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Warren Announces Exploratory Committee for President

I guess there are worse times to announce your presidency to get as little publicity as possible, but I would think New Year’s Eve at least ranks in the top five.

Posted by Dave at 11:31 am
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1,026 Responses to “Warren Announces Exploratory Committee for President”

  1. Tina says:

    I heart Elizabeth Warren.

    -Jebots

  2. DW says:

    Elizabeth Warren is a thief.

    She stole Native American identity and used it to her advantage.

    She votes to use the power of government to steal your money and give it to people who didn’t earn it.

  3. Paul says:

    I’m voting for her so that I can get DW’s money.

  4. jason says:

    Fauxcahontas!

  5. jason says:

    ’m voting for her so that I can get DW’s money.”

    I am sure a blood sucking parasite like you already does that.

    Oh, you mean, MORE of his money?

    Ok.

  6. Tina says:

    Happy New Year.

    Flying back to SF.

    I did,not see Piglosi.

  7. Barrett says:

    No no no! Please God take me now!

    She is a scumbag, and she would drive this country into the ground.

  8. Tina says:

    For a millionaire, her kitchen looks rather dated.

    I am sure the jebots will point out how amoral she is for claiming to be a minority,while taking a position that should have gone to an actual minority,

  9. NYCmike says:

    “She is a scumbag, and she would drive this country into the ground.”

    -In reality, the “scumbag” part may be an asset. We DEFINITELY don’t want another Jimmy Carter.

  10. Messy says:

    This is the first day of the rest of your life. Deal with it.

  11. Cash Cow TM says:

    Eliz Warren?!?

    COW A BUNGA!

  12. jason says:

    The nanny state will come eventually, unfortunately. The fact is America is no longer valuing the principles that made it great, and Americans are willing to give up their rights under the Constitution in exchange for government benefits and free stuff (that is not really free).

    The election of Trump might have been a minor delay in the march to socialism started in earnest by Obama and that was supposed to be continued by Hillary.

    The MSM is making sure the country gets back on track, and all the useful idiots like Amoral Scumbag and Corey and others who think it’s better to have socialism than Trump are assisting them with their goal.

  13. jason says:

    Messy says:
    December 31, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    This is the first day of the rest of your life. Deal with it.”

    Here we go, a brilliant contribution from the most illiterate and ignorant poster here.

    They say ignorance is bliss. Messy must live in a state of permanent bliss, but since she seems to operate on the most primitive and fringe levels of self awareness, it could be she can’t even enjoy it.

  14. Wes says:

    Hm. A cisgender White woman running for President in a field that will include a black Spartacus and a liberal black female.

    Intriguing…

  15. Wes says:

    Hm. I wonder if Menendez will run. Surely Dems—who had room for a DUI manslaughter offender in 1980–would have for a corrupt Latino child molester next year.

  16. Phil says:

    13

    Jason gets it.

    Nail on head.

  17. Bitterlaw says:

    Warren is a scumbag? Well, Trump is, too, so that is a wash.

  18. Tom says:

    Trump is a scumbag who is trying to do the right thing. Warren is a scumbag who wants to do the wrong thing.

  19. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18. Chances are your going to get a scumbag regardless, so you pick the one who make the right policy choices. Warren vs. Trump — the clear choice is Trump.

    Am not seeing a lot of difference between Warren and Hugo Chavez; its all about distributing other people’s wealth, not creating new wealth.

  20. Florida Guy says:

    This woman has the WORST timing for political announcements. What a dolt.

  21. Wes says:

    FG, Obama announced his presidential run in December 2016. That worked out pretty well for him.

    Warren probably wants to get a head start on potential challengers such as Harris and Booker to lock down major donors and start organizing early states fast.

    I actually see nothing wrong with the announcement. Yes, it’s in the middle of a shutdown, but Trump triggered this himself. Warren doesn’t look foolish as she would had she announced when Schumer shut down the government last year.

  22. Tina says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UMfHnixzMA&feature=youtu.be

    Well trump just launched on Pocahontas.

    Ask her psychiatrist if she can win.

  23. Tina says:

    She seems like Her .thighness 2.0. Minus the baggage and sickness,

    But other than us, who is paying attention to her?

  24. Messy says:

    14. Obviously, you are unable to, Jason.

    As to the government shut-down:

    The House will vote on six appropriation bills to fund most agencies through September 30 with the exception of The Department of Homeland Security. The chamber will vote on a separate bill to fund DHS through February 8.

    These were initially agreed to by the Senate and the relevant committees of the old House.

    This means that the Republican majority in the Senate will be entirely responsible for the shutdown as of Friday.

  25. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron!

    When did Brenda Snipes become a Republican?

  26. Messy says:

    I explained that several times, Wesley the Weasel,

  27. Wes says:

    Oh, really, Messy the Moron?

    Do tell since—well, SNIPES IS A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, YOU IDIOT!

  28. Florida Guy says:

    Wes, pull your head out of your YKW. Warren is no Obama. And your facts are wrong. He did not announce in December of 2006 (I assume you mean 2006). Obama announced in February 2007.

  29. Tgca says:

    Happy New Years to most at HHR and our great President Donald Trump. May 2019 be a blessed year for all filled with joy, peace, good health and lots of rumbling with the extreme left and the MSM.

    Build the wall b*tches!
    Build the wall!

  30. Tgca says:

    I’m gonna be up for a bit because I took a nap earlier so if anyone wants the start the new year off right with a discussion on ABORTION, let me know.

  31. Messy says:

    28. As I immediately admitted at the time, Wesley the Weasel. Get over it, babycakes, there’s much to do in the new year.

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    HappyNew Year. Here are some bold predictions:

    NYC will call this post (and every post that does not praise Trunp) stupid.

    Tina will incorrectly predict that the Mulehead investigation is about to wrap 365 times this year.

    Devout Catholic Robbie will post crude insults while being concerned.

    Corey will also be concerned AND judgmental.

    Jason’s cholesterol level will finish the year higher than the stock market.

    Wes will be even more Westish than ever.

    Tgca will be fabulous despite consuming only 11 calories this year.

    Phil will predict the end of the country. Again. And again. And then some more after that.

    Cash Cow will fire Walt as her comedy writer.

    Messy; Proud Obamacon, Trump is Pete Wilson, Paul, etc will troll away.

    lisab will be an expert on all things.

    Bitterlaw may finish last in all three basketball divisions he coaches.

  33. Tina says:

    Funny list, Bl.

    Happy New Year.

  34. jason says:

    Wesley the Weasel?

    I think Messy Moron should leave nicknames to Tina.

  35. lisab says:

    warren announces an exploratory committee for her run?!

    i don’t know … i have serious

    reservations

    about her run!

  36. Wes says:

    Ba dum tsssssh!

  37. Big Joe says:

    Happy New Year HHR! It was a wild 2018 and should be a wilder 2019.

    Senator Warren’s timing is weird. Why announce on New Year’s Eve?

    I don’t see her gaining traction, especially if Bernie runs. Good chance she does not make it to Iowa.

    My New Year’s resolution is take my 13U boys baseball team to the next level. Nothing brings folks of various backgrounds and political persuasions together like youth sports.

    Big Joe

  38. Wes says:

    Pittenger won’t run in the all-but-guaranteed NC-9 special. Given recent events, Republicans need an alternative to Harris.

  39. Tgca says:

    Clearly LisaB is anti-Native American with tawkin’ down Warren’s inevitable candidacy as the 1st Native America woman to seek POTUS.

  40. Tgca says:

    Wow! Big Joe’s got 13 boys now. Last I heard, it was two. He’s been busy I see.

  41. Wes says:

    Actually, Joe, I think Warren boxes Bernie out because of her gender advantage. However, Kamala Harris checks more boxes than Warren and is more photogenic and charismatic. Meanwhile, Spartacus, the junior Senator from Bitterlaw’s favorite state, (couldn’t resist) will also run, this outflanking Warren on the Northeast leftist front with again more racial boxes checked, though the gender is still verboten.

    I don’t think Warren has a realistic chance of winning the nomination; however, I hope she campaigns for Dem Senate candidates in GOP states again next year. She was an electoral boon to the GOP Senators in 2014 and 2016.

  42. Wes says:

    Personally if I were the Dems I’d drop the SJW nonsense and nominate either Andrew Cuomo or Joe Biden. Each can appeal to Trump voters while having leftist bonds fides. Of course Trump is doing all he can to compromise his own reelection, so Dems may not have to worry too much about whom they nominate barring an overt nut job.

  43. lisab says:

    LisaB is anti-Native American with tawkin’ down Warren’s inevitable candidacy
    ———————————-

    actually the online odds makers give her a

    1/1024

    chance of being the nominee

  44. Big Joe says:

    #42 Teej, yeah it’s been busy! Wanna talk ABORTION? Nah just kidding…

    Big Joe

  45. Big Joe says:

    #43-

    Wes, Warren will be running in a crowded lane as you have illustrated. It will be tough to stand out. If one candidate can distinguish him/herself early, than that candidate would be dangerous.

    It’s very likely that the lane will stay crowded through IA, NH, NV, and SC. So while I’m not bullish on Uncle Joe, this split would allow him to sneak victories with 30%-35% of the primary vote.

    Big Joe

  46. lisab says:

    my

    chief

    concern about warren’s run is that the new hampshire primary will be her last stand

  47. lisab says:

    It’s very likely that the lane will stay crowded through IA, NH, NV, and SC. So while I’m not bullish on Uncle Joe, this split would allow him to sneak victories with 30%-35% of the primary vote.
    ————–

    a crowded field on the dem side means there could be a lot of infighting and bad blood between the dem candidates and their supporters ….

    if warren does win the nomination i wonder if she will be able to

    smoke the peace pipe

    with the other dem candidates

  48. lisab says:

    and people say pyscics are vague and non-specific
    ——————————–

    As the calendar turns from 2018 to 2019, and Father Time passes on his wisdom to the Baby New Year, we asked Psychic Nikki to shed some light on the year ahead. This is what she sees for the the coming year.

    The world will still be a tumultuous place (sorry). As Nikki sees it, there are “…going to be a lot of protests worldwide” and “the U.S. government will be one of the big stories.” “the stock market is going to be up and down.”

    “I see more tsunamis, more hurricanes, powerful ones, snowstorms, all that kind of thing, and real powerful ones. And heat waves in places that shouldn’t be… The weather is very mixed up.”

  49. Tina says:

    Brian Cates
    Brian Cates
    @drawandstrike
    The biggest thing Trump demonstrated to me since he won the 2016 election & has spent almost 2 full years in office is this:

    How much of what I considered the Conservative Movement I’d been a part of since the mid-1980’s was really a con game being run by grifters like Kristol.
    12:57 PM · Jan 1, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

  50. Cash Cow TM says:

    10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2019

    1. Trump will continue his shameless major league
    a-hole personal behavior as far as tweets ad public statements and comments.

    2. However, Cow predicts–

  51. Cash Cow TM says:

    10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2019

    1. Trump will continue his shameless major league
    a-hole personal behavior as far as tweets ad public statements and comments.

    2. However, Cow predicts–

  52. Cash Cow TM says:

    10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2019

    1. Trump will continue his shameless major league
    a-hole personal behavior as far as tweets ad public statements and comments.

    2. However, Cow predicts–

  53. Cash Cow TM says:

    10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2019

    1. Trump will continue his shameless major league
    a-hole personal behavior as far as tweets ad public statements and comments.

    2. However, Cow predicts–

  54. Cash Cow TM says:

    THEY ARE TRYING TO PREVENT ME FROM POSTING MY TOP 10 PREDICTIONS.
    I AM FIGHTING THEM OFF AND M TRYING TO RESOLVE THE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS…

  55. Cash Cow TM says:

    10 PREDICTIONS FOR 2019

    1. Trump will continue his shameless major league
    a-hole personal behavior as far as tweets ad public statements and comments.

    2. However, Cow predicts–YOU HEARD IT RIGHT HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME–the budget impasse will be RESOLVED IN 2019!…

    3….AND it is resolved due to secret one-on-one negotiations by Trump and Pelosi…during which Trump and Nancy develop a close relationship which sparks a torrid affair to erupt. They both quickly divorce their spouses and run off to Mar Largo to get married.

    4. Justice Ginsburg announces she has been deceased for the last several years and vacates the court, prompting Trump to issue an Executive Order appointing himself to the SCOTUS to fill her slot. (Trump often said he wanted to “fill her slot” and bragged “nobody could fill her slot like I can!”)

    5. Global warming continues to be a HUGE topic and a big concern…so much so that animal rights groups start a campaign to take all the thick fur off the wild animals to help them cope with the unbearable heat. On a related note, Freshman NYC Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez introduces legislation to require the federal government to air condition all areas in the U.S. outside of all buildings.

    6. And speaking of science, one of the existing U.S. deep space probe satellites will be HIJACKED by SPACE ALIENS. NASA will deny it and–despite dash cam footage of the alien hijacking–will merely say “contact with the satellite was lost due to technical reasons.”

    7. MORE SCIENCE!…Due to unrelenting efforts of an unnamed bovine in WV, Big Foot will finally be found!
    The U.S. government will take control/ownership of Big Foot and take him on tour of the U.S., Mexico and other countries and charge everyone $5 to take peek at him, raising more than enough money to build THE WALL on the southern U.S. border.

    8. Congress will continue to be a place where nothing substantial gets accomplished–other than Dems blaming Rs and Rs blaming Dems for all the gridlock of innaction.

    9. Either Alex Trebek will leave “Jeopardy” or perhaps Pat Sajak (or maybe Vanna White??–the Crystal Udder is getting very cloudy..) will leave “Wheel of Fortune” due to hundreds of people coming forward claiming they were victims of unwanted sex.ual advances, etc. from one of the above named TV personalities.

    10. Monkeys and deer will continue to make shocking news in startling ways.
    ********************************************
    Now lets sit back and see how many of these 19 predictions become a reality in 2019!

  56. Gelt Goose says:

    Honk.

  57. Cash Calf says:

    Moo.

  58. Tina says:

    Dan Bongino
    Dan Bongino
    @dbongino
    ·
    42m
    Jeff Flake has passed the baton. The captain of the GOP sell outs needed a replacement to ensure the GOP remains a laughingstock to their base. And Mitt stepped right up to fill the void. Mitt’s a natural for this part.
    #SellOut

  59. CG says:

    Thank goodness for W. Mitt Romney.

  60. Tina says:

    Joel B. Pollak
    Joel B. Pollak
    @joelpollak
    ·
    1h
    .
    @MittRomney
    ‘s “character”:

    2012: Seeks
    @realDonaldTrump
    ‘s endorsement, gets it.
    2016 (Mar.): Trashes Trump.
    2016 (Nov.): Crawls to Trump, asks to be Sec’y of State.
    2018: Seeks Trump’s backing for Senate, gets it.
    2019: Trashes Trump in
    @washingtonpost
    .

    Yup, real “character.” And what about the draft deferments?

  61. Tina says:

    Can we get one more drat presidential candidate to announce from his or her kitchen?

    Weird sheot with fake minority who took a position away from an actual minority, drinking from her kitchen.

    Was she trying to be a cnn New Years host with Anderson Cooper?

  62. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    22m
    Mitt Romney trying to provoke Trump to tweet about him

    Trump’s best move here would be to blow him off

    Just like the voters of America keep doing

    Yup, ignore the tree and the leaves will still drop.

  63. Bitterlaw says:

    Is Trump really going to go after Romney for not going to Vietnam? Will Trump go after himself next?

  64. Tina says:

    Nope, should ignore Quittens. This was predictable since Quittens is no conservative, I voted for him unfortunately, given the alternative, but I regret my vote, like I Regret voting for the .arizona Senator and failed Bush 43, a horrible President.

  65. Tina says:

    Andrew Kloster
    @ARKloster
    ·
    2h
    Not one word about trade imbalances, immigration, realism in foreign policy, or the opioid / jobs crises in the heartland. This op-ed is vapid. You know what else changes the “public character” of a nation? Literal death of its people.

    Quittens is a globalist and open borders wack job.

  66. Tina says:

    https://theweek.com/articles-amp/814488/jim-webb-defense-secretary#click=https://t.co/85kztZdF2L

    Jim Webb for defense Secretary?

    I think Mike Rogers would be a way better choice.

  67. janz says:

    I hope, for once, DJT doesn’t take the bait by responding to Romney’s inartful piece by an equally inartful tweet of his own.
    Like Tina, I find Romney does no good for himself or the already polarized country by acting like a spoiled spoiler. My respect for Romney has gone down to the point where I would not be inclined to vote for him again.

  68. Cash Cow TM says:

    Plus, Romney put that dog in the cage on top of the car.
    No telling what he would do to a cow.

  69. Wes says:

    I stopped reading the Gateway Pundit article when I reached the “binders full of women” statement. When a Trump-supporting media organ adopts the Left’s distortion of what Romney said to discredit him I know I’m going to read nothing substantive.

  70. Tina says:

    https://spectator.us/shutdown-redundant-government/

    This is an interesting article about how the gubment cannot properly shutdown. Look at the $ wasted for the Department’s of Education and Energy, which is nothing more than a contract bundled.

  71. Tina says:

    Janz, exactly, he should not respond back. Quittens op ed is poorly written and ill timed.

  72. Tina says:

    Drudge has strange (misleading) headlines.

    In one link, he states that trump called an ex general a dog.

    However, the tweet says that obumbler fired the general, like a dog,

    Speaking of that general, he was rebuked for lying and covering up the Tillman matter. The three amigos, Lieberman, McCain, and Goober led that charge.

  73. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope Romney calls Trump a scumbag every day. I hope he votes with the GOP on every bill. Both can be true.

  74. dblaikie says:

    I wonder how long Romney had his hit piece ready to go. Just insert a couple of lines with his interpretation of recent events and away you go. I am sure Wormtongue will soon be telling us how wonderful the newly minted Senator from Utah is. Mit even looks like he could be a cousin to the Bushes.

  75. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    ?
    @realDonaldTrump
    Here we go with Mitt Romney, but so fast! Question will be, is he a Flake? I hope not. Would much prefer that Mitt focus on Border Security and so many other things where he can be helpful. I won big, and he didn’t. He should be happy for all Republicans. Be a TEAM player & WIN!

    39K
    4:53 AM – Jan 2, 2019

    Well, he responded…

  76. Tina says:

    I think now would be a good time for Whitaker to fire Mulehead for destroying text messages (evidence) and leaking like a sieve.

    Team Uni is distracted.

  77. Tina says:

    Brit Hume
    Brit Hume
    @brithume
    ·
    9h
    Because nothing is more appealing to Republican voters than a guy who is happy to have Trump’s support in the campaign, then turns on Trump after the election and writes a nasty piece about him for the Washington Post.

    Even Brit Hume blasts Quittens,

  78. Tina says:

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/new-documents-suggest-steele-dossier-deliberate-setup-trump/

    New info on the fake dossier,

    Notice a line in there about Kavanaugh and the corrupt FIB.

  79. jason says:

    I have always been a big Romney fan.

    But his op-ed piece shows a lack of character he supposedly thinks is lacking in Trump.

    His op-ed was petty, childish and poorly thought out.

    He missed the 800 lb gorilla, which is the MSM’s sordid campaign against Trump since he was inaugurated (well, way before that too). He wants Trump to take the high road when CNN has banners on its shows “President’s lies and falsehoods” as the anchors are talking. You can imagine the outrage if Fox News ran a banner “Obama’s lies and falsehoods” for 20 minutes straight.

    Very disappointing. Some of his criticisms are the same I make here against Trump. But in failing to acknowledge Trump cannot let the MSM have 100% of the narrative, he came up very short.

  80. jason says:

    “Because nothing is more appealing to Republican voters than a guy who is happy to have Trump’s support in the campaign, then turns on Trump after the election and writes a nasty piece about him for the Washington Post.”

    On the money.

    Maybe Romney wrote this as preparation for a 2020 run, which would make it even more despicable.

  81. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #85- jason

    Well said!

    #83- Tina
    Brit Hume is spot-on.

    It is sad that Romney appears to want to lead the anti-Trump “Jeff Flake” caucus in Congress.

  82. jason says:

    Here we go with Mitt Romney, but so fast! Question will be, is he a Flake? I hope not. Would much prefer that Mitt focus on Border Security and so many other things where he can be helpful. I won big, and he didn’t. He should be happy for all Republicans. Be a TEAM player & WIN!”

    Heh, I never thought Trump would show more class than Romney, I would have deemed that impossible…

    But voilá…..

  83. jason says:

    LOL, what was your first clue?

    If Mitt Romney wants something to start writing about, let me suggest media bias.

    “A former executive editor of the New York Times says the paper’s news pages, the home of its straight-news coverage, have become “unmistakably anti-Trump.”

    Jill Abramson, the veteran journalist who led the newspaper from 2011 to 2014, says the Times has a financial incentive to bash the president and that the imbalance is helping to erode its credibility.

    In a soon-to-be published book, “Merchants of Truth,” that casts a skeptical eye on the news business, Abramson defends the Times in some ways but offers some harsh words for her successor, Dean Baquet. And Abramson, who was the paper’s only female executive editor until her firing, invoked Steve Bannon’s slam that in the Trump era the mainstream media have become the “opposition party.”

    “Though Baquet said publicly he didn’t want the Times to be the opposition party, his news pages were unmistakably anti-Trump,” Abramson writes, adding that she believes the same is true of the Washington Post. “Some headlines contained raw opinion, as did some of the stories that were labeled as news analysis.”

    What’s more, she says, citing legendary 20th century publisher Adolph Ochs, “the more anti-Trump the Times was perceived to be, the more it was mistrusted for being biased. Ochs’s vow to cover the news without fear or favor sounded like an impossible promise in such a polarized environment.”

  84. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and SoHope:
    Some NC News:

    Pat McCrory just announced on his radio show that he’s not going to run “for Mark Harris’s seat” and is going to do a “thorough assessment” between now and December on whether to run for governor again in 2020 or for senate in 2022.(H/T: RRH)

  85. Phil says:

    So Flake is back in the form of Mitt Romney. Terrific. That’s just great.

  86. Tina says:

    Ronna McDaniel
    Ronna McDaniel
    @GOPChairwoman
    POTUS is attacked and obstructed by the MSM media and Democrats 24/7. For an incoming Republican freshman senator to attack
    @realdonaldtrump
    as their first act feeds into what the Democrats and media want and is disappointing and unproductive.

    This is Quittens niece, she should be a bit sharper and name him,

  87. Tina says:

    This will put unnecessary pressure on ronna now, who is doing a good job.

    Quittens is reckless.

  88. Tina says:

    Quittens is running to cnn, interview with Fake Flapper.

  89. Tina says:

    Senator Rand Paul
    Senator Rand Paul
    @RandPaul
    ·
    14m
    Like other Big Government Republicans who never liked Reagan, Mitt Romney wants to signal how virtuous he is in comparison to the President. Well, I’m most concerned and pleased with the actual conservative reform agenda
    @realDonaldTrump
    has achieved.

  90. Tina says:

    Ronna, as red chair, had to disavow her uncle (Quittens).

    This is beyond stupid and shows weakness while trying to re open gubment and negotiate wall money.

    The op ed is also poorly written, does Quittens want the eu, new world,order gubment?

  91. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney was elected as Governor and Senator. He ran for President. Tina, who never ran for anything, calls him a quitter. I love this place.

    Happy New Year, Tina.

  92. Barrett says:

    Mitt Romney, a quitter? Delusional

  93. Waingro says:

    #95, gotta love how Rand Paul is now Trump’s new best buddy. I’m sure Rand is now hoping to whisper in Trump’s ear about “ending the Fed” or abandoning Trump’s (seemingly) strong support of Israel.

  94. Tina says:

    Ari Fleischer
    @AriFleischer
    I’m disappointed in Mitt Romney. His defining act as an incoming Senator is to criticize Pres. Trump. If Senator-elect Romney thinks Trump is a bigger problem than Nancy Pelosi or Sen. Schumer then he has a lot to learn about how things get done in Washington.

    Seems like Quittens jumped the shark.

  95. Tina says:

    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    ‘Sources Say’ is Greek for ‘Fake News’
    @NolteNC
    ·
    49m
    Mitt Romney attacking Trump instead of Democrats is why Willard is not president and Trump is.

    What a sniveling, narcissistic little girl Romney has proven himself to be.

    A Girly Man?

  96. CG says:

    Clearly, Mitt Romney, the man who will hopefully lead the Conservative Resistance, has the usual suspects shaken to the core here today.

    Have the OnlyTrumpers even read the Op-Ed? What exactly do they disagree with? What precisely is Romney wrong about?

    It seems like nobody can even deny the fact that Trump is lacking in character for the Presidency and that things went very badly for him in December, after a very bad midterm result in November.

    So, instead of addressing the facts, they are just left to resort to “Shut up. Don’t mention his flaws or problems..” They just want to ignore it and focus on the “team”, the same political team that took it on the chin in 2018 and has shown that without a serious change in direction, that nobody really sees possible, 2020 is incredibly uphill for DJT and his apologists.

    Mitt Romney’s “team” has always been America. America, first, as the saying goes.

    He was upfront and honest in his Op-Ed and expressed areas of agreement with what the Administration had tried to do. There is nothing he has not said publicly before, absent the specific criticism of the recent events of December. DJT had recently called him a “straight shooter”, even after he had leveled these same criticisms.

    Trump is likely coming to a political end one way or another in the next two years and anybody who wants to avoid a far-left President of the other party should heed Mitt Romney’s words, and act before it is too late.

  97. Phil says:

    “Act”?? In what way?

    What are we exactly supposed to do? Be specific.

  98. CG says:

    There are many things that can be done that will become more clear the closer we get to voting.

    For now, the best thing to do is to root for Mueller.

  99. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina says “Quittens op ed is poorly written”

    WOW! The irony in that statement. Trumpsters critiquing writing ability of others. LOL Just can’t make this stuff up.

    #RESIST!!!

  100. janz says:

    Over @ the very conservative American Thinker blog posters are saying appropriately that Romney is becoming “smaller and smaller” in his actions, a virtual Kasich parody in how he is behaving…better yet “misbehaving.”

    IMO, it’s not Romney’s sanctimonious words here at issue, but more when he put out his holier-than-thou hit piece. In fact the very character he asserts Trump lacks is also obviously lacking in him. What tops it off, though, is what appears to be craven envy towards someone who won something that alluded Romney.

    Now if DJT says no more than that one well stated tweet, he will be seen as the better of the two men.

  101. Tina says:

    Mitt Romney in 1994 :

    “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”

  102. Tina says:

    Mitchie needs to think bigly.

    Do not offer any committee assignments to Quitttens.

    Come out and scorn the junior senator, like his niece did.

  103. Tina says:

    Yes, let’s root for Fuhrer Mulehead,

    In 2016, it was root for Hillary,

    Laughable.

  104. CG says:

    I challenge anyone to cite a specific word or passage in Romney’s Op-Ed that is wrong.

    Nobody can do that. The truth hurts. They just want him to shut up about our abusive step-father because he might stop buying us things or something.

  105. Tina says:

    Maybe the secret service should be alerted to post 102.

    Act?

  106. CG says:

    Mental health professional should be alerted to Tina at once.

  107. Phil says:

    Root for Mueller?

    Yeah, maybe he can get Pence, too at the same time. Who would be next in line? Oh yeah…..Nancy Pelosi.

    Perfect.

  108. CG says:

    Again, if one actually reads Romney’s Op-Ed there is *nothing* in it that he has not stated publicly before. The specific criticisms of the policies and personnel changes done in December are the same thing that many other Republican elected officials also publicly criticized or expressed concern over.

    Trump is the one that chose to endorse Romney for the Senate and called him a “straight shooter” even after he leveled these same criticisms previously.

    He has no right to complain now. But of course he will, because that’s all he knows how to do.

    Just about every Republican Senator, with the possible exception of Rand Paul, will at least privately applaud Romney for this. He is demonstrating the political courage upon entering office that others seemed to only find upon leaving it.

  109. CG says:

    113. Don’t be ridiculous. Pence is not even under investigation.

  110. Tina says:

    Root for .fuhrer Mukehead, yea to be fired.

    I do not want ?Fuhrer Mulehead, redacstein, jeanie rhee, unwisemmanm erc, trying to re do the 2016 election. Plus, his appointment is illegal, if doj guidelines are enforced,

  111. Tina says:

    Whitaker needs to pull the trigger and fire Fuhrer.

    The RINOs are distracted and cannot think straight.

    Now is the time to shut the sheot show down,

  112. CG says:

    Well, as I see it Mueller has the facts and the law on his side, and that ought to matter in America, regardless of what political party a President belongs to.

    If Trump is able to survive politically nonetheless, it is increasingly likely he will lose in 2020 to a left-wing Democrat. Maybe some will only care that he still Tweets nasty things after that and not that every possible conservative policy or appointment will be voided.

    Trump’s apologists are asking the RNC to change the rules to make it impossible for anyone to run against Trump in a primary. That would be unprecedented but it is possible. Everyone who complained that the RNC would or might “rig” the process against Trump in 2016 now perhaps wants it rigged for him in 2020.

    So, if that happens, the only electoral alternative to Trump or a Democrat would be the Independent route in the November general election.

    If Mueller does not “succeed” that is likely where this is headed, and the political chips will fall as they may.

  113. janz says:

    Saul Alinsky’s recipe to socialism – increasing poverty, welfare recipients, increasing taxes, lessening the influence of God, controlling health care, using academia as a liberal tool, creating class divisiveness, and so on – were all increased and implemented under Obama’s regime. Trump has literally addressed this socialist agenda by passing, or attempting to pass policies and EOs that roll back these socialist ingredients. The fact that DT has applied a bohemian persona to do so, IMO, is secondary to the fact that at least he’s not dancing around some of the most imminent concerns this Republic faces, in losing the very qualities and freedoms making it a place everyone wants to immigrate to.

  114. Tina says:

    What I see with Quittens

    More endless war, regime change, nation building.

    He can go phew himself.

    The BushBama foreign policy is over with,

    It failed,

  115. CG says:

    119. You act as if he is the only alternative to “Alinksy” or “socialism.”

    Far form it. In fact, he has a lot more in common with those tactics and views than those on the right who want to be rid of him politically.

  116. Big Joe says:

    RIP Mean Gene. One of the great voices from my chldhood.

    Big Joe

  117. CG says:

    Gene Okerlund has passed?

  118. Tina says:

    Big Joe, he was a class act.

    Nice guy.

  119. Phil says:

    CG, Ok, game this out for me. I assume “root for Mueller” means impeachment and removal from office or in some way Trump leaves office before his term is up. What happens then? This time actually be specific. Tell me how this results in anything less than a leftist Democrat in the WH in 2020.

    Oh, and if you think, Pence doesn’t suddenly come under fire almost immediately for somehow “being involved” I have some swampland to sell you. It’s like you never watched Democrats or their MSM puppets work over the last 30 years.

  120. Tina says:

    I am waiting for Granite to unload on Quittens.

    That would be epic since Romney’s niece just unloaded on .quittens,

  121. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Romney was the architect of ObamaCare. Bush’s Chief Justice legalized the monstrosity. Notice a trend?

    RINOs in action,

  122. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    29m
    Of course Mitt Romney has an interview with neocon megaphone
    @JakeTapper
    lined up today

    Of course

  123. Bitterlaw says:

    Why does Trump respond to somebody he considers unimportant?

  124. CG says:

    Phil, I guess Trump resigns, and Pence becomes President.

    Pence is in no legal danger. Politically, who knows? Maybe he can apologize for being aligned with Trump and forcefully refuse to pardon him after Trump gets indicted. Maybe that makes it possible for Pence to move on to the next election, maybe he steps aside and lets another Republicans, perhaps someone who never supported Trump, to run instead and defeat the Democrats.

    With Trump, we are almost certainly going to lose, even more so in the long run than for sure specifically in 2020.

    Nothing is certain about 2020 at all, but the Republican Party simply cannot survive long-term, as the Party of Trump. The electoral results in the suburbs prove that.

  125. Tina says:

    Well, those are past responses from years ago.

    Romney is still irrelevant,

  126. CG says:

    There is no feasible way that Democrats could or would act to impeach Pence, if Pence became President upon Trump leaving. Such a move would backfire completely.

    Pence being in place is the price Democrats would be willing to pay to claim Trump’s political scalp for their base. Of course, they will assume they can win the next election.

  127. Proud Obamacon says:

    Let me tell you something, Mean Gene!
    What you gonna do, when the Democrats run wild all over the RETHUGS in 2019!

    I made a poem LOL. 2019 is going to be fun. Orange now going after Roberts LOL

    #RIP.MEAN.GENE
    #RESIST!!

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    107 Tina cares about Romney’s affiliation as an Independent in 1994 but ignores Trump’s Democratic affiliation over decades.

