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Biden Leads Sanders By 17% in IA

We have a another new poll from Iowa for the Democratic Caucuses, this one comes from David Binder Research for Focus on Rural America that came out on Monday.

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (David Binder Research)
Joe Biden 30%
Bernie Sanders 13%
Beto O’Rourke 11%
Amy Klobuchar 10%,
Elizabeth Warren 9%
Kamala Harris 7%
Cory Booker 6%
Sherrod Brown 3%
Michael Bloomberg 2%
John Kerry 2%
John Delaney 1%
Eric Garcetti 0%

This poll was done December 10-11 among 500 likely caucus goers.

Posted by Dave at 10:55 am
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770 Responses to “Biden Leads Sanders By 17% in IA”

  1. Waingro says:

    Klobuchar would be a huge darkhouse if she decided to run.

  2. Waingro says:

    Reuters Politics
    ?Verified account @ReutersPolitics
    13m13 minutes ago

    MORE: All U.S. State Department personnel are being evacuated from Syria within 24 hours – official

  3. jason says:

    Just mailed a check to John Delaney.

  4. jason says:

    I have a friend who is a flaming liberal who wants Klobuchar or Sherrod Brown.

    He would rather have Kamala or another even far to the left moonbat but “doesn’t want to take chances”.

    He thinks Biden has too much baggage and “could self destruct”.

  5. jason says:

    Huh, even farther to the left..

  6. Robbie says:

    I believe the three people most likely to be the Democrat nominee are Biden, Harris, and O’Rourke. I don’t know if one has the edge on the others, but I think Kamala Harris has a great shot, especially since California has now moved up in the process. I think Sanders’ time has come and gone and I think Warren may not get off the launch pad.

    As for the presidency, I think the three names I listed are also the three most likely to be elected president in 2020. The reason so many Democrats are thinking about running is this looks like a nomination worth having. With Trump’s approval mired in the low 40’s, the economy possibly sputtering, and the base of the party showing no interest in someone other than Trump, Trump is very likely to lose.

    I know the usual suspects will say “but muh socialism” in response to any suggestion a Democrat will win, but the 2018 election just shot that talking point in the head. Plenty of hard left candidates won when they otherwise shouldn’t have because the country was voting against the party and the president in power.

  7. Robbie says:

    This decision is every bit as stupid as Obama’s pullout from Iraq which led to the creation of ISIS.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    More
    We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.

  8. Robbie says:

    NYCmike loves primaries and primary challenges so I’m sure he’ll be against this decision to cancel the 2020 South Carolina primary.

    David M. Drucker
    @DavidMDrucker

    NEW: The South Carolina Republican Party likely to cancel its presidential primary in 2020 to protect @realDonaldTrump from any GOP challengers that might emerge. (There is precedent for this strategy.) https://washex.am/2USHmvE @dcexaminer

  9. Waingro says:

    Chad Pergram
    ?Verified account @ChadPergram
    1m1 minute ago

    Schumer: It’s good news that the president has retreated from his demand that Congress fund the wall.

  10. Waingro says:

    Chucky Schmucky spiking the football today with Trump’s cave.

  11. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 19, 2018 at 11:52 am
    Chad Pergram
    ?Verified account @ChadPergram
    1m1 minute ago
    Schumer: It’s good news that the president has retreated from his demand that Congress fund the wall.

    – If there’s one thing that could harm Trump with his cultish base it would be failing to deliver on the wall. Of course, a few weeks from now we’ll probably hear the cult base say this was all part of Trump 86 dimensional chess game.

  12. Waingro says:

    The SAME judge on the Flynn prosecution, who just a few days ago MAGA Nation was praising to no end. Boy how things can quickly change!

    The Hill
    ?Verified account @thehill

    #BREAKING: Judge strikes down most of Trump policy cutting off asylum for domestic violence victims http://hill.cm/Ih7MZua

  13. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 19, 2018 at 11:53 am
    Chucky Schmucky spiking the football today with Trump’s cave.

    – Also, the best part of this is there was a deal last January to give Trump 25 billion for his wall in exchange for legalizing the DACA people. But rather than take the deal, Trump let Stephen Miller and his spray on hair talk him out of the deal. Now, no wall and there never will be a wall.

  14. Wes says:

    Robbie, how did Obama create ISIS when the group formed in 1999 and first came to prominence in 2006 as one of the groups taking advantage of Bush’s failure in Iraq?

  15. NYCmike says:

    “Coulter predictably is melting down.”

    -As she should be. Trump failed miserably in this instance, and over the past 2 years, in regard to the wall.

    What exactly are you against that she is railing about? She wants the wall built, she wants border security to be taken seriously.

    Is the Republican Party now against the federal government doing one of the main jobs set up by our Constitution?

  16. NYCmike says:

    “NYCmike absolutely loves primary challenges so I’ll be interested to see how he feels about this.”

    -Why would you be interested? Why would you even question what I feel?

    NO CANDIDATE and/or President should be able to avoid a primary challenge.

  17. NYCmike says:

    “Robbie, how did Obama create ISIS when the group formed in 1999 and first came to prominence in 2006 as one of the groups taking advantage of Bush’s failure in Iraq?”

    -Ridiculous statement. Bush left Iraq in relative peace, that is historical fact. If Obama had not withdrawn, ISIS would not have made the gains they made.

    I also question Trump leaving Syria now……it better have been a decision made with Mattis and the military’s agreement.

  18. Wes says:

    Bush let ISIS run wild for years, Mikey. By the time he got off his lazy, incompetent ass and did something Americans were fed up. I understand you know nothing about history, but there you are.

  19. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    17. Totally agree with NYMike. It was Obama who was responsible for the massive expansion of ISIS. A blunder that results in the death of tens of thousands, and what amounted to genocide against the non-Muslim communities of northern Iraq.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2017/02/16/are-the-democrats-helping-isis-recruit/#660238b726ff

  20. NYCmike says:

    Sure, Wes, let them “run wild”…….your BDS is as bad as “CG”‘s and Robbie’s TDS.

    Please don’t make me defend Bush/Cheney and how they micromanaged the Iraq War, it was borderline criminal how they handcuffed our troops……but Obama made it worse, then told them when we would leave, and they simply waited for that date.

  21. NYCmike says:

    Wes won’t let it go…….he has guilt because of voting FOR Bush, but then also deals with the guilt of NOT VOTING for McCain and helping Obama to get in, which the results are now in.*

    *Of course, there are people like “CG” and Robbie, who even though they saw the results of Obama, would rather have had Hillary in office instead of Trump…….just like they will want Kamala in office in 2021 instead of Trump.

  22. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Robbie, how did Obama create ISIS when the group formed in 1999 and first came to prominence in 2006 as one of the groups taking advantage of Bush’s failure in Iraq?

    – LOL.

  23. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    7. “This decision is every bit as stupid as Obama’s pullout from Iraq which led to the creation of ISIS.”

    I am going to totally agree with Robbie on this one. If Trump has abandoned and betrayed our Kurdish allies, he is politically dead to me. I will support a Republican challenger in 2020.

    From the NYTs.

    “But Pentagon officials who had sought to talk the president out of the decision as late as Wednesday morning argued that such a move would betray Kurdish allies who have fought alongside American troops in Syria and who could find themselves under attack in a military offensive now threatened by Turkey.”

  24. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2018 at 12:40 pm
    Bush let ISIS run wild for years, Mikey.

    – It was Al queda in Iraq that fomented the insurgency in 2006.

    ISIS was a nothing operation until it was able to fill the void left when Obama pulled out of Iraq too soon.

    Trump is making a terrible error pulling out of Syria. We’ll back there in no time flat and facing a much more difficult situation than today.

    I get that you hate GWB, but not every problem in the Mideast has its origin in a decision GWB made.

  25. Robbie says:

    Something tells me Rush will eventually backtrack on this claim, but, if he doesn’t, then Trump really is in big trouble. Right now, he’s in trouble with every voting group but the base of the party. If the base of the party begins to peel off, he’s finished.

    Honestly, there’s only so much of the kabuki theater Trump does with the wall that his followers can take with a straight face.

    John Drogin
    @JohnDrogin

    Wow. Rush just said Trump caving on the wall is equivalent to Bush 41 caving on “read my lips, no new taxes.”

  26. lisab says:

    one sad part of the bush years in iraq is that the number of usa deaths each year under bush in iraq was about 1.5 times the number of people shot in chicago each year … but the shootings in chicago do not make the news very much

    and it is my opinion, but i think chicago shootings are largely not discussed because the victims in chicago are mostly black, (and often involved in crime themselves).

  27. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    25. We are looking at the Kurds, who were our allies during the Mideast war and saved the lives of countless American service members, being slaughtered. It would be a complete betrayal of everything the U.S. stands for.

    If this is true, am sure a lot of Republican senators who have moral values, will react the way I have. Trump’s job security may be about to lessen considerably.

  28. lisab says:

    as i said yesterday, i think if trump does not put up some kind of wall, say via the military building it, he will not be forgiven by a good part of the rural voters that put him in power

  29. NYCmike says:

    “Wow. Rush just said Trump caving on the wall is equivalent to Bush 41 caving on “read my lips, no new taxes.””

    -I was in the car when he said. Coulter was on about a half hour prior.

    It will be right up there with Bush’s blunder, if Trump doesn’t get something done.

    Maybe that will be for the best, combined with the Syria decision, if NOT made with military agreement, then Trump’s actions may unite someone like me with Robbie, seeking an alternative.*

    *Please make note, that I will seek an alternative over bad policy decisions, while Robbie will seek an alternative over a personal dislike of Trump. Also notice that Robbie, along with “CG”, care nothing about unchecked illegal immigration, and refuse to say what is the yearly limit for legal immigration.

  30. NYCmike says:

    Full disclosure: I was not enthused about going into Syria, it is a quagmire.

    BUT, if us leaving endangers the Kurds and helps the Turks, Russians, and Iranians, then it is the wrong decision.

    We shall see if Mattis looks to leave if the military leadership was not listened to.

  31. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 19, 2018 at 1:12 pm
    25. We are looking at the Kurds, who were our allies during the Mideast war and saved the lives of countless American service members, being slaughtered. It would be a complete betrayal of everything the U.S. stands for.
    If this is true, am sure a lot of Republican senators who have moral values, will react the way I have. Trump’s job security may be about to lessen considerably.

    – I totally agree. The US asked the Kurds to the vast majority of the fighting against ISIS in northern Iraq. We made a commitment to them and it would terribly wrong to hang them out to dry like this.

    Regrettably, I think the foreign policy view you and I seem to share on this issue probably isn’t one shared by a majority of Republican base voters. Populism has become a real thing in the party and the populist base that supports Trump probably won’t care one bit about Kurds.

  32. Wes says:

    I love how the Bush Bitchboys—in this case Robbie and Mikey—are willing to engage in revionist history to protect GWB. To wit, October 2006–the first mention of ISIS on this timeline—was a full 27 months before Obama became President, yet somehow Obama is responsible for their existence. 🙄

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

  33. lisab says:

    just fyi, turkey is threatening to attack the usa/kurd areas in syria — and if turkey attacks and kills usa troops, it could be very bad.

    just saying a usa/turkey shooting war would be very bad for us

    i have nothing against the kurds though, just that a usa/turkey conflict would not be a good thing.

  34. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 19, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    *Please make note, that I will seek an alternative over bad policy decisions, while Robbie will seek an alternative over a personal dislike of Trump. Also notice that Robbie, along with “CG”, care nothing about unchecked illegal immigration, and refuse to say what is the yearly limit for legal immigration.

    -I don’t think Trump is in any danger as long as FoxNews remains in his corner and right now they are. If he starts to get an increasing diet of negative stories from them, then maybe he’ll be truly vulnerable. I doubt FoxNews bails unless Murdock sees him as a sure loser in 2020. Right now, Trump is still good for FoxNews’ bottom line.

  35. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2018 at 1:23 pm
    I love how the Bush Bitchboys—in this case Robbie and Mikey—are willing to engage in revionist history to protect GWB. To wit, October 2006–the first mention of ISIS on this timeline—was a full 27 months before Obama became President, yet somehow Obama is responsible for their existence.

    – Obama is responsible for pulling out of Iraq too early and allowing ISIS to fill the void. Had Obama kept a US troop presence in Iraq, ISI never would have been able to control such vast swaths of the country.

  36. Wes says:

    Hey, Robbie, maybe GWB should have done something about the violence in Iraq before his final year in office. Then maybe Americans might not have voted for Obama to get us out of Iraq.

    Weird concept, I know.

  37. sandiegocitizen says:

    32. A significant amount of Trump’a base served in the military. This will not go over well. Add to it that the loss of Kelly, who apparently Trump was no longer on speaking terms with.

  38. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2018 at 1:31 pm
    Hey, Robbie, maybe GWB should have done something about the violence in Iraq before his final year in office. Then maybe Americans might not have voted for Obama to get us out of Iraq.
    Weird concept, I know.

    – If you believe I think GWB handled the Iraq war and its aftermath well, then you’re mistaken.

    GWB did not send in an invasion force that was large enough to fully pacify the country nor did he send in an occupation force that was large enough to keep the country pacified. He also stupidly fired the entire Iraqi army and that set the stage for the violent civil war.

    The humanitarian disaster in the aftermath of the Iraq war was entirely GWB’s fault because he made terrible tactical decisions in terms of man power.

    I supported the invasion, but GWB’s handling of the aftermath was awful. Plenty of that is due to Rumsfeld, but GWB was the ultimate decision maker and he has to own what became a catastrophe in 2006 and 2007.

  39. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    You are unhinged when it comes to Dubya.

  40. Wes says:

    Show me where I’m wrong, Brave Sir Mikey. I do notice for all your bluster about how Iraq was an absolute necessity you were uninterested in putting your own ass on the line there. Why is that exactly?

  41. lisab says:

    it is as i suggested above

    trump is saying that the military will build the wall.

    ** i ** am not saying they will. trump is saying they will.

    ————————————————
    Mexico is paying (indirectly) for the Wall through the new USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA! Far more money coming to the U.S. Because of the tremendous dangers at the Border, including large scale criminal and drug inflow, the United States Military will build the Wall!

  42. sandiegocitizen says:

    34. The Kurds and U.S. were allies and fought together for over a decade. So now the Turks are threatening to attack the areas that Kurds and U.S. troops are located. And Trump’s solution is to turn tail and run. That is one hell of a way to make America great again.

  43. NYCmike says:

    #39 – Robbie, well said.

    Bush/Cheney handcuffed the military.

    BUT, ISIS made their gains after Obama withdrew troops. If Obama had listened to his military commanders, we would not have left.

  44. Robbie says:

    sandiegocitizen says:
    December 19, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    32. A significant amount of Trump’a base served in the military. This will not go over well. Add to it that the loss of Kelly, who apparently Trump was no longer on speaking terms with.

    – I’d like to believe your view is correct, but Trump also attacked McCain for being a POW and saw his support in the polls rise.

  45. lisab says:

    which will set up a scotus fight.

    i am not sure kavanaugh an roberts would side with trump on this

    not saying they won’t, just no guarantees there

  46. NYCmike says:

    ” I do notice for all your bluster about how Iraq was an absolute necessity….”

    -Wes,

    I agreed with Bush, and 97 Senators, to use force in Iraq.

    I NEVER called it an “absolute necessity”, so please don’t make asinine comments like that.

    As for not joining the military when I was 18-22 or so, I can only say that I made a choice not to. Sue me.

  47. lisab says:

    i wonder if trump orders the military to start building

    if the dems will just green-light impeachment on day one?

  48. NYCmike says:

    “– I’d like to believe your view is correct, but Trump also attacked McCain for being a POW and saw his support in the polls rise.”

    -That is because McCain was rightfully seen more as a politician than as a military person at that stage of his life.

    And he was a mealy-mouthed, weak politician who was as interested in self-promotion as Trump is.

  49. NYCmike says:

    “– I’d like to believe your view is correct, but Trump also attacked McCain for being a POW and saw his support in the polls rise.”

    -Also, just to clarify: didn’t Trump make those statements about McCain AFTER McCain attacked him first?

  50. lisab says:

    I NEVER called it an “absolute necessity”, so please don’t make asinine comments like that.
    ———————-

    i was one of the few dissenters on the iraq war back in 2004.

    i was pleasantly surprised at the low number of casualties in the initial invasion, but it was pretty obvious they did not have enough troops to secure the country

    and firing the iraqi army was a huge mistake

  51. Robbie says:

    If you want evidence of how GWB blundered on the size of the invasion force he used in Iraq, compare what his father did.

    In 1991, there was a 750,000 man ground force assembled to throw Iraq out of a country the size of Massachusetts. The ground assault used about 500,000 men and kept another 250,000 in reserve.

    In contrast, GWB used one Army division and one Marine division to drive all the way from Kuwait to Baghdad to take over a country the size of California. A British division occupied the area around Basra, but otherwise GWB used little more than 50,000 ground troops.

    That manpower blunder, more than anything else, led to the humanitarian catastrophe in Iraq and it is the sole reason Republicans were so soundly defeated in 2006 and a big reason in 2008 (the other being the economy).

  52. lisab says:

    -Also, just to clarify: didn’t Trump make those statements about McCain AFTER McCain attacked him first?

    ——————–

    yes, and trump made the comments in an unstructured rally to make a joke at mccain … it was uncalled for, and in bad form, but trump often gets himself in trouble with unscripted remarks

    but … 99% of other politicians would have let mccain’s remarks go … it was not like a reporter asked him, trump brought it up himself

    he did the same with rosie odonnell and megyn kelley and the gop candidates that just lost in 2018 …

    if i was his campaign manager i would tell him to “zip it”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK8mneO8yvU

  53. lisab says:

    In 1991, there was a 750,000 man ground force assembled to throw Iraq out of a country the size of Massachusetts. The ground assault used about 500,000 men and kept another 250,000 in reserve.
    ————————

    turkey at the last minute refused to allow usa troops into northern iraq

  54. lisab says:

    if trump uses the military to start building the wall, it will be a constitutional crisis

    i make no prediction on who would win, but clearly the dems will freak

  55. NYCmike says:

    https://lidblog.com/louis-farrakhan-federal-cash/

    -Yip, we better keep that government open and operating on all cylinders!

  56. lisab says:

    NYC,

    a lot of congress has left town already

    some have already cleaned out their offices

  57. lisab says:

    Financial Times selects George Soros as its ‘Person of the Year’

  58. NYCmike says:

    https://nypost.com/2018/12/13/a-farebeater-crackdown-is-just-what-new-york-needs/

    -Interesting date – Bratton started at the head of the NYC Transit in 1990, same year, under Mayor Dinkins.

    Rudy then joined forces with Bratton, and together led a 2-decade long resurgence in NYC.

    Of course, too much success leads to jealousy, so NYC elected DeBlasio, and he looks to turn back the clock.

    Hopefully, a lot of people remember what it used to be like.

  59. Robbie says:

    But MAGA?

    Shawn Donnan
    @sdonnan

    This is a stunning quote from FedEx’s CEO, Fred Smith:

    “Most of the issues that we’re dealing with today are induced by bad political choices,” Smith said, including “the tariffs that the United States put in unilaterally.”

  60. Waingro says:

    Kaitlan Collins
    ?Verified account @kaitlancollins

    President Trump is starting to be irritated by criticism he’s abandoning his signature campaign promise to build a border wall. Ann Coulter declared today she won’t vote for him in 2020 if the wall isn’t built.

  61. CG says:

    Coulter should primary him.

  62. CG says:

    Straight out of the Pat Buchanan 1992 playbook after all…

  63. CG says:

    Coulter is already talking a lot about how Trump only cares about making money for Jared and Ivanka (aka “The Jews”)

    This is popcorn worthy s.tuff.

  64. CG says:

    Over 1 million dollars has already been raised online for the “Wall” that Trump has given up on.

    Watch Trump endorse this effort to get “average people” to send money for “The Wall” this way and watch for him to try to get his cut of it.

  65. CG says:

    Trump’s plan to withdraw from Syria is tremendously dangerous for the United States and our allies, including Israel. It is nothing more than a Holiday Gift to Russia and Iran.

    What kind of supposedly “conservative” President would do this?

    Is there anybody beyond Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard who might think this makes sense?

  66. Robbie says:

    We’ll see how things look in a few months, but today may well prove to be a very important day. Trump pissed off Republicans in Congress with his decision to pull out of Syria and he pissed off his base when he caved on the wall. If today is the beginning of trend and we see Trump’s backers start to move away from him, then the ballgame may change. If Trump becomes a 35% president heading into 2020, the calculus for the primary changes. Trump’s strength is his iron grip on the base. If that’s not there anymore, then…..

  67. CG says:

    The fact that there is radio silence at this hour from Ethel and Lucy on HHR is pretty telling..

  68. CG says:

    Or he may just quit…

  69. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 19, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    Or he may just quit…

    – On Tuesday, Rush said if Trump gets the wall there wouldn’t be anything else for him to do and maybe he wouldn’t run again. To me, that’s a signal Rush knows this is a crap show and he’s slowly starting to edge away.

  70. lisab says:

    Federal Reserve hikes interest rates in defiance of Trump – and its chair tells president ‘nothing will deter us’ from more raises as share prices plunge after move

    Decision comes amid a strong job market but some signs of economic cooling

  71. lisab says:

    the fed is hurting a lot of countries.

    france in particular

  72. Tina says:

    Federal reserve is stupidly raising rates, Lisab.

  73. Tina says:

    Rosie Memos??????
    Rosie Memos
    @almostjingo
    ·
    Jul 26
    This is horrible. U.S Gymnastics reached out to
    @FBI
    about #LarryNassar sexual abuse in 2015, were given video evidence that disgusted them but somehow investigation didn’t start until May 2016. During that gap 40 girls were assaulted. Wonder what
    @Comey
    and were distracted with?

    Wiretapping trump and trump associates?

  74. lisab says:

    Federal reserve is stupidly raising rates, Lisab.
    ————————-

    well … they WERE stupidly low under obama

    but the europeans just ended their stimulus, like a week ago, so this will hurt them, especially since germany and france are looking at potential downturns.

  75. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I strongly opposed to Bush invading Iraq in 2003, and still believe it was a horrible mistake. It destabilized not only Iraq, but also neighboring countries. It ended up driving most of the Christian and other religious minorities out of Iraq, and hurt them in Syria as well. Iraq under Saddam also served as a counter to the influence of Iran; who now all but controls Iraq, and has extended its reach into Syria and Lebanon. But when you break it you fix it; so we cannot turn our tail and run like Obama attempted, or like Trump is trying to do now.

  76. lisab says:

    that was my basic view sdc

    stupid to go in, but if you break it you bought it

  77. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Likewise I do not respect Turkey. They need to terms and admit the Armenian genocide; also do not believe they have a right to disrespect their large Kurdish minority, and deny them autonomy.

  78. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    78. “come to terms and admit”

  79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If you want an example of what the contents of a president’s twitter account should look like, here is an example. In posting this am not saying he should necessarily run in 2020.

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E965773283554668544&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FrealDonaldTrump%2Fstatus%2F965773283554668544

  80. jason says:

    Likewise I do not respect Turkey.”

    Me neither.

    I have a 25 pounder ready for cooking on Xmas.

  81. Bitterlaw says:

    If the military did not viciously discriminate against diabetics I would have enlisted.

  82. Robbie says:

    This is awful, but pure Trump.

    Josh Rogin
    @joshrogin

    Trump didn’t bother to invite Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Dunford to the Syria meeting and kept him in the dark until after the decision was made. #FFS https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-decision-to-withdraw-us-troops-from-syria-startles-aides-and-allies/2018/12/19/80dd8ab2-03b2-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_term=.096cd504dd4f … @karendeyoung1 reports

  83. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is awful. Fortunately, he is less awful than President Hillary Clinton would be

  84. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    84. “Trump is awful. Fortunately, he is less awful than President Hillary Clinton would be”

    Am sorry Bitter, but what Trump did in Syria is worse than anything Hillary Clinton would have done. You don’t abandon your allies in that manner; its repulsive. He did it apparently without consulting the military, including the joints chiefs chairman. He has just kicked very American who served in the military in Iraq and Syria in the teeth.

  85. Paul says:

    Russia and Turkey are happy. At least some people know how to show appreciation for Trump.

    “Russia praises US decision to pull troops out of Syria” https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/422145-russia-praises-us-decision-to-pull-out-of-syria

  86. Paul says:

    “ANKARA/WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Turkey may start a new military operation in Syria at any moment, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday, touting support from U.S. President Donald Trump even though the Pentagon has issued a stern warning to Ankara.”

    Did Trump give Erdogan approval??

  87. Wes says:

    For those saying we don’t know what will happen in the 2020 cycle, here we are at its inception:

    1) Trump made a poor foreign policy decision.

    2) Trump broke his key campaign promise.

    3) The Fed is raising rates.

    4) Mueller finally claimed a scalp.

    If this is the template for the next 22 1/2 months, then predicting the 2020 presidential outcome won’t be hard.

    The Senate has better confirm those judges post haste.

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Wes, am not sure the Democratic strategy is to remove Trump before 2020. It is possible if Pence becomes president that the public will like him and elect him in 2020.

    Am not seeing Mueller having much on Trump regarding Russian collusion. Trump’s payment to the two women may be criminal, but am not sure a president can be put on trial for a crime while in office.

    The irony is that major issues both Clinton and Trump faced revolved around the inability to store data & records in a confidential manner. Trump’s attorney Cohen was an idiot. He knew Mueller was investigating; he should have kept Trump’s legal documents encrypted and hidden away at a secure location away from his office.

    But will again say, do not know what will happen in the next two years. Am not sure the American people are as outraged about the Kurds and Syria the way I and other people I know are. And the Democratic clown show is likely to be just as bad.

    The next two years are going to be like a bad B grade movie, and there is no way to exit the theater.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t know, SDC. I am sure that Hillary would have continued Obama’s policy of contempt for Israel and the UK while embracing his free pass on Iran’s nukes. What Trump did today was stupid. I still think Hillary would have been a greater disaster.

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    Great. Rand Pail supports Trump on Syria. That proves it was a bad idea.

  91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    90. Agree Bitter, Hillary and Trump were both repulsive in their own special ways. In a lot of ways Trump has been much better on the economy. But this lesser of two evils stuff has gotten old for both of us.

  92. Wes says:

    I wasn’t discussing impeachment, SDC. If I were the Dems I’d want Trump with all his baggage to be the 2020 GOP nominee. In the unlikely event of Trump’s removal from office Dems just get Pence in the White House.

    I’ve seen radical Dems express the idea Pence would fall to impeachment too.

