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Biden Leads Dem Field By 17% in NV

Monmouth University has a new poll out today showing Joe Biden with a lead among Democrats in the state of Nevada.

PRESIDENT – NEVADA – DEM CAUCUS (Monmouth)
Joe Biden 36%
Elizabeth Warren 19%
Bernie Sanders 13%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Kamala Harris 6%
Cory Booker 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Andrew Yang 2%
Julián Castro 1%
Tulsi Gabbard 1%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Marianne Williamson 1%
Steve Bullock <1%
John Hickenlooper <1%
Jay Inslee <1%
Wayne Messam <1%
Tim Ryan <1%
Michael Bennet 0%
Bill de Blasio 0%
John Delaney 0%
Kirsten Gillibrand 0%
Mike Gravel 0%
Seth Moulton 0%
Eric Swalwell 0%

This poll was done June 6-11 among 370 likely caucus goers.

Posted by Dave at 9:45 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (203)

203 Responses to “Biden Leads Dem Field By 17% in NV”

  1. Tina says:

    Is this the latest update on the Biden Report?

  2. Tina says:

    Gee, Biden Report missed this poll:

    2020 National Democratic Primary:
    Biden 26%
    Sanders 21%
    Warren 19%
    Buttigieg 14%
    Harris 8%
    O’Rourke 3%
    Yang 1%
    Abrams 1%
    Booker 1%
    Klobuchar 1%
    Gabbard 1%
    Gravel 1%
    Gillibrand 1%
    Ryan 1%

    @ChangePolls
    6/5-10I

  3. Tina says:

    Looks like Biden continues to drop as Cccp sanders and Pocahontas re strengthen.

  4. Tgca says:

    Cuatro Bebe! Cuatro!

  5. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    2. How low do Biden’s polling numbers need to go before those who believe that Biden’s nomination is inevitable “because he can beat Trump” reconsider their position.

  6. mnw says:

    Sic transit, GLORIA mundi!

  7. VictrC says:

    Dropping down to sixth in the order. Blast!!

    Anyway, I think calling anyone the innevitable candidate right now is irresponsible. He looks strong, and I am sure all the others chasing wish they had his polling numbers, but its a long way to the nomination, and to the convention.

    He is definitely having his problems, and is showing his age. A number of Dems are concerned about this “hiding” and are not all that thrilled with his candidacy. With that said, insiders (yes, I have inside information from that party LOL) are concerned about the entire field and those who used to believe it was inevitable that anyone they nominated would beat Trump are backtracking.

    Its going to be a long 18 months. Stay tuned.

    Oh,I am very appreciated for all Dave has done these past 15 years!

  8. VictrC says:

    Guess it was lucky number 7!!!!!!!

  9. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting information from the Nevada poll:

    “About 1-in-5 voters (21%) say 2020 will be the first Democratic caucus they participate in. Among these first time caucusgoers, nearly half (48%) prefer Biden, with 16% supporting Sanders, 6% for Buttigieg, and 4% each for Warren and Harris. Among those who have attended a Nevada caucus in the past, 33% support Biden, 23% are for Warren, 12% for Sanders, and 7% each for Harris and Buttigieg.”

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_NV_061219/

    Also appreciate David taking the time and effort to keep the website going. Thankless job; and cannot please everybody, and at times cannot please anybody.

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina won’t answer, but I will ask anyway.

    Why did Tina not refer to HHR as the GWB Report or Kerry Report in 2004, Obama Report or McCai. Report in 2008, Obama Report or Romney Report in 2012, or Hillary Report or Trump Report in 2016? Those candidates lead their primary polls and/or national polls throughout those elections. Only Biden triggers her about Dave.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Marco Rubio gave a strong defense of Trump’s China tariffs on Fox News.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6047656906001/#sp=show-clips

  12. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    mnw and ChiCon:
    GLORIA!!!!!!!!!! Congrats to the Stanley Cup champions the St. Louis Blues. NY Rangers next year(in my dreams!)
    ( I despise Boston sports’ fans!)

  13. DW says:

    Michael Bennet got 0% in that Nevada poll. I might have thought that somewhat close regional proximity might get him 1%.

  14. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Do you PA guys think this is a good House pick-up opportunity for the GOP in 2020? Barletta(R) vs. Cartright(D).

    https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/679484?unlock=XAMQ2TBOL4XG6NG3

  15. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    SenatorJoe Manchin(D-WV)has teased this news in the past. I hope he pulls the trigger this time.It’s really big for the GOP if he does.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/448287-manchin-eyes-senate-exit

  16. Wes says:

    Honestly I doubt Manchin is doing anything but his normal routine to fool the voters again.

    Unless West Virginians over the next five years develop a collective IQ higher than -350 (unlikely) it’ll probably get him re-elected in 2024.

  17. Phil says:

    Manchin isn’t going anywhere. He’s all talk. He’s a liberal. Always was and always will be.

    West Virginians are dupes, and Manchin knows it. He’s Schumer’s puppet. He and Chuck have a good laugh at his constituent’s utter stupidity.

    Want to see how Manchin operates? Try his coming out for Kavanaugh two minutes after Collins became the deciding vote for confirmation.

    He makes me puke.

  18. DW says:

    Sort of a slow day here at HHR. How about everyone share their favorite funny exchange from The Three Stooges? I waffle between these two:

    1) Moe approaches a car stuck in the mud and with the convertible top down, the girl sitting in the drivers seat says to Moe, “Please help, I’m in a Dilemma.” Moe replies, “It looks like an Oldsmobile to me.”

    2) The Stooges are detectives sent to help a Scot whose castle was being burglarized. Introducing his staff, the owner says, “and this my secretary, Lorna Doone.” Shemp replies, “Hi Lorna, how ya doin'”

  19. DW says:

    Another good one…

    The Stooges are guarding a spooky mansion, and as they walk through a room a telegraph machine suddenly sends a message. Moe commands Curly to take down the message as the machine clatters away da-da–da–da-da. Curly writes furiously until the machine stops. “What did that say?” Moe demands. Curly replies, “da-da–da–da-da…” and is stopped when Mow slaps him. So Moe turns to Larry, “What did that say?” Larry replies, “da–da-da–da-da” Moe hollers, “You too?” and slaps him.

  20. jason says:

    Maybe Tina should team up with Chicon and NYC.

    They can call their blog the Always Trump Report.

    All national, state, municipal and neighborhood polls will show Trump ahead by double digits for all races.

    It will probably have more readers than Corey’s blog.

