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Bevin Trails Democrats in KY-GOV Race

We have what I believe might be the first public poll out of Kentucky for the gubernatorial race next year and it comes from Mason-Dixon Polling and shows Republican incumbent Matt Bevin in some trouble against the two announced Democratic candidates.

GOVERNOR – KENTUCKY (Mason-Dixon)
Andy Beshear (D) 48%
Matt Bevin (R-inc) 40%

Rocky Adkins (D) 42%
Matt Bevin (R-inc) 41%

Matt Bevin (R-inc) 47%
Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) 46%

This poll was done December 12-15 among 625 registered voters. The PollWatch page for this race can be found here.

Posted by Dave at 10:29 am
Filed under: General | Comments (148)

148 Responses to “Bevin Trails Democrats in KY-GOV Race”

  1. Tina says:

    I like when Republicans are in trouble.

    -Jebot

  2. Waingro says:

    Senator McSally it is.

    NBC News
    ?Verified account @NBCNews

    JUST IN: Arizona Gov. Ducey appointing fellow Republican Martha McSally, who lost Senate bid in November, as US senator to replace the seat that Sen. Kyl is vacating at the end of the year; Kyl had temporarily filled the seat following the death of Sen. McCain – @VaughnHillyard

  3. jason says:

    Great pick!

  4. Tina says:

    Too bad Ducey could not pick himself.

  5. Waingro says:

    I think this was the right move for Ducey for a number of reasons.

    I think with incumbency and a very likely weaker Dem candidate in 2020, McSally will be fine. Plus, this allows Ducey to focus on being a strong popular governor for 4 years and hopefully take out fraud “moderate” Senema in 2024.

  6. mnw says:

    Should be an upgrade over McCain, hopefully.

    The addition of Cramer, Braun, Hawley and McSally, & the subtraction of McCain, Flake & Corker sounds like a helluva good trade to me.

  7. mnw says:

    P.S.

    There’s a good chance of an upgrade when Lamar Alexander leaves, too.

  8. Hunter says:

    And Rick Scott over Nelson the human fossil too.

  9. Waingro says:

    #6, don’t forget Blackburn and Scott in that.

  10. Waingro says:

    By the way, I just read, surprisingly, that Ed Markey is going to run for re-election. I would have thought for sure he would step aside for Joseph P. Kennedy, III.

    Rumor is that Charlie Baker is contemplating running for the seat. He could win that. I know he’s a full blown RINO (at best), but would be a modest upgrade over Markey, who is one of the absolute worst member of Congress.

  11. Waingro says:

    ha. So much for that!

    The Washington Post
    ?Verified account @washingtonpost

    White House signals it will back down on President Trump’s demand for border wall funding and avert a partial government shutdown

  12. Robbie says:

    Sad! I really thought Individual 1 had the best of intentions with his charity.

    NY AG Underwood
    @NewYorkStateAG

    #BREAKING: We’ve secured a stipulation requiring the Trump Foundation to dissolve under judicial supervision, with our review of recipient charities.

    The Foundation functioned as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s interests. Our lawsuit remains ongoing.

  13. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 18, 2018 at 11:09 am
    ha. So much for that!
    The Washington Post
    ?Verified account @washingtonpost
    White House signals it will back down on President Trump’s demand for border wall funding and avert a partial government shutdown

    – Trump just lost the battle of Cucksberg. Now, what will “but muh wall” crowd say?

  14. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    December 18, 2018 at 10:58 am
    Should be an upgrade over McCain, hopefully.
    The addition of Cramer, Braun, Hawley and McSally, & the subtraction of McCain, Flake & Corker sounds like a helluva good trade to me.

    – How’s your populist revolution coming along?

  15. Tina says:

    Mnw, you need to add in Quittens, and you still have sassehole.

    Net -net, a break even,

  16. Robbie says:

    Matt Bevin is the only Republican who could lose the 2019 governor’s race in Kentucky. He may not lose, but he’s the only one who could find a way to lose.

  17. Robbie says:

    I’m shocked the ultimate deal maker, Individual 1, would cave on the wall. Shocked.

  18. Robbie says:

    Wait a minute. I was assured by Tinfoil and the rest of the Trumpaloos that Flynn was caught in a perjury trap and tricked into lying.

    Manu Raju
    @mkraju

    NEWS: Michael Flynn just deflated Trump’s contention that he was duped into lying to FBI. “I was aware” that lying to FBI investigators was a crime when he did so over interactions with Russians, Flynn tells judge

    “I do not” seek to withdraw the plea, Flynn tells the judge

  19. Robbie says:

    Has the deep state gotten to Flynn’s lawyer? Brutal news for Tinfoil.

    Manu Raju
    @mkraju

    Judge Sullivan asks Flynn’s attorney Stephen Anthony if Flynn was “entrapped by the FBI.” Anthony says, “No, your honor.”

  20. Hunter says:

    I just remembered why I stopped posting here, the troll Robbie takeover.

  21. Hunter says:

    That should say TROLL Robbie.

