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Biden Leads Dem Field By 9% Nationally, Leads Trump By Only 1% in General

A quick turnaround from last night with a new poll this morning. Yesterday Change Research released a new poll for the presidential race and it shows Joe Biden’s lead in the Democratic primary standing at only 9%.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Change Research)
Joe Biden 31%
Bernie Sandrs 22%
Elizabeth Warren 15%
Pete Buttigieg 9%
Kamala Harris 8%
Beto O’Rourke 4%
Stacey Abrams 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Andrew Yang 2%
Tulsi Gabbard 1%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Kirsten Gillibrand 1%
Bill de Blasio 1%
Marianne Williamson 0%
John Hickenlooper 0%
Jay Inslee 0%
Seth Moulton 0%
Eric Swalwell 0%
Julián Castro 0%
Steve Bullock 0%
Michael Bennet 0%
Mike Gravel 0%
John Delaney 0%
Wayne Messam 0%

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Change Research)
Joe Biden (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Kamala Harris (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Beto O’Rourke (D) 46%

Donald trump (R-inc) 46%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 44%

This poll was done May 18-21 among 2904 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 8:01 am
Filed under: General | Comments (476)

476 Responses to “Biden Leads Dem Field By 9% Nationally, Leads Trump By Only 1% in General”

  1. Tgca says:

    Uno Bebe! Uno!

  2. Tgca says:

    From last thread…16

    So Bitter does not like rude people but he lives in the Northeast. I don’t get it.

    Bitter takes offense when someone says to him “sir or ma’am.” He has a point. I’d get annoyed too if someone called me ma’am.

  3. jason says:

    Biden’s announcement effect seems to be wearing off.

  4. Tina says:

    Biden is dropping rapidly.

    Biden Report hardest hit.

  5. Phil says:

    Does seem Biden’s initial burst of popularity after his announcement has faded a good bit.

  6. mnw says:

    Change Research is an “online only” poll*, & 538 rates it C+.

    *(think Zogby)

  7. lisab says:

    trump: if you like your documnents classified, you can keep your documents classified

  8. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  9. Tina says:

    The “doctored” video of piglosi is sexist, according to Her Thighness,

  10. jason says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAA!!!”

    This is what you get when your lunch is a bowl of glazed donuts swimming in a pint of organic maple syrup, washed down with an oreo smoothie.

  11. jason says:

    I am currently tied with 11 of the Dem candidates for President.

    I think that is pretty good since I have not yet spent a dime on the nomination.

  12. Tina says:

    I like Burr, but he is not doing well as the chairperson of the most corrupt committee in congress.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · 11h
    Democrat Senator Mark Warner is acting and talking like he is in total control of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Their is nothing bipartisan about him. He should not be allowed to take “command” of that Committee. Too important! Remember when he spoke to the Russian jokester?

  13. jason says:

    OBAMA’S SPYING ON THE PRESS WAS FAR MORE EXTENSIVE THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.”‘

    Yes, but they didn’t care.

    It was all for the cause.

  14. Tgca says:

    10 Lies! Lies!

    My lunch was a Beyond Meat Burger smothered in a chipotle jalapeño spice and melted blue cheese.

    Yummeeeee!

  15. lisab says:

    are dems more motivated to votefor biden than hillary?

    i don’t think so

  16. lisab says:

    maybe if he becomes a woman

  17. Wes says:

    I would say definitely, Lisa—for one reason:

    Trump is now President.

  18. Tina says:

    Ari Fleischer
    @AriFleischer
    ·
    8h
    Flynn was unmasked and the info leaked. Hillary’s campaign funded a false dossier that the FBI used to justify a FISA warrant. Comey’s briefing to Trump about the dossier was leaked. But Barr is the problem?!

  19. Tgca says:

    So Teresa May cries and they call her a big girl. If a guy did it, he would be weak.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7068621/JAN-MOIR-valiant-voice-faltered-did-Mrs-weakness.html

  20. lisab says:

    i think biden loses

    he is too white, old, male and has baggage

  21. Wes says:

    No. Biden wins for precisely those reasons.

    All of those factors enable his making inroads among Trump voters while Trump with enough baggage to build a stairway to Heaven can’t really go after Biden in old things everyone already knows about.

    Dems are smart enough to know Biden can beat Trump while Bernie, Liz Warren, and Co. are going to have trouble making inroads among the voters needed to unseat Trump.

    That’s why Biden’s the Dems’ man.

  22. Wes says:

    I’m going to have my popcorn out for next year’s debates. I’m going to have fun seeing if Biden or Trump lies, distorts the truth, and makes stupid statements more.

    I’d make it a drinking game, but I actually want to make it past the first quarter hour without a .36 BCA.

  23. lisab says:

    ocksElGatoNever Lost My Sense of Outrage • 3h
    Biden is being forced to run by the Corporate Establishment to undermine Bernie. Plain and simple. If it means not giving a damn about Climate change, so be it. The Establishment could care less about the well being of anyone. Profits first, everything else is secondary. Biden is only doing their bidding.

  24. Tina says:

    Nicolle Wallace to Beto O’Rourke: “What can we do to better cover your candidacy?”

  25. Tina says:

    And Schifty actually colluded with Russians to get nude trump pics:

    Adam Schiff
    @RepAdamSchiff
    · Dec 17, 2016
    President Obama can and must declassify as much as possible about Russia hacking our elections. Rest assured, Trump won’t. (link: https://twitter.com/mcfaul/status/810175536618147841) twitter.com/mcfaul/status/…

  26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is hilarious. Video clips of when liberal commentators, such as Bill Maher, were telling Avenatti that he was a folk hero and was going to save the country.

    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1131730009775906816

  27. Bitterlaw says:

    Dave has not changed the basic focus or style of HHR in 15 years. He posts polls. For some reason, Tina is suddenly annoyed. Yet, she never referred to HHR as the Kerry Report, W Report, McCain Report, Obama Report, Romney Report, Hillary Report, or Trump Report when Dave posted polls.

  28. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

  29. mnw says:

    Marketwatch:

    “Young People Blame Climate Change for Their Small 401k Balances”

    Get a haircut, and get a real job. Get it together like your big brother Bob.

  30. jason says:

    I’m going to have fun seeing if Biden or Trump lies, distorts the truth, and makes stupid statements”…

    Dems don’t lie, they misspeak…

  31. Bitterlaw says:

    Young people put less in 401k because they don’t have coextensive to survive climate disasters. They ha point. I don’t do much with 401k because I am a diabetic and my wife should outlive me. She puts more in while I pay more towards our expenses.

  32. jason says:

    If they believe AOC they shouldn’t bother wit 401ks…

    They only have 12 years, actually it’s more like 11 years and 9 months now.

  33. jason says:

    Nicolle Wallace to Beto O’Rourke: “What can we do to better cover your candidacy?”

    If she interviewed Obama she would ask what do you think was your greatest accomplishment, keeping the oceans from rising of achieving world peace, or do you think they were equally momentous?

  34. jason says:

    or achieving world peace…

  35. jason says:

    Biden is only doing their bidding.”

    Hmmm.. kind of makes sense…

  36. jason says:

    Doing a dry run for tomorrow… got some baby back racks on the grill. Tomorrow will be the real thing, marinated skirt steak and porterhouses.

    I didn’t answer my wife’s question who is going to eat all this because I don’t entertain silly questions.

    I will say a prayer for Tgca as he chows down on a fake burger and an edible (?) bark and moss salad sprinkled with gymnosperm seeds and Moroccan argan oil.

  37. Tgca says:

    I made 4 scrambled eggs this AM with melted white cheddar and garnished with parsley, oregano, and black pepper and smothered in an Alfredo sauce. All those carbs Jadon…right?

    …it’s a good thing I’m not Asian!

  38. jason says:

    Bart Starr dead…. a real legend.

  39. Tgca says:

    I’m gonna put some more lean meat on my bones in anticipation of another fookin’ upcoming surgery that will have me partially incapacitated for 6 weeks.

    I surely am not in good grace with the Gods. I think it’s because I’m pro-life.

  40. jason says:

    “Alfredo sauce”

    Horrible and disgusting concoction I wouldn’t feed to a lla… huh, pig.

    Stick with bearnaise or hollandaise.

  41. jason says:

    Another surgery?

    No wonder health insurance is so high, the costs of Tgca’s surgeries is astronomical.

  42. jason says:

    The costs is?

    I would blame Messy, but she has been scarcer than rocking horse turds since her cherished Steele dossier was proven to be a fraud.

  43. Tgca says:

    Jadon is discriminating and being insensitive regarding my disabilities. Where does this hatred of folks with joint and spinal disease come from I would like to know?

    Shame on him! This is what happens when you slaughter cute lil animals and eat them…you become insensitive to the pain and suffering of others.

  44. Tgca says:

    This is very interesting. If true, MLK remembrance will have quite a reckoning when the tapes are released in 2027. This gent seems to be a legit author and historian from what I see but not sure of the content of his books. He is a Dem socialist and has done books on a number of civil rights issues and Obama too and won kudos for past writings on MLK and has covered SCOTUS too so it doesn’t sound like he has an axe to grind but who knows.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html

  45. Tgca says:

    41

    Let it be known that Jadon likes the girly sauces like Hollandaise and Bearnaise. So French of him. I’ll stick with the more manly Italian Alfredo sauce myself. When in Rome…

  46. mnw says:

    “AI girlfriends indistinguishable from humans, after 5G upgrade”

    Thank God for Drudge! Without him, I would be way behind on sex robot news.

    It would be embarrassing to call the repairman, though.

  47. Wes says:

    People with AI girlfriends?

    Hm.

    This is the year the original Bladerunner is set.

  48. Wes says:

    Of course I think this way:

    Develop some social skills and attract a girl with a measurable heartbeat, you flipping loser.

  49. jason says:

    This is what happens when you slaughter cute lil animals and eat them…”

    I burp.

  50. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    44. “This is what happens when you slaughter cute lil animals and eat them…you become insensitive to the pain and suffering of others.”

    I watched this weekend a heron come upon a songbird nest, and systematically grab each baby bird in the nest and shallow it alive. The world of Bambi does not exist; nature is vicious and cruel. Schopenhauer once said he would not want to be the god who created this earth, because the misery and distress would break his heart.

  51. jason says:

    “A judge who has been on the bench for 20 years in Utah has been suspended without pay for 6 months following a Utah Supreme Court ruling that reprimanded him for comments he’s made in and out of the courtroom that were critical of President Trump. His remarks, the ruling stated, called the judge’s impartiality into question.”

    Too bad it didn’t happen to Ginsburg….

    “He is a faker. He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego. … How has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? “

  52. jason says:

    Corey to say I am advocating for Ginsburg to die in 3, 2, 1…

  53. Tgca says:

    So France moves a bit right in parliamentary election, at least over Macron. Marie Le Pen’s party looks like it will come in 1st place in France E.U. elections. This is very interesting.

  54. Tina says:

    Euro globalists lost.

  55. Tina says:

    Chad
    @ChadCentral
    ·
    3h
    Steve Bannon wasn’t kidding when he told the world to prepare for an earthquake in #EUElections2019. In the UK, voter turnout is the highest ever and the #Brexit Party dominated. In Italy, Salvini’s League won. In France, Le Pen’s National Rally finished ahead of Macron. 1/2
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    Chad
    @ChadCentral
    ·
    3h
    In Poland, the Law and Justice Party is on track to secure its best result ever. In Hungary, Orban’s party dominates. An absolute shockwave through Europe. 2/2 #EP2019 #EUElections2019

  56. jason says:

    Greek commies lost big too.

    The MSM is declaring the Greens won the elections because they increased their seats in the European Parliament from 54 to 85 or something like that.

    You got to love the MSM spin machine.

  57. Victrc says:

    Jason…it’s hilarious. I see the same headlines all over about the greens increasing their numbers, then in the very last paragraph you read that “nationalist” parties gained 40% over their previous total, which was much higher to start with than the Greens. All in all they added something like 70 seats, yet the MSM leads with the 30 the greens won.

    I’ve been saying for quite some time (first wrote about it around ‘04 that eventually the nationalist instincts in most European countries would creep up and put an end to the EU as we know it. You can’t erase what in some cases is 3000 years of culture and national identity..

  58. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a picture of a poor baby carrot being torn away from its mother and eaten by a greedy vegan.

    Tgca, have you no shame!

    https://me.me/i/this-poor-carrott-is-hugging-its-mother-abou-to-be-21224452

  59. jason says:

    The EU is a smart idea as an economic alliance.

    But the push to give all the countries the same cultural identity is stupid.

  60. jason says:

    SD, the poor bastard is addicted to fake food. If I wasn’t an A-hole I would say I feel sorry for him.

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The European parliamentary elections saw right-wing parties obtain the most votes in Italy, France, Poland, Hungary and elsewhere. In Britain, the Conservatives were all but annihilated; but the opposition Labor party likewise lost seats. The BREXIT party did best, followed by the Liberal Democrats, which broke away Labor many years ago because even then they saw Labor as too left-wing. Conservatives parties won in Austria, and did very well in Flanders — in both countries the conservative parties have very young leaders — a new generation of European conservatives are emerging.

    In the U.S., Canada, Australia and India, and now Europe, voters seem to be turning against the existing status quo. Trump’s election in 2016 cannot be viewed as a fluke. People throughout the world are voting against the status quo and governing elites, and for parties which the elites view disdainfully as loutish and illiberal.

    There is a story of when elite leader was told “the peasants were revolting”, he responded “and they’re are disgusting too.”

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the arrogant European Commission President’s comments:

    “European Commission President Jean-Claude
    Juncker called out “stupid nationalists” in an interview Wednesday, on the eve of the European Parliament election.

    “These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” Juncker told CNN. “They don’t like those coming from far away, I like those coming from far away … we have to act in solidarity with those who are in a worse situation than we are in.”

    Speaking about Brexit, Juncker said the process has been something of a boon when it comes to support for the EU, as “the number of those in favor of the European Union is increasing because people are watching what is happening and they are seeing that leaving the European Union is not as easy as they were told.”

  63. Tgca says:

    M AKE
    E ARTH
    G REAT
    A GAIN

    MEEEEEEEEGAAAAAAAAA!

  64. Messy says:

    9. since it WAS doctored. It was sexist.

  65. mnw says:

    64 SDC

    That IS arrogant! Beyond belief arrogant.

    I interpret it to mean, “Don’t like millions of new Muslim immigrants? Fine. We’ll bring in MORE of them, then.”

    They act like plain vanilla authoritarians, & then wonder why ordinary voters aren’t digging their act lately.

  66. mnw says:

    59 Victrc

    EXACTLY correct about the way the EU elections are being covered by the media.

    Anyone surprised? I don’t see any hands.

  67. jason says:

    Messy is back after psychiatric treatment.

    She will need more after the IG report and the other investigations on the collusion hoax.

  68. Wobbles says:

    I LOVE the MSM, they are never wrong.

  69. jason says:

    MEEEEEEEEGAAAAAAAAA!

    Suggggggarrrrrrrr!

  70. jason says:

    Comprehensive European results if anyone is interested.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-european-parliament-elections/

  71. jason says:

    Victor Davis Hanson summarizes it well in this excerpt…

    “Before the defeat of Hillary Clinton, the idea that the Russians or anyone else could warp or tamper with our elections in any serious manner was laughed off by President Obama. “There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America’s elections,” Obama said in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.

    Obama was anxious that the sure-to-be-sore-loser Trump would not blame his defeat on voting impropriety in a fashion that might call into question Clinton’s victory. After Clinton’s stunning defeat, Russian “collusion”—thanks initially to efforts by Obama holdover Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates to go after Michael Flynn and the successful attempts of the CIA and FBI to seed the bogus Steele dossier among the government elite—became a club to destroy the incoming Trump Administration.

    How ironic that Russian “collusion” was used as a preemptive charge from those who actually had colluded with Russians for all sorts for financial and careerist advantages.”

  72. Victrc says:

    Here is an interesting article. In it three different prediction models are calling for a Trumo victory in 2020.

