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Biden Leads Trump By 13% Nationally

This morning, Quinnipiac University put out a new national poll that shows Democrats might defeat Donald Trump no matter who they nominate among their top candidates.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Quinnipiac)
Joe Biden (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

Bernie Sanders (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Kamala Harris (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 41%

Elizabeth Warren 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Pete BUttigieg (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Cory Booker (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

At the primary level, Joe Biden holds an 11% lead over Bernie Sanders.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Quinnipiac)
Biden 30%
Sanders 19%
Warren 15%
Buttigieg 8%
Harris 7%
O’Rourke 3%
Booker 1%
Klobuchar 1%
Yang 1%
Ryan 1%
Gillibrand 0%
Castro 0%
Gabbard 0%
Inslee 0%
Hickenlooper 0%
Delaney 0%
Williamson 0%
Messam 0%
Swalwell 0%
Moulton 0%
Bennett 0%
Bullock 0%
de Blasio 0%
Gravel 0%

This poll was done June 6-10 among 1214 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:39 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (183)

183 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 13% Nationally”

  1. Tgca says:

    Uno Bebe! Uno!

  2. NYCmike says:

    I bet Callaway eats quinoa!

  3. Tgca says:

    I love QUINOA! Yum!

  4. Victrc says:

    El Guapo is el cuatro it seems.

    Yeah. I hope the Dems bank on these polls. Absurd is too nice a word.

  5. Chicon says:

    So, even Booker beats Trump? Embarrassing….for the pollster.

  6. jason says:

    Didn’t Biden have 35% in their previous poll?

  7. Bitterlaw says:

    I feel bad for Gravel. It must be hard being the worst of the 0% candidates.

  8. NYCmike says:

    “This morning, Quinnipiac University put out a new national poll that shows Democrats might defeat Donald Trump no matter who they nominate among their top candidates.”

    -How well does Wissing know Robbie and “CG”??

  9. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the Quinnipiac University poll from November 2, 2016:

    FLORIDA: Clinton 46 – Trump 45, Johnson 2
    NORTH CAROLINA: Clinton 47 – Trump 44, Johnson 3
    OHIO: Trump 46 – Clinton 41, Johnson 5
    PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton 48 – Trump 43, Johnson 3

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Is NYC going full Tina? Dave has posted polls for 15+ years regardless of who was leading. No reason to stop now.

  11. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw,

    I am noticing a change in the editorial aspect of his posts……..I’ll gladly stand corrected if you provide several examples from yesteryear.

  12. Phil says:

    So Trump’s ceiling is 42 regardless of the opponent?

    Uh, no.

    Biden wins Indies by 30? Sure he does. LOL

    Oh, and Trump isn’t 8 behind Hamada Harris either.

    What absolute trash.

  13. Tina says:

    It was reported today that China Biden looked bad in his Iowa speech. 200 attendees.

    No update on this from the Biden Report?

  14. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    13. Biden attempted to flip-flop on his previous comment that China was not “competition for the U.S.” In Iowa he acknowledged they were a threat, but opposed tariffs. Instead he said: “if we do what we need to do here at home… we can out-compete anyone.” Biden said in effect that he thought American workers could outproduce Chinese workers, and we could work with our allies to address China’s unfair trade practices. Basically he is advocating for going back to Obama’s globalist policies, which badly hurt the U.S. working class — and played a major part in Trump’s election.

    Am sure Sanders and the left will rip Biden for his position; and Trump will attack Biden (if he gets the nomination) in the Midwest industrial states. Frankly Biden sounded like a Hillary Clinton retread.

  15. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The problem for Biden is polls are showing Americans support the tariffs. Romney, no friend of Trump, supports the Chinese tariffs; along with Bernie Sanders from the left — who is going to savage Biden on the issue.

    “The Trump administration’s move to slap stiff tariffs on Chinese goods is supported by about two-thirds of Americans despite strong partisan differences on the issue.

    But while they supported the gesture of standing up to China, they were less confident that it would work.

    Overall, 62 percent of Americans agree with the sentiment that the tariffs are worth the risk to get better trade deals, according to a new poll by Luntz Global Partners. That includes 88 percent of Republicans but only 34 percent of Democrats.

    “We’re seeing the very same coalition that got the president elected in 2016 lend their support to Trump’s tariffs,” said Alyssa Salvo, president of the polling company.

    “Voters don’t buy the ‘fear-factor’ that jobs are at-risk, instead agreeing that Trump’s tariffs are both ‘necessary,’ and in the words of Senator Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, ‘long overdue,'” she said.”

    Otherwise, Biden clearly was showing his age; Tucker Carlson referred to his speech as “meandering and rambling” which from what I saw was an accurate assessment. By contrast Trump comes across as forceful and mentally acute — he is a abrasive showman, who knows how to entertain a crowd.

  16. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAA!

    …now back to sleep.

  17. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I know what I have read here for 15+ years. These posts are not different.

    mnw- I have decided that I hope the Blues win the Stanley Cup. My decision is based on my hatred of Boston sports teams. I still do not believe St. Louis or many other cities should have NHL teams. Unfortunately for you, my support is usually the kiss of death for teams.

  18. gameboy says:

    Anyone who thinks Biden is a threat after watching his his rare appearances over the past month needs their head examined. Unfortunately for Trump it will not be Biden who he will face. There is a reason why he has been kept in hiding.

  19. DW says:

    Saw an article last night where Joe Biden promises to cure cancer if elected president.

    Uhm…Joe, if you have the cure for cancer, why wouldn’t you reveal it because you love Americans, rather than only reveal it in exchange for everyone giving you the power of the presidency?

  20. DW says:

    Joe couldn’t make Chuck stand up, so I doubt he can cure cancer.

  21. jason says:

    “This morning, Quinnipiac University put out a new national poll that shows Democrats might defeat Donald Trump no matter who they nominate among their top candidates.”

    -How well does Wissing know Robbie and “CG”??”

    LOL

    NYC always had a problem with reality.

    The poll results show that Democrats might defeat Donald Trump no matter who they nominate among their top candidates.

    Which is exactly what Dave said.

    There is no “editorial” or “narrative” here.

