O’Rourke Leads Trump By Double Digits Nationally

We have the new head-to-head numbers from that CNN poll and it shows the strongest Democratic candidate to take on Donald Trump is not Joe Biden, but Beto O’Rourke.

Beto O’Rourke (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Joe Biden (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Bernie Sanders (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Kamala Harris (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 47%

This poll was done April 25-28 among 1007 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:46 pm
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401 Responses to “O’Rourke Leads Trump By Double Digits Nationally”

  1. jason says:

    Ok it’s decided then.

    Let’s go with Beto.

  2. Tina says:

    Beta Male,

  3. Tina says:

    Flub aka open borders has spoken on sanctuary cities

    Larry Schweikart
    Jeb Bush: ‘Not Sure’ Sanctuary Cities for Illegals Are a ‘Problem’ in Florida (link: via

  4. VictrC says:

    Ok, I am not the poll trasher that some others are, but seriously, does anyone believe this? Robert Francis wouldn’t get 52% in Texas, what honestly makes anyone believe he would get that nationally.

    BTW, I did take a look at the internals. Trump approval on Economy 56%. Overall Approval its highest ever at 45%. Is Trump doing a good job, 50% (exact same numbers as Obama and 11% higher than Clinton in ’94). Breakdown is 33D 26 R 41I

    With those numbers how is he losing by 10% to a three term congressman from El Paso??

  5. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #5- VictrC
    Add to your fisking that in all the CNN head-to-heads except for Slow Joe, President Trump carries Independents by 3-5%.

  6. jason says:

    Sanctuary cities are an Act of Love.

  7. Victrc says:

    Sheeple. I didn’t see that

    I can honestly say that at times I do not recognize the country we live in. The crazies have been emboldened and truly it is the patients running the asylum.

    Even during the Bush years the left was bad but not this unhinged.

  8. jason says:

    Alabama State Rep John Rogers on abortion:

    “Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now or you kill them later.”

  9. dblaikie says:

    At the very least a poll has to pass the smell test. There is not a lot about CNN that passes the smell test. If he were posting here I am sure that Robbie (Wormtongue) would be all over this which would provide proof that this poll stinks.

  10. dblaikie says:

    Nancy’s comments prove that the dems are scared about what Barr is doing with the crap that started the whole Russian mess.

  11. Tina says:

    So, there were spies deployed by fib?

    Byron York
    NYT: FBI sent undercover agent to spy on Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos in summer 2016. (link: Papadopoulos talked to me about this and other encounters here:

  12. Waingro says:

    Sounds an awful lot like “spying” to me.

    The Hill
    Verified account

    Follow Follow @thehill
    JUST IN: FBI sent undercover investigator to meet with Trump campaign aide as part of Russia probe: report

  13. Chicon says:

    Tina – doesn’t this mean that the “investigation” (coup) was ongoing prior to the famous Papadopoulos meeting; rather than begun because of the meeting, as we’ve been previously told?

  14. Tina says:

    Exactly, chicon.

    I wonder what the jebots think?

  15. dblaikie says:

    For all of you folks here who have lectured simple people like me that Joe Biden (Uncle Joe) was going to make formidable candidate, please tell me what you think about his astute, erudite, and deep statement that China wasn’t a threat? Pretty smart politics if you want to lose.

  16. dblaikie says:

    With this Papadopoulos stuff coming out in the Times, we know why Nancy went off the deep end today. We have turned the corner folks. Forget Russia, forget obstruction, now they are all focused like a laser beam to destroy Bill Barr before he lays bare all the stuff that happened 2016. I think even Obama is a little scared today.

  17. NYCmike says:

    I watched Nancy this morning…..she is an odious creature! Also, she looked a bit haggard, even by here botoxed-eyes-wide-open standards.

  18. mnw says:


    Isles are in the soup now. One game at a time is how they have to look at it.

    The Blues played their worst game of the post-season last night, imo. Slow & sloppy about covers it.

  19. NYCmike says:


    Tough games for both of us last night!

    Yup, one game, one shift at a time! All you can do…….BUT, the Islanders have done it before!

  20. NYCmike says:

    “But the most interesting part of the is that “69% think Congress ought to investigate the origins of the Justice Department’s inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, including 76% of Democrats, 69% of independents and 62% of Republicans.””

  21. Tina says:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    economy may be starting to kick in with his poll numbers;

    Approval today (Aggregate 47%) RV/LV

    Rasmussen 51% +1
    HarrisX 46%
    The Hill 46% +1
    YopuGov 45% +2

  22. Big Joe says:

    President Trump seems triggered by the avuncular Joe Biden.

    Big Joe

  23. lisab says:

    hillary asks china to hack the irs to gets trumps tax returns

  24. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    22. One has to assume some voters who do not approve of Trump, will nevertheless vote for him as the lesser of two evils. It is going to be close. Sanders is ripping into Biden now; am not sure the far left is going to be on board for Biden if he gets the nomination.

  25. lisab says:

    actually many will vote for trump that dont like him

    more than in 2016, because he has proven he will appoint judges the gop likes and get rid of some regulations and taxes, which was not at all clear in 2016 when some were calling him a democrat — plus trump runs the gop this
    time, where before the rnc was not his close ally


    more will vote for him because the dem candidate is likely to be awful both in policies and as a campaigner

    i cannot see biden getting as many votes as hillary

  26. dblaikie says:

    Biden’s comment about China should bring terror to every never trumper about 2020

  27. Tina says:

    Biden is on tape praising Darth Cheney.

    There is backlash by the socialists, it is #2 on twittter.

    Bad couple of days for Gaffe with China, Ukraine, and cccp sanders cutting him up,

  28. Tina says:

    Not to mention the spies being sent into a presidential campaign.

    Ordered by the Obumbler, with full knowledge of Gaffe.

    Oh wait, I jumped ahead a few chapters….

  29. mnw says:

    Mike 21

    Interesting link. I hadn’t seen that.

  30. mnw says:

    Tina 22

    My own theory about the modest (but apparent) increase in Trump’s JA is: Low info voters (“Lo-Fo’s”) are only now waking up to the reality of the improving economy. I really believe this is true!

    Joe Sixpack & the missus just do NOT read stories about the UE rate or the jobless claims or real wages.

    I think it’s like the proverbial ocean liner making a U-turn. It takes a LOOONG time. But one day, at the water cooler or the kitchen table, a light bulb goes on. “You know, we’re really doing a little better now, & it started a couple of years back… hmmm.”

  31. Tina says:

    Mnw, good points.

    Those folks are getting the biggest wage gains and were beneficiaries of the tax cuts.

  32. mnw says:


    Yes! And Joe’s chronically underemployed, work shy brother-in-law suddenly has a full time job.

  33. jason says:

    Why there is no hope for Baltimore. Mayor resigns graft scandal but educated people say it’s “wrong to attack her character”..

    “Grate, a 65-year-old administration assistant at Morgan State University, didn’t vote for Pugh and didn’t necessarily approve of the job she was doing in office. Still, she said it was wrong to attack her character.

    “She may have done some things unethically, but how they’re doing her is just unfair,” she said. “It’s just a very sad thing. My heart goes out to her.”

  34. jason says:

    It will be funny to watch the MSM if Barr is held in contempt of Congress.

    When it happened to Holder, they yawned and said it was no big deal.

    Now it will be MOMENTOUS.

  35. jason says:

    President Trump seems triggered by the avuncular Joe Biden.

    Big Joe”

    Big Joe is a polite guy.

    He didn’t want to say creepy uncle.

  36. jason says:

    Chewbacca died….RIP.

  37. Tina says:

    Remember, Pete the cheat, the mistress, and the OCONUS Lures?

    1) Stefan Halper
    2) Joseph Mifsud
    3) The fake ‘Putin niece’
    4) Alexander Downer
    5) Azra Turk

  38. Tina says:

    OCONUS Lures = spies= Fib and Cia assets.

  39. mnw says:


    Absolutely correct. Also, my sense is that the public is just bored with the whole thing now. BORED.

  40. NYCmike says:

    If a person “is held in contempt of Congress” or, for us normals, “in contempt of court”, is there any way to fight that distinction?

    Is there a scenario where the contempt charge is removed, even if, for example, Barr does not show up to be questioned?

  41. Tgca says:

    Cuarenta tres Bebe!

    Ay un papi!

  42. mnw says:

    Mike 42

    Pretty exotic stuff! In an ordinary, “every day” fed criminal proceeding, if a witness fails to show at the GJ after having received a subpoena, the worst thing that can happen is a night in jail– until a fed magistrate can set a bond.

    As soon as the witness shows up at the GJ, the “contempt is purged,” usually.

  43. jason says:

    Cuarenta tres Bebe!

    Ay un papi!”

    Tgca must have downed a gallon jug of chocolate-butterscotch-maple syrup.

  44. jason says:

    Where is ObamaCON?

    He must be watching slow motion videos of government tanks crushing demonstrators in his socialist paradise of Venezuela.

  45. NYCmike says:

    Is it just me, or does the way Kamala Harris ask questions irk anyone else?

  46. jason says:

    The Justice Dept will not enforce a contempt charge against Barr, and neither will the executive branch assist.

    So the only other way is for the House to order the sergeant at arms to arrest Barr under the “inherent contempt” option.

    But this hasn’t happened since 1935.

  47. jason says:

    I would probably be irked if I had the stomach to watch.

  48. jason says:

    A leftist with a Eureka moment..Michael Tracey

    “If you’re even passingly familiar with how Trump/Russia “bombshell” news cycles have worked for the past three years, you’d know that media idiots melodramatically lose their minds for about 24 hours, then the entire thing fizzles and everybody moves on to the next fake outrage”

  49. jason says:

    Yah thinks, NYT?

    “The decision to use Ms. Turk in the operation aimed at a presidential campaign official shows the level of alarm inside the F.B.I. during a frantic period when the bureau was trying to determine the scope of Russia’s attempts to disrupt the 2016 election, but could also give ammunition to Mr. Trump and his allies for their spying claims.”

    Evidently “Azra” in Turkish is “pure”, so the woman’s name was Pure Turk.

  50. Ron N says:

    What spying I was only trying to set up my insurance policy!!! Dan it.

  51. mnw says:

    WaPo labels Louis Farrakhan “a far-right leader.” Huh. Barry Goldwater; Ronald Reagan; and… Louis Farrakhan.

    Who knew?

  52. Big Joe says:

    “He didn’t want to say creepy uncle.”

    If I went with “creepy uncle,” I’d also have to say something about Trump.. I’d rather keep it polite 🙂

    Big Joe

  53. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason is horrified by Joe Biden yet has no problem with his Orange Sex Fantasy grabbing women’s pussies against their will. Jason is truly a sick phuck.


  54. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON has no problem with Biden feeling up little girls in public or Bill Clinton raping women or Hillary Clinton covering for him, but is SHOCKED, I tell you about Trump talking about grabbing p-ssy in a private conversation.

    I am surprised he drove by though, I thought he would be having orgasms watching Maduro’s tanks running over the protester in his socialist paradise of Venezuela.

  55. jason says:

    Proud ObamCON has a quandary every night.

    Can’t decide which blow-up doll he is going to sleep with. Stalin, Lenin, Castro or his newest, Maduro.

  56. Big Joe says:

    OK, now I remember why I no longer visit HHR…

    Big Joe

  57. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Trump talking about grabbing p-ssy in a private conversation.”

    Jason perfectly OK with Orange sexually assaulting women and then bragging about it.


  58. Proud Obamacon says:

    He probably wishes his Orange Fantasy would grab his pu$$y. He’s probably wetting his pants thinking about it right now!

  59. Proud Obamacon says:

    “an’t decide which blow-up doll he is going to sleep with.”

    And now stealing my lines. Pathetic. Go nail your Robert E. Lee, and David Duke dolls. Threesome time. Nasty!

  60. Tina says:

    BREAKING: Special Counsel Mueller “deeply disturbed” by Pelosi accusations against AG Barr today and is urging Nadler to push up his hearing to testify and correct the record as soon as possible – @OANN

  61. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, you need to jump off the Biden bandwagon. JFK, Carter, B Clinton, Obama. What to they have in common? Let’s go.


  62. Big Joe says:

    “BJ, you need to jump off the Biden bandwagon.”

    Proud, why do you keep accusing me of being a Biden cheerleader. I do like Biden and I think he would be a fine nominee. But I like other Democrats too who are currently running. You seem to be triggered by Biden just like Pres. Trump is triggered.

    Big Joe

  63. Proud Obamacon says:

    Loosah please, you love Biden. He can’t win, bruh.


  64. Big Joe says:

    The primaries will work it all out. We will have a nominee in about a year and I’m sure you will support that nominee whoever he/she is. I know I will. Will you?

