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Gillibrand Announces Run for President

I’ve posted the videos from others, the latest is Kirsten Gillibrand.

Posted by Dave at 9:18 pm
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503 Responses to “Gillibrand Announces Run for President”

  1. Tina says:

    First.

  2. Big Joe says:

    Dos

    Big Joe

  3. Tina says:

    Do we know the security threat causing the cancelation of the SOTU.?

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From AP:

    “WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE INVESTIGATION ENDS?

    Mueller will have to turn in a report of some kind when he’s done, but it could be pretty bare bones.

    Justice Department regulations require only that Mueller give the attorney general a confidential report that explains the decisions to pursue or to decline prosecutions. That could be as simple as a bullet point list or as fulsome as a report running hundreds of pages.

    Mueller has given no guidance on which of those it will be. Asked repeatedly over the past year, Mueller spokesman Peter Carr has pointed back to the regulations but otherwise declined to elaborate.”

  5. Proud Obamacon says:

    I see Tina is still triggered by the SOTU uninvite LOL…

    Kudos to Nancy, don’t give the Orange Groper a platform to spew his fascist rhetoric!

    #RESIST

  6. Cash Cow TM says:

    By golly the Eff Bee Eye DID catch some radicalized jee-had-dist from GA.

    Proves the Eff Bee Eye can do the kind of work they are supposed to do…Of course it was a sting operation where the FBI was pretending to trade the nutbag weapons for the nutbag’s car.

    I hope they allah akbar his a$$.

  7. Tina says:

    c ?? Retweeted
    Porter
    Porter
    @porter14159
    ·
    3h
    (Jebot) military doctrine:

    Anywhere American troops are killed is where we must send more American troops to be killed.

  8. lisab says:

    Mueller will have to turn in a report of some kind when he’s done, but it could be pretty bare bones.
    ————————

    sdc,

    there almost certainly will be a long report full of very negative stuff about trump et al.

    whether any of it is seen as serious by any except the trolls is a different question, and only time will tell.

    remember, he is NOT an investigator, he is a prosecutor. he will give the most negative report he can and try to build a case.

  9. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is why California is going off the fiscal cliff. It is an interview with the Los Angeles Education Chief about the teachers strike. The politicians are siding with the strikers, but they are not giving the school district the money to pay them more.

    “What do you think of the many Democrats — including several presidential hopefuls — who are explicitly supporting the strike?

    I saw a lovely picture of a bunch of legislators in Sacramento wearing “Red for Ed.” How about green? They’re the ones who appropriate the money. We don’t have enough funding for schools. In a generation, California’s going from top of the charts to near the bottom of the charts. And the legislators want to stand up there and say they’re with the teachers. Red for ed? I’ll finish the sentence: Come up with green. Show me the money.

    Mayor Eric Garcetti, who has no formal role in the district’s schools, has tried to be an intermediary between you and the union. But this week, he has shown his support for striking teachers. What do you think of that?

    The mayor talked about his commitment to teachers. I share that commitment. He talked about the energy in the work action. I like that energy, too. Let’s take the energy to Sacramento. I don’t want to take the energy to closing middle schools.
    The mayor made a comment that we should take a leap of faith in our budgeting. You can’t pay people with a leap of faith, I think he should understand that. If he wants to take a leap of faith, maybe the city should backstop that leap of faith. The city has a budget. They have money to help with homeless children. We have almost 20,000 in our schools. Maybe the city can provide us with additional funding and resources.”

  10. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    7. “(Jebot) military doctrine:Anywhere American troops are killed is where we must send more American troops to be killed.”

    Yes, it is far better to just run away. Always deters bad guys from shooting at American soldiers. Maybe it would have worked in Pearl Harbor.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    8. lisab, I was quoting AP News. That was there reporter’s take. It might be a short report because there is not much to talk about.

  12. lisab says:

    sdc,

    the thing many people do not realize is that mueller is a prosecutor

    he is mandated to make a case about collusion

    he is also under no obligation to be fair. he is COMPLETELY one-sided. the old saying is that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.

    his report will involve zero defense cross-examination. he could in fact print the entire dossier

  13. Tina says:

    Gov. Mike Huckabee
    ?
    @GovMikeHuckabee
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, lover of 70% tax rates gets on Finance Serv Cmte, overseeing Wall Street & housing under Maxine Waters. Not since Laurel and Hardy had to deliver a piano up a long flight of steps have I seen 2 ppl better suited for the task!

    32.6K
    6:02 AM – Jan 16, 2019

  14. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #11- SDC
    So under your definition, we would still be fighting the war in Vietnam? US troops were killed after the conclusion of the peace negotiations.

  15. Tina says:

    Hugh Hewitt
    Hugh Hewitt
    @hughhewitt
    ·
    13m
    It is indeed a blockbuster. It is stunning. It means that DOJ and FBI conspired to commit a fraud upon the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Ask yourself: If you were a FISC Judge, would you have wanted spelled out what Bruce Ohr spelled out to everyone? Of course! (2)
    4
    14
    38
    Show this thread
    Hugh Hewitt
    Hugh Hewitt
    @hughhewitt
    ·
    13m
    I’m one of the few people in media —
    @MarkRLevinshow
    is another– who routinely handled FISA applications. My desk was the last stop for such a warrant application to AGs Smith and Meese. W/that experience in mind, you can assess my conclusion on this story (1)

    Yikes.

  16. Tina says:

    Hugh Hewitt
    Hugh Hewitt
    @hughhewitt
    ·
    12m
    “Three top Senior Justice Department officials, two who are senior prosecutors on Robert Mueller’ Special Counsel, met with Bruce Ohr in the summer of 2016, well before the FBI sought a FISA warrant on a Trump campaign official.”

    Of concern is the 2 now working for Fuhrer Mulehead,

    This is a conspiracy and those two need to be fired asap

  17. Messy says:

    Bruce Ohr was the chief investigator of the Russian mafia at the Justice department and was very good at it.

    That’s why Tina hates him so.

  18. Messy says:

    9.Gateway Pundit is notorious for it’s fake news. It’s almost as bad as InfoWars.

    15. Of the 63 people who were killed in 1973, all of them were lost prior to the signing of the peace deal.

  19. Robbie says:

    No collusion! No collu.. Wha?

    Manu Raju
    @mkraju

    Rudy Giuliani to @ChrisCuomo: “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have not. I said the president of the United States,” adding that Trump “didn’t commit a crime.”

  20. Robbie says:

    Cracks in the dam.

    Michael Del Moro
    @MikeDelMoro

    Disastrous numbers for POTUS. We’re seeing the first real signs of an erosion of his base:

    -7% among Republicans
    -6% among white men w/o college degree
    -7% among white evangelicals
    -9% among suburban men
    -11% (!) among white women w/o college

    https://t.co/ZNgWqu41LB

  21. Robbie says:

    More evidence Republicans are clearly willing to seriously consider nominating someone other than Trump.

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    Whoa. In crosstabs of new NPR/PBS/Marist poll (p. 33). Asked of Reps and Rep-leaning independents: Do you want another Republican to challenge Donald Trump for the Rep nomination in 2020? 44% yes, 45% no, 11% unsure. Among 45 years and under: 51%-34%-15%.
    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll-USA-NOS-and-Tables_1901141631.pdf#page=3

  22. Robbie says:

    Since deregulation is one of the reasons NYCmike continues to support Trump without reservation, I wonder if this will dent his support for him. I doubt it, but hope springs eternal.

    Pete Schroeder
    @peteschroeder

    A prolonged government shutdown has ground the deregulatory machine to a halt. As Trump pursues his wall, his other campaign vow to cut red tape is collateral damage. https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PB14K

  23. Robbie says:

    Charlie Sykes?
    @SykesCharlie

    GOP, this won’t be a problem, will it? 57 percent of voters say they won’t support Trump in 2020

    https://t.co/yWuIgn0FQd

  24. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #22
    Half Truth Robbie strikes again. From the NPR/Marist Poll:

    November 2010* 45% 46% 9%- Obama with Democrat Voters
    Republicans and Republican leaning independents
    Do you want another Republican (Democrat) to challenge Donald Trump (Barack Obama) for the
    Republican (Democratic) nomination for president in the 2020 (2012) primaries?
    Marist Poll Republicans and Republican leaning independents
    *Asked of Democrats and Democratic leaning independents

  25. Robbie says:

    Again, this is the problem. Trump may have his base behind him, but that’s not enough to win a national election. In order to win, he must get Independents (the group that put Republicans over the top in 2010, 2014, and 2016) and the data continues to show Independents oppose him by a large margin.

    Ryan Struyk
    @ryanstruyk

    Quite the stat in new NPR/PBS/Marist poll: Only 17% (!) of independent women say they will definitely vote to re-elect Trump in 2020 vs. 73% (!) who say they will definitely vote against him. Trump just narrowly lost this group 47-42% in 2016.

  26. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #19
    Messy is not only a Moron, but a Liar. In her #19, she conveniently omitted a link to her contention about the Vietnam War fatalities after the Paris Peace Accords between the Warring Parties were signed on January 27,1973.
    Here is a portion of the Wikipedia article on the topic:

    “The agreement’s provisions were immediately frequently broken with no response from the United States. Fighting broke out in March 1973, and North Vietnamese offenses enlarged their control by the end of the year.”

    Over 125 US Servicemen were killed in Vietnam after 01/27/1973.

  27. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 17, 2019 at 10:47 am
    #22
    Half Truth Robbie strikes again. From the NPR/Marist Poll:
    November 2010* 45% 46% 9%- Obama with Democrat Voters
    Republicans and Republican leaning independents
    Do you want another Republican (Democrat) to challenge Donald Trump (Barack Obama) for the
    Republican (Democratic) nomination for president in the 2020 (2012) primaries?
    Marist Poll Republicans and Republican leaning independents
    *Asked of Democrats and Democratic leaning independents

    – Half truths? LOL. I can tell the Trumpers are getting more and more worried about their Dear Leader.

    There’s simply no comparing Obama’s standing in January 2011 to Trump’s standing in January 2019. Obama had an economy that was still stuck in the mud with unemployment rate that was 9%. Trump has an economy that is as robust as it has been in 20 years and the unemployment rate is just 3.9%.

    Obama’s standing with voters in early 2011 was all about the economy, but he remained personally popular with the public. Trump’s unpopular with the voters at a time when the economy is really, really good because he is personally disliked by a majority of the country, his campaign’s under investigation, and he’s been fingered as Individual 1 in a case in New York.

    In fact, it’s Sheeple Jr. (such a perfect name for a Trumper) who is providing half truths.

  28. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics

    Vietnam War fatalities. 130 US servicemen were killed from 1973-1975. Messy LIES!

  29. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #28- Half Truth Robbie
    You conveniently miss the point. You oftentimes cherry pick data that helps your meme and omit other data that debunks it.
    You may be on point with your analysis about Trump’s chances in 2020, but for others to judge your thinking and for them to form opinions of their own, why leave out salient datapoints?

    Two points in rebuttal to your thinking:
    1) The bad polling for Obama after the 2010 midterms did not occur during a government shutdown,which is current, and
    2) Just prior to the 2016 election, Trump’s unfavorability was around 60% and he still one.

    No one can say for sure what will happen. The key factor will be Whom the Democrats nominate.

  30. Hunter says:

    #30 Yes, I would not put much stock in the favorable/unfavorable number. Trump proved he can win with a low favorable number. So it will take more than that to defeat him in 2020.

    -Polaris

  31. Bitterlaw says:

    Hunter is Polaris? But who is Spartacus? The poster and not the Senator.

  32. Hunter says:

    Force of habit. I haven’t been able to post under the “Polaris” handle for 3 years.

    -Polaris

  33. Hunter says:

    President Trump is 80/20 in favor of reelection. The Dems have lurched too far left. They’ve already talked about 70% tax rates, abolishing the Electoral College, calling the President a m****r, single-payer, etc. By the time 2020 rolls around, the overreach will be comical. They’ll make the Soviet Union look conservative by comparison.

    The people will simply not vote for a far left nominee. It’s really as simple as that.

    -Polaris

  34. lisab says:

    Yes, it is far better to just run away. Always deters bad guys from shooting at American soldiers. Maybe it would have worked in Pearl Harbor.
    ————————————–

    you mean the pearl harbor that was part of the united states territory hawaii? where 2,335 people were killed in a sneak attack and 1143 were wounded?

    as opposed to an attack in a foreign country in a war zone where we have nothing to gain

  35. lisab says:

    messy says: Of the 63 people who were killed in 1973, all of them were lost prior to the signing of the peace deal.
    ——————-

    Charles McMahon and Darwin Judge were the last two United States servicemen killed in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. The two men, both U.S. Marines, were killed in a rocket attack one day before the Fall of Saigon.

  36. Wobbles says:

    Trump has an economy that is as robust as it has been in 20 years and the unemployment rate is just 3.9%.”

    I forgot to add that this is the reason I look forward to a socialist getting elected in 2020.

  37. lisab says:

    Disastrous numbers for POTUS. We’re seeing the first real signs of an erosion of his base: — robbie
    ——————————————

    based on “A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll ”

    npr says?!!!

    riiiiight

  38. Chicon says:

    Hello, Bitter. I wish the Birds had done more with the gift provided by the Bears kicker. Felt bad for Alshon – credit to him for facing the music after the game.

  39. lisab says:

    re: Half Truth Robbie
    ———————

    i think you are rounding up quite a bit there

  40. Wobbles says:

    My source for Republicans want to get rid of Trump is Bill Kristol.

  41. lisab says:

    Polaris,

    i did not know you were hunter

    i am glad you are back!

  42. Wobbles says:

    Trump has an economy that is as robust as it has been in 20 years and the unemployment rate is just 3.9%.”

    And then there is Stormy.

  43. Poul Harris says:

    Polaris is an impostor.

    – Poul Harris

  44. lisab says:

    i actually like stormy

    if you are going to be a whore,

    go full speed ahead

  45. lisab says:

    seriously, if you wanted to hire a whore, or as we say in massachusetts, a hooah,

    stormy would be a good choice

    she will clearly do anything for the right price

  46. NYCmike says:

    “Since deregulation is one of the reasons NYCmike continues to support Trump without reservation, I wonder if this will dent his support for him. I doubt it, but hope springs eternal.”

    -Robbie,

    We all gave Dubya 8 years to do this, so a month or 2 for Trump is not much to ask, is it?

  47. NYCmike says:

    “Cracks in the dam.”

    -At this point, I have to give a shout-out to Mitch McConnell. He has served the nation, the party, and the President well by simply being quiet, most likely working behind the scenes, and not publicly worried about “doing something” about the “shutdown”.

    Voters are fickle. Have patience, it is 01/17/2019. Trump keeps offering to negotiate, but Pelosi keeps refusing. I hope the President and Mitch stay strong, the voters will come around once progress on the wall and with the shutdown has begun.

  48. George says:

    Wow……MSN on their main page provides a link to story Byron York’s Washington Examiner story: “Key justice department officials, including Mueller deputy, knew about dossier”.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/key-justice-department-officials-including-mueller-deputy-knew-about-dossier/ar-BBSmzP8?li=BBnb7Kz

  49. Hunter says:

    #43 I have been posting off and over the last several years. It’s been nice being somewhat anonymous under a different handle. But I gave it away with the closing signature. I won’t be posting much but will try to drop by every now and then.

    Nothing has changed since 2016. Those who think 2018 actually meant anything don’t know history. The president’s party always loses seats in the mid-term. It happens. Then that party overreaches which the Dems have already done in an epic way in just a few weeks.

    -Polaris

  50. NYCmike says:

    Ok, Polaris saying this one line – “Those who think 2018 actually meant anything don’t know history.” – with all of his usual smugness and self-assured attitude makes me worry more than the years of DOOM comments made by “Pogo Loco” and “The Sanctimonious One”.

  51. NYCmike says:

    Trump still has the option to declare all of the files related to FISA and the dossier UNCLASSIFIED, correct?

  52. Barrett says:

    #49 – Mike, I’d mostly agree.