    -Hunter

  22. Robbie says:

    Hunter says:
    December 18, 2018 at 11:36 am
    That should say TROLL Robbie.
    -Hunter

    – Wrong. I’m mocking Tina and the idiotic conspiracies she has posted for almost two years here. She is the troll and so are the sycophants who shamelessly post in support of Trump as he repeatedly does damage to the Republican Party.

  23. Waingro says:

    Ann Coulter of course having a meltdown on Twitter.

    Ann Coulter
    ?Verified account @AnnCoulter
    23m23 minutes ago

    Ann Coulter Retweeted Donald J. Trump

    What happened was, we voted for a guy who promised to build a wall — and you won’t believe what happened next!

    Ann Coulter added,
    Donald J. Trump
    Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    Illegal immigration costs the United States more than 200 Billion Dollars a year. How was this allowed to happen?
    86 replies 115 retweets 356 likes
    Ann Coulter
    ?Verified account @AnnCoulter
    26m26 minutes ago

    Today’s BORDER WALL CONSTRUCTION UPDATE: Miles completed yesterday–Zero; Miles completed since Inauguration–Zero. NEXT UPDATE TOMORROW.
    8 replies 21 retweets 35 likes
    Ann Coulter
    ?Verified account @AnnCoulter
    26m26 minutes ago

    Ann Coulter Retweeted Ann Coulter

    Hey, @FredHonnold! You lost the bet. Today’s Drudge headline:

    “WALL FUNDING OFF TABLE”

    Ann Coulter added,
    Ann Coulter
    Verified account @AnnCoulter
    Put your money where your mouth is! Pay me $100 if Trump signs a spending bill without full wall funding. I’ll pay you $100 if he gets the funding he thinks he needs (but doesn’t). https://twitter.com/FredHonnold/status/1067893439314841601
    11 replies 10 retweets 30 likes

  24. Robbie says:

    Rough moment for the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board, Kim Strassel, Dan Henninger, Mollie Hemingway, and Judge Janine Pirro who all spent the last few weeks suggesting Mike Flynn was tricked into lying.

  25. Wes says:

    In regard to 16, Robbie has clearly forgotten Ernie Fletcher.

  26. Waingro says:

    #24, Robbie: you know they are still going to claim that. The spin will be that he’s essentially a “hostage” with a “gun to his head” during this plea hearing.

  27. Hunter says:

    A win for the open border people and swamp creatures today. Very sad.

    -Hunter

  28. Messy says:

    the latest from the courtroom

    Judge: General Flynn. Do You see this large book I am holding?

    General Flynn: Yes, Your Honor?

    Judge: Do you REALLY want me to THROW it at you!?!?!

    General Flynn: uh….

    Judge: I’ll give you a half hour to discuss this with your lawyer.

  29. Robbie says:

    Man! This is not going the way Mollie Hemingway, Kim Strassel, or Judge Janine expected.

    How will Tinfoil spin this?

    Josh Campbell
    @joshscampbell

    NEW — Judge slams Michael Flynn:

    “All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Advisor to the President of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably you sold your country out.”

  30. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 18, 2018 at 11:47 am
    In regard to 16, Robbie has clearly forgotten Ernie Fletcher.

    – Please. Clearly, I was saying no Republican who could realistically run for governor could lose.

  31. CG says:

    On Friday, Martha McSally met with Cindy McCain and apologized for not acknowledging Senator McCain when she spoke at the signing ceremony for the defense spending bill.

  32. CG says:

    The judge in the Michael Flynn case has a whole lot less sympathy for him that Robert Mueller and his team was willing to offer.

    The judge is basically saying Flynn committed treason.

    So much for the claim that the case against Flynn would be thrown out and he can become White House Chief of Staff.

  33. Waingro says:

    Woa boy.

    Ryan J. Reilly
    ?Verified account @ryanjreilly
    2m2 minutes ago

    FLYNN LAWYER NOW SEEKS TO DELAY SENTENCING.

  34. Waingro says:

    Ryan J. Reilly
    ?Verified account @ryanjreilly
    41s41 seconds ago

    This series was so entertaining they’re bringing it back in March. Leaving it on a cliffhanger for now.

  35. dblaikie says:

    You folks crack me up. Trump always like he is going to cave and then pulls the rug. Here is the key quote from Sandra Huckabee:

    “We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion that we’ll work with Congress,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told Fox News on Tuesday morning. She added that the Trump administration could support $1.6 billion in border security funding proposed by Senate Democrats, as long as it can “couple that with other funding resources” to get to $5 billion.”

    You see, you short-sighted Robbieites, the Dems. have to agree to “other funding resources” to get to 5 billion. Who knows enlarge defense appropriations? Or something else? Trump appears reasonable. Wanting to work together with the other side. Trouble is the dems won’t agree “to other funding resources.” Trump is turning the tables on them.

    And in another slap to the Robbieites, the Judge has just delayed the Flynn sentencing. Stay tuned.

  36. Waingro says:

    #35, DB: so you read that as Trump is still willing to shut the government down?

