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Biden Leads in Two Democratic Primary Polls

Politico and Morning Consult have been doing weekly polls for the Democratic primary race and this week’s edition shows Joe Biden with a 5% lead over Bernie Sanders nationally.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Politico/MC)
Joe Biden 17%
Bernie Sanders 12%
Michael Bloomberg 7%
Beto O’Rourke 4%
Kamala Harris 4%
Elizabeth Warren 3%
Michael Bloomberg 2%
John Kerry 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Julian Castro 1%
Sherrod Brown 1%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Howard Schultz 1%
John Hickenlooper 1%
Tulsi Gabbard 0%
John Delaney 0%
Eric Holder 0%
John Delaney 0%
Jay Inslee 0%
Eric Garcetti 0%
Steve Bullock 0%
Terry McAuliffe 0%

This poll was done January 18-22 among Democratic primary voters. Emerson College has their own primary poll that has some very perplexing numbers among Democratic primary voters.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Emerson)
Joe Biden 45%
Julian Castro 8%
Cory Booker 8%
Michael Bloomberg 7%
Bernie Sanders 5%
Sherrod Brown 4%
Beto O’Rourke 3%
Elizabeth Warren 3%
Kamala Harris 3%
Elizabeth Warren 3%
Tulsi Gabbard 2%
John Delaney 2%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Richard Ojeda 1%

This poll was done January 20-21 among 942 registered Democratic primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 3:02 pm
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1,023 Responses to “Biden Leads in Two Democratic Primary Polls”

  1. Wes says:

    Were I Biden I would run.

  2. CG says:

    The Biden camp late last week tried to get ahead of the story about the situation where Biden’s surviving son left his wife for his brother’s widow.

    I think it’s pretty creepy.

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    2. So what? Is that anybody’s business? I don’t hold Biden responsible for his son’s actions.

  4. Tina says:

    I need to be more open to another candidate, other than Hillary, in 2020.

    Jebot

  5. CG says:

    It’s still something a campaign has to deal with.

    I wouldn’t vote for Biden anyway, but I find it creepy. His son Hunter seems like a total embarrassment.

  6. Tina says:

    Looks like Cohen is not testifying before the House.

    Knee capped by Mulehead.

    Plus Lanny Doofus admired on 1/19 that he had nothing really to offer the drats.

  7. Tina says:

    Biden, prolly dispatched, cnn cuomo to birther Kamala Harris, who was born in Oakland, Ca.

  8. NYCmike says:

    “But it is hypocritical for people to say “ignore the polls. No matter what they say, Trump can definitely win” while at the same time saying “no other Republican can win. Not a chance. Forget about it.””

    -Who are these “people” you speak of?

    Name them.

    otherwise, stop lumping everyone together in your made-up arguments.

    AND, I have answered those questions you posed, and I answered very simply: I have no issue with Trump having to go through a contested primary.

    Have at it.

    Maybe there is another person out there who can raise $150 million and get 4 delegates to show for it.

    You are the only one refusing to vote for the winner of the Republican primary system which you say you believe in.

  9. NYCmike says:

    “His son Hunter seems like a total embarrassment.”

    -Now “CG” will regale us with his expertise in parenting skills……

  10. CG says:

    8, Well, here, primary jason, the captain of the OnlyTrump Brigade.

  11. CG says:

    Yeah, because if Biden is not nominated, Trump and the rest of you guys aren’t going to be talking about his son and how his son was kicked out of the military for drugs, etc.

    SDC is the same person who said that it was fair to hold a Congressional candidate responsible for the actions of his dead grandfather 45 years ago.

  12. NYCmike says:

    CG says:
    January 23, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    I don’t want the country to fail. I want better for my country than the unending shame and disgrace of Donald J. Trump.

    -And Kamala Harris will do that, in your opinion?

  13. NYCmike says:

    “Would be a perfect representation of his Presidency.”…….which is, even from his commode, a YUGE improvement from his predecessor and/or the alternative if he had lost the 2016 election.

  14. Tina says:

    Maduro breaks relations with the US

    Jebots to defend Maduro in 3, 2, 1.

  15. CG says:

    I’ve voted for the winner of “the Republican Primary system” in every election I have ever voted in but one, and I have been on the losing side of many primaries.

    The one I did not and will never vote for is Donald Trump.

    This should hardly be a surprise and I am hardly the only Republican who finds him completely unacceptable.

    You have all claimed that there are various possibilities of nominees that you could never vote for as the Republican nominee even if it meant letting a “socialist” win.

  16. NYCmike says:

    ” Trump and the rest of you guys….”

    -NO WAY that “CG” would ever do something so shameful like THIS!!

    Neither would Romney……which is why he would lose.

  17. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    5. “It’s still something a campaign has to deal with.”

    The campaign should just say “Its no one’s business”. Issue dealt with. Only political gadflies will differ.

  18. CG says:

    12. I would never vote for Kamala Harris, but again, with anyone as President other than Trump, 99.9 of Americans picked at random, I think we would be better off morally.

  19. Tina says:

    We are best off morally with Hillary in 2020.

    Jebots

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    11. “SDC is the same person who said that it was fair to hold a Congressional candidate responsible for the actions of his dead grandfather 45 years ago.”

    Am curious. What are you referring to?

  21. CG says:

    NYCMike has assured us many times that if the choices for President were David Duke (R) vs. Kamala Harris (D), he would do exactly as I would and vote for neither, even if it meant Harris wins.

    So, this should not even be a point of contention at this point.

    To me, Trump is David Duke-Lite.

  22. NYCmike says:

    “You have all claimed that there are various possibilities of nominees that you could never vote for as the Republican nominee even if it meant letting a “socialist” win.”

    -Other than a David Duke or someone like him, where there is no question about his racist attitude, which Republican have I said that I would not vote for, and stand by while the Democratic candidate won?

  23. CG says:

    Campa-Najjar in San Diego. You often brought up who his grandfather was, (who died long before the candidate was born) and said it was a fair game campaign issue.

  24. NYCmike says:

    “To me, Trump is David Duke-Lite.”

    -The MSM said so, and “CG” fell for it.

  25. jason says:

    ertainly nobody thought Trump had a prayer of being nominated in January of 2015 and certainly many people do not think that a nonTrump has a prayer of being nominated as we sit here in January of 2019.

    Yet, the latter happened and those who want to point to Trump’s surprise 2016 win as proof of “anything is possible”, need to not be hypocrites and admit we do not know what might potentially happen.”

    Ahhh…ok

    I agree with Corey that the chances of someone beating Trump to the nomination are about the same as his chances of winning the Presidency in 2015.

    In 2015 I would have put it at 1%.

    If Corey is hanging on a 1% chance Trump will lose the R nomination if he seeks it I will certainly allow that to be possible.

  26. CG says:

    Well, then you agree with me about D. Duke and should completely understand my point.

    jason is the one who had the long lost of Republicans he would never, ever vote for such as Rand Paul, Paul LePage, etc etc.

  27. NYCmike says:

    Of course, the fact that you use such an extreme to prove a point shows what an absolute fraudulent argument you make.

  28. CG says:

    I don’t need the media to see Trump for what he is.

  29. NYCmike says:

    “jason is the one who had the long lost of Republicans he would never, ever vote for such as Rand Paul, Paul LePage, etc etc.”

    -Fine, and I disagree with him about those individuals, as I did about Trump.

    Fortunately, jason has shown he is able to re-evaluate and judge a person on his actual performance in a certain position, as opposed to the historical view he had held.

    YOU, not able to do that.

  30. CG says:

    I judge and evaluate Trump every day.

    He sucks as a President. He sucks as a candidate and he sucks as a human being.

  31. CG says:

    So, if you think my sole vote in the blue state of Illinois matters, then the smart thing to do would be to see that the Republicans find a different candidate.

    If so, we will probably almost certainly vote for the same person in November of 2020.

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    23. The far leftist candidate who lost in San Diego County. I brought up the fact he was the grandson of a Munich terrorist, and was unlikely to be elected. Duncan Hunter made it a campaign issue.

  33. Tina says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 23, 2019 at 3:49 pm
    23. The far leftist candidate who lost in San Diego County. I brought up the fact he was the grandson of a Munich terrorist, and was unlikely to be elected. Duncan Hunter made it a campaign issue.

    This is true.

  34. CG says:

    It was wrong for Duncan Hunter to make it a campaign issue, but you referenced it constantly and said you thought it was fair to bring up.

    If Joe Biden runs for President, the life and behavior of his adult son will be brought up (certainly by DJT if it comes to that) just like any other adult child of a Presidential candidate goes under the microscope.

    I simply expressed my view that a guy leaving his wife to shack up with his dead brother’s widow is creepy in my view. The liberals I have said this to also pushed back on me for feeling that way, so you can share that in common with them.

  35. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t need the media to see Trump for what he is.”

    -If Trump is racist, then so was Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney.

    As well as any future Republican nominee, even if they happen to be a “POC”.

    F*cked up world you live in!

  36. sandiegocitizen says:

    34. I don’t believe I ever said it was “fair” to bring up. Said it was an issue in the campaign.

  37. CG says:

    Absolutely not. I never saw any racism or appeal to racism in any of those names mentioned.

    With Trump, it’s more than apparent, but people like you choose to bury their heads in the sand and people like jason who swore up and down for months and months that Trump was a racist now decides it doesn’t matter.

  38. NYCmike says:

    “It was wrong for Duncan Hunter to make it a campaign issue, but you referenced it constantly and said you thought it was fair to bring up.”

    -Wrong? Why?

    And any campaign official of Reagan’s or Bush’s would have done the same.

    You are ridiculous, and delusional in your hatred for Trump.

  39. CG says:

    If it is ok that a candidate’s long deceased grandfather, whom they never met, was a campaign issue, than it is understandable why the adult son of Joe Biden would be a campaign issue. Not saying it should be or not, but will be.

    And the long-ago membership in the KKK of Donald Trump’s father would have to be fair game too.

  40. NYCmike says:

    “With Trump, it’s more than apparent, but people like you choose to bury their heads in the sand and people like jason who swore up and down for months and months that Trump was a racist now decides it doesn’t matter.”

    -“People like” me watched him for over 40 years, in NYC and Atlantic City for the most part, and saw him treat all people with the same amount of respect, disrespect, indifference, etc no matter there color of belief system.

    And please don’t start with the Central Park kids argument…..

  41. CG says:

    Any decent Republican could have beaten Mr. Campa-Najjar in that district without breaking a sweat and without mentioning their grandfather in some sort of “guilt by association” tactic.

    But Congressman Hunter has been charged as corrupt ( by the DJT Justice Department) and he was desperate. He won, but is also likely to be in federal prison before too long.

  42. Tina says:

    Loon alert.

  43. NYCmike says:

    “And the long-ago membership in the KKK of Donald Trump’s father would have to be fair game too.”

    -JEB!2016 should have tried that angle……it could have resulted in a DOUBLING of his delegate count!

  44. CG says:

    40. So you have established that you don’t care. You are unwilling to acknowledge that appeals to white nationalism and the politics of grievance are the heart of the Trump movement.

    We are different. You have to accept it. I am glad we are.

  45. dblaikie says:

    I get so tired of Never Trumpers. So Cory you would vote for Elizabeth Warren over Donald Trump? How about Camilla Harris? Tell me, do you agree with any of Trump’s policies since you claim to be a Republican? What policies do you disagree with? Or is it that you hate Trump so much you would be willing to bring the stuff and policies that loons like Bernie Sanders would bring to our Country? I get weary of your and others claptrap about your moral superiority in not voting for Trump.

    In my view you can’t have it both ways — claim you are a conservative who believes in limited Government and vote against the candidate who is advocating limited Government. You can’t claim you are advocate a strict constructionist view of interpreting the Constitution and then vote against the candidate who is appointing judges who will do just that. You can’t claim to be against deregulation and then vote against the person who has demonstrated the will to deregulate. I could go on. The truth is that you Never Trumpers are nothing but a bunch hypocrites. CG pound sand!!!

  46. Tina says:

    White nationalism

    Kkk

    All drat talking points, used by Hillary and the kos bots in 2016.

  47. NYCmike says:

    “40. So you have established that you don’t care.”

    -Run with that.

  48. Tina says:

    Kamala Harris is the front runner.

    Cannot wait for her to go against 7-11 Biden,

    Kamala is half Indian subcontinent Asian) and half black American,

  49. NYCmike says:

    dblaikie,

    Be careful….”CG” would NEVER vote FOR those people….he would just be happier if they defeated President Trump in the election.

  50. Tina says:

    Biden should be a shame for sending out cnn cuomo and try bietherig her,

    Disgusting.

  51. Wes says:

    Mikey has already tipped us off to the meme progression on HHR for the next 21 months:

    1) It’s too early. Polls don’t mean anything.

    2) Polls are sampling too many Democrats.

    3) Ignore the polls.

    4) Only Rasmussen is right.

    5) The media are trying to depress Republican turnout with their polls.

    6) I don’t believe the polls.

    7) The polls were wrong in 2016.

    8) The only poll that matters is on Election Day.

    9) Trump proved the polls wrong before.

    10) These polls don’t account for Dem overreach.

    Finally when Biden wins and Trump launches into a meandering nonconsession babbling about fake news and how voters didn’t love him enough, we’ll get this from his supporters as they go full Polaris:

    11) The polls were wrong. The voters just didn’t follow that.

  52. CG says:

    Cory used to be someone else here. My name is actually Corey.

    I have said many times I will not vote for Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris. I do not know why people choose to ignore that. But I will never vote for Donald Trump. You can be assured of that. I disagree with Trump on many many policy matters, especially as they relate to foreign policy, but even if I agreed with him on everything, I cannot ever support him due to his character.

    So, if the Republican Party wants my vote for President, they will find someone else.

    I hope the Trump fans will do what they say and be willing to vote for a nonTrump over a Democrat.

  53. NYCmike says:

    ” Or is it that you hate Trump so much you would be willing to bring the stuff and policies that loons like Bernie Sanders would bring to our Country?”

    -YES, “CG” would be happier the day after.

  54. dblaikie says:

    And by the way don’t through up the racist crap. Until you answer why so many Hispanics are willing to vote for Trump. Or if he is a hater why has delivered policies that have lowered African American Unemployment? And don’t give me any of the tired dishonesty about racism with his immigration policies. I believe in immigration. Personally I wish that we loosen the laws. However the operative word in the above sentence is laws. CG are you a racist for wanting to have a secure border?

    Go ahead and hate Trump. But please quit pretending you care about anything a conservative cares about.

  55. NYCmike says:

    “I have said many times I will not vote for Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris. I do not know why people choose to ignore that.”

    NYCmike says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    dblaikie,

    Be careful….”CG” would NEVER vote FOR those people….he would just be happier if they defeated President Trump in the election.

  56. CG says:

    Again NYC, since you would not vote for David Duke over Bernie Sanders and will be fine with letting Sanders policies “take over”, then you have no room to talk.

    In order to be consistent in criticizing me, you literally would have to say, “yes, I would vote for David Duke or Satan himself if it meant keeping Bernie Sanders out of power.”

    Many would actually say that.

  57. NYCmike says:

    #51 – Wes looks to be upping his fantasy game for the 2020 election.

  58. CG says:

    I don’t see a lot of Hispanics voting for Trump. Clearly, under Trump, this is a huge problem for Republicans.

    But those that vote for him, which is their right, just as it is my right to vote differently than most Jewish-Americans do, also clearly do not care or are willing to overlook Trump’s appeals to racism, white nationalism, which are just a part of his many, many deep character flaws.

  59. NYCmike says:

    David Duke – that is “CG”‘s argument.

    Ridiculous.

    Can’t change that type of belief system.

  60. NYCmike says:

    “Many would actually say that.”

    -You can’t name any, but you KNOW they are out there.

    Can’t change that type of belief system.

    Enjoy.

  61. dblaikie says:

    Wes, don’t want to fight with you. After 2018 I have learned my lesson in dissing all polls (don’t trust them but realize I can’t just pick and choose). But having said that I would be willing to bet you that Trump (if it comes to that) will beat Biden. If that happens you have to buy me a fine bottle of Highland Park Single Malt Scotch (15 year old). If Biden beats Trump I will be deliver to your household whatever beverage you wish of like quality and price. So Wes, my friend, how about.

    Oh and if we make this bet, let’s promise to continue a frank, even brutal, but always respectful dialogue.

  62. CG says:

    Are clergymen allowed to gamble?

    I am just curious if their are rules on that.

  63. dblaikie says:

    Sorry CG but Trump won a greater percentage of the Hispanic vote than Bill Clinton. For all the media talk in 2016 that he was a racist who hated the Mexican people, he still received 29% of the Hispanic vote.

  64. Wes says:

    It’s a bet, DB. I drink Woodbridge Cabernet.

  65. CG says:

    What’s your source on that?

    Clinton was in a three way race though and won 43% of the vote. Can you provide a source?

  66. jason says:

    uary 23, 2019 at 3:43 pm

    “To me, Trump is David Duke-Lite.”

    Trump is not anything like David Duke. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

    But Corey also portrayed Hillary as a moderate consensus building reach across the aisle pragmatist so you can’t trust his judgment.

  67. CG says:

    Here’s what I’m finding

    1992- Clinton 61% of the Hispanic vote

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1992

    1996- Clinton 73% of the Hispanic vote

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1996

    2016- Trump 28% of the Hispanic vote

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

    Do you stand by your claim?

  68. dblaikie says:

    Great Wes, I look forward to the next two years. Highland Park 15 year is about 100 bucks. So if you win I will buy enough Woodbridge to make the bet an even playing field.

  69. CG says:

    I portrayed Hillary as an unprincipled political hack who would put polling numbers ahead of purity.

  70. jason says:

    So, if the Republican Party wants my vote for President, they will find someone else.”

    Translation: I want to punish Trump (who will still be a billionaire) by screwing the country with socialism.

  71. NYCmike says:

    “I portrayed Hillary as an unprincipled political hack who would put polling numbers ahead of purity.”

    -And wanted her to beat Trump…….for the good of the nation and the Republican Party…….

  72. Phil says:

    Corey is from Illinois?

    In that case, who gives a sh*t who he votes for on the presidential ballot. It isn’t like his vote or others like him are going to matter. It’s not worth arguing about.

  73. jason says:

    1996- Clinton 73% of the Hispanic vote

    2016- Trump 28% of the Hispanic vote

    LOL

    Notice the dishonesty.

    He switched the numbers to pretend that Trump didn’t do better than Dole.

  74. NYCmike says:

    Looks like Trump did better than Bush and Dole with hispanics.

  75. CG says:

    I agree Phil.

    The only entity that should care or might care is G-d and if I ever get to meet Him I want to be able to say that I voted against Donald Trump.

  76. dblaikie says:

    Forgive me CG, I meant that the Trump margin of the Hispanic vote against Hillary was better than the margin of both Obama and Clinton. Here is the link from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/hispanic-vote-election-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/93540772/

  77. CG says:

    The claim, as clearly typed by dblaike, is that Trump won a greater percent of the Hispanic vote than Bill Clinton.

    Did he mistype something?

  78. NYCmike says:

    #73 jason,

    “CG” was responding to this:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Sorry CG but Trump won a greater percentage of the Hispanic vote than Bill Clinton.

  79. CG says:

    And with the Hispanic population increasing and with Trump likely to do worse among them in 2020 (especially since there might be someone Hispanic on the Democrat ticket) this will be a big factor in how difficult it will be for Republicans to win in 2020 under Trump.

    Obama was a far better candidate than Hillary and ran a much better campaign. jason will crazily suggest otherwise.

    At the risk of setting Wes off on an irrelevant rant, the GOP definitely did best with the Hispanic vote under GWB and should try to get back to that standard.

  80. dblaikie says:

    CG I get tired of these arguments. So will you be proud to face G-d and why you voted for a Candidate who embraced and defended the freedom to take an unborn life? Again spare me your moral superiority.

  81. CG says:

    It’s widely known that jason has some reading problems.

    He spent hours insisting that a paragraph he read claimed that Quincy Jones was claiming that Michael Jackson had killed JFK, when a third grader, even if initially confused, could have looked at it on second glance and understood what it was saying.

  82. dblaikie says:

    CG again read post 76. I meant a greater margin. And just to remind you I said I was wrong to say vote.

  83. CG says:

    “why you voted for a Candidate who embraced and defended the freedom to take an unborn life?”

    Again, which pro-choice candidate for President have I voted for? None. You keep trying to ignore the fact that I am not voting for Democrats either.

    Trump is the candidate who has paid for abortions and coerced women into having them. That bothers me more than it does you.

  84. CG says:

    dblaike, you made a mistake. It’s ok. Happens to everyone.

  85. dblaikie says:

    I can’t believe that she really did it. Nancy just shut the door on Trump giving the sotu speech at the House. Talk about bad politics and a complete overreach!!! Just when most logical minded people are desperate for these two sides to come together she does this. Trump derangement syndrome is the gift that keeps giving.

  86. NYCmike says:

    “Again, which pro-choice candidate for President have I voted for?”

    -Didn’t you say you would vote for Hogan?

  87. CG says:

    I would vote for Hogan over a Democrat.

    Didn’t you say you would do?

    As of yet, I have never supported anybody other than a Pro-Life candidate for President, primary, general, or write-in.

    I know you were big on Rudy.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is the candidate who has paid for abortions and coerced women into having them. That bothers me more than it does you.”

    -Please clarify:

    Is this a matter of public record, or just assumption on your part?

  89. CG says:

    I’d vote for Hogan over Trump too to be sure.

    If Hogan were nominated, as long as his opponent were not a Pro-Life Democrat, I don’t see any inconsistency.

  90. NYCmike says:

    “Didn’t you say you would do?”

    -Yes.

    BUT, I am NOT the one going around saying things about facing my GOD.

  91. dblaikie says:

    Hate to break this to you, CG, but in the pro life community the decision not to vote for a person who appoints conservative judges and supports pro life policies is to vote against those judges and policies. But don’t believe me, talk to a person you know who is a true pro-life voter.

  92. CG says:

    Well, that’s between you and G-d then. Above my pay grade. I will wish you well, but I wouldn’t want to have to face Him and defend Trump.

  93. CG says:

    Then by that standard, one must vote for David Duke too theoretically.

    Sorry. I would like very much to vote for a Pro-Life Republican in 2020. I do not believe Donald Trump is a Pro-Life Republican.

  94. Tina says:

    I’d vote for Eric Holder over Trump.

    Jebot

  95. Tina says:

    Arrests at Russell Senate Office Building were “highly orchestrated,” officials say
    From CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux

    More sheot show…

  96. NYCmike says:

    “I will wish you well, but I wouldn’t want to have to face Him and defend Trump.”

    -This is Jim Jones type of thinking……..2020 will be VERY interesting if people like me have their optimism rewarded.

    YIKES!

    I wonder if my GOD will hold me responsible if I don’t fly to Illinois that night IF……

  97. Tina says:

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    Ms 13 is a key constituency for the jebots,

  98. Tina says:

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  99. CG says:

    Again, NYC, don’t we have the same G-d or have you left the realm of Judeo-Christianity?

  100. CG says:

    If you have, that’s your right as an American.

  101. CG says:

    Be cautious of those Scientologists though.

    They can really suck someone in… just like Trump did.

  102. dblaikie says:

    CG I recognize a good point when I hear it. Even as a pro-life voter I wouldn’t vote David Duke either. However Donald Trump is not David Duke. I don’t really know about his personal views Trump has been very supportive of pro-life policies in the last two years. That is one big reason why even though I don’t care for his past personal life, I will vote for him over any loon the dems put up.

  103. CG says:

    Again, to me Trump is Duke-Lite.

    Your meter may vary.

    You can at least understand where I am coming from though and respect my conscience.

    The fact that I despise Trump as much as I do and am not willing to strategically vote Democrat just to assure his defeat ought to be something that I am thanked for actually.

  104. Tina says:

    The Associated Press
    ?
    @AP
    President Donald Trump says he will do an “alternative” event after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi blocked him from giving his State of the Union address during the government shutdown. http://apne.ws/iDTti59

    376
    1:13 PM – Jan 23, 2019

    The flat slob on cnn is now upset because the viewing audience will be larger.

  105. Robbie says:

    Winning!

    G. Elliott Morris
    @gelliottmorris

    Trump approval in high-quality phone polls since the shutdown fallout started:

    AP-NORC: 34%
    CBS: 36%
    Pew: 37%
    Gallup: 37%
    CNN: 37%
    Kaiser Family Fndation: 38%
    Quinnipiac: 41%

  106. Phil says:

    LOL

    Pretty sure that whether I did or didn’t vote for Donald Trump is going to be a priority consideration as far as God is concerned. Just a hunch.

  107. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 23, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    “With Trump, it’s more than apparent, but people like you choose to bury their heads in the sand and people like jason who swore up and down for months and months that Trump was a racist now decides it doesn’t matter.”
    -“People like” me watched him for over 40 years, in NYC and Atlantic City for the most part, and saw him treat all people with the same amount of respect, disrespect, indifference, etc no matter there color of belief system.
    And please don’t start with the Central Park kids argument…..

    – Since January 2017, NYCmike has had one strategy. “Must protect the Trump.”

  108. CG says:

    Ok. I’m not going to take any chances.

    My status as a Die-Hard Cubs fan should also work in my favor.

  109. CG says:

    it’s been this way for NYCMike since January 2015 actually. Let’s not shortchange him.

  110. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:02 pm
    I get so tired of Never Trumpers

    – I feel the same way about sycophant Always Trumpers who ridiculously predicted Republicans would lose fewer than 5 seats in the House in 2018 (they lost 40) and predicted the polls would swing in Trump’s favor over the shutdown because Trump prevented Pelosi from traveling to Afghanistan during the shutdown.

  111. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    Mikey has already tipped us off to the meme progression on HHR for the next 21 months:
    1) It’s too early. Polls don’t mean anything.
    2) Polls are sampling too many Democrats.
    3) Ignore the polls.
    4) Only Rasmussen is right.
    5) The media are trying to depress Republican turnout with their polls.
    6) I don’t believe the polls.
    7) The polls were wrong in 2016.
    8) The only poll that matters is on Election Day.
    9) Trump proved the polls wrong before.
    10) These polls don’t account for Dem overreach.
    Finally when Biden wins and Trump launches into a meandering nonconsession babbling about fake news and how voters didn’t love him enough, we’ll get this from his supporters as they go full Polaris:
    11) The polls were wrong. The voters just didn’t follow that.

    – This is solid gold, Wes! Well done. Save this because we’re going to see this repeated by the Always Trumpers over the next 22 months.

  112. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:07 pm
    And by the way don’t through up the racist crap. Until you answer why so many Hispanics are willing to vote for Trump.

    – 2016 Exit Polls CNN

    Latinos 66% for Clinton and 28% for Trump.

  113. Waingro says:

    Decent number for Bloomberg in that Politico poll.

  114. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:18 pm
    Sorry CG but Trump won a greater percentage of the Hispanic vote than Bill Clinton. For all the media talk in 2016 that he was a racist who hated the Mexican people, he still received 29% of the Hispanic vote.

    – Fake news. You’re embarrassing yourself.

    1992 Exit Polls

    Hispanics 61% for Bill Clinton 21% for GHWB, and 14% for Perot.

  115. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:32 pm
    Corey is from Illinois?
    In that case, who gives a sh*t who he votes for on the presidential ballot. It isn’t like his vote or others like him are going to matter. It’s not worth arguing about.

    – Writing off voters is Democrat leaning states has done wonders for the Republican Party in California.

  116. Tina says:

    Breaking911
    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    DEVELOPING: White House seeks list of programs that could be cut if shutdown lasts into March – Washington Post
    2:02 PM · Jan 23, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

    No planes for piglosi to use on junkets.

  117. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:37 pm
    CG I get tired of these arguments. So will you be proud to face G-d and why you voted for a Candidate who embraced and defended the freedom to take an unborn life? Again spare me your moral superiority.

    – I get tired of people suggesting appointing conservative judges is a redemptive act for screwing a porn star or screwing a Playboy Playmate while the third wife is pregnant with their only son.

  118. CG says:

    Interesting story in Chicago. As some may know, the longest serving and very powerful Alderman Ed Burke has been indicted (Trump’s former tax lawyer too) and in some serious legal trouble for shaking down a Burger King. He also faces the voters next month.

    It turns out that evidence was gathered because a fellow Chicago Alderman wore a wire. This Alderman, Danny Solis (who is the brother of Patti Solis-Doyle, Hillary’s former campaign manager) is basically going to have to go into the Witness Protection Program now.

  119. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:45 pm
    “Trump is the candidate who has paid for abortions and coerced women into having them. That bothers me more than it does you.”
    -Please clarify:
    Is this a matter of public record, or just assumption on your part?

    – No one sticks their head in the sand when it comes to Trump quite like NYCmike.

  120. CG says:

    If you really think about, the fact that Trump had consensual relations with porn stars and Playmates, as sinful as that might be for a married man, is really nothing compared to the fact that he has bragged that he has sexually assaulted numerous unsuspecting women.

    He’s also the guy who bragged that he liked to walk in on underage beauty contestants when they were undressed because he had the power to do so.

    But that’s ok because of judges and because Don Lemon doesn’t like him….

  121. Tina says:

    Papadope wore a wire too.

  122. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 23, 2019 at 4:47 pm
    Hate to break this to you, CG, but in the pro life community the decision not to vote for a person who appoints conservative judges and supports pro life policies is to vote against those judges and policies. But don’t believe me, talk to a person you know who is a true pro-life voter.

    – Hate to break this to you, dblaikie, but you don’t speak for the pro-life community.

    And you also don’t speak for all Christians, and especially Catholics, when you laughably claim that appointing conservative judges somehow counts as a redemptive act when the person in question has never even admitted he’s done anything wrong or even asked for forgiveness. But you just keep contorting your values to justify your support for Trump.

  123. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    45m
    McConnell now meeting with McCarthy in McCarthy’s office. Subject is unclear

    Prolly need to ask Piglosi to have a vote on the joint resolution.

    It is not up to her to rescind the invitation to the SOTU.

  124. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 23, 2019 at 5:12 pm
    LOL
    Pretty sure that whether I did or didn’t vote for Donald Trump is going to be a priority consideration as far as God is concerned. Just a hunch.

    – This. Suggesting a vote for a candidate is somehow tied to God’s will is just outlandish and pathetic.

  125. Wes says:

    I’m glad I don’t believe in God so I don’t have to worry about a divine being’s thoughts on my position on Trump.

  126. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 23, 2019 at 5:30 pm
    Breaking911
    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    DEVELOPING: White House seeks list of programs that could be cut if shutdown lasts into March – Washington Post
    2:02 PM · Jan 23, 2019 · Twitter Web Client
    No planes for piglosi to use on junkets.

    – What about Melania flying back and forth to Mar-a-Lago to vacation, Tinfoil?

  127. CG says:

    Different faith traditions may approach that differently.

    I can only approach it as a Jew, which is how I was raised, even though I am not very religious in the practicing sense, I’m intent not to take any chances on the matter. This all relates to the concept of “Mitzvot.” I don’t think it should be enough for us to ask for redemption once a year on Yom Kippur and expect to be enshrined in the “Book of Life.”

  128. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 23, 2019 at 5:34 pm
    Papadope wore a wire too.

    – Michael Flynn will never cut a deal with Mueller. There are no Don Jr. emails about the Trump Tower meeting.

  129. Robbie says:

    Eliza Relman
    @eliza_relman

    *42%* of conservatives want Trump to reopen the government without border wall funding, according to our new poll

  130. Scooterboy says:

    Pelosi is making a political miscalculation by denying Trump his State of the Union address at the Capitol.

  131. CG says:

    This seems like there would be such an easy solution if both sides actually wanted one.

    Permanent legalization for DACA and TPS in exchange for the 5.7 billion.

    I think Democrats would take it but Trump can’t offend Ann Coulter any more than he has.

  132. Robbie says:

    We’ve now had 33 days of NYCmike’s greatest political dream, an idiotic government shutdown, and it’s been a total disaster for Trump and Republicans. Of course, I’m assuming NYCmike believes Trump’s approval rating falling into the 30’s and polls showing 67% of the country blames him and Republicans for the shutdown.

  133. CG says:

    This whole SOTU kerfuffle is a complete non-issue to the vast majority of Americans in my view.

    There is nothing to suggest that Trump is “winning” on any of this. Both sides should be viewed unfavorably over their inability to function. Nonetheless, it was Trump who said he wanted the “blame” for shutting the government down. It’s on tape, so there’s not many ways to get around that.

  134. Robbie says:

    Scooterboy says:
    January 23, 2019 at 5:46 pm
    Pelosi is making a political miscalculation by denying Trump his State of the Union address at the Capitol.

    – Last week, I was told Democrats had been outmaneuvered by Sun Tzu Trump and the polls would shift in his favor. Now, not allowing Trump to deliver the SOTU until the government is open is a miscalculation.

    The simple truth is no one but Trump’s hardcore base is listening to him anymore. His Oval Office speech didn’t move the needle and neither did his speech this past weekend.

  135. CG says:

    Let me put it this way.

    There would be far more unhappy Americans next Tuesday night if they found that their favorite prime time tv show was pre-empted for a speech than anybody who is going to be upset over the SOTU being delayed until the shutdown ends.

  136. CG says:

    I am willing to say that his remarks this weekend were at least stylistically a vast improvement over the Oval Office address.

    That was a huge mistake on his part. He looked and sounded horrible that night. (and yes, so did the Democrats)

  137. Tina says:

    Jebot fronting for piglosi.

  138. Robbie says:

    If the polls we’ve seen today showing Trump falling into the mid 30’s are generally correct, then we’re nearing the point where Republicans will cut him loose on the shutdown issue. Trump can’t poll in the mid 30’s and not have lost some portion of his support among Republicans. Right now, Trump is approaching his Charlottesville levels of approval. That’s nuclear winter for the party if it continues.

  139. CG says:

    That is why the talking point went out to talk about the Covington Kids non-stop.

    Anything for a distraction.

  140. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 23, 2019 at 5:58 pm
    Jebot fronting for piglosi.

    – Bless your heart.

  141. Tina says:

    Jordyn Phelps
    @JordynPhelps
    Officials confirm to me that acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney is asking government agencies to provide a list of programs that could be at risk should the partial government shutdown drag on into March and April. First reported by Washington Post.

  142. Robbie says:

    Trump has been in a tailspin since election day 2018. It’s been one self inflicted calamity after another and there’s no reason to believe things will get any better. Trump’s approval rating will eventually find a bottom, but at what level?

    More importantly, anyone who suggests Trump is unbeatable in a primary hasn’t been watching the polling. Trump’s still the favorite, but, if this trend since election day continues, Trump could look far weaker than we think by mid Summer. On the flipside, if he stops tripping over his own clown shoes his approval can climb again.

  143. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 23, 2019 at 6:02 pm
    Dodge,

    – Sweetheart, I have nothing good to say about Pelosi or your orange hero Trump. They’re both awful. So go find a new talking point, sunshine.

  144. NYCmike says:

    “– No one sticks their head in the sand when it comes to Trump quite like NYCmike.”

    -Robbie,

    Again, please clarify:

    Was that statement by “CG” a publicly-known fact, or an assumption?

    Has Trump paid for abortions and coerced women into having them?

  145. Tina says:

    I have been in a tailspin since Hillary did not win.

    Jebot

  146. NYCmike says:

    “it’s been this way for NYCMike since January 2015 actually. Let’s not shortchange him.”

    -So, let’s see……the NY Primary was, I believe, in April of 2016, where I voted for Cruz…..so this is just more of the same making up cr*p from “CG”.