    That’s not going to happen. Impeachment of Pence would be a witch-hunt. The Veep has a believably clean, wholesome public persona. Trying to take him down via impeachment would be a wasted effort and a counterproductive one.

    Besides, Pence as President even without the legitimate case of being the victim of a partisan witch-hunt would likely be far more formidable than Trump as Pence doesn’t inspire the outrage and loathing Trump does. Pence is simply too much of a likable milquetoast for that.

    Thus, Dems would probably love to simply impeach Trump and have the Senate fail to convict so as to have the President seek re-election under an ethical cloud, thus being able to say Senate Republicans sided with a crook in the White House.

    You keep saying we don’t know what will happen in the future. While true, that statement doesn’t mean we lack data to evaluate things on. Things have definitely not been good for Trump since November. He needs a game changer to reassert his ability to be a viable candidate for reelection. That isn’t a guarantee—especially with his inevitable and expected but nonetheless self-inflicted wound, caving on the border wall. That hurts him with his core supporters.

    Once core supporters become disillusioned with a President, defeat for reelection becomes almost a fait accompli. See Jimmy Carter and George H. W. Bush.

    Essentially Trump looks like more of the stereotypical generic hypocritical politician with at least a potential ethical cloud who displays little actual competence in office after telling people what they wanted to hear so as to win an election.

    That’s not a good position for reelection, and I wouldn’t waste my time hoping the Dems are going to save Trump with a clown-car primary. The most likely outcome is that the Dem who emerges from the primary will have enough mainstream appeal to beat Trump. Blood in the water tends to attract many types of predators—including the most formidable ones.

  93. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    In his final act in his reign of infamy, our buddy, Jeff Flake(R-AZ), teamed-up with his master, Chris Coons, and introduced a futile bill establishing a carbon tax.
    I kid you not!
    Besides voting for(although he blocked many) conservative Judges, does Flake have any bonafide conservative values?

  94. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    McConnell(R-KY) gets screwed again by relying on the good will of Schumer(D-NY) and the Democrats. When will he learn?!Why wait until the last second and rely on Democrats to move a package of conservative Judges if the issue is so important to the conservative base?

    The article states that the the nominating process for all Judges not confirmed this year must start from scratch in the next session. BAD!

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/422085-democrats-to-block-end-of-year-judges-package

  95. Robbie says:

    Fake tough guy Trump gets pushed around by Turkey. Disgraceful and embarrassing.

    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC

    Sr US defense official tells me: The President made the decision to pull out of Syria last Fri Dec 14 after speaking with Turkish President Erdogan, who told Trump Turkish forces were planning to enter Syria to go after the Kurdish PKK and warned US troops to get out of the way.

  96. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    December 19, 2018 at 10:47 pm
    Trump is awful. Fortunately, he is less awful than President Hillary Clinton would be

    – In some ways, yes. In other ways, no.

    It’s a national disgrace the country has these two as the major party options in 2016.

  97. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 19, 2018 at 11:36 pm
    For those saying we don’t know what will happen in the 2020 cycle, here we are at its inception:
    1) Trump made a poor foreign policy decision.
    2) Trump broke his key campaign promise.
    3) The Fed is raising rates.
    4) Mueller finally claimed a scalp.
    If this is the template for the next 22 1/2 months, then predicting the 2020 presidential outcome won’t be hard.
    The Senate has better confirm those judges post haste.

    – This is on the mark. Trump is approaching, if not already there, “dead man walking” status politically.

    What continues to amaze me is Republicans in DC seem not recognize this and just continue to whistle past the graveyard about what Trump needs to do in 2020 to be successful.

    If this template continues for the next 6-9 months, I think the whispers about a primary challenge should and will become a roar.

    I continue to believe Trump’s standing within the party is a mile wide, but only an inch deep.

  98. Tina says:

    I am in Hawaii.

    Got there really late.

    Anything newsworthy?

  99. Tina says:

    Yes, I cannot sleep, 3 hour time change.

    What was the mission that gop-e had in Syria,

    I mean why were or are we there!

  100. Tina says:

    ed Lieu
    @tedlieu
    ·
    11h
    Note to liberals who now support military force in Syria because of the Kurds or Russia or Iran or Turkey or humanitarian reasons: NONE OF THOSE WAR ACTIONS WERE AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS. Only authorized use of force was to go after terrorists.
    @POTUS
    is right to withdraw troops.

    Gosh, this idiot makes too much sense,

  101. Tina says:

    The biggest thing lisab is the Fed.

    The Fed will raise interest rates and the economy will slow.

    He will cause a recession by 2020 He will not realize this until it is too late.

    If I were a Jebot, I would be very happy with this.

  102. Tina says:

    With that said, done for the day. A few hours rest and then scuba diving and then the Honolulu night cruise,

    Hopefully, the socialist son is not on board

  103. CG says:

    Time diff between SF and Honolulu is 3 hours? hmm

  104. Wes says:

    The actual time difference between San Francisco and Honolulu is two hours.

  105. Tina says:

    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    Man alive.

    Has anyone in history not named Joe Scarborough ever demeaned himself so much to win a cable news gig?
    Quote Tweet
    Jeff Flake
    @JeffFlake
    Republicans need to get serious about climate change. That’s why I introduced a revenue-neutral carbon tax bill in the House several years ago. Today, @ChrisCoons & I have introduced a bipartisan, revenue-neutral carbon tax bill that provides an honest path to clean energy.
    6:50 AM · Dec 20, 2018 · Twitter Web Client

  106. Tina says:

    Yes, 2 now. I normally come in the spring when it is 3. They just changed to 2 in late nov.

    Had a really long flight in through Lax.

    I normally go non stop with a different carrier,

  107. CG says:

    She’s as much in Hawai’i as Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate is.

  108. Robbie says:

    Wait a minute! I was told Trump’s meeting with Mr. Kim had solved everything.

    Christina Wilkie
    @christinawilkie

    NEW: North Korea says it won’t denuclearize unless the US removes its troops and nuclear umbrella from South Korea and Japan. DPRK also accused the US and Trump of misleading the world about what was agreed to at the Singapore talks last summer.

  109. CG says:

    “He wrote me beautiful letters.”

    “We fell in love.”

    And some people still choose to defend this sucker-clown.

  110. Tina says:

    Marv, if you are out there, the Pink Palace still looks especially beautiful.

  111. Robbie says:

    Looks like the morons on talk radio like four times married, pill popper Rush Limbaugh may have talked Individual 1 into shutting down the government over his never going to be built wall.

    It would be so fitting that the last act of the Tea Party Congress which came to power in 2010 is a government shutdown that will produce absolutely nothing.

    – Reporter – “What did you get in return for the shutdown other than lower approval ratings?”

    – Tea Party Member – “Nothing!”

    – Reporter – “So you lost?”

    – Tea Party Member – “Wrong. We lost nothing. This was about making a point.”

    – Reporter – “But you got nothing.”

    – Tea Party Member – “Making a point is real governance!”

  112. Messy says:

    Trump is a lunatic and Ryan is a coward.

  113. NYCmike says:

    Interesting discussion yesterday, in regard to Wes, Dubya, Iraq, Syria, any military action…..

    Wes, if one is for involvement in Syria, but has not served in the military, is that allowed under you rules? Will you be consistent and call that person a chickenhawk, or whatever other words people like you are using these days?

    Also, if one is a “conservative”, please outline the reasons for being in Syria.

    As I stated above, I was NOT FOR going into Syria….BUT, once there, I would then rely on our military leadership, with the President NOT handcuffing them in any way, to keep our soldiers safe. At this time I do not approve, and clearly do not understand, of Trump making a decision to leave Syria without the input of his military leadership.

  114. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is a lunatic and Ryan is a coward.”

    -And Obama was President for 8 years, and the world is worse off for it.

  115. NYCmike says:

    “Wait a minute! I was told Trump’s meeting with Mr. Kim had solved everything.”

    -Please show one comment where anyone said that Trump’s bluster had “solved everything”.

    Actually, please try to show one comment that said Trump had solved anything.

  116. CG says:

    “North Korea is no longer a threat.”

    Donald J. Trump
    June, 2018

  117. NYCmike says:

    My Christmas wish: for people like “CG” and Robbie to actually give a number for the amount of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS to be admitted over the next 20 years…..

    20 Million? (1m per)
    30 Million? (1.5m per)
    40 million? (2m per)
    More than that?

    Also, how many LEGAL IMMIGRANTS will Democrats demand, and how many ILLEGAL Immigrants will they demand be given legal status?

  118. NYCmike says:

    ““Wait a minute! I was told Trump’s meeting with Mr. Kim had solved everything.””

    -“CG”,

    Robbie was clearly speaking about others who stated that Trump had “solved everything”.

    Who were those people? Where are there statements?

  119. CG says:

    As the amount of illegal immigration decreases, the amount of legal immigration should be allowed to rise.

    The two things are closely tied together. The harder it is to immigrate legally, the more motivation there is to immigrate legally. An America that both defends its borders and allows more people to come legally, will see illegal immigration fall dramatically.

    We need to shut the back door to open the front door.

    Back later.

  120. CG says:

    I took Robbie to mean that Trump had said these things, i.e, “I stopped war with North Korea. Sleep well tonight.”

    Maybe you and others did not believe when Trump said these things, but you sure never criticized him for it. Instead, you attacked those who did criticize him for saying that or who have criticized him in any regard.

    Thus, that sure makes it seem like you were lockstep in support of whatever he said.

  121. NYCmike says:

    ” Instead, you attacked those who did criticize him for saying that or who have criticized him in any regard.”

    -I attacked those who criticized him for trying something different because the same people dismissed the fact that the issue was a 60-year-old issue, and one that NOBODY before him had successfully dealt with.

    You think the guy is a moron, but hold him to a higher standard than the previous Presidents who did NOTHING about the issue…..including 2 Bush Presidents.

  122. Tina says:

    BREAKING: Acting Attorney General Whitaker has been advised by ethics officials that he doesn’t need to recuse himself from Mueller’s probe – AP

    Reassigned from redactstein to Whitaker

  123. Robbie says:

    Charlie Sykes
    @SykesCharlie

    Trump’s week so far: caved on Wall, Foundation shut down, Flynn conspiracy collapses; Moscow Project letter surfaces, stock mkt drops, NK says no Nuke deal, Stone indictment looms … and to change narrative he bugs out of Syria, betrays Kurds, hands huge win to Russia and Iran.

  124. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 20, 2018 at 12:46 pm
    I took Robbie to mean that Trump had said these things, i.e, “I stopped war with North Korea. Sleep well tonight.”

    – This is correct.

  125. dylan says:

    I think the media and dems started celebrating a bit too heavily and prematurely re getting trump to cave on the wall. Looks like a veto is still very much in play if they don’t give him a PALTRY $5B which btw is about 1 day of spending.

  126. Robbie says:

    A real shocker. The stock market took a major dive after word began to circulate that Individual 1 might veto the spending bill because his never going to be built wall wasn’t part of the deal.

  127. Tina says:

    radfordfile™
    @thebradfordfile
    ·
    20h
    Paul Ryan’s Top Ten Accomplishments as Speaker:
    1.
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5.
    6.
    7.
    8.
    9.
    10. Resigning

    Spending and porking too.

  128. NYCmike says:

    https://strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20181217.aspx

    -In other news, we find out that our system is still better than any of the others, especially when Trump is President and Hillary is drinking in Chappaqua.

    Communists in China won’t allow “radical” communists to organize unions!

    🙂

  129. Tina says:

    Paulo is in route to the White House.

  130. Tina says:

    I am in route to the Pink Pallace ?Breakfast.

    Bye bye worker bees.

  131. Wes says:

    Like Mikey, whoever Bradford is doesn’t know the difference between retirement and resignation.

    Am I supposed to take this guy seriously?

  132. Robbie says:

    dylan says:
    December 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm
    I think the media and dems started celebrating a bit too heavily and prematurely re getting trump to cave on the wall. Looks like a veto is still very much in play if they don’t give him a PALTRY $5B which btw is about 1 day of spending.

    – Trump’s not getting the wall whether he signs this spending resolution today or vetoes the bill and shuts part of the government down.

    Trump has zero leverage. If he shuts down the government, he’ll get all of the blame and no wall. If he signs the bill, he won’t get his wall and his base will be mad.

  133. NYCmike says:

    Stock market tanking?

    FANTASTIC!

    Robbie, “CG”, here is your chance to get in at a lower price, since you are way below retirement age.

    I know I have ca$h ready to rock!

  134. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Like Mikey, whoever Bradford is doesn’t know the difference between retirement and resignation.
    Am I supposed to take this guy seriously?

    – Tinfoil is the victim of Russian propaganda Twitter bots and has been for a long time.

  135. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:01 pm
    Stock market tanking?
    FANTASTIC!
    Robbie, “CG”, here is your chance to get in at a lower price, since you are way below retirement age.
    I know I have ca$h ready to rock!

    – Never try and catch a falling knife. The chaos Trump has created won’t soon disappear. The market will trade unevenly for some time and there’s a good bet of a recession just as Trump hilariously tries to run for re-election.

  136. NYCmike says:

    Wes, as I posted once before, your argument is with someone else. Talk to them.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resign

  137. Wes says:

    To wit, Franken resigned by departing his seat before the next scheduled election.

    Ryan is retiring as he did not seek another term but will continue to occupy his seat till 1-3-19 when the new House takes office.

  138. NYCmike says:

    “– Never try and catch a falling knife.”

    -So why is that you only remark about the market when it is falling?

    Follow your own advice.

    I’ll keep investing, especially on the dips.

  139. NYCmike says:

    Merriam-Webster should call Wes and apologize to him for getting the definition wrong.

  140. NYCmike says:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resign

    1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.

  141. Wes says:

    Mikey from the top result of a Google search for “resignation”:

    Resignation is the formal act of giving up or quitting one’s office or position. A resignation can occur when a person holding a position gained by election or appointment steps down, but leaving a position upon the expiration of a term, or choosing not to seek an additional term, is not considered resignation.

  142. NYCmike says:

    Wes statement: “Like Mikey, whoever Bradford is doesn’t know the difference between retirement and resignation.”

    Below seen on internet, and in dictionaries across MOST of America, excluding North Carolina:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resign

    1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.

  143. NYCmike says:

    You trust Google.

    I’ll go with

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resign

    1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.

  144. Wes says:

    Merriam-Webster does not equate retirement with resignation either, Mikey, nor does the political class.

  145. Tina says:

    Merriam Webster is a Russian bot too.

    /s

  146. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:05 pm
    “– Never try and catch a falling knife.”
    -So why is that you only remark about the market when it is falling?

    – Why? Because Trump stupidly decided to start a trade war in the midst of a great economy. And predictably, it has hurt the economy because Trump has no idea what he’s doing.

    Also, it’s insane for a president to tie himself to the stick market. What the market gives, the market can take away in a moment.

  147. Wes says:

    Or rather you’ll broadly conflate separate processes to prove you’re an idiot .

  148. NYCmike says:

    Paul Ryan is 48 years old. He voluntarily left his job.

    He will work elsewhere.

    He will NOT retire.

    Thanks.

  149. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:12 pm
    Merriam Webster is a Russian bot too.

    – Bless your heart. During the Kavanaugh hearing, you were posting tweets from a fake account by the name of August Caesar claiming Trump had secret information that would blow Dr. Ford’s story out of the water.

    Are you still claiming English wasn’t your first language?

  150. NYCmike says:

    1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.

  151. Wes says:

    Since Ryan will no longer be a member of the US House, he will be retiring from Congress, having neither sought reelection nor sent a letter of resignation to the Clerk of the House expressing a determination to withdraw from office before the expiry of his term.

  152. Tina says:

    I wanted Kavanaugh to quit.

    Jebot

  153. Robbie says:

    For the love of all that’s good. Ryan retired from Congress. He didn’t resign. A resignation implies that he left office before the term ended like Nixon in 1974.

  154. NYCmike says:

    “Read definition 3.”

    -This is like a “C” student saying he was in the Top 3 of his class.

    Who are you, Thornton Melon?

  155. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:18 pm
    I wanted Kavanaugh to quit.
    Jebot

    – I was for Kasich even though I made fun of him and always supported Trump

    Tinfoil

  156. NYCmike says:

    “For the love of all that’s good.”

    1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.

    -So, both of you can call up the dictionary people and tell them to put #3 in front, or on top, of #1.

    Stop arguing with me, argue with them.

  157. Wes says:

    I cut the end of the sentence—in Mikey’s world—off in 162.

  158. Tina says:

    I wonder wear papadope wore his wire.

    Jebot.

  159. Robbie says:

    Trump announces he won’t sign the CR likely ensuring a government shutdown! The deadenders rejoice even though they still won’t get the wall.

  160. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 20, 2018 at 1:23 pm
    I wonder wear papadope wore his wire.
    Jebot.

    – Mike Flynn will never cooperate with Mueller.

    Tinfoil

  161. Wes says:

    See the headlines for the videos using “resignation” for Foley and “retirement” for Ryan?

    One announced he was quitting Congress before his term expired. The other simply didn’t file for reelection but stayed on to complete his term.

    I realize you’re an idiot, but you should be able to have some mild grasp of the difference.

  162. Wes says:

    It can be safely said Mikey is a Moron.

  163. Robbie says:

    How will the Tea Party types spin a shutdown that makes Trump even more unpopular after he’s forced to sign a bill that still doesn’t give him the wall as a win?

    Will they go with “but he fights”? That’s my guess.

  164. Tina says:

    BREAKING : Homeland Secretary Kirstjen M. Nielsen Announces Historic Action to Confront Illegal Immigration.

    EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY! The United States will begin the process of invoking Section 235(b)(2)(C) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

  165. Tina says:

    Steven Portnoy
    Steven Portnoy
    @stevenportnoy
    ·
    12m
    BREAKING: House Speaker Paul Ryan tells reporters Trump says he will NOT sign CR.

    Ryan says he’s going to put up a bill that includes border wall funding.

  166. CG says:

    This is a dumb argument but clearly there are differences between “resign” and “retire” in the political context.

    Ryan did not “resign”, he “retired.” He served out his term both as the Rep of WI 1 to which he was last elected in 2016 and as Speaker of the House to which he was last elected in Jan ’17.

    He is not “resigning” from either position in the new year, as they were never given to him to resign from.

  167. CG says:

    The end game will be Trump will settle for $5000 of “steel slats” along a 2 mile portion of the border and declare victory for his “wall.”

    Then, he will send Stephen Miller out to a Mexican restaurant, where he will promptly stiff the server out of a tip and the claim will be made that “Mexico paid for it.”

  168. Robbie says:

    The net result of a shutdown will be this.

    – Trump will get the blame and become more unpopular than he already is.
    – Trump will eventually sign a bill to reopen government in January that doesn’t include his wall.
    – The base will be angry that Trump caved and didn’t give them the wall they were never going to get anyway.

    Romney, Haley, and others should be quietly preparing for presidential runs in 2020.

  169. NYCmike says:

    Of course there are differences between the words.

    Argue with Merriam-Webster, since they are the dictionary people.

    It is always enjoyable for the “really smart ones” here to disagree with and/or choose to ignore a definition that is in an actual dictionary.

    It helps me to remember that humility is a good thing.

  170. CG says:

    Is NYC being serious with this resign/retire nonsense or just being stubborn for the lols?

    We can joke/fight about things like this here, but this is sort of a fundamental word usage mistake that could for example prevent a job applicant from being hired.

  171. NYCmike says:

    “It can be safely said Mikey is a Moron.”

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron

    -Ok, I’ll stick with Wes on this one!

    Clearly, Merriam-Webster got it wrong again!

  172. NYCmike says:

    “CG”

    -Do you not accept Merriam-Webster’s definition?

    “1. voluntarily leave a job or other position.”

    When, or how, do you determine when the dictionary is correct, and when it is wrong?

    Does your G-D speak to you at those times?

  173. CG says:

    One cannot “voluntarily leave a position or job” to which they have no claim to.

    Paul Ryan was not elected to Congress in 2018. He will not be elected Speaker in 2019 (one does not have to be a House Member to be Speaker.)

    He isn’t “leaving” any job in the technical sense. He chose not to pursue the job. Lots of NFL players in their 20s will also “retire”, and go on to get other paychecks elsewhere.

  174. CG says:

    The dictionary is correct. NYC does not understand the dictionary, but he doesn’t need to in order to hold his job, so lucky him.

    And don’t you think we have the same G-d? What non Judeo-Christian religion have you joined?

  175. NYCmike says:

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moron

    Uh oh…..included in that is this “#italian”…..damn!

    Could my 1/2 #Irish side save me?

  176. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    93. “You keep saying we don’t know what will happen in the future. While true, that statement doesn’t mean we lack data to evaluate things on.”

    The problem with making predictions as to what will happen in 2020 is we live in disruptive times. Despite those who are nostalgic for the former world of Bush/Clinton globalism, it will never come back. Trump, and too an extent, Bernie, have permanently disrupted the old order. I credit Trump for opening a dialogue with North Korea, and insisting that our supposed European allies start paying their fair share of their defense costs. Likewise it is nice to be actually talking to North Korea; in the past when they rattle their sabers we always placated them by paying them off. Plus, Trump finally took on the myth of free trade, where other countries erect trade barriers to U.S. goods, but we refuse to retaliate.

    Recently was out with a bunch of millennials, many of whom were Bernie supporters. It is amazing on how many issues we agreed. Although they strongly disliked Trump, they favored the way he disrupted the old order. We are in a new political transition; evaluating data based on past assumptions is not that useful. In 2016 it certainly lead to election predictions that were way off.

  177. CG says:

    The last three Republican Speakers “resigned”, Gingrich, Hastert, Boehner.

    They were Members of Congress and left before their terms expired, necessitating special elections.

    In a couple of weeks, Ryan will have served out his term. His replacement was elected via the normal electoral process.

    There is a complete and obvious difference in the scenarios.

  178. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    137. “The chaos Trump has created won’t soon disappear. The market will trade unevenly for some time and there’s a good bet of a recession just as Trump hilariously tries to run for re-election.”

    Believe there were predictions after Trump’s election that the stock market would tank? Stock market predictions based on politics are foolish, to put it mildly.

  179. NYCmike says:

    “Recently was out with a bunch of millennials, many of whom were Bernie supporters. It is amazing on how many issues we agreed.”

    -SDC,

    When I get together with my wife’s friends (mostly liberal), and their husbands (1/2 liberal, 1/2 normal) and children, every now and then we have discussions that head into the political direction.

    I find it fascinating when we speak – how much these liberals complain about taxes, restrictions on fixing their homes (in NJ and on Long Island), issues with schools, etc. In every instance, I simply ask if they voted for Democrats who want more government, or did they vote for politicians who want less restrictive policies, and lower taxes and smaller government…..that is when they blow a gasket at me and I have to go in the kitchen and make my tomato sauce.

  180. CG says:

    188. Since you sorta broached the topic, did your wife vote for Hillary?

  181. CG says:

    As for Trump “trying something different” with North Korea, I agree he did that.

    I don’t think it’s anything to celebrate.

    What he did was kiss up to a murderous dictator, declare a threat over, and proclaim his love and trust for the man.

    Big mistake.

    Just because other tactics had not worked, that was no reason to go completely nuts with such a dangerous tactic.

    Had Barack Obama done precisely what Trump did in regards to North Korea or Syria from the past couple of days, right-wingers on here and elsewhere would be calling for impeachment for those things alone.

  182. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:00 pm
    137. “The chaos Trump has created won’t soon disappear. The market will trade unevenly for some time and there’s a good bet of a recession just as Trump hilariously tries to run for re-election.”
    Believe there were predictions after Trump’s election that the stock market would tank? Stock market predictions based on politics are foolish, to put it mildly.

    – After he won, people didn’t believe he was stupid enough to do the things he said he would do. And for a year and a half, that was the case. Now, he’s untethered from reality and he’s acting on his own gut instinct and disregarding the sensible advice from those around him. His asinine trade war with China is catching up with him.

  183. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    102. “@tedlieu “Note to liberals who now support military force in Syria because of the Kurds or Russia or Iran or Turkey or humanitarian reasons: NONE OF THOSE WAR ACTIONS WERE AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS. Only authorized use of force was to go after terrorists. @POTUS is right to withdraw troops.
    Gosh, this idiot makes too much sense,”

    Tina, you are quoting one of the biggest loons in Congress. Here is a hint to you, the Kurds and U.S. forces working together were the ones who got rid of ISIS in Syria. There is more work to be done. You don’t turn around an abandon your allies who had been helping you, unless your completely rotten morally. How would you feel if that happened to you?

  184. Robbie says:

    The Dow is down 675 points. I’m not sure President moron understands what harm he’s doing to everything with his irrational leadership.

    I would have enjoyed watching Jason fraud defend all of this.

  185. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    191. It was about time the U.S. challenged the unfair trade practices of China. Its not just Trump who favored doing so. The “progressive” wing of the Democratic Party favors it too. No matter what happens to Trump, the Bush/Clinton globalist polices are over. There needs to be real free trade.

  186. Wes says:

    I hate to say it, SDC, because I genuinely like you and think you’re overall a valuable poster. Regardless, 185 is sheer sophistry saying nothing.

    That we live in disruptive times means nothing. We’ve had many disruptive periods in our history. Some Presidents (Roosevelt, Reagan) faces the odds and prospered. Others (Hoover, Carter) proved no match for the country’s woes and suffered because their failures.

    Nothing—literally nothing—has been a boon to Trump since the election.

    If that holds then all the handwavium about not knowing the future or hoping Dems undermine themselves with a divisive primary and poor nominee will be outed as the wishful thinking it is.

    One thing will matter in November 2020: how Americans perceive Trump. He’s shown exactly no ability to increase his standing with them since taking office. Unless that changes he’s the lamest of lame ducks. I’d like to reserve judgment, but based on the data I actually have to evaluate things with I see no point in entertaining any expectation of his victory in two years.

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    193. Robbie, this may come as a jolt to you. So prepare yourself. The stock market traditionally goes up and down, and is often influenced by temporarily by political events. It is long-term trends that matter.

  188. CG says:

    Reportedly (and maybe it’s made up), there was a Tweet from Trump during the Obama years that said if the stock market ever plunged 1000 points in 2 days, the President should immediately be impeached.

  189. Tina says:

    Tina, you are quoting one of the biggest loons in Congress. Here is a hint to you, the Kurds and U.S. forces working together were the ones who got rid of ISIS in Syria. There is more work to be done. You don’t turn around an abandon your allies who had been helping you, unless your completely rotten morally. How would you feel if that happened to you?

    Yes, noted, sdc. He is a loon.

    However, his point is valid.

    The congress could have authorized something different, but they failed to act.