    The truly interesting part is the discussion of predictive percentages, which will add to the sentiment that Wes and Bitter have discussed, which is Trump’s penchant to piss off people even when he does something good.

    The model, which predicts what percentage a candidate will receive was spot on in both Obama elections, called for Trump to get 52% in ‘16, while he only received 49%. Call it the Trump negative effect.

    In 2020 it’s calling for him to get 56.1% I’d the vote currently. Could it be that the economy will trump the Trump effect??

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

  73. dblaikie says:

    74 That is what I have advocated since the midterms. James Carville was and is right “it is the economy stupid.”

  74. Victrc says:

    75. The problem is, as soon as any number starts to turn down the MSM will go full bore on telling the Americans public how the economy is tanking under Trump and that what happened in 17-19 was because of Obama and that the real Trump economy is the downturn, blah blah blah

    Or, conversely, if the economy keeps buzzing along watch for the Dems in congress to do all they can to sabatoge it, so as to not lose in 2020.

  75. jason says:

    called for Trump to get 52% in ‘16, while he only received 49%”

    Trump was not even close to 49% in 2016. He got 46%. Actually 45.93%, sue me.

  76. jason says:

    Trump could cure cancer, achieve peace in the ME, turn Rocketman into a capitalist, and move the DOW to 50000 and he wouldn’t get 56%.

  77. Bitterlaw says:

    I hope Romney continues to tell Trump to F off while voting overwhelmingly with the GOP. Being criticized by Mark Levin, the King of the Deadenders is hardly a condemnation.

  78. Victrc says:

    Jason….typo, I’m using my phone. Correct 46%.

    Btw, I know most know this already but I’m far from a Trump fanatic. I cringe at every new tweet and belittling name. I supported Rubio in the primary, much to my chagrin as he was absolutely not ready for the job.

    With that said, as someone who was invited to the D war room on election night ‘18, I think they are making the same fatal mistakes they did in ‘16 as they absolutely believe all Americans hate him and he will be easily defeated. The incumbency and the economy are strong factors that may outweigh his negativity.

    I’m not convinced he will lose yet. He could, and is doing all he can to ensure it, but….

  79. NYCmike says:

    Happy Memorial Day to all!

  80. NYCmike says:

    And YES, I know using the word “Happy” is kind of odd, but the father of one of the kids in my son’s scout troop is a veteran, and he says “Damn straight you use that word! Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise!”.

    Since he is pretty damn intimidating, I am going to listen to him…….

  81. jason says:

    Romney is a complete scumbag and unprincipled jerk who just wants to be popular with the MSM.

    I have lost all respect for the guy, after years of going to bat for him here. I would still defend him against the vulture capitalist and “invented Obamacare” BS, but on character, feel free to bash him to your heart’s content.

    He is free to disagree with Trump on policy, I share some of his concerns, but his sycophantic embracing of the all the MSNBC talking points on Trump is truly disgusting.

    I certainly don’t regret voting for him over Obama, but I certainly regret supporting his candidacy.

  82. Wes says:

    So a predictive model that was a full six points too generous to Trump last time is what we’re citing now to predict his reelection?

    All right…

  83. jason says:

    Levin is a pompous ass masquerading as “constitutional expert”, I doubt he has even read the Constitution given his bizarre interpretations. King of the deadenders is a good description.

    He has been calling Romney a RINO for decades. Romney is not a RINO, he certainly is more of a Republican than Trump ever was. Romney sold out to the MSM, both can be true.

  84. jason says:

    Nothing “happy” about Memorial Day.

    But NYC is just the kind of guy that would be “intimidated” into saying something stupid.

  85. jason says:

    So a predictive model that was a full six points too generous to Trump last time is what we’re citing now to predict his reelection?”

    Hey, if it is now predicting Trump at 56% and they are off by 6% again….. well… you do the math.

  86. Wes says:

    1) The economy didn’t help Republicans last year when voters turned off by Trump’s antics turned out to swamp the GOP. Luckily for them, Senate Republicans had a favorable map that kept them from losing control of the chamber.

    2) Incumbency matters when the incumbent is popular. It’s a hindrance when the voters have soured on the incumbent. Just ask GHWB. His post-war popularity had faded by early 1992 because of recession and perception he was out of touch with voters. He had negative favorables from summer on—once dipping to 30%—and trailed Clinton significantly even when Perot wasn’t in the race. He lost to Clinton by nearly 6% in the popular vote and in the Electoral College by over 200 votes. Incumbency was of no help to a President voters no longer had confidence in.

    Sans the third-party candidate, I expect Trump to suffer the same fate as GHWB. Voters consistently have a low opinion of him and turned out in force to reject him by proxy last year. They still don’t like him, and absolutely nothing indicates his competent stewardship of the economy is in any way a boon to him because his boorish personality consistently overshadows all the positives of his Administration.

    Had Trump learned from 2018 and reinvented himself as a President Americans didn’t instinctively feel repulsed by I believe Trump would win re-election comparably to how well Obama did in 2016. Nonetheless here we are.

  87. NYCmike says:

    “But NYC is just the kind of guy that would be “intimidated” into saying something stupid.”

    -jason is now calling the special services dad, he of 5 or more separate tours to Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 30 years, stupid.

    BUT…….don’t say anything bad about John McCain, or else jason will get his panties in a wad.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “Levin is a pompous ass masquerading as “constitutional expert”, I doubt he has even read the Constitution given his bizarre interpretations. King of the deadenders is a good description.”

    -Give one example of one of “his bizarre interpretations”.

  89. NYCmike says:

    “He has been calling Romney a RINO for decades. Romney is not a RINO, he certainly is more of a Republican than Trump ever was. Romney sold out to the MSM, both can be true.”

    -Romney has governed with a varying set of principles. I have no issue with him doing so, as he was Governor of Massachusetts, a very liberal state. That state was lucky to have his service.

    That said, he is a RINO, in that he is stupid enough, even after being savaged by the media in 2012, to sell out and act so horribly after being elected Senator in, WAIT FOR IT, UTAH!

    As for Trump’s lack of Republicanism, he has acted the same as most recent Republicans in terms of spending (terribly), he has done better with getting rid of burdensome rules and regulations, and the jury is still out in regard to trade issues and foreign policy.

    On one other issue, in taking the fight to the media/Democratic Party, he is without peer when compared to other elected officials, except for maybe Rudy…….but then again, Rudy had to only deal with the NYC media for the most part, and as Mayor, had a lot more power to do so.

  90. NYCmike says:

    RIP to Bill Buckner.

    What a shame that a good man had to deal with such a tough illness.

  91. Victrc says:

    Wes.

    Let me clarify please. I absolutely did not post that to either overtly, or insinuate, that this meant Trump would get re-elected. I stated that I thought it was interesting.

    I’m actually inclined to agree with your last paragraph, if he had reinvented himself I think he’d easily win re-election (btw re election has nothing to do with % in the general, but electoral college win). He would hold all of the 2016 states with a change of attitude.

    As things stand I think he loses to Biden and it’s a toss up with the rest. Agree with me or disagree, it’s ok.

  92. Tina says:

    Can she just focus on killing more jobs in Ny?

    The Hill
    @thehill
    · 14h
    Ocasio-Cortez blasts NYT for using “cover shot” photo of Hope Hicks while “menacing photos” are used for victims of color (link: http://hill.cm/0DxmRZi) hill.cm/0DxmRZ

  93. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Two rule regarding election predictions:

    1. Ignore confident forecasters. As someone said: “It astounds me that humanity has yet to come to grips with the fact that the future is unpredictable.”

    2. Ignore mathematical models unless they contain all possible variables; otherwise chaos theory applies – a “nearly infinite constellation of variables – simply makes further prediction impossible.” A dart throwing chimp would be more accurate than a mathematical model with unknown variables.

  94. Tina says:

    Cn and n got to run diversion on this.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ….Super Predator was the term associated with the 1994 Crime Bill that Sleepy Joe Biden was so heavily involved in passing. That was a dark period in American History, but has Sleepy Joe apologized? No!
    2:16 PM · May 27, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

  95. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    96. “That was a dark period in American History, but has Sleepy Joe apologized?”

    The 1994 crime was one of the most successful anti-crime measures ever enacted. With the adoption of the three strikes rule and other law enforcement measures, there was a dramatic decrease in crime. Criminals ended up where they belonged — in jail.

    The reason major urban areas are now zombie jungles, with increased crime and serious public safety issues, is police have been deprived of the tools they need to address the rise in criminal activity. If you want to see the results, view the video “Seattle is dying.”

    Trump may think he will earn some cheap brownie points by this tweet, but he is doing major damage to chances of being re-elected.

  96. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    97. The 1994 crime *bill*

  97. @RudyGiuliani
    “The 1994 Crime Bill passed by Pres. Clinton and Speaker Gingrich,with Biden & Schumer as the leaders in Senate and House,helped me and the NYPD reduce murder from @ 1,900 a year to @ 500 and then under Mayor Bloomberg to @ 350. That’s over 20,000 lives saved. Joe don’t cave.”

  98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    96. “Cn and n got to run diversion on this.”

    CNN does not need to, Giuliani is doing it for him. Trump is looking like a complete idiot.

  99. Wes says:

    So Trump is against law and order now? I’m not sure how attacking an anti-crime bill that delivered tangible benefits is a boon to him or his reelection.

  100. Wes says:

    Elimination of college education for low-income criminals and the assault weapons ban were its two most controversial provisions. The latter ended a decade later.

    The former probably deserves a review if we want criminals to be less likely to return to crime after leaving prison.

    The rest of the bill was largely successful.

  101. Tina says:

    Midnight basketball and prison overcrowding were also “successes.”

    Definitely some good in the bill, lots of it. Some parts bad.

    Reform of aspects of it and or updates are helpful, if Congress can act.

    But buden promised reforms of it in 2014 and it was an issue in 2016.

  102. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    102. Agree with you Wes. There was good and bad, and those two provisions were clearly bad. The measure was the initial tough medicine that brought crime down; rehabilitation and other new initiatives are now needed. Trump’s criminal justice reform initiative is a good step in this direction.

  103. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    What is often not realized is that police need a carrot and stick to get criminals off drugs and into rehabilitation. The threat of arrest and jail time was often the incentive to get criminals into drug treatment. In California it worked very well; there were graduation ceremonies for offenders who successfully completed their programs in San Diego, and job placement often followed.

  104. Tina says:

    This real Republican is an idiot. I know she writes for the compost, but Pete the Cheat and the mistress were not low level agents. She probably should look up their titles. The mistress was Andy’s Assistant and Pete The Chests title was well known.

    Second, they “communicated” using Gubment phones. There is no right of privacy.

    Jennifer Rubin
    @JRubinBlogger
    · May 26
    Replying to @ABCPolitics
    Shame on her. There were 2 FBI agents in private conversation. Not top level. Not decision makers. This is the intellectual corruption of GOP

  105. dblaikie says:

    I must say, Wes’s ability to take episodes of past political history and weave them to make his arguments is quite impressive. I respect him for that. However in his weaving he conveniently leaves out a couple of factors. In his above post he makes the point that GHWB became unpopular and lost — as proof that the same thing is going to happen to Trump. However in the post there is this one little fact, GHWB was unpopular because of a bad economy. Oh how I remember the line of Bill Clinton, “The worst economy in 50 years.”

    But the big fact he leaves out is that GHWB had to go against Bill Clinton who was as skilled a politician that this Country has produced. For those of us who lived through that era he could charm a rattlesnake. Hardly the same as today where we have 25 left wing candidates who espouse policies that would cripple our economy and country. Further GHWB had to go put up with Ross P. who was great on TV and hated Bush’s guts. Sorry but there is no one today who could fill the shoes of the “hand grenade with a bad hair cut.”

    So I will grant Wes’s point. A lot of people don’t like Trump. His tweets can be rude and mean and small spirited. However the big question is when folks go into the voting booth will they choose getting rid of mean tweets or destroying a vibrant economy. I believe they will choose the latter.

  106. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Does this poll of the upcoming NC CD-09 Special Election sound reasonable? It has Bishop(R) +4 over McCready(D)?
    Will you and Tink vote for Bishop?

    https://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/NC-9-Executive-Summary.pdf

  107. jason says:

    But NYC is just the kind of guy that would be “intimidated” into saying something stupid.”

    -jason is now calling the special services dad, he of 5 or more separate tours to Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 30 years, stupid.”

    Huh, no, I said YOU were intimidated into saying something stupid.

    But if the shoe fits, by all means wear it.

  108. dblaikie says:

    In the above post of course I meant keeping a vibrant economy. So I should have said, “or not destroying a vibrant economy.”

  109. Wes says:

    I do admire your goalpost moving, DB. While, yes, Clinton was a charming pol, you ignore the fact that GHWB was consistently unpopular in 1992. Likewise Trump is consistently unpopular now. That’s not a good sign.

    Voters proved in 2018 they were willing to turn out in presidential numbers to reject a President they were increasingly disdainful of by proxy. There’s no evidence their opinion of him has changed or their actions will be any different next year.

  110. Wes says:

    Stern makes some interesting points. I wish he would source this “inside information “ though. He’s saying believable things. I don’t know if they’re true:

    https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/445372-howard-stern-says-he-has-inside-info-that-trump-campaign-was

  111. jason says:

    Here is my take. Trump is liked or tolerated by about 45% of the electorate. The other 55% dislike him in varying degrees of intensity. So the challenge for Trump is eke out another 5% from that universe of voters who dislike him.

    Normally this would not be such a daunting task, given that not all those 55% are enamored with the socialist agenda put forth by ALL the Dem contenders.

    However, the traditional mushy middle of persuadable voters has shrunk dramatically in the highly polarized political environment we live in.

    I don’t know of ONE Trump supporter who voted for him last time around but won’t in 2020. But they must exist, just like there are people like me who didn’t vote for him in 2016 but will vote for him in 2020. These groups most likely cancel out.

    I don’t agree with wes that the 2018 results were only about Trump, and I don’t agree with the premise that the 2020 will just be about Trump either.

    But I do agree with his general assumption that to win the election, Trump cannot rely just on his present base, he will have to do something to attract votes from those who dislike him, a difficult challenge.

    Yes, the Dems could nominate someone who voters dislike even more than Trump, arguably that was the case with Hillary, but I doubt that would be the case with Biden.

    Trump can still change the dynamics of the race, the time left before the election is an eternity in politics. But so far I agree with wes that he is not doing that.

  112. jason says:

    Stern is an entertainer, this story sounds like entertainment.

    In any case, I can’t think of anything more irrelevant now than what Trump’s reasons were for running for President.

    But if I was going to bet, I would say “getting a raise for the Apprentice” was probably not one of them.

  113. jason says:

    There were 2 FBI agents in private conversation. Not top level. Not decision makers.”

    Wow. So many lies.

    They weren’t private conversations.

    Not top level?

    “Strzok was the Chief of the Counterespionage Section and led the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server.

    Strzok rose to become the Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division, the second-highest position in that division. He also led the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.”

    Page was Special Counsel to the Deputy Director of the FBI, McCabe.

  114. Phil says:

    While Trump’s behavior is a turnoff and would probably result in a defeat vs the right candidate – Biden, Democrats aren’t going to have an easy time beating him with a Harris, Sanders, Booker, Beto, etc or any of the other hard left candidates.

    In a couple of cycles it won’t matter how far left the Democrats are. Demographics of the electorate will put math entirely on their side, but for now they can’t get away with running as socialists.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil is still married to the Demographics is Destiny idea. Nothing can change. I think the 2020 Federalist v Democratic-Republican election for the White House will be exciting.

  116. jason says:

    Yep, Phil assumes certain groups will always vote a certain way.

    If that was true the whole South would still be voting Democratic and Vermont would be voting Republican.

  117. lisab says:

    i don’t think she had any appeal

    ——————————————
    Woman who cried rape nine times loses her appeal

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-who-cried-rape-nine-times-loses-her-appeal-wt206dj3w?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1553837536

    A senior judge has said it “beggars belief” that a woman would invent 15 rapes and sexual assaults just to claim victim compensation as a court rejected an appeal to clear her name.

