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Edwards/Abraham Tied in Louisiana Runoff Election

We have a new poll from Remington Research that shows Jon Bel Edwards short of the 50% he needs to avoid a runoff, where he is currently in a dead heat with the leading Republican.

GOVERNOR – LOUISIANA – PRIMARY (Remington)
Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 43%
Ralph Abraham (R) 31%
Eddie Rispone (R) 9%

GOVERNOR – LOUISIANA – RUNOFF (Remington)
Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 44%
Ralph Abraham (R) 44%

GOVERNOR – LOUISIANA – RUNOFF (Remington)
Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 46%
Eddie Rispone (R) 39%

This poll was done December 11-12 among 1680 likely voters. This gives me the opportunity to highlight the return of The Hedgehog Report PollWatch pages, which after going into hiding the last two cycles, are back. Along the top menu bar below The Hedgehog Report logo, you can click on the three states that have elections coming up next year at the gubernatorial level.

Posted by Dave at 1:12 pm
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168 Responses to “Edwards/Abraham Tied in Louisiana Runoff Election”

  1. Wes says:

    No party has swept all three governorships up the year before a presidential election since 1987. It’s unlikely to happen next year though not impossible.

  2. sandiegocitizen says:

    None of the Louisiana polls were accurate. They only polled live voters.

  3. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 14, 2018 at 1:19 pm
    No party has swept all three governorships up the year before a presidential election since 1987. It’s unlikely to happen next year though not impossible.

    – Matt Bevin will probably win here in KY, but R’s knocking on doors in the run-up to 2018 found their biggest pushback came against Bevin.

  4. Robbie says:

    One point about a potential primary challenge to Trump.

    I mentioned this a few weeks back, but no one thought LBJ was vulnerable heading into 1968 even in January 1968. Still, Eugene McCarthy entered the race because he wanted to make Vietnam a bigger issue. Then to the surprise of everyone, New Hampshire primary voters gave LBJ a very, very narrow win. A few days later, he quit the race.

    My point is this. Individual 1 may look to be in a strong position right now, but in 6 months? In a year? And until primary voters actually have an alternative, we just won’t know whether Trump’s standing with primary voters is a mirage or real.

  5. NYCmike says:

    “My point is this. Individual 1 may look to be in a strong position right now, but in 6 months? In a year?”

    -And, if Trump is in a stronger position, Robbie will continue regurgitating the media/Democrat line, so fear not.

  6. Wes says:

    Robbie, after the Tet offensive, when Walter Kronkite went on the air and turned the country against Vietnam, Johnson was very clearly vulnerable.

  7. sandiegocitizen says:

    4. Robbie I agree, at this point we just don’t know. Trump fatigue may set in and Republicans may want a change. Combative politicans usually have a short shelf life. Once they disrupt the old system, voters turn to a more calm person to rebuild.

  8. Wes says:

    Cronkite*

  9. sandiegocitizen says:

    6. Americans were already questioning the war prior to the Tet offensive. Know CBS and the liberal media would like to credit Cronkite. Despite Cronkite, Nixon was elected president and for several years continued to fight the Vietnam war, while attempting to train the Vietnamese to fight on their own. Our efforts were in vain. The Vietnamese proved incapable.

  10. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 14, 2018 at 2:11 pm
    Robbie, after the Tet offensive, when Walter Kronkite went on the air and turned the country against Vietnam, Johnson was very clearly vulnerable.

    – Still, no one though LBJ was in danger of not being the Democrat nominee. Yet a few days after the NH primary, he quit the race.

    Given that Trump, the Trump campaign, the Trump organization, and the Trump inaugural committee are under investigation, it’s hard to argue he’s not vulnerable either.

  11. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 14, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    “My point is this. Individual 1 may look to be in a strong position right now, but in 6 months? In a year?”
    -And, if Trump is in a stronger position, Robbie will continue regurgitating the media/Democrat line, so fear not.

    – Trump won’t be in a stronger position a year from now. You know that, but it’s never been about winning elections for you. It’s always been about making a point. And somehow, you’ve decided the only way to make a conservative point is to stand 100% behind a scumbag, liberal conman from NYC.

  12. sandiegocitizen says:

    The irony is California now has a huge Vietnamese population, that is strongly Republican. It will likely play a leadership role in the Republican Party.

  13. Robbie says:

    Among others, I think Mitt Romney or Nikki Haley can give Individual 1 a real run for his money in a primary. They both have high name ID, the ability to raise money, the ability to hire great staff, and they also have strong bonds with the party voters. In other words, the campaign each might run would not be a vanity project designed to get a FoxNews contributorship.

    However, the only person who is making noise right now is John Kasich. I doubt Kasich can beat Individual 1 because Kasich has spent the last two years trying to disassociate himself from the Republican Party as a whole. That might pay dividends in a general, but he can’t get to a general without gaining the support of primary voters he seems to not to like.

    Still, if Kasich serves as a stalking horse who demonstrates to other candidates that Individual 1 is beatable, then great. And while I like Romney and Haley, there may be other candidates out there we’re not contemplating who could win a primary.

    Polls of primary voters may show Trump still has their support, but plenty of other factors suggest his position is not firm. For instance, Trump, the Trump campaign, the Trump Organization, and the Trump inaugural committee are under investigation. Also, Trump’s job approval is in the low 40’s according to the RCP average and polling data from multiple sources shows Trump’s tweets and persona are wearing thin.

    Individual 1 is still the most likely nominee in the absence of a challenger, though.

  14. Robbie says:

    sandiegocitizen says:
    December 14, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    The irony is California now has a huge Vietnamese population, that is strongly Republican. It will likely play a leadership role in the Republican Party.

    – And didn’t Trump just change how the government views Vietnamese immigrants who came here before the war and they’re now subject to deportation?