  21. jason says:

    . How low do Biden’s polling numbers need to go before those who believe that Biden’s nomination is inevitable “because he can beat Trump” reconsider their position.”

    I don’t think his nomination is inevitable, although I do think he could beat Trump (not inevitable either).

    Still, I will butt in and answer the question.

    I think Biden needs to keep his front runner status. I have stated here I think Biden could be the Jeb of the Democrats.

    Supposedly has name recognition, experience, gravitas, endorsements, money, organization, etc.

    But once there was blood in the water, Jeb was torn apart quickly and easily.

    So if Biden loses his front runner status, I think he is toast, he has nothing for a comeback. His whole candidacy is based on the perception he can win.

    I think he is already making one mistake Jeb made, which is to run in the GE before you have the nomination locked up.

    On the other hand, he not making a mistake Jeb made, which was trying to own the muddled middle too early. He is veering left so he can remain viable in the primaries, while Jeb was talking about act of love and “respecting conservatives”.

    The debates are going to be a challenge for Biden. Right now he is reading from scripts, and not terribly good at that. If they go after him he might be at risk to be called “low energy Biden”.

  22. DW says:

    Another good one…

    Curly’s last episode, when a sociology professor attempts to turn them into sophisticated gentlemen. After their training, their entrance into high society is a fancy dinner party. Responding to being introduced to a lady, Moe replies, “enchanted,” Larry adds, “enraptured,” and Curly concludes with “embalmed!”

  23. mnw says:

    Curly is on the phone. We can only hear Curly’s part of the conversation. Curly: “You don’t say?…You don’t say!… You DON’T say!!!” Curly hangs up. Moe: “Who was that?” Curly:”He didn’t say.”

    I also liked Shemp’s description of somebody: “That old man would steal flies from a blind spider.”

  24. mnw says:

    I’m going to the parade Saturday with my kids. Somehow. This is logistically complex. I can’t stand up for 3 hours, just to wave at Jordan Binnington. I need to sit down! I’ve gamed out a parking scam… but then what?

    The radio station that had the B’s playoff games (except for the finals) is playing “Gloria” continuously, all day. This is the third time they’ve done that this post-season.

  25. DW says:

    Curly: “I used to work in a bakery as a Pilot.” (girl replies, “A Pilot?”) Curly: “yeah, I take the pile of bread in one corner and pile it in the other!”

  26. jason says:

    Three Stooges were great.

  27. jason says:

    All jokes about WV aside, you have to pretty dumb to believe Manchin is anything but a flaming liberal.

  28. Phil says:

    Yeah, well, West Virginians are pretty dumb then.

  29. Chicon says:

    https://www.redstate.com/slee/2019/06/13/judicial-watchs-tom-fitton-says-steele-dossier-laundered-obama-state-dept./

    “He also notes that Steele has a “long-time” relationship with members of Obama’s State Department and that he believes some members of Congress may have been aware of the dossier and its movements through federal agencies.”

    What are the odds that one of the Congress members was John McCain?

  30. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw owes the Stanley Cup run to a small group of Philadelphia fans. Traitors.
    https://6abc.com/sports/play-gloria-blues-fans-celebrate-stanley-cup-in-south-philly/5344788/

  31. Cash Cow TM says:

    I will add that Manchin ENJOYED being governor.
    He had has hand and fingers in everything…

    He has NOT enjoyed being in DC and the Senate.
    ******************
    In WV, Gov. Justice (elected as a D, but switched to R after less than a year in office) has had a lackluster performance. He has not been a very good leader.

    Dems (who got him elected) now do not like him since he switched parties.

    Repubs (who generally did not vote for him) have not accepted and embraced him as THEIR party leader. Justice has no clue as to what principles Rs OR Ds ascribe to…

    In the legislature Justice has managed to irritate both R and D legislative caucuses and often goes to war with one or the other. He has public spats with WV Senate leadership. He does not work well with others.

    And he irritates many voters in WV who view him as a buffoon.

    Justice is in poor health. He will not be up to a statewide campaign. He also presents a poor image when he does go on the campaign trail. He weighs 360 pounds, has to sit on a custom made stook rather than stand on stage…

    The State constitution requires the governor reside in Charleston in Kanawha County, but Justice continues to live in Greenbrier County and (when he does go to Charleston) makes the hour plus drive. Multiple lawsuits have been filed saying Justice is violating the constitution as to where he resides.

    Justice is an absentee governor. Not a hands on guy. He appoints people to manage his various businesses and does not get involved much in day to day operations. I think he has the same philosophy as to running state government.

    He scores low in popularity polls among voters.

    His multiple businesses have not paid millions in taxes to feds and WV, despite court orders to do so. Some of his business property has been seized via recent court order.

    When first elected (as a D) he proposed a massive tax increase. R controlled legislature rebelled and refused to do that.

    Justice publicly opposes education reforms (including charter schools and ESAs) that the legislature is pushing.

    Justice faces a contested primary as a former FAR right maverick delegate from the eastern panhandle (who in 2018 ran for the WV senate and lost) has thrown his hat in the ring. Justice fired his Commerce Secretary Woody Thrasher (a long time D) and now Thrasher has switched parties and is running for governor on the R side.

    On the D side, the only announced candidate is a Smith guy. Very liberal, not well known.
    ************************
    IF…Manchin announced his candidacy for governor, the currently disillusioned Ds would no doubt elect Manchin in the primary.

    I think Manchin could beat Justice or any R who might win the R primary.
    ##############################
    The BIG difference in WV now is that both houses are controlled by Rs. When Manchin was governor previously, he enjoyed big majorities of D controlled House and Senate.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    To COW, that is the thing holding back Manchin from announcing his leaving the U.S. Senate and running again for governor. He has never had to work with an R controlled legislature before and I think he is mulling that fact over.

    Having to work with an R controlled legislature might take the fun out of it for Manchin.

  32. Cash Cow TM says:

    To those bashing WV-ians and saying they are all stupid…

    …Walt told me to tell you, GFY…

  33. mnw says:

    BL

    Thx for the link. I knew some, but not all, of that.

    There is a strong Blues/Philly connection, starting with Berube, obviously. I saw enough of him to be enormously impressed. Some sportsjourno dubbed Berube “the fourth-line whisperer.”

    Chi

    McPain’s fingerprints were always all over it. What a despicable little jerk.

    RE: Bluz: I’ll need to think on this further, but right now I’m inclined to think that Binnington’s performance in the first period last night was the greatest moment in STL sports, in my lifetime anyway. And I include the David Freese WS Game 6 against the Rangers, btw., which I attended

  34. Victrc says:

    I read an article today about Amash working toward a run for President, hence all his recently bluster. It also stated that a run by Amash would effectively hand the Presidency to the Dem nominee because he would siphon off enough votes in MI, PA and Wi. I don’t buy it.