    Par for the course.

  147. NYCmike says:

    ” They’re both awful.”

    -Agreed.

    But one has passed certain policies and chosen specific judges that the other one would never have, which is what normal people usually base their votes on.

  148. Tina says:

    Charlie Daniels
    ?
    @CharlieDaniels
    This will probably be the biggest television audience a state of the union address has ever had and the president can make his case to America without having to look at all the sour faces. Thanks Ms Speaker
    Wonder if the wax people will do the rebuttal again.

    3,530
    1:31 PM – Jan 23, 2019

    Wax people.

  149. NYCmike says:

    “But one has passed certain policies”

    -Excuse me….”passed” is incorrect, SIGNED INTO LAW.

  150. NYCmike says:

    Charlie Daniels – is that a white nationalist dog whistle code word?

  151. NYCmike says:

    “– What about Melania….”

    -The worries of a “true conservative”!

  152. NYCmike says:

    “That is why the talking point went out to talk about the Covington Kids non-stop.”

    -Actually, it is more like Stephanopoulus bringing up contraception in those early debates in 2012.

    They also went after Pence’s wife last week or so for working at a christian school.

    But no way any of this is related…..

  153. Tina says:

    Well, the dratsnare returning to their kkk roots.

    Covington

    Pence wife

    Knights of Columbus,

    No secret, this is the start of the SC fight.

  154. NYCmike says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/14/newsweek_columnist_likens_insufferable_ann_romney_to_hitler_stalin.html

    “I found that phrase, ‘the crown of motherhood’ really kind of creepy.”

    Kinda like Biden’s son to “CG”, but he would NEVER campaign in such a low-handed way!

  155. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    6m
    Blue Dog Democrats write to bipartisan, bicameral ldrs asking for a a “bipartisan, bicameral summit that brings together House and Senate leaders to hold a substantive, transparent discussion on a path forward to reopen the government.”

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    140. “hat is why the talking point went out to talk about the Covington Kids non-stop.

    Anything for a distraction.”

    Oh I see. So your saying the slander of the Covington Catholic boys was a non-issue? It certainly was an important issue for leftists until the real facts came out. We can see through your parroting of leftist talking points.

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    What I chuckle about is the daily posts by the trolls: “Trump is doomed, doomed, doomed”. “It is pre-ordained.” If they truly believed it, they would not be repeating the same mantra every day. If they are trying to convince others on the board, we see through it. There is an entertainment value to interacting with trolls on occasion; but otherwise often ignore them.

  158. CG says:

    A couple of weeks ago, SDC was saying that Trump was hopeless and needed to be defeated in a primary or forced to not run, etc. Now, he’s back in the fold where anyone who criticizes Trump is a “troll.” Maybe that as an imposter a couple weeks ago.

    As for NYCMike, who while he claimed he voted for Cruz and was really for Christie all along, never found anything about Trump that could not be excused from January 2017 onwards, and nothing about Rubio, Kasich, or Bush that did not make them “unacceptable” during the entire period.

    Anyways, as long as NYCMike said that he completely understood why Robert Mueller could be called Fuhrer, he has no reason to be so triggered by my referring to Trump as Duke-Lite.

    The Covington Kids were certainly mistreated by people, mostly in social media, and have received justified vindication as to the facts of the matter.

    The story should be over. They shouldn’t be used as political pawns. Let them live their lives and go to school, not be used as human political shields for the decaying political life of Donald J. Trump.

  159. CG says:

    Sorry, January 2015 in regards to NYCMike and Trump.

    This should actually be viewed as a compliment towards him. Unlike some who had to drastically shift their view on Trump or who nonsensically bounce back and forth on Trump, NYC has truly defended him to the hilt on everything and anything from Day 1

  160. CG says:

    What happened to this person?

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 5:56 pm

    The way it is going, I would be surprised if Trump is still president at the end of 2019. His presidency is rapidly unraveling. There are grounds the Senate could use to remove him. After losing Kelly and Mattis, I see Republican senators turning against him. It is in the interest of the Republicans to get him out as soon as possible.

    Must have been a “troll.”

  161. CG says:

    Robbie (?) says:
    December 20, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    The evidence is clear Trump committed a criminal act by paying off two women to keep them quiet during his campaign. He then subsequently lied about it. Mueller might be able to negotiate a plea bargain with Trump with his resignation as a condition.

    Oh wait, that was San Diego Citizen who said that on 12/20.

    Someone must have “clarified” things for him though since.

  162. Phil says:

    Covington kids? I thought it was the left promising blow jobs to those who would punch them is the face?

  163. CG says:

    He pulled out the Eva Braun card and everything

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 20, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Tina, doesn’t it concern you that all of Trump’s most qualified people, including the Marine generals that advised him, are now all resigning? Are they all bad and Trump is the only virtuous person? Your not Eva Braun, don’t go into the bunker.

  164. CG says:

    “Somebody”: says:
    December 21, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    I am hoping that in 2020 the issue will be if President Pence will run for a full term. Trump has a history of when things get tough in a business situation, walking away from it by filing for bankruptcy. He is volatile enough to someday just resign, or reach some sort of deal with Mueller that will include his resignation.

    A leftist friend sent me this comparison between Trump and Mueller. It is hard to ignore the contrast in personal character.

    Robert S. Mueller III
    -U.S. Marine Corp Veteran
    -Vietnam Veteran
    -Bronze Star
    -Purple Heart
    -Gallantry Cross
    -Combat Action Ribbon
    -National Defense Service Medal
    -Vietnam Service Medal

    Donald Trump

    -5 time draft dodger
    -4 time casino bankrupter
    -3 times adulterer

    Guess which troll posted that?

  165. CG says:

    “The writing is pretty much on the wall. Hopefully Mueller and Trump and work out an agreement that will result in Trump stepping down as president.”

    SanDiegoCitizen
    December 21, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Imposter? Troll? Merely drunk?

  166. Phil says:

    A leftist friend sent you that?

    Shocking.

  167. Tina says:

    Guy Benson
    Guy Benson
    @guypbenson
    ·
    2h
    BREAKING: For second time in two weeks, House Dems (minus 10 defectors) defeat GOP effort to ensure federal workers from closed agencies — including furloughed — would receive their first paychecks of ‘19. Pelosi Inc. voted no. Because they just care so much!

  168. CG says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 22, 2018 at 6:18 pm

    The U.S. was on the way to victory in Syria. The policy, supported by the U.S. military and Trump at the time, was to defeat ISIS militarily with the help of our allies, primarily the Kurds. Then to continue to support the Kurds in Iraq and Syria to keep ISIS from coming back. They provided the armed forces that could have accomplished this goal, and we provide logistical & air support. It contrasted with Obama’s cut and run policy that resulted in the rise of ISIS.

    Trump, without even informing his military advisers, arbitrarily reversed this policy, apparently after talking to Erdogan in Turkey. Erdogen by the way, speaks strongly in favor of the Turkish genocide against Armenian and Assyrian Christians which took place in the early 20th century. He also did not participate in the defeat of ISIS in Iraq, and appeared to be working with then in many instances. He has been hostile to Israel.

    In a vital security matter, Trump exercised shocking poor judgment, and endangered the nation’s security. It am done with him.

    Done with him? They seemingly got back together faster than Rob Kardashian and Black Chynna.

  169. Phil says:

    If Trump resigned how long would it take Robbie to pivot and start on Pence.

    I’d give it 24 hours.

  170. CG says:

    SDC’s leftist friend. It is his post. It’s ok that he has them, being in California after all. By his own admission, he mostly votes for Democrats.

  171. CG says:

    This bender went on for a few days-

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    December 23, 2018 at 3:33 am

    590. Wes, there is no reason to consider the future now since Trump is committing acts of self-immolation in the here and now.

    1. In a couple of months Mueller will release his report, which is going to likely accuse Trump of crimes based on the information obtained from Cohen’s law office. Cohen is apparently in full cooperation with Mueller, so Trump’s former “fixer” is now the star witness against him. He is now, as Trump calls him, a “rat.” As a result, the Democrats are very likely to consider impeachment.

    2. Now Trump, by his rash decision to withdraw from Syria, which he made without consulting with the military, has raised serious doubts among Republican Senators about his competence as president. This follows an election which Democrats turned out in droves, and made major gains in the House. Add the fact that Kelly, Mattis and McGurk are leaving, and Senate Republicans are expressing their discomfort over the recent turn in events, it is not going to take much more for them to seriously consider jettisoning Trump. (But Trump does have Rand Paul’s support). McConnell has issued a statement in support of Mattis, regretting his resignation, and supporting our allies. There is anger in the military.

    I think Trump is mentally buckling under the pressure; and beginning to act irrationally. Making an important militarily decision after talking to the Turkish president, without consulting U.S. military leaders is unprecedented.

    If SDC had an “evil twin”, I’d prefer that one back.

  172. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    2h
    BREAKING: Democrats, including Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez, vote against a GOP effort “to ensure federal workers from closed agencies — including furloughed — would receive their first paychecks of ‘19.” –
    @guypbenson
    (link: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll048.xml) clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll0…

  173. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    2h
    BREAKING: Democrats, including Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez, vote against a GOP effort “to ensure federal workers from closed agencies — including furloughed — would receive their first paychecks of ‘19.” –
    @guypbenson
    (link: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll048.xml) clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll0…

  174. Tina says:

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll048.xml

    All house Rs voted yes to pay federal workers their,first check for 2019.

    Most ds voted no.

  175. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina conveniently forgets that ALL Ds voted yes to pay federal workers just a week or so ago. McTurtle wouldn’t even bring it up for a vote and the Orange Moron said he wouldn’t sign it.

    Just a friendly reminder yall. Tina can continue with her fake news now ..

    #RESIST

  176. Proud Obamacon says:

    Classic Orange playground bully. He’s disinvited and he’s going to show up anyway cuz he’s so tough. Looosah please, you’re a sorry ass moron with the maturity of a 3 year old.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHHH

  177. Proud Obamacon says:

    Just a reminder, Americans still do NOT want the wall. Consult any poll thanks.

    #RESIST

  178. Proud Obamacon says:

    Witness tampering? witness intimidation? Is the LOOOSAH groper trying to get impeached?

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  179. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    175. Actually, CG, I was furious at Trump for abandoning the Kurds. Then someone in the know in San Diego let me know what actually had taken place. Subsequently on the board I admitted I had been in error.

    I still do not like Trump, and did not vote for him. Prior to election night in 2016, I was critical. Still am in a lot of ways, but can also see the benefit of what he has done. This goes against one of your repetitive talking points that all Trump supporters are mesmerized zombies. I readily blasted him when I felt he was in error. And will do so readily again. But at this point, may also well vote for him.
    There are a lot of people out there like me, so don’t automatically assume that Trump will lose in 2020.

  180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    183. My point about trolls on this board repeating the same mantra of anti-Trump talking points on a daily basis remains the same. Often they are direct quotes from the leftist press.
    I may turn against Trump, and attack him on issues and not vote for him — but it is very different from the standard daily drivel from the trolls.

  181. janz says:

    CG (#168) has listed Robert Mueller’s medals several times as an indication of his honor.  However, there are other back stories painting an entirely different picture of the man — one that is far from stellar. 
     
    Coleen Rowley, a retired FBI special agent and division legal counsel, whistle blower, as well as someone named one of Time Magazine’s “Persons of the Year” in 2002 wrote the following about Mueller:
     
    ” Robert Mueller was chosen as Special Counsel not because he has integrity but because he will do what the powerful want him to do. Mueller didn’t speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn’t speak out against torture. He didn’t speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn’t tell the truth about 9/11. He is just ‘their man.’”
     
    Rowley has also written a timely piece on Mueller regarding his current assignment: 
    Comey and Mueller: Russiagate’s Mythical Heroes.

    There is also a more extensive commentary going back in Mueller’s rather sordid career: The Dark Past of Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller — The Bulger Gang, Lockerbie, Anthrax – An Exceptional Failure All Round. Mueller’s handling of the Anthrax case was, IMO, especially “cruel and unprofessional.”   

  182. Tina says:

    Mulehead also caused the gubment losses.

    We had to do several payouts for his abuses.

    See the personae falsely targeted in the anthrax matter,

    He is no saint,

    Though I liked how he knee capped Cohen and Doofus, Lanny.

  183. CG says:

    I was pasting SDC’s listing of the various honors received by Robert Mueller.

    janz cites “The Unz Report.”

    Here is some info on Mr. Unz.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz

    It might partially explain here 2016 “Bilderbergers” comment.

  184. CG says:

    Ron Unz is especially interested in the end of “White America.”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

  185. CG says:

    I cannot get around the filter to paste it, but the Wikipedia article cites a source written by Unz in which he denies the reality of the Holocaust.

    Imagine if bunu had ever said that on here…

    you are a fan of some interesting people janz.

  186. CG says:

    Here’s what the anti-Defamation League has to say about Ron Unz

    https://www.adl.org/news/article/ron-unz-controversial-writer-and-funder-of-anti-israel-activists

    People can make up their own minds, but it’s pretty interesting that janz thought I would read something by Ron Unz and determine that Robert Mueller is a bad American.

  187. CG says:

    It was in Unz’ publication I should say, but written specifically by Colleen Rowley, a far-left recent political candidate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Rowley

  188. CG says:

    One constant of the “Unz Report” seems to be that Israel is a horrible ally for America

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-is-bad-for-america/

  189. Tina says:

    Jeb Bush
    Jeb Bush
    @JebBush
    This is the right call. Thank you, Mr. President.
    Quote Tweet
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    The citizens of Venezuela have suffered for too long at the hands of the illegitimate Maduro regime. Today, I have officially recognized the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaido, as the Interim President of Venezuela. (link: https://twitter.com/vp/status/1088137453268013057) twitter.com/vp/status/1088…
    12:33 PM · Jan 23, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

    With Fat Bush praising Trump, I now must revisit this decision.
    Put in no troops on the ground, Mr. president,

  190. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    12m
    BREAKING: Covington students told by bishop they cannot go into the new part of their school due to large windows. As students left school today, people were taking photos of them –
    @OANN

    If they cannot go to school due to threats, it is time to call in the National Guard.

  191. Bitterlaw says:

    The posters outraged by House Dems efforts to do everything possible to oppose Trump also wished House Republicans had done everything possible to oppose Obama.

    Discuss.

  192. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As all enlightened environmentalists know, former Governor Brown of California lead the world in installing solar and renewable energy in California. This involved a great sacrifice, and even now our power rates in California are 2 to 3 times higher than other states.

    But hosanna…we now have ample renewable energy to power California thanks to the heroic climate crusading Gov.Brown … oh wait..

    “Southern California Gas Co., a natural gas utility, issued a “Dial It Down” alert to customers Monday, asking them to limit natural gas use through Thursday while cold weather strikes.
    SoCal Gas asks customers to voluntarily turn down their thermostats and take shorter showers at various times throughout the winter when natural gas usage spikes. The notices, if heeded, might fend off a gas shortage later and relieves stress from the system.”

    So in a state with the most expensive energy, a mild climate, and having spent billions of dollars on solar, California now has to ration its power.

  193. Tina says:

    I want free solar panels for my n ca homes.

    Can I get that from moonbeams successor?

  194. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    199. Moonbeams successor is already bored with California, and acting like he wants to run for President. The U.S. is not screwed up as badly as California, so he wants less of a challenge.

  195. Tina says:

    Maybe Major Nuissancs stepped on a homeless person, encountered a Jebot with a pink hat, or stepped in doo.

  196. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    200. Bitter you will love your new solar panels. You will love being 100% renewable! Have a lot of candles on hand when its dark at night or there is a cloud cover during the day.

    A major reason for California’s high energy prices is the state has to pay for what is, in effect, two energy systems. The other works when the sun is not shining — its primarily natural gas. (but also includes imported coal power from the Four Corner region).

    Plus, when too much solar is produced mid-day, California ends up giving it away to other states at little or no cost.

  197. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nancy 2
    Groper 0

    This is too easy, hope she won’t get bored whooping Lil toddler Orange’s sorry a$$.

    #RESIST!

  198. lisab says:

    ven though I am not very religious in the practicing sense, — cg says

  199. lisab says:

    even though I am not very religious in the practicing sense, — cg says
    ————————

    now that i believe

  200. Trump says:

    Nancy spanked me today.

  201. lisab says:

    What I chuckle about is the daily posts by the trolls: “Trump is doomed, doomed, doomed”. “It is pre-ordained.” If they truly believed it, they would not be repeating the same mantra every day.
    —————————————

    trump’s chances is strongly correlated with who the dem nominee is and if howard schultz runs as an independent

  202. lisab says:

    “Southern California Gas Co., a natural gas utility, issued a “Dial It Down” alert to customers Monday, asking them to limit natural gas use through Thursday while cold weather strikes.
    SoCal Gas asks customers to voluntarily turn down their thermostats and take shorter showers at various times throughout the winter when natural gas usage spikes. The notices, if heeded, might fend off a gas shortage later and relieves stress from the system.”

    So in a state with the most expensive energy, a mild climate, and having spent billions of dollars on solar, California now has to ration its power.
    ——————————————–

    meanwhile in minnesota … which uses a variety of energy sources, the largest being coal

    i am toasty warm, and pay roughly $45 a month for electricity … and currently i have electric heat 🙂

  203. lisab says:

    coal is just awesome …

  204. sandiegocitizen says:

    208. lisab. What percentage of the vote do you think Howard Schultz would pull if he ran?

  205. lisab says:

    well … enough that the dems are begging him to run as a dem … because of the anti-spoiler laws

    what percent of dems buy starbucks?

    basically, if biden is the nominee, then i think he will get about as many votes as jeb did

    but, if the dem nominee is a radical lefty launching a war against the 1% …

    then i think the billionaires and ceos in the country will push schultz enough to guarantee a dem loss.

    the people with lots of money do NOT want a dem party run by aoc … they support eliminating the middle-class NOT themselves

  206. lisab says:

    if you had $100 million or more

    why would you support the current radical dems?

    hillary sure … she knew who was buttering her bread,

    but they cannot allow a venezuela situation here

  207. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    213. “if you had $100 million or more why would you support the current radical dems?”

    Agree and good point. Under Obama the tech and other very rich were able to safely hid the bulk of their assets overseas, and avoid taxation. It is astonishing how little Google, Apple, Facebook, etc paid in taxes in the U.S.

  208. lisab says:

    because, until now, we have income taxes rather than wealth taxes

    except for property taxes … and trump is in real estate … he is good for the middle class … unlike gates or buffet or bezos he cares about property taxes

    but now … suddenly … aoc and friends are talking billionaires are immoral, and the potential nominees are running left as fast as they can …

    if the dem nominee is a wealth confiscator … you will see twitter, facebook, cnn (which is at&t, msnbc, bezos et al. suddenly think shultz is awesome

    and trump will walk into the white house in 2020

    follow the money

  209. lisab says:

    throughout history there have been many groups of elites who have attempted to use aoc-types to keep in power

    sometimes … they keep aoc-types under their control, and you end up with peronists, and the very rich and the very poor

    and sometimes the aoc types take control, and you end up with a maduro ripping the wealth from the 1%

    if the dems run too far left, i think you will see the media suddenly supporting a moderate dem third party much more than if biden is the nominee

  210. lisab says:

    anderson cooper: trump is a racist pedophile …

    and today in the news aoc is now demanding that all billionaires give half their wealth to undocumented voters

    oh … this just in …

    howard schultz is wonderful, trump isn’t that bad, and maybe we should support israel

  211. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisa’s – The MSM will NEVER report that s Dem is too far left. Even if a Dem said “I support 99% tax rate for white males” in a debate, they would not replay it in the news coverage.

  212. Messy says:

    192. It seems to be primarily antisemitic, with a smattering of racist paleoconservative stuff added in for flavor. I noticed a couple of articles by “Israel Shamir” who’s a Swedish neo-Nazi.

  213. jason says:

    Hey Proud ObamaCON, are you going to Caracas to try to protect your socialist paradise?

    The sh-t is hitting the fan there, the US and many other countries in the hemisphere like Canada, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, and Argentina have recognized the head of the national assembly as the legitimate President.

    Aren’t you prepared to die for the Marxist revolution in Venezuela?

  214. jason says:

    If Trump resigned how long would it take Robbie to pivot and start on Pence.

    I’d give it 24 hours.”

    That long?

    Amoral Scumbag would be here regurgitating MSM attacks on Pence within 30 seconds of Trump’s resignation.

  215. jason says:

    SDC, I could have written this myself…

    “I still do not like Trump, and did not vote for him. Prior to election night in 2016, I was critical. Still am in a lot of ways, but can also see the benefit of what he has done. This goes against one of your repetitive talking points that all Trump supporters are mesmerized zombies. I readily blasted him when I felt he was in error. And will do so readily again. But at this point, may also well vote for him.
    There are a lot of people out there like me, so don’t automatically assume that Trump will lose in 2020.”

  216. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Uh,oh for you trolls and Never Trumpers. It appears that the Democrats have blinked vis-a-vis the wall funding. They have now agreed to the $5.7 billion amount with the caveat that it must all be spent on technology at the southern border.
    So now the negotiation will be about the allocation of the funding.
    I look for $2.5 billion for a physical barrier, $2.5 billion for new technology, border agents, beds etc and $1 billion for humanitarian relief–a $6 billion package.

  217. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Maybe the HHR trolls and Never Trumpers can explain this!

    Initial jobless claims dip below 200,000 for first time since 1969
    8:30a
    New jobless claims filed in states fall to nearly 50-year low of 199,000

    (The above does not include new claims filed by furloughed workers which is reported separately and has reached about 25,500.)(Half Truth Robbie would have omitted this if the shoe was on the other foot.)

  218. Tina says:

    There are no cracks among the Drats.

    Because of muh polls.

    I read it here.

    But actually sheeple, the virtual fence and drones, are useless and a waste of $.

  219. Tina says:

    Looks like the economy may be re accelerating,

    I have never seen so many jobs.

    Also, home sales were flat during December. However, with the new year, in my locale, houses are faking pending or sold quickly w

  220. Wes says:

    I don’t think anyone has said Trump has presided over a poor economy, Sheep. That’s apparent from the fact that Obama is—ridiculously since his policies only hindered economic growth rather than advancing it—trying to take credit for the economic boom. Trump’s penchant for alienating people with unforced errors and infantile Twitter rants negates his ability to hype the economic expansion and get people behind him. That’s been apparent for years now and was a major contributor to the results of last year’s elections.

    If Trump were as savvy a communicator as Reagan or Clinton Dems wouldn’t have any points to attack him on. Unfortunately the author of The Art of the Deal has not grown with the office and has triggered backlash against himself in many areas—most critically the suburbs necessary for his continued electoral success. We saw that in 2017 and again in 2018 despite solid economic growth.

    Doing the same things he’s been doing for years will somehow lead to different results next year though.

    There’s a term for that in the English language.

  221. Tina says:

    NBC News
    @NBCNews
    Opinion | Noah Berlatsky: Covington Catholic kid Nick Sandmann said he was an silent bystander. But his MAGA hat spoke for him. (link: https://nbcnews.to/2FYVGxP) nbcnews.to/2FYVGxP – @NBCNewsTHINK

    It is all about muh hat.

    Sue their arses for libel, if they do not correct by Friday.

    Easy $$$$.

  222. Tina says:

    “Journalists did nothing wrong.”

    – Journalists

  223. Wes says:

    This tracks pretty closely with recent trends and Florida’s electoral results:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000168-7cef-de11-af7d-feff7b080001

    Trump will probably still carry Florida same as North Carolina based on the inertia of the state’s GOP trend. He will have to work for it though, thus having less time and fewer resources for the Midwestern and industrial states he edged Hillary in in 2016. I’d say Michigan is already gone with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on the cusp. That would be game set match.

  224. Wes says:

    I just hope the new Florida Supreme Court will reverse the egregious gerrymander imposed by the old Court. That will help Republicans in their efforts to recapture a majority in the national House of Representatives.

  225. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes #230
    I give you half credit. This D+2 Mason Dixon Poll parallels recent Florida election results, but it is more Trump favorable than recent national polls.
    DeSantis(R) is kicking arse as Governor.
    Lastly, add Ohio to Florida and our State of No. Carolina.

    Florida favorables:(H/T: RRH)

    Trump – 42/45
    DeSantis – 48/17
    Rubio – 44/23
    Scott – 42/38

    Trump job approval – 47/50
    2020 vote – Trump (R) 45 / Gene Ric (D) 46

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000168-7cef-de11-af7d-feff7b080001

  226. Tina says:

    Wes, Sheeple.

    Re Florida, there was a ny times article that you may have seen ( I think it was the times) about Florida, 2020, and their concerns about carrying it.

    There are concerns among ds that the state is trending more Republican and trumps approval rate was higher there,

  227. Wes says:

    Sheep, while I concluded by talking about nationwide results I started off by focusing on Florida. The nation is too polarized for a landslide, but Trump should hang on in the non-industrial states her carried, making it a relatively close election.

  228. jason says:

    is really nothing compared to the fact that he has bragged that he has sexually assaulted numerous unsuspecting women. ”

    Zzzzz….

    Where is the evidence Trump assaulted “numerous women”?

    There is none.

    However, Hillary enabled and empowered a known and admitted sexual predator and who was actually accused of rape by a very credible witness, who was actually impeached and disbarred for lying under oath, but that was never a problem for the Jebots. The fact Hillary has been embroiled in illegal and unethical behavior for decades is no problem for the Jebots. She was a “better person” than Trump who bragged in a private conversation to “grabbing p-sy”. Actually having sex with an intern IN the Oval Office? Zzzzzz.

  229. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #233- Tina
    Yes, I saw that article. There was a similar one about Ohio with the same conclusion.
    My crystal ball shows me that besides the four surprise Rust Belt States carried by The Donald in 2016, the other States other than possibly AZ should go to Trump in 2020.

  230. Tina says:

    Michael Isikoff
    Michael Isikoff
    @Isikoff
    ·
    13m
    Amid the flap over witness intimidation, worth remembering that Cohen’s testimony is already locked in during 70 hours of interviews with Mueller & SDNY. The USG knows what he’s got to say; the only ones who don’t are the Congress and the public.

    Cohen and Doofus were left to testify about innuendo from trump (pre election). On 1/19, Doofus also claimed that Cohen had nothing of value to provide. So, the claim that he was targeted by trump and Giuliani (no evidence) are laughable

  231. Tina says:

    The only thing Guiliani is targeting is probably how many cocktails he drinks and cigars he smokes after 6 pm.

  232. jason says:

    I can’t argue with most of wes’ analysis, he is right about being pessimistic about Trump’s chances in 2020. It is hard to see him carrying PA, WI, and MI which would be key to him winning again.

    As far as Trump’s personality, I think wes is somewhat exaggerating the effects on the electorate. Trump won with the exact same personality, exact same tweets, exact same language that now are supposed to be fatal for him (and I will be the first to admit that I thought they were fatal in 2016 too) It remains to be seeing how many people like Bitter will still vote for him despite his personality. I personally disagree on the attacks on his tweets because I feel he has no choice but to go after the MSM for its partisan, dishonest and biased coverage of him. That a lot of what he says is counter productive there is no argument.

    But as we all know, the time left before the election is an eternity in politics, and there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge. There is Mueller, there is who the Dem will be, there is the economy, there is probably other issues that will come up before then.

    The way I put it, Trump is an underdog for 2020, but still the best underdog the Rs have.

  233. jason says:

    there is other issues?

    Maybe I will join Messy in the remedial literacy program.

  234. jason says:

    Good numbers for Rubio.

    If Trump doesn’t run, I will be supporting him again for President.

    No, I will not support him if he challenges Trump.

  235. Tina says:

    Steve Scalise
    ?
    @SteveScalise
    Need more proof Democrats aren’t taking shutdown negotiations seriously?

    – First they voted again to not pay federal workers during the shutdown
    – Now they’ve canceled votes on Friday & are leaving town before noon on Thursday as federal workers prepare to miss another paycheck

    13K
    3:19 PM – Jan 23, 2019

    Paying the workers while the shutdown continues. This was voted against by piglosi,

  236. jason says:

    I guess Trump agreed to give SOTU speech after shutdown ends.

    It’s actually a good decision. The shutdown would be a huge distraction.

    Whatever the result of the shutdown, Trump will be able to either claim victory or make a good case Dems are for open borders.

  237. dblaikie says:

    I agree with most of your post Jason, except the underdog part. I think his changes are fifty/fifty at worst sixty/forty at best.

  238. Tina says:

    I am not sure why Mitchie is not moving forward with a bill to pay the federal workers while the shutdown continues.

  239. jason says:

    irst they voted again to not pay federal workers during the shutdown
    – Now they’ve canceled votes on Friday & are leaving town before noon on Thursday as federal workers prepare to miss another paycheck”

    As I said yesterday, Dems don’t give a flying f–k about federal employees.

    They are just useful pawns and disposable fodder to be used as props and propaganda tools.

    If they voted to allow them to be paid, they would lose the propaganda tool.

    The ends justify the means.

  240. jason says:

    Many defend Giuliani here.

    I don’t.

    I have long said he has exceeded his expiration date.

  241. Tina says:

    Jason, po said I was lying about this. The Rs voted for it, the ds either voted against, or did not vote.

    I think Mitchie needs to force the issue though.

    Let Schumah filibuster it.

  242. Wes says:

    Jason forgets why Trump won in 2016: He faced a corrupt, unlikable elitist who scarcely campaigned the final week thinking she had the election won and had the stigma of an FBI investigation right before Election Day.

    Those mitigated Trump’s negatives. That perfect storm won’t manifest itself again next year.

  243. Tina says:

    They have agreed to the retroactive pay. This happened to me in 2013.

    However, the house legislation was to make the first 2019 payment now, despite the shutdown,

    This got little press because the media is assisting the drats.

    However, mitchie needs to move forward with the same bill now.

  244. jason says:

    Jason forgets why Trump won in 2016: He faced a corrupt, unlikable elitist who scarcely campaigned the final week thinking she had the election won and had the stigma of an FBI investigation right before Election Day.

    Those mitigated Trump’s negatives. That perfect storm won’t manifest itself again next year.”

    That is a very simplistic view.

    The fact Hillary was viewed as untrustworthy and corrupt and had high negatives certainly didn’t hurt Trump.

    But Trump had high negatives too. He was not viewed as likable. And his campaign was no paragon of fine tuned campaigns either.

    The preponderant reason Trump won was that he was able to persuade a large number of blue collar workers in swing states that there voices would be heard. He swung 200 Obama counties to the R column, many in these states.

    What won the election for Trump was the economic message, put American workers first and attack free trade rhetoric.

    It worked very well in Ohio, Wisconsin, PA, Michigan, Iowa, even MN where Trump almost won. It played less well in much of the South and West where Trump under performed Romney.

    Maybe as you say the Dem will not have Hillary’s baggage in 2020. But we don’t know that yet. May have other baggage.

    I am still not convinced Trump cannot get almost everyone who voted for him to do so again, plus people like me and others here whose doubts about his fitness for office have been resolved, even if we disagree with a lot of his policies. Would that be enough? Maybe not. But it’s too early to say for sure.

  245. dblaikie says:

    Well I see Joe M. is the first dem to support the McConnell bill. I can’t believe what has happened in the last 10 days, my main problem with Trump was that he acted, to many times, like spoiled child. But now compared to a Nancy he seems like the adult in the room.

  246. 249. Jason forgets why Trump won in 2016: He faced a corrupt, unlikable elitist who scarcely campaigned the final week..Those mitigated Trump’s negatives. That perfect storm won’t manifest itself again next year.”

    If this was just about Hillary, then Trump would not have swept the Republican Party primaries, and now have the allegiance of the vast majority of Republican voters.

    Trump represents major social and political change in the U.S. He has swept aside establishment Republicans, who are unable to comprehend why they are suddenly not relevant.
    There is no going back. If Hillary is to blame for Trump’s win in 2016; the antics of the far left, such as with the Covington Catholic boy vilification, might be the blame for Trump surprising people and getting re-elected in 2020.

  247. Tina says:

    55 percent blame trump for shutdown vs 40 percent for Piglosi.

    Rasmussen.

  248. Wes says:

    Absolutely 180° wrong, Jason. Hillary thought she had the election won and went into autopilot mode right before the election. Then the FBI reopened its investigation into her and gave voters concerned about her flagrant violation of national security a renewed reason to oppose her.

    That series of events undermined her candidacy. There have even been stories released since the election detailing how Hillary refused to deploy campaign staffers to critical states to avoid appearing weak. Wisely Trump frenetically barnstormed those states to pick up support, but without Hillary’s sense of entitlement, the FBI investigation, and her refusal to work hard for her votes, Trump’s campaign work ethic wouldn’t have been enough as evidenced by his razor-thin margin in those states.

    Yours is the simplistic view, ignoring as it does the mammoth drawbacks to Hillary’s campaign that enabled Trump to seek out and persuade voters she ignored or downright denigrated.

    Trump will be an unpopular incumbent next year facing an opponent who won’t have her baggage or refusal to work hard to win. As Trump has not changed and will not change and will be the one the election will be a referendum on he will lose.

    To say Trump won because of blue-collar voters is a vacuous analysis of the election–indeed, they were a factor. It doesn’t tell nearly the whole story of the election though by ignoring the host of other critical factors that aided in his win.

  249. Tina says:

    I think Hillary collapsing on the anniversary of 9/11 (jebots kept telling us she was fine); the second debate when the rapist was confronted; and the general cruise control of her campaign and idiotic being off the campaign stage, also hurt her.

  250. Wes says:

    Last I checked, SDC, the Republican primaries aren’t the general election. Trump lost the first contest of the race and benefited from an insanely large field that never coalesced around a single opponent for him.

    He got -40% of the total primary vote in a split field. That’s not some kind of mandate. He won though, so let’s be like Olgerd Vladislav in a Robert Howard short story and sit secure inpast victories while the events leading to downfall are taking place all around us.

  251. Tina says:

    Lindsey Graham
    Lindsey Graham
    @LindseyGrahamSC
    Let’s bury the hatchet and enjoy the next 12 years because they are going to be our last, right?

    Quote Tweet
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @AOC
    According to @LindseyGrahamSC, the President failing to condemn neo-nazis, forcing thousands of federal workers to go to food pantries,& risking all their credit scores is whatever, but not letting the President march down the House Floor until we pay people first is “a new low.” (link: https://twitter.com/kellyo/status/1088192295176994817) twitter.com/kellyo/status/…
    8:03 AM · Jan 24, 2019 · TweetDeck

  252. Tina says:

    Occasional Cortex will now play the poor brown woman, race card.

  253. Messy says:

    226. I’ll bet you half a buck that the Republicans in the senate vote it down.

  254. Tina says:

    Robert Costa
    Robert Costa
    @costareports
    ·
    12m
    Lanny Davis confirms to
    @washingtonpost
    that Cohen has been issued a subpoena by the Senate intelligence committee

  255. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    Do you think the Democrat running in 2020 will receive similar vote totals as 2008 Obama (69.5mil) or like Obama2012/Clinton2016 (65.9/65.8)?

  256. Phil says:

    I’ll chime in. I say a number half way between the two numbers.

    Given that any Democrat will win California by four and a half million votes it’s a foregone conclusion that the Democrats easily win the popular vote. All depends on how things go in the electoral college – namely, Florida, Pa, Michigan, Wisconsin. Tall order asking Trump to draw another inside straight.

  257. jason says:

    The blue collar vote that switched from Obama to Trump was the 800 lb gorilla of the election.