    Just like there wasn’t any “narrative” yesterday when I quoted Rand Paul directly saying Iran was not a threat to the US or Israel.

  22. jason says:

    It was reported today that China Biden looked bad in his Iowa speech. 200 attendees.

    No update on this from the Biden Report?”

    Tina and NYC need to get together on their criticism of Dave.

    Dave correctly stated what the poll results showed, NYC whined he didn’t like the “editorializing”.

    Tina, on the other hand, is critical that Dave didn’t write an editorial on how bad Biden looked at a rally.

  23. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason- Trump Derangement Syndrome is a truly unique condition. It affects both those who hate Trump and those who revere Trump. Even though Dave has not changed his format in more than 15 years, he is suddenly suspect for posting polls that do not show Trump up by 30 points nationally even though there are no polls like that.

  24. DW says:

    How can it be O’Rourke is stuck at only 3%. Didn’t the media tell us he was the second coming of Obama?

  25. jason says:

    I am somewhat skeptical of the idea that Biden is going to be taken down because he is a doddering old fool.

    He is a doddering old fool, but the MSM will protect and portray him in a completely different light.

    Now, if his opponents in the primaries depict him as a doddering old fool, it will be harder to hide. Not convinced that will happen though.

  26. jason says:

    “The is suddenly suspect for posting polls that do not show Trump up by 30 points nationally even though there are no polls like that”

    Not only that. He is attacked for not making up something that the poll doesn’t show.

  27. DW says:

    In the end, I don’t think Biden will be the nominee. He had his chance last time, but the Clintons must have had something on him, and threatened to release it unless he sat out.

    Biden’s only shot would be if independents stormed the primaries to vote for him so they can get a Dem nominee not way out on the left communist fringe.

    The more likely scenario is that the Dem primary becomes a battleground of who can out-communist each other to get the nomination. Biden doesn’t survive in that environment.

  28. jason says:

    It affects both those who hate Trump and those who revere Trump.”

    Hmmm.. interesting.

    I guess it explains why the AFL-CIO conservatives are very excited about massive tax hikes and NYC thinks Presidents only sign spending bills without any responsibility for their implementation.

  29. jason says:

    Some light reading”

    If you take my advice and enroll in a remedial program you could move on to something more advanced.

  30. jason says:

    Tgca says:
    June 12, 2019 at 4:04 am

    MAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAA!

    …now back to sleep.”

    Sounds like Tgca got up for a post midnight snack.

    I can see it now. A “family size” bag of organic Oreo cookies dipped in chocolate syrup and an 24 oz organic maple syrup/molasses/butterscotch smoothie.

  31. Chicon says:

    TDS affects those who love and hate Trump. Dave hates Trump, yet there’s no way he’s affected by TDS. I love this place.

  32. Bitterlaw says:

    Chicon- Not everybody who loves or hates Trump is affected by TDS. I hate Trump but give him credit where he deserves it. I am glad he won in 2016 and hope he wins in 2020 but I will continue to despise him as a person.

  33. Hugh says:

    I am reluctant to believe any poll anymore. Everyone has an agenda. constructive engagement is gone. All that is left is to fix bayonets and charge. Hopefully we can prevail over the forces of schools the government the media and pop culture who think we are a bunch or racists, morons or both. Since my grandchildren are half Brazilian and my favorite in law is gay I must be a moron.

  34. Bitterlaw says:

    Chi – Do you agree that Dave should not post polls that show Dems leading?

  35. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Joni Ernst(R) is off to a solid start in her 2020 Iowa Senate reelection bid according to a Democrat polling firm.

    “Pro Tip: If your internal polls show you losing by 25 points you probably shouldn’t release them to the public. An internal poll by Lake Research Partners for Eddie Mauro (D) shows Sen. Joni Ernst (R) crushing him by a 58% to 33% margin and beating Theresa Greenfield (D) by a 56% to 34% margin. In fairness an over 20 point lead is what you would expect when your two potential opponents are a candidate who insulted veterans in his campaign launch (see HERE) and a candidate whose campaign committed forgery and fraud in her previous aborted run (see Here).”(H/T: RRH)

  36. Phil says:

    I quit reading the Quinn poll when I saw I saw they had Biden up 30 with independents. Riiiiiight.

    Spartacus winning the GE by 7 was also a hoot.

    Is Biden up? Sure he is…..but that poll is not credible. Candidates like Bernie and Warren aren’t blowing out Trump. If they are the country is already gone and we may as well find another hobby other than politics, because we are already California. It’s hammer and sickle time. LOL

  37. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #38- Phil
    Yes and today’s Weekly Tracking Poll by the Economist/ YouGov shows Trump ahead with Independents by 4 against a Generic Democrat.

    I have been meaning to ask how your wife is doing?

  38. Tina says:

    Parscals now claims that their polling shows trump winning all 2016 states plus others.

    Brad Parscale
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    The #FakeNewsMedia wants to talk about leaked polling data that obviously someone didn’t understand. The fact is our polling shows @realDonaldTrump expanding the map with leads in New Hampshire, Nevada, New Mexico and even scoring better numbers in Oregon!

    9,016
    1:50 PM – Jun 11, 2019

  39. Waingro says:

    Woa.

    G. Elliott Morris
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    NEW 2020 Dem. poll from The Economist/YouGov: Warren pulls ahead of Sanders & into 2nd place (w/in margin of error). This wk & change vs last wk:

    Biden: 26% (-1)
    Warren: 16 (+5)
    Sanders: 12 (-4)
    Buttigieg: 8 (-1)
    Harris: 6 (-1)
    O’Rourke: 3 (+1)

    Typical caveat re: watch the avgs

  40. Tina says:

    Messy lsd citing snoozes? First, a prosecutor does not exonerate or exonerates. They charge or don’t charge. Please do not turn the criminal justice system on its head, messy.

    The report said no collusion or conspiracy. Mulehead was just a corrupt figurehead, who by many accounts let his Drat crew take over while he took a lot of annual leave. Mulehead did not look into the entrapment and dossier originations.