    Moreover, this was not regime change.

    The goal was to rout Isis and anybody else that got in our way, like the Russians when Matthis ordered that they be destroyed,

  190. Albert Hodges says:

    President Trump is following through on his promises and long held beliefs regarding the Middle East.

    President Trump is following through on his promises regarding the Southern Border Wall.

    Dont like it? Dont vote for him.

    Oh, wait.

    It is so said that this place has simply devolved into daily posts from anti-Trump idiots who simply look for any reason to attack Trump or his supporters.

    Used to be a place for there was more going on besides trolls attacking PDJT.

    What pitiful lives the trolls must have for this to be their singular focus each day.

  191. CG says:

    In 2012, Romney said he would declare China a currently manipulator.

    Trump has not done so, out of unexplained deference to their leader.

    But we still have this destructive trade war. He had no intention of having it limited to China. He was out to get Europe and Canada too.

    This blame the globalists is a “canard.” Trump is totally a globalist as it effects him personally and the effects of isolationism speak for themselves.

  192. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    195. My feeling is that Trump may not run for re-election. But I believe his disruptive effect has changed U.S. politics permanently. And there is no going back. Nothing is definite at this point. I don’t think anyone in 2014 could have projected what happened in 2016, and feel the same about 2020 now.

  193. Tina says:

    And in Syria, like Iraq, you do not know who the enemy is,

    Remember, senator no name and The CIA stooge that ran for President “accidentally” met with them,

    And before trump became President, Obama “armed” ISIS.

  194. NYCmike says:

    “188. Since you sorta broached the topic, did your wife vote for Hillary?”

    -Yes.

    Why?

  195. NYCmike says:

    #203 – Oops, sorry about that.

    I read your question incorrectly.

    My better half voted for Trump.

  196. NYCmike says:

    Anyone out there see the Jack Ryan series on Amazon?

    Is it worth watching? Previews looked good.

  197. CG says:

    Just confirming my hunch. Thanks for answering.

  198. Waingro says:

    So are we heading for a shutdown or what?

  199. CG says:

    Oh, she did? Well my hunch was wrong then.

  200. Tina says:

    Yes, heading to a shutdown,

    My nephew just got his furlough notice designation.

    This is just a simple notice saying you will be furloughed, if there is a gubment shutdown.

    But it looks likely since isn’t the senate gone?

  201. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    What is your hunch?

    Interested to hear…..as it will be once again showing you to think incorrectly about what other people think.

  202. NYCmike says:

    I did have to convince several of her aunts to get out and vote in 2016, as they were appalled by the 2 choices.

  203. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    193. Robbie, this may come as a jolt to you. So prepare yourself. The stock market traditionally goes up and down, and is often influenced by temporarily by political events. It is long-term trends that matter.

    – LOL. Turn on the TV and watch what analysts are saying on CNBC. The recent market turmoil is due to Trump’s moronic trade war and his threat to shutdown the government. Remember when President Moron claimed he had a deal with China’s leader. the white House had to walk Trump’s lie back and then the market nosedived.

  204. NYCmike says:

    My wife also voted for Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush, McCain, and Romney.

    She disagreed with her father and/or mother on the first 3.

    Any other hunches you need to confirm?

  205. CG says:

    She’s a babe?

    Confirmable or not?

  206. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:25 pm
    195. My feeling is that Trump may not run for re-election. But I believe his disruptive effect has changed U.S. politics permanently. And there is no going back.

    – Trust me. The country is going to embrace a president who restores sanity to governance. Harding’s 1920 slogan “A return to normalcy” will be very effective.

    Regardless of what gets said on Fox News, the country is not happy with this garbage. Poll after poll shows it.

  207. NYCmike says:

    Robbie now saying that long-term trends in the market don’t matter……Paul Krugman, we found you some competition.

  208. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:30 pm
    So are we heading for a shutdown or what?

    – Absolutely. Pill popper Rush Limbaugh goaded Trump into a shutdown over Christmas while Trump is in Pam Beach playing golf.

  209. CG says:

    How “long” does the trend need to be?

    How “long” are people supposed to be patient?

    It’s an age-old question I suppose in terms of perception and politics, but we certainly look less well-off now than a year ago.

    If Trump does run for reelection and is that doesn’t change, he’s going to have even harder sledding.

  210. Waingro says:

    #209, are there 51 Senators still left in town? Would be hilarious if GOP had the numbers with a minimum quorum and Dems failed to show up in time.

  211. NYCmike says:

    “She’s a babe?”

    -She gets more beautiful with each passing day, and I find out something interesting (good and bad) about her on almost a daily basis.

    AND, (in case she is reading over my shoulder), she is always right.

  212. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    Robbie now saying that long-term trends in the market don’t matter……Paul Krugman, we found you some competition.

    – Some days it’s very difficult to engage with you. The current market turmoil is 100% the fault of Trump and his asinine trade wars and his government shutdown threat.

  213. NYCmike says:

    “How “long” does the trend need to be?

    How “long” are people supposed to be patient?”

    -What is the date of the next election?

    Presidents, last I checked, get 4-year terms.

  214. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:41 pm
    How “long” does the trend need to be?
    How “long” are people supposed to be patient?
    It’s an age-old question I suppose in terms of perception and politics, but we certainly look less well-off now than a year ago.
    If Trump does run for reelection and is that doesn’t change, he’s going to have even harder sledding.

    – However long is needed to help Trump. NYCmike’s main theme for the last two years has been “Must protect the Trump”.

  215. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:42 pm
    #209, are there 51 Senators still left in town? Would be hilarious if GOP had the numbers with a minimum quorum and Dems failed to show up in time.

    – Ron Johnson said more than half of the Republican Senators have already left DC.

  216. CG says:

    So, what is the date certain before the election that people need to look to their portfolio for an informed decision?

  217. NYCmike says:

    “The current market turmoil is 100% the fault of Trump and his asinine trade wars and his government shutdown threat.”

    -What turmoil?

    TURN OFF THE TV!

    Problem solved. My 401k is buying more stock today, since the pay period hit last night.

    At 48 years old, I am enjoying the thought of buying shares at lower prices.

    If I was 68, I would probably not be invested in the same way.

  218. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    “How “long” does the trend need to be?
    How “long” are people supposed to be patient?”
    -What is the date of the next election?
    Presidents, last I checked, get 4-year terms.

    – Shorter NYCmike. “We should be willing to lose with Trump. It would not be fair to find another candidate who could win. We must give Trump the chance to suffer a massive defeat that sets back the Republican Party for years.”

  219. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    “The current market turmoil is 100% the fault of Trump and his asinine trade wars and his government shutdown threat.”
    -What turmoil?
    TURN OFF THE TV!

    – The ostrich defense.

  220. CG says:

    Are your parents worried about their savings NYC? They are probably close in age to mine. Or are the profits from the business still enough to overcome anything?

  221. Big Joe says:

    So .. a very interesting data point from this poll that Dave posted.

    “Only 30 percent of those surveyed who said they caucused for Sanders in 2016 said they will stay with him in 2020. A majority say they are interested in campaigning for other Democratic candidates. ”

    One of the major questions coming out of the 2016 Dem primary season was whether Sanders’ support was truly support for Bernie or was it the Anti-Hillary vote. This suggests a lot of The Bern’s support was actually Anti-Hillary voters who now have a number of other choices. Should be worrisome for The Bern.

    Big Joe

  222. Robbie says:

    Give conservative hero and 2018 statewide loser Kris Kobach a chance to run and hand over a safe Senate seat to the Democrats.

    Burgess Everett
    @burgessev

    Per @JamesArkin and @DanielStrauss4, Sen. Roberts is mulling retirement. Will decide over the holidays

  223. NYCmike says:

    “– However long is needed to help Trump. NYCmike’s main theme for the last two years has been “Must protect the Trump”.”

    -Robbie,

    Actually, just in case there is a primary, your words should read ““Must protect the (Republican nominee)”.”

  224. jason says:

    The Dow is down 675 points. I’m not sure President moron understands what harm he’s doing to everything with his irrational leadership.

    I would have enjoyed watching Jason fraud defend all of this.”

    Zzzzzz…. Amoral Scumbag never gave Trump any credit for the economy and the stock market doing well so pardon me for scoffing at his attacks on Trump because the stock market is down 600 points.

    Basically you can sum up hundreds of Amoral Scumbag’s post, who has the moral fiber of a floating turd as follows:

    “I support electing a far left socialist in 2020 because Trump kicked Jeb Bush’s ass in 2016”.

    This is always what it has been about, so whenever you read any of Amoral Scumbag’s posts, just remember that and you can move on.

    As far as “defending all this” I have always opposed the physical wall idea and always said Trump’s AFL-CIO trade agenda would be harmful to the economy.

    So Amoral Scumbag, GFY.

  225. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:56 pm
    “– However long is needed to help Trump. NYCmike’s main theme for the last two years has been “Must protect the Trump”.”
    -Robbie,
    Actually, just in case there is a primary, your words should read ““Must protect the (Republican nominee)”.”

    – Must protect the candidate who can actually win a general election from the oaf the conservative base falls in love with.

  226. CG says:

    It’s going to be crazy how many Democrats there are going to be running and how they will try to do the debates, etc.

    Yesterday, there was a piece listing 45 candidates who might run. They also listed three who have (supposedly) ruled themselves out. I went ahead and added Michelle Obama and Oprah just to get to an even 50.

    I *may* do a 1-50 Power Rankings if I am bored enough on XMas.

  227. NYCmike says:

    “– The ostrich defense.”

    -Would you happen to know who Warren Buffett is?

    Read a little about him, his partner Charlie Munger, and about their attitude towards “Mr. Market”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Market

  228. CG says:

    If we listed to Warren Buffett, we would be paying much more in taxes, would we not?

  229. NYCmike says:

    Did I say anything about listening to Buffett when it came to politics?

    We are speaking about the STOCK market.

  230. CG says:

    It seems like if you are asking us to trust him without reservation on this, you are endorsing his other economic views.

    Did you mean Jimmy Buffett?

  231. NYCmike says:

    In that link to “Mr. Market”, I am not finding the word “politics” or even the word “taxes”.

  232. NYCmike says:

    I am asking both you and Robbie to refrain mentioning the market, for one very simple reason:

    BOTH of you only mention it when it goes down.

  233. CG says:

    But this is a political site in which we are talking about political implications.

    At what point does the stock market become a political problem for DJT? I am guessing, you will say never.

    On the other hand, if Obama or Hillary were President and there were declines by the day, such as we are seeing, you would be doing lots of chirping.

  234. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    December 20, 2018 at 2:56 pm
    Zzzzzz…. Amoral Scumbag never gave Trump any credit for the economy and the stock market doing well so pardon me for scoffing at his attacks on Trump because the stock market is down 600 points.

    – Jason fraud is such a prolific liar he refuses to acknowledge I said for months and months Trump had a genuine success story on the economy to discuss during the election. Too bad President Moron chose to spend his time speaking about a fake caravan crisis.

    Basically you can sum up hundreds of Amoral Scumbag’s post, who has the moral fiber of a floating turd as follows:
    “I support electing a far left socialist in 2020 because Trump kicked Jeb Bush’s ass in 2016”.

    – When a liberal is elected in 2020, it won’t be my fault. It will be the fault of Trumpaloos like you who chose to renominate an incompetent buffoon like Trump rather than nominate someone like Haley or Romney who could actually win.

    As far as “defending all this” I have always opposed the physical wall idea and always said Trump’s AFL-CIO trade agenda would be harmful to the economy.
    So Amoral Scumbag, GFY.

    – Jason fraud doesn’t support the wall, but he supports Individual 1 instructing Michael Cohen to commit a crime, he supports Trump screwing a nasty porn star while his third wife was pregnant with their only child, and he supports Trump’s insane Twitter habits which more than 67% of the country oppose.

    And oh by the way. Never forget Jason fraud said over the Summer if Republicans lost 40 seats in the House it would be fair to blame Trump. Now that a 40 seat loss happened, he refuses to blame Trump and attacks those who do.

    Jason fraud is a fraud who can’t get over the fact Rubio used his moment in the spotlight to talk about Trump wetting is pants and Trump’s hand size.

  235. Tina says:

    Trump will veto cr, absent money for the border.

    So, congresss will need to override him.

    Congress = gop-e and drat/Jebots.

  236. CG says:

    I’ve practically never mentioned the market here. (Remember you said I was a Luddite or something for not having investments to the extent you want)and I did not bring it up today either.

    But do you see how this is a political concern? If not, then you do have your head in the sand. Since your parents are at least in their 70s, do they share any concern at all with you about their savings?

  237. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “Donald J Trump was nothing but gracious to those Republicans who lost in 2018. He was a model of civility and compassion.”

    Erick Erickson
    @EWErickson

    The President was never going to have an easy time getting border wall funding, but he did himself a real disservice by crapping on various Republican congressmen by name the day after they lost in November.

  238. NYCmike says:

    “At what point does the stock market become a political problem for DJT? I am guessing, you will say never.”

    -Why would I say “never”?

    It is an objective question, in my book.

    If the economy stagnates over the next 2 years, it may make it tough for Trump to be elected, no doubt about it.

    He is already in, at best, a 50/50 chance, just like any other Republican would be.

  239. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 20, 2018 at 3:06 pm
    Trump will veto cr, absent money for the border.
    So, congresss will need to override him.
    Congress = gop-e and drat/Jebots.

    – Losers = Trump/HFC/conspiracy theorists/Tinfoil Tina

  240. CG says:

    The election is less than two years from now.

    What is the date that this becomes a political problem for Trump?

    Pick a specific date.

  241. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 20, 2018 at 3:09 pm
    He is already in, at best, a 50/50 chance, just like any other Republican would be.

    – Any sane Republican not named Trump and not facing the potential of an indictment the moment he leaves office would have a far better chance of winning in 2020 than Idiot Trump.

  242. CG says:

    We’ve gone quite a way here from those who were saying, “Cruising to reelection” and “red wave, red wave” and “every single Trump voter is staying with him and all sorts of new people now will vote for him too” and “Trump will get 40 percent of the black vote and BOOM, Game Over” to …

    “ehh, 50/50 at best.”

  243. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    40m
    Colleague Nick Kalman rpts OMB already directed State Dept to prepare for a shutdown.

  244. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    45m
    Trump tweet: So hard to believe that Lindsey Graham would be against saving soldier lives & billions of $$$. Why are we fighting for our enemy, Syria, by staying & killing ISIS for them, Russia, Iran & other locals? Time to focus on our Country & bring our youth back home..

    Goober is goobering again. He should win the presidency and change the policy, or have balls to authorize regime change,

  245. NYCmike says:

    “On the other hand, if Obama or Hillary were President and there were declines by the day, such as we are seeing, you would be doing lots of chirping.”

    -Utter and complete horsesh*t.

    I have been investing, and stayed invested, since Reagan was in office. I NEVER thought to sell when there was a change of party in the White House, or on Capitol Hill.

  246. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “Roy Moore was a fantastic candidate.”

    Erick Erickson
    @EWErickson

    Can we all admit that Doug Jones didn’t win Alabama because of social media tricksters. He won because Roy Moore wound up being unfit for the office.

  247. CG says:

    I didn’t say you would “sell”, I said you would blame them for the policies creating the declines and would be predicting severe political consequences.

  248. NYCmike says:

    “What is the date that this becomes a political problem for Trump?”

    -Let me look back at 1992, and then I will get back to you.

    It is really a very silly question, to ask for a “specific date”.

    At least wait until March 15th to ask me.

  249. CG says:

    With the legacy of Walter Cronkite in mind, must we ask the question that if Donald Trump has lost Brian Kilmeade, has he now lost America?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/20/fox-friends-host-rips-trump-over-border-chaos-irresponsible-syria-withdrawal/?utm_term=.05865ed907ef

  250. NYCmike says:

    “I didn’t say you would “sell”, I said you would blame them for the policies creating the declines and would be predicting severe political consequences.”

    -Blame them? Why?

    If the markets go down, I get to buy more shares.

    What are you not appreciating about the chance to buy stocks at a lower price?

    2007-2008 was a great time for me. I have a nice $$ cushion due to the irresponsibility of many people.

  251. CG says:

    You ask me for a specific number of legal immigrants I am asking you for a specific date.

    3/15 of ’20 or ’19?

  252. CG says:

    Was it a great time for others?

    It’s nice that you made out so well, but surely you must have an ounce of compassion for those who suffered through no fault of their own?

    Or maybe not.

  253. NYCmike says:

    You are equating numbers of people a country allows in with a random date in the future?

    WOW!

  254. CG says:

    My question should be far easier to answer.

    At what date (since you claim this is currently not a political problem for Trump in the slightest) will the Dow Jones, etc, be a liability for Trump if it keeps declining?

  255. NYCmike says:

    “It’s nice that you made out so well, but surely you must have an ounce of compassion for those who suffered through no fault of their own?”

    -How are the 2 even related in your mind?

    Am I supposed to invest foolishly to show my compassion? Is that how you choose to show compassion?

  256. CG says:

    You can make money and also have compassion for those in need I hope.

    You celebrated the Great Recession for what it did for you. There’s nothing wrong with making money, but I think you should look at a larger picture.

  257. NYCmike says:

    “CG” #263: “At what date (since you claim this is currently not a political problem for Trump in the slightest)”

    -In #247 I wrote this:

    “If the economy stagnates over the next 2 years, it may make it tough for Trump to be elected, no doubt about it.”

    Do you actually read what people write, or do you just keep getting hunches about what you think I feel?

  258. CG says:

    “two years” is a bad answer, because the election will have already been over and done with by then.

    We all should know in that in politics, perception of the economy is paramount, regardless of whatever one thinks the “true facts” are.

    A point will come, well before the actual election, where people will look at their portfolio, etc, and either determine that Trump’s policies have been good for them personally or bad for them personally.

    When will that time come?

    I happen to think that a year from now, before 2020 is officially on the calendar, perception will be baked in.

  259. NYCmike says:

    “You celebrated the Great Recession for what it did for you. There’s nothing wrong with making money, but I think you should look at a larger picture.”

    -I “celebrated”? How?

    We are speaking about investing, yes? Isn’t the purpose of investing to compound the value of the money you invest?

    The amount of $$ went up, so it was good. I didn’t go out and scold people for losing money.

    I did go out and advise my nieces and nephews to work, save, don’t borrow money, don’t spend more than you make, etc.

    You are an odd person. Especially one who claims to be “conservative”.

    Are you going to rely on the government to take care of you later in life?

  260. CG says:

    More specifically would cause you to recognize that the “economy has stagnated?”

    For now, you say this is Stock Market downturn stuff is just temporary and it’s nothing to worry about etc, and my personal views aside, I am not even trying to challenge you on that, I am willing to accept your terms, but at what point will you admit that something happened *bad* because of Donald Trump?

    All you do is defend him at all costs thus far, even as you said yesterday you would be upset if the Syria decision was made without proper consultation.

    Well, clearly it was, and yet you might as well be over it by now because “Hillary” or whatever.

  261. NYCmike says:

    Once again, as I sign off for a couple of hours, the link to “Mr. Market” says ZERO about politics and/or taxes.

    Today is one day.

    Make sure you mention the market when it is above what it is today, and then we can have a rational conversation.

  262. CG says:

    You celebrated/bragged on here moments ago about how you made $$ in 2007-2008.

    That’s fine that you did but many suffered far worse fates, and no, they are not the same people who necessarily made “irresponsible decisions.”

  263. Tina says:

    CG says:
    December 20, 2018 at 3:35 pm
    You celebrated/bragged on here moments ago about how you made $$ in 2007-2008.

    That’s fine that you did but many suffered far worse fates, and no, they are not the same people who necessarily made “irresponsible decisions.”

    This comment is more appropriate for the Kos website.

  264. CG says:

    If I live long enough to qualify for Social Security/Medicare is that “relying on the government?”, assuming the systems even exist at that point?

    I will have paid into it of course and will have done so without relying on relatives.

    One can have compassion for those in need separate and beyond asking the government to take care of them.

    It’s great that you got yours but there shouldn’t be any rooting for policies that will hurt far more in the process.

  265. CG says:

    It’s far more of a “non-conservative” or socialist view to see the economy as a finite pie in which you have to compete and win over others for your share, while they suffer in comparison.

    We need a larger pie and more opportunity across the board. That’s how I view conservatism. A recession or downturn that hurts the country is not “good” for anyone, even if some can profit from it. A person should be able to profit as others do as well.

  266. Tina says:

    Jordan
    Jordan
    @JordanChariton
    ·
    5h
    Watching
    @cnn

    @msnbc
    on Trump pulling troops out of Syria, it’s like watching a 24/7 public relations operation for U.S. intelligence agencies and neocons. I’ve seen one guest between the two channels that supports removing troops (hint hint…majority of Americans agree!)

    I hate the word neocon, they are not conservatives, just con artists.

  267. Barrett says:

    The msm can spin the market downfall as much as they want. It’s not going to change the fact that it has up days and down days.

    It’s not going to change the fact that unemployment is still 3.7% nationally, or that jobs outnumber job seekers by over 1,000,000. It’s not going to change the fact that consumer confidence is very high.

    The market will recover. Keep your money in (unless you own Apple, then you are a hipster and thus a bad person)

  268. Barrett says:

    When Barack Obama pulled troops out of Iraq, ISIS filled the void. An over-simplication, but accurate.

    Russia and Iran are counting on us to pull Troops out of Syria and make the same mistake again.

    If you criticize Obama but applaud Trump for similar actions, you are delusional. Removing troops from Syria is a stupid idea.

    So is a “Space Force”

  269. CG says:

    277 was a strong post.

  270. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    268. “You celebrated the Great Recession for what it did for you. There’s nothing wrong with making money, but I think you should look at a larger picture.””

    If NYCMike made money during the Great Recession, he should be complimented. The people who made money created jobs and helped get us out of the recession. I made money too, working in an industry that created jobs and was a major factor in getting use out of a recession, as indicated below: The big picture is capitalism works, and investors are the key to job creation and a successful economy. From a Dartmouth study:

    “Utah was among the group of states in the study, which examined fracking’s impacts on employment, income and crime from 2004 to 2012. Researchers examined Bureau of Labor Statistics and IRS data, and pored through 24,646 county year reviews for each industry.

    Overall, the research said fracking drove a 60 percent increase in this arena of employment, when overall U.S. employment jumped 10 percent during the same time period. The researchers estimate that on a national level, the fracking boom drove an increase of 725,000 jobs and reduced the country’s unemployment by a half a percentage point.”

  271. CG says:

    He was talking about his stock holdings. He works in a company his family owns and possibly they may have had to lay off workers during that time.

    It’s fine to profit from the stock market and to feel proud of that accomplishment. I am a pro-free market as it gets, but the state of the country as a whole should be considered above all in my view, and policies should be supported that have the best chance of providing opportunity to all people, whether you feel you can thrive individually or not.

  272. Wes says:

    Barrett, after the boondoggle in Iraq during the Bush Administration, staying in Iraq was no longer an option. People saying otherwise are overlooking the gross unpopularity of the war after ‘05 and ignoring the inability of a country to maintain a war once the populace has ceased supporting it.

    The results of the ‘08 elections were clear: The candidate promising to leave Iraq throttled the candidate promising to stay. That sealed the end of US presence in Iraq.

    Politically Syria was a different issue as the US never had to deal with a minefield of carnage that made maintaining a presence there impossible by turning the people against it.

    Reasoning for our presence in each country aside, that’s the principal difference between the two conflicts. Thus, Trump made a rather mystifying decision since Syria wasn’t a bete noire as Iraq had been.

  273. CG says:

    I think by the time the people voted in November 2008 it was about the economy, not Iraq.

    Ancient history now.

    Whatever one feels about the War in Iraq has nothing to do with Trump’s reckless decision to put the world at risk on a whim by retreating from fighting ISIS.

    Saying “ISIS is defeated” far too prematurely is even worse than declaring them the “JV Squad.”

  274. Tina says:

    Syria 2018 is not Iraq 2011.

    2000 troops are in Syria. The mission was to destroy Isis,not regime change.

  275. CG says:

    All the more reason to keep them there.

    What happened was that Trump got upset at being criticized at Fox and Friends over “The Wall” and literally decided to do something drastic and rash to deflect from it.

    His own State Department, Defense Department, and National Security Advisor disagreed with this and the Joint Chiefs were kept in the dark.

    Hopefully, Trump will reverse course, as he often does.

  276. Tina says:

    Steven Portnoy
    Steven Portnoy
    @stevenportnoy
    ·
    2h
    As many of his fellow senators have already departed DC, this retiring Tennessee Republican tells reporters he may not return for any more votes –

    Where is mullah corker going to? Interview with China?

  277. Tina says:

    They are coming home.

    Maybe faux news with a new president can start a new war.

    Maybe there are wmds in Syria, that both the cia and fib attested to.

  278. Barrett says:

    Wes, I am assuming you’re a Libertarian leaning Republican like I am. I’d love nothing more than to say “mission accomplished” and be able to march our troops out of there, because we have no reason to be there in the first place.

    But, we goofed up (again!). During the Obama administration, we went back and forth about this stupid “red line,” because it seems to be the American mentality to punt when it comes to being responsible for something in government.

    So Once again, we meddled in international affairs with half-measured “pin-point strikes”. I do not blame Trump for this, I blame Obama for this. When we leave, it will be a demonstration of weakness to Russia. This is the language that the Russian culture understands, so When we walk out, they walk in. Watch that region descend further into chaos.

    This is a cost benefit analysis. We don’t have 165,000 troops in Syria like we did with Iraq. That number is closer to 2,000. Having them remain there is well worth the cost.

  279. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    280. “I am a pro-free market as it gets, but the state of the country as a whole should be considered above all in my view, and policies should be supported that have the best chance of providing opportunity to all people, whether you feel you can thrive individually or not.”

    Under a capitalist system, people working for their individual profit and benefit is the basis of a nation’s prosperity. Also, it increases tax revenue, that can be used for social services. Requiring people to work for some sort of public purpose heads you into a socialist system.

  280. Robbie says:

    Scumbag Trump preparing to sellout our Afghan allies.

    Michael Del Moro
    @MikeDelMoro

    WSJ: Trump admin considering substantial drawdown of US troops in Afghanistan, could begin in several weeks

  281. Barrett says:

    #286 – I’m really hoping you are joking, and can at least give credence to the countless pictures and videos of people being gassed to death in Syria.

  282. CG says:

    None of that has anything to do with what NYC was talking about and I was responding to.

    He was saying he enjoys when the stock market goes down because he views it as an opportunity for him to make money.

    I am saying it’s fine to want to make money but an economic downturn, such as what happened in 2007-2008 is not ever something to feel good about.

