criticize him going after Macron.

  76. marc says:

    Mostly from IMessages with friends connected with the party both elected and unelected around the state.

  77. Phil says:

    Keep them coming, marc. Appreciate your updates from the ground.

  78. Marv says:

    marc,

    Good job, keep the info coming. Thanks

  79. lisab says:

    “He fights!” How dare Frenchy insult him?
    ————————–

    when you are muhammed ali (apollo creed), you don’t fight chuck wepner (rocky balboa)

    it just makes you look bad.

  80. Big Joe says:

    “I just do not know if today’s Democrat Party is going to turn to a 76 year old heterosexual Christian white male with hair plugs.”

    #7 CG-

    Well with so many expected to run, Uncle Joe could sneak by with 30%-35% support. Similar to how Pres. Trump won the nomination.

    I’ll have to look up how the Democrats allocate delegates. I think it’s mostly proportional which does make it a big tougher for Uncle Joe as other candidates can hang around for much longer.

    We need to see some Iowa and NH polls.

    Big Joe

  81. CG says:

    Yes, Apollo Creed was modeled after Muhammad Ali.

    -jason went on a tirade about that a few months ago because Sly Stallone suddenly and nonsensically, all these decades later, said that he based him on Jack Johnson, when he was trying to suck up to Trump in the Oval Office.

  82. lisab says:

    I’ll have to look up how the Democrats allocate delegates.
    ————————

    the people vote, and then the super-delegates decide who wins

  83. Will says:

    Marc,

    Thanks.

  84. Messy says:

    4.She was appointed by Jeb!, and has had Republican support until last week. I never said she was competent.

  85. CG says:

    To continue the analogy, if Trump were Ali/Creed, he’d still be in an ongoing Twitter war with Spider Rico.

  86. CG says:

    Also, Trump, like Creed, will have his career ended by Russia.

  87. CG says:

    The Governor of Florida was probably mandated by state law to appoint a replacement from the same political party of the person he removed from the office.

    Sen John Barraso (R-WY) was first appointed by a Democrat Governor per state law.

    In any event, Snipes has been reelected ever since as a Democrat.

    Jeb Bush has called on her to be removed from her post due to incompetence.

  88. ReadyFirst says:

    53 YW Marv.

    “Recounts wrapping up in small and mid-sized counties are showing few changes to initial results in the races for governor, U.S. Senate and agriculture commissioner.”
    http://www.flanewsonline.com/early-recount-totals-show-little-change/?amp

  89. Big Joe says:

    #83 Lisa-

    Super-delegates were stripped of most of their power, weren’t they?

    Have the super-delegates ever overridden the people? Not recently. The super-delegates can influence by declaring their support early. Pres. Obama overcame this in 2008, Bernie could not overcome in 2016.

    Big Joe

  90. CG says:

    #87 Tony “Duke” Evers, not to be confused with the Governor-Elect of Wisconsin, will not be pleading for someone to “throw the damn towel.”

  91. Messy says:

    57. Explain how a thirty seven seat majority is less than twenty, please.

  92. Wes says:

    She’s a registered Dem, Messy the Moron. That JEB! appointed her no more makes her a Republican than that GWB appointed Norm Mineta to his cabinet makes Mineta a Republican.

  93. ReadyFirst says:

    Update to #31. I was wondering how she thought she’d get away with this in the Senate race.
    “Legal update: Judge Karen Gievers, the judge who called Amendment 13 “trickeration,” did suspend recount deadlines today for 3 races- but only for Palm Beach, and not in the high-stakes Senate contest. Sec. of State Ken Detzner is trying to move the lawsuit to federal court”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fineout/status/1062482844440780800

  94. Tina says:

    I like the

    Beta Male-porn Lawyah Ticket.

  95. Tina says:

    Her Dna is her Dna.

    And she ain’t Cherokee or Native American.

    Used her minority status (a hoax) to get ahead.

  96. lisab says:

    Super-delegates were stripped of most of their power, weren’t they?

    ——————-

    their powers were changed. they only can vote for a candidate the rhymes with plinton

  97. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The clown circus begins. Ocasio-Cortez joined a demonstration outside Nancy Pelosi’s office by several radical environment groups. One of their demands to that a “Green New Deal” be enacted to achieve 100% renewable energy in about a decade — the cost 1 trillion dollars. Pelosi issued a statement attempting to be conciliatory to the demonstrators.

    But hey, we all know the public hates Trump so much that spending a few trillion dollars will not matter.

  98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When those anti-Trump suburbanites find the price of gasoline has been raised to $10.00 a gallon, and their paying 25% higher taxes taxes to fund all sorts of new social programs, that will provide benefits to anyone who steps over the border, they will say: “Its worth it, since we hate Trump.”

  99. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since were rejected Trump, its time to be like California, the stellar light of progressive values and income equality:

    “Whereas many states might have envied California for its tech growth, they may be less impressed by its absurdly high cost of living, high energy prices and nation-leading poverty rate. A state where one in four people is poor, and as many as one in three households, according to United Way, live on poverty’s doorstep.”

    Oh well, but since people hate Trump, success does not matter, its spending that matters. So we can admire the fact that since 2011 California government spending has increased by 53%, while its population grew by only 5%.

  100. Wes says:

    SDC, when Mark Warner became VA Governor in 2002, he raised taxes exorbitantly and not only became incredibly popular but saw VA lurch left. Dems have raised taxes sky high in NJ and CA but absolutely dominate those states.

    Suburbanites blamed Obamacare-caused skyrocketing healthcare premium increases on Republicans—the party that universally opposed Obamacare—last week.

    I’m sorry, but expecting rational thought out of this electorate is something I can’t do.

    Voters hate Trump. Like as not, that alone matters going into 2020. For Trump to overcome that, he has to change public perception of him. Otherwise no evidence suggests anything you cited will be a detriment to the Dems until the 2022 midterms.

  101. gameboy says:

    I love this website!!! The same folks saying Trump has no shot in 2020 are the same folks who were saying Trump had no shot in 2016 up until 9PM on election night LOL Should be an interesting two years. I will put my money on Trump over any of the bozos on that list.

  102. Wes says:

    Hell, in my home state of NC—generally a GOP state since the ‘80s—former Dem Governor Mike Easley remained popular despite tax increases until scandal regarding an appointment of his wife to the university system late in his term.

    Because GWB still President and even more unpopular than Easley at the time in 2008, that had no impact on the elections here, in which Dems held the governorship and General Assembly, gained a Senate seat, picked up a House seat, and made Obama the first Dem presidential candidate since 1976 to carry the state.

  103. Wes says:

    Incorrect, Gb, insofar as I’m concerned at least. I said Trump would keep it close (and accurately predicted his carrying NC within a half point of the outcome even as others declared Hillary would take this state) and said he had an outside shot at winning though I said Hillary was most likely to prevail by a 279-259 margin.

    Keep thinking Trump can keep acting like Trump for the next few years and win re-election though without Hillary as a fool. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you about how doing the things that made him unpopular and galvanized people against him when he loses by continuing to do those same things.

    As 2008 proved, White Flag Wes knows nothing about politics.

    Oh, wait.

  104. dblaikie says:

    I hope that the Dems nominate Biden. If the economy stays strong and if the Dems do their typical over reach and if Uncle Joe just stays his dense self Trump will tear him apart.

  105. dblaikie says:

    Trump’s approval even after the midterms in most polls (I don’t count Gallup with a pool of just adults) is in the 45 to 46 range. According to RCP Obama’s approval was at 48 or roughly the same.

  106. marc says:

    My county St Johns County recount complete. Opposite of Pinellas in terms of overall lean and vote shifts; +8 for Nelson, +4 for Gillum, +6 for Fried in the heavily Republican county.

    131,650 total ballots cast.

    I’ve also been told Miami-Dade has just finished its machine recount. I am trying to get the vote changes…

  107. Brandon says:

    Mimi Walters is now losing, too.

  108. Tina says:

    SNIPES: “This is the first time that this office or I have been under such attacks.”

    REPORTER: “Have there been mistakes?

    SNIPES: “There have been issues that did not go the way we wanted. So we can call it a mistake, we can call it whatever we want to call it…” pic.twitter.com/RM0sXhvSph

    — Kyle Morris (@RealKyleMorris) November 12, 2018

  109. Phil says:

    How about we just call it election theft.

  110. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    103. “Voters hate Trump. Like as not, that alone matters going into 2020.”

    Wes, its a lot more complex than that. I don’t know what will happen in 2020. But its going to be a wild ride. Also, presidents whose parties have lost midterm elections have often been re-elected.

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    I will have snow on Thursday! Seasons, bitches. Seasons!

  112. Wes says:

    Unfortunately, SDC, it’s not more complex than that. If Trump is where he is now in two years, that’s it for him. Unpopular Presidents the country has given up on just don’t win reelection. I’d like to sugarcoat it for you, but quite honestly I can’t.

    I’m just calling it as I see it. Trump is Trump. He’s not changing despite last week’s results. That’s not a good thing.

  113. jackj says:

    110-According to the California Secretary of State’s website, Walters still leads by 1,011 votes at the end of today.

  114. jackj says:

    Now I see Politico has Walters behind by 261.

  115. Tina says:

    Palm beach needs to start its recount from scratch.

    Their machines broke.

  116. Bitterlaw says:

    I fight with Wes often. However, he k own election results. I can’t think of a mid-term election where the economy was this strong and the voters still flipped the House against the President. I could do the research but Wes can answer more quickly.

    Trump could help himself but he won’t. He’s like a man struggling in the water who say’s “throw me an anchor. I need a challenge.”

  117. John says:

    Joe Biden running for president in 2020? I guess we’ll all know soon enough…
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/17/joe-biden-president-january-decision/793771002/
    A Frank Luntz New Hampshire group of independents favored Joe Biden…fyi – half the group of independents also favored Trump again.
    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1062150011092267008
    But Joe Biden always had trouble raising money for presidential runs and has not had large rallies for him.

  118. sandiegocitizen says:

    119. Everyone thought Trump would go down in fames in 2016. He had the same faults as he has now. He won. I don’t think anyone can say with any certainty he will lose in 2020, nor can they say who will be the Democrat running against him.

  119. Bitterlaw says:

    In 2016, Trum ran against the only person in the entire coin ray who was as hated as he was. He got lucky. Dems won’t be that stupid in 2020.

  120. Will says:

    I think Trump was the only “Republican” that the Democrats knew Hillary could beat. That was why the media encouraged the circus of the Rep debates and primaries. They got what they wanted…..thinking he would never be elected..

  121. Wes says:

    Dynamics were different in 2016. Trump wasn’t the incumbent, and Hillary never took him seriously nor excited the base. Those thinking Trump will be re-elected are assuming a retread of 2016. Things have changed to Trump’s detriment. That’s not insignificant for analyzing the upcoming presidential election.

  122. gameboy says:

    Way too early for you anti-Trumpers out there to declare victory for 2020. Lots of stuff will happen in the country, and world over the next two years that will impact things.

  123. Wes says:

    125 is a clear example of the mentality of Trump’s less perspicacious supporters. Acknowledging reality is now being an anti-Trumper and declaring victory.

    Self-serving truisms now serve as political analysis in that group. That’s not reflective of any genuine argument for why Trump will or even can win re-election.

  124. Todd McCain says:

    Trump is puerile, but it is way too early to say whether he is going to win or lose re-election…depends on if the condition of the economy is similar to now and the DEM candidate. If the economy is still gangbusters and the DEM candidate is Elizabeth Warren, I can easily see Trump winning again. If Kamala Harris is the nominee, Trump will have a problem.

  125. DW says:

    126 – back in 2016 I recall having the impression that Trump’s unexpected victory would result in his most loyal supporters to draw the wrong conclusion that because he won when most expected his defeat means that going forward he cannot be defeated.

    I can see a path for Trump to win FL and OH again, but PA, MI and especially WI will be much harder. I know he doesn’t technically need all three of those. But even IA won’t be easy for him to win. In just the electoral math, Trump’s re-election is very much in doubt. CO and NV are a pipe dream and there just aren’t any other states to win. I suppose Democrats could nominate Hillary again to give Trump a chance, but they won’t be that stupid this time.

  126. Tom says:

    Another reason Trump won in 2016 was that Democrats were so confident a lot didn’t show up to vote. The mid-terms demonstrated that they won’t make that same mistake twice. Here in Howard Co., MD, the Republican county executive, Allan Kittleman, got more votes than he did in 2014 and still lost. Kittleman lost to an uber-liberal who tried to pass legislation to declare the county a sanctuary county when he was on the county council. Kittleman vetoed it and one Democrat on the council sided with the only Republican to sustain the veto. No doubt this will be his first order of business when he takes over.

    It may already be too late, but if Trump doesn’t change his tone, you can kiss the Presidency and Senate goodbye, not to mention a s-load of state races. And Trump’s successor will make Obama look like a moderate.

  127. Wes says:

    Todd McCain makes the most cogent case for Trump in 2020 I’ve seen.

  128. Albert Hodges says:

    126

    Your analysis of the 2020 election isnt what is causing some here to call you an anti-Trumper.

    Rather, it is the repeated, constant, relentless posting of gloom and doom regarding President Trump, the Forrest Gump repetition of the exact same criticism since election day, and the failure to self-censor your posts that accomplish that for you.

    It is obvious that you are finding some emotional release in trying to discourage and dishearten others which, given that the President is the object of your negativity, would seem to be be the reaction of the NeverTrumpers, Clintonistas and other assorted crazies rather than someone in a morally superior position to lecture the rest of us.

  129. Wes says:

    I wish I could post a laugh emoticon to give my thoughts on your vapid analysis of what I’m saying, Al. I saw the same thing from posters in 2007 and 2008 when I was one of the few not pulling out Pom poms in a doomed election.

  130. Messy says:

    I have never seen the First Lady’s office officially demand the resignation of a top official like that.

    McCarthy’s going to get the minority leader post. The reason he’s not Speaker today is that he’s such a lousy talker.

  131. dblaikie says:

    Trump will be a formidable opponent in 2020. Any incumbent would be if they have the favorable winds of a good economy. He has a huge base of made up of pro life voters and evangelicals. These people may not storm the halls of Congress but they vote en mass. And after his court picks they will do that for Trump.

    Frankly I think 2020 will come down to performance. If Trump governs with the stuff he can do (Foreign Poly, Executive Orders for further deregulation, Judicial Appoints, Trade Negotiations) he will be tough to beat — especially a California or Mass. loon!

    In addition, Trump’s 2020 reelection will also be affected by how he handles the deluge of investigations coming his way. If he can brand the House as “a do nothing” entity who only investigate and do nothing else he will be even harder to beat.

    Finally I think some realism is due about the midterms. Scott is going to win the Florida Senate race. And Montana, Arizona, and W. Virginia were very close. A gain of two seats is nothing to belittle. In addition one can’t help but wonder what would have happened if over 40 Representatives hadn’t retired? And the redistricting of Pa. flipped some seats. However the election did reveal a GOP problem in the suburbs. In all honesty that problem is Trumps burden. Maybe Trump will never be popular there, but if he continues to perform they will vote for him in greater numbers.

  132. Albert Hodges says:

    President Trump has done an unbelievably great job in many areas..judges, immigration, prolife/profamily policy. He isnt just supported but is LOVED by a sizable part of the American electorate but by a STRONG majority of the GOP voters in this country. The GOP is now the party of Trump…just like in the 80’s, the GOP became the party of Reagan.

    Today’s neverTrumpers are no different than the RIPON/establishment wing of the GOP under Reagan…doomed to failure.

    However, President Trump is at a disadvantage in 2020…but that can all change depending on who the DEM nominee for President is. A Biden or a Warren even, could be a strong candidate and hard to beat given the demographic make-up of the states we need to win an electoral college majority.

    There are some key advantages for President Trump as well…..his approach to trade…while offputting for libertarian/Chamber of Commerce type GOPers is EXACTLY why he won the upper Mid-western states and why he enjoys higher approval ratings among blacks and hispanics than ANY GOP President since Nixon. But it is a two-edge sword.

    He does need to win back the suburban voters. He will need to work on his communication style to do this simply because those suburban voters who are open to supporting a GOP candidate for President already agree with him on policy…rather, they are just embarrassed to say they are for Trump among their friends and colleagues usually over some tweet or comment he has made.