    As far as obstruction, a president cannot obstruct a counter intelligence investigation. A president is the consumer of this information. Also, trump by tweeting names to the Drat hacks running the investigation are not examples. By tweeting, trump really obstructed (lol).

    It was not law enforcements finest hour since McCabe, Pete the Cheat. The mistress, Clomedy, and the fibs general counsel were fired or dismissed,

  41. dblaikie says:

    First of all I am thankful for Mr. Wissing for doing this site. He has never made any pretense to liking or supporting Trump. All he did was point out what this polls data point is — according to them everyone beats the President.

    Now about the poll. I have learned my lesson, as I have said before about picking apart polls. If people want to believe this poll then go ahead. For those who dislike Trump it will make them happy. What better news could there be for them — Trump even losing to Booker. Just look at the their modeling, if you can find it, and then decide.

    Now on to today’s important news. Uncle Joe is flipping on China. Two weeks ago people were unduly scared, according to him, that China was a threat. Now somehow for our Uncle Joe they are now. It seems that the Democratic front runner only likes to come out when he wants to flip and make Alyssa Milano happy. Who know maybe she will let him pat her on the butt next time they are together.

  42. Tina says:

    It will soon start and it goes straight to the obumbler and .china .biden,

    Donald J. Trump
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    @realDonaldTrump
    “Someone should call Obama up. The Obama Administration spied on a rival presidential campaign using Federal Agencies. I mean, that seems like a headline to me?” @TuckerCarlson It will all start coming out, and the Witch Hunt will end. Presidential Harassment!

    74.6K
    9:28 PM – Jun 11, 2019

  43. Tina says:

    China Biden has dropped almost 10 points int the aggregate.

    Cccp sanders and Pocahontas have been the beneficiaries.

  44. Waingro says:

    I gotta say: Pocahontas has righted the ship with her campaign the last few months. Her best chance to is to keep knocking down Bernie and get the consolidated crazy far lefties to hop on board to take on Biden.

  45. DW says:

    So the Dems top two candidates include one who opined that the up and coming Obama was a nice clean black, and the other candidate who faked Native American heritage for personal gain.

    And the media calls the GOP the party of racists.

  46. mnw says:

    RAS today 51/47 & -3.

    Marginally higher than Zero at the same time in his first term, & the best Trump has done in some time.

  47. Tina says:

    Foolish to rule out Pocahontas as the nominee, or cccp sanders.

    Way too early in this process.

  48. Chicon says:

    Bitter, I think Dave should post whatever he’d like. Because I’m an idiot, I come here for the posters. That said, this isn’t Real Clear, which lists almost all published polls. Dave posts a small percentage of polls. It seems to me he tends to post polls that confirm his feelings about Trump. Again, though, this doesn’t bother me at all – I’d be happy to have a beer with the wizard.

  49. mnw says:

    Team Soros picked off 2 more elected prosecutors in Arlington & Fairfax Counties, in VA yesterday.

  50. DW says:

    Here is the current RCP average of the 25 communists whose dream is to destroy the country:

    1 – Biden: 32.8
    2 – Sanders: 17.3
    3 – Warren: 9.2
    4 – Harris: 7.2
    5 – Buttigieg: 7.2
    6 – O’Rourke : 3.7
    7 – Booker: 2.5
    8 – Klobuchar : 1.2
    9 – Castro: 0.7
    10 – Yang: 0.7
    11 – Hickenlooper: 0.7
    12 – Ryan: 0.7
    13 – Bennet: 0.6
    14 – de Blasio : 0.5
    15 – Gabbard: 0.5
    16 – Delaney: 0.5
    17 – Inslee: 0.5
    18 – Bullock: 0.4
    19 – Gillibrand: 0.3
    20 – Williamson: 0.2
    21 – Gravel: 0
    22 – Messam : 0
    23 – Moulton: 0
    24 – Swalwell: 0
    25 – Ojeda: Dropped out:

  51. Phil says:

    We’re holding our own, Sheeple. Pretty much status quo which we’ll certainly take. Thanks for asking.

  52. jason says:

    It seems to me he tends to post polls that confirm his feelings about Trump. ”

    Ohhh puhhhleeeze…

    What BS.

    You have to be a real moron to attack Dave because he posts polls you don’t like.

    Chicon, why don’t you start your own blog and then you can just post polls that show Trump ahead.

    I am sure it will be quite popular.

  53. Chicon says:

    Jason shows once again that he reads at a 3rd grade level.

  54. jason says:

    Zzzzzz….

    You are the one who has problems reading.

    If you want to wear the shoe, be my guest.

    I said only morons would attack Dave for posting polls because they don’t like the results, that was in reference to previous posts.

    Then I said if you think Dave is biased in his polls selection, you can start your own blog.

    GFY.

  55. jason says:

    I love it when you say people are morons for saying something and immediately someone steps up to the plate.

  56. Chicon says:

    Jason confirms he reads at a 3rd grade level.

    He wants to argue about something I didn’t write. Go ahead.

  57. jason says:

    I will take Warren as the nominee.

    If she wins we are screwed, but I see a very similar map to the last election if she is the nominee.

    She will get monstrous margins in liberal states but will have limited appeal in the midwest, south and southwest.

  58. Phil says:

    Yep, if someone like Warren can be elected in this country we are indeed screwed. It will mean the country has passed the tipping point.

  59. jason says:

    He wants to argue about something I didn’t write. Go ahead”

    LOL

    I quoted you directly.

    “It seems to me he tends to post polls that confirm his feelings about Trump. ”

    That sounds like you are accusing him of being biased in his poll selection right?

    Then I said if you think Dave is biased in his polls selection, you can start your own blog.

    You should do it. You will have Tina and NYC to read all those pro-Trump polls right away, it’s a start.

  60. jason says:

    Polls selection?

    That is why native Quechua speakers should not teach English.

  61. DW says:

    I am not really following polls right now for the 2020 general election for president. They are for the most part useless. I highly doubt Trump will ever lead in any of these polls because NY and CA will always poll huge numbers for the Democrat challenger, but thank goodness for the electoral college, so that CA and NY do not choose our presidents.

    Its way too early to glean much from individual state polls because the Dem candidate is so hypothetical.

  62. PAUL says:

    TRUMP NEEDS TO DIE.