  283. Tina says:

    Yes, he will do Afghanistan next.

    Bye bye cesspool.

    Go britches here and in faux news.

  284. Tina says:

    He was saying he enjoys when the stock market goes down because he views it as an opportunity for him to make money.

    Buy low and sell high, millennial.

  285. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    288. Totally agree with Barrett. Will add that when you betray allies and cut and run, it discourages other people from becoming your allies in the future. In the long-term it harms American security.

  286. CG says:

    295. I agree with that and also say it has relevance to our immigration/asylum policies with South Vietnam and Cuban refugees and the promises we made.

  287. Robbie says:

    Donald Trump is carrying out the Dennis Kucinich foreign policy. Maybe he’ll set up the Department of Peace as well.

    Disgusting. This scumbag’s presidency can’t end soon enough.

  288. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Buy low and sell high, millennial.”

    Buy low and sell high, smart investor.

  289. Tina says:

    Barrett says:
    December 20, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    #286 – I’m really hoping you are joking, and can at least give credence to the countless pictures and videos of people being gassed to death in Syria.

    Yes that is sad, but nobody can tell you who used them.

    But not my point. Mute 43, the cia, and fib stated that the wmds were “moved” from Iraq to Syria.

    Both agencies attested to this, after stating that they were in Iraq.

  290. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    December 20, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    #286 – I’m really hoping you are joking, and can at least give credence to the countless pictures and videos of people being gassed to death in Syria.

    – Tinfoil Tina’s gone around the bend. She’s a conspiracy theorist. I know you weren’t around for most of 2017 and 2018, but she’s suffered a break with reality.

  291. CG says:

    It happened long before 2017.

  292. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 20, 2018 at 4:46 pm
    Yes, he will do Afghanistan next.
    Bye bye cesspool.
    Go britches here and in faux news.

    – Your shock therapy treatments aren’t working as well as they should.

    And if you’re in Hawaii as you claim, why are you spending your time on the Internet?

  293. Tina says:

    So, maybe a. New President can invade Syria looking for the wmds,

    The so called Mute 43 brain surgeons were going to march us into Syria at the time “looking for them.”

    And let’s not forget the head of the Cia, a drat loser, and the head of the fib, Fuhrer Mulehead, who ran up a very large payouts for fib abuses under his horrible reign.

  294. Tina says:

    Tenet slam dunk.

    Fuhrer Mulehead, Iraq has wmds.

  295. Robbie says:

    One thing is certain. Mike Pence has almost certainly torched his political future through his association with scumbag Trump.

  296. Robbie says:

    Maybe we can just send Tina permanently to a sanitorium that doesn’t offer the Internet.

  297. CG says:

    305. Not necessarily if he shows the appropriate righteous indignation and betrayal when refusing to pardon him.

  298. CG says:

    Brian Kilmeade is literally the most influential person in the world. (I hope he speaks out more about Syrian policy)

    This has to really irk Doocy.

  299. Tina says:

    Zoe Tillman
    Zoe Tillman
    @ZoeTillman
    ·
    3m
    STORY: James Wolfe, a former Senate Intelligence Committee senior staffer, was sentenced to two months in prison for lying to the FBI about his contacts with reporters. The judge said the public shame and stigma wasn’t enough for someone in his position

    This was head of the corrupt Senate Select Intelligence .committee., run by Warner-burr.

  300. Robbie says:

    For some in Hawaii, Tinfoil is spending a lot of time online.

  301. Tina says:

    HOW BAD IS THE STOCK MARKET DECLINE?

    It’s painful. But Wall Street has endured far worse sell-offs.

    Year-to-date, the Dow has lost about 5 percent — just a small fraction of its 2008 plunge. And the recent losses follow an extraordinary winning streak: From its bottom in March 2009, the Dow has rocketed 250 percent. This means that investors who have held on have earned a rich profit — even including the losses since October.

    That said, the sell-off of the past two months has been severe — about 12 percent. This means the market has entered “correction” territory, commonly defined as a decline of at least 10 percent.

    Vanguard 500 time.

  302. Robbie says:

    This is the kind of leadership Jason fraud says I must support.

    Michael Weiss
    @michaeldweiss

    Who says there’s no such thing as American exceptionalism? What other country could, in the space of a few hours, make a global terrorist organization, a genocdial dictator, a regional adversary and a historical geopolitical enemy all happy at the same time?

  303. Tina says:

    Robbie says:
    December 20, 2018 at 4:58 pm
    For some in Hawaii, Tinfoil is spending a lot of time online.

    Sorry that your basement is cold and that the coop ran out of paper for your planes,

  304. CG says:

    Trump is keeping all of Jill Stein’s campaign promises.

    No wonder lisab loves him so.

  305. Tina says:

    obert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    ·
    13m
    #DeepState shaken…
    Quote Tweet
    Jake Tapper
    @jaketapper
    Multiple administration sources tell CNN they are concerned and convinced that the president may make a similar announcement about US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, and soon.

    Maybe Fuhrer Mulehead will have to “investigate.”

  306. Tina says:

    Will Chamberlain ??
    @willchamberlain
    ·
    1m
    Raise your hand if you prefer a dead Weekly Standard to dead Syrian civilians

    Crude, but curious, no more cruise ships?

    Ahoy,

  307. Tina says:

    Byron York
    ?
    @ByronYork
    Many members of the Senate and House seem absolutely outraged that they would be required to work on December 20 and perhaps December 21.

    3,518
    11:29 AM – Dec 20, 2018

    Seriously? Phuket them.

  308. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    305. “One thing is certain. Mike Pence has almost certainly torched his political future through his association with scumbag Trump.”

    How so? Pence could quite possibly become president in the next two years. What was his future as governor or Indiana — seemed the end of his political career.

  309. CG says:

    Pence could potentially become President in the next couple of months. (Very telling though that Nick Ayers is quitting government altogether)

    But I would like him for the good of the country, to just govern, and decline any intention of running in 2020 because of his association with Trump. Refusing to pardon Trump will get him some points though.

  310. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 5:08 pm
    305. “One thing is certain. Mike Pence has almost certainly torched his political future through his association with scumbag Trump.”
    How so? Pence could quite possibly become president in the next two years. What was his future as governor or Indiana — seemed the end of his political career.

    – First, I don’t expect Trump to quit before his term is up. Second, I think this is going so badly anyone associated with it will have no real political future.

  311. CG says:

    By that token, Nikki Haley is somewhat associated with it.

    The 2020 nominee should be someone who did not have electoral relations with Mr. Trump. Not a single time, never.

  312. CG says:

    So, unless we want to go for a popular outsider like Hogan or Baker, or someone completely out of the box like Hurd or Kinzinger, it pretty much gets down to Romney, Sasse, Flake, and Kasich.

    I mean if Jeb! is still a non-starter for you guys…

  313. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If you go to Trump’s twitter account, there is a video of him doing a rendition of Green Acres with Megan Mullally. It is at about two million views. Here is Megan Mullally’s twitter response:

    @MeganMullally
    omg

    @MeganMullally
    If you guys need me, i’ll be in a hole in the ground

  314. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    322. You actually think Flake is a legitimate candidate for the Republican nomination? The guy who just proposed a carbon tax with a Democratic Senator Coons? He might has well, and maybe soon will, switch parties.

    Haley is a legitimate candidate. So is Rubio and Romney. Don’t even think of Jeb.

  315. CG says:

    Flake is far more of a conservative than Trump. It’s not even close. That doesn’t mean I agree with Flake on every issue, but he is and always has been a conservative.

    I don’t know who else might run though in a primary process. It’s easier when you no longer have a job to worry about.

  316. CG says:

    Suffice to say I think Rubio’s potential as a national candidate, at least for say the next 20 years, are over.

    He did come out of his “must embrace Trump at all costs” cocoon though yesterday to take issue with the horrible Syria announcement.

  317. CG says:

    Ann Coulter is now openly pushing Tom Cotton to run against Trump in New Hampshire.

    Since Cotton won’t do it, Coulter ought to just go for it herself.

  318. CG says:

    Trump responded by unfollowing Coulter on Twitter.

    Thus far, he has resisted temptation to go after her Adam’s Apple via Tweet.

  319. Robbie says:

    James Mattis was forced out by Trump. His resignation letter says he wasn’t aligned with Trump’s goals.

    God, help us.

  320. Robbie says:

    Mattis’ resignation letter is brutal.

  321. CG says:

    Mattis quit?

    Wow, at least someone in that group left with some principle after it was clear the situation was hopeless.

    To many “average people” this will be an eye-opener.

  322. CG says:

    Is there a non-Twitter link to the resignation letter?

  323. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud says we must accept this and support this.

    John Podhoretz
    @jpodhoretz

    This is chaos of a new order. Shutdown possible. Major military moves compel departure of SecDef and seem to have no champion. White House chief of staff “acting.” Flynn sentencing weirdness. Investigations due to begin 1/2. Last 2 years may soon seem like a hootenanny.

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since polls show Trump had 80-90% approval among Republican voters, I don’t think an association with Trump is going to harm a Republican candidate. Republicans will want a successor who shares his views.

    Flake approval rating in Arizona in polls has been as low as 17%. He is listed in national polls as one of the least popular senators in the U.S. He has no chance of becoming president, believe after he is out of office he will rapidly be forgotten.

  325. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 5:41 pm
    Since polls show Trump had 80-90% approval among Republican voters, I don’t think an association with Trump is going to harm a Republican candidate. Republicans will want a successor who shares his views.

    – You do realize that to have a political future, a Republican needs more than just the base of the party, right?

  326. CG says:

    I never said Flake was going to be President. But he would be a far better one than Trump.

    I said he may run in the Republican Primary, especially if nobody else does. If he is the sole opponent to Trump, I will enthusiastically support him.

    Trump has major issues. Someone has to take the field against him. When the music stops, who knows.

    And the 17% from PPP should be seen for what it is.

    If not for “deadenders” who demand nothing but fealty to Trump, Flake would have been reelected this past November instead of turning his seat over to Ms. Sinema.

  327. Robbie says:

    John Podhoretz
    @jpodhoretz

    Mattis’s letter is astonishing. He says nothing complimentary about Trump and offers a cool critique of every aspect of Trump’s foreign policy.

  328. CG says:

    Kilmeade to Defense and Doocy to Interior could alleviate his Fox and Friends problem for a while.

  329. CG says:

    337. He’s running?

  330. Tina says:

    NBC News
    @NBCNews
    BREAKING: Defense Sec. Mattis will retire at the end of February, President Trump announces.

    Thanks for your service and defeating Isis in Syria, he departs in 2/19.

  331. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    335. “– You do realize that to have a political future, a Republican needs more than just the base of the party, right?”

    Assume you understand that to obtain the Republican nomination, Republican voters must support you in the primaries.

  332. CG says:

    Mattis clearly “resigned” but Trump, just to eff with NYCMike is declaring it a “retirement.”

  333. Robbie says:

    Sebastian Gorka for SecDef.

  334. CG says:

    341. At one point, Donald Trump was at about 1 percent among Republican primary voters.

  335. CG says:

    Yeah, as far as resignation letters go, that was about as pointed as they get.

  336. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The way it is going, I would be surprised if Trump is still president at the end of 2019. His presidency is rapidly unraveling. There are grounds the Senate could use to remove him. After losing Kelly and Mattis, I see Republican senators turning against him. It is in the interest of the Republicans to get him out as soon as possible.

  337. Tina says:

    Cannot be the policemen of the world.

    Faux News crushed,

  338. CG says:

    Welcome to the club

  339. Robbie says:

    Mattis quit because he could no longer work with Trump.

    Mitch McConnell better figure out a way to contain this fool, or we’re in big trouble.

  340. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 5:56 pm
    The way it is going, I would be surprised if Trump is still president at the end of 2019. His presidency is rapidly unraveling.

    – I doubt he’ll ever quit, but the wheels are coming off.

  341. CG says:

    Mattis takes the opportunity in the letter to basically lecture Trump about Russia and authoritarianism.

    Of course, Mattis in writing these words knew he was talking to a larger audience. Some of the words were too big for Trump to even understand.

  342. Tina says:

    MIKE Rogers a possible replacement.

  343. Robbie says:

    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC

    A senior US defense official tells me they have never seen the morale in meetings at the Pentagon worse than they have in the past few days, following announcement that President Trump is withdrawing from Syria, drawing down in Afghanistan.

  344. CG says:

    I had a hunch this morning that Mattis might quit.

    I also was wondering if there would be a

    P.S. I wrote the Op-ed.

  345. Tina says:

    Yeah a hunch typhus morning..

    Lol, it was mentioned in October that he would be leaving.

    But carry on.

  346. CG says:

    The sudden and rash Syria announcement clearly sped this up.

  347. Tina says:

    tRefuge Retweeted
    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    41m
    General Jim Mattis will be retiring, with distinction, at the end of February, after having served my Administration as Secretary of Defense for the past two years. During Jim’s tenure, tremendous progress has been made, especially with respect to the purchase of new fighting….
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    Too bad, a way better guy that Rumsfeld, the bush idiot.

  348. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The evidence is clear Trump committed a criminal act by paying off two women to keep them quiet during his campaign. He then subsequently lied about it. Mueller might be able to negotiate a plea bargain with Trump with his resignation as a condition.

  349. CG says:

    Why do I expect NYC to do a complete 180 and suddenly side with Trump on the matter of retire vs. resign?

  350. CG says:

    What’s gotten into SDC?

    Are there two of them now?

    Conjoined twins?

    I think one of them is smart.

  351. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tina, doesn’t it concern you that all of Trump’s most qualified people, including the Marine generals that advised him, are now all resigning? Are they all bad and Trump is the only virtuous person? Your not Eva Braun, don’t go into the bunker.

  352. Wes says:

    Trump has now lost Ann Coulter and SDC in one day. That doesn’t bode well.

  353. CG says:

    If he can reel Kilmeade back in, he has hope!

  354. Tina says:

    The Babylon Bee
    The Babylon Bee
    @TheBabylonBee
    ·
    Dec 19
    Trump Criticized For Breaking With Longstanding American Tradition Of Remaining In Middle Eastern Countries Indefinitely
    (link: https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-criticized-for-breaking-longstanding-american-tradition-of-remaining-in-middle-eastern-countries-indefinitely) babylonbee.com/news/trump-cri…

  355. Wes says:

    I wonder what Vegas has the over/under on a Pence Administration* at.

    *Contrary to liberals’ wet dreams, even if Dems remove Trump or force his resignation, Pence isn’t going down with him.

  356. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram’s Tweets
    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    38s
    On Fox, McCarthy says the House will have the votes to pass the interim spending bill with wall funding later tonight and send it to the Senate

    What about the senate?

  357. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 6:03 pm
    The evidence is clear Trump committed a criminal act by paying off two women to keep them quiet during his campaign. He then subsequently lied about it. Mueller might be able to negotiate a plea bargain with Trump with his resignation as a condition.

    – The Spiro Agnew option.

  358. Wes says:

    You’re in Hawaii (I think) at 1:15 PM, Tina. Why are you on the internet?

  359. Tina says:

    Faux News ( I wonder if Shepardly Smith and Geraldine are fainting) reporting that a drawdown in Afghanistan is happening.

  360. Robbie says:

    Eliana Johnson
    @elianayjohnson

    “Officials said Mr. Mattis went to the White House on Thursday afternoon in a last attempt to convince Mr. Trump to keep American troops in Syria. He was rebuffed, and told the president that he was resigning as a result” via ?@helenecooper? –

  361. Robbie says:

    In a parliamentary system, the party would meet, hold a vote of no confidence, and then remove Trump.

    This is one those days I wish we had that system.

  362. Tina says:

    I am resting at the hotel Wes. Long flight caught up with me due to late departure and not being a direct flight, I also reinjured my knee a few months ago,. How is the real estate going!

  363. Tina says:

    The Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    Jeff Flake Will Introduce Bill To Raise Taxes Before Leaving Senate (link: https://trib.al/FOnSk8w) trib.al/FOnSk8w

    Just go away., the mullah are call8ng.

  364. Wes says:

    Real estate is all right in this area, Tina. I can still make a decent living, but it was better a few years ago. Interest rate hikes aren’t going to help improve things.

  365. Tina says:

    Yeah not good with the rate rises.

    Take care, heading out soon and will definitely not be posting for a few days,

    Happy Holidays gang.

  366. Waingro says:

    Mattis resigning is terrible news. What a mess.

  367. Robbie says:

    If the Republican Party renominates Trump after all of this, it deserves every bad thing it has coming to it.

  368. Phil says:

    I’ll be shocked if he runs, Robbie.

  369. Robbie says:

    Unbelievable. Abandoning allies left and right this week. This is disgusting.

    Farrah Fazal
    @FarrahFazal

    U.S. to Withdraw About 7,000 Troops From Afghanistan, Officials Say via @NYTimes

  370. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 20, 2018 at 7:50 pm
    I’ll be shocked if he runs, Robbie.

    – In a normal, sane world, I would agree with you. However, this is not a normal, sane world. Trump looks for affirmation from Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. So long as he has their support, he will think everything is fine.

    Regrettably, I believe Trump will run again, but I hope, pray, and beg Mitt Romney and Nikki Haley to consider running. This cannot be allowed to go unchecked.

  371. NYCmike says:

    Ok, here we go:

    Mattis leaving, for people like “CG” and Robbie, should NOT be big news, since his being part of Trump’s cabinet did ZERO to lessen their criticism of Trump. Obviously, Mattis as SecDef meant NOTHING to those 2.

    In regard to myself, the main reason I kept supporting Trump’s foreign policy attempts was mainly due to Mattis. His departure is a huge blow, no doubt about it. Trump is, NOW, AT THIS CURRENT TIME, NOT ACTING in the best interests of this country.

  372. Phil says:

    If Trump was in the low 40% approval with a dynamite economy he’s looking at mid 30s with a declining economy. Sadly, that probably would be enough to finish Romney or Haley as well even though it wasn’t their administration.

    Kamala Harris to give us the most left wing administration ever. Obama will look reasonable in comparison. Hell, Venezuela might look good. LOL

  373. Robbie says:

    After another two years of this crap, what will be left of the Republican Party?

    Mitch McConnell’s main goal is the preservation of the Republican majority in the Senate. But if he and the other Republicans in the Senate don’t act, they won’t have anywhere close to a majority after 2020.

    At some point, they are going to have to have a discussion with Trump and tell him this can’t continue. I’d love to see them tell Trump he should resign, but I know that won’t happen. But they could easily tell that buffoon to cut the crap or they will no longer support any of his initiatives.

  374. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 20, 2018 at 8:38 pm
    If Trump was in the low 40% approval with a dynamite economy he’s looking at mid 30s with a declining economy. Sadly, that probably would be enough to finish Romney or Haley as well even though it wasn’t their administration.

    – This may well be true, but it remains to be seen how much voters see Trump and the Republican Party as intertwined.

    I could envision the country treating Romney or Haley well in a campaign if the Republican Party at the same time made a complete break with Trump.

    But that’s what it is going to take. In order to survive 2020 as a function political operation, the party will have to rebuke and, effectively, disown Trump.

  375. NYCmike says:

    “After another two years of this crap, what will be left of the Republican Party?”

    -You should have thought about this when you backed JEB!2016, which allowed Trump to beat the others.

    You should have thought about this when you mock “Build That Wall!”.

    You should have thought about this when you mocked The Tea Party.

    You should have thought about this when you, and other #NeverTrumpers, consistently refused to push a Republican Congress to set the agenda, as opposed to allowing Trump to say “mean” words which frightened them into submission.

  376. Phil says:

    There is no way ANY Republican will ever be treated well in any presidential campaign. The MSM will see to it as they always do. They do tend to treat dead Republican President decently…..but that’s just it. They have to be very dead.

    Where I think you are naive, Robbie is having it in your head that the only reason Trump is ripped apart is because they don’t like Trump. I’ve followed elections for decades now. It’s not just Trump – it’s any Republican. It’s always been that way.

  377. NYCmike says:

    Ironic that I asked about the “Jack Ryan” series…….Mattis was the closest person I could think of who fits that Boy Scout mold.

    #Mattis2020 if he wants it.

  378. NYCmike says:

    Let the media go wild with showing his Youtube clips to try and make him into a war-monger.

  379. Robbie says:

    Phil

    If the media’s influence was so great on presidential elections, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump wouldn’t have won.

    The public, generally, is smart enough to figure out what the best choice is. If Republicans put forward a credible national candidate in 2020 like Romney or Haley, the voters will give them a fair chance regardless of what the press throws at them.

  380. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Given the Democrats are a total clown show now, I actually think an alternative Republican ticket could win in 2020. This may reflect by Utah bias, but a Romney/Rubio ticket would work.

    Saying this, am going to say something nice about Trump. He took on the Democratic machine and the corrupt status quo. He defeated them. As I have quoted the poster WValley before, will do it again:

    “Take 10 steps back from the controversies of the day, and ask yourself: over the long term, will Trump have done more damage to the left or the right?
    Prior to the election many Rs were worried he would destroy the Republican Party. I don’t think so. He’s not a conservative and everyone knows he’s at odds with the R establishment.
    What Trump has been most successful at is truly exposing the collusion between MSM and the left. And the fact that the media fabricates and lies. It’s now widely accepted. After he’s long gone their reputation is still ruined.
    Smart, politically adept Rs of the future should be able to use this to their advantage and not be as cowed by media and political correctness as Rs of the past.
    What is frustrating for many, I think, is that it is so obvious the media credibility has been destroyed, and if Trump weren’t such a nut he could be capitalizing on it “bigly”.
    But if he weren’t such a nut he wouldn’t have had the balls to challenge them so boldly in the irst place.
    I’m grateful for the judges, and interruption of forward progress of leftist agenda the federal government. I’m sanguine about the day to day.”

    I appreciate what Trump has done. He was a wild man, and we knew had had a short shelf life. But he stopped the leftist agenda, and for that we should be thankful.

  381. dblaikie says:

    Well it has been quite a week. First of all because of the Tax Bill we had a federal Judge declare Obamacare unconstitutional, we had the GOP Congress finally pass a bill with 5 billion funding for the wall, and we are finally getting out of the morass of Syria. Yet on this site all we see is Robbie whimsically regurgitating the same bored stuff about how terrible the GOP is for supporting Trump over Jeb Bush — a good person albeit a weak one.

    What gets me concerning some of the posts here is the ability to rush to generalizations and conclusions before events play out. Now if the Government shuts down it will be on the Senate for not funding a measly small appropriation for border security that is desperately. Truthfully I was distressed that Trump was going to sell his base out. But I have learned to hold back until events play out.

    Now I suppose that Robbie will not address my post (hope I am wrong) but instead bring up redemption or that he did better than me concerning the GOP loss in the Congress. However, I have already acknowledged that I misjudged the midterms. But they are over.

  382. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – I promise I will never bring up redemption since I don’t believe in it. I don’t believe in most claims of “depression,” either.

    I hope you, your family and congregation have a Merry Christmas.

  383. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis is an All-American good guy and patriot. During his reign at the Defense Department, he neutered ISIS and did some other very positive things.
    That said, he never fit into POTUS’ worldview and POTUS said a few months ago that Mattis is a “Democrat sort of guy”. The disagreements between these two are many and important. To wit:
    1) Mattis believed that Global Warming was a National Security issue while POTUS thinks it’s a hoax.
    2) Mattis fought POTUS’ transgender policy for the military while POTUS claims that it is a readiness issue and the social engineering of the military should cease.
    3) Mattis opposed the withdrawal of the USA from the dangerous Iran Nuclear Agreement.
    4) After his Senate confirmation, Mattis wanted to hire a bunch of high level Obama leftovers at the Pentagon. He was thwarted by the Trump transition team.
    5) In the 2016 campaign, POTUS ran on withdrawals from Syria and other places after ISIS was defeated and has mentioned it frequently since being elected.His decision this week to do so, should have come as no surprise to Mattis, who probably should not have taken the position of SOD if he felt so strongly about this matter.

    Mattis did the right thing by resigning. Most others would stay and undermine an Administration via leaks.Think McMasters and Tillerson. That said, Mattis’ resignation letter was shrill and uncalled for.

    I remember the hue-and-cry when McMasters and Tillerson departed. They were replaced by John Bolton at the NSA and Mike Pompeo at State, who were much more aligned with POTUS’ worldview.
    The same will probably happen with the new Defense Secretary.

  384. Tgca says:

    If ever there is a Romney/Rubio ticket, it will be the 1st Presidential election I sit out, as I suspect many others will as well. Romney and Rubio will both sell out folks and never stand up to pressure. They would cave instantly for favorable publicity. Remember, Romney eating crow after begging for SoS job from Trump? He has absolutely no allegiance to his own beliefs and will sway with the wind.

    I could not imagine them winning. Romney lost what should have been easy election in 2012 because he could not energize the base enough to vote. He was seen as elitist and out of touch. Nothing has changed with him.

    Lil Marco went to DC and abandoned FL voters who gave him a chance. He was a fraud who thought he could run on his ethnicity. He does not impress me and I could not see myself voting for him unless I saw I could trust him again. Being Latino is not a major qualification for POTUS. As a Latino, I am not I impressed at all by Rubio. Anyone that thinks Latinos will vote for Rubio simply because he is Latin does not understand the Latino community.

  385. Tgca says:

    As for the MSM, times have changed. They are openly an arm of the Dems and not ashamed of it. No GOP candidate will ever get a fair shake with them. When 90%+ of a group admits in poll after poll they support Dems, it is not reasonable to think you will get a fair shake with them. They will eat any GOP candidate alive going forward. They will unturn every stone in their life. They will go after their kids and family to do any damage. They DON’T care because they are insulated from most of the country and rewarded with celebrity status. I suspect Trump has set a new standard, you have to be a bleeding raw knuckles type of GOP to fight and win against the onslaught of both the MSM and Libs. No other GOP candidate can stand up to the dirty tactics. They know if they keep the pressure on, these weak flakes will fold.

  386. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, I hope you have a wonderful Christmas with your family!

  387. Tgca says:

    I see our friend Bitter is depressed. Since I’m close by, I’ll take him to a flower show and cheer him up. Just throw on one of your cardigan sweaters, get out your hoodie and we’ll have a blast frolicking through greenhouse tulip gardens on this wet overcast day Bitter.

  388. Wes says:

    Tgca will rationalize anything Trump or GWB does but doesn’t trust Rubio. :: facepalm::

  389. Tgca says:

    GFY Wes and happy holidays too.

  390. Tgca says:

    I don’t rationalize Trump’s behavior but I understand he takes it to the MSM and has exposed them as frauds to the extent they are now widely distrusted and on the defense, though I don’t think they really care still.

