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Trump Trails Biden By 5% in NC

Donald Trump won the state of North Carolina by about 3.5% in 2016, but a new poll from Public Policy Polling shows that he would struggle to win there again.

PRESIDENT – NORTH CAROLINA (PPP)
Joe Biden (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%
Kamala Harris (D) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 46%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Cory Booker (D) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Beto O’Rourke (D) 45%

In the gubernatorial race, sitting Democratic Governor Roy Cooper starts out with leads over various Republican candidates.

GOVERNOR – NORTH CAROLINA (PPP)
Roy Cooper (D-inc) 48%
Phil Berg (R) 34%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 47%
Dan Forest (R) 35%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 45%
Pat McCrory (R) 41%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 46%
Tim Moore (R) 32%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 46%
Thom Tillis (R) 375

This poll was done January 4-7 among 750 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 2:45 pm
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994 Responses to “Trump Trails Biden By 5% in NC”

  1. lisab says:

    ‘Traditional masculinity’ deemed harmful, could lead to sexual harassment, medical group says

    “The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity – marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression – is, on the whole, harmful.” — The American Psychological Association

  2. lisab says:

    PPP’s newest North Carolina poll finds Hillary Clinton leading in the state, albeit by a narrow margin, for the first time since March. She’s at 43% to 41% for Donald Trump, 7% for Gary Johnson, and 2% for Jill Stein. In a head to head contest just between Clinton and Trump, she leads 47/46.

    August 9, 2016

  3. Phil says:

    PPP also had Obama beating Romney by three points in N.C. in 2012.

    Romney won 50-48.

  4. Tina says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-trump-1-pelosi-schumer-0-border-wall-debate-did-not-turn-out-well-for-dems-tuesday-night

    QUOTE:

    To a degree no one could have anticipated, the two Democrats just looked bad. A friend of mine who consults on political media wrote me: “Trump should pay these guys to speak to the nation. They look like mummies risen from an ancient tomb. It’s like an SNL sketch.”

    The self-destructive appearance of Pelosi and Schumer reminded me of “The Ev and Charlie Show” named for Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen and House Republican leader Charles Halleck. They tried to compete with President John F. Kennedy, who was a young charismatic master of television, and they ended up being ridiculed and becoming a symbol of ineffective old politics. Nancy and Chuck were building that reputation last night with their appearance.

  5. Tina says:

    “On Tuesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “11th Hour,” Democratic strategist and Clinton confidante James Carville….stated that the Democrats didn’t want to do a response and shouldn’t have.

    Carville said of the Democratic response, “I don’t think they wanted to do it. I don’t think they should have done it. And I guarantee you at the staff meeting tomorrow morning, somebody is going to get, you know, chewed out pretty good about this whole thing.”

  6. lisab says:

    the trump chuck and nacy meeting did not go well.

    trump apparently called everyone into a room and turned the floor over to chuck and nancy.

    chuck said, “we have to open the government”

    trump asked nancy, “if i open the government will you give the border money?”

    nancy said, “no, not at all”

    trump then said, “then we have nothing to discuss, and called the meeting to an end”

    the above is a cut down version of the discussions, but that was the gist

    schumer was furious apparently

  7. Paul says:

    Trump is a spoiled brat that needs to be hog-tied and thrown over the wall.

  8. lisab says:

    rbg is not ok, she missed work again

  9. Paul says:

    Time to remove Trump.

  10. lisab says:

    “Mr. Biden Are You Still Groping Senator’s Children?”

  11. Waingro says:

    Paul working hard to be the new #1 Dem troll on here.

  12. NYCmike says:

    “rbg is not ok, she missed work again”

    -As much as I would like her to retire, and for this Republican President to pick her replacement, please allow the woman to recover from her latest surgery. I believe Rehnquist missed some time when he was on the court, due to cancer, and I would suspect even a young justice could, at some time during their tenure, miss some days due to illness, from which they will recover.

  13. NYCmike says:

    Is there any evidence that a real wall/barrier will be ineffective for the purpose it would be built for?

    Haven’t countries around the world built walls for the safety of their citizens, and to make sure people who want to visit from certain points on their borders need to go thru specific points?

  14. lisab says:

    When Does Tanning Become Racially Insensitive?

    Skin is, in biological terms, just another organ. It naturally stretches and grows and darkens. But it has also always symbolized so much more than that. Darkened skin on thin white bodies is read as sun-kissed, the lingering memory of an afternoon spent surfing waves and drinking beers on the beach. On black and brown bodies it has, time and time again, been equated with dirt and been imagined as proof of physical inferiority. So, to see white people so confidently flaunt their darker skin and pretend like they have suddenly achieved a certain level of brownness feels unfair and ignorant of the reality that no matter how tan they are, they will never actually be shamed or deemed unemployable or excluded from social spaces.

  15. lisab says:

    Is there any evidence that a real wall/barrier will be ineffective for the purpose it would be built for?
    ———————

    if they are ineffective, why are people in ny required to have one around their pools?

  16. NYCmike says:

    “if they are ineffective, why are people in ny required to have one around their pools?”

    -Maybe Illinois banned wall builders, so “CG” won’t have any real world experience with walls?

  17. Paul says:

    Real walls only encourage lawsuits.

  18. Tina says:

    Coreeee pass the bong.

  19. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow I finally forced myself to watch the freakshow and damn what a LOW ENERGY speech that was. His eyes barely open, dafuq? Basically monotone talking in one big long run on sentence. Luckily for him, his supporters are equally stupid so they will love it from their favorite Autocrat!

    In the real world, he got whooped by Chuck and Nancy. The response got higher ratings.

    No wonder he’s triggered today.

    Nice temper tantrum.

    RePUKEs breaking away now.

    Groper awaiting orders from Rush and Coulter.

    Poor Orange

    #NO.WALL!

  20. Proud Obamacon says:

    What a LOW ENERGY stump speech. Is this what 2020 is gonna look like? BLUE.LANDSLIDE.COMING!

    I think it would be a great idea for Orange to declare an emergency. DO IT, GROPER!

    Once the precedent is set with full support from yall patriots, then we will be more than happy to declare real emergencies. Oh like, kids being shot at school, shooting massacres, 20 million uninsured.. those are real emergencies.

    Keep up the good work YALL! LOL

  21. NYCmike says:

    Interesting ride in car this afternoon – turned on Ben Shapiro for about 10 minutes.

    He believes Trump will declare an emergency, a court will stop it from taking effect, then Trump will cave and blame it on the judge. he believes that is the wrong thing to do.

    Then, he said he thinks that would be stupid of Trump, and stated that he thinks Trump should simply keep holding out, because it is the best policy decision and the best political decision.

    Rollin’ with Shapiro (and hopefully the President concurs!) on this one!

  22. NYCmike says:

    “Once the precedent is set with full support from yall patriots, then we will be more than happy to declare real emergencies.”

    -P.O., Robbie and “CG” have the same talking points….

  23. Proud Obamacon says:

    I agree with NYCMike! Hang tough comrades!

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  24. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Pelosi and Schumer reminded me of Gomez & Mortica Addams in their speech. Where was Lurch?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jsEP9WTHDY

  25. Proud Obamacon says:

    Since I’m an objective dude, I’ll say that Chuck and Nancy didn’t look great. But I think they did it on purpose, otherwise yall would be so sad and have nothing to talk about!

    Declare.Da.Emergency.Yall!!!!

  26. Proud Obamacon says:

    Come on yall, where’s the emergency? ? ? ? ? ?
    Do IT!

  27. NYCmike says:

    ” But I think they did it on purpose, otherwise yall would be so sad and have nothing to talk about!”

    -OK, I did laugh at that line!

    Well done!

  28. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I am actually opposed to a national emergency being declared, and think a temporarily compromise should be agreed to keep the government running while the sides continue to negotiate.

    As far as narcotics, smugglers are increasingly flying them in by drones and other means. The wall is going to have little effect.

  29. NYCmike says:

    Hey y’all, BUILD THAT WALL!

  30. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I am actually opposed to a national emergency being declared, and think a temporarily compromise should be agreed to keep the government running while the sides continue to negotiate.”

    You commie! You want to turn us into Venezuela!

  31. NYCmike says:

    “The wall is going to have little effect.”

    -SDC,

    In some way, The Wall, to me, represents a tangible difference in how our leaders will campaign for our support. Like it or not, Trump pushing to actually build it is a sign that he actually meant what he said, and is taking that promise to hear.

    (“CG”, I guess fulfilling promises is more evidence of his low character.)

    I do not need a wall built along the whole southern border, because I agree with those who say it is not needed in certain parts. BUT, where it is built, it will create an extra obstacle to pass thru. That will serve a purpose. Some think it is not worth $5 billion. Since this dang government gives hundreds of million$$ to Planned Parenthood every year to abort children (another issue that “CG” doesn’t think is worth “shutting” the government down for), that amount of money for building a wall seems like small potatoes to me.

  32. NYCmike says:

    ” to hear. ”

    -To Heart

  33. lisab says:

    Chelsea E. Manning
    Verified account
    @xychelsea

    fk the police
    ————————-

    good thing obama released her

  34. lisab says:

    i have been to the great wall of china …

    it is still a formidable obstacle

  35. janz says:

    SDC. The dems, much like the Chinese, have a history of not keeping their end of a deal, once a “compromise” has been struck and the R’s have given in to what the dems wanted.

  36. Phil says:

    Getting annoying having to scroll past the usual trolls. Seems the usual suspects are out in force lately. It could be worse, however. Imagine if we had to stop and actually read their posts.

  37. Paul says:

    There was no compromise. Trump wanted his way or no way. And we say F$CK YOU!!!!!

  38. Paul says:

    Lisab is a loser.

  39. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    34. “i have been to the great wall of china …
    it is still a formidable obstacle”

    Yes, but it did not work then, and neither will Trump’s wall now.

    It is better to focus on new technologies as a solution rather than physical walls that did not work for the Chinese or Hadrian.

  40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robotic and drone technology could be developed that would provide better security than a physical wall.

  41. NYCmike says:

    “Robotic and drone technology could be developed that would provide better security than a physical wall.”

    -I don’t agree with this.

    ALL current technology should be used, and it would even be a good place to test new technology.

    The wall is an additional thing to worry about, a delay. Something additional that someone would have to plan for.

    That has value.

  42. lisab says:

    Yes, but it did not work then, and neither will Trump’s wall now.
    ——————

    it did work

    actually the ming’s opened the gates to the manchus themselves, because they wanted help to crush a revolt in beijing …

    unfortunately the manchus decided to stay

  43. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “The wall is an additional thing to worry about, a delay. Something additional that someone would have to plan for.”

    How many billions of dollars is “extra worry” worth? Put the money into new technology.
    Here is an example from the Drudge Report.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20190108-high-tech-border-wall-plan-display-ces

    Also, effective robotics can result in a lot of extra worry for those trying to cross illegally. People are used to climbing walls, a face of with a fearsome robotic is another matter.

  44. lisab says:

    How many billions of dollars is “extra worry” worth?
    ———————–

    $140 billion a year approximately

  45. lisab says:

    my prediction for the over/under on when trump caves on the wall issue is two weeks

    (which would be the next pay period for the employees)

  46. lisab says:

    France to crack down on unauthorised ‘yellow vest’ protests

    French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has announced plans to ban participation in unauthorised demonstrations as the government scrambles to try to end weeks of violent “yellow vest” protests.
    —————————-

    only france has authorized riots

  47. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Trump pushing to actually build it is a sign that he actually meant what he said, and is taking that promise to hear.”

    I know, like the promise that Mexico will pay for it. What a stand up orange guy!

    #RESIST

  48. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #43- SDC
    Visit Israel before concluding that a Wall is worthless.
    Most CA conservatives I know are outraged by the ballot harvesting scheme perpetrated by Democrats. You seem OK with it. Why? You admit that most of your friends are active Democrats.
    I cannot remember the last time you agreed with a conservative idea or politician.

    My questions are what are your true beliefs and should we consider you an emotionally stable Troll? You should be aboveboard with the good folks at this blog.

  49. SusyQue says:

    This man works until 3 AM, and then sleeps only 3 hours.
    This man works for FREE, he gives away his salary quarterly.
    This man works to keep YOU and ME free.
    HIS name is President Donald J. Trump.
    That’s OUR PRESIDENT!!! #GodBlessPOTUS

  50. SusyQue says:

    I offer no apology for what I am posting, for this is truly how I feel. This is my opinion, not a debate. If you disagree, or find my position offensive, I’m perfectly fine with that. Feel free to unfriend me if we cannot agree or disagree. I wont debate or argue mine beliefs.
    I have lived through United States Presidents prior to our current One President Trump. In my lifetime, I have never seen nor heard of a President scrutinized over every deed, humiliated by the public to the point of disgrace, slandered, ridiculed, insulted, lied to/about, threatened with death, had his wife and our First Lady disrespected, & his minor child insulted, threatened & insulted.
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    COPY AND PASTE IF YOU SICK OF TOO.

    Praying daily for One President Trump; for wisdom, for guidance, for wisdom, for health, and for his wife and sons in Jesus Name.

  51. lisab says:

    Red Lobster pulling ads from The Tucker Carson show.
    ———————————

    uh oh …

    bad seafood restaurants are pulling their ads

  52. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nice, I’ll take the family to Red Lobster tomorrow night!

  53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    48. You can assume anything you want. I have freely expressed my views on the blog; often disagreeing with those whom you refer to as trolls. Maybe I can be classified as middle of the road.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “My questions are what are your true beliefs and should we consider you an emotionally stable Troll? You should be aboveboard with the good folks at this blog.”

    -Sheeple,Jr,

    SDC has been very forthcoming with opinions and beliefs. I don’t see any reason for your hostility.

  55. Phil says:

    Hell, most conservatives in California have thrown in the towel when it comes to illegal immigration and who can blame them. They have no say in anything. They are about as relevent and have about as much input as the individuals living behind the iron curtain in the 60s and 70s. Unfortunately that analogy works in a number of ways when it comes to the golden state.

    California. RIP

  56. Bitterlaw says:

    I said in 2016 that there would never be a wall as promised. Democrats don’t care about border security. Trump does not really care about a wall.

    I know people who are Federal employees. They are getting screwed in this fight.

    Maybe Trump should call the Dems’ bluff. Take their $1.6 billion and do what they propose. In 2020, he can use their ineffective border measures in campaign ads.

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – A majority of Californians are accept their state government’s flaming lib policies. You are happy with Texas. I could not live in either place. That is the beauty of our system. Let California be California.

  58. Phil says:

    I’m all for California being California. In fact, I would be all for them seceding and becoming their own nation where they could really let their hair down – or attaching themselves to Venezuela whichever they prefer. More power to them. I don’t see how conservatives there could be any more powerless than they already are now.

  59. Bitterlaw says:

    I am opposed to any state seceding. Bad idea in 1860 and a bad idea now.

  60. Phil says:

    Don’t worry, bitter. It isn’t happening…..and why should it? The rest of the country will be just like California in twenty years. No reason for them to leave.

    Demography is destiny.

  61. Wes says:

    Bitter can be happy in California East—New Jersey.

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    California has got major problems, but would not classify it as a basket case, like Illinois and even New York State. A couple things to remember:

    +In the last election, Californians voted against ending the state law banning new rent control restrictions by almost 60%. They did this despite most Democrats (Newsome was an exception) supporting the repeal.

    +California is the 6th largest oil producing state. It not that long ago was the 3rd largest producer, but its hard to frack the shale formations in California, so other states are overtaking it. Attempts to ban fracking and oil production in California have failed to pass the legislature, in part because Latino Central Valley Democratic legislators have consistently blocked every attempt.

    +The tech industry is powerful in California, and probably is the most powerful group politically; along with biotech.

    +This is the nations top agricultural producer, its likely everyone has been eating California produce and fruit grown in the Imperial Valley in the last few days.

    +Despite the state’s financial issues, new homes, often selling for more than a million dollars, are snapped up. They cannot build them fast enough. There is an amazing amount of money in California.

    The politics often drives me crazy, and have watched the Republican Party implode. But it is important to remember that while 44% of the voters are registered Democrats, the majority are not (27% independent and 25% Republican).

    Anglos make up 38% of California’s population, which Asians another 12%. Both these demographic groups often vote for Republicans. Latinos are 39% of the population, and vote Democratic now, but in the past have voted Republican. The income of Hispanics is growing faster than any other ethnic group in the U.S., and higher income levels often are associated with voting Republican. Only 6% of California’s population is African-American, which is the demographic group that votes most consistently Democratic.

    So at this point, do not like the direction California is going, but it is not an economic bottom dweller like some other liberal states, which are heading into the abyss fast.

  63. Phil says:

    All good points.

  64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Below is a video of the Young Turks 2018 election meltdown. As all the marque governor and senate races came in, they were horrified.

    The predictions that night were the Democrats would take the House by a small margin, so assume they likely felt better days later when more seats shifted Democratic. Still losing the headline races hurt the Young Turks who expected a massive wave.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2dFP6h9b4

  65. Bitterlaw says:

    62 Zzzzzzzzz. If I could be happy in New Jersey I would not have moved out for good in 1994.

  66. Tina says:

    New Politico/Morning Consult poll:
    Withdrawal from Syria – 49% support, 33% oppose
    Drawdown from Afghanistan – 56% support, 27% oppose
    (link: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000168-2f50-db11-ab7d-3ff974f40000) politico.com/f/?id=00000168…

    Jebots crushed.

  67. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Get “woke”, go broke! Ah, the world of good intentions!

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/42002/walsh-starbucks-matt-walsh

  68. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #63
    Your examples prove nothing. I lived in CA most of my life. It is a beautiful and funky State whose citizens’ qualitiy of lives has deteriorated markedly since 1990.( I departed in 2010).
    Yesterday, on Brett Baire’s Special Report show, the three panalists including liberal A.B. Stoddard, all said that the State is one economic slowdown away from ruin.
    I am sure that much to your dismay, the panelists credited the rising equities’ markets(non-recurrent capital gain income) and the Trump economy for the facade that CA’s economy is in good health. New structural spending is out of control and the State’s rainy day fund would deplete very rapidly.
    THERE NO LONGER IS A MIDDLE CLASS IN THE STATE!!!
    CA just mandated that all new homes built MUST have 100% renewable energy which will add 10,000- 20,000 dollars to the cost of a new residence. So tell us how many folks especially youngins’, will no longer qualify to buy?
    As for the State’s agrarian sector, yes, crops are bountiful, but would be much more so if not for the insanely absurd water and environmental regulations.Because of the State’s draconian dictates, folks outside of CA are paying more than they should for CA’s fruits and vegetables.
    Tech is big, but most new tech companies are relocation outside of CA. The same with tech companies with expansion plans.

    Only Liberals like you refuse to see the disaster unfolding in CA. CA drops into the abyss a short time after the #1 basket case, Illinois. In 2017, CA was second to IL in the net number of folks( excluding illegals),about 125,000, departing the State. I bet that most emigrants to other States were high income producers.
    Keep dreaming if it gets you through the day.

  69. Messy says:

    48. Please note that Mexico is neither formally or informally at war with the United States. No foreign army is trying to enter our territory with weapons, like Hezbullah is from Lebanon or Hamas or Fatah is from the West Bank or Gaza.

    Israel and the United States are totally different.

    ….and on a slightly different note: Chuck and Nancy had higher ratings than Donnie. Sweet.

  70. Messy says:

    49. But he doesn’t.
    50. I’m probably older than you. But EVERY president since Johnson has gotten that treatment, if not worse. Obama, especially.

  71. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    From Trump Campaign Director, Brad Parscale:

    “Just received my newest voter score tracking from my team. @realDonaldTrump has reached his highest national approval rating since I started tracking. The @TheDemocrats have really made a mistake going with their gut over data.”

  72. Barrett says:

    Just a few notes about North Carolina:

    #1 – Is it good news that some Democratic candidates lead in Florida? Of course not, but….

    #2 – It is 2019, and we have more than a year until the election, so it’s essentially useless to poll this early on.

    #3 – The Poll is from PPP. Even if this were two days before the election, take it with a grain of salt

    #4 – Poll numbers will tighten as the election approaches.

    That is all.

  73. Barrett says:

    meant to say North Carolina in #73, not Florida.

    Have to fly down to Florida for a funeral this weekend…

  74. Phil says:

    PPP missed on NC badly in both 2012 and 2016.

    They had a nice run in 2008 and haven’t been in the ballpark since. That’s just a fact. They are left wing hacks.

    I listen to Wes when it comes to NC.

  75. Robbie says:

    I look forward to watching all of the “real conservatives” at HHR defend this. I’m sure all of your efforts will be gloriously asinine.

    CSPAN
    @cspan

    President Trump: “I find China, frankly in many ways, to be far more honorable than cryin’ Chuck and Nancy. I really do. I think that China is actually much easier to deal with than the opposition party.”

  76. DW says:

    funny…here is a link to an American company who proudly said it was time to “get the *%!@ out of California”

    https://afxracing.com/new-much-larger-warehouse/

  77. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 10, 2019 at 9:36 am
    From Trump Campaign Director, Brad Parscale:
    “Just received my newest voter score tracking from my team. @realDonaldTrump has reached his highest national approval rating since I started tracking. The @TheDemocrats have really made a mistake going with their gut over data.”

    – LOL! Brad Parscale? That doofus doesn’t know crap. He’s just a Jared Kushner toady who is willing to say batsh!t crazy crap in defense of Trump. The moron said in 2017 that he uses alternative measures of support like Facebook “likes” to determine Trump’s popularity.

    Of course in October 2020 when Trump is behind nationally by 6 or 7 points and behind in all of the credible polling in the battleground states, this hobo will post something on Twitter suggesting Trump is really winning and the dolts will believe it.

    I really am looking forward to watching Trump lose in 2020. I hate that will make someone like Kamala Harris president, but that won’t be my fault. It will be the fault of all the fakes, the phonies, and the buffoons who insisted we renominate a sure loser like Trump.

  78. Robbie says:

    So after Trump get’s his butt kicked in 2020 and that leads to another 10-15 seat loss in the House and a 4-5 seat loss in the Senate that gives complete control of the government to Democrats, no doubt the HHR intelligencia will blame the “establishment” and Jeb, right? I know it won’t be Trump because the “true conservatives” who follow him believe Trump can’t fail. He can only be failed by those around him.

    For example, Jason fraud said over the Summer if Republicans lost 40 House seats it would be fair to blame Trump. But after Republicans lost 40 House seats, none of the “true conservatives” at HHR will say that. In fact, now the “true conservatives” are willing to let Trump declare a phony national emergency and take funds the Congress has legally appropriated for other things to build his stupid wall.

    I can only imagine the high pitched screaming of the “true conservatives” at HHR had Obama declared a national health emergency and bypassed Congress to get Obamacare put in place. And when a Democrat declares a climate emergency in 2021 and orders all coal plants shut or a gun emergency and orders all private gun sales to cease, I don’t want to hear any moaning from the people who supported Trump.

  79. Robbie says:

    The South American despot’s playbook.

    1. Declare a national emergency where none exists.
    2. Demand special powers to deal with the fake emergency on his own.
    3. Refuse to relinquish those special powers and then use them in the future whenever a noncompliant legislature refuses to acquiesce to the leaders wishes.

  80. Robbie says:

    And yet, the Confederate war memorial defenders who sprang up right after Charlottesville will find a way to defend Steve King. We’ll probably hear that he’s defending “culture” or some other idiotic thing.

    Rich Lowry
    @RichLowry

    Simply contemptible

    “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” Mr. King said.

  81. lisab says:

    Please note that Mexico is neither formally or informally at war with the United States. No foreign army is trying to enter our territory with weapons, like Hezbullah is from Lebanon or Hamas or Fatah is from the West Bank or Gaza.
    —————————————-

    so you are saying walls can keep out armed soldiers?

    great, they should have no difficulty with the doctors, lawyers and other assorted valedictorians streaming across our southern border

  82. lisab says:

    also …

    i appreciate the political promise trump made and that half the country supports a wall, or at least enough citizens who pay taxes support it that they deserve to get a wall — it is only 5 billion and will save money, stop trafficking, yada yada yada

    all good points …

    but, have you considered it is a big FU to mexica? our neighbor …

    and it will set up every 4 years the cry — “tear down this wall”

    not to mention huge fights along the border as it gets built.

    is that really a good idea?

  83. Phil says:

    Kamala Harris to formally announce her presidential run on January 21st, MLK day.

    She will do it in the Bay Area where she made her name, but advisors want her to do it in Oakland rather than San Francisco. Her advisors don’t want her to be too closely to the far left image of San Francisco.

    In other words she is already doing what Democrats always do when they run for office – trying to mask her leftwing radicalism. In her case that should be quite the task.

  84. DW says:

    “but, have you considered it is a big FU to mexica? our neighbor …”

    Other countries have taken a similar posture towards neighbors–especially those that violate the laws of the sovereign nation, and no one accuses them of wrongdoing in enforcing their own laws.

    “and it will set up every 4 years the cry — ‘tear down this wall'”

    This posture presumes they have a right to be here, a right to illegally enter the USA.

    “not to mention huge fights along the border as it gets built.”

    Illegal entrants would be foolish to fight along the border as it would only re-enforce the message that they bring dangers to our country in addition to low cost laborers.

  85. jason says:

    or example, Jason fraud said over the Summer if Republicans lost 40 House seats it would be fair to blame Trump.”

    Zzzzz… Amoral Scumbag lies so much he forgets about them and keeps repeating them.

    I never said that. I said Rs were expected to lose an average of 31 seats no matter who was President as a Republican.

    I said you could blame Trump for anything over that. So you can blame Trump for 9 seats.

    I also said there would be no blue wave and there wasn’t, since Rs gained seats in the Senate.

    It’s worth noting that although Amoral Scumbag was right about the number of House seats lost (30-40…hedged) he made a lot of wrong calls too.

    “If you’re referring to FL, I think nominating a total bum for governor has really hurt Scott. Just as the TX and TN governor races should help Cruz and Blackburn, I think DeSantis, a clown, is really hurting Scott.”

    DeSantis actually won by a larger margin than Scott.

  86. jason says:

    I really am looking forward to watching Trump lose in 2020.”

    Yep, Amoral Scumbag will be celebrating like he did when Obama beat Romney.

  87. jason says:

    I really am looking forward to watching Trump lose in 2020.”

    A true conservative.

  88. jason says:

    Cher advice to Pelosi: don’t die on this hill.

    Cher then demanded Democrats to “stop” the shutdown before Trump does.

    “HELL B HERO… HE’LL EAT UR LUNCH & STEAL UR LUNCH YOU’LL B FKD 6 WAYS 2 SUNDAY.DONT DIE ON THIS HILL. HE STOPS AT NOTHING.”

  89. jason says:

    I am glad I had lunch before the image of Pelosi “being fkd 6 ways 2 Sunday” came up….

  90. Hunter says:

    No DACA for Wall. NO DEAL. No Amnesty.

    It’s time to declare an emergency. Declare it, build the wall, no DACA. It’s the proper way forward for President Trump.

    -Hunter

  91. Barrett says:

    #78 – Easily the stupidest post of the day.

    Even if you think Trump is an idiot at times (believe me, I do!), why would you root for your president to fail?

    I THINK, Trump will lose in 2020. That is VERY different than saying I look forward to it. And it’s very different than saying I want a Democrat/Socialist in office.

  92. NYCmike says:

    “I hate that will make someone like Kamala Harris president, but that won’t be my fault.”

    -Just let that linger out there for a while…….everyone knew a person like that when we were kids…..

  93. NYCmike says:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/navarro-trump-cortes-left-cnn/

    -This is a Robbie and “CG”-type “Republican”.

  94. NYCmike says:

    https://victorygirlsblog.com/starbucks-needle-disposal-boxes-and-chai-latte/

    -I keep asking my wife to stop using Starbucks. She has dried several other small local places, but she drinks tea, and the small places don’t have many options for that.

    She BETTER NOT use the Starbucks bathroom.

    Get woke, go broke.

  95. NYCmike says:

    #69 – SDC,

    In contrast to Sheeple, I appreciate your well-written posts. Not sure where the bug up his arse came from.

  96. NYCmike says:

    Question of the day: Has everyone seen the “nude” picture of AOC??*

    *”CG” and Robbie will continue to deny that the media needs to be reckoned with, that they are only acting as they are BECAUSE OF Trump.

  97. Hunter says:

    Robbie is a useless TROLL and of course completely WRONG!

    An emergency must be declared. Democrats can challenge all they want, the SCOTUS will sustain the emergency and the wall will be built.

    No, a future Dem president can not randomly declare emergencies to confiscate guns or implement socialized medicine. That would be seen as totally political and will be struck down by a SCOTUS that is now solidly conservative.

    So Robbie can shut up. Declare the emergency, BUILD THE WALL, solidify conservative support, cruise to reelection!

    -Hunter

  98. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:33 am
    Kamala Harris to formally announce her presidential run on January 21st, MLK day.
    She will do it in the Bay Area where she made her name, but advisors want her to do it in Oakland rather than San Francisco. Her advisors don’t want her to be too closely to the far left image of San Francisco.

    – Honest question. Does “San Francisco liberal” really mean anything to today’s voters? It’s not 1984 anymore.

  99. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
    I also said there would be no blue wave and there wasn’t, since Rs gained seats in the Senate.

    – LOL! No blue wave? What fricking joke. Democrats won 40 House seats, gained 8 governorships, and picked up almost 350 state legislative seats. Nice Try, Jason fraud. Your pathetic efforts to shill for Trump and deny reality are just more proof that Trumpism is a degenerative brain disorder and you’re patient 0.

  100. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 10, 2019 at 12:28 pm
    I really am looking forward to watching Trump lose in 2020.”
    Yep, Amoral Scumbag will be celebrating like he did when Obama beat Romney.

    – I didn’t celebrate Romney’s loss and, of course, you know that. However, I am going to celebrate Trump’s loss because it will give me an endless list of reasons to mock to jerks like you who demanded we renominate someone who is going to lose in 2020.

  101. Robbie says:

    Hunter says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm
    No DACA for Wall. NO DEAL. No Amnesty.
    It’s time to declare an emergency. Declare it, build the wall, no DACA. It’s the proper way forward for President Trump.
    -Hunter

    – That’s right! Trump should be king. All hail King Trump.

    But when a Democrat tries the same thing in 2021, it will be an impeachable offense because Democrats shouldn’t be able to use the same unconstitutional means I was willing to look the other way for with Trump.

  102. Waingro says:

    Time for this guy to go. Glad he’s being primaried.

    “Steve King asks how terms ‘white nationalist’ and ‘white supremacist’ became offensive”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/424688-steve-king-asks-how-terms-white-nationalist-and-white-supremacist-became

  103. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:08 pm
    #78 – Easily the stupidest post of the day.
    Even if you think Trump is an idiot at times (believe me, I do!), why would you root for your president to fail?
    I THINK, Trump will lose in 2020. That is VERY different than saying I look forward to it. And it’s very different than saying I want a Democrat/Socialist in office.

    – Root for Trump to fail? He already has failed. He had a roaring economy and it earned him a 43% approval rating. He had a roaring economy and it led to a 40 seat loss in the House for Republicans. He had unified government and was unable to persuade anyone outside of the FoxNews audience that his wall was necessary. And had he not spent two years mocking John McCain’s POW status, he might have been able to repeal Obamacare, but he preferred attacking McCain on Twitter and elsewhere and now Obamacare is here to stay.

    So when I say I’m looking forward to Trump’s loss, it has nothing to do with the miserable British Labor Party style liberalism of the 1970’s we’ll endure with the next Democrat president. It has everything to do with the opportunity to rebuild the Republican Party. Purging Trump and Trumpism from the party will be a necessity for the party after 2020. Populism is a dead end and, sadly, it will take a rough loss to make the FoxNews base of the party realize that.

  104. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:44 pm
    “I hate that will make someone like Kamala Harris president, but that won’t be my fault.”
    -Just let that linger out there for a while…….everyone knew a person like that when we were kids…..

    – Any everyone knew a person like you when they were young. The dummy who insisted on touching the hot stove even when he knew it would burn.

  105. Waingro says:

    Steve King is dunzo.

    Ben Shapiro
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    @benshapiro
    3h3 hours ago
    More
    Donate to his primary challenger, Randy Feenstra, here. I plan on doing so.

    https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1083392910375018496

  106. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/navarro-trump-cortes-left-cnn/
    -This is a Robbie and “CG”-type “Republican”.

    – I think it’s cute NYCmike thinks a Daily Caller piece is going to persuade me about anything. What’s next? A Breitbart column?

    And by the way, CG and I are Republicans. We care about the party, not just the well being of cult-like figure or in purity tests as you do. The last thing you care about is seeing the Republican Party win elections. That’s why you repeatedly support candidates you know will lose general elections or why you support third party efforts that cripple Republicans who don’t meet your purity test. I sure am glad you boy Aaron Day was able to run as a real conservative and make sure Ayotte didn’t win. Hassan was a much better choice, right?

  107. Robbie says:

    Hunter says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:07 pm
    Robbie is a useless TROLL and of course completely WRONG!
    An emergency must be declared. Democrats can challenge all they want, the SCOTUS will sustain the emergency and the wall will be built.

    – Trumpism means anyone who disagrees with Trump is a troll.

    Trumpism also requires giving Trump the powers of a king so he doesn’t have to deal with the pesky representatives of the people in Congress.

  108. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:01 pm
    Question of the day: Has everyone seen the “nude” picture of AOC??*
    *”CG” and Robbie will continue to deny that the media needs to be reckoned with, that they are only acting as they are BECAUSE OF Trump.

    – How do you want to “reckon” with the media, NYCmike? Censor them? Jail them? If so, give Trump’s buddies Putin and Erdogan a call. They can give some good tips on how to reckon with the media. Come to think of it, give Saudi Arabia a call too. They dealt with a pesky media person not too recently.

  109. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    Time for this guy to go. Glad he’s being primaried.
    “Steve King asks how terms ‘white nationalist’ and ‘white supremacist’ became offensive”
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/424688-steve-king-asks-how-terms-white-nationalist-and-white-supremacist-became

    – Wait until Trump endorses Steve King.

  110. Robbie says:

    It’s coming.

    Kilgore Trout
    @KT_So_It_Goes

    who is excited for tucker carlson’s fervent steve king defense tonight

  111. Waingro says:

    “– Wait until Trump endorses Steve King.”

    I have a feeling he will stay out of this one.

  112. Waingro says:

    “It’s coming.

    Kilgore Trout
    @KT_So_It_Goes

    who is excited for tucker carlson’s fervent steve king defense tonight”

    I have no doubt. Expect Ann Coulter to go torched Earth on Feenstra.

  113. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm
    “– Wait until Trump endorses Steve King.”
    I have a feeling he will stay out of this one.

