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Biden Leads Dem Field for 2020, Trump At 44% in GOP Primary

We have new primary polls for both parties in the race for President in 2020 from Harvard and Harris.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Harvard CAPS/Harris)
Joe Biden 28%
Bernie Sanders 21%
Beto O’Rourke 7%
Elizabeth Warren 5%
Cory Booker 4%
Michael Bloomberg 4%
Kamala Harris 2%
Michael Avenatti 2%

The poll also included a trial with Hillary Clinton and she would place 3rd.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Harvard CAPS/Harris)
Joe Biden 25%
Bernie Sanders 15%
Hillary Clinton 13%
Beto O’Rourke 9%
Elizabeth Warren 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Michael Bloomberg 3%
Kamala Harris 2%
Michael Avenatti 1%

On the other side, a plurality of Republicans still love Trump although he is below 50% in his own primary.

PRESIDENT – NATIPONAL – GOP PRIMARY (Harvard CAPS/Harris)
Donald Trump (inc) 44%
John Kasich 6%
Mitt Romney 6%
Paul Ryan 5%
Ted Cruz 5%
Jeb Bush 3%
Nikki Haley 2%
Jeff Flake 2%
Ben Sasse 1%

This poll was done November 27-28 among registered primary voters in each party.

Posted by Dave at 10:31 am
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594 Responses to “Biden Leads Dem Field for 2020, Trump At 44% in GOP Primary”

  1. lisab says:

    i still think biden could win

  2. lisab says:

    kasich and flake could run, but as third party

    flake would go nowhere, but depending on the dem candidate, kasich could throw the election to the dem OR to trump.

    if the dem candidate is too crazy, kasich might actually be a spoiler for the dems, much like anderson ran to take down reagan, but ended up hurting carter.

  3. Barrett says:

    The way I see this:

    Trump: 44%
    Not Trump: 30%
    Undecided: 26%

    Those undecideds would really have to rally behind one candidate in order to present a formidable challenger to Trump. The third party option is far more likely.

  4. Barrett says:

    Autofill accidentally posted my full name, but it looks like the post didn’t go through.

    I’ve been posting here for several years now. I trust you folks enough to use discretion if my personal email and last name come through.

    Stupid auto-fill

  5. CG says:

    If the Republican side is true, 44% is a pretty eye-opening number.

    Before the midterms, I would have expected him to be polling at about 80% among Republicans for re-nomination. Things have clearly started to shift in a big way. Yes, any Trump primary challenger would have to coalesce support.

    No incumbent President of any party in modern times, has ever been remotely as weak for nomination at this point in a cycle if that poll is true.

    I think Trump and those close to him are in far more legal trouble than his fans here want to acknowledge and that it is far less certain he will even be running again.

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    Barrett is really Kate Upton? Yessssss!!!

  7. Barrett says:

    Bitter, what did I tell you about discretion. Now everyone will be emailing me!

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is Tina? I need to know how Hillary got Trump to hire his former personal attorney so she could use the attorney to destroy Trump if he switched parties to run as a Republican and beat her in the race for President.

  9. Bitterlaw says:

    Sorry, Kate.

  10. lisab says:

    No incumbent President of any party in modern times, has ever been remotely as weak for nomination at this point in a cycle if that poll is true.
    —————————————–

    1980 Ted Kennedy vs. Jimmy Carter
    1976 Reagan vs. Ford
    1968 McCarthy & Kennedy vs. Johnson

  11. lisab says:

    reagan was also wildly unpopular after his second year, but climbed out of it fairly quickly after the midterms, so avoided any possible challenge

    but, like trump, reagan’s core supporters would probably never have left him, making a challenge pointless

  12. CG says:

    Those comparisons would not be consistent with 44% nationally in the party for nomination.

    Of course, all three examples were not elected President that cycle.

  13. CG says:

    And Reagan was never “wildly unpopular.”

  14. lisab says:

    And Reagan was never “wildly unpopular.”

    reagan was hated by the dems

  15. CG says:

    There was a poll in early 1978 that showed Kennedy ahead of Carter 46-44. After the Iranian hostage crisis which began in November of ’79 though, Carter had a substantial lead.

  16. lisab says:

    Those comparisons would not be consistent with 44% nationally in the party for nomination.
    ——————————————

    kennedy was beating carter in the polls 2 to 1 in the nomination race

    reagan and ford were about equal, with ford having an edge

    and johnson was favoured by about 2 to 1 over mccarthy

  17. CG says:

    There sure were a lot of Democrats who voted for Reagan.

    It is true that the economy improved between 1982 and 1984 after a long recession ended, boosting Reagan substantially.

    I don’t see a parallel with Trump today since people already think the economy is good and he is so disliked.

  18. CG says:

    The main takeaway from the poll would be how fast and how steep Trump has fallen among Republicans. His approval rating within the party had been over 80% (which is somewhat lacking itself for many Presidents within their party), and now he is at 44% in a horse-race poll for re-nomination.

    Something happened after the midterms to get Republicans thinking differently about the future.

  19. lisab says:

    actually gallup’s poll of trump’s job approval among republicans is 89% now

    higher than it has ever been before

  20. Wes says:

    I would say Corey is right.

    The midterms themselves—which, outside the House, were not too bad—weren’t the impetus for Trump’s drop among Republicans. Rather, Trump’s Puerile boorishness and attacks his fellow Republicans for not supporting him probably hurt his standing with the GOP and created a widening interstice between him and non-Trumpers.

    That’s why I warn Trump needs to do as Clinton did and reinvent himself in the minds of the American people. I see small chance of his losing renomination but a great chance of his losing reelection if he does not.

  21. MichiganGuy says:

    “If the economy continues strong, Trump will be reelected. The Democrats (my party) have been in chaos since the 2016 election and have no coherent message except Trump hatred.”
    .
    https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/

  22. NYCmike says:

    Wes tries to give good advice in the hopes that the Republican party retains the White House.

    “CG”, the “real true Republican”, hopes beyond hope that Trump has a disastrous 2 years, BUT, of course, does NOT want the Democrats to win the White House in 2020.

  23. lisab says:

    if the dems want to win

    they have to come up with a candidate

    right now they don’t have one

  24. lisab says:

    Emails of top NRCC officials stolen in major 2018 hack
    ————————————

    probably russians

  25. CG says:

    My good advice for Republicans if they want to win the White House in 2020 and beyond 2020 is to dump Trump post-haste and formally denounce him.

  26. Barrett says:

    I lumped these into simpler categories.

    For Republicans:
    Trump: 44%
    Not Trump: 30%
    Undecided: 26%

    For Democrats:
    Has-Beens: 41%
    Socialists: 21%
    Crazies: 13%
    Undecided: 25%

  27. Barrett says:

    Also, popular vote totals for 2016 Republican Primaries

    Donald Trump: 45%
    Ted Cruz: 25%
    John Kasich: 14%
    Marco Rubio: 11%
    Ben Carson: 3%
    JEB! 1%
    Everyone Else: 1%

    Trump is on par for what he received last time

  28. CG says:

    Something tells me the field will be smaller…

    I don’t know if this poll is very accurate or not, but it’s horrific politically for an incumbent President to have 56% of the party unwilling to say they would support you for re-nomination.

    And that’s beside the fact whatever the JA among Republicans might be. Clearly, some people who approve of his policies believe the party can do better than him or fear he cannot win.

  29. lisab says:

    but it’s horrific politically for an incumbent President to have 56% of the party unwilling to say they would support you for re-nomination.
    ———————————-

    that is not what the poll says.

    as mentioned above, trump’s approval among republicans is at 89%, higher than ever before.

  30. Barrett says:

    Because Trump won with 45% of the vote in 2016 and polls at 44% now, I’m inclined to believe that without a wide-open primary, he will probably perform better than last time.

  31. jason says:

    “but it’s horrific politically for an incumbent President to have 56% of the party unwilling to say they would support you for re-nomination.”

    Translation: we should go with one of the guys 94% or more of Republicans don’t want.

  32. CG says:

    I think there is reason to believe that Trump’s JA has fallen among Republicans. Something to keep an eye on, but as mentioned, that is irrelevant from the horse-race polls.

    Needless to say, if he is a candidate for reelection, all aspects, primary or general, will be considered a referendum on him. If Republicans have these many doubts about him as a candidate now, its a very bad sign for him.

  33. jason says:

    Trump:

    “I am a tariff man”

    Now that it is clear and from the horse’s mouth himself, maybe those here that say Trump’s tariffs are a “strategy” and a “threat” and “strategic” and all that BS will admit Trump is a protectionist and an isolationist.

  34. jason says:

    Because Trump won with 45% of the vote in 2016 and polls at 44% now, I’m inclined to believe that without a wide-open primary, he will probably perform better than last time.”

    Exactly.

    He will do much better in the primaries than he dis last time, when most R voters did not vote for him.

  35. CG says:

    He won’t be running in the Republican primaries, if faced with a formidable challenge there.

    He probably is not going to run for reelection. We have a lot of drama ahead of us.

  36. CG says:

    Nonetheless, one does not have to be a Math professor to know that 45% against a dozen or so others goes a lot further than 45% against perhaps one person.

    Against perhaps one person, you may be trailing. Time will tell.

    If Republicans want to mount a serious primary challenge to Trump, with the intent of winning, they will be wise to coalesce behind one candidate.

  37. jason says:

    as mentioned above, trump’s approval among republicans is at 89%, higher than ever before.”

    And that makes sense. Trump has delivered for Rs, has kept his promises, and there is really no reason for Rs not to approve of his job performance. I don’t agree with all of his promises, but I have to admit he has tried to keep them.

    I think most Rs understand its not in their interest to buy into the MSM’s sordid war against Trump, that only benefits the Dems.

  38. Coree says:

    The formidable candidate who will scare Trump from seeking re-election? JEB!

  39. CG says:

    In many places, Independents (or self-described Democrats) can vote in Republican primaries as well of course.

    Trump’s overall job approval number is low. After the midterms, that cannot be denied after all the talk about “the polls are wrong… and “Red Wave! Red Wave!”

    I would have to see something on paper to suggest Trump is currently at 89% among Republicans. I doubt that is the case. (Interesting though that his big fans on here today are the self-professed “non-Republicans.”

    Nonetheless, it makes a lot of sense that someone could theoretically approve of his policies and want him to not be nominated because they do not like him personally, think someone else can do better, or realize he may not be able to win against a Democrat.

  40. Wes says:

    Lisa, 1930 was a worse year in the House for the GOP than 2018 was. Dems still had a contested primary in 1932, and Roosevelt never won the nomination till John Nance Garner cut a deal with him on the fourth ballot.

    None of that had any effect on the 1932 presidential results.

  41. jason says:

    He won’t be running in the Republican primaries, if faced with a formidable challenge there.”

    LOL

    Like Trump is afraid of a “formidable challenge”.

    He had like 1% when he rode down the escalator to run against the juggernaut Jeb Bush, who was going to “clear the field”, “suck up the money”, “take all the endorsements”, etc

    I agree that if you want to beat Trump in the primaries, the opposition would have to coalesce around one candidate.

    Having said that, I don’t see any such candidate and even then, I would bet on Trump 1 on 1 too.

  42. CG says:

    At the moment, Trump’s entire focus is on Robert Mueller, as it should be.

    We are in for a lot of drama.

  43. CG says:

    I mean, he should be focused on the oath of office he took and abiding by the Constitution, but since we know he isn’t, it makes sense, based on everything we know about him, that he is obsessed with Mueller and where this is all going to wind up.

  44. Wes says:

    Trump is a hefty favorite for renomination. I doubt he will attract a serious opponent or lose if he does.

    Reelection is a different animal since Trump as a polarizing figure attracts both strong support and strong opposition and will need to boost his popularity to have a decent shot at winning in 2020.

  45. CG says:

    I’ve maintained from the beginning that if he seeks reelection as a Republican it would be nearly impossible to dislodge him (which is why I considered this 44% poll number to be pretty shocking), and that as long as Democrats continue on the path they seem to want to continue on, there will be a lot of space for a third party center-right candidate in the general election. That is an avenue that one or more will have to consider rather than a primary challenge, because based on many states’ ballot rules, you cannot do both.

  46. jason says:

    Interesting though that his big fans on here today are the self-professed “non-Republicans.””

    Yeah, isn’t that interesting.

    I am no “big fan of Trump”, although I do like him much more as President then I ever did as a candidate.

    I just don’t see any other viable alternative at the moment if Rs want to prevent a far leftist from being President.

    If Rs want to swallow the MSM narrative about Trump, then they deserve to live under socialism.

    I won’t be voting in the R primary, but I will vote for Trump next time around if he is the candidate in the GE. If the candidate is someone else I will vote him or her too (unless it’s a Paul or a Paulbot).

  47. jason says:

    Trump is a hefty favorite for renomination. I doubt he will attract a serious opponent or lose if he does.

    Reelection is a different animal since Trump as a polarizing figure attracts both strong support and strong opposition and will need to boost his popularity to have a decent shot at winning in 2020.”

    That’s it in a nutshell I think.

  48. CG says:

    We may already have a leftist as President. That’s not the main point to me. Left, right, or whatever he is, he is a disgrace. Character must always come first in my view.

    I think there are numerous better options who would fare better against a Democrat in 2020. The recent midterms should have opened some more eyes, but it is maybe too soon for that to happen.

    I will be voting in the R primary against Trump, even if my only choice is Spanky the Clown.

  49. jason says:

    A lot of Rs and independents that currently dislike Trump will have to decide if they really want a Kamala Harris as President and the consequences therof.

    Last time around I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Trump because I didn’t think he (or Hillary) were fit for office. If I knew then what I know now, I would have voted for him. I was wrong about that.

    Perhaps there are Rs that voted for him last time and now would not vote for him. Nobody on this site has said that. It’s more likely there are some former never Trumpers like me that would now vote for him than the other way around.

  50. jason says:

    We may already have a leftist as President.”

    Maybe, but he is not governing like one for the most part.

    And Trump is never going to be as left as anyone on the Dem field in 2020. Not even close.

    think there are numerous better options who would fare better against a Democrat in 2020.”

    I don’t see anybody, and as Wes says, nobody is going to beat Trump for the nomination if he runs.

  51. CG says:

    You may have been wrong. I was right and will continue to be right in opposing Trump.

    One does not have to vote for Kamala Harris in November to maintain their dignity either.

  52. CG says:

    This site isn’t America. We saw this past November that a good deal of Trump’s voters went Democrat. There may be multiple reasons for that, but clearly, many have soured on him personally.

    I would point to someone like former Congressman and current radio host Joe Walsh though who enthusiastically voted for Trump against Hillary, maintains he still likes much of Trump’s agenda, but has come to realize how chronically dishonest Trump is and how disloyal Trump is to America and thus will never vote for him again.

  53. jason says:

    No third party candidate is going to do anything except ensure a Dem victory.

    Corey knows that.

    Any Dem, even the ghost of Fidel Castro, can get 45% of the vote.

    So if the R and the third party candidate split the remaining 55%, nobody is going to get to that number.

  54. CG says:

    Why would a third party help the Democrats? Maybe it would hurt the Democrats? That’s what the Trumpists here were saying not long ago.

    I disagree that any Democrat can get 45% if there are other options. Against Trump alone, any Democrat is almost certain to win the popular vote and Republicans need another inside flush to get to 270.

    I think a center-right third party can win. Remember, it’s all about the Electoral College of course and who can win a plurality in the states that count most. If not, at least it is a viable option for those who wish to actually vote for something rather than against something.

  55. jason says:

    We saw this past November that a good deal of Trump’s voters went Democrat.”

    Actually, we didn’t see that at all.

  56. CG says:

    Ok, you can continue to be in denial about the midterm results if you wish.

  57. CG says:

    Of course, Trump, as an unpopular and polarizing President, walking away, solves the “third party spoiler” issue, if that is what you are most worried about.

    People here will cry though if and when that day comes because they see something in DJT they like. Sad.

  58. jason says:

    No third party candidate can win.

    Even if the polls showed a third party generic candidate with a strong showing, that strength would dissipate as soon as you had a name.

    The fact is third party candidates don’t win and in fact always get less of the vote the polls show, because in the end the 2 party system is just too entrenched.

    A Kasich maybe could get 15% of the vote, enough to sink Trump but nowhere close to winning. And IMO he would be the strongest third party candidate.

    The theory that Kasich, even as watered down conservative, would get many Dem votes is a joke.

  59. jason says:

    I hope Trump doesn’t walk away.

    If he does, yeah, sure it’s a new ball game and we will need to find another candidate.

    As far as I know, he is running, so I will base my comments on that.

  60. Barrett says:

    If Kasich ran as a third party candidate, I would predict that whatever percentage he received, his vote breakdown would be something like this.

    Republican – 60%
    Independent – 30%
    Democrat – 10%

    In other words, if he did get 15% as Jason suggested, I doubt anymore than 10% of that would be from Democrats. They are out for blood and they won’t abandon their candidate.

  61. jason says:

    Ok, you can continue to be in denial about the midterm results if you wish.”

    I’m not in denial.

    There were many factors in the results, and Trump was at most one of them.

    Anyone who says otherwise is the one in denial.

    The historical fact the party in power almost always loses seats in Congress, retirements, and other issues like PA gerrymandering, Corey Stewart running in VA, the CA GOP disaster, etc. have a lot more to do with the results than Trump.

  62. jason says:

    Yep, Barrett, Kasich would get few Dem votes.

    They are locked in 45% even if they ran Dennis Kucinich or the Cortez nutjob.

  63. CG says:

    The same people saying “no third party can win” are the same people who said “Trump can never win.”

    If 2016 taught us anything, it should be that almost nothing is impossible.

  64. CG says:

    I think Kasich could get many Democrat, Republican, and Independent votes.

    Would definitely be helpful to be on the debate stage though assuming Trump would even agree to debates.

    Again, I have major doubts DJT will be the GOP nominee in 2020 anyway, so all this is speculative.

  65. NYCmike says:

    “The same people saying “no third party can win” are the same people who said “Trump can never win.””

    -You were the main one saying he couldn’t win.

