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Hyde-Smith Leads Espy by 10% in MS Runoff

A new poll paid for by RRH Elections has Republican Cindy Hyde-Smith up by double digits over Democrat Mike Espy in this final race of the 2018 election cycle for the US Senate.

US SENATE – MISSISSIPPI – RUNOFF (RRH)
Cindy Hyde-Smith (R) 54%
Mike Espy (D) 44%

This poll was done November 18-24 among 684 likely voters. The election is tomorrow night and the polling has been nearly non-existent in this race for the runoff and considering that the final weekend was Thanksgiving weekend, not sure how reliable any poll could be over this past weekend.

Posted by Dave at 6:32 am
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127 Responses to “Hyde-Smith Leads Espy by 10% in MS Runoff”

  1. Wes says:

    Hyde-Smith will win easily.

  2. Tina says:

    Trump is doing two campaign events for her today.

  3. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Tina and SDC:
    Do you agree with the following?

    I have no doubt that there was massive fraud in California in the recent elections.

    The Democrats gained seven federal House seats although in all but one,CA CD-49, the Republican candidate had more votes tallied on election day than their opponents. In some cases, much more(CA CD-39).
    Additionally, in the June guerrilla primaries, the same GOP candidates received between 51.4% to 62%(CA CD-21) of the vote and yet lost in the general.
    There is absolutely no rational reason for this. There is an old saying that goes: “The first one is pure luck, the second one is a coincidence and the third is a pattern.”
    The federal DOJ should investigate how this happened in CA. Similar patterns emerged in races in AZ, GA, FL, NM, UT,ME and NJ.”

  4. mnw says:

    Espy was too corrupt for the Clintons, & he lied about his lobbying efforts on behalf of an African dictator/war criminal.

  5. Barrett says:

    Just got my republican voter registration card in the mail. The change is official – no longer a Libertarian.

    As for the MS Special Election – All this nonsense about a “public hanging” comment and posing in a picture with confederate artifacts?

    CNN/MSNBC spends months(years?) propping up the metoo movement, so they can pit women against men and run candidates based on the narrative that all men are monsters in the midterms.

    Now, a woman is running against a black man and they play the race card over and over.

    It is absolutely sickening to me that Democrats play identity politics in every fathomable way. It seems deception is the only way they can win.

  6. Messy says:

    3. Why do you think that? Most of what you said about the elections was true. I bet you think Trump won the popular vote, too.

    Valadao won in the general, for example. He also got TWENTY THOUSAND more votes than in the primary. If it were “stolen” he not only wouldn’t have won, but he wouldn’t have had 20k more votes.

    There was no vote stealing anywhere, especially in places like Georgia, where there was massive voter suppression.

  7. Wes says:

    Messy considers not extending the franchise to dead people, noncitizens, nonresidential, and people who haven’t voted in years nor responded to requests for updated voter information “voter suppression.”

  8. Barrett says:

    I don’t think there was voter fraud in California for one simple reason. There doesn’t need to be.

    You are looking one of the most liberal/socialized states in the US. Hillary got 62% of the vote here. They’re requiring people to put solar panels on their houses.

    If they Democrats were to commit voter fraud, targets would probably included OH, NC, etc.

  9. mnw says:

    1) If the GOP nominee had Espy’s scandals, that would be a banner headline at all the legacy media– instead of the last paragraph of a 15-paragraph article on p. 27.

    2) Voter fraud in CA: Depends how you define it. If you include illegal aliens voting, then there’s massive fraud. Not susceptible to investigation because… the DEMs would die on that hill, to prevent such an investigation.

  10. Phil says:

    They don’t control everything in NC and Ohio like they do in California.

    California is what Democrats have in mind as a model for the country as a whole. They will get us there. The only question is how fast.

  11. jan says:

    Sheeple, while not asked, I live in CA and do think the political climate and policies leave plenty access holes in our election process here to support fraud.

    We have same day registration giving way to last minute provisional ballots to be counted. Then there is the convenient motor-voter registration providing an “whoops” moment last fall where thousands of requests were mismanaged. In the 2016 election 11 CA counties came up with more votes than the number of registered votes. In LA county, alone, there was a huge discrepancy in tallies dealing with legal registration figures.

    Additionally, the rampant speculation of fraud in CA elections I think discourages R turnout, as many just feel “why bother” under such overwhelming odds of ever winning anything here!

  12. michael corleone says:

    California also has legalized voting fraud – it’s called ballot harvesting and while illegal in other states, California allows union thugs to go around and collect ballots from others and then drop them off at the polling site. This should be challenged immediately in court.

  13. dblaikie says:

    In true Bitterlaw fashion: The Democrats don’t have to commit voter fraud in California. The Democrats committed voter fraud in California (Orange County) because they wanted to pad their majority in Congress. “Both can be true.”

  14. Waingro says:

    Richard Baris in denial about Deadender, Dr. Ward. I hope this isn’t an effort to give her ANOTHER chance at a Senate seat. She needs to go away.

    Richard Baris
    ? @Peoples_Pundit
    12m12 minutes ago

    3. I find the lack of willingness to acknowledge McSally lost Maricopa after GOPe claimed Ward would, a bit small.

    Small-minded and short-sighted.

    Of course, we’ll never know how Ward would’ve done in Maricopa. Was she going to lose indies as badly as McSally or split seniors?
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    Richard Baris
    ? @Peoples_Pundit
    16m16 minutes ago

    2. It’s also worth noting the argument used against Dr. Ward was the same argument used against Donald Trump, both of which were supported by poll data.

    He, and she, were unelectable in Arizona B/C they couldn’t win Maricopa County.