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    After President Clinton’s first midterms, in which the Republicans made substantial gains, Clinton brought in Dick Morris who advised him to moderate him to change and moderate his positions. So far, Trump is not showing much sign of making any changes, and if this remains the case am not optimistic in 2020. However, it is too early make any predictions, particularly as the next act is likely to be a Democratic clown show. The Democrats may take the initiative and get Trump re-elected. They are good at that sort of things.

  16. Robbie says:

    Also, Chris Christie just turned down the opportunity to be Trump’s chief of staff. Hard to say his White House is a well oiled machine when he can’t even find someone to take what is probably the second most important job in the government.

  17. Barrett says:

    Robbie, I will agree with you on that. The white house is a circus right now. It’s pretty much a revolving door for most.

  18. CG says:

    Trump just changed the policy on Vietnamese refugees, making them subject to deportation.

    For all the talk about how Vietnamese-Americans might vote Republican, it’s hard to see how that does not hurt.

  19. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 14, 2018 at 2:41 pm
    After President Clinton’s first midterms, in which the Republicans made substantial gains, Clinton brought in Dick Morris who advised him to moderate him to change and moderate his positions. So far, Trump is not showing much sign of making any changes, and if this remains the case am not optimistic in 2020. However, it is too early make any predictions, particularly as the next act is likely to be a Democratic clown show. The Democrats may take the initiative and get Trump re-elected. They are good at that sort of things.

    – I don’t think you can compare what happened to Clinton in 1994 to what happened to Trump in 2018. In 1994, it was about the economy and a view Clinton had tried to govern too liberally in his first two years. Sure, Clinton moved to the center after 1994, but he won re-election because the economy had clearly improved.

    In 2018, Trump and Republicans got defeated because the country revolted against Trump’s behavior as president. Unfortunately, Republicans in the House had to pay the bill for the checks Trump wrote. And regrettably, it appears the economy may be slowing just as we start the 2020 cycle.

    Clinton, for all of his miscues in 1993 and 1994, was never personally viewed unfavorably. Trump is personally viewed unfavorably and that almost certainly caps how high his job approval can go.

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    14. Agree Robbie, the attempt to deport Vietnamese was a very poor decision. Trump was aiming to deport Vietnamese who were involved in criminal activities — there are Vietnamese in California who are heavily involved in the narcotics activities. (Ironically some of them are former South Vietnamese leaders.) But the issue blew up in Trump’s face, and he is now backing away from it. Here is an excerpt from a NYT article:

    “The Trump administration unilaterally decided to reinterpret the agreement, saying that people convicted of crimes were not protected, according to American officials. The administration began pressing Vietnam to take back some of the pre-1995 arrivals.

    The decision outraged the American ambassador to Vietnam, Ted Osius, who was removed from his post last fall and then resigned from the State Department. He characterized the deportation effort as a broken promise to South Vietnamese families who had been allies of the United States during the war and would not be safe in Vietnam.”

  21. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18. “Trump just changed the policy on Vietnamese refugees, making them subject to deportation.”

    The policies focus on people who were convicted of crimes, often involved violent gang activity and the narcotics trade. Do you think these people should not be deported?

  22. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Its issues like the deportation of criminal Vietnamese that bother me about the anti-Trump talk. Rather than looking at what Trump is specifically trying to accomplish, instead broad, emotional denunciations of Trump are made. Are people really against deporting Vietnamese drug kingpins?

    I can understand it is unwise politically for Trump to do it, but there also is a benefit to having a president who focuses on what we should do, and not what is politically expedient.

  23. CG says:

    Lock up the Vietnamese drug kingpins. Keep them off the streets. We don’t have to deport people to Communist countries.

    We have had a policy for many years that gave special status to refugees from Cuba and Vietnam, and I think for good reason. It should not be necessary to make those policies null and void now.

    Whether one believes our Cold War anti-communist/pro-freedom policy was correct or not, the fact is that people in those communities would surely be outraged over those kind of changes and thus would react negatively towards the political party doing so.

  24. CG says:

    To state the obvious, anybody in America should be subject to the laws of the land, but deporting anybody who has lived here *legally* since before 1975 is cruel and unusual.

  25. CG says:

    Old Nazi war criminals, living here under different identities for decades are not the same thing, as they would not have been allowed to come here legally, so those should not be confused.

    Nonetheless, deporting very old men is not exactly a sign of strength or power by itself.

  26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    We used to deport mafia members to Italy, because of their criminal conduct in the U.S. Why not do the same thing with criminals from Vietnam or Cuba?

  27. CG says:

    Do you genuinely not understand the Communist refugee component?

  28. lisab says:

    Somebody claimed that here not long ago in their never-ending defense of Trump. Yes, it could have been someone else but your track record in regards to making up things is legendary.

    ———————–

    corey,

    i have posted the MANY times you have lied

    if you were any more a troll you would live under a bridge

  29. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is an example of what is happening in Orange County.

    “Rise in Household Robberies

    In the past year, for example, there has been a surge in household robberies by heavily armed Vietnamese gangs in Orange County, the suburban area south of Los Angeles in which Garden Grove is situated. The county now has about 90,000 Vietnamese residents, by far the largest concentration in the country.

    More than 30 such armed robberies were reported, according to the authorities. In a number of the robberies the victims had been tied up or shot, and the gangs had later telephoned to demand further payments. Lieutenant Adair estimated that crime by Vietnamese now accounted for 25 percent of the work of the investigation division of the Garden Grove police. ”And it’s going up fast,” he said.

    Some law-enforcement officials, like Capt. Donald Saviers of the Police Department in Westminster, which adjoins Garden Grove, believe there must be some form of structure behind this increase.