    McConnell knows how to play politics, just like others in Washington.

    At this point, working behind the scenes is fine. I actually prefer it that way. The media already has their narrative set – the know what they want to cover.

  53. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-struggles-to-keep-dems-united-during-government-shutdown/

    -Keep the pressure on!

    The media already says “Republicans don’t care.”.

    They said it thru the Reagan years, the Bush years, the Gingrich/Delay years, the Dubya years……most Republicans, except those like Robbie and “CG”, should remember that, as Barrett just said, “The media already has their narrative set – the know what they want to cover.”.

  54. NYCmike says:

    As Robbie has repeated many times over, there are 40 new Democratic House members…….all of them should be in the spotlight right now.

  55. Barrett says:

    #56 – “The worst midterm since watergate!”

    DOOOOOOOOM

  56. NYCmike says:

    “DOOOOOOOOM”

    -The more “O”‘s the happier Robbie gets!

  57. Wes says:

    51 proves Hunter doesn’t understand history or politics. It will be saddening to watch his appalled reaction when reality sets in November 2020.

    Rationalizing reality to something psychologically palatable doesn’t actually change the nature of reality.

  58. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    What sort of odds are you giving for bets, seeing how confident you are about Nov 2020?

  59. Barrett says:

    Realistically, the odds for Trump holding the Presidency in 2020….

    Good economy, incumbency advantage, low approval…

    I’d say he has a 40% chance. By comparison, I’d probably given Obama a 55% chance in 2012. It could be better, but it’s not as bad as a lot of people think.

  60. Messy says:

    49. The last couple of times, he just said: “give me what I want and I’ll end the shut down.”

    That’s not negotiating.

    29. Wrong again, kiddo. All of the people killed since the peace treaty of January 23, 2973 was during the April 1975 invasion by the North. Not a single person died in 1974.

  61. Messy says:

    37. Lisa, lisa lisa. I never said no one died in April 1975. I was talking about 1973 and you know it.

  62. NYCmike says:

    “That’s not negotiating.”

    -Actually, it is.

    The Democrats are allowed to make a counter proposal……..in fact, they could ask for absolutely anything.

    That may not work either.

    Right now, Trump believes he has a winning hand, and is willing to wait the Democrats out, most likely because, in the past, many of these same Democrats have supported, AND PASSED, LEGISLATION which would accomplish exactly what it is that Trump wants…..A WALL.

    Time will tell whose judgment of the present situation is correct.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “That’s not negotiating.”

    -Messy,

    It works out much better for Democrats when the Republicans take certain items off of the table BEFORE negotiations even start, isn’t it?

  64. Messy says:

    They passed a bill giving Trump a Billion. It was in the Senate passed bill last December they passed in January. A Billion isn’t nothing.

    They initially mentioned two billion, but the Pu$$y grabber thought that the Dems could be played like the others did when he refused to pay his workers or would take ten cents on the dollar after he walked away when the work was finished.

  65. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #62&63
    Messy, most morons quit while they are ahead. You cannot help yourself from lying.
    Here are the stats from the government vis-a-vis fatalities from the Vietnam War by year. Almost all the 68 US fatalities in 1973 occurred after the Paris Peace Accords were signed.
    Please read and apologize:

    1973

    68

    1974

    1

    1975

    62

    1976 – 1979

    0

    1980 – 1986

    0

    1987

    1

    1988 – 1989

    0

    1990

    1

    1991 – 1999

    0

    2000 – 2006

    5

    Total Records

    58,220

  66. NYCmike says:

    #66 – Messy,

    Unfortunately, Christopher Reeves can’t make the Earth spin backwards again, so we are stuck with the present situation.

  67. Messy says:

    I’m sorry these people died. but it wasn’t your fault. Nor was it mine. I never mentioned the people who died in 1975 because they weren’t relevant to the conversation. Just like the five people who died between 200-06.

  68. Messy says:

    68. It sucks. It’s not about the wall, really, it’s about Pelosi’s being Speaker. The extra $4 billion was added as an FU to the incoming Dems. ‘

    Look at Trump’s cancellation of Pelosi’s trip to a WAR ZONE. Do you really think that is going to help anything? Nooooooooooo! It just makes Donnie look bad.

  69. Messy says:

    What’s interesting about the letter is the allegation of a publicity stunt. Congresspeople travel all the time, but they NEVER publicize it.

    Nobody knew about the trip before Trump published his letter, and like the last few times she went, nobody knew she was going or even if she went outside the military airlines and some in the Defense department.

  70. CG says:

    Pennsylvania Republican Congressman Tom Marino, an early Trump backer, has resigned.

    Being in the minority just may not be that much fun and he just wants to get out of town. Rats leaving a sinking ship.

  71. CG says:

    Trump should have written a letter stating that Nancy Pelosi has bone spurs and it is not safe for her to be in a dangerous place.

  72. CG says:

    What is far more important but will get less attention than the childish back and forth among Trump and Pelosi trying to one-up each other is that 4 Americans were killed by ISIS yesterday.

    This is directly related to Trump doing what he said he would never do, and telegraph his intention to leave Syria.

  73. Wes says:

    The Trumpists speak out on the status of House Republicans:

    ZR2X4
    January 17, 2019 at 1:12 pm
    House Republicans are so inept in governing, messaging and political strategizing that they DESERVE to be in the minority for at least the next decade.

    NY-3, R

  74. Waingro says:

    “ZR2X4
    January 17, 2019 at 1:12 pm
    House Republicans are so inept in governing, messaging and political strategizing that they DESERVE to be in the minority for at least the next decade.

    NY-3, R”

    JFC.

  75. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

    Love it when this guy opens his mouth and gets diarrhea mouth.. preach brutha! What a looooosah!

    #RESIST!

  76. Waingro says:

    “Barrett says:
    January 17, 2019 at 2:45 pm
    Realistically, the odds for Trump holding the Presidency in 2020….

    Good economy, incumbency advantage, low approval…

    I’d say he has a 40% chance. By comparison, I’d probably given Obama a 55% chance in 2012. It could be better, but it’s not as bad as a lot of people think.”

    I think this is a fair assessment. The one variable that could change this up or down is who his opponent is obviously.

    Some of the people in the growing Dem Primary Clown Car would give Trump a much better shot.

  77. Waingro says:

    #51, nice to see you back Hunter/Polaris

  78. Proud Obamacon says:

    Turtle and Orange continue to hold the country hostage. Such petty pathetic looooosahs.

    #RESIST!

  79. Proud Obamacon says:

    President Orange Groper now ordering citizens to go back to work and not get paid! Somewhere, masters on the plantations are smiling!!

    Pathetic!

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHH

  80. Cash Cow TM says:

    83 per 10,000
    JANUARY 9, 2019
    Average monthly rate of teachers and other public education employees quitting their job in the first 10 months of 2018, which is the highest rate on record.
    Source: The Wall Street Journal
    ————————————–
    1998
    JANUARY 8, 2019
    Last time South Dakota lawmakers received a pay raise — until this year when their pay nearly doubled from $6,000 to $11,300.
    Source: AP/Argus Leader
    __________________________________
    275
    JANUARY 7, 2019
    Millennials who won state legislative seats in November, which marks the largest new class of that generation. Nearly 800 ran.
    Source: Governing
    ————————————-
    $10,000
    JANUARY 4, 2019
    Amount now being offered to people to move to Vermont or Tulsa, Okla., and work remotely. Both regions suffer from a worker shortage.
    Source: Stateline

  81. lisab says:

    trump did not cancel her fact finding trip to brussels

    she can still go

    on her own dime

  82. lisab says:

    Chuck Woolery
    ?
    @chuckwoolery

    Nancy Pelosi’s bill for alcohol on her flights from Washington to San Fran every week? We pay for it. 1000 dollars. On average 52,000 Bucks, a year for BOOZE. Tax payer money. Thank you very much.
    ————————

    that is like md’s alcohol bill

  83. janz says:

    Trump To Nancy, You’re Grounded by Don Surber, IMO,  validated how ironic this whole wall fiasco has become.

    ” When Nancy tried to cancel President Donald John Trump´s State of the Union speech, I thought it´s petty. Today, while she and her cronies were aboard an Air Force bus headed for a military flight to Europe, the Commander-in-Chief cancelled the flight.It´s funny. It´s walking-into-the-door funny. It´s The Three Stooges Meet the Marx Brothers funny. It´s society woman-meets-pie-with-her-face funny. A woman elected from some gerrymandered district in San Francisco challenged the Leader of the Free World. He left her on the bus. He physically grounded her.”

  84. lisab says:

    i actually feel bad for her husband tonight

    he will be hearing about this

  85. lisab says:

    she will NEVER negotiate now

  86. lisab says:

    Shock Poll: Trump Gains 19 Points with Latino Voters During Border Wall Shutdown

    (this is from the npr poll)

  87. lisab says:

    rumour is rbg has pnuemonia

    i hope she gets better,

    pnuemonia is horrible

  88. Paul says:

    91: Only source so far is from a known fake news producer, Santa Monica Observer.

  89. lisab says:

    Pelosi’s luggage has been returned to the halls of Congress by cart

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s luggage has been returned to the halls of congress by cart.

    The picture shows the luggage were returned to Pelosi on “military liaison” marked carts.

    https://fb13.akamaized.net/up/2019/01/pelosi-codel-luggage-1.jpg

  90. Messy says:

    84. Apparently, she’s in Brussels now. Trump is destroying the American government…and enjoying it.

  91. Messy says:

    86. The involuntary servitude and physical suffering of hundreds of thousands is not funny at all.

    But apparently, Trump thinks it’s hilarious.

  92. Messy says:

    Melania went to Palm Beach on the Government’s dime on what’s usually called air force one.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/818462/trump-canceled-nancy-pelosis-trip-afghanistan-but-melania-still-headed-palm-beach

    In going to Mar a Lago, she’s slapping hundreds of thousands of victims of involuntary servitude in the face.

  93. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy just loves her gay- baiting, bigamist, anti-Semite Cogresswoman,Ilhan Omar, from Minnesota. Will she flunk the security clearance exam?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/bds-backer-ilhan-omar-given-seat-on-powerful-house-foreign-affairs-panel/

  94. Messy says:

    You lose again, Sheep. I love it how you flat out lie like that….

  95. Messy says:

    One Hundred.

  96. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy
    The President grounded the Speaker of the House because she is on the Democrat negotiating team. I had no clue that Melania also was part of the negotiations.
    Not only are you brain dead most of the time, but you are vindictive. Even the Mafia never went after family. Despicable!
    As for the 35,000 dollar cost of Melania’s flight, did you complain about Michelle Obama’s sole vacations which cost the taxpayers millions of dollars during her time as First Lady?

    By the way, please provide links to your assertions in above #94 & 95.

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    At least some people are willing to volunteer to help the community.

    https://6abc.com/society/kutztown-police-find-volunteers-to-get-drunk-for-them/5095279/

  98. Tina says:

    Mediaite
    Mediaite
    @Mediaite
    BuzzfeedNews Bombshell Reporter: No We Have Not Seen the Evidence Supporting Our Report (link: http://mediaite.com/a/zhwab) mediaite.com/a/zhwab

    So, the buzzfeed article is fake news.

  99. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #99
    Your attempted analogy is comical.
    Israel has a wall which has stopped terrorism by over 90% since it was built. Of course, her enemies have attempted to use tunnels and other means to infiltrate.
    In your clueless world, because a couple thousand tunnel across, no wall should be built to stop the inflow of hundreds of thousands? You make it too easy for me.

    OK, oh brilliant one, what was my lie that you found so disturbing?

  100. Tina says:

    Da plane.

    Da plane.

    Epic trolling.

    Nice seeing Schiff for Brains grounded too.

    No junket for them.

  101. Tina says:

    Fake Dossier 2.0.

  102. Paul says:

    101: Melania is scum.

  103. Paul says:

    Trump is a destructive traitor to America.

  104. Polaris says:

    Does this work?

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    Polaris returns as Polaris!

  106. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #107
    Why do you think that way about our First Lady? To me, she seems like a very nice woman and she is very glamorous.

  107. Wes says:

    This blogger makes a good point. Unfortunately many of the comments reflect extreme positions on both sides of the issue:

    https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/do-north-dakota-gay-rights-activists-really-want-to-achieve-their-objectives/

  108. Wes says:

    I’m no Trump fan, but the Left is out of line to attack Melania as Paul did. Unless a First Lady decides to become overtly politically involved as Hillary did, she shouldn’t be a target for the ire of the other side.

  109. Phil says:

    Agree, Wes. Beyond that, it’s a political loser.

  110. Marv says:

    Hi Polaris,

    Nice to see you back. I still post here on occasion and read this site daily.

    ‘Horns looked especially tough against Georgia!

  111. Robbie says:

    IF, IF, IF, IF (and it’s a big IF) the Buzzfeed story is true, then Trump has suborned perjury and obstructed of justice. Both would be criminal acts that would require impeachment and removal from office. Republicans attempted to impeach and remove Clinton in 1998 for charges like these and the same occurred in 1974 with Nixon.

    Of course, I’m assuming the “rule of law” crowd still feels as they did in 1998 about the severity of potential crimes like these. It’s entirely possible the usual suspects might say it’s ok for a Trump to have potentially committed these crimes because he won as a Republican and this constitutes a coup or the laughable belief that presidents somehow can’t commit obstruction of justice.

    Also, if these accusations do prove true, it couldn’t come at a better time for Republicans. It would give the party almost two full years to put this behind them and it would give Pence a lengthy chance to prove his worth to the country as president. And if he proves wobbly or doesn’t unify the party, it gives plenty of other people like Romney, Haley, or Rubio a chance to assemble primary campaigns.

    Having said all of that, the Buzzfeed story seems a too good to be true. I’m dubious of it. Right now, all I can say is I think more reporting needs to be done.

  112. Phil says:

    Operative word here being IF.

  113. Tina says:

    Get off my plane.

  114. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 18, 2019 at 10:44 am
    I’m no Trump fan, but the Left is out of line to attack Melania as Paul did. Unless a First Lady decides to become overtly politically involved as Hillary did, she shouldn’t be a target for the ire of the other side.

    – I really don’t care how Melania Trump gets to Palm Beach, but, if it’s fair for Trump to cancel a Constitutional officer’s military flight due to the government shutdown, why should the first lady be allowed to use a military version of the Boeing 757 to fly to Florida for a weekend vacation?

    Given everything else that’s occurring, this story is small potatoes, but why is her personal travel warranted on a military aircraft? Can’t a strong case be made she should have to hold off on flying a military aircraft just as Trump is forcing others to do? Can’t she fly commercial as Trump suggested to Pelosi?

    I’m simply playing devil’s advocate here so the usual suspects can spare me their outrage.

  115. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 11:18 am
    Operative word here being IF.

    – Yes. That’s why I used IF five times.

  116. Tina says:

    If and if and if and if and if,

    Dossier 2.0.

  117. Phil says:

    I counted six.

  118. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    52m
    Notice that BuzzFeed’s anonymously sourced story dropped just as Bruce Ohr’s damning on the record testimony was getting traction.
    51
    324
    649

    BINGO

  119. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 11:28 am
    I counted six.

    – Five in the first sentence.

  120. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 18, 2019 at 11:27 am
    If and if and if and if and if,
    Dossier 2.0.

    – Bless your heart. Just keep on posting stuff from Cupcake Cardillo. I know it makes you feel better. And if you yell “but muh Fusion GPS” or “but muh Uranium One”, that will make things all right.

  121. Phil says:

    Yes, 5 + 1 = 6.

  122. Tina says:

    Chris Matthews: Trump’s Letter to Pelosi Made Democrats ‘Look Like Fools’ (VIDEO).

    This is a big b slap. I am not sure if I like the bus video or the luggage video better.

  123. Tina says:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-stretches-out-intraday-gains-amid-report-that-china-open-to-extending-1-trillion-a-year-olive-branch-on-trade-2019-01-18

    Stock market is up over 260, as China is willing to provide a $1 trillion trade concession to the US.

    BUT MUH TRADE WAR.

