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Warren Only in 3rd Place Among Dems in MA

Democrats should have no problem retaining the state of Massachusetts at the presidential level according to a new poll from Emerson College.

PRESIDENT – MASSACHUSETTS (Emerson)
Joe Biden (D) 69%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 31%

Bernie Sanders (D) 64%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 36%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 63%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 37%

PRESIDENT – MASSACHUSETTS – DEM PRIMARY (Emerson)
Bernie Sanders 26%
Joe Biden 23%
Elizabeth Warren 14%
Pete Buttigieg 11%
Beto O’Rourke 8%
Kamala Harris 7%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Tulsi Gabbard 1%
Andrew Yang 1%
Julian Castro 1%
John Delaney 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 0%
Jay Inslee 0%

This poll was done April 4-7 among 761 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:27 pm
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778 Responses to “Warren Only in 3rd Place Among Dems in MA”

  1. sandiegocitizen says:

    1st.

  2. Tgca says:

    Uno Bebe! Uno!

  3. Tgca says:

    Tres Bebe! Tres!

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Warren can only pull 14% of the vote in the Massachusetts primary, she needs to end her campaign.

  5. Paul says:

    4: The native population is fairly small in Massachusetts.

  6. Paul says:

    I’m still holding out for Governor Bullock.

  7. Tgca says:

    MAGA!
    MAGA!!
    MAAAAAGAAAAA!!!

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    I started watching a new show on AMC. The main characters are a witch and a vampire. Worth watching the second episode. Unfortunately, I read a review that said it was based upon a series of books. I never heard about these books but Wes will say I can’t like the show because I did not know about the books beforehand.

  9. Tina says:

    I am still holding on for Hillary.

    -Jebot

  10. jason says:

    MAGA!
    MAGA!!
    MAAAAAGAAAAA!!!”

    Looks like Tgca had a banana split/vanilla cream stuffed donut smoothie washed down with a couple cans of condensed milk.

  11. jason says:

    If Trump pulls 37% in MA in 2020 he will win the election.

    You read it here first.

  12. jason says:

    4: The native population is fairly small in Massachusetts.”

    Wow, Paul Troll is mocking one of his own?

  13. DW says:

    12 – that was my first interest in the poll, to see what sort of number Trump was pulling. If he is holding that well in MA, then maybe he can pull off NH.

  14. mnw says:

    RAS has it 51/47 today. It’s been 50-51 for about a week, I think.

    The trendline is improving lately. Another glimpse into the obvious.

    If u look rilly rilly hard, some MSM have grudgingly acknowledged this.

  15. Tina says:

    Other polls are falling close in line with Ras.

    Also, there are some numbers that the drats have to be alarmed with.

    50 percent of Hispanics approve of trump, per McLaughlin and Associates poll.

    Black approval has been about 20%.

  16. mnw says:

    Tina

    I feel like Trump is leaving money on the table by not doing MORE to talk to AA voters directly– without the MSM filter.

    Do some hugh profile appearances in front of persuadable AA audiences– AA businessmen; rank & file UAW & Steelworkers (USW) members.

    He has a whole smorgasbord of economic accomplishments & plans* to talk about.

    * infrastructure

  17. Phil says:

    The border situation is helping Trump. Democrats are unbelievably weak on border security and that fact becomes more obvious with every passing day.

  18. jason says:

    The RNC should be running ads in black media outlets touting the record low unemployment numbers.

    I am skeptical about the 20% approval with blacks, but if he could get that in the election he would be pretty much a lock to win FL, NC, and MI, and it would make him competitive in VA.

    I don’t see him getting more than 10% though.

  19. Phil says:

    If he captures even 13 – 14 percent of the black vote that is a real blow to Democrats in states like Florida and NC. More importantly, it’s huge in Michigan.

  20. DW says:

    GOP will never get more than 10% of the AA vote unless there is some sort of wholesale shift in culture. No matter what happens, the vast majority of AAs always return to the Democrat Party Plantation and they keep picking their cotton in bondage in exchange for the ‘freebies.’

  21. Phil says:

    Yeah, 13 percent would probably be the absolute ceiling for that very reason.

  22. Chicon says:

    I keep hearing Trump is a Democrat. Why wouldn’t he eat into Democratic constituencies?

  23. Tina says:

    I think Cccp sanders sees the light on the border.

    He came out against open borders. Says you cannot do it,

    Lady Daca was let go last night because she was weak on the issue,

  24. Tina says:

    I agree 20 percent seems high, but heck there has to be some concern if it is 12/15. This would impact many states.

  25. Tina says:

    I am hearing that Sjw Yates is in a lot of legal trouble.

  26. mnw says:

    Chicon

    Your Hawks let me down in that last game in Music City.

    Prior to that, I was impressed with how hard the Hawks played in the last 10 or so meaningless (to them) games. I thought that showed character.

  27. NYCmike says:

    (voodoo doll in hand, and thoughts of Author Mendez in my mind)

    Let’s go Tampa Bay Lightning, there is NO WAY that you can lose the Stanley Cup this year! You will definitely take that trophy home, NO DOUBT! The best team in the regular season ALWAYS wins in the Stanley Cup playoffs!

  28. mnw says:

    NYC

    Have u seen the Bolts play? They r pretty terrifying. Last I heard, they had THREE of the league’s top ten scorers.

  29. lisab says:

    New Michigan Dem governor proposes 45 cent gas tax hike. Claims she didn’t lie to voters for calling a 20 cent hike “ridiculous and nonsense” during the debates.

  30. lisab says:

    Rep. Bobby Rush calls Chicago police union the ‘sworn enemy of black people’

  31. lisab says:

    450 miles of wall by end of 2020, Army Corps reports to President Trump

  32. NYCmike says:

    mnw,

    Power Play is lethal, with 3 or 4 different guys with 30+ goals.

    And then, they have a top defenseman, great goaltending, and good checking lines that can also score.

    They are definitely favorites to win.

  33. Tina says:

    Mnw,

    Trump has done this with criminal justice reform aka First Step.

    A lot of Aas thought highly of this reform.

    He just had an event on this a few weeks ago and he mentioned it in the SOTU

    A prominent black official said that he was never invited into the wh fwiw.

  34. jason says:

    Romney calls those seeking Trump’s tax returns morons?

    What was his first clue?

    I am sorry I ever supported Romney for the Senate. I wish he would just fade into the sunset like Jeb Bush.

  35. Tina says:

    Strike quickly and ferociously. No second Sc, no matter how much the weak, gop-e pushes for one,

    Paul Sperry
    @paulsperry_
    BREAKING: I’m told AG Barr not fan of institution of the special counsel/prosecutor & feels public corruption cases should be dealt w inside DOJ by the attorney general,making chances of his appointing special counsel to investigate Obama FBI/DOJ officials in SpyGate scandal slim

    1,026
    8:45 AM – Apr 8, 2019

  36. lisab says:

    I am sorry I ever supported Romney for the Senate. I wish he would just fade into the sunset like Jeb Bush.

    ——————————-

    he really wants to be president

  37. NYCmike says:

    “I am sorry I ever supported Romney for the Senate.”

    -Don’t worry, since the people of Utah were able to get rid of that **fascistic** way of choosing representatives which saw Mike Lee take over for Bennett, Romney will be in this position until he is wheeled out of the Senate chamber.

    **Please, someone tell me when another **fascistic** procedure was ever removed by a vote of the people.

  38. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/wisconsin-republicans-critical-of-gap-in-everss-proposed-budget/

    -To the people of Wisconsin, who saw fit to elect a Democrat instead of re-electing the Republican Governor who had served this state wisely, with prudence, and with an eye for the future, you will now feel the pain of that decision, the same as I have in NYC, where the majority of voters saw fit to terminate the 20 year rule of Republicans/Independents and installed DeBlasio several years ago.

    Lot of people out there who are blinded by hatred and ideology.

  39. NYCmike says:

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-files-bias-complaint-against-dorm-roommate-for-watching-ben-shapiro-video/

    -Yikes!

    If I was in college now, not so sure how things would end up. This is scary sh*t, that you can’t even watch a video.

  40. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/western-pennsylvanias-lessons-run-on-real-issues-not-for-green-fantasies

    -Good reporting done by Salena Zito again.

    Hopefully, Democrats at the Presidential level will run to win the popular vote, instead of the Electoral College.

  41. jason says:

    he really wants to be president”

    He doesn’t actually have the balls to run against Trump.

    So he writes self serving back stabbing and dishonest op-eds to ingratiate himself with the same MSM that portrayed him as as a genocidal corporate ghoul. The same MSM that skewered him for still seeing Russia as an adversary and a global threat.

    I wouldn’t support him for dog catcher. I suppose that if its him against a socialist, I would do what I would have done if it had been Jeb against Hillary.. swallowed hard, pushed the lever, and then gone home and taken 20 showers.

  42. Phil says:

    43

    Amen, brother.

  43. NYCmike says:

    “So he writes self serving back stabbing and dishonest op-eds to ingratiate himself with the same MSM that portrayed him as as a genocidal corporate ghoul. The same MSM that skewered him for still seeing Russia as an adversary and a global threat.”

    -And somehow, The Morality Munchkins like “CG”, Robbie and other #NeverTrumpers eat it up!

  44. jason says:

    To be fair to Obama, I have heard little of him publicly attacking Trump.

    He seems to have taken the same approach GWB took with him.

  45. CG says:

    Is jason agreeing with the Democrats that they have the right to subpoena Trump’s tax returns or is this just a case of his being a lazy reader again, as we have seen one time after another?

    Romney is agreeing with Trump on this matter regarding the Democrats’ demand for his tax returns. What exactly is the issue?

  46. lisab says:

    he really wants to be president”

    ————————————
    no but if someone had to “step in” if trump stepped aside, i think he would do it.

    there is a fairly large chance trump will not be the nominee, and that does not necessarily mean he is impeached or there is a scandal.

    he could simply decide he does not want to run

    he could have a health crisis, like a heart attack — he is married to a model after all, a heart attack waiting to happen

    he could die

    he has something like a 5 to 10% chance of dying or having a health crisis by 2020.

  47. CG says:

    Romney literally went out of his way to side with Trump on something and referred to his Democrat critics as “moronic” and now that is a problem for the OnlyTrumpers?

    It doesn’t make sense. You would think they would be applauding it or citing it, saying something like “even Romney agrees with..”

    Perhaps Senator Romney should understand he is never going to please some people regardless.

  48. jason says:

    And somehow, The Morality Munchkins like “CG”, Robbie and other #NeverTrumpers eat it up!”

    The ends justify the means.

    Amoral Scumbag and Corey are the MSM’s biggest sycophants.

    Why? Because like the MSM, they have TDS.

    They have short memories.

  49. lisab says:

    Megyn Kelly Reportedly Gunning for a Return, Possible Fox News Comeback

  50. CG says:

    Most likely, jason probably read thru something quickly again and completely missed the point and it got all scrambled in his mind. He does that so often.

    Now, that I have caught him on it, he will never admit it and try to change the subject.

  51. Tina says:

    Quittens also made no sense with the border.

    Now claims that there is a crisis,

    He needs to quit pandering to cn and n and mslsd types.

  52. Tina says:

    I am sure Faux news will take back that presstitute.

  53. lisab says:

    he has something like a 5 to 10% chance of dying or having a health crisis by 2020.
    ———————–

    this is true of all male 72 year olds,

    not just trump btw,

    the difference is, most 72 year olds would not lose their job if they had a health crisis, but a mild heart attack would probably be the end for president trump in the wh

  54. CG says:

    Romney goes out of his way to be fair and cite the fact that he agrees with the general premise of Trump’s concerns about the border, which if course is consistent with the position that Romney has had for many years (unlike Trump whom post 2012 said Romney was diabolical on immigration and came across as racist)and that is also an issue for the OnlyTrumpers?

    Agreeing with the general premise of the Trump Admin is sucking up to the liberal media? Something doesn’t compute there either.

  55. lisab says:

    I am sure Faux news will take back that presstitute.

    ————————————–

    not at her old offer, which was something like $15-20 million

    maybe at $2 million

  56. jason says:

    It’s not a problem for me. I agree with Romney that it’s moronic.

    Just like it was moronic for him in 2016 to play gutter politics and state that there was “a bombshell” in Trump’s taxes.

    “I think we have good reason to believe that there’s a bombshell in Donald Trump’s taxes.”

    That is moronic too.

  57. CG says:

    Romney is being very consistent. He said yesterday that Trump should release his tax returns. You completely and totally agreed with him in 2016 when he said it and applauded him for saying it.

    He also said yesterday that Democrats have no legal means to force him to release them and is likely right about that.

    His point is very clear.

    You made a weak attempt to distract from the fact that you read thru something and thought Romney was agreeing with Democrats instead of disagreeing with them because you are embarrassed once again.

  58. lisab says:

    Biden just came out as a trans-lesbian, so he could run in the dem party

  59. Tina says:

    Head of secret service fired.

    He reported to Lady Daca, who was fired yesterday.

    Secret service let in the China spy into The Florida Wh.

  60. jason says:

    Now, that I have caught him on it, he will never admit it and try to change the subject.”

    LOL

    Corey is really confused. Here is what I wrote, it’s quite clear I agreed with Romney, I even said “what was his first clue” meaning “that is very obvious”

    What I wrote:

    “Romney calls those seeking Trump’s tax returns morons?

    What was his first clue?”

  61. lisab says:

    Beto O’Rourke calls Benjamin Netanyahu a ‘racist’

  62. CG says:

    Here is an entire thread of jason agreeing with what Mitt Romney said in 2016 the day he said it.

    Now, Romney is a moron for having said it then? Well, then jason would have also had to be for agreeing with it.

    http://davidwissing.com/?p=23900#comments

  63. Tina says:

    The next person that should be fired is the Fib Director, Wrong Way,

    Let’s have a street cop in the fib position, not a lawyer, who is basically tied to Mulehead and Comedy.

  64. jason says:

    ou made a weak attempt to distract from the fact that you read thru something and thought Romney was agreeing with Democrats instead of disagreeing with them because you are embarrassed once again.”

    Wow, you are really screwed up.

    You are making all that up, I clearly agreed with Romney about the Dems being morons.

    THEN I went on to say that I now think he is a scumbag I would never support for public office again.

    Contrary to you, I can actually make two points at the same time.

    GFY.

  65. CG says:

    That’s a fun thread. Early on, jason said his wife would vote for Hillary over Trump and would try to get him to do the same and that she would have a point.

  66. Tina says:

    Trump or any presidential candidate is not required to release his or her tax returns.

    There is a right to privacy here, which the drats ignored.

    Voters can decide if the releasing of returns are needed or not.

  67. CG says:

    “I would NEVER vote for the racist bigot, not if he was running against Bernie Sanders or the ghost of Karl Marx.” jason

    I guess it is not the duty of each of us to single-handily fight Marxism after all.

  68. CG says:

    30. NYCmike says:

    March 3, 2016 at 11:24 am

    Having jason this unhinged is almost reward enough for the terrible future we face with Madame President, once she dispatches Trump.

  69. lisab says:

    joe biden: when a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth

    september 17, 2018

  70. CG says:

    jason says:

    March 3, 2016 at 11:54 am

    I am thrilled the R nominee of 4 years ago is helping the racist bigot by calling him a phony and a fraud on national TV.

    I hope the racist bigot get lots more help like that.

  71. jason says:

    Here is an entire thread of jason agreeing with what Mitt Romney said in 2016 the day he said it.”

    Zzzzz…

    There must be literally thousands of posts where I agreed with Mitt Romney, considering nobody here was a bigger supporter.

    In 2016 I was in favor of anything that I thought could derail Trump’s candidacy.

    But Trump won, it’s 2019, and I am no longer living in 2016.

    Neither Corey or Romney can accept that Trump won.

    That is a problem with their character, not mine.

  72. CG says:

    jason says:

    March 3, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Yep, Romney shows that he has principles and balls.

    Too bad he didn’t win.

    But by ripping the racist bigot to shreds, he is doing a fine public service.

  73. CG says:

    jason says:

    March 3, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    Truth hurts huh?

    Give it to the racist bigot Mitt!

  74. CG says:

    Once upon a time, jason agreed with me on Duke Lite
    jason says:

    March 3, 2016 at 12:19 pm
    “Romney pay David Duke and the KKK.”

    Ah, so they endorsed Trump for money?

    Dang, I thought it was ideological compatibility, after all Trump, Duke and KKK speak the same language.

    It was just a coincidence then.

  75. jason says:

    So the point is that I was anti-Trump?

    Zzzzzzzzz……

  76. CG says:

    Phil says:

    March 3, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    Romney killed it.

    To be sure, the perma-hip Phil meant that Romney did well.

  77. lisab says:

    ‘Rain Tax’ Likely To Become Reality In New Jersey
    Idea Is To Protect Garden State’s Streams, Rivers And Bays From Potentially Toxic Storm Runoff From Salt And Lawn Fertilizers

  78. jason says:

    I see Corey is making my point.

    He is still living in 2016 primaries.

    I have moved on.

    Romney should have moved on too.

    Instead, he has become a little scumbag toady of the MSM.

  79. CG says:

    jason says:

    March 3, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    Romney said what had to be said.

    I hope real conservatives and real Republicans were listening.

    But even if they weren’t, watching the Trumpbots squeal like stuck pigs was already worth it.

    ——————-

    So, did you not mean it then, jason, or are you just claiming you were overwhelmingly, tremendously wrong all along?

    It has to be one or the other.

  80. mnw says:

    lisab

    Ur posts about the statistical likelihood of 72-yr-olds facing death or debilitating health issues by the end of 2020 are making me uncomfortable! Fortunately I don’t drink (lie!), & I stay in top physical shape (lie!).

    AL SEN:

    Auburn FB coach Tommy Tuberville will run. He’s MAGA, btw. I think Doug Jones is in more trouble today than he was last night… & he was in deep doo-doo already.

  81. Tina says:

    Here is cccp Bernie going to the right of the gop-e and the bushies on illegal immigration.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-says-hes-against-open-borders-2019-04-08?mod=mw_latestnews

  82. lisab says:

    mnw,

    sorry … carpe diem!

    go marry a 30 year old model!

  83. Tina says:

    Well this is a wonderful article from VDH.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/07/all-the-progressive-plotters/

    “Is it now permissible in 2020 for Trump’s FBI director to insert an informant into the campaign of the Democratic presidential nominee? If Joe Biden is the 2020 nominee, will the Trump Justice Department seek FISA warrants to monitor the communications of Biden’s campaign team—in worries that Biden son’s business practices in the Ukraine had earlier compromised Biden who had intervened on his behalf by threatening to cut off aid to Ukraine? Will they investigate Biden’s propensity to hug and kiss under-aged girls? Will Trump’s CIA director contact foreign nationals to aid in spying on Biden’s aides? Will National Security Advisor John Bolton request that the names of surveilled Biden campaign officials become unmasked as a way of having them leaked to the media? Will Trump hire a British ex-spy to gather together rumors and gossip about Biden’s previous overseas trips and foreign contacts, especially in the Ukraine, and then see them seeded among the Trump CIA, FBI, Justice Department, and State Department? Is that the sort of country we have now?”

  84. Tina says:

    Wiretap and informants are needed.

    Obumbler did it, so can trump.

  85. jason says:

    Nobody was more anti-Trump than I was.

    I thought, during the primaries, that he was sure to elect Hillary if he was nominated. And I thought he was not fit for the office.

    But since, I have make clear I was wrong about him not being electable, and I was wrong about him not being fit for office.

    Sue me.

  86. CG says:

    The thread continues with Robbie and jason having a discussion and quoting each other in which both refer to Trump as a “Klansman” (something I never did myself)

    So, jason either didn’t mean it at the time and was just trying to go along with the pack here when it was anti-Trump or he has a history of saying completely irrational, extreme things that he later winds up regretting.

    Which one is it?

  87. CG says:

    So, jason’s tact seems to be he meant whatever he said about Trump (and Romney) back then and he regrets nothing, but since an election worked a certain way, none of it is operable anymore.

    Simply put, his entire worldview and value system is determined by election results. Nothing to be proud of. At least his wife and children have more character.

  88. jason says:

    or are you just claiming you were overwhelmingly, tremendously wrong all along?

    I was overwhelmingly tremendously wrong on Trump’s chances of being elected (until closer to the election) and I was overwhelmingly tremendously wrong of Trump not being fit for office.

    Are you going to admit you were overwhelmingly tremendously wrong on Trump’s chances of being elected and overwhelmingly tremendously wrong on Jeb Bush being a viable candidate for President?

  89. CG says:

    If anything Romney did “move on”, since he flatly said Democrats were wrong to try to force him to release his tax returns.

    Calling Romney names for what he said yesterday makes absolutely no sense at all, unless someone completely misread it.

    Remember, jason is the lazy reader and stubborn person who for hours insisted that Quincy Jones was claiming that the 4 year old Michael Jackson assassinated JFK.

  90. lisab says:

    Nobody was more anti-Trump than I was.
    ——————————————-

    ummmmmmmmmmm … you did not become unhinged or a pathetic loser because trump won

    so, that may not be entirely correct

  91. CG says:

    I never said Jeb had a good chance of being nominated. I was completely right that he was the best person to be President out of anyone who ran. Bar none.

    Were you tremendously and overwhelmingly wrong that Trump was a “racist” and a “con-man” and a “Klansman” and a “scumbag” as you said so many times for so long?

    You won’t say you were wrong on that for some reason.

    You simply no longer care because he won an election. Or you are pretending not to care.

  92. jason says:

    jason’s tact seems to be he meant whatever he said about Trump (and Romney) back then and he regrets nothing,”

    Exactly, it doesn’t. Not if there is new information that makes it moot.

    Whatever I thought of Trump’s chances or how he would govern are completely moot now.

    I have to admit he won and I have to admit I was wrong on how he was going to govern.

    My opinion of Trump at the time was based on the information I had. His “Mexican” comment on a federal judge, his contributions to Democrats, his asinine attacks on McCain’s military service, his protectionist and isolationist rhetoric, etc. Plus the fact I saw him delivering the election to Hillary.

    But now I judge him on how he governs, and a lot of it positive and some of it is negative. His personality and his past statements are no longer important when there are bigger issues to judge him than campaign rhetoric.

    If you weren’t a sanctimonious little prick, you would do the same. Support Trump where he is right and good for the country, criticize him where he isn’t.

  93. Tina says:

    Lol, cn and n source is funny here – “wholesale decapitation.” I know they have no “sources.”

    The President in recent weeks empowered Stephen Miller to lead the administration’s border policies “and he’s executing his plan” with what amounts to a wholesale decapitation or the Department of Homeland Security leadership, the official says.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/08/politics/randolph-tex-alles-secret-service-director/index.html

  94. Tina says:

    POTUS needs to,decapitate the corrupt Fib and justice remnants.

  95. jason says:

    Were you tremendously and overwhelmingly wrong that Trump was a “racist” and a “con-man” and a “Klansman” and a “scumbag” as you said so many times for so long?”

    I apologize to Trump if I ever called him a Klansman.

    As far as the other insults, I believed it at the time.

    I believed Romney to be an honorable guy. I no longer believe that, I now think he is just a unprincipled politician.

    Is it ok for me to change my view on Romney, or do I have to stay with my former impression against all the evidence?

  96. CG says:

    So, you still maintain he is a “scumbag”, a “racist” a “con-man” and a “Klansman”, even as you say you didn’t really mean it that you would vote for Bernie Sanders or the Ghost of Karl Marx before you would ever vote for Trump.

    But as long as he wins and does a couple things you like, that makes all the rest ok?

    Speaks volumes about you. You absolutely would excuse him for shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.

    You just completely confirm that you stand for nothing. Something could happen to Trump in which the Republican Party (which you claim you left over Trump) turns on him and you will turn on Trump all the same, as long as the people you want to look tough before online would agree with that.

    At least your wife and kids get it apparently.

  97. CG says:

    What you claim to believe on here is completely transactional. Nobody should take you seriously. You will change your tune on a dime. You just want to get along with others. You will say things just to say them and to try to look tough.

    People can dislike me here all they want. The things I said I believed in 2004 when I started posting here, I actually did believe and still do, regardless of whom wins or loses elections or what my “peers” say.

  98. jason says:

    I never said Jeb had a good chance of being nominated.”

    I bet that is a lie.

    Maybe someone else can debunk that BS.

    If I remember even after it was clear he was going nowhere you were still carrying the torch for him.

    And for someone who didn’t think he was going to be nominated, you sure did a great job of trashing anyone else that could maybe have beaten Trump.

    I understand you might be a little bit miffed that you probably helped Trump get nominated.

    Give more to the York ASPCA dogs, you will feel better.

  99. CG says:

    I still do not understand why if Romney is so “unprincipled” as it relates to Trump, he apparently spent a Meet the Press interview mostly defending Trump’s stated positions.

    He bent over backwards to be fair to Trump. The absolute smartest thing for Trump apologists would be to try to use Romney as a talking point on these issues.

    The people who should be mad at Romney for that are the Daily Kos crowd.

    -jason just had a false impression of what Romney said and now is trying to dissemble.

  100. jason says:

    (which you claim you left over Trump)”

    Ahh, the same lie Amoral Scumbag loves to tell.

    I never said I left the party because of Trump. Never.

    I always said Trump was a symptom of why I left the party, not the cause.

  101. mnw says:

    How’s that trollblog workin’ out, correetroll? I heard that the news in Tagalog had more hits.

    Brendan Kelly still closing fast, is he?

    Did your boss give you your iPhone back, or did he finally fire your goldbricking lil adz?

