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Biden Leads Trump By 12% in NC, Leads Dem Field Nationally By 14%

Emerson College has released a new poll for the state of North Carolina that shows Donald Trump trailing Joe Biden by double digits.

PRESIDENT – NORTH CAROLINA (Emerson)
Joe Biden (D) 56%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Bernie Sanders (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 50%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 51%
Kamala Harris (D) 49%

PRESIDENT – NORTH CAROLINA – DEM PRIMARY (Emerson)
Biden 39%
Sanders 22%
Warren 15%
Buttigieg 8%
Harris 5%
O’Rourke 3%
Klobuchar 1%
Yang 1%
De Blasio 1%
Booker 1%
Gillibrand 1%
Ryan 1%
Everyone Else <1%

This poll was done May 31-June 3 among 932 registered voters and 347 Democrats. Meanwhile on the national level, CNN says Biden continues to lead the Democratic field by double digits albeit by less than he did last month.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (CNN)
Biden 32%
Sanders 18%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
Buttigieg 5%
O’Rourke 5%
Booker 3%
Castro 2%
Klobuchar 2%
Bennet 1%
Gabbard 1%
Inslee 1%
Yang 1%
Gillibrand 1%
Ryan 1%
Everyone Else <1%

This poll was done May 28-31 among registered primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 11:11 am
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122 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 12% in NC, Leads Dem Field Nationally By 14%”

  1. Wes says:

    Trump and Hillary combined for about 96% of the vote here in 2016. Apparently this time my fellow Tarheels are 100% committed to one party or the other.

  2. Hugh says:

    So Bernie Sanders would win NC? If that were to be trump would only win about 5 states

  3. mnw says:

    I don’t believe that Biden will be the nominee.

    1) There is an enthusiasm gap– he can’t turn out big crowds. He can’t attract small donors, either. The old saying is, “In politics, enthusiasm counts.”

    2) All those other lefty loons COMBINED have way more than he does. I doubt that Biden is the second choice of, e.g., Warren voters. They should poll more on “Who is your second choice?” The recent CA DEM convention/meeting was another possible harbinger of the left’s distaste for Biden, I think.

    If I’m right, I have no idea who the DEM nominee will be.

  4. lisab says:

    i think biden actually may make it to the nominee … it will be difficult because of the way delegates are given out by the dems. there are a lot fewer superdelegates now than there used to be

    and you have to get 15% of the vote to get any delegates at all, so biden and sanders will be essentially splitting all the votes, pissing off the supporters of the other candidates — especially biden, because sanders is most of the others’ second choice

    sooooooooo … biden has to get the superdelegates but somehow not piss off the leftists

    he could easily be a nominee with very little support

  5. VictrC says:

    Seems Dem infighting has begun.

    i won’t mention the poll. Its not worth it.

    “Progressive activist Jonathan Tasini, who described Hickenlooper, Bennet and Delaney as the “white guys who belong to the dead-ender caucus,”

  6. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    3. “The recent CA DEM convention/meeting was another possible harbinger of the left’s distaste for Biden.”

    The California Democratic Convention is dominated by far leftists. It endorsed de Leon over Feinstein in the California senate race in 2018. Feinstein won the nonpartisan primary over de Leon by 44–12%. Basically the California Democratic Party endorsement is worthless.
    They got a lot of attention recently when they booed Democratic president candidate Hickenlooper when he criticized socialism. There are some pundits who believe HIckenlooper intentionally baited them to get national attention as a more moderate Democrat.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/john-hickenlooper-booed-socialism/index.html

  7. NYCmike says:

    “Most sports journos think the SC is the hardest championship to win among all major sports.”

    -I would agree.

    Since checking is a big part of the game, and the playoffs are usually heavier on the physical aspect of the game, and it is a 7 game series as opposed to the football wimps who play 1 game……

  8. NYCmike says:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-plead-with-us-patent-office-to-deny-tom-bradys-tom-terrific-claim-034624292.html

    -neither Seaver nor Brady should get exclusive use of the “Tom Terrific” name.

  9. Waingro says:

    Good.

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  10. NYCmike says:

    Waingro,

    Are you a Bruins fan? Aren’t you from CCCM?

  11. Wes says:

    Mikey would be cowering in fear on the gridiron but calls football players wimps.