    ”They’re so cockeyed mobile,” he said. ”They can rob a shopping center in Orange County one day, then jump in their cars and a few days later hit some place in San Jose, Houston, or Washington, where there are other large groups of Vietnamese. It indicates a level of organization which we just haven’t penetrated.”

    Other law-enforcement authorities, as well as testimony before the President’s Commission on Organized Crime, have gone further, suggesting the organization is nationwide in scope and is headed by Nguyen Cao Ky, the former South Vietnamese Prime Minister. Mr. Ky has denied it.”

    I am sorry, but the “Communist refugee component” isn’t relevant to this sort of conduct. You become involved in major criminal activity, you get deported. End of story.

  30. CG says:

    Never once, have I been caught in a “lie.” Like any other human, I have occasionally made factual mistakes and have welcomed them being corrected.

    On the other hand, lisab, for years, for her own amusement, will make up quotes or attribute them to people who did not say them, just to see what kind of reaction she can get.

  31. CG says:

    So, these gang members doing the robberies are people born in Vietnam during the war?

    There’s nothing in that story to suggest that the perpetrators are not American-born citizens.

  32. CG says:

    One can disagree with the long-standing American policy of accepting refugees from either Cuba or Vietnam, but the policy did exist for a reason.

    Changing it will also result in massive shifts in political behavior within the U.S.

    We have come a long way from “Vietnamese will be the leadership of the California Republican Party” to “look at all the criminals they produce.”

  33. lisab says:

    I have occasionally made factual mistakes and have welcomed them being corrected.
    ————————————-
    you lie even about lying

    just yesterday …

    “Trump could not even be bothered to show up to honor the dead of WWI because he didn’t want to get his hair messed up in the rain ”

    a total lie …

    the marines canceled the trip

  34. CG says:

    How old are these Orange County hooligans? Where were they born?

  35. CG says:

    Find a source suggesting “Marines” cancelled the trip.

    The helicopter is called “Marine One” but that is a name.

    Trump, the Commander in Chief of the Marines and all the other branches of the service cancelled the trip, while all his underlings went. The weather at the event indicated mild rain. Certainly nobody was in any danger.

  36. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    32. “We have come a long way from “Vietnamese will be the leadership of the California Republican Party” to “look at all the criminals they produce.””

    Are you calling all Vietnamese criminals? How about all Italians, since we deported mafia members. By deporting the criminals to Vietnam, are we not protecting the law-abiding Vietnamese in this country, who are the primary victims?

  37. CG says:

    If anything it would be the Secret Service who would advise against a visit or an event, but the President of course has final say. Nothing about “Marines.”

    As for the visit to the American cemetery that Trump cancelled, there is nothing to suggest the Secret Service advised against it, even though he may have tried to blame them.

  38. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    31. There’s nothing in that story to suggest that the perpetrators are not American-born citizens.

    Here is a hint. .”..suggesting the organization is nationwide in scope and is headed by Nguyen Cao Ky, the former South Vietnamese Prime Minister. Mr. Ky has denied it.”

  39. Robbie says:

    George Papadopolous is considering a run for Congress. We now know who Tinfoil will be supporting.

  40. CG says:

    Are these “Vietnamese criminals” people born in Vietnam who came to America before 1995 or especially in the early to mid 1970s? That is what is relevant.

    Or are these the children and grandchildren of Vietnamese refugees who are of course American citizens?

    Italians were always required to come to America through official immigration procedures. For better or worse, we have had different policies for people escaping Communism in Cuba and Vietnam.

    You have the right to think those policies were wrong. I do not. We can enforce our laws without breaking decade long commitments.

  41. CG says:

    So, is the organizer the one breaking into the house or are the robbers more likely teenagers or people in their 20s who were born in the US and are American citizens?

    Lock ’em up.

  42. CG says:

    If former South Vietnamese government officials living legally in the U.S are involved in criminal activities, I would propose extraditing them to Canada, since Canada took the draft-dodgers from that war.

    But no, we should not send them to the Communist country they escaped from decades ago where they and their families would be brutally targeted.

  43. Robbie says:

    Not surprisingly, Mueller’s rebuttal memo to Flynn essentially tells him to cut the crap and they listed the multiple time Mike Flynn lied to the press, the transition team, Mike Pence, and the FBI.

    Sad.

  44. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    41. “So, is the organizer the one breaking into the house or are the robbers more likely teenagers or people in their 20s who were born in the US and are American citizens? Lock ’em up.”

    The gang leadership are former Vietnamese government officials, who not only are involved with criminal activity, but are also corrupting the youth. Ship them back.

  45. CG says:

    We can lock up the leadership and should if necessary execute them here.

    No need for them to be “shipped back” where their innocent family members would immediately be targeted for torture and worse.

    When the U.S. makes a promise, that promise should be kept.

    The vast majority of Vietnamese refugees are law-abiding productive people who have added much to America.

    Trump just wants to brag to his political base about all the “foreigners” he wants to deport.

  46. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    42. “If former South Vietnamese government officials living legally in the U.S are involved in criminal activities, I would propose extraditing them to Canada, since Canada took the draft-dodgers from that war.”

    Oh sure. Canada is going to accept a bunch of murderous gang drug lords.

  47. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    45. It appears Canada also has the nasty habit of deporting Chinese involved with the narcotics trade. You need to go give them a lecture too.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-drug-dealer-facing-deportation-to-china-wins-right-to-appeal-sentence

  48. CG says:

    They accepted the draft dodgers..

    Just how many of these elderly Vietnamese GangLords are there running around?

    Of course we can put them in prison and make sure they do not get out.

  49. Wes says:

    Liberals are now seriously thinking if Trump is removed from office, Pence will follow. The former is an extremely remote possibility; the latter, a nonexistent one.

