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Castro Forms Exploratory Committee for 2020

There have already been a few lower-tier Democrats who have said they are running for President, but I would say this might be the first of what the media would consider major candidates to at least formally announce he is forming an exploratory committee.

Seems early, but with the number of candidates likely announcing after New Year’s Day, might as well get your name out there in th empty space instead of it getting mixed up with other candidate’s announcing at the same time.

Posted by Dave at 10:51 am
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228 Responses to “Castro Forms Exploratory Committee for 2020”

  1. MichiganGuy says:

    First!

  2. Big Joe says:

    El Segundo

  3. Big Joe says:

    Nice video, content very similar to Marco Rubio ’16.

    Big Joe

  4. Victrc says:

    Oh please. I’ve personally suffered from Castro’s follows. Our propriety taxes DOUBLED in just three years to levels that would make westchester county residents shudder. All yo pay for his programs that are only available to illegals and immigrants.

    He’s purely an identity politics play and has no appeal outside those who want a Latino elected. He’s a far left tax and spend liberal with fanatical “la raza “ ties (his mother is one of the founders of the Atzlan movement which advicates the recon quest of the West ((which is a whole other discussion since the “west” never had native Mexicans in it before the Spanish colonized it and it was part of “Mexico” for barely 100 years and sparsely populated)).

    He would be easily dispatched in a general but I doubt he makes it out of the “B” round debates.

  5. Victrc says:

    “Follows” should be “follies”. Sorry. Traveling and writing on a phone!!

  6. Robbie says:

    It will be interesting to see how Individual 1, the FoxNews sycophant hosts, and Jason fraud spin this one. My guess is they just yell WITCH HUNT at the top of their lungs hoping that distracts people from the fact Trump directed and coordinated the commission of federal crime. Or maybe they’ll go with “silent coup” nonsense.

    Jake Tapper
    @jaketapper

    US Atty for SDNY reveals “AMI admitted that it made the $150,000 payment in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.

  7. Robbie says:

    Honestly, is there any evidence Trump has ever come to work?

    Jason fraud shouts “NO ONE HAS EVER WORKED HARDER THAN TRUMP. IT IS A PRIVELEDGE TO LIVE IN A COOUNTRY RULED BY HIM.”

    Adam Parkhomenko
    @AdamParkhomenko

    NBC reporting Trump has not yet come to work today.

  8. NYCmike says:

    Dow Jones index must be up today if Robbie hasn’t mentioned it.

  9. NYCmike says:

    “IT IS A PRIVELEDGE”

    -YOU should get OFF THE LEDGE.

    Would the Castro above be better than Trump as President?

  10. marc says:

    Breaking News:

    London- Govt MPs are done voting in an inter party confidence motion, PM Theresa May 2 1/2 year leadership in jeopardy, results to be announced after 9 o’clock London time.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Bernie has a lot in common with Macron:

    “The Washington Free Beacon first reported on Sanders’s use of private jets in 2017 after he disclosed a payment of just under $40,000 to Apollo Jets, a New York-based company “dedicated to providing a luxury flight experience.” The campaign stepped up its use of private planes in the campaign’s final weeks, spending $297,685 with Apollo Jets for a nine-state tour at the beginning of October.

    The campaign’s latest filing, submitted to the FEC late last week, shows an additional $6,772.50 payment to Apollo Jets on October 30, bringing Sanders’s total spending on private air travel to $403,024 for the midterm cycle.”

    Assume some of Bernie’s trips were to point out the dangers of climate change.

  12. Victrc says:

    Ugh. I just wrote a long response to Robbie’s post which didn’t pass the filter.

    Readers digest version.

    Robbie

    All negative sentiments about Trump aside, had this been any other candidate or politician this would have resulted in nothing more than a fine by the F E C. Trust me I engaged one of the nations top election lawyers and asked him.

    You may/will disagree, but it’s a fact. It’s unheard of that they are trying to turn this criminal.

  13. marc says:

    Breaking News

    London- PM May has announce to Tory MP’s she will not contest the next general election in 2022

  14. lisab says:

    Members of Migrant Caravan Demand $50,000 Each From U.S. Consulate to Return Home
    —————————

    wait … i thought there was not a caravan?

    didn’t the visigoths try that with rome?

    how are the open borders people going to spin this? either pay us $50,000 or we go to your country and get welfare forever

  15. lisab says:

    california to tax text messages

  16. marc says:

    Breaking News

    London- PM May wins party no confidence motion with majority 200-117.

  17. lisab says:

    robbie and corey both want $50,000 each or they will post continuously every day on hhr

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    16. “california to tax text messages”

    This is not going over well in California. The move is by the Public Utilities Commission, and does not need legislative approval if passed. But this would be the prefect issue for Republicans to use to make a comeback in California, if they had any political skill–which is probably asking too much.

  19. NYCmike says:

    #19 – Personally, I think the Democrats realized, because they waste so many votes in California, that they will look to tax EVERYTHING, and simply reduce their margin of victory.

    Reason being that Democrats who don’t want to pay all of those taxes simply move to another state, vote for more Democrats, and then lather, rinse, repeat.

    See NY–>NJ&CT—>PA, MD—>VA&PA and MA–>NH as previous examples….same things happening/happened to OR, WA, now NV, AZ, and CO.

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If the “text tax” were to somehow go to the California legislature, the Republicans would support it -=- on condition any business or person with income of over $5 million a year was exempted from it. Then at their next meeting, California Republicans would continue to express surprise at why California’a middle class voters no longer support them.

  21. Tina says:

    I want the text tax.

    -Jebot

  22. NYCmike says:

    SDC and Ca$h are doing good work today!

  23. NYCmike says:

    And Tina sneaks that jab in again!

  24. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Judge Sullivan, who is assigned to General Flynn’s case is demanding to see the FBI summary 302 report about the ambush Flynn interview according to a new court filing.

    Counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok showed up to the White House on January 24th, 2017 along with Special Agent Joe Pientka to interview General Flynn; the meeting was arranged by former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

  25. NYCmike says:

    Watching Castro’s video……AMAZED how well working hard and sacrificing for family works out……here’s a crazy idea, Mr. Castro – craft policies which REWARD hard work instead of sitting on one’s arse!

  26. Cash Cow TM says:

    Movement afoot to get rid of certain traditional Christmas things….

    –Frosty the Snowman: gotta go because he does not wear pants and smokes a pipe (maybe a cr.ack pipe since to began to “dance around”)

    –I’m Dreaming of a White Christmas–everything white is so last century, the song causes pain to 4 or 5 people in certain minorities…

    –Lyrics that must go: “here comes Santa Claus”
    since to some it sounds like a p.o.rn.o scene

    –Santa needs to give toys to everyone, whether they are naughty or not. Otherwise the naughty kids who get nuttin’ for Christmas will grow up with low self esteem and be stigmatized.

  27. Bitterlaw says:

    Castro forgot to mention that Granda Vitoria will vote for him even if she is dead. Democrats are loyal voters.

  28. JeffP says:

    For those asking…fascism-is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. (and 21st centry United States Democratic Party)

    Remember “Blue Dog” Democrats?

    I wonder if that is what Kasich is now?

    Text tax- of course! I wish we had a little more French vigor in demonstrating Government overreach. But no we have a NFL game to watch.

  29. JeffP says:

    *century

  30. JeffP says:

    Anyone watching public Clinton Foundation whistleblower congressional testimony today? If so…leave feedback if you can.

  31. JeffP says:

    One my clients shared with me how politics has taken over internet dating sites. Hilarious to talk with him about it. Swipe left!

  32. Tina says:

    Please stop attacking Hillary.