  37. NYCmike says:

    “So much for the claim that the case against Flynn would be thrown out and he can become White House Chief of Staff.”

    -I guess there is someone out there who will buy that bridge I am trying to sell!!

  38. NYCmike says:

    Let Trump cave. It is all small potatoes now. $5 billion here, $5 billion there, who cares. Swamp all the way down.

    We either hold the White House in 2020, or the Dems take over.

    If letting a Dem take over means you are “conservative”, then so be it.

    And if Mueller was an honorable public servant, there would be people from both sides of the aisle taking perp walks right now……..I won’t hold my breath for that to happen…….nor will I wait for “conservatives” like “CG” and Robbie to hold him to that higher standard.

  39. NYCmike says:

    “”The aggravating circumstances are serious. Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration,” Sullivan said. ”

    -If he was doing Turkey’s bidding, then Flynn should be put away for a long time.

    Robbie, will you NOW be against Turkey? You will a big defender of that islamo-fascist country less than 2 years ago.

  40. lisab says:

    actually NYC

    mueller in no way has to be fair. his job is being a prosecutor against trump

    his only reason for existance is to find dirt on the president

    he is not required or even supposed to be balanced at all.

    i am not saying that is a good thing, but that is his actual mandate.

    picture someone as fair as robbie, but with the power to indict.

    there is ZERO chance he will not lay a very one sided case against the president. that is literally his job.

  41. lisab says:

    Chris Matthews Predicts Trump Could Resign ‘In The Coming Weeks’
    ——————

    his theory is mueller will soon indict ivanka and don jr and threaten to put them in prison

    if trump does not resign

  42. Tina says:

    The judge erred and apologized for the charge of treason.

    Flynn was not registered as a Foreign Agent, when he was nsa,

    Please read the transcript and the applicable part was mentioned after the break,

    It is unusual for both parties to agree to sentencing and have the judge say wait a minute,

  43. NYCmike says:

    “You will” = You were

  44. Tina says:

    If he gets $5 billion, one way, or the other (military to build wall), then no shut down,

    He has repeated this over and over.

    With that said he should have used the military to construct it on Day 1.

  45. lisab says:

    i think he has to use the military to build the wall

    not much choice politically

  46. CG says:

    The ability of some on here to twist themselves into pretzels to justify any bit of news as “good” is really quite remarkable.

  47. Tina says:

    Flynn attorney mentioned the Logan act violation,

    Judge states, yeah a law (unconstitutional) that nobody is prosecuted for.

  48. Tina says:

    Overall, judge, despite his error, seems fair and balanced.

    Can not disagree with him other than the number of times he asked Flynn, if he wanted to amend his plea.

  49. CG says:

    As briefly as I can in regards to the goofy notion that Mueller should be prosecuting Democrats as well-

    A), he sorta is. Flynn and Cohen for example were lifelong Democrats beyond their association with Donald Trump.

    B), but that’s not the point. His assignment was to investigate efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election. To that end, he has charged many Russian nationals.

    He also was charged with looking into determining if any Americans were involved in this. Clearly, some were.

    It is a fact though that in 2016 Russia preferred DJT over HRC and acted to that end, whether they believed he would win or not.

    There are a ton of reasons why Russia would have preferred Trump over Clinton (and why someone like Manafort with all his past business dealings was willing to work for Trump for free), but Russia sought first and foremost to harm the American system. They wanted a Republican over a Democrat and everyone they contacted to try to influence the election was associated with Trump’s campaign. They weren’t playing “both sides.”

    It is also of course theoretically possible that one day in the future they may prefer a Democrat over a Republican and would work extensively towards those ends.

    That is why it is so important to both hold Russia responsible and to punish any American who was in any way, no matter how minor, involved with them in the effort.

  50. CG says:

    From Day 1-

    There was never going to be a “Wall.”

    There will never be a “Wall.”

    This is something Trump says to “fire up” his base, but has never had any intention of Mexico paying for a “Wall” or Congress paying for a “Wall.”

    This has been apparent from the start, but some chose to delude themselves into thinking that Trump is going to get them a “Wall.”

    What happened last week is that Trump couldn’t even fight the facade effectively after he stepped all over his own “position” by saying that everyone should blame a shut-down on him. Republicans in Congress told him they could not back him up if a shut-down happened, and there we are.

    Trump is only not “caving” to the extent that this was never something he really intended to fight for anyway.

  51. Tina says:

    Steven Portnoy
    Steven Portnoy
    @stevenportnoy
    “I felt terrible about that,” Sullivan says, after the prosecutor notes Flynn’s conduct as a foreign agent ended in mid-Nov 2016.

    “I’m not suggesting he committed treason,” Sullivan adds, further apologizing for his remarks in the prior session.

  52. CG says:

    As for the “sentencing of Flynn being delayed”, clearly that is at the request of Mueller and his team because Flynn is working with them and they want to continue cooperating with him.

    The judge was far more harsh towards Flynn than what Mueller was asking for. The judge seemed ready to “lock up” Flynn today.

