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Sanders Leads Biden by 2% in NH

We have our first presidential primary poll of the year and it shows New Hampshire Democratic voters still happy to see Bernie Sanders become the nominee. The new numbers from Change Research.

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – DEM PRIMARY (Change Research)
Bernie Sanders 26%
Joe Biden 24%
Elizabeth Warren 11%
Beto O’Rourke 9%
Joe Kennedy III 9%
Kamala Harris 4%
Hillary Clinton 3%
Cory Booker 3%
John Kerry 2%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Michael Bloomberg 2%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Tom Steyer 1%
John Hickenlooper 1%
Sherrod Brown 1%
Richard Ojeda 1%
Steve Bullock 1%
Andrew Cuomo 0%
Terry McAuliffe 0%
John Delaney 0%
Jay Inslee 0%
Eric Swalwell 0%
Julian Castro 0%
Eric Holder 0%
Howard Schultz 0%

This poll was done January 2-3 among likely Democratic primary voters. Fascinating to see Joe Kennedy III manage to get into a fourth-place tie.

Posted by Dave at 10:58 am
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396 Responses to “Sanders Leads Biden by 2% in NH”

  1. Barrett says:

    Warren’s campaign is DOA if she can’t win a primary in her neighboring state.

    Though it is also Sander’s neighboring state.

  2. Phil says:

    Warren doesn’t have a snow ball’s chance in hell of winning the nomination. Too old and too phony.

    Right now I’d say Kamala Harris is the likely nominee. Beto is second most likely IMO.

  3. jason says:

    Howard Schultz gets my vote.

  4. jason says:

    I never heard of Howard Schultz, but the only one on that list that is not a committed socialist is Bloomberg.

    So he won’t get the nomination. Bullock is a flaming liberal but probably not as radical as the rest.

    Of course, Amoral Scumbag and CG will say any of them will help the cause of conservatism more than Trump.

  5. Phil says:

    With any of them you better hold onto your wallet.

  6. jason says:

    They are all nanny staters, Phil, not one believer in free enterprise among them.

    Unfortunately, that is what a lot of people want, and those that don’t are not willing to fight against the tide.

    Where are the Tom Steyers on the right willing to spend hundreds of millions extolling the virtues of personal responsibility, free enterprise and capitalism as a way of generating wealth?

    Why don’t billionaires that are not socialists try to break into the leftist MSM monopoly of group think?

  7. Wes says:

    Wes says:
    January 7, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    Here’s a thought, Jason:

    Maybe Republicans didn’t invest more in Walker because they were already overextended on defense and felt an unpopular Governor consistently trailing in the polls wasn’t a wise allocation of resources. Walker had always had a narrow range of popularity. It was just a matter of time before his time ran out. He should have cashed out and let Republicans nominate a fresh face rather than end his career on an unnecessary loss.

  8. jason says:

    Beto might be a crowd pleaser but I would put him in the top 3 of that list of “most likely to self destruct”. Booker would make the top 3 too.

    If I was a Dem and really wanted to win, I would vote for Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Bullock or Sherrod Brown or maybe Hickenlooper.

    The rest are high risk high reward if you are a moonbat.

  9. Phil says:

    Brain dead millennials + imported Democratic voters from abroad = the new American majority of the future.

    Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you.

  10. jason says:

    aybe Republicans didn’t invest more in Walker because they were already overextended on defense and felt an unpopular Governor consistently trailing in the polls wasn’t a wise allocation of resources”

    Very likely that was the reason.

    But the results show that probably if they had ignored the polls and invested in him he likely would have won, considering he only needed a 15k vote swing to do it.

    In hindsight, it was the wrong decision to abandon him. I understand you have to employ resources where you think you may win and you make decisions with the information available. But in this case, too bad they didn’t go with the guy who had been given up for dead once before and survived the recall election.

    I am also not that convinced a fresh face would have done as well either. Maybe. We will never know.

  11. jason says:

    Brain dead millennials + imported Democratic voters from abroad”

    That should not necessarily be fatal. In the 60’s a whole generation was anti-war and pro-drugs and liberal, but many grew up. Imported voters might want to participate in the American Dream, not destroy it.

    I think the problem is more that the nanny state siren song is being heard by many more than millennials and immigrants.

  12. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud pumps his fist in the air and says, “Trump didn’t need California to win in 2016 so screw the state arty there.”

    Rob Pyers
    @rpyers

    Moderate, big-tent Republican drops out of the race to lead the @CAGOP, which now appears to be on track to choose failed gubernatorial candidate Travis Allen, a firebrand pro-Trump former Assemblyman, to hasten the party’s assisted suicide in California.

  13. Wes says:

    Clearly not, Jason. Polling said Walker would lose because Wisconsinites had soured on him. There’s no indication spending money on him would have helped. Voters had already made up their minds, and Republicans realized that.

    It’s like saying Mark Udall would have won in 2014 if Dems hadn’t abandoned him. He came closer than expected, but since voters had abandoned him spending more money wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

  14. jason says:

    Sorry wes, but the proof is in the results. Very likely Walker would have won with just a little more spent in the race.

    Evers 1,324,000
    Walker 1,295,000

  15. jason says:

    So Amoral Scumbag, how is the search coming?

    “Jason fraud in 2015 – If Obama ever declares a national emergency to push through one of his liberal policy items, it would be unconstitutional and he should be impeached.

    Jason fraud in 2019 – Trump declaring a national emergency to build his wall is a stroke of genius. Anyone who doesn’t support a move that Hugo Chavez would have made is a cuck.”

    So Amoral Scumbag, can you find ANY post where I make either one of these points?

    You can search for it while you are looking for Jeb Bush’s real killer, try multi-tasking.”

    I guess Amoral Scumbag has not been able to find a single post where I supported emergency powers to build a wall, or one where I supported a government shutdown to build a wall, or even one where I supported building a physical wall in the first place.

    But I commend him for using all his time to search for them rather than wasting time posting here.

    Once he finds those posts, and Jeb Bush’s real killer, I am sure he will be back to defend the honor of a fine unbiased honest non-partisan MSM professional like Mika.

  16. jason says:

    Moderate, big-tent Republican drops out of the race to lead the @CAGOP, which now appears to be on track to choose failed gubernatorial candidate Travis Allen, a firebrand pro-Trump former Assemblyman, to hasten the party’s assisted suicide in California.”

    What a shame, the “moderate, bit tent Republicans” have been doing so well in California too.

  17. jason says:

    Hey Diamond Jim, did you see the kick was tipped?

    Cody Parker has an alibi now, the Eagles did get a finger tip on that ball.

    https://twitter.com/KingZouric/status/1082094383758000128

    I bet you didn’t see that the first 48 times you watched it.

  18. Wes says:

    There’s exactly no proof of that, Jason, but since you obviously sleep better st night believing that fallacy bays con Dios, mi amigo.

  19. Wes says:

    Then of course there’s this:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj196a9sNzfAhUChOAKHdqYAa4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsonline.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Felections%2F2018%2F10%2F10%2Foutside-groups-key-gop-outspends-dems-wisconsin-governors-race%2F1575647002%2F&psig=AOvVaw14LPDD9hNws_0M_MwQYiaJ&ust=1546974834803338

    Republicans outspent Dems 2-1 in Wisconsin last year. More spending was really going to help Walker win though.

    Not a chance.

    Voters had made up their minds. Walker made a huge mistake in seeking a third term.

  20. CG says:

    Trump picking a fight with Harley Davidson as well as slapping tariffs on farm products sunk Scott Walker. It also likely sunk Trump in the state for 2020.

    It is also a very difficult time for fans of the rebuilding Green Bay Packers.

  21. Tina says:

    Looks like the obumbler used a national emergency to overthrow Khadaffi, somthat he could then arm Isis in Syria.

    Now, we have slavery in Libya,

  22. Tina says:

    There minimum tax rate is 70 percent. Depending on who the nominee is, we get Socialism (the socialist son is already excited) a la Sweden, England, or Venezuela,

  23. Cash Cow TM says:

    I saw lots of clips of that Bears FG kicker hitting the goal posts…time after time..after time.

    He is really good at nailing them.

  24. CG says:

    Cody Parkey hit the post four times in one game earlier this year, which is nearly impossible scientifically. Somehow, the Bears still won that game.

    Yesterday, he hit the post twice on the same kick, which is also nearly impossible and it cost them.

    I feel bad for Parkey, but he probably has to go. Completely un-reliable and the fear was exactly that he would cost them a playoff game. Just about every Bears fan wants the team to bring back Robbie Gould.

    As for the team itself, they took a tremendous stride from 5-11 last year and 3-13 the year before. With Coach Nagy, and Trubisky, and a great defense, they are headed in the right direction. They finished in last place in the division for four straight years before winning it this year and they are likely to win it for about four straight years now.

    So while they should have won yesterday, the Bears will have other swings at this. All sorts of championship teams have to experience the hardships of losing in the Playoffs first and use it as motivation.

    Congrats to the Eagles. However long their luck lasts, they were definitely a team to be reckoned with. The Bears could have basically lost on purpose last week and gotten to play the hapless Vikings at home which might have been a sure win, but they did the right thing and won that game, in order to play the Eagles. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out.

  25. lisab says:

    here is the video of the football game from the last thread for those who want to watch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8

  26. lisab says:

    warren screwed up already …

    she wanted to kick off her campaign at wounded knee or the little big horn, but they were booked

    soooooooooo … she went with souix city 🙂

    and then …

    lost her voice because she talked too much to “the little people” 🙂

    you could not make it up

  27. lisab says:

    “I have a piece of bad news: I have a cold,” Warren said through an audibly hoarse voice. “Too much time with little people,” she added.”

  28. Bitterlaw says:

    Codey Parkey signed a contract with the Bears that guaranteed $9 million to him. Losing sucks but I think he will be ok.

  29. Diamond Jim says:

    Hey Diamond Jim, did you see the kick was tipped?

    Nope, but the loss is still sweet.

  30. DW says:

    AOC today:

    Why 70% tax rate? That’s just a start, as we really need it to get to 95%, but you know, we want people to feel great about their government, generously allowing them to keep 30% for now.

  31. NYCmike says:

    Whoopi knows her poopi.

  32. NYCmike says:

    We need a 70% rate to save conservatism from Trump!

  33. Tina says:

    Love it.

    Drat vs drat

    Moderate drat vs socialist.

    Let the sheot show continue,

  34. Wes says:

    It’s early, granted, but I’m starting to see a groundswell of anti-Trump sentiment in my area I didn’t see when he was running the first time. Just Saturday night, Tink—who’s usually apolitical but worked on Mark Harris’ campaign last year—launched into a diatribe against him while we were driving even though I said nothing remotely political. She’s not the only one I’ve heard that from.

    When Trump first ran I saw MAGA hats everywhere and heard mostly positive things from people. Everyone but hardcore Dems in eastern NC seemed to either support him or be neutral. Now opinion I’m observing is sharply negative. Even his supporters I know are giving lethargic defenses of his presidency.

    This doesn’t bode well for Trump. It’s anecdotal, I’ll allow, but what I’m seeing on the ground is yet another reason I believe strongly Trump is a one termer. There’s little sentiment I’ve seen for holding noses and supporting Trump as DB thinks people will do.

    Granted, things can turn around, but early observations I’m making look grim. I don’t think Trump’s supporters are grasping the deep-rooted sense of antipathy toward the President in the country. I don’t expect things to improve as this kind of feeling becomes more ingrained in people.

  35. DW says:

    35 – agreed. The only way Trump wins re-election is if the Dems nominate someone absolutely bizarre who makes Trump look like the grown-up in the room.

  36. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    What was Tink’s beef?

  37. DW says:

    More AOC:

    “What’s Whoopi ever done other than inventing the gag cushion for people to sit on?”

  38. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    2m
    On Tlaib, Pelosi has wrestled with disciplining mbrs for intemperate remarks – of even the opposite party. Pelosi didn’t want to formally discipline Joe Wilson after he shouted “you lie” at Obama. Clyburn pushed for & secured an informal “resolution of disapproval” for Wilson
    3
    1
    1
    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    3m
    Dems struggling w/overexposed freshmen Dems now. Ocasio-Cortez. Tlaib. Little focus on Dem freshman moderates like CunninghamSC, GoldenME, McAdamsUT. Swing voters may think the party is too far left if they only hear about Ocasio-Cortez & Tlaib.
    6
    14
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    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    4m
    Dems privately seething about Tlaib’s comments about Trump last week. Believe that took focus off gov’t shutdown & wall fight.

    More sheot show please.

  39. Wes says:

    It’d be easier to say what she wasn’t angry about, but the shutdown was the big thing. Since it started when Republicans held the House, I really had nothing to defend him with on that.