  50. CG says:

    47. I’m not Canadian

    Again, you seemingly do not understand that we had a special deal decades ago involving these refugees. This is not an ordinary circumstance. You have to at least accept the reality of that, whether you think it was a good policy or not.

    Maybe Trump can find some Brazilian immigrants involved in illegal activity to make up the difference to his thirsty base.

  51. CG says:

    Let these 75 year old plus Vietnamese Drug Lords share a cell with Manafort, Stone, etc.

  52. lisab says:

    even the ap had to “clarify”

    reluctantly i am sure

    WWI-Trump-Cemetery story
    November 11, 2018
    PARIS (AP) — In a story Nov. 10 about President Donald Trump canceling a planned visit to a cemetery for Americans killed in World War I, The Associated Press reported that the Secret Service determines when it’s safe to fly Marine One, the president’s helicopter. The story should have made clear that the Marine Corps and White House Military Office make the determination to ground the president’s helicopter due to bad weather. The military office then presents the recommendation to the White House in collaboration with the Secret Service.

  53. CG says:

    That explains the policy (and of course the President always has final say), not that it happened in this case, because it did not.

    Every other American official in Paris went to the ceremony but Trump. Their “safety” was apparently never a concern nor was it for all the other world leaders who attended. It merely drizzled.

    However, in fairness, nobody else on the President’s staff or other world leaders spend nearly as much time daily on their hair.

  54. lisab says:

    The helicopter is called “Marine One” but that is a name.
    —————————————–

    marine one is called marine one because it is flown by the marines you idiot

  55. lisab says:

    yeah, the marines said it was too dangerous and he did not go

    now …

    find a source that backs your claim he did not want to mess his hair you liar

  56. lisab says:

    remember the time you claimed your guess about the 2016 election was as good as the average hhr guess?

    when in fact you were the worst save for cory?

  57. lisab says:

    or how about a source for marine one

    just being a name and not having anything to do with the marines

    i suppose you think air force one has nothing to do with the air force?

  58. CG says:

    And who is the Commander in Chief of the Marines?

    Who drives the car the President could have ridden in?

    Why would a trip be cancelled due to weather when it was only drizzling?

    Why did he not go to the Veterans’ Day ceremony in Washington D.C.?

  59. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    50. “Maybe Trump can find some Brazilian immigrants involved in illegal activity to make up the difference to his thirsty base.”

    Oh right, bring Brazilians into it. My partner came to this country to serve in the U.S. Marine Corp, and served this country very well.

    There are Brazilians (and Cubans) involved in narcotics activity, and I don’t care where you are from; if you deal in narcotics and are from a foreign country, you have voided your naturalization and need to be sent home.

  60. CG says:

    There is not a single, solitary quote or statement from any official in the military or Secret Service saying the trip was cancelled due to safety issues.

    They said “logistical and scheduling”, aka., he was worried about his horrific combover.

  61. Wes says:

    Lisa, wasn’t MD worst prognosticator on HHR in 2014 and 2016?

  62. CG says:

    In regards to 2016, I didn’t do too well on the Electoral College just like all sorts of people didn’t do well when they said Trump would easily win the popular vote, but on U.S. House races that cycle, I pretty much nailed it.

  63. CG says:

    Funny that Trump wasn’t too concerned about his own safety or that of others the last time he went into a Stormy.

  64. lisab says:

    They said “logistical and scheduling”, aka., he was worried about his horrific combover.
    —————

    show your source he was worried about his hair which is what you stated

    i showed you the ap source where they explained who decides if marine one could fly

    oh that’s right

    you lied … as you do

  65. lisab says:

    In regards to 2016, I didn’t do too well on the Electoral College just like all sorts of peopl
    ——————-

    you did the worst save for cory, who is not from the usa

    but nice attempt to

  66. CG says:

    The hair is my theory. You can disagree if you want.

    It was on the record that he was upset that Saturday where the Pittsburgh shooting occurred and he had campaign events to do that answering questsions on a tarmac when it was raining messed up his hair for the day.

    It was funny because I remember watching him speak that day, not knowing that backstory, and thinking that his hair actually looked better than it usually did.

  67. CG says:

    The President and the President alone decides if he will be flown by helicopter or not.

    Nobody would expect him to fly during a hurricane but the weather of that day indicated there would have been no issues. So, that seems like an after the fact excuse.

    There were also other ways he could have gotten there.

  68. CG says:

    The whole point is that Hillary decided that attending the 9/11 anniversary event was important enough for her to do even when she had pneumonia and even when she was advised not to.

    Now, she probably shouldn’t have gone, especially considering she nearly fainted from the heat in front of a camera, (and then of course she couldn’t help but try to cover it up and withhold the truth of course) but unlike Trump, she actually was willing to do something “risky”, even though standing outside with an umbrella when it was drizzling is not exactly “risky.”

  69. CG says:

    “By the way somebody just said, your hair looks different today. I said, well I was standing under the wing of Air Force One doing a news conference this morning. A very unfortunate news conference. And the wind was blowing and the rain and I was soaking wet,” Trump said. “And that’s what I ended up with today. And I said, well, at least you know it’s mine. And I said maybe I should cancel this arrangement because I have a bad hair day and the bad news is someone actually said actually it looks better than it usually does.”

    So, we know he considers cancelling events based on the status of his hair.

  70. lisab says:

    The hair is my theory.
    ———————–

    so you admit you made it up and stated it as fact, e.g. lied

    as you do

  71. lisab says:

    The whole point is that Hillary decided that attending the 9/11 anniversary event was important enough for her to do even when she had pneumonia and even when she was advised not to.
    ———————

    and it may have cost your preferred candidate the election!!! 🙂

  72. CG says:

    Mitt, Jeb, et al, were already out at the time.