    Jemma Beale, 27, was described as a “serial liar” who invented allegations in part to make her female lover jealous. She was jailed for ten years in 2017 after her lies resulted in an innocent man serving a two-year prison term and the police spending more than £250,000 investigating her allegations.

  118. jason says:

    NYC to say it is not a tax increase because he doesn’t buy shoes in 3, 2,1.

    “Any American who has made his or her way down the shoe section of a Walmart (WMT) or Target (TGT) has probably stumbled across a pair of Deer Stags.

    The brand specializes in moderately priced family footwear for men and boys with prices ranging around $20 to $25 for boys’ shoes and around under $50 for men’s. One of the reasons why Deer Stags can keep prices low is because it keeps profit margins tight and costs low by having their shoes 100% manufactured in China. And so if the proposed increase on tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese goods were to go into effect, American shoppers could find themselves paying more for a pair of Stags and many other footwear brands.

    Deer Stags President Rick Muskat spoke to Yahoo Finance about how extra duties on footwear could affect the company and the American consumer.

    “Think of the average family of four with two working parents, or with a single mom who has to buy her boys’ shoes, on average, three to four pairs a season twice a year because they grow through their shoes,” Muskat said.

    “Every time spring rolls around, they need sandals in summer and sneakers for back to school, boots in the winter and a pair of dress shoes for church or for whatever it is,” he added. “So you’re talking about with two kids, that’s 16 pairs a year going up $5 to $10 a pair. That’s a dramatic increase in their budget.”

    On May 20, over 170 footwear companies which included footwear heavyweights including Nike (NKE), Adidas (ADDYY) owned Reebok, Crocs (CROX) and Under Armour (UA) signed a letter urging President Trump to reconsider a proposal to implement tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese goods.

    “This significant tax increase, in the form of tariffs, would impact every type of shoe and every single segment of our society,” the letter stated. Deer Stags also signed the letter.”

  119. lisab says:

    Taylor Swift Promises to Get ‘Political’ in Upcoming Music

    oh joy

  120. lisab says:

    sounds like a good time to open a shoe factory in vietnam

  121. lisab says:

    of course you can buy shoes at walmart for $10

  122. lisab says:

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday said it has allowed part of an Indiana abortion law to take effect, requiring fetal remains be buried or cremated after an abortion.

    But the court has also let stand a lower court ruling that invalidates Indiana’s ban on abortion solely on the basis of sex, race or disability.

    That part of the 2016 law, signed into law by Gov. Mike Pence, remains blocked. The justices make clear they “express no view on the merits.”

  123. lisab says:

    Alabama governor, on defending civil war mounuments

    “we don’t need out of state liberals telling us what to do”
    ————————-

    ummmmmmmmmmm … that was pretty much what the civil war was about

  124. lisab says:

    Vietnam becomes main manufacturer for Adidas and Nike footwear

    The sportswear manufacturers, Adidas and Nike, has relocated manufacturing logistics from China to Vietnam.

    Adidas has halved the amount of footwear it makes in China since 2010, having moved most production to Vietnam.

    The nation has also overtaken China as Nike’s predominant footwear manufacturer – who held the title 10 years ago, Quartz reported.

    Uniqlo, the Japanese fashion company, has increased its suppliers in Vietnam by 40% in the last year.

  125. DW says:

    Saddened to hear about the loss of Bill Buckner. Few athletes have had to endure such unjust scorn and ridicule. Virtually EVERY article I have read about that fateful game 6 of the 1986 World Series has some of the details wrong. Even an article I read yesterday lamenting the ill treatment Buckner received for the infamous error still had a detail wrong. It wrongly said the game was tied when Mookie Wilson came up to bat. That was false. The Red Sox still had a 1 run lead when Wilson stepped in. But during his at bat, Bob Stanley uncorked a wild pitch–Gedman stabbed at it but missed as Mookie jumped in the air to avoid getting hit. Kevin Mitchell scored from third without a play, and that tied the game, setting up the situation where a few pitches later Mookie hit the dribbler up along first that went through Buckner’s legs allowing the winning run to score.

    But all the scorn heaped on Buckner overlooks several facts:

    1) Had he fielded the ball cleanly, his momentum was perpendicular to the first base line. He would have had to stop, then move forward to beat Mookie to the bag. I don’t think he would have made it, and Bob Stanley wasn’t going to make it over from the mound to cover either.

    2) Even if Buckner managed to beat Mookie to the bag, the game would have gone into extra innings, with the Red Sox having spent more of their bull pen than the Mets, who would have been favored to win the game in extra innings.

    3) Red Sox manager John McNamara foolishly pulled Roger Clemens too early.

    4) McNamara also foolishly neglected to replace Buckner with Dave Stapleton for the last inning, so that Buckner could be on the field to celebrate the win with his team.

    5) Nobody blames Calvin Shiraldi or Bob Stanley for giving up 3 runs after getting the first two outs. It was Bob Stanley’s wild pitch that allowed the Mets to tie the game.

    But Red Sox fans didn’t care. The ball went through Buckner’s legs so they made him their punching bag, even though the Red Sox do not make it to the World Series without Buckner’s hitting.

    Years later when Buckner first returned to Fenway Park to throw out the first pitch, fans held up signs saying ‘we forgive you’ which was stupid, because he didn’t do anything wrong that needed forgiveness. Buckner himself could have walked out with a sign that read, “I forgive you” and it would have been accurate.

    Bill Buckner was a class act, a great ballplayer, and was maliciously treated by fans and media who wronged this great man.

    RIP Bill Buckner.

  126. DW says:

    Furthermore, the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead they wasted in Game 7 of the 1986 World Series, and still lost.

  127. NYCmike says:

    I do not understand why Trump is going after Biden because of that crime bill. Who the heck cares about that bill?

    Go ahead and focus on Democratic mayors allowing for sanctuary cities and junk like that, but stay away from such particulars like a 25 year old crime bill.

  128. NYCmike says:

    “Furthermore, the Red Sox had a 3-0 lead they wasted in Game 7 of the 1986 World Series, and still lost.”

    -I have to admit, there was never a moment in Game 7 when I thought the Mets would lose. It was really odd being happy that whole game, despite the score being against them until like the 5th or 6th inning.

  129. NYCmike says:

    Wow, just looked at the boxscore……the Red Sox actually were only down 6-5 in the 8th inning, but then the Mets scored 2 more runs.

    I do not remember it being that close.

  130. Hugh says:

    I think trump will likely win in 2020. I was disappointed in the 2018 election and felt certain voters (ie suburban women) turned off by trump wanted to send a message and felt dems would counterbalance trump. But what they got was craziness by the other side that they did not vote for. Good chance the dems lose the house as well if they don’t change direction. However, just like trump can’t change, I don’t think they can change. Trump is a known piece of work. The dem house is a new piece of work that is scarier than trump.

  131. Phil says:

    Bitter and Jason,

    Minorities aren’t going to be voting Republican anytime in the foreseeable future. Surely neither of you are actually counting on that happening. If so, good luck.

  132. NYCmike says:

    I am preparing for a Trump loss……..as Bitterlaw would say, my Irish side always thinks the worst will happen.

  133. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud and NYCmoron pump their fists in the air at the chance to argue that good ole Roy was wronged by muh liberal media.

    Scott Wong
    @scottwongDC

    JUDGE ROY MOORE to announce Senate bid soon? GOP rival @BradleyByrne says Moore camp is telling him to expect a JUNE launch #ALSEN

  134. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    I kind of like being coupled with you in Robbie’s fantasy world…….otherwise, one of us would be alone with his thoughts……..YIKES!

  135. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    May 28, 2019 at 2:36 pm
    Bitter and Jason,
    Minorities aren’t going to be voting Republican anytime in the foreseeable future. Surely neither of you are actually counting on that happening. If so, good luck.

    – Minorities definitely aren’t going to vote for a party that has Trump as its leader.

    Also, there’s this thing called persuasion. Rather than just going on FoxNews and howling at the moon, maybe Republican candidates could try reaching out every now and then.

    Novel. I know. Why try something different when getting Sean Hannity’s seal of approval has been so successful.

  136. DW says:

    131-It was Mets’ closer Jesse Orasco who faked the bunt and drove in the insurance run late in the game that opened up the lead.

  137. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    May 28, 2019 at 2:44 pm
    jason,
    I kind of like being coupled with you in Robbie’s fantasy world…….otherwise, one of us would be alone with his thoughts……..YIKES!

    – You supported good ole Roy even after the multiple and credible reports of his sexual misconduct came to light. Predictably, you cried “but muh liberal media” and puked up some nonsense about the Tea Party and small government.

    Jason fraud, who is dumber than a warm bucket of spit, supported good ole Roy after the credible allegations came to light as well and laughably claimed it was a media hit job.

    You’re a deadender, always have been, and always will be. You support losers because you want to feel good about your idiotic views. Unfortunately, supporting Trump on everything but trade (so brave) has turned Jason fraud into a presidential deadender as well.

    No doubt, you supported Trump cheering on Kim Jong Un this past weekend.

  138. DW says:

    Another interesting point about Game 7, after Jesse Orasco struck out Marty Barrett to win the world series, he hurled his glove all the way into orbit around the earth, as no camera angle ever saw the glove return to the ground.

  139. Phil says:

    Newsflash Robbie.

    Blacks didn’t vote for Republicans named Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain or Romney either. They all averaged about ten percent or roughly what Trump got.

    Give us a break.

  140. Bitterlaw says:

    I like and respect Phil. We just disagree. His Demographics is Destiny theory already failed since his lock for the Dem nomination, Kampala Harris, is…um…not a lock.

  141. Bitterlaw says:

    Kamala. Autocorrect sucks.

  142. Wes says:

    Mikey must have creamed his pants upon reading Roy Moore plans to help Doug Jones win re-election.

  143. Wes says:

    MS has one of the highest black populations in the country but votes solidly GOP on all levels. VT has an asterisk-level black population yet votes to the left of every state other than HI.

    Demographics are certainly not destiny despite what Ruy Texeira said in his self-serving book.

  144. Wes says:

    Republicans survived lopsided top-to-bottom defeats in 1932, 1936, and 1964 dwarfing anything that’s happened this century.

    If the GOP could survive Coast-to-Coast annihilation in years when the party essentially was an afterthought demographic changes aren’t going to destroy them now.

  145. jason says:

    Jason fraud, who is dumber than a warm bucket of spit, supported good ole Roy”

    I never supported Roy Moore, never.

    I supported Strange, as did Trump btw.

    I said Moore was a deadender scumbag who was unfit for office not because of any 40 year old allegations but because he didn’t believe in the rule of law and had twice lost his Chief Justice seat on the Alabama Supreme Court for refusing to follow the Constitution.

    I also stated if I lived in AL I would never vote for him no matter who ran against him.

    I do think the “credible” allegations against him, whether true or not, WERE a media hit job, and said I don’t think anyone’s political or personal life should be destroyed over 40 year old uncorroborated allegations, especially brought by the Washington Post right before an election.

    Finally, I said I hoped Moore won by one vote against the little Marxist union hall lawyer, and that should any of the allegations against him be proven, be expelled from the Senate.

    But I see why Amoral Scumbag is unhinged. His hero Michael Avenatti, who he promoted here as a paragon of virtue for months, is facing 400 years in jail.

    Amoral Scumbag and Avenatti make a great couple, both have the morals of a floating turd.

  146. Wes says:

    Here’s a candidate who at least verbally gets it:

    https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/georgia-6th-military-vet-promises-bring-new-perspective-gop-race/rNAshOyo9dfmRHx6ALXhWM/

    Karen Handel Lost because she was a weak candidate who never spent adequate time fundraising or connecting with voters. Nicole Rodden is pledging to be different. I don’t know if Rodden will walk the walk she’s talking, but if she does I think she’ll be far more formidable than Handel.

  147. Wes says:

    Roy Moore was guaranteed to be the weakest candidate the GOP could put forward.

    He was a self-serving, sanctimonious, showboating theocrat willing to flout the law so as to pontificate about his moral superiority. All indications were that Jones could beat Moore and only Moore.

    Naturally Steve Bannon wanted Moore to be the nominee. Luckily Bannon was fatally compromised after the Moore fiasco and failed to get any traction in subsequent elections.

  148. Wes says:

    If this keeps up Cory Gardner May have a relatively easy re-election:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/27/colorado-senate-primary-cory-gardner-1343613

  149. NYCmike says:

    jason,

    You up for a burger tonight? Robbie is on fire, so he should have the bbq going…….I’ll bring some Yuengling…..

  150. NYCmike says:

    And, just to clarify, Robbies DOES NOT WANT a Democrat in the White House on Jan 20, 2021.

  151. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    Good info on Orosco.

  152. NYCmike says:

    “creamed his pants”

    -Regular occurrence in the masseuses’ lair……??

  153. jason says:

    “You up for a burger tonight? Robbie is on fire, so he should have the bbq going…….I’ll bring some Yuengling…..”

    Wow, NYC, who used to tell me to go back where I came from is inviting me for burgers and Yuengling?

  154. jason says:

    Unfortunately, supporting Trump on everything but trade (so brave) has turned Jason fraud into a presidential deadender as well.”

    Presidential deadender? Hmmm.. sounds like I am better than the regular deadenders (sticks tongue out at the common deadenders).

    But, alas, Amoral Scumbag is lying again. I don’t support Trump on many other issues besides trade. Let’s see.

    – His comments on NATO are asinine. His failure to see we are the biggest beneficiary of the political and economic stability brought about by NATO is scary.

    – His attacks on fellow Rs (I use “fellow” loosely) are counterproductive and self defeating. It has cost him plenty and will continue to cost him (and us).

    – He has zero interest in smaller, limited government. I think he really believes that printing money solves the deficit.

    – His insistence on a physical wall is the type of all or nothing approach that gets you nothing. He should advocate for border security, of which a virtual wall is an integral part of the strategy.

    – His willingness to entertain trillions in Democrat inspired pork barrel projects is another example of why he doesn’t want smaller government.

    These are all major differences I have with Trump, so Amoral Scumbag can GFH.

    My list of areas where I do support Trump is longer but no need to go into that now.

    Finally, because I don’t support Trump on some issues doesn’t mean I want a socialist to be President.

    Amoral Scumbag wants a socialist as President because he sees that as “punishment” for Trump.

    A real moron.

  155. Barrett says:

    I haven’t had a chance to check in for some time. Hope all is well with everyone. I’ll jump right in.

    #156 – Spot on. I don’t agree with about 30-40% of what Trump does. For starters, his behavior (although the media deserves it). Secondly, his approach toward NATO.

    But this doesn’t mean I would vote for a socialist for president. If I only agree with President Trump 60-70% of the time, I would only agree with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders 1-5% of the time. This is a major factor for me when Election Day comes

  156. dblaikie says:

    It seems funny to me the faith people have that Trump’s popularity or non popularity is going to be the determinative factor and especially that his so-called unpopularity is locked in. Frankly, that is ludicrous! In this group no one wants to factor in the unpopularity of the dems. No one wants to factor in the power of the economy. No one wants to factor in the destructive foolishness of the dems programs. No one wants to factor in what is going to happen in the next in the next two years. No one wants to factor in the overreach of these silly dem lounge towards impeachment. No one wants to factor what will happen when the ig report comes out with criminal referrals. And I have not even covered what will happen if we reach a trade with China.

    The truth is that no one knows what will happen in two years today. But none of that matters, Trump is unpopular, even though he wasn’t on the ballot or that scores of GOP Congress persons decided not to run, the 2018 election was totally completely about him and it shows he has no chance.

    I say this with humor and respect for the person I am about to roast. He has demonstrated a keen mind, and writes articulate posts. Heck he knows more than most on this site. He has forgotten more than Wormtongue knows. But he suffers from a malady that I am going to name after him. Its main symptom is that no matter what happens Trump is unpopular now and there is no way he can win. The maledy is Wesitis.

  157. Tgca says:

    155. Jadon and NYC

    Ooooh! I’m free tonight guys. I’ll bring some Beyond Meat burgers and we can grill them and top them with blue cheese with a side of broccoli tater tots smothered in a buffalo sauce and washed down with iced herbal green tea and a blueberry frozen yogurt pop stick. Yummeeeee!