    Much more important than whether Hillary or Trump had high negatives.

    I don’t know what wes is smoking, but to say the election was decided because “Hillary didn’t have enough staffers” or whatever is mother of all simplifications of the election results.

    Just look at all the blue counties in WI, MI and PA that went red, and how many blue collar areas switched from D to R or got a lot redder.

    THAT was the story of 2016.

    And I don’t know how wes knows that the next Dem candidate won’t have any baggage. What if it is Biden, the king of baggage. Sure, the MSM will ignore it, but social media won’t. (having said that, I actually think Biden is a good candidate for the Dems, but don’t tell me he has no baggage).

  258. jason says:

    Hillary had the ground game, the money, the ads, the endorsements, the polls and the pundits and the MSM and she still lost.

    And she lost because big swaths of the rust belt abandoned the Dems in favor of Trump’s (often empty) rhetoric about bringing jobs back and putting America first, etc.

    It wasn’t staff, it wasn’t organization, it wasn’t Comey.

  259. Wes says:

    Probably about 1 million higher than in 2012 and 2016, Mikey. I expect Trump to stay static from 2016 or maybe rise by a half million. Because of all the people he’s turned off, I don’t see how Trump has much upward mobility beyond that.

    At the same time, Obama largely poisoned the well for broad-reaching victories after 2008, thus limiting the traction they can gain in most McCain-Romney-Trump states.

    Dems have pretty much maxed out what they can get in states already heavily favoring them (except CT, where Hillary saw a precipitous drop from Obama’s 2008 and 2012 showings, but they clearly have room to grow in the three industrial/Midwestern states Trump picked off. That’s enough for them to win, and I don’t really see what Trump can do to avert that after becoming anathema in the suburban areas he desperately needs to effect victories there.

  260. Wes says:

    Sure, Jason keep ignoring and rewriting reality. You’re too pigheaded to ever acknowledge when you’re wrong, so I’m done discussing this with you.

    When—not if—Trump loses next year, you’ll be on here with some fact-Free post mortem blaming the results on everyone but the person responsible—Donald John Trump.

  261. jason says:

    Here is why Hillary lost

    Macomb County MI

    2012

    Obama 208,016
    Romney 191,913

    2016

    Trump 224,664
    Clinton 176,317

    Huge swing. Went from Obama +4 to Trump + 11

    That happened all over WI, MI, PA, IA, OH, MN.

  262. Wes says:

    Fox is running for MT-Gov. I wish he had challenged Tester last year. He wouldn’t have had the problems that contributed to Rosendale’s loss:

    https://krtv.com/news/2019/01/24/attorney-general-fox-launches-gubernatorial-bid/

  263. jason says:

    Erie Co PA, as blue collar and as depressed as you can get.

    Went from Obama +16 to Trump +2

    2012

    Obama 68,036
    Romney 49,025

    2016

    Trump 60,069
    Clinton 58,112

    Trump got the blue collar vote in Erie and other PA counties to switch.

    Hillary did as well as Obama in Philly, but Trump wiped out Obama’s 300k lead in the rest of the state in blue collar areas, not Philly burbs.

  264. jason says:

    Tester and Manchin were two that should not have survived.

  265. jason says:

    That is why I laugh when Corey and Amoral Scumbag claim another R would have beaten Hillary.

    Not in a million years would the blue collar vote in these states have switched to Rubio, Kasich, Jeb, Christie….

    The only thing different would be that some of the Rs might have performed better in TX, FL and the rest of south and southwest than Trump, but not enough to make a difference.

  266. Wes says:

    As is typical of him, Jason confuses how and why. I already detailed the multiple reasons those numbers turned out that way. They don’t comport to his analysis though, so he has to resort to posting outcomes as reasons.

    I’ll save my brain cells the trouble of pointing out the flaws in your logic and just start scrolling past your posts, Jason.

  267. NYCmike says:

    h/t Instapundit:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/covington-catholic-students-smear-job-crisis-of-citizenship/

    “The best argument in favor of Trump’s presidency is what Trump’s presidency has taught us about the character of the people who oppose him, and who would be wielding power if he weren’t.”

  268. jason says:

    THat’s fine wes, you can pretend the blue collar vote switch from Obama to Trump didn’t get Trump elected.

    I call it the ostrich syndrome.

  269. jason says:

    Heh…

    Jim Treacher

    Modern journalism is all about deciding which facts the public should know because they might reflect badly on Democrats.”

  270. Bitterlaw says:

    I’m all for a Jason-Wes fight but this one is lame. No profanity or crude insults. You both are just mailing it in.

  271. lisab says:

    Lisa’s – The MSM will NEVER report that s Dem is too far left. Even if a Dem said “I support 99% tax rate for white males” in a debate, they would not replay it in the news coverage.
    ———————————

    true, but the big media companies are owned by billionaires … cnn is owned by at&t

    if the dems go too far

    cnn will get the directive to make the dem nominee lose

  272. Phil says:

    No question the blue collar vote in the rust belt was the difference in 2016. It absolutely got Trump over 270. As I’ve said before, I was completely wrong about Rubio being the stronger candidate. He would have maybe got a higher number of popular votes overall I think, but wouldn’t have carried Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin thus falling short of 270.. I was just plain wrong, and I admit it.

  273. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    Treacher also says – “Modern journalism is all about covering stories……with a pillow……if they might reflect badly on Democrats.”

  274. Dylan says:

    I don’t think any of the mainstream republican candidates have any way to get to 270. Bush barely had that twice. Unless the GOP adopts a non-traditional path to 270, they ain’t gonna get there ever again. VA and CO are totally unreliable. And there is no real guarantee on FL. PA, WI and MI and MN are very very hard to peel off and that includes winning beyond the margin of fraud.

  275. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/ilhan-omar-endorsed-somalias-new-president-four-days-later-omars-brother-in-law-had-a-powerful-job-in-his-administration/

    -This woman is now on the House Foreign Affairs committee.

    Nothing, at all, to worry about.

    Putin gets mentioned….oddly enough, not in conjunction with Trump…….//

  276. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    257. “Trump lost the first contest of the race and benefited from an insanely large field that never coalesced around a single opponent for him.”

    Has any primary candidate gotten over 50% of the vote in a crowded field of candidates? And when a candidate dropped out, often the candidate’s supporters switched to Trump. Your making all sorts of strained arguments that Trump’s victory was accidental and meant nothing. In fact his election, and how well Bernie Sanders did, signaled the end of the old status quo. We are in a new political world, and the past leadership of both parties is under siege. It is happening in other countries as well. The old political order is being pushed out. There is no going back to the Bush/Clinton political world.

  277. Wes says:

    Hm.

    I posted this earlier.

    To say Trump won because of blue-collar voters is a vacuous analysis of the election–indeed, they were a factor. It doesn’t tell nearly the whole story of the election though by ignoring the host of other critical factors that aided in his win.

    Somehow I was pretending Trump didn’t get help from blue-collar voters in his victory. Saying they were a factor equates to saying they played no role now, I guess.

    I swear, I could get a better argument out of Tink’s pet chihuahua.

    It won’t get any better from here, so now I am going to make sure I do a better job of scrolling past Jason’s vapid comments.

  278. CG says:

    The 2018 exit poll show Trump’s Favorable/Unfavorable was 38/60.

    That is hardly an argument that the country was clamoring for him specifically. Only 77 percent of Trump’s voters said they viewed him favorably. He did though receive 95% of the voters who viewed Clinton unfavorably (though I am proud to say I was not among those).

    So, it seems pretty clear this was an anti-Hillary vote and not a pro-Trump vote. Those who did vote for Hillary tended to be more enthusiastic about their vote than those that voted for Trump.

    A huge chunk of Trump voters did as some here have said and saw his name as meaning “Not Hillary” and nothing further than that.

    It seems pretty obvious that a different Republican would have gotten nearly all the same votes (i.e. “Not Hillary) and would have been far better than 38/60 among the entire electorate and thus won a lot of votes that Trump could not get.

  279. CG says:

    Sorry, I am referring to the 2016 exit poll

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

  280. NYCmike says:

    Hillary got almost as many votes in 2016 as Obama got in 2012.

    Trump got like 5% more votes than Romney did in 2012.

    Seems fair to say that Trump did something right.

  281. CG says:

    Eighteen percent of the 2016 electorate found both Clinton and Trump unfavorable and they went to Trump 47-30.

    That accounts for his narrow victory.

    Trump won not because people liked him but because those that disliked him and Hillary held their nose and voted for him.

    I find it hard to believe that against a different Republican, all of those Trump voters, would have found a reason to vote for Hillary.

    Even if you believe that is true, that among Trump, Hillary, and someone like Rubio (or take your pick) that Rubio is the third choice among those people, says that Republicans sure had to sell out conservatism to win.

  282. CG says:

    “Seems fair to say that Trump did something right.”

    He got to run against Hillary in an open race as opposed to against Obama as a Republican.

    You can make up your own mind as to whom was a stronger candidate between Obama and Hillary but I think the answer is pretty self-apparent.

    Turnout is always higher in a race where a new President is chosen than in a race where an incumbent is seeking a second term.

    But I recall NYC, that you were unaware that a midterm election always has lower turnout than a Presidential election.

  283. NYCmike says:

    “It seems pretty obvious that a different Republican would have gotten nearly all the same votes (i.e. “Not Hillary) and would have been far better than 38/60 among the entire electorate and thus won a lot of votes that Trump could not get.”

    -The votes that a “different Republican” NEEDED TO WIN had to come from specific states.

    The improvement (increase or decrease) in margins in TX, CA, NY, VA, CO, etc would have meant a closer POPULAR VOTE, but not necessarily an Electoral College victory.

  284. CG says:

    As opposed to Obama as an “incumbent.”

    I either need to slow down or stop trying to multitask here.

  285. CG says:

    Those votes would have come from all states.

    I think the national evidence can be extrapolated in a way to say that a different Republican would have ran stronger than Trump did across the board and in every or almost every state.

    Republicans other than Trump have won statewide contests in PA, MI, and WI before. They tended to be establishment Republican types. In Michigan specifically, a moderate Republican won it twice as Governor, including once in a near landslide.

    Against a weak Hillary, it was certainly possible.

    And it’s goofy to suggest that Trump did better in Ohio than Kasich, the state’s popular Governor, would have.

  286. NYCmike says:

    “But I recall NYC, that you were unaware that a midterm election always has lower turnout than a Presidential election.”

    -You “recall”?

    MAYBE my memory is bad, but I don’t recall ever making such a statement.

    Show me where I made such a comment which I believe I would never make.

  287. Robbie says:

    So much winning!

    Laurel Rosenhall
    @LaurelRosenhall

    News: Republican Assemblyman Brian Maienschein is becoming a Democrat, multiple sources have told me. That will give Dems a whopping 61 of 80 seats in the CA Assembly. #CAleg #capolitics

  288. Robbie says:

    I see NYCmike is still playing the role of Baghdad Bob for his dear leader, Trump.

  289. NYCmike says:

    2000 election – about 105+ million votes cast.

    2004 election – about 122+ million votes cast.

    “CG” comment:

    “Turnout is always higher in a race where a new President is chosen than in a race where an incumbent is seeking a second term.”

  290. CG says:

    Is there even an anecdotal example to be found of someone saying, “if not for Trump being on the ballot, I would have voted for Hillary.”

    Any?

    You can find a ton of people all over the place who would say that they would have voted Republican for President if the candidate was not Trump.

  291. NYCmike says:

    I can see that Robbie (and “CG”, the person who made the original assertion) never showed proof about Trump paying for abortions, or coercing women to have them.

    It may have happened……why not show the proof?

  292. CG says:

    Turnout is usually higher. Ok, I haven’t checked the numbers, but I will make that qualifier.

    There were obvious differences between why people might have been more motivated to vote in 2004 as compared to 2000.

    The 2012 vote was down a good deal from 2008 and 2016.

  293. NYCmike says:

    #297 – is that directed at someone? Is it referring to another comment?

  294. CG says:

    Trump was asked the question during the campaign about if he ever paid for an abortion.

    He said “that’s a good question” and then refused to answer it. I think that speaks for itself.

    Marla Maples has testified under oath that Trump had asked her to abort their daughter. She did not and they later married.

  295. CG says:

    Anybody who claims that “onlyTrump” would have won in 2016 should be able to present examples of people who would have voted for Hillary if not for Trump being the Republican candidate.

    I’ve never even heard of a single anecdotal example of that.

  296. NYCmike says:

    “The 2012 vote was down a good deal from 2008 and 2016.”

    -Ok.

    And in 2016, as already stated, the Republican candidate’s vote totals went up around 5%, while the Democratic candidate had slightly less than 2012.

    What is your point?

  297. CG says:

    The point is the turnout was higher in 2016 than 2012 so comparing raw numbers is suspect.

    In terms of percentage, the Republican candidate in 2012 got a higher percent of the vote in defeat than the Republican candidate in 2016 received in victory.

    Trump would have easily lost to Obama. Romney would have defeated Hillary.

  298. NYCmike says:

    #301 – Let the record show…….

  299. NYCmike says:

    “Trump would have easily lost to Obama. Romney would have defeated Hillary.”

    -2012 has NEVER been in question about Trump vs Obama. I agree with you.

    BUT, show your work for 2016.

    Where would Romney have defeated Hillary to reach 270?

    In PA, WI, MI?

    Could Romney have even won OH?

  300. CG says:

    I think Michael Cohen, who handled the NDAs will one day be able to provide some greater clarity in regards to Trump paying for abortions.

    A magazine recently claimed that according to Cohen, Trump had agreements with eight women who had abortions in recent years, although I certainly would not claim that is “proof.”

  301. NYCmike says:

    jason gave specific examples up above.

    Where are yours?

  302. CG says:

    I think Romney would have beaten Hillary in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

    To be fair, maybe Hillary would have not been overconfident and ignored those states.

    I think he would have won New Hampshire for sure and better than 50/50 odds in Nevada.

    I think he would have had a good shot at Colorado and if Hillary went with someone other than Kaine, maybe Virginia.

    Not as sure on ME 2.

    Everything else would have been the same.

  303. NYCmike says:

    You brought up abortion because someone said the pro-life voter community supports Trump because of the policies being carried out by his administration…….you think that unsubstantiated rumors shows that to be false.

  304. Robbie says:

    There’s no other way to put it. Trump blinked on the SOTU. Nancy Pelosi stared down the fake tough guy and he cowered. And to a woman no less! Now, the question is whether this is the start of Dear Leader Trump’s walk back on the asinine wall that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are demanding. Probably not, but it may well be the point where we look back and see that Trump’s Republican support in the Senate started to crack.

    A review of the polls this week shows the shutdown has been a disaster for Trump. Despite what one commenter here suggested last week, Trump’s decision to keep Pelosi from traveling to Afghanistan did not change the dynamics of the shutdown fight and turn the polls in Trump’s favor. In fact, the move against Trump has increased.

    The post election period has been a disaster for Trump and the self inflicted crisis he has created seems to get worse and worse. Trump’s standing in the polls will likely rebound once the government reopens, but this episode has shown Trump has lost whatever ability to persuade the public he once had. And heading into a re-election campaign, that should scare the crap out of him and his red hat minions.

    While I still believe Trump is likely to be re-nominated (a stupid move by the party), it definitely appears Trump’s going to get a primary challenge. The question now is just how serious the challenge is. And if his polls numbers don’t improve, he might even get multiple challenges from relatively credible candidates. The party owes no loyalty to a man who has never shown it any.

    Kasich and Hogan are the most likely to challenge him and they may well serve the role Eugene McCarthy played in 1968. But what about Rubio or Haley? Rubio’s got a free shot since he’s not up for re-election again until 2022. Also, why would Haley wait until 2024? Strike while the iron’s hot because it may not be the next time around. Ask Chris Christie. And of course, there’s Romney. He will never have to share the ballot with Trump since he’s not up for re-election until 2024 and it’s very unlikely Utah will hold a challenge to Trump against him.

  305. CG says:

    This is all speculation.

    I believe Trump has paid for women to abort his children. I never claimed to have specific “proof.” I do think he would have answered the question “no” when asked if it was truly no.

    Do you not believe it or are just going to go with “there’s no proof.”

  306. Wes says:

    To be fair, Corey, Trump did pitch his campaign heavily toward disaffected blue-collar voters. They were clearly a help. That said, Hillary would have had the same compromising flaws against another opponent as against Trump.

    While Trump’s blue-collar base may indeed have had mildly less enthusiasm for another Republican than Trump, I don’t buy the assertion they were going to stampede back to Hillary with all her baggage just because Trump wasn’t the nominee.

    Hillary had already failed miserably in a national campaign by assuming victory before it was warranted. She did the same thing against Trump. She was obviously so solipsistic and detached she saw herself as the inevitable President and would have exhibited that same fatal characteristic against another opponent as well.

    In short, the map may have looked different, but any competent Republican at least could have won that race.

  307. CG says:

    I am starting to think that Trump’s only primary challenger will be Maryland Governor Larry Hogan.
    (Michigan Congressman Justin Amash will attempt to become the Libertarian nominee.)

    In regards to Trump and re-nomination, Robert Mueller is more of a factor than anything else.

  308. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    294. So much winning! @LaurelRosenhall

    “News: Republican Assemblyman Brian Maienschein is becoming a Democrat, multiple sources have told me. That will give Dems a whopping 61 of 80 seats in the CA Assembly. #CAleg #capolitics”

    Yes, Robbie it is a great win for Republicans.
    Mainschein was on the San Diego City Council and was responsible for the pension crisis, that got San Diego referred to as “Enron by the Sea.” The Republicans like Mainschein are one of the reasons I am a registered independent.

    “In 2002, Peters and Maienschein voted to continue the city’s six-year-old practice of promising more costly employee pension benefits while cutting funding to the pension system.

    The practice led to a billion-dollar pension deficit, which the city failed to disclose to investors when borrowing money for other purposes.

    A $20 million report commissioned by the city found that Maienschein and Peters, along with six other council members and former Mayor Dick Murphy, were negligent in their disclosure duties.

    Maienschein and Peters now call their votes a mistake and say they’ve led a push to improve city finances.

    “Underfunding is nothing that our council invented,” Peters said. “It started in the ’90s, but we’re the council that stopped it. Now, looking back, we wish we’d stopped it earlier.”

    Maienschein has an additional layer of involvement because he took part in some of the extra benefits.

    One provision allowed workers to pay money to get credit for years they didn’t work, in pension calculations. Maienschein paid nearly $57,000. As a result, when his eight-year council term ends in December, he’ll be credited with 13 years of service.

    Maienschein didn’t return a call for comment.”

    Maienschein and Peters are now Democrats, for which I am sure most Republicans in the city are thankful.

    Robbie, do a little research before you cut and paste. Bad troll, no biscuit.

  309. Wes says:

    Mikey, in contrast to other big industrial states Trump flipped, OH went handily to him by a 51-43 margin. Clearly more than MAGA was at work there. Against Obama—who vastly outspent him in the state and assiduously courted Buckeye voters in 2012–Romney lost the state by only about three.

    It would take some incredibly solid evidence to prove to me Hillary with her poor campaign skills would have beaten Romney or just about any other Republican in OH in 2016.

  310. Robbie says:

    In the Trump era, up is down and a Republican switching to Democrat is a good thing.

  311. NYCmike says:

    “I think Romney would have beaten Hillary in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.”

    -Ok, maybe MI and WI would have been close, but no guarantee for Romney.

    PA, I think the numbers speak to a Romney defeat.

    If you “recall”, Trump was in PA A LOT.

    You seriously think Romney would have contested PA as much as Trump did? And had enough firepower to compete in all of the other states he would have needed to win, if he didn’t get PA?

  312. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:06 pm
    Mikey, in contrast to other big industrial states Trump flipped, OH went handily to him by a 51-43 margin. Clearly more than MAGA was at work there. Against Obama—who vastly outspent him in the state and assiduously courted Buckeye voters in 2012–Romney lost the state by only about three.
    It would take some incredibly solid evidence to prove to me Hillary with her poor campaign skills would have beaten Romney or just about any other Republican in OH in 2016.

    – The idea only Trump could have won in 2016 is one of the greatest lies the MAGA morons continue to tell. Essentially, they’re saying no other Republican could have gotten more than 46% of the national vote against the worst national party candidate since McGovern in 1972. They’re so wrapped up in defending Dear leader they’ve lost sight of reality. Of course, voting for Trump and claiming he’s doing a good job requires suspension of disbelief.

  313. CG says:

    FWIW, I went to a map generator, gave Hillary all of Maine, as well as PA MI AND WI. I gave the Republican NH, and NV, because I think those would have specifically been states where Romney would have run much stronger and the end result was 269-269, even if giving Hillary all of PA, MI, and WI.

    Putting aside the fact that several unfaithful electors went against Hillary in the EV, a 269-269 vote in the House would have elected a Republican President in 2016.

  314. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    517. So Robbie, you dislike Trump because he is causing sleazy and corrupt Republicans to leave the party?

  315. Robbie says:

    Nothing says Trump is invincible like cancelling a primary in order to prevent Trump from gaining a challenger.

    – David M. Drucker
    @DavidMDrucker

    NEW: Kansas GOP likely to skip presidential nominating caucus in 2020 in show of support for @realDonaldTrump; ‘Not as needed when you have one candidate’ https://washex.am/2Hwmh7L @dcexaminer

  316. CG says:

    Romney (or others) would have done far better in the Philly suburbs. MD and his wife, Mrs. Bitterlaw, Michael, various others who did not vote Trump all would have. (who knows about jason?)

    The black vote without Obama on the ballot was going to be down no matter what. I think Trump increased that turnout in urban areas to vote against him more than any other Republican would have.

    So, would some MAGA people in “blue collar” PA have stayed home rather than vote for a Mormon? Maybe some, but not all that many. Is there any evidence they would have voted for Hillary? None that anybody can find.

  317. Wes says:

    Of course Republicans would have been near certain to win the presidency in 2016 even without Trump with a victory in OH, for the GOP is 24-5 in presidential elections when carrying the Buckeye State, the last such result having occurred in 1960.

  318. NYCmike says:

    “It would take some incredibly solid evidence to prove to me Hillary with her poor campaign skills would have beaten Romney or just about any other Republican in OH in 2016.”

    -Agreed.

    I looked at the vote totals for OH, and I agree with your assessment, which is why I didn’t expound on it in my comment #318.

    I am still waiting for “CG”‘s reasoning behind his Romney victory route, as he has NOT shown any numbers which show conclusively that Romney would have defeated Hillary.

    I know I would have helped Romney with his vote totals. Some here don’t abide by the victors in the primary system receiving their vote in the general election.

  319. Robbie says:

    Tom Cotton voted against Trump’s immigration/wall proposal.

  320. NYCmike says:

    Hillary was close to Obama’s PA totals.

    Trump received almost 300K more votes than Romney.

    Again, jason gave specific examples of certain locales up above.

    Do the same.

  321. dylan says:

    I will say this–Pelosi running the House as ABSOLUTE OPPOSITION to Trump is how the GOP should have run the House in 2010-2016 with Obama but Dems are much better staying unified than GOP and are absolutely willing to die on the funding battlefield. It is quite amazing to watch.

  322. CG says:

    If Trump could beat Hillary with having 38/60 favorable. I think Romney could have too (as would Kasich, Rubio, Bush)

    Romney had 47 % favorable as the nominee among the 2012 electorate, a full 9 points higher than Trump.

    And that was against Obama, who was at 53% favorable as opposed to Hillary who was at 44% favorable in 2016, Against Hillary, Romney probably would have been at about 50% favorable or a bit higher.

  323. dylan says:

    I’d really like to know what the national GOP is doing to address “ballot harvesting” in advance of 2020. Without a broad vision of how to combat that and winning OUTSIDE of the margin of fraud, it sure seems bleak.

  324. CG says:

    We can determine that in PA in 2016, people who stayed home in 2012 voted for Trump in 2016.

    One can argue that they would have stayed home again. It is much harder to argue that they would have showed up to vote for Hillary.

    There were more than enough people in PA who switched from Romney to Hillary or for Romney to Neither to make up the difference.

    And PA wouldn’t have been needed theoretically anyway.

  325. Robbie says:

    dylan says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    I will say this–Pelosi running the House as ABSOLUTE OPPOSITION to Trump is how the GOP should have run the House in 2010-2016 with Obama but Dems are much better staying unified than GOP and are absolutely willing to die on the funding battlefield. It is quite amazing to watch.

    – “Vote for us. We’ll threaten to keep the government shutdown for years” isn’t a very appealing campaign slogan.

  326. CG says:

    For all the speculation and what ifs about 2012, 2016, or any election before, those are over now. In the history books.

    The next election is in 2020 and that is what matters. Is Trump the only or strongest Republican in terms of a general election? The evidence clearly points to no.

    Even those who genuinely for whatever reason like Trump, and want to keep Democrats out of the Oval Office, should want their to be additional options/paths moving forward.

  327. Wes says:

    It’s unclear what the national GOP can do about ballot harvesting, Dylan, since it’s a state issue. It’s an issue obviously plaguing the CAGOP but is legal there.

    It’s illegal here in NC. That’s part of the reason Mark Harris hasn’t taken office: Allegations of illegal ballot harvesting have tainted his victory and likely thrown the seat into a special election.

  328. NYCmike says:

    The Romney theoretical victory in 2016 does highlight something which I mentioned before – his political instincts are terrible, and he is NOT willing to really fight.

    2012 – he was, for the most part, the major candidate, and didn’t really have to fight for the nomination.

    2016 – he would have had to clear JEB!2016 out of the way first – does ANYONE here think he could have done that?!?!

  329. Tina says:

    Schumah objected to paying the coast guard today.

    There was a resolution from kennedyn and piglosis dog blocked it,

  330. Wes says:

    Romney didn’t really have to fight for the 2012 nomination, Mikey?

    You must have missed the flavor-of-the-week anti-Romney’s that kept popping up every time one dropped out till none were left.

    For a number of reasons, some legitimate, some ridiculous, Republicans didn’t fully coalesce around Romney till he literally had no serious opponents left. The primaries left Romney in a deep hole for the general election he only briefly crawled out of after the first debate with Obama.

  331. Tina says:

    Quittens is not a counter puncher. Obumbler tagged him with everything, Notice how candy and obumbler double teamed him in 2012. Notice how idiotic his campaign advisors were.

    And we were also killed when Gaffe destroyed the weight lifter,

    Quittens is and was so unpopular in Ohio and Florida.

  332. CG says:

    Romney had far more dead-ender opposition in 2012 than he should have. That should have set off warning bells for the party moving forward. Not Romney’s fault though. I do not think anyone else in 2012 could have done a whit better when all was said and done.

    His running in 2016 would have been difficult just at face value. Defeated nominees are just expected to go away at this point. People who had been at the core of Romney’s past support had already dispersed, some to Jeb, but also in larger numbers to Rubio, and then also to Kasich, and Walker.

    At the time, very late in 2014 and at the beginning of 2015 when Romney was considering jumping in, the national polls showed Rubio and Chris Christie way ahead of the field.

  333. Tina says:

    People can laugh at Cheney, but notice how he man handled the Silky Pony? The same with gaffe.

    Notice how gaffe man handled Paulo?

    Both crusty Mfers.

  334. Tina says:

    Refuge Retweeted
    The Associated Press
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    BREAKING: The number of people seeking jobless benefits dropped last week to the lowest level since November 1969, a sign the job market remains strong despite the partial government shutdown, now in its fifth week.

    “Despite…”

  335. CG says:

    Romney was very tough on Obama throughout the entire campaign. Independents thought overly so.

    I was also perhaps the sole or one of the only people to say after the third debate (the sit down one on foreign policy), that Romney pulled his punches too much. Everyone at HHR at the time tended to say Romney was magnificent that night too.

    Both Romney and Obama approached that debate as if Romney were five points ahead.

    I also think that if not for the Hurricane, the result could have been different.

  336. Tina says:

    Quittens had a lousy gop-e campaign staff.

    High $ and higher failure. Their Gotv system collapsed.

  337. NYCmike says:

    “Is Trump the only or strongest Republican in terms of a general election? The evidence clearly points to no.”

    -Wes,

    Help me out here…..which is fascistic…….are we FOR using the primary system? Or AGAINST?

  338. NYCmike says:

    “Romney didn’t really have to fight for the 2012 nomination, Mikey?”

    -Wes,

    I guess I was thinking about the quality of the opposition compared to what Trump battled thru.

  339. Robbie says:

    Trump’s plan got fewer votes than the democrat’s plan. Ha!

    NBC News
    @NBCNews

    Republican senators who voted for House-passed Democratic proposal:

    • Sen. Alexander
    • Sen. Collins
    • Sen. Gardner
    • Sen. Isakson
    • Sen. Murkowski
    • Sen. Romney

  340. CG says:

    The writing is on the wall that Trump will surrender on the shutdown eventually and those who defend Trump on anything will declare him a genius for surrendering and claim that was his master plan all along.

  341. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:45 pm
    The writing is on the wall that Trump will surrender on the shutdown eventually and those who defend Trump on anything will declare him a genius for surrendering and claim that was his master plan all along.

    – Trump plays 87 dimensional chess don’t you know.

  342. Robbie says:

    It’s the classiest humiliation ever.

    Allahpundit
    @allahpundit

    Cannot believe the Dem bill got more votes than Trump’s bill in a Republican-held Senate. What a humiliation.

  343. Wes says:

    Unlike Mike Lee and the Tea Party, Mikey, I inevitably default to voter enfranchisement and allowance for primaries.

    Even so, I think voters should be judicious in primaries and choose the most electable candidate while not letting some gadfly fatally compromise the general election effort.

    In this instance, Trump is perennially weak—at least for the general—and Republicans may want to look at a serious primary contender.

    However, I doubt one will emerge or can beat Trump in the primaries. In all our history, only Chester Arthur—never elected President and suffering from health problems that hindered his campaign and killed him just a few years later—has lost his party’s presidential nomination.

    That bodes well for Trump in the primaries.

  344. jason says:

    I don’t think Rubio or Haley will run against Trump.

    Hogan would be a nuisance candidate, I am glad a R won in MD but I doubt he has any national appeal among Rs.

    So unless there is something really shocking in the Mueller report (I tend to think not, if there was he wouldn’t have taken 2 + years) or Trump decides he would rather play billionaire businessman instead of President (been there, done that – I wouldn’t be surprised if he did not run), I think Trump will be the nominee.

    All the petulant Jebbots and Never Trumpers can then decide they want someone who is at least giving governing as a conservative a shot or do they prefer a bona fide socialist.

    If Trump wins again we are guaranteed a conservative SCOTUS for the next 20 years. That should be a powerful incentive not to elect a socialist.

  345. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:50 pm
    In this instance, Trump is perennially weak—at least for the general—and Republicans may want to look at a serious primary contender.
    However, I doubt one will emerge or can beat Trump in the primaries.

    – Let’s say Trump’s approval rating is around 35% in late Summer. You don’t think ambitious Republicans who see a looming defeat with Trump won’t take the plunge? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think we’re underestimating how solid Trump’s support is when he’s very unpopular and there’s a credible alternative.

  346. Wobbles says:

    Romney had far more dead-ender opposition in 2012 than he should have”

    Who you calling deadender?

    GFY

  347. NYCmike says:

    “Both Romney and Obama approached that debate as if Romney were five points ahead.”

    -This should tell you something about the man…..and is a reason why he did NOT become President.

    Unfortunately, your greater morality doesn’t allow you to see this fatal flaw in him.

  348. CG says:

    A. Extremely hard to dislodge an incumbent President via primary process

    B. Trump’s allies are attempting to fully rig the RNC process so primaries are not even held. They are taking no chances, and can theoretically re-nominate Trump by fiat.

    C. No other incumbent President has ever been this weak heading into a reelection cycle, so just about anything might be possible.

    I maintain a hunch that Trump will not be running a year from now anyway and thus, there may be a very large GOP field (or a smallish one with the perception that too much damage has been done and it might worth sitting this one out)

  349. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag’s fantasy of a “credible contender” to Trump reminds me of his brokered convention and convention uprising idiocies.

    Right now there is no credible alternative to Trump.

    None. Ninguno. Ninguém. Personne.

  350. CG says:

    At the time of the third debate in 2012, I believe both campaigns did see numbers showing Romney was about five points ahead.

  351. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 24, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    A. Extremely hard to dislodge an incumbent President via primary process

    – Not suggesting it would be easy, but blood in the water tends to produce feeding frenzies and trump is bleeding a lot.

  352. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 24, 2019 at 4:00 pm
    Amoral Scumbag’s fantasy of a “credible contender” to Trump reminds me of his brokered convention and convention uprising idiocies.
    Right now there is no credible alternative to Trump.
    None. Ninguno. Ninguém. Personne.

    – Jason fraud as a Trump deadender is something neither he nor I would have ever predicted in 2016.

  353. CG says:

    There are many credible alternatives to Trump at this point and many things that may happen.

    Just like it is theoretically possible Trump is reelected traditionally. Doubtful, but possible.

    Those who do not want to hear any doubt on that matter though are hypocrites who will cast zero doubt that any other alternative is possible.

    They are stuck in an extremely uncomfortable position of having to defend DJT, and they know it’s only going to get worse.

  354. Robbie says:

    This is what it looks like when a president begins to lose his iron grip on the party.

    Jake Sherman
    @JakeSherman

    The clean stopgap funding bill — the one that passed the House and was proposed by Schumer — got more votes than @realDonaldTrump’s proposal. In a Republican-run Senate.

  355. CG says:

    It will be easier and “cleaner” for Republicans to just get Trump not to run again. This should be considered separate and distinct from whether or not he eventually resigns as President. That’s an entirely different manner though the end result for the 2020 GOP nomination will be the same.

    This is the path Republicans should be taking. The message should go out that Trump is an anchor on the entire party and must be made to step aside.

  356. jason says:

    My opinion with the facts and situation at hand is that nobody can beat Trump in the primaries.

    That could obviously change.

    It won’t be Larry Hogan.

    But I will say this. IF, a big IF, Larry Hogan gains traction against Trump then others will jump in.

    I would vote for any potential R candidate against the socialists in 2016 except Rand Paul.

    Even scumbag Romney.

  357. Robbie says:

    If you want to see Trump re-elected, tell me how he gets his job approval rating from 40% to 50% on election day next year when it’s never been higher than 45% with a roaring economy. Because that’s what it will take.

  358. NYCmike says:

    “At the time of the third debate in 2012, I believe both campaigns did see numbers showing Romney was about five points ahead.”

    -So, Romney acted the gentleman and let up?

    As has already been established, and until proven otherwise, no killer instinct.

    He could have won that year. He didn’t.

    Blame it on the hurricane.

    And then in 2016, give ZERO CREDIT to the person who did win an election.

  359. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 24, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    My opinion with the facts and situation at hand is that nobody can beat Trump in the primaries.
    That could obviously change.
    It won’t be Larry Hogan.
    But I will say this. IF, a big IF, Larry Hogan gains traction against Trump then others will jump in.

    – And that’s why I said Hogan and Kasich may well play the role of Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

  360. CG says:

    The masses here loved Romney’s third debate and said he looked “statesman like” and “Presidential.”

    Me, as his biggest supporter, thought he might have played it too cautious.

    All ancient history now. He was never hurt by Candy Crowley though or by not bringing the fight to Obama. He was hurt by the leaked video showing the 47% remarks, the hurricane, and the fact that people who were prepared to vote for him, were told by friends, relatives, people on social media, that if they voted against Obama they would be viewed a racist.