    In 2016 Johnson got the highest vote total ever for a libertarian, 3.5% nationwide. In MI and WI it was 3.7% and 3.6% respectively (approx. 170,000 votes in Michigan).

    As we’ve seen Amash is not popular in his district, and his vote totals each election since his election have decreased, from 60% to 53%. His current antics are not going to draw any new libertarians to vote for him over what they did for Johnson, especially with his very anti-Semitic (Ron Paul based) policies.

    Interesting to see what others think.

  35. mnw says:

    Cow

    Thx for the interesting observations.

    Without knowing anything whatsoever about Gov. Justice, I just ASSUMED he was in poor health. How could he not be?

  36. mnw says:

    Vic

    I think u r absolutely right.

  37. NYCmike says:

    Maybe I was incorrect about the snowfall aspect last night…….just sayin’ is all……maybe Bitterlaw includes a lawyers “snowjobs” in his count……

    “Snowfall is a huge factor in measuring winter weather.”

    (Typed in “average snowfall _ _ _ _ _ _ _ )

    Montreal = 82″
    Toronto = 48″
    Minneapolis = 46″
    Boston = 44″
    Detroit = 40″
    Chicago = 36″
    NYC = 30″
    Pittsburgh = 28″
    Brooklyn = 25″

    ***St Louis = 16″***
    **Philadelphia = 13″**
    Nashville = 7”

    Oh well, trust, but verify!

  38. NYCmike says:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/chief-justice-john-roberts-supreme-court-june/index.html

    -CNN ratchets up the pressure on Roberts……how late is he able to change his vote in a particular case?

  39. mnw says:

    RAS today is 50/47 & -4.

    Trump’s JA of 50 is 3 points better than Zero’s JA at this point in his first term.

  40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    35. “Without knowing anything whatsoever about Gov. Justice, I just ASSUMED he was in poor health. How could he not be?”

    Not that this takes away from the fact he is horribly obese, but he is 6.8 feet in height.

  41. NYCmike says:

    “All national, state, municipal and neighborhood polls will show Trump ahead by double digits for all races.”

    -I like jason’s fantasy thinking in this statement…..especially since he is the first one to come up with such a thought.

    I know Tina and/or Chicon haven’t claimed to see such polls.

  42. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina bitches because Dave posts polls showing Biden in the lead.

  43. NYCmike says:

    Is that right, Mr. Snow Miser?

  44. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw – The Philadelphia fans at the bar who supported the Nlyes are getting roasted on sports radio here. They may have to move to St. Louis.

  45. NYCmike says:

    Sarah Sanders out? Too bad.

  46. NYCmike says:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/america-is-stuck-with-a-dollar400-billion-stealth-fighter-that-cant-fight

    -Who were the backers of this plane?

    Amazing! I hope to God that this report is bogus!

  47. DW says:

    House to Hold Hearing on Slavery Reparations…

    Again. I ask how in the world this works out. Burning questions:

    1) What if you are white, but your ancestors lived in the north and they aided the underground railroad effort to help escaping slaves? Does that get you an exemption from having to pay reparations?

    2) What about if you are black, but your ancestors lived in Africa during American slavery and were known to have sold other blacks to the slave ships bound for America? Does that get you a penalty?

    3) What if you are white and your ancestors were known to have been slave traders and fought for the south in the Civil war? Does that get you the death penalty?

  48. Tina says:

    Bitterlaw bitches period.

  49. Tina says:

    Now, in real polls:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    ·
    11m
    Remember I said after D Day/Mexico it takes a week for news to filter into polls-it has started now; Aggregate 47%

    Trump Approval today RV/LV
    Rasmussen 50%
    YouGov 47% Blacks 21%
    The Hill Harris 45% Blacks 22%
    Harrisx 45% Blacks 21%

  50. Tina says:

    Biden appears to be free falling now. Pocahontas is surging.

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    ·
    29m
    Terrible news for Harris, bad for Biden-fantastic for Warren;

    LA Times/Berkeley IGS
    Biden 22, Warren 18, Sanders 17, Harris 13, Buttigieg 10, O’Rourke 3

  51. mnw says:

    Mike

    Me too. I’ll miss Sanders. She was perfect in that job.

    Tina

    The polls are definitely better. You’d have to be willfully blind not to notice. And btw, I could care less what “registered voters” think this far out. 30%-40% of them won’t be voting, & they skew DEMbigtime of course.

    I wish Trump would stop punching down at irritating political nonentities (Bette Midler & John Dean recently, & countless others earlier), but… I’m not holding my breath.

  52. Tina says:

    Losing Sarah is a blow.

    She was a really good press secretary.

    Better than the garbage Mute 43 had in his second term.

  53. Tina says:

    Mnw, i think it’s too early to coronate anybody, Biden included. I am not sold on him.

    I have seen that Pocahontas and Bernie. Appear to be surging.

    Biden has not had a good two weeks. They have been
    disastrous with the groping, plagiarizing, and he looks ill.

  54. Messy says:

    49. YouGov is 45%, Tina. NO tolerance for typos, especially poll numbers.

  55. mnw says:

    The Oberlin College jury has awarded maximum PUNITIVE damages. Oberlin is now on the hook for over $40 million, total.

  56. Tgca says:

    Cincuenta y seis pootahs!

  57. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    And if you think that Trump is bad, here is Jim Treacher’s summary of Biden’s recent activity:

    “He flip-flopped on the Hyde Amendment, which bars the use of federal funds for abortion. He went back and forth on it at least twice, but who’s counting?
    He declared that when he’s elected president, he’s going to cure cancer. (Apparently Joe wasn’t able to convince Obama to solve that problem, but this time it’ll be different.)
    He repeated his claim that while he was vice president, “there wasn’t one single hint of a scandal or a lie.” This is, of course, a scandalous lie.
    He also repeated the delusional, fact-free claim that Stacey Abrams actually won the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race, blaming the inconvenient real-world result on “voter suppression.”
    He and Trump got into a namecalling contest, which is a handy reminder that they’re both septuagenarians who never quite left elementary school.
    There was some plagiarism, because this is Biden we’re talking about.
    And of course, Joe sprinkled all of it with some more creepy statements to, and about, women and girls.”

