Biden Leads Trump By 8% in WI, Sanders Leads Dem Primary By 15%

Emerson Polling has released a new poll in the state of Wisconsin that shows, as seems to be the norm, Democrats have the best chance of picking off some of the states Trump won in 2016 if Joe Biden is their nominee.

Joe Biden (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Kamala Harris (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Beto O’Rourke (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 49%

Amy Klobuchar (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%

Joe Biden (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%
Howard Schultz (I) 4%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Howard Schultz (I) 5%

Bernie Sanders 39%
Joe Biden 24%
Elizabeth Warren 14%
Beto O’Rourke 6%
Kamala Harris 5%
Amy Klobuchar 4%
Cory Booker 2%
Andrew Yang 1%
Pete Buttigieg 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
John Hickenlooper 0%
Jay Inslee 0%
Julian Castro 0%
Tulsi Gabbard 0%

Donald Trump (inc) 89%
Bill Weld 11%

This poll was done March 15-17 among 775 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 8:59 pm
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415 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 8% in WI, Sanders Leads Dem Primary By 15%”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:


  2. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Assume the first poll is Wisconsin instead of Michigan.

  3. Tgca says:

    Tres Bebe! Tres!

  4. Tgca says:

    Ooooh! A gay-only thread!

  5. Ron N says:

    I would have thought the numbers would look better for the Dems after 2 years of msm none stop slamming president Trump. Wait for people hear these guys talk and some ads go up I am not counting this state anywhere close to want to go back to the not working and closing plants.

  6. janz says:

    Bitter, I take bias of any garden variety seriously. As a kid I couldn’t believe the vile treatment of blacks via Jim Crow Laws, black code laws, separate facilities based on color, the resistance of civil rights (ironically by the dems). So, when such bias rears it’s head again — this time ideologically — I don’t make light of it, as such malignant behaviors often incrementally fester, grow and then metastasize to something more than what jerseys and hats people wear.

    For example, living in CA, a once “golden” conservative state, is living proof at how social progressive policies and their acrimony, to anyone disagreeing with them, can quickly dissolve the freedoms of having open, spirited and tolerant public discourse without the aftermath being some kind of unpleasant recourse.

  7. janz says:

    Interesting link…..

    According to a recent opinion survey from The Wall Street Journal, the president “cumulatively leads a generic Democratic opponent, 46 percent to 40 percent,” in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

  8. jason says:

    RonN is gay?

    janz is gay?

    jason is gay?

  9. jason says:

    These numbers are actually pretty good for Trump.

  10. jason says:

    Tgca gets a little carried away after a breakfast consisting of a lb of organic marshmallows coated in a pint of organic chocolate sauce sprinkled with a lb of organic shredded double stuffed Oreo cookies, all washed down with a glass of organic maple syrup.

  11. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – If you believe that the treatment of blacks is comparable to the bias against Trump supporters then we just do not speak the same language. We just don’t agree. If you want to feel like a victim, go for it. I prefer to tell detractors to F off. Nicely, of course.

  12. Wes says:

    Mussolini’s Fascists—I mean, the Tea Party—strike again by once again trying to deny anyone but their anointed candidates primary ballot access:

  13. mnw says:

    If u want to see some fascism, Wes… Washington state is about to pass a law banning Trump from appearing on the ballot there, until he releases his tax returns.

    If enough other states follow Washington state’s lead, the 2020 Presidential election will be decided before any votes are cast.

  14. lisab says:

    trump’s favorability in 2016 was 39%, and he got 46% of the vote

    now his favorability is consistently about 46%,

    does that mean he gets above 46% in 2020?

    that is, how many people either don’t like trump but will relectantly vote for him or will still not admit to liking him but will vote for him?

  15. lisab says:

    of course if gallup is correct than trump’s approval is actually 39%

    and he is looking like he will get 46% just like in 2016

  16. lisab says:

    hillary was +6.5% LV in wisconsin in rcp in 2016 to give context

    the dems cannot be too happy with this poll

  17. mnw says:


    I like the way he’s battling both GM mng AND the UAW to get that Lordstown, OH plant re-opened.

    And he’s absolutely right! Why in hell is GM (govt motors) the only auto company closing a U.S. plant, when all the other car companies are OPENING new plants & adding workers?*

    If GM can’t make money in Lordstown, sell the plant to somebody who can.

    *result of withdrawing from NAFTA, btw.

  18. Wes says:

    I’m not sure that law would survive a constitutional challenge, Marc.

    It’s a clear attempt to game the system.

    Of course Trump can obviate it if Washington passes it by releasing the relevant tax returns. That’s something people running for President traditionally do.

    Whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, I would hope that bill doesn’t become law.

  19. jason says:

    Here at HHR some are against socialism but some think its ok for the President to tell private companies what plants and where they should be opened or closed.

  20. jason says:

    *result of withdrawing from NAFTA, btw.”

    Nobody withdrew from Nafta.

    Trump pretended to have “renegotiated” NAFTA, most of which was just window dressing.

  21. jason says:

    Actually, Trump is probably not going to win any state blue enough to pass laws keeping him off the ballot so it doesn’t damage his re-election prospects.

    The funny thing is the Dems whine about “voter disenfranchisement” but want to keep the President off the ballot.

  22. jason says:

    Mussolini’s Fascists—I mean, the Tea Party—strike again by once again trying to deny anyone but their anointed candidates primary ballot access”

    wes, the Tea Party fascists want to make sure only deadenders get on the ballot, they don’t want to take any chances that someone that could actually win an election might get on.

    It’s like an insurance policy.

  23. Messy says:

    Here’s something interesting. The coalition government in New Zealand consists of a socialist/far right-antiimmigrant pact…imagine a Warren/Pence ticket…

  24. Phil says:

    The same bill that will become law in Washington has passed the NJ Senate on a straight party line vote and is expected to pass the NJ House. Hawaii is another state that the bill will probably become law. I suspect NY and California won’t be far behind.

    Interestingly, the bill passed in California and Governor Moonbeam vetoed it saying it was unconstitutional and anti Democratic. He also said it was bad because it set a bad precedent to allow partisans of both parties to game the system depending on who controlled the state.

    I love it. The Supreme Court would squash it like a bug……and it wouldn’t just be 5-4 either. The bill also has the added bonus of being so blatantly manipulative that it turns off indies. Oh yeah, it undercuts the credibility of a party that likes to scream voter suppression.

    I want as many blue states as possible to pass this garbage legislation.

  25. Phil says:

    …and Trump will be laughing his ass off if Democrats expect this clown move is going to trigger him into releasing his tax returns. We haven’t even touched on the hypocrisy of lawmakers voting for the bill when the themselves haven’t released their own returns. The whole thing is delicious.

    I love it. LOL

  26. Phil says:

    Then there is the ludicrous notion that a political party would block ballot access for the POTUS…

    I’m up for another clear example that the Democrats are stark raving mad. Come on Dems. Do it!!

  27. Wes says:

    In 2004, because of the date of the RNC, Bush was running into potential trouble achieving ballot access in some states.The California—CALIFORNIA—SOS worked with GWB to ensure the then-President would be on the ballot in the Golden State.

    Now Dems are trying to keep Trump off the ballot in several states.

    My, how times have changed.

    :: facepalm::

  28. jason says:

    The new motto for the Democrats:

    “Let every vote for Democrats count”

  29. Phil says:

    I’m no constitutional scholar but this one has 9-0 written all over it.

  30. jason says:

    Messy Moron’s definition of “far right”:

    Anything that is not Communist, Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist or Trotskyist.

  31. Phil says:



    Sounds like a winning slogan to me.

  32. jason says:

    I’m no constitutional scholar but this one has 9-0 written all over it.”

    You never know… but the fact there is no law mandating the release of the tax returns should help.

    I can see the line of questioning..

    “What is the basis of keeping the candidate off the ballot?”

    Well, we want to see his tax returns.

    “Is there any law mandating the release of his tax returns?”

    Well, no, but we want to see them.

  33. jason says:

    They can even jazz it up a little:

    “Legal, smeagle, let every Democratic Vote Count as much many times as necessary”

  34. Phil says:

    Then there is the little matter that the Supremes have already ruled that states cannot add qualifiers beyond what is written in the US Constitution for running for federal office.

  35. jason says:

    Janz – If you believe that the treatment of blacks is comparable to the bias against Trump supporters”

    Historically or currently?

    I would certainly agree that historically there is no comparison.

    But I think you can make the point Trump supporters are now treated worse than any minority.

    People don’t get kicked out of restaurants for being black anymore.

    I haven’t heard of any black person wearing a Hope and Change hat being physically attacked for the hat lately.

  36. Chicon says:

    The legal question on the Washington ballot measure is whether the state legislature has the power to enact the rule. Whoever challenges the law will need to find a state constitutional violation to alleged, a federal law, or a federal constitutional violation.

  37. jason says:

    US Constitution for running for federal office.”

    They will say he can run, he just can’t be on the ballot.

  38. jason says:

    I think the law is really designed to suppress the R vote in these states.

    They figure without Trump on the ballot, fewer Rs will come out to vote and more Dems will be elected in the down ballot races.

    This is not about tax returns.

  39. Phil says:



    No chance in hell this passes constitutional muster. They can’t even get Jerry Brown on board.

    Anyway, I love this simply because I love it it whenever the left over reaches. When you over reach it is counter productive.

  40. jason says:

    Yeah, except I thought Obama was overreaching when he said the oceans would stop rising if he was elected and look at what happened.

  41. mnw says:

    I didn’t SAY the Wash state bill was Constitutional.

    Since Trump withdrew/renegotiated/replaced NAFTA, auto companies have been falling all ver themes;ves pulling plants out of Mexico & building them in the U.S.

  42. lisab says:

    i would not be to sure it would be 9-0

    by rights maybe it should be,

    but would it shock anyone if it went 5-4 upheld with the 4 dem judges + roberts

    roberts is not trump’s friend and does not seem to mind going beyond the written constitution

  43. lisab says:

    i would have bet money roberts would overturn obamacare, and he upheld it

    it’s a tax that originated in the senate

  44. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Boy are Wormtounge Robbie, Moron Messy and Sanctimonious Corey going to be upset by this just-released USA Today Poll on the Mueller investigation.
    The key data point in this poll is that 50% of those polled agree with The Donald that the Mueller investigation is a “Witch Hunt”! BOOM!

  45. jason says:

    auto companies have been falling all ver themes;ves pulling plants out of Mexico & building them in the U.S.”

    Zzzzzz…. fake news

    Nov 27,2018

    General Motors Corp.’s proposal to close three car plants could lead to a dispute with the UAW over the company’s reliance on Mexican operations.

    United Auto Workers officials in Detroit said they see in the proposal a possible strategy by GM to reduce production capacity in the United States while keeping Mexican plants at full output.

    GM on Monday announced a proposal to shut down assembly plants in Michigan, Ohio and Ontario employing about 6,000 autoworkers.

    Plans to close the three plants were explained by GM as a way to idle production capacity of unprofitable cars in a market dominated by demand for pickup trucks and sport-utility vehicles.
    Rising production in Mexico

    The move also would leave GM sourcing a larger share of its vehicles from Mexico, where it is now the No. 2 automaker after Franklin, Tennessee-based Nissan North America.”

  46. jason says:

    GM certainly not “falling all over itself” to open plants in the US.

  47. Chicon says:

    Yo, Jason, check out post 17. Note the reference to “other than GM”.

  48. NYCmike says:


    As long as jason votes for Trump in 2020, I figured it is a waste of time to have him actually read what people write……just let him keep thinking what he wants, who cares….an A-Hole can only fit so much “information” at one time, before it explodes.

  49. NYCmike says:

    -Have a friend who says that Trump is an anti-Semite, and simply ignores all of the evidence against that position that I give him…….I can’t wait to see him!

  50. NYCmike says:

    Yes, the friend is jewish.

  51. CG says:

    Is your friend a fan of Ilhan Omar?

    If not, I don’t see what your point is with him?

  52. Chicon says:

    Mike, you’re probably right. I hear Megan McCain tore into Trump today. Seems she inherited his famous temper. Does HHR’s rule regarding the immunity from criticism because he was a war hero back in the day extend to his daughter, or can she be criticized for anything?

  53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    44. No wonder the trolls have fled.

    “WASHINGTON – Amid signs that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference may be near its conclusion, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds that trust in Mueller has eroded and half of Americans agree with President Donald Trump’s contention that he has been the victim of a “witch hunt.”

    Support for the House of Representatives to seriously consider impeaching the president has dropped since last October by 10 percentage points, to 28 percent.

    Despite that, the survey shows a nation that remains skeptical of Trump’s honesty and deeply divided by his leadership. A 52 percent majority say they have little or no trust in the president’s denials that his 2016 campaign colluded with Moscow in the election that put him in the Oval Office.

