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Biden Leads Dems By 8% n IA

Last night CNN and The Des Moines Register released a new for the state of Iowa showing Joe Biden still pacing the field.

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (CNN/DMR)
Joe Biden 24%
Bernie Sanders 16%
Elizabeth Warren 15%
Pete Buttigieg 14%
Kamala Harris 7%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Michael Bennett 1%
Cory Booker 1%
Julián Castro 1%
John Delaney 1%
Tulsi Gabbard 1%
Jay Inslee 1%
Andrew Yang 1%
Steve Bullock 0%
Kirsten Gillibrand 0%
John Hickenlooper 0%
Seth Moulton 0%
Tim Ryan 0%
Eric Swalwell 0%
Marianne Williamson 0%
Bill de Blasio 0%
Wayne Messam 0%

This poll was done June 2-5 among 600 likely caucus goers. Meanwhile Rasmussen Reports continues to release their national match up polls showing Donald Trump up 8% n Bill de Blasio.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Rasmussen)
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Bill de Blasio (D) 38%

This poll was done May 26-June 6 among 5000 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:36 am
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262 Responses to “Biden Leads Dems By 8% n IA”

  1. Hugh says:

    Where and when is the gathering

  2. jason says:

    Good number for Warren in Iowa.

  3. jason says:

    I know everyone is anxious to know how I did on the Belmont.

    I bet the winner Sir Winston as a long shot, I thought it was good karma given the D-Day celebration, and missed winning the trifecta by about a quarter of a length for a big payoff of over $1000.

    I made back about half of what I invested in the Derby and Preakness.

    I want to thank everyone for their concern however.

  4. jason says:

    Thank you Bitter, for allowing me to bring my wife and llamas to the gathering, nor necessarily in that order.

  5. jason says:

    I have told my wife and the llamas about the possible gathering.

    The llamas showed no interest whatsoever, my wife said she is not going if Bunu is invited.

    I told her she would not have to attend Bunu’s seminar titled:

    “Final Solution: New Alternatives”

  6. Tina says:

    Nice update to the Biden Report.

  7. Tina says:

    Floppy Joe is beginning to drop in the polls.

    He is not even participating in the Drat invasion of Iowa this weekend.

    His campaign has some common similarities with Hillary’s.

    Poor attendance and infrequent events.

    Dude looks really old and creepy.

    Buttcheeks is surging in this poll.

  8. mnw says:

    Tina 8

    Absolutely agree.

    I share your impressions, particularly about Biden slipping.

    I just don’t think the DEMs are going to nominate an old white male whom they don’t especially like to begin with. I disagree with Wes in this regard. I doubt his recent flipflop on the Hyde Amendment impressed the reheats much. More likely it hilited their feelings that he’s not really one of them, & that he can’t be trusted.

  9. mnw says:

    sb “impressed the redhots”

  10. jason says:

    I still think Biden is the best candidate for the Dems.

    But Tina is right, Biden definitely takes two of the potential problems for Trump off the table.

    Age and creepy factors.

  11. jason says:

    The reality is the Dems have a weak field, and that is why Biden is the front runner. Their best bet is a creepy, gaffe prone, baggage ridden quasi octogenarian.

    I hope the Dems do not nominate Biden, Mayor Butt or a dark horse like Hickenlooper or Bullock or Bennett.

    Of their more viable candidates, I prefer to run against Sanders, then Warren, Booker and Beto. Harris not so much, I think she is dangerous.

  12. jason says:

    Dude looks really old and creepy”

    He is old and creepy.

  13. Wes says:

    The only problem with Jason’s logic is that Biden already survived the attempt to disqualify him with #MeToo allegations. His creepiness, plagiarism, not always toeing the Dem line—all have been factored into elections for decades now. That’s never stopped him.

    We’re past his honeymoon phase, and Biden still leads the pack—including the cause Celebrex of 2016, Bernie Sanders.

    People who think Dems are going to reject Biden are projecting what they want as a likely outcome. Dems aren’t worried about ideology. They want to win. That’s why Biden will be the nominee. None of the others—except maybe Mayor Pete—has the capacity to bring the industrial states back into the fold even with Trump’s unpopularity barring a Great Depression or Panic of 1893 situation.

  14. jason says:

    No real “attempt” has been make to disqualify Biden for creepiness, that is still to come. And the creepiness factor did not really play into any previous election, certainly it was not a factor in the only really disputed election Biden has had in decades, and then he was just the VP candidate. Outside of his first senate race, where he was an unknown, getting re-elected in Delaware was not really that difficult.

    His plagiarism actually DID factor into him having to pull out of a previous election, so wes is wrong on that too.

    However, wes is certainly right about Biden being the only one that could bring back the industrial states.

    I don’t deny Biden is the best the Dems have, but I do think he is vulnerable both in the primaries and the GE, and his age, creepiness and baggage will still be a factor.

  15. jason says:

    I clearly stated I think Biden is the candidate I least want to run against, so I am hardly dismissing him.

    But his baggage being already “factored in” this election, no.

  16. Wes says:

    It hasn’t been factored in if you haven’t been paying attention. He already survived #MeToo. His plagiarism has been public knowledge for 31 years. Dems have already groused about the Anita Hill hearings. His gaffes have been known about as long as his plagiarism. The only truly new thing is listlessness during his stump speeches.

    He’s still leading despite all that.

    It’s rather hard to argue his baggage—which is well known already—hasn’t been factored in. You can lie to yourself and say otherwise if you like, but the reality is different from your wine-and-roses scenario where the Democrat Party is under the iron grip of moonbats more concerned with ideology than victory. There’s exactly no evidence of that.

  17. Wes says:

    Jason, the reason you have convinced or are trying to convince yourself Dems will pass Biden over is that you know Trump will have his steepest Hill to climb for reelection if Biden is the nominee.

    That’s exactly why Dems will nominate Biden. They know he’s their best shot at taking Trump out. Ideology is a secondary consideration to victory.

  18. mnw says:

    Wes

    If electability trumps ideology, why did the DEMs nominate McGovern in ’72 instead of Muskie? You think they hated Nixon any less than Trump? I voted in that election, & I assure you they did not!

    Intensity counts, & Biden has none of the intense grassroots support the others have, as far as I can see. Incidentally, Biden reminds me of Dick Gephardt, for those of you who are old enough to remember his campaigns for POTUS.

  19. Hugh says:

    FWIW. I think Biden is where he is because he seems like he could win and he is viewed as not being a crazed socialist. So the crazed socialists ( the rest of the field) leads as group but joe gets everyone else. So far he has been an unimpressive gaffe machine while barely talking. As others drop out the majority of their votes goes to one of the more obvious nutbacks. If he gets the nomination he will be badly beat up and very beatable. But only if the economy holds.

  20. jason says:

    More evidence that Biden’s lead has a lot to do with name recognition and less about conviction.

    Beyond Biden’s lower overall support, the poll also suggests some warning signs for him beneath those numbers. His supporters are less apt than others to say they are “extremely enthusiastic” about him (29% vs. 39% for backers of all other candidates, and 43% among those backing his nearest competition in Sanders, Warren or Buttigieg). He also remains the best-known candidate in the field, suggesting he has less room to grow than other candidates who Iowa’s Democratic caucusgoers are still getting to know.”

  21. Wes says:

    If we’re going to go back 47 years to make a point, Mnw, maybe we should examine what exactly happened that year.

    Muskie has to deal with a forged letter claiming he made ethnically insensitive remarks against French Canadians, had to fend off allegations of crying during a campaign speech, saw his wife outed as a mean-spirited drunk, and generally came across as a wimp.

    That undermined his candidacy. I’m surprised for someone who voted in that election, you were ignorant of the circumstances that ensured Muskie wouldn’t become the nominee even though he appeared strong briefly against Nixon.

  22. Wes says:

    In contrast, Biden’s baggage is mostly old stuff while none of his opponents has captured the zeitgeist of the Dem Party as McGovern did with the anti-Vietnam fervor. Even Sanders is nowhere near as formidable as he was in 2016. He knows that too; hence why he filed for reelection to the Senate simultaneously upon entering the presidential primaries.

    None of the Dems this time is a McGovern as a dark horse accidental nominee or landslide loser. That’s really what the Trump crowd is hoping for. The Dems aren’t going to give it to them.

  23. jason says:

    He already survived #MeToo. His plagiarism has been public knowledge for 31 years.”

    There is ZERO evidence he has “survived Metoo”, the primaries and debates have not even started.

    He will survive it if the other candidates don’t bring it up. We shall see.

    Plagiarism forced him to withdraw as a candidate for the Presidency in the past, so again there is ZERO evidence that the public ignored it. And in fact it has come up again this week on his abortion plan. He is definitely vulnerable on it as an issue, both in the primaries and in the GE.

    wes’ argument that Biden’s baggage “doesn’t hurt him” is a straw argument, because running for the senate in Delaware is hardly the test for that. The true test comes in the debates, the primaries and the GE.