    How many electoral votes did you predict for Hillary?

  66. CG says:

    I said there were several factors in the midterm result. It could be that a lot of Trump’s voters are just Democrats anyway (like he was) and that’s how they voted because they like tariffs, isolationism, etc.

    However, it is impossible to deny that the main impetus behind all the 2018 results was the desire to hold Trump and his party in check and that anti-Trump sentiment carried the day.

  67. CG says:

    I was a lot closer on Hillary’s EV in ’16 than many people were here in predicting how many House seats Republicans would have in ’18.

  68. CG says:

    Speaking hypothetically, I assume the situation would be that if Kasich does run as a third party candidate and a Democrat winds up winning, it will be said that the Democrat would have still won anyway.

    Again, Trump walking away makes this moot. Eventually, even some more people on HHR will come to this realization. Trump is a very weak potential nominee.

    Maybe we can get Mitt to pick up the pieces. He got a larger percent of the vote as nominee than Trump ever did and a whole lot better than Trump did in places like Texas and Georgia which are *must wins* for any Republican, and are becoming increasingly at risk under Trump (and will be even harder after 2020 if Trumpism is not eradicated.)

  69. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    52. “We saw this past November that a good deal of Trump’s voters went Democrat.”

    I did not see that at all. What appeared to have happened is Democrats were motivated and turned out heavily, unlike in 2016. The rural and conservative areas stayed Republican, which is one reason the Republicans picked up Senate seats.

  70. CG says:

    Republicans and conservatives turned out in 2018 as well though. They were outnumbered. The results are what they are. Enough incumbents in competitive areas lost to prove it. Trump being unpopular was maybe not the only factor, but certainly the number one factor.

  71. CG says:

    Under present trends, the rural and conservative areas can stay with Trump in 2020 and he is headed for a sizable defeat.

    We need a nominee who can expand beyond the rural and conservative areas.

  72. jason says:

    I was a lot closer on Hillary’s EV in ’16 ”

    LOL

  73. NYCmike says:

    “Republicans and conservatives turned out in 2018 as well though.”

    -Need to look at more information about this.

    If you look at NY-11, where Dan Donovan lost, he received like 60% of the vote from 2016, while the Democrat increased their vote by about 10%.

    If Donavan had gotten the same votes as in the Presidential year, he would have won.

    I suspect Grimm will run again in that district and have a good chance to win.

  74. CG says:

    “Every close race will break Republican”

    “The Republican candidate for Governor of Pennsylvania will only lose by 10.”

    LOL

  75. jason says:

    I did not see that at all. What appeared to have happened is Democrats were motivated and turned out heavily, unlike in 2016. The rural and conservative areas stayed Republican, which is one reason the Republicans picked up Senate seats.”

    That is correct.

    There is ZERO evidence “Trump voters went Dem”.

    That is pure BS, made up fantasy.

  76. CG says:

    Grimm, the ex-felon, would have done better?

    Well, then blame Trump for getting so heavily involved for Donovan in the primary.

    Clearly, that is what hurt Donovan.

    Maybe Grimm’s deadender friends skipped voting for him. Did you vote for every Republican on your ballot this past year NYC?

  77. CG says:

    I suppose it is true that even in 2016, most voters were anti-Trump. The electorate in 2018 was even more anti-Trump though.

    There can be no disagreement that anti-Trump voters went against Trump’s party.

    In the past, and as recently as 2016, they voted for other Republicans in those districts. Now, they are nearly all Democrat.

    There will be only 2 or 3 Congressional districts in America that will still have a Republican Congressman where Trump did not win in 2016.

    The trends are really ugly for Trump stewardship of the party.

  78. CG says:

    For the record, according to the national exit poll, eight percent of Trump voters went Democrat while five percent of Clinton voters went Republican.

    So, a rough national situation got worse.

    Yes, the larger story is that non-Trump voters went heavily Democrat rather than indicate they might be ballot splitters.

    Of course, I was an exception to that one since I still voted for every Republican on my ballot this past November.

  79. CG says:

    Among the Clinton voters who make up the 94% who went Democrat in this midterm involved a whole lot of people who had voted for John McCain, Mitt Romney, et al.

    Those folks may be gone forever, as long as Trumpism controls the GOP.

    So, you have your blue collar Trump folks who might not have voted Republican before that you are depending on. Are they going to stay Republican after Trump? Are they invested now in supporting any other Republicans besides Trump? It looks iffy.

    Lightning may strike again in WI and MI (though doubtful) and it won’t mean a damn thing if Republicans are struggling to hold Texas and Georgia because of the suburbs.

  80. jason says:

    “Every close race will break Republican”

    I never said that, you are a pathological liar.

    I said that that races the POLLS showed Dems with very small leads, 2% or so, would likely go R.

    That was certainly true in many races, especially in the Senate.

    “The Republican candidate for Governor of Pennsylvania will only lose by 10.”

    Ok so he lost by 17. After I made the comment I saw RCP had a few polls showing him losing by more than 20 I hadn’t been aware of, in light of that I would have said he would lose by 15.

    The truth is a lot of R candidates did BETTER than I thought, I never thought Corey Stewart would break 40% in VA.

  81. jason says:

    For the record, according to the national exit poll, eight percent of Trump voters went Democrat while five percent of Clinton voters went Republican”

    LOL..

    Basically a wash. You really can justify saying

    “We saw this past November that a good deal of Trump’s voters went Democrat.”

    on those numbers?

    Gets the “intellectual dishonesty” award of the day.

  82. NYCmike says:

    “Grimm, the ex-felon, would have done better?”

    -That is NOT what I wrote.

    I wrote that vote totals for 2018 were down for Donovan compared to 2016.

    THEN, I mentioned Grimm running again in 2020, at which time I would suspect the vote totals will go up for the Republican accordingly, since it will be a Presidential election year.

    The Democrat incumbent will get around the same totals, maybe a little more. They were extremely motivated and organized this year, and they turned out in force. I predict they won’t increase that total much in 2 years.

  83. Robbie says:

    Wow! The Dow’s down 800. It was really smart for Trump to say he is the tariff man this morning. So much winning!

  84. CG says:

    NYC,

    Presidential elections always have a higher turnout than midterms. Always.

  85. Robbie says:

    I’m old enough to remember this past Summer when Jason fraud said if Republicans lost 40 seats (as I speculated they might) it would be reasonable to blame Trump (aka Individual 1).

  86. CG says:

    The eight percent are the people who are among those willing to admit they voted for Trump. That’s only 40 % total in the exit poll, so there’s likely more than that.

    Only 43% admit to voting for Hillary, so there is some shame among her voters too.

    Those who said they voted for other or did not vote in 2016 went heavily Democrat.

  87. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 4, 2018 at 3:59 pm
    NYC,
    Presidential elections always have a higher turnout than midterms. Always.

    – NYCmike spends a lot of time following politics and yet he seems not to know the basics.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “Wow! The Dow’s down 800.”

    Robbie jumps in with his usual statement when the Dow goes down……..while never telling us when it goes up.

    It must be in negative numbers by now, in Pogo Loco.

    Personally, I would love another 2008 crisis, as I have set aside a nice ca$h cushion.

    “CG”, Robbie, have you done the same in preparation for the “TrumpTumble”?

  89. CG says:

    If someone is seriously comparing raw vote numbers from 2016 to 2018…

    Yeah, not much more I can say.

  90. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 4, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    reagan was also wildly unpopular after his second year, but climbed out of it fairly quickly after the midterms, so avoided any possible challenge
    but, like trump, reagan’s core supporters would probably never have left him, making a challenge pointless

    – This is so stupid it could only be found in the HHR comment section.

    Reagan was never personally unpopular as your lord and savior Trump is. That’s why he was able to recover from the bad economy in 1982 and win in 1984.

  91. CG says:

    Trump is hurting my 401K today.

  92. NYCmike says:

    “Presidential elections always have a higher turnout than midterms. Always.”

    -AND your point is what? I spoke about one district.

    Dems in CD-11 came out in Presidential election year numbers.

    They will not exceed their totals by very much, if any, in 2020.

    I predict Republicans will get more votes in 2020 in that district.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is hurting my 401K today.”

    -GREAT!

    We are young. Buy more today, so in 20-30 years the number of shares you have will be more, and they will most likely go up in value.

    You can THANK President Trump at that time.

  94. CG says:

    The same would hold true in any district in America.

    There are a lot more votes in a Presidential election than a midterm.

    This midterm had high turnout though, by midterm standards.

  95. CG says:

    Maybe I’ll go taunt my father about the stock market since he (someone who never took any interest in politics) believes every pro-Trump story he reads on Facebook.

    The other night he pulled out the “John McCain was no hero” card (without really having any idea at all what he was talking about.)

    I almost walked out of our Hanukkah celebration.

  96. CG says:

    I neither want to ban phrases nor CNN reporters from the White House.

  97. NYCmike says:

    “I almost walked out of our Hanukkah celebration.”

    -Potentially disrespecting your father over politics…..SNOWFLAKE.

    What would your G-D say about that?

  98. CG says:

    G-d would say he should stay off Facebook.

  99. CG says:

    Don’t we have the same G-d, NYC, or have you joined some fringe religion recently?

  100. Robbie says:

    I shouldn’t have buried the lead. This 2020 primary poll shows what has always been inevitable despite what Jason fraud thought. Trump’s asinine behavior has caught up to him. The country delivered a rebuke to the Republican Party because they are so disgusted with the way Trump has conducted himself as president.

    And make no mistake, this will almost certainly get worse for Donny dingbat. There is no better version of Trump. We’ve been waiting for that jerk to pivot to presidential since early 2016 and he never has. Why? Because he’s incapable. A jerk is a jerk.

    Republican voters will willing to hold their noses and vote for Trump because they didn’t want Hillary. Hillary’s gone now and all that’s left is the piss ant persona Trump is. Now, Republicans are wondering whether they really want to sign up for another four years of this crap and they’re starting to answer no.

  101. CG says:

    Trump is incapable of real change, but I will give credit where credit is due.

    He is doing a great job this week of sucking up to the Bush Family and showing them the respect they deserve.

    That will probably get him out of having to sit through any direct comparisons between him and 41 at the funeral… probably..

  102. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 4, 2018 at 2:08 pm
    Because Trump won with 45% of the vote in 2016 and polls at 44% now, I’m inclined to believe that without a wide-open primary, he will probably perform better than last time.”
    Exactly.
    He will do much better in the primaries than he dis last time, when most R voters did not vote for him.

    – If Trump continues down this path, he’ll get a credible challenger.

    If bonehead morons like you renominate him, he’ll be defeated soundly in 2020, probably by a landslide.

    But Jason fraud is a moron who now professes MAGA.

  103. Robbie says:

    Unfortunately, Trump being soundly defeated in 2020, possibly by a landslide, may be the only thing that can save the Republican Party from itself. The Tea Party/populist fever has to be broken if the party ever wants to get back to the position it was at the presidential level in the 1980’s.

    But I always have to remember that for some people winning isn’t important. It’s about muh conservatism.

  104. CG says:

    It’s not about conservatism, it’s about “owning the libs.”

    They would rather see a defeated Trump give a fiery speech in which he blames “massive illegal alien voter fraud” than a genuine conservative declaring victory and promising to bring the country together over shared values and opportunities.

  105. CG says:

    Somebody should do a poll between Trump and Sully H.W. Bush.

    I think Sully would be well-ahead. He’s also smarter and more loyal.

  106. Barrett says:

    #104 – I said that in post #30. Get it right

  107. gameboy says:

    I love how the geniuses on this board…i.e Robbie, CG, Wes have declared Trump dead for 2020. As I recall the same geniuses still had Trump going down in a landslide up until 9PM on election night 2016. Trump is the ONLY one of the 17 that year that could have put together the coalition of voters to take down Hillary. Looking at the Buffoons the Dems lined up for 2020 I suspect Trump will have no problem repeating the feat.

  108. CG says:

    Anybody would have defeated Hillary and most would have gotten a lot more votes in the process as well.

  109. lisab says:

    I think there is reason to believe that Trump’s JA has fallen among Republicans.
    ————————————–

    again … trump’s job approval among republicans is 89%

    the highest in his term

  110. lisab says:

    I would have to see something on paper to suggest Trump is currently at 89% among Republicans. I doubt that is the case.
    ———————–

    you can look it up on gallup, there is no paywall for that

  111. CG says:

    What is the source on that?

    The Gallup number that had it at 89 had him up to 90, 91 several times previously.

    It’s also that less and less people are calling themselves Republicans because of Trump.

  112. CG says:

    I did look it up. Your numbers are wrong. It was higher previously.

    Currently, they have him at 40% this week. Not good all around.

  113. Robbie says:

    gameboy says:
    December 4, 2018 at 4:35 pm
    I love how the geniuses on this board…i.e Robbie, CG, Wes have declared Trump dead for 2020. As I recall the same geniuses still had Trump going down in a landslide up until 9PM on election night 2016. Trump is the ONLY one of the 17 that year that could have put together the coalition of voters to take down Hillary. Looking at the Buffoons the Dems lined up for 2020 I suspect Trump will have no problem repeating the feat.

    – This is so dumb it could only have come from a Trumper. Any other Republican would have beaten Hillary soundly. I don’t want to hear this crap about “but only Trump and his coalition could have won”. It’s garbage much like Trump is a garbage human being.

    And the reason we’re reasonably confident Trump is dead meat in 2020 is his job approval. It foreshadowed the massive losses Republicans suffered last month and it foreshadows the massive loss Trump will suffer in two years. Presidents get their job approval rating and no more. This idiot is at 43%. If it’s that on election day, he loses in a landslide.

  114. lisab says:

    We saw this past November that a good deal of Trump’s voters went Democrat.
    ————————————-

    trump got more votes than any other republican candidate ever

  115. gameboy says:

    #110

    Highly unlikely any of the other Reps running that year could have won WI,MI,PA or IA. A couple of the other bozos might have won FL. CG…the old map doesn’t work anymore. The question is will the Reps that run 2024 & beyond learn from Trump. I haven’t seen any indication yet.

  116. CG says:

    And a lower share of the vote than Romney.

    Who are the 2020 first time voters going to be likely to go for?

    Do they seem like Trump fans?

    You all better hope that as many 80 year old plus white men hang on as long as absolutely possible.

  117. lisab says:

    I was a lot closer on Hillary’s EV in ’16 than many people were here in predicting how many House seats Republicans would have in ’18.
    —————————–

    i guess that depends on what you think many is …

    because you were the **WORST** prediction of all usa citizens

    only canadians did worse in 2016

  118. CG says:

    Sure, other mainstream Republicans might have won those states, especially since Hillary forgot to campaign in them, but they would not have been needed, per the map that Republicans have won under before.

    Other states could have gone Republican, as they had before, that Trump lost, and may now be gone for a very long time.

    Trump saw the Republican victory margin in Texas nearly fall in half compared to Romney. He ran significantly worse in Georgia than Romney, the Mormon, had.

    If a Republican loses Texas one day, the other 49 states will never even matter.

  119. CG says:

    And my 2018 predictions were the best, so with the passage of time, I am the reigning champion. I will never get tired of *winning.*

  120. lisab says:

    Reagan was never personally unpopular
    ———————————–

    oh he was HATED … he became more popular after 1988

    but many union people HATED HIM

    because of the air traffic controllers.

  121. CG says:

    Throughout his entire term, people liked Reagan personally, even if they disagreed with his policies.

    His Job Approval went through some ups and downs, including 1982 and 1987 which was pretty tough for him during Iran-Contra, but voters always liked him personally, to the frustration of Democrats on Capitol Hill.

    Obama had a similar appeal to an extent, even when his policies had fallen out of favor.

  122. CG says:

    Reagan left office with extremely high Job Approval numbers and even higher Personal Favorability.

  123. CG says:

    A contrary would be Bill Clinton, who left with high job approval numbers, but much lower personal favorability.

    Trump’s trying to go two for two in being unpopular.

  124. lisab says:

    I did look it up. Your numbers are wrong. It was higher previously.

    Currently, they have him at 40% this week. Not good all around.
    —————————————

    again you are wrong …

    his support among republicans is 89% not 40%

    you keep trying to misrepresent the data,

    which i understand is your job as a troll, but

    blatantly lying on this is unethical even for you

  125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is from the NYT in August 1982

    “Public support for President Reagan’s performance in office has reached its lowest point, according to the latest Gallup Poll. Forty-one percent of those polled approve ”of the way Ronald Reagan is handling his job as President,” while 47 percent disapprove and 12 percent have no opinion, the survey found. In a Gallup Poll in June, 45 percent approved of the President’s overall performance, 45 percent disapproved and 10 percent had no opinion.
    Approval of Mr. Reagan’s foreign policy has dropped 9 percentage points since June and is now as low as it has ever been, according to the poll. Moreover, public disapproval outweighs approval for every major domestic category. The highest rate of disapproval, 66 percent, was over unemployment.
    As was the case in March and April this year, only 36 percent approved the President’s handling of foreign policy. In the latest survey, 41 percent disapproved and 23 percent had no opinion.
    In June, support for Mr. Reagan in this area was 45 percent, with 36 percent disapproving and 19 percent having no opinion. Now public approval of the President’s performance outweighs disapproval in only two areas, national defense (48 percent to 37 percent) and relations with the Soviet Union (44 percent to 34 percent), the survey found.
    But even in these categories support has slipped significantly since June, when 56 percent approved of Mr. Reagan’s handling of defense and 49 percent favored his handling of relations with Moscow.
    Disapproval of Mr. Reagan’s policies predominates in these domestic areas: environmental issues, 41 percent disapproval to 34 percent approval; the energy situation, 49 to 33 percent; inflation, 58 to 33 percent; economic conditions, 59 to 31 percent, and unemployment, 66 to 23 percent.
    Commenting on the survey, Jim Shriver, managing editor of the Gallup Poll, said, ”Unlike our experience with past Presidents, public opinion about Mr. Reagan seems so polarized that changes in foreign affairs have little effect on the public view of his overall competence as President.”

