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Edwards Has Large Lead in LA Gov Race

We have a new poll for the gubernatorial race in Louisiana that shows Democrat Jon Bel Edwards in strong position for re-election, coming up 5% shy of winning the race outright during the primary. The results from a polling outfit called LJR Custom Strategies that was paid for by a Democratic Party-leaning group.

GOVERNOR – LOUISIANA – PRIMARY (LJR)
Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 45%
Ralph Abraham (R) 17%
Eddie Rispone (R) 4%

GOVERNOR – LOUISIANA – RUNOFF (LJR)
Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 47%
Ralph Abraham (R) 27%

Jon Bel Edwards (D-inc) 47%
Eddie Rispone (R) 19%

This poll was done January 14-27 among 600 likely voters. Don;t forget, you can see all the public polls thus far at The Hedgehog Report PollWatch Page for Louisiana.

Posted by Dave at 1:04 pm
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497 Responses to “Edwards Has Large Lead in LA Gov Race”

  1. CG says:

    First

    Thread Rule-

    Contemplate just how much Donald J. Trump sucks as a President, a Republican candidate, and as a person.

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    OK as President and superior in every way to President Hillary. Trick question since he is not a Republican but he did win. Truly horrible as a person.

  3. CG says:

    1. Even if one thinks that, he still sucks in general at his job. Even if people thought he was doing some good things, that’s over now after the complete and utter Cave to Pelosi.
    2. True in part, but he is running theoretically as a Republican candidate and a very weak one.
    3. Correct

  4. dblaikie says:

    The poor Trump derangement people (you know who you are) are like blind mice to reality. It was just a few days ago that Wormtongue was taunting how wrong I was to claim that Trump turned the corner with his compromise during the shut down. I was a loon, mentality impaired, a Trump symphacant, and on and on.

    Well, it turns out according to the new Wall Street Journal Poll Nancy Pelosi’s rating suffered more than Trump. Here is the link: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/427254-new-poll-shows-speaker-pelosis-approval-rating-down-during-government. Wormtongue and CG, your girl Nancy has an impressively low approval rating of 28%. Trump is at 43% not bad considering events of the last month.

    The amazing thing is this is poll of adults. I usually ignore adult polls because they are biased towards the dems and half of adults don’t vote. I will bet anything that their registered voter result was even worse for the Trump haters.

    So Wormtongue and CG time to slither back into your holes.

  5. dblaikie says:

    Oh I know that Wormtongue will claim that the NBC poll has made a rare mistake. Sorry Worm but the new Monmouth Poll has Trump at 43% too. Rasmussen (don’t worry I know you hate them) is at 45%. In fact if you go on over RCP you see that the last two weeks have revealed an uptick in Trump’s approval. Sorry Worm!

  6. CG says:

    To the kind and godly Pastor,

    Does it really matter what Pelosi’s numbers are nationally? What’s she running for nationally? I’ve never liked her politically.

    Trump was already very unpopular and clearly more people have blamed him for the shutdown. That’s why he caved. Bigly. You have been wrong at every turn on this but keep giving it the old try.

  7. dblaikie says:

    Wes what about our bet if the Starbucks gets into the race. If he wins but Trump comes in second and Biden third do I still win? Or vice versa do you still win?

  8. CG says:

    This cited poll shows that Pelosi, who only has to appear on the ballot in San Francisco is at 47% disapproval nationally while Trump, whom has to run everywhere is at 54% disapproval nationally, and yet Trump is “winning?” (That is considered a strong poll for him to his fans)

    Definitely Baghdad Bob territory.

  9. dblaikie says:

    Sorry CG, I haven’t been wrong. I have always said Trump made a big mistake to “own” the shutdown. All have said since then is that he turned the corner since then. I still stand by that. Frankly, I am looking forward to Trump’s State of the Union and the sure fire dem, loon, overreach.

    Trump derangement is the gift that will keep on giving. So CG, here is my prediction: by the time this pause from the shutdown ends Trump will be in a far better position.

    And stupid, again, if Trump was humiliated by the dems, if he was rolled over, if he should go hide and resign, why are his numbers in unfriendly media polls staying steady and if you are honest, picking up?

  10. CG says:

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, now cognizant of Trump’s surrender, and weak lame duck status, just slapped at him today over his desire to withdraw from Syria and Afghanistan. McConnell made clear how much he opposed that.

    Which pro-Trump Senator do you guys want to replace McConnell?

  11. CG says:

    The only corner he turned was by surrendering. Even Fox News gets this. Why are you in denial? He LOST. Hugely.

  12. Phil says:

    Hey, I’m just glad Robbie is suddenly worried about Texas. Lol

  13. CG says:

    I see no evidence of his polls “picking up.” Rasmussen, which said the generic vote in 2018 on Election Day was a 1 point GOP advantage shows it up two points? Statistical noise.

    In every poll, Trump is down from where he was a month ago.

    Well over 50 percent of likely voters are saying there is no scenario where they can vote for him in 2020.

    And this is all before the Mueller Report comes out.

    He’s already lost Ann Coulter and Mike Cernovich.

    He’s in a very, very bad position.

  14. dblaikie says:

    Sorry CG, but propaganda once again! in the article it is pointed out that Gallup reflected that Trump’s approval was roughly the same as Obama’s at a similar point in his tenure. One thing for sure is, Nancy the leader, the face, the intellect, the moving force, of the Democratic Party is at 28% percent nationally, Trump is at 43% with adults amazingly.

  15. CG says:

    Gallup is only polling once a month now. I believe their last survey on Trump had him at 38%.

    Nancy Pelosi isn’t running nationally. Republicans tried to make her an issue in 2018, which of course makes sense because what else were they going to do, and it didn’t work. Democrats made massive House gains because of Trump.

    Pelosi will never be popular nationally (for good reason) but until the 2020 election, she is the most powerful figure in government now.

  16. CG says:

    *Far* fewer people have an opinion of Pelosi than those that do of Trump. A lot of people have never even heard of Pelosi, so of course her overall approval number (or that of any Speaker) will trail that of any President.

    Disapproval though… Trump’s number is significantly worse than Pelosi.

    My hunch is that her CD will vote to reelect her.

  17. dblaikie says:

    You are blind. Go to RCP and look at Trump’s approval. Before the Shutdown he was at about 43% during the Shutdown he dipped. In the last week he is back to around 43%. Like I say I am looking forward to the State of the Union.

  18. Phil says:

    Trump will lose…..so would any Republican.

    Demographics. It’s simple math.

  19. dblaikie says:

    Post 16 is a joke. Post by post you further define the sickness of Trump derangement.

  20. CG says:

    So, you are claiming that rebounding to 43% is a good showing?

  21. CG says:

    I would challenge anybody to find any poll from any point in American History in which the Speaker of the House had a higher “Job Approval” number than the POTUS.

    The day before Nixon resigned due to Watergate, he almost certainly had a higher JA than Carl Albert (and a much higher Disapproval too of course)

  22. CG says:

    Here’s the RCP Trump page:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

    To those who cannot stomach clicking on it, the results are not good.

  23. Phil says:

    Trump or no Trump you’re getting 8 yrs of Kamala, and she’ll make Obama seem like Reagan.

    Enjoy.

  24. CG says:

    The Helter Skelter School of Politics..

  25. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 1:36 pm
    Look. Robbie is suddenly concerned about Texas. The guy who once said he didn’t care about the border is now suddenly worried that Texas will go blue. Oh, the irony. How rich. Well no sh#t, Sherlock. The increasingly more and more Hispanic population of the Southwest is going to push Texas blue. Imagine that.
    But hey, who cares about the border.

    – I know Trumpism causes people to say some unusual things, but what does Trump possibly (not likely) losing Texas in 2020 have to do with the border? Obviously, the answer is nothing.

    The reason Trump might lose Texas in 2020 (he won’t) is the same reason Pete Sessions lost his Texas House district in 2018. Republicans are getting the crap kicked out of themselves in the suburbs because Donnie’s act is wearing thin and driving suburban woman away from the party. Or did anyone notice that Karen Handel lost in 2018 in a suburban district Tom Price won with 60% of the vote in 2016?

    Immigration and the border have ZERO to do with why Trump could have a more difficult time winning Texas than any Republican since Gerald Ford.

  26. Phil says:

    Houston ISD and Dallas ISD are now above 70% Hispanic. When Reagan was in office it was 22%…..but naw, the change in demographics has nothing to do with the fact that Beto carried Houston by half a million votes combined.

    Nope, border has nothing to do with election results. All those Hispanics are moving in from Kansas.

  27. Messy says:

    21. Not that many people had any idea who Carl Albert was. He and John McCormack were really low profile guys.

    Tip O’Niell only achieved a kind of fame in his job as the primary leader of the opposition during the Reagan administration.

    Most speakers don’t have anywhere as nearly a high a profile as Pelosi. Look at Hastart (now in jail).

  28. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 29, 2019 at 1:44 pm
    The poor Trump derangement people (you know who you are) are like blind mice to reality. It was just a few days ago that Wormtongue was taunting how wrong I was to claim that Trump turned the corner with his compromise during the shut down. I was a loon, mentality impaired, a Trump symphacant, and on and on.
    Well, it turns out according to the new Wall Street Journal Poll Nancy Pelosi’s rating suffered more than Trump. Here is the link: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/427254-new-poll-shows-speaker-pelosis-approval-rating-down-during-government. Wormtongue and CG, your girl Nancy has an impressively low approval rating of 28%. Trump is at 43% not bad considering events of the last month.
    The amazing thing is this is poll of adults. I usually ignore adult polls because they are biased towards the dems and half of adults don’t vote. I will bet anything that their registered voter result was even worse for the Trump haters.
    So Wormtongue and CG time to slither back into your holes.

    – Ah yes. Trump’s most devoted sycophant has arrived to say up is down and down is up.

    Trump got his rear end handed to him by Pelosi and only the most ridiculous among the Trump worshippers would believe otherwise. Pelosi has Trump’s balls hanging from her rear view mirror after whipping the “ultimate deal maker”. Yet, dblaikie said Trump’s decision to prevent Pelosi from traveling would turn the polls in his favor. Wrong.

    As for Pelosi’s ratings, who the heck cares? She’s not running for national office. She could have a 5% approval rating nationally and she’d still win her House district with more than 80% of the vote. In fact, she did just that in November.

    Trump, on the other hand, is running for national office so his rancid job approval rating does matter. And while poor dblaikie may think 43% is a good number, it’s not. That would equate to losing in a two person race in 2020 57-43 because president’s get their job approval rating on election day.

    But if dblaikie wants to tell himself stories that will make him feel better about the guy who screwed a porn star three months after his third wife gave birth to their only son, go for. And if he wants to claim appointing it.

  29. CG says:

    Again, as pointed out in the past thread…

    Native born Texans were voting Democrat in 2018. Yes, many of them are Hispanic. Their families have probably been in Texas longer than Phil’s family or just as long.

    Cruz won reelection because of the votes of his fellow Texas transplants. Conservative Yankees who moved to Texas years ago. Nowadays, some other white folk are also moving to Texas and those that are suburban or highly educated are turning away from the Republican Party. This is a huge long-term problem.

    The issue as to why after George W. Bush demonstrated so much political success with Latinos in Texas, why Republicans are suffering among them now (even as Cruz himself is Latino) is a completely different story.

    People who like Trump or who merely stomach him have to ask themselves why he is so unpopular among Latinos. Illegal immigrants are not the cause of this (native born Texans would have given Beto the win.)

  30. Big Joe says:

    “I don’t know who gunna take the nomination, but I know who WON’T – Joe Biden!

    I am very very optimistic that we’ll win in 2020, but I know one scenario where we will lose, and that is if we nominate —– JOE BIDEN!

    #RESIST!”

    Come on, Proud O. What you got against Uncle Joe? He’s a nice, down to earthy, folksy kinda guy and I think would appeal to variety of constituencies. And his gaffes are of the lovable type, so not a negative in my book 🙂

    Big Joe

  31. CG says:

    Hastert has been out of prison for a while now. The shame will live forever though.

  32. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 29, 2019 at 1:47 pm
    Oh I know that Wormtongue will claim that the NBC poll has made a rare mistake. Sorry Worm but the new Monmouth Poll has Trump at 43% too. Rasmussen (don’t worry I know you hate them) is at 45%. In fact if you go on over RCP you see that the last two weeks have revealed an uptick in Trump’s approval. Sorry Worm!

    – Nice try, Trump sycophant. I look at the RCP average for job approval.

    You can cherry pick polls all you want. We went through that here in 2018 with everyone telling me Rasmussen was reliable. How’d their claim Republicans would win the generic vote by 1 point nationally work out? Come to think of it, how’d your claim Republicans would lose fewer than 5 House seats work out?

  33. CG says:

    I think it is fair to say that far more Hispanics from Texas have moved to Kansas than the other way around.

  34. Waingro says:

    The sore loser from Georgia is giving the Dem response.

    Phil Mattingly
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    Schumer confirms that @staceyabrams will deliver the Democratic response to the State of the Union

  35. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:03 pm
    Sorry CG, but propaganda once again! in the article it is pointed out that Gallup reflected that Trump’s approval was roughly the same as Obama’s at a similar point in his tenure. One thing for sure is, Nancy the leader, the face, the intellect, the moving force, of the Democratic Party is at 28% percent nationally, Trump is at 43% with adults amazingly.

    – You really don’t understand a thing about politics, do you? Pelosi’s standing nationally means nothing because she’s not running for national office.

    As for Obama, give it a rest comparing his polling to Trump’s. Obama always remained personally popular even when his job approval suffered. That’s why he was able to recover. Trump’s personal approval is actually worse in some polls than his job approval and that’s why he can’t go much higher than he is.

  36. Phil says:

    I know a little about Texas politics. I taught 32 years in a white suburban school district 15 miles east of Houston. Suburban district mind you. When I started teaching there in 1977 my class rolls were right about 15% Hispanic. When I retired it was 45%. Five years later it’s right at 50%….and no, the Hispanic increase isn’t from families that have been in Texas longer than Phil’s family.

  37. CG says:

    Clearly, that choice is solely to try to get Trump to insult her physical appearance in some way on Twitter.

    Will he take the bait?

    I know many of his fans will want him to.

  38. Phil says:

    33

    Kansas and every other state.

  39. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:09 pm
    Trump will lose…..so would any Republican.
    Demographics. It’s simple math.

    – “Demographics is destiny” is a garbage argument. If demographics mattered, why did Rick Scott win? In fact, why did Rick Scott do so well with Hispanics?

    The myopic focus on immigration and border issues is precisely why the party is smaller and ruled by Trump. Those who are very sympathetic to the rest of the message Republicans have to offer are turned off by what is easily viewed as a mean and uninclusive message.

  40. CG says:

    Does it bother you Phil that the Hispanic population is increasing? I mean, I don’t want to put words in your mouth or anything. Sounds like people have moved within the state from more rural environs to a suburban area. That happens. When white people do it, it’s called “the American Dream.”

    But clearly, since the native born Texas vote would have given the win to the Democrat in the only competitive race in Texas in a very long time, I don’t know what else can be said.

    There’s certainly nothing illegal or unethical about this. It’s an issue of transplants to Texas liking the Republican more than native born Texans.

  41. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:11 pm
    Post 16 is a joke. Post by post you further define the sickness of Trump derangement.

    – You really don’t understand politics at all. You just understand sycophancy for Trump.

  42. Waingro says:

    “CG says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:48 pm
    Clearly, that choice is solely to try to get Trump to insult her physical appearance in some way on Twitter.”

    I think if he keeps his attacks to being a sore loser and a far left nut (particularly for State of Georgia), he will be fine. At least as far as I’m concerned.

  43. CG says:

    The smartest thing for Trump would be to avoid commenting on the Democrat response at all, but not many people have accused him of being smart.

  44. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:19 pm
    Trump or no Trump you’re getting 8 yrs of Kamala, and she’ll make Obama seem like Reagan.
    Enjoy.

    – There is still plenty of time for Republicans to wise up and throw Trump overboard. It’s January 2019, not January 2020. A regular Republican (Romney, Haley, Rubio, etc.) would be the favorite to defeat any Democrat thanks to the economy. The suburbs, which are threatening to go Democrat, would come back to Republicans.

    Trump is political anthrax for the party in 2020 because of who Trump is. A different candidate would not carry the political liabilities and burdens that Trump does.

  45. CG says:

    In regards to Texas specifically and reaching out nationally, I would look to someone like Congressman Will Hurd.

    He is an African-American Republican, representing a very Democrat leaning, heavily Hispanic district, one that has the largest border with Mexico as any state in the Union. He has now won twice in a row, against the odds.

    He’s an incredibly impressive person and a great representation of what the Republican Party could be and should be. He’s a bit on the wonkish side, so maybe not naturally a Presidential type contender, but hopefully his voice within the party increases moving forward.

  46. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:47 pm
    I know a little about Texas politics. I taught 32 years in a white suburban school district 15 miles east of Houston. Suburban district mind you. When I started teaching there in 1977 my class rolls were right about 15% Hispanic. When I retired it was 45%. Five years later it’s right at 50%….and no, the Hispanic increase isn’t from families that have been in Texas longer than Phil’s family.

