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Biden Leads Democrats in IA and Nationally By Double Digits

We have the first poll for the Iowa Democratic Caucus for 2020 from the partnership of CNN and The Des Moines Register that shows Joe Biden with a double-digit lead over second place Bernie Sanders.

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (CNN/DMR)
Joe Biden 32%
Bernie Sanders 19%
Beto O’Rourke 11%
Elizabeth Warren 8%
Kamala Harris 5%
Cory Booker 4%
Michael Bloomberg 3%
Amy Klobuchar 3%
Sherrod Brown 1%
John Hickenlooper 1%
Julián Castro 1%
John Delaney 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 0%
Eric Holder 0%
Jay Inslee 0%
Tom Steyer 0%
Eric Swalwell 0%
Andrew Yang 0%
Steve Bullock 0%
Eric Garcetti 0%

This poll was done December 10-13 among 455 likely caucus voters. CNN also released a national primary poll on Friday that showed the same three candidates in the top three nationally.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (CNN)
Joe Biden 30%
Bernie Sanders 14%
Beto O’Rourke 9%
Cory Booker 5%
Kamala Harris 4%
John Kerry 4%
Elizabeth Warren 3%
Michael Bloomberg 3%
Amy Klobuchar 3%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Eric Holder 1%
Steve Bullock 1%
Sherrod Brown 1%
Jay Inslee 1%
Terry McAuliffe 1%
Eric Garcetti <1%
John Hickenlooper <1%
Julián Castro <1%
John Delaney 0%
Tom Steyer 0%

This poll was done December 6-9 among likely Democratic primary voters. Weird they included the 2004 loser John Kerry in the national poll, but not in their Iowa poll.

Posted by Dave at 8:47 am
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112 Responses to “Biden Leads Democrats in IA and Nationally By Double Digits”

  1. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    41m
    All the crocodile tears for Weakly Substandard ignore the fact that Broken Kristol & his mgt lackeys saw this coming for months and waited until Christmas to lay people off.

    That’s “compassionate conservatism” for ya.

    But muh principles

  2. Tina says:

    These polls are irrelevant,

    They do not have Hillary included.

    -jebot

  3. Tina says:

    I am not a person of color.

    -Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren

  4. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    29m
    So where are all the missing Text messages between fired FBI agents Peter S and the lovely Lisa Page, his lover. Just reported that they have been erased and wiped clean. What an outrage as the totally compromised and conflicted Witch Hunt moves ever so slowly forward. Want them!

    Check with the NSA.

  5. Tina says:

    Rudy Giuliani
    Rudy Giuliani
    @RudyGiuliani
    ·
    22h
    Mueller’s Record Officer erased over 19,000 Stroyk Page texts after it was revealed he was asked to leave for texts showing that Stroyk had a plan(an insurance policy) to remove the President from office. They say DOJ policy but that policy does not cover destruction of evidence.

    Ok, so maybe Fuhrer did destroy evidence.

  6. Wes says:

    GF says:
    December 16, 2018 at 7:25 am
    “A lot of people believe the Bush campaign was behind the scurrilous attacks against Rubio, including people who worked in the Rubio campaign.“
    ***********************************************************************

    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least, but after what they did to McCain in South Carolina. That crew rally can’t expire fast enough, can they? Good riddance to all of them.

    Wait, wait, wait, GF. The Bush sycophants on here have told me two stories on this:

    1) It didn’t happen.

    2) GWB had nothing to do with the sleazy attacks on McCain’s daughter.
    The truth is that it did happen, and GWB was literally the only person in the world in a position to benefit from such gutter politics. There’s literally no depraved level the Bushes wouldn’t sink to, nor is there any action of theirs their sycophants won’t defend, rationalize, or try to ignore.

  7. Big Joe says:

    That’s a lot of candidates. Luckily, most are at 0%, ,<1%, or 1%.

    Big Joe

  8. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    13m
    If The Weekly Standard had won the argument, our country today would look exactly the same as if Hillary Clinton had won the argument.

    Ahoy.

  9. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cash Cow is tied with Eri Holder in the race for the Dem. nomination for 2020.

  10. lisab says:

    245 years ago, the Boston Tea Party occurred on December 16, 1773.

  11. lisab says:

    Lessons of Maria Butina: Are men too easily flattered by young women to be trusted with power?