  124. Tina says:

    Margot Cleveland
    Margot Cleveland
    @ProfMJCleveland
    ·
    1h
    I heard
    @SpeakerPelosi
    ‘s travel plans were unexpectedly canceled yesterday, which means she’ll be in D.C. this weekend and can use her weekly address to cheer on the anti-Semitic
    @womensmarch
    again, right?

    She can also shop locally now, as opposed to shopping in Brussels as part of her junket that she would have billed to the taxpayers.

  125. Phil says:

    Frankly, it’s a waste of time watching two sides each locked in by their base play this game. Neither side is going to budge. Trump is beholden to his base with regards to border security and Democrats are beholden to their open borders left.

    Waste of my time.

  126. Messy says:

    101. There is no negotiations going on. The President refuses to negotiate and is enjoying the shutdown.

    Let me tell you about Israel’s wall: Israel is about the size of New Jersey. ALL of it. The West Bank area is about the size of Rhode Island. There are soldiers on BOTH sides of it.

    Gaza is about the size of Manhattan. There are no soldiers on the Gaza side, but there are plenty of soldiers in the Israeli side. There is also seismic sensors to detect tunnels, which both Hezbullah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza spend millions of dollars in Aid money to construct.

    The PA, Hamas, and Hezbullah, are actively at WAR with Israel, Mexico is NOT.

  127. Tina says:

    White House bans congressional delegations from using taxpayer-funded aircraft during the shutdown
    From CNN’s Sarah Westwood
    Russ Vought, acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, issued a memo Friday officially banning all congressional delegations from using taxpayer-funded aircraft.

    This comes one day after the White House denied a military plane for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s planned trip to Afghanistan to visit the troops.

    Here’s what Vought wrote:

    “Under no circumstances during a government shutdown will any government owned, rented, leased, or chartered aircraft support any Congressional delegation, without the express written approval of the White House Chief of Staff. Nor will any funds appropriated to the Executive Branch be used for any Congressional delegation travel expenses, without his express written approval.”

    AKA GET OFF MY PLANE.

  128. janz says:

    #107. Paul, that comment was totally out of line! Why are dems so gross in their comments.

  129. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – Real people are getting hurt by this shutdown. I know several Federal employees getting screwed over because they have no income. I know we like to complain about Federal employees but they did not start this fight. I do not have a solution but it would be laughable if real people were not hurt by it.

  130. Phil says:

    Janz, let them spew this. It hurts them and they are just too stupid to see that. Also, I’m all for Rep Ilham Omar, Rep Rashida Tlaib, Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Rep. Maxine Watters to continue to flap their gums for the same reason.

    Love it.

  131. Tina says:

    Yes, more of the sheot show, Phil.

  132. janz says:

    Bitter, the last check received by fed employees was January 11. Today is January 18. One week of no pay, and this is creating so much misery with these people!!!

    Couple such a short span of time with no paycheck, with the stats on how fed employees are paid more and have better benefits than the private sector, I wonder why these people don’t have at least a small rainy day cushion to prepare for unforeseen down times that invariably hit all of us.

  133. Phil says:

    Yep, the more the better, Tina.

  134. Tina says:

    Re the buzzfeed fake news report aka fake Dossier 2.0:

    “The author of the Buzzfeed junk report on Trump telling Cohen to lie to Congress, Anthony Cormier, went on CNN on Friday morning and admitted he had not seen the evidence underlying the report.
    But he ran with it anyway.”

  135. janz says:

    Phil, my husband used to hear Maxine Waters address the housing industry here in CA years ago. He always came back absolutely baffled by how such a dumb person could hold the position of congresswoman. Now she chairs the banking and finance committee! Simply amazing that the bottom of the barrel, along with AOC’s ignorance of economics, now has so much power over monetary considerations.

  136. Tina says:

    Co-author of story has a fake news past

    Jason Leopold, whose name appeared first on the byline of the story, has a serious credibility problem.

    The Columbia Journalism Review has documented that Leopold has been “caught making stuff up” on more than one occasion and “had his own memoir cancelled because of concerns over the accuracy of quotations.”

  137. Phil says:

    Yes, Waters chairing the House banking and finance committee is a joke. Actually, it’s scary.

  138. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Paul, that comment was totally out of line!”

    I’m sure Janz was equally outraged when people here said 1000x worse things about Michelle Obama.. ::rolls eyes::

    #RESIST!

  139. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hey Janz! Remember when the guy posting now used to say that Wendy Davis worked the streets? Out of line? LOL

    #RESIST!

  140. Wes says:

    Republicans suffered severe electoral setbacks in 2018 because suburban voters rebelled against Trump. Federal employees disproportionately live in suburbs. They know Trump started this shutdown before Pelosi became Speaker.

    I guess Trump wants 2020 to be 2018 on steroids.

  141. Wes says:

    For the record, Dems are clearly playing politics with this shutdown. They have the luxury of it though since the GOP had wall-to-wall control in Washington when the shutdown started. They have no motivation to work with Trump except nominally at least in the short term because Trump did this to himself.

    In creating the shutdown, Trump exacerbated the GOP’s suburban problem and gave high-turnout federal workers a strong motivation to turn out and vote Dem in 2020. That puts Trump in a precarious position in states such as AZ and GA where decent suburban showings helped him scrape by with reduced margins in 2016.

    I remember when former Hedgehogger PseudoTrump used to boast Donald Trump was “cruising to reelection.” I’m not seeing it with this self-inflicted wound.

  142. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 18, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    Republicans suffered severe electoral setbacks in 2018 because suburban voters rebelled against Trump. Federal employees disproportionately live in suburbs. They know Trump started this shutdown before Pelosi became Speaker.
    I guess Trump wants 2020 to be 2018 on steroids.

    – Don’t bother offering up important facts like this, Wes. Republicans don’t need the suburbs anymore. They’ve got Trump’s magical pixie dust. He reset modern day politics, or so I heard for the last two years.

    No Republican can win a presidential election without the suburbs. There aren’t enough red hat wearing rural voters to overcome the vote that comes from the cities and suburbia.

  143. Phil says:

    Naw, Wendy never worked the streets….just slept with a guy until he finished paying her law school tuition for three years. The very moment she graduated he was “let go”. Served his purpose and she served hers.

    Quid pro Quo

  144. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 18, 2019 at 11:52 am
    Phil – Real people are getting hurt by this shutdown. I know several Federal employees getting screwed over because they have no income. I know we like to complain about Federal employees but they did not start this fight. I do not have a solution but it would be laughable if real people were not hurt by it.

    – This idiotic shutdown doesn’t just hurt the 800,000 government workers who aren’t getting paid. It also hurts the families of the 800,000 who aren’t getting paid.

    Imagine you’re a 44 year old ATC employee who has a wife, two teenagers, a home mortgage, and two car payments. Could any typical American family go without just one paycheck in today’s world and not feel an enormous strain?

    Or how about this. In 2009 as the stock market continued to decline, plenty of people lost sleep and felt high amounts of stress over the financial uncertainty. Now imagine you’re an air traffic controller facing sleepless nights over missing not 1 but maybe 2 paychecks. Do you want tired and stressed out air traffic controllers directing passenger aircraft? I don’t and I deal with ATC every day I work.

  145. Phil says:

    Trump will lose because he will lose the suburbs. An establishment Republican will lose because he will not have blue collar appeal in the rust belt (see Romney).

    Bottom line – The Republican nominee will lose.

    It’s not complicated. All hail President Kamala Harris.

  146. Tina says:

    The banking queen will have an impact on financial services stocks, Phil.

    I would not want to be owning them.

    But it looks like whomever pegged the bottom of the market after Christmas Eve would have done well,

    I think it was Charlie Payne that said to buy.

  147. Wes says:

    Romney generally won higher proportions of the vote than Trump in most places around the country, Phil. Hillary ran worse than Obama though. That was the difference.

  148. NYCmike says:

    If everyone is so sure Republicans will lose, let’s just enjoy the shutdown and see what happens.

    For once, let’s be stubborn, and stand on principle, and see what happens.

    It won’t be any worse than 2009-2010, when the Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate, and Robbie and Wes could not blame Trump (of course, Wes had his panties in a knot about Dubya at that time).

    At least we can finally found out if the HFC agenda would lead to political Armageddon for the Republicans.

  149. NYCmike says:

    “That was the difference.”

    -Which candidate is like Obama for the Democrats in 2020? No record, speaks softly yet with his false conviction, women get the vapors thinking about this person, is privately a nasty piece of work (for the Dems, this will NOT be a problem), and is an unabashed demagogue.

  150. Wes says:

    The Mikey strategy:

    Actively work to further infuriate high-turnout voters already motivated to turn out against you.

    I see exactly no problem with this strategy at all. 🙄

  151. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/the-lackluster-democratic-field/

    “Democrats go into 2020 with the advantage. They’ve won the popular vote in all but one election since 1992. The incumbent Republican is unpopular.”

    -Robbie-“CG”-Wes-type ilk keep telling us that it is all Trump’s fault…..check out that sentence above and tell me again how Trump is the problem and any other Republican would solve that issue.

  152. Wes says:

    Trump could have made some traction against the Dems had the House been under Pelosi’s control when the shutdown started. As it is it’s all Trump’s baby. Dems can play politics and reap the benefits because the President mismanaged things and has taken the lion’s share of the blame.

    Of course Mikey’s liberal friends have apparently found religion because of the shutdown and will vote for Trump next year, having decided spending time together rather than receiving a paycheck is the ideal situation, so I’m just overreacting. Trump will win in a Nixon-style landslide because of the shutdown.

    How did I not see this before?

  153. NYCmike says:

    “Actively work to further infuriate high-turnout voters already motivated to turn out against you.”

    -That is your way of looking at it.

    I prefer to think it is Short-term pain for long-term gain.

    Maybe this time will allow both sides to see whom is correct……..if Trump holds out long enough, with the help of people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham who seem to be providing some backbone to this effort…….partially excited about this.

    (I can’t be totally excited, as the government is in a partial shutdown, and it is SOOOOO Affecting EVERYONE!).

  154. Wes says:

    Trump started the shutdown in December, Mikey. Dems took over the House this month.

    Those are facts. Because of this, Trump gets the blame. If I were a Dem I’d be thrilled Trump handled things this way.

  155. NYCmike says:

    “Trump will win in a Nixon-style landslide because of the shutdown.”

    -Looks like Wes is taking cues from “CG”, saying things that nobody else at HHR has said, yet attributing it to someone, not sure whom, on this blog.

  156. NYCmike says:

    “Trump started the shutdown in December, Mikey. Dems took over the House this month.”

    -Did I say otherwise?

    Were you arguing with someone somewhere else and forgot which forum it was happening on?

    Off your meds?

  157. Tina says:

    Yes, piglosi just stated that she was going to travel commercially to Afghanistan.

    Can the paper plane crusher confirm whether there are any commercial flights to Afghanistan?

  158. Wes says:

    No one ever libeled you by accusing you of having any kind of winning political instincts, Mikey.

  159. Wes says:

    Mikey’s even stupider than I thought. He can’t detect the most obvious of sarcasm.

  160. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    You are correct. Especially in 2016, I thought Trump had no chance…….until the very end.

    Partially due to the Democratic candidate.

    Now, moving on to 2020, while most of the candidates do not have Hillary’s baggage, they also do NOT possess Obama’s supposed attributes……which leads me to believe I should remain confident that the Republican Presidential candidate, be it the present President, or someone else, will have a 50/50 shot to win, as long as they don’t do something like Bush in ’92 (No New Taxes! broken promise) to try to appease the media and the opposition party.

  161. NYCmike says:

    Actually, I knew you were being sarcastic…….but sarcasm works better when it is in the realm of reality, as opposed to the fantasy you were pushing.

    Keep trying, and keep popping.

  162. NYCmike says:

    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/01/18/un-trying-grab-control-worldwide-immigration-policies

    -Should we worry more about Trump’s tweets or actual policies being pushed by bureaucrats/Democrats/liberals around the world?

  163. NYCmike says:

    https://theweek.com/articles/816202

    -Gorsuch/Sotomayor – Not sure what to think about this combination….have to read more.

  164. lisab says:

    on december 17, 1903 at 10:35 am,

    orville wright flew approximately 120 feet at kitty hawk, NC

    that is 120 more feet than nancy pelosi flew yesterday 🙂

  165. NYCmike says:

    “It’s not complicated. All hail President Kamala Harris.”

    -Phil,

    There was an article the other day, I will try to find it.

    Several of the items made Harris seem like a moderate Democrat, evidence being what she was in favor of as a prosecutor. I wonder if she will try to run her campaign in such a manner, and if the “progressive” wing will allow her to do so.

  166. Tina says:

    The rest of piglosis “luggage” has returned.

    http://magaimg.net/img/72n2.jpg

  167. NYCmike says:

    I have to be honest – if I was going to go on a Congressional junket, having Pelosi lead the way would probably be fun.

    She is probably one wild lady!

  168. NYCmike says:

    just went to MD’s twitter

    -2 things:
    1) THANK YOU for posting that video of the little kid who got hearing aids, and was laughing up a storm with her big sister and Mom.
    2) why would any Senator look to work for Russia? Would it be financially in their interest to do so? The $$ advantages would outweigh getting caught and potentially imprisoned?

  169. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 12:44 pm
    Trump will lose because he will lose the suburbs. An establishment Republican will lose because he will not have blue collar appeal in the rust belt (see Romney).
    Bottom line – The Republican nominee will lose.
    It’s not complicated. All hail President Kamala Harris.

    – This fatalistic view is what got us Trump because people fell for the “but he fights” line of thinking. More importantly, it’s just not the case. If an establishment Republican can’t win, explain GHWB and GWB.

    As for Romney, it’s not fair to use his election as proof an establishment Republican can’t win. He lost because he ran a lackluster campaign (by his own admission) and had the unenviable task of taking on the first black president.

  170. lisab says:

    #175 bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha

  171. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 18, 2019 at 12:56 pm
    Romney generally won higher proportions of the vote than Trump in most places around the country, Phil. Hillary ran worse than Obama though. That was the difference.

    – Precisely. Had Romney or Rubio, for example, been the candidate against Hillary, they’d have each won with more than 50% of the vote.

  172. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 1:32 pm
    https://freebeacon.com/politics/the-lackluster-democratic-field/
    “Democrats go into 2020 with the advantage. They’ve won the popular vote in all but one election since 1992. The incumbent Republican is unpopular.”
    -Robbie-“CG”-Wes-type ilk keep telling us that it is all Trump’s fault…..check out that sentence above and tell me again how Trump is the problem and any other Republican would solve that issue.

    – Sometimes, I wonder if you really are as misguided and uninformed as you appear. Had Republicans nominated almost anyone other than Trump, that Republican would have won the popular vote against Hillary. The only candidate who could have found a way to lose nationally to Hillary was Trump, the liberal con artist you defend daily as the hero Tea Party conservatism.

  173. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    If everyone is so sure Republicans will lose, let’s just enjoy the shutdown and see what happens.
    For once, let’s be stubborn, and stand on principle, and see what happens.

    – What I love about NYCmike is he’s so attached to his moronic, Tea Party idiocy, he doesn’t care one bit about the 800,000 workers who aren’t getting currently paid, their families, or the government contractors who will never get any back pay because of Trump’s stupid shutdown that was inspired by Rush and Ann Coulter.

    And by the way, there is no principle involved in Trump’s life, NYCmike. But you just keep on living in your own fantasy world.

  174. NYCmike says:

    #181 – show your proof of that.

    California and New York – how much of a difference would anyone else have made?

    Then, do Ohio, Florida, and PA WI MI. Those candidates may well have gotten less votes than Trump.

    I will give you Texas, though. I think the numbers there would have been higher for a different Republican.

    End result – electoral college loss for the Republican, while getting more votes nationwide (maybe).

    SEND A MESSAGE!

  175. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    How exactly does one show “care” for those workers who are furloughed right now?

    As for contractors not getting paid – when companies I did work for went out of business and didn’t pay me, how did the government contractors “care” about me?