  24. jason says:

    Jason, the reason you have convinced or are trying to convince yourself Dems will pass Biden over is that you know Trump will have his steepest Hill to climb for reelection if Biden is the nominee.”

    Not at all.

    I already said I think Biden is the Dem’s strongest candidate.

    And I am not convinced he will be passed over. Nor am I convinced his baggage will not hurt him.

    I think it has hurt him already, I doubt there would be 20 candidates if he was perceived as invincible.

    I said the same about Jeb!, at the time I said the fact so many candidates were not worried about the juggernaut front runner with all the money, endorsements, organization, family name, etc. was a bad sign for him. It was.

    It’s not a good sign for Biden either.

  25. Wes says:

    Is Biden still in the primaries after those allegations, Jason?

    Is he still leading in all the key states after them?

    The answer is yes.

    Sanders—his strongest opponent—has actually lost ground since all that.

    That makes it pretty clear Biden has survived them. If an allegation doesn’t derail a candidate in a short period, it loses its potency and either diminishes in importance or becomes a nonfactor. See Trump, Donald J., and Access Hollywood.

  26. jason says:

    In contrast, Biden’s baggage is mostly old stuff ”

    Actually, no.

    The creepy stuff is relatively new, at least the fact it matter is relatively new. The age factor is new too, obviously.

    What is old is the plagiarism (maybe, new allegations could surface) and gaffes (maybe, new ones could surface).

  27. Wes says:

    Of course JEB! effectively became an also-ran as soon as Trump entered the race while Biden has continued to lead even after #MeToo.

    They’re not exactly comparable.

    If Dems had a Donald Trump figure who could marginalize Biden I’d agree with you. The problem is that one hasn’t emerged.

  28. jason says:

    Is Biden still in the primaries after those allegations, Jason?

    Is he still leading in all the key states after them?”

    Zzzzzzzz…

    More straw arguments. The campaign hasn’t even started yet.

    Biden has 24% in Iowa, and I bet most of that is name recognition.

    Hardly a sign “he has survived” anything.

    In fact, it might be a sign he hasn’t.

    The verdict is out.

  29. jason says:

    Of course JEB! effectively became an also-ran as soon as Trump entered the race”

    He was an also ran way before that.

    In fact, I always made the argument Trump probably would not have run if it looked like Jeb has a lock on the nomination.

    And I don’t think most of the Dems running now would have run if they thought Biden was a lock.

    They don’t.

  30. jason says:

    It’s fun speculating on Biden, we will know soon enough.

    We will see if the other Dems hand him the nomination or whether they explore his many vulnerabilities.

  31. Wes says:

    You always know when Jason can’t actually refute an argument because he posts the zzzzzzreflective of his inability to make a coherent reply.

    Of course it hasn’t started yet—at least in terms of voting—but Biden is still the person to beat. If Dems genuinely expected Biden to fail, one of the other candidates would be getting traction against him. No one has. It’s pretty clear the recent allegations were intended to undermine his support. That never happened.

    Biden is basically like Trump in 2016:

    He’s emerging as the frontrunner for the nomination early with others hoping his baggage will scuttle his hopes of being the nominee. They’ll still be hoping after he clinches the necessary delegates in 9-10 months.

  32. mnw says:

    Wes

    I remember the events you describe quite well. I don’t understand what you think I’m missing.

    It ill behooves YOU, of ALL posters, to belittle “the wayback machine”!!! Talk about lack of self-awareness!

    How many times have you invoked Smoot-Hawley from back in the 1930s, Wes? 100 times? or only 75 times since Trump put tariffs on China?

    I know… Smoot-Hawley is perfectly relevant today, but McGovern isn’t. /s

  33. Wes says:

    You brought McGovern up and acted as if Dems nominated him because they simply wanted the furthest left candidate they could find, Mnw.

    They nominated him because a series of unfortunate events caused Muskie to implode. The things that should have hurt Biden haven’t had that effect, and this cycle’s would-be George McGovern—Bernie Sanders—has already tacitly admitted he can’t win by filing for reelection to the Senate five years before his seat opens up.

    The two situations aren’t really comparable, but since you wanted to make the comparison, it’s only fair to look at everything that actually happened in 1972 rather than declare McGovern won strictly because he outmaneuvered his chief opponent for the nomination.

  34. Wes says:

    Seriously do you think if Sanders thought he’d win the nomination he’d already be running for re-election to a safe Senate five years before the seat opens up?

  35. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I tend to agree with The Hill’s analysis of Biden’s present standing:

    “Biden’s support is shaky

    In December, months before he even entered the race, nearly a third of Iowa voters said they backed Biden. Today, about six weeks after he announced he would run, Biden’s support has fallen by a third.
    Biden’s declining support came even before this week’s controversy over his flip-flop on the Hyde Amendment, which came after Selzer began fielding her poll.
    In December, 82 percent of Iowa Democratic voters said they saw Biden favorably; this month, that number is down to 72 percent of Democratic voters, a 10-point drop. His unfavorable ratings are up 9 points.
    And Biden’s backers are less enthusiastic about their chosen candidate than supporters of other candidates. Just 29 percent of Biden’s supporters say they are extremely enthusiastic about backing the former vice president. An average of 43 percent of Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg supporters say they are extremely enthusiastic about backing their chosen candidate.”

    Biden’s performance as a candidate has been shaky at best. He has flipped-flopped on issues several times, and avoided much public exposure. Being at 24% in the latest Iowa poll, only 8% behind Sanders, is a pretty dismal showing. Compare him with Trump, who is above 80% in many polls.

  36. Phil says:

    Biden isn’t a candidate that excites anyone. The thing Joe has going for him is that the other Democratic candidates don’t float anyone’s boat. He’s winning by default. Who else are they going to nominate? Mayor Butt? Spartacus? Pocahontas? Nope, the best thing Ol Joe has going for him is the rest of the Democratic field.

  37. Wes says:

    You’re right, Phil. Biden is winning because no one else has proved capable of expanding the Dems’ vote share. If Dems had a Bill Clinton waiting in the wings it would be different. Biden would be the next Adlai Stevenson.

    Of course comparing Biden’s polling in the primary to Trump’s—when Biden has multiple opponents, some with high name ID, while Trump faces one major opponent who last won an election in 1994, ran for Veep as a Libertarian, and all but endorsed Hillary—isn’t exactly a linear comparison.

  38. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    38. “Biden is winning because no one else has proved capable of expanding the Dems’ vote share.”

    Biden has not won anything yet. He has a lead in the polls, which is shrinking. That is all we know at this point. It is premature to now make infallible claims that he will be the Democratic nominee.

  39. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I live in an area of San Diego which usually votes about 80% Democratic. My state senator is President Pro Tem of the California Senate; my Assemblyman is Majority Whip of the State Assembly. I get a fairly good feel on how Democrats are leaning in California regarding the presidential election. There is no enthusiasm for Biden; and there appears to be no strong support for any one candidate. The elected officials are supporting Harris; there is still an active core of Bernie supporters. But no clear leader. At this point don’t know who will get the nomination — it will probably be determined by events that happen over the next year.

  40. jason says:

    The things that should have hurt Biden haven’t had that effect,”

    Zzzzzzz…..talk about “coherent” arguments.

    The right sentence here is “the things that could hurt Biden have not yet had an opportunity to do so yet”.

    Biden hasn’t “survived” a damm thing yet. Nothing, nada, zilch. The MSM is so far protecting him just like they protected Hillary (and Trump, btw, during the GOP primaries). However, if the other candidates pursue an aggressive attack on him, the MSM might not be able to shield him.

    Whether he survives his vulnerabilities is still a wide open question, and as SD points out, it’s way to early to state that either way.

  41. jason says:

    Huh, yet and yet?

    Distracted by the Portugal – Netherlands match for the EUFA Nations League final.

    For those interested, Portugal 1 Netherlands 0 with 3 minutes to go in game.

  42. DW says:

    Noticed in a Chick-Fil-A that the store required their male employees to wear grey shirts and female employees red shirts. A reminder that there is a difference between male and female no matter what the radical left says.

  43. Wes says:

    Interestingly infallible claims by Marv, DBlaikie, Phoenixrisen, and Gameboy that Trump—a President who has routinely averaged some of the worst approvals of any recent President—will win re-election don’t phase SDC. Declare Biden will win though, and SDC comes out of the woodwork with about 1000 passive-aggressive declarations that you can’t predict the future.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  44. Wes says:

    Jason goes into semantics forgetting the polls are the data points we currently have to evaluate the race on.

    They don’t show what he wants, so he has to fall back on a variant of the tired “The only poll that counts is on Election Day!” meme.