    Should men be allowed to have power at all? Latest scandals in TrumpWorld suggest they simply can’t be trusted

    Ovverall, the various scandals involving Donald Trump, his associates and Russian agents tend not to bring to mind sexy spy thrillers so much as screwy comedy. One theme, however, would fit just as comfortably in classic film noir as in absurdist comedy: Powerful, aging men brought low by their own pathetic desire to believe comely young women are really into them.

    While there’s no telling what special prosecutor Robert Mueller — or any of the other federal investigators pulling various strings in TrumpWorld — might eventually discover, much of what’s coming out right now is a direct consequence of this male peccadillo, nurtured into being by a world that offers undue flattery to powerful and wealthy men so often that they start to buy it.

    Trump is personally under suspicion for a large number of crimes, but the one that’s come most clearly into focus in the past month involves his role in paying off women to stay silent about their past sexual encounters with him. His former lawyer, Michael Cohen, has pled guilty to his role in this and has publicly insisted that Trump knew exactly what they were doing. Now it appears that David Pecker, CEO of the company behind the National Enquirer — which helped pay off Trump’s alleged mistresses — also seems to be cooperating with authorities….

    The moral of this story should be obvious: The patriarchy is a threat to national security. There are all sorts of moral reasons why it’s wrong that our society treats aging women like old hags and flatters men with lies about how they’re like fine wines. But this is about more than lofty philosophical arguments about gender justice. This is about the immediate and hopefully obvious dangers of giving so much power over to a group of people who are ready to hand over the car keys and the deed to the farmhouse the second a young lady makes goo-goo eyes at them.

    Not all men are idiots, of course. It’s hard to imagine, for instance, Barack Obama being brought low because a 25-year-old woman flirted with him. Still, we cannot escape the conclusion that we need to find another gender to take the reins of power, perhaps one whose aging members are not flattered and told their sexual appeal to 20somethings remains unchanged with time. It’s time, in other words, to let women take over.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    10. Watch out, Walt. I am researching whether the Statute of Limitations has expired.

  13. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    6. GF says: December 16, 2018 at 7:25 am
    “A lot of people believe the Bush campaign was behind the scurrilous attacks against Rubio, including people who worked in the Rubio campaign.“

    Some close to Romney have some stories about the tactics of the Bush campaign in 2016 as well. By trying to clear the field of any competitor for Bush, they appeared to have opened the road to the nomination for Trump.

  14. mnw says:

    Wuz at a Xmas party in IL. Big crowd.

    Told a woman I know (a friendly acquaintance) that I vote in MO. She said, “That’s good! We need you more over there!”

    The backstory: She is a wittle wiberal DEM who assumed* that I must be one too, & that my vote was needed out in the land of the Show Me State conservative heathen, see?

    *WRONGLY! Buh-bye, Claire!

  15. Bitterlaw says:

    Patriots are 9-5. Dallas gets shutout. Eagles win as 14 point underdogs. Good Sunday.

  16. Bitterlaw says:

    Hello?

  17. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Powerful, aging men brought low by their own pathetic desire to believe comely young women are really into them.”
    —————————–
    Bitterlaw says:
    December 16, 2018 at 8:20 pm
    10. Watch out, Walt. I am researching whether the Statute of Limitations has expired.
    ###################
    Walt said the quote above Bitter’s comment hit especially hard.

  18. Wes says:

    Lamar Alexander will retire in 2020. Solid R Hold.

  19. lisab says:

    bitterlaw,

    just pretend there are 37 posts from corey/robbie trashing trump

  20. lisab says:

    British Army Ditches ‘Gender Specific’ Titles Like Rifleman

    The British Army is to scrap role titles like “rifleman” and “infantryman” for the more gender-neutral “infantry soldier” and “infanteer”.
    —————–

    is “infant-eer” really a good name to inspire fear into your foes?

    the potsdam giants
    the immortals
    viking berserters
    royal gurkhas
    janissaries
    mongol horde

    the infants?

  21. lisab says:

    the infants are coming! the infants are coming!

  22. Barrett says:

    Why not just call them the Jutes? The Jutes were brutal and invaded mainland Britan in the 4th century.

  23. CG says:

    How about those Bears?

  24. Tina says:

    Daily Caller Opinion
    @TheDC_Opinion
    Mueller’s team lost a crucial cell phone — and it turned up with its contents erased.

    Via @SidneyPowell1

    Did Fuhrer Mulehead learn this behavior from Her Thighness?

  25. Waingro says:


    Bitterlaw says:
    December 17, 2018 at 7:08 am

    Patriots are 9-5. Dallas gets shutout. Eagles win as 14 point underdogs. Good Sunday.”