    Please stop with the false “caring”. Go out and do something individually – and don’t pat yourself on the back while doing it. Just do it. Like Americans (including the Trump family) always do – more than any other country in the world!

  176. Phil says:

    W’s win was 15 years ago.

    I’m talking about the present.

  177. CG says:

    Any mainstream Republican in 2016, while they would not have won California, would have gotten many more votes than Trump did. The same could be said for just about any state, and yes, especially Texas, where’s Trump’s performance was very anemic.

    I do not believe there were large pockets of Trump voters in WV or anywhere who would have suddenly gone for Hillary against Kasich, Bush, whomever,

  178. Wes says:

    Trump won Ohio 51-43. Hard to see how Hillary flips that big a deficit. Rubio ran ahead of Trump in all but three counties. Obama had barely carried it against Romney. That’s a probable GOP victory. After that it becomes dicier, but while Michigan is probably a lost cause without the MAGA crowd, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted more robustly for Trump as Hillary ignored them while under federal investigation. Hillary got her desired vote margins in the big cities of both states but came up short as other voters turned off by her sleaze swamped them.

    It’s not at all clear PA and WI would have voted for someone under federal investigation in 2016.

    Then too NH and NV had strongly negative reactions to Trump that probably wouldn’t have been present for another Republican; thus they may have been in play as well.

    My point is that it’s not at all clear given Hillary’ Sleaze and flaws, she would inevitably have beaten any Republican other than Trump.

  179. Messy says:

    155. What? Did you just say…If everyone is so sure Republicans will lose, let’s just enjoy the shutdown and see what happens?

    wow. let’s just enjoy the shutdown

    what a horrible thing to say!!!

    let’s just enjoy the shutdown

    Enjoying innocent people in pain….sick.

  180. Wes says:

    In 187, Florida was the state I intended to reference when discussing Rubio.

  181. Wes says:

    It’s amazing.

    In 188, the stupidest poster on HHR called out the second stupidest poster on HHR for an egregiously inane comment.

    Wow.

  182. NYCmike says:

    #180 – looking at these 2 comments actually gives more credence to the idea that Romney has terrible political instincts. He may be a better person than Trump (I would probably agree with that), but maybe Romney would have been wise to sit out 2012, and looked forward to running in 2016 against Hillary.

    Instead, he overestimated his ability, underestimated Obama (as I did as well), and didn’t realize how much certain states disliked him.

  183. NYCmike says:

    Ohio – Obama 2012 = 2.827
    Ohio – Trump 2016 = 2.841

    Florida – Romney 2012 = 4.237
    Florida – Trump 2016 = 4.617

  184. NYCmike says:

    “let’s just enjoy the shutdown”

    -The weekend is here, again!

  185. NYCmike says:

    “Any mainstream Republican in 2016, while they would not have won California, would have gotten many more votes than Trump did”

    -And how many more Electoral College votes would that have netted the Republican candidate?

  186. NYCmike says:

    Wes seems to be going the MD-route with the name-calling.

    It will get “progressively” worse, if not treated with the right type of care.

  187. CG says:

    Romney ran a very strong campaign. Nobody runs a perfect campaign.

    The bottom line is that it is *always* hard to beat an incumbent President (and yes, the Democrats theoretically face that challenge in 2020 although there are unique circumstances at play) and in particular an historic incumbent that people were told they needed to feel guilty about voting against.

    Superstorm Sandy definitely did not help Romney either.

  188. NYCmike says:

    Every single furloughed worker can, while they are furloughed, try and take up part-time work.

    And then, when the shutdown is over, will receive their back pay.

    And, are still covered with medical insurance while furloughed.

    Pretty dang good gig, if you can get it.

  189. CG says:

    I think a different Republican in 2016 would have won New Hampshire and possibly Colorado.

    Even without WI and MI, that’s probably enough. I also think that the other Republicans could have won WI, MI, PA with a lot more suburban or moderate voters. Maybe some MAGA people stay home, but the net result might not have been any different. Remember, the (at one time) very popular twice elected GOP Governor of Michigan openly refused to support Trump.

  190. NYCmike says:

    #196 – did anyone say otherwise?

    He may have run a strong campaign, but maybe he should have been more selfish at that time, and waited for 2016.

  191. Phil says:

    I supported Rubio during the primaries because I felt he would be the strongest candidate in 2016.

    Popular vote wise I still feel that way. He would have done way better in Texas, California and New York. So what. It would have made a difference in the national popular vote but wouldn’t have changed the electoral votes in those states. Doubt Rubio wins Michigan and Pennsylvania and probably not Wisconsin. Assuming he hung on to Ohio he would then have needed to carry Colorado and Virginia to make up for the losses of those states. Would he have done so? They would have been closer but still losses IMO. Both states have been trending away from the GOP.

  192. NYCmike says:

    “I think a different Republican in 2016 would have won New Hampshire and possibly Colorado.”

    -Key words: “I think”.

  193. CG says:

    One can look at the 2016 exit polls and see that to many, many people, Trump= Not Hillary.

    We even saw that mentioned here by those who held their nose and voted for him.

    Theoretically Cruz could have done worse and I think Christie would have done worse, because they were divisive in other ways, without the same appeal Trump had to some. But about 5 candidates (who actually ran) could have beaten Hillary more easily than Trump did.

  194. CG says:

    It would have been dumb to wait. Obama was vulnerable and the nomination was there for Romney’s taking. The fact that he held Obama to a smaller victory the second time than the first time is unprecedented in modern times.

    Romney’s one unforced error was making the closed door remarks about the 47 percent out of frustration that got misconstrued.

  195. CG says:

    The bottom line is that 2016 is over and in the books. 2020 is approaching.

    Some will claim that no other Republican has a chance other than Trump. I think those people are kinda nuts.

    But there may be a lot of developments over the next year anyway.

  196. dblaikie says:

    Trump has totally destroyed Nancy with this stuff with the SOTU and her trip to Europe. No one, I mean no knew that she was going to leave the country for seven days while 800000 furloughed people would have to miss another paycheck. But the brilliant move was for Trump to cancel the trip he was going to take to the Party (I mean Summit) in Davos. Because of her overreach over the speech, have revealed themselves to be like the Emperor with no clothes. I look for the polls, at least the honest ones to change in the next week about who is to blame for the continued Shutdown.

  197. CG says:

    Spoiler alert:

    Next week’s polls will show the public mostly blames Trump.

  198. dblaikie says:

    I hate typos, the dems have revealed themseles

  199. Paul says:

    Tina: Of course there is commercial flights to Afghanistan. There are plenty of options from JFK to Kabul each day.

  200. dblaikie says:

    207 Nice guess. But I wouldn’t count on it. Now the whole world knows that it is Nancy who is callus and stalling for political gain. Why else would she plan to leave Washington for a week?

  201. Phil says:

    Given that we don’t have the benefit of running against Hillary again we aren’t winning the WH regardless of who the Republican candidate is. No, I don’t think Trump necessarily has the best shot. He’d have to thread the needle again in Florida, Pa, Michigan and Wisconsin. I just don’t think any of the other candidates with an R by their name would win either because of their weakness in the rust belt. Nikki Haley would come closest IMO but closer only counts in horseshoes.

  202. NYCmike says:

    “Next week’s polls will show the public mostly blames Trump.”

    -I agree.

    Who cares?

    It isn’t November 2020 yet.

  203. CG says:

    Signs are definitely pointing towards Maryland Governor Larry Hogan launching a GOP Presidential primary challenge against Trump.

    Extremely uphill to be sure, but he really has nothing to lose. He’s a guy who completely beat the odds in his state to win and then governed conservatively and remains incredibly popular there. He also beat cancer.

    He is helped by not being part of the “mess in Washington” but also geographically close enough to the Beltway for free media.

    He wouldn’t be able to run for President as an Independent due to the various “sore loser” laws in many states, but I am not sure that applies to being unable to run for VP on an Independent ticket.

  204. NYCmike says:

    “Given that we don’t have the benefit of running against Hillary again we aren’t winning the WH regardless of who the Republican candidate is.”

    -Just like I asked Wes – what kind of odds are you giving, since you are so sure of this result?

  205. CG says:

    Pelosi will continue to have low favorability numbers nationally. The public will continue to blame Trump for the shut-down.

    Book it.

  206. NYCmike says:

    “Signs are definitely pointing towards Maryland Governor Larry Hogan launching a GOP Presidential primary challenge against Trump.”

    -Go for it. I enjoy a good primary.

  207. NYCmike says:

    “but I am not sure that applies to being unable to run for VP on an Independent ticket.”

    -BUT, “CG” doesn’t want the Democratic candidate to win.

  208. CG says:

    Well, if the Rust Belt MAGA folk out of spite were to decide to stay home and not vote for a genuine conservative or to vote for a socialist to “send a message” of support for OnlyTrump, then the Democrats will win.

    I give the run of the mill Trump voter more credit than that though. Perhaps I am a Pollyanna.

    I think a different Republican will keep those votes and has the potential to win a ton that will simply never vote for Trump.

  209. NYCmike says:

    “Trump has totally destroyed Nancy with this stuff with the SOTU and her trip to Europe.”

    -Please show proof for this statement.

    Thanks.

  210. Wes says:

    Heh.

    The guy who supported the Tea Party’s disenfranchisement of voters in UT and VA claims to like primaries.

    By the way, Mikey, Mike Lee has become a vocal critic of voter enfranchisement via primaries. I wonder why.

  211. NYCmike says:

    “Well, if the Rust Belt MAGA folk out of spite were to decide to stay home and not vote for a genuine conservative….”

    -Please define “genuine conservative”, and then what names would fit that definition?

  212. CG says:

    Actually, I want the Republican Party (the party I have always associated myself with) to win in 2020, which is why I feel it is so crucial to dump Trump.

    Those that insist on OnlyTrump don’t seem to what happens to the GOP in the short or long-term.

  213. CG says:

    Romney, Haley, Flake, Corker, Rubio, Portman, Sasse, and many others are “genuine conservatives” like yours truly.

    I would consider Hogan to be more of a moderate conservative, but still a moderate should be far preferable than a liberal.

  214. NYCmike says:

    “The guy who supported the Tea Party’s disenfranchisement of voters in UT and VA claims to like primaries.”

    -I supported the legal rights of citizens in certain states who decided the best way to pick their party nominees was thru different methods besides a primary.

    Why are you against the citizens of certain states using different, legal methods of picking their representatives?

  215. CG says:

    Throw MA Governor Charlie Baker into that as well as a moderate Republican who could probably beat a left-wing Democrat nationally fairly easily.

  216. NYCmike says:

    “Romney, Haley, Flake, Corker, Rubio, Portman, Sasse, and many others are “genuine conservatives” like yours truly.”

    -Define the term FIRST.

    Maybe we will have agreement.

    BUT, first we need to agree on the definition.

  217. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    1h
    Everybody of consequence at the FBI and the DOJ understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
    Bruce Ohr’s testimony before Congress shows what the FBI has been hiding since 2016: more evidence of FISA abuse, writes @KimStrassel
    Opinion | What Bruce Ohr Told the FBI
    wsj.com

  218. NYCmike says:

    “Those that insist on OnlyTrump don’t seem to what happens to the GOP in the short or long-term.”

    -I have NEVER insisted on “OnlyTrump”. In fact, have Kasich, Romney, Haley whomever join the primary again.

    May the best person win.

    Of course, you would NOT respect the result of another primary IF it was Trump, which is why we need the definition of “genuine conservative” FIRST.

  219. NYCmike says:

    “don’t seem to what happens”

    -Messy,

    We need a word here.

  220. Phil says:

    218

    That was my belief as well, Corey before I saw the differential between Romney’s performance in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and Trump’s support 4 yrs later. That run of the mill Trump type voter supported Obama in 2012 in counties like Lackawanna and Erie in Pa, Macomb County, Michigan and Trumbull County, Ohio.

    I don’t necessarily understand it, but those blue collar type counties just didn’t go for Romney and I’m trying to imagine them going for a similar Republican establishment candidate. if those voters didn’t buy Romney are they suddenly going to like someone like Rubio?

  221. CG says:

    Holding the same general positions as Ronald Reagan on economic, national security, and social issues.

  222. CG says:

    I can’t support Trump not because he isn’t a genuine conservative, which of course he isn’t, but because there is ample evidence he is not even a genuine American in terms of his loyalty and competence.

  223. NYCmike says:

    #230 – “CG” “knows” differently…..he does not question his “beliefs”.

  224. Wes says:

    Weird how after 2010 and 2013, voters pressured the parties in those states into allowing primaries, isn’t it, Mikey?

  225. Tina says:

    Dow. 24706

    Up 336.25

    Up big due to a possible China trade concession.

  226. CG says:

    There were certainly votes that went from Obama to Trump.

    I think that had more to do with Hillary than Trump, and thus would have gone from Obama to other candidates.

    There are also those who went from Romney to Hillary of course,,, which should never have happened but *only* happened because of Trump.

  227. Tina says:

    Quittens cannot win a national election.

    He basically cannot take a punch.

    The guy also takes every position on every issue,

  228. NYCmike says:

    “Holding the same general positions as Ronald Reagan on economic, national security, and social issues.”

    -“Holding” as in policy proposals, or personal?

    Reagan’s administration levied tariffs……are you agreed with that? Or will you “know” otherwise?

  229. Tina says:

    Sassehole looks cute, but I cannot think of anything he has done in the senate, other than his correct resolution that passed indiciating that thenKnights of Columbus was nit racist.

    After all, Willi Browns Mistress, said that they were.racist.

  230. NYCmike says:

    “There are also those who went from Romney to Hillary of course,,, which should never have happened but *only* happened because of Trump.”

    -Proof?

    What you just said – we will need more than your word on that.

    In regard to Obama to Trump, there is proof. Salena Zito has many pages written on the subject.

  231. CG says:

    Policy proposals.

    On tariffs, that was one mistake Reagan made, although he went not nearly as far as Trump wants to go. The economy was hurt as a result and Reagan realized it was a mistake. He generally took a pro-trade position. Nobody is perfect.

  232. NYCmike says:

    “Weird how after 2010 and 2013, voters pressured the parties in those states into allowing primaries, isn’t it, Mikey?”

    -Wes,

    I didn’t have an opinion either way.

    The citizens of those states decided they wanted, legally, to change how they chose their representatives.

    This isn’t very difficult, Wes.

    A fascist would fight the voters changing things.

    I didn’t.

    Move on.

  233. Phil says:

    Again, we aren’t going to get to run against Hillary again so Trump gets beaten because he is weak in the suburbs or a more standard Republican does better in the suburbs but take it on the chin in the blue collar areas as well as not running as strong as Trump in rural areas.

    A loss is a loss. I wish I could say I was all wrong, but I don’t think I am.

  234. CG says:

    Why else would a Romney voter go to Hillary if not for Trump?

    We saw this in the 2016 results in many counties, many Congressional districts, and all sorts of traditionally Republican places.

    In 2018, it got even worse for Republicans.

    Also, just think Author, MD, et al

  235. Tina says:

    Reagan did not just do tariffs one time.

    There were also quotas on. Japanese trucks and clothes pins

    100 percent tariffs on many Japanese electronic goods.

    He was able to get production moved here of Japanese autos

    Reagan was not a pure free trader. A lot of his speeches at the time touted free and fair trade.

  236. Tina says:

    Now, we just replace Japan with China.

    The jebots sucked up to the commies with a happy face.

  237. CG says:

    Currently, Trump allies are asking the RNC to cancel all 2020 Presidential primaries.

    Will that be ok?

  238. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    23m
    Pelosi said she misses GW Bush.

    Of course she does. Every football team misses the QB they sacked on nearly every play.

    Piglosi also misses her plane.

  239. CG says:

    Are these blue collar voters suddenly going to revert and vote for Kamala or Beto or Elizabeth or whomever? I really don’t think so.

    I think Trump is already losing these blue collar voters more than anything else.

    It is also true that the number of blue collar voters are decreasing and the number of white collar voters are increasing.

