Biden Leads Trump By 3% in NC

Public Policy Polling has been relatively quiet this year, but they did release a new poll for the state of North Carolina today that shows Joe Biden up on Donald Trump by 3%.

Joe Biden (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%
Kamala Harris (D) 46%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%
Elizabeth warren (D) 46%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 44%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 46%
Phil Berger (R) 39%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 45%
Dan Forest (R) 41%

Roy Cooper (D-inc) 46%
Tim Moore (R) 38%

This poll was done June 17-18 among 610 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:09 pm
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231 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 3% in NC”

  1. Bitterlaw says:


  2. jason says:


  3. jason says:

    Bitterblabber gets a few points….

  4. jason says:

    This poll is not great for Biden.

    He is supposed to be the guy that beats Trump by the widest margin, the electability factor.

    He does one point better than Bernie Sanders in NC?


  5. Phil says:

    Typical PPP. According to PPP Obama carried NC over Romney and Hillary carried NC against Trump.

    Me? I just wait until Wes gives us his scoop of the political landscape in his state an go for it. He hasn’t missed a call yet. PPP is a waste my time.

  6. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Piers Morgan is predicting Trump will be re-elected.

    “Importantly, and in contrast to 2016, Trump has the almost universal support of his party this time.
    The GOP’s come to the conclusion that his bark is worse than his bite, and Trump’s a winner.
    So they hold their nose when he says outrageous stuff because the cold hard reality of what he’s actually doing speaks louder than his inflammatory rhetoric.
    Trump, if you ignore the tweets and trash-talk, is delivering on many of his promises and performing like a solid Republican president.
    He’s got two conservatives onto the Supreme Court, he’s crushed ISIS in Syria and Iraq, he’s forced peace rather than expensive war, he’s got the economy motoring, and his tough positions on illegal immigration at the southern border and the serious danger posed by Iran have both been vindicated – at least to the GOP – by recent events.
    As a result, his base is happy.
    I’ve spent a lot of time filming crime documentaries in places like Texas, Florida and Alabama in the past year, and the Trump Train isn’t just still travelling in his heartland – it’s steaming.
    And the Democrats seem all over the place, unsure whether to go for the age and experience of Joe Biden or the youth and inexperience of a Mayor Pete, and even more unsure whether to pivot to the center or the left.
    They’ve stuck their heads like ostriches into the sand, and appear terrified to stick them out again lest the big bad beast of Trump shoots them down again.
    So as things stand – and notwithstanding unexpected events that can derail any presidency – I am going to ignore the polls and predict Trump will win comfortably in 2020.”

  7. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Good for Condi Rice.

    Either the (so-called) NBC reporter tried a GOTCHA question or is totally out to lunch. In either case, the reporter is a complete disgrace and deserved the BI*CH SLAP she received from Ms. Rice.

    ‘A must see!’ Condoleezza Rice was NOT buying into NBC News reporter’s spin on race relations under Trump [video]

  8. Tgca says:


  9. Tgca says:

    7 Sheeple

    I read that Condi interview yesterday. I love Condi! I’ve seen a few times where she has shown grace and full command in pushing back on nonsense. She has always been my choice to run for POTUS.

  10. Tina says:

    At least we are up to more than “one source.”

    “President Trump ordered military strike on Iran, but reversed at last second: Sources say


  11. Tina says:

    Since the Jebot loon mentioned illegals being seoarated at the border, here are the pictures of kids in cages during the Obama administration,

  12. Tina says:

    On Fox News Sunday, former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said that under the Barack Obama administration, they did detain some children alone and some families together, two policies for which Donald Trump has been widely blamed.

    Johnson told host Chris Wallace that they “thought it was necessary at the time,” and that it is still is.

    “Without a doubt the images, and the reality, from 2014, just like 2018, are not pretty,” Johnson said. “We expanded it, I freely admit it was controversial, we believed it was necessary at the time, I still believe it is necessary to remain a certain capability for families.”

  13. Wes says:

    The gubernatorial numbers on the poll are pretty accurate. Cooper is weaker than I would expect PPP to show in their poll though.

    Cooper’s problem is that while Republicans still hold the Legislature, Dems can sustain his vetoes. This takes him from powerless-but-popular Chief Executive to someone who can actually affect Tarheels’ lives. I suspect that accounts for the softness of his numbers.

    Surprisingly PPP is spot on in showing Forest is Cooper’s most formidable opponent. A race between them will be a nail biter next year.

    The presidential numbers are not too far off but a bit Dem friendly. It would take another 2008 for Dems to carry this state. Trump has lost some ground, but overall the partisan lean of the state buoys him while his rural/exurban base isn’t abandoning him. 49-47 Trump sounds reasonable for the result.

  14. CG says:

    14. Unaccompanied minors.

  15. CG says:

    The link with the interview with Johnson proves the point. That Administration did not separate families that crossed together. Words are tricky for some.

  16. Tina says:

    I like the foil blankets,

    Did Obama use Saran Wrap too?

  17. mnw says:

    49/49 & -1.

    2 points better than Zero on the same date in 2011.

    Doo dah. Doo dah.

  18. mnw says:

    I think Trump was absolutely right to cancel a proposed airstrike that was projected to kill appx 150 Iranians. That’s not proportional.

    Proportional would be destroying some piece of Iranian govt property that cost about the same as the drone, imo.

  19. Phil says:

    I tend to be on the hawkish side when it comes to the Iranians. They are bad actors and the biggest state sponsors of terror in the world today.

    That said, I think Trump’s decision not to retaliate militarily makes sense. Sanctions are biting hard. He is demonstrating to the Europeans we’re going out of our way to avoid war and that it’s the Iranians who are provoking things.

    If the Iranians thought that by shooting down the unmanned drone they could provoke Trump into escalating things and drive a further wedge between us and our European allies it clearly did not work. Trump did not bite. It probably had the opposite effect. Demonstrated to the world which side is really reckless.

  20. Tina says:

    No question that the mullahs are stretched think

    A lot of this will need to come from the Euros, who are sympathetic to the mullahs- see Mullah Merkel.

  21. Phil says:

    Organize international convoys through the strait. Make the Iranians attack the world. They become even more isolated.

  22. mnw says:

    The oil market also doesn’t favor the Iranian regime today, as it once did. U.S. AND Israel are both self-sufficient now, & the U.S. is a major oil exporter. (Israel is a major natural gas exporter, which few people know.)

    There’s also an oil glut at the moment, and the U.S. & the Saudis can increase the supply whenever they want to do so.

    So Iran has oil few will buy– because potential buyers don’t want to endure U.S. sanctions, & Iran’s currency is toilet paper. A nearly worthless rial is a new factor– that was never the case during our many previous disputes with them.

  23. Phil says:

    Absolutely true. The Iranians do not have the oil leverage they had before. Not even close. We are energy independent. The Iranians are screwed. Note to Obama – we DID drill our way out of energy dependence.

  24. Tina says:

    Seems like Goober Graham is upset, along with other gop e.

    Wanted another Middle East land war.

  25. NYCmike says:

    Iran attack:

    Like the decision to delay, do not like the reason given, LOVE the media doesn’t know how to attack Trump for the decision, LOVE the fact that Democrats came out to quick to condemn Trump BEFORE he took any action.

  26. NYCmike says:

    Robbie and “CG” disagree:

    “The GOP’s come to the conclusion that his bark is worse than his bite, and Trump’s a winner.
    So they hold their nose when he says outrageous stuff because the cold hard reality of what he’s actually doing speaks louder than his inflammatory rhetoric.
    Trump, if you ignore the tweets and trash-talk, is delivering on many of his promises and performing like a solid Republican president.
    He’s got two conservatives onto the Supreme Court, he’s crushed ISIS in Syria and Iraq, he’s forced peace rather than expensive war, he’s got the economy motoring, and his tough positions on illegal immigration at the southern border and the serious danger posed by Iran have both been vindicated – at least to the GOP – by recent events.”