  361. Tina says:

    Quitttens on cnn

    Romney said he will not vote for a final deal that doesn’t include a barrier on the southern border and enforcement procedures.

  362. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud’s definition of scumbag- anyone who dares speak against a man who screwed a pornstar three months after his third wife gave birth to their only son.

  363. CG says:

    Trump won an election in 2016 in spite of himself. Kudos. He did win. It’s pretty clear he did not expect to win nor really want to be President.

    The bottom line is that he was not Hillary Clinton in a few states where it narrowly mattered. You might have even been able to win NYCMike, provided you stayed away from press conferences.

  364. NYCmike says:

    “If you want to see Trump re-elected, tell me how he gets his job approval rating from 40% to 50% on election day next year when it’s never been higher than 45% with a roaring economy. ”

    -I would start by asking all #NeverTrump Republicans to compare the policies carried out by a Trump Presidency to the policies which will be put in place by the Democratic candidate, and then have them explain why NOT VOTING for Trump and helping to ensure a Democratic victory would be a better result for the country and the party.

  365. jason says:

    Trump has brought good results for conservatives and Republicans.

    The economy. Energy. Deregulation. Taxes. Judicial appointments. Korea summit. These are major accomplishments. There are others, his war on the MSM to me is absolutely essential even if unwinnable. Refusing to spend trillions on the global warming rathole? Fabulous.

    That is why on balance I think he has been a good President, even if I disagree with him on other important issues like trade and some aspects of foreign policy.

    I think it would be foolish to elect a socialist over what in effect are fake moral issues (mostly from people who have no morals themselves) and petty issues like what Trump does or doesn’t tweet.

    Let’s see what happens. Let’s see if the country is really ready for socialism now, I am sure its ready for socialism eventually.

  366. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “– And that’s why I said Hogan and Kasich may well play the role of Eugene McCarthy in 1968.”

    Try Pete McCloskey. Minor candidates who may end up with near single digit percentages of the vote in primary states.

  367. CG says:

    “I would start by asking all #NeverDuke Republicans to compare the policies carried out by a Duke Presidency to the policies which will be put in place by the Democratic candidate, and then have them explain why NOT VOTING for Duke and helping to ensure a Democratic victory would be a better result for the country and the party.”

  368. Tina says:

    I wonder if Jeb used the same campaign people as Quitten 2012.

    For the $150 million that he blew, somebody from that campaign should,have told him how to answer the Iraq war, was it a mistake question.

    It should not have taken him four times.

    Plus nothing phony by putting on fake glasses to “look” more intelligent,

  369. NYCmike says:

    “It’s pretty clear he did not expect to win nor really want to be President.”

    -Let me guess – Marla Maples “testified under oath”?

  370. CG says:

    “Korea summit” looks like a complete and total embarrassment at the present time.

  371. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    373. “It’s pretty clear he did not expect to win nor really want to be President.”

    That is an assumption.

  372. NYCmike says:

    #377 – Historic black employment – amazing what the new century has seen from the KKK.

    Black Klansman INDEED!

  373. CG says:

    The “fake glasses” thing was Rick Perry. Jeb purposely did not wear glasses in the campaign.

  374. Tina says:

    -I would start by asking all #NeverTrump Republicans to compare the policies carried out by a Trump Presidency to the policies which will be put in place by the Democratic candidate, and then have them explain why NOT VOTING for Trump and helping to ensure a Democratic victory would be a better result for the country and the party.

    The never trump republicans are less now than then,

    They lost a lot with the Weekly Socialist going under and the dismal shape that National Retreat online is in,

  375. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #352 & 364- Robbie
    Robbie is so happy about the Democrats’ moral victory in today’s Senate votes that he has to say the same thing twice.
    Robbie, moral victories are for Little Leaguers!

  376. Tina says:

    https://jeb2016.com

    Glasses are apparent in his campaign photo.

    Clearly, you are an idiot.

  377. CG says:

    There’s lot of corroborating evidence as to his win was a complete surprise to the people around him (especially his wife to whom he promised he would not win) and how he was far from happy on Election Night.

    But again, I know people take any single word that might be contrary to the Trump narrative as being “fake news.”

  378. jason says:

    Jason fraud’s definition of scumbag:

    You.

    Amoral Scumbag.

  379. NYCmike says:

    ““Korea summit” looks like a complete and total embarrassment at the present time.”

    -Please help me “recall”…..what did Korea look like after 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush, and 8 more years of Bush (Democratic candidates ignored, as they were obviously useless)?

  380. CG says:

    He didn’t wear glasses in the debate.

    Of all things ever said about Jeb Bush, that he was not smart or not “wonky” was never one of them.

  381. NYCmike says:

    “There’s lot of corroborating evidence…”

    -Is Mueller going to release it any time soon?

  382. jason says:

    here’s lot of corroborating evidence as to his win ”

    The MSM garbage that Trump didn’t want to win or didn’t expect to win is one of the biggest canards ever, it’s no surprise Corey wants to parrot it.

    Trump worked his ass off in the campaign, he did endless rallies, multiple ones a day.

    He wanted to win. He expected to win.

  383. Tina says:

    More glassses here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/20/jeb-bush-no-glasses-fashion-advice

    That and the weight loss all big lies.

    Notice, how he has ballooned up.

  384. NYCmike says:

    “The “fake glasses” thing was Rick Perry. Jeb purposely did not wear glasses in the campaign.”

    -Did you spell “debate” differently in this comment?

    Because I can’t find it.

  385. CG says:

    Well, Korea didn’t have those nukes under the Republican President.

    Things got worse under Obama.

    I do not fault Trump for trying to improve the situation, but his way of going about it was disgraceful. He just wanted to “make a friend” and proclaim “victory”, details be damned.

    So, North Korea got exactly what they wanted out of the situation. Trump sucked up to them.

  386. CG says:

    So, Trump expected to win and at the same time was working on a secret deal with Russia for a Moscow Trump Tower all the way up to Election Day.

    If he did intend to win, that ought to be reason alone to kick him out of office.

  387. Tina says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=INRdArOAQus

    Bush is here in a debate from 2016 with glasses.

  388. jason says:

    The never trump republicans are less now than then,”

    Yep.

    You can see it here at HHR.

    Quite a few people here that did not vote for Trump but would vote for him in 2020.

    I have yet to see anyone here who voted for him who says they won’t do it again.

    There used to be a reason to be NeverTrump.

    Now its just sour grapes and pettiness and being small minded.

  389. NYCmike says:

    “Trump worked his ass off in the campaign, he did endless rallies, multiple ones a day.

    He wanted to win. He expected to win.”

    -There is ample corroborating evidence that he was being paid appearance fees for his new Apprentice series he was developing.

    It was all for the money, not to win.

  390. CG says:

    Jeb purposefully ditched the glasses at some point in the campaign. He was not the first candidate to do that.

    Tina confused him with Rick Perry who (after he was no longer a Presidential candidate) started wearing glasses suddenly.

    Whatever one wants to say or think about Jeb Bush, the concept that he was not intellectual is crazy. He was too intellectual. The GOP wasn’t into that in 2016.

  391. Tina says:

    I only point out that he should have had a better answer in Iraq, should not have wore glasses, and should not have sold guacamole bowls.

    In all fairness, Rubio should not have worn boots.

  392. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 24, 2019 at 4:15 pm
    #352 & 364- Robbie
    Robbie is so happy about the Democrats’ moral victory in today’s Senate votes that he has to say the same thing twice.
    Robbie, moral victories are for Little Leaguers!

    – I’m for reopening the government. Plain and simple. And if that leads to embarrassment for Trump, all the better.

  393. Tina says:

    Notice how the Clinton groupie is squirming to re define what it said?

  394. jason says:

    So, Trump expected to win and at the same time was working on a secret deal with Russia for a Moscow Trump Tower all the way up to Election Day.”

    LOL

    I remember when Corey used that BS argument against Rubio, that he couldn’t stay a Senator while running for President (although it’s common practice).

    Trump was entitled to continue his business deals until the day he won or loss, no law against it at all.

    He would have been stupid to do otherwise.

  395. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 24, 2019 at 4:17 pm
    Jason fraud’s definition of scumbag:
    You.
    Amoral Scumbag.

    – My definition of late-stage Trumpism- you.

  396. Robbie says:

    Trump’s caving?

    Marianna Sotomayor
    @MariannaNBCNews

    GRAHAM: “Just got off the phone with the president and told him we’re talking about a three week continuing resolution.”

    He said the president indicated what he would want in a 3 week CR and that those proposals are being discussed by Leaders McConnell & Schumer right now.

  397. jason says:

    ’m for reopening the government. Plain and simple. And if that leads to embarrassment for Trump, all the better.”

    Pathological liar.

    You don’t care one bit about the government being open one way or the other

    It’s all under the prism of being good or bad for Trump.

    Amoral Scumbag.

  398. CG says:

    Russia is hostile to the United States and Trump had a secret business deal with them all the way up until the election, which he also felt the need to lie about after the fact.

    And that is ok with -jason.

    Says all there is to know about jason. I wish him good luck.

  399. Tina says:

    Trump had a secret business deal with them all the way up until the election, which he also felt the need to lie about after the fact.

    LOON. ALERT

  400. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag must have read over at DKos that a 3 week continuing resolution is “caving”.

  401. CG says:

    Since the Democrats have been pushing a short-term CR throughout and Trump has been saying no and previously said he would never agree to a CR again, of course it will be seen as “caving” by sane people.

    But as I predicted, Trump will surrender and be declared a strategic genius for surrendering.

  402. jason says:

    Russia is hostile to the United States”

    LOL

    So nobody ever did business deals with “hostile countries”?

    No wonder Corey is considered a clown here.

    Where was Corey when Obama told Romney the Cold War was over?

  403. Tina says:

    Granite, Schumah, and Mitchie are discussing a 3 week cr for border money.

    So, a 3 week fix?

  404. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 24, 2019 at 4:27 pm
    ’m for reopening the government. Plain and simple. And if that leads to embarrassment for Trump, all the better.”
    Pathological liar.
    You don’t care one bit about the government being open one way or the other
    It’s all under the prism of being good or bad for Trump.
    Amoral Scumbag.

    – I absolutely care about reopening the government. Since I deal directly with ATC and you don’t, I don’t want them to be stressed out worrying about going a month without pay over a stupid wall.

    But more importantly, go f@ck yourself.

  405. Tina says:

    Border barrier money.

    Then, they are back to square one in 3 weeks.

    And do not put foeget about the March debt ceiling limit being breached,

    And the next Fy budget (10/1/19).

  406. jason says:

    I don’t have a problem with Trump wanting to put up a building in Russia.

    None.

    It doesn’t mean there is any collusion, it doesn’t mean there is anything illegal, unethical or in any way shady.

    That was the nature of his business, and he put up buildings where there was a financial incentive.

    It’s called capitalism. Nothing wrong with it at all.

  407. Tina says:

    Basically, 3 week cr with border barrier downpaymenr,

  408. jason says:

    – I absolutely care about reopening the government”

    No you don’t, you care about it as much as the Dems care about it.

    You view it on some political scale as being good or bad for Trump.

    That is all your small, bitter, petty scumbag persona thinks about.

    You really are a disgusting turd of human being.

    The fact you think you are somewhat morally superior to Trump is probably the most ridiculous thing I ever read here.

  409. dblaikie says:

    I believe at the end of the day, here is what is going to happen with the shutdown. Open the Government up, put 5 billion in the CR for Border Security and here is the compromise: let the experts at the border decide what is needed with the money. Maybe a wall in some places maybe something else in another place.

  410. Tina says:

    Is there a link to the secret Russia deal?

    Or is like “flub never wore glasses in 2016?”

  411. Tina says:

    expeers Have already looked into what is needed at the border.

    If you combined piglosis points from twitter last weeekend and trumps $5 billlion for the border barrier, you have a fairly good plan,

    I said so at the time,

  412. CG says:

    Trump could give the Democrats every single thing they want and his posse here will call it a victory and say it is genius. Completely predictable. Their lives are consumed with pretending that Donald Trump might be their friend or father figure.

    Ann Coulter on the other hand, whom whether you agree with her or not actually has principles, will feel differently.

  413. jason says:

    Personally, I never support government shutdowns as a way to win politically anyway.

    The Dems want to use federal employees as political pawns and props for propaganda purposes, just like the MSM.

    I don’t care about the wall per se, I support a combination physical and virtual wall, whichever is more appropriate for the location, but I do care about border security so I hope Trump wins the 6 billion.

    Anyone who claims to be a conservative but doesn’t support Trump getting money for border security, even if you don’t support a wall, is a hypocrite like Amoral Scumbag.

  414. NYCmike says:

    It’s wrong (illegal?) for a real-estate developer to try and develop real estate in a different country?

    It’s wrong (illegal?) for that same person, running a private company, to NOT tell people where he may develop new properties?

    Does this make the Halliburton arguments against Bush/Cheney valid?

    Or it is only when direct involvement occurs?

    If donors/supporters receive proceeds, that is fine and dandy?

    Of course, if the arrangements are legal, on what basis are they being considered wrong?

  415. jason says:

    I believe at the end of the day, here is what is going to happen with the shutdown. Open the Government up, put 5 billion in the CR for Border Security and here is the compromise: let the experts at the border decide what is needed with the money. Maybe a wall in some places maybe something else in another place”

    I would be ok with that, as I have stated before.

  416. NYCmike says:

    “CG” again with the “friend or father figure.” line.

    Your G-d may send you back down here to learn some humility before you are let in.

  417. jason says:

    Look NYC, if Romney had invested in Russia Corey would have thought it absolutely wonderful, bet on it.

    It’s pure unadulterated hypocrisy.

  418. jason says:

    Frankly, Trump probably was more unethical paying off Democrats to build in NYC than he ever was in Russia.

  419. CG says:

    424. Why did he hide it from the voters? Why did he say, “I have no deals in Russia. I know no Russians. I have nothing to do with Russia.” Why not be proud of it then?

    No comparison to anything that has ever happened before.

    Russia is a hostile foreign government whom everybody knows was trying to harm America by interfering in our elections. Nobody who would try to do business with them while also trying to serve the public deserves to be Dog Catcher.

    I trust Robert Mueller and his team to sort through what happened and what did not and what is legal and what is not and for justice to be done.

    If the evidence points to guilt and after a fair trial, I hope Donald Trump becomes very accustomed to “walls.”

  420. NYCmike says:

    “Frankly, Trump probably was more unethical paying off Democrats to build in NYC than he ever was in Russia.”

    -I would be inclined to agree with you.

  421. Tina says:

    What was the secret deal?

  422. Paul says:

    What happened to Clybourn’s idea of 5.7 billion in border security for electronic walls, personnel and rebuilding existing walls? Did the Dems pull that back for awhile, or did it get rejected?

  423. NYCmike says:

    “424. Why did he hide it from the voters? Why did he say, “I have no deals in Russia. I know no Russians. I have nothing to do with Russia.” Why not be proud of it then?”

    -Start your own business, share all of your future plans with any competitors, then get back to us and let us know how it works out.

  424. Tina says:

    That idea is not on the table.

    There is now a 3 week cr for an unspecified border barrier downpaymenr.

  425. Tina says:

    If he had no buildings in Russia, he had no deals.

    An intent to do X, does not always result in Y.

    Businnwss 101.

  426. NYCmike says:

    “What was the secret deal?”

    -I think Marla Maples “testified under oath” about it.

  427. CG says:

    NYC seems to be claiming that Trump can deliberately lie about anything at all related to the Presidency and it is ok because he has to worry about business competition and one day he is going back into business.

    I wish there were words to describe this disconnect. I don’t think there are. I also do not think that people who approach this so differently will ever be able to “reunite” post-Trump. Some groups are going to have to win and some will have to be defeated. “Fighting” about these things online, semi-anonymously (or completely anonymously in some cases) feels like a waste of time.

  428. jason says:

    Why did he hide it from the voters?”

    LOL

    How many billionaires reveal real estate negotiations to the public?

    That would be the end of the negotiation.

    This is TDS extraordinaire!

  429. NYCmike says:

    “NYC seems to be claiming that Trump can deliberately lie about anything at all related to the Presidency……”

    -What in G-d’s name are you talking about now?

  430. Paul says:

    438: He was still denying it once he became President.

  431. NYCmike says:

    How are potential real estate deals from prior to 2017 “related to the Presidency”?

  432. NYCmike says:

    “438: He was still denying it once he became President.”

    -And?

  433. jason says:

    In Corey’s world, real estate developers tell the public where and what they are interested in building next.

  434. jason says:

    438: He was still denying it once he became President.”

    Horrors!

  435. Tina says:

    Secret deal

    Paid for abortions

    Jeb did not wear glasses.

  436. jason says:

    Meanwhile Hillary was actually selling access to foreigners but you can see Corey is much more interested in fake scandals than real ones.

    “During and before the four years Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, the Clinton Foundation run by her husband took tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments and corporations.

    Many of these donors had a lot riding on Clinton’s decisions. Saudi Arabia gave the foundation up to $25 million, and Clinton signed off on a controversial $29 billion sale of fighter jets to the country. Oil companies gave the foundation around $3 million, and Clinton approved a lucrative gas pipeline in the Canadian tar sands they’d long sought.

    We’ve known the basics of this story for months now. But another media feeding frenzy over the foundation kicked off again on Monday, when the State Department was forced to release emails showing that the foundation’s leadership tried to land its top donors meetings with the secretary of state.

    Douglas Band, the Clinton Foundation’s top executive, asked the state department if Clinton could meet with “our good friend” Bahraini Crown Prince Sheikh Salman. Salman, who had given the foundation $32 million, met with Clinton. Clinton later approved a $630 million arms sale to Bahrain, according to the International Business Times.

    A Ukrainian magnate named Victor Pinchuk gave the Clinton Foundation between $10 million and $25 million. While Clinton was secretary of state, her aides set up “about a dozen meetings with State Department officials on behalf of or with Mr. Pinchuk to discuss the continuing political crisis in continuing political crisis in Ukraine,” according to the New York Times.
    In 2009, Band told Clinton aide Huma Abedin to secure a meeting for a Lebanese billionaire who had also given millions to the foundation. That donor, Ronald Chagoury, controlled a development in Lagos where the State Department was considering constructing a consulate, according to CNN. (The consulate wasn’t built.)
    S. Daniel Abraham, a billionaire who gave up to $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, was also granted access to meet with Clinton, according to the released emails. (Abraham is also the head of the Center for Middle East Peace.)”

  437. jason says:

    I bet I could link dozens of Clinton deals a lot more fishier than a Trump Tower in Russia, but I am sure Corey would not be interested in any of them.

  438. jason says:

    Tina makes a good point, no tower was ever built.

    So Corey is concerned about “negotiations” to build a tower that never happened.

    Meanwhile the Clinton Foundation raked in real money.

  439. jason says:

    I am sure Amoral Scumbag is just outraged, I tell you.

    “ILHAN OMAR (D-MN) ENDORSED SOMALIA’S NEW PRESIDENT. FOUR DAYS LATER, OMAR’S BROTHER-IN-LAW HAD A POWERFUL JOB IN HIS ADMINISTRATION: “Nancy Pelosi placed Omar on Foreign Affairs, so she will soon be in the middle of vital national security legislation regarding the Middle East.”

    Meanwhile, back in the USA, “As of this morning, the [Minneapolis] Star Tribune has made no mention of Omar’s libelous tweet falsely defaming the boys of Covington Catholic. It hasn’t reported Omar’s defense of the so-called Black Hebrew Israelites hate group. It hasn’t bothered to let readers know that Omar published the Covington Catholic libel to some 450,000 followers who shed their brain cells to keep up with her. It hasn’t noted Omar’s deletion of her libelous tweet yesterday without retraction, explanation or apology.”

  440. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey/Robbie:

    No Republican at HHR was more critical of Trump than I was during the primaries or the a General Election. He truly is a vile scumbag as a person. His personal life is appalling. I am sure he gave more money to Democrats than all of the prior Republican nominees in history combined. Those are my anti-Trump credentials.

    That being said, there is only one real world consideration. Put away your absurd fantasies of President Pence or another Republican nominee in 2020. If Trump loses, a hard leftist opposed to everything you claim to believe in will be President. The only outcome is vile scumbag Trump or hard leftist wins. That is it. If you are willing to have some hard leftist win, own it.

  441. Wes says:

    I would actually LOVE to see the Dems do this just so I can watch Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Company squirm and howl just as Buffett did when Obama proposed a tax on private jets:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-propose-new-wealth-tax-very-rich-americans-economist-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.362cfc917bbe

  442. Wes says:

    I’m no fan of soak-the-rich tax schemes, but if rich people want to support Dems, I think the Dems should be able to implement this kind of idiocy against them and punish them for their contributions and activism.

    In particular I want to see George Soros and Mike Bloomberg start howling about how the Dems are “unfairly” targeting them.

  443. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    450. With Bitter, Jason and myself all in agreement, the Never Trump forces on this board are in tatters. Although I enjoyed attacking Trump, the alternative to him is going into the abyss. If Trump gets re-elected, its going to be the voters “holding their noise” and voting for him that get him over the top.

    Give me a reason I should want Trump to lose in 2020 and have a Democrat elected in his place?

  444. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    452. The soak-the-rich tax schemes are advocated by rich people who primarily store their water outside the U.S. Its virtue signaling.

  445. Wes says:

    I’m aware, SDC. If you read Warren’s proposal though she plans to crack down on that. I just want to see snobbish, elitist liberals twisting as true believer Dems actually target them.

  446. Paul says:

    For the Trump loyal opposition: Is there any Democrat out there that would be sufficiently centrist/conservative that could be supported against Trump?

  447. Wes says:

    Hypocrites like Ben Stein who got rich off GOP tax cuts and reform under Reagan but now advocate taxing the hell out of people trying to get into the upper societal tiers deserve nothing less.

  448. NYCmike says:

    I posted a link earlier about that Congresswoman.

    “CG” made no mention of it, neither did Robbie.

  449. Tina says:

    Wow, thought Ben stein believed in low taxes and was a tax cutter.

    Does Stein claim to be a “real” Republican too?

  450. Tina says:

    No tower was built.

    Right Jason, and not illegal if one were built in Russia.

    Notice how the jebots are silent on Romney/Bain Capital.
    Bain Capital actually has Russian business and an office in Moscow.

    Or the $500,ooo that the Clinton foundation. Got from Russia, while the beitch was Sos.

    But muh secret deal.

  451. Phil says:

    450

    Well, bitter, I think you pretty much spelled it out. There is a choice. We can have trump with all his character flaws in the WH or a hard leftist. Obviously, CG and Robbie choose to live with the leftist. They need to own it.

  452. Bitterlaw says:

    456 No. Any more questions, Paul?

  453. Wes says:

    Tina, Stein claims to be a Republican and indeed has often supported Republican candidates for office (though he publicly endorsed Al Franken). However, he is a major advocate of high taxes, being highly critical of GWB’s tax cuts in particular.

    He has publicly and fallaciously claimed Reagan was a tax raiser too.

    Although it is true Reagan signed Tefra and raised tariffs several times in office, Reagan’s primary contribution to the tax debate was the 1981 tax cuts and subsequent 1986 tax reform that dropped marginal rates to a high of 28%. Stein mendaciously ignores this in his attempt to justify his support of high taxes by claiming Reagan-era America was booming economically as some kind of high-tax utopia.

    He’s a flat-out hypocrite who made his fortune because of low tax rates during the ‘80s and now wants others to pay money he managed to avoid paying on his road to great wealth.

    On the other hand, he’s a brilliant investor I’m sure is glad Clinton signed significant capital gains rate reductions in the 1997 budget.

  454. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    455. I’m aware, SDC. If you read Warren’s proposal though she plans to crack down on that. I just want to see snobbish, elitist liberals twisting as true believer Dems actually target them.”

    Foreign corporations are beyond Warren’s grasp, If the U.S.adopted an expropriative tax rate, then you would see rich individuals and corporations moving elsewhere.

  455. Wes says:

    Warren has you covered, SDC. She also proposes a 5% penalty on anyone trying to become an ex-pat to avoid her proposed wealth tax.

  456. Wes says:

    I’m aware Warren’s plan is both unworkable and guaranteed never to happen. I would like to see liberal rich Dems suddenly scramble to escape the effects of their political allegiance though.

  457. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nancy and Chuck continuing to whoop the Orange Moron’s sorry a$$. How you like them apples Donnie!! Finally we got someone to stand up to the playground bully and he’s backing down like the pathetic looooosah that he is.

    #RESIST!

  458. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    465. So if I leave the U.S. and transfer may assets to a foreign country, she is going to fine me 5%. How is she going to collect? This sounds so Soviet.

  459. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not believe in soak the rich taxation. I support individuals using lawyers and CPAs to LEGALLY pay lower taxes. However, if any American deliberately moved abroad to avoid taxes, I am willing to discuss stripping them of their citizenship and granting citizenship to an illegal in their place. Being an American citizen is a priceless gift given at birth or earned. Anybody who treat it so cavalierly does not deserve it.

  460. Wes says:

    See, rich liberals can afford to virtue signal about wanting to pay more without a wealth tax because they can fall back on low cap gains rates and money they’ve already accumulated. If Warren were to get her way they wouldn’t have that advantage any longer and would have to live with the consequences of their contributions and votes—as they currently do not.

  461. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    468. Maybe Hugh Chavez had some good ideas, when capital began fleeing Venezuela, he began imposing criminal penalties on those who fled. That will teach em.

  462. Wes says:

    Read the article I linked, SDC. She plans to increase the size and scope of the IRS.

    Stalinist Russia, here we come!

  463. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump needs to build a wall to keep illegals out; Warren will need to build a wall to keep rich people in.

  464. Bitterlaw says:

    I saw a story on some men who fled to Canada to avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam. They renounced their American citizenship. Decades later, they said they regretted it and wished they had either gone to Vietnam or been arrested for resisting the draft. Too bad. They made their choice and can die as Canadians. I do not believe in redemption.

  465. Wes says:

    The liberal economists who helped craft Warren’s plan claim it will raise about 2 trillion from about 75,000 individuals over 10 years. We know that will actually work out.

  466. Wes says:

    I forgot the rolling eyed emoticon in my previous post.

    🙄

  467. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey to declare all Democrats to be pragmatic compromisers in 3…2…1…

  468. Wes says:

    The Stupid Party strikes again:

    CT Republicans reward their party chair for a massive loss with a bonus.

    https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-romano-bonus-20190123-teahda4l55eg7jm6o42mvpyunu-story.html?outputType=amp

    There are no words.

  469. Proud Obamacon says:

    Chuck and Nancy must be high fiving each other, total surrender is on the horizon! I’m impressed with the old geysers!

    #RESIST!!!!!!

  470. Phil says:

    Wes, I would put the Connecticut situation in my top 6 of stupid Republican moves – but at number 6

    5) Republican primary voters in Delaware that nominated the witch

    4). Republican primary voters that nominated Ken Buck over Jane Norton

    3). Republican primary voters that gave us Sharon Angle

    2). Republican primary voters that gave us Todd Akin

    1). Republican primary voters that gave us Roy Moore.

    Party of stupid? Yeah, I’ll go with that.

  471. jason says:

    Hey Marxist troll, aren’t you concerned about your socialist paradise Venezuela?

    You better rush there to help your hero Maduro out, he needs lots of help.

  472. Tgca says:

    Ok. I came across this monatage of insults between Rosie O’Donnell and Trump. I am laughing to tears at some points and my heading is hurting so bad I’m afraid my fever will return.

    One fav quip where Trump explains he invited Rosie to his wedding, and she came, and she ate like a pig.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXEaF-w2MY

  473. jason says:

    “For the Trump loyal opposition: Is there any Democrat out there that would be sufficiently centrist/conservative that could be supported against Trump?”

    All the Dems announcing so far are hard core leftists and socialists.

    The most “conservative” Dem around is Manchin, who is actually a flaming liberal.

    Who is the centrist/conservative Dem?

    I don’t think there is one person in the Dem caucus that believes in free enterprise, capitalism, or the 2nd Amendment.

    This should be good.

  474. jason says:

    The answer is no, btw.

  475. Proud Obamacon says:

    “aren’t you concerned about your socialist paradise Venezuela?”

    Like clockwork lol .. so predictable and pathetic too. Jason really needs some new material.

    #RESIST!

  476. Proud Obamacon says:

    By the way, what the mothafukk is up with Rafael Cruz’s facial hair.. huh? And then to get smacked down by Sen. Bennett. Wow, bad day for Cruz, bad day for the RePUKEs.

    Good to see the good guys finally speaking up and kicking a$$

    #RESIST!!

  477. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think there is one person in the Dem caucus that believes in free enterprise, capitalism, or the 2nd Amendment.”

    -I wonder if any of the Democrats really believe in the 1st Amendment…..well, except for other leftists.

    They rarely say anything about situations where conservative speakers are protested against and then are unable to speak, usually while the “state” (police force) stand idly by watching.

  478. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-nominates-51-judges-at-once-enough-to-fill-1-3rd-of-all-court-vacancies

    -Yup, I hope Trump has more “caves” like the ones giving P.O., Robbie, and “CG” their orgasmic-like smiling faces between now and Jan. 20, 2025.

    Or, will the 3 of them be happier when a far-left-Democrat is picking judges instead?

  479. Paul says:

    Anyone know what Trump means by a prorated downpayment on a wall?

  480. Cash Cow TM says:

    WV FORMER State Senator Richard Ojeda 1% !

  481. Paul says:

    How about McRaven vs Trump?

  482. Phil says:

    I finally figured out the troll schedule. Robbie takes the day shift and PO takes the evening shift – that is, if they aren’t actually the same guy.

  483. NYCmike says:

    “How about McRaven vs Trump?”

    https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2018/09/13/mcraven-former-socom-head-resigns-from-pentagon-board-following-trump-criticism/

    -McRaven is, by all accounts, one fantastic individual.

    Unfortunately, the way politics works, the men/women of highest character don’t often suit up and take a chance at elected office.

    No idea what his politics are. I would definitely be willing to listen to a person such as him.

  484. Bitterlaw says:

    Too bad Trump pissed off the Chinese. They could build the wall and it would last for thousands of years.

  485. NYCmike says:

    I do believe McRaven is wrong about John Brennan’s security clearance, and his criticism of Trump going after the media is, in my opinion, is short-sighted and either purposely naive, or totally ignorant.

  486. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Yup, I hope Trump has more “caves” like the ones giving P.O., Robbie, and “CG” their orgasmic-like smiling faces between now and Jan. 20, 2025.”

    OK Sport, if you think the Groper is winning this, more power to ya.. keep up the good work there Orange Groper! At this rate, he’ll be out of the WH by Jan. 20, 2020!

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  487. Proud Obamacon says:

    Reality is sinking in for Orange, but not for NYC Mike apparently.

    The RePUKE Senators have turned on The Turtle, and so The spineless Turtle has turned on Orange. What a trainwreck. Good riddance to yall ReTHUGS.

    Time to Surrender. Total Surrender.

    #RESIST

  488. lisab says:

    Ryan Saavedra

    BREAKING: CNN reports that the Trump administration is preparing a draft proclamation to declare a national emergency on the southern border that identifies $7+ billion for the border wall.

  489. lisab says:

    No idea what his politics are. I would definitely be willing to listen to a person such as him.
    ————————

    he was one of hillary’s possible vp choices

  490. Proud Obamacon says:

    “a national emergency”

    In other words, a Hail Mary after Turtle passes a bill with no wall funding.

    Do it, Orange! Can’t wait to see him declare the emergency and have it backfire spectacularly in his orange face.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHH

  491. Wes says:

    With friends like his Commerce Secretary, Trump doesn’t need enemies:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/24/ross-government-shutdown-food-banks-1122842

    Let’s just all make every unforced error possible.

    Ggggrrrr…

  492. messy says:

    Whitiker just approved the arrest of Roger Stone.
    Another Trump fail! HA!!!! (missed 500 by two, oh well…)

  493. jason says:

    Ross was my least favorite cabinet pick.

  494. jason says:

    Missing from the Stone indictment is any hint of any collusion.

    None. Nada. Zilch.

    If Mueller had any evidence Stone colluded with Russians he would have charged him.

    He didn’t.

  495. jason says:

    The 800 lb gorilla of the indictment.

    “The indictment does not charge Stone with conspiring with WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy website that published the emails, or with the Russian officers Mueller says hacked them. Instead, it accuses him of witness tampering, obstruction and false statements about his interactions related to WikiLeaks’ release. Some of those false statements were made to the House intelligence committee, according to the indictment.”

  496. jason says:

    Another 800lb gorilla

    “It alleges that unnamed senior Trump campaign officials contacted Stone to ask when stolen emails relating to Clinton might be disclosed.”

    This was after the first batch was released.

    So it shows that nobody in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians or even Wikileaks, or they would know the answer.

  497. jason says:

    “CNN producer David Shortell admitted that he was “waiting” outside Roger Stone’s house at 5am, an hour before FBI agents and police arrived to arrest the former Donald Trump associate.”

  498. jason says:

    Looks like the only collusion was the FBI with CNN.

  499. Tina says:

    Shorter just happened to be there on a “whim.”

  500. Tina says:

    Sorry, shortell followed his gut instincts.

    Lol.

  501. Robbie says:

    CNBC Now
    @CNBCnow

    BREAKING: FAA says it is halting flights into New York’s LaGuardia airport due to air traffic control staffing issues.

  502. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 25, 2019 at 9:41 am
    Looks like the only collusion was the FBI with CNN.

    – Watching Jason fraud morph into Tinfoil Tina is another sign of late stage Trumpism. Hopefully, a cure will be found before more people are lost to this disease.

  503. Tina says:

    Trump up to 45 in Rasmussen,

    Plus 3 for the week,

  504. Tina says:

    https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/01/24/trump-wall-no-state-of-emergency

    Breaking, congressional research states that trump can build the wall without declaring a NE, using the military.

  505. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    ·
    23s
    This will get more into a he said-he said than it already is. Mueller disputes Stone’s claim that Credico was his only back channel by pointing to Aug. 19 email as their first mention of Wikileaks. Stone’s said he spoke offline w/ Credico prior to that.

    Sounds convulsed. Stone will not fold. The hacks with Mulehead better have their A game,

  506. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #511- Robbie
    Yes, blame Pelosi, Schumer and Congressional Democrats for voting twice against paying the salaries of furloughed workers.
    Are you to young to remember Reagan’s handling of the PATCO strike?

  507. Tina says:

    From the statute

    Another statute that authorizes the Secretary of Defense to assist civilian law enforcement with counterdrug activities may provide some authority for the construction of barriers along the border. 10 U.S.C. § 284 (Section 284) provides that the Secretary of Defense “may provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime” of any law enforcement agency, including through the “[c]onstruction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.” …

    Use of Section 284 would not require a declaration of a national emergency under the NEA. However, the DOD’s Section 284 authority to construct fences appears to extend only to “drug smuggling corridors,” a condition that may limit where DOD could deploy fencing.

  508. Tina says:

    The drats in the house actually voted three times against paying Federal workers, sheeple.

    Workers would have received the first check for the new year, despite the shutdown.

  509. gameboy says:

    #511

    And……..?? If the bonehead pols gave a s*#t they would work something out. I’m fine with the shutdown lasting forever.

  510. Tina says:

    So, 3 times, the house voted against paying federal workers for the first check missed in 2019. All Rs voted yes,

    Yesterday, Schumah blocked paying the coast guard.

    I have no clue why Mitchie is not taking up a bill to pay all federal workers.

  511. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie
    Good news since you are a conservative Republican!