    Ay Dios Mio…

  12. Wes says:

    If I had this guy’s last name I’d change it post haste. Of course he says what most of us have known for awhile: namely that Dems are favorites to flip both houses of the VA Legislature:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChazNuttycombe/status/1135955549592477696?s=20

  13. Wes says:

    Oddball analysis from RRH regarding NC:

    BOEHNERWASRIGHT
    June 4, 2019 at 2:26 pm | In reply to The Zenome Project
    NC has slightly trended left since 2008. 2008 it was 7 points to the right of the natio, 2012 it was 6 points and 2016 5,5 points. Biden will never win by 12 points but a narrow win is plausible if Biden wins the PV vote by around 5 points.
    If the current trendlines continue we should expect NC to trend slowly left as the GOP is about maxed with WWC voters and most of the growth in the state is with col+ whites and black voters which helps dems.

    Now let’s break this down:

    Dems carried NC by .3 in 2008.

    Republicans carried it by 2.1 in 2012.

    In 2016, Republicans carried my state by 3.5.

    How the state voted relative to the nation is irrelevant. Obama carried it once and lost it the next time. Four years later, Hillary continued the Clinton tradition dating back to 1992 of losing NC.

    Now I’ve reported on here I’ve personally seen evidence Trump is riling up people against him here. Polling outside this highly partisan poll has also indicated Trump is no longer extremely popular here.

    All that said, the above poll is bunk. NC will go to Trump by about the same margin as it went for Romney. We’re not really a swing state, so if Trump is actually losing NC then the overall presidential election will be a 2008 redux.

  14. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey would be cowering in fear on the gridiron but calls football players wimps.”

    -Cowering in fear? Of what, getting tackled?

    Yup, thru years of playing sports with my limited athletic skills, physical contact was one aspect of the sports I played which I actually excelled in, with pride. I learned at an early age to understand leverage, angles, quick moves and hit avoidance, as well as the very technical skill of knowing where the referee was at all times, so as to either draw a penalty, or get away with one.

    On the other hand, I guess I could have stayed in the locker room, like Wes, and prepare to rub the players balls after the game.

  15. CG says:

    Hey, Carlos Correa of the Astros got his ribs broken by a LMT!

  16. jason says:

    The Charles Nutty guy’s analysis may be correct, but he is obviously a moonbat, calls the infanticide issue “nonsense”.

  17. jason says:

    LMT?

    Let me think…..

    Ah, I got it.

  18. Tgca says:

    Diez y Ocho Bebe! Diez y Ocho tu pootahs!

  19. jason says:

    Not only the open border Republicans.

    Me too.

    Tariffs on Mexico are asinine.

  20. jason says:

    Romney should have hired himself out as MSNBC “contributor” so he could be on MSN TV all the time instead of only when he does their bidding.

  21. NYCmike says:

    “Hey, Carlos Correa of the Astros got his ribs broken by a LMT!”

    -Is that true?!?

    O M G, how much did that person pay to get the license?

    Rumors are that is what many of them do……..(not looking at you, Wes….)….

  22. NYCmike says:

    Back to hockey, looks like the Bruins will be without their captain, Zdeno Chara, who had his jaw broken in last nights game when he got hit with a deflected puck (looked like he deflected it himself). Tough break for the Bruins, and another reason why a 7 game series is such a war of attrition.

  23. mnw says:

    Berube is now ‘working the refs’ over the disproportionate number of penalty calls on the Blues.

    The Blues’ wretched special teams are never noted when Binnington’s post-season performance gets criticized, btw. Turnovers & breakaways r us!

  24. NYCmike says:

    “Tariffs on Mexico are asinine.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/world/americas/mexico-migration-crackdown.html

    jason,

    If the threat of tariffs gets the Mexican government to enforce their much-tougher immigration laws, which would make the threatened tariffs NOT BE IMPLEMENTED, will that possibly change your mind?

  25. Tina says:

    Washed up psycho is trending.

  26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tariffs should only be used as a temporary remedy, as a tool to break down trade barriers and encourage free trade. I strongly oppose using them against Mexico as leverage on the immigration issue.

  27. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In 2018, Los Angeles County spent $619 million to address the homeless problem. The latest count shows that the number of homeless people increased 12% in LA County since last year. However, am sure a lot of government bureaucrats, an non-profit agency employees close to Los Angeles County politicians, pulled large salaries being ineffective in 2018.

    Apparently the homeless population in San Francisco grew 17% over last year, despite similar expenditures.

  28. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Donald J. Trump raised eyebrows on both sides of the Atlantic on Saturday by claiming that he would be a “much better princess” than Meghan Markle.