    – Trump’s advisors also thought they could keep him from endorsing child molester Roy Moore. Well?

  114. CG says:

    There was a good deal of pushback against the critics of Steve King here on HHR right before the November election.

    Remember, the overall maxim held by many is that *any* Republican has to automatically be supported when opposed by any Democrat regardless of any other circumstances. After all, the media is watching.

  115. Robbie says:

    “We don’t think he’s suitable as a practicing Muslim to be vice chair because he’d be the representative for ALL Republicans in Tarrant County, and not ALL Republicans in Tarrant County think Islam is safe or acceptable in the U.S.,” O’Brien wrote.

    This is the Republican Party of Donald Trump. Rather than be inclusive, party members in Texas are refusing to vote for a practicing Muslim simply because he’s a practicing Muslim.

    So again, Trumpism is a disease. It’s not a political movement. Trump’s bull horn call to white nationalists in the days after Charlottesville continue to have repercussions. The scum have come out from under their rocks. That’s why Steve King has no problem saying what he says. He feels the atmosphere inside the Republican Party of the last two years accomodates his views.

  116. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:54 pm
    There was a good deal of pushback against the critics of Steve King here on HHR right before the November election.
    Remember, the overall maxim held by many is that *any* Republican has to automatically be supported when opposed by any Democrat regardless of any other circumstances. After all, the media is watching.

    – So I guess that’s how NYCmike wants us to reckon with the media?

  117. CG says:

    In fairness, a lot of Texas Republicans from George P. Bush to Ted Cruz have come out in support of the Tarrant County official and have spoken against the efforts to force him out solely because of his religion.

    It is outrageous that religious bigotry has become so prevalent among others in the party though.

    It reminds me of how Rush Limbaugh was freaking out that one of the new Muslim-American Congresswomen is allowed to wear religious headgear on the floor of the House. Whatever one thinks of her politics, how can any American oppose that?

  118. Robbie says:

    Nice statement, but a few words in a tweet aren’t going to worry someone like Steve King. What action is the party willing to take? If they don’t do something, Democrats will have a field day running against the party of Trump and King in 2020.

    Liz Cheney
    @Liz_Cheney

    These comments are abhorrent and racist and should have no place in our national discourse. Steve King asks how terms ‘white nationalist’ and ‘white supremacist’ became offensive | TheHill

  119. CG says:

    Is anyone here still winning to defend either Steve King or the Republicans in Tarrant County who do not believe a Muslim can be a party official?

  120. Phil says:

    Does San Francisco liberal mean anything to voters any longer?

    Apparently the Kamala campaign thinks so since they are going out of the way to avoid it. So, yeah.

  121. Phil says:

    120

    No

    Not any more than the left’s bigotry against Christians. It’s one in the same to 98% of conservatives.

  122. Waingro says:

    “– Trump’s advisors also thought they could keep him from endorsing child molester Roy Moore. Well?”

    Didn’t he originally endorse Strange? He’s a bit more “in check” and listens to guys like McConnell et. al. when it comes to primaries. To his credit, he did stay out of Arizona.

    Yeah, if King wins the primary, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Trump endorse him then, true.

  123. CG says:

    When a Democrat organization has a fight over whether or not being Christian is compatible with being a Democrat, an apt comparison can be made.

    As for Steve King, his being a Member of Congress as a Republican is completely the same thing as if a Nation of Islam or New Black Panther Party member were sitting in Congress as a Democrat.

  124. Tina says:

    I heart Kamala

    Jebit

  125. Phil says:

    You may want to revisit Diane Feinstein’s questioning of Amy Barrett during her nomination hearings upon her nomination to the 7th Circuit. Read that transcript and get back to me.

  126. CG says:

    I am familiar with it and have highly criticized what she said here and elsewhere.

    That relates to someone and their fitness to serve in government. Perhaps that is worse in theory, although Feinstein was not making a blanket statement about a religion.

    This is about whether one can serve a political party and also be a member of a certain religion.

    So, it’s apples and oranges and in this case, both poisonous fruit.

  127. CG says:

    If any comparison can be made to Feinstein, it would be Trump assuming a judge was unable to be fair because he is a “Mexican.”

    Neither Feinstein nor Trump deserve to hold public office with their views on others.

  128. Barrett says:

    #104 – You think the economy is failing?

    – 3.9% Unemployment
    – The DJIA is hopefully going to move back up above 24,000 today
    – Sears liquidation temporarily averted (though that’s not something Trump get’s credit for)

    Also, The Economist has Trump at 44/54 (I believe Obama was 45/49 at this point in his presidency) Those are fairly comparable numbers.

  129. Phil says:

    If you want to make that distinction and it makes you feel better have at it. Same exact principle. I don’t see a lot of difference myself…..but my point is that when it comes to religion Feinstein and her left wing Democrats get no pass from me.

    ….and yeah I’d say it is worse and not just in theory.

    If the left wants to go after The Tarrant County Republican Party I have no problem with it – but I expect them to at least be consistent. They aren’t as pure as the driven snow. Sick of the double standard.

  130. CG says:

    I looked at that post and Robbie was saying that the economy was doing very well and there was still a massive effort at the polls to oppose Trump in 2018.

    I would also argue that a 54% disapproval rating is in a different universe than a 49% disapproval, especially as it relates to someone who generates strong feelings such as Trump.

  131. CG says:

    Feinstein should not get a pass for an un-American standard as expressed in her words to Judge Comey and neither should Trump and his ilk for their unapologetic embraces of bigotry.

    The answer to bigotry by those on the other side should not be bigotry in return.

  132. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:50 pm
    #104 – You think the economy is failing?
    – 3.9% Unemployment
    – The DJIA is hopefully going to move back up above 24,000 today
    – Sears liquidation temporarily averted (though that’s not something Trump get’s credit for)
    Also, The Economist has Trump at 44/54 (I believe Obama was 45/49 at this point in his presidency) Those are fairly comparable numbers.

    – First, the stock market is not the economy and I said repeatedly over the last two years on this forum it was stupid for Trump to tout the highs because he would get pegged with the lows.

    Second, my point was, if the best Trump could do with a roaring economy was 43%, what going to happen when the economy likely slows (not a recession) over the next two years?

  133. Barrett says:

    The economy is going to slow? And the Republicans are doomed? DOOOOOOOM.

    There’s that pathetic concern trolling again.

  134. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:51 pm
    If the left wants to go after The Tarrant County Republican Party I have no problem with it – but I expect them to at least be consistent. They aren’t as pure as the driven snow. Sick of the double standard.

    – So if you’re worried about consistency, shouldn’t Trump be held to the same standard as Obama was held to in this forum? When Obama said he had a “pen and phone”, this forum and the rest of the conservative media world went nuts.

    Now that Trump is considering a declaring a national emergency and usurping the role of Congress to take money appropriated for one thing and spend it on his wall, the “real conservatives” are generally cheering him on.

  135. CG says:

    Under Trump, Republicans are likely doomed even f the economy is firing on all cylinders.

    Affluent, upscale voters, (aka job-creators in many cases) who went Republican for generations, have turned heavily against Trump and his party.

  136. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:04 pm
    The economy is going to slow? And the Republicans are doomed? DOOOOOOOM.
    There’s that pathetic concern trolling again.

    – Are you aware of what happened on election day 2018? With a very strong economy, Republicans lost 40 House seats and Trump was only able to manage a 43% or so approval rating.

  137. CG says:

    At this point, Trump declaring his “national emergency” is his way out. It’s his way to punt and allow the government to be re-opened.

    There will be a long fight in the courts about whether he has the power to do such a thing, etc, and they are said to realize they know they can’t win that.

    So, declaring “national emergency” and pretending to do something solely on his own is simply a smokescreen to re-open the government per the Democrats’ conditions.

  138. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    Under Trump, Republicans are likely doomed even f the economy is firing on all cylinders.
    Affluent, upscale voters, (aka job-creators in many cases) who went Republican for generations, have turned heavily against Trump and his party.

    – Haven’t you heard? Republicans don’t need the suburbs anymore. The party’s got MAGA magic on its side. All they need are the FoxNews viewers, the Rush Limbaugh listeners, and the lunch pale workers who eat at diners in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    Trump proved 46% is plenty. What more do you want?

  139. Phil says:

    Yeah, this forum did go nuts about Obama’s pen and phone behavior…..but of course it didn’t bother you. Consistency works both ways.

  140. CG says:

    137. Don’t forget though, Republicans won Senate seats in ND, IN, and MO.

    Thus, “no blue wave” per jason.

  141. CG says:

    139. We have also heard that Kanye West has a cadre of African-American males who will put on red hats and march with him to the polls to vote for “Mr. Trump.”

  142. JulStol says:

    NYCmike,

    Send your wife here for tea:
    https://www.davidstea.com/us_en/home/

    They have several brick & mortar stores in the city.

  143. CG says:

    Jul definitely knows his Tea.

  144. Barrett says:

    #137 – the same could be said of 2014, when Republicans gained control of both house and senate, with Obama’s 45% approval rating.

    It’s called a mid-term election, and usually the opposing party gains seats.

    Except in 2018, where Senate Republicans expanded their majority.

  145. CG says:

    People can do what they want, as long as its legal, but I am proud to have never had a sip of tea; regular, iced, or otherwise in my life.

  146. CG says:

    By 2014, Republicans already had held the House for four years.

  147. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:09 pm
    Yeah, this forum did go nuts about Obama’s pen and phone behavior…..but of course it didn’t bother you. Consistency works both ways.

    – This is Phil’s go-to response these days when he doesn’t like me calling out the inconsistencies of conservatives in the age of Trump. He claims I was ok with Obama doing the same. What a load of crap. Of course, Phil also thought there was a silent coup taking place in 2017 to get rid of Trump.

  148. CG says:

    The 2018 Senate map was an oddity considering how much territory was in bright red states.

    Even still though, Democrats won Senate seats in red states, including places like WV and MT, as well as those which had belonged to Republicans, while Republicans made no gains at all in blue states, and lost a Senate seat in a what had been considered a swing state.

    Yes, ND, IN, and MO are very unlikely to go Democrat in 2020.

  149. Phil says:

    I don’t know about the West part but twice as many black men as black women actually did vote for Trump.

  150. CG says:

    And black women probably outvote black men 4-1.

  151. Phil says:

    All I said was be consistent yourself and then we can talk.

    You never are.

  152. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:13 pm
    #137 – the same could be said of 2014, when Republicans gained control of both house and senate, with Obama’s 45% approval rating.
    It’s called a mid-term election, and usually the opposing party gains seats.
    Except in 2018, where Senate Republicans expanded their majority.

    – Presidents and their parties get the president’s approval rating on election day.

    In 1972, Nixon’s final job approval rating was 61% and he got 61% on election day.

    In 1980, Carter’s final job approval rating was 41% and he got 41% on election day.

    In 1984, Reagan’s final job approval rating was 58% and he got 58% on election day.

    In 2004, GWB’s job approval rating in the exit polls was 51% and he got 51%.

    On election day 2018, Trump’s job approval rating was 45% and Republicans got 45% of the national House vote.

    As for the Senate, Republicans were luck that group of Senate seats was up in 2018. Had it been the 2016 group, election day would have been a disaster in the Senate.

  153. Phil says:

    4-1? Uh, I highly doubt it.

    Maybe 55-45.

  154. CG says:

    Nobody can possibly have been more consistent than me.

    I was disgusted by the lies and depravity surrounding Bill Clinton’s private and public lives, related to both his pre-Presidency and his Presidency and I was opposed to autocratic and unconstitutional attempted power grabs by Obama.

    So, when I continue to believe as I always have and find all these things worthy of criticizing Donald Trump for, I am being quite consistent, while others, on both sides of the Trump divide, have selected outrage/willingness to overlook.

  155. NYCmike says:

    “– How do you want to “reckon” with the media, NYCmike? Censor them? Jail them?”

    -Never thought to use those 2 methods.

    I see 2 other options:

    Use the Dubya method of “honorable capitulation” and allow the media to define the individual and the political party without any pushback, thereby showing wonderful character while allowing a demagogue like Obama to ascend to the Oval Office.

    Use the Trump method of always responding, no matter how small and/or inconsequential the attack. This may or may NOT lead to a disastrous showing in the next election.

    One wild card for 2020 will be how much of a message that “Republican” #NeverTrumpers want to send.

    A second wild card will be “independents” like Wes, who may or may not pick up their balls and go home, because of Trump’s tone.

  156. Phil says:

    155

    I wasn’t referring to you, Cory I was referring to my old friend, Robbie.

  157. CG says:

    It would be an interesting to delve into. I just checked the exit polls and do they not have a subset by race that can be divided by gender.

    I suspect my estimation might be right though. African-American women vote in heavy numbers and are probably going to increase the 2016 margins in 2020 by a good deal.

    The black vote in general was somewhat down in 2016, with Obama not being on the ticket. Perhaps that is not too surprising, but that is something that could very easily change in 2020, especially if an African-American is once again on the Democrat ticket.

    Considering the weakness that Trump has with suburban establishment Republican types who voted for Bush, McCain, Romney, etc, you can then kiss states like MI, WI, PA goodbye and perhaps FL and OH too, if Trump is nominated.

  158. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    All I said was be consistent yourself and then we can talk.
    You never are.

    – LOL. I’ve been consistent from day 1 about Obama and Trump. I opposed Obama’s extra-constitutional activities like his czars and his “pen and phone” strategy. And I have also opposed Trump for his behavior and strategy while pointing out how faux conservatives who support him would have melted down had Obama said or done the same.

    What bothers you, apparently, is I’m willing to note how inconsistent so many in the conservative movement have been. Trump’s a scumbag who is trying to strongarm his objectives through to keep Rush and FoxNews happy. Obama was heavy handed and every bit a detriment to the way government and politics work. But I guess conservatives decided that since Obama was able to do it, Trump might as well be able.

  159. CG says:

    In the grand scheme of things, Robbie is being consistent, but I have to once again point out that after the 2016 election, there was a period of a few weeks to a few months or so in which he attempted to join in the others in “giving Trump a chance” and was critical of me for not being willing to do so.

    I was right though. I alone, among genuine Republicans here, have opposed him every damn day since he came down the escalator.

  160. CG says:

    The mainstream media was unfair to George W. Bush of course, but if anything hurt him politically, it was the conservative media, such as Rush Limbaugh, turning on him. Will they ever be critical of Trump? Thus far no. It should not be forgotten that GWB won a very competitive reelection fight and received a majority of the vote.

    How did Ronald Reagan deal with a biased liberal media? Far differently than Trump that is for sure.

    Consider how Reagan dealt with Sam Donaldson and Trump and his team approach Jim Acosta.

  161. Phil says:

    Your criticisms of Obama and the left?

    LMAO

  162. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:26 pm
    155
    I wasn’t referring to you, Cory I was referring to my old friend, Robbie.

    – LOL! I’ve been consistent from the first day I joined this forum. I have consistently advocated for Republicans who can win general elections and not look like jerks while doing it. And I have consistently advocated against idiotic Tea Party purity tests.

    And as it applies to Trump, I have been 100% consistent. I opposed him from day 1 in July 2015, I advocated for a contested convention, I advocated the party deny him the nomination at the convention, I advocated he quit the race after Access Hollywood.

    It’s true after he won, I tried to give a him a second chance, but threw lout overboard after his outrageous and ridiculous claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. And through the second half of 2017, I warned repeatedly that, if Republicans didn’t wise up about the negative effects of Trump, he would lead the party to a 40 seat loss.

  163. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    Your criticisms of Obama and the left?
    LMAO

    – I guess in Phil’s world, the only criticisms of Obama that count are the hyperbolic ones. If you just generally disagreed with Obama’s agenda and tactics, that wasn’t enough. You had to support moronic dead end adventures like Ted Cruz’s shutdown.

  164. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:29 pm
    In the grand scheme of things, Robbie is being consistent, but I have to once again point out that after the 2016 election, there was a period of a few weeks to a few months or so in which he attempted to join in the others in “giving Trump a chance” and was critical of me for not being willing to do so.
    I was right though. I alone, among genuine Republicans here, have opposed him every damn day since he came down the escalator.

    – You’re right. After Trump won, I was willing to give him a second look. I stupidly thought the way he acted during the campaign was an act and that the presidency would contain his worst impulses. Unfortunately, I was naive and just plain wrong. Trump didn’t deserve a second chance. He’s a scumbag and scumbags never change.

  165. Phil says:

    Again, what criticisms of Obama?

    All we ever got from you was crickets. Compare that to the 24/7 rants regarding Trump you spout on an hourly basis for the past three years. The contrast couldn’t be more stark to anyone who has hung around this site for any length of time at all.

  166. CG says:

    He’s also been consistently pessimistic since 2004, so there’s another point in his favor.

  167. CG says:

    In a venue like this, especially the way the site has evolved over the past five years, (it used to be almost exclusively chummy here), it completely makes sense for the perception to be that Robbie or myself are “angrier” about Trump than about Democrats.

    Well, that’s because we are conversing/fighting with those of you who like him or abide him. What is the point now of an anti-Obama echo chamber? Why would there be rants about Obama when he was President to the same extent when about 95% of the people here already agreed about Obama?

    Outside, of HHR, going back to 2004, just about all my online political posting has been when I have been badly outnumbered by Democrats or people on the left. They always assumed I was obsessed with attacking Democrats and gave Republicans a pass for anything. Even recently, I was basically considered a Trump apologist on a site in which everyone else was on the left.

  168. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 4:42 pm
    Again, what criticisms of Obama?
    All we ever got from you was crickets. Compare that to the 24/7 rants regarding Trump you spout on an hourly basis for the past three years. The contrast couldn’t be more stark to anyone who has hung around this site for any length of time at all.

    – I opposed Obama, his policies, and his tactics from day 1. But let’s be honest about his time as president. His overreach was great, great business for the Republican Party. His first two years single handedly pulled the Republican party out of the ditch. His presidency led to the largest House delegation for Republicans, 249, since the 1920’s. And in this forum, another person screeching about Obama would have done what, Phil? Proved my bona fides to you? Sorry, but that’s not my goal.

    On the flip side, I vociferously and continuously oppose Trump here because so many of you have succumbed to Trumpism. All of the noble conservative values and thoughts that were spouted during the Obama years were cast aside to support Trump. Screws a porn star? No biggie even though we called for Clinton to resign in 1998 for getting a blow job. Threatens to declare an emergency and spend money how ever he sees fit? No biggie even though Obama’s pen and phone as awful.

    If you’re looking for posts where I called Obama an illegal president because he was a Kenyan interloper, you’re not going to find them. If you’re looking for daily screeds about his presidency, you’re not going to find them. I have decided to that during the miserable Trump presidency, though, because so many of you have decided that “whataboutism” is fine and Trump should get to break the rules just like Obama. Well, I’m going to remind you of how inconsistent so many of you have become and I’ll do so gladly.

  169. lisab says:

    DW,
    “but, have you considered it is a big FU to mexica? our neighbor …”

    Other countries have taken a similar posture towards neighbors–especially those that violate the laws of the sovereign nation, and no one accuses them of wrongdoing in enforcing their own laws.
    ————————

    yes, including jordan — and the dems paid for that wall, i’m NOT saying we don’t have the right to do it. i am saying it is a big slap in the face to mexico, and MAY not be a good thing in our relationship. although i know the idiom of high fences make good neighbors too.

    “and it will set up every 4 years the cry — ‘tear down this wall’”

    This posture presumes they have a right to be here, a right to illegally enter the USA.
    —————–
    i am presuming that the dems will have no problem stealing reagan’s biggest speech … even a kasich or romney might

    “not to mention huge fights along the border as it gets built.”

    Illegal entrants would be foolish to fight along the border as it would only re-enforce the message that they bring dangers to our country in addition to low cost laborers.
    ——————

    actually i was referring to democrat protesters, including aoc. were i an aoc, i would call msnbc and cnn and head to any part of the border i could with protesters and reporters and sledgehammers, just for the photo op, and then let loose the dogs of war “antifa”, so long as it ends up on the news

  170. lisab says:

    were i a dem leader, i would make this offer

    no wall, but we station troops along our border, in permanent bases, and they can use patrolling the border as practice for flying drones, aircraft, etc. and give them authority to arrest and deport

    and i mean as a real proposal, not as a fake offer.

  171. DW says:

    “actually i was referring to democrat protesters”

    Oh that’s even better…I hope AOC goes for it.

  172. Phil says:

    In other words you REALLY REALLY REALLY opposed Obama’s policies even though you never quite got around to verbalizing that opposition.

    Ok, got it. That clears it all up. Thanks.

  173. lisab says:

    of course i realize i would be drummed out of the party for trying for an actual compromise …

  174. lisab says:

    DW,

    i think that is almost a certainty, if not aoc, someone similar

    at least one or more of the dem nominees

  175. CG says:

    Nobody watches “The Masked Singer?”

  176. lisab says:

    Phil,

    yes, i was always against a wall for the reasons i have stated above

    although, walls work, try climbing up a wall of a three story building.

    they just are insulting.

  177. lisab says:

    Phil,

    as a lockean i fully support your right to put up a wall, trump won on that specific issue, elections matter

    i am just suggesting that it may not be a good neighbor policy

  178. CG says:

    I strongly disagree Trump won because of “The Wall.”

    He won because he wasn’t Hillary Clinton in a few key states she ignored.

    Looking at the 2016 exit polls-

    Only 13% cited immigration as their main issue

    As to the question of “The Wall” itself, 41 in favor 54 opposed among those who voted in 2016.

    70% of voters in 2016 also said illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. should be offered legal status. Only 25% agreed with the Trump position of deportation.

  179. lisab says:

    the wall was a key trump promise to his base

    he won, hillary lost. elections matter. you get to vote again in 2020.

    or alternatively scotus can back the dems in congress and say trump has no right to build the wall using money that was not specifically targeted for the wall

    otherwise trump probably will declare an emergency and the dems will vote to impeach and the wall gets built anyway

  180. lisab says:

    i personally think there is a 50-50 chance scotus will back the dems, even if rbg does not vote

  181. CG says:

    He wouldn’t have come close to winning with just his base. That’s a big reason why he looks like he might be in a ton of trouble for 2020.

    Americans simply do not want “The Wall.”

    In contrast, Americans were fine with Chick-Fil-A which you used to demand the government use their power to go after.

  182. CG says:

    Trump declares an “emergency”, a court puts an injunction on any wall. It is tied up for months or more in the courts. Nothing gets built. In the meantime, the government re-opens exactly the way Chuck and Nancy want it to.

  183. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 10, 2019 at 5:02 pm
    In other words you REALLY REALLY REALLY opposed Obama’s policies even though you never quite got around to verbalizing that opposition.
    Ok, got it. That clears it all up. Thanks.

    – Again, my goal has never been to prove my bona fides to you and it never will be. You’re a Tea Party conservative and you’re always going to be suspicious of me since I don’t embrace the hard right candidates you prefer.

    However, this forum is much different than it was during the Obama years. Then there was no dispute about how bad Obama’s presidency and his policies were so why memorialize it here when everyone already agreed with it?

    That’s not the case with Trump though. Plenty of conservatives here have cast aside their long held beliefs to support Trump and I’m simply not going to abide by that. You may be fine with the Republican Party turning into the cult of Trump and espousing populism, but I’m not. And I’m also going to continue to remind you that Trump is wrecking the Republican Party. Of course, I’m assuming you feel a 40 seat House loss is a bad thing.

    So if the measure of a conservative in your view is how often I wrote mean things about Obama, then you’re going to be disappointed. And if my measure of a conservative is seeing how often you have applied the same conservative critiques to Trump that you did to Obama, I’m going to be disappointed.

  184. lisab says:

    no, i said boston has the right to not give them a permit under the rules they have

    you have no right to a business license in boston

    i also fully support burlington’s right to grant them a license — which they did

  185. CG says:

    You called for every Chick Fil A to be shut down. Said they were immoral.

    I believe a phrase was maybe used, “their chicken tastes like hate” although as a vegetarian, I am not sure how you would know.

  186. Scooterboy says:

    Jim Acosta cracks me up.
    Makes the best case yet for a wall along the Southern border, without even realizing it.

  187. Big Joe says:

    Well folks it looks like the Prez is in a pickle.

    End the shutdown with no wall funding = base will revolt.

    Hold out for wall funding = keep base, alienate others.

    It’s a math equation at this point.

    He’s in a tough spot. I think he’s made the right calculation here if looking ahead to 2020. He has no hope of winning in 2020 if he loses his base. His only hope is to keep his base and then get enough Republicans to hold their nose again.

    I can definitely seem him declaring an emergency. Or perhaps he does nothing or vetoes, then gets overridden. That calculus would probably work for him too.

    Anything to keep the base.

    Big Joe

  188. lisab says:

    I believe a phrase was maybe used, “their chicken tastes like hate”
    ————————-

    that is a great line, and i am sure it was used, but not by me

    i actually have no objection to any city that wants to give “chik fil a” a license …

    just as i supported massachusetts allowing gay people to marry … our state our rules

  189. Robbie says:

    Big Joe says:
    January 10, 2019 at 5:59 pm
    His only hope is to keep his base and then get enough Republicans to hold their nose again.
    I can definitely seem him declaring an emergency. Or perhaps he does nothing or vetoes, then gets overridden. That calculus would probably work for him too.
    Anything to keep the base.
    Big Joe

    – He’ll declare an emergency because it makes him look tough and he gets a power to spend money however he wants. And trust me, he’ll use that power again before 2020.

    There will never be a veto override because Republicans remain petrified of Trump’s base and the power FoxNews has over them. If FoxNews turns on a Republican, that person is finished and none of them want to lose because they bucked Trump.

  190. Tina says:

    Ben Shapiro
    @benshapiro
    There are two questions regarding the border national emergency declaration:
    1. Is it legal?
    2. Even if it is, will it work?
    The answer to (1) is probably no. The answer to (2) is also probably no, since a court will enjoin Trump’s activity. Which means the strategy’s a cop-out.

    Poor little Benji

  191. Tina says:

    Ryan James Girdusky
    @RyanGirdusky
    Politico/Morning Consult Poll on Withdraw from Syria (Support/Oppose):
    Democrats – 29%/50%
    Indies – 44%/29%
    GOP – 73%/17%
    Registered voters – 49%/33%
    Whites – 51%/32%
    Blacks – 35%/42%
    Hispanic – 39%/36%
    Other – 39%/30%
    Military HH: 52%/35%
    Show this thread

    But muh syria.

  192. jason says:

    Imagine the MSM outrage if this had been done to Obama…

    “A staffer at local FOX affiliate Q13 has been fired after the station aired what appears to be a doctored video of President Donald Trump’s Tuesday night speech from the Oval Office.

    The video was changed to make it look as if Trump was sticking his tongue out languidly between sentences. In addition, the colors in the video look more saturated, leading the president’s skin and hair to appear more orange.

    During the speech, Trump said, “Hopefully, we can rise above partisan politics in order to support national security,” before briefly licking his lips and continuing to speak.

    In the video broadcast on Q13, it appears that Trump lets his tongue hang out, resting it on his lower lip for an unusually long time.

    “This does not meet our editorial standards and we regret if it is seen as portraying the president in a negative light,” Q13 news director Erica Hill wrote in an emailed statement early Thursday.”

  193. jason says:

    crews a porn star? No biggie even though we called for Clinton to resign in 1998 for getting a blow job.”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag really is an Amoral Scumbag.

    Trump purportedly had a consensual one night stand with a porn star a decade before he was President.

    Bill Clinton was carrying on an affair with an intern in the Oval Office while he was President, and don’t tell me a President having sex with a 22 year old intern is “consensual”.

    To an Amoral Scumbag I guess there is no difference.

  194. Tina says:

    Caleb Hull
    ?
    @CalebJHull
    Jim Acosta just posted one of the biggest self owns ever.

    He’s walking along the border where there’s a wall in place talking about how there’s nothing that “resembles a national emergency situation” and “there’s no migrants trying to rush.”

    That’s because there’s a wall, Jim.

    ***is Acosta that stupid?

  195. Tina says:

    TheBlaze
    Twitter › theblaze
    DEAR DIARY- Today I safely reported from behind a wall about why I just don’t understand the importance of walls. Also, I looked really good doing it. Yours always, Acosta

  196. Tina says:

    ambree Kawahine Koa
    @KamVTV
    UPDATE: Police say the three MS-13 members accused of stabbing a teen on Long Island all entered the U.S. illegally (link: https://abc7ny.com/police-undocumented-ms-13-members-stab-attack-li-teen/5045829/) abc7ny.com/police-undocum…

    But we do not have a crisis. /s

  197. Hunter says:

    POTUS must declare the emergency. There is no other option. Dems can sue all they want. Who cares. Remember Andrew Jackson?

    He should not let any judges stop him. There will be lawsuits. He should plow ahead and run roughshod over judges and tell them to go to Hell, because they have no police power. It has only been on loan by tradition from the Executive Branch. Only that branch has police power to execute laws. At that point he should strip them of police power so their orders and injunctions and rulings mean nothing. Then if the recourse of impeachment is attempted, well then its yellow jacket time.

  198. lisab says:

    No biggie even though we called for Clinton to resign in 1998 for getting a blow job.”
    —————-

    actually it was for lying under oath

  199. Tina says:

    @MarkSKrikorian
    Cher demands Pelosi end partial government shutdown, fund border wall: ‘DON’T DIE ON THIS HILL’ (link: https://fxn.ws/2FjbgVq) fxn.ws/2FjbgVq Hello, Jared, are you paying attention?

  200. Paul says:

    Heil Hunter.

  201. NYCmike says:

    “Heil Hunter.”

    -Paul,

    PLEASE, PLEASE, especially if “CG” is around, show how Trump telling the judges to take a hike, that he will build a wall to help keep out people like MS-13 members who kill and terrorize American citizens, legal immigrants AND illegal immigrants, is any way shape or form the same as Hitler doing what he did in Germany, as well as in other countries.

    You are one sick dude!

  202. NYCmike says:

    “Poor little Benji”

    -Not getting your criticism of Shapiro, unless you did NOT hear what he prefers Trump to do.

    Shapiro supports, and wants, Trump to remain steadfast in keeping the government closed, and allow the policy and political differences to manifest themselves.

    He feels the emergency route is the wrong thing to do.

    Stunning revesral since his initial #NeverTrumper attitude!

    I LIKE HIM EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF IT!

  203. Wes says:

    You know, Trump didn’t exactly make the most compelling case possible for the wall Tuesday, but he did better than Pelosi and Schumer in getting his point across.

    Steve King is undermining Trump with his ridiculous musings on the original of the negative connotation of white supremacy though.

    Primary King and get rid of that asshat.

  204. NYCmike says:

    “”Well, that’s because we are conversing/fighting with those of you who like him or abide him.”

    -This is, to put it simply, WRONG.

    There are several camps here, maybe even more than I list below.

    1) those who like everything Trump does. (I do not include myself in this category)

    2) those who like what Trump does at least 75-90% of the time (Put myself here).

    3) those who are on the fence but are inclined to support the Republican President since they recognize that the alternative of him losing 2016 would have had much larger repercussions.

    4) Democrats

    5) 2 people who constantly say they are “conservative Republicans” but hate Trump for whatever reason they dream up in their head, despite the fact that much of what he has done in certain areas would have been done, or tried, by any other Republican nominee, as well as making a huge turnaround from policies implemented by President Obama, who those same 2 people said they oppose with all of their heart body and soul!

  205. Tina says:

    NYC,

    Benji appears to believe that he cannot issue a national emergency period. If that is his belief, then Benji is wrong.

    Legally, he can issue one. The issue becomes whether he can use funds for it, I believe he can given the federal law and the secure fence act.

  206. Tina says:

    If he does the national emergency, then have the military construct the walls or barriers.

    It would be cheaper and done more quickly.

  207. NYCmike says:

    King went over the line.

    The Texas situation is just plain wrong…..except if there is some proof that someone can show that the Muslim person was engaging in other activities which he tried to keep hidden due to the nature of those activities.

    Also, Feinstein, and any other person who says membership in a KofC is potentially disqualifying should be ashamed………again, except if there is some proof that someone can show that said person was engaging in other activities which they tried to keep hidden due to the nature of those activities.

  208. Tina says:

    There are more reports today a vacancy on the SC.

  209. lisab says:

    6.) people who enjoy consistently mocking 2 people who constantly say they are “conservative Republicans” but hate Trump for whatever reason they dream up in their head, despite the fact that much of what he has done in certain areas would have been done, or tried, by any other Republican nominee, as well as making a huge turnaround from policies implemented by President Obama, who those same 2 people said they oppose with all of their heart body and soul!

  210. Phil says:

    I’d say You have those categories about right, Mike. As far as the two in category 5 being “conservative” Republicans as they claim I used to buy that but haven’t for some time with respect to Robbie. His claim of being a “conservative” Republican is pure BS. He’ll say we believe that because we’re going off of his constant criticism of Trump. That’s not it. The fact that he’s gone three years without an ounce of criticism toward any Democrat or Democratic talking point tells me all I need to know. I’m here every day and not a peep out of him regarding anything negative about the left. Nada. Zilch. Does nothing but mouth MSM talking points. Give me a break.

  211. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    Thank you for helping me with the varied posters on HHR!

  212. lisab says:

    ed buck, donor to the dems

    caught on camera giving meth to third black man

  213. NYCmike says:

    ” The fact that he’s gone three years without an ounce of criticism toward any Democrat or Democratic talking point tells me all I need to know.”

    -You noticed that as well?*

    *Ok, I’ll give him one shout-out, Robbie hung tough for Kavanaugh…….until he didn’t.

  214. NYCmike says:

    #217 – WTF!?!

  215. NYCmike says:

    WTF, BUCK?!?

  216. Tina says:

    We need to ask

    Ted Lie Lieu and Schiff for Brains what is going on in Ed Bucks Apartment?

  217. lisab says:

    A man has told how he narrowly escaped death when Hillary Clinton donor Edward Buck injected him with crystal meth at his sex-toy filled apartment – where two black men have died within 18 months.

    Jermaine Gagnon, 28, told DailyMailTV how Buck, 63, paid to fly him from Minnesota to Los Angeles, drugged him with a substance dissolved in Gatorade then injected him with crystal meth at his West Hollywood apartment.

    And Gagnon shared pictures which show Buck, wearing white long johns, crouched over him on the mattress of a pullout bed during one of their nights together, as well as the ‘toolbox’ of sex toys he produced during their encounter.

    Buck is now under investigation over the deaths of a black man in his 50s at his apartment in the early hours of Monday morning this week, and a second investigation into the death of Gemmel Moore 18 months ago has been reopened, after being closed for lack of evidence.

  218. Cash Cow TM says:

    Been watching Walt paint the interior of the house the last two days.

    But i did find out WHO will BE the 2020 Dem. Presidential nominee….