    Martha McSally lost Maricopa. Trump did not.
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    Richard Baris Retweeted
    Will DiBugno
    ? @realwilldibugno
    24m24 minutes ago
    Replying to @Peoples_Pundit @kelliwardaz

    Martha McSally joins the camp of Rick Berg (ND 2012), Connie Mack IV (FL 2012), and Tommy Thompson (WI 2012). Candidate quality matters immensely.
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    Richard Baris
    ? @Peoples_Pundit
    21m21 minutes ago

    Richard Baris Retweeted Samuel LeDoux

    Again, entire GOPe argument vs. @kelliwardaz hinged on their claim she couldn’t carry Maricopa County. Same argument vs. @realDonaldTrump in Arizona, and polls seemed to confirm.

    Martha McSally lost Maricopa County. Donald Trump did not.

  15. NYCmike says:

    Waingro,

    Never was sure about Kelli Ward, but plenty of people were VERY SURE about McSally.

    Have any of those VERY SURE about McSally come out and stated they were wrong, and why?

    Has anyone given any reasons for McSally’s bad showing in Maricopa? Or have they just blamed Trump?

  16. CG says:

    Speaking for myself, I was never certain that McSally would win statewide and never classified the race as anything other than a Tossup.

    However, I am certain that neither Ward nor Arpaio would have won statewide and am also certain they would have fared far worse than McSally did.

    The reasons she did so poorly, relatively speaking, with traditional upscale suburban and urban Republican voters is due in large part to Donald Trump and extreme motivation to oppose him. A large part of the blame also of course exists with McSally herself who decided to transform herself from what was once a “NeverTrump” stance to one where she embraced him tightly. Apparently, she felt she needed to do that to win the primary, and perhaps she did, but she was not able to pivot for the general election to get enough non-Trump loving voters, though she came close.

    Ultimately, there were some deadenders who had favored the other primary candidates, who did not vote for her because they did not trust she supported Trump enough, but even more voters who felt she had pandered herself too much in cozying up to Trump.

    It is also true that she was not able to as effectively use her military service and the issue of what Sinema felt about the Afghanistan War from over 15 years ago (to the extent that people might still care about that issue), because the same position of opposition Sinema took at the time is the same one that Trump insisted he had at the time and still has. McSally’s newfound loyalty to Trump put her in a box.

  17. Messy says:

    7. Hard-dee har har.

    No dead people, nor non-citizens or anyone else you mentioned voting, nor do I advocate that.

    That last one, Wes, IS voter suppression, especially since those were vague junk mails and were designed to make certain people of color wouldn’t reply (it was a partisan private company which did that).

  18. Waingro says:

    Ward would have been a disaster in the general — plain and simple. Her previous performance in primaries in crucial counties bears this out.

    I’m not saying McSally was necessarily a great candidate either. In fact, I think she made a number of mistakes. But she was the best available to take on Senema in a very difficult cycle.

    Hopefully, someone better emerges to take her out in 2024.

  19. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    From RRH Re: MS Senate Race

    IZENGABE
    November 26, 2018 at 2:14 pm
    Change Poll of MS-Sen Runoff:
    Cindy Hyde-Smith (R) 51% (+5)
    Mike Espy (D) 46%

    Thy are a liberal polling outfit. Their crosstabs are clearly weighted by census to help Espy look closer rather than by likely voter. If they weighted by actual electorate racial make up their poll would be closer to our 54% to 44% result.

  20. Waingro says:

    No, we need him to run against Peters in 2020!

    Bloomberg
    ?Verified account @business

    President Trump is considering John James, a Michigan businessman who lost election to the U.S. Senate this year, to replace UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, sources say

  21. CG says:

    At one point, John McCain had been Martha McSally’s political mentor.

    It goes without saying that McCain had never lost an election in Arizona and had a good deal of respect throughout the state across party lines.

    As a Senate candidate, McSally went out of her way to avoid association with McCain (though Ward of course went much further) and refused to say anything positive about McCain until his office announced he was in his final days. Even then, and after the Senator’s passing, McSally’s words in honoring McCain were pretty circumspect and generic. It was like she did not want to say anything to upset Donald Trump. Sinema praised McCain in death more than McSally did and that did not go unnoticed with some in the state.

    Contrast that with Governor Ducey who was far more open in honoring McCain’s legacy and professing respect for him. He won easily.

  22. CG says:

    Cindy Hyde-Smith turned out to be a horrible candidate, though similar to the Arizona discussion, no Chris McDaniel would not be doing any better.

    She should have said this two weeks ago:

    “I made a flippant, spontaneous joke about public hangings that was both in poor taste and something I regret. When I said it, I associated public hangings with the Old West of the 1800s, where convicted criminals were executed in a public forum, or perhaps the justice that was done at the time to those involved in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, who were publicly put to death via hanging.

    I associated it with white people being executed, and not with the horrific racial lynchings that have so tarnished our beloved state and the rest of the South, in which African-Americans were summarily and illegally tortured and murdered by gangs of people solely because of race.

    Lynchings were far worse than public hangings and that should never be forgotten. I apologize for not fully understanding that many in our state would associate them as one in the same. I will never make that mistake again.”

  23. Barrett says:

    Well we landed another probe on Mars. One step closer to getting off this planet!

    Waiting for snowflakes who call themselves “progressive” to complain about this money not being used for foreign aid, student loans, etc.

  24. NYCmike says:

    Barrett,

    we need to SEND the snowflakes to Mars, not have them complain. Tell them we have already set up a modern-day California up there for them, with Obama as President.