    Calling the Duchess of Sussex “a nasty woman,” Trump said, “If I were a princess, I would not be nasty. People would say, ‘Donald Trump is the nicest princess.’ ””

    I don’t know about how good of a princess he would make, but he takes the cake at being a drama queen. I know a lot of what he is doing is good for the country; but that does not disguise the fact that he often acts like a loon.

  29. Bitterlaw says:

    Tariffs on Mexican products? Let’s think this through.

    1. Mexico’s economy sucks.

    2. The economies of most Centeal American and South American countries suck as much or worse than Mexico’s economy.

    3. Tariffs on Mexico will make its economy even worse for Mexicans and those who go to Mexico to either work in Mexico
    or get to the US will have an even greater incentive to go to the US illegally.

    4. If the Mexican economy gets worse, more people will work to produce and sell drugs.

    5. Tariffs on Mexico are indeed asinine.

  30. Tina says:

    This is too simple.

    “House Republicans support the President on Tariffs with Mexico all the way, & that makes any measure the President takes on the Border totally Veto proof. Why wouldn’t you as Republicans support him when that will allow our President to make a better deal.” Thank you
    @GOPLeader

  31. Tina says:

    Sounds like Bl is making many of the same arguments in favor of NAFTA.

  32. Tina says:

    Marco Rubio in favor of muh tariffs against Mexico for their illegal behavior.

    Marco Rubio
    ?
    @marcorubio
    I don’t generally like tariffs either. But what alternative do my GOP colleagues have to get #Mexico to secure its southern border,use the Isthmus of Tehuantepec to screen northbound rail cars & vehicles & act on intel we provide on human traffickers? https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/trump-mexico-tariffs-senate-1353180

    423
    4:44 AM – Jun 5, 2019

  33. Tina says:

    I support them too, in this case only because we have exhausted all measures in trying to deal with the invasion. The republicans controlled by the Chinese and Mexican COC will not act. The open borders crowd support amnesty, illegals, and no border wall. It is obvious. Look how some “republicans” tried to stop the national emergency (quittens).

    They refuse to do anything about the matter, but many of the Republicrats will again campaign that they are pro border enforcement.

    The open borders politicians are to blame here for where we are at. This is a negotiation and the rinos want to surrender before we negotiate with the corrupt Mexican gubment.

    Glad that Rubio and Granite Grahambo are being honest here.

  34. Chicon says:

    Bitter, at the HHR reeducation camp I learned that tariffs are simply a tax on American consumers and don’t affect the other country.

    If that’s not true, I’d view your list as reasons why the tariff might actually change the behavior of Mexico.

  35. Chicon says:

    34 – Jason just recently said Marco was his boy in the Senate, iirc. He’s probably conflicted now…..

  36. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina is opposed to tariffs except for all the ones she supports. The Mexican government does not care if tariffs hurt Mexicans. They hope more people suffer financially and jump the border.

  37. jason says:

    I am sure the AFL-CIO “conservatives” agree that wiping out the tax cuts is a great idea.

    “A new tax on American consumers: An analysis of the effects of the existing and threatened tariffs by the Tax Foundation found that higher prices on consumer goods would not only wipe out income gains from the GOP tax cuts for the majority of U.S. households, but would in effect impose a new tax that would leave most people worse off.

    The bottom 20% of taxpayers would see an effective tax increase of 1.1%, the analysis found, while those in the middle fifth would see an effective tax increase of about 0.3%. The top 10% of households would still be better off, though their tax cut income gains would be eroded (see the chart below).

    “Once you start adding in the tariffs and start talking about what Trump wants to do at the end of the day, it gets harder and harder for Trump and Republicans to claim that they are cutting taxes for the middle class,” said Kyle Pomerleau, the Tax Foundation’s chief economist.

  38. jason says:

    I am glad to see McConnell go on TV and flatly state “there is not a lot of support for tariffs in the GOP caucus”.

    It’s a start.

    Regarding Rubio, he is wrong but I am not a single issue voter, I am not going to agree with every stance taken by any candidate.

    I will vote for Trump too even though I disagree with his trade policy.

    Finally, let me address this idiotic statement

    I learned that tariffs are simply a tax on American consumers and don’t affect the other country.”

    I never said they didn’t affect the other country. What I said was tariffs are just a another tax increase on the American people. As an American paying the tax, that is more important to me than whatever effect it might have on the consumers in another country.

    I have been clear that nobody wins trade wars, so why would I say that if I thought there was no negative effect on the other country.

    GFY.

  39. jason says:

    Tariffs should only be used as a temporary remedy, as a tool to break down trade barriers and encourage free trade. I strongly oppose using them against Mexico as leverage on the immigration issue.”