    Anyway, anyone who tries to predict 2020 based on the 2018 mid-terms is simply promoting a narrative, dealing with their own emotional issues or just bored. At no time during our lifetimes have the first mid-term elections been predictive of the outcome of the following re-election campaign prospects for incumbent presidents. It is just mental masturbation for some folks.

  133. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    It appears that the counting in Georgia is just about over(of course, a Court can extend this travesty indefinitely).
    All but a handful of Counties in the State have certified their results including the Big Blue ones in and around Atlanta. What’s left is bubkas.

    The gracious Dem. candidate is 17,500 votes away from having a run-off with Republican Kemp. The ballots to reach that marker DO NOT exist(at least for now).
    Also, the GOP has probably saved GA CD-7, Woodall’s seat, by about 525 votes. Handel(R) lost the adjourning Congressional District 6 by about 2,500 votes.

  134. Phil says:

    Are we ever going to get any numbers out of Miami-Dade? They supposedly finished the machine count last night.

  135. Wes says:

    Al, I can see you’ve read little of what I’ve posted except what you can denigrate as anti-Trump. I’ve repeatedly said I’m basing my analysis of 2020 not on this year’s elections but on Trump’s reaction to them.

    Trump is still Trump. He’s still doing what he did to trigger the results we saw. If he showed any evidence of changing I’d say something completely different.

    Until and unless that happens I’m afraid you’ll just have to deal with White Flag Wes again.

    As a girl I know says I’m not selling dreams.

  136. marc says:

    Miami-Dade havent released that info yet Phil, they are reviewing provisional ballots now

  137. Albert Hodges says:

    139

    I am not calling you or labelling you as anti-Trump. I simply explained why others here are.

    It is based on the repetitive, negative tenor of your posts….not the analysis behind your thinking.

    It is like since the election, you decided to become a more accepted version of other trolls here. Just saying.

    However, I do NOT disagree with your thoughts regarding Trump needing to change his style and approach to communicating. He is at a great disadvantage because the globalists, corporatists, progressives, DEMS and MSM hate him with a passion and operate solely with one agenda…to stop him and his presidency.

    However, he is the only one that can contol his tweeting/comments. He has to decide to make that adjustment. There is plenty of time to do so, if he continues being successful in so many areas.

    It is 100% within his own power.

    In my opinion.

  138. Marv says:

    marc,

    Thanks for the updates. Do you have any information as to what the total net changes are from the other counties which have reported?

  139. Cash Cow TM says:

    This poll list is bogus.
    Does NOT include already announced D candidate
    Richard Ojeda.

    He is just as goofy as most of the others.
    Some would argue more so.

  140. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    139. “As a girl I know says I’m not selling
    dreams.”

    Your not selling crystal balls either. Just going back to this board’s predictions prior to the 2016 election show how difficult it is to predict an outcome. Two years from now is a long-time, and the dynamics of the political process over that two years is unpredictable. We are in for a wild ride.

  141. jason says:

    The MSM is hilarious. Attempts to block voters of color from the polls.

    “The Georgia gubernatorial election was called for Republican Brian Kemp, and Kemp has begun to transition into the office. But Kemp, who oversaw the election as secretary of state, is accused of rampant voter suppression and has lost several court cases over his attempts to block voters of color from the polls.”

  142. jason says:

    Only Trump could have beaten Hillary.

    But of course Corey knows that, he is just pretending he thinks another R in the 2016 field could have beaten her.

    Hillary would have probably eked out a small win against Rubio, she would have won in a landslide against anyone else.

    And of course of the major R contenders, Jeb would have done the worse against her.

  143. Marv says:

    #144 SDC,

    You are correct about the wild ride. I expect the President Trump will be re-elected with Pence as his running mate. I’m not quite sure where or when Nicki Haley will re-emerge.

  144. Wes says:

    Fair enough, SDC. When you can give me a tangible reason to say Trump will win in 2020 besides all the retread arguments from 2008, I’ll change my analysis. None of that has happened yet.

    Prove me wrong. That truism you just posted didn’t do the job.

  145. jason says:

    The two biggest Trump haters here, the Jebbots, claimed to have voted for the R ticket.

    So did former Never Trumpers like me, SoHope, SDC, and others.

    So did wes who didn’t vote for Trump.

    So not one person here voted for Democrats because of Trump.

    The truth is most of the losses can be attributed to the historical fact that the party in power loses seats. If you want to blame Trump for the extra seats that were lost, fine. But give him credit also for winning some senate seats.

    I disagree with wes that Trump’s demeanor and statements will doom him in 2020, since they didn’t doom him in 2016.

    The election will be decided on other factors, not Trump’s tweets.

    You read it here first.

  146. jason says:

    SNIPES: “There have been issues that did not go the way we wanted. So we can call it a mistake, we can call it whatever we want to call it…”

    Ok thanks

    I call it fraud then.

  147. NYCmike says:

    The issue that stinks is supposed Republicans already throwing in the towel for 2020 in 2018.

    Especially since Republicans did turn out, but as shown by the numbers, it was independents and the healthcare issue which was the big driver behind the defeats.

    Let’s get some well-spoken representatives out there pushing good policy.

    3…2….1…..for snowflakes to say “BUT TWEETS”

  148. jason says:

    BTW, I am not saying I think Trump will definitely win in 2020.

    I am saying I think he is the only VIABLE candidate for 2020, and if Rs and conservatives don’t unite behind him the Dems will win easily.

    And I don’t disagree with wes that a lot of Trump’s tweets and statements are destructive. I have made the same point many times myself. I think his attacks on the R leadership and other Rs come back to bite him in a big way.

    But at the same time, I think people will look at results more than style. I think a lot of the perceptions about him are already baked in.

  149. lisab says:

    Transgender Woman Files Human Rights Complaints Against 16 Women For Refusing To Wax His Male Genitalia

    The male-to-female transgender individual claims he was discriminated against.

    Sixteen Canadian women have had human rights complaints filed against them by a male-to-female transgender individual for alleged “gender identity” discrimination after they refused to wax his male genitalia.

    “In recent months, JY approached 16 Vancouver-area female estheticians who only serve women, requesting a ‘Brazilian’ bikini wax on his groin area,” revealed Carpay on Tuesday. “In spite of the fact that JY is able to obtain a Manzilian in Vancouver, JY has filed 16 complaints against these women at the BC Human Rights Tribunal, claiming discrimination on the basis of ‘gender identity.'”

    The female estheticians in question only serve women and do not offer so-called “Manzilians” — the male equivalent to a Brazilian wax. “The procedure for providing a man with a ‘Manzilian’ is quite different, using a different kind of wax and a different technique,” noted the lawyer.

  150. jason says:

    And wes is no more anti-Trump than I am.

    We just disagree on the importance of his “style” is when it comes to the 2020 election.

  151. NYCmike says:

    “BTW, I am not saying I think Trump will definitely win in 2020.”

    -EXACTLY.

    And as far as I have read, NOT ONE OTHER PERSON has said Trump will definitely win 2020.

  152. NYCmike says:

    “Transgender Woman Files Human Rights Complaints Against 16 Women For Refusing To Wax His Male Genitalia”

    -We went to the moon in 1969.

    NOW, this is where we are going!

  153. lisab says:

    neil armstrong, buzz aldrin and the other guy no one remembers

    were not well groomed

  154. lisab says:

    hawaiin judge extends georgia election to friday

  155. jason says:

    There is another reason why I think Trump can win in 2020.

    The Dem field is horrible. Corey is actually right that some like Cooper would be a much better candidate for the Dems than any of the front runners.

    But they won’t nominate a moderate. It will be a hard core leftist.

  156. Tina says:

    The hard core leftist will not hide his or her radical beliefs.

    Obama was able to do it, only occasionally throwing whitey overboard.

  157. Robbie says:

    Trump’s in big trouble heading into 2020. It’s really that simple.

    MonmouthPoll
    @MonmouthPoll

    NATIONAL POLL: Should @realDonaldTrump be re-elected in 2020?

    36% Should be re-elected (37% reg voters)
    59% Time for someone else (58% reg voters)

    Re-elect / someone else – by Party ID
    REP – 76% / 16%
    IND – 31% / 59%
    DEM – 8% / 92%

  158. lisab says:

    then you have to ask yourself,

    is it ok to vote in a way that puts a “hard core leftist” in the white house because you do not personally like trump?

    having seen how the dems act in broward county when they don’t run florida, how do you think it will be when they do run florida? and the justice deppartment? and scotus?

    as a lockean that is why i cannot support the dems. they don’t want a democracy anymore.

  159. lisab says:

    John,

    the thing is, the news channels have their constituencies. they don’t even pretend to be middle of the road. they play to their audience.

    cnn would go bankrupt if they tried to move to the center. the dems would stop watching, and no republican would even visit their channel, and even if they did by accident, they would like fox news better.

  160. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 14, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    There is another reason why I think Trump can win in 2020.
    The Dem field is horrible. Corey is actually right that some like Cooper would be a much better candidate for the Dems than any of the front runners.
    But they won’t nominate a moderate. It will be a hard core leftist.

    – This reminds me of all of those who said in November 1991 that George H W Bush was going to be easily re-elected because the crowd of Democrats running against him was laughable. Twelve months later he suffered a terrible defeat to the lowly governor of Arkansas.

    If Trump’s approval rating remains as low as it is now, he’s going to suffer a sizable loss in 2020 and it likely won’t matter who the opponent is. When the country decides it’s sick and tired of the incumbent, the incumbent loses. That’s how we got a pot smoking, draft dodging, womanizer in 1992 over GHWB.

  161. lisab says:

    Trump Is Right About Nationalism

    It’s not just about interests or even values. Americans cherish our country’s shared history and character.

    By Marco Rubio
    ————————-

    i guess we know who wants to take trump’s place

  162. lisab says:

    Twelve months later he suffered a terrible defeat to the lowly governor of Arkansas.
    ———————–

    who also happened to be a very gifted politician

  163. lisab says:

    in addition, i don’t remember anyone being particularly loyal to either bush.

    clinton, obama and trump all had/have strong supporters

    none of the bushes had that

  164. Barrett says:

    I’m not sure about Biden being able to beat an incumbent president – we can leave that one to debate.

    However, I can believe that Elizabeth Warren is done. She has done a perfectly good job at making an absolute fool of herself.

  165. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    What were the numbers for Obama/Bush in 2010 and 2002?

    For comparison sake.

  166. Tina says:

    Reuters) – Republican U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham said on Tuesday he supported a bill that would protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller from any politically motivated firings and would urge Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to allow a vote on it.

    From Granite to Goober.

  167. Tina says:

    If Mitchie takes this up, he is an idiot.

    It is so unconstitutional.

    The special counsel exits at the pleasure of the executive branch, not the legislative.

    Maybe, goober should worry more about the caravan invaders.

  168. Robbie says:

    The further we get from election day, the worse the results look for Trump and the wounded Republican Party he leads. In short, Trump, with his constant buffoonery and idiocy, lead the party to its worst showing in the House since Watergate. Making this feat all the more impressive, Trump and the party suffered this defeat with a roaring economy, probably the best we’ve seen since the late 1990’s.

    Some may not want to acknowledge it yet, but Trump is going to be a sizable underdog in 2020 and who the opponent is likely won’t matter much. An incumbent president with a 44% approval rating, as measured by the 2018 exit polls, does not get reelected. That person gets defeated in something approaching a landslide loss like the one Carter or GHWB suffered in 1980 and 1992 respectively.

    Making the issue all the tougher for Trump is he managed to achieve a 44% job approval rating with a roaring economy. If he can’t do better than that with great economic numbers and no major wars, what exactly would it take to see his job rating push towards 50%? And what happens if the economy slows even marginally between now and 2020? For instance, if the unemployment rate goes from 3.7% to 5% (hardly awful), does anyone think Trump’s standing with the public will be better? Just a bit of a slowdown will hurt Trump’s job rating.

    To add to Trump’s problems, he did what no Democrat has ever been able to do. He turned the suburbs into a killing field for Republicans. I know some here will say “but muh rural vote”, but Republicans can’t win without the suburbs and they can’t win without the support of college educated white women either. Both are groups that showed great resistance to Trump last week.

    Trump, sadly, is likely to run again and also be re-nominated by the Republican Party in 2020. That said, there are clear signs “Trump fatigue” is taking hold. I continue to believe Trump is susceptible to a credible primary challenge from someone like Nikki Haley or Mitt Romney, but that will depend solely on how Trump stands with voters in the Republican Party. As the new Monmouth poll shows, his support is still high, but where it stand towards around Labor Day 2019 will probably determine whether a credible challenge occurs.

    Trump is still a good bet to be re-nominated, but he’s also a good bet to be defeated in 2020 by a Democrat.

  169. Tina says:

    10m
    Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) told Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlow that Democrats are “stress-testing the integrity of our election system” to build a “road-map on how to steal the election from Donald Trump in 2020,” offering his remarks on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily.

    We need national voter id.

    This is a huge problem, voter fraud, counting all illegal votes.

  170. lisab says:

    Trump is still a good bet to be re-nominated, but he’s also a good bet to be defeated in 2020 by a Democrat.
    ——————-

    then you can make a LOT of money by betting that way right now

  171. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2018 at 1:34 pm
    Robbie,
    What were the numbers for Obama/Bush in 2010 and 2002?
    For comparison sake.

    – In 2002, Bush’s approval rating was in the mid 60’s thanks to afterglow of his performance with the 9/11 terrorist attacks. His job approval really didn’t start to take a significant dive until things went bad in Iraq and the economy began to falter in the latter half of 2005.

    In 2010, Obama’s job approval rating was 45%. That was due to a sputtering economy which featured an unemployment rate of 10% or so. However, Obama’s personal approval was never nearly as low as his job performance. People, by in large, still liked him.

    Personal approval is the reason Obama was able to overcome his problems and be re-elected. People still liked him. That’s not the case with Trump. Not only is his job performance rated low, people don’t like him personally either.

    It’s hard to overcome being bad at your job and being personally disliked as well. Trump is both of those things.

  172. Tina says:

    2h
    Replying to @Acosta
    CNN’s chief White House opinionator Jim @Acosta last week: Migrants in the caravan aren’t going to be climbing over walls! It’s not an invasion! This week: caravan migrants climb over the border fence at International Friendship Park fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/13/vid… pic.twitter.com/8ahz0XpS7h
    View conversation ·

    Acosta said they were not climbing over.

    Shepardly Smith said the caravans did not “exist.”

  173. Tina says:

    I guesa Faux News does fake news too.

  174. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 14, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Trump is still a good bet to be re-nominated, but he’s also a good bet to be defeated in 2020 by a Democrat.
    ——————-
    then you can make a LOT of money by betting that way right now

    – I can and I would have made a lot of money betting on a 40 seat loss in the House as a I said was possible in October 2017 if I was a gambler. You and the rest of the HHR ostriches stuck your heads in the sand though and ignored how bad things looked for 2018 and it appears many of you are already doing the same for 2020.

  175. Tina says:

    We can now call Shepardly Smith- Baghdad Bob.

    That network is rapidly turning into sheot.

  176. lisab says:

    i was going to mention that tina,

    the caravan which was a 1000 miles away, suddenly is climbing over border fences

  177. Tina says:

    Lisab, even menrioning the “fake caravan” was racist,

    Remember, what the Jebots wrote?

  178. lisab says:

    I can and I would have made a lot of money betting on a 40 seat loss in the House
    ————————–

    then you should …

    you could get out of your mother’s basement

  179. Tina says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/matthew-whitaker-can-legally-serve-as-acting-attorney-general-justice-department-says-1542207612

    Looks like the Jebots in ?Maryland are suing trump over Whitaker.

    That Doj opinion looks tough.

  180. Tina says:

    There are over 160 times when a person assumed a cabinet position in an acting position,

    Key is acting.

    mute 43 is even mentioned.

  181. lisab says:

    Remember, what the Jebots wrote?
    ——————————-

    tina,

    as i’m sure you are aware

    almost all dems and many reps, don’t care about illegal immigration.

  182. Tina says:

    Correct, Lisab. It is sad.

    Want the cheap labor and reward bad behavior with more goodies.

    Another reason why I left the Rs.

  183. Robbie says:

    As bad as things look for Republicans heading into 2020 (and they look bad), there is a way to change the dynamic. There is a way to regain the suburbs. There is a way to regain the vote of college educated white women. There is a way to deal with “Trump fatigue”. Nominate Nikki Haley.