    The Senate Judiciary Committee has a vote scheduled on Tuesday for AG and a whole bunch of Trump judicial nominees, including six for the circuit courts:

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/01/29/2019/executive-business-meeting

    Sounds like Graham isn’t allowing any grass to grow under his feet. I suppose the Dems will ask for a one week delay on some or all of them.(H/T: RRH)

  512. Tina says:

    Gabe Hoffman
    Gabe Hoffman
    @GabeHoff
    ·
    51m
    Not defending Roger Stone & I don’t know the details of his case

    Manner of arrest = unnecessary waste of $ by
    @FBI

    66 year old man with no violent history

    Process crimes, white collar

    About 12 agents in heavily armed tactical gear

    Just tell his lawyer to turn himself in ????

    ***So fib had $$$, despite the shutdown.

  513. Tina says:

    I do not know much about the case either. I do know a 66 year old person, like stone, would not go on the lamb. It is a complete waste of Fib resources and quite dangerous tipping off a reporter.

    If anything, Stone would have run, not walked, to the nearest tv camera.

  514. jason says:

    jason says:
    January 25, 2019 at 9:41 am
    Looks like the only collusion was the FBI with CNN.

    – Watching Jason fraud morph into Tinfoil Tina is another sign of late stage Trumpism. Hopefully, a cure will be found before more people are lost to this disease.”

    LOL

    This from Amoral Scumbag who is on record as saying there was no collusion.

    But now he fully believes in it because all his leftwing MSM sources believes in it.

    Like I said, he would sell his mother into sexual bondage if he thought it would lower Trump’s approval by 1%.

  515. Wobbles says:

    Robbie
    Good news since you are a conservative Republican!”

    Huh, did you read where a porn star if accusing Trump of a one night stand 10 years before he became President?

    Focus man, focus.

  516. Tina says:

    Saagar Enjeti
    Saagar Enjeti
    @esaagar
    ·
    13m
    Andy McCarthy: “I read that indictment, and what it says to me is that the special counsel and the FBI have known for at least a year, probably much longer than that that there is no espionage conspiracy and there was none between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign”

  517. jason says:

    This is obviously a ploy to see if Stone will cough up some dirt on Trump unrelated to hacking or Wikileaks.

    I don’t think it will work.

  518. Paul says:

    Most successful witch hunt since the Wizard of Oz.

  519. Robbie says:

    Damian Paletta
    @damianpaletta

    SHUTDOWN PROBLEMS SNOWBALLING: At least 14,000 unpaid IRS workers did not show up for work as broad disruption hits tax agency, according to House aides

  520. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 25, 2019 at 10:52 am
    jason says:
    January 25, 2019 at 9:41 am
    Looks like the only collusion was the FBI with CNN.
    – Watching Jason fraud morph into Tinfoil Tina is another sign of late stage Trumpism. Hopefully, a cure will be found before more people are lost to this disease.”
    LOL
    This from Amoral Scumbag who is on record as saying there was no collusion.
    But now he fully believes in it because all his leftwing MSM sources believes in it.
    Like I said, he would sell his mother into sexual bondage if he thought it would lower Trump’s approval by 1%.

    – Poor, Jason fraud. He’s lies so much in defense of Trump he can’t even remember what I have repeatedly said. Fortunately, I am willing to remind the Trump taint licker.

    I have consistently said, I doubt Trump personally conspired/colluded with anyone. I have also consistently said I believe people associated with Trump’s campaign did reach out to Russians or Russian entities in an effort to obtain emails or other damaging things.

    Nice try, Jason fraud, but you’re wrong again.

  521. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 25, 2019 at 10:19 am
    Robbie
    Good news since you are a conservative Republican!
    The Senate Judiciary Committee has a vote scheduled on Tuesday for AG and a whole bunch of Trump judicial nominees, including six for the circuit courts:
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/01/29/2019/executive-business-meeting
    Sounds like Graham isn’t allowing any grass to grow under his feet. I suppose the Dems will ask for a one week delay on some or all of them.(H/T: RRH)

    – I think this is my favorite attempt at misdirection by Trump sycophants like Sheeple Jr. (such a perfect name for a Trump toady). I have always praised the judicial selections made by this White House.

    I have also, however, noted that we’d have gotten these kinds of nominations from every other Republican nominee and done so without the overwhelming unpopularity that the worst presidency since James Buchanan brings to the table.

    But you just keep slurping your Orange Overlord Trump as he drives the party into a ditch and then shoots the survivors.

  522. Robbie says:

    Wobbles says:
    January 25, 2019 at 10:54 am
    Robbie
    Good news since you are a conservative Republican!”
    Huh, did you read where a porn star if accusing Trump of a one night stand 10 years before he became President?
    Focus man, focus.

    – I know Jason fraud’s life has been marked by major disappointment after major disappointment, but hiding behind parody screen names in an internet forum really is rock bottom. Hopefully, a cure for late-stage Trumpism can be found.

  523. Robbie says:

    Trump’s shutdown gambit is failing just as any sane person predicted.

    Zeke Miller
    @ZekeJMiller

    Per FAA, PHL airport is now affected by staffing issues at Washington Center. Shutdown impact spreading.

  524. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    24m
    GOP WI Sen Johnson says “Schumer blocked my attempt to pass the Shutdown Fairness Act that would have paid all federal employees who are working during the shutdown, including the air traffic controllers. Senator Schumer could have prevented this, and he needs to explain why”

    Schumah blocked pay for all fed workers.

  525. jason says:

    :Schumah blocked pay for all fed workers.”

    Of course he did.

    Amoral Scumbag and the trolls here are the only ones that believe the Dems care about federal workers.

    They are propaganda tools, nothing more.

  526. jason says:

    I have also, however, noted that we’d have gotten these kinds of nominations from every other Republican nominee”

    LOL

    Nobody told Amoral Scumbag that nominees don’t make judicial appointments, you have to actually be President.

    And the only person that could have won the 2016 race was Trump, unless Amoral Scumbag thinks Hillary would have appointed conservatives to the bench.

  527. Tina says:

    Stone bail set at $250,000.

    Pretty low amount, considering the raid.

    I mean I thought maybe with a raid, bail would have been withheld, or $1 million?

  528. Phil says:

    Schumer blocking pay for federal workers?

    No way, Jason. Wasn’t mentioned on CNN.

  529. jason says:

    Guy Benson:

    “Why did House Dems kill a GOP effort to pay federal workers during the partial shutdown? An aide called it a ‘stunt’ & ‘distraction.’

    Translation: We love talking about those folks, but getting them paid would hurt our leverage, so the pain must go on.”

    Good translation….

  530. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag should be outraged at the way Stone was arrested with advance notice to CNN, but since its “bad for Trump” and Stone is a conservative, it’s all good.

  531. Tina says:

    And blocked pay 3 times in the house too.

    All Rs supported.

    I believe ds lost 13.

  532. jason says:

    I have also consistently said I believe people associated with Trump’s campaign did reach out to Russians or Russian entities in an effort to obtain emails or other damaging things.”

    You have evidence that the Trump campaign ever received anything damaging on Hillary from Russians or Russian entities?

    In fact do you have any evidence that anyone in the Trump campaign “reached out to Russians” or “Russian entities” to obtain emails or other damaging things?

    There is plenty of evidence the Hillary campaign hired a foreign agent to dig up dirt on Trump.

  533. Proud Obamacon says:

    Friendly reminder: “I will shut down the government. I am proud to shut down the government. I will be the one to shut it down. I am not going to blame you for it. I will take the mantle of shutting it down.”
    — Donald Trump, 12/21/18

    #TRUMP.SHUTDOWN

  534. jason says:

    See if the pawns and propaganda tools get paid, Dems lose their trump card, “personal suffering”.

  535. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON, how is your man Maduro doing in your Marxist paradise?

    Who is left? Cuba and North Korea of shining examples of Marxist ideology?

  536. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason, the Pavlov Dog, strikes. Really fast response time today, he must be totally triggered by the coming RePUKE surrender on the wall.

    #RESIST!

  537. jason says:

    Friendly reminder:

    Nancy Pelosi:

    And we will keep the government shutdown so we can play politics as long as we think it benefits us.

    F–k the federal workers!

  538. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON really upset his hero, Nicolas Maduro, is in real trouble in socialist paradise.

    So I will go easy on him today.

    Poor bastard never recovered from the demise of the Soviet Union.

  539. jason says:

    Stone has been begging to be indicted for something for at least a year.

    He likes media attention and now he has it.

    I doubt his lawyer will get him to shut up, so we might see a lot of him on TV.

  540. Phil says:

    What, Robbie and PO are both on the day shift today? Usually they stagger it.

  541. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Nancy Pelosi:

    And we will keep the government shutdown so we can play politics as long as we think it benefits us.”

    Jason the Pavlov Dog: Care to provide an exact quote from Nancy as I did from your Orange Sex Fantasy?

    Since there is no such quote from Nancy, Jason the Pavlov Dog will do the Pavolovian thing and write something about Venezuela…..zzzzzzzzzzz

    #RESIST

  542. Mr. Magoo says:

    Nancy Pelosi is smokin’ hot.

  543. Marco Rubio says:

    Yes, Nanthy is thmoking hot! I would do a threethome with Nanthy and Donald Trump.

    Thank you for your thupport! The Meckthicans will stay in Meckthico

  544. Bitterlaw says:

    531 Robbie conveniently ignores that while any other Republican President MIGHT have appointed those judges, Hillary would not have appointed any of those judges. A Democrat elected President in 2020 would never appoint anybody but a flaming liberal as a judge.

  545. Proud Obamacon says:

    Deal coming with $0 dollars for penis (um .. wall). Groper to fold like a cheap suit.

    Nancy and Chuck have earned my respect. Good work geysers!

    #RESIST!

  546. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “UPDATE: Cloned monkeys’ genes deliberately edited to make mentally ill…”

    Great…now we will have a bunch of evil monkeys who are mentally ill to boot.

    Probably used federal tax dollars to do this breathtaking research?

  547. NYCmike says:

    “BREAKING: FAA says it is halting flights into New York’s LaGuardia airport due to air traffic control staffing issues.”

    -Send them back to the private sector, and they won’t get affected by government incompetence.

  548. NYCmike says:

    “SHUTDOWN PROBLEMS SNOWBALLING: At least 14,000 unpaid IRS workers did not show up for work as broad disruption hits tax agency, according to House aides”

    -This is a problem?

    Abolish the IRS!

  549. Cash Cow TM says:

    BREAKING…

    Michael Straw (salmon sports coat guy) is running for Media Borough Council…

  550. NYCmike says:

    “531 Robbie conveniently ignores that while any other Republican President MIGHT have appointed those judges, Hillary would not have appointed any of those judges. A Democrat elected President in 2020 would never appoint anybody but a flaming liberal as a judge.”

    -I love it when A-Holes become Trump-crotch-licking-sycophants!

    Isn’t that right, Robbie!?!?

  551. Proud Obamacon says:

    Any tweets from President coulter or President rush trying to veto?

  552. Proud Obamacon says:

    Coulter’s orange cuck got spanked by Nancy. You don’t mess with Nancy! LOL

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHH

  553. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Don’t get too excited. I still think Trump is scum but scum that gives me more than Hillary would ever do.

  554. NYCmike says:

    ” I still think Trump is scum ”

    -Have I ever said anything about your characterization of Trump?

    No, I have not. It doesn’t matter one bit to me.

    I do appreciate your vote for the Republican primary winner, especially in PA.

  555. NYCmike says:

    Jimmy Carter vs Trump?

    Carter is a wonderful person.

    Trump is scum.

    I’ll go with a Trump-type over a Carter-type for President every day of the week that ends with a -y.

  556. NYCmike says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-faces-backlash-after-claiming-trump-is-backing-coup-in-venezuela

    -In Robbie’s Pogo Loco residence, the IRS not showing up for work is more of an issue than this elected representative being on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

  557. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Technically, I did not vote FOR Trump. I voted AGAINST Hillary. Radnor has very special voting machines.

  558. lisab says:

    “I’m a 16-year-old blond. Probably all I have to do is cry, and they’re going to feel sorry for me,” Schumaker told her, referring to the jury.
    ——————————————

    Teenager sentenced to lengthy prison term for killing girlfriend’s 23-month-old son

  559. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    561. Robbie often makes very bizarre comments. There is something wrong there, and it goes beyond politics.

  560. lisab says:

    #570 yeah …

    but actually that is the norm at places like daily kos

  561. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow, total domination by Nancy and Chuck. Complete ownership of the Groper and Turtle. Not even in the same league, yall playing in the big leagues now!

    #RESIST!

  562. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nice victory lap by Chuck and Nancy, they kept it diplomatic. I would have talked SMACK to the Groper and Turtle just a little.. RESIST!!!!!

  563. Waingro says:

    Ann Coulter
    ?
    Verified account

    @AnnCoulter
    1h1 hour ago
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    Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

  564. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ruh Roh! President Coulter not happy! Maybe Groper can change his mind again and not sign? LOL

  565. Robbie says:

    HA!

    Where’s your Orange God now, MAGA morons?

    Not a penny for the wall. Sad!

    Nancy Pelosi just made Trump her b!tch!

    She wrecked him.

  566. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 25, 2019 at 12:33 pm
    What, Robbie and PO are both on the day shift today? Usually they stagger it.

    – Where’s your wall, Phil?

    Cry more.

  567. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    January 25, 2019 at 1:40 pm
    531 Robbie conveniently ignores that while any other Republican President MIGHT have appointed those judges, Hillary would not have appointed any of those judges. A Democrat elected President in 2020 would never appoint anybody but a flaming liberal as a judge.

    – I am extremely proud I did not vote for a scumbag like Trump. Are you proud you voted for him?

    And if you don’t want flaming liberal judges in 2020, don’t renominate Trump.

    And when we get liberal judges in 2020, it won’t be my fault. It will be the fault of the idiots who insisted we renominate Trump.

  568. CG says:

    “Remember those walls I built
    Well, baby, they’re tumbling down
    And they didn’t even put up a fight
    They didn’t even make a sound”
    — Beyoncé

  569. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 25, 2019 at 1:55 pm
    “BREAKING: FAA says it is halting flights into New York’s LaGuardia airport due to air traffic control staffing issues.”
    -Send them back to the private sector, and they won’t get affected by government incompetence.

    – NYCmike – “Let them eat cake”

    Your boy Trump caved like the b!tch he is.

  570. Phil says:

    Hmmmm. 575 and 576

    Anyone see any difference?

    Me neither.

    LOL

  571. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 25, 2019 at 3:10 pm
    561. Robbie often makes very bizarre comments. There is something wrong there, and it goes beyond politics.

    – LOL! This from a guy who spent the last two years telling me Rasmussen was a credible poll. That’s what I call bizarre.

  572. Waingro says:

    Ooph!

    Allahpundit
    ?

    @allahpundit
    14m14 minutes ago
    More Allahpundit Retweeted Evan McMurry
    Oh man. Still denying him TV time? She’s twisting the knife.

    Evan McMurry
    ?
    Verified account

    @evanmcmurry
    Follow Follow @evanmcmurry
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    SOTU on Tuesday? Pelosi doesn’t seem to think so:

    https://twitter.com/allahpundit/status/1088908970478239745

  573. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 25, 2019 at 4:28 pm
    Hmmmm. 575 and 576
    Anyone see any difference?
    Me neither.
    LOL

    – Trump just got wrecked by Nancy Pelosi. That’s what I see, Phil.

    It’s so pathetic to see you equate opposition to Trump as being liberal, but Trumpism causes people to claim weird things.

  574. Phil says:

    Exact same tone, exact same rhetoric, pal.

    You two guys need to get a room.

  575. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 25, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    Exact same tone, exact same rhetoric, pal.
    You two guys need to get a room.

    – Wah! Wah! Cry more, Phil. Trump’s scum and he got creamed by Pelosi. This whole shutdown strategy was pure idiocy. It was even dumber than Ted Cruz’s asinine shutdown in 2013.

    I knew this was an awful idea; I knew this would end badly; I knew this would result in catastrophic polling for Republican. Yet, the MAGA morons here ignored reality as they have for the last two years and continued to believe Trump was playing 87 dimensional chess. Well, the dipsh!t wasn’t even playing tic tac toe.

    So what if a liberal agrees my view? All that means is occasionally they get something right. But all of you who continue to put your faith in Trump continue to get nothing.

    Oh, and you’re still not getting the wall.

  576. Robbie says:

    Ha! He caved 24 hours later. MAGA!

    Charlie Spiering
    @charliespiering

    “We will not Cave!” Trump tweeted yesterday morning

  577. Phil says:

    Seriously, Robbie, show me the slightest difference between your posts and the PO drivel of the day. Any difference at all. I’ll hang up and listen. Good God.

    You and the liberal loon “occasionally” agree?? Did you actually type that with a straight face?

    Occasionally? Occasionally?? Good God, man. Do you ever even read what you spew over here?

    I’m going to have to leave for a bit but you and your moonbat buddy feel free to carry on with your celebration.

    Occasionally. That’s funny.

  578. Diamond Jim says:

    Phil – Exactly.

  579. NYCmike says:

    “– NYCmike – “Let them eat cake””

    -Robbie,

    My comment about the “private sector” was in reference to the fact that before 9/11, there was not a TSA, and the job they perform was handled by a private company.

    Am I incorrect in saying that?

    And you, as a “conservative Republican”, don’t you think it would be better to have that job handled in a different way, instead of being handled by government?

  580. Proud Obamacon says:

    “You two guys need to get a room.”

    It’s been a tough day for Phil. Him and Jason need a room. I see no difference between them two, on and MNW too. A threesome perhaps? LOL what looosahs.

    Thank you to Nancy and Chuck, the USA has hope, the dictator wanna be has been grounded!

    #USA.USA.USA

  581. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Anyone see any difference?”

    And in Nov 2020, there will be 70 million of us voting yalls ass out! Phil, Jason, and MNW should reserve a room for that night and claim we are all just one person LOL. It won’t be a fun night for them LOL. #RESIST!!!

  582. Proud Obamacon says:

    Man, just watching that video of Groper claiming credit for the coming shutdown. Chuck just sitting there smiling and letting the moron talk talk talk. He knew we won right at that moment.

    What a freaking moron to first let cameras in and then spew like he did .. Orange, you in the big leagues now little boy! LOL

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  583. Tina says:

    David French
    David French
    @DavidAFrench
    ·
    1h
    I have no regard for Roger Stone’s actions, and if he’s guilty of the crimes alleged, he should pay the full penalty, but I do not like the use of such overwhelming force to secure the arrest of a nonviolent criminal. They weren’t taking down El Chapo.

    And in many cases, another incompetent fbi head, Wrong Wray, beotching about Fib employees being home and unpaid, due to the shutdown. Yet, has no problem wasting Fib resources.

    Btw, Stone was never a flight risk and he never even had a passport.

  584. NYCmike says:

    “And in Nov 2020, there will be 70 million of us voting yalls ass out!”

    -That would be an impressive number!

    Make sure you spread it out to enough states…..after all, the Electoral College is still in effect!

  585. NYCmike says:

    I have to say – that was the most excitement that I ever saw a human being show on the internet!

    Fantastic job, Robbie!

  586. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1088903596253409280

    -Had to post this again, as someone posted it earlier.

    LEARN a lesson from this – Democrats are all about RAW POWER, and the only way to change that is to defeat them.

    Once again, it is clear why people like McCain and Romney lost – they looked at Democrats as the respectable political opposition.

    Hopefully, either with Trump, or any other person who really understands the stakes, 2020 turns out OK for Republicans.

  587. NYCmike says:

    “Your boy Trump caved like the b!tch he is.”

    -More evidence that he is, actually, a Republican!

  588. Tina says:

    SOTU is likely set for 2/5.

    They cannot do it this Tuesday.

    If she plays games with it, then he takes away her plane permanently. Actually. It is not a bad idea to ban those congressional junkets.

    No need to pay for Schiff for Brains trip to Brussels so that he can buy lingerie.

  589. dblaikie says:

    I have a question has PObamaCon ever posted an idea that was his own and not a talking point? Has Wormtongue ever responded to a post with any substance but instead brings up something six months ago that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

  590. Proud Obamacon says:

    db,

    Funny post seeing how HHR is nothing but an echo chamber of Orange talking points. Ask Jason, I only post about how I want to turn my great country into Venezuela. Sometimes I want to turn it into North Korea too LOL

    #RESIST!

  591. Tina says:

    James Woods
    James Woods
    @RealJamesWoods
    ·
    5h
    Arresting some old political hack in the night with seventeen armed SWAT agents is simply poor optics. Does anyone doubt that #RogerStone would have turned himself in at #Mueller’s request? This makes the #FBI look biased. That’s not good for the FBI, nor is it good for America.

  592. lisab says:

    now the wall’s fate hangs on scotus

    there will be no deal in the next three weeks

    and the hawaiian judge will rule emergencies unconstitutional

    and then …

    i think the chief justice won’t want to help trump, just my guess

  593. lisab says:

    of course if rbg dies before the decision, all bets are off

  594. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump made reference to his previous threats to declare a national emergency to secure the border, calling it a “very powerful weapon,” and noted that if no deal was reached to fund border security and construction of a wall before Feb. 15, the next date the government’s funding would run out, he would use his presidential powers to declare an emergency.

    “Walls should not be controversial,” he said. “As commander-in-chief, my highest priority is the defense of our great country.”

    He added: “We cannot surrender operational control over our nation’s borders to foreign cartels, traffickers and smugglers.””

    Appears Trump is still intent of building the wall.

  595. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    602. “Arresting some old political hack in the night with seventeen armed SWAT agents is simply poor optics.”

    What bothers me about it is that CNN was present. Why just one news organization? Does Mueller have a Hollywood agent. To just invite his favorite new organization makes him look like a political hack.

  596. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yall can all her Nancy F*cking Pelosi!

    What a total victory over the Orange Bully.

    #RESIST!

  597. Cash Cow TM says:

    BREAKING…

    Richard Ojeda 1%
    has announced he is suspending his race for the D nomination for POTUSA for 2020.

    he says despite THOUSANDS (?) of volunteers and lots of grass roots donations he simply cannot compete against the big names in the D party
    ###########################################
    Funny he did not think of that BEFORE he resigned his seat in the WV State Senate.

    smh

  598. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    608. Bernie Sanders apparently intends to announce in the coming days. Maybe the guy is angling to become his VP? lol

  599. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/usatodayvideo/status/1087447100886077440

    -“CG”, Robbie,

    “David-Duke-Lite” or Kamala?

    What’s your choice?

  600. NYCmike says:

    She speaks about “unity”……..”CG”, you saw the Kavanaugh hearings…….is this woman interested in unity?

  601. Proud Obamacon says:

    It’s good to be united against a sexual predator.

    #WORST.ADMINISTRATION.EVAHHH

  602. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    612. “It’s good to be united against a sexual predator.”

    Now you leave Bill Clinton alone. Also, Hillary did a excellent job of fending off any claims of sexual harassment against her husband, so don’t you go out and call her an “enabler”. We won’t even mention Anthony Weiner.

  603. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    612. By the way, believe the allegations against Trump involved a period of time when he was major Democratic donor. Did Schumer or Hillary ever raise any objection at the time when they took his campaign contributions?

  604. Proud Obamacon says:

    zzzzz We’re back to talking about the Clintons.. check and mate. Weak showing tonight yall, up your game.

    Good night

    Be better tomorrow. #RESIST!

  605. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree that the arrest of Stone was unnecessarily dramatic and forceful. He could have turned himself in.

    I also think some of the posters here would love it if Hillary was arrested with the same or more show of force.

  606. NYCmike says:

    “I also think some of the posters here would love it if Hillary was arrested with the same or more show of force.”

    -Let’s try a much simpler task:

    I would love to see Hillary questioned without having her principle accomplices riding shotgun, so that they all know what the other one said.

  607. JeffP says:

    The USA DOJ and FBI is corrupted and being used in plain sight of everyone to overturn an election. This will bring untold damage to our republic. There is no drain to drain the swamp. All the loonies on the left and equally corrupted media is stealing our country and many don’t even have clue. I am grateful for many warriors on the side of liberty and are not being deceived. I will pray and root for them everyday.

    Keep posting Tina.

  608. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The world’s progressive economic leaders will soon meet in Davos. They will address climate change, and combat those skeptics like the uncouth French peasants in their yellow jackets protesting high gas prices. Assume Al Gore will attend. Its estimated the world’s elite will fly to Davos on 1500 private jets.

    “David Attenborough might have urged world leaders at Davos to take urgent action on climate change, but it appears no one was listening. As he spoke, experts predicted up to 1,500 individual private jets will fly to and from airfields serving the Swiss ski resort this week.
    Political and business leaders and lobbyists are opting for bigger, more expensive aircrafts, according to analysis by the Air Charter Service, which found the number of private jet flights grew by 11% last year.
    “There appears to be a trend towards larger aircraft, with expensive heavy jets the aircraft of choice, with Gulfstream GVs and Global Expresses both being used more than 100 times each last year,” said Andy Christie, private jets director at the ACS.
    This is partly due to the long distances travelled, he said, “but also possibly due to business rivals not wanting to be seen to be outdone by one another”. Last year, more than 1,300 aircraft flights were recorded at the conference, the highest number since ACS began recording private jet activity in 2013.”

  609. lisab says:

    sdc,

    global temperatures are influenced by … surprise surprise …

    the sun.

    the last seventy years have seen the most active sunspot activity since sunspots have been tracked … since the 1650’s.

    now the sun is going into a quieter phase … and temperatures have leveled off.

  610. jason says:

    I agree that the arrest of Stone was unnecessarily dramatic and forceful. He could have turned himself in.

    I also think some of the posters here would love it if Hillary was arrested with the same or more show of force.”

    I certainly would, considering Hillary is actually a real criminal.

  611. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason proves my point. Hillary is also older and not as healthy as Stone,

  612. Messy says:

    617. About what? The friggen’ emails? The phony uranium thing? Having helped run a world-class charity? What?

    621. Again how is she a “real” criminal?

    On another note, it’s interesting how Nunes is refusing to appoint anyone from his party to the Intelligence committee, thereby stopping a reopened investigation. Putting party above country again.

  613. Messy says:

    617. About what? The friggen’ emails? The phony uranium thing? Having helped run a world-class charity? What?

    621. Again how is she a “real” criminal?

    On another note, it’s interesting how Nunes is refusing to appoint anyone from his party to the Intelligence committee, thereby stopping a reopened investigation. Putting party above country again.

    618 You say that the “corrupt media is stealing the country” From Who?, may i ask.

  614. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #623- Messy
    WOW, if your comment about Nunes is accurate, kudos to him for such a Power Move.

    If you do not believe the Clintons, and Madam Clinton in particular, are not sleazy grifters and criminals, then, in addition to your lack of intelligence, you are deaf and blind.

  615. Messy says:

    Sorry about the double post. I just got a new computer and it’s a bit wonky.

    618. You say the corrupt media is trying to overturn an election.

    I take it you believe that Trump was elected by a popular landslide hidden by tens of millions of illegal votes.

    I take it you believe there is no gerrymandering and that the 40 seat gain by the Democrats was only due to ballot stuffing by illegal aliens.

    Most warriors on the side of liberty are Democrats, and Nancy Pelosi is one of them.

  616. Phil says:

    Pelosi believes in liberty? That’s a good one. She like all Democrats in this era believe in more power to the state and more and more government regulation of people’s daily lives. It couldn’t be further from any belief in liberty.

  617. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Yep those warriors on the side of liberty are gun grabbing, Catholic hating, anti-Semitic, idea censoring heroes! (sarc)

    Messy, your post at 626 may be the most delusional one on HHR over the past year.

    Lastly, when did you become a mind-reader? How can you read Jeff’s mind in #626.

  618. jason says:

    Pelosi is not for liberty.

    She is for a nanny state.

    She is against free enterprise, free markets, personal responsibility. She is for a big government that will take care of all your needs and make all decisions for you.

    It’s easy to see why an ignorant person like Messy would find that attractive.

    Pelosi is as far as from “liberty” as you could get.

  619. jason says:

    Having helped run a world-class charity?”

    LOL

  620. jason says:

    For Messy’s education, although that is a losing cause..

    “Scam Exposed: Donations To Clinton Foundation Plummeted After Clinton Lost The Election

    11/23/2018

    Corruption: Throughout the presidential campaign there was plenty of talk about whether the Clinton Foundation was a legitimate charity or a pay-to-play scam. The latest financial data from the charity provides the answer.

    Controversy over the foundation erupted after Peter Schweizer’s 2015 book — “Clinton Cash” — suggested that the foundation served as a way for donors to curry favor with then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
    Coincidences?

    And, indeed, the multitude of connections that slowly turned out became hard to dismiss as coincidental. There was the fact that 85 of the 154 private interests who’d met with Clinton during her tenure at state were Clinton Foundation donors.

    Emails turned up showing how the foundation intervened to arrange a meeting between Clinton and the Crown Prince of Bahrain, a country that had been a major foundation donor. A Chicago commodities trader who donated $100,000 to the foundation got a top job on a State Department arms control panel, despite having no experience in the area. On and on it went.

    Earlier this year, news broke that the FBI was investigating whether the foundation violated tax laws by converting donations to personal or political uses. In December, Republicans plan to hold a hearing into the probe, before handing control of the House to Democrats.

    Throughout all this, the Clinton’s and their defenders insisted that foundation was doing great work for mankind. It was helping the poor and sick around the world. It got top ratings from charity rating agencies. They said there wasn’t any hard evidence of wrongdoing.

    Donations Evaporate

    But the most glaring indictment of the Clinton Foundation came from what happened last year, after Hillary Clinton lost the election — and effectively ended her political career.

    First, the Clinton’s almost immediately shuttered the Clinton Global Initiative and laid off 22 employees.

    Now, fresh financial documents show that contributions and grants to the Clinton Foundation plunged since Hillary lost her election bid. They dropped from $216 million in 2016 to just $26.5 million in 2017 — a stunning 88% fall. Throughout Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State, the foundation pulled in an average of $254 million a year. (See the nearby chart below for a timeline.)

    If the Clinton Foundation was as good as defenders claimed, why did all its big-time donors suddenly lose interest? The only reasonable explanation is that donors weren’t interested in what the foundation supposedly did for humanity. They were interested in the political favors they knew their money would buy.”

  621. dblaikie says:

    Calling Nancy Pelosi a champion of liberty is about the stupidest comment that I have read here. And it is hard to top Wormtongue and ProudOC. Let’s see, though, she is champion of getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. And she is also someone who would like to police free speech. Top with that her belief that power should be vested in the Government and not the people, and you have an old tired Socialist pretending to like freedom.

  622. dblaikie says:

    The day Trump said that he would be “proud” to “own” a shutdown made yesterday’s deal inevitable. However, I still stand that with his compromise offer last week he turned the corner. Despite the early damage, he remarkably comes out looking like the adult in the room. Any victory that Nancy and Chucky are droning about is a pyrrhic victory.

    In 3 weeks two things could happen. A deal gets made with border security (not much of a chance) or Trump declares a national emergency. In both cases he wins. Because as President he has declared an emergency the court case will be expedited up to the Supremes. But more than that he will solidify, even more, his rock solid base — he did everything he could to build the wall.

    And the other silver lining is that he will deliver his State of the Union Address, where in that forum, with Nancy right behind him, looking like a hag with makeup, he can take his case to the people. And it could be a bonus if Ocasia Cortez or others like her act like themselves.

  623. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – Only you could spin this as a positive for Trump. I think he did what was necessary when the airports started shutting down but that was clearly not a good moment for Trump. It was bad. The reality is Trump promised his base A WALL. Pelosi and Schumer promised their supporters NO WALL. Who looks better today?

  624. Bitterlaw says:

    I never expected a WALL. Federal judges were enough for me.

  625. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, you need to read my post. I said Trump made a bad mistake at the beginning of this whole mess — but he turned the corner. I also said that Pelosi and Chuck had a victory albeit a pyrrhic one. I will admit one other thing — he should have listened to Lindsey Graham two weeks and taken this option — why — because like I say he looks like the adult among a bunch of kids.

    I also stand by my thinking that if he declares a emergency or if he gets a deal with border funding he will be fine with the base. They will see that he did everything he could to keep his promise in the swamp.

    Now if he allows the Government to be shut down again — that would be a huge mistake.

    Finally it is a positive that he will give a State of the Union address in the House Chamber. In a sky filled with clouds that is silver lining.

    So Bitter, Trump errored big time with his I own the shut-down and yesterday, like I insinuated, was the price. But you don’t have to agree with me, he still turned a corner.

    This is just one battle in a long war, and if those of us who support a strong border have to endure a another defeat, I am at least glad the victory on the other side cost them more than it was worth.

  626. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, by the way I am touched by “only you could spin this” as a preacher that is the highest compliment you could give me.

  627. Messy says:

    626. Peter Schweizer’s 2015 book — “Clinton Cash” was a novel. The FBI investigated and found nothing.

    The Clinton Global Initiative was a twelve year effort and at the end, in 2015, it ended. So of COURSE it was shut down.

    With the end of the project, the foundation didn’t need the money anymore. BTW…If you have a long quote from an article, please post a link. Or is it from InfoWars or Britebart?

  628. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Yep those warriors on the side of liberty are gun grabbing, Catholic hating, anti-Semitic, idea censoring heroes! (sarc)”

    Hey Sheep, I think we found your liberty-haters! LOL

    Groper: I will take guns and then due process comes later

    Groper: Great people on both sides [including those who chant “Jews will not replace us”]

    Groper: Shut down any news agency the says mean things about me!

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  629. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #638- Messy
    Your post contains three(3) baldfaced lies. To wit:
    “Clinton Cash” was non-fiction and well documented.
    The Clinton Foundation is currently under investigation by the US Attorney’s Office in Little Rock, AR.
    The Clinton Foundation is still alive although its receipts have gone down by more than 80% since Mrs. Clinton lost in 2016. It was nothing more than a “slush fund” for the Clinton grifters and their acolytes with a veneer of “doing good deeds”.
    When Mrs. Clinton was SOS, the Foundation placed Huma, Mills and other cronies on its Board to supplement their government salary. And it paid a chunk of money toward Princess Chelsea’s wedding.
    The Clinton Foundation and its affiliates stole lots of money from the Haiti Earthquake relief funds. The Haitians know it and hate the Clintons to the point they do voodoo rituals against them.

  630. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sheep is just a typical Orange Worshipper who constantly obsesses about the Clintons … zzzzzzz

    #RESIST

  631. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 25, 2019 at 5:05 pm
    Seriously, Robbie, show me the slightest difference between your posts and the PO drivel of the day. Any difference at all. I’ll hang up and listen. Good God.
    You and the liberal loon “occasionally” agree?? Did you actually type that with a straight face?
    Occasionally? Occasionally?? Good God, man. Do you ever even read what you spew over here?
    I’m going to have to leave for a bit but you and your moonbat buddy feel free to carry on with your celebration.
    Occasionally. That’s funny.

    – Trump is scum and I’m not going to contort my views or throw away my integrity to support him. If that’s something you feel comfortable doing from time to time, great. I don’t feel comfortable doing it and I’m not going to do it.

    Honestly, I don’t really care whether some liberal in this forum agrees with my views or not. Obviously, you don’t seem to care your views match those of NYCmike, the ultimate Tea Party deadender. If you did, you’d change your mind since you claim not to support the worst instinct of the Tea Party deadenders candidates who have cost Republicans so many Senate seats over the last decade.