    Good SDC, I certainly agree that trying to use tariffs as leverage on immigration is really stupid.

    But I disagree imposing tariffs “encourages free trade”. Tariffs are the exact opposite of free trade and the idea that tariffs lead to free trade is misguided.

  40. jason says:

    Why wouldn’t you as Republicans support him when that will allow our President to make a better deal.”

    Zzzzzz….

    Because negative consequences on the US and the Mexican economies is not “a better deal”.

    What the GOP caucus in the House and Senate should do is state clearly they will not support Trump on more tax hikes on the American people.

    Tina thinks the GOP shows weakness in not supporting tariffs. I think they show weakness in not doing anything about it.

    McConnell’s statement was a start. I hope he follows through.

  41. mnw says:

    Mexico tariffs:

    I support them, of course, but this is about ILLEGAL ALIENS, not trade.

    That said, I read an interesting article at Powerline blog suggesting that shutting down remissions (money transfers) to Mexico would be a more effective means of pressuring them than tariffs.

    A complicating factor in all this is that Mexico is a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 country: 1/3 govt control; 1/3 govt AND cartels; & 1/3 effective cartel controlled, where the govt forces are afraid to go– except regular army units with armored support, i.e., sort of like the Somali area in Minneapolis.

  42. jason says:

    “Donald J. Trump raised eyebrows on both sides of the Atlantic on Saturday by claiming that he would be a “much better princess” than Meghan Markle.

    Calling the Duchess of Sussex “a nasty woman,” Trump said, “If I were a princess, I would not be nasty. People would say, ‘Donald Trump is the nicest princess.”

    Are you sure this is a current quote and not something from 2016 taken out of context.

    His actual comment was

    “I didn’t know that. What can I say? I didn’t know that she was nasty,” Trump said (answering a question about Markle calling him misogynistic and divisive”.

    The MSM says he was calling her nasty, but you could also interpret it as he was saying “she was being nasty”, or calling her comment nasty.

    I am critical of a lot of dumb sh-t Trump says, but I give him a pass on this.

    Now if he actually said on Saturday she was “a nasty woman”, different story.

  43. jason says:

    “Suggesting that shutting down remissions (money transfers) to Mexico would be a more effective means of pressuring them than tariffs.”

    Probably would be, but of course it would just create a new crime cartel for transferring money illegally to Mexico.

  44. mnw says:

    Well then, jason, there’s obviously NO solution to our existential problem with Mexico & illegal immigration– except to lie down, take guy… and smile.

    jason thinks illegal immigration is an Act of God, apparently, like a tsunami or a tornado– it’s the Will of the Almighty– and neither punitive tariffs, nor blocking remissions, nor ANYTHING else will help us.

    Mass illegal immigration is our destiny. /s

  45. janz says:

    Good comments, Tina, in post #35. There are multiple uses for tariffs – ranging from protectionist to punitive incentives. In the Mexico scenario, I see it being cast out by Trump, like a tack strip, to incentivize Mexico’s assistance to address the surge of illegal immigration on their side of the border.

    Trump, IMO, is at his wits end in finding a way to manage the border crisis. Also, From my perspective, the blame for resorting to this controversial method should be placed squarely on the shoulders of congressional Democrats. Their resistance to stepping off collective political high horses, participating instead in legislative solutions, is causing this radical departure from more conventional approaches.

  46. Tina says:

    No Bl, I indicated why.

    Your open border friends exhausted all reasonable measures regarding Mexico and it’s corrupt gubment,

  47. Tina says:

    The Real,Republicans cannot claim that they want border enforcement.

    Trump asked for $ but Ryano said no.

    Trump again asked for $, Mitchie said no.

    Trump again asked piglosi who gave scant funds last budget.

    Trump declared a national emergency and republicans went limp and tried

    What will the republicans do next? Sue him in court over the national emergency? Thenkawsuit in the house failed since they cannot act alone and there are laws on the books about diverting resources for national emergency.

    I guess it’s not a national emergency unless it’s the border of Krapistan or a wall in Iraq?

  48. Chicon says:

    Well, we’re getting somewhere now. So, tariffs DO impact the other country. This means that the other side might (this word will be ignored by mant) change some behavior because of a tariff. Let’s assume we actually want to get Mexico’s help with the illegal immigration trouble at the border.

    That leaves a couple questions. First, could the tariff lead to Mexico to do what we ask? We seem to have agreement that it could – to be determined whether it will. Second, is the benefit worth the cost? Jason, Wes and Bitter seem to say it is never worth the cost. My belief is that the cost is overstated, vastly.