  63. Chicon says:

    Jason keeps arguing with himself. I hear it causes blindness.

    Context, baby, context….”Bitter, I think Dave should post whatever he’d like”. Total attack. “Again, though, this doesn’t bother me at all – I’d be happy to have a beer with the wizard.” Another attack. Really, 3rd grade comprehension….

  64. PAUL says:

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  65. jason says:

    Jason keeps arguing with himself. I hear it causes blindness.”

    I see…. .but didn’t you write this?

    “It seems to me he tends to post polls that confirm his feelings about Trump.”

    So since you think Dave is biased in his poll selection, why don’t you start you own poll where you can just post the polls YOU like?

    Too much work huh? It’s just easier to stay here and say something stupid.

  66. jason says:

    Paul is having a stroke, call 911.

  67. jason says:

    Start your own poll?

    Actually, maybe Chicon should start inventing his own polls, since he doesn’t like the ones Dave posts, and as Bitter pointed out, polls showing Trump leading are scarce.

  68. NYCmike says:

    jason’s dream job would definitely be NY Times editor.

  69. CG says:

    Fake polls, designed to make people feel better here about various campaigns or elections has been a hallmark of the HHR comment section for years.

    I’m sure people can make up ones showing Trump ahead.

  70. jason says:

    Its way too early to glean much from individual state polls because the Dem candidate is so hypothetical.”

    That’s fine, I actually agree with that.

    But it is one thing to dispute the significance of a poll or its methodology, and another is to be a moron and whine about Dave posting polls that are not favorable to Trump.

    Chicon to say “hey, I am a moron” in 3, 2, 1…

  71. CG says:

    Remember, none of these polls can be trusted, because either Sanders or Biden will be so upset with the result of the primaries, that the other one will jump in as an Independent, splitting the vote and allowing Trump to cruise to victory in 40 plus states…..

    The pollsters are deliberately ignoring this likelihood….

  72. jason says:

    NYCmike says:
    June 12, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    jason’s dream job would definitely be NY Times editor.

    Right, I created my own narrative?

    Or not?

    “This morning, Quinnipiac University put out a new national poll that shows Democrats might defeat Donald Trump no matter who they nominate among their top candidates.”

    -How well does Wissing know Robbie and “CG”??”

    So maybe NYC can explain what is factually incorrect about the statement regarding the Quinn Poll?

    Or is the “problem” the fact Dave posted a poll on a polling site?

    Maybe NYC and Chicon can partner in a new blog, where only polls favorable to Trump are posted. If none are available, they can be made up.

  73. CG says:

    Paladin or bust..

  74. CG says:

    I thought yesterday’s anti-Semitism/Israel fight between NYC and jason took an especially funny turn when NYC linked to an article from “The Conservative Review.”

    Clearly, he doesn’t know much about that publication.

  75. jason says:

    Biden or Sanders won’t run as independents, but Amash might.

    Then we will see how many of the “true conservatives” will continue to defend him.

  76. CG says:

    Nevermind… I fact checked myself and I was thinking of “The American Conservative.”

    Not sure which one was linked to yesterday.

  77. CG says:

    SDC and janz have assured us that Civil War among Democrats is inevitable and that they will prove they will prefer to fight each other than to unite and take on Trump.

  78. CG says:

    My bad on the magazine thing…

    I assume that even NYC would not be clueless enough to link to “The American Conservative” in a discussion about Israel.

    However, janz did indeed ask me once to read the Unz Report, a Holocaust denying publication, to bolster her point against me.

  79. jason says:

    I didn’t have any argument with NYC on anti-Semitism.

    And I don’t think NYC even contested my point that Rand Paul proposed cutting off aid to Israel since in 2018 he proposed exactly that.

    However, NYC, by posting the Conservative Review article, seemed to agree that we should cut off aid to Israel.

    Why am I not surprised?

  80. NYCmike says:

    “Clearly, he doesn’t know much about that publication.”

    -They are anti-semites?

    It would be great if you showed me the evidence of that.

  81. CG says:

    See # 79.

    Although, apparently the article linked did advocate cutting foreign aid to Israel.

    If Trump proposed that, his fans here would not question it.

  82. jason says:

    I am not sure a Civil War between Dems will not occur. If a lot of candidates are viable it could well happen, but if Biden emerges as the only front runner there will be pressure on the others to back off.

    However, as I stated yesterday, I think if the other Dems really go after Biden on his many vulnerabilities, he could be badly damaged. Whether that will happen or not is to be determined.

    But none of them are going to run as an Indy, that is nonsense and frankly I have not seen anybody say that here.

  83. NYCmike says:

    “However, NYC, by posting the Conservative Review article, seemed to agree that we should cut off aid to Israel.”

    -No, I agree that any foreign aid should be debated by our representatives, to see if it is worthwhile.

    In regard to Israel’s foreign aid, it will reach a number that is the highest its ever been.

    Are we to always increase aid to Israel? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?

    If Rand Paul proposed $35 billion, instead of $38 billion, does that make him anti-Israel? Or anti-semitic?

  84. jason says:

    If Trump proposed that, his fans here would not question it.”

    I don’t know if I qualify as a fan, but I would.

    I certainly oppose him cutting off aid to Central American countries.

    I am sure NYC would, however. But as soon as Trump left office, he would want to reinstate it.

  85. jason says:

    Rand Paul proposed $35 billion, instead of $38 billion, does that make him anti-Israel? Or anti-semitic?”

    Straw argument. He proposed some kind of artificial cut that would eliminate all aid to Israel in 10 years, regardless of the circumstances.

    And yes, we should continue to provide aid to Israel because it is in our interest to do so.

    I made the same argument about NATO.

  86. jason says:

    No, I agree that any foreign aid should be debated by our representatives, to see if it is worthwhile.”

    If you think supporting Israel is “debatable” you are an idiot.

    Oh wait…

  87. NYCmike says:

    “I certainly oppose him cutting off aid to Central American countries.”

    -Do you also oppose people questioning if the aid we have already given has been used to improve those countries, and if so, why are we still giving them aid?

