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Michelle Obama Leads Trump by 7%

In a potential match up between Donald Trump and Michelle Obama in 2020, Obama leads Trump by a 7% margin according to a new poll by Rasmussen Reports.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Rasmussen)
Michelle Obama (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

This poll was done November 12-13 among 1000 likely voters. Of course, it should be noted that one day before the Election two weeks ago, Rasmussen Reports claim Republicans had a lead in the Generic Ballot US House test, only to see Republicans lose by more than 7%. As far as I can tell, the gang at Rasmussen Reports has yet to explain why they were so far off….

Posted by Dave at 9:16 pm
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583 Responses to “Michelle Obama Leads Trump by 7%”

  1. jason says:

    Llamas are forever.

  2. marc says:

    Final Recount Update:

    Broward County SOE Brenda Snipes resigns.

  3. Marv says:

    Poll shows virtue signaling Indies and nothing more.

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Those racist residents of Tijuana, Mexico are telling the in the migrant caravan to go home.
    Its time for Pelosi to give them a lecture.

  5. marc says:

    He’s a question for everyone? If Trump gets one more Supreme Court nomination, hopefully, Ginsbergs seat opening up b/c of ill health etec, would it be better for the GOP future to have Trump either not run or be defeated in 2020?

  6. jason says:

    Why would it be good for the GOP to lose the election for President?

  7. jason says:

    Poll shows virtue signaling Indies and nothing more.”

    Hmmmm….. too deep for me.

  8. marc says:

    great likelihood of major recession after 2020. The six year itch in 2022 could be brutal wiping out a generation of GOP office holders like 2014 did to Democrats.

  9. jason says:

    Sorry, I don’t ever agree you win by losing.

  10. jason says:

    LOL

    “Morris-Weeks said she saw an early draft of the letter. In the version she saw, she said Snipes, 75, expressed a desire to spend more time with her family”

  11. jason says:

    Snipes makes $180k a year.

  12. lisab says:

    would it be better for the GOP future to have Trump either not run or be defeated in 2020?
    ————

    if you lose the wh in 2020, you will likely also lose the senate.

    then you will not win the wh again in your lifetime

  13. lisab says:

    the dems just got a 60,000 vote lead in florida down to 10,000

    when they DON’T control the state

    if you lose in 2020, the dems will loosen the voting system to the point where you cannot win

  14. Phil says:

    13

    Exactly right, Lisa

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Trump is not the candidate in 2020, it is likely the working class/rural base that supports him might not turn-out. Right now Trump has somewhere near 90% support among Republicans. Trump needs to soften his jagged edges (which he is showing signs of doing) but he at this point is the best candidate. The neutered Republicans of the past are not electable.

  16. Wes says:

    You guys do know Republicans will eventually lose the presidency, right?

    As for losing the Senate alongside it, that’s possible but unlikely since only Gardner and Collins are in states Dems would be likely to beat Trump in on the GOP side while Doug Jones is basically a lame duck.

    The Senate most likely is a wash or has minimal change in 2020 regardless of the President.

  17. lisab says:

    the dems don’t think it is wrong to cheat you out of your vote.

    you are all racist nazis, so you don’t deserve a vote

    as a lockean this is appalling to me, but it is what they think of you.

    go on reddit politics sometime and post something remotely pro-gop sometime. you will be pounced on and even banned very quickly. they don’t want to hear your views. you are all racist bigots.

  18. Wes says:

    I just saw Jason’s post 554 on the previous thread. The homoerotica in Jason’s slobbering adulation of one of the most incompetent human beings ever to occupy the White House couldn’t be more palpable.

  19. lisab says:

    You guys do know Republicans will eventually lose the presidency, right?
    ————————–

    you will, so you best hope it is not in 2020.

    if you lose in 2020, there WILL be payback. they don’t just want power, they want revenge.

    if you will in 2020, the far left crazy dems will be discredited, much like the teaparty has, and more rational dems will be elected

    if you lose in 2020, the borders will be thrown open, they will barely pretend to enforce the borders, amnesty will be given and as many new people will be put on the voter rolls.

    plus … FREE COLLEGE … basically will be used to buy enough white voters to keep you out forever

    once college is free, you will never take that benefit away

  20. jason says:

    If Trump is not the candidate in 2020, it is likely the working class/rural base that supports him might not turn-out. Right now Trump has somewhere near 90% support among Republicans.”

    Yep, that is why I think we are stuck with him for better or worse.

    The 2018 Trump is the same Trump as 2016 when the GOP won everything.

    I have a feeling the election will be decided on other factors than Trump’s “rough edges”.

    I think too much is being made of it, unfortunately by many Republicans and conservatives.

  21. lisab says:

    the only way you lose because trump is boorish,

    is if the dems have someone like obama, clinton or jfk. someone who speaks very well to everyman

    most of the top dem candidates ARE ALSO boorish and throw around terms like racist and deplorables.

    people forget but back in 2008 obama was considered a brilliant speaker

  22. jason says:

    It seems to me Republicans and conservatives have a decision to make.

    Do they want the power to have their agenda implemented, conservative judges, a brake on the nanny state and open borders?

    Or do they want to throw that away because Trump has rough edges?

  23. jason says:

    people forget but back in 2008 obama was considered a brilliant speaker”

    Only by the MSM.

    He is actually not a good speaker at all.

  24. lisab says:

    in 2008 he actually spent a little time talking about how

    everyone would benefit if we all worked together

    in his usa.

    that message quickly became how he was awesome and the middle class would simply have to suck it up and pay for 1st class medical care for those who don’t work —

    it went from, “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”

    to

    “you did not build that”, so cough it up

  25. Messy says:

    Rasmussen forgot the 22nd amendment, they also forgot that it wasn’t 2014.

    23. Have you heard him speak in public? I have. I was at the ’04 Democratic convention when he was still a State Senator and blew the crowd away.

    24. He never said ““you did not build that”, so cough it up” You did.

  26. Messy says:

    13 “if you lose in 2020, the dems will loosen the voting system to the point where you cannot win”

    yeah, in a free and fair election, you guys cannot win. Think about that. All eligible voters actually being allowed to vote is a GOOD thing in a democracy. Voting should be mandatory.

  27. Wes says:

    Technically Messy the Moron is correct:

    Obama didn’t say, “ You did not build that.” He said, “You didn’t build that.”

    There’s of course a universe of difference between the two statements. 🙄

  28. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron wants illegals, dead people, and illegals as eligible voters.

  29. Wes says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GjqdP6KSOE

    I guess now Messy the Moron is officially a liar.

  30. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Obama gave good speeches. Answerimh questions and debates are where he is not a good speaker.

  31. Tgca says:

    Treinta uno Bebe! Treinta uno!

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    It it never good to lose the White House.

  33. Wes says:

    Tell that to the 1928 Democrats, Bitter.

  34. jason says:

    ‘In a democracy. Voting should be mandatory.”

    LOL

  35. jason says:

    Obama gave good speeches?

    I have to admit I didn’t listen to many of them, but the ones I did were not well delivered. He had a tendency to drone on and on in a monotone.

    If you want to hear a good speech, listen to Joel Osteen.

  36. Bitterlaw says:

    I can’t, Wes. They are all dead. Like most of the voters in your Past Always Predicts Current Elections universe.

  37. jason says:

    All eligible voters actually being allowed to vote”

    Translation for “eligible”.

    Non-existent, cloned, fabricated, invented, illegal, dead, fraudulent voters who vote multiple times in multiple states.

  38. jason says:

    Bitter, I think wes is consistent.

    He thought it would have been better for a nutcase like Gore to have won the WH too.

  39. George says:

    Is Hillary Clinton also horrified by Stacy Adams comments?

    Defeated Democratic Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacy Abrams, who admitted last week that she could not beat Republican Brian Kemp, on Sunday refused to call Kemp the legitimate governor-elect and said democracy had “failed” in the state.

    From the NYTimes:
    Mr. Trump insisted, without offering evidence, that the general election has been rigged against him, and he twice refused to say that he would accept its result.

    “That’s horrifying,” Mrs. Clinton replied. “Let’s be clear about what he is saying and what that means. He is denigrating — he is talking down our democracy. And I am appalled that someone who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that position.”

  40. Tina says:

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  41. Tina says:

    The Obumbker did say

    You can keep your plan, you can keep your doctors.

    How did that work out?

  42. jason says:

    Democracy is when Democrats win.

  43. Wobbles says:

    You can keep your plan, you can keep your doctors.”

    Inconsequential fib.

    DId you see what Trump said about the inauguration crowd size?

  44. jason says:

    Maybe if they throw this Snipes woman in jail, Dems will be less likely to try to steal elections?

    Nahhhh…..

  45. jason says:

    Tgca says:
    November 19, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Treinta uno Bebe! Treinta uno!”

    Mira cabrón, es cuarenta y seis.

  46. Chicon says:

    Man, the Saints layed the wood to the Birds….

  47. jason says:

    In a democracy. Voting should be mandatory.”

    I hear its mandatory in Cuba and North Korea.

  48. jason says:

    I think Obama would have called it a shellacking….

  49. Chicon says:

    31 and 46 appear to be llama-speak.

  50. Chicon says:

    Shellacking is appropriate – similar to losing 60+ seats.

  51. jason says:

    Tgca doesn’t speak llama.

    He wouldn’t know the difference between a llama and a guanaco, let alone between a llama and a vicuña.

  52. A FEW RANDOM THOUGHTS FROM TEXAS:

    1. Beto is an ’empty suit’ – that is what makes him vulnerable (no policies – look at the way Cruz clobbered him in the debates!) and also very much like Obama in ’08; he can be “loved” by anyone who projects their rosy-glasses view of liberal life — and he will be loved.

    2. Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist, but he’s the GOP’s guy – you gotta live with it or pray lightning strikes and Pence comes in.

    3. The money simply wasn’t there for GOP candidates across the board on Nov. 6th — I don’t think this will be the case for 2020! Beto blew 70+ million dollars, and lost by 200,000 votes – and wouldn’t share a dime with other Dems running for state office, and they all went down! Thank you, Beto!

    4. Senate is very safe in 2020.

    5. The GOP has 2 years to let Trump Derangement Syndrome reach a full boil in Congress with folk like Maxine Watters and Ocasio-Cortes and Pelosi. That is worth — I’m guessing — 2-4 % points nationally, so, GOP CAN take back the House with GOOD, MILITARY VETERAN CANDIDATES.

    5. Elections have consequences – Thank God that the Senate is now where the action will be. Apart from nutty House bills that will go nowhere, we will see CR (continuing resolutions) pay for the entire federal government; no progress on real issues.

    6. The GOP Senate has 2 more years to PACK THE COURTS – for the love of Pete, get busy, you guys. Sen Graham @ Judiciary and Mitch should be able to get more than 75 judges through, at a minimum.

    7. RBG — one more fall and more set of cracked ribs and she is going to see THE JUDGE. GOP, be ready!

  53. Marv says:

    #53 Mike in Dallas,

    Pretty good summation.

  54. Robbie says:

    I’m glad to see President Moron has decided to continue his fight with a former admiral and Navy SEAL. Totally makes sense a guy who got out of service for bone spurs would attack the man who oversaw the raid that killed Bin Laden.

    How soon before Jason fraud calls for Admiral McRaven to be court martial for attacking his dear leader?

    Also, congrats to everyone who says Trump just need to change his tone to win in 2020.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    Of course we should have captured Osama Bin Laden long before we did. I pointed him out in my book just BEFORE the attack on the World Trade Center. President Clinton famously missed his shot. We paid Pakistan Billions of Dollars & they never told us he was living there. Fools!..

  55. jason says:

    Very good Mike. Not a bad analysis.

    Of course, I would point out that (like Beto) empty suit Obama did win 2 Presidential elections.

  56. jason says:

    Also, congrats to everyone who says Trump just need to change his tone to win in 2020.”

    Zzzzzzzzz…..

    Poor Amoral Scumbag, the worse he can come up against Trump is “his tone”.

  57. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 18, 2018 at 10:11 pm
    Why would it be good for the GOP to lose the election for President?

    – Because it would excise Trumpism from the party. Only a presidential loss would do that. Of course, you think Trumpism is great so you would be upset.

  58. Tina says:

    I will go on a paper plane strike if Snipes is put in jail.

    -Jebot

  59. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2018 at 10:57 am
    Also, congrats to everyone who says Trump just need to change his tone to win in 2020.”
    Zzzzzzzzz…..
    Poor Amoral Scumbag, the worse he can come up against Trump is “his tone”.

    – LOL. I have a list a mile long with Trump, but you’re too busy licking his butt to care.

    Trump is scum. Deal with it fraud.

  60. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2018 at 10:57 am
    I will go on a paper plane strike if Snipes is put in jail.
    -Jebot

    – Have there been any new advances in shock therapy since you started your treatments?

  61. Tina says:

    Yup, 17 years too late, but at least $ is cut off from Pokestan .

    That cesspool played Bushbama like suckers.

  62. jason says:

    he GOP Senate has 2 more years to PACK THE COURTS – for the love of Pete, get busy, you guys. Sen Graham @ Judiciary and Mitch should be able to get more than 75 judges through, at a minimum.”

    Yes please.

    And while that happens, Amoral Scumbag can keep talking about the “former admiral” (yes, I know, there is no such thing as former admiral but Amoral Scumbag will say its a “typo” to hide his ignorance”)

  63. Tina says:

    The underscored were for,Nelson,

    -Clinton groupie

  64. jason says:

    Because it would excise Trumpism from the party.”

    So Amoral Scumbag admits that he is no Republican or conservative. But we knew that.

    No conservative or Republican would want to lose a Presidential election as “punishment” for an individual.

    Basically, Amoral Scumbag says “f-ck the country, what’s important is to get rid of Trump, because I don’t like his tone and because he kicked my candidate’s ass”.

  65. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 18, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    If Trump is not the candidate in 2020, it is likely the working class/rural base that supports him might not turn-out. Right now Trump has somewhere near 90% support among Republicans. Trump needs to soften his jagged edges (which he is showing signs of doing) but he at this point is the best candidate. The neutered Republicans of the past are not electable.

    – This is so laughably ridiculous it could only come from someone who believes Rasmussen is a credible poll.

    First, look at the data from the last few elections. The rural vote was already becoming more and more Republican. On the other hand, Trump single handedly turned the suburbs into a killing field for Republicans, something no Democrat had ever been able to do.

    Second, I love this new talking point from the Trumpers. “If Trump just changes his tone, everything will be alright”. It’s both hilarious and sad. There’s no evidence Dingbat Don is going to change his tone. He’s a lifelong jerk and he always will be.

  66. Tina says:

    Sorry, the under votes were all for Nelson.

    -Clinton Groupie

  67. jason says:

    Because it would excise Trumpism from the party.”

    Losing the Presidential election could lead to a liberal SCOTUS, open borders, trillions spent on global warming, entrenchment of the nanny state, carbon tax, etc.

    But that is not a problem for Amoral Scumbag, it’s still about Jeb Bush.

  68. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 18, 2018 at 11:12 pm
    I just saw Jason’s post 554 on the previous thread. The homoerotica in Jason’s slobbering adulation of one of the most incompetent human beings ever to occupy the White House couldn’t be more palpable.

    – Thus the moniker Jason fraud. He attacked Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for Trump, and then left the party over Trump only to become Trump’s biggest cheerleader simply because Trump won.

  69. Tina says:

    Pokestan is a cesspool.

    Pokestan took our money.

    Pokestan enabled Osama.

    Clinton missed his chance taking out Osama because he was being “serviced” at the time.

  70. Marv says:

    Robbie,

    Have you been following the Lion Air B737-Max accident in Indonesia?

    Perhaps had the Captain disconnected the autopilot and autothrottles and used basic airmanship to hand fly the aircraft, the accident could have been avoided.

  71. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 18, 2018 at 11:32 pm
    It seems to me Republicans and conservatives have a decision to make.
    Do they want the power to have their agenda implemented, conservative judges, a brake on the nanny state and open borders?
    Or do they want to throw that away because Trump has rough edges?

    – Yeah, it’s all on the party that gives Trump upwards of 90% support and not the stark raving mad lunatic in the White House who says moronic and buffoonish things every day.

  72. jason says:

    I agree with Amoral Scumbag on the “changing his tone” BS.

    At one point I thought Trump’s tone was a huge problem too.

    The 2016 election proved otherwise.

    And if Trump’s tone was the only issue that caused the 2018 loss in house seats, why did Rs gain seats in the Senate?

    The main factor in the 2018 losses was history, not Trump.

    The GOP would have lost at least 30 seats even if Trump was a choirboy. You read it here first.

  73. Tina says:

    Cn and n wants an emergency hearing after the wh threatens to take Acosta pass away in 2 weeks.

    They sent him a letter about conduct, fulfilling the judges request that there be a procedure.

    No way can the judicial branch tell the executive branch you must have media slobs. there is no requirement for daily press briefings, or allowing media access.

  74. jason says:

    Do they want the power to have their agenda implemented, conservative judges, a brake on the nanny state and open borders?
    Or do they want to throw that away because Trump has rough edges?

    – Yeah, it’s all on the party that gives Trump upwards of 90% support and not the stark raving mad lunatic in the White House who says moronic and buffoonish things every day.”

    Yep, that is the choice.

    Results vs. “buffoonish”.

    I go for results, and so far 90% of Republicans do to.

    I guess they are smarter than Amoral Scumbag.

  75. mnw says:

    “Trump has so much Republican support, I think we’re stuck with him.”

    Me too… unless something incredible happens… like he gets caught boinking a porn star & paying her hush money. Something like that could change everything!

    (oh. maybe not, then.)

  76. Tina says:

    Maybe the executive branch can order that the Supreme Court have cameras in the court room.

  77. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:03 am
    Because it would excise Trumpism from the party.”
    So Amoral Scumbag admits that he is no Republican or conservative. But we knew that.

    – LOL. Nice try fraud. Unlike you, I have remained a registered Republican and will remain so. I didn’t coat check my principles at the door simply because Trump won as you did.

    I will support any credible challenge to Trump in the primary next year because it may be the only way to show the country the party is better than the vulgar moron you support.

    I would hate to see the party lose the White House in 2020 because it would give them the chance to reshape the Supreme Court, but renominating Trump likely guarantees a loss. Maybe the sycophants like you should consider that. You won’t. You’ll continue to cheer on Mad King Don’s worst impulses.

  78. Tina says:

    Why is Faux News covering the caravan and the request by the Mexicans that they go home.

    We were assured by Shepardly Smith that no such caravan existed. Remember, the same Smith that tried to cause a riot in the Superdme with Geraldine during Hurricane Katrina?

  79. jason says:

    He attacked Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for Trump, and then left the party over Trump only to become Trump’s biggest cheerleader simply because Trump won.”

    And then there is Amoral Scumbag, still refusing to admit Trump won and we are no longer in the 2016 primary campaign and Jeb Bush is still not President.

    I think it makes more sense that since Trump won to support him in the policies that benefit the American people.

    Energy policy, deregulation, conservative judges, tax cuts, support for small businesses, border security.

    Wow, what a novel idea. Actually adapt to the results and move on from the primaries.

    Shocking.

  80. Tina says:

    I will support a run by Hillary in 2020.

    -Jebots

  81. Robbie says:

    Marv says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:07 am
    Robbie,
    Have you been following the Lion Air B737-Max accident in Indonesia?
    Perhaps had the Captain disconnected the autopilot and autothrottles and used basic airmanship to hand fly the aircraft, the accident could have been avoided.

    – It is hard for me to understand what and how that happened, especially in what I believe were VMC conditions. As a rule, I try and had fly towards FL 180, but that also depends on my fatigue level. Automation has certainly dulled flying skills. The Air France crash in 2009 is a good example. The crew forgot how to escape a stall. Just add power and lower the nose.