  49. Chicon says:

    Mnw and Tina, this is Jason above….”As an American paying the tax, that is more important to me than whatever effect it might have on the consumers in another country.” It seems – and he can massage his statement if he’d like – that China’s trade misdeeds, and Mexico’s refusal to help with the border, are not important enough for him to sacrifice to change. #NIMBY.

  50. mnw says:

    RAS today is 49/50 & -4.

    I believe the recent improvement is due to the (growing) perception that he’s acting “Presidential”– on foreign trips especially. This may not be the reality, but I think it’s the perception.

    If I were Trump, I would dial the tweets WAAAY back, & start giving a few prime time “address to the nation” speeches– starting with the border crisis, & then another on the trade war with China.

    Flag; podium; lapel pin– the whole 9 yards. Fully scripted, with no impromptu asides, and no questions afterwards.

  51. mnw says:

    Chi

    I try to avoid interacting with jason on trade. He goes to “GFY” REAL fast. By way of justification, he likes to say, “It’s a tough site.”

  52. Phil says:

    Tariffs with Mexico aren’t the answer. I get Trump is at the end of his rope on illegal immigration – as well he should be. It’s beyond ridiculous. It’s national suicide to erase your own borders. However, The trade leverage won’t work. Mexico knows all they have to do is wait it out wait for tariffs to take the inevitable toll on the US economy – something that would destroy Trump politically going into the election year. My guess is that the talks between The US and Mexico will produce an agreement resulting in marginal only Mexican help on their southern border and the tariffs will never actually happen.

  53. Tina says:

    Well it seems like he has had great b2b trips, England and Japan,

    The good news also is that the Fed may now cut rates twice.

    Mortgage rates have already dropped.

    There is also no food inflation and gas is relatively cheap.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    Since most people come here illegally for greater economic opportunity, the idea that making the Mexican economy worse through tariffs will curtail illegal immigration makes no sense. The Mexican government wins either way. If tariffs hurt the economy, more poor people leave.

  55. Tina says:

    Remember, NAFTA was sold on ending illegal immigration,

    Way to go.

  56. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Josh Caplan
    ?
    @joshdcaplan
    Marco Rubio breaks with Senate Republicans to defend Trump’s tariffs on Mexico https://washex.am/2HW2OLH

    89
    7:03 AM – Jun 5, 2019

  57. Wes says:

    To see how absolutely evil the Left is, read the comments on this article about the tragic shooting death of an AR State Senator:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/447029-former-state-senator-found-shot-to-death-in-arkansas-report?mode=comments#disqus_thread

    To be fair, conservatives also make untoward comments on the piece, but they pale in comparison to what the Left says.

  58. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe the Mexican government should pass a law that people must starve in their current location. Tina would support it.

    Seal the border (wall or not) and impose time in prison on employers who hire illegals. 6 months in prison for each illegal hired and sentenced must be served back to back. 10 years for 20 illegal hires should matter to the dirtbags who hire illegals.

  59. Tina says:

    Looks like Bjs bff, Epstein, is under Federal criminal investigations,

    Pedo island.

  60. Wes says:

    This particularly insensitive comment stands out:

    What do you call 1 dead republican ? A slow start .

  61. NYCmike says:

    “Seal the border (wall or not) and impose time in prison on employers who hire illegals. 6 months in prison for each illegal hired and sentenced must be served back to back. 10 years for 20 illegal hires should matter to the dirtbags who hire illegals.”

    -Please describe the process, or the forms used, by which an employer attempts to determine whether or not a potential employee is legal or not.

    Have all Republicans voted for an E-Verify system for all hires? I know I am for it.

  62. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – You hire people. I am sure that you would never hire an illegal. We’ll adopt your system.

  63. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    You are willing to assign prison time for employers, but unable to describe the process for determining if they hired correctly or not, and refuse to answer if the Republican Party is on board with E-Verify.

  64. lisab says:

    That said, I read an interesting article at Powerline blog suggesting that shutting down remissions (money transfers) to Mexico would be a more effective means of pressuring them than tariffs.
    ——————————–

    that would be a tax on mexicans living here, and they would find ways to send money over the border

    tarriffs are taxes on mexican business people, who have actual influence on mexican politics

    although 5% is unlikely to change their behavior

  65. NYCmike says:

    “although 5% is unlikely to change their behavior”

    -I believe there was a schedule for increases in a short amount of time.