    – Herein lies the problem. Some Republicans start with the assumption that Hispanics will never vote for Republicans so why bother? That was Barry Goldwater’s view about black voters in 1964. When someone asked why he wasn’t campaigning in urban (black) areas, he said that’s because there weren’t any votes there. Well, how has that viewed worked for the party the last 50 years?

    On the other hand, some of us still believe in the power of persuasion. Rather than just discard entire demographic segments, try and make the case to them. GWB did so and he won 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Romney tacked hard right in 2012 on immigration and got 27% of the vote.

    It’s not 1984 anymore. The era of 90% of the national vote being white is not going to happen anymore. Republicans have to learn to speak to Hispanics. Just throwing up your hands isn’t a strategy.

  47. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:53 pm
    “CG says:
    January 29, 2019 at 2:48 pm
    Clearly, that choice is solely to try to get Trump to insult her physical appearance in some way on Twitter.”
    I think if he keeps his attacks to being a sore loser and a far left nut (particularly for State of Georgia), he will be fine. At least as far as I’m concerned.

    – That will work with the hardcore 37% base, but he’s got expand his support level just to ensure he doesn’t get massacred in 2020. I don’t know that tweeting “socialism” is going to help bring back voters who’ve been peeling away from him since 2016.

  48. Robbie says:

    If Trump’s focus on the border and immigration is such a good thing, why then does polling show this?

    Aaron Blake
    @AaronBlake

    This is remarkable.

    Q: “American voters trust Democrats in Congress more than President Trump on the issue of border security, 50 – 41 percent.”

  49. Robbie says:

    Almost as if Trump’s anti-immigration message and wall message was a bad electoral strategy. I’m sure doubling down on it will produce different results in 2020.

    Josh Barro
    @jbarro

    Wow: In 6 of the 7 California districts Dems flipped in 2018, turnout among Hispanic registered voters rose by better than 30 points compared to 2014:

  50. Robbie says:

    It will be interesting to see if this is a blip or the beginning of McConnell and Senate Republicans breaking from Trump.

    Reuters Politics
    @ReutersPolitics

    JUST IN: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell says he would support bipartisan legislation to make government shutdowns more difficult, adds that he wants to avoid Trump declaring a national emergency to build border wall

  51. Phil says:

    No, the newbies that moved into the district where I taught weren’t coming from rural areas.

    The influx of Hispanics is coming from across the border….just like in California.

    As far as “does it bother you that the Hispanic population is growing”. don’t even start to go there. We’re talking about groups and historical effect on elections. Hispanics are no different than blacks or Jews voting Democratic or WASPs voting Republican. Those are the stats. When one traditional voting block of one of the parties grows in relation to the overall electorate it’s going to tilt the election outcomes.

    I can assure you that if those illegally coming in across the southern border we’re inclined to become eventual conservative Republican voters you think Democrats would be talking about defending sanctuary cites, opposition to border barriers, and abolishing iCE?

  52. lisab says:

    ladies and gentlemen,

    we have reached PEAK trolldom

    65% of the posts are either cg or robbie

    echo … echo … echo …

  53. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:22 pm
    ladies and gentlemen,
    we have reached PEAK trolldom
    65% of the posts are either cg or robbie
    echo … echo … echo …

    – I thought PEAK trolldom would be accusing people with whom you disagree of being gay.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “It will be interesting to see if this is a blip or the beginning of McConnell and Senate Republicans breaking from Trump.”

    -When I said I wanted, and expected, this on Jan. 21, 2017, they told me I didn’t know how government works…….2 years later, let’s see if the Senate can put forth a conservative agenda.

    I would settle for 2 more years of judges and no new laws, to be honest. I don’t need them “TO DO SOMETHING”.

  55. CG says:

    The data shows that “illegal immigration” has nothing to do with the increasing problem of Texas Republicans.

    If the vote was only given to native born Texans, Republicans would be worse off.

    Phil just seems to be a down on his luck guy. I feel for him. He feels like he has lost his America. He wants to wave the white flag for the country. Emphasis on white.

  56. NYCmike says:

    “– I thought PEAK trolldom would be accusing people with whom you disagree of being gay.”

    -She did NOT accuse you of being gay.

    She said that she thought you were gay.

    Subtle difference, but important.

  57. Phil says:

    No, peak trolldom would be accusing people with whom you disagree of being racist.

  58. NYCmike says:

    “Emphasis on white.”

    -And he accuses others of being “internet tough guys”.

    More and more, he sounds like a Democrat.

  59. Phil says:

    Emphasis on white.

    Just wow. What a cheap shot.

  60. Robbie says:

    If you just assume a demographic group will never vote for you and you make no effort to get a demographic group to vote for you, don’t be surprised when a demographic group doesn’t vote for you.

    And when you make scapegoats out of a particular demographic group to win reelection as Pete Wilson did in 1994, don’t be surprised when that group turns against you and takes a state that was solidly part of the Republican coalition in presidential years and turns it into a Democrat bastion.

  61. lisab says:

    be fair …

    i now think you are an incel

  62. CG says:

    It is a very basic matter.

    There are Hispanic-Americans who have been in America for generations, legally. There are many other Hispanics that have come to America legally. That is a good thing.

    Some have come illegally, and that is wrong, but they are having children, and the law is that their children are Americans. I certainly do not think the children should be punished. America is their country too.

    As long as Trumpism exists as the dominating force of the Republican Party, all sorts of Hispanic Republicans, and religious and racial minorities of other groups, will increasingly reject the Republican Party. Phil will get his wish.

    I think there is a better way and a way to appeal to the hearts and minds of all Americans, regardless of what color their skin is or how they worship.

    It’s sad that some want to give up and just have the end note for their civic involvement in America be one of angry bitterness and grievance.

  63. CG says:

    Just calling it as I see it Phil. I tried to give you several ways to explain your views on this.

    You have made it very clear that you do not believe non-white, non-Christian people will ever vote as you do. You composed your theory on Author, even though you both supposedly supported the same candidate, just because of what his last name was.

    I don’t think you are in the Klan or a violent person, but you are pretty transparent.

  64. CG says:

    Convince me otherwise. I wish I could be convinced. I don’t want to think the worst about people.

    How is there a “demographics is destiny” mindset that is not race-based?

  65. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:27 pm
    No, peak trolldom would be accusing people with whom you disagree of being racist.

    – Who am I accusing of being racist? Answer: no one.

    The point I’m making and which you obviously missed is Republicans can no loner ignore demographic groups like Hispanics as they were able to do for so long. Up through 1992, the national vote was 90% white. Republicans didn’t have to worry about Hispanics and that lack of interest in persuading them has caught up to the party in a big way.

    Only attempting to goose the margins among white voters because of a belief Hispanics will not vote for Republicans is an awful strategy. Republicans, if we want to win nationally, can no longer ignore Hispanics. We have to make the effort to persuade them. If we don’t and just throw our hands up in the air and say “demographics is destiny”, then we’ll never win another national election.

    But by all means, just yell racist if that makes you feel better.

  66. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:29 pm
    “Emphasis on white.”
    -And he accuses others of being “internet tough guys”.
    More and more, he sounds like a Democrat.

    – Why am I not surprised Trump’s court jester at HHR (now that Jonesy is gone) would completely miss the point?

  67. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:30 pm
    be fair …
    i now think you are an incel

    – I just think you’re an idiot who barfs up hard right conservative talking points to make yourself sound coherent.

    By the way, how’s that Trump lawsuit against the GAO you said was a slam dunk win for him in December 2017 going?

  68. CG says:

    I think they are talking about me. I will own what I said, though I wish I could be convinced otherwise. There is outright racism and there is latent racism.

    I don’t know how else to describe the idea of “someone different than me is destined to never be like me” when it comes to political behavior or anything else.

    So, I will own it, just like others here owned it when they told me I had no choice but to spend eternity in hell for not being Christian.

  69. Phil says:

    I want the border secured. The concept of one political party working to enable illegals to cross the border in order to create a one party country isn’t something anyone can possibly defend in a rational way. Simply a power grab.

    I don’t support sanctuary cities. I don’t want to abolish ICE. I want the borders sealed to all except those that legally come here. If Corey believes that makes me some kind of white nationalist than so be it. There is no arguing with the left. It’s fruitless and I’m through trying.

  70. CG says:

    We agree on the larger issues surrounding illegal immigration apparently, whether you recognize it or not.

    I also believe the legal immigrant who arrived today is every bit as much an American as you, me, or a direct descendant of the Founding Father and that the vote of any American should never be written off solely because of skin hue.

    There’s nothing remotely “left” about my viewpoint. It is completely in line with the conservatism of Ronald Reagan. I realize that many who love Trump will call Reagan a leftist as well.

  71. Robbie says:

    I’ll defend Phil on this one. I routinely and aggressively disagree with him on the importance of immigration and whether it should be the prime issue that Republicans campaign on, but I know without a doubt this isn’t about race for him.

  72. NYCmike says:

    “completely miss the point?”

    -“CG” is calling him a racist.

    What point am I missing?

    Trump is the best thing to happen to minorities in the past 10 year……the employment records show that.

  73. CG says:

    Perception is also a reality in politics.

    There should of course be a distinction in how we talk about illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, but those who are legal immigrants, or who are natural born American citizens, of all backgrounds far beyond just those from Latin America, hear the rhetoric of Trump, and others like Buchanan before him, and equate it with racism and intolerance.

    Maybe you are convinced they are wrong to believe that but they do, and they are voting accordingly and yes, with demographic changes, that’s only going to accelerate.

    So, the choice again is to wave the towel or accept reality and adjust in a way that is comparable with the long American tradition of accepting immigration and extending liberty to more and more people.

  74. Phil says:

    Then Corey, you need to lay off the “emphasis on the white” stuff because that’s the exact same kind of cheap rhetoric that’s spewed on a daily basis from the left.

    I expect more from you.

  75. CG says:

    72. I wish I could see it otherwise.

  76. CG says:

    You have to explain then how you and Author both apparently strongly supported the same Republican candidate (an Hispanic guy, so it’s not like you are a Eugenics proponent), and then when you parted ways with Author over a different matter, you said, “I always knew he was an open borders guy.”

    How did you always know that or think that if not for his name being Mendez?

    (and of course people born in Puerto Rico are natural born American citizens)

  77. Phil says:

    76

    No you don’t.

  78. CG says:

    Historically the same things were said about the Irish and the Italians and Poles and a whole bunch of other immigrant groups.

    There were claims that they would “never vote the way I do” and will never be as fully American.

    This is not a new thing in America. Thankfully, we have always overcame it.

  79. dblaikie says:

    Sometimes it is great fun on this site. I apologize to everyone for causing Worm to write his mountain of drivel about my earlier posts based on the NBC poll. I thought Worm loved NBC polls. I guess I touched a nerve.

    I hate to do this but I can’t help it. Worm in 2016 Trump’s winning percentage was 46.08 pretty close to 43. Now I bet Worm will compose at least 2000 words that add up to nothing.

    I think we should set up a go fund me page for Worm and CJ so they can attend one of Tom Stier’s ant-Trump camps.

  80. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:46 pm
    “completely miss the point?

    – Phil’s wording using Peak trolldom implied he was responding to my post. Turns out he wasn’t.

  81. dblaikie says:

    Sorry, of course I meant CG.

  82. Phil says:

    Because of his posts on the subject. Had nothing to do with his last name for God sake. You are clearly now just trolling.

  83. CG says:

    What specifically had Author ever said to lead you to believe he was in favor of “open borders?”

  84. CG says:

    He completely and totally shared the view of Rubio on the issue, as apparently you did as well (and me too basically.)

    So, why did it apply to him and not to you?

  85. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:52 pm
    Sometimes it is great fun on this site. I apologize to everyone for causing Worm to write his mountain of drivel about my earlier posts based on the NBC poll. I thought Worm loved NBC polls. I guess I touched a nerve.

    – You didn’t touch a nerve with me. I just enjoy mocking Trump’s biggest sycophant in this forum. Your predictive powers are the worst I’ve seen in this forum (and that’s saying something) and your view of Trump and redemptive acts is absolutely laughable.

  86. NYCmike says:

    “– Phil’s wording using Peak trolldom implied he was responding to my post. Turns out he wasn’t.”

    -Are you caught up now?

    Kinda like the media, you react before you fully understand what is going on……..more Democratic-like tendencies.

  87. NYCmike says:

    “What specifically had Author ever said to lead you to believe he was in favor of “open borders?””

    -I believed his whole persona about being a Republican was a sham……and I was proven to be correct.

    Maybe Phil caught on to the same vibe…..

  88. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Would anyone on this site want CG in their foxhole or follow him into combat?
    Gee, he’s really a load. He is not an anti-Trumper, but a Democrat troll; a smug, sanctimonious name-calling snob. His reply to Phil in #77 is vomit-inducing!

    Is there anyone on this site who would want to dine with this flamer?

  89. Phil says:

    What specifically had Phil ever said that indicated I made that characterization of Author based on his last name? If your going to make these kinds of inferences you might want to base them on something rather that just pull them out of your ass.

    To answer your question i believe it had to do with his support for Hillary after he created his blog and had left the site if I remember correctly.

  90. CG says:

    There may have been a lot to find “odd” about him but why was he a sham?

    He posted at first as “Libertarian Republican.” He frequently listed his positions on various issues. Why was it a “sham?”

    I have no doubt that he got interested in politics preferring Republicans over Democrats. Sometimes, people do change as they get older. There was never anything specific on immigration to suggest he parted with mainstream Republican orthodoxy.

  91. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    January 29, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    “What specifically had Author ever said to lead you to believe he was in favor of “open borders?””
    -I believed his whole persona about being a Republican was a sham……and I was proven to be correct.
    Maybe Phil caught on to the same vibe…..

    – LOL. That’s what I love about the immigration restrictionists. If you’re not in favor of a dumb wall you’re for open borders. What garbage.

    The only sham here is that you have any interest in seeing Republicans win elections. If you did, you’d have never supported so many idiot Senate candidates in the primary like your boy Dick Mourdock.

  92. CG says:

    He posts frequently on Twitter, including after he left this site. He eventually voted for Hillary but never claimed to agree with her on immigration or any other major policy issue.

    He just really disliked what Trump stood for.

  93. Phil says:

    All that said I don’t really need to explain anything else to that smug, condescending troll.

    Done and done.

  94. Robbie says:

    NYCmike’s belief that Author’s persona as a Republican was a sham is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the current Republican Party. NYCmike and his compadres want lock step uniformity or expulsion. Well, that’s precisely why the party no longer exists in the Northeast, the west coast, or in the urban areas.

  95. CG says:

    I’ll own smug and condescending (on occasion), but I don’t know what defines a “troll.”

  96. Phil says:

    Ok, we will just leave it at smug and condescending if you like.

    There. We agree on something.

  97. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    January 29, 2019 at 4:07 pm
    what defines a “troll.”

    – Not agreeing with someone on an issue.

  98. CG says:

    NYCMike shrugs his shoulders when reminded that Rudy Giuliani supported Cuomo over Pataki in ’94 (as an elected GOP official at the time) and Clinton over Dole in ’96, but also insists he can determine who is or is not a “sham” as a Republican.

    I disagreed with Author’s choice to vote for Hillary. His decision to do so was definitely not because he wanted “open borders.” I am totally open to an alternate theory as to why that label was assigned to him.

  99. CG says:

    97. Fair enough

  100. CG says:

    I remain curious though as to what explains the variations from the “demographics is political destiny” theory.

    Why is Tim Scott a Republican? What happened?

  101. Phil says:

    Because he is a soulless Oreo. I heard it on MSNBC.

  102. CG says:

    There are of course also voices on the left who will insist that a Mexican-American or an African-American or a Jew or Muslim should never be and can never be anything other than a Democrat. That their demographic is destiny and that their identity must trump all in politics.

    That’s just as wrong obviously.

    Why shouldn’t Republicans hope to one day win the Hispanic vote? To win the African-American vote? To win the entire country overwhelmingly? Why is this theoretically impossible?

  103. CG says:

    Someone (I forget who) once claimed that it was impossible I could be a Pro-Life social conservative and be Jewish.

    I have heard that in the past from people on the left, but definitely heard it here from someone on the right.

    I don’t get the theory.

  104. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Phil
    If you recall there was a poster on this site who posted for a few years up through the 2016 general election.I have not seen a post by him for sometime now. I cannot remember his handle. Like myself, he was a Jewish guy.

    Anyway, one day, he excoriated CG on his calling Trump a Nazi and most of his followers as such. This guy said, and I agreed then and now, that calling people anti-Semitic or worse without proof in order to score a political point was only a notch or two below that of a person who is an actual anti-Semite.

    Do you remember CG’s reaction? He threw a hissy fit to the point where he squeled like a pig and demanded that Mr. Wissing permanently ban him from HHR.

    CG’s personality is so much like the President’s that any bruising of his psyche is met with a harsh counter attack.
    CG hates Trump because he sees himself in the mirror!