    So, which side is it better for the GOP to be strong with if there must be a choice (and I think the right candidate can get both)

  240. Phil says:

    Are these blue collar voters going to suddenly revert and vote for Kamala or Beto or Elizabeth?

    Since none of those candidates go by the name of Hillary, probably yes. Those same voters had no trouble pulling the lever for Obama over Romney.

  241. NYCmike says:

    “Will that be ok?”

    -No. I will state my disapproval when and if this actually happens.

    Next stupid question.

  242. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:10 pm
    Robbie,
    How exactly does one show “care” for those workers who are furloughed right now?

    – Open the government. That’s how.

  243. NYCmike says:

    Phil is even more doomsday than Robbie.

    I’ll hold out hope for Trump or any other Republican who can unite the party and get “independents”, especially against that batch of leftists running on the Dem side.

  244. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:12 pm
    W’s win was 15 years ago.
    I’m talking about the present.

    – You’re presenting a fatalistic view because you’re unhappy with the current immigration laws.

  245. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:30 pm
    Romney ran a very strong campaign. Nobody runs a perfect campaign.

    – Even Romney doesn’t agree with this. His campaign all but ran out of money in late Spring and early Summer and he ceded the airwaves to Obama because of it. It wasn’t until he gave his campaign a loan that he was able to really start advertising again.

    His media buying strategy was also very costly and he was unable to articulate an affirmative reason to vote for him until the first debate. It was always going to be a tough race for him to win, but he did himself no favors, especially when he allowed himself to get boxed into a hawkish immigration stance in the primaries.

  246. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:32 pm
    Every single furloughed worker can, while they are furloughed, try and take up part-time work.

    – NYCmike to furloughed workers “let them eat cake”.

  247. NYCmike says:

    “– Open the government. That’s how.”

    -That would show disrespect to 300 million+ citizens of the United States, who want something to be done about border security.

    That would show disrespect to the millions of low-wage workers who can be easily replaced if we do not do something about uncontrolled illegal immigration. The current situation directly AFFECTS those workers just like a shutdown affects federal workers, EXCEPT that there is no back pay for the low-wage earners, and usually no healthcare coverage either.

  248. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING:
    The President will announce a National Emergency tomorrow at the Southern Border!

  249. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike to furloughed workers “let them eat cake”.”

    -Actually, I can say “We have paying work. Do you want it?”.

    What can you do for the furloughed workers, other than screwing over millions of low-wage earners because you have a personal issue with Trump?

  250. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    I supported Rubio during the primaries because I felt he would be the strongest candidate in 2016.
    Popular vote wise I still feel that way. He would have done way better in Texas, California and New York. So what. It would have made a difference in the national popular vote but wouldn’t have changed the electoral votes in those states. Doubt Rubio wins Michigan and Pennsylvania and probably not Wisconsin.

    – You’ve fallen into the trap of believing only Trump could have won WWC voters. Wrong. Clinton was widely unpopular and those voters went with Trump because they didn’t want Clinton. The suburbs still count and there was underperformance by Trump in those areas. Rubio probably would have won the Trump states plus CO, VA, and maybe even NM.

  251. Tina says:

    National Emergencies only apply abroad.

    Jebots

  252. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:43 pm
    Trump has totally destroyed Nancy with this stuff with the SOTU and her trip to Europe. No one, I mean no knew that she was going to leave the country for seven days while 800000 furloughed people would have to miss another paycheck. But the brilliant move was for Trump to cancel the trip he was going to take to the Party (I mean Summit) in Davos. Because of her overreach over the speech, have revealed themselves to be like the Emperor with no clothes. I look for the polls, at least the honest ones to change in the next week about who is to blame for the continued Shutdown.

    – This is certifiably insane. Every word of it. Someone has really spent too much time listening to Rush Limbaugh.

  253. Phil says:

    No Robbie. The current immigration laws have nothing to do with it.

  254. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:49 pm
    “Next week’s polls will show the public mostly blames Trump.”
    -I agree.
    Who cares?
    It isn’t November 2020 yet.

    – Then you’re insane as well.

  255. NYCmike says:

    “Someone has really spent too much time listening to Rush Limbaugh.”

    -Did Limbaugh say this?

    Does that mean you were listening to Limbaugh?

    Do you always listen to people you believe to be insane?

    Pogo Loco……for a reason, I guess.

  256. NYCmike says:

    “– Then you’re insane as well.”

    -“CG”, help me out here.

    I was agreeing with your statement about the polls.

    Are you and I insane together?

    Whoa!

  257. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 5:04 pm
    218
    That was my belief as well, Corey before I saw the differential between Romney’s performance in Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and Trump’s support 4 yrs later. That run of the mill Trump type voter supported Obama in 2012 in counties like Lackawanna and Erie in Pa, Macomb County, Michigan and Trumbull County, Ohio.

    – We were at the end of an unpopular eight year presidency. You can’t compare those states in 2012 and 2016 and claim it’s all because of Trump. It had to do wit the national mood and the unpopularity of Hillary.

  258. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:10 pm
    Are these blue collar voters going to suddenly revert and vote for Kamala or Beto or Elizabeth?
    Since none of those candidates go by the name of Hillary, probably yes. Those same voters had no trouble pulling the lever for Obama over Romney.

    – Explain to me how culturally conservative whites vote for a California liberal. This will be 2020 and not 2008.

  259. Tina says:

    Looks like Piglosi is not staying in Dc.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1086387505866379265

    Hope she enjoys her commercial flight back to Sf.

  260. NYCmike says:

    ” It had to do wit the national mood and the unpopularity of Hillary.”

    -Again, a reporter named Salena Zito reported EXTENSIVELY in these states.

    I don’t think she came to the same conclusions.

  261. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:27 pm
    “– Open the government. That’s how.”
    -That would show disrespect to 300 million+ citizens of the United States, who want something to be done about border security.

    – So now you speak for 300 million citizens? Give me break. You don’t know jack. You’re just adhering to your moronic Tea Party views.

  262. Tina says:

    e Retweeted
    MSNBC
    MSNBC
    @MSNBC
    ·
    6h
    .
    @GarrettHaake
    : Do you view this as retaliation for your letter about the State of the Union?

    Speaker Pelosi: “I would hope not. I don’t think the president would be that petty, do you?”

    Your junket got grounded.

    Poor Schiff he looked like was going to cry with his colorful sweater.

    No,shopping in Brussels at taxpayer expense.

  263. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:32 pm
    No Robbie. The current immigration laws have nothing to do with it.

    – I don’t buy into the “demography is destiny” stuff like you do.

  264. NYCmike says:

    ” It had to do wit the national mood and the unpopularity of Hillary.”

    -Revise my statement.

    I read Robbie’s statement wrong.

  265. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:31 pm
    National Emergencies only apply abroad.
    Jebots

    – Cleary, we have a national mental health emergency and you’re proof of it.

  266. NYCmike says:

    “You don’t know jack.”

    -Is he for open borders?

    Then NO, I don’t remember him actually saying that during a campaign. ALL of them usually talk tough about the border, until they get elected.

  267. Phil says:

    I would suppose the same way they voted for a Democratic candidate to the left of Hillary vs Romney. See 2012 culturally conservative whites in Iowa. Obama’s carried the state by six over Romney. Trump carried Iowa by nine points.

  268. Tina says:

    I am for open borders.

    Jebots

  269. NYCmike says:

    “– So now you speak for 300 million citizens? ”

    Robbie – please show all of the politicians who ran on open borders.

    Thanks in advance.

  270. Tina says:

    Romney was just a bad candidate.

    He let candy dominate him in the second debate.

    Not hapoy that he lost though, like others.

  271. Phil says:

    I don’t buy into the “demography is destiny” like you.

    Why, you don’t believe in simple math? Allow me to refer you to the state of California since the 1990s.

    Get your head out of the sand.

  272. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm
    I would suppose the same way they voted for a Democratic candidate to the left of Hillary vs Romney. See 2012 culturally conservative whites in Iowa. Obama’s carried the state by six over Romney. Trump carried Iowa by nine points.

    – It’s tough to defeat an incumbent president, especially the first black president, when there was a view the economy was slightly improving. On top of that, there have been changes to how states vote since 2012. Democrats now view Ohio is no longer winnable and Republicans no longer view Virginia as winnable. Realignments happen regardless of demography.

    Regardless, I think you put too much emphasis on demography and don’t give WWC voters enough respect when you suggest Rubio couldn’t win where Trump did.

  273. Phil says:

    Yep, no correlation whatsoever between the changing demographics of California and the increasing domination of that state by Democrats over the last thirty years. Nope. None at all.

  274. Tina says:

    Robby Starbuck
    Robby Starbuck
    @robbystarbuck
    ·
    33m
    Here’s a handy comprehensive list of groups who don’t want a border wall:

    • Sex Traffickers
    • Human Traffickers
    • Drug Traffickers
    • Drug Cartels
    • MS13 and Other Gangs
    • Central American Governments
    • Economic *illegal* migrants
    • Far left activists
    • Elected Democrats

    (He forgot Jebots)

  275. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm
    “– So now you speak for 300 million citizens? ”
    Robbie – please show all of the politicians who ran on open borders.
    Thanks in advance.

    – Your reliance on cheap talking points like “open borders” is very sad. Just because I don’t support a dumb 2400 mile wall that will never get built or even work doesn’t mean I support open borders.

    The next thing you’re going to tell me is Reagan was for open borders too since he supported work permits.

  276. Phil says:

    First off, Robbie, let’s define culturally consevative voters. I am referring to working class whites and they have been voting for Democrats forever – Truman, Stevenson, JFK. Hubert Humphrey, Kerry, Obama. I have never been able to explain it, but it’s been a fact.

  277. NYCmike says:

    ‘The next thing you’re going to tell me is Reagan was for open borders too since he supported work permits.”

    -No, I won’t say that.

    I will say that Reagan regretted the amnesty he signed, because enforcement never came.

    Democrats can’t be trusted.

  278. Tina says:

    Piglosi wanted to so badly see the troops in Afghanistan.

    The troops did not want to see Piglosi.

    The troops do want to come home from that sheotholel

  279. NYCmike says:

    ” Just because I don’t support a dumb 2400 mile wall that will never get built or even work doesn’t mean I support open borders.”

    -I don’t support a wall just for the wall’s sake.

    The border control workers who Trump brought to his press conferences would probably be better able to say what to build, where to build, where to put manned checkpoints, where to use drones and electronic sensors, etc.

    Your opinion is simply, and reflexively, anti-Trump, just like the Democrats.

  280. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/nycs-new-minimum-wage-law-forcing-restaurant-owners-to-cut-workers-hours/

    -Can’t say we didn’t warn them.

    As often as I can, I use a kiosk now.

    I’ll let Robbie “care” about those workers who insisted on a higher minimum wage.

  281. NYCmike says:

    I regularly go into a small diner in my neighborhood. The owner is the cook, and he usually has one helper, plus his pop, who used to run the place, and took it over from his uncle. There is no waitress service, as they all do everything. In fact, if needed, I have bused tables while I was there.

    In return, he has kept prices low, and good portions.

    Oh, did I mention the diner has been in business for over 60 years, and the one helper has been there for about 25, and has put 2 daughters thru college and his young son is now going to high school.

    That helper didn’t insist on raises, he worked for it.

  282. Tina says:

    Well, looks like Fuhrer Mulehead has put down the buzz piece article.

    BuzzFeed News
    BuzzFeed News
    @BuzzFeedNews
    UPDATE: A spokesperson for the special counsel is disputing BuzzFeed News’ report. (link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc) buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonl…

  283. Tina says:

    Sc Mulehead has said the buzz piece sheot article is false.

    Fake news

  284. Tina says:

    This is a highly unusual move by Sc Mulehead to come out like this,

    Good move on his behalf.

    Fake news will not correct the record though.

    Acosta and the jebots must be crushed.

  285. lisab says:

    but if if if if if it’s true …

  286. Tina says:

    Erick Erickson
    Erick Erickson
    @EWErickson
    ·
    4m
    The Mueller team rarely issues a statement rebutting press coverage. To come out with any statement at all that says BuzzFeed got stuff wrong related to Cohen is actually a really big freakin’ deal.

  287. jason says:

    The statement that another Republican other than Trump could have won the election is hilarious.’

    NOBODY other than Trump would have won MI, WI or PA. NONE. And without those the path would have been virtually impossible.

    I made the case that perhaps Rubio could have eked out a narrow EC victory by winning all the Romney states plus FL, CO, NM and NV, with big Hispanic populations and NH. But that is still only 265, he would have had to win VA too, a tall order.

    It is hilarious that Corey and Amoral Scumbag won’t admit only Trump could have won in 2016, Jeb and Romney would have lost in landslides. Any R except Trump would have even struggled to win Ohio, and only Rubio among them would have won FL.

    The reason they won’t admit it is because then they would have to admit Trump is a stronger candidate for both the nomination and the GE than any other name out there.

    Larry Hogan? If I was still a R I wouldn’t vote for him over Trump in the PA primary, but if he is the nominee against any of the Dem moonbats, I will certainly vote for him.

  288. jason says:

    Mueller denies Buzzfeed fake news.

    Amoral Scumbag hardest hit.

  289. jason says:

    Someone might have told Cohen that admitting to crimes but blaming his actions on someone else is not really a good legal strategy.

  290. jason says:

    rs enough respect when you suggest Rubio couldn’t win where Trump did.”

    Zzzzzz…

    Nobody was a bigger supporter of Rubio than I was.

    But no, he would never even come close to winning PA, WI or MI. He would have won Ohio by half the margin Trump did.

    He would have done better in FL than Trump. He would have done better in TX, CO, NV, NM, AZ, even CA than Trump did. He might have eked out a win in NH.

    He still would have lost to Hillary.

  291. Tina says:

    The jebots, drats are melting down on twitter about Mulehead.

  292. Phil says:

    Yep, without Virginia Rubio would have come up short in the electoral college and even if he won that he’d be at 278 – 24 short of what Trump ended up with.

    Trump is the only Republican who could have carried the rust belt which it turned out was the only path.

    I thought Rubio would have the best chance vs Hillary but as it turned out I was dead wrong. Hillary and her campaign believed Trump was the easiest opponent. They were dead wrong too.

  293. Tina says:

    The jebots have been buzzphuqed.

  294. Tina says:

    Folks, I think Acting Ag Whitaker forced Mulehead to make the correction to Buzzphuq fake news story,

    Earlier, they had no comment,

  295. Tina says:

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    Former top FBI attorney James Baker admitted to House lawmakers in October last year that the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump 2016 presidential campaign and Russia was riddled with abnormalities.

    Duh,

  296. NYCmike says:

    2020 will be a tough contest for Republicans, no doubt about it.

    The comment I posted earlier, about winning the popular vote once since 1992, is instructive.

    I still think Republicans have a 50/50 chance. I do wish that Trump could, all of a sudden, get hit with an incredible amount of discipline, while maintaining some of his combative nature.

    I do not wish ill will upon him.

    I don’t want the Democrats to win the White House in 2020.

  297. NYCmike says:

    I want RBG to have a full and complete recovery.

    I want RBG to spend a YUGE amount of time with her family as a FORMER Supreme Court Justice.

  298. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/LauraLMonroe33/status/1086437588880244737

    -I posted a tweet from this person months ago, and Robbie, of course, belittled it.

    BUT, the rule about waiting 72 hours before accepting any “Breaking News” from the MSM is a very good rule!

  299. NYCmike says:

    24 hours seems to be plenty a lot of the time.

    SAD!

  300. Tina says:

    eted
    Rudy Giuliani
    Rudy Giuliani
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    I commend Bob Mueller’s office for correcting the BuzzFeed false story that Pres. Trump encouraged Cohen to lie. I ask the press to take heed that their hysterical desire to destroy this President has gone too far. They pursued this without critical analysis all day. #FAKENEWS

    Rudy compliments Mulehead.