    That number does reflect an improvement from previous polls. One year ago, 57 percent had little or no trust in his denials; in December, 59 percent did.

    Twenty-eight percent say they have a lot of trust in former FBI director Mueller’s investigation to be fair and accurate. That’s the lowest level to date and down 5 points since December.

    In comparison, 30 percent express a lot of trust in Trump’s denials, the highest to date”

  54. lisab says:

    uh oh … the dems will be upset

    Rationed Bullets, Worthless Money: Tough Times for Venezuelan Thugs

    A profound economic crisis is not only hurting law-abiding citizens but also leaves fewer opportunities for kidnappings and armed robbery

    CARACAS, Venezuela—From his hilltop slum overlooking this decaying capital, Luis Martínez lamented that his once-lucrative armed robbery and kidnapping-for-ransom business is way down.

    Bullets are too costly, as are parts for his getaway car. Few victims carry U.S. dollars these days; the local bolivar is nearly worthless. There’s simply less money around to steal.

  55. NYCmike says:

    “If not, I don’t see what your point is with him?”

    -Well, since both of you make the same arguments about Trump, that makes sense.

    Both of you will do what you can to ensure that the Republican nominee loses the next Presidential election.

  56. CG says:

    I’ve never said Trump is an “anti-Semite.”

    I have said he is a bigot in general.

    So, I am not sure why you are going to use Ilhar Omar as evidence that Trump is not an anti-Semite.

    You would be wise to admit that Trump is bigoted but likely respects Jews a lot more than Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, and others, and that perhaps your Jewish friend should take solace in that.

    And there is nothing I can do to cause or prevent any Presidential nominee from winning an election.

    It’s juvenile fantasyland to suggest my one vote in Illinois is going to decide the election. Small children know better. I maintain that however long the Republic endures, no statewide election, no matter how small the state, nor how low the turnout will *ever* be decided by a single vote.

    So, unless either major party gets it’s act together before next November, I will almost certainly not be voting for either major party for President. I will exercise my right to vote though, and do so purely for my own conscience.

  57. CG says:

    But if you want to be technical about it NYC, you seem to be saying your friend will be voting for the Dem nominee against Trump. Since I almost certainly will not be voting for the Dem nominee, you have to admit there is a difference.

    Since I will probably consider Trump to be the worse of two evils in consideration the Democrat nominee, frankly I should be thanked for not “going all out” and voting Democrat.

  58. Phil says:

    Yeah, Trump would definitely be worse than some leftist socialist. Sheesh.

    …….but ok. Thanks for nothing.

  59. lisab says:

    An interesting point of fact is that Mar-a-Lago is located in Palm Beach, Florida, one of the wealthiest communities in the United States. Two of Mar-a-Lago’s competitors—the Palm Beach Bath and Tennis Club and The Everglades Club—have notoriously refused to admit Blacks. The Miami New Times reported that Hollywood legend Sammy Davis, Jr. was once kicked out of The Everglades Club, “because he was Black and Jewish.”

  60. NYCmike says:

    “Since I will probably consider Trump to be the worse of two evils in consideration the Democrat nominee, frankly I should be thanked for not “going all out” and voting Democrat.”

    -All the other words you wrote mean nothing……this says it all.

    Like JEB2016!, if this is what a “real Republican” believes, more reason why President Trump won the nomination last time around, and the rest of us are only “acting Republicans”.

  61. CG says:

    You should ask yourself why someone would feel t his way.

    I would have been the most partisan Republican you have ever met. A political junkie since childhood who viewed it as a sport so I always rooted for Republicans for everything and of course to this date has never voted for a Democrat. As I got older I spent countless hours working for Republican candidates running for “big” offices to small ones and enjoyed doing so, including on behalf of nominees who had defeated candidates I had supported in primaries.

    DJT was a bridge way too far for me though and for a lot of other people like me. It might be worth it to at least ask yourself why someone with my history of political involvement might feel that way.

  62. NYCmike says:

    Link is too long – Texas lawmakers are trying to make it illegal for Tesla to service cars bought by Texans.

    They already make it illegal for Tesla to sell direct to Texas consumers.

    This is the type of issue where Republicans eventually become like Democrats, using their power as the majority party to use it to enrich only themselves.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “DJT was a bridge way too far for me though and for a lot of other people like me. It might be worth it to at least ask yourself why someone with my history of political involvement might feel that way.”

    -Ask it often.

    And I have shown, as have many other posters, how President Trump, while being his typical brash New York self, how he has been a pretty good Republican, but also how he has been 10X BETTER FOR THE COUNTRY than any Democratic candidate would have been or will be in the future.

    You are the one, and have stated it repeatedly, who has not asked or reflected on his beliefs in regard to Trump.

    You know what you know, and simply ignore everything else…….which is why you keep repeating things over and over, like shot on 5th Avenue, casino workers of color who were fired, lawsuits against Trump housing complexes back in the ’70’s, etc, etc, etc.

  64. Phil says:

    …and it might be worth it to ask why someone who is such a “Republican” would think a socialist loon would be better in the WH than someone who has appointed solid conservatives to the federal courts, cut taxes, cut government regulation among other things.

    I’ll hang up and listen. This ought to be good.

  65. CG says:

    No, clearly, you haven’t attempted to ask yourself why. You just wonder why someone doesn’t agree with you.

    I can accept when somebody doesn’t agree with me.

  66. CG says:

    Again, there is nothing my vote can do to sway an election. I don’t live in a swing state.

    Assuming the Democrats nominate a “socialist loon” or anything resembling one, I still am not voting for that person.

    But I consider some things to be even worse than “socialism” and Trumpism is among them.

  67. CG says:

    And Phil, it’s not even your “fight” anymore. You admit you have checked out and that Trump is doomed for defeat (which is not something I have ever said.)

    You have conceded that the minorities will be taking over and America is done for. Are you having second thoughts now?

  68. Chicon says:

    66 – Trumpism is worse than socialism to you. That says it all, and nothing more needs to be said. Your feelings about him have revealed that you really had no principles.

  69. Phil says:

    I accept it just fine. I just asked why?

    I guess it’s a secret.

    Republican my ass.

  70. Phil says:

    Trump winning and who in the GE I support are two different questions and not related at all…..but yeah, demographics will give you your socialism. It’s a matter of when, not if. It’s simple math.

  71. CG says:

    It’s very enlightening to see how the “socialist” label gets thrown around as a litmus test.

    lisab has for years described herself here as a “socialist” but since she is a big Trump fan, there’s no issue with her or her beliefs. One may wonder why such a self-described socialist likes Trump so much and takes so much time to fight anyone who dares say a word against him here.

    I have been the furthest thing from a “socialist” my entire time posting at HHR but all that matters here now is loyalty to Trump.

    It’s not about socialism or stopping socialism. It’s just about Trump.

    Trump is the one who resembles a populist wannabe Banana Republic strongman. Lump him right up in there with the “socialists.”

  72. Phil says:

    Banana Republic

    Keeping opposition candidates off the ballot by legislation
    Packing the Supreme Court
    Skirting the electoral college with ‘state compacts”

    Yeah, I want to hear more about banana Republics.

  73. CG says:

    All of those things can be defeated through the democratic process.

    Trump hinting that he has all the “tough people” with guns on his side who are only going to be able to take so much is a bit different. Just like how he said during the last campaign that the “2nd Amendment people” might be able to stop a Hillary Supreme Court nomination.

    But yes, NYC will immediately say not to take things he says seriously. He is just being a “brash New Yorker.”

  74. NYCmike says:

    “lisab has for years described herself here as a “socialist” but since she is a big Trump fan, there’s no issue with her or her beliefs.”

    -This sentence tells you how much (actually, how little) you read, as opposed to simply continuing to never question your political beliefs.

  75. NYCmike says:

    “Trump hinting”


    You are a fool!

  76. CG says:

    Firstly, I support the Electoral College system remaining. Just out of curiosity though, are Nebraska and Maine acting in an unacceptable way since they have both established different rules?

    If every state had the same system as Nebraska and Maine in place, or simply just those that wanted to do so, regardless of if they are blue states or red states, would that be ok with you guys?

  77. Chicon says:

    Mike, he just said he’d rather have socialism than Trump. What’s left to discuss?

  78. NYCmike says:

    “If every state had the same system as Nebraska and Maine in place, or simply just those that wanted to do so, regardless of if they are blue states or red states, would that be ok with you guys?”

    -Regardless of if they are blue states or red states, which way is better for Republicans?

  79. CG says:

    Could a non-socialist have said, many times now, that North Korea, while continuing to operate under a strict Communist system, is destined for tremendous economic opportunity and potential?


  80. NYCmike says:

    “What’s left to discuss?”

    -It’s always interesting to see how far up the moral high ground his sanctimony can take him.

    Soon enough, the Palestinians and Syrians will forget about the Golan, and try to take over the “CG”.

  81. NYCmike says:

    Did “CG” really just write #79?

    How is it that I, a Trump supporter, can ignore 90-99% of what Trump says, but this die-hard #NeverTrumper takes as gospel TRUTH certain statements made by the President?……while, of course, ignoring over 2 years worth of administration actions??

  82. CG says:

    Can anyone even attempt to answer substantive questions?

    1. Is the Electoral College system in Maine and Nebraska fair or not? How is it more or less fair than the other proposals?

    2. Why does Donald Trump believe that North Korea is destined to thrive economically under a strict Communist system? For those who may not be aware, Communism is actually even further to the left of “socialism.”

    Does he really believe that or is it just something he says to kiss the ass of the Communist dictator he wants to like him? Would Ronald Reagan have ever said such a thing about a Communist country?

    Anyone want to take a stab at either of those?

  83. CG says:

    That really is the basic rationale for an OnlyTrumper.

    “Ignore 90-99% of what he says”

    NYC actually nailed something.

  84. lisab says:

    i am a lockean liberal and a utopian socialist, NOT a marxist. therefore, i am very much against centralizing the government (such as medicaid for all), or the high taxes that the dems want.

    as for trump i did not vote for him in 2016. unless warren is on the ticket, i almost certainly will not vote for him again in 2020.

    when one mocks you and robbie and paul for telling half-truths, it may also happen that it also makes trump look good, because you lie about him the most.

    both can be true 🙂

  85. NYCmike says:

    ““Ignore 90-99% of what he says””

    -Same rule for ALL politicians.

    ACTIONS speak louder than words.

    I recall being ridiculed by MD (and maybe jason) over 6 years ago for saying this.

  86. lisab says:

    “I would have been the most partisan Republican you have ever met. ”

    this is true

    i have never met a republican trying to elect the dem’s candidate as much as you

  87. NYCmike says:

    “That really is the basic rationale for an OnlyTrumper.”

    -Heh, “OnlyTrumper”!

    How many times can you write “ANY REPUBLICAN IS BETTER THAN THE DEMOCRAT” until “CG” will accept the fact?

    (3….2…..1…..until “CG” mentions David Duke or some other racist the mainstream-media would also mention)

  88. CG says:

    Anybody who one genuinely believes they should ignore 90-99% of the things they say would not even rise to being a competent human.

    I don’t think NYC actually believes this for a second. I just think he needs to defend Trump anyway he can, and since he cannot do it intellectually that is what he comes up with.

    He more than made my point though.

  89. CG says:

    I would have assumed that most of the Trump fans here were under the impression that lisab will be voting as they do in 2020.

    Since she said she is unlikely to vote for Trump (while living in a far more competitive state than I live in), I wonder if the same standards of culpability will be extended to her.

  90. lisab says:

    This sentence tells you how much (actually, how little) you read, as opposed to simply continuing to never question your political beliefs.

    i can remember when i was one of the lone people here saying going to war in the middle east was a very bad idea

    and now

    the dems want to keep the war going, and trump is trying to bring the troops home

    how times have changed

  91. CG says:

    David Duke is not better than a socialist.

    A socialist is still bad and I wouldn’t vote for a socialist against David Duke.

    But where is your line on the matter NYC (and others?) By not voting for Duke, you would be siding with socialism, right?

  92. lisab says:

    Since she said she is unlikely to vote for Trump

    i am not a dem troll 🙂

  93. CG says:

    Besides for Bitterlaw calling lisab a b,itch, a couple months ago because she inferred he cared too much about Jews, I genuinely cannot remember the last time a Trump voter took issue with her on anything.

  94. lisab says:

    david duke is endorsing democrats these days 🙂

  95. Phil says:

    Maine and Nebraska don’t try and circumvent the founding fathers concept of states electing the President. It doesn’t effect their basic ideas of NOT having presidents elected by a majority of the overall popular vote. The fathers wanted to make sure the small states were given a piece of the action in the electoral process. That can be done by state wide vote or state congressional district. Same concept.

    If leftists want to outlaw the electoral college and change to direct popular vote they have a legitimate way to go – its called the amendment process. Instead, they go the banana republic route and this gimmic ‘’State compact” end run around the constitution where the state’s popular vote decision is in effect thrown out the window. That’s about as banana republic as it gets.