    But by all means, Phil. Keep saying it’s those who won’t bow to his worst instinct and incompetent governance who are the problem and not the maniac who continues to lead the Republican Party into political ambush after political ambush. Fealty to Trump really worked well in November 2018, didn’t it?

  632. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 25, 2019 at 6:30 pm
    “Your boy Trump caved like the b!tch he is.”
    -More evidence that he is, actually, a Republican!

    – Absolutely. I am a Republican. That’s why I could so easily see through the phoniness of Trump. Something you’ve been unable to do, by the way. A real Republican understands that Trump is a fake, a fraud, and phony. And a real Republican, someone who wants to actually win in 2020, understands the only way to do so is to make sure Trump is not on the ballot.

    Of course, I’m not the least bit surprised you equate opposition to Trump as being something other than a Republican. You have a long history of being conned by fakes and frauds so your ability to discern who is and isn’t a Republican is laughably awful.

    And yes, I’m going to revel in Trump’s colossal failure because it was an asinine strategy and it was entirely predictable Trump would fail as miserably as he did yesterday. And with any luck, his failure yesterday, will make him that much more vulnerable to a primary challenger who can defeat him and then win the general election in 2020.

  633. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The liberal media’s favorite senator Mitt Romney’s take on the wall:

    “SALT LAKE CITY — Sen. Mitt Romney says President Donald Trump called Democrats’ bluff in making a short-term deal to reopen the federal government to work out an agreement to fund border security and avoid another shutdown.

    “This decision to reopen government for three weeks basically says to the Democrats, ‘OK, now put up or shut up,'” the Utah Republican said.

    Democrats have repeatedly called for ending the shutdown so 800,000 federal workers can start collecting paychecks again while congressional leaders and the president negotiate a final agreement.

    “So the president calls their bluff and says, ‘OK, we’ll open government. Now it’s your turn to actually come up with a deal that helps us secure the border,'” Romney said.

    Trump announced an end to the 35-day impasse Friday, but warned that if money for a wall isn’t part of an agreement by Feb. 15, he could still declare an emergency on the southern border to get the funding.”

    The leftist meltdown when Trump issues the national emergency order to build the wall will be epic.

  634. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    653. Hey Robbie, who were the last Republican presidential and senate candidates you voted for?

  635. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 25, 2019 at 6:39 pm
    I have a question has PObamaCon ever posted an idea that was his own and not a talking point? Has Wormtongue ever responded to a post with any substance but instead brings up something six months ago that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

    – How about a post from 8 days ago then? Every word of this was wrong and laughably so.

    dblaikie says:
    January 18, 2019 at 4:43 pm
    Trump has totally destroyed Nancy with this stuff with the SOTU and her trip to Europe. No one, I mean no knew that she was going to leave the country for seven days while 800000 furloughed people would have to miss another paycheck. But the brilliant move was for Trump to cancel the trip he was going to take to the Party (I mean Summit) in Davos. Because of her overreach over the speech, have revealed themselves to be like the Emperor with no clothes. I look for the polls, at least the honest ones to change in the next week about who is to blame for the continued Shutdown.

  636. Proud Obamacon says:

    “The leftist meltdown when Trump issues the national emergency order to build the wall will be epic.”

    Such delusion. Please please pleeeeeeeeeeease declare the emergency! I am begging you pleeeze. LOL

    #Worst.President.Evahhh

  637. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 25, 2019 at 8:38 pm
    https://twitter.com/usatodayvideo/status/1087447100886077440
    -“CG”, Robbie,
    “David-Duke-Lite” or Kamala?
    What’s your choice?

    – How many miles of wall were built yesterday? When does the RAISE Act go into effect?

  638. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    631. Agree with you Jason, the Clinton Foundation was political slush fund. While Clinton was Secretary of State, Bill Clinton was, in effect, shaking down foreign leaders for donations. It was a racket. Both Bill and Hillary belong in jail.

    Only a small percentage of the Foundation’s money went to charity. Most of the money when for six figure salaries for staffers, who were political hacks trying to further Hlllary’s political career.

  639. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 26, 2019 at 9:39 am
    The day Trump said that he would be “proud” to “own” a shutdown made yesterday’s deal inevitable. However, I still stand that with his compromise offer last week he turned the corner. Despite the early damage, he remarkably comes out looking like the adult in the room. Any victory that Nancy and Chucky are droning about is a pyrrhic victory.

    – Have you ever considered a career in comedy because this is LOL funny?

    You are the Bill Mitchell of Trump supporters in this forum. Congrats, I guess.

  640. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    647. “Such delusion. Please please pleeeeeeeeeeease declare the emergency! I am begging you pleeeze. LOL”

    Be patient. Its coming soon.

  641. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Hey Robbie. You have not answered my question, who were the last Republican presidential and senate candidate your voted for?

  642. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 26, 2019 at 11:41 am
    653. Hey Robbie, who were the last Republican presidential and senate candidates you voted for?

    -1996- I voted for Bob Dole, Mitch McConnell, and Anne Northup

    1998- I voted for Jim Bunning and Anne Northup

    2000- I voted for GWB and Anne Northup

    2002- I voted for Mitch McConnell and Anne Northup

    2004- I voted for GWB and Anne Northup

    2006- I voted for Anne Northup

    2008- I voted for John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and Anne Northup

    2010- I voted for Rand Paul and Todd Lally

    2012- I voted for Mitt Romney and whoever was the 3rd district nominee In KY

    2014- I voted for Mitch McConnell and whoever was the 3rd district nominee

    2016- I wrote in Ronal Reagan, voted for Rand Paul, and whoever was the 3rd district nominee

    2018- I voted for whoever was the 3rd district nominee.

  643. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Be patient. Its coming soon.”

    Thanks, can’t wait! Bring.It.

    #RESIST!

  644. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 26, 2019 at 11:51 am
    647. “Such delusion. Please please pleeeeeeeeeeease declare the emergency! I am begging you pleeeze. LOL”
    Be patient. Its coming soon.

    – And then in 2021 when a Democrat declares a state of emergency to institute gun control or single payer health care. every conservative will do what? Say it’s ok since Trump did it for a stupid wall?

  645. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And then in 2021 when a Democrat declares a state of emergency to institute gun control or single payer health care. every conservative will do what? Say it’s ok since Trump did it for a stupid wall?”

    Shhh.. Shut up, man. Jesus Christ

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  646. Tina says:

    He may have to,wait for another appointment to the sc before doing a national emergency. While he has the ability to declare one, you never know how Rino Roberts will swing,

    Another bush error.

  647. Wes says:

    You know, in 655, Robbie has a point. Whatever Dem beats Trump next year can use the exact same logic Trump is using for his wall to establish leftist policy by circumventing the legislative process if Trump sets the precedent now.

    I would rather not see the US become Haiti under the Duvaliers, but apparently others have no problem starting down that road for Trump to score political points on this wall.

    The same people hoping Trump will do this were rightly outraged when Obama abused his executive authority. Now that Trump is doing it they’re either openly supportive of it or at least receptive to the idea.

  648. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    659. “Whatever Dem beats Trump next year can use the exact same logic Trump is using for his wall to establish leftist policy by circumventing the legislative process if Trump sets the precedent now.”

    That train left the station a long time ago. Obama basically governed through executive orders, and did the Iranian deal and Paris climate agreement though the executive branch. On national security issues the executive branch has operated independently for some time in military operations.

    A state of emergency to enact gun control would run into Second Amendment issues; and where is the executive branch going to get the hundreds of billions of dollars to enact single payer — it requires a new tax regiment — which the president it needs congress to approve under the Constitution.

  649. Wes says:

    So in other words because Obama did it Trump can continue the policy of the banana republic dictator.

    Also, we know no leftist Hawaiian judge would ever back a state of emergency-justified confiscation of guns.

    Single payer is more far fetched, but given attempts already by the Obama Administration to confiscate guns the next Dem President would easily go full-court press to achieve what Obama tried to do. While Trump has moved the judiciary to the right and will continue to do so through next year I’m not certain we’ve reached the point where federal hjudges would consistently rule against such an unconstitutional act.

    Saying because Obama did it Trump should do it is also a weak argument.

    I guess even conservatives now are moving from the rule of law under the Constitution to “Might makes right” and “The ends justify the means.”

  650. Wes says:

    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

    —Daniel Webster

  651. Phil says:

    I’m not in favor of the national Emergency approach to get 200 more miles of fencing. It will be blocked by some liberal district judge or certainly the 9th Circuit anyway.

    I hear what you say, Wes about it being used by a DemocraticPresident in the future to enact some leftist agenda, probably Kamala in 2021. Of course, she’ll do that anyway – just like the Democrats will nuke the filibuster once they capture all three branches of government.

    The government is open. Democrats have been claiming they want to negotiate. Ok, Nancy. Put up or shut up. The country is watching.

  652. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 26, 2019 at 12:32 pm
    That train left the station a long time ago. Obama basically governed through executive orders, and did the Iranian deal and Paris climate agreement though the executive branch. On national security issues the executive branch has operated independently for some time in military operations

    A state of emergency to enact gun control would run into Second Amendment issues; and where is the executive branch going to get the hundreds of billions of dollars to enact single payer — it requires a new tax regiment — which the president it needs congress to approve under the Constitution.

    – So we’re going with a derivative of the “what about Obama?” argument I see. Of course, that will end in tears. And by the way, the Supreme Court stopped a lot of what Obama tried to do through executive orders.

    Second, where will Congress get the money for health care? They’ll raise taxes. Whichever Democrat wins in 2020 is likely going to have control of both the House and the Senate because Trump’s approval rating is so low that he’ll drag down all kinds of Republican Senators just as he did in 2018 in the House.

    A unpopular wall (check the polling) is not worth the consequences of giving Democrats this unchecked power in the future.

  653. Tina says:

    ome experts also believe the president would invoke 10 U.S. Code Section 2808 and 33 U.S. Code Section 2293, which allows the use of “armed forces to undertake military construction projects, and the termination or deferment of Army civil works projects and using those resources to undertake other construction essential to national defense,” PolitiFact reported.

    This is an end around to the National Emegency, the military is there building barriers.

  654. Wes says:

    666 appropriately.

  655. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    661. Welcome to the real world that has existed for some time. I don’t necessarily consider myself a conservative, am middle-of-the-road and registered as an independent. Am not a big fan of the wall, we already have one along the border in San Diego. Narcotics are increasingly supplied by drones, tunnels and hidden in vehicles crossing the border. It might help prevent illegal immigrant to an extent, but it will still take place. But it is a national security issue, so could be upheld by the courts.

    The Supreme Court would ultimately make any decision regarding gun rights. The Hawaiian judge was able to prevent the operation of a statute; but ordering the confiscation of guns nationally is problematic to put it mildly. Other judges would block it in their jurisdictions. Probably higher courts would issues stays on the order until it was heard by the Supreme Court.

  656. Phil says:

    While I don’t favor Trump playing the national emergency card on fencing (it’s futile) Idon’t think the reason not to is because it sets the precedent for Democrats to use the same path. Surely, Robbie you have to understand that Kamala is going to do so anyway – just like Obama.

  657. Tina says:

    Only civil strife in Burundi is a national emergency.

    Jebot.

  658. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, when President Kennedy ordered a blockage of Cuba, I don’t recollect congress taking any action — despite the fact that we came close to nuclear war. A president has always been given a lot of discretion in matters deemed national security threats.

  659. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Only civil strife in Burundi is a national emergency.”

    If the president deemed it so, he could send American troops as part of a peace keeping mission without congressional approval.

  660. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 26, 2019 at 12:55 pm
    While I don’t favor Trump playing the national emergency card on fencing (it’s futile) Idon’t think the reason not to is because it sets the precedent for Democrats to use the same path. Surely, Robbie you have to understand that Kamala is going to do so anyway – just like Obama.

    – Of course, she will. But at least we’ll have the high ground to argue against the move by opposing Trump and hopefully convincing him not to do it. And by opposing it now, it could sway the Supreme Court in a future argument.

    If Republicans just roll over for Trump and say a fake national emergency declaration to go around the Congress is ok, the Supreme Court might decide any move by Harris is simply a political dispute. But if Republicans hold the high ground by opposing it now, it might be easier for the Supreme Court to say a move by Harris would be a power grab.

    Regardless, just because a future Democrat might do something that’s wrong doesn’t mean Republicans should go ahead and do it now.

  661. Wes says:

    In other words, SDC, you’re fine with presidential overreach so long as it’s presidential overreach you like. You just hope the courts will block the overreach you don’t like. I’m glad you’re on record indicating that.

    Welcome to the new United States—aka, Haiti post 1957. When people on the right begin advocating banana republic-style means of getting what they want I have to shake my head.

    I sincerely hope Trump doesn’t even consider using the state of emergency route to try to get his wall.

  662. Tina says:

    Yes, Sdc, Obama declared the strife there a national emergency and diverted funds there in 2015.

    Of course, nobody said anything, including the Clinton .groupie.

  663. Tina says:

    The president can:

    1) Declare a national emergency pursuant to 50 USC § 1621
    2) Invoke 33 USC § 2293 and 10 USC § 2808 for the specific emergency powers necessary to allocating funding and personnel to build the wall.

  664. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Yes, Sdc, Obama declared the strife there a national emergency and diverted funds there in 2015.”

    So the president on grounds of national security can send peacekeepers to Burundi, but cannot on the same grounds secure our own borders.

  665. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 26, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    By the way, when President Kennedy ordered a blockage of Cuba, I don’t recollect congress taking any action — despite the fact that we came close to nuclear war. A president has always been given a lot of discretion in matters deemed national security threats.

    – If you’re comparing the threat of nuclear war (a genuine national emergency) to immigrants illegally crossing the border to look for jobs, then you’ve lost the plot.

    Trump is not trying to build a wall because he believes there is a national emergency. He’s trying to build a wall so he can fulfill a campaign promise he believes is necessary to keep his base behind him.

    Trump is trying to deal with a political emergency of his own making. He’s not trying to deal a genuine national emergency.

  666. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – It is amazing how Obama supporters and Trump supporters have such hatred of each other but can justify the same actions while claiming their intentions are pure and the other side is evil. Executive Orders were bad. Now they are good. National Emergency declarations are good but will be bad when a Democrat uses it.

  667. Tina says:

    Using Jebot logic, Sdc, that would be correct.

    The jebots ignore the statutes I provided as well as Article III while stupidly mention Truman, who could not cite any statutory language.

  668. Wes says:

    Maybe I missed it, but other than CCCP I don’t recall any support for Obama’s executive overreach from 2009 to 2016. Maybe you can post quotes from non-liberal Hedgehoggers who backed Obama’s action in Burundi for me, SDC.

  669. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    673. “When people on the right begin advocating banana republic-style means of getting what they want I have to shake my head.”

    U.S. presidents have been empowered to act on national security issues since at least the end of WWII.

    There are people on this board who would disagree with any claim that I am right-wing. Believe I was referred to as a liberal several days ago.

  670. Tina says:

    I still think the other way is better, and the best option would be congresssional agreement.

    It would be best if he went national emegency that we had a sixth judge in place, given Roberts.

  671. Proud Obamacon says:

    “By the way, when President Kennedy ordered a blockage of Cuba, I don’t recollect congress taking any action — despite the fact that we came close to nuclear war. A president has always been given a lot of discretion in matters deemed national security threats.”

    Right, because having thousands of nukes ready to launch just 90 miles from our shores is the same as mamas and kids escaping oppression.

    The level of stupid here is incredible, yall gonna lower my IQ. Time for a break from yall. I’ll check back in tonight. Up your game.

    #RESIST!

  672. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    680. Wes, I backed Obama’s action in Burundi.

  673. Wes says:

    That’s why I posted this quote upthread, Bitter:

    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

    —Daniel Webster

  674. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    January 26, 2019 at 1:07 pm
    “Yes, Sdc, Obama declared the strife there a national emergency and diverted funds there in 2015.”
    So the president on grounds of national security can send peacekeepers to Burundi, but cannot on the same grounds secure our own borders.

    – Posse Comitatus

  675. Wes says:

    Well, then at least you’re consistent, SDC, unlike the other Trump supporters who howled about what Obama did but now can’t back what Trump does in the same vein vigorously enough.

  676. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    January 26, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    Using Jebot logic, Sdc, that would be correct.
    The jebots ignore the statutes I provided as well as Article III while stupidly mention Truman, who could not cite any statutory language.

    – Solicitor General Tinfoil has spoken.

  677. Tina says:

    The Secure Fences Act of 2006 can also be cited by trump as statutory language.

    It is not the Presidents fault that congress gave up some of its authority in the first place,

  678. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    687. I strongly backed Obama’s action in Iraq and Syria against ISIS, and was strongly opposed to Trump’s attempt to abandon the Kurds. It it had happened, would have strongly opposed Trump’s renomination.

  679. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, after 9-11 there were major changes made involving border security. The existing wall in San Diego was actually strengthened, concrete barriers installed, access points were blocked. It was a major redo. Don’t believe any of these actions required congressional approval.

  680. Tina says:

    The Truman mention is also stupid, Truman issued an executive order. The National Emergencies
    Act did not exist until 1976.

    Truman could not point to any statutory language for the seizure.

  681. Tina says:

    CNN star host Chris Cuomo: “It doesn’t have to be a crime to be impeachable”

    It is up,to congress to define it.

  682. Wes says:

    If Trump wanted this wall he could have done what successful Presidents such as Reagan and both Roosevelts did to build popular support for their policies:

    He could have pitched it and repeatedly explained his position, thus building support from the grass roots up.

    Instead the President committed a simultaneous pair of unforced errors: He started the shutdown when Dems were still on the sidelines and in a Walter Mondale moment took all blame on himself.

    This negated entirely any negotiating advantage he would have had.

    While I gave Trump relatively high marks for his address to the nation and compared him favorably to the disastrous response by Schumer and Pelosi it didn’t move the needle much because of Trump’ Own missteps and the immediate problems Americans affected directly by the shutdown were feeling. That drowned out his entire message.

    Now his supporters are desperately talking about states of emergency and EOs and blindly downplaying the long-term effects of such shortsighted policy making.

    It never had to be this way. All Trump had to do was prepare and stick to a coherent strategy to achieve his endgame.

    He didn’t. Now here we are with nothing gained and Trump forced to back down when the situation became untenable.

  683. Wes says:

    Chris Cuomo is an idiot, Tina. The Constitution explicitly describes impeachable acts as “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

  684. Tina says:

    He also trusted to much in Mitchie and Paulo to provide the money,

    I believe the cr signing in January of 2018 or sometimes around that time, they assured him that they would include it.

    We Republicans wasted 2 years for the border money,

  685. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    ·
    19h
    BREAKING: Mueller’s indictment of Stone clears Trump of Russia “collusion” on Page 4 by noting senior Trump campaign officials did NOT know WikiLeaks had “stolen DNC emails” or when they would release them, and did NOT know what other information they had on the Clinton campaign

    Jebots crushed.

  686. lisab says:

    “So in other words because Obama did it Trump can continue the policy of the banana republic dictator.”

    they will do it …

    the dems are going to put into place whatever changes they need to do to ensure they never lose again

  687. lisab says:

    It is not the Presidents fault that congress gave up some of its authority in the first place,
    ———————–

    sctus has ample reasons to support trump

    roberts just does not like him

    and has ample reasons to reject trump … he could simply send it back down to the hawaiian judge … which would stop the wall until 2020

  688. lisab says:

    Yes, Venezuela Is a Socialist Catastrophe
    In the age of A.O.C., the lesson must be learned again. — ny times
    ———————————-

    word is going out from the billionaires …

    don’t let the dems pick a radical aoc type

  689. George says:

    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii

    Mark Meadows: If Obama Sent $1.8 Billion to the Iranians, I Didn’t Appropriate That – Trump Can Find Money for Border Wall

  690. lisab says:

    it will come down to the judges

    an obama friendly judge will definitely stop the wall

    and then it will be up to scotus

    who very possibly won’t support trump

  691. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes & SoHope
    The sad rumors about NC CD-3 Republican Congressman Walter Jones has been confirmed. He has been admitted into a hospice.

    https://www.witn.com/content/news/FIRST-ON-WITN-Congressman-Walter-Jones-in-hospice-504916912.html

  692. Paul says:

    The $1.8 billion was not appropriated because it wasn’t US treasury funds. We were technically returning Iran’s money.

  693. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    702. “it will come down to the judges
    an obama friendly judge will definitely stop the wall and then it will be up to scotus who very possibly won’t support trump”

    Good summary.

  694. Messy says:

    701. It was Iranian money in the first place. So what are you going to do George? Freeze Mexico’s gold reserves and transfer it to ours, and then spend the cash on the wall?

  695. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Does anyone other than the trolls at this site disagree with the great legal mind Andrew McCarthy about the Mueller investigation as it currently stands?:

    “What I get from all of this,” he said as he warmed up, “and I’m coming at this as somebody who has known and respected Bob Mueller and a number of the people on his staff who are very able lawyers, so I want to give this thing the benefit of the doubt.” The preliminaries out of the way, he recalled, “they were asked to get to the bottom of what Russia did to interfere with the election, which is a worthy cause. But that’s camouflage, it seems to me, for what has become a clown show.”

    NR has placed Andy’s current NR column behind its paywall this morning. He writes: “What matters is this: The indictment is just the latest blatant demonstration that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office, the Department of Justice, and the FBI have known for many months that there was no such [criminal “collusion”] conspiracy. And yet, fully aware that the Obama administration, the Justice Department, and the FBI had assiduously crafted a public narrative that Trump may have been in cahoots with the Russian regime, they have allowed that cloud of suspicion to hover over the presidency — over the Trump administration’s efforts to govern — heedless of the damage to the country….”

  696. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    707. “they have allowed that cloud of suspicion to hover over the presidency”

    Believe Mueller will continue his investigation as long as possible to influence the 2020 election.

  697. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Oh the Democratic civil war begins. Hillary attacks the left:

    “Hillary Clinton about the attacks on Kamala Harris: “It feeds into sexism and misogyny. She’s being attacked by the left. Enough. If you don’t want to support Democrats, go somewhere else.””

    Sure Bernie will have a fine response.

  698. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, Democratic congress member Ilhan Omar, the darling of the left, apparently asked for clemency for nine individuals who were trying to leave the U.S. and fight for ISIS in Syria.

    So the troll Democratic position seems to be its wrong for the U.S. to pull its troops out of Syria, but its also wrong for the U.S. to sentence individuals who want to go to Syria to kill American troops to long prison terms.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-ilhan-omar-plea-for-lenient-sentences-for-men-accused-of-trying-to-join-isis-resurface

  699. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #708- SDC
    Add this Democrat attorney Jonathan Turley’s article to the one by Andrew McCarthy and this all begins to sound like a witch hunt:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/25/roger-stone-charges-indictment-richard-nixon-what-do-politician-column/2678017002/

  700. Tina says:

    Wow, McCarty was pro, Mulehead.

    I believe they were best friends,

    It has become a clown show, especially when the fib sends 29 agents to stones house. Stone poses no flight risk. At the same time, the fib director, Wrong Wray, is beotching about the shutdown and resources,

  701. dblaikie says:

    Just the usual Wormtongue method: Put up a quote of the person you want to attack. Don’t respond to the substance of the post but just attack with hyperbole without any reasoned arguement. End with a personal slur (most of the time). Wormtongue is a moron.

  702. Wes says:

    US Representative Walter Jones (R-NC) is in hospice care. It seems NC will have two looming special congressional elections, though NC-3 is an almost guaranteed hold while everyone knows the situation here.

    I wish his family well. This must be a trying time for them.

  703. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren proposes ‘wealth tax’ on Americans with more than $50 million in assets
    ——————–

    and right on schedule warren throws the dems into chaos and increases trump’s chances to win

    bezos’ tax under her plan would be $4 billion

    the FIRST year

  704. lisab says:

    so now — unless this is killed off quickly — every dem candidate will have to respond, most likely with similar or even more extreme plans

    imagine you are bezos, you can donate $4 billion to warren’s government

    or

    $200 to trump’s campaign fund, through appropriately disguised channels

    and

    run a liberal third party candidate like schultz to siphon off votes

  705. lisab says:

    that’s $200 million of course

  706. Brandon says:

    Kelly Ward has now become chair of the Arizona GOP. Bye-bye Arizona. Self destruction at its finest.

  707. lisab says:

    and gates and buffet and the koch’s and the walton’s etc.

    guess which candidate has less than $50 million? warren

    guess who has more? hillary … who all but endorseud harris

  708. Tina says:

    They will have to defend who is for higher taxes and who is for more open borders.

    Also, side issues could be: who is the more anti Semitic and who despises Catholics more?

  709. Wes says:

    Personally I don’t mind seeing Dems target a bunch of rich liberals with a wealth tax. If these clowns want to help Dems gain power they should suffer the consequences of their actions.

  710. Wes says:

    Has Ben Stein endorsed Warren’s plan yet? He’s big on high taxes—unless they affect him personally of course. Then he’s a whiny, hypocritical little bitch just like Warren Buffett.

  711. Phil says:

    That’s Stein to a T.

  712. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When George McGovern in 1972 proposed at a UAW meeting that any inheritances be limited to 5 million dollars, and the rest taken by the government, he was booed by the union crowd:

    “Mr. ALDRICH: Well, you may remember the McGovern campaign. In Detroit, I believe, McGovern got up and gave a speech to the UAW in which he proposed that inheritances be limited to $5 million, which is one of the proposals right now before the Congress.

    SIEGEL: We should say that in 1972 $5 million was, as they say, a lot of money.

    Mr. ALDRICH: Yeah. That was serious money. And he was hooted and booed by the automobile workers. I think there’s a sad lack of imagination in the American voter in that, when somebody says to them, that’s your money, you made it, you get to keep it, they want to say yes.

    SIEGEL: But when the hall of auto workers, you’re saying, in 1972 booed George McGovern for suggesting taxing to the point of elimination estates over $5 million, people are in effect saying, by their booing, that could be my kid who makes $20 million you’re talking about. My kids could yet be very successful and very lucky.

    Mr. ALDRICH: Exactly. That’s the pyre of promise that we live in. That anything is possible. Anything good is possible. I’m sure that’s what they were thinking.”

    I am not sure if young millennials would support a 70% tax rate on the rich, many have big dreams in tech or other endeavors.

  713. Wes says:

    This should be Liz Warren’s campaign theme:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMVfpKBuyI

    Hell, it should be the Democrat Party’s theme now.

  714. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie’s girlfriend, the insufferable Maggie Haberman, a NY Times so-called journalist, is being sued by the Covington Catholic Boys for defamation according to the boys’ attorney.

    Bitter, on the surface, do you believe this libel case has merit?

    “On Saturday, attorney Barnes told Jesse Watters the names of several personalities who are positioned for lawsuits including Maggie Haberman from The New York Times, CNN contributor Reza Aslan, ABC commentator Matthew Dowd, actor Michael Rapaport and The New York Daily News for smearing the children with a bogus black-face story.”(H/T: Gateway Pundit)

  715. jason says:

    2012- I voted for Mitt Romney and whoever was the 3rd district nominee In KY”

    LOL

    He celebrated Obama’s win but voted for Romney, whose candidacy, integrity and family he attacked here for over a year.

    Amoral Scumbag.

    You can bet whatever you want that he voted for Obama.

  716. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #726
    Maybe Sinema(D-AZ) thought that Justice Brett Kavanaugh was having an after hours party in his chambers with cocaine-laced punch and lots of gang banging!

  717. Messy says:

    The Republican National Committee just unofficially endorsed Trump. They would have cancelled the primaries altogether but that would be illegal.

    So from now on they will proceed as if he is already the nominee. They didn’t even do that for Reagan or the second Bush.

  718. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy
    Please stop embarrassing yourself. Didn’t Debbie Schultz ,as head of the DNC, do something similar in a criminal way in 2016 in order to deny Bernie Sanders(D-VT) any chance at receiving the Democrat Presidential nomination?
    At a minimum, Republicans are being open and transparent.

  719. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON’s socialist paradise is unraveling.

    However, he still thinks its the shining model for the US.

    After Cuba, of course.

  720. Messy says:

    Not in a criminal way, no. BTW, how is mentioning something that actually happened “embarrassing myself?” Or are you just insulting me because you’re an extremist and I’m a moderate and that’s what extremists do.

  721. jason says:

    The Republican National Committee just unofficially endorsed Trump”

    Coming from an illiterate moron like Messy, this is probably fake news.

    “Unofficial” endorsement?

    LOL

    Let me know when they do something official.

    Btw, I have unofficially endorsed Trump for 2020.

  722. Messy says:

    Proud ObamaCON’s socialist paradise is Washington state, IIRC.

    Venezuela needs a good revolution. We in the US need a good impeachment. I myself need more coffee.

  723. jason says:

    I’m a moderate”

    LOL

    You are about as “moderate” as Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro.

    You are a brainwashed ideologue of the worst kind, for whom the ends always justify the means.

    You are the type the would have been the first to join the Hitler youth or the fascist brownshirts. In China you would have been the first to rush into the streets to burn books under the Cultural Revolution.

  724. Messy says:

    734. Then what would you call THIS?
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/26/rnc-vote-unanimous-support-trump-no-endorse-2020/

    The headline:

    RNC unanimously pledges ‘undivided support’ for Trump, stops short of explicit 2020 endorsement

  725. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is still pining for the old Soviet Union, never got over it poor bastard.

    The problem is, come the revolution, he is too stupid to actually be appointed to a high position, he will be a really low level apparatchik. Probably assigned to some neighborhood Kommittee to spy on neighbors and recommend names for re-education camps.

  726. Messy says:

    736. Godwin’s law

    1) The adage that any Usenet discussion will eventually mention the Nazis or Adolf Hitler.
    2) An adage that states that the first person in an argument (usually in an online comment thread or forum) to mention the Nazis or Adolf Hitler has lost.

    Jason’s post No.736. Is about as classic an illustration of adage 2 as you can get

  727. jason says:

    stops short of explicit 2020 endorsement”

    Zzzzzzzz…..

    The RNC supports the President.

    WOW!

  728. jason says:

    Jason’s Law.

    1) Hard core brainwashed leftist ideologues will always define themselves as “moderate” in any “usenet” discussion.

  729. jason says:

    RNC unanimously pledges ‘undivided support’ for Trump”

    Maybe Messy can come with an instance during Obama’s presidency where the DNC didn’t pledge undivided support for him.

    Should be easy to find.

  730. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON hardest hit.

    Maduro backs down.

    “CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela defused a potential showdown with the United States, suspending a demand that U.S. diplomats leave the country as Washington called on the world to “pick a side” in the South American nation’s fast-moving crisis.

    Socialist President Nicolas Maduro broke relations with the United States on Wednesday after the Trump administration and many other nations in the region recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as Venezuela’s interim president, a move that Maduro called a coup attempt.

    Maduro gave U.S. diplomats three days to leave the country, but the Trump administration said it wouldn’t obey, arguing that Maduro is no longer Venezuela’s legitimate president. That set the stage for a showdown at the hilltop U.S. Embassy compound Saturday night, when the deadline was to expire”

  731. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    jason
    Messy, CG and Half-Truth Robbie are going to have a cow when they look at the data points for this just-released Wall Street Journal/ NBC Poll.
    In Sum:
    Fom December to January:
    (1) The President’s approval number at 43% is unchanged. His favorability rating has inched up a tick.
    (2) Nancy Pelosi’s unfavorable rating up by 33% from 18 to 24%
    (3) Republican Party favorability is up and the opposite for the Donkeys
    (4) The president’s approval on the economy is 51%
    (5) “Build The Wall” is inching closer to 50%.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5695327-19020-NBCWSJ-January-Poll-1.html

  732. Phil says:

    Just reading over the morning comments while sipping my coffee. Spit out said coffee when I came across Messy’s claim of being a moderate.

  733. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Paging Half Truth Robbie and CG:

    NATO head: Trump’s tough talk has added $100B to alliance, helped deter Russia
    FoxNews.com ^ | Jan 27, 2019 | Gregg Re | Fox News

  734. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The left adored socialism in Venezuela, until it economically collapsed.

    “Curiously, that’s not how the Venezuelan regime’s admirers used to speak of “21st century socialism,” as it was dubbed by Hugo Chávez. The late Venezuelan president, said Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn, “showed us there is a different and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism, it’s called social justice, and it’s something that Venezuela has made a big step toward.” Noam Chomsky was similarly enthusiastic when he praised Chávez in 2009. “What’s so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela,” the linguist said, is that “I can see how a better world is being created and can speak to the person who’s inspired it.” ”

    Now they want to ignore the outcome in Venezuela, and have the U.S. adopts the policies that created it. Venezuela is an example of Bernie Sander’s economic policies at work.

  735. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    2012- I voted for Mitt Romney and whoever was the 3rd district nominee In KY”

    “LOL

    He celebrated Obama’s win but voted for Romney, whose candidacy, integrity and family he attacked here for over a year. Amoral Scumbag.
    You can bet whatever you want that he voted for Obama.”

    Its laughable a person who spends all his time quoting liberal Democrat talking points, claims to be a closet Republican.

  736. lisab says:

    i guess tom brady is going to hisn 9th superbowl in 18 years

    that must be closing in on cutler-like numbers

  737. lisab says:

    “Its laughable a person who spends all his time quoting liberal Democrat talking points, claims to be a closet Republican.”

    as i pointed out a couple of weeks ago …

    it does not matter whether they actually believe they are not dem trolls

    their behavior is EXACTLY the same as a dem troll from daily kos. quack quack

  738. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    She’s back! Trolls can rejoice!

    “Hillary Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, reportedly has yet to rule out running for the Oval Office again in 2020.

    CNN White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny said Sunday on CNN’s “Inside Politics” that Clinton told people “as recently as this week” that she isn’t “closing the doors to the idea of running in 2020.”

    “I’m told by three people that as recently as this week, she was telling people that look, given all this news from the indictments, particularly the Roger Stone indictment, she talked to several people, saying ‘look, I’m not closing the doors to this,’ ” Zeleny said. “

  739. lisab says:

    she does not want harris or warren to win

  740. Messy says:

    742. During the 2012 primary season, they never stated they supported Obama, although it was fixed for him.

  741. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Its time for a rematch between Hillary and Bernie in 2020.

    Know Hillary will win in 2020, since have been reassured on the board that Trump will inevitably lose in 2020.

  742. Wes says:

    Of course Marv and Phoenixrisen have declared Trump Willa inevitably win reelection. SDC has seen no reason to nitpick their analysis.

    I can’t imagine why.

    Actually I know exactly why.

    Marv and Phoenix predicted SDC’s desired result.

  743. Tina says:

    Glad to hear that Hillary may be back in the game,

    -Jebots

  744. Ron N says:

    Maybe this time Hillary will have Steel go with Wikileaks instead of the FBI to get her opp research out.

  745. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    755. “Marv and Phoenix predicted SDC’s desired result.”

    As have stated previously, my position is that it is to early to know who will win. Its too crazy of a political situation now. As far as desired results; I did not vote for Trump in 2016. I may vote for him in 2020.

    Uncertainty seems a concept you cannot relate to.

  746. Paul says:

    Maybe we should nominate Hillary just to make 2020 more interesting than the blowout that will happen with any other nominee.

  747. lisab says:

    the dems will have a bunch of candidates, most of whom will not be able to raise money.

    they will have harris, warren, beto, sanders, maybe biden, maybe hillary, gillibrand, and maybe booker as potentially major candidates.

    biden could probably beat trump, but the others all have issues.

  748. Bitterlaw says:

    Watching Rent on Fox. Maybe in 10 years they will perform Hamilton.