    I love this place.

  129. CG says:

    Yesterday, Kim Jong Un, the man that Donald Trump claimed he has “fallen in love with”, threatened the U.S. again, but instead, Trump will spend several days on Twitter going after Mitt Romney.

    Not at all unexpected. It shows what the priorities of the current President are.

  130. CG says:

    I am going to sign off for a bit, but once again, I challenge anyone here to look at the Op-Ed written by Romney yesterday (and remember, when the anonymous Op-Ed came out, everyone said that it would be an act of courage to put one’s name to one at least), and find a specific sentence or paragraph or passage that one finds inaccurate or wrong and link it here.

    It doesn’t seem like anyone is able to do that. Instead it’s more like, “shhhhh Mitt, the media is going to hear!”

    Well, the media already knows these things, and so do the majority of the American people who disapprove of Trump.

    Kudos to Romney for timing this in a way to knock Pelosi off the front pages, when the week was going to otherwise belong to her. Romney knew exactly how Trump and his apologists would respond.

  131. Phil says:

    The Republican Party isn’t going to survive long term with or without Trump. Demographics, brainwashed millenialls, open borders resulting in future millions of poverty class Democratic voters, total leftist domination of the MSM…. Long term survival of the Republican Party? Get real.

    Trump won’t be reelected president. I don’t even pretend to think that will happen. I just find it naïve that anyone thinking for a minute that Trump being gone is the answer in either the short run or long run. You will get someone like President Kamala Harris in 2020 and then a series of presidents that get progressively even more leftist after her. The composition of the electorate will dictate that. In 2050 people will look back on Kamala as a relative moderate.

    Look to California. That is your future.

  132. NYCmike says:

    “Mitt Romney’s “team” has always been America. America, first, as the saying goes.”

    -B*llsh*t.

    Romney’s “team” has always been himself, and his family, AS IT SHOULD BE. I don’t want any of his “help”, especially in the form of BIG, INTRUSIVE government programs.

    If he wants to donate some of his honestly-earned $$ to those less fortunate than he, then go ahead, I will NOT get in his way.

    BUT, please don’t make him out to be a saint because of your hatred of Trump becoming President.

  133. CG says:

    I choose to not be a fatalist. I do not believe anything is inevitable in America, but if one believes the “clock is ticking”, then the time to act is as soon as possible.

    Republicans need to dump Trump, even if that means he finishes his term, but does not seek another. Anybody else would stand a better chance in 2020 and most importantly of all, be more worthy of it.

    If the person I vote for in 2020 does lose, I want to at least be proud to have voted for them. Can anybody really say that about DJT?

  134. NYCmike says:

    To take it further, if he was so concerned about America, he would have fought with every weapon available in 2012 to defeat Obama, including hiring sons of b*tches to act like Lee Atwater to go after Obama with.

  135. CG says:

    Romney has done far more for charitable causes in his life than NYCMike could ever dream of. He could have gone into the “family business” as others have, but instead started his own.

    Trump has to shut down charities because they are corrupt shell games to line his own pockets.

    It was just a few months ago that NYC said he had “no problems with Mitt at all”, and insisted that Romney would be a Trump ally. I knew it wouldn’t be long before he turned on Romney because in NYC’s world, only total fealty to Trump matters.

    I am going to lunch but again, I challenge anyone to actually open the Romney Op-Ed and

    1. find something he has not said before Trump endorsed him and called him a “straight shooter”
    2. anything that one finds substantively wrong.

    At least Tina tried. She disagreed with Romney’s vision of America leading the world and has expressed her satisfaction with Russia and China being as influential in the world as we are.

  136. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/dangainor/status/1080310436451495936

    -“CG”, along with Romney, will ignore this, and bash Trump instead.

  137. CG says:

    Romney did not lose because he wasn’t “tough enough” on Obama, (should he have called him a Kenyan Muslim?) but that’s rich coming from NYC, whose 2016 choice, Chris Christie, just days before the election, threw Romney under the bus and said the election no longer mattered to him and that Obama was the kind of leader he was thrilled to embrace.

    What chutzpah from you indeed, NYC..

  138. NYCmike says:

    ” I knew it wouldn’t be long before he turned on Romney because in NYC’s world, only total fealty to Trump matters.”

    -“fealty to Trump”?

    This has ZERO to do with Trump. It has to do with Romney’s decision to go after Trump before going after Democrats/liberal and/or the media.

    Like you, he seems to be focused on the wrong thing.

  139. NYCmike says:

    “If the person I vote for in 2020 does lose, I want to at least be proud to have voted for them.”

    -Talk about a “deadender”!

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  140. NYCmike says:

    2012 – Christie acted like an arsehole.

    2016 – early on in primary, thought he was best choice. Pretty quickly, found out otherwise.

    Not sure what 1 year has to do with the next.

    We are speaking about politicians, not saints.

  141. Tina says:

    I challenge .quittens to revise his op ed and provide greater details.

    Maybe a Jebot losah can interpret for us what Quittens meant or did not mean,

  142. Tina says:

    Please tell me that the Seamus story is a joke,

  143. Tina says:

    “The Democrats want $12 Billion more in foreign aid…but they won’t approve $5.6 Billion for a wall…it’s purely politics,” said @POTUS from the Cabinet Room at the @WhiteHouse.

    No more foreign aid,

    Let’s cut the foreign aid and no DACA, which is not even legal,

  144. jason says:

    Romney attacks Trump for lack of character while exhibiting plenty of lack of character himself.

    Petty, cheap and vindictive come to mind, just like what Trump is accused of being.

    I have been disappointed with politicians before, so its really not a surprise. Still disappointing though, that Romney doesn’t have more dignity and character.

    Romney can GFH.

  145. Robbie says:

    In a little more than 24 months, Trump’s disgraceful presidency will come to an end. That is great news. I know Tinfoil, Jason fraud, and the other shills will cry like babies with wet diapers, but too bad. Trump is a scum and I look forward to purging the party of Trumpism.

    And before the sycophants and shills wail and moan how those of us who oppose Trump are actually supporting a Democrat, blow it out of your a$$es. Those who are supporting Kamala Harris or the other Democrats likely to be the nominee in 2020 are the buffoons who demand the Republican Party re-nominate a scumbag sure loser like Trump.

  146. jason says:

    I am glad his niece slammed him.

    Good for her.

  147. jason says:

    Hey Amoral Scumbag, Trump has 100 times more integrity than you will ever have,

    You have the moral standing of a floating turd.

    Everything is relative.

  148. jason says:

    Remember, everything Amoral Scumbag is saying about Trump he said about Romney. He attacked his honor, his,character, his family, his businesses, you name it for years.

    Same M.O.

    Amoral Scumbag.

  149. jason says:

    those of us who oppose Trump are actually supporting a Democrat,”

    Bingo!

  150. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:31 pm
    Hey Amoral Scumbag, Trump has 100 times more integrity than you will ever have,
    You have the moral standing of a floating turd.
    Everything is relative.

    – Ha! Jason fraud is starting off 2019 like the worthless idiot I knew he always was. Only in Jason fraud’s demented Trumpist world view could no dignity and no character mean calling out Trump for the scumbag he really is. Sadly, Jason fraud must think screwing a porn star is now a sign of dignity and character.

    Of course, why should I be surprised? Jason fraud is the sack of monkey crap who hated Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for Trump, and then left the party over Trump only to become a sycophant for him simply because Trump won. Wow, what character and integrity.

    I hope, although I don’t expect, Romney challenges Trump in the primary because that will ensure Trump loses in 2020. He’s scum and he shouldn’t be president. However, I am thoroughly going to enjoy mocking you and the rest of the Trump loyalist over the next two years as Trump’s presidency goes down in flames.

  151. Tina says:

    Brokered Convention, 2012.

    Then, after Quittens loses to the Obumbler, we get, “I am glad he lost.”

  152. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:33 pm
    Remember, everything Amoral Scumbag is saying about Trump he said about Romney. He attacked his honor, his,character, his family, his businesses, you name it for years.
    Same M.O.
    Amoral Scumbag.

    – And remember, Jason fraud loved Romney in 2012, but now despises him because Romney had the temerity to call out the disgraceful behavior of a scumbag who f&cked a porn star just months after his third wife gave birth to their first son.

    I would have a lot more respect for Jason fraud if he decided to become a Trump sycophant because Trump paid him to do so. At least, he would have gotten something out of it. Now, he’s just casting aside whatever little bit of soul he had to tough talk anyone who dares speak up against his new generalissimo.

  153. Tina says:

    His niece had to slam him, as head of the Rnc.

    Other Rnc members just slammed Quittens,

    He is getting significant blow back.

    Now, we need Mitchie to knee cap.

  154. Barrett says:

    If the fight over the soul of the republican party rests with either Trump or Romney, then I side with Romney. Absolutely no question about it.

  155. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:40 pm
    Brokered Convention, 2012.
    Then, after Quittens loses to the Obumbler, we get, “I am glad he lost.”

    – Hey, Tinfoil. Remember when you told us the Nunes memo was going to bring an end to the Mueller investigation?

    Hey, Tinfoil. How’s that border wall coming that you said was already being built?

  156. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
    If the fight over the soul of the republican party rests with either Trump or Romney, then I side with Romney. Absolutely no question about it.

    – For the record, I think Romney is an imperfect messenger when it comes to the soul of the Republican Party, but at least Romney is a Republican. Trump is just a scummy NYC liberal who pulled the wool over some very weak minded people like Tinfoil and others here.

  157. Tina says:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/02/romney-pastor-in-chief

    Paris Dennard just spreads Quittens op ed.

  158. NYCmike says:

    “– For the record, I think Romney is an imperfect messenger when it comes to the soul of the Republican Party, but at least Romney is a Republican. Trump is just a scummy NYC liberal who pulled the wool over some very weak minded people like Tinfoil and others here.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-issues-fewest-regulations-ever-record-low-unconstitutionality-index

  159. NYCmike says:

    From Tina’s link, another one which Robbie and “CG” will ignore:

    “Trump hasn’t risen to the mantle of the office? Let’s talk about just a few examples of his public conduct as president over the past two years. His presidency is worth celebrating: it has led to record low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans and women, and two conservative justices on the Supreme Court. The president used his diplomatic skills and deal-making experience to hold a historic summit with the head of North Korea and make strides toward peace, negotiations and progress in the Korean peninsula. He endorsed sound candidates in 2018, leading to many GOP victories that could easily have been defeats. And he pushed the Senate to support the bipartisan, historic First Step Act.”

  160. Tina says:

    Romney also cited a 2016 Pew Research Center poll finding 84 percent of people in Germany, Britain, France, Canada and Sweden believed the American president would “do the right thing in world affairs.” One year later, the number had fallen to 16 percent.

    Translated

    Bend over for Mullah .murkel and her new world order,

  161. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 2, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    CG, Ok, game this out for me. I assume “root for Mueller” means impeachment and removal from office or in some way Trump leaves office before his term is up. What happens then? This time actually be specific. Tell me how this results in anything less than a leftist Democrat in the WH in 2020.
    Oh, and if you think, Pence doesn’t suddenly come under fire almost immediately for somehow “being involved” I have some swampland to sell you. It’s like you never watched Democrats or their MSM puppets work over the last 30 years.

    – You continue to push this canard and it’s just not the case. Of course, Pence would take heat from the press if he became president due to Trump’s resignation. But the heat he would take from the press would be over policy and on policy Republicans routinely win the debate.

    The heat Trump takes is due to him. It’s his personal actions and his rampant corruption that have caused him to become toxic. People aren’t judging scummy Trump on the policies he pushes. They’re judging him on who he is, a horrible, corrupt human being.

    I don’t for an instant think Trump is quitting or will be impeached and removed from office. Republicans in DC have decided it will be better to lose with Trump in 2020 than offend the mongrel hoard that forms his bloodthirsty base in primaries. They figure the only way to cure the party of this disease is to lose badly in 2020 let it be a lesson to the morons who support him, and then start rebuilding as they did in 2009.

    However, Pence would still be a slight favorite to win in 2020 because he would reclaim the suburbs that went for Democrats in 2018 due to Trump disgust and he would also do well with Independents who showed since 2010 they were aligned with Republican at the ballot box.

  162. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 2, 2019 at 12:43 pm
    The Republican Party isn’t going to survive long term with or without Trump. Demographics, brainwashed millenialls, open borders resulting in future millions of poverty class Democratic voters, total leftist domination of the MSM…. Long term survival of the Republican Party? Get real.

    – 100% nonsense. What will crush the Republican party long term is a total acceptance of white grievance politics as its foundation. And with Trump, the party’s well on its way to doing that.

  163. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    3m
    Trump criticizes Dems for giving $54 billion in foreign aid but won’t pay for the wall. Says Dems don’t even know the countries who get the foreign aid

    $54 billion plus how much to the Departments of Education and Energy ($80:billion)?

    That is $130 billion that could be easily chopped.

    Then continue to how out the (communist) State Department and the EPA,

  164. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 2, 2019 at 12:24 pm
    Why does Trump respond to somebody he considers unimportant?

    – I think you know the answer to that. It’s because Trump knows Romney and the message he represents is important.

  165. NYCmike says:

    “The heat Trump takes is due to him.”

    -Exactly.

    EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY knows how well Reagan, Bush and Bush were treated by the press!!

  166. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 2, 2019 at 12:30 pm
    107 Tina cares about Romney’s affiliation as an Independent in 1994 but ignores Trump’s Democratic affiliation over decades.
    I love this place.

    – Just more proof that Tinfoil’s therapist are failing at their work.

  167. NYCmike says:

    This is from the link from Dan Gainor I posted up above, which I am pretty sure “CG” and Robbie ignored:

    “Media: Romney is just the kind of Republican we’d almost consider voting for.

    Almost.

    Then we’d destroy him, call him a gay basher for a high school prank and mock his wife’s use of horses for her MS.”

  168. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/dangainor/status/1080310436451495936

    -Robbie,

    Let me know which part of this quick take you think is incorrect.

  169. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 2, 2019 at 12:54 pm
    To take it further, if he was so concerned about America, he would have fought with every weapon available in 2012 to defeat Obama, including hiring sons of b*tches to act like Lee Atwater to go after Obama with.

    – Romney started his 2012 campaign by noting that Obama had failed America. But in the moronic “but he fights” world that NYCmike favors, Romney apparently needed to screw a porn star to show that he was willing to defeat Obama?

  170. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    ” I knew it wouldn’t be long before he turned on Romney because in NYC’s world, only total fealty to Trump matters.”
    -“fealty to Trump”?
    This has ZERO to do with Trump. It has to do with Romney’s decision to go after Trump before going after Democrats/liberal and/or the media.
    Like you, he seems to be focused on the wrong thing

    – Since 2017, NYCmike’s guiding theme has been “Must defend the Trump”.

  171. NYCmike says:

    ” But in the moronic “but he fights” world that NYCmike favors, Romney apparently needed to screw a porn star to show that he was willing to defeat Obama?”

    -You wrote this, and call someone else “moronic”.

    Are you getting a colonic?

  172. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    “Jill Abramson, who led the newspaper from 2011 to 2014, says the NYT has a financial incentive to bash the president and that the imbalance is helping to erode its credibility.” And just how much of a financial incentive do they have? (link: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-n-y-times-editor-rips-trump-coverage-as-biased) foxnews.com/politics/forme…

    Just follow da Money,

  173. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/02/romney-pastor-in-chief
    Paris Dennard just spreads Quittens op ed.

    – You mean the guy who was fired from his contributorship at CNN when it was discovered he had sexually harassed a woman? Great guy to be quoting Tinfoil. Does Harvey Weinstein have anything nasty to say about Romney?

  174. NYCmike says:

    “– Since 2017, NYCmike’s guiding theme has been “Must defend the Trump”.”

    -Fair enough.

    Better that than yours:

    “Since November 9, 2016, Robbie’s guiding theme has been “Must remove and/or defeat Trump so as to help ELECT a Democrat in 2020.”

  175. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 2, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    From Tina’s link, another one which Robbie and “CG” will ignore:
    “Trump hasn’t risen to the mantle of the office? Let’s talk about just a few examples of his public conduct as president over the past two years. His presidency is worth celebrating: it has led to record low unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans and women, and two conservative justices on the Supreme Court. The president used his diplomatic skills and deal-making experience to hold a historic summit with the head of North Korea and make strides toward peace, negotiations and progress in the Korean peninsula. He endorsed sound candidates in 2018, leading to many GOP victories that could easily have been defeats. And he pushed the Senate to support the bipartisan, historic First Step Act.”

    – The best part about this post from NYCmike is he believes that the same results wouldn’t have come from any other Republican president even though every other candidate ran on this agenda.

  176. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 2, 2019 at 2:02 pm
    This is from the link from Dan Gainor I posted up above, which I am pretty sure “CG” and Robbie ignored:

    – Dan Gainor? LOL.

  177. CG says:

    Wow, Romney sure has the Trump sycophants in a pissy mood.

    Let’s see

    1. Romney should focus on the Democrats first.

    He just defeated a Democrat to win a Senate seat, easily. Now, with a six year term, he can certainly speak his mind. He won his seat without any help from Trump because he is his own brand. How many Republican candidates lost races in 2018 because of Trump? A lot.

    2. Regulations have bene lowered and CG and Robbie think that is bad or will ignore this

    No. Read Romney’s Op-Ed. He specifically cites that and other areas of things that he thinks are good. He went out of his way in the Op-Ed to point out where he thought the Administration had the right policy objectives.

    But as he said, policies and appointments alone do not a Presidency make.

    Perhaps others may disagree when they have to defend a thoroughly anti-American scumbag.

  178. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
    ” But in the moronic “but he fights” world that NYCmike favors, Romney apparently needed to screw a porn star to show that he was willing to defeat Obama?”
    -You wrote this, and call someone else “moronic”.
    Are you getting a colonic?

    – Moronic are your worthless defenses of Trump.

  179. Barrett says:

    I guess my guiding theme would be….

    “Since 2017, try to call balls and strikes on Trump fairly, and see if we can find a suitable alternative for 2020. If not, then likely vote for Trump, because the other option would be worse.”

    I dislike Trump. I will probably vote for Trump. Both can be true.

  180. NYCmike says:

    “He won his seat without any help from Trump because he is his own brand.”

    -His own brand?

    Oh Lord…..he became Senator from Utah.

  181. CG says:

    Funny, a few months back when Romney “predicted” Trump would be reelected, people here called him a genius.

    One word of criticism though and….

    And even two weeks ago, NYC was daring to criticize Trump himself on Syria, Mattis etc, which is what Romney did in the Op-Ed.

    But someone must have gotten to him because now, such a thing means “you want to elect a Democrat.”

    As for jason, he has gone full Patty Hearst.

  182. NYCmike says:

    “– Moronic are your worthless defenses of Trump.”

    -Ok, you ARE getting a colonic, but it is NOT going as smoothly as you were told it would go……

  183. Tina says:

    Yes, he is his own brand.

    And he comes in 1000 different flip flops uh flavors,

  184. Barrett says:

    Have to agree with #188. In Utah, Romney’s biggest threat was a primary challenge. After the primary, he probably could have preached socialism and still won.

  185. Tina says:

    Speaking of character,

    Can we discuss Seamus the Dog?

    And the Vietnam deferments?

    Or is that off the books?

  186. NYCmike says:

    “But someone must have gotten to him because now, such a thing means “you want to elect a Democrat.””

    -I didn’t say that about Romney. That would apply to you and Robbie, who would clearly prefer the Democratic candidate in 2020 as opposed to Trump winning again.

    Now, when it comes to Romney, who decides to write this now, which shows that he has NOT learned anything in the past 6 years about what it takes to defeat the press as well as Democrats.

  187. CG says:

    Romney ran 18 points stronger in Utah than Trump did, so as Utah’s duly elected Senator, he has the right to say whatever he wants. Do jason and NYCMike agree with Tina that Romney should be kicked out of the Senate GOP Conference for the Op-Ed?

    Also, when Romney ran for President in 2012, he received a higher percent of the vote than Trump did in 2016. Where in the Constitution does it say that someone must win the Electoral College to have freedom of speech?

    Finally, once again, where in the current Romney Op-Ed is *anything* said that Romney has not previously said?

  188. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Quittens committee assignments are on hold.

    Follow through with this Mitchie.

  189. NYCmike says:

    “Have to agree with #188.”

    -Barret,

    “CG” is too busy genuflecting to think that much.

  190. CG says:

    Trump 2016- 45% of the Utah vote
    Romney 2018- 63 % of the Utah vote

    (Romney 2012- 73% of the Utah vote)

    So, Trump already cost him 10 points.

  191. CG says:

    Whatever you want to say, Romney, Robbie, and I would all be in the same boat.

    All of us voted against Trump and against Hillary in 2016 and will once again vote against Trump and the Democrat in 2020.

  192. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    Bitter Mitt Romney claims Trump “has not risen to the mantle of the office” of the presidency. Uh, hey Mitt, at least he rose to the office of the presidency. You tried, and failed to win the office –even when you had Obama on the ropes in 2012. You pulled punches then, not now?

    312
    10:48 AM – Jan 2, 2019

  193. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1080301526453760000

    “It’s hard to estimate or gauge how much the rank-and-file GOP feels betrayed by traitors like Kristol, Kazich, the Bushes, and Romney. This is another smack in the face to the people who do the grunt work in this party. And all it does is drive more loyalists to Trump.”

  194. CG says:

    We are clearly seeing the manifestation of the term “butt-hurt”

    All because of an Op-Ed in which a political leader said exactly what he had said before.

    This is what a guilty conscience due to Trumplatching causes.

  195. NYCmike says:

    “All of us voted against Trump and against Hillary in 2016 and will once again vote against Trump and the Democrat in 2020.”

    -Got it.

    Your hope is that NOBODY will win, and there will be a caretaker in the form of **something as yet invented** for 4 years?

    Yup, you are sane.

  196. Tina says:

    We heart Hillary then, and now.

    Jebots

  197. CG says:

    I will once again challenge anyone to open the Romney Op-ed and cite a specific sentence, paragraph, passage, whatever that you disagree with.

    (I will do it myself- he said Jeff Sessions and Rex Tillerson good appointments and I disagreed)

    Point to anything where you think Romney is wrong in anything he is saying.

    Nobody (besides foreign policy Kossack Tina) is able to do so.

    You all just want Romney to shut up and not admit that Trump is a bad person.

    Guess what? Everyone already knows Trump is a bad person! Romney finds a nicer, more gracious way to say it somehow. You ought to be applauding him for that.

  198. CG says:

    My hope is that Trump is not the Republican nominee.

    If he is, the Republican Party is likely to lose anyway.

    And regardless, I would then hope that a third party candidate is elected President.

  199. Tina says:

    TRUMP: We spend in Afghanistan more in one month than what we’re talking about for the wall

    No point of light or nation building will reach that cesspool

    Out ASAP.

  200. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow, yall TRIGGERED by Mitt Romney of all people… LOL

    #RESIST!

  201. Tina says:

    TRUMP: I don’t care about Europe. I’m not elected by Europeans. I’m elected by Americans. American taxpayers, frankly.

  202. Tina says:

    biec ?? Retweeted
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    Yes, max licks Hillary’s boots.

  203. NYCmike says:

    “You all just want Romney to shut up and not admit that Trump is a bad person.”

    -I want Romney to speak out forcefully against Democrats and the press, and against foreign enemies (if applicable), especially since he was elected in Utah, and can govern as conservatively as he wants, so can push a very conservative agenda.

    Again, Civics 101 – show how conservative you are, Senator Romney…..grab some Republican sponsors in the House, write conservative legislation which can be pushed to re-elect Republicans in the House, and then can be brought to a vote when power is regained after the next election.

    No need to speak with Trump, or any other President, about the legislation. No need to speak with Pelosi.

    Just write it, push it, explain it, and have it ready to go when you have the power to do so.

    Similar to Newt Gingrich and his fellow House members back in late 80-‘s/ early 90’s.

  204. lisab says:

    There is no feasible way that Democrats could or would act to impeach Pence, if Pence became President upon Trump leaving. Such a move would backfire completely.
    —————————-

    Is Mike Pence guilty of obstruction of justice? I asked 7 legal experts.

    The vice president has a lot of questions to answer.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/6/16254908/mike-pence-donald-trump-comey-russia-obstruction-justice

  205. CG says:

    Romney will deal with many things as a Senator.

    His Op-Ed was about how he will work with the President and he cited how he will be able to work with him too. Of course, you cannot be bothered to read the Op-ed.

    Trump is a Republican though. At least technically. So, that is why Romney is criticizing a Republican President. He certainly criticized Obama as President too. The idea that he was “soft” on Obama is of course ludicrous.

  206. Tina says:

    Trump: They say I’m not popular in Europe. Good! That’s not my job. I don’t want to be popular in Europe. I want Europe to pay up. I don’t care. I’m elected by Americans.

    Trump is just destroying the Rino without even naming him.

  207. Tina says:

    Charlie Spiering
    Charlie Spiering
    @charliespiering
    ·
    19m
    “When they say walls are immoral then we got to do something about the Vatican,” Trump says

  208. Tina says:

    Charlie Spiering
    Charlie Spiering
    @charliespiering
    ·
    35m
    “I’m not happy with what he’s done in Afghanistan” Trump says about Mattis. “…essentially I fired him.”

    And Quittens can eat sheot.

  209. Tina says:

    Charlie Spiering
    Charlie Spiering
    @charliespiering
    ·
    50m
    Trump defends his presidency, despite Mitt Romney citing his low approval polls around the globe: “If I were popular in Europe I wouldn’t be doing my job”

  210. Tina says:

    Does .quittens have biz relationships in Russia?

    You know it’s illegal to even think of having them, per .fuhrer .mulehead,

  211. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina seems TRIGGERED

  212. CG says:

    Tina has surpassed bunu to the nth degree in terms of pointless spamming of this comment section.

  213. Phil says:

    212

    Thanks, Lisa for not letting CG get away with Pence is in the clear BS if only Trump is gone. Nice find and good example of what would be coming. It’s like the Never Trumpers have never watched Democrats or the left in action before. Pence would be an immediate target once Trump was gone, and everything possible would be done to tie Pence to Trump, Russia, collusion, obstruction of justice, and a multitude of “process crimes” …….you name it.

  214. NYCmike says:

    ” Of course, you cannot be bothered to read the Op-ed.”

    -As usual, wrong.

    The op-ed was read. The issue, as stated already, is the timing, and the focus.

    He says a couple of things that I believe to be true:

    “To reassume our leadership in world politics, we must repair failings in our politics at home. That project begins, of course, with the highest office once again acting to inspire and unite us. It includes political parties promoting policies that strengthen us rather than promote tribalism by exploiting fear and resentment. Our leaders must defend our vital institutions despite their inevitable failings: a free press, the rule of law, strong churches, and responsible corporations and unions.”

    “We must repair our fiscal foundation, setting a course to a balanced budget. We must attract the best talent to America’s service and the best innovators to America’s economy.”

    Romney also says some things which I partially agree with, but are not without other valid opinions, regarding alliances and relationships with other countries.

  215. CG says:

    A. Of course Pence should not be considered “above the law.”

    B. There is no possible way that Pence will be removed from office in order to insert Nancy Pelosi as President before the 2020 elections. For one thing, Pence will be able to nominate his own Republican Vice President.

    C. This political fantasyland scenarios are irrelevant to the matter of Trump being unfit to be President.

    D. If Pence becomes President either thru resignation or conviction, Democrats can of course be expected to tie him to Trump, but there is nothing to indicate that he could be removed from office or that *any* Republican Senator would support that.

    You need 67 Senators to convict a President. It’s still highly unlikely as it relates to Trump, at least for now.

  216. CG says:

    222. So, do you disagree with those passages or not? If so, how do you disagree?

    It doesn’t seem like you do. You just want him to shut up about Trump because you think Trump needs to be protected at all costs.

    That’s not how it works in a democracy. If Romney gets you so upset, travel to Utah in 2024 and work to defeat him, if he is running again.

  217. lisab says:

    if they had the chance to impeach and convict trump, they would probably shoot for pence too …

    however, i doubt they have a good shot at convicting trump in the senate.

    my guess is, mueller will release his report in order to take down trump’s 2020 run and force him to withdraw his candidacy, which would almost certainly mean

    massive republican losses in 2020.

  218. lisab says:

    i think trump will cave on the wall/shutdown

    but he will quickly learn his base will abandon him over that

  219. lisab says:

    elizabeth warren: i’m going to get me … ummmm … a beer

    lisab: i’m going to get me … ummmm … a ancestry.com test 🙂

  220. CG says:

    The most likely scenario is that Trump resigns after pardoning family members. The party will have abandoned him at this time.

    Pence becomes President, Trump gets indicted himself.

    Pence either a) pardons Trump “for the good of the country” and being able to read polls decides to just be a caretaker President, not seek office in 2020 and hope he is young enough for a comeback sometime down the road.

    or b) declares himself personally betrayed by Trump. Ardently refuses to pardon him and openly calls for Trump to be jailed as he attempts to seek a full-term.

  221. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    you wrote this at 3:06 PM, for the second time mentioning “shut up”:

    “You just want him to shut up about Trump because you think Trump needs to be protected at all costs.”

    I wrote this earlier, at 2:42 PM in regard to what Romney should focus on:

    “-I want Romney to speak out forcefully against Democrats and the press, and against foreign enemies (if applicable), especially since he was elected in Utah, and can govern as conservatively as he wants, so can push a very conservative agenda.

    Again, Civics 101 – show how conservative you are, Senator Romney…..grab some Republican sponsors in the House, write conservative legislation which can be pushed to re-elect Republicans in the House, and then can be brought to a vote when power is regained after the next election.

    No need to speak with Trump, or any other President, about the legislation. No need to speak with Pelosi.

    Just write it, push it, explain it, and have it ready to go when you have the power to do so.

    Similar to Newt Gingrich and his fellow House members back in late 80-‘s/ early 90’s.”

  222. Phil says:

    Read Lisa’s link. They’ve already started on Pence and Trump’s not gone. Furthermore, expect “Republicans” like Nicole Wallace, Anna Navarro, Bill Cristal, etc to jump right in with the Democrats in undermining Pence and supporting more investigations. Furthermore, anyone think for a minute guys like Kasich are.going to say anything in Pence’s defense no matter how crazy the accusations out there? With them it will be crickets.

  223. CG says:

    Yeah, just as I said. You want him to “shut up” about Trump.

    Too bad, Trump is the President and needs to be spoken out against from all who dislike what he stands for. That’s the deal.

    If Hillary were President, people would need to speak out against her too.

  224. CG says:

    Do I take it then NYC, that you disagree with Tina that Romney should be kicked out of the Senate Republican Conference and not given any committee assignments, etc?

  225. CG says:

    Phil, this is common sense.

    If Trump’s scalp is gotten politically, that is the victory. Nobody on the left is going to try to complicate it by making a serious effort at Pence.

    They would try to beat Pence (or whomever) at the next election and some kind of maneuver in which they attempt to get rid of Pence before he even picks a VP is not even feasible Constitutionally, and would do nothing but complicate Democrat efforts to win the 2020 election, which they think they can.

    Believe me, none of 45 plus Democrats who plan to run for President want Nancy Pelosi in the Oval Office now.

    Common sense..

  226. CG says:

    Whatever they will say publicly, I would wager that every one of the 45 plus Democrats who wants to run for President wants Donald J. Trump in the Oval Office in November of 2020. Every one of them.

  227. lisab says:

    Rep. Maxine Waters promised a crowd of young Democrats over the weekend that she would go after Vice President Mike Pence once President Trump is removed from office.

  228. CG says:

    Did anyone see the video of Bevo, the Texas mascot, go after Uga, the Georgia mascot, before last night’s Sugar Bowl?

    That was almost a tragic scene. They would have had to cancel the game. Good thing Uga was fast!

  229. CG says:

    Maxine Waters has no special powers.

  230. Wes says:

    Mikey forgets Gingrich had a House majority and a hostile President in 1995 and 1996. Republicans next year will have a House minority and a nominal Republican President best known for mouthing off and getting in his own way. That’s not exactly a winning formula for getting conservative legislation through Congress.

    It amazes me how when convenient, the Trumpkins like to pretend Trump is going to be an idle player in crafting and passing legislation.

  231. Phil says:

    Let me be clear. I’m not concerned with Trump actually being removed from office through the impeachment process. Oh, he will be impeached. Don’t doubt that for a minute. The only way he actually goes, however, is if he resigns. I’m just saying expect the same heat and impeachment talk to be immediately transferred to Pence if Trump leaves office early. In fact, as Lisa’s article shows it has already begun. That article is just a preview – a clear window into the future.

  232. NYCmike says:

    “Yeah, just as I said. You want him to “shut up” about Trump.