  102. CG says:

    All of this is irrelevant. I said Jeb Bush was the best candidate to be President because he had the best record. I considered him electable over Hillary and I completely would have been right on that. I never thought he was likely to be nominated. I said the voters should decide but I always expected I would probably be supporting Rubio after Jeb dropped out. Indeed that happened, and Rubio sank like a stone once Jeb dropped out (I voted strategically for Kasich in my state’s primary)

    I did not trash anybody except Trump. I pointed out that other candidates were less favorable to me than Rubio and Kasich, such as Ted Cruz, but I said I would easily support anyone except Trump in a general election, even as jason had about 3 or 4 names he said he could never vote for.

    Despite being a Jeb Bush supporter, I defended Rubio on here consistently against NYCMike’s charges that he was a RINO in bed with Chuck Schumer or lisab claiming he was secretly gay.

  103. jason says:

    At least your wife and kids get it apparently.”

    Huh, wrong again.

    My wife will vote for Trump next time around, she thinks the Dems running are nuts. She despises Biden a lot more than Trump, just like she despised Hillary more than Trump. She thinks Trump is a complete blowhard, don’t get me wrong, but she supports a lot of his policies.

    As for my kids, one likes Trump, one is agnostic, one really dislikes him.

    I don’t see any of them voting for a socialist.

    I think Trump gets 3 out of 5 votes, maybe 4.

    GFY.

  104. CG says:

    The one that really dislikes him and will not vote for him or a socialist sounds like the smartest one to me. That is what my position would be as your son as well.

    I hope you keep this anti-Trump son/daughter in your will.

    And please try to read more carefully next time.

  105. jason says:

    Despite being a Jeb Bush supporter, I defended Rubio on here consistently”

    Liar.

    You trashed Rubio non-stop here, and even brought up the garbage that he was ineligible, under the thinly veiled guise “I am not saying it, others are”.

    You trashed everyone not named Jeb, but it’s ok to feel guilty.

  106. Bitterlaw says:

    He may be too old in 2024 but if he did run for the nomination, I would have no problem voting for Romney. I would also consider Christie, Rubio and Haley. Because there is no ideology associated with Trump (he only believes in himself), there will be no “Trumpist” candidate.

  107. Tina says:

    I actually thrashed everybody, not named Hillary.

    -Jebot

  108. CG says:

    That argument is as dumb as Wes saying that Bitterlaw is to blame for corrupt Democrats in New Jersey.

    I stopped taking you seriously though anyway a while back.

  109. jason says:

    nd please try to read more carefully next time.”

    LOL

    You misread what I wrote, that is chutzpah.

    I clearly said “what was his first clue” meaning damm right the Dems are morons for seeking his tax returns

    GFY again.

  110. jason says:

    I am not sure my son won’t vote for Trump despite not liking him. He hates socialists too.

    I just wouldn’t count on his vote.

  111. CG says:

    Whatever jason says now about Romney is nowhere near as vicious as the things he said about Trump and whatever he says about me is nowhere near as mean as the things he said about the smallish group of Trump supporters here in 2015-2016.

    Whatever he says means nothing. He is merely roleplaying.

  112. CG says:

    I will probably post this link once a day. Since today is Day 1, I’ll do it twice.

    http://davidwissing.com/?p=23900#comments

  113. jason says:

    but I always expected I would probably be supporting Rubio ”

    Corey trashed Rubio for a year but “was going to support him”.

    I love it.

    What is funny is that it was ok for Corey to trash Rubio and then support him, but it’s not ok for me to trash Trump and now, based on his Presidency, support him against a socialist.

    I have to ignore his entire presidency because during the primaries, I trashed him and supported another candidate.

    The smallness of Corey’s mind and the shallowness of his thinking is astounding.

  114. CG says:

    There is not a post that can be found of me “trashing” Rubio. I defended him more than anyone. I said someone else was better qualified to be President. That is it. I “endorsed” Rubio the night of the South Carolina primary. It’s not my fault his campaign imploded once Rush Limbaugh and the talk radio crowd turned on him.

  115. jason says:

    I think if you add up all of Corey’s posts, when you discard the garbage, which is 95% of it, you can condense it to:

    “If you supported another candidate against Trump, and you trashed Trump doing it, you are not allowed to take into account years of subsequent facts, policies, decisions and results”

    Brilliant.

  116. jason says:

    There is not a post that can be found of me “trashing” Rubio.”

    LOL

    Ok. Attacking, lying about, spreading false rumors.

    Never once did Corey actually start his post by saying “I am going to trash Rubio”.

  117. CG says:

    Today, I am saying your attack on Romney makes absolutely no sense, since Romney was agreeing with Trump.

    The only explanation is that you misread something. You have done it countless times here before.

    Why wouldn’t you give Romney credit for siding with you on this matter then?

    My other broader point is that even if someone wins an election and even if you like a few things they do in office, when you exert so much energy saying someone is a “racist”, a “con-man, a “Klansman” and a “fraud”, and all the rest none of that should matter. They should still be unworthy. That is my view (although I never called him a “Klansman”, just “Duke-Lite”)

    So either you never meant those things in the first place and thus you may not mean anything you actually say at anytime, or you just are known to fly off the handle rhetorically and say anything and then try to get people to forget you said it, so forcefully, for so long.

  118. jason says:

    Whatever jason says now about Romney is nowhere near as vicious as the things he said about Trump”

    Probably not.

    I think Romney is an unprincipled self serving scumbag.

    I have called Trump worse than that.

    So……

  119. CG says:

    I never spread any false rumor about Rubio. I said from the outset I thought he would make a very good President and would be a very strong general election candidate.

    People associated with Trump supported spread false rumors about him, including that he was “ineligible” and I said how why they were wrong here, just as I have defended Trump, (whom I despise) here and elsewhere about things that are demonstrably false.

  120. jason says:

    since Romney was agreeing with Trump.”

    Can you ever think outside the box a little?

    I got that Romney was agreeing with Trump.

    AND I was making the point that notwithstanding, I would never support him again for public office and was sorry I supported him for the Senate.

    Both can be true, right. I made it a point to agree with Romney before moving on.

    Romney has been supportive of a wall. I get that. Trump also supports a wall.

    I still think Romney is an unprincipled ass.

  121. CG says:

    In that context, it makes no sense. You misread something or misunderstood something and since this happens to you so often, you are ashamed and won’t admit it. I can understand that.

    Nonetheless, you are still being a hypocrite, since Romney won his election (over a liberal Democrat)and supports the policies you claim to support (even more than you claim you do with Trump.)

    So, it’s complete hypocrisy for you to attack Romney and then also attack people who speak out against Trump.

    There are even more angles to your hypocrisy however. One is that agreed with and applauded Romney for saying for worse about Trump than the thing he did say to set you off and also the fact that other sitting Senators at the time, including Bob Corker and John McCain said much worse about Trump than Romney said in an op-Ed and you never criticized them at all for it.

    Your attacks on Romney ring false and are completely non-convincing. It just smacks of you feeling the need on here to defend Trump at all costs.

  122. jason says:

    Why wouldn’t you give Romney credit for siding with you on this matter then?”

    I did.

    Then I attacked him on his self-serving, moronic, back stabbing, unprincipled, MSM ass kissing, dishonest, lying op-ed.

  123. CG says:

    If a Trump supporter/apologist had an ounce of political common sense they would be saying the following and nothing but the following…

    “even Mitt Romney, who is very anti-Trump, says the Democrats are morons for trying to force his tax returns and that they will lose.”

    or

    “even Mitt Romney is very anti-Trump and who voted against the “national emergency” says that there is a crisis at the border that is getting worse and Democrat are wrong to play politics with the issue instead of supporting stronger enforcement at the border, etc.”

    But Trump supporters I suppose are just too dumb to understand politics. They follow their leader, who instead of talking about the economy, goes to podiums and bashes the dead John McCain and now the dead Barbara Bush as well.

    These are the reasons why Trump is likely to suffer a humiliating electoral defeat if he makes it that far.

  124. jason says:

    You misread something”

    How, exactly?

    “Romney calls those seeking Trump’s tax returns morons?

    What was his first clue”

    If I had just commented on what he said, you could claim I misread it. But I paraphrased it. And I gave him credit and agreed with him, even if I implied it was an obvious conclusion.

    You are unhinged.

  125. CG says:

    You gave him “credit” after I called you on it.

    Attacking him for his “op-ed” which was really fairly mild compared to all the other anti-Trump things said by him and others that you never complained about, and in fact used to agree with, makes no sense in this context.

    Even if someone honestly disliked what Romney said about Trump (and I do not for a second believe you actually did), they why then go and attack him in the present for showing that he is *even-handed* since he went out of his way to defend Trump.

    How in the world is literally going on Meet the Press to basically *defend* Trump the same thing as “sucking up to the MSM?” There is zero logic in that.

  126. jason says:

    oes to podiums and bashes the dead John McCain and now the dead Barbara Bush as well.”

    Right, and who defends the live and dead John McCain here from Trump’s asinine attacks than I do?

    If you were honest, you would say jason.

    But you are not honest.

  127. CG says:

    If anyone should be pissed at Romney for what he said on Meet the Press, it should be me, but I am not, since I recognize his consistency and even-handedness as well as the fact that he is a far nicer, more forgiving person than I am.

  128. CG says:

    You stopped defending McCain a long time ago.

    The only Trump voter/apologist who would criticize Trump for that on HHR these days is Bitterlaw.

  129. jason says:

    You gave him “credit” after I called you on it.”

    No, I gave him credit when I said “what was his first clue”.

    But you now admit you are just angry that someone called out Romney’s silly op-ed for what it really was.

    An self serving, lying, dishonest attempt to ingratiate himself with his MSM friends. A disgusting display of gutter politics like the one he pretended to be attacking. Unprincipled scumbag fits him just perfectly.

  130. CG says:

    The only problem with Romney’s Op-Ed from three months ago, is that he went out of his way in it to try to be fair to Trump.

    Everything else Romney said about Trump has been more than validated since. Trump continues to regress as a person.

  131. jason says:

    ou stopped defending McCain a long time ago.”

    Geezus, you ARE unhinged.

    Now you are really in lalaland.

  132. CG says:

    Again, as unconvincing with the Romney hate as you, (it’s if you claimed you suddenly hated steak), how do you reconcile him being “unprincipled” and “sucking up to the media” when he goes out of his way to tell the media that he agrees with Trump on two big fights he is having with Democrats?

    It.does.not.add.up.

    The only thing you can say is that you *want* Romney to be 100 percent anti-Trump because Romney is and always will be unworthy in every regard (like the Trumpists on the March 2016 thread were saying)

  133. CG says:

    The things McCain said about Trump were far more severe and harsh than a single word of what was in the Op-Ed three months ago.

    I wish McCain were around to write a much needed Op-Ed.

    For now, I think George Conway is writing the best ones.

  134. CG says:

    I have chosen to post here out of superstition the past hour and a half instead of checking out the Cubs’ score.

    My tactic worked as they are ahead 8-0 having now checked the score. Mission Accomplished.

    I think it’s now safe for me to leave here and go follow the game online.

    If the Cubs somehow blow today’s game, rest assured I will have no choice but to “troll” HHR in the future afternoons in a much bigger way.

  135. jason says:

    I took a quick look at recent threads.

    According to Corey, I stopped defending John McCain a “long time ago”.

    “jason says:
    March 1, 2019 at 8:28 am

    20 Good job Texas? Really?

    Nice anti-veteran post.

    He was a marine in Vietnam. He deserves your respect.”

    I guess this is some kind of idiotic post comparing this murderer to John McCain.

    Disgustingly stupid.

    GFY.”

  136. Phil says:

    Yeah, George Conway. Total loon.

  137. jason says:

    Did Corey say I should support Romney because I am much closer to him ideologically than I am to Trump?

    Nahh…. I mean that would be so…hmmm… unprincipled.

  138. Tina says:

    George Conway

    Triple Cheeseberger and A double order of Frings.

  139. jason says:

    I would have had no problem if Romney had written an op-ed where he limited himself to stating what major POLICY disagreements he has with Trump.

    But instead, it was a lowlife attack on Trump’s character and person, completely gratuitous especially considering Trump endorsed him for the Senate and he accepted the endorsement.

    If he wasn’t an unprincipled scumbag, he would have taken the opportunity to talk about where he and Trump could work together for the benefit of the party and country.

    Instead he chose to make it about himself and about kissing the MSM’s ass.

    For that reason, even if I am closer to him ideologically, I take the principled position of never supporting him for public office again.

  140. CG says:

    Wow, saying McCain isn’t a murderer, is defending him! What a standard.

    If John McCain were alive today, he would be saying that DJT is an inept, corrupt, disgrace. You would be attacking him for it and would claim that you changed your mind that McCain was never a hero. It’s more important to you that Tina not call you a name.

  141. CG says:

    The Romney op-ed from three months ago was very much on policy, praised Trump for policy matters, and absolutely discussed in detail where he wanted to work with the Administration.

    Reading is not your strong suit.

  142. jason says:

    See, Corey knows George Conway is a lightweight turd and complete loon.

    But here again, the ends justify the means.

    Corey talks about principle, but he will ally himself with the most unprincipled ass around if it serves his purpose.

    But the irony is he doesn’t see the hypocrisy.

  143. jason says:

    Right, the MSM had a field day with Romney’s op-ed, used it to bash Trump for weeks, because it was “praise for Trump”.

    I love it.

    Lalaland again.

  144. CG says:

    Here is the speech from March 2016 in which Romney was very harsh personally on Trump and jason agreed with every word. He went even further that day calling Trump a “Klansman” and said he would vote for the Ghost of Karl Marx before he ever voted for Trump and that he would celebrate when Hillary defeated Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/mitt-romney-speech.html

    Here is the much tamer, more conciliatory Op-ed published in January of 2019 which for some strange reason made jason turn on Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-president-shapes-the-public-character-of-the-nation-trumps-character-falls-short/2019/01/01/37a3c8c2-0d1a-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.34d4417fe155

    Compare and contrast as you wish.

    But Trump supporters who shift their entire worldview to fit whatever allows them to embrace DJT as their political Savior is the true TDS.

  145. CG says:

    There’s nothing “lightweight” about George Conway.

    He’s also very smart and has chosen to stay true to his principles.

    I hope his children inherited their mother’s metabolism and his brain and backbone.

  146. jason says:

    Let’s see…..obviously Corey and the MSM didn’t read the same op-ed…headlines:

    “Romney attacks Trump, now he’s a media darling | TheHill”

    “Trump fires back at Mitt Romney for scathing op-ed – CNNPolitics”

    Mitt Romney Says Trump ‘Has Not Risen to the Mantle of the Office …” NYT

    Mitt Romney calls out President Donald Trump in scathing op-ed” USA Today

    Mitt Romney Attacks Trump’s Character In ‘Washington Post’ Op-Ed …”

    Mitt Romney Says President Trump’s Character Falls Short | Time

    Trump slammed by Mitt Romney in op-ed – MSNBC.com”

    “ROMNEY PRAISES TRUMP – COREY”

  147. CG says:

    The jasonmeter-

    Trump was a “con-man” a “racist” a “fraud” and a “Klansman” and George Conway is a “loon” and a “turd.”

    He might be moving in the wrong direction.

  148. CG says:

    And Romney “defended” Trump yesterday (as he said in the Op-Ed he would always be willing to do as he deemed appropriate) and *you* attack him for it.

    I think you totally messed up how you read something strictly because of the history (i.e. Quincy Jones and making it sound like you wanted RBG dead) but otherwise you would have to be even worse than the MSM.

    You want to attack someone who defended Trump. Can you not keep your roleplaying personalities in check? Do you also post your anti-Trump screeds that you were well practiced on a different blog as well?

    You seem quite confused.

  149. jason says:

    Here is the speech from March 2016 in which Romney was very harsh personally on Trump and jason agreed with every word”

    Hello?

    You really don’t see the difference between a speech by a private citizen about candidate for office and something by a recently elected US Senator about the President of the United States from his own party?

    Are you REALLY that stupid?

  150. CG says:

    There shouldn’t be any difference at all. The truth is the truth and everyone has the right to speak it.

    A private citizen’s free speech is just as valid as a Senator or a President’s.

    You very often referred to Trump on here a “fascist” and now you are embracing the mindset.

  151. lisab says:

    never said Jeb had a good chance of being nominated.”
    —————————————-

    Corey says:

    Sure, Walker and Rubio look sane next to Trump, but Trump has been going after Jeb Bush the most.

    Maybe because Jeb is perceived as the frontrunner, but maybe also because he is Hillary’s stalking horse.

    ———————————————–
    Corey says:

    I know, I know, you people don’t want to hear it…

    Jeb Bush has had a pretty good campaign launch.

    Who knows what will happen over the next 9 months, but he is going to be tougher to beat for the nomination than most of you realize.

    Corey says:

    Some did not enter because of Bush’s money this time, (such as the most recent nominee) but before a contest has been held, it is a bit premature to say that his money edge will not have worked.

    The bottom line is the polls show that Jeb has just a good of a shot as winning as Walker and Rubio (and everyone else.) If you think none of them can win, then none of them can win, and we have to play out the stretch.

    I do not happen to believe that. My “gut feeling” is that Jeb Bush will be able to attract “swing voters” more than the other candidates. Probably a lot more than Walker, and because of the experience factor, maybe at least a bit more than Rubio. We did see that yesterday in the Qunnipiac polls out of Virginia, which some have discounted off the bat.

  152. jason says:

    and *you* attack him for it.”

    LOL

    Except I didn’t attack him for that.

    I used the opportunity to reiterate my view that he is a scumbag.

    I can do that and still agree with him on statements he makes, positions he takes, votes in Congress, etc. I will be the first to admit I probably would agree with more of Romney’s policies than I do with Trump’s.

    I don’t know why that is so difficult to understand.

  153. CG says:

    Corker and McCain were both sitting Senators of the Republican Party and spoke far more harshly and more personally against Trump. -jason never said a word. That was before Trump got his behind kicked in the midterms so panic set in for jason who underestimated the GOP House losses by 50%. (Imagine if I did that for the EV in 2016)

    In Romney’s Op-Ed, he specifically praised Trump on policy grounds and accomplishments. He didn’t need to do that and the media certainly did not give him any points for doing so. The media wasn’t going to give him any points for saying in the Op-Ed that Jeff Sessions (a man Trump savaged relentlessly in public) was a good pick for AG.

    Everything Romney said about Trump’s leadership style is completely valid and more apparent every day.

  154. CG says:

    I always disagreed with the perception that Jeb was the frontrunner.

    The national polls from April of 2015 for instance, and certainly a bit earlier would have had Rubio and Christie leading the pack.

  155. jason says:

    he is going to be tougher to beat for the nomination than most of you realize.”

    Yep, I knew Corey was going to be caught in the lie that “I never thought Jeb was going to be nominated”

  156. CG says:

    I did always speak to the view that Jeb was electable against Hillary or Bernie. (I expected Hillary) and I stand behind that totally. He would have won much bigger than Trump did.

    For a long time, even jason said he would admit the same.

  157. jason says:

    My “gut feeling” is that Jeb Bush will be able to attract “swing voters” more than the other candidates.”

    But, no, he didn’t think he would be nominated, he just thought he would get more swing voters.

    I love it.

    Tells so many lies he just can’t keep them straight.

  158. CG says:

    Yes, he was tougher to beat than you thought. After all, he beat out Rubio in NH.

    But I never thought Jeb would be nominated. I wish he would have been.

  159. CG says:

    Clearly, I was talking about the general election there in regards to swing voters.

    lisab insisted Rand Paul would be nominated by Republicans (he did far worse than Jeb) and jason, after predicting a Tim Pawlenty nomination in 2012 insisted that Rubio would be nominated in 2016. He didn’t do much better either.

    Buttigieg should curse the day you predicted his victory.

  160. jason says:

    Hillary would have crushed Jeb, and Corey knows it.

    I NEVER said Jeb would beat Hillary, never.

    I ALWAYS maintained he would be dogmeat.

    I might have said at some point he would do better than Trump, but win, no.

  161. CG says:

    You insisted throughout that Jeb would do better than Trump did.

    Then you said, “If Trump wins, I will have to admit Jeb would have won too.”

  162. mnw says:

    troll troll troll yer boat.

    feed that troll.

  163. CG says:

    See you next week.

  164. NYCmike says:

    “I said Jeb Bush was the best candidate to be President because he had the best record.”

    -Better than Scott Walker?

    I don’t think so. JEB never had to deal with the hostility from national Dems that Walker dealt with.

    Personally, if Wisconsin had JEB instead of Walker, most of the changes that Walker made would not have gone through. JEB would not have been tough enough.

  165. jason says:

    after predicting a Tim Pawlenty nomination in 2012 insisted that Rubio would be nominated in 2016.”

    More lies. I never said Pawlenty would be nominated, I said he might be a good candidate for the GE very early on in the process when candidate names were being thrown around, but the candidate I supported in 2012 was Romney.

    I supported Rubio in 2016, he certainly turned out to be a much better candidate than hapless Jeb, but I don’t know if I actually insisted he would be nominated, that sounds like BS. I certainly hoped he would.

  166. NYCmike says:

    “I was completely right that he was the best person to be President out of anyone who ran.”

    -Lot of good your delusion did for him.

  167. jason says:

    After all, he beat out Rubio in NH.”

    Tell me Corey is actually saying the guy that spent 200 million for 4 delegates and got his ass kicked in 12 debates in a row was a “tough” candidate?

    Really?

  168. CG says:

    1. NYC may not remember but there was a very big national movement against Jeb Bush in Florida over education and affirmative action matters. True, they did not have a recount.

    2. jason 100% supported Pawlenty over Romney until the day Pawlenty dropped out. When that happened, he said something along the lines of “well, I guess Romney it is. ZZZ or perhaps “yuck.” He can find the exact post from that day if he wants. He was far from enthusiastic about settling for Romney.

    The bottom line is that jason’s predictions suck.

  169. CG says:

    On policy matters, I appreciate what Scott Walker did in WI very much. He was among the candidates I thought would be very strong for 2016 as well. Trump came along and ruined that for Walker.

    Nonetheless, there is no modern 8 year period in any state in which conservative governance (and a switch towards Republican state government domination)… the closest may be the years Tommy Thompson was Governor of WI, over a decade before Walker…than the eight years that Jeb Bush governed Florida. His record of success is unassailable from a small government/conservative perspective and he clearly proved he had the ability to make inroads with the African-American and Hispanic vote. Remember DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe “promising” Jeb would lose reelection? Jeb won in a landslide.

    And whether deserved or not, Walker lost the Governorship to a Democrat after eight years. Jeb Bush was ineligible to seek another term, but he left office with very high approval ratings and turned the keys over to a Republican successor (at least one people thought would be a Republican. In many ways, Charlie Crist and jason are alike…. principles are completely transactional)

  170. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    As with every discussion, you refuse to acknowledge the role of an adversarial press, and how best to handle it in this increasingly polarized time.

    You need to either WIN the Presidency, or a socialist will take over.

    JEB!2016 did not have it in him to do that.

    Face that fact, and you will then start to be able to deal with current reality.

    And, of course, you don’t want a socialist to win in 2020…….of course not.

  171. CG says:

    I think Jeb would have been a strong general election candidate and a great President. He was not a good match for what Republican primary voters wanted in 2016. All those things can be true. The guy you wanted to win the nomination fared even worse than Jeb did and left office in his state about as popular as Jussie Smollett would be at a NewsMax gathering.

  172. CG says:

    I want a conservative to win in 2020. Time will tell if that is possible. (After all lisab has now moved on to the possibility that 72 year Trump may croak. We all know she isn’t voting for him either)

    Right now, there is not a conservative seeking the Presidency from either party.

    The closest may be William Weld. Heck, the closest may be Howard Schultz as an Independent. I will hope for more options. I guarantee you my one vote will not make the difference in Illinois (nor any other state.) I know you think I am “sanctimonious” as if I should think that is a bad thing, but I would much prefer to have a clean conscience about my voting history and many other things in my life when my time is up.

  173. jason says:

    Then you said, “If Trump wins, I will have to admit Jeb would have won too.”

    Yeah, since I thought Trump would not win.

    But I was wrong, Trump won and Jeb would not have won.

    But no matter how wrong I was in 2016, I could never have even come close to how wrong Corey was.

  174. CG says:

    “No matter how wrong Corey was in 2016, it couldn’t come close to matching how wrong I was in 2018.”

    Fixed it for you.

  175. lisab says:

    I know you think I am “sanctimonious”
    ——————————————-

    that is not the word

  176. lisab says:

    as for 2020

    i have no candidate yet

  177. CG says:

    Me either lisa. We have our own Caucus!

  178. lisab says:

    But no matter how wrong I was in 2016, I could never have even come close to how wrong Corey was.
    ————————

    not true, cory was worse

  179. lisab says:

    We have our own Caucus!
    —————————-

    you are a caucus of one

  180. CG says:

    You can’t spell caucus without “us.”

  181. lisab says:

    meeting

  182. CG says:

    I am practically certain that lisab and I have never voted for the same Presidential candidate before (i.e her for Jill Stein, me for Evan McMullin), so odds are we won’t be doing so in 2020. She will probably vote for some obscure leftist while defending everything DJT says and does.

    Somehow that will be “good enough” for many here.

  183. jason says:

    Jeb Bush is not a conservative and didn’t even pretend to be one in 2016. One of his most stupid comments, of which there are too many to mention, was “I will respect conservatives”, basically admitting he was not one himself.

    Yes, he governed as a conservative in FL, but either he changed over years in the speaker circuit or he decided conservatism would not sell in the age of Obama. He decided some kind of murky middle of the road, Hillary Lite strategy was the way to go. That is why he made other fatal errors like comparing illegal immigration to act of love and supporting common core after the Dems co-opted it for their purposes.

    Jeb was woefully unprepared, thought he was going to anointed with the nomination, and was decimated in the debates. His body language was horrendous and his campaign speeches atrocious. He not offer one reason anybody should vote for him and hardly anyone did.