    Is it open-ended, or are you looking to eventually get those countries to be self-sufficient, and at that time the aid will become unnecessary?

    How many years do you figure that should take?

    Will the President circa 2030 be allowed to ask these questions without you, or the Democratic Party/media, calling that person anti-hispanic if they want to reduce foreign aid at that time?

  88. Waingro says:

    Bernie is in BIG trouble. Pocahontas is on the prowl.

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    New Monmouth poll of Nevada:

    Biden – 36%
    Warren – 19%
    Sanders – 13%
    Buttigieg – 7%
    Harris – 6%

    First poll in any early state that has Warren over Sanders.

  89. NYCmike says:

    “I made the same argument about NATO.”

    -Without looking to see how “allies” like Turkey and Germany would act.

    Great plan.

  90. NYCmike says:

    “If you think supporting Israel is “debatable” you are an idiot.”

    -Got it.

    $35 billion is anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

    $38 billion is not.

  91. CG says:

    I believe Rand Paul wants foreign aid to be eliminated or severely cut across the board, including to Israel. At least he is honest about it.

  92. CG says:

    Try telling a Jewish woman you are cutting off her allowance by 3 billion…..

    Sorry, couldn’t resist, and yes, I get to make those jokes.

  93. NYCmike says:

    “I believe Rand Paul wants foreign aid to be eliminated or severely cut across the board, including to Israel. At least he is honest about it.”

    -Are you for open-ended foreign aid, where it can’t be debated?

    Should foreign aid just increase every year?

  94. CG says:

    I suppose it depends if you think that Israel should just get lumped in with all the rest from Albania to Zimbabwe or not…

  95. NYCmike says:

    #97 – -Are you for open-ended foreign aid, where it can’t be debated?

    Should foreign aid just increase every year?

    When Obama used foreign aid to try and make Israel do things which many thought detrimental to their long-term safety, did you agree with the Obama administration?

    How would you make sure another President, most likely a Democrat, would not treat them the same way in the future, if Israel is very dependent on the foreign aid we provide?

  96. CG says:

    You dodged the question.

    I agreed with the Obama Administration on very little, but I think you already knew that.

    Should Israel be considered just one of the whole group of nations that might receive aid or do you think their situation warrants a different standard?

    It shouldn’t be too hard to answer.

  97. NYCmike says:

    “You dodged the question.”

    -Actually, you made a statement in #97.

    A very stupid statement.

  98. CG says:

    How is it stupid? You haven’t said what you think. You just linked to an article yesterday that said foreign aid to Israel should be cut.

    Is that your position or not?

  99. NYCmike says:

    “Should Israel be considered just one of the whole group of nations that might receive aid or do you think their situation warrants a different standard?”

    -Again, this is a stupid question.

    I have not advocated for cutting all aid to Israel.

    I do think it good policy for our governments elected representatives to always debate the merits of the policies we have.

  100. CG says:

    This reminds me of how hard and long you fought answering whether or not you believed age of consent laws were a good idea. Eventually, you were forced to admit that you were ok with them.

  101. NYCmike says:

    Maybe you should try answering my questions.

    Are you for open-ended foreign aid, where it can’t be debated?

    Should foreign aid just increase every year?

  102. CG says:

    ok, so you don’t want *all* aid to Israel cut.

    How much should be cut and how would this be debated? Should they be debated along with every other country or as a separate entity?

  103. CG says:

    I think Israel should be considered a distinct circumstance, considering their position in the world and their importance to America.

    So, we can and should have debates on Mozambique, etc, separate from Israel, where there really shouldn’t be much to “debate.”

    I mean, it is not as if the enemies of Israel are vague in their stated intentions.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    I would not cut aid to Israel. I cannot envision any circumstance that would justify cutting aid to Israel. It is our strongest ally in the most strategic dangerous place in the world.

    NYC to ask question after increasingly ridiculous question about what I just stated very clearly.

  105. NYCmike says:

    #107 – You clearly did not read the link I posted yesterday.

    Typical.

  106. NYCmike says:

    As for you, “CG”, you are the only person here lumping Israel in with Mozambique, Albania, Zimbabwe….

  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Joe Biden is a candidate of the oligarchy.

    Democratic primary voters will see through him.
    “More harmful to his candidacy are his actions that’ve benefited his wealthy benefactors but stick it to the Average Joe and Jane: his support for global trade deals that have decimated the American manufacturing base, his support for financial deregulation, and his support for bankruptcy reform that prevents people from being able to discharge their consumer debt.
    And it hasn’t escaped sharp-eyed observers that he started his current campaign by holding a fundraiser attended by corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors.
    Not to mention Biden’s support for costly Middle Eastern military interventions that benefit our military industrial complex but have harmed Middle America’s sons and daughters.
    The list goes on. Just consider the conflict-of-interest questions raised by his actions in Ukraine and China that involved his son, Hunter.
    But hey, if you aren’t paying close attention, Biden is your guy. He is the perfect tool of the oligarchy — affable and decent while sometimes effecting cut-throat policies detrimental to ordinary Americans.
    Before Trump has a chance to tear into Biden’s record, his fellow Democrats in the coming primary debates will do so.
    This piece is about Biden but is ultimately not about him, but about our oligarchic political system. The best among us may get elected to high office in D.C. with high minded ideals and goals but eventually get co-opted by an insidious system, and gradually become an out-of-touch, often-duplicitous, platitude-mouthing D.C. elite.
    It looks like that happened to Biden. My prediction: He will not be the Democratic nominee.
    Saritha Prabhu is a columnist with the Tennessean, where this column originally”

    We at the point where climate change posses an existential threat to our very existence. We have less than 12 years to turn the tide, or we are doomed….DOOMED. An old coot who serves the oligarchy for eight years is unacceptable. Vote Green Party in 2020!!

  108. NYCmike says:

    1) $35 billion = anti-semitic & anti-Israel behavior

    2) $38 billion = anything less, see #1

  109. CG says:

    No, I am stating what Rand Paul and his allies think about foreign aid.

    They say Israel should not be given a distinct status. Do you agree or not?

  110. NYCmike says:

    “They say Israel should not be given a distinct status. Do you agree or not?”

    -Please show that quote.