    Let me know what time is good.

  158. dblaikie says:

    Jason in 156 hits the nail on the head. Trump does all sorts of stupid things. But I think that any one of the over 20 dem candidates would deeply hurt this country! And finally with the things I agree with — Judicial picks, de regulation, freeing the energy sector from green tyranny and on and on — for me make up for the petty name calling and rude tweets that indeed are stupid and maddening.

  159. VictrC says:

    Barrett and Jason….spot on.

    I absolutely didn’t support Trump in the primaries, but glad he won over Hillary.

    He’s done everything he said he was going to do, which is rare for a politician. Overseas, even in the Middle East this is exactly what they say about hi,. Don’t buy into the meme thatnthey hate him abroad other than the eurofems.

    I don’t agree with the tariffs (though i do thin he’s seeing them as a negotiating ploy without realizing he could fail), same with most of what was said in 156 and 157.

    With that said he could definitely lose in 2020, and he could change that with a change of tone. But…I also think he does have a path to victory in the EC.

    Shoot me

  160. NYCmike says:

    I’ll join the chorus for #156 – Agreed on most issues.

    I do take issue with this complaint – ” He has zero interest in smaller, limited government. I think he really believes that printing money solves the deficit. ”

    While I do agree that Trump may believe printing more money is fine, I also believe that he does believe somewhat in limited government, and his regulation and rules-cutting is a small sign of that.

    On the other hand, his signing of terrible budgets has been bad……..in fact, JUST AS BAD as George Dubya Bush, whom jason would call a Republican.

  161. NYCmike says:

    “Wow, NYC, who used to tell me to go back where I came from is inviting me for burgers and Yuengling?”

    -Trying to get you drunk, then have you kidnapped and shipped back……

  162. jason says:

    Beto: ‘I Know I Was a Giant A**hole'”

    Huh, Beto, we are not taking in any more members.

    Besides, you would be blackballed in the first stage of our elaborate admission process.

  163. jason says:

    I would only agree with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders 1-5% of the time.”

    Dang, that much?

    Barrett must be a closet socialist….

    Ok, just kidding, I am glad Barrett is back.

  164. jason says:

    -Trying to get you drunk, then have you kidnapped and shipped back”

    HHR is a rough place.

    Maybe this post will convince my wife I need another gun.

    Nahhhhh…..

  165. jason says:

    Hey Bitter and Tgca, tornadoes heading your way.

    Bitter, I know you want to protect your family, but first make sure the A-Club art and valuables are secured first.

  166. Wes says:

    DB, if there were a tangible instance where an unpopular President survived because the out party was unpopular I would agree with you. Unfortunately it’s never happened.

    As for your point about the people who retired in the midterms your analysis is flawed. Dems captured only 10 open seats last year. They won 30–mostly in suburban districts Trump had carried or come close in in 2016–by ousting GOP incumbents.

    Exit polling also said voters were sending a message to Trump. This occurred previously in 2006, 2010, and 2014 when voters said antipathy toward the sitting President was a prime reason for their vote—with predictable results.

    If Trump had the ability to control himself and not overshadow all his accomplishments I’d readily say he was a favorite for reelection. Since he lacks any form of impulse control I can only call things as I see them.

  167. jason says:

    He has forgotten more than Wormtongue knows.”

    That is a low bar….

  168. Wes says:

    Ann Wagner agrees with me:

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article230750949.html

    All of this Rube-Goldberg thinking about how an unpopular Dem Party will save Trump reminds me of 2014 when Kay Hagan was running for re-election.

    Hagan was none too popular herself and tried to shift the focus to the NC General Assembly. Her hope was to take the focus off her and Obama’s unpopularity and use the Republicans in Raleigh as a foil to win re-election.

    It didn’t work because an unpopular President will always trump a legislative body. Hagan Lost because Obama Obama was never going to be less of a negative than the General Assembly.

    Likewise while right-leaning districts may reject Pelosi next year by tossing out her enablers in those seats Trump is unlikely to win re-election—unless he can get his popularity ratings up.

    How he can do that I don’t know, but that’s the only path to reelection for him. The Rube-Goldberg strategy of focusing on how unpopular the Dems are isn’t going to do it.

  169. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – The A-hole art collection is safe.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDzV3qycOqM

  170. dblaikie says:

    169 Very true.

  171. lisab says:

    maybe trump should get as much of the black vote as romney did …

    or mccain …

    oh wait …

  172. lisab says:

    French Senate Defies Macron, Says Notre Dame Should Be Rebuilt Exactly How It Was

  173. Tina says:

    And spying from the coup plotters dates back to 2012?

  174. Chicon says:

    I see Flyboy’s sabbatical didn’t change a thing. Back for more therapy.

  175. Bunch of mentally ill people accuse a poster that disagrees with them of being mentally-ill.

    This site has been such a sh*t show for 5 years now.

  176. Tgca says:

    167 Jadon

    I was at the Philly-Cardinal game. No tornadoes dared show their presence. Not sure if Bitter survived though.

    …and I could not find a vegan hot dog either. Argh!

  177. jason says:

    This site has been such a sh*t show for 5 years now.”

    You seem like the guy who complains about the taste of sh-t sandwiches and then orders another one.

  178. jason says:

    vegan hot dog…

    Nice oxymoron.

  179. Tgca says:

    181 GFY Jadon

    Who you calling a moron?

  180. jason says:

    This article makes a convincing case that there will be consequences to the partisan activities by people in government agencies against Trump.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/05/28/a_hard_rains_gonna_fall_on_obamas_bad_cops_and_spies_140429.html

  181. jason says:

    I am sure PeteWilson, Proud ObamaCON, Messy, and Amoral Scumbag are all interested in getting to the bottom of this.

    “Over the next few months, the public will finally see what kind of malfeasance there was. At least they will see some of it. Some will remain classified to protect sources and methods; some will be released only after criminal charges are filed. The initial evidence will come from two sources: a major report by DoJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz, and the steady declassification of underlying documents by AG Barr, who was given that task by the president. Barr needed that authority because the FBI and intelligence community are resisting disclosure with all their institutional power. They fear years of abuse will be exposed.

    Horowitz, a highly regarded career prosecutor, initially appointed by President Obama, will issue a public report and is virtually certain to make criminal referrals. The referrals will then be handled by John Durham, a skilled, apolitical U.S. attorney, who has successfully prosecuted major corruption cases for AGs in both parties. Apparently, he has already convened a grand jury. Another federal prosecutor, John Huber, has been working on related problems. Durham will coordinate, supervised by Barr.”

  182. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina- Why did never refer to HHR as the Kerry Report, W Report, Obama Report, Clinton Report, McCain Report, Obama Report 2.0, Romney Report, Clinton Report 2.0, Sanders Report, or Trump Report Since 2004? Dave has not changed his style since 2004 and those candidates lead poling at different times during that period. You only started complaining when Biden entered the race.

  183. Tina says:

    Media
    Likes
    Chuck Ross’s Tweets
    Chuck Ross Retweeted

    The Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    ·
    16m
    Gowdy: Swalwell Apologized For Being ‘A White Guy’ So He Could ‘Climb To 1% In The Polling’

  184. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina has no answer for my question?

  185. jason says:

    NYC to say Trump doesn’t believe in the primary system in 3, 2, 1…..

  186. jason says:

    181 GFY Jadon

    Who you calling a moron?”

    The vegan hotdog.

  187. Tina says:

    Sessions should commit to running for Senate in Alabama.

    Terrible Ag, but good Senator.

  188. jason says:

    Jason – The A-hole art collection is safe”

    I am thinking of donating MD’s bronze bust to this museum, but I am afraid they might melt it down to pay utility bills.

    http://museumofbadart.org/

  189. jason says:

    Yep, Sessions is a fine example of the Peter Principle.

  190. Tina says:

    The jebots new bff.

    Maxine Waters
    ?
    @RepMaxineWaters
    Low life Trump – lying, crooked, tax evader, porn star fornicator – should take his ridiculous self home, resign, and free us of what we will have to do to impeach him and throw him out of office!

    63.8K
    4:59 PM – May 28, 2019

  191. jason says:

    I am still basking in the glory of being called a “Presidential Deadender” by Amoral Scumbag yesterday.

  192. jason says:

    Anyone else watching the Hot Zone series on Ebola on National Geographic Channel?

    I know Walt is watching, there are monkeys in it.

  193. jason says:

    , and free us of what we will have to do to impeach him and throw him out of office!

    Hey, you lazy b…, what are we paying you for?

    Geezus, no wonder the country is going to hell in a barrel, everyone wants everything handed to them on a silver platter.

  194. Tina says:

    Time for the house to censure Justine Asquish.

    Clearly lied and is a Russian hoaxer.

  195. Tina says:

    China losing business:

    Sharp pulls panel manufacturing out of China.

    Stanley Tools returns to the Us. Will set up factory in Texas, per https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanley-to-make-more-craftsman-tools-in-u-s-11557919800?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/ATjQZ74jbs

  196. dblaikie says:

    Should be interesting, Robert Mueller is going to give a statement at 11 am.

  197. jason says:

    Zzzzzzzz…

    Consumers will pay a lot more for tools, and as a result fewer of them will be sold. Fewer people will be employed transporting and selling them and tax revenues for will drop for them.

    There is no free lunch.

  198. lisab says:

    mueller will throw trump under the bus

    impeachment will commence immediately!

    weld will be the new gop candidate,

    his slogan?

    weld 2020!
    (two drink minimum)

  199. Tina says:

    Mulehead to speak in an hour.

    Will he go Fuhrer or will he go white hat?

  200. Tina says:

    Maybe Mulehead will be tasked with investigating the Iranian interference in the 2018 midterms? This helped the drats.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-iran-socialmedia/fake-social-media-accounts-spread-pro-iran-anti-trump-messages-during-2018-election-fireeye-idUKKCN1SY26K

  201. Phil says:

    Lord. More Mueller?

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    It never ends does it.

  202. mnw says:

    RAS 47/52 & -8 on Wed.

    I saw an interesting poll from Gallup that Trump’s rating for “being Presidential” has risen noticeably. I wish he would work with that. The foreign visits (Japan, UK) probably help.

  203. Tina says:

    He had a very successful trip to Japan on all levels.

  204. jason says:

    Mueller should say everything I have to say is in the report.

  205. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag hardest hit…

    “More Americans believe that President Trump has the personality and leadership qualities to be president than two years ago, and he topped former President Barack Obama’s rating for working on issues most important to them, according to a new survey.

    Gallup found that 47% agree with Trump on the issues, edging Obama at the two year mark of his presidency. In April 2007, 45% agreed with Obama on issues, said Gallup.

    And Trump was graded more in line with the political ideology of Americans than Obama and former President George W. Bush. Asked about Trump’s ideology, 38% said it was “about right.” Some 35% said the same thing about Obama, and 36% for Bush.”

  206. jason says:

    Personally, I agree much more with GWB on ideology than I do with Trump, but it is an interesting finding.

  207. Tina says:

    Doj cleared his remarks (aka Barr)

    He cannot freelance.

    He probably wants out at this point.

  208. jason says:

    I think he will just say how he is willing to testify and what scope. But he doesn’t need all the hoopla to do that.

    We will know soon enough.

  209. mnw says:

    211

    U r citing the poll I referenced in post 208, btw.

    Trump probably gets a light tailwind from minimal U.S. troop involvement in foreign wars since his election, I suspect.

    If & when the trade dispute with China is settled (more likely on the rumor of it), I expect the Dow to gain 1000-1500 points. I DID say “if.” A lot of fund managers missed the big runup & are eager to catch up.

  210. Tina says:

    It’s ovah.

    The Gestapo ends,

  211. jason says:

    The trade war with China will not be “settled”, you can’t resuscitate the casualties.

    At best there will be some kind of stalemate where both sides can claim “victory”.

    In any event, the Chinese already called Trump’s bluff, showing Trump’s hand was a lot weaker than he thought. But it’s a hand Trump doesn’t mind “losing” because if losing means protectionism and isolationism wins and free trade loses, he is all for that.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    The Gestapo ended in 1945. Stupid analogies fon’t get Better with age.

  213. Tina says:

    Is Amush an attorney?

    Jack Posobiec ??
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    9m
    Can’t wait to see the Justin Amash tweet that Mueller is covering up for Trump!

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t

  215. Tina says:

    Mulehead looked terrible.

    Years and years of corruption and incompetence,

    Scared thst he would be asked about selling Russians Uranium perhaps.

    Failure on 911

    Failure with the Boston marathon bombings

  216. dblaikie says:

    The one thing I took from Mueller is that there is zero chance of his testifying before anyone. Too many questions that would rip his mask of impartiality right off. This is the last we will hear from Robert Mueller!

  217. jason says:

    So Mueller said nothing new. Nada. Zilch.

    He said what I said he should say, the report speaks for itself.

    That won’t stop the moonbats however.

  218. Tina says:

    He cannot testify. He is stuck.

    The House Rs will not do like the corrupt,Rs in the SSIC and give him a free pass.

  219. Tina says:

    Victory lapsed now its investigate the investigators.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    8m
    Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.

  220. janz says:

    Mueller did his job. He adequately muddied the water around Trump to make not only his first 2 years miserable, but also the last year and half of his 1st term.

    The immediate media remarks, following Mueller’s stoic statement, was that he opened the door sufficiently enough for the dems to continue with their impeachment fever.

    It will be important what follows next, which will be a statement from the WH. Hopefully, it will be worded in such a way as to not inflame, but rather succinctly recognize what was said, repeat that the investigation is over, and then move on from it (even though the dems will not).

  221. janz says:

    As an aside, it was earlier reported that Senator Warner has advised intelligence officials not to cooperate with AG Barr’s requests for docs, and that the dems will offer protection following said refusals.

    It truly amazes me how much hubris and outright corruption the dems can get away with!

  222. Tina says:

    Warner runs the SSIC.

    Most corrupt committee in congress.

  223. janz says:

    Another good take here.Larry Schweikart added,
    James Stroehlein

    @JamesStroehlein
    Replying to @LarrySchweikart
    While Trump could not be charged, if anyone conspired with him to obstruct justice, they could have and would have been charged. No one was therefore no obstruction took place.
    8:22 AM – 29 May 2019

  224. Phil says:

    Impeachment will be more likely to happen now. Democrats will be desperate to seize on Mueller’s comments that he didn’t recommend indictment because he’s not allowed to indict.

    Actually, this is good. There is no appetite outside of the Democratic base for congress to drag this out further. It’s a political mistake for Democrats to go forward with impeachment so therefore I’m all for it. Let the loons march off the cliff with this. Have at it guys.

  225. janz says:

    Phil a lot of pundits agree with your positive take on impeachment. However, I personally have no appetite for it, as it’s such a waste of time and nothing but draining drama.

  226. Messy says:

    “There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed!”

    Wrong. The President immune from prosecution while in office, and as Meuller said: ‘If we had had confidence that’ President Trump ‘clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so’

    He said that the only way to be proceed was via impeachment. He will be impeached.

  227. Messy says:

    The House has no choice now. Meuller has called for impeachment.

  228. NYCmike says:

    Messy,

    Do you walk in between rain drops as well as you read between the sentences Mueller was reading?

  229. jason says:

    Meuller has called for impeachment.”

    LOL

    Has the fake dossier been “verified” yet?

    I am sure Messy is excited about the real investigations to come.

  230. janz says:

    Messy’s ridiculous reasoning is exactly what the vindictive dems are going to use as fodder to press ahead with impeachment.

  231. Victrc says:

    If I want to punch someone in the face, say I’m gonna punch someone in the face, but my friends stop me from punching someone in the face, therefore I never punched him in the face, in fact I let them walk away, then I am not guilty of punching someone in the face just because I wanted to.

    Time to Move on. This farce is is done.

    Jeez. Let the man do his job without this constant harassment goingnon and let’s see if he is fit for it or not. The American people will be the judge in 18 months

  232. hugh says:

    Mueller again dirties the water just enough. Richard Burr needs to reign in Warner and the republicans and Barr needs to change the focus from Trump to the conspirators. Also, let us pray for impeachment, it will be a slaughter for house dems in 2020. If the economy hangs in there it will be an across the board beat down with impeachment.

