Biden Leads Trump in TX and MI, Two State Trump Won in 2016

Quinnipiac University has a new poll out for the state of Texas showing Republicans could lose this usually reliable number of electoral votes if Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee.

PRESIDENT – TEXAS (Quinnipiac)
Joe Biden (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%
Bernie Sanders (D) 44%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 44%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%
Beto O’Rourke (D) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%
Kamala Harris (D) 43%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Julian Castro (D) 43%

This poll was done May 29-June 4 among 1159 registered voters. Meanwhile in the state of Michigan, the Detroit News shows that it doesn’t matter who the Democrats nominate, Trump will be in trouble of losing the electoral votes there.

Joe Biden (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 41%

Bernie Sanders (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 41%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 41%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Kamala Harris (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

This poll was done May 28-30 among 900 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:31 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (262)

262 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump in TX and MI, Two State Trump Won in 2016”

  1. Tgca says:

    Dos Bebe! Dos!

  2. VictrC says:

    Tres!! Seems I can never get here ahead of you TGCA, dont know if thats a good thing or bad LOL

    Come on….seriously, talk about trying to set a narrative. Only Biden will make it to a single digit loss here in Texas. Butt within three ofTrump in Texas. Sorry, not going to happen. Harris? She’d lose the state by15%+

  3. janz says:

    Somehow, I doubt polls will ever be good to Trump.

  4. Messy says:

    This is the 75th anniversary of D (for day) day. The reason it’s today is that the previous try (the Dieppe raid in 1942) was a total disaster and it spooked Churchill and the rest of the British government.

    I firmly believe that most of the usual suspects here would not have been rooting for the British on December 6th, 1941

  5. dblaikie says:

    5 Sorry but your post is ignorant and mean spirited. First to put the level of Dieppe raid on par with Normandy demonstrates a compete lack of historical perspective. The raid only had about 10000 people involved (mainly Canadians). After not being spooked by the Blitzkrieg in 1940 and Dunkirk, I doubt that Winston was by Dieppe.

    But mainly who are you to say that “most of the suspects here would not have been rooting for the British” the day before Pearl Harbor! All I can speak about is my family. In 1941 both my mother and father had relatives in the United Kingdom (mainly Scotland). They along with countless millions of others were pro British. Of course they were unsure about actually going to war.

    So I completely disagree with your mean comment. I firmly believe that the usual suspects here would have been anti Hitler and pro British.

  6. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #5 Messy the Moron
    Reprehensible comment by a more reprehensible person!

  7. Wes says:

    Amazingly Messy the Moron wonders why I call him Messy the Moron.

  8. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Your thoughts on this news:

    MI-SEN – John James is IN. He announced on Fox and Friends that he is running for Senate against Gary Peters.

    P.S.- Rumor has it that Messy The Moron is a transgender female like Bradley/ Chelsea Manning.

  9. Messy says:

    6.They along with countless millions of others were pro British. Of course, they were unsure about actually going to war.

    Few in America who would support letting Hitler conquer Europe actually LIKED HIM.

  10. Messy says:

    Most of the usual suspects here agreed with the brazen lies about Obama and those told by Trump.

    9. Rumor has it that Sheeple is a Russian bot.

    I’m always amazed by the “I HATE Trump, but I support him” crap that’s here.

  11. Phil says:

    Well, Messy, you’re rather amazing yourself.

  12. Messy says:

    A quote from the second link in 10:

    The day before the vote, the Republican Party ran an ominous radio commercial addressed to the mothers of America. A chilling voice warned, “When your boy is dying on some battlefield in Europe and he’s crying out ‘Mother! Mother!’—don’t blame Franklin D. Roosevelt because he sent your boy to war—blame YOURSELF, because YOU sent Franklin D. Roosevelt back to the White House!”

  13. Wes says:

    I think James is the best chance Republicans have to take Peters out, Sheep.

  14. dblaikie says:

    Messy the hole you dig for yourself just keeps getting deeper. Just so you understand being anti-war in 1940 doesn’t equate with being anti-Britain and pro German. In fact being isolationist in 1940 doesn’t mean being pro-German. After WW1 many Americans believed in staying out of foreign entanglements. Just to refresh your hazy mind, “in February 1941 a Gallup poll revealed that 54 percent of Americans were in favor of giving aid to the British without qualifications of Lend-Lease. A further 15 percent were in favor with qualifications such as: “If it doesn’t get us into war,” or “If the British can give us some security for what we give them.” Only 22 percent were unequivocally against the President’s proposal.”

    Sounds pretty pro British to me.

  15. Waingro says:

    John James getting in the 2020 MI is BIG news. Peters is a weaker incumbent than Stabenow was, and she only won by 6.5 points in a massive blue wave year.

    Prime opportunity for a GOP pickup in an election cycle in which my bottom line is simply keeping the Senate.

  16. Messy says:

    Actually, to some extent it was. 46% were in favor of letting Britain die, not 22%. I remember when Saddam invaded Kuwait and was threatening to sweep across northern Arabia. There were lots on the left saying “None of our business.” Silence=consent.

  17. mnw says:

    RAS today is 50/49 & -5.

    The improvement has been trending for about 5 days.

  18. dblaikie says:

    Messy your argument is with Gallup, not with me. I just think you are out of your depth and sort of sad with your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  19. mnw says:

    The thing about public opinion during, or just prior to, a war– ANY war– is that it is a fast-moving target indeed. Events change public opinion real quick.

    The conventional thing I was taught in school, that on the eve of the Revolutionary War, the colonists were split 1/3 for independence, 1/3 for the King, & 1/3 neutral? I don’t think that stands up to scrutiny. It was accurate at some early point, but not for long.

    During the time period between the start of WWII & Pearl Harbor, public opinion here moved swiftly toward all-out support for Britain. But it was a continuum, not a thunderbolt.

  20. jason says:

    dblaikie, the problem with Messy is not that she is so profoundly ignorant, it’s the fact she has no interest in learning anything.

  21. dblaikie says:

    Jason, I completely agree.

  22. Tina says:

    Trump is receiving great credit for his D-day Speech.

  23. Tina says:

    It is being reported that General Flynn has fires his lawyahs.

    They seemed incompetent.

  24. janz says:

    Overjoyed to hear John James is venturing out again in MI politics for another run at a senate seat. This time he will have more name recognition, as well as seasoned experience in how to run a campaign.

    Also just saw and heard a replay of Trump’s D Day speech. My eyes refused to stay dry. The stories of heroism retold, the tributes paid to allies and everyone involved on that historic day invited emotions involving the horrific, sad and inspirational events surrounding that event. Trump, IMO, fundamentally did a terrific job in conveying a proper tone that connected with even some of his biggest cynics in the MSM, who momentarily took a pause from their usual carping. It’s unfortunate, though, that dems back home couldn’t abstain from their ugliness for a few days too, instead of continuing to inject the absurdity of wanting impeachment or even imprisonment of this president.

  25. jason says:

    Under Booker’s plan, anyone paying more than 30 percent of their before-tax income would be eligible for a tax credit, which would cover the difference between 30 percent of their income and the fair-market rent in their neighborhood.”

    I like this plan.

    I will be moving to Malibu and plan to rent a mansion for $50 k a month, of which about 95% will be paid by the government.

  26. NYCmike says:

    “NYC – Manafort was convicted. Were the jurors also part of the Deep State?”

    -Not one person claimed Manafort was innocent.

    If the government went after EVERY person who did what Manafort did in the same manner, there would be no issue.

    As I said earlier, “Simple fact is this – if Hillary had won the election, Manafort would not have been charged for any of this.”

  27. NYCmike says:

    “I will be moving to Malibu and plan to rent a mansion for $50 k a month, of which about 95% will be paid by the government.”

    -And a new sitcom, “The Malibu A-Holes”, is born!

  28. lisab says:

    “I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison,” Pelosi said, according to multiple Democratic sources familiar with the meeting.”

    barr should open investigations into hillary …

    because not doing it is giving the dems too much confidence they are untouchable.

    a few lower level functionaries squealing on the upper level dems would shut down the investigations quickly

  29. mnw says:

    28 Mike

    U r absolutely right.

    This weaponization of criminal justice is one of the ugliest things I’ve seen in my lifetime. AND I hate it when the crowd chants “Lock her up!” at Trump rallies, too.

  30. lisab says:

    and to be clear, i did not support going after clinton, “the lock her up” movement, because it opens our democracy to political parties launching endless investigations into each other and trying to put their political opponents into prison, like in a banana republic.

    however, if the dems want to threaten this, trump should show them where that path leads. for example, how did pelosi get $100 million dollars on her salary?