    Mueller is Flynn’s guardian angel in keeping him out of prison today and perhaps ever. There is a price to that though. Flynn is most certainly working with prosecutors to build a case against DJT and others.

  53. lisab says:

    The progressive wing of the Democratic Party, vying to control the 2020 presidential primaries, wants Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders — by a country mile.

    A survey of over 94,000 self-identified progressives, provided to Secrets, has Sanders with 36 percent support, nearly three times his closest competitor, former Vice President Joe Biden.

  54. Tina says:

    Jebots lose in Dc circuit court

    The Daily Caller
    The Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    ·
    1h
    DC Circuit Judge Turns Down FOIA Request For Trump Tax Records (link: https://trib.al/jAM5DFK) trib.al/jAM5DFK

    They need to try the Hawaii judge or the 9th circus court.

  55. lisab says:

    A national survey of women of color political organizers, activists, donors, and party leaders shows Sen. Kamala Harris as an overwhelming early favorite of the group ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    The survey results, provided to BuzzFeed News by She the People, a new network advocating for women of color in politics, show a majority of respondents — 71.1% — include Harris in their top three choices for president, if she decides to run.

  56. lisab says:

    dc court is evenly split politically

    9th will soon be much more balanced, though still dem edge

  57. lisab says:

    the 9th will soon be 25 dems 22 gop

    currently it is 25-16 dem

    and next year the gop should be on top given the current makeup of the court and retirements

  58. lisab says:

    the courts are really swinging right under trump

    obama left too many openings, i guess he thought hillary would win

  59. CG says:

    Penny Marshall has passed away.

  60. NYCmike says:

    “the courts are really swinging right under trump

    obama left too many openings, i guess he thought hillary would win”

    “CG”: (ignore)
    Robbie: (ignore)

  61. CG says:

    What did I ignore? I supported the Supreme Court nominations as a citizen and spent many hours “arguing” with people on the left about them, and beyond that trying to get you people to get your act together when you were panicked out of your minds over the Kavanaugh matter, with some here calling for the nomination to be pulled.

    In the meantime-

    Trump lies, constantly, and has apparently broken many laws- NYC and others (ignore)

  62. Waingro says:

    Kasie Hunt
    ?Verified account @kasie
    2m2 minutes ago

    I asked @senatemajldr if he was sure there wouldn’t be a Christmas shutdown.

    “Yeah, I’m sure,” he said

  63. Waingro says:

    Cocaine Mitch seems to think a shutdown won’t be happening.

  64. lisab says:

    i am not sure how big a deal it will be when the courts swing gop … right now it is about 50-50

    but when obama left office the appeals courts were 55%-45% dem (approximately), 90-72 dem – gop, with 17 vacancies.

    now it is 50-50% roughly, 84-83 gop-dem, with 12 vacancies.

    there are 32 clinton judges that are now eligible to retire at full salary. sooooooooo, the the court could soon be 60-40% gop.

  65. lisab says:

    soon only the 1st district court will be the only dem dominant court. every other court will have 40%+ gop appointed judges. even the 9th is swinging right …

    they have SIX vacancies

  66. Tina says:

    I heart Obama justices.

    -Jebot

  67. lisab says:

    basically if no other judges retire

    then 25% of the federal judges will have been appointed by trump by december next year. this is just with current vacancies and appointments.

    presumably there will be more retirements

  68. Tina says:

    Dan Abrams
    @danabrams
    The judge in #FlynnSentencing should be ashamed for so casually using the word treason and then backtracking. It’s a really serious allegation and there is no evidence to legally support that crime.

    Pretty clear error by the judge, unfortunately.

  69. CG says:

    When Flynn formally testifies against Trump, all sorts of Trump supporters will say he has committed treason.

  70. NYCmike says:

    “Trump lies, constantly, and has apparently broken many laws- NYC and others (ignore)”

    -As for lying….”Read my lips” will go down as more serious than any of Trump’s lies, in my opinion, unless Mueller actually finds something real, meaning a crime that is charged often and applied to all politicians equally.

  71. CG says:

    A broken promise is not the same thing as a “lie” and history has seemed to determine that breaking the promise was a good move which paved the way for economic growth in the 90s, that had been unfairly credited to Clinton.

    Trump lies about his promises in addition to breaking them. He also lies about far, far worse, such as claiming that the execution of a search warrant, signed by a judge through all Constitutional avenues is the same as a “break-in.”

  72. Tina says:

    Seems like the Rino potomac two step,

    Another CR.

  73. CG says:

    If it’s a unique and unorthodox sort of crime that nobody would have ever been brazen enough to attempt before, of course it’s going to look fairly unprecedented.

    Common sense..

  74. Tina says:

    Read my lips

    And there are WMDs in Iraq. Invade the sheot hole and we will be treated as liberators.

  75. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    Comey does not inspire confidence when he continues to falsely claim that Republicans were involved in the Steele dossier

    Comedy does not inspire confidence period..