  25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    3. Tina and SDC:
    “Do you agree with the following? I have no doubt that there was massive fraud in California in the recent elections.”

    I don’t agree. The Democrats were extremely motivated and active. I know Democrat friends who were walking precincts and working the telephones, for many it was their first campaign work. They were encouraging people to vote by absentee ballot. They managed to get a huge turnout. There was no similar effort by Republicans — the party is a hollow shell in California.

    At the local level, two Republican city council members and a board of supervisor member were defeated in San Diego. I will confess to have voted for two Democrats for local office because the Republican candidates were so loathsome.

    In California you had a mix of dislike for Trump and a state Republican Party with many candidates who frankly are malodorous. I would predict you are going to see more independent candidates emerging, helped by the fact most races in California are now non-partisan. The top two candidates go into a run-off.

  26. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yeah buddies! It’s all voter fraud. Of course it is. Anytime things not going your way means its voter fraud. Got a grip yall! Just accept that the people woke up and sent yall a message .. actually sent yall a ass whoopin’ … FEEL THE WAVE

    But um yah voter .. um.. fraud. Right, keep thinking that as you get wiped out in 2020.

  27. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #25- SDC
    You might change your mind after you read this article about what happened in CA on Election Day:

    http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/did-unlimited-absentee-ballot-harvesting-kill-the-gop-on-nov-6/

  28. lisab says:

    “Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime. It wasn’t for Jewish families fleeing Germany. It wasn’t for targeted families fleeing Rwanda. It wasn’t for communities fleeing war-torn Syria. And it isn’t for those fleeing violence in Central America,” Donald Trump

  29. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Many people may not be aware that California is one of the top oil production states in the U.S. The Central Valley in particular produces a lot of oil. California is the 6th largest producer of oil in the nation; not too many years ago it was 3rd, but it has fallen because oil is difficult to frack in California because geologic issues.

    Coastal white liberals lawmakers have attempted to ban fracking and push anti-oil drilling bills through the state legislature. Predominantly Latino Democrat legislators from the blue collar Central Valley unite with Republicans and successfully defeat the bills.

    Someday an independent movement made up of working class Asians and Latinos, and supported by Republicans, could defeat the coastal liberals, but presently too many Republicans live in nostalgia for a past that no longer exists. The fact someone like Cox, who recently moved to California, could become the Republican nominee shows how deeply out-of-touch the older Anglos who run the Republican party are from current reality.

  30. Waingro says:

    #22, I think Chris McDaniel would win though — albeit buy probably a couple points or so less.

    Ward would have lost with a range a floor of high single digits to a ceiling of low double digits.

  31. Waingro says:

    #26, Proud Obamacon is my favorite troll here easily. He admittedly is very funny.

  32. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron, how does it feel to be the stupidest person posting on this blog? Purging voter rolls of non-voters who don’t bother to respond to letters verifying their information isn’t suppression.

    Here’s a thought: If they haven’t voted in years, why don’t they just respond to keep their voter status active? It’s not that hard. Alternatively they could vote regularly so as not to have to verify their active voter status.

    Keep being an idiot though. It’s what you do best.

  33. Wes says:

    McDaniel has his goons take pictures of Thad Cochran’s wife in a nursing home and was so personally offensive to blacks they voted in the GOP runoff to stop him.

    He would lose to Espy. Failing that, Dems would find a strong opponent who could exploit his many weaknesses in 2020 and at least force Republicans to spend heavily to defend an otherwise safe seat.

  34. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    27. #25- SDC

    “You might change your mind after you read this article about what happened in CA on Election Day:”

    Absentee ballots have been used extensively for years in past elections in which Republicans won.
    They are sent out by the registrar of voters, and are not distributed door to door. All it takes is a stamp and they can be sent in, no need to “harvest.” Yes, volunteers went door-to-door to encourage people to vote absentee. That was effective campaigning; by contrast the Republicans did jack s—. Why don’t the Republicans just blame Putin.

  35. Phil says:

    California is a beautiful state, but it might as well be Venezuela. One party rule forever. If you are a Republican get out of there as soon as you can and anyway you can.

  36. Wes says:

    Here in NC, Mark Harris sent a gaggle of young, attractive women including mine door to door to encourage early and absentee voting for him. That likely made the difference in a close election.

  37. Phil says:

    BTW, Wes, great call on Harris’ race. Nailed another one.

  38. NYCmike says:

    “Nailed another one.”

    -He is NOW a married man.

    Does it matter?

  39. mnw says:

    Wes

    I can not sign off on three iii’s being the stupidest poster here. There are a number of equally worthy candidates. See, e.g., 26 & 22 above.

    And do you REALLY one to count Vichey out of the competition for “most stupid”?

  40. lisab says:

    California is a beautiful state, but it might as well be Venezuela. One party rule forever.
    ——————————-

    what happens when the middle class leaves california?

  41. Wes says:

    Thanks, Phil. Being close to someone working tirelessly as a volunteer for Harris, I got to see up close how seriously he was taking the race and how hard he was campaigning to win.

    That’s why I was comfortable in picking him for the win where earlier I gave the Dem the edge. (To be fair, MacReady was no slouch. He actually had a solid system of voter contact too. Harris just outgunned him on the ground.)

    I am certainly glad NC is largely eschewing Dems right now. I wish more states would follow suit.

  42. Wes says:

    Proud Obamacon is simply a troll, Mnw. Robbie at least got part of this past election right despite his predictions ‘s being rooted in fanatical hatred of Trump.

    Messy the Moron though has multiple laughable statements in every comment.

    To wit:

    1) Dems lost 2014 because of Ebola.