    As a frustrated Pats fan, I wish I had a great snarky response, but unfortunately, I now have to root for your Eagles to beat the Texans this week!

  26. Robbie says:

    But muh trade war. I was assured the tariff man had all of the answers.

    CNBC Now
    @CNBCnow

    S&P 500 breaches 2018 intraday low, index now down more than 5% for the year https://cnb.cx/2QUIP5B

  27. lisab says:

    Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners

    school children will be taught that “all genders” can have periods in new sex education lessons, in a victory for transgender rights campaigners.

    The advice to teachers was approved by Brighton & Hove City Council as they try to tackle stigma around menstruation.

    The new advice follows a council report which said: “Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods”, adding that “menstruation must be inclusive of all genders”.

    Bins used for menstruation products will be provided in all toilets for children, according to the report.

  28. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 16, 2018 at 10:12 pm
    Some close to Romney have some stories about the tactics of the Bush campaign in 2016 as well. By trying to clear the field of any competitor for Bush, they appeared to have opened the road to the nomination for Trump.

    – LOL. Right from the start, the “real conservatives” and plenty of Republicans opposed Jeb Bush’s campaign. If Bush’s tactics of clearing the field were so successful, why did 16 other people run? The only people I can think of who chose not to run were John Bolton (LOL) and Rick Synder. Give me a break. This nonsense that Jeb is the reason we got Trump is just sour grapes pushed by a bunch Rubio-bots who have a serious case of butthurt like Jason fraud.

  29. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    23. “How about those Bears?”

    There are doing quite well. Had a friend in Wyoming recently come across a grizzly bear while hiking. He did the sensible thing, turned around and headed in the other direction as quickly as possible. Often Easterners, who have watched too many Bambi movies, try and get close and friendly with grizzly bears. They contribute to the bears conservation by providing a food source.

  30. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    27, How insane can this get. Notice again that Robbie makes referent to same sex activity in his latest post. Tgca may be right.

  31. Robbie says:

    I know the Trumpaloos reject any view that Individual 1 is in a weak and weakening position, but it’s true. Individual 1 has been a wildly unpopular president outside the red hat brigade loyalists and his job approval rating signaled long in advance Republicans were headed for a 2018 disaster in the House. Sorry Trumpaloos, but your boy can’t win a presidential election with just 40% of the country. He’ll need Independents and moderates and they hate him.

    And since the 2018 elections, things have only gotten worse for Individual 1. Cracks are beginning to form with Republicans in Congress. Individual 1 can’t even get his stupid wall funding to pass in the waning days of the Republican Congress because not all of the 240 House Republicans who are still there actually support it.

    Just as bad, everyone and everything around Individual 1 is under investigation. Cohen, Flynn, and other have plead guilty and, now, the campaign, the inaugural committee, the Trump Organization, and the Trump Foundation are all under investigation.

    And not surprisingly, the polls are beginning to show the weight of scandal after scandal is starting to take a toll on Individual 1. His approval rating in the RCP average has slipped since election day and now polls in Iowa show about two thirds would welcome a primary challenger to Trump.

    Unfortunately, Individual 1 is still the most likely Republican nominee in 2020, but that’s only because the base of the party is stupid. I’d like to think a bad loss in 2020 will teach the Trumpaloss and the Tea Party idiots a lesson, but I’m sure the dolts will just another idiot take Individual 1’s place.

  32. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:07 pm
    27, How insane can this get. Notice again that Robbie makes referent to same sex activity in his latest post. Tgca may be right.

    – Guy who thought Rasmussen was a credible poll has some thoughts.

  33. CG says:

    Is “butthurt” a term that is considered part and parcel with “same sex activity” as SDC claims?

  34. CG says:

    Da Bears of Chicago are doing even better than the grizzlies in Wyoming.

  35. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:17 pm
    Is “butthurt” a term that is considered part and parcel with “same sex activity” as SDC claims?

    – They’ve run out of ways to defend Individual 1, so they’re aiming their fire at those who dare stand in Individual 1’s way.

    I’d probably try and deflect as well if I had spent more than a year singing the praises of Rasmussen only to see it fail so laughably badly.

    Fake pollster Rasmussen predicted Republicans would win the generic ballot vote by 1 point. Democrats won by 9 points. What’s being off by 10 points nationally among friends, right?

  36. CG says:

    With each passing day, Individual 1 becomes more and more unhinged.