    Too bad, Trump is the President and needs to be spoken out against from all who dislike what he stands for. That’s the deal.”

    -Just as you said, and just as I said – Romney’s focus is OFF, just like it was in 2012 when Candy Crowley knocked him off with one rebuttal.

    He hasn’t learned anything in the past 6 years.

    Sad.

    Lots of potential, but too much regard for the talking heads and Democrats.

  233. CG says:

    Why worry about “heat?”

    If Trump is unfit or is a criminal, he should go. Plain and simple.

    Pence is not unfit or a criminal, almost certainly. He will deserve the criticism for enabling Trump, which is why we may see Pence change his tune dramatically on Trump one day.

  234. CG says:

    Romney’s focus seems on point to me. You just may not like it. His constituents almost certainly do though, and so do the people pledging millions of dollars today if he wants to run for President.

    And how quickly you fold your own supposed principles Mike. You were briefly, very briefly, upset about Syria and Mattis and proclaimed “concern” for Trump moving forward. Now, it’s “get on the team completely or shut up.”

  235. CG says:

    If Romney were concerned with currying favor from Democrats, I don’t know why he saw it necessary then to go out of the way to point out the good things he saw or expected from Trump.

    Why would he praise Jeff Sessions?
    Why did he defend Trump on China’s trade practices? (which is not exactly something many “mainstream conservatives” might agree with Romney on either)
    Why did he defend the tax cuts and conservative judges, etc?

    Why didn’t he just bash it all in one package?

  236. NYCmike says:

    #238 – You obviously didn’t read what I wrote.

    The legislation is written NOW, when the power to legislate, unfortunately, is not there. Pretty obvious Pelosi won’t push conservative legislation.

    You push it on all mediums, in all forums, explain it, let the public see it, hear it, etc.

    Then, you campaign on it.

    If you win the next election, then you have it ready to go, and put it up to a vote.

    (See Gingrich from 1989 – 1994, and then what he did in in the first few months of 1995.)

  237. Wes says:

    By the way, I fully believe Dems would like to take Pence out before Trump to completely throw the Administration into turmoil and leave Trump without an inoffensive successor. On the other hand, their trial balloons—saying Pence is a sexist for not being alone with any woman besides his wife and having George Will call him slimy—have fallen short. They are almost certainly trying to find anything bad about Pence. That they have nothing is clear.

    Maxine Waters can say what she wants, but Establishment Dems are fully aware attacking Pence would be a losing proposition, for unlike Trump, Pence provides no clear avenue of attack. Scurrilous assaults on his character would only backfire.

    Dems desperately want to win the White House in 2020. They’ll be perfectly happy to have a damaged Trump be the GOP nominee though they’ll have exactly no qualms about trying to forcibly remove him before the election. Going after Pence would only complicate their efforts to retake the presidency though I’m sure they’ll take the risk of removing Trump if necessary to gin up their base heading into next year’ el

  238. NYCmike says:

    “You were briefly, very briefly, upset about Syria and Mattis and proclaimed “concern” for Trump moving forward. Now, it’s “get on the team completely or shut up.””

    -Your zeal to remove Trump has taken over any semblance of sanity I thought you had.

    3rd time you said that I want Romney to “shut up”.

    I have stated otherwise twice. You obviously want to believe whatever you want to, despite statements to the contrary.

    Have at it.

  239. NYCmike says:

    “Why didn’t he just bash it all in one package?”

    -Because he tries to be even-handed and fair……which is exactly why he lost the 2012 election.

  240. Wes says:

    You’re an idiot, Mikey. If congressional Republicans draft and hawk legislation and hawk it without Trump as a participant, not only will the MSM bash them relentlessly with no chance of a lifeline for the Republicans, but regardless of the legislation’s content Trump’s Mouth of Sauron—talk radio—will join in on the attack and claim Republicans don’t like Trump because they’re not getting his input on legislation.

    Not a single thing in your scenario is feasible.

  241. CG says:

    Romney is trying to exert independent Congressional autonomy from the President, in a conservative perspective, and NYC attacks him for it and wants him to “shut up” as it relates to Trump, so this idea that Mike wants Congressional Republicans to do anything remotely contrary to what Trump wants just does not hold up.

  242. CG says:

    Tomorrow, during all the ceremonial swearing in of Senators in front of the CSPAN 2 cameras, Pence is probably going to get an earful from a bunch of relatives of Democrat Senators (and maybe some Republican relatives too) who will know it is their chance to go “viral.”

    I am sure Pence has his silent mournful response down pat.

  243. Phil says:

    Pence deserves criticism for “enabling” Trump?

    I guess if you consider accepting a place on the ticket as enabling. That’s a real stretch. Otherwise I have no idea where he’s enabled Trump on anything.

    Of course I realize to the Nicole Wallace’s of the world anything short of taking a dump on Trump’s shoes would be enabling in their eyes. They are that far unhinged. Pence deserves criticism? No he doesn’t.

  244. CG says:

    He has defended Trump on everything, from Day 1, completely abandoning the principles behind what he once believed and said about Trump.

    That’s a politician for you perhaps, and maybe even a symptom of the job of Vice President, but that does not mean he does not deserve criticism.

    The best potential Republican nominee for 2020 is someone who did not vote for DJT and who offers a clean break.

  245. CG says:

    We can all probably envision a scenario in which Pence criticizes himself publicly and asks for forgiveness. He will say he had to play along to stop Trump from blowing up the world but was restraining himself throughout.

    #lodestar

  246. Tina says:

    So, pence collided with trump, and would likewise be impeached?

  247. Wes says:

    Pence is Vice-President. He’s not going to criticize the President he serves under. To say Pence deserves criticism for not attacking his boss is simply outrageous.

  248. CG says:

    His wife and adult kids deserve criticism too.

    Any adult in his orbit who has not attempted to get him to step aside for the good of the country shares some of the burden.

  249. Phil says:

    Earful for what exactly?

    You mean like Sara Huckabby got an earful from some loon restaraunt owner for having the absolute gall to be serving in the Trump administration?

    I didn’t see but a very tiny minority of Americans standing and applauding that one either.

  250. CG says:

    I’m not saying these relatives will be classy in their behavior but I think a bunch of them are going to approach the photo-op with an agenda.

    On the bright side for them, it is very unlikely for the females that Pence will awkwardly put his hands over them or ask them about their dating lives.

  251. Tina says:

    looks Like the wh meeting is over with,

    The Turtle has left the wh,

  252. Tina says:

    Seems logical

    Drats politicize funerals, so they can do the same for swearing ins.

  253. Wes says:

    I’m no Trump supporter, but Corey is clearly suffering from a severe form of Trump Derangement Syndrome to post something like 257.

  254. Phil says:

    No, Wes, in the world of the unhinged Trump haters the VP is supposed to attack his boss. That’s how out of touch with reality they are.

  255. Tina says:

    It was nice to fill up today for under $3 in Sf.

    My have gas prices dropped.

  256. CG says:

    I consider it TWS “Trump Woke Syndrome” and am proud of it. Your meter in anti-Trumpism may vary.

    And didn’t you once say that Barbara Bush should be attacked for not aborting Dubya?

  257. Tina says:

    CG says:
    January 2, 2019 at 4:22 pm
    His wife and adult kids deserve criticism too.

    Any adult in his orbit who has not attempted to get him to step aside for the good of the country shares some of the burden.

    Hide the sharp objects. This may be more loony than rotting.

  258. CG says:

    I mean we all have our own levels of anti-Trumpism.

    During the campaign, I was not among those, wishing for Trump (and his opponent) to have “widowmaker” heart attacks. That was someone else.

  259. CG says:

    Maybe Pence attacks Trump privately or tries to get him to change course on many things. That is what he might say he did one day. Probably though, he just sits there and nods… and waits.

  260. Barrett says:

    Realistically, it is inevitable that the President and the Vice President wont always get along. It’s happened plenty of times before, it’ll happen plenty of times in the future.

    That being said, #257 is wrong. A VP asking a President to step down crosses a serious line. Also, if Pence disagreed with Trump and/or felt that he was toxic or in danger of losing his job, he would distance himself from Trump (as opposed to the former option).

  261. Phil says:

    Filled up today for $1.68 a gallon here in Huntsville Tx, Tina but then I actually live in what’s left of America.

  262. Tina says:

    No counter proposal from the drats,

    May get around to it on Friday.

    Piglosi is back from her Hawaiian vacation.

  263. Wes says:

    No, Corey. I never said Barbara Bush should be attacked for not aborting GWB. I said I wish she had embraced her pro-choice views and aborted him. I would never advocate ordering a mother to attack a child or a subordinate to attack a boss.

  264. CG says:

    All I am saying is that Pence puts his political self-interest first.

    I am the one hoping he takes the oath of office as President… today (through legal, Constitutional, healthy, peaceful means)

    But no, I will never be a fan of anyone who enabled Trumpism, and no, I am not saying that every American who voted for Trump shares the same responsibility as someone like Pence. Not at all.

  265. CG says:

    Ok, sorry Wes, but saying that you wish that GWB had been aborted is worse than what I say about Trump, and you were far more vicious during the campaign when you referenced a desire for Trump (and Hillary) to succumb to fatal heart attacks.

    So, even though we agree about a lot of the fundamental issues surrounding Trump and his political future today, I have no choice but to take a backseat to you on the “DS” thing.

  266. Tina says:

    Phil, great price. .58 pays just for the state excise tax and there is sales taxes on the gasoline.

    All supposed to go to pot hole roads.

  267. CG says:

    We can examine if Constitutionally speaking Pence is a “subordinate.”

    He cannot be fired by the President, Constitutionally.

    I just knew that he took an oath to defend the country against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

  268. Tina says:

    China is flatlining.

    Apple is halted due to news on poor China sales,

    Another data point showing that communism with a hapoy face’s economy is bleeding,

  269. janz says:

    Incredibly foolish, almost insane posting going on today by CG & Robbie. It’s one thing to criticize a leader you don’t like. But, to unravel the only party standing between the far left dems taking over in a few years, or not, is beyond the pale of rational thinking.

  270. CG says:

    Al Gore basically broke publicly with Clinton after the impeachment, and that was when Clinton was popular.

    Tipper may have played a role in that.

    The day will come when Trump turns on Pence too. He turns on everyone not named Trump, who has not been married to him.

  271. Tina says:

    I just knew that he took an oath to defend the country against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

    Does this include preventing the illegals that you cherish from coming in?

  272. CG says:

    That’s funny janz because in 2012 you posted how proud you were of your husband for leaving the Republican Party and not voting for Mitt Romney.

    I think you just dislike Mitt.

  273. Phil says:

    Yeah, let’s have those relatives go after Pence on camera. That’ll show him. Should be a great look. The idea that throwing a public tantrum at the VP during a swearing in ceremony is the thing to do says something alright – and not about the VP by the way. Most can see that, but when you’re so obsessed by hate for a person you are blinded to anything else. Anything goes.

    Hey, let them knock themselves out. The more inappropriate the better. It will be a real profile in courage on their part. The gals on the View will be impressed.

  274. Tina says:

    Almost insane?

    No insane posting, janz.

  275. Tina says:

    ey, let them knock themselves out. The more inappropriate the better. It will be a real profile in courage on their part. The gals on the View will be impressed.

    And the morning joe crew will be smirking. Btw, are ugly and uglier married yet?

  276. CG says:

    Phil, if you read what I wrote, I think you will see that I am saying this will reflect poorly upon the relatives. I didn’t say I “liked” the concept. They will not really care though. Some people out there will like it. I don’t think they will “unload” as much as say something snarky or ask Pence an uncomfortable question.

  277. Tina says:

    Ryan Fournier
    Ryan Fournier
    @RyanAFournier
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    The same people who trashed Brett Kavanaugh for drinking in college were on television last night doing shots and funneling champagne.

    Actually Anderson Cooper made more sense drinking,

  278. Tina says:

    Raul Castro launches, wishes limp wrist was still in charge.

  279. Phil says:

    ‘All enemies foreign and domestic”

    Good God.

  280. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    11s
    Romney on CNN now says he will vote for the Wall, but it must be a Bipartisan Wall

    Whatever GOP consultant focus-grouped that one definitely fleeced Romney, but then again, he’s used to getting fleeced by consultants by now (see Romney ground game 2012)

    Wtf is a bi partisan wall?

    Will it have picture of an elephant and a jackarse on them?

  281. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    4m
    Romney on CNN now lying that US forces are in Syria to provide stability rather than being honest that the CIA armed and financed rebel groups on the ground to topple Assad – which Romney campaigned on in 2012

    Yes, he must have forgotten about Benghazi.

  282. Phil says:

    I was referring to the relatives themselves who were making the scene. I wasn’t referring to you liking what they were doing.

  283. Tina says:

    Quittens is on cnn. Demanding that we stay in countries endlessly to prevent war.

    This guy prolly is upset that the Iranian deal got canceled,

    I bet China or ?Iran paid off this Phuker.

  284. Phil says:

    Bipartisan wall?

    WTF

    LOL

  285. Tina says:

    And I predicted that Quittens would be a big step down from ?Hatch.

    Just like I predicted that when it came to killing obumblercare, the rhinos would punt,

  286. CG says:

    Ok, thanks for the clarification on that Phil. I thought you were referring to me. On here, I am always on guard and ready to “counter-punch”, just like someone else.

  287. CG says:

    Be careful taking Tina and her “sources” at face value.

    According to the transcript, he is what Romney actually just said

    “Let me tell you,” Romney replied. “I would vote for the border wall. I’ve made that part of my platform for many, many years. I think we should have a border wall on our southern border, and whether it’s a wall or fence or technology and perhaps in some cases the natural landscape prevents people from coming in but we’ve got to secure our border.”

  288. NYCmike says:

    “And how quickly you fold your own supposed principles Mike.”

    -This is ridiculous as well.

    I never mentioned “principles” when it came to Syria, simply because that is not a good area of the world to have “principles” be your guide, as opposed to using “our national interest” as our guide.

    I did mention I didn’t want Obama going in there, and didn’t want Trump going in there either.

    It was only after Mattis showed that the military had a viable strategy in regard to this sheothole that I accepted our involvement there. I still have questions about leaving, but there has been a lot of stories about certain countries taking more responsibility there which seems like it could work.

    It is also obvious that previous actions taken in this area of the world were less than perfect, and Trump had nothing to do with those decisions.

  289. janz says:

    When you itemize all the challenges facing the US today – both China and Russia gaining militarily on this country, world wide slowing of the economy, immigration problems everywhere, more illness & criminal behavior rushing our own border – and all we can talk about is getting rid of Trump!

    Border security should be a no-brainer. Instead, it has become a wedge issue which the dems hope will amplify their chances to regain power and get back on the pathway to socialism.

    China is another long standing problem ignored, like illegal immigration has been, because tackling it encompasses too much political risk. People like Gordon Chang and Michael Pillsbury have given this president credit for addressing it, and holding firm for some kind of accountability from China. However, there is so little long-ball gamesmanship available anymore, especially in our elected representatives. Although trump may fail, at least he has the guts to try, Such shallow, petty thinking going on all the way around!

  290. CG says:

    Mike, you said that Trump better have made that determination in concert with Mattis and the Joint Chiefs, etc.

    Clearly, he did not, and if anything went against their military advice.

    You were bothered temporarily and now you are back on “Trump can do no wrong.”

    That’s your right to speak your mind on it. Romney can do the same. He feels differently than you now.

  291. Tina says:

    Clinton groupie missed the before and after quotation.

  292. CG says:

    I still don’t see where janz disagrees with anything said in the Romney Op-ed. He speaks at length about the challenges of Russia and China and how important it is for the U.S to not let them gain spheres of influence.

    It seems like janz just did not read the Op-ed. She might be afraid she agrees with it if she did.

  293. CG says:

    Where is the transcript of Romney saying anything differently about a “wall.”

    He clearly supports the concept of increasing border security at the southern border, but virtually nobody believes this will take the form of a physical wall stretching over the entire southern border.

    Such an idea is ridiculous.

    Romney could have gotten border security done as President. Trump cannot. Trump sucks as a negotiator.

  294. Tina says:

    Speculative since Romney never made it to the table to negotiate.

  295. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    4m
    After Trump’s press conference Mitt Romney totally caved in his interview with CNN

    He admitted Trump won where he couldn’t, said he won’t run in 2020, pledged to would vote for the Wall, and only offered a few tepid and vague comments about criticism

    Some character

    No character and no spine,

  296. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    13m
    Romney is asked on CNN to clearly define what about Trump he doesn’t support

    Romney cannot give a straight answer, throws out buzzwords, deflects to his Op-Ed, which also failed to define anything specifically

  297. CG says:

    Ok, the PizzaGate conspiracy guy is not impressed with Romney.

    Darn. Thought we could win him over.

    There’s always that Larry dude who predicted a Red Wave on Twitter and was mentioned here every five minutes during the midterms!

  298. Tina says:

    Looks like Quittens has surrendered.

    Prolly threatened on the committee assignments.

  299. Tina says:

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    Romney’s op-ed is a shot across the bow. Some are disappointed because it’s not a full-on assault on the Trump battleship. But it is a shot. And shots across the bow are often followed by real boarding parties.

    The socialist son lamenting the sinking of thenWeekly socialist.

  300. lisab says:

    Democrats Announce Plan to Reopen Government, Including a Pay Raise for Feds

  301. CG says:

    I can’t believe Gene Okerlund was only 76. Based on when I first remembered seeing him on tv circa 1983, I would have guessed he would be 90 by now.

  302. lisab says:

    Trump just sold rice to China.

  303. Tina says:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/423558-exculpatory-russia-evidence-about-mike-flynn-that-us-intel-kept-secret?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Solomon errs a bit n this article. Flynn was never charged with failing to register, so it is not a so called “sin.”

    And even if he “mislead” the vp, that is not a criminal matter.

  304. jason says:

    Romney’s op-ed is pure unadulterated garbage.

    It’s just trash talk.

    I had no problem with Romney attacking Trump on issues he might disagree with.

    But this is just a gratuitous attack, just gutter politics, and it shows Romney has no high moral ground to stake out.

    Despicable.

  305. lisab says:

    CA Broadens Gun Confiscation Laws to Include Ammunition, Certain Magazines

  306. Tina says:

    Despicable and he really backed down in his interview in front of Fake Flapper, the wannabe press secretary for Hillary.

  307. lisab says:

    TSA Says Pointy-Eared Dogs ‘Scare Children,’ Will Use Floppy-Eared Ones for Airport Screenings

  308. jason says:

    I have defended Romney here through thick and thin.

    I always thought he was an honorable guy.

    Alas, he is a scumbag.

    It’s ok, I used to think Christie was a good man too. These things happen.

    At least we will be spared now of any fake bleatings from Romney wanting to “unite the party”.

  309. CG says:

    Romney said nothing he had not said before Trump endorsed him and called him a “straight shooter.”

    Romney went out of his way in the Op-ed to state where he agreed with Trump and planned to work with him.

    Nobody can point to a single sentence, paragraph, passage, or whatever in which they disagree with what Romney said.

    It’s all, “shut up about Trump. He gets a pass on everything! Even Fifth Avenue.”

  310. jason says:

    I guess Romney can’t deal with the fact Trump won and he lost.

    There is something profoundly lacking in his character if he can’t deal with that.

  311. CG says:

    -jason can comfort himself among buddies NYC, Tina, and Rand Paul in the OnlyTrump Clubhouse.

  312. jason says:

    Romney missed a great opportunity to act like a statesman. He could have promoted some unity and he had some political capital to spend in that regard.

    Instead, he opted for gutter politics and scurrilous attacks. He has wasted any political capital he had, now he can be a hero over at CNN and MSNBC. Where they actually despise him but he probably thinks he is popular with them.

    If he had any hopes of running for President, at least he can kiss that goodbye. Any Republican who who ever vote for him again in a primary is a moron.

  313. Tina says:

    Jim Geraghty
    @jimgeraghty
    After the experiences of Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney himself, a significant number of conservatives concluded that good character was no advantage in politics and possibly a liability.

    But, but, but, muh character….

  314. jason says:

    CG can confort himself among his buddies Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Pragmatist Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Ocasio Cortez, etc. in the Never Trump Clubhouse.

  315. CG says:

    Trump apologists whining about “gutter politics” and “mean attacks.”

    Priceless.

  316. jason says:

    Nobody can point to a single sentence, paragraph, passage, or whatever in which they disagree with what Romney said.”

    Hello?

    95% is trash talk.

    You don’t have to eat a whole rotten egg to know its spoiled.

    There is nothing redeeming in the op-ed. It’s all self serving garbage.

  317. CG says:

    But yet you cannot cite a single example.

    You are literally a Trump sheep. New medication?

  318. CG says:

    Trump fans butt-hurt over “trash talk”

    Hilarious.

  319. CG says:

    If there was ever more of a perfect example of “can dish it out but not take it”, it would be the OnlyTrump crowd represented by jason.

  320. jason says:

    Trump apologists whining about “gutter politics” and “mean attacks.”

    Good.

    At least you no longer pretend to be better than Trump. That is a breakthrough. All the outrage about Trump’s behavior was, as I suspected, just posturing.

    At best, you admit you are the same. But since you are an unprincipled hack to boot, probably worse.

  321. CG says:

    Obviously, the Trump Crowd here would not be acting this way if not for real fear of the impact that Romney’s position will have on Trump’s future.

    They will be crying about this for days now.

  322. CG says:

    Romney’s “attack” on Trump was far more gentlemanly, statesmanlike, and accurate than anything Trump ever says about anyone.

  323. CG says:

    But it is literally nothing that Romney has not said before (and jason applauded him w hen he said it previously), so this should come as zero surprise.

    jason, do you think Trump had a good December? Do you support all his foreign policy moves and statements? If not, should people just shut up and be quiet about it?

    Do you want Senate Republicans to kick Romney out?

  324. lisab says:

    Barack Obama Advisor Slams Curing Genetic Diseases as Threat to Disabled Identity: It’s ‘Actually Genocide’

  325. jason says:

    I don’t agree with 95% of what Romney said in the op-ed.

    That is not an “example”?

    LOL

  326. jason says:

    Romney revealed himself to be a low life scumbag.

    I have lost all respect for him, although I probably agree with him on issues much more than I do with Trump.

    At least Trump tries to keep his promises. I admire that even if I don’t agree with all the promises.

    Romney is a spineless hack.

  327. Tina says:

    Michael1711
    Michael1711
    @MichaelO1711
    ·
    39m
    Replying to
    @JackPosobiec
    I just don’t get it…why would Romney make himself look so weak and pathetic at just the wrong time, before he’s even sworn in? The only conclusion: He thought he would look tough: His political judgment really is that bad! ???

    The cn and n interview made him look even more feeble

  328. jason says:

    f not for real fear of the impact that Romney’s position will have on Trump’s future.”

    Zzzzz….

    The people who really care about what he says are MNSNC and CNN and the NYT.

    They will pretend to love him and he will think they really do.

  329. jason says:

    He looks like an ass.

    But regarding his political judgment, I guess it’s not the first time he comes up short.

  330. lisab says:

    Forbes blames “purge” of black NFL coaches on a lack of black GMs.

  331. jason says:

    Corey really revealed himself to be an unprincipled lying hack.

    When Trump attacked fellow Republicans with low blow attacks like he did with McCain and Corker and others I was the first one here to attack him for it.

    Romney did not attack Trump on issues, it was just a despicable personal attack that was completely unwarranted and gratuitous, especially after Trump endorsed him.

    Where is Corey? Endorsing the same behavior he whined about Trump engaging in.

    Corey is a two faced hypocrite.

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    All I am saying is that Pence puts his political self-interest first.

    Zzzzzzzzzz. Every politician since Walt defeated the Neanderthal’s for control of the valley put their own interests first.

    As to Jason’s point, since I will never support a primary challenger over an incumbent, I would have to wait until 2024 to vote for Romney in a Presidential primary. I would vote for him unless Chris Christie was running. In that case, I would voter for Christie. If neither ran, I would have to look at the list.

  333. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney revealed himself to be a low life scumbag.

    Breaking News – Trump sues Romney for trademark violation.

  334. lisab says:

    ‘Captain’ Daryl Dragon dies with Tennille at his side

    rip

  335. Bitterlaw says:

    That is sad news. As one of the 11 people who watched their tv show, I am devastated.

    Ok. Tgat’s Enough mourning.

  336. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25670107/nfl-television-ratings-rose-5-percent-2017
    NFL ratings are headed back up. Jason, Phil and Tina hardest hit.

  337. NYCmike says:

    #249
    #252
    #257
    #279
    #318
    many others

    Aye carumba! This man will not rest until he sees a Democrat take over in 2021.

  338. NYCmike says:

    #248 and #249 – These 2 people accuse me of being a Trump apologist, yet are unable to envision a world where Congress takes the lead on pushing legislation which is conservative in nature, and can be campaigned on.

    Both of the commenters simply respond (paraphrasing) “Trump will say mean words!”.

    Sad.

  339. NYCmike says:

    https://reason.com/archives/2019/01/02/trump-is-right-about-the-ridiculous-misu?fbclid=IwAR1–E7p_0deHfO_jXjy61fVxqbhws00V-rkDSbG4nXJ2MpY5ZfjHt69q5I

    -Not sure if people like jason will be totally happy about this, but if Republicans and libertarians can join forces, they could defeat the Democrats and #NeverTrumpers.

    Interesting times we live in!

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I am someone who has been supportive of Romney in the past, and agree with much of what he said in his article.

    But placing an article like that in a national newspaper prior to being sworn in was totally inappropriate. The content did not bother me that much as he has stated what is in it before. But to publish an attack like that prior to being sworn in is an exercise in bad judgment. This is especially true since Trump endorsed Romney’s election.

    Romney should at least initially have tried to have a dialogue and possibly work with Trump. When policy differences arise, like with Syria, he should do what Lindsay Graham did and meet with Trump to discuss them. Don’t lob a grenade through the door prior to entering.

    Unfortunately, Romney has often exercised poor judgement in the past. Plus, he tends to come off as self-righteous. I realize there is still bad blood over Trump’s comments regarding Mia Love in Utah, but this just seemed over the top. Even Trump was fairly mild in his response, stating that Romney need to be a team player, etc. Trump likely realized that Romney in effect was shooting himself in the foot.

  341. NYCmike says:

    “Nonsense. We are having that debate now, and it is long overdue.”

    -I definitely agree with this statement from that link.*

    *Wes, please let me know if non-combatants, like myself, and like you, are allowed to opine in such a way.

  342. janz says:

    #301. CG. What I took issue with Romney’s piece
    is that it was an unworthy, personal hit piece aimed at discrediting rather than simply disagreeing with the current president’s policies. He was “judging” how he perceived another’s character and behavior to be, rather than giving a critical analysis of a leader’s domestic stances. Romney’s comments are what I have disagreed Trump doing – running his mouth and/ or twitter feed with personal jabs. Consequently, Romney is acting like Trump, with the exception that he was unable to win the presidency because of what was seen as a weak, less-than-commanding campaign performance. Furthermore, Romney, like Bill Kristol, McCain, Flake, seem just like disgruntled has beers.

  343. NYCmike says:

    #349 – SDC

    Have been saying that all day, probably NOT as clearly. Most others have said the same thing.

    “CG” will now accuse you of wanting Romney to “shut up”, and also inform you that you are a Trump-lo-dyte and are “butt-hurt”.

  344. NYCmike says:

    “Furthermore, Romney, like Bill Kristol, McCain, Flake, seem just like disgruntled has beers.”

    -“has beers”?

    You have to include Senator Warren in that list then!

    🙂

  345. janz says:

    Also, I think Jason and SDCs comments have been spot on as to the reasons so much disappointment/dismay is being voiced towards Romney’s ill-timed commentary.

  346. janz says:

    NYC. I’ve never been so nauseated by dems as I am now just listening to their opening, childish salvos.

  347. Paul says:

    I notice that the Great One’s new tweet doesn’t mention the wall. I think we’ll see him accepting the Democrat’s 1.3 billion in border security funding very shortly.

    “…I remain ready and willing to work with Democrats to pass a bill that secures our borders, supports the agents and officers on the ground, and keeps America Safe. Let’s get it done!”

  348. Tgca says:

    Romney again shows himself to be an utter fool and clueless to the extent that his own niece, as RNC head, ridiculed him in the press referring to him as an incoming FRESHMAN senator who has basically aligning himself with the Dems and the MSM in his 1st act. This is up there with his , in essence, 47% welfare queens comments in 2012. He just infuriated more than half the GOP. He is what most folks hate about Washington and politicians. He sickens me to no end because he is a classic spineless opportunist that will twist and bend with the wind wherever he thinks it benefits him. At least Trump takes a stand and delivers on some major promises.

    If it came down to 2020 voting for this moron against any Dem, he would not get my vote because I don’t believe he would honor any promise.

    I hope this moron, and equally clueless elitist dingbat wife would fade into oblivion with the Clintons.

  349. Tina says:

    Granite tells Quittens that if you have disagreements, go talk to trump about it, he is easy to get along with,etc.

    Hopes that ?Quittens did not re enter politics to target the president,

  350. Tina says:

    “The people who are applauding Romney today for standing up to Trump and going after Trump will turn on Romney the moment he votes for something that they don’t like,” Graham said.

    Wow.

  351. Tgca says:

    Yes Tina, Graham basically schooled him on his naïveté and also questioned why he returned to politics and if he is s best representing the folks of Utah. Romney actually made Ocasio-Cortez look intelligent. Whatever, his intent it backfired.

  352. jason says:

    The two Jebbots, one of them a rabid Romney hater pretending to be his biggest fan only because he attacked Trump (does that sound like an Amoral Scumbag) are the only ones here that liked Romney’s op-ed.

    What a coincidence. Well maybe the trolls did too.

  353. jason says:

    “The people who are applauding Romney today for standing up to Trump and going after Trump will turn on Romney the moment he votes for something that they don’t like,” Graham said.

    Exactly.

  354. jason says:

    -Not sure if people like jason will be totally happy about this, but if Republicans and libertarians can join forces”

    Sorry, I am not joining forces with naive self defeating military hating kooks.

    Next question.

  355. Phil says:

    NFL ratings are up as the player kneelings don’t occur any longer.

    Wow! Imagine that. It’s magic.

  356. lisab says:

    muskrat, muskrat, candle light
    doing the town and doing it right in the evening
    it’s pretty pleasing
    muskrat suzie, muskrat sam
    do the jitterbug out in muskrat land
    and they shimmy… sam is so skinny

    and they whirl and they twirl and they tango
    singing and jinging a jango
    floating like the heavens above
    looks like muskrat love

    nibbling on bacon, chewing on cheese
    sam says to suzie, honey, would you please be my mrs.
    suzie says yes with her kisses
    now he’s tickling her fancy, rubbing her toes
    muzzle to muzzle, now, anything goes as they wriggle,
    sue starts to giggle

  357. Tgca says:

    I think it’s good for folks to push back on Trump when they strongly disagree with him but how you do it is what is important. Graham is a good example. He has developed a working relationship with Trump even though at times they were bitter rivals. He knows that direct engagement is a better approach then trying to score brownie points with the MSM.

    Why is it the gay senator must be the grown up in the room?

  358. lisab says:

    si, por amor viviremos
    piense en mi en el momento
    que una linda mujer
    llegue a ti, con su cancion
    cuidate amor solo piensa
    en mi amor en mi

    que yo si te quiero
    yo, que te necesito
    piense en los dos y el amor
    que viviremos

    tu, tu me perteneces
    te mantendre a mi lado
    cuando llegue a ti otra mujer
    quiera tu amor
    recordaras el amor de los dos
    amor

    que yo si te quiero
    yo, que te necesito
    piense en los dos y el amor
    que viviremos
    por siempre

    un amor fugaz
    pronto te puede dejar
    cuando hace la ilusion
    quien su amor te dara

    yo soy, yo soy, yo soy, yo soy
    quien estara contigo
    por amor viviremos
    soy en verdad quien te llena de amor
    que no encontraras
    quien pueda marco mi sinceridad

    yo soy. que yo si te quiero
    yo, que te necesito
    piense en los dos y el amor
    que viviremos
    por siempre

    yo soy, que yo si te quiero
    yo. que te necesito
    piense en los dos y el amor
    que viviremos
    por siempre

  359. lisab says:

    Why is it the gay senator must be the grown up in the room?

    ————————–

    don’t call him gay or corey and robbie will get upset

    he is a 63 year old, never married “bachelor”

  360. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Why is it the gay senator must be the grown up in the room?”

    Why not??

  361. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 37% of Likely U.S. Voters agree with Trump’s decision to remove all U.S. troops from Syria, but 47% disagree. A sizable 16%, however, are undecided.”