  233. Messy says:

    235. yes. What part of what Mueller said: “Under longstanding department policy, a president can not be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider…The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.” Don’t you understand?

  234. janz says:

    Mueller’s Miasma.

    “In substance the statement doesn’t go beyond his report, but it is clear that he was determined to raise a cloud of dust behind him as he exited stage left and handed off to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. “  

    Exactly!  Mueller has turned out to be a partisan coward!

  235. Messy says:

    238. Burr cannot, and he knows that there are no “conspirators” They know about Russian interference, which you seem to believe is fictional.

    Also, remember what Meuller just said: “If we had any evidence that the President DID NOT commit a crime, we would have said so” This to me is the key statement. NYC Mike seems not to understand this.

  236. Tina says:

    It’s ovah

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.

  237. hugh says:

    we will see about the conspirators. We already know about McCabe lying and hence fired. Much more will come out. It will be very bad. As to if he had evidence that he did not commit a crime he would have said so. Is this Russia? we do not convict on proof of innocence but proof of guilt. Mueller is a hack. I wish he had to testify, because it would be clear for all to see. The dems do not want him to testify in public because they know it. They are all for show. He assembles a bunch of trump hating attorneys and comes up empty handed.

  238. Messy says:

    There are no conspirators. You cannot indict a sitting president as he’s the only one listed in the constitution with executive power. Impeachment is vested in the House. A trial is in the senate.

  239. janz says:

    #239 As explained by Andy McCarthy. Mueller’s only job was to collect evidence, hand it over to his boss, which in this case was AG Barr, who would then decide what to do with it.

    The 400 plus page report submitted by him (and allegedly written by his lead attorney) was completely unnecessary, including the sidebar gossiping about Trump’s venal reactions to this investigation. All Mueller was supposed to do was conduct a non-partisan investigation, using those findings to arrive at a yes or no as to what the evidence supported collusion/obstruction charges. And,  while his “collusion” call was rendered appropriately –albeit, there are many who say Mueller knew a long time ago that this was a false flag accusation — the obstruction charge showed a complete disservice to what he was tasked to do.

    Furthermore, Mueller inserting the line “that no sitting president could be indicted,” was irrelevant in his public statement today, as Barr and Rosenstein’s legal decision was stipulated to have been made without any consideration of a safe haven for a sitting president.  It was purely the lack of evidence, as well as legally disagreeing with the 10 scenarios Mueller provided as “possible acts of obstruction, which produced their “no obstruction” stance.

  240. Tina says:

    Mulehead could still have charged him with obstruction,

    He did not,

    It is over.

  241. Tina says:

    “I’m not really sure of his reasoning,” Barr said of Mueller’s obstruction analysis, which neither accused the president of a crime nor exonerated him. If Mueller felt that shouldn’t make a decision on whether to bring charges, Barr added, “then he shouldn’t have investigated. That was the time to pull up.”

  242. NYCmike says:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-bronny-instagram-followers-draymond-green-041030248.html

    -If Democrats get their wishes, they will extend voting rights to “men” like this in the near future……if my child ever spoke like this, even in private, he would get his arse kicked and his mouth washed out with soap.

    I really don’t get parents that let their kids go on sites like Instagram and the like.

  243. Tina says:

    Robert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    Mueller admitted today he had no legal authority to accuse Trump of any crime, that it would be unfair to do so, but his team couldn’t clear Trump of a crime they could neither indict nor investigate. Cut through the legalese & you get 1 conclusion: it was a smear job from day 1.

    387
    10:05 AM – May 29, 2019

  244. Tina says:

    I am sure Barr and Mulehead were friends, and maybe still are.

    However, it is clear that Mulehead could not go,d his own against Barr.

  245. Tina says:

    Corrupt lawyers.

    Robert Barnes
    @Barnes_Law
    ·
    10m
    “We would have cleared him if we thought he didn’t do anything wrong, but we actually never looked at whether he did anything wrong.” #Mueller is why people hate lawyers.

  246. Tina says:

    Jim Acosta seeking attention?

    Brian Doherty
    @BDOH
    · 51m
    The Secret Svc reports a man lit himself on fire outside the White House today.

  247. lisab says:

    does anyone have

    evidence

    that messy is not a pedophile?

  248. lisab says:

    only clear evidence please

  249. Phil says:

    I have seem no such evidence, Lisa. If there was any I would say so, therefore she can’t be cleared.

  250. lisab says:

    impeachment dooms biden

    he cannot support it, he cannot not support it

    all the others will support it, especially so if biden does not

    the leftists want biden off the ticket, this would get him off

    the question is, can pelosi stop it?

  251. lisab says:

    phil,

    if you don’t have clear evidence messy is not a pedophile

    then messy should be in prison

    qed

  252. Phil says:

    Lisa, absolutely. Lock her up.

  253. lisab says:

    it kills me that these people actually think they are liberals …

    prosecutor: the defendant failed to show the state clear evidence that he did not commit a crime, therefore we arrested him and now want to throw him in prison. this is democracy!

    judge lisab: that is not how this works. that is not how any of this works

  254. Tina says:

    Cccp sanders storms back into the lead over China Biden.

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers
    · 29m
    Breaking 2020 National Dem Poll:

    Sanders 28%
    Biden 27
    Warren 9
    Harris 5
    Buttigieg 5
    Booker 4
    O’Rourke 2

    @YouGov Poll
    (link: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/05/29/elizabeth-warren-democratic-front-runner) today.yougov.com/topics/politic…

  255. Tina says:

    Cristina Laila
    @cristinalaila1
    Mueller extended “innocent until proven guilty” to the Russian GRU officials he indicted, but then he flipped our justice system upside down for President Trump and said he could not clear Trump of a crime…and this guy is revered as an ethical prosecutor??

  256. jason says:

    Mueller could have said I think a crime was committed but I could not indict.

    But he didn’t say that. He said he could not state that a crime was committed or exonerate him.

    At the end of the day, the bottom line is that prosecutors are not in the “clearing people” business.

  257. gameboy says:

    #261 It’s laughable that the “know it alls” on this website fear Biden. Trump prays he will get to square off against Creepy Joe…..will be easy pickings for Trump. Just watch tapes/highlights of his recent talks and speeches and that will show you all you need to know. The guy slurs and studders more than Nancy Pelosi for crying out loud. In my mind the only one who would give Trump a run for his money is mayor Pete.

  258. Wes says:

    If Trump’s so gung ho to face Biden, Gameboy, then why does Trump’s own polling say Biden is beating him by healthy margins in several key states?

    Fanboyism tends to lead to unrealistic assessments of situations.

  259. gameboy says:

    #265….You have access to Trump’s own polling?? Doesn’t really matter. Biden will crap out in the primaries. Still a long way to go, but things seem to be setting up for Pete the mayor.

  260. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    I do not believe that you have commented on the NC CD-09 Poll in above #108. Please do when you have a moment. Thanks.

  261. NYCmike says:

    “If Trump’s so gung ho to face Biden, Gameboy, then why does Trump’s own polling say Biden is beating him by healthy margins in several key states?”

    -“Trump’s own polling”?

    Where do you get this cr*p?

    “Trump’s own polling” made him campaign over and over in PA, WI, MI, even MN, yet you still picked him to lose in 2016…….now you are going to make a comment about “Trump’s own polling”?

    You have NO CLUE what his internal polls are saying.

  262. Wes says:

    I personally don’t, nor did I claim I do. A Politico story I linked to recently and am now trying to find again mentions Trump trails Biden in the President’s internal polling though.

    Keep living in Fantasy Land though, Gameboy.

  263. Wes says:

    Truth and Mikey are certainly not bedmates.

  264. Wes says:

    Oddly enough, Mikey, I can source my claims:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2019/05/21/trump-campaign-brad-parscale-polling

    Can you source your lies that I have no clue what Trump’s internals are saying or that NOT ONE Hedgehogger has ever claimed Trump is a lock to win re-election?

  265. Wes says:

    So let’s see about Mikey:

    1) He’s enthusiastic about war so long as his own cowardly ass isn’t in a hot zone.

    2) He outright claims no poster on HHR has ever claimed Trump is guaranteed to win re-election despite posts by multiple posters claiming exactly that.

    3) He claims I have no idea what Trump’s internal polling says when a quick Google search says exactly what I said.

    You should take the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame, Mikey.

  266. Wes says:

    It’s in line with what I’m seeing on the ground and would expect, Sheep.

    McCready made it close because Harris was not the best fit for the district. Now with Harris gone and a more mainstream Republican taking his place, McCready is having a hard time gaining traction in a GOP-friendly seat.

    I expect Bishop to win by ~4. As for how Tink will vote I don’t know. She hates Trump and isn’t too happy Harris’ antics got her subpoenaed. She doesn’t seem too thrilled with McCready though. I will be voting for Bishop.

  267. Tina says:

    Guilty before innocent

    This is Gestapo 2.0

  268. Tina says:

    Every coup needs a coup leader.

    Steph
    @steph93065
    ·
    3h
    Dershowitz: “Until today, I never thought that Mueller had a partisan bias. Today I’ve changed my mind on that decision”
    @AlanDersh

  269. DW says:

    So Mueller says he’s not confident Trump did not commit a crime.

    what a joke. what a clown Mueller is.

  270. DW says:

    Its almost as silly as the classic, “I can’t say its true and I won’t say its not, but there’s been talk”

  271. GF says:

    278- He needs to make up his damned mind; either POTUS did not commit a crime, and therefore impeachment is not called for, or he merely did not find sufficient evidence of such, and therefore cannot issue an indictment (leaving open the possibility that a higher authority such as the Congress instead hold POTUS accountable). Those are two very different statements, to which even Messy could attest, and only one of them gives Dems the green light to forge ahead down the suicidal path of impeachment.

  272. Wes says:

    Well, I’m not confident I won’t win the lottery someday. That doesn’t mean I will.

    That’s a foolish statement Mueller made. He should stop this witch-hunt now.

  273. NYCmike says:

    Lied? You are weak.

    Your source is Politico.

    How did they do in 2016?

    Did they tell us about Trump’s internal polling then?

    Stop your b*llsh*t already.

    Trump isn’t guaranteed to win, nor is he guaranteed to lose next year. The election will hinge, as it did last time, on how the voters feel about the other candidate running, and that candidate hasn’t been picked yet.

  274. NYCmike says:

    “1) He’s enthusiastic about war so long as his own cowardly ass isn’t in a hot zone.”

    -You really are a piece of work.

    Should I tell people I am unstable mentally and the military rejected me, and then I will be allowed to opine on military action again, in your eyes?

  275. Wes says:

    I seem to have hit a nerve with Mikey the Cowardly Liar. He’s become unhinged now that I’ve called him out on his lies and cowardice.

  276. jason says:

    The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.” Don’t you understand?”

    I understand that the report doesn’t make any determination of wrongdoing by the President.

    Unless Congress has new evidence of some kind, they will have to fabricate some “wrongdoing”.

    Go for it.

  277. janz says:

    Did Mueller’s Statement Make Trade Deal Less Likely?

    Anything that appears to make Trump’s reelection less likely is likely to stiffen China’a resolve to stand firm until the elections, in hopes Trump is defeated and an “easier” president is put into the WH.

    Please tell me what “good” the democrats ever do?

  278. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    You didn’t hit a nerve, you simply are a loon.

    Go take your meds.

    And then tell us all about the campaigns internal polling again, as if anyone really knows.

    As a bonus, tell us about the internal polling that Dewey had in 1948.

  279. lisab says:

    i don’t recall anyone guaranteeing trump will win

    i do recall many saying he was guaranteed to lose in 2016

    and a few who are pretty much saying that about 2020 — although maybe leaving themselves a tiny out by saying things like, “unless something changes”

    well, of course things will change.

    i think it is a true statement that trump has a GREATER chance winning now than he had in 2016

    for one, he is almost the assured gop nominee, which he was not in 2016

    for another, hillary had a pretty clear run at the white house, sanders did not try to upend hillary’s run at the white house, which he could have when it was clear the dnc was unfair to him — sanders was a pretty good sport

    third, biden (assuming he is the most dangerous nominee), is NOT guaranteed the nomination. he is far less likely to get the nomination than trump is. also, if biden is the nominee, the more left dems ** MIGHT ** revolt, it is not a huge chance, but it is possible. lots of bernie supporters are saying bernie or bust and that it is better to lose than let the moderates run the dem party.

    fourth, trump will have more money than before. he did not control the rnc before, and now he has a lot more influence

    finally, trump is the incumbent. he has the ability to change the narrative at any point. if he loses a debate, he can go fly off to the uk for trade talks

    so, while he may be an underdog against biden, he has a much better chance than he had in May 2015 against hillary

    i would say he has a 51-49% shot at this point. i give trump a tiny edge.

    that will change as the dem side firms up, but we do not even know biden will be the challenger, it could be booker for all we know

  280. Tina says:

    Does this loon have evidence? Btw, this “Republican” gets significant contributions from CAIR.

    Justin Amash
    @justinamash
    · May 28
    Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of Mueller’s report and decisions in the investigation, which has helped further the president’s false narrative about the investigation.
    Show this thread

  281. janz says:

    Jason, according to pretty reliable sources, all the FISA warrants were obtained illegally. The investigation was turned into a counter intelligence one by setting up circumstances abroad (fabricating), ensnaring low level Trump people in order to give an excuse for a wider ranging counter intelligence probe. There were all kinds of emails implicating high-up intelligence officials, even talking about reporting to POTUS (that would be Obama), and yet all this documented evidence gets no traction, and seems to be of no interest to the MSM.

    Also, I watched a Judicial Watch panel alluding to continuing corruption in intelligence agencies, hindering the capacity of AG Barr to acquire the docs, even though ordered by the current POTUS. Somehow, I’m beginning to think the slime in all the agencies being tasked to come clean — the DOJ, FBI, CIA, State Dept etc. — is just too much to overcome, and nothing will happen.

    Just this latest story alone suggests the futility of exposing the truth and bringing accountability to those who participated in this sordid travesty. 

  282. lisab says:

    Anything that appears to make Trump’s reelection less likely is likely to stiffen China’a resolve to stand firm until the elections, in hopes Trump is defeated and an “easier” president is put into the WH.
    ——————————————

    yes and no

    the chinese are LOSING business, and for the long term.

    companies have for a long time now been unhappy with china — for a lot of reasons.

    the longer this goes on, the more vietnam and others become preferred partners.

    no company at this point would be looking forward to move their production to china. they are moving production to other countries from china.

    and once you move a factory to vietnam, you are not going to go back to china.

    i think it was the nike ceo who said,

    “it used to be china and others — and now it is china, vietnam and others”

    and the longer this goes, the more china loses.

  283. Hugh says:

    290. I hope you’re wrong but like you I swing back and forth between justice will prevail and maybe the headwinds of entrenched bureaucrats and corrupt media and judges is too much to overcome. In my work I witness first hand the corruption of regulators and judges. Unaccountable to anyone it seems overwhelming.

  284. janz says:

    You made lots of logical points, Lisab.

    I agree that Trump now has a record to run on, and probably few (if any) primary challengers to compete with. He does have a better network of funding etc., but then that did HRC little good in the end. What everyone continues to say about Trump is how his abrasive style is poisoning his chances. I think this is true. However, I then try to see Trump as smoothing out his mannerisms. Would this actually help his appeal, or would it make him a more vulnerable target that the dems could hammer more effectively?

  285. Wes says:

    Tina, Amash is a fringe Ronulan loon. The Paulbots are a cancer on the party who destroy all they touch. I hope the MIGOP gets behind a candidate who can oust Amash in the primary.

  286. janz says:

    Hugh, why is it that bad people seem to so often have the winning hand?

  287. janz says:

    There is a candidate already on board in MI to challenge Amash. However, it seems that Amash is starting to be seen as a “conservative rebel,” daring to go against all that is repugnant in the republican party. In fact, he got a standing ovation, the other night, at a sizable MI townhall.