    Richard Ojeda!
    Is RESIGNING from his seat as a WV State Senator and HEADING TO IOWA..

    The same Richard Ojeda who ran for U.S. congress in WV CD3 and got thrashed by (then) [WV House of
    Delegates] Delegate Carol Miller who is now representing WV in D.C.
    ***********************************
    http://wvmetronews.com/2019/01/10/fiery-senator-ojeda-tells-colleagues-hes-leaving-for-presidential-bid/

  219. lisab says:

    guess which politician decided that

    honour killings

    should not be called “barbaric”,

    because that would be “pejorative”?

    (so many choices come to mind, but only one is a winner)

  220. NYCmike says:

    7) Ca$h Cow

  221. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    (I looked it up)

    Will cccpCory make an appearance to answer that question?

  222. lisab says:

    judging from the pictures on daily mail,

    if ed buck was not about to go to prison

    he would need to go to a kennel,

    because he is one sick puppy.

  223. lisab says:

    8.) 101% canadians

  224. lisab says:

    Six GOP Senators Offer to Trade Amnesties for Border Wall plus Cheap Labor

    The six GOP Senators included Graham, North Carolina’s Thom Tillis, Tennessee’s Lamar Alexander, Ohio’s Rob Portman, Alaska’s Lisa Murkowski, and Maine’s Susan Collins.

  225. Bitterlaw says:

    205 would be more powerful if NYC also criticized Tina for her Fuhrer posts.

    Hunter calling to reduce the government from 3 to 2 branches was scary.

  226. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6578925/Tim-Tebow-gets-engaged-girlfriend-Demi-Leigh-Nel-Peters.html

    Jason hardest hit. Tim found somebody who loves him more than Jason does. I hope Tim and his future wife have a happy life together.

  227. lisab says:

    even worse news for cg

    jay cutler supported trump in 2016

  228. lisab says:

    Cutler was the first Bears player to publicly endorse Trump since he defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.

  229. lisab says:

    Grisly Mexican gang battle near U.S. border leaves 21 dead

  230. lisab says:

    internet rumour

    rbg to resign tomorrow (friday)

    most likely untrue, but it is the rumour

  231. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Looks like Bernie may get tripped up in a “Me Too” scandal:

    “Sanders’ critics in the Democratic Party — and many remain three years after his heated feud with Clinton — seized on the new revelations as reason to abandon any 2020 plans.

    “These allegations inform us that Bernie is really not concerned about the well-being of women. And therefore, he would not represent us well as the president,” said Toni Van Pelt, president of the National Organization for Women. “I really think Bernie needs to sit down.””

    Sanders’ vast political network does not agree.
    Several groups allied with the Vermont senator have ramped up activities in recent days to bolster a likely presidential bid. Our Revolution launched a “Run Bernie Run” online campaign and petition drive on Wednesday while groups like People for Bernie Sanders and Organizing for Bernie plan to host nearly 400 events across the country on Saturday encouraging a second run.”

    If Bernie’s candidacy goes down, then the far leftists are going to have to go with a lesser know radical. It may help Biden to a degree, but while Biden may be more electable, Democratic primary voters may not favor him. A key reason Hillary won the nomination over Bernie was African-American voters favored her. This may not be the case with Biden, as there may be other options for AA voters.

  232. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, Trump is making a good political move in bringing the border security issue to a head quickly. If some sort of compromise is reached, or there is some other solution that is accepted, then one of his most his divisive issues will be put behind him by the 2020 election. It also puts the burden on the Democrats now to put forward an alternative, which they may not be able to agree to as the more extreme Democrats want what amounts to “open borders.”

  233. Tina says:

    https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-kusi-for-local-view-on-the-border-declines-our-reporter-after-finding-out-wall-works/

    Cn and n refused KUSI reporter. Kusi is out of San Diego,

    They report that the wall works there.

    As mentioned, you need to read the local reports where new barriers have been done, I cited the Yuma and El Paso papers previously,

  234. Tina says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 11, 2019 at 12:47 am
    205 would be more powerful if NYC also criticized Tina for her Fuhrer posts.

    Why, I am not calling mulehead a Fuhrer? I am referring to some of his tactics. Some of them would appear to come out of Hitlers Germany, the Soviet Union, or the mad mullahs.

  235. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    NEW: Democracy Integrity Project, the non-profit linked to Fusion GPS, Chris Steele and Soros, worked on a 2018 mid-term project with New Knowledge, the tech firm implicated in the Alabama ‘false flag’ operation. (link: https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/10/fusion-gps-russia-false-flag/) dailycaller.com/2019/01/10/fus… via
    @dailycaller

  236. Messy says:

    You mean the same “Daily Caller” that perpetrated the Alexandra Occasio Cortez “nude selfie” hoax?

  237. Paul says:

    205: My “Heil Hunter” statement was directed at Hunter’s idea that only the executive branch has police powers and authority. And any authority that the judicial branch has should be stripped from them.

    Fortunately, Trump has not spoken of anything precisely that extreme.

  238. jason says:

    Tim Tebow is going to marry Miss Universe.

    ESPN doing research so they can trash him about it.

  239. jason says:

    Dang, I saw Bitter already posted the Tim Tebow scoop.

    A-hole.

  240. jason says:

    There is no soda tax in York, if you buy the 128 oz Coke you get a 96 oz free.

  241. jason says:

    According to Schumer, the problem isn’t Trump it’s Meadows.

    SCHUMER: Yeah, Congressman Meadows from North Carolina. He’s one of 40 of the most right-wing congressmen. They shouldn’t be governing America, but Trump is letting them do it because he’s afraid to lose his base.

  242. Bitterlaw says:

    My son goes to school in Philadelphia. I smuggle untaxed soda into him regularly.

    Wait. Somebody is at the door. Mayor Kenney? Nooooooooooooo.

  243. lisab says:

    I guess some people really want to tell their story to the world.
    —————————-

    she said that she could have been blinded …

    i don’t think she is using it right

  244. lisab says:

    TRUMP WHITE HOUSE REPORTEDLY ON R.B.G. DEATHWATCH

  245. Bitterlaw says:

    Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.

    I wonder if True Conservatives Corey and Robbie are racing to DC to donate blood and organs to keep her alive. I bet Corey would tip out his own heart to give it to her so Trump can’t make another SCOTUS pick.

  246. NYCmike says:

    “According to Schumer, the problem isn’t Trump it’s Meadows.”

    -Schumer is very smart to do that.

    Wes and Waingro will be joining Robbie and “CG” shortly once they hear a name from the HFC is involved.

  247. NYCmike says:

    I want Justice Ginsburg to live a long life…….enjoying her children and grandchildren on a daily basis.

    Retire, rehabilitate, #resist…..as a private citizen!

  248. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1083752262361587714

    -Tina may have posted this earlier.

    I’ll wait to hear what the truth is by seeing what Robbie or “CG” does…..if they bring it up again, then hannity had bad sources………if they ignore it, then Hannity got it right.

  249. lisab says:

    I wonder if True Conservatives Corey and Robbie are racing to DC to donate blood and organs to keep her alive.
    ———————-

    or preparing a weekend at bernies’ scenario

  250. lisab says:

    Congressional Democrats are ditching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s ardent opposition to any barrier or wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, as the partial government shutdown continues and President Donald Trump takes his case directly to the border itself.

    ““If we have a partial wall, if we have fencing, if we have technology used to keep our border safe, all of that is fine,” Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL), the chairwoman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), said on CNN.

  251. lisab says:

    BREAKING: Democrats approve border wall after shocking” photo of Mexican smuggling straws into California

  252. NYCmike says:

    I keep seeing reports about reduced illegal crossings from the parts of the border where newer walls have been built.

    Waiting for “CG” to alert us to why that means that walls don’t really work in 3…..2…..1…..

  253. NYCmike says:

    Also, reports about Ivanka’s husband getting involved with border wall negotiations…….I would love it if he and his wife and kids would go on a vacation, at least for a small amount of time.

  254. lisab says:

    Police say a New Jersey man fought off an unwanted house visitor by using the suspect’s own gun, ultimately killing him.

  255. lisab says:

    who said,

    “You know, India is one of the oldest, if not the oldest, democracy in the world,”?

    so many possibilities, but only one answer is correct.

  256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    261. “Also, reports about Ivanka’s husband getting involved with border wall negotiations…….I would love it if he and his wife and kids would go on a vacation, at least for a small amount of time.”

    Jared Kushner is Trump’s chief confidant and negotiator. He is involved because Trump trusts him and wants him there.

  257. Wes says:

    India isn’t even a democracy. It’s a republic. The Free Beacon says the US is the oldest democracy in the world, but we are also a republic.

  258. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Yup, realize that.

  259. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    264. Am reminded during the 2016 election campaign of how Kushner fired Manafort at Trump’s direction:

    “Kushner pressed him and said it ‘would be helpful if you stepped down’.
    Manafort resisted and said: ‘Yes, but I can’t do that’.
    The book says: ‘At this Kushner’s demeanour hardened and he glanced at his watch. ‘We’re putting out a press release at 9am that says you’ve resigned. That’s in 30 seconds’.”

  260. Wes says:

    Of course the Free Beacon is further wrong is saying the US is the world’s oldest extant “democracy” (actually republic). Founded in San Marino in AD 301, San Marino is the world’s oldest republic by far. Despite usually retaining figurehead monarchies, several European countries shifted to republican governments in the centuries before the US became an independent nation.

  261. lisab says:

    jeff flake has joined cbs

  262. lisab says:

    india was a republic well before san marino …

    or so it is said

  263. jason says:

    Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    Why?

    Frankly I find it disgusting.

  264. NYCmike says:

    I texted a buddy this morning:

    “Build the Wall? or Open the Government?”

    My friend texted back:

    “The government is shut?”

  265. NYCmike says:

    Who is this “Frank Ly”, and what did he do that was so disgusting?

  266. jason says:

    Bloomberg said he will self fund a campaign for President.

    I hope he realizes the Dem base would never trust him no matter how far to the left he moves and runs as an Indy.

    The moonbats would vote for a moonbat like Kamala, the more moderate Dems and most of the Indies would vote for Bloomberg, and Trump would win with his 40% base.

    Perfect.

  267. jason says:

    BREAKING: Democrats approve border wall after shocking” photo of Mexican smuggling straws into California”

    LOL

  268. Messy says:

    268. That’s a myth. the Emperor Diocletian would NEVER have countenaced such a thing.

    Trump: “‘We want Congress to do its job,’ Trump said during a White House event on border security, adding that Democratic lawmakers ‘should come back and vote.’ ”

    It looks like the president has thrown Mitch McConnell under the bus.

  269. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron chimes in with his trademark factually inaccurate posts, I see.

  270. Wes says:

    Somehow I doubt Jason would find it disgusting if a long-serving conservative Justice defied ill health to ensure a liberal Dem President could appoint a replacement.

  271. Wes says:

    Jason, Bloomberg isn’t planning to run as an Indy. He intends to run in the Dem primaries.

    So much for his splitting the anti-Trump vote.

  272. lisab says:

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg will miss arguments for second week

  273. NYCmike says:

    “Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg will miss arguments for second week”

    -Asked this earlier in week…..didn’t Rehnquist miss time when he had cancer?

    I want her off the Supreme Court even more than “CG” and Robbie want her to outlast Trump, but if Rehnquist can be excused while recuperating, I don’t see why RBG can’t have the same.

  274. Tina says:

    The Socialist Son wants Oprah-beta male.

  275. lisab says:

    i just heard an excellent point on the radio

    why do cnn, msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs etc. have so many “experts” that all say the same thing and all have the same opinions and all come to the same conclusions?

    wouldn’t it be cheaper just to pay one “expert”?

  276. lisab says:

    “In the last 7 years 4000 illegal aliens have been incarcerated for sexual assault, 62% were against children”

  277. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Jason forgets that I prize bitter and vindictive behavior. Ginsburg is flaming lib and I hope Trump replaces her with Barrett.

  278. Tgca says:

    The country is so divided right now that maybe it’s not so bad if a Supreme Court Justice sets a good example by missing some arguments. Who is Ginsberg arguing with anyway and over what?

  279. janz says:

    Dems Becoming The Party of Drugs and Thugs.   So true!  The temper tantrums being reported are certainly more numerous within the ranks of the opposition to the wall than their counterpart.

    Lisab, that’s an astounding stat, regarding the 4000 number cited. Do you have a link?

  280. janz says:

    Thanks for the link, lisab!

    Just noticed that Tulsi Gabbard, a congresswoman from HI, says she’s running for president in 2020. She’s ex-military. articulate, not too crazy, pretty, and IMO has real potential in making a decent run in the upcoming election.

  281. janz says:

    Here’s an analysis of Gabbard via Legal Insurrection’s POV. It provides the good, the bad. and the rather disturbing sides to this 36 year old politician.

  282. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    At present, I would say there are four major Democratic candidates. Biden, Sanders, O’Rourke, Harris. Warren is close, but don’t consider her a major candidate.

    +Would say Biden is the front runner.

    +Harris is likely to pull a good share of the female & African-American vote. Plus the California primary is early next year. Her candidacy could take off early. She is not that charismatic of a candidate.

    +Don’t see O’Rourke having a long political shelf life; he is getting old quick. His trip to the dentist video made him look silly.

    +Sanders had his day in the sun. He will look like a cranky old man against younger candidates; he needs Hillary as an opponent again.

    My educated guess at this point, which is far too early to be worth much, would be a Biden-Harris ticket.

  283. jason says:

    I asked Amos Stoltzfuss if he had been affected by the government shutdown.

    He said Gertrude, one of his best milkers, was off at least 2 gallons the last couple days.

    I told him I didn’t think there was a connection.

    He looked relieved.

  284. jason says:

    jason, Bloomberg isn’t planning to run as an Indy. He intends to run in the Dem primaries.

    So much for his splitting the anti-Trump vote.”

    I didn’t say he was running as an Indy, I said he was self funding his campaign and I HOPED he would realize the Dem base would never vote for him and thus switch to running as Independent.

  285. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “Ivanka Trump would be the greatest leader of the World Bank ever. Period!”

    The Daily Beast
    @thedailybeast

    Ivanka Trump is reportedly under consideration to lead the World Bank

  286. jason says:

    why do cnn, msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs etc. have so many “experts” that all say the same thing and all have the same opinions and all come to the same conclusions?”

    Yes, Amoral Scumbag and CG were smart enough to realize that, and so they turns here regurgitating the MSM’s talking points, much more efficient.

  287. Robbie says:

    When I read this story, I was reminded of the one in the Spring of 2017 where Jared Kushner asked the Russians to help him establish a secure communication with the Kremlin that the CIA couldn’t intercept.

    The New York Times
    @nytimes

    President Trump’s actions so alarmed the FBI after James Comey’s firing that it began investigating if he was working on behalf of Russia

    https://t.co/3w00Xx7Bhu

  288. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 10:46 am
    why do cnn, msnbc, nbc, abc, cbs etc. have so many “experts” that all say the same thing and all have the same opinions and all come to the same conclusions?”
    Yes, Amoral Scumbag and CG were smart enough to realize that, and so they turns here regurgitating the MSM’s talking points, much more efficient.

    – Jason fraud – “Donald Trump is the most perfect person to ever walk the face of the planet. I know I hated him ever day of the campaign, refused to vote for him, and left the party over him, but his fluke win made me do a 180 and love everything about him. The concept of “principle” left my vocabulary with my new found lust of Trump.

    In fact, I know think every man should screw porn stars just months after the third wife gave birth. In fact, the real scumbags are people like Mitt Romney who have had just one wife their entire life and have never cheated on their marriage vows. Scumbags are the ones who have the temerity to note that conservatives have never found martial affairs or pornography to be a good lifestyle. Trump, to whom I know pray to every night, has reinvented what decency is.

    Also, Donald Trump was right. The Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan was a good thing. They were there to deal with terrorism. They were not there to prop up a failing coup they supported in 1979 as Ronald Reagan and the world said. These are just lies spread by globalists. I get my news from Putin, and honest and decent nationalist.”

  289. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “Lou Dobbs is one of the greatest political thinkers of our time. Not only was he right when he called Mitt Romney treasonous and a traitor last week, just the other day he rightly concluded Trump should declare a state of emergency to get rid of Democrats in Washington DC.

    MAGA has opened so many doors for me. The constitution I defended during the Obama years is outdated. We must now give Trump special authority to govern without any interference from the Congress. Of course when there’s a Democrat president in 2021, I will change my view again. However, MAGA and Trumpism, my new guiding principles, allow for changing beliefs.”

  290. jason says:

    Somehow I doubt Jason would find it disgusting if a long-serving conservative Justice defied ill health to ensure a liberal Dem President could appoint a replacement.”

    Zzzzzzzz…

    Ginsburg is no longer fit for being on SCOTUS and is hanging on just for political purposes, and by her statements has admitted as much. She has abandoned any pretense of fulfilling her role as justice”

    “The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution”

    Her allegiances are to left wing partisan politics and the Democratic Party, not the law or the constitution.

    I don’t see anything admirable in that.

    This is the real reason Ginsburg won’t do the right thing and resign. TDS. She is on record, as a SCOTUS judge that she should move to New Zealand if Trump got elected.

    Referring to something she thought her late husband, tax lawyer Martin Ginsburg, would have said, she said: “Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand.”

    “He is a faker,” she said of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, going point by point, as if presenting a legal brief. “He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego. … How has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? The press seems to be very gentle…

    “I can’t imagine what this place would be — I can’t imagine what the country would be — with Donald Trump as our president,”

    Political bias is not new to SCOTUS, but in the past justices have at least maintained a certain decorum regarding their views and couched them in a legal framework. By insulting Trump with personal attacks, she assumed the role of political attack dog.

    Again, not “admirable” in that.

  291. jason says:

    I know I hated him ever day of the campaign, refused to vote for him, and left the party over him, ”

    Poor bastard. Sometimes I feel sorry for Amoral Scumbag.

    Must be tough still living in the fantasy world of the 2016 primaries where Jeb Bush was a “juggernaut”, “clear the field” and “suck up all the money” viable candidate for President.

    You know, the world where Rubio (and 16 other Rs) would “never run against Jeb” world.

    What a sad and pathetic small minded soul.

    So bitter and defeated, now claiming to “look forward” to a socialist President.

    Trump may have a lot of faults, but he has more integrity than Amoral Scumbag will ever have.

    That must really hurt.

  292. jason says:

    “Not admirable in that”.

    More coffee.

  293. Robbie says:

    Predictably, Jason fraud once again ignored that he hated Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for him, and left the party over him only to become one of his biggest cheerleaders. And just as predictably, Jason fraud attacked poor old Jeb when confronted with his own lack of principles. Deflection much?

  294. Robbie says:

    Where has chicon gone? I haven’t seen him here since just before election day when he mocked me for suggesting Republicans in the House were facing a wipeout.

    Were his duties to Mother Russia fulfilled after the election just as Jonesy (remember him from 2017) were after good ole Roy was defeated?

  295. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag is so deranged that he has even dropped his false front of moral outrage at Trump’s behavior to the point of defending Bill Clinton for only “getting a blow job”.

    He actually compared a purported one night stand a decade before he even became President (which Trump denies) to Bill Clinton, who admitted an affair with an intern in the Oval Office and who was impeached and disbarred for lying under oath.

    It just shows Amoral Scumbag is not offended by Trump’s behavior at all, by defending Clinton’s behavior as only a “blow job” he shows he has the moral fiber of a floating turd.

  296. Robbie says:

    I see Jason fraud has resorted to lying. In 1998, I supported the impeachment and removal of Bill Clinton from office. His lewd behavior degraded the office of the presidency. I didn’t even need to know he perjured himself or obstructed justice. Receiving oral sex from a young intern was disgraceful and he should have done the honorable thing and resigned.

  297. Robbie says:

    Old hotness from Jason fraud during the Obama years – At a minimum, we should expect morality and decency from a president.

    New hotness from Jason fraud during the Trump years – Who cares about a one night stand, lying about it, or paying off the porn star just days before the election? Morality is for suckers until there’s a democrat president and then it will matter again.

  298. jason says:

    redictably, Jason fraud once again ignored that he hated Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for him, and left the party over him”

    Still repeating the same old lies.

    I didn’t leave the party over Trump.

    I opposed Trump during the primaries for 2 reasons. I didn’t think he was fit for office and I thought he would lose to Hillary.

    After he won, I did what anyone who is not petty, small minded, vindictive and amoral would do. I supported Trump where it is in the interest of the country and conservative values.

    Judicial appointments both Scotus and federal courts. Opposition to global warming hype. Lower taxes. Energy policy that favors domestic production and end of the war on coal. Rebuilding the military. Summit with North Korea. Exposing the MSM for its partisanship and dishonesty. Deregulation.

    Trump deserves credit and support for all of this.

    I have opposed Trump on his trade policies, his naive statements on NATO and other foreign policy issues, his self defeating attacks on fellow Republicans, and his insistence on a physical wall which does not make sense economically and is not necessary or practical.

    In other words, far from being a “Trump cheerleader” I have taken a balanced approach, acknowledging the fact Trump won and supporting him where it makes sense and opposing him where it doesn’t.

  299. jason says:

    Who cares about a one night stand, lying about it, or paying off the porn star just days before the election? ”

    You are right. I don’t care if Trump had or didn’t have a one night stand a decade before he was President.

    I don’t care if he had a non-disclosure agreement, these things are done by wealthy people all the time for all kinds of reasons and there is nothing illegal about them.

    There are much more important issues to dwell upon than Trump’s purported one night stand long before he was ever even a candidate.

    The fact you falsely allege to be offended by this shows you are an Amoral Scumbag.

  300. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud – “I know Trump is going to lose badly in 2020, cost Republicans more seats in the House, and probably give Democrats control of the Senate, but we must renominate him because of X, Y, and Z even though we’d have gotten all of the things I like with another Republican who isn’t corrupt, insane, and a total jerk. Trump has earned the right to destroy the party and anyone who dares challenge him, like Mitt Romney, is a scumbag.”

  301. Wes says:

    Of course as is typical for him, Jason—despite cutting and pasting exactly what I said—responded to an argument I didn’t make. I never said Ginsburg was admirable or honorable in any way.

    I simply said Jason wouldn’t find it “disgusting”—the word he used—if a conservative Justice facing increasing health problems refused to step down so as to ensure a Dem President couldn’t appoint a replacement.

    I said nothing more than that. I offered no commentary on Ginsburg’s stubborn refusal to resign while Trump is President. Being unable to counter what I said, Jason had to create a pointless argument nowhere present in my post to respond to.

  302. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 11:46 am
    Who cares about a one night stand, lying about it, or paying off the porn star just days before the election? ”
    You are right. I don’t care if Trump had or didn’t have a one night stand a decade before he was President.
    I don’t care if he had a non-disclosure agreement, these things are done by wealthy people all the time for all kinds of reasons and there is nothing illegal about them.
    There are much more important issues to dwell upon than Trump’s purported one night stand long before he was ever even a candidate.
    The fact you falsely allege to be offended by this shows you are an Amoral Scumbag.

    – But mommy, other rich people are doing it! That makes it ok.

  303. Robbie says:

    And just for the record Jason fraud, I am disgusted and offended by Trump’s behavior. I know that is a foreign concept to someone like you whose concept of right and wrong is so malleable and can be swayed simply be whether someone has a R or a D after the name.

  304. jason says:

    Old hotness from Jason fraud during the Obama years – At a minimum, we should expect morality and decency from a president.”

    LOL

    Put that on the list of things for Amoral Scumbag to search for.

    A post where I commented on Obama’s “morality” and “decency”.

    Obama was a pathological liar and fraud, completely unqualified for the Presidency, and an unmitigated disaster policy wise.

    I never commented on his “decency” or “morality”.

  305. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 12, 2019 at 11:46 am
    Of course as is typical for him, Jason—despite cutting and pasting exactly what I said—responded to an argument I didn’t make. I never said Ginsburg was admirable or honorable in any way.
    I simply said Jason wouldn’t find it “disgusting”—the word he used—if a conservative Justice facing increasing health problems refused to step down so as to ensure a Dem President couldn’t appoint a replacement.
    I said nothing more than that. I offered no commentary on Ginsburg’s stubborn refusal to resign while Trump is President. Being unable to counter what I said, Jason had to create a pointless argument nowhere present in my post to respond to.

    – Trumpism is a degenerative disorder and Jason fraud is a perfect example of that. Don’t expect anything other than lies and deflections from him. And as the news gets worse and worse for Trump and Republicans, expect more and more lies and deflections from him.

  306. jason says:

    And just for the record Jason fraud, I am disgusted and offended by Trump’s behavior.”

    Liar.

    You have the moral fiber of a floating turd, you would be completely incapable of being offended by Trump’s behavior because you are a low life scumbag.

  307. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 11:52 am
    Obama was a pathological liar and fraud, completely unqualified for the Presidency, and an unmitigated disaster policy wise.
    I never commented on his “decency” or “morality”.

    – So based on that view, then you must also believe the same for Trump since he’s also a pathological liar, a fraud, and completely unqualified for the presidency. Cool.

  308. jason says:

    f course as is typical for him, Jason—despite cutting and pasting exactly what I said—responded to an argument I didn’t make. I never said Ginsburg was admirable or honorable in any way.”

    Hilarious.

    I never said you said Ginsburg was admirable, that was in response to Bitter’s comment:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 11, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    This from wes who claimed I said Bloomberg was running as an Indy, when all I said was that IF he did it would be good for Trump.

  309. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 11:54 am
    And just for the record Jason fraud, I am disgusted and offended by Trump’s behavior.”
    Liar.
    You have the moral fiber of a floating turd, you would be completely incapable of being offended by Trump’s behavior because you are a low life scumbag.

    – It’s important to remind everyone Jason fraud believes I’m an amoral turd because I was offended by Trump’s disgusting personal behavior. Jason fraud, regrettably, is unable to comprehend that anyone might be offended by a man who screwed a porn star just months after his third wife gave birth to their only son. For Jason fraud, all that matters is whether someone has a R or a D after the name.

  310. jason says:

    Funny how Amoral Scumbag never had a problem with Obama lying his ass off for 8 years, but suddenly its a big problem with Trump.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    This is exactly the MSM’s position. Obama was a paragon of virtue, Trump is a liar.

  311. jason says:

    For Jason fraud, all that matters is whether someone has a R or a D after the name.”

    LOL

    Considering I always said Trump was not a Republican or a conservative this is truly funny.

    And yes, I don’t believe your opposition to Trump is because he might have had a one night stand a decade before he was President. You know that is a lie.

    Try the fact he kicked Jeb Bush’s ass.

    THAT is the real reason.

  312. dblaikie says:

    I believe that Ruth will be off the court soon, not because of what the Trump Administration in doing, but because they have made movie about her. She now belongs to the Hollywood Propaganda machine.

  313. janz says:

    Tina, so many FBI, DOJ, State Dept. missteps, abuses, cover-ups etc have been either exposed or alluded to, over the past few years, yet nothing happens but a dribble of incriminating lines in a press release. I expect the same from the link you posted, with the only caveat being if the info involved something that was anti-Trump.

  314. Tina says:

    Janz, now we learn that Fuhrer Mulehead was the insurance plan.

    This is a coup and it must be put down,

  315. dblaikie says:

    Well so far the Dems have put up a phony from Massachusetts, a loon from Hawaii, and a socialist from Texas.

    Their favorite candidates are two old libs who may not be all there by 2020. A guy from Texas who seems to think people like seeing his teeth with a dental hygienist and a women from California who always comes across as plain mean and frankly not all that smart.

    Sorry Wes, but 2020 is looking pretty good for Trump.

  316. lisab says:

    23% of Federal inmates are illegal immigrants. Border arrests are up 240%. In the Great State of Texas, between 2011 & 2018, there were a total of 292,000 crimes by illegal aliens, 539 murders, 32,000 assaults, 3,426 sexual assaults and 3000 weapons charges.

  317. jason says:

    A little bit of an overreach….

    “It’s time to shut down the FBI.”

  318. lisab says:

    i would vote against warren …

    even for trump

    even if she is the vp candidate

  319. jason says:

    Sorry Wes, but 2020 is looking pretty good for Trump.”

    Unfortunately I thought it looked good for Rs when Dems nominated a glorified community rabble rouser who had never even run a lemonade stand and had the most undistinguished tenure as an obscure state senator and 2 years of an accidental Senate tenure where he got to run against a complete nutcase.

  320. jason says:

    Wow, Trump has the vote of ex Never Trumpers like jason and Utopian Socialists like lisab.

    How could he lose….

  321. lisab says:

    in comparison,

    i would not vote for hillary, so i voted for stein

    but i WOULD vote against warren

  322. jason says:

    Does anyone know of anyone who voted for Trump but says they will definitely not vote for him next time around?

    We definitely have people here at HHR that didn’t vote for Trump and will vote for him in 2020, but so far not one person who voted for him has said they will not vote for him next time around.

    It’s anecdotal but I would like to see a poll showing how many Trump voters would now abandon him and how many Never Trumpers would now vote for him to see what the net change in his overall support is.

  323. Wes says:

    DB, you’re assuming I want 2020 to look bad for Trump. I’ve already determined I’m not concerned about his political fate one way or the other. I’ve only analyzed election results and Trump’s public persona to conclude the likelihood of his loss next year.

    As for your own analysis of things, you actually declared 2018 would be a year when Republicans would gain seats in the House before scaling your prediction back to a minor loss because Trump had somehow changed the dynamics of electoral politics.

    Actually in the final part of your analysis you were absolutely correct.

    Trump proved a President can be such a grating figure to the general populace he can cause his party to lose seats on the scale of 1930, 1958, and 1974 in a cycle marked by solid economic growth and noteworthy accomplishments by the Administration even when voters sympathetic to the President show up to vote en masse. That had literally never happened before 2018.

    Thus, I give you credit. You said Trump had changed the dynamics of American electoral politics. It just wasn’t in the way you thought.

    Of course I would not encourage or advise your continued smugness about 2020. If Dems could beat Republicans once when the GOP turned out with Trump off the ballot, then when Trump is on the ballot to serve as a direct outlet for their rage then they can beat him directly rather than indirectly even if Republicans turn out.

  324. dblaikie says:

    Wes, you misunderstand me, I am not smug. By my own admission Trump needs the support of people who don’t like him but won’t support dem policies. That is a not a great place to be. Thus Trump is totally dependent on two things — keeping his base, and pursuing policies and appointments that separate him from the dems. But have also factored in that the power of incumbency is powerful as well as a large war chest. All I have said it is way too early too count him out — especially when I peruse the Democratic field.

    Wes I give you credit for 2018! You were far better than I in predicting the outcome for the Congress. I let my heart lord it over my brain. Not smart in political posting. It is sort of funny, because I think you have sort of been too smug about 2020.

  325. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm
    Well so far the Dems have put up a phony from Massachusetts, a loon from Hawaii, and a socialist from Texas.
    Their favorite candidates are two old libs who may not be all there by 2020. A guy from Texas who seems to think people like seeing his teeth with a dental hygienist and a women from California who always comes across as plain mean and frankly not all that smart.
    Sorry Wes, but 2020 is looking pretty good for Trump.

    – LOL. A president with a 42% job approval rating looks pretty good for 2020 says no one. Do you understand anything about politics and what the job approval rating means for an incumbent president and his party?

  326. Robbie says:

    The power of incumbency means nothing when the president is despised by more than 55% of the nation and only seems to cater the his hard core base. Of course, I’m assuming most here realize a president needs more than 42% to win nationally.

  327. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    333. “Does anyone know of anyone who voted for Trump but says they will definitely not vote for him next time around?”

    Interesting question Jason. Both of us did not vote for Trump in 2018, yet we are both looking at voting for him in 2020. I know others as well.

    As with Clinton, Reagan and others, a bad first Midterm election does not necessarily mean a president will not be re-elected. It also appears the Democrats are well into the first act of what will be a two year clown show. Pelosi’s and Schumer’s Ma & Pa Kettle act even has Democrats baffled.

  328. jason says:

    Blaming Trump exclusively for the the 40 seat loss is as dumb as giving him credit for gains in the Senate.

    There were many reasons for why Rs lost 40 seats and Trump fatigue in the suburbs was only of them.

    In order of importance I would rank the following reasons:

    1. The fact the party in power loses an average of 31 seats, and that happens in good and bad economies. No way trying to wriggle around that, and Rs would have had losses even if Mother Teresa was President.

    2. Retirements. This probably cost Rs 15 seats. Yes, maybe Trump indirectly contributed to some retirements, but not all or most of them.

    3. Antipathy to Trump in suburbs, hard to argue against looking at the numbers, certainly his own doing.

    4. R collapse in CA. Hard to blame Trump for that.

    5. PA supreme court gerrymandering. Nothing to do with Trump but it cost Rs 10% of the seats they lost.

    Regarding the Senate, it also was not to Trump’s credit as he claims, it had to do with the fact Rs had a lot fewer seats to defend, the Dems had moonbats running in red states and very weak incumbents in Donnelly, Nelson, Heitkamp and Skyqueen. Conversely, he probably didn’t cost the AZ and NV seats either, you can blame demographics more than him.

  329. jason says:

    I’m assuming most here realize a president needs more than 42% to win nationally.”

    Maybe, but Obama did not have much more than that when he ran for re-election. In fact for most of 2012 he was stuck around 45%.

    In the second half of 2011, when he announced his intention to run again, he was mostly around 41% with, about where Trump is.

  330. jason says:

    Obama a year before re-election Gallup:

    2011 Oct 3-9 40 53 8
    2011 Sep 26-Oct 41 50 9
    2011 Sep 19-25 41 51 8
    2011 Sep 12-18 40 52 8

  331. Wes says:

    DB, how did incumbency and large political warchests work out for Jimmy Carter in 1980 and GHWB in 1992?

    Not too well actually.

    To illustrate the fallacy of your argument, I’ll point out one noteworthy thing:

    You essentially claimed people who don’t like Trump but do like his policies will vote for him next year, citing 2016.

    The only problem with that is that while late deciders May have held their noses and voted for Trump in 2016 once Hillary came under FBI investigation a week before the election, Trump actually already had a large devoted following. I saw it all over here in Eastern NC. No matter where I went, even up to Raleigh, I was seeing MAGA hats and Trump supporters proudly declaring their support from him. I first started taking Trump seriously as a candidate when I was sharing a hospital room in November 2015 with a 31-year-old soldier who expressed support for the Donald. That occurrence caused me to actually study the Trump campaign rather than dismiss it.