    Why am I not surprised?

  45. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have stated before I did not know if Trump would win reelection or not, and if the election were held today that Biden would be a slight favorite. I also did not think Trump would win in 2016. My position remains it is to early to tell; it could go either way.

  46. Tina says:

    Yeah way too early Sdc.

    Biden is dropping.

    He is dropping because he just reversed himself and is not in Iowa.

    Buttcheeks is surging.

  47. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    45. Wes, its interesting the your having this dialogue with Jason and I. Neither of us voted for Trump in 2016.

  48. jason says:

    “jason goes into semantics forgetting the polls are the data points we currently have to evaluate the race on”

    I am looking at the same polls.

    Biden has the most name recognition against a relatively weak field, where, as wes correctly points out, there is no really strong opponent yet. He is the Dem establishment favorite and is protected by the MSM. If he was a Republican, his age and baggage would be front and center. The fact he leads in most Dem polls is not a surprise, but it also does not mean he is inevitable.

    His poll numbers have weakened, not strengthened, since he announced, and the same polls that show him ahead also note his support is hardly enthusiastic. This shows that his lead is not very consolidated.

    I don’t think my assessment of Biden as a viable candidate is very different from wes. We both agree that if the Dems really want to win they should pick him. What is different is that he strongly believes that Biden’s vulnerabilities are behind him and that the Dems will necessarily pick their best candidate.

    I don’t believe either of those premises are true.

    Time will tell who is right.

  49. jason says:

    They don’t show what he wants, so he has to fall back on a variant of the tired “The only poll that counts is on Election Day!” meme.”

    Now you are just making sh-t up, show me where I ever said that. I have no problem with the polls showing Biden ahead, I have not questioned any of them, I just have a different interpretation on what these early polls actually mean.

    I said the Dem debates have not even started yet, let alone any primaries, so it’s way to early to anoint Biden the nominee or the GE winner.

    So stop lying about what I said and GFY.

  50. janz says:

    IMO, Biden enjoys a seemingly unflappable lead because he still appears to be the most “normal” candidate, with name recognition, among the odd collection of dems running for the presidency. So, Biden is being propped up because he is an easily controlled place setter, given a helpful pass by the Democrat press and Democrat party in soft-peddling all his foibles, with hopes that he will suffice enough to prevail against the controversial Trump to win the mushy moderates over in 2020.

  51. jason says:

    Whitey Bulger was a Trump supporter?

    The Dems might want to reconsider giving prisoners the right to vote.

  52. jason says:

    3 Amish children killed when 21 year old drunk driver hits buggy, ejecting the 7 occupants.

    The Amish won’t sue, they will view it as the will of God.

  53. CG says:

    The Cubs sweep the Cardinals!

    Nobody is going to be asking to hear Gloria tonight, so how about “Go Cubs Go?”

  54. VictrC says:

    My fear is that those of us who want Trump to win (for whatever reasons you have, even if it’s because you don’t want a Dem President) will hope that someone besides Biden (who is the clear front runner and currently the most likely to beat Trump) will win because we fear him.

    We did that in 2008 hoping that Obama would beat Hillary because he would be easy to beat and MCCain would never beat Hillary….only to find Obama to be the one who couldn’t be beaten and Hillary beaten by literally the worst candidate ever…well apparently the second worst.

    What if Biden really turns out to be the gaffe milquetoast weakling and the easiest to best after 18 months of exposure and someone else is really the hard one.

    Just a rambling thought.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    Congratulations to Ali Stroker for winning Best Featured Actress in a musical. She is from my hometown and acted in the company where I performed in shows in high school. Her dad was my high school gym teacher. When she was 2, she was paralyzed from the chest down in a car accident. Now she has a Tony Award. You can’t keep a Jersey girl down.

  56. dblaikie says:

    I must say I feel a touch sorry for Wes. However, not that sorry since he is the one who decided to claim that Trump has absolutely no chance for reelection right after the midterms. Who cares what is going to happen in the next two years. Unfortunately for him, Heraclitus is right, you never put your foot in the same river twice.

    To try and predict with certainty what is going to happen in 2020 is folly. But Wes won’t pull back. He will fume and fuss and point out all our inconsistency and lack of reasoned thought. Frankly I respect him for that. I also respect the fact that when he was wrong about Trump in 2016, unlike others, he faced the music and continued to post. Besides knowing the value of a good single malt I respect Jason for the same reason — among others.

    Oh well, to give my friend Wes something to fume about let me first say that unlike him I am not certain Trump is going to win. I THINK he will win. But if the economy turns south or something happens beyond our thought that undermines his solid base of support, Trump could lose. Second polls are data points but only data points for today. In two weeks this weeks GE polls will mean nothing. Who knows maybe the better data points are the election models that all point to a Trump victory.Third Uncle Joe is a weak candidate. My goodness he is in hiding. Frankly I don’t think he has the health or the brain power to survive politically in the next year.

  57. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. jason says:

    What if Biden really turns out to be the gaffe milquetoast weakling and the easiest to best after 18 months of exposure and someone else is really the hard one”

    This is entirely possible. It could be you would want Biden on the theory he will self destruct in the GE campaign.

    However, a candidate is basically what the MSM defines him/her to be.

    Biden is defined by the MSM as “normal”. As a friend of blue collar workers, etc. He will not be portrayed as what he is, a creepy gaffe machine whose shelf life expired years ago.

    So if Biden can smile and wave to the cameras and read a prepared script, the MSM will take care of the rest and package him as needed.

    For this reason I think he would not be allowed to self destruct, so to speak.

  59. Messy says:

    34: Y’all forgot that one or the main reasons that McGovern won the nomination that year was that George Wallace was shot. He’d won a bunch of primaries that year and was on track to, if not win outright, to force a multi-ballot convention.

  60. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    A good article about the non-compliance of Kiwis in handing-in their firearms after recent gun control legislation following the Mosque shooting.
    The same would happen in this Country.

    https://www.libertynation.com/kiwis-just-say-no-to-gun-ban/

  61. Phil says:

    McGovern won the nomination because Wallace was shot and was on track to win the nomination?

    Who knew? Messy, George Wallace was a zero threat to win the Democratic nomination. You pulled that one out of your ass which, of course, is your usual source of information.

  62. mnw says:

    RAS today: 50/48 & -5.

  63. Chicon says:

    Mnw, rough one last night. I was thinking of you while watching. One more to go. Keep the faith.

  64. Todd McCain says:

    Biden is not going to be the dem nominee. His 30 years of senate votes haven’t even begun to come back on him. Wait until Kamala Harris grills him; I doubt he can withstand the pressure.

  65. jason says:

    Yesterday wes and I were discussing whether Biden had survived Metoo.

    There is a flip side, will Metoo survive Biden?

    Because if he is given a pass, it will go from somewhat of a non-partisan movement that wasn’t afraid of going after a liberal icon like Weinstein, to more of another leftist movement with double standards like so many out there.

  66. Phil says:

    Biden looks incrementally weaker as a candidate each and every day – and this is while he hides from the public. Wait until he’s out there. Popcorn ready.

  67. mnw says:

    Chi

    I’m in deep denial today. I have the sadz.

  68. Phil says:

    Trump says “tariffs are a beautiful thing when we become the piggybank”

    Good Lord.

  69. jason says:

    The AFL-CIO conservatives will say Trump doesn’t actually like tariffs in 3, 2, 1…..

  70. jason says:

    Wow, you got to give it to Messy, she is not afraid to show how stupid and ignorant she is.

    George Wallace was going to win the Dem nomination?

    Huh, no.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    I am torn on the Stanley Cup. I think mnw is a good guy and it be great for him if the Blues win a title. However, I think their name is stupid and St. Louis does not have a cold enough winter to deserve an NHL team. On the other hand, I hate all Boston teams and their fans.

  72. Chicon says:

    The Trade Deadenders to say Trump really hoped Mexico wouldn’t play ball on immigration so he could permanently implement his beloved tariffs, in 3,2,1….

  73. jason says:

    Yes, we should support our HHR members when their teams make it to the finals. That is why I rooted for the Eagles so Bitter would have a reason to live and even the Cubs for Corey. So I hope the Blues win.

    However, Bitter is right. Blues? I mean, not as bad as Mighty Ducks, but….

    As far as St Louis not being cold enough, what about Anaheim and Arizona and…. huh, wait a sec, Ma, is that bait in the water?

  74. VictrC says:

    The reoccurring Tarriff war here whisks me back in time…

    Soon youll hear “that Damned Cleveland. I hope Harrison really takes it to Grover next year. On another topic, anyone here get that danged electricity in their house yet. “

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    Mexico’s “agreement” to work to limit illegal immigration into the US is as worthless as Iran’s “agreement” to not make nuclear weapons.