  31. Waingro says:

    Following Following @pollreport
    If the election for president were held today . . .
    Donald Trump (R) 41%
    Joe Biden (D) 53%
    (Glengariff Group-R, LV, 5/28-30/19)

    12:51 PM – 6 Jun 2019

  32. Waingro says:

    Steve Kornacki

    17m17 minutes ago
    New Reuters/Ipsos Dem WH poll
    [Counts toward debate qualifying]

    Biden 30%
    Sanders 15%
    Warren 8%
    Harris 6%
    Buttigieg 5%
    O’Rourke 4%
    Booker 2%
    de Blasio 1%
    Gabbard 1%
    Hickenlooper 1%
    Klobuchar 1%
    Ryan 1%
    Yang 1%

  33. Tina says:

    Mr. Bitter appears to be having difficulty comprehending.

    Manafort is a tax cheat.

    Manafort got investigated solely due to his connections to trump (for the months he was the campaign manager).

    Manafort was locked into solitary

    Manafort is a white collar criminal.

    Manafort is in Rikers solitary.

    Manafort is old and when last seen in court he was in a wheel chair.

    The tactics employed by the corrupt prosecutors are over the top.

    The transfer to the new prison is over the top.

  34. Chicon says:

    27 – I heard llamas are unwelcome in Malibu.

  35. NYCmike says:

    “27 – I heard llamas are unwelcome in Malibu.”

    -Unless they check off “Democratic Party” on their voter registration……

  36. Tina says:


    The Department of Unjustice has filed , under secrecy, matters pertaining to the Flynn call placed into his Russian counterpart and other possible 302s.

    Clearly, the recording of Flynn was illegal and was the allegation by SJW Yates of a violation of the Logan Act.
    The 302 appears to have been altered, prolly by McCabe, who had a previous conflict with Flynn.

  37. Tina says:

    Trump campaign wants dnc sanctioned for colluding with the Russians, citing F. Muleheads report. Beotchrs, it is on,

  38. NYCmike says:

    ““27 – I heard llamas are unwelcome in Malibu.””

    -Or, if they self-identify as donkeys….

  39. jason says:

    27 – I heard llamas are unwelcome in Malibu”

    Yes, because of those elitist Hollywood liberals.

    But Corey Booker will make sure common people with their llamas have access to beachfront property in Malibu too.

  40. jason says:

    I hear Bitter is nervous I might be moving into a subsidized rental in Radnor with the llamas, on account it might depress property values.

    But he can relax, I know houses in Radnor even have indoor plumbing, but I am setting my sights even higher.

  41. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina has trouble comprehending a few things.

    Manafort was convicted by jurors and not the mythical Deep State.

    He is awaiting trial on NY state charges.

    He can sit in Rikers while he waits.

    I think tax cheats are scum and feel no sympathy for him.

    While I am sure that he is being punished harshly for his association with Trump, he could have avoided all of this by not being a tax cheating scum.

    Tina and AOC agree on giving Manafort a break.

    I do not and have never have believed in redemption.

  42. NYCmike says:

    “Manafort was convicted by jurors and not the mythical Deep State.”

    -Tina has not disputed this fact.

    Why do you keep making this statement as if she, or for that matter, ANYONE ELSE, is disputing it?

  43. Tina says:

    Looks like the fired Flynn attonerys “worked” for Eric Holders law firm.

    That is an example of the swamp.

  44. NYCmike says:

    “He can sit in Rikers while he waits.”

    -Again, nobody said he can’t do this.

    The question is why would they make him do this, while not making others who committed the same types of crimes do the same?

  45. NYCmike says:

    “I think tax cheats are scum and feel no sympathy for him.”

    -THANK YOU for your daily dose of virtue-signalling.

    Has anyone stated tax cheats should not be punished?

  46. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends Thank you for your thupport

    Democrats can thuck my dick!

  47. Tina says:

    DiGenova is rumored to be the new attorney for Flynn.

    He may withdraw his guilty plea.

    Looks like McCabe tampered with the 302.

    But no Deep State here because McCabe and Comedy were “Republicans”. This despite, Comedy claiming to be a commie, and McCabe working on his wife’s campaign. She ran as a Drat.

  48. Marco Rubio says:

    AOC can thuck my hairy dick!

  49. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – Why does it bother you that I feel no sympathy for Manafort? You accuse me of virtue signaling to cover for your own soft stances. Tina would have given him a free pass because apparently if you do not prosecute every tax cheat you can’t prosecute any.

    Does it bother you that AOC agrees with you?

  50. Tina says:

    Bl continues to lie:

    Tina would have given him a free pass because apparently if you do not prosecute every tax cheat you can’t prosecute any.

  51. Marco Rubio says:

    Nasty Nancy can thuck my hairy dick too!

  52. NYCmike says:

    ” You accuse me of virtue signaling to cover for your own soft stances.”

    -Soft stance on what?

    My sympathy is NOT for Manafort.

    The issue is that ALL tax cheats, money launderers, etc are NOT treated this way…..and some get away with it…..just like Manafort would have gotten away with it, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT HILLARY LOST!

    That is the issue! The government would NOT have prosecuted him at all, in my opinion, if Hillary had won.

    ALL of this would have been swept under the rug.

    That is how banana republics work, where justice depends on political expediency.

    Hillary would have made sure Manafort stayed free, with the option for her and her subordinates to use him if/when needed.

  53. CG says:

    Had Hillary won, Trump would be the one in Rikers Island now.

  54. NYCmike says:

    TDS is strong in this one…..

  55. DW says:

    Here is the status of the 25 communists who wish to defeat Trump and take away your remaining freedoms:

    1 – Biden: 33.5
    2 – Sanders: 16.7
    3 – Warren: 8.2
    4 – Harris: 7.8
    5 – Buttigieg: 6.8
    6 – O’Rourke : 3.8
    7 – Booker: 2.5
    8 – Klobuchar : 1.3
    9 – de Blasio : 1
    10 – Castro: 0.8
    11 – Yang: 0.8
    12 – Gabbard: 0.7
    13 – Hickenlooper: 0.7
    14 – Bennet: 0.6
    15 – Delaney: 0.6
    16 – Inslee: 0.5
    17 – Ryan: 0.5
    18 – Williamson: 0.5
    19 – Bullock: 0.4
    20 – Gillibrand: 0.3
    21 – Gravel: 0
    22 – Messam : 0
    23 – Moulton: 0
    24 – Swalwell: 0
    25 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  56. Wes says:

    Does Tina ever post anything bes

  57. Wes says:

    Does Tina ever post anything besides the latest conspiracy against Trump/how great Trump is?

  58. NYCmike says:

    “Here is the status of the 25 communists who wish to defeat Trump and take away your remaining freedoms:”

    -Don’t forget “and put Trump where he belongs, in Rikers!”

  59. Wes says:

    Corey jumped so high over the shark with that one he’s probably in orbit around Arrakis right now.

  60. CG says:

    I think the point was missed…

    Anyways, let’s remember what a real President sounded like:

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    Does Tina ever post anything besides the latest conspiracy against Trump/how great Trump is?

    A Wes-Tina fight is brewing? Yessssssss!

  62. Tina says:

    National Retreat Online will soon go belly up.

    Emerald Robinson ??
    “David French-ism” means insulting Christians for voting for Trump while defending “drag queen story hour” at libraries while pushing #Russiagate hoax for two years while pretending you’re some sort of Evangelical leader. It’s a small cult at
    that we call “French Davidians.”

  63. Tina says:

    Here is Flynn’s 302. Why in the heck is the Fib asking the Nsa director questions about foreign policy?

    Notice in this transcript there are no back channels between the incoming administration and pooty poot? And Mulehead wasted how many years on this?

  64. CG says:

    “Today, the living here assembled-officials, veterans, citizens-are a tribute to what was achieved here 40 years ago. This land is secure. We are free. These things are worth fighting and dying for.

    Lisa Zannata Henn began her story by quoting her father, who promised that he would return to Normandy. She ended with a promise to her father, who died 8 years ago of cancer: “I’m going there, Dad, and I’ll see the beaches and the barricades and the monuments. I’ll see the graves, and I’ll put flowers there just like you wanted to do. I’ll never forget what you went through, Dad, nor will I let any one else forget. And, Dad, I’ll always be proud.”

    Through the words of his loving daughter, who is here with us today, a D-Day veteran has shown us the meaning of this day far better than any President can. It is enough to say about Private Zannata and all the men of honor and courage who fought beside him four decades ago: We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free.”

    President Ronald Reagan

  65. Wes says:

    I’m not trying to pick a fight with Tina, Bitter. I’m just pointing out I see a lot of monotony in her choice of subject matter.

  66. NYCmike says:

    And today’s speech, “CG”? The parts I heard sounded pretty darn good.

  67. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – How about a compromise? I will agree that Manafort is being singled out for harsh treatment if you agree that ALL tax cheats should get the same harsh treatment? I am tired of country club prisons. If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t break the law. It is incredibly simple.

  68. NYCmike says:

    Did Trump preface the speech by saying Reagan’s speech is nothing compared to what he would say??