    -Jebot

  33. lisab says:

    For those asking…fascism-is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. (and 21st centry United States Democratic Party)
    ——————————

    except the democrats are more pan-nationalists, not ultra nationalists

    they do not even support the pledge of allegiance in public schools, which even 20 years ago would have been common. now if a school has it, it would be given in 32 different languages and to 92 different flags.

  34. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    They gave General Flynn a great deal because they were embarrassed by the way he was treated – the FBI said he didn’t lie and they overrode the FBI. They want to scare everybody into making up stories that are not true by catching them in the smallest of misstatements. Sad!……

    7,575
    8:07 AM – Dec 13, 2018

    Hopefully the judge tosses this,

  35. CG says:

    Gee, if Flynn didn’t lie, why did Trump fire him?

  36. Tina says:

    Fib said he did not lie,

    This includes both Pete the cheat and the other agent, as did Comedy in testimony, under penalty of perjury to congress, before he was axed.

  37. CG says:

    I’m 99.9 percent certain this isn’t the Trump-loving Mike from Brooklyn we know, but the “just blowing off steam” or “it’s just words” sort of rings a bell.

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/u-s-senator-targeted-for-her-comments-on-reproductive-rights-in-threatening-voicemail

  38. JeffP says:

    Hugh Hewitt

    It’s been quite a run for my former home state, but @tedlieu going full totalitarian was a topper.

    HUGH IS WAKING UP!

    John Cardillo reply…

    There is nothing more dangerous for individual liberties than far-left California Democrats.

    @RepSwalwell wants to nuke Americans, @tedlieu wants them jailed for dissent, @AdamSchiff wants to weaponize LE against them.

    They would have felt right at home in the Supreme Soviet.

  39. JeffP says:

    34 Great catch in pointing that out.

  40. Tina says:

    I heart Ted Lieu,

    -Jebot

  41. Tina says:

    White House Christmas Party for the Enemy of the people has been canceled,

    Maybe, the 9th circus court or the Hawaiian judge will overturn this.

  42. Tina says:

    Jeff Flake
    @JeffFlake
    Full of gratitude today as I deliver my farewell address in the Senate Chamber at 11:00 EST

    Full of gratitude today that you are leaving. Enjoy the Iranian payouts or China payouts.

  43. NYCmike says:

    “Full of gratitude”

    -He must be an A-Hole….he changed the word “sh*t” to mean the same thing as “gratitude”.

  44. NYCmike says:

    “I’m 99.9 percent certain this isn’t…”

    -“CG”,

    0.1% of you can GFY! (if CCCP Cory is around, 1.1% of him can GFY!)

    And, threats are NOT “just words”. They are in no way similar to joking around, or what RINOS say in campaign years.

  45. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Have you read Chaim Potok books?

    I just re-read “In The Beginning” and “My Name Is Asher Lev”. Haunting books.

  46. Paul says:

    TRUMP’S WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!

    Trump cancels Christmas Party.

  47. lisab says:

    when you are a billionaire, with a model trophy wife, and are leader of the free world to boot, every day is Christmas

  48. Tina says:

    Flynn case: FBI policy “is that the notes must be placed in the system in a 1-A file within five days of the interview,” said Jeff Danik, former FBI SAC. “Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster.” https://saraacarter.com/fbi-violated-policy-in-flynns-case-judge-demands-all-exculpatory-evidence/#.XBKuvN06VQw.twitter … via @saracarterdc

    1,124
    11:15 AM – Dec 13, 2018

  49. Tina says:

    Jennifer Jacobs
    @JenniferJJacobs
    NEW: Michael Cohen shared false testimony with the White House before he submitted it to Congress —so it’s possible Trump was aware that Cohen would make false statements, Cohen’s lawyer says on @BloombergRadio.

    (link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-12/cohen-will-talk-after-mueller-probe-is-complete-lawyer-says) bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
    Show this thread

    Lol, it’s possible that I will the $100 million lottery too.

  50. Barrett says:

    I’m trying to figure out what Robert Mueller does in his office all day, since it is 19 months and counting since his investigation started. But I’ve narrowed it down to five possibilities!

    #1 – Sudoku (at the master level)
    #2 – 1000 letter puzzles
    #3 – Manually solving 5×5 matrices
    #4 – Brainstorming while watching “A Beautiful Mind”
    #5 – Watching Obama’s inauguration on his DVR, over and over and over…

  51. lisab says:

    #6 he reads all of corey’s and robbie’s posts

  52. Robbie says:

    Me: Trump is a gross narcissist.

    Jason fraud: Trump is the most beautiful and handsome person I have ever seen. Period!

    Vivian Salama
    @vmsalama

    President Trump tells Fox News: “I think I have the greatest face in the history of politics. I have people that I love and that love me, frankly, that includes a lot of women. I’ve got a tremendous percentage of women last time, remember?”

  53. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 13, 2018 at 3:38 pm
    #6 he reads all of corey’s and robbie’s posts

    – Hey, dummy. We’re nearing the one year anniversary of your declaration that Trump would easily win a lawsuit against the GAO for giving Mueller Trump’s transition emails. How’s dis that lawsuit go?

  54. Tina says:

    Fuhrer Mulehead appears to have taken Pete the cheats and the Mistress phones and deleted the text messages,

    Apparently, in the latest release, the ig could not recover them.

    Talk about obstruction of justice.

  55. Tina says:

    Fuhrer .mulehead had no authority to wipe those phones because of ongoing investigations, but he did.

    Of course, Faux news and the others will not cover this,

    Faux is more concerned with some Saudi names Piroshki or Hoagie.

  56. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 13, 2018 at 3:23 pm
    I’m trying to figure out what Robert Mueller does in his office all day, since it is 19 months and counting since his investigation started. But I’ve narrowed it down to five possibilities!
    #1 – Sudoku (at the master level)
    #2 – 1000 letter puzzles
    #3 – Manually solving 5×5 matrices
    #4 – Brainstorming while watching “A Beautiful Mind”
    #5 – Watching Obama’s inauguration on his DVR, over and over and over…

    – I see you’re no different than Tinfoil Tina. Sad.

    If you want this to be over quickly, tell Individual 1 to cooperate and stop stonewalling about speaking with Mueller. If he’s innocent, then he’s got nothing to fear.

    If you want this to be over quickly, tell all of the scummy people whom Individual 1 has chosen to surround himself to stop lying an obfuscating.

  57. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 3:45 pm
    Fuhrer .mulehead had no authority to wipe those phones because of ongoing investigations, but he did.
    Of course, Faux news and the others will not cover this,
    Faux is more concerned with some Saudi names Piroshki or Hoagie.

    – Wait a minute. Back in the Summer of 2017, you and the rest of your conspiracy loving degenerates swore up and down Mueller was actually investigating Clinton.

  58. lisab says:

    somebody got up on the wrong side of his mommy’s basement

  59. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 12, 2018 at 2:54 pm
    “IT IS A PRIVELEDGE”
    -YOU should get OFF THE LEDGE.
    Would the Castro above be better than Trump as President?

    – I see NYCmike has set a news standard for how to judge presidents. It’s not that we should demand a Republican president who acts with some modicum of decency.

    NYCmike’s new standard is a lowlife scumbag president who puts a R after his name is fine so long as that lowlife scumbag puts a R after his name. I guess that way NYCmike can never be disappointed in what he gets.

    By the way, when does the RAISE Act go into effect?

  60. Tina says:

    Wait a minute, a year ago, you invite that Papadope wore a wire.

  61. Tina says:

    Now, why would Fuhrer Mulehead wipe those phones and commit a felony?