    It was clear back then Trump had tapped into some kind of zeitgeist and was going to be a formidable candidate, though I anticipated his losing narrowly. Even so, I confidently declared Trump would win NC by 3. (He won it by 3.5.) I expected him to exceed expectations and win 259 EVs. He of course exceeded that by 45. He had an underfunded campaign plagued by message problems and resignations before he pulled off an upset against the seemingly inevitable Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary has more money, fawning media, and an aura of inevitability. Trump had passionate supporters and a tireless work ethic. When Hillary assumed victory and essentially stopped campaigning right before the FBI reopened its investigation of her, that was the perfect storm Trump needed to upset her. It was in large part due to the passion Trump inspired in his supporters. He didn’t need people to hold their noses and support him. He got his core voters out with just enough people turned off by Hillary’s sleaze and elitism.

    Now you’re telling me as a President who won’t be facing Hillary Clinton, Trump despite the economy and his trade and policy victories has to rely on people who will be willing to support him despite viscerally not liking him. That you’re even having to post something like that should tell you the danger Trump is in next year.

    Hillary had a massive campaign apparatus, an unlimited supply of money, fawning media, the prospect of becoming the first woman President, and an opponent people thought was destined to lose she lost.

    Now you’re telling me Trump as a President with dismal approval ratings who galvanizes the other side to the polls will win when he will have fewer advantages than Hillary had three years ago.

    I’m sorry, Db, but while you intend your posts to make the case for why Trump will win, the substance of them leads me to the opposite conclusion by illustrating just how different Trump as candidate is from Trump as President.

  332. Wes says:

    Let’s see.

    1902, 1934, 1954, 1962, 1970, 1978, 1990, 2002.

    All of these were first midterms. They account for nearly a third of midterms since 1900. In each, the President’s party either gained seats or was well below the 30-seat average for first midterm losses since 1900. Blaming the unusually heavy first midterm losses on the average is a pure fallacy.

  333. Wes says:

    AZ and NV had the same demographics in the Obama years as now. Republicans did well in both states during that time. NV swung heavily against the GOP in 2016 as a direct result of local antipathy toward Trump. He lost in the state in 2016 and took all Republicans down with him. 2018 only continued NV’s anti-Trump tantrum.

    AZ was less antipathetic toward Trump in 2016 than NV, but signs of danger were there in his weak showing. 2018 just manifested 2016’s potential. It’s unclear if this is permanent or a temporary reaction to Trump as President.

    In her campaign’s election post Morten, Martha McSally even noted Trump personally was a negative factor in AZ. That makes his role in her defeat rather clear, though it was clearly not the only factor.

  334. dblaikie says:

    Wes, first of all Jimmy Carter was close to 30 years ago and he was against the smartest pol of this century Ronald Reagan, so your first point in my opinion is wrong.

    Second Trump’s approval rating has always been low. And I don’t buy the claims of your personal observations in North Carolina. It isn’t scientific in any sense — sort of like a ppp poll.

    Third Trump as President if he continues to pursue policies that are popular will not be a terrible liability. If the economy is sound it will be an advantage for him.

    Finally I don’t buy into the argument that Trump has less advantages in 2020. That argument can’t be made this early in the cycle. Personally I will wait to see who these looney Dems nominate before I make any final judgement about advantages or the lack of them.

    But as I have claimed, time and again, I get your point. But at this time I believe that they are nothing more than a hypotheses at the beginning stage of research. Don’t worry I put my hypothesis is same boat.

  335. janz says:

    “Does anyone know of anyone who voted for Trump but says they will definitely not vote for him next time around?”

    People who are either neutral or for Trump rarely discuss these views with others. There is just too much of an unreasonable backlash with absolutely no chance of having a legitimate dialogue with most dems and/or anti Trump republicans.

    I’ve actually never witnessed such enormous personal dislike take over another’s brain and logic as TDS has managed to do. Consequently, IMO, it will be difficult to decipher the shape Trump is in as we close in on the 2020 general election. True his polling numbers remain almost stagnant, in the low 40’s. However, I tend to question the accuracy of these numbers, given the hysterical antipathy daily raging from the press and pundits alike against this president, coupled with those who remain close-mouthed to any support they might publicly show towards Trump.

    As for my own voting tendencies — my 2016 vote for him was purely an anti-Hillary one. When he managed to beat the odds, I then hoped he wouldn’t create too many untoward decisions. To my surprise he has reined in much of the Obama overreach, has begun to refill the judicial vacancies with constitutional, common sense jurists, has openly addressed many of our ignored foreign policy weaknesses and so on. Unless he implodes between now and election time I will vote again for him, this time with less hesitancy. Friends who were on the same page as me, of doing a Hail Mary vote in 2020 for Trump, are also expressing more confidence in his abilities come the next election.  

  336. janz says:

    Here’s a well written opinion piece by Mark Penn:  Voters Want Results Not Resistance From The New Democratic Majority.

  337. Florida Guy says:

    PPP? LOL.

  338. Wes says:

    The only problem with discounting my personal observations on NC is that I have a 100% accuracy rating in predicting things in this state, DB. You can say my methods are unscientific if you like, but I’ve been doing the same thing for a decade now and have never been wrong.

    Your problem is that you ignore the things that don’t mesh with your worldview. Polls don’t say what you like. You ignore them. On-the-ground observations don’t tell you what you want to hear. You dismiss them as unscientific.

    Essentially it boils down to your seeing what you want to see. Nothing except the hard evidence of an election will dissuade you. Even then you repeat the cycle as now by coming up with every possible excuse for why next time things will be different.

    Well, they weren’t different last year. Trump was unpopular and galvanized Dems to the polls against him. That’s a tangible observation. Republicans turned out but still took their largest House losses since Watergate.

    That didn’t match your worldview; accordingly you now fall back on theories about voters holding their noses, the power of incumbency, and large warchests.

    Well, the problem is that Trump is a despised incumbent who will face an equally well-funded Dem challenger bolstered by compliant media and an excited base eager to send Trump packing. Those are things you don’t want to believe, so you discount them. I’m not going to do that.

    Trump is in trouble, and I feel strongly, will lose. If I see something indicating otherwise besides biased analysis I will say so.

  339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “AZ and NV had the same demographics in the Obama years as now. Republicans did well in both states during that time. NV swung heavily against the GOP in 2016 as a direct result of local antipathy toward Trump.”

    344. Don’t agree. Nevada’s population rose from about 2.66 million in 2008 to 3.06 million in 2018. Californians have been pouring into Nevada; 2/3 of the state’s population lives in the Las Vegas/Clark County metropolitan area. Clark County is now referred to as being more California than Nevada. Anglos now make up only about 50% of the state’s population. The days of the folksy Nevada politicians, like Heller or Laxalt, are over. Trump made things worse, but regardless Nevada has become a Democratic state. I like Nevada outside of Los Vegas. But there is now not much difference between Las Vegas and the L.A. metropolitan area. When driving through it I try to pass through it as quickly as possible — which is hard to do because their freeways have some of the worse congestion in the country.

  340. lisab says:

    Does anyone know of anyone who voted for Trump but says they will definitely not vote for him next time around?”
    —————

    i know this is anecdotal

    but my college roomate’s cousin’s step-brother, who has voted republican every election since the civil war, told me he won’t vote for trump be ause he is a meanie

  341. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump is in trouble, and I feel strongly, will lose. If I see something indicating otherwise besides biased analysis I will say so.”

    I agree with you to an extent. But in the crazy times we live in anything can happen. The fact the Democrats are badly divided and a lot of their leaders are loons, complicates matters. I wouldn’t bet money on either side right now.

    In the 2020 vote, believe the country will follow the advice of Robert Byrne: “Democracy is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike the least.”

  342. dblaikie says:

    In my defense, my stand about polls was that I did’t trust any of them. Since the midterms I have made clear that I went overboard in my calling every poll bogus. Polling of adults still seems silly to me. And averaging polls is something I still have my doubts about. But from now on, I have learned my lesson, not every poll is bogus.

    I still stand by my observation that in observing your little corner of the state you can tell exactly how North Carolina is going to vote is not enough data. This is not to say that you are not informed about what is going on in NC and I congratulate you on your ability there. And I know that you believe that your opinions about 2020 are accurate. And it makes sense that you don’t agree with my uncertainty.

    Unfortunately this is what separates us, I still feel that your certainty is premature. Despite my respect, (I mean that) I don’t agree yet with dogma about 2020. Perhaps the day will come when I will.

  343. dblaikie says:

    San Diego, you are right on target with Nevada. I grew up in Carson City but the silver state is no longer the conservative place it once was.

    My sisters, who both live in Reno, complain about how all these people move into Nevada from California to avoid the taxes, and yet when they settle they vote for the people who are going to raise taxes. They are right!

  344. Wes says:

    That’s fair enough, DB. I respect you as well. I just feel you are not being objective but projecting what you want to see onto the upcoming elections. Obviously I can be biased as well—it being impossible to be absolutely unbiased—but I try to be as evenhanded as possible in my analysis.

    You’ll notice I gave Trump an overall favorable grade on his address to the nation last week. Had I been vociferously determined to see him lose I most certainly would have found every excuse possible to ream him. I’m more or less dispassionate about him, so I try to take the middle ground between your position and the Robbie/Corey one.

    I honestly feel he will lose because he’s shown no ability to consolidate support as President with his abrasive personality; however, I I feel he had a chance early on to position himself strongly for reelection but elected to continue playing to his weaknesses in the public mind rather than his strengths.

    It never had to be this way.

  345. Robbie says:

    What’s Trump hiding?

    Greg Miller
    @gregpmiller

    NEW: After closed door mtg with Putin, Trump took his interpreter’s notes, told linguist not to reveal what had transpired to other administration officials. Pattern of concealing communications with Putin.

    https://t.co/PYufGmfIZc

  346. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 12, 2019 at 3:13 pm
    Let’s see.
    1902, 1934, 1954, 1962, 1970, 1978, 1990, 2002.
    All of these were first midterms. They account for nearly a third of midterms since 1900. In each, the President’s party either gained seats or was well below the 30-seat average for first midterm losses since 1900. Blaming the unusually heavy first midterm losses on the average is a pure fallacy.

    – Not a single, respected House prognosticator thought the House was in danger in early 2017. The House was lost because voters were repulsed by Trump’s behavior and felt he needed to be checked. Those who suggest the losses were about “muh historical averages” are simply covering for Trump. This was a point I was making throughout much of 2018.

  347. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 3:01 pm
    I’m assuming most here realize a president needs more than 42% to win nationally.”
    Maybe, but Obama did not have much more than that when he ran for re-election. In fact for most of 2012 he was stuck around 45%.
    In the second half of 2011, when he announced his intention to run again, he was mostly around 41% with, about where Trump is.

    – There are several huge differences between Obama’s re-election and Trump’s potential re-election.

    First, Obama’s JA average in RCP was above 45% throughout 2012 and was at or above 49% in the last month of the 2012 campaign. He was right on the doorstep of 50% (the magic number). Trump’s never been above 46% in RCP and that was in the first week of his presidency.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    Second, Obama’s low approval rating throughout his first term was a function of the poor economy. His personal approval rating remained high and that’s why he was able to recover as the campaign wore on. Trump’s personal approval rating is very low because people don’t like him and it caps how high his JA can go.

    Third, Obama ran with the benefit of a recovering economy. Trump’s economy has either maxed out and flatlined or will be slowly declining by 2020. If the best he can do is 43% with a roaring economy, why would anyone assume he could go higher with an economy that’s not as good as it is today?

    He can’t win with just his base and he’s done nothing in two years to move past his base.

  348. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    355. “My sisters, who both live in Reno, complain about how all these people move into Nevada from California to avoid the taxes, and yet when they settle they vote for the people who are going to raise taxes. They are right!”

    Have seen it in Utah too, and happens throughout the west. Californians fail to understand that lower taxes means less free goodies and services.

    Unfortunately, California businesses that move are particularly bad in this regard, particularly tech. They demand costly infrastructure, and want to pass the costs onto local residents. One reason that Ben McAdams defeated Mia Love in Utah was McAdams as SLC County Mayor told Facebook to take a hike when they demanded $200 million in incentives to locate a data center in Utah in 2016. The Republicans establishment blasted McAdams for the decision; the voters loved him for it, and it was a major reason he was elected.

  349. Tina says:

    What’s Trump hiding?

    Greg Miller
    @gregpmiller

    NEW: After closed door mtg with Putin, Trump took his interpreter’s notes, told linguist not to reveal what had transpired to other administration officials. Pattern of concealing communications with Putin.

    FAKE NEWS.

  350. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #357
    Half-Truth Robbie strikes again.
    I guess that Robbie thinks that former SOS Rex Tillerson is a co-conspirator:

    From the article:

    “In an email, Tillerson said that he “was present for the entirety of the two presidents’ official bilateral meeting in Hamburg,” but declined to discuss the meeting and did not respond to questions about whether Trump had instructed the interpreter to remain silent or had taken the interpreter’s notes.

    “In a news conference afterward, Tillerson said that the Trump-Putin meeting lasted more than two hours, covered the war in Syria and other subjects, and that Trump had “pressed President Putin on more than one occasion regarding Russian involvement” in election interference. “President Putin denied such involvement, as I think he has in the past,” Tillerson said.”

    The article states that in prior meetings, notes taken leaked and Trump wanted the leaking to cease.
    This is a regurgitated story from over a year ago. Robbie should be embarrassed, but when it comes to all things Trump, he has no conscience.

  351. Tina says:

    Joe Walsh
    @WalshFreedom
    Thanks to Donald Trump and his sycophants, increasing numbers of Americans now view our FBI as the bad guy and Russia as the good guy.

    How messed up is that?

    I think the fault lies with comedy and McCabe and Pete the cheat. Leadership (former) is to blame.

  352. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Poor Robbie. He spends hours and hours searching through leftists blogs and news sources hunting for for dirt on Trump. Must be hard for a someone who claims to be a conservative Republican.

  353. Phil says:

    I think the credibility of Robbie’s claim that he is a conservative left the train station a long time ago.

  354. Tina says:

    When asked about the Russian Hoax on Judge Jeanine program tonite, Trump said:

    “Wait until you see how it turns out”

    “Some people are going to be exposed that you would not believe”.

  355. jason says:

    I think the credibility of Robbie’s claim that he is a conservative left the train station a long time ago.”

    What was your first clue? That he said he looks forward to a socialist being elected President?

    His M.O. never changes. He attacked Romney’s businesses, family, honor, person, you name it, and said he would be celebrating Obama’s win. Same regurgitating of all the MSM talking points he uses against Trump.

    He didn’t care that Obama would be President, the whole objective was to see Romney defeated.

    Now the whole objective is to see Trump defeated, he doesn’t care that a socialist would be elected.

    A real Amoral Scumbag.

  356. Wes says:

    SDC, I don’t buy into the idea that the current times make anything noticeably different from other times. We’ve always had turbulent political occurrences. Sans the economic downturn , Trump is just a latter-day Herbert Hoover. Hoover was another New York-based businessman who after previously flirting with running for the White House beat a New York-baes pol for President.

    During his time in office, Trump has made more enemies than friends in politics—and Republicans outside the Senate paid the price for his inability to tone things down and act presidential. He did make strides in the right direction Tuesday, but he needs to do MUCH more than that to secure a solid chance at reelection.

    Dems would need to completely melt down for Trump to win next year. That’s possible, but Trump is still the incumbent. The election will be a referendum on him. Unless he changes course in a way he’s shown no inclination to do thus far, Dems on the federal level just have to not act like buffoons while actually campaigning to oust him.

  357. Cash Cow TM says:

    “NEW: After closed door mtg with Putin, Trump took his interpreter’s notes, told linguist not to reveal what had transpired to other administration officials. Pattern of concealing communications with Putin.”
    ##############################
    My sources tell me they were discussing UFOs, evidence of aliens (from other planets) and things like that.

  358. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Dems would need to completely melt down for Trump to win next year.

    Never underestimate the Democrats. They are capable of melting down faster than Fukushima. If someone like Biden is nominated, it would not surprise me if a far leftist third party candidate also runs.

  359. Bitterlaw says:

    Dems hate Trump so much that they will unite to beat him. There will not be a meaningful third party challenge from the left. They will not sit home, either.

  360. Wes says:

    It would surprise me. While Biden projects a moderate image he’s a moonbat like any other. Besides, Dems haven’t forgotten Stein was an incidental factor in Hillary’s defeat.

  361. lisab says:

    Dems on the federal level just have to not act like buffoons while actually campaigning to oust him.
    ————————–

    beto just lived streamed his teeth cleaning

    warren kicked off her campaign at souix city … after live streaming drinking a beer for the first time in her life, and said her voice was hoarse from talking too much to “the little people”

    harris just said india had the oldest democracy in history, and she learned a lot from that

    and

    biden’s brother in pa said his family voted for trump over hillary

  362. lisab says:

    “I think the credibility of Robbie’s claim that he is a conservative left the train station a long time ago.”
    —————————————–
    the credibility of a person who couldn’t get laid if his semen cured cancer?

  363. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #375- lisab
    You just made me cough up my tea with your comment! A good laugh is a great way to start the day. Thank You.

  364. Tgca says:

    375 LisaB

    That is OFFENSIVE! Crass! Vulgar! Disgusting!

    Do you mind if I borrow that line in the future?

  365. dblaikie says:

    375 That comment is worse than my infamous comment to MD over two years ago, “go suck a pickle.”

  366. Robbie says:

    Wow! So much winning.

    Philip Rucker
    @PhilipRucker

    Trump is losing the battle for public opinion. New WaPo/ABC poll:
    -53 percent say Trump/GOP at fault for shutdown, 29 percent say Democrats
    -54 percent oppose the wall, 42 percent support
    -66 percent oppose declaring national emergency, 31 percent support

  367. Tina says:

    As President Trump’s former attorney John Dowd said Saturday: “The (New York) Times story is an unwitting disclosure and verification of the utter corruption of their oaths by (fired FBI Director James) Comey and his colleagues to undermine the free election of the President of the United States. It was apparently done under the supervision of the Deputy Attorney General, who was reportedly ready to wear a wire to ensnare President Trump. This is the stuff of banana republics and dictatorships. This despicable, unlawful, official conduct undermines our entire federal criminal justice system which protects our liberty as a free people.”

  368. Tina says:

    This is a big black eye for the Fib, justice.

    I do not know how they can recover from this scandal.

    I know most of the coup plotters has been terminated.

    In short, the fib is useless now as an agency, an agency that lied about wmds and missed 9-11.

  369. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not know how they can recover from this scandal.

    Easy. Go solve some crimes.

  370. Tina says:

    An argument can be made that Comedy’s Fib was doing pooty poots work.

  371. Tina says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-mccarthy-fbi-russia-investigation-was-always-about-trump

    Andrew McCarthy’s take. Also, he reiterates that the ci into trump began before the firing of comedy.

    I previously stated that I would not be surprised that the Obumbler investigated trump since 2011.

  372. Robbie says:

    Even more winning!

    CNN POLL CONDUCTED BY SSRS
    January 10-11
    How Trump Is Handling
    His Job as President

    Approve 37%
    Disapprove 57%

  373. Tina says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/30-dems-in-puerto-rico-with-109-lobbyists-for-weekend-despite-shutdown?_amp=true#click=https://t.co/c0hS0AJWaZ

    Drats in PR, meeting with lobbyists. Will not be back until,late Monday.

    Just look at the photo of NJ Senator, Menendez. What is he looking at?

  374. Wes says:

    Menendez is probably wondering if that girl’s an underage forced sexual slave, Tina.

  375. Tina says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BpjODNDYjfc

    Maria destroys Drat Jim Hines on the Russian hoax,

  376. Phil says:

    Wes is right about Trump’s prospects in 2020. He’s not drawing Hillary as an opponent again.

    My only disagreement with Wes is that I believe it is a Republican problem and isn’t restricted to just Trump.

    It’s math. It’s really that simple.

    Brain dead milleniels + demographics of the electorate = a majority. This is further accelerated by the MSM which is now just the propaganda arm of the left. They don’t even try to pretend any longer.

    Think about America as becoming an expanded version of California.

  377. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe Phil can explain why my entire Irish family votes GOP. He can then explain why my Jewish wife votes GOP.

    Demographics can suck it.

  378. Cash Cow TM says:

    Watching Walt shovel 5 inches of wet snow….
    Poor guy…

    As for me I’ve been scouring the polls on Trump approval.

    Trump
    Approval Disapproval
    40……..55 Ipsos (Adults–so it omits a lots of Democrats I guess)
    44……..53 YouGov (RVs)
    45……..54 Rasmussen
    #################################################
    Strangely, I can find no daily polls about Ap/DisAp of Trump, the wall, the gubment shutdown…even though the gubment has been shut down for, what…3 months or so…

  379. janz says:

    I always read wes’s comments as they contain solid, sensible substance. And, he’s right regarding how Trump has made more enemies than friends since being in office. With that agreement noted, Trump’s campaign message involved disruption of consensus politics which usually creates more animosity than thumbs-up by politicos.

    Currently the harsh disruption of DC’s political class has not appeared to broaden Trump’s base or add much solidarity within the various factions of the Republican Party. So, yeah, winning re-election in 2020 does seem like a lost cause. However, the one major reason, IMO, continuing to stand in the way of Trump’s demise is the dramatic leftward shift of the democrat parry and their mindless resist behavior. I just can’t see how the mainstream public would vote for these people!

    Also, Lisab’s Robbie comment was priceless,

  380. scooterboy says:

    333. Jason, I did not vote for Trump. I still don’t care much for Trump. However, I would strongly consider votimg for Trump over any of the current Dem Socialist frontrunners.

  381. Wes says:

    I understand where you’re coming from, Janz. Unfortunately I was here a decade ago when I heard how’ve Obama was too radical and couldn’t win. In the end, what Obama was doing didn’t matter. Dems won because Bush at 33% made the out party’s victory inevitable.

    As for why Trump has made more enemies than friends I would say it’s his public persona more than anything else. Both Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan entered office promising radical change. Neither was ever consistently as unpopular as Trump.

    Trump’s problem is that his brash, aggressive, abrasive demeanor grates. Where a more charismatic pol such as Reagan or Clinton could sell his Administration’s achievements and keep from being a lightning rod for all but the fringe of the opposition Trump attracts broad based antipathy and hurts himself with his utter inability to keep from getting in his own way.

    He’s shown no sign of being able to change this, and for that reason I give him small odds of reelection.

  382. janz says:

    Cash cow. Love your subtle parentheses comment regarding the Ipsos polling number

    Scooter. I think there are quite a few people, not in love with the current prez, who view a socialistically-inclined agenda as being far worse that suffering thru DT’s diatribes, caustic behavior and tweets.

  383. Phil says:

    Sorry, bitter. If Hispanic illegals were future Republican voters Democrats would be running to build that wall.

    I am glad your wife votes GOP, but the fact remains that Reagan reached the high mark for Republicans when he grabbed 29% of it.

    And not that Irish stuff again.

  384. Phil says:

    29% of the Jewish vote I meant to say.

  385. Cash Cow TM says:

    HI, SCOOTS!

    Wishing you the best for the new year!

  386. lisab says:

    Gavin Newsom budget calls for drinking water tax to help poor communities

  387. jason says:

    Jason, I did not vote for Trump. I still don’t care much for Trump. However, I would strongly consider votimg for Trump over any of the current Dem Socialist frontrunners.”

    It seems more of those here who didn’t vote for Trump the first time realize he is still better than a socialist.

  388. janz says:

    Wes, I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said. A warm, gracious personality certainly attracts people to your political corner more than abrasiveness. Unfortunately Trump displays more of the latter behavior than the former. When he was running for president I was totally turned off to the grittiness of his comments, and waffled about whether I would even fill in the box for president or not. However, whenever I did this I would also consider the ramifications of Hillary winning, and that’s what it took to vote for Trump.

    In the meantime, I’ve gotten use to Trump’s rough demeanor, in lieu of positive policy stances created during his administration – focusing more on performance over personality. So, unless he goes completely off the cliff of “raunchiness,” Trump still seems like the best alternative (over the long run) compared to what is out there as of today. However, how many people will feel the same way, come 2020, is yet to be determined IMO.

  389. jason says:

    hilip Rucker
    @PhilipRucker

    Trump is losing the battle for public opinion. New WaPo/ABC poll:

    -54 percent oppose the wall, 42 percent support

    What Amoral Scumbag fails to point out, of course, is that this is a marked improvement in support for the wall since last year.

    What Amoral Scumbag purposefully left out:

    “As noted, while more still oppose rather than back a wall, support has increased to 42 percent, upercent, up from 34 percent a year ago and a previous high of 37 percent in 2017. Opposition, 54 percent, is down from 63 percent a year ago and a previous low of 60 percent two years ago.

    (MORE: Republicans grapple with executive power as Trump weighs national emergency)

    These shifts have occurred chiefly among Republicans, whose support for the wall has gained 16 percentage points versus one year ago: +10 points among conservatives and +11 among .

    “Strong” opposition also has declined, from 52 percent last January to 38 percent now. That still outpaces strong support, 29 percent.

    Notably among groups, whites support a wall by a slight 54-44 percent. Nonwhites oppose it, 22-72 percent. Support among whites is +10 points vs. a year ago.”

  390. jason says:

    Notably among groups, whites support a wall by a slight 54-44 percent.”

    Don’t you just love the MSM.

    54-44 is “slight”.

    If it was the other way around, it would have been “decisive”.

  391. jason says:

    I am sure Amoral Scumbag and Corey are just outraged…

    Oh wait…

    “The (New York) Times story is an unwitting disclosure and verification of the utter corruption of their oaths by (fired FBI Director James) Comey and his colleagues to undermine the free election of the President of the United States. It was apparently done under the supervision of the Deputy Attorney General, who was reportedly ready to wear a wire to ensnare President Trump. This is the stuff of banana republics and dictatorships. This despicable, unlawful, official conduct undermines our entire federal criminal justice system which protects our liberty as a free people.

  392. janz says:

    I think it’s a sad commentary to revel in the conclusion that illegals, of any race or nationality, will vote for one party over another If they obstruct building better security around a country. At the same time, such a rationale is compounded by exposing it’s stupidity, when the new speaker dumps a committee dealing with terror in order to create one to further the investigative arm into trump.

  393. janz says:

    Basically the dems priorities, as well as ethical behavior, are beyond being reversed and screwed up!

  394. janz says:

    During the shutdown:

    “Maxine Waters goes to the Bahamas.”

    “Pelosi vacations in Hawaii.”

    “Dems vacation on the beach in sunny Puerto Rico.”

    Trump fore goes his vacation, staying in DC, to avail himself of forging a compromise to end the government shutdown.

    What do these optics say about which side is more serious about resolving the shutdown?

  395. Tina says:

    Jason, the fib acted for political purposes.

    Radcliffe indicated that the basis for the fib investigation was to get trump.

    In jebit land, the ends justify the means,

  396. jason says:

    Good point:

    “If today the national emergency is border security, tomorrow the national emergency might be climate change,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said this week.

  397. jason says:

    I think wes is making the point that Trump’s personality is more important than any issue.

    If that is true we deserve to live under socialism.

  398. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    36m
    The FBI’s hostility toward Trump during the Obama administration has come out in new testimony from Lisa Page, the former bureau lawyer who had an affair with the former disgraced agent Peter Strzok.

  399. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In California, Latinos often voted Republican, prior to 1994.

    “Pete Wilson’s 1994 unpopularity among Hispanics was new in California. Prior to that year, the California state GOP typically split the Hispanics vote with the Democrats in gubernatorial elections. In 1986, 46 percent of Hispanic voters in the state voted for the Republican governor. In 1990, 47 percent supported Pete Wilson’s election. But beginning in 1994, the Hispanic gubernatorial vote has gone heavily Democratic (Figure 3). In 1990, Wilson was relatively pro-immigration. As a Republican Senator from California, Wilson voted for the Reagan amnesty and tried, but failed, to include a large guest worker visa program in the final bill. By 1994, his pro-immigration credentials were entirely sullied.”

    Also, there are various ethnic divisions among voters whose backgrounds are from Latin America. They vote differently; Cubans are an example. Likewise, Spanish-background Latinos, such as those from Mexico and Central America, do not look upon my Brazilian partner as Latino. By the way, Brazilians in the U.S. strongly supported Bolansaro.

    The outgoing chair of the Republican Party in California correctly blames the bad position the party is in to its “inability to connect to non-white voters.” The new chair of the party is Travis Allen, who ran for governor and received all of about 9% of the vote, and is very right wing. Republican registration has fallen to 25%, and Non-Party registration risen to 27%. The response of the Republican leadership is to pull up the drawbridge, which encourages even more Republicans to change their registration to Non-Party.

    The only hope California has is if an independent candidate runs who can appeal to Asians, who often vote Republican, and Latino middle class voters, who are tired of high taxes and the antics of coastal white liberals.

  400. Wes says:

    We live in a world where people react to emotional appeals and delivery, Jason. Successful pols know how to get people emotionally invested in ideals and goals.

    Trump has done the opposite of that and galvanized opposition to him. Policies always matter less than persuasion. That’s sadly a fact.

    If Trump had Reagan’s capacity to sell his Administration’s effectiveness then I’d be eagerly espousing the President’s re-election prospects. Since that’s not the case I simply state what I see and feel.

    I wish it were otherwise.

  401. Robbie says:

    A disaster for the Republican Party. There’s no way Trump or any Republican can win without the suburbs. I’ve been warning about this for two years, but I guess we’ll have to suffer a blowout loss in 2020 before anyone starts to worry.

    Ronald Brownstein
    @RonBrownstein

    After an election in which GOP was swept in the suburbs, new @CNN poll shows 63% of college+ whites oppose #borderwwall, 63% mostly blame Trump for shutdown & 64% disapprove of his job performance. A reminder that Trump’s base-first politics, abetted by GOP, carries real costs

  402. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 13, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    Maybe Phil can explain why my entire Irish family votes GOP. He can then explain why my Jewish wife votes GOP.
    Demographics can suck it.

    – Whining about demographics is the last refuge of those who’ve given up on the possibility of persuasion.

    Let’s not become the party of Steve King and say all is lost because whites don’t comprise as much of the electorate as they once did.

  403. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    404. “The (New York) Times story is an unwitting disclosure and verification of the utter corruption of their oaths by (fired FBI Director James) Comey and his colleagues to undermine the free election of the President of the United States. It was apparently done under the supervision of the Deputy Attorney General, who was reportedly ready to wear a wire to ensnare President Trump. This is the stuff of banana republics and dictatorships.

    Agree with Jason. And the reason they did it so blatantly is because they were sure Clinton would win, and their tracks would be covered. as Victor Davis Hanson pointed out:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/01/30/hillary039s_039sure039_victory_explains_most_everything_432806.html

  404. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm
    Sorry, bitter. If Hispanic illegals were future Republican voters Democrats would be running to build that wall.
    I am glad your wife votes GOP, but the fact remains that Reagan reached the high mark for Republicans when he grabbed 29% of it.
    And not that Irish stuff again.

    – Apparently, Phil missed the 2004 election when GWB got 44% of the Hispanic vote.

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

  405. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 13, 2019 at 1:21 pm
    29% of the Jewish vote I meant to say.

    – I just saw this so disregard 417 since I thought you were referring to Hispanics.

  406. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 13, 2019 at 2:22 pm
    Jason, I did not vote for Trump. I still don’t care much for Trump. However, I would strongly consider votimg for Trump over any of the current Dem Socialist frontrunners.”
    It seems more of those here who didn’t vote for Trump the first time realize he is still better than a socialist.

    – I know several people who voted for Trump and will not do so again in 2020. One is a captain with whom I fly, one is a retired dentist who I instruct, one is my best friend, and another is my best friend’s wife.

    Trump’s going to lose precisely because he has pushed way suburban and upper income voters. There aren’t enough rural voters to overcome the suburbs and the cities. Sorry, fraud.

  407. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 13, 2019 at 2:28 pm
    Notably among groups, whites support a wall by a slight 54-44 percent.”
    Don’t you just love the MSM.
    54-44 is “slight”.
    If it was the other way around, it would have been “decisive”.

    – Bless your heart. I was unaware the only people who count are whites.

    The wall is unpopular, it’s not getting built, and Trump’s led the party into a box canyon just to please Rush and Coulter.

  408. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    418. “29% of the Jewish vote I meant to say.”

    Am curious how long Jewish voters will stay with a party that has an increasingly large number of its leadership making anti-Semitic statements.

  409. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 13, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    I think wes is making the point that Trump’s personality is more important than any issue.
    If that is true we deserve to live under socialism.

    – Yes. If the country won’t support a dickish president who Jason fraud likes, that clearly means the country is doomed to socialism.

    Here’s a thought, dummy. Elect a Republican who gives you good policy and is also a good person.

  410. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm
    I am sure Amoral Scumbag and Corey are just outraged…
    Oh wait…
    “The (New York) Times story is an unwitting disclosure and verification of the utter corruption of their oaths by (fired FBI Director James) Comey and his colleagues to undermine the free election of the President of the United States. It was apparently done under the supervision of the Deputy Attorney General, who was reportedly ready to wear a wire to ensnare President Trump. This is the stuff of banana republics and dictatorships. This despicable, unlawful, official conduct undermines our entire federal criminal justice system which protects our liberty as a free people.

    – Victor Davis Hanson. LOL.

  411. Tina says:

    Seems like Menendez was in PR for a fact finding mission.

  412. Phil says:

    Robbie continues his BS that he somehow gives a Sh*t about electing Republicans. We’re supposed to buy that. It’s laughable. Anyone ever heard him say a thing negative about the left or spend five minutes attacking Democrats or their policies? I haven’t and I’ve been here every day for years.

    He was fine with Obama over Romney. Would have been fine with Hillary over Trump, and he’ll be fine with Kamala or someone like her in the WH in 2020.

    He’s about as Republican as Anna Navarro or Nicole Wallace. He never met a NYT talking point he won’t quote and anyone who has hung out on this site for any time at all knows it.

    He likes to tell us it’s all about Trump. Nobody is buying it any longer. Spends 100% of his time bashing candidates with an R by their name. When it comes to Democrats we get crickets. Zilch.

  413. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    424. “Seems like Menendez was in PR for a fact finding mission.”

    Yes, he toured beaches in Puerto Rico to test the water to check for evidence of global warming.

  414. Messy says:

    407. Remember, at the time, the GOP still had control of the House and had already passed the poison pill amendment and the Senate had unanimously passed the clean CR Trump promised to sign and had left town.

    Until January 3rd, the Dems in the House had NO power. NONE.

  415. Cash Cow TM says:

    I went with Walt to his meeting Friday and the guest speaker was the president of a university.

    During the presentation, the guest speaker said the university had instituted drone research, training of people to be airport managers….and as an aside said “research shows that commercial pilots make 5 mistakes an hour while in the cockpit.” One commercial pilot in attendance rebuffed, “It depends on what you classify as a mistake.”

    Anyway…when I heard the remark about commercial pilots and the amount of mistakes they make per hour IN the cockpit, I thought of HHR poster Robbie…and how many mistakes he makes…IN…and OUT of the cockpit.