  27. NYCmike says:

    -I keep asking my liberal friends to give an apology to Governor Palin for making fun of her “Drill Baby Drill!” mantra from 2008.

  28. NYCmike says:

    -Yup, and Trump saying nice things about the tyrannical dictator of North Korea is the real problem!

  29. Waingro says:

    New poll from Emerson has Tillis down 41-40 to Cal Cunningham in NC Senate Race. Smells very trashy to me.

  30. NYCmike says:

    -Bums can cr*p on the streets of San Francisco, but vaping will be banned!

    Funny line from the link:

    “This is a good idea. A youth walking down a San Francisco street for a vape refill might slip on some human feces and fall into a pile of dirty needles. We have to think about the children.”

  31. DW says:

    Gather the kids around the TV. Alonso is up to bat.

  32. NYCmike says:

    -The more I read about Tiananmen Square, the more I laugh when Trump is portrayed as “authoritarian” or “fascistic”.

  33. NYCmike says:

    DW really has the man-crush for Mr. Pete Alonso.

  34. jason says:


    “Special Prosecutor Appointed to Investigate Jussie Smollett, Kim Foxx’s Handling of the Case”

  35. NYCmike says:


    The McNeil kid is pretty darn good hitter as well!

  36. DW says:

    39 – just an amazing start to his career.

  37. DW says:

    McNeil is awesome too…just a pity the Mets stink overall. For years they struggle along with great pitching and nobody to hit, now they get a huge slugger who doesn’t strike out as much as Cespedes, plus someone hitting for average in McNeil, but now they cannot pitch.

    So they fire the pitching coach and hire an 82 year old replacement.

  38. NYCmike says:


    I have a friend, a die-hard Mets fan, actually had Mr. Met show up at his wedding to take pictures! I’ll have to try and get him to write on here, it will be a good place for him to vent if you are around!

  39. NYCmike says:

    “So they fire the pitching coach and hire an 82 year old replacement.”

    -between the Mets and the Jets, who fired their GM AFTER he chose a new coach, signed free agents, and drafted players, I don’t know which organization is more dysfunctional.

  40. DW says:

    “So they fire the pitching coach and hire an 82 year old replacement.”

    Just for those who don’t follow the Mets…the above was true, not a joke.

  41. CG says:

    In this series, the Mets’ Pitching coach is 82 and the Cubs pitching coach is 37.

    It’s like Sanders vs. Buttigieg.

  42. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is nuts. You would think the Democrats would have learned from how Trump milked the press for free publicity.

    “C-SPAN, Fox News, CBS News, CNN and ABC News have joined forces to formally protest the South Carolina Democratic Party’s decision to give MSNBC exclusive access to air live coverage on Saturday of its 2019 convention that will feature at least 21 of the party’s 2020 presidential hopefuls.
    MSNBC has live broadcast rights, which comes with a three-hour embargo on footage for reporters from other outlets — but five major networks are calling for the decision to be reversed.
    * * *
    Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Julian Castro, John Delaney, Bill de Blasio, Tulsi Gabbard, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Elizabeth Warren, Eric Swalwell and Bernie Sanders are among the high-profile candidates scheduled to speak at the event that will only air live on MSNBC.
    Following their appearances on the network, candidates are permitted to speak to other members of the press. But the arrangement with MSNBC has angered C-SPAN executives, as similar events are typically open to all news organizations for live coverage.
    Earlier in the week, C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully told Fox News he was “really disappointed” and a “bad taste” was left in his mouth over MSNBC receiving the exclusive access.
    “They’re shooting themselves in the foot,” Scully said.”

  43. NYCmike says:

    -Republicans across the fruited plain should push such legislation wherever they have these intrusive laws.

  44. NYCmike says:

    “This is nuts. You would think the Democrats would have learned from how Trump milked the press for free publicity.”


    The great part is that Trump will be live-tweeting while this is going on… you either have to watch MSLSD, or get on Trump’s Twitter feed.

    Which one do you think will be more entertaining??

  45. NYCmike says:

    On this longest day of 2019, who can’t use a couple of laughs!!

    ““Most people don’t have her scientific curiosity and intelligence,” said MSNBC pundit Chris Hayes. “Someone incurious like Trump would never look at a bucket and ask ‘Could my head fit inside that?’ But Ocasio-Cortez dives into such questions head first.”

  46. Wes says:

    Someone on RRH is advocating letting District-level activist Judges overturn Roe v. Wade and force the Supreme Court to affirm or overrule. In other words, attempted judicial activism a la the Terri Schiavo Debacle from the Right rather than the Left.

    Although I’m pro choice I’m not beholden to Roe, though I think this is a disaster waiting to happen if followed through on.

    Last year, suburban women turned out in force for the Dems because of loathing for Trump. Giving them an even greater reason to support Dems next year on an issue Republicans and conservatives had largely neutralized politically is just going to make things that much worse in 2020.

  47. Wes says:

    Remember, sweeping anti-abortion measures failed by double digits in South Dakota and Mississippi. If the Left had this issue to demagogue with tangible court cases I shudder to think just how bad 2020 would be for the GOP.

  48. NYCmike says:

    “a la the Terri Schiavo Debacle from the Right rather than the Left.”

    -People/organizations asked to take over care and financial responsibility of a person instead of allowing her to starve to death… call that a “Debacle”?……you are f*cked up, Wes.

  49. NYCmike says:

    And NO, I am not looking to have Roe vs Wade overturned. I believe the better way is to continue showing people how abortions are performed and by presenting other options to women, and public opinion will follow.

  50. Wes says:

    That’s a lie, Mikey. Typical of you. The Schindlers (her parents), Bill Frist, Rick Santorum, and JEB! all tried to intervene, get Congress to pass a law, and go judge shopping to keep her feeding tube inserted by the state despite no medical evidence of consciousness or hope of recovery. Finally a judge said enough is enough. She died shortly after the tube was removed. Her autopsy revealed a 2/3 liquefied brain.

    All of those people undermined their supposed principle of strict constitutionalism to save a woman who was already effectively dead.

  51. Wes says:

    Basically Mikey the Liar created a nonexistent set of circumstances to justify his advocacy of judicial activism to keep a brain dead woman forced to stay alive in a state no human being would want to experience.

    You’re a f ucked up individual, Mikey.

    Neal Boortz said it best when explaining why Terri Schiavo deserved to be released from the 14 years of being locked inside a body that had become a living tomb: “Because she’s earned it.”

  52. NYCmike says:

    What is a lie, Wes?

    I did not say anything about making laws, changing laws, etc.

  53. NYCmike says:

    There were individuals and organizations who had publicly stated they would incur the costs to take over the care of Schiavo.

    What did I lie about?

  54. NYCmike says:

    Sorry, I forgot to mention her parents wanted to take responsibility for her as well…….much better to let her starve to death…….14 days after the feeding tube was taken out……14 days…….

  55. Tina says:

    biec ?? Retweeted

    Will Chamberlain ??
    Bush administration officials are responsible for the catastrophically stupid Iraq War

    Obama administration officials are responsible for the catastrophically stupid Libyan intervention

    And they have the chutzpah to critique Trump for CALLING OFF an Iran strike?


  56. DW says:

    Mets take a 5-4 lead into the bottom of the ninth. Instead of putting in Diaz their failed closer, they instead bring in their 82 year old pitching coach to close out the game.

  57. Wes says:

    Mikey, the Shindlers were people of at best modest means. They wanted the taxpayers to continue to pay for her care.

    Now list these ethereal people and organizations who planned to take charge of her care.