    In short, he completely misread the mood of the electorate. He was the wrong man for the times and it showed.

    The idea that a horrendous candidate like Jeb in the primaries would morph into a strong candidate in the general is completely laughable and a fantasy only Corey can believe, I don’t even think Amoral Scumbag believed that after the fiasco in the debates and primaries.

    Jeb was arguably the worst “front runner” in the history of primaries. A complete flop, 4 delegates and hundreds of millions spent.

    You have to admit, when Corey is wrong, he is REALLY wrong.

  184. NYCmike says:

    ” The guy you wanted to win the nomination ”

    -I wanted the Republican candidate to win the general election in 2016.

    He did.

    I want the Republican candidate to win the general election in 2020.

    You, of course, don’t want the socialist to win the general election in 2020.

  185. CG says:

    -jason has it out for Jeb! for some weird, unknown reason. Does jason claim Trump is a conservative? He has said worse about the Pope though.

    Of course Jeb would have been a strong general election candidate (although I conceded that the less conservative Kasich might have been the strongest for a general) just like Joe Lieberman would have been the strongest Democrat against GWB in 2004.

    With one exception, Jeb was actually pretty strongly praised for his debate performances. The Fox News pundits kept saying “Jeb’s strongest debate yet… will it matter” after each one, and no, it didn’t matter. He was certainly the only one with the testicular fortitude early on to take on Trump face to face.

  186. CG says:

    “You, of course, don’t want the socialist to win the general election in 2020.”

    Certainly accurate technically.

    I also do not want the man whom jason would repeatedly refer to as a “socialist” a “con-man” a “fascist” a “Klansman” a “racist” and a “scumbag” to win the general election in 2020 either.

  187. Tina says:

    I want Hillary to win in 2020.

    -Jebot

  188. jason says:

    jason 100% supported Pawlenty over Romney until the day Pawlenty dropped out. When that happened, he said something along the lines of “well, I guess Romney it is. ZZZ or perhaps “yuck.” ”

    LOL

    Pawlenty dropped out after finishing 3rd in the IA Straw Poll, in August 2011, way over a year before the election.

    I was one of the most enthusiastic and early Romney supporters here for the entire primary season.

    What a load of crap, nobody was more pro-Romney here that I was, not even Corey.

  189. jason says:

    Jeb was actually pretty strongly praised for his debate performances.”

    Jeb didn’t win ONE debate. None. Nada. Zilch.

  190. jason says:

    Does jason claim Trump is a conservative?”

    Nope. Never did. Not once.

    Neither is Jeb.

    Next question?

  191. CG says:

    Nobody has ever been more pro-Romney than me. I admit that jason supported Romney over Perry and the others once the primaries started. I also agree that deep down jason very much respects and reveres Mitt Romney and wishes he were more like him. That is why jason’s sudden and contrived anti-Romney screeds feel so fake.

    jason supported Pawlenty and was openly upset when he dropped out. Pawlenty announced his candidacy, took part in debates, etc. He went around the country for a time criticizing Romney, but when he had a chance to do it in a debate, he demurred. Then, he dropped out and went to work for Romney.

    Why is jason denying he was all in on T-Paw?

  192. CG says:

    I think Jeb is a conservative and I wanted him to be President. Proud of it.

    You think Trump is not a conservative and also a fascist, racist, con-man, Klansman, scumbag and you still want him to be President. That says a lot about you.

    Goodnight to all.

  193. jason says:

    He was certainly the only one with the testicular fortitude early on to take on Trump face to face.”

    Trump ate his lunch debate after debate, mocked him to no end, and Jeb had no response.

    Not that I thought Trump won any debates either, I thought Rubio won most of them, with one notable exception when Christie decimated him.

    But Jeb clearly lost EVERY debate, it was not even close and nobody ever claimed he did.

    Fox said “Jeb’s best debate yet”? Hello? That was compared to his previous debate disaster? Let’s get real

  194. jason says:

    Why is jason denying he was all in on T-Paw?”

    Because he dropped out over a year before the election and was a complete non-factor. He never even competed in one primary.

    You are an idiot.

  195. jason says:

    I also agree that deep down jason very much respects and reveres Mitt Romney and wishes he were more like him.”

    I have lost all respect for Mitt Romney.

    I wouldn’t support him for dog catcher in my county.

    When is Corey going to admit he was wrong about somebody?

    The answer is never, he still thinks a guy who had all the money, all the endorsements, all the organization and spent 200 million dollars for 4 delegates, lost every debate and every primary, was a good candidate.

  196. Bitterlaw says:

    Yes, he was tougher to beat than you thought. After all, he beat out Rubio in NH.

    So beating somebody who also lost proves JEB! was tough to beat. Wow. JEB! also got more votes than I did in NH. Hard to see how he lost the nomination.

  197. jason says:

    But no matter how wrong I was in 2016, I could never have even come close to how wrong Corey was.
    ————————

    not true, cory was worse”

    Kory was a Kanadian Kommunist, but ok, Corey beat him out.

    I stand corrected.

  198. jason says:

    So beating somebody who also lost proves JEB! was tough to beat. Wow. JEB! also got more votes than I did in NH. Hard to see how he lost the nomination.”

    I don’t really think Corey wants to compare how Rubio did compared to Jeb.

    Regarding NH, what Corey is bragging about is that “tough to beat” Jeb came in 4th with 11% of the vote while Rubio had 10.6%.

    When I said Corey was small minded and shallow, there is a shining example of it.

  199. jason says:

    Now for some good news.

    “A rhinoceros poacher in a South Africa wildlife preserve was stomped to death by an elephant and eaten by lions, authorities said. Rangers at Kruger National Park found his skull and trousers.”

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    I would vote for Romney for President again. I would not vote for Tina. Sorry, Tina. Mitt ran for offices. You never did.

    You are still my favorite secret agent.

  201. Bitterlaw says:

    Here is another feel good story from Africa:

    https://afropunk.com/2019/04/lion-mama-south-africa-nokubonga-qampi/

    Lion Mama killed one of men raping her daughter and stabbed 2 others.

  202. jason says:

    Against a socialist in the GE, I would certainly vote for Romney again.

    I just won’t support his candidacy for anything again.

  203. jason says:

    I think the reason Corey is so unhinged is that he realizes those that threw hundreds of millions down the Jeb rathole and supported him instead of investing in a better candidate like Rubio was a big reason Trump won.

    So in essence, Corey is feeling guilty that of all people here at HHR, he probably did the most to actually get Trump elected.

    That is a terrible cross (no offense intended) to bear.

  204. jason says:

    Dang, I wonder if there is room in Messy’s remedial program, there is some bad grammar in that first sentence.

  205. jason says:

    You think Trump is not a conservative and also a fascist, racist, con-man, Klansman, scumbag and you still want him to be President. That says a lot about you.”

    I think Corey poisons animals in his neighborhood, looks in people’s windows at night, steals candy from stores, and puts ketchup on hot dogs. That says a lot about him.

  206. NYCmike says:

    “I also agree that deep down jason very much respects and reveres Mitt Romney and wishes he were more like him.”

    -The fact that “CG” holds any person, especially a politician, in such high regard while only knowing that person through third-person reporting is very scary. I never thought a so-called “conservative” would be such a fan of any living person involved in politics.

  207. NYCmike says:

    In 2016, jason thought things about Trump that have been proven wrong in the period from November 9, 2016 – April 8, 2019.

    In 2016, jason thought things about Trump that have been proven correct in the period from November 9, 2016 – April 8, 2019.

    In 2019, “CG” still can’t find happiness in seeing a socialist like Hillary Clinton defeated, and will not acknowledge the many good things that the current President has done which, as he has said himself, would have been done by most of the other Republican candidates running in the 2016 primaries.

    In 2020, “CG” will be happier if Trump loses and a Democratic candidate wins, than if Trump wins and the Democratic candidate loses.

  208. NYCmike says:

    Of course, “CG” doesn’t want the Democratic candidate to win.

  209. Tgca says:

    I’m not a fan of Gov. Mitt “Abortion” Romney.

    I’m not a fan of President George “Sexual Assaulter” Bush.

    I’m not a fan of Gov Jeb “My Family are Clinton Supporters” Bush.

    I generally support Wes’ favorite Republican President George W. Bush.

  210. NYCmike says:

    WOW! Romney took those positions to get a little over 40% of the vote.

    I have said it before – wonderful man (as far as the reports go), terrible political instincts.

    And I say this as a person who liked him more and more FOR the things he was saying during the 2012 campaign. I started out voting AGAINST OBAMA, but ended up voting FOR ROMNEY.

    Fast-forward to 2018-19, the guy still doesn’t realize how badly the media sand-bagged him.

  211. Tgca says:

    Not only did Romney support ABORTION, he Whole-heartedly and vigorously supported it as a middle-aged man in his mid-40s. So next time I hear someone complain about Trump’s changing positions or his past loyalty, let this be a reminder of other GOP POTUS candidates and their positions.

  212. jason says:

    Chris Coons then and now:

    “Mr. Coons said that Christine Blasey Ford and Deborah Ramirez “have nothing to gain” and have put themselves “at legal risk” by accusing Mr. Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct in his teen years.

    “It is Judge Kavanaugh who is seeking a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court and who I think now bears the burden of disproving these allegations,” said Mr. Coons in a Monday interview on MSNBC, “rather than Dr. Ford and Deborah Ramirez who should be dismissed with slanderous accusations.”

    Now re Biden:

    “There are folks who, I think, are coming forward and standing up about this because they support other candidates, and there are folks who, I think, are coming forward out of a genuine sense of feeling disrespected or unappreciated,” Coons, who is Biden’s successor in the Senate, said in an appearance on CNN.”

  213. jason says:

    So a woman comes up with a decades old accusation that she was held down in a room in a house but she doesn’t remember where or even when with no other corroborating witness, but its Kavanaugh’s burden to “disprove this allegation”.

  214. jason says:

    Pelosi on AOC’s Green Deal

    “It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” Pelosi said dismissively. “The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it, right?”

  215. jason says:

    The green dream, or whatever they call it,”

    Ouch

  216. lisab says:

    Alec Baldwin Flirts With Presidential Run, Says Beating Trump Would Be “So Easy”

  217. lisab says:

    Cory Booker introduces Senate bill on slavery reparations

  218. Tom says:

    Christine Blasey Ford was a serial liar. She lied about being afraid of flying. She lied about the reason for installing a separate door in her house. She probably lied about not knowing that the Judiciary committee offered to come to her. The fact that not one single person she named as a witness collaborated her story indicates that she was lying about the whole thing.

  219. Tom says:

    And while we’re at it, how come none of the other accusers who were proven to be liars never faced any prosecution? I effing despise liberals.

  220. jason says:

    It was a ploy to derail the nomination, almost worked. No house, no date, no witnesses. And still almost good enough to destroy Kavanaugh’s career and personal life.

    What did that scumbag Blumenthal say..there’s a “pattern” of “vile, predatory, sexual misconduct.”

  221. Bitterlaw says:

    It is always amusing when somebody who never had the guts to run for anything calls Romney a quitter.

  222. jason says:

    Is that the new standard?

    I never ran for anything, I hope its ok for me to call Romney an unprincipled horse’s ass.

  223. Chicon says:

    227 – unprincipled llama’s ass.

  224. jason says:

    I didn’t know Quittens meant quitter. I thought it had something to do with kittens.

    I learn new things here every day.

    Yesterday I learned I wasn’t really a Romney supporter in 2012 because I had supported another candidate who dropped out after the Iowa straw poll in August 2011, 15 months before the election.

    I also learned that because I called Trump a bunch of names during the 2016 primaries, I should stick with my views about Trump from then because his 2 years + as actual President are irrelevant to any assessment of him.

    I learned Jeb Bush was a “tough candidate” to beat, since he came in 4th in NH and beat out Rubio there by 0.4%.

    I learned when TGCA went to donate blood yesterday they extracted 10 lbs of sugar.

  225. jason says:

    unprincipled llama’s ass.”

    Hmmm.. that’s a touchy subject.

  226. Chicon says:

    Mnw – saw your post about the Hawks. I really wanted to knock the Preds off the top spot. Can’t stomach them. Hawks straightened themselves out in the 2nd half. Couple trades helped, but still more to do. Maybe we can see a Blues/Hawks playoff series next year.

  227. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You can criticize anybody for any reason. However, if your reason is stupid, I will call you on it. Tina accuses Romney of being a quitter when he campaigned hard until the end of the 2012 election. Since she never ran for office, I think her condemnation rings hollow.

    Personally, I wish that every time a bill came up for a vote that Romney would say, “President Trump is a vile, horrible person. He has no redeeming qualities other than not being Hillary Clinton. However, in the real world there are times you have to support vile, horrible people when the other side is worse. I vote yes on this bill supported by the President and hope President will GFH.”

  228. mnw says:

    RAS today: 53/45

    Strongly appv/disappv: 37/36

    This could well be noise/outlier. These numbers are unprecedented, as fas as I can remember. You’d have to get in the payback machine, that’s for sure.

  229. Chicon says:

    RCP Trump Job Approval is 44-52. Rasmussen is an outlier to say the least. Why?

  230. jason says:

    Bitter, I don’t think the people of Utah elected Romney to write Op-eds full of character assassinations of the President in order to ingratiate himself with the MSM and become, as the The Hill said, “the new media darling”.

    I would prefer when a bill comes up to a vote, that he votes his conscience on whether it benefits the country and his constituents.

    “However, in the real world there are times you have to support vile, horrible people when the other side is worse.”

    This is true, but if the other side is worse, why give them the tools to bash you with, or was there any other result from Romney’s Op-Ed?

  231. jason says:

    The 44% Trump has in the RCP average is very close to his actual vote total in 2016.

    Considering the 2 years of 95% MSM bashing and investigations it’s pretty incredible he has been able to retain that much support.

  232. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Traitor Robert E. Lee Surrenders Day!

  233. Bitterlaw says:

    I would not have written that Op-Ed but I have no issue with Romney doing it. No reason to pretend he likes Trump. I never do.

  234. jason says:

    As far as the 2012 election, I don’t agree that Romney quit before it was over.

    Contrary to what Amoral Scumbag said here for months, Romney actually ran a decent campaign.

    Could he have been more combative against Amoral Scumbag’s and the MSM’s narrative that he was a vulture capitalist bent on killing babies and seniors, etc., maybe. Romney probably thought that his demeanor and personality had worked for him in the past in his successful career in business and politics, and it would have been out of character for him to strike out, just as it would be out of character for Trump to take any attack lying down.

    He certainly falls way short in his new attack dog persona now.

  235. Chicon says:

    Is 235 about Romney, or McCain?

  236. Chicon says:

    236 – I agree. I’m wondering how Rasmussen is such an outlier, and for so long.

  237. jason says:

    No reason to pretend he likes Trump. I never do.”

    That’s fine. He doesn’t have to pretend. I have never pretended to like Trump either.

    But if you are recently elected to the Senate with the endorsement of the President, instead of taking a forward looking stance on how you might use your newly elected position to further a positive agenda for the country, you immediately and gratuitously write a character assassination piece for no other purpose than to curry favor with the MSM, I don’t have to pretend he is nothing but an unprincipled scumbag either.

  238. jason says:

    Is 235 about Romney, or McCain?”

    Romney.

    If Trump wanted support from McCain, maybe he shouldn’t have said McCain was not a war hero because he was captured.

    There is no coming back from something THAT stupid.

  239. jason says:

    Happy Traitor Robert E. Lee Surrenders Day!”

    Hey Ma, let’s move upstream, this spot is taken.

  240. jason says:

    Oh wait, can I take that back?

    CG says:
    April 8, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    You stopped defending McCain a long time ago.”

    I forgot.

  241. Bitterlaw says:

    Can you actually assassinate Trymp’s character? He does not have any. It would be like killing a ghost or abusing a unicorn. Impossible to do.

  242. Chicon says:

    243 – it is okay for McCain to ignore what he thinks is right for the country because he hates Trump, but not Romney. Because Trump was even meaner to McCain. The Jason standard.

    Go back to 235 and replace UT with AZ, and Romney with McCain. You got in a full lather over both – just in opposite directions.

  243. CG says:

    Let the record also show that after Romney wrote his fairly tame Op-Ed, a majority of Utahns said they agreed with it.

    Romney says that his Town Hall participants, when asked by him, regularly say that he should be tougher on Trump, rather than easier

    A recent poll among Utah Republicans show that Romney would solidly defeat Trump in a Utah primary if that matchup were to occur.

    Apparently, Trump is a snowflake who needs to be immune to criticism, after his midterm shellacking.

  244. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzz. McCain never voted against a Repeal and Replace Obamacare bill because that Bill was never before the Senate when Trump was President.

  245. Chicon says:

    Bitter – Romney is playing the role of McCain. Just pointing out the different treatment they receive here.

  246. CG says:

    McCain said much worse things about Trump than what Romney had in the Op-Ed.

    So did Bob Corker, when Corker was in the Senate. Never a peep that Corker was a “disloyal scumbag” from the newcomer on the claim.

    And I still wonder why if Romney has a pure anti-Trump agenda in coordination with the MSM, that he would go on Meet the Press and say he agreed with Trump on two major points of controversy these days.

    Of course, in the very Op-Ed he wrote, he also wrote about various things that he agreed with the Trump Administration on and said that he would speak his mind as needed, both pro and con moving forward.

  247. CG says:

    Also, Romney did not ask for Trump’s endorsement in Utah and surely did not need it.

    Romney won a huge majority in Utah. Trump had a clear majority in Utah vote for someone else when he ran. Trump cost Romney votes in Utah in 2018. Luckily for Republicans, Romney is so much more popular and respected in that state than Trump will ever be.

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi – You should be happy if Romney plays the role of McCain. Always good to have a conservative voting record in the Senate.

  249. DW says:

    “Cory Booker introduces Senate bill on slavery reparations”

    So what exactly does that look like? My ancestors were all from the north, and in fact one set of ancestors assisted the escaped slaves, helping them get to Canada. Does that earn me a cut in the reparations? Or does it merely exempt me from having to pay? or do I have to pay just because my ancestors are all from northern Europe originally, and moved to the new world, the New England area at the same time slavery was going on in the south?

    What about American blacks whose ancestors were from Africa and sold other blacks to the slave trading ships bound for America. Do they get in on the reparations too, or do they have to pay?

  250. Chicon says:

    Bitter – I’m not upset he’s in the Senate. I agree with Jason’s posts about Romney. I applied the same standard to McCain.

  251. jason says:

    t is okay for McCain to ignore what he thinks is right for the country because he hates Trump,”

    Zzzzz…

    Trump made his bed and is still having to lie in it.

    It was his choice to offend McCain’s military record with a stupid, unforgivable and asinine comment.

    You reap what you sow. McCain supported Trump on several votes, not all of them. I might wish it were different, but Trump can certainly share the blame.

    Romney, on the other hand, had no reason to suck up to the MSM with a pure character assassination OP-ED except for self serving purposes. He could have spelled out policy differences without saying Trump “hadn’t risen to the mantle of Presidency” and garbage like that.

  252. jason says:

    Also, Romney did not ask for Trump’s endorsement in Utah and surely did not need it.”

    Another lie, he certainly did accept Trump’s endorsement.

  253. jason says:

    Btw, I stopped defending McCain “a long time ago”.

    Just making conversation.

  254. lisab says:

    Does that earn me a cut in the reparations? Or does it merely exempt me from having to pay?
    ———————-

    no … bacause the black population, including those in the north, including recent arrivals from africa

    do worse economically than whites due to built in systemic policies which hurt blacks

    (of course they don’t mention that the built in systemic policies which hurt blacks are the “great society” policies, but … shhhhhhhh)

  255. jason says:

    “Mitt Romney
    ?Verified account @MittRomney

    Thank you Mr. President for the support. I hope that over the course of the campaign I also earn the support and endorsement of the people of Utah.”

  256. jason says:

    Romney won a huge majority in Utah. Trump had a clear majority in Utah vote for someone else when he ran.”

    Wow, gets the intellectual dishonesty prize of the day.

    Of course, Trump was in a 3 way race with McMullin and Hillary, he certainly would have had a “clear majority” in a race between him and Hillary.

    And of course, there is no evidence Trump “cost Romney votes”, and plenty of evidence Trump’s endorsement helped Romney.

  257. lisab says:

    i don’t know if you remember an old tv show called “Good Times” that was on many years ago, i saw it on Nick at Night long after it had ended. it was a spin off of Maude and All in the Family.

    in any case, it had Esther Rolle and John Amos on it and also Jimmy Walker. it was supposed to be like a poor version of “The Jeffersons”, but instead of “moven on up … to the top … to a deluxe apartment in the skies”, it was supposed to be about a poor inner city black family that did not divorce and fought for jobs and education etc.

    unfortunately Jimmy Walker became a popular clownish character on the show, much to the dislike of the two leads.

    later in life jimmy walker even came out against affirmative action.

    basically the three actors thought/think that black americans need to work hard, study hard, stay away from crime and drugs and raise stable families with two parents.

    ———————————————

    Rolle was vocal about her hate of his character. In a 1975 interview with Ebony magazine she stated:

    He’s 18 and he doesn’t work. He can’t read or write. He doesn’t think. The show didn’t start out to be that…Little by little—with the help of the artist, I suppose, because they couldn’t do that to me—they have made J.J. more stupid and enlarged the role. Negative images have been slipped in on us through the character of the oldest child.[7]

    Although doing so less publicly, Amos also was outspoken about his dissatisfaction with the J.J. character. Amos stated:

    The writers would prefer to put a chicken hat on J.J. and have him prance around saying “DY-NO-MITE”, and that way they could waste a few minutes and not have to write meaningful dialogue.
    ————————————–

  258. Chicon says:

    Romney is doing the McCain playbook to a tee. To Jason, that’s a problem for Romney, but for McCain? Nope, we’ll engage in some Clintonian parsing to give him a pass.

  259. lisab says:

    looks like bibi lost the election

  260. Bitterlaw says:

    I loved Good Times. I watched it during its original run as a child. I never really thought of them as a “black family.” I just thought it was a funny show and it was cool they lived in an apartment in a city.

  261. lisab says:

    well part of the premise surely was that black families should have the same priorities as any other familiy

    it originally was supposed to be a good role model for black families that were no longer being red-lined. that was actually a major plot point in the jefferson’s story line).

    it was set right during the time of busing and white flight from the cities to the suburbs and they originally wanted to do all kkinds of socially related storylines

    and then jimmy walker said, “dynomite” , and it all went to crap.

  262. lisab says:

    jude law, 46, is showing off an incredible beach body in the daily mail today!

    but as was pointed out on seinfeld … i think there is some shrinkage going on there 🙂

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6902551/Jude-Law-46-displays-incredibly-ripped-physique-unholy-white-trunks.html

  263. CG says:

    Once again, Romney never asked for Trump’s Senate endorsement and certainly did not need it.

    Trump is the fool for endorsing him perhaps. He stated that Romney is a “straight shooter.” That is what he did in his op-ed. Nobody suggested Romney said anything that is actually untrue. They are just ashamed to have it admitted in public about Trump.

    I would say that Bitterlaw will have the chance to visit the apartment the Evans Family lived in on Good Times when he comes to Chicago this month, but it is probably in one of the high-rise projects that was torn down in the 90s.

  264. Chicon says:

    CG thinks Romney and McCain were justified in their treatment of Trump. I think both are/were wrong. Jason? He has “nuanced” views. Oh, well, he does eat quite well.

  265. NYCmike says:

    “They are just ashamed to have it admitted in public about Trump.”

    -“CG”,

    Do you actually read what people write?

    The issue is not what Romney said in the Op-Ed, or on the TV shows.

    The issue is that he does not recognize that the media is using him, like the used McCain, to bang any Republican over the head.

    Eventually, they will do it to Romney…..AGAIN, just like they savaged him in 2012. Why give the media the ammunition to go after others in your party, when the media will do the same to him if needed?

  266. NYCmike says:

    Romney and McCain ARE JUSTIFIED in how they feel about Trump.

    That doesn’t mean either one of them should help the media.

  267. CG says:

    jason is simply a fraud. It’s easily explained. Every principle he has ever claimed to have is transactional. When he tries to defend himself, he just digs a bigger hole.

    I will agree that people like Chicon, while I disagree strongly with them, are at least consistent and able to explain themselves in a cogent manner.

  268. CG says:

    I don’t think Romney cares about the media component. Romney feels it is his duty to speak his mind, whether he praises Trump or criticizes him. I think he praises him too much.

    The people of Utah certainly had no problem with what Romney did and clearly have a strong preference for Romney over Trump.

    So, anyone outside of Utah who has a problem with them having the Senator they want should probably GFY… which may or may not be legal there.

  269. CG says:

    Over the past couple months, current Republican Senators Chuck Grassley and Johnny Isaacson have been harsher on Trump, when speaking to reporters, than anything said in the Op-Ed.

  270. Chicon says:

    Mike, thoughts on Isles v. Hated Penguin? I’ll be pulling hard for the Isles.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “I just thought it was a funny show and it was cool they lived in an apartment in a city.”

    -On the other hand, if a person actually lived and worked in the city, you could see how much of a struggle it was to try to get out of those sheotholes called “projects” (YES, I know it was Chicago, and not NYC). It was a good show, and funny, but also very upsetting, as I was pretty young when JJ lost his Dad in one of the episodes, and I can still remember the pain that Florida showed. She was a great actress, in that role anyway.

  272. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think Romney cares about the media component.”

    -And his sh*t smells likes flowers as well.

  273. CG says:

    I’ve only seen a few re-runs of Good Times over the past couple of years, but am familiar with all of Norman Lear’s shows.