    As for GWB, a good guy who had his successes and failures. His biggest problem was his inability to challenge those that were out to harm him and his presidency. The rest of the Bush clan became exposed as Clinton lovers. Papa “groper” Bush affiliated himself so much with Clinton’s that he wreaked of them. It’s like having all your friends being mob criminals. It’s hard to take you serious when you turn a blind eye to such corrupt folks.

  391. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Eight GOP members voted against yesterday’s CR providing Wall funding. Two of the No votes surprised me–Upton(MI) and Buck(CO). The remaining six were the usual suspects– Hurd(TX), Ros-Lightine(FL), Valadeo(FL), Amash(MI),Curbelo(FL) and Denham(CA).

  392. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Are there any GOP Presidents you have liked for their accomplishments?

  393. Tgca says:

    …and love him or hate him, know this, without Trump, we would have Madame President Clinton with 3 new liberal justices so the SCOTUS would be 6-3 (Ginsberg would be gone with a younger female radical justice replacement) and the federal judiciary would be heavily left leaning now in addition to a tax increase, higher unemployment, emboldened terrorists, open borders, more federal regulations, expanded federal social programs, and reluctant investment by businesses. Need I say more?

  394. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #402
    Correction: Denham voted Yes and Paulsen(MN) voted No.

  395. Wes says:

    Sheep, a number of them. Ask any Hedgehogger who’s been here for awhile whom I regard as the greatest President of my lifetime. He had an R denoting his political affiliation.

  396. Wes says:

    Yes, Tgca. You do rationalize literally anything and everything negative regarding Trump and GWB. Pretending otherwise doesn’t change the substance of your posts.

  397. Tgca says:

    So if my choices are between an obnoxious, in your face, narcissistic, celebrity, loud mouth who delivers on most conservative goods over fake, PC, man-hating decorum…well, spank me silly for being stoopid!

  398. Tgca says:

    Wes:

    Bite me! I don’t rationalize Trump, I support him over his adversaries. There’s a difference! He has delivered on many promises. If that means putting up with his narcissism, I’m fine by him as long as he delivers. If he fails to deliver, then he will lose my support.

    …as for the Bushes,I feel they have lost their dignity by cozying up with the Clintons and Obama’s to get their name in good graces with the Libs and MSM, forgetting how they were excoriated. …and papa “groper” made a fool of himself selling out. IMHO.

    Now how much for a back rub with a happy ending?

  399. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #406
    You are a Hedgehogger so I ask you. Thanks.

  400. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This Republican Congressman from Arizona–Schweikart– is on his way toward resignation. He was considered a future Senate or Governatorial candidate. These guys never learn!

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/422416-ethics-committee-expanding-investigation-into-gop-rep-over-finance-questions

  401. Tgca says:

    406

    GWB? Did I guess right?

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Tgca. I have only gone to one flower show. Been there. Done that.

  403. Robbie says:

    dblaikie is the best Baghdad Bob Trump could ever hope to have. He’s Leslie Nielson standing outside of the exploding fireworks store saying “Remain calm. There’s nothing to see here.”

  404. Wes says:

    Well, Sheep, if you don’t know who my favorite President is you clearly haven’t been paying attention.

  405. Robbie says:

    MAGA world will no doubt demand Sebastian Gorka be nominated.

    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC

    I am told to expect more resignations at the Pentagon in wake of Mattis.
    A senior US defense official tells me: “Make no mistake – Mattis is resigning in protest over the President’s national security policies,” a resignation based on “principle.”

  406. Wes says:

    I support Trump when I feel he does the right thing too, Tg. That doesn’t include rationalizing seeing House Republicans take it on the chin as a political reaction to Trump as a good thing as you did.

    You may claim to think the Bushes lost their dignity, but once again you said you were fine Bush ran a PC war in Iraq because of the media. Once again you rationalized.

    It’s fine if you want to rationalize all the bad as good. Just admit you’re doing it rather than trying to pretend otherwise.

  407. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    What do you think of my post at #394? It’s probably too factual for you, CG and Messy!

    As for your post at #417, The Donald said he would “drain the DC swamp” and Mattis’ withdrawal with additional Pentagon officials could be the laxative for the Pentagon’s Obama personnel.

  408. Barrett says:

    With the exit of a respected Defense Secretary, we will now have the chance to see if Trump really is “Smarter than all of the Generals.”

    This is ridiculous and this President is an absolute idiot.

  409. Barrett says:

    Maybe our SPACE FORCE!!!!! will save the day!

  410. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #419
    Add: Rasmussen(less) has The Donald’s approval at 49% today.

    Note:Gallup will go from weekly Presidential Tracking to monthly.

  411. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 21, 2018 at 10:49 am
    Robbie
    What do you think of my post at #394? It’s probably too factual for you, CG and Messy!
    As for your post at #417, The Donald said he would “drain the DC swamp” and Mattis’ withdrawal with additional Pentagon officials could be the laxative for the Pentagon’s Obama personnel.

    – I think Donald Trump is insane, corrupt, and a lunatic who has no business being president. And I think oafs like you who support this crap are as much of the problem as Trump is. Your opinions and views mean less to me than a puddle of rat piss.

    You are supporting a fool who is wrecking the country and destroying the Republican Party in the process. Of course, you’ll believe whatever BS Fox News serves up to you and just repeat “drain the swamp” like you’re some sort of windup doll.

    Again, I look forward to seeing Donald Trump, your hero, suffer a massive defeat in 2020. And I look forward to hearing the batsh!t crazy excuses you and your pro-Trump brethren will offer to excuse Trump’s massive defeat that ushers in an era of liberalism on steroids.

    In 2021, you dipsh!ts who support Trump without reservation and lap up whatever lies he tells you will be responsible for universal healthcare, free college tuition for all, 15 justices on the Supreme Court, and whatever else the Democrat who beats Trump passes.

  412. Robbie says:

    Ha! Trump sure showed Obama holdover *checks notes* former Republican Congressman Mike Pompeo. So glad Trump is draining the swamp by becoming Erdogan’s errand boy.

    Josh Kraushaar
    @HotlineJosh

    “Pompeo, Mattis prepared a list of talking points for Trump to tell Erdogan to back off.

    But Trump, who had previously accepted such advice and convinced the Turkish leader not to attack the Kurds and put U.S. troops at risk, ignored the script.”

  413. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 21, 2018 at 11:03 am
    #419
    Add: Rasmussen(less) has The Donald’s approval at 49% today.

    – The last refuge of moron Trump supporters in the Rasmussen poll. Sure. Let’s believe a poll which suggested Republicans would win the generic vote in 2018 when they, in fact, lost the national House vote by 9 points. Great idea MAGA world.

    Strange how MAGA world focues on laughable Rasmussen but ignores every other poll which shows Trump’s approval 43% or lower.

  414. sandiegocitizen says:

    423. Robbie, you forgot to mention the meteor that Trump will cause to hit the Earth and destroy life as we no it.

    You certainly can be vitriolic in your hatred of Trump.

  415. Marv says:

    Tina,

    So you’re in Hawaii……yep, the Pink Palace is always to beautiful spot to visit, particularly the Mai Tai Bar. Where are you staying this trip?

  416. Robbie says:

    Great PR strategy for the White House. Pick a fight with the one guy who could make or break Trump’s presidency.

    Debra J. Saunders
    @debrajsaunders

    Talking to reporter @hogangidley45 said, “I don’t know that Sen McConnell is concerned about the country.”

  417. Waingro says:

    Effort to nuke the filibuster for the wall funding goes down in flames. Outgoing RINO’s Flake, Alexander and Hatch all NO’s. So ends that.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/21/senate-trump-wall-1072331?fbclid=IwAR02FE3G2MhRG5DzFXpnGTMBP48SFczTH8nRVLe84r-LqXeJjXsjRCm_Gmc

  418. Robbie says:

    sandiegocitizen says:
    December 21, 2018 at 11:42 am
    423. Robbie, you forgot to mention the meteor that Trump will cause to hit the Earth and destroy life as we no it.
    You certainly can be vitriolic in your hatred of Trump.

    – 1. Trump is a scumbag and an incompetent who has no business being president. He should resign today and allow Pence to take over.

    2. I would remind you of the two years worth of insults that were thrown at me, sometimes by you, because I had the temerity to suggest Trump was leading the Republican Party to a wipeout in the House based on his very low job approval rating. I am choosing to fire back.

  419. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    December 21, 2018 at 11:55 am
    Effort to nuke the filibuster for the wall funding goes down in flames. Outgoing RINO’s Flake, Alexander and Hatch all NO’s. So ends that.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/21/senate-trump-wall-1072331?fbclid=IwAR02FE3G2MhRG5DzFXpnGTMBP48SFczTH8nRVLe84r-LqXeJjXsjRCm_Gmc

    – Why nuke the filibuster for a stupid wall two thirds of the country doesn’t support when it would lead to universal healthcare, free college tuition for all, 15 members of the Supreme Court, and countless other liberal dreams when a Democrats wins in 2020?

  420. Phil says:

    Flake will be gone in a few days. Outside of that good news and the fact that we have a two year window to put conservative judges on the courts there is very little to be cheery about if you are a Republican. As far as Trump is concerned i don’t see Trump running again and although Haley gives the GOP a shot I don’t see her getting nominated if she even runs.

    Prepare for Kamala and the transformation of America into California.

  421. Waingro says:

    “– Why nuke the filibuster for a stupid wall two thirds of the country doesn’t support when it would lead to universal healthcare, free college tuition for all, 15 members of the Supreme Court, and countless other liberal dreams when a Democrats wins in 2020?”

    Because they are going to nuke it when they gain full power anyway. Worst kept secret in DC. I would have done it MUCH earlier. Like the day after Trump’s inauguration. Although there is probably no other better time politically than now do it — 2 years before next election and a few weeks before Dems take over the House.

    I’m by no means not a full blown “BUILD THAT WALL!!” MAGA, but I do think it’s a necessary (albeit smaller than some argue) component for much needed border security.

    And a sizable part of the conservative/GOP base — whether we like it or not — that we will need motivated to turn out to vote in the future are adamant about it. A full blown cave would have depressed that faction.

    Regardless, now it looks like we head towards a shut down. My guess is come Jan 3rd, Dems in House withdraw that wall appropriation bill and sign that clean Senate CR (or send back another clean CR.) Trump then either vetoes or caves depending on the # of override votes. A mini partial shutdown over the holidays and vacations then comes to an end with a whimper.

  422. Waingro says:

    #432, Phil I hope to God you are right about Trump simply not running in 2020, but I’m not so confident. Agreed, though, that if it does happen, Pence probably gets the nomination and becomes the sacrificial lamb in a huge Dem POTUS cycle.

  423. Dylan says:

    I thought Trump used to tout how he would never tell the enemy WHEN we will be doing x, y and z including withdrawing from the battlefield. Sigh.

  424. azguy says:

    Ginsburg back in hospital. Getting closer to another trump justice.

  425. NYCmike says:

    “Ginsburg back in hospital. Getting closer to another trump justice.”

    -I hope she recovers, and then retires.

    WAY TOO MUCH happening all at once to think thru it all. The Mattis/Pompeo news is most unwelcome.

    I will reiterate, I did NOT want to go into Syria at all, but once in, and after working with certain groups, and seeing the advantages Iran/Turkey/Russia get from us leaving, I do not like Trump pulling the plug, especially since the top military brass think it is not the right thing to do.*

    *Of course, since I did NOT serve in the military, it must be pretty easy of me to place others in harms way.

  426. NYCmike says:

    “Again, I look forward to seeing Donald Trump, your hero, suffer a massive defeat in 2020. And I look forward to hearing the batsh!t crazy excuses you and your pro-Trump brethren will offer to excuse Trump’s massive defeat that ushers in an era of liberalism on steroids.

    In 2021, you dipsh!ts who support Trump without reservation and lap up whatever lies he tells you will be responsible for universal healthcare, free college tuition for all, 15 justices on the Supreme Court, and whatever else the Democrat who beats Trump passes.”

    -Robbie looks forward to a potential Republican nominee losing to the Democrat, and then places the blame for the loss on those who voted for the potential Republican nominee, while staying home and regurgitating everything the media says.

  427. dblaikie says:

    I have been called lots of things in this life, but Baghdad Bob isn’t one of them. As always Wormtongue (Robbie) refuses to debate any point made in a post. Instead he descends into mindless name calling and negative Trump drivel.

    The point in my post, Worm, was simple. The media claimed that Trump had a terrible week. My point was that the week with Trump standing for his base, a federal judge throwing out Obama Care because of the tax cut, and getting out of the morass of Syria was that actually he had a good week.

    Now if you want to disagree with my post — fine. But don’t just drivel with mindless garbage.

    By the way if you think I am Trump’s Baghdad Bob, well my only response is that you are the best example of Pavlov’s Dog outside the animal world concerning your reaction to Trump.

  428. NYCmike says:

    “I thought Trump used to tout how he would never tell the enemy WHEN we will be doing x, y and z including withdrawing from the battlefield. Sigh.”

    -Yeah, don’t understand this move at all. There are a lot of people over there probably trying to get out as soon as they can…..to anywhere else.

  429. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/gutierrez-berates-remorseless-nielsen-for-6-minutes-leaves-before-she-can-respond/

    -Robbie would support Gutierrez’s comments before supporting how Nielsen responds.

    “CG” would love that Gutierrez mentioned a “lie” about crowd size.

  430. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I am hoping that in 2020 the issue will be if President Pence will run for a full term. Trump has a history of when things get tough in a business situation, walking away from it by filing for bankruptcy. He is volatile enough to someday just resign, or reach some sort of deal with Mueller that will include his resignation.

    A leftist friend sent me this comparison between Trump and Mueller. It is hard to ignore the contrast in personal character.

    Robert S. Mueller III
    -U.S. Marine Corp Veteran
    -Vietnam Veteran
    -Bronze Star
    -Purple Heart
    -Gallantry Cross
    -Combat Action Ribbon
    -National Defense Service Medal
    -Vietnam Service Medal

    Donald Trump

    -5 time draft dodger
    -4 time casino bankrupter
    -3 times adulterer

  431. Proud Obamacon says:

    Come on guys, go nuclear. And by that I mean, nuke the filibuster. Not nuke North Korea.. The way things are going, I have the Groper in Chief at 50/50 odds to nuke NK or Venezuela in 2019. Hope to be wrong

    #WORST.PREZ.EVAHHHHH

  432. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    444. “#WORST.PREZ.EVAHHHHH”

    Actually you will be proud to know your namesake already has that honor.

  433. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sure sport, you are delusional. You willing to put money on it? 10, 20, 30 years from now how will history judge your Groper in Chief? Worst President Evah!

  434. Wes says:

    Doesn’t Carter already have the distinction of worst President ever?

  435. lisab says:

    Justice Ginsburg cancerous growths removed from lungs…

  436. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    447. “Doesn’t Carter already have the distinction of worst President ever?”

    Definitely high on the list. But Obama’s policies, and particularly the Mideast debacle he created, earned him the title.

  437. lisab says:

    Justice Ginsberg had two malignant nodules removed from her lung today,

  438. Paul says:

    Should start a countdown clock for the time left before Trump caves.

  439. Proud Obamacon says:

    Lisa, heard you the first time there. Sickening how the right cheerleads for RBG to die.

    Prayers for RBG

  440. lisab says:

    that is the latest twitter news released on ginsberg

    “The big issue for #Ginsberg is whether the lung lesions are consistent with primary lung lesions or not”

  441. lisab says:

    Post-surgery, there was no evidence of remaining disease.

  442. Wes says:

    Isn’t it amazing how Dems we’re hoping Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond would die during those Senators’ final terms but now feign outrage when Republicans are supposedly hoping Ginsburg will die?

  443. lisab says:

    it is amazing how used to propaganda dems are that they cannot handle a factual post

  444. NYCmike says:

    “A leftist friend sent me this comparison between Trump and Mueller. It is hard to ignore the contrast in personal character.”

    -Maybe Mueller should have run for President……something tells me his wonderful resume would start to look more ordinary once all coverage wasn’t aimed at propping him up.

    Jimmy Carter was a wonderful person…….I would rather NOT have such a person like him again.

  445. Big Joe says:

    Saw a headline that President Trump took a shot at Beto today. I would think that officially puts Beto into the mid to top tier of 2020 Dem candidates.

    Big Joe

  446. jason says:

    A Marxist Soviet type like ObamaCON believes in God?

    Probably only when he thinks Trump might get a third appointment.

  447. CG says:

    Maybe Mueller’s calling wasn’t to be a politician, but to be a prosecutor.

    We certainly need those, as long as people like Donald Trump roam free.

  448. NYCmike says:

    “We certainly need those, as long as people like Donald Trump roam free.”

    -You are an idiot.

    You never said anything like that about Denny Hastert.

    Trump is worse than Hastert in your eyes?

    Interesting.

  449. Proud Obamacon says:

    Same old drivel from jason while his Orange Sex Fantasy crashes and burns…

    #RESIST!!

  450. NYCmike says:

    Waiting for Wes to tell ALL non-military (former and/or current) personnel on HHR that they can’t have an opinion in terms of American involvement in Syria…….

  451. Proud Obamacon says:

    BIG Joe’s favorite Uncle Joe feels Beto’s footsteps. If Beto can catch up to Big Joe’s Uncle Joe, then Uncle Joe will not even run.

    #FEEL.THE.WAVE

  452. CG says:

    Dennis Hastert? Did I oppose his prosecution? You are actually malfunctioned.

  453. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago

    “The Democrats are trying to belittle the concept of a Wall, calling it old fashioned. The fact is there is nothing else’s that will work, and that has been true for thousands of years. It’s like the wheel, there is nothing better. I know tech better than anyone, & technology…..”

    Never knew that Trump knew tech better than anyone.

  454. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    466. “You are actually malfunctioned.”

    I have been that way all my life. Once you get used to it, is not a big deal.

  455. CG says:

    Is Trump worse than Hastert? I did not know it had to be a competition. Interesting question.

    Hastert abused underage boys. He deserved to have been caught at the time but was not. The shame will live with him for the rest of his life and he will face the ultimate judgment.

    As far as we know, Trump has not inappropriately touched anyone underage, and perhaps he has not. Still though, he bragged that can he sexually assault women upon site and get away with it because he is a “star.”

    He also abused his standing as a beauty pageant owner solely for the purpose of walking in on underage girls while they were naked or in stages of undress backstage. He laughed and chuckled about this with Howard Stern.

    If Trump were in a position of authority in a small town in the 1960s, who knows what he might have been capable of.

  456. Proud Obamacon says:

    And he knows more than our generals, and he alone can fix all our problems.

    We should probably let him rule for life, eh Trumpsters? Maybe get the Pope to coronate him Emperor Orange!

    #Not.My.President

  457. CG says:

    Hastert was prosecuted a few years back in federal court for paying hush money and attempting to cover it up, which is extremely similar to what Trump might one day be prosecuted for.

    The same prosecutors who obtained his conviction and sent him behind bars are the same sort of people who work for Robert Mueller and every other U.S. Attorney.

  458. Paul says:

    The Madness of King Donald.

  459. lisab says:

    Saw a headline that President Trump took a shot at Beto today. I would think that officially puts Beto into the mid to top tier of 2020 Dem candidates.

    ———————–

    at least VP

    people are saying Biden/Beto

    but biden/harris might be better

    it would solidly get the far far far left dems and the non-crazy dems

  460. lisab says:

    Waiting for Wes to tell ALL non-military (former and/or current) personnel on HHR that they can’t have an opinion in terms of American involvement in Syria…….

    —————————————

    there are a LOT of people among the republicans who want the usa involved militarily all around the world …

    trump is not among them

    that is one of the reasons why the bush supporters and neocons in general are anti-trump

    ghwbush, gwbush, cheney, mccain, rubio, pompeo, bill kristol, graham, kirpatrick, wolfowicz, john bolton etc. are all probably horrified about trump getting our soldiers out of syria

    but

    the libertarians are thrilled. rand and ron paul being the prominent gop libertarians.

    it sort of depends whether you are mostly driven by

    the causes of ww1 or ww2

    ww1 being caused by too many foreign entanglements

    ww2 being the result of being too hesitant to intervene early on

  461. CG says:

    Interesting that lisa lists no fewer than 5 dead people as being “horrified” at Trump’s foreign policy as well as perhaps his top two advisors on the matter.

  462. CG says:

    3 dead people

  463. lisab says:

    it should be noted that the withdrawal is part of a deal with turkey,

    which is not prepared to allowed its kurdish minority secede from Turkey

  464. CG says:

    Yes, cutting a deal with Turkey to stand aside and allow them to ethnically cleanse the Kurds and bury them in ditches.

    Has America ever been greater?

  465. lisab says:

    Interesting that lisa lists no fewer than 5 dead people as being “horrified” at Trump’s foreign policy as well as perhaps his top two advisors on the matter.
    ———————-

    yes, i know some are dead, however, they were very prominent republicans with lots of supporters

    basically, trump — for better or worse — is siding with rand and ron paul over the

    regular republican leadership.

  466. lisab says:

    it does illustrate rather dramatically the reason why many in the republican leadership don’t like trump

    bunu followed ron paul

    i would not want to on his side

  467. NYCmike says:

    Wes logic:

    “CG” is pretty brave trying to defend Kurds from the Turks with the American military, for which he did NOT volunteer.

  468. lisab says:

    “CG” is pretty brave trying to defend Kurds from the Turks with the American military, for which he did NOT volunteer.
    ———————–

    that is actually a very fair point NYC

    there are a LOT of chickenhawks on hhr

  469. CG says:

    I lost count on who might be serious and who is being sarcastic but the “chickenhawk” thing is of course something that people say out desperation.

  470. NYCmike says:

    “Has America ever been greater?”

    -Wasn’t there some issue after the 1991 Persian Gulf War where the Iraqi Army were able to fly their helicopters again, and the U.S. military was ordered to stand down?

    Was that under GHWB or Clinton?

  471. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    471. “Hastert was prosecuted a few years back in federal court for paying hush money and attempting to cover it up, which is extremely similar to what Trump might one day be prosecuted for.”

    Hastert was convicted of violating bank reporting requirements by withdrawing cash in amounts below $10,000. It is a violation know as “structuring.”

    Cohen appears to have paid Daniel through a corporate entity; he violated the law prohibiting corporations from making campaign contributions, as well as the law limiting the amount of an individual campaign contributions.

    Cohen argued the documents seized from his office could not be used against him because of attorney-client privilege. This was rejected by the court.

    The question now is did Trump know and/or authorized what Cohen did, and can he be held criminally liable. In court Cohen told the judge he made the payments: “in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office.” His plea agreement states payments were made “in order to influence the 2016 presidential election.” Cohen stated he will cooperate with the Mueller investigation.

    It looks like the Trump defense will be that the payments cannot be classified as campaign contributions. A few days ago Guiliani claimed that the payments did not violate campaign finances laws “even if a purpose was to aid the campaign” if they had a “strong personal component” such as protecting, wife, children and family from scandal. This argument failed for Jon Edwards.

    The writing is pretty much on the wall. Hopefully Mueller and Trump and work out an agreement that will result in Trump stepping down as president.

  472. lisab says:

    people who have no risk of dying

    are very quick to discount the chickenhawk argument

  473. lisab says:

    Was that under GHWB or Clinton?
    ————————-

    actually that was general Schwarzkopf

    and he said it was his greatest regret of that time

  474. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Clearly, I do not tell people who did not serve that they can’t have an opinion.

    If that was the case, over 90% of the citizens of America would remain silent.

    I do find it interesting that most here don’t bother telling Wes to stop using such silly arguments such as that……but I guess they will only do so if Wes accuses them directly.

  475. CG says:

    I suppose nobody who is unwilling to become a law enforcement officer has any grounds to complain about crime.

  476. lisab says:

    actually that was general Schwarzkopf
    ———————-

    meaning that it was schearzkopf who made that agreement and gave the order

    i saw him give a speech, and that was one of the things he was asked about

    he said he was told that the iraqis just wanted to fly so they could run their country, get medical items around etc.

    he claimed — and i believed him — that he did not know they really wanted to bomb the rebels

  477. NYCmike says:

    “actually that was general Schwarzkopf”

    -Schwarzkopf was C-I-C?

    Who knew?

  478. lisab says:

    nyc,

    i think most people are very proud to have their children serve to protect this country

    but not so many would be happy to have their child come home in a box for another country

  479. NYCmike says:

    Trump does make a person contemplate what is the right thing to do…..especially, thinking about Syria.

    Is this a place to stay involved? What is the objective?

    Afghanistan? How long do we stay?

    The flippancy with which criticism is thrown out here on HHR is slightly disturbing.

  480. CG says:

    As far as I know, Wes has never called me a “chickenhawk” (or a “neocon”.) Only the new version of GF has.

  481. Tina says:

    I do not know what it is, other than the mainstream, gop e have conducted foreign policy poorly, They need to review Reagan a bit more closely. They hollowed out the military and are supply of troops. All for blowing up the Me.

    The mute 43 gang were the worst in that regard. His dad stopped. His son never learned.

    Bush jr is one of the worst presidents in the last 50:years.

    An incompetent buffoon, who foolishly trusted the Cia and fib. The same idiots that missed 911.

  482. CG says:

    Whatever happened in 1991, it wasn’t as if we knew ahead of time, “this bad thing will happen”, as is the case now.

    Trump knows that the Kurds, our longtime allies, will be slaughtered and he just doesn’t care.

  483. lisab says:

    Schwarzkopf was C-I-C?
    ———————

    no president is going to over-rule the commander of the troops on tactical operations

    well … not since lbj

  484. CG says:

    The flippancy in which Trump ignores and disregards the military and his own civilian appointees on the matter should be far more concerning.

  485. Tina says:

    I hope wrong Wray can right the fib ship.

    Too bad McCabe, Pete the Cheat, comedy and the gang that were fired ruined its reputation.

  486. lisab says:

    Wes has never called me a “chickenhawk”
    ———————–

    it is the favourite term of tm the toady

    describing those if favour of those sending other people’s children to war

    tm having served himself

  487. CG says:

    We don’t “send children to war.”

    Adults volunteer to go.

  488. Tina says:

    Marv, I am at the Sheraton Waikiki. My choice would have been the pink palace.

    I go to Aulani in a few days.

    Merry Christmas.

  489. Tina says:

    So, the Weekly socialist is out of business?

    No more cruise lines?

  490. lisab says:

    although … to be clear

    I am NOT calling anyone a chickenhawk

  491. lisab says:

    Adults volunteer to go.
    —————————

    but not you, and that is their argument

  492. CG says:

    Not everyone is meant for military life (assuming they would be admitted, like some others, I would never have passed a physical due to medical issues.)