  749. lisab says:

    i should rephrase that to, biden likely would probably beat trump, and the others could, but it would not be a sure thing.

    especially if schulz runs

  750. lisab says:

    ** biden would probably beat trump **

  751. Wes says:

    Your pretense of uncertainty would be more believable if you didn’t feel the need to launch into your rote statements about not knowing the future strictly in response to predictions of Trump’s defeat.

    Cool story though. Stick with it. I know you’re committed to it.

  752. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    763. “** biden would probably beat trump **”

    I would rate him as favored in the race. Can not even make a guess what would happen in a Hillary vs. Trump race. If Sanders is the nominee than U.S. voters are going to learn a whole lot about Venezuela during the campaign.

  753. gameboy says:

    I’m shock people in here a afraid of Biden. He is showing his age these days and clearly a step behind Trump mentally and physically. Huge contrast side by side with Trump. Trump would wear him out with his energy. Biden blew his chance. He would have beat Trump in 2016.

  754. gameboy says:

    #751

    I find it hard to believe that Hillary is that delusional. What would the Stone indictment have to do with anything. He wasn’t indicted for anything he did during his time in the campaign, they were trumped up charges created by the Mueller team.

  755. Bitterlaw says:

    So the Trump will win because Trump will win argument is back. It worked in 2016 because Hillary forgot to look at a map and go to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania more than 10 miles from Rittenhouse Square. The 2020 Dem nominee will not be that complacent.

  756. lisab says:

    I’m shock people in here a afraid of Biden. He is showing his age these days and clearly a step behind Trump mentally and physically.
    ———————————

    i have not seen him lately

    i am assuming the biden that destroyed ryan in their debate … by being a snarky creep

  757. Phil says:

    I want Hillary to run again. In that sense, I’m with HER!

  758. Wes says:

    Look at it this way, Bitter:

    Trump won only because he got blue-collar votes in 2016. It had nothing to do with Hillary’s elitism, lazy campaign, and investigation by the FBI. So Jason told me anyway.

    That means Trump is a lock to win when those same blue collar voters show up in 2020 to give Trump and Republicans a victory just as they did in 2018.

    Oh, wait. My mistake.

  759. Wes says:

    For the record, Trump’s base did show up in 2018. Trump himself was so hated though everyone else turned out to outvote them.

  760. lisab says:

    well … if warren is the nominee

    than trump’s opponent will be even

    MORE elitist

    and less likeable

    than hillary

  761. Phil says:

    Kamala Harris will be President.

    Make America California.

  762. sandiegocitizen says:

    As has been said: “Never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.” The irony is the saying is applicable now across the board to all politics in general. All sides oink.

  763. jason says:

    Trump won only because he got blue-collar votes in 2016. It had nothing to do with Hillary’s elitism, lazy campaign, and investigation by the FBI. So Jason told me anyway.”

    And jason was right. The key factor in Trump’s win was the fact he was able to switch so many blue collar votes for Obama in 2012 to R in 2016 in a few states that swung the election, chiefly PA, WI and MI (and almost MN).

    Hillary was viewed as untrustworthy and dishonest by a large portion of the electorate, no doubt. It helped counter the perception that Trump was not prepared and fit for office, and it watered down the impact of the infamous p-ssy grabbing tape. I never argued that Hillary’s baggage damaging to her campaign, but she still would have won if not for the blue collar vote.

    Despite the fact Hillary did not pay enough attention to WI, PA and MI doesn’t mean she didn’t vastly outspend Trump in these 3 states. And she didn’t ignore PA as much as WI anyway.

    In fact, Bitter is wrong that she ignored PA. She made more visits to PA than ANY OTHER STATE except Ohio (PA came in second tied with Florida). And after the nomination, Hillary came to PA 15 times, as much as Florida and Ohio.

    BATTLEGROUND STATE MOST VISITED:

    CLINTON: Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida (tied)
    TRUMP: Florida

    Remember Hillary spent $253 million in ads in battleground states vs. $93 million by Trump.

    I remember seeing 3 or 4 Hillary ads every football game here in the Central PA market and none for Trump.

    As far as holding on to the blue collar vote for 2020, I never stated that is a given. Others might say that here but I don’t necessarily agree with it. It might not be. Plus as many correctly state here, Trump has had an erosion among Indies, and his base is not enough to win the election.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-campaigns-numbers/story?id=43356783

  764. Wobbles says:

    (1) The President’s approval number at 43% is unchanged. His favorability rating has inched up a tick.
    (2) Nancy Pelosi’s unfavorable rating up by 33% from 18 to 24%
    (3) Republican Party favorability is up and the opposite for the Donkeys
    (4) The president’s approval on the economy is 51%
    (5) “Build The Wall” is inching closer to 50%.

    It’s a typo. It’s not an NBC-WSJ poll, it’s a Rasmussen poll… I read it on the Kamala Harris website.

  765. Messy says:

    757. Remember, opp research has to be genuine dirt in order to be effective. Why doe everyone here forget that?

    …and they call me a moron here….

    777. Rasmussen’s bias is well known. They had the Republicans ahead on election day last November.

    Hillary’s sell-by date has long past. It’s the “Harold Stassen effect”. You are only taken seriously twice (that’s why Hubert Humphrey didn’t run in 1976).

  766. jason says:

    777. Rasmussen’s bias is well known.”

    LOL

    Messy Moron just admitted all the polls that showed Hillary ahead on election day were “biased”.

    The truth will set you free.

  767. Wes says:

    Once again, Jason, you confuse how and why. Had Hillary not been an out-of-touch elitist who let Trump reach out to people she took for granted and came under FBI investigation a week before the election Trump wouldn’t have been able to edge her in those critical states.

    How Trump won was those voters.

    Why he won is the quality of opposition he had.

    Joe Biden would have competed with Trump for those voters and done well enough with them to deny Trump a victory.

    Assuming she had already won, Hillary either denigrated those voters or ignored them and paid the price. It’s quite clear given the narrow victories Trump enjoyed in those states Hillary let critical votes slip away from her.

  768. Ron N says:

    778. Are you saying that opp research must genuine be true and the fake dossie would not have been and it only worked because of the dishonest people that used it to there own benefit to bring down the president.

  769. jason says:

    777. Wobbles says:
    January 28, 2019 at 7:50 am

    It’s a typo. It’s not an NBC-WSJ poll, it’s a Rasmussen poll… I read it on the Kamala Harris website.”

    Messy says:
    January 28, 2019 at 8:41 am

    777. Rasmussen’s bias is well known. They had the Republicans ahead on election day last November.”

    Hey Ma, we caught a Dumbass Fish, a real whopper too.

    Minuscule head, huge body.

  770. jason says:

    Ok, ok, it was Wobbles who caught the Dumbass Fish.

  771. Wobbles says:

    Thanks jason.

    I learned all I know about fishing for the big ones from you and your Ma.

  772. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I did not say Hillary ignored PA. She wasted time and money taking a victory lap instead of focusing on areas where rural and blue collar voters lived and voted.

  773. NYCmike says:

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cold-weather-20190127-story.html

    -I would worry about “CG”, but his world has been under semi-permanent frost since Nov 9, 2016…..he is prepared for this.

  774. CG says:

    -I would worry about “CG”, but hell has been under semi-permanent frost since Nov 2, 2016, when the Cubs won the World Series…..he is prepared for this.”

    Fixed it for you.

  775. jason says:

    I don’t think she took a victory lap.

    She concentrated on getting out her base. And if you look at her numbers in Philadelphia Co. and Delco and Montco she did.

    She didn’t expect blue collar voters would abandon the Dems in such numbers.

    Nobody did except maybe Trump, who correctly identified a treasure trove of votes there up for grabs. There is no doubt that his strategy was to flip these voters, and flip they did.

    I didn’t think his protectionist AFL-CIO agenda would actually work, probably because I didn’t agree with it.

    The “Hillary ignored PA, WI, and MI” is why she lost is simplistic. She spent tons of money in these states, and the “ignore” part was basically WI.

    I think its more appropriate to say she lost these states because she had the wrong message not that she ignored them.

  776. Paul says:

    I actually think Sherod “dignity of work” Brown is the best shot for the Dems. He sounds good. However, it would set up a race between two populist tariff men. I wonder if a free-trader independent would have to get into the race if that were the case.

  777. Wes says:

    That of course ignores reports from Hillary’s own campaign explicitly saying she refused to deploy campaign operatives to MI, PA, and WI to avoid appearing weak, but Jason creates his memes and sticks with them in the face of all evidence.

  778. Tina says:

    We need to be concerned about Kamala Harris.

    20000 turned out to her Oakland event yesterday, larger than an obumbler rally in 3/2007.

    She is promising a middle class tax cut.

    But she is a left wing loon.

  779. jason says:

    “Assuming she had already won, Hillary either denigrated those voters or ignored them and paid the price. It’s quite clear given the narrow victories Trump enjoyed in those states Hillary let critical votes slip away from her.”

    I guess the only difference in our views is if Hillary was responsible for losing these votes or Trump was responsible for gaining them.

    Hillary’s “deplorable” statement certainly didn’t help her among rural voters, but I am not sure if it was particularly offensive to white blue collar urban voters.

    She said she was going to put a lot of coal miners out of work and lost every county in West Virginia, but that probably didn’t cost her votes in WI or MI.

    Did Hillary take the blue collar for granted, just like she did the black vote? Yes.

    Did Trump understand there was a deep dissatisfaction with the status quo which he adroitly explored to win the election. Yes.

  780. jason says:

    g she refused to deploy campaign operatives to MI, PA, and WI to avoid appearing weak,”

    This doesn’t mean she “ignored” those states. She spent plenty of money during the campaign in all of them. She visited PA and OH 15 times each, more than Trump did.

    At the end she employed resources where she thought she could deliver the knockout punch, NC and FL.

    From the results, maybe Trump could have won NH, ME, NV and MN if he had sent “operatives” there
    since he lost all of them by less than 3 pts. He actually didn’t ignore any of those states either.

  781. NYCmike says:

    Nicely done, “CG”.

  782. jason says:

    Chris Christie (scumbag):

    “Despite the political challenges of the investigation, Christie said he didn’t think the president would be vulnerable to a primary challenger come 2020.”

    I guess he is not running…

  783. CG says:

    Empirical data matters more than “feelings.”

    The 2016 exit polls are actual data.

    There is not a single point to suggest Trump was elected or won over voters because they liked Trump. *All* evidence suggests that Trump was elected and won over voters because those voters disliked Hillary (even as many disliked Trump as well.)

  784. NYCmike says:

    I have empirical data that some “Republicans” want Kamala more than Trump.

    One of those 2 candidates has shown they will govern in a fairly typical Republican way, at least in regard to judges, regulations and taxes……the other one has shown that being a member of the Knights of Columbus may be a disqualifying act.

    Guess which one would make some “Republicans” happier if they were in the White House circa 2021?

  785. CG says:

    I don’t think Trump governs in a “fairly typical Republican way” at all. Not even close. I thought that was why you liked him. You told us for years how much Republicans sucked.

    But even if he did, I prefer a President who behaved in a less criminal way, first and foremost.

  786. Bitterlaw says:

    DCCC

  787. CG says:

    In terms of pure electability, even if Trump was universally supported among Republicans, which he is not, you would need a lot more voters than that to win, given the current circumstances and the ever-changing electorate.

    I take it nobody will even dare to question the obvious premise that the 2016 data suggests Trump won because of an anti-Hillary vote far more than a pro-Trump vote.

    Had she won, the reverse could have been said as well, although it wouldn’t have been as decisive a factor.

    All theoretical now, but Republicans would probably be strongly favored going into 2020 with Hillary facing significant primary challenge(s) and with Republicans poised to nominate federal judges well into the future.

    Now, as long as Trump/Trumpism is around, who knows if the party can ever win again as the country continues to change. Eventually, the day would come when the judges appointed by the next President(s) will outnumber all those appointed by Trump, to those who claim that is the sole issue to vote on.

  788. NYCmike says:

    #801 – Trump has picked 2 Supreme Court justices – those would have been picked by Hillary.

    RBG would have retired – her replacement would have been picked by Hillary.

    And “CG” is saying that it would have been better to elect Hillary and hope to win in 2020……..all backed up by his own form of “empirical data”.

    BUT, according to “CG” – “Empirical data matters more than “feelings.””

    The term “Empirical data” and “feelings” have been redefined……Bizarro World is upon us!

  789. CG says:

    We have no way of knowing if Anthony Kennedy would have retired if Hillary were President.

    No way of knowing on RBG either, although that would have been more possible.

    The point is that if a Democrat wins in 2020 because Trump has proven a failure and gets to appoint all sorts of judges and then they get reelected in 2024 and then Republicans are so messed up still in 2028 they win again, etc. etc., there are going to be a lot more judges you don’t like one day.

    It’s always better to think long-term. Some, like Phil, have already suggested another Republican will never win again, because the white man is losing power, or however some would phrase it, and if so, he wants to hold on to the ledge as long as possible before it slips away, but I actually think Republicans can adapt to the future and to what America will be, because I believe some values and principles are timeless, and thus Republicans can win future elections. We should start with 2020.

  790. CG says:

    I qualified that my theory on what the state of politics would be if Hillary were President today was theoretical. Never suggested otherwise. I do not think she would have been popular. I think she may even have lower poll numbers than Trump currently. The left of her party would be challenging her in the primaries.

  791. NYCmike says:

    “It’s always better to think long-term.”

    2016 = Trump better choice than Hillary

    2020 = Trump better choice than (fill in Democratic candidate name)

    2024 = Trump now gone, “CG” sees his long-term thinking rewarded with a Pence-Haley ticket (I am open to any suggestion on his part, as I am sure the primary in 2024 would be a wild affair).

  792. NYCmike says:

    Long term thinking – the calculation should have changed once Nov. 9, 2016 rolled around.

    New facts, namely the Trump Presidency, saved us from Hillary, and a continuation of many of Obama’s policies. This nation received a reprieve.

    Somehow, people like you look at the discontinuation of those policies as bad…….and WANT to switch back to someone who will re-institute Obama-type policies…………….TO SAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!?!?

    What use will the Republican Party be when the nation is inexorably changed?

  793. lisab says:

    -60° WIND CHILL MINNEAPOLIS

  794. Phil says:

    Global warming.

  795. lisab says:

    CHICAGOLAND: People robbed of winter coats at gunpoint…

  796. CG says:

    It seems pretty clear that far more Americans would prefer a return to Obama policies over Trump policies at this time.

    You will claim I am among them, but no, I would prefer neither (or a return to GWB policies.)

  797. CG says:

    And again, those who simply state that Trump is a better choice than Hillary would have to say that David Duke would be a better choice than Hillary too.

    Or would Hillary be a better choice than David Duke?

  798. CG says:

    And as I have said before, my hunch is that for political purposes, Trump may be gone this year or early next.

    Even those who like him, assuming they are sincere about beating Democrats, should hope to cultivate viable options.

  799. lisab says:

    KAMALA KICKOFF DRAWS 20,000!

  800. CG says:

    What else is there to do in Oakland these days?

  801. CG says:

    Who will be the first leftist candidate to attack Harris for having been a prosecutor?

    Maybe it will be Trump. We know he and his fans dislike prosecutors.

  802. Phil says:

    Harris is your next president whether she runs against Trump or some other GOP nominee. Nikki Haley would make it somewhat competitive but she too would come up short.

    Brain dead millennials, demographics, money, and the media make it a foregone conclusion.

  803. Bitterlaw says:

    Your David Duke point is absurd. Duke is a Klansman and could never win a Presidential primary. Your point is based on two Democrat talking points – Republicans are racist and Trump is a virulent racist, too.

  804. CG says:

    On which date have you decided to ingest the Flavor-Aide and end your suffering?

  805. Messy says:

    783. Rasmussen Reports 10/28 – 11/1 2500 LV 45 46 Republicans +1

    Jason embarrasses himself yet again with his infantile and ineffective bullying.

  806. CG says:

    David Duke is Trump-Lite in my view.

    The philosophical argument is completely worthy. You can substitute others such as Steve King or whomever.

    An avowed Nazi was recently nominated by the Republican Party for Congress. (Was it ok to vote for the Democrat then?) Who knows what is possible.

    When one determines that an option is unacceptable, even if someone else disagrees with the premise, they have to accept that the other person’s mind is made up.

  807. CG says:

    Sorry I messed something up, minorly.

    Trump is Duke-Lite, not the other way around.

    Perhaps on the makeup, the other way around.

  808. NYCmike says:

    “Your David Duke point is absurd.”

    -Good luck with this, Bitterlaw.

    “CG” is delusional. His hatred will be something his G-d will deal with at the appropriate time.

  809. Tina says:

    Kamala,got big mo for sure, blunted a bit by the former starchucks ceo announcing. The jebots are mad at the starchucks ceo.

    Willie Brown admitted to “helping her career.”

  810. CG says:

    NYC, do you genuinely believe we no longer have the same G-d?

    Did you join some cult?

  811. CG says:

    Those who insisted during the campaign that Trump was racist or appealed to racism but still voted for him or support him now.

    Were you wrong? Own up to it.

    Why were you wrong to connect him to racism? What made you do it?

  812. Messy says:

    817. 119,115 Republicans voted for Duke in the 1992 Republican presidential primary.

  813. lisab says:

    The jebots are mad at the starchucks ceo.
    ————————–

    because if he runs the dems are dead in the water

  814. Tina says:

    The jebots are also mad that Her Thighness got pushed aside by Kamala.

  815. CG says:

    Nobody thought Trump could be nominated by Republicans, and indeed was so with the vast majority of the party having supported someone else.

    Twice though, in LA, Duke was the sole Republican on the ballot against one Democrat (and one of them was pretty corrupt and sleazy) A binary choice in both circumstances.

    How should Republicans have voted then?

  816. Tina says:

    Kamala also claimed that the knights of Columbus are racist.

    The drats are returning to their Kkk roots,

  817. CG says:

    I don’t believe Harris said the Knights of Columbus were racist.

    She used some ridiculous analogy to question someone’s fitness to be a judge. Trump said that someone having Mexican parents made them unfit to be a judge. There are a lot more Mexican-Americans than members of the KOC, but very wrong, and un-American in both circumstances.

    Others though will choose to shrug at what Trump said.

  818. Tina says:

    On Dec. 5, Senators Mazie Hirono (D-HI) and Kamala Harris (D-CA) raised concerns about membership in the Knights of Columbus while the Senate Judiciary Committee reviewed the candidacy of Brian C. Buescher, an Omaha-based lawyer nominated by President Trump to sit on the United States District Court for the District of Nebraska.
    In her questions to Buescher, Hirono said that the Knights have “taken a number of extreme positions.” Harris used her questions to label the organization as “opposed a woman’s right to choose” and against “marriage equality,” and suggested that Buescher could be unable to give a fair hearing to cases on these issues.

  819. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder how Corey would vote in a Hitler- Stalin election. Sure, Hitler targeted Jews but Stalin killed more people and was better at seeking world domination.

    The David Duke argument ignores the real world. As for the long view approach to elections, you always fight to win the election you are in rather than the one 4 years away. President Hillary would not face a real primary challenge in 2020 because Democrats do not believe in suicide missions. Ted Kennedy failed in 1980 and the Dems did not mount serious challenges to Clinton or Obama.

  820. CG says:

    832. Yes, what I said. I see no mention of “race.”

    Trump saying Mexicans were unfit to be judges was about race.

  821. CG says:

    “I wonder how Corey would vote in a Hitler- Stalin election.”

    I’d write in Churchill.

    No FDR vote for me either.

  822. CG says:

    My company informs us we will be open on the coldest day in World History, this coming Wednesday.

  823. Tina says:

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

    Dhs press release showing the miles of wall built.

    This is new construction.

  824. NYCmike says:

    “My company informs us we will be open on the coldest day in World History, this coming Wednesday.”

    -And?

  825. Wes says:

    To be fair, Corey, the LAGOP was barely extant when Duke ran in 1990. No one else was willing to stand up to face Johnston for Senate. That Duke got 44% of the vote though may have scared Johnston into retirement though I would have voted for Johnston over Duke.

    In 1991, Roemer was saddled with the problems Edwards had left him with and wasn’t exactly warmly received when he switched to the GOP. Duke exploited this to secure a runoff berth. All major Republicans including GHWB endorsed Edwards over Duke as they should have.

    In 1999, when Duke attempted his political comeback after Livingston resigned—Mikey, this was an actual resignation as opposed to a retirement—Duke finished third, and Vitter went on to win the seat.

    Had the LAGOP had anything but sporadic success electorally before the 1990s, Duke May well have never had what limited political success he did have.

  826. CG says:

    And it’s a good thing I suppose I have lots of unused vacation days.

  827. jason says:

    ut even if he did, I prefer a President who behaved in a less criminal way, first and foremost.”:

    LOL

    Name me one thing that Trump has done that is “criminal”?

  828. CG says:

    The point is still valid.

    D. Duke, whom served as an elected Republican official, always insisted he was not racist, his Klan association was in the past, and ran on a platform in which most conservatives would find agreement on many points (with some white identity politics thrown in as well.)

    At what point is a bridge too far as it relates to “binary choices” or “you will be responsible for the other person winning.”

    Everyone has their own “breaking point” on that matter I suppose, but even putting aside the fact that I definitely don’t live in a swing state. NYCMike continues to think he is somehow going to change my mind into thinking I was wrong for not voting for Trump or that I can somehow be convinced to vote for Trump next time. He needs to accept reality. That’s never going to happen.

    And stating that Trump is “Duke-Lite” as it relates to many of his policies and much of his rhetoric is completely reasonable.

  829. CG says:

    Theoretically, I would not have voted for either Duke or Edwards in 1991 Louisiana.

  830. jason says:

    Talking about David Duke is ridiculous.

    There is NOTHING in common between David Duke and Trump, never was, never will be.

    Corey just picked somebody that is universally disliked and then is using character assassination to compare him to Trump.

    I could compare Hillary to Lyndon LaRouche, after all he is a Democrat, but LaRouche is as relevant as David Duke.

  831. CG says:

    On many specific issues, Trump is LaRouche-Lite as well.

  832. jason says:

    Corey objected to my characterization of Jeb Bush as Hillary-lite and now wants to borrow it.

    Put it this way Jeb Bush is a lot more Hillary-lite than Trump is Duke-lite.

  833. CG says:

    -jason, besides the fact that he repeatedly called bunu a Nazi as a game, was far more explicit during the 2016 campaign in saying Trump was a racist and a fascist than I was.

    Now, he is Trump’s strongest supporter here.

    So, the question has to be, why were you so wrong in 2016 about him?

  834. CG says:

    One could anonymously compare the “issues section” or “agenda” of Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton and find extremely little in common.

    One could compare the same sections for Donald Trump and David Duke and minus the direct references to “European Heritage”, find a ton in common.

  835. jason says:

    I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016.

    I had my reason and was attacked incessantly for them.

    I will vote for Trump in the 2020 GE if he is on the ballot.

    The reason that I will now vote for him is that my chief objection, that he was not fit for the office, has been resolved in his favor.

    I may disagree with him on many policy issues, as I would have with other Rs I would have voted for, but he is certainly fit for office.

  836. CG says:

    Was he not racist/fascist though? You sure said he was in 2016, on a daily basis.

    Were you wrong or you just no longer care?

  837. jason says:

    One could compare the same sections for Donald Trump and David Duke and minus the direct references to “European Heritage”, find a ton in common.”

    I very much doubt it.

    I think there is a lot more in common between Hillary and Jeb than there is between Duke and Trump.

    Not to say Hillary was not a lot farther to the left than Jeb. But they certainly agree a lot on the role of government.

  838. NYCmike says:

    Trump is a racist AND a fascist now?!?!

    My my my, how little words mean in this world conjectured up in “CG”‘s mind.

    Pathetic.

  839. CG says:

    Social issues, second amendment, conservative judges, lower taxes, less spending, – all boilerplate conservatism that Duke and Trump have claimed to believe in.

    On those issues, there would be virtual sameness in platforms between them and most other Republicans.

    More specifically though, Trump and Duke share the same “anti-globalist” and isolationist theories on foreign policy. You can throw LaRouche in with them.

  840. CG says:

    I’m quoting jason from 2015-2016 in which he referred to DJT as a racist and a fascist on a daily basis.

    He went further than anyone, even MD, besides perhaps Cory.

  841. CG says:

    And clearly, Trump admires fascists, though thankfully under the U.S. Constitution he would be unable to govern as one.

  842. lisab says:

    trump winner of the ellis island award

    worst racist ever!

  843. CG says:

    I would challenge any Trump supporter to go find David Duke’s “issue section” or platform and you can strike out any reference to “European Heritage” and then beyond that, please point out 3 specific things he says that you disagree with….

    Should be easy, right?

  844. jason says:

    as he not racist/fascist though? You sure said he was in 2016, on a daily basis.”

    I must have been overwrought with fear Hillary would win if I called him a fascist. If I did I was wrong.

    I certainly thought his comment on the “Mexican” judge was racist.

    I didn’t think his immigration ideas were racist, however, much to the contrary. I thought he was weak on immigration.

    In case, whatever I thought of Trump in 2016 (I thought he was a liberal Dem too) has to be judged by what he has actually done in office.

    I think that is the only fair way to judge him.

    In office he has done a lot of good things. Judicial appointments, energy policy, climate change policy, border security, taxes, deregulation, N Korea summit, rebuilding the military, war on the MSM.

    WhileI disagree with him on trade policy, some foreign policy, insistence on physical wall, attacks on fellow Republicans, I still think he would be much better for conservatives and Republicans than any of the socialists the Dems nominate.

    I think you are wrong. You don’t have to like Trump to realize 2020 is an important election.

  845. CG says:

    Of course I am also saying that if one picks and chooses, there is a lot on D. Duke’s platform section *I* would agree with as well. Any conservative would.

    But that’s completely irrelevant to me when there are fundamental character issues involved.

  846. jason says:

    David Duke is irrelevant.

    I agree with Trump on what I agree on, I disagree with I disagree.

    If by coincidence there is anything I agree with that David Duke agrees with, it doesn’t make me a racist or a Duke supporter.

  847. jason says:

    And clearly, Trump admires fascists,”

    LOL

    Tell us what fascist he admires, this should be good.

  848. CG says:

    What I get from jason is that when the vast majority of HHR was anti-Trump, he felt the need to rhetorically get in front of the crowd to prove how “tough” he was. He wanted people to like him.

    Now, times have changed, many posters have moved on, others have for whatever reason come to terms with Trump, and jason again wants people to like him, so he will act the “tough guy” and try to get in front of anyone rhetorically once again.

    Now, I’m only an amateur psychologist but it seems pretty clear. Regular life jason is meek and probably has never even raised his voice in his life. Internet jason, in such of approval, gets to act out a fantasy.

  849. CG says:

    He admires Putin of course. Kim Jong-Un as well. He all but says so.

    But these are all the same things you were saying in 2015-2016 Now, you say you were wrong and you blame emotion.

    Ok, but if you can be so “wrong” so flamboyantly in the past, I’m never going to accept you at your word moving forward.

  850. CG says:

    Anybody who thinks it was “disgusting” (or some similar word) that an 85 year old woman with health problems (RBG) has not died is a pretty tormented person.

  851. jason says:

    I would like to see one instance for all the years Trump was financing Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic party, etc where any of them ever called him a fascist.

    Only after he beat Hillary, it became fashionable to call him a fascist, and the Never Trumper’s have latched onto it.

    There is nothing that ties Trump to fascism in any way, he is about a far away from a fascist as you can get. He is actually a great friend of Israel, has a Jewish son in law, and was never connected to any fascist movement or organization.

    The “fascism” charged, which was used against Reagan and GWB also, is just pure character assassination and had no link to reality.

  852. jason says:

    and jason again wants people to like him, ”

    LOL

    I bet most poster here would agree that if there is one person here that makes no effort to be liked, it’s me.

  853. lisab says:

    black and hispanic unemployment at historic lows

    worst racist evah!

  854. CG says:

    Trump changes on a dime, much like jason. They have much in common.

    Years ago, Trump called Pat Buchanan a “Nazi lover” on national tv and said he “hated” blacks and gays and others.

    Now, Trump is tied to the hip to Buchanan on many issues and points to him as a prominent supporter of his policies.

    Was Trump wrong then? Is Trump wrong now?

    Is Buchanan-Lite apt? I don’t think the Lite is necessary when it comes to Buchanan.

  855. dblaikie says:

    CG I want to be blunt and truthful — you are full of crap. With the events of this week in Venezuela where Trump’s Secretary of State puts the world on notice that they stand against a fascist Dictator, you statement reveals a mind that is inanely bias.

  856. jason says:

    I hope that comment about wishing RBG dead was not directed at me, because I never said that.

    I hope I never come to the point where I wish anybody illness or death because of politics.

    If I ever do, I deserve the same fate.

  857. Tina says:

    Evidently, $200 million was included in the Cr for new barriers.

  858. lisab says:

    usa embassy moved to jerusalem

    worst nazi evah!

  859. CG says:

    So, Venezuela can be the exception to everything he has said about Putin or Kim Jun Un recently or the crazy guy in the Philippines?

    Do you want Trump to send troops there to get rid of Maduro?

    As I have always said, at least Trump has some adults around him. Although, a bunch of them have been fired recently.

    I would rather Pompeo be President. He’d be better at it. Anyone disagree?

  860. jason says:

    Buchanan is flaming anti-semite.

    I don’t think Trump is an anti-Semite in any way, shape or form.

    Buchanan and Trump have similar views on some aspects of immigration policy, but again it doesn’t make him an anti-Semite.

    There are probably issues I agree with Buchanan on, it doesn’t make me an anti-Semite or a fascist.

  861. CG says:

    Bitterlaw said that as much as he hates Ginsburg being a Justice, he admires her for wanting to stay alive.

    jason said he didn’t and found it disgusting.

    Bitterlaw said that he doubted jason would say that about a conservative Justice.

    jason did not respond.

    What did I misread in the exchange?

  862. CG says:

    If Buchanan is a “flaming anti-Semite” why is DJT tweeting out links to recent Buchanan columns in which Buchanan explicitly calls on the U.S. to limit legal immigration for demographic reasons?

    Someone who does that may be…. I dunno.. David Duke-Lite?

  863. jason says:

    Now Trump admires Rocket Man, a communist?

    LOL

    Even if he admires Putin, probably because he views him as very successful, not because of any ties to fascism, it hardly makes him a fascist.

    Obama admired Fidel Castro. Did that make him a communist? Huh, actually a lot more than admiring Putin makes Trump a fascist.

  864. dblaikie says:

    CG and Robbie are the very definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome. And don’t throw up the garbage that I am just the opposite. Trump was not my choice in 2016 primaries. I don’t like a lot of his tweets. Like his big mistake with saying he be proud to “own” the shutdown too often he speaks before he thinks. But having said that, since he has been President I have liked many of his appointments and policies. In other words my approval of him is driven by policy — not personality.

  865. Tina says:

    I think Rocket Man admires trump.

    He clearly did not admire her Thighness or the obumbler.

    A policy re set after decades of failure was long over due.

  866. CG says:

    Would Putin be “successful” if not for the strong-armed fascism?

    Your grasping at straws from the Bunker of “Late Stage Trumpism” says it all.

    You are the one who has to live with yourself.

  867. jason says:

    If Buchanan is a “flaming anti-Semite” why is DJT tweeting out links to recent Buchanan columns in which Buchanan explicitly calls on the U.S. to limit legal immigration for demographic reasons?”

    I despise Buchanan, so I would advise Trump to stay away from him.

    But in any case, tweeting links to something specific Buchanan wrote in support of something Trump did does not make Trump a fascist or anti-Semite.

  868. CG says:

    878 I am sure that in “real life”, if a parishioner came up to you and shared these same feelings, you would be more respectful of them.

  869. jason says:

    Late Stage Trumpism”

    LOL

    Right out to the mouth of Amoral Scumbag.

  870. CG says:

    Once in a while, Robbie has some good ones.

  871. jason says:

    Would Putin be “successful” if not for the strong-armed fascism?”

    Zzzzz… there are a lot of strong armed leaders that are not fascists.

    You need to look up what fascism is before throwing it around to describe anyone you don’t like.

    You just reveal your ignorance.

  872. Tina says:

    Abilio asked some good questions in today’s presser.

    Got to love Kudlow. The Cbo is wrong.

  873. CG says:

    Trump is completely awed by Putin.

    However, the person most likely to have him on a leash for the next two years is Nancy Pelosi. She is now officially more powerful than the POTUS, and he did it to himself.

  874. dblaikie says:

    CG I am glad you like the Secretary of State, but let me try to get through your Trump derangement: He implements Trump’s foreign policy. Let me try again, when he speaks he represents Trump’s position. Let me try one more time to get through the hatred, Trump is in charge of what Pompeo communicates.

  875. Tina says:

    Well a National Emergency was just issued against the gubment of Venezuela.

    I am sure little Marco and the open border fanboys are happy.

  876. jason says:

    I would rather Pompeo be President. He’d be better at it. Anyone disagree?”

    I do.

    I prefer Trump.

  877. Tina says:

    I rather have Hillary as President

    -Jebot

  878. lisab says:

    actually bitterlaw said that he was sure cg and robbie were driving to dc to donate blood and organs to keep her alive

    and jason explained that rbg was disgusting because she was openly a liberal and should resign

  879. Tina says:

    Breaking

    SOTU set for 2/5

    Zero hedge.

    Piglosi bends, plan was to hold off for 3 weeks.

  880. lisab says:

    trump just got nato to increase their budget by 100 billion

    worst putin supporter evah!

  881. dblaikie says:

    Again you are full of crap. I guess you didn’t hear in the news that Putin was so angry at Trump that he sent two nuclear capable jets that had to chased out of air space. CG you need to stay away from MSNBC for at least a month.

  882. Tina says:

    Also, 2/5 date confirmed by wp.

    I would still deny her the plane for junkets.

  883. jason says:

    Bitterlaw said that as much as he hates Ginsburg being a Justice, he admires her for wanting to stay alive.

    jason said he didn’t and found it disgusting.

    Bitterlaw said that he doubted jason would say that about a conservative Justice.

    jason did not respond.

    What did I misread in the exchange?”

    A lot.

    Bitter didn’t say “stay alive”. He said stay in office to oppose Trump.

    You are a pathological liar.

    I said it was disgusting for someone who is no longer fit for the office to push the limit to stay in office just for politics.

    I never wished death on RBG, never, I just said she should retire for health reasons if she could no longer do her job.

    GFY

  884. Tina says:

    The Clinton groupie also denied that we encountered the Russians in Syria. The Russians did not like it since only a handful remained alive.

    But muh Russian,

  885. CG says:

    I don’t think Trump understands issues as well as some members of the Cabinet, so they get to free-lance. Then, when they get on his bad side, he fires them. It is said that Pompeo is very good at stroking Trump’s ego and handling him well. Tillerson, who was used to being a CEO, couldn’t do that. Which means Pompeo gets to prevail over him. Trump will agree with the last person he speaks with on almost anything. He has no real core convictions.

  886. CG says:

    892. Different exchanges.

  887. CG says:

    Yeah, Putin is “angry” at Trump.

    Maybe he will hack the RNC’s emails next.

  888. CG says:

    If she dies (as lisab predicts nearly daily), she is no longer in office. I’m confident in how I interpreted the exchange. Bitterlaw mentioned her will to live or words to that effect.

    Why should she quit?

    Go on record, do you approve of her staying alive, even if it means she remains on the SCOTUS past Trump?

  889. CG says:

    Whether you like the job she does or not, she can do it.