  105. CG says:

    I never called Trump a Nazi. Others here might have. A regular poster (whom we all disagreed with) was routinely called a Nazi and I expressed my disagreement with that.

    Someone here (whom perhaps now has a different handle) once suggested I said that and I offered them money to produce such a post and that was of course never done.

    I’ve never asked Mr. Wissing to ban anyone. Clearly a case of mistaken identity.

  106. CG says:

    I do enjoy “counter-punching” on here, but never take it to Trump’s level. I am also not trying to be President or run for any office.

    But yes, as Melania says, all of us should strive to be #bebest.

  107. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    If you are the Corey from 2016, you most certainly did all that I posted in 2016.

  108. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    s/b #105, not 2016

  109. CG says:

    Whatever that person’s name has the exact same style as you, so now you are pretending to be someone else referencing it. Whatever. Author did the same thing once and created a character to praise himself.

    I will say what I said in 2016. Trump is a bigot in general. I have never said he is an anti-Semite in specific, but any type of bigotry is bad. Trump though I am sure views Jews in higher regard than he does Hispanics and blacks.

    It is also true that Trump has many white nationalist fans who are openly anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi sympathizers. Obviously, most Trump fans are not that, but they are a part of the coalition and Trump should be more leery of re-Tweeting those people for example.

    Whatever your former name was, I offered a lot of money for charity if a post could ever be found in which I called Trump an anti-Semite (let alone Nazi) and that was never done. The offer still stands.

  110. Phil says:

    Actually, Sheeple, there’s no point in my engaging with someone who is basically calling me a raciist. When someone starts playing that card it’s pointless. It’s the kind of baiting nonsense you’d get from a poster on Daily Kos. It’s an hour and a half of my life I’ll never get back and it was my fault for taking the bait.

    Moving on to other things.

  111. NYCmike says:

    “NYCmike’s belief that Author’s persona as a Republican was a sham is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the current Republican Party. NYCmike and his compadres want lock step uniformity or expulsion.”

    -He left the party, not I.

    He is the one who voted for the Democratic candidate, not I.

    He is the one who, by his vote, or as in your case, non-vote, showed he preferred Hillary over Trump. That would include Trump’s Supreme Court picks and lower court judges, Trump’s policies which have helped a record number of minorities get jobs, Trump’s policies which have seen students in college finally start to get the idea of due process back in any “court” hearings run by each college, etc, etc, etc.

    I have not asked for lock-step conformity at all.

    I have asked that Trump, and his actions, be taken in the context of our present situation.

    I have also asked that Trump, and his actions, be taken in comparison to former Republican Presidents whom most #NeverTrumpers have voted for in the past.

    In both cases, besides a personal animus towards the guy, as well as the fact that he made JEB!2016 look like a fool, Trump and his policies come out looking pretty good.

  112. CG says:

    Why can’t you just accept that Author is a former Republican who left? Call him a turncoat if you must but the idea that what he posted about for years was a “sham” is a bit too conspiratorial.

    The rest of the post is ridiculous, but it’s your views I suppose.

    Can you at least concede though that perhaps a different Republican might do better?

  113. CG says:

    “I have also asked that Trump, and his actions, be taken in comparison to former Republican Presidents whom most #NeverTrumpers have voted for in the past.”

    I don’t know how far back you want to go but the only former Republican President I was old enough to vote for got reelected. Is that likely to happen with this guy?

    To me, he looks like a complete failure compared to every former Republican President from Lincoln on.

    Beyond the judges, which he really didn’t exactly have to do any heavy lifting on, it’s hard to see what is not a failure at the midway point in regards to his agenda.

  114. CG says:

    Made Jeb look like a fool..

    This gets brought up a lot and is both irrelevant and inaccurate.

    Now, he certainly defeated Jeb Bush for the Republican nomination just as he did the others. NYC’s preferred first choice Chris Christie did even worse, and he is the one that started the cycle atop the polls, not Jeb. You cannot argue that Trump did not beat Bush in the nomination contest. That happened.

    But did he make him look bad? Not at all. In the early debates, Jeb was the first and only one to take the fight directly to Trump. Trump made faces and had no retort. He had nothing to say. You can check it out. Granted, Jeb did not punch Trump in the face, as some Trump supporters claimed they would have respected him for doing, but he was trying to play by the rules.

    I think Jeb Bush is firmly secure in his convictions and life even with the knowledge he won’t be President. The same cannot be said about DJT, and his life is probably only going to get a good deal worse in the near future.

  115. NYCmike says:

    “CG”: “The rest of the post is ridiculous, but it’s your views I suppose.”

    -Robbie comment:

    “NYCmike’s belief that Author’s persona as a Republican was a sham is a perfect example of what’s wrong with the current Republican Party. NYCmike and his compadres want lock step uniformity or expulsion.”

    Now, who is it that wants lock-step uniformity?

    I voted for the Republican candidate, who has governed very differently from the previous Democrat. Has he had policies similar to Bush, Bush, and Reagan before him? On most issues YES, on some NO.

    Who is it that wants lock-step uniformity?

  116. CG says:

    And he has policies and tactics similar to Obama. Sort of like Obama on steroids when it comes to Executive Orders.

    I don’t see what that has to do with the Author discussion at all though.

    I did not expect conformity with you or to agree with you. It’s fair to point out disagreements.

    My point is that Author did not post here from 2011 to 2016, endlessly repeating his views on just about every issue under the sun, just to lie about those things. He almost certainly meant what he said at the time.

  117. NYCmike says:

    “NYC’s preferred first choice Chris Christie did even worse, and he is the one that started the cycle atop the polls, not Jeb.”

    -Christie, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich…..then Trump.

    One of them defeated Hillary.

    One of them has governed, for the most part, as a Republican, especially when compared to how Hillary would have governed.

    One of them will continue to govern in a way that is much better for our country than if he is defeated by the Democratic candidate in 2020.

  118. NYCmike says:

    “He almost certainly meant what he said at the time.”

    -And the simple act of Trump defeating the other candidates made him vote, and act, in a way that is totally against what he said he stood for?

  119. CG says:

    I don’t think Trump has governed like a successful kind of Republican and with him being so weakened, it makes sense to find someone else at this point if you want to win. If you still want to thank him for the judges, I get it.

    I have no doubt you concede that Jeb Bush theoretically would have governed far more to your liking than Hillary and you would have voted for him and supported his efforts in office. Right?

  120. CG says:

    “And the simple act of Trump defeating the other candidates made him vote, and act, in a way that is totally against what he said he stood for?”

    I think voting for Hillary was taking it too far, but I understood why he felt he had to. He thought it was possible Florida could come down to just his vote. I would have risked it and still written someone in.

    I think opposing Trump is completely consistent with what he and many other Republicans have stood for.

    He also like you guys and like MD now as well really buys into the binary choice and “there are only good guys vs. only bad guys” argument which is why he is probably going to be voting for Democrats for the foreseeable future.

  121. Cash Cow TM says:

    While Walt was off playing bridge today (coming in 3rd, just out of the money)…I was reading the posts here today.

    1. I learned that PHIL was a TEACHER–just like WALT! God Bless you, Phil!

    2. someone mentioned Carl Albert and people not knowing who he wa. I think he was the guy on the TV show Green Acres.

    3. I think the Starbucks guy who is gonna run for POTUS as an independent has a campaign slogan of
    “Coffee in Every Pot!”

    4. the barnyard talk is that Trump is going to convince the Dems to fork over the money to build a wall on the U.S./Canadian border to stop the cold arctic air from coming into the U.S.–and then use the money to build a wall on the U.S./Mexico border.

    The pigs, sheep and geese think it is a swell idea.

  122. CG says:

    “Make America Grande Again”

  123. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump is no Republican.

    I agree with Bitter’s comment early in the thread.

  124. Messy says:

    99. I remember the time Rudy was sane, too. Ah, to be young again.

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    Blaming “demographics” is ideological laziness. There is no “liberal gene.” Phil can deny it all he ants but groups can change. I have no interest in color or ethnicity. I don’t care if the country is less white. To be honest, the White people who were here when my white Irish Catholic ancestors arrived treated them like dirt. Worse than dirt to be honest. Burning Catholic Churches in the 19th century really happened. I have no nostalgia for the old days beyond respecting the values of hard work and self-reliance.

    I have said it before, I would gladly have a process where we could make one hard working illegal a citizen by kicking out one flaming liberal. Martinez for Pelosi or Ruiz for Schumer would be great.

  126. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “I was reading the posts here today.”

    By my count, 50 of the 125 post on this thread are by one poster. Talk about a filibuster.

  127. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Author’s soldier sister committed any crimes. He was worried Trump would order her to do it.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    War crimes.

  129. Tina says:

    I am so happy Stacey Abrams is giving the rebuttal to the SOTU.

    Jebot

  130. Phil says:

    It’s not about this group or that group having a party gene. As I’ve stated multiple time before it’s about economics. Bring in an economic underclass (in this case it just happens to be illegals from south of the border who are without a pot to pee in and happen to be Hispanic) and they are going to go with the party that promises the most freebies. Democrats want voters that are dependent on government. Not a mystery which party this is. The Democratic Party has always been the party with this group as a major portion of their coalition. If they have to import those voters they’ll do it.

    It’s really that simple. There’s a pretty obvious reason Democrats balk at border security, promote sanctuary cities and other policies as magnets for poverty stricken migrants to stream into the country. If white Canadians happened to be destitute and largely dependent on government assistance the Democrats would be just as soft on border security at the northern border as they are in the south – and I’d be just as prone to be a northern border hawk. Ethnicity and race don’t have a damned thing to do with it. It’s about economics – ne party bringing in an economic underclass to win elections or at least making sure they get into the country.

  131. Phil says:

    I’ll tell you what’s lazy. Lazy is accusing those who actually want a secure border of being either racists or xenophobic or otherwise bigoted – something we got a huge dose of on this board this afternoon.

  132. Bitterlaw says:

    5 white liberals on SCOTUS would be a greater danger to the US than 20 million illegals.

  133. CG says:

    –Jewish-Americans and Asian-Americans are in the upper ranges of all sorts of socioeconomic categories and also vote heavily Democrat. Higher incomes, higher education levels, lower levels of divorce, very low crime rates. At one point of course, many new Jewish and Asian citizens were quite poor. Over time, that changed. As the saying goes, “only in America.”

    Over the past few cycles, Asian-Americans are now about as Democrat as Hispanics. It used to be more competitive.

    Why is that? Doesn’t seem to jibe, if its all about economics now.

    I suggest, that whether fair or not, it’s all about fear and perception of intolerance.

    Republicans don’t have a demographic problem. Republicans have a messaging problem.

  134. Phil says:

    We’re 18 trillion in debt. A welfare state with no effective border is economic suicide. It’s nuts.

  135. CG says:

    Since there is nothing to suggest illegal immigrants are voting in elections, with specific evidence from Texas cited, the issue has nothing to do with “securing the border.”

    We should secure the border but Republicans are losing ground in Texas because Latino-Americans and African-Americans, and Asian-Americans, who are U.S. citizens, are becoming increasingly opposed to them and mobilized to oppose them.

  136. Phil says:

    It’s ALWAYS been about economics – and again, we are talking about illegal immigrants.

  137. CG says:

    Illegal immigration may be a problem (although it has been on the decline lately) but it’s not an election problem in terms or one party or another losing.

    Voters, i.e. actual American citizens, may dislike how one party or another talks about illegal immigration and then votes accordingly.

    Right now, the polls show that the public trusts the Democrats more on border security than Republicans. Obviously, that is a problem for Republicans.

    In order to blame this issue on an “economic underclass” one would have to be willing to say they want drastically curtailed legal immigration in addition to combating illegal border crossings.

    NYCMike has made it clear that he thinks there are too many legal immigrants in America. Those who are legal immigrants, or the children or grandchildren of them, tend to forcefully disagree.

  138. Phil says:

    You think the population of illegals is swelling because they’re coming across the Red River? Of course it’s about securing the border. Which party do you think wants them to be voting citizens? That’s the goal.

    I guess if I lived in Illinois I wouldn’t be as concerned about Texas tax payers picking up the tab for educating half a million illegal school age children at $9000 per student per year – and if the border isn’t secure and that population swells further I wouldn’t care. At some point don’t you have to stop the migration? Logic says yes.

  139. CG says:

    As the old saying goes, “Why do Jews, who earn like Presbyterians vote like Puerto Ricans?”

    This has been particularly curious to me as someone who has been a Jewish Republican from a very young age.

    Is it a genetic thing? Jewish-Americans aren’t exactly asking for government handouts these days.

    In fact, the Jews on the lower levels of the socioeconomic scale tend to be Orthodox or recent immigrants, and they actually are most likely to vote Republican among all Jews.

  140. CG says:

    There are plenty of illegal immigrants in Chicagoland. Many are Hispanic. Many are not Hispanic.

    Combating illegal immigration is certainly an issue we need to address as a country but nothing is going to get done if legal immigrants or the natural born Americans who support legal immigration think one party is too extreme.

    As for the children? They have to be educated. The other option would only cause more problems.

    We need to make it more difficult to come here illegally and easier to come here legally. That would improve all sorts of circumstances and not have such domination among just one political party among non-whites or non-native borns in general.

  141. Phil says:

    Illegal immigration MAY be a problem?

    Given that statement it’s clear I’m wasting my time here.

  142. Phil says:

    You’re right. We have to educate them. Do you perhaps at some point want to educate a million? Five million a year? When does it have limits? If you don’t secure the border there is no end. You can secure the border or you can tax the citizenry more and more. I prefer to secure the border. Tax payer funds aren’t limitless.

  143. CG says:

    I’ve clearly said it is a problem several times.

    It may not be as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Illegal immigration has been decreasing. Most illegal immigrants are not sneaking across the southern border but coming on airplanes, overstaying VISAs, etc.

    In any event, it is totally irrelevant to how California or Texas or any other state is voting. The number of illegal immigrants who are attempting to vote, despite the urban legends, is quite negligible. Any who do should be prosecuted of course.

    I don’t dispute that many Democrats would love to suddenly legalize a lot of new voters but that has not happened to this point (the biggest risk of it ever happening is is Trump does something drastic via Executive Order citing “national emergency.” The next Democrat President may be emboldened to do whatever.)

    The increasing demographic problem for Republicans in terms of voters relates to American citizens, most of whom were born in the U.S. The non-white ones are every bit as American as anyone else. How do Republicans find a way to do better at the ballot box with them?

    I disagree that anyone or any group of people is a lost cause. Comprehensive immigration reform (especially if it were to be done under Trump for that matter), would go a long way towards putting the divisiveness of the immigration issue aside and for the finger-pointing to stop and for both parties to have to appeal to people based on merit.

  144. Tina says:

    I want more illegals, not less.

    Jebot

  145. Tina says:

    It’s a problem

    We are spending too much $$$ on illegals.

    They are taking jobs.

    They are cutting in front of legals and both the GOPe and the drats are in collusion with them.

    There is voter fraud.

    There is welfare fraud.

  146. dblaikie says:

    Wormtongue I am happy and relieved that I don’t touch your nerves. However, I do need put one thing right from your inane comments. Yes, Worm, I was wrong. I missed it, concerning the House in the midterms. But just to remind you, that unlike you, I was right on with the 2016 election. In fact I think I was one of the first people who wasn’t a Trump supporter in the primaries to say that he was going to win. I took a lot of heat from that.

    Now Worm since I don’t touch your nerves let me say that I pray for your redemption from your deranged hatred of the President. Worm, know that there is help for you!!!

  147. NYCmike says:

    “NYCMike has made it clear that he thinks there are too many legal immigrants in America. Those who are legal immigrants, or the children or grandchildren of them, tend to forcefully disagree.”

    -You are beyond a parody.

    I have NEVER said this! You really are a piece of work!

    Also, what has never been said, by you – how many LEGAL immigrants is the max that can be handled by our country in any given year, and should that number be re-examined periodically.

  148. NYCmike says:

    I do NOT think there are too many legal immigrants.

    I have no issue with legal immigration as long as the country as a whole is prepared to do the work involved with assimilating them.

    When you have a system that is clearly overwhelmed as ours is, citizens should be able to, and also WANT TO, have its government take a breath and re-evaluate the needs and the ability to take in new people.

    That does NOT mean I think there are too many legal immigrants.

    It does mean that I think the government needs extra time to keep admitting more immigrants year over year over year.

  149. NYCmike says:

    On top of that, if ALL methods to prevent illegal immigration were in full force, INCLUDING a wall similar to what Israel has built to protect its citizens and to control its borders, I could see a day where LEGAL IMMIGRATION is increased.

    ESPECIALLY if those coming in were required to have sponsors who could support them, house them, feed them, etc.

  150. CG says:

    Why do you support that specific bill so much then if you do not think there are too many legal immigrants in the U.S.? That is clearly the reason for the bill.

    So you think that right now, we are just fine with the number of legal immigrants but one day there will be too many?

    When do you want the pause to start? Legal immigrants arrive on the daily.