    There isn’t a Democrat alive who could beat Nikki Haley. Not Joe Biden. Not Beto. Not Elizabeth Warren. Not Kamala Harris. Not Tim Tyan. Not Michael Bloomberg. Not anyone.

    In almost an instant, Nikki Haley would solve the problems Republicans have with Independents, in the suburbs, with women voters (especially college educated white women), and even with a segment of the minority groups that have reflexively opposed Republicans. On top of that, Republicans would probably stand a good chance of regaining many of the House seats lost last week.

    Nikki Haley would unify the party in a way that it hasn’t been unified since election day 2014. It would be a campaign that featured the partywide unity we briefly saw after the Kavanaugh hearing and her candidacy would bring Independents right back to the Republican Party.

    Obviously, Republicans aren’t going to nominate Haley over Trump. But if the goal is to win 2020, the status quo we have right now has to change. If Haley’s goal is to be president (I think we all know that’s her goal), then waiting for 2024 or later may just make her the next Chris Christie.

  184. Phil says:

    God, I hate saying this. It absolutely kills me……..but Robbie is right. Nikki Haley gives Republicans a chance in 2020 to retain the WH.

    Not the slam dunk he is making it out to be because there is a trade off – she will put us back in business in the suburbs, but at a cost shedding some working class voters in places like Michigan and Pa. on balance, however, she is stronger.

  185. Tina says:

    Kevin McCarthy elected as Rino minority leader,

    Talk about Paulo Ryan 2.0.

  186. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 13, 2018 at 5:09 pm
    Your assuming Trump re-election is doomed because of an adverse first midterm election; I don’t think you can assume that any more than assuming Reagan, Clinton, and Obama were doomed after losing their first midterm elections. A Democratic clown show, or Trump moderating his tone, would have a substantial impact. At this point, any predictions about 2020 are just speculation. Trump was all but written off in 2016, and he still won.

    – There is some whistling past the graveyard here. First, the presidents who suffered bad midterms only to win did not suffer bad midterms because of who they were personally. They lost because of the economy. This election was a referendum on Trump and his boorish behavior.

    Second, I can’t believe anyone at this points thinks Trump is going to moderate his tone or style. He’s a lifelong jerk. There’s no changing that. He’s still going to tweet stupidity. He’s still going to embarrass the country on the world stage. He’s still going to push conspiracies.

  187. NYCmike says:

    “It’s hard to overcome being bad at your job and being personally disliked as well. Trump is both of those things.”

    -Odd definition of “being bad at your job”…..roaring economy due to changes in tax code, attitude towards business, and the cutting of thousands of regulations, along with a pro-all-of-the-above energy sources, TOTALLY unlike his predecessor, and TOTALLY unlike any of the candidates who lost in 2016, or will attempt to win in 2020. To go along with picking a lot of judges who will for the most part be in the mold of what we think a judges role is.

    BUT, Robbie does NOT want the Democrat to win……

  188. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 13, 2018 at 5:14 pm
    “1. He is incapable of changing his tone”
    -Please make note of this comment.
    I will say that he is capable of doing it.
    Let’s talk in 2020.

    – It’s so funny NCYmike, who repeatedly claimed over the last year Trump has always acted this way, now suggests Trump can change his tone.

    Well, at least NYCmike is finally tacitly acknowledging Trump needs to change his tone.

  189. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    He has always acted as a boorish lout, and he has always acted in ways you would call diplomatic……it all depended on what stage of development one of his many real estate deals was in.

    Go thru press clippings from the late 70’s thru now, he was always either bloviating, complimenting, skewering, along with times where he showed great humility in praising his workers, the people affiliated with getting work permits approved, etc.

    You give ZERO credit to the man for his accomplishments. 2016 you were terribly wrong, 2018 you were terribly correct, for the most part.

    You still have not acknowledged the polls which said healthcare was the major issue in the suburbs.

  190. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 13, 2018 at 7:37 pm
    Voters hate Trump. Like as not, that alone matters going into 2020. For Trump to overcome that, he has to change public perception of him. Otherwise no evidence suggests anything you cited will be a detriment to the Dems until the 2022 midterms.

    – This, this, this.

  191. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    November 13, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    I hope that the Dems nominate Biden. If the economy stays strong and if the Dems do their typical over reach and if Uncle Joe just stays his dense self Trump will tear him apart.

    – So the red wave comes in 2020 instead of 2018?

  192. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 13, 2018 at 9:02 pm
    103. “Voters hate Trump. Like as not, that alone matters going into 2020.”
    Wes, its a lot more complex than that. I don’t know what will happen in 2020. But its going to be a wild ride. Also, presidents whose parties have lost midterm elections have often been re-elected.

    – No, it’s not more complicated that that. But whistle past the graveyard. It worked well for the last 18 months, right?

  193. Robbie says:

    sandiegocitizen says:
    November 14, 2018 at 3:21 am
    119. Everyone thought Trump would go down in fames in 2016. He had the same faults as he has now. He won. I don’t think anyone can say with any certainty he will lose in 2020, nor can they say who will be the Democrat running against him.

    – Is Hillary going to be his opponent again in 2020? No.

    The best the pro-Trump crowd has to offer after last week’s buttkicking is “we can’t say with certainty how things will work out”. Not much to rely on.

  194. NYCmike says:

    At least we know that Robbie will be speaking badly about the presumptive Republican nominee for President in 2020 NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS……BUT, of course, he does NOT want the Democrat to win.

  195. Robbie says:

    Todd McCain says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:23 am
    Trump is puerile, but it is way too early to say whether he is going to win or lose re-election…depends on if the condition of the economy is similar to now and the DEM candidate. If the economy is still gangbusters and the DEM candidate is Elizabeth Warren, I can easily see Trump winning again. If Kamala Harris is the nominee, Trump will have a problem.

    – We just ran an election with the best economy since the late 1990’s and lost. Why do you think anything is going to change? Trump is not going to get more popular. His ceiling is 45%.

  196. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    November 14, 2018 at 9:23 am
    Trump will be a formidable opponent in 2020. Any incumbent would be if they have the favorable winds of a good economy. He has a huge base of made up of pro life voters and evangelicals. These people may not storm the halls of Congress but they vote en mass. And after his court picks they will do that for Trump.

    – Then where were these voters last week? Trump just fought an election with the best economy since the late 1990’s and suffered the worst losses since Watergate. It’s time to stop whistling past the graveyard.

  197. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 14, 2018 at 12:36 pm
    Only Trump could have beaten Hillary.

    – LOL! This from the same fraud who said Republicans would only lose 20 House seats and all of the close races would go to the Republicans.

  198. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    The issue that stinks is supposed Republicans already throwing in the towel for 2020 in 2018.

    – We’re throwing in the towel if your boy Trump is the nominee and does nothing to change his ways (By the way, he won’t change his ways).

    I have already said I believe 2020 can be a great success if we nominate Nikki Haley, but you’ll probably claim she’s not strong enough on the RAISE Act or some other dopey pet issue of yours.

  199. Tina says:

    Kamala Harris is not strong.

    You folks need to see how the Dhs Secretary handled her during confirmation,

    That is how you handle her in a debate.

  200. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 14, 2018 at 2:37 pm
    At least we know that Robbie will be speaking badly about the presumptive Republican nominee for President in 2020 NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS……BUT, of course, he does NOT want the Democrat to win.

    – Yes, I will be speaking badly about Trump because Trump is a bad person who is doing great damage to the electoral chances of the Republican party. I will not, however, speak badly of Nikki Haley is she somehow became the nominee because she was be a fabulous candidate who would win.

    But if you want to put Trump on a pedestal and praise him just to see the party get whipped again in 2020, go for it.

  201. Phil says:

    I like just about everything Trump has done policy wise outside of trade. I also like that he hits back when the left goes after him – somethig W refused to do. Never understood why W just rolled up in a ball and let the left and their media puppets kick the crap out of him. He paid for it by having his approval numbers down in the high 30s even before the financial meltdown. That said, Trump could continue to fight back without going over the top. He refuses for whatever reason. He is his own worst enemy at times.

  202. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 14, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    God, I hate saying this. It absolutely kills me……..but Robbie is right. Nikki Haley gives Republicans a chance in 2020 to retain the WH.

    – Say ten Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys and you will be forgiven for agreeing with me.

  203. Robbie says:

    In today’s edition of “what crazy conspiracy will Trump push”, we have this.

    Sarah Westwood
    @sarahcwestwood

    President Trump accuses people of changing their clothes and returning to cast additional ballots in disguise. (there’s no evidence of this) “Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again.”

  204. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – Trump acts like he lost in 2016. He is bitter and petty (2 of my finest qualities). He should fight back when criticized but he has no clue on how to attack with substance rather than insults.

    This fight with Acosta would have played out differently with somebody like Reagan. RR would have cut him down with a joke “Jim, if you want a microphone that much, I am sure your network would buy you one. We only have one for reporters.”

  205. Tina says:

    Henry Rodgers
    @henryrodgersdc
    15m
    EXCLUSIVE: Krysten Sinema (@kyrstensinema) Says She’ll Work With Republicans On Border Wall dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/kyr… via @DailyCaller
    View

    Enema pledges to work with Rs on border wall.

  206. Tina says:

    Not good news for Lady Daca. She had weeks to prepare for the invasion caravan, and the invaders breached it.

    Trump is looking foolish on this since he is ultimately responsible for the breach.

  207. Proud Obamacon says:

    “President Trump accuses people of changing their clothes and returning to cast additional ballots in disguise. (there’s no evidence of this) “Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again.”

    Phuck! The Pussy Grabber knows all my tricks! LOL

    #FEEL.THE.WAVE

  208. Robbie says:

    Trump has put himself into several steep nosedives during his short presidency, but he’s always avoided a total crash. The recent election seems to have triggered another one that appears a bit steeper than other episodes. He’ll bottom out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a slow and steady erosion of his support over the next few months as the impact of the election sets in with Republican voters and the “rally around the flag” before the election wears off.

  209. Waingro says:

    He just needs to go away.

    Phil Mattingly
    ?Verified account @Phil_Mattingly
    9m9 minutes ago

    .@JeffFlake announces on the floor he has informed McConnell he will not for any judicial nominees on the floor or in the Judiciary Committee until the Mueller protection bill gets a floor vote
    100 replies 351 retweets 1,248 likes

    Phil Mattingly
    ?Verified account @Phil_Mattingly

    Flake: “I have informed the Majority Leader that I will not vote to advance any of the 21 judicial nominees pending in the Judiciary Committee, or vote to confirm the 32 judges awaiting a confirmation vote on the floor, until S. 2644 is brought to the full Senate for a vote.”
    4:22 PM – 14 Nov 2018

  210. Waingro says:

    “Enema pledges to work with Rs on border wall.”

    She’s lying.

  211. Phil says:

    217

    Fine, Flake. The new Congress convenes in seven weeks and your worthless ass is finally gone. The Republican majority will be 53-47. We’ll confirm them in mass then.

    How nice is it going to be to see Flake long gone for good? Let him do daily panels on CNN. His leverage is just about over.

  212. Tina says:

    Flakey is an ahole.

  213. Scooterboy says:

    Any Florida recount updates? Thanks.

  214. Marv says:

    #217 Waingro,

    Give Flake his floor vote. The House isn’t going to do a Mueller protection vote, so the Senate’s vote will have no effect. It’s pretty much a waste of time.

    Get this over with quickly and move on to confirming judges quickly.

  215. Tina says:

    Flakey is a mental case.

    The Chinese or ?Iranians have bought him.

  216. Robbie says:

    Marv says:
    November 14, 2018 at 4:54 pm
    #217 Waingro,
    Give Flake his floor vote. The House isn’t going to do a Mueller protection vote, so the Senate’s vote will have no effect. It’s pretty much a waste of time.
    Get this over with quickly and move on to confirming judges quickly.

    – This is 100% correct. Vote on it. Then let the House do nothing. Stifling the vote makes it an issue when it need not be one.

  217. Tina says:

    Mitch told Flakey to pound sand.

  218. Marv says:

    Tina,

    Apparently, Mitch has a pledge from the other 50 GOP Senators to vote yes on every nominee

  219. Tina says:

    Joe Biggs
    @Rambobiggs
    Follow
    Let me get this straight- Acting AG Whitaker should recuse himself from oversite of the Mueller probe because of his past political activities but Hillary’s personal lawyer can lead the potential prosecution of Roger Stone ? dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/mue…
    2:13 PM – 13 Nov 2018
    Mueller Grand Jury Witness Accuses Clinton-Linked Prosecutor Of Conflict Of Interest
    Jeannie Rhee previously represented Hillary and the Clinton Foundation
    The Daily Caller The Daily Caller @DailyCaller

  220. Tina says:

    Marv, Mitchie ain’t playing with the Mentally ill.

    He has changed since Antifa tried to attack him and his wife.

    Remember, his wife went into ninja mode, scaring the Antifa.

  221. Tina says:

    No conflict with Fuhrer Mukehead and a lead Hillary attorney.

    Marv, the House Rs should defund this scam.

  222. marc says:

    Recount Update:

    Machine count done Net shift in vote counts as a result of the machine recount in Duval County:

    Scott -2
    DeSantis -3
    Fried +1

  223. Tina says:

    We have been wasting $$$ on Fuhrer Mulehead and his band of 17 angry Ds.

    2 years of money down a rat hole.

  224. marc says:

    53/67 counties have finished machine recounts. By tonight that should be above 60.

  225. Tina says:

    Marc, any sig. changes. It does not seem so.

  226. Phil says:

    Knowing Democrats and the way they operate I’d wager the counties with no final totals tonight would just happen to be our friends in Broward and Palm Beach, plus Democratic counties of Miami-Dade, Orange, Osceola, Hillsborough, and probably Leon.

    Would that be pretty much on the money, marc?

    Just a really wild, way out guess I know. I went waaaaay out on the limb with that one.

  227. NYCmike says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/utah-republican-behind-in-tight-race-sues-to-halt-vote-count/ar-BBPIaRF?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDHP

    -Can anyone give me one reason why a state as Republican as Utah would be so ridiculously short-sighted to push for more voting-by-mail?

    That is just plain stupid!

  228. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Sleazebag Michael Avenetti has been arrested for assault on a womwn according to TMZ.

    https://twitter.com/TMZ

  229. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    9h
    ‘Brenda Snipes told reporters “it is time to move on” from the position she has held for 15 years as head of Broward County’s elections’ This is what a guilty person who knows the hammer is coming down does. miamiherald.com/news/local/com…

    Hope she enjoys prison.

  230. Tina says:

    It’s a felony offense,

  231. Frank says:

    marc,

    Is there a website with a list of the completed counties and their recount totals/changes?

    thanks,

    Frank

  232. Phil says:

    Frank, I’ve googled and searched and can’t find a thing on totals coming out of individual counties. If it wasn’t for what marc has gotten from his Florida Republican contacts we’d have no information at all. There’s just nothing out there that I can find.

  233. Frank says:

    Phil,

    Thanks. I have been searching too. Appreciate your efforts.

    Frank

  234. 236. “-Can anyone give me one reason why a state as Republican as Utah would be so ridiculously short-sighted to push for more voting-by-mail?”

    Because it is convenient; and voters with jobs and large families don’t have the time to stand in line for hours to vote. California has had mail ballots for years, and there has never been a substantial challenge to the practice. If a race is close there can be a recount. I not voted at a polling station any election this century.

  235. Cash Cow TM says:

    First WV, then MD to WV, then into PA, OH, IN,
    and now in IL.

    WI by tomorrow afternoon!

    So far , I have seen no evidence of a blue or red wave.

  236. Brandon says:

    Some good news on the House front:

    BREAKING: #UT04 Rep. Mia Love (R) narrowly wins latest batch of votes from Salt Lake Co., narrowing Ben McAdams (D)’s lead form 1,227 to 873. This makes her the favorite to prevail, once more Utah Co. votes are counted.

  237. Robbie says:

    If she wins, she should be sure and rub it in the face lunatic Don who mocked her for having lost last week.

    Dave Wasserman
    @Redistrict

    BREAKING: #UT04 Rep. Mia Love (R) narrowly wins latest batch of votes from Salt Lake Co., narrowing Ben McAdams (D)’s lead form 1,227 to 873. This makes her the favorite to prevail, once more Utah Co. votes are counted.