    They can’t get what they want by the prescribed process so they play games.

  96. CG says:

    94. Since Trump had to stop doing that for the time being, someone had to pick up the slack.

  97. lisab says:

    well i think that david duke is anti-semitic …so he votes dem now

  98. CG says:

    One could argue that the Founding Fathers believed the states should go about choosing their Electors anyway they pleased and it was up to them to decide.

    So if it is good what Maine and Nebraska do, should be even better if all 50 states did it? (We’d have a lot more unpredictable elections for one thing)

    However, if California adopted the Maine/Nebraska system and Texas did not or vice versa it would definitely place a finger on the scale one way or another.

    When Pennsylvania, under a GOP legislature, was trying to do this for the 2012 election, the people here were all for it.

  99. Phil says:

    I don’t know how Lisa will vote in 2020.

    I know this, she’s one of the very few I have ever seen that doesn’t let her ideological stance automatically transfer to an allegiance to the Democratic Party. She has always been that way and been that way long before Trump. You can go back and check.

  100. CG says:

    Do I have allegiance to the Democrat Party, Phil?

    Do you actually believe that?

  101. Phil says:

    My point is that Maine and Nebraska have adopted a system that is entirely consistent with the concept created by the Founding Fathers. States elect the President. What the left is attempting to do is do an obvious end run around the constitutional process – namely a gimmic end run aound The Amendment process simply because getting three fourths of the states isn’t doable.

    You can’t equate what Maine does with this state compact idea.

  102. lisab says:

    the democrats are becoming borderline marxist

    they even are trying to shut down dissent on social media

    not just by hiring trolls to go post on social media, where they are paid to argue every point using a script and then are told to personally attack those who mock them

    but by actually kicking all dissent off the platform

    that is NOT a liberal stance.

  103. NYCmike says:

    “I would have assumed that most of the Trump fans here were under the impression that lisab will be voting as they do in 2020.”

    -Wrong assumption, once again, because you refuse to read or learn anything new, because you are are so full of TDS.

    She has repeatedly said she will not vote for him, except if his opponent is Warren.

  104. Phil says:

    I have no idea. Beyond your affection for open borders and identity politics I have no clue where you are coming from. Certainly the strangest Republican i’ve ever encountered.

  105. CG says:

    My understanding of the Founders intent was that the states can choose electors anyway they want.

    That is what some states are trying to do now. The Electoral College would still meet. They may be wrong to do so, and may of course be purely motivated by partisan politics, but it’s not clear it’s unconstitutional.

    The concept of one person one vote, nationally makes sense to me, but I think it would drastically change our entire system of elections in a way that people would not like. We are better off keeping the Electoral College and both parties would be wise to find candidates and strategies that can win the EC while also winning the popular vote and thus having a better mandate.

  106. CG says:

    In 2008, Obama lost Nebraska by 15 points statewide and still got to take 1 Electoral Vote.

    If the new proposals are “unfair” then I would think there would at least be some who also think what Maine and Nebraska do is wrong.

  107. CG says:

    I definitely have no affinity for “open borders” or “identity politics.”

    I believe in legal immigration which may differentiate me from many of today’s Republicans. I am about as opposed to “identity politics” if we have the same definition of it as anyone. I have always been in favor of a Melting Pot where racial/ethnic/religious differences take a backseat to all we have in common as Americans.

  108. CG says:

    Perhaps I do not read HHR as closely as some, but I genuinely do not remember anyone but Bitterlaw (or those of us who are called “trolls”) disagreeing with her anything in this Trump era on HHR.

    Now NYC, since she is almost certainly going to not vote for Trump, do you place as much blame on her if the Democrats as you do for me? Her state is going to be much closer theoretically and she has admitted she almost never votes Republican downballot, while I have 100 percent of the time in every election.

  109. Phil says:

    …and yet Obama carried one congressional district in Nebraska with a plurality of the vote – hence one electoral vote.

    That’s a far cry from a Republican carrying Colorado but getting zero Colorado electors. Hardly what the founding fathers envisioned.

  110. CG says:

    Is a Republican about to carry Colorado?

    Under the system though if adopted nationally (and no, I do not think it ever will) a Democrat can win California and get zero EV out of there.

    I actually realize that your thinking is that because of minorities a Republican, any Republican, will never win the popular vote again, in part, because you do not think minorities will ever vote Republican.

    You have the right to your opinion but I consider that defeatist and ridiculous.

    However, if your political end-times prophecies are correct, it won’t matter anyway in the long-run because Texas will go Democrat and so will a lot of other current “red states.”

    If Trump is the nominee in 2020, Texas is looking very iffy at the moment. If he loses it, everything else is moot. Blowout.

  111. CG says:

    Obviously, a Republican in Texas would fight tooth and nail against their state adopting the Nebraska/Maine approach and so would a Democrat in New York.

    I think it should be looked at as fair or unfair in a general sense, and unless all 50 states do it, it’s probably unfair. Republicans in Nebraska tried to get rid of it (it’s a kind of weird state with an officially non-partisan legislature) and failed to do so. Right now, Trump is going to be at risk of losing 1 EV out of Nebraska considering his weakness in urban areas.

  112. Phil says:

    Actually, my defense of the electoral college is based on the Constitution and the basic Founding Fathers concepts behind it – has nothing to do with how any of this effects the electoral outcome.

    You see, popular vote or electoral college the results in the future will be the same – one party left wing rule as far as the eye can see.

    I can do the math. It has nothing to do with the effect on which party wins. The results of the future will be the same regardless.

  113. Bitterlaw says:

    93 ?? I do not recall that exchange with lisab. Calling lisab a bitch? Possible but that is pretty rare. I am more likely to call her that over calling me fat (jolly is her code word) or when she uses her Google Law School degree to challenge me.

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil- If political results are so inevitable, why did the Federalist Party not run the country since 1789? Or the Whigs? Or Know Nothings? Or New Deal Democrats? Or any other party? Your fatalism is completely refuted by history.

  115. Phil says:

    It’s based on math, bitter.

    Numbers don’t lie.

    There is a reason The Democratic Party has turned no identity politics and has completely written off working class whites. They can count too.

  116. Bitterlaw says:

    I reject the idea that non-whites are beholden forever to any ideology.

  117. lisab says:

    my understanding is that you are not jolly anymore … you lost 20+ pounds

    he is referring to our disagreement over the time the jewish people were massacred … that was quickly swept under rug by the media … and you said you “stand with cg”

    and i did not and do not want to start a bunch of virtue signaling everytime there is a massacre somewhere …

    i have a lot of sympathy for the victims, but i don’t want to say that “i stand with the muslims in nz” or the “6000 christians massacred in nigeria”

    i have a blanket, “i am against political violence of any kind until you start to disenfranchise me, at which time i reserve the right to kill you if necessary to make you stop it”

    i don’t want to see 100 posts everyday saying, “i stand with ____”

  118. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil- Your “numbers” are based on the idea that race/ethnicity are destiny. It has never been true before and is not true now.

  119. lisab says:


    the dems are finding out that importing a bunch of religious muslims from war torn countries may not have been the wisest move

    non-extreme muslims pretty much identify with values mostly associated with 1950s republicans (and sometimes 1920s republicans).

    for example, no welfare state, no medicaid for all, no abortion, no social security …

    they are

  120. CG says:

    lisab says:
    October 27, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    #1381 are you going to write granny warren and tell her you stand with her cherokee people on the trail of tears too?

    perhaps stand with obama and all the black slaves there used to be?

    i suppose you stand with puppies too
    Bitterlaw says:
    October 27, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    lisab – my wife is Jewish. GFY, bitch.

  121. lisab says:

    i still don’t stand with puppies or warren or obama

  122. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Corey.

    lisab was being a bitch. Now that she bi I don’t want to fight with her too often. I want her to tell us stories about pillow fights that got out of hand.

  123. lisab says:

    the problem with a maine system is that it would benefit the dems greatly

    in the last election the gop would have gained 7 electoral votes in ca

    lost 2 in texas

    gained a few in illinois

    lost 26 in florida

    and lost likely one in every red state.

    the blue states are few in number, but very blue

    the red states are many in number but have blue districts around urban areas.

    so it would hurt the gop far more

    “the tyranny of the majority”

  124. lisab says:

    i’ve had pillowfights with roomates and friends in college 🙂

    things happen

    wine parties become lesbian tuesday …

    i do stand with lesbians

  125. lisab says:

    stand with … lie down with … lingerie parties

    things happen

  126. lisab says:

    not applicable any more but still one of my favorites

  127. Phil says:

    Blacks are going to turn into Republicans? Nope, Democrats will continue to play the race card each and every election like they do cycle after cycle. Works every time. Hispanics? Democrats will do the same. Against open borders? Proof you’re prejudice against brown people. Works for the Democrats beautifully and the MSM will spread that message for free 24/7 (and does).

    It’s a fact that minorities and clueless white millenials (both groups overwhelmingly vote Democratic) grow as a percentage of the electorate each cycle. Conservative voters who tend to be older whites and more Republican are declining as a percentage each cycle……hence, the math.

    Numbers my friend.

    As far as parties like the Federalists and Whigs? They were part of the two party system at one time. I believe history shows they are gone. History is absolutely NOT on the side of the Republican Party.

    We have another cycle or two at the most. Enjoy it while you can.

  128. CG says:

    If the Maine/Nebraska system were in place nationwide in 2016, Trump would have won by more. He won 230 Congressional districts. Hillary won 205.

  129. Tina says:

    F Muleheads numbers keep dropping

    50 percent say it’s a witch hunt.

    28 support the witch hunt,

    It’s dunny how quickly the numbers dropped for him when he arrested Stone in the over the top raid that he alerted cn and n to.

  130. Tina says:

    I heart open borders. More illegals please.


  131. CG says:

    Correction- Under the 2016 numbers, Hillary would have gained 16 electoral votes but still lost if every state had adopted the Maine/Nebraska system. (If Maine did not have it, Hillary would have gained 1)

    The calculation was that under such a system, she could have won the popular vote by 5 percent, instead of 2 percent, and still lost the EV.

    My personal view is either that all 50 states should do what Maine and Nebraska do or none of them should. However, I think it is Constitutional for states to do whatever they want in this regard and in regards to a “national compact” which would only take effect in these states when enough states to go over 270 approved it (which will never happen) would probably be Constitutional.

    If a Republican even wins the popular vote but loses in the EV, Republicans will want to get rid of the EC too.

  132. lisab says:

    don’t forget more wars

    a.) it makes more refugees

    b.) the spending is great

  133. lisab says:

    post the state by state numbers so we can check your math 🙂

    it will be fun

  134. Bitterlaw says:

    Blacks used to be overwhelmingly Republican, Phil, after the Ci I, War when they were allowed to vote. Doesn’t fit your numbers don’t lie theory.

  135. jason says:

    You can condense all of Corey’s drivel into one sentence.

    He thinks socialism is better than Trump. This despite the fact Trump has done more to try to at least postpone the nanny state than any R President since Reagan.

    What else do you need to say, at least he is being honest.

  136. jason says:

    For the record, I think the Nebraska and Maine system is wrong too.

    I think if you win the state, you get all the EVs.

  137. jason says:

    “I would have been the most partisan Republican you have ever met. ”

    this is true

    i have never met a republican trying to elect the dem’s candidate as much as you”


  138. Phil says:

    “Used to” bitter. Used to.

    Unless you can come up with some momentous event that you believe will cause blacks to turn again you will not see any change in their voting patterns. Democrats will continue to play the race card and it works every time. Republicans will get their usual ten percent or less that they’ve gotten since 1964. That’s over fifty years and it isn’t changing in 2020, 2024, 2028…etc etc

    I like you, bitter so please don’t hold your breath.

  139. lisab says:

    the daily kos numbers in #134 are interesting, i assume they are accurate

    hillary would have gained 16 evs in 2016

    the concerning thing would be for republicans against a more polished dem like bill clinton — especially with the open borders we have

    there are about 160 evs under the maine system which would be in play … 105 or so gop

    so the dems would gain far more than 16

    so beware a beto bearing gifts, because a populist dem would sweep

  140. Tina says:

    F Mulehead and B, Weissman must be reeling.

    Tito was taken out.

    Larry Schweikart
    Poll: Half of Americans say Trump is victim of a ‘witch hunt’ as trust in Mueller erodes (link:…

  141. Tina says:

    Can we have another national emergency for Krapistan?

    I mean gop e will not claim that it is unconstitutional.

    See how stupid gop-e look and sound?

    Maybe Flub can chime in?

  142. Tgca says:

    10 Jadon

    Fake breakfast! I don’t eat that chit!

  143. Phil says:

    Speaking of Beto. He came out in favor of being ok with third term abortion today. Said he trusts the woman to decide in any event. He didn’t qualify his answer with qualifiers like health of the mother. Just if the woman wants it okey dokey.