  76. Wes says:

    I know Corey will defend literally ANYTHING the Bushes say or do, but I would have expected him to stay mum on GHWB’s I’ll-considered 1990 tax increase rather than defend it.

    Oh, well.

    For the record, the economy began booming coincidentally with the twin emergences of fiscal restraint on Capitol Hill triggered by a nascent GOP Congress and the tech boom in 1995.

    It is sheer sophistry to equate either the 1990 or the 1993 tax increase with economic growth—especially since both immediately preceded economic slowdowns.

  77. Tina says:

    Jordan Schachtel
    Jordan Schachtel
    @JordanSchachtel
    ·
    7m
    From Comey transcript that was just released: Comey confirms that CNN contributor James Clapper ordered him to brief President Trump on the Steele dossier. The details of the briefing were later acquired by CNN. Clapper then got the CNN gig.

    Poor penguin.

  78. lisab says:

    -As for lying….”Read my lips” will go down as more serious than any of Trump’s lies
    ————————

    i think trump has support of about 45% going into 2020 … which can go up or down based on events

    but if he does not somehow start building a wall of some kind, i think he will lose at least 5% of that support.

    even if he has the military put a wall of barbed wire along the border, he will be ok with his supporters, but if he does nothing i doubt all his rural voters will forgive him.

    some will, but many won’t

  79. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    And if Mueller was an honorable public servant, there would be people from both sides of the aisle taking perp walks right now……..I won’t hold my breath for that to happen…….nor will I wait for “conservatives” like “CG” and Robbie to hold him to that higher standard.

    – Poor, NYCmike. All he’s got left to argue is “What about Hillary” as he watches Individual 1 get entangled in more and more legal corruption.

  80. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:02 pm
    You folks crack me up. Trump always like he is going to cave and then pulls the rug. Here is the key quote from Sandra Huckabee:
    “We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion that we’ll work with Congress,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told Fox News on Tuesday morning. She added that the Trump administration could support $1.6 billion in border security funding proposed by Senate Democrats, as long as it can “couple that with other funding resources” to get to $5 billion.”
    You see, you short-sighted Robbieites, the Dems. have to agree to “other funding resources” to get to 5 billion. Who knows enlarge defense appropriations? Or something else? Trump appears reasonable. Wanting to work together with the other side. Trouble is the dems won’t agree “to other funding resources.” Trump is turning the tables on them.

    – What’s so laughable about this is Trump can’t just move money around. Congress must approve that and they’re NEVER going to move money around to give Individual 1 his stupid wall.

  81. NYCmike says:

    “If it’s a unique and unorthodox sort of crime that nobody would have ever been brazen enough to attempt before……”

    -The “If” says a lot…..since it is now Dec 2018, and we still don’t know what crime was committed…….the crime usually happens before the investigations starts……

  82. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:37 pm
    If he gets $5 billion, one way, or the other (military to build wall), then no shut down,
    He has repeated this over and over.
    With that said he should have used the military to construct it on Day 1.

    – Bless your heart. That’s not the way things work. Trump can’t just take money from one department and give it to another. He would need the approval of Congress and they’re not going to do that. Trump caved because he knows there aren’t the votes for the stupid wall and the public doesn’t support a wall.

  83. NYCmike says:

    “legal corruption”

    -It looks like we are starting to get somewhere…..first, “CG” used the word “If..” 2 years after the “crime” happened, and second, now Robbie is using the term “legal corruption”…….that is only illegal for Trump??

  84. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:40 pm
    i think he has to use the military to build the wall
    not much choice politically

    – Too bad that’s against the law.

  85. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    “”The aggravating circumstances are serious. Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration,” Sullivan said. ”
    -If he was doing Turkey’s bidding, then Flynn should be put away for a long time.
    Robbie, will you NOW be against Turkey? You will a big defender of that islamo-fascist country less than 2 years ago.

    – You’re insane, but that’s what Trumpism does to the weak minded.

    And yes I did support the coup to overthrow Erdogan. Your boy Flynn tried to deport a cleric to Erdogan.

  86. CG says:

    81. It says that Mueller is a by the book professional who refuses to allow anyone in his command to “leak.”

    We will all know eventually. You never know, maybe Trump will vindicated, but yeah, even you folks know that isn’t going to be the case, hence the pre-emptive “Fuhrer” attacks.

  87. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    “the courts are really swinging right under trump
    obama left too many openings, i guess he thought hillary would win”
    “CG”: (ignore)
    Robbie: (ignore)

    – NYCmike acts as if other Republican presidents wouldn’t have filled all of those vacancies Mitch McConnell held open. NYCmike is clearly out to lunch.

  88. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 3:45 pm
    “Trump lies, constantly, and has apparently broken many laws- NYC and others (ignore)”
    -As for lying….”Read my lips” will go down as more serious than any of Trump’s lies, in my opinion, unless Mueller actually finds something real, meaning a crime that is charged often and applied to all politicians equally.

    – You really are lunatic. Only a clownish Tea party fool would suggest “read my lips” is on the same scale as the massive lying that Trump has done.