  62. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    December 12, 2018 at 3:14 pm
    Ugh. I just wrote a long response to Robbie’s post which didn’t pass the filter.
    Readers digest version.
    Robbie
    All negative sentiments about Trump aside, had this been any other candidate or politician this would have resulted in nothing more than a fine by the F E C. Trust me I engaged one of the nations top election lawyers and asked him.
    You may/will disagree, but it’s a fact. It’s unheard of that they are trying to turn this criminal.

    – My Reader’s Digest version. No other Republican would have used the National Enquirer to funnel money to a porn star to cover up for the fact Individual 1 screwed a porn star while his third wife was pregnant with their only son.

    But details details, right?

  63. Tina says:

    Clinton .foundatiion whistle blowers appear before congress,

    Jebots will sheot themselves in 3-2-1….

  64. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 12, 2018 at 7:04 pm
    robbie and corey both want $50,000 each or they will post continuously every day on hhr

    – When you are actually right about something, maybe you can demand $50,000. Otherwise, slithering back into your Trump hole.

  65. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 12, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    I want the text tax.
    -Jebot

    – I want a shock therapy tax.

    Tinfoil Tina

  66. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 9:13 am
    Please stop attacking Hillary.
    -Jebot

    – How are all of those posts you made in 2016 about Hillary being sick and near death working out, toots?

  67. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 11:19 am
    Gee, if Flynn didn’t lie, why did Trump fire him?

    – Don’t use common sense logic. It flummoxes the Trump deadenders.

  68. Tina says:

    How about all those posts you wrote fronting for Hillary?

    How did that turn out?

  69. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 12:06 pm
    I heart Ted Lieu,
    -Jebot

    – I heart Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi.

    Tinfoil Tina

  70. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 2:42 pm
    Jennifer Jacobs
    @JenniferJJacobs
    NEW: Michael Cohen shared false testimony with the White House before he submitted it to Congress —so it’s possible Trump was aware that Cohen would make false statements, Cohen’s lawyer says on @BloombergRadio.
    (link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-12/cohen-will-talk-after-mueller-probe-is-complete-lawyer-says) bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
    Show this thread
    Lol, it’s possible that I will the $100 million lottery too.

    – I can smell Tinfoil’s fear through the screen because even a dummy like her understands if Trump knew of approved of Cohen’s false testimony to Congress that would be obstruction of justice.

  71. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 13, 2018 at 3:48 pm
    somebody got up on the wrong side of his mommy’s basement

    – I know. Trump’s rage tweeting this morning was pretty sad, but I’ve never heard anyone refer to the White House as mommy’s basement.

  72. Tina says:

    – I can smell Tinfoil’s fear through the screen because even a dummy like her understands if Trump knew of approved of Cohen’s false testimony to Congress that would be obstruction of justice.

    No fear, just laughing my arse off at your stupidity.

  73. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    How about all those posts you wrote fronting for Hillary?
    How did that turn out?

    – Bless your heart. Maybe all of your shock therapy sessions caused memory loss because I didn’t vote for either Clinton or Trump. They were both corrupt candidates.

    However, are you now finally copping to fronting for Trump all throughout 2015 and 2016 even though you pretend to be for Kasich. A guy, I will remind you, you mocked even as you claimed to support him.

  74. lisab says:

    clinton’s have had to put the seats to their talks on groupon …

  75. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:00 pm
    – I can smell Tinfoil’s fear through the screen because even a dummy like her understands if Trump knew of approved of Cohen’s false testimony to Congress that would be obstruction of justice.
    No fear, just laughing my arse off at your stupidity.

    – Bless your heart. You have devoted your menial existence to supporting a corrupt scumbag. When Trump’s gone on January 20, 2021, what will you do then? Claim fraud is the only reason scumbag Trump was defeated? You marinate in conspiracies so I assume you’ll have no problem doing that.

  76. NYCmike says:

    “If you want this to be over quickly, tell all of the scummy people whom Individual 1 has chosen to surround himself to stop lying an obfuscating.”

    -Have you looked at prior administrations?? Have their been ZERO people charged and found guilty in those Republican administrations?

    Let’s compare apples to apples, instead of apples to your media-wanna-be-wet-dreams.

  77. Tina says:

    Who would have destroyed the evidence on the cell phones of those lovebirds? Rhee? unweissman? Bob Mueller, the untouchable and “life long Republican,” like Pius James Comey.

  78. Barrett says:

    to be fair, I want to see how many people Robbie can quote in one day.

    3…2…1…go!

  79. Barrett says:

    Tina says, Tina Says, CG Says, LisaB says, CG says, NYC Mike Says…

    What does Robbie say?

  80. Tina says:

    By the way, Comedy admits to being a commie.

    Imagine, head of fib, a commie.

    Head of .cia, a commie,

  81. NYCmike says:

    “TRUMP’S WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!”

    -Paul,

    MUCH APPRECIATED! Let Robbie in on how to maintain a semblance of sanity.

  82. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:07 pm
    “If you want this to be over quickly, tell all of the scummy people whom Individual 1 has chosen to surround himself to stop lying an obfuscating.”
    -Have you looked at prior administrations?? Have their been ZERO people charged and found guilty in those Republican administrations?
    Let’s compare apples to apples, instead of apples to your media-wanna-be-wet-dreams.

    – When in doubt, NYCmike screams “whataboutism”.

    Don’t worry, NYCmike, Hannity, Ingraham, and Dobbs are going to get to the bottom of fake scandals Uranium 1 and the rest of the nonsense you were spoon fed.

  83. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:08 pm
    to be fair, I want to see how many people Robbie can quote in one day.
    3…2…1…go!

    – I’ve got all afternoon. And honestly, there needs to be someone here willing to push back against all of the pro-Trump sycophancy and endless stream of Tinfoil Tina conspiracies.

  84. Tina says:

    And speaking of Comedy, no way can he hide this.

    He gave testimony that he knew that 2 agents were heading to Flynn’s office. This despite the fib having the illegal unmasking (prolly sent to the fib by the commie or the penguin)

    This is also mentioned by fired McCabe in his testimony,

    The ig stayed that the testimonies of McCabe, comedy, and saw Yates are “inconsistent.” So, som

  85. lisab says:

    Barrett,

    he will just continue … you could copy and paste his words from two years ago and there would be nothing new

    better to watch, why i brushed out my dreadlocks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpjfUCJGz88

  86. Tina says:

    weeted
    Tyler Zed
    Tyler Zed
    @realTylerZed
    ·
    2h
    CNN Report on Dec 12th: “Trump promised China would buy more soybeans. American farmers are still waiting.”

    CNN Fails to Report on Dec 13th: China orders one of the largest one-day buys in a decade. Nearly 2 million tons of American soybeans!

    But muh soybean was mentioned here.

  87. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:09 pm
    What does Robbie say?

    – Trump is a vile scumbag who is destroying the Republican Party and, if the numbnuts who only get their news from talk radio and FoxNews don’t figure out and demand a credible, serious primary challenger, he will be soundly defeated in 2020 and the party will suffer a wipeout worse than what just happened in 2018.

  88. CG says:

    What’s the possible comparison between the number of convictions of Trump Administration officials and those of past Republican Administrations?

    You’d have to go back to Nixon at least.

  89. CG says:

    There’s really a suspension of belief involved if one does not grasp that Michael Flynn has been cooperating extensively with the Mueller Investigation in its efforts to convict and lock up high ranking Trump associates, perhaps all the way to the top.

  90. Tina says:

    Yup, knew when one appears, the other appears.

    Do we get the two for 1 special?

    Or is one tagging in and the other out?

  91. Tina says:

    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:18 pm
    There’s really a suspension of belief involved if one does not grasp that Michael Flynn has been cooperating extensively with the Mueller Investigation in its efforts to convict and lock up high ranking Trump associates, perhaps all the way to the top.

    Not true, but carry on.