  144. Proud Obamacon says:

    I’m glad that the Republican party will soon be extinct. There is no room in this great country for white supremacists.


  145. Bitterlaw says:

    I like you, too, Phil. Your idea that Black voters are easily bribed zombies incapable of independent intellectual thought demeans them and you. You are better than that.

  146. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Blacks and Latinos are going to vote for the party of White Supremacy? Love coming here for the comedy show!


  147. lisab says:

    anyone heard from walt lately?

  148. Phil says:

    Well, bitter, I haven’t seen any evidence in the last fifty plus years that they’ve been anything BUT zombies when it comes to their voting behavior. Nobody can name a presidential election during that time that they’ve been anything but the zombies you describe. You were citing history earlier. I’m just doing the same. Proof is in the pudding.

  149. jason says:

    The drive-by Marxist brainwashed moron, still pining for the old Soviet Union, has arrived to extol the virtues of his communist paradise in Venezuela, where people are eating out of garbage trucks, assuming there is still food in the garbage.

  150. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a breakdown of the politics of California’s Asian and Latino community.
    California Registration: 50% of Asians are registered as Democrats; 60% of the Latinos are Democrats. When asked to indicate their political leanings: Latinos: 36% liberal; 31% middle of the road; 33% conservative. Among Anglos, 37% classify themselves as conservative, and 37% liberal.

    A rising Republican who may be a future leader of the Republican Party in San Diego County is Chris Rodriquez. He sits on the Oceanside city council, but he is being heavily recruited to run for congress.

  151. Phil says:

    Sounds like a really good candidate, SD.

  152. Bitterlaw says:

    You think history is fixed in place forever. I don’t, Phil.

  153. Phil says:

    No, bitter. I just believe something when I actually see it.

  154. Phil says:

    AOC says her popularity numbers are now well underwater because of sexism and racism.

    That, of course, is what obviously has to be the reason.

  155. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    152. Rodriquez is being coy now because he is newly elected as a city council member, but he is really being encouraged to run against Levin in 2020.

    One of the few benefits of the election in 2018 was that Republicans can now start running younger candidates, with more diverse backgrounds, for congressional seats. The recent Republican win the the Orange County supervisor race was heartening.

  156. NYCmike says:


    I think you need to take into account the different policies which are now in place, versus the policies which used to be in place when those first waves of immigrants came over from wherever back in the 1800’s and early 1900’s.

    There is much more of a safety net available, and many more politicians have realized that vote buying is much easier than good policy. The 1960’s changed this country in many ways, and we are still fighting those battles for the core of this country.

    Do we want even more social programs run by a more coercive federal government, or will we give Trump and the Republican Party 4 more years to claw back some semblance of a balance?

    …….check out this thread alone, where you have a “lifelong conservative Republican” saying that electing a socialist would be better for the country. “CG” may not have the same reasoning as a Democrat, but the same result will come from their thinking.

  157. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC/Phil – You do realize that every single generation since God created the heavens, the Earth, and Walt said its issues and problems are totally different than those faced in the past, right? Your way of thinking is a lazy way out. Why try to craft a winning message when those greedy people who look different than you are incapable of independent thought? Pretty ironic that you are as dismissive of minorities as Democrats.

  158. lisab says:

    as howie carr says,

    i don’t want special treatment

    just treat me like any other illegal immigrant

  159. NYCmike says:

    “Your way of thinking is a lazy way out.”

    -Whose way of thinking?

    I am speaking about immigrants. As a whole.

    You are the only one mentioning “people who look different”.

    What “look” are you speaking about?

    Because I don’t have one particular “look” in mind.

  160. Phil says:

    I’m not being dismissive of minorities. I’m simply saying they have voted Overwhelmingly Democratic over the last 50 years and there is no evidence that won’t continue in the future. I don’t know where you get the “dismissive” part. If you have some reason to think anything is going to change in 2020 or 2024 Then spill it. I would love to hear it. My guess is you’ve got nothing to indicate that.

    Democrats will continue to fan the racial flames every election cycle and minorities will continue to respond by voting the same way they always do at the polls – because it always works. The beat goes on – like clockwork.

  161. Tgca says:

    151 SDC

    Rodriguez will go down in flames as soon as his popularity rises and Dems feel threatened and 3 women will come and claim he winked at them in grammar school.

  162. lisab says:

    Verified account

    Follow Follow @LizMair
    Guys, I’m declining comment on this for now but DEVIN NUNES IS SUING ME. If you’d like to contribute to cover my legal expenses please donate here:

  163. Walt says:


    I have been lurking here at times.
    Jut got back from taking a cold shower to cool me down…after reading about your college days, pillow fights with other girls and “things happening”.

    My vivid imagination is a curse.
    You flooding there in Minnysoda?

  164. Cash Cow TM says:

    lisab says:

    “my understanding is that you are not jolly anymore … you lost 20+ pounds”

    Walt says when he met face to face with Mr. Bitter, Bitter was in no way fat or overweight.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  165. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    157. Am assuming it is likely that a substantial number of posters on this board are descendants of immigrants, such as Irish or Italians, whose ancestors arrived in the early 20th century. At the time the immigrant ancestors came over, they were looked upon as a horde that was powering corrupt, Democratic machines in urban areas.

  166. Walt says:

    I stand with an apportioned Electoral College system.

    Winner of each specific CD gets that CD’s ECV and the statewide winner gets two extra votes.

  167. lisab says:

    nah … we are hunkering down … just me and the other school teachers

    we are but eight score young blondes, brunettes and red heads, all between twenty-one and twenty-nine-and-a-half, cut off in this private academy for wayward girls, with no one to protect us.

    oooh, it is a lonely life: bathing, dressing, undressing, … knitting exciting underwear.

  168. Cash Cow TM says:

    WHAT DO YOU THINK OF A PASTOR who will not even give a PHONE CALL to church members who are homebound or otherwise unable to attend regularly?


    *(shaking my cow head)

  169. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt just got OUT of the shower and now he heading off to get IN the shower AGAIN?

  170. lisab says:

    try lighting your grail shaped beacon … maybe he will visit

  171. Cash Cow TM says:

    “we are but eight score young blondes, brunettes and red heads, all between twenty-one and twenty-nine-and-a-half, cut off in this private academy for wayward girls, with no one to protect us.”
    Walt said he thinks he saw that flick…

  172. lisab says:

    it is from monty python and the holy grail

    starting at about 3:00

  173. Cash Cow TM says:

    It is a SHE pastor…
    For some reason, you cannot get pastors these days to go visit the sick and shut-in church members (r even phone them) even when you use cattle prod.

    Must be too much to expect of a pastor these days.

  174. lisab says:

    isn’t that their job?

    apart from sunday sermons i mean.

  175. lisab says:

    you could not make this up

    andrew yang wants to make a ministry of truth …

    “Yang has proposed the creation of a “news and information ombudsman,” a kind of imperial fact-checker who would award media liars heavy fines instead of pinocchios.”

    1984 was supposed to be a warning not a blueprint

  176. Cash Cow TM says:

    “isn’t that their job?”

    Most sensible and rational people believe that to be the case.

    Walt has proposed that the church can the pastor and just pay $500 each week to a guest speaker to come and give the sermon. Would only cost $26,000 per year.

    It would be much cheaper than paying $130,000 to a “full time pastor” in salary, insurance, benefits, housing allowance, car expenses, paying to send them off to conferences, etc. The church would then have an extra $100,000 for other needs to help the community…

  177. lisab says:

    you pay your pastor $130,000 a year?!

    my dear brother walt,

    while i admire your decisive nature,

    have you considered that a flock needs a full-time shepherdess? maybe one with a slight coffee addiction?

    seek and ye shall find … in the north …

  178. lisab says:

    for $130,000 i will lay hands on the sick … and anoint people …

    will they be upset if i am catholic? maybe we could arrange a free agency trade?

  179. lisab says:

    lisab for $130,000 and a few late round draft picks?

  180. lisab says:

    as a special ed teacher i make less than half that!

    and i have to take care of very sick children on a daily basis

    i am so in the wrong profession

  181. lisab says:

    Kellyanne husband suggests Trump has narcissistic personality disorder…

    Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance

    well … he is the president and a billionaire with a fashion model wife half his age …

    not really sure that he has exaggerated feelings of self-worth

    more like, spot on feelings of self-worth

  182. Cash Cow TM says:

    lisab, I would bet the ranch you work much harder than Walt’s pastor.

    I think the total compensation package for the pastor is actually like $140K. The Conference high mucky mucks have decreed that a Methodist pastor gets $20,000/yr. housing allowance.

  183. Tgca says:

    Dearest Jadon:

    I could not help myself and loaded up on carbs for breakfast. One egg with melted Jarlsberg cheese. There must be at least 1 carb in there.

  184. dblaikie says:

    Pastor’s salaries are tricky things.

    If you want to reform or do away with the electoral college, than you are guaranteeing the demise of the two party system. You see the ec gaurantes two party rule by requiring that the winner obtain a majority of the votes needed and not just a minority. So even though Bill Clinton got only 43% of the popular vote, he could still claim a majority through the ec.

    If you changed that and all you needed was a plurality of the vote then you would see an explosion of different parties. You would have the socialist party, the pro life party, the conservation party, the social democratic party and others all striving for a plurality of the vote. The result of that would make a total mess of the Congress. In short to due away with the Electoral College would be to create a Parliamentary System of Government. If you do away with the EC I hope you will like the word — Coalition Government.

  185. jason says:

    Does HHR’s rule regarding the immunity from criticism because he was a war hero back in the day extend to his daughter, or can she be criticized for anything?”

    So what exactly is your criticism of her? That she defends her father?

  186. jason says:

    One egg with melted Jarlsberg cheese”


    Admit you had a smoothy made of chocolate covered cherries, blueberries, strawberries, marshmallows, maple syrup and chocolate milk.

  187. jason says:

    Yes, Trump does have delusions of grandeur.

    He thinks he is President, lives in the WH, flies on Air Force One, owns skyscrapers, casinos, hotels, golf courses and is married to a beautiful ex-model.

  188. jason says:

    Pete Buttigieg is going to be the Dem nominee.

    You read it here first.

    I wanted to buy some shares at Predictit, but others are on to him too since he should be at 1 cent, not 7 cents.

  189. Wes says:

    Walt, while I’m opposed to dismantling the EC, there is a way to get rid of it and maintain a majority requirement:

    Require a runoff.

  190. jason says:

    Does Cash Cow give milk when the collection plate comes around?

  191. dblaikie says:

    Good point Wes. However a runoff would produce its own kind of mess. In addition a nationwide recount would be a colossal mess, with a national vote.

  192. lisab says:

    we are talking $140,000 american dollars right?!

    not west virginian dollars?

    for that price i’ll minister to the sick AND give them some carbon credits to offset their coal mining …

    buy lisab’s carbon credits, you can trust me, i’m not like those other guys.

  193. jason says:

    “i’m not like those other guys”

    Who knows these days?

  194. jason says:

    The EC has worked well for centuries, so I would just keep it as it is.

  195. jason says:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Supreme Court on Tuesday endorsed the U.S. government’s authority to detain immigrants awaiting deportation anytime – potentially even years – after they have completed prison terms for criminal convictions, handing President Donald Trump a victory as he pursues hardline immigration policies.”

  196. DW says:

    It’s that time of year when fools will actually spend hard-earned money or their welfare checks on website pages that claim to have ‘insider’ or ‘expert’ or ‘computer model’ data that reveals who will win each of the 63 games that make up the NCAA Basketball tournament.

    Nobody knows what will happen. That’s why they play the games.

  197. jason says:

    DW is full of it.

    Everyone knows my bracket will win.

  198. jason says:

    I can’t let on what’s in my bracket lest anyone copy it but I will let you know if I had all the right picks after the tournament.

  199. Bitterlaw says:


  200. NYCmike says:


    to help out the lawyer

  201. Bitterlaw says:

    Remember when the Wizard had a March Madness Bracket set up. That was when he loved us.

  202. NYCmike says:

    Germany rumored to be ready to renege on more military spending…….gotta love those NATO allies, isn’t that correct, jason?

    Turkey, Germany, with friends like these…….

  203. NYCmike says:

    -I’ll help them run away faster…..from the Democrats.

    “CG”, how about you?

    Will you continue to bash our President at every opportunity, while not saying a darn thing about the alternative being campaigned on?

    Or will you stick with your “I live in Illinois” security blanket?

  204. Phil says:


    ‘’You won’t get anything from us but criticisms and the back of our hand, but use your national treasure to defend us”

    Screw them.

  205. NYCmike says:

    -If true, WOW!

    And honestly, can’t really disagree with it.

    If Harper and Machado are valued at $300million, this makes sense in that crazy world.