  126. CG says:

    Stacy Abrams apparently said today she may possibly run for President.

  127. lisab says:

    Throughout his entire term, people liked Reagan personally
    ———————-

    maybe the people you personally knew

    as a union member, i can tell you he was hated

    20 years later they STILL hated him

  128. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    123. “Throughout his entire term, people liked Reagan personally, even if they disagreed with his policies.”

    Liberals despised Reagan when he was president.

  129. CG says:

    Again lisa, being more careful will help you.

    Trump’s overall JA in Gallup this week is 40%.

    They do have 89% with Republicans, but it had been higher by a few points several times previously. So that’s different than what you said.

    His numbers among Independents continue to get weaker in this poll.

    Nonetheless, it is possible that he could both be at 89% in a poll for Republicans in regards to JA and also be as low as 44% among Republican primary voters for re-nomination. Both can be true, although I have repeatedly said I found the 44% number pretty surprising.

  130. CG says:

    Reagan sure rebounded, along with the economy.

    He had very high numbers before that, especially after surviving a bullet.

    Trump has been unpopular from Day 1 and his party suffered largely in the midterms.

    (Same could have been said about Hillary. She may even have lower numbers now than Trump had she won.)

  131. CG says:

    lisab has long made it clear that her world revolves around her vantage point as a supposed teachers union member.

    Weird.

  132. NYCmike says:

    https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/pop-culture-conservatives-2018/

    -YUP, Trump is the main problem, NOT the media.

    The media would NEVER treat any other Republican/conservative in the same way. Just look at how well they treated Presidents Reagan, Bush and Bush, and how well (and fair) they treated candidates Dole, McCain, and Romney.

  133. lisab says:

    They do have 89% with Republicans, but it had been higher by a few points several times previously. So that’s different than what you said.
    ———————————

    no … the number i quoted is the MONTHLY job approval numb-nuts

    and i don’t use the n-n word lightly

  134. CG says:

    Are there people other than liberals?

    But yes, radical activists aside, even liberals often said they liked him personally and conceded he was really good at packaging, communication, etc.

  135. CG says:

    The Trumpist Die-Hards are hellbent in insisting he is going to have a Reagan like “comeback.”

    There are just no similarities between the two cases and never have been.

  136. lisab says:

    that her world revolves around her vantage point as a supposed teachers union member.
    —————————————–

    teachers have by far the BEST unions …

  137. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tip O’Neal did not find much to like about Reagan:

    “…Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill rarely worked together and were never friends. Take, for example, the speaker in July 1984: “The evil is in the White House at the present time. And that evil is a man who has no care and no concern for the working class of America and the future generations of America, and who likes to ride a horse. He’s cold. He’s mean. He’s got ice water for blood.”

    Take the speaker in 1983: “He only works three to three-and-a-half hours a day. He doesn’t do his homework. He doesn’t read his briefing papers. It’s sinful that this man is president of the United States.”

    Take the speaker’s own autobiography, published in 1987, which had an entire chapter dedicated to Reagan — and nothing about it was positive. He slammed the president and slammed the president’s friends and president’s supporters, calling them “Reagan Robots.” He called Nancy Reagan “The Queen of Beverly Hills.” The distaste that the speaker held for anyone with an R behind his name was not subtle, especially Reagan.”

    At the time, Reagan was hated as much as Trump is now.

  138. CG says:

    90% of the critical media coverage Trump gets is fair and accurate.

    You all can harp on the 10 percent that may be unfair but it misses the larger picture.

    I am glad that Trump has caused the media to realize how wrong they had been in the grand scheme of things as it relates to Reagan, Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. Maybe they will get better in the future after seeing the comparison to Trump and how off-base they were.

  139. CG says:

    What’s the source on this Reagan- Tip O’Neill anecdote?

    Who wrote it and where?

  140. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    126. Liz said: “again you are wrong …
    his support among republicans is 89% not 40%

    131. “They do have 89% with Republicans, but it had been higher by a few points several times previously. So that’s different than what you said.”

    Looks like lisab was spot on.

  141. lisab says:

    His approval rating within the party had been over 80% (which is somewhat lacking itself for many Presidents within their party),
    ——————————————-

    again 89% not 80%

    and it is the second highest than any other republican president’s in modern times at this time in his presidency, george w.’s being higher

  142. CG says:

    Gallup has had Trump’s disapproval higher than his approval from Day 1. That is unprecedented.

    Reagan had some wild ups and downs in their polls in regards to Job Approval around the time of the end of the recession (and later on during Iran-Contra).

    The concept that Trump might somehow be in the same position Reagan was in 1984 is laughable.

    People did not oppose Trump in the midterms because they think the economy sucks. Quite the opposite. They dislike Trump personally and want to punish him and everyone who allies with him.

  143. CG says:

    It was clear that I was saying 40% was the overall JA for Trump.

    Don’t be goofy.

  144. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    140. “90% of the critical media coverage Trump gets is fair and accurate.”

    Even those who do not like Trump will admit that the press is hostile and bias against him.

  145. CG says:

    And that he largely deserves the hostility.

  146. lisab says:

    i guess it is also clear that actually you meant that trump was going to crush hillary in 2016

    but that is not what you wrote

  147. CG says:

    I thought Hillary would win, but always maintained there was a possibility that I would be wrong and Trump would win.

    You swore up and down for months that Rand Paul would be the GOP nominee because of callers on the Howie Carr show.

    We should all learn from our mistakes. I think I have and will continue to try.

  148. lisab says:

    is paris burning? oui!

    Non, Je ne regrette rien

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88

  149. lisab says:

    I thought Hillary would win, but always maintained there was a possibility that I would be wrong and Trump would win.
    ————————–

    ummmmmmmmmmmm …

    “Perceptions of Trump are baked in. It’s too late for him to win, not that he deserves to.”

  150. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    148. So in your view, when the press attacks Trump they are acting in a fair and accurate manner because “Trump deserves the hostility.”

    So you when the press agrees with you, they have no bias.

  151. lisab says:

    i actually thought bob dole was a bore

    but i am very impressed with him today

  152. CG says:

    And in the same blog articles of mine that you enjoy reading, I would say things like, “hey, it’s possible that everything I know about politics is wrong and the world is crazy and Trump will actually win.. after all the Cubs won the World Series…” etc. etc.

    But yes, I was surprised Trump won. I bet you were too.

  153. CG says:

    It depends on the facts at hand as they relate to Trump.

    If they are wrong, then it’s unfair. I estimate it’s about 10 percent of the time. Which is maybe too much, but detracts from the larger picture of how many inaccurate things and outright lies Trump puts out on a daily basis.

  154. lisab says:

    And in the same blog articles of mine that you enjoy reading
    ———————————–

    sooooooooooooo … you are saying that in your blog you secretly said trump might win

    but … on hhr … you said he was going to lose …

    mmmmmmmmmmkayyyyyyy

  155. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is claiming 90% of the press reports are fair……there were more stories on Melania’s hat while in Africa than on 3-4% economic growth!

  156. NYCmike says:

    “I am glad that Trump has caused the media to realize how wrong they had been in the grand scheme of things as it relates to Reagan, Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. Maybe they will get better in the future after seeing the comparison to Trump and how off-base they were.”

    -Of course they will be nice NOW….those individuals will NEVER occupy the Oval Office in the future.

  157. NYCmike says:

    “CG”: ” Maybe they will get better in the future after seeing the comparison to Trump and how off-base they were.”

    -Democrats and media: MAYBE socialism will work this time!

  158. CG says:

    Perhaps Melania’s hat cost more than 3% of the GDP?

  159. CG says:

    I just think many on the left were taught a lesson about “crying wolf” as it relates to racism, etc.

    Bill Maher even apologized for it.

  160. CG says:

    Theoretically, one day, someone may come along worse than Trump which will make the media and other think Trump looks a lot better in comparison. Let’s hope not, but it’s possible.

    I continue to be interested in where you folks would “draw the line” in regards to someone on “our side” who you simply found unacceptable, regardless of the consequences of non-support.

  161. lisab says:

    I just think many on the left were taught a lesson about “crying wolf” as it relates to racism, etc.

    Bill Maher even apologized for it.
    ———————————————

    Barack Obama Says United States Is ‘Shrouded With Hate, Anger, Racism’

    The former president said the United States has failed to make progress on many issues “because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”

  162. CG says:

    And I voted against Obama three times and would do so again.

    I also think he’s off-base with Trump. Trump has daddy issues, not mommy issues. His mother was practically a non-entity in his life.

  163. CG says:

    Gotta go.

    Happy/Merry (insert your Holiday here) to all.

  164. lisab says:

    Bill Maher even apologized for it.
    ————————————-

    “Trump is like a racist Paul Revere.” — bill maher 🙂

  165. Scooterboy says:

    I’m not convinced any of the Dems who are currently mentioned can win.
    I’m also not convinced that any of them will be the nominee. I think there will be someone else who emerges.

  166. Tina says:

    The weekly socialist may go under.

  167. Tina says:

    CG says:
    December 4, 2018 at 5:57 pm
    Perhaps Melania’s hat cost more than 3% of the GDP?

    Only a Hillary bot would be worried about it.

  168. Phil says:

    Scooter, it will be Kamala or Beto IMO.

  169. lisab says:

    JOY BEHAR Reportedly Threatens To Quit “The View” If “Entitled B*tch” Meghan McCain Doesn’t Stop Challenging Her

  170. lisab says:

    Michael Avenatti: ‘I Have Decided Not to Seek the Presidency of the United States in 2020’

  171. mnw says:

    All corr-eee troll, all the time!

    Give him a good trollfeed, gang, so you can have even MORE.

  172. Tina says:

    Will the socialist son return the cruise ship deposits?

  173. lisab says:

    after careful consideration, and with the support of her family, my cat has also decided not to run in 2020 … although the vet said it would be good exercise for her

  174. Tina says:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-s-driving-toned-down-trump-n943611

    I thought of Wes’ remarks here on trump, when reading this article.

  175. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Pete the cheats boss, Bill Priestap, retires.

    Some people refer to him as the “deep throat” in obamagate.

  176. Wes says:

    You should check the archives, Gsmeboy, before looking like an idiot. I said Trump would lose the popular vote 46-48 (I was right) and the electoral vote 259-279 (I was wrong).

    Of course if everyone who inaccurately called a race had nothing further to contribute then HHR would quickly depopulate.

  177. Bitterlaw says:

    Wow. CG and Robbie certainly filibustered today. Here is my response to the discussion.

    1. Trump is scum.

    2. I would cross the street to avoid shaking his hand.

    3. I am relieved every day that he defeated Hillary.

    4. I have never voted for a challenger to an incumbent in a primary and I will not start in 2020.

    5. Politics is a street fight and beating the Democrat is what matters most. Character is a luxury in a street fight.

    6. The sight of Bob Dole being lifted to his feet to salute President Bush brought tears to my eyes. There will never be a generation like that again.

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    If being wrong disqualified people from posting at HHR, this place would have shut down no later than 2006.

  179. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Fuhrer Mulehead recommends no jail time for Flynn. Flynn’s lawyer likely to ask judge for dismissal.

    Flynn should be pardoned immediately by trump for the bs set up by the gestapo like tactics, an illegal leak to the compost.

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    Gestapo-like? Fuhrer? I would think somebody as old as Tina would have learned about what the real Nazis were like.

  181. Tina says:

    Yeah nazis,

    Busted Flynn for lying on 1/24. It is not the fib, Mulehead or comedy that sets foreign policy,

    Btw, in the memorandum, it states that Flynn gave 19 interviews to the Gestapo and “other doj offices.”

    He should be pardoned, if the judge does not dismiss this sheot outright.

  182. Tina says:

    The other doj offices are Huber and the ig.

    Sheot will hit the fan soon.

  183. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    At first, when Tina used that nickname, it made me cringe.

    Unfortunately, between the antifa crowd going after people in restaurants, police forces standing down in the face of those same fascist thugs, the continued abuse of their political power by all DC politicians who use it to circumvent laws the rest of us have to follow…what comes next is anyone’s guess…….but the nicknames may end up being correct

  184. NYCmike says:

    “Sheot will hit the fan soon.”

    -You have been saying this for a while now……taking a long time for the sheot to fly!

  185. Tina says:

    Yes, been saying this t for awhile.

    But 3 years of Fuhrer Mulehead/2015 wiretaps/fib weaponized.

    Other doj offices…

    Huber out there and a final ig report.

    Yes, this stuff takes awhile.

    And I have issues with fib claiming that the nsa head lied when it comes to foreign policy. It is not the fibs job to make or set foreign policy,

    That is why Fuhrer Mulehead filing document is sheot,

  186. Tina says:

    Michael Flynn Jr??????
    Michael Flynn Jr
    @mflynnJR
    ·
    Dec 3
    “Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”

    ? Sun Tzu, The Art of War

  187. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – You have been for more than a year that Mueller is wrapping up his investigation. And…….Still going.

    Before you call me a Jebot, I do not believe Trump or his campaign staff colluded with Russia.

  188. Tina says:

    Yet, you believe it, and still want Fuhrer Mulehead to keep on going?

    He runs presidential transitions, right?

  189. Tina says:

    And maybe if your rino congressional friends worried less about how many illegals can enter and defunded Fuhrer Mulehead, it would have been over.

  190. jason says:

    I’m old enough to remember this past Summer when Jason fraud said if Republicans lost 40 seats (as I speculated they might) it would be reasonable to blame Trump (aka Individual 1).”

    Amoral Scumbag has a really bad memory to go along with the morals of a floating turd.

    I said if the Rs lost 40 seats you could blame the extra 10 beyond the historical average on him.

    GFY.

  191. jason says:

    Michael Avenatti: ‘I Have Decided Not to Seek the Presidency of the United States in 2020’

    This is really bad news.

  192. jason says:

    I might have even watched a Dem debate if Avenatti was in it.

  193. Bitterlaw says:

    I just said I do not believe that there was collusion with Russia and Tina responds that I believe it? It’s a little early in the day in California to have that many lemoncellos.

  194. Tina says:

    Sue me, ambulance chaser.

    You don’t believe it…

  195. Tina says:

    Likes
    John Cardillo’s Tweets
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    27m
    Today I asked Roger Stone his take on Kellyanne Conway’s husband ?
    @gtconway3d
    ? claiming that ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    tweeting Stone had “guts” was witness tampering.

    Stone’s reply (
    @newsmax
    video below),

    “George Conway literally doesn’t know his ass from his elbow…”

    Conway does know a good double cheeseburger.

  196. Bitterlaw says:

    Making fun of llamas when Jason is here? Things just got real.

  197. Tina says:

    Yes, bl, my specialty.

    Night, not pissed with you, just annoyed with the hoax and these fake phantom crimes.

  198. Bitterlaw says:

    Not mad at you, either. Have a good night.

  199. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow is on top of searching for top news articles…

    DRUDGE

    “Deer crashes through cop car’s windshield…”

    PLANET OF THE APES: ISLAND OF ‘MONSTER’ CHIMPS RELEASED FROM LABS…

    Ripped monkey four times stronger than humans!

    Gorillas solve puzzle — by cheating…

  200. Gelt Goose says:

    Honk.

  201. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    32m
    According to #Mueller and Democrats it was improper for then National Security Advisor Flynn to speak with the Russian Ambassador, but totally fine for private citizen John Kerry to meet with Iranians and undermine U.S. efforts.

  202. Messy says:

    No. He said it was improper for Flynn to lie about it to the Vice President and the FBI. There’s a difference.

    BTW. Collusion will be revealed by Meuller on Friday. You can continue to believe your fantasies until then.

    194. Too bad.

  203. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #207
    Messy the Moron must be off her medications or, alternately, she works with the Special Counsel’s Office to know that Friday will be the day that the collusion conspiracies will come to light after two years of investigation!
    Maybe she/he can enlighten us hayseeds at HHR before then.

  204. Wes says:

    Is Snipes still a Republican, Messy the Moron?

  205. Phil says:

    “Collusion will be revealed by Mueller on Friday”.

    Really? What time?

    LMAO

  206. Tina says:

    Collusion involving Ebola.

    Ruined the 2014 midterm for Obumbler.

  207. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron’s greatest hits:

    1) Dems lost 2014 because of Ebola.

    2) Brenda Snipes is a Republican.

    Now…

    3) Mueller will expose corruption Friday.

    It’s as if the Onion created a parody handle to use for posting here.

  208. Tina says:

    Messy, the fib interviewed Flynn based on a leak made to the compost, The leak centered around an illegally obtained unmasking involving Flynn. Fuhrer Mulehead references this in his charging document. Also, it involves a personal vendetta against Flynn by McCabe

    It is no business of the Fib (comedy, McCabe, etc.) to be involved in foreign policy. That lies with POTUS. The executive branch could say x about Foreign policy matter A, but really meant B.

    I have a real problem with Fuhrer Mulehead about the Flynn matter in light of the illegal wiretapping, fibs motive to get Flynn, etc.

    Hopefully it is dismissed outright, or the judge tosses the matter. Or, Flynn is pardoned outright by Trump.

  209. Tina says:

    And I know the darts will be mentioning “sitting with Fuhrer Mulehead 19 times.” While he granted 19 interviews, he gave those interviews to Mulehead and his angry ds and to “other Doj offices.”

    There are other matters pending, such as the Clinton Foundation, the creepy Podestas, U1, Simpson lying to Congress, comedy’s false testimony, McCabe false testimony, the mistress and Pete the Cheat. I would not make the mistake that those “other doj investigations” involve Trump.

  210. Barrett says:

    No doubt in my mind that Mueller got Flynn to sing like a canary on something.

    Also no doubt in my mind that this “something” isn’t going to sink anyone. If it took Mueller 18 months to make any findings, chances are he was grasping at straws.

  211. Tina says:

    We need to remember that Flynn worked for the obumbler for 2 years.

    He knew trump for 4 months, and worked for him for 24 days.

  212. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy:
    Now I see why Friday will be such a big day in the Deep State’s assault against our(yes, yours and mine) President.
    Your boyfriend, James Comey, is set to testify and of course, this turd, who belongs in jail, will spill the beans on Trump although he could not do it while he was the FBI Director.
    Am I correct that Comey becomes Superman on Friday?