  82. jason says:

    I would hate to see the party lose the White House in 2020 because it would give them the chance to reshape the Supreme Court, but renominating Trump likely guarantees a loss”

    Ahh.. but IF Trump is renominated surely you will support him right?

    After all, you would HATE to lose the WH and have the Dems reshape SCOTUS.

  83. Tina says:

    BuzzFeed News
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    Stacey Abrams tried. But ultimately she could not, for now, preserve her supporters’ idea of democracy in Georgia. buzzfeednews.com/article/darren…
    4:23 PM – 18 Nov 2018

    Yes, and Moochelle and Oprah could,not help.

  84. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:16 am
    I will support a run by Hillary in 2020.
    -Jebots

    – It’s so sad this is the best Tinfoil has to offer these days.

  85. jason says:

    I will support any credible challenge to Trump in the primary next year”

    Is “credible” someone who can win the nomination and the GE or is credible just someone to divide the party and ensure the Dems win?

    Don’t bother answering, we know the answer.

  86. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:18 am
    I would hate to see the party lose the White House in 2020 because it would give them the chance to reshape the Supreme Court, but renominating Trump likely guarantees a loss”
    Ahh.. but IF Trump is renominated surely you will support him right?

    – No, I won’t support in 2020. He is an incompetent fool who has disgraced the presidency. The loss in 2020 will be the fault of the primary voters who chose to renominate someone like him rather than trying to correct course and nominate someone who could unify the party and expand the party’s voter base.

    All Trump does is reinforce that the party is focused solely on white voters over the age of 50 or so, specifically men.

  87. jason says:

    “Trump has so much Republican support, I think we’re stuck with him.”

    Me too… unless something incredible happens… like he gets caught boinking a porn star & paying her hush money. Something like that could change everything!

    (oh. maybe not, then.)”

    Amoral Scumbag has been quiet about his hero Avennatti.

    I wonder why…

  88. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:20 am
    I will support any credible challenge to Trump in the primary next year”
    Is “credible” someone who can win the nomination and the GE or is credible just someone to divide the party and ensure the Dems win?
    Don’t bother answering, we know the answer.

    – Credible is someone who can defeat Trump and potentially win the general election. That means someone like Mitt Romney or Nikki Haley. It doesn’t mean Kasich, Corker, Flake, Sasse, or someone like that.

  89. jason says:

    han trying to correct course and nominate someone who could unify the party and expand the party’s voter base.”

    Expand the party’s voter base?

    You mean like Trump did after McCain and Romney showed the party’s “base” was not enough to win?

    What a novel idea!

  90. Tina says:

    Credible means any democrat that can defeat Trump.

    -Jebot

  91. Robbie says:

    Basically, the Republican Party has two choices. It can follow the path California Republicans chose in the mid 1990’s and become irrelevant, or it can follow the path Republicans in Texas and Florida chose in the mid 1990’s and maintain solid control.

    Trump is choosing the Pete Wilson path and he we’re seeing what happened in California now happen nationally. The suburbs are becoming more and more Democrat and no minority voter wants anything to do with Republicans.

    Great way to become a permanent minority, but MAGA.

  92. jason says:

    “Credible is someone who can defeat Trump and potentially win the general election. That means someone like Mitt Romney”

    LOL

    Romney, the guy you attacked all the way to the GE and celebrated his loss to Obama?

    If Romney could unify the party and win a GE, he would have done it.

    You really are a clown.

    You know Romney or Haley would never win the GE.

  93. Marv says:

    Robbie,

    As a general rule, I try to avoid faulting the flight crew for an accident until the investigation is complete. In this case, early indications are that the Captain failed to handfly the aircraft after an automation failure.

    My practice was similar to yours and I turned off all automation and manually flew that aircraft on approach below 10,000’. If I was a little tired or the Wx was bad, I’d leave the autopilot on until about 1,000’ AGL.

  94. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:24 am
    han trying to correct course and nominate someone who could unify the party and expand the party’s voter base.”
    Expand the party’s voter base?
    You mean like Trump did after McCain and Romney showed the party’s “base” was not enough to win?
    What a novel idea!

    – Trump got 46.1% of the national vote. Romney got 47.2% of the national vote.

  95. jason says:

    The guy that spent a year here regurgitating every sordid MSM attack on Romney and who celebrated his loss to Obama now thinks he “can unify the party and win a GE”.

    Amoral Scumbag is too generous a term. I am beginning to think Amoral Scumbag is a true sociopath.

  96. Phil says:

    Haley would be a good president I think. That said, it’s probably Trump or bust.

    Any “Republican” who sits out a Trump-Kamala Harris race is no Republican.

  97. Robbie says:

    Marv says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:27 am
    Robbie,
    As a general rule, I try to avoid faulting the flight crew for an accident until the investigation is complete. In this case, early indications are that the Captain failed to handfly the aircraft after an automation failure.
    My practice was similar to yours and I turned off all automation and manually flew that aircraft on approach below 10,000’. If I was a little tired or the Wx was bad, I’d leave the autopilot on until about 1,000’ AGL.

    – I flew for so long as a CFI in planes without any autopilot, I had a hard time letting the automation do maneuvering. I also found the trim was screwy when I would disconnect the AP on ILS approaches near DH.

  98. jason says:

    The truth is the suburban vote was not enough for Rs to win Presidential elections, because Dole, McCain and Romney all won the suburban vote.

    If the suburbs are becoming more liberal, that is a problem, but it’s not because of Trump.

    If you believe that you believe suburbanites are voting against their own interests because of Trump’s “tone”.

    Are they that stupid?

  99. Phil says:

    Trump got over 300 electoral votes. Romney got about 220.

  100. Tina says:

    Do we bring back brokered convention in 2020?

    Or Code Red Steal the nomination outright a la 2016?

  101. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:31 am
    Haley would be a good president I think. That said, it’s probably Trump or bust.
    Any “Republican” who sits out a Trump-Kamala Harris race is no Republican.

    – I sat out Trump/Hillary and I’ll do the same in 2020. I won’t vote for a defective candidate like Trump. IN KY, my vote won’t matter though.

    As for being stuck with Trump, right now that appears to be the case. A year is a long time in politics, though.

    Heading into 1968 no pundit believed LBJ was vulnerable. Eugene McCarthy got in the race and showed LBJ’s standing was not nearly as firm as the pundits believed.

  102. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:35 am
    Do we bring back brokered convention in 2020?
    Or Code Red Steal the nomination outright a la 2016?

    – I’d support doing both if it meant stopping Trump, Tinfoil.

  103. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:33 am
    Trump got over 300 electoral votes. Romney got about 220.

    – And Trump ran against the worst and most unpopular Democrat nominee in more than 40 years and Romney ran against the country’s first black president who had unrivaled support in the minority community.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no “Trumpism.” Trump stands for nothing but himself. When he leaves office, no candidate is going to try to be the next Trump because Trump is unique.

  105. Phil says:

    Yes it is fortunate that Robbie lives in Kentucky. Still, I’m quite sure Kamala (make America California) Harris appreciates Robbie’s abstention.

  106. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:39 am
    Yes it is fortunate that Robbie lives in Kentucky. Still, I’m quite sure Kamala (make America California) Harris appreciates Robbie’s abstention.

    – I think Kamala Harris appreciates Republicans decision to renominate Trump far more than one person in KY choosing not to vote for either her or Trump.

  107. Tina says:

    Yes, only “real Republicans” vote for Kamala or Hillary.

  108. Tina says:

    Phil, do not fear Harris.

    Tape is out in her. Go back to how the dhs secretary handled her during confirmation.

    She laughed at Kamala, and Kamala lost it.

  109. Phil says:

    I’m sure Kamala appreciates ANY Republican sitting out the election no matter which state.

  110. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:41 am
    Yes, only “real Republicans” vote for Kamala or Hillary.

    – Who said anything about voting for Harris or Clinton? I didn’t.

    I still remember when you laughably lied for more than a year here claiming you were a Kasich supporter even though the only candidate you never mocked was Trump.

  111. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:42 am
    I’m sure Kamala appreciates ANY Republican sitting out the election no matter which state.

    – She appreciates far more Republicans stupidly renominating Trump. She couldn’t beat Haley in 2020. The only way she has a chance to become president is for Trump to be on the ballot.

  112. Tina says:

    Breaking

    There is a report that the us Mexican border has been sealed,

    A way to deal with this is to build the wall, increase the military presence there (making sure they are all armed), and tax the sheot on the remittances.

  113. Tina says:

    I still remember when you laughably lied for more than a year here claiming you were a Kasich supporter even though the only candidate you never mocked was Trump.

    I stil remember when you and Clinton .groupie fronted daily for Hilary.

  114. Phil says:

    I can’t do anything about who the Rs nominate, Robbie, but I’ll be damned if I’ll sit it out and watch a Marxist like Harris gain the WH.

  115. Tina says:

    cardillo
    32m
    MSNBC is losing its mind over Whitaker as acting AG. Whitaker has the dirt on Hillary and sees through the Mueller sham. They’re terrified of him.
    View details ·

    Nothing they can do about Whitaker.

  116. Phil says:

    Tina, the media lost its mind a long time ago.

  117. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 19, 2018 at 11:47 am
    I can’t do anything about who the Rs nominate, Robbie, but I’ll be damned if I’ll sit it out and watch a Marxist like Harris gain the WH.

    – You can support and vote for someone other than Trump in the primary. Trump wins if the party becomes apathetic and feels there’s no other option to him.

    If you feel obligated to vote for Trump in 2020, I have ZERO problem with that. But at the same time, you need to recognize there are going to more than a few of us who can’t bring ourselves to vote for someone we feel is unworthy of the presidency.

  118. Robbie says:

    If Trump can nominate anyone he wants to be an acting cabinet secretary, then what’s to stop him from naming Ivanka from being an acting cabinet secretary? The Constitution says cabinet secretaries need to be Senate confirmed.

  119. Tina says:

    Good luck trying to get rid of Whitaker, in his acting capacity, mslsd/Jebot losahs.

  120. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    4h
    Mexican Protesters Scream at Illegal Immigrants: “Donald Trump Was Right! This Is an Invasion” (VIDEO) thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/mexica… via @gatewaypundit
    View summary ·

    Shepardly Smith said no invasion, no caravan.

  121. NYCmike says:

    “…then what’s to stop him from naming Ivanka from being an acting cabinet secretary? ”

    -The most important question of the day!

  122. Tina says:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5113255/Acting-AG-Op.pdf

    Here is the Jebots answer to it’s stupid question.

  123. Paul says:

    Regarding Supreme Court…. if Ginsburg’s health falters in early spring of 2020, will the Republicans abide by their so-called ‘Biden rule’? Or will they be blatantly partisan hypocrites?

  124. Robbie says:

    Trump 2020: Because we’re stuck with him!

  125. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm
    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5113255/Acting-AG-Op.pdf
    Here is the Jebots answer to it’s stupid question.

    – Bless your heart.

  126. Tina says:

    See, how dense, the drat troll is?

  127. GPO says:

    Paul says:

    November 19, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    Regarding Supreme Court…. if Ginsburg’s health falters in early spring of 2020, will the Republicans abide by their so-called ‘Biden rule’? Or will they be blatantly partisan hypocrites

    It all politics- of course they will fill it. McConnell already made some reference to the fact that the “rule” only applies when the party that controls the Senate does not hold the White House

  128. Paul says:

    GPO:
    I think you are right. She better hang on until the Democrat wins in 2020 then.

  129. Paul says:

    Or if the Dems win the Senate and Trump continues as President. Then they can simply not vote on any justices while he remains President.

  130. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    From RRH;
    “UT-04: Utah county reports more numbers and Mia Love increases her lead – she leads by 1516 votes.”

    And,of course, Moshem at RRH says that this is bad news for GOP candidate Love. Eeyore!!!

    Lastly, Will Hurd(R-TX CD-23) has been confirmed as the winner of his contest.

  131. Paul says:

    Why does Utah take so long? I’m not familiar with their process. Do they do mail-in voting?

  132. Wes says:

    Is Trump still boorishly bragging Mia Love lost for not showing him enough love?

    He’s going to really look like a solipsistic ass if she wins.

  133. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 19, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    Is Trump still boorishly bragging Mia Love lost for not showing him enough love?
    He’s going to really look like a solipsistic ass if she wins.

    – No. He’s moved on and has decided to attack the retired Navy SEAL admiral who oversaw the raid that killed Bin laden. Jason fraud probably thinks it’s great.

  134. Robbie says:

    Mia Love won without becoming a sycophant for Trump. She owes him nothing. Hopefully, she will use that fact against him and speak out against Trump and his boorish behavior over the next two years.

  135. NYCmike says:

    “He’s going to really look like a solipsistic ass if she wins.”

    -And he will care?

    NO, he doesn’t.

    BUT, I still predict he will soften his edges to get re-elected.

    I bet the commercials are already being shot.

  136. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Mayor of Tijuana is now blasting the migrant caravan, and Trump has tweeted support of his position:

    “Tensions between residents and migrants boiled over Thursday night, with USA Sunday reporting that Tijuana police separated the groups after spurts of shoving and thrown punches. Tijuana residents reportedly wanted the migrants to go to shelters rather than the public spaces they occupied.

    Tijuana Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said Friday that the city isn’t in a position to handle the influx of people, which could reach 10,000 according to estimates from the Mexican government. The caravan members were expected to be in Tijuana for at least six months and possibly as long as a year and a half, Baja California Secretary-General Francisco Rueda Gomez said at a Tijuana City Hall meeting Friday.

    “No city in the world is prepared to receive this — if I’m allowed — this avalanche,” Gastelum said during a news conference at City Hall. “It is a tsunami. There is concern among all citizens of Tijuana.”

    The mayor also had harsher words for the migrants, whom he referred to as “pot-smokers” and “bums.”

    “Supposedly they are fleeing catastrophe, mistreatment in their countries of origin,” Gastelum said. “How is it possible that they arrive here and, if they want, create disorder?”

    Its time Pelosi to denounce Mexicans for racism.

  137. John says:

    Dang.
    Friday’s Apple Cup between UW and Wazzu is going to good. It’s a winner take all (Pac 12 North Champion and a date against Utah for the Pac 12 Championship with playoff and possible Rose Bowl implications).
    It’s also between Wazzu Heach Coach Mike Leach’s twitter of a fake Obama video and the ultra liberal campus at the University of Washington in Seattle.
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/washington-state-coach-mike-leachs-obama-tweet-cost-school-millions-in-donations-official-says

  138. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    131. “From RRH; “UT-04: Utah county reports more numbers and Mia Love increases her lead – she leads by 1516 votes.” And,of course, Moshem at RRH says that this is bad news for GOP candidate Love.”

    What he is referring to is there are still outstanding votes from Salt Lake County, where the Democratic candidate did well. However, Love has done better in several of the late vote batches from Salt Lake County. Its still to close to call, but a 1506 vote lead is heartening.

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Romney went door-to-door to campaign for Love, so if she wins he deserves major credit.

  140. Messy says:

    121. They aren’t Illegal immigrants yet, Tina. They have Mexican transit visas and thus are in Tijuana legally.

  141. NYCmike says:

    “Romney went door-to-door to campaign for Love, so if she wins he deserves major credit.”

    -Rumor is that in the Salt Lake City suburbs the difference may come down to Trump’s decision to make fun of Love, so then the women in those suburbs who hate Trump made sure to vote for Love.

    🙂

  142. sandiegocitizen says:

    I thought Trump made fun of love after the election.

  143. sandiegocitizen says:

    141. Yes, but all those Trump supporting rednecks in Tijuana want them out now.

  144. Waingro says:

    Craig Gilbert
    ?Verified account @WisVoter
    3h3 hours ago

    versus 2014, Scott Walker lost ground (his margins got worse) in WI’s 35 most densely populated counties but gained ground in 16 of 20 least densely populated counties
    These trends are a challenge for both sides in 2020 when WI will be prez battleground

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2018/11/19/2020-wisconsin-hugely-important-despite-no-big-state-races/1982239002/

  145. Waingro says:

    “I thought Trump made fun of love after the election”

    Yup.

  146. CG says:

    Assuming that Mia Love holds on, there will be but 14 GOP women in the U.S. House. That’s really low and below where Republicans were proportionally a generation ago, while obviously the proportion for Democrats has been rising.

    As long as Cindy Hyde-Smith is not upset, there will be 7 Republican women in the Senate, which is better proportionally than the House but still moving backwards from where it had been.

    Only 21 Republican women on Capitol Hill is an issue for the party, considering the gender gap.

    Just three Republican female Governors will be in office. Also, a good deal fewer than recent history.

  147. Waingro says:

    Jim Tankersley
    ?Verified account @jimtankersley
    3h3 hours ago

    There’s clear evidence that capping SALT hurt the popularity of the Trump tax law. It likely also hurt Republicans in the midterms. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/us/politics/trump-tax-cut-republican.html

  148. CG says:

    Had Trump attacked Carlos Curbelo and Peter Roskam *before* the election, rather than after, they probably would have won, and who knows about a couple of the others he went after.

  149. Tina says:

    Glad that quitters got off his arse and helped her win.

    But he is still a downgrade vs Hatch.

  150. Tina says:

    I was against that portion of the tax cut.

    The limitations suck and said so from the beginning.

    Not my fault for living in area where median home prices are $1.6 million,

  151. Tina says:

    oseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    5h
    Trump Approval; Rasmussen 50% Harris 47% Blacks 16% Survey Monkey 43% Blacks 21% (Black Women 10%)
    View details ·

    Drats/Jebots are going to have to start hurting trump more with AAs.

  152. Tina says:

    No, no , no.

    16 Drats in house vote to stop Piglosi as speaker.

    We need her as speaker.q

  153. Waingro says:

    #151, I didn’t have a strong opinion on it, other than the GOP needed to get SOME offsetting revenue in through deduction changes.

    Now it’s been proven to be a political disaster. The Senate should propose to repeal that part of the law with some type of offsetting cut/revenue enhancement and dare the Dems to block it.

    Dems will definitely play SALT up in 2020 if not.

  154. NYCmike says:

    “Not my fault for living in area where median home prices are $1.6 million”

    -Whose fault is it that you live there?

  155. Dylan says:

    I live in CA too. SALT limitations on deductibility kills me. This was a fake tax cut for me which is why I always chuckled when trump tried to overtout it. GOP never passes real tax cuts. And what they do pass always contains sunset provisions

    You think Dems will reinstate Salt deductibility if they get the whitehouse? NEVER.

  156. NYCmike says:

    “Only 21 Republican women on Capitol Hill is an issue for the party, considering the gender gap.

    Just three Republican female Governors will be in office. Also, a good deal fewer than recent history.”

    -Do you have a comparison of the numbers?

    Also, do you think Republicans should start bean-counting like that? What is the number of “minorities” we should strive for? if it gets above a certain number, should we then make sure to have enough “white men”?

  157. Waingro says:

    “You think Dems will reinstate Salt deductibility if they get the whitehouse? NEVER.”

    Nope. But they will use it as political weapon as long as possible. If the GOP wants to win back some of the lost House districts in bluer states, they need to address this.

  158. CG says:

    If my math is correct, Democrats will have 6 female Governors, 17 Senators, and 89 Congresswomen.

    83 percent of female Members of Congress will be Democrats.

  159. NYCmike says:

    Ok, “CG”.

    Please state your preferred percentages. Do we start insisting that primary winners be female?

    How about Kelli Ward in Arizona? Should she get preference over a man if McSally doesn’t get chosen to replace Kyl?

  160. CG says:

    I’m just stating numbers and why it may be a growing political problem for Republicans.

    You created an affirmative action quota system in your own mind.