    2) Brenda Snipes is a Republican.

    I have a hard time finding a stupider poster than Messy the Moron.

  43. CG says:

    While it is good for Mark Harris and Republicans that he was able to hold on to an open seat in a conservative district, his message that Jews and Muslims must convert to Christianity, is probably not one that would be wise to run on in many other districts.

  44. Wes says:

    While Harris did say that, Corey, and MacReady tried to use it against him, you’re mischaracterizing the statement as something Harris ran on.

    It wasn’t.

    He said it in a sermon in 2011 and made no similar inflammatory comments during the campaign. That’s probably why it got so little traction after the primary.

    I’ve repeatedly said Harris is more conservative than I would like—especially on social issues—but since he didn’t run as a religious zealot and didn’t go out of his way to be offensive I am happy with my decision to vote for him rather than send a message by failing to support him.

  45. Wes says:

    You know things have gotten bad for the RRH “Republicans” when they’re forced to argue a race is a Likely rather than Safe R Hold.

  46. CG says:

    He should have repudiated the remarks then, as well as other remarks he has said in the past about women and how they should not pursue careers, etc. The race would not have been as close as it was. The comments about Jews, etc, only came to light days before the general election.

    It’s fine that you voted for him. I have voted for a lot of questionable Republicans myself in the past (i.e. Alan Keyes), but out of all the GOP held seats that were lost, I would pretty much trade him for anyone but Rohrabacher.

  47. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    35. “California is a beautiful state, but it might as well be Venezuela.”

    Venezuela doesn’t have a 14.8 billion dollar budget surplus, and a 14.5 billion dollar rainy day fund.

    There are a lot of problems in California, but it is not a fiscal basket case like Illinois. It has a very high long-term debt, and its taxes and regulations are onerous. But given the right leadership, it can be turned around. Tech, agriculture, even energy resources, generate a massive income flow. The state needs to stop spending like a drunk sailor, and trying to run a massive nanny state.

  48. Albert Hodges says:

    McSally and Ward were both terrible candidates and would be terrible senators…either would be better than Enema, however.

    Rep. Harris only spoke Christian truth in a sermon. Might not be politically correct or useful, but MANY of his voters would agree with him on this.

    John James can be UN Ambassador AND run for US Senate in 2020…both can be true (and smart).

  49. CG says:

    The Padres may be hopeless though.

  50. CG says:

    In regards to the Middle East, Jews are clearly not the problem. It’s pretty outrageous to suggest it is “Christian truth” that there will not be peace in the Middle East because Jews are Jews. After all, they were there first. This is why Albert Hodges’ political hero Pat Buchanan is a renowned anti-Semite.

    And there is not a lack of peace in the Middle East because of Muslims are Muslim either. Instead it is because too many of them hate Jewish children more than they love their own.

  51. Wes says:

    While I won’t argue Harris hasn’t said questionable things in the past he didn’t say any of them during the campaign. You can well believe he would have lost had he not exercised extreme message discipline despite his noteworthy ground game.

    Since Harris didn’t say anything offensive as a candidate and campaigned hard to win where others failed I’m perfectly happy with his victory over the generic leftist running as a pseudo moderate.

  52. CG says:

    Early voting may have saved Harris.

    It was lucky for him that the comments about Jews from 2011 did not surface earlier than a few days before the election.

  53. Wes says:

    Wrong, Al. While I think Corey should quit carping about what Harris said in 2011 it was an offensive statement and in no way truthful.

    That said, unlike Dick Mourdock, Harris didn’t wait till right before the election to make the gaffe and held a critical seat, so I’m willing to forgive his past sins.

  54. CG says:

    If John James wants to run for the Senate in 2020, being a UN Ambassador would make it nearly impossible. He would have to leave the job fairly soon in order to do the minimum of necessary fundraising, etc, to be a candidate for office. He would not be able to hold the job and seek office at the same time.

    And while he is an impressive person, what makes him specifically a good choice to be UN Ambassador? Isn’t there anybody with foreign policy experience that Trump can find? Even among all the other Republicans who lost in 2018?

    Mia Love would be a better choice for that gig.

  55. Wes says:

    Honestly I don’t think the 2011 sermon had much effect on the vote here. It was a news item but not a very big one. MacReady did use it as part of his strategy of portraying Harris as an out-of-touch religious zealot, but in the end since MacReady had consistently lost ground against Harris since August I believe the strategy had hit the point of diminishing returns. A statement like that in this district filled with religious fundamentalists probably would do little or no damage. In NC-13 though, it would have been a near-certain political death sentence.

  56. CG says:

    People can have their theological battles if they wish, but this is a public policy matter as well, and I would consider it a discouraging sign as an ardent supporter of Israel if it is true that a sizable number of religious fundamentalists who are Christian agree that Jews must convert to Christianity in order for there to be any possibility of peace in the Middle East.

    I disagree with the anti-Muslim component as well, but am going to selfishly focus on what he said in 2011 about Jews. How in the world is the radical Islamic terrorism in the Middle East the fault of the Jews? Is that the message that these people would present to the Israeli government and people?

  57. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    50. “After all, they were there first.”

    Actually they had to clear out quite a few people who were already living there. They were a bit uncouth about it, but had ecclesiastical sanction.

    They also picked a spot in an area that served as a freeway for invading armies from places like Egypt, Mesopotamia & Persia. Their real estate agent must not have been very good. Telling them it was the “promised land” was a bit of a stretch.

  58. CG says:

    Biblically speaking, they were certainly there first.