  92. Robbie says:

    The good news is we’re one day closer to the end of this disgraceful presidency. Trump is a scumbag who is doing serious, long term damage to the Republican Party, but the rebuilding will begin the day after Trump is soundly defeated by whomever the Democrats nominate in 2020.

    With any luck, 2022 will be as productive for the party as 2010 was. It will be the first midterm of the Democrat president and we’ll have just finished four years with Pelosi as Speaker. There won’t be many Senate seats to gain, but it should be a boon for people like Toomey and some of the others who narrowly won in 2016 in blue states.

  93. Tina says:

    Flynn worked for Obama for years.

  94. Tina says:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    ·
    18h
    New Harris Trump Approval 50% Registered Voters Blacks 23% Hispanics 41% Asians 46%

    Rasmussen is 48% Likely voters Fox 46% Registered Voters

  95. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Reagan administration?

    The issue is more that you guys fall for this Mueller charade. One always needs to compare the situation to a different situation, namely the actions of a theoretical Democratic administration.

    Has any Trump admin person done anything like Lois Lerner? How about Operation Fast and Furious by the Obama ATF? Anything close to that?

    How about policies like the Iran deal, where we still don’t know all of the details about what was given to them.

  96. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:19 pm
    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:18 pm
    There’s really a suspension of belief involved if one does not grasp that Michael Flynn has been cooperating extensively with the Mueller Investigation in its efforts to convict and lock up high ranking Trump associates, perhaps all the way to the top.
    Not true, but carry on.

    – I never will forget in March 2017 when Flynn’s lawyer said in the WSJ that Flynn was willing to cut a deal with prosecutors, Tinfoil Tina said there was no way Flynn would ever cooperate with prosecutors. How’d that work out, toots?

    And Tinfoil, if you think Mueller agreed to ask for no jail time for Flynn because he hadn’t been helpful over the last year or so, then your therapy aren’t working. Demand a refund.

  97. CG says:

    With each passing day it’s less likely that Trump makes it to the 2020 ballot.

    Time will tell. It would be a disaster for Republicans if he does.

  98. CG says:

    Name the high-up people in the Reagan Administration who were convicted, and if it came from their involvement in the campaign or Administration.

    Nowhere near as close or as high ranking as those associated with Trump.

  99. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:21 pm
    Flynn worked for Obama for years.

    – Honey, he worked for Obama in the same way all active duty generals work for presidents.

    I know you’re a very limited person, but I didn’t actually think you still bought into the Bill Mitchell conspiracy theory Flynn is actually flipping on Obama. My goodness, you’re dumb.

    Find a new shock therapist.

  100. CG says:

    This “whataboutism” is sad if you think about it.

    Yes, Obama was a horrible President. That does not make it ok for Trump to be a criminal. Both truths can be acknowledged and processed.

  101. Barrett says:

    #90 – I try to be fair and call balls and strikes on Trump, as someone else here put it.

    Having said that, he has no moral compass. But to be fair, the only difference between Trump and most other politicians is that his moral ambiguity is more apparent, and this is for one reason: The media hates Trump as much as Trump hates the media.

    I don’t like Trump, I probably never will. But you can’t deny that the media is a mix of antifa, ultra-feminists, socialists, and people who hate tradition simply for the sake of hating it.

    So who do you expect me to side with? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? Jake Tapper? They make the Democrats look ALMOST as insane as Trump makes the Republicans look.

    You have to accept that there’s no good answer here. I’m a centrist with a libertarian lean. Between the two extremes there is truthfully no place for me in this country, but you guys are accepting of some of my ideas, so I like it here.

  102. Tina says:

    The only convictions are Manafort and the cryer,

    Neither worked for the administration,

    No convictions of muh Russians,

    No collusion,

  103. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    “CG”,
    Reagan administration?
    The issue is more that you guys fall for this Mueller charade.

    – The “Mueller charade”? LOL. Poor NYCmike has been lost to the fever swamps. Too bad. he’s now no different than Tinfoil Tina.

  104. CG says:

    104. Side with your own conscience.

    Only you can decide for yourself what it is.

  105. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    With each passing day it’s less likely that Trump makes it to the 2020 ballot.
    Time will tell. It would be a disaster for Republicans if he does.

    – In a normal, sane world, Trump would likely not run again. However, this forum is proof that his slackjawed supporters will never abandum him. And my guess is when Trump loses badly in 2020, the same buffoons who support him now will cry fraud and then demand we renominate Trump in 2024.

  106. Tina says:

    of national intelligence in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. On April 17, 2012, President Barack Obama nominated Flynn to be the 18th director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.[27][28] Flynn took command of the DIA in July 2012.[29] He simultaneously became commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board.

    Jebots wring again,

  107. CG says:

    The “prosecution” of media figures can be endless but I don’t see how Jake Tapper would be considered on par with Maddow or Lemon.

  108. Tina says:

    As head of Dia, Flynn worked for the obumbler from 2012-2014.

    But who cares about facts in the basement, right?

  109. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    So who do you expect me to side with? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? Jake Tapper? They make the Democrats look ALMOST as insane as Trump makes the Republicans look.

    – This is such nonsense. Opposing Trump because he is a garbage human being who has no business being president doesn’t mean you support Maddow, Lemon, or any of the other clownish cable hosts who have been made into boogeymen by the hard right.

  110. Barrett says:

    #107 – My conscience tells me to just keep going to work every day like I do, and hope to God that the 2020 election gives our country the miracle it needs to return to sanity. We are going to tear apart from the inside, if we already haven’t.

  111. CG says:

    He’s going to have to cut some deals and do a lot of unsavory stuff long before 2020 in regards to pardons.

    There might be no other choice. As long as he remains not behind bars, he will declare “victory” but his options are now significantly more limited.

    Maybe I am a Pollyanna, but I think eventually sane Republicans are going to admit they have no choice but to walk away from him. In their heart of hearts they have always known that day will come but have chosen to avoid dwelling on it.

  112. Barrett says:

    #112 – that was rhetorical – I wasn’t taking sides. Who’s side would I take? Both options are unacceptable.

  113. CG says:

    113. The simple answer for that is to root for Mueller.

  114. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    You have to accept that there’s no good answer here. I’m a centrist with a libertarian lean. Between the two extremes there is truthfully no place for me in this country, but you guys are accepting of some of my ideas, so I like it here.

    – Not true at all. Trump is very vulnerable to a credible, serious primary challenge. Those who care about restoring some decency and credibility to the Republican Party should demand and support a primary challenge. Haley and Romney come to mind.

    They might lose to Trump, mostly because FoxNews and talk radio function as the propaganda arm of his White House, but at least the effort will have been made.

    Trump’s going to lose either way. You can just accept him as the nominee and lose badly in 2020, or you can try and sideline Trump and hope a new candidate can restore some of the faith voters have lost in the party.

  115. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:30 pm
    As head of Dia, Flynn worked for the obumbler from 2012-2014.
    But who cares about facts in the basement, right?

    – You aren’t very bright, are you? That’s a military position. It’s not some political appointee position. Try harder.

  116. Tina says:

    Embedded video

    Benny
    ?
    @bennyjohnson
    Pelosi predicts the government will stay “closed forever” because she is never going to fund the border wall.

    Earlier, Pelosi said she is not going to approve one dime for the Wall.

    321
    11:49 AM – Dec 13, 2018

    This will be a fun two years.

  117. Tina says:

    No, it’s a federal agency established by Kennedy.

    Is the basement cold?

  118. Tina says:

    The Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is an intelligence officer who, upon nomination by the President and confirmation by the Senate, serves as the nation’s highest-ranking military intelligence officer. He or she is the primary intelligence adviser to the Secretary of Defense and also answers to the Director of National Intelligence. The Director is also the Commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, a subordinate command of United States Strategic Command, which is headquartered in Omaha, Nebraska. Additionally, he or she chairs the Military Intelligence Board, which coordinates activities of the entire defense intelligence community.[11]

    Next…

  119. Tina says:

    Nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate.