    I’m sure they exist just as much as Saddam’s post-1991 WMDs.

  58. Wes says:

    Mikey pretends there was no constitutional overreach during the Terri Schiavo Debacle:

  59. Proud Obamacon says:

    The Pussy Grabber’s first two years were STOLLEN! He deserves a 6 year term right yall? LOL


  60. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Dictionary: “stollen[ stoh-luh?n;noun German Cookery. a sweetened bread made from raised dough, usually containing nuts, raisins, and citron.”

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Dresden Stollen (originally Striezel), a moist, heavy bread filled with fruit, was first mentioned in an official document in 1474,[5] and Dresdner Stollen remains notable[6] and available – amongst other places – at the Dresden Christmas market, the Striezelmarkt. Dresden Stollen is produced in the city of Dresden and distinguished by a special seal depicting King Augustus II the Strong. This “official” Stollen is produced by only 150 Dresden bakers.”

    Sounds yummy.

  62. Proud Obamacon says:

    SDC, yeah bruh I know. You missed MNW’s epic meltdown over STOLLEN apparently.. LOL


  63. mnw says:

    Dave must LOVE the trolls, because they DOMINATE THIS SITE, & never get banned!

    I, on the other hand, get “moderation” notices on about 50% of my posts!

    Maybe a KOS/Hedgehog merger might be the best solution at this point.

    KEEP FEEDING THE TROLLS– until there’s nothing BUT trolls.

  64. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hey MNW, it’s too bad you’re genius posts get STOLLEN by Dave’s filter! LOL

    Stollen, bruh, stollen!!

  65. mnw says:


    Yes! STL fans are EXCEPTIONALLY good about welcoming back their departed heroes. EXCEPTIONALLY so!

    Backes & Freese will get similar gestures, I’ll bet. That’s one reason why so many pro athletes who played in STL, stay in STL when they retire.

    “You can come back, baby! Rock ‘n’ Roll* never forgets!”

    Bob Seger

    * (neither does STL)

  66. Bitterlaw says:

    The Midwest (or whatever region St. Louis belongs in) is too “nice” for me. It is probably not as fake as the South, but pretty annoying.

    Many former Philadelphia athletes stay around here and very few of them ever won anything.

  67. Tgca says:


    The south is fake? I would say more polite and reserved in their opinions. Not nearly as plastic as NYC, Philly, and DC me thinks but that is just my experience of growing up in the northeast region and it hasn’t changed in decades. People in the burbs may be less plastic but they are also a bit more snobby as well. We won’t even discuss the west coast where PCness and plastic rules.

  68. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – In the South, they invented the term “bless his heart” just to pretend they are kind when saying “he’s a moron.”

  69. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I have researched the issue. One of the stations programmed on my car radio is a country music station. I learned all I need to know about about the South from Marin Morris, Kelsea Ballerini, and Carey Underwood.

  70. Wes says:

    Having read the past few posts, I can tell the only difference between Bitterlaw and James Eastland aside from profession is the target of their bigotry.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    I find that Wes is pro-choice because he has impregnated women who had abortions.

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    I hate the history, weather, and accents of the South. Perfectly legitimate reasons to dislike it.

    Wes can suck it.

  73. Bitterlaw says:

    If somebody said they do not like New York City or Philadelphia because they are crowded, people are rude, or any other reason, Delicate Flower would find that acceptable. Not loving the South is unacceptable.

    Got it.

  74. mnw says:

    Q-pac: “Support for Gov. DeSantis surges”

    Not bad for a guy who won by exactly 3 votes out of 44 million cast. (joke– but it WAS incredibly close)

    Outlawing sanctuary cities has proven to be a big winner, apparently.

    His JA is 55%, per Q-pac, & that’s RVs, too, not LVs. Fav/Unfav is 55/29, I think, going from memory.

  75. jason says:

    , on the other hand, get “moderation” notices on about 50% of my posts!”

    You are a moron if you think Dave is “monitoring” your posts.

    There are a bunch of words that trigger that message, and the reason it never gets reviewed is because Dave does not go back and look at them.

    It is harder when you post a third party quote, almost impossible to determine what word triggered the message.

    When it happens to me I am usually about 90% successful in identifying the offending word. Some are hard to figure out, like in the past cas-ino was not allowed.

    And of course, banning trolls is a slippery slope. Pretty soon Dave would have to ban himself for posting polls that don’t show Trump ahead.

  76. jason says:

    person instead of allowing her to starve to death”


    Most moronic oversimplification and dishonest narrative of the year.

    I know, we are still in June.

    “Basically Mikey the Liar created a nonexistent set of circumstances to justify his advocacy of judicial activism to keep a brain dead woman forced to stay alive in a state no human being would want to experience.”

    wes summed it up pretty well, that NYC is always willing to sell out any long term purported principle he defends over a period of years in exchange for some short term situation. His principles are, hmmmm, constantly “evolving”.

  77. Wes says:

    Bigots will latch onto any slightest excuse to justify their bigotry.

    Say hello, Bitterlaw!

  78. jason says:

    Remember when Amoral Scumbag was hoping DeSantis would lose because he was “too close to Trump”?

    I won’t say his principles are more “evolving” than NYC’s because he actually never had any.

  79. jason says:

    Not taking sides on the North-South fake dispute.

    I loved living in Texas, very nice people, accent didn’t bother me. The weather sucked most of the time.

    PA is ok, people are not as nice as in Texas, I can live with the Amish accent, weather sucks most of the year.

    Restaurants are much better in Texas, I have yet to find a good Cajun restaurant in PA. Scrapple is better in PA.

    Frankly, I see more pickups driving around this area with confederate flags on them than I saw in Texas, maybe because there I lived in a more urban area.

  80. mnw says:

    I’ve seen exactly ONE rebel flag on a vehicle in the last 4 years, & I drive back & forth between STL & the Ozarks a lot, too.

    “Coexist” is probably #1. (Not counting sports decals)

  81. jason says:

    There are some dudes that drive around here with huge confederate flags billowing from the back of their trucks. Hard to fathom. Granted, only about 25 miles from the Mason-Dixon line, but still…

  82. Wes says:

    I can count on one hand the number of Confederate flags I’ve seen on vehicles over the past five years.

    Ironically I did see a black man last year wearing a shirt with a Confederate flag on it saying “Heritage, not hate.” I’m white, and I’d never dream of wearing a rebel flag. Naturally I thought the man’s decision was interesting.

    In any event, despite the stereotype Bitter likely buys into, most Southerners I know aren’t too worried about the events of 154 years ago. They’re more concerned with how current events are affecting their lives. I can think of ONE who has an obsession with the Confederacy. He’s also a Paulbot, so take that as you will.

    My point is that people here in the South are worried about now. Meanwhile Bitterlaw is obsessed with events of a century and a half ago.

    Oddly enough Bitter’s pretend outrage over slavery doesn’t cause him to disavow either PA or NJ despite the history of slavery in each state and the fact that the senior Senator from New Jersey is rapist of underage sex slaves. Owning slaves 154 years ago in the South? Abomination! Raping underage sex slaves today while representing a Northern state in the Senate? Eh. Who cares? That’s an interesting thought process Bitter has.

  83. Phil says:


    Just saw Trump’s remarks to the press as he was leaving for Camp David. Said Iran could really help their economy and prosper by playing nice with the US. Said they have tremendous economic potential and should take advantage of the opportunity…said “lets call it Make Iran Great Again” LMAO

    This guy never passes up an opportunity to poke and needle. Love it.

  84. Phil says:

    I can vouch for Jason’s comment about Texas weather. Summer here sucks.

  85. mnw says:


    Iran was prosperous, & getting prosperouser, under the Shah.

    Looks like the mullahs have decided that Venezuela would be a great role model for economic development.