  362. Tina says:

    Lyndsey has gotten more granite like than goober like lately.

    I do not know what happened,

    This is scary because I spent a lot of years blasting him, and I just cannot do it now,

  363. jason says:

    Put me with the 47%.

  364. jason says:

    Graham was wrong about Trump just like I was.

    It happens.

  365. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump has insulted many people in and outside his Administration. He is a scumbag of the lowest order. However, he is a useful scumbag since he beat Hillary.

  366. NYCmike says:

    Whatever happened to Lindsay, I hope he keeps it up.

  367. Wes says:

    If I’m interpreting what Janz said in 351 correctly she doesn’t like what Romney wrote because it’s the kind of thing Trump would have written.

  368. Wes says:

    The same people claiming Romney is not being statesmanlike laud Trump for his brash boorishness and were silent when Trump launched into his half-hour presser attacking defeated Republican Congressmen as deserving to lose for not embracing him enough.

    He’s a cad who gets in his own way. All of a sudden though he is sacrosanct because a backbenching incoming Senator from Utah writes an op ed critical of him. Sorry, but Trump has decided to be a pig. Other pols have a right to be critical in return.

    Personally if I were President I wouldn’t waste my time with the words of a freshman Senator. That Romney said something triggered Trump’s supporters though. That Trump spent the better part of two years undermining himself and the GOP doesn’t phase them one bit.

    I’m sorry, but I’m not carrying Trump’s water. If he wants to be an attack dog then he needs to develop a thick skin. This politics, not bean bag. Uplifting every slight no matter how minor by responding vitriolically only looks petty.

  369. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Whatever happened to Lindsay, I hope he keeps it up.”

    Lindsay Graham was as strongly opposed to the Syrian troop withdraw as Romney (I also was for that matter). Graham did the sensible thing and went and talked to Trump, and subsequently changed his position after that discussion.

    Romney should have done likewise; you would think he would want to get situated in the Senate a few days, maybe meet with Trump, and then have taken a public position. Instead he writes an article that is published in the liberal Washington Post, appears on leftist CNN, and basically attacks Trump prior becoming a Senator.

    As they say, once you pull the pin out, Mr. Grenade is not your friend. Romney came across as a petulant primadonna, who appears to want to use his senate position as a soap box. A freshman senator, no matter how prominent, should not act this way.

    I was a strong Romney supporter; and could have supported him in the future; so am very disappointed at what happened.

  370. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    Damn. I thought DW was keeping us up to to date on space exploration.

    Democrats to say, “While Trump wants to waste $5 billion on a wall, the Chinese are exploring the moon” in 3…2….1…

    By the way, shouldn’t the dark side of the moon be…ummm…dark?

  371. Tgca says:

    Wes

    No one is upset that Trump is being criticized, as he deserves to be challenged. We are upset because Romney is coming in with the intention of undermining Trump and the GOP to help the Dem and try and boost himself. He is a fool and has proven time again he can’t be trusted. He groveled and begged for the SOS job just weeks after slandering Trump as being unfit. Why would you want to work for an unfit person? Simply because it would put him on the winning side and shows he is your typical power hungry politician. Romney is out of touch and probably identifies with and represents less than 10% of the electorate. If he wishes to become the useful idiot for the Dems and MSM, that’s his choice but look how that worked out for Flake.

    Romney could care less about anything but which way the current wind is blowing. At least Trump has delivered on some major promises no matter how belligerent he behaves. Romney is more articulate and statesman like, but it’s a facade and he lacks the substance and loyalty to any cause other than himself. He will betray folks quicker than Benedict Arnold.

    The fact that he has been widely criticized by the GOP and his own family says enough about this fool.

  372. Wes says:

    Tgca, I don’t care what Romney’s motivation was. He did to Trump as Trump does to others. I can’t get upset when a glorified schoolyard bully who should exhibit some measure of decorum gets his own tactics thrown back at him.

    If Trump would exhibit the slightest sense of self-control, but I’m not going to prostrate myself before him and rationalize everything he does while being critical when someone gives it back to him as you are. Trump brought this on himself, and quite honestly that Romney went after him bothers me not one bit. Nothing will ever teach Trump to be presidential. That could not be more apparent.

    At the same time, his followers expect deference and decorum toward him when he displays none himself.

    I hate to tell you, but this is only going to get worse—because Trump himself will keep feeding this vicious cycle.

    Let’s look at how another President handled criticism from a Senator of his own party decades ago.

    When Lowell Weicker said Reagan was anti-poor in the ‘80s, Reagan didn’t dignify what Weicker said or act childish by launching into a response. The fortieth President just kept doing what he was doing and won reelection resoundingly. When Weicker lost reelection in 1988, Reagan was either unconnected to the result or only an eminence grise in the outcome. He never dignified Weicker’s criticism or felt the need to attack him personally.

    Trump’s already responded to Romney. For most of the past day, the Trumpkins have been frothing about what Romney said. All of them on here were either silent when Trump savaged Barbara Comstock, Mia Love, et al as deserving to lose for not being his lapdogs or quick to defend his actions.

    Well, hey, now someone gives to Trump what the President gives to other people, and that person is in the wrong.

    You can rationalize it. I’m not. In 22 months, when Trump loses I wonder how many of those decrying what Romney said are going to say Trump should have acted like an adult and maybe not jaded people to this kind of thing. I suspect Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, and every other Republican not named Donald Trump along with “fake news” will be the scapegoats instead of Trump’s own boorish actions.

  373. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – It is amazing that kissing Trump’s ass has become the litmus test to be a Republican. It is especially odd considering that Trump is not even a Republican. He believes only in himself.

    Trump picks people and then savages them. Sessions was Senator for life until Trump chose him as AG. He did a solid job but did not bow to Trump so he was out AND Alabama has a flaming liberal Senator.

  374. Tina says:

    Seems like the Cn and n Quittens contradicted the Amazon post Quittens.

    Another flip flop from the grand father of obumblercare?

  375. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    10h
    Mitt Romney’s schtick wasn’t cool when Evan McMullin ran it two years ago.

    Now it’s just annoying and boring.

  376. Messy says:

    352. When in doubt, attack the typos.

    351. Romney didn’t shoot himself in the foot. He was making a splash. As to the “has beens” charge…the Senate is FULL of former Presidential wannabees. A bunch have had long careers after their first tries. Take Bob Dole, for example. Same with Barry Goldwater, Ed Muskie, George McGovern and John Kerry. Hiram Johnson was still in the Senate a quarter century after challenging President Coolidge in 1924…
    and by the way, John McCain is NOT a “disgruntled has-been” he’s a corpse.

  377. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    20h
    Mitt Romney couldn’t take on a Candy Crowley, and he thinks he’s going to defeat Donald Trump?

    Ahoy, humiliation right ahead! ??????????

    AHOY!

  378. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought the Heritage Foundation invented Romney’s healthcare plan.

  379. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is the definition of a RINO but somehow he gets to determine who is a RINO. Got it.

  380. Messy says:

    Defeating Trump is Chuck and Nancy’s job.

  381. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    12m
    The incoming freshman Republican senator from Utah is the embodiment of what ailed the establishment GOP for 2 decades before Trump won the presidency: a pedigreed, wealthy, elegant loser who cowed to pressure from the media and Democrats every time.

  382. Waingro says:

    Martin O’Malley
    ?Verified account @MartinOMalley

    I will not be running for President in 2020, but I hope Beto O’Rourke does. It’s time for a new generation of leadership.

  383. Waingro says:

    I don’t know, but I think Tina might not like Mitt Romney. 🙂

  384. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Susan Collins(R-ME) can be annoying and frustrating, but she more than deserves my support,and hopefully others, for her bravery during the Kavanaugh hearings.

    Will @SenatorCollins run for reelection in 2020? “That is my intention,” she tells @tcberenson- CNN

  385. Waingro says:

    #382, excellent post, Wes. I couldn’t agree more.

  386. Tina says:

    Kimberly Guilfoyle
    @kimguilfoyle
    BBC News – Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize (link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960) bbc.com/news/world-eur…

  387. Waingro says:

    #394, good news. Her seat is absolutely crucial for holding the fort in the Senate after the 2020 election. That is my bottom line come then.

  388. Tina says:

    No, I like Mitt, I voted for him in 2012.

    I did not call for a brokered convention, question his faith, and/or was happy that Obama won, like other posters here.

  389. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not always agree with Tina but I am glad that she is here.

  390. Diamond Jim says:

    CD

  391. Waingro says:

    #398, got ya, but your carpet bombing of very anti-Romney tweets and links suggests you may no longer feel the same?

  392. Tina says:

    Elizabeth Warren
    @SenWarren
    Over 7,000 people in Massachusetts have been sent home or are working without pay during the #TrumpShutdown. Until @realDonaldTrump re-opens the government, I’m donating my salary to @HIASrefugees, a nonprofit that helps refugees and makes our country stronger in the process.

    How come Pocahontas won’t give her salary to Federal employees that may need it? Why give it to a non profit that “helps” refugees?

  393. jason says:

    “All of them on here were either silent when Trump savaged Barbara Comstock, Mia Love, et al as deserving to lose for not being his lapdogs or quick to defend his actions.”

    Not me. I have always been critical of Trump’s attacks on fellow Rs, I have repeatedly said they were stupid and self defeating and would come back to bite him. In fact, I originally said I would never vote for Trump based exclusively on his attacks on McCain’s service record. I have been critical of Trump’s attacks on Corker, Flake, and other because I always thought there was no upside to them.

    But Romney’s op-ed was pure garbage, just a gratuitous attack that makes no sense except as a petty, vindictive and despicable exercise of lack of good political judgment, same as what Trump is criticized for.

    Romney missed a good opportunity to be a leader and a statesman, and instead decided to see if he could best Trump in gutter politics. There is no upside to Romney’s idiotic op-ed except to bolster the Democrats and the MSM. Romney is foolish and naive if he thinks the left now loves him, he should be smarter than that. To them he is just a dumb tool doing their bidding, to be discarded at the first opportunity.

    Thus, I will add him to my list of scumbags. His lack of character is a true disappointment.

  394. jason says:

    To me it’s hilarious that those who hated Trump for attacking fellow Republicans now deem Romney a hero for attacking a fellow Republican.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  395. jason says:

    Excellent, my feelings exactly.

    “But now, after reading his Washington Post jihad against Trump, I finally figured what Mitt Romney really is … an idiot.

    Romney might have a high IQ, but he’s a political moron.

    Let’s first dispel with the idea that Romney wrote this op-ed out of some pressing moral need to condemn Trump’s supposed indecency. Decent people don’t contribute to the far-left Washington Post, a news outlet that published a countless number of lies to sabotage Romney, that attacks the children of Republicans, that tells almost as many lies as CNN.

    Secondly, decent people sure as hell do not then run to a blacklisting, violence-promoting gangster outfit like CNN to promote that op-ed, and do so specifically with a presidential-penis-obsessed serial liar like Jake Tapper, who is so gosh-darned virtuous he remained silent as his own audience booed a rape victim.

    Oh, and let us never forget the series of fake news depth charges CNN dropped on Romney in 2012.

    So why would Romney do such a thing? Why would Mr. Decency align himself with objectively indecent organizations and people?

    And now we come to the part about Romney being a moron.

    Just as his fellow moron John McCain believed in 2008, I think Romney actually believes two things…

    1) Sucking up to the media by backstabbing the sitting Republican president is a path to another shot at the Oval Office.

    2) When he does run for president again, the same media that relentlessly tarred him as a sexist, racist, plutocrat, job-killing corporate raider who tortures dogs, bullies gays, and gives women cancer, will appreciate him this time.

    As far as number one, I think I speak for many Republican voters, including those who vigorously supported Romney in 2012, when I say kiss my ass. Screw you, you preening, backstabbing, undermining, half-witted peacock whose first official act as an incoming U.S. Senator is to sucker punch Trump, the man who not only endorsed you in Utah, but did so graciously after you launched a series of unhinged and very personal attacks against Trump during the 2016 campaign.”

  396. NYCmike says:

    #381 – not one word about Romney pledging loyalty to Trump

    Wes and Bitterlaw and Waingro join the crowd who say “Trumpkins”, which, I guess, includes the likes of Tina, jason, janz, Tgca, and myself, are insisting that Romney get in line and kiss Trump’s arse.

    Like the 2 Jebbots, they are totally ignoring what we are are saying, and interpreting it in an incorrect way, instead of actually reading what is written.

  397. CG says:

    Trump is not a Republican. He is a danger to Republicans. That was clear in the last midterm. He deserves to be attacked from all quarters as long as he is in political life.

    Trump has been attacking Republicans for decades.

    It is ludicrous to compare the substantive, measured way Romney criticized Trump (and even NYCMike said Romney went out of his way to be fair to Trump in pointing out areas of approval, which according to NYCMike though is a sign of weakness) with the complete and utter falsehoods and ad hominem personal attacks that Trump levels against everyone.

    -jason left the Republican Party because of Trump and now demands that those who stayed in the Republican Party treat him with kid gloves. That of course is the real hypocrisy.

  398. jason says:

    Does anyone except Romney really disagree with this?

    “When he does run for president again, the same media that relentlessly tarred him as a sexist, racist, plutocrat, job-killing corporate raider who tortures dogs, bullies gays, and gives women cancer, will appreciate him this time.”

  399. NYCmike says:

    The best part is that Wes knows these politicians are a bunch of weaklings, and holds them to a lower standard than I do. He can’t even ask them to write legislation if the “pig” isn’t backing them up. I guess that is another reason why Wes often abdicates his responsibility to choose who will sit in the White House.

    Weak.

  400. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney is not a hero. Trump is not a Republican. Both can be true.

  401. jason says:

    ason left the Republican Party because of Trump”

    I see Corey is repeating the same lies as his wing man Amoral Scumbag.

    I never said I left the party because of Trump. Trump is a symptom of a party that no longer reflects the ideals that attracted me to it when I got to this country.

  402. CG says:

    So, those of us who stayed in the party retain the right to criticize him and what he stands for.

  403. CG says:

    You said many times you would quit the party if Trump won.

    You insisted for months before the 2016 election that you would never vote for Pat Toomey or any other Republican who supported Trump.

  404. CG says:

    You said many times you would quit the party if Trump won.

    You insisted for months before the 2016 election that you would never vote for Pat Toomey or any other Republican who supported Trump..

  405. jason says:

    substantive, measured way Romney criticized Trump ”

    Zzzzz… there was nothing measured or substantive.

    It was 95% pure and gratuitous trash talk, truly despicable and reveals Romney to be an opportunistic scumbag.

  406. Bitterlaw says:

    407 GFY, NYC. I have never called anybody a Trumpkin.

    I would prefer that Romney not have published that op-ed. Trump is scum. Romney is a decent man. Romney should vote with the GOP and let Trump be scum.

  407. NYCmike says:

    “CG” could criticize Trump on spending. I would join him in that criticism.

    Of course, at the same time, I would criticize the people who were in charge of the House of Representatives at the time of that ridiculous spending……..but “CG” will not do the same……you see, in his Civics 101 class, Trump is a dictator, and controls every branch of government.

    You know, all 3 branches, the White House, the House, and the Senate……./

  408. CG says:

    Once again, nobody is willing to dispute one word said by Romney in terms of Trump’s character.

    The argument is about “the media.” I think if Romney was trying to suck up to the media he would not have bothered to say things like he liked when Jeff Sessions became Attorney General or the several policy areas he stated he agreed with the Administration on.

    Romney was not writing this for the media. He wrote it for disgruntled and concerned Republicans in and out of Washington who want someone to say something and realize that his position (and state) put him in a somewhat unique position to be able to criticize Trump.

    But the idea that by somehow sweeping Trump’s horrible human characteristics and unfitness for the Presidency is going to make the “team win” is crazy.

    It’s very simple. People need to take sides as to whether or not DJT is the person to lead the Republican Party going forward or not. We are very divided on that.

  409. CG says:

    Nowhere in the Op-Ed was one insulting word or nickname or anything of the sort.

    “Trash talk” is what Trump does, not what Romney did. Romney focused on the substance and on policy differences.

  410. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is scum. Romney is a decent man. Romney should vote with the GOP and let Trump be scum.”

    -I noticed that you did not write “Trump is not a Republican.” again.

    I guess you are still able to learn once new evidence is presented to you.

  411. jason says:

    u insisted for months before the 2016 election that you would never vote for Pat Toomey or any other Republican who supported Trump”

    I briefly considered not voting for Toomey, but not for months.

    Bitter quickly made a good point that there was no upside in not supporting Toomey, and I voted for him.

    And actually during the primary campaign I never said I would quit the party, I made that decision after the election.

    Stop lying, but I guess you can’t help yourself.

    As I pointed out many times since I quit the party, it was not because of Trump, it was because I feel the party no longer represents the ideals of small government, personal responsibility, and a commitment to free enterprise, free trade, and a strong defense of America’s interests around the world.

  412. Barrett says:

    While I did say yesterday I favor Romney over Trump, I will word it this way – Romney’s criticism of Trump was not necessary. If Romney was frustrated with Trump because of Syria, then he could have voiced his objections and left it at that. An article blasting the president wasn’t necessary.

  413. NYCmike says:

    “Romney focused on the substance and on policy differences.”

    -Substance? Policy differences?

    NOW we are getting somewhere!

    Ok, let’s see the accompanying legislation to go with that “substance” on “policy differences”.

  414. CG says:

    “no longer represents the ideals of small government, personal responsibility, and a commitment to free enterprise, free trade, and a strong defense of America’s interests around the world.”

    So, you can say that but a U.S. Senator cannot.

    True hypocrisy.

  415. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Saying Trump is not a Republican is like a continuing objection in court. I always mean it but it saves extra typing to omit it at times.

  416. jason says:

    I would prefer that Romney not have published that op-ed. Trump is scum. Romney is a decent man.”

    I thought he was a decent man too. Nobody has defended Mitt Romney here more than I have. Even today I was tempted to argue against the characterization of Romney as the inventor of Obamacare, that is BS.

    But I have changed my mind. I think Romney is an opportunistic scumbag. I will never support him for any public office again, and I will never think of him again as something other than despicable.

  417. CG says:

    I hardly find one word of what Romney said “blasting” Trump, even if I would have enjoyed it if he did.

    There is *zero* in the Op-Ed that Romney has not said about Trump in 2016, 2017, and 2018.

    Romney has written Op-Eds and lengthy essays on his website before. He has Tweeted many times, including as a Senate candidate in opposition to Trump’s policies and rhetoric. He specifically said just a few months ago that Trump’s racism was a disqualifying factor for the Presidency.

    Nothing new was covered in the Op-Ed. Trump is the one who knows that Romney believes these thing about him and still called him a “straight shooter.”

    Perhaps, Trump is truly a dope.

  418. NYCmike says:

    ““no longer represents the ideals of small government,”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-issues-fewest-regulations-ever-record-low-unconstitutionality-index

    Whom are we speaking about here?

  419. jason says:

    So, you can say that but a U.S. Senator cannot.

    True hypocrisy.”

    LOL

    I was talking about the party, not Trump.

    GFY.

  420. NYCmike says:

    “But I have changed my mind. I think Romney is an opportunistic scumbag. I will never support him for any public office again, and I will never think of him again as something other than despicable.”

    -A lot of you are absolutists, I see.

    If it is Romney vs a Democrat, I would vote for Romney. He couldn’t be a worse President than either Bush…….could he?

  421. CG says:

    Since absolutely nothing was said in the Op-Ed which was not said by Romney about Trump before (when in fact he used even harsher rhetoric towards Trump), it is clear that the manufactured outrage here comes in the terms of marching orders from those associated with Trump who are very fearful that Republicans will look at the midterm results, look at the complete and utter dysfunction of the Administration, and look ahead to a likely defeat in 2020, and turn on Trump.

    Those fears, as seen by the hysterical and over the top whining and crying here about a Mitt Romney Op-Ed are perhaps well-founded.

  422. NYCmike says:

    small government = MORE rules and regulations??

    OR LESS?

  423. Barrett says:

    Politics 101 – To be a Republican, the only REAL thing you have to do is consistently SAY you are a Republican.

    Having said that, Trump is a Republican. He ran under the Republican ticket, won, and holds up to a majority of the Republican platform.

    Mitt Romney is also a Republican. Both can be true.

  424. jason says:

    Whom are we speaking about here?”

    I was speaking about the party.

    But, if you want to know, Trump is no friend of small government either.

    Trump is only slightly less enamored with the nanny state than the Democrats. He is a corporate capitalist of the worse kind.

    He is dying to throw away a trillion dollars on “infrastructure”.

  425. NYCmike says:

    “CG” keeps ignoring the platform, and the timing, which are the main issues.

    Similar to JEB!2016, and his terrible campaign.

  426. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope that Jason will at least agree with me that Trump is scum. I would like to heal this A-hole fissure.

  427. CG says:

    Just yesterday, Trump mused that it was appropriate for the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan in 1979. The words he spoke could have been spoken directly by Vladmir Putin and people are “outraged” that Mitt Romney expressed policy differences with Trump (while still going out of his way to point out the things he agreed with)

  428. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-issues-fewest-regulations-ever-record-low-unconstitutionality-index

    -jason,

    President Trump, and his picks for cabinet positions, are the major reasons for this.

    Please stop denying what has already taken place.

    Cheers.

  429. NYCmike says:

    “Just yesterday, Trump mused that it was appropriate for the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan in 1979.”

    -Maybe you should have highlighted this instead of elevating Romney to sainthood.

  430. jason says:

    I would vote for Romney over any of the Dems.

    I can do that even if I think he is a despicable scumbag, and I certainly would not support him against Trump in a primary, not that I vote in R primaries anymore.

    What is the point? That ideologically Romney is better than the moonbats on the Dem side.

    Okayyy…..

  431. CG says:

    -jason expressed zero outrage the several times that Bob Corker said that Trump needed to be under control of the “Adult Day Care staff” at the White House.

    Romney said nothing like that. Corker’s retort is far more Trumpian than anything Romney said.

    But Corker is leaving and Romney is arriving, so the marching orders that have probably been emailed to jason from the Trump Team are to go nuclear on Romney and call Romney a scumbag.

    The Trump team fears that his hold on the party is a very precarious one.

  432. jason says:

    I hope that Jason will at least agree with me that Trump is scum. I would like to heal this A-hole fissure.”

    I never said otherwise.

    But he has certainly turned out to be a much better President than I ever thought he would be.

    Both can be true.

  433. NYCmike says:

    Quick questions: Has Trump changed at all since 2012?

    Did Romney want Trump’s endorsement in 2012?

  434. jason says:

    -jason,

    President Trump, and his picks for cabinet positions, are the major reasons for this.

    Please stop denying what has already taken place.

    Cheers.”

    Hey Moron, where did I deny anything took place?

    What I said is that Trump is no friend of small government.

    I certainly appreciate any drop in regulations and I have certainly given him credit for deregulation.

  435. CG says:

    Yes, he has changed on many issues since 2012. Remember that in December of 2012, Trump said Hillary Clinton should be President. He has been all over the map.

    Romney has expressed regret for accepting Trump’s 2012 endorsement. It is of course worth noting that Trump wanted to be a surrogate in the campaign and have a high-profile role and he was denied.

  436. NYCmike says:

    jason @ 11:10AM: “I will never support him for any public office again, and I will never think of him again as something other than despicable.”

    jason @ 11:18AM: “I would vote for Romney over any of the Dems.”

    Off the meds?

  437. CG says:

    When Trump endorsed Hillary for President after the 2012 elections, and said that Bill Clinton had been the best President of his lifetime, he specifically said that Romney had been far too harsh on the issue of border security and illegal immigration. He even called him “maniacal” and said that he took such a harsh position that Republicans could never win.

    Trump was at that time signaling an alignment with liberal Democrats on the illegal immigration issue, but then when he ran for President, he changed course dramatically, and to this day, people like NYC actually believe him on the issue.

  438. jason says:

    Romney said nothing like that. Corker’s retort is far more Trumpian than anything Romney said.”

    I already said yesterday Romney was free to disagree with Trump on any issue he chose.

    I disagree frequently with Trump on many issues ranging from trade to foreign policy to the wall.

    But Romney’s attack dog Op-ed was not about issues, it was just a gratuitous personal attack, with no rhyme or reason except to ingratiate himself to the MSM, that is what made it so disgusting.

    If Romney had written an op-ed critical of Trump’s trade policy, focused and objective, I would be the first one here posting it.

  439. NYCmike says:

    Trump wants Hillary to be President.
    (“CG” accepts that statement as GOSPEL fact).
    Trump beats her like a rented mule to become President in 2016.

    Trump says he will reduce the size and scope of government, like any Republican would want him to.
    (“CG” ignores this part of the Republican platform).
    Trump does what he says, and continues to do so today.

    “CG”: “Trump is a liar. I am a better person than he is.”

  440. CG says:

    Anybody who actually read the Op-Ed could see it was exclusively about issues and contained not a single personal insult or derogatory term.

    If I was wrong, it would be easy to prove otherwise. jason seriously might have some medication issues.

  441. CG says:

    It is a fact that after the 2012 election, Trump said that Hillary had been the best Secretary of State America had ever had (right before she left office serving under Obama) and said she was the best person to be President.

    Then, he ran himself and turned on her, though he exclusively attacked Republicans for months first.

    But can anything Trump says be believed when he has been all over the map like that?

  442. jason says:

    jason @ 11:10AM: “I will never support him for any public office again, and I will never think of him again as something other than despicable.”

    jason @ 11:18AM: “I would vote for Romney over any of the Dems.”

    Remember Jul who voted for Democrats but didn’t support them?

    What I meant was that I will never support Romney’s CANDIDACY for anything again.

    Would I vote for him over Kamala Harris? Yes.

    You probably would too.

  443. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    What would be the concrete, substantive issues raised by Romney yesterday?

    What issue did he disagree with Trump on, and what was his idea for a better solution?

    Please link to that part of the op-ed of which you are speaking, in the same way I linked to certain parts of it yesterday.

  444. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    I thought you had gone the Wes route and decided to abdicate responsibility on a regular basis.

  445. jason says:

    Anybody who actually read the Op-Ed could see it was exclusively about issues and contained not a single personal insult or derogatory term.”

    Looks like Corey didn’t actually read the op-ed, he probably read the MSM’s interpretation of it.

    It was 95% gutter trash politics and one long personal attack.

    Even the National Review, no friend of Trump, is slamming it

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/mitt-romneys-donald-trump-attack-op-ed-counterproductive/

  446. CG says:

    Again, one can look at everything Romney has ever said about Trump and see that his rhetoric was a good deal harsher and more judgmental against Trump as a Senate candidate in Utah than as a Senator-elect. He wrote in great detail about Trump and racism as a Senate candidate and about Trump’s attacks on the media. Those topics was barely broached in the Op-Ed.

    The outrage was basically absent then but not jason and others feel like they have to be on a jihad against Romney.

    The difference? The midterms happened, Republicans suffered large losses, especially in the suburbs, and chaos is consuming the Administration causing respected figures to leave or be pushed out.

    So, jason is acting out of panic.

  447. NYCmike says:

    “But can anything Trump says be believed when he has been all over the map like that?”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-issues-fewest-regulations-ever-record-low-unconstitutionality-index

    -Have you looked at this once, and listened to what Trump promised to do in the campaign?

  448. CG says:

    In the Op-Ed, Romney took issue with Trump’s statement that America has been “suckers” in all the years since WWII.

    He wrote about his disappointment that Mattis and Kelly were pushed out and about the abandonment of our allies in Syria.

    Much of what he wrote was broad based and generic about the need to stand with allies and not let Russia and China gain further global influence.

    Frankly, Mattis’s resignation letter was harsher on Trump than what Romney wrote a few days ago.

  449. Robbie says:

    I look forward to seeing how the Trump sycophants like Tinfoil Tina and Jason fraud explain how Trump was right when he said yesterday the Soviet Union was right to invade Afghanistan.

    Trumpism requires that they create a convoluted explanation for his comments.

  450. jason says:

    Posted yesterday but worth repeating.

    Contrary to Corey, Romney’s own niece knows what a despicable personal attack looks like.

    Ronna McDaniel
    (@GOPChairwoman)
    POTUS is attacked and obstructed by the MSM media and Democrats 24/7. For an incoming Republican freshman senator to attack @realdonaldtrump as their first act feeds into what the Democrats and media want and is disappointing and unproductive.

  451. Robbie says:

    Trump could crap on NYCmike’s face and NYCmike would say it’s great because Trump is cutting regulations that every other Republican would have cut had they been president.

  452. CG says:

    Maybe Ronna thinks Trump will put her in his will.

  453. CG says:

    For decades, Republicans claimed to be the Party of Reagan, but now that Trump has endorsed the Soviet invasion of Aghanistan, people are fine with it being the Party of Brehznev.

  454. jason says:

    Basically, Romney played to the TDS victims and the MSM.

    They are the only ones defending his stupid op-ed.

    Well, Flake liked it too.

    Romney is now a scumbag. Deal with it.

  455. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 3, 2019 at 11:37 am
    Posted yesterday but worth repeating.
    Contrary to Corey, Romney’s own niece knows what a despicable personal attack looks like.

    – In Jason fraud’s book, calling out the lack of morality in Trump’s life is a despicable personal attack, but screwing a porn star three months after Trump’s third wife gave birth is awesome.

  456. CG says:

    Robbie, do you have a few hours to deal with this crowd? I have other things I could be doing and I was holding the fort here most of yesterday..

  457. NYCmike says:

    I see that our self-claimed “devout Roman Catholic” has descended from the heavens above to grace us with……..”crap on ….face”……

    Joy To The World INDEED!

  458. jason says:

    hat every other Republican would have cut had they been president.”

    Actually probably not.

    Trump has done a good job on deregulation, I don’t take that away from him. I give him credit where its due.

    THe reasons most R Presidents don’t do it is because they are afraid of special interests.

  459. Robbie says:

    Again, I am so going to look forward to mocking Jason fraud and the rest of the Trump sycophants after Trump is resoundingly beaten in 2020.

  460. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    They have confession every day in my parish.

    How about in yours?

    Or was your priest getting too personal with you?

  461. NYCmike says:

    “Again, I am so going to look forward to mocking Jason fraud and the rest of the Trump sycophants after Trump is resoundingly beaten in 2020.”

    -BUT, he doesn’t want the Democrat to win…..

  462. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 3, 2019 at 11:42 am
    Robbie, do you have a few hours to deal with this crowd? I have other things I could be doing and I was holding the fort here most of yesterday..

    – This a drive by. Back later in the afternoon.

  463. jason says:

    but screwing a porn star”

    That’s all you have right, and Trump has been President for 2 years.

    Hilarious.

  464. jason says:

    Notice that Stormy is a slutty scummy “porn star” when Trump screws her.

    When she sues Trump, she is Mother Teresa, and everything she says is true and golden.

    And Amoral Scumbag wonders why he is called Amoral Scumbag.

  465. jason says:

    s after Trump is resoundingly beaten in 2020.”

    Sounds like he will be here celebrating like he did when Obama was elected.

    Some things are always the same.

  466. CG says:

    This filter is mystifying me…

    I am trying to say that NYC would not be necessarily be happy if Trump did that in his face but he would be quick to point out that thanks to Trump’s eating habits, the experience was far more pleasant than it would have been if it was Obama doing the same…

  467. NYCmike says:

    “because Trump is cutting regulations that every other Republican would have cut had they been president.”

    -And this can be proven because the crap-py devout Catholic said so!

  468. jason says:

    CG says:
    January 3, 2019 at 11:42 am

    Robbie, do you have a few hours to deal with this crowd? ”

    Isn’t that sweet?

    The Jebbots are going to take turns.

  469. NYCmike says:

    Thanks to Robbie and “CG”, we now know what JEB!2016 was serving in those Guac bowls.

  470. CG says:

    In the Op-Ed, Romney even specifically gave Trump credit on de-regulation policy. Such a scumbag move..

    But as Romney said there is more to a Presidency than just policies or appointments.

    I guess those of you who like Trump just disagree. I think that’s unfortunate but I accept our division on the matter for what it is.

    I note that not a single person here has said that Romney is wrong because Trump is a person of good character.

    The truth is that none of you care if he is “fit” for the office or not. Deep down, you admit he is not. It’s just about wanting someone to fight the media.

  471. jason says:

    n Jason fraud’s book, calling out the lack of morality in Trump’s life”

    Is that what Romney did?

    According to Corey, Romney was about issues.

    If you guys are going to take turns, you should get on the same page first.

  472. CG says:

    I think Robbie and I both would have loved for Romney to have actually insulted Trump.

    But he did no such thing.

    Romney is a better human than anyone who posts here.

  473. CG says:

    Romney has actually never commented on Trump’s personal life at all.

    Trump comments on everyone else’s personal life though, and that’s “ok.”