    Big Joe

  65. Paul says:

    57: I’d definitely go with Lenin. He’s nicely preserved.

  66. Hugh says:

    Hey Big Joe. I hope you continue posting here. You’re a good guy. If there were more people like you on the left and the right this country would be happier and better off.

  67. Paul says:

    Looks like you can buy frontrunner Beto for only 6 cents at predict. Could be a bargain!

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree that Big Joe must stay here and post. He is an honorable and thoughtful Democrat.

  69. Chicon says:

    63 – Tina, do you have a link?

  70. Paul says:

    72: That’s pretty funny.

  71. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here we go again — the New York Times had an article on Biden’s son and his involvement in questionable dealings in the Ukraine. Mueller investigated Manafort’s involvement in the Ukraine — did he give Biden’s son a pass?

    WASHINGTON — It was a foreign policy role Joseph R. Biden Jr. enthusiastically embraced during his vice presidency: browbeating Ukraine’s notoriously corrupt government to clean up its act. And one of his most memorable performances came on a trip to Kiev in March 2016, when he threatened to withhold $1 billion in United States loan guarantees if Ukraine’s leaders did not dismiss the country’s top prosecutor, who had been accused of turning a blind eye to corruption in his own office and among the political elite.
    The pressure campaign worked. The prosecutor general, long a target of criticism from other Western nations and international lenders, was soon voted out by the Ukrainian Parliament.
    Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden, Mr. Biden’s younger son, who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.
    Hunter Biden was a Yale-educated lawyer who had served on the boards of Amtrak and a number of nonprofit organizations and think tanks, but lacked any experience in Ukraine and just months earlier had been discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine. He would be paid as much as $50,000 per month in some months for his work for the company, Burisma Holdings.
    The broad outlines of how the Bidens’ roles intersected in Ukrainehave been known for some time. The former vice president’s campaign said that he had always acted to carry out United States policy without regard to any activities of his son, that he had never discussed the matter with Hunter Biden and that he learned of his son’s role with the Ukrainian energy company from news reports.
    * * * *
    Kate Bedingfield, a Biden campaign spokeswoman, said the former vice president’s 2016 push to oust the former prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, was undertaken “without any regard for how it would or would not impact any business interests of his son, a private citizen.”
    The effort, she added, was consistent with “the United States’ foreign policy to root out corruption in Ukraine” and was backed by the United States government, allies and multilateral institutions, including the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
    The younger Mr. Biden said in the statement, “At no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business, or my board service, including my initial decision to join

  72. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Wikipedia:

    “On 18 April 2014, Hunter Biden, the son of then-US vice president Joe Biden, who managed US-Ukraine relations for the Obama administration, was appointed to the board of Burisma Holdings. On their website, Hunter Biden wrote that he believed Burisma was important to the economy of Ukraine and that he would be “consulting the company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities”.[3] He became an acting member of the board of directors on 12 May 2014.[4]”

    Burisma is a gas company involved with fracking. So much for Biden supporting the Green New Deal. Although another type of green is involved.

  73. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So only months after being discharged from the military for cocaine use, and with no knowledge of the Ukraine; Hunter Biden gets a $50,000 a month consulting contract from a Ukrainian company; at a time his father is responsible fo handling U.S.-Ukrainian relations for the Obama Administration.
    Even Hillary might have held her noise up on this one.

  74. Tina says:

    Chicon, the link is oan, jack posibiec. You can check out his twitter feed. With that said, MOAB HERE:

    Catherine Herridge: If you take Director Comey out of the equation and his actions in 2016 and 2017 would the country be where it is today?

    President Trump: I think he did a terrible job. I would say he probably led some kind of an effort to, the words spying has been used, he probably was one of the people leading the effort on spying.

    Catherine Herridge: That’s a pretty serious charge.

    President Trump: I know, I know and we’ll find out if it was true and I think it could very well be true.

  75. Tina says:

    Wh Lawyer, Flood, slams the Sc in a brutal,letter to AG Barr. Lots of nuggets in the letter.

  76. jason says:

    Great letter.

  77. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #78 & 79
    I agree.
    Boy, does Mr. Flood take a direct shot at Comey toward the end of the letter. I hope that Comey has lawyered-up!

  78. Tina says:

    In the letter, Sr intelligence official could refer to the Commie, former cia Director. No doubt though that flood hammered Comedy.

    I have noticed that the commie has made attacks and the president has not responded.

    Rumor is that information on Flynn is coming out today.

  79. Tina says:

    Article on Barr taking out Benito and Fuhrer early on, when Barr was a private citizen.

  80. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    263,000 new jobs in April and a dip to a 3.6% unemployment rate

  81. mnw says:

    83 Sheep

    Yes. Hourly wages were flat, though, so that will be the headline.

    The jobs # was also revised upwards for the previous 2 months.

  82. mnw says:

    Barron’s: “a stunningly good payrolls report”

  83. Chicon says:

    Mnw, the games just keep getting bigger. Game 5 tonight is kinda big. Good game last night between Boston and Columbus.

    Have your thoughts changed on whether to investigate the coup plotters? That NYT article was pretty damning, imo. If accurate – and the author is apparently the FBI go-to guy – the “investigation began much earlier than previously revealed.

  84. jason says:

    J, you need to jump off the Biden bandwagon. JFK, Carter, B Clinton, Obama. What to they have in common? Let’s go.”

    I will respond to the Stalinist.

    Let’s see, bad Presidents?

  85. jason says:

    The strategy of turning the other cheek and allowing the type of nonsense shown in the hearings to go unchecked is folly to me.

  86. jason says:

    Even Hillary might have held her noise up on this one”


  87. mnw says:

    Chi 86

    Yes G 5 IS big. The Blues truly stunk the place out in G 4. I’m going to this one tonite, as I think I mentioned.

    The coup plotters: I have mixed feelings. I still think it’s a political liability for Trump. The most recent polls indicate to me that voters are tired of hearing about it.

    However, I see the case for letting the sun shine in, as a warning to the next wannabe coup plotters.

  88. mnw says:

    RAS 50/47 & -4 today.

  89. jason says:

    So the DNC was meeting with foreign officials to get dirt on Trump.

    Is that “collusion”?

    “In written answers to questions, Ambassador Valeriy Chaly’s office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on Paul Manafort’s dealings inside the country, in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress.

    “She said the DNC wanted to collect evidence that Trump, his organization and Manafort were Russian assets, working to hurt the U.S. and working with Putin against the U.S. interests. She indicated if we could find the evidence they would introduce it in Congress in September and try to build a case that Trump should be removed from the ballot, from the election,” he recalled.

  90. jason says:


    “GREAT AGAIN: Stocks Surge on New Jobs Report, Lowest Unemployment in a Generation: “The U.S. adding a robust 263,000 new hires in April while the unemployment rate fell to 3.6%, the lowest in a generation, according to a Labor Department report Friday. Nonfarm payroll growth beat Wall Street expectations of 190,000 and a 3.8% jobless rate, according to Dow Jones estimates.”

    Paul Krugman on Election Night: “If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.”

  91. jason says:

    I don’t think Paul will be delivering a “second pass”.

  92. DW says:

    Now the Dems have 24 candidates in their 2020 clown car.

  93. DW says:

    “Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now or you kill them later.”

    The mother of all false-dilemma logical fallacies.

  94. jason says:

    He doubled down and announced Trump Jr. is the reason abortion should be legal.

  95. jason says:

    “Support for impeachment craters: Now at 29/66 in new Quinnipiac poll”

    Bad news.

    I want the Dems to go for impeachment.

  96. Phil says:

    By all means – let them go for impeachment. Go for it. Put the brain dead embarrassment Senator from Hawaii out there on the talk circuit to lead the charge. I’m all in.

  97. Bitterlaw says:


  98. mnw says:

    I’m glad Krugman is a Nobel laureate economist… and not my stock broker*.

    If he practiced what he was preaching on election night, then he’s missed out on the best investing opportunity of his lifetime.

    *(I don’t have a broker. I like to make my own mistakes. Plus the management fee is quite reasonable!)

  99. DW says:

    Yesterday Noah Syndergaard of the NY Mets completed a feat rarer than the no-hitter. He pitched a complete game shutout (allowed 4 hits) while at the same time provided the difference on offense, hitting a solo homer in the 1-0 victory.

    American league should force pitchers to hit.

  100. jason says:

    Plus the management fee is quite reasonable!)”

    Not if you lose your ass, it ain’t….

    *Full disclosure: I don’t have one either.

  101. Ghost of Maxwell says:


  102. jason says:

    Hey Gary, how’s life without A-holes?

  103. jason says:

    Who deserved the Nobel Prize less?

    Obama or Krugman?

    I know, it’s a tough one.

  104. DW says:

    Ghost of Maxwell / aka MD, how’s it going? When are you going to return to your former self?

  105. jason says:

    “Concerned Eateries”

    “Dining out isn’t the most eco-friendly activity, thanks to the carbon footprint of food brought in and the waste inherent in running a restaurant. Now, an effort by California restaurants wants diners to help fight climate change – by paying more.

    Concerned eateries can join the Restore California Renewable Restaurant Program and add an optional 1% surcharge to diners’ checks. The money will go towards a public fund to help farmers reduce carbon in their food production practices.”

  106. jason says:

    I am surprised the new tax is only 1%.

    Maybe if you order a meat dish they can put another 25% on.

    Didn’t go for higher priced organic options? 25%

    Farted in restaurant? 15%

    Used the restroom and flushed toilet? 10% Did not flush? 5%

    Drove to restaurant? 50%

  107. Ghost of Maxwell says:

    I am not MD. GFY again. Shove an aluminum bat up Bitterlaw.

  108. jason says:

    Messy and Paul are both on record here saying Barr will be impeached.

    Should we start the clock?

  109. jason says:

    Shove an aluminum bat up Bitterlaw.”

    Sniff, bastard is not even here and racks up some points.

  110. jason says:

    So Gary, are you still a sniveling little sh-t or did you mature any?

  111. jason says:

    I say the world will end (according to AOC, now 11 years and 10 months) before Barr is impeached.

  112. janz says:

    The economy keeps growing and defying all the dem odds- makers. As an example of an average joe’s experience with how the economy is effecting them…..I was standing in line to pay for groceries yesterday. Behind me were two men discussing how plentiful jobs were, with some friends having two years of work already booked, with others people they knew being short on workers.

    Then you look at today’s eye-popping figures -historically good – and yet the dems and their MSM operatives continue their assault and obsession of getting the current president “gone.” They have truly become obstructively “dangerous.”

  113. janz says:

    Regarding the global warming crowd’s penchant for hysterical doom and gloom – California’s snowpack is 188% above normal, with more snow expected. All northern dams are 93% of capacity, with growing fears of flooding with melting snowpacks ahead of them.

    In the meantime, because of CA’s former governor wasting infrastructure expenditures on frivolous environmental concerns, there has been no monies spent on capturing and storing water during good rainfall years, in anticipation of cyclical years of drought. This lack of planning was placated on the warmists basing everything on a flawed climate model predicting permanent decreases in annual snowpacks.

  114. DW says:

    Economy is all well and good, but the 2018 election proved that the James Carville rule no longer applies. “Its the economy, stupid!” is no longer in force because people voted in 2018 to put a stop to the growing economy.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    I think many people voted in 2018 to say “Trump is scum.” They did not want to wait until 2020 to say it directly to him.

  116. DW says:

    118 – they may have been another motivation, but it still meant they also had to say, ‘please stop the robust economy and send our jobs overseas.’

  117. mnw says:

    It would be funny if Krugman had kept his money in cash for the last 2 yrs & 4 months… but it would be REALLY hilarious if he believed his own bullish*t & went net short.

  118. mnw says:

    Remember the GOP added Senate seats. (Thank God)

  119. Wes says:

    Republicans added Senate seats for two reasons:

    1) They were at 8-23-2 in that class.

    2) Dems had too many seats in states otherwise antipathetic to them.

    It is noteworthy and thankful the GOP expanded their majority. Looked at in context, the results are less impressive than I’d like.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – I know some very successful people in my town who would gladly pay higher taxes or stop an economic boom to get rid of Trump. They would say, “Getting rid of Trump will cost me $10,000? Do it.”

  121. Hunter says:

    Booming economic numbers. Proud ObamaCON hardest hit.


  122. mnw says:

    I suppose I view the last election from a Show Me state perspective. Trump helped enormously, imo, in getting rid of that wretched corrupt POS– she had won twice before; & she had knocked off a GOP incumbent too.

  123. Victrc says:

    Bitter – understand what you’re saying and see the same with a few northeastern friends of mine. The question is though, did any of those people vote for trump in 2016.