    She has NEVER been vocally opposed to Trump before. Now I don’t think I can stop her from voting for his opponent. I hate to tell the Trump supporters, but these multiple self-inflicted wounds are taking their toll. It’s not pretty out here.

    While I still think Trump will carry NC because of the state’s lean I think it’s certainly going to be closer than in 2016. If Trump has to spend money here he’s not going to have the necessary resources for critical Midwestern states. GA and FL will be next. If Trump looks weak in these three states I don’t see a path to reelection for him.

    He needs a course correction now. He’s infuriating a ton of people who may not have been motivated against him before.

  40. NYCmike says:

    “It’d be easier to say what she wasn’t angry about, but the shutdown was the big thing.”

    -Is she affected by the shutdown?

    My friend that works for the Army Corp of Engineers looked pretty relaxed when I saw him at a New Years Day party.

  41. Tina says:

    33 US 2293

    This grants trump the authority to declare a national emergency at the border.

    The monies can then be moved around accordingly since congress gives the executive that much power,

  42. Tina says:

    Of course team uni can try to block it,

    Team uni could also impeach him for doing that,

    The Hawaii judge or 9th circus court could stop it.

  43. Wes says:

    Good for your friend. When I see people who haven’t been opposed to Trump before starting to become angry at him, I take notice. That, coupled with November’s results, doesn’t fill me with confidence in Trump’s reelection.

  44. NYCmike says:

    My friend is a liberal. His wife is a big liberal.

    I think they enjoyed the extra time off together with their kids.

    As for myself – how does one go about knowing if the government is open or shut?

    Every weekend runs pretty smoothly.

  45. Wes says:

    Congratulations. I’m sure your friend and his wife will rush out to vote for Trump after the shutdown.

  46. CG says:

    That is the great thing about unemployment or virtual unemployment-

    More time with the family!

    Trump is brazen enough to run on that and we know the people who will defend the strategy as brilliant..

  47. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    1h
    .
    @SpeakerPelosi
    has yet to disagree with
    @AOC
    ’s 70% tax rate proposal.

    Does Pelosi agree, or has she lost control of the Dem caucus?

    Either way, it’s bad news for Democrats. Americans aren’t voting for 70% taxation.

  48. lisab says:

    Why 70% tax rate?
    —————————

    because in the greatest period of usa prosperity, relative to the rest of the world, we had 70%+ tax rates on high incomes

    the dems do not get it that by the late 1970’s japan and europe had rebuilt their economies since ww2

    they also don’t get that very rich people do not make income as shown on a w2

  49. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here in the NC High Country, The Donald becomes more and more popular.
    Most people here don’t know or don’t care about the partial government shutdown. Their lives are too full of football, family and fun.
    Of course, those few who have noticed the shutdown lay 100% of the blame on the Democrats and not on Trump.
    A few anti-Trumpers with whom I hike, have recently become big Trump fans.
    Anecdotal evidence is mostly meaningless. The sole current FACT is that two months ago, NC voters voted the status quo without a loss of one Congressional seat. In neighboring States such as SC,VA and GA, the GOP was not as fortunate.

    Try DANCING as therapy!Alternately, misery loves company, so RRH and The Bulwork( the new HQ of William Krystal and other The Weekly Standard Alum) may be places for those folks to go.
    Also, you can now enjoy anti-Trumper, Mia Love, on CNN.(CNN also signed madman Luis Gutierrez as a Contributor.)

  50. NYCmike says:

    Is Mia Love speaking out against Trump?

    On which issues does she have problems with him?

  51. lisab says:

    i think the dem on dem verbal violence will be high as the year goes on

    when/if trump declares an emergency for the wall, the dems will have to go nuts on trump

    that will throw the advantage to the people like ocasio-cortez, and that will be a disaster for the party

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    Elizabeth Warren will have to edit it to 1/1024th breed but it can be a campaign song.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6E98ZRaU1s

  53. Tina says:

    Fox News pays off the mortgage of the home owned by the Singhs, the cop killed by the illegal at Christmas.

    Underreported, in addition to the illegal killer, 7 illegals were arrested in connection to the murder.

  54. lisab says:

    should warren have had the beer?

    i thought fire-water was not good for native americans

  55. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #51
    Momma Mia was just hired. She has BIG problems with Trump’s character(as many do) and refused to support him in 2016.
    Stay Tuned!

  56. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife did not vote for President in 2016. Last night she said she wished a another Republican was running for President in 2020. My wife never brings up politics. She does not like Democrats but finds Trump to be such a repulsive man that she will not vote for him in 2020 and will leave the top of the ballot blank again.

  57. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “Mutant one-eyed cow worshipped ‘as a GOD’…”

    But they are not excited about the average bovine’ multiple teets and stomachs?

    Geesh…

  58. Diamond Jim says:

    they are likely to win it for about four straight years now.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

  59. dblaikie says:

    I hate to put a stink bomb into the anti-Trump party, but I can’t help it.

    1. The Dem. are already overreaching. The 70% tax stuff is just the tip of the ice berg.
    2. Trump is going to address the nation tomorrow. I don’t know what will happen but perhaps he will declare a national emergency and explain why? If so the Dems will go nuts.
    3. China looks like it is about to cave on the trade talks. I am not a fan of trump’s trade policy by tweet, but once again I will end up underestimating his negotiations skill.
    4. It looks like the best you Trump haters have to offer is Uncle Joe. Now that is a something new! The only people who need to be afraid of Biden are the Indian people working at Dunkin Donuts.
    5. Bitter. His wife (she must be a great person to put up with Bitter) will not hold her noise and vote for Trump, but I think Bitter will even though he will hate himself for doing it. Trump will take 50% of those people any day.
    Trump could lose. But so far, unlike Wes and DW I just don’t see it. By the way both DW and Wes are posters I respect.

  60. Proud Obamacon says:

    Has the Groper in Chief declared the national emergency yet?? Plleeeeeze hurry up and declare it. Pretty pleeeze! LOL what a loooosah.

    Can’t wait for the next Democratic president to declare a national emergency to help so many millions get healthcare … with yall’s full support too! LOL

    #RESIST!

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – My wife is a saint (pretty impressive for a Jewish woman in 2019). Trump seems to go out of his way to alienate those who could support him. She voted for every Republican Presidential candidate starting in 1988.

  62. dblaikie says:

    I am glad you know the value of your good wife my friend. And I respect her decision not to vote for Trump. But please confirm or let me know that I am all wrong that you will hold your noise and vote for Trump.

    Let me put it in terms that posters on this site have to be familiar with:

    I don’t like Trump (maybe hate). But I will still vote for him over a Dem. loon. Both can be true.

  63. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – My town has very fancy voting machines. In 2016, pushing the button that said “Against Hillary” registered as a vote in Trump’s column. If there is “Against Democrat Nominee” button in 2020, I will push it.

  64. dblaikie says:

    Sounds fair to me.

  65. jason says:

    Has the Groper in Chief>”

    Bill Clinton?

  66. janz says:

    I doubt Trump will change his demeanor anytime soon. IOW, what you’ve seen and heard the last few years will continue into the 2020 election cycle. However, IMO, proper behavior is secondary to policies when it comes to my evaluation on who to vote for.

    So far, Trump has exceeded my expectations in slowing the dems attempts to grow big government, consolidating their own political power, all at the expense of diminishing the personal rights and aspirations of this country’s citizens.

    The choice is a no-brainer, regarding which avenue produces the biggest loses – the crudeness of Trump or the social engineering offered by the social progressiveness dominating the Democrat Party today.

  67. NYCmike says:

    https://lidblog.com/chuck-norris-ted-cruz/

    -Ted Cruz, once again, showing how to legislate, and SEND A MESSAGE!

    Make Nancy bring this bill to the floor after being passed by the Senate!

  68. Wes says:

    Sorry, Sheep, but there’s literally no way at all Trump is more popular in Western NC now unless the moonbats in Bunscombe suddenly start liking him. He pretty much maxed out what a Republican can expect to get west of Charlotte.

    While I specifically cited Tink because her sudden anti-Trump diatribe surprised me after years of her saying absolutely nothing about him, she’s not the only person I’ve seen suddenly become antipathetic to Trump. I’ve seen it consistently all over this side of NC.

    Now, I haven’t seen any Trump supporters switch sides, but I have talked to people who were previously on the fence and have since become disenchanted with him. This includes some contractors I had to deal with in 2016 who were anti-Obama but have now soured on Trump because the shutdown is throwing their contracts into limbo. That’s what they said personally.

    Three years ago I was so confident Trump would carry NC I goaded the redoubtable MD into a bet when he and Corey were saying this would be Hillary country. I still say Trump carries the state, but he’s definitely going to have to work harder for it than before. I gave a more positive assessment in 2016 because what I saw merited it. Now I’m certain Trump is going to have to spend money and time here he should be investing elsewhere.

    As far as the NCCD, sadly because of the shenanigans in my home CD, we don’t really know if the Dem wave made a ripple here. It’s entirely possible once the SBOE calls a special the GOP loses this seat. Don’t think Trump and Harris are incapable of having a negative effect on GOP chances here.

    Something else that’s a likely or certain negative is lack of back pay for TSA agents not paid during this shutdown. If it extends to tax time, people will be furious. That was actually the crux of Tink’s anger regarding the shutdown.

    Trump has been engaging in self-inflicted wounds lately. His lack of popularity isn’t going to abate with what he’s doing now. That puts him sharply in the danger zone for defeat.

    I’m just calling it as I see it.

  69. Wes says:

    Dblaikie is epitomizing the exact kind of unfounded optimism I’m seeing among Trump voters. No one outside Hollywood and the talking heads on Fox Business cares about China. I’m sorry, but even when I mentioned that to people their eyes glazed over.

    If people have to hold their nose to vote for the incumbent then outside hyperpartisan areas they usually don’t.

    On another note, I keep seeing hope the Dems will forget PA, MI, and WI exist again. Well, I doubt that will happen with Harley-Davidson and the MI factory closing as factors against Trump.

    I know Trump’s supporters want him re-elected and are going to make any case for that eventuality—I personally am agnostic on the issue—but I’m seeing less and less fodder for hope as things go along.

    There is time for Trump to turn it around, but quite honestly I don’t think Trump has the will to shake things up. He’s the focus now, and Americans are not indicating pleasure with his Administration. Both polls and actual election results bear this out.

    He needs to do something. Shutting down the government when Republicans still held Congress wasn’t it.

  70. Wes says:

    On a positive note, RRH actually did the unthinkable and admonished a Dem for spouting his party’s talking points on redistricting. Maybe the mods are finally getting tired of the overinundation of Dem talking points.

    One can but hope…

  71. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #71- Wes
    Now you speak for everyone!?

    “No one outside Hollywood and the talking heads on Fox Business cares about China.”

    By the way, Western NC is a lot more than Bunscombe County although you folks in the Charlotte area may be uninformed about that.

  72. dblaikie says:

    Wes, I don’t have “unfounded optimism” nor do I have unfounded negativism.

    1. Sorry but a trade deal with China is a big deal! Why? Not just the politics of it, but because it means jobs in the farm belt and rust belt. Maybe you are asking the wrong people.

    2. People like me, holding their noises is just what elected Trump or at least pushed him over the finish line. And the people I am talking about vote, and at the end of day when forced to choose between a socialist loon, and someone they don’t like personally but has decent policies they will pull the lever for Trump.

  73. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I think this is #108 on Don Surber’s Trumpenfreude List.

    https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/01/trumpenfreude-continues-at-dallas.html

  74. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #72- Wes
    One of the more obnoxious RRH moderators rises to the occasion. His post:

    “I enjoy talking about AOC just like my roundups frequently mock Republicans who behave in a similar fashion.

    Another element is she is a loud obnoxious millennial and this site is dominated by millennials.” Ryan in SEPA

    The second paragraph is TRUE and AMAZING!!!

  75. jason says:

    wes may well be right about Trump fatigue, but I don’t really understand being “agnostic” considering the radical candidates the Dems will field.

    And I think if he is right that Trump voters will still vote for him but will have less enthusiasm, that certainly will have an impact on the campaign.

    In any case, Trump will get at least one vote he didn’t get the last time around… mine.

  76. jason says:

    DB – My town has very fancy voting machines. In 2016, pushing the button that said “Against Hillary” registered as a vote in Trump’s column. If there is “Against Democrat Nominee” button in 2020, I will push it.”

    These don’t exist here in Bumf-ck, PA.

    I have instructed my state representative to introduce a bill hiking taxes in the Philly burbs to pay for it.

  77. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Here is one voter that did not vote for The Donald in 2016,but is out campaigning for him now.The reason is that her son died from a drug overdose and she wants The Wall built.
    Hope springs eternal!

    https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/01/08/embarrassed-liberal-whose-son-died-from-a-drug-overdose-has-message-for-trump-we-need-the-wall/

  78. Robbie says:

    I’m looking right at you, Jason fraud.