  213. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no US mail delivery today due to the National Day of Mourning. Do the Derp State conspirators get the day off, too?

  214. Tina says:

    Mimi Rocah
    Mimi Rocah
    @Mimirocah1
    ·
    23h
    I worked on many child sex trafficking cases as a Fed Prosecutor. Epstein ran a child sex trafficking ring. We vigorously pursued these cases & gave breaks only in rare cases, with victim consult. Why wasn’t that done here? Congress should demand
    @JusticeOIG
    find out.
    @MSNBC

    @CNN

    Ask Fuhrer Mulehead, head of the #Resistance now, but then Fib Director.

  215. Wes says:

    John Dingell wants the Senate to be abolished. Congressmen and Senators tend to look askance at each other, but I wonder if Dingell would say this had Republicans lost the Senate as well in November.

    Dingell has the longest history of congressional service, having been a Congressman from December 1959 to January 2015. He retired subsequently after defeating Robert Byrd’s 57 1/2 years of service.

  216. jason says:

    “The suburban wave that nearly swept Democrat Stacey Abrams to Georgia’s highest office last month all but evaporated in Tuesday’s runoff for secretary of state and Public Service Commission.

    Democrats only narrowly held Gwinnett County after winning it by about 15 percentage points in November’s general election. And Cobb County, the long-time Republican stronghold that Democrats easily carried four weeks ago, appeared to have flipped back to the red column.

    The struggles in the close-in suburbs contributed to stinging defeats for John Barrow, a former U.S. House member running for secretary of state, and Lindy Miller, the businesswoman seeking a PSC seat. So did tepid Democratic turnout on the heels of a record-shattering race for governor.

    The result was an election as polarizing as the general election – with the same conclusion: A GOP sweep.”

  217. NYCmike says:

    #221 – Kemp must have stationed The New Black Panthers at the polling places to keep the voters away!

  218. jason says:

    Magnificent ceremony at National Cathedral.

    RIP GHWB, a very fine man and great American.

  219. Wes says:

    RIP, GHWB, war hero and President.

  220. Tina says:

    Yes, rip, mr. President.

    Thanks for everything.

  221. NYCmike says:

    Wonderful ceremony for a good man!

    Amazing how all of these former Republican Presidents became such great people AFTER they left the White House!///

  222. NYCmike says:

    And a fantastic job by DUBYA!

  223. lisab says:

    Epstein ran a child sex trafficking ring. We vigorously pursued these cases & gave breaks only in rare cases, with victim consult. Why wasn’t that done here? Congress should demand
    ————————————

    duh … epstein knows exactly who had sex with underage girls, and may have tapes. i am sure that prince andrew being outed was just to show that epstein had the goods and would take everyone down with him

    imagine a bill clinton sex tape with a 15 year old. it would bring down the dem party

    he is immune

  224. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    3h
    Someone within the Obama admin leaked Flynn’s call to the WaPo. That was a felony. Why is there no interest by Mueller in investigating this actual crime? h/t
    @KimStrassel

    Fuhrer Mulehead is a swamp guardian.

  225. lisab says:

    first spanish contestant, angela ponce, favourite to win miss universe
    ———————————-

    sorry, i don’t see her winning. way

    too western
    too white
    too throwback

    i am thinking someone from the middle east will win this year

    https://st1.latestly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Angela-Ponce-784×441.jpg

  226. lisab says:

    she really isn’t that pretty

  227. lisab says:

    Speaking to Canadian-American writer and journalist Dahlia Lithwick at a conference in Washington DC Tuesday, Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) argued that Democrats were more adept at appealing to voters’ minds than their hearts when asked how Democrats could improve voter turnout.

    “We’re really good at shoving out all the information that touch people here [pointing to her head] but not here [pointing to her heart],” Hirono said.

    “But we have a really hard time doing that and one of the reasons – it was told to me at one of our retreats – was that we Democrats know so much, that is true. And we have kind of have to tell everyone how smart we are and so we have a tendency to be very left brain,” she continued, in reference to the popular theory that left brain thinking is typically associated with linear, analytical thought.

  228. NYCmike says:

    “she really isn’t that pretty”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOIEGz7o_s

  229. lisab says:

    “she really isn’t that pretty”
    ————————————

    she looks way too much like a young melania trump to win

    i am sure they will pick someone who looks more like michelle obama

    it would just be way too un-pc to let a melania-look-alike to win

  230. lisab says:

    Princeton Acapella Group Drops ‘Kiss the Girl’ cuz Toxic Masculinity

    “The song launches a heteronormative attack on women’s right to oppose the romantic and sexual liberties taken by men, further inundating the listener with themes of toxic masculinity,” wrote The Daily Princetonian’s Noa Wollstein, Inside Higher Ed reported Monday.

    “We sincerely apologize to any of our past participants and audience members for whom our performance of this song was uncomfortable or offensive,”…

  231. lisab says:

    Eat more than 6 French fries and risk your life, expert says

    Nobody needs an expert to tell us that French fries are unhealthy, but professor Eric Rimm at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health is trying to ruin them for us anyway.

    There really is no healthy amount to be had, according to Rimm, who calls fries a “starch bomb.” But — if you must — he suggests just six measly spud sticks.

  232. NYCmike says:

    “Eat more than 6 French fries and risk your life, expert says”

    -Not only is Warren Buffet rich, but he is also a finicky eater. He has often said he has the diet of a 6 year old child, burger, fries, and a soda pop.

    He is almost 90 years old, his mind is sharp as ever, and he is in pretty good physical shape.

    The food-enviro nazis should be laughed at…..unfortunately, too many WOMEN and young folk fall for the emotional appeals.

  233. Phil says:

    It is, Mike. You will get either Beto or Kamala in 2020 as your next president. Take your pick. trump won’t beat either.

    Enjoy.

  234. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    I value your consistency!

    Cheers.

    I hope you and your wife are doing well.

  235. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Like the sad song of the Whippoorwill, Phil always expresses pessimism at the beginning of any election night thread.

  236. jason says:

    I spent years worrying Hillary would be the next President.

    I will now worry about Beto and Kamala when they actually get elected.

    Life is too short.

  237. Bitterlaw says:

    After a day of discussing the need for civility in politics, MSNBC and CNN are hammering Trump over collusion.

  238. Tina says:

    Well, now that we can resume politics, looks like senate pulled all of the remaining judicial picks thanks to Rino Flakey.

    A true POS.

  239. Tina says:

    And why was bjs mouth open during the funeral and the Jebot candidate staring into orbit?

  240. Bitterlaw says:

    The judicial picks will all be renominated and confirmed in January.

  241. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    lisab would really be enjoying the climate conference in Poland that is taking place:

    “The Polish government, the host of this year’s climate talks, has repeatedly said that climate action shouldn’t harm the economy and workers. In case negotiators didn’t get the message, Polish coal companies are among the official sponsors of the conference, and the main venue is decorated with actual lumps of coal.
    Coal “will not disappear. We have to remember about the economic and social costs for the economy,” said Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.”

  242. lisab says:

    i would … nothing like a coal fire to keep you toasty warm!

    although it is not my favourite fuel. wood fires smell nice. 🙂

  243. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    249. When Al Gore entered to speak you have been cooking Polish sausage at your desk on a coal fire. Sure some of the Polish delegates would have joined you, and others in the room as well — particularly if the sausage was good. Al would have been impressed.

  244. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    250. Lisab, you could have broken into song for Al, and sung “I’m just a coal miners daughter.”

  245. I have gained a new respect for New York City; if only this could happen in California:

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/12/05/homeless-man-evited-in-nyc-department-of-homeless-services/

  246. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Before you show too much respect, look back several years to when Rudy had just left, and Bloomie was just starting out…..such an encampment would not have lasted a week.

    The CITY lost its toughness due to such good times….there is always the possibility that it will slide back to the way it was. Not very likely, but always a possibility when liberal Democrats are in power.

  247. lisab says:

    actually i am a theoretical physicist’s daughter

    and he worked on solar power and solar radiation for 30 years

    and he completely thought man-made global warming was made up for politics and profit

    (my daddy really was a rocket scientist, nasa, jpl, and the dod — including sac out of rome)

  248. lisab says:

    he worked on radiation effects for 60 years, 30 years on solar, but for sac he was involved in hardening systems against nukes.

  249. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-makes-no-effort-231834282.html

    -More B.S. from the media, which “CG” will ignore……Trump shook both the Obama’s hands, but then the Clintons did not offer, and Carter was sitting beyond them.

    The media is an accomplice of the Democratic Party….to treat it otherwise is like thinking that JEB!2016 was a viable candidate.

  250. lisab says:

    NYC,

    no one care about that

    it would have been odd if trump had gone down the line to greet the others.

    i hope that someone said hi to jimmy carter. he looked very old and alone on the end. bush 2 did say hi to him though

  251. lisab says:

    Socialist Ocasio-Cortez Slams Musk And Tesla For Not Providing A “Return On Investment” To Taxpayers

  252. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    254. “actually i am a theoretical physicist’s daughter.”

    Oh, that’s too bad. But we like you still because deep down you wanted to have been a coal miner’s daughter. Don’t let people shame you.

  253. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    258. “Socialist Ocasio-Cortez Slams Musk And Tesla For Not Providing A “Return On Investment” To Taxpayers.”

    Isn’t this the person who wants a “Green New Deal” that will involve spending hundreds of billions of dollars? She should love Tesla, he has spent billions of dollars of taxpayer money already. He should serve as a role model for her.

  254. lisab says:

    Oh, that’s too bad. But we like you still because deep down you wanted to have been a coal miner’s daughter. Don’t let people shame you.
    ————————————-

    nah … although the 80,000 coal miners produce more electricity than the 3,000,000 green energy workers

    i am happy to be from massachusetts and not west ginia

  255. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    PETA wants to end “speciesism” Therefore it is very important remove the reference to animals out of your vocabulary.

    For example, rather than say “kill two birds with one stone” you should say “Feed two birds with one scone.”

    https://twitter.com/peta/status/1070066047414345729

  256. Robbie says:

    Only a stable genius like Tariff Man (aka Individual 1) could find a way to wreck the stock market.

    Bravo, Trumpers. Your scumbag president did it.

  257. Wes says:

    Is Robbie really MD? When the Dow was going up, MD gave Trump no credit. When the Dow dropped, MD said Trump was 100% responsible.

  258. janz says:

    Wes, I actually felt MD has been here periodically as a parody poster. There definitely have been some signature Trump zings reminiscent of his preelection distaste for the man.

    However, CG and Robbie have shown a continuing behavior to come in heavy and hard on Trump during every economic downturn, while keeping a zipped lip when upturns occur. So, I think they are the real deals – committed anti Trumpers to the end.

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/formmb?lang=en

    MD was busy over the last few days.

  260. Wes says:

    You know, Janz, at one point, I thought Messy the Moron might be MD; however, Messy the Moron is too sloppy and stupid to be MD.

  261. Cash Cow TM says:

    Can find no news about downed jet liners, deer or monkey business.

    All quiet here…

    Off to help Walt do recycling and other errands…!

    As they say at the sauce factory:
    HAPPY HOLLANDAISE!

  262. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, I have read that Trump forced the CHICOM to back down on the tariff war and now the CHICOMS no longer have tariffs on auto imports from the U.S.

    Is that TRUE?

    (I read it on Facebook, so there’s that…)

  263. jason says:

    Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) said Tuesday that Democrats have a hard time connecting with voters because they “know so much” and need to tell people “how smart” they are.”

  264. jason says:

    I think is why I don’t connect with everyone here at HHR.

  265. jason says:

    Bravo, Trumpers. Your scumbag president did it.”

    Of course, I am positive Amoral Scumbag gave Trump a lot of credit when the stock market was going up too.

  266. jason says:

    Stocks are still only 10% lower than the all time high, consumer confidence all time high, a trillion dollar retail sales holiday season expected.

  267. Cash Cow TM says:

    F ing DMV…

  268. NYCmike says:

    “However, CG and Robbie have shown a continuing behavior to come in heavy and hard on Trump during every economic downturn, while keeping a zipped lip when upturns occur. ”

    -You noticed that as well?/

  269. NYCmike says:

    “Stocks are still only 10% lower than the all time high, consumer confidence all time high, a trillion dollar retail sales holiday season expected.”

    -My one hesitation is the amount of low-bad-credit mortgage and other lending commercials on the radio…..reminds me of ’07 and ’08.

  270. lisab says:

    Lena Dunham Apologizes, Admits She Lied To Discredit Alleged Rape Victim

    Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/415469/lena-dunham-apologizes-admits-she-lied-to-discredit-alleged-rape-victim/

  271. lisab says:

    NFL reportedly fines Ezekiel Elliott $13K after he celebrated TD with $21 donation to Salvation Army

  272. Wes says:

    It’s looking more and more as if Harris may have had a tainted win. This opens the door for a special election.

  273. Tina says:

    I did not expect the stock market to do much this year, it went too high last year.

    Buy on dips though.

    And the market recovered a lot today.

  274. Tina says:

    BREAKING: Former AG William Barr has emerged as Trump’s likely choice to succeed Sessions as AG

    IMPORTANT: William Barr in 2017 told NYT there was more basis to investigate the Clinton-Uranium One deal than Russian collusion
    (link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/william-barr-said-to-be-trump-s-top-choice-for-attorney-general) bloomberg.com/news/articles/… via
    @bpolitics

    Caveat he is a bush 41 retread.

    Joe DiGenova would be my pick.

  275. Tina says:

    Or Ed Meese cloned

  276. lisab says:

    Hate Crime Hoax: Drake University Student Admits to Sending Racist Notes to Herself, Others

  277. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tcmTCh3uss

    -Bitterlaw,

    Was Rocky’s gym a real location in Philly?

    This scene is great! I forgot how much vulnerable Stallone was in the first and second Rocky.

  278. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Wes says:
    December 6, 2018 at 6:41 pm
    It’s looking more and more as if Harris may have had a tainted win. This opens the door for a special election.”
    ******************************
    Who is Harris?
    Elected to what?

  279. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Pro athletes say they will lose fortune under Trump tax ‘cuts’…”

    (Cow comment: good, pro athletes make wy too much money,..)
    ************************************
    I HEAR THE PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS SAID THEY
    JUST WOULDN’T ‘STAND’ FOR THIS!
    *****************

    GET IT?
    STAND for it….

    har de har har har…
    OOPS…shot milk out my nose.

  280. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    You don’t have to go to the beach to surf in Southern California. After 6 inches of rain, you can do it on your local street.

    https://twitter.com/MarkMullenNBC/status/1070856014944067585

  281. Victrc says:

    Wes

    What’s your take on a special with Harris. Will he be able to pull it out, or will this taint him with the voters. It’s a shame after how hard he worked for it.

    Thanks

  282. NYCmike says:

    The Weekly Standard going belly-up?

    What will Bill Kristol do now…..run for President?

    L O L ! !

  283. NYCmike says:

    If you compare how The Weekly Standard portrayed Devin Nunes and Corey Booker, you will get a sense of why it is going belly-up.

  284. Tina says:

    I do not know what the socialist son will do?

    Work for cn and n?

    I know the socialist son was touted as a “real republican” here.

  285. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – A lot of the movies were shot here. I know there are gyms like that around. I will look into it.

  286. NYCmike says:

    10-4 Bitter.

    “how much vulnerable” – that is some good English right there!

  287. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    November Jobs’ Report;

    New Jobs’ Created- 155,000
    Unemployment Rate- 3.7%
    Labor Participation Rate- Unchanged at 62.9%
    U-6 Rate- Unchanged at 7.6%
    Average Hourly Wage Growth- .2%
    AA Unemployment- Lowest Ever

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    296. I should have read the link. The building is real but it was not a gym.

  289. Big Joe says:

    I am a fan of Uncle Joe, but his continued lead in 2020 polls really feels like Rudy 2008. It would be good to see some IA and NH polls as well as GE head-to-head.

    Big Joe

  290. lisab says:

    Lena Dunham Blames ‘the Patriarchy’ for Making Her Lie to Discredit Rape Accuser

  291. Big Joe says:

    It’s weird that when Hillary was added to the list of candidates, all candidates’ numbers went down (not unexpected as she pulled from all), but Beto’s numbers actually went up.

    Big Joe

  292. lisab says:

    french army heading to paris

    this won’t end well

  293. Bitterlaw says:

    Odd. The French army usually flees Paris.

  294. Messy says:

    302. Only in 1814 and 1940.

  295. Marv says:

    If Macron truly wants to save Paris, he should ask President Trump to send the US Army Third Infantry DIvision (The Rock of the Marne) and the US Marines (Devil Dogs).

    They have experience in saving Paris. (1918)

  296. Bitterlaw says:

    Messy forgot the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian war..

  297. Big Joe says:

    The French military will always have a soft spot in my heart thanks to the Marquis de Lafayette. Nice team work with the great Alexander Hamilton to win at Yorktown.

    Big Joe

  298. Tina says:

    Joseph J. Flynn ??????
    Joseph J. Flynn
    @JosephJFlynn1
    ·
    3h
    Replying to
    @JosephJFlynn1
    an accomplice to a crime, that of unmasking and leaking the private comms of a US citizen. There is ample evidence that you were willfully involved in this crime along with your friends in the Obama Admin ( RIce, Brennan, Clapper and others). Call it journalism,? We call
    9
    380
    930
    Joseph J. Flynn ??????
    Joseph J. Flynn
    @JosephJFlynn1
    ·
    3h
    it sedition against a duly elected President and his incoming National Security Advisor. Never know when YOU may be called to testify under oath about who leaked this information.. don’t underestimate the Shanty Irish, we have long memories….
    @BarbaraRedgate

    Flynn’s brother launches at the we hack,

  299. lisab says:

    the clinton foundation, and the clintons, have been under investigation by the irs since 2016

    bill has allegedly been spending the money on himself

    apparently it is serious, not just a few grey area items

  300. lisab says:

    A federal judge has ordered the U.S. State and Justice Departments to reopen the case to determine if Hillary Clinton used a private email server to avoid public disclosure laws during her tenure as Secretary of State.
    ————————

    it seems the clintons are not being protected like they were.

    this may be an effort by the dems to ensure hillary is not on the ticket, because of the lack of an obvious dem candidate right now

  301. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!