  416. jason says:

    Eagles played a good half, but they had an opportunity to dig the Saints a big hole and failed to capitalize.

  417. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    428. Such a thoughtful cow. I worry even more about a fake than the mistakes.

  418. Bitterlaw says:

    All the momentum is headed the Saints’ way. Eagles need to watch out for the onside kick to start the 2d half.

  419. Messy says:

    391. Ras has Trump at his worst since August of
    ’17, just after the Charlottesville march.

    The latest polling shows a majority of voters blame Trump.

    ABC/Washington Post |CNN (both published today)

    Trump and Republicans in Congress 53% 55%
    Democrats in Congress 29 32%
    Both equally 13 9%
    Neither 2 1%

    When It first started, 47% blamed Trump.

  420. jason says:

    “He likes to tell us it’s all about Trump. Nobody is buying it any longer. Spends 100% of his time bashing candidates with an R by their name. When it comes to Democrats we get crickets.”

    Phil, Amoral Scumbag is a shill for the MSM, his talking points match theirs 100%.

    Just like he celebrated Obama’s win, he would have celebrated Hillary’s win and if a socialist wins in 2020 he will celebrate it too.

    If you look at his posts over a decade, he is always shilling for Democrats, always.

    If you search for a post where he predicted Rs would do better than the actually did, you won’t find it. 100% of his “mistakes” are always against Rs. That tells you he wants Dems to win.

    He was openly rooting for Gillum, a flaming socialist, to beat DeSantis because he was a “Trump supporter”. That’s the way he thinks.

  421. jason says:

    LOL, Messy is now happy with RAS because it has “Trump at his worse”.

    Hypocritical moron.

  422. jason says:

    Didn’t see the Cheatriots game, but seems like it was a massacre.

    Of course, Phil Rivers is a trash talking idiot and the Chargers suck.

    Cheatriots vs. Chiefs?

    Dang, it will be hard to care less who wins. Brady will probably tear the Chief’s porous defense a new a-hole, but the Chiefs will certainly score too.

  423. jason says:

    All the momentum is headed the Saints’ way. Eagles need to watch out for the onside kick to start the 2d half.”

    Onside kicks don’t work anymore because of the pussification of the NFL. They are now talking about doing away with punt returns.

    The last person interested in watching touch football turn off the lights.

  424. Tina says:

    Senator Menendez went to PR to “touch, feel, and smell.”

  425. Cash Cow TM says:

    “When It first started, 47% blamed Trump.”

    When I actually read that, I read it as
    when it “stirst farted…”

  426. jason says:

    Eagles had a chance in this game but it involved going up 21 points like they could have done.

    Once the momentum changed they had to get lucky again, and their luck ran out.

  427. Diamond Jim says:

    I hate the Aints more than the Bears.

  428. jason says:

    Cheatriots seem to be peaking at the right time, while KC, Rams and Saints are certainly not peaking.

    I wouldn’t bet against them.

  429. jason says:

    I hope either the Saints or Rams wins the SB. Not betting on either one.

  430. jason says:

    The latest polling shows a majority of voters blame Trump.”

    Trump obviously is the one who is responsible for the shutdown.

    The question is how many people agree with him on the reason for the shutdown, and it seems like he is gaining support for the wall, not losing it.

    If the MSM says support for the wall is now at 42% you can bet it’s at least a few points higher.

    And there are people like me, who oppose a physical wall across the entire border, but certainly support Trump’s efforts to stop illegal immigration and oppose the Dems open border agenda.

  431. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    To all you Eagles’ fans—– although there are no moral victories in sports, the Eagles showed the HEART of true champions in the past two weeks!
    Who should start at QB next year, Wentz or Foles?

  432. jason says:

    I see Alshon Jeffries is being blamed for the loss.

    Is he to blame the Eagles were down by 6 with under 2 minutes and no timeouts?

    Was there any guarantee if he had caught the pass the Eagles would have scored a TD?

    If not for him, the Eagles would not even be playing this game.

    Honestly, I would stay with Foles.

  433. Bitterlaw says:

    Thank you, Nick. Time for Wentz next year.

  434. Bitterlaw says:

    I had to coach a girls rec league game during last quarter. Did not see final INT. Win as a team. Lose as a team. Not blaming Jeffries.

  435. Bitterlaw says:

    Go Chiefs!

  436. Tina says:

    Corrupt Senator Warner, the unofficial head of the ssic, had a disastrous interview on meet the depressed.

    Warner claimed falsely to be a member of the gang of 8 in 2016. He was not. The meet depressed host did not call him out,

    Also, Fred Fleitz destroyed Warner in the following tweet about not knowing the details of the Helsinki meeting with Pooty Poot. They are pissed that a leaker could not leak the details. The tweet is below:

    Fred Fleitz
    Fred Fleitz
    @FredFleitz
    ·
    2h
    False,
    @MarkWarner
    . I was
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ‘s chief of staff at NSC. Senior US officials know everything that was discussed in 1 on 1
    @realDonaldTrump
    – Putin meeting in Helsinki. More
    @cnn
    #FAKENEWS !
    Quote Tweet
    CNN
    @CNN
    The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee bemoans tha

  437. Tina says:

    Fred Fleitz
    Fred Fleitz
    @FredFleitz
    ·
    11h
    Senator Joe Lieberman just destroyed below moronic
    @wsj
    piece by
    @DionNissenbaum
    on
    @AmbJohnBolton
    asking for options to attack Iran on
    @foxnews
    : “this was a reasonable and rational thing for John Bolton to do” since Iran had fired mortars at our consulate and embassy in Iraq.
    Quote Tweet
    Dion Nissenbaum
    @DionNissenbaum
    EXCLUSIVE: “People were shocked. It was mind-boggling how cavalier they were about hitting Iran.” Trump White House asked for military options to strike Iran, rattling State Department and Pentagon. (link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-sought-options-to-strike-iran-11547375404?mod=hp_lead_pos4) wsj.com/articles/white…

    Yes mind boggling to the idiots. In 2015, the obumbler had plans to strike Iran. This was done before the idiotic pallet for cash deal.

  438. lisab says:

    FRANCE and Germany plotting to merge borders, economies and defence policies in the latest step towards an EU superstate.

  439. lisab says:

    Ben Carson Finds $500 Billion (Billion!) In Errors During Audit Of HUD

  440. lisab says:

    French riot police are now using semi-automatic weapons with live ammunition against Yellow Vest protestors as Macron’s law and order crisis spirals

  441. sandiegocitizen says:

    453. Some of the protesters have been surrounding and beating up police. Its about time the police were armed.

    The French have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It has made it a terrorist paradise. It hard for liberals to understand that criminals and terrorists don’t abide by gun laws.

  442. lisab says:

    Some of the protesters have been surrounding and beating up police. Its about time the police were armed.
    ———————

    with automatic weapons? really?

    if your citizenry do not support your government, maybe it is time to change your policies.

  443. Messy says:

    434. Notice that Jason faked a typo in order to make me look bad. you can prove anything with lies.

    Ras changed it’s model after Charolttesville in order to appease Republicans, leading them to show that Trump had a majority and the Republicans were ahead in the ’18 elections on the day they got creamed. With all that, the Orange wonder is still being shown to be going down the toilet.

  444. Wes says:

    Rad changed IT’S model, huh, Messy? What a moron.

  445. Tina says:

    I thought Ras changed its model, post Ebola?

  446. Messy says:

    RaS, Wesley, What a moron.

    Well, considering the ebola thing was in 2014 and the last election was four years later, I’d say yes…

    449. How was he corrupt?

  447. Barrett says:

    #455 – Sounds like my home city of Baltimore.

    I’d be interested in what an EU super-state looks like. Everyone should decide for themselves.

    I could see the benefits of a unified front against Russia. I could also see the disadvantages of a newly forged nation with bad economic policies.

  448. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #459- Messy
    To recover some of your street cred here at HHR, say something nasty about a Democrat or the Party and something positive about The Donald.
    Thank You.

  449. jason says:

    Elect a Republican who gives you good policy and is also a good person.”

    Translation: If I can’t have Jeb as President, let’s live under socialism as punishment.

  450. Wes says:

    Mine was autocorrect, Messy. What’s your excuse?

    By the way, when did Brenda Snipes become a Republican?

    Why if Dems were doing fine before Ebola hit in 2014 did Nate Silver say Republicans would capture the Senate THE DAY BEFORE the Ebola announcement?

  451. Tina says:

    Charlie Kirk
    Charlie Kirk
    @charliekirk11
    ·
    9h
    Make no mistake, if 30 Republicans got drunk on the beach with 109 lobbyists in Puerto Rico watching broadway plays during a government shutdown, it would be the number one story in the world and the media would be screaming for resignations

  452. jason says:

    Notice that Jason faked a typo in order to make me look bad”

    Thanks for giving me credit for “faking a typo”.

    In reality, it was my own mistake, I wrote “worse” when I should have written “worst”.

    As far as looking bad, faking typos is not necessary to make you look bad.

    Your astounding ignorance will make you look bad every time.

    You live in a fog of stupidity, and what is worse (got it this time), have no interest in moving out of it.

  453. jason says:

    The theory that Ebola had anything to do with election results has to be one of the stupidest ever put forth on this blog.

  454. Tina says:

    It was just a fact finding mission,

    A mission to feel, touch, and smell.

    -NJ Senator Menedez.

  455. Robbie says:

    Since mnw is nowhere to be found, allow me to fill the role he manned during the election season.

    Glorious Dear Leader Trump down to 43/56 in the very respected and highly accurate Rasmussen poll.

  456. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 14, 2019 at 9:20 am
    Elect a Republican who gives you good policy and is also a good person.”
    Translation: If I can’t have Jeb as President, let’s live under socialism as punishment.

    – I see Jason fraud overdosed on his stupid pills. Romney, Kasich, Rubio, Bush, Haley, and so many other Republicans would have given us all that scumbag Trump did (plus more) and without slimy lifestyle and racism of Trump.

  457. Robbie says:

    The song that plays in Jason fraud’s head as he looks lustily at a picture of Trump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

  458. Tina says:

    Looks like the CoC wants a resolution.

    On January 10, 2019, US Chamber of Commerce head and puppetmaster Tom Donahue said in his annual address (yes, he makes and annual address) that there is a need for” “a reasonable solution” on immigration that involves protection for so-called Dreamers, young undocumented migrants brought to the U.S. as children, and allocating “resources necessary to secure the border.” ”

  459. Tina says:

    The New York Times
    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Senior Pentagon officials are voicing deepening fears that Trump’s hawkish national security adviser, John Bolton, could precipitate a conflict with Iran

    The Fusion gps and their allies cannot keep their stories straight.

  460. Tina says:

    I wonder if the fib got permission from justice to open up their investigation into a sitting President?

  461. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Jebots lose in court.

    Reuters Top News
    ?
    @Reuters
    U.S. Supreme Court rejects challenge to Trump appointee Matthew Whitaker https://reut.rs/2D9Kn3O

    16
    7:01 AM – Jan 14, 2019

  462. jason says:

    I see Jason fraud overdosed on his stupid pills. Romney, ”

    LOL

    Did Amoral Scumbag forget he attacked Romney’s honor, family, businesses, and integrity throughout the whole 2012 election cycle so that Obama could get elected, and now he pretends he likes Romney? Did he forget he said he would celebrate Romney’s loss just like he now says he would celebrate Trump’s loss?

    You really can’t make this sh-t up.

    And no, we wouldn’t have gotten ANY of what Trump has given us because NONE of those people would have been elected in 2016.

    Not Kasich, not Romney, not hapless Jeb, not even the best candidate of them all, Rubio.

  463. Paul says:

    Trump’s popularity is dipping into the 30s. Keep this shutdown fight going! Don’t consider a compromise, Trump. You are winning!

  464. jason says:

    Senior Pentagon officials are voicing deepening fears that Trump’s hawkish national security adviser, John Bolton, could precipitate a conflict with Iran”

    This is what, like the 10th war the MSM is “worried that Trump will get us into”?

    Is this the same MSM that is outraged Trump has pulled out of Syria?

  465. Phil says:

    Forgot he attacked Romney?

    I’m shocked.

  466. jason says:

    Keep this shutdown fight going”

    Don’t you love moonbat trolls?

    They are extremely “concerned” about the effects of the shutdown on all those poor people not getting paychecks and the masses suffering from the lack of government services.

    Oh wait, it’s hurting Trump’s popularity?

    LONG LIVE THE SHUTDOWN!

  467. Phil says:

    No, by my count this is war #12 actually.

    The battlefields are littered with dead bodies from Trump’s war mongering policies, er, well, maybe not yet but its going to happen any day now.

  468. Tina says:

    They are either concerned that’s he starts ww 3 or concerned that he is pulling us out of dead end wars, like Syria and Afghanistan.

    They are also concerned that he asked for plans to strike Iran, like other Presidents have done in the past, including the obumbler.

    Finally, they are concerned that the translators notes were not leaked to the press.

    They make little sense now and are just unhinged

  469. Wobbles says:

    Phil, Romney was a horrible person in 2012. He shafted his workers, bilked the government, cheated on his taxes, hated immigrants, hated poor people, tortured his dog, flaunted his wealth by owning 2 caddies, his wife was a elitist snob for owning horses and using an elevator because she has MS, and for all that I celebrated his loss to Obama.

    But now Romney is just great, a truly wonderful man. The new horrible person is Trump, supposedly he had a one night stand with a porn star a decade before coming to office, so you should ignore his record in office because of that and celebrate the election of a socialist in 2020.

    Hope it’s clear to you now.

  470. Phil says:

    Yeah, is Trump a naïve isolationist who is prematurely pulling American troops out of Syria or a war mongering interventionist who is starting an unnecessary war with Iran.

    It appears the NYT can’t make up its mind.

    Depends on the day I guess.

  471. Phil says:

    I’m sure the experts on the View will explain it all to us this morning.

  472. Tina says:

    Phil, when all else fails, you still have muh Russia.

    We now need to get the translators notes.

  473. Tina says:

    AP Central U.S.
    @APCentralRegion
    Authorities say a woman drove an electric shopping cart around a northern Texas Walmart’s parking lot for several hours while drinking wine from a Pringles can. She doesn’t face charges, but has been told to stay away from the store.

    This is Hillary’s 2020 Announcemnent for the Presidency.

  474. Robbie says:

    A reminder – Republicans suffered their worst defeat in a midterm election since Watergate in 1974, but Jason fraud claims there was no blue wave.

  475. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 10:20 am
    Forgot he attacked Romney?
    I’m shocked.

    – Poor, Phil. He fell for yet another one of Jason fraud’s lies. In 2012, my criticisms of Romney deal with his political abilities, not his character.

    On the other hand, Jason fraud attacked Romney just last week for daring to criticize the character of Trump and called him a scumbag for doing so.

    But I guess since Phil and Jason fraud both have the same opinion of Trump, Phil will ignore Jason fraud’s lie about my views on Romney in 2012 and will also ignore that Jason fraud just called Romney a scumbag last week.

  476. Robbie says:

    In the last month, Trump has embraced the foreign policy views of isolationist Ron Paul and the immigration views of noted anti-Semite Pat Buchanan and the “trucons” and “real conservatives” at HHR have basically cheered him on for doing so.

    I always knew Jason fraud was a fraud, but I have been surprised to learn what frauds so many others of you are. Next time I hear the usual suspects screaming about “muh conservatism’, I will just laugh and remind myself of how easily that was cast aside to defend and support Trump regardless of the issue.

  477. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 10:34 am
    Yeah, is Trump a naïve isolationist who is prematurely pulling American troops out of Syria or a war mongering interventionist who is starting an unnecessary war with Iran.
    It appears the NYT can’t make up its mind.
    Depends on the day I guess.

    – Nice effort at conflation here. Trump is a known isolationist, but the story about Iran dealt with Bolton’s views, not Trump’s views.

  478. Phil says:

    Like I said, I’ve been on this site nonstop for years. Outside of a couple of days during the Kavanaugh hearings I’ve never seen Robbie criticize a Democrat or their policies. It just doesn’t happen.

  479. dblaikie says:

    First of all, last years midterm was fairly normal for normal. The average Congress loss is around 30 seats while we lost 40 — that is bad. However we gained two Senate seats. In other words they offset. Like most midterm years the President’s party takes a hit. And yes, I missed it. I thought that the House loss was going to be minimal — I was wrong. But facts are facts and calling the last election a blue wave is just wishful thinking.

    On another matter, I went over to RCP and looked at the Trump job approval numbers. For the first time since I remember polls that only poll adults were the majority of the polls listed in the average. Even if they are accurate polls of adults is meaningless because less than half of adults vote. However they did list three polls of either likely or registered voters. They put Trumps approval at 44, 45, and 44%. I will take the low figure. So with the polls that mean something his approval is at about 44%. Not great but certainly not terrible.

  480. dblaikie says:

    I said that I wouldn’t respond to Wormtongue’s post anymore after reading 490 I can’t help myself.

    If we are all a bunch of frauds, do the smart thing and post in a place were folks are honest and respectable. You know I thought that my friend Jason call you an “amoral scumbag” was over the but I am slowing starting to see the wisdom of his definition.

  481. dblaikie says:

    I hate typos — not call but “calling you”; not just over but “over the top.”

  482. Phil says:

    Robbie will get back to you just as soon as he’s finished watching The View. He’s taking notes from Joy Behar and Whoopie.

  483. Barrett says:

    #488 – How can you justify this being the worst midterm since Watergate?

    Yes. House Democrats picked up 40 seats (potentially 41).

    But Republicans held the senate.

    In 2006 – Democrats picked up not only 32 seats in the house, but 6 seats in the Senate. They regained a majority in both chambers of congress.

    According to the New York Times – the popular vote for the 2018 midterm was:
    Democrats: 58,019,368 (52.5%)
    Republicans: 50,574,007 (45.8%)

    But for the 2006 midterms, the results were different:
    Democrats: 32,344,708 (53.2%)
    Republicans: 25,437,934 (41.8%)

    In summary:

    2018 – Democrats win by 6.7%, regain only 1 chamber of congress

    2006 – Democrats win by 11.4%, regain both chambers of congress.

    One is a blue wave. The other is not. Let’s see if Wobbles can figure this one out on his own!

  484. jason says:

    n 2012, my criticisms of Romney deal with his political abilities, not his character.”

    Huh, no, amoral scumbag liar.

    Your regurgitated EVERY attack by the MSM on Romney’s character here, nothing was too despicable, too low, or too outlandish for you. His character, his family, his businesses, nothing was too over the top for you.

  485. jason says:

    I always knew Jason fraud was a fraud, but I have been surprised to learn what frauds so many others of you are.”

    Definition of “fraud”: anyone who accepted the results of the 2016 election and think Trump would be better than a socialist moonbat in 2020.

  486. jason says:

    Trump is a known isolationist, but the story about Iran dealt with Bolton’s views, not Trump’s views.”

    Hilarious how amoral scumbag wants to have it both ways, just like the MSM.

    Who appointed Bolton?

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason in a C blocking A-hole.

  488. janz says:

    #497. Interesting comparison of 2 midterm elections, Barrett.

  489. Phil says:

    How many Republicans has Robbie ever had a decent word to say about? Any Republican that doesn’t recite the latest Washington Post – NYT story of the day is a Trump loving “fraud”.

    Hell, he railed against Marco Rubio for God’s sake. Probably wouldn’t have if Rubio had changed his name to Schumer. Then all we’d have heard is crickets.

  490. jason says:

    Jason fraud claims there was no blue wave.”

    Even the WAPO and other Amoral Scumbag favorite sources admitted there was no blue wave.

    A blue wave would have meant losses in the House AND Senate. That didn’t happen.

    In a blue wave, vulnerable Dems would have held on. They didn’t. Most lost. Nelson, Heitkamp, Donnelly, McCaskill were the 4 most vulnerable, none won. Manchin squeaked by because he convinced enough morons in WV he is a conservative.

    In a blue wave, Rs would have lost the governorships of swing states like Ohio and Florida. That didn’t happen.

    In a blue wave, Dems would have achieved control of a lot more state legislatures than they did.

    Dems had a solid win. Wave, no.

  491. janz says:

    #464. Tina, it sure helps a political party to have over 90% of MSM in your back pocket to cherry-pick and/or filter all the news. The Puerto Rico trip, showing the unserious antics of dems having fun in the sun – with scant news coverage or criticism – is a prime example of this observation.

  492. Tina says:

    Saw trumps presser this am, before he headed to Louisiana,

    Said that there will be more firings at the FIB.

  493. janz says:

    Phil, Robbie has become a Bruno figure on this blog – only more sarcastic and polarizing.

  494. janz says:

    #507. Trump has hinted earlier about “more to come,” regarding FBI revelations. But, again, you know how he loves to tease.

  495. Tina says:

    I know janz,

    I am so excited,

    Something is going down.

    Indictments somewhere of comedy and McCabe, and then peep walks,

  496. NYCmike says:

    “In the last month, Trump has embraced the foreign policy views of isolationist Ron Paul and the immigration views of noted anti-Semite Pat Buchanan and the “trucons” and “real conservatives” at HHR have basically cheered him on for doing so.”

    -In regard to foreign policy, he has looked to withdraw from Syria and Afghnistan – two places which are hornet’s nests, and also places where Dubya Bush didn’t go (Syria) and didn’t want to stay (Afghanistan). How is it “conservative” to stay in these places without a clear-cut national interest and end-game spelled out?

    In regard to immigration, Trump has consistently spoken about stopping ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, as well as speaking admiringly about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who did came here legally. How is that similar to Pat Buchanan, the “noted anti-semite”?

  497. NYCmike says:

    “did came”

    -Dang straight!

  498. Tina says:

    New Jebot stupidity:

    National Emergencies can only be used to help foreign countries,

  499. Phil says:

    It’s not, Mike. It’s Robbie spewing Ana Navarro and leftist BS. Simple as that.

  500. CG says:

    You people need to accept that Robbie is speaking his mind and his views are valid, just like the views of others are valid. How you all choose to interact with each other in terms of name calling, etc, is up to you.

    Nobody has been a more ardent or consistent supporter of Mitt Romney from his first Presidential campaign on, and Robbie is correct and others are not. I had plenty of disagreements with Robbie on Romney during those years but he did not attack Romney’s character (although others recently have) and it’s ridiculous to not accept that he approaches politics from a conservative perspective and is not in anyway associated with Democrats or the left.

    The same can be said of me, and nobody but the goofiest of the insecure here tries to claim that I am a liberal. It should be the same for Robbie.

    We just all disagree, especially on Trumpism. The Republican Party is extremely divided right now, regardless of what polls of Republicans say and there is no need for people like us to be silent on the HHR or anywhere else.

    One day, perhaps this year, next year, or 10 years from now, the verdict on Trumpism will be in, and the Republican Party will be a reflection on that. Some of us are just never going to view him or what he stands for as acceptable. I am sure there are plenty of blogs and comment sections which are moderated to ensure that only pro-Trump talking points are aired, and perhaps that is where some others here would find themselves more comfortable.

  501. CG says:

    “Nobody has been a more ardent or consistent supporter of Mitt Romney from his first Presidential campaign on”- speaking of myself here.

  502. CG says:

    Trump on Pat Buchanan, 1999

    “He’s a Hitler lover. I guess he’s an anti-Semite. He doesn’t like the blacks. He doesn’t like the gays. It’s just incredible that anybody could embrace this guy,”

    Twenty years later, he cites him as a reason to support his policy.

    The change in his view on Buchanan is completely valid to mention.

  503. Phil says:

    Robbie would have a lot more credibility as a conservative if he occasionally had something negative to say about a Democrat or their policies. I’m here daily and it NEVER happens. Maybe something occasionally positive about a specific conservative policy enacted by Trump – cancellation of the Iranian deal, pulling out of the Paris Climate accords, conservative appointments to the bench, pulling back on government regulation? Something. Anything. All we get from him is 100% drivel from the Democrat puppets in the MSM. Nothing else.

    If he’s a conservative he’s unlike any conservative I’ve ever seen…..and yeah, he’s free to speak his mind. That’s not and never has bee the issue.

    I wasn’t wild about Romney in 2012, but I gave money and time to his candidacy in 2012 because I knew who he was running against. I sure didn’t go around quoting NYT drivel about Romney being some sort of Marie Antonette elitist or animal abuser.

    Enough.

  504. CG says:

    Post 421

    “Am curious how long Jewish voters will stay with a party that has an increasingly large number of its leadership making anti-Semitic statements.”

    As a Jewish Republican, I ask myself that a lot in terms of my party and what it has embraced or chooses to overlook. For now, I am hoping that right path will ultimately prevail, which is I why continue to vote Republican, but certainly not for Donald Trump and would not for people like Steve King and the rest of his ilk.

  505. Phil says:

    No, comparing Trump to Pat Buchanan isn’t “valid”.

    There is an obvious difference between legal and illegal immigration although it’s obvious why Robbie’s pals refuse to make the distinction.

  506. CG says:

    I have been here since 2004 and Robbie has consistently expressed disagreements with Democrats and a desire to want Democrats to lose. It’s not even a question.

    He also has been consistent in being pessimistic about Republican electoral chances. Sometimes, his fears have been valid, sometimes they are not.

    So, both things can be true.

  507. CG says:

    We are comparing Trump’s dramatic change in tone on Pat Buchanan.

    Trump himself though just cited a Buchanan Op-Ed on immigration, so Trump is now welcoming the comparison.

    Trump is the epitome of what Buchanan ran on in 1992-2000.

  508. Phil says:

    Consistently expressed disagreements with Democrats?

    I’m here daily and the only thing “consistent” has been nonstop attacks on politicians with an R by their name. Schumer and Pelosi get some sort of pass.

  509. Tina says:

    The only thing expressed is my consistent support for Hillary.

    -Jebot

  510. Phil says:

    I’m tired of it.

  511. CG says:

    Phil, to me, it seems like you see what you want to see and you focus on what you want to focus on.

    If any sort of disagreement or criticism of Trump bothers you so much, then a moderated pro-Trump site might be better.

    The guy who owns this site happens to be an anti-Trump Republican himself, so it’s no surprise that people like Robbie or I might be posting here.

  512. NYCmike says:

    Please link to the Buchanan piece on illegal immigration that Trump just cited.

    I consider you like an MSM story which does NOT give you their sources. I would rather you link to something, so I can read it and make up my own mind, instead of going with your “analysis”.

  513. CG says:

    Again, if there were any actual fans of Schumer and Pelosi posting here, there would be plenty to point out to them and to “fight” with them about. I wish there was a true “bi-partisan” political comment section like Politics1.com attempted to be back in the day.

    There are no actual Pelosi or Schumer fans here, just some very petulant Trump lackeys, so it seems self-evident that is where the “conflict” will be.

    One can be anti-Trump and also anti-Pelosi/Schumer. Both things can be true.

  514. CG says:

    527. You have better access (at least at the moment) to Trump’s Twitter feed than I do. Stop being lazy. Being non-deportable is not an excuse.

  515. CG says:

    In 1999, Trump issues a blanket refutation of Buchanan. Called him a “Hitler-lover” which is about the worst thing anybody can be called.

    That he wants to cite Buchanan on *anything* now that he is actually President is the noteworthy aspect.

  516. Tina says:

    Trump is just advocating for what the drats claimed that they wanted in 2006.

    Doormat Bush was for amnesty while the 2006 drats thst won control were not.

    Bush was not lying about his stances, but the drats were lying.

  517. NYCmike says:

    “Phil, to me, it seems like you see what you want to see and you focus on what you want to focus on.”

    -As opposed to “CG”, who in his strident refusal to acknowledge any good action taken by Trump, NEVER asks himself “What would a Democratic President be doing right now?”, but then claims to have opposed Obama’s actions, even though it is very clear that ANY Democratic President would have continued Obama’s policies.

  518. CG says:

    What a Democrat would be doing is irrelevant to me. A Democrat (at least not an open one) is not President now. I have lived (as teenager or adult) through 16 years of Democrat Presidents and have criticized both of them enough to last a lifetime.

    It is untrue though that I have not expressed times when I have agreed with Trump Admin policy or have not countered what I thought was unfair or irrelevant criticism of him or Administration. It’s ridiculous to claim otherwise. It’s also irrelevant. Trump could do 100 out of 100 things I approve from a policy perspective and I am still of the belief he is a horrible, rotten, human being.

  519. Tina says:

    Bill Barr to Tell Senators During Confirmation Hearing, “It’s Vitally Important” That Mueller Complete Russia Probe

    Recycling bush bots is just awful. I hope to be wrong.

    Bush 41 had better people than mute 43 though.

    Barr is no Ed Meese.

  520. Phil says:

    So Robbie goes 365 days a year without anything negative to say about Democrats or their policies because “there is no point”.

    24/7 for years?

    Sorry, not buying that one. Like I say, unlike any conservative I’ve ever run across.

  521. CG says:

    Phil, while I cannot do it today, let’s say I go into the HHR archives and find 20 examples of Robbie speaking negatively about Democrats…

    Will you be willing to donate money to a charity of my choice?

  522. Tina says:

    Now would be a good time for Whitaker tomfire Mulehead for obstruction and destroying text messages. I am sure Weissmann or Rhee are behind that.

    Strike when the enemy is weak and distracted.

  523. Phil says:

    533

    The subject has been Robbie. Not you.

  524. CG says:

    538. NYC makes it about me by name all the time. That is who I was responding to.

  525. Phil says:

    Good luck with that one.

  526. Tina says:

    Emerald Robinson
    Emerald Robinson
    @EmeraldRobinson
    ·
    2h
    Let’s be honest:
    @davidfrum
    is an “intellectual” in the same sense that Milli Vanilli were “musicians” and your local tattoo parlor is full of “artists.” And if I’m being unfair, it’s probably to the tattoo parlors.
    Quote Tweet
    David Frum
    @davidfrum
    Trump has now twice denied being an agent of a foreign power, which is two denials more than all previous presidents combined. Winning! #maga

    Boom, these war mongers are easily beaten.

  527. CG says:

    So, is that a yes or a no for charity?

    I don’t think you actually believe Robbie is a leftist. You are just triggered by him for some reason and are just trying to get people to embrace a smokescreen.

    What you suggest about his posting history is easily refutable.

  528. Tina says:

    Byron York
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    ·
    2h
    On NYT FBI-investigated-Trump story, we’re still in the credulous reporting stage of this particular Trump-Russia storm, but ultimate blowback against FBI could be pretty severe. From
    @jacklgoldsmith
    : (link: http://ow.ly/AWni30njcrp) ow.ly/AWni30njcrp

    You need indictments against the coup plotters. Bleed them dry.

  529. Phil says:

    Trump had denied being an agent of a foreign power twice. Name me another president that has been accused of something this ridiculous? The fact that Trump has had to respond to a goofy accusation is supposed to prove something?

    Frum. Another one of Robbie’s pals.

    What’s the matter with these people?

  530. Tina says:

    I do not see how Wrong Wray or Rotten Redacstein survive the blow back.

    I think Redactstein should not be allowed to leave until he testifies.

  531. NYCmike says:

    “Stop being lazy.”

    -You are being lazy.

    You said Trump cited something. Show the link where this happened.

  532. Phil says:

    Think whatever you want. Everyone on here has read Robbie’s postings and links on a daily basis. You’re right about one thing. He’s “consistent” alright.

  533. CG says:

    I believe in the FBI.

    When it comes to Trump, I am of the mindset that where there’s smoke, there’s often fire.

    There simply is no logical rationale for how a man who attacks anybody verbally at anytime has never said a negative word about Putin and who has gone to great lengths to conceal what he has discussed with Putin, etc.

    If the FBI did an investigation and found there was no evidence, so be it, but I am glad they are around.

  534. Tina says:

    Phil, last night, they were upset that he did not “respond” to this question, when asked on the Judge Jeanine show. Video is available as to how the judge asked it (laughing) and how he answered it.

    Now, they are mad that he answered no.

    But Flim Flam will continue to lie and mention that he is and that he colluded,

    He should just say you and your question is ridiculous or absurd.

    You need to ask Hillary if she is an Russian agent since $$$ from Pooty poot when to the foundation,

  535. CG says:

    NYC, go to Trump’s Twitter and click on the link.

  536. CG says:

    544. Was it equally goofy that Obama had to deny being born in Kenya?

    An accusation that of course came repeatedly from Trump.

    Was it goofy that Ted Cruz had to deny his father was involved in the JFK assassination?

  537. CG says:

    547. So clearly Phil is unwilling to risk donating money to charity to prove a point about Robbie because he knows his point is b.s. Got it.

  538. Phil says:

    Yeah, the FBI has covered itself in glory. Loved their in depth interview with Hillary – a real piece of fine law enforcement work. Peter and Lisa – yeah real rocks of integrity.

    Enough of this.

  539. Tina says:

    I am not sure that Wrong Wray and soon to be Ag Barr can fix the Fib.

    This is a huge scandal.

    McCabe and comedy and the mistress ruin its reputation, which had very little.

  540. Phil says:

    Ah yes, forgot about McCabe. Another shining example of integrity.

  541. Barrett says:

    I respect the FBI. I respect the CIA, NSA, and Department of Homeland Security. I trust our National Security apparatus and I hope it continues to perform admirably.

    At the same time, these executive institutions are just that- extensions of the executive branch, not the judicial branch – which means that they are fallible from a political perspective.

    Rod Rosenstein, Robert Mueller, and James Comey. They all have their own political agenda, and CNN and MSNBC keep fueling it. They need to cut it out.

    I agree with you CG, where there is smoke, there is fire. But Mueller has been at this for more than 20 months. The Democrats have the house and subsequently subpoena power. If something other than paying hookers had occurred, I would challenge house democrats and Robert Mueller to come out with it.

  542. Barrett says:

    And one more thing from #556 – since relatively little has come out, other than a small handful of indictments and some facts showing that Trump is a pain in the ***, I am hugely skeptical that this is not a political stunt.

  543. Tina says:

    Don’t forget Pete the cheat and the mistress.

  544. CG says:

    Ken Starr was at it for a lot longer than 20 months. Republicans in Congress were on Benghazi for a lot longer than 20 months. I supported those things because justice demanded it.

    Be patient. Justice demands it. This is unfolding in real the time the more people plead guilty or flip on Trump. Mueller is being very thorough.

  545. CG says:

    Seems to me like there have been some pretty significant indictments/guilty pleas.

    If Trump has nothing to worry about, that will come out too. I will accept the findings.

  546. Barrett says:

    And what did Ken Starr’s investigation show after 20 months that we didn’t already know?

    Everyone knew Bill and Monica did the deed, and that Bill told her to lie about it. BFD.