  86. Tgca says:


    Folks can easily say they hate the history, accents, and weather in the northeast as well. Metro NY area was very racist and carved out ghettos for decades causing some of the most blighted cities and horrific crimes and unsafe areas, and the middle and upper middle class towns did everything to keep minorities out up to the late 80s at least. Chances are if you grew up in Jersey, PA, or NY and your family was here for generations, your immediate ancestors were part of that bigoted mentality.

    As to accents, as TV often shows (think Sopranos, Jersey Shore, Housewives, Friends, Seinfeld, etc) the northeast folks often come across as very ignorant and stoopid, not to mention self-centered, inflexible, selfish, vindictive and petty.

    Except for maybe 4 months out of the year (May, Sep, Oct, and Nov), northeast weather is not very pleasant either and the air quality and smell of the cities are atrocious. There are many better places in the south, southwest, and west to live compared to northeast weather.

    Now the northeast has many positives as well, but I don’t find it better than the south or elsewhere. It’s a wonder folks with means are leaving the northeast in droves for the southern states.

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    I said I wanted Menendez convicted. I said I wanted him to lose. I have not lived in New Jersey since 1994. How am I supposed to disavow him?

  88. Wes says:

    Things Bitterlaw hates: history, accents, and weather.

    Things Bitterlaw has no problem with: corruption and sex slave rape.

    I can see why he feels superior to the South.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes has no problem with his children being aborted.

  90. Wes says:

    I have as many living kids as you, Bitter. I don’t really see how I’m some huge abortion advocate.

  91. mnw says:

    What do you folks remember about a former poster here who posted as “Howard Dean”?

    I was at another blog, & he asked me if I still posted at HHR.

    All I can remember about him is his screen name.

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    Nice dodge, Wes. I did not ask about the born alive children,

    When we are done fighting, I have a question about carpal tunnel syndrome. Maybe you deal with it in your field.

  93. Wes says:

    Ah, yes. Howard Dean. We are talking Messy the Moron level stupid with that one. Some of Howard Dean’s greatest hits:

    1) In 2008, Obama couldn’t hope to top 39% of the vote.

    2) In 2010 and 2012, the best way to to win the Senate was not to contest seats in Dem-friendly states.

    3) In 2012, Obama was a lock to lose to Romney.

    4) In 2012 here in NC, Romney would landslide over Obama. (This last prediction led to a bet that cost him $1000. St. Jude’s loves him, I’m sure.)

    He was an idiot among idiots. For reasons unrelated to politics I was gone from HHR for most of 2012 and 2013. When I returned HD was no longer here to regale with his stupidity. I haven’t missed him and even nominated him for Scooterboy’s Dumbchit of the Year award twice in a row.

  94. Wes says:

    The 460,000 people you twice voted to let terrorists slaughter in Iraq cannot say the same about your role in their deaths.

    Now what do you need to know about carpal tunnel?

  95. mnw says:

    102 Thx, Wes.

    As I said, all I could remember about him was his screen name.

  96. mnw says:

    My take on the Iraq War:

    The only one I blame for it is Saddam Hussein. Saddam used lethal chemical weapons against the Kurds. No-one disputes that. Saddam knew whether or not he had WMD. All he had to do was cooperate with the UN inspection regime. He didn’t.

    Given his history of using chemical warfare against civilians, the burden of proof was on HIM. Given the information available to W at the time, I can’t criticize his decision to invade.

    Next to Saddam, I blame Bush 41. The easiest thing in the world would’ve been to let the tank columns continue on to Baghdad. A no-brainer. Everyone expected him to do so.

    I also blame Zero for pulling the small residual U.S. force out of Iraq prematurely. Hello, ISIS!

    P.S. Sign of the apocalypse:

    I’m sitting in STL a week before the Fourth of July, and I’m wearing… a sweater! I almost turned the heat on this morning.

  97. Bitterlaw says:

    If your Gore fantasy come true, 9/11 would still have happened. Many more attacks would have occurred . Gore would have convened a think tank to do nothing.

    2 weeks ago, I noticed a pain in my right shoulder blade/scapular region. I did not pull anything or injure it. It hurts more when driving and laying down in bed. Icy/hot lidocaine patches helped s little. Now, my right hand just is not as strong (. grip strength). But there is no pain, numbness or tingling in the right hand or wrist. CTS is common in diabetics but the symptoms started at the wrong end.

  98. Tgca says:

    101, 106. Bitter

    Why you asking Wes about CTS? He don’t know chit! I’ve had 2 CTS operations. I can tell ya all ya need to know but it’s gonna cost you.

    With 7 surgeries under my belt and an 8th one in the near future, I can tell you all ya need to know about joint and nerve disease.

    Shoulder pain? Been there and done that for decades. Had the max cortisone shots one can do to relieve pain in them before doing shoulder surgery to repair a badly torn rotator cuff and remove bone spurs that made it difficult to move arms, kept me from sleeping regularly, and caused throbbing pain from elbow all the way up through neck to the jaw. Think of having a tooth ache in your neck. THROB! THROB! THROB!

    Elbows? Been there too. Had bilateral epicondilitis for the elbows to repair them and cut away bone spurs as well which caused all kinds of lower arm and hand weakness to the extent you can’t grip anything, open a door, hold a glass of water, remove the top off the toothpaste, or even zip up your pants without pain and effort. Ever try picking up 2lb cabbage with damaged elbows? Mind as well be picking up a truck I tell ya!

    I’ve had the displeasure of spending much time with specialists in the fields of ortho and rheumatology, and every type of physical therapist, massage therapist, accupuncturists, chiropractor there is and have been poked, prodded, cut, stabbed, electrocuted, heated, rubbed, and had my body man-handled into positions you could not imagine. I’ve had X-rays, MRIs, CT scans and got all the pics to show for it too if you want to get together and get to know me inside and out.

    So if you wanna know about joint and nerve disease, go to a real professional. Someone who has had hundreds of thousands of dollars in surgery that has driven up the cost of healthcare insurance for others. I’m your man! Don’t be dealing with Wes. Like I said, he don’t know chit!

  99. Wes says:

    I’m not qualified to diagnose, but that sounds more like a pinched nerve than CTS. I’d get your GP to look at it.

    As for your sanguinary jingoistic fantasy in Iraq, there was exactly no evidence Saddam had WMDs post 1991 or was capable of a belligerent act directed at any country—especially one on another continent thousands of miles away.

    GWB used the tragedy of 9/11 to justify his unnecessary war and promptly let ISIS slaughter hundreds of thousands. His popularity collapsed. Republicans dropped to post-Watergate levels in Congress. Obama became President and acted as dictator for two years.

    Great job, Bitter! I hope those hundreds of thousands of lives were worth an Obama presidency.

  100. Wes says:

    By the way, Bill Clinton also used Saddam as a scapegoat for political purposes in 1998. I guess you must be a Clinton fanboy now.

  101. Bitterlaw says:

    You are the one who worships Clinton. If he had taken out or seized bin Laden when he had the chance instead of abusing women and jizzing on interns, we would not have these discussions.

  102. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes never explains how GWB got Israel, France, the UK, Germany and the UN to all state Saddam had WMDs.

  103. Wes says:

    Bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq, Baghdad Bitter. At least Clinton didn’t trigger the violent deaths of 460,000 people when claiming not to have nailed Lewinski.

    You just couldn’t live without having an incompetent, English-mangling drunk driver in the White House though. Well, you got your wish. Because of that, 460,000 died violently, and Obama became President.

    Great job!

  104. Wes says:

    Had Saddam not been a local bete noire to the interests of each country in the Mideast, Bitter?

    It’s pretty easy to pile on when you already have a problem with someone, isn’t it?