  69. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is scum. He gave a very good speech. Both can be true,

  70. NYCmike says:



  71. Tina says:

    I think I had a lot of posts about Flynn and manafort.

    One post about trumps speech today and one funny post about a D day hero hitting on Melania.

    No post on how Hillary or Biden is great though.

    No posts on the corrupt Mexican gubment.

    Other than that carry on,

  72. Tina says:

    And one is free to skip over posts as needed, if one has no interest in the subject matter, or posts hoaxes, like the jebots, and is a troll, like Messy lsd.

    Bl to praise Messy Lsd in 3, 2, 1.

  73. Tina says:

    Here is one trump post that would trigger the usual central casting:

    Fire bumbling Wrong Wray and nominate Giuliani as Fib Director.

  74. Wes says:

    If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t break the law.

    Of course if you commit DUI, Bitter will breathlessly rush to the polls to elect you President and spend the next two decades rationalizing everything about you.

  75. mnw says:

    BL & Wes

    It’s NOT “incredibly simple” at all. Your posts are incredibly simplistic, however.

    Manafort was ALREADY in” jail,” i.e., a federal prison. The question is whether he was singled out among all similarly situated BOP inmates for atypically harsh treatment.

    I’ve said this repeatedly, but what the hell. One more time! Federal inmates serving a federal sentence are not transferred to state custody, in the ordinary course of federal criminal practice, unless their state trial is imminent, or their own state defense counsel asks that her client be moved early for her trial prep convenience.

    It is noteworthy, I think, that NY AG Vance & Mayor DeBlasio rushed to the microphone to announce breathlessly that, “Manafort will get no special treatment in NY.”

    He already GOT “special treatment”!

    If the state wanted him for arraignment or some other pre-trial hearing, the customary way that is handled would be to bring him in for that state court appearance, & then move him BACK to fed custody until he is needed for his state trial. The U.S. Marshal moves prisoners back & force at no expense or inconvenience to state

    P.S. There is no such thing as a country club prison. ALL fed prisons are classified according to the level of security which the BOP determines to be appropriate. Minimum security federal facilities (FPC’s) are where they put non-violent first offenders. They put an inmate where he/she can survive. Period.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – How many of your children were aborted? I am sure the emotionally damaged women you preyed upon slipped up a few times and had to “take care of it.”

  77. mnw says:

    P.S.S. Dershowitz has written repeatedly stating that Manafort is getting “the treatment,” but of course you guys know more about this than the former tenured Harvard Law professor who made legal history by getting Claus von Bulow’s conviction overturned.

  78. lisab says:

    While I am sure that he is being punished harshly for his association with Trump, he could have avoided all of this by not being a tax cheating scum.

    doubtful …

    “show me the man and i will show you the crime” beria

    just look at all the hate speech bitterlaw has made by saying he voted for trump over hillary

  79. Wes says:

    I don’t know why you directed that at me, Mnw, since I’ve said exactly nothing about Manafort on here.

  80. Tgca says:

    Ochenta y cinco Bebe!

  81. lisab says:

    the part to be worried about is not that manafort is being treated harshly

    it is that anything they can do to employees of the president, they can do to you a million times easier

    and just for fun if they choose to

  82. Wes says:

    To my knowledge, Bitter, I’ve impregnated only two women. Both babies made it through the pregnancies safely and are currently happy and healthy.

    The same can’t be said of the estimated 460,000 people who died violent deaths in Iraq between March 2003 and November 2011 thanks to two votes willingly cast by you.

  83. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – mnw is old with young children. He gets tired and confused.

  84. mnw says:


    I took your comment “If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t break the law” to be a reference to BL’s earlier comment (above yours) about Manafort, in post 72.

    Sorry if I misunderstood.

  85. mnw says:

    Well, BL… if I’m “tired & confused,” at least I know what I’m talking about when it comes to federal criminal practice & procedure.

    And you’ve had HOW many federal criminal jury trials? And you’re here to tell me that Manafort is being treated just like other BOP inmates? Is that correct?

  86. lisab says:

    look at what they did to the guy who posted the pelosi drunk video

    he is just an average joe

    but he could easily lose hos job or worse … and that is without the state coming down on him

    imagine if he was a federal employee?

  87. lisab says:

    And you’ve had HOW many federal criminal jury trials?

    leave bitter alone!!!!

  88. Wes says:

    Ah, I see, Mnw. I was plucking a quote from one of Bitter’s posts to needle him. Sorry for the confusion. I wasn’t opining on Manafort.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    I never said Manafort was being treated like all BOP prisoners. I said ALL tax cheats should be treated like Manafort. Harshly.

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes wants to needle a diabetic? Talk about piling on.

  91. lisab says:

    Wes wants to needle a diabetic?

    yeah wes,

    bitterlaw was given a death sentence by his doctor

    40 years ago

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    My diabetes-related cataract surgery is July 15th, lisab. Don’t send flowers. And GFY.

  93. lisab says:

    My diabetes-related cataract surgery is July 15th

    have you really thought that through?

    just think how much sympathy you could get if you were blind!

  94. Tgca says:

    Noventa y nueve Bebe!

  95. Tgca says:

    …y ciento Bebe!

  96. Bitterlaw says:

    Sympathy? In this pit of vipers?

  97. lisab says:

    i’ve taught two boys who were ACTUALLY blind

    one all his life, the other lost his sight

    that boy also had severe asperger’s which made it almost impossible to make friends

    neither ever tried to use their ACTUAL blindness to get sympathy …

    despite neither ever being able to see their child’s face if they ever have children

    cateract surgery … tch!

  98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Inspiring article entitled “the oldest man to go ashore on D-Day”. It is about 56 year old Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. He was 56 years of age, and landed on Utah Beach. He had previously served in World War I along with his two brothers. His son landed on Omaha Beach. General Roosevelt died of a heart attack subsequently while serving, and was awarded the Medal of Honor.

    The last paragraph of the article states:

    “He didn’t have to go to war a second time. He had already served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy and a Governor. His family had lost so much already. With his health problems, some would argue that he should not have gone to shore or even been in the Army. Yet, Ted Roosevelt teaches us a lesson about American grit and determination. He died doing what he loved and for his country despite his age. Already an older man who was on his way out when he stepped ashore at Normandy, Ted Roosevelt teaches younger generations a lesson about the meaning of sacrifice and duty.”

    Freedom is not free.

  99. Bitterlaw says:

    I was denied a military career because of diabetes. GFY again, lisab.

  100. lisab says:

    I was denied a military career because of diabetes.

    yeah, you are a regular audi murphy

  101. Bitterlaw says:

    I tried to enlist in all branches except the Coast Guard. Maybe I should have tried the Peace Corps. I could have smugly pretended to make a difference while not serving my country.

  102. Bitterlaw says:

    All those years feeling bad for lisab’s inability to have children were certainly a waste of my time. Defending her against vile names and accusations were also a waste of time.

  103. lisab says:

    i have an inability to have children?

  104. lisab says:

    i wasn’t aware the country owed you a career in the military?

    ask not what bitterlaw can do for the country,

    ask how the country can serve him

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    I remember years ago you said you had some health issue that prevented you from having children. There would be no reason to make that up. I remember it.

  106. lisab says:

    i did have health issues, you may remember i miscarried a child

    i did not say i could never have a child

  107. Bitterlaw says:

    The country owes. me nothing. I owe military service to the country,

  108. lisab says:

    well … strictly speaking, i had an abortion which caused me to miscarry. the fetus had no heart beat, which is why i had the abortion

  109. lisab says:

    I owe military service to the country,

    yeah … about that … we talked …

    and we all decided you should serve in other ways

  110. lisab says:

    BREAKING Mexican and US officials are discussing deal that would dramatically increase immigration enforcement in Mexico w/National Guard, and transform asylum rules across entire region by making applicants seek refuge in first country they arrive to

    As part of asylum overhaul, Guatemalan asylum seekers at US border would be sent to southern Mexico, and Honduran & Salvadorans would be flown to Guatemala, whose govt has been in talks with DHS officials to implement the plan. Unclear if terms will be enough to please Trump

  111. lisab says:

    speaking of abortion …

    Former Vice President Joe Biden reversed his position on the Hyde Amendment Thursday after facing intense backlash from within his own party.

  112. lisab says:

    Chelsea Handler

    Trump telling Piers Morgan that semi-automatic guns are for entertainment is grounds for impeachment. There are thousands of parents grieving and he calls guns entertainment. I can’t wait to elect a strong leader who has the courage to stand up to the NRA. That will be a leader.

  113. mnw says:


  114. mnw says:

    118 lisab

    Is that heaven, or Iowa?

    Sounds 2 gud to b true.