    I saw a statement where he wanted to cut the PLO funding and use that aid for Israel instead.

    If you need that quote, I can get it for you.

  111. NYCmike says:

    I also saw where Rand Paul states that “borrowing money from foreign countries (mainly China) to use to send aid to other foreign countries is bad policy.

    Do you think that makes any sense? Or are budget restraints not a “conservative” issue anymore?

  112. CG says:

    Rand Paul was very clear in every Presidential debate that he disagreed with foreign aid as a concept. He said that Israel should be self-sufficient and that we are harming them by giving them money.

    Late last year, he blocked bills that would provide military aid to Israel and was against an effort to oppose the BDS movement.

    At least he is honest. NYC should be as honest and admit he thinks the US gives Israel too much money.

  113. CG says:

    I think foreign aid is a very conservative concept. Relatively speaking, we spend very little on it worldwide, and the costs of doing so are worth it for preventing situations that would require far greater effort on the part of the U.S.

    As the candidate Ross Perot, whom NYC once supported would say, “pennies on the dollar.”

  114. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Israel is a critical U.S. ally in a very volatile region. It is the last country I would want to cut foreign aid to. Rand Paul advocates for an imaginary fantasy world that could no longer exist after the 19th century.

  115. NYCmike says:

    #116 – this is an example of a proper argument as opposed to your last line in #115.

    I don’t have an issue with Israel receiving foreign aid.

    I do have an issue with people, like you, who decide any questioning/cutting of said aid is anti-semitic and/or anti-Israel.

    As an example, I will use all of the Democrats, like Obama, who use that aid to then club Israel over the head with it. Under the wrong United States leadership, Israel’s long-term dependence on that aid could backfire on them.

    Strangely enough, there are many people in Israel who sought to diversify their economy, and find other sources of energy, so they would become more independent.

  116. CG says:

    When did I use the term “anti-Semitic?” Never.

    Cutting aid to Israel could clearly be seen as anti-Israel.

  117. Bitterlaw says:

    108. I read it. I stand by what I posted.

  118. CG says:

    I don’t get this…

    So because Obama threatened to cut aid to Israel, aid to Israel should be cut to prevent the next Obama from doing it?

    Whaaa?

  119. CG says:

    The question of cutting aid to Israel should be viewed as a matter of common sense.

    Either one has it or they don’t.

    But the countries around the world who are very much anti-Israel and anti-Semitic definitely want the position advanced by Rand Paul to succeed. They would do anything to see the U.S. drop its support of Israel. Let’s not kid ourselves.

  120. Victrc says:

    The Paul family are huge anti-semites, as are most of the people who support them

    We have no business cutting aid to Israel, just as we shouldn’t stop military sales to Saudi. They are the buffers in an extremely volatile part of the world. The extensential threat is absolutely Iran.

    Arguing about this is silly

  121. NYCmike says:

    “Cutting aid to Israel could clearly be seen as anti-Israel.”

    -I already wrote this in #111:

    1) $35 billion = anti-semitic & anti-Israel behavior

    2) $38 billion = anything less, see #1

  122. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    123. Agree that aid to both Israel and Saudi Arabia is important; it is good that both countries are now developing friendly relations.

    Israel is about to have an energy boom. It has large off-shore natural gas deposits. This appears to be making Israel more popular with a lot of nearby countries.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2019/04/18/israels-natural-gas-discoveries-are-bridging-political-divides-and-are-forging-economic-ties/#7dc0c12315aa

    Our foreign policy in the Mideast is so much better under Trump; we are no longer pandering to Iran.

  123. DW says:

    I see most of the Mets fans are here this afternoon. Despite the disappointing season so far, we are enjoying the emergence of Pete Alonso. Watching all his homers thus far, what is impressive is how he is spraying the bombs over the entire outfield, going the other way, many of them to dead center, and some long bombs pulled hard to left. But he also seems to be able to hit any pitch for a homer. Some were low inside that he golfed out, low and away bombs to right, high fastballs he still turns on.

    Pitchers have no safe area near the strike zone. If he keeps it up like this, he is going to draw a lot of walks. I hope the Mets can keep someone dangerous right behind him in the batting order to force them to pitch to him.

  124. NYCmike says:

    DW,

    He is a wonderful player! And the more I hear about him, details such as keeping notebooks about each game, each pitcher, each at-bat, he is a real student of the game.

    He may be a player to build around.

  125. Waingro says:

    This is hilarious (video attached to link):

    The Columbia Bugle ??
    ?

    @ColumbiaBugle
    Follow Follow @ColumbiaBugle
    More
    ROFL President Trump looking out at the Press in Rose Garden Press Conference:

    “Let’s see, who do I like?

    Nobody.”

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1138891596655517696

  126. NYCmike says:

    “Our foreign policy in the Mideast is so much better under Trump; we are no longer pandering to Iran.”

    -“CG”?

    Any opinion on this?

  127. NYCmike says:

    “The Paul family are huge anti-semites,”

    -They want to cut aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, central america, etc…….

    Shall we call them equal opportunity haters??

    Anti-semite is so restrictive, don’t you think? What Republican hasn’t been branded anti-semitic in the past 50 years?

  128. CG says:

    I think the Trump Administration is acting better than the Obama Administration specifically on Israel, but in a global sense, I find the foreign policy of the Trump Administration a disaster.

  129. CG says:

    “What Republican hasn’t been branded anti-semitic in the past 50 years?”

    Mitt Romney for one

  130. CG says:

    The admission of “equal opportunity” is the whole point.

    Rand Paul views the U.S. relationship with Israel as no different than that we might have with a random Central American country or Saudi Arabia, etc. Rand Paul wants the U.S. to get rid of foreign aid. Many in today’s Republican Party agree, especially those who stand and cheer at the slogan of “America First.”

    NYC seems to think this is alright. He hasn’t said he thinks otherwise.

  131. NYCmike says:

    “NYC seems to think this is alright. He hasn’t said he thinks otherwise.”

    1) $35 billion = anti-semitic & anti-Israel behavior

    2) $38 billion = anything less, see #1

    Go with that “CG”.