    When you can show me GHWB lied about screwing a porn star and lying about the $130,000 hush payment he made to the porn star, I compare GHWB to Individual 1, your hero. You really are embarrassing yourself today.

  89. NYCmike says:

    “And yes I did support the coup to overthrow Erdogan.”

    -B.S., you are full of sh*t.

    You were supporting Turkey, and Erdogan, since Jan 2017 when Trump became President, constantly bringing up Article 5 and other st uff about NATO.

  90. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 4:52 pm
    “legal corruption”
    -It looks like we are starting to get somewhere…..first, “CG” used the word “If..” 2 years after the “crime” happened, and second, now Robbie is using the term “legal corruption”…….that is only illegal for Trump??

    – You are aware Michael Cohen plead guilty to campaign finance violations which he said were directed by Trump, right? And you are aware the judge in the case accepted that as fact. So that’s legal corruption, but I get it. You’re in the bunker with Trump.

  91. Tina says:

    NeverTrump’s new base of operations: Qatar?
    via
    @JordanSchachtel

    NeverTrump’s new base of operations: Qatar?
    conservativereview.com

    From the Lido Deck to Qatar,

  92. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 4:58 pm
    “And yes I did support the coup to overthrow Erdogan.”
    -B.S., you are full of sh*t.
    You were supporting Turkey, and Erdogan, since Jan 2017 when Trump became President, constantly bringing up Article 5 and other st uff about NATO.

    – You have genuinely lost your mind. I supported the military coup that attempted to overthrow Erdogan.

    That is not the same as saying we should value the NATO alliance you buffoon.

    What in the world in wrong with you? Has Trumpism just eaten away you mind?

  93. NYCmike says:

    “is on the same scale as the massive lying that Trump has done.”

    -“massive lying”?

    Please give examples of this…..how has Trump massively lied and our federal government has acted totally different towards the American populace as he had indicated it would?

    Did he say “Read my lips…”?

    Did he say “You can keep your doctor….”?

    Did he sell Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security as retirement programs but claiming they were not taxes, while arguing in court they were taxes?

  94. Tina says:

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    A big concern is that Judge Sullivan was unaware of timelines and so easily used the word “treason” on that bad info, then had to apologize and correct himself.

    Now the left’s narrative is, “Judge accuses Flynn of treason!”

    His error is a big mistake. Not sure if they could reassign another judge though. He replaced Pete the cheats favorite judge.

  95. NYCmike says:

    Your need to spew silly words shows how false your arguments are. Erdogan is Turkey. He is a fascist dictator who will NOT leave that country by a free and fair election. You spoke about Article 5 being sacrosanct…..do we invoke it to protect Erdogan?

    YES or NO?

  96. NYCmike says:

    ” So that’s legal corruption,”

    -Which is illegal if Trump does it??

  97. CG says:

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

    NYC, I will await your refutation of each and every one of these entries.

  98. NYCmike says:

    “”There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.” ”

    -Well, This is right on the money!

  99. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 5:05 pm
    Your need to spew silly words shows how false your arguments are. Erdogan is Turkey. He is a fascist dictator who will NOT leave that country by a free and fair election. You spoke about Article 5 being sacrosanct…..do we invoke it to protect Erdogan?
    YES or NO?

    – False argument? You support without any reservation the lies Trump spews from his mouth every day and you talk about false arguments? Give me a break. Trumpism has taken whatever credibility you once had and finished it off.

    Saying the US should honor its treaty commitments to nations is not the same as supporting an individual. If that was the case, why didn’t the US intervene to stop the military coups in the 1980’s in Turkey?

    The treaty binds the US defend alliance members from attacks to their territorial borders. It doesn’t require the US to support individual politicians.

    Try harder. You are embarrassing yourself more than normal.

  100. NYCmike says:

    “”The Democrats want to invite caravan after caravan of illegal aliens into our country. And they want to sign them up for free health care, free welfare, free education, and for the right to vote.” ”

    -You will dispute this? Democrats show no will to close the borders, just like you.

    How many is enough? When does the border get shut down?

    Should we increase legal immigration to 2 million? 3 million?

    20 million more? 50 million? What is the number?

  101. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Comedy’s lawyah threatened to walk from the hearing regarding the leaking of classified memos to his friend,

  102. Tina says:

    “”There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.” ”

    -Well, This is right on the money!

    I am from California and concur.

    Mute 43 said the same thing,

    They will not thin.

  103. Robbie says:

    And by the way. NYCmike gets excited about all of the judicial vacancies that have been filled the last two years. Well, who made sure those openings were there? Mitch McConnell. And who has NYCmike consistently opposed? Mitch McConnell.

  104. NYCmike says:

    ” It doesn’t require the US to support individual politicians.”

    -Erdogan is a dictator. He will not relinquish power, as the military did numerous times.

  105. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 18, 2018 at 5:15 pm
    Breaking
    Comedy’s lawyah threatened to walk from the hearing regarding the leaking of classified memos to his friend,

    – I see you’ve just moved on from your tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about Flynn over the last few days without any mention of how WRONG your views were.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “And who has NYCmike consistently opposed? Mitch McConnell.”