    Tim Miller
    @Timodc

    Gonna have trouble sleeping due to anticipatory schadenfreude over watching former TruCons defend King Trump declaring unilateral emergency power to confiscate people’s property and put a “wall” on it.

  79. Robbie says:

    Funny that generalissimo Trump and his dutiful sycophants are only talking about a wall to keep muh Mexican hordes out of the United States, but aren’t demanding the same thing for the border with Canada where an actual Al Qeada terrorist was stopped in December 1999.

    And what about the main driver of illegal immigration, Europeans overstaying their visas? Why isn’t generalissimo Trump declaring that an emergency? I know it’s not because Eurpoeans have the same skin tone as most Americans because Trump has never said or suggested a racist thing in his life.

  80. Robbie says:

    Just as predicting terrible losses for Republicans in 2018 was like shooting fish in a barrel because of Trump’s job approval rating (remember, Jason fraud said we could blame Trump if Republicans lost 40 House seats), 2020 is shaping up to be another major disaster for Republicans because Trump continues to be so unpopular.

    If Trump is on the ballot in 2020 (which I fully expect he will be), Republicans will be in danger of losing another 10-15 House seats and up to 5 Senate seats. And since Trump is a guaranteed loser with an approval rating as low as he has now, that means Democrats will control the White House, House, and Senate in 2021, but MAGA!

    Hope the wall never getting built was worth it.

  81. Tina says:

    Can Schiff for brains or Teddy Lieu tell us wtf is going on in Ed Bucks apartment?

  82. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #80- Robbie
    So Robbie quotes the twitter account of Tim Miller. Here is Mr. Miller’s short Twitter biography:

    “Political Journeyman: Jeb! etc | Hobby Horses: pay college athletes, permanent daylight savings, Reagan’s farewell address, Jokic, NevereverTrump”

    Also, Mr. Miller’s twitter buddies are all Obama Administration alumni.

    Robbie, why make it so easy for us to confirm that you are nothing more than a Democrat Troll!?

  83. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #82- Robbie
    Here you go with the Half-Truths again!

    “Just as predicting terrible losses for Republicans in 2018…”

    Didn’t the Republicans gain two(2) seats in the Senate? Why is that terrible?!

  84. Tina says:

    My buddies are actually all Hillary alumni.

    Jebot

  85. Tina says:

    Just do the national emergency and take the 20-25 billion,

    Tell the courts and piglosi t to phuq off.

  86. Waingro says:

    ” And since Trump is a guaranteed loser with an approval rating as low as he has now, that means Democrats will control the White House, House, and Senate in 2021, but MAGA!”

    I still feel pretty good about keeping the Senate in 2020. If Trump plummets down to mid to upper 30% approval levels, then I’ll be worried.

  87. lisab says:

    Funny that generalissimo Trump and his dutiful sycophants are only talking about a wall to keep muh Mexican hordes out of the United States, but aren’t demanding the same thing for the border with Canada
    ————————————

    as someone who has lived in the north most of my life,

    canadians swarming over the border is a REAL problem.

    why just yesterday i was in a store and could not reach a bottle of gingerale on the top shelf … and this canadian came over and got it for me!

    and then, he asked if he could help me find anything else!!!

    and when i was getting gasoline, this other canadian pumped my gas for me because “it was too cold outside!!!”

    damn canadians and their polite ways

  88. lisab says:

    and then there is the large scale importation of canadian beer and whiskey …

    you can get 1.5 liters of canadian whiskey on the street for just $15

    and i have heard that in the darkest corners of minneapolis, they are selling …

    poutine …

    we need a northern wall now!

  89. NYCmike says:

    “And what about the main driver of illegal immigration, Europeans overstaying their visas? Why isn’t generalissimo Trump declaring that an emergency? I know it’s not because Eurpoeans have the same skin tone as most Americans because Trump has never said or suggested a racist thing in his life.”

    -Pogo Loco is calling……..

  90. NYCmike says:

    https://www.atr.org/dems-eye-33-corporate-rate-hike

    -#NeverTrumpers somehow keep missing these articles…..

  91. CG says:

    Can you not address his point substantively?

  92. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DBloom451/status/1082627035997106181

    Here are the drat talking points from Acosta.

    Acosta claimed no caravan, but so did shepardly smith,

    Acosta then suggested that they were “actors.”

  93. janz says:

    #77. I give you a lot of credit for making such a definitive declaration, especially in the midst of so much TDS that is so popular these days.

  94. Tina says:

    Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA): It’s “fantastic” Ocasio-Cortez proposed 70% tax rate

    The drat nominee will now have to go higher than 70 percent tax rate.

  95. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1082711381638610945/photo/1

    A list of the 31 National Emergencies declared since Carter.

  96. Tina says:

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    Is he supposed to be an objective reporter, or does he work for the dnc?

    Also, notice how he ignores how unprecedented it is for the opposition party to get a response.

    This is not the SOTU.

  97. Tina says:

    Sorry. Last post was supposed to only from Acosta,

  98. Barrett says:

    Acosta is in there to support his own profile. He aggravates the press secretary, and builds himself a national profile with the help of CNN and MSNBC.

    I imagine there are plenty of objective journalists out there. He is not one of them.

  99. Tina says:

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    There is nothing the fake news media or Nunchucks (the Botoxic/SpewMore combo) can do to counter this . . .

  100. CG says:

    I think Trump and his team have done a ton to build up Mr. Acosta’s profile and for that he is very grateful.

  101. Tina says:

    COS Mulvaney appears to be doing a great job.

    I found Mouth rinse, the Rnc groupie, to be unacceptable.

    Kelly was an upgrade, he just could,not communicate well.

    Mulvaney is a bad arse.

  102. CG says:

    I like how they try to excuse away Trump brazenly lying by claiming his predecessors as President told him they should have built “the wall.”

    Every single one of them has denied any substantive communication with Trump since he became President and have said they do not support that policy.

    Who exactly was Trump talking to? Mulvaney and others said it was an inner voice. Perhaps the White House portrait of Andrew Jackson is talking to Mr. Trump.

  103. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “The base is all that matters. Winning isn’t an important part of Trumpism. Glorification of Trump and his courageousness is. For instance, only Trump had the courage to screw a porn star regardless of the STD’s she may carry. Jeb never had the guts to do that.”

    Noah Rothman
    @NoahCRothman

    The “base” is 40 percent. You just lost the House in the biggest wave since 74 and the “base” showed up. The “base” isn’t enough, and the Wall doesn’t jazz anyone but the Trump hardliners. it’s gonna cost you everything you won from 2010-2016 if you don’t wake up.

  104. CG says:

    Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh proclaimed that Donald Trump singlehandedly saved the NFL.

    That is despite all the Trump devotees who pledged to boycott the NFL this year. I don’t recall the boycott being called off..

    Under this logic, did Rosa Parks save the Montgomery Bus system?

  105. Robbie says:

    Sadly, Trump must be looking at a picture version of the despot’s playbook. (I doubt he’d actually bother to read it)

    – Claim something is a crisis when it’s not
    – Demand special powers to confront the fake crisis
    – Retain those special powers and never give them back

    Too bad all of the “real conservatives” who yapped like poodles warning of Obama’s dictatorial instincts have suddenly found their inner authoritarian streak in order to support Dear leader Trump.

    When the next Democrat president follows Trump’s lead and issues emergency decrees to enact liberal agenda items starting in 2021, I don’t want hear the usual suspects cry like babies over it after they spent the Trump years rah-rahing everything he’s done.

  106. Barrett says:

    #109 – Robbie that’s a bit harsh, and actually not correct.

    Trump wants a wall. I would actually wager that a higher percentage than those in his base want better security at the border.

    And to boot, he is going to address the nation and make his case – which to me is a presidential thing to do. I recall you whining about him not acting presidential enough on more than one occasion.

    I’m willing to listen to his case. If he states the facts and shows me how it can be done, then I would be very supportive. If he goes off on how he thinks all Mexicans are criminals and offers nothing of substance, I will not be supportive.

    My feeling is that he really wants to make the case here, and “more than 40%” are willing to listen. I think he’ll do well.

  107. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:38 pm
    Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh proclaimed that Donald Trump singlehandedly saved the NFL.
    That is despite all the Trump devotees who pledged to boycott the NFL this year. I don’t recall the boycott being called off..
    Under this logic, did Rosa Parks save the Montgomery Bus system?

    – Rasheed Limbaugh, the ayatollah of talk radio, knows he’s listeners are slack jawed morons so he can repeatedly lie to them without any consequences.

  108. CG says:

    Trump doesn’t want “a wall.”

    Trump wants the talking point and political issue of “a wall.”

    Big difference.

  109. CG says:

    Increased border security is one thing but polls (and recent election results) show strong opposition to “The Wall.”

  110. NYCmike says:

    Is #94 speaking about the Europeans overstaying visas?

    If so, I am all for an amnesty period of, say, 6 months, and at that time, whoever hasn’t renewed the visa or left should have the full force of the federal government be brought down upon them.

  111. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    #109 – Robbie that’s a bit harsh, and actually not correct.
    Trump wants a wall. I would actually wager that a higher percentage than those in his base want better security at the border.
    And to boot, he is going to address the nation and make his case – which to me is a presidential thing to do. I recall you whining about him not acting presidential enough on more than one occasion.
    I’m willing to listen to his case. If he states the facts and shows me how it can be done, then I would be very supportive. If he goes off on how he thinks all Mexicans are criminals and offers nothing of substance, I will not be supportive.
    My feeling is that he really wants to make the case here, and “more than 40%” are willing to listen. I think he’ll do well.

    – Trump has declared “the wall” to be border security. Without “the wall”, we will be overrun by brown skinned hordes. That’s the message he’s selling.

    Unfortunately, all of the polling shows the public does not support “the wall”. The last NBC/WSJ poll showed in December that just 37% supported “the wall” while 56% opposed “the wall”.

    Trump addressing the nation from the Oval Office isn’t going to change those numbers because Trump has made the issue too polarizing. And if he declares an emergency and tries to divert already appropriated funds from the Pentagon to build his wall, he’ll be breaking the law.

    As for looking presidential, that ship sailed a long, long time ago. One speech where he doesn’t look like he just got out of the insane asylum isn’t going to make a difference, especially when he’s back to rage tweeting six hours later because the press didn’t praise his speech enough.

  112. Barrett says:

    Quinnipiac University Poll. Dec. 12-17
    Border Wall Construction:
    Support: 43%
    Oppose: 54%
    Not Sure: 3%

    That’s not strong opposition.

  113. CG says:

    116. Which locale contributes to more illegal immigration?

    A. U.S. airports
    B. the border with Mexico

  114. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:45 pm
    Trump doesn’t want “a wall.”
    Trump wants the talking point and political issue of “a wall.”
    Big difference.

    – Exactly. Even Trump doesn’t believe in the wall, but he knows his rube base does. Sam Nunberg said this past weekend “the wall” was just a device his campaign used to keep Trump focused.

  115. CG says:

    It’s a good thing Trump asked for time tonight and not tomorrow night because if he dared to interrupt the next episode of “The Masked Singer” on Fox, it would be game over.

  116. CG says:

    I would definite a 43-54 split as “strong opposition.”

    As divided as we are, getting a majority of Americans to agree on anything is significant.

    Your meter may vary.

  117. Barrett says:

    Robbie says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    ‘As for looking presidential, that ship sailed a long, long time ago. One speech where he doesn’t look like he just got out of the insane asylum isn’t going to make a difference, especially when he’s back to rage tweeting six hours later because the press didn’t praise his speech enough.”

    So if at any point here starts acting “Presidential” by your standard, you would not welcome it?

    And then your comment about “Brown-skinned hordes.” – CNN loves people like you

  118. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:51 pm
    Quinnipiac University Poll. Dec. 12-17
    Border Wall Construction:
    Support: 43%
    Oppose: 54%
    Not Sure: 3%
    That’s not strong opposition.

    – If Trump were to lose in 2020 54-43, that would be viewed as a massive defeat and a major rebuke.

    And note the 43%. It matched just about where Trump’s job approval rating has been for two years.

    The wall is an issue that stimulates the FoxNews viewers, the talk radio listeners, and Trump’s base, but it has never been supported by anyone outside that group according to polling.

  119. CG says:

    I am sure he will be sufficient in reading off the teleprompter tonight, but 75% of the speech is going to be nothing but blaming Democrats for the shut-down. That is just weeks after saying he would never blame them and would be proud to own all the responsibility himself.

    He isn’t looking to speak to the country. He is looking to shore up a worried base.

    If someone likes to hear Democrats get bashed, they probably will applaud.

  120. Barrett says:

    CG, that’s a fair point in #122. The reason I consider a 43-54 split not to be strong opposition, is because I think that’s a close enough gap to close.