  288. GF says:

    296- Largely Dem audience, janz; actual Republicans there were heckled and booed.

  289. janz says:

    That was good to hear, GF. Thanks!

  290. Wes says:

    Jane, incumbents aren’t always more assured of victory as such than when they were simply candidates.

    Ben Harrison, William Howard Taft, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, and George H. W. Bush all went into their re-election bids as incumbents. None of them survived because the country did not perceive them as worthy to reelect.

    Trump won’t have the advantage this time of an entitled pseudo incumbent who assumes victory before the votes are counted. That was Hillary’s fatal mistake. She let Trump undercut her by pouring resources into places friendly to Trump while failing to shore up places she logically should have locked down early in the cycle.

    Granted, I was wrong in thinking Hillary would win, but I understood her personal flaws as a candidate would make the race close.

    Trump outworked Hillary and earned a victory she could have had by campaigning as adroitly as he did.

    This time though Trump is an unpopular incumbent who would be in a far better position for reelection if he would quit getting in his own way. Dems outorganized Trump sympathizers and turned out in presidential numbers to reject him last year. There’s no reason to think they won’t keep the lessons of 2016 and 2018 in mind next year.

    Unfortunately there is every reason to believe Trump will stay mired in the danger zone for incumbents through November 2020. If he could reinvent himself as the capable steward of the economy who doesn’t fly off in infantile Twitter rants and routinely give people reasons to reject him I would say the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying since his grossly ill-considered midterm postmortem press conference.

    Since he has shown neither the inclination nor the ability to do that without giving fodder to his political opponents I’m perfectly comfortable with predicting with certainty his upcoming defeat.

  291. Messy says:

    wait for it…

  292. Wes says:

    Cute, Mikey.

    When I post something you don’t like you question the source.

    Why not instead of engaging in self-serving handwavium to try dismiss what I posted find evidence I am wrong?

    Otherwise your argument is a variant of the statements of all floundering campaigns:

    I don’t believe the polls!

  293. Wes says:

    Ah, Messy the Moron has arrived.

    When exactly did Brenda Snipes register as a Republican again, Messy?

  294. Phil says:

    Love and respect you, Wes. You do know your sh*t when it comes to campaigns. I actually believe Biden would beat Trump…..but I wouldn’t put money on a Warren or Booker type in the general.

  295. Messy says:

    258. not funny bitch.

  296. Messy says:

    302 Ask Tina. Glad you missed me.

  297. Wes says:

    Oh, I agree, Phil.

    That’s why I’ve said Dems will go all in on Biden:

    Warren and Booker represent the fringe of the party that gave Trump his opening. Biden represents the wing of the party that appeals directly to the kinds of voters Trump can’t afford to lose. It just makes sense to go with someone who’s going to try to talk to these voters and gain their votes rather than someone who is likely to scare them away.

  298. Wes says:

    Why can’t I ask you, Messy? You made the claim. Tina never has.

  299. Tina says:

    Gestapo 2.0

    Hillary does crimes with her server, but she had no intent. No prosecution.

    Trump did no crimes, but he “intended” to commit crimes. Prosecute.

  300. Tina says:

    The joint statement from DOJ and Special Counsel affirms there is ‘no conflict’ between the the offices on the question of obstruction

  301. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7083457/Man-sets-fire-seen-engulfed-flames-near-White-House.html

    You don’t usually see people setting themselves on fire. That is dedication.

  302. NYCmike says:

    If that was a NYC rat, it would have grabbed the mic and started giving its own play-by-play!

  303. NYCmike says:

    BLUEZZZZZ win in OT!

    mnw may try to find that rat and make it a good luck charm!

  304. lisab says:

    Messy says:
    May 29, 2019 at 7:35 pm
    258. not funny bitch.
    ——————————————

    sooooooooooooo … you are saying people should have evidence you are guilty

    NOT

    that you should have to provide clear evidence that you are innocent?
    —————————————

    anything that can be done by the government to a billionaire president

    can be done much more easily to a regular citizen — including you — by a wide variety of much lower level government employees

    that is why we have the assumption of innocence

  305. lisab says:

    although …

    messy still has not provided clear evidence that he is not a pedophile

  306. lisab says:

    David Horowitz

    Quote of the day capturing the Democrats’ position on obstruction: “While we recognize that the man did not actually steal any horses, he is obviously guilty of trying to resist being hanged for it.”

  307. Tina says:

    Comedy 2.0. Remember from 2016? Inappropriate for a fib director to overstep his bounds,

    POLITICO
    ?
    @politico
    Analysis: Mueller’s departing act was a public statement meant to influence the public debate in a manner inappropriate for a prosecutorhttps://politi.co/2EC3aoT

    1,862
    5:42 PM – May 29, 2019

  308. Tina says:

    F. Mueller’s disastrous press conference must not have polled well for the Drats because now they are talking about is muh tarps over muh ship.

  309. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Bob Mueller has twice intervened without cause and without being asked after his investigation was over.
    Yesterday’s travesty, where Mueller became a cheerleader for impeachment, reinforced my thinking that the whole investigation was a “witch hunt”.
    You gotta love the new standard of jurisprudence that the “presumption of innocence” is now the “presumption of guilt”.
    As I said immediately after the release of the Mueller findings, the primary reason Mueller does not want to testify to Congress, other than being a “cowardly lion” , is the brutal questioning he would receive from the Republicans. As an example, when did you conclude that the Russia Collusion issue was off the table?”. If he answered “prior to the Spring 2018”, he could be accused of interfering in the 2018 midterm elections by withholding salient information from the public.

    Here is a video of Democrat Alan Dershowitz’ take and his epiphany regarding Mueller’s motive( that,indeed, he was a Democrat partisan hack):

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/dershowitz_mueller_statement_revealed_he_has_motive_to_help_the_democrats.html

  310. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mnw and ChiCon:
    Great OT win for the Blues last night in Boston. They now need to win the next two at home and Lord Stanley will stir.

  311. jason says:

    “While we recognize that the man did not actually steal any horses, he is obviously guilty of trying to resist being hanged for it.”

    Perfect.

  312. jason says:

    At least we seem to have gotten rid of Mo Brooks.

    I don’t think Moore will win the primary this time around, at least not the run-off, but you can never underestimate the ability of the deadender’s to elect liberal Democrats.

  313. janz says:

    Love the David Horowitz quote Lisa’s posted earlier. It really showcases Mueller’s “intent” was not about achieving justice but was simply a roundabout way to impeach the president.

  314. Phil says:

    Yeah, Roy Moore would be Schumer’s dream candidate. Would he win a runoff in the primary? Highly doubtful. He’d have his hard core supporters but would lose conservatives who remember well what a disaster he was in the GE and have now had to endure Senator Jone’s Senate votes for two years.

    Still, I just wish he’d go away. He is indeed delusional.

  315. mnw says:

    RAS 48/52 & -4 today.

    Eat DEATH Broons! Play “Gloria”!

  316. janz says:

    The Roy Moore’s of the Republican Party seem to be a repeat pattern, without any learning curve applied when they lose. This is probably why the R party is often viewed as internally weak, fragmented and wobbly on pushing a united policy.

  317. jason says:

    Liz Shields:

    “Here’s the real story with Mueller’s press conference: Mueller doesn’t want to be called by Nadler to testify before the House Judiciary because he doesn’t want to answer tough questions under oath. Nadler doesn’t want to call Mueller because he doesn’t want Mueller answering questions that undermine the Democrat’s plan to keep a cloud of suspicion floating over Trump until 2020.”

  318. jason says:

    So by saying there is no conflict between him and Barr on obstruction Mueller is essentially backtracking and admitting his decision not to bring charges was not just because “you can’t indict a sitting President” but because of what we already know, he had no evidence.

  319. Wes says:

    Janz, Retread Roy has never admitted Doug Jones beat him in 2017. He can’t because he’s deluded himself into thinking he’s the focal point of a crusade. He probably actually believes he won a year and a half ago. He also probably believes God has chosen him for the Senate.

    As such, he can only run again. Reality has no place in his thought process. He’s convinced himself he’s God’s chosen one for this seat, logic and reality be damned.

  320. jason says:

    NYC to say you can’t go against the will of God in 3, 2, 1…..

  321. jason says:

    The Roy Moore’s of the Republican Party seem to be a repeat pattern, without any learning curve applied when they lose.”

    I don’t agree. I think the deadenders believe they are highly successful in their objective, which is to send a message.

    You wrongly assume they want to win elections. That is not their agenda.

    We should admit they are more successful in sending messages than we are in winning elections.

  322. Wes says:

    Todd Akin suffered from the same lunacy as Roy Moore. That’s why Akin refused to exit the race long after his looming defeat was obvious to everyone outside his inner circle.

  323. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    RIP, former Senator Thad Cochran(R-MS)

  324. Hugh says:

    Janz. My experience is that it’s not about the people so much as the structure of institutions media and laws which can corrupt very nice people. Bureaucrats and regulators become very deaf to opposing opinions because they are unaccountable and surrounded by like minded people. Imagine being a conservative and working for the dol. it’s not possible they are well meaning but corrupt to the core. They see themselves as the good guy while threatening people who can’t defend themselves to get money settlements through legal extortion and they feel no remorse because their institutions rewards them for it and reinforces how virtuous they are. If they do something wrong there is never a consequence. It’s part of why I’m retiring I’m sick of dealing with the legal environment and various regulatory bodies.

  325. jason says:

    It was obvious to Akin and his inner circle too.

    But again, winning was not the agenda, Akin preferred to send a message rather than keep the seat R.

    Deadenders are not lunatics. Far from it.
    Look at Chris Kobach. Ask him or mnw if they are sorry they managed to throw away the KS governor’s race to a moonbat. Never. They are happy they denied the seat to the R that would have won it by at least 20 points.

  326. NYCmike says:

    ” They now need to win the next two at home and Lord Stanley will stir.”

    -The word “Sta—y” and or “C-P” should NOT be mentioned by any hockey fan looking to win it!

    Don’t do that again, Sheeple!

  327. Wes says:

    I don’t think Akin realized he would lose, Jason. He was convinced God had his back in his crusade to defeat McCaskill. He seemed to live in an alternate universe where he actually had a chance to win.

    Listen to his interview with Sean Hannity where Hannity tried to convince him to quit the race. Akin twisted every one of Hannity’s points into an argument for how Akin could win.

    He wasn’t trying to lose. He was just delusional enough to think he would win because to his mind his victory was God’s will. That’s typical of the theocratic Deadenders.

    The other Deadenders—the Christine O’Donnells and Corey Stewarts—are shallow self-seekers not intending to win but using runs for office as a gateway to high-paying media jobs.

  328. lisab says:

    An American University professor who has correctly predicted the last nine presidential elections says President Trump will win the 2020 election unless congressional Democrats, “grow a spine,” CNN reported.

    Allan Lichtman, a political historian, said Democrats only have a shot at the White House if they begin impeachment proceedings against Trump, calling the decision both “constitutionally” and “politically” right in the wake of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

  329. lisab says:

    Bernie backers see DNC-media sabotage in Biden surge: ‘It’s the same thing all over again’

  330. jason says:

    My moonbat persona is very troubled by the mistreatment of Bernie.

    I am urging everyone to skip the election if he is not nominated, enough is enough.

  331. jason says:

    wes, nobody is going to go on Hannity and say “yeah, I think I am going to lose”.

    I don’t think Akin was intentionally trying to lose, but I do think he didn’t quit because his agenda was not to protect the R seat, it was to send a message.

    I am not convinced he thought God was going to ensure his win, but who knows, maybe he did think that.

  332. jason says:

    wes distinguishes between “theocratic Deadenders” and “shallow self seeker deadenders”.

    Normally I would say a deadender is a deadender, but now that Amoral Scumbag has called me a “Presidential deadender” I am more tuned in to these nuances.

  333. DW says:

    jason, I recall the tragic Akin campaign well. He did claim that God would deliver him the victory. The guy was a nut. He was part of the quasi-Christian movement that believes God is still speaking audibly to individuals, and so someone can claim a promise supposedly given by God and so they won’t change course. There have been some who have died of diabetes because they would not take medicine because they believed God had healed them. To take the medicine would be to ‘lose faith’ and thereby lose the ‘healing.’ So had Akin quit, in his own pea-brain mind, he would have been giving up on God who had promised the victory.

  334. NYCmike says:

    I wonder what would have happened if the MO Republican Party had used the Mike-Lee-Fascist-method for being chosen…….

  335. NYCmike says:

    “Listen to his interview with Sean Hannity where Hannity tried to convince him to quit the race.”

    -Does this make Hannity a “non-send-a-message-deadender”?

  336. Wes says:

    Roy Moore comes from that same school of thought, DW. That’s why Moore still hasn’t conceded the 2017 special and is planning to run again.

    Like the hapless Akin before him, Moore has convinced himself God wants him in this office. He would be surrendering his faith in his distorted version of God if he ever failed to seek out what God has waiting for him.

    It’s amazing how self-serving Akin’s and Moore’s respective beliefs in God have been: God wants them to be Senators; ergo they must run for Senate.

    Of course were I a believer in their position I would interpret the numerous signs of inevitable loss as a sign God DOES NOT want me to be a Senator, but I’ve never tried to use faith to justify trying to achieve something I was certainly not a good fit for.

  337. Wes says:

    Unlike your Mussolini-inspired friends in the Tea Party, Mikey, the MOGOP let the voters decide. Unfortunately McCaskill took advantage of a split vote and the “dumb as a box of rocks” (her words) voters to get the opponent she wanted. Her intervention in the primary was worth every penny.

    Fortunately six years later, the MOGOP eschewed a split vote that could get a sanctimonious self-serving theocrat nominated and ended McCaskill’s Senate career.

  338. NYCmike says:

    “Fortunately six years later, the MOGOP eschewed a split vote that could get a sanctimonious self-serving theocrat nominated and ended McCaskill’s Senate career.”

    -Exactly.

    I wanted Steelman in the 2012 primary, as she had been a statewide elected official in MO already.

  339. mnw says:

    Mike

    I voted for Brunner in that primary.

    There was considerable disquiet about Akin, but he likely would’ve won anyway absent his abortion gaffe, imo.

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The carnage in Chicago continues, despite new gun laws.

    “Forty-two people were shot, seven fatally, over Memorial Day weekend in Chicago, despite new gun laws and extra officers patrolling the streets.

    While the numbers were only slightly higher than the 39 shootings and seven deaths over the same weekend last year, the city had sought to lower gun incidents this year by deploying 1,200 additional police, as well as conducting early drug raids, the Chicago Tribune reported.

    Several new gun control measures took effect Jan. 1, including expanded rules for revoking Firearms Owners’ Identification (FOID), ‘red flag’ gun confiscation procedures, and an extended rifle purchase waiting period of 72 hours, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.”

  341. Tina says:

    Mexico hit with tariffs for allowing illegals to enter U.S.

    .

  342. lisab says:

    markets won’t like that tomorrow

  343. wheelz says:

    Both bridges are now closed in Quincy Illinois. A levee
    breech has occurred on the Missouri side of the Mississippi River.

  344. NYCmike says:

    Yikes.

    Water issues are so hard to deal with, lot of lasting affects……hope people are safe.

  345. Waingro says:

    These new Trump Mexico tariffs are stupid and reckless.

  346. lisab says:

    mexico has asked to meet with usa officials to avoid tarriffs

  347. lisab says:

    Swedish Minister: Reducing Car Numbers a ‘Gender Equality Issue’ as They’re ‘Driven Mostly by Men’

    Sweden’s environment minister has said reducing car numbers is a feminist issue as well as a matter of meeting carbon emissions targets, saying male drivers occupy space in Swedish cities ‘at women’s expense’.

    Lamenting that urban planning committees have ‘put the car on a pedestal’ in the last 50 years, Karolina Skog insisted it’s vital that cities find ways to reduce the number of cars on the road.

    “Cars are driven largely by men so by giving a lot of space to cars; we’re giving a lot of space to men — at the expense of women,” she explained.

    Under the city’s current transport strategy, Gothenburg aims to cut the number of cars on the road by 25 per cent by 2035.