    17.9K
    12:02 PM – Dec 7, 2018

    Is fillers or an R and if so, does this count as attacking other Rs?

  302. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    308. The Clinton Foundation served as a political slush fund for the Clintons. While Hillary was Secretary of State, Bill Clinton on behalf of the Foundation travel the world racking in cash from foreign interests that dealt with Hillary. Only a small amount of the money in the Foundation went to charitable causes. There were well over a dozen people on the Foundation payroll making over $200,000 a year. This happened during the Obama administration. Apparently Obama had no problem with it — since it fit in with his Chicago style of politics.

  303. Tina says:

    Explains why you have holder, holder 2-0, comedy, McCabe, Fuhrer Mulehead, etc.

    All protectors of Swamp Clinton.

  304. NYCmike says:

    Ok, why the heck would Trump be bringing up Tillerson right now?!?!

  305. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    310. “His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!”

    Shall we compare Tillerson’s successful record running Exxon with how Trump ran his businesses — with multiple bankruptcies, employees and contractors who were not paid, etc.? Now there are news reports that Trump is not speaking to John Kelly, who will soon leave.

    I’m pretty much done with Trump. The Republicans need to get a new candidate in 2020 who will continue Trump’s policies, but who is not bonkers.

  306. CG says:

    Can we count on NYC to say, “That’s President bonkers to you….”

  307. Tina says:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/420221-tillerson-trump-would-ask-me-to-do-things-that-i-couldnt-legally-do

    Here is Tillerson, assuming it’s true from the hill. No way is trump not going to respond to tillersons statements,

    Pompeo, most importantly is an upgrade.

  308. CG says:

    Is Heather Nauert an “upgrade” to be UN Ambassador?

    Imagine if Obama had picked the State Department spokesperson (as competent in that role as she might have been) to be UN Ambassador..

  309. Tina says:

    Ocasio-Cortez Now wants trump jr to testify because he says “mean things to her on Twitter.”

    Yes, we need to haul people before Congress.

    That is the answer.

  310. Tina says:

    Obama’s Un ambassador was responsible for unmasking Americans,

    Not sure why the un ambassador would have the authority to unmask (quite illegal)..

    She blamed somebody else having her password,

    But skates….

  311. Tina says:

    So, the Jebots want the new ag nominee, Barr, to recuse himself,

    Not a big fan of recycling people from other administrations, but the drafts are triggered because he said the Clinton foundation was criminal.

    Play for pay and buying fuglys wedding dress we’re not obvious/ s

  312. CG says:

    If he thinks things are going so great under Pompeo at the State Department, why not pick an Undersecretary or Deputy or someone with a more substantial background of experience than spokesperson and former Fox and Friends co-host to be the UN Ambassador?

    Did nobody else want the job?

  313. Tina says:

    Looks like comedy did not say much at this hearing, Rs wasted too much time and not having him testify earlier.

    Comedy was protected by two attorneys, including one from doj.

    Ted Lieu, a brain surgeon, told comedy to “wait it out.”

  314. CG says:

    Barr is a Jebot himself I believe.

    I am glad that after this past week, Trump has realized he needs Bush 41’s people around to have credibility and maybe, in his wishes, be praised by the media.

    I doubt Barr will say he will stand in the way of Mueller, so all should be good for him and his nomination.

    Unlike Nauert, he is highly qualified for what he was chosen for.

  315. Tina says:

    I do not care who the un ambassador is,

    I do care if a u. Ambassador is unmasking Americans, as the one did under obumbler.

    Now, why would she be unmasking Americans?

  316. Tina says:

    And pompeo is an upgrade. Everything pompeo has done he has done well.

    Notice drafts starting to target him.

    Why?

  317. Tina says:

    The Un ambassador is no longer a cabinet official position,

    One good move.

  318. CG says:

    Of course Tina and others spent months here saying what a superstar Tillerson was and how he was doing an awesome job and any reports of tension between him and Trump were FAKE NEWS and what an inspired choice for SOS he was.

    Trump will turn on Pompeo one day too. It’s the only thing he knows how to do.

  319. CG says:

    It’s worth noting today that Heather Nauert was directly hired by Rex Tillerson at the State Department.

  320. Tina says:

    As long as the un ambassador does not unmask, do not care about who appointed her, or where she came from.

    Pretty insignicant position,unless you spend a lot of time fronting for Hillary.

  321. Tina says:

    I did say that ?Macaroni would be a sheotty politician,

    Looks like he rounded up high schoolers at gun point.

  322. Tina says:

    Mueller looking into Trump campaign adviser appearances on Russian state TV: report (link: http://hill.cm/HmMvXET) hill.cm/HmMvXET

    More waste of money by Fuhrer Mulehead.

    Now he is in charge of running political campaigns?

  323. NYCmike says:

    “Imagine if Obama had picked……”

    -Imagine if “CG” would try to understand that Obama picks people who agree with his “Blame America First” view of the world as opposed to Trump’s “Let’s Do For America Before Anyone Else” view of the world.

    I don’t know if I totally agree with Trump’s view, as I see it as short-sighted at certain times.

    BUT, compared to Obama (and Hillary, or any other Democrat), Trump has the better view.

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    316. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/420221-tillerson-trump-would-ask-me-to-do-things-that-i-couldnt-legally-do

    “Here is Tillerson, assuming it’s true from the hill. No way is trump not going to respond to tillersons statements,”

    Here is a quote of what Tillerson said:

    “So often, the president would say here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it and I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President, I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law,’ ” Tillerson said in rare public remarks in Thursday night in Houston at a fundraiser for the MD Anderson Cancer Center.

    “I’d say here’s what we can do. We can go back to Congress and get this law changed. And if that’s what you want to do, there’s nothing wrong with that. I told him I’m ready to go up there and fight the fight, if that’s what you want to do,” he added. Tillerson said Trump would show frustration during those conversations.

    These factual comments did not justify Trump’s personal attack on Tillerson.

  325. NYCmike says:

    As for the United Nations, as long as this new person doesn’t do anything like the Obama or Clinton people did, she will be fine.

  326. CG says:

    I think Trump is a Hall of Fame member in the “Blame America” club, but of course the question I raised was not remotely addressed.

    Can anyone defend the Heather Nauert nomination beyond saying, “it doesn’t matter who has the job, it’s not an important one?”

  327. NYCmike says:

    As for Tillerson, if he is saying things now, than Trump has the right to respond.

    I don’t think Trump should respond to a Tillerson attack, but that won’t make me not vote for him.

  328. CG says:

    So, literally is an inconsequential job that anyone can do, regardless of background?

    If it happens to be someone who will be a pretty face on the “shows” all the better?

  329. CG says:

    And as we all know, good people like you don’t think he should shoot someone on Fifth Avenue either, but it wouldn’t make you not vote for him… (or criticize)

  330. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    330. “I did say that ?Macaroni would be a sheotty politician,

    Looks like he rounded up high schoolers at gun point.”

    Agree with your first statement, but if the high schoolers are torching cars and buildings, they deserve to be rounded up.

  331. CG says:

    Imagine her reaction if David Hogg was there…

  332. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I considered the Obama/Hillary Clinton Administration one of the worst in American history. Just wish Trump would stop competing for the same honor.

  333. CG says:

    Whatever one thinks of Hillary Clinton, she had no real power or influence in the Obama Administration. I think the Obama Admin was horrid, especially on foreign policy.

    Foreign policy was run out of the White House then. Trump is doing the same thing to an even larger extent now. What Rex Tillerson is saying about Trump’s conduct is completely believable and also totally unacceptable.

  334. Tina says:

    If you are accusing somebody of “violating the law”, you better have evidence of it. And you better prepared to be hit back harder.

    Has Tillerson said what laws were violated?

  335. Tina says:

    Has he taken any rule violations and reported them to somebody, maybe Fuhrer Mulehead.

    Does he mean international law. If he does, then he should never have been hired in the first place. He may be an excellent oil man ceo, but that is Hillary Clinton esquire.

  336. CG says:

    Clearly, Tillerson is saying Trump wanted to violate laws (whether intentionally or not) and he was advised by Tillerson that such a thing was not possible. So, Tillerson did his job, which frustrated Trump.

    This concept may be beyond some.

  337. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    It is being reported that Leakin’ James Comey was told by Department of Justice attorneys not to answer the most important questions. Total bias and corruption at the highest levels of previous Administration. Force him to answer the questions under oath!

    13.3K
    1:49 PM – Dec 7, 2018

    The House Rs botched this. They waited too long,

    FISA needs to be released.

  338. CG says:

    Tillerson was clearly referring to American law and expressed his willingness to work on behalf of the Administration with Congress to change the laws in those cases.

    That wasn’t good enough for Trump though. He has very little concept of what the Constitution is and despite the oath he took, he really doesn’t care about it.

    Pompeo is almost certainly not going to let him do these things either. Maybe he just has a communication style that Bolton intimidates him less than McMaster did.

  339. CG says:

    I accidentally deleted some words.

    Maybe Pompeo just has a communication style that suits Trump better than Tillerson. Substantively, I don’t think anything will change.

  340. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud to himself – “My lord and savior Trump should be allowed to commit any crime he feels is necessary. If this were Obama or Clinton, I’d be pissed, but this is Trump. I have no problem with him breaking the law.”

    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1

    New SDNY Cohen filing: “Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election [by committing campaign finance crimes] … Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.” [Trump]

  341. Tina says:

    What things?

    Do you mean bleach bit things?

    Do you mean destroy emails?

  342. CG says:

    349. To himself?

    He’ll say it here.

  343. Tina says:

    “Now [Cohen] seeks extraordinary leniency – a sentence of no jail time,” prosecutors wrote Friday. “But the crimes committed by Cohen were more serious than his submission allows and were marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life (and was evidently hidden from the friends and family members who wrote on his behalf).”

    Well this ain’t good. Poor Lanny and dumb .cohen thought they get a light sentence.

    Throw the book at him, maximum fines. He is an attorney and he should not have cheated on taxi medallions and taxes

  344. Tina says:

    As an attorney, please make sure the fines, sentenced, and penalties are all maximiums.

    Remember, justice to Cohen, the Hillary plant.

    By the way, he was much fatter when pictured with Hillary.

  345. Robbie says:

    Had Trump not won the election he likely would have been indicted for the crime Cohen admitted to committing. But since the DOJ believes a president can’t be indicted, he wasn’t indicted.

    No wonder Jason fraud and the rest of the Trump droolers love Trump so much. Crimes are cool so long as Trump is the one who commits them.

    Neal Katyal
    @neal_katyal

    The real news right now is not about Cohen’s sentence. It is about the conclusion by federal prosecutors that Donald J. Trump has committed a serious felony.

  346. CG says:

    He’ll be indicted when he is no longer President, unless he works out a deal to prevent that.

  347. CG says:

    He’s going to have at least one or two people to pardon though before he tries to work out that deal.

  348. CG says:

    Rush Limbaugh has no idea what happened in the Bush 41 Admin anymore.

    He went on and on today, per transcripts, that Barr was AG under GWB, and that is why the left will oppose him because GWB was worse than GHWB in their minds. He was not. He was AG under GHWB.

    Yesterday, he talked about attending the 1992 Houston Republican Convention and how it was too politically correct and that Mary Fisher gave a big speech about being a lesbian.

    Mary Fisher spoke about being HIV positive but she is not a lesbian.

  349. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    3m
    Seems clear now Cohen never had anything, but tried to fake his way into a lighter sentence by making it appear he did.

    Now he pays the consequences.

    Exactly.

  350. Tina says:

    “Cohen did not need to commit the crimes that he did, yet he committed them for personal gain,” the memo read. “He was motivated in part by greed and the desire to live an opulent and lavish lifestyle. And for all of Cohen’s outward rectitude, he has lived a double life, which weighs heavily against a variance.”

    Lock him up.

  351. Tina says:

    Charles V Payne
    @cvpayne
    Whoa! The media hype was the personal attorney for President Trump was the final nail in the coffin of this fiasco. I just read the sentencing guidelines and the authorities are furious. Looks like Cohen tried to play them so they say “throw the book.”

    I wonder if porn lawyah would have helped Cohen more?

  352. CG says:

    This is the same Schweikert guy, who’s Tweets about a “Red Wave” got presented here over and over??

  353. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    Prosecutors in New York deal a blow to Michael Cohen, say he had not fully cooperated with their investigation. Recommend a “substantial” prison sentence of around 4 years. (link: https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/07/mueller-michael-cohen-sentencing/) dailycaller.com/2018/12/07/mue… @dailycaller

    Do the jebots still love Cohen?

  354. Tina says:

    uck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    6m
    From Mueller’s sentencing memo:
    -In Nov. 2015, a Russian national contacted Cohen seeking a meeting to attain “political synergy” between Trump campaign and Russian gov’t.
    -No indication that Cohen lied to Congress when he denied dossier allegations.

    Well that narrative touted by the jebots went out the window.

  355. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    24m
    Reporter asks James Comey: “Did you have total confidence in the dossier when you used it to secure a surveillance warrant and also in the subsequent renewals?”

    Comey doesn’t answer the question, calls the notion of FISA abuse “nonsense”

    Lock him up next..

  356. NYCmike says:

    “I think Trump is a Hall of Fame member in the “Blame America” club, but of course the question I raised was not remotely addressed.”

    -He SAID some things.

    His actions as President speak much louder than what he said years ago.

  357. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    ·
    58m
    BREAKING: In his just-filed memo recommending sentencing for Michael Cohen, Special Counsel Mueller finally acknowledges the president’s personal lawyer never actually made contact with Putin or even Putin’s press secretary in the defunct Moscow real estate project

  358. Tina says:

    Media
    Likes
    Donald J. Trump’s Tweets
    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    18m
    Totally clears the President. Thank you!
    15.6K
    4.5K
    17.1K

    He is referring to the Cohen memo,

    Jebots must be pissed.

  359. Tina says:

    In Manafort land, judge orders Fuhrer Mulehead to provide unredacted memo pertaining to the breach by Manafort in cooperation.

  360. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Cohen has no cooperation agreement per memo.

    Has not cooperated fully.

    No collusion.

    Jebots cherished.

  361. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    3h
    The House prohibition on the very kind of threat that
    @Ocasio2018
    just made to
    @DonaldTrumpJr
    couldn’t be clearer: lawmakers are “prohibited from threatening punitive action” against people/groups for not politically supporting the lawmaker. Ethics Committee should investigate.

    Will Paulo Ryan do anything about this?

  362. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    54m
    End of day, the Cohen sentencing memos tell us that Cohen was a really bad lawyer and a greedy guy who cut corners to advance himself.

  363. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump’s rant about Tillerson only reflects poorly on Trump and does not damage Tillerson at all.

    I am so relieved that the Radnor voting machines had a Vote Against Hillary Clinton button.

  364. Tina says:

    Tillerson’s rant against Trump reflects poorly on Tillerson, who was sidelined over the NK negotiations,

  365. NYCmike says:

    Tillerson should have kept his trap shut, as discussions with the head of the Executive Branch should be kept confidential, as there were NOT any laws broken, despite Trump WANTING to break some!! (that last part made me smile – OF COURSE Trump wants to break laws, isn’t that right “CG”).

    Trump should have stayed quiet, other than saying “Pompeo is now SecState, for good reason!”

  366. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    1h
    I say this not as a conservative partisan but as a former law enforcement guy; I see nothing in any of these memos that indicates even the hint of criminality on the part of POTUS.

    In fact, if you read them, the White House should be happy tonight.

    And Jebots saddened.

  367. Bitterlaw says:

    The free passes continue to be given out to Trump. If Tillerson is dumb and lazy, what does that say about Trump for hiring him?

    I won’t vote for any challenger in the primary and I will have to vote against the Democrat in 2020. Could he just STFU once in awhile to make it easier to do what is necessary?

  368. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump did nothing illegal. Trump’s rants are an embarrassment. I am happy every day that Hillary lost. All three can be true.

  369. Cash Cow TM says:

    December 07, 2018 at 3:45PM

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A Kanawha County teacher, a former Miss Kentucky, was arrested Friday and charged with sending nude photos to a teenager.

    Ramsey Carpenter Bearse was crowned Miss Kentucky in 2014.
    Ramsey BethAnn Bearse, 28, of Charleston, a science teacher at Andrew Jackson Middle School in Cross Lanes, was charged with four counts of sending obscene material to a minor.

    Deputies allege she sent nude photos to a 15-year-old former student. According to the criminal complaint, Bearse admitted to sending at least four photos to the boy earlier this year via Snapchat of her “nude breast/chest area.”….

  370. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw sees the sheep link, then he lets on he is into three-somes!

  371. Cash Cow TM says:

    Ramsey Carpenter Bearse was crowned Miss Kentucky in 2014.

    Walt said it looks like she has a nice set of breasticles.

  372. Cash Cow TM says:

    “-Do they have a Ca$h Cow version like this??”

    Well, I never…!

    I am offended!

  373. Bitterlaw says:

    Keep giving out the free passes, NYC. You found your niche.

  374. Wes says:

    Some North Dakota Republicans are considering legislation to end the party’s primary and have candidates selected at the state convention:

    https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/legislation-could-end-north-dakotas-open-june-primary-which-is-could-in-principle-but-could-be-bad-for-republicans-in-practice/

    That’s exactly what Republicans need to do. They absolutely MUST remove voters from the candidate selection process in favor of choosing potential officeholders at a convention dominated by party activists. 🙄

  375. Bitterlaw says:

    I like primaries. I hate when unelectable Deadender win them. Both can be true.

  376. Tina says:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/deep-state-muellers-bombshell-court-filings-turned-out-to-be-duds-someone-please-tell-liberal-media-and-especially-cnn/

    Fuhrer Mulehead’s bombshells in the court filings were duds.