    It is understandable why this is so difficult for those who feel they have to defend him at every turn or those who realize those days may be coming to an end but are reluctant to admit any culpability in the damage he has done.

  37. Barrett says:

    Robbie, I have to disagree with you on most counts in #31. At this point the FBI is a joke. Comey helped make sure of that.

    The trust that the American People have put into the FBI over the last century has been taken for granted at an increasing rate. Ask yourself why Mueller has taken 19 months on his investigation and still continues to hold out. Aside from Manafort, Gates, and a few others, he’s uncovered very little, yet “THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!”

    The FBI is just like every other over-reaching executive institution – polarized and corrupt in some manner.

    However, I do agree that if Trump loses, he base of his most loyal supporters will not learn any lessons from any of Trumps shortcomings. The Tea Party will forever remain a small (but ignorant and powerful) faction of the Republican party.

  38. CG says:

    I’ve seriously never considered the term “butthurt” to have sexual connotations, as SDC seems to be claiming. It’s a relatively new term in popular culture but I associated with “pain in the ass” or “you got your butt kicked”, etc. Why would those into “same sex activity” as the claim went here, want to “hurt?”

    Is there something I am missing here? And no, don’t be snarky.

  39. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    With each passing day, Individual 1 becomes more and more unhinged.
    It is understandable why this is so difficult for those who feel they have to defend him at every turn or those who realize those days may be coming to an end but are reluctant to admit any culpability in the damage he has done.

    – Whether Trump leaves office early (doubtful) or loses badly in 2020 (likely), the day after all of those who defended him will offer up some sort of blather like “I knew he was bad, but I felt I had to support the party” or “But Gorsuch and Kavanaugh”.

    The problem with Faustian bargains is they always end up with long-tern unintended consequences. Jason fraud and the rest refuse to acknowledge that.

  40. CG says:

    Mueller has made tremendous progress in regards to convictions, etc, It appears he has quite a case that continues to unfold.

    Ken Starr took far, far longer and those of us on the right never complained about that. He was doing important work too.

  41. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Comedy refuses to indicate yes or no as to whether he leaked classified documents.

    Nevertheless, he took Federak records,

    He went completely unhinged after his 2nd interview.

  42. Tina says:

    Poor Renata Macaroni:

    Alan Dershowitz
    Alan Dershowitz
    @AlanDersh
    ·
    2h
    Shame on
    @renato_mariotti
    for deliberately distorting my point. I said that lying to the FBI is not a crime unless the lie is material. That is the law. Does Mariotti disagree? Or does he want to change the law and apply it ex post facto to Flynn?
    Quote Tweet
    Renato Mariotti
    @renato_mariotti
    Replying to @Popehat and @AlanDersh
    Like many of Dershowitz’s recent statements, this appears to be a deliberate effort to mislead the public.
    392
    434
    1.2K

  43. CG says:

    It’s hard to argue that Mueller should have been expected to “wrap this thing up” when with each passing week, it seems as if another Trump associate has flipped and Trump and has stories to tell that can be corroborated by other evidence.

    Obviously, Mueller is focused on making a criminal case against DJT. Nobody can deny that and when the report is released, the evidence presented is going to be beyond extensive. Considering the stakes, etc, you want as many witnesses and statements as possible.

    Ultimately, it will be up to the American people to decide whether or not they care if their President is a crook. I know that under Clinton, many did not, unfortunately.

  44. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    Robbie, I have to disagree with you on most counts in #31. At this point the FBI is a joke. Comey helped make sure of that.
    The trust that the American People have put into the FBI over the last century has been taken for granted at an increasing rate. Ask yourself why Mueller has taken 19 months on his investigation and still continues to hold out. Aside from Manafort, Gates, and a few others, he’s uncovered very little, yet “THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!”
    The FBI is just like every other over-reaching executive institution – polarized and corrupt in some manner.
    However, I do agree that if Trump loses, he base of his most loyal supporters will not learn any lessons from any of Trumps shortcomings. The Tea Party will forever remain a small (but ignorant and powerful) faction of the Republican party.

    – That anti-FBI argument is one that tickles the erogenous zones of FoxNews viewers and populist troll mnw, but it doesn’t carry any weight with the rest of the country.

    Match the standing of the FBI against the standing of Trump and I’m quite certain the FBI would win in a landslide.