    Clearly, lisab would not have been allowed to enlist and that was for the best of all involved.

  493. lisab says:

    Not everyone is meant for military life
    —————————–

    but clearly that does not keep them from sending others

  494. lisab says:

    Clearly, lisab would not have been allowed to enlist and that was for the best of all involved.
    ———————————-

    yes … that is definitely true 🙂

    but i did serve my country very proudly

  495. CG says:

    As in the current POTUS? It certainly does not.

    But congrats to him on surviving the STD scare at Studio 54.

  496. lisab says:

    cg … always willing to sacrifice someone else

  497. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL The Pussy Grabber blaming Democrats for the shutdown. Hello? Remember GOP has the House, Senate and White House!! Go ahead and pass something, loooooosahs!

    #RESIST!

  498. Proud Obamacon says:

    Worst Dow week since Bush’s Great Recession 2008. Hardly a word from Hedgehoggers. I can only imagine the outrage if this happened under Obama or Hillary.. LOL! Yall are funnyyyyyyy

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHH

  499. Bitterlaw says:

    The military is forbidden from discrimination against women, minorities, and LGBTi members. Diabetics? No problem.

  500. janz says:

    Saudis and UAE are sending in forces to replace the US troops in areas controlled by Kurdish YPG group in NE Syria. There is more going on that is not being reported, as the media/pundits hysterics are building around the US withdrawal.

    But, isn’t that that the norm these days, when it involves Trump.

  501. janz says:

    “Trump Has Succeeded Where George W. Bush Failed: He Has Turned the Anti-War Left Into Passionate Neocon Warhawks and Intervention-Adventurers
    —Ace of Spades”

    It’s getting more and more ludicrous how political sides are reversing themselves because Trump (the enemy of the progressive left and elite right) is trying to be less imperialistic by disengaging in foreign wars. “Even Rachel Maddow is now in favor of a war with no clear endpoint and zero authorization from Congress.”

  502. janz says:

    I’ve been reading articles and opinions debating the wisdom of leaving Syria. At the end of it all, I don’t think it’s as cut-and-dried terrible as some here are describing. There is certainly a risk of a vacuum being created. But, there is also an opportunity for the ME to figure out their own destiny themselves. Just the fact the Saudis and UAE are stepping in as military replacements for the US, in support of the Kurds, is checking one box saying this may actually be a good decision.

    Furthermore there is this interview with Mike Lee: Syria Withdrawal By Definition Is The Opposite Of An Obama-Like Decision.

  503. Cash Cow TM says:

    –Did you know that the Fed is trying to crash the stock market?

    –Did you know that Mattis resigned so he could be in charge of prosecuting all the people listed in the unsealed indictments?
    ************************************
    I read it on Facebook.
    You all need to read Facebook to find out what is REALLY going on!

  504. lisab says:

    janz,

    the issue is that the kurds in syria and turkey want an independent state, similar to kurdistan in iraq

    however, do republicans propose taking land away from turkey, our nato ally?

    further, do republicans propose taking land away from syria?

    neither option has ever been usa policy.

  505. Marv says:

    Tina,

    Mele Kalikimaka to you and your ohana.

  506. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if the Peace Corps viciously discriminates against diabetics.

  507. JeffP says:

    I have a very good friend here in Indiana who vacationed with his good friend in a high position in the Trumph administration. Basically…he doubts Trump will run in 2020. He is expecting a Pence/Haley ticket.

  508. Messy says:

    What is sad is that Trump decided to step over his one moment of true glory, the signing of the “First Step act,” with this stupid government shutdown to get money that won’t be spent for a wall that will never be built.

    JeffP: Trump announced his candidacy for reelection the day of his inauguration and has had a bunch of rallies and TV commercials paid for by his reelection committee. So he’s running RIGHT NOW.

  509. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS THE GREATEST COMPANY EVER CREATED. PERIOD.”

    Charles Gasparino
    @CGasparino

    Prez Trump is now running the White House just like he did the Trump Org, which flirted w insolvency ran bankrupt casinos defaulted on debt put the Trump name on bdgs water and a phony college to make a buck. Its greatest achievement was creating a reality TV star who became prez

  510. Robbie says:

    JeffP says:
    December 22, 2018 at 6:53 am
    I have a very good friend here in Indiana who vacationed with his good friend in a high position in the Trumph administration. Basically…he doubts Trump will run in 2020. He is expecting a Pence/Haley ticket.

    – He’ll run again. His ego will demand it.

  511. Tina says:

    I hope failed mullah corker and failed senator Flakey do not try to introduce Daca as a way for a budget resolution.

    Keep these two idiots away,

  512. Tina says:

    Justice Roberts has shed his skin…he is the new Anthony Kennedy

    In a 5-4 decision Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to stay a federal judge’s order blocking the Trump administration’s ban on asylum for people who entered the United States outside an official port of entry.

    Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the liberal wing of the court in denying the Justice Department’s request for a stay of U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar’s injunction pending appeal.

    Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh would have granted Trump’s stay request, according to the single-page order.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/supreme-court-upholds-block-of-trump-

    Rino ?Roberts is back at it,

    Mute 43s failure is complete.

  513. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??????
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    17m
    If someone can explain to me what exactly the US strategy is in Syria and Afghanistan to defeat radical Islam then we can talk about staying

    If not it’s not worth it to our troops to be in harm’s way without a clear goal of victory

    They cannot explain their elbow from their arse.

  514. Phil says:

    No, Trump isn’t running again for the same reason some say he will – ego. His ego won’t let him go down in flames. He can read polls.

  515. Albert Hodges says:

    Roberts is not a liberal turncoat.

    The decision was a PROCESS question NOT a decision on the merits of the case.

  516. Wes says:

    I actually think I agree with Phil on this:

    Trump has never really lost anything before. Losing the presidency would be a stinging rebuke his fragile ego couldn’t take.

    Ergo, I think Trump May well be the first President since Rutherford Hayes to exit the White House by voluntarily refusing to seek retention* or reelection.

    *Retention is the term I coined for a President who ascends to the office and later seeks a full term to distinguish from reelection, which of course requires a minimum of one successful attempt for the office.

  517. Wes says:

    Oops. I forgot a key phrase in my definition. A President seeking retention becomes President without initially being elected to the office. See T. Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford.

  518. Hunter says:

    “Roberts is not a liberal turncoat.”

    WRONG! This is the same guy that upheld Obamacare twice. And now he has gladly become the new swing justice to “preserve the reputation of the Supreme Court”. Whatever that means.

    On this case, he is wrong. If this was truly a PROCESS decision, then why did Thomas, Gorsuch, Alito, and Kavanaugh dissent?

    Justice Roberts has and is continuing to play politics with SCOTUS. It’s not good for the country.

    -Hunter

  519. Tina says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    ?
    @Ocasio2018
    Next time we have a gov shutdown, Congressional salaries should be furloughed as well.

    It’s completely unacceptable that members of Congress can force a government shutdown on partisan lines & then have Congressional salaries exempt from that decision.

    Have some integrity.

    Wow, she can be right on something,

  520. Tina says:

    We are normally doomed when their is a full, government shutdown,

    Since there is only a partial shutdowns are we just partially doomed?

  521. Proud Obamacon says:

    Just checkin in yall. How’s the PROUD TRUMP SHUTDOWN workin out for yall? LOL

    Wow, GOP a complete circus! Almost feel sorry for yall..

    #RESIST!!!!!!

  522. Robbie says:

    Christmas came early for the Tea Party and NYCmike with a pointless government shutdown.

    What a perfect way for the Tea Party Congress that came to power in 2010 to end.

  523. Proud Obamacon says:

    Fox and Friends on today? Rush? Ingraham? Alex Jones?
    Groper in Chief waiting for orders from them. What’s their next move?

    LOL

    Would be funny if it weren’t completely true.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHHH

  524. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud now writing strongly worded letter to the New York Times reminding them Trump said his White House is operating like a well oiled machine and Trump never lies.

    Alex Burns
    @alexburnsNYT

    “I question whether he runs again“

    “I’m just concerned about the disarray”

    “I’m concerned about what happened in Syria and then the comments about Afghanistan”

    On a flailing president and his fraying political coalition —

    @jmartNYT @SherylNYT & me >>

    https://t.co/XQ7Q8U71zB

  525. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    December 22, 2018 at 11:08 am
    No, Trump isn’t running again for the same reason some say he will – ego. His ego won’t let him go down in flames. He can read polls.

    – I hope you are right and I am wrong, but if Trump made decisions based on polls he never would have run in 2015 because no poll ever suggested he could win the presidency much less the nomination.

  526. Robbie says:

    Albert Hodges says:
    December 22, 2018 at 11:15 am
    Roberts is not a liberal turncoat.
    The decision was a PROCESS question NOT a decision on the merits of the case.

    – This is right on the mark. I’m surprised people don’t realize the difference between a procedural vote on a stay and a decision on the merits of the case.

  527. janz says:

    Well, if Trump either loses or doesn’t run for re-election, there is always Karmela Harris, Cory Booker and a bevy of other far left dem candidates/nominees to look forward to running the country and your lives.

  528. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    December 22, 2018 at 11:30 am
    I actually think I agree with Phil on this:
    Trump has never really lost anything before. Losing the presidency would be a stinging rebuke his fragile ego couldn’t take.
    Ergo, I think Trump May well be the first President since Rutherford Hayes to exit the White House by voluntarily refusing to seek retention* or reelection.
    *Retention is the term I coined for a President who ascends to the office and later seeks a full term to distinguish from reelection, which of course requires a minimum of one successful attempt for the office.

    – Again, I hope both you and Phil are correct, but let me ask this question.

    Does anything about Trump’s behavior, especially recently, suggest he makes decisions rationally?

  529. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie:
    Maybe some of us have missed something: Haven’t the past two(2) years been ones of Peace and Prosperity in the USA?
    Also, my life has dramatically changed in the past twenty-four hours due to the partial government dysfunction? How about yours? (sarc)
    In your opinion, what is the definition of victory in Syria? In Afghanistan?
    Lastly for this post, I believe CJ Roberts is a conservative Jurist, but he:
    1) worries too much about the legacy of SCOTUS with his name attached as Chief Justice and,
    2) allows any of the 700 Federal District Court Judges to accrue the same power of the Presidency by allowing each of them to impose NATIONWIDE TRO’s on litigious matters especially those involved with National Security.
    IMHO, this is just plain wrong and dangerous.

  530. Hunter says:

    “– This is right on the mark. I’m surprised people don’t realize the difference between a procedural vote on a stay and a decision on the merits of the case.”

    WRONG! Then why did Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh dissent? Why?

    Not surprising you would take the side of the liberals + Turncoat Roberts.

    -Hunter

  531. Tina says:

    Can The NY Times get a quotation from another concerned R? I mean the same concerned Rs cited in the Slimes article, have no issues with pallets of cash to the mullahs.

  532. Tina says:

    Janz, the Saudis and UAE are now in Syria.

    They are mullah hunting and have been doing it for awhile.

    We are done there.

    Congress said 3 months in .syria, 7 years ago.

    Isis has been defeated.

    Thank you Mad Dog and Gen Flynn,

  533. Robbie says:

    Hunter says:
    December 22, 2018 at 1:30 pm
    “– This is right on the mark. I’m surprised people don’t realize the difference between a procedural vote on a stay and a decision on the merits of the case.”
    WRONG! Then why did Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh dissent? Why?
    Not surprising you would take the side of the liberals + Turncoat Roberts.
    -Hunter

    – LOL. Shove it. Let’s see how Roberts votes when this case actually makes it to the Court. And you know what? Maybe President Moron shouldn’t have attacked John Roberts publicly a few weeks ago.

  534. janz says:

    As for me, I’ve viewed Trump as a controversial man who hasn’t fit in the ideological constructs of either party. In fact he weaves his policies in a fashion that upsets both the left, right, and sometimes both at any given time. Firing Mattiis and suddenly voicing a departure of troops from Syria, though, has certainly fallen into the category of angering both sides of the aisle.

    However, when I look at the alternative choices out there, in the large field of potential dem “winners,” I’m inclined to have a wait and see position before throwing the current president under the bus, like some here seem to be doing with alacrity. IMO, circumstances will play out over time as to whether or not his decisions are disastrous or prescient. In the meantime, withering criticism over almost everything he does and says will continue, making that criteria to measure his performance or policy outcomes by less than useful

  535. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 22, 2018 at 1:30 pm
    Robbie:
    Maybe some of us have missed something: Haven’t the past two(2) years been ones of Peace and Prosperity in the USA?
    Also, my life has dramatically changed in the past twenty-four hours due to the partial government dysfunction? How about yours? (sarc)
    In your opinion, what is the definition of victory in Syria? In Afghanistan?
    Lastly for this post, I believe CJ Roberts is a conservative Jurist, but he:
    1) worries too much about the legacy of SCOTUS with his name attached as Chief Justice and,
    2) allows any of the 700 Federal District Court Judges to accrue the same power of the Presidency by allowing each of them to impose NATIONWIDE TRO’s on litigious matters especially those involved with National Security.
    IMHO, this is just plain wrong and dangerous.

    – Snore. The true believers like Sheeple are always going to be true believers. The debate isn’t worth anyone’s time.

    In their view, Trump can never fail. Trump can only be failed by those around him.

    Sadly, I’m not the least bit persuaded a massive 2020 loss by Trump would break the religious belief his true believers have in him.

  536. Tina says:

    Remenber, under tBush, the incorporator of Isis and Bama, the franchisor of Isis, we had the following policies:

    Under Bush, nothing was done because we were bogged down and his administration was a failure.

    Under Bama, Isis franchises grew rapidly. Bama armed Isis.

  537. Tina says:

    Cn and N is now concerned that Whitaker has now taken full control over The Regime of Fuhrer Mueller.

    They cite Mulehead biographer stating that
    Whitaker’s job was “to take control.”

    The firing next month will be epic.

    Destroying evidence, obstruction, and leaking.

  538. janz says:

    Tina, it’s interesting how women are supposed to be the primary haters and arbiters of doom having anything to do with Trump. Nonetheless, on HHR, you, lisab, and I are a few of the only women posting here, who also seem far less reactive and knee-jerk to the daily media hysterics surrounding this guy than most men here.

  539. Tina says:

    Janz, I learned to wait a few days,

    The Drats here and there seem to over react.

    The Syria decision does not bother me,

    I think we Rs need to be more worried about illegal immigration and healthcare. I read an Emerson poll again citing these as the top 2 issues. The economy and the muh stock market are at the bottom.

  540. lisab says:

    Bitterlaw,

    no you could serve your country in the peace corps, (or americorps for that matter)

    you just choose not to, because it is inconvenient

  541. janz says:

    #551. It’s simply the Democrat and MSM alliance continuing on their mutually destructive path towards having the dems regain their power. Unfortunately, it appears many R’s are helping them.

  542. lisab says:

    Bitterlaw,

    for your convenience, so you can choose not to serve your country easier

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps_medical_restrictions_by_country

  543. Tina says:

    Janz, interestingly enough, trump has a higher approval among R women than men,

    Among R women, it is 93 percent. Drudge had this poll a few days ago.

  544. janz says:

    Tina, I totally agree about focusing on the issues of healthcare and immigration. However, the dems really have no answer to put forward but pathways to universal heath care and open borders. These are pathetic solutions to most voters. But, scandals and Russian collusion bring out political theater which is why the dems press hard on them.

  545. janz says:

    Yeah, I chuckled after reading about that poll on drudge. Unfortunately, the news is completely filtered by the MSM, so that the viewpoints of women, not “feminists”, are either disregarded or dismisssed.

  546. Tina says:

    Chris Barron
    Chris Barron
    @ChrisRBarron
    ·
    21m
    Schumer – like a moth to the flame – will make this his shutdown.
    Quote Tweet
    Phil Mattingly
    @Phil_Mattingly
    Schumer, on the floor now: “President Trump, if you want to open the government, you must abandon the wall, plain and simple.”

  547. lisab says:

    who here is feeling the effects of the government shutdown?

  548. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie:
    In each of the below ten(10) items which have occurred during Trump’s two years as POTUS, please let us know if you are happy or unhappy with each of them. CG can also answer these items:
    1) Withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership
    2) The renegotiation of NAFTA
    3) The move of the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
    4) The FIRST STEP prison reform legislation
    5) The new Farm Bill
    6) The nominations and confirmations of Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch
    7) The economic war with China
    8) The 2017 Tax Reform Act
    9) By Executive Order, the elimination of the Individual Mandate under ObamaCare
    10) Trump’s pardons and commutations

    Would you like for me to post more issues?
    9)

  549. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I’ve donated $20 to this #GOFUNDME petition drive.
    If interested:
    https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

    Collections are touching $15 million.

  550. lisab says:

    Martina Navratilova is not having a good week on Twitter. The tennis star drew plenty of criticism Tuesday after sending out a negative tweet about trans athletes.

    The tweet — which has now been deleted — read:

    “Clearly that can’t be right. You can’t just proclaim yourself a female and be able to compete against women. There must be some standards, and having a penis and competing as a woman would not fit that standard…”

  551. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Below is a quote from the Military Times.

    Anyone who believes ISIS is defeated is a fool. Its like cutting grass, it can easily grow back (as Obama learned). And for those who believe that Saudi Arabia will take over the fight against ISIS — the Saudis funded ISIS, and will do so again because they think ISIS will challenge Iranian interests in Iraq.

    “The Trump administration’s sudden decision to order the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria has caught the U.S. national security establishment by surprise — with many experts calling the decision a mistake.
    President Donald Trump tweeted on Wednesday that ISIS had been defeated in the region, but many experts and national security analysts say that’s not the case.
    “I think the most critical problem with this decision is actually the simplest: ISIS is not defeated,” said Jennifer Cafarella, an expert covering the Syria conflict for the Institute for the Study of War.
    For one, ISIS still holds onto some rural villages scattered across the Middle Euphrates River Valley, where the terrorist group has shown some resiliency in launching large-scale counteroffensives.
    Trump’s tweet came several days after U.S. partner forces liberated the last urban ISIS stronghold of Hajin, Syria, following months of coalition air and artillery support.
    The Trump administration believes the remaining 1 percent of ISIS fighters can be eliminated by other regional and partner forces, a senior administration official told reporters Wednesday evening.
    But ISIS has shown itself capable of bouncing back, even after major defeats and setbacks on the battlefield, and it’s not entirely clear U.S. partner forces have the willingness or ability to clear small scattered pockets of ISIS fighters without coalition support.
    A potential major spoiler for the White House plan could be a large-scale Turkish military incursion into northern Syria to root out Kurdish fighters in the region — upending the primary U.S. ally fighting ISIS in the Euphrates Valley.
    Such an operation would buy ISIS time and space to regroup and plan their next steps.
    At the end of October, ISIS fighters launched a major attack as the local weather limited the U.S.-led coalition’s ability to back its partner force known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, with air power.”

    Isis is now threatening drone attacks in NYC. They have experience in using drone attacks in the Mideast. It would be an irony if Trump Tower was targeted.

  552. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #565- SDC
    So define victory in Syria. In Afghanistan.
    Also, would you like to answer the ten(10) items in above # 562?

    Lastly, are you still of the opinion that there was nothing fishy about the Democrat ballot harvesting in Orange County, CA in the November election?

  553. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yall can rationalize or stick your head in the sand all you want. Fact is, we are now living in Ron Paul’s America run by Limbaugh and Alex Jones all while our POTUS kisses up to Putin, Erdogan, and Kim Jung Un.

    I’m not longer laughing at yall and at the imposter in chief. This is now serious. I fear for the safety of my children and my family. We have surrendered to ISIS, they are emboldened and I don’t even want to think about what they may now do. Thank you Mr President you stupid miserable fraud!

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  554. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The U.S. was on the way to victory in Syria. The policy, supported by the U.S. military and Trump at the time, was to defeat ISIS militarily with the help of our allies, primarily the Kurds. Then to continue to support the Kurds in Iraq and Syria to keep ISIS from coming back. They provided the armed forces that could have accomplished this goal, and we provide logistical & air support. It contrasted with Obama’s cut and run policy that resulted in the rise of ISIS.

    Trump, without even informing his military advisers, arbitrarily reversed this policy, apparently after talking to Erdogan in Turkey. Erdogen by the way, speaks strongly in favor of the Turkish genocide against Armenian and Assyrian Christians which took place in the early 20th century. He also did not participate in the defeat of ISIS in Iraq, and appeared to be working with then in many instances. He has been hostile to Israel.

    In a vital security matter, Trump exercised shocking poor judgment, and endangered the nation’s security. It am done with him.

  555. Proud Obamacon says:

    Bruh, why consult your generals when the Orange Groper can pick up the phone and ask his heroes Erdogan and Putin for advice?

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT!!!!

  556. Proud Obamacon says:

    Thank you to all you looooosahs who voted for this traitor. Oh but at least Garland was kept off the Court. Was it worth it looosahs? You are all complicit.

    #IMPEACH!

  557. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    570. I am happy that Trump won instead of Clinton, and he did a lot of good things. Now let’s move on to an even better president — and it won’t be a leftist loon.

  558. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    570. Trump’s actions in Syria were actually a lot better than Obama’s during his first two years in office. This is why his current actions are so disturbing.

  559. Proud Obamacon says:

    “and he did a lot of good things”

    Sure, like what? Turning US into Putin’s puppet? Losing to ISIS? Making us less safe? Tanking the stock market.. wow so much WINNING!!

    Yall are delusional. Luckily, the country has woken up yall. I just hope we can make it to 2020 and then we can start to clean up this disaster.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  560. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Someone mentioned a Pence/Haley presidency. That has a nice ring to it.

  561. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    573. Whose your favorite 80-year old running for the Democratic nomination?

  562. Proud Obamacon says:

    “This is why his current actions are so disturbing”

    I thought Erdogan would give him better advice. Oh wait…

    #TRAITOR.in.CHIEF

  563. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A requirement for the Democratic nomination should be a baby picture with FDR in the background.

  564. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Whose your favorite 80-year old running for the Democratic nomination?”

    Any of them would win in a blowout. I just hope we make it to 2020.

    #RESIST

  565. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    578. “Any of them would win in a blowout. I just hope we make it to 2020.”

    Your better hope your candidates make it to 2020. Better spike the Geritol.

  566. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hoping for Dem candidates to die, you are a sick fukk. Not at all surprising seeing as who your leader is.

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  567. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    580. Your so off the wall. Spiking something is added something to it that livens people up; sure you have heard the term spike the punch.

  568. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Your better hope your candidates make it to 2020”

    That is what I was responding to. Didn’t think I’d have to clarify, but ok.

  569. janz says:

    Proud Obamacon reminds me of an MD impersonator.

  570. lisab says:

    Thank you Ruth Bader Ginsburg for your service to our country and we wish you all the best as you announce your upcoming retirement for early 2019.

  571. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab- I define serving my country as military service. Your philanthropic volunteerism does not achieve the service I was denied because of irrational hatred and discrimination against diabetics.

  572. lisab says:

    it is always best to define service as something that you cannot do

    that way you don’t have to do anything for your country

  573. Proud Obamacon says:

    What is an MD impersonator?

  574. Bitterlaw says:

    I coach 3 basketball teams (2 girls and 1 boys). I help more Americans than you did when you were abroad but I would not call it serving my country.

    lisab defines being in the Peace Corps as serving her country. Zzzzzzz. By definition, it aids another country. Still, she helped others so she gets credit. Not the credit military members deserve but worthy of a small clap.

  575. Wes says:

    Bitter is now hiding behind his pancreas and playing victim.

    He at least has an excuse. Mikey is just a self-important jingoist with a yellow streak down his spine.

  576. Wes says:

    I guess SDC won’t be explaining to me how Trump can still win because we don’t know the future anymore.

  577. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    590. Wes, there is no reason to consider the future now since Trump is committing acts of self-immolation in the here and now.

    1. In a couple of months Mueller will release his report, which is going to likely accuse Trump of crimes based on the information obtained from Cohen’s law office. Cohen is apparently in full cooperation with Mueller, so Trump’s former “fixer” is now the star witness against him. He is now, as Trump calls him, a “rat.” As a result, the Democrats are very likely to consider impeachment.

    2. Now Trump, by his rash decision to withdraw from Syria, which he made without consulting with the military, has raised serious doubts among Republican Senators about his competence as president. This follows an election which Democrats turned out in droves, and made major gains in the House. Add the fact that Kelly, Mattis and McGurk are leaving, and Senate Republicans are expressing their discomfort over the recent turn in events, it is not going to take much more for them to seriously consider jettisoning Trump. (But Trump does have Rand Paul’s support). McConnell has issued a statement in support of Mattis, regretting his resignation, and supporting our allies. There is anger in the military.

    I think Trump is mentally buckling under the pressure; and beginning to act irrationally. Making an important militarily decision after talking to the Turkish president, without consulting U.S. military leaders is unprecedented.

  578. dblaikie says:

    “I think Trump is mentally buckling under the pressure; and beginning to act irrationally. Making an important militarily decision after talking to the Turkish president, without consulting U.S. military leaders is unprecedented.”

    San Diego, you are the one who I am concerned about with this irrational drivel. Trump campaigned about pulling out from Syria and Afghanistan! It may not be wise (good arguments both sides), but it is hardly buckling under pressure. Frankly I am glad Trump buckled on agreeing to the CR without border security.
    And by the way, Presidents make decisions all the time without consulting anyone — that is the burden of of his office. To think that Trump has never been briefed about the situation in Syria and Turkey is just silly.

  579. Tina says:

    Washington D.C., Dec 21, 2018 / 02:00 pm (CNA).- A judicial nominee faced questions from Senators this month about whether membership in the Knights of Columbus might impede his ability to judge federal cases fairly. The Knights of Columbus say that no candidate for public office should have to defend his membership in a Catholic service organization.

    Senators Mazie Hirono (D-HI) and Kamala Harris (D-CA) raised concerns about membership in the Knights of Columbus while the Senate Judiciary Committee reviewed the candidacy of Brian C. Buescher, an Omaha-based lawyer nominated by President Trump to sit on the United States District Court for the District of Nebraska.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/senators-quiz-nominee-about-membership-of-extreme-knights-of-columbus-78683?__twitter_impression=true

  580. Tina says:

    December 23, 2018 at 9:28 am
    “I think Trump is mentally buckling under the pressure; and beginning to act irrationally. Making an important militarily decision after talking to the Turkish president, without consulting U.S. military leaders is unprecedented.”