  76. jason says:

    I am sure Trump is disappointed he didn’t get to implement his beloved tariffs on Mexico but the AFL-CIO conservatives need not panic, there are over 200 countries in the world, so the potential is unlimited.

    And Chicon, do you mind making it Free Trade Deadender? Tks.

  77. mnw says:

    Trump doesn’t actually like tariffs.

    (There you go.)

    BL

    That certainly clarifies your NHL position!

    St. Louis had a major role in the birth of the blues, btw… & ragtime.

  78. jason says:

    exico’s “agreement” to work to limit illegal immigration into the US is as worthless ”

    Ya thinks?

    But hey, its good Kabuki theater.

    Trump will pretend he won, the Mexicans know they won because nothing will change, and the immigration deadenders will pretend we are winning by doing nothing on immigration as millions continue to pour over the border and CA just extended health benefits to illegals.

  79. Messy says:

    71. Wallace won Every state in the South plus Maryland and Michigan, he was LEADING in delegates on the day he was shot. He came in a close second in Wisconsin and did nearly that well in Pennsylvania. Two weeks AFTER he was shot, he nearly won New Mexico, and had a huge amount of support in the Southwest and West. He got nearly 400 votes at the convention.

    It ain’t stupid after all, kids.

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason knows that I am consistent on NHL teams. I would purge the league of the following warm weather teams:

    Carolina Hurricanes
    Florida – Panthers and Lightning
    LA Kings
    San Jose Sharks
    Nashville Predators
    Las Vegas Knights

    Jason and Ma can F off.

  81. jason says:

    St. Louis had a major role in the birth of the blues, btw… & ragtime.”

    Hmmmmm……

    Maybe we should change the Eagles to Pretzels? or Cheesesteaks?

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    Forgot to add Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Arizona Coyotes, and Dallas Stars.

  83. mnw says:

    I think this is funny. The sole sponsor of the upcoming Rolling Stones tour will be the Alliance for Lifetime Income, a financial services outfit that wants to sell stuff to aging Boomers.

    What, no beer? No cars? No cannabis products? Right! Annuties!

  84. VictrC says:

    OK… so I was thinking…(dangerous I know)….where are we heading. What does America look like in 2024 with a Trump win, what does it look like with a Trump loss.

    I ask because earlier it really took 20 years or so to see a President’s true affect on society, but like everything else, this has sped up tremendously. if you look at the US in 2008 before Obama, and society today, the shift is seismic. From Movies, to what’s acceptable in society, to even the view of socialism, its unrecognizable. In 2008 who would have thought “white male” would be a derogatory term. Who would have thought that we would be ok with giving benefits to illegals openly (CA), etc, etc.

    I never thought his (Obama’s) cabal of misfits that elected him (especially the second time) would lead to the tyranny of the minority that we live in now.

    Sooooo….where are we headed. What does America look like in 2024, better yet, 2029, ten years from now. Is it gloom and doom where weve devolved into a quasi socialist PC dominant society where even your thoughts can get you in trouble with the SJW, or does limited government conservatism make a comeback. Can we convince enough of the immigrant society that this is the better way of government for them?

  85. jason says:

    Wallace won Every state in the South plus Maryland and Michigan, he was LEADING in delegates on the day he was shot.”

    Sometimes certain facts don’t lead to certain conclusions.

    Wallace won the South and got a lot of sympathy votes the days after he was shot in MI and MD, but he wasn’t anywhere close to the nomination and the vast majority of states still to vote were not favorable to him.

    I still say you need to try to finish high school in a remedial program and then come back when you can post something semi-intelligent.

  86. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife bought tickets for The Rolling Stones tour. We have never seen them live and they probably only have 3 or 4 Final tours left.

  87. mnw says:

    A number of those “warm weather cities” get cold as hell, east coast chauvinists.

    Apparently you have confused Hand Slam Crisco (San Jose) & St. Louis with Honolulu.

    The next NHL expansion franchise will go to Seattle, btw. That has already been announced, I believe.

  88. jason says:

    Hey Bitter, is it ok for Iceland and Norway to have beach volleyball teams?

    Can landlocked countries have entries in surfing contests?

  89. VictrC says:

    Adding to the above. I think that those new first generation immigrants, even the kids of those who came here illegally can be converted to limited government provided that a. We begin to reach out to them and stop targeting them with insults, and b. Where I really think people start to feel the impact of taxes is when they start paying property taxes. We dont feel the impact so much from our paycheck when its taken directly out, but when property taxes skyrocket you directly feel it.

    In San Antonio a super liberal mayor, who won with well over 65% of the vote last time nearly lost re-election this weekend, in a SANCTUARY CITY because of property taxes. Our taxes (we live here and in Austin LORD HAVE MERCY) have more than doubled in the last four years, and people are feeling its impact all over the city, even in the more humble parts of town. For instance we have a rental property where the taxes went from $1800 a year four years ago to $4100 this year. (Dont ask about the property we live in, its insane). That may not seem like a lot, but when we raised the rent, people had to leave.

    Just saying this might be an issue to make inroads on.

  90. jason says:

    cold as hell”

    Good oxymoron.

  91. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – In 2029, the US will look….remarkably like it does now. Most people will get up, go to work, come home, wonder if Tom Brady will finally retire, and go to bed. There have been Americans predicting a gloomy future since 1775. It has never been as bad or good as predicted.

  92. jason says:

    And from the Women’s World Cup, much more interesting than hockey.

    Argentina 0 Japan 0 3 minutes remaining in the first half.

    USA opener tomorrow vs. Thailand.

  93. jason says:

    It will be the same, vic.

    The AFL-CIO conservatives will still be claiming that tariffs, which still won’t be working, will one day work on the theory they cannot fail forever.

  94. VictrC says:

    Bitter

    Not so much better or worse, as you’re correct. Much like everything else in life things never are as good or bad as you expect them to be. I mean, different. Life in the US, and world in general, is very different than it was 10, 20, 50 years ago, and its reflected in how the country (and local govts) are run.

    Jason

    Come now, guys racing up at up to 25 mph, bone crushing hits, etc is more exciting than watching women’s soccer. Heck, I think cricket might be right up there with women’s soccer.

  95. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzz. The best sport is softball from 6th grade up. The college championship went extra innings in the final game!

  96. jason says:

    “Come now, guys racing up at up to 25 mph, bone crushing hits”

    Barn raising is more exciting than hockey.

    Plus Amish maidens serve cider and shoofly pie, at hockey games you have to buy your own hot dog.

  97. jason says:

    In 2030 NYC will still be claiming that the best way to cure cancer in a patient is to first induce cancer in that patient.

    Or maybe he will be saying that the best way to promote free trade is to restrict free trade.

    Something like that.

  98. VictrC says:

    Back to 2019 then…

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-10/bernie-sanders-might-not-be-a-viable-2020-contender?srnd=premium

    This article seems to think Bernie’s chances are slim to none, especially given so many alternatives this time vs. just he and Clinton last time.

  99. NYCmike says:

    jason: “Now you are just making sh-t up, show me where I ever said that.”

    Also jason: “In 2030 NYC will still be claiming…..”

    -Notice that, in the first example, he wants the other poster to copy-and-paste the actual comment, yet, in the second example, no such copy-and-paste is used by him to prove his point.

    An A-Hole thru and thru……..put your boots on!

  100. NYCmike says:

    C+1

  101. NYCmike says:

    #73 – Exactly.

    For a guy who REALLY LOVES tariffs, Trump was pretty happy to make sure they were not implemented.

  102. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump accepted a bs promise from Mexico so he could pretend he won and not have to implement tariffs that would hurt Americans.

  103. Chicon says:

    Trump knowingly accepted a phony deal in order to avoid implementing the tariffs that he was so excited to implement?

    I love this place.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon – Maybe it was a rare occasion when Trump listened to somebody who said, “WTF are you doing? Mexico’s economy already sucks. You will only hurt the American economy.”

  105. Chicon says:

    Jason, your request to change Trade Deadender to Free Trade Deadender has been considered, but respectfully rejected. That label would suggest that said person is extremely dedicated to achieving free trade. Given your acceptance of the status quo with China, this name would be inappropriate.

  106. Chicon says:

    Bitter, or maybe he was simply using the threat of the Evil Tariffs as leverage to get help on immigration (whether they follow through, we shall see)?

  107. NYCmike says:

    “Trump accepted a bs promise from Mexico so he could pretend he won and not have to implement tariffs that would hurt Americans.”

    Coming to the HHR convention:

    A-Hole shaped pretzels! Get your A-Hole shaped pretzels HERE!!!!

  108. NYCmike says:

    A-Hole shaped pretzels: $2 for 1, $5 for 2 (tariff included).

  109. Waingro says:

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    California will become the first state to pay for some adults living in the country illegally to have full health benefits.