    The minister praised the target but said that it’s difficult to judge whether it will be sufficient in the long term.

  348. lisab says:

    North Korea envoy Kim Hyok Chol and 4 others executed over failed Trump-Kim summit

  349. lisab says:

    biden addressing teachers

    he looks awful … really old …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbuARfHQ82s&feature=youtu.be

    also he gropes a black girl

  350. lisab says:

    12 Obsolete Manly Activities And What You Can Replace Them With

    OBSOLETE MANLY THING #1: Chivalry
    Any idea that has been around for more than thirty years is old hat. Chivalry, if it were a hat, would be one of those stupid ruffly hats they wore in old French paintings. It is an archaic practice that assumes women can’t accomplish basic tasks such as opening doors, pull seats out from tables, and walk without holding onto some man’s arm. It’s time to retire this tired, sexist trope that parades around pretending to be a form of respect and admit women have no need for male door charity.

    INSTEAD: Get a Sex Change and Beat the Tar Out of Women in MMA
    True respect for women requires drastic, body-altering measures. Instead of opening doors for women, consider getting a sex-change and opening up wounds on women’s skulls in the octagon. Instead of pulling out chairs for women, pull a woman’s arm out of its socket. If you want women to know you consider them equals, quit body-shaming and start body slamming.

  351. Messy says:

    The “SS McCain” scandal is similar to the “GW Bridge” scandal in NJ from ’15. it makes Trump look like the infantile “special snowflake” that he is. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/05/30/trump-shanahan-distance-themselves-from-mccain-controversy/

  352. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy the Moron strikes again in #366
    1- What scandal? All has been denied.
    2- Did the ship block traffic or ambulances?
    3- Will anyone get arrested?

    You and your Liberal ilk are desperate for scandal now that The Donald has been cleared by Mueller and the DOJ.
    Messy, your life is very sad. You need a boyfriend. I wonder if Half-Truth and Wormtongue are available.

  353. Tina says:

    Mexico is demanding an. Urgent meeting with trump officials over the tariffs.

    Next, trump needs to tax remittances.

    And continue with the wall.

  354. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Swift Justice after a stabbing attack in Jerusalem. Clear video of the attack and its aftermath. Bunu is sad.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/263975

  355. Messy says:

    368. Congratulations, Sheep, You’ve been proven to defend anything and everything Trump does with lies.

    Trump, in fact, admitted that the incident happened. That his aides disrespected the military in such an infantile way is a scandal. Martha McSally is demanding an investigation with public hearings.

    BTW just the other day, Meuller stated publicly that the Donald has NOT, I repeat, NOT been cleared. Barr was lying. If Trump or Sarah Sanders said 2+2=5, you would believe and defend it. Who’s the moron now?

  356. jason says:

    Meuller stated publicly that the Donald has NOT, I repeat, NOT been cleared. Barr was lying”

    Huh, yesterday they issued a joint statement that there is no discrepancy between the DOJ and the SC on obstruction.

    The only one lying is you.

  357. jason says:

    Messy Moron is already looking for a new “scandal”, that is proof that collusion and obstruction didn’t pan out.

  358. Tina says:

    Muh boat replaces muh Russia.

    On to the next hoax.

  359. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #372 & 373- jason
    Obviously, Messy reads what she wants. In #368, I state that Trump was cleared by Mueller of Russia Collusion and Obstruction by the DOJ( Barr and Rosenstein).

    The alleged McCain ship scandal disrespected the military?! C’mon- disrepect of the military is cutting its budget to the bone like the last three Democrat Presidents—Obama, Clinton( “I hate the military”) and Carter.
    It’s such a SCANDAL that it is already out of the news.

    Your friend, Elijah Cummings(D-MD) is now embroiled in a major “pay-for-play” scandal. Would you like to comment?

    Messy, so whom do you want to date—Half-Truth or Wormtongue?

  360. Tina says:

    Weissarse?

    “WE DIDN’T AGREE WITH THE LEGAL ANALYSIS..IT DID NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS THE VIEWS OF PARTICULAR LAWYER OR LAWYERS, AND SO WE APPLIED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT LAW.”

    William Barr,

  361. Tina says:

    Henry Cuellar, Drat has come out against impeachment.

    There are cracks in Piglosi.w

  362. Messy says:

    Denial ain’t a river in Egypt. it’s Sheep, Tina and Jason. Really amazing, that.

  363. Tina says:

    Black American confronts Justine Amush.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T6dvgWTUzk0

  364. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Does anyone wish to add their name to Messy’s “enemies” list in #378? It would be a Badge of Honor!

  365. Tina says:

    Please piglosi…

    PoliticsVideoChannel
    @politvidchannel
    BREAKING: Donny Deutsch Just said Democrats Should rebrand The Word Impeachment and force Trump to prove he’s not a “criminal.”

    HE SAID THIS

    “You take the word impeachment,……..and you change it to Trump criminal investigations….. You make Trump say I’m not a criminal.”

  366. Tina says:

    Saagar Enjeti
    @esaagar
    ·
    24m
    Bill Barr on explanations he’s gotten from DOJ/FBI on counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign in 2016: “Things are just not jiving”

  367. jason says:

    I am surprised Messy even knows there is a country named Egypt. Or that the Nile is a river that flows through it.

    It shows that no matter how ignorant you are, there are some kind of limits.

  368. jason says:

    I state that Trump was cleared by Mueller of Russia Collusion and Obstruction by the DOJ( Barr and Rosenstein)”

    Yep, and legally that is all that matters.

    Congress is free to play politics, but the DOJ has clearly stated that there is no collusion and that none of the potential obstruction points mentioned by Mueller rise to the level of obstruction.

    Prosecutors do not “clear” anybody, that is the MSM crap sandwich Messy has bitten into.

    There are two 800lb gorillas in the room:

    1) Mueller did not find the President to have committed any crimes. FACT

    2) The DOJ has said that based on the Mueller Report, no evidence of conspiracy was found by any member of Trump’s team or Trump himself, and that none of the potential obstruction points investigated by Mueller rose to the level of obstruction. FACT.

  369. jason says:

    So the fact that Mueller didn’t “clear” Trump is completely irrelevant.

    The fact the DOJ cleared Trump is completely relevant.

  370. jason says:

    You take the word impeachment,……..and you change it to Trump criminal investigations”

    What criminal investigations?

  371. jason says:

    I am sure the AFL-CIO conservatives are all in favor of imposing tariffs on Mexico.

    I am sure they think that by damaging the Mexican economy, fewer Mexicans will try to enter the US illegally.

  372. Tina says:

    Granite is in favor of the Mexican Tariffs.

    They will pay for the wall.

    Now, he has to tax remittances.

  373. Tina says:

    CBS: “But what about them attacking your reputation?”

    AG BARR: “Everyone dies. I don’t believe in the Homeric idea that immortality comes by having odes sung about you over the centuries”

  374. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    387. “I am sure the AFL-CIO conservatives are all in favor of imposing tariffs on Mexico.”

    I oppose the tariffs. They are counter productive; hurting the Mexican economy will just increase the amount of people who will want to migrate to the U.S. to seek employment.

    Although am in favor of the China tariffs, believe tariffs should only be used as a last resort, as a means to encourage and move to free trade. Using them for other purposes, such as in attempting to stop illegal immigration is a very bad policy decision.

  375. janz says:

    I’ve heard so many variations of what Trump’s approval rating is.  This morning on Fox business, for example, one commentator said Trump was second only to Carter in having the lowest approval rating.  And then there is the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll  which has his approval/disapproval @ 48/52 respectively, the highest it’s been in 2 years!  Confusing…..

  376. Chicon says:

    Why would the President of Mexico be mad about the tariffs? They’re simply a tax on American consumers, eh?

  377. janz says:

    Jim Hoft
    Verified account

    @gatewaypundit
    BREAKING: Attorney General Barr Discloses US Attorney Huber NEVER EVEN STARTED His Investigation — US Attorney John Durham Took Over His Work @JoeHoft
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/attorney-general-barr-discloses-us-attorney-huber-never-even-started-his-investigation-us-attorney-john-durham-took-over-his-work/ … via @gatewaypundit

    It’s not only confusing, but unsettling if the above is indeed true. It’s makes one wonder just who is an honest broker in government.

  378. Tina says:

    Huber was reassigned to Clinton matters. He stood down due to the ig investigations

    Durham took over FISA.

  379. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #391- Tina
    Now that was one great statement by the anti-Amash supporter, who used to be a big supporter of his. She covered a lot of ground including that his prior foes now cheer him and his hypocritical silence on the Constitutional abuse(4th Amendment) against the Trump Administration.
    More importantly, Amash’s replies were weak platitudes.

  380. jason says:

    Ernst joins Grassley in opposing the asinine Mexico tariffs.

    The AFL-CIO conservatives here will have to stick with Chuck Schumer for support.

  381. jason says:

    I always called Amash a Paulbot here and named him my least favorite congressman.

    He was always a true RINO, just like Rand Paul.

    And the “principle conservative” label they putting on him is a joke, like Rand Paul he uses the R to get elected, he doesn’t have the balls to run as a libertarian or whatever he claims to be.

  382. jason says:

    principled.. not principle

  383. jason says:

    Who is hardest hit? Messy Moron, Proud ObamaCON, PeteWilson, Amoral Scumbag, Corey….

    “President Trump’s job approval rating is the highest it’s been in two years, boosted by voter optimism about the economy, according to the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey.

    The survey found that 48 percent approve of the job Trump is doing, compared to 52 percent who said they disapprove. That’s up from 45 percent approval in March. The last time the president’s job approval rating reached 48 percent in the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey was in June of 2017.”

  384. Tina says:

    Sheeple, Amush was slammed by her and an African American, who was happy with the employment numbers in Michigan.

    There are separate videos and each one made their points quite well.

  385. Tina says:

    Elizabeth Harrington
    @LizRNC
    ·
    34m
    CBS explains why a review of spying on POTUS is necessary:

    The concern is Obama officials saw themselves as “guardians of the government. That they know better than anyone else”

    “It’s important there be some kind of review to make sure that government power was used properly”

  386. DW says:

    In the last two weeks, 10 climbers have died on Mount Everest. Is it really worth it? Especially given the fact that Everest is only the ‘tallest’ mountain as it relates to sea level. If you ignore the water, which bulges out at the equator due to the spinning earth, there is a mountain in Ecuador, Chimborazo, that actually extends out further into space from the center of the earth than does Everest. Furthermore, if you measure from the base of the mountain to the summit, again ignoring the water, the big island in Hawaii is the tallest mountain in the world.

  387. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    402. “President Trump’s job approval rating is the highest it’s been in two years, boosted by voter optimism about the economy, according to the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey.”

    This is truly amazing after the bombshell Mueller press conference announcement that he could not prove the Trump did not commit collusion.

  388. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    We now know what happened to Concerned Troll; he got a job at MSNBC

    “MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner said Friday that he’d urge congressional Democrats to impeach the president in order to avoid election interference from North Korean and Russian dictators.

    “If we don’t wrestle this monster to the ground now via an impeachment hearing, don’t we think the president will be emboldened to again lie, cheat and steal, maybe call in some of his newly acquired friends, Kim Jong Un, MBS [Mohammad Bin Salman], and [Vladimir] Putin, to again help tilt the field in his favor?” Kirschner asked MSNBC host Ali Velshi.

  389. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    An interesting point by H.A. Goodman. Whatever I think of Trump, there is something deeply rotten going on.

    “The Federal Bureau of Investigation had a budget approaching $10 billion during James Comey’s tenure as its director. Combined with budgets for the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency, these agencies cost taxpayers around $30 billion annually.
    Therefore, one would think that incriminating evidence derived from the FBI, NSA, or CIA could have linked Donald Trump to Russian hackers or Kremlin operatives, if that evidence existed. Instead, almost all the major findings used to justify investigations into Trump’s campaign are linked to Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party.”

  390. Wes says:

    Some of my liberal friends have convinced themselves Trump will fall to impeachment and take Mike Pence with him—thus making Pelosi President.

    I bet a guy $10,000 even if Trump were to fall to impeo(it won’t happen) Pence would be just fine. Naturally he was wise enough not to take the bet.

  391. Wes says:

    At this point, I’m not sure Dems could even successfully impeach Trump. Nadler might get it through his committee, but Dems then have to get 218 votes (after the two upcoming NC special elections) to force an impeachment. With at least 31 Dems in Trump-friendly districts and a majority unlikely to top the current 235 seats, Dems would be sacrificing a ton of vulnerable Congressmen to gain only Justin Amash’s vote.

    Impeachment, even if successful, would just die in the Senate anyway as Doug Jones would never vote for it while every Senate Republican and Kyrsten Sinema opposes it.

    It would be a colossal waste of time failing even worse than the Clinton impeachment trial with nothing substantial to back it up.

    Pelosi is fully aware of this. That’s why it’ll never come close to happening.

  392. Wes says:

    Also, impeachment would be an event Trump would readily use for reelection. He would plausibly be able to claim Dems were trying to overthrow the government based on their own hatred with nothing substantial backing it.

    This is what Clinton did when House Republicans committed to impeaching him. Clinton’s popularity spiked. Enthusiasm for Republicans plunged, leading to the worst showing for the out party in a second midterm since 1906. This made the outcome inevitable.

    The likely outcome of a Trump impeachment would be his reelection. Yes, I said that for those of you staring in disbelief.

    All of the above is another reason the House will never impeach Trump.

  393. Tina says:

    Yes, let’s impeach over policies we do not like.

    Let’s not use elections to address the matter.

  394. Tina says:

    Good luck Schifty. The power t declassify or not lies with the president.

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    · 4h
    NEW: House Intel Chairman SCHIFF is demanding that intelligence agencies inform him if Barr attempts to declassify Russia-probe material over their objections. (link: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/31/adam-schiff-william-barr-declassify-documents-1349063) politico.com/story/2019/05/…
    Show this thread

  395. Tina says:

    Look at the difference in summary of trumps attorney call to Flynn’s attorney.

    Benito Weissarse clearly forgot key parts of the call when writing the Mulehead Report.

    Remember that trump and Flynn had a joint defense agreement that fell apart when Flynn decided to cooperate. Hence, the nature of the call and perfectly legal too.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1134574689592832000

  396. lisab says:

    it will be hard to sell impeachment during an election campaign

  397. NYCmike says:

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/05/31/fabulous-william-barr-government-interference-elections-dangerous-foreign-interference/

    -I have to admit, when I first heard that he had worked for Bush 41, I was worried.

    He has been a breath of fresh air!

    And Trump picked him!

    “CG”, Robbie, how do you like that?

  398. Tina says:

    And the lawyers phone call to,Flynn’s lawyer was cited as one example of maybe, could be, but only if it’s Trump “obstruction.”

  399. Tina says:

    Yes, we cannot impeach because we “do not know all the facts,” according to Nattler. This, d3spite at least four years of investigations.

  400. janz says:

    Here is something excerpted from AG Barr’s recent interview warranting some bipartisan reflection:

    “One of the ironies today is that people are saying it is President Trump who is shredding our institutions.  I really see no evidence of that.  From my perspective, the idea of ‘resisting’ a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him, and really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president.  That’s where the shredding of our norms and institutions is occurring.”

  401. lisab says:

    hillary to be keynote speaker at

    cyber security conference

    (tee hee)

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC must have been devastated that 7/8 of spelling bee co-champions (stupid outcome but it might still be going on) were from India or first generation Americans.

  403. lisab says:

    NYC must have been devastated that 7/8 of spelling bee co-champions (stupid outcome but it might still be going on) were from India or first generation Americans.

    ———————————

    why? are they illegal aliens?

  404. Tina says:

    I heart illegals.

    -Jebot.

  405. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    Thank You for responding earlier to such a ridiculous statement.

    Always amazes me – Bitterlaw lives in a Radnor, PA, a town where over 80% of the inhabitants are white, while I live in Brooklyn, NY which is as melting pot as you can get…….and he says I would be upset that LEGAL CITIZENS from India or first generation immigrants. I speak with people like that every day.

    E V E R Y D A Y ! ! !