    Bitter never explains how Saddam’s mythological WMDs managed to magically disappear under the watchful eyes of our spies and satellites.

  105. Bitterlaw says:

    Safdam knew how to make and use WMDs. I will trust Mossad’s Assessment over Wes and Daily Kos.

  106. Wes says:

    I will trust the fact that Saddam had no WMDs over biased failure any day.

  107. Tgca says:

    Had Clinton done his job, 3,000 Americans would still be alive and the Twin Towers would still be a fav NYC tourist destination. The 9/11 plot was in full swing and planning before GWB took office. Clinton lacked the courage and conviction to go after Bin Laden and turned down when he was offered him up on a platter.

  108. Wes says:

    3,000 is still less than the 460,000 who died because Bush lies and failed to do his job for years, Tg.

  109. Wes says:

    It’s amazing how the hypocritical Bushbots get worked up over 3,000 deaths but have no problem with 460,000 deaths triggered by a drunk-driving Moron.

  110. Tgca says:

    …and 460,000 (…and some very bad characters too) is less than the 600,000+ abortions annually from irresponsible and uncaring people who have no respect for life. Your point?

  111. Tgca says:


    “…worked up over 3,000 deaths.” Okay Ilhan “Wes” Omar. Some people did something I guess. That’s it!

    So Wes thinks it’s no big deal that ONLY 3,000 innocent Americans died on 9/11. Let’s not get worked up over this, riiiiight?

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The invasion of Iraq by President GWB was one of the worst foreign policy blunders in U.S. history; add to that his disastrous economic policies that resulted in the U.S. economy cratering in 2008, and he should go down as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history.

    As far as weapons of mass destruction; the fact none were found in Iraq confirms the suspicion of many that they were the excuse that Bush used to invade. Making it worse; Bush did not have any effective plans for how the U.S. was going to administer Iraq once we took it over.


    “The real controversy now is the difference between the administration’s dire rhetoric and dire warnings about Iraq’s WMD capability and its alleged possession of such weapons, and what we know so far, which is that there is no physical evidence of actual chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons, Kimball says. ?My personal view is that there were those in the administration who wanted to have this war no matter what. They recognized that the charge of Iraqi non-compliance with the U.N. resolutions barring weapons of mass destruction was the strongest possible charge against Iraq and the strongest possible justification for war.? Kimball says, What is disturbing is that high-ranking administration officials certainly knew that claims about Iraq’s weapons arsenal were based on sketchy evidence.”

    Such a long war could not be fought successfully with public opinion so divided at home. Even in retrospect, it was astonishing how little the British and Americans felt it necessary to know about the country they were going to invade and occupy.

  113. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Believe there was almost total support for invading Afghanistan to wipe out the Taliban and Ben Laden. My feeling is that should have remained the focus of U.S. policy. We should have continued to focus on the Taliban in the areas they were still holding in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan. Now the Taliban are coming back in Afghanistan, and Iraq has become what amounts to an Iranian client state.

  114. Wes says:

    Tg, take your vi brator with GWB’s face airbrushed on it and shove it up your ass hole, bitch. You’re a a know-nothing rationalizer of every idiotic decision made by that incompetent dumbass and don’t know a goddamn thing about what you’re talking about. That you had to try to dodge what I said by bringing up an extraneous issue and then pretend I was trying to downplay the deaths on 9/11 while you’re the one expressing no concern over all the deaths in Iraq says it all.

    You don’t know a motherf ucking thing about anything except how to pretend GWB was perfect. Go f uck yourself, you sanctimonious, GWB-worshiping ass hole.

  115. Wes says:

    Don’t waste your time, SDC. Tgca doesn’t give a good goddamn about the failure in Iraq because he’s just a GWB kissass. He’ll defend anything GWB does and try to blame everyone else for Bush’s failures. He has exactly no knowledge of anything political except what he has to say to defend GWB. He’s basically a punk who knows nothing while pontificating with ersatz authority on everything.

  116. Bio mom says:


    Bitterlaw, stop looking for medical advice on a blog. Consult a physician who has trained 12 plus years!,

  117. Tgca says:


    Oooooh, Someone’s having a meltdown. Uh-oh! It happens to us all sooner or later I guess.

    You know you get to someone on HHR when the gay slurs start regarding using vibrators and putting them where the sun don’t shine.

    The BDS does bring this out so I’ll excuse Ilan ‘Wes” Omar’s outburst…and Shame! You have a potty mouth! That is not a southern quality my friend, especially after I defended the South earlier today. Why is it MNW gets his posts blocked for simple word choices and yours escape through? Inquiring minds want to know.

    For the record, I did like many things about GWB. But also think he made mistakes and agree he surrounded himself with some too eager to go to war even though I believe removing Saddam was not such a bad thing considering how many he and his secret police tortured, maimed, raped, and killed on a regular basis.

  118. Tgca says:

    Yeah. I’m a no-nothing about politics but who has correctly predicted every POTUS winner in my adult life as well as numerous other politicians. …and yes, I did expect, though nervously, that Trump would win in 2016 because I saw numbers that led me to believe in Sep 2016 he made connections not discussed nationally or by the MSM. I can remove myself and my feelings and provide analysis, as it is what I do for a living. I analyze things to try and get to expected impacts and root causes.

    I don’t let BDS, TDS, PDS, or any other XDS get in the way.

  119. Wes says:

    You’re a Motherf ucking liar too, Tg. You literally said you were fine with all the deaths in Iraq because GWB had to run a PC war when in fact he was just too goddamn incompetent to do anything right. You’re a punk Bush worshipper who defends all GWB’s failures. You will defend all deaths GWB caused by his lies and failure because you’re too brainwashed to know anything different.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I am awarding points to Tgca. Being insulted with the word ersatz is worth something.

  121. Phil says:

    When the decision to go into Iraq was made Bush had the support of 60-63 percent of the American people to do so. Sadly, I was one of that majority that believed it was the right move. I swallowed the WMD excuse and because 9-11 was fresh on my mind I felt we had to take out the threat.

    I was dead wrong. It was a horrible mistake. There was no WMD threat from Sadaam toward the US.

    We need to learn from history. In this case we should have learned to not get mixed up in the MIddle East.

  122. Bitterlaw says:

    The world is better of with Saddam removed and dead. Mistakes with deadly consequences were made. Both can be true.

  123. John says:

    #131. Coudn’t agree with you more. You just nailed it.

  124. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    132. Maybe so, but the balance between the two on a scale tips completely on the side of the Iraq invasion being a complete foreign policy disaster for the U.S. One of the goals of the the 1st President Bush was to attempt to limit Iranian influence in Iraq; the invasion by the 2nd Bush has resulted in Iraq and Syria all but becoming Iranian vassal states. It also has resulted in the large Christian minority in Iraq being mostly driving out (they used to be about 5% of the population). We have also lost major ancient cultural heritage sites in Palmyra and Nineveh, as well as other places.
    I don’t see Saddam Hussein being placed in a body bag as a sufficient counter for these losses.

  125. Chicon says:

    Excellent meltdown by Wes. Very unbecoming of someone who likes to paint himself as a political scientist above the fray, but an entertaining 4th grade display nonetheless.

  126. Bitterlaw says:

    No deportations? Talking to Democrats? Uh oh. Is Trump an open borders Jebot now?

  127. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    136. Maybe he has been reading the Biden Report and the poll numbers caught his attention.

  128. Tgca says:

    Just because someone likes to paint themselves as an authority does not mean they actually are an authority on a subject. Whether you have BDS or TDS, it’s the same illness. Intelligent, reasonable folks can formulate arguments without going off the deep end. Getting annoyed or showing some anger is okay in my book but complete routine meltdowns regarding a view that is different than yours suggests someone needs a bit of therapy, especially when they have to resort to profane tirades laced with homophobic slurs as if they think that bullying tactic works when it actually illicits laughter and mockery instead. It just shows the weakness in their arguments and their inability to cope with the stress of not being able to convince others of their point. Hence, it’s maturity!