  66. Chicon says:

    60 – absolute hogwash. The notion that a country has the right to determine who enters the country and when they may do so seems offensive to Bitter. He’s not bothered by Mexico allowing people to enter their southern border as long as they’re just on the way to the US. They’ll even feed them along the way.

  67. Wes says:

    In case anyone was wondering if literally every person, place, and thing in New Jersey is corrupt, this article that 65,536th piece of evidence saying yes:

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/new-jersey/camden-county-election-results-nj-primary-2019-20190605.html

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzz. Democrats beating Democrat deadenders makes my 91 year old dad corrupt? Zzzzzzzzz again.

  69. Chicon says:

    Mexico has the option of telling those who enter their southern border on the way to the US that they should apply for admission at the US embassy in their country. Instead they offer a sandwich and a ride to the US border. Some friends.

  70. Chicon says:

    Bitter, there’s never been any political shenanigans in NC – they’re pure as snow there. This makes Wes feel good.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon- I said seal the border and use e-verify to dry up the incentive for illegals to cross the border to work. Read it again.

  72. Chicon says:

    Bitter, you seem to absolve Mexico in the issue. “Maybe the Mexican government should pass a law that people must starve in their current location.” Seems sarcastic, no?

    I assumed the next paragraph was, too. I agree with punishing employers. I believe punishment for hiring an illegal was first passed in 1986.

  73. Chicon says:

    Bitter, not trying to pick on you today – you remain a favored poster of mine. That said, you’ve said you don’t think there’s a deep state. Manafort being transferred to Rickers suggests otherwise. I don’t feel sorry for him, but his transfer seems highly unusual.

  74. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not giving Mexico a free pass. I am recognizing that Mexico will never do anything to help the US or it’s own people. I do not believe that tariffs will work because the Mexican government does not care if the economy gets worse.

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    Manafort being sent to Rikers, a state prison, for state charges does not prove a Federal conspiracy. I do not believe in some large scale overarching Deep State for the simple reason that Federal Employees are too lazy to work that hard.

  76. mnw says:

    Guatemalans who enter Mexico illegally are customarily beaten & then physically pushed back over the border. No hearing. No human rights niceties whatever.

    But Mexico is VERY concerned about the legalities of those in the mass caravans heading toward our border, doncha know.

  77. jason says:

    NYC, who hates tariffs unless they are imposed by Trump, comes out in favor of tariffs on Mexico because they are imposed by Trump.

    You have to admire the consistency.

  78. jason says:

    Manafort being sent to Rikers, a state prison, for state charges does not prove a Federal conspiracy.”

    Right, it just proves people that sent him there are petty and seeking revenge on Trump.

  79. mnw says:

    BL

    In my experience, what happened to Manafort (going to Rikers) is completely unprecedented. In 30 years, I never saw that happen. USP inmates are always held in federal custody until the eve of their state trial, i.e., when their defense counsel wants them close by.

  80. jason says:

    It seems – and he can massage his statement if he’d like – that China’s trade misdeeds, and Mexico’s refusal to help with the border, are not important enough for him to sacrifice to change.”

    Wow, Chicon might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he has flashes of understanding.

    This is correct, you don’t “sacrifice” principle for dubious short term benefits (which in effect are not benefits, just tax increases on those that can least afford them).

    The US should be leading the charge for free trade, free markets and free enterprise, not engaging in petty, asinine, self-defeating 5% tariffs on Mexico.

    Trump is showing himself to be what we always knew he was on trade, a small minded protectionist and isolationist who can’t see there is a bigger picture beyond the AFL-CIO agenda.

  81. Tina says:

    Pretty political by Vance jr.

    Manafort is a white collar criminal. A person of older age, and was in a wheel chair the last time he was in court.

    They treat illegals better than Manafort in Jebot World.

  82. Phil says:

    Agree, they’re treated a LOT better. They are treated as victims.

  83. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Making the incursion of Mexican and Latin American immigrants coming into the U.S. all the more devious, is they often tend to work harder than native born citizens, and take jobs native born citizens will not do. For example, those in the construction business have indicated that Mexican workers are about 25% to 35% more productive than their Anglo peers, and take fewer days off.

    And don’t even try to get a snowflake to work in agriculture. In California’s Central Valley, whose agricultural production is worth about $50 billion annually (1% of the nation’s land which produces about 9% of its agricultural output), good luck trying to find a non-Latin American or Asian farm worker. You would think of the massive homeless population of San Francisco and Los Angeles, which is heavily Anglo, would flock to the Central Valley to take agricultural jobs — but they do not seem to want to do so.