    A federal agency that Flynn headed for 2 years.

    So, he worked for the obumbler.

  120. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:32 pm
    Maybe I am a Pollyanna, but I think eventually sane Republicans are going to admit they have no choice but to walk away from him. In their heart of hearts they have always known that day will come but have chosen to avoid dwelling on it.

    – I had thought this until recently, but FoxNews and conservative talk radio are never going to give up on Trump. And as long as they don’t abandon Trump, Republican primary voters who only get their news from those two sources aren’t going to abandon Trump.

    Trump’s vulnerable, but primary challengers understand that FoxNews and talk radio will go on a seek and destroy mission in an effort to prop up Trump.

  121. CG says:

    The primary challenge will have to be an option (though I see nothing in Nikki Haley to suggest she is willing to show the principles of breaking with Trump) as will the center-right third party options.

    All options must be on the table. It will become increasingly clear that Trump has a very decent chance of losing, even to the most odious Democrat, and his defenders and sycophants will have to determine if that is worth it.

  122. lisab says:

    Side with your own conscience.

    ————————————-

    the rules for radicals trick to get you to vote for hillary and or the 2020 nominee!

    side with your conscience, vote against hillary!

  123. CG says:

    lisa, Robbie, and I all voted against Trump and Hillary.

  124. Tina says:

    Flynn was let go by the obumbler because he said that the obumbler was not fighting Isis well.

    Isis, which started under mute 43, really franchised itself well under the obumbler?

  125. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:38 pm
    The Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is an intelligence officer who, upon nomination by the President and confirmation by the Senate, serves as the nation’s highest-ranking military intelligence officer. He or she is the primary intelligence adviser to the Secretary of Defense and also answers to the Director of National Intelligence. The Director is also the Commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, a subordinate command of United States Strategic Command, which is headquartered in Omaha, Nebraska. Additionally, he or she chairs the Military Intelligence Board, which coordinates activities of the entire defense intelligence community.[11]
    Next…

    – Tinfoil, you are the stupidest person I have ever come across. Military appointments to those positions are handled by review boards and are almost always ratified pro-forma by the civilian command. To make the claim Flynn is some sort of Obama hack because he was nominated by Obama after having been recommended by the top military leaders shows you are so uninformed that your IQ level should be tested. Are you now going to say Jim Mattis is some sort of Obama political hack because he was appointed CentCom commander during the Obama years?

    My goodness. You are so stupid that it even hurts my head.

  126. lisab says:

    Pelosi predicts the government will stay “closed forever” because she is never going to fund the border wall.

    ————————-

    it will stay closed for a while i think.

    if she backs down, her supporters will abandon her. the far left congress people already don’t like her

    same with trump. his supporters want a wall. they will not vote for him in 2020 if he does not force the issue.

    who blinks first depends on whether the “rino-wing” of the party caves — they don’t want a wall either.

    trump does not care. as far as he is concerned a closed government means less regulations

  127. lisab says:

    lisa, Robbie, and I all voted against Trump and Hillary.
    ————————-

    and warren is a native american

  128. Robbie says:

    Michael Cohen knows where all of the bodies are buried and Trump is finding that out the hard way.

    Philip Rucker
    @PhilipRucker

    Big story via WSJ –> Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating whether Trump’s 2017 inaugural committee misspent some of the record $107 million it raised from donations

  129. Tina says:

    You stated that it is a military position and you are wrong.

    But basement is cold, isn’t it? I am sure you have hello kitty blankets and your paper.

  130. Messy says:

    105. Marina Butina plead guilty this morning, Tina.

    125. Hillary isn’t running, and if she decides to, she’s going to get her ass kicked in by NH. Her sellby date is in the past.

  131. lisab says:

    Flynn was let go by the obumbler because he said that the obumbler was not fighting Isis well.
    —————————-

    obama fired a LOT of officers

  132. Tina says:

    Butina was not a Russian spy, messy lsd.

    Butina plead guilty for not registering as a foreign agent.

    And That investigation was not part of Fuhrer Mulehead.

    So, despite 2 years, actually 3: when you count fib 2015/2016, still no collusion.

  133. Tina says:

    He fired a lot of goods ones, Flynn is largely responsible for setting up the plan to rid Isis.

    Remember, it franchised well under obumbler.

  134. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:46 pm
    You stated that it is a military position and you are wrong.
    But basement is cold, isn’t it? I am sure you have hello kitty blankets and your paper.

    – It is a position filled by a military flag officer, dummy. That’s why it’s call Defense Intelligence Agency.

    For the love of God, you can’t be this stupid.

  135. CG says:

    Tina has never gotten a single fact correct. It’s not even worth the time for a back and forth.

    In the meantime, NYCMike is looking for proof of non-existent Reagan Administration corruption.

  136. lisab says:

    I am sure you have hello kitty blankets
    —————————–

    hello kitty is sooooooo last year

    now it is pikmi pops

  137. CG says:

    Any comparison would have to point of course that Reagan was President for 8 years and Trump has not even been President for 2 years.

  138. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    lisa, Robbie, and I all voted against Trump and Hillary.
    ————————-
    and warren is a native American

    – I wrote in Ronald Reagan, you twit.

    In 2020, I’ll write in George H W Bush.

    I look forward to seeing Trump lose and that won’t be my fault. It will be the fault of you sycophantic moron for renominating a candidate who will lose badly.

  139. Tina says:

    CG says:
    December 13, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Tina has never gotten a single fact correct. It’s not even worth the time for a back and forth.

    Says the Russian stooge.

  140. Tina says:

    Messy just attacked Hillary,

    Wtf, the jebots will be angry,

  141. CG says:

    The Stooges were Lithuanian-American, not Russian-American.

  142. Tina says:

    And the fact still is there that he worked two years under obama.

    Obama nom8nated him and let him go.

    Facts are stubborn, even for the bots, who came running here as soon as somebody mentioned the ?Clinton’s foundation,

  143. Tina says:

    Let Hillary steal the nomination again.

    Let her run, please.

    She was very well the last time.

  144. lisab says:

    Messy just attacked Hillary,
    ——————————

    they want hillary out

    they think she would lose

  145. Tina says:

    I want Hillary in,

    That way, when she coughs, the jebots will say she is healthy.

    When she is chucked into a van, they will. Say she slipped.

  146. CG says:

    Not a Hillary fan at all, but she is at least twice the man that Trump is considering she went to a 9/11 Memorial while having pneumonia while Trump could not even be bothered to show up to honor the dead of WWI because he didn’t want to get his hair messed up in the rain and then stayed home on Veterans’ Day as to not miss Fox and Friends.

  147. lisab says:

    hillary is currently a 66/1 underdog!

    trump is roughly 2/1

    closest is beto at 6/1

  148. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 13, 2018 at 5:11 pm
    hillary is currently a 66/1 underdog!
    trump is roughly 2/1
    closest is beto at 6/1

    – What kind of odds did George H W Bush have in December 1991?

    What kind of odds did Bill Clinton have in December 1991?

  149. Tina says:

    More Hillary please.

    Pneumonia.

    Glad it was not contagious..

    Lol

  150. lisab says:

    for that matter what were hillary’s reported odds on november 7th 2016?

    however, if you think hillary’s chances are better than that, go bet on her. you will make a killing at 66 to 1

  151. lisab says:

    it was marine one’s crew that cancelled the trip to the memorial

    but i am sure corey knows that

  152. Tina says:

    Hillary or Betamal, 2020.

    I also like Ted Lieu or Swallowhole.