    Anyways, we all have our bad days so no reason to fret over this but BDS and TDS is real people.

  129. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    If you have 7 minutes, this CNN focus group video of 6 registered Democrats,4 of whom voted for Trump in 2016, is worth viewing.

    1- The AA on the bottom right almost certainly views FOX News and is the most informed and analytical of the group.

    2- The two Caucasian men have had their FEELINGS hurt by The Donald—–Charlottsville!

    3- The AA woman in the top row sees racism everywhere and is a walking cliche. She gets seriously bitch slapped by the AA below her.

    4- The woman in the middle of the bottom row,who did not vote in 2016 for Trump, should be a newly-minted 2020 Trump voter. She digs Trump’s immigration policy.

    My take from this is that Trump stands a good chance to be reelected and some percentage of AA’s hear him and agree with his message. Trump should do better with AA’s in 2020 than most pundits predict.

  130. Tgca says:

    So Trump is very public about the ICE delays. Pelosi all but thanks him for the delay publicly as well. I think this is posturing on both sides to get a working deal. I also think Trump wants to put a little scare into some about their illegal status. The Dems say this is wrong and it’s terror tactics that should not be used. I say so what.

    Those that purposely break the law should be concerned with their law breaking and being arrested and having their life uprooted.

    When the IRS goes after those who violate tax laws, we don’t say the IRS are terrorists.

    When the police go after folks for not paying tickets, we don’t say the police are terrorists.

    When a father does not pay child support, and a court orders his incarceration, we don’t say the judge is terrorist.

    There are numerous examples where everyday US citizens are arrested and uprooted from their communities for breaking the law without committing violence but that appears to be ok with Dems while illegal immigrants commit similar non-violent crimes but are expected to be given special treatment.

    Is the Dems motto to arrest and convict US citizens for non-violent crimes but leave illegal immigrants alone? Since when does an illegal immigrant get more preferential treatment than a US citizen?

    It’s a crazy world indeed.

  131. Tgca says:

    …oh, I almost forgot…


  132. Tgca says:

    …and let’s not jump to war so soon with Iran. Punish the leaders with more sanctions before bombing their @sses away. Help the Iranian people take their country back.

    Make Iran Great Again!


  133. Chicon says:

    138 – recently he was accused of becoming MD. He scoffed. Dismissively. Then acted yesterday like end-stage MD.

  134. Tina says:

    Yes, saddam caused 911.

    Yes We are better off with Sudan gone.

    Maybe, the Biden report should stick to “polls” of Biden “winning.”

  135. Tgca says:

    145 Chicon

    I would hope that Wes would never become like MD. I actually like Wes and agree with him on many things, and I enjoy the occasional banter with him. We may have some significant differences on just a few items (abortion, GWB, Trump’s personality) but other than these, I think we would get along fine. I don’t agree with his view that if you don’t agree with him on GWB, then you’re an unknowledgeable no-nothing GWB sycophant. To me, that’s just his BDS speaking. Like I said, there are many things I liked about GWB but there are things I did not like as well, most significantly was his inability to fight back on the MSM or Dems using the bully pulpit of the presidency when appropriate. I also thought the latter part of managing the Iraq after war activities could have been done much better.

  136. Bitterlaw says:

    Nobody said Saddam caused 9/11. Tina is justtraumatized by Trump calling off the ICE raids and planning on talking to Democrats.

  137. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Add another name to the Democrat presidential primary field.

    Joe Sestak, a former congressman from Pennsylvania who lost Senate bids in 2010 and 2016, is now running for president.

    I am serious. He’s in Iowa today.(H/T:RRH & Dave Wiegel)

  138. Tgca says:

    Ciento y cincuenta pootahs!

  139. jason says:

    England 3 Cameroon 0 60 minutes into match

  140. jason says:

    Maybe Sestak can de-mothball his aircraft carrier ad.

  141. DW says:

    Maybe Sestak can over-achieve and siphon off half of someone else’s 0.1% of the vote.

  142. DW says:

    I am so sick of Mets’ manager Callaway. They canned the pitching coaches, and they should have canned him too. They are in the final game of a four game set at the Cubs. Dropped the first game, won the last two…so Callaway figured he is playing with house money and just decides to cede today’s game to the Cubs by gutting the lineup to give players rest. These are athletes playing a kids game. They got all winter to rest if they need it.

  143. DW says:

    Alonso. 454 feet.

  144. DW says:

    That was the 27th for Alonso, meaning he trails only Yelich (29) for the Major League lead in homers.

  145. mnw says:

    Trump SAYS many ill-considered, intemperate things, but in terms of what he actually DOES, he is cautious & careful, imo.

  146. Bitterlaw says:

    MD sees martial law if the EV is tired.

  147. Bitterlaw says:

    Electoral College vote tied

  148. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    158. “This country would come apart. Trump might declare Martial Law.”

    They would just fly a drone over Trump’s head and he would back down.

  149. Chicon says:

    MD is probably a 9/11 truther at this point. He and Flyboy have two of the worst cases of TDS in existence.

  150. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Flavor of the Month, Mayor Pete, has HUGE problems with AA’s in his home town. He tries to get cover from Al Sharpton. Is he a goner?

  151. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is despicable. Even Messy should be appalled by Bowling Green’s decision. Lillian Gish was a talented and classy lady.
    I trust that the University’s fundraising from its alumni will quickly dry up.
    What’s happening at Ohio’s universities–Oberlin and now Bowling Green?!

  152. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    163. “What’s happening at Ohio’s universities–Oberlin and now Bowling Green?!”

    Often private colleges these days are nothing more than diploma mills. They need a steady stream of students to enroll to continue to fund their high employee salaries and administrative costs. A large percentage of these students end up with huge student loans and practically worthless degrees. Of course they are going to coddle these students, and pander to every demand, to assure they have a “safe space” from the realities of the real world. Its all about the money flow.

  153. Bitterlaw says:

    What Bowling Green did was wrong. The students who demanded that it be done were wrong. However, I think it is also wrong to make blanket assertions about college students being indoctrinated snowflakes. Some are but many are not. I may be the only one here who has s student in college right now. I also have nieces and nephews in college. I also have former players in college. None of them is an indoctrinated snowflake and they would not have asked for Gish’s name to be removed.

    I wish Mr. Vito was here. He is a college professor and he could provide insight.

  154. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    They really have the perfect slavery
    training school with the university system.
    1) Make you feel you feel you NEED
    the degree
    2) Borrow, unforgivable, undischargeable,
    Government backed debt for it
    3) Get a degree your invested 4 years
    of your life in
    4) Work most of your life paying it off

  155. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “However, I think it is also wrong to make blanket assertions about college students being indoctrinated snowflakes.”

    Not aware of anyone making that assertion.

    I believe within the next 10 years your going to see many millennials adopt the politics that was seen among young people in the 1980’s Reagan years; they will become conservative and attack the existing leftist culture. There are signs it is beginning to happen now.

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “College Removes Scales from Gym to Avoid ‘Triggering’ Overweight Students” (2017)

    Carleton University faces severe criticism for its latest politically correct decision to remove weight scales from its gym and workout areas to prevent the “triggering” of overweight students.
    The Ottawa, Ontario, university calls the decision “in keeping with current fitness and social trends,” Fox News reported.
    The school’s manager of health and wellness, Bruce Marshall, claims that the move helps improve the mental well-being and health of the school’s students.
    Indeed, Marshall went on to insist that scales only remind people they are fat and can have a “negative impact” on health.”