  110. NYCmike says:

    David Ortiz shot, and thankfully recovering.

    Thank God he wasn’t on 5th Avenue when it happened, or else I would have to forgive the shooter.

  111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump has given the Mexican president an excuse to crack down on illegal immigration; saying because of Trump he has no choice. Mexicans do not like Central American immigrants traveling through Mexico. Maybe the now discredited Mueller needs to open another investigation to see if there was collusion.

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    106. “Mexico’s economy already sucks.”

    When I was a kid; used to travel to Mexico and was horrified by the poverty. Now it has a large middle class, and a big industrial base. It still has horrible crime problems, and because of the drug cartels a lot of areas are unsafe. But it is night and day from what it was in the past.

  113. lisab says:

    helicopter crashed into nyc building

  114. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just an observation, I live about 10 miles from the Mexican border; we have a horrible homeless and transient problem, particularly in a nearly major park. The homeless are overwhelmingly Anglo, with also a large African-American presence. When the homeless riff-raff start harassing people, particularly women, in the neighborhood; Latino construction workers/store employees are the ones who rush to the rescue.

  115. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud now furiously trying to figure out how tariffs are actually free trade.

    Glenn Kessler
    @GlennKesslerWP

    ‘Tariffs are the answer’: Trump appears emboldened after economic brinkmanship with Mexico @DavidNakamura

  116. NYCmike says:

    #118 – wherein Robbie shows how many posts he reads that are written by other commenters……

  117. jason says:

    Robbie says:
    June 10, 2019 at 6:31 pm

    Jason fraud now furiously trying to figure out how tariffs are actually free trade.

    Glenn Kessler
    @GlennKesslerWP

    ‘Tariffs are the answer’: Trump appears emboldened after economic brinkmanship with Mexico @DavidNakamura”

    Poor Amoral Scumbag…..it must suck to have the moral compass of a floating turd…

    Here is what I wrote just this morning

    “Mexico’s “agreement” to work to limit illegal immigration into the US is as worthless ”

    Ya thinks?

    But hey, its good Kabuki theater.

    Trump will pretend he won, the Mexicans know they won because nothing will change, and the immigration deadenders will pretend we are winning by doing nothing on immigration as millions continue to pour over the border and CA just extended health benefits to illegals.”

    Yeah, I am a real proponent of tariffs.

    Amoral Scumbag is completely unhinged.

  118. NYCmike says:

    Between Robbie and jason, it is a real contest to see who makes the best pretzels.

  119. Tina says:

    The “threat” of Tariffs were the answer with the corrupt Mexican gubment,

    We don’t need their illegals.

    The next choice would be sending General Pershing to clear out the drug cartels.

    El Paso is a war zone as is parts of New Mexico.

  120. jason says:

    Bitter, or maybe he was simply using the threat of the Evil Tariffs as leverage to get help on immigration”

    I love this AFL-CIO conservative canard.

    Trump is not an isolationist and protectionist who thinks tariffs are a solution, he merely uses them as “leverage”.

    Shhhhhhhhh…. don’t let the cat out of the bag, lest the other parties find out Trump is merely using tariffs as “leverage”. Luckily, none of them have figured it out yet.

  121. Tina says:

    Both California and the jebots love their illegals.

    Treat them better than Americans. Give them social welfare.

  122. Tina says:

    Yes, let’s get some perp walks and indictments of comedy, McCabe, the commie, and the Penguin.

    Generally speaking, large offices suggest many attorneys, which suggests many indictments of the coup plotters.

    ed

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  123. jason says:

    “Trump accepted a bs promise from Mexico so he could pretend he won and not have to implement tariffs that would hurt Americans.”

    LOL… exactly.

    I give Trump credit for being pretty good at Kabuki Theater.

  124. jason says:

    s so large that office space is being freed up for his “team” in Washington”

    There should be plenty of space over at Mueller’s office….

  125. jason says:

    I take focus groups with a grain of salt… but FWIW…

    “The importance of Pennsylvania for Donald Trump in 2020 can’t be understated. If Trump wins in Pennsylvania, he could lose Wisconsin and Michigan and still win reelection if the rest of the map remains unchanged. So the Trump campaign got some great news from the latest Engagious/FPG focus group of Erie, Pennsylvania, swing voters who switched from Obama to Trump in 2016: They appear to be sticking with him again this election.

    Alexi McCammond at Axios calls their loyalty to Trump “a wakeup call to all 2020 Democrats, but especially Joe Biden, since he’s banking heavily on his ability to win the state.”

  126. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – I have cases with illegal alien workers. I am not allowed to ask their immigration status. Well, I can ask but in PA they are not required to answer. This may offend Tina, but they generally are hard working. That does not mean I want them here. They should not be allowed in the country. They should be deported.

  127. NYCmike says:

    jason/Bitterlaw logic:

    Trump, a person who fervently believes in tariffs, was really miffed about the fake cave-in by the Mexican government, but had to rescind the threatened tariffs because he was worried about the negative press he would get if he didn’t follow thru with his promise.

  128. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC Logic – NYC says that he does not generally support tariffs. He supports all of Trump’s tariffs.

  129. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I totally support tariffs NOT BEING PLACED on Mexican products.

  130. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    WHY weren’t tariffs placed on Mexican products?

  131. jason says:

    Trump called tariffs “a beautiful thing” today but NYC still thinks he doesn’t believe in them.

    Hilarious.

  132. jason says:

    NYC says that he does not generally support tariffs. He supports all of Trump’s tariffs.”

    We saw this when it turned out Trump funded Chuck Schumer for decades.

    This was not a problem for NYC.

    Marco Rubio shaking hands with Schumer? RINO traitor!

  133. jason says:

    I have yet to see one core principle NYC has not sold out on to defend Trump.

    Helping elect liberal Democrats? Check

    Protectionism and isolationism? Check

    Massive tax increases on middle and lower income Americans? Check

    Massive spending bills? Check

    Democrat pork barrel projects disguised as “infrastructure”? Check

    The hypocrisy on tariffs is astounding. Originally, he supported using tariffs as a “negotiating stance” despite being “against tariffs”. Then he evolved to actually supporting the implementation of tariffs and the resulting tax increases. Now, he is supporting tariffs against Mexico which don’t even have anything to do with trade, but with immigration.

  134. NYCmike says:

    jason wrote this at 9:40 PM:

    “Now, he (NYCmike) is supporting tariffs against Mexico which don’t even have anything to do with trade, but with immigration.”

    I (NYCmike) wrote this at 8:30PM:

    “I totally support tariffs NOT BEING PLACED on Mexican products.”

    Either I invented a time machine, or Something tells me he (jason) is “translating” again!

  135. NYCmike says:

    “Massive spending bills? Check”

    -This one is the best.

    Trump proposed, debated, voted on, put it through both chambers of Congress, walked it to his own desk, signed it into law……WITH ZERO HELP FROM REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS!!

  136. NYCmike says:

    Trump is TERRIBLE when it comes to signing ridiculously YUGE spending bills……….hmmmmm, how was Dubya in that regard?

  137. Tina says:

    I heart illegals. Screw the legal ones trying to come in by the book.

    -Jebots.

  138. Tina says:

    Trump also called the Chinese and Mexican chamber of commerce corrupt.

  139. JeffP says:

    #125 Tina…pass the popcorn. The corruption is so deep and wide there is going to be serious sh*t going on. Even the FAKE news propagandists won’t be able twist it into their lies. I think Barr and even Wray know they are in a position that justice must be served on their watch or the republic be damned! Loved Barr’s CBS interview…he knows he is the man to take this on. Forget Biden…he will be toast after this shows how corrupt BHO and his administration was. The Dems are clearly panicked.

  140. Cash Cow TM says:

    As to the first annual HHR gathering of the Hoggers, I propose in be in Harpers Ferry, WV.
    #########################
    Many advantages…

    –Easy for WVally, Walt and Cash Cow to attend.
    (I know it is a long distance for the Chicago posters like Chicon and CA posters like Tina and SDC, but hey…someone has to make the long trip sacrifice…)

    –lisab could come and bring the bell the Northerns stole from there during the civil war

    –Robbie and Marv could both fly in at either the Martinsburg airport or the Hagerstown, Md airport close by

    –we could all also go white water rafting on the Shenandoah River (but please put all the soccer fans in one raft and the ice hockey fans in another and Cow in neither since talk of those so called sports irritates the poop out of me)

    –we could all go gambling at Hollywood Casino Races and Slots

    –we could take a side trip to one of the many “gentlemen’s clubs” near Martinsburg (to please Wes)

    –we could visit Historic (and very big gay community) Shepherdstown, WV (tgca and other similarly situated HHR posters would like that)

    –could take a bus trip the 55 miles down to D.C. to see Trump and share our collective wisdom with him on how to run the country and demonstrate in front of the Supreme Court building regarding the abortion issue

    –Not too far for Bitter and jason (and his damn llamas) to come

    –not too far for Dave Wissing to drive, if he has cleaned up all the fallen tree damage at his place.