    (I did not take into account what *might* happen if there is an AZ resignation)

    If McSally is not chosen in that scenario, which I doubt, then there are a lot of other Arizona Republican women who would be better than Kelli Ward to say the least.

    I know you have a thing for her.

  161. CG says:

    For example, there’s that Kimberly Yee, who just got elected State Treasurer and that lawyer chick whose name we have all already forgotten who questioned Blasey-Ford. She already knows where the Judiciary Committee Ladies’ Room is.

  162. CG says:

    Just to briefly comment on something posted earlier today, while there will be months and months to discuss 2020 and electability, I suggest that against whomever the Democrats are likely to nominate for President, that Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Bob Corker, Jeff Flake, and Ben Sasse would *all* have a greater chance of victory than Donald J. Trump.

    They would all probably fare better than Mike Pence would as well, although Pence would also have a better chance than Trump.

  163. CG says:

    Rush Limbaugh is mad that Democrats are trying to change the House rules officially so that religious headwear can be worn on the House floor.

    (Yes, I know Ilhan Omar has an anti-Israel problem. That’s not the point)

    So much for religious liberty and conservatives supporting it, Rush? Would he be saying the same thing if a Yarmulke wearing Orthodox Jew had been elected to Congress as a Republican? I doubt it.

  164. Bitterlaw says:

    Bob Casey is considering running for President in 2020. The ultimate empty suit aims high.

  165. Brandon says:

    Yeah, the SALT deduction elimination probably lost 3 of the 4 NJ seats.

  166. Brandon says:

    #165. Just saw that on the news. My God, he is a boring person.

  167. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CG
    How did you do with your House and Senate predictions this election cycle?

  168. Waingro says:

    “Bob Casey is considering running for President in 2020. The ultimate empty suit aims high.”

    The 2020 Dem Primary Clown Car circus is going to implode before the first debate.

  169. Robbie says:

    The bulk of HHR, the vast majority of FoxNews viewers, and the Rush Limbaugh listeners don’t want to acknowledge this, but the Republican party is in desperate need of an overhaul in style, tone, and tenor. And to be honest, that was true even before Mad King Don showed up.

    Simply put, the Republican Party cannot continue to act as if it’s 1984 and just rerun campaign after campaign as if that’s the case. Ronald Regan was a great president, but simply regurgitating the same things he said 34 years ago isn’t going to work.

    Republicans can no longer pretend the country is an white as it was in the 1980’s, but yet the party continues to cater basically to a group of voters that dwindles with each election cycle.

    Republicans have a choice. Follow the path Pete Wilson took in the 1990’s (the current Trump path), or follow the paths of GWB, Rick Perry, Jeb, and Scott took in Texas and Florida. In two places the party is thriving. In another, the party is outranked by those with no party affiliation.

  170. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    November 19, 2018 at 6:18 pm
    “Bob Casey is considering running for President in 2020. The ultimate empty suit aims high.”
    The 2020 Dem Primary Clown Car circus is going to implode before the first debate.

    – I doubt it. They saw what happened with our process in 2015 and 2016. Lots of people are floating their names, but I wouldn’t be surprised if their field is smaller than the one Republicans had in 2016.

  171. NYCmike says:

    “I know you have a thing for her.”

    -Backed up by what evidence?

    Just because I said she should be able to run in a primary if she follows the rules does not make her my favorite in the race.

    Are you against the primary system? Speak with Wes and Robbie then.

  172. NYCmike says:

    “Republicans can no longer pretend the country is an white as it was in the 1980’s, but yet the party continues to cater basically to a group of voters that dwindles with each election cycle.”

    -Yup, when Republicans, including President Trump, push opportunity for all with an expanding economy, they really only mean “white” people……whatever that means today to the SJW’s and media figures.

  173. Wes says:

    Mikey makes a contradictory post, I see. On the one hand, Trump doesn’t care about being known as a boorish jackass. On the other hand, Trump will moderate his tone—because people who don’t care about their public perception are known for changing it.

    If Messy the Moron and Mikey met in a room, would the universe implode from having such an exorbitant amount of stupidity concentrated in one place?

  174. Wes says:

    Mikey—who supports the fascist tactics the Tea Party used to take out Bob Bennett—still claims Robbie and I have a problem with primaries.

    Projection much, Mikey?

  175. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey—who supports the fascist tactics the Tea Party used to take out Bob Bennett”

    “fascist tactics” – LOL

    And this guy calls himself a student of history!

    Talk about hyperbole. You can really sling it!

  176. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey makes a contradictory post, I see.”

    -How is it contradictory?

    He already said things about Love. He can’t take them back.

    Going forward, if it will help, I predict he moderates his image.

    The future will tell who is correct.

    Or can Wesley the all knowing see the future as well?

  177. Wes says:

    We’ve been over this before, Mikey. To ensure his power , Mussolini took voting out of the public’s hands to force people to choose his stooges. Knowing Mike Lee would lose to Bennett in a primary, the Tea Party boxed Bennett out of the primary at the state convention.

    Explain to me the difference between what the Tea Party did and what Mussolini did. Both eliminated principal opposition before voters got a chance to decide.

  178. Wes says:

    Let’s see, Mikey:

    contradictory
    [kon-truh-dik-tuh-ree]
    SynonymsExamplesWord Origin
    See more synonyms for contradictory on Thesaurus.com
    adjective
    asserting the contrary or opposite; contradicting; inconsistent; logically opposite.

    And he will care?

    NO, he doesn’t.

    BUT, I still predict he will soften his edges to get re-elected.

    So, Trump doesn’t care but will still change his tone. That looks like a glaring contradiction.

  179. lisab says:

    Going forward, if it will help
    ——————————

    imo, it would help

    i would say a fair number of his attacks are on people that are on his side, e.g. sessions.

    now, it would have been fine to rip sessions in private, but not a good idea to do it publicly. it just plays into the dems hands and allows the trolls to spread discord among those republicans who like sessions.

    that is a dem troll’s job, to find topics that individuals disagree with trump on and use them to get dems elected.

    it is a lot easier to manipulate someone when they think you agree with them — that’s what trolls do.

  180. Robbie says:

    “No one cares about Trump’s tone, but he will moderate his tone so he can get re-elected” is the most HHR thing ever.

  181. mnw says:

    Troll City has arrived. This is not HHR any more. This is TTR– The Troll Report.

    You real posters have spent more time analyzing Vichey”s & correee’s droppings than the Vatican spent on the Summa Theologica.

  182. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    November 19, 2018 at 7:48 pm
    Troll City has arrived. This is not HHR any more. This is TTR– The Troll Report.

    You real posters have spent more time analyzing Vichey”s & correee’s droppings than the Vatican spent on the Summa Theologica.

    – Unlike you and your oracle Newt, I was right about the 2018 election.

  183. Tina says:

    Yeah, flakey has a really chance of winning.

    Low T all the way.

    Trump will break his nose.

    Flakey looks like has had his nose broken already.

    Also, his kids will become issues since we breached attacking the kids already, Remember his kids and little doggies?

  184. Tina says:

    Air quality has gotten really bad.

    I am sheltering in place.

    I have air filtration going,

    It will be a rough night, Asthma kicked in and I activated my nebulizer.

    All due to the paradise fire aftermath.

  185. Scooterboy says:

    Is it ok if I venture out of the world of politics for a moment?
    Who wins the Bryce Harper sweepstakes?
    I’m taking the Phillies.

  186. Tina says:

    The rental expense deduction limitations were bad too.

    I was hoping this part and the salt could be fixed, or should have been fixed.

    I will,not likely see a tax cut. I anticipate a tax increase.

    Will no more when mega overpaid cpa does my returns.

  187. Brandon says:

    Mia Love is now trailing and expected to lose.

  188. Robbie says:

    MAGA!

    Remember when the usual suspects chastised me for suggesting Democrats could win up to 40 seats. And if Mad King Don is on the ballot in 2020, these losses will be solidified.

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538

    Democrats are about even-money right now to wind up with *40* or more House seats. Unless there’s something we don’t know about, it looks like they’ll win UT-4, bringing their floor to 39. CA-21 is a Tossup. Then they have outside chances in GA-7 and NY-27

  189. Paul says:

    UT-4: So must be Salt Lake City remaining for Silver to be so sure of a Dem win?

  190. Tina says:

    Bryson Morrison ??
    @morrison_bryson
    Follow
    Sources tell me Mitch McConnell is lobbying Arizona Governor Doug Ducey to choose Rep. Martha McSally to replace Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, who is considering leaving his seat before his term ends.
    2:23 PM – 19 Nov 2018

    Barf!

  191. mnw says:

    191 Tina

    Why on earth do you say “Barf”?

    Sounds like a dream come true to me.

  192. Tina says:

    Mnw, I will,take Kyle over Mcsally, who ran a sheotty campaign against enema.

  193. Tina says:

    Looks like subpoenas have been issued against “long time (fake) Republican, Comedy, and Loretta Lynch.

  194. mnw says:

    Tina

    OK, I understand. But… if McSally is appointed to that seat, she could likely hold it as long as she wants. That’s a lot better, imo, than poor old Kyl just running out the string & putting that seat in jeopardy again.

  195. janz says:

    McSally is a known entity who, like mnw said, would most likely be able to hold the AZ seat for some time. As AZ seems to be more of a purple state than a reliable red one, I see her appointment as an asset rather than something to be frowned on.

  196. lisab says:

    hi mnw,

    yup, trolls have been working overtime since you left

  197. lisab says:

    Michigan College Cancels ‘The Vagina Monologues’ Because ‘Not All Women Have Vaginas’

  198. Proud Obamacon says:

    And now we win in Utah. Wow, all this winning! We just can’t stop winning. Every day it’s another win. Feel the wave yall! We’re headed for +40 in the House. Feel the Wave!

    #FEEL.THE.WAVE

  199. Bitterlaw says:

    CC

  200. Proud Obamacon says:

    YEAH Douchey should definitely choose McSally. She lost in a mid-term to Kirsten Sinema. She will definitely lose in a presidential year in 2020. We have a strong bench in Arizona. McSally please!

    #RESIST!!

  201. Proud Obamacon says:

    “McSally is a known entity who, like mnw said, would most likely be able to hold the AZ seat for some time. As AZ seems to be more of a purple state than a reliable red one, I see her appointment as an asset rather than something to be frowned on.”

    Wishful thinking – love it. We want McSally!

  202. mnw says:

    202 Zhithead

    How’s your big fat mama Stacy doing’ down in GA? Guess you were wrong about her winning, as YOU PREDICTED? ‘Cause Georgia isn’t quite ready for a two-ton-mama tax cheat, Huh?

  203. Proud Obamacon says:

    Keepin it class, eh mnw? /smh

    mnw triggered!

  204. mnw says:

    I know… it’s not that Tons ‘o’ Fun is too stupid to balance her checkbook & pay her taxes, right?

    Right! As u explained, it’s all about her sick ole grandaddy… or something.

  205. Proud Obamacon says:

    mnw still triggered …

  206. mnw says:

    You want McSally again? So do I!

    You want that sideshow circus freak to run again in GA? So do I!

    I hope we both get our wish.

  207. Proud Obamacon says:

    “big fat mama Stacy” ” two-ton-mama” “Tons ‘o’ Fun” … “sideshow circus freak”

    mnw, still triggered… i’m starting to get worried about him.

  208. Dylan says:

    I don’t think McSally is the best pick or even a good pick. I haven’t yet seen a good post-mortem as to why she lost to Sinema. I did see her corny concession speech with her dog–and I wasn’t impressed. Maybe she just wasn’t a great candidate and a recent loser doesn’t seem to me to be the best pick for that Kyl seat. I think this idea that combat veterans are automatically the best candidates and are unbeatable is false. Mandel in OH is an example of this.

    On top of all that–McSally sort of seemed flat footed on the campaign and on the vote counting issues although I think the consensus is she legitimately lost.

  209. Proud Obamacon says:

    Well there’s always Sheriff Joe! or Kelli Ward!! LOL

  210. Dylan says:

    I’m perplexed as to why the GOP was not able to win a single close senate race in the Mountain West. for sure work needs to be done in advance of 2020.

    I do think the SALT deductability issue is a real problem. The tax cut was a fake tax cut and that’s why it didn’t sell with the electorate. I would think there could be a bipartisan support for a fix but the GOP never passes real tax reform anymore. It’s all lipstick on a pig.

  211. mnw says:

    209 Dylan

    I think that your analysis is sort of post hoc ergo propter hoc thinking. If a handful of votes had changed (probably fraudulent votes at that), then McSally would be the putative future of the GOP.

  212. mnw says:

    LOL!

    Did you really? REALLY? Just split a gut laughing? Or are you just too dull to think of something original?

    LOL! Sad! (troll wit)

  213. Proud Obamacon says:

    “(probably fraudulent votes at that)”

    Yeah probably.. whatever. Got any evidence? mnw really showing how much of a sore loser he is.

  214. Dylan says:

    212–MNW–Did McSally’s campaign do anything affirmative to try and stop supposed fraud? It certainly wasn’t as aggressive as what the Scott campaign did. I want a real post mortem on why she lost–I haven’t seen anything coherent yet.

    “Putative future of GOP”–PAH-leeessse

  215. mnw says:

    Whatever happened to your greased hog lover Stacy?

    Voter suppression? Right?

    Sooo classy!

  216. mnw says:

    Dylan

    I just don’t know.

  217. Proud Obamacon says:

    mnw,
    see ya, sport.

  218. MichiganGuy says:

    Mia Love loses lead, Utah House race ‘likely’ to go to Democrat
    .
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mia-love-loses-lead-utah-house-race-likely-to-go-to-democrat
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………
    Mia should of shown Trump some love.

  219. MichiganGuy says:

    An actress has filed a restraining order against attorney and potential 2020 candidate Michael Avenatti, following his arrest last week on suspicion of felony domestic violence.
    .
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/actress-files-restraining-order-against-michael-avenatti
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    Avenatti strikes again. Avenatti 2020 lol

  220. lisab says:

    avenatti is done
    warren is likely done
    biden is doing poorly … apparently he has lost a step
    bernie or hillary might be the dems best bet

  221. Paul says:

    Bye bye, Love

  222. Tina says:

    Norte has an article about Faux News and there early House call going Drat, causing races to be lost out West. Interesting read.

    I also think we had a bunch of terrible to just ok candidates that never secured mail in votes. It is Curious that all seem to be breaking one way.

  223. Tina says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/11/19/did-fox-news-cost-gop-orange-county/

    Here is that article. Seems more interesting as to how Faux News has gone cn and n lite. They keep pushing Geraldine, Wallace, and Shepardly Smith. These “reporter” tend to lie frequently on air. Case in point, Shepardly Smith lied about no caravan.

  224. Cash Cow TM says:

    “What’s Love got to do, got to do with it?”

  225. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Bye bye, Love”

    bye bye happiness…

  226. Paul says:

    “Who needs Gary Hart, when Gary Hart can be broken.”

    It’s an oldie.

  227. jason says:

    I am changing the Philadelphia Police Commissioner’s name to Captain Obvious.

    Regarding 4 people found executed with shot to head in a basement.

    “Sadly, all four of these individuals were executed, there’s no ifs, ands, or buts about it,” Police Commissioner Richard Ross said. “This is an absolutely evil thing to do. . There is no way in the world people should have met their demise this way.”

  228. jason says:

    Had Proud ObamaCON conceded Georgia governor yet?

    Meanwhile, in his socialist paradise of Venezuela….

  229. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON berated Big Joe for admitting what everyone knew.

    The gun confiscating Marxist was going to lose in GA.

  230. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is why Mia Love(R-UT) lost her Congressional race.
    For the first time ever, Utah allowed same day registration on election day and over 9,000 were added to the Salt Lake County voter rolls on that day. Their votes were tallied last night and went to the Democrat 65/35.
    Same day registration is a terrible idea. It is riddled with fraud and heavily leans toward Liberal candidates since most new registrants are transitory college students.
    The GOP geniouses in UTAH who thought this was a good idea should be canned after apologizing to Mrs. Love for her loss.

  231. lisab says:

    mia love only has herself to blame.

    she did not campaign as hard as she needed.

    most of the gop that lost close ones, lost because they did not understand the rules of provisional, early and mail in ballots and did nothing to get their votes in

  232. NYCmike says:

    “The GOP geniouses in UTAH who thought this was a good idea should be canned after apologizing to Mrs. Love for her loss.”

    -Those dang “fascists!”.

    Between same-day and mail-in voting, any Republican who is a proponent of such unsecured methods should be replaced by someone with a brain.

  233. Wes says:

    Lisa, my incoming Congressman, Mark Harris, seemed to understand those factors very well and organized early so as to overcome the national anti-GOP tide.

  234. Wes says:

    I’m all right with early voting though I don’t use it myself simply because it’s obviously not going away and isn’t rife with potential fraud.

    As for same-day registration and mail-in balloting, oh, hell no. Both are unverifiable and lead to potential fraud far in excess of any moderate benefit they may achieve.

    Of course Mikey would rather have the Tea Party choose all representatives in a convention rather than deal with the pesky voters.

  235. NYCmike says:

    Of course……..

  236. NYCmike says:

    Thread’s dead, baby…..

  237. NYCmike says:

    In regard to “CG”‘s bean counting yesterday, I just saw a note about the number of veterans in Congress….it said Republicans lead by a 2-1 margin.

    I guess we are over-represented by that group…..

  238. Robbie says:

    The trade wars are working their magic on the stock market!

    MAGA!

  239. Robbie says:

    If you look closely, you see Republicans in Congress beginning to ever so slightly tiptoe away from Trump. Before the election, they supported every crazy attack he made. Since the election, that hasn’t been the case. For instance, when Trump disgustingly attacked Admiral McRaven, Republicans issued statements of support for the admiral rather than back up Trump.

    It will be interesting to see if this becomes more prevalent in the coming months as Trump faces investigations and a continued low approval rating.

  240. bio mom says:

    Due to trade wars?. It is the tech and social media stocks causing this havoc.

  241. NYCmike says:

    Every time Robbie speaks about the stock market, it reminds me to drive when I go on vacation.

  242. NYCmike says:

    I’ll bite: what did Trump say about McRaven?

  243. NYCmike says:

    Seeing something now – so Trump responded to someone else going after him.

    I see no issue with criticizing someone in the military.

    I do see a problem in that Trump can’t NOT RESPOND to McRaven going after him. He will test my prediction of expecting a change out of him in the next 2 years.

  244. NYCmike says:

    McRaven: “”I stand by my comment that the President’s attack on the media is the greatest threat to our democracy in my lifetime. When you undermine the people’s right to a free press and freedom of speech and expression, then you threaten the Constitution and all for which it stands.” ”

    -McRaven, along with people like Robbie and “CG”, don’t mention the danger to our democracy (republic) when the media is a part and parcel of one political party at the expense of the other.

  245. NYCmike says:

    McRaven is wrong in his statement.

    Trump is wrong to respond.

  246. JeffP says:

    I have no doubts the globalist elite establishment of both parties will take down Trump in 2020. It doesn’t matter who the Dems run…There is no way they will ever allow him to be elected again. The Mueller witch hunt and the constant MSM attacks will pale with what is going to be unleashed on DJT in the coming months and election season. Just look at the stock market today…with the false assertions of a coming recession…wth? The FED will keep raising rates to slow down economic growth. John Kasich is getting ready to run third party for the moral good of our country… knowing he will not win but take enough votes away from Trump in key states in the process. I am getting sick of all this craziness and corruption…the media is completely off the rails…it is going to be painful to watch for sure knowing that this will be the end of what could have been a good rebound for the USA. I sure hope RBG has to retire in the next few months…out.

  247. Brandon says:

    Hyde-Smith is going to end up pulling a Roy Moore, isn’t she?

  248. gameboy says:

    #247

    I hope you are wrong, but am afraid you are correct. You can already see it in what they are reporting. Very sad.