  115. lisab says:


    i guess it is a story being followed by the washington post

  116. lisab says:

    the thing about mexico, is that unlike china, they lose nothing by cooperating with trump.

    they just did not want to be seen cooperating with trump for pride reasons, but as far as economics is concerned

    mexico would do far better with a friend on their northern border.

    if china cooperates, they lose billions. if they don’t cooperate they lose more billions. they have no easy answer.

    mexico can just decide … “ummmmmm … ok … we will follow international law”

  117. mnw says:

    Mexico can just beat up the illegal alien men, & rape the illegal alien women, & throw them bodily out of the country, just as they’ve always done. It’s a tradition!.

    Mexicans call Guatemala (“bad Guats”) “Guatepeior” (“even worse Guats).”

    My only concern is that the Mexican federal govt only EFFECTIVELY controls about 1/3 of Mexico, & the cartels are particularly strong on Mexico’s southern border, according to what I’ve read anyway.

  118. NYCmike says:

    “Reuters reported, “The Mexican Finance Ministry said on Thursday it blocked the bank accounts of 26 people for their alleged involvement in human trafficking, as Mexico broadens its migration clampdown amid growing pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump.”

    -ODD behavior……..jason, what seems to be going on?

  119. lisab says:

    there is a fundamental difference between the tarriffs on mexico and the tarriffs on china.

    the jobs that are outsourced to china are jobs that could be done in other countries including the usa. for example, china makes jet engines for GE. they could be built here in the usa, those are high tech jobs. they also make key rings, which could be made in vietnam.

    however, in the case of mexico, we have no need or desire to grow avacadoes in the usa if they can be grown cheaper in mexico. that is not a high tech job. we have zero national interest in growing avacadoes … as opposed to making jet engines. and it is not like vietnam can grow avacadoes cheaper than mexico …

  120. lisab says:

    ODD behavior……..jason, what seems to be going on?

    mexico may be willing to make a deal. the deal actually benefits them too … except for pride. they do not want thousands of people crossing their country either.

    but … pride is a powerful thing. if trump throws this in the mexican president’s face, he may reject a deal.

    that hurts us, because tgca and i like avacadoes

  121. mnw says:

    126 Mike

    Well said!


    I’d give up avocados for the duration of my life on earth if it will save my country from the existential threat of open borders.

    I don’t even LIKE avocados that much.

  122. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    127. “however, in the case of mexico, we have no need or desire to grow avacadoes in the usa if they can be grown cheaper in mexico. that is not a high tech job.:

    Avocados?…how quaint lisab!

    Ever been over the border into Mexico recently? Its humming with manufacturing.

    “Who is Killing American Manufacturing?
    Leo Gerard, International President, United Steelworkers | Feb 23, 2016
    In the week before Valentine’s Day, United Technologies expressed its love for its devoted Indiana employees, workers whose labor had kept the corporation profitable, by informing 2,100 of them at two facilities that it was shipping their factories, their jobs, their communities’ resources to Mexico.
    A few workers shouted obscenities at the corporate official. Some walked out. Others openly wept as United Technologies shattered their hopes, their dreams, their means to pay middle-class mortgages.
    Three days later, 1,336 workers at Philadelphia’s largest remaining manufacturer, Cardone, learned that company planned to throw them out too and build brake calipers in Mexico instead. Two weeks earlier, a Grand Rapids, Mich., company called Dematic did the same thing to its 300 workers.”

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    127 Some of dem avocados have rubber tires:

    “NAFTA Job Losses
    “President Reagan envisioned NAFTA to help North America compete with the European Union. Unfortunately, it also sent at least 500,000 manufacturing jobs to Mexico. Hardest hit were California, New York, Michigan, and Texas.
    Mexico is now the seventh largest auto manufacturer in the world. But did that growth come at the expense of U.S. auto workers? Or is something else the real reason? Like 44 free trade agreements, perhaps?”

  124. lisab says:

    Ever been over the border into Mexico recently? Its humming with manufacturing.

    yes, for example there are car factories down there now … but these tarriffs are NOT targeting those factories — yet

    whether a company ships from china or vietnam, the cost is basically the same. with a 25% tarriff, companies WILL move to vietnam

    but a 5% tarriff will NOT close a factory in mexico. moving a factory from mexico to brazil is a big difference. also, you won’t have the same level of skilled labor in say guatamala as you do in mexico.

    soooooooooo … as long as both sides keep this under control, and don’t let it become a pride issue, mexico won’t lose any factories over this.

    china IS losing business. and the loss is rather permanent.

  125. lisab says:

    But did that growth come at the expense of U.S. auto workers?

    auto workers and other factory workers.

    you can see this in NY now. every old factory town in NY has old mansions where the owners and managers of the factories actually lived

    their children went to the same schools as the factory workers children

    they lived in the same town, shopped in the same stores, and in many cases, the men who owned and ran the factories fought side by side with the factory workers in ww1, ww2 and korea — in some case all the way back to the civil war. the owners CARED if their employees had jobs because they had in may cased bled together in war. if a manager laid someone off, the manager’s children might pay for it on the playground.

    that is not true today. if you go down the main streets of say bath ny, you will see huge old mansions now owned by regular people. the owners of the factories long since moved away to ny or london or LA.

    these days there is no need for rich people to live near the factory. they can live in london, have zero connection to the community the factory is in, and if they ever do need to visit … they can fly in for a few days.

    that was just not possible until the 1950’s or even later. also, now with the internet, owners can see daily progress of the factores online, no need to live there.

    if the factory is in detroit or mexico city, it really no longer makes a difference to the owners

  126. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It is not implausible that the threat of U.S. tariffs will give the Mexican government an excuse to crack down on illegal immigration from Central America. The Mexican people are not happy about it; a lot of people I know from Baja California intensely dislike the Central Americans coming in.

  127. lisab says:

    The Abandoned, Haunted Mansions of Brush Park, Detroit.

    just search for abandoned mansions of detroit and you will find many images

    the rich families just moved away.

  128. lisab says:

    actually a similar thing happened in britain between about 1880 and 1950

    about 1880 the laws changed on how people were taxed. suddenly the huge houses, like those in downton abbey, became unaffordable.

    as the roofs of those buildings wore out, they were not replaced, and caused the buildings to be torn down.

    some 600 of the huge country homes of britain were lost. downton abbey, real name Highclere Castle, was actually almost destroyed by water damage, only a few rooms were liveable at the time of the show. the owners lived in a small cottage on the grounds.

    because of tourism from the show, some of the house is being repaired

  129. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    134. “Mexicans Storm Migrant Shelter in Tijuana, Shouting for ‘Pigs’ to Leave: Shouting Trump’s slurs, a hundred demonstrators clashed with riot police, telling the newcomers they aren’t welcome here.

    * * *
    Young men in the crowd overturned concrete barriers set in the road for crowd control and threw plastic bottles and trash at a line of helmeted police with riot shields. Some got close and hurled insults and profanities at the police, calling them anti-patriotic for protecting the migrants, whom they variously referred to as drug addicts, thieves, gang members—even rapists and murderers. It’s the same rhetoric used by President Trump about the caravan during the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections.
    “You’re unpatriotic to be protecting a bunch of drunks and meth-heads, stoners and drug addicts,” one man shouted at officers. “Your mother should have taught you better.””

    If the Mexican deplorables hook up with the American deplorables, then deplorable cook-outs will have additional tasty food.

  130. Tgca says:


  131. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab – While I am sorry that you had that tragic experience, I am not sorry for telling you to GFY. My greatest regret and shame is that I could not serve in the military. When you mocked that, you crossed a line. It is almost impossible to insult me but you managed to do it.

  132. Tgca says:

    I have no great regrets about not joining the military though I would gladly serve if needed. I registered for the draft upon turning 18 and had the opportunity to go into an officer program in the navy upon graduating college due to my math and science training. Sometimes I reflect on not doing it because of the strong bonds many make with others serving…in more ways than one I’m told by some gay men I know that did serve…lol…but one never to be shy and lack opinions, I probably would have not been successful due to policy on non-breeders, as it was not a place to both serve and deny your essence so it was logically not the right choice for me then.

    I guess it would be fine today though but my physical ailments would still prevent serving. Oh well. Maybe my next life.

    One can support and respect without serving so I find peace with that.

  133. Tina says:

    The second major material omission in the B Weissarse Report.: Kiliminik had a role with the State Department.


    Aaron Maté
    The revelation that Kilimnik was a valued State Dept informant, & that Mueller excluded that from his report, is one of the most embarrassing episodes yet for the Russiagate conspiracy theory narrative (and that’s saying a lot).

    Key figure that Mueller report linked to Russia was a State
    The incomplete portrayal of Konstantin Kilimnik, so important to Mueller’s narrative, is found at the start of his report.

  134. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mnw & ChiCon:
    The Blues played a great game last night. One more win and then you guys can ascend to Hockey Heaven!

  135. Chicon says:

    Sheeple, I was in hockey heaven in 2010, 2013 and 2015. Every fan should get the experience – except perhaps Leaf fans.

  136. jason says:

    I usually only buy 5 Mexican avocados at a time.

    I will buy 10 today because it irritates the AFL-CIO conservatives.