  474. jason says:

    The truth is that none of you care if he is “fit” for the office or not.”

    I do.

    I didn’t vote for him because I didn’t think he was fit for office.

    But he has been in office 2 years. I was wrong.
    I might not like a lot of what Trump does or says, but I have no doubt he is fit for office. The proof is in the pudding.

    You were wrong too, but you are not man enough to admit it, so you just pretend its still the 2016 c campaign and nothing has happened since.

  475. CG says:

    Can anyone seriously deny that the lengthy Op-eds that Romney wrote about Trump in both August of 2017 and August of 2018, focusing on race and Charlottesville was far harsher than his recent New Year Op-Ed?

    Are you guys trying to make up for lost time?

  476. CG says:

    He’s not fit. For just about anything. The man is seriously deranged.

    And I do not believe one can be both a scumbag and a good President. I find that concept incompatible but I know others disagree.

  477. jason says:

    I used to think Romney had better character than Trump.

    No longer.

    His op-ed was the ultimate example of lack of character.

    I am sure deep down Corey knows that, he just feels compelled to support Trump because it fits in with the TDS.

    The ends justify the means.

  478. jason says:

    Huh, support Romney.

  479. CG says:

    -jason reeks of panic. Maybe there is a medication for that.

  480. jason says:

    “focusing on race and Charlottesville”

    I didn’t read those op-eds, but you destroyed your own argument.

    This op-ed was just a gratuitous personal attack.

    If the others were focused on specific issues, I already said I have no objection.

  481. CG says:

    One can look at everything Romney has ever written about Trump or stated in a prepared speech and see that in the most recent Op-Ed, he speaks more favorably about Trump than he ever did before. He went out of his way to praise policies and appointments.

    If you guys were smart, you would focus on that. He also said that he would not be commenting as a Senator on every Tweet or flaw.

    The panicked word to attack went out because Trumpworld is imploding.

  482. jason says:

    I am panicked that Rs might lose the 2020 election to the Dems, with the help of Romney it looks like.

  483. NYCmike says:

    “And I do not believe one can be both a scumbag and a good President.”

    -Only a Mother Theresa-type would have hired a Lee Atwater to run their campaigns./

    Please note: I hope Trump can find another person just like him.

  484. CG says:

    Read Romney’s previous Op-Eds. He speaks far more negatively about Trump personally than what has you so panicked this week.

    In none of them though does he use derogatory names or terms though to express his disagreement.

    He did though, sorta, in 2016 when he publicly called Trump a fraud and a con-man.

    Everyone knows he was right then and is right now. You just want him to shut up about it because of “the team.”

  485. CG says:

    I will challenge anyone to cut and paste any specific word or phrase from the Op-Ed that can be described as a “personal attack.”

    You all know that can’t be done if you bothered to actually read it.

  486. sandiegocitizen says:

    Trump’s comments about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan were truly stupid. It is as if he is trying to vindicate Romney’s attack on him. Losing Kelly and Matthis remains a cause for concern.

  487. NYCmike says:

    Yesterday, when accused of not reading the op-ed, I went to the op-ed, linked specific parts, and then made comments.

    Today, the person who accused other of NOT READING the op-ed, is asked to link to concrete substantive criticism, and the writers own solutions, which the accuser has said is in the op-ed.

    That person has not linked anything yet…..still waiting.

  488. CG says:

    NYC, you linked to a couple parts and indicated you agreed with Romney on them, so I am not sure what you were trying to accomplish.

  489. jason says:

    I don’t know what the “panic” would be about.

    Of course I would rather see a united party going into 2020. But it doesn’t look like that will happen. I would love to see the party coalesce around Trump because I don’t see anyone else that could possible win.

    And of course, unity not happen if Trump is not the candidate either.

    I think Trump is still the best option for Rs at this point, but that doesn’t mean I think he would be favored either.

    The fact we are so divided is certainly detrimental. But getting rid of Trump is not going to heal any divisions.

  490. NYCmike says:

    “CG” stated there was substance about policy differences………link to it. Show the words in the op-ed which you claim to be substantive policy differences, and Romney’s solutions.

  491. NYCmike says:

    Still waiting for the substance that you said was there.

    Anything?

  492. CG says:

    NYC has invited me to post Romney’s Op-Ed word for word. Thanks to him, I will do so.

    I did not claim that Romney had a specific policy bluepoint but spoke in broad terms about matters, specifically foreign policy

  493. CG says:

    The Trump presidency made a deep descent in December. The departures of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and White House Chief of Staff John F.?Kelly, the appointment of senior persons of lesser experience, the abandonment of allies who fight beside us, and the president’s thoughtless claim that America has long been a “sucker” in world affairs all defined his presidency down.

    This is very specific. You even said the same thing yourself NYC about being upset about Mattis being pushed out.

  494. CG says:

    It is well known that Donald Trump was not my choice for the Republican presidential nomination. After he became the nominee, I hoped his campaign would refrain from resentment and name-calling. It did not. When he won the election, I hoped he would rise to the occasion. His early appointments of Rex Tillerson, Jeff Sessions, Nikki Haley, Gary Cohn, H.R. McMaster, Kelly and Mattis were encouraging. But, on balance, his conduct over the past two years, particularly his actions last month, is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office.

    Very specific here too. Praising the Cabinet. Something NYC has insisted that others do.

  495. CG says:

    It is not that all of the president’s policies have been misguided. He was right to align U.S. corporate taxes with those of global competitors, to strip out excessive regulations, to crack down on China’s unfair trade practices, to reform criminal justice and to appoint conservative judges. These are policies mainstream Republicans have promoted for years. But policies and appointments are only a part of a presidency.

    Romney shows that he has agreement with the President, even on China trade matters.

  496. CG says:

    To a great degree, a presidency shapes the public character of the nation. A president should unite us and inspire us to follow “our better angels.” A president should demonstrate the essential qualities of honesty and integrity, and elevate the national discourse with comity and mutual respect. As a nation, we have been blessed with presidents who have called on the greatness of the American spirit. With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable. And it is in this province where the incumbent’s shortfall has been most glaring.

    I know Trump fans disagree with this part, but most would have been applauding when it was said of Clinton.

  497. CG says:

    The world is also watching. America has long been looked to for leadership. Our economic and military strength was part of that, of course, but our enduring commitment to principled conduct in foreign relations, and to the rights of all people to freedom and equal justice, was even more esteemed. Trump’s words and actions have caused dismay around the world. In a 2016 Pew Research Center poll, 84 percent of people in Germany, Britain, France, Canada and Sweden believed the American president would “do the right thing in world affairs.” One year later, that number had fallen to 16 percent.

    Whether one cares or not, he does point to a specific data set.

  498. CG says:

    This comes at a very unfortunate time. Several allies in Europe are experiencing political upheaval. Several former Soviet satellite states are rethinking their commitment to democracy. Some Asian nations, such as the Philippines, lean increasingly toward China, which advances to rival our economy and our military. The alternative to U.S. world leadership offered by China and Russia is autocratic, corrupt and brutal.

    The world needs American leadership, and it is in America’s interest to provide it. A world led by authoritarian regimes is a world — and an America — with less prosperity, less freedom, less peace.

    Romney clearly states his worldview in broard terms.

  499. jason says:

    I will challenge anyone to cut and paste any specific word or phrase from the Op-Ed that can be described as a “personal attack.”

    LOL…this is not a personal attack?

    Mitt Romney: The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short.

    This is not a personal attack”

    “But, on balance, his conduct over the past two years, particularly his actions last month, is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office.”

    Accusing the President of not having honesty and integrity is not a personal attack?

    “A president should demonstrate the essential qualities of honesty and integrity, and elevate the national discourse with comity and mutual respect.”

    Accusing the President of “glaring” lack of leadership in character is not a personal attack?

    “With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable. And it is in this province where the incumbent’s shortfall has been most glaring.”

  500. Waingro says:

    “Trump’s comments about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan were truly stupid. It is as if he is trying to vindicate Romney’s attack on him. Losing Kelly and Matthis remains a cause for concern.”

    Agreed. And, small sample size, but I know a number of VERY strong Trump conservative supporters (effectively MAGA’s), who are extremely concerned with the above.

    His continued attacks — particularly on Mathis who left the Defense Secretary position very honorably IMO — further exacerbate those concerns.

  501. CG says:

    To reassume our leadership in world politics, we must repair failings in our politics at home. That project begins, of course, with the highest office once again acting to inspire and unite us. It includes political parties promoting policies that strengthen us rather than promote tribalism by exploiting fear and resentment. Our leaders must defend our vital institutions despite their inevitable failings: a free press, the rule of law, strong churches, and responsible corporations and unions.

    One may agree or disagree, but I think he states it very professionally and courteously.

  502. jason says:

    Trash talk at its worst. Despicable.

  503. CG says:

    We must repair our fiscal foundation, setting a course to a balanced budget. We must attract the best talent to America’s service and the best innovators to America’s economy.

    America is strongest when our arms are linked with other nations. We want a unified and strong Europe, not a disintegrating union. We want stable relationships with the nations of Asia that strengthen our mutual security and prosperity.

    He offers general statement of principle. Does Trump agree with this or not?

  504. CG says:

    I look forward to working on these priorities with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other senators.

    Furthermore, I will act as I would with any president, in or out of my party: I will support policies that I believe are in the best interest of the country and my state, and oppose those that are not. I do not intend to comment on every tweet or fault. But I will speak out against significant statements or actions that are divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest or destructive to democratic institutions.

    He pledges to vote as a conservative Senator but to speak out when he feels compelled. Good for him.

  505. CG says:

    I remain optimistic about our future. In an innovation age, Americans excel. More importantly, noble instincts live in the hearts of Americans. The people of this great land will eschew the politics of anger and fear if they are summoned to the responsibility by leaders in homes, in churches, in schools, in businesses, in government — who raise our sights and respect the dignity of every child of God — the ideal that is the essence of America.

    He is an optimist and believes in the people. Perhaps the most obvious distinction with Trump.

  506. NYCmike says:

    “NYC has invited me to post Romney’s Op-Ed word for word. Thanks to him, I will do so.”

    -Typical.

    And you say that Trump is a liar.

    Amazing how quickly Romney’s op-ed went from substance about policy differences to speaking in broad terms about “matters”.

    Thanks for proving my point, as well as jason’s, janz’s, Tgca’s, and every other person who considered it a petty and disgusting act by a typical politician looking to curry favor with the liberal press which will eat him alive when and if it decides to turn on him, just like it did in 2012.

  507. jason says:

    Note to Corey.

    There was nothing professional or courteous or measured in the Op-ed.

    It was one litany of trash talk gutter personal attack politics from one end to the other.

    It was 100% directed at currying favor with the left wing media.

    No other purpose.

  508. CG says:

    Not one word of “trash talk” there.

    One can disagree with Romney’s worldview if they wish (as Tina does) but bitching about this otherwise is just panic that Trump is Humpty Dumpty and is about to be cracked wide open.

  509. jason says:

    Romney maybe now has a few more friends at MSNBC and CNN.

    But he has lost a lot of people like me who were loyal to him for decades.

    Time will tell if it was a good trade off

  510. CG says:

    If Romney wrote this to get the media or Democrats to like it, there is far more he would have said.

    Democrats are saying that Romney was far too deferential to Trump in the Op-Ed. I will look forward to him being tougher in the future. Someone needs to hold Trump accountable despite the fear of his sycophants.

  511. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV’s Carol “Miller is the lone Republican woman entering the House of Representatives for the first time; 29 Republican men were also sworn in for the first time.

    In comparison, 35 new Democratic lawmakers of the 62 Democratic freshmen are women”.

  512. sandiegocitizen says:

    504. Romney’s statement that Trump did not rise to the mantle of president is a personal attack, the press referred it it as “insulting” Trump.

  513. jason says:

    One can disagree with Romney’s worldview if they wish ”

    I certainly agree with his world view more than I agree with Trump’s.

    But this was not about world view, it was about a petty, vindictive, despicable personal attack that was completely gratuitous and showed a marked lack of character, statesmanship and political judgment.

  514. CG says:

    In August of 2017, Romney wrote specifically that Trump’s racism disqualified him for the Presidency.

    That was a lot harsher than what was said in this Op-Ed.

    Then, you were predicting a “Red Wave”, now, panic has set in about the future.

    Hence, the very different reaction from sheeple like jason.

  515. CG says:

    Sorry, August 2018.

  516. jason says:

    Yep, if you google it “scathing attack” is the predominant description

    Corey can pretend it was “courteous”, he pretended Jeb Bush was a viable candidate too.

  517. CG says:

    Will anybody state affirmative that Romney is wrong and that Trump has risen to the mantle of the Presidency?

    Doesn’t seem anyone is willing to say that. You just want it swept under the rug.

  518. sandiegocitizen says:

    522. How was Romney too deferential to Trump? By praising him for enacting Republican based policies? If you think Romney should be making you and the Democrats happy, stop claiming to be a Republican.

  519. CG says:

    The Democrats are saying he was. They say that unless he votes in the Senate against Trump, none of what he says matters. I completely disagree.

    I have zero problems with Romney’s Op-ed. I don’t have to agree with every word of it.

    I expect that Romney realized that Trump and his minions would respond the panicked way they did and that harsher volleys are forthcoming.

  520. NYCmike says:

    “Will anybody state affirmative that Romney is wrong and that Trump has risen to the mantle of the Presidency?”

    -First, define “mantle of the Presidency”.

    Then, seek out stories from WAPO and CNN while the past Republican Presidents have been in office, and compare them to how they treated Democratic Presidents.

    Lastly, ask yourself “is it better for this country to have a Democratic candidate defeat Trump in 2020?”.

  521. NYCmike says:

    “I expect that Romney realized ……”

    -Candy Crowley is laughing uproariously at this!

  522. CG says:

    Mantle of the Presidency-

    Someone who puts the country before themself.

    Just one definition. There can be many others.

  523. DW says:

    Went to a national park system property this week, which had remained open, but the sign said to ‘enter at your own risk’ because, you know, without a federal government ranger on duty, you just never know what sort of harm can befall you. They also bolted and locked the restrooms, because everyone knows that you don’t know how to go to the bathroom without a government employee on duty to assist you.

  524. CG says:

    Ask yourself if it is better for the country to have a Democrat defeat Trump or should Trump be replaced by Republicans in order to give them a better chance of defeating a Democrat.

    Sorry, but I have no choice but to believe that anyone who truly thinks that Trump would be the best Electoral option for Republicans in 2020 to be politically nuts.

    So, if defeating the Democrats is the most important thing, that should be remembered.

  525. CG says:

    See you tomorrow, maybe..

    Unless Robbie misses his shift..

  526. dblaikie says:

    What get me mad about Mitt is that there is nothing about Pelosi or Shummer in his diatribe. His article was petty and cheap. As for his, “rise to the level,” crap I wonder what he thinks about Richard Nixon, JFK, Bill Clinton and many other very flawed men in the White House. I suppose you could argue that FDR with his mistresses didn’t rise to the level, yet like him or not, he was the person in the Oval Office during World War II and led us to victory.

  527. CG says:

    Romney did not mention Pelosi or Schumer by name but speaks out against tribalism in both parties. Clearly, that was about them and their party.

    He pledges to work with McConnell to advance good legislation in the Senate.

    Not sure what else you want. It’s beyond a given that Trump must be wrapped in bubble wrap for some; he is that fragile

  528. CG says:

    My strong suspicion is that Romney thought they didn’t rise to it either.

    But they are no longer President. Only one person is President.

    Why must some insist on the dangerous instance of “no snitching” as it relates to Trump. Do you not realize the destruction it causes in many urban centers? We need far more snitches.

  529. NYCmike says:

    “Someone who puts the country before themself.”

    -Yet, you supported a person with the last name of “Bush” in 2016 when it was abundantly clear that Republicans, AND the majority of the country, considered that last name TOXIC……..and is a major reason why Trump ascended to the Oval Office.

  530. CG says:

    Fact check:

    Truman was President on V-E and V-J Day. No mistresses there.

  531. NYCmike says:

    “Someone who puts the country before themself.”

    -The country is better off because DUBYA refused to fight back against the media?

    In what way?

  532. CG says:

    541. Wasn’t clear at all. I did not think Jeb would be nominated, but I strongly believe he would have beaten Hillary and would have been the best possible President of those who ran (Romney would have been my ultimate pick)

    Clearly you have nothing left but to go back to Jeb! If the Bush Family were so hated, it is hard to imagine there were not massive celebrations when 41 passed away.

    Weak.

    Gotta go.

  533. NYCmike says:

    “Truman was President on V-E and V-J Day. No mistresses there.”

    -Any time before that is inconsequential to “CG”….

  534. CG says:

    One last thing–

    I will check back later to see if anyone is actually willing to declare in the affirmative that Donald J. Trump has risen to the mantle of the Presidency and makes them proud he holds the office…

    Go on record.

  535. NYCmike says:

    “541. Wasn’t clear at all.”

    -4 delegates.

    Predicted by many, including his own Mom, who said he should not run, a year or so prior.

    You refused to listen to those people at that time, and refuse to accept what happened since.

    You won’t rest until a Democrat replaces Trump.

  536. CG says:

    FDR was severely lacking in personal character when he interred innocent Asian-Americans in prison camps and when he turned away boats of Jewish refugees knowing full well they would be tortured and murdered in Nazi-dominated Europe.

    A former nominee of his party named Al Smith spoke out against him. Freedom of speech is a great thing.

  537. NYCmike says:

    Damn proud Trump is President! Mantle of the Presidency? Holding it much higher than it was when Obama was in that office, and history may say higher than many others.

    Could only imagine the situation if he wasn’t!

  538. NYCmike says:

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0119/hanson010319.php3

    -But Trump had NOTHING to do with this!

  539. NYCmike says:

    “Since Trump took office, the U.S. has increased its oil production by nearly 3 million barrels per day, largely as the result of fewer regulations, more federal leasing, and the continuing brilliance of American frackers and horizontal drillers.”

    -Trump had NOTHING to do with this!

  540. NYCmike says:

    “Europe’s three most powerful leaders — Angela Merkel or Germany, Emmanuel Macron of France and Theresa May of the United Kingdom — have worse approval ratings than the embattled Donald Trump.”

    -Heh!

    Didn’t Romney mention something about Trump’s lack of popularity in Europe?!?!

  541. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/269488770066313216

    -“CG” to ignore these people who will support the Democratic nominee instead of Trump in 2020.

  542. jason says:

    Trump is a much better President than Obama, Clinton or Carter.

    I will proudly go on record to say that.

  543. jason says:

    And when it comes to “lying” nobody lied more about substantive issues than Obama.

    While Trump is accused of lying about the size of his inauguration crowd, Obama is telling the country dozens of times that you can keep your doctors and your premiums are decreasing.

  544. Tina says:

    Wow, I go away for an hour or so and jebots hijack the board.

  545. NYCmike says:

    https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2019/01/02/caldara-on-january-1-i-became-a-gun-criminal-in-my-hometown-of-boulder/

    -“CG” and Robbie would prefer this thinking on a national level instead of President Trump.

  546. NYCmike says:

    Meanwhile, Trump cuts rules and regulations, but nothing would make “CG” and Robbie happier than if they got what Democrats want, a Democratic replacement in 2020 for President Trump.

  547. Tina says:

    Amazing how quickly Romney’s op-ed went from substance about policy differences to speaking in broad terms about “matters”.

    Exactly and amazing how his cn and n interview contradicted the “op ed.”

    Will the real Willard rise?

  548. jason says:

    Sorry, but I have no choice but to believe that anyone who truly thinks that Trump would be the best Electoral option for Republicans in 2020 to be politically nuts.”

    I think anyone who thinks there is a R candidate that will do better than Trump in 2020 to be politically nuts. This could change, maybe he will not run, but does anyone really think he will lose the nomination?

    Sorry if I can’t get excited about Corey’s predictions, more often than not they are based on what he wants and not what the evidence shows.

    Corey predicted Hillary would win Ohio by 3 points in 2016 even though there was not a single poll in the last 3 weeks showing Clinton ahead. Trump won by 8.

    1. Corey says:
    November 7, 2016 at 3:09 pm
    485. I think Hillary will take Ohio by about 3 points.
    2. Corey says:
    November 7, 2016 at 3:43 pm
    Some of you are going to feel so embarrassed after the results come in.
    Better get prepped for the “rigged system” talking points

  549. Cash Cow TM says:

    Is everyone who disapproves of Trump automatically a liberal Dem or a RINO?

    Guess Walt and Bitter are RINOs…

  550. jason says:

    Wow, I go away for an hour or so and jebots hijack the board.”

    They have now agreed to take turns pushing a Dem for 2020 because it would be bad for Trump.

  551. jason says:

    Is everyone who disapproves of Trump automatically a liberal Dem or a RINO?”

    No.

  552. jason says:

    Romney is not a Dem or a RINO. I am sure he is more conservative than Trump.

    He is just an opportunistic scumbag who wants to be loved by the MSM.

  553. jason says:

    Hence, the very different reaction from sheeple like jason.”

    Hey Sheeple, are you going to take this lying down?

  554. Tina says:

    Wow, I go away for an hour or so and jebots hijack the board.”

    They have now agreed to take turns pushing a Dem for 2020 because it would be bad for Trump.

    Same sheot they did in 2015/2016 when they fronted for Her Thighness.

  555. jason says:

    It always amazes me how people like Romney, GWB, McCain, etc. fail to realize that the MSM is not their friends. These people were savaged with the worst canards for years and years, no lie, innuendo, falsehood was too extreme to be thrown against them, yet Romney has the gall to accuse Trump of “attacking the media”.

    It must be the Stockholm Syndrome.

  556. jason says:

    I think Robbie and I both would have loved for Romney to have actually insulted Trump.”

    These are the two who are very offended, I tell you, about Trump’s demeanor.

  557. NYCmike says:

    “Is everyone who disapproves of Trump automatically a liberal Dem or a RINO?”

    -Ca$h Cow,

    With your vast experience as a guide, would it be better if Hillary Clinton were President at this time?

    What is your opinion about a Democratic President defeating Trump in 2020? Will it be better, in your opinion, for the United States of America?

  558. NYCmike says:

    https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2018/04/23/to-boulders-anti-gun-bigots-i-wont-comply-with-your-hate-law/

    -This is a precursor to the link I posted in #559.

    “CG”, this is what fascism looks like. It is the first step. DISARM the populace.

    Will you stand aside and let it happen again?

    Or will you stand with those who want a more limited government approach?

  559. jason says:

    Does anyone doubt that if Trump had governed exactly as the Jebbots pretend they wanted, i.e., Trump had been an MSM patsy taking everything lying down, never tweeting, etc. that the Jebbots would still have continued attacking him?

    Not a trick question. Because it always comes down to the fact they can never forgive him for trashing Jeb Bush and winning the election.

  560. CG says:

    Trump has said in the White House that he would take peoples guns away and ask questions later.

    He doesn’t seem to understand that or any other issue.

    He speaks of threatening freedoms all the time. It is all a problem for me.

    If you want to stop a Democrat from becoming President, you should want Trump to not run or not be nominated.

    If you are not willing to at least acknowledge that possibility of being what is best, you have no room to talk on the matter.

  561. CG says:

    Let me know if anyone wants to put politics on the backburner and discus/speculate about the new television sensation, “The Masked Singer.”

  562. Tina says:

    Piglosi is now speaker of the house,

    She will use her power well unlike Paulo Ryan.

  563. Tina says:

    However, piglosi will not have a doormat in a President Bush, and she does not have .schumah dog as majority leader.

  564. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is posting things that were said by Trump, and takes them as GOSPEL truth.

    President Trump is also the person who “CG” said is always lying.

    President Trump also has a 2 year record as President in which no gun-grabbing legislation has been written. Why didn’t he say “mean” words to Paul Ryan to make him write that legislation?

  565. Tina says:

    John Ratcliffe
    ?
    @RepRatcliffe
    Four of the seven “Comey Memos” contained classified information.

    Comey cited attorney-client privilege in refusing to answer my questions about whether he mishandled any of those classified memos by sharing them with unauthorized persons outside of a classified setting.

    2,512
    8:18 AM – Jan 3, 2019

    Perp walk that ahole,

  566. CG says:

    NYC will profess concern over government intrusion but will overlook this:

    https://theweek.com/articles/644892/donald-trumps-weird-love-affair-eminent-domain

  567. NYCmike says:

    “NYC will overlook this”

    -Or, I will realize that politicians say a lot of things, and will wait to see if they write legislation to do what Trump said he wants to do.

    You know, kinda like “No New Taxes!”.

  568. CG says:

    According to NYC, Trump can say whatever and we should all shrug it off but anything said by a liberal columnist or some City Councilperson must be a with’em or against ’em call to action.

  569. Tina says:

    Let’s see the drats try to get trumps tax returns,

    Then, we see who used congress to pay off harassment suits with taxpayer money (aka in Mulehead world illegal campaign contributions).

  570. Tina says:

    Pelosi: The Constitution Considers Me Trump’s Equal via @freebeacon https://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-the-constitution-considers-me-trumps-equal/

    10:30 AM – Jan 3, 2019

    Off her meds.

  571. Tina says:

    Articles of impeachment introduced by Sherman oaks, .ca.

    And Sharia Law is being worked on,

    The jebots love sharia law.

  572. NYCmike says:

    #581 – Overlook?

    How is Trump responsible for eminent domain, other than greasing the right palms? Did he do something illegal? How is he different from any other real estate developers, who use every tool at their disposal to get what they want?

    More responsibility resides with these 5 individuals, and the persons that chose them:

    “On June 23, 2005, the Supreme Court, in a 5–4 decision, ruled in favor of the City of New London. Justice Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.”

    Stevens – Pres Nixon
    Kennedy – Pres Reagan
    Souter – Pres Bush
    Ginsburg – Pres Clinton
    Breyer – Pres Clinton

  573. NYCmike says:

    “According to NYC, Trump can say whatever and we should all shrug it off but anything said by a liberal columnist or some City Councilperson must be a with’em or against ’em call to action.”

    -Would you have a substantive comment that I made to back this up, or just a broad understanding?

  574. NYCmike says:

    “As usual, David French is spot on:”

    -From a year ago?

  575. CG says:

    He sided with the left of the court on the Kelo decision and continued to insist that government has the right to seize property for private development.

    Since you claim that Robbie or I have responsibility for the Boulder City Council, and I have not ever even been to Colorado, perhaps Trump should be held accountable for a position he has stated he held.

  576. CG says:

    and Stevens was Ford

  577. NYCmike says:

    “Off her meds.”

    -Pelosi does know that she is in charge of legislation, not Trump…….a small change from the past Speaker…….who couldn’t handle “mean” words. …..and who “CG” never took to task.

  578. jason says:

    Tina you need to come up with a better nickname for Romney than Quittens.

    One that reflects the fact he is a low life scumbag.

  579. CG says:

    Good catch. I forgot what year it is. I cannot pull up Twitter but on the Google search for David French’s Twitter he says this:

    “How dare Mitt Romney criticize a president of low, low character. How dare he say things that are true and stake out a future for conservatism and the GOP that does not depend on that man of low, low character.”

    So, yes, spot on again.

  580. jason says:

    I am sure Trump believes in 2nd Amendment.

    We know Pelosi, Hillary, Schumer and everyone in the Dem leadership do not.

  581. NYCmike says:

    “He sided with the left of the court on the Kelo decision and continued to insist that government has the right to seize property for private development.”

    -As a private citizen and a businessman, he sided with the left of the court.

    As President, he has picked 2 men to be justices who, we BOTH think, would have ruled like the minority in that case.

    If the justices he picks ends up doing what Ford’s, Reagan’s and Bush’s did, and drifted to the left on certain issues, I will criticize him in the same manner as I criticize those men for those picks.

  582. NYCmike says:

    “So, yes, spot on again.”

    -Any mention of substantive policy differences?

  583. jason says:

    Romney proved himself to be of low, low character.

    It’s just that Corey prefers some low low characters to others.

  584. CG says:

    And he sided with them as a Presidential candidate

  585. CG says:

    He didn’t pick those Justices. They were picked for him.

    Thank goodness he didn’t get to do what he wanted and choose his sister and your boy Rudy.

  586. Tina says:

    The 5th amendment to the constitution authorizes eminent domain,

    The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution requires that the taking be for a “public use” and mandates payment of “just compensation” to the owner.[9]

    In federal law, Congress may take private property directly (without recourse to the courts) by passing an Act transferring title of the subject property directly to the government. In such cases, the property owner seeking compensation must sue the United States for compensation in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. The legislature may also delegate the power to private entities like public utilities or railroads, and even to individuals.[10] The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently deferred to the right of states to make their own determinations of “public use”.

  587. CG says:

    The four Justices who voted against the way Trump wanted on Kelo were of course nominated by a Reagan or a Bush (3 of those.)

  588. jason says:

    I have to admit I was fooled by Romney.

    I really did think he was a man of character and principle.

    But it only takes one media stunt to dispel all that.

  589. Tina says:

    So, from a strict constitutional standpoint, trump would appear to be correct.

    Also, affirmed in the Kelo decision by the sc,

  590. CG says:

    If there is a heaven, who would get in first?

    DJT or Romney?

    Be honest.

  591. jason says:

    Trump’s position on eminent domain is certainly not that of a conservative.

    Anyone really want to argue with that?

  592. CG says:

    Private use is the not the same as public use.

    Trump has endorsed eminent domain for private use.

    Why am I responsible for the Boulder City Council passing some resolution on guns but Trump gets a pass on what he stated as a Presidential candidate?

  593. Tina says:

    Ah good old Souter, picked by bush 41.

    And then, we get Souter 2.0 in Roberts, who affirmed obumblercare,

  594. CG says:

    NYC to comment on Romney’s “magic underwear” in 5, 4, 3, 2..

  595. Tina says:

    Private use is not public use.

    You need to argue that with the sc, who leaves it to the states to decide that,

  596. jason says:

    If there is a heaven, who would get in first?

    DJT or Romney?

    Be honest.”

    Ahhh….. this reminds of my year long fight with Bitter on voting for Trump.

    When I made the point that neither Hillary or Trump were fit for office, many here made the point that Hillary was less fit. And while I agreed, it didn’t make me vote for him.

    Neither Trump or Romney are candidates for heaven IMO.

  597. CG says:

    NYC will shrug his shoulders at this and talk about what some columnist in the Village Voice said last year and how anybody who disapproves of Trump is responsible

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRw5qo69BJc

  598. Tina says:

    So, did Quittens really leave a dog on the roof of his car for 12 hours?

  599. CG says:

    If there is a heaven, one day, Mitt Romney, Seamus, and the dog killed by jason will be there.

    Perhaps not the dog killed by Mike Bost though.

  600. Tina says:

    i do not think it is a good idea for any presidential candidates to do campaign launches from their kitchens mixed in with drinking,

    To me, it is like fatzo Bush wearing glasses to appear more intelligent (when he is not)

    Or, for another candidate to be seen wearing boots.

  601. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    13m
    Pelosi: “I call the House to order on behalf of America’s children.” She is now swearing in the entire House en masse

    Lol, on behalf of the children..(legal and illegal of course).

  602. CG says:

    Pelosi said the exact same thing last time, after she became Speaker thanks in large part to the financial support of Donald Trump.

  603. Tina says:

    From that article:

    Mr. Romney says he doesn’t like what Mr. Trump stands for. But perhaps the fact that Mr. Trump actually stands for something is what really outrages the also-ran.

  604. Messy says:

    586. she said congress is the President’s equal.
    Pelosi is NOT Trump’a equal, she’s his superior (on a personal level).

  605. CG says:

    What does Trump stand for? Nothing has been consistent in his worldview beyond a Ron Paul like outlook on foreign policy in which he maintains that America is the “sucker?” That and a seething hatred of free trade.

    The foreign policy and trade matters should absolutely be debated in the Republican Party before the next election.

  606. Messy says:

    617. No on behalf of the Congressmember’s kids and grandkids.

    621. He stands for Trump, not America.

  607. Tina says:

    Market just ranked while she was speaking,

  608. Tina says:

    I forgot the etch a sketch campaign.

  609. CG says:

    Now Pelosi, and her ilk actually stand for something. They are almost always wrong, but unlike Donald Trump and his apologists, they actually have a set of priorities and values that go beyond one’s own ego and the need to feel “big.”

  610. Tina says:

    10 year treasury notes have fallen to 2.56.

    Great for mortgage rates.

  611. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    38m
    California Democrat congressman files article of impeachment on Day One claiming president obstructed justice by giving James Comey the axe

    Lol.

  612. CG says:

    Trump was constitutionally entitled to fire Comey but of course he was trying to obstruct justice in the process.

    Both can be true.

  613. NYCmike says:

    “He didn’t pick those Justices. They were picked for him.”