    Very sensitive, snowflakish people on the internet continue to not understand what opinions are.

    There’s a difference between an opinion and “lying.”

    For example, when lisa said over and over again that Rubio was gay and that Kasich was gay and Cruz was gay, she may have merely been stating an opinion. A dumb opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.

    When she said on this site that John McCain was known to call his wife the “c word” as a fact, that was a lie, but of course lisab will say, “well, all I was saying is that called her Cindy…”

  73. Paul says:

    ‘Silky Pony’ Trump is not having a great week.

  74. lisab says:

    Very sensitive, snowflakish people on the internet continue to not understand what lies are

    at least you consistently lie

  75. lisab says:

    For example, when lisa said over and over again that Rubio was gay and that Kasich was gay and Cruz was gay, she may have merely been stating an opinion. A dumb opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.
    ———————-

    again a lie

    i said their was gay rumors about rubio

    you told me about kasich

    and the huffington post reported about mccain

    you just make stuff up

  76. CG says:

    What did the Huffington Post report about McCain?

    Are they your source for all these things?

    The “Rubio is gay” thing was a topic you visited on a nearly daily basis.

  77. CG says:

    Then you moved on to saying Robbie is.

    Clearly, that is one of your “go to” places.

  78. CG says:

    What was your source for the claim that “Christians” in the U.S. regularly get away with throwing gay people off of roofs?

    Your insistence on that was a topic on HHR for several weeks, a few years ago, circa 2013 or so.

    But now that you either pretend to be or truly are (I go back and forth) a Trump lover here means that maybe you think others have forgotten or that you can re-invent yourself.

  79. lisab says:

    What was your source for the claim that “Christians” in the U.S. regularly get away with throwing gay people off of roofs?
    ——————————-

    another lie … that is actually not what i posted

    but i can see why you would lie about it

    you being a liar and all 🙂

  80. CG says:

    What did you post?

  81. Robbie says:

    Never forget lisab claimed I was gay simply because she didn’t like what I was posting and thought it would be an acceptable way to diminish me in this forum.

    Also, lisab is a dummy when it comes to what happened with the helicopter flight. Trump cancelled because he didn’t want to get his hair wet.

    The ceilings that day 2500 feet or higher. I checked. That’s well above the normal altitude Marine One flies. And oh by the way, every single pilot who flies one of those helicopters is instrument rated meaning they can fly in low visibility conditions. Trump just didn’t want to go because he’s a giant baby who was fussy that day.

    But lisab, who claims not to be a Trump voter or reflexive Trump supporter, continues to support and defend Trump on every issue.

  82. GF says:

    WRT the Vietnamese refugee/immigrant criminals and deportation, there is a simple solution; throw them out, and let the families (provided they are innocent) stay. Problem solved, promises kept.

    I am all for providing a sanctuary from terror and despotism, but if the beneficiaries of such generosity turn around and bite the hand that feeds them, they deserve no more compassion. Since our emasculated public doesn’t have the stomach to eliminate violent criminals in a manner befitting their misdeeds, I am all in favor of sending them to places that have no problem disposing of human garbage in the way with which it should be dealt. In this case, if the government in Vietnamese is perfectly willing to dispatch these criminals, all the better; I’ll be damned if I’m going to support them in Club Fed via my taxes.

  83. NYCmike says:

    GF,

    Sounds like a sensible solution.

    “CG” will agree……when someone else is President.

  84. NYCmike says:

    In regard to Robbie being gay and lisab:

    Claiming vs thinking

    These are different things.

    lisab THOUGHT he was gay, and stated so.

    She did NOT CLAIM he was gay.

    For some reason, both “CG” and Robbie look at that as a negative personality trait.

  85. Tina says:

    Fuhrer Mulehead, the judge wants the 1/17 302. Where is it?

    You know the 302s from Pete and the other agent?

  86. Tina says:

    Where is the 302 from 1/17?

    Why did Comedy, McCabe testify that Flynn did not lie?

    Why didn’t Fuhrer Mulehead interview the 2nd agent who took notes?

    Did Clinton Foundation Rhee or unWeissman or Fuhrer destroy the 302.

  87. Tina says:

    Stunning! The SC used the following to justify the “Flynn lied” to the FBI narrative:
    1) statements to the media – the same media that privileged information was leaked to;
    2) statements to the Vice President, and;
    3) statements to the Presidential Transition Team.
    If lies to the media and coworkers are criminal the swamp will rain itself!! Seeing how our government exercises it’s law enforcement functions is disheartening to say the least.

    Omg….

  88. Tina says:

    fender #ReinstateRobynGritz
    @vabelle2010
    Replying to @johncardillo
    According to the FBI’s DIOG: For the purposes of Miranda, an interview refers to express questioning and any words or actions that are reasonably likely to elicit an incriminating response (regardless of custodial status).

    And no required Miranda.

  89. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??????
    Jack Posobiec
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    10m
    Did You Know:

    In the Enron case the FBI Task Force led by Andrew Weissman “apparently destroyed original 302s and drafts of the composite”

    Who does Weissman work for today?

    Robert Mueller

    Did you know?

  90. lisab says:

    But lisab, who claims not to be a Trump voter or reflexive Trump supporter, continues to support and defend Trump on every issue.
    ———————————

    not sure why it is your business, but i was a dr. stein voter

    but as bitterlaw says, one can not be a trump voter

    AND

    still think you are a lying piece of sh!T

    both can be true 🙂

  91. lisab says:

    lisab THOUGHT he was gay, and stated so.
    —————————————

    actually i said their were gay rumours about him, which is factual

    and

    i specifically said he is married

  92. lisab says:

    Never forget lisab claimed I was gay

    ———————-

    yes, i thought you were gay

    i now think you are an incel

  93. NYCmike says:

    “lisab THOUGHT he was gay, and stated so.”