  45. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:27 pm
    I’ve seriously never considered the term “butthurt” to have sexual connotations, as SDC seems to be claiming. It’s a relatively new term in popular culture but I associated with “pain in the ass” or “you got your butt kicked”, etc. Why would those into “same sex activity” as the claim went here, want to “hurt?”
    Is there something I am missing here? And no, don’t be snarky.

    – It’s all about deflection. Nothing more.

  46. CG says:

    I think political attacks on both the FBI and ICE/Border Patrol, done simply to advance a personal agenda, are very distasteful.

  47. Tina says:

    Renata should be aware that they illegally had Flynn’s transcript.

    Notice, immediately after the fib interview, nobody claims he lied. Even sjw Yates makes no claim of lying. She touts the Logan Act and is upset that Comedy and McCabe sent the two agents, in direct violation of Fib rules.

  48. Robbie says:

    Hey, Tinfoil? Remember when you said the Mueller investigation would be over by Thanksgiving 2017?

    Remember when you said the Nunes memo would force the Mueller investigation to be shutdown?

    Remember when you said in March 2017 there was no way Michael Flynn would cooperate with Mueller?

  49. CG says:

    I learned today there is precedent for a sitting President being arrested.

    Apparently, Ulysses S. Grant, as President, was taken into custody for riding his horse too fast in Washington, D.C.

  50. Tina says:

    Alan Dershowitz
    Alan Dershowitz
    @AlanDersh
    ·
    1h
    When the FBI already has a recording of a meeting, and asks whether that meeting occurred, a false answer is not material to the investigation. The only reason to ask that question is to test the witness, not to learn information. Morality tests are not the proper role of the FBI

  51. lisab says:

    I’ve seriously never considered the term “butthurt” to have sexual connotations
    ———————

    how about …

    Robbie says:
    mnw says:
    September 28, 2018 at 4:44 pm
    There are TWO braying fools above. My post was directed at Obamacon, but then Vicheytroll showed up, as always.

    – Trump’s ball licking populist troll is here to set everyone straight.

  52. CG says:

    What kind of “ball?”

    I can envision Trump fans literally licking basketballs. I am pretty sure Eric has done it.

  53. lisab says:

    and corey shows his true character

  54. Robbie says:

    If Trump gets a primary challenger, how quickly will lisab say that the rumor is that candidate is gay? She claimed just about every challenger not named Trump in 2016 was gay.

  55. Tina says:

    So, did Flynn lie and was it material?

    Two fib agents, including Pete the cheat admit he did not. McCabe also provides testimony to Ig that he did not,

    Did agent Pientka provide a 7/17 302, like Pete the Cheat?

    Why did Pete the Cheat provide a 7/17 302, days after he was fired from Fuhrer Mulehead?

    Comedy testified on 3/17 that he did not, only to change his testimony now,

    Where is the original 302 and was it filed as documents 52-56?

    Did Fuhrer Mulehead destroy evidence?

  56. CG says:

    Not *all* Trump fans of course. Just some.

  57. Robbie says:

    For Barrett.

    According to the newest NBC/WSJ poll, 51% of people have a “very positive” or “somewhat positive” view of the FBI. Only 17% have a “somewhat negative” or “very negative” view of the FBI.

    In contrast, 40% of people had a “very positive” or “somewhat positive” view of the FBI in July 2016 just after Clinton was not charged.

    So the data, as tracked by the NBC/WSJ poll, shows the FBI has gone up in standing since 2016.

  58. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 17, 2018 at 4:42 pm
    So, did Flynn lie and was it material?
    Two fib agents, including Pete the cheat admit he did not. McCabe also provides testimony to Ig that he did not,
    Did agent Pientka provide a 7/17 302, like Pete the Cheat?
    Why did Pete the Cheat provide a 7/17 302, days after he was fired from Fuhrer Mulehead?
    Comedy testified on 3/17 that he did not, only to change his testimony now,
    Where is the original 302 and was it filed as documents 52-56?
    Did Fuhrer Mulehead destroy evidence?

    – Bless your heart.

  59. CG says:

    “Butthurt” could possibly also make sense in reference to a colonoscopy? I know one of the regulars is eagerly anticipating their first.

  60. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    54. this point was already refutted. Other than the banter I had with lisab about Rubio, cannot remember one other candidate lisab said was gay. Which ones are you referring too?

  61. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1074782906365685760

    Breaking

    The Jebots’ Her Thighness wanted to contest the 2016 election.