    The family lived in public housing and was on food stamps. The younger son, who wanted to be a lawyer and one day become President, was a black militant. JJ was the breakout character. Apparently, he now gets it on with Ann Coulter.

  274. NYCmike says:

    “Mike, thoughts on Isles v. Hated Penguin? I’ll be pulling hard for the Isles.”

    -I’ll take any help I can get!

    The Islanders can beat them, but you can never slack off against a team with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel, etc. Our defense and goaltending better play as well as they have all year, and even step it up a bit.

  275. CG says:

    did my Good Times comment go thru?

  276. CG says:

    Indeed it did. Dynamite

  277. NYCmike says:

    Chicon,

    I never hated the Penguins. I found it very hard to dislike Lemieux back in the 80’s/90’s, such a rare combination of size and skill, and Crosby has such a great work ethic that I always liked him.

  278. CG says:

    So, you wouldn’t deport 50% of the foreign NHL players?

    Are they not taking jobs American hockey players could be doing?

  279. Chicon says:

    McCain’s dog died today in an accident. That stinks.

  280. CG says:

    If the Maple Leafs win the Cup, I bet Cory returns.

  281. NYCmike says:

    The Maple Leafs have a better chance to win than Trump did, according to the “experts”.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Is Chicon worried that Romney and McCain hurt Trump’s feelings?

    Corey needs to accept that it is possible to hate Trump AND want Democrats to lose every election and every vote while Trump is President. I manage it.

  283. CG says:

    I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life. I almost certainly won’t vote for one for President in 2020. My vote makes no difference. We all know that. It also needs to be accepted that I think Trump is worse than a Democrat.

    In the meantime, why not just hope Trump isn’t nominated?

  284. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump cost Romney votes in Utah in 2018. Luckily for Republicans, Romney is so much more popular and respected in that state than Trump will ever be.”

    What do you base this claim on? In 2018 Romney won with 62.59% of the vote; with the Democratic candidate getting 30.91% of the vote. 6.51% went to conservative candidates from the Constitution, Libertarian and Independent American party. In 2012, Orrin Hatch won with 65.8% of the vote, with 30.2% for the Democratic candidate; and only 3.2% for the conservative candidate from the Constitution party. Romney finished 3% lower because about 3% more voters chose conservative minor candidates in 2018. The Democrat candidate obtained about 30% of the vote in each election.

    Should point out that Senator Mike Lee, when he ran in 2016, pulled 68.1% of the vote. With the Democrat getting only 27.1%. The minor conservative party candidate received 4.8%. Trump’s candidacy did not appear to drag down his totals.

    Utah is a prosperous and successful state; its economy is booming and its middle class doing well. If the rest of the U.S. was like Utah, doubt Trump would be president. It striking the contrast traveling between California, with its sense of hopelessness, while Utah which is thriving, and whose social fabric still reflects conservative social values.

    In 2020, I will likely hold my nose and vote for Trump. I expect the majority of Utahns will also. I dislike Trump as a person, but respect what he has done in changing the direction of the country and the economy. Unfortunately, it required a strong-willed, pig-headed, abrasive person to accomplish what Trump did.

  285. CG says:

    When most recently asked, the majority of Utahns have said they will not vote for Trump in 2020.

    Clearly, the state prefers Romney to him. Romney won big in 2018 but not by the margin he won the state by in 2012. Either the state has moved to the left (doubtful) or the same thing happened to Republicans in 2018 there that happened to them in all other 49 states… an anti-Trump backlash.

  286. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is worse than a Democrat? Ask Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh if they agree.

  287. CG says:

    They very well might. They just aren’t going to say so publicly, nor need to. Same with John Roberts.

    I have little doubt that Kavanaugh is an unrepentant Bush Republican.

    Trump is scum as a human. You agree. When that is the opening premise, for me, nothing else matters, regardless of whatever “talents” or “skills” they may posses. I happen to think Trump possesses very little that is useful anyway.

  288. CG says:

    The exit polls from Israel (which of course are not official results) show that Netanyahu’s Likud Party has lost to the Blue and White Party.

    I expect tremendous tempter tantrums here from others and all sorts of “what kind of Jew are you” but I hope that is the result.

    I have supported Netanyahu and his party many times in the past, but his time to go should be here. Term limits are a good thing. There are questions about his personal corruption and I also do not like the way he has tried to hang on to power by associating with fringe elements, nor his ass kissing of Trump.

    If he is unseated, it will not be by the leftist Labor Party. They are an afterthought this election. Instead, it is a “centrist” coalition led by someone who is most certainly a hawk on security matters. Benny Gantz is no leftist.

    So, *if* his party wins, it would be akin to the what would happen if the Democrats here basically stood aside and allowed the NeverTrump Republicans to lead the way with someone and a platform that was actually electable and had the capacity to bring a coalition together. It sounds almost too good to be true.

  289. CG says:

    Varying exit polls, all showing a close race now. Both Netanyahu and Gantz will work to try to put together enough votes in the Knesset to form a government. Very different than the U.S. system. The “left” in Israel though is pretty much out in the cold.. (or would it be humidity?)

  290. Todd McCain says:

    Still seems to me that N is more likely to be able to form a government.

  291. CG says:

    Meanwhile, here in the US this past weekend, Ilhan Omar spoke to a group of American Jews and repeatedly referred to Netanyahu as “your Prime Minister.”

    Oh wait, that wasn’t Omar. That was Donald Trump.

  292. CG says:

    “How the hell did you support President Obama?” he asked the audience. “How did you do it?”

    This is what he asked the Republican Jewish Coalition? Probably nobody in attendance in that room supported Obama. It was a gathering of Republicans. It seems like he wasn’t able to put their Jewishness aside to recognize that.

    The members of the RJC have voted for and contributed to far few Democrats than Donald Trump has. They should be asking the question of him how he could have supported Carter, Mondale, and the Clintons.

  293. CG says:

    Against Obama, McCain received 21% of the Jewish vote and Romney upped that to 31%.

    Against Hillary, Trump received 24%.

    So, he is no position to ask any Jewish group why they voted for Obama, when more voted against Obama’s reelection than they did for Trump, but especially not a prominent Republican group, that always votes Republican, and since they still show up to events and went to see him speak, haven’t left the party over Trump either.

    The “why did you vote for Obama” badgering would be better saved for his friend Kanye West or all the blue collar downscale voters that switched for 2016.

    Among others, the answers would certainly include, “because he wasn’t Hillary” or “wasn’t a woman.”

  294. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Clearly, the state prefers Romney to him. Romney won big in 2018 but not by the margin he won the state by in 2012.”

    That is a given, and I previously posted that poll.

    To say that Trump hurt Romney in 2018 is not correct. Romney was a few points below Hatch’s 2012 total, and the Democratic vote the same. About 3% of the vote went to conservative minor party candidates. In 2018 as in 2012 against Hatch the Democrat pulled only 30%. Likewise, despite Trump, Senator Lee was re-elected by a large margin in 2018.

    Hillary Clinton pulled all of 27% of the vote in Utah in 2016. Given a choice between Trump and a leftist Democrat; Trump will win Utah in 2020 — Utahns will do what I likely will, hold their nose and vote Trump. By the way I voted McMullin in California in 2016.

  295. CG says:

    Trump hurt Republicans to some extent in all 50 states in 2018. That is not uncommon for Presidents’ parties in midterms, but 2018 had a definite anti-Trump motivation behind it.

    This was not as prevelant in red states though. Certainly a bunch of OnlyTrump deadenders also withheld their votes from Romney.

  296. CG says:

    Did Trump help or hurt Mia Love?

  297. CG says:

    In 2012, many on the right certainly withheld support from Orrin Hatch, whom at the time was considered a “RINO traitor” far more to the extent that Romney has been called that.

  298. CG says:

    Mike Lee was not up for reelection in 2018.

  299. DW says:

    This very disturbing, sickening, and disgusting, all rolled into one:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/employees-quit-nhs-transgender-clinic-over-kids-experimental-treatments/

    Same category as the horrific things Hitler’s goons did to experiment on live Jewish children.

  300. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    302. Typo. Change that to 2016.

  301. Phil says:

    Well, Jason and SanDiego are at least two votes Trump gets in 2020 that he didn’t get in 2016. That’s encouraging.

    Despite all the talk from the Never Trumper Republicans in 2016 exits showed Trump getting 90 percent of the Republican vote which is about normal for a Republican nominee. I think he will improve on that by a point or two in 2020 vs any socialist the Democrats nominate….in fact, I’m certain of it.

  302. CG says:

    That’s a loaded comparison. The Jewish children and their families were not asking to be experimented on, and the “experiments” almost always resulted in their death.

    Perhaps the question should be asked at what age would be it appropriate for a child who insists they were born in the wrong body, with parental consent, to voluntarily begin the medical procedure to change genders? There are obviously issues related to the time clock of puberty to begin this as it relates to how they will be able to live the rest of their lives.

    For some, the answer would simply be never and they deny that it is even possible to be transgender and that such a concept should never even be recognized. In 2019, I think that is a vast minority opinion in the U.S.

    What do the pro-Trump LGBT Caucus here think?

  303. CG says:

    With the number of people identifying as Republicans continuing to shrink dramatically, he will need to do a lot better than just 2 percent.

  304. Phil says:

    88% actually – the same percentage that Hillary polled among Dems.

  305. CG says:

    Abortion for purposes of sex-selection or because a baby may be at risk of an illness and certainly post-birth infanticide are more apt comparisons to the atrocities of Hitler.

  306. Phil says:

    LOL. Of course it’s shrinking. Smaller and smaller percentage of whites making up the electorate. Exactly rhe result of what I have been saying. Demographics.

  307. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    302. “Did Trump help or hurt Mia Love?”

    Trump did hurt Mia Love. She also faced an excellent Democrat candidate. Love was in a district that had traditionally been represented by a Democrat (Matheson). I was offended by Trump’s post election comments on the reasons Love lost. Trump is not liked in Utah; he pulled all of 14% of the vote in the Utah primary in 2016. A congressional candidate, like John Curtis, can be elected despite openly stating he did not vote for Trump. It is a unique state, but it still will vote for Trump rather than the Democratic candidate.

  308. CG says:

    In 2012, Romney received 93% of Republicans.
    In 2016, Trump received 88% of Republicans.

    So, as the number of Republicans shrinks, it’s a math problem. That was definitely seen in 2018, where Democrats won seats that had been held by Republicans for decades or generations.

    Of course, I maintain that both major parties have fundamental problems and that the time would be very ripe for a credible third party or Independent effort, such as we have recently seen happen for the first time in France, Israel, and other places.

  309. DW says:

    308 – same category, different extent perhaps, but a 3 year old? What say does a 3 year old really have?

  310. CG says:

    It’s a tricky issue, but I would think that at age 3, if a girl insists they are a boy or a boy insists they are a girl, they aren’t merely joking around. There’s something medical there that has to be addressed one way or another. As I asked, at what age would it be more acceptable than 3? Has to be an extremely difficult matter for parents.

  311. Phil says:

    On the other hand, Trump did better with Indies against Hillary against what Romney did vs Obama and that was the difference in the states Trump flipped – Iowa, Wisconsin, etc.

  312. lisab says:

    “We used to say we don’t worry about a first strike because a first strike would end in complete devastation of the person who fired nuclear weapons,” Gillibrand said. “When you say you want to develop low-yield nuclear weapons that are tactile, what you’re saying is you want to use them.”

    “If I am president, I am going to make sure we unwind that completely, and I don’t think we should be trying to create tactile nuclear weapons. Not only is it a waste of money, but it increases the risk of actually using them,” Gillibrand said.

  313. mnw says:

    This place is ALL corretroll’s threadpig blog now.

    Yuck.

  314. CG says:

    I would certainly be opposed to the concept of allowing gender reassignment surgery for anyone below 15 at the minimum.

  315. CG says:

    I ran thru the exit polls in those states here on Friday.

    Hillary was just an immensely weaker candidate than Obama, despite jason’s spinning.

    In every swing state, Trump was more disliked than Hillary, yet he won those states, because people “held their nose.”

  316. Phil says:

    Yeah, with respect to Gillibrand, she ain’t ever going to be president. Ever.

    She sure loves to talk though.

  317. DW says:

    “but I would think that at age 3, if a girl insists they are a boy or a boy insists they are a girl, they aren’t merely joking around.”

    That’s just nuts. Crazy talk. Have you ever been around a 3 year old?

  318. Phil says:

    Sure, and if Democrats insist on moving left, those voters will hold their nose again.

    Both candidates that flipped congressional seats here in Texas made it a point to stay away from the positions Democratic presidential candidates are shouting from the roof tops today.

  319. CG says:

    Sure I have, and I was once 3 too. I had no doubt I was a boy. You felt the same way too I am sure.

    For a vast minority of 3 year olds though, that is not going to be the case. I am not saying medical therapy to change genders should begin at 3, but clearly, the future medical issue is already real at that point.

    At what age are you ok with people taking medical steps to change their gender?

  320. Chicon says:

    Bitter – I’m not worried about Trump’s feelings. I don’t know if he is either.

  321. CG says:

    -jason is the one worried about Trump’s feelings.

    He thinks Don Lemon would have been nicer to him if not for Mitt Romney’s Op-Ed.

  322. Chicon says:

    Jason is not worried about anyone’s feelings. That’s how one becomes an a-hole.

  323. CG says:

    Netanyahu vs. Gantz

    I guess Ilhan Omar was right after all that as it relates to Israel, it’s “all about the Benjamins.”

  324. lisab says:

    Coree says: I had no doubt I was a boy.
    ———————————–

    🙂

    (some you just have to let pass)

  325. CG says:

    I had a bowl cut at that age of course though.

  326. NYCmike says:

    “Has to be an extremely difficult matter for parents.”

    -It is a rarity, which is how it should be treated, as opposed to the PC-media pushing it on a daily basis as if it is a huge societal issue.

    Of course, the fact that a “real conservative” like “CG” is willing to allow government to get involved shows how well the propaganda worked on the younger generations.

  327. CG says:

    When did I say anything about government?

    And while it may be “rare” it is no less real for those who have to go through it.

  328. Bitterlaw says:

    Unlike Phil, I could not care less if white people continue to make up less of the population. Until he can show me the Liberal Gene, it is s big Zzzzzzzz.

  329. Bitterlaw says:

    I like living in a racially and culturally diverse area. Sue me.

  330. CG says:

    You likely will enjoy Downtown Chicago.

  331. lisab says:

    how many tactile nuclear weapons does iran have?

  332. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    For anyone interested, here are the Israeli election results in real time.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/261633

  333. lisab says:

    Roosh
    ?
    Actress Charlize Theron complains that the world lacks a real man who is strong enough to marry a 43-year-old woman with adopted African children that she likes to cross-dress.

    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/charlize-theron-im-shockingly-still-single/

    (it is not that shocking)

  334. lisab says:

    james baker is good friends with david corn … the first “journalist” to report on the Steele dossier!

  335. lisab says:

    Will Trump Accept the Results of the 2020 Election if He Loses?

    rolling stone magazine

  336. Bitterlaw says:

    I think the best way to die would be saving somebody who was being attacked. Maybe I will get my wish in Chicago.

  337. lisab says:

    I think the best way to die would be saving somebody who was being attacked.
    —————————————–

    not me … beer flood is how i want to go out

    The London Beer Flood happened on 17 October 1814[2] in the parish of St. Giles, London, England. At the Meux and Company Brewery in Tottenham Court Road, a huge vat containing over 135,000 imperial gallons (610,000 L) of beer ruptured, causing other vats in the same building to succumb in a domino effect. As a result, more than 323,000 imperial gallons (1,470,000 L) of beer burst out and gushed into the streets. The wave of beer destroyed two homes and crumbled the wall of the Tavistock Arms pub, killing teenage employee Eleanor Cooper under the rubble. Within minutes neighbouring George Street and New Street were swamped, seriously injuring a mother, and killing a daughter and young neighbour who were taking tea. The beer also surged through a room of people gathered for a wake, killing five of them.

  338. lisab says:

    Ethnic Groups Fear Being Classified as ‘White’ Due to Diversity Quotas

    Certain ethnic groups are opposing their classification as “white” on the upcoming 2020 Census because they say the diversity quotas of corporations and universities will hurt their educational and job opportunities.
    Arab and Persian residents in the United States told the Los Angeles Times that while they plan to participate in the 2020 Census, they fear they will be lumped in with the racial category of “white” Americans.

  339. Tina says:

    Barr destroyed the drats.

    Thank goodness i’m Gonna refuse myself is gone,

  340. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Israeli TV stations are saying that the Right/Religious Parties have prevailed and Bibi will remain as Prime Minister. Great News, right CG?

  341. NYCmike says:

    “When did I say anything about government?”

    -The conversation came up because the NHS in Great Britain is running the experiments.

  342. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    343. “I think the best way to die would be saving somebody who was being attacked. Maybe I will get my wish in Chicago.”

    No, in Chicago you will both die.

  343. NYCmike says:

    “And while it may be “rare” it is no less real for those who have to go through it.”

    -So, a “real conservative” believes that government should have a say in all things, no matter who rare they may be?

    You are so busy virtue-signaling who caring you are, more than so many of us at HHR, that you would have government policy affect every aspect of dealings between free citizens…..which would endanger the word “free” in that sentence.

  344. NYCmike says:

    “who caring” = how caring

  345. Tina says:

    911 is the day that some people did something,

    -Mullah Omar(Drat)

  346. NYCmike says:

    “343. “I think the best way to die would be saving somebody who was being attacked. Maybe I will get my wish in Chicago.””

    -Is this the same as “dying at the palace”?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNRvz5O9l2s

  347. Phil says:

    I don’t care if the general population is less white either, Bitter. It does matter electorally if the electorate as a whole is less white. That effects election results and that is indisputable. Your usual comment about the “liberal gene” means absolutely nothing. Minorities (regardless of whether they possess such a gene or not) vote the way they vote, and have for the last fifty years. They aren’t changing anytime soon. Nobody believes that, and neither do you. Trump will get 10% of the black vote and maybe 30% of the Latino vote. Democrats as they have since the 1960s will continue to play racial politics and pander to minorities as victims because it works. They don’t need to rely on genetics.

  348. Tina says:

    Nick Short
    @PoliticalShort
    One reason these collusion propagandists on the Right played along with the Steele dossier was to exact revenge against the man who won the White House over their objections & called their bluff on the Iraq War: Donald Trump.

    Same People Behind Iraq War Lies Pushed Russian Collusion
    Post by @theamgreatness.
    amgreatness.com

  349. Tina says:

    Here is the article

    Same “Rs” wrong on the Russian hoax were wrong on Iraq.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/04/08/same-people-behind-iraq-war-lies-pushed-russian-collusion/

  350. lisab says:

    The evidence that pot, and pot alone, triples your chances of developing a psychosis is overwhelming. Berenson cites hundreds of studies showing a direct link between cannabis use and psychoses like schizophrenia.

  351. lisab says:

    phil,

    the biggest problem i would think is that the tax burden will ultimately fall on the middle class.

    the rich are the allies of the democrats, so they will be immune from the tax hikes.

    things like obamacare inherently take away healthcare from the middle class and give it to selected classes of the poor

  352. Bitterlaw says:

    I had no idea that the intelligence agencies of Israel, the UK, Germany, and France were all Republicans. Tina provides such useful information,

    As for Phil, he admits that party ID for many switched in the 1960s but now says it won’t switch again. Pretty contradictory.

  353. jason says:

    I have to admit I was rooting for Bibi

    Now looks like his coalition will win a clear majority, maybe 55 seats but at least 53.

  354. jason says:

    I supported the war in Iraq and still do.

    I also support Trump where I think he deserves support.

    Sue me.

  355. Phil says:

    They won’t change anytime soon, bitter. You know it, I know it. The race hustlers on the left will see that it doesn’t change. Will the change occur in 2020? 2030? Nope. You and I will be in the ground when and if this change ever happens. By that time one party leftist rule will have completely remade this country economically, culturally, and politically. When the left gains complete power, they implement their agenda. All you need to do is take a good hard look at What one party leftist rule has done to California – oh, and California ain’t coming back. It’s done.

  356. Bitterlaw says:

    This country has been written off as doomedso many times in the past that Phil’s nightmare scenario is as unlikely as it is absurd.

    As for California, if it really sucks so bad, why do more people live there than in any other state? I don’t want to live there but if the majority of the residents want it to be a hard left state, so be it.

  357. Bitterlaw says:

    Despite being completely opposite on the future of the country, I do hope Phil and his wife are coping as best they can with difficult times.

  358. jason says:

    Where have we seen this before…

    “Two Israeli TV stations have changed their forecasts for final election results and are now projecting a narrow victory by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party.”

  359. lisab says:

    if the people in california kept their policies in their state, i would be fine with it

    but when they want to make california policies the norm for all states via the federal government, i object

  360. NYCmike says:

    I guess lisab was filling in for Robbie earlier, when she mentioned that Bibi was going to lose……she must have seen Lord Arsehat’s Early Exit Polls.

  361. lisab says:

    yes, i was going by drudge at the time

    things seem to have changed

  362. jason says:

    So far not only is Bibi’s coalition winning, Likud has the most votes too.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/261633

  363. jason says:

    Poor Corey… it must really suck to be him.

    “The exit polls from Israel (which of course are not official results) show that Netanyahu’s Likud Party has lost to the Blue and White Party.

    I expect tremendous tempter tantrums here from others and all sorts of “what kind of Jew are you” but I hope that is the result.”

    Corey openly rooting for the Israeli socialists?

    What a surprise…

  364. jason says:

    I guess Bibi’s “crime” in Corey’s eyes is that he is close to Trump. Horrors.

    You know, that same Trump that Corey compares to Hitler and David Duke.

  365. lisab says:

    uh oh, prince william may have had an affair with

    the marchioness of cholmondeley which is pronounced

    “the stuck up horse faced b!tch of chumly”

    i guess now prince william will never have corey’s support as king

  366. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is so dang sanctimonious I am cheering the fact that jason went back and found the comment about “what kind of Jew are you” from “CG” earlier!

    WELL DONE!

  367. jason says:

    ason is the one worried about Trump’s feelings.

    He thinks Don Lemon would have been nicer to him if not for Mitt Romney’s Op-Ed.”

    Not really. The MSM will never be nice to Trump, and he is smart enough to know it

    Romney is the one who thinks Don Lemon will be nicer to HIM because of the Op-Ed, and he is too naive to know Don Lemon will just use him and discard him like garbage as soon as he is no longer a useful idiot.

  368. Tgca says:

    MAGA!
    MAGA!!
    MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  369. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    294. “So, *if* his party wins, it would be akin to the what would happen if the Democrats here basically stood aside and allowed the NeverTrump Republicans to lead the way with someone and a platform that was actually electable and had the capacity to bring a coalition together. It sounds almost too good to be true.”

    Yes, it was too good to be true. As in the 2016 election, exit polls fantasies were burst by real election results. Where is Tattoo and the airplane when you need them?

  370. lisab says:

    “CG” is so dang sanctimonious
    ————————————

    not the word i would use 🙂

    he has posted more than 25% of the thread, despite only posting from when he gets up around noon to about 6 pm

  371. NYCmike says:

    “Where is Tattoo and the airplane when you need them?”

    -Heh!

    “CG” is on his own Fantasy Island……Pogo Loco?

    Joining Robbie?

  372. jason says:

    It’s funny how Corey uses the “exit polls” to justify his drivel, even though he knows these are the same exit polls that showed Hillary winning were completely debunked.

    At some point you have to feel sorry for the poor bastard, right?

    Nahhh…

  373. VictrC says:

    Folks, lets ask ourselves a question.

    If Mitt Romney, or Jeb Bush, or John Kasich or Winnie the Pooh were the R occupying the White House after having won in 2016 do we think the attacks would be ANY DIFFERENT?

    Do any of you honestly think that this is about Trump (from the left). It isn’t, it is about a Republican occupying the White House. Let’s say for argument sake that something happened to Trump and Pence takes over tomorrow, does anyone honestly think the left, the MSM, Democrats in congress would stop with the race baiting, or Republicans hate this R hate that. No, we saw it with Butileg (sic) attacking Pence this week.

    And if Pence named a woman of color as VP, and then resigned and that Woman of color, who also outed herself as an LGBTQXXXXX member after being sworn in were the President, but she (Sorry for using a gender pronoun) were a Republican, does ANYONE honestly believe that the Dems wouldn’t attack her any differently than they attack Trump.

    THE ANSWER IS NO.

    This is not so much about Trump (though he is an easy easy easy self-inflicted target) as it is about how the left will never accept a conservative in any position of power or government. It is how the Democrats have turned the tenor of the country and make everything they don’t like something that uses the word “hate.’

    This is not going to end, so my choice is to not focus on what I don’t like, but to focus on the good and what unites us, because we are going to need it.

    Lastly, do not count out the following. The D’s are sooooo convinced Trump can never be re-elected that they are going to overlook him. They did it once and I (with first hand knowledge) am seeing it yet again.

  374. NYCmike says:

    VictrC,

    Agreed.

    Most posters here, with the obvious exceptions of “CG” and Robbie, believe that ANY REPUBLICAN would get attacked in the same way.

    Trump’s talent, and YES, I will call it a talent, is to fight back against those false attacks, which makes the Democrats go even further in their hatred, to the point where they have actually started being honest about the types of policies they want (GND, Medicare-For-All, Guaranteed Minimum Income, Reparations).

    Of course, “CG” doesn’t want such a Democratic candidate to win the Presidency………

  375. lisab says:

    corey says

    It also needs to be accepted that I think Trump is worse than a Democrat.

  376. NYCmike says:

    “It also needs to be accepted that I think Trump is worse than a Democrat.”

    -He said this earlier today, correct?

    I agree, in that Trump may be a worse person than some Democrat out there.