    It will be fun,

  153. CG says:

    He could have gotten their by car. After all, his Chief of Staff and other officials managed to make it.

    Plus, I thought he was the Commander in Chief of those who fly Marine One.

  154. Tina says:

    Secret service said no go by car.

    They did not do an advanced route plan.

    Jus minor little details.

  155. Tina says:

    Actually, if I could choose,

    I like Beta Male-Lieu

    Or Lieu-Beta Male.

  156. CG says:

    Completely untrue. All the other American officials went. He chose not to because he did not want to get his hair wet.

    However corrupt Hillary may be, she would have gone.

    And of course, back on Veterans Day in the U.S., when it was very dry, instead of going to Arlington, as every President does every year, he skipped that for personal reasons too.

    And its funny that Hillary and Obama both knew all the words to the Apostles’ Creed by memory but Trump, who fancies himself a Christian leader, had no clue and did not even try to read the words from the book in front of him.

    He doesn’t know the Apostle’s Creed from Apollo Creed (and no, I don’t know it either but I have an excuse.)

  157. CG says:

    I expect to be joining many other Jews in watching Creed on XMas Day however.

  158. Tina says:

    front of him.

    He doesn’t know the Apostle’s Creed from Apollo Creed (and no, I don’t know it either but I have an excuse.)

    So, we do not have freedom of religion in Jebot world?

  159. CG says:

    Trump has the freedom to not be a Christian, but he should own up to it then if that is the case instead of trying to fool people by claiming otherwise.

  160. Tina says:

    Look at kos troll spew garbage.

  161. Wes says:

    You know, seeing the wish for a successful challenge to Trump for the nomination, I have to say I’m witnessing a case of wishful thinking.

    Chester Arthur—never elected President and in poor health in 1884–is the only President ever to lose his party’s nomination. I see no realistic chance for Trump to fall in 2020.

  162. Wes says:

    For the nomination, that is. I see a strong chance of his losing in November 2020.

  163. lisab says:

    For the nomination, that is. I see a strong chance of his losing in November 2020.
    ———————————
    well that is consistent with the current odds at the betting sites

    hillary however is not even close to winning according to the sites

    also very realistic i’d say right now. things can and will change

  164. Bitterlaw says:

    After the movie, Corey will have Chinese food. It is the Jewish Christmas tradition.

  165. Tina says:

    https://t.co/q0Fgnyabx5

    Military can build border, per Dod.

    Jebots are crushed,

  166. CG says:

    No Chinese food.

  167. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Before predicting whether Trump will win or lose in 2020, need to know (1.) who will be the Democratic candidate, and (2.) who will be the third party/independent candidate(s).

    Predicting a president who loses their first midterm election will automatically not be re-elected means that Presidents Reagan, Clinton and Obama should not have served a second term.
    Posters who hate Trump are engaged in wishful thinking, and could get their hopes dashed.

    I did not vote for Trump in 2016, but looking at the clown show of potential Democratic candidates, I may hold my nose and vote for him in 2020. Trump may be a bozo, but it is likely his replacement would be a worse bozo.

  168. Tina says:

    Before predicting whether Trump will win or lose in 2020, need to know (1.) who will be the Democratic candidate, and (2.) who will be the third party/independent candidate(s).

    Yes, great point,

    The socialist son, from the Lido Deck, is trying to recruit Biden and Quittens, Biden as President od course,

    Only a “real” Republican thinks this way.

  169. Wes says:

    Amazingly SDC seems to believe predicting a President who loses his first midterm will win reelection is a safe bet since he never nitpicks when Trump supporters on HHR claim Trump will win in 2020.

    Of course Ben Harrison, William Howard Taft, and Herbert Hoover—all of whom suffered catastrophic first-midterm losses and never recovered—would be examples countering that contention.

  170. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart Retweeted
    Mark Knoller
    Mark Knoller
    @markknoller
    ·
    2h
    Bills signed today by Pres Trump puts him at over 300 on the bill-signing scoreboard. At the same point in his presidency, Obama had signed 276 bills.

  171. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    5h
    Works for me.
    Quote Tweet
    Jim Hoft
    @gatewaypundit
    WATCH: Nancy Pelosi is Willing to Keep US ‘Government Closed Forever’ Before She’ll Fund Border Wall (link: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/watch-nancy-pelosi-is-willing-to-keep-us-government-closed-forever-before-shell-fund-border-wall/) thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/watch-… via @gatewaypundit

    Piglosi is more impressive each day. This actually may be a great idea.

  172. Bitterlaw says:

    No Chinese food? I thought Corey was Jewish.

    All of my wife’s family eats Chinese food and goes to the movies on Christmas.

  173. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    172. “Amazingly SDC seems to believe predicting a President who loses his first midterm will win reelection is a safe bet”

    This is the statement I made: “Before predicting whether Trump will win or lose in 2020” Wes, how can you construe this as saying I believe Trump’s relection is a “safe bet.”

    What I am saying is it is too early to know for sure. In saying this, obviously I disagree with those who predict Trump will win as well as those who say he will lose. My point is no one knows. Is it that hard to understand?

  174. dblaikie says:

    A lot of the same folks who said Trump couldn’t win in 2016 are now droning that he won’t in 2020. First if Kasich or Flake or anyone has a independent run Trump wins hands down. The Trump base is solid and all those suburban semi conservative never Trumpers will waste their vote on a Rhino. Second if the Dems. impeach Trump over campaign finance and the Senate doesn’t convict, Trump will win in landslide (Clinton syndrome). Third if the economy remains strong and the Dems nominate a loon, Trump will win strongly. A huge war chest and a strong economy is a strong combination. Fourth if the economy turns sour, chances are Trump will loose. Because of the power of incumbency it won’t be a landslide but Trump will go down.

    Now as far as us posters on HHR nothing much will change. Robbie et. al. will believe every negative Trump poll. People like me will tear down every negative Trump poll. And I will continue to argue that the averaging of polls is silly.

  175. janz says:

    I’ve never really “liked” Trump. His abrasive behavior turns me off. However, his policies are against the grain of the same old, same old politics. And, this I find productive and against the good old boys of DC. Therefore, as of today, I would vote for Trump again in 2020. I just don’t see an alternative choice that appeals to me.

  176. janz says:

    I’ve never really “liked” Trump. His abrasive behavior turns me off. However, his policies are against the grain of the same old, same old politics. And, this I find productive and against the good old boys of DC. Therefore, as of today, I would vote for Trump again in 2020. I just don’t see an alternative choice that appeals to me.

  177. janz says:

    I’ve never really “liked” Trump. His abrasive behavior turns me off. However, his policies are against the grain of the same old, same old politics. And, this I find productive and against the good old boys of DC. Therefore, as of today, I would vote for Trump again in 2020. I just don’t see an alternative choice that appeals to me.

  178. janz says:

    How did a triple happen. Sorry guys.

  179. lisab says:

    just as a academic exercize … imagine trump was elected in 1960 to 1974 …

    i don’t think his behavior compared to jfk, lbj, nixon or ford would even raise an eyebrow. he is better than any of them as far as character is concerned.

    reagan was a pig back when he was a hollywood star, but got better after he left hollywood, and we all are well aware of gwb and obama’s drug issues.

    basically i don’t see how trump is any worse character wise than any president since 1960 … or 1952 if you believe the bad rumors of eisenhower.

    but … americans are much weaker today than 1960. too many sjws, too many basement dwellers and snowflakes abound …

  180. Tina says:

    This cannot be true.

    Comey then dropped this bombshell: He admitted that he bypassed normal White House protocol when he sent two FBI agents to interrogate Flynn. “[It’s] something I probably wouldn’t have done or wouldn’t have gotten away with in a more organized administration,” Comey said…

    So, Comedy approved the entrapping of Flynn?