  157. Tgca says:

    College campuses are being over run by a certain level of minority students and white students with guilt who believe they can speak for the majority and dictate the college agenda. I blame the parents of all students because they are not stepping up to shut down these smaller groups of troublemakers who want to change the course of history to meet their radical left agenda. These losers have a big surprise when they get into the real world and find this does not work in business and they get fired for refusing to take constructive criticism or being troublemakers.

    I’ve heard some college parents complain about these students but not one of these patents I know has taken the initiative to contact the school or pull their kids from there. If you’re a parent with a child in college and this goes on in your child’s college, you have a responsibility to do something about it just as many parents do when ridiculous events occur in K-12 schools. You have no right to complain if you don’t act. Schools live and die by enrollment so if it goes down and they get unwanted attention for it, that will change their behavior because no small group of troublemakers are worth it.

    College professors are useless in this effort because they are a slave to the system and the vast majority are liberals as well, though they may not buy into every leftist cause, they fear being singled-out so it’s up to the parents to make a difference.

  158. Bitterlaw says:

    Radical students get headlines. Normal students do not. A story that said “98% of students did not protest or sign a petition” will never be published.

  159. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Agree with your point, Bitter. Sadly too many college administrators feel they need to pander to the small group of loudmouths.

  160. Tgca says:


    My point. If 2% of the students are causing havoc on campuses, I guarantee you if administrator heard from the parents of even 5% of the non-protestors, the outcomes would be different and the 2% would not be dictating college policy. Schools will react to the parents threatening to move their kids elsewhere because it’s bad for their funding if they lose students.

    If tomorrow a university takes a position that is anti-Israel because some radical snowflakes want to punish Israel for the Palestinian conflict then if parents refuse to intervene, the parents are consenting in the radicalism because of their refusal to act when they can make the difference.

  161. Bitterlaw says:

    I disagree. Parents are not required to counter the actions of other students. Your “consent theory” seems a bit “Wes-like.”

  162. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, a June 2nd Huffington Post article indicated that Anglo millennial tend to be conservative:

    “Turns Out White Millennials Are Just As Conservative As Their Parents
    Democrats hoping for younger voters to reduce the country’s political and racial divide could be disappointed.
    “When you look at the millennial generation as a whole, they seem more liberal,” said Candis Watts Smith, a political scientist and co-author of the book “Racial Stasis: The Millennial Generation and the Stagnation of Racial Attitudes in American Politics.” “When you disaggregate by race, however, you see big differences.”
    Donald Trump won white voters between 18 and 29 in the 2016 election by a margin of 5 percentage points. While that age group includes both millennials and the oldest members of Gen Z, it is hardly an anomaly. Barack Obama is the only Democratic candidate to win young white voters in the last 15 years — and even then, 58 percent of white millennials said they disapproved of his job performance by the time he left office.”

  163. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Huffington Post article also pointed out what has widely documented; U.s. born Hispanics often identify as white.

    “Republicans could also find themselves with a larger base of white Americans than the dry demographic statistics suggest. Schildkraut pointed out that more than half the Hispanic population also identifies as white. U.S.-born, English-speaking Latinos were more favorable to Trump than Latinos who were born abroad and primarily speak Spanish. As it has so many times before, the Whiteness Club may simply enroll new members as politicians continue to cast African Americans and immigrants as an existential threat to the country’s future.”

    The article claimed millennial Hispanics voted 70% Democratic; versus 24% Republican. But as Hispanics income rises, I see them voting more Republican – as Cubans and Many South Americans do now.

  164. Tgca says:


    Then you have no right to complain if you do not participate in society. If all colleges decide tomorrow that Israel is a terrorist country because a small minority of students dictate it, then you are welcome to send your kids to a school that treats them as terrorist sympathizers, and you have no right to complain as you pay for the tuition but do not want to be involved in the community.

    If more people got involved, then this behavior would significantly decrease.

  165. Tgca says:

    175. SDC

    Hispanics are generally Caucasian by race except for those that are of AA or indigenous people heritage. I am 50% Puerto Rican but my race is Caucasian.

  166. Bitterlaw says:

    Save the lectures. You do not have children. I vote for politicians who support Israel but I am like a member of Hamas if I don’t call a Dean?

  167. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    177. Same with my partner who is Brazilian, but has mostly Portuguese and German ancestry.

  168. Tgca says:

    Stop lecturing? That’s rich coming from someone who does it regularly to others here.

    Having children does not make you an authority on right and wrong in colleges, as much of the problems associated with today’s kids has some association with parenting skills. So save your complaints for when you participate. No one said you belong to Hamas so don’t be over dramatic either.

  169. Tgca says:

    179. SDC

    Your partner should be ashamed of his privileged white colonizing heritage. He needs to make amends and support reparations. He is embarrassing the gay community. Mayor Butt would not approve.

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not lecture anybody. I try to make everybody a better person through my brilliant insight.


  171. Tgca says:


    Clearly we can agree we both make efforts to enlighten others with our brilliant insight.

    GFY too..and I say that with much love.

  172. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am sure many are familiar with the story of the Lauren McCluskey murder. She was a University of Utah student who left over 22 messages with the University of Utah Police that her boyfriend was stalking and threatening her. He subsequently killed her. It was on Dateline.

    This was the University of Utah Police Chief’s recent comment on the case:

    When asked about recommendations after Lauren’s murder, @uutah Chief Brophy, said, “There’s never a perfect day in law enforcement. Never a perfect day in golf either. You can always do better.”

    Replying to @jjmccluskey @UUtah
    I wonder if Chief Brophy would have said that if it was his daughter his department didn’t protect?

    Derik Stevenson? @derikstevenson: Fire this a–hole now @UUtah

  173. mnw says:

    Bowling Green, et al:

    Erasing America.

  174. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    181. “Your partner should be ashamed of his privileged white colonizing heritage.”

    He has some freed slaves in his lineage too. A large percentage of Brazilians have a mix of ancestry (often the term “Pardo” is used). In Brazil’s colonial past it was common for slaves to marry into colonial families; so a large amount of African & Native American ancestry exists throughout the population.

  175. lisab says:

    if the snowflakes knew the actual lives of the great grandparents

    they would not be so snowflaky

  176. Tgca says:


  177. mnw says:

    48/46 & -4.

    2 points better than Zero.

  178. mnw says:

    correction: 48/50 & -4.

    2 points better than Zero.

  179. NYCmike says:

    Just sayin’:

    I called MD out when he was heading over the top, and now Wes is heading there…….and I wasn’t even born on March 15.

    Neither one of them could make it in NYC. Too fragile.

  180. NYCmike says:


    Could you do a show-and-tell for what you advised Tgca to do?

    I am interested to see if it is good for him physically, and mentally.

  181. NYCmike says:

    Or, would it be good in a SPIRITUAL sense?

  182. jason says:

    USA 1 Spain 0

    Women’s World Cup round of 16

    7 minutes into first half

    make it USA Spain 1

    horrible mistake

  183. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is scum. I approve of the sanctions on Iran. Both can be true.

  184. mnw says:

    I have friends from work who have cheated on their wives & husbands, & one or two former male colleagues who barely survived sexual harassment complaints.

    Their ways are not my ways (although I make no claim whatsoever to being a moral exemplar), but I do NOT consider them scum! I DON’T LIKE Mitt Romney & his holiness act.

    I reserve the word “scum” for those who murder & rape, etc.

  185. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw has to recite that once a day so that he can remain a coach in good standing, otherwise all of the suburban wives who h*te Trump would crucify him.

  186. NYCmike says:


  187. NYCmike says:

    CC (sabathia)

  188. mnw says:

    I would describe Trump’s prior sexual misadventures as “boorish & vulgar.”