  151. CG says:

    Not even Trump is saying he wants an “Israeli wall”, but apparently that is what you insist on before thinking we can increase legal immigration.

    That wall in Israel is meant to stop rockets and homicide bombers. It’s a bit different situation.

    Today, Kevin McCarthy said the term “wall” is now irrelevant to what they are trying to agree on.

  152. Tina says:

    I think I like Worm better than wormtongue.

  153. Tina says:

    Comorehensive border reform = amnesty and open borders and smoke and mirrors.

    GOPe

    Drats

    Cocaine bros.

  154. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    We clearly do not have an efficient process right now, especially since we have not been able to control illegal immigration.

    When we have secured our borders from illegal immigration, then we would look to maintain the present number being admitted, as long as that process has also been improved, and benefit packages have been curtailed.

    NOW, how many, in your view, should be admitted every year? Is there any number that is too many for you?

  155. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When seeing CGs has made almost 60 posts on this thread, am reminded of the quote: “If no one answers the phone, dial louder.”

  156. Tina says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/29/watch-defense-official-nothing-stopping-trump-from-authorizing-military-to-build-border-wall/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Trump can have military construct barriers.

    USC is cited in the article

    This does not require a national emergency,

    Rhinos in Congress or circus court cannot stop it either.

  157. Tina says:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/284

    Statutory language: 10 U.S. Code § 284 – Support for counterdrug activities and activities to counter transnational organized crime

  158. Tina says:

    I would beg for a Jebot to argue that trafficking humans and moving drugs across the borders are “Acts of Love.”

  159. lisab says:

    When seeing CGs has made almost 60 posts on this thread
    —————-

    and 23 by robbie

  160. Tina says:

    Number of armed agents Director Wray sent to Roger Stone’s to protect The Narrative: 29.

    Number of armed agents Director Wray sent to Stoneman-Douglas to protect the children: 0.

    Priorities of another incompetent fib director,

  161. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    161. “When seeing CGs has made almost 60 posts on this thread —————- and 23 by robbie”

    Its as if they did not really believe what they say, so have to continually reinforce it.

  162. lisab says:

    Its as if they did not really believe what they say, so have to continually reinforce it.

    —————-

    when you consider the number of posts that were specifically made to rebut the trolls, it is basically the whole thread

  163. lisab says:

    meanwhile …

    harris just promised to do away with insurance companies and giver everyone “free” healthcare

    and schulz is being insulted by the left, so he may actually run

    bloomberg and schulz are attacking harris

    and

    warren and aoc are attacking billionaires …

    between insurance companies, their investors, and the 680 billionaires in the usa

    trump, bloomberg and schulz will have no end of money for their campaigns

  164. Tina says:

    Willies Mistress reversed course on doing away with insurance companies.

  165. lisab says:

    Willies Mistress reversed course on doing away with insurance companies.

    —————————

    well the amount of money and powerful investors that must have come down on the dems, i am not surprised

    but the rich and powerful do not forget

    i think harris is probably out

  166. lisab says:

    Willies Mistress reversed course on doing away with insurance companies.

    —————————

    just think of it this way … how is it that the story that she was his mistress become a story widely known in the last few days?

    normally that would have been buried

  167. Cash Cow TM says:

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  168. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    165. meanwhile …

    harris just promised to do away with insurance companies and giver everyone “free” healthcare

    and schulz is being insulted by the left, so he may actually run

    bloomberg and schulz are attacking harris,”

    I said it before, and will say it again. Anyone who thinks they can prediction the election outcome in 2020 is a fool!

    and

    warren and aoc are attacking billionaires …

    between insurance companies, their investors, and the 680 billionaires in the usa

    trump, bloomberg and schulz will have no end of money for their campaigns

  169. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    170. I said it before, and will say it again. Anyone who thinks they can prediction the election outcome in 2020 is a fool!

  170. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This thread was a case in point to lisab’s prediction:

    lisab says:
    November 9, 2016 at 8:22 am
    the worst part about this is … apart from trump winning … is that now corey and cory will spend the next four years whining
    radio: “president trump announced today he was going to wear a red tie to the state of the union address”
    corey: what a racist! wearing red to offend the first peoples … jeb would have chosen a blue tie! anyone who supports wearing a red tie over a blue tie is racist

  171. lisab says:

    lol … but i was wrong about cory

    i guess he is in a pot induced coma

  172. lisab says:

    if you and all your friends are billionaires or multi-millionaires

    why would you support aoc?

  173. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    174. Agree, and tech and other mega donors for the Democrats will not support Sanders, AOC or other far leftists. Schultz would be an option for them. Starbucks are packed with millennials, and the business oozes political correctness. If Trumps numbers are low in 2020, Schultz might have a chance.

  174. lisab says:

    schulz will pull from the dems

  175. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    He will primarily pull from Democrats. But Republicans who dislike Trump might vote for him too.

  176. Bitterlaw says:

    Dems are not stupid. Very few are going to vote for Schultz. Beating Trump is their mission.

  177. jason says:

    Right. Corey and Amoral Scumbag will vote for the real Dem.

  178. jason says:

    “Even if people thought he was doing some good things, that’s over now after the complete and utter Cave to Pelosi.”

    LOL

    So let’s see, 2 SCOTUS judges, hundreds of other judicial appointments, deregulation, tax cuts, energy policy, rebuilding the military, sane climate change policy, North Korea initiative….just to name a few things Trump has done well, are now “over” because he re-opened the government for 3 weeks.

    Corey really is a clown.

  179. jason says:

    Thread Rule-

    Contemplate just how much Donald J. Trump sucks as a President, a Republican candidate, and as a person.”

    Huh, ok.

    Very decent job as President, much better than Hillary would have been, has delivered in a big way to conservatives and Republicans. I still wake up every morning and thank my lucky stars Hillary is not President.

    Republican? I never considered him a Republican but at this point I am not one either, so I prefer to judge him on what he delivers. I will support the Republican party where I think its in the interest of the country, same as Trump.

    Person? I will put his morals and integrity up against Amoral Scumbag’s any day, but I understand that is a very low bar.

  180. jason says:

    Illegal immigration may be a problem”

    Translation: Corey doesn’t think it’s a problem.

  181. Wes says:

    So basically House Democrats are taking a page out of the Tea Party’s playbook and going the Mussolini route of disenfranchising voters for political gain:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/us/politics/house-democrats-election-ethics-bill.html

  182. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Corey the Condescending Clown and Half Truth Robbie will be upset with this new ADP jobs’ report:

    “ADP says 213,000 private-sector U.S. jobs created in January, above estimates”

    Wes, the NYT’s article in #183 is behind a paywall. Can you summarize? Thanks.

  183. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, dems are not stupid but Republican’s are and that is fine. In your own area think of all those Buck’s County women, who hate Trump but are not as Liberal as the dem loon who will be nominated. They will vote for starbucks in a heart beat. John Kasich would accomplish the same result.

  184. dblaikie says:

    Boy when Corey and Worm get going they sure can fill up a thread! If I may paraphrase Winston Churchill, never in the history of man has so many words meant so little. Good morning everyone.

  185. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – I respectfully disagree. The women who either did not vote for President in 2016 or voted for Hillary because Trump is so repulsive are not going to help re-elect Trump by voting for Schultz.

    Here is a hidden secret of suburban life. Nobody wants to pay more taxes BUT most people can afford to pay more taxes. Stopping Trump but paying more in taxes is a fair trade off to some.

  186. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    187. Really, Bitter, suburban voters hate Trump so much that they will vote for someone who will massively increase their taxes as the price to get rid of Trump?

    Suburban voters ares also supposedly very concerned on climate change, so assume they are willing to pay a lot to save the planet. Turns out that is not true — they will not even pay $10 dollars.

    “But the AP survey also showed that Americans don’t want to pay very much to fight climate change. A $1 per month fee was favored by 57 percent of those surveyed. However, if the monthly charge increased to $10 a month, just 28 percent would be supportive, while 68 percent would be opposed.”

  187. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Yes. I know people who hate Trump that much. Republicans who spend $30,000 a year per child on elementary school at elite private schools.

  188. Phil says:

    I have no doubt Philly suburban voters hate Trump with a passion. Suburban voters in Texas are not the same. In other words, you have to be careful about lumping suburban voters all in the same category.

  189. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    189. Noticed when Trump ended the federal tax credit for state income taxes, liberals in states like New York and California went bonkers. Believe suburbanite liberals are a lot more tax adverse than you think. In many urban areas parents have no real choice but to send their children to private schools to obtain a good education; cannot see this as motivation for also accepting higher taxes.

  190. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/tom-brokaw-defends-assimilation-immigration-debate/

    -Lowry hits on what is different between immigration NOW and in the PAST (Bitterlaw, take note).

    “In 1920, when we were absorbing another historic wave of immigrants, the newcomers were evenly distributed across nationalities. No single group predominated. In contrast, the wave of the past few decades has been heavily tilted toward Mexico in particular and Latin American countries in general.

    In the early 20th century, we also reduced numbers of immigrants after 1924, facilitating the breakup of ethnic communities and a de-emphasis on ethnic identity.

    We have never tapped the brakes on the current wave. A National Academy of Sciences study noted that Spanish-speaking immigrants are acquiring English more slowly than other immigrant groups: “A major reason is the larger size and frequent replenishment of the Spanish-speaking population in the United States.”

    Reducing levels of immigration would aid in assimilation, if that is still considered a universally desirable goal.”

  191. jason says:

    You are right Phil.

    I have yet to see any of the Amish women around here say they hate Trumfph.

  192. NYCmike says:

    “Reducing levels of immigration would aid in assimilation, if that is still considered a universally desirable goal.”

    -As I said last night, I do not think there are too many immigrants.

    I do believe we are doing a bad job assimilating new people into our country.

    Maybe, before we keep admitting more legal immigrants from countries around the world, it would be wise to consider a slow-down so that we can all work towards the old idea of America as a melting pot.

    “CG”, do you consider assimilation “a universally desirable goal”?

  193. Diamond Jim says:

    do you consider assimilation “a universally desirable goal”?

    Only if it doesn’t involve the Borg

  194. NYCmike says:

    Also from the Lowry piece – I would agree wholeheartedly with this statement:

    “As Michael Lind wrote in his brilliant 1995 book, The Next American Nation: “The common culture of the American nation is a unique blend of elements contributed by Algonquian Indians and Midwestern Quakers and black Americans and Mexican mestizos and New England patricians. The national culture is not a white culture; black Americans have shaped it far more than the most numerous white immigrant group, German-Americans.””

  195. NYCmike says:

    “Only if it doesn’t involve the Borg”

    Bjorn Borg?

    What, are you a John McEnroe fan?

  196. Diamond Jim says:

    7 of 9 is the reason we ended up with Obama.

  197. Diamond Jim says:

    CC

  198. Bitterlaw says:

    CC

    Damn

  199. Wes says:

    SDC forgets the 2018 elections—when suburban voters turned out in droves to elect Democrats who will raise taxes just to spite Trump.

    Voters don’t always act rationally—especially when angry at an incumbent.

  200. Wes says:

    Of course what do I know? We can’t predict electoral futures—that is, except when predicting Trump will win. Then the HHR rule is apparently that we can predict the future with amazing accuracy.

  201. Tina says:

    It is being reported that Ugly ohr, fusion gps, “researched” trumps kid, passing on the information to her spouse, Bruce Ohr, DOJ, who appears to have passed it on to two of F. Muleheads investigators.

    https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/01/30/nellie-ohr-ivanka-trump-fusion-gps?__twitter_impression=true

  202. lisab says:

    SDC – Yes. I know people who hate Trump that much. Republicans who spend $30,000 a year per child on elementary school at elite private schools.
    —————————————-

    yeah but besides you …

  203. lisab says:

    question ….

    why do we need “free universal healthcare”

    if obamacare was “free universal healthcare”?

    i am not sure i can afford any more “free universal healthcare”

  204. lisab says:

    you can tell that schulz is a real threat because the dems are freaking out about him

    in michigan third parties got 5%

    now imagine a third party with $100 million

  205. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/cbo-director-debt-to-soar-past-postwar-levels-at-current-trajectory/

    -Could someone explain what is meant by this paragraph? How does government spending get calculated in such a situation?

    “WASHINGTON — The 35-day government shutdown — which could happen again if an agreement on homeland security funding isn’t reached by Feb. 15 — cost about $3 billion in projected gross domestic product that is “a permanent loss,” the director of the Congressional Budget Office said today.”

  206. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    203. “We can’t predict electoral futures—that is, except when predicting Trump will win.”

    Really, Wes. Here was may quote: “If Trumps numbers are low in 2020, Schultz might have a chance.” How can you distort this to mean “predicting Trump will win.”

    Also for those who say suburbanites are strongly against Trump, a vote for Shultz is a vote against Trump, who I think could be competitive if the Democrat nominee was a far leftist.

  207. lisab says:

    How does government spending get calculated in such a situation?
    ——————–

    that is gdp not government spending …

    people not going out to eat, and not buying

  208. lisab says:

    Former Ohio gov. John Kasich stole comedian’s First Class seat on Alaska Airlines flight after refusing to be downgraded to premium economy when he was bumped to make room for a pilot

    Kasich, 66, was flying from JFK in New York to San Francisco on January 16 – two weeks after handing over the governorship and his access to state planes to Mark DeWine – when he took comedian Julie Klausner’s seat.

    According to Klausner, who shared details of their run-in on Twitter and later in a podcast, Kasich had been behaving ‘like an a**hole’ long before they even boarded the plane and was talking obnoxiously on his cell phone in the airline’s first class lounge. He got on the plane first and, according to Klausner, was told that he could not sit in his seat because it had been given to a pilot who had been scheduled to fly at the other end of the journey at the last minute.

  209. lisab says:

    Schultz, 56, down played talk Democrats will push him out.

    ‘I must be doing something right to create so much interests and backlash from the Democratic Party,’ he said Wednesday on ‘Morning Joe.’

    ‘I mean, some of it is a surprise, but I think we expected to see some of the level of vitriol, but not to the extent it’s been,’ the billionaire businessman added.

    And he told Fox News: ‘I think the Democrats need a little bit less caffeine right now.’

    “I think they’ve over-rotated completely because it’s very possible that if I run for president as a centrist independent that more lifelong Republicans will come my way than Democrats. So I think the whole thing is just an overreaction in 24 hours,” he said on Tuesday.

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    194. “I do believe we are doing a bad job assimilating new people into our country.”

    That is not my experience. In the multi-unit building I reside in San Diego there are nine couples (7 straight; 2 gay). Here is the ethnic breakdown of both partners:

    Anglo/Anglo 2 couples
    Anglo/Latin 3 couples
    Anglo/Asian 3 couples
    Anglo/Black 1 couple

    Everyone acts similar culturally, and are all good friends.

  211. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    212. “And he told Fox News: ‘I think the Democrats need a little bit less caffeine right now.’”

    There you go, losing the Starbucks vote already. Can tell he is a political novice.

  212. lisab says:

    i’d vote for him

    although i am a dunkin donuts coffee person myself

  213. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1215. “i’d vote for him.”

    I would consider it as well. He was a very successful and innovative business person.

  214. lisab says:

    if warren is the dem nominee,

    i will donate monate to schulz’s campaign

  215. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    217. It would ironic if it was the Democratic Party that splintered apart in 2020 instead of the Republicans.

  216. lisab says:

    they lost in 2000 because of nader and in 2016 because of stein — so it could happen

    i predict that if the dem nominee is biden … a sensible “moderate”, there will be no splintering

    but …

    if the aoc wing of the party is running amok, high taxes, especially taxes on wealth, and the elimination of insurance companies

    the party will be splintered.

    the rich would MUCH rather have trump than a wealth tax

  217. NYCmike says:

    Would Schultz be a good enough person for “CG” and/or Robbie to vote for?

    Will they take a chance that voting 3rd party could help Trump, instead of the Democratic candidate?

  218. Tina says:

    No, it is still Hillary, or Warner, or bust.

    -Jebots

  219. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Let’s not forget AOC believes the world will come to an end in 2012, unless her policies are adopted. She is not going to accept Biden. She already knocked off one old Anglo in a primary.

  220. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    222. Correction, AOC believes the world will end in 12 years from this year, if her policies are not adopted.

  221. CG says:

    If my only other choice besides Trump and a likely far-left Democrat is Schultz, I would enthusiastically support Schultz.

    I would prefer a “center-right” option instead, but have certainly found myself in agreement with what Schultz has been saying the past few days.

  222. NYCmike says:

    On Instapundit.com:

    “HIGHER ED’S LOBBYING ARM OPPOSES TELLING STUDENTS THEY’RE PRESUMED INNOCENT: In responding to proposed Title IX regulatory changes, the American Council on Education says that while some colleges are OK with saying students should be presumed innocent, “other colleges would be uncomfortable with including a federally mandated statement in the institution’s notice indicating a ‘presumption’ in favor of one party… We recommend that the Department remove this
    requirement.” They actually say doing so might “cause confusion.” Give me a break.”