    -Consistently opposed?

    If he passed legislation that is bad, I speak out against him.

    When he does something good, I say JOB WELL DONE.

    Same as with Trump.

    Trump should be shutting down this government right now…..he is acting like a quisling right now.

  107. CG says:

    Anyone who accepts the rhetoric that Democrats have “invited” caravans comes across to many as an extremist.

    I think there are ample ways to criticize Democrats on their positions on illegal immigration without resorting to ridiculous cartoon characterizations such as Trump has done.

    He did it , during the midterms, for political reasons, and it turned off a lot of voters and the results, which were very bad for Republicans, spoke for themselves.

    So, double down on that sort of thing and expect the same result in 2020, when there will be even more non-Trumpists voting.

  108. CG says:

    NYC has called for McConnell to be both defeated at the polls and to have power stripped from him in Washington.

    He won’t own up to that now though.

  109. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 18, 2018 at 5:17 pm
    ” It doesn’t require the US to support individual politicians.”
    -Erdogan is a dictator. He will not relinquish power, as the military did numerous times.

    – Then vote Turkey out of NATO. Good luck. I do marvel at how you’ve embraced Steve Bannon’s vile nationalism and populism, but you are a Tea Party devotee so that probably explains much of it.

  110. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 18, 2018 at 5:22 pm
    NYC has called for McConnell to be both defeated at the polls and to have power stripped from him in Washington.
    He won’t own up to that now though.

    – Yep. He supported Matt Bevin in the 2014 primary.

  111. CG says:

    Does NYC layer polo shirts and jackets like Steve Bannon does?

    And for crying out loud, does nobody want to discuss Stephen Miller’s spray-on hair? We had dozens and dozens of posts about Trudeau’s fake eyebrow..

  112. CG says:

    I would also be up for discussing the complete and utter demise of the Green Bay Packers.

  113. lisab says:

    Belgium PM Charles Michel resigns after government collapses in dispute over UN migration pact
    ———————————

    belgium government just collapsed

  114. CG says:

    Did he waffle on the issue?

  115. lisab says:

    #Brussels today. Police used water cannons and tear gas against anti-migration protesters. #Belgium

  116. lisab says:

    France ‘ready to use last-resort chemical weapon against rioting Yellow Vests’

    Astonishing revelations about the ‘debilitating powder’ highlights the increasing desperation of President Emmanuel Macron’s administration in France – after five straight weeks of violence by Yellow Vests protesters

  117. Tina says:

    Notice the Jebot is “concerned” about the claim that Drats invited the caravans.

    Well somebody paid them and somebody wants them in country.

    So, they are being invited by the somebody or somebodies sponsoring them, and the ones who want them in country,

  118. CG says:

    I was glancing through an old thread from November 2010.

    MD was saying Richard Lugar deserved to lose a 2012 Senate primary over the Dream Act…

    I dismissed the idea that Lugar might lose a primary. I turned out to be wrong on that but MD was quite the Tea Partier back at the time..

  119. Tina says:

    France ‘ready to use last-resort chemical weapon against rioting Yellow Vests’

    Gee, it is rich that Globalist Macaroni is using chemical weapons on his own peeps, especially when he was so concerned about who launched them in Syria.

    Hint, it was not the muh Russians that launched it.

  120. CG says:

    During the back and forth “JT”, of all people, stood up for me and credited me for Mark Kirk’s recent reelection victory (not that I deserved all the credit) and said I kept him “sane.”

  121. CG says:

    I believe Globalist Macaroni is a fast-casual chain in certain parts of the country.

  122. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
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    It seems kind of dishonest of
    @JonahNRO
    to call
    @EmeraldRobinson
    a stupid liar for asking if National Review took cash from Google in an article in which he admits National Review took cash from Google.

    Ahoy.

  123. lisab says:

    if macron’s police use the chemicals against the yellow vests

    it would probably bring down the government

    and might bring down the eu itself.

    that would be a huge mistake.

  124. Tina says:

    Mollie
    Mollie
    @MZHemingway
    ·
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    I’ll be on
    @TuckerCarlson
    at 8p. We’ll be discussing how dossier’s central claims that fueled Russia conspiracy theory–Cohen’s secret Prague meeting, supposed mastermind spy Carter Page, Manafort as ringleader of collusion–aren’t showing up in any prosecutions or plea deals.

    Should be good.

  125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    98. “”There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.” ”

    The reason there are massive forest fires is the underlying vegetation is flammable, and fire is nature’s way of clearing it out. There have always been fires in California, the early Spanish explorers wrote about them. Many plant species require fire to reproduce. The reason they are deadly now is people are building houses in the middle of areas with a heavy fire risk. If you build in midst of flammable chaparral or other types of vegetation, chances are sometime your going to experience a major fire. Doing things like brush clearance and using goats to reduce brush help, but there is always a risk.