  189. Tgca says:

    I will defend Wes since this is the only time I ever saw him get really really really mad, though I’ve seen him get annoyed before, as many of us have. We are all permitted one crazy outburst if we’ve posted here for years. Him and I still agree on much more than we disagree so I’m good with Wes.

    I’ll give him a big hug next time I see him.

    …as for MD, no one compares here. Uncontrollable angry, hateful, bitter, dramatic lunatic is all I can say.

  190. NYCmike says:

    “I’ll give him a big hug next time I see him.”

    -Will you have your vibrator with you?


  191. Tgca says:

    201. Agreed. This is not unusual behavior of many men of a certain generation, upbringing, and accomplishment. I saw a good deal of this growing up especially by men in the labor and small business world, and it’s also rampant in the entertainment and political world. Not saying it’s right, but many men were also taught this behavior at a young age just as street hoodlums were taught similar behavior where there was little respect for women.

    The sad part is that parents, including mothers often shielded their boys from criticism from such behavior. How many times have we heard mothers blame bad behavior of their boys on the girl, questioning the girl’s decency and morals or the way they dressed?

    Even women of means defend behavior of the male peers in the past. Remember when Bette Midler claimed on Larry King that Clinton’s escapades were no big deal because everyone lies about sex? Or more recently, when Barbra Streisand defended Michael Jackson’s behavior on “his sexual needs are his needs” and the accusing boys “grew up and got married so no one died because if it?”

    So in my view, this behavior has been more about upbringing and society accepting such behavior in the past.

  192. Tgca says:

    203. NYC

    I don’t have a vibrator in the traditional sense but I do have a few vibrating electrical gadgets I use to stimulate muscle and nerves as part of treatment for my joint and nerve disease. I have them in various sizes and speeds too.

    Now you are all free to comment until your lil ole hearts are content. 🙂

  193. NYCmike says:

    The ol’ “back massager” wink-wink!

  194. lisab says:

    This is not unusual behavior of many men of a certain generation, upbringing, and accomplishment.

    john mccain for example, famously so

  195. lisab says:

    looks like tgca and i will be getting money under elizabeth warren’s lgbt reparations act

  196. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Watching Warren and Sanders try to outbid each other in the amount of free money they want to give out is a sight to behold. Hope both of them avoid going to casinos, as they would lose everything they won. Maybe they should join gamblers anonymous.

  197. lisab says:

    as a bi woman i have been oppressed

    i want money!

  198. Tgca says:


    Yes, Mac was a partying politician but he was hardly alone. Many of his peers on both sides of the aisle also behaved in ways that would get them scorn today. But in no way does such behavior take away from their accomplishments, as there Is a difference between forced raped and other vulgar behaviors they are accused of no matter how wrong they are viewed today. Even MLK was known to be frisky with the women…and one man I truly admired for his civil rights work long before those that came along in the 50s was Thurgood Marshall. I’m not aware of any stories of him cheating but he was known for being overly flirtatious with women in what might be described as sexist or inappropriate behavior today.

    When you think about it, approx 50% of POTUSes have had affairs or b*stard children. Men of means and power in every career setting have also behaved similarly, including men of color.

    These were different times and folks were raised differently so by the time we finish re-writing history on all, nearly every building, street, and city in the US would require renaming.

  199. Tgca says:

    210 LisaB

    Agreed! I want my LGBT reparations! Can we sing this to “I want my MTV?”

    I can use the money for more electrical stimulation devices crucial to reducing afflictions from my joint and nerve disease.

  200. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    After 22 years at FOX News, “Campaign Carl” Cameron comes out of the political closet as a Liberal, knocks FOX News and joins a new network owned by a radical Climate Change individual.Is anyone surprised?

  201. NYCmike says:

    I am buy-sexual as well……I have spent plenty of money trying to get a girlfriend!*

    *low hanging fruit for you all…..

  202. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – My opinion of Trump has nothing to do with coaching. The parents don’t read this site.

  203. Tina says:

    So, the drats are bring back muh mental as well as the return of the porn lawyah and the beach people with the latest trump assaulted me “claim.”

  204. Tina says:

    Lisab is bi? I thought Lisab likes only Weiners cut?

  205. Tina says:

    Drats platform illegals have more rights than legal s (for the jebots).

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    Dem Platform so far;

    1. Free College
    2. Reparations For Slavery
    3. Reparations for Same-Sex Couples
    4. Free Medical Care
    5. Wipe All Student Debt
    6. Repeal All Tax Cuts

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    Democratic Party Platform so far Pt.2

    7. Abortion on demand right up to/past birth.
    8. No border wall
    9. Same rights for illegals as legal citizens
    10. Trillion dollar Green New Deal
    11. Abolish Electoral College

  206. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    218. Don’t forget allowing adolescents to vote beginning at age 15 or 16.

  207. Ron N says:

    Don’t forget being paid not to work!!! I want some of that!!!

  208. lisab says:


    with the way things are going, i needed to become a minority

    bi was the easiest …

    you get reparations, but they cannot prove you are not bi

    if i was a lesbian, and they caught me living with my hubby, i would be in trouble

    but now i am just between gfs

  209. VictrC says:

    Ummmm….whattttt? And this is the woman we are supposed to believe when they say Trump attacked her.

    Come now…is this the best the left has?

  210. NYCmike says:

    -Either Mexico is trying to keep up their end of the bargain instead of having tariffs levied against their goods…….OR…..they are preparing to re-claim Texas as their own!

  211. Tina says:

    Even the jebtots must admit that she is a loon, She really needs help. She appears under the influence of alcohol and prescription meds.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    OR Mexico wants to pretend it is holding up its end of the bargain.

  213. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “She appears under the influence of alcohol and prescription meds.”

    Not so sure, she doesn’t need mind altering drugs. Her mind appears already altered naturally. However, that does not take away from the power of her testimony — Trump is doomed!

    Isn’t it time Diane Feinstein demand she testify before the Senate; and that California restore Avenatti’s law license so he can represent her. Maybe Mueller will re-open his investigation for another two years.

  214. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    224. This is totally nuts. CNN believes the zany person has credibility.

    “Why is this not front page news everywhere? What does that fatigue say about us?” – @ChrisCuomo on magazine advice columnist E. Jean Carroll’s allegation that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in a dressing room in the ’90s

  215. Tina says:

    I find her credible.


  216. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here the You Tube video of the interview It is interesting to watch Anderson Cooper squirm as the interview became increasingly bizarre.

  217. NYCmike says:

    -Please tell me if I am wrong:

    “Gorsuch’s opinion stated that Congress should have explicitly included criminal convictions such as robbery in the statute if it was meant to be applied to them.”

    I have to side with Gorsuch in this case over Roberts, IF that is true.

    And I would think he was correct, because aren’t there levels of robbery, murder, etc? the legislature should write it into the law. Why can’t they take the same law they have now, and just add the crimes that would be included under this law?

    Is it that difficult to do what Gorsuch has said?

  218. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    E. Jean Carroll is apparently publishing a book, which she is publicizing at the same time she is accusing Trump of rape:

    “On Friday, E. Jean Carroll, the journalist and advice columnist, published a new piece of writing: an excerpt from her forthcoming book, What Do We Need Men For? Posted on The Cut, the essay is a meditation on the sexual abuses that have accumulated, like plaque in the artery, over the course of her life; it contains allegations that several culturally prominent men have assaulted her. One of those men is the current president of the United States. In the mid-1990s, Carroll writes, she had a chance encounter with Donald Trump, then known primarily as a real-estate developer, at Bergdorf Goodman; he asked her to help him pick out a gift for, he told her, another woman. The encounter began as a friendly one between two New York City celebrities; it ended, Carroll writes, with Trump cornering her in a dressing room and raping her.”

    And CNN and the liberal press want to treat this as real news?