    -Another result of a Trump Presidency…..do “Republicans” like “CG” and Robbie support this?

  223. NYCmike says:

    “I would enthusiastically support Schultz.”

    -The question is “Will they take a chance that voting 3rd party could help Trump, instead of the Democratic candidate?”

  224. NYCmike says:

    “I would prefer a “center-right” option instead, but have certainly found myself in agreement with what Schultz has been saying the past few days.”

    -A ““center-right” option” would most likely pave the way for a Democratic candidate to win……..BUT, OF COURSE, “CG” does NOT want the Democratic candidate to win.

  225. CG says:

    Trump is unacceptable. I do not necessarily believe he will be running in 2020 at the end. The Democrat nominee is almost certainly going to be unacceptable (can pretty much only see myself being open to Bloomberg or Delaney) so why wouldn’t I support Schultz if he is the only other option? This is as long as he isn’t in favor of Obama’s Iran Deal or in favor of post-birth infanticide or something comes out to show he is a professional and/ or personal cretin such as DJT.

    Never been a coffee drinker and if the Independent route is the only way to go, I would prefer Kasich or someone with a past GOP affiliation.

    It’s crazy though how those in both major parties think Schultz would only help Trump. I don’t know that for sure. What’s the conventional wisdom on Kasich then? People here have said he would only hurt Trump as an Independent candidate.

    What if they merged efforts? What if it’s a four-way race or more (a la France in 2017). For all the talk about “anybody who knows for certain how 2020 will turn out is an idiot” the same has to be said to not thinking it is impossible somebody outside the two major parties may actually win.

  226. NYCmike says:

    “It’s crazy though how those in both major parties think Schultz would only help Trump.”

    -People are speculating.

    Are you now against speculation?

    I am not that big on it myself.

  227. NYCmike says:

    “What if they merged efforts? What if it’s a four-way race or more (a la France in 2017). For all the talk about “anybody who knows for certain how 2020 will turn out is an idiot” the same has to be said to not thinking it is impossible somebody outside the two major parties may actually win.”

    -Has anyone said it would be impossible for someone outside the 2 major parties to win?

    Or are you just making st*ff up again?

  228. Tina says:

    Dow closes above 25000

    Just in case the jebots missed it,

  229. NYCmike says:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/its-too-cold-for-the-post-office.php

    -“When I was a kid, everyone knew the unofficial motto of the U.S. Postal Service, which was inscribed on the principal New York City post office: “Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.” I think it was true, once, too. But not any more: Wednesday mail delivery canceled:”

    “So I won’t get any mail tomorrow. I will, however, be in my office, like most private sector workers.”

  230. Messy says:

    The French have a two round system. A Primary and a runoff. We don’t have that system. it would be nice, but we don’t.

  231. NYCmike says:

    “Just in case the jebots missed it,”

    -Heh…….odd how that happens, isn’t it?

    Only mention the Dow on the dips…..maybe they should be called the “DowDipSh*ts”?

  232. NYCmike says:

    “We don’t have that system. it would be nice, but we don’t.”

    -I take it you don’t own a yellow vest?

  233. CG says:

    A vote in the U.S. House could constitute a “second round” if nobody gets a majority of the EC. The point still stands though. Someone can carry a state with far under 50%.

    Now, since the ladies and SDC have said I have talked too much on this thread, in order to be fair and allow others to have a chance, I will wait until the next thread to opine further…

  234. Tina says:

    Chad Pergram
    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    ·
    29m
    Graham on Stone arrest: The American public has had enough of the media circus that surrounds the Special Counsel’s investigation. Yet, the manner of this arrest appears to have only added to the spectacle. Accordingly, I write to seek justification for the tactics used

    Done while the fib director was complaining about furloughed workers. Another failed Fib director.

  235. Tina says:

    Shh, but muh Russian. Trump is Pooty poot ally.

    FDD
    @FDD
    .@BenWeinthal: In just the past 8 months, Amb. @RichardGrenell? has convinced German companies to pull out of #Iran, stopped Chancellor Merkel’s govt from sending over $400 million to #Tehran to evade US sanctions, & got the German govt to ban #MahanAir. (link: https://washex.am/2RnXTon) washex.am/2RnXTon

  236. lisab says:

    the Great Lakes are seeing higher than average ice cover when compared to the average ice concentration of the last 44 years.

    According to the NOAA’s Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory (GLERL), the total Great Lakes ice cover as of Monday is at 69 percent.

  237. lisab says:

    Tina,

    harris bactracked her bactrack against insurace companies

  238. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    236. “Now, since the ladies and SDC have said I have talked too much on this thread, in order to be fair and allow others to have a chance, I will wait until the next thread to opine further…”

    No one wants you to stop posting, but 60 in a row was a bit much. Your post are thoughtful, and it is good to get a diversity of views on the board.

  239. lisab says:

    “I haven’t had 20 dollars in cash on me in 5 years… My wife always gets mad because we go places where you’re supposed to tip and I just stiff him. I mean, that’s my way.” – today’s information for life tip from @CillizzaCNN

  240. lisab says:

    Your post are thoughtful
    ————–

    speak for yourself

    i think he is a drooling idiot in his mommies basement 🙂

  241. lisab says:

    mommy’s 🙂

  242. lisab says:

    A Belarusian model, who said she had proof that President Trump’s campaign colluded with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential election, has now backtracked and says she made up the claims.

    Anastasia Vashukevich, who spent months in a Thai jail last year for organizing sex training seminars, grabbed headlines after saying she has evidence that Russia worked with Trump’s campaign.

    She asked the U.S. government to secure her freedom from the Thai lockup and grant her political asylum in exchange for recordings in which she said Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska is heard talking about interfering in the U.S. presidential elections. She reportedly worked as an escort, with Deripaska being one of her clients.

  243. lisab says:

    In Just Two Years Trump Fixed Global Warming.

    sign in midwest

  244. lisab says:

    ‘Mary Poppins,’ and a Nanny’s Shameful Flirting With Blackface

    One of the more indelible images from the 1964 film is of Mary Poppins blacking up. When the magical nanny (played by Julie Andrews) accompanies her young charges, Michael and Jane Banks, up their chimney, her face gets covered in soot, but instead of wiping it off, she gamely powders her nose and cheeks even blacker. Then she leads the children on a dancing exploration of London rooftops with Dick Van Dyke’s sooty chimney sweep, Bert.

    ny times

  245. lisab says:

    ‘Mary Poppins,’ and a Nanny’s Shameful Flirting With Blackface

    One of the more indelible images from the 1964 film is of Mary Poppins blacking up. When the magical nanny (played by Julie Andrews) accompanies her young charges, Michael and Jane Banks, up their chimney, her face gets covered in soot, but instead of wiping it off, she gamely powders her nose and cheeks even blacker. Then she leads the children on a dancing exploration of London rooftops with Dick Van Dyke’s sooty chimney sweep, Bert.

    ny times

  246. lisab says:

    ‘Mary Poppins,’ and a Nanny’s Shameful Flirting With Blackface

    One of the more indelible images from the 1964 film is of Mary Poppins blacking up. When the magical nanny (played by Julie Andrews) accompanies her young charges, Michael and Jane Banks, up their chimney, her face gets covered in soot, but instead of wiping it off, she gamely powders her nose and cheeks even blacker. Then she leads the children on a dancing exploration of London rooftops with Dick Van Dyke’s sooty chimney sweep, Bert.

    ny times

  247. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    I just saw a story yesterday about a restaurant in Arizona that has a picture on the wall which shows coal miners, with their faces still dirty from working that day, enjoying a beer at a tavern AFTER work.

    Some customers who came in were offended by the picture, which in their eyes showed white men in blackface, and they said it was very inappropriate to have that picture up.

  248. lisab says:

    Phoenix restaurant says this is a photo of coal miners. But I see offensive blackface

    Who determines what’s offensive?
    For me, the coal miners disappeared and a film honored for its artistic merit, despite being the most racist propaganda films ever, D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation” (1915) surfaces, in which white actors appeared in blackface. The white owner saw coal miners in the photograph. Therefore, it was not offensive.

    Fact: The photograph shows coal miners’ faces covered in soot.

    The context of the photograph is not the issue.

  249. lisab says:

    nyc,

    you beat me to it

  250. Bitterlaw says:

    205. Zzzzzzzzzz. My children attended public school. My son is at a public university. My daughter will graduate from a public high school in 2 years. lisab can suck it.

  251. Proud Obamacon says:

    Schultz looking to pull “moderate” rePUKEs . We staying united, WE GOOD!

    #RESIST!

  252. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sadly, Anti-Semetism is not limited to one party. I have friends who are Israeli and who are Palestinian. I have no doubt that there are “great people on both sides.. both sides”

    Just wanted to finish up NYCmike’s thought, he forgot to mention that his President is Anti-Semetic.. Honest Mistake I’m Sure.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  253. Proud Obamacon says:

    *Semitism

  254. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON, how is your socialist hero Maduro doing in your shining example for the US, Venezuela?

  255. Proud Obamacon says:

    Like clockwork, atta boy Jason! Good dog!

    LOLLLLLLLLL

  256. Proud Obamacon says:

    Pussy Grabber trying to get Schultz to run hoping to split the Dem vote. When in fact, Schultz will split the RePUKE vote! LOL… keep it up Orange!

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  257. Bitterlaw says:

    I also find Trump unacceptable….right up to the point he is the only way to stop flaming liberals from appointing SCOTUS justices. Somehow he becomes more acceptable as a candidate. Remarkable.

    To be fair, he remains unacceptable as a person but elections don’t require having dinner with candidates.

  258. Proud Obamacon says:

    Bitter will vote for Satan himself if it meant keeping liberals off of SCOTUS. Yall would. Yup, and yall are freedom loving patriots too.. LOL yall need mental help.

    #RESIST

  259. Bitterlaw says:

    Vote for Satan? Sure. Since he allowed Hell to freeze and the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I feel like I owe him something.

  260. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yup, just what I thought .. thanks for the honesty, sport.

    #SAVE.OUR.DEMOCRACY

  261. Bitterlaw says:

    I got to go to a Super Bowl parade, Skippy. What did you get for that taste of Obama and Hillary in your mouth?

  262. Proud Obamacon says:

    You may disagree but I think the Eagles would have won the Super Bowl if Hillary was President.

    You are a complete fool!

    #RESIST

  263. Bitterlaw says:

    I never said the Eagles won because Trump was President. I said they won because He’ll froze over.

  264. Bitterlaw says:

    Hell. Autocorrect blows.

  265. Proud Obamacon says:

    Whatever you say, Bit.
    And nice drive-by by Jason, my dog. His response time was especially impressive today. Good Dog! Here’s a bone!

    #LOL

  266. dblaikie says:

    I am completely sickened by the Governor of Virginia’s interview where he basically raises infanticide as a legal option for a Mother with the Bill he supported in the Commonwealth. Here is his outrageous quote:

    “So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

    He is trying to backtrack now, but he said what he said. You wouldn’t do that to a puppy in Virginia, but I guess an infant is different. Dr. Mengele would be proud of him.

    There is no middle ground here. I am afraid that the Democratic Party is evolving into a party of death. Let me be clear, 80 percent of babies survive at 6 months. A third trimester abortion is really not abortion it is infanticide.

  267. dblaikie says:

    And please don’t spew to me about health! That is a subjective term that is so broad it could mean anything.

  268. dblaikie says:

    By the way, even though the bill failed in Virginia all the Democrats supported it! It wasn’t just their sickening Governor.

  269. dblaikie says:

    I don’t know how many people in the Country are going to vote in 2020. But after what happened in New York, and now after every dem voting for this immoral monster of a bill in Virginia, I believe that the percentage for the pro-life community in this country will be 100%. Take it to the bank! Talk about energized rage!!

  270. Tina says:

    The socialist son was forp the Va governor. He also provided financial support.

    I read here that bill Kristin is a real conservative.

  271. lisab says:

    dblaikie,

    as sdc and i have been pointing out, the crazy wing of the dem party is on the loose …

  272. Wes says:

    Damn! It’s pretty bad when Bitter outright admits Philly isn’t corrupt enough for his tastes. Apparently only New Jersey provides enough corruption to satisfy him.

  273. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    256. “..forgot to mention that his President is Anti-Semetic.. Honest Mistake I’m Sure.”

    Oh sure, Obamaclown. Trump’s daughter converted and is now Jewish, and her husband, Jared Kushner, a close adviser to the President is Jewish.

    Were you born dumb, or do you have to practice every day?

  274. Chicon says:

    jason says:
    January 28, 2019 at 5:13 pm
    “Go on record, do you approve of her staying alive, even if it means she remains on the SCOTUS past Trump?”

    Yes, I never wished her ill or said I wanted her to die. Never.

    You are real low life of a human being to imply I said that.

    What I said was I thought she had completely abandoned her role as an impartial judge and arbiter of the Constitution to become a partisan pit bull to the point of making personal attacks on the President. I find that behavior disgusting.

    I think she is too sick to be on the Court, she now has lung cancer to boot, and missed several votes.

    I think she should retire.”

    I agree. I said the same thing about McCain when it was clear he couldn’t do the job anymore. And I was attacked by….Jason…..

  275. Bitterlaw says:

    Philadelphia is too corrupt. However, in this case, the corruption is disappointing in comparison to the usual level.

    By the way, I wonder how the woman who was beaten by her boyfriend (while pregnant) because of Wes is doing these days is doing.

  276. jason says:

    I agree. I said the same thing about McCain when it was clear he couldn’t do the job anymore. And I was attacked by….Jason…..”

    Zzzzzz…..

    The only reason you wanted McCain to resign was because you didn’t agree with him politically, please spare me the BS.

    However, if the McCain haters were right about him staying on just to thwart Trump, I might have agreed at the time. But the fact is he voted “with Trump” 85% of the time, including important votes like the tax bill.

  277. Chicon says:

    “I think she is too sick to be on the Court, she now has lung cancer to boot, and missed several votes.

    I think she should retire”

    I’m not the one changing positions depending on the situation, chief. That’d be you.

  278. Chicon says:

    What do the alleged motivations behind my position on McCain retiring have to do with the issue of whether Jason has been exposed to be a hypocrite on the issue.

    McCain had a glioblastoma that was terminal (his words) and was never coming back to Washington after December. Jason said McCain earned the right to retire when he wants, or not at all.

    Ginsburg had surgery for lung cancer, and it is unknown if she’ll be able to return, although the doctors have said she will. Jason said she should retire because she missed several days of argument.

  279. Chicon says:

    Jason could be in a food coma after devouring three pigs and a cow for breakfast.

  280. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon- Alshon had the worst non-catch of his career against the Saints. It lead to the game ending interception. I still don’t know how he did not catch it. He helped them win a Super Bowl but cost them another chance this year. Damn.

  281. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw: I can’t forgive any Southern state for having slavery before the 13th Amendment was ratified.

    Bitterlaw: I want to own property in a state that not only once had slavery but also just three months ago knowingly re-elected a Senator who molested underage girls forced into sexual slavery.

    There’s a term for this in the English language: hypocrisy.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Bitterlaw- I want to own a beach house in a state where I have not voted since 1994.

    Wes – I need to feel better about myself by attacking Bitter. A pregnant woman was beaten because of me. I prey upon emotionally damaged women.

    There is a word for this in the English language – Wes.

  283. Cash Cow TM says:

    WEnt with Walt this morning to ge4 an egg McMuffin and some donuts.

    His radio only gets audio on Sirus radio–but not on Am or FM channels…

    DOES COLD WEATHER KNOCK OUT A CAR RADIO!
    (damn global warming…)

  284. Wes says:

    As a pro-choice American, I have to say the bill the Dems tried to pass in VA is absolutely ghoulish.

    They will pass it early next year.

  285. Wes says:

    I’m sorry the American South doesn’t meet the high level of corruption you demand of your politicians, Bitter. Maybe we’ll try to accommodate you more fully in the future.

  286. dblaikie says:

    Wes, I greatly respect your stand in post 289. I am very pro-life but accept the legality of Abortion during the first trimester during pregnancy.

    As a lover of history, I can’t help but reflect in our history, Abraham Lincoln raised the stakes for our nation with the Emancipation Proclamation. It gave our Country a stark, clear choice of what our Nation wanted to be — in a positive way. Now in a very negative way the dems have raised the stakes for our country now and who we want to be. Our response to this madness will define our Nation no matter if you are pro choice or pro life.

    Several months ago the loons and talking heads were equating what was going on at the border with the Nazi death camps and Kristallnacht. All I can say that the quote of the Governor of Virginia would make Joseph Mengele burst with pride.

  287. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t put your beloved blood soaked South down, Wes. ?. You have corruption there, too.

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. The smiley emoji was replaced by .?.

  289. CG says:

    It’s so cold in Chicago, the Aldermen have their hands in their own pockets!

    And they are hugging each other for warmth, not just to feel for listening devices.

  290. Wes says:

    We have one or two scandals a decade, Bitter.

    In your beloved glorified banana republics of Philadelphia and New Jersey, asking if a politician is corrupt is the functional equivalent of asking if a day ends in y.