    But as a President, who has put in place policies which have for the most part benefited this country, NO DEMOCRAT running for that job would come close to him. They are all 10x worse.

  377. Marv says:

    The last of Doolittle’s Tokyo Raiders has passed away.

    Lt. Col. Dick Cole, USAF (ret) died today at the age of 103. He was Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle’s co-pilot on the lead aircraft of the mission when they took off from the USS Hornet.

    RIP

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/last-wwii-doolittle-raider-dies-at-103

  378. Tina says:

    s Retweeted

    Matt Wolking
    @MattWolking
    ·
    59m
    ?
    @TuckerCarlson
    on
    @MaxBoot
    : “going to him for foreign policy advice is like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a cooking show—he’d be the last person you would ask.” ?

  379. lisab says:

    Student union president quits following WW1 mural destruction vow

    In the weeks prior to this year’s Remembrance Day, the president of the University of Southampton’s student union sparked outrage by vowing to destroy a memorial commemorating those students who died during the First World War, bemoaning the fact the memorial only featured ‘white men’.

  380. Marv says:

    Looks like Bibi and his Likud party have done well tonight.
    Anyone else following this?

  381. Bitterlaw says:

    It is sad that there are so few American and Allied veterans left from that war. They truly saved the world.

  382. Marv says:

    Hey Bitterlaw

    How are things going for you?

  383. Bitterlaw says:

    Pretty well, Marv. How are you and Mrs. Marv? Are you in Hawaii?

  384. lisab says:

    ww1 not ww2

  385. Marv says:

    We’re fine, Bitter. Headed to HI later this spring. My first response is “awaiting moderation”, so I thought I’d try to post a second one to see what happens.

  386. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t hold your breath, Marv. The posts never leave “moderation.” Thousands of posts going back to 2004 are still there,

  387. Marv says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I’m going on record tonight predicting a Trump/Pence 2020 win and the GOP will recapture to House, forcing Pelosi into retirement.

  388. Tgca says:

    *crickets*

  389. Tgca says:

    5! x dy/dx [10x/3]

  390. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “U.S. House of Representatives Democrats on Tuesday canceled a planned floor vote on legislation to set federal spending levels for next year after the party’s left wing demanded more money for domestic programs.

    It was an awkward moment for Democrats, who won control of the House from Republicans in last November’s congressional elections, but now appear unable to unify liberals and moderates around a budget plan. The House vote had been planned for Wednesday and would have been the first step in negotiations with the Republican-led Senate over spending levels.”

    Eventually, see the socialists breaking off and forming a Social Democratic Party. The Marxist wing is not going to want to play second fiddle.

  391. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – No chance. Dems play to win. The far left would rather get 80% of their goals with the Dems than 0% if they loose. This is different than our Deadenders who would rather lose than get 80%

  392. jason says:

    The problem with that argument is that the Marxist “wing” is not a “wing”, it’s the main fuselage.

  393. jason says:

    Yep, their deadenders are smarter than our deadenders.

  394. jason says:

    Tgca is not running around the house screaming MAGAAAA today.

    His shipment of 30 gallons of organic maple syrup was delayed and he had to eat his breakfast of 25 sugar cookies and 12 glazed donuts dry.

  395. jason says:

    Meanwhile, my breakfast was 6 links of country sausage, 2 thick slices of fried scrapple a 3 egg bacon and cheese omelet and 2 slices of almond flour bread with Amish butter.

    My cholesterol seems to be improving on a low carb diet.

  396. Tgca says:

    I’m starting to see AOC viewpoint.

    Make
    America
    Poor
    Again

    MAPA!
    MAPA!!
    MAAAAAPAAAAA!

  397. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – My diet of soda and cereal has given me good cholesterol levels.

  398. Tgca says:

    I admire Jadon for directly attacking his obesity straight on and doing something about it. Kudos to you.

    Now keep sucking down that greasy fatty salty shlop. I’m sure it will do your arteries and heart some good.

  399. jason says:

    So Bibi wins again.

    Of course, we knew that would happen after Corey swallowed the “exit polls” hook line and sinker.

    Although his opponent Gantz was not as far to the left as some of Netanyahu’s previous opponents, he would certainly have been hostage to the far left parties that comprised his coalition and would have had to put hard core leftists in a lot of cabinet positions.

    It was a good result for Israel and for those understand appeasement does not work.

  400. jason says:

    Hey Tgca, go jump in a vat of molasses.

    I may have terminally high cholesterol and a triglyceride level that is off the charts, but I am not obese.

  401. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #411- jason
    Perfect summary! You cover alot of ground in just a few paragraphs.

  402. jason says:

    Thanks Sheep…

    I need positive reinforcement since Corey said my principles were “transactional”

  403. jason says:

    And of course Corey knows how to REALLY hurt a guy.

    “You just want to get along with others”

    Sniff… that was beyond the pale, even if it was worth a ton of points.

    I have been called a lot of names here, but nobody ever said that I want to get along with others before.

    How could I be so misunderstood?

  404. jason says:

    Huff Post not taking Bibi win well…

    “THE AGE OF BIBI ? ISRAEL VOTES EXTREME”

    It’s his fifth term….

  405. jason says:

    After calling the election in Israel a “setback” for Netanyahu for most of the night, the NYT has moved the goalposts this morning.

    “Regardless of the final result, the election appeared to be a grave scare for Mr. Netanyahu, 69….”

    Just hilarious.

  406. Phil says:

    I would like to announce that I am officially backing off my Kamala Harris prediction. When you are wrong you are wrong. The Marxist lane just got too crowded for her to stand out. She still has a chance, but we will know early. If she loses home state California and then doesn’t win In South Carolina with its heavy black electorate she’s done. Being a black woman I figured she checked enough victim boxes and was sufficiently loon enough to be nominated. Hell, they are all loons so she doesn’t stand out there either.

  407. jason says:

    Phil is transactional.

  408. jason says:

    I am still on the Buttigieg bandwagon, as is Drudge now.

    I hope I am wrong, because I prefer to run against one of the known hacks rather than a new one.

  409. Wes says:

    Spartacus is NJ’s most popular statewide elected official with a 46-32 approval rating. Meanwhile corrupt child rapist Bob Menendez is at 21-47.

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/04/booker-murphy-christie-trump-heres-how-new-jersey-rates-these-politicians.html

  410. jason says:

    46% is not stellar in his home state.

  411. Wes says:

    Phil, Harris has forgotten how to campaign. That’s a side effect of being a pol of the majority party in a one-party state.

  412. Wes says:

    He’ll be re-elected, Jason. Sewer Staters just reelected the Scumbag last year.

  413. lisab says:

    harris still makes a great vp

    i expect her on the ticket

    but then, like phil, i also expected her to be more of a contender. i thought she would throw more elbows than she has to date

  414. lisab says:

    some in massachusetts are saying that warren knows she cannot win, but is too embarassed to quit before nh

    it is a long way to nh

  415. Phil says:

    Barr is a professional. That comes across in his testimony. Democrats look silly trying to demonize him. Except for the loon base there is no apatite for dragging this out – the electorate is watching what is happening on the border and contrasting that with inaction by congress and the fact that Democrats couldn’t care less. They look bad.

  416. Wes says:

    Hagedorn wins. Dems won’t be able to effect a judicialmander in WI.

  417. Phil says:

    Congrats to Bibi. Suck it Omar.

  418. jason says:

    Booker will be re-elected no doubt. But the 46-32 number shows he is not that popular even in NJ, dimming his already dim chances at the nomination.

  419. jason says:

    Omar said yesterday that 9/11 was “some people did something”.

    Let’s see if any Dems will challenge that.

  420. Wes says:

    Spartacus just needs to go 100% corrupt to get the Sewer State to become more enamored of him.

  421. jason says:

    Probably doesn’t have that far to go…

  422. janz says:

    Tgca’s MAPA (make America poor again) slogan perfectly illustrates the direction the dems want towards.

    Also, Buttigieg is definitely evolving into a formidable opponent in 2020. His outwards appearance and presentation masks an ultra left ideology, following the beliefs of a Marxist father whom he had a close relationship with.

  423. jason says:

    Only 2/3 of registered voters in Israel voted.

    Intuitively, I would have expected that due to the polarization and a highly educated electorate, it would be higher.

  424. jason says:

    Trump is more popular in Israel than he is in the US.

    This despite Corey comparing him to Hitler and David Duke.

    Go figure.

  425. jason says:

    It looks as if the VAGOP will lose control of the State Legislature in November”

    I am sure that will be ok with the SEND A MESSAGE deadenders.

  426. jason says:

    Chris Matthews very upset that “Trump interfered in the Israeli election” and that is why Netanyahu won.

    He has a short memory….

    “The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

    Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.”

  427. jason says:

    But that was 2015…

  428. Cash Cow TM says:

    After another bad day at playing bridge yesterday, Walt has been working this morning on repositioning, leveling, mulching the various concrete pavers pathways.

    Cash Cow has been very busy supervising…

    Walt says he is “Making The Property Great Again”.

    It will add to the resale of the property when they sell and move sometime soon…
    ####################################
    While supervising, Cow came across the DRUDGE article about 3 out of 10 people are now in a sexual dry spell. I asked Walt if he was one of the 3 and he just shook his head and grumbled about always being in the minority…

  429. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow is glad that Net-And-Yahoo won in Israel.

  430. mnw says:

    WI SC:

    Don’t rile up the evangelicals.

    Wonder what Hagedorn (sp?) would’ve won by if he had had a pot to p**s in or a window to throw it out of. Conservative groups didn’t give him a dime, because they thought the race was hopeless. He ran a shoestring campaign, I read.

  431. jason says:

    Yep, the smears against Hagedorn didn’t work, but almost did.

    Hagedorn probably benefited from the evangelicals that were disturbed by the smears and other Republican voters that are tired of hearing them.

  432. jason says:

    He might also have benefited from the MSM narrative that he was a certain loser, leading some Dems to forego voting.

  433. jason says:

    Thank you professor:

    “Next Tuesday, April 2, one of two state appeals court judges — Brian Hagedorn or Lisa Neubauer — will win a 10-year term to the Wisconsin Supreme Court in a race that could shape the ideological balance of the court for years to come.

    As of early this week, Neubauer appeared to be the clear frontrunner.

    “I expect her to win and potentially by a large margin,” Barry Burden, a UW-Madison professor of political science and director of its Elections Research Center, said in an interview last week. He speculated that the decision of outside conservative groups “not to invest in Hagedorn’s campaign tells me that they have concluded that the campaign is in trouble, and don’t want to throw good money after bad.”

  434. jason says:

    The MSM post mortem lists reasons why Hagedorn, including this gem:

    “The media’s clout is declining. The Journal Sentinel stories by Dan Bice and others at the newspaper reporting on Hagedorn’s anti-gay views and actions led one Republican consultant to declare the candidate had been “Biced” and was unlikely to recover. That might have been true five years ago, but the incredible decline of the JS has been the key driver in a drastic reduction of the media’s role in elections. Facebook and Google ads, youtube videos and other newer media are swamping traditional journalism and changing campaigns”

    So 5 years ago more peopled believed the MSM’s lies….who knew?

  435. jason says:

    why Hagedorn won..

  436. jason says:

    but the incredible decline of the JS has been the key driver in a drastic reduction of the media’s role in elections.”

    Let that sink in for a minute…

  437. mnw says:

    RAS has Trump at 51 today– I think that’s appx 7 straight business days at 50 or above.

    I expect a slight boost for Trump when a China trade deal is announced. Not a BIG bump, but it will play into the narrative of good economy/good economic stewardship, imo.

    The better Trump’s poll ratings get, the more likely China is to settle sooner rather than later.

  438. mnw says:

    I would like to see the St. Louis Post-Disgrace & the Kansas City Scar go the same place the JS seems to be going.

    My impression is that nobody buys these papers any more, except to read the sports section. The physical WEIGHT of these papers keep shrinking too. Light as a feather they are now. Not too many of those heavy advertising inserts these days.

  439. NYCmike says:

    ” Light as a feather they are now.”

    -Especially if you have Yoda-like-force-strength!

  440. mnw says:

    CNBC: “Mnuchin says U.S. & China have agreed on enforcement mechanism”

    The trade war is going to end sooner rather than later, I think. The enforcement mechanism was the single largest remaining issue.

  441. jason says:

    A lot of people still read papers online.

    Of course the NYT and WAPO won’t let you read linked stories because they want you to subscribe, good luck with that.

    I am sure the St Louis and KC papers are not as bad as the Harrisburg Patriot News. Now THAT really is a piece of trash. It’s biggest claim to fame is its November 24, 1863 edition when it called the Gettysburg Address “silly remarks” meriting the “veil of oblivion”. On November 14, 2013 it finally issued a retraction, widely covered nationally, and had another 15 minutes of fame.

    Luckily it now only prints 3 days a week.

  442. jason says:

    “The enforcement mechanism was the single largest remaining issue”

    Have they addressed the billions, or is it trillions, the stupid trade wars cost US businesses and consumers yet?

  443. jason says:

    “Prices rose

    The authors found that prices for the affected goods responded quickly to the tariffs, increasing between 10% and 30%. The jump closely matches the tariff levels, which suggests that buyers—American consumers and importers—absorbed the increase, not the foreign sellers of those goods.

    Meanwhile, US companies marked up prices for their own goods, given the higher prices for their foreign competitors’ products.

    Imports dropped, variety shrunk

    As prices climbed, demand for the taxed products fell—as indicated by a 25% to 30% decline in the total value of imported goods, the paper shows. The variety in the types of things imported to the US also dropped, meaning American firms and consumers had less choice.

    What’s the cost?

    The researchers calculate Americans have so far paid $12.3 billion to the US government in tariffs, and lost $6.9 billion in income due to trade-war-related market disruptions.

    And it’s not just imports that the tariffs have upended. The US’s trading partners have responded with tariffs of their own, which are hitting American exporters. So far, tariffs have diverted $2.4 billions’ worth of US exports, and $11.4 billion in imports a month, according to the study. That’s the equivalent of $165 billion a year. If the tariffs stay in place, firms will likely have to rethink their supply chains, they say.

    Tariff-related uncertainty is also hurting business. The study doesn’t attempt to calculate its effects, but its authors say the losses are likely “considerable.”

    Is the US winning anything?

    So far, the tariff revenue the US is collecting is not enough to cover the losses to consumers and companies, the study suggests. And even if the trade war accomplished Trump’s goals of pressuring China to pay more royalties for US intellectual property and boosting manufacturing jobs, it would be expensive.”

    https://qz.com/1564566/trumps-trade-war-has-cost-the-us-at-least-19-billion/

  444. jason says:

    Of course, Trump will declare he “won” the trade war, and the AFL-CIO conservatives will agree.

  445. mnw says:

    “Is the U.S. winning anything?”

    Uh, yeah… a lot, actually. Things every other president has tried & failed to accomplish for the last 40 years. Intellectual property protection. Forced technology transfers.

    Little stuff like that.

  446. Tgca says:

    412. Jadon

    I am so sorry! I did not mean to offend. Sometimes, I’m just too politically INcorrect. I guess I should have said chubby instead of obese. Just like 50 is the new 40. Chubby is the new obese. My apologies my friend.

  447. Chicon says:

    458 – well, the author also set the “cost” of the tariffs at $12B. If the new deal has a benefit of more than that, would that be a “win”? How about if the benefit is more than that every year?

  448. NYCmike says:

    “Uh, yeah… a lot, actually. Things every other president has tried & failed to accomplish for the last 40 years. Intellectual property protection. Forced technology transfers.”

    -jason?

    Are these worthy issues to have addressed?

  449. NYCmike says:

    “So far, the tariff revenue the US is collecting is not enough to cover the losses to consumers and companies, the study suggests.”

    -How exactly does any revenue to the US Treasure cover my “losses” due to tariffs?

    Also, did Trump hold a gun to my head (I can’t remember the last time I was on 5th Avenue) to make my buy something?

    FREE TRADE is the goal. Has Trump’s maneuvers ended up getting concessions from the Chicoms which will make for FREE TRADE being realized by both sides in the trade agreements?

    jason, how about we make a determination on that in a year or 2, once an agreement is signed?

  450. NYCmike says:

    “my buy” = me buy

  451. NYCmike says:

    “The far left would rather get 80% of their goals with the Dems than 0% if they loose.”

    -“loose”.

    That is what happens when a “deadender” REALLY wants to lose! They add an extra “o” for good measure!

  452. NYCmike says:

    https://theweek.com/articles/834287/there-no-left-left-israel

    -Has the race been called>

    Also, are we supposed to applaud the Israelis or boo them?

    “CG”, which way are the winds blowing on the Moral High Ground?

  453. Wes says:

    Mikey is in favor of increased tariffs—aka, higher taxes—now. I thought conservatives supported lower taxes.

    Before anyone asks, Reagan was wrong to sign TEFRA and raise tariffs during his tenure. His tax cuts though accounted for more than double the amount of those tax increases.

  454. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey is in favor of increased tariffs—aka, higher taxes—now.”

    -Actually, I didn’t write that, but interpret my questions any way you like.

    I am in favor of seeing the results if and when a new trade agreement is signed. It will be easier to decide if the principle of free trade is one that must be treated as religious dogma or would be better treated as a guiding principle which can be affected by certain events.

  455. NYCmike says:

    If tariffs force the Chicoms, or any trade partner, who we know do not give us the same level playing field as we give them, to treat us better long-term, doesn’t that mean tariffs, despite short-term pain, may provide a good tool to use at the appropriate time, depending upon the circumstances?

  456. Tgca says:

    I think folks are over enthusiastic about Mayor Butt.

    1st, he’s the shiny new coin simply because he’s gay and different. We see this frequently in early election campaigns. That’s what his whole campaign is based on via the MSM though they don’t talk it up that way.

    2nd, does the US really want to elect a 30-something small town mayor with no experience who’s running to West Hollywood to do fundraising when at least they have a good economy going?

    3rd, many on the left will still see him as a privileged white male, and I doubt feminists want to elect a gay male before a female.

    4th, like it or not, a gay white male is really not going to appeal greatly to AA and Latino base, especially men.

    5th, wait until the gay Mafia starts pulling him leftward, and if he doesn’t openly support the gay leftist agenda, and if he tries to criticize components of it, he will be dead in the primaries. He talks about marriage and that now but the vast majority of gay men are not in monogamous relationships, and if he is seen as putting down open relationships or typical gay life style in favor of his “heterosexual” themed life that he is trying to portray, that is an affront to gay men, and they will turn on him.

    Time will tell.

  457. dblaikie says:

    One of the big questions of the last week is why Obama didn’t come to the defense of Uncle Joe. For me the answer is simple — he is quietly sitting on the side waiting for these lousy, puny, silly, candidates to eat each other. When that happens watch Barack and Michelle step forward, have Michelle in order to “save” the party to step forward and run. I bet Obama is desperate to get back in power.

    If I am right, and I think I am, in the near future watch these Dems and particularly Bernie start to be more and more critical of the last administration. It is a no brainer for him.

  458. Tgca says:

    I don’t think Michelle would ever run. She likes her privacy and the respect she gets as a former 1st Lady, and she s not personally power hungry. She knows immediately she will have her ratings plummet to the 45 range as every political candidate does and she will be open to much criticism, as will her husband’s tenure, especially emerging info from the IG and AG investigations that will be public by then, and that will put her on the defense. Remember, HRC enjoyed a general favorable rating until she ran for office.

    What would she get out of it but attacks and headaches, and as history has shown, she does not handle criticism of her family well, whereas, Obama was considered more cool and collected during the primary process.

  459. Chicon says:

    470 – dogma says bad, bad, bad. In all circumstances. A temporary bad thing to bring on a better long term situation? Foolish. Showing the other side that your willing to take short term pain for long term gain? Silly. Never works.

    Well, unless it was McCain’s idea.

  460. janz says:

    Another wise opinion piece from Mark Penn.

    “The Democratic House and Senate leaders apparently decided that resistance to the Trump administration — rather than true deal-making — makes the most sense, holding out for a presidential victory in 2020. That strategic decision, unless soon reversed, might be their undoing. Had they opted for deals, they would have made a DACA-for-border-security swap, moved on infrastructure, and partnered on tax cuts to provide much more deductibility of state and local taxes. They think no deal is a better deal. Americans may — or may not — think so.

    While Democrats like Ocasio-Cortez, Omar and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) have been given outsized power, the newly elected moderates — the ones whose victories empowered the other Democrats in the House — have been largely shunted to the side. They have been castigated from all sides, protested against in their town hall meetings, denied plum committee assignments, and had to accept a watered-down resolution condemning anti-Semitism.”

  461. Wes says:

    There you have it. Conservatives for higher taxes. It’s like 1930 all over again. I just hope the economic results are different.

  462. NYCmike says:

    “There you have it. Conservatives for higher taxes.”

    -There you have it. Wes reads what he wants. No wonder he enjoys his comic book fantasy books.

  463. Wes says:

    Former Rep. Mark Kennedy (R-MN)—last seen losing in a landslide to Amy Klobuchar in 2006 after staunchly defending the War in Iraq—will now move from being President of the Bank of North Dakota to being President of the University of Colorado.

    VA Gov. Ralph Northam (D-Klansman or Guy in blackface) says he doesn’t know how the infamous picture made it to his section of the yearbook. Liar.

  464. Wes says:

    Mikey, Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche was the last book I read. Watchmen was the last comic—actually graphic novel—I read all the way through. The latter was a full decade ago when the movie came out.

    You were saying?

  465. NYCmike says:

    Several names of not been mentioned recently – James Mattis and John Kelly.

    Kelly is in the news today, though. The person who was leading the Secret Service, Tex Alles, has been fired, and rumors are saying the agents below him are extremely happy he is gone.

  466. NYCmike says:

    “You were saying?”

    -Once I hit “Submit Comment”, it should come up on your computer screen.

  467. DW says:

    “For a vast minority of 3 year olds though, that is not going to be the case. I am not saying medical therapy to change genders should begin at 3, but clearly, the future medical issue is already real at that point. ”

    A three year old boy is still 9 years or so from first ejaculation, and the three year old girl about that many years before first monthly cycle starts up. In short the three year old hasn’t experienced their gender in any adult sort of way. Anyone pressuring or encouraging a three year old to change genders is exploiting that child. Furthermore, it is not ‘medical’ issue. It is a tragic decision an adult makes to have their hormones screwed up, and have someone mutilate their genitals so they will never function as designed ever again.

  468. NYCmike says:

    Maybe you need to refresh your page…….maybe there is a graphic novel on how to do that……it would probably entail taking your head out of your arse.

  469. NYCmike says:

    You are so mean and uncaring, DW!

  470. lisab says:

    MAXINE WATERS TRIES TO PIN STUDENT DEBT CRISIS ON BANKS

    Waters:“Today, there are more than 44 million Americans that owe … $1.56 trillion in student loan debt.”

    “Last year, 1 million student loan borrowers defaulted which is on top of the 1 million borrowers who defaulted the year before.”

    “What are you guys doing to help us with the student loan debt? Who would like to answer first? Mr. Monihan? Big bank?”

    Monihan: “We stopped making student loans in 2007 or so,”

    Waters: “So you don’t do it anymore? Mr. Corbyn?”

    Corbyn: “We exited student lending in 2009,”

    Waters: “Mr. Dimon?” Waters tried again.

    Dimon: “When the government took over student lending in 2010, we stopped doing all student lending,”

    Waters: ummmmmmmmmm … nevermind …

  471. lisab says:

    Sure I have, and I was once 3 too. I had no doubt I was a boy. You felt the same way too I am sure.

    For a vast minority of 3 year olds though, that is not going to be the case. I am not saying medical therapy to change genders should begin at 3, but clearly, the future medical issue is already real at that point.

    At what age are you ok with people taking medical steps to change their gender?
    ——————————————

    vast minority?

  472. NYCmike says:

    Mad Maxine also had a great encounter with Mnuchin.

    She is a vicious, clueless ideologue……hopefully, the media will be forced to cover her A LOT!

  473. NYCmike says:

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/04/10/this-is-a-big-deal-ari-fleischer-makes-a-prediction-now-that-the-allegations-are-against-the-obama-admin/

    -Robbie, “CG”,

    Should we persue the illegal acts perpetrated by the previous administration?

    Is it immoral NOT to go after them?

  474. Tgca says:

    Wow! Barr testified today that not only did he believe there was some spying on the Trump campaign but that he believes to the extent there were issues at the FBI, it was senior levels in the FBI and not the rank and file, and that’s what they will look at during a review of the FBI and DOJ process.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-watchdog-fbi-informant-in-russia-probe

  475. Chicon says:

    Tgca, the facts are catching up with Tina. Could be some perp walks upcoming.

  476. Tgca says:

    OMG! Per Drudge, new human species found that existed 50k years ago. Homo Luzonensis.

    I think that was me like 25 years ago. Homo Loses Innocence.

    https://www.drudgereport.com/

  477. Tina says:

    Spying…

    Overview

    Electronic surveillance is defined in federal law as the nonconsensual acquisition by an electronic, mechanical, or other surveillance device of the contents of any wire or electronic communication, under circumstances in which a party to the communication has a reasonable expectation of privacy. The “contents” of a communication consists of any information concerning the identity of the parties, or the existence, substance, purport, or meaning of the communication.1

    Examples of electronic surveillance include: wiretapping, bugging, videotaping; geolocation tracking such as via RFID, GPS, or cell-site data; data mining, social media mapping, and the monitoring of data and traffic on the Internet. Such surveillance tracks communications that falls into two general categories: wire and electronic communications. “Wire” communications involve the transfer of the contents from one point to another via a wire, cable, or similar device. Electronic communications refer to the transfer of information, data, sounds, or other contents via electronic means, such as email, VoIP, or uploading to the cloud.