    This is complete stupidity, Rather than cite unabated sources from leftist media, why don’t you cite Pompey’s interview with Laura Ingram. He mentions numerous discusssions on pulling out. They had so many meetings since 2017 that pompeo said his head almost fell off.

    So the decision was not rushed. The mission was accomplished. Congress authorized no additional use of force or regime change, Matthis was given the resources necessary to flatten Isis and the Russians who got in our way.

  581. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Wes. I am not hiding behind anything. I did everything I could to enlist. I went to West Point to be evaluated by their doctors. I took ROTC courses in college and the Colonel teaching it contacted superior officers to see if a waiver was possible. I applied to the JAG for the army, navy and marines (my eyes were not good enough for the Air Force), All said no because of the discriminatory policy.

    Your argument is bs. You never served, either, coward but you have opinions on the military. Your hero, Bill Clinton, was a draft dodging scumbag and you never criticize him. Your personal life is a mix of preying upon emotionally fragile women and treating marriage like a joke. Should you be banned from expressing opinions on personal/family issues?

    GFY again. Merry Christmas to you and Tink.

  582. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm
    Someone mentioned a Pence/Haley presidency. That has a nice ring to it.

    – I’d support that ticket in a heartbeat, but I think we also have to acknowledge Pence was been wounded by his association with this presidency. It would be very difficult for him to put distance between himself and Trump after spending four years as his dutiful and doting. Clinton was far more popular in 2000 and Gore couldn’t shake his association with Clinton or the scandals that dogged Clinton.

    Again, I would wholeheartedly support Pence, but, if there is a chance to nominate another candidate, I think a full break will be needed.

  583. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 23, 2018 at 9:28 am
    “I think Trump is mentally buckling under the pressure; and beginning to act irrationally. Making an important militarily decision after talking to the Turkish president, without consulting U.S. military leaders is unprecedented.”
    San Diego, you are the one who I am concerned about with this irrational drivel. Trump campaigned about pulling out from Syria and Afghanistan! It may not be wise (good arguments both sides), but it is hardly buckling under pressure. Frankly I am glad Trump buckled on agreeing to the CR without border security.
    And by the way, Presidents make decisions all the time without consulting anyone — that is the burden of of his office. To think that Trump has never been briefed about the situation in Syria and Turkey is just silly

    – I simply love the fact that a proud evangelical Christian like dblaikie supports a scumbag who screwed a porn star while his third wife was raising their newborn son and paid off that porn star.

    The one good aspect of this miserable presidency is it has exposed evangelical Christians as frauds who don’t care about morality as they did with Clinton, but just access as they have with Trump.

  584. Robbie says:

    Trump effectively fired James Mattis today, the only respected member of his administration, when he announced he would no longer allow Mattis to continue as defense secretary as planned until February 28. Why did the stable genius fire Mattis? Because Individual 1 was pissed off about Mattis’ resignation letter.

    But muh conservatism.

  585. Wes says:

    I never claimed to have served, Bitter, nor did I call you a coward. I called Mikey that. That said, I’ve never been an unwavering fanboy of a falsely justified and poorly handled war that cost hundreds of thousands of people—including American servicemen—their lives and set the Dems up nicely to put Obama in the White House—unlike you.

    YOU can go f uck yourself, bitch.

  586. Bitterlaw says:

    You did not call me a coward? You said I was hiding behind my pancreas. Go cut and paste some more Daily KOS talking points.

    I did not get your wedding invitation or Christmas card. Did you lose my address?

  587. dblaikie says:

    Once again, Wormtongue attacks personally without addressing the substance of what I said. The fact that I am a clergy person has nothing to do with my post. What I addressed is that Trump, agree or not, in pulling out of Syria and Afghanistan was not buckling under to pressure. And that, agree or not, he has every right to implement policy without the agreement of his advisers.

    Worm, you are pathetic! You are happy to address the posts you agree with. But for those of us who don’t think much of your hatred toward Trump all you can do is drone with a bunch of personal, meaningless, vulgar, and insipid rantings.

    Now let give me you my response to the minuscule amount of substance in your post. Donald Trump is a person who I agree with concerning his policies,but, Worm, I do not condone his behavior before he came to the Presidency — I never have. I just want to remind the folks here that in 2016, during the primaries, I was not a Trump supporter. I supported first Carson, than Rubio, than Cruz. If remember you back to those days I said that I would vote for him, even though I would have a sick stomach in doing so.

    During the election I observed how nothing seems to deter his base and because of that I realized that he was going to win. Many led by the cheer leading of MD emasculated me for that during the election cycle.

    Since he took the oath of office I have agreed with his Judicial picks, his foreign policy, tax policy, and his energy policy! I have concerns about his Trade Policy. Because I agree with the vast majority of his policies I will vote for him again.

    Now Wormtongue-Robbie, go ahead and trash my faith. Label me an idiot. Because that is what you do. Frankly I feel sorry for you because you have revealed that you don’t the capacity to address the substance of thoughts you disagree with. Of course I always hope you will prove me wrong.

  588. Marv says:

    There seems to be a degree of discord between two of my favorite posters, Wes and Bitterlaw.

    Merry Christmas and Season’s Greetings to you both.

  589. Bitterlaw says:

    Marv – I respect Wes. He can also F off. Both can be true.

    Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.

  590. Tina says:

    Muh Fired.

  591. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    I have a yellow turtleneck on right now. I am glad I saved $$$ to buy the shirt instead of slipping them in that young girl’s garter belt.

  592. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, for almost 2 years, never gave credit to Trump for picking Mattis to be SecDef.

    Now, Mattis leaving is another way to bash Trump.

    TDS is as bad as BDS.

  593. NYCmike says:

    The situation with ISIS and Saudi Arabia – is it the same now as it was before this younger leader took over?

  594. NYCmike says:

    Robbie had nothing to say about those points Sheeple put up – it’s almost like he ignores certain posts…..

  595. Messy says:

    No it’s not. BDS is inherently racist. TDS is inherently sane.

    Mattis was by far the best of Trump’s cabinet. Rex Tillerson, for example, while being right about Trump, was by far the worst Secretary of State in my lifetime. He worked hard to destroy his department and our diplomatic network abroad.

    The rest of the cabinet was as bad as him or worse.

  596. Robbie says:

    Trump is such a gutless wimp.

    Josh Dawsey
    @jdawsey1

    Trump hasn’t spoken to Mattis since Thursday. Pompeo called to tell him he was out in a week, per admin official.

  597. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 23, 2018 at 3:11 pm
    Robbie, for almost 2 years, never gave credit to Trump for picking Mattis to be SecDef.
    Now, Mattis leaving is another way to bash Trump.
    TDS is as bad as BDS.

    – Hosresh!t. But I do know that for two years you refused to criticize Trump.

  598. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 23, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    Once again, Wormtongue attacks personally without addressing the substance of what I said.

    – You deserve it.

    Trump is a scumbag, yet somehow you flap your gums about redemptive acts when it’s clear Trump has never asked for redemption because Trump has never believed he’s done anything wrong and that includes him screwing a porn star and paying her off.

    I do love the Lord of the Rings reference. What’s next a Dungeons and Dragons reference?

  599. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    December 23, 2018 at 3:19 pm
    Robbie had nothing to say about those points Sheeple put up – it’s almost like he ignores certain posts…..

    – Because Sheeple is a Trump sycophant who uses Rasmussen polls to validate his views. Using Rasmussen is so laughable, but that’s the last refuge of Trump defenders.

  600. Robbie says:

    For all the Trump lovers and Trump worshippers, his presidency will be over in two years. And when the Democrat who beats him like a rented mule signs into law universal healthcare, free college tuition for all, 15 Supreme Court justices, and other liberal dream policies, it won’t be the few of us who have correctly refused to bow to mentally insane president these last two years who are to blame. It will be the fault of the sycophants, the shills, and the enablers who idiotically demanded the party re-nominate a sure loser with an approval rating that barely broke 40% with a great economy. And with the economy now sputtering because of Tariff Man’s misguided 19th century trade wars, I can only imagine how low Individual 1’s approval rating is by Spring 2019.

  601. Tina says:

    Senator Rand Paul
    ?
    @RandPaul
    I have to tell you; I haven’t seen a Senator who loves war this much since the Star Wars Prequels. pic.twitter.com/UFU242XYQK

    1,140
    11:50 AM – Dec 23, 2018

    RAND is owning twitter today,

  602. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    NYCMike:
    Robbie will not answer my items because his replies could (1)expose him as the troll that he probably is(see his deranged post #615),(2)is a coward because he will not debate with folks who do not support his worldview and(3) is clueless on policy issues and decides his likes and dislikes based solely on personality.

    Ditto with CG.

    Tina, what say you? Should Robbie answer the policy issues I asked him to?

  603. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    615. In reading Robbie’s post, I thought I came off the wall. Showed it to a friend of mine who is a Bernie supporter — his comment was “the guy is a loon.”

    Good grief, chill out.

  604. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    December 23, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    Now Wormtongue-Robbie, go ahead and trash my faith.

    – I’m not trashing your faith. I don’t care if you handle snakes. I’m trashing the fact so many in the evangelical movement, who spent years tossing moral thunderbolts at Clinton, have become so transactional and permissive in the age of Trump. Does a circuit court judge you like really excuse a lifetime of scandalous behavior?

    What I will trash, though, is your candidate selection. Ben Carson? That guy had no business whatsoever running for president and his goofy campaign demonstrated that. That’s unless you think someone who believes the pyramids were built to store grain and not serve as tombs for the pharaohs is a reasonable position for a candidate for president to hold?

  605. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    NYCMike:
    Robbie will not answer my items because his replies could (1)expose him as the troll that he probably is(see his deranged post #615),(2)is a coward because he will not debate with folks who do not support his worldview and(3) is clueless on policy issues and decides his likes and dislikes based solely on personality.
    Ditto with CG.
    Tina, what say you? Should Robbie answer the policy issues I asked him to?

    – You believe Rasmussen is a credible poll.

  606. Tina says:

    Senator Rand Paul
    @RandPaul
    My friend Lindsay Graham is a bit mad right now. You see, he’s never seen a war end before. He’s going to have to console himself with the fact that we still are in about 8 more. I know it will be hard for him, but I think he’ll get by.

    GooberPalpaitine has been wrong for a long time,

  607. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    DK
    You see that Robbie believes that everyone who posts on HHR and challenges him is flawed.(You because you supported Ben Carson.)
    He claims he adores the Bush Family, but as far as I know, never condemned Bush41 who admitted to groping allegations.

    Do you think Robbie has a family or close friends?

  608. Tina says:

    TheLastRefuge
    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    1h
    There’s only eight words we need to hear from Leon Panetta: “I’m sorry about Libya, Syria and creating ISIS”….

    ?Funny how the crew who created the crisis poke their heads up to criticize the crew cleaning up after their crisis.

    Btw, Piñata was one of three straight defense secretaries that resigned, quit, or were fired under the Obumbler Regime.

  609. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:15 pm
    615. In reading Robbie’s post, I thought I came off the wall. Showed it to a friend of mine who is a Bernie supporter — his comment was “the guy is a loon.”
    Good grief, chill out.

    – No. I will continue. I spent the last two years absorbing all kinds of attacks (some from you) because I correctly predicted well in advance Trump’s low job approval rating would lead to terrible losses in the House. In fact, I suggested in October 2017 Republicans could lose as many as 40 House seats. So for the time being, I’m going to be as cranky as many of you were to me over the last 18 months.

    And by the way, if you don’t think Trump’s likely 2020 election loss won’t lead to a torrent of liberal policy items being enacted, then you’re making the same mistake so many did in the leadup to 2018.

  610. Wes says:

    Yellow’s the appropriate color for you, Mikey.

  611. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    622. I think Robbie’s house is on Santa’s “do not land” list.

  612. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    624. I don’t think Trump will run for re-election in 2020; it is quite possible he will not be president then. Also don’t think Americans want far leftists Democratic policies, and will vote accordingly.

  613. Wes says:

    Messy says BDS—Bush Derangement Syndrome—is inherently racist. Since Bush is a white guy I guess people afflicted with BDS must be racist against whites.

  614. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    2h
    John Kasich got through that whole Fox News Sunday hit without reminding us that his father was a mailman.

  615. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #620- Robbie
    So you admit that you are a troll and/or coward and/or clueless.
    I think most at HHR would consider your reply to me in above #629 sadly pathetic.
    Refusing to debate me on tangible policy issues because I look at the Rasmussen(less) polls is not exactly like refusing to debate someone evil like Darth Vader!

    As for my thoughts about The Donald, I line up pretty closely with Bitterlaw’s thinking although not as harshly. On this site on occasion, I have referred to Trump as a “narcissistic blowhard” whose policies “sing” to me excluding the Trade issue. Is that good enough for you?

  616. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    DK
    You see that Robbie believes that everyone who posts on HHR and challenges him is flawed.(You because you supported Ben Carson.)
    He claims he adores the Bush Family, but as far as I know, never condemned Bush41 who admitted to groping allegations.
    Do you think Robbie has a family or close friends?

    – This is my favorite Trumpian tactic. Ignore the fact Trump has harassed and sexually assaulted many woman of the last 40 years, but focus on one weak accusation launched by an actress whose career was dying out. If that claim was credible, why did the media never mention it during the week of remembrances after George H W Bush died?

    But what I really love is how the Trump shills and sycophants act as though we must accept the scumbag nature of Donald Trump because he cut taxes or appointed judges. What the shills and sycophants fail to realize is any other Republican would have passed the same legislation (and ended Obamacare) and nominated conservative judges without demonstrating they were scumbags who act irrationally.

    And finally, there are plenty of people here with whom I disagree and still respect. For instance, I respect the views of Wes, Bitterlaw, CG, and several others. However, I don’t respect the views of Trump frauds like you who have placed adoration of Trump above all else.

  617. Tina says:

    $50 billion for Afghanistan,

    What a joke.

  618. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    21m
    Thanks
    @RandPaul
    “I am very proud of the President. This is exactly what he promised, and I think the people agree with him. We’ve been at war too long and in too many places…spent several trillion dollars on these wars everywhere. He’s different…that’s why he got elected.”

    People incorrectly use the word neomcons. There is nothing conservative about these war mongers that want perpetual war.

  619. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #631
    Robbie, Bitterlaw and Wes are probably running for cover.
    I thought that all women are to be believed about sexual misconduct. There was more than one allegation. Bush41 apologized for his errant behavior.

  620. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:30 pm
    624. I don’t think Trump will run for re-election in 2020; it is quite possible he will not be president then. Also don’t think Americans want far leftists Democratic policies, and will vote accordingly.

    – As I said yesterday, I hope you are right and Trump does not run again in 2020. However, I think he will run again because his massive ego will demand it. He won’t care what the polls say and he’ll remind everyone he defied the polls in 2016.

    I also do NOT believe Trump will leave the presidency before his term is up. The Republicans in the Senate are scared of him just as they are scared of his biggest allies, Fox News and conservative talk radio. Those two groups will never abandon Trump and Senators know they will receive holy heck if they throw Trump overboard.

    As for leftist policies, they may not want them, but that’s what they’ll get in 2021 because they’ll have elected a candidate who believes in those things. The big mistake people make is assuming the average person votes on policy. They don’t. They vote on who they like or against someone they don’t like.

  621. Tina says:

    Right, the groping issue has never been denied by bush, sheeple.

    He did apologize for it,

    This happened when he was president.

    With that said, during his last years, it happened and his disgusting family laughed about it. That is on the family and should have been handled better.

  622. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:42 pm
    #631
    Robbie, Bitterlaw and Wes are probably running for cover.
    I thought that all women are to be believed about sexual misconduct. There was more than one allegation. Bush41 apologized for his errant behavior.

    – Just so we’re all clear. Sheeple is far more concerned that a 90 year old man with Parkinson’s Disease may have patted an actress on the butt than he is about the myriad of credible sexual misconduct claims made against Trump.

  623. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    December 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    With that said, during his last years, it happened and his disgusting family laughed about it. That is on the family and should have been handled better.

    – You are one of the foulest and nastiest people I have ever come across. You’re nothing but a gutter snipe. Of course, you treat as credible people who created the Pizzagate hoax like Jack Posobiec.

    I would ask if you have no shame, but I already know you do not. You’re a psychotic conspiracy theorist.

  624. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The holiday season brings out the worst in some people.

  625. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #624
    Robbie has been branded with the nickname, Half Truth Robbie because of posts like above #624.
    Robbie claims that he knew that because of Trump the Republicans would sustain “big midterm losses”.
    He neglects to say “in the House of Representatives” and fails to give any credit for the Republicans net 2 seat gain in the Senate. Why?

  626. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie respects Bitterlaw and Wes. Most of us do here at HHR.

    Robbie, if one of them asked you to answer my policy questions, would you do so? I bet not.

  627. dblaikie says:

    Robbie, I don’t need to go to dungeons and dragons because Wormtongue is perfect. The reason why is plain to see, you continue to call people on this site with names like “gutter snip” and it goes on and on. Until you change this is the last time on this site that I will respond to one of your pathetic posts. The more you are ignored the better.

  628. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – If NYC is a coward for not joining the military then, absent a physical, psychological or moral excuse, you would also be a coward. Sorry. You set the parameters.

  629. Wes says:

    Actually, Bitter, as someone diagnosed twice with suicidal depression, I probably wouldn’t be allowed into the military. Regardless, while I was never a proponent of the 2003 Iraq War, Mikey was a staunch supporter of it despite being an able-bodies man in his early to mid 30s. He was glad to send people off to fight and die for his beliefs—so long as he personally never had to share their fate.

    If that makes me a coward, so be it. I’m still not a proponent of a failed war demanded by an incompetent President who flew planes over Texas to avoid having to go into a hot zone.

  630. Bitterlaw says:

    Hiding behind suicidal depression, Wes? That’s more lame than my pancreas.

    While I do not believe in most claims of depression, I hope you are feeling better now.

  631. janz says:

    It’s common knowledge that Mattis was fired by Obama in 2013, who heard about being fired via the news. Not even the courtesy of a phone call to Mattis by Obama – reminds me how Trump fired Comey (which created glaring MSM criticism). The big difference is that when Obama fired General Mattis, his Central Command general, it was no big deal, unlike how the media and others are treating the current Mattis resignation.

    How amazingly opposite the reactions are when the head of the country is not a democrat.

  632. janz says:

    Wes/bitter, there are lots of ailments disqualifying someone from military service – flat feet being another medical defect.

  633. Messy says:

    Trump has now officially started to panic. Mnuchin has called a bunch of bankers in order to stop them from panicking. Panicking about panicking is what causes panics.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-treasury/top-trump-official-calls-bankers-will-convene-plunge-protection-team-idUSKCN1OM0LJ

  634. Tgca says:

    You people are losing it here! HHR needs some serious therapy these days.

    Wes is now suicidal and can’t get over his GWB hate and refuses to share his happy ending rates.
    Bitter is depressed and won’t admit it or to loving flower shows and sweaters.
    San Diego is turning into Robbie2 with his dark predictions, in fact, making Robbie look rational on Trump.
    Messy is…well…just Messy.

    The pendulum will swing back and forth folks. Dems will win at times, GOP at others. One team leans to the left or right too far and the electorate corrects for it until it happens again.

    We got divided gubbermint now. Big deal! It’s the way it should be in theory. Let’s see if both sides can make any progress together. If not, then voters will make a choice to correct it in 2020.

    …all I say is that if HRC was POTUS, we’d have a 6-3 liberal SCOTUS, an even more corrupt DOJ, and the economy would not be humming along like the last 2 years. There are some things to be grateful for folks.

  635. Tgca says:

    Btw, I have an excuse fir not serving in the military. Don’t ask! Don’t tell! Everyone knows I can’t keep a secret!

  636. Tgca says:

    Now can we talk about something really worth discussing please.

    Who wants to discuss ABORTION?

  637. lisab says:

    lisab defines being in the Peace Corps as serving her country. Zzzzzzz. By definition, it aids another country.
    ———————-

    so Bitterlaw thinks the servicemen who protect other countries are not serving the usa?

    so the men and women stationed in south korea, or western europe or the middle east etc. are not serving the united states?

    or

    are you just trying to rationalize not inconveniencing yourself

  638. Tgca says:

    Bitter. FYI. I was at Jos. Bank today and got an awesome bluish gray pullover sweater for just $39. It will look fabulous with all my preppy business dress shirts. They regularly run $99 to $109. As LeBron James might say…made a deal and everything is Kosher…because we all know it’s not bigoted to insinuate long-held derogatory beliefs about Jews and money, right LeBron.

  639. Tgca says:

    I honor anyone who has served their country or the needy in the world. One is a service to their nation, the other a service to mankind. Both can be honorable and help make a difference and save lives. Being in the military is something we should thank folks for making a sacrifice and service, but so is giving one’s time to help others through volunteerism. Many folks sacrifice much to help others, especially when they travel far or go into hostile areas to serve communities.

    Mother Teresa and her legion of workers accomplished much and sacrificed just as much or more than the vast majority who served in our military, and for much longer periods.

    Thank you all for your service.

  640. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzz. Play your games, lisab. I do not consider being in the Peace Corps to be serving the country. Serving in the military is serving the country.

  641. Tina says:

    Fuhrer Mulehead finally loses in court

    Chris Geidner
    @chrisgeidner
    BREAKING: Chief Justice John Roberts halts contempt order against company owned by foreign country and penalties in mystery grand jury subpoena matter, pending response due by Dec. 31 and further order of Roberts or the Supreme Court.

  642. Tina says:

    Granted it is a temporary administrative stay, but the first significant loss for the SS.

  643. Bitterlaw says:

    The SS? Have you ever studied Nazi Germany and the Holocaust?

  644. Tgca says:

    I have studied Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, albeit a long time ago. I was fascinated with the subject in high school and used to read about it often. But what does Social Security have to do what that? I’m confused. Discussing ABORTION is so much easier me thinks.

  645. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – How is Christmas in one of the most Jewish towns in New Jersey? Is the Cherry Hill mall festive?

  646. janz says:

    Tgca, you are a real interesting, off-the-cuff poster, and dissolve some of the seriousness here at HHR.

  647. lisab says:

    again, always best to define serving your country as something that you are not alowed to do

    it makes you feel better for not serving

  648. Tgca says:

    Bitter

    Yes, I’ve noticed the neighborhood Xmas decorations are lacking a bit in Cherry Hill but I was accustomed to that in FL too where it’s hard to get into the spirit when it’s 80 degrees daily in Dec. It’s hit or miss driving down certain streets in Cherry Hill but clearly not as festively decorated as what I was accustomed growing up in north Jersey.

    I can only conclude that all these Cherry Hill folks hate Christianity because they refuse to adorn their homes with Xmas trimmings.

    But I am fighting back. I put up my 1st tree in like 20 years. Now let’s see how long it lasts until my younger dog knocks it down.

  649. Tgca says:

    Well thank you Janz…I think.

    Well, folks here get too upset by too many things they can’t control. Life is full of drama and ups and down but endure it we must because what’s the alternative? So for example, when Bitter gets upset over diabetic bigotry, I tell him not to fret. Just put on a sweater and go to a flower show. Or when my friend Wes has a knip chit over GWB, I remind him he could be gay and in a relationship with Robbie. And when Robbie gets upset over another great Trump success, I remind him he could be gay and in a relationship with Wes. So eventually, it all works out me thinks.

  650. Bitterlaw says:

    Again, lisab defines serving her country as the the only thing she did rather than how everybody else (except flaming libs and those philanthropic volunteers in the Peace Corps) define it.

    I wonder if every time she hears somebody thank a veteran for their service, she starts yelling “What about me? Those yaks were very threatening.”

  651. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Starting next month the US Senate will move to the Right. Here are the differences:

    Arizona- Flake(R) to Sinema(D)- slight Leftward Move(IMHO, Sinema is replacing Chris Coons(D-DE) who was Flake’s ventriloquist)
    Florida- Nelson(D) to Scott(R)- major improvement
    Indiana- Donnelly(D) to Braun(R)- major improvement
    Missouri- McCaskill(D) to Hawley(R)- major improvement
    Nevada- Heller(R) to Rosen(D)- major Setback
    North Dakota- Heitkamp(D) to Cramer(R)- major improvement

    In 2020, the Republicans are almost guaranteed to pick-up the Alabama Senate seat seat held by Doug Jones(D).

  652. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Add: One more modest/major improvement–TN- Corker(R) to Blackburn(R).

  653. NYCmike says:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/21/you-have-been-in-afghanistan-i-perceive/

    -Good morning.

    Need to think about a lot of what this guy says, challenges a lot of i8ssues taken for granted.

    This paragraph, though, does strike me as true:

    “This is not to denigrate the heroism of our troops, nor their skills. They may well be, as many say, the best warriors we’ve ever put in the field. But, just as in Vietnam, they’ve been allowed to fight, but not to win. Essentially, they’ve been told to play to an eternal draw, just enough to keep the lid on things over there, but not to materially affect the political structures in place. Thus, by mouthing the liberal pieties in Bush II’s second inaugural address about how the desire for freedom is the natural human condition (it plainly is not) and that America’s duty is to spread the gospel of liberty throughout the world (ditto), our rulers have obscured the lethal realities of our presence overseas.”

    Are we willing to do in the Middle East what we did in Europe and Japan??

    Right now, I would say NO, especially when you have some yahoos who say people who don’t serve in the military are not allowed to say Yes. When less than 5% of the country serves in the military, getting a majority to call for action is a long-shot.

  654. NYCmike says:

    Merry Christmas to ALL, and a Happy New Year, especially to those who are prone to depression.

    I would suggest you find a local church, preferably one with a good choir, and attend a mass. You may find it lifts your spirit, and also inspire you to realize that giving service to others may alleviate your unsettled inner thoughts.

  655. NYCmike says:

    “Add: One more modest/major improvement–TN- Corker(R) to Blackburn(R).”

    -Amen.

  656. Wes says:

    A silver lining also in last month’s elections is that Dems will be on defense again in 2024. No Republicans won in states Hillary had carried in 2016. Meanwhile, Dems won marginally in MT, AZ, and WV. At the same time, MI and OH went Dem by lower-than-expected margins, and NV only voted Dem to continue to punish the GOP for Trump, who is incredibly unpopular in the state. If Trump isn’t a bete noire to Nevadans in 2024, Republicans may be able to resurge in the state.

    At first blush, no GOP-held seats look vulnerable in 2024.

  657. Tina says:

    We got Quittens. He puts the “e” in “gop-e.”

    He will be the ahole replacement for Flakey and Corker.

    A globalist that loves war and the grandfather for obumblercare,

  658. Tina says:

    Quittens is and will be a Hugh downgrade vs Hatch.