    –could go over to Sharpsburg. Md to tour the Antietam battlefield and re-fight the Civil War–and then stop by for a treat at Nutter’s Ice Cream parlor.

    –for the tree huggers, like lisab, we could take a leisurely stroll on the C & O canal on the MD side of Potomac River…and Walt could show Bitter where the PA Corn Regiment crossed the river only to be cut to pieces by the Rebels retreating from Battle of Antietam.

    I hope Scooterboy can come…

    –if we have it SOON, you could all help Walt move into his new home (closing end of June).
    ********************
    Say…maybe NYCmike could bring one of his trucks to help Walt move??

  141. Cash Cow TM says:

    If we have the HHR gathering, I suggest we just not tell ProudObamaCon and Bubu bout.

    If they complain, we could say later say their invitation musta got lost in the mail…

  142. Cash Cow TM says:

    For those keeping tabs, Walt cleaned most of the garage today in preparation for getting his house on the market.

    What a mess!

  143. VictrC says:

    Count me in. I’d traverse any obstacle (or airport) to. Come to an HHR gathering.

    Honestly, it would be a pretty interesting affair. Sorry TGCA you are NOT in charge of the food…much as I love ya.

  144. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    143.Moonshine. You forgot to mention moonshine. There has to be some good moonshine. Am not traveling all the way from California to West Virginia without it. If California can legalize marijuana, West Virginia can legalize moonshine; it could become a craft industry.

  145. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

  146. Wes says:

    NYCmike says:
    June 10, 2019 at 9:51 pm
    “Massive spending bills? Check”

    -This one is the best.

    Trump proposed, debated, voted on, put it through both chambers of Congress, walked it to his own desk, signed it into law……WITH ZERO HELP FROM REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS!!

    I guess Mikey has never heard of a veto.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – NYC thinks Presidents have no influence on legislation. He loved the Tip O’Neil tax cuts of the 1980s.

  148. Chicon says:

    Kevin Durant pops an Achilles tendon last night and some Toronto fans cheer and wave, causing a social media thing. Meanwhile, Philly fans say “what’s the big deal?”

  149. Tina says:

    Did we learn anything from the John Dean hearing in the house.

    Remember, he is not a witness.

  150. jason says:

    “Trump proposed, debated, voted on, put it through both chambers of Congress, walked it to his own desk, signed it into law……WITH ZERO HELP FROM REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS!!”

    This IS one of the best.

    I am going to stop paying my mortgage.

    After all, the bank prepared all the documents with no help from me, all I did was sign them.

    I certainly bear no responsibility for the consequences.

  151. jason says:

    Dean is a paid political hack for the MSM.

    They should have played back some of the comments he made accusing Trump of wrongdoing way before the Mueller Report and asked him if came to those conclusions before or after the report.

    Then when he was forced to say before the report, they could have asked him how much he was paid for them.

    Of course the, “70’s want their star witness back” comment was great.

  152. jason says:

    “I totally support tariffs NOT BEING PLACED on Mexican products.”

    There is an easier, clearer, more believable, less convoluted way of saying this:

    “I totally oppose Trump’s tariffs on Mexico”.

  153. jason says:

    Paulbot resigns from Freedom Caucus.

    Good riddance.

  154. jason says:

    I am ok with WV, Martinsburg is only an hour from here in an English vehicle or 7 hours by buggy.

  155. Bitterlaw says:

    I prefer Philadelphia because MD might attend. Well, attend may be a strong word. He could stand outside our hotel screaming GFY.

    I will go to WV. Wes may boycott over its illegal creation.

  156. mnw says:

    Booker compares border security to “turning away people fleeing the holocaust.”

  157. Wes says:

    I would boycott WV because I’ve seen planarians smarter than the people in that state.

  158. jason says:

    wes, you can go because your presence in the state will raise the average IQ so much it won’t be a problem anymore.

  159. Bitterlaw says:

    What about Philadelphia, Wes? Walt can show is where he carved “King George can suck it” in Independence Hall in 1776.

  160. jason says:

    I wish Booker would win the nomination.

    Trump would win 40 states.

  161. jason says:

    Isn’t Philadelphia pro-abortion, pro-sanctuary and pro-cheez whiz?

    This could be a problem for the true conservatives and the food snobs.

  162. Wes says:

    An IQ of 1 would significantly raise the average West Virginian IQ, Jason.

  163. jason says:

    I don’t think EML would be caught dead in a city that puts cheez whiz on a sandwich.

  164. Wes says:

    I wouldn’t mind visiting Philly for a day or so.

  165. jason says:

    This forum, even excluding the trolls, never agrees on anything, so it’s going to be a challenge to agree on the reunion site.

    I mean let’s face it, we can’t even agree on such universally accepted givens such as Presidents who sign bills are responsible for their enactment, or that Lincoln was the greatest President, or that deep dish pizza sucks, or that llamas are the cutest animals.

  166. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes is always welcome.

    EML would find many excellent restaurants here. I don’t go to them but I hear they are great.

  167. jason says:

    I wouldn’t mind visiting Philly for a day or so.”

    Bitter, what do you think of a reception at the A-hole Club?

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    While I often agree with Jason, the llama is the poor man’s alpaca. Alpaca’s are adorable.

  169. jason says:

    Women’s World Cup

    Netherlands 1 New Zealand 0
    Chile 0 Sweden 0 first half

    USA opener against Jamaica at 3 PM

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    The A-hole clubhouse would be perfect. We just need to get Scooter back to valet park the cars.

  171. jason says:

    Bitter is indeed a learned man.

    He knows the difference between an alpaca, a guanaco, a llama and a vicuña.

  172. jason says:

    Scooter is a little gun shy after the Kim episode.

    But he should take solace that everyone knows that what happens in the A-hole Club kitchen stays in the A-hole kitchen.

  173. jason says:

    Looks like David Ortiz was shot because he was sleeping with a drug lord’s wife.

    Even wes knows better than that.

  174. jason says:

    I can leave one llama with Bitter and one with Tgca so neither feels left out.

  175. Cash Cow TM says:

    Wes says:

    “I would boycott WV because I’ve seen planarians smarter than the people in that state.”

    ***************************
    BUT…WV is ( (as far as I know) the only state that has talking cows…

  176. NYCmike says:

    “Say…maybe NYCmike could bring one of his trucks to help Walt move??”

    -We can do it, as long as Walt doesn’t try to stick us with any of those piles of rocks/minerals he has around the yard!

  177. NYCmike says:

    #149 / #150 / #153

    Wherein more regulars show they don’t read other peoples comments……or…..I am trying to deny the existence of that time machine I invented…..

    NYCmike says:
    June 10, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Trump is TERRIBLE when it comes to signing ridiculously YUGE spending bills……….hmmmmm, how was Dubya in that regard?

  178. NYCmike says:

    “Looks like David Ortiz was shot because he was sleeping with a drug lord’s wife.”

    -Trump should invite him to the White House to compare notes from their dalliances…….

  179. NYCmike says:

    “Netherlands 1 New Zealand 0”

    -Another high-scoring game!

  180. jason says:

    Trump was sleeping with a drug lord’s wife too?

    Dang…

    Amoral Scumbag will weigh in soon….

    NYC has to be a better source than his hero Avenatti…

  181. jason says:

    Trump is TERRIBLE when it comes to signing ridiculously YUGE spending bills”

    Wow, it almost sounds like NYC for a fleeting nanosecond was going to say Trump was wrong on something but then at the last moment he just couldn’t do it.

    He went with “terrible”, probably after considering “annoying”.

  182. NYCmike says:

    jason wants me to say it was “wrong” for Trump to sign the spending bills, instead of TERRIBLE.

    If Trump does veto the bills, and the government shuts down, then people like jason, Wes, Bitterlaw, etc complain that shutdowns are TERRIBLE for the Republican Party.

    I think I need to send jason another Hillary mug.

  183. DW says:

    Here is the Mets’ season in a nutshell. Zach Wheeler pitching for them today against the Yankees. Obvious he doesn’t have his best stuff, but nonetheless, the Mets jump out to a 4-1 lead. You might think the Mets’ manager would see this as a chance to win a game, but instead leaves Wheeler out there first to let the game get tied at 4, then give up a 3-run homer, AND THEN, sends him back out there for yet another inning where he gives up TWO MORE runs.

    Callaway has to go. This is embarrassing. Mets have way too much talent to keep finding absurd ways to lose.

  184. NYCmike says:

    “Trump was sleeping with a drug lord’s wife too?”

    -No.

    It seems you like to add your own little narratives…..