  58. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    55. “The Oberlin College jury has awarded maximum PUNITIVE damages. Oberlin is now on the hook for over $40 million, total.:

    Warren and Sander will claim the federal government should pay it since they want all college education to be free –slandering a small business is clearly something students should be taught in college.

  59. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #54- Moron Messy

    Tina is 110% correct about the You Gov/Economist Poll today. Please see the Registered Voters’ percentages in answer to Question 2. 47% approval & 49% disapproval. Tina awaits your mea culpa!

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/etaz6xp4ct/tabs_Trump_Tweets_20190611.pdf

  60. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    59. “Tina awaits your mea culpa!”

    Keep in mind that Messy believe mea culpa is something you pour into a coffee cup.

  61. mnw says:

    To the extent that MSM are covering Oberlin verdict at all, the meme is, “College attempt to protect free speech misconstrued by local jury.”

  62. CG says:

    Toronto championship= Return of Cory?

  63. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

  64. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina hardest hit.

    https://www.mediaite.com/radio/alan-dershowitz-declares-he-would-support-biden-over-trump-in-2020/

    Dershowitz is a brilliant man. Even when he is wrong, he explains his wrong position brilliantly.

  65. jason says:

    I am glad the Raptors won, was tired of the Warriors.

  66. jason says:

    Dershowitz is a flaming liberal.

    He has been fair to Trump.

    Both can be true.

  67. jason says:

    Toronto championship= Return of Cory?

    Another sign….

    “Tina is 110% correct…”

  68. jason says:

    We live in surreal times.

    Trump said if offered information on an opponent he would listen to it, refer to FBI if he thought it was obtained by illegal means.

    Horrors… CNN headline.. Trump open to foreign interference on 2020 election.

    Hillary campaign actually pays foreign agents to obtain dirt on Trump in foreign countries.

    Crickets.

  69. jason says:

    I think Rory McIlroy will be hard to beat at the US Open.

    If you disagree GFY.

  70. Bitterlaw says:

    Dershowitz was fair to Trump and Manafort. However, Tina must now make up a derogatory nickname for him.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Flag Day!

  72. Tina says:

    At least Derkowitz is consistent with civil rights and the rule of law. He was not silent, like many real “rs” were silent during the witch-hunt,

    The same “Rs” that are upset with trump over his comments on getting info from foreigners. the Same “Rs” that are silent when Warner, the dnc, and Hillary paid $ to foreigners to get info from foreigners,

    Derkowitz is not an R.

  73. Tina says:

    This is the logic that the drats will use to explain these apparent discrepancies over assistance from foreigners:

    Elizabet( Harrington
    ?
    @LizRNC
    Mind-numbing spin right here

    Matt Miller says it is perfectly OK for Hillary and DNC to accept disinformation on their opponent from a foreign national as long as they *hired* them and paid for it

    “Campaigns do that from time to time, that’s what the DNC did”

  74. Tina says:

    So, Mullah Omar has s an apparent tax cheat. She now sent an email telling her supporters to shut the story down, written by a mn reporter.

    7 years for tax fraud

    And Obstruction.

  75. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    In Rasmussen(less) polling, the Donald ends the week at 51% approval and 47% disapproval.
    (mnw usually does this update, but he’s trying to recover from binging after the Blues won the Stanley Cup on Wednesday!)

  76. Tina says:

    Stock ,skeet down due to Economic data from China, the jebots favorite country,

    China’s Industrial output is the weakest in 17 years.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/14/china-may-industrial-output-weakest-in-17-years.html

    Finally, two more companies announce pullouts from China, including Sharp,

  77. mnw says:

    RAS today 51/47 & -3.

    That’s 3 points better than Zero, at the corresponding date in 2011.

  78. NYCmike says:

    “Tina hardest hit.”

    -Bitterlaw,

    What garbage!

    Keep this up, and you will be hard-pressed to not be nominated as this years Dirtiest A-Hole.

  79. NYCmike says:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/448459-federal-employees-turn-their-backs-on-agriculture-secretary-over

    -Is it bad of me that this makes me laugh!?!?

    These people need to “check their privilege”!

  80. Tina says:

    Jesse Kelly
    ?
    @JesseKellyDC
    If Kellyanne Conway is going to politic from an official government position, she doesn’t need to be fired. She needs to transfer to the FBI.

    4,328
    10:43 AM – Jun 13, 2019

  81. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/fear-of-a-blue-texas-new-gop-group-to-spend-millions-registering-republicans

    -I hope the Republicans take this approach in every state that was decided by less than 10 points.

  82. NYCmike says:

    #83 – Bitterlaw to defend the FBI in 3…..2….1…..

  83. VictrC says:

    Random thoughts.

    I am watching the US Open and when the commercials come on I sit and watch with amazement at this they purposely manipulate the racial makeup of the actors (same goes with the kids shows on TV that my 3 and 5 year old watch). I said to myself wtf is going on, and realize this is how the liberal “mafia” controls the narrative, then thought back to my own experience.

    We made a commercial a couple of years ago and I chose the actor and actresses that I thought best reflected the brand, the message and to be honest, looked good. The Director went apoplectic. She wanted me to choose these “hero_in chic” actresses and someone else for the male. Never one to back down I said no, and we moved on. On the first day of the shoot she announced to everyone, “Ok, we’re ready for the Ayri_an shoot now.”

    That’s the headwind we are facing now, and that is all thanks to eight years of Obama pounding that message home.

  84. Robbie says:

    Jason fraud to himself- “These polls are lies. Trump leads everywhere. We don’t need to consider an alternative to Trump. Even if he loses nationally by 10, some cuck Republican would lose by more. The only poll that matters is muh Rasmussen.”

    Aaron Blake
    @AaronBlake

    Trump’s internal poll #s are out. And both they and his team’s response paint a bleak picture.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/14/trumps-internal-poll-numbers-are-out-both-they-his-teams-response-paint-bleak-picture/

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – I see your point but I don’t see why it worries or affronts you. We should want all different kinds of people to associate with one another if they choose. Only Democrats and Klansmen want people to stay in one group and act as a unit.

  86. Phil says:

    Didn’t want to get to the weekend without offering my congrats to Oberlin College. Well done, woke pussies. Not only did you flop at shutting down a legit business, you managed to bankrupt your entire so called “college”.

    Left wing fascists – enjoy your just desserts.

    LMAO

  87. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s internal poll #s are out. And both they and his team’s response paint a bleak picture.”

    -If anything will make me smile, it is a “Republican” rejoicing in internal polls publicized by the WAPO which show his party’s candidate will be defeated in the next Presidential election.