  181. Messy says:

    182. First off, Eisonhower’s mistress, Kay Sommersby, discussed the affair at length in her memoirs and there is other documentation. No rumor that.

    Second, Ford was never elected president. He was appointed Vice President via the 25th amendment.

    Third: Nixon’s behavior aborted his second term. Impeachment articles had already passed committee onto the floor when he became the only President in history to resign.

    Fourth Obama’s drug “problem” was mythical. He may have had a toke or three of marijuana, but then so did pretty much everyone at that age.

    Also, except for Coolidge, every single President alive at the time (and was not a little kid) drank “intoxicating liquors” during prohibition.

    Trump’s crime was not cheating on his various wives (he was proud of that), but violating the law by paying off two women. (I have said before that, as Tina likes to say, “Muh STORMY” would be what gets him, not Russia.)

    183. You’re right Tina, it cannot. Flynn knew that the agents were taking notes and the FBI and justice department had a lot of evidence of other stuff he did and after he became a cooperator it was decided to let him plead to that as a reward.

  182. Messy says:

    174. Gateway pundit? Jeez!!!!

    As Minority Leader, Pelosi cannot do much of anything, much less hold up legislation. If she was, there’s wouldn’t have been that faux tax cut which blew up the deficit.

    If Ryan wants to shut down the government, then he can.

  183. Wes says:

    LisaB has Messy the Moron triggered.

    Of course why he went on a rant about how Ford was never elected President or Vice-President or felt a need to recap the circumstances of Nixon’s resignation I don’t know.

    Then again Messy the Moron believes the following:

    1) Ebola cost Dems the 2014 elections.

    2) Brenda Snipes is a Republican.

    3) Republicans opposed Obama only because the 44th President has African heritage.

    We’re not exactly dealing with a genius here.

  184. Wes says:

    SDC, what is clear is that you post your flowcharts of nitpicks about predictions for Trump’s fate in 2020 only in response to statements claiming Trump will or is likely to lose.

    You’ve never once gotten worked up enough to respond the same way to someone claiming Trump will win.

    Maybe if you reacted the same to both sides of the argument, I wouldn’t have reason to question the thought process behind your posts.

  185. Barrett says:

    Robbie, in response to your comment about Trump being vulnerable to a primary challenge, I have to disagree.

    While I would probably support his primary challenger, I can’t say for sure if most people would. An incumbent president with a good economy is going to be hard to unseat, especially when it looks like he would get 40%+ at minimum. Even if you justify legal or moral gray areas, it’s still an uphill battle.

  186. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump may decide to not run. Trump eould not be defeated in a primary. Both can be true.

  187. Paul says:

    I’ve heard Carter was just as bad as Trump.

    He lusted in his heart. And the Bible says that’s as bad as actually grabbing them by the p*ssy.

  188. Wes says:

    As far as Presidents go, Carter was worse than Trump. Of course Carter had a fairly good midterm in 1978. That helped him not one whit in 1980–when he received fewer EVs in his reelection bid than Herbert Hoover.

  189. Wes says:

    Now think about that, Paul.

    Carter was such a disaster as President he received fewer EVs than President Depression himself, Herbert Hoover.

    That’s an amazing level of presidential failure.

  190. Paul says:

    Apart from his lust in his heart, Carter was and is a lot better than Trump. At least he is an adult and that would be a good start for the leader of the free world.

  191. Wes says:

    Let’s see…stagflation, Iran hostage crisis, malaise.

    No, Carter wasn’t a better President than Trump.

    Camp David was the highlight of his presidency. After that, he had nothing to run on and was so unpopular Ted Kennedy—the Olympic Swimmer of Chappaquiddick game—nearly unseated him in the primaries.

    In November 1980, he got 41% of the national popular vote, carried 6 states, and took a grand total of 49 electoral votes in the worst loss for an incumbent President since 1912.

    Good luck arguing Carter was somehow a good President.

    Of course I’m no Trumpism, but unlike Carter, Trump actually can point to accomplishments even if he will immediately step on his own argument with some petty, ill-considered remark that will immediately negate what he’s trying to say.

  192. Wes says:

    Tip O’Neill had this to say about Carter:

    You came in like a bunch of pricks, and you’re going out the same way.

    I realize you’ll find this hard to understand, but Tip O’Neill was Carter’s chief point man in Congress, serving as House Speaker throughout Carter’s presidential term. For him to execrate Carter that way spoke volumes.

  193. Robbie says:

    Wait a minute. I was assured by the Trumpaloos Individual 1 didn’t commit a crime when he directed hush money payments. Now, muh super lawyer Rudy says they were a crime, but just not an important crime.

    Honestly, it’s fantastic we’ve reached the stage where Individual 1 can commit crimes so long as they aren’t “important” crimes. So conservative.

    Mediaite
    @Mediaite

    Rudy Giuliani Defends Trump’s Hush Money Payments: ‘Not a Big Crime’ Because ‘Nobody Got Killed’ http://mediaite.com/a/raphx

  194. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 13, 2018 at 7:02 pm
    You know, seeing the wish for a successful challenge to Trump for the nomination, I have to say I’m witnessing a case of wishful thinking.
    Chester Arthur—never elected President and in poor health in 1884–is the only President ever to lose his party’s nomination. I see no realistic chance for Trump to fall in 2020.

    – Right now, that’s probably the case. However, I suspect things will only get worse for Trump once the Democrats take over the House and we learn more about the investigations sparked by the raid on Cohen’s office and Mueller’s investigations. And already, a poll last week showed just 45% listed Trump as their choice in the primary. No other candidate got above 6%, but it shows as much as half or more of the party is willing to consider an alternative. There just has to be one that’s credible.

  195. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 13, 2018 at 10:22 pm
    Amazingly SDC seems to believe predicting a President who loses his first midterm will win reelection is a safe bet since he never nitpicks when Trump supporters on HHR claim Trump will win in 2020.
    Of course Ben Harrison, William Howard Taft, and Herbert Hoover—all of whom suffered catastrophic first-midterm losses and never recovered—would be examples countering that contention.

    – SDC’s analysis also ignores the differences between Trump and the presidents he listed. Those presidents were never personally unpopular in the way Trump is. The losses the parties of those presidents suffered were over the economy. The losses Republicans suffered were due to a rebuke of Trump personally.

    On top of that, SDC seems to think Individual 1’s job approval rating doesn’t matter. It is the single most important factor. Trump’s never been above 45% in the RCP average and that is a number that guarantees a defeat in 2020. It won’t matter who Democrats nominate.

    Trumpaloos can spend the next two years saying “but muh socialism”, but it’s not going to matter if Individual 1 remains so unpopular. GHWB had a terrible JA rating in 1992 and lost to a small state governor who dodged the draft, smoked pot, and had multiple affairs.

  196. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 13, 2018 at 11:06 pm
    A lot of the same folks who said Trump couldn’t win in 2016 are now droning that he won’t in 2020. First if Kasich or Flake or anyone has a independent run Trump wins hands down. The Trump base is solid and all those suburban semi conservative never Trumpers will waste their vote on a Rhino. Second if the Dems. impeach Trump over campaign finance and the Senate doesn’t convict, Trump will win in landslide (Clinton syndrome). Third if the economy remains strong and the Dems nominate a loon, Trump will win strongly. A huge war chest and a strong economy is a strong combination. Fourth if the economy turns sour, chances are Trump will loose. Because of the power of incumbency it won’t be a landslide but Trump will go down.
    Now as far as us posters on HHR nothing much will change. Robbie et. al. will believe every negative Trump poll. People like me will tear down every negative Trump poll. And I will continue to argue that the averaging of polls is silly.