  62. Robbie says:

    In the Des Moines Register poll released yesterday about a potential Republican primary, both Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley had favorability ratings above 60%. Both would be strong challengers to Trump if they run. Trump will almost certainly be weaker in 12 months than he is today and he is already weak.

  63. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    1h
    Michael Isikoff now doubts the most serious collusion claims in the dossier are true. (link: https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/michael-isikoff-steele-dossier/) dailycaller.com/2018/12/17/mic… via
    @dailycaller

    And the Hillary, who paid Russians, dossier is still not verified.

  64. Tina says:

    Did the drat in drag, Comedy, actually state anything today, other than I do not know, I do not recall, I cannot remember?

  65. CG says:

    lisab also claimed Kasich and Cruz were gay at various points.

    The previous cycle she said it about Rick Perry, although she wasn’t the only one..

  66. Wes says:

    Ay Dios Mio…

    Who seriously thinks Donald Trump will be the victim of a successful primary challenge?

    Julian will stop supporting the worst, most obscure candidates in every race long before that happens.

  67. Wes says:

    Here’s your basic HHR thread currently:

    Tina will downplay or claim everything bad regarding Trump is refuted or untrue .

    Corey and Robbie will bash Trump at every turn.

    Everything else is ancillary.

  68. CG says:

    He deserves to be bashed at every turn on here.

    However, if I were corresponding with liberals, as I did regularly at another blog, I would point out to them when they were being unfair or irrelevant in their criticisms (such as he pronounced Dianne Feinstein’s last name wrong.. he was trying to be anti-Semitic)

  69. Wes says:

    People are seriously claiming Glenn Jacobs—current Knox County Mayor and wrestler—May run for TN-Sen.

    Why not?

    A reality show host is President.

  70. Wes says:

    I forgot.

    When Tgca is here he will rationalize everything bad relating to Trump as somehow either good or unconnected to the President.

  71. CG says:

    I have repeatedly said that it would be nearly impossible to dislodge a sitting President through a primary.

    However, things can change extremely fast in politics.

    Not long ago, Bruce Rauner controlled the Illinois GOP lock, stock, and barrel. The party was completely reliant on his money. The idea in December of 2016 that he could face a serious primary challenge would have been laughable.

    However, by the time of the primary in 2018, much of the party had broken from him and he only prevailed 51-49, and that was against a very late-starting and divisive opponent, with minimal resources. Had the opponent been stronger or had the primary lasted another week, he would have lost.

    (As for Rauner, after his large defeat, he is claiming that he knew all along he couldn’t win and did not even want to run for reelection. He says he approached four people (two females, two males) *after* the primary to replace him on the ticket and said he offered to support them.

    I don’t know how that could have even been accomplished legally. I am glad Rauner won in 2014 and serves as a temporary roadblock, but, as an outsider, he was bad news for the Illinois GOP from Day 1 and the damage will last after he is gone.

  72. lisab says:

    lisab also claimed Kasich and Cruz were gay at various points.
    —————————-

    that is a untrue

    and for the record kasich was my favourite republican in 2016

  73. lisab says:

    Corey and Robbie will bash Trump at every turn.

    Everything else is ancillary.
    —————————–

    actually i would say most stuff is not ancillary

  74. Tina says:

    Actually Wes, if you re read the thread, the jebots have mentioned gay, arses, etc.

    But cool story, and carry on.

  75. Tina says:

    Mark Meadows
    ?
    @RepMarkMeadows
    A question that needs answering: Why did Director Comey authorize agents to break protocol and bypass White House counsel in interviewing General Michael Flynn? It seems part of a pattern: Director Comey didn’t follow protocol. He treated different people by different rules.

    9,382
    1:01 PM – Dec 17, 2018

  76. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Judge Sullivan demands the gubment provide the original, January 2017 302.

    He has, on at least three occasions, asked for it.

  77. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1074813331909894145/photo/2

    Judge Sullivan’s order in the Flynn matter regarding the original 302.

  78. Tina says:

    This will be problematic if ?Fuhrer Mulehead cannot produce the original 302, the one from 1/24/17.

    The judge has asked several times for it,

  79. lisab says:

    Actually Wes, if you re read the thread, the jebots have mentioned gay, arses, etc.
    ————————-

    actually robbie is pretty sick and twisted and has gone well past “gay, arses”

    to the point where you would keep him away from children irl

  80. lisab says:

    MOONVES DOESN’T GET A PENNY

  81. lisab says:

    Outraged Democrats vow to challenge court ruling undercutting Obamacare

  82. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A CNN poll shows Iowa Republican voters still favor Trump.