    #248

    The media are certainly doing their part to make Hyde-Smith into Roy Moore II. Amazing what they will do to twist what was totally just a silly comment.

  249. NYCmike says:

    “Hyde-Smith is going to end up pulling a Roy Moore, isn’t she?”

    -“My man” McDaniel put a hex on her?

  250. Dylan says:

    Some GOP Senate candidates are just so awful every cycle and then we get stuck with a loony left wing Dem for 6 years! Akin, Mourdock, McDonell, Hyde-Smith—when are these morons going to learn to steer clear of anything controversial in deep red states. When is the last time Republicans won a deep blue state on a lark–Scott Brown–that’s probably the last time it happened and that was 8 years ago.

    247–if so, I hope Trump goes down fighting. BURN IT DOWN.

  251. jason says:

    The real reason Amoral Scumbag and CG want a primary challenge to Trump.

    “President Trump will be weakened in the 2020 general election if he first has to face a challenger during the GOP primary, according to RealClearPolitics Washington bureau chief Carl Cannon.

    “These guys, if they get challenged, they soften up the president,” Cannon told Hill.TV’s Joe Concha in an interview that aired Tuesday on “What America’s Thinking.”

    “To this day, Jimmy Carter blames Teddy Kennedy for losing to [former President] Reagan in that 1980 challenge,” he added.

    Cannon pointed out that a primary challenge means a president’s campaign team needs to fundraise and spend money that would otherwise be designated for the general election.

    “These campaigns are tough. You say negative things about the person, so independent voters remember them,” Cannon said.

    “When George H.W. Bush was running, Pat Buchanan gave him a scare in New Hampshire, but he brought up that taxes issue,” Cannon added. “To this day, conservative Republicans will tell you, ‘Oh, yeah, he lost on the taxes.’ Well, the exit polls didn’t show that, but Buchanan softened him up, and [former President] Clinton beat him.”

  252. jason says:

    I stand by my comment that the President’s attack on the media is the greatest threat to our democracy in my lifetime. When you undermine the people’s right to a free press and freedom of speech and expression, then you threaten the Constitution and all for which it stands.” ‘

    Except it’s not free.

    It’s rotten to the core. Biased, partisan, bought and paid for by left wing interests.

    It’s group think. Pravda would be proud.

  253. Phil says:

    253 Absolutely on the money, Jason.

  254. jason says:

    What is hilarious to me is that the Jebbots approve of the MSM’s sordid campaign against Trump because they don’t like Trump.

    They are too stupid to understand that if Nikkey Haley or Jeb were President, the MSM would be engaging in the same despicable attacks on them too.

    But I guess the ends always justify the means.

  255. jason says:

    How about Kelli Ward in Arizona? Should she get preference over a man if McSally doesn’t get chosen to replace Kyl?”

    No. She is a dingbat deadender moron.

  256. jason says:

    Meanwhile over at ProudObamaCON’s socialist paradise…

    “Around 80 percent of Venezuelans are now short of food, according to the new data compiled by NGO Human Rights Watch on Tuesday.

    Following a trip to the Venezuelan border with Brazil by a team of health experts from John Hopkins University, researchers found that malnutrition continues to rise aggressively, with 80 percent of households unable to access enough food and rates of malnutrition among five years now over the World Health Organization’s crisis limit. In 2017, the average person lost around 11 kilos (24 pounds). In 2016, that number was 19 pounds; it is expected to have risen in 2018.

    Combined with chronic malnutrition, the report also points to the scale of the collapse of the country’s health system, with practically every major health condition ranging from tuberculosis to malaria reaching crisis levels. For example, the number of malaria cases has risen from 36,000 in 2009 to 406,000 in 2017, while 87 percent of HIV patients now do not receive their necessary drugs.”

  257. marc says:

    I call them Bushbots. There’s a certain segment of Bush RINOs who cower in fear of their own shadows if a liberal looks at their direction. The same DC vulture class Republican tried to sink Kavanaugh over nonsense but the Senate GOP pushed through and won.

  258. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    248. “Hyde-Smith is going to end up pulling a Roy Moore, isn’t she?”

    To claim they have the same issues is ludicrous. Moore was a total perv, while Hyde-Smith made a questionable comment.

  259. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    232. “mia love only has herself to blame. she did not campaign as hard as she needed. most of the gop that lost close ones, lost because they did not understand the rules of provisional, early and mail in ballots and did nothing to get their votes in.”

    Republicans turned out, but thanks to Trump, Democrats and anti-Trump independents turned out as well.

    In Utah, here is the party breakdown: Republicans 47%; No Party 36%; 13% Republican. The state votes heavily Republican, but the voters are know to be very independent. They have elected Democrats in very Republican seats.

    The Utah 3rd district is probably the most Republican district in Utah; yet Democrat Bill Orton represented it from 1991-1997. I knew bedrock Republicans who always voted for him.

    McAdams was probably the strongest candidate the Democrats could have run, one reason he won was his personal popularity.

  260. marc says:

    Oh god, the liberals, their media hacks and the jellyfish Republicans are desperate to make Mississippi a race. Alabama has an even worse candidate and the liberal Democrat barely won with 50,000 votes.

  261. marc says:

    Let’s be honest, race had something to do with Mia Love having a tenuous grip on the district. She just could not run up the type of numbers in rural and suburban Utah to offset the urban STL progressives

  262. Brandon says:

    #259. The point was whether they were both going to blow slam dunk seats in the Deep South.

  263. jason says:

    McAdams also pledged not to vote for Pelosi.

  264. jason says:

    It wasn’t 50,000 it was 21,000. The little Marxist union hall lawyer had 671k vs. 650k for deadender Moore.

  265. marc says:

    Also Love wasn’t has high profile has you would think the lone black female republicans would be. You barely saw her on conservative media, building up a national profile and following

  266. marc says:

    Even more shocking how close Moore got, considering how creepy he was.

  267. jason says:

    Doug Jones might as well vote 100% moonbat like Heitkamp, he is toast.

    Of course, the deadenders could always renominate a Roy Moore, they are never to be underestimated.

  268. jason says:

    Actually I never thought Moore was “creepy”, that was the MSM spin. I am always extremely suspicious of 40 year old allegations brought forth by the MSM
    right before an election.

    He is an arrogant ass who thinks he is above the rule of law and the Constitution and should have never been even allowed to run as a Republican after he lost his seat on the AL Supreme Court not once but twice for failing to obey the law.

  269. marc says:

    Hasn’t Jones been doing that? It’s good, it’s no pretending with him. Straight down the line liberal vote and hope you get all the blacks and a quarter of the white vote to eek out a victory. But that’s tough during ha Presiential year has Scott Brown learned.

  270. phoenixrisen says:

    (Sigh). Seeing this latest stupid statement (I won’t call it a gaffe because it was not an off the cuff remark, it was willful) by Hyde-Smith makes me wonder how in the world there are such stupid candidates and people in political office. Any Hedgehogger could be a better public servant than some of these talking points reciters/people living in elite bubbles than the real world among common folk. Good grief.

  271. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    262. “Let’s be honest, race had something to do with Mia Love having a tenuous grip on the district. She just could not run up the type of numbers in rural and suburban Utah to offset the urban STL progressives.”

    Was this a serious comment?

    There are four counties in the Utah 4th Congressional District. Two of the counties are rural:
    Juab County where Love pulled 80% of the vote; Sanpete County where Love pulled 73% of the

    Utah County (urban), Love pulled 73% of the vote.

    In Salt Lake County McAdams, who is County Mayor, pulled 54% of the vote. About 85% of the vote in the 4th district is from Salt Lake County, so he was able to pull off a squeaker.

    The Utah 4th congressional voters heard a lot about McAdams, as County Mayor. He is famous for scuttling the proposal to place a Facebook Data Center in Salt Lake City, because he opposed that fact Facebook was getting $195 million in tax breaks.

    Salt Lake County voters heard about McAdams all the time, and he was popular; Mia Love was an obscure congress member they heard little about. But they heard a lot about Trump. Unlike Romney and Congress member Curtis, Love did not publicly separate herself from Trump enough.

  272. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The GOP Felony Caucus has prevailed in their election contests. Collins in NY CD-27 won by about 1,000 votes and Hunter in CA CD-50 by approximately 10,000.
    Maybe in the next election, the GOP should run indicted felons in Orange County, CA to get their momentum back!

  273. SoHope says:

    The GOP has controlled redistricting in Utah for God knows how long. Salt Lake City is in the middle of the state. The fact that there is a swing district in Utah with 3 other seats being blowouts is political malpractice. In 2020 they better have all 4 districts take a small bite of SLC and put this crap to rest.

  274. Wes says:

    Gary Herbert made the UTGOP draw UT-4 as a somewhat marginal district to ensure Jim Mathewson wouldn’t launch a run for Governor in 2012.

  275. Wes says:

    On the other hand, on 1-8-19, Ron DeSantis (R-Lucky) can reshape the FL Supreme Court and let Republicans redraw the FLCD.

  276. jason says:

    One of the surprising results in this election to me was DeSantis getting more votes than Scott. Maybe the ballot design explains it.

    But I would have bet big bucks Scott would have won by a bigger margin than DeSantis, or lost by a smaller margin.

  277. jason says:

    The Jebbots are not on the same page:

    Amoral Scumbag (still pining for Jeb Bush)

    “Credible is someone who can defeat Trump and potentially win the general election. That means someone like Mitt Romney or Nikki Haley. It doesn’t mean Kasich, Corker, Flake, Sasse, or someone like that.

    Corey (still pining for Jeb Bush)

    “I suggest that against whomever the Democrats are likely to nominate for President, that Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Bob Corker, Jeff Flake, and Ben Sasse would *all* have a greater chance of victory than Donald J. Trump.

    Here is where they are both wrong. None would win a GE. None would have a chance of winning the blue collar vote that Trump got to win the election. Weak bleatings of “well they might do better in the suburbs” are meaningless… Dole, McCain and Romney romped in the suburbs, still lost.

    Unless something major changes, it’s Trump or bust.

  278. Wes says:

    I’ve never understood counting the Trump coalition as the be all-end all of Electoral politics. Trump barely beat Hillary in three critical states with this coalition because she ignored the states before the election and came under FBI investigation a week before the election.

    The Trump coalition turned out this year. Republicans still lost control of the House. That doesn’t bode well for 2020, when Hillary won’t be Trump’s opponent.

    Republicans need to reclaim the suburban vote Dems clobbered them in this year, or once again it won’t matter if Trump gets his blue-collar base to the polls. Since Trump is still the same person as on the day before the election, I see slim chance of his victory in two years.

  279. jason says:

    “the GOP should run indicted felons in Orange County”

    They are not indicted felons. They are indicted on felony charges.

  280. Messy says:

    257. Who in the Democratic Party thinks Madero’s Venezuela is a “Socialist paradise?” I cannot find a one.

  281. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron continually lives up to his name. Dems have been hailing Venezuela for years as some kind of utopia.

  282. Wes says:

    Republicans have now lost almost half their female Congresspeople. Oh, yes. The Trump-era stereotype of a party dominated by aging white males is really going to be an electoral boon in 2020. 🙄

  283. jason says:

    There is no voter fraud…

    “Prosecutors have charged nine people in Los Angeles for allegedly bribing homeless people on Skid Row to get their signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office announced Tuesday.

    According to prosecutors, the defendants allegedly offered homeless people $1 and/or cigarettes for false and/or forged signatures on the petitions and voter registration forms.

    The alleged offenses played out hundreds of times during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    The defendants are facing a dozen felony counts, including circulating a petition with false names; use of false names on a petition; voter fraud, registering a fictitious person; and registering a nonexistent person.

    The charges were filed three weeks ago, according to the L.A. Times, but were first made public on Tuesday. The Los Angeles Police Department’s investigation into suspected election fraud on Skid Row began earlier in the year.”

  284. jason says:

    Messy the Moron continually lives up to his name.”

    wes, I know it doesn’t matter anymore these days, but Messy was born a female before gender was eliminated.

  285. jason says:

    Trump barely beat Hillary in three critical states with this coalition because she ignored the states before the election and came under FBI investigation a week before the election”

    Zzzzz… he won didn’t he? In three critical states which no other R would have won. And he won not because of Comey but because the blue collar vote showed up massively for him, especially in the rust belt and upper midwest. In fact in PA the suburban vote around Philly was worse for Trump than it was for Romney, but he still overcame the 300k deficit Romney had against Obama.

    And of course “came under FBI investigation a week before the election” is a complete and utter falsehood, she was actually completely cleared by Comey before the election.

    “Reclaiming the suburbs” is a fake panacea. It’s not enough to win, it wasn’t enough for Romney, Dole, or McCain. You need a new dynamic.

    Maybe wes is right that Trump will have trouble winning in 2020. But he wrong if he thinks Rs don’t need the same coalition that won in 2016 to show up again.

    And I am not convinced the coalition “showed up in 2018”. The 2018 results were a combination of factors. The PA gerrymandering, the retirements, local issues, and of course the hysterical MSM meme that the world would end if Rs prevailed certainly played a part beyond Trump’s personality.

  286. Wes says:

    Jason’s slobberingly homoerotic man crush on GWB has completely destroyed his reason. Of course he won. The circumstances aligned for him to beat a poor opponent under FBI investigation who scarcely campaigned at the end by the narrowest possible margin.

    If those exact circumstances replicate in two years then Trump will win. They won’t, so, yes, there are issues to address.

    Of course I would recommend looking at turnout numbers from this year. Republicans got their vote out. It just wasn’t enough. Good luck with winning the same way as in 2016 when Hillary isn’t Trump’s foil and the Dem actually campaigns in the Midwest without suffering under the taint of an FBI investigation.

  287. sandiegocitizen says:

    274. A ballot measure to establish an independent redistricting board passed by a small margin in Utah. It is likely Utah will get another congressional district after the next census. Trying to cut Salt Lake County five ways like a pizza to attempt to create five safe Republican seats would have looked comical. It likely would have backfired.

  288. lisab says:

    beto orourke: saudi arabia must be held accountable. there must be consequences. there must be justice.

    so you’re saying it is bad to flee the scene in order to avoid justice and being held accountable for your crimes?

  289. Paul says:

    Are you taking your meds, Lisab?

  290. Phil says:

    Yeah, Beto does have a slight double standard.

  291. Messy says:

    Trump and Pompeo’s kowtowing to Salman and son does NOT make America Great “Again.” It makes it less so.

  292. Phil says:

    No one cares about that, Messy.

    I do love me some low oil prices, however.

  293. Paul says:

    I’m in agreement with the top Republicans of our nation: Graham, Rubio, Romney, Corker, Paul. The President’s statement on Saudi Arabia is reckless and dishonest. He lifts up a murderous regime and smears the American resident journalist with his obvious lies.

  294. Paul says:

    Trump wants us to ignore the grisly dismemberment of a legal resident American journalist. We are to ignore this act, so that we as a nation can sell more arms to Saudi Arabia. Well, this is what our arms to Saudi Arabia have wrought. Over 85,000 children under 5 likely have died of starvation in this Yemen war.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/20/watch-rand-paul-right-left-movement-coming-together-to-end-unauthorized-wars/

  295. Paul says:

    Mitt Romney
    ?Verified account @MittRomney

    America can’t excuse & minimize the brutal & gruesome murder of Jamal Khashoggi, a US resident & columnist. Our country is defined by human values, by principle above convenience, & by commitment to morality. We must subject the perpetrators of this outrage to withering sanction.

  296. Tina says:

    Why did Quittens excuse the Saudis on 9/11?

  297. Tina says:

    And the same question for Mute 43 and the GOP-e.

  298. Albert Hodges says:

    In what world and crazy heads are “Graham, Rubio, Corker, Romney and Paul” the top republicans of this nation? Only Corker didnt run for president, the rest did and lost their asses. Corkey couldnt even win re-election to the senate and retired this year to avoid his own embarrassment.

    President Trump did NOT defend any murder of ANYONE. What he did do was stay the course he has set this nation on that defends our nation’s interests and our key allies in the Middle East. Like FDR did in WWII with the leaders of USSR.

    God bless our President Trump who defends life in the womb, defends working families, the rights of a Christian people to worship God and who is working hard to get us out of all foreign entanglements in a systemmatic and measured way that doesnt leave the ME worse off than before.

    Plainer that the nose on your face.

    MAGA!

  299. Diamond Jim says:

    CCC

  300. Marco Rubio says:

    Friends, Thank you for your thupport!

  301. Paul says:

    Albert Hodges: You are so funny!
    “Trump defends life and rights?”
    I don’t think so. I think you are deeply confused.

  302. Paul says:

    Tulsi Gabbard
    ?Verified account @TulsiGabbard

    Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”

  303. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2018 at 6:54 pm
    The real reason Amoral Scumbag and CG want a primary challenge to Trump.
    “President Trump will be weakened in the 2020 general election if he first has to face a challenger during the GOP primary, according to RealClearPolitics Washington bureau chief Carl Cannon.
    “These guys, if they get challenged, they soften up the president,” Cannon told Hill.TV’s Joe Concha in an interview that aired Tuesday on “What America’s Thinking.”
    “To this day, Jimmy Carter blames Teddy Kennedy for losing to [former President] Reagan in that 1980 challenge,” he added.
    Cannon pointed out that a primary challenge means a president’s campaign team needs to fundraise and spend money that would otherwise be designated for the general election.
    “These campaigns are tough. You say negative things about the person, so independent voters remember them,” Cannon said.
    “When George H.W. Bush was running, Pat Buchanan gave him a scare in New Hampshire, but he brought up that taxes issue,” Cannon added. “To this day, conservative Republicans will tell you, ‘Oh, yeah, he lost on the taxes.’ Well, the exit polls didn’t show that, but Buchanan softened him up, and [former President] Clinton beat him.”

    – The day Mad King Don, Jason fraud’s hero, is no longer president will be a great day for the country simply because he is no longer president.

    Donald Trump is a scumbag and Jason fraud would gladly lick his balls if asked to do so because Jason fraud threw away whatever integrity he had simply because Mad King Don accidentally won.

  304. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2018 at 7:10 pm
    What is hilarious to me is that the Jebbots approve of the MSM’s sordid campaign against Trump because they don’t like Trump.
    They are too stupid to understand that if Nikkey Haley or Jeb were President, the MSM would be engaging in the same despicable attacks on them too.
    But I guess the ends always justify the means.

    – Watching Jason fraud echo Tinfoil Tina’s comments is something that would shock 2015 Jason fraud.

  305. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 20, 2018 at 7:08 pm
    253 Absolutely on the money, Jason.

    – The debasement of the presidency is ok because grievances need to aired and settled.

  306. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 20, 2018 at 9:19 pm
    Actually I never thought Moore was “creepy”, that was the MSM spin. I am always extremely suspicious of 40 year old allegations brought forth by the MSM
    right before an election.

    – One of the best moments at HHR in 2017 was Jason fraud offering his unconditional support to good ole Roy who molested teenage girls. And when confronted with the fact good ole Roy molested teenage girls, Jason fraud yells “but muh liberal media”.

  307. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:56 am
    Here is where they are both wrong. None would win a GE. None would have a chance of winning the blue collar vote that Trump got to win the election. Weak bleatings of “well they might do better in the suburbs” are meaningless… Dole, McCain and Romney romped in the suburbs, still lost.
    Unless something major changes, it’s Trump or bust.

    – Jason fraud, whose brain was removed and the empty space was filled with a bucket of spit, continues to repeat this ridiculous spin that only Mad King Don can get the blue collar vote. It’s as stupid as Jason fraud’s claim that Republicans would only lose 20 House seats and the close races would go to the Republicans.

    I get it though. The Trump or die crowd, of which Jason fraud is a member, have no other argument for Mad King Don other than to scare people into believing only a lunatic who ought to be in a mental institution can win. It’s garbage. All of it.