    The newspapers up there need to add whole sections devoted to political scandals.

  291. CG says:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/danny-solis-fbi-investigation-alderman-city-council-wiretap/

    “Retiring Ald. Danny Solis (25th) received sex acts, Viagr.a, free weekend use of an Indiana farm once owned by Oprah Winfrey…”

    The farm animals are lawyering up.

  292. Tina says:

    Yes, more from the commies. First 70 tax rate and now higher rates for estate taxes. More sheot shows please.

    NEW: Sanders’s bill would lower the exemption amount for the estate tax and also create a progressive rate structure starting at 45% for the value of an estate between $3.5M-$10M, and up to 77% on the value of an estate that exceeds $1 billion (link: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/427834-sanders-offers-bill-to-expand-the-estate-tax) thehill.com/policy/finance… via
    @njagoda

  293. NYCmike says:

    “I agree. I said the same thing about McCain when it was clear he couldn’t do the job anymore. And I was attacked by….Jason…..”

    -Chicon, that was a work of art right there!

    Well done!

    jason, WOW! “CG” was incorrect in his “interpretation” of what you said, but Chicon showed you to be a total hypocrite on this.

  294. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Are you riding those trains that have the fires near the rails??

  295. CG says:

    Chicon absolutely showed him to be the fraudulent hypocrite that he is.

    But I was correct in how I interpreted the first post he made.

    Bitterlaw said, “I want Ginsburg to retire but admire her will to live until Trump is out of office.”

    He DID not say, “I want Ginsburg to retire but admire her decision to not retire until after Trump is out of office.”

    Those are two very different statements, and despite jason initially lying about it, only the first was said.

    He asked why and said it was “disgusting”

    That would have been a non-issue if it was said in response to the second statement (which was not made) but there is no other way to interpret it in regards to the first (which was actually said)

    The “will to live” was specifically targeted and he never bothered to try to clarify it.

    Shame.

  296. Bitterlaw says:

    The filter ate my post. I linked to more than 1 or 2 a decade NC corruption stories. My favorite was the one about an entire NC police department that had to resign.

  297. NYCmike says:

    “But I was correct in how I interpreted the first post he made.”

    -You are some digger!

  298. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    PLEASE do not engage him, otherwise it will be another day of him just making sh*t up.

    He CLEARLY has some issues with wanting/needing to be right about everything…….despite the evidence against his position.

  299. Bitterlaw says:

    To be clear, I admire Ginsburg’s pure vindictiveness and bitterness that makes her hold on. There must be an Irish ancestor somewhere in her past.

  300. CG says:

    Some people wish to live for reasons other to spite their enemies, but there is no other way to interpret how he responded to the first post.

    If he didn’t mean it how it came out, he should have just said so. We’ve all been in that situation.

  301. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt said if you re going to get into a peeing contest over corruption in state and city government between NJ and NC…he wants in to nominate WV.

  302. CG says:

    And does anybody seriously believe that if Scalia had survived his heart attack which occurred when Obama was President and said something like, “yeah, that was a bad one and I need to take a few weeks to recuperate away from the Court, but I’ll be back!” that jason would have been disgusted and called on Scalia to resign?

    Not a chance in hell.

    Scalia could have been on life support, Ariel Sharon-style, for all four years of an Obama Presidency, and none of us would have wanted him to die or to have to resign his position.

  303. NYCmike says:

    “If he didn’t mean it how it came out, he should have just said so. We’ve all been in that situation.”

    -Heh! I love this!

    What a piece of work.

  304. CG says:

    Remember this NYC the next time he lies about you or invents something about you.

  305. NYCmike says:

    ” that jason would have been disgusted and called on Scalia to resign?”

    -Good boy, “CG”.

    You just admitted that while jason would have been a hypocrite about Scalia vs Ginsburg RESIGNING, he did NOT wish for Ginsburg to die.

    Thank you for admitting this, in your own special way.

    Glad that is done without jason having to engage again.

  306. NYCmike says:

    “Remember this NYC the next time he lies about you or invents something about you.”

    -He has misrepresented my views plenty of times.

    You doing the same to him doesn’t change that.

  307. CG says:

    He responded that he was disgusted she had a will to live.

    NOT that he was disgusted she had chosen not to retire.

    What knows what is truly in his heart? He is a fraud after all.

  308. CG says:

    I only responded to his exact words and cut and pasted entire exchanges.

    If he wants to say that it came across a way he did not intend, that will clarify it.

  309. CG says:

    When he says that Robbie would sell his mother and sister into sexual slavery, does he actually mean something else?

  310. NYCmike says:

    “When he says that Robbie would sell his mother and sister into sexual slavery, does he actually mean something else?”

    -No, I take him at his word on that, just like I take him at his word when he says he DID NOT wish death on Ginsburg, as his words DO NOT explicitly say that.

    Your “interpretation” is wrong, but it seems you are too much of a sanctimonious pr*ck to allow for that.

  311. Bitterlaw says:

    Is there a better reason to live than to spite your enemies? Hmmm. Never thought of that.

  312. CG says:

    He didn’t “wish” death, he was just disgusted she wouldn’t die for Trump. Big difference I guess.

    The words he responded to were about “will to live” not a disagreement with him about “retiring.”

    Are we supposed to take him at his word for all the various fake handles he also posts under?

  313. NYCmike says:

    “If he wants to say that it came across a way he did not intend, that will clarify it.”

    -So far, you are the only way claiming he meant something else.

    (or did Pogo Loco agree with you?)

    AND, in a prior thread, he stated repeatedly what he meant…….but you just keep saying otherwise.

    Again, mainly because you are a sanctimonious pr*ck.

  314. NYCmike says:

    “Are we supposed to take him at his word for all the various fake handles he also posts under?”

    -LOL!

    What a tool you are!

    Are you and Robbie around the same age as Author?

  315. CG says:

    He claimed he meant something else days later. He does that a lot.

    Fine. But then just own up to the fact that you typed something that could be interpreted a different way and it is not the fault of the person for reading it exactly the way it appeared on the screen.

  316. CG says:

    And if we are to take him at his word now, he owes an apology to Chicon.

  317. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/incendiary-devices-found-outside-eugene-police-hq-after-police-shooting-of-armed-antifa-radical/

    -Hopefully, in Oregon, the citizens, politicians and the police themselves will begin to take these antifa people more seriously than they have in the last number of years.

  318. Bitterlaw says:

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/san-francisco-area-restaurant-bans-make-america-great-hats-compares-to-white-hoods-and-swastikas#

    The obvious response is to open up a MAGA friendly restaurant. MAGADonald’s? Let the free market sort out the winners and losers.

  319. NYCmike says:

    “And if we are to take him at his word now, he owes an apology to Chicon.”

    -An apology to Chicon? Why?

    Who died and made you hall monitor?

    AND, I think Chicon handled it perfectly!

  320. CG says:

    I have no political affinity for Ginsburg whatsoever, but you all know darn well that if I, or Robbie, or “one of the trolls” had composed a post the same way he did about a public figure that you people like, it would have been a big deal here.

    Clearly, he had a guilty conscience about it later.

  321. Bitterlaw says:

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/31/young-manhattan-nutritionist-hanged-herself-after-posting-suicide-note/

    Sad story. My brother works for a funeral home. In the past month, there was a funeral for a 24 year old woman and 20 year old man who committed suicide.

  322. Tina says:

    Frankenstein is lucky she is not in jail.

    Brian Fallon
    @brianefallon
    Dianne Feinstein is the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee and her legacy is going to be that she let Trump flip the historically liberal Ninth Circuit on her watch.
    (link: https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1090757952217235456) twitter.com/ZoeTillman/sta…

  323. Phil says:

    Senator Sherrod Brown complains that Trump rips babies from families on the same day his party pushes infanticide.

    You couldn’t make this sh*t up if you tried.

  324. CG says:

    Both can be true
    Both should be opposed

  325. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends, has Wuth Ginsburg left us? May she West In Peace.

    West in Peace, Wuth.

  326. Chicon says:

    Jason absolutely does not owe me an apology. For what? Taking apparently different positions on similar fact patterns? It’s happened to everyone, except Lisa.

  327. NYCmike says:

    #326 – Bitterlaw,

    That sounded like a wonderful life, up until the part where she took her own life.

    What would drive a person to do such a thing? It sounded like she had so much to live for, yet it wasn’t enough.

  328. CG says:

    Ok, I thought you were definitely wrong about McCain too, but he certainly is a hypocrite.

  329. Phil says:

    ….certainly Sherrod Brown is.

  330. NYCmike says:

    “Both should be opposed”

    -You are FOR leaving children together with people who break the law?

    Why should illegal immigrants be treated any differently than a person who commits a crime, and is taken away from their children for a certain amount of time?

    If a person is incarcerated, should their children join them in prison?

  331. CG says:

    Sherrod Brown, Ralph Northam, jason, and a whole lot of people.

  332. CG says:

    Talking about different things NYC that mean very different things.

    If a family is detained at the border together, they should remain together, and either be given asylum together or deported together.

  333. Chicon says:

    333 – Not the least bit interested in your opinion on the matter.

  334. CG says:

    Those who commit crimes would be far more likely to be an American citizen or legal resident or someone who has already established a residence in the U.S.

    They are offered bail in most cases. There is a standard legal process as to what will happen to them. If they are to be incarcerated, there are other parents who will have custody of the child (most people in prison are men of course) or other relatives or other arrangements made. Almost always, prisoners are allowed to have their children visit.

    The children know where their parents are. The parents know where their children are.

    Huge difference than the disgraceful family separation at the border policy.

  335. Phil says:

    Actually, Jason is one of the more consistent posters on this board.

  336. Chicon says:

    For the record…I don’t think Ginsburg should retire unless she’s sure she’s not going to be able to come back.

  337. Phil says:

    Ginsburg will be dead soon so it’s all academic.

  338. CG says:

    According to Tina’s Twitter sources, she is already dead.

  339. Phil says:

    She’ll be dead soon enough.

  340. CG says:

    She may outlive some of us.

  341. CG says:

    DJT recently wished her a long and happy life.

    It says a lot when he can understand the need to be graceful.

  342. Tina says:

    More please…

    Wayne Dupree ?
    ?
    @WayneDupreeShow
    House Dem nominates Christine Ford for the — John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award http://ht.ly/rCWN30nwZM2

    207
    10:41 AM – Jan 31, 2019

  343. Tina says:

    Let’s keep kids together with child,molesters and traffickers.

    Jebot

  344. Chicon says:

    As long as she outlives Trump’s presidency, eh?

    The wishes of true conservatives!

  345. CG says:

    I wonder if the woman who accused William Kennedy Smith of rape, (and saw him get acquitted in a high profile trial) were ever considered?

    What about the waitress that was sexually assaulted by Senator Ted Kennedy at an infamous restaurant scene?

  346. Tina says:

    I stood silent when bush and Obama had kids in cages.

    Jebot

  347. CG says:

    I hope she and every Justice on the Supreme Court lives happily and healthily to be 120.

    They can all retire at a time of their choosing. They are the ones who got confirmed.

  348. Tina says:

    The open border loons do not care about this:

    Sean Hannity
    ?
    @seanhannity
    **DEVELOPING: Four days ago in Nogales, Arizona, at the port of entry, CBP officers stopped a tractor-trailer crossing the U.S.-Mexico border into the U.S. with enough fentanyl to kill 57 million people.”** https://www.hannity.com/media-room/report-us-agents-seize-enough-fentanyl-at-us-mexico-border-to-kill-57-million-americans/

    6,090
    10:05 AM – Jan 31, 2019

  349. Phil says:

    Christine Ford a profile in courage? That’s rich.

    LMAO Perfect. They she can split the award with Anita Hill.

  350. CG says:

    I just think the Kennedy Family would choose to steer clear of an issue like that for obvious reasons.

  351. Tina says:

    Mireya Villarreal
    Mireya Villarreal
    @cbsmireya
    ·
    2h
    Record-breaking bust at
    @CBPArizona
    Port of Entry in Nogales.
    ??254 lbs of fentanyl (mainly powder) – Worth $3.5 million
    ??395 lbs of meth – Worth $1.18 million
    ??Hidden in an 18-wheeler carrying cucumbers, beneath fake bottom
    ??26-year-old Mexican national arrested

  352. CG says:

    So, sounds like our Border Control people are doing good things and getting the job done even without the mystical “Wall.”

  353. Tina says:

    Profile in courage to a liar, who should be charged for lying if we had an honest Justice Department.

    Will anything happen in Grassleys referrals to justice about the liars?

    Nope.

  354. Tina says:

    Dumb arse, it’s a port of entry.

  355. CG says:

    Since this apparently happened at a Port of Entry, it did not involve anyone attempting to “sneak across the border.”

    The “wall money” would be better spent putting more resources into enforcements at the Ports of Entry.

  356. Phil says:

    Ripped that private property away from a Mexican national at the border?

    That’s outrageous. Those bastards!

  357. Tina says:

    Infanticide

    Illegals

    Attacks on Catholics.

    70 percent tax rate

    High estate taxes

    Occasional Cortex and the Cantina

    More sheot shows

  358. Phil says:

    Welcome to the new Democratic Party, Tina.

  359. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    356. “Record-breaking bust at border”

    A drop in the bucket in the sea of narcotics that comes into the U.S. For the smugglers, its an expected cost of doing business.

  360. Tina says:

    More military sent to the border.

    They will build the wall.

  361. NYCmike says:

    “Welcome to the new Democratic Party, Tina.”

    -And “true conservative Republicans” would rather stay home and allow the Democrat to win than to pull the lever for Trump, who would fight against all of that.

  362. CG says:

    The “new” version of both of the major parties leave a whole lot to be desired.

    I miss the “Old” Part of the GOP.

  363. CG says:

    Trump could very well be on both sides of every one of those “issues.”

    He already has been before.

  364. Phil says:

    I can only imagine the behavior of Democrats once Trump nominates his replacement of Ginsburg based on their behavior during the Kavenaugh hearings.

    It will be the tantrum to end all tantrums and it will be as ugly as anything we’ve ever seen in politics.

    I am going to get plenty of popcorn and enjoy the show. It will be the ultimate in entertainment.

  365. NYCmike says:

    “Trump could very well be on both sides of every one of those “issues.””

    -Would love to see examples of Trump looking to kill babies AFTER they are born, and him going after Catholics, and calling for higher tax rates, and also for wealth taxes.

    They MIGHT be out there!

  366. CG says:

    While there is no SCOTUS vacancy forthcoming as far as we know, yes, the Democrats will be absolutely hysterical and desperate if there is one.

    Maybe that will backfire on them, but considering how weakened and unpopular DJT is, there should also be a concern for those on the right that his low political standing will make defending the nominee harder.

    At least Mitch McConnell is good at what he does, especially when he tells Trump to shut up and have a seat.

  367. Tina says:

    Yes, a true conservative, found on the Lido Deck supported the Va governor.

  368. CG says:

    It’s just a theory, but my theory is that DJT wouldn’t give a darn about if a child with a birth defect or someone with Downs’ Syndrome lived or died. Look at the way he mocked the disabled reporter.

    There are decent people on both sides of the aisle who are rightfully horrified at recent legislation coming from Democrats and by the incredibly callous words spoken by Gov. Northam (whom like somebody else claimed his very clear words were really meaning something different)

    The other stuff? Well, Trump has gone after the Pope. Maybe that’s no big deal.

    High tax rates? Do a Google search for what I just saw yesterday which was a 2000 interview with The Advocate (of all publications) in which he said he was exploring a Presidential bid and took positions on issues that sounded exactly like AOC.

  369. Phil says:

    If it’s worse than they treated Kavanaugh (and it will be. The left can’t help themselves) it will backfire Trump or no Trump.

    Nominate a woman. That will take any fake rape allegations of 30 yrs ago off the table. It will force Democrats to be more creative. I’m confident they will be up to the task and manufacture another doozy.

    I look forward to it.

  370. Tina says:

    Amy Barrett.

    Let them continue to be anti catholic,

  371. Phil says:

    Agree, Tina.

    Dems will take the bait and act like rabid dogs.

  372. CG says:

    Warning to those though about the above who might be concerned about “gay cookies” on their computer I suppose.

  373. NYCmike says:

    “High tax rates? Do a Google search for what I just saw yesterday which was a 2000 interview with The Advocate (of all publications) in which he said he was exploring a Presidential bid and took positions on issues that sounded exactly like AOC.”

    -Again, you pick and choose when to believe old statements made by Trump.

    Maybe you should try looking at his ACTIONS taken while in an elected office to see where his true beliefs stand, and then judge him accordingly.

    Radical idea, I know, but maybe worth a try!

  374. CG says:

    and I am sure TGCA would be relieved to know there are plenty of other places in Colorado where he can purchase gay cookies.

  375. CG says:

    I think Trump can switch on a dime if he wanted to. The point is that he has been on every side of every issue… with one exception and that being anti-trade protectionism.

    NYC, I trust you voted three times for Michael Bloomberg, right? Even though he had been a lifelong Democrat before running for Mayor.