    I know it might seem like there’s no method to Trump’s madness (and often times that is correct). But tonight I think closing that gap is Trump’s goal.

    Having said that, I’m about as moderate as they get when it comes to Republicans. I could think of better and cheaper ways to make sufficient border security happen. So he does have some convincing to do.

  121. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm
    Robbie says:
    January 8, 2019 at 2:51 pm
    ‘As for looking presidential, that ship sailed a long, long time ago. One speech where he doesn’t look like he just got out of the insane asylum isn’t going to make a difference, especially when he’s back to rage tweeting six hours later because the press didn’t praise his speech enough.”
    So if at any point here starts acting “Presidential” by your standard, you would not welcome it?
    And then your comment about “Brown-skinned hordes.” – CNN loves people like you

    – Welcome it? Sure. It’s not going to happen, though. How often did we hear in early 2016 Trump was going to pivot to “presidential”? A lot, but it never happened.

    Sure, Trump gave a few set-piece speeches where he didn’t drool all over himself or rant about some various topic during the campaign, but that was never the real Trump. The real Trump is “Twitter Trump”, “rally Trump”, and “press conference” Trump.

    The public knows who Trump is and a speech from the Oval Office isn’t going to change that. Now if Trump spends the next 22 months acting “presidential”, then ok. He’s not going to do that, though.

  122. NYCmike says:

    “Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh proclaimed that Donald Trump singlehandedly saved the NFL.”

    -Copy and paste? Prove what you are saying?

    Or is that too much to ask of a “conservative Republican”?

  123. CG says:

    I would bet money that he will speak tonight of the recent tragic murder of the police officer in California.

    When a police officer is killed by American citizens, which is how it typically happens, he doesn’t go out of his way to talk about it or even mention it.

    It will be an attempt to try to show that any illegal immigrant is a potential cop-killer.

    He also will overlook the fact that his own restrictive immigration proposals would have prevented the officer from coming to the U.S. to begin with.

  124. Barrett says:

    #124 – If Trump delivers a convincing message tonight, I’ll be one of the wall supporters. And I’m not part of that 43%

    Also, comparing one issue to an actual presidential elections is apples and oranges at best.

    Like I said before, a 12 point gap is a closeable gap. I welcome seeing Trump act presidential, it will be a nice contrast

  125. lisab says:

    The majority of illegal immigrants are Mexicans (52% in 2014), though those numbers have been declining in recent years; others come from Asia, Central America, and sub-Saharan Africa.[4] In 2005, according to a Pew Hispanic Center report, there were about 6,840,000 illegal immigrants from Mexico making 56% of immigrants present in the United States illegally. 24% were from other Latin American countries; 9% were from Asia, 6% from Europe and Canada, and the remaining 4% from the rest of the world.[16] In 2014, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that the illegal immigrant population from Mexico had reduced to 5.6 million or 49% of the illegal immigrant population

  126. NYCmike says:

    #119 – If it is US airports, not sure why that would matter.

    It is clear that border security, either in the form of a wall, a fence, a boundary, drones, cameras, and TSA personnel at airports are failing miserable.

    ALL facets should be re-thought.

    Since we have not had a substantial wall on the southern border before in our history, let’s try it and see if it makes a difference.

    If you have any ideas to improve the airports, I am all ears.

  127. Barrett says:

    If Trump thinks that $5 billion is enough for a wall, then I definitely agree with Mike in #133.

    When was the last time our country actually solved anything? Today, Russian’s send U.S. Astronauts to the moon. Our budget deficit is a joke, and our congress punts most of their responsibilities. Can we please fix one thing, or at least try?

  128. CG says:

    Most illegal immigrants are not crossing the southern border. That is what Trump seems to be solely focused on though, for political reasons.

    There are about 12034 things that can be done to combat illegal immigration that would be more effective and most cost-productive than “The Wall”, but only “Build the Wall” works well as a bumper-sticker slogan.

  129. CG says:

    Whenever I hear Trump supporters say things like, “We have never done such and such before so let’s try it and see if it works”, I cannot help but realize that is basically the epitome of the liberal philosophy.

    No evidence? Doesn’t matter. If you feel like it might work, let’s give it a shot. Figure out if it did or not after.

    Complete. 100 percent. liberalism.

  130. Barrett says:

    CG, for what it’s worth, a motion sensor grid at a fraction of the cost would be more sensible to me, but then again I’m a moderate conservative, which makes me a RINO.

    Maybe all the kids who play Fortnite can come up with creative ways to set up traps within the walls.

  131. NYCmike says:

    “cg”,

    Great work.

    Now, which part do you disagree with?

    Have the NFL protests just about disappeared?

    Did Trump “save” the NFL?

    Have you ever known Limbaugh to engage in hyperbole before?

    Stop taking everything so seriously. Life is too short.

  132. Tina says:

    The drats appear to be phuqed if he does a national emergency,

    The Supreme Court has struck down legislative vetoes of such emergencies in 1983.

  133. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:03 pm
    Since we have not had a substantial wall on the southern border before in our history, let’s try it and see if it makes a difference.
    If you have any ideas to improve the airports, I am all ears.

    – NYCmike (aka Mr. Tea Party) is so devoted to cutting government spending he’s willing to shut the government down to force it to spend more money.

    The Tea Party and its adherents really are the gift that keeps on giving.

  134. CG says:

    There’s all sorts of things that can be done with motion sensors, drones, etc.

    But Trump’s base was promised a physical wall (that Mexico was going to pay for) along the *entire* southern border and every time somebody in the media questioned it, “the wall just got 10 feet higher.”

  135. Barrett says:

    CG, I’d tweak that Liberal Philosophy to say the following:

    “We know this is probably NOT going to work, but we need to maintain the status quo, so lets waste money anyways.”

  136. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:06 pm
    If Trump thinks that $5 billion is enough for a wall, then I definitely agree with Mike in #133.

    – That’s just it. Five billion is not enough for the wall and Trump’s own numbers say so. Last year, he said the wall would cost $25 billion and has said the $5 billion he wants now is just a down payment on part of the wall he wants to build.

  137. NYCmike says:

    “That is what Trump seems to be solely focused on though, for political reasons.”

    -Imagine a politician acting for political reasons……..and, on top of that……FULFILLING a campaign promise!

    Oh, the temerity of this man!

  138. Tina says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Naturalization_Service_v._Chadha

    This is the sc decision stating that congress could not veto a national emergency,

  139. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike (aka Mr. Tea Party) is so devoted to cutting government spending he’s willing to shut the government down to force it to spend more money.”

    -Oddly enough, the Constitution calls for the federal government to defend the borders of our country.

    RADICAL CONCEPT!

  140. CG says:

    NFL anthem protests have gotten less attention (as they should) but have not gone away. They have occurred this season as well.

    Trump has nothing to do with it. I just know that all sorts of people (and we heard them on here) said that they would boycott the NFL this season in solidarity with Trump.

    But instead tv ratings are way up, attendance is up, merchandise is up, etc.

    I think the reasons have nothing to do with Trump. There just might have been better games on tv (especially on Thursday nights) as compared to last year and increased fan attention and excitement in large markets like Chicago for instance.

  141. Barrett says:

    Robbie, that’s BS. Leaders in our country are afraid to try anything for fear of political repricussions, so nothing changes.

    Obama won the crowd over with “change.” He just made the wrong changes.

  142. CG says:

    144.It’s a campaign promise he has no intention of fulfilling. He just wants the issue to run on.

    You have made it very clear that you are fine with being lied to and fine with being looked at as a sucker.

    That is but one way we are different people.

  143. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:10 pm
    The drats appear to be phuqed if he does a national emergency,
    The Supreme Court has struck down legislative vetoes of such emergencies in 1983.

    – Bless your heart. Still stupid in 2019 I see.

    Declaring an emergency is not illegal. Declaring he can re-appropriate funds that Congress appropriated for another task is and that’s what the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Steel.

    This is what happens when you get your news from Gateway Pundit, Charlie Kirk, and Jack Posobiec. You look stupid.

  144. NYCmike says:

    “No evidence? Doesn’t matter. If you feel like it might work, let’s give it a shot. Figure out if it did or not after.”

    -No evidence?

    Hmmmmm……making foreigners enter thru specific areas designated by the country being entered into doesn’t work?

  145. CG says:

    “Change” for change’s sake is the epitome of liberalism and also coincidentally is the number one defense used by supporters of Donald Trump.

  146. NYCmike says:

    “That is but one way we are different people.”

    -You are correct….”Read my lips!”

  147. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:13 pm
    “– NYCmike (aka Mr. Tea Party) is so devoted to cutting government spending he’s willing to shut the government down to force it to spend more money.”
    -Oddly enough, the Constitution calls for the federal government to defend the borders of our country.
    RADICAL CONCEPT!

    – Watching you and the rest of your Tea Party brethren twist yourselves into pretzels had been enjoyable.

  148. NYCmike says:

    ““Change” for change’s sake”

    -In “CG”‘s world:

    Doing something wrong over and over = sanity.

    Got it!

  149. CG says:

    We have already established that a physical wall, which was promised as concrete, and tall, along the entire southern border would do nothing to prevent the larger instances of illegal immigration in airports, etc.

    Simply put, it would be a huge waste of money.

    Liberals will throw money at anything out of intention and will see if it works afterwards, and in their view, any government spending always works and always needs to be increased.

  150. CG says:

    Doing something that might be wrong without knowing what might happen is just as bad as “doing the same wrong thing.”

    In fact, since the results are unknown and might be worse, it is the worse option.

    Trumpism= liberalism

  151. Barrett says:

    Robbie has his facts mixed up. He’s probably thinking of “impoundment” which is the act of a President choosing NOT to use congressionally appropriated funds. That was struck down.

    Here you go – straight from Cornell Law School
    33 US 2293
    “In the event of a declaration of war or a declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act [50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.] that requires or may require use of the Armed Forces, the Secretary, without regard to any other provision of law, may (1) terminate or defer the construction, operation, maintenance, or repair of any Department of the Army civil works project that he deems not essential to the national defense, and (2) apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense.”

    The President has the authority to instruct the department of the army to build a wall using funds already available to said institution.

  152. Tina says:

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    2/ For example, the President could reallocate funds already appropriated to build border “fences”–barriers that have been authorized by statute, but not yet built.

    Jebots be phuqed.

  153. CG says:

    The “national emergency” thing is just not going to fly. If it was Obama proposing this, people would be calling for him to be immediately jailed.

    Illegal immigration from Mexico is down. How is this a “national emergency” now?

    It’s a Trump political emergency visa vis Ann Coulter and others in his base above all else.

  154. Barrett says:

    What Tina said in #159 is a perfect summary of US 2293.

    But I guess the rules don’t apply because Robbie doesn’t like Trump, and never wants him to act presidential in any way ever.

  155. NYCmike says:

    “In fact, since the results are unknown and might be worse, it is the worse option.”

    🙂

  156. Tina says:

    Also, the secure fence act of 2006 requires fencing or build physical infrastructure barriers.

    Maybe, Bush was good for something after all, other than blowing money in Iraq.

  157. Tina says:

    Congress also may have forgotten that they authorized the military to build fencing all along any drug corridors.

    This is the entire border pretty much given the fact that the Mexican gubment is corrupt and sold out to the cartels.

  158. Barrett says:

    It doesn’t matter at this point what we think the president should/should not be able to do. The executive branch has overreaching power that goes way beyond my definition of acceptability.

    It only matters what he CAN do. I am of the opinion that he can declare a national emergency with minimum legal repricussions. Lawsuits might follow, but he could still do it.

  159. NYCmike says:

    “The “national emergency” thing is just not going to fly. If it was Obama proposing this, people would be calling for him to be immediately jailed.”

    -Let’s see:

    Trump calls a national emergency because we have too many illegal immigrants, and thousands more are threatening to come in illegally, and switches $$ from foreign military aid expenditures.

    Obama calls a national emergency because not enough research $$ has been devoted to finding “green” energy sources, and diverts $$ from building nuclear reactors.

    “CG” thinks these situations are comparable.

  160. Tina says:

    For more details, check out Charlie savage of The NY Times,

    It is not the presidents fault that congress outsourced its responsibility to the president,

  161. Tina says:

    Obama also used a national emergency to kick Colonel Khadaffi Duck out of Libya.

    Now, there is slavery in Libya,

  162. Barrett says:

    But to be fair to CG – is this REALLY a national emergency? Probably not – at least not like 9/11, Katrina, or anything similar.

  163. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:21 pm
    Robbie has his facts mixed up. He’s probably thinking of “impoundment” which is the act of a President choosing NOT to use congressionally appropriated funds. That was struck down.
    Here you go – straight from Cornell Law School
    33 US 2293
    “In the event of a declaration of war or a declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act [50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.] that requires or may require use of the Armed Forces, the Secretary, without regard to any other provision of law, may (1) terminate or defer the construction, operation, maintenance, or repair of any Department of the Army civil works project that he deems not essential to the national defense, and (2) apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction, operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense.”
    The President has the authority to instruct the department of the army to build a wall using funds already available to said institution.