    -The “mean” words didn’t work on the Justice Pickers??

    Maybe we should have them run for elected office?

  614. CG says:

    He was dumb to fire Comey though. He wouldn’t have Mueller now.

    Of all the times he should have listened to Steve Bannon it was this one…

  615. Tina says:

    2019 at 3:33 pm
    Trump was constitutionally entitled to fire Comey but of course he was trying to obstruct justice in the process.

    Both can be true,

    Pass the bong,

  616. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    After 24 hours, Minion’s little dicknipple grandstand play has backfired bigly. A majority of Rs in DC who have commented have (gently) reprimanded him; the outrage on the right is palpable; & Minion pushed many people back to Trump.
    Show this thread

  617. CG says:

    Ah, the same Larry who was predicting big GOP House gains. He seems “wired” to what’s really going on.

    I believe that what is going on in Capitol Hill are that large amounts of Republicans are coming up to Mitt Romney and whispering “atta boy” and “I wish I could do what you did.” Lindsey Graham is almost certainly among them.

  618. Tina says:

    You believe.

    Since you lie a lot, provide the links of the ata boys.

  619. NYCmike says:

    Universal healthcare clips?? Oh Lord.

  620. CG says:

    How about the time as the GOP Presidential nominee, Trump said that “education” was one of the top three functions of the federal government?

    NYC will of course shrug at that and talk endlessly about how Robbie and I are responsible for something that James Corden said about Trump on late night tv.

  621. Tina says:

    “Cornyn commented that once Nancy Pelosi’s new role as speaker is finalized, she’ll be “in a better mood to negotiate.”

    Piglosi will negotiate, once she is separated from the dog.

  622. NYCmike says:

    Noticed Ca$h Cow hasn’t answered to questions posed earlier…..should have scrambled the words in the sentence, and then asked “her” to unscramble them first, then asked “her” to answer.

  623. Tina says:

    Corsi vs Fuhrer Mulehead will be assigned out to a judge.

    Hopefully, if Fuhrer Mulehead loses, he has good liability insurance.

  624. NYCmike says:

    “How about the time as the GOP Presidential nominee, Trump said that “education” was one of the top three functions of the federal government?”

    -How about it?

    Its past. Live in the present.

    Do you prefer Nancy Pelosi’s policy proposals, or the ones put forth by Trump/McConnell and/or Romney?

  625. CG says:

    Cash Cow maybe has other things to do. I would like to her hear thoughts on Bevo attacking Uga at the Sugar Bowl.

    As for Walt, we know that he, as staunchly conservative as he is, very much dislikes Donald Trump and believes he has not risen to the mantle of the Presidency.

    To some, that would make him “scum”, but that I think that is harsh.

  626. CG says:

    Let’s live in the present.

    1. Is Donald Trump the most electable of any possible Republican for 2020?

    2. Is Donald Trump the most effective potential President of anybody who might be elected in 2020?

    No on both counts. It is not even close.

    Why do you disagree NYC?

  627. CG says:

    I prefer Romney to Trump/Pelosi. Very easy call.

  628. Tina says:

    joshjame
    ·
    2h
    Mitch McConnell’s first floor speech of the new Congress: Reaffirming that no bill is coming to the Senate floor to reopen the government that can’t get 60 votes AND a Trump signature.

  629. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    1h
    He’s soft, like Bush
    Quote Tweet
    Joe Walsh
    @WalshFreedom
    Mitt Romney has learned nothing from how Democrats treated him in 2012. (link: https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1080490714885046272) twitter.com/KurtSchlichter…

    Doormat #2.

  630. CG says:

    Let’s live in the present.

    Since he just said it, is Donald Trump correct that the Soviet Union was right to invade Afghanistan?

    Is he right that Russia would be better off if they were still the Soviet Union?

  631. CG says:

    If we want to start presenting Joe Walsh Tweets….

    He says things about Trump on Twitter on a daily basis that make Robbie look like a choirboy.

  632. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080858959404240896/photo/1

    Already posted, but that banner is awesome. I know Fake Indian will now play the gender card.

  633. CG says:

    Elizabeth Warren pretended to be Native American and Tina pretended to be Hispanic for an online writing gig. Something they have in common.

  634. CG says:

    That and their left-wing foreign policy views.

  635. Tina says:

    And you pretend to be a conservative.

  636. CG says:

    Even people who hate me like jason and NYC will concede that I am a conservative.

  637. Tina says:

    Yes, a pretend conservative,

  638. CG says:

    Let’s live in the present NYC.

    We all agree that if Rosie O’Donnell went on tv today and said something nasty about Trump, he would have at least 4 Tweets about it.

    Kim Jong Un on January 1 harshly attacked the U.S. rhetorically and spoke of how it might be necessary to nuke us. Trump has remained completely silent.

    Is he correct to remain silent?

  639. lisab says:

    romney is just upset he is a 70 year old freshman senator.

    he tried to make a big splash, and got rebuked

  640. CG says:

    Fun fact-

    Donald Trump wanted Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats to impeach George W. Bush.

    We know that Tina agrees with that. I don’t think Wes even did though. Does anyone else think Trump was right? Should Trump apologize for “Presidential harassment?”

  641. CG says:

    The online splash looks very apparent.

    The panicked reactions are clear. Romney got exactly what he wanted.

    I do not think he is going to run for President but Trumpland clearly fears he will.

  642. Tina says:

    Sharyl Attkisson?????
    Sharyl Attkisson?????
    @SharylAttkisson
    ·
    3h
    Former Rep. Trey Gowdy joins White Collar Defense & Government Investigations firm in SC

    Hopefully, he can produce there since he failed in congress.

    He had some interesting hair choices though.

  643. Robbie says:

    Trump is such a great Republican and conservative that he’s considering Democrat and isolationist Jim Webb to be defense secretary.

  644. Robbie says:

    Once again, I look forward to mocking Jason fraud and the rest of the sycophants when Trump loses in 2020.

  645. CG says:

    You can mock him and them long before that.

    I have a couple very specific questions for jason that I know he will be willing to answer the next time he emerges.

  646. CG says:

    Trump should go with his gut and make Rand Paul Defense Secretary.

    If he thinks Paul is more valuable in the Senate, Rand’s dad is always available too.

  647. NYCmike says:

    “1. Is Donald Trump the most electable of any possible Republican for 2020?

    2. Is Donald Trump the most effective potential President of anybody who might be elected in 2020?”

    —————————————–

    1. He has been elected already, and he has a pretty solid base of support, so YES, at this time, he is the most electable. Who has a better chance at the current time?

    2. He has done good work so far, for the most part. His spending habits, like the majority of Presidents before him, were not helped by a profligate Congress. How can you tell who will govern as effectively, 2 years before? Most on this forum did not think Trump would do as well as he has, and have been pleasantly surprised.

  648. NYCmike says:

    “I do not think he is going to run for President but Trumpland clearly fears he will.”

    -A divisive primary would, most likely, help the Democratic nominee, so I do fear that.

    For some reason, you think a Democratic winner would be better than Trump.

  649. Tina says:

    Ny times suggests that Webb May be the new defense secretary nominee, after Mattis was essentially fired.

  650. NYCmike says:

    “Once again, I look forward to mocking Jason fraud and the rest of the sycophants when Trump loses in 2020.”

    -Once again…..BUT, he does NOT want the Democratic nominee to win the White House.

  651. CG says:

    1. Just about anyone for starters

    2016 was a perfect storm. 2018 already showed how unlikely a repeat may be. I could cite many specifics related to several states.

    2. I think just about any other Republican would be better on economic, foreign, and social policies. Trump has some conservatives around him but he simply is not one himself and chaos and dysfunction color everything around him. With Democrats taking over the House today, nothing further is going to get done beyond judicial confirmations.

    Any other actual Republican can govern more effectively, regardless of which party controls Congress.

    There is also the matter of Donald Trump potentially being a criminal. You may think he is totally innocent of everything, but it’s a political liability to him regardless.

    If Republicans want the best chance of winning in 2020, it will be without Trump.

  652. Tina says:

    Notice the Jebot just attacked a war veteran, who still has shrapnel from Vietnam in him.

  653. CG says:

    I can’t envision that Webb would get more than 1 Republican vote in the Senate (Rand Paul’s), but those that fear Trump politically might go along.

    It would be a tremendously bad idea.

  654. Tina says:

    Webb would not be my pick but, he is qualified for it.

    My selection would be Mike Rogers, who shut down the illegal unmasking said by the obumbler.

  655. NYCmike says:

    “I could cite many specifics related to several states.”

    -Name names, and which states they would win to get them elected.

    All assumptions.

  656. CG says:

    Mike Rogers, the former Congressman who eluded on tv that Trump was a stooge of Putin? Or someone else?

  657. NYCmike says:

    “If Republicans want the best chance of winning in 2020, it will be without Trump.”

    -I guess you are going for the tie.

    1 (2016) out of 2 (2016 & 2020). Country above individual?

    Democrats are counting on people like you and Robbie.

  658. Tina says:

    CG says:
    January 3, 2019 at 4:28 pm
    Mike Rogers, the former Congressman who eluded on tv that Trump was a stooge of Putin? Or someone else?

    Dense. I cannot help stupid.

  659. CG says:

    MI, WI, and PA look like they will be gone for Trump. Hillary won’t be around to ignore them. The first two will have Dem Governors now which matter in turnout, etc.

    Dems still had problems in FL in ’18 but also voted to allow former felons the right to vote. Maybe you think former felons will find Trump a kindred spirit, but I think they will tend to vote heavily Democrat.

    Arizona is looking more and more iffy under Trump.

    In every state that has a large suburban area, voters turned out in 2018 to punish Trump. Even places like Georgia and Texas no longer look like sure things.

    Those who will be first time voters I 2020 are unlikely to be Trump fans. Trump did best among the elderly in 2016 but they are also most at risk of passing away.

    Republicans need someone who can peel off a lot of voters who reluctantly voted for Hillary, especially women.

    If Trump is nominated, after a primary or not, there will be Kasich or someone else running third party.

    Maybe that helps Trump, maybe it hurts him, maybe the third party candidate wins themselves.

    Trump has a ceiling of support at around 46% max. It might not be totally impossible to win (a traditional two way race), but it may be pretty implausible.

  660. NYCmike says:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/03/supreme-courts-strike-obsolete-liquor-law-threatening-family-ketchum-column/2451960002/

    -Saw this at Instapundit.

    Apply this practice of laws staying on the books, although obsolete…….one more reason why Congress should have repealed ALL of Obamacare on Day 1 of the last Congress, even if Trump called them “meanies”.

  661. CG says:

    Michael S. Rogers, the recently retired Navy Admiral who said that we aren’t doing enough to combat Russia?

    Yeah, I’d take either Rogers over Webb.

  662. NYCmike says:

    #680 – We already know you think Trump will lose.

    Which Republican could win, and name the states he would need to win?

  663. NYCmike says:

    Or she

  664. Tina says:

    Webb triggers the jebots.

    So, he just moved ahead of the one who shut down the unmasking by the obumbler.

  665. CG says:

    Romney would be my first choice. I think a lot of things would have to fall into place to get him to run.

    There are others.

    Sasse, Haley, Kasich, Portman, a slew of Governors, Just about anyone would at least start off with a better chance than Trump. Even Pence.

    They can win FL and OH and keep Arizona. It wouldn’t take too much more than that. Maybe New Hampshire. Under Trump, places like Colorado and Virginia and Nevada are not even on the table.

  666. CG says:

    I believe Jim Webb was once Daily Kos Man of the Decade or something like that.

    Yeah, Trump is quite the conservative if that he is who wants in the Pentagon.

  667. gameboy says:

    #680

    LOL You are very funny. I think you wrote the same thing just prior to the 2016 election. For crying out loud we are 22 months until the next election. Lots will happen between now and then. Way too early to declare victory or defeat. You should know this as I am sure you have been a political junkie your entire life.

  668. CG says:

    Yes, just about any other Republican would have won 2016 far easier than Trump did.

  669. CG says:

    I agree, lots can and likely will happen between now and then.

    Nothing is written in stone. I agree.

    Thinking of all the things that *might* happen though, and most of them seem pretty bad for Trump.

  670. Tina says:

    Yeah, Trump is quite the conservative if that he is who wants in the Pentagon.

    By your millennial logic, Reagan was no conservative for appointing Webb as naval secretary.

    You and your alter ego are triggered over him being named a possible candidate for the position.

  671. CG says:

    I very much want the next President to be Pro-Life, I consider it a monumental issue, but you can look at people like Hogan in MD or Baker in MA and see how massively they won in 2018, especially Baker.

    No far-left Democrat would be able to defeat him. Of course the issue would be abandonment on the right.

    The Trump fanatics spoke often about “binary choices” and “as long as they are better than such and such on .. such and such… nothing, we mean NOTHING, else should matter.”

    NYC, would you vote for Charlie Baker over Warren or Harris or whomever?

  672. CG says:

    Webb was a Republican at one point and had a dramatic conversion to being far Left.

    Reagan didn’t know that would happen. It’s not Reagan’s fault. Jim Webb is a very, very weird dude.

    In theory, the Senate might reject him 99-1.

  673. CG says:

    Give the Defense Sec job to Lindsey Graham. Problem solved.

    Well, the problem is the President will not care what the Defense Sec wants or advises, as seen with Mattis.

    It may be vacant for a while.

    We still don’t even have an Interior nominee and that should be far easier.

  674. Tina says:

    Trump just triggered the press.

    He appeared at the White House press briefing,

    Congratulated piglosi and then mentioned the work of ice.
    Had ice officials there who gave their own speeches about the wall and security measures,

    Took no questions.. a millennial reporter barked, the point of the briefings is to take questions.

    Lol

  675. Tina says:

    Well Mattis is a Democrat.

    So by your logic, he should have never been appointed?

  676. CG says:

    I think at Tina’s alleged age, anybody born after the Vietnam War is a “millennial.”

  677. CG says:

    Mattis was not a Democrat. There is no reason to believe he had any political association officially but his foreign policy views were clearly in line with mainstream conservatives.

    lisab to call Mattis gay any minute now…

  678. dblaikie says:

    I heard the same kind of clap trap from Cory, Robbie, and MD during 2016. It got especially bad after the Hispanic Judge, the Gold Star father, and the Hollywood Access tape. So here we go again: “Trump has no chance … Anybody is better than Trump … Trump is stupid … These states are already lost for Trump … Trump has no good alternatives … and on and on and on.” Forgive me, but I am not buying once again.

    Let me tell you what I learned in 2016 that Trump has more lives than Jason in the Halloween movies.

    Again Trump has a solid base of around 43 to 45%. And there is another 10% of folks who will vote for him — even though they don’t like him — if he governs well and continues to pursue policies that these folks agree with. I know I was one in 2016. I voted for Trump while holding my noise. In 2020 I will do the same.

  679. Tina says:

    Webb also had a short-lived run in the Democratic primary for the 2016 presidential election. His campaign made headlines in October 2015 when he alluded to killing an enemy in Vietnam when asked during a debate who he was most proud to have as an enemy.

    “I would have to say the enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me, but he’s not around right now to talk to,” Webb said.

    I guess this is why the Drats here are triggered?

  680. CG says:

    Message- “Let’s elect a serial killer.”

    Nice one.

    d-bla, I know you saw the midterm results, right? You were saying that Republicans would gain House seats until conceding they would lose 5. You do realize they lost 40, right?

    Now, you want us to believe Trump may get 53-55% of the vote?

  681. CG says:

    The question was not addressed though beyond you think he could win

    Is he the *best* potential candidate to win?

  682. Tina says:

    Well, looks like Fuhrer Mulehead lost in court again.

    The case by corsi against Fuhrer Mulehead, who as Bush’s failed Fib director cost the gubment several large lawsuit awards, will proceed,

    Fuhrer is tied up now with sentencing Flynn for a non crime; the so called Russian bot case, where, in true Stalinist,hitler fashion he is trying to prevent discovery; Giuliani, who wants to beat the snot out of Fuhrer; claims that he destroyed evidence in the 19000 Pete the Cheat,mistresss emails that are lost (hint hint, check first with the NSA): Corsi assisted by a showboat lawyer; and Roger Stone.

  683. CG says:

    I think d-bla is a fine person but he is a bit nuts when it comes to his predictions.

    When he looks in the mirror, he might think he sees Brad Pitt too.

  684. Waingro says:

    Webb would seem to make sense for Trump, given that he seems to be drifting towards more isolationism.

    I’m not sure he would get through the Senate though. Lindsey Graham, for one, would go ape sh*t if was the nominee.

  685. CG says:

    I honestly do not see how Webb could get through the Senate.

    He is the Dems former colleague but they are going to vote en masse against anyone put up at this point. It will take a handful of them to be willing to break a filibuster.

    Would Republicans really vote for Jim Webb? If a Democrat nominated him, they wouldn’t. Right-wing blogs, etc would be talking about all the sexual violence in his novels, etc.

  686. lisab says:

    it depends on

    who the dem nominee is

    and

    what the mueller report finds

  687. CG says:

    who the dem nominee is
    – won’t be Hillary

    what the mueller report finds
    – unless one has determined they already love Trump, it’s going to look pretty bad for him

    I would still say there is more than a 50 percent chance Trump does not seek or drops out of nomination contest.

  688. Tina says:

    Piglosi thinks she botched her speech.

    She stumbled and missed several,pages.

  689. CG says:

    Based on the floor vote, it appears that had Republicans held in maybe 6 or 7 more districts, Pelosi would have had to step aside for another Democrat.

    She definitely owes Trump.

  690. jason says:

    I have to admire Lindsey Graham in all this.

    The guy was a never Trumper like me who was willing to accept the election results and understands blind hatred and bashing of Trump only helps the MSM and the Democrats.

    Tina bashed good ole Goober non-stop, but he has shown a lot of class and willingness to look a the big picture.

    A heck better political judgment and character than Romney.

  691. CG says:

    Graham is saying otherwise when the cameras are off. It’s not rocket science.

    Big question for jason coming up-

  692. lisab says:

    Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) plans to introduce articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on Thursday — the first day that Democrats control the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

  693. Tina says:

    Lisab, the articles pertain to the firing of the corrupt comedy, who is under investigation for leaking classified documents and stealing federal records.

  694. CG says:

    John McCain is now deceased but when he was a U.S. Senator and Trump was President, he was incredibly critical of Trump’s character, in speeches, Op-Eds , and press releases. His words in these venues were far more pointed and less conciliatory than what Romney most recently wrote. Many things were said at McCain’s funeral, which he is said to have planned, that were highly critical of Trump personally.

    Many on HHR such as mnw, Tina, lisab, janz, and NYC had been consistent in indicating they held McCain in low personal regard. –jason did not though. He never claimed that McCain was out of line to speak out, as a Senator against Trump.

    Why?

    Why was McCain not a “scumbag” but Romney is?

    The same goes for Corker’s personal digs at Trump as a U.S. Senator that –jason was willing to overlook.

    Why the hypocrisy on this?

    It seems like it solely related to panic over 2020.

  695. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    636. “I believe that what is going on in Capitol Hill are that large amounts of Republicans are coming up to Mitt Romney and whispering “atta boy” and “I wish I could do what you did.” Lindsey Graham is almost certainly among them.”

    Your fantasy notwithstanding, Graham is being critical of what Romney said.

    https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/01/02/senator-lindsey-graham-if-mitt-romney-is-going-to-be-the-critic-from-utah-its-going-to-hurt-him-and-utah/

  696. CG says:

    I have almost no doubt that Graham is privately saying “atta boy at Mitt.” He knows he has to win a SC primary though.

    Graham certainly supported John McCain’s right to be “nasty” towards Trump.

  697. CG says:

    It is clear that jason is not taking issue with Romney believing these things about Trump or believing Romney is off base in having these beliefs. He is just upset that Romney stated them publicly.

    That seems to be disingenuous.

    Romney is right to speak out instead of just sharing these thoughts privately among his fellow elite. He is trying to start a debate on these matters. I say he is succeeding.

    What is the point on sweeping these thoughts that just about everyone in the GOP has about Trump under the rug? How is this going to help the party?

  698. jason says:

    s he the *best* potential candidate to win?”

    Trump is the best potential candidate to win.

    Romney is a joke, he just basically wrote off not only 80% of the R base but people like me that he would need support him. His chances at the nomination are zero. From now on I bet most of the R base will consider him a despicable rat, deservedly so.

    No other R is going to win the states Corey mentioned, and certainly no other R candidate in 2016 would have won PA, MI, or WI, and certainly not Ohio by half a million votes.

    If Trump doesn’t run, I will support Rubio again if he runs. Or maybe Pence. But I think Trump is a much stronger candidate than either of them.

  699. lisab says:

    77 more trump nominations went through, only a few were judges though

  700. CG says:

    Former President George W. Bush has not written an Op-ed or given an anti-Trump speech. He is retired now.

    Still though, he is said to have shared these same thoughts, as outlined by Romney, privately. It is not hard to believe that George W. Bush believes exactly the same things Romney wrote, is it?

    Would GWB be a “scumbag” for merely thinking these thoughts or only if he spoke out on them publicly? Please answer -jason.

    Of course, GWB is not somebody who could run for President now. Neither is McCain, so Trumpland, which jason is now a fully vested resident of, can view them differently than a perceived “broadside” by Mitt Romney who could conceivably raise 20 million dollars overnight if he wished to.

  701. Tina says:

    Does anyone know if Corker and .flake were hired by the gubments of .iran or .china?

  702. lisab says:

    Tina,

    yes, i saw that it is about comey

    it is just interesting that it is the first order of business

  703. Tina says:

    Jason, I have warmed to granite,
    I saw how he acted when presented with evidence of wrong doings by the fib, the commie, the penguin, and comedy.

    He also stood up for the Supreme Court pick, when the jebots wet themselves and flaked out, Granite stood strong,

  704. NYCmike says:

    “It seems like it solely related to panic over 2020.”

    -Slight differences:

    Most normal Republicans are in a panic over any Presidential election, as the result may be another Obama, or worse.

    “Republicans” like “CG” and Robbie would be in a panic at the first favorable polls for Trump, as they still have not come to grips with the previous election.

  705. CG says:

    Graham said if Trump caves on the shutdown, his Presidency is over.

    Spoiler alert: Trump is going to cave on the shutdown.

  706. Tina says:

    They have no self control, Lisab.

    Had they, piglosi would not be the speaker.

    She is not going against a bush doormat and the senate will not help her.

  707. jason says:

    ason did not though. He never claimed that McCain was out of line to speak out, as a Senator against Trump. ”

    I did think McCain was out of line, and his vote on Obamacare was shameful.

    However, McCain was a man who made huge sacrifices for his country, and Trump’s comments on his military record were disgusting.

    I mostly defended the attacks on McCain’s military record and honor and the claims that he was not a conservative. I thought his blind opposition to Trump was asinine. Both can be true.

    I have already stated here that I don’t care if Romney had chosen to criticize Trump on a specific issue, such as trade, or Syria policy. He could have made his concerns known by bringing about cogent arguments.

    Instead he opted for a slimy, poorly thought out, despicable and long winded personal attack on Trump’s Presidency, completely gratuitous considering Trump had endorsed him.

    IMO, he threw away his whole “mantle” of being a principled conservative by choosing to throw in with the MSM’s scurrilous bashing of Trump. I think he revealed himself to be a low life scumbag.

  708. jason says:

    Should say defended AGAINST the attacks…

  709. CG says:

    So, you are a panicked hypocrite. Got it. You didn’t even make a half-hearted attempt to answer that one.

    For the Trump Crowd, it’s “Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil.”

    And you think that is going to bring about victory?

    Goodluck.

  710. lisab says:

    Tina,

    it shows the “moderates” among the dems are in full retreat

    sherman was known as a moderate, but feels the need to start impeachment

    that is not a good sign for them regarding the nomination race. they will be running very far left of center

  711. jason says:

    Would GWB be a “scumbag” for merely thinking these thoughts or only if he spoke out on them publicly? Please answer -jason.”

    GWB is out of politics, Romney was just elected Senator.

    If GWB had written this garbage after being elected Senator of Texas, I would have called him a scumbag.

  712. jason says:

    Romney doesn’t want to start any “discussion” he wants to play to the media.

    Scumbag.

  713. CG says:

    So, once again, Romney and everyone else is right to think it. Right to say it in private. Just not ok to write it, because DJT might get his little feelings hurt…

    Wah Wah Wah…

    Bye.

  714. lisab says:

    romney just wants to be a leader

    however, he is a freshman senator

    and knows nothing about getting laws made

    he is used to being in charge, and now he is a junior senator

  715. Tina says:

    Baby has left the forum,

  716. jason says:

    Graham is saying otherwise when the cameras are off. It’s not rocket science.”

    LOL

    So we should ignore what Graham says publicly because Corey knows what he says in private?

    You can’t make this sh-t up….

    Graham stuck it to Romney in public. I loved it. You can fantasize what he said in private.

  717. jason says:

    So, once again, Romney and everyone else is right to think it. Right to say it in private. Just not ok to write it, ”

    Hilarious.

    Isn’t that what the Trump haters complain about Trump, that he says what he thinks?

    I think Corey just defended Trump’s “right” to tweet away.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  718. NYCmike says:

    “Spoiler alert: Trump is going to cave on the shutdown.”

    -Nothing like open borders to make “CG” happy.

  719. jason says:

    Romney wanted to make headlines and ingratiate himself with the left wing media.

    He knows the best way to make MSM headlines and ingratiate himself with the left wing media is to bash Trump.

    Like Corey said, it’s not rocket science.

  720. jason says:

    I am on record as saying shutdowns are a waste of time and don’t accomplish anything except cost Rs political capital.

    The networks tonight are all about how many people are suffering terribly over the shutdown.

    Yes, its b.s. but Rs never win the PR war on shutdowns vs. the MSM and I don’t think Trump will either.

  721. dblaikie says:

    When I look in the mirror I see Brad Pitt? Don’t know where that came from.

    Yes, I was wrong about the midterms concerning the House. I have admitted it. I have eaten it. I know it. There are you happy CG?

    But my predictions concerning Trump himself have always been pretty good. I believe that during the last Presidential election you were the one who was wrong.

    So spar me the crap that because I was wrong about the midterms I should be ignored and belittled for the next two years. I have been through that with much better posters than you. Please stop with the Wormtongue method of not addressing the substance of posts and instead getting meaningless by name calling.

  722. sandiegocitizen says:

    717. “I have almost no doubt that Graham is saying privately to Mitt “atta boy Mitt.””

    Wow, that’s impressive. You should open your own psychic hotline.

  723. jason says:

    When confronted with facts, Corey has a great answer.

    He claims to know of private conversations he is not privy too that contradict those facts.

  724. jason says:

    I know Corey is supporting Kamala Harris for President.

    I know, here he states he is for Romney, but I know that he told his shrink he is for Kamala.

  725. jason says:

    Corey, as our resident pseudo-shrink, has decided that I am in a “panic”.

    Actually he right, I am panicked that dumb sh-ts like him will deliver the Presidency to a committed socialist.

  726. jason says:

    Trump has a ceiling of support at around 46% max.”

    I guess that is why we should go with scumbag Romney.

    He got 47%.

  727. NYCmike says:

    “NYC, would you vote for Charlie Baker over Warren or Harris or whomever?”

    -If Charlie Baker won a Republican primary, would I vote for him over any of the hard-left stooges the Democrats would offer?

    Yes.

    How is that even a question?

  728. jason says:

    He wants to justify why a socialist will be better than Trump.

  729. jason says:

    I would have no problem voting for Baker or Hogan over a socialist like Warren or Harris.

    Like I said, I would even vote for scumbag Romney.

  730. Bitterlaw says:

    In answer to the question on who should get in to heaven…

    Romney should get in as a man of faith, family and charity.

    Trump? Scum should burn.

    Any more easy questions? Like what is 2+2 or does the sun rise in the east?

  731. Wes says:

    Since I don’t believe Heaven exists I don’t think Trump or Romney will be there.

  732. Bitterlaw says:

    I will once again push the button marked Vote Against Democrat Presidential Candidate.

    Too bad York county still does not have Radnor’s voting machines.

  733. Wes says:

    I see little chance Dems can carry NC right now. We’ve trended too far GOP for Dems to win barring extraordinary circumstances (see GWB’s abysmal unpopularity in 2008). Even so, I have no current plans to vote for Trump in 2020. I’m tired of the loudmouthed schoolyard bully gimmick.

    I don’t expect Trump to win reelection in 2020 because he’s doing everything in his power to ensure Americans have a reason to vote against him. His supporters are reduced to hoping Dems nominate Hillary 2.0 and continue to ignore PA, MI, and WI. That’s not going to happen, so I see Trump as a one termer.

    Trump has done what I wanted him to do regarding judges and regulations. So long as Republicans hold the Senate in 2020, I won’t be sorry to see him go. A second term for him will be GWB’s second Administration Redux, and I have no desire to live through that again.

  734. Cash Cow TM says:

    What the heck is wrong with Trump?

    Is he STOOPID?
    ###################################
    If he ever planned to win the “funding for the wall” why did he not BEFOREHAND do a massive publicity campaign of facts and reasons to secure the border…before his drawing a line in the sand over shutting down the gubment over the funding for the wall (border security)?

    –Speeches and press releases of lots of FACTS like the 22,000/month of illegals crossing the southern border (A QUARTER MILLION A YEAR!–equivalent to the population of Scottsdale, AZ, or Buffalo NY, or Norfolk VA, or Winston-Salem NC, or Reno NV, or Richmond VA, or Baton Rouge LA, or Des Moines IA, or Spokane WA, or San Bernardino CA, or Birmingham AL for one YEAR…
    …OR equivalent to the TOTAL POPULATION OF ALL THOSE CITIES ADDED TOGETHER IN ONE DECADE! In ONE DECADE IT EQUALS ADDING A WHOLE ADDITIONAL DALLAS TEXAS!

    –FACTS about what is spent by federal and state governments to provide for illegals (food stamps, health care, education, housing, etc.

    –FACTS about the 11 ways that immigrants can LEGALLY enter the U.S.

    –FACTS about what other countries have done/are doing to secure THEIR borders to prevent illegal entry

    –Trot out border patrol agents with their stories…stories about who they have caught who are NOT from Mexico or other Latin American countries…gang members they have caught…the amount of drug interdictions they have done…human sex trafficking problems,…etc

    –Trot out family members of people raped, maimed or killed by illegals who crossed the southern border…

    –Trot out medical people who can explain about the medical conditions and diseases carried by some of the illegals that have been interdicted…

    *****************************
    Before the commencing of the gubment shutdown,Trump certainly has not seemed to do a very good job to LAY THE GROUNDWORK to the American public as to WHY improved border security on the southern border is critical to the citizens of the U.S.
    ————–
    OK, I am finished…glad I got that out of my system.

  735. Tina says:

    Cash cow, you must have missed the presser today.

  736. Cash Cow TM says:

    Tina,

    I musta been in the milking barn…

  737. jason says:

    Too bad York county still does not have Radnor’s voting machines.”

    I hear they are planning to install them in 2056.

    Until then, you still have to vote for a candidate. Even one that you think will burn in hell.

  738. jason says:

    Contrary to wes, I don’t think a socialist Dem would be better than a second term for Trump, so I plan fo vote FOR him next time around while Bitter votes against his opponent on those fancy Radnor machines.

  739. Bitterlaw says:

    Fancy voting machines and indoor plumbing make Radnor a special place.

  740. Tina says:

    Massive blow out job numbers in December,

    312000 created vs 17600o anticipated
    Rate is 3.9.

    Payrolls growth totaled 2.6 million in 2018, the highest since 2015 and well above the 2.2 million in 2017.

    For the jebots, 4.8 million jobs created in 2 years. And they are not the obumbler fast food, part time jobs.

  741. Barrett says:

    #755 – It would have been nice to have context to the reasons for shutting down the government over the border fence, though I would argue most of us already knew the reasoning.

    I support the shutdown on the basis of fence funding. Why? Because finally, someone is going all in to fix ONE problem we have in this country. We aren’t really a nation of problem-solvers anymore, so I hope Democrats can get on board with our “progressive” attitude towards problem solving.

    My only suggestion to Trump – build a smart fence, with a motion sensor grid, and a physical barrier only when necessary.

  742. Tina says:

    This number is huge,

    Also, upward revisions for the past two months:

    The government said 176,000 new jobs were created in November instead of 155,000. October’s gain was raised to 274,000 from 237,000.

  743. Tina says:

    Queuing the jebots to present muh Russian hoaxing stuff, after the robust news.

    After all, the jebots will not mention the Star Wars cantina scene = the House of Representatives.

    But more cantina scenes, please.