    Trump’s presidency is toxic. The country just gave the Democrats the largest midterm win since Watergate. They won the House national vote by almost 8 points. That happened solely because of the stupid idiot who is president that Jason fraud worships. And if Mad King Don is on the ballot in 2020, Republicans will suffer another blowout loss like the one they had two weeks ago.

    Of course, all Jason fraud the Trump droolers care about is their orange moron.

  308. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    November 21, 2018 at 9:06 am
    I’ve never understood counting the Trump coalition as the be all-end all of Electoral politics. Trump barely beat Hillary in three critical states with this coalition because she ignored the states before the election and came under FBI investigation a week before the election.

    – Don’t bother offering Jason fraud facts. He’s in MAGA land now. Reason has left his feeble thought process.

  309. Robbie says:

    The post-election period has been a disaster for Trump. He’s become more irrational and he’s lashing out more and more. He seems to realize the election was a disaster and he’s squarely in the bull’s eye for investigations. And now, it’s not only him, but his vapid daughter who has no business whatsoever being a presidential advisor (but her emails!).

    On top of that, Trump probably notices what is quite apparent. Republicans in Congress since the election have been far more willing to criticize Mad King Don than they were before the election. Funny what happens after a party suffers an electoral wipeout.

    And if the stock market continues to slide and the economy even briefly pauses in 2019, poor Mad King Don will see his already low job approval rating fall and he’ll become even more vulnerable to a primary challenge than he already is.

    With any luck, Trump won’t run again. Jason fraud might cry, but the vast majority of the country will breathe a sigh of relief.

  310. Tina says:

    Has Muh Russian now replaced by Muh Saudi Arabia?

    The Jebots need another conspiracy.

    They are loons.

  311. Phil says:

    For the record, investigations for what exactly?

  312. michael corleone says:

    I think the post election period has been a disaster for Robbie since his prediction of complete destruction did not come to pass.

  313. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    310. “The post-election period has been a disaster for Trump. He’s become more irrational and he’s lashing out more and more.”

    Speaking of irrational and lashing out. Robbie, its a total description of you. Every one of you posts are filled with venom against Trump. I hope your a troll, because that would explain your constant and obsessive posting against Trump. If your a not a troll…Yikes!

  314. Tina says:

    Translated Rottie

    I am mad that Trump did not shut up and is hitting the leftist loons harder.

  315. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is really showing the “best” side of the devout Catholic that he says he is.

  316. Tina says:

    Emotive the Jebots parrot the kos talking points.

    Muh stock market.

    Muh racist

    Muh economy

    Muh tone down

    These “themes” filter down from Chief loon to the kos bots.

  317. Tina says:

    Forgot Muh investigations.

    I guess Fuhrer Mulehead (comedy) have not done any investigations of trump since 2015, or 2011?

  318. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “I guess Fuhrer Mulehead (comedy) have not done any investigations of trump since 2015, or 2011?”

    Mueller has had two years to get Trump, and has failed. Its time to bring in a pro like Maxime Water.

  319. Brandon says:

    Looks like Valadao is going to end up losing in CA-23. Makes it a 40 seat gain.

  320. Phil says:

    319

    Now that’s some really good sarcasm. Well done.

  321. Messy says:

    304. “st.” Ronald Reagan nearly wrested the nomination from President Gerald Ford. What’s the Difference. Had it not for the Iranian Hostage thing, Kennedy would have won the nomination in a walk.

    Chief Justice Roberts just handed Trump’s hand to him.

  322. Tina says:

    Yes, Mulehead has had 2 years.

    But the investigation began in 2015. Set up by the obumbler, rice, the commie, etc.

    So, make it at least 3 years.

    But I would bet $ on Obumbler investigating trump since 2011.

  323. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 21, 2018 at 6:04 pm
    310. “The post-election period has been a disaster for Trump. He’s become more irrational and he’s lashing out more and more.”
    Speaking of irrational and lashing out. Robbie, its a total description of you.

    – Says the guy who spent the last year laughably claiming Rasmussen was a credible poll and attacking me for suggesting more than a year ago Republicans could lose more than 40 House seats. How’d that work out for you, SDC?

    Trump is a scumbag who is doing serious harm to the Republican Party and the conservative movement. If you call that irrational or if you feel me trying to warn that Trump was leading the party to a terrible loss as we just suffered was irrational, then so be it. That’s still better than believing Rasmussen was a credible poll.

    But by all means, deflect away from the horrible period Trump is experiencing. Ignoring what was happening the last two years was such a productive strategy.

  324. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 6:12 pm
    Translated Rottie
    I am mad that Trump did not shut up and is hitting the leftist loons harder.

    – Does the mental institute give you a personalized tongue depressor for your shock therapy sessions?

  325. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    November 21, 2018 at 6:23 pm
    Robbie is really showing the “best” side of the devout Catholic that he says he is.

    – And you continually show that the Tea Party is composed of a bunch of morons who don’t care one bit about winning winnable elections. By the way, did your boy Chris McDaniel actually concede his loss this time, or is he still trying to show that Thad Cochran cheated in 2014?

  326. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 6:26 pm
    Forgot Muh investigations.
    I guess Fuhrer Mulehead (comedy) have not done any investigations of trump since 2015, or 2011?

    – Hey, dummy. Remember how you said the Mueller investigation was going to be over by Thanksgiving……of last year?

    Remember how you said in April 2017 Mike Flynn would never plead guilty and cut a deal with Mueller?

    Remember how you said last December the GAO had broken the law by giving Trump’s transition emails to Mueller? I do. How that’s lawsuit you said was a surefire winner going?

  327. Tina says:

    Yes, rino Roberts really hit him, mslsd.

    The same rino that gave us Obumbkercare,

    The same Rino overseeing the Fisa Court.

    Yes, that Rino. A bushie that could go right, but often goes left.

  328. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:10 pm
    Yes, Mulehead has had 2 years.
    But the investigation began in 2015. Set up by the obumbler, rice, the commie, etc.

    – Ah yes. Another pathetic conspiracy theory offered up by the tinfoil hat wearer at HHR.

    Remember when you said in March Evelyn Farkas had proven the investigation was fake and it would end soon?

  329. Tina says:

    I triggered the conspiracy loon.

    Run along, time for you to build some paper planes.

  330. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 21, 2018 at 5:48 pm
    For the record, investigations for what exactly?

    – Ivanka’s emails. Proving she and her family are the dumbest people on Earth, they used a private email server after spending 2016 campaigning against Clinton for using a private email server. She emailed back and forth with cabinet officials and claims no classified information was on those emails. Maybe, but Hilary Clinton said the same thing in March 2015 at the UN when that story broke about her. How did that claim work out for her?

  331. Tina says:

    Remember when you said in March Evelyn Farkas had proven the investigation was fake and it would end soon?

    I think you are hallucinating.

    Like, Papadope wore a wire.

    And trump does not want pence.

  332. Tina says:

    Yes, let’s investigate ivanka.

    Include the emails when she was not in gubment.

    Her mentioning her personal schedule and her grocery list, should be a hoot.

    Ask Schitt if there are any male nude pics.

  333. Tina says:

    I am so glad that Invanka destroyed the emails to.

    She used Beach bit 5.0 to do so.

    Maybe the Russians helped her destroy them.

    Or are we on to the Saudis?

    Maybe the Council on Foreign Relations can help us figure this out.

  334. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:22 pm
    I triggered the conspiracy loon.
    Run along, time for you to build some paper planes.

    – I’ve been triggered by your disgusting conspiracy theory peddling for years. You need mental help and I’m not kidding about that. Anyone who thinks Gateway Pundit is a real news source needs serious help from a professional.

  335. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm
    I am so glad that Invanka destroyed the emails to.
    She used Beach bit 5.0 to do so.
    Maybe the Russians helped her destroy them.
    Or are we on to the Saudis?
    Maybe the Council on Foreign Relations can help us figure this out.

    – You have to be well versed in Internet forums to understand the anti-Semitic code words Tina just used.

    Council on Foreign Relations = Jews

  336. Tina says:

    Anybody who thinks kos is a real news source needs serious help. Make your appointment now.

  337. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    I think you are hallucinating.
    Like, Papadope wore a wire.
    And trump does not want pence.

    – Bless your heart.

    Which Russian Twitterbot that you follow told you this?

  338. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:30 pm
    Anybody who thinks kos is a real news source needs serious help. Make your appointment now.

    – Poor, Tinfoil. She thinks I read Kos. Wrong, but thanks for playing conspiracy theorist.

    Have you received any new talking points through your microwave lately?

  339. Tina says:

    – You have to be well versed in Internet forums to understand the anti-Semitic code words Tina just used.

    Council on Foreign Relations = Jews

    when all else fails, the Jebots go that route, or race bait.

    Like good democrats.

    Btw, what kind of wire did Papadope wear?

  340. Robbie says:

    I’m still waiting to find out if Rasmussen has offered any explanation about why they were laughably wrong about the 2018 election.

    They said Republicans +1, but the actual margin is going to be at least Democrats +8.

  341. Tina says:

    And then when caught red handed, the kos bot lies about Papadope.

    I wonder who lies more, Clinton groupie or the Jebot?

  342. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    – You have to be well versed in Internet forums to understand the anti-Semitic code words Tina just used.
    Council on Foreign Relations = Jews
    when all else fails, the Jebots go that route, or race bait.
    Like good democrats.
    Btw, what kind of wire did Papadope wear?

    – Honey, and I mean that with every bit of condescension possible, you’re not fooling anyone. Your out of the blue reference to the Council on Foreign Relations doesn’t fool anyone. It was very clear what you were trying to accomplish.

  343. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    And then when caught red handed, the kos bot lies about Papadope.
    I wonder who lies more, Clinton groupie or the Jebot?

    – It’s so sad to watch Trumpists like Tinfoil rely on a guy like Papadopolous who has already pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. Talk about dragging the bottom of the barrel. Of course, I have no doubt it will get worse as the news gets worse.

  344. Tina says:

    – Honey, and I mean that with every bit of condescension possible, you’re not fooling anyone. Your out of the blue reference to the Council on Foreign Relations doesn’t fool anyone. It was very clear what you were trying to accomplish.

    Jebot goes full conspiracy.

  345. Tina says:

    bot?

    – It’s so sad to watch Trumpists like Tinfoil rely on a guy like Papadopolous who has already pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. Talk about dragging the bottom of the barrel. Of course, I have no doubt it will get worse as the news gets worse.

    But you told us he wore a wire.

    Did you forget?

  346. Robbie says:

    Tina is proof it’s not smart to wear a tinfoil hat near an operating microwave.

  347. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #336- Robbie
    You are deranged and I demand that you cease and desist calling Tina or anyone else on this blog, other than Bunu, an anti-Semite
    I am a member in good standing of the Tribe and resent your speaking for me and other Jews about imaginary dog whistle words or terms.
    Tina is categorically not what you say or think she is and calling someone an anti-Semite is a notch below someone being one.
    You are on notice about this and an immediate and sincere apology from you to Tina is warranted.

  348. Tina says:

    I think we have a tie between the Jebot and the Clinton groupie, as to wh lies the most.

    I did,not,think a tie was possible.

    In lieu of coin flipping, we will flip a guac bowl. One side has clintons face, and the other side has Jebs arse.

    Schiff versed that it is jebs arse.

  349. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm
    #336- Robbie
    You are deranged and I demand that you cease and desist calling Tina or anyone else on this blog, other than Bunu, an anti-Semite
    I am a member in good standing of the Tribe and resent your speaking for me and other Jews about imaginary dog whistle words or terms.
    Tina is categorically not what you say or think she is and calling someone an anti-Semite is a notch below someone being one.
    You are on notice about this and an immediate and sincere apology from you to Tina is warranted.

    – LOL.

  350. lisab says:

    If your a not a troll…Yikes!
    ——————————-

    Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists

    Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response. — psychology today

  351. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm
    I think we have a tie between the Jebot and the Clinton groupie, as to wh lies the most.

    I did,not,think a tie was possible.

    – If you want to talk about a lie, let’s talk about how you spent a year and a half laughably claiming you were for John Kasich even though you mocked him throughout the campaign and never said and still haven’t said a single bad word about your man crush Trump.

  352. Tina says:

    Grassley just slammed Rino Roberts.

    Grasley reminded him that Roberts said nothing when the Obumbker attacked the SC, alito.

  353. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:09 pm
    If your a not a troll…Yikes!
    ——————————-

    Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists

    Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response. — psychology today

    – I remember when you said I was gay.

    Trump trolls like you are just, sad pathetic people.

  354. Tina says:

    Rino Roberts should be more worried about fixing the Fisa court and the abuses from the Obumbler regime.

  355. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Follow
    You just can’t win with the Fake News Media. A big story today is that because I have pushed so hard and gotten Gasoline Prices so low, more people are driving and I have caused traffic jams throughout our Great Nation. Sorry everyone!
    4:36 PM – 21 Nov 2018

    Yea down 85 cents in my locale.

  356. lisab says:

    i said i thought you were gay, now i think you are just incel

  357. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:17 pm
    i said i thought you were gay, now i think you are just incel

    – OMG! You figured me out. Don’t tell anyone.

  358. lisab says:

    i’m pretty sure everyone thinks that

  359. Robbie says:

    People who have spoken out against Trump this week:

    – Chief Justice Roberts
    – Admiral McRaven
    – General Stanley McChrystal
    – Former AG Alberto Gonzales
    – Senator Bob Coker

    People who have spoken out in support of Trump this week:

    – Jeanine Pirro
    – Sean Hannity
    – Jabob Wohl
    – Jason fraud

  360. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:24 pm
    i’m pretty sure everyone thinks that

    – There’s nothing I enjoy more than watching Trump shills and sycophants like you barfing up code words like “incel” and thinking that matters one iota.

    By the way, you and Tinfoil said Trump had an easy case against the GAO and Mueller for obtaining his transition emails last December. How did that case go?

  361. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    331. “– Ivanka’s emails. Proving she and her family are the dumbest people on Earth,”

    Robbie, you attack a Jewish family, call them the dumbest people on earth, then claim others are anti-Semitic.

  362. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:30 pm
    331. “– Ivanka’s emails. Proving she and her family are the dumbest people on Earth,”

    Robbie, you attack a Jewish family, call them the dumbest people on earth, then claim others are anti-Semitic.

    – Ha ha! Deep breath Ha ha! Deep breath. Ha ha!

    Nice try, Rasmussen fan. Creative, but still laughable. “A” for effort. “F” for being laughable.

  363. Robbie says:

    And by the way, SDC.

    I attacked a family of grifters who have no business playing a central role in the governance of the country for committing the very same dumb act that they mocked for a year and a half during the election.

    Of course, you know that, but you feel obligated to defend anyone who defends Trump so that’s why you sprang to Tinfoil’s defense even though she has played her game in this forum for the last several years.

  364. Tina says:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/21/border-troops-authorized-use-force/?cache

    Military authorized to use force against the invaders.

    That is not newsworthy.

  365. Tina says:

    Family of grifters.

    Stop making fun of the Bushes, or your chia pet, the Clintons.

  366. Phil says:

    Oh no. Not Corker too. OMG

    Is he still supporting Bredesen for his senate seat? W sure are going to miss you, Bob.

  367. Tina says:

    What did Mullah Corker think when the Saudis (you know who) were ushered out of the us, after 9/11.

    Assisted by Fuhrer Mulehead btw.

  368. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:41 pm
    Oh no. Not Corker too. OMG

    Is he still supporting Bredesen for his senate seat? W sure are going to miss you, Bob.

    – He was a darn good Senator, but in today’s Republican Party fealty to Trump is all that matters. Although, the last week or so suggest his iron grip on the party is weakening.

    And he never supported Bredesen and voted for Blackburn.

  369. Tina says:

    Mccrystal did a heck of a job in Afghanistan.

    Heck of a job, brownie.

  370. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:44 pm
    What did Mullah Corker think when the Saudis (you know who) were ushered out of the us, after 9/11.

    Assisted by Fuhrer Mulehead btw.

    – Oh, good. Tinfoil’s finally getting to the “fire can’t melt steel” phase of posting here.

  371. mnw says:

    Troll city r us, HHR.

  372. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:45 pm
    Mccrystal did a heck of a job in Afghanistan.

    Heck of a job, brownie.

    – He did. He was fired for mocking Biden. Something I bet you supported at the time, but just go with the lies. They’re more fun, right?

  373. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:46 pm
    Troll city r us, HHR.

    – I know! After you disappeared for several years only to return as a pro-Trump populist, I knew you were a troll.

    By the way, I thought you said you were taking a sabbatical from this forum after the election?

  374. Robbie says:

    MAGA! The populist revolution of Trump and Bannon has done wonders in the land of Reagan.

    Mark Z. Barabak
    @markzbarabak

    If David Valadao falls in #CD21, Republicans will have just SEVEN of California’s 53 House seats. Seven.

  375. Phil says:

    He went out of his way to heap praise on Bredesen at a time when that campaign was even. It was so glowing that Bredesen even used it a campaign ad to try and get Republicans to cross over which was the only way Democrats could win in Tennessee. Corker knew exactly what he was doing when he did it.

    Chuck Schumer was delighted. Control of the Senate was at stake, and Corker knew it.

    Good riddance to Corker and Flake. Don’t let the door hit you……

  376. Tina says:

    Yup good riddance to those two corrupt Senators.

    Btw, Quittens really helped Mia Love.

  377. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:52 pm
    Good riddance to Corker and Flake. Don’t let the door hit you……

    – Yeah. Trump chasing Flake from the race and opening the door for Sinema was great.

  378. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:53 pm
    Yup good riddance to those two corrupt Senators.

    Btw, Quittens really helped Mia Love.

    – You supported Corker in 2006 and 2012 and Flake in 2012, but they didn’t bend over and take it in the butt from Trump so now you hate them, but you were totally a Kasich supporter in 2016.

  379. Tina says:

    watch your pets around the Flakeys.

    See Flakeys son who should be in jail.

  380. Phil says:

    Trump chased Flake? LOL He was at 19 percent approval and toast. Extremely unpopular before Trump ever got elected. Try again.

  381. Tina says:

    I supoorted Clinton in 2016. Full frontal.

    Jebot

  382. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm
    Trump chased Flake? LOL He was at 19 percent approval and toast. Extremely unpopular before Trump ever got elected. Try again.

    – Gee, Phil. I wonder how Flake got such a low approval rating in a party that has shown almost total fealty to Trump. It couldn’t have been from Trump spending a year or more attacking Flake for not being subservient to him, could it? Regardless, ending up with Sinema was just part of Trump’s 3D chess game I guess.

  383. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    November 21, 2018 at 8:58 pm
    I supoorted Clinton in 2016. Full frontal.

    Jebot

    – Bless your heart. I opposed both Trump and Clinton. And in 2020, I am going strenuously oppose Trump and whoever the Democrat nominee is once again.

  384. Phil says:

    Once again, Flake was toast before Trump was elected in 2016. That’s a fact. He did it to himself.

  385. Tina says:

    You need to ask the Az Rs why flakey got a low approval.

    Maybe, it was praising obumbler, like you do Hillary.

  386. Tina says:

    i wonder who hires Flakey first.

    The mullahs or the Chinese?

  387. mnw says:

    The troll owns you. It’s HIS blog now.

  388. Tina says:

    He meets the qualifications.

    Poor speaker

    Chrony capitalist.

    Susceptible to bribes from foreigners.

  389. Phil says:

    Flake will have a new gig at CNN in short order. He will be the idiot flavor of the month, extremely useful. McCain is gone. The competition for top useful idiot will be intense between, Flake and Kasich. Navarro, Schmidt, and Nicole Wallace will have to decide amongst themselves who to follow.