    What this election will come down to is will those who voted for him in WI, MI, Ohio, PA, AZ. vote for him again. I left out FL because I do not see him losing FL.

    The people that hated him before will still hate him now, it’s all about those who voted for him before and if he’ll win over any new voters because of the economy.

  124. Victrc says:

    changing the topic

    How depressed must you be if you’re Warren. After basically running for two year (more if you count her dipping of the toes into 2016) and you’re the only one on this list losing to Trump…running basically 11% behind a once no name Congressman whose claim to fame is co-opting a latino name to play identity politics.

  125. Big Joe says:

    Hey Vic, hope all is well. Two years ago I said that the 2020 election all comes down to WI. I will stick to that. WI looks to be the tipping point state at this time.

    Big Joe

  126. mnw says:

    Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA) & principal sponsor of Medicare-For-All:

    “With Medicare-For-All, you can actually KEEP YOUR DOCTORS and go to the same hospitals, you just won’t have to deal with insurance companies.”

    Poor choice of words there, Jim!

  127. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    116. “Regarding the global warming crowd’s penchant for hysterical doom and gloom – California’s snowpack is 188% above normal, with more snow expected. All northern dams are 93% of capacity, with growing fears of flooding with melting snowpacks ahead of them.”

    It not only is wet, but has been very cold over the last year as well. Many low temperature records were set, and areas in Los Angeles and Las Vegas had snow for the first time in many years. There were also heavy rains two years ago, when the crisis developed with Oroville Dam. California weather is following the same cycle of dry and wet years that has been existed for well over 100 years.

  128. VictrC says:

    Big Joe — always great to see you. I hope all is well with you and your family!! Im not sure it comes down to WI, as he can afford to lose 2 of these 2 WI, MI, or PA. If he wins one of those he wins the election if he holds Ohio, FL and Iowa, which he should.

    SD – I was in Riverside the day of the snow and drove to LA to catch a flight and it was snowing the whole way. I used to live in Lake Arrowhead for a long time, so used to the snow there, but when I came to the bottom of the mountain didn’t expect to see it!!! Its been a crazy weather year there and (now in TX originally from NYC) here in TX as well. A lonnnnng cold winter.

  129. VictrC says:

    ….and deBlasio makes 23.

    At this point I’m not sure what people are thinking, though it’s entirely possible that someone wins a primary or caucus with just 15% of the vote. Maybe that’s why.

    I still say that a number of these candidates are raising their profile for 2024 instead, trying to grab the mantle of the party should the D’s lose.

    Sanders, Biden, Warren and a number of others will be too old in 2024 to run. Who knows the motivation, that’s just my best guess.

  130. Paul says:

    129: mnw (regarding “KEEP YOUR DOCTOR)

    I honestly don’t quite get the “you can keep your doctor” attack against Obamacare. I’ve used Obamacare for my family since the first year it was available. We haven’t had any problem ‘keeping our doctors’. We use the exchange to make sure we get Blue Cross Blue Shield PPO, which is a plan that our therapists (for my son’s autism) and other doctors are under. If we picked a cheaper option, then we might not be able to keep our doctors. But that is a reason for having the Obamacare exchange. Now before Obamacare, we had private individual insurance. Same sorts of restrictions. Some insurance had smaller networks and some better networks. Maybe it is bad in some regions but in Illinois the options are just as good as it was on private insurance.

  131. mnw says:

    I don’t love trolls, so I don’t feed them.

  132. mnw says:

    I was wrong about how the media would spin the stunning jobs report. I thought they would talk about ‘discouraged workers’ & ‘uneven wage growth.’

    Instead, & here’s an opportunity for a rare photo, they are playing the story straight!

    Look at Drudge: ‘Hispanics & women gain most,” etc. “Even HS dropouts are in demand,” reports Drudge.

  133. Tina says:

    Mnw, it’s a campaign ad on drudge

  134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CNN “@jaketapper: “Does the President get enough credit for the economy? It really is doing astoundingly well.”

    That is quite an admission from CNN. Maybe they are changing their tune in response to CNN’s ratings tailspin.

  135. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    et tu AP News

    “Hiring surge lifts economy – and Trump’s re-election chances”

    “But the Democrats who are fighting to deny the Republican president a second term are beginning to acknowledge the weight of their challenge: Since World War II, no incumbent president has ever lost re-election in a growing economy.
    Even Trump’s critics are forced to admit the state of the economy could help him at the ballot box.
    “Relative to all the other terrible aspects of Trump’s record, the economy is more of an asset to him,” said Geoff Garin, a veteran pollster whose clients include Priorities USA, the most powerful super PAC in Democratic politics.”

  136. Hugh says:

    Great read by McCarthy

    Why hasn’t fox fired that idiot Napolitano

  137. Big Joe says:

    #132- Vic,
    ” Im not sure it comes down to WI, as he can afford to lose 2 of these 2 WI, MI, or PA.”

    I don’t disagree with you. I agree that if the electorate is similar to 2016, then it again comes down to WI, MI, and PA. I think MI and PA go to the blue team before WI does. Therefore, WI becomes critical .. and thus, the tipping point state. At least, that’s my calculation right now.

    That said, I do recognize that Trump got fewer votes than Romney in WI (which was not the case in MI and PA). So that would indicate that WI returns to the blue column before MI and PA. So yes, there are conflicting theories here.

    Big Joe

  138. lisab says:

    mn will also be close

    cannot say it will go red, but it is not dark blue

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It looks like Biden has taken in significant lead in the Democratic primary according to the CAPS/Harris poll. Could it be that the voters realize the far left/socialist candidates promises of billions of dollars of free goodies will bankrupt the country. There may be a backlash against Santa Claus politics.

    “Forty-four percent of Democratic voters surveyed said they are most likely to vote for Biden in the 2020 Democratic primaries. Sanders comes in second place at 14 percent, while Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) places third with just 9 percent, the poll found.
    * * * *
    Among respondents, 5 percent said they would most likely vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), while South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, was picked by 4 percent. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) tied for sixth place at 3 percent.”

  140. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, it’s called voter suppression, bruh. Wisconsin will be easy to win back now that the despicable Scott Walker got fired by the people. Finally, that state can have fair elections again where people who are legally eligible to vote are not disenfranchised!

    As for Michigan and Pennsylvania, just look at 2018. Huge state wide wins for the good guys. The people have woken up and that is bad news for the Orange Phucker!


  141. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CNN’s Chris Cillizza is a outspoken Trump opponent; yet even he speaks glowing of the Trump economy.

    “The news on Friday confirmed — beyond a shadow of a doubt — this fact: The US economy is booming.

    The economy added 263,000 jobs in the month of April, and the unemployment rate is now just 3.6% — the lowest it’s been since 1969! On top of the better-than-expected GDP news last month, it’s now quite clear that President Donald Trump is overseeing an economy going gangbusters.”

    This brings up a question. Can anybody remember a presidential candidate challenging a sitting president admitting the economy under the incumbent was doing very well? Would seem to be an act of political suicide. Am reminded of Carville’s statement; “Its the economy stupid.”
    Making it worse is a lot of the Democratic candidates are advocating economic policies that are totally wacky. Trump may get reelected despite himself.

  142. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    PO #143: You are dreaming that Wisconsin “will be easy to win back” in 2020.
    I guess you forgot that a religious conservative for the WI Supreme Court recently defeated a Liberal in a statewide race.
    But whatever gets you thru the day….

  143. jason says:

    I lost my ass last year.

    This year the favorite was scratched and it could be muddy.

    I am hoping for a big comeback.

  144. jason says:

    While Venezuela burns, Proud ObamaCON the rabid Stalinist is talking about Wisconsin?

  145. janz says:

    Going back to Bitter’s comments about hatred of trump was one reason for the 2018 midterm losses….I would add that the practice of “ballot harvesting” significantly influenced the losses in Orange County, CA. Also, it’s being reported more frequently that Mueller deliberately dragged his investigation past the midterms, allowing the Russian cloud” to linger longer over Trump’s head, keeping doubts of fence-sitters alive and suppressing their vote.

    A little here and there of deception and malfeasance can add up and go a long ways in corrupting an election outcome.

  146. Tina says:

    So flub is pro sanctuary city.

    Who would have thunk it.

  147. Phil says:

    Sanctuary cities are centers for “acts of love”.

  148. Tina says:

    Please clap….

  149. mnw says:

    Since the 2018 midterms, the border crisis has worsened by a magnitude of… oh, 3x?… 4x?

    This plays into Trump’s hands, because all the DEMs are either indifferent to, or overtly hostile to, border security/ICE interior enforcement. See, e.g.., Biden on sanctuary cities.

    Polls show that immigration is a top concern for both GOP voters & independents.

    Trump is going to be talking enforcement, enforcement, enforcement. And for the next year & a half, the DEM candidates are going to be talking Dreamers, sanctuary cities, and (alleged) ICE Gestapo tactics.

  150. lisab says:

    clinton was +18 at this point in 2015

  151. Chicon says:

    And she only won by what, three points?

  152. Wes says:

    Hillary was never going to beat Trump badly in the popular vote. Even at the time I was pointing out her personality would limit her vote advantage over Trump. I will admit I never thought Trump had more than a remote chance to win, but it was obvious Hillary was too entitled and elitist to win a popular vote landslide.

  153. mnw says:

    Pelosi purports to be worried that Trump “won’t leave office voluntarily.” Just when you think you can’t hate them any more.

  154. Wes says:

    To be fair, Mnw, many on the Right were saying the same thing about Obama.

    Both sides try to him up their followers by making hyperbolic claims about impending dictatorships by the opposition.

    We all know Trump will leave office on either 1-20-21 or 1-20-25–just as Obama left on 1-20-17.

  155. Wes says:

    Mike Enzi (R-WY) is retiring. This is a safe GOP seat as no Dem has come close to winning a Senate race in WY since Gale McGee won re-election to the Senate in 1970 ahead of losing in 1976.

    Although Governor Dave Freudenthal won re-election in a landslide in 2006, no Dem has come close to winning statewide there since. Freudenthal himself is aging and would likely get the Phil Bredesen treatment if he did run.

    Solid R Hold.

  156. lisab says:

    a snowflake on another site is calling me a “pink-boy racist” because i said koreans eat dog ….

    koreans do eat dog, not all koreans, and not all dogs …

    they don’t eat the family pet for example,

    but they do eat dog meat.

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    159. Believe that Liz Cheney will decide to run for the Wyoming senate seat, and increasing play a prominent role in national politics. I don’t think that being in a leadership role in the House will cause her to stay there.

  158. lisab says:

    liz cheney probably eats dog

  159. Wes says:

    I’d rather have Matt Mead take that seat, SDC. Liz Cheney is a popinjay who tried to primary Enzi In 2014. She seriously tried to claim Mike Enzi wasn’t conservative enough—amazingly because Enzi is among the most conservative members of the Senate. This line of attack didn’t work, and Cheney wisely withdrew before Enzi could crush her in the primary.

  160. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    162. She specialized in stir fry cooking, and has the book “14 ways to wok your dog.”

  161. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    163. The challenge to Enzi in 2014 may have been imprudent. But since then Cheney has shown real leadership skills. She was elected as chair person of the House Republican Conference, the No. 3 position in leadership. Her father held the job for three decades.

  162. mnw says:


    “wok your dog” is funny! Very good.


    I don’t recall reading about any mainstream conservatives (as opposed to wannabee KKK & Nazi types) expressing that concern about Zero. I’m a news junky, & Zero’s term in office ended less than two & a half years back, and I just never saw or read about that. I think I’d remember.

    For the Speaker of the gd House to say that “Trump may try to remain in office after his term expires” tears at the fabric of our trust in our Constitutional republic. It’s despicable & irresponsible.

    Btw, I always liked Sen Enzi.

  163. Tina says:

    So, mentally ill launched “projections.”

    Didn’t the jebots Hillary, who was drunk as a skunk, launch projections at the rapist on election night?

  164. lisab says:

    it is now more likely a woman will give birth to twins, than someone you know is watching cnn primetime

  165. Wes says:

    Your math may be a little off, SDC. Cheney was only in the House from 1979 to 1989. There’s no way he could have held a House leadership position for 30 years.

    Go back and read some of the comments on here from Obama’s time, Mnw. Several posters—MFG for one as I recall—indicated Obama wouldn’t leave office voluntarily. There were also articles I read at the time indicating the same sentiment.

    In any event, that kind of hyperbolic statement, while unacceptable, is nothing new. I doubt Pelosi believes it. It’s just a way to rally the troops by fear.

  166. lisab says:

    the lack of trolls recently is interesting

    the dems must really be in disarray

  167. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    170. Thanks Wes for catching the typo, mean to indicate a decade, not three.