  478. Tina says:

    Barr said other agencies.

    Think Cia and the commie.

    Think high up. Remember, what the mistress said to Pete the cheat.. president wants to know.

  479. Tgca says:

    492 Spying?

    Tina forgot peaking through keyholes.

  480. Tina says:

    A FISA on page leaves them to trump and any other person associated with the campaign,

    Same thing goes for papadope.

  481. Phil says:

    Avenatti’s Private jet seized by federal agents. Seems he hasn’t been paying his income taxes. Shocking.

    How’s he going to get around to campan for president? Most likely Uber.

  482. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/maxine-waters-grills-big-bank-ceos-about-student-loans-which-were-nationalized-in-2010/

    -More MAD MAXINE.

    Sorry, but she is great! If she isn’t a view into what government really is and does, then I don’t know what is!

    Maybe I am biased because I know the NYC Council is just as f*cked up!

  483. Chicon says:

    Mike, fyi, the Isles are playing the Pens right now.

  484. NYCmike says:

    Chicon,

    I am at work.

    2nd period, Isles are up.

    60 minute game.

  485. Tgca says:

    NYC is such a big d.

  486. NYCmike says:

    I can’t believe Bitterlaw didn’t link to this story from his favorite site!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6908251/Kim-Kardashian-reveals-plans-taking-bar-exam-2022.html

  487. NYCmike says:

    Whoa!

    Come back to HHR and see I need to purchase a salmon coat!

  488. NYCmike says:

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/04/president-trump-and-prime-minister.html

    -Thomas Friedman sounding like “CG” and Robbie……

  489. NYCmike says:

    Chicon – did you see Tampa Bay lost 4-3 after leading 3-0??

    WOW!

  490. NYCmike says:

    Only 1 game

  491. Chicon says:

    Mike, I watched a lot of that one. Beware the President’s Cup curse.

  492. Chicon says:

    The NHL playoffs are awesome.

  493. Tina says:

    This tweet aged well

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · Mar 4, 2017
    Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

  494. Tina says:

    Pentagon awards $1 billion to build the wall. They need to declare the entire accessible border a drug zone.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/10/pentagon-awards-nearly-1b-in-border-wall-construction-contracts/

  495. mnw says:

    Chicom

    All worn out. I had given up on the Bluz 3 or 4 times in 2nite’s game.

    I’ve read that WPG is arguably the toughest venue in the NHL for the visitors.

    Binnington barely made it to the NHL. It was now or never for him.

  496. Chicon says:

    Really good game, mnw. Congrats to you, and NYCMike, too.

    I’m relegated to being happy about getting the 3rd pick in the draft.

  497. Bitterlaw says:

    My softball team lost 10-3. I pulled my ace after 5 innings trailing 5-3. I put in my left handed slow pitcher. She got too quick outs because the other team had trouble timing her pitches. Then they figured her out with the help of some errors. We lost 10-3.

  498. isab says:

    the dem trolls must have been caught flat footed by spy-gate today

    all over the web they are quiet

    i imagine they will have something by tomorrow

  499. mnw says:

    I wonder where Coach Q will go next?

    When the Bluz fired Yeo, there was some talk they had approached Quenniville, as I recall.

    Yeo was treated really shabbily, btw.

  500. Cash Cow TM says:

    Anybody post the recent NH poll of D primary?

    22.9% Biden
    15.6% Bernie
    10.7% Buttgig (ahead of Lie-awatha Warren at 8.7%)

    13.2% No Opinion

    Rest of the clown car candidates split up the rest of the votes

    Camel.toe Harris getting 6.8% and
    “Beetle Juice” Beto O’Rourke clocking in at 6.4%, which is just above candidate named “Someone Else” at 5.6%

    https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/saintanselmdemocraticpresidentialpoll-1554929580.pdf

  501. Chicon says:

    Mnw – Q signed with the Florida Panthers in the last day or two.

  502. Tina says:

    I am sure the trolls will return. I warned them. These people appear to be the most in trouble:

    Pete the cheat

    Comedy

    McCabe

    I believe the mistress sold out aka made a deal.

  503. Tina says:

    The mistress, who was eager to spread her legs for Pete, folded quickly though.

    An emotional wreck, she is.

  504. isab says:

    predict it now has bernie over biden

    bernie 0.22
    biden 0.20
    buttigieg 0.18
    harris 0.17
    beto 0.12
    yang 0.10
    warren 0.07

  505. Chicon says:

    Tina, you’re being vindicated by recent events. Perp walks are upcoming, imo.

  506. Tina says:

    Bernie will be the nominee.

    They screwed him last time.

  507. Chicon says:

    Who is isab?

  508. jason says:

    “Doesn’t that mean tariffs, despite short-term pain, may provide a good tool to use at the appropriate time, depending upon the circumstances?”

    No.

  509. Tina says:

    I really feel sorry for the mistress though.

    Really sad way her career ended, and rightfully so.

  510. lisab says:

    oopsie …

    i actually loved the L word

  511. jason says:

    Mikey is in favor of increased tariffs—aka, higher taxes—now. I thought conservatives supported lower taxes.”

    Not if Trump implements higher taxes, then the AFL-CIO conservatives love them!

  512. Tina says:

    Chicon, thanks, but overstated.

    I did use the word coup plotters quite a long time ago.

    And they thought this plot would work? Some of the same folks, who said that Iraq had WMDs? Aka, it’s a slam dunk?

    The same leadership that missed the Boston bombers?

    The same leadership that missed the jihadi in the pulse night club?

    When they say, 17 intelligence agencies say x, you know they are lying.

  513. Tina says:

    And the drats are so unhinged tonite.

    I hope they filled their scripts.

  514. lisab says:

    the dem leadership know they cannot let this blow up

    it could fracture the party

    if worse comes to worse, which i do not expect, they will dump comey et al., as rougue agents

    they cannot let this be attached to hillary or obama

  515. jason says:

    FREE TRADE is the goal. Has Trump’s maneuvers ended up getting concessions from the Chicoms which will make for FREE TRADE being realized by both sides in the trade agreements?”

    Imposing tariffs for free trade is like f–kng for virginity.

    Nobody who favors tariffs is interested in free trade, let’s get real.

    The goal when you impose tariffs is protectionism, economic isolationism, higher taxes, higher prices, reduced availability, and fewer choices.

    Anyone that says the goal of tariffs is free trade is an absolute moron.

  516. Chicon says:

    533 is gibberish.

  517. sandiegocitizen says:

    Free trade only exists when both parties are participating in it. If Trump can force the Chinese to end their protectionism, then for the first time China and the USA will actually have free trade.

  518. phoenixrisen says:

    535 — Bingo

  519. Tgca says:

    MAGA!
    MAGA!!
    MAAAAAAGAAAAAA!!!

  520. jason says:

    Free trade only exists when both parties are participating in it. If Trump can force the Chinese to end their protectionism, then for the first time China and the USA will actually have free trade.”

    LOL

    Another AFL-CIO conservative for “Free Trade”

  521. jason says:

    533 is gibberish.”

    When you have no arguments, you call it gibberish.

    The US already lost the stupid trade war, no matter what “agreement” they come to. The costs to the consumers, the higher taxes, the long term damage to the economy, that has already happened.

    There is no “winning” here whatever the spin.

    The trade war has already cost a lot more than any “gains”.

    “The researchers calculate Americans have so far paid $12.3 billion to the US government in tariffs, and lost $6.9 billion in income due to trade-war-related market disruptions.

    And it’s not just imports that the tariffs have upended. The US’s trading partners have responded with tariffs of their own, which are hitting American exporters. So far, tariffs have diverted $2.4 billions’ worth of US exports, and $11.4 billion in imports a month, according to the study. That’s the equivalent of $165 billion a year. If the tariffs stay in place, firms will likely have to rethink their supply chains, they say.

    So far, the tariff revenue the US is collecting is not enough to cover the losses to consumers and companies, the study suggests. And even if the trade war accomplished Trump’s goals of pressuring China to pay more royalties for US intellectual property and boosting manufacturing jobs, it would be expensive.

    For example, if China increased royalty payments by 25%—a big boost—it would still take three years to cover the costs of trade disruptions, the authors calculate. And assuming the US were able to recover the 35,000-odd steel and aluminum jobs it lost over the past decade, they would come at $195,000 a piece—about four times the annual steel worker salary.

    “These benchmarks suggest that the costs of the trade war are quite large relative to optimistic estimates of any gains that are likely to be achieved,”

    But if it makes you and Trump feel like you “won”, be my guest.

    There is no free lunch, and if ignore the negative impact of tariffs and protectionism and pretend they don’t exist you are a moron.

    Free trade is a concept worth fighting for, it’s a goal you want to achieve. Like free enterprise and capitalism, you don’t have to have every country in the world practicing it in order to see the value of it.

    There is nothing more idiotic than saying tariffs, protectionism, and economic isolationism are going to get you to free trade.

    Tariffs have never brought about free trade, THAT is gibberish.

  522. mnw says:

    Joless claims fall again, for fourth week in a row. Below 200000 for first time since 1969.

    Yawn. Another day at the office.

    Trump didn’t do that! Zero did!

    jason

    After 14 years of litigation, the moribund WTO has just issued its final decision that the EU subsidized Airbus to the detriment of the U.S., in violation of the EU’s treaty obligations under the WTO rules. Furthermore, the WTO said that the U.S. now has the legal right to impose corresponding tariffs, as a result.

    Did we have “free trade” with the EU for 14 years? Is the WTO full of skit?

    Tariffs bad! ALWAYS and everywhere! Ignore WTO! Use “legal means” instead! (Uhhh… isn’t that what the U.S. just DID for the last 14 years?)

    Unilateral disarmament– THAT’S the winning ticket.

  523. mnw says:

    let me beat you to it, jason: YOU GFY.

  524. jason says:

    Mikey is in favor of increased tariffs—aka, higher taxes—now. I thought conservatives supported lower taxes.”

    The AFL-CIO conservatives won’t admit that tariffs are basically self imposed taxes.

    One of the stupidest comments in the thread is NYC saying “well, I just won’t buy the higher priced products”.

    Hello? So if consumers stop buying higher priced products, what does that mean for the economy? What does it mean for the businesses selling those products? The people who work for those businesses. The transporters? The tax revenues from those sales?

    But thanks for making the point that tariffs are detrimental to the economy.

  525. Chicon says:

    Mnw – Jason has his dogma to blindly follow. I used to ask him quite often to list the tools a President has at his disposal to encourage other nations to trade fairly with the US – I assume Jason thinks free trade is a worthy goal. His response is a list of things that have proven ineffective, like asking nicely.

    If Trump gets a better long term deal with China after using tariffs, he (and Bitter & Wes, too) will continue to decry their use.

  526. jason says:

    WTO has just issued its final decision that the EU subsidized Airbus to the detriment of the U.S., in violation of the EU’s treaty obligations under the WTO rules”

    Use “legal means” instead!”

    LOL

    Sometimes morons make your point for you by accident.

  527. jason says:

    If Trump gets a better long term deal with China after using tariffs, he (and Bitter & Wes, too) will continue to decry their use.”

    Zzzzzzzz….

    Right, because the “better deal” will ignore all the negatives of tariffs, protectionism and economic isolationism.

    The “better deal” won’t really be any better deal, it won’t bring about any free trade, and it will just be another tax on consumers.

    Nobody wins trade wars, and Trump is not going to “win” anything except higher taxes.

  528. Chicon says:

    Sometimes morons willfully ignore the content of a poster’s position when responding.

  529. jason says:

    “trade fairly with the US”

    Ah yes, no discussion on free trade is complete without the old code expression for “no trade” the “fair trade” canard.

  530. Chicon says:

    Lol – more willful misrepresentations….

    If the new trade deal results in something closer to free trade than existed prior to 2016, is that a good thing? Why would China have agreed to less generous terms than previously existed? Maybe they were simply being nice.

  531. jason says:

    The facts about tariffs:

    “The Trump administration’s tariffs on steel, aluminum, solar panels, washing machines, and a host of Chinese-made industrial and consumer goods have increased taxes by $42 billion*, with poorer Americans feeling more of a pinch.

    That’s the bottom line of a new report on the tariffs published Wednesday by The Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan think tank. The Trump tariffs have reduced after-tax income by about 0.3 percent on average, according to the study, equating to a decrease of $146 in after-tax income for middle class Americans. The Tax Foundation’s economic model suggests that the tariffs will reduce the gross domestic product, a short-hand measure for the overall size of the economy, by about $30 billion while also depressing wages and costing more than 94,000 jobs.”

  532. Tina says:

    Trump 55% approval

    58% approval on economy

    Georgetown politics poll of 1000 registered voters

    H;t Lou Dobbs

  533. jason says:

    “If the new trade deal results in something closer to free trade than existed prior to 2016, is that a good thing?”

    That is like saying if I buy a winning lotto ticket tonight, will it be a good thing?

    It will, but it’s about as likely as “resulting in something closer to free trade”.

    The “new trade deal” will ignore the detrimental effects of tariffs. In this case, “new” doesn’t mean better.

  534. jason says:

    Why would China have agreed to less generous terms than previously existed?”

    Again, this is only half the equation.

    You only want to look at the “concessions” China is making.

    You don’t want to look at the cost of these concessions to see if the net effect is positive.

    It isn’t.

  535. Chicon says:

    Closer to free trade suggests lower tariffs on each side after the deal than existed prior to 2016. If that occurs, would the short-term tariffs have been a useful tool?

  536. jason says:

    If that occurs, would the short-term tariffs have been a useful tool?”

    No. Tariffs are not a “tool”.

    Basically you are saying that if you put $150 in a slot machine and get $100 out of it, the $150 was a “tool” to get $100.

  537. jason says:

    I wonder why all the AFL-CIO conservatives here don’t just admit, like mnw did, that they are actually in favor of tariffs and that they think protectionism and economic isolationism is good thing.

    Why pretend you are for free trade if you are not? “Closer to free trade”, “fair trade” “free trade only if everyone practices it” and all that coded garbage, for what?

    Go ahead and defend the idea that tariffs are a good thing, like the AFL-CIO has for 40 years, but don’t pretend it’s going to result in free trade.

    Someone above suggested I treat free trade as a religious dogma. I don’t. I think free trade makes sense from an economic standpoint, and a free flow of goods and services will produce benefits and wealth on a global scale. The US should be promoting those benefits, instead of engaging in “me too” anti-free trade policies under the argument that “well, others are not for free trade”.

  538. Tina says:

    BREAKING

    zerohedge
    @zerohedge
    Michael Avenatti Indicted On 36 Counts By Grand Jury

  539. Tina says:

    Michael Finnegan
    @finneganLAT
    Breaking: A federal grand jury in California has indicted Michael Avenatti on 36 counts. US Atty Nick Hanna & the IRS are holding a news conference in Los Angeles at 9am Pacific time.

    668
    6:05 AM – Apr 11, 2019

  540. Wes says:

    Santayana once famously said,”Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    Mikey and Chicon have clearly forgotten 1930 since they desperately want to repeat it.

  541. jason says:

    I hope these trumped up charges don’t discourage Avenatti from running for President and Dem voters from voting for him in the primaries.

    Messy, don’t be discouraged, he will beat these charges.

  542. jason says:

    Mikey and Chicon have clearly forgotten 1930 since they desperately want to repeat it.”

    What is the other saying?

    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

  543. jason says:

    Can’t you just see NYC and Chicon rooting through the dumpster of failed economic strategies, finding the tattered AFL-CIO playbook of the last 50 years and screaming “EUREKA”?

  544. Chicon says:

    To Wes it is still 1930. The world hasn’t changed a bit since then.

    That type of vapid post is surprising from you. You’re a smart guy – explain what you feel is incorrect about the posts above.

  545. Chicon says:

    I’ll take some more of the failed economic policies put in place in the last couple of years.

    Given Jason’s recent history, he’ll come around on this topic, too.

  546. jason says:

    Trump has taken the old tariff turd out of the septic tank and wrapped it up in a new box and put shiny wrapping paper on it with a big red bow and put a label on it that says “New Trade Deal”.

    NYC and Chicon have their noses glued to window as they exclaim “Ohhhhhhhhh”, “UHHHHHHHHHH”, and “AAAAAAAAAAHH”.

  547. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump was a Democrat for decades. Is it really shocking that he embraces the protectionist policies of the left?

  548. jason says:

    Given Jason’s recent history, ”

    Ah yes, “transactional”.

    Because I changed my mind about Trump being fit for office I guess.

    However, I have never wavered from my positions on free trade and free enterprise.

    Good luck on me coming around to embracing tariffs, protectionism and economic isolationism.

    Won’t happen. And of course, this was one of the reasons I left the Republican party, it wasn’t Trump as Amoral Scumbag keeps saying. It was the fact the party no longer identifies with the principles that attracted me to it in the first place, which is exactly the defense of free enterprise, free markets, free trade, and personal responsibility.

  549. Chicon says:

    Jason will be in favor of the new trade deal with China, and will wonder – mouth agape – how Trump got them to agree to it.

  550. jason says:

    Trump was a Democrat for decades. Is it really shocking that he embraces the protectionist policies of the left?”

    No, of course not. It is one thing Trump has been remarkably consistent on for decades.

    What is shocking is people who claim to be conservatives here embracing the protectionist policies of the left.

  551. jason says:

    Jason will be in favor of the new trade deal with China, and will wonder – mouth agape – how Trump got them to agree to it.”

    Zzzzzzz….

    Just like I was in favor of the “revised NAFTA”?

    There is nothing “new” in the new trade deal, and he costs will vastly outweigh the “benefits”.

    But feel free to “oohhhhhh” and “ahhhhh” the re-wrapped turd package.

  552. jason says:

    Bitter, let’s face it, if Trump declared today that he is outlawing private ownership of homes, NYC and Chicon would be here explaining how it’s not really a bad thing, it will save money on property taxes.

  553. Chicon says:

    Ah, the purity argument. Spoken like a true deadender…..

    As an aside, without these positions, would your pure candidate of choice have carried the rust belt states?

  554. jason says:

    This guy was actually on TV rendering moral judgments on Trump and Kavanaugh….

    “One of the clients, Geoffrey Ernest Johnson, was a mentally ill paraplegic on disability who won a $4-million settlement of a suit against Los Angeles County. The money was wired to Avenatti in January 2015, but he hid it from Johnson for years, according to the indictment.”

  555. jason says:

    As an aside, without these positions, would your pure candidate of choice have carried the rust belt states?”

    I think Trump’s protectionist rhetoric helped him immensely in the rust belt states.

    I have made the point here many times I don’t think any other R would have won MI, WI and PA and that no other R candidate would have won OH by half a million votes.

    It doesn’t mean I believe in his protectionist rhetoric.

  556. jason says:

    So Assange was finally arrested

    I hope they extradite him and give him a fair trial before his execution.

  557. jason says:

    I think the argument that Trump is imposing tariffs because he is for free trade is almost as ridiculous as the one NYC advanced, that Trump funded Dems like Harry Reid for decades because “he wanted to build in Manhattan”.

  558. Chicon says:

    I understand, but it is important, imo, that candidates try to follow through on promises that led to election. I’m willing to give him the room to try this – I’m not a fan of unilateral disarmament when the other side ain’t playing fair.

    I also don’t think the impact is very large – the article you linked to had the impact under $20B. Peanuts in this economy.

  559. Chicon says:

    I think Trump would sign right now if China, the EU, Canada, etc., all agreed to do away with tariffs on all sides.

  560. mnw says:

    I still think that starting another criminal investigation, this time of the FBI/CIA, is a poor idea for many reasons.

    However, I am surprised by how upset the DEMs are– particularly Danang Dick.

  561. phoenixrisen says:

    Jason, I see your points. However, Trump has used tariffs as a negotiating tool, not to simply slap them on indefinitely and escalate a trade war. He renegotiated NAFTA and got much better terms for us and is doing the same with China. I don’t see an issue with that. While some may call tariffs protectionism, it only becomes protectionism when tariffs are enacted and adversarial positions taken without any good faith effort to collaborate and work things out. Just sayin.

  562. Chicon says:

    Mnw, their anger is telling.

  563. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    Scientists put human gene into monkeys to make them smarter…

    Super-intelligent hybrid…

    Planet of the Apes fears…

  564. Cash Cow TM says:

    If the Dems nominate Yang,
    I predict the Republicans will nominate Ying…

    And an independent 3rd party candidate will emerge named
    “Wallawalla Bingbang”
    #########################################
    Voters will choose between:

    YING, YANG, WALLA WALLA BINGBANG!

  565. CG says:

    The next Surgeon General will be a Witch Doctor.

  566. jason says:

    I still think that starting another criminal investigation, this time of the FBI/CIA, is a poor idea for many reasons.”

    So these conspirators, because that is what they are, should get a pass? I don’t get it.

    Personally, although it won’t happen, Barr should appoint a special counsel to dig into Fusion GPS, Steele, the dossier, McCabe, Comey, Lynch, Hillary, the whole rotten mess.

    What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Let’s see if the Dems will be in favor of “let the American public know what happened”.

  567. jason says:

    I think Trump would sign right now if China, the EU, Canada, etc., all agreed to do away with tariffs on all sides.”

    Hilarious. Defies logic.

    The guy has a what, at least a 40 year history of advocating for protectionism.

    And yet, some poor deluded souls still think he is a free trader.

    “A lot of Republicans in Congress will tell you that they support President Donald Trump but disagree with him about trade. There is, however, a small group of conservatives who have found a more ingenious method for reconciling their support for free trade with their enthusiasm for the president.”

    To deny that Trump is a protectionist, Moore and Thiessen have to ignore his own words — such as the ones he delivered at his Inaugural, to wit, “Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.”

    They have to ignore the many times he has said that his goal is to reduce trade deficits, not trade barriers. They have to look past the fact that the Trump administration’s only completed agreement on trade, the one it made with South Korea, involved getting that country to accept quotas on how much steel it can sell to Americans.

    They also have to skip over the details of the very agreement that they are touting. A promise that Europe will buy more soybeans and liquefied natural gas from America, to the extent it means anything, is a promise of managed rather than free trade”

    and

    “It would be nice if the administration had put as much intelligence and ingenuity into setting its trade policies as Trump’s defenders have put into devising rationales for them.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-31/trump-trade-goal-is-protectionism-not-reform

  568. Chicon says:

    I’m with Jason on the criminal investigation, and against on the tariff issue. Sue me.

  569. Chicon says:

    I think Trump has said he’d be for removal of all tariffs.

  570. NYCmike says:

    Just so I got this straight – jason, Wes, and Bitterlaw are taking this position – if the United States comes out with a deal with China which has lower (or zero) tariffs, along with more protections to intellectual property and the like, and with more access to Chinese markets, Trump’s short-term imposition of higher tariffs will negate the resulting agreement.

  571. NYCmike says:

    “I think Trump has said he’d be for removal of all tariffs.”

    jason: (I will ignore that.)

  572. NYCmike says:

    “What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Let’s see if the Dems will be in favor of “let the American public know what happened”.”

    -Agreed.

    I have no fear of full disclosure in this case.

    Let the sunlight shine down on these b*st*rds!

  573. jason says:

    Just so I got this straight – jason, Wes, and Bitterlaw are taking this position – if the United States comes out with a deal with China which has lower (or zero) tariffs, along with more protections to intellectual property and the like, and with more access to Chinese markets, Trump’s short-term imposition of higher tariffs will negate the resulting agreement.”

    This shows flashes of rudimentary intelligence, but unfortunately just flashes.

    But it does touch on the 800-lb gorilla, that the effects of “short term” tariffs are never short term, since thousands of businesses have made decisions on investments, staffing, purchasing, etc based on them.

    Second, it’s very clear the negative impact far outweighs any of the perceived benefits.

    A turd wrapped in shiny paper with a bow around it is still a turd.

  574. Bitterlaw says:

    While this rosy scenario will not happen, NYC continues to rely on leftist labor policies to claim he is really conservative. Laughable and absurd.

  575. Chicon says:

    That’s how I read their position, Mike. To be fair – rare thing here – I think Jason either doesn’t believe the damage from the tariffs will be offset by the gains, or that the deal won’t lower tariffs. I’m sure he will correct me if I’m wrong.

  576. Chicon says:

    Bitter, maybe it is best to wait to see what the deal is, should it occur? Then we’ll know a fact or two to argue about for months.

  577. jason says:

    “I think Trump has said he’d be for removal of all tariffs.”

    jason: (I will ignore that.)”

    Trump has been consistently opposed to free trade and in favor of protectionist and isolationist policies for decades. He has never wavered from this even if he seemed to change his position on other issues like abortion.

    In his inaugural address he said “Protection will lead to great prosperity”

    (NYC: I will ignore that).

    Tariffs don’t work. Never have. The idea that will work this time just because Trump implemented them is sheer idiocy.

  578. NYCmike says:

    #593 – Does your definition of “conservative” mean that you must accept one-sided trade agreements which enrich your enemy while helping to diminish the ability of your nation’s citizens to trade with the other party because they have to give up information about their companies which can then be copied by their competitors?

    Your scenario skips the flowers, and gives us the horns, right up the ass!

  579. CG says:

    “I think Trump has said he’d be for removal of all tariffs.”

    jason: (I will ignore that.)”

    NYC is the one who says the things Trump says should be ignored 90-99% of the time. “Focus on what he does” is what NYC says. Trump’s actions are very pro-tariff and this has been the *one* policy matter he has been consistent one. So, perhaps, this is the 1% example we should not ignore.

    As for jason, whatever he thinks about tariffs at the moment, he really has no ground to criticize his fellow Trump supporters since he has more than made his own allowances to overlook what he has believed about Trump in order to focus on the sole action of “victory.” If he legitimately thinks Trump won due to protectionism, he is only lying to himself not to embrace it, since he has already embraced the rest. Yes, soon enough he will be pro-tariff too.