  132. NYCmike says:

    “Mitt Romney for one”

    -Sorry about that, you are correct.

    Anti-woman was enough to derail his attempt at the White House.

  133. CG says:

    Again, I am not the one saying “anti-Semitic” here. Your fellow Trump supporters may be the ones saying that here.

    And when the $35 billion is the first step towards getting to 0 , which is the stated intention, yes, that is anti-Israel.

    Let’s round up and get to 40 billion.

  134. NYCmike says:

    “but in a global sense, I find the foreign policy of the Trump Administration a disaster.”

    -What are you comparing today’s current situation to?

    Are you blaming No Korea on Trump? Syria? Venezuela? China?

  135. CG says:

    Clearly, those who said that Romney was anti-woman were wrong and many are ashamed now at having cried wolf.

  136. CG says:

    All of the above to some extent, but none worse for the U.S. than the approach with Russia.

  137. NYCmike says:

    “All of the above to some extent, but none worse for the U.S. than the approach with Russia.”

    -No Korea, since 1953 – Trump’s fault.

    Syria – part of Middle East, has not seen peace in a millennium, Trump’s fault.

    Venezuela – blaming this on Trump? Seriously?

    China – Trump could take some blame due to the tariff issue, but the Chicoms started building artificial islands during the Bush admin. You will blame Trump for that??

    Russia – please explain the approach you are speaking about. Would you have preferred another Hillary re-set, perhaps?

  138. NYCmike says:

    “Clearly, those who said that Romney was anti-woman were wrong and many are ashamed now at having cried wolf.”

    -Not one Democrat/media personality are ashamed about making st-ff up about Romney.

    Romney is the only person who forgave them for doing that. One of the best examples of why he didn’t become President. He simply doesn’t know what it takes.

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    139. “All of the above to some extent, but none worse for the U.S. than the approach with Russia.”

    It was Obama who had a disastrous Russia policy. He helped provoke the Ukraine into a confrontation with Russia; then when Russia intervened in the eastern Ukraine, Obama & Hillary did nothing. That emboldened Putin who then annexed the Crimea. It was one of the worst U.S. foreign policy debacles since WWII.

    Putin knew Obama was weak after Obama drew his “line in the sand” in Syria, and then totally backed down. I don’t need to go into the fiasco in Libya, in which Obama and Hillary both pointed fingers at each other as being responsible.

    Ask Ukrainian or Israel leaders who is the better president; they would pick Trump over Obama. Trump finally provided the Ukraine with the weaponry they needed.

  140. Tina says:

    I have been gone a bit

    I see another beat down of the Clinton Groupie.

  141. Messy says:

    53. Communist: Anyone to the left of Ted Cruz.

  142. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Sidney Powell is now Flynn’s lawyer,

    Look for Flynn to ask to set aside the guilty plea given the issues with the 302, Patenka (the fib agent present), and the testimony of McCabe.

  143. Tina says:

    Justine Asquish just sided with the drats.

    Ryan Saavedra
    ?
    @RealSaavedra
    Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) breaks with the Republicans and joins the Democrats in voting in favor of holding Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt

    1,005
    2:08 PM – Jun 12, 2019

  144. Tina says:

    Commies Brennan’s security clearance has been stripped

    Now, it’s time to do Hillary’s, which will,make the jebots cry.

  145. Tina says:

    @thehill
    ·
    2h
    Rep. Devin Nunes: “After years of false accusations and McCarthyite smears, the collusion hoax now defines the Democratic Party. The hoax is what they have in place of a governing philosophy or a constructive vision for our country.”

  146. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    “New video shows adult cows being abused at Indiana farm… ”

    Them sunso’beeches…

  147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    151. Cow, your off the hook for causing global warming:

    “Finally, we could not find a clear domestic livestock fingerprint, neither in the geographical methane distribution nor in the historical evolution of mean atmospheric methane concentration.”

    Key Points:
    1. “In order to get the effective manmade part of the emissions from managed ecosystems, one has to subtract the baseline emissions of the respective native ecosystems or of the pre-climate-change-managed ecosystems from those of today’s agro-ecosystems (Figure 4). Omitting this correction leads to a systematic overestimation of farm-born non-CO2 GHG emissions. Scientific publications generally do not take this consideration into account, as farm-born CH4 and N2O emissions are consistently interpreted at a 100% level as an additional anthropogenic GHG source, just like fossil fuel-born CO2. As the mentioned IPCC guidelines [2007] are taken for the ultimate reference, this severe methodological deficiency propagated through the scientific literature.”
    2. “Dung patches concentrate the nitrogen ingested from places scattered across the pasture. Nichols et al. [2016] found no significant differences between emission factors from the patches and the rest of the pasture, which means the same amount of nitrous oxide is emitted whether or not the herbage passes livestock’s intestines. However, the IPCC and FAO do consider mistakenly all nitrous oxide leaking from manure as livestock-born and therefore manmade.”
    3. “Between 1990 and 2005, the world cattle population rose by more than 100 million head(according to FAO statistics). During this time, atmospheric methane concentration stabilized completely.”

  148. Bitterlaw says:

    147. A private company bans content. Not censorship.

  149. NYCmike says:

    #153 – right on schedule.

  150. NYCmike says:

    #153 – And, by the way, the private company IS censuring the content on its website.

    It isn’t illegal to do that (at this time).

    Both can be true.

  151. jason says:

    I have no doubt Ron Paul is a racist and anti-Semite.

    Rand Paul says there is very little difference between him and his father on ideas.

    At the very least Rand Paul is certainly very anti-Israel, but that may not be because he is anti-Semitic, it could just be is an idiot.

    I wouldn’t bet either way.

  152. jason says:

    Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) breaks with the Republicans and joins the Democrats in voting in favor of holding Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt”

    Paulbots have no loyalty except to themselves. NYC has not yet learned that lesson, although it is painfully obvious.

  153. jason says:

    “The Paul family are huge anti-semites, as are most of the people who support them

    We have no business cutting aid to Israel, just as we shouldn’t stop military sales to Saudi. They are the buffers in an extremely volatile part of the world. The extensential threat is absolutely Iran.

    Arguing about this is silly”

    Yep….. that is it in a nutshell… well said.