    – I’ve not seen a respected legal analyst suggest Trump has the legal authority to use the military to build a wall with money the Congress has appropriated for other projects.

    If all a president has to do is declare an emergency, then what’s to stop a future president from declaring a healthcare emergency to force universal care on the country?

  164. NYCmike says:

    I posted a link the other day about all of the “emergency” orders which are still in effect, some of them dating back decades, and which Congress is supposed to review every 6 months…….yet NOTHING from these “very worried” “conservative Republicans” “CG” and Robbie.

  165. Barrett says:

    And Tina hits the nail on the head too. Ben Sasse made the comment during the Kavanaugh hearings that congress likes to punt its responsibilities.

    It is not our fault that the President has overreaching authority.

  166. CG says:

    Rhetoric aside, I do not believe he has any intention of declaring a “national emergency.”

    His people know the courts would immediately strike it down. It would also be used in any impeachment proceeding.

    There is no foreign power or military looking to enter the U.S. by force constituting any “emergency.”

    This is a political fight about immigration in which both parties are playing to their base.

    When we start giving whomever extraordinary powers to fight a political battle, our democracy has a major problem.

  167. NYCmike says:

    “If all a president has to do is declare an emergency, then what’s to stop a future president from declaring a healthcare emergency to force universal care on the country?”

    -First, let’s totally ignore specific duties outlined in the Constitution in regard to defending our borders.

    Second, if some sort of superbug weapon is/was released by some unknown entity in the future, which is quite possible, a President would end up with pretty incredible powers…..similar to the ability to eavesdrop on every American citizen.

  168. Phil says:

    So for the record, Democrats are opposed to a wall because

    A). A wall is “immoral”

    B). It is not effective

    Just so I can keep their current story straight, which is it?

  169. Barrett says:

    #170 – Now you are addressing an entirely different problem. Healthcare does not require the Army core of Engineers. A wall does.

    Healthcare does not require a civil works project by the armed forces. A wall does.

    It would be a harder sell on healthcare, because the terminology used in US 2293 doesn’t really relate to healthcare. Unless we are talking about building more hospitals or free clinics.

  170. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:27 pm
    It doesn’t matter at this point what we think the president should/should not be able to do. The executive branch has overreaching power that goes way beyond my definition of acceptability.
    It only matters what he CAN do. I am of the opinion that he can declare a national emergency with minimum legal repricussions. Lawsuits might follow, but he could still do it.

    – Well if that’s your view, no complaining in 2021 when President Kamala Harris is declaring all sorts of emergencies to get what she wants.

    We as conservatives either stand up to this nonsense now as a way to prevent it from happening in the future, or we look the other way since it’s a supposed Republican doing it and prepare ourselves for future consequences.

  171. NYCmike says:

    “This is a political fight about immigration in which both parties are playing to their base.”

    -And you would rather the Democratic Party win and keep our de facto open borders approach to immigration?

  172. CG says:

    A President is Commander in Chief and has nearly full leeway in regards to ordering the military to fight abroad.

    He cannot order the military to do public works projects at home that he cannot get done through constitutional means.

    Obama certainly overreached on many matters. When though did he ever propose using the military at home to accomplish his domestic agenda?

  173. NYCmike says:

    “– Well if that’s your view, no complaining in 2021 when President Kamala Harris is declaring all sorts of emergencies to get what she wants.”

    -Again, ALL SORTS OF EMERGENCIES…..as opposed to a power clearly outlined in the Constitution for the federal government to handle.

  174. Phil says:

    I thought Kamala was fine by Robbie simply by virtue of rhe fact that she wasn’t Trump.

  175. NYCmike says:

    “When though did he ever propose using the military at home to accomplish his domestic agenda?”

    -“Domestic agenda”?

    How about the hijackers who came in from Canada?

  176. Barrett says:

    #177 – As I stated before, the president’s power is overreaching, because congress didn’t feel like doing it’s job for the last 70 or so years.

    And that’s somehow my fault? I support limited government, but last I checked I don’t make the rules.

    And no, Kamala Harris isn’t going to be the nominee. Even if California moves up it’s primary date.

  177. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:33 pm
    “If all a president has to do is declare an emergency, then what’s to stop a future president from declaring a healthcare emergency to force universal care on the country?”
    -First, let’s totally ignore specific duties outlined in the Constitution in regard to defending our borders.

    -Yeah, because Trump is totally concerned with the Constitution.

    But since we’re talking about the Constitution, let’s talk about the part that says Congress appropriates the funds, not the president to satisfy his dumb base.

  178. CG says:

    I would rather sanity prevail.

    Trump’s immigration policies are not sane. Democrats do not have the power to declare “open borders.”

    But if Trump gets his way, as you want, they certainly will one day.

    You will overlook that.

    If the precedent of “national emergency” is made (and I said I do not think it will) the next Democrat President in 2021 simply issues mass amnesty and immediate citizenship and voting rights to everyone here illegally.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  179. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:33 pm
    So for the record, Democrats are opposed to a wall because
    A). A wall is “immoral”
    B). It is not effective
    Just so I can keep their current story straight, which is it?

    – It’s both and it’s a view that far more people in the country believe than disbelieve.

  180. CG says:

    Since illegal immigration from the southern border is decreasing, how is the case made that a sudden emergency has risen up?

    There is simply zero ground to defend this “proposal” from a conservative or Constitutional standard.

  181. Tina says:

    Too bad, the military can build sections of the wall or fence.

    The congress has authorized them with two specific bills, one being thensecured fence act of 2006 signed by Mute 43.

    He may have not known what he signed because he was for open borders, but the drats ironically pushed him to the right,

    May be the single best bill that he signed in his failed Presidency.

  182. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:37 pm
    I thought Kamala was fine by Robbie simply by virtue of rhe fact that she wasn’t Trump.

    – My favorite version of Phil is the Phil who believes I’m somehow a liberal because I find Trump repulsive and a terrible president.

    Had Jeb won, I imagine Phil would have spent plenty of time complaining about him. However, I wouldn’t have suggested that meant Phil was a liberal.

  183. CG says:

    I cannot follow the weird and disjoined reference between Obama and Canadian hijackers and what that has to do with anything here.

    If you are talking about the 9/11 hijackers, you simply make the point about how VISA overstays and the Northern Border are a bigger problem than the Southern Border.

  184. Tina says:

    So,

    The wall is immoral

    Trump cannot do a national emergency.

    These were mentioned in the last few days,

    Notice how the goal posts keep moving,

  185. CG says:

    183. So, if Congress impeaches him, you will say you are fine with that since they are simply exerting their authority and doing their job.

  186. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:35 pm
    “This is a political fight about immigration in which both parties are playing to their base.”
    -And you would rather the Democratic Party win and keep our de facto open borders approach to immigration?

    – Ah, one of my favorite arguments in the era of Trump. The policy is a side issue. What really matters is making sure the Democrats lose.

  187. Barrett says:

    CG, if Congress impeaches the president, that’s their decision, not mine. Nobody who I voted for this election cycle won.

    Me having no power to change things, and me being ok with the outcome are two very different things.

  188. Tina says:

    The Hill
    ?
    @thehill
    Top Dem: Trump admin doesn’t have the legal authority to distribute tax refunds during government shutdown http://hill.cm/tooFBcQ

    83
    8:58 AM – Jan 8, 2019

    Drats are continuing to implode. This is just too perfect,

  189. CG says:

    The Constitution and rule of law should always come before any political fight between Democrats and Republicans, regardless of where you may side in that fight. The fight should be secondary.

    If Trump wants a wall, let him get the money for it from Congress. He had two years of complete Republican control and could not. He’s certainly not going to get it now. So, cut a deal and figure out how to survive Ann Coulter’s angry Tweets about it.

    Why will Congress not authorize money for “The Wall”, be they a Democrat or Republican Congress?

    Because as we have seen, the majority of the American people are firmly opposed.

  190. Phil says:

    To believe that Democrats are against a wall because it doesn’t work well enough would be to assume Democrats actually want the border secured in the first place. You can’t be that naive, Robbie.

  191. CG says:

    Barrett, you voted for Hogan and he won.

    Literally nobody I voted for last November won.

  192. Robbie says:

    No one said declaring an emergency was illegal, Tinfoil. What would be illegal is Trump using a fake emergency to then reappropriate funds to build his stupid wall.

    It will never pass muster. Congress appropriates the funds, not the president. If Trump wants to be an appropriator, he can resign and run for Congress.

  193. Tina says:

    Drats will now sue to stop tax refunds,

    Lol.

  194. lisab says:

    a motion sensor grid at a fraction of the cost would be more sensible to me
    ————————

    first it would have to be replaced every few years, sensors don’t do well in dusty conditions

    second, they can be turned off or ignored, and they would be

    let’s say 1000 miles of non-easily scaled wall are built, just for ease of calculation, and even assume 10% of the wall eventually has a hole in it, you still have 900 miles less border to defend

    and yes, there will still be a few men who could scale a 30 foot wall fast enough to escape detection, but what percent of men could do that?

  195. CG says:

    Taking the assumption at face value that Democrats do not want to secure the border still does not mean it is right or smart or legal for Donald Trump to do anything he wishes.

  196. Tina says:

    Sensors do not work because once alerted, absent man power to be there to respond ASAP, the illegals are gone.

  197. lisab says:

    most importantly,

    although more people overstay their visas coming through an airport than come over the border, most do not stay as illegal immigrants

    and

    they at least have to present a passport and probably a visa.

    that is, they had to go through the visa process

  198. CG says:

    Trump and his allies are severely mixing their political messages by claiming both that Democrats do not wish to secure the border at all and then producing all sorts of quotes and proposals from Democrats in the past in favor of increased border security.

    Which one is it?

  199. lisab says:

    the dems waste money by the truckload. they gave iran stacks of cash … LITERALLY stacks of cash …

    so if they thought the wall was just a waste of money they would not care at all.

  200. Barrett says:

    #201 has too many assumptions. There are a couple of really good reads on motion sensor technology. I’ll see if I can find them for you.

    And CG – fair point on Hogan.

  201. Tina says:

    The funny thing with the drats is that they increased foreign aid by $12 billion and cannot do a $ 5 billion border wall?

  202. Tina says:

    Not to mention the $$$ given to the mullahs in the pallet for cash fraud,

  203. CG says:

    Post # 162 was the sound of NYC conceding my point and then going off to play Candy Crush or something.

  204. lisab says:

    Drats will now sue to stop tax refunds,

    ———————

    that would be epic …

  205. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 8, 2019 at 3:46 pm
    To believe that Democrats are against a wall because it doesn’t work well enough would be to assume Democrats actually want the border secured in the first place. You can’t be that naive, Robbie.

    – I don’t know how serious Democrats are about border security, but I know plenty of sensible Republicans believe the wall is the wrong option and the discussion should be focused on more border patrol agents, more sensors, and more drones.

    But since you’re a big advocate of the wall, tell me this. Does that mean you’re now a big fan of eminent domain? I remember in 2005 when conservatives rightly ridiculed Kelo because it made it easier for the government to take private property. Is eminent domain now a cornerstone of conservatism?

    And as for being naïve, I thought would be more appropriately applied to those who believed a silent coup was taking place in 2017.

  206. lisab says:

    Barrett,

    not really …

    when you can get my printer to connect to my laptop 100% of the time …

    then you might have something …

    but they cannot even keep rainfall sensors online in airports for more than a few years.

  207. Tina says:

    Well, it’s obvious that the drats love their illegals, their drugs, and human trafficking,

  208. Tina says:

    Saagar Enjeti
    ?
    @esaagar
    WHITE HOUSE puts out immigration demands from Democrats again: Including 5.7 billion for steel barrier and 800 million for humanitarian aid

    184
    9:34 AM – Jan 8, 2019

    It totals over $12 billion.

  209. Tina says:

    Joe Manchin wants a barrier.

    Breaks with the Schumah

  210. lisab says:

    how can a wall be immoral?

    because it keeps out illegal aliens?

    that is the dem argument?

    so they want illegal immigrants, qed.

  211. lisab says:

    the problem with a wall …

    as i have pointed out all along …

    is not that it won’t work, it will, as the border agents consistently say

    and not that it will be expensive, it will save us a lot of money in welfare …

    the problem with a wall is that it is a HUGE FU to mexico

  212. lisab says:

    the problem with a wall is that it is a HUGE FU to mexico
    ————–

    but that is NOT why the dems don’t want the wall

    they don’t want it because it will be a trump victory

  213. CG says:

    Why don’t the American people want “The Wall?”