  88. NYCmike says:

    Aaron Blake may be the b*st*rd child of Lord Ashcroft! 🙂

  89. dblaikie says:

    Leave it to Wormtongue to get excited by polls from 4 months ago. Sorry Worm, ancient history — if true.

  90. Tina says:

    I am still excited that there is muh Russian collusion out there, somewhere,

    Jebot

  91. Victrc says:

    Bitter

    I think I didn’t make my point clear. I could care less about who someone is, who they love, when they come from. If you’d see my employees you’d reali: that, as well as my life (I speak fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico, etc)

    My point was it’s so forced, so fake. Rather than just showing people in commercials everything now has to have the right amount of this, the right amount of that. I think you, and everyone here would judge someone based on the person, not their demographic, but with liberals it’s all about demographics. It’s the antithesis of identiy politics.

    I apologize if it came off any other way, lord knows I didn’t mean it that way.

  92. Victrc says:

    Seriously. I totally hope no one misinterprets what I said, I tried to make a point about identity politics and it came out seriously wrong.

    Apologies.

  93. NYCmike says:

    Victrc,

    Your point was very clear. Political correctness run amok will be just as damaging as racism was in the past, if it is allowed to be the organizing principle of our society.

  94. NYCmike says:

    “Only Democrats and Klansmen want people to stay in one group and act as a unit.”

    -How Bitterlaw could get this out from what you said is a bit frightening.

  95. Bitterlaw says:

    Only Vic and NYC could give a damn or see some threat over how many minorities are in a tv show or commercial.

  96. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw, once again, ignores the fact that Victrc DID NOT count minorities, someone else did.

    Victrc just used PEOPLE. aka INDIVIDUALS.

    NOT GROUPS.

  97. NYCmike says:

    Oops, maybe Victrc did count groups, watching today.

    I was speaking about his commercial from several years ago.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – You are a good guy. I just don’t even notice the race or other factors anymore. It does not make be better than anybody else. It is not virtue signaling. It is indifference.

  99. Victrc says:

    Bitter

    I don’t care, nor am I threatened by the number of minority’s in a commercial. Not even the least. Anyone who knows me or whose seen me post for 15 years knows that.

    I very poorly tried to make a point about identify politics using a really poor analogy that I immediately regretted. And I do regret how it came out because I didn’t make the point I was trying to make, which was:

    Most conservatice don’t give a hoot about the color of your skin, who you choose to love, or where you’re from, it’s actualy liberals that care and look at people through lenses.

  100. NYCmike says:

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/14/million-person-protests-beijing-hong-kong-warrant-response-trump/

    -I hope this ends better than Tiananmen Square did. It is just a little over 30 years later…..

  101. Bitterlaw says:

    I also expressed myself less clearly and in a more confrontational way than I could have. We agree that it is libs creating divisions.

  102. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @NateSilver538

    “Empirically, the margin of error on general election polls conducted this far out is around… 25 points!”

    He makes a good point.

  103. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    104. “… I just don’t even notice the race or other factors anymore. It does not make be better than anybody else. It is not virtue signaling. It is indifference.”

    Sorry Bitter, but your attempt to sweep race under the rug and virtue signal is a sign of bigotry, From the Guardian:

    “I don’t see race! is usually their next tactic, followed by I am colorblind, though they never give credit to Stephen Colbert. By “colorblind” they don’t actually mean that they can’t see green or red; rather, they are suggesting that they can’t ever be racist, because they don’t register skin color at all.
    This ideology is very popular – like a racial utopic version of the Golden Rule – but it’s actually quite racist. “Colorblindness” doesn’t acknowledge the very real ways in which racism has existed and continues to exist, both in individuals and systemically. By professing not to see race, you’re just ignoring racism, not solving it.”

  104. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    109. It used to be that it was considered improper and impolite to discuss race at all; the problem is it makes African-Americans feel invisible and left out; they cannot talk about their heritage, and the experiences they have had in life — their very existence becomes almost a taboo subject.

    I now readily ask friends I have who are African-American about their background, where they grew up, and issues they face. They enjoy the honest dialogue. Its like coming out of the closet. There are awkward moments, but working through them makes people closer.

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    The Guardian is the UK’s version of Pravda. I will not lose sleep over its position.

    I am not superior to anybody. I am inferior to many. GFY.

  106. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    111. Both your and and Victrc’s comments were appropriately made, and good for opening up a dialogue. I don’t have a problem with either of them. The comment made to Victrc that ““Ok, we’re ready for the Ayri_an shoot now” was totally inappropriate.

  107. jason says:

    Jason fraud to himself- “These polls are lies. Trump leads everywhere.”

    Amoral Scumbag is unhinged.

    I defended Dave against attacks by whiners complaining that he posts polls favorable to the Dems, so I am hardly on the “Trump leads everywhere” team.

    As far as “alternatives to Trump”, does Amoral Scumbag really see anybody defeating Trump for the nomination?

    In any case, I don’t vote in R primaries anymore, if I did I would vote for Trump over Weld.

    In the GE I will vote for the best candidate. Between Trump and the socialists running against him, it’s an easy choice.

    This is not rocket science. Any “conservative” that thinks the country would be better off under a socialist because they don’t like Trump is a moron.

  108. Robbie – “Posts a respectful differing opinion that’s still conservative.”

    Hedgehog Hivemind – “THAT MOTHER%*#(( AMORAL SCUM(%#(.!”

    Jesus Christ most of you ingrates are delusional, narcississtic psychopaths. May god have mercy on your souls and bring you a quick death.

  109. Tgca says:

    104. Bitter doesn’t notice race any more? Really? Typical! Humph!

    Well I do! I notice the white privilege here in HHR…as well as your hetero privilege.

    Shame on all you white breeders.

    Make
    America
    Gay
    Again

  110. Tgca says:

    111

    Finally! Bitter admits his inferiority to me. I’ve been waiting like 15+ years fir that acknowledgement.

    Thank you for your honesty Bitter. Men who love to wear cardigan sweaters and frequent flower shows clearly are not in my league.

  111. Tgca says:

    114

    TrumpisPeteWilson called HHR posters:

    Delusional
    Narcissistic
    Psychopaths

    Oooh! I like that! DNP! DNP!

    DNP!

  112. Tina says:

    Breaking in a court filing, fib, doj make an admission:

    When the DOJ responded to the Stone motion they made a rather significant admission. Not only did the FBI not review the DNC server, the FBI/DOJ never even saw the Crowdstrike report.”

  113. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

  114. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca- Isaid inferior to many, not all. I am still superior to those from Newark. GFY.