  154. jason says:

    I also saw where Rand Paul states that “borrowing money from foreign countries (mainly China) to use to send aid to other foreign countries is bad policy.

    Do you think that makes any sense? Or are budget restraints not a “conservative” issue anymore?”

    It makes no sense because the alternative, an unstable Middle East, would cost a lot more.

    “Budget restraints” doesn’t mean we should not have a military. And it doesn’t mean we should abandon Israel, since it is a matter of national security actually.

    So the answer is Rand Paul’s argument is asinine.

  155. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC thinks a private company must include content on its website that it does not want to include? Must be more of that “ conservatism” he allegedly supports.

  156. NYCmike says:

    “NYC thinks a private company must include content on its website that it does not want to include?”

    -Actually, no.

    Try reading my comment again.

    BUT, and this is why I wrote “(at this time)”, there will be movement towards making sure that the internet, aka information superhighway, treats the companies which drive on that road the same way our nations roads treat its drivers

    I am pretty sure that those physical roads are not allowed to restrict certain users due to subjective criteria which isn’t public information.

  157. Victrc says:

    NYC

    I stated the Paul was/are anti-semites for much more than just a cut in aid to Israel. They are the leaders of the anti-fed movement based on it being controlled by “Jewish bankers.” Same with their hatred of the banking system, Rothschild’s, bilderberg, gold standard, etc. it’s all built around their anti-Semitic foundation.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    The public road analogy is stupid because it is a PUBLIC road. The internet companies are private.

    Let’s save some posts, NYC. Should a company have to allow pro-life material? Yes or no?

  159. NYCmike says:

    “Must be more of that “ conservatism” he allegedly supports.”

    -Not exactly sure what the Founding Fathers thought about the internet……maybe Walt has an idea.

  160. NYCmike says:

    “Let’s save some posts, NYC. Should a company have to allow pro-life material? Yes or no?

    -I would say No.

    Pinterest should just say that.

    As should Facebook, Google, etc.

  161. NYCmike says:

    “The public road analogy is stupid because it is a PUBLIC road. The internet companies are private.”

    -On a public road, like a highway, if my trucks were not allowed, but my competition was, would that be against the law?

    Is the internet, aka the information superhighway, a private domain, a public domain, or is it something else? Which laws apply to the private companies which use this particular highway?

  162. Bitterlaw says:

    It has been a productive week so far. We learned the following about NYC’s thinking

    Cutting aid to Israel is the “conservative” thing to do.

    Private companies should be compelled to carry content they oppose.

    Trump is not responsible for budgets he signed but if he was, other Presidents spent too much, too.

    He did not support tariffs on Mexico but praises the tariffs on Mexico for getting a mythical deal on illegal immigration from Mexico.

  163. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The question of whether the internet is a private entity, public entity, or whether anyone owns it at all, boggles the mind. Presently, the EU is seeking to tightly regulate it, and China exercises rigid government control over its content — try telling the Chinese government you as an internet company are a private company and can control your content — then please write use from the noodle factory you have been exiled to in Tibet every year.

    In the U.S., the question is do U.S. civil rights and other laws apply to internet providers, which are private organizations; but use an information utility that is increasingly coming under government regulation. At present I don’t think anyone is even capable of answering that question –a guess would be without actual government regulation, a private internet provider can self-regulate its content.

  164. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Which is why Pinterest, and every other internet company, lies about their guidelines on which content is not allowed. They categorized pro-life content as porn. Ridiculous.

    Once the majority of the public understands the liberal bias, as well as the political correctness inherent in that bias, action will happen. It will be either by public pressure, or due to legislation.

    I would prefer public pressure, but I do see the rationale for treating them as a utility, and regulating them to some extent.

  165. NYCmike says:

    **Looks like my time machine is working again tonight! **

    Bitterlaw says:
    June 12, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    Private companies should be compelled to carry content they oppose.

    NYCmike says:
    June 12, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    “Let’s save some posts, NYC. Should a company have to allow pro-life material? Yes or no?

    -I would say No.

  166. NYCmike says:

    “He did not support tariffs on Mexico but praises the tariffs on Mexico for getting a mythical deal on illegal immigration from Mexico.”

    -Time will tell.

    Bitterlaw doesn’t support the mythical deal, or a physical wall.

  167. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is not responsible for budgets he signed but if he was, other Presidents spent too much, too.”

    -I would love to see the comment where I said Trump wasn’t responsible for signing the budgets he signed!

    I know I have written several times “Trump is terrible on spending.”

    I guess that means something else in A-Hole land.

  168. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    171. “private companies should be compelled to carry content they oppose.”

    Should a private baker be required to prepare a cake for a same-sex marriage couple, when the baker opposes the content?

    In a way it is a similar issue.

  169. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    175. Can a private internet dating service limit its clientele to Anglo heterosexuals?

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – I have been consistent. Bakers don’t have to puke. Pinterest does not have to accept posts.

  171. Bitterlaw says:

    Bakers don’t have to bake.

  172. NYCmike says:

    #174 – SDC,

    Please don’t mix up the arguments.

    At this point, as I stated #166 in response to Bitterlaw, NO, a private company should NOT be compelled to carry content they oppose. So, Bitterlaw and I agree.

    On a simple 1st amendment basis, the private company, Pinterest, is not compelled.

    BUT, for some reason, Pinterest, as well as other internet domain companies, are finding it necessary to lie about the content they do censure.

    I believe that is due to the fact that the internet is not of their own making, that it is comparable to public roads, where there are rules and regulations that they must abide by, and those will be applied equally FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT.

  173. NYCmike says:

    ALL HAIL THE BLUES!

    Sing GLORIA!

  174. Bitterlaw says:

    Congratulations to the Blues (not theirfans because they don’t play). Now move the team to a cold weather city.

  175. NYCmike says:

    ” Now move the team to a cold weather city”

    -Average temps Philadelphia:

    Feb/March/April hi/lo

    45/30 57/37 66/47

    -Average temps St Louis:

    Feb/March/April hi/lo

    45/27 56/38 67/48

  176. Bitterlaw says:

    Snowfall is a huge factor in measuring winter weather.

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