  137. DW says:

    The Mets are still battling the curse. My theory is in 1986, in order to overcome the Red Sox, the curse of the Bambino transferred to the Mets in exchange for the come from behind win in Game 6.

    Since then the Red Sox have been freed and have won multiple World Series, and the Mets have not–losing the only two series they have been in since.

    This year, on paper the Mets look pretty good. They have five healthy starting pitchers, who are not throwing that bad. The bull pen should be solid, but it isn’t.

    Then the Mets have a rookie playing 1st who has already clobbered 20 homers this season. They also have a new infielder hitting .345, and the Mets have even had the fortune of Robinson Cano getting injured so someone can play who hits better than Cano’s .238

    On paper, the Mets are good. The problem is they still lose. If they are cold at the plate on one night, they lose 2-0. If they are hot at the plate, they lose 9-8. The Phillies are not exactly running away with the NL East, so the Mets are only 5 games out at 30-32.

  138. VictrC says:

    DW….great assessment of our season so far. Also please don’t forget Syndefaard ERA hovering around 5.00, deFrom either firing a shutout or giving up 5 runs, Wheeler another bloated ERA…heck I think Vargas leads the team in ERA.

    Cano was a horrible trade and every time we see the kid Kelenic hit a finger for Seattle for the next decade well remember the disaster trade.

    Welcome the curse of Buckner.

  139. mnw says:

    Imo, the greatest fear China must have is likely regarding the disruption of their manufacturing supply chain for their (heretofore) U.S. exports.

    It’s got to be like a festering wound, doesn’t it? A settlement with the U.S., & that manufacturing comes back. The longer this goes on, the more likely companies who have transferred production from China to Vietnam & Bangladesh will say the hell with it– might as well stay put.

  140. DW says:

    VictrC, yes, the Cano trade had disaster written all over it. I am also very skeptical of the job Callaway has done as manager. Not being able to figure out a way to get Smith more than 67 at bats is criminal given he is hitting .373.

    Callaway has also made a bunch of bad bull-pen calls this year too.

  141. DW says:

    What the Mets really needed was an upgrade to Todd Frazier at 3rd base. So instead, they traded the future to get Cano to play 2nd, when McNeil was ready to play 2nd, and is currently hitting .345.

    Both Frazier and Cano fit the Mets corporate strategy of waiting to pick up big names until their careers are essentially over, so the Mets can trade for them and burn huge salaries and get nothing for it.

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    The Phillies are hurting because of injuries and domestic violence charges. The Mets are still in it. The Braves are a good team with a bad bullpen.

  143. DW says:

    “domestic violence charges”

    I thought Dykstra had retired?

  144. jason says:

    fortunately, it also sent at least 500,000 manufacturing jobs to Mexico. Hardest hit were California, New York, Michigan, and Texas.
    Mexico is now the seventh largest auto manufacturer in the world. But did that growth come at the expense of U.S. auto workers? Or is something else the real reason? Like 44 free trade agreements, perhaps?””

    I love the idiotic arguments from the AFL-CIO conservatives.

    The idea that the “500k jobs” would still exist if the factories did not become more competitive is of course ridiculous. Who would buy these cars made in obsolete “protected” factories hostage to fat cat unions bosses? Nobody. The market would opt for imported models, cheaper and better.

    The factories moved to Mexico because the cars could be made at a price and quality compatible with a globalized market.

    Those jobs in the US would not exist, and neither would have the millions of jobs involved in the transportation, marketing and sale of the cars in the US, neither would the other related economic activity, such as the infrastructure of dealerships and the taxes collected from them.

    Expense of US auto workers my ass. These jobs would have been gone anyway, but at least the US companies survived by being able to compete on a global scale.

    You can build competitive cars in the US, in right to work states with low taxes and incentives and pro-business policies.

    But these are not the jobs the AFL-CIO wants.

  145. Wes says:

    Greg Gianforte (R-MT) will run for Governor next year. Maybe he can bodyslam his way into office.

  146. jason says:

    I’d give up avocados for the duration of my life on earth if it will save my country from the existential threat of open borders.”

    LOL, at least mnw admits there is no free lunch.

    But of course, avocados are just a small example of what sacrifices occur under isolationist and protectionist policies

    Multiply “avocados” by thousands of other products you will have to “sacrifice” or pay a lot more for.

    And it’s not only “avocados”. It’s the truck drivers who transport them. The stores that sell them. The people that work in these stores. The taxes collected from their sale. The ads sold for promoting them.

    The problem with simplistic, stupid statements are that they are stupid and simplistic.

  147. Cash Cow TM says:


    MAY 24, 2019

    Children at risk of losing their home because a proposed U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development rule would disqualify families from living in public housing if they have an undocumented person living with them.
    Source: Governing

  148. jason says:

    I must say the fact Gianforte was able to body slam the little moonbat turd of a reporter who kept shoving a mike at him and would not let up despite being asked several times, and still win the election was highly satisfying.

  149. jason says:

    Children at risk of losing their home because a proposed U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development rule would disqualify families from living in public housing if they have an undocumented person living with them.”

    Hmmmm.. I would agree that if you are undocumented you shouldn’t qualify for public housing.

    However, if you do qualify for public housing and want to invite an undocumented person to live with you, I don’t agree that disqualifies you.

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    I take no position on the avocado. However, if Trump’s tariffs threaten the availability of the potato, I will be pissed.

    Lengthy post on domestic potato production by somebody in 3…2…1…

  151. Wes says:

    Gianforte believes in Young Earth Creationism.

    The very concept is laughably insane, but so long as Gianforte doesn’t believe God intends pregnancy from rape I can forgive his belief in a demonstrable fairy tale.

  152. NYCmike says:

    -This is absurd, and the people making death threats should be treated like Manafort, at the least.

    The guy gets on by bunting, which broke up the no-hitter. IF it was 8-0, or 10-0, I could understand some people might be mad…….BUT, it was 3-0. One more baserunner, then a guy hits a HR, and the game is tied.

    NO WAY that this broke any “unwritten rules”!

  153. jason says:

    “However, if Trump’s tariffs threaten the availability of the potato, I will be pissed.”

    Well, you know in the Andes there are thousands of types of potatoes.

    In the US we only eat the most boring types, but I remember eating many other tasty varieties.

    “Over 4,000 varieties of native potatoes grow in the Andean highlands of Peru, Boliva, and Ecuador.

    Selected over centuries for their taste, texture, shape and color, these potato varieties are very
    well adapted to the harsh conditions that prevail in the high Andes, at altitudes ranging from 3,500 to 4,200 meters. Farmers generally produce these native varieties with minimal or no use of agrochemicals.

    Diversity is conserved on farms and in communities for subsistence use and as a highly valued heritage. Most of these varieties never see a market; they are traded among highland and lowland communities and given as gifts for weddings and other occasions. The varieties differ from community to community.

    It is believed that wild tubers were first domesticated around 8,000 years ago by farmers who lived on the high plains and mountain slopes near Lake Titicaca, which borders modern-day Bolivia and Peru. The tubers grew well in the cold, harsh climate and quickly took root as a centerpiece around which life revolved.”

  154. VictrC says:

    NYC — figures it was a sc*#bag Yankee who did it.

  155. jason says:

    Lengthy post on domestic potato production by somebody in 3…2…1…”

    Ok, so it wasn’t domestic.


  156. mnw says:

    Blues are now favored for the first time to win the SC, per LV bookies.

    Before the SC finals opened, the headline was, “Bruins Heavy Favorite to Win Stanley Cup.”

  157. jason says:

    Gianforte believes in Young Earth Creationism.”

    I do too.

    Otherwise Fred Flintstone could not have had Dino as a pet.

  158. jason says:

    There has to be a topic I am less interested in than hockey.

    Ok, I racked my brains for a minute, nothing.

    I am sure something will come up if I sleep on it.

    Btw, the women’s World Cup soccer tournament starts today, good match at 3 PM, France vs. South Korea.

  159. Wes says:

    I’d rather watch pro wrestling than soccer. At least the run-ins in that are a knowingly scripted part of the show rather than a bunch of WWF wannabes tricking officials with the combined intelligence of Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam into believing they’re actually hurt.

  160. mnw says:

    Burning skull news bulletin!

    Gibson’s Bakery 1
    Oberlin College 0

    Jury awards $11 million in damages! Defense had suggested $50000 would more than cover it.

  161. Waingro says:


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    3:24 PM – 7 Jun 2019

  162. lisab says:

    for telling you to GFY. My greatest regret and shame is that I could not serve in the military. When you mocked that, you crossed a line. It is almost impossible to insult me but you managed to do it.

    i was not mocking you,

    in fact you did NOT serve country

    the country does and did not owe you a career in the military

    put your big boy pants on

    you were

  163. lisab says:

    and as far as having a tragic experience …

    having a miscarriage is not pixie dust and balloons,

    but it is not like losing a child to measles or something

    or worse, getting a death sentence from a doctor …

    40 years ago …

  164. jason says:

    France 4 South Korea 0

  165. NYCmike says:

    “France 4 South Korea 0” – translated to English = ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    That is like an American football 49-0 score.