  206. NYCmike says:

    On Drudge:

    “HAPPY ENDING: Prosecutors Offer to Drop Charges Against PATRIOTS Owner Bob Kraft…


  207. NYCmike says:

    -Founding Fathers were great men in their communities….then became the leaders of their nation.

    Now, Paul Ryan shows how it is done!

  208. Phil says:

    He’s already answered that question, Mike. He said it all yesterday when he said he preferred socialism over Trump. After that one there’s nothing left to say. Tells you everything you need to know about where he’s coming from.

  209. CG says:

    I speak about the dangers on both sides and will act accordingly.

  210. Phil says:

    Good to know which you’d prefer.

    Your moment of candor was appreciated, however.

  211. NYCmike says:


    Yes, I know.

    I just wanted to make sure, I wasn’t sure if Tuesdae ended with a “y” or an “e”… sundae……..sorry, been hitting the local Carvel a bit since we had a couple of warm days up here!

  212. CG says:

    I consider Trump a threat and an affront to all I believe in. I still have no intention of voting for a Democrat. My obligation is to my own conscience.

    Some others in your lives may feel the same way. I suppose they will have to be shunned.

  213. NYCmike says:

    -Houston Public Library…..since Trump was with porn stars, this could happen under a politician who is a Trump-lover or under a Democrat. Not much of a difference.

    Isn’t that correct?

  214. CG says:

    NYC’s moment of candor was that Trump needs to be ignored 90-99% of the time.

    That says everything. There is almost literally nothing that Trump can ever do or say that he will not find an excuse for.

  215. NYCmike says:

    “I suppose they will have to be shunned.”


    You mean ridiculed.

  216. CG says:

    Now, NYC is worried about “drag queens” when his other hero Rudy Giuliani, frequently dressed as a drag queen and made a video with Donald Trump in which he was felt up against his will.

  217. NYCmike says:

    “NYC’s moment of candor was that Trump needs to be ignored 90-99% of the time.”

    -Another half-truth, just like lisab said you do yesterday.

    Whom did my 90-99% statement refer to?

    Please go back and check.

  218. NYCmike says:

    #218 – there is truth in there somewhere…..mixed in with other garbage.

    Again, just as lisab said yesterday, half-truths all around!

  219. CG says:

    You said 90-99% of the things he said should be ignored. That more than proves my point about your unquestioned cult-like loyalty to him.

    Somebody in the end stages of Alzheimer’s shouldn’t have 90-99% of the things they say ignored.

    However, this is the standard you want for the President of the United States.

  220. NYCmike says:


    As I pointed out yesterday, that rule applies to ALL politicians.

    NYCmike says:
    March 18, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    ““Ignore 90-99% of what he says””

    -Same rule for ALL politicians.

    ACTIONS speak louder than words.

    I recall being ridiculed by MD (and maybe jason) over 6 years ago for saying this.

  221. NYCmike says:

    “However, this is the standard you want for the President of the United States.”

    -For the most part, YES.

    Stay the F*CK out of our lives, except for those items spelled out in the Constitution.

    Pretty simple standard.

    Did you ever hear of it in your “lifelong” work as a “Republican”?

    The idea of limited government?

    Ring a bell?

  222. CG says:

    It shouldn’t apply to all politicians and you never would have applied it to all politicians before.

    If someone called you out on it, you deserved it.

    For example, Jeb Bush had about the most consequential eight years of conservative governance and accomplishment in modern times in any state, something even his critics acknowledge, but you were obsessed with things he “said” such as “act of love.”

    You don’t believe actions speak louder than words, but Trump’s actions more than make him unacceptable.

  223. CG says:

    I believe, as I always have, regardless of which person or party has been in office, that character matters above all else.

    Others used to believe it or claimed they did and now have changed their minds (at least when talking to Trump critics) in order to rationalize all the daily abnormalities and disgraces.

    If one literally should disregard 90-99 percent of what Trump says, how else will we know what he will do? He could become a socialist himself (he certainly endorsed their views not all that long ago) and NYC will find a way to justify it.

  224. NYCmike says:

    “but you were obsessed with things he “said” such as “act of love.””

    -No, that would have been jason, and at the same time, jason would also have contrasted JEB!2016 saying these things which belittled conservatives, instead of proudly standing up for his record as Governor, which is why I didn’t disagree with jason.

    JEB!2016 was WEAK.

    His past actions as Governor, if he really wanted the Presidency, should have been front and center of his campaign.

    They weren’t.

    And please, don’t mention what his website said.

    NOBODY looks at peoples websites!

  225. NYCmike says:

    “If one literally should disregard 90-99 percent of what Trump says, how else will we know what he will do?”

    -Leap of faith, same as when I voted for George H W and George W.

    That got me the breaking of the “No new taxes!” pledge, and NCLB after Ted Kennedy watched movies with him.

  226. CG says:

    Jeb Bush never belittled conservatives or did not claim to be one (as Trump has) but yes, you and jason both took the same tact, in which while conceding that there was nothing to criticize in his actions or accomplishments as Governor, you expressed great concern about how you interpreted things he said.

  227. NYCmike says:

    As for Trump, 2 years of actions speak much louder than any words said on a campaign trail, or in press conferences.

    Could he become a socialist? YES.

    Again, as stated since before 2016 started, that is where either chamber of Congress would come in, IF controlled by Republicans.

    Civics 101? Anyone?

  228. CG says:

    GWB ran from Day 1 in favor of what would become NCLB. It was in every speech he gave.

    Yes, Bush 41 broke his promise on taxes. Does that mean that 90-99% of the things he said should have been ignored? Of course not. Plus, didn’t you say you voted for Perot?

  229. NYCmike says:

    “you expressed great concern about how you interpreted things he said.”

    -I compared him to his brother and his father, and saw where he placed more value – in bipartisanship.

    He learned NOTHING from them.

    He would have been eaten alive, and this nation would have had a Madame President to show for it.

  230. CG says:

    Trump’s two years of action show virtually nothing. All you can claim is that Mitch McConnell kept Senate Republicans together to confirm to SCOTUS members. That’s fine.

    But there is no “wall”, no Obamacare repeal, we are still in Afghanistan and Syria (wisely), because he apparently gets overruled by his own people.

    What exactly has he done that has improved people’s lives that he is personally responsible for?

    Most people believe the economy is doing pretty well at the moment, but is that because of a President or because of the private sector and the innovation and drive of the American people?

    I know that when Clinton and Obama were President and wanted to claim credit for economic successes, we placed emphasis on the private sector and actual job creators for growth.

    Now, you want to thank a centralized government as if this were North Korea.

    From my perspective is that once in a while Trump speaks from a teleprompter and says some of the right things, but you claim I should ignore 90-99 percent of them. His actual actions I have found to be very lacking.

  231. Phil says:

    The “act of love” comment might have been the most revealing thing Jeb could have said about what he really actually believed regarding border security. From that point on there was no question among anyone as to where Jeb stood on the issue of borders. Another moment of candor that absolutely indicated where he’d be as POTUS. I cringe every time that quote is brought up. Glad he said what he said, however.

  232. CG says:

    You are completely contradicting your “actions speak louder than words” mandate, because you would not be able to name one thing Jeb Bush did as Governor that you disapproved of.

    Maybe you will go Tina’s route and blame him for 9/11.

  233. CG says:

    Every other Republican, including Trump at times, have said things very similar to “act of love.”

  234. NYCmike says:

    “Now, you want to thank a centralized government as if this were North Korea.”

    -Did you really write such nonsense?

    I applaud Trump for looking at the federal government the same way Reagan did, as way too big.

    AND, his cabinet has carried out Trump’s instructions to get rid of onerous rules and regulations as much as possible. he is trying to lessen the reach of the centralized government.

    Are you denying that?

  235. CG says:

    Trump wants to expand the federal government. Protectionist tariffs, etc. Paid family leave. Do you support that or not? If it were a Democrat proposing exactly what Trump has, you would call it socialist.

    He also wants to expand the powers of the Presidency well above and beyond what is in the Constitution. You apparently have no problem with that.

    Do you think he is right to want the federal government to investigate Saturday Night Live or is that just the 90-99% of things that all politicians say?

  236. NYCmike says:

    “You are completely contradicting your “actions speak louder than words” mandate, because you would not be able to name one thing Jeb Bush did as Governor that you disapproved of.”

    -Oh Lord.

    YUP, everybody knows that JEB!2016 would have governed like William F Buckley, Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams, etc……he was just so conservative!///

    You should go into stand up!

  237. CG says:

    I see no specific examples of actual *actions* taken by Trump himself that could only be taken by Trump himself to improve the economy or to weaken unfair regulations.

    Please provide several links. It should be easy to do.

    Beyond that though, I believe that even those accomplishments or efforts fail in comparison to everything else he stands for and advocates. Again, I think character matters above all else. Either you see it or you don’t. Nobody here even bothers to claim anymore that Donald Trump is a decent person. Speaks volumes.

  238. CG says:

    Did you vote for Perot? If so, do you regret it?

  239. CG says:

    NYC, is paid family federal leave good for America’s economy?

    Is it good for the business your father built?

  240. CG says:

    NYC, is confiscating property from homeowners, farmers, and ranchers, via Eminent Domain on the Southern Border to build a “Wall” in places that the Border Patrol says would be unwise to build there good for the American economy?

    What would you say to those homeowners, farmers, and ranchers?

    Please be specific.

  241. NYCmike says:

    “I see no specific examples of actual *actions* taken by Trump himself that could only be taken by Trump himself to improve the economy or to weaken unfair regulations.”

    -Ok, if we were to take this as correct, that means that the policies put in place by Obama are still in place.

    I will then vote for Trump anyway, because the Democrats are promising to change the policies now in place. I don’t care if they are Trump’s or Obama’s, I don’t want them changed. I want more of the same. Trump will continue the policies now in place, and the economy is responding in a good way. ALL of the Democrats are threatening to change the policies now in effect.

  242. CG says:

    NYC, the last time I asked you this you begged off and said you needed time to “study”, so assuming you have studied, do you now agree with Trump that legal immigration should be allowed into America “at the highest levels ever” in spite of your past support for legislation which would have cut illegal immigration in half.

    Were you wrong then or is Trump wrong now? How have you reached that conclusion?

  243. CG says:

    So, I take it you are unable to provide a single specific example of Trump cutting something that was bad that Obama had in place?

    So, if Trump says he did these things, how do we know he actually did them? You yourself said ignore him up to 99 percent of the time.

    Maybe he really didn’t actually do it.

  244. CG says:

    If actions speak louder than words, beyond Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, where are the “actions?”

    You are taking his word that he has produced action after claiming you ignore him up to 99% of the time. It can’t be both.

  245. NYCmike says:


    Paid family federal leave. Eminent domain.

    You are asking about things that didn’t happen yet.


    And to answer, will a Republican Senate bring a paid family leave up for a vote? I would hope not.

    As for eminent domain, that power is in our Constitution for specific reasons. If applied correctly, I do not have a problem with it.

  246. NYCmike says:

    Back to immigration……you have never given your top number.

    I am fine with half as much.

    I am fine with the same.

    I am fine with double.

    Over that, I am not comfortable.

    In all of those instances, there needs to be certain requirements, and also some “rights” need to be taken back. No more automatic chain migration, no more unlimited benefits, no more lottery system.

  247. CG says:

    So, even though Trump says he wants to do those things, you claim he really doesn’t want to do them and if they somehow get done, then it’s not his fault anyway. You really are all twisted up with this “Trump can do no wrong” mindset. This has to be embarrassing for you.

    So we should ignore 90-99 percent of things he said, including his main policy proposals, because he probably doesn’t even mean them, according to you, but you are 100 percent willing to take him at his word that there was no Russian collusion and he never touched a woman against her will.


  248. NYCmike says:

    “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. ”


    You have an issue with this?

    I’ll go with the balanced approach settled on in the Constitution, as opposed to your feelings affected by a President Trump.

  249. CG says:

    Is Trump applying the power of eminent domain correctly to use a “national emergency” to take privately held land for federal government purposes that the Border Patrol specifically says would be a bad idea?

    Again, with you, if Trump wants it, it’s ok, and even if it might not be a good idea, it’s someone else’s fault.

  250. CG says:

    Since I have given you now two chances to correct my memory if I was incorrect that you voted for Perot in ’92, apparently you did, and apparently you don’t regret it.

  251. NYCmike says:

    “So we should ignore 90-99 percent of things he said, including his main policy proposals, because he probably doesn’t even mean them, according to you, but you are 100 percent willing to take him at his word that there was no Russian collusion and he never touched a woman against her will.”

    -Main policy proposals? YES, I will ignore them.

    Just the same way I said Congress should have ignored Trump speaking about “mean words” and rammed thru an Obamacare repeal. Trump should have been made to either sign or veto that bill.

    You really don’t understand the basic roles of the Legislative and the Executive Branch.