    Investigations like these stay alive because of media ratings. But if you look at the intelligence agency and the real work they do (counter-terrorism, intelligence gathering, etc) – that’s what matters to me. I don’t care for political spectacle

  547. Barrett says:

    I will accept the results as well. But will it be another 20 months?

    I’m sure if someone monitored me for almost two years that they Trump has been monitored, they would eventually find something that they really didn’t like.

  548. Barrett says:

    Sorry, “the way Trump has been monitored”

    Typos….

  549. CG says:

    If I recall, there was a dark haired woman with a beret and a blue dress that we didn’t know about.

  550. Tina says:

    Fuhrer continued a fib, cia counterintelligence investigation.

    This began well before Fuhrer muleheads appointment as the insurance policy , corrupt gubment official used to cover up the fib crimes.

  551. CG says:

    All sorts of people in the ’90s and now have said that obstruction of justice is no BFD. I just disagreed then and still do now.

    I see no reason why Bill Clinton should have gotten away with breaking the law, just because he was President, at the expense of Paula Jones’ constitutional rights. Lady Justice is supposed to be blindfolded.

  552. CG says:

    You aren’t entrusted with the Presidency though and whatever they found, I doubt they would find you colluding with a hostile foreign government.

    If Trump didn’t, then it won’t be found. If he did, he has to pay the price.

  553. Tina says:

    Follow the commie.

    What was the commie doing in Russia in early 2016.

  554. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The FBI acted disgracefully in 2016. When Comey justified his re-opening of the Clinton E-mail probe by saying that “he was sure Clinton would win the election” he was playing politics. A lot more evidence has come out about the FBI’s political activities in 2016 as well. It was completely inappropriate.

  555. Barrett says:

    #1 – Infidelity has been in politics for as long as politics has been around. So its no big deal, not really.

    And BJ Clinton didn’t get away with it because he was president. If I were married and pulled that stunt, chances are I probably could have gotten away with the same thing. I was only 13 though.

    #2 – If Trump colluded with a hostile foreign government, such as that of Russia, then he should face criminal charges and be removed from office. But I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    Dozens of people have folded. A handful of people have been indicted, as I mentioned before. And still, after 20 months, nothing on Trump. At some point you are left to make one of two conclusions

    #1 – Trump did something wrong, but has so much power and so many connections and loyal followers, that nobody is ever going to get to him.

    #2 – He didn’t do it or know about it.

    Either way, if either of those are true, nothing will come of it. If Trump is going to be removed from office, it will likely be in 2020 if and when he is voted out.

  556. CG says:

    Based on the reports of the way that AG nominee William Barr answered the questions about the Mueller investigation being allowed to continue and how its findings should be made public, I see no reason why he should not be promptly confirmed.

    All things considered, he is a better person for the job than Jeff Sessions.

    (wondering though if Trump feels snookered again)

  557. CG says:

    I don’t think infidelity is something to be overlooked, but with Clinton it was about perjury and obstruction of justice. With Trump, it may be about those things as well as what is being looked into.

  558. lisab says:

    you should not accept the mueller report

    it is a prosecutor’s report.

    mueller will not put anything in the report that in any way helps trump. it is completely one sided.

    accepting the report is the same as basing a jury decision without hearing the defense — worse in fact because a defense lawyer would be able to exclude a lot of stuff that mueller will put in the report that would never be allowed in a trial.

    as the saying goes, a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.

  559. CG says:

    Clinton lied under oath, and worked to get others to do the same, in Paula Jones lawsuit.

    Whatever one thinks of Paula Jones, her Constitutional rights and the right to access the courts should have been considered as sacred as the right for the most elite of Americans to do the same.

    In the 1990s, Americans, with Donald Trump publicly agreeing, determined that lying about sex is normal and thus it was no “BFD.”

    Twenty years later, people on the right say that whatever somebody may have done, privately, or publicly, it is irrelevant if you like a policy agenda, or if the other side would be worse, or if the person is on the other side of the media.

    The Right has ceded the cultural battle to the Left. I for one disapprove.

  560. lisab says:

    a special prosecutor is a prosecutor

    not an investigator

    it is mueller’s job to build a case against the president, and that is what he will do.

    there may or may not be hard evidence against the president, but there WILL be a case made against him, strong or not.

  561. CG says:

    I do not believe Mueller will lie or invent anything in his report.

    It will be up to Congress. If they impeach, which remains a big if, Trump will be allowed to present a defense in the impeachment trial. It is inherently a political trial.

    If Trump ever goes to an actual criminal trial, he will of course be able to present a defense and the standard of proof is far greater.

  562. lisab says:

    that btw is why mueller can hire every anti-trump person in the country

    it is his job to be anti-trump.

  563. CG says:

    Mueller wasn’t given the task of investigating or prosecuting Trump. That is however where the evidence has seemed to lead. That isn’t his fault.

    Mueller probably cannot actually indict Trump Sr. but he can indict others, of course using actual federal statutes, etc.

  564. Tina says:

    Not so easy,

    The fraud report by Mulehead can be blocked under executive privilege.

    If we see anything, it would be a combo or counter report building on the Mulehead deficiencies in the report.

    Mulehead erred in hiring 17 hyper partisans and corrupt gubment officials, such as Rhee, Weissmann, Pete the cheat and the mistress,

    Redactstein erred in hiring the corrupt Mukehead,

  565. Barrett says:

    CG says:
    January 14, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    Clinton lied under oath

    – So do most Presidents, when they put their hand on a bible and swear to uphold the constitution, knowing full well that the constitution has already been ignored, violated, and essentially ripped to shreds.

  566. CG says:

    Had Trump listened to the advice not to fire Comey, he would have avoided all of this.

    Instead, he fired Comey, and on least two occasions said specifically that the firing was because of pressure over Russia.

    So, that got him an FBI investigation as to whether or not he is a secret agent of Putin.

    Why Republican feel the need to stand with him no matter what I will never know. He wouldn’t be doing the same for you and he isn’t much of a Republican to begin with.

  567. CG says:

    580. That’s a political judgment on your part.

  568. lisab says:

    mueller is a prosecutor

    it is his job to build the case of collusion

    that is his mandate

    and that is what he will do …

    i assume he will leak the report, or someone will, but that is a different thing.

  569. CG says:

    The oath of office says “to the best of my ability” so perhaps some wiggle room for politics.

    Being sworn in to testify involves, “the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth.”

  570. CG says:

    There has been *zero* leaking from Muller thus far. None.

    The report will be released with the intention of the public being able to read it. Trump and his political team will fight to prevent that.

  571. Tina says:

    And there is no collusion that is clear.

    There also can be no obstruction. They admitted that the president was not under investigation (when he was if the latest fib report is true). Then, they said it was a counter intelligence investigation.

    The President is the consumer of the ci.

  572. Tina says:

    I cannot get the bb article on pompeo to link.

    However, he rips apart the bush Bama foreign policy in the Me.

    Pompeo is turning out to be a really good sos.

  573. Tina says:

    Joel B. Pollak
    Joel B. Pollak
    @joelpollak
    ·
    2h
    Caroline Glick: Mike Pompeo Destroys the Ideological Legacy of Obama’s Middle East | Breitbart (link: http://bit.ly/2FvQi4U) bit.ly/2FvQi4U via
    @BreitbartNews

  574. lisab says:

    i am sure all the anti-trump people will build a case against him to the best of their ability

    that is their job.

    however, it is also the job of regular prosecutors to build cases against people to the best of their ability,

    that does not mean you do not need a defense attorney

  575. lisab says:

    and no one has any idea of what has been leaked by mueller or his team

    a simple google search provided this from the la times

    “Special counsel Robert S. Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference must be nearing its end. We’ve reached the leaking endgame.

    Late Monday, the New York Times reported that it had obtained a list of nearly 50 questions that Mueller has submitted to President Trump’s lawyers. The questions explore what Trump knew and felt about several figures involved in his campaign who’ve been indicted or implicated in some way in Mueller’s probe.”

  576. CG says:

    So, the system was inherently biased towards Hillary and inherently biased against Trump. Got it.

    Frankly, both are lucky they are not behind bars.

  577. Paul says:

    It takes someone special to critique the US legacy in the Middle East while working for an administration without any coherent policy and is creating chaos in the region.

  578. CG says:

    It’ the witnesses (which would include those on Trump’s legal team) that are doing the leaking.

  579. CG says:

    I’d trust Pompeo to get things right in the Middle East a lot more if Trump was not in the picture.

  580. Paul says:

    One week, you send signals to Turkey that we’ll look the other way while they invade the Kurdish area of Syria. Just about a week later, tweet that you’ll destroy Turkey if they lay a hand on the Kurds.

  581. lisab says:

    Tina,

    i would be astounded if mueller has nothing to report

    how often does a grand jury from washington dc clear a republican?

    it may be frivolous crap, (or not), but there will be a case made.

  582. lisab says:

    It’ the witnesses (which would include those on Trump’s legal team) that are doing the leaking.

    ———————————

    good to see you still are privy to the inner workings of mueller and his team/s

  583. Tina says:

    I see so far the following in Mukehead

    The indictments are all do to tax matters or lying or maybe something, but more likely nothing (as it pertains to Gen Flynn). They are old.

    He will not secure any indictments from the Russian trolls because it is clear that he will not provide discovery. The judge is bought off though and is close friends with one of the agents wife. The lawyer for the Russian bots has stymied Fuhrer so far.

    Then, we have the lawsuit against Fuhrer and Fuhrer is just deadlocked there. I hope Fuhrer has good liability insurance.

  584. lisab says:

    NYT Reveals FBI Retaliated Against Trump For Comey Firing

    A Friday expose from the New York Times reveals that the FBI investigation of Trump for alleged treason was little more than retaliation against the president for lawfully firing an incompetent and ethically challenged FBI director.

    In a Friday night news dump, the New York Times revealed the FBI’s surprisingly flimsy justification for launching a retaliatory investigation into President Donald Trump, their chief adversary during their recent troubled era.

    Admitting there is no actual evidence for their probe into whether Trump “worked for the Russians,” FBI officials instead cited their foreign policy differences with him, his lawful firing of bungling FBI Director James Comey, and alarm that he accurately revealed to the American public that he was told he wasn’t under investigation by the FBI, when they preferred to hide that fact.

  585. Tina says:

    Lisa, it is ending since Worm .redactstein is retiring.

    It would still be lovely to have Whitaker fire Mulehead for destroying evidence, destroying a crime scene.

    Get a replacement to “finish”

    Have Barr the Bushie bottle it up by stating that the SC, under existing statute,was illegal since you can not appoint one to conduct a Ci. In short, Redactstein needed to provide the crimes being looked into.

  586. NYCmike says:

    “NYC, go to Trump’s Twitter and click on the link.”

    -I don’t do twitter.

    When I make a claim on HHR, I post a link to back it up, and then everyone can decide if my take is correct or not.

  587. lisab says:

    I see so far the following in Mukehead

    The indictments are all do to tax matters or lying or maybe something, but more likely nothing (as it pertains to Gen Flynn). They are old.
    ————————————-

    Tina,

    i have no idea if what mueller reports will be earth shaking or even accurate

    you would know better than me

    i am just saying anyone who thinks the report will say,

    “we checked everything and trump is clear”

    is kidding themselves. it will be a highly partisan, VERY negative report …

    which may or may not be taken seriously.

    i have zero idea how political damaging it will be, other than that cg and robbie will take it at face value

  588. Robbie says:

    Impossible. I was assured by the HHR comment section the shutdown was an awesome idea and Trump killed it in his speech last wee.

    Quinnipiac University Poll
    @QuinnipiacPoll

    U.S. Voters Back Dem Plan To Reopen Government 2-1, Poll Finds; More U.S. Voters Say #PresidentTrump TV Address Was Misleading https://bit.ly/2TwscL1 #Shutdown

  589. Tina says:

    The NY Times is information that I knew since day 1.

    However, it is a snippet and likely a leak by somebody against somebody else.

    For example, McCabe, who is under criminal investigation, could have turned against Comedy.

  590. NYCmike says:

    In regard to the Middle East and Trump – please tell me which President got it right, and never did anything wrong in that region.

  591. NYCmike says:

    Jan 14, 2019 – a bad poll means ZERO.

    Hold steady.

  592. Tina says:

    Laura Loomse and illegals storm piglosi yard.

    Set up camp.

    Lol, no clue who looker is, but it sounds funny.

  593. Tina says:

    Lisa

    No doubt, Mukehead will write his sheot.

    However, trump will redact significant portions due to national security and exec. Privilege.

    The report will also be corrected, modified, supplemented, whatever you call it, and then released.

    See, it’s made public after all, which is not a requirment under the Sc,

  594. CG says:

    NYC is like the poor guy who is secretly illiterate and asks everyone to read things to him. I don’t think he knows how to search on the internet. Sad.

    https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/patrick-buchanan-memo-trump-declare-emergency

    The Buchanan column, endorsed by Trump via Twitter, makes the case against legal immigration via a racial standpoint.

  595. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 11:27 am
    Like I said, I’ve been on this site nonstop for years. Outside of a couple of days during the Kavanaugh hearings I’ve never seen Robbie criticize a Democrat or their policies. It just doesn’t happen.

    – This is what I love about Phil. When he doesn’t like what I have to say, he just says I’m a Democrat. So sad.

    Even though Phil is a Tea Party, Ted Cruz supporter, I have never said he’s not a Republican.

    That said, Phil’s whiny response is a perfect reflection of what it means to be a Republican in the age of Trump. Any deviation from Trump now means you’re not a Republican.

    I will never understand how supporting a liberal NYC conman became the essence of conservatism, but he has certainly pulled the wool over a lot of people’s eyes.

  596. Barrett says:

    CG says:
    January 14, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    580. That’s a political judgment on your part.

    It is – but it would explain in all fairness why we differ in opinion on the significance of President Clinton’s actions.

  597. Tina says:

    Lindsey Graham said after interviewing Barr last week that he was surprised to learn that Barr and Mueller have been good friends for over 20 years and that their wives attend Bible study together.

    Red alert, I do not like recycled bushies in gubment positions. Said so, well before Barr was nominated.

  598. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 1:41 pm
    It’s not, Mike. It’s Robbie spewing Ana Navarro and leftist BS. Simple as that.

    – The View must really get under Phil’s thin skin because he seems to think what those women say matters.

  599. lisab says:

    #608

    “No doubt, Mukehead will write his sheot.”

    Tina,

    that is all i am saying. it is his job after all.

    i do not have your faith that the report will not be leaked.

  600. Tina says:

    Kari has to join mess lsd or cn and n,

    Hopefully,they have no segments of him eating,

  601. lisab says:

    i hear flake is joining abc

  602. Phil says:

    Not a tea party supporter, Robbie but keep digging.

    I supported Rubio in the last election not Cruz but don’t let facts get the way of a good story.

  603. Tina says:

    Kasich*

  604. lisab says:

    i hear flake is joining abc
    ——————–

    even worse … cbs!

  605. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    I’m tired of it.

    – And I’m tired of watching you shill for a scumbag like Trump just because he promised you a stupid wall. Get some thicker skin while you’re at it because you’re going to get a lot more tired over the next two years.

  606. Phil says:

    Flake to CBS?

    I’m shocked.

  607. lisab says:

    MILAN (AP) — Milan menswear designers are sending clear signals for next fall and winter: Feminine touches are not only acceptable, they are necessary.

    During three days of Milan Fashion Week previews focused on menswear, collections featured shiny and sheer textiles, sequined garments, lace and scoop necks.

    The trend to feminize the male wardrobe could be interpreted as encouragement for getting in touch with a female side or as an explicit sign of solidarity after a year when the sexual harassment and assault of women became a global theme.

  608. Tina says:

    Barr could also just thank Fuhrer .mulehead for the report and tell him that it was a pleasure to be at your daughters wedding, etc, and do nuffin with it,

    But no way is Fuhrer Muleheads report being presented as is.

    Redactstein will be proud of the redactions,

  609. Phil says:

    Seems you’re the one who needs thicker skin, Robbie. Work on it.

  610. Tina says:

    Did Schiff or Lulu ever find out what is going on in Ed Bucks apartment?

    As a Californian, I am troubled and concerned with what is going on.

    The video is just shocking.

    Sex for meth?

  611. lisab says:

    Flake to CBS?
    I’m shocked.
    ————————

    cbs NEWS no less!!!

    there was a time cbs news was the gold standard

    walther cronkite must be rolling over in his grave

  612. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    Robbie would have a lot more credibility as a conservative if he occasionally had something negative to say about a Democrat or their policies.

    – Here we go again with this tired trope of Phil’s that I don’t cry about Democrats enough for his liking. Again, get over it. This is a conservative forum and we all agree Democrat/liberal policies are wrong for the country. Why do I need to restate over and over what you and I already agree upon. Just to satisfy you when I dare speak against Trump? Sorry, not going to happen.

  613. CG says:

    CBS is in need of conservative voices like Flake’s on their platform.

    I assume Flake is still considering a Presidential primary bid. It also seems more likely that Maryland Governor Larry Hogan may challenge Trump. Perhaps, he has nothing to do lose.

    Hogan’s electoral track record is very impressive, but he is not as conservative as Flake.

  614. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    533
    The subject has been Robbie. Not you.

    – No. The subject is you’re thin skinned and apparently can’t handle reading anything negative about Trump that comes from a Republican voter like me. Grow up.

  615. CG says:

    Keep reading Robbie. Phil backed down when challenged to put his money where his mouth is.

  616. CG says:

    But maybe enough’s enough. You guys don’t like each other. Just let it be.

  617. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:19 pm
    So Robbie goes 365 days a year without anything negative to say about Democrats or their policies because “there is no point”.
    24/7 for years?
    Sorry, not buying that one. Like I say, unlike any conservative I’ve ever run across.

    – This trope is so tired, but Phil must think it’s a winner like Trump thinks it’s a winner to yell “caravan” every time he gets into political trouble. Again, I don’t really care if you think I don’t cry enough about Democrats in this forum. We all agree their policies are wrong so I’m not going to repeatedly talk about something that everyone in this forum believes. If you can’t handle that, that you’re problem. Not mine. get thicker skin.

  618. lisab says:

    “The trend to feminize the male wardrobe could be interpreted as encouragement for getting in touch with a female side”

    speaking just for me …

    i don’t want men getting in touch with their female side …

    i knew allowing beach volleyball into the olympics was a bad move

  619. Tina says:

    alShort
    ·
    1h
    “You have Iranian-backed Houthis, Iranian-backed Hezbollah, Iranian-backed Shia militias in Iraq, Iranian-backed forces in Syria…In each case, the root of the challenge stems from the revolutionary nature of the Islamic regime and their efforts abroad.”

    Pallets of cash to the max mullahs will do it.

  620. Phil says:

    “Tired trope”

    You must be looking in the mirror. You spew the same crap fifty times a day, day in day out.

  621. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:29 pm
    Trump had denied being an agent of a foreign power twice. Name me another president that has been accused of something this ridiculous? The fact that Trump has had to respond to a goofy accusation is supposed to prove something?
    Frum. Another one of Robbie’s pals.
    What’s the matter with these people?

    – This is so laughable, but this is what Phil’s been reduced to writing these days. Phil assumes every conservative or center right Republican who disagrees with Trump and thus Phil despises is somehow my buddy. How stupid.

    That would be like me saying Phil is a buddies with Corey Lewandowski simply because they both support Trump.

  622. Tina says:

    Dear Diary,

    James Comey
    @Comey
    This is not okay, not normal. That the witness intimidation continues while hundreds of thousands of honest public servants are without pay moves it from just outrageous to unconscionable. Can Republicans hear the past asking, “At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

  623. Tina says:

    “Witness Intimidation.”

    Lol

  624. lisab says:

    the only “republican” i could see running against trump is bloomberg

    and he is more likely to run as a democrat

    i doubt kasich will run, at least not as a republican

  625. Phil says:

    I quit reading at tea party Cruz supporter.

  626. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:32 pm
    Think whatever you want. Everyone on here has read Robbie’s postings and links on a daily basis. You’re right about one thing. He’s “consistent” alright.

    – And I’ve been part of this forum long enough (October 2004) to know there was a Phil before Trump and then there’s a Phil after Trump. The Phil after Trump is willing to cut Trump slack he never would have been willing to ever cut for a Democrat or for any “establishment” Republican.

  627. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 14, 2019 at 2:31 pm
    “Stop being lazy.”
    -You are being lazy.
    You said Trump cited something. Show the link where this happened.

    – What I love about NYCmike is he’s one of the most ardent Trump supporters, yet he’s also one of the most uninformed Trump supporters.

    Go look at Trump’s Twitter feed, NYCmike. There you will see him quoting anti-Semite Pat Buchanan this past weekend.

  628. Phil says:

    One last time for the record…I like Trump’s policies with the exception of trade and have said so. I’ve also said he is his own worst enemy with style and am on record that he’ll never get another term.

    A Trumpbot I’m not.

  629. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 3:53 pm
    Not a tea party supporter, Robbie but keep digging.
    I supported Rubio in the last election not Cruz but don’t let facts get the way of a good story.

    – Says the guy who claims I’m a Democrat because I won’t roll over and support Trump.

  630. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 3:57 pm
    Seems you’re the one who needs thicker skin, Robbie. Work on it.

    – Says the guy who just spent two hours attacking me while I wasn’t even here.

  631. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:03 pm
    But maybe enough’s enough. You guys don’t like each other. Just let it be.

    – He chose to spend two hours this afternoon attacking me when I wasn’t even here. I’m going to respond.

  632. Phil says:

    No one asked you to roll over and support Trump and you know it – but I don’t think it’s asking too much for you to maybe quit sounding like Joy Behar nonstop.

  633. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    “Tired trope”
    You must be looking in the mirror. You spew the same crap fifty times a day, day in day out.

    – And you spew the same crappy defenses of Trump 50 times a day and for what?

    You’ve become almost as bad as Jason fraud when it comes to lying about what I believe or don’t believe.

  634. CG says:

    He’s far more of a Meghan than a Joy.

    Now, when are some of you guys going to stop trying to sound like Laura Ingraham?

  635. Phil says:

    LOL The things you’ve said about me over time and now you’re whining? Man, this is rich.

  636. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:10 pm
    I quit reading at tea party Cruz supporter.

    – LOL. You know exactly what I wrote and that’s why you keep responding. This is an internet forum where everyone has to be right.

  637. Phil says:

    Yeah, I know what you wrote. Cruz supporter. Get your facts straight.

  638. CG says:

    What I’ve had a problem understanding from Phil is why, if he supported Rubio, just like the departed AuthorLMendez supported Rubio, why did Phil say he always he knew that Author was an “open borders” guy?

    Why wouldn’t they both be “open borders guys” or neither if they both felt so strongly about Rubio?

  639. CG says:

    That’s a mystery or am I just missing something obvious….?

  640. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:21 pm
    No one asked you to roll over and support Trump and you know it – but I don’t think it’s asking too much for you to maybe quit sounding like Joy Behar nonstop.

    – I’m going to post what I believe and, if that bothers you. I suggest you simply ignore me.

    Trump is doing serious damage to the Republican Party, both in the short term and the long term.

    I tried and tried to sound the alarm over the last two years and all I got was “but muh Rasmussen”, “but muh historical averages”, and some sort of gibberish that Trump had established a new political reality.

    What did all of that nonsense get us? A loss of 40 House seats, a loss of eight governorships, and a loss of more than 300 state legislative seats.

    And if everyone continues down the same path and says “the Democrats are too progressive and Trump’s got this, then we’ll lose the White House, more seats in the House, and control of the Senate in 2020.

    The time to cut Trump loose is now. There is no better Trump. He doesn’t have magic pixie dust he can spread over the electorate and win.

    If that sound like Joy Behar. Too bad. Even a broken clock is right twice a day

  641. Phil says:

    You’ll have to ask Author. Based on his blog he’s gone full blown MD since he quit posting.

  642. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:28 pm
    Yeah, I know what you wrote. Cruz supporter. Get your facts straight.

    – Who did you support in the 2012 Texas Senate primary and Senate runoff? Dewhurst or Cruz?

  643. Phil says:

    Dewhurst was an empty suit and just about anyone in my state could have told you that. You didn’t have to be a “tea partier” to do that and most in my state aren’t.

    But if as you suggest I’m such a “Cruz supporter” why didn’t I support him over Rubio?

  644. CG says:

    MD is a registered Democrat now. Author is a registered Libertarian for whatever reason who is mostly voting for Democrats now. Still though, he never backed “open borders” then or now. You and he were for the same candidate, right?

  645. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 14, 2019 at 4:39 pm
    Dewhurst was an empty suit and just about anyone in my state could have told you that. You didn’t have to be a “tea partier” to do that and most in my state aren’t.
    But if as you suggest I’m such a “Cruz supporter” why didn’t I support him over Rubio?

    – When I referred to you as a Tea Party, Ted Cruz supporter, I was not talking specifically about the 2016 race. I was speaking more broadly about the version of conservatism you espouse. In contrast, I am a proud establishment Republican.

  646. CG says:

    Maybe it would have been different if I actually lived in Texas, but as an outsider in 2012, I may have leaned towards Cruz over Dewhurst.

  647. Phil says:

    Hold it. All you have to do is check out the numerous posts I made during the 2014 election regarding Sharon Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado, O’Donnell in Delaware…I was all over hose morons and then there is Murdock in Indiana. I could go on and on. I was the first to sound the alarm the night Akin won the Mo primary.

    My version of conservatism? Think again.

  648. CG says:

    Yeah, the pre-Trump s.tuff is irrelevant at this point. It’s bad enough he supports Trump and thinks the party should stick with Trump. That’s the point of contention.

    However, Phil is different than the cheerleaders because Phil admits Trump is likely to lose.

  649. Phil says:

    I was a big supporter of Cornyn over Stockman in the Republican senatorial primary four yrs ago. I am VERY mainstream Republican. I could go on and on with numerous examples.

  650. CG says:

    Steve Stockman is now a convicted felon.

    Victim of a witch-hunt?

  651. Phil says:

    Well, I do have a little insight on the Stockman character. Two years before he ran for the senate he defeated an accountant friend of mine for his congressional seat in the Republican primary. It was close. After the election I sat in my friend’s office and he told me stories about Stockman’s lack of ethics and criminal behavior that would make your hair curl. If you looked at the term slime ball in the dictionary you’d see Stockman’s picture.

  652. CG says:

    Character matters, including the higher up you go.

  653. Phil says:

    One story he told me was something about Stockman and his wife embezzling money from a business before the guy even got into politics. He said it was common knowledge. He said Stockman got into the tea party faction not as an ideological thing but as an in towards getting into public office. He embodied the worst characteristics of any politician…or any human being for that matter.

  654. Tina says:

    I am a proud establishment Democrat

    -Jebot

  655. lisab says:

    phil,

    arguing with robbie/corey about this is pointless.

    instead, ask yourself, is their behavior in any way substantively different from a dem trying to use alinsky’s rules against you and other republicans? i would say no, their behavior is e actly the same.

    their main argument is that “YOU should not support trump or other republicans that help him because trump is immoral.” you should instead do nothing to help him and the result will be that the country to be run by aoc, pelosi, schumer etc.

    that is an alinsky ploy, and if you point out the dems have done something, they will scream whataboutism at you.

    instead, i suggest you decide which PARTY your personal values are most aligned with and do everything you can to see that party wins, because the dems are not going to play nice if they win in 2020. it is in their nature.

    whether robbie/corey are just the type of republicans who would rather have seen hillary win in 2016 or if they are posers using alinsky’s rules

    there is no difference in their behavior

  656. janz says:

    “instead, i suggest you decide which PARTY your personal values are most aligned with and do everything you can to see that party wins, because the dems are not going to play nice if they win in 2020. it is in their nature.”

    Lisab, beautifully said. I also concur with your descriptions of CG and Robbie, as being very Alinsky-like in how they “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it,” which just so happens to be Rule #12 in Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

    I’m not really sure why they even post here, unless the purpose is to be a human burr under everyone’s skin.

  657. CG says:

    Shorter lisab-

    You should demand that nobody disagree with you.

    Of course, lisa doesn’t really care about any of this. She posts here out of boredom. She used to post long stories about her upbringing, family life, and other voids, looking for sympathy and when she did not receive enough of it, she decided to drastically change her political outlook in order to cultivate allies here.

    My view is that anybody is free to hold whatever views they want, but in a forum like this, they should be prepared to defend them. Others would prefer an echo-chamber.

  658. CG says:

    There’s nobody who does the Alinksy thing more effectively than Trump. That cannot be argued.

    During the campaign, janz questioned the patriotism and humanity of anybody here who did not support Trump.

    In all our arguments about politics in society, that is the basis of how we operate I suppose.

  659. CG says:

    “human burr” might be apt to some. You cannot help how you feel, but again, if you want a Trumpist echo-chamber, there will be other moderated sites that will provide that, just like Daily Kos provides a moderated echo chamber for the left.

    Clearly, those here who are challenged on Trumpism are rarely able to defend it, so they resort to complaining about being challenged.

  660. CG says:

    Robbie can speak for himself, but I am pretty civil to people here. I don’t use profanity or engage in stupid nicknames, or accuse people of selling their mother into slavery, or call on people to kill themselves, etc, which are all things the pro-Trump side is known to do here.

    janz is the first one who needs to look in a mirror.

  661. CG says:

    And lisab’s obsession with accusing Robbie or either being gay or some sort of potential predator isn’t exactly above-board.

    janz doesn’t complain when lisab does that. She high-fives her.

  662. CG says:

    Several years ago, lisab was so angry at Tim over something irrelevant she created a website to call him names. Is that Alinsky-ite perhaps?

    And when Tim V. said something offensive to her, which he apologized for, she went out of her way to target his wife and make threats towards her.

    Again, vaguely Alinksyite.

  663. lisab says:

    she went out of her way to target his wife and make threats towards her.
    ————————-

    wow, i guess i touched a nerve

    but no i have never threatened tim v or his wife …

  664. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag has the moral standing of a floating turd.

    Every claim he has made here about being outraged at anything Trump has done or said is a blatant lie, anyone who thinks Amoral Scumbag has any “morals” is a blithering idiot.

    Corey is welcome to associate himself with him in the name of TDS, politics makes strange bedfellows as they say. Amoral Scumbag regurgitated every MSM attack on Romney’s character while Corey was Romney’s “biggest defender”.

    In the end, Amoral Scumbag was more accurate about Romney’s character than I was, but that is hindsight.

    The fact is Amoral Scumbag wanted Romney to lose, wanted Hillary to win, and wants a socialist to be elected in 2020.

    If that doesn’t make him a leftist, Corey can come up with a better definition for a leftist.

    Amoral Scumbag is a despicable excuse for a human being.

    The fact he thinks somehow he is superior morally to Trump is the biggest joke on this blog.

  665. jason says:

    “Teir main argument is that “YOU should not support trump or other republicans that help him because trump is immoral.” you should instead do nothing to help him and the result will be that the country to be run by aoc, pelosi, schumer etc.”

    Exactly.

    They are so deranged they actually think a socialist President would be better than Trump.

    And all their fake outrage at Trump is really nothing more than sour grapes because he destroyed Jeb Bush.

    It’s hard to get more small minded and petty than the Jebbots.

  666. jason says:

    “Character matters, including the higher up you go.”

    You don’t admire character, stop lying.

  667. lisab says:

    Lisab, beautifully said. I also concur with your descriptions of CG and Robbie, as being very Alinsky-like in how they “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it,” which just so happens to be Rule #12 in Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
    ——————————–

    if an animal looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck … but says it is a dog

    i would not play fetch with it

  668. jason says:

    You people need to accept that Robbie is speaking his mind and his views are valid, just like the views of others are valid. How you all choose to interact with each other in terms of name calling, etc, is up to you”

    Hilarious.

    He is not speaking his mind. He is regurgitating borrowed MSM talking points against Trump just as he did against Romney and countless other Republicans. He regurgitated MSM points against McConnell here for a year trying to convince everybody here McConnell was going to lose to the ditzy moron that ran against him and lost by 15.

    There is nothing “valid” about it.

    If you are uncomfortable with Amoral Scumbag being called an Amoral Scumbag, feel fee free to go elsewhere.

    I don’t have to accept anything as valid, especially your vapid viewpoints.

    GFY.

  669. jason says:

    Why do I need to restate over and over what you and I already agree upon”

    I love it, this is truly hilarious.

    Amoral Scumbag only attacks Republicans because a conservative site should never attack liberals.

    Astounding.

  670. lisab says:

    robbie/corey could sincerely believe that the republicans would be better off losing than winning with trump

    but their behavior would be EXACTLY the same as a dem using alinsky’s techniques

    both wouls say, “trump is immoral, so YOU should let the other side win”

    but …

    most people here will be profoundly unhappy with the changes in the country if the dems win in 2020

  671. lisab says:

    so my point to phil was,

    why argue about their label

    if they still quack?

  672. Phil says:

    Trump is insane. Trump is a Russian agent. Trump is trying to undermine our democracy and become a dictator. Trump is a racist. The MSM goes on a different tangent every week. All this a steady drumbeat that changes day to day, and we can always rely on the same individual here to parrot the MSM talking point of the day – like clockwork.

  673. lisab says:

    we can always rely on the same individual here to parrot the MSM talking point of the day
    ————————————-

    yes, yes you can

    but a duck has to be what a duck has to be 🙂

    imagine you were on a dem blog, would you say how great obama was

    or would you point out his flaws?

  674. Phil says:

    I know. Let’s all just sit back and watch Kamala Harris become President because her socialism is nothing compared to Trump’s flaws.

    Brilliant. Nicole Wallace would be proud.

  675. lisab says:

    well, yes … YOU should let harris win

  676. janz says:

    “During the campaign, janz questioned the patriotism and humanity of anybody here who did not support Trump.”

    You’re a one-trick-pony, CG, by using and then distorting this one earlier general election comment to legitimize a repetitive slur. I do give you credit, though, for being a superb rhetorical contortionist who unfortunately lacks any depth.

  677. lisab says:

    funny, i seem to recall janz getting bashed everyday

  678. jason says:

    CBS is in need of conservative voices like Flake’s on their platform.”

    No, actually they are in need for some balanced reporting.

    They are not going to get that with Flake.

    They already have 39 Trump bashers out of 39, now they have 40 out of 40.

    If Flake was actually someone interested in presenting a balanced view, you wouldn’t want him at CBS.

  679. jason says:

    “superb rhetorical contortionist who unfortunately lacks any depth”

    Not bad description of Corey, although I would have left out the “superb”.

    The contortions are massive, but they are very transparent.

  680. jason says:

    Let’s all just sit back and watch Kamala Harris become President because her socialism is nothing compared to Trump’s flaws.”

    Yes, and Amoral Scumbag is now on record as he is “looking forward” to this happening.

    Trump, if he loses, will continue to be a billionaire.

    We will live under socialism because it “punishes Trump”.

    This is how small these people think.