  115. Tgca says:

    120

    Damn Bergen County white-privileged snob!

  116. mnw says:

    Off to the parade!… in the middle of a thunderstorm!

    I DREAD playing in all that traffic, too. My consolation is, I expect I’ll only be doing this once.

  117. Bitterlaw says:

    Essex County bitch!

  118. Tgca says:

    Mnw is off to June parade?

    I did not know you celebrated and attended Gay Pride events in June. Have funnnnnnnnnnnnn.

  119. jason says:

    delusional, narcississtic psychopaths”

    Sniff, it would have been worth some points but the dumbass troll made it generic….

  120. jason says:

    May god have mercy on your souls and bring you a quick death.”

    This is the same troll who was upset someone got called an Amoral Scumbag.

  121. jason says:

    The troll should hope that Proud Obamacon doesn’t see his post mentioning God, he is already probably making lists of people to be sent to re-education camps when the Marxist take over.

  122. jason says:

    Women’s World Cup

    Netherlands 3 Cameroon 1

  123. Wes says:

    So in a sport that’s even less thrilling than snail racing, the Netherlands is beating Cameroon.

    yay

  124. jason says:

    Teen who stabbed her mother 60 times would not do it again… well ok then…

    “An Indiana teen who fatally stabbed her mother has been sentenced to 45 years in prison.

    On Wednesday, 17-year-old Chastinea Reeves was sentenced by a Lake Superior Court judge as part of a plea deal, the Chicago Tribune, WGNTV and NWI Times report.

    During the hearing, the teen told the judge she regretted murdering her mother.

    “If I could go back, I wouldn’t do it,” Reeves said. “I do miss my mother.”

  125. Tgca says:

    Ciento y trienta Bebe!

  126. Tgca says:

    130 Pootah!

  127. Wes says:

    Tell me, Tg, are you an obnoxious, flamboyant extrovert in real life, or do you just play one on the internet?

  128. Tgca says:

    Obnoxious? Most definitely!
    Flamboyant? Nope.
    Extrovert? Nope.

    Anything else? If not…

    MAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

  129. jason says:

    No wonder Proud ObamaCON is so excited.

    “Bernie Sanders’ ‘Economic Bill of Rights’ Taken Nearly Verbatim From Stalin’s 1936 Soviet Constitution”

    Amoral Scumbag to say “but but but Stormy Daniels in 3, 2, 1…”

  130. jason says:

    “Tell me, Tg, are you an obnoxious, flamboyant extrovert in real life, or do you just play one on the internet?”

    wes, the guy eats like five pounds of sugar a day, what do you expect?

  131. jason says:

    131. Tgca says:
    June 15, 2019 at 11:33 am

    Ciento y trienta Bebe!”

    Mira, cabrón, es ciento y trienta y uno, donde aprendistes a contar?

  132. Tgca says:

    137

    Foul mouth llama-loving meat eater. Shame!

    You stole my spot at 130. 2x shame!

  133. jason says:

    It’s foul mouth llama meat eater to you.

  134. jason says:

    I saw this quote over at Instapundit.

    Unfortunately, it is true.

    ‘The Left Has Won the Culture Wars. Now They’re Just Driving Around Shooting Survivors.’

  135. jason says:

    You have to love the MSM…

    CNN:

    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blamed Iran for an attack on two tankers in the Gulf of Oman, saying the assessment was based on intelligence, but offering no evidence for his claim”

    This is the same network that pushed the collusion canard for years based on zero evidence, and is now concerned about investigations into the lack of evidence by claiming “classified information might be compromised”.

  136. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Minnesota poll has Warren ahead of Biden

    Warren 21%
    Biden 20%
    Sanders 19%
    Klobuchar 16%
    Buttigieg 11%
    Harris 4%
    O’Rourke 3%
    Yang 2%

    Elizabeth Warren (21%) has a one-point lead over Joe Biden (20%) and a two-point lead over Bernie Sanders (19%) in the Minnesota Democratic primary. Warren, Biden, and Sanders are followed by Amy Klobuchar (16%), Pete Buttigieg (11%), Kamala Harris (4%), Beto O’Rourke (3%), and Andrew Yang (2%). All other candidates poll at 1% or less.”

    https://www.changeresearch.com/minnesota-poll-june-8-12-2019

  137. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    142. The demographic breakdown of the poll:

    “27% of women voters support Warren, followed by Biden (20%) and Klobuchar (19%). The top three shifts among men voters: they prefer Sanders (30%), Biden (19%), and Buttigieg (14%). 18- to 34-year-old voters prefer Sanders (22%) by two points over Warren and Klobuchar (20%). Sanders’ lead widens among 35- to 49-year-old voters; he leads at 29% ahead of Warren (23%) and Biden (14%) in that group. 50- to 64-year-old voters support Biden (21%), Klobuchar and Buttigieg (19%); voters 65 and older also choose Biden (27%) first, followed by Warren (24%) and Klobuchar (20%).”

    Ouch for Klubuchar. She is running 4th in her home state.

  138. jason says:

    Tiger in the last 9 holes he played at the US Open.

    2 pars, 5 bogeys, 2 birdies.

    I still like Rory to win, although Koepka is nicely positioned too.

  139. Tina says:

    Biden is sinking. It is obviously to many, outside of the Biden Report.

    (I will trigger my favorite attorney, Bl).

  140. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    You should enjoy the “Biden Report”, its like watching the move Titanic. In both cases your watching something go down. You should thank David for keeping us informed of all polls, and providing a forum in which we can all talk.

  141. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @Education4Libs
    “Dear liberals, “My body, my choice” is perfectly fine if you want to get a tattoo, eat a few extra desserts, wear an embarrassing outfit, pierce a body part, or cut your hair. But it does NOT apply when that choice is to execute a living child. That is their body, not yours.”

  142. Tina says:

    And Pocahontas is surging.

    Drudge has a major piece on her, thru politico.

  143. mnw says:

    124 Tg

    Funny!

    I survived the parade. It took me an hour & a half to get out of downtown STL & onto the Interstate, though– that’s a distance of appx 2-3 miles.

    The players were having a ball. Ryan O’Reilly, with his big bushy beard, cavorted in a black hat like those rabbis sometimes wear– a big, strapping young Irish-Canadian rabbi.

  144. Wes says:

    An RRH “Republican” is claiming to have an anonymous source telling him Manchin is actually likely to run for Governor.

    I find that a remote possibility because Manchin knows Schumer wants him in the Senate. Besides that, Manchin is no lock to return to Charleston. Further, if Manchin runs and wins, Republicans are highly likely to win his Senate seat. If he runs and loses, he may hurt his Senate reelection bid in 2024.