  168. JeffP says:

    I swear these leftists live in an alternate reality. Had my first client the other day telling me and her future husband that she is NOT raising their children according to their gender.

  169. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A lot of people in the world eat dogs. Here is a sad story from the BBC:

    “…my parents finally gave in to my pleas for a puppy.
    The day that my uncle, a lorry driver, brought me a fuzzy yellow mongrel from my grandmother’s mountainous, faraway home was the happiest of my young life.
    I named him “Doggie”, and we immediately became inseparable
    * * * *
    One day, my mother announced we were going shopping – and when we returned a few hours later Doggie was no more. He had been strung up by the legs in our communal yard, and was soon turned into a stew, complete with herbs and hard-boiled eggs.
    No-one paid any attention to my tears. I heard the neighbours say I would soon forget the whole thing.
    They, on the other hand, were in a celebratory mood. In the years before China’s economic boom, when some food was still rationed, it was rare to have the chance to feast on a whole animal.
    I refused to eat the stew – and I have never eaten dog in my life.
    In China, the tradition of dog-eating goes back far beyond written history.
    Along with pigs, oxen, goats, horses and fowl, dogs are one of the six animals domesticated during the Stone Age.
    On the other hand, it is not the kind of thing that is eaten every day. It is a speciality meat, commonly believed to confer strength, vigour and virility on the eater.”

  170. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “that she is NOT raising their children according to their gender.”

    What exactly does that mean? Is there a learning manual anywhere? How do you get around the basic biology and anatomy?

  171. Bitterlaw says:

    Illegals break the law and bring their children into the US because they love them and want them to have a better life. It is also a crime and they should be deported. Both can be true.

  172. jason says:

    Illegals break the law and bring their children into the US because they love them ”

    Zzzzz….. all parents love their children.

  173. mnw says:

    lisab 169

    Astonishing… and funny!


    “Illegals break the law” and bring rent-a-child children into the U.S. for the same reason they smuggle fentanyl into the U.S., i.e., because we’re F’N IDIOTS, & that’s where the big bucks are.

  174. jason says:

    Illegal immigration is not an “act of love” and probably most illegal aliens don’t bring their children.

    And those that do are often putting their children at great risk.

  175. Tina says:

    Acts of love

    Leave no illegal behind.

    Sanctuary cities everywhere.

    -Flub, a real “r”

  176. Ron N says:

    If you heard there a Alabama state senator that disagrees some don’t love there kids. That’s why there are abortion and the electric chair.

  177. JeffP says:

    175 SDC…basically I had given parenting materials in pre marital counseling that included the differences between boys and girls. The woman reacted…basically stating she wanted to raise her children gender neutral…let “them” figure it out…it is beyond reason anymore…I wonder if her and her future hubby discussed it after their session..Last year I had my first woman who called herself a man..changed name…dressed like a man…no sex change…her Mom brought her…the brother refuses to call her by her boy name…sadly she cried like a hurting little girl…these people are sadly disconnected from reality…and the liberal progressive totalitarians and media are encouraging it.

  178. VictrC says:

    Continuing on that theme….

    its absurd how “chic” its become in hollywood to allow children to become transgender. Charlize Theron is allowing her 3 year old to become trans because the kid said they didn’t feel like their sex.

    How insane is it for a parent to allow a 3 year old to make a life decision like that. My 3 year old is super smart for his age, can read words etc, but still thinks he can freeze me with his hand, wonders why the mouse in tom & Jerry can’t talk and has to be read the three bears each night. I don’t think he’s ready to decide he’s no longer a boy!!!! I mean, What on earth are these thinking people.

    And because Hollywood does it, now it’s becoming chic to do it in regular society.

    It makes one wonder what the next 50 years holds for our Republic…and the world.

  179. lisab says:

    Illegals break the law and bring their children into the US because they love them and want them to have a better life.

    specifically so they can get free housing, free healthcare, free food, and welfare

    claiming asylum puts you first in line for these things, even before homeless veterans

  180. Bitterlaw says:

    Apparently, everybody missed the part where I said they should be deported.

  181. Victrc says:


    Some, not all. Both can be true 😉

  182. Bitterlaw says:

    Well played, Vic.

  183. lisab says:

    no one missed that


    people can explain why they should be deported

  184. JeffP says:

    Charlize is ALL my kind of a woman.

  185. jason says:

    Illegal immigration is not an “act of love” and immigration laws should be enforced.

    Both can be true.

    The motivation for why people try to enter the country illegally vary from escaping persecution to seeking better opportunities to drug dealing and other criminal intent. We do have processes in place to address legitimate cases of persecution and asylum requests and we have a legal immigration process.

    “Act of love” is an attempt to “sanitize” illegality by stating the obvious that people love their children. There are people who murder their children and claim it is an “act of love”. People commit all kinds of crimes in the name of seeking “better opportunities”.

    I thought it was an asinine way to describe illegal immigration when Jeb first came up with it and I still do.

  186. jason says:

    I had $50 on Maximum Security to win. So the stewards screwed me out of $225. Certainly would have covered my other losing bets, the ones where I expected to make real money.

    Hey stewards, GFYs.

  187. jason says:

    The stewards should have disqualified Country House just based on the name.

    Country House? Who names their horse Country House?

  188. Tgca says:

    Feliz Cinco de Mayo pootahs!

  189. Tina says:

    Jim Crow is returning

    -Gaffe Biden

  190. jason says:

    What about Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd, is coming back too?

  191. jason says:

    Gracias cabrón.

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    I saw the story about the high school student selling nude photos and working in p0rn. So sad. She thinks do little of herself that she will someday end up with Wes or somebody like him.

  193. jason says:

    There are people renting children and trafficking them at the border.

    More acts of love, I guess.

  194. jason says:

    If you heard there a Alabama state senator that disagrees some don’t love there kids.”

    His point is that they may be unwanted later so it’s better to just kill them now.

    And why risk them being executed later, when you can just kill them now.

  195. jason says:

    Et tu, Seattle?

    “Tickets to the latest stop on Bill and Hillary Clinton’s speaking tour were going for as little as $20 on the secondary market as their 13-city adventure continued to struggle to find an audience.”

  196. jason says:

    I would get Proud ObamaCON a ticket, but I hear he is attending the “Stalinism – A Blueprint for America” seminar.

  197. lisab says:

    what i don’t get is why people like

    po, half-truth, robbie, messy etc.

    people who cannot make it in a relatively free society

    think they would make it if some government employee decided what job they would do … they did not aloow the proletariate to stay home all day in stalin’s russia

  198. lisab says:

    Blue states move to block Donald Trump from 2020 ballot

    20 states introduced bills that would require presidential candidates to release his taxes

  199. Wes says:

    Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bitter.

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    She sounds like your kind of girl, Wes.

  201. jason says:

    I bet just about anyone that wants Trump to show his taxes would have opposed a request to see his birth certificate.

    Some moron will say I am a birther in 3, 2, 1….

  202. Cash Cow TM says:

    I have watched the replay of the Kentucky Derby.

    The horse that won originally did create a foul and rightfully should have been disqualified.

    He cut off the other horse when he veered to the fight.
    Racing cows try to do this all the time when we do races behind the garden shed.

  203. lisab says:

    would’t trump releasing his taxes cause more global warming?

    they are probably pretty long, and would take a lot of paper to print out. then the nytimes et al. would print a lot of stories about them

    which would kill thousans upon thousands of trees, causing global temperatures to rise, and we would be dead in what? 11 tears 10 months?

    this seems couter productive to me

  204. Tina says:

    More Gaffe.

    Antonio Moore
    “I spent last summer going through the black sections of my town trying to get black men to understand it’s not unmanly to wear a condom”@JoeBiden on PBS – @shaunking Again @SymoneDSanders working for Biden for personal gain points to a issue with basic commitment to black folks

    12:23 PM – May 5, 2019

  205. Tina says:

    And in the nut job department:

    Michael Soneff
    In response to a question about 2020 from @TedDanson, @HillaryClinton just said that “you can run the best campaign,” and “still have the election stolen from you.” #BillandHill

    8:33 PM – May 4, 2019

  206. Tina says:

    She ran the best campaign…

    Took weeks off,



    Small crowds

    And was vanquished @ Debate 2.

  207. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Atop Maximum Security, Jason Servis, a Jefferson High grad who got his start racing at Charles Town, makes Kentucky Derby history — but not the way he’d hoped.”

    Jefferson High School is in WV…next country to the east from me.

  208. jason says:

    “you can run the best campaign,” and “still be a crook”

  209. Tgca says:



  210. jason says:

    The horse that won originally did create a foul and rightfully should have been disqualified.

    He cut off the other horse when he veered to the fight.”

    You obviously don’t watch a lot of horse races. On a very wet track like that it is common for a horse in the lead not to stay in a straight path.

    What should have governed the decision was if the result of the race would have been different, and there is very little evidence that it would have. Certainly the horse that “won” wouldn’t have legitimately.

    At the end of the day, the best horse should have won, and that horse was Maximum Security.

  211. jason says:

    This excerpt from the article says it all.

    “For the biggest event in the sport to be decided in the replay booth without overwhelming evidence to support it is, quite frankly, a disappointing way to end what is a months-long lead up to a two-minute race — and goes against all the current major-league norms of replay review.

    Maximum Security had gone from claimer to fame, looking to keep an unbeaten record in tact for longtime owners Gary and Mary West. Then the decision lingered. And lingered.

    That’s what we’ll remember about this year’s running: that the best horse did not win.”

  212. jason says:

    Another fact of the race. The jockey of the horse closest to Maximum Security that was allegedly interfered with DID NOT lodge a complaint, so he obviously did not think he was fouled.

  213. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason was having a wet dream about living in the 1840s on his plantation exploiting his slaves, beating his women, and killing indians . Then he was jolted awake by news of the ding of his Orange Sex Fantasy’s tweet telling him about the evil’s of the Kentucky Derby! Now like the loyal Orange soldier he is, he’s out spouting Orange Phuck’s talking points about none other than a horse race! Amazing what these pawns will do for their Orange God. Scary actually.


  214. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason completely triggered by a horse race. LOL, would Jason even care if his Orange Butt Buddy didn’t tweet about it? LOL


  215. jason says:

    Killing Indians?

    I should tell the rabid Stalinist to GFH in Quechua, but I am too polite.

  216. jason says:

    “Jason completely triggered by a horse race”

    The Stalinist is always wrong, but I give him a pass because he is distressed his socialist paradise of Venezuela is on its last legs

    jason says:
    May 4, 2019 at 10:14 am

    I lost my ass last year.

    This year the favorite was scratched and it could be muddy.

    I am hoping for a big comeback.”

    Another epic fail by the Stalinist.

  217. Proud Obamacon says:

    This is exactly why Nancy is 100% right when she says the Pussy Grabber won’t leave the WH when he loses in 2020. Mindless robots like Jason will follow their Orange God.

    Pawns like Jason don’t really believe in Democracy. They just wan’t white dominance. If that means dictatorship, so be it!

    Very sad for our Democracy.


  218. jason says:

    Jason was having a wet dream about living in the 1840s on his plantation”

    I wonder how the Proud Stalinist found out I descend from a long line of Southern slave owners.

    I guess it must be my long history of pro-Confederacy and anti-Lincoln post here… gave me away.

  219. Proud Obamacon says:

    You see bruh, we have these things called rules. You break the rules, you pay the price. Your horse broke the rules. But yeah, given your allegiance to the Orange Mob Boss, you have no respect for rules. You don’t care a lick for the Constitution. You just want all the blacks and browns to know their role and bow down you you. Sorry bruh, but we #RESIST!


  220. jason says:

    Very sad for our Democracy.”


    A Marxist and Stalinist talking about Democracy.

    I guess he believes in “People’s Republics”.

    It would be great to see what the Marxists would do to a blood sucking parasite like Proud ObamaCON who thinks somehow he would be a more important blood sucking parasite under the dictatorship of the proletariat.

  221. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason confirms he wants Orange Groper to stay in the WH even after he loses. Jason confirms he hates the Constitution. Not a surprise of course.


  222. jason says:

    The little blood sucking parasite Marxist turd believes in rules?

    Except for Obama, Hillary, and Bill Clinton right?

    You never believed in “rules” for them.

    A Marxist who pretends to believe in the US Constitution is hilarious.

  223. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason never defends himself when he is called out, confirming that everything is true. He instead brings up Hillary, Obama, whoever or goes crazy about me loving Stalin, Venezuela, NK, etc etc.. same old story with Jason. He really needs to up his game.


  224. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is white? He checked off “Descendant of native peoples oppressed by Conquistadors” on his A-hole application.