  252. CG says:

    “I am fine with half as much.

    I am fine with the same.

    I am fine with double.”

    This says it all with you. You have no actual thoughts of your own instead to think “whatever Trump wants.”

    If it works out in a good way, you hail Trump for it. If it turns out to be bad, you say it was someone else’s fault.

    You say Congress should stand up to Trump to prevent bad things, but then he goes and vetoes what Congress did and declares a “national emergency” and you say “how dare Congress stand in his way.”

  253. CG says:

    So, now you have had another moment of candor and admitted you will ignore Trump’s main policy proposals or basically anything he says and just support him blindly regardless.

    Thank you for your honesty, but it’s a very odd approach for you to have the chutzpah to criticize anyone else on anything.

    You have determined that your view of the world and all in it is dependent on Donald Trump guiding you every step of the way.

    He needs to invite you to an Oval Office event.

  254. NYCmike says:

    “You say Congress should stand up to Trump to prevent bad things, but then he goes and vetoes what Congress did and declares a “national emergency” and you say “how dare Congress stand in his way.””

    -That is you saying something, not me.

    Your interpretations are all mixed up.


    In regard to the national emergency, I relied upon the statements put out by Cruz and Grassley. I believe their approach is correct.

    And Trump has said he would go along with Mike Lee’s legislation in regard to the law on the books.

    Do you believe Trump on that statement?

    I ignore it for now, because I don’t think it will reach his desk, so why pay attention to it.

    You see how that works?

    In my belief, the legislature has certain powers, and the Executive has others.

    Civics 101.

  255. NYCmike says:

    “CG” statement: “You have determined that your view of the world and all in it is dependent on Donald Trump guiding you every step of the way.”

    Me, and this is something I wrote last week as well:

    “In regard to the national emergency, I relied upon the statements put out by Cruz and Grassley. I believe their approach is correct.

    And Trump has said he would go along with Mike Lee’s legislation in regard to the law on the books.”

  256. Phil says:

    The use of eminent domain for national security wouldn’t seem to me to be much of an issue.

    As far as actions beyond the many conservative judges the President has appointed I would rattle off tax cuts, withdrawal from the treasonous Iran deal as well as withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accords. None of which would have happened under any Democrat or Jeb Bush for that matter. Cutting regulation would be another “action” I would point to. Those are far from insignificant.

  257. CG says:

    You have never agreed with any Member of Congress casting a vote against a Trump backed position…

    If I am wrong, please provide a specific example.

    But at the same time you say, “well, it’s Congress’s fault for not stopping him.”

    The point is you don’t want them to stop him. Claiming that you think they should is just the height of dishonesty.

  258. NYCmike says:


    You need to try to understand more, without thinking about Trump.

    Cruz, Grassley, Lee – I agree with them.

    Trump also agrees with their final resolution.

    Cruz and Grassley disagree with Lee on how to get there.

    Where do you fall?

  259. CG says:

    And if you have no regrets about voting for Ross Perot in 1992, even though a liberal Democrat became President, why should I have a single regret over whatever may happen if I vote for some third party figure in 2020?

  260. CG says:

    You are citing Cruz because he voted with Trump. If he voted the other way, you would cite someone else.

    You were all for Cotton and Perdue on immigration when they wanted to cut it. Now, Trump said that he wants more immigration than ever before, and even though you say you ignore up to 99% of what Trump says, you defend Trump for saying it and wanting it. The hell with Cotton and Perdue now, right?

  261. NYCmike says:

    Did I say I voted for Perot in 1992?

    Not so sure about that.

    I thought I said my wife voted for Perot.

    After Perot dropped out mid-summer, I can’t see myself supporting him against Bush come Election Day.

  262. CG says:

    For the record, I agree with Romney, Rubio, and the other Republicans on the matter who voted against Trump’s unconstitutional and wasteful idea that he knows is destined to fail in the Courts anyway.

  263. CG says:

    Did you vote for Perot or not? I thought I remember you saying a while back you did but I wanted to be certain.

    I asked you three times in the past half hour and you skipped over it. Now, you are giving a Clintonian response.

    Whom did you vote for in November 1992? You seem uncertain.

  264. Chicon says:


  265. NYCmike says:

    I am citing Cruz and Grassley, because I agree with their approach to this issue.

    In regard to Cotton Perdue, the numbers, as stated many times before, are NOT the important thing. It is the other issues which I want the Democrats to agree upon.

    You really don’t get it.

  266. CG says:

    And again, do you believe Paid Family Federal Leave is good for the economy or bad?

    Is it good for the business that your family started or not?

    If a Republican Member of Congress votes against Trump’s paid family federal leave proposal, will they be right to do so or wrong to do so?

    If Trump says they should be defeated in a primary because of the vote, will Trump be wrong?

  267. NYCmike says:

    “Whom did you vote for in November 1992? You seem uncertain.”

    -Now I am uncertain, because YOU said I said I voted for Perot.

    I know I definitely thought about it, but thought I voted for Bush at the end of the day, because Perot blew his chance to win once he dropped out mid-summer.

  268. Chicon says:

    Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.’ …

  269. NYCmike says:

    “And again, do you believe Paid Family Federal Leave is good for the economy or bad?

    Is it good for the business that your family started or not?

    If a Republican Member of Congress votes against Trump’s paid family federal leave proposal, will they be right to do so or wrong to do so?

    If Trump says they should be defeated in a primary because of the vote, will Trump be wrong?”

    1) I believe it is bad for the economy as a whole, from the federal level.

    2) Not sure. Quite possibly Short-term bad, long-term good.

    3) Again, I believe they should vote NAY on a federal level.

    4) Yes.

  270. NYCmike says:

    Number 1 2 and 3 are valid questions.

    Number 4 is a TDS question.

  271. CG says:

    If you are uncertain of something that happened when you were approx. 22 years old, you are uncertain. I wouldn’t be, but I realize not everyone remembers whom they voted for.

    However, if you think it is possible you might have voted for Perot and have no issue with having done so, you are clearly being a hypocrite as it relates to those who are likely to vote third party in 2020.

  272. CG says:

    Looking at Trump’s paid federal leave proposal, how can one claim he is such a great “fighter of socialism” when this is something he wants to impose on America?

  273. CG says:

    And how does a “fighter of socialism” or as jadon puts it “delayer of the nanny state” escape criticism for claiming that North Korea will be an economic powerhouse, if they get rid of weapons, even as they keep overwhelming authoritarian Communism in place? How does one square that circle?

    Nobody attempted to address that except NYC who says that everyone knows to ignore up to 99% of the things Trump says and that he doesn’t really mean any of it.

    So, if we all should know that, I assume it is likely that Kim Jong Un and his people are just going to ignore it anyway.

    And that is the whole problem with Trump being played as a fool on the world stage in regards to North Korea.

    Yes, we already know other Administrations failed to accomplish a better result, but is the answer really to rely on a guy whom even his biggest supporters concedes is lying up to 99% of the time?

  274. CG says:

    Trump today said, “I was never fan of John McCain and never will be.”

    1. Does he mean it as part of the 1% he shouldn’t be ignored or is this an example of him lying about something just to piss off a dead guy for some reason?

    2. Should Trump at least have been a fan when John McCain, a recognizable name back then, when it was known he was being help captive by the Vietnamese, was being held and tortured and then when he was released when he came home, or as Trump has stated before, he just has no use for people who get captured?

  275. CG says:

    Literally, what could be more “nanny state” that the federal government mandating that taxpayers pay for people to receive money for staying home with their new babies?

    I mean, staying home with new babies is wonderful and should happen, but should the federal government be taking money from others to give to them for having babies?

    Is Trump “delaying” the “Nanny State” or accelerating it?

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey should relax. There is no such thing as “Trumpism.” Trump only believes in Trump. There is no consistent ideology there.

  277. CG says:

    Of course, a paid FMLA extends beyond new births or adoptions.

    People have very good reasons from time to time to need to take off work to care for family members, and I would hope their employers would be good enough business people to accommodate that, but why should taxpayers be responsible for this? What if a small company simply cannot afford to pay for an employee to be absent for months, even as they hold their job open?

  278. CG says:

    Trump believes in only Trump but others believe him too and for different reasons, some valid, some invalid. Trump has been very effective in mobilizing supporters. You cannot take that away from him.

    The guy who shot all those people in NZ was quite open in saying what he viewed Trump as representing.

  279. NYCmike says:

    “However, if you think it is possible you might have voted for Perot and have no issue with having done so, you are clearly being a hypocrite as it relates to those who are likely to vote third party in 2020.”


    How to you make this jump? Perot actually had a chance to win, if the polls were to be believed back in early-mid-1992.

    AND, looking at the polls at the end, NO, there is no way I voted for Perot. I voted for Bush, as he was the only option capable of winning.

  280. NYCmike says:

    “Looking at Trump’s paid federal leave proposal, how can one claim he is such a great “fighter of socialism” when this is something he wants to impose on America?”

    -Who said Trump “is such a great “fighter of socialism””?

    Well, other than “CG”?

  281. GF says:

    27- Wes, at the time, the CA SoS was a Republican, former State Senator Bruce McPhereson of Santa Cruz (let THAT sink in for a moment; he was a very popular sheriff, I believe). Arnold appointed him when the Democrat incumbent, former Assemblyman Kevin Shelley of San Francisco, resigned in disgrace form some scandal (don’t recall what). Had Shelley remained in office, I could see a situation where he would have been under pressure by his fellow Dems to screw GWB in any way possible. back then, CA was light to medium Blue, and GWB lost the state by about 9.5%, much better than the blowouts that began in 2008.

    Sadly, McPhereson was unseated in the 2006 wave by a dingbat from Long Beach (Debra Bowen). She did nothing for two terms and left office having failed in her attempt to get into Congress like John Garamendi did after an uninspiring half term as Lt. Governor

  282. Chicon says:

    The “D” in TDS stands for derangement. When someone who has been a Republican for many years so dislikes the party’s candidate for President that he says the country would be better off with a socialist, we have reached derangement.

  283. CG says:

    Perot had no chance to win in the fall of 1992. You ought to remember that at least. He was solely a spoiler on Election Day. He was not expected to win a single Electoral Vote and did not. He came in a distant second in two states.

    If voting for him was you exercising your conscience , that’s fine. Many right-leaning people voted for him. You completely fit the profile of a Perot voter. But it also makes you a hypocrite now.

  284. CG says:

    I have been told that I must vote for Trump in order to fight and defeat socialism.

    Now, I am being told he isn’t that much of a fighter against it anyway…

    Good, I agree. He isn’t.

  285. CG says:

    I did win a 1992 election bet with a kid who said that Perot would finish in 2nd place, ahead of GHWB.

    Easiest political bet I ever won, until the one I really need to make with jason now that he is declaratively predicting that Pete Buttigieg will be the Democrats’ Presidential nominee in 2020.

    I declaratively predict he will not be. So let’s bet on it… for charity.

  286. CG says:

    Trump Derangement Syndrome= “I have to ignore everything he says up to 99% of the time, but other than that, I know I am with him!”

  287. CG says:

    The “socialist” thing is just a canard, as seen by the admission that Trump isn’t fighting socialism at all, but to be clear, I believe America would be better off if 95% or perhaps more of random name chosen from a telephone book were President.

  288. lisab says:


    that is a good name 🙂

  289. CG says:

    Eh, I would still be starting off at 40-49 % more truthful than Trump, according to NYC.

  290. CG says:

    So Mueller and his “angry Democrats” are going after a Democrat? Must all be smoke and mirrors…

  291. NYCmike says:

    “Now, I am being told he isn’t that much of a fighter against it anyway…”

    -Nobody told you that either.

    In both cases, you are accusing others of saying things that they haven’t said.


  292. NYCmike says:


    “Eh, I would still be starting off at 40-49 % more truthful than **any politician**, according to NYC.

  293. lisab says:

    I believe, as I always have, regardless of which person or party has been in office, that character matters above all else.

    since you are clintonesque in your selective use of “facts”

    i doubt character matters to you at all

  294. NYCmike says:

    “since you are clintonesque in your selective use of “facts”

    i doubt character matters to you at all”

    -lisab, the utopian socialist, or whatever she calls herself, once again hitting it out of the park!

  295. CG says:

    The Trump people are missing out in not having NYC on their Messaging Team.

    “Donald Trump, he lies up to 99% of the time, just like every politician. Keep America Great.”

  296. lisab says:

    What exactly has he done that has improved people’s lives that he is personally responsible for?


    lower taxes, fewer regulations, and the economy is great

  297. CG says:

    I don’t even know what that means.

    I have always considered character to be extremely important in elected officials.

    lisab will never be one, and I used to defend her, years ago, against unfair attacks, but now I see she is lacking in character herself.

  298. NYCmike says:

    Somewhere out there, Representative Ilhan Omar is trying to identify more voters like “CG” and Max Boot, so she can mobilize those types to stand by and do nothing, so she can help implement her view of what a government should look like.