    (of course, it is usually me cursing at them out of the window of my car because they don’t know how to drive, but let’s not get technical!) 🙂

  406. lisab says:

    unfortunately he will now tell us how “woke” he is

    and how unwoke we are.

    will it be how much he dislikes trump or how much he loves mccain or maybe how he is going to die young … he’s 50 … or how much he struggles in his poor gated community …

    it should be a fine display of virtue signaling

  407. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC must have suffered brain damage from all the truck exhaust fumes at work. He forgets that he repeatedly challenged me because I refused to consider reducing LEGAL immigration by 50% or more. He also forgets that he is the one who told jason, A LEGALL IMMIGRANT WHO BECAME A CITIZEN, to go back “where he came from.” By his own standard, NYC would have not allowed 3-4 of those spelling champions into the country.

    Tina can F off if she thinks I support illegal immigration or am a Jebot. I was the first one here to mock JEB!

    lisab can also F off for mistating. Y positions. I do not dislike Trump. I hate him but I am glad he beat Hillary and hope he wins in 2020, I highly respect John McCain. I do not live in a gated community. I am 51 and I amdisappointed every day that I wake up.

  408. lisab says:

    I do not dislike Trump. I hate him but I am glad he beat Hillary and hope he wins in 2020, I highly respect John McCain. I do not live in a gated community. I am 51 and I amdisappointed every day that I wake up.
    ————————

    and

  409. lisab says:

    I do not dislike Trump. I hate him but I am glad he beat Hillary and hope he wins in 2020, I highly respect John McCain. I do not live in a gated community. I am 51 and I amdisappointed every day that I wake up.
    ————————

    whoops …

    and if we stipulate that you are “woke” and very virtuous for hating trump and being old

    can we not hear about it every day?

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    I have been here longer than you, lisab. I will post what I want.

    Can you lose the e.e. cummings act and tossin a capital letter once in awhile?

    As for being “woke,” nobody would ever confuse me with being sensitive or whatever that means.

  411. Tina says:

    Gestapo 2.0 refuses to provide judge in Flynn case with transcript of Flynn’s conversations with his Russian counterpart during transition. Gee wonder why? Maybe, something does not match and the gubment will need to explain how they (lawfully) obtained the intercept?

    https://wapo.st/2EP6Cg2

  412. Wes says:

    I’m beginning to wonder if Tina falls under or transcends Godwin’s Law since virtually all her posts now include Nazi references.

  413. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The carnage continues(H/T: Bitterlaw)!
    Bernie Sanders weighs-in with his take:

    “Jane and I are grieving for the victims in Virginia Beach and their families.

    The days of the NRA controlling Congress and writing our gun laws must end. Congress must listen to the American people and pass gun safety legislation. This sickening gun violence must stop.”

    Of course, a Bernie Bro tried to murder Republican Congressmen two years ago and old Bernie spoke “crickets” afterward!

    Here are the reasons why this shooting will quickly fade away:
    1- A handgun was used and not a semi-automatic
    2- The perp was an AA and a registered Democrat

  414. Wes says:

    Are you sure he was a registered Democrat, Sheep? VA has no party registration.

  415. jason says:

    NYC is back to his traditional wars against himself.

    He favors legal immigration but crusades for the Cotton-Perdue bill that proposes a 50% reduction in legal immigration.

    Btw, has that passed yet? After all, according to NYC the proposal was “open to negotiation” although I actually never heard Cotton or Perdue say that, nor has he explained if we are concerned about ILLEGAl immigration, why is the bill targeting legal immigrants?

    And I still have not seen him explain how he expects a bill that can’t even get enough support for a vote in the Republican caucus has any chance of becoming law. Or if Cotton-Perdue were serious about this bill, how come they didn’t remove the legal immigrant provisions which are a non-starter with most of the caucus?

  416. jason says:

    In the last two weeks, 10 climbers have died on Mount Everest. Is it really worth it?”

    Sure it is.

    Watch “Free Solo”.

    Then you will understand.

  417. Tina says:

    “Tina can F off if she thinks I support illegal immigration or am a Jebot. I was the first one here to mock JEB!”

    Huh, what is this all about, Bl? Seems like you have a habit of interjecting yourself into every post, even the ones that do not apply to you. You know full well who are the jebots.

  418. Messy says:

    434. Sheep:”Of course, a Bernie Bro tried to murder Republican Congressmen two years ago and old Bernie spoke “crickets” afterward!”

    We can test this theory out! Let’s! “I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign,” Sanders said. “I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.”–Bernie Sanders.
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/bernie-sanders-baseball-shooting/index.html

    So, the evidence is that what sheep says is “crickets” is in fact a powerful condemnation.

  419. Messy says:

    420. please remember that when Clinton won in ’92, the GOP worked diligently to make him fail. IN ’08, The GOP, under McConnell, dedicated itself to opposing everything Obama did, even when they agreed with him. What’s the difference?

  420. Messy says:

    410-11. Clinton was framed. Trump’s crimes are of a completely different nature. The ’99 trial was all about cocksucking (there’s no other way to put it), while the Trump investigations are all about corruption and treason.

    Barr just had his people defy a court order on the Fynn case. The reasons were a slap in the face to the judge. Tht is contempt of court.

  421. Wes says:

    Messy, did you notice Clinton and Gingrich worked together on a number of governmental reforms from welfare to IRA reform. Congress even tried to give Clinton a line-item veto, which the courts subsequently overturned.

    Did you forget the Dem strategy in 2002–block and obstruct everything in hopes Bush and the Republicans would take the blame. They also blocked and/or filibustered GWB’s judges.

    Oh, no!

    After Dems steamrolled the GOP in 2008, the GOP fought back and returned the favor for what Daschle, Reid, and Pelosi has done during the GWB years. How dare Republicans do to Democrats what Democrats had done to Republicans!

  422. Wes says:

    You know, Messy, I like Bill Clinton and wish the 22nd Amendment hadn’t been in effect to keep Clinton from beating GWB in 2000.

    Even with that, I can’t believe anyone would say Clinton was framed.

    You have definitely earned the sobriquet “Messy the Moron.”

  423. Wes says:

    If Messy the Moron and Mikey ever met how quickly would the universe implode from the hyper concentration of sheer, unadulterated stupidity present in one place?

  424. Messy says:

    Wes: That was after Gingrich had humiliated himself with the air force one/government shut down thing. I remember how Bush handed the Senate to the Democrats when he disrespected a number of Republican Senators so badly one of them switched sides (50-50). The Democrats in the House were in the minority from 2001 to ’06, so they couldn’t do anything, and on the foreign policy level, they gave him whatever he wanted (9//11 and all that: I saw the wreckage up close). Pelosi couldn’t do squat when she was in the minority, and the obstruction of the privatization of Social Security and the end of Medicare and Medicaid was a GOOD thing.

    Republican policies during the Bush years caused the Crash of ’08. Republican incompetence got the Democrats Congress in ’06 and everything in ’08.

    Clinton was able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Trump cannot. He is getting his aides to treat him like a baby (Donniekins might cry if he saw a ship named after McCain!), and that’s just gross.

  425. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron! You are one stupid sonofabitch!

    Republicans took control of Congress in January 1995. The shutdown happened in December. The GOP has been passing bills for nearly a year before the shutdown.

    As for GOP policies causing the ‘08 crash, could you be any more of a stupid asswipe? Subprime loans caused the crash. GWB may have been as stupid as you, but he tried to address the subprime mortgage problem years before the crash. He gave up when Dems led by veteran congressional diva Barney Frank accuses the Administration of racism.

    Regardless, what has anything regarding the ‘08 financial crash to do with the subject being discussed?

  426. Messy says:

    447. IN 1995, Clinton had to publicly say he was relevant as Gingrich was pretending to be prime minister. However, Clinton vetoed 12 bills that year, only one of which was overridden. There are lots of bills that a president HAS to sign, and BC never vetoed a continuing resolution.

    444. In the United States criminal law, a frame-up or setup is the act of framing someone, that is, providing false evidence or false testimony in order to falsely prove someone guilty of a crime. … Generally, the person who is framing someone else is the actual perpetrator of the crime.

    Clinton was framed in that Starr took something legal and turned it into something illegal.

  427. NYCmike says:

    Judging by the posts from Bitterlaw, jason and Wes, sheer brilliance can be described as not being able to differentiate between happiness for individuals who excel while being able to accept a change in government policy which may reduce the ability of some of those individuals from legally immigrating, due to current circumstances, which by the way, could change in the future.

    Got it.

  428. NYCmike says:

    “Clinton was able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Trump cannot.”

    -Trump chooses not to chew gum, as he is too busy smiling at driving the Democrats crazy.

  429. Tgca says:

    448

    Clinton was framed? Really?
    He was framed for lying under oath?

    We can debate whether these were major crimes or not, but it is not debatable that he lied to federal prosecutors under oath. He also tried to get Monica to lie under oath which by the way is obstruction of justice.

    He later admitted to lying as part of a plea deal and lost his law license for it in a state where he appointed justices to the state Supreme Court. He also was barred by SCOTUS from practicing law based on losing his license in AK.

    Below is just one link to this admission. Others are easily found.

    You are either misremembering stuff or a complete liar.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/02/duncancampbell

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-feds-cut-dealsurrenders-law-license-escape-ind-article-1.904790

  430. Tgca says:

    I am self-correcting on 451. The justices Clinton appointed to AK Supreme Court were out of office by the time he was disbarred. However, SCOTUS disbarment included the court with justices appointed by Clinton.

  431. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #439- Messy
    A strong condemnation my arse!
    By the Palin standard started by you and your ilk after the attempted Gabby Giffords assassination, Sanders(D-VT) took NO blame for having INCITED the gunman before the softball field shooting.He took no blame for incitement in his statement afterwards.Two years ago, he
    did forget to point his finger at the Liberals’ boogeyman, the NRA. Sanders rose to the blame game challenge yesterday by condemning the NRA, which obviously forced the gun to fire.

  432. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #435- Wes
    Me bad. Yesterday’s shooter self-identified as a Democrat in one of his social media profiles.

  433. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron, no one claimed Clinton vetoes a continuing resolution. You are a stupid motherf ucker. There’s absolutely no way to sugarcoat your stupidity. The shutdown was an ill-advised maneuver by Congress that let Clinton regain his lost footing and probably ensured his reelection.

    That still doesn’t mean Congress hadn’t been very productive long before the shutdown.

    Framing someone is committing a crime while making an innocent person appear guilty. Clinton did all of the things he was accused of. Thus, he wasn’t framed. He shouldn’t have been impeached, but only a Moron would claim he was framed.

  434. lisab says:

    Can you lose the e.e. cummings act and tossin a capital letter once in awhile?
    ————————————-

    no … that would require effort

    using shift when typing on a screen is difficult

  435. lisab says:

    As for being “woke,” nobody would ever confuse me with being sensitive or whatever that means.
    ———————————————-

    virtue signaling snowflakes are not sensitive

  436. NYCmike says:

    “That still doesn’t mean Congress hadn’t been very productive long before the shutdown.”

    -That Congress was very productive.

    Gingrich and his “deadenders” got Clinton to sign, what was it, 7 out of the 10 items from the “Contract For America”.

    Sadly, by the year 2001, fiscal responsibility had gone the way of the Establishment line of thinking, which is a cut in an increase of $$ to a program means defunding of that government program.

  437. NYCmike says:

    Is Wes slowly turning into MD?

    Self-appreciating, calling others names, increasingly certain of what the future holds….don’t forget to take your meds.

  438. Wes says:

    Mikey, unlike your heroes Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, Christine O’Donnell, and the 2014 incarnation of Matt Bevin, Gingrich and the Republicans in 1994 beat the Democrats. They were hardly Deadenders.

    Of course in ensuing years, Gingrich would let power go to his head and make himself a juicy target for Clinton to attack, leading to the anticlimactic results of 1998, but from 1994 to 1996, Gingrich was a dynamic GOP leader who provided the party with a joie de vivre not seen since the 80th Congress.

  439. Tina says:

    Governor Hogan and Karate Chop will not primary trump. Both cited the 90 plus approval ratings that trump has with Rs.

    Source wp
    Cn and n

  440. Wes says:

    So a cowardly, sanctimonious, Deadender-supporting jingoist who strictly supports whatever Republican Chuck Schumer wants to win a Senate primary is questioning whether or not I’m becoming MD.

    I guess you must be becoming JulStol, Mikey.

  441. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    461. “Governor Hogan and Karate Chop will not primary trump.”

    Ok, I’ll play. Who is “Karate Chop”?

  442. Wes says:

    Tina calls Kasich Karate Chop, SDC.

  443. lisab says:

    “Transgender Woman” Wins NCAA Women’s Track Tournament

    Ranked 390th when he competed against other men

    Craig Telfer, who now goes by CeCe Tefler, recently took home the women’s 400-meter hurdles national title. Prior to transitioning, Tefler competed against men with mediocre results.

    Transgender woman CeCe Telfer, who was born and raised as Craig Telfer and competed on the Franklin Pierce University men’s track and field team during her first three years of college, won the women’s 400-meter hurdles national title at the 2019 NCAA Division II Outdoor Track & Field Championships. Telfer dominated the competition, winning in 57.53 as second place was way back in 59.21.

    Prior to joining the women’s team this season, Telfer was a mediocre DII athlete who never came close to making it to nationals in the men’s category. In 2016 and 2017, Telfer ranked 200th and 390th, respectively, among DII men in the 400 hurdles (Telfer didn’t run outdoor track in 2018 as either a man or woman). Now she’s the national champion in the event simply because she switched her gender (Telfer’s coach told us that even though she competed on the men’s team her first three years, her gender fluidity was present from her freshman year).

    The fact that Telfer can change her gender and immediately become a national champion is proof positive as to why women’s sports needs protection. Telfer ran slightly faster in the 400 hurdles competing as a man (57.34) than as a woman (57.53), even though the men’s hurdles are six inches taller than the women’s hurdles. Yet when Telfer ran 57.34 as a man, she didn’t even score at her conference meet — she was just 10th at the Northeast-10 Outdoor Track and Field Championships in 2016. Now she’s the national champion.

  444. NYCmike says:

    “….don’t forget to take your meds.”

    Wes, see your comment #463 – get back to your daily regimen…….please, for everyone’s well being.

  445. Wes says:

    Mikey’s lobotomy must have left his brain looking like Swiss cheese, I would guess from the universal idiocy of his posts.

  446. NYCmike says:

    I love Swiss cheese!

  447. mnw says:

    You guys must (heart) the three-iii’d troll a lot!

    LGB tonite! I hate the BLATANTLY pro-Broons NBCSN announcers, btw. Before OT in the last game, they suggested the “3 players to watch” in OT were all three… Broons. Tarasenko WHO?, apparently.

  448. Tina says:

    DW actually called him Karate chop, Wes, Sdc.

    .

  449. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #442- Messy The Moron
    I guess you Liberals finally found the magic bullet in which to remove The Donald from office.
    Only you and Megan McCain give a hoot about the McCain ship story.
    Pathetic is thy name!

  450. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    471. “DW actually called him Karate chop, Wes, Sdc.”

    Apparently it is because he talks with his hands, and waves them in a karate chop manner. Given Kasich’s milquetoast personality, imagine the nickname horrifies him.

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    473. Actually Kasich’s hand gestures look more like he is conducting an orchestra. In a lot of ways he is a lot like Lawrence Welk; they are both soppy in similar ways. I could picture Kasich going: “and a one, and a two.”

  452. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

  453. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and SoHope:

    Tillis has suffered from many unforced errors. He has disappointed me. To be fair, he has been rock solid on Trump’s Court nominations.

    This article is spot-on. I will use Wm. Buckley’s advice in the NC Senate primary next year: Vote for the most conservative candidate WHO CAN WIN!!!
    Tillis or any other Republican short of a Roy Moore-type, will receive my general election vote.
    And your thoughts?

    https://www.greensboro.com/opinion/columns/charles-davenport-jr-tillis-should-keep-a-wary-eye-over/article_471da540-116d-5ea3-b2c7-61acea545fd0.html