    Am I correct?

    Did you like the job he did as Mayor of your city for 12 years?

    If no, did you refrain from criticizing him because Mesinger, Ferrer, Green, whomever would have been so much worse? If you are being consistent you would have not criticized him.

    I am sure you know that after serving 12 years as a Republican Mayor, Bloomberg has returned to his roots in the Democrat Party.

    Is it impossible to think Trump might one day want to do the same?

  376. Phil says:

    I want to see another judiciary committee hearing on a Supreme Court justice nominee. More Spartacus. More Kamala being herself. More Turbin Durbin.

    They ought to put it on pay for view.

  377. NYCmike says:

    “If you are being consistent you would have not criticized him.”

    -I am not sure what this means.

    WHY, WHY would I ever “not criticize” a politician, whom I voted for, if they were doing the wrong thing?

  378. CG says:

    I hope you answer the questions in the other part of the post…

    But how come when I criticize Trump, you say I am wrong to do so because I am forgetting how much “worse” Hillary would be? Is someone only allowed to criticize a politician if they actually voted for them? If so, that’s a pretty unusual standard.

    Did you vote all three times for Bloomberg and do you have no regrets?

  379. Phil says:

    Mike, you’re getting sucked in.

  380. NYCmike says:

    “Is it impossible to think Trump might one day want to do the same?”

    -It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE whatsoever, which is why i advocated for the last Congress to ignore him, and pass the legislation they had campaigned on for 7 years.

    Of course, you are one of the weak-kneed brigade who says Congress can’t do such a thing if the President is from their party……not sure where it says that in the Constitution, but you and the others like you tend to elevate how smart you believe yourselves to be.

  381. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    Thanks……I needed that help.

  382. Phil says:

    No problem, Mike. I’m there for you, brother.

  383. CG says:

    We’ve been through this before.

    Since Trump is so much more popular than Congressional Republicans among Republicans, including such as yourself of course, they have to go along with what he wants or risk having him Tweet against them or put up a primary opponent.

    Every single time a Republican Member of Congress has criticized Trump, you have sided with Trump and called the Republican out of line. You (and many others) wanted Mitt Romney to “shut up” for expressing disagreements with Trump over major foreign policy matters.

    So, you definitely do not practice what you preach.

    Generally speaking, a President leads a political party and Congress goes along with them.

    I am hoping we see that broken in the days and weeks and months ahead and for Republican to recognize that survival involves distancing themselves from Trump.

  384. NYCmike says:

    Of course you can criticize Trump – please do so while comparing him to the alternative.

    Voted for Bloomberg 3x – the other options were like DeBlasio. I criticized Bloomie for lots of things, but when the general election came around, I went with the best choice given the options.

    person like you picks up his ball and goes home…..

  385. NYCmike says:

    “Every single time a Republican Member of Congress has criticized Trump, you have sided with Trump and called the Republican out of line. You (and many others) wanted Mitt Romney to “shut up” for expressing disagreements with Trump over major foreign policy matters.”

    -This is a ridiculous statement……I have said many times that the person Trump gets into a fight with should laugh at him.

    Flake, McCain, Corker would have gotten my respect if they laughed out loud at Trump’s behavior, and then made sure to ram conservative legislation down the Democrats necks, and made Trump be the guy to sign or veto the bill.

    At that point, if Trump vetoed a conservative bill, you and I could have seen what Trump was made of.

    We did not get that chance.

  386. CG says:

    I would have voted for Bloomberg three times too. I could never vote for Trump. It’s primarily not about ideology. This has been explained many times.

    You still do not grasp that I do not exactly live in a swing state.

    Bloomberg used the Republican label to get what he wanted though, left the party there in shambles, because it was solely his play thing for him alone, and now he is a Democrat again (albeit maybe not as radical as most of the others)

    So, you would just have to acknowledge that you were used by him and now the days of having a “Republican” Mayor are probably gone forever and that parallels might very exist with the Trump situation.

  387. CG says:

    Every time a Republican Member of Congress voted or considered voting “against” Trump, you sided with Trump.

    Your loyalty has been to Trump. Just own it.

    Otherwise, I will welcome you joining me in considering which other GOP primary candidate to vote for in 2020.

  388. Tina says:

    Phil, let the Ca Senatora show her anti catholic bias.

    Let certain House Ds also, along with their anti semitism.

  389. Big Joe says:

    The New York Knicks have traded Kristaps Porzingis… dang.

    Big Joe

  390. lisab says:

    If he didn’t mean it how it came out, he should have just said so.
    ———————

    he did … he clearly explained he wanted her to retire

  391. dblaikie says:

    It looks like China and the US have made real progress on trade issues. The first fruit of that is that China has agreed to buy 5 million tons of soybeans per day. That is a lot of beans!

  392. CG says:

    Days later when called on it.

    The response was to “I think she should retire but…”

    The correct answer then would have been, “yeah me too.”

    Not, “why” and “it’s disgusting.”

  393. lisab says:

    Ginsburg is no longer fit for being on SCOTUS and is hanging on just for political purposes, and by her statements has admitted as much. She has abandoned any pretense of fulfilling her role as justice”

    “The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution”

    Her allegiances are to left wing partisan politics and the Democratic Party, not the law or the constitution.

    I don’t see anything admirable in that.

    This is the real reason Ginsburg won’t do the right thing and resign. TDS. She is on record, as a SCOTUS judge that she should move to New Zealand if Trump got elected.

  394. Tina says:

    At minimum, I think we need to know when will she return to the SC and have an update to her health,

    My concern would be (and it would be with any other politician) whether that person is making the decisions, or somebody else,

  395. CG says:

    I find that screed to be on the dumb side but he was reacting to something that was not asked and not in concert with how he responded.

    He could have said something like, “let me clarify.””

    Bitterlaw even went into a long scenario about Robbie and I donating blood or organs or whatever to keep RBG alive so clearly the crux of Bitterlaw’s post was about Ginsburg being alive or dead.

  396. NYCmike says:

    “Bloomberg used the Republican label to get what he wanted though, left the party there in shambles, because it was solely his play thing for him alone, and now he is a Democrat again (albeit maybe not as radical as most of the others)”

    -This is a ridiculous statement.

    Of course he used the Republican Party to become Mayor…..he coasted in on Rudy’s coattails.

    BUT, even Rudy had not been able to develop a downticket Republican party “label” that would take over power in NYC.

    To say Bloomberg “left the party in shambles” makes it sound as if it was actually an entity.

  397. CG says:

    Where is the proof that she is “hanging on just for political reasons?” Has she ever stated that?

    The fact is that most people actually do want to live, even 85 year old women with what we have been told is a treatable form of cancer that was removed.

    If she were running for President, her health would be a fair issue.

  398. Tina says:

    The Roger Stone, Credico, And Corsi tit for tats are interesting.

    Now, corsi admits that Stone is right.

    Yesterday, he said Stone was wrong.

    Stone is entertaining and his arrest has nothing to do with the Russian hoax.

    F. Mulehead better have more credible witnesses and other docs. All of them sound like unreliable people.

  399. CG says:

    So perhaps Bloomberg was the only Republican who could win and it was known he would be the last of his kind.

    Do you want to say the same applies to Trump? I certainly don’t believe that. There were better options to Trump last time and there are better options this time.

    To choose the same course as the Bloomberg Situation is to flirt with disaster short-term and long-term.

  400. lisab says:

    Days later when called on it.
    ————-

    no on the same thread

  401. NYCmike says:

    “So, you would just have to acknowledge that you were used by him and now the days of having a “Republican” Mayor are probably gone forever and that parallels might very exist with the Trump situation.”

    -Pure stupidity.

    A Republican Mayor will get another chance when the Democrats screw it up enough, just like last time.

    There is no parallel at all with Trump and a national platform.

  402. Tina says:

    4000 military on our border is not enough.

    I am sure we need to get closer to 50000.

  403. CG says:

    He made a non-related point. What came across on that thread was that he wanted her gone, whatever it took.

  404. CG says:

    You think a Republican may emerge anytime soon in NYC?

    If so, it won’t be for any effort Bloomberg made to grow the party or to stick with it after leaving office. If he were a longtime Republican who left because of changes in the party nationally, it would be one thing, but he had been a lifelong Democrat first. The nomination was outsourced to him, just like it was to Trump.

  405. NYCmike says:

    “There were better options to Trump last time and there are better options this time.”

    -Are you against the primary system?

    Wes, Robbie – anything to say about this “fascist”?

    Oh, by the way, the primary voters picked a person…..who……won…..the …….election…..

  406. NYCmike says:

    Giuliani didn’t do much for the Republican Party overall in NYC.

    I expected Bloomberg to do less.

    Why are you expecting something that nobody else does?

  407. lisab says:

    What came across on that thread was that he wanted her gone, whatever it took.
    ——————

    what came across is that you are an idiot and/or liar

    jason was quite clear

  408. CG says:

    I’m fine with the primary system. It is the Trump allies in the RNC who are calling for Presidential primaries to be abolished in 2020. Legally, they can do that.

  409. CG says:

    Giuliani endorsing Cuomo and Clinton showed he wasn’t much into helping the GOP early on.

    After leaving office though, he did go all out for Republicans. Then, he got his entitled butt kicked in the 2008 primaries and went goofy.

  410. CG says:

    There are of course also parallels here in IL with Rauner to NYC and to Trump.

    I voted for Rauner in two general elections and one primary. He left office despised by just about every single person at any “wing” in the party.

  411. NYCmike says:

    Rauner, if I recall, pissed off conservatives by signing an abortion bill?

    Which of course, Trump has made sure to keep his base happy, which Rauner did not.

    Where are the parallels?

  412. NYCmike says:

    Was it an abortion bill, or a marriage bill?

  413. NYCmike says:

    “Then, he got his entitled butt kicked in the 2008 primaries and went goofy.”

    -Entitled?

    Sounds like someone else who ran in 2016.

  414. NYCmike says:

    “I’m fine with the primary system. It is the Trump allies in the RNC who are calling for Presidential primaries to be abolished in 2020. Legally, they can do that.”

    -I don’t agree with that.

    What was the case in 1984, 1992, and 2004? Were there primaries?

    I don’t recall, other than Buchanan in ’92.

  415. CG says:

    There was an abortion bill and a “sanctuary” bill. He moved wildly and changed staff drastically at times trying to be right and then moving left and then trying to move right again, etc. He pissed off everyone eventually, especially after coming forward after the general election he lost and said he hadn’t even wanted to run and tried to get people to replace him after the primary.

    Another parallel was that he fought very hard against the General Assembly (and with far fewer Republican allies elected that exists in Congress) and there was the equivalent of a “shutdown” for months and months. That was at the heart of his unpopularity. Ultimately, he found he had no choice but to cave to Madigan and then he had absolutely no power left whatsoever.

    Trump is misplaying the “shutdown” hand just as badly. Democrats already saw they can break him once and they are simply never going to give in to him for the next two years.

    (Some solace to Rauner is the revelation that Madigan has recently been on a federal wiretap . Rauner is now laughing to reporters and saying I told you so.)

  416. CG says:

    Sounds a lot like Ted Cruz for one.

  417. CG says:

    Nobody else ran in ’84 or ’04, but there were primaries and the incumbents were on the ballot. There would have been primaries if anyone ran and qualified for the ballot.

    I think Larry Flynt tried to run against Reagan.

  418. NYCmike says:

    Cruz? Entitled? LOL!

    You really are crazy!

  419. Tina says:

    Peoples Pundit Daily
    @PPDNews
    New Home Sales Crush Forecast By Nearly 100K – (link: https://ppdnews.us/mw5tsKF) ppdnews.us/mw5tsKF

  420. Tina says:

    Leak from the SSIC on trump jr, clearing him. Remember, this was the fusion gps effort with the Russian woman in trump tower, a hoax:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/leak-senate-intel-obtains-information-clearing-donald-trump-in-don-jr-s-set-up-meeting-with-russian-attorney/

  421. Tina says:

    Aaron Maté
    Aaron Maté
    @aaronjmate
    ·
    40m
    Translation: yet another element of the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory (this one pushed by
    @RepSwalwell
    &
    @RepAdamSchiff
    and amplified endlessly on MSNBC) has just collapsed: (get used to it)
    Quote Tweet
    Marshall Cohen
    @MarshallCohen
    NEW TODAY: Many have wondered who Donald Trump Jr. was talking to during two calls to blocked numbers while he was arranging the notorious Trump Tower meeting. Three sources with knowledge of the matter tell CNN that it was NOT his father on the phone. (link: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/politics/senate-investigators-blocked-phone-calls-not-father-trump/index.html) cnn.com/2019/01/31/pol…
    8
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  422. Tina says:

    No wall needed here said one Jebot to the other:

    ted
    CBP Arizona
    CBP Arizona
    @CBPArizona
    ·
    Jan 30
    #USBP #YumaSector camera operators observe a group of 123 illegal aliens surrendering to agents after crossing vehicle barriers near Yuma last Friday. Yuma continues to apprehend an average of 100 – 200 Central Americans per day.
    @CBP
    #NationalSecurity #SouthwestBorderR

  423. jason says:

    “Then he says that Robbie would sell his mother and sister into sexual slavery, does he actually mean something else?”

    No.

    Because that is actually what I said.

    And of course, I never said I wanted RBG to die, never said I wanted anything bad to happen to her.

    All I said was that I wanted her to retire.

    But Corey, a pathological liar, is still trying to “interpret” my comment as something other than what it was.

    I see Corey wrote about 30 posts lying about what I said, on top of the 80 posts he had already written lying about what I said.

  424. jason says:

    What came across on that thread was that he wanted her gone, whatever it took.”

    It came across like that only to you because you are a pathological liar.

    Everyone else here understood exactly what I meant.

  425. jason says:

    Dang, I have to agree with something NYC wrote?

    Ok.

    “Your “interpretation” is wrong, but it seems you are too much of a sanctimonious pr*ck to allow for that.”

  426. NYCmike says:

    BUT, to clarify, jason did not have the same standard for John McCain. (h/t Chicon)

    🙂

  427. NYCmike says:

    Selective editing:

    “I have to agree with something NYC wrote”

    YES!

  428. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/details-emerge-jussie-smollett-attack-video-shows-actor-161903525–abc-news-celebrities.html

    -“CG”,

    Where were you early Tuesday morning, and where is that rope you usually carry around with you?

  429. NYCmike says:

    In no way am I inferring that it is you who attacked him, but people are reporting from Chicago, and you are close to there, so it needs to be asked.

  430. NYCmike says:

    Knicks trade Porzingis.

    Their record with him was like 40-200.

    Whatever.

  431. jason says:

    here were better options to Trump last time and there are better options this time.”

    I thought so too but then the election results proved me wrong.

    Only Trump would have won, so in hindsight there were not any better options.

    As for this time, I don’t see anybody else except Trump who is viable for the nomination. Maybe it will change but right now anyone who says he is not favored for the nomination is deluded.

    So assuming that is correct, the choice is between Trump and a raving moonbat socialist. That could change, maybe there will be a third party candidate who is not a raving moonbat socialist.

    So between Trump and a raving moonbat socialist, I prefer Trump.

    Corey prefers the raving moonbat socialist, but then he is a “conservative” and a “Republican”.

  432. CG says:

    436. He claims he was attacked by masked men with MAGA hats who yelled “This is MAGA Country.”

    So, clearly not me.

    This is either a really horrible story about a politically motivated attack or a Tawana Brawley like hoax.

    Time will tell.

  433. Wes says:

    Jason can keep saying only Trump would have won—just as he can keep saying Karen Handel was some kind of solid candidate—but it doesn’t make it true.

    Hillary would still have been Hillary whether Trump had been the GOP nominee or not. Her flaws would still have been present and would have left any other Republicanan opening. Who cares if any other Republican wouldn’t have won Michigan—which Trump will lose next year anyway? Without Trump and the backlash against him in the Rocky Mountain states, the GOP would still have had a floor of 259 EVs counting Ohio and Iowa—which Trump flipped solidly—and Florida—which would likely have flipped GOP anyway given Obama’s narrow win there after the 44th President’s assiduously courting the state’s voters.

    That would have left the Trump-hating states of Nevada, New Hampshire, and Colorado where Trump was a detriment to the GOP up and down the ballot as potential flips without the detriment of a presidential candidacy that damaged the party in those states in the short and long term.

    There’s simply no evidence Trump’s 2016 showing was absolutely some kind of high GOP watermark
    in 2016.

    To say otherwise is simply self-serving revisionist history intended to rationalize Trump.

    Save for judges—a not insignificant thing admittedly—Trump’s 2016 victory was likely a pyrrhic one as well since Trump has gotten the GOP clobbered in the all-important suburbs and will be swept out of office next year because of his own egomaniacal tendencies and hubris, which are destroying his voter appeal and giving Democrats and Indies solid motivation to turn out against him.

    Hillary would still have been Hillary regardless of her opponent. There’s no evidence she wouldn’t have been just as bad a candidate against any other Republican opponent—and nothing to indicate the GOP couldn’t have still won without an increasingly unpopular lightning rod as their standard bearer.