  225. jason says:

    But I am glad the blood sucking parasite believe is rules.

    I am sure he will support the IG’s and the AG’s investigation into the spying (even the NYT now admits it, so the cat is out of the bag) against Trump.

    I am sure he wants to get to the bottom of it and punish those that violated the rules and the law.

  226. jason says:

    Jason is white? He checked off “Descendant of native peoples oppressed by Conquistadors” on his A-hole application.”

    I was just trying to get promoted like Fauxcahontas.
    I knew the A-holes had a quota for South American natives.

    I am really the great great great great nephew of Jefferson Davis.

  227. jason says:

    confirming that everything is true.”

    Sadly it’s true.

    I am posting from my family’s cotton plantation here in Alabama.

  228. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON thinks there will be more government tits for him to suck on when the Marxist take over.

    Little does he know he is better off with the crumbs the Democrats throw him.

  229. Trump says:

    Jason is such a good boy for me. He’ll be there until the end.

  230. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason and his loyal army of racists would gladly trample over the Constitution and Democracy if it meant letting his Orange Sex Fantasy rule for life.

    People like him are the real enemies of Democracy.


  231. mnw says:

    “bloodsucking Marxist turd” is good, accurate.

    I’m going with “illiterate little wannabee Lord Haw Haw” myself.

    Btw, Let’s… Go… Blues! Game 7!

  232. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    236. Might go with “dumbest of the dumb” since the issue is not necessarily a matter of a particular political perspective.

  233. Proud Obamacon says:

    Very cute.. nickname and insults all to make your Orange God proud. Quite pathetic yall. It’s my own fault, why do I expect such low IQ imbeciles to actually be able to carry on a discussion.


  234. Proud Obamacon says:

    Here are the Facts. Jason, MNW, and SDC have no problem with their Orange Leader refusing to leave office when he loses in 2020. They already have their supposed arguments ready like voting by 5 million illegal voters or whatever else they can make up.

    They don’t care about Democracy, they don’t care about the rule of law either. Their response will be more name calling and references to Obama, Hillary, Soros, whoever.. same ole story with yall.


  235. jason says:

    I didn’t even vote for Trump but want him to stay in office indefinitely…


    I will say this. If Trump wins again I am fine with him staying for another 4 years.

    But of course Proud ObamaCON is fine with Maduro and his other Marxist heroes ruling forever.

    How long did his hero Stalin rule for?

  236. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON wants illegals to vote but he says others “trample” the Constitution.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

    He has no problem with the his GA candidate for Governor loser refusing to admit she lost the election, however.

    Oh, year, voter “suppression”, i.e., dead and ineligible people not being allowed to vote.

  237. jason says:

    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday dramatically increased pressure on China to reach a long-sought trade deal by announcing he will markedly increase U.S. tariffs on certain Chinese goods.

    Trump had previously delayed the tariff increases earlier in the year, citing productive talks with China.

    Sunday’s announcement casts into doubt previous expectations that China and the United States were closing in on a deal to end a months-long trade war that has slowed global growth and disrupted markets.”

    I am sure the AFL-CIO conservatives that assured us a “deal was near” will support the increase in tariffs. After all, it’s just “a negotiating strategy”.

  238. jason says:

    Biden says Margaret Thatcher called him to complain about Trump.

  239. Proud Obamacon says:

    Voter fraud is extremely rare, yet Jason believes that millions of illegals vote. He believes that dead voters vote too. With no evidence, he just makes up these wild lies to undermine Democracy all in the name of power for his side.

    Heyell, even the 3rd member of his fantasy threesome, Kris Kobash, couldn’t even prove any voter fraud. Yet Jason and his cast of racist foot soldiers have no problem just making it up and believing it.

    Just can’t make this stuff up! LOL


  240. jason says:

    Well, NYC’s favorite senator is onboard…

    Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, who urged Trump to “hang tough” in a tweet: “Don’t back down. Strength is the only way to win with China.”

    What could go wrong?

  241. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL now the Orange Pussy Grabber claims his first two years were “stollen” LOL LOL .. wow. He should have two additional years added to his term. Jason and his friends to push back in 3 .. 2.. nah what am I thinking .. RULE FOR LIFE DICTATOR ORANGE THE FIRST!!

    LOL .. We need to #RESIST the hell out of this $hit.

  242. jason says:


    Poor Marxist moron is wrong again.

    I never supported that deadender moron, and it’s his fault a moonbat is governor of KS.

    It’s hard to be always wrong, but Proud Stalinist is batting .000

  243. Proud Obamacon says:

    STOLLEN! The first 2 years wore STOLLEN

    UnPhucking believable that this dumb PHUCK can be president. Then again, not at all surprising with the number illiterate racists in this country.


  244. dblaikie says:

    Hello fellow posters, the new NBC/WALL ST. Poll is out and Trump is at 46%. Of course in their article they bury that way down on about the 15th paragraph.

  245. Proud Obamacon says:

    ” Proud Stalinist is batting .000″

    Sounds like your batting average with all the $hit you make up about me, sport. How about you defend your support for millions of illegals and dead voters voting? This should be good.


  246. jason says:

    I was wrong about Trump. He is a much better President than I expected.

    He is doing a fairly good job, although I think his trade policies suck.

    The job he is doing on judicial appointments is fantastic.

    I am perfectly fine if he wins re-election, and then we can elect Rubio in 2024.


  247. jason says:

    How about you defend your support for millions of illegals and dead voters voting?”

    I don’t support it, I oppose it.

    But of course a Stalinist like you who believes in one party rule would be the first to do away with elections.

    You really are a despicable turd.

  248. Proud Obamacon says:

    And you are perfectly fine with him refusing to leave office when he loses in 2020. Sorry, I know you meant to add that, but just forgot LOL

  249. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL evading the question. Defend your support for your statement that millions of illegals and dead people vote. Defend it or STFU about it, sport!

  250. jason says:

    What is hilarious is a little Marxist Stalinist moron is actually talking about Democracy, elections and the Constitution, when it is obvious he doesn’t believe in any of them.

    Astounding hypocrisy.

  251. jason says:

    Defend your support for your statement that millions of illegals and dead people vote.”

    I never said that, but then you are a pathological liar.

    What I said is YOU were whining about people not eligible to vote being purged from the voter roles.

    That is not “suppression” that is Democracy. Only those eligible to vote should be able to, and those that say they support the Constitution should agree.

    You obviously want dead people and illegals and ineligible people to vote because you think voter fraud helps Democrats.

    A Stalinist who probably doesn’t even believe in elections unless its a vehicle to one party Marxist paradises.

  252. jason says:

    And you are perfectly fine with him refusing to leave office when he loses in 2020.”

    Find one post where I said that.

    Or admit you are just a lying blood sucking parasite and Marxist apparatchik.

  253. jason says:

    Poor Marxist moron forgot that he encouraged the GA loser to refuse to accept the results of the election.

    So the accusation that Trump would do the same, which btw nobody here ever defended or even brought up, is pure hypocrisy.

  254. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I never said that, but then you are a pathological liar.”

    Rich coming from a dumba$$ who literally lies every single time he responds to any of my posts.
    LOL too funny

  255. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Poor Marxist moron forgot that he encouraged the GA loser to refuse to accept the results of the election.”

    Why don’t you find a post where I did such a thing? I’ll wait … LOL. Just more lies from the pathological liar.


  256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Two Trump job approval rating from two polls that came out this weekend of registered voters.

    NBC/Wall Street Journal 46%-51%
    Harvard/ Harris 46%-54%

    Has not been that long ago when Trump’s job approval was below 40%. We are about to begin the primary period where the Democratic candidates are going to be tearing each other down. Am seeing a close election in 2020.

  257. mnw says:

    248 Proud Obamacon:

    “STOLLEN,” really? Really??

    That’s how this troll-savant spells “stolen,” folks!

    That’s a German pastry bread, Proud Obamacon. And some of you want to invest your time feeding THAT troll?

  258. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And some of you want to invest your time feeding THAT troll?”

    LOL MNW, I was simply quoting your Orange excuse of a president. It was his spelling, not mine. Good to know you think of your Orange God is a troll-savant. Yet, you fully support him. You truly are sick.

    “Despite the tremendous success that I have had as President, including perhaps the greatest ECONOMY and most successful first two years of any President in history, they have stollen two years of my (our) Presidency (Collusion Delusion) that we will never be able to get back.” -Trump

  259. Big Joe says:

    Hey Proud,

    You should probably use [sic] but this is an illustration that Trump supporters are perfectly ok with looking the other way. If a Democrat did/said what Trump does, they would be outraged of course.

    To be fair, it works both ways. Such is politics in America… Rock on folks.

    Big Joe

  260. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL… MNW couldn’t wait to point out the misspelling and suggest that it indicates such stupidity and that only a dimwitted brainless fool could misspell such a simple word. After he posted, he was waiting for congratulations from his fellow turds, Jason and SDC. Yet the joke was on him! He exposed his own Orange Fantasy God as the stupid dimwit that he is. Thanks MNW! What a guy!



  261. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason has been vanquished for the night, easy win today. MNW pretty much defeated himself. Yall need to be better next time.

    BJ, who is your choice for Dem nominee?


  262. jason says:

    Is there anything more pathetic than a blood sucking parasite and brainwashed troll trying to sell Marxism?

  263. jason says:

    While Joe Biden is getting calls from Margaret Thatcher, the Stalinist is excited about Trump’s typo.

  264. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL nice try Jason.. It’s ovah for tonight. Yall took a big LOSS. There’s no recovering from MNW’s blundering floundering gaffe LOL.

    I doubt MNW show’s his face around here anytime soon. What a disaster for yall, you need to release him, he may even be a plant!

    Sweet victory.. good night, good game, sorry for the beat down. Be better tomorrow.


  265. mnw says:

    “Stollen” you will be for all time, trolly.

  266. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL poor MNW that stupid idiot doesn’t even realize what he’s saying anymore. I know his IQ was low, but wow this is truly mind boggling that he’s going to continue on this “stollen” kick .. Well, as a great president once said, “Please proceed…” LOLLLLLL What a LOOOSAH

    Hasta Manana loosah

  267. Tgca says:

    Spelling errors? Ha!

    Is this like when Obama tried to spell respect and spelled it RSPECT instead of RESPECT?

    How about when he spelled Libya as Lybia on Twitter.

    Let’s not forget when he spelled Syracuse as Sycacuse.

    …we won’t even go into his visiting 57 states.

    …we could go on and on folks.

    It’s silly that folks get serious about typos. It’s ok to poke fun at it but when it becomes major news then it says more about those reporting on it then those making silly gaffes.

  268. jason says:

    Over at whatever Marxist site he comes from they must send the dumber flunkies out to troll conservative sites. They probably tell them they are helping the proletariat cause.

    I bet this brainwashed idiot never worked a day in his life, and he thinks that if the US becomes another Venezuela he can have free everything for the rest of his life.

    He probably thinks the reports that people are eating out of dumpsters in Venezuela is right wing propaganda. “Thinks” is generous, he is told that at the moonbat site.

  269. Victrc says:

    My Lord. I can’t believe I just wasted all that time catching up on what might be the most inane set of posts from one poster ever. I think the following is applicable:

    “what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

  270. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    274. Here is the video with the comments you posted.

  271. Wes says:

    In case the handle didn’t tip you off, Proud Obamacon isn’t really a DNC troll spouting leftist talking points. He’s one of Eph Rove’s incarnations intended as a parody of the real liberal trolls HHR frequently gets.

  272. jason says:

    wes thinks nobody could actually be as stupid as Proud ObamaCON.

    It’s an interesting theory but I disagree.

  273. Tina says:

    Mullah Omar is at it again, praises the attacks on Israel. Piglosi has her hands full with the IEDs in her ranks.

  274. jason says:

    It will be fun watching the Dems attack this guy..

    “President Trump announced on Sunday that the former head of the U.S. Border Patrol under President Barack Obama will be his administration’s new chief of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).”

  275. jason says:

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – With a menu that includes matzo ball soup and gefilte fish, as well as a full-time rabbi and a chance at the occasional visit home, the U.S. prison where Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer will spend the next three years is unique in the federal system.”

    Matzo ball soup is ok, agnostic on gefilte fish, but in any case it is better than anything Tgca eats.

    I could probably do without the rabbi too, unless he is a poker player.

  276. Hugh says:

    Great article. I agree that muellers testimony will not go well for him or democrats which is what their negotiations with mueller is all about. The senate should grill him which will cause him to lose the favorable ground rules the dems will try to enforce.

  277. jason says:

    You have to feel sorry for the trolls.

    They went from collusion with Russia to “Trump will try to stay in office if he loses”.