    Say what you want, Crooked Cohen is a serial liar and tax cheater.

  377. Tina says:

    Media
    Likes
    John Cardillo’s Tweets
    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    8m
    You do realize that the reason there’s all this spin over the nothing burger #Cohen and #Manafort memos is because on Thursday night a federal judge ordered DOJ and State to reopen the Hillary e mail/private server investigation.

    The MSM is working overtime to bury that.

    Why we saw the return of the jebots.

  378. Bitterlaw says:

    Go Navy.
    Beat Army.*

    While both branches continue their hateful policy of discrimination against diabetics, my first choice was the navy.

    I probably will not watch much of the bowl games in the NFL subdivision (NCAA), I love this game. Real student athletes who will serve our nation when they graduate are worth watching.

  379. JeffP says:

    378…well said.

    It really is sickening to see the DOJ and FBI so corrupted…I am not naive to think it has not been that way at various other times in history. It just has never been so obvious. Also…to be in working along with the equally corrupted major media (has been left leaning for decades) to protect the radical left and advance their agenda will need to be stopped or our country is doomed for destruction from within. At lease some people in Europe are waking up to this cabal. The best part of Trumps rise to power and election is that it brought these evil snakes out of the grass for more people to wake up in our country.

  380. Tina says:

    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    ·
    2h
    Trump could not have asked for a better outcome than the one that came from the Mueller investigation yesterday.

    What a fisaco.

  381. Tina says:

    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    ·
    1h
    After years of media lies, we’ve gone from Trump Colluded with Russia to Steal the Presidency, to…

    Trump might’ve violated a vague campaign rule cuz he paid off a whoring blackmailers with his own money over sins committed 12 years ago.

    Kiss my ass media.

  382. Tina still mentally ill.

    Bitterlaw proven to be a disgusting amoral scumbag.

    Partisanship and willfull ignorance is a helluva drug.

  383. Phil says:

    Thank God we have the Democratic Party so full of bipartisan patriots.

    LMAO.

  384. Wes says:

    Bitter and Tina should consider it a badge of honor to receive criticism from the epitome of partisanship and sleaze on HHR.

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes- It is a great honor. I just need Proud Obamacon to rip me.

  386. Tina says:

    Wes, I believe that troll (or another one) called me an enemy of state.

    After 30 plus years of federal governmental service to my country,

    Imagine that,

  387. lisab says:

    You do realize that the reason there’s all this spin over the nothing burger #Cohen and #Manafort memos is because on Thursday night a federal judge ordered DOJ and State to reopen the Hillary e mail/private server investigation.
    ————————-

    i think a lot of dems LIKE that the hillary thing has been reopened.

    many do NOT want her as the 2020 candidate, or vp, and this is a stake to her heart

  388. janz says:

    It’s been a long time since I agreed with everything expressed in a Bitter post. However, #377 seems to be an outlier, finding myself supporting what Bitter said.

  389. lisab says:

    imagine if she agreed to be the dem vp

  390. lisab says:

    Trump Admin Officially Rolls Back Michelle Obama’s National Lunch Guidelines

  391. lisab says:

    seems like paris is mostly quiet, the place is full of cops with lots of tear gas and rubber bullets

    not many yellow vests right now

  392. lisab says:

    i live in minnesota

    baby it’s cold outside!

  393. lisab says:

    actual article in the telegraph
    ———————–

    Why men should give their wives a cheat pass this Christmas

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/men-should-give-wives-permission-infidelity-christmas/

  394. Tgca says:

    Thank God they rolled back Michelle’s awful lunch program. It should be replaced with a deliciously tasty and healthy TG lunch program.

    Organic Veggie burger made with black beans, black rice, quinoa, and spices served without bread or salty condiments…to keep the lil buggers flatulating all afternoon.

    A cup of cucumber and tomato salad tossed with fresh squeezed lime, herbs, dried cranberries, pieces of raw almonds, cashews, pistachios, walnuts, and sunflower seeds…for a well hydrated energy boosting afternoon.

    A cup of organic blueberries and strawberries for superior immunity building…no more frequent colds and runny noses.

    A glass of organic chocolate almond milk sweetened with organic grade B maple syrup…for our lactose intolerant Asian kiddies and to reduce mucus and sinus inflammation found in milk.

    A handful of Mary’s jalapeño crackers as a snack…to keep them regular.

    Yum-meee!

  395. Wes says:

    It’s official. Tgca wants kids to starve to death.

  396. Wes says:

    I have to admit reading Tgca’s menu almost makes me bulimic from feeling the need to retch when I see his meal posts.

  397. sandiegocitizen says:

    Tgca, you should be thankful your gay, because a diet like that excludes any possibility of reproduction.

  398. Tgca says:

    No one will starve with my menu choices. They will enjoy tasty, healthy portion-controlled meals that reduce inflammation and obesity and lethargy, increase immunity and energy so they can be more athletic and active and focused and engaged in their studies, develop better skin and hair looking more attractive which allows for more confidence and sex appeal to find partners with whom they can forge meaningful and supportive healthy relationships so they can go out in the world and be better, productive, informed citizens. All this starts with a tasty veggie burger!!!

  399. Tgca says:

    Oops! I forgot to add olives and avocados to the cucumber and tomato salad. I eat them daily as well. High in healthy fat for energy.

  400. Tgca says:

    SanDiego

    Oh GIRLFRIEND! Puh-leez!

    As for reproduction, my testosterone level is in the 1,000 range which is ideal for a manly man like me so I would have no problem breeding should I choose to make the world a better place with a bunch of lil TGs.

  401. sandiegocitizen says:

    Before bringing in a lot of little TGs into the world, wait until space travel is more advanced. So we can have an exit plan

  402. Tgca says:

    Sounds like SDC is a bit jealous. That could be a side-effect of low testosterone and performance issues. Hmmm

  403. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud to himself – “Individual 1’s willingness to screw a porn star and lick Putin’s butt is what makes him such a wonderful president. I will gladly vote for a man who directed and coordinated that a crime be committed.”

    David M. Drucker
    @DavidMDrucker

    From @dcexaminer’s Editorial Page: Want to avoid legal trouble? Start by not cheating on your wife and don’t cavort with murderous strongmen or their lobbyists

    https://t.co/PnwYHy07hQ

  404. sandiegocitizen says:

    416. Gee Robbie, straight people are so crude. Here Tgca and I were providing good PG rated banter. Then you arrived with vulgarity. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

  405. dblaikie says:

    Hello fellow posters.

  406. Tina says:

    Kyle Morris
    ?
    @RealKyleMorris
    Comey’s non-answers:
    – Said “I don’t remember” 71 times.
    – Said “I don’t know” 166 times.
    – Said “I don’t recall” 8 times.https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/08/politics/oversight-judiciary-goodlatte-comey-transcript-clinton-trump-russia/index.html

    1,358
    2:15 PM – Dec 8, 2018

    Comedy going the Her Thighness defense.

  407. Tina says:

    Julie Kelly
    @julie_kelly2
    Wow – Comey testified he never saw any documents when HIS AGENCY opened probe into Trump campaign in 2016 and doesn’t know who opened it. “I’ve never encountered a circumstance where an investigation into a political campaign was launched so I don’t know how that would be done.”

    Be a shame if the fib email strand has Mr. Comedy exchanging emails about knowing how the probe was opened.

  408. lisab says:

    1400 arrests in paris

  409. dblaikie says:

    Most folks think that Trump is going to have endure terrible times with the new Dem. Congress. But I have a different view. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but I believe that he didn’t release all the fisa warrant apps, the redacted stuff, and the e-mails from the FBI and DOJ as an insurance policy just in case a Dem. Congress begins to investigate, investigate, and investigate more.

    In addition, I don’t believe that folks realize the importance of the appointment of William Barr. He won’t shut Mueller down, but he will tell him that after almost two years to put up or shut up. And with his appointment I see a new Special Counsel being appointed on just all the stuff that Trump is going to release. Now I know that this is all just a theory, but I am going to go with it.

  410. Paul says:

    dblaikie
    Muh FISA release

  411. dblaikie says:

    Oh how I hope the Dem. will fall into the position of trying to impeach Trump over Campaign finance laws. Let’s take a good look at history, Obama’s Campaign was found guilty of over $2,000,000.00 of illegal campaign funds. The penalty you ask? The Campaign had to pay a penalty of around $400,000.00. Campaign finance laws are broken with regularity. My only question is will the Dems in Congress be stupid enough for this kind of overreach.

  412. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    ·
    28m
    So, after Comey had the greatest memory in human history writing his book, he could barely recall his own name under oath.

  413. Paul says:

    dblaikie: Why is substantial jail time recommended for Cohen? Is that overreach? It would appear that Trump is equally culpable as Cohen.

  414. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    Leakin’ James Comey must have set a record for who lied the most to Congress in one day. His Friday testimony was so untruthful! This whole deal is a Rigged Fraud headed up by dishonest people who would do anything so that I could not become President. They are now exposed!

  415. Tina says:

    Emmanuel Macron
    Emmanuel Macron
    @EmmanuelMacron
    ·
    Apr 20, 2017
    Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion
    @BarackObama
    .

    This tweet is not aging well.

  416. JeffP says:

    There are people that at all cost will take down Trump and it will divide this country terribly. You cannot have this level
    Of corruption and survive. The double standard is staggering Clinton vs Trump and the DOJ and FBI is being totally used as a political weapon in plain sight. This is not going to end well.

  417. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    49m
    Comey insisted to Gowdy that the FBI’s investigation was not into the Trump campaign. But then Gowdy suggested that the initiating documents (written by Strzok) indeed mentioned the “Trump campaign.” (link: https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/09/comey-russia-four-americans/) dailycaller.com/2018/12/09/com…
    @dailycaller

    Comedy commits perjury.

  418. dblaikie says:

    428 Cohen is being charged with far more than just breaking campaign laws, which like I say, are commonly broken. Here is a quick list from Business Insider:

    “In August, Cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts of tax fraud, bank fraud, and campaign finance violations in a case brought by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York. On November 29, he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress in relation to the Mueller investigation.”

    For all that they are recommending 3 years? Again, Obama’s Campaign had millions of dollars of illegal contributions and the punishment was a fine!! Once again, please Dems. impeach Trump for something that Obama was only fined for. That is the very definition of overreach.

  419. JeffP says:

    The new AG better have some balls and kick some a** to root out the corruption in the DOJ and FBI fast or we are screwed and voting will be pointless. Banana Republic.

  420. MichiganGuy says:

    RIP HHR. What will Bitterlaw do now?

  421. Bitterlaw says:

    MG – I am coaching 3 rec league basketball teams (7th grade girls, high school girls and high school boys). That should get me through mid-March.

  422. Wes says:

    This thread is deader than Trump’s ability to sound like anything but a condescending solipsist.

  423. Barrett says:

    A few things to cover here…

    #1 – Mueller’s Findings: I’m not typically one to defend Trump, but after Mueller’s announcements last week, I am extremely skeptical. Did the president do anything wrong? Probably, but no worse than any other president. Has Mueller been able to uncover the wrongdoing in 19 months of investigating? Not really, otherwise they would have impeached the president or taken some level of legal action. My thoughts are that this is going to turn into a big nothingburger.

    #2 – Substantial Prison Time for Cohen – For what? Using campaign funds to hush up Stormy? Give me a break. I don’t alyways trust Trump’s judgment, but he should definitely get a pass if he had to pardon Cohen. Worse crimes have been committed with lesser sentences.

    #3 – CNN and MSNBC – they’ve been going at this ad nauseum. Is there ANYTHING ELSE happening in the world other than the investigation into Trump?

    Look, I don’t like the guy, and I find it hard to defend his twitter comments and some other actions, but eventually Mueller has to sh*t or get off the pot on this one. This has turned into a circus, and it’s an embarrassment for our country.

  424. Victrc says:

    Barrett

    I couldn’t agree with your assessment more. He wasn’t my choice in the primary….by a long shot as his style is not one I would employ, and he was the lesser of two evils in the general, but this incessant to overturn the results of the election by any means possible is absurd.

    If this is all they have in him, the payment to a prostitute (because that’s what s porn star is) then every president before him should have been impeached. This investigation, which basically started the day after the election is creating even more of a divide in America and has to either present evidence or end. It’s more and more like an investigation looking for any malfeasance they can find, not an investigation into malfeasance.

  425. Tina says:

    The brain surgeons here need to explain why is it ok for the congresss to “pay” sexual harassment suits, but not ok for the President (candidate) to privately pay them.

    I think Cohen plead to two non crimes, in order to save himself (tax cheat).

    I hope the judge throws the full book at him for all actual crimes, namely being a tax cheat.

  426. Wes says:

    If Trump has the same charisma and communication skills as Bill Clinton, he would be able to turn this witch-hunt of an investigation against its proponents. Sadly his petty, thin-skinned response to literally all negatives hinders him from scuttling this idiocy in the public consciousness.

  427. Tina says:

    Supreme Court sides with Planned Parenthood in funding fight. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh sided with the court’s liberals in not taking up the case https://cnn.it/2Pxikyt

    1,688
    7:40 AM – Dec 10, 2018

    I went ahead with Kavanaugh because he was being rail roaded, but he would not have been my pick.

  428. Victrc says:

    Wes

    Just as Barrett above was correct, so are you. An adept politician could have turned this baseless circus into political capital.

  429. Bitterlaw says:

    To be fair, no SCOTUS pick would ever be good enough for Tina.

  430. Wes says:

    That’s been my criticism of Trump all along, Vic. He keeps getting in his own way with his smarmy, puerile public persona. That wasn’t much of a problem against Hillary, whom Americans perceived as more odious than he because of her condescending elitism and willingness to endanger national security. It’s significantly more of a problem when Americans expect their President to act like a grownup.

  431. Tina says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 10, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    To be fair, no SCOTUS pick would ever be good enough for Tina.

    Are you feeling ok, bl?

  432. lisab says:

    looks like hillary is being forced out of 2020

    her tours are NOT even close to being sold out and the tickets are about $20

    keep in mind that normally the unions would buy huge sections of seats and then make their members go … that is NOT happening

    they are not buying her books either.

    i think this is to get her to stay out of 2020

  433. lisab says:

    sanders has $5 million on hand for his campaign in 2020 if he wants it

  434. lisab says:

    to put that in perspective, chris christie raised $8 million for his who campaign

    so bernie can give a credible run through NH at least.

  435. Paul says:

    I’m glad Trump is picking up smocking. He’ll need a hobby to keep himself occupied.

  436. lisab says:

    i think his hobby is betting on the ncaa

    Sycacuse is his favourite team

  437. Victrc says:

    It’s funny when Democrats/liberals/Rockefeller Republicans think that Trump will ever be removed from office. Even if the Dems in the House commit political hari-kari (sic) and vote to impeach, there are not enough Flakes in the Senate to get a conviction.

    He’s not going anywhere. What he does with the next two years will dictate if there are more.

  438. lisab says:

    It’s funny when Democrats/liberals/Rockefeller Republicans think that Trump will ever be removed from office.
    ———————————–

    i doubt he can be removed before the 2020 election

    far MORE concerning is who will replace trump … if it is a dem, then i think ther will be a HUGE problem,

    nixon had to resign because some of his aides hired some low level thugs to spy on the dems

    it is probable that the dems used the FBI to spy on DJT! AND the FBI AND the DOJ covered up crimes by hillary

    they gave immunity to everyone associated with hillary.

    this is not good. and worse, when the dems get in after trump, it looks like they will take steps to make sure that nothing like what happened with trump ever happens again

    i think the midterms are just a precursor to future elections

    the vote totals on election night will be overturned by large numbers of ballots in the days after the election

    and it will all be supported and protected by the dem party, the FBI and the DOJ

  439. lisab says:

    just to be clear, i do NOT support throwing hillary in jail, that would set a bad precedent if the current president’s admin throws the other major candidate in prison — unless they had unimpeachable evidence like video

    but some of her underings should have gone to prison

  440. lisab says:

    macron is fk-ing up with his address …

    “i may have given you the impression i did not care, that was not my intention. we have delayed the gas tax for 3 months! we are a country of love and we need to work together to continue on our path together. therefore i am ordering every government employee to get a year end bonus without taxes, and i want all corporations to consider giving their employees a bonus too.

    we cannot go back, we will go further to eliminate injustice throughout the world. companies have been leaving because of high taxes, but they MUST pay higher taxes so we can continue the transformation of france. our country must assume a greater responsibility to distribute wealth to the world. we must work together to do this, so we can live in a country that is fair

    and we must ask questions about how we can live more simply and in a fair country…. we have to find solutions so we can continue with immigration …”

  441. lisab says:

    basically he is going hard left with no apologies

    they will be arresting a lot more protestors

    time to short the euro

  442. Victrc says:

    Lisa

    You bring up a lot of good points.

    1. It is time to give up the “lock her up” meme. Yeah, it plays with a small part of the base, but lets move on. ‘It turns off more people than it fires up, and to be honest, that ship has sailed. Let’s get the focus off her, and on to the accomplishments of the administration to date.

    2. As Wes and others have stated many times, the WH has to start sending a more positive message and image. If he actually did that the next two years I think he could be re=elected easier than most think

    3. What happened after Election Day is extremely scary. What was it? Nearly 10 races flip with ballots that came in weeks later, “cast” on Election Day with questionable same day registration and the very dangerous ballot harvesting. Ballot harvesting and ending it should be where Conservatives focus. We need to get that to the Supreme Court asap…as well as that second choice garbage in Maine.

    Wes

    Isn;t ballot harvesting one of the reasons why Dems are challenging Harris election in NC? If so, then why was it ok in California and not in NC?

  443. NYCmike says:

    Those are not his real words, are they?

    It reads like Atlas Shrugged…….

  444. NYCmike says:

    “If so, then why was it ok in California and not in NC?”

    -Only one party is supposed to win when that strategy affects the race.

  445. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I favor both Hillary and Trump being exiled to Bogo Pogo to happily live with Robbie.

    The real clown show coming up will be the Democratic convention in 2020. With all the factions, its not going to be easy for them to agree on a candidate. Would not be surprised if a third party candidate also ran in 2020 representing the factions that lost.