  185. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    Callaway has been getting hammered for pulling his starters too early, and over-working the bullpen.

    Personally, I didn’t like the choice of Callaway to begin with, but the NY media is once again hammering a manager for any decision he makes, when it goes wrong. Sometimes, the players just need to perform better.

  186. DW says:

    188 – These are athletes. I don’t buy the argument they get over-tired. Baseball is won by meticulous attention to stats and maximizing your probability for success at each moment throughout a game.

    The famous 1988 World Series homer by Kirk Gibson was the result of such meticulous work by one of the coaches who had noticed exactly what Eckersley would throw in a given pitch count. As such, Gibson remembered what that coach had preached to them, and sat on the breaking ball that was thrown, and lined it into the seats for one of the most famous homers in World Series history.

  187. jason says:

    “-No.

    It seems you like to add your own little narratives….”

    Here is what you wrote…

    -Trump should invite him to the White House to compare notes from their dalliances…”

    If I say Ortiz was sleeping with a drug lord’s life and you say he should compare notes with Trump, is seems like it was YOUR narrative.

    GFY.

  188. mnw says:

    It’s obvious that STL is the perfect place for the meetup. It’s in the middle of the country, so it’ll be convenient for everybody!

  189. NYCmike says:

    I don’t disagree in theory.

    BUT, when you are speaking about bringing in long relievers, and the starters are being pulled in the 4th inning, you are then dealing with athletes of a different caliber. In a situation like that, with another game in a couple of hours, and especially with a player like Wheeler who has been pretty consistent this year, I would give Callaway a break here. Wheeler has to figure out how to get out of that inning.

  190. CG says:

    St. Louis is boring.

  191. jason says:

    If Trump does veto the bills, and the government shuts down, then people like jason, Wes, Bitterlaw, etc complain that shutdowns are TERRIBLE for the Republican Party.”

    Wow, gets the intellectual dishonesty prize of the day.

    I said shutting down the government over funding for the border wall was stupid and a political loser, and it was.

  192. DW says:

    192 – I can buy the argument up to the point of the three-run homer. But sending him out there for yet another inning when its 7-4? I suppose he shifted into mop-up mode thinking.

    The Mets need another Tony LaRussa to take the helm.

  193. NYCmike says:

    “compare notes from their dalliances…”

    -“their” being the operative word.

    Ortiz could speak about the drug lords wife, Trump could speak about the porn star, the Miss America, his fantasy with Ivanka, and shooting people on 5th Ave.

    NOWHERE did I say that Trump slept with a drug lords wife.

  194. NYCmike says:

    “The Mets need another Tony LaRussa to take the helm.”

    -I say bring in Wally Backman!!

    Booz and babes in the clubhouse again!

  195. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Justin Amash(R-MI) may lose his GOP House primary. Good riddance if he does!

    “MIRSnews.com @MIRSnews
    Independent PPC polling finds @justinamash down 49%-33% to @RepJimLower in MI-3 GOP primary.”

  196. NYCmike says:

    “I said shutting down the government over funding for the border wall was stupid and a political loser, and it was.”

    -Yeah, so many voters remember that and bring it up in conversation every day!

  197. NYCmike says:

    “Trump could speak about the porn star, the Miss America, his fantasy with Ivanka, and shooting people on 5th Ave. ”

    -“CG”,

    That was for you!

  198. Waingro says:

    “Non-partisan” prognosticator predicting DOOM for Trump based on recent polling.

    (((Harry Enten)))
    ?
    Verified account

    @ForecasterEnten
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    IDK what the next 1.5 years will hold. (I have guesses.) What is clear to me is that Trump would very likely lose an election held today.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/politics/trump-2020-reelection-against-joe-biden-analysis/index.html

  199. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/trump-campaign-considering-putting-resources-in-oregon/

    -Mr. M. Straw’s dream to become a reality!?!?

    Break out the salmon coat for the salmon spawning run!

  200. CG says:

    mnw could then join Trump and David Ortiz, and discuss Chuck Connors’ genitals for hours.

  201. CG says:

    203. Translation= hush money from the campaign has to be paid to someone in Oregon

  202. NYCmike says:

    “203. Translation= hush money from the campaign has to be paid to someone in Oregon”

    -Translation: “CG” really really really does NOT want a Democrat to take over the White House!

  203. NYCmike says:

    Discuss:

    Unions first responsibility is to their members, and then to the country.

    Chamber of Commerce first responsibility is to their members, and then to the country.

  204. mnw says:

    I’m certain Amash had privately decided not to run again BEFORE he announced his support for impeachment. A child of seven could’ve predicted that he’d lose the next GOP primary after saying that.

    RAS today is 49/49 & -4.

  205. NYCmike says:

    Rumors flying that Robbie and “CG” will spearhead the #NeverTrumpersForAmash campaign!

  206. NYCmike says:

    I think MD’s wife is the one wearing the pants:

    Michael D Pioneers
    ? @formmb
    Apr 11

    “Note to Trumpers – if you want to jump in my feed – fine. Please note that if you question my “manners” I will mock you then block you just for fun. All morons and hypocrites of which you are both will be dealt with accordingly.”

  207. NYCmike says:

    Every time I look up MD and Author’s twitter feed I can’t help but smile!

  208. CG says:

    Author worships Godzilla the way that NYC worships Trump.

  209. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/leftism-makes-people-meaner-reflections-on-the-torture-of-paul-manafort/

    -Bitterlaw,

    Prager always makes good points. I may have to amend my answer about tax frauds.

  210. NYCmike says:

    “Author worships Godzilla the way that NYC worships Trump.”

    -I worship Trump the way “CG” worships the candidate who will win if Trump does not.

  211. NYCmike says:

    BUT, of course, “CG” does NOT want the Democratic candidate to win.

  212. jason says:

    I am sure NYC is getting excited…

    High scoring game!

    USA 7 Thailand 0 midway second half

  213. CG says:

    Should the USA “pad” their Thai score?

  214. jason says:

    I have always called Amash what he was, a Paulbot using the R label to get elected.

    However, some of the true conservatives here insisted in defending him because he was a member of the so called Freedom Caucus.

    I always said he was my least favorite congressman just like Rand Paul is my least favorite senator.

  215. jason says:

    Should the USA “pad” their Thai score?”

    Not bad….

    And the answer is yes, 8-0

  216. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/desmond-napoles-gender-identity-ideology/

    -a neighborhood in Brooklyn has a current fight about library drag queen readings……it seems like a full-on assault.

  217. NYCmike says:

    They went for a 2-point conversion instead of the extra point?

    Is Tebow on the team?

  218. NYCmike says:

    “I always said he was my least favorite congressman just like Rand Paul is my least favorite senator.”

    -Since you and Wes like to mention these types of scores when you like the politician…….What are their ACU ratings?

  219. jason says:

    Ok, so I feel bad for the Thais…

    10-0

  220. jason says:

    When you say a nuclear Iran is not a threat and blame your own country for 9/11 you can have an ACLU rating of 150 and you are still scum.

  221. CG says:

    “blame your own country for 9/11”

    “you are still scum.”

    Hmmm. Where have I heard that before?

  222. jason says:

    13-0

    I don’t want to hear soccer is too low scoring BS again.

  223. jason says:

    There is a restaurant called Pad Thai near Harrisburg.

    I should go there for dinner to show solidarity to the owners.

  224. NYCmike says:

    Like I said earlier…jason pushes his own narratives…..

  225. jason says:

    NYC loves that ostrich syndrome when it comes to Trump and Rand Paul.

    But fortunately, we have the quote straight from the horse (ass) mouth.

    “Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) denied that a nuclear Iran would pose a national security threat to the United States or Israel in a 2007 radio interview with talk show host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

    “Even our own intelligence community consensus opinion now is that they’re not a threat. Like my dad [Rep. Ron Paul] says, [the Iranians] don’t have an Air Force, they don’t have a Navy,” said Paul, according to a recording of the interview. “You know, it’s ridiculous to think they’re a threat to our national security.”

    “It’s not even that viable to say they’re a national threat to Israel,” Paul added. “Most people say Israel has 100 nuclear weapons, you know.”

  226. NYCmike says:

    Never denied what Paul said, simply pointed out that he has said different things at different times……..you, in your denial, will NEVER allow that his view is more nuanced than you say.

    Typical “deadender” behavior.

  227. jason says:

    More “narrative pushing”

    “But in an interview with Politico, Rand praised the elder Paul’s radical speech on Sunday, which promoted the “blowback” theory, blasted “neocons,” and suggested that the U.S. invited the 9/11 attacks:

    The younger Paul shares his father’s foreign policy broadly, and he praised him especially Sunday for talking about the convent “blowback” – the concept that U.S. meddling overseas can lead to terrorist attacks.