    Once that blows over, maybe the “Melania has a double” scandal?

  278. Tina says:

    F. Mulehead had one goal. Protect the Corrupt Comedy Fib. He is no hero.

    Margot Cleveland
    Mueller found no collusion b/w Trump campaign & Russia. That means 1 of 2 things: Either Steele lied to FBI re Russian intel OR Russia interfered w/ election by feeding Steele fake intel. Mueller addressed neither scenario in report. Why?

    Report Omission Shows Mueller Was A Political Or Professional Hack
    Not once does Robert Mueller mention an investigation into whether Russia interfered by feeding dossier author Christopher Steele misinformation.

  279. jason says:

    The Dems are fixated on the while there is not enough to state the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him, or something like that.

    The problem is that Mueller was not tasked to exonerate anyone, prosecutors are not in the exoneration business. It sounds like that was thrown in there as a bone for the all the partisan Dems on Mueller’s team.

    Chris Christie is dead to me as a politician, but even from the mouths of jerks you can capture a pearl of wisdom

    “Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” former NJ Gov. Chris Christie explained why it would be wrong for special counsel Robert Mueller to publicly reveal his reasoning for not issuing criminal charges against individuals that he has chosen not to indict.

    “He is not going to pull a Jim Comey here,” Christie said about Mueller. “If you charge, you can say whatever you are willing to an indictment and have a grand jury sign off on, if you don’t charge, keep quiet. You’re not supposed to talk about people you’re unwilling to charge.”

  280. jason says:

    Yep, Mueller protected the FBI, which is not surprising, he probably strongly believes in the institution and doesn’t want to drag it through the mud.

    The IG and Barr, however, should pursue it, not to destroy the FBI, but to ensure it goes back to being non-political.

  281. jason says:

    Here is what I think about Mueller.

    At the end of the day I think he is an honorable guy. He probably could have gotten a grand jury to indict Trump on the theory you can indict a ham sandwich.

    However, I think he staffed his office with mostly partisan Dems, maybe to counter the impression he was a Republican. IMO he should not have had all those Clinton donors on his staff.

    As a team player, he probably delegated a lot of the work and the report itself to subordinates, and the bias against Trump might be derived from these people.

    In addition, he probably sees it as his duty to protect the FBI.

    If he goes on TV and says a lot of st-ff that is not in the report I will revise my view of him.

  282. jason says:

    It’s a boy!

    Probably not PC to say that anymore.

    It’s a baby!

  283. Tina says:

    The biggest mea culpa by the “media” will be when they realize that the dossier was Russian Disinformation.

    I said this early on,

    This coupled with dirty cops and the corrupt obumbler administration who had a history of spying on the Congress and media, in addition to using Federal agencies to target opponents.

  284. jason says:

    The dossier was fake, so it was disinformation one way or the other.

    This Steele guy was being paid big bucks by the FBI and Dems to come up with something.

    Considering he is on record as saying he would do anything to stop Trump, this is like me being paid to write an article on the virtues of llamas.

  285. Tina says:

    Jason is touting a conspiracy theory, the dossier is true and had been verified.


  286. mnw says:


    My own favorite example of Zero’s historical illiteracy WASN’T the famous “57 states” boner. It was when he said:

    “Now this war in Iraq, it won’t end like World War II did, you know, when the Japanese emperor went down & signed the surrender papers on the U.S. battleship…”

  287. jason says:

    Hirohito was on the Missouri?

    Who knew?

  288. jason says:

    Well, Messy Moron assured us here for months that dossier was “mostly verified”.

    She thinks Mueller and Cohen are lying, Cohen WAS in Prague, she was there and she saw him meeting with Russians in the lobby of her hotel.

  289. jason says:

    Ok, I will sent the Proud ObamaCON the brainwashed Stalinist a ticket.

    No, no need to thank me, as Corey said, I just want to get along with everybody.

    “The Clinton’s show moved to California Saturday night and tickets went for as little as $2.00. Wow. Imagine that. Some California Democrats listened to Bill and Hillary, a former president and a former Secretary of State (and the leader of pantsuits nation) in person for a couple of bucks That makes the $15.00 tickets in Las Vegas look over-priced, doesn’t it?”

  290. jason says:


    The Dems as defenders of Democracy?

    “Saturday on MSNBC, Rep. Al Green (D-TX) said he is concerned is the Democrats do not begin impeachment proceedings in the House President Donald Trump will win the election in 2020.

    Green said, “I’m concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected”

  291. janz says:

    #286. I disagree.

    Mueller is a government fixer type of guy. He does what he is tasked to do, without discerning the justification or justice behind it.

    For example, there was his part in sending innocent men to jail in order to protect FBI informant, Whitey Bulger, from being indicted. Then there was the botched anthrax event where he consecutively pinned it on two men, saying he was 100% sure one of them did it. The first “victim” was exonerated, sued the govt and won. The second one committed suicide, with no proof of him being involved with the crime. Oh yes, Mueller was up to his earlobes in HRC’s uranium hand over to the Russians. Finally, according to one retired FBI agent he was considered an “a**hole” by many who worked with him.

  292. jason says:

    Chris Hayes might just be stupider than Proud Stalinist ObamaCON.

    He claims the economy is doing well under Trump because millions of businesses conspired to damage Obama’s economy.

  293. jason says:

    Now if he wants to say that businesses will invest more if you have a lower tax, lower regulation, pro-business outlook then yes, by all means, that could definitely be the reason.

  294. mnw says:

    RE: Michael Cohen starts prison sentence:

    I’m still surprised he wasn’t slapped down HARD for getting himself recorded saying, “I wasn’t guilty of some of those charges I pled guilty to.”

    That is the criminal process equivalent of capital murder. If Cohen was a run-of-the-mill criminal def, I would expect that:

    1) the sentencing judge would find he violated his plea agreement, & then disregard that agreement entirely. That would mean, at a MINIMUM, he loses his 2-point reduction for “acceptance of responsibility,” resulting in a greater Guidelines sentence range; and

    2) the federal prosecutor would now decline to file the anticipated FRCP Rule 35 motion to reduce his sentence, usually appx a one-third reduction, for “cooperation.” You’re NOT cooperating if you’re stupid enough to say, “I’m not really guilty, even though I PLED guilty,” under oath & under penalty of perjury.

    The fact that the slapdown hasn’t happened causes me to suspect that his case is not proceeding according to the usual way things work.

  295. NYCmike says:


  296. mnw says:


    Sorry about the Isles. Knocking the Pens out was still an unexpected achievement, though. When the Blues eliminated the Hawks in the first round a couple of years ago, the fans were just as happy as if they’d won the Cup.

  297. Messy says:

    293. and it was. Mostly. I said it was 80%, which is why you picked a part of the 20%.

  298. NYCmike says:

    Thanks, mnw. A playoff loss is always so final!

    ALL hands on deck tomorrow night! Good luck!

  299. NYCmike says:

    Instead of wallowing in my tears from a playoff loss, I was with my son and his fellow scouts at a Shooting Sports Weekend, wallowing in the rain that swamped that area on Friday and Sunday, with a brief respite Saturday from 7AM-10PM, which just so happened to be perfect timing!


  300. lisab says:


    messy has you there … the report was over 80% accurate.

    “trump was in a hotel in moscow and paid for two prostitutes to pee on his bed” = 83% true


    “trump was in a hotel in moscow and paid for two cleaning ladies to make his bed” = 100% true

  301. lisab says:

    “trump’s campiaign received millions from russians” 66% accurate

    “the clinton foundation received millions from russians” 100% accurate

  302. Tina says:

    Janz, they are conspiracy loons,

    millions of businesses conspired to damage Obama’s economy.

  303. mnw says:

    Buttiplug: “America was never as great as advertised.”

    This will work fine in the SC DEM primary (he said this in SC), but it’s not a winning message in the GE, I suspect.

  304. Victrc says:

    I just realized that neither Corey nor Robbie have been on this thread…hence the 370 posts v. 1000 posts for a similar thread.

    Did I miss something?

  305. Chicon says:

    Vic – Robbie is on sabbatical. He was getting too emotional, so he decided to take a break.

  306. Victrc says:

    Thanks Chicon

    It willl be an interesting 18 months around here, part of which is seeing the different personalities that have been around the last 12-14 years. Can’t believe it’s been that long

  307. lisab says:

    there is no dem frontrunner to support yet

    there is no strong gop candidate running agaist trump

    muh collusion failed

    the economy is good

    and the support for impeachment has cratered

    obviously corey and robbie are mia

    they will be back as soon as something bad happens to the usa

  308. lisab says:

    the scary thing is, if the dems win in 2020, they plan on making changes to the country that will make anything like 2016 from happening again

    if they could naturalize 40 million new citizens, they would do it, so long as they vote dem

    to be sure, most blue state laws that drive businesses away will be nationalized

    e.g. california’s emmision standards, ny’s no fracking/no drilling rules, national minimum wage of $15, etc.

    that way the blue states wont lose businesses, because the red states will have the same rules

    like obamacare made healthcare nationalizec

  309. mnw says:

    An interesting new poll from NBC/WSJ by Hart Polling (a DEM pollster– it used to be called Hart-Garin). This was a poll of “900 adults,” so you know it skews left:

    75% of self-identified GOP respondents are “very interested” in the 2020 election. The corresponding figure for DEMs is 73%. So WHAT, you may say?

    Well, the fascinating thing about it is, the same pollster had DEMs up by double digits for this SAME metric in 2018.

  310. mnw says:

    315 Lisab

    Exactly correct. Exactly.

  311. jason says:

    So Gallup says Trump’s approval rating is 2 points higher than Obama’s at the same point in his Presidency.


  312. Tgca says:

    297 Jadon

    The stupidity of people in the face of extreme bias never ceases to amaze me. So pro-business GOP folks purposely damaged their own business and earning and savings potential to deny Obama a good economy. I can see if you said that about a socialist mileenial because many are not active in a higher earning economy, but GOP folks? Really?

    It reminds me when I was discussing economic trends with a CA radical liberal who told me that the economic recovery under GH Bush that started to emerge too late for him 1992 was because people anticipated Clinton would win so that summer in 1992 they started going out and investing in start ups and buying homes to spur the economy. I never knew common folk with modest resources entered into such expensive opportunities simply because they expected a candidate to win political office.

  313. mnw says:

    I guess the HHR trolls got their fair share of abu-u-se last night.

  314. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    *Yawn* Lots of personal attacks against someone not even here using made-up information. And a few hundred comments repeating nonsense about some random “mainstream liberal” over something he never said.

    Doesn’t being reactionary and ignorant get tiring?

  315. Tgca says:

    So today was a tough day at the office. I got a bit ill and very nauseous but it passed after a few hours. God! I hope I’m not expecting. But I digress…

    …anyways, I assume most folks at work know I’m a h*mo because I neither deny I’m not married, have no kids, dress superbly, and have awesome skin for a man no longer in his 30s. Sorry…single older ladies, if a guy has any of these traits and is single, he’s most likely not a breeder so stop kidding yourself and thinking he just might be date worthy with a woman.

    …anyways, I digress again. In a meeting today, some younger, less experienced guy a few levels down in seniority makes a slight at me in regarding my sexuality that garnered a couple of embarrassed snickers by 2 other guys who then looked away from me as I turned to face them. The comment was very subtle and I knew exactly what he meant because it was regarding the reliability of my gender.

    Now mind you, I’m a big tease and playful with many so I do not mind being ribbed and teased but this was both in a mocking and condescending tone and the comment was totally uncalled for in a work environment . It came out of a light-hearted conversation others were having with me that had nothing to do with sexuality or gender. I thought of putting him on the spot in front of everyone since there were like 15 other leaders at the table and there was cross talk going on so all did not hear his comment. I was tempted to say, “not sure what you mean, would you like to share that with the rest of us and explain.” He would have immediately been humiliated and looked like a fool not to mention probably a disciplinary comment from other some senior leaders after the meeting but I did not do that because I’m such a sweet, caring, loving, gentle…again, I digress.

    Just for context, this is not being overly sensitive. It was along the lines of someone responding to an AA making a comment that water melon was their favorite fruit and the responding comment was “like that is supposed to surprise us” or if an obese person was offered a fattening snack and declined because they probably needed to go on a diet, and the responding comment was “you think?”

    I have learned that no matter how much time passes, there are still ignorant and immature people in Corporate America when it comes to folks different than themselves.

  316. Tina says:

    So, the House Socialists want to hold Barr in contempt for enforcing the law?