  166. NYCmike says:

    The Supreme Court would be less divided if RBG would step aside.

    She could take Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor along with her, to really do something to unify the country!

  167. jason says:

    mnw and NYC have already declared they are willing to sacrifice themselves on the alter of their beloved tariffs.

    Other, less fortunate Americans are not so lucky and don’t deserve to be sacrificed.

    After working so hard to get the tax package passed, it’s all being thrown away on the premise that tariffs, which never work, will now work because Trump imposed them.


    “President Donald Trump’s trade wars have already wiped out all but $100 of the average American household’s windfall from Trump’s 2017 tax law. And that’s just the beginning.

    That last $100 in tax-cut gains also could soon disappear — and then some — because of additional tariffs Trump has announced or is considering. If the president makes good on his threats to impose levies on virtually all imports from China and Mexico, those middle-earning households could pay nearly $4,000 more as they shell out more for a vast range of goods — from avocados to iPhones.

    Subtract the tax cut, and the average household will effectively be paying about $3,000 more a year in additional costs.

    “It’s giving with one hand and taking with the other,” said Kim Clausing, an economics professor at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, who’s written a book promoting free trade.

    Here’s how the math works: middle earners got an average tax cut of $930 for the tax overhaul passed in late 2017, according to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. The tariffs already in effect cost the average household about $831, according to research from the New York Federal Reserve.

    China Goods

    Add in the additional tariffs on another $300 billion in Chinese goods that Trump proposed in May, and is still considering, and that increases the cost for an average family of four to about $2,294 annually, according to research from “Tariffs Hurt the Heartland,” a coalition of business groups.

    Trump has also threatened to levy tariffs on all imports from Mexico, starting with a 5% tax beginning as soon as Monday that would increase monthly to 25% in October unless Mexico curbs illegal migration to the president’s satisfaction.

    If the tariffs reach their highest level, the annual cost to households would increase by $1,700, according to Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the centrist Peterson Institute for International Economics.

    The full force of the Chinese and Mexican tariffs and subsequent retaliation would mean that consumers are facing an additional $3,994 in costs because of tariffs, more than four times the $930 tax cut for middle earners that the Republican Party touts as its signature legislative achievement under Trump.”

  168. jason says:

    I am taking taxes off the list of things I do think Trump is doing right.

    Since he obviously is willing to throw away all the benefits of the tax cuts down the toilet in order to pursue trade wars and economic protectionism and isolationism, there is no sense supporting him on taxes.

  169. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    175. “Other, less fortunate Americans are not so lucky and don’t deserve to be sacrificed.”

    Am sure you were referring to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs because corporations moved their factories to China, where they could get cheap labor. China, on the other hand, has protectionist policies that effective prevent U.S. goods being fairly sold in China; which makes a mockery of any claim that what existed before was free trad. Even Romney supports Trump’s Chinese tariffs — he saw through the Chinese scam.

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    I wanted to serve my country. Lisab did not. Only one of us got what we wanted.

    The diagnosis was January 7, 1983. I never said the country owed me a military career. I believe I owed it to my country.


  171. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if lisab goes to VFW posts or VA hospitals to ask who wants to compare her Peace Corps “service” and their real service.

  172. lisab says:

    i served two years doing what i was asked to do, but i don’t cry about it weekly the way you do

  173. lisab says:

    all of my uncles and my father volunteered to serve in ww2 or korea. a couple served in both. certainly they were in the reserves for years as well. my father volunteered during the korean war, because of his specialty — nuclear physics — they did not let him out of the reserves until the 1970’s.

    over 20 years of thanksgivings, christmas parties, weddings, reunions, births, get togethers and parties to a man, they never talked about it — except once.

    in the early 1980’s at a new years party i think, the old men — in their 60’s or so at this point, for some reason started to talk. why? i don’t know, a few drinks perhaps? they all sat in a big circle trading war stories. all of us kids were enthralled because they never talked about this, ever, at least not to us.

    only they did not actually talk aboout war stories. mostly they traded stories about boot camp, and jokes about the food or rain or some funny thing that happened. the closes any of them talked about battle was my uncle who served in ww2 and korea as a marine.

    did he talk about okinowa or the frozen chosen? no. he joked about how he was trained as an artilleryman in ww2 for okinowa, and they handed him a rifle on the way to korea, and he laughed about how he did not know what it was — funny because every marine is a rifleman first.

    soooooooo … actual veterans? one time in 2o years mentioned their actual service in actual wars

    bitterlaw brings up how he tried to enlist even though they told him he was not qualified every fking week

  174. Phil says:

    No tariffs with Mexico. Agreement on immigration reached with Mexico.

    Hopefully the free ride for central Americans to the US border is at least significantly curtailed. If so, well played, Donald.

  175. Bitterlaw says:

    You only served your own ego. You did not serve this country. You were a paid tourist.

  176. NYCmike says:

    “No tariffs with Mexico. Agreement on immigration reached with Mexico.”

    -jason to ignore and keep yapping about AFL-CIO, and will continue to keep saying that Trump would not get rid of all tariffs if the other side did the same.

  177. Tina says:

    Mexico capitulated.

    They better not phuq around anymore.

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    I doubt Mexico honors any agreement. It knows that it just has to hold out until the 2020 election.

  179. NYCmike says:

    Blues player suspended for hit to the head. Agree with that ruling. Definitely had a chance to check the other player right in the chest….in fact, could have flattened him with a nice, clean but vicious bodycheck.

    Also, that other play, the slough foot, should have been called a penalty. Blatant.

  180. NYCmike says:

    “I doubt Mexico honors any agreement. It knows that it just has to hold out until the 2020 election.”

    -As do I.

    I would think Trump will have to deal with them again before the election.

    That is what happens when you have politicians who don’t understand short-term pain for long-term gain.

  181. NYCmike says:

    I hope to be wrong about Mexico and its new leadership.

  182. Phil says:

    I suspect they will honor it. Doesn’t cost them anything plus it’s just a matter of enforcing the laws they already have on the books. If Biden wins the election then absolutely they will break it knowing Biden or any other Marxist Democrat elected won’t do anything. Until then, they are at the mercy of Trump and any tariffs or sanctions he chooses to impose.

  183. Bitterlaw says:

    You mean politicians who inflict pain on American workers they don’t feel themselves.

  184. Tina says:

    Mexico cannot honor anything. Gubment is corrupt, The narcos paid bribes to the former president Niento.

    That is why we need to build the wall and tax their remittances.

  185. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    181. “over 20 years of thanksgivings, christmas parties, weddings, reunions, births, get togethers and parties to a man, they never talked about it.”

    My father landed at Normandy several days after D-Day. He was present at the liberation of Paris; we even had a few pictures, including by a German soldier of Paris that my father found. My father never talked about his war experiences; never, ever. He occasionally would make comments about some aspects of the towns or other topics; but never about combat itself — with maybe a couple of exceptions. Noticed noticed the same with other WWII veterans.

  186. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Mexico does not want Central Americans entering their country, so they are not adverse to greater enforcement at their borders — which they can blame on American pressure. Am curious what the U.S. provided Mexico in return for greater enforcement?

  187. lisab says:

    You only served your own ego. You did not serve this country. You were a paid tourist.

    ok …

    and you still did not serve

    and maybe you were horribly disappointed …

    but when was what??

    30+ years ago ?!!!

  188. Tgca says:


    Your dad landed at Normandy? …and I thought you were younger than Walt! Bless your father. You must be one old dude too!

  189. Tgca says:

    Let’s see if the LisaB and Bitter feud goes into day 3 tomorrow.

    Chit! I don’t need to go to the movies and waste $23 for entertainment. I’m just gonna get me some Orville Redenbacher kettle corn popcorn, lounge back in my recliner, and read HHR.

  190. Tgca says:

    This is almost as long (pun intended) and entertaining as the Chuck Connors junk mini series on HHR.

  191. Tgca says:

    Dos cientos Bebe! Dos cientos!

  192. Chicon says:

    I’m sure that the Trade Deadenders will be along to say Trump could’ve achieved the same deal with Mexico without the threat of Evil Tariffs. Anyway, good thing this agreement occurred when it did, because even one day of tariffs would’ve had catastrophic impact on the US economy.

  193. Tgca says:

    Tonight I’ve been reflecting on a lot and realized I’ve never met anyone from HHR in person but feel like I know so many here for whatever it’s been…like 15 years or so. We’ve shared so much over the years, good and bad, ups and downs, hissy fits and celebrations, fights and make-ups, insults and apologies, joys and sorrows, insecurities and pride.

    I feel like it’s been an amazing support group and we’re like one big dysfunctional extended family with more in common than not. A place to come and share thoughts and debate and voice an opinion where otherwise no one else was interested in listening.