  299. CG says:

    I asked NYC for some links on the “fewer regulations” and he admitted he had nothing to provide.

    He takes Trump at his word that he has made fewer regulations. How do you know when the 1-10 percent is valid?

  300. Phil says:

    The “socialist thing is just a canard”

    Welcome to the Democrats chief talking point in this election cycle.

    Who? Us socialists? Naw. Single payer, 70% tax rates, wealth tax, government paid for free college and free housing, abolition of fossil fuel energy and cars, massive government regulation of business and all aspects of society…..and as an added bonus we’ll also give you open borders, elimination of semi automatic firearms, pack the Supreme Court with leftist loons intent on expanding the reach of government…..

    Yep give me all of that over Trump any day. Yep.

  301. CG says:

    I would vote against Ilhan Omar. Ultimately, it’s up to her district. If she is going to lose, it would be in a primary. Thus, if I lived near where lisab lived, it would be strategic to vote against her in a Democrat primary.

  302. CG says:

    So, is Donald Trump anti-socialist or not?

    NYC is going back and forth like a seesaw.

    Nobody wants to try to defend or explain the paid family leave he has proposed that I keep asking about. You all just want to ignore it instead of admitting that Trump is pushing to enact one of the largest examples of socialism America would have ever seen.

  303. Phil says:

    Ah, Max Boot. Now, there’s a real conservative for you. Solid conservative there.

  304. Chicon says:

    Character is sticking with your convictions when it is hard. Saying a Socialist would be better than a Republican because you don’t like him conclusively suggests a lack of character.

  305. lisab says:

    “I have always considered character to be extremely important in elected officials.”

    just not yourself

  306. CG says:

    “Character is sticking with your convictions when it is hard.”

    Clearly, that is what I am doing. My convictions is that Donald Trump is scum and thoroughly unwell and dangerous for America and bad for the world.

    I say it here even though those who would prefer a pro-Trump echo-chamber will call me a “troll” or whatnot.

  307. CG says:

    I’ve said almost anybody would be better than Trump. Socialism can still be opposed through the democratic process. Anybody would be better than Trump. Even Aunty Becky from Full House.

  308. Phil says:

    I’m against paid family leave. I just named the leftist policies The left is advocating.

    Weighing the the two sides it’s not even close. I’ll take Trump.

    By the way, I forgot reparations in 303. Another leftist winner.

  309. lisab says:

    as a minority myself, i think you guys should pay me money …

  310. Phil says:

    Yeah, anyone would be better than Trump. Bernie, Kamala, AOC, Omar…..yep – anyone.

    They got character by damn!

  311. CG says:

    Trump concedes ground to the left when he embraces socialism himself. Plus, his “national emergency” thing can certainly be utilized by them to do whatever they want. People here seem ok with that in the future as long as Trump “wins” *now*. Very short-sighted.

    But clearly, I obviously would prefer Republicans to replace Trump with an actual conservative and any genuine conservative should hope for the same as well.

    Otherwise, you folks want to lose, just so you can stand shoulder to shoulder with DJT and he bitches about losing and what will come after that.

    I think the die-hard OnlyTrumpers are the ones who want socialism in the future deep down. We already know that Phil is resigned to the point where there will be enough minorities in America that they will literally destroy him and the country.

  312. NYCmike says:

    “I asked NYC for some links on the “fewer regulations” and he admitted he had nothing to provide.”


    I simply did not provide.

    I’ll get some if you think that is the case.

  313. lisab says:

    half-truth corey’s comments are like a transcript of cnn news …

    but without the humor

  314. CG says:

    Phil mentioned a lot of really bad policy ideas being pushed by the left.

    How do we know Trump will not embrace them for himself? According to NYC, he should be ignored 90-99% of the time, so if he says he is against those things, we do not really know it.

    Somehow, Phil trusts him though. Maybe it’s DNA related.

  315. CG says:

    Please get me some NYC and make sure it is clear that the change of policies are in place and permanent and are not simply “up for review” or in the courts or something.

  316. Phil says:

    No, pal. It’s left wing one party socialism that will destroy the country. The Changing Demographics are just the means to get there.

    And you ARE a troll. Big time.

  317. CG says:

    Define a “troll.”

    It seems like you are simply saying a “troll” is someone who does not share my beliefs. So, that makes you a snowflake, clearly.

    Donald Trump could openly embrace socialism and people here will applaud him for that. NYC has admitted it for all of you who defend Trump to the hilt. It simply doesn’t matter what he says. He’s your guy and you see no other way.

  318. NYCmike says:

    -GW Bush is mentioned in this article (not this quote).

    “At the heart of the campaign are two committed small-government crusaders, one an academic and the other a Washington tea party pol. The academic is Neomi Rao, who since July has headed the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, which scrutinizes all significant regulations and implements Trump’s executive orders on regulatory reform. Rao, effectively the country’s regulatory czar, is a free-market law professor who was a protégé of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and has spent years writing research papers and arguing for a smaller government. Her boss, Mick Mulvaney, a former South Carolina congressman, has also railed for years against governmental bloat, and now finds himself in a position to do something about it. In his other job, as acting head of Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, he just submitted a theatrical quarterly budget request of $0.”

  319. Phil says:

    ‘People here” would embrace socialism.

    I wouldn’t. Quit spouting nonsense.

  320. NYCmike says:

    “NYC has admitted it for all of you who defend Trump to the hilt.”


    This guy can’t stop!

  321. NYCmike says:


    Ilhan Omar may send you a coffee mug.

  322. Phil says:

    Hey, Omar’s got character.

  323. CG says:

    I don’t dispute that some bad regulations have been curtailed under this Administration but am not sure why Trump himself deserves the credit or even understands the issue, especially with the admission that he lies 90-99% of the time.

    The Republican Congress, which NYCMike never failed to attack, is likely more responsible for these things, as are the Cabinet agencies.

    Credit should be given but responsibly. It is an open question as to whether bad regulations are gone for good or not. In any event, Trump has proposed expanding the federal government at many turns, making all of this quite a mixed message.

    Republicans should replace Trump with a candidate who has less baggage and better chance of beating a left-wing Democrat. That new President will do even better on cutting regulations.

  324. NYCmike says:

    #330 – Heh!

    Links galore…….but now we have to be careful about doling out credit.

  325. CG says:

    I’ve done nothing here in regards to Ilhan Omar but criticize her on substantive grounds (I don’t think it’s un-American she wears a hijab though)but people here are claiming that I am an Ilhan Omar fan or supporter of some sort. Nobody here cared to acknowledge a word of the back and forth I had with “Paul” over her last week.

    And I am supposed to consider you guys honest?

  326. NYCmike says:

    “CG”: “That new President will do even better on cutting regulations.”

    Like this much better??

    “What Trump has actually done is something else: Rather than repealing old rules, he has put a cork in the federal regulatory process, slow-playing rulemaking and in many cases stopping it entirely. According to a POLITICO analysis, the White House’s regulatory office has approved just 156 regulations since Inauguration Day, a huge drop compared with the Obama and Bush administrations: The office approved 510 rules in Barack Obama’s first year. For George W. Bush, it was 445.”

  327. NYCmike says:

    “)but people here are claiming that I am an Ilhan Omar fan or supporter of some sort.”


    I claimed she is a supporter of you, and Max Boot.

  328. NYCmike says:


    You may reach China tonight.

  329. CG says:

    334. I consider that a gimmick. Not impressed.

    If a regulation is bad, it should be repealed, full stop. If it is a reasonable regulation, it should exist. We certainly seem to have too many regulations.

    But what is the point of simply repealing regulations with one hand and vastly increasing the government with the other. What is the impact on the debt with all of this. Should be debt matter at all?

  330. CG says:

    Why would she be a supporter of me? I doubt she agrees with me on most of anything.

    As usual, you link me with some sort of “prominent” Jew although I do not know a ton about Max Boot. I assume it’s just a coincidence. Why would Omar like him?

  331. CG says:

    1. Ilhan Omar was not responsible for 9/11
    2. Ilhan Omar has every right to wear religious headgear, including on the floor of the U.S. House.

    Does anyone disagree with me on either of those?

  332. Chicon says:

    Why anyone would try to have a substantive discussion on issues with a deranged individual is beyond me.

  333. Bitterlaw says:

    But clearly, I obviously would prefer Republicans to replace Trump with an actual conservative and any genuine conservative should hope for the same as well.

    I would, too, if that Republican could win in 2020. However, it will not happen so I am stuck with Trump. Corey’s fantasy fails because 100% of the Democrats would still vote for Trump. The Indies would split. Trump’s base would stay home. Corey would get his dream and the Democrat would get the White House.

  334. Phil says:

    Hey, I assumed Omar would fall under your category of “anyone would be better than Trump”.

    …and nobody on here has ever criticized her wearing anything on her head so cut the crap. She is an anti Semite and that is a tad bothersome to most on here.

  335. CG says:

    By Trumpist definition, anyone who disagrees or challenges the views of them is “deranged” or a “troll.”

    You basically want an echo-chamber. You think Trump supporters are victims of mass discrimination. janz, the fan of Holocaust denying publications, thinks she is living in the Jim Crowe era.

    You people (at least most of you) are simply unable to deal with anyone who challenges your mindset. I saw it for years online with leftist bloggers too. You guys have a ton in common and it boils down to insecurity. Besides, I call you people a lot less nasty name than Robbie does.

  336. CG says:

    I think Omar would be just as bad as Trump. To me, they seem to have a lot of the same traits. She’s a lot better looking though.

  337. CG says:

    We all should have learned to be cautious about “this will never happen” when just about everyone declared that Trump could never be nominated, elected, etc.

    I don’t know what is going to happen. I have one vote that will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. My conscience will.

  338. Phil says:


    Yeah, I’m questioning that one myself, Chiron. Goes back to your wrestling with pigs comment.

    Thanks. I needed that. I think I’ll disengage.

    Wew. I already feel better.

  339. CG says:

    When I don’t post here, the comments decrease by something like 400% and you people ask on here where I went or where Robbie went, etc.

    Some just want an echo-chamber. I understand that. This site though happens to be owned and run by someone whom I am fairly sure thinks of Trump much the way I do. Yet, you still patronize him. There are a ton of moderated pro-Trump websites/discussion groups out there, plus Reddit, etc. You can be certain to never run into anyone who thinks like me there.

    Just go there and be happier or learn to deal with it.

  340. CG says:

    See you next week.

  341. Chicon says:

    Good deal, Phil.

  342. Chicon says:

    See you next Tuesday.

  343. Bitterlaw says:

    I saw what you did there, Chicon.

  344. Chicon says:

    Who, me?

  345. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So the Democrats are advocating for open borders with the most violent city in the world.

    “SAN DIEGO — Tijuana was the most violent city in the world last year, according to a report by a Mexican nonprofit group, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Five out of the world’s six most violent cities in 2018 were in Mexico, according to a new report from the Citizens’ Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice that ranks cities based on their homicide rates.

    There were 138 killings per 100,000 Tijuana residents in 2018, averaging about seven per day, the report said. Following Tijuana was Acapulco, Mexico, where there were 111 killings per 100,000 people. Caracas, Venezuela was third on the list. A hundred killings per 100,000 people were reported there. Two cities in northern Mexico were ranked fourth and fifth: Ciudad Victoria in Tamaulipas and Ciudad Juarez in Chihuahua.

    Mexico had more cities on the list than any other country, according to the Times.”

  346. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    What Mexico needs is gun control, that would bring the rampant crime under control . . .oh wait, Mexico already has strict gun control laws. Never mind. Maybe its drug cartels and gangs?

  347. lisab says:

    anyone want to start a gofundme to send half-truth corey to tijuana?

  348. lisab says:

    You people (at least most of you) are simply unable to deal with anyone who challenges your mindset. I saw it for years online with leftist bloggers too. You guys have a ton in common and it boils down to insecurity.

    i’ve taught schizophrenics who were more self-aware

  349. Tgca says:

    So CG in 318 minimizes a convicted sexual predator who sexually assaulted an 8 year-old boy. This s what TDS does to you. He has lost all rationale. His fellow GOPers disagree with him by over 90% yet he screams everyone s wrong and only he sees the light.

  350. CG says:

    318 is a post in which I ask NYC to provide links dealing with regulation.

    What in the world are you talking about NYC?

  351. CG says:

    Make that Tgca.

    Post 357 makes absolutely no sense.

  352. Chicon says:

    Look to 218.

  353. Tina says:

    Jebots crushed. $ found for border wall. I am sure the 9th circus will try to stop him, but they lost today.

  354. Tina says:

    I believe Hillary matters most, above everything else.


  355. Tgca says:


    Typo. 218 not 318.