    (The old joke also is had Moses taken a left, the Jews would have had all the oil)

  59. Wes says:

    I don’t disagree with you, Corey, but it was a statement made seven years ago and apparently not repeated since. Either Harris has learned to muzzle himself since then, or he’s realized the stupidity of the remark.

    Either way, it’s something spoken well in the past by a candidate who has made no such similar statements since. Maybe we should cut Harris some slack and start berating him for it if he starts mouthing the same nonsense again.

  60. CG says:

    My hunch is that he is probably going to say something else in Congress that will generate headlines and not in a good way. Time will tell.

    (He has impressive hair though)

  61. Wes says:

    If one takes the Book of Joshua as literal (I don’t believe a word of it) the Jews committed ethnic cleansing and genocide to gain control of Canaan. Quite possibly the descendants of those the Jews themselves claim to have mass murdered might have a claim to Israel and likely have a grievance if we’re going to be unforgiving about impertinent remarks made by an incoming Congressman once almost a decade ago.

    While Harris advocated mass conversion as a way to end hostility in the Middle East I haven’t heard of his claiming divine orders to commit mass murder and genocide.

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    58. “Biblically speaking, they were certainly there first.”

    The early books of the Bible are stories of them wiping out the existing inhabitants. If your referring to Genesis, then the Jews and many other people were in what is now Israel. Its a bit rude to subsequently drive the others ones out.

  63. Wes says:

    Harris may say something stupid and disqualifying while in Congress, Corey. I will be critical of him if he does.

    Unless/until that happens I refuse to make him a punching bag and give him the Mourdock treatment.

  64. CG says:

    I think there has been plenty of pushback against those Biblical claims against Jews by those who know more about this than I.

    Anybody who believes in the Old and New Testaments would have to concur that Jews were G-d’s (sorry the way we type the word offends you NYC) “Chosen People” and that Israel was promised to them.

  65. CG says:

    Fair enough to wait and see how Harris conducts himself in office, but clearly, he believes what he said in 2011.

    And there is no doubt that his views on abortion are identical to Mourdock, Akin, and many others.

  66. Wes says:

    Being God’s chosen people doesn’t change the fact that the Jews claim Israel by dint of saying God told them to invade the area and butcher everyone in it, Corey. There’s no legitimate way to read a book that openly advocates mass murder and claim it doesn’t in fact advocate mass murder regardless of whether or not God supposedly orders it.

    As I say though I don’t believe the Book of Joshua is any truer than Moby Dick or Beowulf. Even so, the historical Jewish claim to Israel is based on the idea that God told the Jews to kill all the Canaanites to get it. I guess divine manifest destiny sounds better than “We want this land and are strong enough to hold it”—which I would actually respect more than a divine exhortation to mass bloodletting to get a few hundred miles of land.

  67. Wes says:

    *few hundred square miles

  68. CG says:

    I don’t claim to be an expert on the Book of Joshua, but that’s not how it’s interpreted among Jews.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-book-of-joshua/

    (lisab might be a fan of the mass circumcision story in the book, based on the things she frequently used to talk about here. Merry Brismas?)

    It’s the same discussion though as those who claim the U.S. is illegitimate because of what happened to the Native Americans.

    The point I was making about “they were there first” though was clearly about what Harris said about the Middle East and Jews and Christians. Clearly, Jews preceded Christians.

  69. NYCmike says:

    Writing “G-D” offends me?

    Ok, that’s a new one.

    It’s always good to see posters on HHR with such good imaginations.

  70. lisab says:

    circumcision is for new born babies in the hospital

  71. NYCmike says:

    Funny that I picked up “My Name is Asher Lev” just yesterday, and now here we are with “CG” calling people anti-semitic again.

    And then he claims I am offended by what he writes from time to time.

    Interesting place, HHR.

  72. CG says:

    NYC, you sure make a show of pointing out how you disagree with how I have typed it here. As I have said, it’s reflexive and you should study or at least ask why Jews type it like that.

    lisab, actually it is supposed to happen like 7 days later at a big party. The baby is given some wine and everything.

    And while this is a sensitive topic to say the least, many Jewish men have been circumcised later in life such as those who grew up under persecution in the Soviet Union, etc.

    Gotta go!

  73. CG says:

    The only person I have called anti-Semitic here today is Pat Buchanan.

    Bye.

  74. lisab says:

    lisab, actually it is supposed to happen like 7 days later at a big party. The baby is given some wine and everything.
    —————————-

    no thanks … the nurses can deal with it

    fortunately i do not have a boy

  75. Wes says:

    In the Book of Joshua, does God tell the Jews to kill all the Canaanites or not, Corey? If so, then the story is an advocacy of ethnic cleansing to get land. It’s really that simple.

    Even so, I don’t believe the story. The Jews are in Israel now. They’re a powerful, if sometimes redoubtable, ally and a buffer against the fundamentalist Arabs surrounding them. That’s enough for me. I don’t need some divine providence to think the Jews should continue to control Israel.

  76. lisab says:

    the dems are becoming very anti-semitic

    almost openly so

    i think israel is in for huge problems if the dems take control

  77. lisab says:

    support for “palestine” is already causing huge problems in europe for the liberal parties

  78. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    I didn’t disagree how you wrote it. I copied how you wrote to make sure that you knew I was responding to you.

    I really don’t care how you write it. Why should I? You show respect to your G-D, as I show respect to my GOD.

  79. NYCmike says:

    “i think israel is in for huge problems if the dems take control”

    -BUT, in 2011, some guy said WORDS.

    NOT about killing anyone, just that it was his belief that Jews and Muslims should convert.

  80. Tgca says:

    Ochenta Bebe! Ochenta!