    Then again West Virginians have a collective IQ that makes a paramecium look as smart as Einstein, so I can’t totally discount Manchin’s benefiting from a run.

  145. Wes says:

    This should tell you how stupid West Virginians are:

    Liz Warren—yes, that Liz Warren—endorsed him, yet West Virginians voted for him.

    He’s the only Democrat Warren endorsed in a state that’s reliably GOP for President to win.

    Thanks, West Virginia!

    Good job, idiots!

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    My dad will be 92 next month. He has started saying vulgar things. He never spoke like that. Some people tell me it could be a sign of dementia or Alzheimer’s. Sad.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I never said Biden would win the nomination or the WH. I said that Dave posting polls showing Biden leading is no different than Dave posting polls in 2004 showing W ahead or polls in any other year showing who is leading in polls. You are triggered by polls about Biden for reasons known only to you.

  148. Tgca says:

    Ciento y cincuenta y cinco Bebe!

  149. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy Fathers Day, Mf-ers.

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    Owners of dogs and llamas can celebrate, too.

  151. Victrc says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers here on HHR and to Dave a special father’s day to you. I know you hbe an amazing family and I hope you have a great day.

    To the rest of you….

  152. jason says:

    If he runs and loses, he may hurt his Senate reelection bid in 2024.”

    I think if he runs for Governor, win or lose, he is done with the Senate, at least as it pertains for 2024.

    Manchin is a flaming liberal, but he knows that is not enough to command respect from the moonbats who think he is a DINO. We see this in the R party too, if you are not 100% litmus test pure you are a RINO.

    So he might well be tired of being somewhat of fish out of water in the Dem caucus and thinking an executive position like Governor is more attractive.

  153. jason says:

    Owners of dogs and llamas can celebrate, too.”

    So far, very little recognition for all I do for them.

    The cat is ignoring me completely. The dog let me know the food dish was empty and taking a day off from feeding him was not an option. The llamas don’t seem to think the day is special at all, ungrateful bastards.

  154. jason says:

    US vs. Chile coming up at noon in the Women’s World Cup on Fox.

    Meanwhile Sweden 4 Thailand 0, 10 minutes to go in game.

  155. Wes says:

    Oh, wow! A soccer match!

    How many people will stop three feet short of a collision after developing a sudden case of severe osteoporosis and miraculously heal within seconds of being put on a stretcher to run back into the game?

  156. VictrC says:

    Wes…could be worse. Can you believe One Billion (yes, thats 1 with nine zeros) will watch the India – Pakistan cricket match in the Cricket World Cup today.

    These matches are so contentious they have almost started wars, and each has a three digit number associated with it.

    Crazy

  157. jason says:

    I don’t understand cricket rules at all. Sticky wicket, bowling, overs, no balls, golden duck, etc. all Greek to me.

    However, it seems to be a very civilized sport, because you break for lunch and tea, not to mention sleep since the match lasts for 5 days.

    I am thinking of taking up the sport just for the lunches.

    “After about 2 hours or 30 overs, the players return for their lunch break. Lunch is a really nice spread. It generally has 3 to 5 dishes, from vegetables, potato wedges, and pulses for people who are vegetarian to chicken, lamb and fish for those who like to eat meat, apart from various forms of breads. There is also ice cream”

  158. jason says:

    How many people will stop three feet short of a collision after developing a sudden case of severe osteoporosis and miraculously heal within seconds of being put on a stretcher to run back into the game?”

    It’s the miracle water that they spray on the injury that gets them going again.

  159. Wes says:

    So basically Vince McMahon should be running soccer, Jason.

  160. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not want a Democrat to be President. However, if Trump does lisein 2020, I want Warren or Harris to win for the sole reason that Hillary’s Head will explode that a woman was elected President and it was not her.

  161. jason says:

    The true impact of tariffs explained by libertarian think tank Cato Institute.

    Don’t believe any fantasy that the tariffs are not a tax hike on the American consumer.

    “When tariffs (or duties) are imposed at the U.S. border, those costs get factored into the prices paid for each transaction in the supply chain and, ultimately, by box store customers like you and me. China is not paying those tariffs. And trade wars are neither good nor easy to win.

    In 2017, before the onset of the trade war, U.S. importers purchased $504 billion of goods from China and paid tariffs (or duties) of $13.5 billion to U.S. Customs and Border Protection — about 2.7%.

    Last July, tariffs of 25% were imposed on approximately $50 billion of imports from China, and in September, tariffs of 10% were imposed on an additional $200 billion of Chinese goods.

    Year-end figures show that in 2018, U.S. importers purchased $543 billion of goods from China and paid duties of $23 billion — 4.2%. That nearly $10 billion increase in tariffs paid came out of the wallets of American consumers.

    If the president follows through with his plan to hit all imports from China with 25% tariffs, Americans should expect to have to absorb a consumption tax bill in the neighborhood of $100 billion — 10 times greater than they had to swallow this year, if their consumption patterns were similar.

    Trump likes to remind audiences that he signed into law a tax bill last year that significantly reduced taxes, which he argues gives American households more spending power. His trade war is almost certain to wipe out the benefits of his much ballyhooed tax reform.”

  162. jason says:

    Has Tina started the “Trump Report” yet?

    Maybe she can show a poll where Trump is leading by 90 in a rural county in Oklahoma just to get some real excitement going.

  163. jason says:

    USA subs 3 Chile 0 38 minutes of the first half

  164. Tina says:

    The Biden Report is testy these days,

  165. Tina says:

    China hacks and gets a free pass by the GOP-e

  166. Tina says:

    Mulehead clams that Russians hacked the dnc absent any investigation by the corrupt Fib. All lies given the speed of transfer and Binneys Statement.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/heres-more-ammunition-for-roger-stone-additional-reasons-on-why-muellers-story-that-the-dnc-was-hacked-by-russians-is-a-fairy-tale/

  167. jason says:

    I hope it will ok with the Trump Report if Dave posts this…

    “Fox News poll released early Sunday shows President Trump trailing five Democratic contenders, including former Vice President Joe Biden, by as many as 10 points.

    The poll, conducted June 9 to June 12, shows Biden ahead of Trump, 49 percent to 39 percent. It also shows Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) topping the president, 49 percent to 40 percent.

    Three other candidates also polled ahead of Trump, albeit within the survey’s margin of error. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) came out ahead of Trump by 2 points, while Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) have 1-point leads.”