  681. NYCmike says:

    “their main argument is that “YOU should not support trump or other republicans that help him because trump is immoral.” you should instead do nothing to help him and the result will be that the country to be run by aoc, pelosi, schumer etc.”

    -Can’t argue with this.

  682. NYCmike says:

    DJ?

  683. NYCmike says:

    DCC

  684. Phil says:

    Yep, Flake will contribute to that CBS “balance” alright.

    The network and the left in general couldn’t find a more useful idiot.

    Balance my ass.

  685. Tina says:

    Looking forward to trump losing.

    Looking forward to Romney losing,

    Nothing has changed.

  686. Proud Obamacon says:

    Darn that Steve King.. Shhhhh buddy, you know you can’t say these things out loud! Must advance white agenda without actually saying so, DUH LOOOOOSAHHH

    LOL what a looosah and a loooosah party for pretending to be outraged. ALL Dumba$$e$

    #RESIST!

  687. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    690. “we can always rely on the same individual here to parrot the MSM talking point of the day.”

    Pretty obvious isn’t it. Plus, someone who has to repeatedly claim they are a conservative Republican, while consistently quoting leftist sources. I don’t claim to be that conservative, but can see through the act as much as anyone else on the board.

  688. janz says:

    Living in CA all my life, I’ve watched it go from a relatively conservative, “golden” state into a socially engineered one, disintegrating faster and faster as democrat dominance has succeeded.

    We are now terminally blue.

    With our socially progressive transformation completed, a new governor has shared his new, “improved” ideas of governance: wants to challenge long standing Jarvis property tax protection; give billions more to our politically correct, dysfunctional, & failing schools; tax drinking water; give free college to everyone; establish universal health care — all with open arms and sanctuary status for anyone entering CA illegally.

    Paying for these freebies will be created by fanning class warfare, ultimately shaming and forcing producers to pay more while homeless, illegals, welfare recipients contribute less or nothing at all.

    This is our destiny and punishment here in CA, though, for listening to people like CG and Robbie who have difficulty discerning better from worse, when it comes to elections. With their armchair appraisals of what constitutes moral from immoral, serious from superficial, and petty from important, you too (aka the rest of the country) can live/work under the leadership mandates of a Kamala Harris (plucked from CA), AOC, Cory Booker, Pelosi (also a Californian), where social/financial mobility, opportunity, freedoms become either rare or altogether extinct.

  689. Wes says:

    Well, this argument escalated quickly.

  690. Tina says:

    Po,

    Quittens wants King to resign,

    Yet, the house Ds want to do Either a resolution of disapproval or censure.

    His committee assignments were removed.

  691. janz says:

    wes, a very dry comment, indeed.

  692. lisab says:

    regardless of actual intentions …

    trump losing in 2020

    is functionally the same as the dem candidate winning in 2020

    and if a someone tries to tell you differently, note how upset the dems were in 2000 at nader and in 2016 at dr. stein

  693. Tina says:

    More on King.

    Rep Rush disagrees with clyburn as to the punishment.

  694. Tina says:

    Seems like Quittens is for the most harshest punishment

    Clyburn the least.

    Rush in between (censure)

  695. janz says:

    Tina, republicans tend to brush the dirt quickly off their clothes. Dems, however, tend to look the other way (crickets), when someone from their own party says or does something untoward.

    Ironically, such non-action seems to work for the dems, while the republicans are discredited or jeered for repudiating their own.

  696. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    661. “In contrast, I am a proud establishment Republican.”

    Ok, Robbie. Who was the last national establishment candidate you voted for? We know was is not Trump or Romney.

  697. NYCmike says:

    https://ricochet.com/588086/10-reasons-trump-will-win-reelection/

    -I don’t agree with all of these points, but some of them make sense.

    It will be 50/50 going into 2020.

    Get your panties ready for a rough ride!

  698. NYCmike says:

    Question of the day:

    Will you keep using Gillette razors?

    Yes or No?

  699. NYCmike says:

    #6 – “Let’s call Trump a Putin-puppet racist rapist, compulsive liar, narcissistic conman who sexually desires his daughter, and is literally Hitler.

    Done. What else you got?”

  700. Bitterlaw says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/formmb?lang=en

    MD retweets Maxine Waters. Wow.

  701. lisab says:

    bitterlaw has never DENIED being a

    yankees fan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJUbfynMGM

  702. Tina says:

    Trump just served the Clemson football team fast food from 3 different chains.

    A Jebot is upset about the fast food.

    Several football players were eating two or more Big Macs.

    Trump paid for the food and had Senators Granite and Scott in attendance.

  703. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab never denied not helping that child.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZt7J0iaUD0

  704. Phil says:

    LOL

    MD has lost his mind. He’s obviously had a stroke. I feel for the guy.

  705. Tina says:

    orningMika to US Enemies: Now’s the ‘Moment to Act!’ http://bit.ly/2QNQ1fx

    5:32 PM – Jan 14, 2019

    The morning transgender wants our enemies to strike us.

  706. Tina says:

    Seems like John Dowd should repay his attorney fees to Trump.

    Dowd claims that there is a coup by Mulehead, comedy, and the infamous others.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/john-dowd-coup-donald-trump/

  707. Tina says:

    “This is our worst nightmare that someone with that kind of power would then decide to go after the President. I mean it’s a coup,” Dowd said. “That’s what it is an attempted coup by Comey and his crowd. And the evidence is all over there. I take the New York Times article as an admission of their bad behavior.”

    John Dowd, former trump attorney (retired)

  708. lisab says:

    don’t know luka,

    but i worked with 24/7/365 institutionalized abused teens

    they are actually pretty cool, until they throw a chair through the tv

  709. jason says:

    Romney should know better than get into the cesspool with the MSM.

    I guess he forgot what they did to him in 2012.

  710. Tina says:

    Joel B. Pollak
    Joel B. Pollak
    @joelpollak
    ·
    55m
    Democratic Coalition Chair: Trump, Putin May Be Blackmailing Lindsey Graham over ‘Sexual Kink‘ (link: http://bit.ly/2FvMiRM) bit.ly/2FvMiRM via
    @BreitbartNews

    The jebots missed this?

  711. NYCmike says:

    “I guess he forgot what they did to him in 2012.”

    -It is really very puzzling, after what happened in 2012.

    They absolutely savaged the guy, and his family, and his whole career.

    Just terrible political instincts.

  712. NYCmike says:

    Putin and Graham – I could believe that.

  713. NYCmike says:

    Looks like Trump is really trying to get Bitterlaw to like him…….did you see what the White House served the Clemson football team?

    ALL-American Food!

  714. NYCmike says:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/twitter-jokes-seeing-clemsons-fast-food-spread-white-house-004241506.html

    -Not really sure what to think about this……somewhere, EML is having an absolute meltdown!

  715. NYCmike says:

    Talladega Nights Redux!

  716. lisab says:

    i can see serving college students high quality pizza and burgers

    but mcdonald’s?

  717. Tina says:

    A Jebot on faux news is claiming that trump is a racist for serving the fast food.

  718. CG says:

    He better get Taco Bell to pay for all that food.

  719. lisab says:

    fast food is racist?

  720. Tina says:

    Lisab, a former obumbler official made that allegation.

  721. Tina says:

    Mike Cernovich ???
    Mike Cernovich ???
    @Cernovich
    ·
    3h
    The Trump fast food stunt legit one of his best moves in weeks.

    – Memeable,

    – Endearing,

    – Laugh inducing,

    – Draws out snobs who attack the cuisine 75% of country consumes.

    Epic,

  722. lisab says:

    trump is the worst racist ever …

    he won the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in celebration of patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity

  723. Tina says:

    Lisab, some of the big players (linemen?) took 3 or 4 burgers.

  724. Tina says:

    Robert Barnes
    Robert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    ·
    33m
    Another bit of wisdom from
    @benshapiro
    on
    @joerogan
    : the Constitution allows impeachment w/o a crime. What does Constitution say? Only impeachment for a “high crime.” Shapiro claimed the words meant nothing b/c politicians could ignore them. Bad argument for a “constitutionalist”

    Little Benji needs to quit Twitter for a few days, he and .quittens are having bad days,

  725. Tina says:

    Robert Barnes
    Robert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    ·
    44m
    Plenty of fair criticism of Venezuela political handling of economy, but when people like
    @benshapiro
    go on
    @joerogan
    and say Chavez had the state take over the entire economy in 1998, it shows he’s a complete idiot who gets his talking points from
    @NRO
    articles.
    Quote Tweet
    Robert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    “In fact, the private sector [under Chavez] still controls two-thirds of Venezuela’s economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998” (link: http://fxn.ws/1zWbYMf) fxn.ws/1zWbYMf #FoxNews

    Yeah, benji needs time off,

  726. lisab says:

    the dems will almost certainly impeach trump

    the youngsters have no regard for the constitution

    the old guard want payback for clinton

    i would say 90% chance

  727. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    744. What does Constitution say? Only impeachment for a “high crime.”

    Not true. Here is the text:

    “The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

    The House voted to impeach both Nixon and Clinton “for obstruction of justice.” Assume it would be the same if they attempted to impeach Trump.

  728. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    746. “the dems will almost certainly impeach trump the youngsters have no regard for the constitution the old guard want payback for clinton i would say 90% chance”

    The Senate will not convict. Also the attempt could backfire. Don’t forget that Clinton had some of his highest popularity ratings when he was being impeached. The Democrats actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.

  729. Wes says:

    Clinton was also personally popular before impeachment and skillfully framed the attempt as an attempt to overturn the election. Trump would most likely go off on weird tangents that would undermine his message before he could make a coherent case against impeachment.

  730. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    21m
    McCabe’s FBI Tried to Re-engage Christopher Steele After Comey Was Fired. Congressional testimony by DOJ official Bruce Ohr shows FBI went back to disgraced source between Comey’s firing and Mueller’s appointment.

  731. Tina says:

    Remember, the leaks are self serving.

    Somebody could be leaking against McCabe, comedy, Baker, etc.

    However, pretty clear the fib was weaponized against the President. Something, I mentioned over a year ago.

    We are bracing for the final ig report.

  732. Tina says:

    Right now, it would appear that three are in legal trouble:

    Comedy for stealing gubment property and leaking classified documents.

    McCabe

    Brennan, the Commie

  733. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hunterw/status/1084954858254405633

    The above is the yahoo reporters “interview” with trump on the fast food for the football players.

    Pretty good moment for the reporter and the President.

  734. Bitterlaw says:

    If Trump held a press conference wearing a KGB uniform and declared that he was a Russian agent, Tina would call it fake news.

    If everybody involved in the investigation of Trump held a press conference to announce that Trump did nothing wrong and they made the hole thing up, Corey and Robbie would call it fake news.

    I don’t think Trump did anything wrong but I am not obsessed one way or the other in advancing a position.

  735. Messy says:

    742. IT’s one of those awards you can BUY. Sort of like JD Power’s.

  736. Tina says:

    I don’t think Trump did anything wrong but I am not obsessed one way or the other in advancing a position.

    This is stupid,

  737. Bitterlaw says:

    If Tina thinks it is stupid, my post must have hit a nerve.

    Still love ya, Tina!

  738. Tina says:

    The both can be true statements are actually even more stupid.

    Get some better material, it’s a new year.

    Still love yah Bl,

  739. Bitterlaw says:

    2 posts from Tina without a link to twitter or Gateway Pundit? Impressive.

  740. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    ·
    8h
    So…by the FBI’s post-Trump standards for C.I. investigations, would this off-mike exchange between Obama & Putin’s deputy (where Obama offers Putin “more flexibility” on NATO missile defense in Europe) be grounds for opening an espionage probe of Obama?

  741. Tina says:

    Actually, it is six posts , but I know you may be mathematically challenged.

  742. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    ·
    18h
    By opening formal criminal & counterintelligence investigations of President Trump based on suspicions his policies were too conciliatory toward Russia, the FBI opened a disturbing new chapt in which the secret federal police agency can now criminalize presidential foreign policy

    Sorry, bl, I care too much because the above stuff could do permanent damage to this country, I have said this from the beginning that I would be equally upset if bush did this to Obama, or Clinton. It is not a party issue for me. It is simply corruption of gubment which must be rooted out.

  743. Tina says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1084907700910256129/photo/1

    Look how effective border walls, barriers have been.

    San Diego

    El Paso

    Yuma

  744. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    An Obama-appointed Judge strikes again. This time on an important Census ruling. This is no surprise and the SCOTUS plans to hear this case next month.
    In sum, the Judge claims that what the Adminstration wants “IS CONSTITUTIONAL, but the process was flawed.”
    As a derivative of Dan Rather’s “fake, but accurate”, this Judge says “real, but inaccurate”.
    I bet that SCOTUS overturns.

    “http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3720038/posts

  745. Robbie says:

    Imagine how well the economy would be doing if it hadn’t been hindered by Trump’s idiotic trade wars and useless government shutdown.

    CNBC No
    @CNBCnow

    BREAKING: Trump administration doubles estimate of shutdown cost to economy from original forecast, source tells CNBC.

  746. Tina says:

    The process is flawed.

    Lol

  747. Tina says:

    Barr does not seem hapoy with the fib opening up an investigation into Trump.

    Concurs with the firing of comedy,

    Maybe, he will have more gravitas than Sessions, who should have taken DHS.

  748. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    BREAKING: AG Nominee William Barr testified this morning that he suspected Obama AG Loretta Lynch & FBI Director James Comey hatched a “plan” to defer her authority to him re the no-prosecution announcement in Hillary email case, in spite of Comey’s claims he acted independently

    1,015
    8:19 AM – Jan 15, 2019

    Stunning.

  749. lisab says:

    The Senate will not convict. Also the attempt could backfire. Don’t forget that Clinton had some of his highest popularity ratings when he was being impeached. The Democrats actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.
    ————————-
    sdc,

    yes i know … but the youngsters like aoc don’t care

    and the older people want payback for clinton, they do not like that he goes down in history as the only modern president to be impeached (1 of only 2 in history)

    that he probably would be acquitted and that so far mueller’s been a disappointment does not mean anything to them

    yes, it could backfire

  750. Barrett says:

    Agreed – Senate wont convict.

    The path of least resistance here is a possible veto override if Democrats or Republicans pass plan to end shutdown.

    Easier to get a Republican senator to override a veto than to get them to convict.

  751. Wes says:

    Gallup has Trump at 37-59. That’s about where GWB was this time in 2007. GWB never recovered, and Republicans took it on the chin in 2008.

    At what point do we acknowledge Trump needs a course correction?

  752. lisab says:

    actually there have been MUCH less gop defections so far than i thought

    i assume romney has his own problems right now so is keeping quiet, but so far there is no “gang of eight” in the press every day planning a revolt

    i assume it is because the shutdown is hurting congressional districts more than entire states except for VA

  753. lisab says:

    i know a big part of what is hampering the dems is that federal employees get paid a lot

    it is hard for people to have sympathy for someone when they get 1.5 the money you get for the same job

    part of the problem is that DC/VA housing is so expensive now, they have to pay a lot, but it still does not look good on the news when you hear that the janitor at the smithsonian who makes $105,000 is not getting paid

  754. NYCmike says:

    Trump “lied” again – he said that the burgers were piled “a mile high”!

    What an immoral p*g!

  755. Tina says:

    Romney has been a mess since Day 0.

    Messed up on the wp fake news.

    Hope he settles down.

    But so far, big downgrade vs Hatch.

  756. NYCmike says:

    Best comment so far about the Super Trump Burger Buffet:

    “Donald Trump is serving Big Macs in the WH to Clemson players.

    Do you know what Big Mac sauce is? It’s basically Russian dressing.

    If this doesn’t prove collusion, I don’t know what does. Mueller has a slam dunk now.”

  757. Tina says:

    Angel Moms just stormed Piglosi’s Ofice,

  758. NYCmike says:

    “Angel Moms just stormed Piglosi’s Ofice,”

    -No matter what happens…….4 years (hopefully 8) of Trump will have been an interesting time, NO DOUBT about it!

  759. Wes says:

    Let’s not forget the Chinese curse, Mikey:

    May you live in interesting times.

  760. Robbie says:

    So it’s going well.

    G. Elliott Morris
    @gelliottmorris

    Approval of Trump down to 37% in Gallup’s weekly tracker, the lowest since February 2018. https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

  761. NYCmike says:

    “Approval of Trump down to 37% in Gallup’s weekly tracker, the lowest since February 2018.”

    -I guess Trump should start acting more “Presidential” like Dubya, and then his approval rating will rebound…….

  762. Barrett says:

    I would wager that Theresa May’s political career may be drawing to a close.

  763. Tina says:

    Tokyo Rose asked Barr to recuse himself, like sessions.

    Barr said the reason he would not follow Jeff Sessions’ lead was “because the regulations and the responsibilities of attorney general as the head of the agency vest that responsibility in the attorney general. And I am not going to surrender the responsibilities of the attorney general to get the title. I don’t need the title.”

  764. CG says:

    “I guess Trump should start acting more “Presidential” like Dubya, and then he might win a second term.”

    Fixed it for you.

  765. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    Gallup has Trump at 37-59. That’s about where GWB was this time in 2007. GWB never recovered, and Republicans took it on the chin in 2008.
    At what point do we acknowledge Trump needs a course correction?

    – At this point, it’s pretty clear a course correction is needed. The question is whether Trump realizes he needs one. So far, the answer is no. Each time he gets into political trouble, he resorts to his safety blanket of immigration, the wall, and the caravan. In fact, he just ran an election on immigration, the wall, and the caravan and Republicans suffered their worst defeat since 1974.

    If nothing changes, Republicans are headed for a sizable defeat in 2020 on the same order as the one suffered in 2008. It’s really that simple. Stick with Trump as is and lose the White House, lose more seats in the House, and likely lose control of the Senate.

    Just a quick glance at the 2020 Senate map shows Gardner, McSally, Perdue, Tillis, Ernst, and the open seat in Kansas could be in trouble depending on the quality of the challenger and the job approval rating of Trump.

    Frankly, now is the time for Republicans in the House and Senate to break with Trump. If they were to buck him on the government shutdown, it would break the back of his presidency and likely ensure a credible primary challenger that either causes him not to run for re-election or leads to his defeat in the primary. Regardless, Republicans across the country will have to prepare to distance themselves from Trump in order to have any chance to save their own skins.

    The 2020 race is winnable for Republicans. They can potentially regain control of the House and maintain control of the White House and Senate. But they cannot do so with Trump as the standard bearer. If he enters election day with his job approval rating where it has been for the first two years of his presidency, between 40% and 45%, Republicans will be swept away.

  766. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Former Fib Legal Counsel, Baker, under criminal investigation for leaking classified information.

  767. CG says:

    Most of the people here have made it clear they would rather have a quasi-socialist President than admit Trump has failed or is irredeemable.

    Trump= the ultimate deadend

  768. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #788
    Link?
    #787
    No mention of Doug Jones(D-AL). Why?

  769. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 15, 2019 at 2:58 pm
    “Approval of Trump down to 37% in Gallup’s weekly tracker, the lowest since February 2018.”
    -I guess Trump should start acting more “Presidential” like Dubya, and then his approval rating will rebound…….

    – At this point, it’s probably too late for that. But let’s not forget why GBW’s last few years went down the tubes. It had nothing to do with an unfair media. It had everything to do with an economy that stalled and then crashed and an unpopular war that saw upwards of 100 deaths per month in 2007 and 2008.

    Trump isn’t burdened by any of that. His standing with the public is in the trash because of the way he has chosen to behave. His petulant actions have driven away plenty of people who were otherwise willing to support him once he won. That includes my parents and, to a certain extent, even me.

    Trump has chosen to appeal only to his hardcore base and his buffoonish behavior has capped, probably permanently, how much room he has to grow in popularity. Honestly, it’s stunning to see a president with such a low approval rating with an economy that has been so robust.

  770. gameboy says:

    You are dead wrong #787. The Republicans only hope for 2020 is to unite behind Trump and run as one. Anything else will result in the Reps getting clobbered. Your theory will just lead to a divided party with half, or at least a good chunk of the voters sitting out.. Give me an historic example of where your theory worked for either party?? 1968 and 1980 for the Dems come to mind….we know how that turned out in each case.

  771. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 15, 2019 at 3:14 pm
    Most of the people here have made it clear they would rather have a quasi-socialist President than admit Trump has failed or is irredeemable.
    Trump= the ultimate deadend

    – Yep. People rarely want to admit they were wrong. Just as importantly, their desire to stick with Trump even though he’s becoming more and more toxic is a regrettable byproduct of his win. Because Trump won when no reputable data expected he would, his supporters now feel emboldened to disregard any evidence that suggests he’s in trouble because the polls were wrong in 2016 so they be wrong again. It’s the same reason so many here relied on Rasmussen for two years only to get a wicked dose of reality on election day 2018.

  772. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    1m
    Hse defets interim spending bill to fund gov’t through Feb 1. The vote was 237 to 187. But required a two-thirds vote for passage.
    With 424 voting, they needed 283 yeas. 6 GOPers voted yea. Hurd Herrera Beutler Stefanik Fitzpatrick SmithNJ Katko

    Piglosi loses this vote.

  773. CG says:

    Trump will become increasingly toxic by the month if present trends continue, and there is no reason to expect they will not.

    So, go down with the Orange Titanic or grab a lifejacket and act out of self-preservation.

    Trump had his chance (not that he deserved one) and failed.

    Yes, he nominated two people for the Supreme Court. You can hold on to that, but if a Democrat is President from 2020 to 2024 and then long after that as long as Republicans want to be the Party of Trump, all of that will eventually be for naught too.

  774. CG says:

    Rasmussen does have Trump at 43% today. Their favorite pollster, so they will argue that Trump can win with 43% of the popular vote, just like Bill Clinton did.

    If Kasich runs and gets 19% of the vote, they may be right. They ought to be wishing for that at this point if they are going to stick with Trump.

  775. Robbie says:

    gameboy says:
    January 15, 2019 at 3:20 pm
    You are dead wrong #787. The Republicans only hope for 2020 is to unite behind Trump and run as one. Anything else will result in the Reps getting clobbered. Your theory will just lead to a divided party with half, or at least a good chunk of the voters sitting out.. Give me an historic example of where your theory worked for either party?? 1968 and 1980 for the Dems come to mind….we know how that turned out in each case.

    – Republicans just united behind Trump in 2018 and it cost them 40 House seats, 8 governorships, and more than 300 state legislative seats. And as of today, Republicans remain united behind Trump (about 90%), but his approval rating continues to hover just above 40%. Why? Because the Republican Party does not equate to a majority of the country and it never has. In order to win, the party needs the group that helped put it over the top in 2010, 2014, and 2016, Independents. Right now and for quite some time, Independents have been 2-1 against Trump in polling and there’s little evidence to suggest that’s going to change.

    As for evidence, there is no direct comparison. But let’s look at 1968. Everything that could go wrong for Democrats in 1968 did go wrong. There was an unpopular war, riots and assasinations, a disastrous convention, and a nominee who didn’t even run in the primaries. Yet, Democrats came within a whisker of winning.

    In the end, the base that supports Trump wants to win. If Republicans fielded a candidate who can win (insert your own choice), they would be behind that person on election day. And on top of that, the new choice wouldn’t be running with the burdens Democrats did in 1968 or the built-in unpopularity of Trump.

    Is any of this likely? Nope. But it’s still better than marching into a sure political defeat.

  776. CG says:

    Whether he runs or not, Trump has already done tremendous damage to the Republican Party and the brand of conservatism.

    Those who do not like him never will. That is a fact. Those who like him but care about the future need to channel their inner Arianna Grande and say “Thank you, next.”

    The only hope Republicans have of winning in 2020 is agreeing to put differences aside and come together to support somebody other than Trump.

    If those differences cannot be put aside, not only will Republicans lose in 2020, but the party may be irreparably splintered for good and Democrats will feast on that for decades.

  777. Robbie says:

    Benjy Sarlin
    @BenjySarlin

    Benjy Sarlin Retweeted Greg Sargent
    It’s not just that the GOP got rocked in the midterms that’s an alarm bell here, it’s how they lost.

    Turnout was historic, the base showed up, but they got smoked with independents and likely lost moderate R’s in key races.

    Shutdown just seems to exacerbate the same dynamic.

  778. Wes says:

    Alternately, Mikey, maybe Trump can start acting presidential like Reagan and get people at large behind him and his Administration.

  779. CG says:

    The strong majority of Americans always liked Reagan personally, even when there as a recession in 1982, and his approval numbers suffered. After all, his first win was a landslide. They always liked him as a person. When the economy took off, there was no stopping him from getting a second term.

    With Trump, it’s different across the board. Not only did he win by something incredibly different than a landslide, it’s that people, even many who agree with his policies, do not like him personally. A strong majority of Americans have always disliked him as a person, even if they think the economy is going well.

  780. Tina says:

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    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
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    @ananavarro
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    Trump: “I never worked for Russia”.

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  781. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trumps-popularity-rose-despite-90-percent-negative-media-coverage-in-2018/

    -I think Republicans should be patient, ignore the #NeverTrumpers like Robbie and “CG” who want the Republican President to lose, and keep working towards a proper end…..the rule of law. Carry out immigration law, and use all the tools available, including building more BIG BEAUTIFUL WALLS, to make sure we stop the flow of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

  782. Barrett says:

    #799 – It wasn’t as bad as 2006. I’m going to re-paste this from my previous comment:

    Yes. House Democrats picked up 40 seats (potentially 41).

    But Republicans held the senate.

    In 2006 – Democrats picked up not only 32 seats in the house, but 6 seats in the Senate. They regained a majority in both chambers of congress.

    According to the New York Times – the popular vote for the 2018 midterm was:
    Democrats: 58,019,368 (52.5%)
    Republicans: 50,574,007 (45.8%)

    But for the 2006 midterms, the results were different:
    Democrats: 32,344,708 (53.2%)
    Republicans: 25,437,934 (41.8%)

    In summary:

    2018 – Democrats win by 6.7%, regain only 1 chamber of congress

    2006 – Democrats win by 11.4%, regain both chambers of congress.

  783. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 15, 2019 at 3:46 pm
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trumps-popularity-rose-despite-90-percent-negative-media-coverage-in-2018/
    -I think Republicans should be patient, ignore the #NeverTrumpers like Robbie and “CG” who want the Republican President to lose, and keep working towards a proper end…..the rule of law. Carry out immigration law, and use all the tools available, including building more BIG BEAUTIFUL WALLS, to make sure we stop the flow of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

    – They followed your advice in 2018 and it led to the biggest midterm defeat for Republicans since Watergate in 1974. But sure, it will totally work in 2020.

  784. Tina says:

    Angel moms storm Schumahs office.

  785. Tina says:

    New York Post
    @nypost
    Trevor Lawrence was a big fan of Trump’s fast food feast (link: https://nyp.st/2FzBiTv) nyp.st/2FzBiTv

    The jebots will be out for him now.

  786. Tina says:

    Cn and N dunce refers to Ivanka as the 2nd lady,

  787. CG says:

    There are no current polls that show Trump’s popularity has “risen.” Just the opposite.

  788. Tina says:

    Barr just destroyed willie Browns former Lovah, Kamela Harris.

    Remember, the way to defeat her is to mock her like the Dhs Secretary did.

  789. NYCmike says:

    “– They followed your advice in 2018”

    -Not really.

    In the places where Republicans lost, healthcare was the main issue. They did not follow my advice when it came to healthcare.

    Jan 21, 2017 was the date they stopped listening. The same bill that was passed in the earlier Congress was NOT re-submitted and passed. We never got to see if Trump would have vetoed that clean repeal.

    YUGE opportunity lost.

  790. Wes says:

    To be fair, Barrett, Republicans were at 8-23-2 in the seats up in 2018. They couldn’t sink any further–especially with Dems occupying several seats in GOP-heavy states, so 2006 and 2008 aren’t entirely comparable.

    Although the GOP gained Senate seats, they lost a full third more House seats than in 2006–including many districts Dems hadn’t won since Carter was President–as well as a comparable number of governorships and state legislative seats.

    It’s impossible to argue 2018 wasn’t a bad year for Republicans, the Senate notwithstanding.

  791. NYCmike says:

    2018 was NOT a good election……but it also wasn’t doomsday either.

  792. CG says:

    Barrett, we do not have national Senate elections, which carry over from cycle to cycle. What happened in 2018 was a product of a very favorable map for Republicans.

    Does it show Democrats are on the rise in all 50 states and might be poised to sweep the country from coast to coast and north to south? Absolutely not. There is a “Red Wall” in some states that prevented the “Blue Wave” that hit many others.

    Republicans should have done even better in the 2018 Senate races though, despite some pickups in red states and an impressive narrow win in FL.

    Republicans lost ground in Arizona and Nevada.
    Republicans failed to win fertile territory in WV and MT.

    Important states that went red in 2016 like MI, OH, PA, and WI were not even that competitive on the Senate level. Democrats won easily.

    There are Gubernatorial races in a good deal more states than Senate races and that went very badly for Republicans too for the most part. Some of the GOP wins were courtesy of NeverTrump Governors such as your own.

  793. Messy says:

    The Brexit deal lost by over 230 votes. This is going to be very interesting.

  794. Wes says:

    That was without a war (2006), economic downturn (1930), or major scandal (1974) to trigger the results. It was all a reaction to Trump.

    That doesn’t bode well for 2020–especially considering Republicans lost even with heavy turnout by their base.

  795. CG says:

    Hate to be crass but anybody who thinks Republicans lost Congressional races because they failed to completely dismantle Obamacare is dumb.

    It’s like saying that PETA hates McDonald’s because they phased out the super-sizing of burgers. Completely non-sensical.

    Had Republicans in Congress repealed Obamacare in full without replacement, as the Freedom Caucus wanted, the GOP losses would have been even greater.

  796. Robbie says:

    The 2018 loss suffered by Republicans was the worst since Watergate in 1974. They lost the national House vote by 54.3% to 44.8%. They lost the national House popular vote was 60.7 million to 50.9 million. That’s nearly 10 million votes. It’s the largest margin ever.

    To suggest 2018 really wasn’t that bad of a loss because of the Senate is just whistling past the graveyard. Serious damage was done to the party’s image. And let’s not forget, the House had been gerrymandered by Republicans to withstand a wave election and they still lost badly.

    If we’re going to argue a major loss wasn’t as bad as it seemed, then nothing has been learned and the corrections needed won’t be taken or even attempted.

  797. CG says:

    Is Yankees fan NYCMike going to hold himself to the same standard of responsibility about John Wetteland that he thinks I should have over Dennis Hastert?

  798. Wes says:

    Senate Republicans blocked Obamacare repeal. House Re[publicans passed it. Hard to argue Obamacare cost the GOP the House.

  799. CG says:

    In regards to Theresa May, Trumpists should realize this is what happens in democracies. In spite of leading the party to past wins, people within the party look towards the future and decide changes need to be made and people need to be cut loose. It happened to Margaret Thatcher too.

    The same thing needs to happen with Republicans and DJT if there is to be a realistic chance of winning in 2020 and being able to advance an agenda beyond that.

  800. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 15, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    “– They followed your advice in 2018”
    -Not really.
    In the places where Republicans lost, healthcare was the main issue. They did not follow my advice when it came to healthcare.
    Jan 21, 2017 was the date they stopped listening. The same bill that was passed in the earlier Congress was NOT re-submitted and passed. We never got to see if Trump would have vetoed that clean repeal.
    YUGE opportunity lost.

    – I honestly question if you even are aware of what’s going on in the world when you post here. You repeatedly seem divorced from reality.

    Immigration as the main election issue is a loser for Republicans and we saw that in 2018.

  801. CG says:

    I do not believe Steve King of Iowa has ever lost an election.

    Yet, House Republicans decided to basically kick him out of the party last night and to make him a non-entity in Congress, hoping he resigns.

    Are they wrong? Weigh in on if they were or if at times a party must cut ties with someone as an act of self-preservation.

  802. Tina says:

    Dow closes at 24065

    Up 155.

  803. CG says:

    Every single House Republican voted on the floor last night to condemn Steve King. Yet, Trump, who we all know watches plenty of cable news, refuses to weigh in on the matter and claims to be unfamiliar.

    It’s just like how in 2016 he pretended to not know who David Duke was, after David Duke endorsed him.

    Years earlier, he spoke in great detail about David Duke so either he knew who he was and lied about it or is demonstrating the signs of the genetic senility he is vulnerable to.

  804. NYCmike says:

    “Had Republicans in Congress repealed Obamacare in full without replacement, as the Freedom Caucus wanted, the GOP losses would have been even greater.”

    -You do not know that.

    IF Obamacare had been repealed as soon as possible in 2017, they would have had a year and a half to bring up bills to get market-forces back into the healthcare market. Those bills should have been written already, as they had 7 years under Obama to prepare.

  805. Wes says:

    Of course they also had a President who kept stepping on messaging with his infantile Twitter Wars, but, hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of a good narrative, shall we?

  806. CG says:

    The bills that could pass in the Senate wouldn’t pass in the House because people on the right thought they didn’t go far enough.

    Please try to be better informed.

  807. Robbie says:

    So I guess all of the “truecons” and “real conservatives” will support Trump if he decides to pull out of NATO because of muh populism and muh globalism, right?

  808. NYCmike says:

    “Is Yankees fan NYCMike going to hold himself to the same standard of responsibility about John Wetteland that he thinks I should have over Dennis Hastert?”

    -Yankees won despite Wetteland’s white knuckle pitching. I was glad to see him released in favor of allowing Mariano to become closer the next year, although Mo did lose it against the Indians in the ’97 playoffs.

    If he is guilty, hang him.

  809. NYCmike says:

    “Of course they also had a President who kept stepping on messaging with his infantile Twitter Wars, but, hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of a good narrative, shall we?”

    -Oh right, the “mean” words excuse……pathetic.

  810. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 15, 2019 at 4:43 pm
    The bills that could pass in the Senate wouldn’t pass in the House because people on the right thought they didn’t go far enough.
    Please try to be better informed.

    – NYCmike is one of Trump’s most devoted supporters and follows politics every day, yet he never actually seems to know what Trump has said nor does he actually understand that some things which can pass the Senate cannot pass the House or vice versa.

  811. Barrett says:

    #818 – like Phil said yesterday, why let facts and statistics get in the way of a good story, right?

    You just keep peddling your Never-Trump Doomsday rhetoric. It seems to be your ordained mission, bestowed upon you by a higher power.

    And CG, WV was Manchin’s for the taking, and he barely scraped by. Next time around I doubt he will hold that seat.

    Screw the facts…republicans are DOOOOOMED!

  812. CG says:

    NYC was sure agitated about Mitt Romney’s “mean words” a couple weeks ago.

    I guess they only are allowed to flow one way.