    “Had he not talked about blowback I don’t know anyone ever would have,” he said. The younger Paul boasted in the interview that he received standing ovations from the packed crowd, some of whom were chanting “Paul 2016.”

  228. jason says:

    ou, in your denial, will NEVER allow that his view is more nuanced than you say.”

    Hello?

    Where is the nuance?

    “You know, it’s ridiculous to think they’re a threat to our national security.”

  229. jason says:

    Rand Paul does not think Iran is a threat to Israel.

    “It’s not even that viable to say they’re a national threat to Israel,” Paul added

    Where is the nuance”

  230. jason says:

    Like my dad [Rep. Ron Paul] says, [the Iranians] don’t have an Air Force, they don’t have a Navy,” said Paul

    Where is the nuance?

    “Iran has 3 Russian-built Kilo-class submarines patrolling the Persian Gulf. Iran is also producing its own submarines.”

    “During 2000, the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy Aviation significantly improved its capability by taking delivery from Russia, of a number of Mi-8 AMT (Mi-171) transport/attack helicopters. Under a contract signed in 1999, Russia agreed to supply 21 Mi-171s to Iran. Delivery was completed in 2001; although the exact number destined for the navy was unknown. In summer 2001, there were indications that Iran would order a further 20 Mi-171s, although as of mid-2004, it was not known if this had occurred.”

    On 22 February 2008, the Iranian Defense Ministry announced that 74 domestically produced “gunboats” (small missile boats) had entered service with the Iranian Navy.

    Iran’s Deputy Navy Commander Captain Mansour Maqsoudlou announced in February 2010 that Iran has begun planning to design, and manufacture domestically built aircraft carriers.

    In 2012, Iran overhauled one of the Kilo-class submarines in its possession, IRS Younis. Iran was able to complete this re-haul at Bandar Abbas naval base. In addition the Iranian Navy has modernized and re-commissioned the 1,135-ton Bayandor-class corvettes; equipped with Noor anti-ship cruise missiles and torpedo launchers.

    Another modern frigate named Sahand, with 2,000 tons displacement is being fitted up with weapons and equipment in Bandar Abbas naval base; planned for launch in 2013.”

    I could go on, but the claim that Iran has no Navy is a complete joke. I won’t even start on the Air Force.

  231. jason says:

    simply pointed out that he has said different things at different times”

    LOL.

    That is where you get “nuance”?

    I ask you again.

    Exactly where is the nuance if you say Iran poses no threat to the US or Israel?

  232. NYCmike says:

    In the Facebook link, here is what Rand Paul said:

    The proposed agreement with Iran is unacceptable for the following reasons:

    1) sanctions relief precedes evidence of compliance
    2) Iran is left with significant nuclear capacity
    3) it lifts the ban on selling advanced weapons to Iran

    I will, therefore, vote against the agreement.

    While I continue to believe that negotiations are preferable to war, I would prefer to keep the interim agreement in place instead of accepting a bad deal. Please help share this news.

  233. NYCmike says:

    Again, I have not denied anything that jason has written. I don’t agree with some of Rand Paul’s statements about Iran, Israel, etc.

    BUT, to only acknowledge those statements without accepting that other statements have been made……who exactly is playing the ostrich?

  234. jason says:

    Nice dodge, but we are not talking about the Iran agreement.

    We are talking about the fact that Rand Paul stated that a nuclear Iran is not a threat to the US or to Israel.

    That Iran did not even have a Navy or an Air Force.

    I want to know what “nuance” there is in the following statement, whether you agree with it or not.

    “You know, it’s ridiculous to think they’re a threat to our national security.”

    or

    “It’s not even that viable to say they’re a national threat to Israel,”

    Where is the nuance?

    I want to know how you think these statements should be interpreted differently from how I interpret them?

  235. jason says:

    BUT, to only acknowledge those statements without accepting that other statements have been made…”

    I don’t think anyone who made those statements should be in office, no matter “what other statements were made”.

    It’s pretty clear he stated a nuclear Iran was not a threat to the US or Israel.

    It’s not like the statement could be interpreted any other way, we are not talking “nuances”.

    It’s a categorical and unequivocal statement.

  236. NYCmike says:

    His statement on Facebook directly deals with Iranian nuclear capacities, and he says that they are unacceptable.

    I have not doubted he said what you said he said.

    Why don’t you consider other statements he has made which contradict your narrative about him?

  237. NYCmike says:

    In other news, in the 2nd game of the Mets-Yankees doubleheader, Mets are up 3-0 in the first inning.

    Great managerial move by Callaway to bat Pete Alonso 3rd! He hit a HR after the first 2 players got on base.

    There are calls for the Yankee manager to be fired due to his refusal to pull a pitcher who clearly was laboring.

  238. jason says:

    I have not doubted he said what you said he said.”

    Sure you have.

    You don’t believe he meant what he said.

    You are making up this “nuance” crap when there is no nuance whatsoever, his statements are clear as day.

    His opposition to the Iran treaty, for whatever reasons (usually grandstanding), don’t contradict my narrative at all, because my narrative is based 100% on his own statements.

    Why is it “my narrative” when I am quoting him directly?

  239. NYCmike says:

    “Why is it “my narrative” when I am quoting him directly?”

    -Because whereas I have not disputed the statements you posted, you refuse to acknowledge the other statements where “I am quoting him directly” which say something different than your narrative about him.

    How many times do I have to point out your willful ignorance of his other statements?

  240. NYCmike says:

    Why are your panties in such a bunch over this?

    Rand Paul won’t be President anytime soon, neither you or me are promoting him for President, and both of us agree he has said some really silly things.

  241. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just watched a Biden speech at a campaign rally in Iowa. Biden is not a good speaker, and clearly shows his age. Its sort of a grandpa rambling. Very unimpressed.

  242. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden has the charisma of Jeb Bush.

  243. NYCmike says:

    “Biden has the charisma of Jeb Bush.”

    -Please clap!

  244. DW says:

    here we go again. Mets have a 6-0 lead in the third, but their pitcher has nothing tonight. But Callaway will leave him in there until the 6-0 lead is gone. And the Mets have tomorrow off to rest. He should go to the bull pen NOW to save the game.

  245. jason says:

    You are the one who got all riled up that I said Amash was my least favorite congressman and Paul my least favorite Senator.

    Since neither of them are Republicans or conservatives, I wish they would both leave the GOP and stop using it to get elected under false pretenses.

  246. jason says:

    How many times do I have to point out your willful ignorance of his other statements?”

    Hello?

    I quoted him directly, there is no “narrative” involved.

    There is nothing in his “other statements” that “erases” what I quoted him saying. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

    “You know, it’s ridiculous to think they’re a threat to our national security.”

    Again, I want to know where the “nuance” is in this statement and I want to know why its “my narrative” to quote him directly.

  247. DW says:

    Yep…its just like I said…now 6-1 Mets, and the Yankees still have bases loaded and no one out. Callaway just sits on his hands.

  248. Victrc says:

    DW Callaway ha to go no matter what. He’s not getting the job done and he has no presence, no control.

    I’ve always thought about what the Mets could have done in the mid-00’s if someone like Bochy had been manager. Bet they would have won 1 or 2 rings from 05-10 with that squad which found a way to blow every single lead and big game

  249. Bitterlaw says:

    Rand Paul does not give a damn about Israel. 2+2=4. Both are true.

  250. jason says:

    “And both of us agree he has said some really silly things.”

    Of course, saying that Iran is not a threat is beyond “silly”, and the fact you are trying to downplay its significance shows how clueless you are that this guy should never be in the Senate.

  251. jason says:

    Ah yes, Rand Paul is on record as saying cutting off military aid to Israel would be “good for it”.

    NYC to say he “said something else too” in 3, 2, 1…

    Good luck with that, since he proposed it again in 2018.

  252. NYCmike says:

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/rand-paul-is-right-about-aid-to-israel/

    -All of these people MUST BE anti-Israel, anti-semitic, and anti-everything-A-Holes-can-think-of./s

  253. NYCmike says:

    When your rationale is “We have to do it!” then you must really be SMART!

  254. NYCmike says:

    “Yep…its just like I said…now 6-1 Mets, and the Yankees still have bases loaded and no one out. Callaway just sits on his hands.”

    -Its now over an hour later, Callaway is still sitting on his hands, the same pitcher is pitching and the Mets must be losing to the Yankees.

    The Mets have 9 runs, and the Yankees have 3.

    Is baseball like golf, where the lower score wins?!?!

  255. NYCmike says:

    The sadist in me wants Vargas, the Mets pitcher, to go back out for the 7th inning…….I’ll have to go to confession in the morning!

  256. Tgca says:

    NT pootahs!

  257. NYCmike says:

    Ok, it looks like Callaway is more of a sadist than I am…….he put in Familia!!

    Put the kids to bed……QUICKLY!

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