    I am all in favor of restricting illegal immigration, but it needs to also be realized that large segments of the American economy are dependent on foreign workers. Trump himself had no problem hiring foreign workers, including those who were not properly documented to be in the country.

  84. Tom says:

    86. I’m tired of hearing how illegal immigrants take jobs that native Americans don’t want to do. The other side of that coin is that illegal immigrants will work for less than minimum wage and in many cases, get paid under the table so the employers don’t have to pay payroll taxes – a double win for them. I have relatives who were driven out of the construction industry because they couldn’t feed their families making $10 an hour. Illegals drive down wages and steal American jobs as a result. When you through food stamps and free emergency room medical care into the equation, the American worker and taxpayers are getting hosed by illegal immigration.

  85. Tom says:

    “throw” not “through”

  86. NYCmike says:

    “NYC, who hates tariffs unless they are imposed by Trump, comes out in favor of tariffs on Mexico because they are imposed by Trump.”

    -While I have not come out opposed to the tariffs, could you please show my comment where I express that I am in favor of them? I would like to be reminded of when I made that comment, as I don’t recall stating I was pro or con.

    I do remember asking theoretical question about a person changing their mind IF a different result was to happen from what they thought would happen……that question went unanswered…..

  87. Tina says:

    Big flop in the anti trump protesters.

    Way below the 250000 anticipated.

    Supporters may have rivaled protesters?

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Queen gave an excellent speech at Portsmouth during the D-Day celebration. It is an amazing performance by a 93-year old.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rCCt0nufsY

  89. Tina says:

    Lol.

    Conversation

    The Daily Beast
    @thedailybeast
    Trump broke royal protocol by disclosing that he told Prince Charles even if climate change is real, it isn’t America’s fault

  90. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is showing himself to be what we always knew he was on trade, a small minded protectionist and isolationist who can’t see there is a bigger picture beyond the AFL-CIO agenda.”

    -Come on and be serious. As mnw stated earlier, “I support them, of course, but this is about ILLEGAL ALIENS, not trade.”

  91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    87 Understand what you are saying Tom, and there definitely are abuses. I was more focused on California. In Utah and the Rocky Mountain states see kids leave high school and take energy field jobs with starting pay of over $40,000, and then getting technical degrees and starting families and buying homes. Unlike in many urban areas, these kids still have a work ethic. But the snowflakes in California often just don’t have it.

    Have a “red-neck” contractor friend from Arizona who came to San Diego to do a job; he initially expected to hire primarily a bunch of Anglo kids. The crew he ended up with was almost all Latino. He said to me afterwards “white kids don’t seem want to work in California.”

    One of the things I like about Trump is his economic policies have really jump started the economy; this has resulted in wages rising in a lot of blue collar jobs, such as energy- related work. Its why despite not liking a lot of things about Trump, I probably will vote for him in 2020.

  92. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    95. “-Is Trump wrong to respond?”

    Don’t know if you can say whether it is right or wrong. It is part of what has been an effective strategy by Trump to dominate the news. His outrageous comments are always published by the press, and it makes him the center of attention. He is just continuing to do what go him elected;
    manipulating the press effectively.

  93. Tina says:

    Prince Charles should ask Mullah Murkel to,pay for climate change.

    Another euro slush fund.

  94. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    96. ”There’s no such thing as bad publicity” Phineas T. Barnum

    “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.” Oscar Wilde

  95. Tina says:

    We have found trumps U.K. gaffes from the 1980s.

    oel B. Pollak
    @joelpollak
    CNN Goes Back to Early 1980s to Find Something Wrong with Trump‘s UK Trip | Breitbart (link: http://bit.ly/2ERsibq) bit.ly/2ERsibq via
    @BreitbartNews

  96. lisab says:

    he is doing well

  97. Wes says:

    QU says Biden leads Trump in the Lone Star State.

    I don’t believe it for a second.

  98. Hugh says:

    The press is at it again with the polls to drive the narrative. No democrat can win TX this round without a crime or a recession. If trump could eliminate about 10% of his worse instincts/compulsions he would crush them.

  99. Wes says:

    To lose TX, Trump would literally have to be the reincarnation of Herbert Hoover.

    Even I am not claiming that.

  100. Wes says:

    That said, Trump has caused Republicans to suffer a diminution of support in TX both when running for President and last year.

    I chalk that up to Trump’s not being a good fit for the state. We saw similar electoral reversals in CO, AZ, and NV in recent years as voters in those states expressed dissatisfaction with Trump in varying degrees.