    Too many Democrats?
    Fake polls?

    which one is it?

  214. lisab says:

    which sets up the problem …

    trump has to build the wall or he loses in 2020 … he should not even bother to run if he does not build the wall

    otoh, the dems will have to do something if he declares an emergency to build the wall … i am not sure what their options are, but it will have to be something big …

    impeachment? i think that will be a certainty.

    indictments against trump’s children and sil? i can see that

    protests in front of the bulldozers? maybe …

    i expect an epic meltdown

  215. Waingro says:

    Yes, Trump has authority to declare national emergency for border wall
    By Jonathan Turley, opinion contributor — 01/08/19 12:00 PM EST

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/424314-yes-trump-has-authority-to-declare-national-emergency-for-border-wall

  216. CG says:

    Trump does not and has never had any intention of building “The Wall.”

    He uses it as a political issue. He knows he can say something like, “folks, I myself am the Wall” and NYC and jason will vigorously nod and give thumbs up to their televisions.

    Ann Coulter however actually believes in “The Wall” and will not be happy.

  217. CG says:

    Wouldn’t one agree that Jonathan Turley is among those taking an expansive view of government and executive power because he intends to see it used to suit other means more to his liking when the other party takes over?

    Democrats would love nothing better than for Trump to declare an “emergency” and get it done that way. There will be nothing at all holding them back after the next election.

  218. lisab says:

    Trump does not and has never had any intention of building “The Wall.”
    —————–

    then you have nothing to worry about …

  219. CG says:

    I’m not worried about “The Wall.” I am also not worried about being the victim of a crime by an illegal immigrant from Mexico. Odds are against it.

    Trump wants people to fear that though.

  220. Phil says:

    ‘’ I don’t know how serious Democrats are about border security”

    Really, Robbie? Seriously?

    Let me enlighten you. The answer, and I thought it was obvious, is they don’t believe in it at all. You don’t get that? To Democrats illegals are future wards of the state and imported future Democratic voters.

    Think of the US as one big ass California – their vision of the American future.

  221. CG says:

    If Democrats do not believe in border security *at all* why are Trump and his folks bringing up their old speeches, etc and saying that they agree with him?

    (of course, they do not agree with the specifics of what he wants. There would be definite room for compromise on border security in general if both sides were not happier playing to their own base)

  222. CG says:

    Trump could easily get a deal to build additional fencing, increase manpower, technology, drones, etc, in exchange for the common-sense legalization of DACA participants, which even Trump himself insists he wants.

    He just won’t be able to claim a concrete wall along the entire southern border. So, he wants the issue to fight about rather than actually doing something about immigration problems.

    But if the polls go south enough on the matter, we have seen he has no core principles and could easily cut any sort of deal. That appeared to be where he was headed until Ann Coulter renouncing him spooked him out.

    Trump simply listens to whomever the last person was who was in the room with him.

  223. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    55m
    Far-left Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) says that she will “never apologize for being me” in response to calling President Donald Trump a “motherf***er”

    The Left expects everyone who offends them to bow to their outrage mobs and they refuse to play by those rules, which they created.

    And the sheot show continues,

    All we need is AOC (all out commie) to chime in.

  224. Phil says:

    So Democrats believe in border security just not the specifics?

    LOL

    Specifics like abolishing ICE and sanctuary cities……but yeah, they’re all for border security and If you believe that I have some swampland for sale.

  225. Tina says:

    Coward sheriff Israel suspended,

    He should have been fired already.

    Dirty and corrupt Leo,

  226. CG says:

    They aren’t going to run on abolishing ICE. That is an extreme position, even amongst them.

    The political “fight” would be a lot better for conservatives if it was about sanctuary cities than “The Wall” but bumper sticker slogans are what matters to Trump so that is another miscalculation.

    As often the case, Tina’s source is wrong or incomplete on Tlaib. She actually was forced to apologize for “creating a distraction” and did so.

  227. Phil says:

    Tina, don’t worry. She’ll chime in. The commie can’t help herself. Love it every time she opens her mouth BTW.

  228. CG says:

    Also, those on HHR who said that Romney did not denounce Tlaib’s comments publicly needed to do better research. He certainly did on Twitter.

  229. NYCmike says:

    “CG” believes it is wrong to show Democrats as hypocrites, by showing where first they wanted border security, including a WALL, but now NOT wanting that wall, and also wanting to get rid of the enforcement personnel (ICE) and also allowing for sanctuary cities.

    Could it be because both Dubya and Bush Sr showed themselves to be total liars when it came to border enforcement, which is why the issue is still a problem a decade after the last Bush was in office?

  230. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1082738592940646400

    She is on vi$eo not apologizing,

    She only says she is “sorry for being a distraction.” She does not apologize for the comment.

  231. lisab says:

    I am also not worried about being the victim of a crime by an illegal immigrant from Mexico.
    ——————————–

    well since you are not a cop and probably don’t buy drugs off the street, your chances of running into a violent criminal from mexico probably is very limited

  232. Tina says:

    All out commie is entertaining though, Phil.

    The 70 percent tax rate is a base number.

    Another wacko will have to out do her.

  233. NYCmike says:

    “As often the case, Tina’s source is wrong or incomplete on Tlaib. She actually was forced to apologize for “creating a distraction” and did so.”

    -I think “CG” is showing “dual loyalties”, to both Democrats against Trump, and as a Bush-bot.

  234. CG says:

    I don’t know what Bush 41 has to do with any of this. Under Bush 43, there was a proposal for comprehensive immigration reform that would have increased border security and Republicans were among those opposing it because they did not like the concept of a path to citizenship for people already here or a guest worker program.

    The point with Trump and his people is that as usual, they are mixing messages and hurting their own “case.” The public is not with them on “The Wall” and never would be. If the fight was about Sanctuary Cities or certainly ICE, it would be different.

  235. NYCmike says:

    “He certainly did on Twitter.”

    -Got it.

    Romney gets space in WAPO to go after a Republican, but settles for Twitter to go after a Democrat.

  236. CG says:

    239. Yours either lisa.

  237. Tina says:

    It is clear though that she is not apologizing to the president,

    She meant every word,

    It is on tape and the tape don’t lie,

    And piglosi is an enabler of the sheot show,

  238. CG says:

    Trump says everything on Twitter.

    When Tlaib said it, Romney was headed to Europe for his granddaughter’s wedding.

    He rightly pointed out how neither side should debase themselves.

    Tlaib did her party no favors by the “distraction” but come on, are we really going to be sensitive about her use of that word?

  239. CG says:

    Why should she apologize to Trump? Is he that much of a snowflake?

    The person she should apologize to is Pelosi.

  240. NYCmike says:

    “The public is not with them on “The Wall” and never would be. If the fight was about Sanctuary Cities or certainly ICE, it would be different.”

    -B*llsh*t on the wall.
    Build it, and then move on to the next things, including sanctuary cities and Democrats calls to abolish ICE.

  241. Phil says:

    AOC and Tlaib need to keep talking.

    Republicans should be encouraging them.

  242. CG says:

    Of course she meant it.

    Frankly, Trump fans should applaud her candor. You can’t have it both ways.

    But somehow, they made her apologize for the “distraction” just like Joe Wilson had to several years back.

  243. Tina says:

    Exactly, Phil.

    I cannot disagree, let them keep talking.

  244. NYCmike says:

    “AOC and Tlaib need to keep talking.”

    -“CG” will be here to defend them.

  245. CG says:

    NYC, you disagree the public does not want “The Wall?”

    Fake polls again?

    You saw what happened in 2018 when Trump got involved talking about immigration and how that made a bad situation even worse for Republicans, right?

  246. CG says:

    NYC is Mr “Just Words” who only shrugs off words when Trump directs them at others.

    But when they are directed at Trump, he considers it a national emergency.

  247. Phil says:

    I applaud her candor.

    At least she’s truthful about her feelings unlike Democrats who claim they are for border security. Pure crap.

  248. Tina says:

    Yup, fronting for All out commie and fugly, much like fronting for Hillary in 2015/2016 and Fake Indian in 2017/2018.

    Btw, fugly replaced Israel with Palestine in her office map.

  249. CG says:

    I believe some Democrats would be fine with letting anyone into the country and having no border security.

    I don’t think that’s all or most Democrats though. The smart ones know that is untenable politically.

    So, why not work together on a compromise to get *something* done?

  250. Phil says:

    256

    Bingo. Another Democrat who cares about the border. LOL

  251. Tina says:

    Yes, they are for the illegal.

    When you want to aboliish Ice, you have many screws loose,

  252. CG says:

    I agree that those want to abolish ICE have screws loose. So do those who want to dismantle the FBI at the behest of Trump.

  253. Tina says:

    No, only dismantle the fbi leadership under obumbler,

    Wait a minute that has been done already with the numerous firings and retirements

    Fib should not be used as the Clinton/obumbler police,,

  254. CG says:

    NYC attacks Democrats for not supporting border enforcement, which would perhaps be a reasonable position if not for the fact that he has spent years attacking Republicans for attempting to work with Democrats to support border enforcement.

    If even going to a press conference with one is wrong, how do you expect Democrats to be a part of the solution?

    As usual, NYC proves himself a type-first, figure out the inconsistency later, hypocrite.

  255. CG says:

    The current FBI leadership should be allowed to continue their investigations without interference.

  256. CG says:

    Those who work for ICE and those who work for Robert Mueller’s office should not have their patriotism questioned.

    Seems pretty simple. Tribalists on both sides would rather play games though out of fear and extremism.

  257. Phil says:

    They don’t have a screw loose, Tina. They know exactly what they are doing. It’s about power. Flood rhe country with illegals, make them voting citizens and never lose another election. Pretty simple, really.

    That’s the plan. Turn the US into a one party country and you have an America which is essentially California on a national scale.

    Nothing about this is complicated.

  258. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    5m
    In Florida the first step to remove an elected constitutional officer, which Scott Israel is, is suspension.

    The state Senate then removes the official.

    Suspension does not mean they’re cut a break. It’s part of the process.

    Bush bye, Hillary’s sheriff.

  259. CG says:

    DeSantis became Governor today and as far as I can tell thus far has taken no action on Sheriff Israel.

    Newspapers are reporting that Israel has said he expects to be removed.

  260. Tina says:

    He cannot remove him, that is up to the fl senate.

    But he suspended him.

    Your statement of doing nothing is wrong or you lied.

  261. Tina says:

    Phil, this guy wants ice out of ca jails, yet, he is “for” border too, I mean for illegal:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    By threatening to physically kick ICE out of his jails, Democrat L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva is literally protecting violent criminals and gang members from deportation.

    You can’t spin this one or fabricate excuses. It’s very simple.

  262. CG says:

    To this point, he has not been suspended, which is what I said.

    It may very well happen, but it is factually incorrect to say it already happened.

  263. CG says:

    He certainly should be suspended.

  264. Tina says:

    You typed no action,

    He has been suspended, he is packing his bags.

    He is on record of saying this and the under sheriff has resigned.

    Again, you are wrong or lied,

  265. CG says:

    The Governor of Florida has made no public announcement on Scott Israel as of the present time.

    I know that is a difficult concept for you to grasp. It probably will happen, but hasn’t yet. As usual, your wacky Twitter sources say whatever they want, regardless of actual facts.

  266. Tina says:

    https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article224080655.html#click=https://t.co/CDO6zuBf3k

    Here is an article,

    The process is first a suspension, and then a removal, if senate concurs,

  267. CG says:

    Directly from the article

    “DeSantis, who was sworn in Tuesday morning, had not made a formal announcement of a possible suspension.”

    “The governor has not said anything to us, directly or indirectly, as to whether or not the sheriff is going to be suspended,’’ Kaplan said. “He is working and continues to serve the citizens of Broward County.’’

    That was the exact article I read online before I made the post to correct you.

  268. lisab says:

    NYC Mayor Guarantees Comprehensive Health Care for All in Historic Surprise Announcement

  269. lisab says:

    Democratic chairman begins prep work for legislation to enact ‘single payer’ healthcare

  270. NYCmike says:

    “If even going to a press conference with one is wrong, how do you expect Democrats to be a part of the solution?”

    -I NEVER said it was wrong to work with Democrats.

    I did say it was WRONG to work with Schumer and Durbin, who clearly lied about any intention to defend/police the border……as evidenced by his party’s calls to abolish ICE, as well as his refusal to build strong barriers, so that people are only able to cross at locations specified by our government.

  271. Tina says:

    You wrote removal and that is not how it happens,

  272. CG says:

    So, now you can work with the Democrats, just not the top two Democrats in the Senate.

    Only freshmen Democrats? Is that acceptable? Maybe a county clerk from rural Kentucky?

    Of course, Trump cutting checks to Schumer, Durbin, and everyone else was no problem for you. You applauded him for doing so and said it made him smart.