  126. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Turkish situation is delicate to say the least. Yes, Turkey is a NATO ally, and we have a major air military base in Turkey. Yet we also have U.S. troops stationed with Kurdish forces in northern Syria, and they fight together in the same units. Turkey wants to attack these Kurds, claiming are supporting Kurdish separatists in its borders.

    Also millions of Syrian refugees are staying in camps in Turkey, which is a major burden on the country. If Turkey were to try and kick them out, a huge number would attempt to enter Europe. So Europe and the U.S. are supporting Turkey in taking care of the refugees.

    However, the bottom line is, despite the differences, Turkey and the U.S. are supporting many of the same Syrian rebels against Assad and the Russians. So they are allied. Also U.S. planes fly out of an air base in Turkey on raids. So despite the strains, we are still working with Turkey.

  127. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    126. You don’t seem to understand Wes, as Earth gets warmer it sends out heat that is now melting the rings of Saturn. Those of us in California are on the cutting edge of science, so we are able comprehend these type of things.

  128. Wes says:

    I just noticed my phone autocorrected Saturn to Saturday’s.

    Ggggrrrr…

  129. Wes says:

    Sadly, SDC, that sounds like climate change advocates logic. I’m surprised no one has made the case.

  130. Wes says:

    On the subject of global warming, some leftist poli sci professor said Nelson had an advantage over Scott because the hurricanes in Florida made global warming an issue.

    Whoops!

    Hint: No one outside liberal enclaves thinks much about this overblown issue.

  131. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    130. Sadly, SDC, that sounds like climate change advocates logic. I’m surprised no one has made the case.

    Give it time. Maybe it will come as a part of a doubleheader; a claim that CO2 from the earth is making the Sun warmer.

  132. NYCmike says:

    “– Yep. He supported Matt Bevin in the 2014 primary.”

    -And?

    Then, I supported Mitch in the general…..do you see how that works?

    Any Republican worth their name could have done what McConnell did in keeping out Garland.

    You 2 voters, of course, did NOTHING to keep Garland out of that seat, as the both of you were fine with Hillary.

  133. NYCmike says:

    And Mitch has done many other good things the last 2 years. I do wish he had been better on some, but over-all he has been better. I would not look for him to be primaried again if he keeps it up, although I would not be against someone making sure to keep him on the right path, like some of you are.

  134. NYCmike says:

    Talk about short-sighted – “CG” and Robbie are worried more about Trump’s tweets and bloviating than they are about picking potentially 50% of the sitting judges, and pushing to rid the nation of Obamacare.

  135. Proud Obamacon says:

    So the Republican Party is now the Trump Victory Party. Yeah! Can’t wait to run against Collins, Gardener, McSally, and friends.. all card carrying members of the Trump Victory Party! LOL

    #FEEL.THE.WAVE

  136. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good luck distancing yourself from the Groper in Chief when you are a member of the Trump Victory Party. LOL

    #RESIST!

  137. Tina says:

    Poll: Should President Trump pardon Michael Flynn?

    Yes
    No
    Not sure

    1409 (80%)
    246 (14%)
    100 (6%)

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2018/dec/17/should-president-trump-pardon-michael-flynn/

  138. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    6m
    Gallup: Americans Say No. 1 Problem is Government, No. 2 is Immigration.

  139. Tina says:

    I heart illegal immigration and government.

    -Jebots

  140. Barrett says:

    Guys, I just got back from CNN and MSNBC. They said it loud and clear “the walls are closing in on Trump.”

    And they’ve been saying it for quite a while now, almost 2 years!

    So I am sorry to say, but at this rate the walls will have fully closed in on Trump in about 5 or so years.

  141. Waingro says:

    Coulter predictably is melting down.

    Today’s Daily @DailyCaller Podcast is up: @AnnCoulter Unloads: ‘A Joke Presidency’ That ‘Scammed The American People’ With Promises Of A Wall dailycaller.com/2018/12/19/ann… via @dailycaller

  142. Wes says:

    Wain, Ann Coulter is a political whore—despite the disgusting mental imagery attending that wholly accurate metaphor. She will do or say anything controversial perceived as necessary to generate attention and money.

  143. Robbie says:

    NYCmike absolutely loves primary challenges so I’ll be interested to see how he feels about this.

    It’s outrageous, but it also suggests party leaders are concerned about the electoral strength Individual 1 in a primary.

    David M. Drucker
    @DavidMDrucker

    NEW: The South Carolina Republican Party likely to cancel its presidential primary in 2020 to protect @realDonaldTrump from any GOP challengers that might emerge. (There is precedent for this strategy.) https://washex.am/2USHmvE @dcexaminer

  144. Waingro says:

    A full blown cave.

    Zeke Miller
    ?Verified account @ZekeJMiller

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate GOP leader McConnell says he will introduce bill to fund government through Feb. 8 and avoid partial shutdown.

  145. Waingro says:

    Hilarious.

    Ann Coulter Retweeted:

    Virginia Dare
    ? @vdare
    Dec 17

    Virginia Dare Retweeted Josh Kraushaar

    So Sasse is better than Trump right now.

    That’s where we are at.