  81. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL since Jason is obsessed with Venezuela, I’m sure he’ll be drawing the parallel in 3.. 2.. 1…

    Orange now dictates the economic decisions of corporations? That is what happens in Venezuela and North Korea, talking to you Jason!

    The Fascist in Chief just can’t help himself showing his true colors.. yall want to be silent. That’s fine, history never forgets.

  82. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    75. “In the Book of Joshua, does God tell the Jews to kill all the Canaanites or not, Corey? If so, then the story is an advocacy of ethnic cleansing to get land. It’s really that simple.”

    I don’t think you can judge ancient cultures by today’s moral values. All the civilizations at the time slaughtered their opponents, and put cities to the sword. Even the Greeks, who 20th century scholars are fond, did the same. In doing so, they were just emulating the natural environment in which they lived. Despite the 20th century worshiping the joys and beauty of nature, it is an awful, brutal place. It should not surprise anyone that humans in the past lived brutally like animals.

    What make the Bible inspiring is that it instigated a process in which human beings rose above their brutal nature, and developed a moral and spiritual awareness.

  83. Wes says:

    Well, SDC, I’m just arguing the Bitterlaw line that we have to judge all cultures based on our own mores. If a modern-day nation did what the Bible claimed Joshua did we would all be up in arms. Because the Bible says God told Joshua to butcher the Canaanites though the atrocities mentioned in the Book of Joshua are perfectly all right.

    For example, Stalin had Khrushchev butcher many people in Soviet-dominated areas so Russians could move in and displace the local populations. That’s exactly what God supposedly had the Israelites do in the Bible. The difference is that Stalin didn’t claim divine guidance in issuing his orders.

    Regardless, as I noted, I consider the Book of Joshua to be a fanciful bit of self-serving historical fiction intended as a garbled story about the origin of the original Nation of Israel. That it’s a clear exhortation to genocide over a desire for land is clear. We just tend to overlook the darker implications in the story because Christians and Jews regard anything ordered by God as infallible.

    That others did it—though not all cultures and countries were guilty of such crimes even back then—is really no justification for genocide. That a religious tome would be so egregiously bloodthirsty is more than a little concerning in my view.

  84. Tgca says:

    …and the Bible taught us all about polygamy incest, and bigotry too…all of which is still widely practiced today. Praise Lord Jesus! Amen!

  85. Proud Obamacon says:

    Where’s Jason? Sport, your Orange God wants to start his own media network. State Run TV yall! This happens in Venezuela, Jason. I’m sure you are outraged LOL

    And yall say nothing.. history won’t forget.

    FEEL.THE.WAVE

  86. Cash Cow TM says:

    FINALLY!

    Got off interstate to get grub at Cracker Barrel!
    In Indiana on way back home.

  87. Proud Obamacon says:

    Orange wants direct management of individual corporations… I an only imagine the outrage if Obama had said this …. LOL

  88. MichiganGuy says:

    “Special counsel and former FBI director Robert Mueller is accused of framing a man on gun charges — a case that is officially under investigation by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.”
    .
    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-mueller-is-being-criminally-investigated-and-jerome-corsi-knew-about-the-case/

  89. lisab says:

    GM to kill Chevrolet Volt, Cruze, Impala as Americans ditch passenger cars

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    Even when I am not here, my name is invoked.

    I don’t care if anybody converts to any religion. I think my Jewish wife will have a better afterlife than I do.

  91. sandiegocitizen says:

    83. I don’t take the Old Testament, or for that matter a lot if the New Testament literally. But the both did play a role in the progress of human morality. A lot of the attacks you are making on the human actions in the Book of Joshua is condemned now because of the impact of the New Testament and later Christian thinking. The Bible did have an influence on human progression.

  92. mnw says:

    “Proud Obamacon” is still in mourning because his two-ton, last of the red hot mamas, Stacy, shot craps in the GA Gov race– altho his sore-losin’, tax-cheatin’ BEOTCH is still out there tonight, playin’ her race cards somewhere.

    Troll clearly had the mother of all woodies for that repulsive pos.

  93. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Ocean circulation in North Atlantic is at its weakest for 1,500 years – and at levels that previously triggered a mini Ice Age, study warns”

    I am SURE this will somehow be caused by humans (or cow farts)…

    (reading….reading….)

    YEP!

  94. Cash Cow TM says:

    Here is what gets me.

    The media, etc. talks about “climate change” and asks people if they believe in climate change…

    Cow says, hell yeah–I believe in climate change.
    EVERYONE should believe in climate change.

    The historical data that world climate has undergone change throughout the ages is irrefutable (dinosaurs existed and became extinct, coal deposits [formed from big plant deposits] in antarctica and other areas with currently very cold climates, oil deposits in present desert lands that has little plant growth, culture collapse of Hopi Indians in SW U.S., well documented mini-ice age back in the middle ages in Europe and North America…

    BUT when the media talks of “climate change” they mean MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE. EVERYTHING is being blamed on man made global warming–including earthquakes and the forest fires in CA, declining elk populations, outbreaks of everything from acne to hemorrhoids.

    And DESPITE all the efforts of the last half century that have greatly reduced the amount of CO2, SO2, etc. from burning coal, industrial manufacturing processes, etc., things are STILL GETTING WORSE according to the Man made global warming crowd.

    I do not believe man’s activities thus far affects the world’s climate. (Maybe if we had a big arsed nuclear war we would have climate change?)
    ******************************************
    Big arsed asteroids hitting the earth…can cause climate change…

    Big volcanic eruptions (like Krakatoa) can cause climate change…

    Sun spots and sun flare activity can cause climate change…

  95. Cash Cow TM says:

    And another thing…

    the bunch who claim that if you are against the illegal alien caravan coming to the U.S. then you are anti-immigrant.