  317. Tgca says:

    So over 400 ex prosecutors claim Trump obstructed justice? Ha! Is that like all the scientists (yes, all those without subject matter expertise in climate science but have a Ph.D after their name) signing petitions printed by the NYT of the earth’s impending climate disaster. Yes, a neurobiologist is clearly someone to listen too on climate control as much as a degreed accountant should be listened to on actuarial analysis and mortality statistics. Neither one requires training or any curriculum courses as part of their degrees in the latter science. You mind as well take advice on cancer treatment from a chiropractor.

    Based on what federal laws and/or case law was there obstruction?

    I bet if you looked up the political registration of these folks you would find a significant portion are either Dems or never Trumpers.

    It’s so hypocritical since Mueller himself refused to conclude on obstruction when he had full discretion to do so.

    You know what obstruction looks like? Destroying your computer files after being told by Congress to maintain them for review and having your computers and phones manually destroyed so investigators can’t review them.

    Obstruction also looks like having your husband go on the plane for a secret 25 minute meeting with the chief law enforcement person who has your spouse under investigation when that same law enforcement person was appointed by your husband to a high position in Justice and when that law enforcement officer expects your spouse to be the next POTUS.

    This is so Twilight Zone. Up is down. Fat is skinny. Ugly is pretty. Gay is straight.

    Come on folks…seriously? …and they wonder why folks in the media and gubbermint have lost the trust of the people.

    …it’s called TDS for a reason.

  318. Tgca says:

    So CongressCritter Green is “afraid if we don’t impeach the president, he will be re-elected.”

    Really? That is the concern of a CongressCritter? That the voters will dare to elect someone of their choice over Congress’ objection? Check out his statement at the 1:40 mark. Unbelievable.

    Now tell me who is the biggest threat to the US Constitution?

    Twilight Zone people. Twilight Zone I tell ya!

  319. Tgca says:

    I’m on a roll tonight since I have nothing better to do with my life evidently, and no one is around to discuss ABORTION for 3 hours with me…and you all thought my friend Bitter was pathetic, eh?

    Ex-prosecutor with no agenda defends why Trump committed crimes and should be indicted and convicted, or at least impeached in her unbiased opinion.

    So she tries to play herself as reasonable as why Trump should be indicted for obstruction but cites no law. Note these repeated comments by her:

    He committed a crime…but cites how he that occurred…subliminal messaging folks…if you hear it enough, it must be true.

    He obstructed justice…but cites no specific examples…again subliminal messaging.

    Repeats that most folks have not read the 400 page report so don’t know how he obstructed justice that Mueller so clearly laid out…I guess if you say something over and over people will start to believe it via subliminal messaging because they are too stupid to draw their own conclusion.

    Anyone else would be convicted if it were them…but she doesn’t equate how most cases would never have gotten this far if It wasn’t Trump being POTUS, and would probably be thrown out of court if it turns out that numerous investigators lied and colluded or were lackeys for the opposition, especially after the defense is given an opportunity to cross-examine them and present evidence in a court of law.

    Repeatedly states that the only reason Mueller did not charge was due to belief a sitting POTUS can not be charged…uh…I recall Mueller specifically stated that was not his reason for not making a decision. More subliminal messaging me thinks.

    Admits probably more Dems than GOP signed the letter…but probably forgot to mention the rest might also be Never Trumpers or Clinton supporters.

    States ex prosecutors all the way back to Eisenhower signed the letter…let’s see…so some prosecutors that are probably 90+ are reading this 400 page and reaching out on their own to make their voice heard? …again, subliminal messaging folks.

    Admits this started in the Southern District of NY and then shopped around for signatures…no bias from that district.

    Upon being asked what she wants, she responds she would like impeachment hearings to start…oh, clearly no bias there.

    Twilight Zone folks. Twilight Zone I tell ya!

  320. lisab says:

    The comment was very subtle and I knew exactly what he meant because it was regarding the reliability of my gender.

    what did he say?

    your gender is male isn’t it? i guess reliability for males is 50-50 …

    sooooooooo … what did he say?

  321. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Besides Wormtongue and Half-Truth, does anyone here at HHR miss this JERK!!!?

    I hope he does run in the GOP primary so he can be totally humiliated! Run, Bob, Run!

  322. jason says:

    I do. I like Bob Corker, and I think he did a great job in the Senate.

    Doesn’t mean I would support him running for President, however.

    I hope he doesn’t run, because if he does he will attract some money and a lot of coverage and he will damage Trump in the process.

    His candidacy would only help the Democrats.

  323. jason says:

    Doesn’t being reactionary and ignorant get tiring?”

    Since you are the most ignorant troll here, does it?

  324. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Have all the carbs and fats from your typical breakfast affected your usual clear-thinking this morning?
    “I think he(Corker) did a great job in the Senate”like allowing the dangerous Iran Nuclear Protocols to go forward as a non-Treaty!

    Would you also compliment Jeff Flake(R-AZ)?

  325. jason says:

    “I think he(Corker) did a great job in the Senate”like allowing the dangerous Iran Nuclear Protocols to go forward as a non-Treaty!”


    Repeating this canard over and over won’t make it true.

    The person responsible for making it a non-Treaty was Obama, all Corker did what make sure everyone knew what the “non-treaty” was about, you would not even be able to whine about it without Corker.

    Corker had NOTHING to do with the development, process, or signing of this “non-treaty”. Nada, zilch, nothing. He could no more to change the non-treaty to treaty than you or I.

    You should be thankful for Bob Corker’s involvement in getting the facts out, not lying about his role.

  326. jason says:

    We would be a much better country if we had 100 Bob Corkers in the Senate.

  327. jason says:

    CNN to layoff 200….

    Not to worry, I am sure Amoral Scumbag and Proud Stalinist are still watching…and Pete Wilson.

    “The top networks for primetime viewership last week were led by Fox News, followed by MSNBC, the Home and Garden TV, USA Network and TBS Network to round out the top five.

    CNN finished 15th, behind networks like Discovery Channel, Food Network, TLC and A&E Network.”

  328. jason says:

    I hardly watch news anymore..

    I prefer Naked and Afraid, Live PD, Deadliest Catch, Wicked Tuna and Savage Kingdom.

    But I do tune in to OAN sometimes. And Fox Business.

  329. Tgca says:

    Corker criticized Trump. He should be banished. No one should be able to criticize the Great Leader.


  330. jason says:

    Sorry. Mea culpa. I will self banish myself for 30 minutes for mentioning someone who was critical of Trump.

  331. jason says:

    Oh, and another hour for posting the article that shows that Trump’s idiotic tariffs are counterproductive and are nothing else but a huge tax hike on the American people.

  332. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bob Corker– a man of great principle:

    The Republican John Kerry! First FOR then AGAINST the same legislation.
    Would Tgca and jason preferred Corker over current TN Senator Marsha Blackburn?

  333. Wes says:

    What do you mean, Jason?

    Tariffs have always been sound policy.



    Neither of those tariff bills ever caused economic harm.

  334. Tgca says:

    You peeps are stoopid and don’t know chit about economics. AOC has a degree in economics and could teach you how it all works. It’s complicaed stuff people. If things get tough just print more money. Duh! Get it?

  335. mnw says:


    “Job openings jump to near-record 7.5 million, but workers aren’t quitting their jobs– more proof of an ultra-strong jobs market”

    *This website is no friend of Trump whatsoever. It’s affiliated with Bloomberg.

  336. Chicon says:

    Yep, those tariffs are ruining the economy. Evil things.

    Here’s some excellent reading for the trade deadenders……

  337. Chicon says:

    Corker, Flake, Romney. Three peas in a pod; all sucking up to the msm begging to be the Cool Conservative. Jason loves Corker and hates Romney.

  338. Chicon says:

    Jason and Wes – be sure to let us know when the President’s trade policies hurt the American economy.

  339. Chicon says:

    Here’s the money quote from the article I quoted above….

    “Here on the domestic side, there is some gnashing of teeth from free traders that the tariffs will cost Americans money and business, which is of course true.  The question is whether the loss will be more than made up in the long-term by the protection of American manufacturing.”

    I’ve seen the deadenders reflexively post “tariffs bad”, which shows a talking points level of sophistication on the topic. The US manufacturing prowess has been diminishing for years, partially because of a concerted effort by China to do so. Perhaps the deadenders don’t care about that? Maybe they don’t think the government should be involved in it? Maybe they just haven’t been able to articulate a coherent response to a situation that was a large factor in the last Presidential election?

    I know, I know…..”read in book, tariffs bad, gimme bacon.”

  340. jason says:

    Flake is weak and easily shocked and awed, zero courage of his convictions. He evolved from being a conservative to a sad pile of amorphous ideological nothingness, somewhat akin to Jeb Bush.

    Romney is an unprincipled MSM sycophant.

    Corker is neither.

    Like I said, he was a great Senator. I would have proudly voted for him in 2016 had he been the nominee.

    Now, however, he would be just a spoiler and a boon to the Dems. But if he runs, it won’t be for publicity.

  341. Tgca says:

    Corker is a POS. He deserves to be exiled for disagreeing with our Great Leader.


  342. jason says:

    The US manufacturing prowess has been diminishing for years, partially because of a concerted effort by China to do so. Perhaps the deadenders don’t care about that? Maybe they don’t think the government should be involved in it? Maybe they just haven’t been able to articulate a coherent response to a situation that was a large factor in the last Presidential election”

    Where do I start with this crock of drivel.

    Yeah, I certainly don’t care about “manufacturing prowess” unless it is innovative and competitive in a global economy. I certainly don’t care about protected, obsolete, archaic, non-competitive industries that only serve to keep fat cat union bosses donating hundred of millions to Democrats.

    Right, I don’t think the government should be imposing tax hikes, i.e. tariffs. The government should be providing a low regulation, low tax, pro-business environment and advocating for free trade as a PRINCIPLE.

    “Situation” in the last election. I have certainly given Trump credit for identifying the resentment and tapping into it. And though others here disagree, I have made clear I think the blue collar vote switching from Dem to R in the rustbelt was key to Trump’s election. But that doesn’t mean I think tariffs are the right way to address the “situation”. They are not.

    And finally, anyone who thinks the economy is doing well BECAUSE of tariffs is a moron. It is doing well IN SPITE of tariffs, a completely different proposition.

    And the money quote for the article I posted was actually what is true about Trump’s misguided reliance on tariffs.

    “The US is hurt far more than China by tariffs”

  343. jason says:

    Sooo.. does anyone here really disagree with this?

    WASHINGTON — Sen. Bob Corker lamented Wednesday that his recent vote for the GOP tax bill could be one of the worst of his career if projections that it will add nearly $2 trillion to the deficit prove to be accurate.

    “None of us have covered ourselves in glory,” the Tennessee Republican, who is retiring at the end of the year, said at a Senate Budget Committee hearing. “This Congress and this administration likely will go down as one of the most fiscally irresponsible administrations and Congresses that we’ve had.”

    Corker was referring to a recent report by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which concluded that recent tax-and-spending legislation passed by Congress is helping to drive up the federal deficit and push the national debt as a percent of annual economic output to levels not seen since just after World War II.

    The nonpartisan group’s analysis showed that the vote to increase the discretionary spending caps in the recent $1.4 trillion spending package, if made permanent, would add $2 trillion to the national debt, including interest costs.”

  344. Phil says:


  345. jason says:

    “If things get tough just print more money. Duh! Get it?”

    You know you have to give credit for those kind of quotes, right?

    “This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money.”

    Donald Trump

  346. Chicon says:

    Response to the trade deadender drivel….

    Hey, Captain Straw Man, where did anyone write that the economy is doing well because of the tariffs. Just another misrepresentation, which you shouldn’t need to make your point. The trade deadenders allege that tariffs hurt the American economy. Where’s the evidence?

    Also, the deadenders say that tariffs are the wrong way to correct the situation. What’s the right way? And how will the right way work?

    Third, should the American government be involved in protecting American businesses from aggressive actions by foreign governments (not companies, governments)? How should the American government respond if the Chinese government decides to eliminate American steel manufacturing by selling steel well below the amount it costs them to make it? Does your economics textbook from the 30’s give you the answer?

  347. Tgca says:


    If the economy is doing well in spite of the tariffs, does that not diminish the argument that tariffs impact the overall economy? Can it be that the economics in the current world economy is evolving just like politicians views on same sex marriage in that it’s a different landscape now so different rules may apply?

    The economy in this day and age may differ due to attitudes and changes in culture as well that goes against previous thinking and economic behavior.

    Sorry but Llama economic theory “LET” may have run its course in this day and age but only time will tell.

    I suggest you listen a little more carefully to up and coming economic experts like AOC. She got a degree in economics before pursuing a career in bartending.

  348. jason says:

    I intend to support Trump for re-election and vote for him this time around.

    The reason for this is that I no longer think he is unfit for the office, I don’t see anyone who can beat him for the nomination, and the alternative in 2020 is a socialist.