    Even NYC called you on your bs. He pointed out that Chief Justice Rehnquist had a far more terminal case of cancer and nobody on the right was calling on him to quit before he died (and a Republican was President too then)

  890. CG says:

    I like when it’s 8 vs 1 against me. Reminds me of 2004-2009 on another site. Sometimes it was more than that.

  891. jason says:

    A small team of Israeli scientists think they might have found the first complete cure for cancer.

    “We believe we will offer in a year’s time a complete cure for cancer,” said Dan Aridor, of a new treatment being developed by his company, Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies Ltd. (AEBi), which was founded in 2000 in the ITEK incubator in the Weizmann Science Park.”

    Amoral Scumbag will soon be here to say he opposes this discovery on account it might somehow be good for Trump.

  892. CG says:

    Here are the posts:

    253. Bitterlaw says:

    January 11, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.

    I wonder if True Conservatives Corey and Robbie are racing to DC to donate blood and organs to keep her alive. I bet Corey would tip out his own heart to give it to her so Trump can’t make another SCOTUS pick.

    …………

    The second part is dumb. After Trump won, I said assuming you can trust him, all 9 Justices should resign so the Heritage Foundation could pick their replacements.

    ……………….

    or so it is said

    271. jason says:

    January 11, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    Why?

    Frankly I find it disgusting.

    ………………………………

    jason could have merely agreed with “retire” but specifically took issue with her will to live. Only a cold, cold person would say that.

    Wes says:

    January 11, 2019 at 4:52 pm

    Somehow I doubt Jason would find it disgusting if a long-serving conservative Justice defied ill health to ensure a liberal Dem President could appoint a replacement.
    …………………………………..

    Hat tip for morality should have gone to Wes, not Bitterlaw (in this case), sorry.

    NYCmike says:

    January 11, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    “Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg will miss arguments for second week”

    -Asked this earlier in week…..didn’t Rehnquist miss time when he had cancer?

    I want her off the Supreme Court even more than “CG” and Robbie want her to outlast Trump, but if Rehnquist can be excused while recuperating, I don’t see why RBG can’t have the same.
    ……………………………….

    If there is a heaven, NYCMike gets to go in long before jason.

  893. NYCmike says:

    #903 – “CG”,

    I believe I asked a question about Rehnquist and his health.

    I do not remember directly commenting about jason’s remarks. If so, a copy-and-paste is always the best way to show the comments, as opposed to your “interpretation”.

  894. CG says:

    907. Already did it. Tried to praise you.

    Though, if there is a heaven, you may be questioned on your going along with “Mueller= Fuerher.”

  895. NYCmike says:

    Well done, CG.

    I don’t see a comment by me directly at jason.

    I also don’t “interpret” jason as wishing RBG dead. I take it as saying she is simply staying on the job even though she is unable to do the work, which he considers “disgusting”.

    And as you pointed out, Rehnquist stayed on when it was a Republican in office, which actually is a point in jason’s favor.

    RBG is DEFINITELY staying on due to Trump, while you can not say the same thing about Rehnquist, since it would only be an opinion.

  896. jason says:

    Go on record, do you approve of her staying alive, even if it means she remains on the SCOTUS past Trump?”

    Yes, I never wished her ill or said I wanted her to die. Never.

    You are real low life of a human being to imply I said that.

    What I said was I thought she had completely abandoned her role as an impartial judge and arbiter of the Constitution to become a partisan pit bull to the point of making personal attacks on the President. I find that behavior disgusting.

    I think she is too sick to be on the Court, she now has lung cancer to boot, and missed several votes.

    I think she should retire.

    If you don’t agree she should retire, you can GFY. but don’t say I wish her ill or to die.

  897. CG says:

    jason clearly responded that he found her “will to live” = “disgusting.”

    Bitterlaw even said retirement in the same sentence.

    A partisan hack with a semblance of human decency could have just said, “yeah, I think she should retire.”

  898. jason says:

    take it as saying she is simply staying on the job even though she is unable to do the work, which he considers “disgusting”.

    Exactly.

  899. NYCmike says:

    “jason clearly responded that he found her “will to live” = “disgusting.””

    -I did NOT take it that way.

    YOU have some issues.

  900. jason says:

    If you go a few posts down from that, you will see my entire context, where I explain that she is no longer an arbiter of the Constitution, just a political hack.

    Nowhere did I ever wish her ill or to die.

    That is just Corey’s usual pathological lying.

  901. CG says:

    I do not believe she has missed any “votes.”

    But as pointed out, other Justices have been sick before and missed arguments. We would have all wanted Scalia hooked up to every machine in the world rather than want Obama or Hillary to have replaced him.

    Unless there is a public cover-up, her cancer was removed and she is expected to recover. This has been a matter of a few weeks thus far, not more than that.

    Her “votes” aside, I think that’s good that she will live, for her family’s sake. (You found it funny when my grandmother died. Even Bitterlaw now says he wished he didn’t make those posts and you were worse than him.)

    Whether RBG retires or not is up to her. She was given the job for life.

  902. jason says:

    “jason clearly responded that he found her “will to live” = “disgusting.”

    No, I found her desire to stay in office while unfit for the job disgusting.

    GFY again.

  903. jason says:

    I do not believe she has missed any “votes.”

    She missed arguments.

    “Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is missing arguments for the first time in more than 25 years as she recuperates from cancer surgery last month, the Supreme Court said.

    Ginsburg was not on the bench as the court met Monday to hear arguments. It was not clear when she would return to the court, which will hear more cases on Tuesday and Wednesday, and again next week.

    Court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said the 85-year-old justice is continuing to recuperate and work from home after doctors removed two cancerous growths from her left lung on Dec. 2”

    I think she should retire.

  904. CG says:

    Bitterlaw specifically said he wished she would retire.

    You disagreed with his post without qualification. You went after the “will to live.” You said “why” even after he specified he wanted her to retire.

    Shame Shame.

  905. jason says:

    “You found it funny when my grandmother died”

    I doubt it.

    I don’t remember very well, but I think I found it funny you used your grandmother’s death as an excuse for something, forget what it was.

    I believe Bitter caught you in the same BS.

  906. CG says:

    She can read the arguments from home. She hasn’t missed any “votes.”

    If you don’t like the way she votes, her missing votes should not be a problem for you.

    But let the poor frail woman live for crying out loud.

  907. CG says:

    My 102 year old grandmother fell at home on a Friday, was found nearly 24 hours later, hospitalized and then moved into a nursing home/hospice on a Sunday afternoon (she was pretty tough since she lived for another month after this happened) and I was not around to take responsibility for Jay Cutler throwing an interception earlier in the day. Of course, I was likely posting the next day.

    So, you had lots of jokes and nasty comments to make about this family situation.

  908. jason says:

    Here is the full context about what I meant about Ginsburg and why I wanted her to retire.

    Nowhere do I say I want her to be ill or die, just retire.

    jason says:
    January 12, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Somehow I doubt Jason would find it disgusting if a long-serving conservative Justice defied ill health to ensure a liberal Dem President could appoint a replacement.”

    Zzzzzzzz…

    Ginsburg is no longer fit for being on SCOTUS and is hanging on just for political purposes, and by her statements has admitted as much. She has abandoned any pretense of fulfilling her role as justice”

    “The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution”

    Her allegiances are to left wing partisan politics and the Democratic Party, not the law or the constitution.

    I don’t see anything admirable in that.

    This is the real reason Ginsburg won’t do the right thing and resign. TDS. She is on record, as a SCOTUS judge that she should move to New Zealand if Trump got elected.

    Referring to something she thought her late husband, tax lawyer Martin Ginsburg, would have said, she said: “Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand.”

    “He is a faker,” she said of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, going point by point, as if presenting a legal brief. “He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego. … How has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? The press seems to be very gentle…

    “I can’t imagine what this place would be — I can’t imagine what the country would be — with Donald Trump as our president,”

    Political bias is not new to SCOTUS, but in the past justices have at least maintained a certain decorum regarding their views and couched them in a legal framework. By insulting Trump with personal attacks, she assumed the role of political attack dog.

    Again, not “admirable” in that.”

  909. jason says:

    So it’s clear that what I don’t find “admirable” is not her will to live, but the fact she won’t retire.

  910. jason says:

    So, you had lots of jokes and nasty comments to make about this family situation.”

    You made a mockery out of your grandmother’s death and you have the balls to criticize other people for their comments.

    You used her death for cheap theatrics.

    Shame, shame.

  911. CG says:

    Her allegiances are to America, same as Kavanaugh, Thomas, and all the others. You and I (even though you, unlike me, are adamantly pro-abortion) may not like her rulings, but nothing about her suggests she is personally or professionally corrupt.

    She has the job for life. You could have said to Bitterlaw, “I hope she retires” but no, you specifically disagreed with his post which was about her wanting to stay alive (and a goofy scenario about organ donation.)

    Just admit you effed up on how you responded to Bitterlaw and that would be a start.

  912. CG says:

    No theatrics, I simply pointed out I was not on HHR right after a Bears loss because I was with my family dealing with a difficult situation (I did watch the game though I think)

    And then you went on and on for days about how you may not be able to post because your goat or llama was ill, etc.

    You just aren’t a very good person. At least not online.

  913. jason says:

    Corey always gets caught in his web of lies.

  914. lisab says:

    jason,

    i was just about to post that full quote …

    it is amazing that cg did not see that …

    one might almost think he was trying to be intentionally deceptive

  915. lisab says:

    You just aren’t a very good person. At least not online.
    —————————

    jason wins all the points for january …

  916. jason says:

    She has the job for life”

    Zzzzzzz…no sh-t?

    Now you want to play moron.

    Nobody questioned her right to die in office.

    I think when you are too sick or old to ably perform your duties, you should retire.

    I think when you have as many health issues as she has, she should retire.

    You can disagree, but don’t lie and say I wish her ill or death, because I don’t and I never said that.

  917. CG says:

    Bitterlaw said he wished she would retire.

    jason said why?

    Bitterlaw also said he admired her will to live

    jason said why and said he thought it was “disgusting.”

    Are you seriously going to claim that if Scalia had somehow survived his heart attack and been on life support, or hospitalized for months, with Obama as President, you would have wanted them to pull the plug on him or demand he resign?

  918. jason says:

    “You just aren’t a very good person. At least not online.”

    I would have gotten more points if he hadn’t made that caveat.

    Bastard.

  919. CG says:

    “Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    —–Why?

    —–Frankly I find it disgusting.

    Speaks for itself. She probably has the will to live until Trump’s successor is out of office too. Just say “I hope she retires” next time.

  920. jason says:

    Are you seriously going to claim that if Scalia had somehow survived his heart attack and been on life support, or hospitalized for months, with Obama as President, you would have wanted them to pull the plug on him or demand he resign?”

    Yes. I would have thought it appropriate he resign, I would not have demanded they pull the plug.

    And I would have urged McConnell not to confirm a flaming liberal in his place.

  921. CG says:

    You would have not wanted Scalia to resign and any leftist who suggested he should you would have treated on here with worse scorn than I am showing you.

  922. CG says:

    But hey, I accept we are different people. You are the one who has to live with himself. If you are satisfied with yourself, that’s your prerogative.

  923. lisab says:

    This is the real reason Ginsburg won’t do the right thing and resign.
    ————————

    who said that?

  924. jason says:

    “Justice Ginsburg should retire but I admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    —–Why?

    —–Frankly I find it disgusting.”

    You have my subsequent post where I fully expand on that and where the context is obvious, but you chose to interpret in a manner nobody else, even my nemesis NYC who is critical of just about anything I write, interpreted.

    The “disgusting” part had nothing to do with her will to live, but her desire to hang on to the office.

    But of course, you know that.

  925. CG says:

    If Trump announced he had cancer or Ahlzheimer’s or whatever, but wanted to stay in office and seek reelection, jason would be all onboard and insisting no other Republican could win.

  926. CG says:

    Unless the subsequent post included an apology or admission of having misspoke (just like I did today when I accidentally said Duke was Trump-Lite) it’s irrelevant to me.

  927. lisab says:

    But hey, I accept we are different people.
    ————————

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYTeYFtjuS4

  928. CG says:

    And for the record, Ginsburg admitted her personal comments about Trump were not appropriate and apologized.

    Imagine if Trump ever did that…

  929. jason says:

    ut hey, I accept we are different people.”

    Absolutely.

    You are a lying s-ck of crap.

    You have now accused me of saying something I did not say like 10 times. Even with the evidence of a subsequent post where I clearly explain my reasons for not “admiring” RBG effort to stay in office you continue to repeat the same lie.

    Very different.

  930. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Acting Ag Whitaker says f. Mukehead is close to completing his witch hunt,

  931. CG says:

    If you didn’t have a guilty conscience, you wouldn’t still be trying to explain it away.

  932. Tina says:

    one might almost think he was trying to be intentionally deceptive

    Not the Clinton Groupie.

    /s

  933. Wes says:

    944 proves Bitter was right.

  934. CG says:

    See you next week!

  935. jason says:

    Ginsburg admitted her personal comments”

    Hello?

    What “personal” comments.

    Tell me you think a SCOTUS judge telling a NYT reporter something is “personal”.

    Telling her daughter is personal. NYT? No.

    Ginsburg had been under fire for much of the week for telling a New York Times reporter, “I can’t imagine what this place would be—I can’t imagine what the country would be—with Donald Trump as our president. For the country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be—I don’t even want to contemplate that.”

    Similarly, she told the AP that she assumed Democrat Hillary Clinton – the 83-year-old Ginsburg was nominated to the court in 1993 by President Bill Clinton – would win the November election.

    Asked what would happen if Trump won instead, she said: “I don’t want to think about that possibility, but if it should be, then everything is up for grabs.”

    Personal my ass. She endorsed Hillary. Even the liberal professors said that was unprecedented in a campaign..

    “I find it baffling actually that she says these things,” said Arthur Hellman, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who studies the judiciary. “She must know that she shouldn’t be. However tempted she might be, she shouldn’t be doing it.”

  936. jason says:

    you wouldn’t still be trying to explain it away.”

    Considering I never wished RGB ill or her death, never, I haven’t tried to explain anything away.

    You are the one continually lying about what I said.

  937. lisab says:

    new hit video released on bernie sanders

    suspected release by hillary team

    bernie sanders half naked, singing “This Land Is Your Land”

    with soviet students back in the 1980’s …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6kTK5t5Ic

    (was originally released under new twitter account)

  938. lisab says:

    hillary is strongly considering running

  939. lisab says:

    jason,

    you should call everyone you don’t like a racist/nazi/fascist/communist … and misrepresent what they have said …

    you know, be more like cg

  940. Big Joe says:

    2 inches of snow expected in Atlanta tomorrow. Everything is already shut down. Long lines at teh grocery stores.

    Wish me luck, hope I survive. Peace out.

    Big Joe

  941. lisab says:

    walt!

    what the heck are you guys doing down in west ginia! did you stop mining coal or something?

    what do we want? GLOBAL WARMING!

    when do we want it? NOW!

  942. lisab says:

    you know it is bad when minnesota closes the public schools because of cold weather

    keep digging walt!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyK5MErw3r4&list=PLyYsZTdTy9GaLR3-wQnpwbVHzIwGnCK2_&index=5

  943. jason says:

    Two whole inches?

    Dang, I hope Big Joe does pull through even if he is a Dem.

    (Corey will be here soon saying that I am hoping Big Joe dies in the snowstorm)

  944. jason says:

    Mukehead?

    That’s new.

  945. lisab says:

    Two whole inches?

    ———————–

    that’s what she said

  946. jason says:

    Well, you guys read what Corey said..

    I want to be popular here. And liked.

    I have obviously been horribly unsuccessful, but open to suggestions.

  947. NYCmike says:

    “Just admit you effed up on how you responded to Bitterlaw and that would be a start.”

    -I have to apologize as well, since I didn’t have the same thoughts on jason’s comments as “CG” did.

  948. jason says:

    Hey NYC, all along I am just trying to get you to like me, according to our resident psycho……

    Where did I go wrong?

  949. jason says:

    Tornado hits another of Proud ObamaCON’s socialist paradises..

    “A quarter of the city’s roughly 2 million people were without power Monday afternoon and more than 200,000 people had lost water service because of a broken main and power cuts that left pumps out of service. Some 100 underground cisterns close to the coastal section of Havana were contaminated by seawater.

    Residents of the three relatively poor boroughs hit by the tornado were bracing for further calamity once the tropical sun started to dry sodden buildings, which can often lead to structures shifting and collapsing.

    Some of the heaviest damage from Sunday night’s rare tornado was in the eastern borough of Guanabacoa, where the twister tore the roof off a shelter for dozens of homeless families.

    Cubans enduring long waits for government housing often live in such multifamily shelters for years.

    Dianabys Bueno, 31, was living in the shelter with her husband and son after they were forced to relocate by the collapse of their home in Central Havana. Much of the housing in Havana is in dire condition due to years without maintenance, and building collapses are routine even in ordinary storms.

    “This has already happened to us once,” Bueno said. “I’m not going anywhere.”

  950. NYCmike says:

    “Where did I go wrong?”

    -As Instapundit would say…I am going to need a bigger blog for that…..

  951. lisab says:

    I am just trying to get you to like me

    ———————–

    that’s what she said

  952. jason says:

    Well, I don’t like this idea that I just want to ingratiate myself with everyone.

    I will try to be more confrontational, even if Corey doesn’t think its in my nature.

  953. jason says:

    No more Mr. Nice Guy, try to please everyone, get along, soft touch jason.

    Btw, I showed this to my wife.

    “Regular life jason is meek and probably has never even raised his voice in his life. Internet jason, in such of approval, gets to act out a fantasy”

    I was afraid she was going to choke or have a stroke she was laughing so hard.

  954. lisab says:

    “Regular life jason is meek and probably has never even raised his voice in his life. Internet jason, in such of approval, gets to act out a fantasy”
    ——————-

    this from cg, the person addisonst said still lived with his parents and had never been in a relationship?

    yeah … jason is meek

  955. NYCmike says:

    “yeah … jason is meek”

    -Let me tell you, if any GOD/G-d/god allows this b*st*rd to inherit the earth, I am going to join up with Wes and start dating strippers!

  956. CG says:

    -jason should embrace his true-life meekness instead of being the fake tough guy he is here. Obviously, he has been given a lot to think about.

  957. CG says:

    addisonst, in his drunken state said something else.

    I haven’t lived with my parents since 2003, although they live fairly close. I am sorry that lisab is estranged from her family, as she often discussed on here in the past. Maybe there can be hope in this new year.

    I am also content in all my current relationships, except for the one I had with the GOP.

  958. NYCmike says:

    “…except for the one I had with the GOP.”

    -If only Hillary had won……..

  959. CG says:

    I’d still be a Republican (as I am, for now) and Trump would not be.

  960. NYCmike says:

    “I’d still be a Republican (as I am, for now) and Trump would not be.”

    -And with a strong possibility of 6 liberal justices.

    JOY!

  961. NYCmike says:

    BUT, “CG” is a long-term thinker!

  962. CG says:

    There would be more Republican Justices of the SCOTUS in the long-term, but yes, I admit, I care about some things, such as morality and the character of the nation, more than I do the Supreme Court. I think the Court is quite an important issue, but definitely not the only one or the main one in regards to the direction of the nation. To me, some matters are fair more crucial and fundamental.

    People can feel differently if they want. I am being upfront about my view.

  963. Big Joe says:

    “Dang, I hope Big Joe does pull through even if he is a Dem.”

    #957-
    Thanks Jason, as usual you melt my heart. 😀

    Big Joe

  964. NYCmike says:

    “People can feel differently if they want.”

    -Such magnanimity!

    Isn’t this “man” just the most superb, moral being ever seen on an internet blog forum!

  965. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zaVYWLTkU

    -Get out there, Big Joe, before it is too late!

  966. Tina says:

    We can ask questi9ns about Ginsburg. She has not been seen publicly in a while.

    Last year, the jebots were asking questions about Melania, when she was out of public site for 20 days.

  967. Tina says:

    Looks like Schiff for Brains is melting down on twitter.

    He attacked Whitaker for making his statement about F. Mulehead.

  968. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    951. new hit video released on bernie sanders
    suspected release by hillary team
    bernie sanders half naked, singing “This Land Is Your Land” with soviet students back in the 1980’s …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6kTK5t5Ic
    (was originally released under new twitter account)

    Actually the video makes Sanders look almost likable as a person. He is not carrying on his usual verbal harangue.

  969. Bitterlaw says:

    Long day of posts by Corey. A few quick points.

    I do not believe that Jason wants RBG dead. He explained his view.

    I was insensitive about the death of Corey’s grandmother but I recall that he did disappear at times for reasons allegedly related to her but also did not posting about the Bears.

  970. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow, watching Sen. Harris on CNN. Can’t wait until we have a president who can actually put a sentence together! What a breath of fresh air.

    Harris, Beto, whoever. Sorry Big Joe, it’s not gonna be your boy, Joe Biden. Biden should not even run, his time has passed.

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  971. NYCmike says:

    “Wow, watching Sen. Harris on CNN. Can’t wait until we have a president who can actually put a sentence together! What a breath of fresh air.”

    -To all those former workers (2017-2020), who will once again be collecting SNAP benefits, the ability of their President to read perfectly off of a teleprompter will be extremely valuable.

  972. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    984. “it’s not gonna be your boy, Joe Biden. Biden should not even run, his time has passed.”

    Sorry Obcom, its going to be Hillary. She has earned her right to the nomination, and will be renominated until she finally wins. Its clear your just a Russian troll from 2016 trying to prevent Hillary from achieving what is rightful hers.

  973. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    European politics is getting as toxic as U.S. politics:

    This week, the Italian ambassador in Paris was summoned to the French foreign ministry for a dressing down over comments made by Italy’s deputy PM. Luigi di Maio had blamed France for Europe’s migration problems, saying France had “never stopped colonising tens of African states”, resulting in Africa’s impoverishment. As a result, he called for the EU to apply sanctions against France. Di Maio isn’t the only Italian politician stirring up trouble. On Wednesday, the country’s other deputy PM Matteo Salvini expressed support for the gilets jaunes on Facebook, saying that he hoped the French people would soon be rid of a ‘bad president’.”

  974. jason says:

    So Corey doesn’t want RBG to resign because somehow that would be “good” for Trump.

    The fact we would have a conservative court for decades to come is secondary to his sour grapes about Trump trashing Jeb in the primaries.

    What a conservative!

  975. jason says:

    On Wednesday, the country’s other deputy PM Matteo Salvini expressed support for the gilets jaunes on Facebook, saying that he hoped the French people would soon be rid of a ‘bad president’”

    People forget Obama actually endorsed Macron, but that was ok because the MSM liked Macron.

    It’s ok to interfere in the elections of other countries as long as you are interfering for the right cause.

    Imagine if the Russians had hacked the RNC instead of the DNC and Hillary had won the the election. Do you think anyone in the MSM would have called for any investigation?

  976. jason says:

    I was insensitive about the death of Corey’s grandmother but I recall that he did disappear at times for reasons allegedly related to her but also did not posting about the Bears.”

    It was Corey who was insensitive to his grandmother’s death by using her as a prop to justify whatever he wanted to justify at the time.
    She was just disposable fodder for whatever was more important to him at the time.

    In any case there is zero analogy to what I posted about RBG. I want her to resign because of she is in ill health and it is impacting her work on SCOTUS and I want Trump to appoint a replacement. If you are a conservative and think that she is healthy enough to stay on, fine.

    But anyone who claims to be a conservative should want Trump to be able to appoint her replacement. You can hope he gets to do that without wishing her ill or to die, there are many instances in the past where justices resigned for reasons of ill health, age, to take other positions, etc.

    I hope RBG decides she wants to spend the rest of her days with her family instead of on SCOTUS, and that she is happy and healthy while doing it.

    Corey can GFH again.

  977. Wes says:

    Democrats really have no problem with Putin. Otherwise Obama wouldn’t have been so flippant about him in 2012. Putin is a legitimate foreign-policy problem for the US, but Democrats cheapen that by hypocritically using him as an attempt to discredit Trump for the sole purpose of scoring self-serving political points.

  978. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Many Trump supporters also think Putin is not so bad because…um…Trump deals with him and saying Putin is bad would be agreeing with the hypocritical Dems.

  979. Messy says:

    986. The informal rule is “two strikes and you’re out.” The Republicans have it at three.

    Remember Harold Stassen and Gene McCarthy. They woudn’t give it to Stevenson in ’60 or Humphrey in ’72, or McGovern in ’84.

    Nixon was unique.

  980. Big Joe says:

    Hillary has two good chances and it didn’t work out for her. It happens.

    So she hasn’t ruled out another run, well neither have I. I’m confident predicting neither Hillary nor I will end up running.

    Biden is hanging tough. Kamala Harris is off to a strong start.

    Big Joe

  981. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Half Truth Robbie and CG will be heartbroken by the news that the insufferable Jeff Flake will NOT primary The Donald in 2020.
    He’s a coward and punk.

    https://twitter.com/alanhe

  982. jason says:

    Flake is assured one vote in KY and one in IL I guess, assuming Amoral Scumbag actually votes in a R primary, certainly not a given.

    I would re-register as a R just to “vote against him” in the R primary, but we don’t have the “against” option in our antiquated voting machines in Bumf-ck, PA, only those elite Radnor voting precincts have them.

  983. Robbie says:

    Hey, Jason fraud. Are these bad numbers?

    Carrie Dann
    @CarrieNBCNews

    In new WaPo/ABC poll, % saying they would definitely NOT vote for Trump in 2020 general elex:

    Voters: 56%
    Independents: 59%
    White men non-college: 32%
    White women non-college: 47%
    White men college+: 46%
    White women college+: 65% (!)
    Black: 90%
    Hispanic: 76%
    Suburban: 56%

  984. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    January 29, 2019 at 10:19 am
    Half Truth Robbie and CG will be heartbroken by the news that the insufferable Jeff Flake will NOT primary The Donald in 2020.
    He’s a coward and punk.

    – I Sheeple’s orange colored world, anyone who dares speak against Donald the Great is insufferable.

    Actually, Sheeple, the coward and the punk is the guy who tough talked about never surrendering on the shutdown only to surrender on the shutdown without getting a penny for muh wall.

  985. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 29, 2019 at 10:38 am
    Flake is assured one vote in KY and one in IL I guess, assuming Amoral Scumbag actually votes in a R primary, certainly not a given.
    I would re-register as a R just to “vote against him” in the R primary, but we don’t have the “against” option in our antiquated voting machines in Bumf-ck, PA, only those elite Radnor voting precincts have them.

    – Jason fraud is so committed to conservative views like free trade he’s willing to re-register as a Republican to vote against the guy advocating for free trade so he can support the guy who favors economy wrecking tariffs. But there’s nothing fraudulent about that, right?

    As for Jeff Flake, if he had run in the primary, I would have voted for him against Trump. I will vote in the primary for any credible candidate who takes on Trump. I will not vote for Trump in the Republican primary because he is not a Republican. That said, I never saw Flake as a remotely credible challenger to Trump even though he has an actual record as a conservative.

    I guess Jason fraud and Sheeple would have been more likely to support Flake is he had f@cked a porn star three months after his third wife had given birth to their only son because that is apparently the new defining characteristic of conservatism.

  986. Diamond Jim says:

    M

  987. Robbie says:

    Everything’s fine.

    Peter Wallsten
    @peterwallsten

    NEW POST-ABC POLL: A 56 percent majority of all Americans say they would “definitely not” vote for Trump, including majorities of independents (59 percent), women (64 percent) and suburbanites (56 percent), @michaelscherer & @sfcpoll report.

  988. CG says:

    I like what I have been hearing from Governor Hogan:

    https://governor.maryland.gov/2019/01/16/2019-inaugural-address/

    I’ve been pretty realistic about what a primary to an incumbent President involves, but the poll out today shows only 65% of Republicans now think Trump should be re-nominated. There is definitely movement against him. He quit on “The Wall” and I believe he will eventually quit the race for one reason or another.

  989. jason says:

    “There is definitely movement against him.”

    LOL

    “Movement”

    Let’s see who actually runs against him.

  990. Wobbles says:

    Here is what I think.

    You can govern as a conservative, but you will never be a conservative if you trashed my candidate in 2016 and is accused of having a one night stand a decade before you became President.

    And you can bring peace to the world and cure cancer, I will oppose both those things if I think you will get any credit for them.

    Because I am an Amoral Scumbag.

  991. Robbie says:

    No biggie, right guys?

    Texas Republicans fear Trump could lose the state in 2020

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/texas-republicans-fear-trump-could-lose-the-state-in-2020

  992. Robbie says:

    Watching Jason fraud throw away whatever little bit of credibility he had has been a positive side effect of the Trumpism. Watching him try and pretend he really wasn’t a devoted Trump apologist in 2021 after trump is gone is going to be fun to watch.

  993. Phil says:

    Wait a minute. Flake? The guy who single handedly held up 55 conservative judge nominees until his term expired and he was finally gone? Yes, a true Republican. Robbie would have voted for him? What a surprise. The “conservative Republican” strikes again.

    No prob. Robbie still has the opportunity to vote for Kamala Harris in the GE.

  994. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Biden is hanging tough. Kamala Harris is off to a strong start.”

    BJ, Biden is not hanging tough. It’s all name rec. He will fade. Thanks for the memories with Pres. Obama, now its time for a new face.

    #RESIST!

  995. Big Joe says:

    #1008-
    What’s up Proud! Who’s gonna take the nomination? You think we bring it home in 2020?

    Big Joe

  996. Robbie says:

    Trump’s not there just yet, but he’s approaching dead-man-walking status as a 2020 candidate. The professionals who run campaigns for a living know this, but they also know there’s no dealing with the red hat brigades who think Trump is a master strategist and actually won the shutdown fight with Pelosi.

    When 56% of the country already says they will not vote for a candidate 19 months ahead of time, that’s a major problem. Effectively, he’s approaching Mark Kirk status in 2015. Everyone knew he was going to lose, the polls showed he was going to lose badly, and he lost badly.

    And what’s worse for Trump is the shutdown fight showed he’s lost whatever ability he had to persuade people. After his Oval Office speech, a poll showed just 2% of people had their minds changed by what he said. A politician who has lost the ability to persuade cannot win.

    And before the usual suspect shout “but 2016”, let me remind you that Hillary Clinton, the worst national candidate since McGovern, is not going to be Trump’s opponent in 2020 so find a new talking point.

  997. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 11:37 am
    Wait a minute. Flake? The guy who single handedly held up 55 conservative judge nominees until his term expired and he was finally gone? Yes, a true Republican. Robbie would have voted for him? What a surprise. The “conservative Republican” strikes again.
    No prob. Robbie still has the opportunity to vote for Kamala Harris in the GE.

    – First, it’s really sad Phil’s go-to move when I disagree with Trump is to claim I’m a liberal who’s going to vote for a Democrat. Honestly, find better material. Of course with as bad as Trump’s polling is, I’m not surprised you’re looking to deflect the issue to me rather than focus on the guy with the awful polling numbers.

    As for Flake, it was a petty move and he did it to spite Trump (Trump’s never done anything spiteful, right?), but spare me the crocodile tears, Phil. Flake did that because he wanted to get a vote on a Mueller protection bill and he knew full well that with 53 Senators in 2019 all of those nominees would be confirmed, just a few months later. He said he wouldn’t have don it had control of the chamber flipped.

    If you’re so pissy about petty moves, then I’m sure you objected to Trump trashing Flake all throughout 2017 and ensuring he would not be able to run again. Ending up with Synema was a master stroke by the Sun Tzu Trump, right?

  998. Wobbles says:

    As for Flake, it was a petty move and he did it to spite Trump”

    Believe me, I would know.

    Nobody is more petty or spiteful than me, Flake is a mere amateur.

    When it comes to being small minded, I am a real pro.

  999. jason says:

    “Ending up with Synema was a master stroke by the Sun Tzu Trump, right?”

    Flake was never going to win the the GE in AZ, McSally was a much better candidate. If he had run he would have cost the GOP a lot of down ballot seats too.

    Unfortunately, deadenders Ward and Arpaio made her waste a lot of money and political capital and cost her a narrow loss.

  1000. Proud Obamacon says:

    AZ was a great win for us and should be a very winnable state in 2020 for POTUS and Senate. Things are looking up in AZ.

    Chemtrail Kelli leading the RePUKEs. Sheriff Joe now has the racist vote all to himself, he should primary McSally LOL. AZ is a disaster for RePUKEs! How do we send money to Sheriff Joe?

    #RESIST!!

  1001. Proud Obamacon says:

    “What’s up Proud! Who’s gonna take the nomination? You think we bring it home in 2020?”

    I don’t know who gunna take the nomination, but I know who WON’T – Joe Biden!

    I am very very optimistic that we’ll win in 2020, but I know one scenario where we will lose, and that is if we nominate —– JOE BIDEN!

    #RESIST!

  1002. Proud Obamacon says:

    Go ahead Jason, get your Venezuela post out of the way, sport. LOL such a sorry triggered soul Jason is.

    #RESIST!

  1003. CG says:

    Neither McCain nor Flake had ever lost a race in Arizona, (McSally had before) yet some here wanted them out of the party.

    Some choose to believe a PPP (D) push poll on Flake but ignore any poll from any source about Trump’s unpopularity.

    McSally lost for one reason. She was perceived as too beholden to Trump. Flake was right all along.

  1004. CG says:

    “LOL such a sorry triggered soul Jason is.”

    Be careful, he’ll run crying to his wife about you.

  1005. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    January 29, 2019 at 12:13 pm
    “Ending up with Synema was a master stroke by the Sun Tzu Trump, right?”
    Flake was never going to win the the GE in AZ, McSally was a much better candidate. If he had run he would have cost the GOP a lot of down ballot seats too.
    Unfortunately, deadenders Ward and Arpaio made her waste a lot of money and political capital and cost her a narrow loss.

    – Predictably, Jason fraud missed the point of my comments. Had Sun Tzu Trump not spent 2017 deriding Jeff Flake, Flake’s standing within the Republican Party would not have fallen. And had his standing within the party not fallen, Flake would have been able to run and, most likely win reelection. After all, he’d never lost a race before.

    Instead, Sun Tzu Trump made it his personal mission to ensure Flake became unpopular and unable to run. That opened the door for ridiculous primary runs from Chemtrail Kelli and pardoned felon Sheriff Joe. And because Trump has made Republican primaries a test of loyalty to him, McSally had to take pro-Trump positions in the primary that were always going to hurt her in the general election. Thus, she lost to anti-war socialist. Brilliant!

    And unfortunately, McSally will likely lose again in 2020 because Sun Tzu Trump is turning Arizona into purple or blue state. More strategic brilliance from Sun Tzu Trump.

  1006. Phil says:

    Look. Robbie is suddenly concerned about Texas. The guy who once said he didn’t care about the border is now suddenly worried that Texas will go blue. Oh, the irony. How rich. Well no sh#t, Sherlock. The increasingly more and more Hispanic population of the Southwest is going to push Texas blue. Imagine that.

    But hey, who cares about the border.

  1007. CG says:

    So, the fact that Trump is so unpopular among legal immigrants and people who were born in Texas and lived there for generations is a “border” issue?

    Sounds more like a “people think Trump is a racist” issue.

    and N/T

  1008. CG says:

    Keep in mind that if only native-born Texans were allowed to vote in 2018, Cruz would have lost 51-48.

    It’s all the Yankees crossing the Texas border that saved Cruz’s job. If Trump wins Texas in 2020, the same will apply.

    A case can hardly be made that Texas is slipping away from Trump because “illegals are voting.”