  390. Tina says:

    Yup, cn and n or mslsd (with real fake R Mika Scarfarce) are other options.

  391. Tina says:

    And a book deal too

    How Trump cost me my Arizona Senste Seat.

    Because a Jebot or two will buy it.

  392. Phil says:

    Yes, I didn’t mean to leave out Joe. Forgot about him.

  393. Tina says:

    MSNBC and cnn are my two favorite networks.

    Jebot

  394. Bitterlaw says:

    As a lawyer, I am glad Roberts toldTrump to F off. I like an independent judiciary.

    Yeah. I said it.

  395. Cash Cow TM says:

    I do not think anyone else bothered to check which pollsters were the worst in key senate races so Cow is doing it:

    MO
    Actual Final Results: Hawley +6
    NBC News/Marist McCaskill +3
    ____________________________________
    MI
    Actual Final Results: Stabmenow +6.4
    Gravis………….Stabmenow +13
    _________________________________
    MT
    Actual Final Results Testicle +3.1
    HarrisX……………Testicle +6
    ______________
    FL
    Actual Final Results….Scott +0.2
    Quinny………Lord Nelson +7
    ___________________
    TN
    Actual Final Results Blackburn +10.8
    East Tennessee State University TIE
    ___________________
    INDIANA
    Actual Final Result Braun +5.9
    FAUX News ……..Donnelly +7
    _______________
    NV
    Actual Final Results Rosen +5
    Trafalgar Group (R) [the] Heller (you say) +3
    ____________
    WV
    Actual Final Results Manchin +3.2
    WSAZ-TV (10/12 – 10/19) Manchin 16
    _____________
    For some reason all the pollsters pretty much nailed ND
    Actual Final was 10 for the R and all the polls said 9 for the R

  396. Bitterlaw says:

    Quick thoughts:

    Robbie is not an anti-Semite.

    Tina is not an anti-Semite.

    Trump should have sent a stern letter to Saudi Arabia. Or a tweet with angry emojis.

    Tina is no longer a Republican but gets to decide who is a RINO.

    I don’t know if Robbie gets news from KOS but I know Wes gets his anti-GWB script from there.

    Jason’s llama is transitioning to an alpaca.

  397. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow is exhausted.

    Cow is heading for bed.

    Walt and Cow wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
    ***********************************************
    Either eat the turkey, or be one!

  398. lisab says:

    Voter-ID approved in North Carolina!!!!

  399. Bitterlaw says:

    Walt is getting ready for Thanksgiving. After more than 400 years, he still carves the turkey.*

    *Wes to point out the Pilgrims probably did not eat turkey, Washington proclaimed it a national holiday in 1789, Jefferson did not celebrate it, and Lincoln made a Federal holiday in 1863 in 3,,,2,,,1,,,

    I just wanted to make fun of Walt for being really old.

    CD

  400. lisab says:

    Judge dismisses female genital mutilation charges in historic case

  401. lisab says:

    Papadopoulos Must Go Directly to Prison, No Delay, Mueller Tells Judge

  402. lisab says:

    robbie has posted 25% of this thread

  403. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    WOW!!! Whatever Chuck Grassley(R-IA) has been eating and drinking over the past few months, I want some! Boy, does he have brass ones!

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3707699/posts

  404. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Happy Thanksgiving y’all!!!

  405. Cash Cow TM says:

    Michelle Obama leads Trump by 7?

    Cash Cow could lead Trump by 7…
    A stock of celery could led Trump by 7…

  406. Paul says:

    Barbara Bush could beat Trump.

  407. Robbie says:

    I here to fight for a while. Who’s ready?

  408. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    November 21, 2018 at 9:06 pm
    The troll owns you. It’s HIS blog now.

    – How is your populist revolution going?

  409. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    November 21, 2018 at 11:35 pm
    Quick thoughts:
    Robbie is not an anti-Semite.
    Tina is not an anti-Semite.
    Trump should have sent a stern letter to Saudi Arabia. Or a tweet with angry emojis.
    Tina is no longer a Republican but gets to decide who is a RINO.
    I don’t know if Robbie gets news from KOS but I know Wes gets his anti-GWB script from there.
    Jason’s llama is transitioning to an alpaca.

    – I would call this post perfection. Most of it anyway.

  410. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    November 22, 2018 at 1:19 am
    robbie has posted 25% of this thread

    – That means 25% of this thread is right on the money.

  411. Robbie says:

    Paul says:
    November 22, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Barbara Bush could beat Trump.

    – If Trump’s approval rating on election day 2020 is as low as it is now and the race is a traditional two-way one (no significant third party like 1992), the opponent won’t matter that much. Trump will very likely lose. Job approval is the key indicator.

    Trump would probably need his job approval rating to be 48% or so going into election day and then hope the polling error all works in his favor to have a chance. But how likely is it that Trump’s job approval rating will be that high in two years? Outside of the first few days of his presidency, it hasn’t been above 45% and that number lead to a massive loss two weeks ago.

  412. Robbie says:

    Jonathan V. Last
    @JVLast

    The reason R’s should panic about 2020 is that it isn’t that the Trump voters didn’t show up for ’18. They showed up. It just turns out that everyone else hates the GOP now. This will not end well for Republicans.

  413. Paul says:

    Has Trump’s communication team completely abandoned him? He’s getting a bit more off the rails that usual.

  414. Robbie says:

    Paul says:
    November 22, 2018 at 10:26 am
    Has Trump’s communication team completely abandoned him? He’s getting a bit more off the rails that usual.

    – Trump realizes the elections were a disaster for him and he’s in a weak position. He’s a cornered animal right now and feels the only way out of this predicament is to fight with everyone and every thing.

    And the best way to know Trump knows he’s a in tough spot is he’s gone back to screaming about immigration. Whenever he’s in trouble, his go-to response is to talk about immigration and hope it keeps his shrinking base agitated.

  415. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    2h
    I’ve been reporting this on my show since the #Khasgoggi story broke. There was never any confirmation that he was a permanent resident of the U.S.. The MSM fabricated that narrative to bash Trump. Literal #FakeNews. twitter.com/doranimated/st…
    View details ·

    No doubt he was a Saudi intelligence officer with likely ties to Bin Laden.

  416. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    3h
    – 2010, Barack Obama rebuked the SCOTUS justices at the SOTU – 2012, Obama slammed the “judicial activism” of SCOTUS and lower courts John Roberts never said a word in defense of the judiciary. I now move Roberts over to the liberal faction of the court. We’re 5-4 again.
    View details ·

    Souter lite.

    Another Bush phuq up.

  417. Paul says:

    The more Trump attacks Roberts and the judiciary (9th circuit court), the more you’ll see Roberts moving to the center.

    So, for that, I thank you President Trump.

  418. Paul says:

    Trump looked like a lonely angry man this morning at his press conference in the dimly-lit southern White House. Has his family abandoned him as well this Thanksgiving. Poor guy.

  419. Tina says:

    Pass the bong, Cory.

  420. Paul says:

    Roberts over to the “liberal faction”

    liberal faction = American constitutional values

  421. Bitterlaw says:

    Roberts is not a liberal. He should have criticized Obama. He also should have criticized Trump.

  422. Victrc says:

    To all my fellow HHR family,

    May each and every one of you have a happy and blessed thanksgiving. I hope it’s full of joy, love and time spent with your families.

    I know I’m Thankful for all you, and that means all…even the eyesores, messy, Obamacom and census. Every family has its share of agitators, but on this day we can agree that we are thankful to live in such a country where we can all openly debate with freedom. I know I’m thankful for that and for Dave creating this site.

    Take care and happy thanksgiving

  423. lisab says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    7h7 hours ago
    More
    HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL! EVEN THE HATERS AND LOSERS!
    ———————————–

    nice that trump remembered robbie

  424. Robbie says:

    I love that when a reporter asked Trump what he was thankful for, he responded he was thankful for all of the good he’s done for the country.

    What a narcissist. Now wonder Jason fraud likes him. Also, is Jason fraud raking the forest today to prevent fires?

  425. Scooterboy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving !!!!

  426. lisab says:

    rip jfk

  427. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Comedy has been subpoenaed.

    Arrest his arse if he does not testify.

  428. Tgca says:

    Here’s wishing most here on HHR a HappyThanksgiving.

    Now go enjoy yourself some tofu turkey.

  429. Wes says:

    I always wonder how long it will be till Tgca dies of malnutrition.

  430. Wes says:

    If Comey fails to show up House Dems in the next Congress will probably sweep it under the rug.

  431. lisab says:

    he can lie all he wants too … who will prosecute?

  432. Tina says:

    Maybe, comedy has already been indicted by Huber?

    Just a thought.

    Other than that, congressional subpoenas have no teeth in them.

  433. lisab says:

    tina,

    in this environment, expect every decision to be 100% political on party lines

    the dems are untouchable no matter what they say

  434. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    433. “I always wonder how long it will be till Tgca dies of malnutrition.”

    Consider what he eats, that may be a blessing. He will find bliss in that eternal hamburger joint in the sky.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

  435. Paul says:

    9th circuit court is occupying Trump’sbrain rent-free.:)

  436. lisab says:

    Kaitlin Bennett
    ?

    @KaitMarieox
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    On this Thanksgiving, I’m so sorry for personally taking away Native land and I feel terrible for the things I definitely, personally did. I hold myself responsible for what happened 100s of years ago and will be shaming myself all day for being white.

    Lmao jk enjoy your turkey

  437. Tgca says:

    I so pigged out all day. I had 2 quarts of egg drop soup from my fav Chinese restaurant. 1/2 quart of homemade veggie soup from my favorite Jewish deli, 8 egg and cheese wraps and 3 hash brown servings from Dunkin Donuts, a Coke Zero, a large iced French Vanilla Macchiato, a vanilla cashew health bar, and a scoop each of cheddar, caramel, and butter popcorn.

    …and that’s how we do Thanksgiving in south Jersey folks.

    P.S. Did I mentioned I watched 4 Redbox movies and took 2 naps before venturing out to Walmart and spending $250 on goodies including a new Roku, Wireless Air Jbuds, comfy flannel PJs, shirts, various hoodie pullovers, and comfy lil slippers. God! I love Walmart!

  438. lisab says:

    Coke Zero?

    it tastes like feet

  439. Tgca says:

    How do you know what feet taste like? You kinky lil B…

  440. lisab says:

    How do you know what feet taste like?
    —————————–

    it’s not my first rodeo

  441. Cash Cow TM says:

    “first rodeo”

    door strife
    roosted fir
    fired roots
    I, forest rod

  442. Cash Cow TM says:

    frosted Roi

  443. lisab says:

    Trump Signs Order Closing Border With Mexico, Authorizing Lethal Force

  444. Paul says:

    He didn’t sign anything closing the border. What’s your source?

  445. Paul says:

    He threatened to close the border. I don’t think that threat means a whole lot. Sounds like he moslty wants to make it so that “Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States.” As he said this morning.

  446. Tgca says:

    4 Cuatro
    5 Cinco
    0 Cero

  447. Paul says:

    Q says Justice Roberts is a caged animal about to be taken down. And that is why he’s lashing out at Trump.

    Paul says Q is nuts.

  448. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    441. “I so pigged out all day. I had 2 quarts of egg drop soup from my fav Chinese restaurant. 1/2 quart of homemade veggie soup from my favorite Jewish deli, 8 egg and cheese wraps and 3 hash brown servings from Dunkin Donuts, a Coke Zero, a large iced French Vanilla Macchiato, a vanilla cashew health bar, and a scoop each of cheddar, caramel, and butter popcorn.”

    My hunch is there were some breakfast sausages in there Tgca is not admitting. Maybe a counter person looked at him and realized he needed meat, and so spiked his tofu.

  449. lisab says:

    He didn’t sign anything closing the border. What’s your source?
    ———————-

    it is an article on bloomberg. similar headlines on cnn etc.

  450. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Who said Al Gore was not a role model:

    “Clearly worried about climate: UN environment chief resigns after $488,000 travel bill On one occasion, “he made an eight-hour trip from Washington DC for a weekend in Paris, before taking another flight to New York City.”

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    451. “Q says Justice Roberts is a caged animal about to be taken down.”

    He has lifetime tenure. He will be Chief Justice long after Trump is gone.

  452. Tina says:

    Comedy to resist subpoena.

    Jebots will continue to resist.

  453. Tgca says:

    So Hillary thinks we’re all stoopid and need to be told what to do, right? …and the left thinks Trump’s a threat to democracy? Geez! Well, far be it for me to judge this skank, but doesn’t she sound like the one advocating authoritarian rule?

    “The whole American system was designed so that you would eliminate the threat from a strong, authoritarian king or other leader and maybe people are just tired of it,” Clinton added. “They don’t want that much responsibility and freedom. They want to be told what to do and where to go and how to live . . . and only given one version of reality.”

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/brexit-europe-open-borders-populism/2018/11/22/id/891688/

  454. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump………43%
    Black Friday..57%

  455. Tgca says:

    I guess everyone is out at Walmart shopping. Why else is this place so dead on Black Friday morning?

  456. Paul says:

    lisab: The Bloomberg headline is “Trump Says He Closed Mexican Border and Authorized Lethal Force”

    That is quite different from “Trump closing the Mexican Border.”

    Trump says a lot of things that aren’t factual.

  457. lisab says:

    the headline has changed then, since i copied and pasted it

  458. lisab says:

    MEN WITH MUSCLES AND MONEY ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO STRAIGHT WOMEN — newsweek
    ——————————–

    this is news?

  459. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    462. “MEN WITH MUSCLES AND MONEY ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO STRAIGHT WOMEN — newsweek ——————————– this is news?”

    Yes, it is news to the liberal media, which believes the young are attracted to girly, none-gendered men and dislike “toxic masculinity.”

    By the way the full study states: “Muscles and money are qualities that straight women and gay men typically find attractive in men.” They should add: “straight women are more attractive to gay men with muscles and money that wispy millennial straight men.”

  460. Paul says:

    As far as I can tell, people and goods are still traveling through all border entry points in a normal fashion. But, things are slowed down at Tijuana because of the asylum seekers.

  461. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    463. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGoXyXiwOBg

    Wes your amazing! You found a video of Robbie.

  462. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    464. Meant “then” not “that” Spell check has its quirks.

  463. Cash Cow TM says:

    42% Trump
    50% Dead Squirrel
    8% undecided

  464. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    468. Is it is right wing or left wing dead squirrel?

  465. Wes says:

    RRH is having a debate on farm subsidies. One of my favorite former Senators—Jesse Helms—once explained to the eminent Thomas Sowell why such subsidies are permanent:

    Helms told Sowell the good Senator could not hold his seat and continue to vote the right way in Congress if farmers—a big portion of the GOP base—became agitated at the loss of their subsidies; thus Helms had to continue to support what his base wanted to keep a liberal Dem from winning.

    We saw such an occurrence in the 1986 South Dakota Senate race when Jim Abdnor, having just survived a bruising primary with Governor Bill Janklow, was filmed saying farmers would have to accept lower prices for awhile.

    This undermined some of Abdnor’s rural support, helping Dem Congressman Tom Daschle make inroads into Abdnor’s base and win 52-48 in the election. Daschle would serve in the Senate till former Congressman John Thune narrowly ousted him in 2004.

  466. Wes says:

    Sadly since the New Deal (1933-1940)—and to a lesser degree before that since the Progressive Era (1901-1921)—Americans of various stripes have become enamored of government subsidies and will actively oppose any politicians seeking to remove them.

  467. Bitterlaw says:

    Just took our daughter to a Broadway show for her birthday. We saw Dear Wvan Hanson. Great show. We decided to not take our a second mortgage to buy Hamilton tickets (but we really want to see it). We will go to the 9/11 memorial museum tomorrow.

  468. jason says:

    Jason fraud, whose brain was removed and the empty space was filled with a bucket of spit, continues to repeat this ridiculous spin that only Mad King Don can get the blue collar vote.”

    Well, we know for a fact that Romney, Dole and McCain didn’t get it.

    And Nikki Haley wouldn’t either.

  469. jason says:

    One of the best moments at HHR in 2017 was Jason fraud offering his unconditional support to good ole Roy”

    Wow, Amoral Scumbag is really unhinged.

    I never supported Roy Moore, in fact I said I would never vote for him and that he should never have been allowed to run as a Republican because he had no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution.

    I said I hoped he would win by one vote to keep the little Marxist turd from winning. I also said if the charges against him were verified he should be kicked out of the Senate.

    “Unconditional support”.

    LOL

  470. Phil says:

    Haley might do SLIGHTLY better than Romney and McCain with the blue collar vote, but that’s a pretty low bar – not enough to get Michigan and Pa or Wisconsin IMO. She’d probably do better than Trump in the suburbs, but what did that get McCain and Romney?

    Frankly, I think Trump and Haley are both losers in 2020 although in different ways.

    Fact is, demographic trends being what they are plus the moronic millennials makes any Republican an underdog in any WH race from this day forward. I’ll keep voting Republican, but it is what it is. It’s just not the same country any longer. It will be some time before we turn completely into California, but that’s where we are headed.

  471. Walt says:

    Finishing up 2 weeks in Wisconsin to watch son’s farm and keep 3 grandkids while son and his wife went on a vaca to Iceland. They landed at MSP and are enroute home to the farm.

    Raining and 47 degrees outside here.
    A toasty 70 degrees inside here and I have not made a fire since this morning.

    Sorry for you HHR peeps locked in cold weather.

    More mud here than I want to see….

    Nothing else to report.

    Except Martinsburg HS football team (4o some straight wins) has dispatched irts semifinal opponent and will be heading to the state finals.

  472. Wes says:

    The problem with the Trump path to victory is that it worked because Hillary didn’t play well in the suburbs. Once Trump became President and irritated suburban voters they swung solidly against the GOP.

    Trump is still President and has shown no sign of changing his tone to appeal to the voters who swamped his coalition this year. That’s why I see minimal chance of his reelection.

    2020 will be a referendum on the incumbent. It will no longer be a choice between a brash blowhard and an entitled lazy solipsist under FBI investigation for violating national security.

    That’s a gigantic change in dynamics that in no way favors Trump.

  473. Tina says:

    8h
    In less than 280 characters, Chuck Schumer: • Criticizes partisan SCOTUS decisions • Criticizes Donald Trump for suggesting there are partisan SCOTUS decisions twitter.com/senschumer/sta…
    View details ·

  474. Tina says:

    Got to love Chucky Schumah. He prolly does not realize that he made trumps point.

  475. Dylan says:

    477–that all sounds about right at the present time. Is it too much to hope that there are grand strategists behind the scenes who understand what kind of coalition it is going to take in 2020 that have PULL to get it together in the next 18 months? or I guess the pendelum is going to swing to a far left fringe president–that should be interesting. and unpleasant.

  476. jason says:

    ecause Hillary didn’t play well in the suburbs.”

    Actually she did better in the suburbs than Obama did. That was true in PA, FL, even TX.

    Her problem was hundreds of Obama counties that switched to Trump, many of which were blue collar counties in the rust belt and upper midwest.

    2018 was a different dynamic than 2016. And 2020 will be a different dynamic from 2018.

    It’s too early to declare the election over.

  477. jason says:

    Sadly since the New Deal (1933-1940)—and to a lesser degree before that since the Progressive Era (1901-1921)—Americans of various stripes have become enamored of government subsidies and will actively oppose any politicians seeking to remove them.”

    Yep, and I think this is a much bigger problem than Trump.

  478. Bitterlaw says:

    475. Phil is right. The Irish only vote for Democrats. Blacks only vote for Republicans. The South is solid for Democrats. The North ast and New England have many Republican office holders. Trends never change.

    Oh wait.

  479. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “or I guess the pendelum is going to swing to a far left fringe president–that should be interesting. and unpleasant.”