  168. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    177. Here was the Fox News poll the day before the November 2016 election:

    “With one day before Election Day, Hillary Clinton has a four percentage-point lead over Donald Trump, according to the final Fox News national pre-election poll of likely voters.

    She’s ahead by 48-44 percent, while Gary Johnson receives 3 percent and Jill Stein 2 percent.”

  169. Wes says:

    So Fox undercut Trump by 2 and nailed Hillary’s percent.

    If that holds true this time, then Trump against his strongest opponents loses the by enough to flip PA, MI, and WI and give the Dems back the White House.

    I’m not sure how that’s good news for Trump.

  170. jason says:

    The Biden Report is testy these days,”

    Yes, while hose incessantly whining that a polling blog is actually posting polls are calm and collected.

  171. Wes says:

    Forget the Delbov Curve. Trump literally can’t win if he runs nationally further behind the Dem nominee than in 2016.

    He has his solid core of supporters, but they’re not enough to win if Dems are running further than two points ahead of him nationally.

  172. jason says:

    77. Here was the Fox News poll the day before the November 2016 election”

    Translation:

    Because they were slightly off on the poll before election 2016 they must certainly be wrong on a poll a year and a half before the next election.

    I love this place.

  173. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Fox News Democratic candidate poll also did not show a decline in support for Biden, as other recent polls have shown. Instead it showed a decline in support for Sanders.

    “2020 Dem National Poll:

    Biden 32% (+1)
    Sanders 13% (-10)
    Warren 9% (+5)
    Buttigieg 8% (+7)
    Harris 8% (-)
    O’Rourke 4%
    Booker 3%
    Klobuchar 2%
    Yang 2%
    Everyone else at or below 1%”

  174. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    179. “I’m not sure how that’s good news for Trump.”

    Did anyone say that was good news for Trump?

  175. Tina says:

    Testy and triggered.

    The Biden Report is testy these days,”

    Yes, while hose incessantly whining that a polling blog is actually posting polls are calm and collected.

  176. Tina says:

    Impeach Ralky or a Joe Biden crowd, or some people refuse to leave the 1960s behind:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1140320600289792000

  177. phoenixrisen says:

    #181 – Long way to go Wes. Trump likely wins Re-election. Power of incumbency, massive fundraising advantage, the booming gains in the economy regarding jobs, more polished politically since he was in 2016. I just don’t see any Dem candidate beating him. Trump is a brawling heavyweight and ever Dem candidate I see is a paperweight. Once the Dem nominee gets into the ring with Trump and his campaign, it ain’t going to be pretty for them.

  178. Wes says:

    Ask GHWB how well that power of incumbency and expanding economy worked out f

  179. Wes says:

    Ask GHWB how well that power of incumbency and expanding economy worked out for him with a subpar approval rating and energized opposition in 1992, Phoenix.

  180. Wes says:

    Ford was an incumbent President too with a recovering economy (though an unelected President) in 1976. His opponent was an unknown lightweight who had been at best an average Governor.

    How’d that work out?

  181. Wes says:

    The power of incumbency—which, given its frequent use here, is an obvious Trump supporter talking point—works when the incumbent is popular. Outside Rasmussen, Trump has routinely been at the threshold of assured defeat for incumbent Presidents for two years now.

    Trump may be a powerful brawler, but Mike Tyson could make the same claim. That didn’t mean Tyson couldn’t lose as we saw several times starting in 1990.

  182. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile, Ocasio-Cortez is fearful Trump will win unless the Democrats nominate someone on the far left.

    “In her first Sunday morning show appearance since taking office in January, New York Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warned that there is “very real risk” President Trump will win re-election in 2020, and acknowledged that progressive frustration with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is also “quite real.”

    The comments struck an unusually defensive tone for the 29-year-old progressive firebrand, as Democrats seek to winnow their large list of 23 presidential contenders. Ocasio-Cortez also spoke bluntly on her initiative to repeal the Hyde Amendment, which bars most federal funding for abortion — and 2020 Democrat frontrunner Joe Biden’s abrupt reversal on the issue earlier this month.

    “I think that we have a very real risk of losing the presidency to Donald Trump if we do not have a presidential candidate that is fighting for true transformational change in the lives of working people in the United States,” Ocasio-Cortez told ABC News’ Jon Karl on “This Week” Sunday.

    “I think that if we elect a president on half-measures that the American people don’t quite understand — the agenda of a president, you know, that says we’re fighting for higher wages but we don’t want a $15 minimum wage, fighting for education but we don’t want to make colleges tuition-free, fighting for women’s rights, et cetera, but we don’t want to go all the way with that, then I think we have a very real risk of losing the presidency,” Ocasio-Cortez continued.”

  183. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Someone finally gave a good explanation of the meaning of the Democrats Green New Deal: “When they say “Green New Deal” they mean “we are taking more of your green and you have to deal with it.”

  184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Another purported OAC quote: “I love Christmas, today I saw a person give a phone, a watch and a wallet to someone who only had a knife.”

  185. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    OAC is a strong supporter of the space program:
    “Yes, we can land on the sun. We just have to do it at night.

  186. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    OAC survived an assassination attempt: “”I wondered why the frisbee was getting larger. Then it hit me.”

  187. janz says:

    So much speculation on an election many months away. In the meantime variables impacting the outcome are numerous and still counting: trade agreements in the balance; inquiries into dem misbehavior; dems entertaining & retrying Trump collusion/obstruction fantasies; Iranian issues; future Trump comments affronting people; the identity of the dem presidential candidate facing Trump….and, while current polling is interesting to proclaim or deny, it’s worthless in matters of an accurate prediction.

  188. janz says:

    Just as a follow-up to how little polling means at this juncture:

    Polls for past incumbent POTUS in June before their reelection year: 

    June 1983: Mondale 49%, Reagan 39% –
    June 1991: George H.W. Bush 51%, Democrat 28%, Don’t know 21% –
    June 1995: Dole 48%, Clinton 44% –
    June 2011: Republican 44%, Obama 39%

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    C C

  190. jason says:

    Polls are a snapshot in time and have little predictive value, we all know that. Trying to extrapolate current poll results to an election so far away is foolish.

    But speculating on what might happen is what we do.

  191. jason says:

    But it’s possible that the 2020 election, instead of a referendum on Trump, could be a referendum on socialism.

    If it is, the Dems might be making a mistake. They would be better off defeating Trump and THEN going for socialism.

    Instead, most of them are openly offering socialism.

    Higher risk/reward.

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Janz made the first “All the polls are wrong” post of the 2020 election.

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