  238. Phil says:

    Yep. Mia would probably have plenty to say and rightly so.

    Another case of Trump stepping all over himself for no reason at all.

  239. Bitterlaw says:

    Because it is convenient; and voters with jobs and large families don’t have the time to stand in line for hours to vote.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz. My wife and I both had time to stand in line to vote. Always have. Always will.

  240. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Romney campaigned hard for Love, so if she does pull it out he deserves a lot of credit.

    Utah County is coming in over 70% for Love. What complicates things is the southern area of Salt Lake County votes like Utah County, so if the precincts in that area are still out, they will help Love.

  241. Tina says:

    Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    51m
    Read the bombshell text messages that support Roger Stone’s claims about his Wikileaks back channel. dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/rog… via @dailycaller
    View summary ·

    Looks like Roger Stone is in the clear. Documents confirm his statements before Congrsss and to Fuhrer Mulehead.

  242. Scooterboy says:

    “Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again”

    This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy about Trump. Total unforced error.

  243. Paul says:

    251: All it takes is a fake mustache and a new hat. 🙂

  244. Tina says:

    I like to see the before and after of that quote.

    The Jebots always like to take one sentence, or a few words of his statement.

    Notice how the Jebots made no comments about the vote theft in Florida.

  245. Cash Cow TM says:

    I did see a blue geyser (not a wave) when I went through Monongalia County (MOrgantown WV) where the Ds swept all 5 House of Delegate seats 2 or 3 incumbent Rs lost) and one State Senate seat (incumbent D won).

  246. Cash Cow TM says:

    So, when are DW and the other poll crunchers gunna put up a post about which pollsters were “best” and which ones were way off horrible?
    ###############################################
    Cow would do it, but is too lazy to do so…plus cramped up traveling in back seat of Mrs. Walt’s Subaru.

  247. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    They have already taken over Trump’s twitter, and his past few tweets are tame.

    “@realDonaldTrump
    Just spoke to Governor Jerry Brown to let him know that we are with him, and the people of California, all the way!”

    Soon he will be singing Christmas songs to Pelosi.

  248. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    realDonaldTrump
    “I am grateful to be here today w/ Members of the House & Senate who have poured their time, heart and energy into the crucial issue of Prison Reform. Working together w/ my Admin over the last two years, these members have reached a bipartisan agreement…”

    Soon he is going to be conspiring with Bernie on tariffs against China.

  249. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    IHATE2FLY
    November 15, 2018 at 7:40 am
    0700 update. With 47 of 67 counties now reporting recount results, I estimate:
    — Scott: -9; Nelson: +10; (19 vote gain for Nelson)
    — DeSantis: -12; Gillum: 0; (12 vote gain for Gillum)

    Not all counties have reported under and over votes; while some counties have only reported ballots counted and vote totals; and, some counties have reported hard under and over vote numbers. It appears under and over votes may only affect the Senate race between Scott and Nelson as the Governor’s race is not yet under the 0.25% margin required for a hand recount of those votes.

    We’ll know after 1500 today, when results are required to be sent to the state.Stay tuned!

    From RRH

  250. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    A Trump-appointed Federal Judge in Florida extends a deadline for curing signature matching on tossed ballots to 5:00 p.m. on Saturday.
    This is beginning to feel like the Kavanaugh confirmation with all the delay tactics.

    Rick Scott and his team have appealed to the 11th Circuit in Atlanta to expunge the District Court ruling.

    The ruling effects about 3,800 votes in the 47 Counties so far finished with the macine recount so this could easily go to 10,000 ballots statewide.h

  251. Wes says:

    An RRHer adopts the French path to victory—surrender:

    WINGNIGHTALONE
    November 15, 2018 at 7:56 am
    I think forfeiting the Salt Lake seat is smart. It’s only going to get bluer and cost more money.
    26. Saint John-Rothesay.

    Even a regular bedwetter over there disagreed.

  252. jason says:

    Obviously, Republicans aren’t going to nominate Haley over Trump.”

    After a lot of garbage, even a moron like Amoral Scumbag gets the message.

    Nikki Haley is not going to run against Trump, let alone be nominated.

    And of course, she wouldn’t win even IF she were nominated.

  253. jason says:

    I see Amoral Scumbag is lying again.

    I never said “Republicans would win all close races”.

    I said Rs would win most races where POLLING showed it within 2% or so.

    This was certainly true for Scott and Gillum in FL, Braun in IN, Hawley in MO, DeWine in OH and other races. Might be true for Mia Love

    It wasn’t true in AZ or NV senate races.

  254. Robbie says:

    I can remember all the way back to yesterday when those down the bunker with Trump said he it was possible he could change his tone going into 2020.

    Welp, just look at lunatic Don’s twitter feed this morning. His post election meltdown continues.

    There is no changing Donald Trump. He’s unbalanced and his erratic behavior is only going to get worse as we head towards 2020.

  255. Robbie says:

    No problem, right? Trump just needs to change his tone and everything will be fine.

    Jack Fowler
    @jackfowler

    “… if center-Right suburbanites aren’t won back to the party, Election Night 2020 will make the GOP’s midterm defeats seem painless by comparison.” @DavidBahnsen drops a turd in the GOP punchbowl.

    https://t.co/yG8sjykLPd

  256. Phil says:

    Would you have him change his policies? I rather like them myself. If so, which ones?

    Changing his tone would actually help quite a bit, but we’ll never know will we, because he will never do it. He can’t help himself.

  257. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 15, 2018 at 10:22 am
    Would you have him change his policies? I rather like them myself. If so, which ones?
    Changing his tone would actually help quite a bit, but we’ll never know will we, because he will never do it. He can’t help himself.

    – Outside of trade, I have supported most of the policies he has signed into law.

  258. lisab says:

    Nikki Haley is not going to run against Trump, let alone be nominated.
    ————————————

    moreover, it would not help the republicans if she did.

    you are facing a problem of demographics, and it is NOT just minorities anymore.

    for example, anyone with a serious pre-existing condition will vote democrat from now on. also, a lot of these people with HUGE education loans will vote democrat from now on.

    gop message: pay your bills

    democrat message: those $100,000+ student loans you have? vote for us and you won’t have to pay them.

    trump is a boor, but there are a few things he has done that are really good.

    a.) kept us out of a new war so far. we don’t seem to be throwing missiles around at people.

    b.) he is getting people back to work. people who work have a work ethic. people on welfare, especially for a long time, lose a work ethic.

    c.) he is starting to deal with the huge number of blacks in prison. it is only a start, but it is a real issue.

  259. lisab says:

    you simply cannot hope to win anymore with a bush/romney retread.

    there are not enough white middle class people anymore

  260. jason says:

    Is that the new Never Trumper meme?

    Trump has to change his tone?

    Zzzzzzzzz…….

  261. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag knows Nikki Haley would never win a GE.

    Run a Nikki Haley and the blue collar voters that help elect Trump will go right back to voting Dem.

    As lisab says, you are not going to win anymore (actually we didn’t win with McCain or Romney already) with bush/romney retreads.

    Nikki Haley could be an option for 2024 not 2020 after she gets some gravitas under her belt.

  262. jason says:

    Even after the bad results in the House Rs still back Trump for re-election 76-16. This number will increase, not decrease.

  263. lisab says:

    jason is correct, trump won because of blue collar working people, once a dem constituency.

    you will lose a few people because of his tone. but the vast majority of people are going to vote their pocketbooks. the midwest and rust belt want jobs. african americans want jobs. they do want health care costs to go down, but they don’t want to lose the health care completely.

    republicans, no matter the candidate, have to make those arguments.

    because the democrats are going to say, “free health care, free welfare, free college etc.”

  264. Wes says:

    Trump is still popular among House Republicans because most of those left are from safe districts and will be unlikely to face serious opposition for linking themselves to him.

    As far as Nikki Haley, while I’m not advocating a run because Trump as President is a prohibitive favorite for denomination, I can think of only two reasons his blue-collar base—which did exactly nothing for Republicans this year despite Trump’s vigorous campaigning—they would abandon Haley were she the nominee:

    1) They’re Trump cultists. In this case, they’ll be voting Dem anyway once Trump is out of the White House.

    2) They’re racists.In this instance, Republicans don’t benefit from them anyway.

    In either instance, Republicans need to appeal to other voters because the 2016 Trump coalition looks unlikely at best to produce a victory again.

  265. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:28 am
    you simply cannot hope to win anymore with a bush/romney retread.
    there are not enough white middle class people anymore

    – Have you ever considered being a comedian? If you haven’t, you should.

    On the one hand you say you say Republicans have a demographic problem. On the other hand you slobber all over Trump who has spent three and a half years making sure as few minorities votes for Republicans.

  266. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:39 am
    Is that the new Never Trumper meme?
    Trump has to change his tone?
    Zzzzzzzzz…….

    – Nice try, Jason fraud. If you went through the comments, you’d see it’s Trumpers like you who are now recognizing Trump needs to change his tone.

    People like me who’ve seen through Trump’s conman routine for three and half years (unlike you) realize there is no better version of Trump. For the next two years he’s going to act like an unhinged lunatic and you’re going to excuse it every step of the way.

  267. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:42 am
    Amoral Scumbag knows Nikki Haley would never win a GE.
    Run a Nikki Haley and the blue collar voters that help elect Trump will go right back to voting Dem.

    – Watching Jason fraud, who argued persistently for comprehensive immigration reform and supported Rubio, change his tune and become Mr. Populist is so HHR. At least you’re not even trying to maintain an ounce of consistency.

    And for ever blue collar voters you THINK goes back to Democrats because Lunatic Trump isn’t on the ballot, the Republicans gain back the suburban voters who abandoned them last week. You remember last week, right? The election where you said Republicans would only lose 20 House seats.

  268. Victrc says:

    So let’s discuss what happens to electoral chances in 2020 if Pelosi doesn’t get the gavel.

    I can tell you that there sis strong possibility she doesn’t, and if so what does it do to the D chances in 2020…and conversely Trump’s chances if a Clyburn or Rep.Fudge gets the gavel. Now Trump and the R’s can’t run against Pelosi. Additionally does the ascension of Clyburn or Rep.Fudge ( or another woman speaker) embolden the far left who engages in non stop hearings and impeachment or does it give the moderates more voice, thereby changing the tenor of the next two years….

    Thoughts?

  269. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:44 am
    Even after the bad results in the House Rs still back Trump for re-election 76-16. This number will increase, not decrease.

    – A prediction made just as ignorantly as the one he made last week that Republicans would only lose 20 House seats.

    Jason fraud, a true idiot these days, seems to think Trump only needs Republicans to win in 2020. Wrong, moron. He needs a much broader coalition than the one he created last week. He can’t win without Independents and they’ve turned away from him. I know you know this, but Trumpism is a disease and makes people do stupid things.

  270. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 15, 2018 at 12:00 pm
    jason is correct, trump won because of blue collar working people, once a dem constituency.
    you will lose a few people because of his tone. but the vast majority of people are going to vote their pocketbooks. the midwest and rust belt want jobs. african americans want jobs. they do want health care costs to go down, but they don’t want to lose the health care completely.

    – This comedy gold. Everything claimed here was refuted last week.

    If voters voted on their pocketbooks, why did they just throw Republicans out?

    If the Midwest wants jobs, why did they throw Scott Walker out in WI and elect Democrats in MI, and MN?

    If blacks want jobs, why did they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats last week?

  271. Tina says:

    s Robles
    @FrancesRobles
    34s
    The Scott campaign reports that with 60 of 67 counties reporting, Mr. Scott’s margin in the Senate has risen by 54 votes — but with 40,000 votes that would need to be checked manually.
    View details ·

  272. Tina says:

    We need Piglosi to get the gavel.

    It will be better for 2020.

    She will not walk over .trump, like she did with the incompetent Bush 43.

  273. Tina says:

    Benadryl to fire Porn lawyah, if accusations true,

  274. Cash Cow TM says:

    Please pray for the poor people of central Illinois.
    Just like last time when we came thru here, most of the big wind mills are not turning, so I guess they still have no electricity.

  275. Tina says:

    Porn lawyah now being investigating for making threats.

    This person needs help.

    You could tell he was going to erupt in an anger fit.

  276. Robbie says:

    In January 1968, there wasn’t a single person alive who thought LBJ wouldn’t be renominated by the Democrats and wouldn’t be a strong favorite to win reelection. He was the canniest politician to ever inhabit the White House.

    Eugene McCarthy decided to run in 1968 simply because he wanted to make the war in Vietnam a big issue. He never thought he could win. He just wanted to highlight his pet issue.

    Well what happened? It turned out LBJ’s support in the Democrat party was a mile wide, but only an inch deep. McCarthy accidentally showed there was resistance to LBJ the polls and pundits never captured and just one mediocre result in the NH primary drove LBJ from the race.

    Right now, I think Trump’s in a similar situation. I don’t for an instant think John Kasich could ever beat Trump, but I suspect Kasich, who appears to be running, could be the McCarthy of 2020. If he begins to poll even remotely more than an asterisk, it wouldn’t surprise me if it causes others consider a run.

  277. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    17m
    Randy Credico told CNN after his Mueller grand jury appearance that he testified that he was not Roger Stone’s source for Wikileaks info. But here are his text messages suggesting otherwise. dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/rog… @dailycaller pic.twitter.com/9rTf89j3XO

    The question is will Fuhrer Mulehead charge Credico, a left winger?

  278. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 15, 2018 at 11:42 am
    Nikki Haley could be an option for 2024 not 2020 after she gets some gravitas under her belt.

    – I was assured in 2008 Obama’s lack of gravitas would prevent him from winning. I read it here at HHR hundreds of times.

  279. Victrc says:

    The ability to hold the working class Dems that Trump brought to the R party should Trump not be the nominee is going to be almost solely reliant on how the new D Congress treats them.

    If they kowtow to the Ocasio-nutjob wing of the party then maybe a decent candidate like a Pence, Hayley, maybe a Sasse could hold them.

    The problem with those theee are they don’t motivate that group like Trump does, and losing them while winning back suburban woman will not win the election for the R’s

    2020 be interesting at least.

  280. Tina says:

    If Sasseshke is the nominee, I will not vote for President.

    Somebody really needs a history lesson on Johnson.

  281. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    3h
    Universities will someday study what highly conflicted (and NOT Senate approved) Bob Mueller and his gang of Democrat thugs have done to destroy people. Why is he protecting Crooked Hillary, Comey, McCabe, Lisa Page & her lover, Peter S, and all of his friends on the other side?

    It is on, please fire his arse. Or better yet, house Rs defund him ASAP.

  282. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    3h
    The only “Collusion” is that of the Democrats with Russia and many others. Why didn’t the FBI take the Server from the DNC? They still don’t have it. Check out how biased Facebook, Google and Twitter are in favor of the Democrats. That’s the real Collusion!

    Triggering time,..

  283. Wes says:

    Vic, your contention is premise that Trump won with some grandiose coalition in 2016. He did not. He got 46% of the national vote that year and edged Hillary in four critical states because she essentially assumed she had won and later came under a second FBI investigation right before the election.

    That Jill Stein appeared on the ballot in states Hillary took for granted did nothing to help Hillary win.

    The same areas Trump won big in turned out last week. It didn’t matter because Dems and Indies were enthusiastic in their opposition to Trump and swamped GOP turnout.

    This all happened during the biggest economic expansion since the 1990s.

    I fully believe Republicans need to keep the Trump coalition. On that we agree. At the same time, they need to find a way not to antagonize the same people who turned out against them a week ago. There’s no indication Trump can do that.

    All of the cases for Trump I see are that Dems will overreach or some other self-serving gallimaufry such as HHR was famous for a decade ago. That’s not something I want to have to hope for because I saw the results last time.

    It’s really simple:

    Trump starts acting like a President rather than a thin-skinned schoolyard bully, or 2018 is the same precursor to 2020 2006 was to 2008. There’s really nothing more complex to it than that because Dems won’t nominate an entitled, elitist slacker who assumes victory right before the FBI opens up an investigation against him or her in 2020.

  284. Victrc says:

    Wes

    I agree with your last paragraph completely. If trump acts like a President the next two years he has a chance.

    If he acts like Donald j. Trump we need another candidate.