    Two-thirds of Iowa’s Republican voters say they would definitely vote to re-elect Trump if the general election were held today, but nearly as many say the state’s party ought to welcome challengers to the President to Iowa’s first-in-the-nation caucuses, according to a new CNN/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll.
    The President’s strength among the state’s registered Republican voters is clear in the poll, with Trump earning an 81% approval rating, a 77% favorability rating, and majorities heralding his choices on immigration, judicial appointments, tax cuts, tariffs and even firing his attorney general as good moves. And by a better than two-to-one margin, Republican voters in Iowa place more blame on congressional Republicans (54%) than on the President (24%) for the party’s recent midterm losses.

  83. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In lieu of Trump, Iowa voters favor candidates who would not get the troll stamp of approval.

    “Looking to the presidential prospects of those Republicans who could potentially make a run in the future, just two of the seven potential candidates tested have a majority of Iowa Republicans saying they would ever consider backing them for president — 59% say they could support Rubio, 53% Romney. And there are more who would consider a Nikki Haley candidacy than would rule it out (46% would ever consider it, 21% would never support it).
    There’s more opposition than support, however, for presidential runs from Kasich (39% say they would never back him, while 31% say they would consider it), Flake (47% never to 14% ever) or Corker (40% never to 11% ever). Iowa Republicans also tilt against Ben Sasse, a Republican senator from neighboring Nebraska, with 31% saying they would never vote for him and 21% saying they would ever consider it.”

  84. lisab says:

    Teens who use stronger marijuana are at twice the risk of abusing it – and 40 percent report hallucinations, memory loss, paranoia and anxiety, studies reveal …

  85. lisab says:

    Teens who use stronger marijuana are at twice the risk of abusing it – and 40 percent report hallucinations, memory loss, paranoia and anxiety, studies reveal

  86. lisab says:

    oh … and memory loss

  87. lisab says:

    There’s more opposition than support, however, for presidential runs from Kasich (39% say they would never back him
    ————

    kasich would run third party to avoid spoiler laws

  88. Big Joe says:

    California primary voters will have their ballots before the Iowa caucuses are held. We need a CA primary poll.

    Big Joe

  89. Cash Cow TM says:

    You cannot rearrange the letters in “butthurt” to spell a damn thing.

  90. Cash Cow TM says:

    But if you take two words, “butthurt” + “ancillary”
    you can spell

    U.N. tub tract Hillary
    nut butt Hillary car
    but Hillary can’t rut
    Hillary can’t buttur

  91. marc says:

    With Lamar Alexander suprise retirement announcement this early in the the next cycle. Here is your Senate retirement watch list for 2020.

    Susan Collins first elected in 1996.
    Jim Inhofe first elected in 1994.
    Pat Roberts first elected in 1996.
    Mike Enzi first elected in 1996.
    Ben Sasse first elected in 2014.
    John Cornyn first elected in 2002.

    I predicted Roberts, Enzi, Inhofe and Collins all join Alexander in retirement.

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    As long as Trump’s SCOTUS picks remain on the Court, I got what I needed from him.

  93. Wes says:

    82 just proves Iowa Republicans are not very observant or politically astute if they seriously think Trump was blameless for November.

    Trump’s behavior immediately after the election only underscores his complicity in the results.

    You like to say Trump is unpopular because he’s a reformer, SDC. That’s not at all true. Both Roosevelts and Reagan were reformers yet maintained high approval ratings for most of their time in office. Trump is unpopular because Americans perceive him as a supercilious boor and find his public persona grating. If Trump knew how to project an appealing image to the populace he would be popular and would have a clearer path to reelection in 2020.

    As it stands all I see is that the Trumpkins hope the Dems nominate a candidate as off putting to Middle America as Hillary. That’s a dubious reelection strategy at best.

  94. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    93. “You like to say Trump is unpopular because he’s a reformer, SDC.”

    Think your confusing my comments with another posters comments. I said I liked Trump because he is challenging the system and making necessary changes (the term “reformer” can apply to it). I did not say he was popular, in fact said in fact that his type of personality had a short shelve life. Am critical of his conduct and personality. I agree that if he could change his public persona, it would be an improvement.

  95. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Poster wvalley in May of 2017 brilliantly summarized the benefits and weaknesses of Trump. I totally agreed with the post then, and still do so now.