    -This line was in regard to Robbie, not Rubio.

  94. Messy says:

    18.The fall of Saigon was almost 44 years ago. Almost all the refugees have green cards or are citizens and their children are natural born citizens.

    How can you deport them?

    87. The FBI called up Flynn and told him that it might be a good idea to have a lawyer present. He said that he didn’t need one and invited the agents over.

    Therefore he was warned prior to the interview.

  95. lisab says:

    -This line was in regard to Robbie, not Rubio.

    —————

    yes, i realized my mistake later …

    i don’t think anyone that perpetually angry could get a bf

  96. Tgca says:

    WHAT!!!

    OMG! Robbie came out as gay? I was wondering when he was gonna fling open that closet door, especially after he was soliciting some guys here to blow him a few times. I thought that was a little much myself but if he’s got the goods…

    HHR is becoming quite the place to be for Republicans coming out these days. I wonder if Lyndsay Graham will come out on HHR.

    LisaB always has the latest news on gay happenings. Dont forget…she broke the story on Rubio’s foam parties.

  97. Tina says:

    Did you like Mika’s Scarface descriptive term for you people, tgca?

  98. Tina says:

    Btw, those veggie burgers ain’t bad.

    Ain’t great but ain’t bad,

  99. Tgca says:

    Mika dissed me? How so?

  100. Tgca says:

    Ciento!

  101. Tgca says:

    What veggie burgers did you eat?

  102. GF says:

    94- Please tell me that is a joke; a Green Card holder can easily be deported.

  103. Tina says:

    Those behind meat that you recommended, I believe that is the brand.

    Mika here

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/msnbc-s-mika-brzezinski-apologizes-crass-offensive-remark-n947836

  104. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    96. “OMG! Robbie came out as gay? I was wondering when he was gonna fling open that closet door, especially after he was soliciting some guys here to blow him a few times.”

    This is too horrible to think about. That closet door needs to be nailed shut, and booby trapped.

  105. Tina says:

    Beyond meat*

  106. Tina says:

    If Marv is out there, I think the missing 302 (1/17) is lost like Harry Reid’s papers from the 2010 debate.

  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    91. “actually i said their were gay rumours about him, which is factual and i specifically said he is married”

    Can attest to what lisab said. Her Rubio gay rumors were larger done in comments we exchanging in 2016. A lot of it was humorous bantering. I was the one who pointed out he married a cheerleader, and had been a college football player. Saying that, it is not unusual for young males to explore their sexuality, so if Rubio was at a predominantly gay foam party, it is no big deal. He now is a dedicated family man and devoted father.

  108. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    98. “Btw, those veggie burgers ain’t bad. Ain’t great but ain’t bad,”

    barf!

  109. lisab says:

    she broke the story on Rubio’s foam parties.
    ———————–

    jimmy fallon actually

  110. lisab says:

    I was the one who pointed out he married a cheerleader …
    —————-

    and you know cheerleaders …

  111. lisab says:

    now that corey knows that marine one is in fact flown by the marines …

    who is going to tell him the london underground is not a secret anti-trump political movement in the uk?

  112. lisab says:

    12 Days Of Trump, A Christmas Song For Americans In 2018

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=243&v=t1lXtZ16E5k

  113. lisab says:

    uh oh

    Page/Strzok’s cell phones were “accidentally” reset and wiped clean by Mueller.

  114. lisab says:

    hawaiian judge rules obumblercare constitutional

    says texas judge is a weenie

  115. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    110. “I was the one who pointed out he married a cheerleader … and you know cheerleaders …”

    Not sure your right. I remember pointing it out in response to your repeating the scurrilous rumors Rubio might be gay, because of the purported picture he was at a foam party, and was caught drinking beer in a neighborhood park frequented by gays.

  116. Tina says:

    Yup, Fuhrer Mulehead wiped the phones and lost the 302 in the Flynn matter.

    You know destroyed evidence and obstructed.

  117. lisab says:

    Not sure your right.
    ———————-

    i just was quoting you, not disputing you

    i had no idea his wife was a cheerleader until you told me

  118. Tina says:

    When will the jebots arrive here to defend Onumnkercare?

  119. Cash Cow TM says:

    “TRUMP NAMES MULVANEY ‘ACTING’ CHIEF OF STAFF…”
    ######################################
    I say Mulvaney will not last past March.

  120. lisab says:

    cash cow,

    not to be pedantic, but isn’t that what “acting” means

    he will be replaced in january or february most likely

  121. lisab says:

    When will the jebots arrive here to defend Onumnkercare?

    ———————————–

    i don’t see how this can stand

    NOT that i support obamacare, i am a lockean

    but the dems are NEVER going to let this stand

    they would support a wall first

  122. Tina says:

    Pete the Cheat indicates that Flynn was bright, but not sophisticated.

    Must be because Flynn shops at Walmart.

    Remember, Pete the cheat says you can smell the trump voters at Walmart.

  123. sandiegocitizen says:

    122. Who or what is Onumnkercare? I don’t know what an Onumnker is. Should I care?

  124. Paul says:

    So lisab, from a Lockean viewpoint, what do you think of the yellow jacket protests?

  125. Tina says:

    ted
    Latino Conservative (Woke)?
    Latino Conservative (Woke)
    @FoKuZ5
    ·
    12m
    Replying to
    @mitchellvii
    Iran Deal – DEAD
    Paris Deal – DEAD
    ObamaCare – DEAD
    Cap and Trade – DEAD

    Obama’s Legacy – DEAD

    Forgot

    Obama Regs. Eliminated, school lunch program ended,

  126. Paul says:

    More to run over Trump with in 2020.