  813. CG says:

    Manchin won by four points in a very red state. Missed opportunity. The GOP will win WV in 2020 though at the Presidential level.

    Republicans losing in in Arizona and Nevada though are results that point towards national implications for 2020 and the Presidential race.

  814. Wes says:

    You’re right, Mikey. It’s pathetic you’re such an idiot you don’t realize coherent messaging is necessary for selling legislative agendas.

    With people like you claiming to be its base, no wonder Republicans took it on the chin in November.

  815. Tina says:

    Preet Bharara
    @PreetBharara
    If true: Trump should immediately and publicly state his apparent wish to withdraw from NATO so he can be promptly impeached, convicted, and removed from office.

    And this loon is a lawyah?

  816. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 15, 2019 at 4:47 pm
    #818 – like Phil said yesterday, why let facts and statistics get in the way of a good story, right?
    You just keep peddling your Never-Trump Doomsday rhetoric. It seems to be your ordained mission, bestowed upon you by a higher power.

    – You mean facts like the loss of 40 House seats, 8 governorships, and more than 300 state legislative seats?

    You can call it doomsday #NeverTrump rhetoric, but #NeverTrump accounts for a 100 people and yet the Trumper blame everything from Pearl Harbor to the Lindbergh kidnapping on them.

    Regardless, for two years I repeatedly said on this forum Trump was leading the party to bad loss in 2018 and even suggested in October 2017 Republicans could lose up to 40 House seats.

    I know you weren’t around for much of 2017 and 2018, but what led me to believe Trump and Republicans were headed to big losses still exist today and show no signs of changing. So as long as that’s the case, betting on more big losses in 2020 is the right course of action.

  817. NYCmike says:

    “nor does he actually understand that some things which can pass the Senate cannot pass the House or vice versa.”

    -Full repeal was passed by both chambers when Obama was President.

    We found out they were symbolic votes, that most of the more moderate members only voted Yea was because they knew Obama would veto.

    Pathetic.

  818. Wes says:

    Manchin and Tester Both still won in states Trump carried by double digits, Barrett. Show me a comparable election on the other side—that is, a Republican who won by double digits in a state Hillary carried.

  819. Barrett says:

    I find it ironic that Robbie takes the 2018 loss to heart more than any actual Republican does.

    Harris/Robbie 2020!

  820. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 15, 2019 at 4:50 pm
    You’re right, Mikey. It’s pathetic you’re such an idiot you don’t realize coherent messaging is necessary for selling legislative agendas.
    With people like you claiming to be its base, no wonder Republicans took it on the chin in November.

    – NYCmike just assumes the general public, who don’t follow politics at all, are as interested in legislation as he is. Wrong. Politics is about persuasion. Trump doesn’t ever bother to talk to people outside of his Fox News base and that’s why he’s never able to change minds.

  821. Barrett says:

    Wes, doesn’t matter. My comparison still holds.

    Dems took the senate in 2006, they did not take it in 2018.

    Do I think 2020 will be good for Senate Republicans? No.

  822. Wes says:

    Fact: The full House passed Obamacare in 2017.

    Fact: The full Senate defeated repeal.

    Fact: House Republicans lost badly.

    Fact: Senate Republicans hung on.

    Those are the kinds of facts Mikey likes to ignore.

  823. NYCmike says:

    “You’re right, Mikey. It’s pathetic you’re such an idiot you don’t realize coherent messaging is necessary for selling legislative agendas. ”

    -Wes needs to use name-calling….typical.

    Actually, brute strength of will was needed to pass the same bill which Obama vetoed, but they didn’t have it.

    Coherent messaging? From Congressional Republicans?

    The times you had that was 1994 and 2010, and it is people like you who most often criticize the leaders who gave you coherence.

    Take your ball and go home again, Wes. Have another look at the old noggin if you need it.

  824. Tina says:

    Bret Stephens of the slimes is melting down on twitter after Richard Grenell tore him up.

  825. Robbie says:

    Barrett says:
    January 15, 2019 at 4:55 pm
    I find it ironic that Robbie takes the 2018 loss to heart more than any actual Republican does.
    Harris/Robbie 2020!

    – If you don’t think Republican strategists who actually run campaigns rather than just appear on cable news aren’t petrified about what happened in 2018 and worry it will repeat in 2020, then I can’t help you.

    And to just ignore what I have to say as that of a Democrat is a big reason why the party is in the rut it is right now. Rather than do any amount of introspection about what happened, it’s just full steam and damn the torpedoes.

  826. Wes says:

    Once again, Barrett, Republicans were at 15 Senate seats in 2006. They were at 8 in 2018. All but one of their seats in 2018 were in largely GOP states. The two years are not comparable in terms of Senate composition.

  827. CG says:

    NYC is unfamiliar with the need of 60 votes to break a filibuster in the Senate. That was not in play when Obama was President nor Trump.

  828. Tina says:

    I thought the top 2 issues for the 2018 midtermss based on. Exit polls were:

    Immigration

    Healthcare.

    I would have added spending (excessive)

  829. Wes says:

    Mikey clearly knows less about what he’s babbling about in 845 than even I do despite my attempts to decipher that moronic pablum, but I’ve come to expect that from him.

  830. Tina says:

    Barr is more than holding is own against the Drats

    Whitehouse was trying to get at the fact that the DOJ and FBI should know about President Trump’s business dealings with foreign powers because the President is “in a position to make decisions that are biased or influenced by those business relationships.”

    Instead of answering the question, Barr discussed the instances congressmen did not need to go through background checks and ultimately concluded “business [relationships] with a foreign interest is not ordinarily a counter-intelligence concern.”

  831. CG says:

    There isn’t any Republican, who won, or one incumbent who lost aside, came very close to winning a Senate seat in a state Hillary won.

    So that’s an ominous sign for Gardner and Collins and maybe others for 2020 under Trump.

    I believe there may be just 4 Republican House members left who won districts she won.

  832. NYCmike says:

    “NYC is unfamiliar with the need of 60 votes to break a filibuster in the Senate. That was not in play when Obama was President nor Trump.”

    -“CG”,

    Please explain this statement. McCain, with his “thumbs-down” MSM moment was the 51st NO vote.

    Why are you bringing up a filibuster in regard to this?

  833. CG says:

    They weren’t voting on final passage at the time. Had McCain voted yes, it would have gone back to the House, where it was already DOA because Mark Meadows and the Freedom Caucus thought it didn’t go far enough.

  834. NYCmike says:

    Besides, it should not even have gotten that far. The SAME EXACT legislation that Obama vetoed should have been passed by both chambers and sent to Trump…..IF they had truly meant to vote Yea when they had done so, and then campaigned on said issue.

    That also would have put Trump in the position of having to sign or veto. If he had vetoed such legislation, it may have united people like me with the #NeverTrumpers.

    BUT, alas, Republicans (McCain) in Congress thought otherwise.

  835. NYCmike says:

    “They weren’t voting on final passage at the time. Had McCain voted yes, it would have gone back to the House, where it was already DOA because Mark Meadows and the Freedom Caucus thought it didn’t go far enough.”

    -Your opinion.

    Again, you brought up “filibuster”. Was a filibuster able to stop this? Or was it a 51 vote threshold?

  836. CG says:

    And in bringing up the symbolic votes when Obama was President, you are skipping over the fact that there were less Republicans in Congress under Trump (even before the midterms) than there were under Obama.

    Republicans lost three Senate seats since 2016, before the midterms. Democrats gained seats in the House in 2016 as well.

    It’s harder to get what you want legislatively when your numbers shrink. Just think of all the incumbents you wanted primaried and defeated to “send a message.”

  837. NYCmike says:

    “Again, you brought up “filibuster”. Was a filibuster able to stop this? Or was it a 51 vote threshold?”

  838. CG says:

    Again, Freedom Caucus members were unwilling to vote for the “same legislation” that Obama vetoed.

    That made it harder to pass, especially since Republicans saw their numbers in Congress shrink after 2016.

  839. NYCmike says:

    Again, you brought up “filibuster”. Was a filibuster able to stop this? Or was it a 51 vote threshold?

  840. CG says:

    It depended on if the bill could be passed via reconciliation or not.

    Again, House conservatives were unwilling to vote for what McCain and others were willing to vote for and what House conservatives wanted, couldn’t even come close to passing the Senate, with or without McCain.

    You had Trump doing the Democrats dirty work for them by calling Republicans “mean” and musing about single payer European style health care are preferable.

  841. CG says:

    The biggest failure is that Trump could not even get one solitary Democrat to vote his way.

    He couldn’t communicate and was not at all feared politically in these districts so Republicans had to do it all themselves and didn’t have enough votes/were too divided.

    Now, thanks to Trump and his apologists, Obamacare is more popular than ever.

  842. CG says:

    And why signal out McCain for that one vote when Collins and Murkowski voted the same way?

    Should Democrats replace them?

    Flake voted the way you wanted that evening and you and others have reached the determination that it was worth replacing him with Sinema.

  843. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    It would be easier if you would just say “A filibuster could not be used in this situation, as it was a 51-vote threshold needed. I was WRONG to bring up that Senatorial tool.”

    Instead, you will just keep harping on Meadows and the HFC, because all of your comments pertaining to that are pure speculation, so you can’t be wrong, as it never came to pass.

  844. CG says:

    They weren’t debating final passage. It is unknown if the final bill could have been constructed in a way to bypass the 60 vote threshold. They were trying to but it was still unknown.

    And the number would be 50, not 51.

    Regarding Meadows and the HFC, they were on record saying they would vote no on the bill McCain (and Collins and Murkowski) said no to. I take them at their word.

  845. Wes says:

    866 comes from a guy who still calls retirement resignation.

    Ironic

  846. Tina says:

    Jebots triggered:

    William Barr defended President Trump’s use of the term “witch hunt” to describe special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, saying he has “presumably” a better understanding of the facts than outside observers and has denied collusion.

  847. CG says:

    Unless something has changed, NYC also still needs to learn the difference between a bill and a Treaty in the Senate.

  848. Tina says:

    “We have to remember that the President is the one that has denied that there was any collusion and has been steadfast in that, so presumably he knows facts. I don’t know facts. I don’t think anyone here knows facts. But I think it’s understandable that if someone felt they were falsely accused they would view an investigation as something like a witch hunt, where someone like you or me who doesn’t know the facts might not use that term,” Barr said.

  849. CG says:

    Tina has weird “sources” as usual.

    All reporting is that Barr has said that Mueller is not on a “witch hunt” and it is vital he be allowed to complete his work and share with the public

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLwYK-XpH_U

  850. CG says:

    He’s saying Trump has the right to be crazy and think what he wants. This is America. We all know that. That’s something for Trump to be proud of?

  851. Tina says:

    Barr defends Trump’s use of the term “witch hunt”
    From CNN’s David Shortell

    You love cn and n, especially when the sources are unidentidied.

  852. CG says:

    Who in their right mind would question the overall “presumption of innocence” standard that has existed throughout American history.

    Every criminal probably thinks they are innocent and people are out to get them.

    The facts will speak for themselves when presented.

  853. CG says:

    He has the “right” to use it, not that he is right to use it or is right in using it.

    Should be a simple concept but those in the Trump Bunker must grasp at any straw.

  854. Tina says:

    Notice how the troll likes to pee in the wind?

  855. Tina says:

    Trump’s nominee said he sees “no reason” to change the policy for not indicting presidents while in office.

    Barr indicates that he will not change doj policy,

  856. Tina says:

    Preet Bharara
    ?
    @PreetBharara
    I got a little carried away on this one. Happens on the twitter sometimes. Be best.

    793
    2:50 PM – Jan 15, 2019

    I think he is a lawyah, but he is walking back his original statement.

  857. Robbie says:

    You mean Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit isn’t a credible source?

  858. Tina says:

    MSNBC is the most credible source.

    -Jebots

  859. Phil says:

    I prefer Acosta at CNN – a real professional.

  860. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    879. “Trump’s nominee said he sees “no reason” to change the policy for not indicting presidents while in office. Barr indicates that he will not change doj policy,”

    It is a question of constitutional law. There is a difference of opinion among legal scholars; most seem believe a president cannot be indicted while in office. Instead, a president would have to be removed through impeachment.

  861. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    884. If presidents were allowed to be indicted, there likely always would be a bozo prosecutor somewhere in the country who would attempt to indict any president who was in office.

  862. NYCmike says:

    “And the number would be 50, not 51.”

    -Got it.

    So when Mr. Vice President Pence makes his way down to the Capitol to be the deciding vote, he will be vote #50.

    Good to know that is how it works in “CG’s World”.

  863. lisab says:

    the trolls must be worried

    a third of the posts on this thread are either cg or robbie

  864. NYCmike says:

    888!

    Take that, Herman Cain!

  865. lisab says:

    CNN legal analyst Areva Martin accuses David Webb of ‘white privilege’ before learning he’s black

    “I’ve chosen to cross different parts of the media world, done the work so that I’m qualified to be in each one. I never considered my color the issue, I considered my qualifications the issue,” Webb said.

    “That’s a whole, another long conversation about white privilege, the things that you have the privilege of doing, that people of color don’t have the privilege of,” said Martin – who also hosts CBS’ “Face the Truth.”

    A dumbfounded Webb asked, “How do I have the privilege of white privilege?”

    Martin responded, “David, by virtue of being a white male you have white privilege.”

    The Fox Nation host then explained that he was actually black.

  866. lisab says:

    Trudeau buys the whole Mainstream Media with a $600 million bailout. ( Months before his re-election bid.)

  867. NYCmike says:

    That is downright SCARY, lisab!

  868. lisab says:

    Gillibrand is running

  869. NYCmike says:

    #892 – and that is even scarier.

  870. NYCmike says:

    “#892” – should be #893

  871. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    877. “the trolls must be worried a third of the posts on this thread are either cg or robbie”

    Am reminded of the line from Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

    If the trolls were as confident in their 2020 election predictions as they claim, they would not be repeating them a dozen times a day. Appears they are trying to convince themselves.

    Sounds like post traumatic 2016 election syndrome; the shock of Trump’s election still resonates in the back of their minds, and the fear that, despite the odds, Trump might get re-elected in 2020.

  872. Tgca says:

    So where is the outrage over suggesting that Graham is some kind of gay sexual pervert being blackmailed by the Russians because there is a kink fetish. One claiming it’s a strong likelihood he is being blackmailed by Russians and that needs to come out because he’s head of judiciary committee.

    Where is the evidence?

    This is sickening that these political hacks and MSM will stop at nothing to ridicule and destroy someone. This is the new norm and should prove to all GOP, including morons like Romney that nothing is off limits to them. Imagine if someone said this about a Dem, there would be demands for apologies for stereotyping homosexuals as kinky perverts.

  873. lisab says:

    So where is the outrage over suggesting that Graham is some kind of gay sexual pervert being blackmailed by the Russians because there is a kink fetish.
    ———————————-

    well … it is hard to imagine any kink fetish that a major democrat candidate has not been caught doing or at least supported including in elementary school sex ed classes

  874. Bitterlaw says:

    CM

  875. lisab says:

    Clemson Coach Miguel Chavis on Facebook: “The team loved it. The families loved it, and everyone was so hospitable and welcoming in the White House”

  876. lisab says:

    Remember when Hampshire College refused to fly the US flag after Trump’s election? They’re closing due to financial issues

  877. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “4.7 Mag Quake Reported Off Maryland Coast…”

    I am sure that

    1. Dems will blame Trump

    2. ISIS will take credit

    3. Enviro-wackdoodles will blame glo-bull warming.

  878. lisab says:

    one interesting thing …

    after 30 days of shutdown,

    the furloughed workers can be laid off

    that is the rule

  879. lisab says:

    can you imagine the uproar if trump lays off 90% of the department of energy?

  880. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CG
    I think Buno has found a new home at Red Racing Horses.
    A poster with the handle, Midnight901, has posted a number of comments like this one from yesterday:

    “MIDNIGHT901
    January 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm | In reply to 123NY
    All I’ll say is that it’s going to be very funny to watch the same Republicans impotently whining about how House Democrats don’t censor Rashida Tlaib or whoever else has offended AIPAC this week.”

    Of course, neither a Moderator or general poster, has called him on the anti-Semitism.

    Unfortunately, RRH has deteriorated into a cesspool of a blog.

  881. Tina says:

    Who would have thought that the McDonald’s by candlelight would be so memorable?

    Like I said, a good moment for the president and the yahoo reporter. If it were Acosta the moment would have been ruined.

    No matter who is president, the lighthearted momentss are the ones I like best,

  882. Tina says:

    Lisab,

    I do not think the Rif applies.

    “Shutdown furloughs,” also called “emergency furloughs,” occur during lapses in appropriations.

    OPM’s 2015 guidance on shutdown furloughs also clarifies the matter.

    “Reductions in force furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements are not applicable to emergency shutdown furloughs because the ultimate duration of an emergency shutdown furlough is unknown at the outset and is dependent entirely on congressional action, rather than agency action,” OPM guidance reads. “The RIF furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements, on the other hand, contemplate planned, foreseeable, money-saving furloughs that, at the outset, are planned to exceed 30 days.”

  883. Barrett says:

    #904 – I didn’t know that, that’s pretty discouraging.

    And Cash Cow – As a Marylander, I did not feel the 4.7 quake. I think it’s a hoax generated by the right to shake things up.

    Shake things up

    *crickets*

  884. Messy says:

    903, 910. Wrong again!!!!!

  885. Paul says:

    “No State of the Union until shutdown is ovah!!! How do you like those apples, Donald”-Nancy

  886. Tina says:

    Pelosi Demands Trump Delay State Of The Union Over Shutdown
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-16/pelosi-demands-trump-delay-state-union-over-shutdown

    Lol, piglosi demands…

  887. SusyQue says:

    Please pray for the young man Trevor Laurence. He plays football for Clemson and is being attacked because he’s a conservative and supports our One President Trump. May God Bless Trevor Laurence!

    “President Trump got all our favorite foods, it was the best meal we ever had. Then we go and see the coastal elite media trashing it for not being organic vegan. We’re football players, not bloggers. This was a perfect blue collar party, I support President Trump and The Wall!”

    In Him

  888. SusyQue says:

    Please LIKE or SHARE with all of your friends and help Trevor Laurence go viral. God Bless Trevor Laurence and our One President Donald J. Trump!

  889. Paul says:

    “I like my president. He gets me hamberbers.”–Trevor

  890. Trump says:

    I’m taking Piglosi down.

  891. Messy says:

    917. How you gonna do that, “Donnie?”

  892. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends, we weally have to keep the Meckthicans out. BUILD THE WALL Mithter Prethident!

    Thank you all for your thupport!

  893. SusyQue says:

    Please pray for Annabelle Lima-Taub, who is Jewish, compared Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), who is Muslim, the Sun Sentinel reported. Ms Lima Taub said:

    “A Hamas-loving anti-Semite has NO place in government! She is a danger and [I] would not put it past her to become a martyr and blow up Capitol Hill,” Lima-Taub wrote in a Jan. 8 Facebook post, which linked to a petition demanding Tlaib be removed from Congress.

    Our great Christian country is being taken over. Please pray for our great Nation and our One President Donald Trump!

    LIKE and SHARE this with all of your friends and let’s take America Back Home!

  894. Messy says:

    Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) is a natural born citizen who is over the age of 25 and was elected democratically. She has a place in government.

    She’s still an antisemitic bitch, however.

  895. Tina says:

    ‘The State of the Union is Off’; Steny Hoyer Tells CNN That Pelosi Has Canceled Trump Address to Congress

  896. Tina says:

    Tha5 headline just appeared 8 min ago @ cnn.com site.

  897. lisab says:

    isn’t the state of the union a required address?

  898. NYCmike says:

    “isn’t the state of the union a required address?”

    -Not a live audience, no. And not required on a yearly basis either.

    “The President “shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” “

  899. NYCmike says:

    And, according to “CG”, 50 votes is enough to pass a bill, even if the other side gets 50 against……TIE goes to the Aye’s…….I guess, in “CG”-World.

  900. CG says:

    925. First congrats on actually looking something up and presenting it accurately. That is a big step for you and you should be proud.

    926. If a Senate vote ends in a tie, the VP casts the tie-breaking vote. There are 100 Senators meaning that a tie may be 50-50. Mike Pence is the current VP and a Republican. If and when he votes in the Senate, his votes will not be surprises.

    Technically though, something could pass the Senate with well under 50 votes if there are absences, etc.

  901. lisab says:

    so he could give the address from the oval office if he wished

  902. NYCmike says:

    #927 – Thereby, making certain votes have a 51-vote threshold…….

  903. CG says:

    No, a vote could be 42-42 and the VP breaks the tie and the vote either passes or fails 42-42.

    Did you not know the VP had this Constitutional responsibility?

  904. CG says:

    The only significance of “51” is that you technically need 51 Senators on the floor for business to be conducted. That is rarely the case though and the “rule” isn’t enforced until they want to go into recess and suggest the absence of a quorum for that to occur and when they need to get the Senators to the floor to vote.

  905. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good move by Speaker Nancy. SOTU speech to Congress is absolutely NOT required. A letter from POTUS will work and most presidents delivered SOTU’s in writing.

    Orange would have just used the SOTU as another political rally. Thank you Speaker Nancy for saving us from having to watch the freakshow.

    I’m sure she’ll invite him back at some point, but I hope not.

    #RESIST!

  906. CG says:

    She can invite Alec Baldwin to play Trump.

  907. Tina says:

    Manu Raju
    Manu Raju
    @mkraju
    ·
    37m
    Senate Intel Chairman Richard Burr WON’T pursue notes from American interpreter at the Trump-Putin meetings.

    “If I were the president, I would try to claim executive privilege in anything that had to do with him.”

    Asked if he would try to get those notes, Burr told me: “No.”

    Good luck to Russian Schiff for brains getting the notes and the trump tax returns

  908. Tina says:

    Peoples Pundit Daily
    @PPDNews
    ·
    4h
    MBA: Mortgage Applications Rebound, Purchase Index Highest Level Since 2010 –

    Looks like any slowdown in the housing market was seasonal.

    I know in my area there is atill a shortage of inventory.

  909. Phil says:

    State of the Union?

    Nobody cares, Nancy.

  910. Tina says:

    Peter Alexander
    @PeterAlexander
    Secret Service is fully ready to offer full protection during the #SOTU, a sr. law enforcement official tells
    @petewilliamsnbc
    .
    “It’s a no-fail mission,” the official says.
    Though USSS personnel are not being paid, the intelligence & protection functions are fully staffed. (1/2)
    10:11 AM · Jan 16, 2019 · Twitter Web Client
    245
    Retweets
    383
    Likes
    Peter Alexander
    Peter Alexander
    @PeterAlexander
    ·
    1h
    Replying to
    @PeterAlexander
    “We’ve been planning for this for months, as we always do. It didn’t start up 29 days ago,” the official said. (2/2)

    Secret service calls out Piglosi,

  911. Tina says:

    Fox News’s John Roberts says a DHS official told him that no one from Pelosi’s office called the Secret Service to ask if they had concerns about SOTU before she sent that letter. She’s playing politics. #StateoftheUnion #GovernmentShutdown

    47
    10:24 AM – Jan 16, 2019

  912. CG says:

    I’m confused. Last night, the Muslim-American Congresswoman from Michigan was considered a threat to blow-up the Capitol. Now, there’s no issue at all?

    That was quick.

  913. Tina says:

    ss than 1 min ago
    US Secret Service is prepared to support security for a State of the Union

    This per cnn.

    Politico reports that Piglosi just does not want Trump to give a SOTU.

  914. Tina says:

    2 min ago
    US Secret Service is prepared to support security for a State of the Union
    From CNN’s Kevin Liptak and Noah Gray

  915. Tina says:

    Former FBI Deputy Director Andy McCabe investigated for leaking to the media.

    Former FBI General Counsel Jim Baker subject of investigation, same reason.

    “Real Republican” James Comedy

    These guys are part of the team that launched the Trump-Russia probe.

  916. Tina says:

    Donald Trump Jr.
    Donald Trump Jr.
    @DonaldJTrumpJr
    ·
    20h
    For the crazy “reporters” actually claiming Donald Trump is a “Russian agent,” can we acknowledge that only 1 recent President was busted on a hot mic asking a Russian official to “transmit” to Vladimir that he would have “flexibility” after getting elected? Newsflash: NOT TRUMP!

    Can Comedy explain why no Ci was launched?

  917. CG says:

    Lindsey “Granite” Graham says Trump is emboldening ISIS.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/graham-syria-attack-trump/index.html

  918. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    9m
    Scalise on what he wants to hear from Pelosi about the alleged inability to secure the State of the Union speech due to the government shutdown:
    Ask her to detail what that security concern is. There is no referral to the Capitol Police

    Maybe, her dog, Schumah, can help her provide a response,

  919. CG says:

    Nobody is going to thank her from saving him from Tlaib? Couldn’t she “go off” at any moment?

    ….the things that happen when Trumpist talking points collide…

  920. Tina says:

    The FBI has had its problems since the days of Hoover. But never has the seventh floor decided by itself to launch a clandestine operation to target a president under the cover of working for an alien power simply because they wanted political revenge..”

    The FBI Has Become Too Dangerous
    amgreatness.com
    11:26 AM · Jan 16, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

    Barr needs to fire the remaining Hillary folks there and start charging the former leadership.

  921. Tina says:

    Joel B. Pollak
    ?
    @joelpollak
    NBC, CNN: Secret Service, DHS Reject Nancy Pelosi‘s ‘Security‘ Excuse for Canceling State of the Union | Breitbart http://bit.ly/2QQ2XSg via @BreitbartNews

    75
    11:40 AM – Jan 16, 2019

    Madam Piglosi caught in a lie.

  922. CG says:

    921. One does not have to be a natural born citizen to serve in Congress.

  923. NYCmike says:

    “Did you not know the VP had this Constitutional responsibility?”

    -The VP Pence is only there to make sure Trump’s hair piece doesn’t fly off.

    Adams was only there to make sure George didn’t lose his teeth to termites.

  924. Tina says:

    Dhs indicates no concern with having SOTU, joining SS and the capitol police.

    It is now up to Piglosi to outline the specific security issues, or admit she lied.

  925. CG says:

    Certainly, anybody who claims that there is no reasonable fear of a security risk at the SOTU also has to admit that Rashida Tlaib (nor the other Muslim Democrats) are any sort of physical threat to anyone.

    Seems pretty simple.

  926. NYCmike says:

    Does “CG” keep mentioning Tlaib because of “Susyque”‘s comment?

    Or is there some other official comment which I have not seen yet?

  927. Tina says:

    Breaking

    There is now division among the drats in the house, this is from cnn update:

    Republican Congressman Mike Gallagher attended today’s bipartisan meeting at the White House and said Democrats in the room told President Trump that they support a physical border wall.

  928. CG says:

    SSQ quoted someone “important” Nobody said they disagreed with her. Do you?

    The Trevor Lawrence quote though is proven to be false.

  929. CG says:

    “Democrats in the room told President Trump that they support a physical border wall.”

    Their names were Ivanka and Jared

  930. Tina says:

    Kevin Corke
    ?
    @kevincorke
    Did @SpeakerPelosi lie about #SOTU security concerns? DHS Source tells @johnrobertsFox that no one from Pelosi’s office (or Dems leadership) reached out to @SecretService about “security concerns surrounding the #SOTU.” Source says “We are ready. It is a no fail mission.”

    721
    10:25 AM – Jan 16, 2019

    Did Piglosi lie?

  931. CG says:

    Now that Pelosi is two heartbeats away, and apparently evil, why would she want Trump to be on guard? Seems to me that we would be a couple days away from the Trumpist talking point being, “Pelosi needs to cancel. She is trying to make it dangerous for Trump to show up there.”

  932. CG says:

    Just think of what might happen if Tlaib were to jump up during the speech and call Trump a m-fer.

    Then, Mitt Romney might be emboldened to call Trump a Maternal Fornicator.

  933. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is responding to SQ……he IS in a different world…..Pogo Loco?

  934. Tina says:

    Ben Shapiro
    @benshapiro
    Trump should do a remote State of the Union from the border and feature Border Patrol agents and Angel Moms.

    Little Benji may be right on this one,

  935. CG says:

    He can do a remote from the place in Alaska where you can see Russia.

    Seriously, based on everything that you guys constantly say, how can any Trump fan feel secure letting him into a room with so many Democrats and Deep State types?

  936. Tina says:

    Further Evidence that piglosi is lying.

    When did she “invite” him to deliver it?

    1/4//18.

    The shutdown was already 13 days in?

  937. Tina says:

    1/4/19*

  938. CG says:

    If he were to go to Congress, Nancy Pelosi would literally be sitting behind him with a large hammer….

  939. Tina says:

    Byron York
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    ·
    1h
    OTOH: If skillful, White House could portray SOTU letter as turning point in Pelosi-Dem arrogance/overreach: Vacationing during shutdown, refusing to even come to WH, suggesting Trump not give SOTU speech. WH could portray, with some accuracy, as out-of-control Resistance.

    AKA LOONS ON A BEACH.

  940. CG says:

    She’d have the power to eff up his teleprompter on purpose too.

    President Ron Burgandy is likely to read anything on it..

  941. Tina says:

    This will be ratings plus, if it goes through.

    She must not have consulted with her leadership team.

  942. Tina says:

    Byron York
    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    ·
    7h
    There’s a secret House interview transcript that tells us former top FBI official James Baker is under criminal investigation. It tells us why FBI went after Trump post-Comey. Tells a lot. FBI should release; instead, dragging feet while leaks go on.

    Bryon, even better: Release all fisa memos unredacted.

    We will get all answers there.

  943. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina seems triggered by the SOTU disinvite.. LOL What a snowflake!

    #RESIST!!

  944. Messy says:

    954. The Democratic Congresspeople Tina references were fictional. No Democrats showed up for the luncheon.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rank-file-democrats-snub-white-house-invite-meet/story?id=60392024

  945. NYCmike says:

    “President Ron Burgandy is likely to read anything on it..”

    -She could slip these lines in….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA

  946. NYCmike says:

    “-She could slip these lines in….”

    -Ginsburg would really fall asleep then!

  947. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie and CG have not posted anything for hours. Could this be the reason why?
    From NBC News:

    NEW: Feds arrest Georgia man suspected of plotting attack Washington Monument, White House and Lincoln Memorial with weapons and explosives. Per court documents – man had “hand-drawn diagram of ground floor of the West Wing”

    2:24 PM – 16 Jan 2019

  948. CG says:

    Tim couldn’t get away in time. Shh.

  949. CG says:

    Not very funny actually Sheeple. Lots of sick people out there.

    Nobody has posted here for hours. Must be an emergency online meeting of the OnlyTrump bunker.

  950. Tina says:

    Yes messy-lsd

    Go,to cn and n website. Some house Ds met with the President today, 1/16. From the website:

    3 hr 59 min ago
    Trump’s meeting was respectful — but Democrats pushed to open government first, source says
    From CNN’s Manu Raju

    Hell must have frozen over if the jebots and drats consider cnn now fictional.

  951. Tina says:

    The Epoch Times
    The Epoch Times
    @EpochTimes
    ·
    4h
    BREAKING: George Papadopoulos, former foreign policy advisor to Trump campaign, revealed the name of an alleged spy who worked covertly on behalf of US intelligence in the Trump campaign.

  952. Tina says:

    Nick Short Retweeted
    David Reaboi
    David Reaboi
    @davereaboi
    ·
    2h
    This is a complete embarrassment to NRO. French’s antipathy for Trump has him believing every lunatic conspiracy theory about him that Fusion GPS runs up the flagpole. I’ll bet he thinks Putin runs both the NRA and Chabad.

  953. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    ·
    2h
    Joe Manchin: Pelosi ‘Wrong’ to Disinvite Trump from State of the Union (link: http://bit.ly/2Fv7Yyj) bit.ly/2Fv7Yyj via
    @BreitbartNews

    And she lied about her rationale.

  954. Tina says:

    Sean Hannity
    Sean Hannity
    @seanhannity
    ·
    5h
    GRAHAM ON FIRE: “I’ve seen no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but I’ve seen a lot of corruption at the Department of Justice and the FBI…”

  955. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    981. “https://pjmedia.com/trending/gag-alert-peta-puts-pasty-vegans-with-carrot-schlongs-in-sexual-stamina-promo/

    -Eat your veggies!”

    Yikes! Did the beef industry secretly pay for this add? Have to agree with Megan Fox

    “The thing that kept going through my mind while watching this was, does it really matter if these dudes have sexual stamina? Who wants to sleep with them? Seriously. This guy? If I see this coming at me, I’m grabbing the pepper spray and getting ready to run for my life. “

    Then again– he is a vegan, so maybe Tgca would like him.

  956. SusyQue says:

    First Lady Melania Trump has sent out a request for prayers for our president. Let us be a shield for him as he fights for us.

    Please pray for One President Trump in his fight against the Devils in the Left party.

    In Him

  957. SusyQue says:

    If you still believe in one nation Under God, Say AMEN and Share this post.

  958. janz says:

    #908 Tina, Re shutdowns and RIFs. I read somewhere that after any furlough goes beyond the 30 day mark it automatically becomes an “administrative furlough,” subject to revision plans regarding employee need in the various bureaucratic governmental niches. The OMB was cited as drawing up these plans (Mulvaney).

    However, one problem is how to decisively determine when that 30 day time clock actually starts, as it can be disputed by those not wanting to be subject to this RIF provision.

  959. SusyQue says:

    “The movement of Moslems, into Europe and the U.S. is a planned invasion for the purpose of destroying Western Civilization.”

    Please pray for our Precedent and our Nation. We are being invaded and taken over by the Moslems. We have to BUILD THE WALL!

    Support Precedent Trump! God Bless

  960. janz says:

    Home sweet home —> Venice Beach Residents Rebel Against Homeless Crisis. This is a beach community where I lived when first married. Ironically, it’s always been a diverse, super liberal, counter culture place. But, now when the homeless are trespassing and trashing their environment (much like SF), their ideology is turning into a NIBY mentality.

  961. Cash Cow TM says:

    Thumbs up SusyQue.
    Preach it, sister!

    We need to stand up for bacon, country ham, ham salad, etc.

  962. NYCmike says:

    “We need to stand up for bacon, country ham, ham salad, etc.”

    -And Hamberders!

  963. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwinds, Thank you for your htupport! We have to keep the Meckthicans out – BUILD THE WALL

  964. NYCmike says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/16/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-we-progressives-are-going-to-run-train/

    -Odd……Robbie, the devout Roman Catholic, made no mention of the slang term used by AOC today……he must only be offended when Trump says such things.

  965. Paul says:

    987: I’m praying for and supporting precedent. If only our president had the same concern for some precedents our nation has held over the years.

  966. Bitterlaw says:

    Does anybody remember when the fake Marco Rubio posts were funny? I don’t, either.

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