    “What is frustrating for many, I think, is that it is so obvious the media credibility has been destroyed, and if Trump weren’t such a nut he could be capitalizing on it “bigly”.
    But if he weren’t such a nut he wouldn’t have had the balls to challenge them so boldly in the first place.
    I’m grateful for the judges, and interruption of forward progress of leftist agenda the federal government. I’m sanguine about the day to day.”
    Trump has stopped the leftist agenda in its tracks; which could only be done by some who is something of a “wild man.” The problem is there is going to be a point Americans get tired of the constant drama, and issues involving those formerly close to him. It doesn’t have a long shelf life.
    The benefits of Trump’s disrupting the former status quo need to be made permanent, and become the foundation of the Republican Party; and it is going to take individuals more steady and less volatile than Trump.”

  96. dblaikie says:

    Once again, it is silly to predict the demise of Trump this early in the cycle. In 2016 many here, lead by the infamous MD, labeled me an idiot because I said he was going to win. I have become amazed at his ability to survive stuff that no other politician would be able to endure. I have learned that counting him out because of this tweet or the revelation of a huge ego is problematic.

    Just to remind you, he has a rock solid base of around 40 -43 percent. It seems to me that if he governs successfully in those areas he can, getting that next 10% will not be that hard.

  97. Paul says:

    Cash Cow:
    Truth Tub

  98. Wes says:

    It’s no less silly to predict Trump will survive in 2020, DB. Trump outrages just as many people as he attracts and won’t have Hillary as his foil in 2020. His refusal (or inability) to course correct after the elections has put him in an at best dubious position in two years.

    It didn’t have to be this way, but here we are.

    When the Trumpkins have to hope Dems overreach by nominating another Hillary, that should be a clear indication of how horrible Trump has made his own approval rating.

  99. Messy says:

    wait for it…

  100. Messy says:

    BAM!!!!!!

  101. Messy says:

    Stone pays the price for defending Communism and the Communist Party of China. Sorry Tina. https://www.wsj.com/articles/roger-stone-admits-spreading-lies-on-infowars-11545093097

  102. Tina says:

    Washington Examiner
    @dcexaminer
    The Islamic State is nearing its final days in its last enclave in eastern Syria, according to a U.S. official.

    (link: https://washex.am/2Cj9uRp) washex.am/2Cj9uRp

    This was the Jay Vee Team.

    It franchised well under Obumbler.

  103. Tina says:

    But Isis was indeed founded by failed President, mute 43.

    Arguably, one of the worst Presidents in the last 50 years.

  104. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “STUDY: Frequent sex leads to greater enjoyment of life for men, but not women…”
    ##########################################
    I would like others here to opine about this.

    What is WRONG with women…why do they not enjoy?

  105. Cash Cow TM says:

    Paul says:
    December 18, 2018 at 8:11 am
    Cash Cow:
    Truth Tub

    KUDOS TO PAUL!
    you CAN spell something else with butthurt!

  106. dblaikie says:

    Wes, I am confident of Democratic overreach. They can’t help themselves. The Kavenaugh hearings demonstrated this. Frankly, they have no good candidates — that is the least of my worries.

    But I get your point. Just like the dems, Trump can’t help himself and lots of stuff is self-inflicted. But despite those self-inflicted wounds Donald Trump just keeps going. He is the guy who overcame bad mouthing a gold star family, a famous POW, overcame a sordid Hollywood Access tape. The list goes on.

    Again, he has a solid base of 40 – 43 percent. If he, despite his manifest flaws, continues to Govern in those areas he can. Well all he needs is an additional 7 to 10 percent of people don’t like him, but will vote for him. That is very reachable.

  107. Wes says:

    DB, you’re saying nothing I didn’t hear on here in 2008 when Hedgehoggers had themselves convinced Dems had overreached by nominating Obama.

    That didn’t work out too well for Republicans when the sitting President was perennially unpopular.

  108. dblaikie says:

    And to be fair my friend, you are sounding a bit like those in 2016 who had absolutely no uncertainty that Trump was going to lose.

    All I am saying is that it is way too early to make any judgement on 2020.

  109. Messy says:

    rarely, has a front-runner, at this point in the cycle, actually WON the party’s nomination unless they’re the incumbent.

  110. Wes says:

    Actually, DB, I’ve said if Trump followed the Bill Clinton playbook of self-reinvention after the midterms the Donald would be a favorite to win. He has made no effort to do so. That’s why I’m anticipating a likely loss.

  111. Tina says:

    New thread, even for the loons.