  127. Tina says:

    The FBI released for the first time Friday night a two-page summary former FBI Director James Comey used to brief President-elect Donald Trump nearly two years ago on a so-called dossier about Trump’s ties to Russia.

    The version made public Friday could reignite previous criticism from Republicans and Trump allies that the FBI was too vague in its description of the fact that the dossier was funded by the campaign of Trump’s nemesis in the 2016 presidential election, Democratic nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton, as well as the Democratic National Committee.

    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/12/14/russia-dossier-fbi-trump-obama-1066643?__twitter_impression=true

  128. Robbie says:

    Yet another reason why I am looking forward to Trump’s defeat in 2020. What a scumbag. Because the weekly Standard didn’t lick his balls like so many other sellouts in the “conservative” movement, he celebrates that the magazine folded.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    The pathetic and dishonest Weekly Standard, run by failed prognosticator Bill Kristol (who, like many others, never had a clue), is flat broke and out of business. Too bad. May it rest in peace!

  129. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 14, 2018 at 6:57 pm
    lisab THOUGHT he was gay, and stated so.
    —————————————
    actually i said their were gay rumours about him, which is factual
    and
    i specifically said he is married

    – You’ve suggested just about every candidate you didn’t like was gay. It’s your modus operandi. Trying to claim otherwise just shows what an amazing liar you are.

  130. lisab says:

    So lisab, from a Lockean viewpoint, what do you think of the yellow jacket protests?
    —————————————–

    locke would say that if the government stops listening to the people you will have increasingly violent protests, and even revolution.

    which is why he saw elections as a way for the people to keep society calm. clearly the people did not think macron is listening to them.

    however, i do not know how france organizes its governmental elections.

  131. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 14, 2018 at 8:29 pm
    96. “OMG! Robbie came out as gay? I was wondering when he was gonna fling open that closet door, especially after he was soliciting some guys here to blow him a few times.”
    This is too horrible to think about. That closet door needs to be nailed shut, and booby trapped.

    – What’s to horrible to think about is your belief that Rasmussen was a credible poll.

  132. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 14, 2018 at 9:18 pm
    110. “I was the one who pointed out he married a cheerleader … and you know cheerleaders …”
    Not sure your right. I remember pointing it out in response to your repeating the scurrilous rumors Rubio might be gay, because of the purported picture he was at a foam party, and was caught drinking beer in a neighborhood park frequented by gays.

    – Whenever lisab doesn’t like a candidate, you floats the idea that candidate is gay.

    She’s as scummy as Trump is. they deserve each other.

  133. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 14, 2018 at 9:53 pm
    When will the jebots arrive here to defend Onumnkercare?

    – What’s your response going to be when the 5th circuit court of appeals overturns this ruling? Wil you vent and rage like your hero Individual 1 and claim some moronic conspiracy like you do on every other issue?

  134. Robbie says:

    Cash Cow TM says:
    December 14, 2018 at 11:05 pm
    “TRUMP NAMES MULVANEY ‘ACTING’ CHIEF OF STAFF…”
    ######################################
    I say Mulvaney will not last past March.

    – He is specifically keeping his title as OMB director so he can leave and go back to that job. He already has his escape hatch plan hatched. Smart of him. He’s probably one of the only decent people who surround Trump.

  135. lisab says:

    not true robbie,

    and in any case,

    i would not care if a candidate was gay.

  136. lisab says:

    although i do think robbie is correct about the ruling

    i cannot see how it is allowed to stand

    the dems will “go to the mattresses” on this one

  137. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    not true robbie,
    and in any case,
    i would not care if a candidate was gay.

    – Baloney. Every time you don’t like a candidate, you suggest there are “rumors” that candidate is gay. Nice try.

  138. lisab says:

    the rumours about rubio were not a secret rbbie

  139. lisab says:

    NPR wrote this! … when you have lost NPR, you are in trouble
    —————

    No Smocking Gun…No Collusion.” @FoxNews That’s because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution,…
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 10, 2018

    There’s an important kernel of truth in that argument — not only is there no smoking gun, the Russia case appears to have been weakening, not strengthening, while America’s eyes have been on the payments. — npr

  140. lisab says:

    speaking of yellow vests
    ————————–

    British yellow vest protesters demanding ‘true Brexit’ plan ‘day of action’ in London

    (but the protests were not nearly so big as paris, just a few as far as i can tell)https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/748355/yellow-vest-protests-london-westminster-parliament-saturday-facebook-france

  141. Phil says:

    Given the fact that Lisa supported gay marriage on this forum waaay before it was even legalized in Massachusetts, that’s a pretty good indicator that she absolutely does NOT care if a candidate is gay. It’s totally NOT “baloney”, Robbie.

  142. lisab says:

    i support “gay marriage”,

    or marriage as we call it,

    because they are human beings and free citizens of the united states

  143. lisab says:

    also, for the record, i don’t have any strong feelings about rubio

    or really any of the 2016 candidates

    except hillary … i did not/do not like hillary at all. i think she is corrupt

    as far as 2020 is concerned, i do not like hillary or warren. warren because of her native american claims to get ahead

  144. 143. “– Whenever lisab doesn’t like a candidate, you floats the idea that candidate is gay.”

    That is totally false Robbie. Lisab were bantering about the issue in 2016, often in a humorous manner. Lisab is very knowledgeable about the gay community, and not in way prejudiced against it.

    A lot of people believe the Bush campaign was behind the scurrilous attacks against Rubio, including people who worked in the Rubio campaign.

  145. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Correction to 146. “Lisab and I were bantering.”

  146. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “143. “– Whenever lisab doesn’t like a candidate, you floats the idea that candidate is gay.”