    When I read these posts, it’s like reading a text from a friend, where you hear their voice in your head as you read it. I don’t know how anyone hear sounds but when I read their messages it’s like each one has a distinctive voice to me I know like an old friend. Heck, I don’t know how folks hear sound and for all I know Jadon sounds like Ricky Ricardo, Wes sounds like Gomer Pyle, Tina sounds like Edith Bunker, LisaB sounds like Amy Schumer, Bitter sounds like Chris Christie, MNW sounds like F. Lee Bailey, NYC sounds like Ed Koch, San Diego sounds like Harvey Fierstein just to name a few.

    Well, I guess I never shared this before but I just feel like I know y’all even though I haven’t the slightest clue who the heck any of you are…that’s the strange part. I know you but I don’t.

    Maybe I’m thinking too much tonight. Hmmm…

  194. lisab says:


    come on … even twinkies have shelf-lives shorter than 30 years …

  195. Tina says:

    Is muh avocado over?

  196. lisab says:

    amy schumer?!!!

    i’m from massachusetts

  197. mnw says:


    We oughta have a meet-up. They do those all the time at Ace of Spades blog,

    It would be fun to put faces with the screen names. Walt & I will need wheelchairs & oxygen tanks, of course.

    Your health still improving, I hope?

  198. mnw says:

    201 Chi

    You said it! Tariffs never achieve ANYTHING. Mexico’s cave is just a coinkydink, don’cha know? /s

    jason will be along shortly to explain that “legal means” would’ve been even better.

  199. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    197. I was the youngest child of a large family, so not quite that old.

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    I had an uncle who landed at Normandy on June 7th. When I was young and stupid I asked him if he ever felt disappointed he did not go in on D-Day. He just said, “The Germans were still shooting on the 7th and every day until the war ended in Europe.”

  201. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I feel the same way about HHR. I have met MD, WVAlly and Walt in person. Walt looks much younger than an immortal being should.

    Lisab is more like Amy Adams than Amy Schumer.

  202. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    198. Trying to recall what the LisaB/Bitter dispute was about. Wasn’t it that Bitter was mad that LisaB aborted his love child, so he decided to joint the French foreign legion, but they rejected him because he disliked garlic?

  203. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Pretty much.

  204. Bitterlaw says:

    My state Senator:

    This guy is a flaming lib. He is a huge critic of Trump and the way Trump treats women. Ironic.

    Of course, the fact that I have voted for his Republican opponent every time and actually considered running against him means that I support him because I have not sold my house and movedaccording to Wes logic.

    I did consider running in 2020. However, with Trump at the top of the ticket, I would have no chance. Probably a 60-40 loss. Without Trump? Toss-up leaning towards the Dem. My base in the softball and basketball communities would support me.

  205. Tgca says:


    If your dad landed in Normandy, you’re old dude! My mom was an infant then and she also came from a large family of 14 kids. Anyone born before 1975 is old!!!

    Let us know if you need help crossing the street. Okay?

  206. Tgca says:

    210 Bitter

    Amy Adams Is whom I meant. I apologize to LisaB. Amy Schumer is that chubby obnoxious chick that tries to be funny. She could never fit in thigh high boots like LisaB. My bad.

  207. Tgca says:

    My grandmamy was in her early 20s on D-Day. I was up in Heaven floating around on a fluffy cloud, flapping my wings and taking harp lessons then, awaiting my turn to come down to this miserable world decades later.

  208. Tgca says:

    206 MNW

    Meet up? That would be awesome! Just don’t be pinching me ala Grandpa Groper Bush style. That would be creepy.

    My health is fine except my joints and nerves still act up now and then. I’m having shoulder surgery soon so I’m keeping the cost of medical insurance quite high for everyone. Shoulders have been acting up for years and can’t do any more cortisone shots because of the damage they cause. It’s not even my worse shoulder but hey, Drs need to buy Porches so I’m doing my fair share. It’s quite inflamed and hard to move with a nice rotator cuff tear too with some arthritis thrown in as an extra benefit. I’m too young for this chit I’m told and clearly the military won’t take me in so I’m stuck in Corporate America driving up insurance rates.

    It’s my dominant side too and I’ve been careful not lifting weights so not sure why it acting up after a couple of years of getting better. Already had the elbow and hand surgeries on that side too so this seems appropriate. Sometimes these things occur from repetitive limb use. Maybe I should stop…Hmmm….

  209. jason says:

    I am fine with a meeting as long as I can bring my llamas. I assume Cash Cow is coming too so it’s not like I am trying to be difficult.

    Guadalupe gets very upset when I am absent and spits up a storm.

    Any llama friendly resort or cruise line will do.

    Also I can’t eat at any table where Tgca is eating because I am allergic to most types of tree bark and plant husks. Plus I get grossed out at the sight of someone downing a quart of organic maple syrup and 3 lbs of sugar for breakfast.

  210. Tgca says:

    So Romney thinks endorsements are “worth a thimble of spit” and may not endorse anyone in 2020. Must be a slow news day and he’s desperate for attention. He states this at an event of political donors and backers of all places. I guess he doesn’t see the irony in that.

    He greatly coveted endorsements himself in his political career. This moron clearly shows his hypocrisy has no bounds.

    I still love watching him eat crow after trashing Trump, refusing to vote for him, but then groveling for SoS job weeks after Trump elected.

  211. mnw says:


    I admire you for hanging in there.

    The “MoMeets” (“moron meetups”– that’s what posters at Ace of Spades proudly call themselves) are never anywhere close to me. Their Midwest MoMeet was in… Chicago. That’s an overnight trip. I have a dog to think of when I travel. I can’t justify such a trip.

    I would welcome a chance to meet the regulars who post here. It’s a relatively small group, though. The epicenter seems to be in Philly, too. That’s even further away than Chicago is.

  212. mnw says:


    I read your linked article.

    I have profound reservations about running somebody out of town on a rail based on what appear to be anonymous reports about conduct that occurred in 1991, at least in part.

    It reminds me too much of Kavanaugh, I guess. You obviously know a lot about the situation, though, & I just read one article.

    Based on Kavanaugh, it seems to me that every prominent conservative is going to get that treatment if they rise far enough. Some liberal heroine like that Ford creature will step up the plate. It’s part of the liberal law fare arsenal now.

    This isn’t politics any more, not that I can recognize. This is more like a death struggle now.

    The Oberlin verdict yesterday was the best thing to happen since Nov. 2016, imo. It was a reminder that ordinary Americans (jurors) still have some common sense.

  213. mnw says:

    sb “lawfare”

  214. Tgca says:

    220 mnw

    I think Jadon should host a summit at his place in Amishville and Mrs. Jadon can prepare us all some artery clogging meals as she does for Jadon while awaiting for the life insurance policy to kick in.

    We can bring our dogs too. My younger one will love running about and playing with Jadon’s llama.

    I just hope Mrs Jadon knows how to make a good veggie burger and avocado salad.

  215. jason says:

    We could have seminars where the other HHR members could benefit from our knowledge.

    For example:

    Tariffs: not just for trade, use them for ANY occasion mnw

    Drinking and driving: best execution methods Bitter

    Banging bimbos for dummies wes

    Ignorance: it could be a blessing Messy

    Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism: why choose Proud Obamacon

    Which demographic will doom us first? Phil

    How Trump changed my core convictions: a case study NYC

    From MA utopian socialist to MN quasi conservative… my long journey lisab

    Nickname workshop Tina

    Chores: how to do 90% of them and make your wife think you did 100% Walt

    Llama husbandry: hidden rewards jason

    Other contributions welcome

  216. jason says:

    Mexico’s cave”


    Mexico pretended to come to an agreement they would never honor, Trump pretended he believes Mexico will honor an agreement and declared victory, and the AFL-CIO conservatives are pretending that tariffs work.

  217. jason says:

    I have a dog to think of when I travel.”

    If walt is bringing Cash Cow and I am bringing my llamas, your dog will be no trouble at all.

  218. Wes says:

    LisaB is like Amy Adams? I doubt it because Amy Adams actually has breasts:

  219. Chicon says:

    Mnw can’t do a meet up for a week or so. He’s gotta be ready for a parade.

  220. Chicon says:

    I’ll have to check with my long-time pals at the union hall, to see if a meeting with real conservatives is authorized.

  221. jason says:

    nd will continue to keep saying that Trump would not get rid of all tariffs if the other side did the same.”


    I love the AFL-CIO conservative delusions.

    Trump has been an isolationist and protectionist for what, 50 years, it is probably his most consistent position, but suddenly he wants to “get rid of all tariffs”.

    Astounding disconnect with reality.

  222. Wes says:

    If I wanted to torture someone feeding him/her what Tgca eats would be the most painful way to do it.

  223. jason says:

    ’ll have to check with my long-time pals at the union hall, to see if a meeting with real conservatives is authorized.”