    Cow is not anti-immigrant.
    Cow IS anti-ILLEGAL immigrant.

    BIG difference.

  96. mnw says:

    Cow

    Gov. Justice stepped on his bathroom scales. The scales digital readout replied, “One at a time, please!”

  97. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    94. To add to what your saying Cow, people are claiming the fires in the West are proof of climate change. In fact huge fires have been burning for centuries. Here is an example I wrote about elsewhere:

    “In 1910, one of the largest fires in U.S. history took place, burning an area in Montana and Idaho the size of Connecticut (3 million square miles); destroying several towns, and killing 89 people — am sure if it happened today it would be referred to as major proof of climate change. The west has a continual record of large fires, such as the Santiago Canyon Fire in 1889 that burned areas in Orange, Riverside and San Diego County. It covered 300,000 acres, and would have been larger if it had merged with several other large fires at the time in San Diego County.”

  98. lisab says:

    san diego,

    on May 19, 1780 the sun did not shine in new england

    the sun was blotted out by fires in the west

    Roosters crowed, woodcocks whistled, and frogs peeped as if night had fallen at 2:00 p.m. in Ipswich, Massachusetts. A witness reported that a strong sooty smell prevailed in the atmosphere, and that rain water had a light film over it that was made up of particles of burnt leaves and ash.[5] Contemporaneous reports also indicated that ash and cinders fell on parts of New Hampshire to a depth of six inches.[6]

  99. lisab says:

    climate change is incredibly complicated and mostly driven by the sun

    we happen to be in a VERY low cycle of sunspot activity and have been for a decade

  100. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Yesterday in the CA CD-21 race, the Democrat took the lead by about 400 votes after trailing by a like amount late last week.
    Kern County tallied its 3000 provisional ballots ,which mostly consisted of same day registration votes and absentee votes harvested by Democrat activists on election day.
    No one should be surprised that the Democrat carried these votes by over a net 40%, whereas the Democrats carried the prior batches of votes by approximately 15%.

    CA–corruption is thy name!

  101. Messy says:

    95. There are no illegal aliens in the caravan. Each and every one is in Mexico LEGALLY. If you want to bitch about them, bitch about the people who paid for the caravan, that is the NGOs who told these mostly innocent people a bunch of lies and got them into this position.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they were paid by some Republican donors as a campaign stunt.

    101. How is it corrupt? Everything done in CA was on the up and up and done transparently.

  102. Messy says:

    85. We already have one, and it’s called Voice of America. Its actually extremely good and the website is available in the US. https://www.voanews.com/

    If Some here want a VOA cable news channel, that might be an idea for further discussion.

  103. mnw says:

    Ebola! And remember, Gore = no 9/11!

  104. Tina says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2018/11/26/watch-six-years-ago-obama-promised-to-buy-a-chevy-volt-now-it-is-dead/

    Bye bye obumblers cars of the future.

    The Heavily gubment subsidized Volt is no more.

  105. michael corleone says:

    #102 – You can’t be serious about CA. Just because the Dems in the legislature legalized voting fraud in the form of ballot harvesting doesn’t make the process anything less than a form of voter intimidation. No one today would say a poll tax was on the up and up just because it had the legislature’s imprimatur. A class action lawsuit is required to root out this rampant CA corruption.

  106. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #106
    Messy is a brainless Democrat shill.
    He/she confuses ballot counting tranparency with the illegitimate submission of the ballots through harvesting.
    Ballot harvesting breaks the “chain of custody” once the voter hands-over his ballot to a third party. No one knows what happens to the ballot from hand-over to receipt by the County Election’s Board.

    By the way, it took THREE WEEKS for the Democrats in CA CD-21 to reverse the original election result. That’s a long time and,yet, they are still counting ballots.
    The Democrat will almost certainly prevail since the remaining ballots are provisional, which highly favors Democrats and are mostly due to same day registration.

    The Republicans lost the following Congressional seats post-election due to the last tranche of provisional and mail-in ballots:
    NJ-3, NM-2, UT-4, ME-2, all seven CA seats and the AZ-Senate

  107. Barrett says:

    Messy, if they are in Mexico legally, then that’s where it ends. Once they try to cross the US Border, they are here illegally – it’s as simple as that.

    I’m amazed by the Democrats continued efforts to paint everyone as victims. They are not victims of some NGO conspiracy, they made the decision to head to the United States of their own volition.

  108. mnw says:

    Reports say John James is under consideration for U.N. ambassador– I think that would be a brilliant move.

  109. Waingro says:

    “Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy

    Exclusive: Trump ally met WikiLeaks founder months before emails hacked by Russia were published”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

  110. Cash Cow TM says:

    My stomach hurts.

    I think this is proof of climate change and globull warming.

  111. Tina says:

    The guardian story is likely fake news.

  112. Waingro says:

    Wikileaks pushes back STRONGLY on Guardian story.

    WikiLeaks
    ?
    @wikileaks

    Remember this day when the Guardian permitted a serial fabricator to totally destroy the paper’s reputation. @WikiLeaks is willing to bet the Guardian a million dollars and its editor’s head that Manafort never met Assange. https://archive.fo/pUjrj

  113. Tina says:

    The authors of the guardian story’ have fabricated stories on wiki leaks before.

  114. Phil says:

    After tonight we are looking at a 53-47 Senate. Confirm scores of judges and there isn’t a thing Schumer and company can do about it for the next two years. Nothing.

  115. janz says:

    #112. Tina, I agree.