  744. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Tina
    Add to your numbers:
    Wage growth- hot at 3.2% year over year
    Labor Participation Rate- 63.1%–up 2 ticks–very solid
    U-6 Rate- up 2 ticks at 7.6%

  745. Tina says:

    This is why walls work:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1081180374208778240

    Sorry cash cow, no grass or hay.

  746. Tina says:

    Piglosi has recessed the house until .tuesday?

    Wtf?

  747. Barrett says:

    A Physical barrier might be more appropriate for areas that are harder to reach by border agents, or possible in California where illegal immigration appears to be heavier.

    Motion sensors would probably work in more easily accessible areas, and eliminate the need for eminent domain for those who have land on both sides.

  748. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Republican Senator Pat Roberts(KS) will retire in 2020 at the age of 84. Last time he ran, he had a tough campaign against a KS Independent candidate.

  749. Wes says:

    It’s not my fault Trump has spent his presidency antagonizing people who would otherwise be receptive to him and giving Americans reasons to vote against him despite his accomplishments, Jason. That’s on him.

    If he can’t be an adult and competently run his Administration while communicating effectively with people then he deserves the loss he’s going to take next year.

    He’s already done what i wanted, so I’m not going to cry when I see his puerile, petulant, conspiratorial concession speech bitching about “fake news” and every other factor not named Donald Trump he blames for his loss. My vote won’t matter anyway since Trump will carry NC. I just refuse to support his reelection. Even if I vote him Trump is still going to lose nationally; thus that one vote wouldn’t change anything anyway.

    Had Trump grown as President and displayed a Reaganesque temperament in the role I’d vote for him.

    He hasn’t. He won’t. He is who he is. I’m not going to support him, and I’m certainly not going to lie to myself and say Trump’ current path isn’t going to lead inevitably to his defeat.

    Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, ye ladies of Spain.

  750. Tina says:

    Gov. Mike Huckabee
    ?
    @GovMikeHuckabee
    Disturbing. Anti-Semitic “Palestinian” Rashida Tlaib (there has NEVER been a nation called Palestine) erases Israel from map in her office & on 1st day as Congresswoman screams obscenities about @realDonaldTrump Do Dems support this bigotry and hate? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6556985/Democrat-Rashida-Tlaib-threatens-impeach-Donald-Trump-hours-sworn-in.html

    5,423
    5:02 AM – Jan 4, 2019

  751. Tina says:

    500,000 manufacturing jobs gained in 2 years.

    But, we do not have a magic wand to wave around.

    -Barack Milhouse Obumbler

  752. Tina says:

    Fed Chairperson Powell is talk8ng and the markets are dropping,

    The Grim Reeper needs to crawl back under his desk.

  753. Tina says:

    And the freak show continues…

    House Drats introduce bill to do away with the electoral college.

    House drat introduces a protect ?Fuhrer Mulehead bill.

  754. Wes says:

    The only way the Electoral College disappears, Tina, is this scenario:

    1) Trump wins reelection.

    2) 2022 looks like 1958.

    3) 2024 looks like 1964.

    I would advise Republicans to start more actively trying to win the national popular vote along with the electoral vote though because if that scenario ever occurs Dems will promptly eliminate the Electoral College, and Republicans won’t be able to brag about winning the Electoral College without at least an accompanying plurality in the national popular vote anymore.

  755. Cash Cow TM says:

    I am all in for a wall (border security in whatever form).

    However, I do expect the Sierra Club and other E-whackos to protest vehemently against the wall on the basis of the wall impeding the migratory patterns of turtles, lizards, scorpions, snakes and other crawly critters who will be impacted by a physical wall.

    The solution easy is to put a couple of 6-inch diameter concrete pipes running through at the base of the wall so the natural critters can get N and S.

  756. Phil says:

    Wes, with California being such a mess and Democrats with a four and a half million vote cushion out of that state winning the national popular vote ts out of reach for any Republican – ever.

  757. Tina says:

    etweeted
    C3
    C3
    @C_3C_3
    ·
    1h
    Below is a statement by Mitt Romney denouncing the “character” of Rep. Rashida Tlaib for screaming she was going to “impeach the M*ther F*cker!” on her 1st day in office.

    Mitt Romney’s denouncement:

  758. Tina says:

    The Grim Reeper now says that he will be patient with monetary policy and that if asked, he will not resign,

    Market has rebounded.

  759. Wes says:

    I don’t agree with that at all, Phil. Dems certainly have an inherent advantage, but if Republicans managed to get popular-vote pluralities and majorities during the decades when they were averaging 40% of the seats in Congress at most, I don’t believe winning the national popular vote is outside the realm of possibility for the GOP.

    They’d better figure out a way to win it anyway because Dems are becoming increasingly incensed at losing the presidency while getting more votes overall. Once Dems manage to get 1960s-style congressional majorities again, the Electoral College will be gone.

  760. Phil says:

    Wes, it’s not just California. Nationally, the white vote shrinks as a percentage of the total popular vote by about two percent every presidential election.

    It’s just math and there isn’t a damned thing anyone can do about it.

  761. Phil says:

    In the years when Republicans had 40% of the congressional seats white voters made up 88% of the total voting electorate. There was room for the Republican share to grow. No longer the case. Reagan was elected in 1980 with an electorate where white voters made up 89% of the electorate. Again, the numbers no longer work for the GOP and get more dismal every cycle.

  762. Wes says:

    That assumes the non-white vote will remain monolithically Dem, Phil. Certain aspects of it like the black vote will. On the other hand, the Latino vote—which was critical in Florida for example in Rick Scott’s ouster of Bill Nelson—has mystifyingly become less antagonistic toward the GOP than before over the past few years. Now if Republicans strictly bank on the white vote, then, yes, they’re doomed to go the same way as the Whigs and Know-Nothings. However, if they actively reach out to persuadable non-white voters as Rick Scott did, then an uptick in support will manifest under the right circumstances.

  763. jason says:

    Once Dems manage to get 1960s-style congressional majorities again, the Electoral College will be gone.”

    I think you still need to get 3/5 of the state legislatures to approve it, and the smaller one would be stupid to do it, it gives them a lot of power.

    Nobody would be caught dead campaigning in NH or IA during the GE if it weren’t for the EC.

  764. Wobbles says:

    312000 created vs 17600o anticipated
    Rate is 3.9.

    Payrolls growth totaled 2.6 million in 2018, the highest since 2015 and well above the 2.2 million in 2017.

    For the jebots, 4.8 million jobs created in 2 years. And they are not the obumbler fast food, part time jobs.”

    Yeah, but some porn star says he had a one night stand with her 10 years before he became President.

    Focus, man, focus.

  765. Wes says:

    My point, Phil, is that demographics change. I’m 1900, Republicans dominated the black vote, and the South was monolithically Dem. Now those facets of American politics are almost their polar opposites from back then.

    Republicans in Congress were crushed almost entirely among white voters disaffected with Trump. Republicans not dealing with furious whites fared better. Other than Dean Heller and Martha McSally—both running in western states where Trump was anathema—Republicans dealing with hefty numbers of non-white voters actually held up fairly well.

    Saying Republicans are at an increasing disadvantage because of lesser white presence in the voting population, while true, doesn’t state everything. The reality is much more complex.

  766. Phil says:

    786

    LMAO That’s pretty good.

  767. jason says:

    wes, I don’t entirely disagree with your assessment of Trump but I still think his second term would be better than a committed socialist like Harris or Warren or any other of the Dems actually.

    I understand you point about your vote not making a difference, and that maybe if it did you would think differently.

    I cannot lecture you since I didn’t vote for him the first time around myself, but these people are full blown socialists, whatever reservations I still have about Trump pale in comparison.

  768. NYCmike says:

    “My only suggestion to Trump – build a smart fence, with a motion sensor grid, and a physical barrier only when necessary.”

    -I have seen several articles saying this very thing, and they were written by people from some of the agencies who spoke at Trump’s press conference yesterday.

  769. Wes says:

    Dems had 75% of the state legislatures when they were consistently attaining 2/3 majorities in Congress, Jason. They’re not concerned about whether or not someone campaigns in IA or NH. They’re only worried about winning. If the EC has to go to achieve that end, they won’t hesitate to eliminate it.

    You can bank on that.

  770. NYCmike says:

    “I think you still need to get 3/5 of the state legislatures to approve it, and the smaller one would be stupid to do it, it gives them a lot of power.”

    -I believe it may be 3/4ths (38 of 50) of the states??

  771. NYCmike says:

    Small states would NOT go for it.

    Huge impact on their power.

    (In my opinion)

  772. NYCmike says:

    One thing I am not surprised about:

    Wes abdicating his responsibility to vote, and not caring if someone like Obama is elected, all the while saying he is for limited government, and calling others “deadenders”.

  773. Wes says:

    Amendments require 2/3 approval by both houses of Congress followed by approval of 3/4 of the state legislatures within seven years of passing Congress for ratification.

    If Dems get to 2/3 in Congress, they’ll almost certainly have the 3/4 of the legislatures needed. They’ll fast track an amendment to eliminate the EC at that time.

  774. jason says:

    aying Republicans are at an increasing disadvantage because of lesser white presence in the voting population, while true, doesn’t state everything. The reality is much more complex.”

    This is certainly true.

    The fact is there are some very white states that elect a lot of Dems. MN, NH, VT, ME even IA. All over 90% white. VT is 97% white and elected Bernie Sanders.

    And there are some states like FL and TX where the Hispanic vote is not homogeneous pro-Dem.

    Demographics don’t tell the whole story. That being said, Rs should do a better job convincing minorities they can do better than the Dem’s nanny state give aways.

  775. jason says:

    “My only suggestion to Trump – build a smart fence, with a motion sensor grid, and a physical barrier only when necessary.”

    I have made this point here for years.

  776. Wes says:

    It’s not that I won’t vote, Mikey. Dan Forest and Thom Tillis are locks for my votes for Governor and Senator respectively. Donald Trump though still acts like a reality show host rather than a President. He will lose next year. I’m not going to sugarcoat that. It won’t be because of me though. He’ll carry NC. He just won’t carry enough states to win.

  777. NYCmike says:

    “That being said, Rs should do a better job convincing minorities they can do better than the Dem’s nanny state give aways.”

    -If jobs and economy keep growing, there will be 4 years for people to sweep under the rug and elect some Obama-disciple and their 1% growth……even though Wes is already throwing in the towel, I’ll remain hopeful we can avoid a Democratic President taking over in 2021.

  778. jason says:

    f Dems get to 2/3 in Congress, they’ll almost certainly have the 3/4 of the legislatures needed.”

    Not so sure.

    Even at 2/3 I doubt they will have majorities in the legislatures of WY, UT, ID, ND, SD, OK, NB, KS, KY, TN, AL, SC, LA for example.

    Not to mention that not all Dems in small states will be in favor either. There will be a lot of pressure to vote against. And while the national Dems are all socialists now, there are still more conservative Dems in the legislatures.

  779. NYCmike says:

    “Donald Trump though still acts like a reality show host rather than a President.”

    -Should he act more like Dubya to get you to vote for him?

  780. Phil says:

    Wes is correct that if Democrats gain control of state legislatures they could pass a constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college. It may not matter if (when) Texas turns blue. The electoral college math won’t work either.

    The white population of both Houston Independent School District and Dallas Independent School District is now right at seven percent. Don’t even get me started on San Antonio and Austin. George W carried Travis County (Austin) in 2000. Hillary carried it by almost 200,000 votes sixteen years later. Beto carried it by 250,000 votes two years later. See the trend here?

  781. jason says:

    I think wes is being realistic under the current scenario, but 2 years is an eternity in politics. Even 1 year is as we saw with Trump’s rise.

  782. Wes says:

    I’d be hopeful if Trump weren’t actively trying to be the next Jimmy Carter, Phil. Since he’s decided to make himself a grossly unpopular lightning rod I’m not going to worry about convoluted reelection scenarios. He’s done. End of story. It’s all because of his own actions too. I can’t cry when he’s bringing this on himself.

  783. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1080637699462189056

    -This part of Trump’s tenure has been HORRIBLE.

    Too bad a Republican Congress did not help in that regard, but I am not really surprised, considering that many “Republicans” at HHR don’t even think Congress can write legislation on their own if the President is from their political party.

  784. Wes says:

    I always knew you were an idiot, Mikey. When I specifically used the term “Reaganesque” to describe how I feel Trump should act as President, THAT should have told you my template for what I would like to see.

    You’re stupid though, so naturally you missed the obvious.

  785. jason says:

    Below is a statement by Mitt Romney denouncing the “character” of Rep. Rashida Tlaib for screaming she was going to “impeach the M*ther F*cker!” on her 1st day in office.

    Mitt Romney’s denouncement:”

    Right, because he is a scumbag that thinks personal attacks against Trump are ok, personal attacks by Trump are not.

    He has joined the Dems, MSM and Never Trumpers on the “ends justify the means” bandwagon.

  786. Wes says:

    Of course I’m sure Mikey can point out all the time members of Congress have proposed legislation without input from the President of their own party.

    And…GO!

  787. Phil says:

    Yeah, Romney’s silence doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately. I donated a chunk of money to the guy in 2012. Disappointing.

  788. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    I saw the word. You want Trump, as the person that he is, to not only act in the same sort of “presidential” manner as Reagan and the Bush boys, but also go further and emulate Reagan with humor and an always positive outlook, as well as wonderful oratorical skills.

    Yup, I must be the stupid one.

  789. jason says:

    So wes, the MSM is 99% Trump bashing 24/7. It’s the most sordid, dishonest, partisan display I have ever seen.

    Do you really think he should just take it lying down?

    You really think that would help his popularity?

    I say this because it certainly didn’t help Dole, GHWB, McCain or Romney to let the MSM define them and trash them, and they had it good compared to Trump.

  790. Phil says:

    Romney, W, McCain while he was living seemed to have very short memories. The MSM savaged them all 24/7. They destroyed Bush’s second term……and now they think Trump ought to lay down while that same media kicks the sh*t out of him twice as hard as the media went after any of them.

    You couldn’t make this up.

  791. jason says:

    Yeah, Romney’s silence doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately. I donated a chunk of money to the guy in 2012. Disappointing.”

    I worked my ass off for him 2012. I was even part of the ill fated Orca Project.

    From now on when he mentions “character” my reaction will be the same as when Amoral Scumbag does it. Amoral Scumbag has the morals of a floating turd, but thinks he is better than Trump.

  792. Wes says:

    Ed Wood calls out Mikey.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qro7oBzUBos

    I never said anything about the Bushes, Mikey. I don’t know where the hell you got that. Even so, Reagan knew how to handle himself as President, ingratiate himself with people, tout his accomplishments, and build support for his agenda.

    Trump does not. That’s why Trump is unpopular and is going to lose next year.

  793. Wes says:

    I like how the Trumpkins distort what I said. Since I mentioned Reagan already, I’ll ask you this: Did Reagan take the Let’s constant bashing meekly?

    Answer honestly, and you have your answer.

  794. jason says:

    Yep, Romney attacks Trump for “attacking the media”.

    The same media that made him out to be a job killing dog torturer. Who trashed him mercilessly because he had horses, 2 caddies and an elevator. Nothing was too low or too extreme to throw against him.

    Like I said yesterday, only the Stockholm Syndrome explains it.

  795. jason says:

    Did Reagan take the Let’s constant bashing meekly?

    You are not going to get me to say Trump deals with a hostile press better than Reagan. One of the problems the MSM had at that time calling him a warmonger was that he just didn’t look or talk like a warmonger.

    But I would argue that Reagan faced nothing like Trump is facing.

    Just turn on CNN or MSNBC or watch the nightly network news or late night shows and you will see that this is completely different.

    CNN actually has a banner that says “Trump’s lies and falsehoods about ______” whatever they are talking about.

  796. Wes says:

    Well, then maybe rather than look like a petty jackass by responding to every attack on him, be it from CNN or Jimmyjoebobsmith.blogspot.com, Trump should save his guns for the big, potentially hurtful attacks on him by listing his accomplishments while saying something like “CNN is worried about accusing me of lying about everything. What are they doing for you while I’m working to improve the lives of average Americans by giving them tax and regulatory relief and bringing back manufacturing jobs?”

    That would be too much of an adult response for Trump to give though.

  797. NYCmike says:

    #808 – not sure if there is a database for such a question, as any sponsor outside of the legislator would probably NOT be included, I would think.

    The point is – there is no need for input from the Executive Branch. The Legislative Branch has certain powers. If they choose to abdicate, like you do, is NOT my fault.*

    *I bet if someone from the HFC was speaker, they would have introduced the repeal of Obamacare on Jan 21, 2017.

  798. NYCmike says:

    Video out with Ocasio-Cortez dancing in college…..Trump may end up asking her to be in his Cabinet. Best-looking Democratic women out there?

  799. Wes says:

    It’s really simple, Mikey. Look at legislation proposed under the various Presidents, see what was proposed by members of the President’s party, see how much didn’t match an agenda backed by the President.

    Since you say such a thing is easy for members of Congress to do this, surely someone has done it in the past.

    Now provide a piece of legislation matching the above criteria.

    And…GO!

  800. NYCmike says:

    “That would be too much of an adult response for Trump to give though.”

    -Trump is what, 72 years old.

    You want him, after a lifetime of achievement, struggles, ups and downs, more success, and then an initial attempt at politics resulting in the Presidency of the United States, to start acting totally different, because Wes, in 2019, is already saying Trump will lose………especially since, after all, Wes was so correct in 2016 in predicting Trump’s victory……

  801. Wes says:

    Mikey, last time I predicted Republicans had no chance of holding the White House because the President was toxic was 2008. Guess what…

    THEY LOST!

    Keep pretending a President who’s made a cottage industry of stepping on his own message and acting like a fifth grader is going to win though.

    When he loses next year I’ll be eagerly dismantling your vapid arguments about how “fake news” and the eeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” cost him reelection.

  802. NYCmike says:

    “Look at legislation proposed under the various Presidents, see what was proposed by members of the President’s party, see how much didn’t match an agenda backed by the President.”

    -Wes,

    Trump, as shown by many different people on HHR, and there are countless stories in the news, has displayed a stunning breadth of supporting different ideas about all sorts of issues, many of which are contradictory – universal healthcare, dislike of Obamacare, insurance across state lines…..etc.

    There was NO REASON whatsoever to listen to any of it, other than the campaign promises, which mentioned the repeal of Obamacare.

    Congress could have done it…..they just did not have the b*lls to follow thru…..and it hurt them in 2018.

  803. NYCmike says:

    “When he loses next year I’ll be eagerly dismantling your vapid arguments about how “fake news” and the eeeeeeeeeeeevil “Establishment” cost him reelection.”

    -Try copying-and-pasting those comments first, sport. Show your work.

    Don’t be a “CG”.

  804. Wes says:

    You’re seriously stating you’re not going to claim Trump’s impending loss will be a result of extraneous forces unrelated to Trump’s conduct in office, Mikey

    I’m calling BS on that. Trump will be the principal and decisive factor in his own loss.

  805. Wes says:

    I’ve already told you why Trump will lose, Mikey. He failed to adapt and grow as President. The midterms should have been a wake up call. They were not. Trump is acting exactly as he did before the election. He’s learned nothing, so he’s changed nothing.

    Clinton and Obama also had horrible first midterms. They shifted focus in their respective third years in office and recovered their popularity enough to win. Trump has done no such thing. Accordingly Trump will lose.

  806. Scooterboy says:

    I have to agree with Wes. Following the midterms I also posted here that Trump needed to make a pivot. I haven’t seen it yet. I’m getting more worried by the day that this Country is gonna elect a crazy Socialist in 2020. God help us all.

  807. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    I have not said otherwise about Trump. If he loses, it will be due to his not getting enough votes in enough states to get to 270. NO EXCUSES.

    All I am saying is that you throwing in the towel in Jan 2019 is premature. Would I like Trump to act more like Reagan in temperament? Sure, why not.

    Would I like “Republicans” on the fence, to focus more on what the alternative will be, if the Democratic candidate wins? Definitely.

    BUT, you already stated that you are NOT worried about such an event taking place.

  808. dblaikie says:

    Wes is a very smart person. Yet I disagree with his certainty. Clinton didn’t just shift focus, he caved completely. Who can forget his State of the Union where he proclaimed, “the era of big government is over.” This from the guy who gave everything for single payer health care. Oh Bill was shifty, so much so that he made Newt Gingrich into a creature of darkness while at the same time co-opting his agenda.

    Obama never shifted. If anyone got into his way, they were just labeled as racists by him and his mouthpieces in the press.

    In addition, they served at a different time when the country was in a different place.

    Again, I will make no predictions. However I will once again say Trump will rise or fall not from silly tweets but by his Governance in those areas he can.

    Today is good example. The Dems. and their masters in the media would have you believe that we our on the edge of deep recession. Everyone hates us. Trump will be bested by China. But the reality is that the talking head heads predicted 175000 new jobs when instead it was 317000 new jobs coupled with robust wage growth. So many more people reentered the job market that the unemployment rate went up! All this is in the middle of trade struggle with China and the EU? I wonder what will happen if Trump settles those?

    Once again, no predictions here, but Donald Trump has a solid base of over 40% voting Americans. The question is how many others who may not like Trump personally, but like his policies will hold their nose and vote for him? That is the unknown question. Until that becomes clearer or the numbers of Trump’s base change, it is silly to speak with certainty about 2020.

  809. Wes says:

    You’re ignoring the principal factor in the midterms, DB: Trump’ Immense personal unpopularity brought on by his grating public demeanor.

    Trump had a raft of accomplishments going into November 2018. They mattered not one bit because Americans personally disliked him. Dems came out in force and swamped high turnout by Republicans. The GOP lost seats Dems hadn’t held in almost half a century in the heart of GOP country even as Republicans turned out.

    It was all because Trump kept stepping on attempts to highlight the good the Trump Administration had accomplished. That hasn’t changed.

    MI, WI, and PA were touted as states Trump flipped from the Dems in 2016. All three decisively rejected Republicans because Trump was such a loathed President. Since then, MI has even lost a prominent factory, undercutting Trump’s narrative of bringing back manufacturing jobs.

    Looking at events, 2018 should have been a year of light House losses rather than a 1974-style bloodbath. Instead it was the year of the worst GOP congressional losses since Watergate, eclipsing even the disastrous 2006 cycle, which only had a President with 37% popularity and a grossly mismanaged war to gin up Dem turnout.

    That’s why I’m comfortable in repeating my March 2007 prediction now. I’d love to be able to give a more optimistic assessment. In good conscience, I cannot because what I’m seeing gives that assessment no realistic grounds.

    All I’m seeing from Trump supporters in 17 if scenarios punctuated with hoping Dems will nominate Hillary 2.0 and forget PA, MI, and WI exist.

    Since there’s no evidence of such an occurrence I can analyze based only on what I see.

    That means Trump will lose. Sorry, but I’m not going to give a feel-good assessment just because you don’t like what I have to say.

  810. lisab says:

    Mikey, last time I predicted Republicans had no chance of holding the White House because the President was toxic was 2008. Guess what…

    THEY LOST!
    ————————

    actually the last time was 2016

  811. Wes says:

    Incorrect, Lisa.

    1) There was no Republican President in 2016; therefore a Republican President was not toxic.

    2) While I did predict Trump would lose I had him within striking distance at a 259-279 loss and said Hillary gave him a narrow outside shot at victory.

    I did, however, say as early as March 2007 Bush was too unpopular for Republicans to win in 2008. I was met with tremendous derision for that. People on here had ridiculous scenarios for McCain to win—the Delbov Curve, Obama at 39% et al—but realistically President’s unpopularity was the final determining factor in the election. It will be the same next year.

  812. Wes says:

    Of course if we want to go that route, I predicted Obama would win in 2008, Romney would cut into Obama’s 2008 showing but still lose, and Trump would lose narrowly in 2016. That’s a 67% accuracy rating, as opposed to the 33% accuracy rating by those declaring Trump will win next year.

  813. lisab says:

    yes, you did say trump would get to 259

    but you were sure he would lose

  814. Wes says:

    I also said he had an outside chance at victory though I stated that was unlikely to materialize. At the same time Republicans didn’t hold the White House in 2016; ergo there was no way they could hold it in 2016. You really should read what I said—especially considering how specific it was—before making a response.

  815. lisab says:

    btw, i’m not predicting a trump win in 2020

    i would say it depends on how crazy the dems get

    and if trump gets a wall. if he doesn’t i think his base erodes significantly.

  816. lisab says:

    “I’ve consistently said Trump wouldn’t win but would keep it to a 3- or 4-point race nationally.

    I don’t see how that’s hedging.

    The current average of polls is right around where I’ve been saying it would be for the past year.

    That’s why I gave him a 259-279 loss.”

  817. dblaikie says:

    Wes, you misunderstand me. I respect what you have to say, I just don’t agree with its importance for 2020. Frankly I don’t buy the premise that Trump and not the candidate running was on the midterm ballot. Sure Trump’s lack of popularity in the suburbs was a factor but just one among others. To be honest I don’t put all that much importance on the results of midterms. I have been burned too many times. I have seen great victories turn out to be nothing when the general election starts. I am not going to disagree with you about his unpopularity in places like Bucks and Chester Counties in Pa. But what I do question is that when push comes to shove how many of those suburbanites, who are moderately conservative but don’t like Trump, are going to vote for a loon like Camilla Harris. Like I say in 2020 many will hold their noise, some will be sick while doing it, but they will punch the ticket for the policies they like.

    Wes, incumbency during a general election is a powerful thing. So is a solid base. So is a huge bundle of cash. For all these reasons I am not any where close to counting Trump out.

  818. Wes says:

    While I did say that in other posts I gave Trump a small glimmer of hope. Also, you should look up what hold means. Trump couldn’t hold an office Republicans didn’t have in 2016:

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hold

  819. lisab says:

    dblaikie,

    trump will have the cash and the gop’s machine, such as it is, which he did not have last time

    but the dems will not make the mistake of not campaigning in the midwest next time

    a lot depends on who the dem nominee is

  820. Wes says:

    DB, Jimmy Carter had incumbency, cash, and even compliant media who tried to say Reagan would launch World War III in 1980. He was about as unpopular as Trump is now. Reagan won the popular vote 51-41 and the Electoral College 489-49.

  821. Messy says:

    842. Wesley the Weasel thinks that Jimmy Carter had a compliant media, who tried to say Reagan would launch World War III.

    The media wasn’t compliant at all. In November 1979, Carter had a 23% approval rating.

    The Ayatollah saved Carter for a time, otherwise he’d have been blown away by Ted Kennedy.

  822. dblaikie says:

    Wes, again a fair point. However, Donald Trump is no Jimmy Carter who had no idea how to handle Reagan. But more importantly, in remembering Reagan, there is no one on the Dem. side who is even close to his political savvy and skills. So even though it is a fair point, it is still apples and oranges.

  823. Wes says:

    Carter had a low approval rating because he was a weakling Americans didn’t take seriously. The media loved him and were even predicting his victory a week out from the election, Messy the Moron.

    By the way, is Snipes still a Republican?

  824. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    837. “i would say it depends on how crazy the dems get.”

    Right now, it appears Pelosi is attempting to limit the role of the crazy leftists and socialists. They are going to learn fairly quickly that Pelosi is not a person you want to cross. Also, it is likely the obscenities and fair left rhetoric of the socialists will alienate the public quickly. Ocasio-Cortez calling for a 70% tax on the “super wealthy” ignores the fact that the super wealthy people fund the Democratic Party and control the media.

  825. dblaikie says:

    Lisab, Exactly! The comforting thing is that I can’t think of anyone on the Dem side who will make a credible nominee. They are all a bunch of hacks.

  826. Wes says:

    Reagan was the epitome of a savvy pol, DB. Dems don’t need a Reagan or another Franklin Roosevelt though. They just need someone who can take advantage of Trump’s unpopularity.

    See Joe Biden, whom Diane Feinstein just endorsed over her Senate colleague Kamala Harris. That strikes me as a sign Dems are taking this race seriously and plan to undercut Trump in the suburbs and with his working class base.

  827. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, Trump has walked back from his plan to immediately withdraw from Syria:

    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States has no timeline for the withdrawal of American troops from Syria but does not plan to stay indefinitely, a senior State Department official said on Friday, sending a strong signal that U.S. forces could stay until the fight against Islamic State militants is over.”

  828. dblaikie says:

    Wes, no offense but I will never take Uncle Joe seriously. After all he has already lost the Indian Vote with statement about how they all work at Dunkin Donuts (by the way that is an attempt at humor). If he is the best they have to offer, Trump’s chances went way up.

  829. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    848. “That strikes me as a sign Dems are taking this race seriously and plan to undercut Trump in the suburbs and with his working class base.”

    Agree Wes. They are motivated, and starting now to reign in the far left. The fact that Bernie is experiencing his own “Me Too” moment from his 2016 campaign is going to further weaken the leftists.

    A huge issue for the Democrats is having a primary candidate who can do well, so the far left does not pull off another series of Bernie-type primary victories. Biden popularity in the polls may make him the leading contender. The Democrats also need to bluntly and in no uncertain terms let Hillary know she should not run again.

  830. NYCmike says:

    Trump on one side – not great, but should have a good record to run on.

    Dem side – No Obama (unless Michelle runs), No Reagan-like figure

  831. Wes says:

    DB, Biden has never lost an election (though he flopped in two presidential primaries) and appeals to the exact voters Trump needs to win. His numerous gaffes have never hurt him politically. If Biden is the nominee Trump will see his support decrease rather than increase.

  832. bio mom says:

    Go to Real Clear Politics and read the link to an article by Noah Berlatsky postedthere about white parents. The biggest bunch of baloney I have read in a long tome. Sorry I cannot post the link here.

  833. Cash Cow TM says:

    “lisab says:
    January 4, 2019 at 3:05 pm
    dblaikie,

    trump will have the cash and the gop’s machine…”
    __________________
    Trump does not have THIS cash

    signed,
    Cash Cow TM

  834. Tina says:

    Well, the Webb for dod secretary is fake news,

    Notice how the jebots continue to tout the fake news?

  835. gameboy says:

    #853

    Biden doesn’t have a shot.

    1) In this day and age the Dems would never nominate an old white guy.
    2) Biden is showing his age these days. Trump would dominate over him in a side by side debate. Based on recent Biden appearances I have seen his mind is clearly working a step slower than yesteryear.

  836. CG says:

    jason says:

    March 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Denver will rue the day they paid 95 million for a guy whose best years are way behind him when they could have a guy who is a proven winner for the future.

    Tebow will go on to be a great player. Manning is a decrepit has been who will continue to have one medical problem after another.

  837. Bitterlaw says:

    This just got real. Corey and Jason will now go to war over which mediocre QB was better – Cutler or Tebow.

  838. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    854. “Go to Real Clear Politics and read the link to an article by Noah Berlatsky postedthere about white parents. The biggest bunch of baloney I have read in a long tome. Sorry I cannot post the link here.”

    The article is a total joke. Some white parent sends his kid to a white private school. Then complains about whites being racist. He should be sending his kids to a public school in an urban neighborhood. The irony is Latino or African-American loath people like this — they come across amazingly condensing.

    “At the same time, though, the school is a private school. Sending kids to private school is an option you only have if you have a certain amount of money. In paying for him to go to that school, we were at least partially abetting a system that benefits more affluent people. And affluent people in the U.S. are often (though not always) white. We sent our son to a school that taught and encouraged anti-racism. But teaching people to be anti-racist doesn’t necessarily address the structure of racism itself.”

  839. J. Cutler says:

    No brainer.

  840. Wes says:

    Cool story, Gameboy. Stick with it since it obviously makes you sleep better at night.

  841. Scooterboy says:

    How can someone be against separating a child from their mother at the border, but then support spending which funds abortions that separates a child from their mother forever?

  842. Marco Rubio says:

    Thank you for your thupport! We gotta keep the Methicans out of our gweat nation!

    Thank you Fwiends!

  843. Robb E. says:

    Nice blog you have here.

  844. lisab says:

    i think biden could win …

  845. Messy says:

    863. Especially miscarried or stillborn ones.

  846. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is scum. Great jobs report. Both can be true.

  847. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wha Scoot, another TRIGGERED Trumpkin with his lies. I don’t remember anyone forcing a woman to have an abortion. I do recall women having their babies ripped from their arms thanks to your HERO’s orders.

    Scoot is ok with the latter and justifies it with a made up lie about women being forced to have abortions against their will.

    Typical reTHUG lies. Nothing but lies.

    #RESIST!

  848. lisab says:

    Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll
    ———

    when you have lost harvard, the end is near

    (all their research funding is on hold until the government opens)

  849. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wall DOES NOT EQUAL Border Security.

    Cory Gardner and other ReTHUG senators pressuring Turtle to end the shutdown.

    When you have lost Gardner and your senators…

    #RESIST!!!