  301. Tina says:

    Jon Nicosia
    @NewsPolitics
    CNN Tobin on BuzzFeed. ‘This is a bad day for the media’

    Duh,

  302. Tina says:

    Peter J. Hasson
    Peter J. Hasson
    @peterjhasson
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    The 24 hour rule for Russia bombshells remains a good rule

    For muh Russian hoaxing, it is 24 hours, NYC.

  303. Tina says:

    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    Mueller: BuzzFeed article is not accurate.

    Chris Matthews: Not accurate doesn’t mean it’s not true.

    Paging Dan Rather.

  304. Chicon says:

    Robbie goes dark once Mueller releases his statement. Who is surprised?

    Robbie’s a true conservative….when did they become open borders types?

  305. Tgca says:

    What could be anymore beautiful and wonderous as this? 8 amazing seconds.

    http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/17/video-just-eight-weeks-conception-tiny-baby-kicks-arms-legs/

  306. Tina says:

    CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin on BuzzFeed: “People are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and they’re willing to lie to do it…I just think this is a bad day for us”

    Post Mortem.

  307. Chicon says:

    317 – in a rare moment of clarity, Ol’ Jeffy gets one right.

  308. Chicon says:

    My sources – hey, the media sez the same thing – say that tomorrow’s Presidential announcement is that Robbie has agreed to fly his gal Nancy around in a Piper Cherokee until there’s a deal. Nancy will cave soon, peeps.

  309. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    317. “CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin on BuzzFeed: “People are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and they’re willing to lie to do it.”

    Sounds like the trolls on this board. Each day they search the news for something that can use to attack Trump. If it turns out to be not true, they go quiet. A day or so later they return with other negative news. It is like a broken record — each day they sound the same.

  310. lisab says:

    they just wanted to knock trump cancelling pelosi’s flight off the frontpage

    and lying was convenient

  311. lisab says:

    the dems are weaker in 2020 than some here think

    they have an oca et al. problem.

    while the moderate dems will want a presentable candidate that will keep the status quo …

    the oca et al. will push for a tax the rich transfer a lot of wealth to the poor policy. the 1% like bezos do not want oca or bernie bros in charge. it will be a war

  312. Phil says:

    320

    That pretty well sums it up.

  313. sandiegocitizen says:

    322. Agree lisab. The Democrats may be their own worst enemy in 2020. Putting together the Democratic Platform alone may be a knock down drag out battle.

  314. lisab says:

    i would agree the dems are their own worst enemy

    they think the oca types that they have been encouraging will be fine with bezos having $100 billion dollars

    she would not be ok with the clintons having $1 billion dollars

  315. Wobbles says:

    “People are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and they’re willing to lie to do it.”

    I love leftist liars as long as they lie about Trump.

  316. jason says:

    Trump is the only Republican who could have carried the rust belt which it turned out was the only path.

    I thought Rubio would have the best chance vs Hillary but as it turned out I was dead wrong. Hillary and her campaign believed Trump was the easiest opponent. They were dead wrong too.”

    Yep, I was wrong too but the Jebbots cannot admit they were wrong and that is why they are promoting the fantasy another R would have beaten Hillary.

    Rubio would have done the best of the losers but would have lost just the same. Romney would not have done better than 2012 when he only got 206 EV’s. Jeb would have been decimated even worse. None of them would have gotten that many blue collar counties (200) to switch from D to R, that was 100% Trump.

    Trying to pretend otherwise just shows Corey and Amoral Scumbag’s TDS is just based on blind hatred with no basis in reality.

  317. jason says:

    I should say switch the blue collar vote enough to flip 200 counties from D to R, not 200 “blue collar counties”.

  318. jason says:

    Stark County Ohio 2012

    Obama 89,432
    Romney 88,581

    Stark County Ohio 2016

    Trump 98,388
    Clinton 68,146

    Anyone except the Jebbots really want to claim this would have happened with Romney as a candidate?

  319. Tina says:

    Do not worry, the jebots indicate that while it is fake, it is accurate.

    Look for the Hawaiian judge to rebuke Mulehead.

  320. Tina says:

    Buck Sexton
    Buck Sexton
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    You’ve gotta turn on CNN right now, it’s hilarious

    Currently a former prosecutor comforting the CNN audience that there will be many, many other vague crimes with no evidence that Trump has been or will be accused of

    Good times.

    Now, do you get this? Trump winning the presidency is and was a “crime.”

  321. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    ?
    @RealSaavedra
    CNN’s Cuomo: “Mueller didn’t do the media any favors tonight and he did do Trump one…this allows them to say, ‘You can’t believe it. You can’t believe what you read, you can’t believe what you hear, you can only believe us. Even the SC says that the media doesn’t get it right’”

    1,423
    7:27 PM – Jan 18, 2019

  322. jason says:

    There is no difference between the MSM and the old Pravda from the Soviet Union.

    Corey and Amoral Scumbag should be outraged, but what the hell, it’s good for the “cause”.

    They have the adopted the Dem meme “the ends justify the means”.

    And yet they pretend they want to take the high moral ground while they wallow in the MSM cesspool of lies, group think and fake news.

  323. jason says:

    “People are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president,”

    Alas, are people really that smart?

    I bet you if you proved the MSM was in collusion to lie about Trump, the Jebbots here would still eat up anything they say like flies on dog crap.

  324. jason says:

    Rubio probably would have won the Trump states plus CO, VA, and maybe even NM.”

    This is hilarious. Corey and Amoral Scumbag trashed Rubio mercilessly, no lie or rumor or hit job was too low for them to regurgitate here. Corey was even using the “Rubio is not eligible” garbage while claiming he was just saying “what others are saying”.

    Amoral Scumbag belittled Rubio’s chances at winning a GE for what, over a year.

    Now he claims Rubio would have won the GE and all the Trump states.

    Astounding hypocrisy.

    He knows Rubio would never have carried MI, WI or PA, not in a million years.

  325. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The Epoch Times has summarized top FBI Lawyer, James Baker’s, Congressional testimony in the linked article. If you conclude from the testimony that Baker and many other FBI and DOJ officials were not colluding with the Clinton campaign to destroy The Donald and his campaign, then I have Florida swampland to sell you. Baker’s testimony with the Clinton campaign’s attorney, David Sussman, regarding the fablelist charge that servers in Trump Towers were connected to Russian servers is really, really damning!

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/transcripts-of-former-top-fbi-lawyer-detail-pervasive-abnormalities-in-trump-probe_2771370.html

    I like this Epoch Times electronic newspaper. Does anyone know who founded and funded this publication?

  326. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Where’s Messy this morning? She usually posts something untruthful and snarky by this time.

    Any bets on whether the following folks will be posting here today? Robbie, CG, PO, Paul, Bunu, Pete Wilson, Tim from GA, etc.

  327. Chicon says:

    I thought Messy is a male, not that gender is relevant to Messy.

  328. dblaikie says:

    I have already said that forecasts of Trump’s demise in 2020 were very premature. Fore instance, Wes and I have had a respectful but fully candid disagreement over this (Wormtongue take notice our disagreements are over our different opinions and isn’t personal). My argument has always been about the power of incumbency, a huge war chest, continued good policy, and the tenuous hope that folks who don’t like Trump will still vote for him.

    But now I have a powerful additional argument that has been around from the first. The power of Trump derangement to drive his opponents to do really stupid things. The last 48 hours have proven this. Look for the approval numbers begin to rise albeit reluctantly.

  329. dblaikie says:

    It just my opinion but the days where Mueller could do anything he wanted without comment or consequences have ended now Rosenstein is leaving. Mueller and Weisman and the rest Robert’s gang of thugs have been put on a leash — just my opinion without caused by the Special Counsel’s action against Buzzfeed.

  330. Tina says:

    Dan Rather
    @DanRather
    Special Counsel has issued a statement disputing Buzzfeed report- a sober reminder of how much we have yet to learn. All who care about the Constitution should let facts dictate conclusions. And remember there will be political as well as legal judgement for this Administration.

    Fake news lecturing Faker News.

  331. dblaikie says:

    I hate typos — just my opinion caused by the Special Counsel’s

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason starts the morning blasting away. Of course, it was already lunch time for him so he was probably hungry and irritable.

  333. jason says:

    “Of course, it was already lunch time for him so he was probably hungry and irritable.”

    Bitter reads me like a book.

    I feel better now, just had a low carb lunch of roast pork, sauerkraut, green beans with slab bacon, deviled eggs, blueberries and cream and a couple thick slices of Amish cheese. Should hold me until a mid afternoon snack.

  334. jason says:

    And remember there will be political as well as legal judgement for this Administration.”

    Yah thinks?

    What was the first clue, 99% Trump bashing 24/7?

  335. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CG and Robbie will be sad to learn that most of the furloughed federal employees in Alabama place the blame for the shutdown at the hands of Senator Doug Jones(D) and those of his political ilk.
    Those who voted for him in the Special Election a few years ago promise not to do so again(unless the Republican candidate is a “child predator”) and refer to him as a phony and a “dead man walking”. THEY WANT THE WALL BUILT!!!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doug-jones-risks-his-alabama-senate-seat-over-the-shutdown-and-the-wall/ar-BBSqir2?ocid=spartanntp

  336. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    jason
    Very amusing except that Tgca is probably in neurotic shock after reading your post #344. Where is the side of kale?!

    “I feel better now, just had a low carb lunch of roast pork, sauerkraut, green beans with slab bacon, deviled eggs, blueberries and cream and a couple thick slices of Amish cheese. Should hold me until a mid afternoon snack.”

  337. Tina says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptrs8t0MadM&feature=youtu.be

    Trump comments on buzzfeed and thanks Sc Mueller.

  338. Paul says:

    The word is that Trump will make an offer to open Government for $1 billion in wall funding this afternoon. Anyone else here that?

  339. Messy says:

    349…as that what was in that bill the Democrats passed on January 3rd, it appears that he as totally caved in.

  340. Robbie says:

    Temporary immigration fixes for a permanent wall doesn’t seem like much of an offer, especially since DACA is in place for at least another year since SCOTUS didn’t take up the case this term.

    And how will the immigration hawks feel about this?

    Jeremy Diamond
    @JDiamond1

    Jeremy Diamond Retweeted Jonathan Swan
    A source familiar with the 3pm speech confirms this @jonathanvswan scoop to me.
    Trump is expected to propose a extending DACA & TPS protections (BRIDGE Act) in exchange for his $5.7 billion wall demand

  341. Tina says:

    Poor Schiff for Brains,

    Had a worse week than piglosi,

    What will happen when Ed Buck is arrested?

  342. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
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    Fusion GPS assets Natasha Bertrand and Ken Dilanian we’re working overtime yesterday.

    They also did not have a good day.

  343. Tina says:

    Breaking News

    Jebots turn on Mueller.

    Indicate he has been compromised by Russia.

  344. jason says:

    Where’s Messy this morning? She usually posts something untruthful and snarky by this time.”

    There is always hope she is busy with some remedial literacy program.

    Nahhhh…..

  345. jason says:

    Trump is expected to propose a extending DACA & TPS protections (BRIDGE Act) in exchange for his $5.7 billion wall demand”

    I have been proposing this for years, so I am all for this solution.

  346. jason says:

    Where is the side of kale?!”

    Huh, it’s there, on the side.

  347. Chicon says:

    Robbie, what is an immigration hawk in your book?

  348. Wobbles says:

    If you oppose open borders, you are an immigration hawk.

  349. jason says:

    Anyone else here that?”

    I here Paul is a moron. I am sure everyone else has heered that too.

  350. Tgca says:

    I’m not a kale guy.
    I’m an arugula guy!

    Have you guys seen the price of Arugula at Whole Foods these days?

  351. Tgca says:

    ..and I’m also sick in bed with a slight fever, chills, and a burning throat and a broken furnace that can’t be repaired until Tues. So go ahead and F*CK with me today. Just you try!

  352. Tina says:

    Only 10,000 attend the anti Semitic, pu$$y March.

    Jebots are having a terrible Friday and Saturday.

  353. jason says:

    The word is that Trump will make an offer to open Government for $1 billion in wall funding this afternoon.”

    Poor Paul, it must horrible to be that addicted to fake news.

    The Dem already offered more than that.

    “Democratic leaders plan to offer President Trump $1.3 billion in funding for a border fence when they meet Tuesday at the White House”

    It’s hard to believe Trump is going to counter offer less than what the Dems already proposed, but I guess in the world of fake news, anything is possible.

  354. jason says:

    Have you guys seen the price of Arugula at Whole Foods these days?”

    I will waste no time checking it out at the Amish Farmer’s Market in Ronks.

  355. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    356. “Trump is expected to propose a extending DACA & TPS protections (BRIDGE Act) in exchange for his $5.7 billion wall demand. I have been proposing this for years, so I am all for this solution.”

    Agree with you. Believe most the voters will as well. The Democratic alternative would be “open borders.” How many more people would this be — 10 million; 50 million? And according to the Democrats everyone who cross into the U.S. should be entitled to Medicaid and other social services. Your talking about additional costs that would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

  356. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    365. “Have you guys seen the price of Arugula at Whole Foods these days?”

    Have not been to Whole Foods in about a decade. If I want to throw away money, will go to a casino — at least would get a good prime rib dinner.

    If you want argula, go to a farmers market. Or better yet, it is easy to grow and more tasty picked fresh out the garden.

  357. Wobbles says:

    What is that suicide hotline number again?

    This is devastating. I believe anything “self styled sex instructors” have to say, in my view only porn stars are more reliable.

    “MOSCOW (AP) — A Belarusian model and self-styled sex instructor who last year claimed to have evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election said Saturday that she apologizes to a Russian tycoon for the claim and won’t say more about the matter.”

  358. jason says:

    Here is my arugula salad recipe.

    Wash a whole colander full of arugula. Set it aside.

    Cook a 16 oz porterhouse rare.

    Eat the steak.

  359. New York City says:

    “Sgree with you. Believe most the voters will as well.”

    An immigration deal is not needed.

    WE ARE WINNING!

  360. lisab says:

    Have you guys seen the price of Arugula at Whole Foods these days?

    ————————-

    “fresh thyme” is so much better than whole foods

  361. jason says:

    G and Robbie will be sad to learn that most of the furloughed federal employees in Alabama place the blame for the shutdown at the hands of Senator Doug Jones(D) and those of his political ilk.”

    The little Marxist turd will be gone, unless of course the AL deadenders want to nominate Roy Moore again.

  362. jason says:

    “And I’m also sick in bed with a slight fever, chills, and a burning throat…”

    Throw out all the ancient grains, quinoa, arugula and alfafa and go get yourself some real food.

    You will feel a lot better.

  363. jason says:

    I always fix myself a huge steak for breakfast, lunch and dinner when I am sick.

    I don’t really feel better afterwards but it reminds me of what I like to do when I feel well.

  364. Chicon says:

    Just finished a 3/4 pound burger with 4 strips of bacon and a handful of Bleu Cheese.

  365. jason says:

    Zzzzzzzz……

    OGDEN, Utah (AP) — U.S. Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah said Friday he supports President Donald Trump’s push for a border wall that has led to a government shutdown and questioned why Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi won’t agree to “another few miles” of barriers on the U.S.-Mexico border.”

    “I don’t understand their position, I really don’t.”

    Let me explain why she won’t agree, scumbag. Because she feels empowered by back stabbing opportunists like you.

    Do you understand now?

  366. jason says:

    “with 4 strips of bacon and a handful of Bleu Cheese”

    Starvation diet?

  367. jason says:

    4 strips of bacon is probably the average number that fall off the pile of bacon on the burger.

  368. jason says:

    A 3/4 lb burger needs at least 10 strips to feel comfortable.

  369. Phil says:

    Agree 100% about Romney. Why should Democrats agree to anything when they are used to the Romneys and Kasichs of the world carrying their water for them.