  285. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    10m
    CNN’s John King on the recount in Florida: No chance for Democrats to win, they are now hoping courts “bend the letter of the law” pic.twitter.com/LdSy0x92Qi

    Cautiously optimistic about this.

  286. Cash Cow TM says:

    Do tou shoot looters on sight?
    Or do you shoot them on site?

  287. Paul says:

    288: I don’t want to encourage it because I think she could be formidable. But, being a Governor and UN Ambassador through some challenging times gives her plenty enough gravitas.

  288. Paul says:

    Brown / Tester 2020

  289. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    November 15, 2018 at 1:24 pm
    Wes
    I agree with your last paragraph completely. If trump acts like a President the next two years he has a chance.
    If he acts like Donald j. Trump we need another candidate.

    – As much as I dislike Trump, I do agree a significant improvement in his demeanor and behavior would give him a chance at winning reelection. Given what we’ve seen from him the last three and a half years, I won’t hold my breath.

    If Trump continues to act the way he has so far, a new candidate would be needed, if for no other reason, to preserve the viability of the Republican party after 2020. He could produce a wipeout if he goes into election day with this kind of job approval.

  290. Robbie says:

    Paul says:
    November 15, 2018 at 1:59 pm
    288: I don’t want to encourage it because I think she could be formidable. But, being a Governor and UN Ambassador through some challenging times gives her plenty enough gravitas.

    – Yes. Her resume would be more than qualifying for national office.

  291. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Trump continues the same, I could see by the beginning of next year a Republican movement in support of another candidate. As I have said before, people support reformers for only a short period of time; then they tire of the chaos. Believe we are seeing signs of Trump fatigue.

    Haley’s a possible alternative candidate, but would not rule out Rubio or Romney. The Republicans badly need to expand their base, not only bring back the suburbanites, but attract other demographic groups as well.

    The Democrats may get points from beating up on Trump, but the policies they propose are too extreme for the majority of voters.

  292. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Right now, the balls in Trump’s court. He needs to change and adapt away from his abrasive style. If he is successful, he well may win re-election; if not he likely is a one term president. But anything could happen in the next two years, so am not ready to predict 2020.

  293. marc says:

    Recount Update:

    So it looks the net results of the recount in Miami Dade are:

    Scott +60
    DeSantis +22
    Fried -32

    812,991 total ballots.

    All counties but one will make the 3 pm statewide deadline.

  294. Wes says:

    I find the argument that Haley lacks gravitas both amusing and laughable.

    She came from nowhere to win a seat in the SC House, finished first in a primary against a better-known opponent for Governor, destroyed him in the runoff, overcame a united cabal of Dems and apostate Republicans to win the general, had a successful run as Governor, and won re-election easily.

    She later became Ambassador to the UN.

    In contrast, Donald Trump was a real estate mogul with a series of bankruptcies and divorces in his background who jumped around from political party to political party before leaving a reality show to beat an immensely flawed opponent for President.

    Haley is the one who lacks the standing for the presidency though.

    Of course any talk about Haley in 2020 is academic. Trump is President and will win renomination in the near-certain event of his seeking reelection. Haley has an at best minuscule chance of beating him for the nomination in the unlikely event of a primary challenge.

  295. Wes says:

    RF, Nelson is nothing but a sore loser trying to hang on to power. Even if he succeeds, I doubt a Republican Senate would seat him given the obviousness of his attempt to steal the election.

  296. ReadyFirst says:

    308. Wes, I thought that same thing a couple days ago. I guess we still have that nuclear Ace card to play by not seating Nelson. I don’t think it comes to that though. Nelson’s noose is tightening quickly.

  297. ReadyFirst says:

    “A major legal setback for Democrats: Judge Mark Walker refuses to extend recount deadlines, criticizing the Florida Legislature and elections officials for making the state “the laughingstock of the world, election after election”
    @elizabethrkoh”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1063148395186044929

  298. Tina says:

    On my radio station, the hack mentioned palm beach county making the results possible for a hand recount. No specific details were given as to how “another recount is possible”.

  299. Tina says:

    Kampala Harris just compared Ice to the kkk.

  300. marc says:

    Nelson hasn’t gotten his way in court either, his hack lawyer ask the judge for the counties to provide of list of voters who didn’t have signatures on Absentee ballots, the judge said no and told them he would not be use to sway an election after the vote had been counted.

  301. ReadyFirst says:

    Lots of stuff flying right now Tina. PB county also had a separate ruling for recounting PB made by a FL, not Federal judge, that does not apply to the Senate seat.

    Machine recount results should seal Gillums fate today as he should be out of the hand recount threshold. That just leaves Nelson and there just aren’t enough votes for DEMs to “cure” as Nelson’s lead is too large. What a sad, unsportsmanlike end to Nelson’s unimpressive political career.

  302. Dylan says:

    How does the nuclear “refusal to seat” process even work? Does that seat remain vacant until 2020?

  303. Tina says:

    So, sounds like the fusion gps lawyah is running out of options?

  304. ReadyFirst says:

    BTW, FWIW, I read that Judge Walker was a Trump appointee. Elections have consequences, right Barry O?

  305. Tina says:

    Thanks Rf.

  306. ReadyFirst says:

    “While the Senate’s review of contested elections in most cases did not change the outcome, in several notable instances the body actually overturned the results of the election. In 1926, after conducting a full recount of ballots, the Senate unseated one senator and declared that the challenger had been elected. Also in the 1920s, evidence of excessive campaign expenditures and pervasive corruption led the Senate to refuse to seat either contender in two cases. Nearly half a century later in 1975, after months of partisan bickering over the results of a close New Hampshire contest, the Senate declared the seat vacant, and the state held a new election.”
    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/contested_elections/types_election_cases.htm

  307. ReadyFirst says:

    The above with a probable Governors interim Appointment.

  308. phoenixrisen says:

    You gotta hand it to the Dems, they are creative but this is criminal. Definite violation of numerous election laws and likely fraud as well.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/11/15/hmmm-florida-dems-plotted-use-altered-forms-statewide/

  309. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    In the Maine CD-2 race, Poliquin(R) had a 2,000 vote lead until today that has now been altered to a 4,000 vote win by Golden(D).
    Why you ask? Maine passed a referendum that requires voters to select a second choice in a race where a candidate does not receive 50% of the vote in the standard manner.
    This election is the first time it was used and ,this morning, a Trump-appointed Judge confirmed that this new voting method is constitutional.

    If I were Poliquin(R), I would appeal the ruling on equal protection grounds since it seems to me that about 20,000 Maine voters received two votes in the election while everyone else received one vote each.

  310. Marv says:

    ReadyFirst,

    Just wanted to let you know that I’m on duty manning the Command Post here in So Fla. Our standard force posture is DEFCON 3

  311. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING IN FLORIDA RECOUNT:

    Broward numbers are lower than first results: Numbers being sent to Tallahassee show 779-vote swing to Scott.
    https://twitter.com/lbarszewski/status/1063165792643104774

  312. ReadyFirst says:

    Phoenix. Rick Scott is having none of that. Glad to see Reps are finally learning to play hardball. Great Rep. team effort all around, starting with Rubio. Who knows, maybe a FL voter ID can now make its way on to the agenda?
    http://www.flanewsonline.com/scott-campaign-calls-on-democrat-party-chair-resignation-after-reports-surface-alleging-intentional-fraud/?amp

  313. ReadyFirst says:

    Roger Marv. Stand by in case we need to call in an air strike.

  314. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #324
    Add: And an approximate 750 vote swing toward Governor-Elect Ron DeSantis(R). It’s time for Mr. DeSantis to let “the fat lady sing!

  315. marc says:

    Recount Update

    Broward County vote shifts between Saturday and now:
    – Scott down 606 votes
    – Nelson down 1,385 votes
    – DeSantis down 621 votes
    – Gillum down 1,373 votes
    – Caldwell down 616 votes
    – Fried down 1,381 votes
    Broward reported 2,000-3,000 fewer votes in each race overall.

  316. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    322. What happened in Maine was basically a run-off election, done on one ballot. Cannot see how it is unconstitutional.

  317. ReadyFirst says:

    Thanks Marc. Caldwell is ohhhh so close.

  318. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since Mia Love may win, the Republicans need to put her in a leadership position. Then Trump can get the love he claims she did not give him.

  319. Phil says:

    Have any of the military ballots been counted?

  320. ReadyFirst says:

    Ag candidate Caldwell might still pull this off in a hand recount if numbers keep going the way of Broward and Hillsborough.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1063175046024302593

  321. ReadyFirst says:

    I know the Ag race is a so what to non FL peeps. I just don’t want an loony Dem like Fried screwing around with my CC permit like she’s advocated. Plus, I don’t want to see her name on all the elevator and gas pump certifications for the next 4 years.

  322. marc says:

    Glad to announce that I have been asked to join Gov-Elect DeSantis Transition Team. The election is over and it’s time to set up a new government in Florida.

  323. ReadyFirst says:

    Very nice Marc! Congratulations!

  324. dblaikie says:

    Great Marc! Congrats.

  325. marc says:

    So it looks like Governor and Sen-Elect Scott adder 865 votes over Bill Nelson after the 66 counties reported the machine recount.

    The SOS has order a hand recount for the Senate and Ag offices. Governor races has been decided for Republican Ron DeSantis.

  326. Tina says:

    What’s Scott’s margin?

  327. NYCmike says:

    Good luck, marc.

  328. Tina says:

    Marc, congrats.l

    Looks like ihe leads by over 13400.

    It is Ovah.

    Hopefully, Skeletor concedes and requests no hand count.

  329. Phil says:

    Nice going, Marc.

  330. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Great job,Marc! Congratulations on your new gig.
    Your insights during the election campaign and aftermath have been priceless.
    Please kepp in touch with we peons at HHR.

  331. marc says:

    Who cares if they concede, we need to stop operating like Democrats are an honest and ethical group that you can work with. There actions have not proven that they are..

  332. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #329- SDC
    We respectfully disagree about the election process in Maine. A run-off is different from ranked voting and takes on its own dynamic. There is a separation in time.
    In Maine’s ranked voting scenario, a second choice is nothing more than an afterthought and provides a voter to vote twice.
    It may be fine in a State election governed by State and local law, but should be proscribed for Federal offices.

    SDC– it appears that the GOP will lose 7 Congressional seats in this election if you count Valdao’s seat in CA CD-21. What the h-ll is going on?

  333. marc says:

    It’s temporary just doing interviews/hiring staff for the New administration and setting up Destanis policy for the first couple months of the administration. Florida is a big state so the tradition and hiring involves a over 2 thousand positions.

  334. Frank says:

    marc,

    Congratulations. Well deserved.

    Frank

  335. Ameister says:

    Local news in Miami is reporting Broward recount was too late and will not be used . Scott margin reported at 12,600

  336. Messy says:

    328. 120 seconds late…the entire machine recount in Broward is now invalid. They’re going to have a hand recount anyway. Happy happy joy joy.

  337. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    345. “SDC– it appears that the GOP will lose 7 Congressional seats in this election if you count Valdao’s seat in CA CD-21. What the h-ll is going on?”

    Same thing as elsewhere in the nation. Suburban voters voting anti-Trump. Also a lot of Asian and Latino voters, who often vote Republican, are voting for Democrats — particularly in the Central Valley. Asian voters in Orange County often vote Republican.

    A lot of the Republicans losing in Orange County have served for a long time, and are viewed as out-of-touch. In the future younger candidates need to run, from various demographic groups.

    In the City of San Diego two Republican city council members lost. It was not so much Trump as the feeling they were in office too long and steeped in cronyism. I am not unhappy they lost.

    A lot of voters like me are registered non-party. In California the Republican Party is tired, has no real leaderships, and riddled with crony capitalism. Frankly maybe this election will be the wake-up. call its needs to clear out the deadwood.

  338. Will says:

    Was Broward late intentionally?

    Original numbers more favorable to Nelson and Gillum….

  339. Phil says:

    351

    Of course. It’s Broward. What do you think?

    Won’t matter. This one is over. See ya, Nelson.

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Nate Silver’s retweet hit the nail on the head:

    @NateSilver538 v
    Nate Silver Retweeted Sam Stein

    “There’s a long history of the president’s party (1a) doing badly at the midterm but (1b) then the president recovering to win a second term. But (2) usually the president at least makes some pretense of tacking to the center post-midterm. Does (1b) still happen if (2) doesn’t?”

  341. Will says:

    Phil

    Was a rhetorical question……

  342. phoenixrisen says:

    Congrats marc! What an honor! Hope it is fun though I imagine will be quite hectic at times 😉

  343. Bitterlaw says:

    Marc is transitioning? Should we call him Marcia?

    Oh. Transition team.

    Congratulations.

  344. Marco Rubio says:

    Thank you for your thupport!

  345. Bitterlaw says:

    Thread killer.

  346. NYCmike says:

    November storm here in the NYC metro area today – have vehicles on the road since 6AM this morning, not one of them has returned yet…….I wonder if they will blame Chris Christie for the delays.

    (started writing this at 11PM. we have several trucks back now, not all of them. ABSOLUTE MAYHEM)

  347. Bitterlaw says:

    Hope all your drivers returned safely. Pandemonium here because of snow that did not change over to rain as quickly as expected.

  348. Bitterlaw says:

    I will never own a sedan. My Jeep did its job.

  349. NYCmike says:

    If we had Republican mayors and governors right now, the traffic jams we experienced today would ruin political careers!

    What an absolute sh*tshow! No plows, no salt spreaders. Allowed city/state workers to leave early instead of getting emergency crews called in, and the extra people on road at 2PM, at the height of storm, caused havoc, instead of getting them home early BEFORE the weather intensified.

  350. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw, still waiting for one…..left JFK airport at 5PM!!! That is a distance of about 40 miles!

  351. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Good luck. People in my office fled st noon. I stayed until 5:00 because I knew the roads would be packed with people leaving early. I was right. It took 1 1/2 hours instead of 30 minutes to get home but it might have takes 4 hours if I left early.

  352. Messy says:

    359. We had a blizzard overnight (I live in Manhattan so I just took the subway home and hunkered down in front of the telly), and Christie’s blockage scandal was in perfect weather.

  353. marc says:

    Recount Update:
    The manual recounts are about to started around the Jacksonville area. Duval, Clay, and St Johns are all started at 9:00 AM. Nassau County is starting at 1:00 PM.

    Other Florida:

    Many other counties are startedat 9 as well, with some exceptions. Broward County started earlier this morning. Palm Beach at 11 am. One big exception is Lee County. There, the ballots with undervotes were apparently tabulated, but not sorted out as they should have been during the machine recount. Because of that, they are not starting the manual recount until tomorrow. Tentatively scheduled start time of 3:00 PM.

    Overall calling republicans watchers around the state things have begun smoothly.

  354. marc says:

    I’m hearing that’s a Broward is almost finish with its Senate recount. No change from the machine recount. Trying to confirm…

  355. Cash Cow TM says:

    HONK!

    In Wisc.
    Not snowing yet.

    Back home in WV it was snow bedlam…
    ******************************************
    We woke up yesterday to about 3 inches in central Illinois.
    But we soon outran the snow.

  356. marc says:

    Well kiss me and call me Sally

    Breaking News: Broward County just finished its hand recount in the Senate race. Waaaaay ahead of schedule, the county attorney just announced. First county in the state to finish Sneate recount. Should be done with Ag Com race in the next hour or so.

  357. Robbie says:

    I don’t know about you, but I’m getting tired of all of this winning. (A Trump appointed judge made this ruling)

    The Associated Press
    @AP

    Judge: White House must immediately return press credentials of CNN’s Jim Acosta .

  358. Phil says:

    Oh goodie. Now we can hear more lectures from all knowing Jim Acosta during press briefings.

    American was crying out for more Jim. Democracy is now saved.

    zzzzzzz

  359. NYCmike says:

    When Acosta takes a vacation, does CNN send a different reporter?

    And this is what Robbie is worried about……

  360. Victrc says:

    There was no ruling in the Acosta case at all. The judge granted a temporary restraining order in the case, allowing Acosta back while the case is being heard.

    I just don’t see how Acosta has a case. There is no constitutional right that mandates someone be allowed to attend a White House organized press briefing.

    While I agree Trump is uncouth and a hothead, Acosta is an entitled boorish child who believes that the President serves at his will.