  116. Barrett says:

    Guardian Story is probably misinformation. Trump would never ever put himself in that situation – especially with the knowledge that a special counsel had already been formed.

    I don’t about Manafort. My gut tells me he wouldn’t compromise himself either. I’d like to see where the guardian got their information.

  117. Tina says:

    This story would have been front and center a year ago.

    The guardian reporters have published fake news about wiki before.

    Also, usually the Jebot would be here pushing fake news (Papadope wore a wire). No Jebot.

  118. Tina says:

    No doubt that Fuhrer Mulehead is nearing an end.

    He, prolly through his pit bull, Weissman, who is a drat hack, is angry at Manafort.

    They admit that Manafort gave them nothing.

  119. Barrett says:

    Tina, I agree. Unless Mueller is a genius beyond anyone’s comprehension and can see something that nobody else could possibly see, the investigation needs to draw to a close.

    The investigation officially begin in May of 2017, which means it’s 18 months long. If Mueller is just holding out until the Democrats take the house, then that is a clear indication that he has been biased from the beginning.

    If Bitter is around, I would want to know if there are any legal ramifications for purposefully holding onto information for partisan reasons. It’s a possibility

  120. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    FWIW from the Jackson MS Clarion Ledger Newspaper:

    11:35 a.m.

    Leah Rupp Smith, spokeswoman for the Mississippi secretary of state’s office, says voter turnout is “steady but slow” for a U.S. Senate runoff — the last of the midterm elections.

    Voters are choosing between a white Republican backed by President Donald Trump and a black Democrat who’s a former congressman and former U.S. agriculture secretary.

    Appointed Republican Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith and Democrat Mike Espy are competing for the final two years of a term started by retired Republican Sen. Thad Cochran.

    Zakiya (zah-KEE-ah) Summers is an election commissioner in the state’s largest county, Hinds. She says she hasn’t seen long lines.

    Hinds County is largely African-American, and high turnout there is important to Espy as he seeks to become Mississippi’s first black U.S. senator since Reconstruction.

  121. dblaikie says:

    83 It is fear and trepidation that I tread into the morass of the Book of Joshua. First let me start by saying that long ago I took this vow: “Do you accept the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be, by the Holy Spirit, the unique and authoritative witness to Jesus Christ in the church universal, and God’s Word to you?”
    I still stand by that vow. Yet me point out that the words inerrant or infallible are not in there. Instead “authoritative witness”is used. That means at least for me to view works like Joshua not historically but theologically. A part of that witness is the evolving view of God that emerged through the history of the people of Israel.

    First came the extremely important leap from Polytheism to Monotheism. In the give and take of Biblical History slowly the view emerges that Yahweh is not only the most powerful God, where no other Gods should be put before him, but the only God. Joshua is a part of that process. In the destruction of Jericho, the people of Israel were not only wiping out the Canaanites but also their Gods. Yet soon would come the belief that the other Gods were just stone and wood.

    Having made the above point, let me simply say that a very important view was emerging of the power of God. Yes it is portrayed and interpreted in a violent way, but the establishment of an all powerful single deity is a major revelation.

    Thank goodness the evolution continues and in the Prophet’s and many of the Psalms comes the belief not only in the power of God, but in His love and compassion.

    Of course, for the Orthodox Christian this revelation reaches its triumph and climax in Christ who would never condone something like Genocide.

    In early Church History there was a strong feeling by many that the Old Testament needed to be removed from the Scripture. It was frankly a close call. The majority viewpoint was that despite the problems the Old Testament was needed because it revealed the culture from which Jesus came. And its was a witness of a people who would slowly develop a true picture of a compassionate God that was willing to die for others on a cross of wood.

    Hope I wan’t too preachy.

  122. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    It appears that the Democrats have already started legal activity in today’s Miss. run-off election.

    @JessFurst
    Follow Follow @JessFurst
    More
    BREAKING: Fed court declines to extend AB ballot deadline in #MSSen run-off, citing likelihood of voter confusion and importance of transparent and efficient elections. Proud of @nrsc for intervening to uphold the law and protect the integrity of tonight’s election results.

    1:05 PM – 27 Nov 2018

  123. Messy says:

    106. Nope. but I AM a Democrat. Have been since Andy Cuomo destroyed the Liberal party a couple of decades ago.

    BTW, does anyone here know the sponsors of the Caravan? I just want to out them for being a bunch of lying sacks of Sh!t for what they did for all those poor people.

  124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    122. Beautifully said dblaikie.

  125. Wes says:

    Can Messy the Moron be any more moronic?

    Andy Cuomo has only been officially in politics since 2006 when he became NYAG. Before that, his claim to fame was being the son of a Governor, working in the Clinton Administration, and dropping out of a 2002 bid for Governor.

  126. Messy says:

    Sixteen years is approximately a couple of decades ago. He remained the Liberal party nominee while actively campaigning for McCall, making sure that the Liberal party fell off the ballot, which literally destroyed it.

    Andy Cuomo first entered politics as an aide to his father in the 1970s. He was a high ranking political in the Dinkins administration in the early ’90s, before being appointed to a CABINET POSITION (secretary of Housing and Urban Development) by President Clinton in 1993.

    Think about that for a moment, Wes. He was in a PRESIDENTIAL CABINET. This is not some rinky-dink bureaucrat position like a mail clerk or an stenographer. This is a POLITICAL appointment that requires confirmation in the Senate.

    what could be more moronic than telling the truth? Oh yeah, using a lie (Cuomo wasn’t OFFICIALLY in politics after he got on the ballot in ’02) to deride the truth.