    – What type of redemptive act will it take for Individual 1 to overcome directing and participating in a federal crime?

  197. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 14, 2018 at 9:53 am
    Robbie, in response to your comment about Trump being vulnerable to a primary challenge, I have to disagree.
    While I would probably support his primary challenger, I can’t say for sure if most people would. An incumbent president with a good economy is going to be hard to unseat, especially when it looks like he would get 40%+ at minimum. Even if you justify legal or moral gray areas, it’s still an uphill battle.

    – It’s an uphill battle. I have not suggested otherwise. However, we’re in a different period now. Before 2018, Republicans felt a need to justify how they voted. Post 2018, Republicans, who just saw their party decimated due to Trump, have to decide whether they want to sign up for another four years of this perpetual nonsense and embarrassment.

    Regardless, look at the poll Dave published a week or so ago that showed Trump getting just 45% of the primary vote. I know no one else got above 6%, but it’s Trump’s standing that’s key. One poll does not prove anything, but it does show there may be as much as 55% of the party willing to consider a different option.

    Of course, to have any chance there must be a credible alternative. Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley fit that bill. I doubt John Kasich would, but I would certainly support him over Trump.

    And honestly, with the myriad of legal troubles closing in on Trump, I don’t think it’s a 100% lock he runs again.

  198. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 14, 2018 at 10:45 am
    As far as Presidents go, Carter was worse than Trump. Of course Carter had a fairly good midterm in 1978. That helped him not one whit in 1980–when he received fewer EVs in his reelection bid than Herbert Hoover.

    – Carter was done in by a poor economy and ran for re-election during a recession. His job approval rating before election day was 42% and he got 42% of the vote.

    If the economy slows even slightly, Trump’s popularity will drop. If the economy weren’t good right now, I shudder to think what his approval rating would be right now.

  199. Robbie says:

    Glad to know Trump isn’t taxing himself with arduous work days.

    Eli Stokols
    @EliStokols

    A Marine just positioned himself outside the West Wing doors, meaning that POTUS got to the Oval today at 11:43 a.m.

  200. CG says:

    Jon Kyl has announced he will resign from the Senate this month.

    Doug Ducey can appoint a replacement, who will become Arizona’s Senior Senator next year, (and will have to run in 2020)

    According to Roll Call, Martha McSally is a non-starter among Arizona Republican donors, etc, who are upset that she lost the recent race and she is not expected to get the appointment.

    The names being most mentioned are Ducey’s former Chief of Staff Kirk Adams and Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery.

    Without a strong Republican candidate, this will be a very vulnerable seat in 2020. Democrats seem like they may nominate Grant Woods, the former Republican Attorney General and longtime McCain associate.

  201. lisab says:

    since ww2, character-wise i would put truman and carter at the top

    reagan and eisenhower next, if you believe in redemption. certainly reagan was a total pig back when he bedded starlets left and right, but after he left hollywood he did reform. ghwb is possibly in this group. i would put candidates romney, dukakis, gore and mondale here

    ford, gwb, obama and trump next — i would put candidate mccain here too

    and at the bottom, jfk, lbj, nixon and candidate hillary, obama goes here if you don’t like the leftist agenda to suppress dissent that he started

    so basically nice guys usually finish last

  202. CG says:

    It is a complete, Kitty Kelly fabricated, evidence-free canard that Ronald Reagan was some sort of cad at any point in his life.

  203. CG says:

    Kay Summersby denied she ever actually had sex with Ike. It appears unlikely they did.

    GWB admitted privately that he smoked marijuana as a young man but never used cocaine (he also admitted he drank a lot before age 40) and Barack Obama admitted to marijuana and cocaine use in his youth.

    I don’t think there is evidence to suggest a “drug problem” with either.

  204. lisab says:

    if you want to argue mccain is too low because his heroism shows he was brave, i can sympathize

    but simply disagree.

    you canbe brave and still be a total p_ick

  205. Wes says:

    Somehow Lisa forgot Bill Clinton.

  206. Wes says:

    Isn’t a DUI legal evidence of a drug problem?

  207. CG says:

    Not an illegal drug problem, which is what lisa’s claim was.

  208. Paul says:

    She secretly thinks Bill Clinton is a hottie so she left him off the list.

  209. lisab says:

    wes,

    i am torn on bill clinton.

    total sleazebag … but … i am not sure he and hillary do not have a marriage of convenience… in fact i think they do

    soooooooo … is it cheating if you and your wife are both ok with it?

    but then there are the teen island rumours …

    i am not sure he falls to the bottom level

    oh … dole would be top level

  210. Wes says:

    Can you point to me where Lisa mentioned illicit drugs, Corey?

    I see the word “character” but no reference to anything explicitly drug related.

  211. lisab says:

    Kay Summersby denied she ever actually had sex with Ike. It appears unlikely they did.
    ———-

    but messy says it is totally proven

    i have heard both

    he is near the top, that is his one alleged failing, if true

  212. CG says:

    A reference to a “drug problem” which is what she said, would not equate to Dubya’s long-ago drinking or Obama’s nicotine addiction.

    Let the HHR lawyer sort it out.

    Let’s remember that Gennifer Flowers also produced detailed stories about Bill Clinton and cocaine use.

    (and in terms of Bob Dole, he surprised his first wife with a request for a divorce far more than the first Mrs. McCain was surprised. I don’t think there is any evidence to suggest Dole had an affair though, although it was alleged in the 1996 campaign in tabloids)

  213. lisab says:

    wes,

    before i noted that both obama and gwb are rumoured to have taken cocaine

    bill too actually

  214. lisab says:

    yes i did not specify at the time

    i figured everyone knows about gwb probably having serious alcohol issues in the past

  215. lisab says:

    gwb, obama, ford, reagan and trump all cleaned up by the te they made president, so if hyou believe in redemption, which bitterlaw does not, there is that

    jfk, lbj, bill clinton and nixon were all bad while in office

  216. lisab says:

    oh … gwb too

    (but he still blew up iraq, so maybe he should have continued drinking)

  217. CG says:

    What did Ford do wrong now?

    (I think I recall not too long ago that lisab claimed he had been divorced. No, it was Betty, not him, who had been divorced. She escaped an abusive marriage.)

  218. lisab says:

    no, i never claimed he was divorced

    you are making things up again

  219. CG says:

    Somebody claimed that here not long ago in their never-ending defense of Trump. Yes, it could have been someone else but your track record in regards to making up things is legendary.

  220. CG says:

    I looked into it and the “Ford was divorced too” was actually made by Cash Cow.

    The Cow is not typicallY a Trump Defender so perhaps it was just a “moo”t point.

  221. Wes says:

    I hate to interrupt you, but Dave has given us a new thread.

  222. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/oig-muellers-office-scrubbed-strzok-page-text-messages-before-ig-could-review-them/

    -The fact that “CG” and Robbie continue to harp on Trump’s alleged illegal activity while the people “investigating” said activity do things like this make it all the more apparent that this is a witch hunt.

  223. lisab says:

    Somebody claimed that here not long ago in their never-ending defense of Trump. Yes, it could have been someone else but your track record in regards to making up things is legendary.

    ———————–

    corey,

    i have posted the MANY times you have lied

    if you were any more a troll you would live under a bridge

  224. CG says:

    Never once, have I been caught in a “lie.” Like any other human, I have occasionally made factual mistakes and have welcomed them being corrected.

    On the other hand, lisab, for years, for her own amusement, will make up quotes or attribute them to politicians who did not say them, just to see what kind of reaction she can get.

  225. Messy says:

    186. All of which have been proven true (although while Brenda Snipes is technically a a Democrat, she was appointed and re-appointed by Republicans.)

    I’d show definitive proof, but the site only allows one link per post.