    What other candidate, other than Rubio, has lisab floated the idea was gay?

  147. Tina says:

    It took half a day for the Jebot to pimp obumblercare,

    Who would have thunk it?

  148. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5h
    Wow, 19,000 Texts between Lisa Page and her lover, Peter S of the FBI, in charge of the Russia Hoax, were just reported as being wiped clean and gone. Such a big story that will never be covered by the Fake News. Witch Hunt!

    Fuhrer Mukehead at work.

  149. Paul says:

    I have to give Donald Trump praise for going out in the rain today to lay wreaths.

    He must have heard CG and Robbie. That is some serious trolling by our President.

  150. Messy says:

    135. the ruling didn’t mention which part of the constitution was violated, and as to the rest of it, judges cannot declare a law both constitutional and invalid at the same time.

    As to Obamacare, let me quote a friend:

    I don’t know what generates this irrational anger in the guts of republicans when they see people getting “free” healthcare. Do they feel the same way when people get a “free” visit from the fire department OT police when they call 911? I suspect that they might.

  151. Wes says:

    Wouldn’t an unconstitutional law by definition be invalid?

  152. lisab says:

    I don’t know what generates this irrational anger in the guts of republicans when they see people getting “free” healthcare
    —————————————-

    well that would be because working people have to pay a lot so that others get “free” health care

    and they have to face huge deductibles, while the welfare recipients get to go to the same doctors for free with no decductibles

    now if the non-working people got free treatment at health clinics and teaching hospitals by physician assistants and residents, i don’t think they would mind as much

  153. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren admits she’s not ‘a person of color’ during commencement speech

  154. Wes says:

    Don’t confuse Messy the Moron with facts, Lisa.

  155. Bitterlaw says:

    I am going for my first colonoscopy in a few weeks. While I am not thrilled at the thought of it, I am comforted by knowing that during the procedure I will not be tempted or able to read Corey and Robbie’s Trump bashing or Tina and NYC’s Trump cheerleading. Hopefully, I will dream of something peaceful like jason and his llamas.

  156. lisab says:

    biden/beto team may run in 2020

  157. GF says:

    “A lot of people believe the Bush campaign was behind the scurrilous attacks against Rubio, including people who worked in the Rubio campaign.“
    ***********************************************************************

    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least, but after what they did to McCain in South Carolina. That crew rally can’t expire fast enough, can they? Good riddance to all of them.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    I will admit that I was opposed to gay marriage. I supported civil unions that gave gay couples all of the rights of marriage but not the word “marriage.” To me, using the word marriage was like passing a law that called a cat a dog. However, I was wrong. People are people and the law had no ill effects. The country survived.

  159. lisab says:

    “Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the path of destruction.” barack obama

  160. lisab says:

    “In almost every profession – whether it’s law or journalism, finance or medicine or academia or running a small business – people rely on confidential communications to do their jobs. We count on the space of trust that confidentiality provides. When someone breaches that trust, we are all worse off for it.” hillary clinton

  161. lisab says:

    “As usurpation is the exercise of power, which another hath a right to; so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which no body can have a right to. And this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who are under it, but for his own private separate advantage. When the governor, however intitled, makes not the law, but his will, the rule; and his commands and actions are not directed to the preservation of the properties of his people, but the satisfaction of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular passion.”
    ? John Locke, Second Treatise of Government

  162. lisab says:

    Aussie transgender athlete banned from women’s league | 60 Minutes Girl power

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=P0XlP2Bbei8

  163. Messy says:

    153. Only the unconstitutional parts.

  164. lisab says:

    245 years ago, the Boston Tea Party occurred on December 16, 1773.

  165. lisab says:

    UK arrests man for possession of three butter knives in a picnic basket.

  166. lisab says:

    Lessons of Maria Butina: Are men too easily flattered by young women to be trusted with power?

    Should men be allowed to have power at all? Latest scandals in TrumpWorld suggest they simply can’t be trusted

    Ovverall, the various scandals involving Donald Trump, his associates and Russian agents tend not to bring to mind sexy spy thrillers so much as screwy comedy. One theme, however, would fit just as comfortably in classic film noir as in absurdist comedy: Powerful, aging men brought low by their own pathetic desire to believe comely young women are really into them.

    While there’s no telling what special prosecutor Robert Mueller — or any of the other federal investigators pulling various strings in TrumpWorld — might eventually discover, much of what’s coming out right now is a direct consequence of this male peccadillo, nurtured into being by a world that offers undue flattery to powerful and wealthy men so often that they start to buy it.

    Trump is personally under suspicion for a large number of crimes, but the one that’s come most clearly into focus in the past month involves his role in paying off women to stay silent about their past sexual encounters with him. His former lawyer, Michael Cohen, has pled guilty to his role in this and has publicly insisted that Trump knew exactly what they were doing. Now it appears that David Pecker, CEO of the company behind the National Enquirer — which helped pay off Trump’s alleged mistresses — also seems to be cooperating with authorities….

    The moral of this story should be obvious: The patriarchy is a threat to national security. There are all sorts of moral reasons why it’s wrong that our society treats aging women like old hags and flatters men with lies about how they’re like fine wines. But this is about more than lofty philosophical arguments about gender justice. This is about the immediate and hopefully obvious dangers of giving so much power over to a group of people who are ready to hand over the car keys and the deed to the farmhouse the second a young lady makes goo-goo eyes at them.

    Not all men are idiots, of course. It’s hard to imagine, for instance, Barack Obama being brought low because a 25-year-old woman flirted with him. Still, we cannot escape the conclusion that we need to find another gender to take the reins of power, perhaps one whose aging members are not flattered and told their sexual appeal to 20somethings remains unchanged with time. It’s time, in other words, to let women take over.