  434. Wes says:

    I gave Trump his chance and openly mulled voting for him in 2020. He’s decided to continue governing like a reality star rather than a President. That’s all his fault. He will lose next year because of himself. I won’t vote for him or the Democrat, but his victory here in North Carolina won’t be representative of his national showing.

  435. Phil says:

    Hillary would have still been Hillary, but without Colorado or Virginia I don’t see how any Republican gets to 270 in 2016.

    Colorado was gone and Virginia was gone. Romney proved that in 2012.

  436. Phil says:

    Nikki Haley could make it close, but Republicans refuse to nominate a woman even if they don’t already have an incumbent President.

    Kamala Harris is your next President. I would take Biden over her any day of the week, but we won’t even get that lucky.

  437. Wes says:

    With Trump’s largely ignoring both states, Republicans lost CO by 5 and VA by 4, Phil. Because of the shambles the VAGOP has been in ever since Ken Cuccinelli decided to hijack the party for a vanity run for Governor, VA was likely gone anyway, especially with Kaine as Hillary’s running mate.

    However, CO moved further GOP in 2016 even with antipathy toward Trump in the state. Republicans could well have won it.

    At the same time, OH is the money state for the GOP. Winning that has always been the key for a GOP presidential victory. That OH flipped to Trump solidly suggests another Republican would almost certainly have won it and been well on the path to victory.

  438. Wes says:

    Trump’s base was necessary for Trump to win. It wasn’t the only path for any Republican to win. Anyone who thinks the people Hillary both ignored and denigrated would have turned out for her or stayed home after turning out just two years prior to rebel against Democrats who had also been treating them as second-class citizens simply isn’t looking at the whole picture.

  439. Phil says:

    Nikki Haley could give Kamala a good run although she’d still be the underdog. Trump would be able to keep Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina with a shot at Florida. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania become long shots and with it the election. Arizona might still tilt Trump, but only because Harris is such a leftwinger. On the other hand, maybe not based on the moonbat Arizona just put in the senate.

  440. jason says:

    I like Nikki Haley.

    But not only do I think she is not running, I don’t think she could win the nomination, and I don’t think she could win the GE.

  441. jason says:

    I think anyone who thinks another R candidate (among those that were running) would have won the 2016 is completely deluded.

    Hillary’s fire wall would have held against Rubio, Kasich, Jeb, Christie, and the rest of the field.

    None of them would have won PA, MI or WI. Outside of Rubio, probably none of them would have won FL.

    None of them would have won OH by 500k votes, that is for sure.

  442. Phil says:

    Yeah, I have trouble imagining Rubio doing any better than Romney in the fire wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Romney was routed in those states and Rubio had the same basic appeal to blue collar voters in those states that Romney did. Essentially, none.

    I believed all along that Trump would be the weakest Republican candidate in 2016, but it turned out only Trump could have assembled the kind of blue collar coalition to win the rustbelt. I was dead wrong.

  443. Wes says:

    Hey, Jason, prove it.

    While you’re at it prove Handel was a great candidate.

  444. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife said tonight that will vote for a Democrat or third party in 2020. She finds Trump so personally disgusting that she will not leave her ballot blank at the top. She feels guilty about not voting for President in 2016 but could not vote for Hillary or Trump.

  445. Tina says:

    Jordan Schachtel
    Jordan Schachtel
    @JordanSchachtel
    Schiff for Brains has had a bad January. Two elements of his Russian hoaxes came crashing down faster than a Jebot paper plane. And he could not go on the flight to Brussels as part of his Junket tour.

    1h
    Is
    @RepAdamSchiff
    now going to apologize to
    @DonaldJTrumpJr
    and the president for his role in advancing the Russia hoax and pushing provably false Trump Tower meeting narratives? Maybe he will at least reconsider leaking sensitive national security info to media activists?

  446. Bitterlaw says:

    She voted for every Republican for President starting in 1988.

  447. Chicon says:

    448 – 100% completely correct.

  448. Chicon says:

    451 – she’s not alone. Will she go full MD?

  449. Bitterlaw says:

    She is not a Democrat or lib. She rarely discusses politics, she just thinks Trump is such a vile person that she has to cast a protest vote.

  450. Tina says:

    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    ·
    1h
    By now, Robert Mueller has to be feeling silly he ever took on this case. He gathered from Comey and McCabe and Strzok and Steele and Brennan that he had a big juicy espionage case. They misled him. All he has is peccadillos, reputational embarrassment, and a massive headache

  451. lisab says:

    As a pro-choice American, I have to say the bill the Dems tried to pass in VA is absolutely ghoulish.
    ————–

    if robbie/cg keep acting like a big baby

    can we abort them?

  452. lisab says:

    Teacher Andrew Moffat criticised for promoting homosexuality ‘felt threatened and targeted’

    A gay teacher who has been criticised by parents for promoting homosexuality during lessons has said: “I’m in exactly the right place and I have no plans to leave.”

    Andrew Moffat, awarded an MBE for his work in equality education, has told BirminghamLive that Parkfield Community School is “the best school for me”.

    He has faced angry protests by Muslim mums and dads outside of the gates in recent weeks and says he has felt threatened by the angry outpouring of feeling.

    He has, he says, been unknowingly filmed when talking to parents outside school, and been the subject of both a leaflet campaign and threatening phone call.

    The teacher said he is also aware of malicious content about him on Facebook.

    Around 400 signatures have been penned onto a petition calling for No Outsiders – which include lessons about LGBT – to be completely scrapped from the curriculum.

    The row broke out after outraged mum Fatima Shah, who initially pulled her 10-year-old daughter out of the school, said children were too young to be learning about same-sex marriages and LGBT in the classroom.

    “It’s inappropriate, totally wrong,” she told BirminghamLive.

    “Children are being told it’s OK to be gay yet 98 per cent of children at this school are Muslim. It’s a Muslim community.”

    Ms Shah, whose daughter has returned to Parkfield Community School, has revealed she will continue to fight against No Outsiders being taught.

    But Mr Moffat, last year one of three British teachers shortlisted for a global ‘world’s best teacher’ award, says that feedback from most parents has been positive, and that the protests have arisen from concerns among a “very small minority” of parents.

  453. Bitterlaw says:

    How did lisab find that article when she devotes most of her free time finding stories about intolerant Christians?

  454. Bitterlaw says:

    Who will be the first to post it is wrong for the Muslims to protest the teacher but totally different if Christian parents did it?

  455. lisab says:

    Weeks after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., made headlines by calling for a top marginal income tax rate of 70 percent in an interview with “60 Minutes,” her fellow freshman congresswoman, Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., suggested that the rich could pay even more.

    “There are a few things that we can do,” Rep. Omar said in an interview with “Through Her Eyes.” “One of them, is that we can increase the taxes that people are paying who are the extremely wealthy in our communities. So, 70 percent, 80 percent, we’ve had it as high as 90 percent. So, that’s a place we can start.”

  456. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    463. The Democrats are melting faster than the Wicked Witch of the West. Trump must be jealous that Ocasio-Cortez and Omar are getting more attention for their crazy statements then he is for his.

    Meanwhile the java guy is lurking:

    “When Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) recently floated her new wealth tax, Schultz called it “ridiculous.”When Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) said we should “eliminate” private health insurance, Schultz said, “That’s not American.” When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) proposed a 70 percent marginal tax rate, Schultz dismissed it, saying “I don’t think we want a 70 percent income tax in America.” Indeed, Schultz has ripped the entire Democratic socialist agenda, declaring “Free Medicare-for-all, government-paid free college for all — first of all, there’s no free. I mean nothing is free.”
    No wonder Democrats are fuming. Instead of debating Republicans, they may spend the next two years fighting a liberal independent who is slamming their far-left policies.
    Indeed, the neosocialist turn national Democrats have taken is precisely why Schultz decided to run as an independent. He calculated that he could not win the Democratic nomination running as a conventional, centrist Democrat. “I no longer feel affiliated [with the Democrats] because I don’t know their views represent the majority of Americans,” he says.
    Schultz is right. In fact, a recent Pew Research poll found that 53 percent of Democrats want the party to move in a more moderate direction, not embrace the radical policies of Ocasio-Cortez.”

  457. lisab says:

    Gov. Gavin Newsom touts proposed $25 million in California aid to asylum seekers

  458. lisab says:

    ‘Little Ice Age’ which froze the River Thames caused by Americas genocide, study finds

    Known as the “Great Dying”, the upheavals following the first contact with Europeans in 1492 is thought to have slashed the population of 60 million living across the Americas down to five or six million within just 100 years.

    Published in Quaternary Science Reviews, the study found that much of the land previously cultivated by indigenous civilisations would have fallen into disuse, becoming swallowed up by forest and grassland.

    It estimates that an area of 56 million hectares, roughly the size of modern-day France, would have been rewilded in this way.

    The scale of the change is believed to have drawn an amount of CO² from the atmosphere equivalent to two years’ fossil fuel emissions at the present rate.

  459. NYCmike says:

    “My wife said tonight that will vote for a Democrat or third party in 2020.”

    -Personal animus making people vote for a person diametrically opposed to the policies they prefer?

    I am trying to think of 1 politician who is NOT a sleazy SOB in one way or another. It is the nature of the job.

    And Trump is the one who sets so many off?

    He is a guy who thinks he is a god, and acts accordingly.

    Every other politician thinks they are a god, and try to hide it.

    I guess a lot of people like it when people try to fool them.

  460. lisab says:

    Va. Gov. Northam faces fierce conservative backlash over abortion bill

  461. lisab says:

    Abortionist: I Cut the Vocal Cord So The Baby Can’t Scream

    You know fetuses can’t scream, right? I transect the cord 1st so there’s really no opportunity, if they’re even far enough along to have a larynx.”

  462. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Abortionist: I Cut the Vocal Cord So The Baby Can’t Scream”

    We are beyond abortion — and approaching infanticide.

  463. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Matt Walsh?
    “Please stop killing undocumented infants who are trying to cross the border of the birth canal in hopes of a better life. Every undocumented infant deserves a chance at the American dream.”

  464. jason says:

    I think my wife, who did not vote for Trump in 2016, might well vote for him in 2020. She hasn’t actually said that but she thinks the Dems have gone crazy left. She hates Pelosi even more than she hated Hillary. Trump only got 1/5 votes out of my family last time around. He might get 3/5 this time. My wife, btw, is still a registered R.

  465. jason says:

    Put a gun to my head and I say she votes for any challenger to Trump in the PA primary but votes for him in the GE against any socialist the Dems put up.

  466. Bitterlaw says:

    People vote against their own interests for their own reasons. As a diabetic, I know that stem cell research from aborted fetuses or fertilized eggs that are going to be discarded could lead to a cure. Dems love the idea. I am Pro-life and will not vote for Dems.

    My wife is an intelligent woman. Her only mistake was settling for me. She did not vote for Bill Clinton in part because his personal life was appalling. Trump’s multiple marriages, mistresses and repugnant remark about grabbing women was too much for her. No point in arguing with her.

  467. Tina says:

    Spartacus is running.

    One more commie to the list.

  468. jason says:

    I think the mistake your wife is making is assuming Democrats are more moral than Trump. They are not.

    I would argue there are more important issues than private comments about grabbing women over a decade ago.

    But, like you said, she is an intelligent woman, there is always hope she will pull that “against socialism” lever on the Radnor machines.

  469. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – She knows what a Democrat’s are. My best hope is that she votes third party. In Radnor in 2016, the Against Hillary and Trump button just picked a random third party candidate.

  470. dblaikie says:

    How can anyone in their right or left mind try to claim that the dems are more moral than Trump! I know the all stuff about his past — who doesn’t? But folks in the last 10 days we have heard dem leaders in our Country support infanticide!! They advocate that you can have your pregnancy terminated right up to the due date. And like I say don’t through at me that they will only due it when health of the mother is the issue. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE HEALTH. What about mental health. What about financial health. Having a baby is risky and brings up health concerns. No! These immoral and beastly bills open the door to a pandora’s box of pure evil. Don’t lecture me that the dems are more moral than Trump!!!!

  471. dblaikie says:

    I am so angry, even my grammar was terrible. Don’t throw at me that they will do it when the health …

  472. dblaikie says:

    If you hate Trump, please vote independent. Don’t give these complete nut cases the power to wreck the bedrock of the values which we are supposed to stand upon.

  473. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING:
    304,000 new jobs created in 01/2019. GANGBUSTER!!(12/2018 number went down by 90,000 from 312k to 222k)
    The unemployment rate went up one tick to 4.0% due to the government shutdown
    Wage groth up 3.2% year over year
    Labor Participation Rate remained steady at 69.3%
    The U-6 rate is 8.1%

    Strong Report!

  474. dblaikie says:

    Well Trump the Putin puppet just canceled the Intermediate Nuclear Treaty with Russia due to Russian non compliance. I wonder how the loons are going to spin this one?

  475. dblaikie says:

    As far as the economy goes if we reach a deal with China and they open their markets it will be huge. Huge for farmers, huge for autoworkers, just huge. Simply huge for areas in the Country where Trump needs votes most.

  476. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I guess jason and Bitter’s wife will cancel each others Presidential votes in 2020 from the way they voted in 2016.
    If The Donald would wean himself off Twitter and stop doing all the media interviews he does, his approval rating would skyrocket.
    Alas, that is probably too much to ask from a narcissist.

  477. Wobbles says:

    REAKING:
    304,000 new jobs created in 01/2019. GANGBUSTER!!(12/2018 number went down by 90,000 from 312k to 222k)
    The unemployment rate went up one tick to 4.0% due to the government shutdown
    Wage groth up 3.2% year over year
    Labor Participation Rate remained steady at 69.3%
    The U-6 rate is 8.1%”

    Did you hear Trump might have had a one night stand with a porn star a decade before he was President?

  478. Chicon says:

    Currently 10 degrees in Chicago. Sounds cold, but it is 32 degrees warmer than breakfast time yesterday.

  479. Bitterlaw says:

    DB- You are a better person than I am. I don’t believe in redemption. I will never stop condemning Trump’s personal behavior. Still, he is better than Hillary or his 2020 opponents on policies and appointments. It is unfortunate that we get stuck with vile scum in the White House as the only way to stop the Dems. As I said in 2016, the real world sucks.

  480. jason says:

    guess jason and Bitter’s wife will cancel each others Presidential votes in 2020 from the way they voted in 2016.”

    Maybe. She will not vote Dem or third party.

    She gives Trump credit for the economy and the tax bill. She doesn’t care about who he had a one night stand or didn’t in 2006 or if he got married 3 times. She thinks the Hollywood Access tape was basically locker talk. She thinks the Dems have gone way overboard to the left and she thinks she already pays enough taxes.

    But she thinks Trump is a blowhard with too big an ego and that he makes snap judgments without consulting anyone. She doesn’t think he commands the respect a President should. She thinks he is childish and petulant. She thinks he has no class.

    I am hopeful that confronted with a moonbat, she will vote for him. Time will tell.

  481. dblaikie says:

    Butter, I am certainly not a better person than you. To grapple with a hard disease and at the same work and love and raise a family takes grit and courage and strength. So don’t sell yourself short.

    Donald Trump is a flawed human being who doesn’t want to seem to hide his flaws. Not to know that is to bury your head in the sand. But I spite of those flaws I believe he trying to do the right thing.

    I agree with C.S. Lewis who wrote in his important book, Mere Christianity, that we western culture types obsess too much with sexual sin. Of course adultery is wrong! But just as wrong is spreading a rumor that wrongly destroys a persons reputation. And given a choice between a person who fools around and a person who supports a policy that will murder the most vulnerable in society — well there is no choice.

  482. jason says:

    I will never stop condemning Trump’s personal behavior.”

    Ok, but he is already halfway through his Presidency.

    As far as I know, he has been a good husband and father to Melania and Barron, and has not done anything that he was accused of in the past while in office, certainly nothing like Bill Clinton did while in office.

    I am not big in redemption either, I will never excuse Bill Clinton’s behavior as President, or Hillary for enabling him, but I question how relevant Trump’s 3 marriages (mentioned by Bitter as a reason for his wife not to vote for him) are to to the 2020 election.

  483. Phil says:

    As Tina mentioned, Spartacus has entered the race. The entertainment value of this can’t be overestimated. This phony is something else. The jokes write themselves.

  484. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife’s reasons are as legitimate as anybody else’s reason to vote or not vote.

    I have no doubt that jason has a fine wife. Her butter churning is greatly admired in York and Lancaster counties.

  485. Chicon says:

    Redemption question…

    If there is no redemption, what incentive do we have to do the right thing in the future?

  486. Wobbles says:

    New threads.

    Warren up on Trump huge in MI.

    Election is over.

    Socialist 2020!

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – I don’t think a person can ever make up for bad things they did or their failures. That does not mean they should do more bad things or keep failing.

  488. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    Your wife voted for Trump in 2016?

    I thought she had abstained.

  489. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren apologizes to Cherokee Nation for taking DNA test to prove Native-American roots