    But I don’t have to agree with him on everything and I don’t feel compelled to attack everyone that criticizes him.

    He is wrong on tariffs, wrong on the wall, wrong on NATO, and wrong to keep burning bridges with people he needs support from in Congress and in the election, and wrong to entertain trillions in pork barrel infrastructure deals with the Dems.

    Sue me.

  349. Chicon says:

    353 – agree that spending needed to be cut. Disagree that the tax cut was a bad idea.

  350. jason says:

    If the economy is doing well in spite of the tariffs, does that not diminish the argument that tariffs impact the overall economy?”


  351. jason says:

    Yes, I think the tax cut was a good idea too.

  352. Tgca says:

    Oh chit! I’m fooked!

    Climate Change Impacting Maple Syrup.

  353. Chicon says:

    358 – nope, we stick to the dogma, even if we don’t know why it is dogma.

  354. jason says:

    I guess saying drinking gasoline is bad for you is “dogma”.

    What is asinine is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

    Trump didn’t invent tariffs, there is a long history of failure involved in advocating for isolationism and protectionism.

  355. Tgca says:

    What is wrong with people in PA to elect these politicians?

    This guy is disgusting! In the 1st video, he harasses a peaceful elderly protestor and uses bigoted statements against her constantly referring to her as an “old white lady.”

    In the 2nd, and more disturbing video, he is trying to get the identities of young Christian teenage girls protesting.

    He is an example what’s wrong with many in the gay community. He supports Mayor Butt and the Mayor should be asked if he supports politicians harassing old women and teenage girls and making racist slurs.

  356. Chicon says:

    Victor Davis Hansen brings the hammer down on Comey. I know Bitter says there is no administrative Deep State, so he better not read this article.

    Karma has an eye on some…..

  357. jason says:

    The AFL-CIO conservatives:

    Free trade, open markets, free enterprise dogma – bad

    AFL-CIO, protectionist and isolationist dogma of the last 50 years – good

    Chicon, why to you think Chuck Schumer sent Trump a message “hang tough on China”?

    a) He is a free trader

    b) He knows unions will contribute hundreds of millions to Democrats

    “As President Donald Trump reignites a trade war with China, he has found an ally in at least one key Democrat – Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer”

  358. jason says:

    Krugman epic fail.

    He attacks Trump for awarding the Medal of Freedom with this tweet:

    “I’m old enough to remember when Presidential Medals of Freedom were given for showing courage and making sacrifices on behalf of the nation and the world. Tiger Woods … hits golf balls for money”

    I guess he is old enough to forget that…

    “Obama recipients who made great sacrifices on behalf of the nation and the world: Robert De Niro, Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Michael Jordan, Lorne Michaels, Robert Redford, Vin Scully, Bruce Springsteen, Gloria Estefan, Barbra Streisand, Meryl Streep..”

  359. Tgca says:


    You mix the use of tariffs as a long-term operating solution with it as a short-term pressure incentive to change behavior. Trump is simply using it as a tool to force the Chinese to more agreeable terms. The Chinese already have their own tariffs and it’s been benefiting their economy for years so saying tariffs don’t work is incorrect. It’s been working for the Chinese for a couple of decades now.

    You seem to somehow think that if we ignore the Chinese, their tariffs will go away. They won’t as there is no incentive unless they drastically change their economic model, which is not likely without external forces.

    Stop being the Neville Chamberlain of tariff resolution.

  360. Chicon says:

    365 – c’mon, you can do better than that. The 1st two examples in the article were across the board tariffs the affected every segment of the economy. These are targeted to particular countries and are designed to be weapons to change the behavior of said countries. They also affect a tiny portion of the economy.

    Here’s a question from above for you to ignore again. It is specific, and should be easy for you to answer….

    ” How should the American government respond if the Chinese government decides to eliminate American steel manufacturing by selling steel well below the amount it costs them to make it? Does your economics textbook from the 30’s give you the answer?”

  361. Chicon says:

    368 – Chuckie is worried that Trump is doing serious damage to the Dems in that demographic. And Chuck is right. He’s in a box.

  362. Chicon says:

    “What is asinine is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.”

    The guy who sold ice for ice boxes back in the day expected things to never change, too. So did the people renting dvd’s. Things change, Chief. Circumstances change. It would help if you knew WHY tariffs didn’t work in the past; then you’d be able to articulate why they won’t work now. And when someone points out a difference from the past – such as they are temporary and targeted – you’d have a better answer than your typical misrepresentations and insults.

  363. jason says:

    he guy who sold ice for ice boxes back in the day expected things to never change, too.”


    I will nominate that for stupidest analogy of the year.

    You are confusing changing technology with basic economic principles.

    That’s like saying the Laws of Physics will change because we use computers instead of slide rules.

  364. jason says:

    Trump is simply using it as a tool to force the Chinese to more agreeable terms.”

    Zzzzzz… puhhhhleeze…

    If you think you know that is what it is, don’t you think the Chinese are just as smart.

    Let’s get real here.

    Trump has been an isolationist and protectionist for decades. It’s one thing that has not changed given his flip flops on abortion and immigration among others.

    The idea that now all of a sudden he only believes in tariffs as a “negotiating tactic” is hilarious.

  365. jason says:

    ow should the American government respond if the Chinese government decides to eliminate American steel manufacturing by selling steel well below the amount it costs them to make it?”

    Is that simplistic garbage really the whole story?

    Or is it a fact American steel mills were inefficient, poorly managed, and not competitive with much more modern and efficient steel mills outside the US?

    The unions are much more responsible for the demise of the American steel industry than the Chinese.

  366. Chicon says:

    Will the trade deadender ever answer, or will he fall back on the insults?

    Here’s a question from above for you to ignore again. It is specific, and should be easy for you to answer….

    ” How should the American government respond if the Chinese government decides to eliminate American steel manufacturing by selling steel well below the amount it costs them to make it? Does your economics textbook from the 30’s give you the answer?”

  367. jason says:

    Stop being the Neville Chamberlain of tariff resolution.”

    You are the Neville Chamberlain, “peace in our time”, advocating for “temporary tariffs”.

    Let’s instead advocate for free trade as the long term solution.

  368. Wes says:

    1890 tariff passed.

    The Panic of 1893 occurred three years later.

    The FED raised interest rates and held them high in 1927.

    The Dow crashed in 1929, leading to a recession.

    At the beginning of the recession, Congress passed the Smoot-Harley Act in 1930.

    The recession worsened into the Great Depression in 1932.

    Reagan passed tax cuts in 1981.

    The economy pulled out of the Carter recession in 1983.

    GHWB signed a large tax increase in 1990.

    The economy dipped into recession in 1991.

    GWB passed tax cuts in 2001.

    The economy recovered from the dot com bubble in 2003 and 2004.

    With the exception of the GHWB tax increases in 1990, it took anywhere from 2 to 3 years for the salutory or negative effects of each of these economic endeavors to have a noticeable effect on the economy.

    Naturally Chicon thinks because the economy is strong now, tariffs will never do damage to the economy.

  369. Chicon says:

    Wes, it appears that the tariffs in the previous examples were on nearly all products from nearly all countries. The current example is targeted at certain nations for certain products. Are there peer reviewed studies that definitively show that these tariffs – which are a very small percentage of the economy – will have the same effects as your examples from the past?

    As an aside, you must be giving credit to Obama for the current economy, given your hard line 2-3 year cause and effect rule.

  370. mnw says:

    377 Chicon

    I agree completely with you.

    However, I’m not going to bang my head against the brick wall of “free trade” HHR posters– who think that’s what we used to have before Trump.

    I would add to your question, The WTO, after 11 years of hearings & appeals, has just issued it’s decision finding that: 1) the EU subsidized Airbus in violation of WTO rules; and 2) giving the U.S. explicit, written permission to impose retaliatory TARIFFS! Are these tariffs authorized by the WTO ALSO “anti-free trade”? ( jason used to suggest that instead of tariffs, we use “legal means.”

    To me the entire “free trade” argument come down to… unilateral disarmament.

  371. Chicon says:

    Wes, I did a quick Google search on the Panic of 1893. I checked a few sites, and none mentioned the 1890 tariff as a cause of the Panic. I’ll check my econ textbook from the 30’s.

  372. NYCmike says:

    “I guess he is old enough to forget that…

    “Obama recipients who made great sacrifices on behalf of the nation and the world: Robert De Niro, Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Michael Jordan, Lorne Michaels, Robert Redford, Vin Scully, Bruce Springsteen, Gloria Estefan, Barbra Streisand, Meryl Streep..””


    Thank you for posting that. I was going to remark that Trump was foolish to award that medal to Tiger Woods, but I made myself stop, and was going to investigate past recipients first, and then found that you did the work.

    I still don’t agree with Trump for giving it to Woods, but when I see previous recipients, I realize it is a non-story and more faux outrage from the MSM.

  373. NYCmike says:

    Tariff issue is one of those ideas which is better debated down the road.

    My business is actually dealing with one of our largest customers, who manufactured in Hong Kong. Their business was really upset. They actually thought about setting up manufacturing in the states, because they could have sent in all of the items without getting hit hard with the tariffs, and assemble them here.

    He also investigated other locales, and has decided to assemble in Turkey and Portugal. We will maintain our business with them.


  374. NYCmike says:


    I know you believe otherwise, but I think this issue needs to be addressed NOW, or the next time may get real ugly.

    I do think that you are correct to say Trump should focus on the economy, as opposed to these investigations. Let the people he put in place handle that.

  375. mnw says:


    I don’t entirely disagree. I guess at this point, I would describe myself as undecided.

  376. Chicon says:

    Mnw, unilateral disarmament is accurate. So is Neville Chamberlain.

  377. Chicon says:

    Wes, I searched for the causes of the 1929 stock market crash. This site lists seven things that contributed to the crash, monetary policy being last on the list. Interestingly, the graph shows the Fed raising rates in mid 1928. Maybe they’re wrong and the Fed raised rates in 1927, and that this was the sole cause of the crash.

  378. Wes says:

    The last paragraph of that article:

    The McKinley Tariff helped trigger the financial panic of 1893. Ironically, reverberations from the panic led to sharp Democratic losses in the 1894 midterm elections and to McKinley’s capture of the White House in 1896.

    Tariffs have never once hurt the economy though.

  379. NYCmike says:

    Jeopardy Category – “Statements Never Made on HHR” – for $1000

    What is “Tariffs have never once hurt the economy though.”?

  380. Chicon says:

    The Politico writer is the source? Nice.

  381. Wes says:

    I love this, Chicon. You’re so desperate for tariffs you have to try to nitpick everything and claim any cited event had nothing to do with the following economic occurrence.

    I thought only the Left ignored history and tried to use the tax code for social engineering. Now I see conservatives do it too.

    I also thought Chicon meant CHIcago CONservative. Now I realize it actually means CHIcago ProteCtiONist.

  382. Wes says:

    Being able to read at a third grade level at least helps, Chicon. Politico cites its source:

    Source: Historian, Clerk of the U.S. House

  383. Chicon says:

    Wes, so far we’ve seen two examples where you misrepresented history to support your point in 379. You wanted to show a 2-3 year cause and effect lag between an event and a bad result. So far you’re wrong on two – once on correlation and twice on causation. Are you able make your point without making up the supporting facts?

  384. Chicon says:

    So, Wes, you’re sure the cite was related to that line, eh?

  385. VictrC says:

    Avoiding the whole “are tariffs good or bad in this case argument” I found this nugget at the end of the politico article:

    “Change came in November, when the voters responded favorably to a Democratic pledge to cut the federal budget as they campaigned against not only the McKinley Tariff but also the spendthrift “billion-dollar Congress.””

    Wait….Dems wanted to cut the budget!?!?!?!?!….and the “billion dollar Congress” Heck, now a billion is a rounding error!!!

    How times change

  386. Wes says:

    Making things up?

    First off, I actually posted an article saying what I had said and citing the House historian and clerk as its own source for my argument.

    As for the interest rates, there’s not much difference between 1927 and 1928. Even so, I took the year from Jim Powell’s book FDR’s Folly. If Powell typed the wrong year, oh, well. That hardly rises to the level of making up facts you’re alleging. (What’s most telling is that your own source cites interest rates as contributing to the 1930 recession.)

    Finally tell me where I said no other event occurred that influenced any of these economic events. Obviously every event is multifactoral. I didn’t cite the drop in interest rates in pointing out how the economy recovered under Reagan for example. I cited the principal events and ones relevant to the conversation.

    You, being desperate to justify using the tax code to control people’s behavior though, have to act as if I’m creating facts out of whole cloth to support my argument.

  387. VictrC says:

    new thread