  850. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-says-tlaib-dishonored-herself-country-by-cursing-him/

    -This is why I will not put the stake thru another 4 years of President Trump…….the closer it gets to the election, the more mayhem there will be, and that is a battlefield that he likes.

  851. NYCmike says:

    ““I thought her comments were disgraceful,” Trump told reporters Friday afternoon outside the White House. “This is a person that I don’t know. I assume she’s new. I think she dishonored herself and I think she dishonored her family, using language like that in front of her son and whoever else was there. I thought that was a great dishonor to her and to her family. I thought it was highly disrespectful to the United States of America.””

    -On point.

  852. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow, such an IRONIC statement by the Orange Looosah. He can dish it out, but the Orange Snowflake can’t take it. Typical Looosah.

  853. Tina says:

    Not a good two days for Piglosi and the drats.

  854. dblaikie says:

    You know that Proud O is having a bad day when he posts inane stuff like 874. I suppose he forgot or perhaps didn’t have the vocabulary to know the term “counter-punch.”

  855. dblaikie says:

    I see the Dems have already started their overreach. Let’s start with requiring 10 years of tax returns. That would be a great thing for a candidate to do — if they wished to do so.Talk about giving too much power to an oversight board. If you aren’t satisfied with a candidates non release of tax returns — then vote against them!

  856. dblaikie says:

    I personally hope that Trump invokes a national emergency at the border and starts building the wall or whatever you call with military funds. It would be great fun to watch the reaction of the media and dems.

  857. mnw says:

    I hope Kobach runs for Roberts’ now-open Senate seat in KS. I don’t know if he can afford to go again so soon. He is still KS SOS.

    I just contributed to a “Build the Wall” gofundme account– $19 million & change raised so far– the second largest in gofundme history, & soon to be THE largest. 350000 contributors.

  858. Wes says:

    Mnw, Kobach just lost to a moonbat with a split leftist vote—in Kansas. He’s proved his lack of electoral viability. Republicans need to go with someone else.

  859. Wes says:

    To put things in perspective, Kobach’s loss would be like having a Dem seek a promotion to Governor in California and lose to a Republican while Steve Poizner is splitting the GOP vote. It takes a special kind of bad candidate to do that. Kobach would be, if not full-on Roy Moore (from an electoral perspective rather than a personal one), the closest thing the KSGOP has to Moore.

  860. Tom says:

    Hey Dave, please give us a new thread. I’m sick to death of having to look at Elizabeth Warren every time I sign on to HHR.

  861. Tina says:

    Glenn Greenwald
    ?
    @ggreenwald
    I’m working on a story about the Mueller investigation as it turns 2 years old. Trying to find out:

    * the number of Americans indicted thus far for crimes during 2016 election

    * the number of Americans indicted for criminally conspiring with Russians

    Anyone have these answers?

    1,124
    5:59 AM – Jan 5, 2019

    2 years in and it’s zero and zero. But the Decepticons want this sheot show to continue.

    Add another 2 years before the Fuhrer Mulehead appointment, by comedy, McCabe clapper, and the commie.

  862. Tina says:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-public-blamed-trump-for-the-shutdown-but-that-may-be-changing/amp/#click=https://t.co/fdtAYVHWMN

    538 reports that the polls are changing and drats may be blamed for the shutdown more than Trump.

  863. lisab says:

    10 U.S. Code § 2808 – Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency

  864. lisab says:

    Academic Journal: Newtonian Physics Is ‘Oppressive’ to Marginalized People

    Culture and gender-studies researcher Whitney Stark argues that Newtonian physics is oppressive.

    “This structural thinking of individualized separatism with binary and absolute differences as the basis for how the universe works seeped into/poured over/ is embedded in many structures of classification, which understand similarity and difference in the world, imposed in many hierarchical and exploitative organizational structures, whether through gender, life/nonlife, national borders, and so on.”

  865. Wes says:

    Let’s just employ meaningless jargon to try to call a bedrock science discriminatory.

  866. lisab says:

    Thankfully, Stark has a solution to this very clearly serious problem: “quantum feminisms” and “intersectionality.”

    “By taking a critical look at the noncentralized and multiple movements of quantum physics, and by dehierarchizing the necessity of linear bodies through time, it becomes possible to reconfigure structures of value, longevity, and subjectivity in ways explicitly aligned with anti-oppression practices and identity politics,” she writes. “Combining intersectionality and quantum physics can provide for differing perspectives on organizing practices long used by marginalized people, for enabling apparatuses that allow for new possibilities of safer spaces.”

  867. Wes says:

    I frequently use big words on here because of my expansive vocabulary, but I found my head hurting when I was reading that gobbledygook advocating redefining quantum physics to eliminate so-called oppression inherent in the science.

  868. lisab says:

    Hey, lisa, the least you could do was post a link:
    —————————

    no, i could do less

  869. lisab says:

    In quantum understanding, these [strategies “need to end all forms of violence”] take familiar forms. These intersubjective, less hierarchical organizing structures are “a performance of spacetime (re)configurings . . . more akin to how electrons experience the world than any journey narrated through rhetorical forms that presume actors move along trajectories across a stage of spacetime” (Barad 2010, 240). They are intra-connective assemblages of gathering and degathering, diffracting, quantum (leaping) political constellations; quantum alliances. And the power in that is exactly what would threaten Western, Cartesian scientific systems of legitimacy and value (binary thinking, taxonomy, what have you). These intentional quantum-style political strategies that emerge, gather, and disperse, in which energy/people are in multiple movements/moments at once, exchange, have wavelike properties, simultaneously embed themselves as illegible to traditionalized subject-based understandings. And thus they are not legible in these understandings’ systems of authentification.

  870. lisab says:

    ..and women have trouble in STEM you say?

  871. Tina says:

    Lisab, it is probably why the gubment bought up some old the land to build the fence last year, aka right of way.

  872. Tina says:

    The Lead CNN
    The Lead CNN
    @TheLeadCNN
    “This kerfuffle over the use of a word we can’t say on TV…was said actually at a private party. Someone recorded it and it was not meant to be out in public,” points out
    @KirstenPowers
    , adding that Trump has said the same thing at campaign rallies. (link: http://cnn.it/2F89NQM) cnn.it/2F89NQM

    Yes, Kirsten, just like the pssssy tape,

  873. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the latest about crime in Tijuana. Think how bad it would be if Mexico did not have strict gun control laws.

    “The number of homicides in Tijuana keeps a steady beat and doesn’t show signs of slowing down. 2018 wraps up as the deadliest year ever, beating 2017 – over 2,500 murders (an average of seven per day). July was the bloodiest with 251 murders and a dramatic story of a madman with a shotgun.

    “The total count of homicides since Mayor “Patas” took office surpasses 4,000. Tijuana’s morgue, known by its initials SEMEFO, has been over capacity since the beginning of the year and not much has been done to fix it. The most recent news is workers of the morgue will go on strike because they haven’t been paid.”

  874. Tina says:

    Cancun, Tijuana were descent places to visit back in the days, but no more,

  875. lisab says:

    White liberals dumb themselves down when they speak to black people, a new study contends

  876. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    898. The narcotics trade created violent chaos in a lot of Latin America. It plays a major role in California’s homeless problem and criminal & gang activity; U.S. cities are beginning to resemble Latin American cities with their own shanty towns, with the very rich living in guarded estates.

  877. lisab says:

    House Democrats to Introduce Bill Criminalizing Private Gun Sales on Tuesday

  878. Messy says:

    898. When was the last time you were there, Tina?

  879. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The first act of the Democratic crazy clown show has begun. They are outshining Trump in being outlandish.

    As have said before, the far left of the Democratic Party may come across so bad that it will help Trump be re-elected in 2020. Although Democratic leaders will do their best to be seen as more moderate, the press may focus on the far leftists. Just like the press focused on Trump in the 2016 elections. The irony of this is the liberal press may once again contribute to an election win by Trump.

  880. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    902. Messy, I live about 8 miles from Tijuana, and am there a lot. When was the last time you were there?

  881. lisab says:

    The People vs. Donald J. Trump

    He is demonstrably unfit for office. What are we waiting for?

    nytimes

  882. lisab says:

    Trump administration has stopped responding to UN investigators

  883. lisab says:

    Biden: Rush Limbaugh and the ‘conservative blonde woman’ to blame for shutdown

  884. Tina says:

    Maybe the clerk at the 7-11 is also to blame.

    You know “their kind”.

    But it’s joe, we give him a free pass, because he has that smile, you know?

  885. lisab says:

    How Federal Workers Could Fight the Shutdown
    BY
    BEN BECKETT RYAN HANEY
    Federal workers have dealt with low pay, degraded working conditions, and repeated employer lockouts. If they want to improve their conditions, they’ll have to organize.

  886. lisab says:

    Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Introduced

  887. Wes says:

    Although I think Trump is dooming himself with his carnival barker antics, the House is giving Republicans fodder for the same tactic the GOP used to win the House in 2010–painting Dems in marginal seats as enablers of radical leftist policies in Congress.

  888. Wes says:

    It will be interesting if House Republicans recapture a Majority even as the Donald loses. It would be a delicious irony.

  889. lisab says:

    Statehood for Puerto Rico must be in the 116th Congress’ agenda (thehill.com)

  890. lisab says:

    Ocasio-Cortez’s 70 Percent Top Tax Rate Is a Moderate, Evidence-Based Policy (nymag.com)

  891. lisab says:

    Dems to push gun control on anniversary of Giffords shooting

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats will introduce a bill to expand background checks for sales and transfers of firearms on Tuesday, the eighth anniversary of the day Giffords was shot in the head at a constituent meeting in Arizona.

  892. Tina says:

    On her first full day of campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in Iowa, Elizabeth Warren was asked about her DNA test.

    She responded with: “I am not a person of color. I am not a citizen of a tribe,”

  893. Wes says:

    The wealthy vote Dem. Republicans should work with the Dems to pass the proposal—along with a 10% wealth tax on all estates exceeding $1 million in value. If the rich want to enable Dems to pass this idiocy Republicans should help them. Ben Stein and Warren Buffett will quickly change their tune once pols start goring those rich hypocrites’ oxen.

  894. lisab says:

    Transgender pride flag hung in Congress by Rep. Jennifer Wexton

  895. lisab says:

    Pelosi gets standing ovation over climate change
    Newsroom

    Newly-elected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi receives a standing ovation after outlining her plan to fight climate change.

  896. lisab says:

    ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) — Local Missouri State Senator, and frequent President Trump critic, Maria Chappelle-Nadal took to social media to call for his impeachment Friday.

    The tweets, which used #ImpeachTheMF, came after newly-elected Michigan Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib used an expletive Thursday in pushing for impeaching President Donald Trump.

  897. lisab says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is floating a 70 percent top tax rate — here’s the research that backs her up

    Some studies indicate she’s aiming too low.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/4/18168431/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-70-percent

  898. lisab says:

    this is just the beginning!

  899. Proud Obamacon says:

    Well Holy Jesus Mother of Christ! Me and MNW agree on something WOW.

    I too hope that Kris Kobach runs for KS senator. Please Kris run. I know he’s busy investigating the election fraud committed by the rePUKEs in NC… LOL

    #BLUE.WAVE

  900. Bitterlaw says:

    My 7th grade girls team could not hold the 6-4 halftime lead. We lost 18-14. High school boys and girls teams play tomorrow. I hope to avoid an 0-3 start to the season.

  901. Bitterlaw says:

    Brutal ankle injury to Dallas receivers Hurns. Ankles should not bend that way.

  902. jason says:

    Glad I did not see that.

    I have only watched about half a dozen games this season, even with the end of the kneeling BS I am still down on the “pussification” of football.

    Here are the teams that I would like to see win the SB… Rams, Saints, Eagles, Bears, Cowboys.

    Teams that I don’t want to see win the SB.. Chargers, Cheatriots, Ravens, Colts, Chiefs, Seahawks.

  903. Bitterlaw says:

    Cowboys. The only things I hate more than Democrats are the Cowboys and their fans who do not live in Texas.

  904. Bitterlaw says:

    If the Eagles don’t win, I would like to see the Chiefs win the SB.

  905. Bitterlaw says:

    I despise Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. I can only hope they get crushed next weekend.

  906. tim V says:

    hi btter

  907. Messy says:

    904. two years ago. When did you become Tina?

  908. Bitterlaw says:

    Hey, Tim V. How is the grandpa business?

  909. Tina says:

    Anybody claiming that the syria pullout decision was “rushed” has not been paying attention:

    https://securitystudies.org/us-withdrawal-from-syria-was-not-unplanned-releasing-ssgs-secret-memo-to-the-white-house/

    The mission to rid Isis is finished.

  910. Tina says:

    Messy, you go to Cancun first and enjoy the bodies on the beach. Maybe, you missed the travel advisory warning, or this article:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/23/8-bodies-found-cancun-mexico-prompting-travel-warning/1071436002/

    High incidents of crime, theft, shootings, robberies, etc.

  911. tim V says:

    bitter- one grandson spent the night

  912. Messy says:

    934. Not as bad as Nebraska, however…https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/most-dangerous-cities-in-nebraska/collection_8a520a12-dc68-50d9-a130-7de37a76c5ef.html#7

    BTW. I’ve not been to Cancun recently, but I’ve been there quite a few times over the years.

    There are two parts to it: The Tourism zone, which is for the most part an Island, and the city, which is rather more interesting.

    I’ve also been to Alcapulco, which is lovely. In 2005, I took a bus trip all the way from San Diego to Cancun, and saw most of the entire country, which is beautiful.

  913. Tina says:

    Yes, agreed all of those areas are lovely, or used to be. It is too bad what the drug cartel has done, however.

  914. Tina says:

    cting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, meanwhile, told “Meet the Press” in an interview due to air on Sunday that Trump was willing to shift his demand from a concrete wall to a steel fence — something Trump himself has already publicly floated.

    This is from Meet the depressed and cited by the politico. Just to reiterate, it is old news.

    Some areas will be fencing, some wall, some steel, where needed,

    Good barriers can reduce illegals by 90/95 percent.

    There are other things that need to be done, such as ez verify, tax remittances, etc.

  915. jason says:

    I hope Kobach runs for Roberts’ now-open Senate seat in KS.”

    Yes, because we just gifted a moonbat the governorship of a red state like KS, let’s give them a senate seat too.

    Kobach is a turd of a candidate, first litmus test of the deadenders. Someone who can lose a safe seat to a moonbat.

  916. jason says:

    Messy has a passport?

    Amazing someone that ignorant could get one.

  917. jason says:

    If the Eagles don’t win, I would like to see the Chiefs win the SB.”

    Their defense sucks. The offense is awesome, but I remember one SB where Author told me Denver’s vaunted offense could not overcome Seattle’s great defense. He was right, at least that year.

    The Chiefs have lost 3 of their last 6 games. Maybe they were coasting, maybe they miss Kareem Hunt.

    They should be able to beat the Colts though.

  918. Tina says:

    Jason, I think Coach Reid becomes a liability in the playoffs,

    Bl, to defend Reid in 3, 2, 1…

  919. jason says:

    Kobach showed he has little appeal beyond a very limited base of immigration deadenders. He won the primary by a couple hundred votes and lost the GE decisively to a liberal Dem.

    Yet mnw wants to run him again for the Senate, presumably so he can lose again, while sending some kind of message.

    The stupidity is astounding.

  920. jason says:

    Tina, you can always count on Reid for some dumb decision.

    But if the Chiefs don’t make it, their porous defense will probably be the reason.

    But maybe they can win the SB 50-49.

  921. Wes says:

    Even worse, Kobach carried three of Kansas’ House districts and faced an opponent with a split vote. He still lost 43_48. He’s not the ‘droid the KSGOP is looking for.

  922. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud in 2015 – If Obama ever declares a national emergency to push through one of his liberal policy items, it would be unconstitutional and he should be impeached.

    Jason fraud in 2019 – Trump declaring a national emergency to build his wall is a stroke of genius. Anyone who doesn’t support a move that Hugo Chavez would have made is a cuck.

  923. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Would it be unconstitutional for Trump to declare an emergency when there are already over 12 million illegal immigrants in our country, and there are thousands more on the border saying they will attempt to get in, ILLEGALLY IF NECESSARY, when they get a chance?

    Is there any number of illegals crossing our border that would make you think it is a viable emergency situation?

  924. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Also, if there were not so many illegals already here, and if there were not thousands threatening to do the same, wouldn’t the citizens of this country be open to more LEGAL IMMIGRATION?

    I know my view on the subject would be drastically different if there were not such an abuse of the current system right now.

  925. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag, with the morals of a floating turd, is unhinged.

    I have never supported a wall here, unless it was a virtual wall with surveillance, drones, sensors etc. with a physical wall only in urban areas.

    GFY.

  926. NYCmike says:

    Also to Robbie – are you unable to copy and paste where the people you accuse of saying something actually say what you are saying they say?*

    *Say Hey, Willie Mays!

  927. jason says:

    I also never support government shutdowns to score political points.

    Amoral Scumbag is 0-2, but it’s early, will probably be 0-10 by the time the days is over.

  928. NYCmike says:

    “I have never supported a wall here, unless it was a virtual wall with surveillance, drones, sensors etc. with a physical wall only in urban areas.”

    -I just read where a heavier barrier was built in Yuma, AZ, and illegal crossings were cut by 90%.

    Has anyone seen the same information? Would Yuma be considered an “urban area”?

  929. jason says:

    Jason fraud in 2015 – If Obama ever declares a national emergency to push through one of his liberal policy items, it would be unconstitutional and he should be impeached.

    Jason fraud in 2019 – Trump declaring a national emergency to build his wall is a stroke of genius. Anyone who doesn’t support a move that Hugo Chavez would have made is a cuck.”

    So Amoral Scumbag, can you find ANY post where I make either one of these points?

    You can search for it while you are looking for Jeb Bush’s real killer, try multi-tasking.

  930. jason says:

    Would Yuma be considered an “urban area”?”

    I think you need a physical barrier in urban areas, most of them already have one though.

  931. NYCmike says:

    “I also never support government shutdowns to score political points.”

    -Neither do i.

    I support shutdowns when the opposition party (or even both parties) is clearly acting in ways detrimental to the long-term viability of the country.

  932. jason says:

    THere are already over 700 miles of walls/fences along the Mexican border.

  933. jason says:

    I support shutdowns when the opposition party (or even both parties) is clearly acting in ways detrimental to the long-term viability of the country.”

    Translation: for political points.

  934. Tina says:

    Ny

    of this, that you have here, is just within the last couple of weeks? This was in the last week,” said Scott, proudly pointing out a new portion of fence.

    The new replacement fence was funded before President Trump came into office and was shown to our crew by Border Patrol for the first time. Eventually it will be 14 miles long, and 18 feet high on average, even taller in other areas. And for Border Patrol agents, it’s a game changer in border security. This new fence has concrete that runs 6 feet below the surface, so migrants are unable to dig under the fence. Steel bollards, encased in concrete, are separated by mere inches allowing agents to see what’s on the other side. In some areas, the wall is 30 feet high. That’s a significant upgrade from other areas of the outdated fence where human traffickers can cut through the metal.

    https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diegos-border-patrol-chief-explains-whats-working-whats-not

  935. Tina says:

    Folks. You have to read the local newspapers about the border barriers I just cited two,

    The jebots allied with the enemy of the people will not report this,

  936. NYCmike says:

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/04/the-character-that-matters/

    -“I think that is a mature and politically enlightened attitude. And it brings me to the two elephants that loiter about the room whenever the discussion turns to Trump’s character and fitness for office. The first elephant is named Hillary Clinton. Jonah has been a staunch critic of Hillary Clinton. Bravo for that. But I believe I am correct in saying that confronted with the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump he abstained from voting for either. To me, although I too live in a place where Republican votes do not count, the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump was an existential, a moral choice—a choice, if you like, that turned upon the character of the two candidates.

    I submit that anyone possessed of even a smidgen of what Henry James called “the imagination of disaster” will shudder at the prospect of what a Clinton presidency would have entailed. Who knows whom she would have nominated to the Supreme Court and other federal courts, what she would have done about taxes, about energy, about the plague of political correctness on college campuses, about military spending, about border security, about North Korea’s nuclear ambitions, about religious freedom, about militant Islamism, about American manufacturing, about the size of government and the burdens of the regulatory state. And who knows what she would not have done, such as prime the economy to ensure near record peacetime employment and strong economic growth—which are moral acts in themselves given the millions whose lives have already been changed for the better.”

  937. Tina says:

    It is also not the illegals entering. There are drugs entering the country as well as human trafficking.

  938. NYCmike says:

    Right before the November election, Michael Savage mentioned an angle that he thought Trump should have used when it came to illegals and the caravan – it centered on their use of our medical system, and the strain it puts on it, as well as the increased costs for American taxpayers, and working people.

    I thought that was sound reasoning, and it still is. It combines the healthcare issue which the Democrats ran on in places like Bitterlaw’s PA area and other suburban enclaves, with the immigration issue, making it more than “Build The Wall”, which doesn’t really engage those voters in those districts.

  939. Tina says:

    But you also need

    More border guard,

    Keep the military there as long as it takes.

    E verify

    Better uses of trchnologies.

    Fines against companies that hire illegals knowingly,

    Tax on remittances.

    No social welfare,

    No birth right.

  940. NYCmike says:

    Tina,

    Unfortunately, many Republicans would be shocked at your list…….and I have no idea why that is.

  941. Tina says:

    Yes, shocked.

    The same Decipticons that ran on repealing Obumblercare, but failed to do so.

  942. Tina says:

    In New Mexico, CBP is building 20 miles of 18- to 30-foot steel bollard fence west of the Santa Teresa Port of Entry in place of a vehicle barrier — nearly all of it on state propert

    One more section of new barrier in New Mexico,

    This was from a local newspaper story, and Fox did a follow up report.

    So, the claim that nothing is being built is false. The mainstream media will not report these stories by in large,

  943. NYCmike says:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

    -In regard to Robbie’s sudden worries about “emergency powers”, there is this article. I have to read it again, and look more into, as it seems like there are a lot of things that Congress is, once again, allowing to go unchecked.

  944. Bitterlaw says:

    After suffering a defeat with my 7th grade girls team yesterday, I got a win with my high school boys team. My 4:00 game as coach of the high school girls will decide if I had a winning or losing record for the weekend.

  945. jason says:

    No birthright is not going to happen.

    Wasting time and effort on losing propositions just dilutes any meaningful action.

    More border guard, Yes

    Keep the military there as long as it takes. Yes

    E verify Yes

    Better uses of trchnologies. Yes

    Fines against companies that hire illegals knowingly, Yes

    Tax on remittances. No (counter productive, all it does is bring more illegals)

    No social welfare, Yes

    No birth right. No (will never happen)

  946. Diamond Jim says:

    The Bears still suck.

    Go Eagles.

  947. lisab says:

    Manchin Apologizes to ‘All Americans’ After New Dem Congresswoman’s ‘Disgusting’ Impeachment Call

  948. jason says:

    Our independent media…

    “Single Mom of a 4-Year-Old Landed Her Dream Job — Now, with the Government Shutdown, She’s Scrambling”

  949. jason says:

    No more onside kicks (with a chance to succeed) in order to “make the game safer”.

  950. jason says:

    Chargers and Ravens suck.

  951. jason says:

    Marxist Leninist on 60 minutes tonight.

    I can see the questions now.

    When can the American people look forward to a prosperity under Communism?

  952. jason says:

    a prosperity?

    I blame the one room schoolhouse on the Altiplano.

  953. Messy says:

    940. 114 countries since 1981.

    ignorant of what? racist lies told by some here? Perhaps.

  954. jason says:

    Messy, try to get at least a 5th grade education and then come back when you can write a coherent sentence.

    Really, with a little effort you could do it.

  955. jason says:

    114 countries since 1981.

    It’s spelled counties.

  956. jason says:

    And you can’t count counties you have visited more than once.

    That probably reduces it to about 10.

  957. jason says:

    Messy has visited 10 counties since 1981. Pretty impressive… considering…

    She will be shooting for 2 more in 2019.

  958. Tina says:

    Bears lose, like Jebot bush.

  959. Diamond Jim says:

    Bears!!!!!

  960. jason says:

    Great win by Eagles, they hung in there and gave themselves the chance to win.

    Game of inches indeed, that ball could have bounced either way.

  961. Bitterlaw says:

    Former Eagle Cody Parkey double drinks the kick. Thank you, Mr. Parkey.

  962. Corree says:

    Jay Cutler would have won that game.

  963. J. Cutler says:

    Damn straight.

  964. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    37m
    Anderson Cooper presses socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over her dishonesty and “fuzzy” math.

    She responds by saying people are too concerned about being “precisely” and “factually” correct about issues.

  965. jason says:

    Anderson Cooper asked a Marxist a tough question?

    If he off his meds?

  966. jason says:

    I am sure he will apologize soon.

  967. Diamond Jim says:

    Kam Alii Back to hibernation Bears fans for another ten years! ?

  968. Tina says:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Final-Shelby-1-6-19.pdf

    Funding request for ALL border enforcement measures, which includes the wall, is now over $12 billion,

  969. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Some areas will be fencing, some wall, some steel, where needed,…”

    “Good fences make good neighbors….” 🙂

  970. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    Let us know how the next bassetball game you coach turns out.
    Cow is pulling fo ry!

  971. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    How ’bout that Aiggles Feetsball game!

    I put down a tiny betat the sports betting place saying that the last field goal would
    1. Hit the goal post
    2. Then hit the crossbar and
    3. then bounce back into the end zone and not score any points.
    _______________
    I WON 30,000 BALES OF HAY!!!

  972. Tina says:

    Even the cows will be fenced.

  973. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    989. “?????@resisterhood Ocasio-Cortez is just excellent here – faced with “how can you say that?” in response to affirming that the president is a racist, she gives clear, concise, irrefutable examples. There’s a reason Republicans are terrified of her.”

    So true. Ocasio-Cortez is now the new spokesman of the Democratic Party! Move over Pelosi. At the very least, Ocasio Cortez should give the key note address at the 2020 Democratic Convention. And she will lead them to victory! Since as several posters have said repeatedly on this board, Trump is all but guaranteed to lose in 2020.

  974. Bitterlaw says:

    Cash Cow – My coaching record was 1-2 this weekend. Only bet on my boys team.

  975. Bitterlaw says:

    I want to point out that in post 1000, the M in My was for the number.

  976. jason says:

    Bitter is a M killer.

  977. jason says:

    I hope Diamond Jim is ok.

  978. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought DJ was a Packers fan. Corey is the Bears fan.

  979. Diamond Jim says:

    Bitterlaw is correct. I’m relishing the loss by the Bears.

  980. jason says:

    Corey was always ok with the Bears losing with Cutler so he is probably ok with them losing now. If the Bears lost 10 games in a season Corey would claim they would have lost 15 without Cutler. So now he is ok with them losing the playoff because without Trubisky they would not have made the playoffs. It’s a question of expectations.

    Meanwhile Bitter would not have been ok with Eagles losing because if you win one SB you should win them all.

  981. jason says:

    I hear Anderson Cooper asked the little Marxist Leninist if there was anything that wouldn’t be free if she became President.

    She couldn’t think of anything.

  982. jason says:

    “Jason fraud in 2015 – If Obama ever declares a national emergency to push through one of his liberal policy items, it would be unconstitutional and he should be impeached.

    Jason fraud in 2019 – Trump declaring a national emergency to build his wall is a stroke of genius. Anyone who doesn’t support a move that Hugo Chavez would have made is a cuck.”

    So Amoral Scumbag, can you find ANY post where I make either one of these points?

    You can search for it while you are looking for Jeb Bush’s real killer, try multi-tasking.”

    I guess Amoral Scumbag has not been able to find a single post where I supported emergency powers to build a wall, or one where I supported a government shutdown to build a wall, or even one where I supported building a physical wall in the first place.

    But I commend him for using all his time to search for them rather than wasting time posting here.

    Once he finds those posts, and Jeb Bush’s real killer, I am sure he will be back to defend the honor of a fine unbiased honest non-partisan MSM professional like Mika.

  983. Tina says:

    With respect to using a national emergency to build the wall, a Drat agrees that the president can do so.

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  984. Bitterlaw says:

    I have watched the replay 25 times. I really expected it to bounce in and give the Bears the win.

  985. Barrett says:

    This one isn’t a dig against Trump, it’s more of a dig against our political processes.

    In 1933, when Roosevelt Took Office, he was armed with new Emergency powers. The purpose of course was to be able to make quick decisions when needed in dire times (i.e. the Great Depression, World War II).

    People pushed back against this, citing that it was an over-extension of the Executive Branch. I’ve been doing some research, I haven’t found anything on whether this grants the President the ability to gain the “power of the purse.” If it does, then that would be where my concern lies, simply because it should be congress who holds this power.

    Encouraging though, is the fact that President Trump instructed Mick Mulvaney to find every available dollar for national defense through legal means.

    I’m not a fan of big government. None of us should be. I’m sure folks like Wes might agree with me on this one. We do need defenses at our border – I just don’t want to see another constitutional crisis.

  986. ssq says:

    You should stop watching, eventually because of the law of averages the ball will bounce the other way and the Bears will win.

  987. Barrett says:

    And Bitter, congrats to your Eagles. Our Ravens did not fare as well.

  988. jason says:

    I was critical of Obama for finding creative ways to circumvent Congress and rule by decree so to speak, so I don’t think emergency powers are appropriate in this case.

    Perhaps Trump can use it as a bargaining chip to get the Dems to fund more border protection, because if he does use emergency powers it will be up to the Dems to sue to stop it, and they might decide to come up with a few billion for a fence, not a wall rather than fight it out in court.

    I hope at least it’s clear to the low information voter that the Dems are not interested in border security, they want open borders, not even pretending any more.

  989. Wes says:

    This underscores what I was saying last year about why Walker should not have run and ultimately lost:

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/blogs/wisconsin-voter/2019/01/07/scott-walkers-shock-and-awe-politics-worked-until-didnt/2484838002/

    He should have recognized and respected the expiration of his sell-by date.

  990. ssq says:

    It’s pretty clear that God is an Eagles fan.

  991. jason says:

    wes, I would agree with you about Walker except he only lost by less than 30k votes out of 2.6 million cast.

    If he had lost by a bigger margin ok, but even with “expiration of sell by date” he was very competitive.

  992. Barrett says:

    1014 – Glad you agree. And yes, it should be painfully obvious that Democrats could care less about border security.

    Keep in mind that today’s “Progressive” isn’t really a progressive. If they were, they’d be stepping up and helping to make this border wall happen using scientific advancements in motion sensor technology.

    But Democrats are more interested in Gender Pronouns than they are in making any real progress.

  993. Diamond Jim says:

    I have watched the replay 25 times.

    Watch it 25 more times. It never gets old.

  994. ssq says:

    It’s a risk though. Sooner or later the ball will bounce the other way.

  995. jason says:

    Ginsburg missing SCOTUS arguments due to “recovery”.

    What is sad is that she will probably be willing to go through absolute hell to stay on the court for the cause. The compassionate liberals will be telling her you might be 88 and very sick, but don’t even think of resigning.

  996. CG says:

    I holding out hope some late replays from California will give the win to the Bears.

  997. Phil says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez interview last night on 60 minutes was interesting. I have to admit she is at least well spoken. Beyond that her argument was pretty much that while she may not be factually correct she is morally right. I suspect that is probably plenty enough for our brain dead millennials. In fact, I know it is.

    No doubt in my mind that she or someone exactly like her will be POTUS in 15 to 20 years. Book it. Hold on to your wallet and wave bye bye to your freedoms. Venezuela here we come. LOL

  998. Wes says:

    Except for the fact that Walker trailed in almost every poll and was clearly in danger early on, Jason. His approval ratings were ominous, and Dems had their best candidate to challenge him.

    I pointed out early on Walker was in trouble and likely wouldn’t survive. He didn’t. One of the signs of a good pol is knowing when to run and when to move on.

    Walker didn’t realize that and paid the price.

  999. jason says:

    Except for the fact that Walker trailed in almost every poll and was clearly in danger early on, Jason. His approval ratings were ominous, and Dems had their best candidate to challenge him.”

    Ok but he did much better than the polls predicted and almost won despite the approval ratings.

    My point is that it was probably not such a bad idea to run since he WAS competitive. Maybe Rs should have invested a little more in his race.

  1000. Wes says:

    Here’s a thought, Jason:

    Maybe Republicans didn’t invest more in Walker because they were already overextended on defense and felt an unpopular Governor consistently trailing in the polls wasn’t a wise allocation of resources. Walker had always had a narrow range of popularity. It was just a matter of time before his time ran out. He should have cashed out and let Republicans nominate a fresh face rather than end his career on an unnecessary loss.