    In post 215, NYC posted link about drag queen sponsored by city to read to children because they want to introduce kids to more diversity so they will be tolerant. It turns out this drag queen was a convicted sex offender of an 8 year-old boy. City and library folks apologize for not doing a background check but not for having an adult performer read to young children.

    1st of all, drag queens traditionally perform in adult places with skits and humor not meant for children so why have them sponsor an event to read to young kids in a library. This is PC madness. It’s like having Stormy Daniels read to kids.

    CG makes mockery of NYC for posting this. So I guess CG is ok with perverts molesting children as long as he makes a condescending point against someone who supports many of Trumps policy…just like over 90% of the GOP. CG is in the extreme minority of the GOP but thinks he’s the voice of reason.

    Delusional! Total TDS.

  356. NYCmike says:

    “Post 357 makes absolutely no sense.”


    See #363.

    Tgca obviously read the link.

    You saw the headline and your only thought was……”Giuliani!”.

  357. CG says:

    That reaction is way over the top as I said nothing about a sex offender and neither did NYC. Since Tgca cannot counter anything I actually said from a policy or personal standpoint about Trump, he chooses to focus on this.

    Now, while I read NYC’s post, I did not read the link, so I did not know what the story was about entirely. That’s on me, but he seemed to be specifically commenting that since Democrats approve of drag queens that people had no right to talk about Trump cavorting with porn stars.

    While I can accept criticism for not reading the link and only commenting on the drag queen aspect, I said nothing to minimize a crime. NYC could have said, “I don’t care about the draq queen part, this is a person who….” and I would have accepted the point.

    I don’t think having draq queens at children events is appropriate either, but obviously this would be about more than that. There is political hypocrisy since Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump have participated in drag skits.

    I also wish Trump supporters would accept the criticism of him for the way he laughed about the power he took upon himself to walk in on underage beauty pageant contestants when they were undressed. That just gets shrugged off of course.

  358. CG says:

    I did really think you were just talking about drag queens and comparing them to Stormy Daniels.

  359. NYCmike says:


  360. CG says:

    This is of course what I was referencing

    Beyond this though, Giuliani would show up in drag on SNL at least three times a year.

    Funny, we haven’t seen Rudy on tv in a couple months now. Is the Trump team making a mistake not having him out there publicly?

  361. NYCmike says:


    Enjoying your weekly write-ups for 2020……you claim people at HHR want an echo chamber……..what did lisab write earlier….”i’ve taught schizophrenics who were more self-aware”

  362. CG says:

    Clearly a personal blog is different than a website comment section, just like a Twitter or Facebook feed would be.

    My weekly write-ups are very much stream of consciousness thoughts, so there are likely to be typos, misspellings, etc.

    I don’t write them for views or hoping to get comments, but you are of course welcome to comment to say you disagree with what I wrote and as long as you are not using profanity, etc, I will publish your thoughts.

  363. CG says:

    I’ve posted those every Saturday (for a two year period) for every cycle since 2008. I used to get a bunch of comments back when I was a regular at another site. If I am a “secret Dem”, it should be easy to spot.

  364. NYCmike says:

    “If I am a “secret Dem”, it should be easy to spot.”

    -EVERY TIME you make yourself include a bashing of the present President when speaking about Democrats, Ilhan Omar cracks a devious smile!

    She’ll come for you after you help her…….while saying you didn’t. She won’t care what you think. She’ll just reap the benefits.

  365. Tina says:

    “If I am a “secret Dem”, it should be easy to spot.”

    Is this serious?

  366. lisab says:

    ”i’ve taught schizophrenics who were more self-aware”

    frankly, schizophrenics are generally much more pleasant to be around.

    they have delusions, but don’t go around implying people are racist or anti-semitic the way half truth corey does

    they just think the cia is watching them, they don’t support pedophiles reading to children

  367. Tina says:

    Oan is better than the chamber of commerce news network.

    Robert Herring
    Fox News has hired Paul Ryan and Donna Brazile. Is Jim Acosta next? Will they host a Town Hall with potential 2020 contender Howard Schultz?

    @realDonaldTrump @foxheadlines @OANN

  368. lisab says:

    why paul ryan?

    he has zero charisma

  369. lisab says:

    Of course Hulu creates a show about a fat ugly feminist who is proud for getting an abortion.

  370. Tina says:

    Paulo is a director of Faux news now.

  371. lisab says:

    “and then the shower door said, ‘this is maga country’!”

    bernie sanders 🙂

  372. lisab says:

    i wouldn’t hire paul ryan to sell tinfoil hats to half-truth corey

  373. Tina says:

    Tsa agent out of control.

    Clearly a deviant officer.

  374. lisab says:

    that tsa agent might be corey

  375. lisab says:

    if that was bitterlaw’s son, bitterlaw might have ended up on the evening news

  376. Tina says:

    Do not fly.

    Just drive everywhere.

    Who wants to put up with the paper plane crasher, dirty airports not cleaned by Corey, and pedo tsa workers?

  377. lisab says:

    i drive if it is 1000 miles or under

  378. lisab says:

    and then … supposedly robbie is the pilot

  379. Tina says:

    Trump just tweeted about the tsa perv.

  380. lisab says:


    i don’t see it, what did he say?

  381. sandiegocitizen says:

    340, 346. It does begin to sound like a broken record. CG needs to discover new and inventive ways to hate Trump; rather than just regurgitated the same old talking points.

  382. sandiegocitizen says:

    Trump actually made an understatement. He said:”it was not a good situation.”

    Someone needs to do a background check on the guy. He may be a pedophile.

  383. lisab says:

    trup to be sued for ruining an old man’s life in 3 … 2 … 1

  384. sandiegocitizen says:

    The incident with the child happened in Dallas several years ago. Here is a news article.

  385. sandiegocitizen says:

    A comment on Twitter;

    “We must grope American children to keep you safe but 70K foreigners can cross the border and its racist to object. The United States has gone completely insane”

  386. lisab says:

    Beto O’Rourke says there is ‘a lot of wisdom’ in calls to abolish the Electoral College, cites Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss

    “I think there’s a lot to that. Because you had an election in 2016 where the loser got 3 million more votes than the victor,” O’Rourke said in a video posted online.

    “It puts some states out of play altogether, they don’t feel like their votes really count.

  387. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    394.@realDonaldTrump “Campaigning for the Popular Vote is much easier & different than campaigning for the Electoral College. It’s like training for the 100 yard dash vs. a marathon. The brilliance of the Electoral College is that you must go to many States to win. With the Popular Vote, you go to……just the large States – the Cities would end up running the Country. Smaller States & the entire Midwest would end up losing all power – & we can’t let that happen. I used to like the idea of the Popular Vote, but now realize the Electoral College is far better for the U.S.A.”

  388. lisab says:

    oh i know …

    but i’m bored

    i am banned from school because i have the flu

  389. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    How are trolls were so expecting Mueller to destroy Trump. This from AP:

    “A change is underway as well among congressional Democrats, who have long believed the report would offer damning evidence against the president. The Democrats are busy building new avenues for evidence to come out, opening a broad array of investigations of Trump’s White House and businesses that go far beyond Mueller’s focus on Russian interference to help Trump beat Democrat Hillary Clinton.
    It’s a striking role reversal.
    No one knows exactly what Mueller will say, but Trump, his allies and members of Congress are trying to map out the post-probe political dynamics.
    One scenario would have seemed downright implausible until recently: The president will take the findings and run on them, rather than against them, by painting the special counsel as an example of failed government overreach and Trump himself as the victim who managed to prove his innocence.
    The top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, Georgia Rep. Doug Collins, said on the House floor last week that he had a “news flash” for Democrats who had high hopes that the report would be damaging to Trump.
    “What happens when it comes back and says none of this was true, the president did not do anything wrong?” Collins asked. “Then the meltdown will occur.””

  390. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This seems pretty damning. Is it the tip of the iceberg or just a rogue State Department babe? Did the Frenchman, John Kerry(D-Vietnam) know?

  391. Wes says:

    While I support the Electoral College I would recommend Republicans get to the point of winning consistently on both the popular vote side and the Electoral Vote side of the presidential election.

    O’Rourke voices what I’ve long suspected:

    Dems are beginning to look seriously at abolishing the EC.

    Republicans make a mistake by feeding into this with repeated failures to win the national popular vote and the EC. This kind of thing will build resentment. Once Dems get enough power in Washington they’ll have Congress pass an amendment to dismantle the EC and spend the next seven years (the time allotted for ratification of an amendment passed by Congress) to get it through the necessary 38 legislatures.

    They honestly don’t care if VT or NH or SD ever sees a presidential candidate. They’re simply interested in winning. That’s why if Trump by some miracle survives next year he needs to win the popular vote as well. If not, that will be the beginning of the end of the EC.

  392. Bitterlaw says:


    Corey is not a troll. He is annoying and sanctimonious and far too blind to the danger posed by letting Democrats win unopposd.

  393. Bitterlaw says:


    I had a comment in moderation so my numbering might be off.

  394. Tina says:

    Sheeple, tip of the iceberg on the Russian hoax.

    Comedy, McFib, Pete the Cheat)

    Justice , the mistress, Eric holder 2.0

    CIA (the commie).


    SOS (Mullah Francois)

  395. Tina says:

    He would be stupid not to politicize it,

    Aaron Maté
    AP reports that if Mueller doesn’t allege collusion, “Trump and his advisers are considering how to weaponize those possible findings for the 2020 race.” If that bears out, Dems & media partisans who elevated a conspiracy theory for 2 years will have handed Trump a massive gift:

  396. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Good points. If people are honest, the argument about the EC is based purely on political self-interest. The idea that Delaware is really unique from PA or New York made sense in 1787 when people lived and died in their native state. Now, everybody has Netflix and can fly across the country in 6 hours. If Republicans were faced with the result of winning the popular vote by millions and losing the EC, they would be acting like Democrats. If the situation was reversed and Dems’ best way to hold onto power as the popular vote swung against them, they would extol the brilliance of the Foubding Fathers they usually hate and defend the EC.

  397. jason says:

    I see Corey is trying to convince himself that socialism is better than capitalism

    Failing miserably.

  398. jason says:

    But clearly, I obviously would prefer Republicans to replace Trump with an actual conservative and any genuine conservative should hope for the same as well.

    I would, too, if that Republican could win in 2020. However, it will not happen so I am stuck with Trump. Corey’s fantasy fails because 100% of the Democrats would still vote for Trump. The Indies would split. Trump’s base would stay home. Corey would get his dream and the Democrat would get the White House.”


    There IS no other Republican that will win the nomination in 2020.

    So the “I wish we had a better Republican” is just empty rhetoric.

    But of course I am sure Corey knows Trump will be the nominee and we either re-elect him or we get a socialist.

    That is why he is now selling socialism as “not that bad”.

  399. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is a vile, horrible person. Unfortunately, he is the only viable alternative to stop the Dems. Real world sucks.

  400. Phil says:

    Wes, there is absolutely no way in the world that Democrats get three fourths of the states to ratify doing away with the electoral college – even if they were to get 2/3 of both houses to approve even sending it to the states which even that is a long shot.

    Same is true of this goofy 16 year old vote proposal. The Amendment Process is the Constitutional firewall and i’s impossible to breach.

  401. Phil says:


    Dead on, Jason.

  402. Wes says:

    Phil, Dems are relentless and will have a seven-year window once Congress passes an amendment disbanding the EC. This will be their strategy:

    Pass it through Congress and then have the 20+ state legislatures they’ll control ratify it. Then they’ll go full-court press to flip just enough legislatures in seven years to ratify it.

    Don’t say it’s impossible. It most certainly is not.

  403. Phil says:

    Correct me if I am wrong but Cory Booker’s idea of Supreme Court Justice term limits would require a constitutional amendment as the constitution is specific – federal judges serve for life.

    Seems that the only way these whacky leftist ideas get anywhere is to change the amendment process – that in itself would take a constitutional amendment so the left is stuck in the mud.

  404. Phil says:

    Wes, you are dead on that Dems are ruthless and would do everything they could but 38 states would require something like ten small states signing on. Good luck with that.

    Also, remember the equal rights amendment never made it after 7 years and fizzled even after the Democratic congress gave it a three year extension. I believe that was in the 1970s.

    Your point is well taken however that Democrats would try and move heaven and earth – they wouldn’t even come close to the number they needed, however.

  405. Chicon says:

    Wes, of course it’s not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. The 1st hurdle is it needs 2/3’s majority in each house of Congress. Then it has to be approved by 38 states, many of which would be losing electoral power if the ratify.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  406. lisab says:

    He is annoying and sanctimonious

    and a troll

    both can be true 🙂

  407. lisab says:

    most likely their plan is to do what obama did in minnesota

    bring in a bunch of refugees/illegal aliens and give them voting rights, buying their vote with welfare

    trump lost minnesota by 45,000 votes. you cannot walk you cannot walk 50 feet in a city here without meeting a somalian. that is why we have omar.