  370. Wes says:

    Of course Trump did start the shutdown in December and said, “This is on me.” I’m not sure if Romney with his op ed did more damage than Trump when the President gave the Dems the necessary talking points to attack him w

  371. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    CG and Robbie:
    How do you explain this? The linguini-spined Obama’s Iran appeasement policy resulted in the capture and humiliation by Iran of a dozen US Seamen and othe Iranian transgressions.
    With Trump’s spine of steel, you get this:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/01/europe-tiptoes-towards-trumps-iran-policy-reuters-reports/

  372. Messy says:

    355. Snarkey? Yes, untruthful? NEVER. I posted at #350. I’m glad you missed me, however…

  373. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie, Paul and Messy:
    Your comments today were silent about the ersatz Buzzfeed Report that you salivated about yesterday.Why?
    Be strong and show some contrition to the rest of us at HHR.

  374. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #384
    Do you remember the name GOP Brenda Snipes? How about your bogus numbers from a few days ago about Vietnam fatalities after the Paris Peace Accord? And the whopper of all that Ebola caused Democrat losses in the midterms during the Obama Administration? Or the other day when you said that Pelosi was “in the air” to Brussels after Trump’s snub?
    You have posted dozens of falsehoods on HHR.

  375. jason says:

    ’m not sure if Romney with his op ed did more damage than Trump when the President gave the Dems the necessary talking points to attack him with”

    I don’t really have an opinion on how much “damage” Romney did to Trump beyond empowering Pelosi and the MSM.

    My criticism of Romney is that the op-ed was a gratuitous and opportunistic personal attack full of regurgitated MSM talking points that made it obvious he was trying to ingratiate himself to the media. In my opinion it was a publicity stunt that put his ego first and the country second.

    That Trump gives the MSM plenty of ammunition to attack him with is not really under dispute.

  376. Wes says:

    In anticipation of a likely special election here in NC-9, Liz Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand are making fundraising appeals for Dan MacReady.

    In 2014 and 2016, Warren sojourned here to NC to campaign for Kay Hagan and Deborah Ross respectively. Both Hagan and Ross subsequently lost.

    Oh, please, Liz! I’m begging you to come to NC so the GOP can be sure to hold this seat.

    If you’re interested, Sheeple, Tink has expressed an interest in working for Harris again once the NCBOE calls for what now looks like an inevitable special election. Her problem seems to be with Trump in particular—not with Republicans in general.

  377. Wes says:

    Sheeple has Messy the Moron’s greatest hits down to a science.

  378. Tina says:

    The drats objected to trumps new proposal even before seeeing the details.

    This new proposal seems reasonable, however.

  379. jason says:

    You have posted dozens of falsehoods on HHR.”

    I think you should be fair.

    Messy is the most ignorant poster here by far, so it is possible the falsehoods are just due to ignorance and lack of comprehension rather than intentional lies.

    This not someone who any capacity of discernment.

    My problem with Messy is not so much that she is ignorant, it happens, but that she makes no effort at improvement.

  380. jason says:

    This someone who started happy hour a little early.

  381. Paul says:

    Trump’s new proposal is a total nothing. I guess things will remain in stalemate for another month until Trump gives in.

  382. jason says:

    Another month? I thought Paul said Trump was going to give in weeks ago.

    And I guess the troll was wrong about Trump caving for $1 billion.

    Oh well, another lie is just around the corner, I am sure.

  383. jason says:

    How would you pronounce this name?

    “Hyo Suk George lived legally in the United States for nearly 20 years before she voted in her first election, coaxed to cast her ballot by an enthusiastic town council member at church.

    To register, she presented a green card, Social Security number and driver’s license — proof enough for the elections officials in Columbus County — then voted in 2008, 2010 and 2016.

    But on Thursday, George, 70, faced charges of illegal voting from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, for which she might have spent six months in prison. Instead, U.S. District Court Judge Terrence Boyle chastised the elections board in Whiteville, letting George go with a $100 fine.

    “So they see a green card and say, ‘That’s OK’ because they don’t know what they’re doing,” said Boyle, chief judge of the eastern district of North Carolina. “They ought to be a little smarter than that.

  384. jason says:

    Fortunately they didn’t name her Xi.

  385. Tina says:

    Nick Short Retweeted
    Nick Short
    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    ·
    2h
    Rough week for Adam Schiff… humiliated when Trump cancelled his junket, Buzzfeed story imploded within hours of him touting it, and the Bruce Ohr transcript blew a gigantic hole in his fraudulent memo.

  386. Tina says:

    Ann Coulter is flipping out claiming that trump offered DACA amnesty.

    She. Is wrong and stupid. I always despised her.

    That is a 3 year work program, not blanket amnesty,

    I actually like some of piglosis proposals too, the ones she tweeted out.

  387. lisab says:

    imagine you were one of the trolls

    and you wake up every morning hoping something bad has happened to the country

    so you can criticize trump

    otherwise you have to make up stuff, and that is harder

  388. Chicon says:

    Seems like a good proposal to me. Curious to see what part the “true conservatives” on the board find objectionable. Other than that it was proposed by Dr. Evil himself.

  389. dblaikie says:

    If anyone thinks that the dems were going to accept Trump’s proposal then I have some jungle to sell you in Nevada. Once again Trump is slowly, steadily, gaining the upper hand. Why? Because he is the only one offering proposals and the dems are the ones who are not offering anything but saying no. I predict that the President will keep putting up proposals until all of sudden the truth sinks in to Chuck and Nancy that they are ones being blamed.

  390. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The trolls seem to be taking the day off today, and only are making a token appearance. Here is a video link that will provide the board’s daily dose of doom that the trolls usually provide:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpIturu6NQY

  391. Tina says:

    Well, the drats managed to make Romney, Rubio, and Granite upset.

  392. jason says:

    That’s what the trolls and Jebbots live for.

    Something to trash Trump with.

    Of course, the Jebbots are too stupid to realize that if Jeb was President, the same trolls would be here accusing him of killing babies, starving children, and destroying the planet.

  393. jason says:

    I hope Tgca survives, although it will be difficult on a diet of desiccated Himalayan bark mixed with Siberian tundra lichen extract.

  394. lisab says:

    If anyone thinks that the dems were going to accept Trump’s proposal then I have some jungle to sell you in Nevada.
    ———————–

    the problem is the dems see trump’s offer as the base point

    they will want daca plus 25 million + full welfare

    for two miles of picket fencing

  395. jason says:

    imagine you were one of the trolls

    and you wake up every morning hoping something bad has happened to the country”

    Yep… pretty sad.

  396. dblaikie says:

    Tina my point is that in this battle Trump has turned the tables. He is now the one who seems reasonable — who wants to compromise. As long as the dems offer no counter proposal the situation keeps getting worse for them. Little Nancy with her “immoral” statements has backed them into a corner. Even dems like Steny Hower are starting to have doubts.

  397. ssq says:

    I have some jungle to sell you in Nevada”

    I am not interested.

    The Nevada jungles are full of casinos, and we know that gambling is a sin.

  398. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    406. lisab, is this the Nevada jungle your selling?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYlXUxRa5c4

  399. jason says:

    Actually the worm on the wall has been turning for awhile now, you can see it in the polls that show much more support for the wall than before even if it doesn’t show in support for Trump himself.

    And again the Dems might be making a mistake looking at national poll numbers on the wall. The numbers are skewed by strong opposition in lot of urban areas where the Dems have a lock on the vote, SF, LA, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Seattle, Detroit, etc., but that 43% supporting a wall translates into much stronger support in other areas that both parties are competing for.

    They made that mistake when they looked at national poll numbers showing Hillary leading by 4-5 points and thought the election was over.

    In addition, there are a lot of people like me that don’t support a physical wall for the entire border, but certainly don’t support the Dems position of open borders either (and puhhhhlease, don’t tell me Dems oppose open borders).

  400. jason says:

    406. lisab, is this the Nevada jungle your selling?”

    Wow, lisab jumped on that opportunity fast, no soon dblaikie starts selling jungles in Nevada she joined in?

  401. jason says:

    I would have thought by now lisab would have started selling organic moose droppings as a health food to Tgca.

  402. Tina says:

    Db, I agree actually,

  403. Tina says:

    Quote Tweet
    Senator Mitt Romney
    @SenatorRomney
    .@POTUS has put forth a reasonable, good faith proposal that will reopen the government and help secure the border. I look forward to voting for it and will work to encourage my Republican and Democratic colleagues to do the same.

  404. jason says:

    Maybe Mitch took Mitt aside and said “let me give you a word of advice, the MSM is not really your friend”.

  405. jason says:

    Ivanka Trump Cuts Asking Rent for Manhattan Condo to $13,000″

    I might be able to come up with $650, so if we get another 19 people here at HHR we could time share it.

    I hope the doorman will be able to walk my llama in Central Park, but I guess I could hire a llama walker if necessary.

  406. lisab says:

    i am not buying nevada jungle

    i just think any “deal” that trump proposes the dems will take as the beginning of negotiations

    not the final point,

    and will demand 1000 times more concessions while giving 1/1000th of what trump has proposed

  407. bio mom says:

    398

    Ann Coulter hurts her own agenda. She is so extreme she turns off reasonable debate. Anyone on the fence will move to a he other side. Please be silent Ann and allow this awful situation to be resolved reasonably.

    Full disclosure, I have a very close family member with three children who is furloughed due to a he shutdown. He is a staunch Republican.

  408. jason says:

    Republicans save the 2nd Amendment in VA, but for how long.

    Elections have consequences.

    “Maryland-style gun control isn’t coming to Virginia this year, as expected. The core of the Virginia Democratic push for gun control ended this week when the Republican majority in the state legislature killed a dozen anti-gun bills in committee. Some of the worst proposed, like the one-gun-a-month bill, universal background checks, and the ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds were defeated in committee. Keep in mind, the 10-round limit was also going to be the basis for a new assault weapons ban, any firearm with a magazine that holds more than ten rounds would’ve been banned, and there was no grandfather clause (via Richmond Times-Dispatch):

    A Republican-led subcommittee in the Virginia House of Delegates voted down more than a dozen Democratic gun control bills Thursday, including a red-flag proposal endorsed by President Donald Trump’s school safety committee.

    In a packed hearing room, Republicans on a House Militia, Police and Public Safety subcommittee used their 4-2 majority to methodically defeat the gun bills over the course of more than two hours.

    Among the other bills voted down were proposals to let localities ban guns in libraries and government buildings, ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, require universal background checks for gun buyers, restore the state’s former one-handgun-a-month policy, and let localities ban guns at permitted events to avoid a repeat of the chaotic white nationalist rally in Charlottesville during the summer of 2017.

    This was expected. As long as the VA GOP controls the House of Delegates, the most egregious of liberal policies, with the exception of the Medicaid expansion (that was a horrible cave) will be killed. We only have a two-seat majority, however, gone are the days when Republicans had a solid supermajority, controlling 66 of the 100 seats. Republicans hold a two-seat majority in the state Senate as well. Now, it’s onto the next wave of legislative elections, and I’m not confident, given the blue direction of the Old Dominion, that the GOP will be able to hold the line. You can pretty much bank that Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam will continue to lay down the groundwork for Maryland-style gun control throughout his term. And given the depleted candidate bench the VA GOP has in the state, along with their inability to stop mucking things up, it’s very likely that a Democrat will win the 2021 gubernatorial election; Northam is barred from running consecutive terms. In the long run, some of these anti-gun proposals, whether it is background checks, which will lead to a registry or magazine bans, will become law within the next few years. It’s the product of losing statewide races over the past ten years. Elections matter and they have consequences. This isn’t over. We won round one, which I expected, but can we win the next several rounds? Not with Democrats controlling Richmond and the governor’s mansion”

  409. jason says:

    Coulter has made a fortune selling books to deadenders.

    She has no incentive to change as long as the books sell.

  410. Wes says:

    This time next year, Dems will control both houses of the VA Legislature for the first time since Clinton was President. They will then pass the gun-control bills for Northam to sign. Liberalism marches on in the Old Dominion.

  411. Scooterboy says:

    It’s so cold here in Illinois, Mike Madigan has his hands in his own pockets for once.

  412. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    416. “Maybe Mitch took Mitt aside and said “let me give you a word of advice, the MSM is not really your friend”.”

    There was a strong adverse reaction even in Utah to his newspaper editorial. Believe he realized it was a mistake, and needs to stop his self-righteous freelancing. Utahns expect him to be more of a team player.

  413. Bitterlaw says:

    I think Romney should say “Trump is scum” just before he votes for GOP proposals.

  414. Tina says:

    Mitchie will take up the trump plan this coming week.

  415. Cash Cow TM says:

    Honk.

  416. Tina says:

    Donna Brazile
    ?
    @donnabrazile
    #MadamSpeaker today#PresidentPelosi shortly thereafter#MLKWeekend is underway

    Keep Hope Alive!

    The vote rigger needs a civic lesson.

  417. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    425. “I think Romney should say “Trump is scum” just before he votes for GOP proposals.”

    Then Newt Gringrich should respond by calling Romney a “vulture capitalist.” Let’s not forget Newt’s attack on how Romney made his money:

    “Look, I’m for capitalism,” Gingrich said on NBC’s “Today” show. “But if somebody comes in, takes all the money out of your company and then leaves you bankrupt while they go off with millions, that’s not traditional capitalism.”

    I think Newt’s attack was unfair; but at the same time believe that Romney needs to stop pretending he is the spokesperson for the angelic host.

  418. Tgca says:

    After 18 hours in bed with a fever and having delirious dreams, mostly about numbers floating around the room and objects of various shapes and sizes spinning about, it seems the fever has broken. My throat is on fire, especially when I cough. I’ve been sucking NyQuil and DayQuil down like it’s water. Put some Vick’s on my neck and chest and nostrils. I love that chit!

    Jason, if I thought eating meat would make me feel better, I would rip apart a baby calf with my teeth and ask for forgiveness later. Unfortunately, I have no appetite and the thought of food is nauseating so I’m just drinking water and hot green tea at this point.

  419. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    12h
    BuzzFeed and now the MAGA hat kids.

    Two left wing MSM stories #FakeNews stories debunked in as many days.

    It’s a bad week for the phony media elites.

    Not good days for the jebots.

  420. jason says:

    I think Romney should say “Trump is scum” just before he votes for GOP proposals.”

    He should say “I am scum” and then vote for GOP proposals.

  421. Tgca says:

    It sounds like our friend Jason has had it with Romey’s Grandstanding.

  422. janz says:

    Scott Adams has done a pod cast on debunking the Covington Catholic School boys event. New footage, displaying a fuller context of the interaction between the black Israelites and Omaha Elder, shines a new light on it, that 100% differs from CNN’s version.

    Anti gay, racist slurs and antagonistic behavior was the calling card of those who CNN made out to be the victims of boys donning red hats. The extra footage, though, shows the high ground was actually taken by the kids. However, the MSM, by condoning off and running only a selective piece of video, managed to exploit these teens, making them appear to be the bad guys in order to further propaganda aimed at discrediting the Right To Life march ( which is what the school boys were attending) as well as anyone having anything to do with Trump (red hats). IOW, the MSM’s fraudulent news served a twofold purpose of public deception.

  423. jason says:

    here was a strong adverse reaction even in Utah to his newspaper editorial. Believe he realized it was a mistake, and needs to stop his self-righteous freelancing. Utahns expect him to be more of a team player.”

    Hopefully he has learned the lesson that the MSM is not his friend, and his gratuitous “me too” personal attacks on Trump to ingratiate himself with them only empower the Democrats.

    He should know that as soon as they don’t find him useful in their anti-Trump crusade, he will go back to being a baby killing dog torturer.

  424. jason says:

    It sounds like our friend Jason has had it with Romey’s Grandstanding.”

    I have. I should know better than being disappointed with politicians. I spent a lot of time defending Romney here from scurrilous attacks like the ones Amoral Scumbag levied against him, and from nonsense like he invented Obamacare.

    Nobody matched my enthusiasm for Romney in the 2012 campaign here except Corey. I supported his run for the Senate and derided the deadenders than didn’t think he was conservative enough for Utah.

    But now I think he is an opportunist who values MSM adulation more than his party or the interests of the country.