  659. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter has a great piece this morning explaining how the President has stopped playing nice with the establishment. President Trump is unleashed, just what his supporters hired him to do. Meet the Disrupter, our Christmas present this year…

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/12/24/trump-the-disrupter-pivots-back-to-trumpism-and-the-establishment-freaks-out-n2537978

  660. Wes says:

    So the President—the heart of the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment”—is no longer playing nice with the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment”? Understood.

  661. Wes says:

    You just can’t make this stuff up. The Trumpkins are absolutely divorced from reality.

    You know, Reagan was never adversarial toward his fellow Republicans. Then again Reagan was never personally unpopular and didn’t step on his own messaging about his myriad of accomplishments.

  662. Tina says:

    UberFacts
    @UberFacts
    In the United States, people from Ohio are the most likely to use curse words.
    9:17 PM · Dec 23, 2018 · Buffer

    I would have thought: SF, Ny, or Philly.

  663. Tina says:

    Jon A
    @Latebird2013
    Replying to @AG_Conservative and @Barnes_Law
    I don’t get the logic for pulling our troops out of Syria. Only 3 US servicemen killed in about 4 years, compared to almost 30,000 ISIS soldiers. That’s close to a 10,000 to 1 ratio of ISIS killed to Americans killed. You’re not going to find a more efficient use of govt anywhere

    This is sick but fairly common thinking from the Cruise Ship wing of the gop.

  664. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #675- Tina
    Yes. Thanks for catching my omission.Romney(R-UT) is a slight setback from Hatch(R) as a conservative Senator from Utah.
    Hatch was pretty squishy for awile when Ted Kennedy(D-MA) was in the Senate, but came around in the past few years.
    Linsay Graham(R-SC) was the same until McCain(R-AZ) passed and now he is a (mostly) flesh-eating tiger.

  665. dblaikie says:

    I would like to wish everyone at HHR a happy and meaningful Christmas!

  666. Tgca says:

    679

    WHAT!!! Who the f*** comes up with these stoopid f***ing studies? It’s just f***ing ridiculous! Only a real f***ing idiot would answer such a stoopid a$$ study inquiry anyways. Btw, where the f*** is Jersey in this study? Stoopid f***s can’t even get a f***ing legitimate sample population in their f***ing studies. Being from Jersey, I find this highly offensive. Damn f***ing retards. Make me f***ing sick.

  667. Tgca says:

    Well Christmas is upon us so it’s that time to stop and reflect what’s most important this time of year…EXPENSIVE GIFTS!!!

    Have a Blessed Christmas to all at HHR except for a select few nameless atheists and heathens who Jesus will punish eternally in damnation. Other than that, have a good one all…and to all a good afternoon. I’m gonna finish up some work and then go out and start some festivities.

  668. lisab says:

    Again, lisab defines serving her country as the the only thing she did rather than how everybody else ..

    ———————–

    no no … if you could have joined the armed forces, that would clearly have been serving

    but they told you “no”,

    but the federal government is asking for volunteers in other areas,

    but you just keep turning them down, serving being inconvenient …

    so then

  669. lisab says:

    tgca,

    the gifts don’t have to be expensive

    just fabulous

  670. lisab says:

    One, two, three, four.
    Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    Yeah, he’s got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Mukharram
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    Gonna have a whole lotta fun.
    And it’s one, two, three,
    What aren’t we fighting for?
    Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
    Next stop is Mukharram;
    And it’s five, six, seven,
    Open up the pearly gates,
    Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
    Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.

  671. lisab says:

    Ev’rybody’s talking about
    Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
    This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m
    All we are saying is give war a chance
    All we are saying is give war a chance

    C’mon
    Ev’rybody’s talking about Ministers
    Sinisters, Banisters and canisters
    Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes
    And bye bye, bye byes

    All we are saying is give war a chance
    All we are saying is give war a chance

  672. Scooterboy says:

    Merry Christmas everyone !!!!

  673. Scooterboy says:

    Trump is floundering badly.
    The Syria decision was just plain stupid.
    If the wall doesn’t get built, he is going to lose a huge chunk of his vote.
    Dems chances in 2020 are steadily rising.

  674. Cash Cow TM says:

    Wishing everyone here a great Christmas Eve and Christmas.

    I hope everyone here gets what they deserve…for Christmas.
    **********************************
    As for me, I hope everyone for Christmas eats turkey, pork or ham–and washes it all down with a tall glass of milk!

  675. lisab says:

    As for me, I hope everyone for Christmas eats turkey, pork or ham–and washes it all down with a tall glass of milk!
    ——————–

    vegetarian and drink almond milk 🙂

  676. Wes says:

    I’m beginning to wonder if Tgca or LisaB has the worst diet on HHR.

  677. lisab says:

    Nearly 300 dead after deadly Sunda Strait tsunami

  678. Big Joe says:

    Merry Christmas, folks!

    Always make me sad when TGCA wants to talk about “ABORTION” and no one bites. 🙁

    Maybe someday, Teej

    Big Joe

  679. janz says:

    #666. Tgca, my comment was meant as a compliment. And, the 2nd paragraph in your post exemplifies some of the mild wisdom you use in responding to some of the dramatic rhetoric here.

  680. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Don’t forget me. My food pyramid is butter, salt, soda, and potatoes.

  681. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Merry Christmas to everyone. Cow will not be happy, but we are cooking rib eye roasts for Christmas dinner.

    Am hoping Santa brings Cadet Bonespurs a box of plastic toy soldiers to keep him busy. so that military decisions are made by experienced generals.

  682. Tgca says:

    So LeBron says he thought the Jewish money comment in the rap song spoke to the strength of the Jewish business community. Is he really that stoopid or does he think we are to believe such a piss-@$$ excuse? At least he apologized and did not dig his heels in defending the dumb remark. I would have totally accepted it as well if he said, he used an offensive term but meant no slant by it. We all do that. But no, he feigns he thinks it’s a compliment to Jewish folks.

  683. Tgca says:

    ‘Twas the night before Christmas
    And all through the house
    Everyone was drunk, as drunk as a louse
    Grandma and grandpa were singing a song,
    The kid was in bed, flogging his….

    …oh forget it, no ones even here for a bit of Christmas poetry
    This place is dead!

    *crickets*

  684. Hunter says:

    LoserBron heed Laura Ingraham’s sage advice: Just shut up and dribble!

    -Hunter

  685. Bitterlaw says:

    Merry Christmas to all.

  686. Tgca says:

    Merry Christmas HHR!

    Looks like Santa did not make it to my house. Oh well.

    Anyone wanna discuss ABORTION?

  687. Tina says:

    Mele Kalikimaka

  688. Wes says:

    Merry Christmas, everyone.

    Tg, I’m sure Al Hodges will discuss with you how Trump is the greatest President ever based strictly on the ABORTION issue.

  689. Messy says:

    The shutdown wasn’t about the Wall, it’s about this:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/us/shutdown-states-national-parks.html

  690. Tgca says:

    …and Merry Christmas to you too Messy!

    Thanks for The NY Times article. Could anyone think of a better gift than The NY Times? What wisdom and balanced reporting they espouse daily.

  691. Tgca says:

    Wes

    Merry Christmas my lil HANDY friend. I’m glad we can agree that Trump is the greatest POTUS EVAH!!!

    Now let’s reconstruct Mt. Rushmore to reflect the great GOP Presidents Reagan, GH Bush, GW Bush, and Trump. That’s how we should spend our federal dollars me thinks.

  692. sandiegocitizen says:

    707. Messy, please explain what you are claiming?

  693. Tgca says:

    It’s gonna be a festive day folks. Dinner will be a FABULOUS event unmatched by taste and style in the Philly metro area.

    We’ll start with a light sesame seasoned seaweed salad followed by some grilled tofu cubes topped with sweet and sour dipping sauce and befriended by fresh homemade garlic and dill cucumber slices. Simply mouthwatering.

    Next we’ll warm your old bones with a simmering bowl of healthy black bean soup in a low sodium veggie broth with raw celery and carrot pieces accompanied by slivers of avocado guaranteed to keep you blowing wind until the wee hours of the morning for that extra warmth under the sheets. Pfffrrrt!

    The entree will be a masterful veggie pea protein meatloaf smothered in stewed tomatoes with a hint of garlic and garnished with basil and parsley accompanied by warm buttered peppered couscous and steamed asparagus with a touch of lemon dill sauce. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

    Desert will be a magnificent almond milk ice cream flavored with a fresh strawberries and blueberries mix garnished with a wedge of sugar pecan cracker. Simply Heaven!

    Let’s not forget multiple servings of fresh mint leaf water to wash down this scrumptious meal.

    Finally, servings of fruit flavored nutrients in the form of deliciously chewable selected gummies consisting of:
    – vitamin C to strengthen the immune system and keep those wintery sniffles at bay
    – Vitamin D3 to keep those old bones healthy and strong
    – turmeric to reduce inflammation in those crickety joints
    – probiotic + fiber to keep you regular
    – biotin for wonderful skin and hair care
    – Alive multi vitamin to support overall well being
    – B complex for those needing a lil boost of energy after a deliciously fulfilling traditional Christmas feast
    Yummy gummy!

  694. Proud Obamacon says:

    Merry Christmas to all. Santa arrived for my kids. The Orange Grinch can keep on sulking and trying to ruin Christmas for little kids.

    Groper to 7 year old boy: ““Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at 7, it’s marginal, right?”

    You just can’t make this stuff up. Merry Christmas. I will refrain from any further comments about the Grinch in Chief.

  695. Bitterlaw says:

    With a diet like that Tgca might live to be 100. I just don’t know why he would want to with a diet like that.

  696. Cash Cow TM says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    Walt is doing his 4th load of laundry and has washed dishes two times, filled the bird feeder, put out suet, and done other chores…

  697. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    Monstrous creature ‘turned its head and looked straight at our car,’ Kentucky woman says…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    After Jan. 1, I will be traveling to KY to look for this creature.

    Who else wants to go with me?

  698. Tgca says:

    Being that it’s Christmas and we’re celebrating the birth of Baby Jesus, it’s an excellent opportunity to discuss ABORTION. Imagine if Planned Patenthood had an office in Bethlehem 2018 years ago. Where would be now? Hmmm…

  699. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “it’s an excellent opportunity to discuss ABORTION.”

    Its too late Tgca, your parents already made the wrong decision; although by what your eating you appear to be doing the best possible to reverse it.

    Seriously though, Merry Christmas. Its fun to converse with you and lisab and liven things up.

  700. Big Joe says:

    TGCA getting more aggressive in his demands for ABORTION talk. I like it!

    Big Joe

  701. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    I just watched of TV the West Chester Christmas Parade!

    I did not know there was such a big event!

  702. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow – I live about a 1/2 hour from there and did not know about it.

  703. Messy says:

    710. Trump and the HFC are doing this just to be mean. It has little to do with border security.

    Stay warm and have an fascinating New Year.

  704. NYCmike says:

    “710. Trump and the HFC are doing this just to be mean.”

    -Uh oh.

    FIRST, Trump used “mean” words in Feb 2017.

    NOW, Trump and the HFC are being “mean”.

    Have a Happy New Year, Messy.

  705. Victrc says:

    A day late but I wanted to wish you all a very merry Christmas. I hope it was wonderful and blessed. For those who don’t celebrate I hope you had a wonderful holiday with your family and friends.

    I consider you all my friends and wish you all the best for a great 2019…even Messy, obamacon and the eyeore’s.

  706. Tgca says:

    I have thought long and hard about this. Though I do not often agree with how Trump handles certain issues or communicates them, I have been a staunch supporter of most of his policies, as they have benefitted the US. But now I admit I’m starting to waver as new concerns are brought to my attention.

    I am genuinely now concerned their may be legitimate reasons to impeach and remove him from office, and that the Mueller investigation may need to be expanded or the DOJ consider investigations to provide appropriate qualifying support for such a drastic impeachment and removal from office option so that the country sees this not as sour grapes by some to disenfranchise those who duly elected the president but instead see it as best for the nation’s longevity and success.

    I did not come to this decision easily, after setting aside theatrics surrounding Trump and those critical of him because Trump has helped tremendously in his court appointments, deregulating, growing the economy, and supporting law enforcement and security. But I am now convinced there is ample evidence to show that Trump is endangering the future of America because he is a MEANIE! This simply cannot be tolerated!!!

    The founding fathers did not intend for any person that takes on the mantle and great responsibilities of being POTUS to be a meanie. It is just wrong to be mean and hurt people’s feelings… and the reason many on this site would also not qualify for POTUS…you HHR folks know who you are so no need to mention names here. Is it a wonder people are clamoring for a safe space these days when POTUS is being a meanie? So for this reason, and this reason alone, I will no longer support Trump and believe it’s best for the nation that he either step down or be removed from office ASAP.

    Thank you Messy for enlightening me and helping me make this very difficult choice. We should never empower MEANIES!

  707. NYCmike says:

    hmmmmm……Robbie and “CG” quiet…..market must be UP today…….

  708. lisab says:

    tgca,

    accusing someone of being a MEANIE is not something you should take lightly

    that could get you beat up down south

  709. Tina says:

    Yes, market up bigly.

    And Trump is in Iraq.

    Jebots chrushed.

  710. Barrett says:

    As much as I dislike and disagree with Trump, I will give credit where credit is due.

    The market might have struggled from trade disputes and interest rate hikes, but we can credit Trump with a strong economy that continues to recover.

    You won’t see this type of robust economy from a socialist democrat, that’s for sure.

  711. NYCmike says:

    “You won’t see this type of robust economy from a socialist democrat, that’s for sure.”

    Barrett,

    Just like every 4 years, an election will be held where we get to pick the lesser of 2 evils…….unless you worship some politician with the last name of “Bush”…..and then you just refuse to accept the results of the last election.

  712. Tina says:

    Plus 942 with 7 min before closing,

  713. Tina says:

    Blow out retail numbers,

    Gasoline 12 cents less per gallon than 2017.

    This, despite Dr. Kevorkian of the Fed, trying to wreck the economy,

  714. Tina says:

    Dow plus 1086.:

  715. Barrett says:

    Mike,

    I agree, though there may be more than one choice this time around. Maryland isn’t exactly a swing state, and the Democrats like to rig our elections.

    I’ll wait and see what my choices are. Obviously not voting for a Democrat.

    Tina,

    I don’t blame the Fed for what happened here. I think it’s there job to raise the interest rates when the economy is doing this well. The market always recovers.

    We will be thankful when the economy starts to slump and we have that interest rate as a buffer.

  716. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    I have no issue with the FED. Rates are, historically, still very low.

  717. Tina says:

    Fair enough barret,nyc.

    Btw, trump ended the horrible bush Bama policy of Catch and Release.

    All why the drats slept.

  718. NYCmike says:

    “Btw, trump ended the horrible bush Bama policy of Catch and Release.”

    -You sure?

    Just saw something on Drudge about a bunch of illegals released in El Paso, TX over the last week.

    That was different?

  719. lisab says:

    i think the issue with the fed is the speed with which they are raising rates with no end in sight.

    it is not as if inflation is kicking up

  720. lisab says:

    so my hubby is trying to convince me we should get an ar15

    because it is supposedly one of the best guns for home defense, especially for women

    and we might be getting a house in a pretty rural area.

    they are $1000+!

    remember julstol had a dozen guns?

    i don’t make teavana money

  721. Messy says:

    So Trump’s “poor me” tweet was a head fake. I can live with that.

  722. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and SoHope:
    I had been wondering what had happened to ex-NC Senator Kay Hagan(D) since her stroke four years ago.
    She is alive, but not well. The below link has a recent photogragh of her. SAD!!!

    https://twitter.com/watts4congress/status/989563090441244672

  723. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those on the board who believe Trump will lose no matter what, and attack me for saying we cannot predict the 2020 election yet. Here is the results of a Harvard?Harris poll from a few days ago:

    “The survey finds Biden leading Trump, 42 percent to 36 percent, better than at least two other leading potential Democratic White House contenders.
    The president tops Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) in their matchup, with 37 percent saying they would vote Trump, and 30 percent saying they would choose O’Rourke.
    Trump nearly ties with former presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the poll, with 37 percent saying they would vote for Trump, and 38 percent picking Sanders.
    Progressive strategist Ruy Teixeira said in an interview that aired Monday on “What America’s Thinking,” that while it’s too early to start polling on 2020 contenders, it does not surprise that Biden matches up well against Trump.
    “It’s really early to be polling on this,” Teixeira, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, told Hill.TV’s Jamal Simmons.
    “It doesn’t surprise me that Biden runs relatively well against Trump. He’s got 100 percent name recognition, he’s a likable guy. I think he’d play well in different areas of the country that the Democrats haven’t done so well in,” he added.”

    If the Democrats elect a far leftist candidate, then I can see Trump being re-elected. It is going to turn into a lesser of two evils situation. As much as I don’t like him, I will vote for him over a socialist crazy.

  724. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When Victor Davis Hanson expresses concern, its time for Trump to reconsider a bad policy blunder.

    Victor David Hanson
    “The near-destruction of ISIS in a matter of months (losing 99 percent of its landed caliphate), the restoration of sound defense budgeting, a reestablished sense of deterrence, and stable recalibration with allies were the signature achievements of James Mattis. And it seems a mistake not to have him finish a four-year stint at Defense.”

    It should also be remembered:

    “Wars are not ended by quitting. When combating insidious ideologies of extremist Islam, such a strategy just creates a void and makes the enemy stronger.” Donald Feldstein

  725. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Trump has never made a mistake. I read it at HHR,

  726. Cash Cow TM says:

    I asked Walt if he thought Trump would run for reelection in 2020 and his response was
    “I.D.G.A.S. Seriously, I don’t.”

    I covered my ears..such language…

  727. Cash Cow TM says:

    Maybe Walt is just tired.
    he spent the whole day dusting and vacuuming…

  728. NYCmike says:

    “SDC – Trump has never made a mistake. I read it at HHR,”

    -This is such a stupid response.

    The question regarding Syria is one of the most complicated questions posed – which is why not one person here can give a clear, concise answer as to why we should stay or get out.

    Trump, as C-I-C, chose to leave. I didn’t want to go into Syria originally, under Obama or Trump. NOW, I trusted Mattis with the SecDef job (Robbie, “CG” – picked by Trump), so I am not sure where I fall now (besides, according to Wes-leyan logic, I can’t have an opinion about it). The tactics pushed by mattis and the military, and endorsed by Trump, seemed to have worked up to this point.

    Will the Saudi and UAE troops really take over, and protect the Kurdish areas? And keep the pressure on ISIS?

  729. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC thought my post was stupid. Zzzzzzzzz. NYC went from being regular Republican to the Tea Patty to being a Rand Paul follower to one of Trumps most vocal supporters. I wonder where he will up next.

  730. Tgca says:

    Y’all just stoopid! Trump is the best POTUS EVAH!!!!

    Tear down Mt. Rushmore already and erect a relacement with the likeness of the Trump family.

    God bless Trump Tower! Amen!

  731. lisab says:

    which is why not one person here can give a clear, concise answer as to why we should stay or get out.
    ——————————
    stay: a) to punish syria from using chemical weapons on civilians, b) to piss off russia, c.) to perhaps get rid of assad, d) to piss of turkey

    leave: because the kurds want to set up an independent state in land that belongs to turkey and syria and turkey is our nato ally and syria is a recognized sovereign nation and our current policy is not to carve it up and give part to the kurds

  732. lisab says:

    Trump becomes first president since 2002 not to visit troops at Christmastime

    Though he called military personnel on Tuesday, Trump did not visit a hospital or a military base.

  733. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    750. “because the kurds want to set up an independent state in land that belongs to turkey and syria.

    Those evil, barbaric Kurds. They should never be allowed independence in areas they live in and have raised their families for over 1,000 years. Other people in the world are entitled to self-determination, but not the 25 million Kurds. Because we know they are despicable, and the land they live in really belongs to Turkey and Syria.

    It is like the terrible Armenians. But our ally Turkey solved that problem, they slaughtered millions of them, as well as Assyrian Christians in the turn of the last century. Now it is time for the Kurds to get their just desert too. Plus they made the bad choice of aligned with and helping the U.S. for the last two decades; the suckers didn’t realize how unreliable we are.

  734. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If this happened in the Mountain West, there would have had a town BBQ in honor of these guys who stopped the thieves. But in Washington State they are bad guys, and the local police chief is concerned about them firing their guns.

    “MARYSVILLE, Wash. — Authorities say two men were surrounded by customers with guns while attempting to steal tools from a Washington store.

    The Daily Herald reports the men, ages 22 and 23, allegedly took four nail guns, each worth more than $400, from the Coastal Farm & Ranch store Saturday in Marysville.

    The men walked out of the store and got into a Honda Civic, only to be surrounded by about six customers with guns raised.

    Court documents say the driver pulled forward, causing one man confronting him to land on the hood.

    Documents say another customer shot at the driver’s side front tire, while a third fired twice at the rear tire.

    Marysville police found the theft suspects’ car unoccupied about three blocks away, with two flat tires and the tools inside. Both men were apprehended after a search.”

  735. lisab says:

    Those evil, barbaric Kurds. They should never be allowed independence in areas they live in and have raised their families for over 1,000 years. Other people in the world are entitled to self-determination, but not the 25 million Kurds. Because we know they are despicable, and the land they live in really belongs to Turkey and Syria.
    ———————————-

    setting up a kurdish homeland from land that belongs to turkey — our ally

    or

    from syria, which is not our ally, but in fact an antagonistic state

    was NOT the reason given for the troops being sent to syria.

    now maybe … it is worth going to WAR with our ally to give the kurds a independent state

    but then congress should authorize WAR with our NATO ally. i don’t think they will.

  736. lisab says:

    it would be similar to china and russia deciding that california should be an independent state.

    it is simply not in our best interests to become the world’s arbitrer on what the world’s boundaries are

    you won’t even agree to let your fellow citizens put a wall on our border, and yet you want to create a new country?

  737. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    lisab, the Kurds in question are located in Syria. They have had autonomy for years, and there is no reason for it not to continue. Likewise the U.S. has recognized an autonomous area of Iraq run by the Kurds for well over three decades.

    The reason the U.S. was able to control ISIS in Syria is in large part because we armed and supported the Kurds on the ground. They did the fighting for the U.S., and during this time we had no problem with them controlling the area in Syria were the Kurds lived. In fact we helped them establish and administer these areas. We actively supported their governance of these areas. Now by one telephone call, and against the wishes of his entire military staff who were the ones working with the Kurds, Trump betrays Kurds and the thousand of U.S. military service members who worked with them over the period of over a decade.

    The arguments you are making that we can now wipe the slate clean, and say “who are the Kurds” are total and complete BS.

    If ISIS comes back, who are you going to get to fight them with the U.S.? And don’t say, Erdogan; Turkey did not lift a finger against them last time, and was actually buying the oil they sold and otherwise quietly helping them.

  738. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    According to Wikileaks, the Russians, and European sources. Erdogan has personally profited from ISIS exporting oil through Turkey. The sales from oil exports (through Turkey) were one of the main funding sources for ISIS.

    “The accusations against the Turkish government -and most specifically, Albayrak- became even more intense after the shooting down of the Russian aircraft by the Turkish forces on the 24th of November 2015. As well as imposing sanctions to Turkey, Russia also accused Erdogan and his family of involvement in the oil smuggling. In order to support those accusations, Russia delivered satellite images which reveal the routes of the oil from the ISIS grounds to Turkey. A similar research was conducted by the ministry of Foreign Affairs of Norway and came to the conclusion that the oil transported from the “Islamic State’s” territories to Turkey is sold in low price. Meanwhile, the American government has also mentioned the ISIS’ oil ends up, through a process, in Turkey. The Turkish president vowed to resign if these allegations correspond to reality.”

    And this is the guy Trump is now depending on to stop ISIS? Mattis resigned for good reason.
    We had an army of over 20,000 Kurds fighting with us to defeat ISIS in Syria, and we just betrayed them.

  739. lisab says:

    lisab, the Kurds in question are located in Syria. They have had autonomy for years, and there is no reason for it not to continue. Likewise the U.S. has recognized an autonomous area of Iraq run by the Kurds for well over three decades.
    ——————————
    iraq’s kurds are part of iraq, and kurdistan is not an independent country … but it was set up by the iraq war … which was approved by congress and the united nations

    there is no such agreement by either congress or the united nations to partition syria.

  740. lisab says:

    there is also certainly no agreement to go to war with our ally turkey

    turkey is our actual ally, which we have signed treaties of mutual defense with

  741. sandiegocitizen says:

    760. Wow. We have an agreement with the guy who is providing money to ISIS who is killing our troops. So we need to drop our support of our allies fighting by our side. Lisab, sounds like your qualified to be Trump’s new Secretary of Defense.

  742. Messy says:

    759. yes there is. Erdogon is a bigot who hates the Kurds and wants them all dead.

    The Iraqi Kuristan ceased to be autonomous after a flawed referendum promoted and administered by, wait for it, Paul Manafort.

  743. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #762- Moron Messy
    Manafort is such a MEANIE, which is as bad as it gets for Lady Messy!!

    Maybe I missed it, but when was Manafort President of the USA. You must have meant the perfumed Prince, Obama.
    You no doubt have a link to the Meanie Manafort story?

  744. jason says:

    I have been sick and forced to cut my daily calorie intake from 12000 to 6000, and for that reason I have not had much energy to come here and point out Amoral Scumbag has the moral standing of a floating turd.

    I will eventually get back to my normal diet so I can make that point.

  745. Tina says:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/422801-three-oddities-in-fbi-handling-of-flynn-interview?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Former fib agent highlights oddities in the Flynn Matter.

    The original 302 is likely lost. The one mark d draft is not the original one nor is it investigative in any shape.

  746. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    14m
    The fake news reaction to the MAGA hats shows they are very afraid that POTUS has the full support of the U.S. military and any coups they attempt will be squashed like cockroaches . . . or, to use “Rev.” Farrakan’s term, “termites.”

    Yes, the jebot Losahs are waiting to charge the soldiers with Hatch Ac5 violations, Maybe Fuhrer Mulehead can add this to his list.

  747. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    54m
    – “Trump is the first POTUS not to visit deployed troops at Christmas in years!”

    – “OK, he visited, but only because we shamed him on Twitter!”

    – “Oh wait, he was already in the air when we tweeted!?”

    – “Trump’s visit broke all the rules, punish the troops for supporting him!”
    31
    315
    682

  748. Wes says:

    Trumpkins now think there will be an attempted coup? They truly do live in an alternate universe.

  749. jason says:

    There were people here who thought Obama would never relinquish power.

  750. NYCmike says:

    “Trumpkins now think there will be an attempted coup?”

    -Wes playing with his “Trumpkins” again.