  580. jason says:

    While this rosy scenario will not happen, NYC continues to rely on leftist labor policies to claim he is really conservative. Laughable and absurd.”

    Right, and now we have actually eat the turd sandwich (the let’s wait to see the agreement BS) before we can say tariffs don’t work?

    Here is what will happen when the agreement comes out. Trump will declare victory and all the AFL-CIO conservatives will applaud what is effectively a huge tax hike on the American people.

    People that actually believe in the principle of free trade will correctly understand Trump is no free-trader and the agreement is protectionist garbage.

    I am prescient.

  581. NYCmike says:

    “Tariffs don’t work. Never have. The idea that will work this time just because Trump implemented them is sheer idiocy.”

    -Since future results don’t matter, you will be known as The Omnipotent One.

    Much better to stick with the policies which were working all of these past 40-50 years……….

  582. NYCmike says:

    He has descended from HIS heights!

  583. CG says:

    “Much better to stick with the policies which were working all of these past 40-50 years……….

    That whole mindset fits the perfect endorsement of the Green New Deal and all the rest of the Left wants.

    Problems exist? Do something different! Do anything! We’ll see later if it was a good idea or not..

  584. Chicon says:

    Here’s the surrounding language for CG…er….Jason to peruse…..

    “We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.

    I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.

    America will start winning again, winning like never before.

    We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth. And we will bring back our dreams.”

    I guess he could’ve saved time by just saying “I love tariffs”.

  585. jason says:

    If he legitimately thinks Trump won due to protectionism, he is only lying to himself not to embrace it, since he has already embraced the rest”

    Hilarious.

    I never approved of Trump’s isolationist policies, whether trade or foreign policy.

    I have been consistently critical, probably hundreds of posts, of his trade policies and his anti-NATO statements, for example.

    So yes, I can be critical of the AFL-CIO conservatives here all I want, GFY.

    And of course, the “I have embraced the rest” is complete BS.

    I think Trump has done a good job on judicial appointments, taxes, energy policy, climate change, deregulation and exposing the dishonest media.

    I have been critical of his trade policies, some foreign policy, his criticism of fellow Rs including McConnell, Ryan, McCain, etc, his ideas of infrastructure and spending, his immigration policies including the physical wall and his failure to come to an agreement on the Dreamers.

    Have embrace the rest, my ass.

    GFY again.

  586. CG says:

    So, do his speeches/statements at rallies/Tweets matter or not?

    Other Trump apologists say ignore virtually all of that and only focus on the official paperwork he signs.

  587. jason says:

    I guess he could’ve saved time by just saying “I love tariffs”.

    Yes, that would have been a lot more honest.

  588. CG says:

    You are being a hypocrite jason as all can see.

    You the supposedly “anti-tariff” Trump bootlicker are attacking the pro-tariff Trump bootlickers using the same methods and logic that I use to criticize you (and the rest.)

    So, if you think I am wrong to do so, you have to be wrong too.

    If you are right, then I am also right.

    Even so, you should put aside what you think about trade and accept the fact that Trump and OnlyTrump won and not accepting that is being stuck in the past. By criticizing Trump on his agenda, you are only feeding the MSM.

    Be consistent.

  589. jason says:

    So because I said I think Trump benefited with blue collar voters in a lot of rust belt states from his protectionist rhetoric, it means I actually support this rhetoric?

    Is that what Corey said?

    Completely unhinged.

  590. CG says:

    Once somebody repeatedly calls someone a “fraud” a “con-man” a “Klansman” a “racist, a “fascist” and a “scumbag” as jason called Trump for many months, but after the election decided he had to get over it because Trump and OnlyTrump was capable of victory, then it should be extremely easy to also overlook differences on trade policy.

    By jason’s own logic, Trump would have *lost* the election to Hillary if not for his anti-trade, pro AFL-CIO protectionist policies. Now, jason thinks he should abandon them? Does jason want a socialist in office?

  591. CG says:

    You can disagree with it, but must do so silently. Remember, the liberals and the media are watching. So, shut up about disagreeing with Trump. Just like I supposedly have no right to point out areas of Trump’s agenda and policies that I consider horrific and go far beyond trade.

  592. jason says:

    So, if you think I am wrong to do so, you have to be wrong too.”

    Nah… that dog won’t hunt.

    My criticism of Trump has nothing to do with your TDS. I am criticizing specific policies, you are hoping a socialist will win because that will somehow punish Trump.

    Your hatred of Trump is pathological, illogical and based on a silly idea of revenge for the fact he decimated your candidate and made you look like a fool in your election predictions. Your opposition to Trump is childish and shallow. That is why you cannot give him credit even where he deserves it.

    There is NOTHING similar between my criticism of Trump and yours. Nada. Zilch.

  593. CG says:

    Plenty of Trump die-hards will say your trade views are deranged, just like my anti-racism views are “deranged.”

    After all, America has been losing jobs for many years.

  594. CG says:

    I think this is a rare occasion where Chicon and I would agree.

    Your criticism of Trump on trade and those who defend it are *exactly* like my criticisms of Trump on many other matters, in addition to trade, and those who defend them.

    The difference is you are the hypocrite for which everything in your entire life is transactional.

  595. CG says:

    jason is so twisted up in a pretzel, he does not even know what to do with himself.

    Should Trump embrace pro free trade policies? Yes or no?

    If he does, he loses in 2020, right?

    If he does not, he might win in 2020 since opposing them were a big reason he won in 2016, right?

    Which do you *really* prefer?

    It has to be one or another.

    NYC is far more consistent than you on this. At least he can commit to a “whatever Trump wants I want” mindset.

  596. jason says:

    By jason’s own logic, Trump would have *lost* the election to Hillary if not for his anti-trade, pro AFL-CIO protectionist policies. Now, jason thinks he should abandon them? Does jason want a socialist in office”

    I think Trump and every candidate for office in the US should support free trade.

    And of course, “now jason” is a crock of crap. I never supported protectionist policies during the campaign.

    Remember, supposedly I am “transactional” right. You can’t have it both ways.

    In analyzing the election results, I came to the conclusion the blue collar vote was instrumental in Trump’s win in PA, WI and MI and his huge margin in OH. You are free to disagree.

  597. CG says:

    – jason continues to take chutzpah to another level.

    As a non-Republican, he tells Republicans how to vote and how to think.

    As a non-Catholic, he tells Catholics how they should protest their Pope and not go to Mass.

    As a non-Trump voter, he tells Trump voters to feel bad for siding with Trump on his #1 issue.

  598. CG says:

    So, according to jason’s logic, Trump should have supported free trade, even though Hillary would have won. (no other Republican had a chance according to jason)

    I guess those Supreme Court Justices were not that important after all…

  599. jason says:

    Should Trump embrace pro free trade policies? Yes or no?

    Yes

    If he does, he loses in 2020, right?

    No, it’s a different election with different issues. I don’t see embracing free trade will necessarily hurt him, especially since the AFL-CIO conservatives actually think he is pro free trade.

    If he does not, he might win in 2020 since opposing them were a big reason he won in 2016, right?

    No, apples and oranges. I think Trump will run on his economic record, but I think he will portray the trade issue as fait accomplit. He will say he won and run on other issues.

    Which do you *really* prefer?

    I prefer he run on free markets, free enterprise, free trade and a merit based society.

    It has to be one or another”

    Ok, see above.

  600. CG says:

    That’s beyond jibberish, jason.

    You will come around. Once you get tired of Chicon and NYCMike and even psycho mnw cleaning your clock on this issue, you will fully embrace Trump on tariffs.

    It’s a matter of time. You *need* them to like you, your phony internet tough guy GFY’s aside. It’s all a roleplay for you.

  601. Chicon says:

    My disagreement with Jason on this trade thing is not huge in my view. I would love free trade, so would he. I think China – and to a lesser extent others – have been operating with an advantage that has hurt sectors of the economy. I think Jason agrees with that, he’ll correct me if needed. We both believe (I think) it is ok for the President to try to rectify these situations. Where we differ is on the temporary use of tariffs to achieve these goals. I’m willing to give it a try. Jason’s not.

  602. CG says:

    Things jason wants us to believe are *all* true.

    Trump won due to protectionism
    Trump was wrong to run on protectionism
    It is good Trump won though on protectionism
    Protectionism hurts the economy
    Trump has protectionist policies
    Trump’s policies have improved the economy
    Trump will win again because the economy
    Trump should oppose protectionism

    I haven’t seen anybody this confused since lisab wandered into a butcher shop.

  603. jason says:

    As a non-Republican, he tells Republicans how to vote and how to think.

    LOL. I think everyone should vote the way I think. Don’t you?

    As a non-Catholic, he tells Catholics how they should protest their Pope and not go to Mass.

    I never told anybody not to Mass, never. I think too many Catholics are too blasé about the Communist Pope. I hope its ok to have that opinion.

    As a non-Trump voter, he tells Trump voters to feel bad for siding with Trump on his #1 issue”

    No, I don’t want anybody to feel bad. I believe in free trade and want my government to implement and defend free trade as an economic principle. I want people to see that tariffs are not the way to go and that Trump is wrong about them.

    What bothers you, is at the end of the day, despite my disagreements with Trump and my views of his personality, I think he is the only viable option for 2020 and that anybody who calls himself a conservative should support him over a socialist. It bothers you that I am not stuck in the 2016 primaries, and I now judge Trump not on his campaign rhetoric in 2016, but on what he has actually achieved as President. It bothers you that whatever I said about Trump in 2016, there is more information out there now than there was then.

    GFY.

  604. CG says:

    Chicon is being very smart here strategically. He knows how this blog community game is played.

    He is offering an olive branch to jason because he knows Jason has no real principles and just wants to be part of a group. He’s an easy mark for his side.

    The next smart thing Chicon should do to further ingratiate himself to jason would be to say something nasty about me.

  605. jason says:

    Trump won due to protectionism.

    He won on much more than that. But I think he struck a chord with blue collar voters on the issue.

    Trump was wrong to run on protectionism

    It’s always wrong to run on protectionism.

    It is good Trump won though on protectionism

    It’s good Trump won, I am sorry he is a protectionist

    Protectionism hurts the economy

    Yes

    Trump has protectionist policies

    Yes
    Trump’s policies have improved the economy

    No.

    Trump will win again because the economy

    He will run on the economy, hopefully not on protectionism but on lower taxes, less regulation and pro-business policies.

    Trump should oppose protectionism

    Yes.

  606. Chicon says:

    No need ingratiate myself to Jason. Or CG. I attempt to have informative discussions on some issues. Attempt.

  607. jason says:

    Trump’s policies have improved the economy

    No. ”

    I should have said yes and no.

    Lower taxes, deregulation and pro-business policies helped the economy.

    Tariffs?

    No

  608. CG says:

    Mass confusion there all around in post # 624.

    Dou have to lie down from being so dizzy?

  609. jason says:

    here we differ is on the temporary use of tariffs to achieve these goals. I’m willing to give it a try. Jason’s not.”

    I am not because I don’t think the effects of “temporary tariffs” are temporary.

    A lot of sectors of the economy and businesses made decisions based on the tariffs. These cannot be undone at the stroke of a pen.

  610. CG says:

    -jason’s grand theory that he wants us to believe is now that even though protectionism is the main issue differentiating Trump from past Republicans and the Republicans that ran against him, and was a big part of the reason he won, he should not do a complete 180 turn away from that policy.

    Since Trump clearly won’t though, the American people including those who support Trump are somehow going to come to oppose protectionism even as Trump continues to push for it and they will reward him for the economy even though the main economic agenda is a bad idea.

    Just imagine if he actually worked for a campaign and tried to present this strategy?

  611. jason says:

    You are the one confused.

    I am pro free trade.

    I want Trump to be for free trade.

    There are other issues I think Trump is doing a good job with.

    I will vote for Trump even if I don’t agree with him on trade policy.

    I hope its clear to you now.

  612. jason says:

    my even though the main economic agenda is a bad idea.”

    I am not sure about the main agenda idea. For sure I think tariffs are a bad idea. But that is not his whole economic agenda. He cut the corporate tax rate and pushed for a lot of deregulation and generally supported policies good for small business.

    I think Trump’s main agenda should be lower taxes, pro-business policies, and deregulation.

  613. CG says:

    You say you are pro free trade.
    You also used to say you opposed Trump’s racism.

    You have never claimed you were wrong to call Trump a racist.

    You simply decided to get over it.

    So, get over it, grow up and embrace him on trade too.

    Why should that be harder?

  614. CG says:

    Every single other person who posts here and who says they will vote for Trump in 2020 is anti-free trade, except Bitterlaw.

    So, unless he is going to give you points for being “consistent”, it’s only a matter of time before you capitulate on that too. You will find life so much easier. Just ask NYC.

    The last think you want is to be on a free-trade island with me, and G-d forbid, Robbie too.

  615. CG says:

    Last thing*

    Well, last thing perhaps other than cholesterol medication.

  616. jason says:

    Since Trump clearly won’t though, the American people including those who support Trump are somehow going to come to oppose protectionism even as Trump continues to push for it and they will reward him for the economy even though the main economic agenda is a bad idea.”

    Dishonest drivel.

    I don’t know how you get to this garbage from my support of free trade.

    People will think what they want to think. I would hope Trump pursues free trade policies.

    I think if some people are sold on the idea that tariffs work so be it.

    I hope most voters will support Trump because he is embracing policies that create wealth, not distribute it.

  617. CG says:

    You are at the same time advocating a position you also claim will have Trump lose.

    It can’t be both. You are too confused and stubborn to admit it.

    And why should Trump supporters care what you think anyway? They are the ones that were “right.” You didn’t vote for him even. You called him every name in the book, far worse than I did.

    Why are you attacking them for siding with Trump’s decades old affection for protectionism? If anything you should be apologizing to them.

  618. jason says:

    You say you are pro free trade.
    You also used to say you opposed Trump’s racism.”

    I always oppose racism. When Trump made what I consider a racist comment, calling a Federal judge a “Mexican” I clearly condemned it.

    I see nothing Trump has done as President that I consider racist, but if I do, you can be sure I will call him on it.

    Not sure what that has to do with free trade, though.

  619. CG says:

    All polls show that Republicans and/or Trump supporters *overwhelmingly* agree with him on trade policies.

    That’s a change for the GOP, but another change is that Democrats are suddenly more pro-free trade, (at least some claim) just because they want to be opposed to Trump.

    Which group are you more comfortable in?

  620. jason says:

    Why are you attacking them for siding with Trump’s decades old affection for protectionism? ”

    Because I don’t believe in protectionism.

    Next question?

  621. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey must live in a world without hard choices. In 2016, it was Hillary or Trump. In 2020, it is Trump or flaming lib. Real world sucks.

  622. CG says:

    So, he was racist, and you said that was unacceptable a million times over, called him a Klansman a bunch of times, etc, but once the election happened, the clock reset, you gave him amnesty and now you are just ignoring what is going on, right?

    Why can’t you do the same for trade? If the economy is getting so good, solely because of Trump, why should it matter *how?* Why don’t you be consistent and just admit he was right and you were wrong about 2016 and thus you should just shut up and enjoy the ride?

    NYC is a happy man. I bet he sleeps like a baby at night. I don’t think you do.

  623. CG says:

    Well I don’t believe in a ton of things Trump says or does. Mitt Romney and many others don’t either.

    Yet, we are supposed to shut up or “cannot get over the last election”, etc.

    You think you are the only one who has the right to speak out, only as you see fit.

    Talk about a G-d complex..

  624. CG says:

    There are plenty of choices we all choose not to make, Bitterlaw goes along with that every day too.

    I wrote someone in for President. I am more than happy with the choice I made.

  625. jason says:

    polls show that Republicans and/or Trump supporters *overwhelmingly* agree with him on trade policies.”

    Ahh, here we go.

    This is actually one of the reasons that I said I left the Republican party, but of course you and Amoral Scumbag keep saying it was because of Trump.

    As I stated at the time, Trump is a symptom of this, not the cause. Trump didn’t invent protectionism, the AFL-CIO and the Dems have been pushing it forever.

    I don’t believe the Dems are really more pro-free trade than they used to be. I don’t think any of the assorted socialists running are pro-business in any sense, certainly not for free markets of free trade.

    I sincerely regret the fact the GOP has moved away from free trade. I think it’s a terrible mistake.

  626. NYCmike says:

    #620 – I’ll allow that to stand as my reasoning as well.

    Chicon, Thank You for that.

    Enough breath has been wasted on this issue, and “CG” is simply insufferable.

  627. CG says:

    In 2016, I didn’t choose Hillary, but I said she was a choice I would make before Trump.

    jason said the same thing about Hillary and also said he would vote for Bernie Sanders and the Ghost of Karl Marx before Trump.

    Ultimately, neither of us voted for Hillary or Trump.

    He regrets it. I do not. Bitterlaw has said on here many times he has more respect for people who stand by their view/grudge, even when unpopular. He ought to at least recognize that.

    And since I did not vote for Hillary, even when finding her opponent the worser or two evils and am about 99% unlikely to vote for the ultimate Dem nominee, frankly, I should be thanked for that. Regardless, my one vote has no bearing on anything, anywhere. We all know that.

  628. NYCmike says:

    “Chicon is being very smart here strategically. He knows how this blog community game is played.”

    -I think it is more that unlike you, Chicon, as well as jason, Bitterlaw and others, KNOW that Trump is a better alternative than any of the Democratic candidates, and will work towards that goal.

  629. jason says:

    You are at the same time advocating a position you also claim will have Trump lose.”

    Of course, I never claimed that.

    You love to make things up.

    I already stated I don’t think the main issue in 2020 will be tariffs.

    I think Trump by then will declare he won the trade war and a lot of his base will believe him.

    I won’t believe he won but will still vote for him.

    I don’t see how I claimed this will make him lose.

  630. CG says:

    To recap-

    for jason:,thinking and saying Trump was aligned with the KKK- able to get past and put aside.

    AFL-CIO,- can’t get over it.

  631. CG says:

    Trump is going to run on tariffs in 2020, is he not?

    His voters will think they are bad?

  632. NYCmike says:

    “Ultimately, neither of us voted for Hillary or Trump.

    He regrets it. I do not. ”

    -When did jason ever say he regrets NOT VOTING for Trump in 2016??

    He has said that he will vote for Trump in 2020. jason has been willing to re-assess the situation, and his opinion about Trump as a President by looking at his actions while President, which you have been unable to do.

  633. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is going to run on tariffs in 2020, is he not?”

    -Maybe.

    His opponent will run on the GND, Medicare4All, other global warming economic policies, a weaker military, more regulation of business, judges who want to legislate from the bench, open borders, etc, etc.

    Lesser of 2 evils is once again QUITE CLEAR.

  634. CG says:

    Well, if he *doesn’t* regret it, he’s 10 times more of a hypocrite, since he now attacks those that did not in ’16 and will not in ’20.

    I assumed he admitted he was wrong not to vote for Trump. He can speak for himself.

  635. CG says:

    Obviously, I will have to vote against Trump and his Dem opponent then.

    If only to “send a message.” Something you used to advocate happily NYC.

    In 2016, I remember Phil saying that Trump would not win, would never deserve to win, that the idea of him as President repulsed him, but he would still cast his Texas ballot for Trump just to send Hillary a message that he was opposing her.

    I will be sending my own message I suppose if that is the circumstance.

  636. jason says:

    In 2016, I didn’t choose Hillary, but I said she was a choice I would make before Trump.

    jason said the same thing about Hillary and also said he would vote for Bernie Sanders and the Ghost of Karl Marx before Trump.

    Ultimately, neither of us voted for Hillary or Trump.”

    LOL, notice Corey is obliged to start this drivel with “In 2016”

    We are now in 2019. I based my views on Trump on the information available to me at the time, and that I why I don’t regret not voting for him. I am comfortable I voted my conscience.

    However, a lot of what I believed about Trump at the time did not pan out. I didn’t believe he would appoint conservative judges, I believed him when he said his liberal sister would be a good SCOTUS judge. I was very suspicious of his contributions to Democrats over decades, and I was not convinced his statements that Democrats did better for the economy, he supported partial birth abortion, etc. were not his real beliefs. And of course I thought he was generally unfit for the office.

    I am stumped on why Corey thinks I should not evaluate Trump more on what he has done as President than what I thought of him in 2016, and certainly in comparison with the Democratic candidates.

    Is Booker a paragon of virtue? Biden? Harris? Warren? Beto? Let’s get real.

  637. jason says:

    I assumed he admitted he was wrong not to vote for Trump. He can speak for himself.”

    I have never said that.

    Never.

  638. CG says:

    So, if you are comfortable not voting for him in 2016, I should feel the same obviously. Remember, we are only talking about 2016.

    Rest assured I will not vote for him 2020. You can disagree, but it doesn’t make sense why you would considering giving yourself a free pass.

  639. jason says:

    Well, if he *doesn’t* regret it, he’s 10 times more of a hypocrite, since he now attacks those that did not in ’16 and will not in ’20.”

    LOL

    LIke nothing has happened since then, right.

    I can’t re-evaluate Trump based on his Presidency, I have to think about him exactly as I did in the 2016 primaries.

    Is that really your point?

    If it is, you are really even more fu–ed up than I thought.

  640. CG says:

    I think Trump has sucked as a President, especially on foreign policy, but I also consider the office to be one of moral leadership before all else. Almost all Republicans used to believe this. Bill Clinton really changed our culture for the worse since Republicans now sound exactly like his apologists.

    But I still believe what I do. If someone is unfit as a person, it wouldn’t matter to me if I agreed with them on 100 % of policy matters.

    Unlike jason, I never said or thought Trump was a Klansman, but I will never overlook someone who goes out of his way to appeal to KKK sympathizers by being a Duke-Lite.

  641. CG says:

    Then, you have to at the minimum agree with me that I was in the right to not vote for him in 2016. There is no way to dance around that since you give yourself a pass (and you were in a swing state.)

    At this moment, we have no idea whom the 2020 general election candidates will be.

  642. jason says:

    Remember, we are only talking about 2016.”

    No, YOU are talking about 2016

    I am in 2019.

    I was never critical of anyone who did not vote for Trump here in 2016, and in fact was never critical of those who did, I said everyone should vote their conscience.

    But to pretend there is not like 1000 more information to evaluate Trump in 2020 than in 2016 is asinine.

  643. CG says:

    Then if you ever say anything contrary to the idea that I was correct to not vote for him in 2016, I will remind you of this. You are admitting that Robbie and I and MD and all the rest did what we thought was right. For that matter, so did Author , right?

    As for 2020, yes, there is even more information every day to evaluate Trump and my daily evaluation is that he sucks as a person and sucks as a President and sucks as a potential nominee to beat the Democrats.

    If you think his trade policies suck and want to say that, then I should get to say his trade policies suck too and I also should get to say his immigration policy and foreign policy and everything else he says and does as President sucks.

  644. jason says:

    hen, you have to at the minimum agree with me that I was in the right to not vote for him in 2016.”

    I didn’t vote for him, so I can’t say you were wrong not to vote for him.

    However, since your reason to prefer a socialist for President in 2020 is based on your bias against Trump from 2016 rather than comparing his record to that which the socialists are proposing, I think you are letting your emotions of being proven wrong in 2016 get the better of you.

  645. CG says:

    I have a bias against Trump for what he has been since 1947 (he was probably a lovely baby and at some point in his life his scumbag father, who actually had been in the Klan, messed him up, just like the older brother) until 2019. I do not anticipate him being a better person in 2020.

  646. Chicon says:

    Jason’s changing views on Trump as evidence warrants is a good thing. Many are unwilling to do so. I wish attempt to be objective about the tariff issue if evidence warrants.

  647. CG says:

    666- you know darn well he will come around on that too. We all do.

  648. jason says:

    You are admitting that Robbie and I and MD and all the rest did what we thought was right. For that matter, so did Author , right?”

    Zzzzzzz….

    Everyone does what they think is right.

    It doesn’t mean I think they are right.

    I think you and Amoral Scumbag and MD and Author are all morons, for different reasons.

  649. CG says:

    If there was ever a time where there was evidence that tariffs or protectionism works, I would change my mind and come around on it.

    What I won’t ever come around to or choose to merely ignore are appeals to racism, white nationalism, or admiration of dictators. Those are more important to me than free-trade, which I also believe in.

  650. CG says:

    “Everyone does what they think is right.”

    As will be the case for me in 2020. You are on record.

  651. jason says:

    wish attempt to be objective about the tariff issue if evidence warrants.”

    Puhhhhleese.. do you really think Trump invented tariffs?

    The evidence has been in for decades.

  652. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Corey ever tries to twist his brain around the alleged anti-Semite Trump being popular with Netanyahu and his action to finally recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

  653. jason says:

    “Everyone does what they think is right.”

    As will be the case for me in 2020. You are on record.”

    LOL

    I am also on record that what you may think is right I might think only a horse’s ass would think is right.

  654. jason says:

    Nah, Corey wanted the socialists to win in Israel because Netanyahu is close to Trump, a terrible crime.

  655. jason says:

    “and everything else he says and does as President sucks.”

    I can’t think of a more ignorant statement.

  656. jason says:

    The fact Corey says EVERYTHING Trump says or does sucks is proof his has no objectivity and everything HE posts is is driven by bias and blind hatred.

  657. CG says:

    What’s their to twist?

    By the way I have never said Trump is an anti-Semite. I have said he is a bigot in general. Do you not agree? I have no doubt that he thinks more highly of Jews than he does many other groups. He also recently spoke in a way that made it sound like he was suggesting that Jewish Americans consider themselves Israelis before American. Completely untrue.

    Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. That’s supposed to make me like Trump? I don’t have a dual loyalty. I’m an American. At the ceremony, his Administration put a guy up there to give the invocation who gleefully declares Jews are going to hell. The policy was right. The other thing was a mistake. Surely you agree.