    My hope is that the recent results in those states have been strictly because of Trump and so transitory rather than the beginning of a longstanding trend. If the latter, the GOP won’t be too far away from returning to New Deal- or Great Society-era irrelevance.

  101. NYCmike says:

    “China taking a pounding.”

    -Not sure about that, but the main customer we have who shipped from Hong Kong will now be shipping to us from Turkey and Portugal.

    Many more options these days, as compared to the 1930’s.

  102. Chicon says:

    106 – you mean things are different than 85 years ago? I can’t imagine that….

  103. lisab says:

    yes china is taking a beating, and it wont end soon. even if trump ended tarriffs tomorrow, companies are not going to offshore everything to china anymore.

    unlike mexico china has no easy way forward. they have a trillion dollar surplus, but their gdp growth is slowing. actual unemployment is estimated at over 10% and that was before the tarriffs

  104. Tina says:

    The chart shows that, ny. Other countries, suppliers, replacing China,

    Look at Taiwan and Korea from the chart.

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    While I believe Federal employees are too lazy for there to be a Deep State, I don’t want to disparage our favorite Federal employee – Tina.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “While I believe Federal employees are too lazy for there to be a Deep State”

    -This is actually the whole point. They, federal workers, are risk-averse (see GEICO, as their whole beginning is based on that belief, and look at them now!), which means if their boss tells them to do something, they will do it. Blatant rule-breaking will not happen, but if the boss says something like “Hey, those 501(C) with the Tea-Party-flag-thingie in their motto, we have had a lot of complaints about those being fraudulent, so make sure you take LOTS OF TIME approving them”, that will happen.

    Same with anything else….as long as they won’t get in trouble, and they are not clearly breaking a law, the easiest thing to do is to do exactly what the superior official wants you to do.

  107. mnw says:

    BL

    You are also disparaging me, if you assert that “Manafort on Rikers” is business as usual.

    I was a criminal division DOJ AUSA prosecutor for just over 28 years, & that assertion is bullizh*t– if that’s what u r claiming. Dershowitz nailed that correctly, as “unprecedented.”

    They can’t kill Trump, as much as they want him dead, so they are trying to torture Manafort to death.

    P.S. I’m a lazy federal employee SLOB, I guess… altho the dozens of people who went to prison after losing jury trials I prosecuted have no complaints. (Not counting the hundreds who decided to plead out).

    Btw? GFY.

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    I wish they sent more people to Rikers, not less. Manafort is a dirtbag. If he never met Trump but still committed crimes, he is still a dirtbag. I won’t lose sleep ov r him.

  109. Tina says:

    No doubt Manafort committed some terrible crimes. I despise tax cheats.

    But still.

  110. Chicon says:

    Bitter moves the goalposts, film at eleven. The question was, of course, not whether Manafort is a dirtbag. It was whether his treatment after entering prison is so unusual as to suggest that there is a deep state.

    Bitter will not accept that there is a deep state, so evidence that there is one is ignored or explained away.

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not believe in a vast conspiracy/Deep State. BecauseChicon believes in it, he will evidence for it no matter what. If Manafort gets Jello instead of pudding for dessert, this will prove there is a Deep State to Chicon.

  112. janz says:

    Manafort’s crimes fall into the white collar category. For him to be transferred to such a hardcore facility like Rikers is way over the top political persecution, in solitary confinement. It’s getting scary on how far the dems can go, in punishing their opponents, while letting their own, who are equally or more corrupt skate.

  113. NYCmike says:

    “BecauseChicon believes in it, he will evidence for it no matter what.”

    -Bitterlaw,

    mnw said he had life experience with this, and it never happened.

    I know I don’t remember such an occurrence where a white collar criminal was treated in such a way.

    I believe even jason stated he thought it was B.S. (need to check this).

    If something happens which usually doesn’t, that is evidence. It is not being made up.

    Simple fact is this – if Hillary had won the election, Manafort would not have been charged for any of this.

    Do you dispute that? The cr*p he is being prosecuted for happened while Obama was in office, and may go as far back as when Bush 43 was in office (someone correct me if I am wrong about the timeframe).

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Manafort was convicted. Were the jurors also part of the Deep State?

  115. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – Manafort was convicted. Were the jurors also part of the Deep State?”

    -Not one person claimed Manafort was innocent.

    If the government went after EVERY person who did what Manafort did in the same manner, there would be no issue.

    As I said earlier, “Simple fact is this – if Hillary had won the election, Manafort would not have been charged for any of this.”