  361. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 16, 2018 at 11:07 am
    When Acosta takes a vacation, does CNN send a different reporter?
    And this is what Robbie is worried about……

    – I’m worried about renominating a buffoonish oaf who just led the party to its worst showing in the House since 1974. You, on the other hand, were optimistic about Republican chances last week because I was pessimistic. Which is worse?

  362. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    November 16, 2018 at 11:26 am
    There was no ruling in the Acosta case at all. The judge granted a temporary restraining order in the case, allowing Acosta back while the case is being heard.
    I just don’t see how Acosta has a case.

    – Accept the judge said CNN had shown they had a good chance of winning the overall case and that’s why the judge granted a temporary restraining order.

  363. janz says:

    Suggestions have been made to not televise press conferences, and/or shut down a conference when a media representative becomes too unruly or rude. I think these are excellent routes to take in order to better manage press relations with the WH.

    Futhermore, IMO, it’s fools gold to speculate Trump’s reelection viability for 2020. For one thing, Trump’s core voter base is pretty unshakable. Also, it remains to be seen how idiotic or chaotic the dem House majority will really be the next 2 years, turning moderate voter stomachs enough for them to turn back to the R’s for a reprieve from oppositional insanity.

  364. Phil says:

    Given Acosta’s boorish behavior I want him in the press room. The more Acosta the better. He’s a self important egotistical ass. He doesn’t help CNN’s image…..and their image could use some help – a lot of it.

  365. Marv says:

    The judge did not rule that Acosta had a First Amendment right to a press pass. The judge ruled that Acosta was denied a pass press is the absence of clearly written procedure for such denial.

    The White House has responded by saying that procedures for press denial and related matters will be written.

  366. NYCmike says:

    “– I’m worried about renominating a buffoonish oaf who just led the party to its worst showing in the House since 1974. You, on the other hand, were optimistic about Republican chances last week because I was pessimistic. Which is worse?”

    -More worried about him than allowing a socialist/marxist/statist to be elected President?

    BUT, OF COURSE, you don’t want the Democrat to win……

  367. dblaikie says:

    You have to love the hypocrisy. How many times have we heard the likes of Gillam and Nelson yell
    “count every vote.” But when it turns out that Scot and De Santis are not going to get the additional 100’s of votes which were found in the Palm Beach and Broward recount, because they were two minutes late, they are strangely silent. I guess we only need to count every Dem. vote.

  368. dblaikie says:

    It was a good ruling. All the White House needs to do is to establish acceptable rules of behavior and make them known. Personally I feel the press has acted like a bunch of jerks for years (not just Trump). But it has reached a fevered pitch. It is high time to do things in the WH Press Room, ,in the words of the Presbyterian Book of Order: “decently and in order.”

  369. marc says:

    You guys are giving Acosta everything he wants, he adores all this attention and being the subject of discussion.

  370. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “– I’m worried about renominating a buffoonish oaf who just led the party to its worst showing in the House since 1974. You, on the other hand, were optimistic about Republican chances last week because I was pessimistic. Which is worse?”

    During Trump’s first year of office, Robbie was predicting Trump we be forced out of office by the Mueller probe and Trump’s other wrong doings. Now he is worried he will be renominated. How the tune has changed.

  371. gameboy says:

    Must be a slow political day with all of the Acosta talk. Who gives a $@*t about that loon…. What is going on in Georgia?? I hear that Abrams has hired 3 dozen lawyers. The other guy is well above the margin of fraud line, as well as the run off line. Those results should be done and certified by now.

  372. Robbie says:

    I remember a month or so ago after Nikki Haley announced she was leaving her post at the UN I suggested Trump might dump Pence for someone like Nikki Haley and Jason fraud, a true Trump dead neder these days, scoffed at the idea.

    Well…

    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1

    Trump has been asking aides and advisers whether they think Mike Pence is loyal, NYT reports.

    Trump has repeated the question so much he has alarmed advisers. Trump has openly suggested dropping Pence from the 2020 ticket and picking another running mate.

    https://t.co/GPjD5tshwf

  373. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 16, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    “– I’m worried about renominating a buffoonish oaf who just led the party to its worst showing in the House since 1974. You, on the other hand, were optimistic about Republican chances last week because I was pessimistic. Which is worse?”
    -More worried about him than allowing a socialist/marxist/statist to be elected President?
    BUT, OF COURSE, you don’t want the Democrat to win……

    – What has always amazed me is you just don’t get it and you never have. Trump is bad news and has been so since from day 1. He just led the party to its worst electoral showing in the House since 1974. And yet all you can muster is “but muh socialist/arxist/statist” flimflam. If that garbage you and others have been puking up the last few days mattered, then why did Democrats romp over Republicans last week? If saying “socialist” or “Marxist” mattered one bit to voters, why didn’t it matter last week?

  374. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 16, 2018 at 1:40 pm
    During Trump’s first year of office, Robbie was predicting Trump we be forced out of office by the Mueller probe and Trump’s other wrong doings. Now he is worried he will be renominated. How the tune has changed.

    – And SDC is back to lying. I never said the Mueller probe would force Trump from office. I certainly hoped Trump would be forced from office, though, and I won’t apologize for that. I think his presidency has been an embarrassment for the United States and I think it’s going to take a long time for Republicans to get the stench of Trump off them. In fact, I hope Trump wakes up tomorrow, decides he’s had enough, and quits.

    What I did say about the Mueller probe is I don’t believe there’s any evidence or reason to believe Trump personally conspired with Russians to affect the 2016 election. I do believe, however, more than a few around Trump did purposefully conspire with bad actors to affect the election (Paul Manafort and Roger Stone for instance). I also believe Trump has attempted to impede the Mueller investigation, but I’ve always made clear I don’t know whether his actions have constituted obstruction of justice.

    Unlike many here sadly, I strongly believed if Trump was president on election day 2018 it would lead to an awful election for Republicans and I was correct. Job approval is the best predictor of a president’s party’s performance and it indicted a big loss for a long time. And if Trump is the Republican nominee in 2020 with this same approval rating, it will almost certainly lead to a repeat of what we saw last week. This time, though, we’ll lose the presidency and a chance to change the Supreme Court even more.

    But tell me more about how accurate Rasmussen polls are.

  375. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sean Trende had an excellent summary of whether the election results were a wave:

    “Once again, this isn’t a bad showing. But it is closest in magnitude to 1962 and 1950, and doesn’t come close the legislative bloodbaths that characterized years like 1974, 2010, 1966 and 1958.
    If there had been disappointing showings in one category it wouldn’t be the end of the world for Democrats; they had tepid showings in governorships in wave years like 1974 and 1958. But by most metrics, this election was near the middle of the pack or worse.
    The one outlier for Democrats is the House, and it is worth asking why they shone here while falling short elsewhere. In fact, I think this disparity is the central question of this cycle. The best explanation I have come up with is that money does matter at the margins, and in this cycle the Democrats’ enormous fundraising advantage – as well as the late dose of money from Michael Bloomberg in key races – really did make a difference in close races. Of course, we have no way of knowing for sure. But overall, outside of the House, this election simply doesn’t look much like previous wave elections.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/11/16/so_was_it_a_wave_138677.html

  376. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    On whether Trump should replace Pence as his running mate. Only if Mia Love is chosen to replace him.

  377. Scooterboy says:

    I admit that I have no clue what the rules are concerning press conferences or daily briefings. My question is, why call on him? Acosta may have a right to be there, but can’t the WH decide who gets to ask questions?

  378. marc says:

    Let’s just state what we all know.

    Projection US Senate: Florida

    Rick Scott ? defeats Bill Nelson.

    Fiorida will have to GOP Senators with Marco Rubio serving has senior Senator.

  379. marc says:

    the question mark suppose to be a check mark

  380. George says:

    BREAKING: Democrat Stacey Abrams says she can’t win Georgia governor race, effectively ends challenge to Republican Brian Kemp.

    AP Posted at 5:18 pm on November 16, 2018

    Finally.

  381. Tina says:

    He has no right to be there. Nobody there does. They are invited guests and can not Acostad an intern, like the cn and n hack did.

    The wh sets up conduct.

    The sc has no cameras. why? Who gave them that right? Presumably, reporters have that right to be there.

    Keep cn and n in back and do not call on him.

  382. phoenixrisen says:

    Cool. Looks like these races are over. Now we get to sit back and munch on some popcorn as Pelosi struggles to get her caucus to vote her as Speaker.

  383. Frank says:

    Friends,

    Mia Love has taken the lead:

    129,006
    128,587

    +419

    Frank

  384. Bitterlaw says:

    I will now argue both sides of the Acosta case:

    Pro-Acosta: Freedom of the press is chilled if the President can deny access to a reporter for no stated reason. The press will become a rubber stamp just to keep access.

    Anti-Acosta: The First Amendment protects freedom of the press but not for one specific reporter. CNN was not denied access even when Acosta’s press pass was revoked.

    Solution – Just write specific guidelines on press conduct and remove those who violate it.

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    CD

  386. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Democratic clown show is now going into full gear. Here is a Democratic congressman talking about nuking gun owners:

    @RepSwalwell
    She’s not lying. We should ban assault weapons by buying them back or restricting them to ranges/clubs. #EnoughIsEnough

    @DLoesch
    High ranking Democrat Eric Swalwell calls for confiscation of semi-automatic rifles using $15billion of taxpayer dollars to do it and proposes criminally prosecuting those who don’t participate: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/dem-congressman-force-gun-owners-sell-assault-weapons-n871066 … #2A

    @Rambobiggs So basically @RepSwalwell wants a war. Because that’s what you would get.

    @RepSwalwell
    And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.

    @Rambobiggs
    So our government would nuke its own country in order to take guns? Wow

    Doubt the congressman realizes the military might not agree to his strategy.

  387. Tina says:

    Swallowell is an idiot.

    The drat House off Clownshows will be epic.

  388. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @realDonaldTrump
    Donald J. Trump Retweeted Jerry Brown
    Thank you @JerryBrownGov. Look forward to joining you and @GavinNewsom tomorrow in California. We are with you!

    @JerryBrownGov
    Tomorrow @GavinNewsom and I will join @POTUS during his visit to the state. Now is a time to pull together for the people of California.

    Soon Trump and Bernie will be conferring about Chinese tariffs.

  389. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    403. It has been a little over a week since the election, and already the political dynamics are changing. Its a bit premature to predict the outcome of 2020.

  390. Bitterlaw says:

    Pretty embarrassing how much mayhem was caused by yesterday’s snowstorm in PA, NJ, and New York. Otherwise normal people acted like Southerners over a few inches of snow.

    Hi, Wes.

  391. ReadyFirst says:

    404. SDC. Ditto.

  392. ReadyFirst says:

    I’m Looking forward to Gillums second consolation speech.

  393. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is the status of the following Counties in Florida with respect to the hand recount for the Senate race according to the below article from the Tampa Bay Times and a just-released Washington Post article:
    Pinellas and Hillsborough- net 135 to Nelson(D) collectively for the two Counties

    Miami-Dade- net 181 to Nelson
    Bay – net 5 to Nelson

    The aforementioned are 100% completed.

    Broward- no exact numbers, but Counters claim little movement

    https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/11/16/bill-nelson-adds-some-votes-but-not-many-in-drama-free-manual-recounts-across-tampa-bay/

  394. Bitterlaw says:

    Lafayette plays Lehigh in football for the154th time since 1884. Walt says the first game was a real thriller (but the game summary did not make it to West Virginia until August 1885). Go Lafayette!

  395. Wes says:

    It’s finally over. Scott has defeated Nelson:

    https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/11/16/nelson-has-no-path-democrats-admit-scott-beats-florida-icon-702880

    Interestingly Nelson is the only member of the Dem 2000 Senate class to have lost reelection. His loss solidifies Florida as a GOP stronghold.

  396. Wes says:

    Fate of Dem Senators elected in 2000:

    1) Jean Carnahan-defeated in 2002. I guess she would technically be the first one to lose reelection since although she didn’t personally appear on the ballot Dems made her the de facto nominee replacing her dead husband.

    2) Jon Corzine-successfully ran for Governor in 2005 and subsequently resigned from the Senate; defeated for re-election to the latter post in 2009.

    3) Mark Dayton-wisely retired in 2006 after closing his Senate office during a minor scare.

    4) Hillary Clinton-resigned in 2009 after the first of two I’ll-fated runs for President to become Secretary of State.

    5) Ben Nelson-wisely retired in 2012 after Nebraskans soured on him after the so-called “Cornhusker Kickback,” in which he sold his state out for Obamacare.

    6) Bill Nelson-defeated by Rick Scott in 2018.

    7) Tom Carper-re-elected in 2018 despite his record as an abusive husband.

    8) María Cantwell-re-elected in 2018 against token opposition.

    9) Debbie Stabenow-re-elected by a reduced margin in 2018 against an opponent who gained traction late against her.

    Honorable Mention: Zell Miller-appointed after the death of Paul Coverdell and subsequently elected to complete the term; retired in 2004 and effectively switched parties afterward.

  397. Wes says:

    And just for the hell of it, the fates of Dem Senators elected in 2006 and 2012:

    (2006)

    1) Jim Webb-retired in 2012 after being a non entity for his entire Senate run.

    2) Claire McCaskill-defeated for reelection in 2018.

    3) Ben Cardin-re-elected in most recent election.

    4) Sheldon Whitehouse-re-elected in 2018 despite making a fool of himself during the Kavanaugh hearings.

    5) Bob Casey-re-elected against a hapless opponent in 2018.

    6) Sherrod Brown-re-elected by an unimpressive margin against an opponent who scarcely campaigned.

    7) Jon Tester-re-elected by another narrow margin in 2018.

    Honorable Mention: Bob Menendez-after being appointed to replace Jon Corzine, winning all subsequent elections despite rampant corruption and allegations of sexual encounters with underage girls forced into sexual slavery.

    (2012)

    1) Heidi Heitkamp-defeated decisively after a mistake-riddles re-election bid.

    2) Joe Donnelly-defeated in an upset after falling behind once he announced his attempt to vote against Kavanaugh.

    3) Elizabeth Warren-easily re-elected.

    4) Tammy Baldwin-re-elected comfortably in the wake of a divisive GOP Senate primary and Walker fatigue.

    5) Tim Kaine-re-elected by a surprisingly closer than expected (though still comfortable) margin after Republicans nominated a Confederate apologist to challenge him.

    Honorable Mention: Joe Manchin-although technically part of the 2010 class, re-elected narrowly in 2018 after coming out in favor of Kavanaugh.

  398. Wes says:

    It’s looking as if Mia Love will hang on in UT-4 after the Donald went out of his way to highlight her supposed loss.

    I realize Trump has his entirely uncritical fanboys such as BayernFan on here who jerk off to literally anything he does no matter how moronic or boorish. Attacking a Congresswoman now appearing likely to win reelection was just stupid though. That was a microcosm of the kind of thoughtless antics Trump has made his trademark that, if left I corrected, will cost him reelection in two years.

  399. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #408
    Add: Indian River- Nelson(D) nets 9; St. Lucie-Nelson nets 11 and Martin- Nelson nets 2.

    All now 100% completed.

  400. Phil says:

    ……and Scott netted 800 yesterday in Broward in the machine count which of course is why they made sure to submit the total two minutes AFTER the deadline so it wouldn’t count.

    Don’t you just love Broward?

    Makes Cook County look like a bastion of legitimacy and ethics.

  401. Janz says:

    I didn’t know about that net gain for Scott. Sigh, the Dems just get worse in their display of ethical behavior and/or sense of fair play.

  402. Tina says:

    Not a great election night for us, A split decision.

    We still got Florida, Indiana, and Missouri locked up. Critical states since the Obumblet won at least one of those states in 2008 and 2012.

  403. Tina says:

    But Browhard will need to count them in the hand count, right?

  404. Phil says:

    Tina. No. I think they just looked at the over and under votes in the hand count.

    Just under 800 machine count votes Scott will never see.

    Good thing the statewide spread was over 12K votes. What a pathetic display.

    Broward didn’t even attempt to be subtle.

  405. DW says:

    Link at Drudge:

    “California Republicans look for way forward after stunning losses…”

    Its called GET OUT. If every last Republican left California for Nevada or Colorado, then those two states would flip red.

  406. Tina says:

    Thanks Phil.