  425. lisab says:

    2010 you must pass the bill before you know what is in it

    2019 dems will reject the deal before you find out what is in it

  426. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    436. Totally agree with Jason. I strongly supported Romney in 2012. Have spent a lot of my life in Utah, and share his religious background. He did an amazing job of saving the Utah Olympics after a scandal.

    But even in Utah he makes people uncomfortable; he preens a lot and at times comes across as self-righteous. A lot of Utahns look upon him as an Eastern. In his Senate bid he had to travel around the state trying to prove he was a Utahn. He campaigned on having “Utah values.”

    It was completely inappropriate for him to have written the editorial in the Washington Post. Think he is now realizing he is now alone in his dugout. Romney needs to realize he is not the third senator from Massachusetts.

  427. Bitterlaw says:

    Go Rams. I hate the Saints. After I was told by the sports media that I had to want them to win a Super Bowl because George Bush drowned their wand, I turned against them forever.

    Go Chiefs. The Patriots don’t need any more trophies.

  428. Bitterlaw says:

    I would like to meet Romney. I would run into traffic just to avoid shaking Trump’s hand. Still, I am glad Trump beat Hillary.

  429. Tina says:

    It is clear that the veteran Indian and his group went over to the kids, lined up,waiting for the return school bus. They also were lined up,doing school cheers, The vet got into the space of the kid, who seeemed respectable.

    In another video, he is telling his friends not to,argue with the other Native American, who made racial statements that the white boys needed to go back to europe.

  430. Bitterlaw says:

    Jimmy Buffet sings the National Anthem at the NFC Championship game. Pretty cool

  431. jason says:

    Not interested in shaking hands with Romney or Trump. However, would love to be invited for tea at Trump Tower with Melania and get a tour of their apartment. I have been to the WH a couple times, obviously not to the living quarters.

    I have shaken the hand of 3 Presidents, GHWB, GWB and Gerald Ford. GWB was in Hershey, PA, of all places, about 6 years ago.

  432. jason says:

    Smercomish off the MSM reservation?

    Though he was disappointed in the story’s impact on media credibility, Smerconish said readers should have known better than to trust it.

    “Too many threw their street smarts to the wind and cast their lot with this incredible story about the president,” he said on his Saturday broadcast. “No amount of wishful thinking should ever trump evidentiary analysis and critical thinking, but that’s what happened.”

    A key paragraph, he pointed out, asserted that Mueller’s team learned about the president’s directive “through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”d

    Furthering his point, Smerconish noted a discrepancy between the accounts of the two reporters who worked on the story. One, Anthony Cormier, told CNN he had not seen the documentation with his own eyes, while the other, Jason Leopold, claimed he had.

    ?That’s when everybody’s BS alarm should’ve been blinking red,” Smerconish said. “It didn’t pass the smell test!”

  433. Wobbles says:

    Who is this Smercomish guy calling a dumbass?

  434. jason says:

    Rooting for Saints.

    I have no preference between the Cheatriots and the Chiefs.

    Put a gun to my head I say the Cheatriots win.

    Whichever wins will hopefully lose to the Saints.

  435. jason says:

    t was completely inappropriate for him to have written the editorial in the Washington Post.”

    It certainly was. He could have voiced his concerns privately with Trump. He could have disagreed with specific items of Trump’s agenda through speeches in the Senate.

    But to write that piece of self serving garbage just to ingratiate himself to the media (preening is a good word) and empower the Democrats was pretty sickening.

  436. Cash Cow TM says:

    Honk.

    Nothing to report here.

    Other than all the federal workers are starving and selling off their kids.

  437. jason says:

    Clearest pass interference I ever saw, would have ended game, Saints got royally screwed.

  438. lisab says:

    “I am so stressed about what I could have done differently,” according to “FBI Attorney 2.”

    The employee responded: “Don’t stress. None of that mattered.”

    But the attorney still lamented that the FBI’s probe of Clinton using a personal email server likely tipped the election.

    “I don’t know. We broke the momentum,” the attorney wrote.

    The other chatty fed answered: “That is not so.”

    The employee went on to write that Clinton and Trump supporters were always going to vote for their candidates, regardless of how the FBI investigated the former secretary of state’s email habits.

    “All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out,” the employee wrote.

    “Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”

  439. jason says:

    Officials beat Saints, go to Superbowl!

  440. lisab says:

    Kathy Griffin Calls for Doxxing High School Kids: ‘I Want NAMES, Shame Them’

  441. jason says:

    Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing.”

    There you have it.

    The threat to the Democrats is that Republicans are going to grant jobs to people the Dems want to be doing nothing so they can get free stuff and keep voting Democrat, while at the same time being despised by the Democrats.

  442. lisab says:

    Rep. John Yarmuth
    ?
    Verified account

    @RepJohnYarmuth
    9h9 hours ago
    More Rep. John Yarmuth Retweeted Courier Journal
    I am calling for a total and complete shutdown of teenagers wearing MAGA hats until we can figure out what is going on. They seem to be poisoning young minds.

  443. lisab says:

    Who Could Ever Disrespect American Indians? That’s Disgusting! — elizabeth warren

  444. jason says:

    Fauxcahontas respects Indians by pretending to be one.

  445. jason says:

    Chiefs dodged a bullet in the first half.

    Cheatriots might be sorry they threw away the chance to be up 21-0.

  446. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    452. The claims against the students have been thoroughly debunked, but that did not prevent CNN from retweeting the story two hours ago.

    “@CNN
    2h2 hours ago
    Video shows a crowd of teenagers wearing ‘Make America Great Again’ hats taunting a Native American elder after Friday’s Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial https://cnn.it/2FKc4lD

    The comments below the false CNN tweet are well worth the read; they blast CNN. Believe the teenage students now have legal counsel, so hopefully some of these lying media outlets are forced to exercise a little decency and retract their hateful bile. Fully expect at least one troll to publish the story again on this board.

  447. jason says:

    The NFL is a joke.

    “Every fan in the stands saw it. Every player on the field probably saw it. Every person watching the game on television saw it. League officials saw it. (NFL has admitted they blew the call – my comment)

    And yet, the refs didn’t see it.

    At a pivotal juncture of the NFC championship between the New Orleans Saints and Los Angeles Rams, the refs swallowed their whistles when Rams cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman hammered Saints receiver Tommylee Lewis just yards from the end zone as Lewis was trying to catch a pass from Drew Brees.”

  448. Tgca says:

    It’s a nice nippy 23 degrees in south Jersey near Philly at the moment. With no operating furnace, I have moved to the carpeted basement where it’s 58 degrees with my space heater. Wearing thermal pants covered by a set of jogging pants, thermal shirt, and a hoodie sweatshirt, accompanied by super thick socks, and buried under 4 blankets.

    Went to urgent care and tested positive for the flu. Body Temp now says 101 but I think it’s more like 100 because it said 101 when I felt much worse earlier. I still feel Iike total chit!

    No appetite. I tried eating a cracker earlier and nearly heaved my guts up.

    It’s going to be a loooong night folks as the temps are expected to get to single digits.

  449. Phil says:

    I didn’t have a horse in that race (Saints-Rams) but how do officials blow that call? Two fouls, pass interference plus the personal foul. Man, that no call was flat out brutal. Terrible.

  450. jason says:

    Horrible non-call, changed the result of the game too.

    Even if you somehow ignore the obvious interference, what about the helmet to helmet?

    Ridiculous.

    Saints fans should be pissed.

  451. Bitterlae says:

    I did not see the play. I was coaching basketball. However, Saints fans are whining bitches. Glad the Saints lost.

  452. jason says:

    You will agree when you see it.

  453. Human Question says:

    Who’s “Bitterlae”?

  454. Bitterlaw says:

    Probably. Still glad the Saints lost. If the Saints were in the Super Bowl, it would have been 2 weeks of stories about Katrina and rebirth and oh, by the way, Trump hates Puerto Rican’s like Bush hated blacks in New Orleans.

  455. jason says:

    The interference call against the Cheatriots was about 5% as obvious as the non-call against the Rams.

  456. jason says:

    Ok… I thought it would be mostly about Jambalaya recipes.

  457. jason says:

    Good call. Edelman did not touch it.

  458. Bitterlaw says:

    KC was screwed because it was not enough to overturn 5he TD. Football gods gave the ball back to KC on the pick.

  459. Tina says:

    Coach Reid “out coached”.

    Things never change.

  460. jason says:

    Good game.

    In fairness to Andy Reid, although he loses a big game again, at home and with arguably a better team, he didn’t do anything really stupid that caused it.

    Bellichik is smarter than Reid and Brady has a lot more experience than Mahones, that was the difference in the game.

  461. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Tg. Reid does not call the defense. If KC did not line up 3 inches offside, the game ends with KC doing kneel downs.

  462. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if the Broncos will sign Nick Foles at QB.

    Jason only mocks Reid because it was his fun activity with MD.

  463. jason says:

    I would love to see Foles at QB for the Broncos. Frankly I would rather have him than Wentz.

    Reid is an idiot. Not my fault MD was right about him. He always finds a way to lose, usually because of some boneheaded decision, although in this game he just got outplayed.

    ONe thing he could have done to try to stop Brady on that last drive was to waste some time on the clock and not give Brady 2 whole minutes. The Chiefs scored on first down right before the 2 minute warning, you almost wonder if Bellichik allowed them to do it. Still, I don’t fault Reid for not doing that, you can outsmart yourself that way and the Chiefs did need a TD.

    The Chiefs had a horrible first half. It’s hard to beat the Cheatriots playing well for half the game.

    Anyone betting against the Cheatriots in the SB? Not me.

  464. jason says:

    KC was screwed because it was not enough to overturn ”

    Hello?

    They showed it from about 6 angles and not one of them showed Edelman touching the ball.

    That should be enough to overturn.

    The bad call against the Chiefs was the roughing the passer when the guy was trying to bat down the ball and never touched Brady’s head at all.

  465. Bitterlaw says:

    I would love to see Foles at QB for the Broncos. Frankly I would rather have him than Wentz.

    Not me. Foles is great for 5-6 games. Not a whole season. I blame him for losing to the Saints. Poor game and no offense after the 1st quarter. He was cut by the Rams and KC. He also missed games for injuries. I love that he won the Super Bowl but I do not know if he is better than 8-8 anymore if he played a full season.

    Of course, he is a devout Christian so he would never be allowed to play in the league or be a Super Bowl MVP. Oh. He was? Never mind.

  466. Cash Cow TM says:

    Three of the people Walt taught with at his school have died from pancreatic cancer. A fourth fellow teacher (retired) at that school is now at a Hospice facility as a result of pancreatic cancer.

    In each case, when diagnosed the doctors told the teachers that pancreatic cancer is very rare, one in a million or two …

  467. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “In each case, when diagnosed the doctors told the teachers that pancreatic cancer is very rare, one in a million or two …”

    I know two or three people who have also died of pancreatic cancer. Question if it is that rare.

  468. Tgca says:

    Hello.

    Hello!

    Hellooooo?

    Anyone want to discuss ABORTION?

  469. Tgca says:

    It’s a nice crispy 12 degrees in the Philly metro area and my basement remains a toasty 58 degrees. All these blankets come in handy where I hardly feel the draft until I stand up. The kitchen upstairs feels like Antarctica so I’m avoiding anything above ground level for now,

    Still got a slight fever and having crazy a$$ dreams. I guess this Is what it feels like to be on acid. I don’t like it!

  470. jason says:

    Three of the people Walt taught with at his school have died from pancreatic cancer. A fourth fellow teacher (retired) at that school is now at a Hospice facility as a result of pancreatic cancer.”

    Walt survived The Great Flood, the Inquisition, the Bubonic Plague, the Civil War, the Titanic and the Holocaust and is worried about pancreatic cancer?

    Zzzzzz…..

  471. jason says:

    Based on Bitter’s fine analysis of Nick Foles above, I guess I will pass on him for the Broncos.

    I didn’t know he was responsible for losing to the Saints.

    The only person here who gets really excited if his team goes 8-8 is Corey.

  472. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca- Sorry to hear that you are dying. Nobody can be fabulous like you.

  473. jason says:

    Tgca’s demise is epic.

    We might have to establish a Tgca Scale for Dying like we have the Maxwell Scale for Goodbyes…

  474. jason says:

    Tgca’s flu is probably the first one in history you can sell the movie rights to.

  475. Bitterlaw says:

    If Tgca does not make it, SDC will be bumped up to HHR Associate Gay expert. Lisab willl remain the greatest expert on gay men.

  476. Tgca says:

    Brghhh! A whopping 10 degrees this lovely AM. Even my dogs did not want to hang in the yard. The fever is gone but my body is sore as heck. I think I just might survive this after all without any heat during this Artic blast. Clearly, I am not in favor with the Gods. Who gets the flu and has their furnace break over the holiday weekend when the temps dip into single digits? Really? Geez!

  477. jason says:

    “The Patriots dominated the stat sheet – 524 yards to 290, 36 first downs to 18, 43 minutes, 59 seconds time of possession to 20:53, 94 plays to 47.”

    I am rooting for the Rams, but those are scary numbers against a good team like KC.

  478. jason says:

    Even my dogs did not want to hang in the yard”

    We know Tgca hates animal products, but even Mitt Romney would not do that to a poor dog.

  479. Tgca says:

    I ain’t dead yet! I will NOT be dethroned as the HHR gay mascot. It ain’t gonna happen.

  480. jason says:

    If Tgca does not make it, SDC will be bumped up to HHR Associate Gay expert. Lisab willl remain the greatest expert on gay men.”

    That is why Bitter was such a successful governor here, he always thinks ahead.

  481. Tgca says:

    My dogs are quite warm and comfy. Thank you very much! My younger one has been hogging the bed all night and allows me the edge of the bed.

  482. Wes says:

    What’s an “Artic” blast?

  483. Wes says:

    It sounds like the name of a new thrash metal band.

  484. Tina says:

    Bill Mitchell
    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    ·
    2h
    This may have been the worst week for #FakeNews ever.
    106
    744
    2.5K

  485. Tgca says:

    495

    …or a new flavored slushy at 7/11.

  486. Tina says:

    Jim Hanson
    @Uncle_Jimbo
    The Left’s narrative is dead
    2 group of adults were harassing the #CovingtonCatholic boys
    & their beloved Native American elder & Vietnam vet
    Turns out to be a lying poseur

  487. Tina says:

    I am sure that the jebots will “find” new fake news soon.

  488. Tina says:

    Dave Levinthal
    Dave Levinthal
    @davelevinthal
    UPDATE: the two teams whose owners each gave $1 million to Donald Trump’s inauguration will play each other in the Super Bowl.

    Paging Fuhrer Mulehead…

  489. dblaikie says:

    Well the far left continues to join the 2020 fray. The newest entry is that soft-spoken gentle lady Camilla Harris. All kidding aside, this election cycle I believe the dems are going to make history in two ways. The first is the sheer number of candidates that are going to enter the race. The second is the weakest field of candidates in memory.

    If Camilla Harris can be considered a top tier candidate, the dems are in big trouble. But oh wait, you may say, “she will be able to deliver California for the dems.” Very true, California is already safe for them. But Camilla has company. Elizabeth is a lock to bring in Mass. to the dem fold. And Kirsten will is a lock to deliver New York. But of course with all of them you can kiss goodbye any hope of gaining Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, or Ohio. And they hurt and not help in gaining Michigan or Pa.

  490. Wes says:

    New thread, ladies, gentlemen, and flu-suffering vegetarians.

  491. Tgca says:

    It sounds misogynistic but Harris, Warren, Gillibrand will turn off many white male voters because all 3 of them are part of the #MeToo movement and not very likeable.

    Men will not forget how Harris politicized Kavanaugh and tried to destroy a man in front of his wife and daughters just to suit her personal ambitions.

    Men will not forget how Gillibrand will sucked up to every woman over man issue since men are all evil pigs, even turning on her own peer senator for political points.

    Men will not forget just how utterly radically left Warren is and the fact she is Native American and white men will not vote for Native American women.

    Besides, these 3 women will have the same problem Hillary had and lose the white female vote. You can’t run a campaign on “white men are evil” and expect to keep white men and any of their loved ones in your party.