  658. Bitterlaw says:

    I also hate Trump. Just not as much as the idea of President Hillary Clinton.

  659. CG says:

    Socialists in Israel…

    Much of Israel is already socialist, been so for a long time. It’s not like America.

    The Labor Party in Israel would be the leftist party. They were an afterthought, as I said. Again, I am not an Israeli and do not have to live under their economic policies, which already exist.

    I do care that the leader of Israel is a hawk when it comes to defending Israel’s security and very existence. On that matter, there was no difference between Netanyahu and his main opponent Gantz.

  660. CG says:

    I don’t think everything Trump has done or said as President has sucked. Just much of it.

    I am typing fast and perhaps should have used the qualifying “else” to go along with the specifics I mentioned.

  661. jason says:

    You wonder why Trump is more popular in Israel than in the US.

    I guess they don’t believe he is David Dule lite in Israel, considering David Duke is a flaming anti-semite and Holocaust denier.

  662. Bitterlaw says:

    I think American Jews with dual citizenship consider themselves equally Israeli and American. The rest do not.

    Trump’s comments about the judge were bigoted. However, Inthink he just hates everybody so I’m not sure he is a bigot rather than just being a douche.

  663. CG says:

    Is he more popular in Israel? I’d have to see a poll. I know he isn’t very popular in the U.S.

    If the only consideration is if he is good for Israel, than it might make sense. As an American, I care about more than Israel. Again, Jewish people do not have dual loyalties and do not place another country before America in loyalty.

    There is no doubt Trump is more popular in Russia than he is in the U.S.

  664. CG says:

    I would more than welcome Donald Trump getting on a plane and moving permanently to Israel today.

  665. jason says:

    On that matter, there was no difference between Netanyahu and his main opponent Gantz.”

    Yes, Gantz is no pacifist himself, and indeed it’s why he came closer to winning that previous contenders.

    But his coalition would have included leftist parties that are not hawkish at all, so there is quite a difference.

  666. jason says:

    “But Israel stood out as an exception, where Trump’s popularity jumped to 69%, up from 56% in 2017 on the heels of a number of pro-Israel policy moves including the transfer of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and the US withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal.

    The survey found that 82% of Jewish Israelis have confidence in Trump’s handling of global affairs while 94% of Jewish Israelis (but only 43% of Arab-Israelis) have a favorable view of the US in general (83% overall).”

  667. NYCmike says:

    “If only to “send a message.” Something you used to advocate happily NYC.”

    -I have NEVER advocated to “send a message” in a general election.

    In fact, I have NEVER advocated to “send a message” in a primary.

    I have believed that sometimes a change from a current incumbent could be a good thing.

    Unfortunately, that idea has not always worked out in the best way.

  668. CG says:

    The coalition would included more Likud splinters. They are larger in number. The number of “leftists” left in the Knesset is very small. They aren’t a factor.

    Netanyahu’s coalition includes some very undesirables though including many who believe Israel should be an Orthodox Jewish theocracy. I do not think the Christians around the world who like to visit Israel would appreciate them very much, let alone Muslims whom they want to drive out of the entire country.

  669. jason says:

    I don’t think everything Trump has done or said as President has sucked. Just much of it.

    I am typing fast and perhaps should have used the qualifying “else” to go along with the specifics I mentioned.”

    Ok, I will give you the courtesy you never give me when I clarify something.

    Saying you think everything Trump does or says would be really stupid and you were smart to correct it.

  670. CG says:

    Gantz’s coalition would have been similar to what happened early in this century when Likud splintered (under Netanyahu), and Ariel Sharon made a new party.

  671. NYCmike says:

    Just need to repeat – in 2020, after 4 years of putting in place policies which are VERY DIFFERENT than Obama’s, and RADICALLY DIFFERENT than policies being proposed by the Democratic candidates, “CG” will still believe that Trump is worse than any Democratic candidate………but of course, he will not want the Democratic candidate to win.

  672. CG says:

    Unlike you I have the ability to admit I can recognize something I have typed that may not come across right.

    When you appeared to wish RBG dead, you should have clarified quickly.

  673. NYCmike says:

    “Netanyahu’s coalition includes some very undesirables”

    -Sanctimonious about 2 countries now…..

  674. CG says:

    NYC, I look at Trump’s policies, especially foreign policy and find much similar to Obama and in many cases even more “leftist.”

    As a person, he is worse than any of the Democrats running. I will not vote for a Democrat. You are accurate there.

  675. NYCmike says:

    “When you appeared to wish RBG dead, you should have clarified quickly.”

    -“CG”,

    The fact that multiple posters here had a different opinion about jason’s statement yet you will not admit that your “interpretation” was at fault is more evidence that your bias against Trump simply refuses to allow for new information.

    Your brain is closed.

  676. jason says:

    Gant’s coalition would have include Maaretz, a far far party.

    But certainly I am not enamored with some of Bibi’s coalition members either.

    But on the balance, I am much more ideologically in agreement with Likud than any party in Gantz’s coalition.

  677. CG says:

    Those who would wish to enshrine Jewish supremacy (and only of the Orthodox variety) into law inside a democracy are just as bad in theory as Muslim theocrats.

    The far-right parties in Israel are very very far-right. Netanyahu needed them this time to win.

  678. NYCmike says:

    “As a person, he is worse than any of the Democrats running.”

    -Mother Theresa may ask GOD to work some Jesus-magic on her. She will come back just to be your candidate.

  679. CG says:

    How many people are in Maaretz?

    If Gantz had a chance to build a coalition, at least two dozen in Likud would have crossed over. Parliamentary politics is similar everywhere.

    Netanyahu continues to have some severe domestic problems. I have supported him for years but do not think anybody is “above the law.”

    His allies may try to push through a measure declaring that he is.

  680. CG says:

    I know Mother Teresa never paid for abortions.

  681. NYCmike says:

    “Those who would wish to enshrine Jewish supremacy (and only of the Orthodox variety) into law inside a democracy are just as bad in theory as Muslim theocrats.”

    -In theory, maybe.

    In practice, not so much, with ample evidence around the globe to prove that point, especially within the last 200+ years since the United States came into being.

  682. NYCmike says:

    “I know Mother Teresa never paid for abortions.”

    -AND, you don’t know if Trump ever did, so at this point, they are equal in that regard.

  683. jason says:

    When you appeared to wish RBG dead, you should have clarified quickly.”

    Wow, the goalposts have moved even farther in the fantasy direction.

    Before, he claimed that I said it was disgusting that RBG wanted to stay alive, when of course I didn’t say that, didn’t think that, and didn’t imply that. That was Corey’s interpretation of what I meant, and I even clarified it in a subsequent post on the same thread, unprompted.

    Now he ups the ante and says I said I wanted RBG dead.

    Like I said, completely unhinged.

  684. jason says:

    I hope they do pass a law that keeps Netanyahu free from prosecution while he is PM, they can charge him with accepting cigars and champagne if they want after he leaves office.

  685. CG says:

    Somehow, I don’t envision NYC would feel comfortable culturally in an Orthodox enclave in his city (nor would I)such as Crown Heights.

    There are Jewish extremists, including in the U.S, although very small in number here.

    One of the reasons Israel is such an important ally to the U.S. though is because Israel (while being a Jewish State) is a democracy.

    Those in the far-right parties in Israel do not want it to be a democracy. They want to count everybody else out, including the vast majority of Jews in Israel, since the are not Orthodox.

  686. jason says:

    Unlike you I have the ability to admit I can recognize something I have typed that may not come across right.”

    Pathological liar.

    You only corrected it after I commented on how ignorant you came across.

  687. CG says:

    -AND, you don’t know if Trump ever did, so at this point, they are equal in that regard.

    You say this with a straight face?

    Next, you will claim Mother Teresa may have gotten it on with Stormy Daniels too.

  688. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Wes ever paid for abortions.

  689. CG says:

    Any first time reader to the blog would have read how jason specifically responded to Bitterlaw’s post and came away with the same conclusion.

    Others chose (including myself I suppose) to give him the benefit of the doubt because being a horrible person is just par for the course for jason’s internet persona.

    The words he actually typed though were unmistakable.

  690. CG says:

    Ok, maybe in some universe “not alive” does not equal “dead.”

    Purgatory or something?

    Who was the one on here who thought she was dead and people were faking it? Body double and dim lights at the Musical she went to, etc?

  691. jason says:

    The fact that multiple posters here had a different opinion about jason’s statement yet you will not admit that your “interpretation” was at fault is more evidence that your bias against Trump simply refuses to allow for new information.”

    I rarely agree with NYC, but this is correct, I never wrote anything even close to suggesting I wanted any ill to come to RBG, and Corey’s interpretation is a complete and utter fantasy.

  692. jason says:

    The words he actually typed though were unmistakable.”

    Actually, I never typed anything of the sort.

    I was making the point that I thought it was disgusting that RBG wanted to cling to the office even though she was obviously ill. My subsequent post on the same thread spelled it out even more clearly.

    Someone can disagree if that is disgusting or not, but to say I meant I wanted her to die is completely false. Not only did I not think that, say that or imply that, you cannot find a post anywhere in all the years I have been here where I wished illness, death or anything bad to happen to any other poster or politician or public figure.

  693. CG says:

    Clearly, you still have a guilty conscience over it.

    The posts were clear- I am going to paraphrase.

    Bitterlaw: I admire her will to stay until Trump leaves but wish she would retire. Perhaps Corey and Robbie will donate organs to keep her alive.

    jason: Why Bitterlaw, I find it disgusting.

    Again, Bitterlaw specifically referenced the choices (i.e I wish she would retire but admire her will to live)

    You dismissed *the whole thing* and said it was “disgusting.” You should have simply said, “I agree , it’s good she wants to live but wish she would retire. You had *nothing* to disagree with Bitterlaw on, unless you wanted to stand up for Robbie and I against his lame joke.

    It should have been very simple for you to admit you typed too quickly or something. Wes even called you on it very soon.

    What’s your excuse for, insisting for hours that Michael Jackson at age 4, was accused of having assassinated JFK?

  694. CG says:

    She has since recovered and returned to the Court for arguments. She looks the same as she has for years.

    So obviously, she wasn’t as sick as Dr. jason alleged.

    The chutzpah from jason is that he claimed that if Antonin Scalia had survived his heart attack, and missed a bit of Court, he would have demanded he step down so Barack Obama could replace him.

    Yeah right.

  695. CG says:

    Since she is no longer “clinging” to office, do you regret your claim?

    Can you now just simply say you want her to retire for political purposes?

  696. CG says:

    “you cannot find a post anywhere in all the years I have been here where I wished illness, death or anything bad to happen to any other poster or politician or public figure.”

    You view “GFY” as an act of self-love?

    You pick a weird time to use it then when you get angry.

  697. Phil says:

    Mr Sanctimonious arrives to correct us and make us better human beings. We’re all either racist xenophobes or incensitive toward the sick. Mr conscience strikes again. Typical.

  698. CG says:

    Not all, just some.

    And “judging” is part of life on the internet. We all do it. Especially you Phil.

  699. CG says:

    I’ve said nothing “bad” on here today about any poster, except for jason (and one little line about mnw)

  700. NYCmike says:

    “Somehow, I don’t envision NYC would feel comfortable culturally in an Orthodox enclave in his city (nor would I)such as Crown Heights.”

    -I would probably feel the same way as an Orthodox Jew would feel if they lived in the “enclave” I grew up in…….but it would have ZERO to do with personal safety.

    Human beings are social animals, and tend to congregate with people of the same beliefs.

    Is that a crime on your mountaintop?

  701. CG says:

    I clearly said “culturally”

    and you were deflating Jews in America with the specific instance of very rigid Orthodox Jews in Israel who now will have more political influence than ever before.

    There have been issues of personal safety for Jews (not to mention the assassination of a Prime Minister in 1995) in Israel because of the actions of extreme sects.

  702. CG says:

    No crime on Mount CG, but I do I think it is good for people to have exposure to all sorts of different people.

    NYC has mentioned being amid a group of Muslims in NYC in the past and not liking the experience. Was that about a different culture or personal safety?

  703. CG says:

    The Sweathogs were all about to get along in Brooklyn…

  704. jason says:

    Dang, I bet Avenatti is sorry he met Stormy Daniels…

    I keep thinking that Manafort would never have been charged if he hadn’t worked on the Trump campaign, maybe Avenatti would not have either.

    https://apnews.com/13dfe6409e7249ae9c56a97ba2c690ed

  705. jason says:

    You view “GFY” as an act of self-love?”

    Yes.

  706. Bitterlaw says:

    I see Muslims when I am in the city. I have gotten on elevators with women wearing full burqas. I never had any concern for my safety or gave it a second thought.

  707. Bitterlaw says:

    An elevator filled with Mets fans? I have concerns.

  708. CG says:

    725. Odd

    Well if “GFY” is an “act of love” that you say to people out of affection, then Jeb Bush talking about illegal immigrants coming because they are desperate to provide for their family as a matter of survival must be an act of love too.

    And of course Marco Rubio said he would have probably been an illegal immigrant if he had to.

  709. CG says:

    726. Don’t you sort of want to die though?

  710. jason says:

    Corey still fantasizing about what I never said. The “paraphrasing” is hilarious, though.

    You have to give him an A for persistence in lying.

    And yes, I still think RBG is “clinging” to the office, and she should resign asap. I don’t think she is healthy enough to fulfill the duties of SCOTUS. If you think she is, fine with me.

    Finally, I never said Scalia should resign because of a heart attack, that is another lying fantasy.

  711. NYCmike says:

    I would also say that I have eaten in and made deliveries to various other “enclaves” around this great city, and I was always as comfortable as anywhere else, mainly because I take the approach that there are wackos everywhere, and to stay alert.

  712. CG says:

    She’s probably healthier than you jason. Your diagnosis of her turned out to be wrong. She’s returned to Court and is doing her job, whether you like the way she does it or not. As anybody gets older, they have health issues from time to time. There is no reason to believe she is suffering from anything fatal.

    Are you going to demand Alex Trebek quit Jeopardy?

  713. CG says:

    Scalia died immediately as we all know. When we had this discussion though, you said that if he has to miss any time on the Court, he should have resigned. This was when you were backed into a corner on RBG. Obviously, you were full of bs when you said it.

  714. jason says:

    Jeb Bush talking about illegal immigrants coming because they are desperate to provide for their family as a matter of survival must be an act of love too.

    And of course Marco Rubio said he would have probably been an illegal immigrant if he had to.”

    Everyone would be an illegal immigrant if they had to.

    Funny that you are still defending Jeb on probably the stupidest statement of the campaign, I guess you are still angry I was right when I said it would doom his campaign. Well, kind of right, there were other idiotic statements too.

    Rubio never said illegal immigration was an act of love.

    What Jeb implied, and pretty much everyone but you understood, was that we shouldn’t apply immigration laws to people coming to be reunited with family or for economic hardship.

    It was the wrong message and he paid for it. You can invent any explanation for that statement, but I guarantee most Republican voters got the right message.

  715. jason says:

    Are you going to demand Alex Trebek quit Jeopardy?”

    Is Corey really comparing a game show to SCOTUS?

  716. CG says:

    That isn’t true. At the time, you were proven to have lied about the Jeb Bush quote because in the next line he talked about consequences and referred to it as breaking the law. By lying about it, you aligned yourself with the Trump wing that took over the party you left.

    Jeb was totally right on the substance, and you are of course a hypocrite on the matter. You always thought he was more likely to be nominated than me though.

  717. CG says:

    735.

    What is get a life?

  718. jason says:

    hen we had this discussion though, you said that if he has to miss any time on the Court, he should have resigned.”

    I bet this is a lie.

    I probably said if he was long term incapacitated he should resign.

    I very much doubt, in fact I will bet against it, that I said if he “has to miss ANY time on the Court” he should resign.

    You want to take a bet that I never said that?

  719. NYCmike says:

    “There have been issues of personal safety for Jews (not to mention the assassination of a Prime Minister in 1995) in Israel because of the actions of extreme sects.”

    -Let’s compare the number of issues “of personal safety for Jews” to the DAILY lives of those who live among radical Muslims. Take it even further and look at Muslims who live in countries where they are ruled by other Muslims.

    The “extreme sects” among Israelis are nowhere near the radicals in Islam.

    And to make sure, we are speaking about the year 2019.

  720. CG says:

    How is RBG “clinging” to the job when she shows up at the official function the same way the other 8 do?

  721. jason says:

    ou always thought he was more likely to be nominated than me though.”

    LOL

    I never thought he had a chance in hell.

    And the proof is in the pudding. His campaign was a disaster, he spent 200 million for 4 delegates, and his “act of Love” was smart? Was “I will respect conservatives” smart too?

  722. jason says:

    How is RBG “clinging” to the job when she shows up at the official function the same way the other 8 do?”

    Miracles of modern medicine, drugs and hatred for Trump.

  723. CG says:

    So, you conceded my point and backtracked on Scalia.

    If he were on life support, in a complete coma, you would not have been calling on him to leave or be taken off the Court as long as Obama was President.

    RBG taking a few weeks off to recover from surgery (as other Justices have)was hardly a sign she would never be able to recover.

  724. CG says:

    NYC, as Muslim countries should be very concerned about having theocrats in position of power, so should the world’s one Jewish country.

    It is better for Israel to have people in office (who will be almost exclusively Jewish anyway) who wish to keep a democracy and not have religious tests.

  725. jason says:

    Jeb Bush’s intention with that quote was to give illegal immigration a pass.

    You know it, I know it, and most Rs knew it too.

    But keep spinning for Jeb, you are still mired in 2016.

    It just proves you still haven’t gotten ove ti.

  726. CG says:

    No, that’s not at all what Jeb Bush said, since he clearly talked about how the problem needed to be combated in the very same paragraph.

    You were obsessed with Jeb back then. Clearly, you were worried he would be nominated so you had to lie about him. I wish you would have been more right on the fear. Rubio of course totally agreed with Jeb’s statement when asked about it, and deep down you admit you agree with it too.

  727. NYCmike says:

    I disagree with jason about RBG having to retire, although I wish she would.

    I disagree with “CG”‘s interpretation of what jason said regarding RBG, and realize any words to show “CG” his error are useless, as new information is not being accepted…..a condition that has remained since November 9, 2016.

  728. CG says:

    Are you willing now NYC to admit your suspicions of the time that she might not be alive or is worse off than people were being told, turned out to be incorrect?

  729. NYCmike says:

    “NYC, as Muslim countries should be very concerned about having theocrats in position of power, so should the world’s one Jewish country.”

    -How many seats did the “ultra-orthodox” parties get this time around?

  730. CG says:

    More than ever before and their leader will be in the Cabinet, etc. They are part of the majority coalition for the first time.

  731. NYCmike says:

    “Are you willing now NYC to admit your suspicions of the time that she might not be alive or is worse off than people were being told, turned out to be incorrect?”

    -Trust, but verify.

    Do you have an issue with that concept?

  732. CG says:

    You didn’t trust though.

    And yes, I do, when the premise is absurd.

    The absurdity would be that the mechanisms of the SCOTUS itself would lie to the public, especially for that reason.

  733. NYCmike says:

    “More than ever before and their leader will be in the Cabinet, etc. They are part of the majority coalition for the first time.”

    -How many?

  734. CG says:

    -Trust, but verify.

    Describes my view on the need to release the full Mueller Report of course.

  735. NYCmike says:

    “You didn’t trust though.”

    -Heh!

    You are a clown!

    There is no use of responding if you decide to dismiss what the person says and decide that they mean something else.

    Take care.

  736. CG says:

    I Googled the seat allocation and it looks like at least 25 seats. That’s with the parties I recognize the names of. There may be more if some of the other parties are among them.

  737. jason says:

    I am hardly an immigration deadender, and if someone like me thought Jeb had just shot himself in the head, you can imagine what they thought.

    But anyway here is what we have learned for Corey about Jeb the last few threads

    1) He didn’t say anything stupid
    2) He was very well prepared
    3) He excelled in the debates
    4) He had the right message
    5) His body language was superb
    6) His stump speech was inspiring.

    The reason he spent 200 million and only got 4 delegates?

    Bad haircut?

  738. CG says:

    “RBG is dead and people are covering it up” was not a valid theory.

    It was more likely to be true when the Chairman of the Cook County Board had a stroke once and was never seen again until his son was given the position and then he died.

  739. jason says:

    Describes my view on the need to release the full Mueller Report of course.”

    LOL

    Sounds like Nadler and the other Dem clowns in congress.

    Hope against hope maybe the report will have something, anything, damming against Trump.

  740. Wes says:

    Jason and Corey are having one hell of a ping pong match.

  741. CG says:

    I never said anything about Jeb’s body language or public speaking.

    He had the best credentials though out of anyone who ran (I would have backed Romney over him)and best represented my conservative outlook.

    Credentials and conservatism were not important though for enough people in the 2016 process. We have already established that.

  742. jason says:

    So, you conceded my point and backtracked on Scalia.

    No moving the goalposts.

    Do you want to bet I never said Scalia should resign if he spent ANY time away from the court?

    Either bet or admit you lied about what I said

  743. CG says:

    All I claimed is that you said Scalia should resign even if Obama replaced him. You linked it to the situation at the time with RBG who was never on life support or anything like that.

    You were full of crap then as usual. GFY (said as a term of affection per your admission)

  744. jason says:

    Credentials and conservatism were not important though for enough people in the 2016 process.”

    Let me fix it for you.

    They were not enough for enough people…

    And besides, you and Amoral Scumbag are the only ones here that thought Jeb ran on conservative credentials.

    If he had, he would never have said “I respect conservatives”.

    You know, it would not hurt you to admit Jeb ran a GE race before he had the nomination secured, probably because of bad advice or maybe arrogance.

    Insisting he ran a good race with the right message when he spent 200 million for 4 delegates just makes you look irrational.

  745. CG says:

    “There is no use of responding if you decide to dismiss what the person says and decide that they mean something else.”

    I don’t think I did NYC, but I would be willing to listen if there was some confusion.

    You absolutely did that when in the transgender issue discussion you claimed that I was taking the side of government involvement. I wasn’t even addressing that point.

  746. jason says:

    All I claimed is that you said Scalia should resign even if Obama replaced him.”

    Really?

    Let me quote you:

    “When we had this discussion though, you said that if he has to miss any time on the Court, he should have resigned.”

    You want to admit I never said that?

    I will give you the courtesy you never gave me.

  747. CG says:

    I think running a GE election from Day 1 is admirable. I also know that Jeb ran as a conservative because I know what he actually said. He talked about his accomplishments in FL ad naeseum. (Veto Corleone, etc) People rolled their eyes. They didn’t care. They didn’t care about Senate votes cast either. They wanted to hear Democrats and the media called nasty nicknames.

  748. CG says:

    I don’t know if that is specifically what you said. That is how I interpreted it. I may not be totally correct.

    However, the general premise that you are full of crap stands.

    *Not a single right-leaning person here would have called for Scalia to be removed from the Court even if he were hooked up to a breathing machine for years as long as Obama was President*

    If you said you would have, you are lying.

  749. jason says:

    It’s a slow day wes, and I enjoy seeing Corey have to lie his ass off and keeping digging a deeper and deeper hole as the thread goes on.

    I mean he is back to defending “act of Love”, which any rational human being would understand, even if you give it the most generous interpretation possible, that Jeb would take back in a nanosecond if he could.

  750. jason says:

    “I don’t know if that is specifically what you said. That is how I interpreted it. I may not be totally correct.”

    That happens to you a lot, doesn’t it?

    I guess you are not betting.

    The dogs are sad.

  751. CG says:

    “Act of Love” was brought up because you admit that “GFY” is something you say to people you want to be happy. It seems a little kinky, but I guess it’s the thought that counts.

    The concept that Jeb Bush ever said that illegal immigration be given a pass is totally false though. He said exactly the opposite in the next sentence after “act of love.”

    Since then, Trump who says everything possible about just about every issue, has used the same terminology.

    A month ago he said he wanted “immigrants to come legally in the greatest numbers ever.”

    This week it’s “America is full.”

  752. CG says:

    When I am not certain on a specific I admit it. I might be correct but would have to examine the transcripts.

    You concede that you envision a scenario where Scalia should have had to quit or be removed. I think you are lying.

    Let’s just say Scalia and Ginsburg were going through the exact same situation.

    Cancer surgery and a relatively brief recovery.

    Would it have been “disgusting” for Scalia to cling to office? Everyone here, during the Obama years, would have been praying for him to cling as long as he could.

  753. CG says:

    See you next week..

  754. Tina says:

    Wh chief counsel door the obumbler has been indicted.

    This is the top catch so far from F Muleheads investigation,

  755. Tina says:

    Baby steps, baby steps…

    Joel Fischer
    @JFNYC1
    · 2h
    .@TedLieu to @CNN: The FBI didn’t spy on the Trump campaign, “This was authorized surveillance.”

  756. NYCmike says:

    h/t Instapundit – I need to read the links to see what exactly this means……but would any Democratic candidate push for this?

    “REINING IN THE DEEP STATE: One of the ways the regulatory bureaucracy works is through issuing “guidance documents” that essentially have the force of law, without having to jump through the pesky hoops of getting a bill through congress or complying with the Administrative Procedure Act. Some good news today, though – the President is issuing an executive order aimed at curbing this practice.

    The EO will also require agencies to comply with laws about submitting documents to Congress, something previous Presidents have let their agency heads ignore. It’s a few small steps along the road to dealing with the bigger problem, but it’s good they’re being taken.

    The Executive Order is something my colleague Wayne Crews has been advocating for, so kudos to him.”

  757. NYCmike says:

    Triple 7!

    I’ll have to play MegaMillions this week.