  273. CG says:

    What I wrote is that Israel expects to be removed. Totally accurate per the article.

    As of this moment though, he remains Sheriff. The ball is in DeSantis’ court.

  274. NYCmike says:

    “You applauded him for doing so and said it made him smart.”

    -I applauded him for doing this? Copy-and-paste that comment, please.

    As for being “smart”, would it have been “smarter” for Trump as a businessman to make enemies of them instead?

  275. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Should DeSantis remove him?

  276. CG says:

    You said any smart NYC businessman had to play ball with Democrats to get what they wanted.

    But Marco Rubio even trying to work with Democrats for the betterment of the country disqualified him to you.

  277. CG says:

    I already posted not long ago today that Sheriff Israel should be suspended if he does not resign.

  278. Paul says:

    206: Stacks of cash were not government treasury funds. They were unfrozen Iranian accounts.

  279. Tina says:

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @RepAOC
    I just had a furloughed worker come visit me in my office.

    “I work for HUD,” he said. “My family is hurting now that I’m three weeks without a paycheck,”

    This is a lie,

    But more All out commie,

  280. Paul says:

    Conway totally lost it. Confused as usual. Must be smoking something.

  281. CG says:

    It has to be tough for Kellyanne Conway to have to go home every day and realize how much smarter her husband is than she.

    (she’s thinner though for sure)

  282. lisab says:

    They were unfrozen Iranian accounts.
    —————————————–

    so obama gave the iranians stacks of cash ….

    good job!

  283. lisab says:

    for people who are not worried about trump, you sure are posting a lot …

  284. Tina says:

    Bad day for Hillary’s jebots

    Sheriff Israel.

    Election supervisor

    Russian fusion plant indicted

  285. Tina says:

    Richard Baris
    @Peoples_Pundit
    Republicans have long been two-faced, pledging to stop illegal immigration during election season. But in the end, cheap labor means more to them than you do.

    For Democrats, Chuck and Nancy want to import an underclass dependent on government, and people to fold their laundry.

    This is true.

  286. Tina says:

    Yes, it was Iran’s money.

    Mullahs Corker and Flake

  287. NYCmike says:

    I guess Conway could always call someone from the JEB!2016 campaign team to pick up her self-esteem.

  288. lisab says:

    U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell Jr. sentenced Juan Valdez, 51, of Milton, Massachusetts, to 20 years in prison for conspiring with his brothers, Claudio, 46, and Hector Valdez, 45, to arrange the shipment of multiple kilograms of heroin and cocaine to drug stash houses in Cranston and Woonsocket, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney Stephen G. Dambruch’s office.
    —————————————–

    i thought juan valdez was smuggling coffee?

    he gives new meaning to the term …

    drug mule 🙂

    (he was just an illegal alien smuggling the heroin americans did not want to smuggle)

  289. lisab says:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is right. A 70% tax on the rich makes sense

    If we are serious about tackling climate change, this is precisely the kind of policy we need to see

  290. NYCmike says:

    I want the Democrats to prove that the government is actually shut down……where is the proof?

  291. Tina says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/poll-plurality-agrees-with-trumps-border-crisis-description/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    New polling numbers, voters agree with trump about the border crisis,

    Also, the article mentions a national emergency and lawyers agreeing with trump.

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    The main difference between Corey and MD is that Corey still posts here.

  293. janz says:

    I think Gavin Newton will be the one to put CA over the edge of chaos and fiscal insolvency with his health care and sanctuary status for all. The dems have become caricatures of human lunacy.
    .

  294. Proud Obamacon says:

    What’s the over/under on the number of lies spewed by your Orange Hero?

    LOL … can’t keep up with all the lies!

    Chuck and Nancy must be loving this. Someone tell me when the response is on so I can watch them rip the Orange apart! Go Team BLUE!

    #RESIST

  295. NYCmike says:

    janz,

    If Newsom wins the nomination for President as a Democrat, “CG” would compare him favorably compared to Trump.

  296. Proud Obamacon says:

    “New polling numbers, voters agree with trump about the border crisis..”

    Tina’s own cited poll shows support AGAINST the wall and Groper being blamed for the shutdown LOL

    The poll also showed 44 percent support for a border wall and 47 percent opposition to a border wall. Eighty-three percent of Republicans and 13 percent of Democrats support the wall, while 83 percent of Democrats and 14 percent of Republicans oppose the wall.

    From the NotSoBrightBart article:
    However, the poll also shows lopsided opposition to government shutdowns. Sixty-five percent of voters say “Presidents should take all necessary steps to avoid a government shutdown. They should achieve their policy goals another way,” while 22 percent said, “Presidents should allow a temporary government shutdown if it helps them achieve their policy goals.”

    Now I need to scrub my computer after going to that sick disgusting web site.

    #RESIST!!!!

  297. janz says:

    NYC. I think you may be right, considering how TDS seems to have infected and affected people like CG.

  298. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #306
    And I bet you cheered on the passage of ObamaCare when polling showed it at 29% approval just prior to the reconciliation votes in 2010.
    #pocretin

  299. Tina says:

    More sheot show:

    House Drats want to raise the corporate tax.

  300. Proud Obamacon says:

    #306 Polling for OCare was low because people like me disapproved of it for being a Republican plan. Remember Romney Care? LOL Of course not, truth hurts doesn’t it.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  301. Tina says:

    Support for the wall is just about even per that poll.

    Americans view the border in crisis by a plurality.

    This all pre speech, which may move things.

    Immigration is the number one issue now.

    It’s going to be problematic for Dog Schumah and piglosi to claim that no problem exists,

  302. Tina says:

    That is why I do not think trump calls for a national emergency tonight,

    Shape the issue tonite.

  303. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Support for the wall is just about even per that poll.”

    that poll = NotSoBrightbart poll. In other words, FLUSH IT!

    For a real poll, see Reuters Ipsos. 35% support. OOPS! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-poll-idUSKCN1P223U

    #RESIST!

  304. Proud Obamacon says:

    Groper in Chief will do what Rush and Coulter want him to do. Simple as that. His words tonight are meaningless, he’ll flip flop in a minute if Rush and Laura disapprove.

    #WORST.ADMIN.EVAH

  305. CG says:

    I wouldn’t vote for Gavin Newsom, the ex-husband of Trump’s future daughter in law, but there would be a relatively small sample of humans worldwide that could not be compared favorably to Donald Trump.

  306. Proud Obamacon says:

    Groper getting his final orders ahem.. talking points from Hannity and Coulter

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  307. Tina says:

    I could only vote for Hillary.

    Jebot

  308. Proud Obamacon says:

    Final rehearsal in front of Rush and Putin. I hear they are not happy.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  309. Proud Obamacon says:

    Oh WOW, in rehearsals, he was having trouble reading the prompter. What a disaster! Better off not doing this live.

    #RESIST!

  310. CG says:

    One of his eyes looks like it is completely gone. That can’t be good.

  311. Proud Obamacon says:

    Is it over?

  312. CG says:

    Chuck and Nancy look like they are introducing a horror movie.

    What optics on both sides.

  313. Wes says:

    Schumer and Pelosi look like the human puppets from Dead Silence.

  314. CG says:

    Pelosi is staring into the soul of America while Schumer speaks. It’s kinda scary, even more so than the orange cyclops who just spoke.

    They should have let Schumer do this by himself if they were the only ones who could do this.

  315. CG says:

    The older one is, the worse they are reading off a teleprompter apparently.

    Pelosi was the worst, then Trump, then Schumer ,and he wasn’t so great either. All three of them looked scared to death of the camera.

    Ronald Reagan would be so disappointed.

  316. Tina says:

    We don’t lock our doors at night because we hate the people outside. We lock them because we love the people inside.

    Two thumbs up.

  317. Tina says:

    Plug, piglosi looked awful.

    Schumah made no eye contact. Used car salesman,

    Trump will blow past 200k tweets.

  318. Tina says:

    n Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    14m
    Chuck Schumer tonight: Trump’s border wall is “ineffective” and “unnecessary”

    Chuck Schumer in 2009: “630 miles of border fence” made our southern border “far more secure” because it “created a significant barrier to illegal immigration”

    Will the real dog Schumah stand up?

  319. CG says:

    Putting aside all the factually incorrect things he said and the shameful appears to fear, he delivered the address in a very low-key way and said absolutely nothing about declaring a “national emergency”, etc. It was basically a nothingburger all around.

    His fans may feel like Stormy Daniels did right after.

  320. janz says:

    Tina, that was a good line – one that people can relate to. The dems response was robotic and difficult to watch, IMO.

  321. Tina says:

    Yes, Schumah could not make eye contact. One eye was shut.

    Piglosi loked awful.

    They should have only used one speake, and not these two.

  322. Tina says:

    This is not the visual the drats wanted.

    This is marketing 101.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1082823230648406017

  323. janz says:

    CG, besides hating Trump, do you give any credence to whether or not there is a need for more border security?

  324. Tina says:

    Janz the statistical information was impressive.

  325. CG says:

    All three of them looked robotic. You could see all 4 of the Democrats eyes though. You could only see half of one of Trump’s eyes. People will find that distracting. Maybe it’s just how he reads.

    Trump’s phrase sounded better on paper than they way he delivered it. He just doesn’t come across as sincere when he tries to be empathetic.

  326. CG says:

    I say all the time there is need for more border security but the “The Wall” has always been a horrible and dishonest idea. Trump walked away from the concept in a huge way tonight. Maybe that ultimately gets them closer to cutting a deal.

    Just about every one of the “facts” and “statistics” he cited though can be proven as false or misleading.

  327. Tina says:

    Hide the women and children with Schumah dog and the lady who looks like she is withdrawing from a narcotic,

  328. janz says:

    Tina, in that twitter picture posted, Pelosi looked stoned, Schumer looked evil, and they both had postures of stick figures. Yes, those stats recited by Trump were useful in painting a fuller picture of border issues and concerns,

  329. NYCmike says:

    Instapundit take:

    “More seriously, if you put these back to back, Trump talked about protecting Americans, Pelosi and Schumer talked about protecting government employees. Their focus on ending the shutdown suggests that it’s hurting them.”

  330. Tina says:

    Janz, I love the American flag. But there are two too many in the shot.

    This may not be their fault though, just observing that the background was too busy,

  331. Tina says:

    Live
    Socialist Ocasio-Cortez’s response to President Trump’s Oval Office address to the Nation tonight: “The president should be really defending why we are funding [ICE] at all … right now, what we are seeing, is death.” (link: https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1082833069864898562/video/1) pic.twitter.com/C4SUAM5NVO

    Well stated All out Commie

    /sarc

  332. NYCmike says:

    That clip of AOC……I closed my eyes for a second, and the words were exactly like what “CG” has been writing.

  333. CG says:

    What words? Be specific?

    I have been very clear in being extremely critical of those who have called for defunding ICE or who have attacked those who work for the agency.

    So, what are you talking about?

  334. Tina says:

    Trump talked about Americans

    Democrats talked about Trump

    2016 all over again

    All we need is coughing .Hillary.

  335. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Definitely felt Trump did better tonight. He came across as seriously intense and factual; and did not get bombastic. He got his point across.

    Pelosi and Schumer were awful. Upon first seeing them, thought it looked like Warren Jeff and one of his wives. Their scowl was really nasty looking. Pelosi was inarticulate; Schumer did better.

  336. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Latest Gallup poll on do Americans see themselves as liberal/conservative/moderate.

    “Americans’ assessment of their political ideology was unchanged in 2018 compared with the year prior when 35% on average described themselves as conservative, 35% as moderate and 26% as liberal.”

    The Democrats going hard left is problematic.

  337. Cash Cow TM says:

    Today was Walt’s bridge day.
    He came in second again…gets home all happy and waving his $3 winnings all around…saying “who;s your daddy”…disgusting….

    THEN…he works about 7 straight hours moving furniture, patching nail holes, etc, getting ready for a hired guy to come and help Walt paint several rooms in the house. I can;t get a moment of peace and quiet around here.

    But I did do some research about that Okanagan Lake monster in British Columbia…wonder if it eats cows…

  338. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    345. “All we need is coughing Hillary.”

    Either Pelosi or Schumer coughing would have livened things up. They looked like a pair of morticians.

  339. lisab says:

    life is calling … how far will you go?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmiFl4Gvo-o

  340. lisab says:

    To me, one of the best faces America has ever projected is the face of a Peace Corps volunteer. That face symbolizes this country: young, curious, brimming with idealism and hope – and a real, honest compassion. Teresa Heinz
    Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/peace_corps

  341. Wes says:

    My grades for last night:

    Trump gets a B for delivery. He had the best line of the night analogizing border security to home defense. He tried to relate the issue to average Americans and was mostly successful in that endeavor despite being mostly flat in his presentation and having that audible nose breathing. He also came across as reciting a speech off a TelePrompTer and was largely passionless in his oratory.