    Yeah, sucks in Ca. I cannot go outside due to the smoke from the fire in Paradise. The air quality is purple, very unhealthy,

    I have an air purifier going and a nebulizer for me, just in case.

  407. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    2m
    Replying to @realDonaldTrump
    ….I can’t imagine any President having a better or closer relationship with their Vice President then the two of us. Just more FAKE NEWS, the Enemy of the People!
    View conversation ·
    Donald J. Trump Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    2m
    The New York Times did a phony story, as usual, about my relationship with @VP Mike Pence. They made up sources and refused to ask me, the only one that would know, for a quote….
    View details ·

    And the Jebot fell for the pence story, like an idiot.

  408. Paul says:

    Mia Love has pulled ahead. Thanks to Trump for the kind words.

  409. Wes says:

    And then there were two…

    Florida was one of three states post 17th Amendment never to have two Republicans represent it simultaneously. Now that Nelson has lost, Montana and Hawaii alone share that distinction, though Montana had a GOP duo in the Senate shortly before ratification of the 17th Amendment.

    Hawaii has never had two GOP Senators simultaneously at all, having only elected Hiram Fong as a Republican Senator between 1959 and 1970. On the GOP side, Kansas, despite having three Dems represent it in the Senate between 1893 and 1939, has never had two serving together.

  410. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    420. “Its called GET OUT. If every last Republican left California for Nevada or Colorado, then those two states would flip red.”

    The problem is Californians are used to a level of services and government-supported infrastructure that requires high taxes. When they relocate, they start squawking for the same in their new state. California businesses that relocate praise their lower tax rates, then begin demanding all sorts of new government spending on infrastructure and special benefits for them.

    Have seen it all the time in Utah. The term “cannot afford it” is foreign to the California mind. The idea of fiscal prudence does not exist in California. The Republican Party in California is a special interest group focused on obtaining government funds and subsidies for its political base– crony capitalism at its worse. When they relocate to another state, they look upon fiscal prudence as a quaint relic of the past adhered to by a bunch of rustics.

  411. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    422. The “journalists” who work for the New York Times are skillful at making up fairy tales.

    Remember when they attacked Marco Rubio for being a profligate spender for paying off his student loan and buying a small boat.

  412. Paul says:

    Even if one is quarter-californian, the person has already been tainted by the ideas of government helping everyone. The only solution is to move anyone with a quarter-californian or more to Hawaii.

  413. Tina says:

    I fall for all of the ny time fairy tales.

    -Jebot.

  414. Paul says:

    For starters, I DO NOT buy the liberal talking point that we are just like the Weimer Republic of 1932.

    However, I’ve become very intrigued with how a relatively normal democratic republic can end up down the Nazi path.

    I’ve appreciated the two-part series “Hitler: Rise of Evil” (2003). I think that gives a good portrayal of Hitler and Germany after WW1 and in the 1920s.

    I’ve also recently watched “Conspiracy” (2001) about the Wannsee conference. It is interesting how even then these “lawyers” hung onto the pretense of legal authority for these atrocious actions.

    Anyone else have occasional WW1 obsessions.

  415. Paul says:

    WWII (I meant.)

  416. Bitterlaw says:

    I find the Trump is like Hitler comparison offensive to the victims of the Holocaust. Liberals will “But Bitter. What about the synagogue shooting?” Where were they when Jews were murdered in Paris. Why wasn’t France on the path to becoming Nazi Germany then by that logic?”

  417. Paul says:

    I agree with you, Bitter. That is why I premised my post that way. But, from a non-partisan viewpoint, I find the period right before 1932 interesting to figure out where things went awry.

    Any cloudy comparisons may be just as (or more) relevant when a Democrat gets in power and has the reins of an expanding Presidency. Either way, it is unlikely for our Republic to falter but I find it helpful to understand where other Democracy did collapse.

  418. Marv says:

    Final Score:

    Army 28
    Colgate 14

  419. Bitterlaw says:

    Lafayette lost 34-3. It was not really that close.

  420. Marv says:

    #435 Bitterlaw,

    President Trump is being a true gentleman and escorting the lady to her seat.

    (He’s also irritating the heck out of her and her allies.)

  421. DW says:

    425 – so you are saying all TRUE Republicans have already left California?

  422. Ameister says:

    Gillum conceded. As of 4 pm Broward is missing 2040
    Ballots.

  423. Tina says:

    We want Piglosi as House Speaker.

    It will be epic.

    Trump won’t take her sheot.

    Bush took her sheot.

  424. mnw says:

    Any day that Scott wins & Abrams concedes* is a great day!

    Hopefully Scott winning means that one lone “courageous bipartisan hero who put country before party” won’t be able to sink any of Trump’s SCOTUS nominees for the next 2 years.

    *admits she can’t win, actually. Same thing as conceding, only without any class at all.

  425. Marv says:

    Final Score:

    Navy 37
    Tulsa 29

  426. Tgca says:

    *crickets*

  427. Victrc says:

    Lol. Lots of crickets TGCA

    It is interesting, the Abrams and Gillum runs in Fl and GA. The NY Times ran an article that said, as expected 5$/5 they are the future, rural America is dead, blah blah blah.

    So the question is was their run just a result of an odd year, are Georgia and Florida really on the cusp of electing Socialists.

    I still neither state really looked at anything beyond the identity politics they represented and played, thoughts?

  428. Marv says:

    Victrc,

    Abrams and Gillam appear to be mid-term election one hit wonders who got as far as they did primarily because of virtue signaling moderate white voters.

    I don’t expect that we will hear much from Gillam anymore, but Abrams will probably run against Senator Perdue in 2020. I don’t expect her to much luck there either.

  429. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    427. “Even if one is quarter-californian, the person has already been tainted by the ideas of government helping everyone.”

    Oh your so right Paul, and California helps people so well that it has the highest poverty rate in the U.S. Despite having some of the highest taxes.

    “California, adjusted for costs, has the overall highest poverty rate in the country, according to the United States Census Bureau. A recent United Way study showed that close to one in three of the state’s families are barely able to pay their bills. Overall, 8 million Californians live in poverty, including 2 million children, a number that according to a recent report, has risen since the Great Recession, despite the boom.

    California’s poverty, and the loss of a middle class, is most profoundly felt in the interior counties. California, according to the American community survey, is home to a remarkable 77 of the country’s 297 most “economically challenged ” cities, utilizing a scoring of poverty and employment data by the National Resource Network. Los Angeles, by far the state’s largest metropolitan area, has among the highest poverty rate of largest U.S. metros.”

    Has it ever occurred you Paul that maybe if the government lowered taxes and stopped over regulating, that people would be able to help themselves. For some reason socialism just never seems to work.

  430. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    “NEWS: The Florida Secretary of State’s office has decided to accept Broward County’s machine recount results, which were turned in 2 minutes late and showed Rick Scott 700 votes ahead.”-Miami Herald

  431. Bitterlaw says:

    So the Dems could not steal Florida and Georgia?

    Phil hardest hit.

  432. Bitterlaw says:

    Wake up.

    Here are some conversation starters:

    If Daily KOS and Wes had their wish come true and Gore had won in 2000, he would have been re-elected in 2004. Obama? Who? 2008 would have been an exciting contest between McCain and either Lieberman or Hillary Clinton.

    Walt is sol old…..

    Super Bowl prediction – Chiefs defeat Saints 35-30. Jason hardest hit.

  433. Messy says:

    Four Fifty. Ta daaaaaaaaa!….

  434. Messy says:

    449. So? Had Gore had gotten his election acknowledged (or better yet, no butterfly ballot and thus winning Florida by ten thousand votes or so), There wouldn’t have been a 9/11 (Bush, Cheney and company refused to listen to the Clinton administration’s warnings on Al Qaeda and thus the terrorists were never arrested), so no 16 years of wars, no housing scam which caused an international financial crash, real progress against climate change and no Trump in the White House. That vs. no Obama? I could live with that….

  435. Tina says:

    Where are the 2000 missing Broward Ballots.

    Voter Fraud says they are in the building somewhere.

    Will they be “found” by the next election?

  436. Messy says:

    439. Nancy would INDEED be epic. We would get all sorts of great things starting with the Voting Rights act of 2019, an infrastructure bill, exposure of massive corruption in the administration (plus impeachment hearings) and so on and so forth.

  437. Messy says:

    452 “Voter Fraud says they are in the building somewhere.”

    As there was NO voter fraud, it can’t say anything.

  438. Messy says:

    448. Not “could not” but “did not.” There was no attempt to steal anything. NONE.

  439. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron, when did Snipes become a Republican?

  440. Wes says:

    448. Not “could not” but “did not.” There was no attempt to steal anything. NONE—after Florida election officials began watching what Broward County was doing.

    There. I fixed it for you, Messy the Moron.

  441. Tina says:

    Messy lsd.

    Voter Fraud = Snipes.

    Pretty clear who I was referring to.

    I hope she is indicted really soon and perp walked.

  442. Tina says:

    Voter Fraud also appears to be blaming “racism” for the “missing ballots.”

  443. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    From ABC News:
    “But with hand recounting complete in Broward on Friday, Scott’s campaign said this weekend that it had obtained results through public-records request, and Broward’s recounting had netted Nelson fewer than 300 votes against his opponent”

    Messy–can you say, Senator Scott(R-FL)?!

    It is interesting,but not surprising that the national news bureaus and Florida media have lost interest in the Florida recount after the machine recount disappointed them by not finding a 20,000 ballot error in favor of the Democrat candidates?
    If the shoe were on the other foot, we would be inundated with updates every ten minutes!

  444. jason says:

    here wouldn’t have been a 9/11 (Bush, Cheney and company refused to listen to the Clinton administration’s warnings on Al Qaeda and thus the terrorists were never arrested)”

    LOL

    9/11 was completely planned during Clinton’s presidency, who could have killed Bin Laden many times but didn’t do anything.

    Bill Clinton was 100% responsible for 9/11, and of course it would have happened will Al Gore as President too. The only difference is Al Gore would have named a committee to issue a recommendation on what to do about Bin Laden and the Taliban while about a dozen other 9/11’s were happening.

  445. jason says:

    I should say Bill Clinton was 100% responsible for not stopping 9/11. He was the one that had the opportunities.

  446. Wes says:

    9/11 took place on 9-11-01. Bill Clinton left office on 1-20-01. It is pure fanboyish sophistry and revisionist history to say Bill Clinton was 100% responsible for a terrorist attack that occurred eight months after he left office.

    It makes about as much sense as blaming Coolidge for the 1929 stock market crash or Eisenhower for Bay of Pigs.

  447. Tgca says:

    Now that FL drama is ovah, folks are calling for investigations and jail time especially for Snipes. I totally agree! No one with that hair should be allowed to roam the streets free. I felt the same about Einstein and Carrot Top. It’s just too scary.

  448. Tgca says:

    Uh oh. I feel a Bush bashing coming. Imagine that.

  449. Tgca says:

    Hey Jadon

    I’m on my way to Whole Foods in a few. You want me to pick you up some tofu scrambled eggs and tofu bacon from the breakfast bar?

  450. Wes says:

    Clinton does share blame for not killing bin Laden , but GWB was President when 9/11 happened and was more concerned about some bizarre EO dealing with stem cells rather than foreign policy in the month before the attack.

  451. Tgca says:

    It’s totally Bush fault that some of the hijackers arrived in 2000 and had visas approved in 2000 after applying in 1999. Bush should have made his 1st priority as POTUS to review all visas and entries into the US since 1999. He should have told all his intelligence agencies what the real risks were since they did not have it on their radar. Instead of getting ready for inauguration events, he should have been at the airport to turn back one terrorist entered on Jan 15, 2000.

  452. Wes says:

    Harry Truman, 1948:

    The buck stops here.

    Bush and his fanboys, 2001-2018:

    The buck stops with Bill Clinton.

    I find it amazing how the Bush Bitchboys adopt the EXACT SAME brainwashed approach to GWB as Obamabots do to Obama:

    Everything good that happened on his watch was 100% because of him. Everything bad was 100% because of his predecessor.

    Ay Dios Mio…

  453. Tgca says:

    I’m not actually a Bush fanboy. Grandpa Groper Bush was not my ideal POTUS. Jeb was a good Governor then got all girly and whiny and spineless when he left office and ridiculed in 2016 by Marco, Trump, and nearly every other GOPer. GWB was the greatest GOP POTUS since Reagan and before Trump. That’s my view.

  454. Wes says:

    Given the context, Tg, I can’t tell if you’re being playful or moronic with your contradictory post in 470.

  455. jason says:

    The moment I knew DeSantis had won. I didn’t actually need to see the vote totals or the recount.
    Poor bastard is ALWAYS wrong. The kiss of death for any Democrat.

    Just Fill Out The Census says:
    November 6, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    Hillary was NEVER his far ahead in FL on election night in 2016! It’s OVER FOR DEMENTUS!!!”

  456. jason says:

    GWB was the greatest GOP POTUS since Reagan and before Trump. That’s my view.”

    Mine too. But I think he was better than some before Reagan too.

  457. Wes says:

    When people have standards low enough to say GWB was a great President it becomes apparent any of their opinions on politics are worthless.

  458. Wes says:

    Presidents of my lifetime in order from greatest to worst:

    1) Reagan

    2) Clinton
    3) GHWB (just by default)
    4) Carter
    5) (tie) Barack Obama/George W. Bush

    I refuse to evaluate Trump yet, but he’ll probably be somewhere in the middle when I do.

  459. Marv says:

    1-Washington (no question about it)
    2-Lincoln (saved the Union)
    3-Reagan (saved America)
    4-T. Roosevelt (immigration policy)
    5-Trump (great policies, needs work on comm skills)
    6-Eisenhower (I don’t have a have a reason other than “I like Ike”)

  460. Bitterlaw says:

    I am sure that Wes’ admiration for Bill Clinton has nothing to do with the fact that he and Bill are both amoral predators of women. However, Wes is not a rapist.

  461. Marv says:

    Bitterlaw,

    How goes it for you today?

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    I would like to hear Walt’s list of greatest leaders of his lifetime. Would he rank a T-Rex above Moses? How does Julius Caesar compare to Alexander the Great?

  463. Wes says:

    I didn’t realize you were old enough to remember when Washington was President, Marv.

  464. Marv says:

    Wes,

    Good one……I just thought I’d go with my all-time favorites.

    In my lifetime:

    1-Reagan
    2-Trump ( work in progress)
    3-Ike
    4-HST

  465. Wes says:

    Clinton revitalized the GOP even more so than Reagan, adopted a host of conservative positions after Republicans took Congress to help the country along, won a war with minimal casualties, signed welfare reform, signed the Roth IRA into law, and survived impeachment by a lecher named Newt Gingrich.

    What’s not to like?

  466. Marv says:

    Wes,

    I don’t dislike Clinton, but I just can’t put him ahead of any GOP President who served during my lifetime, even Nixon.
    In retrospect, Watergate was a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing but partisan bickering gone wrong.

  467. Wes says:

    You can’t even put him ahead of the incompetent, jingoistic liar who cynically manipulated national emotions after 9/11 to build support for an utterly unnecessary war against a previously defeated country and let terrorists slaughter thousands at will for years?

    Wow!

  468. Tina says:

    I like Ike too, Marv.

    Good choice.

  469. Marv says:

    Wes,

    I have a low opinion of both Bushes, and actually they didn’t even enter my thought process. So, yes, I would put Clinton ahead of both Bushes as being a more effective President.

    Bush 41 undermined the Reagan presidency and Bush 43 got wrapped around the axle with the Iraq War decision.

  470. Tina says:

    Well, so far better air quality.m the last two days were horrible.

  471. Wes says:

    Good to hear, Marv.

  472. Marv says:

    Tina,

    WTF happened to the GOP down in So Cal?

  473. Marv says:

    Wes,

    I need a little back up on the Ike question, Tina already weighed in on my side. You with me on that?

  474. Tina says:

    Destroyed Marv.

    Mail ins did the top in, and perhaps a too early call by Faux News.

  475. Marv says:

    Tina,

    Well, the US Navy rebuilt itself after Pearl Harbor, I suppose the GOP can eventually rebuild itself in CA.

  476. Wes says:

    I think Ike was an average President, Marv. He wasn’t particularly good. He wasn’t particularly bad. He was just…there.

    He did nothing to help congressional Republicans win anything and started them on four decades in the minority, so that may color my view of him. In any event, aside from the armistice to end active hostilities in Korea, I can’t think of anything Ike did as President that would make him great.