  446. Wes says:

    CA allows for ballot harvesting, Vic. NC doesn’t. That’s the difference.

    Personally I find the idea of ballot harvesting questionable at best and rife with potential fraud at worst.

    Unfortunately despite questions about it raised before the election, Congress never took action, thus leading to the boondoggle in multiple races after the election.

  447. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    459. “Those are not his real words, are they? It reads like Atlas Shrugged…”

    I had the same reaction. Did Macron really say that?? If so, he is not in reality.

  448. Tina says:

    Macaroni was lauded here, remember?

  449. Tina says:

    Drudge headline

    Kavanaugh joins liberals.

  450. lisab says:

    well … he was speaking french …

    but that is an approximate translation. you can find a word for word translation online by now i am sure.

    the basic points were

    + he does care about the french people’s anger over the gas tax and taxes, so the new taxes have been postponed and government employees will get a tax-free bonus

    + companies are leaving france over taxes, but they have to pay anyway

    + we must work together for a fairer country, and that means we need to pay taxes and simplify our lives

    + government, central and local need to be a big part of keeping rents down

    + we cannot go back, we need to continue immigration and fight for a just world, that is france’s role

    something along those lines

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Joel Kotkin is a voter in Mimi Walters district, and here are his comments on the election:

    “In my own Orange County district, Elizabeth Warren acolyte Katie Porter outspent, out-hustled and out-thought our listless Congresswoman Mimi Walters. Porter canvassers, young and enthusiastic, visited our house three times, but we never saw anyone from Walters’ campaign. Porter’s well-done ads, following the approved script of health care and opposition to Trump, appeared on popular websites and sports events, while Walters’ were virtually non-existent. In the end Walters’ addled handlers tried to win by waving the bloody shirt of potential tax returns and calling Porter a liberal; those old tactics failed miserably.”

    I saw the exact same thing in San Diego; the Republican Party was a no show. Its time to stop trying to make excuses, like blaming vote harvesting. When you don’t show up for the game, you lose by default.

  452. lisab says:

    there was A LOT about fairness and justice and “continuing on our path”

  453. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    466. Sounds like Macron’s speech was written by Al Gore.

  454. lisab says:

    Its time to stop trying to make excuses, like blaming vote harvesting.
    —————————–

    well, not showing up happens, that is just normal politics

    but overturning an election AFTER the election is VERY BAD

    it makes the usa a banana republic

    when regular people see that their votes don’t count because the winning candidate on election night gets thrown out by apparently “found” votes

    it looks like voting does not matter

  455. lisab says:

    Sounds like Macron’s speech was written by Al Gore.
    —————–

    he basically tried to do a bill clinton

    “i feel your pain, but i am going to continue doing what i want anyway, and i will try to make you think i care as i fly off to my luxury hotel for a european summit and fact finding meeting in tahiti”

  456. janz says:

    “Look, I don’t like the guy, and I find it hard to defend his twitter comments and some other actions, but eventually Mueller has to sh*t or get off the pot on this one. This has turned into a circus, and it’s an embarrassment for our country.”

    ….so true. If only…..

  457. Tina says:

    Jack Ralph
    @NevadaJack2
    Sen. Angus King warned that if impeachment is moved forward on the current evidence, “at least a third of the country would think it was just political revenge and a coup against the president.” (link: http://bit.ly/2zJRPAH) bit.ly/2zJRPAH

    Half at least, but go for it Drats.

  458. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    470. “but overturning an election AFTER the election is VERY BAD:

    California has always a large number of absentee ballots, a large amount of which are counted after the election. In the past, absentee ballots counted after election day have helped Republican candidates. For example in 2016, Congressman Daryl Issa was behind in the election day count, but took the lead and won when absentee ballots were counted.

    California Republicans were once proficient at running effective absentee ballot campaign. This year they did nothing. The fact the Democrats won the absentee ballot campaign is no surprise.

  459. janz says:

    Defeat And The Dossier Explain Everything is a wonderful woven together condensation of facts and timelines dealing with the Mueller fiasco.

  460. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When the French mobs build a guillotine on the Place de la Concorde, it might be time for Macron to reconsider his positions.

    It stunning he is arguing for policies that are being rejected by the new populist leaders being elected throughout the world. When you convert to the green Gaia religion, it is amazing how out of touch you become. Most world leaders are just giving it lip service, but Macron appears a true believer.

  461. Barrett says:

    #461 – SanDiego, I wouldn’t be surprised if we had the following hypothetical situation

    2020 Candidates
    Republican – Donald Trump (R)
    Democrat – Joe Biden (D)

    Disaffected Republican – John Kasich (I)
    Disaffected Democrat – Kamala Harris (I)

    So two democrats and two republicans.

  462. Paul says:

    lisab:

    Those were legitimate votes coming in. And, that’s the system that is set up for counting mail-ins and absentee.

    If you are saying they are not legitimate, you need to show proof and stop causing division by lying about it. If you don’t have the proof, then shut the f&ck up!!

  463. lisab says:

    “at least a third of the country would think it was just political revenge and a coup against the president.”
    ———————-

    and that is correct

    which is also why i do not support going after hillary without outrageous violations of the law on camera

    yes, if she murders someone, then fine, but if it about sending confidential material or campaign finance laws etc. then i think she has to walk

    but her underlings do not have to walk

  464. Paul says:

    In North Carolina, there was an organized effort of taking people’s ballots and destroying them instead of turning them in.

    That’s very different from the legal process in California.

  465. lisab says:

    Those were legitimate votes coming in.
    ————————————–

    so you say … if they went the other way you would be in the street

    it makes the country look like a banana republic when you find boxes of votes that miraculously all are for the dem candidate AFTER the election

    and coincidentally, just enough to overthrow the election

  466. lisab says:

    the rule used to be

    and should continue to be:

    there CANNOT be even the suggestion of impropriety when it comes to elections.

    when the polls close, they need to stay closed

  467. Paul says:

    To repeat: Republicans or Democrats collecting ballots and turning them in would be fine in North Carolina. For either party to collect them and fail to turn them in, that is not alright.

  468. Paul says:

    lisab: Where were polls open AFTER the polls were closed. I had not heard of any example like that.

  469. lisab says:

    In North Carolina, there was an organized effort of taking people’s ballots and destroying them instead of turning them in.

    That’s very different from the legal process in California.
    ————————–

    proving my point of how you believe the OTHER side cheats

    9pm on election day all ballots should be in, end of story, no provisional ballots no exceptions,

    end of story

    (and that goes for both sides. if you are too stupid to vote on time then tough.)

  470. lisab says:

    Where were polls open AFTER the polls were closed. I had not heard of any example like that.
    ———————-

    sorry paul, the dems have ZERO credibility on this

    and it is your own party’s fault

  471. Paul says:

    lisab: I would be fine with it going either way. That is the process of these close elections.

    And it in no way makes us look like a Banana republic unless you have no clue how democracy works.

  472. lisab says:

    To repeat: Republicans or Democrats collecting ballots and turning them in would be fine in North Carolina.
    ————————

    no …

    paul: oh look, someone voted for the gop … that goes in the trash.

    if you cannot be bothered to vote, you should lose

    it makes your party look completely corrupt when you stuff the ballot box

  473. Paul says:

    lisab is going to run away now and not answer my questions. Because she has none.

  474. Paul says:

    488: What you are describing is what the Republicans did in North Carolina.

  475. lisab says:

    lisab: I would be fine with it going either way.
    ——————-

    election night: well it looks like the gop won 10 seats in california

    the day after the election, in a state controlled by the democrats: a total sweep by the dems
    ——————

    as stalin said, it only matters who counts the votes
    the only thing that matters is who counts the votes

  476. lisab says:

    What you are describing is what the Republicans did in North Carolina.
    ———————————–

    sorry paul, as a dem you have NEGATIVE credibility

    you support ballot box stuffing as long as it goes your way

  477. Paul says:

    lisab:
    You are talking nonsense.

    AND are you going to answer my question:
    What poll opened back up after the polls were closed?

  478. Paul says:

    lisab:
    You have zero credibility on this issue.

  479. lisab says:

    sorry paul,

    you support a system that allows ballot box stuffing

    that is the marxist playbook

    you and your party have no credibility.

  480. Paul says:

    And again lisab is going to run away with her tail between her legs and not answer my question… LOL

  481. Cash Cow TM says:

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    The US leads the pack with most millionaires. America accounts for 41% of the world’s total- the most out of any country on the planet. And $403,974 is the average wealth per adult in the United States, while the average per adult is $61,667.”

  482. lisab says:

    you say i have no credibility because i don’t support the dems stealing elections

    it is sad how corrupt the dem party has become

  483. Paul says:

    Stuffing them with legitimate votes is the American playbook.

  484. Paul says:

    lisab is still a coward and won’t answer questions. She’s got nothing.

  485. Paul says:

    lisab:
    Seriously my problem is that what you are inferring erodes our democracy. I trust SanDiegoCitizen as someone from California who understand the system way more than an agitator like you.

  486. lisab says:

    Stuffing them with legitimate votes is the American playbook.
    —————-

    yeah … “legitimate” votes filled out after the polls closed by dem operatives

  487. lisab says:

    Seriously my problem is that what you are inferring erodes our democracy.
    —————————————-

    what you are supporting erodes are democracy

    ANY system where votes magically show up after the polls close …

    and you can pass any ballot havesting laws you want to dress it up as legal

    makes us a banana republic.

    (and the same goes with votes in red states. elections need to be one CITIZEN, one vote — with the ballot ONLY touched and submitted by that citizen. anything less is just corruption and undermines the election process)

  488. lisab says:

    but … but … we have hawaiian judges that say these votes we found count …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9angh4KdQ

  489. lisab says:

    it shows how despicable dems have become

    when dems argue that having one citizen show their id and vote ONCE before the polls close

    is unfair to them

  490. lisab says:

    and as i said above

    the REALLY bad part is that

    it looks like we will not have a one citizen, one vote election again in our lifetime

    the dems are going to make sure that 2016 will never happen again,

    they will dress it up with legalisms and hawaiian judges, but as cg puts it …

    they need to “educate” the non-hillary voters

  491. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In California, about 65-69% of the voters are now using absentee ballots. The vast majority are sent in within three days of the election. Each absentee ballot is reviewed to make sure the signature on the outside matches with what is in the computer at the register of voters. Observers from both parties are present to watch the process.

    The only time a voter is allowed to vote after election day is if their absentee ballot does not contain a signature, or the signature is illegible. Then they are contacted and have something like eight days to come in person to the registrar of voters and properly sign the ballot.

    Only after the signature is verified, are ballots opened and the paper ballot taken out and included in the count. All voting in California is by paper ballot; the state does not use computer voting. The process is time consuming, but believe it has a lot of safeguards. By contrast, I do not trust computer voting.

  492. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Will add you can mail in your ballot on election day in California, as long as it is date stamped by the post office with that date.

  493. CG says:

    The comparison between California, which is simply an overwhelmingly Democrat state at this point, where Democrats are going to win most elections, and the one county North Carolina where fraud is alleged is basically none.

    It sure looks like people associated with the Harris campaign cheated to narrowly win the primary and cheated to supposedly narrowly win the general election, and then they got caught. Harris will never be seated, and will probably not be the candidate in the new election. More likely than not, it will be another seat lost to the Democrats.

  494. Tina says:

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    Pardon Gen. Flynn and make him Chief of Staff.

    I’d be all in for that.

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    Pardon him for sure.

  495. Paul says:

    Thank you, SanDiegoCitizen.

    I’m sure there is fraud happening by Democrats somewhere. However, no need to label the normal process as fraud.

  496. Tina says:

    Dr. Jerome Corsi sues Fuhrer Mulehead for $350 million.

    Hopefully, he prevails and takes coin from Rhee (Clinton Foundation attorney) and Weissman.

    Bankrupt all of them.

  497. lisab says:

    The comparison between California, which is simply an overwhelmingly Democrat state …

    —————————

    all the more reason the elections should not be allowed to have even the slightest taint of fraud.

    as an example, back when i worked in massachusetts. when the poll machines were opened they were treated quite openly … all parties were allowed to have observers in the room as the votes were counted.

    although the state has been overwhelmingly dem for decades

    there was never even the slightest insinuation of fraud. no hint of vote tampering was allowed.

    this existed from probably the late 1960’s to 2000

    the way both sides can now point and say, “see they are cheating”, because the system we have now allows apparent fraud

    undermines the WHOLE democratic process.

    back in the day what could the republicans say in massachusetts?

    “you let us watch while you counted the votes and the votes were all counted 10 minutes after the polls closed and no votes were able to leave the building or come into the building while the votes were counted”

    now its, “trust us … we control the state, we will count the votes and tell you its perfectly leagal. we are not like the other side”

    (either red or blue state makes no difference)

  498. CG says:

    What you are saying has absolutely no semblance of relevance to the matter. I will chalk it up to you being bored.

    I am certain that California also allows bi-partisan witnesses to the opening and counting of these ballots.

    The other point is that Americans, as a society, (for better or worse) have decided that comfort and convenience must always be paramount and thus the concept of anybody having to go out of their way to actually vote is repugnant to many. I see that as a problem myself, but that is reality, and thus we are not going to vote the ways we did 40 years ago or even 20 years ago. Absentee, mail-in, and eventually internet voting will grow, and that is of course one reason why it is so important to root out and punish any interference in our elections, especially by hostile foreign governments. A Presidential candidate trying to enrich themselves by cutting business deals with such a government should be considered beyond unacceptable.

    The bottom line is that both parties will understand the science behind how people vote and it will be up to them to have the candidates and messages capable of receiving enough votes to win. Complaining about the system is not going to ultimately accomplish or change anything.

  499. lisab says:

    and the worst part is …

    the same sleazy shenanigans which the dems support in the mid-terms

    are the same sleazy shenanigans that they are outraged about, outraged i tell you, when they don’t get their way

    2020 will be a disaster.

    the dems don’t accept trump as president now … and they certainly won’t in 2020 if trump wins (probably because the dems choose a far far far left candidate)

    and … they will act all self-righteous if the dem wins and the republicans don’t accept the dem president

    and will proceed to attack anyone they see as not supporting their candidate…

    and it won’t matter if the person accused virtued- signaled that they actually did not like trump’s style or tweets

    they will be targeted just the same

  500. lisab says:

    The other point is that Americans, as a society, (for better or worse) have decided that comfort and convenience must always be paramount and thus the concept of anybody having to go out of their way to actually vote is repugnant to many.
    ——————————————

    uh huh …

    so long as the dems win

    it will be very different if the elections go the other way

  501. CG says:

    I don’t think lisa believes any of this, including perhaps her promises of massive rioting among racial minorities if Obama lost. She just strikes me as someone who is bored and wants to “agitate” online anonymously.

  502. CG says:

    Basically, post # 516 is as dumb as those on the left who insist that if Trump loses, he will refuse to leave office or that he will try to turn the military on those trying to enforce the law.

  503. lisab says:

    cg now claims to be a mind reader …

    no, i am have always stated on hhr that i am a lockean.

    having elections that are 100% corruption free — with a system that is unimpeachable and OBVIOUSLY fair and straightforward, where you do NOT have people pointing at various outcomes after the fact and saying, “see they cheated”, because there is no room for cheating with everything completely and OBVIOUSLY above board

    so that the citizens believe the outcomes were fair and will accept them without violence

    is a basic tenet of lockean philosophy

    the whole reason i think there would have been riots had obama lost is easily seen in what happened in ferguson.

    when a large number of citizens believe they are being oppressed by the government, you have riots. whether it is blacks protesting the police or yellow vests protesting taxes, the only way to avoid violence is if the citizens believe in the system

  504. lisab says:

    Basically, post # 516 is as dumb as those on the left who insist that if Trump loses,
    ————–

    uh huh

    you’re the idiot who has spent the last two years “educating us”

    about your president

    and he is your president whether you like it or not

  505. CG says:

    There’s no evidence that Democrats “cheated” in California. There is evidence of sore-loserism among people in different states on the internet who do not want to acknowledge the facts.

    The same would be set if the roles were reversed, as Republicans dominate in other parts of the country and have the infrastructure to legally use the system to their advantage.

    Had Obama lost, many people would have been upset, but there would not have been widespread racial violence as you promised. You talked about how white people would be targeted on the streets and compared minorities to wild animals. I can’t help but think that is racist. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t actually believe these things but just like saying things provocatively to get attention.

  506. Tina says:

    Rudy Giuliani
    ?
    @RudyGiuliani
    The President is not implicated in campaign finance violations because based on Edwards case and others the payments are not campaign contributions. No responsible prosecutor would premise a criminal case on a questionable interpretation of the law.

    20.1K
    10:20 AM – Dec 8, 2018 · Manhattan, NY

  507. lisab says:

    that is the whole point about locke’s treatise on government

    you have an obviously fair election that people believe was handled fairly

    and, if you are on the losing side you get another chance in two or four or six years

    (interesting trivia: locke’s views may have been developed because he might have actually seen charles I beheaded)

  508. Tina says:

    Eventually This Had To Happen: France Investigates Russia Over Yellow Vest Riots
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-10/eventually-had-happen-france-investigates-russia-over-yellow-vest-riots

    More muh Russian, French Globalist version,

  509. lisab says:

    There’s no evidence that Democrats “cheated” in California.
    ———————–

    and the dem troll sees no evidence … must be true then 🙂

  510. CG says:

    I know people here do not want to acknowledge it, but Trump is in massive legal trouble, even if it is determined that he cannot technically be indicted as President.

    He will either face charges one day when he is no longer President or will cut a deal to avoid charges which may involve him agreeing to no longer be President.

    We are in for tons of constitutional drama. Yes, public opinion will matter in regards to how politicians in both parties react and wish to proceed.

  511. CG says:

    No serious person here, even those who may dislike me, thinks I am a “Dem troll.”

    So, where is the evidence of any sort of fraud in California?

  512. Tina says:

    Yes, we forget, you know that “he did things.”