    On appearance, he gets a D. He seemed uncomfortable, and the weird droopy eyelid couldn’t help being a distraction.

    Pelosi and Schumer get a D- on delivery. They didn’t really make a solid case for their side and seemed even more scripted, passionless, and robotic than Trump with no memorable pull quotes to drive their point home.

    On appearance, they get an F. They looked like a pair of ancient marionettes. The over abundance of flags posted behind them overshadowed them and the whole effect feel forced rather than genuine.

    Neither side did a great job; however, I feel Trump made a stronger case than Schumer and Pelosi did. Whether or not Trump persuaded more people to his side is as yet unclear. Despite that, he made the stronger case for his position even if only by default because of the remarkably bad performance by his opposition.

    This is literally the first time since the election I’ve felt Trump has done better than the Dems on anything. He had a major assist from a poor quality rebuttal. That said, it was a minor victory for him from a PR standpoint. Whether he can capitalize remains to be seen though he clearly won this round.

  342. Tina says:

    Hugh Hewitt
    Hugh Hewitt
    @hughhewitt
    ·
    1h
    “To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.” —?
    @marcthiessen
    ?

  343. Messy says:

    that was a piss-poor speech. yes, Trump made the case for border security, but then the Democrats were always FOR it. That’s not why there’s a government shutdown.

    It was lame to the max, and didn’t explain why he thought that 800 thousand innocent civil servants should be punished fort months on end.

    He had his people mislead the American public into thinking he was going to do something dramatic on the level of a coup. But he just made the same old argument that didn’t explain the punishment of millions of people both in and outside the government.

  344. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #353- Wes
    More important are your spouse’s and friends thoughts about last night? They seem to be your measuring stick.

  345. Wes says:

    Tink didn’t watch it, Sheep. My cousin—a big Trump supporter—watched it with me. He pretty much mirrored my thoughts. I haven’t heard anyone else’s opinion on the speech as yet today.

  346. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and SDC:
    The stats in this article/ editorial show how ballot harvesting helped the Democrats win about half of their 40 House seats in the recent midterms.
    Why isn’t there an investigation into how persons with no legal status in the Country helped influence the outcome of the recent midterm elections especially in CA? The Mueller Russia investigation has shown that possible foreign influence in a US election is critical to the integrity of our voting system. What happened in CA in November should be the Mueller investigation on steroids!

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/ballot-harvesting-midterm-elections/

  347. Wes says:

    You’re conflating two separate issues, Sheep. Voting by illegals is illegal but often hard to prove. (Dems often overlook it for obvious reasons.)

    Ballot harvesting is a separate issue. It’s illegal here in NC. That’s in fact why Mark Harris hasn’t made it to Congress despite apparently winning in November. California allows it; hence Dems have used it effectively.

    I don’t agree with the practice as it’s rife with potential fraud; however, I’m not a lawmaker. In states where ballots harvesting is legal I would encourage Republicans to match Dems in their efforts. At the same time I would seek court rulings overturning laws allowing it.

    Voting by illegals is and should be illegal everywhere. It’s catching these votes and effectively enforcing the laws that are problematic for obvious reasons.

  348. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    59m
    .
    @AOC
    ’s honesty is refreshing.

    She’s lifting the veil that
    @SpeakerPelosi
    and
    @SenSchumer
    put over the Democratic Party.

    The one that hides it’s contempt for America and Americans, and puts criminals before the law-abiding.

    More All out Commie.

    More, more, and more.

  349. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    AOC on ICE: “these children and these families are being held in what are called hieleras, which are basically freezing boxes”

    All out Commie ly8ng about freezing boxes.

    The illegals holding area is 70 degrees. Freezing is 32 degrees.

    I am sure the millennial knows the difference between those two numbers, but maybe not?

  350. jason says:

    I didn’t watch but I thank wes for the assessment, I have a feeling it is pretty accurate given wes is not a Trump cheerleader.

  351. jason says:

    but then the Democrats were always FOR it.”

    The most ignorant poster here claims Democrats are for border security.

    No, it is not a coincidence.

  352. jason says:

    I see the two Jebbots were here last night posting the same talking Dem points as every moonbat site in America.

    No, it is not a coincidence.

  353. Tina says:

    CBS caught Trump in a lie. Hilarity ensues
    CBS decided to help Democrats by fact-checking in real time President Trump’s address on the need for a wall.

    CBS reported, “Fact check: Number of women sexually assaulted on trip to border.

    “CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

    “FACT CHECK: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.”

    So, cbs admits the problem is even worse.

  354. Tina says:

    And cbs deleted the fact check.

  355. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    1h
    Just remember: individually, it’s Botoxic and SpewMore, but when they appear as a tag-team they are . . .

    NUNCHUCKS!

    Aka Piglosi and Schumah.

  356. jason says:

    Trump missed a great opportunity to pass comprehensive immigration reform that could have both ensured border security and removed the albatross of immigration from around the neck of the GOP.

    But he listened to the Kobachs and NYCs and the “we are winning” crowd who think doing nothing is a winner.

    In the end, as I have said many times before, the Dems are just one election or one SCOTUS judge away from getting everything they want on immigration, which is basically citizenship and voting rights for all illegals and open borders. ICE will be a footnote in history as soon as the Dems have they power to eliminate it.

    They know that in the long run, the “we are winning” crowd of immigration deadenders are going to deliver everything they want.

    But NYC will be here until the last minute before that happens to claim WE ARE WINNING.

  357. jason says:

    Paul says:
    January 8, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    Conway totally lost it. Confused as usual. Must be smoking something.”

    She was smarter and less confused than Hillary’s campaign manager.

    Everything is relative.

  358. jason says:

    AP finally admits Dems also responsible for shutdown…

    “AP FACT CHECK: Democrats put the blame for the shutdown on Trump. But it takes two to tango. Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion for his border wall is one reason for the budget impasse. The Democrats refusal to approve the money is another.”

    Moonbats will be upset at this failure to stay in reservation.

  359. jason says:

    Chuck Schumer tonight: Trump’s border wall is “ineffective” and “unnecessary”

    Chuck Schumer in 2009: “630 miles of border fence” made our southern border “far more secure” because it “created a significant barrier to illegal immigration”

    Will the real dog Schumah stand up?”

    Follow the money. In 2009 Schumer was being funded by Trump.

    Now he is cutoff.

    Ergo…….

  360. Waingro says:

    ” Trump made the case for border security, but then the Democrats were always FOR it.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUSt2Dqmgc

  361. Barrett says:

    I said yesterday I would listen to Trump’s Oval Office Speech to make the case for a border wall. Here are my takeaways:

    – It must have been good enough to scare the Democrats, because Morning Joe is comparing it to “Klan Rhetoric”.

    – While it is true that Democrats have offered a $1.3 Billion deal, I believe the original amount requested was around $5.5 billion. This is a half measure by the Democrats, which in my mind means they aren’t serious about national security.

    – When the NYT can’t disagree with Trump in their “fact checking.” That tells you something. The best they can come up with is the statement “This needs context.” That tells me that if Trump had spent a few more minutes on details, the NYT wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.

    – Having said the above, I was satisfied with the details Trump provided – especially the part about how border security relates to the drug epidemic.

    – His comments about a steel wall were stupid, but that’s ok, no one is perfect.

    – Trump said that Mexico would essentially pay for the wall, due to renegotiations on NAFTA. While the NYT says it’s outright false, I disagree. Closing the trade gap helps us fund other projects, so indirectly, Trump is correct.

    Like Wes, I’d give him a B. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 2018’s budget deficit was 793 Billion. So 5.5 billion for a wall? Thats a 0.6% increase in the defecit. I’m ok with that.

  362. jason says:

    The “Mexico will pay for wall” was always a mistake. For some reason Trump felt compelled to try to sell the wall as something that wouldn’t cost anything, and in my opinion it was the wrong tack. He could have said something like with a new Nafta agreement and better trade policies, we will better afford a wall (not that I agree with that).

    If you want to sell something as important, then you should not shy away from saying it will cost you.

    All it did was subject him to ridicule and poison the relationship with Mexico.

  363. janz says:

    I watched DT’s speech last night and was mildly disappointed in that it was lacking either new info or a captivating delivery by Trump himself. However, the dems who followed him, were so bad that I found them simply unwatchable, upping my appreciation for what trump was able to accomplish. My grade for him is a numerical one, based on a 1-10 scale – 7+.

    Also, I think both Wes and Barrett offered valid points and summaries evaluating last night’s performance. From what I’ve read, though, via other comments, I don’t think many minds/hearts were changed. In fact those who despise Trump, like me with Pelosi & Schumer, the likelihood of them even bracing themselves to listen to him is probably very low.

  364. Barrett says:

    Janz, I think it was an opportunity for Trump to appear presidential when making his case.

    It was a bit underwhelming, but still presidential.

    if Support/Non-Support for the wall was 43/54 before the speech, it may have nudged 45/52 at best.

    I am more focused at this point on how little Democrats care for national security. Republicans aren’t Gods, and our methods to keep people safe are not foolproof, but they are certainly better than Democrats who declare their cities to be sanctuary cities and their states to be sanctuary states.

  365. NYCmike says:

    “Just about every one of the “facts” and “statistics” he cited though can be proven as false or misleading.”

    -The above line was from “CG”……I await his proof to show what “can be proven as false or misleading.”

    Barret, Wes and others have made their statements…..which I for the most part agree with.

    Personally, I agree with whomever said it on Instapundit’s home page….Trump should have simply replayed press conferences held in the past 26 years by Bubba Clinton, Harry Reid, and Schumer, where they spoke very clearly about a need for a wall and a strong and tough border presence.

  366. Paul says:

    Mitch McConnell and Pelosi to work out deal to reopen government by end of week. Trump will be disappointed.

  367. Paul says:

    M and N to have dinner tonight.

  368. NYCmike says:

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/womens-studies-department-rejected-professor-because-she-was-pregnant-lawsuit/

    -Working women and pregnancy leave are a touchy issue, as I have dealt with the costs of such a situation at work several times……but this story just makes me laugh out loud!

    “A professor of women’s studies is suing a university after, she claims, the women’s studies department there retracted its employment offer after learning of her pregnancy.”

    WOMEN’S STUDIES, INDEED!

  369. Waingro says:

    #382, Paul, link??

  370. NYCmike says:

    Wain,

    Paul has a play date with his robots named Mitch and Nancy.

  371. NYCmike says:

    Chuck was put in the shop for maintenance after last night.

  372. Paul says:

    386: They AREN’T Robots. They are called ‘action figures’!!

    The Mitch one had to be custom made.

  373. lisab says:

    “Just about every one of the “facts” and “statistics” he cited though can be proven as false or misleading.”

    -The above line was from “CG”……I await his proof to show what “can be proven as false or misleading.”
    ———————

    as was already pointed out above, trump lied about 20% of women being raped or sexually assaulted during their attempt to enter the country illegally …

    sorrry, the statistics just don’t match that

  374. lisab says:

    can you imagine how bad it was for the fact checkers yesterday?

    fact checker: sir, trump just lied about the number of women sexually assaulted …

    cbs executive: post it now!

    fact checker: but … ummmmmmm … i don’t think this helps the democ …

    cbs executive: I SAID NOW!!!

    fact checker: but … you really ought to read this firs …

    cbs executive: POST IT OR YOU ARE FIRED!

    fact checker: mmmmmkay … you want me to post the information from amnesty international do you …

    cbs executive: NOW!

    (60 seconds later)

    cbs secretary: ummmmmmmmmmm … sir, nancy pelosi is on the line …

  375. lisab says:

    Women’s Studies department rejected professor because she was pregnant: Lawsuit
    ——————————–

    yes, this happens.

    they wanted someone who would teach for them. the woman is offered the job and then reveals she is pregnant. now the school has to find ANOTHER person to teach the courses for one year … it is common for university professors to get one year of “easy time” extra for each child they have … that is, their tenure clock is stopped during pregnancy.

  376. lisab says:

    years ago it was common for women to join school districts as teachers because if they got pregnant they could get entire semesters off, and the school district would have to hire a long term substitute.

    now the requirements to get certified as a teacher are so high that they cannot easily do this anymore at least in the north, and the south, which has much lower standards in many states, does not give a lot of leave time

  377. lisab says:

    ‘Traditional masculinity’ deemed harmful, could lead to sexual harassment, medical group says

    “The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity – marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression – is, on the whole, harmful.” — The American Psychological Association

  378. jason says:

    According to Schumer, the problem isn’t Trump it’s Meadows.

    SCHUMER: Yeah, Congressman Meadows from North Carolina. He’s one of 40 of the most right-wing congressmen. They shouldn’t be governing America, but Trump is letting them do it because he’s afraid to lose his base.