  477. NO RESULTS FOR U.S. SENATE IN FLORIDA YET?

  478. Marv says:

    Wes,

    Overlord helps my opinion of Ike.

  479. Wes says:

    That works for Ike the General, Marv. I was specifically tailoring my thoughts to Ike the President—whom I consider average and lacking in accomplishments.

  480. Marv says:

    #494 Mike,

    All 67 Fl counties have now forwarded their final count to the FL SOS. Results will be certified Tuesday.

    News outlets here in FL are reporting that Scott will be certified the winner.

  481. #497 – THANKS, MARV!

  482. Tina says:

    What is the Fl margin, , Marv?

  483. lisab says:

    What’s not to like?
    ———————–

    he made perjury by the president acceptable, and rule by personality the model

    leading to both obama and trump

    which

  484. Marv says:

    Wes,

    Ike was effective enough for the times we were in during the 1950’s. His massively effective wartime accomplishments are enough for me rate him in the Top Five.

    (Besides that, Ike played football at West Point, so there’s that.)

  485. Wes says:

    We’re viewing him through different prisms, Marv. I regard his military accomplishments as separate from his presidency. The former I find exemplary. The latter I find lackluster.

  486. marc says:

    It’s Over..

    Final numbers are now in from the Florida Secretary of State.
    Rick Scott has defeated Bill Nelson by a total of 10,033 votes.

  487. Marv says:

    Tina,

    The final numbers haven’t been posted yet, but should be in the vicinity of 13,000.

    The FL SOS has decided to accept the Broward numbers that were submitted 2 minutes late after the machine recount. That netted Scott 779:votes and brought his margin of victory to 13,462 before the hand recount of the under/over votes.

  488. Wes says:

    He lied about letting a fat chick put her head in his crotch, Lisa. Forgive me for not being worked up about that. No one died because of it.

    In contrast, his successor lied about mythological WMDs and did nothing while ISIS along with other terrorist groups murdered thousands.

    I’ll take Clinton any day over GWB.

  489. Marv says:

    marc,

    Thanks for the update.

    What happened to the Broward county machine recount totals?

  490. Tina says:

    The residents of Tijuana do not want the caravan invaders.

    Jebots crushed.

  491. lisab says:

    Forgive me for not being worked up about that. No one died because of it.
    ———————————–

    when the president lies under oath and gets away with it, because it is more important that clinton remain president than be punished for lying

    others take that as precedent

    and that argument continues to be used by the dems to justify their brown shirt tactics and ballot tampering

    “the end justifies the means” is NOT a good policy for the countrys’ leaders

  492. Tina says:

    So, Scott lost 2000 votes if the 10k number is right.

  493. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #506
    Here are the official Florida election resaults for the Senate contest after EVERYTHING has been counted. Rick Scott(R) prevails by 10,033 votes.

    IT’S OVER!!!

    https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/FederalOffices/USSenator

  494. marc says:

    The manual recount actually shifted the margin by 2,570 votes, which is more than twice as many as the previous record recount shift in years according to experts . The fact that FL is a huge state helps, but that’s certainly noticeable and should be looked into

  495. Marv says:

    marc,

    Most of the problem appears to be in Broward and Palm Beach Counties. Different personnel in both counties and new machines in Palm Beach County should go a long way in mitigating the problem.

  496. jason says:

    It’s scary that Scott’s margin fell by another 2500 votes.

    It’s looks like for a Republican to win the MOF has to be at least like 20k votes.

  497. jason says:

    I rank Eisenhower in the lowest 6 of Presidents since 1900. Along with Harding, Obama, Carter, Clinton and Wilson.

  498. jason says:

    “no butterfly ballot and thus winning Florida by ten thousand votes or so),”

    Did Messy just admit Dems are too dumb to vote?

    Okayyy….

  499. jason says:

    So, Scott lost 2000 votes if the 10k number is right.”

    Yep, and on election night his lead was 60k.

    If it was 50k the Dems would have stolen the election.

  500. Albert Hodges says:

    Best Presidents of my lifetime

    1) Trump
    2) Reagan
    3) Nixon
    4) GWB
    5) JFK

    Based on what they did for LIFE, Religious Liberty and working people

  501. marc says:

    2500 didn’t go to Nelson. They were just miss undervote she

  502. Wes says:

    Harding was definitely one of the greatest Presidents of the 20th Century. He cut taxes sharply, rolled back much of the Progressive Era idiocy of the previous 20 years, and rapidly turned a sharp economic downturn into a solid period of growth undone a decade later when Hoover advocated the exact opposite of what Harding had done.

    He did it all without lying about how Austria-Hungary had WMDs and was about to become a threat to US national security, thus triggering an unnecessary war costing hundreds of thousands their lives, too.

  503. Wes says:

    “the end justifies the means” is NOT a good policy for the countrys’ leaders

    It worked for GWB when he decided to work out his daddy issues by lying about Saddam’s mythological WMDs.

  504. Tina says:

    Skeletor to speak in an hour about his Loss to Scott.

  505. lisab says:

    It worked for GWB when he decided to work out his daddy issues by lying about Saddam’s mythological WMDs.
    —————————————

    which is not a good thing

    but more directly, judge kavanaugh’s life was turned upside down because ford lied under oath

    and

    i will bet you the VAST majority of dems knew it was complete bs, but now …

    lying under oath is now justifiable if you can stop the republicans

    ford will not even face charges for it

  506. lisab says:

    and any conservative judge will almost have to be a virgin in a convent in order to be confirmed

    every nominee will have dem women accusers

    had kavanaugh not been such a boy scout, i think collins would have voted against

  507. Tina says:

    The President should not be upsetting Russian stooge, Adam Schitt.

  508. Walt says:

    l) Reagan
    2) [tie]
    Eisenhower, Alexander the Great, Teddy Roosevelt
    3) Julius Caesar
    4) Genghis Khan
    5) Nero (if you don’t count Rome burning…)

    Tied for worst:
    Caligula, LBJ, Obama, Thor the Neanderthal

  509. jason says:

    “Citing a league source, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported on Sunday morning that the Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a lifelong football fan, for their head coach opening”

    Well, she IS smarter than Andy Reid.

  510. marc says:

    18 years and not one thing he could point to has his a major accomplishment or legacy. A backbencher his entire career. Thankfully Florida will now have two Republicans strong voices to be heard in the Senate, one on foreign policy and another on economic and healthcare policy.

    Also the Senate will have two Scott’s on the roster. Scott of South Carolina and Scott of Florida

  511. Wes says:

    What Ford tried to do to Kavanaugh was reprehensible. Dems truly have no shame or moral scruples.

  512. jason says:

    lbert Hodges says:
    November 18, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    Best Presidents of my lifetime

    1) Trump
    2) Reagan
    3) Nixon
    4) GWB
    5) JFK

    Verdict is still out on Trump.

    JFK?

    No. He screwed up the Bay of Pigs, a great opportunity to get rid of Castro. He put in his brother as AG, hello?

    JFK was 90% hype, 10% substance.

    My favorite Dem since 1900 was FDR, only for lend lease, nothing else.

  513. jason says:

    Harding was definitely one of the greatest Presidents of the 20th Century.”

    Harding was a complete moron who at least had the decency to admit he should never have been let anywhere close to the Presidency.

  514. jason says:

    Bush never lied about WMD.

    He acted on the best information available, which was his responsibility.

    One of the smartest things he ever said was “trusting in the sanity of Saddam Hussein was not an option”

    And of course wes knows that ever leader in the West, Kerry, Hillary, Ted Kennedy, etc. all believed Saddam had WMD (and of course he did have at some point and did use it against his own people and the Iranians).

    I watched a History Channel program recently that interviewed the intelligence guy who was the US liason with Saddam for months and got to know him really well. Saddam told him he didn’t have WMD, but he was trying to develop them, and that he thought it was in the interest of Iraq to pretend that he had them.

    Since Saddam wouldn’t come clean on WMD and refused meaningful inspections by the UN, Bush did the only thing that a responsible President could do.

    We had the right man at the right time.

  515. Wes says:

    That of course ignores everything Harding accomplished as President.

    Of course I can’t recall any time Harding asked “Is our children learning?” or said, “Our childrens do learn.”

  516. Wes says:

    Look, Jason, I know your homoerotic lust for GWB colors your thinking, but GWB clearly lied about the WMDs to get his pet project of a war—which he failed miserably at—going. That your fine with rationalizing his lies and the fact that hundreds of thousands died at terrorists’ hands because of his stupidity and incompetence says a lot about you—none of it good.

  517. Messy says:

    515. No I didn’t. You just pretended I did to make a swipe. That’s a reflection on YOU, not me.

    531. Is this the same History channel that was sued nearly out of existence by Lady Bird Johnson for airing a documentary stating that her husband murdered JFK…the same History Channel that plays those fraudulent “Ancient Aliens” shows ad nauseum? The same History Channel that just shows “Swamp People” and “Pawn Stars” and almost nothing else?

    522, 528. Ford was telling the Truth, BTW.

    519. Harding became President two years after Austria-Hungary split up.

    525. Genghis Khan was the most evil ruler in the entire second millennium.

  518. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron earns his nickname every day. Now, Messy, I understand this is above your intelligence level, but bear with me:

    I know Austria-Hungary was no longer a country when Harding became President. I was saying Harding didn’t do to a recently defeated country what GWB did to Iraq.

    I am aware you’re too stupid to understand what I just said in my explanation, but there it is.

  519. Walt says:

    “525. Genghis Khan was the most evil ruler in the entire second millennium.”

    True, he was pretty bad.

    But the stock market went through the roof while he was in power.

    And he personally treated me OK.

  520. Cash Cow TM says:

    Don’t you be bad mouthing the History Channel.

    I likes me some History Channel…

  521. Wes says:

    Of course Ford had multiple contradictory parts in her story and couldn’t explain away flat-out denials by people she claims were present at this supposed attempted rape, but Messy the Moron declares she was telling the truth.

    I don’t think this level of abject stupidity is natural.

  522. Messy says:

    463. Grace Coolidge, when asked by a reporter why her husband wasn’t running for a second full term, replied:

    “Poppa says there’s a depression coming.

  523. Wes says:

    So the stock market crashed almost eight months after Coolidge left office because of something Coolidge’s wife said in 1927? Good one there, Messy the Moron. Even so, Coolidge was highly critical of Hoover’s advice as Commerce Secretary and felt Hoover would fail as President. Coolidge was right. Neither Hoover nor Roosevelt was at all capable of ending the Depression—which let up only after America shifted to a wartime footing in 1939 and 1940–but nothing says a different President with different policies wouldn’t have been successful in combating it.

    In any event, all Grace Coolidge’s statement means is that Coolidge realized the bust side of the perennial boom-bust cycle was coming.

  524. Wes says:

    And so it ends:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-nelson-concedes-florida-senate-race-to-rick-scott-after-manual-recount

    In six years, Republicans just need to make Tim Kaine, Joe Manchin, Sherrod Brown, Debbie Stabenow, Tammy Baldwin, Kyrsten Sinema, and Jacky Rosen join him.

  525. Wes says:

    And Jon Tester too…

  526. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes should wash the KOS taste out of his mouth and explain why Israel, the UK, France, Germany and the UN all believed Iraq had WMDs. Did those nations have daddy issues?

  527. Dylan says:

    541/2–sadly, all of these democratic lacklusters get fresh 6 year terms—when you fail to take them out, they get to stick around for so darned long.

  528. jason says:

    We missed some good opportunities.

    Tester was one of them. Manchin another. Donnelly, Skyqueen and Heitkamp were living on borrowed time.

    Nelson was a bonus. The biggest empty suit in the Senate.

    Manchin should switch parties. He is going to be a pariah in the Dem caucus unless he stops pretending he is a moderate. With Donnelly, Skyqueen and Heitkamp gone, there are not more so called centrists to keep him company, maybe he can share an office with Tester.

    McConnell should try to buy him off with some good committee assignment.

    But it won’t work out because deep down Manchin is a liberal.

  529. Hugh says:

    Wes in 6 years we have great shots at tester and Manchin. Next three realistic chance are Sinema brown and Rosen. The other two are huge long shots.

  530. jason says:

    463. Grace Coolidge, when asked by a reporter why her husband wasn’t running for a second full term, replied:

    “Poppa says there’s a depression coming.”

    Grace could have made a fortune shorting the market.

  531. jason says:

    Wes should wash the KOS taste out of his mouth and explain why Israel, the UK, France, Germany and the UN all believed Iraq had WMDs. Did those nations have daddy issues?”

    Whenever wes comes up with the “Bush lied” BS, I like to confront him with some of the statements the leading Dems made (because they had access to the same information Bush was using).

    “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
    Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
    Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
    Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept.27, 2002

    “I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
    Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
    weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
    He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
    Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

  532. lisab says:

    What Ford tried to do to Kavanaugh was reprehensible. Dems truly have no shame or moral scruples.
    ——

    and it can all be traced back to the lewinsky impeachment

    the dems made the decision to band together and ignore the law for the greater good.

    unfortunately that now means they can fill in ballots, hit people in the head with bike locks, dox people, lie about ANYBODY about ANYTHING

    and face no consequences.

    FORD will never be convicted so long as democrats are in the jury pool, doj, and on the bench

    and for the next 30 years kavanaugh will be besmirched whenever his name is mentioned

    and worse … most republicans dont realize these people HATE you. if they knew someone supported trump, at the least you would get your car keyed

  533. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Wes thinks GWB is an incompetent moron AND an evil genius. Both can’t be true.

  534. lisab says:

    and lest the never trumpers think they are immune

    they HATE you too

    you are just useful now until they can get rid of trump

  535. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Rice would be a good pick for the Browns’ GM job. She can’t possibly do worse than the men who have screwed up the Browns for decades.

  536. jason says:

    Watching the Eagles lose since its free and I have nothing better to do.

    Horrible call for “hit” on the Eagles. Defensive player is trying to keep the guy out of the end zone, never came near helmet to helmet.

    NFL is now a league of pansies.

  537. jason says:

    Jason – Wes thinks GWB is an incompetent moron AND an evil genius. Both can’t be true.”

    I think what actually bothers him is that GWB was pretty darn competent.

  538. jason says:

    I think Rice would be a good pick for the Browns’ GM job.”

    Maybe they should go with Susan Rice.

    She could deny the Browns suck and claim they actually won all the games they lost.

  539. jason says:

    Nelson’s “concession” was a campaign speech.

    In the defense of “truth”, global warming, gay rights, abortion, Obamacare.

    Good riddance.

  540. jason says:

    and lest the never trumpers think they are immune

    they HATE you too

    you are just useful now until they can get rid of trump”

    Useful idiots.

  541. jason says:

    Outside of coaching, offense, defense and special teams the Eagles look pretty good.

    As far as the SB, Chiefs would need a better defense to beat the Saints.

    But somehow, I think Andy Reid would find a way to lose a playoff game before the SB.

    In any case, I hate the Raiders, not the Chiefs.

  542. Bitterlaw says:

    The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. Many of the players from that team are are gone or injured. It happens.

  543. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t see any team keeping the Saints out of the Super Bowl.

  544. Bitterlaw says:

    Leading 38-7 in the 4th, Saints go for it on 4th and 7. Classless move. They scored a TD.

  545. Tina says:

    Did any of the Iggles Kneel?

    What about loudmouth Long?

  546. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t see any Eagles kneeling. I ignore Long’s statements. He donated his entire salary to charity last season.

  547. Tina says:

    Thanks for the nfl updates, Bl. You can at least win the division, despite the poor play.

    Alex Smith went down with q gruesome injury similar to Theisman, 33 years to the date. eerie.

  548. Bitterlaw says:

    Dangerous game. That is one reason I did not understand keeping Drew Brees in to throw passes up by 41 points. Also would have pulled Wentz down by 41 points.

  549. mnw says:

    There have only been 12 years out of the last 50 when one party had the WH & both houses of Congress. I didn’t know that & thought it was interesting.

  550. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    566. “here have only been 12 years out of the last 50 when one party had the WH & both houses of Congress. I didn’t know that & thought it was interesting.”

    I think the voters instinctively do not want one party to dominate the government. They like checks and balances, and want both parties watching over each other.

  551. Tina says:

    Voter Fraud has resigned