    If you look at past history, presidents who have lost midterm elections have often been reelected. Am not into doom & gloom. Lets see how it plays out.

    American voters have an excellent habit of electing a majority of the opposition party to at least one house of Congress. It creates a system of checks and balances, and prevents one party from overreaching. It is what the Founding Fathers intended

  480. Wes says:

    Hillary May have done decently in the suburbs, Jason, but she still lost them. Dems manifestly did not lose them this year in a clear backlash against Trump. He needs to work on that, or he can start drafting a concession speech for 2020.

    It is good you admit 2020 won’t be the same as 2016 because the other day you were acting as if Trump’s 2016 victory were the paradigm going forward for American politics.

  481. Wes says:

    SDC, Ike, Clinton, and Obama won re-election after losing one or both houses of Congress in a midterm. Truman won a full term after a similar occurrence.

    Harrison, Taft, and Hoover did not.

    That would put Trump at best at 50-50 going into 2020. Of course Ike was enormously popular independent of his party while Clinton and Obama shifted gears after the midterms. Trump is no Ike and has shown no indication thus far of changing his perception among the American people. That says to me he’s more likely to be another member of the latter group than the former.

  482. Wes says:

    Jason, Forbes says Trump carried suburbia by 5 points whereas Romney had won the suburbs by 2, so I guess Hillary didn’t do better than Obama in the ‘burbs after all:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/11/22/donald-trump-clinton-rural-suburbs/#7874b5b338b5

  483. Cash Cow TM says:

    WVU lost to Oklahoma 59-56 in a shootout.

    No not basketball….football.

    Geesh.

  484. lisab says:

    That would put Trump at best at 50-50 going into 2020.
    —————————-

    he is roughly 50-50 at this point

    and

    no one should make the mistake of saying he will lose and declaring themself brilliant because they are correct if he loses in 2020. you have roughly a 50-50 chance of being correct.

  485. lisab says:

    a more practical question is which dem candidates will win the nomination

    and

    in a trump vs. dem nominee matchup have the advantage in the midwest.

    for example, i don’t think warren could beat trump, nor harris, nor cuomo

    but if he is up to it, biden could

    if the dems can run someone who is NOT from the two coasts or chicago, i think they have a great shot at winning. if the run someone from ny, ca, ma, vt or chicago i think they will lose.

    they need someone who can plausibly say they understand the midwest

  486. sandiegocitizen says:

    486. The Democrats also gained seats in Reagan’s 1st midterms, expanding their majority in the House by 26 seats. Reagan went on to a landslide reelection.

    The Republicans under Bush in 2002 gained a few seats, but it was right after 9/11. He then got re-elected in a close race.

  487. sandiegocitizen says:

    492. Saying this, agree what Wes and others have said, Trump needs to learn from the midterms and change his style.
    Its questionable if he is capable of doing so.

  488. dblaikie says:

    Frankly I have mixed emotions about Trump changing his ways. Part of me screams yes when I think of a number of tweets that plainly reveal some deep flaws. But through the months another part of me has developed a grudging admiration that here is one person, in the public light, who is not afraid to himself — warts and all. It is a rare paradigm in our culture. Harry Truman was not afraid to be himself, neither was Andrew Jackson. No doubt about it, Donald Trump in not being afraid to reveal his brash manner, his brittle ego, his tendency towards exaggerating his accomplishments, makes him unpopular with many. However on the flip side of the coin others see a person tough as nails, with a deep love for the country, a canny sense of business and despite his brittle ego able to take a bunch of punches and not be knocked out. In the words of the old line, “He may be a son of bitch, but he is our son of bitch.” Now I am honestly divided between a desire for him to change his ways, or just to keep being who he is — a flawed person, but one who has strength and talent.

    It seems to me he won’t change. If that is true than what he needs to do is govern in the areas he can and continue to fight. If he were to change one thing in the next two years, if the Dem. Congress goes down the road with endless attempts to ruin him, his family, and his allies turn his rhetorical fire power away from the Jim Accosta’s and to the do nothing Congress.

  489. sandiegocitizen says:

    493. Unfortunately when ones true self comes across as petulent and petty, its time for a make over. Think the public will support his strong stand on issues, its the cheap personal attacks that destroy his credibility.

  490. Wes says:

    Presidents re-elected after based midterms adapted to the situation and worked hard to both change the public perception of them and attract voters possibly leaning against them. Clinton began appealing to values voters and soft Republicans concerned the new Congress may be too zealous and austere in their budget reforms. Obama began luring women back into the fold and focusing on people who felt he had neglected the economy in favor of his expansive agenda back into the fold.

    Suburbanites and Indies turned off by Trump’s public boorishness went to the polls and overwhelmed Trump’s base—who did show up but couldn’t change the outcome.

    What has Trump done post election to indicate any attempt to mollify the groundswell of opposition to him in the general electorate? I know there’s plenty of time, but Clinton and Obama began IMMEDIATELY after their bad midterms to change things up and set the ground for reelection. If Trump keeps waiting he’ll end up playing catch-up. That’s not the place an unpopular incumbent wants to be in.

    That’s why I’m confident in declaring him a significant underdog for reelection and saying the current incarnation of Donald Trump is absolutely unelectable without Hillary as a foil.

  491. Tgca says:

    All this predictions of Trump’s demise is hogwash. Many here are just in self-pity mode and looking for someone to blame for the 2018 House loss. Well guess what folks? At some point Dems will win the House, and the Senate, and the presidency, as will the GOP. It’s historical precedent that power is shared back and forth. It keeps folks in check. The GOP squandered it opportunity in the mid 2000s and rightfully lost in 2006 and 2008. It screwed up again in 2017 and 2018 by not being as cohesive as they could have been…think Obamacare. This gives the GOP an opportunity to go back and regroup and focus. Many of the races lost were by close margins and by lazy or bad candidates. The House is within striking distance in 2020 if the GOP fields good candidates and focuses its spending.

    All I can say is that if not for Trump, the court would be packed with more lefties and that is a bigger threat to the union. Not one Republican other than Trump would have prevailed against Hillary in 2016 so get a grip.

  492. Cash Cow TM says:

    Some more polls:

    44% Trump
    52% A small bag of Cheetos

    42% Tump
    55% A medium sized bag of Cheetos

    39% Trump
    58% A large bag of Cheetos

    *************************************
    48% Trump
    49% An empty bag of Cheetos

  493. Wes says:

    For those thinking Nancy Pelosi will save Trump by overreaching, Congress went wild in 2007 and 2008 and was very unpopular. Since GWB himself was never popular during this time period but was in fact less popular than Congress, 2008 ended in a Dem rout of the GOP.

    For his legacy, Trump needs to change things up, or Trumpism as a political force is dead along with his career.

  494. Cash Cow TM says:

    Who on her would like to be appointed by Trump to work in the Trump administration?

    Cow–No way.

  495. Tgca says:

    Folks underestimate the Dem candidate. Hillary was considered crooked but that was not her reason for losing because many politicians have won under similar scrutiny. She lost because she was widely disliked and she lost men by just as wide a margin as Trump lost women, but she lost white women which hurt the most. I suspect that Kamala, Corey, or Pocahontas will do much worse because they are even more unlikable than Hillary. Kamala and Corey are racially decisive at heart and believe white folks need to be punished and put in their place. Indy’s are mostly white and will not embrace the anger from those lefties. Trump will turn out his base if he economy is similar to today. The Dem party has a big “Minorities Only” welome sign, at lleast by those of national recognition. It’s why the twit Cortes won in her district by displacing a loyal white Dem. White Dems, especially males are going to find out shortly how unwelcome they are in the Dem party and that will be a problem for them too. The Dems primary is going to be very ugly.

  496. Wes says:

    Tgca his every pro-Trump talking point in his post, all but the one about judges being absolutely fallacious. I’m sure Jason will soon to regurgitate the exact same hopeless gallimaufry of political pablum.

    SDC makes the single best case for Trump’s possible reelection on the blog. Even he admits Trump has work to do to have a shot at winning.

    The Trumpkins on here are a microcosm of their leader. Their behavior when presented by any argument hinting at Trump’s possible loss imitates his abrasive, bombastic style perfectly. Then they wonder why people not so attached to Trump as they are predicting at least the likelihood of his defeat in two years.

  497. Tgca says:

    500

    Devisive not decisive.

  498. Tgca says:

    Wes

    I’m not defending Trumps behavior. I’m defending his polices which has made him more successful than any POTUS this early in his term including Reagan the beloved of Nancy here who probably could not be elected in today’s environment.

    Many here are shocked that Dems won a midterm. They did, and there are many reasons to analyze and show why. Yes, some was Trump turnoff but much was the devastation of the GOP in CA that has been dying a slow death for 2 decades because they always field the WORST candidates and do little to no beneficial outreach? Numerous retirements by GOP where the GOP got cocky and did not plan to replace. PA redistricting by its Supreme Court.

    GOP also had surprise wins in some Dem districts so it does not explain why GOP lost in some areas and won in others. I think the Dems just played a better game and spent their money better.

    Trump got out his base but Dems did better with better funded candidates. Folks here seem to cry because Dem turnout was good. I think everyone should vote and both parties should fight for those voters. Hoping one side does not turn out so the other side wins shows only how weak one side is to begin with.

  499. Tgca says:

    503
    Beloved of many not Nancy…though that was true as well

  500. sandiegocitizen says:

    498. A big factor in the Democratic win in 2008 was the economy imploded. Bush and the Republicans were blamed (probably rightfully so) and the Republicans establishment has never recovered its credibility. Hearing Greenspan trying to explain what happened was pathetic. At least Trump has finally swept away the deadwood.

  501. Tgca says:

    I truly believe having the MSM against you 24/7 impacts voting greatly. No GOP POTUS previously had the cajones to stand up and fight them which is critical for long-term success. The MSM is now a working faction of the Dem party. If the GOP wants to win future races, they need to be prepared to fight the MSM tooth and nail and expose their political activism. If the MSM was balanced, I believe Trump would be 5 to 7 points higher.

    …and importantly, every election we go through this either on the left or right. When the signs are on the wall, politicians ignore them and continue as is, only to then after losing talk about the need to play a better game. I believe this happens because they like Hollywood elite are so insulated from what’s going on, they live in their fantasy world and think so highly of themselves that it clouds all rational thought. It appears very few really think they will lose after being in office for numerous terms.

  502. Tgca says:

    Do I believe Trump should tone it down a bit and not show so much anger? Sure, anyone in the spotlight should. Do I think he should stop fighting the MSM? NO! Absolutely not! He should challenge them daily and continue to expose their political activism. This helps with the GOP base.

    I do think that because Trump is NOT an ideologue like GWB or Obama, he has an opportunity to work and get bipartisan accomplishments. Now that may be a tall task if the House does not want to play but my gut tells me Pelosi will be willing to do some bipartisan work if she can keep the radicals in her party at bay. If this happens, then it’s good for the country and having a Dem House is not the end of the world. It’s also good for Trump.

    As odd as it seems, Pelosi now looks a bit more moderate compared to many of her fellow CongressCritters in her party. My gut feel is she wants to go out having some accomplishments and not having lost the House again because of radicals in her party. I think she will not seek to stay much longer because her health and faculties are clearly challenged by her age as she approaches 80. Not likely she can keep up with that schedule of majority leader much longer.

  503. Tgca says:

    Now that I have imparted my great wisdom and calming reassurance on some of you screeching drama queens who have yet to accept that elections don’t always go your way, I will depart HHR to do some badly needed chores. The house is a mess, as I still have much unpacking to do and I’ve not vacuumed in a week. Being the canine guardian of 2 wonderful, lovng, sweet b*tches, I can assure you the doggy hair is piling up all over the house. It’s times like this I regret not marrying and having that someone special to wait on me hand and foot, and keep everything tidy and clean.

  504. Wes says:

    No one said Trump shouldn’t fight, Tg. His problem is that he fights with everyone. The media despised Reagan fully as much as Trump. Reagan didn’t come across as a petty, thin-skinned jackanapes and never elevated critics to his level by taking personal swipes at them.

    He made his opposition look petty and childish and came away with a warm connection to people.

    Trump is incapable of what Reagan did. His endless fights with otherwise anonymous media mavens undermine his public standing and make his opposition all that more appealing.

    As far as the Dems and the House, the GOP lost 40 seats. There was more to the loss than poor candidates and better funding for the Dems—especially since Republicans lost seats such as SC-1 and OK-5. Those are the kinds of seats Republicans only lost in reactionary years like 2006 and 2008. To ignore Trump’s role in the midterms is to learn nothing and set up for failure in 2020.

  505. Tina says:

    Senate Intel Chair Says Russia Probe Won’t Be Ending Anytime Soon https://buff.ly/2TEI4Mj

    2
    3:00 PM – Nov 23, 2018

    Yes, more time wasted with this, Senator Blurr who chairs the most corrupt senate committee.

  506. jason says:

    Jason, Forbes says Trump carried suburbia by 5 points whereas Romney had won the suburbs by 2, so I guess Hillary didn’t do better than Obama in the ‘burbs after all:”

    Nice dodge, but I gave specific examples of suburban areas where Hillary did better than Obama.

  507. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    510. After losing the House to the Democrats, its very important that we begin attacking Republican senators and weaken them so the Democrats can take the Senate in 2020 too.

    The Republican Party used encourage a big tent inclusive of all Republicans; now it more resembles a rumble in an outhouse.

  508. Wes says:

    You’re almost Messy the Moron level stupid, Jason. While Hillary may have done better than Obama in specific areas, she lost the suburbs to Trump worse than Obama lost them to Trump overall. That’s doing worse than Obama overall.

    You can spin that as a dodge if you like, but if Hillary lost the suburbs overall by 5 while Obama lost them by 2, then despite bettering his performance in certain areas, she still performed worse than he did OVERALL.

    I know that’s hard for you to grasp, but that’s the way it is. She still had a worse overall performance than Obama in suburbs nationwide even if she improved on his performance in PA.

    Thanks for playing. Now go back to pleasuring your GWB blowup doll.

  509. Wes says:

    Burr is retiring in 2022, SDC. Don’t think the Deadenders won’t try to help the Dems flip that seat though even without his seeking reelection.

  510. jason says:

    I feel like Trump has no choice but to fight the MSM war.

    There is no way he can take the 24/7 bashing lying down.

    I have said before I don’t know if he can win it, the 2018 results may be an indication he is not, but I still think it has to be waged.

  511. Wes says:

    By the way, Jason, when I found the Forbes article I wasn’t looking to counter your argument. I was looking to see how well Trump and Hillary performed in suburban areas. When I saw Hillary actually had a worse performance than Obama nationally in suburbs your argument about her running better than Obama in the PA suburbs became moot as PA is just one state out of 50.

  512. jason says:

    he still had a worse overall performance than Obama in suburbs nationwide even if she improved on his performance in PA.”

    Ahh, so admit what I said was correct.

    And not only PA, I gave other examples as well.

    The suburbs of Houston and Dallas. Hillborough Co. in Florida.

    Thanks for playing.

    The nationwide numbers don’t tell the story. What is important is the suburbs in swing states.

    In many of these Hillary did better than Obama. The reason she lost these states nonetheless is that Trump killed it in the Exoburbs and in the blue collar areas where Obama had previously won.

    These are the facts.

  513. Florida Guy says:

    If she wins, this is why Cindy Hyde-Smith wins:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJsnYqYGJBI

    #mssen

  514. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    515. “I feel like Trump has no choice but to fight the MSM war. There is no way he can take the 24/7 bashing lying down.”

    I totally agree Jason. Trump should continue his attacks on the leftist press. Its when he goes off on other Republicans or at people that I will call “non-combatants” that he goes afoul. Trump needs to focus and target better; not shot buckshot at the world when he is having a bad morning.

  515. Bitterlaw says:

    We visited the 9/11 Memorial and Museum in New York was very moving. There are pictures of all the victims. There are small displays about a few people. The one that hit me the hardest was a guys’d softball jersey and a ball signed by his teammates.

  516. dblaikie says:

    It seems to me that all the negative talk about Trump is overblown. First his loss in the Midterms wasn’t abnormal in any sense by historical standards. Plus that loss was magnified by huge amount of retirements in the GOP Congress. Second his approval numbers, if you want to believe the polls is about 44 to 45% — hardly terrible numbers. In fact Rasmussen has him at 51% (yes I know they were off on the generic ballot). Third he has a base that is very loyal to him. Fourth he is going to have a huge war chest of cash. And finally you should never under estimate the power of incumbency and its ability to shape the news and events. I was so far off during the midterms that I am not going to give a percentage about his chances. In a theological sense I need to spend some time in HHR purgatory. But I do think this rushing to judgement about him is short sighted.

  517. lisab says:

    the only person to get more votes than hillary was obama

    she was hardly a bad candidate

  518. mnw says:

    FG 518

    Good ad.

    I hope it’s in wide circulation.

    Another reason? McDaniel endorsed her. It’s hard for me to envision McDaniels’ voters migrating to Espy. That would be like Sanders voters migrating to Trump.

    From the little I’ve read the DEMs aren’t spending money for Espy they way you would expect if they thought he had a real shot at winning.

  519. Hugh says:

    Go Irish!!

  520. Tina says:

    Trump will do 2 campaign events in Ms this week.ee

  521. mnw says:

    Tina

    2 on Monday.

    The msm are standing on their heads beating their “UPSET!” drums.

  522. Phil says:

    A&M beats LSU 74-72 in the highest scoring game in college football history. The funny part? LSU pays their defensive coordinator 2.5 million a year. A&M pays theirs 2.1 million. The two highest paid defensive coordinators in the NCAA.

    LMAO

  523. Tina says:

    Thanks mnw.

    Trump also tweeted this Am about the 2 events tomorrow.

  524. Wes says:

    It seems to me that all the negative talk about Trump is overblown. First his loss in the Midterms wasn’t abnormal in any sense by historical standards. Plus that loss was magnified by huge amount of retirements in the GOP Congress. Second his approval numbers, if you want to believe the polls is about 44 to 45% — hardly terrible numbers. In fact Rasmussen has him at 51% (yes I know they were off on the generic ballot). Third he has a base that is very loyal to him. Fourth he is going to have a huge war chest of cash. And finally you should never under estimate the power of incumbency and its ability to shape the news and events. I was so far off during the midterms that I am not going to give a percentage about his chances. In a theological sense I need to spend some time in HHR purgatory. But I do think this rushing to judgement about him is short sighted.

    In this case, Db, I think incumbency is a two-edged sword. It has its advantages, but at the same time, when someone is the incumbent the race becomes primarily about that person. Trump was able to win with Hillary as a foil. Can he do it without that advantage? As currently incarnated I say no unequivocally.

    Also, Trump’s loyal base showed up this year. The other side just swamped it. That suggests Trump and Republicans in general have much work to do.

    I get a reputation as a Nervous Nellie or Eeyore because I’ve said Trump currently is unelectable. I don’t make that judgment lightly, and I didn’t make it immediately after the election. Seeing Trump’s behavior right after the election led me to the conclusion. I believe he can win IF he begins to pick his fights more judiciously and begins to appear more presidential. Barring that, everything else is academic.

    An unpopular incumbent is almost always a recipe for defeat unless that incumbent stops doing the things that make him unpopular. Trump has shown no inclination or ability to do that.

  525. Wes says:

    Also, since Jason is stupid and thinks PA has the only suburban voters in the country, here’s a breakdown of the county vote of MI—2016’s most closely divided state by on the presidential level:

    https://www.npr.org/2016/11/08/501072126/michigan-2016-presidential-and-state-election-results

    Notice Hillary carried exactly ONE major suburban county: Oakland. She cleaned house in the big urban areas, but the MI suburbs voted for Trump. Just remember, though, Jason told us Hillary played better in the suburbs than Obama.