    Tell them most are AFL-CIO conservatives like you, and that you will be conducting a seminar on the evils of free trade and the benefits of higher taxes.

  224. jason says:

    I notice none of the AFL-CIO conservatives commented on the article I posted above that showed that Trump’s moronic trade wars have just about negated all the positive effects of the tax cuts for middle and lower income taxpayers.

    Instead, they celebrate the fake “win” against Mexico.

  225. Chicon says:

    I checked in at the union hall. They said I could meet with the people on the board. As an aside, they were highly disappointed that the tariffs won’t go into effect. One guy said Trump is disappointed in the outcome – “he was using this phony immigration canard (big word for a union thug) to impose permanent tariffs on Mexico”.

  226. Tgca says:

    I expect Mrs. Jadon will include a wonderful healthy vegetarian buffet at the HHR summit in Amishville. No Goetta or spam for me.

  227. jason says:

    As an aside, they were highly disappointed that the tariffs won’t go into effect.”

    Tell them the China tariffs are still on and they can be assured the massive tax hikes will still go into effect.

    Yes, the cherry on top represented by the Mexico tariffs would have been nice, but not to worry, most of the impact on the economy will still be felt and there will be no tax cut for middle and lower income earners.

    Tell them to stay focused on the big prize, economic isolationism and protectionism.

  228. jason says:

    The AFL-CIO conservatives also believe that worse economic conditions in Mexico and Central America will mean fewer illegals will cross the border.

    Absolutely brilliant logic.

  229. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron will try to distort this and say somehow GWB and Trump forced Senate Dems to try to scuttle dozens of judicial nominees:

  230. jason says:

    I expect Mrs. Jadon will include a wonderful healthy vegetarian buffet at the HHR summit in Amishville.”

    I plan to sacrifice a lamb, a goat, and a pig for the occasion. No steer because we don’t want to offend Cash Cow’s sensibilities.

    But Tgca can rest assured there will be side dishes: venison sausage, chicken, duck, guinea pig….

  231. Wes says:

    Some idiot on RRH is saying Trump can increase his odds of reelection by supporting marij uana legalization.

    Personally I support such a move, but there’s exactly a 0% chance passing legalization will help Trump win re-election. It’s honestly a reasonable issue and is probably fairly popular. It’s not an issue that drives voters. I don’t see a ton of people saying, “I was going to vote against Trump, but since he supports pot legalization, I think I’ll vote for him now.”

  232. Messy says:

    16. For the most part, it DiD.
    Pat Buchanan STILL was pro-Nazi.

    6 After not being spooked by the Blitzkrieg in 1940 and Dunkirk, I doubt that Winston was by Dieppe. Oh?
    From the article: the historian Max Hastings reminded us that Winston Churchill was reluctant to take part in D-Day at all because of his fears that the landings would be as big a disaster as Gallipoli in the First World War.

    As to being “spooked” by Dunkirk, The British Cabinet was leaning towards surrender. It was only AFTER that amazing rescue that Churchill decided to fight on alone.

  233. Messy says:

    Since you guys are probably going to call me “stupid” for calling Pat Buchanan pro-Nazi, hero’s what your hero’s ghostwriter wrote in his name on that very subject:

  234. Wes says:

    We call you stupid because you’re stupid, Messy the Moron. We’ve discussed Buchanan’s virulent anti-Semitism and pro-Hitler political views on here before.

  235. mnw says:

    A lot of my posts are generating m-o-d-e-r-a-t-i-o-n notices. Ironically, mostly the ones about ice hockey!

  236. Tgca says:


    That’s because ice hockey is a violent white supremacist sport so naturally computer programming detects this in its algorithms.

  237. jason says:

    Pat Buchanan is a flaming anti-Semite.

    So are a lot of the Dems in Congress.

    Messy is still an ignorant moron.

    All can be true.

  238. jason says:

    There is one word in there that you are using that is causing the problem.

    In the past you couldn’t write c-sino or st-ff, for example.

  239. jason says:

    Your pal Putin’s #3″

    What is all this anti-Russia st-ff, Messy Moron?

    Remember, Obama told us that the Cold War ended long ago, disputing Romney’s comment that Russia was a geopolitical threat.

    Was your “pal” Obama wrong?

  240. Phil says:

    Exactly no one on here to my knowledge has defended Pat Buchanan’s anti-Semite positions over the years. The anti-Semitism of today resides in one party and it isn’t the Republicans. Messy knows very well that is the case.

  241. Tgca says:

    My Jewish friend texted me last week and I couldn’t respond because I’m I was in a meeting. Does that make me an anti-Semite?

  242. jason says:

    Does that make me an anti-Semite?”


    (It probably doesn’t, but you hand an A-hole a loaded gun and ask him to pull the trigger….)

  243. jason says:

    Yes, I plan to make a comeback betting on the Belmont.

    I like Tacitus and Intrepid Heart.

  244. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    240. “Your pal Putin’s #3 says this about Trump’s D-Day commemoration:

    It was the Russian Foreign Minister, and what he said has a basis in fact. Russian forces were instrumental in defeating the Nazis, and the battles at Stalingrad and Kursk were epic. Below is what the Foreign Minster said

    “Young people are being told that the main credit in victory over Nazism and liberation of Europe goes not to the Soviet troops, but to the West due to the landing in Normandy, which took place less than a year before Nazism was defeated.”
    He added: “It was the peoples of the Soviet Union who broke the backbone of the Third Reich. That is a fact.”
    More than 150,000 Allied troops mostly from the US, the UK, and Canada took part in D-Day on June 6, 1944. Just under a year later, on May 8, 1945, the German High Command surrendered in Berlin.
    By the time of the Normandy invasion, the Soviet Union had mostly turned back the Nazi forces on the Eastern Front and begun pursuing them west toward Berlin.”

    It would have been nice if Trump had said something crediting Russia for its involvement in the victory; but if he had the liberal press would have exploded claiming it was proof of collusion. And creeps like Messy would have posted stupid comments like the one above, supporting the liberal press. Over 20,000,000 Russians died in the fight against the Nazis; they deserve credit for their sacrifice.

  245. mnw says:

    Tg 247

    Funny! That’s probably exactly how half of America feels about it, too.

    I think NHL teams averags 1-2 black players each. That would total about 45 or so black NHL players. But… they are not “African Americans.” They are “African Canadians!”

    RE: USSR & WWII:

    The USAAF & RAF Bomber Command arranged that when the Red Army got to Germany, the Reich was pretty much rubble. Also, the U.S. provided the USSR with food & war material. Spam– 10s of millions of cans.

    And by 1944, the Wehrmacht was still using mostly horse-drawn caissons… while the Red Army moved thither & yon in brand spanking new deuce & a half Ford trucks.

  246. Tina says:

    So, Quittens won’t endorse trump again.

    Quittens is lucky that his daily bs is masked by piglosi and the Drat house.

    Utah gave us a big downgrade when Romney replaced Hatch.

  247. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Bitterlaw says:

    June 8, 2019 at 3:58 am
    Tgca – I feel the same way about HHR. I have met MD, WVAlly and Walt in person. Walt looks much younger than an immortal being should.”

    Walt says to tell you he read your comment…and appreciates the compliment. He said he really enjoyed meeting you and your wife.


    “jason says June 8, 2019 at 8:24 am
    I am fine with a meeting as long as I can bring my llamas. I assume Cash Cow is coming too so it’s not like I am trying to be difficult.”

    Damn straight Cow will be there!
    But keep those llamas away from me…they spit.

  248. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…Chores: how to do 90% of them and make your wife think you did 100% Walt”

    Walt is down here working his arse off.

    They are selling their home of 50 years
    (built in 1966 and they bought in 1978) and
    moving about 6 miles away to a bigger home only 3 years old.

    The amount of work Walt has been doing to get his home in tip top shape to put it on the market is tiring me out just watching him…

    –electrical fixup work
    –minor plumbing work
    –putting in new door knobs
    –painting, caulking, staining
    –carpentry work
    –tree work with the chain saw to take down a couple trees and remove dead limbs from another
    –R/R insulation under the current house
    –packing and moving LOTS of st.uff to the storage units
    –being forced by his wife to sort through and throw away lots of HIS things
    –caulking small holes in the vinyl siding
    –yard work
    –cleaning out the garage, garden shed and storage area underneath the house
    –putting down new plastic vapor barrier in the crawl space

    He has made forty-eleven trips to Lowes for all sorts of construction supplies and now calls his car his “construction vehicle”.

    He says this move has taken 5 years off his life (as you all know he is no spring chicken),
    and believe me, life HAS been stressful around here…with the closing date on the new home FAST approaching…deadlines, deadlines, deadlines..

    I help him out sometimes when he occasionally is successful in discovering where I hide to avoid work.

  249. Tgca says:


  250. Bitterlaw says:

    If there is a HHR gathering, spouses are welcome.

    Jason – bring your llamas.