    I guess collusion is out the window,

  513. Messy says:

    512. Corsi is a fantasist and a liar. He’s going to lose and go to jail.

    BREAKING: Marina Butina, the Russian darling of the NRA, is going to plead guilty to spying.

    Another Witch down.

  514. lisab says:

    that is the point corey

    when you who are such a partisan come out to support california, not only does it hold no weight, it makes everyone check their wallets

    elections NEED to be held in a way where the republican partisans are saying:

    “yup … the california elections were totally fair”

    and the dem partisans say:

    “yup, north carolina clearly followed the rules, no election stealing there”

    when things are not run this way,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9angh4KdQ

    (now if you said, “yup trump won wisconsin” i might believe you … but you just have no credibility on blue state elections where the dem wins)

  515. lisab says:

    thinks I am a “Dem troll.”
    ————————-

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ….

  516. CG says:

    I don’t see the California Republican leadership or the defeated candidates in California claiming fraud. They know that the reality on the ground was. They know what their internal polling said.

    Even on again/off again Trumpist SDC is saying you are way off base on this.

  517. lisab says:

    as the saying is corey

    the more you speak of your honor

    the faster i count my spoons

  518. Tina says:

    I am not a Democrat Troll

    -Jebot

  519. NYCmike says:

    I am more inclined to go with SDC on the California vote shenanigans – this type of voting should be gotten rid of, but at this point, it is legal, and both sides have played the game in the past.

  520. NYCmike says:

    “A Presidential candidate trying to enrich themselves by cutting business deals with such a government should be considered beyond unacceptable.”

    -“CG” threw this one in there……

  521. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/kavanaugh-support-for-planned-parenthood-may-doom-hopes-of-roe-v-wade-repeal/

    -Do the Justices who refuse to take up the case have to give their reasons?

  522. lisab says:

    the California vote shenanigans – this type of voting should be gotten rid of, but at this point, it is legal, and both sides have played the game in the past.
    —————————–

    NYCmike,

    you are actually agreeing with my point …

    a) yes it should be gotten rid of

    b) yes, it can be “legal” because in california the dems decide what is legal

    it is the people who count the votes that is important

    now if that had happened in a red state, controlled by republicans, and the dems managed to flip a bunch of seats because the gop screwed up

    that is fine. the gop cannot complain that they control the state and the dems stole an election … because in a red state they have the ability to see if everything is done legally.

    that is why in florida it is difficult for the gop to complain about broward county … the gop could have ensured that everything is on the up and up

    and the same is true when trump flipped michigan, pa, and wisconsin … the dems screwed up … well at least in pa, wisconsin and michigan are split states so both parties have a lot of power

    but in pa the dems have no right to complain at all

  523. lisab says:

    if the dems win in 2020

    i could see them passing legislation that will favour giving money to california to bail out their social experiment

    i.e. go full france

    never go full france

  524. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey is not a Dem troll. He is a Republican who hates Trump. Those are not the same thing.

  525. lisab says:

    sure

    and islam is the religion of peace

  526. lisab says:

    and elizabeth warren is an american indian

  527. Cash Cow TM says:

    Let’s have a nationwide ban on Bacon to keep the peas.

  528. Bitterlaw says:

    So Corey was a Dem troll when was at HHR defending GWB in 2004, McCain in 2008, and Romney in 2012? That is a long undercover operation. I love this place.

    Of course, Corey does not acknowledge that I exist but I will defend him against the Dem troll accusation.

  529. lisab says:

    So Corey was a Dem troll when was at HHR defending GWB in 2004,
    —————————-

    he really did not, actually comments were mostly off in 2004

    and corey did not comment much in 2008 during the election

    that is all in your head

  530. michael corleone says:

    I can’t believe some here are actually arguing that ballot harvesting isn’t to blame in CA because it is legal. Ridiculous – it is voter intimidation straight up. Similar to a poll tax – no poll tax became less intimidating simply because it was once legal. If the stupid 9th Circuit thinks voting ID is intimidation (it’s not) I don’t see how a stranger at your door demanding your ballot is not intimidation – especially if you are a GOP leaning minority surrounded by Dems. Ballot harvesting also jeopardizes a secret ballot (as does vote by mail generally). The GOP needs to bring a VRA challenge against this form of legalized voter intimidation immediately.

  531. GF says:

    549- BINGO! I am surprised that no one else here mentioned this critical facet. Although harvesting potentially opens up the voting process to fraud (it does not necessarily have to happen, but the risk of it is not worth cajoling uninterested voters into voting; that does not help democracy whatsoever), the real problem is that some states are allowing partisan activity to be directly involved in the voting process itself. Every jurisdiction has laws to prevent partisan activity within a set distance of a polling place, yet we think it is just dandy to allow partisan hacks to arrive at the threshold of private residences and harangue the occupants therein into voting? Are we really so dim-witted or just stupidly idealistic not to think that those folks being harassed will not simply cast a quick party-line vote just to get rid of the people invading their homes? Surely, we know better than that! Democracy is not at all enhanced by forcing people who otherwise do not care to participate. I expect such drivel from secular-progressives Leftists who claim they mean well, but we all know that with the modern Left, it is never about good intentions, it is about power and control. Trust them with an inch, and they will take your whole lot and then send you off to the reeducation camps for proper indoctrination (call it PC or whatever you want, but the SJW’s are no better than gulag operatives, they just aren’t armed yet).

    If people really believe that this bullsh*t is a good thing, then I wasted the best decades of my life defending this country.

  532. JeffP says:

    My vents of the day…

    Trump should make a prime time address on the border issue…however his affinity for twitter, self importance and lack of political aptitude will keep him from it.

    Even the most ardent Trump hater should be shaken with fear by the political use of the DOJ & FBI & MSM to oust him. This is dividing our country and it will only get worse in my lifetime. Trump sure brought all the corruption out into the open.

    Okay I feel better now.

  533. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    ….People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

    24.5K
    4:42 AM – Dec 11, 2018

    And drats try stopping him.

    Actually, he should have done this on day 1.

    I know Paulo Ryan, the open borders wing of the gop, and the drats would have continued to go bezerk, but who cares.

  534. Tina says:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/420523-cohens-pleas-concocted-by-prosecutors-to-snare-trump

    Excellent article by Mark Penn, who summarizes the bs charges that Crooked Cohen admitted.

  535. Tina says:

    From the article:

    Perhaps the biggest difference between oppo research and paying for nondisclosure of an affair is that one is definitely a campaign expense and the other is a personal expense not covered by election law. When prosecutors brought a similar case against former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.), they failed to get a conviction and it came out that FEC auditors had determined that the payments from donors to his mistress were not a campaign expense at all.

  536. Tina says:

    And what about the 268 settlements reached on behalf of congressmen and paid for by taxpayers? Are all confidential settlements done in election years now illegal campaign contributions, so that we need to lock up scores of congressmen on felony counts? No doubt keeping them secret was critical to their elections — and those settlements, unlike Trump’s alleged behavior, sometimes included illegal elements.

    We need to know their names,

    This is an illegal activity now.

  537. JeffP says:

    Tina…I sure do agree with you a lot…great posts. I am trying to fight off discouragement…which I know those NWO fascist dems want me to give in to their crap.

  538. Paul says:

    NWO fascist dems unite!!

  539. Barrett says:

    #552 – Couldn’t agree more! The border wall should have been a priority on day one.

    I understand there are geographic barriers, and some places need physical barriers. But I would definitely be open to motion sensors as well.

  540. Paul says:

    A lot of places the border wall ends up over a mile away from the Rio Grande. We are effectively ceding huge amount of land. I’d think technology would be a much better way to go than a big barrier.

  541. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just as a bit of background, California has allowed any voter to use a mail-in absentee ballot since 1980. Initially the practice favored Republicans, who were very effective in their campaigns to encourage people to vote by absentee ballots. Republicans were urged to vote early, and the early absentee votes which are counted on election night still tend to be Republicans.

    This election may have been one of the first times the Democrats organized an effective absentee ballot campaign, and now after 40 years a lot of Republicans have suddenly found that absentee ballot voting is iniquitous.

    California will now be issuing absentee ballots with postage paid envelopes, which likely will negatively impact any sort of ballot harvesting.

    One reason your not hearing outrage over the absentee ballots in California everyone is used to it. I have been an absentee voter for well over a decade, and have a hard time remembering when I voted at a polling place.

  542. lisab says:

    the govt will be shut down

    the dems have no choice

    about the only thing that will stop is pelosi will have to fly commercial back to ca

  543. Waingro says:

    Not sure how Trump and Republicans win politically — at least in short term — with Trump literally saying HE will shut down the government over border security.

  544. Waingro says:

    #561, I would love to think the Dems will take the blame for this, but we all no that’s not going to happen.

    I was all in on Cruz’s Obamacare 2013 shutdown, and we saw (in short term) how well that did politically. And Obamacare was VERY unpopular at that time — at least at same level, sadly, as “open borders” is to the American public.

    Just stating the reality.

  545. lisab says:

    The Princess Bride is unrepentantly sexist
    By David A. Arnott

    the movie fails in one important respect which, once I noticed, ruined much of it for me: The Princess Bride is unrepentantly sexist. Lest you think its sexism is merely one of the aforementioned twists on timeworn fairytale tropes, it isn’t. Rather, the movie makes clear that women’s value lies in how much men, specifically, value their beauty and loyalty, not their character. Worse, it makes clear that when a woman acts affirmatively on her own behalf, she will be punished. Harshly.

    Buttercup, the only significant female character, has no practical agency. She exists to be desired, to be protected, and either told what to do or forced along; in every one of her scenes, she is subordinate to men in every way. For example, in the Fire Swamp alone:

    1 — Her dress catches fire, and Westley extinguishes the flames….

    http://creamymiddles.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-princess-bride-is-unrepentantly.html

  546. Waingro says:

    #563, * “we all know”.

  547. lisab says:

    I would love to think the Dems will take the blame for this, but we all no that’s not going to happen.
    —————————————

    i don’t think the dems will take the blame for the shutdown

    i am just saying that it will probably happen

  548. lisab says:

    9-year-old kills self after racist taunts from class: family

    A black 9-year-old girl in Alabama allegedly took her own life after facing relentless bullying and racism in class, according to reports.

    McKenzie Adams’ relatives said she hanged herself Dec. 3 in her home in Linden, about 100 miles west of Montgomery, and was discovered by her grandmother, according to the Tuscaloosa News.

    Since the start of the school year, the fourth-grader had been the target of bullying at US Jones Elementary School, where she was teased over her friendship with a white male classmate, according to her family.

    Her aunt, Eddwina Harris, said the group of students taunted McKenzie by telling her to commit suicide.

    “She was being bullied the entire school year, with words such as ‘kill yourself,’ ‘you think you’re white because you ride with that white boy,’ ‘you ugly,’ ‘black bitch,’ ‘just die,’” Harris told the newspaper.

  549. Waingro says:

    I personally think that a better political tactic at this point — if Trump and GOP REALLY want to draw a line in the sand on the wall and border security — is just ram through a bill and nuke the filibuster.

    Now is the time. The Dems will be doing it once they regain full power. We all know this. Enough with the games, Cocaine Mitch.

  550. lisab says:

    The other day. I waited on a customer. After the transition was complete. I made the mistake of WISHING her a “Merry Christmas” She was outraged that i assumed she was a Christian. I apologized. And, told her to make sure she button up. Because baby it’s cold outside! – Peggy A Hubbard

  551. NYCmike says:

    Timing for shutting down government – there is no election for 2 years. there is no better time.

  552. NYCmike says:

    “I personally think that a better political tactic at this point — if Trump and GOP REALLY want to draw a line in the sand on the wall and border security — is just ram through a bill and nuke the filibuster.”

    -The issue would be the Republicans who do not believe in border security (especially when they are NOT campaigning).

  553. lisab says:

    is just ram through a bill and nuke the filibuster.
    ——————————

    ryan would not do this.

    i would guestimate at least 20%, and maybe as much of half the gop congress and senate do not want to curtail illegal immigration

    publicly they have to say so, but the people who pay them money for their campaigns want cheap labor …

    when i paid for landscaping service for my house in massachusetts, i hired an american. however, the work was done by 10 people who looked like they were in the caravan … and they did a great job.

    too many people benefit by working under the table

  554. Tina says:

    Yes, no election imminent, but Ryano and stealth Turtle will go wobbly.,

    We need the wall urgently,

    The military can still build it,

    Trump says it’s way under budget. I believe if a contractor is not involved or minimally so, it’s cheaper and more effiecient for Army Corps to build it,

  555. Tina says:

    The GOP-e will not support the president on this.

    They do not care about the border, just the buck given to them by the COC.

  556. Tina says:

    Btw, I think muh China blinked,

    They lowered auto tariffson our cars from 40 to 15 percent.

  557. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    James Comey just totally exposed his partisan stance by urging his fellow Democrats to take back the White House in 2020. In other words, he is and has been a Democrat. Comey had no right heading the FBI at any time, but especially after his mind exploded!

    19.6K
    10:50 AM – Dec 11, 2018

  558. Tina says:

    Saagar Enjeti
    ?
    @esaagar
    Trump when Nancy Pelosi protests the presence of camera’s in the Oval Office: “Its called transparency Nancy”

    2,517
    9:18 AM – Dec 11, 2018

    Trump handled Chuck and Piglosi well,

    They will get a fight, and will not get a “bush” rollover.

  559. Tina says:

    MUST WATCH: “I will take the mantle… I will be the one to shut it down. And I’m gonna shut it down for border security!” https://www.hannity.com/media-room/fireworks-trump-unloads-on-pelosi-schumer-over-border-wall-in-fiery-exchange/

    6,043
    10:26 AM – Dec 11, 2018

    Way to go, Me. president.

  560. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    Trump: “I am proud to shut down the government for border security … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it”

    Lol….

  561. Waingro says:

    “Timing for shutting down government – there is no election for 2 years. there is no better time.”

    True, but if Trump thinks he’s going to get the Dems to blink and offer $$$ for the wall, I highly doubt it. They will fold their arms and reap the (short term) political benefits of the shut down blame game.

    If there was something painful for them in this to ring around their necks like DACA, then Trump would hold better cards. Unfortunately, DACA is SLOWLY making it’s way through the courts after a couple radical district court judges said Trump can’t get rid of it via his own executive action.

    I also agree that the “GOPe” and many other RINO’s that stuck around don’t really want to fight over this issue. Having said that, the congressional Republicans have become more MAGA since the midterms, as most of the people ousted were in slight red/purplish/RINOish districts.

  562. lisab says:

    Btw, I think muh China blinked,
    ————————-

    they have huge problems, of course they blinked

    they have about 20 million people entering the workforce per year and roughly 15 million people exiting it

    they need to create 5 million+ jobs a year just to break even

  563. Tina says:

    Looks like graham is on board with the shutdown.

    Have to worry though about flakey, the Maine chicklet, planned parenthood, and Sassehole.

  564. lisab says:

    graham has gone full terminator

  565. Tina says:

    Mark Knoller
    @markknoller
    Schumer says the meeting with Trump “was supposed to be no press,” but he called in the press “and went on a 10-15 minute diatribe.” Says he and Pelosi went to the WH to give Trump two options to keep the Government

    You can just tell how Schumah and Piglosi got their arses kicked. Crying, “no media.”

  566. Waingro says:

    “As President Trump continues to threaten to potentially shut down the government over his border wall, Americans would prefer to see him compromise to prevent gridlock, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll.

    By a 21-point margin — 57 percent to 36 percent — Americans think the president should compromise on the wall to avoid a government shutdown, rather than stand firm. About two-thirds of Republicans say the opposite, and the president has been focused on maintaining his base.”

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11/675334306/poll-americans-want-trump-to-compromise-on-border-wall-amid-possible-shutdown

  567. lisab says:

    an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll.

    wow … the dems are losing the issue badly considering an npr poll is only up by 21

  568. lisab says:

    beto tops straw poll over biden for 2020

    Here are the top 10 finishers in the MoveOn straw poll:

    Someone else/DK/other: 28.8 percent

    Beto O’Rourke: 15.6 percent

    Joe Biden: 14.9 percent

    Bernie Sanders: 13.1 percent

    Kamala Harris: 10 percent

    Elizabeth Warren: 6.4 percent

    Sherrod Brown: 2.9 percent

    Amy Klobuchar: 2.8 percent

    Michael Bloomberg: 2.7 percent

    Cory Booker: 2.6 percent

  569. Waingro says:

    “wow … the dems are losing the issue badly considering an npr poll is only up by 21”

    Funny.

  570. lisab says:

    npr poll taken from among harvard faculty’s gender studies program

    so are you against the wall or a fascist?

  571. lisab says:

    cnn flashback

    April 19, 2011 7:19 a.m. EDT
    Zsa Zsa Gabor to become new mother at 94, husband says

    Los Angeles (CNN) — Zsa Zsa Gabor’s husband wants his 94-year-old wife to become a mother again using an egg donor, artificial insemination and a surrogate mother, Prince Frederic von Anhalt told CNN Thursday.

    “I’ve gone through the initial steps of donor matching and blood work and next week the donation process will begin,” von Anhalt said.

  572. lisab says:

    See Photos of Charlize Theron as Megyn Kelly in Roger Ailes Movie …

  573. NYCmike says:

    It will be interesting to hear the #NeverTrumpers on that White House exchange!

  574. Tina says:

    TheLastRefuge
    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    3m
    Gee, the primary SSCI “spygate” players are all vouching for Wolfe. Go figure !!

    More than likely this is the trio Wolfe has dirt on that leads to this ridiculous DOJ reversal of investigative fact.

    (link: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5513889-12-11-18-Wolfe-Sentencing-Memo-1.html) documentcloud.org/documents/5513…

    Most corrupt committee in the Senste and Burr signs a letter in support of leaker Wolfe.

  575. Tina says:

    Likes
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’’s Tweets
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    ·
    5m
    Trump made a profit on a porn star. Art of the Deal indeed.

    Stormy Daniels Ordered to Pay Trump $293,000 in Legal Fees

    This will trigger the jebots.

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