    It’s like arguing with a baby. No matter the actual facts, he just can’t admit he’s wrong.

  526. Tgca says:

    Wes

    So is your argument that you are concerned that Trump got more voters to turn out on both sides but the other side turned out a bit more in many jurisdictions and that’s why the GOP lost the House? I would think we would always want as much voter participation as possible. I think we should have 100% turnout. If the GOP loses because of voter turnout then that tells me it’s a GOP issue with good candidate recruitment or selling its message to voters. Hoping voters stay home or making it harder for them to turn out is why many try to tarnish the GOP with voter suppression. The GOP should try to get as much turnout as possible by recruitment and messaging but many in the GOP are stuck to the old ways as the world changes. There is much the GOP could do to sell its message and pick up votes but it just does not do it.

    CA is a perfect example. The GOP has destroyed itself in CA. Not Pete Wilson, not Bush, not Trump. I lived there for 20 years and watched how the lackluster GOP ran one bad candidate after another at every level until people just assumed every GOP candidate is a joke and gives them no serious consideration. The GOP outreach in CA is pathetic and they deserved to lose the state. The last time they won there Big was with the Governator in his 1st term…and why? Because he was an energetic personable guy who talked a good talk and got not only GOP and Indys but Latinos as well. Now he may have ended up governing differently but he knew how to sell a message to win.

  527. Tgca says:

    All politics are local and what sells in CA is not going to sell in TN. CA has many moderate and conservative pockets even though they are outnumbered at the state level. CA politicans are generally way left of their constituents but keep getting elected because they have convinced voters that the GOP is either radically right or out of tune with voters so the lefties are the obvious choice by default. Neither is true. It’s just the CA GOP is so lackluster and does not attract folks. I struggled with voting for many GOP while living there and I’m an avid believer in voting regardless of the expected outcome. Imagine for those less committed folks who would otherwise vote GOP in CA, and there are many I believe. They’ve all been indoctrinated that the GOP can’t win so why waste my time and resources. This is the GOP main problem in CA and applies to other places as well. This has been building up since at least the early 90s.

  528. Tgca says:

    I would love to see a group of GOP Senators or governors dedicate themselves to one year of nonstop outreach to AA and Latino communities. Do constant outreach. Open offices in the neighborhoods. Have a presence locally continuously. Be in that community non-stop. Flyover visits will never do any thing to change hearts and minds as folks see through that. It would be hard work. There would be much opposition. Criticism of claims of trickery. It would be slow hard work but even if the GOP got 3% more of the AA vote, it would be tremendous strides and make it hard for the radical left to continue using those folks.

    But my guess is the GOP will NEVER do this because they don’t have the fight in them or wish to work that hard and therefore those communities sense that and will NEVER relate to the GOP. If a community senses you’re really trying to help, you will slowly start to win some over.

  529. jan says:

    “Lackluster” certainly applies to the CA Republican Party. John Cox, for instance, ran an almost defunct campaign – one having little spark, and riding on the lucky happenstance that a republican even made it on a general election ballot.

    Secondarily, CA is saturated with election practices making it easy for fraud to impact races without too much notice. For instance many of the close congressional races were won by R candidates, but suddenly overturned afterwards by last minute provisional ballots that were overwhelmingly submitted by dems (surprise, surprise) .

  530. JeffP says:

    Trump has branded the GOP as the anti globalism party to some extent. But the Bush and Romney clan is desperate to take it back and will do everything in their power to do so. If that means running Kasich as third party to weaken Trump at the expense of D winning in 2020 so be it. These globalist are evil people. They do not care about you and me and our future…power and their agenda is all that matters to them. If Trump was a better communicator of his philosophy he would be winning the argument. A national TV address on the border, immigration and this caravan would be a great thing…don’t know why he wouldn’t do it.

  531. JeffP says:

    I agree that if Trump and the GOP can do better significantly with AA that could be a game changer.

  532. jan says:

    There has been greater outreach, IMO, by the current administration. For instance, people like Candace Owens have been very vocal, actively informing and encouraging the black community to align itself with a party promoting independence rather than the seduction of dependence that is the mother’s milk provided by the dem party.

    Nonetheless tgca, you do make some very valid points.

  533. jan says:

    It would serve Trump’s message if he were to go to the border during Christmas, to both give moral support to the troops as well as augment his resolve for securing the border.

  534. jan says:

    To think I once seriously considered Kasich for the 2016 presidency!

  535. Tgca says:

    The outreach has to come from the top though and it has to be genuine. The GOP has to commit itself to wanting to help local communities, not just talking about it. Focus on jobs and education. Create learning workshops and bring in career job fairs. Encourage companies to come in the communities for a career day. Expose folks to avenues of training. Focus money on local community colleges and trade schools to build skills that can be more easily applied as opposed to a 4-year college degree that is out of reach or interest for many. These are things that help. Not speeches from DC or state capitols. Sure they cost money but it’s money well spent considering the alternative costs to society.

    The GOP has a unique opportunity to help but will it? The Romneys and Bushes will never care about the poor or achieving such results regardless of their canned speeches from lofty pedestals. They care about family name and status and pedigree. I don’t think Trump is overly sympathetic either but what he cares about is success and accomplishments and doing the undoable or prevailing where others fail to try. That’s where he can succeed. I don’t mind feeding his ego as long as he produces.

  536. Tgca says:

    I think the GOP has to accept a changing landscape and have a big tent approach. Focus on the core values (economic growth and freedom, education, security) of the GOP and what that means and then sell it. The GOP needs to better identify and groom younger leaders for the future and force the old white fogeys to step aside when it’s beyond their time. The McCains of the GOP world are self-centered and stay on until the bitter end because they adore the spotlight, denying a new generation that is more suited to outreach and identifying with changing demographics. Sorry to say but the average GOP gathering does look old, white and privileged, and not representative of most communities, and that makes it hard to attract a younger diverse demographic open to many of the GOP ideas. Younger folks ate growing up in a more diverse environment so they’re used to friends and peers of different race, religion, and sexuality. Unfortunately, these are areas that many in the GOP are still not comfortable fully embracing. It does not imply bigotry across the board but it does suggest a discomfort that others easily sense so why join the GOP ranks. I find many Dems to be bigots but often they are not perceived that way because they do better outreach and diversity inclusion which offsets any such perception.

  537. jan says:

    Tgca, Trump has been attempting to do those very things. He has brought in private companies who have committed themselves to providing apprenticeship programs, internships in their companies, paid training, and going into high schools to recruit interest as well as people in considering these options after graduation. He has also voiced support for trade school education etc.

    But, he’s only been in office less than 2 years, with lots of headwinds to any policies he proposes. It’’s proving to be very difficult to progress with good ideas and programs implementing them when the press doesn’t cover them, along with the opposition doing nothing but opposing them.

  538. jan says:

    Both parties have old people headlining them. Unfortunately, for the dems, many of the new faces have an ultra liberal ideology ingrained in them. As for the R’s, their messaging seems stale, even if the ideas being expressed are good ones.

    Somehow, while the optics of a diverse crowd always plays well in the media, I continue to look for content over skin color. If the content is sincere, shows opportunity for those who want it, and is marketed well it will hopefully engender more of a common interest rather than just targeting certain constituents.

  539. Wes says:

    No, Tg. My argument is that while Trump inspires deep passion in many voters he alienates many more. That wasn’t a factor except in states such as NV and NH in 2016 because Hillary had more glaring flaws as a candidate than Trump had.

    Once Hillary ceased to be Trump’s foil he became the focus as well as a huge detriment to the GOP. We saw this in VA last year and the various congressional races this year.

    For example, the GOP ran the Trumpiest possible candidate in SC-1–a district no Dem had won since Carter was President. Trumpism didn’t play well, and Dems won a seat no Dem has any business representing. Further, exit polls said Trump was a factor in many people’s votes. They went overwhelmingly for the Dems.

    The problem starts with the President and his consistently poor approval ratings. Other factors played a part of course. Poor candidate recruiting along with poor allocation of resources (ahem, VA-10) were also factors.

    Keep reciting the Trump talking points and saying the buck stops everywhere but with Trump though. I’ll be interested to hear how you blame every other Republican than Trump when Trump as currently packaged has to concede the presidency in two years.

  540. Wes says:

    Interesting how Tg rails against “old fogeys” running the GOP when Trump—who appealed heavily to old, white voters in 2016 and since—is the oldest President the US has ever had.

  541. jan says:

    I don’t buy into the idea of there being an ingrained discomfort to diversity in the conservative community. What is happening, though, is that we are being fed that line early in life, via the liberal bias espoused by the majority of academia. This thought train is only reinforced by the media, and then ingested by a vulnerable public at large with uncultivated critical thinking skills. How to break this supply line of early political indoctrination, often filled with misinformation and revised history, is going to be difficult.

  542. Wes says:

    I think John James, despite his loss, was a good example of a potential future for the GOP. James has a compelling biography and—against overwhelming odds—worked hard in his race, talking directly to the people. Although written off early, he persevered and ran exceptionally well, all things considered, against Debbie Stabenow.

    Stabenow had the advantages of a gargantuan financial edge as well as seeing MI Republicans statewide take it on the chin because of deep-rooted opposition to both Trump and Snyder. Nonetheless, James held her to a 6.5% victory. He is set up well for 2020 against Gary Peters.

    Republicans need more candidates like James. They also need a President who doesn’t alienate more people than he attracts. In a better year with a less noxious President, James could well have won.

    Trump has the chance to be inoffensive to large swathes of voters if he can learn and practice self-control. His sanctimonious behavior post election has given me little hope of his ability to achieve that goal.

  543. Tgca says:

    543 Jan

    But there’s little visibility into these things and most are unaware. Trump needs to focus more attention there. Get out the word. Talk about it and tweet about it regularly.

    Imagine the positive impact it would have for the GOP if some at HHR could use their well-honed skills to help guide and develop others to a better life through outreach and development.

    Just to name a few…

    Wes could promote the benefits of self-employment as a masseuse. This is a great and growing satisfying field, and an opportunity to promote real happy endings in the community.

    Robbie could open up a world of opportunities for the less fortunate by exposing them to the world of crop dusting and aerial advertising.

    Bitter can inspire a new generation of ambulance lawyering, a badly needed valued-added community service.

    Jadon can help grow and diversify home security alternatives using llamas for property protection since it is well known fact that burglars do not like being spit upon.

    LisaB can lure folks into a rewarding career of teaching with awesome fringe benefits like wearing go-go boots.

    Walt can train folks in marketing life extension care.

    Michael can show folks how to earn extra cash modeling for local boutiques by simply wearing a salmon jacket around town.

    SanDiego can inspire folks to profit from their ethnic communities like publishing tasty California-Mormon Fusion recipes.

    Messy can …hmm…uh…ummm…well, you guys get my point.

  544. Tgca says:

    Wes, you miss my point. Trump is a very energetic engaged guy who gets out there and enjoys being with the crowds and pushing an agenda. It’s not about physical age but perception of age. Most of the GOP seems more comfortable at DC cocktail parties than engaging across communities. Dole, Romney, and McCain were probably the worst choices for the GOP. These guys ooze of privilege and being out of touch and more comfortable at cocktail parties and lacking energy. Does not mean they would not be effective POTUS but 1st you gotta win.

    We can agree on funding and James and outreach. Like Trump broke the blue wall with some traditional Dem voters, the GOP has to break the wall with other groups. Baby steps and small gains help in the long run.

  545. Tgca says:

    547 Jan

    I disagree. Unfortunately for many, not all, in the GOP, they seem behind the times in changing trends and demographics. The US has always experienced change and will continue to do so but the GOP has seem to be perceived behind in recent decades and has done little to combat that.

    Recent examples include gay marriage where many in the GOP are still dragging their feet. It’s over! The majority of the US embraces it while some in the GOP are still fighting it and thinking it will be reversed,

    The same with immigration. Many in the GOP are not comfortable with children of immigrants staying in the US. It is extremely complicated issue but thinking you’re going to kick the kids out of the country or deport their parents and leave the kids in essence without guardians is a losing battle. I agree we badly need immigration reform but denying benefits to young children who had no say so in the matter does not go over with most Americans.

    Same with women’s health services. You will not find a bigger foe to ABORTION than me but shutting down clinics or trying to make them inaccessible or scarce turns women against the GOP, especially when those clinics serve other needs for the needy.

    The same with Obamacare. The GOP lost because the perception became “screw those that don’t have healthcare.” Having a GOP appointee SCOTUS Chief Justice bow to pressure and a lying AZ Senator that went back on his word do d not help to address the real challenges that a bi-partisan approach could have resolved.

    There are a number of perceptions that exist there about the GOP that are not fair but also exist because select groups in the GOP push them into the spotlight, and the GOP is horrible at defending itself with a proactive plan.

  546. Tgca says:

    Ok. It’s Sunday and this God-fearing Catholic has gotta go and focus on some religious chit. Jesus spoke to me and told me I need to go pray for y’all sorry-@$$ souls because he has a master plan in all this and he does not appreciate y’all losing faith in him because of one election course correction.

  547. dblaikie says:

    I get the point Wes is making. And in a mild way I agree with it. We all need to accept the fact that Trump, in being so blatantly honest, is a polarizing figure. It is a very plausible hypothesis that more people come to dislike him than support him. However once again his approval is in the mid forties — which is amazing considering the press. I also agree with Wes that Trump is not willing to change — like it or not he is who he is.

    So again, in my view, the only way for him is to Govern effectively in the areas he has power to do so. Cut a deal with China. Move North Korea closer to the West. Be firm on immigration. Continue to deregulate. And continue to appoint Conservative Judges. And like Harry Truman before him, rail against a do nothing Congress.

    When I mentioned the power of Incumbency I was thinking of the power to respond to events. The press may hate it, but history always puts the President forward for good or ill to shape the nations response to important events. Not the Congress or opponents.

    So if Trump performs or governs effectively he has a great chance to win. Conversely, if he doesn’t do that than we will face a wipe out next election.

  548. Bitterlaw says:

    Whenever I see the ad with Christmas lights on a palm tree, I think it must be really depressing to have Christmas there. I don’t always get snow but I need cold weather.

  549. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    https://rrhelections.com/index.php/2018/11/25/rrh-elections-mississippi-senate-runoff-poll-cindy-hyde-smith-r-leads-mike-espy-d-54-44/

    Here is a Mississippi Senate Poll done by JMC Analytics and RRH. It shows the Republican, Cindi Hyde-Smith, ahead by 10%, 54-44.

  550. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Border closed at San Ysidro (San Diego)

    Invaders tried to breach it, but were repelled by tear gas.

    Military helicopters deployed.

  551. Tina says:

    I am sure that the Jebots will go ballistic tomorrow., as they try out Muh women and child labor

    However, the caravan of invaders look mostly all male.

  552. Tina says:

    Military shoots tear gas into Mexico, invaders flee like cockroaches.

    Next step: rubber bullets

    Last Step: Lethal Force.

  553. Paul says:

    555: That’s closer than I thought id’ be.

  554. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    19s
    Let me see if I have this right: Today the Left is outraged that Russia is violating borders while simultaneously outraged the US is *defending* its border
    View

  555. mnw says:

    Trump holds the “Trump card” on the caravan:

    “Stop the caravan inside Mexico, or we’ll close the TJ Port of Entry indefinitely– the busiest POE in the world. Be a shame if all your export produce rotted while we inspect every tomato & every head of lettuce one at a time.”

  556. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Be a shame if all your export produce rotted while we inspect every tomato & every head of lettuce one at a time.””

    It will also be a shame when businesses & commerce shuts down in San Diego and other southern California areas near the border because their workers cannot cross over from Mexico.

    When the border is open everyone entering is screened to see if they are lawfully entering. There is no reason to stop this process. Also, a lot of Americans may be stuck in Mexico, and not get over the border.

  557. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I can see the border closed temporarily to fend off the illegals trying to force their way across. But not what Trump is threatening.

  558. Tina says:

    Great, no romaine lettuce.

  559. Cash Cow TM says:

    They are going to still allow hay to be imported from Mexico…right?

  560. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    564. “Great, no romaine lettuce.”

    Sorry Tina, but 71% of the U.S. romaine lettuce is grown right here in California (Arizona grows most the rest). We even export romaine lettuce. Unfortunately, the recent health alerts concerned California lettuce. Asia is now trying to remove California romaine lettuce from store shelves as quickly as possible.

  561. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    565. Cow, California is the third largest producer of hay, and the largest producer of alfalfa. A lot of hay still comes into the state in trucks from other western states.

    For those of you who just picture California as a letist haven, keep in mind California also is the nation’s top agricultural producer. Here is a summary I posted elsewhere:

    “California produces 99% of the U.S. almonds, walnuts and pistachios; 95% of its broccoli; 92% of its strawberries; 91% of its grapes; 90% of its tomatoes; and 74% of its lettuce. These are not crops that grow well in Wisconsin or Nebraska by those “sustainable farmers of the Midwest.” Plus 20% of the nation’s dairy is from California; and about 2/3 of the nations vegetables in the winter come from the Imperial Valley.”

  562. Paul says:

    Trump should impose a tariff on California so that the rest of the nation can start growing their own almonds.

  563. Trump says:

    Pass the bong, Cory.

  564. Paul says:

    People who took a trip to Tijuana this Thanksgiving weekend are screwed trying to get back home.

  565. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Gym likely to close all automotive production in Ottawa.

    Maybe, Justine Bieber will lose an eyebrow over this.

  566. Paul says:

    As of an hour ago, pedestrian traffic resumed at San Ysidro Port of Entry. Car traffic will resume soon.

    Also, just four miles away were other port of entries not affected. Not quite as big a deal as it sounded.

  567. Tina says:

    Maybe, Fuhrer Mulehead can investigate the port matter, security breach.

  568. Bitterlaw says:

    Once again, millions of Americans expecting to see 60 Minutes at 7:00 pm were disappointed. Except on the West Coast.

    Who are these people who still have not caught on after 40 years that they will not see that show start at 7:00 during football season? Why does CBS list it at 7:00 knowing it is a lie?

  569. Tina says:

    ws’
    @NolteNC
    2h
    NOW will those pathetic, sellout cucks at Fox News allow Trump to air his 100% accurate commercial about the dangers of illegal immigration? Cux News: Unfair, unbalanced, and terrified Brian Stelter will say mean things about them. twitter.com/ABC/status/106…

    Paging Shepardly Smith.

  570. Cash Cow TM says:

    SDC,

    I was just spoofing about the hay.

    Walt has plenty laid up for me.
    I know I do not need any from south of the border.

  571. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Are you mad at Fox Newsbecause you want it to be as biased and unreliable as MSNBC but from the right?

  572. Bitterlaw says:

    567 SDC – I do not eat anything on that list so California is not as vital to me.

  573. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    578. “SDC, I was just spoofing about the hay. Walt has plenty laid up for me. I know I do not need any from south of the border.”

    Cow, I knew you were. Be careful of that foreign hay. It has enough chemicals to either kill you or clear your body of every parasite imaginable. Plus you will produce blue milk.

  574. Tina says:

    Bl, unreliable Faux News?

    As it pertains to the caravan story, Shephardly Smith indicated that there was no caravan. Also, Geraldine Rivera indicated that the invaders were “peaceful”. Despite them (being mostly male), throwing rocks at our assets in Yuma and San Ysidro.
    Kind of like no American troops in Baghdad in 2003.

    So, in regard to the caravan story, looks like Faux News joined their cn and n counterparts and just as guilty, if not more so, of reporting Fake News.

    But don’t worry, Geraldine and Shephardly Smith aka pocket make up will likely get raises.

  575. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I see your point. Howvever, I don’t think you would be satisfied unless Fox reported that the caravan was composed entirely of gang members in tanks. I thought you said you never watch Fox so how do you know what is being reported?