Roy Moore In Third Place Among GOP in AL

Let’s hope Republicans will not be as careless this time around in Alabama and nominate Roy Moore to be their standard bearer again next year. If a new poll from Cygnal, it looks like they may have learned something.

Tommy Tuberville 29%
Bradley Byrne 21%
Roy Moore 13%
John Merrill 12%
Arnold Mooney 2%

This poll was done June 22-23 among 612 likely primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:56 am
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570 Responses to “Roy Moore In Third Place Among GOP in AL”

  1. jason says:

    NYC hardest hit.

  2. jason says:


    Vegetarian alert!

  3. jason says:

    NYC very upset the scumbag candidate he supposedly doesn’t support but would gladly support if he is nominated is in 3rd place.

    Amoral Scumbag very upset because he can’t blame Trump or his supporters for a scumbag being nominated although Trump never supported Roy Moore.

  4. Phil says:

    That poll tells me Moore’s chances at even getting in a runoff aren’t great….and his chances of winning a runoff are slim and none. Good. He and Akin can ride off into the sunset together.

  5. Tgca says:

    Cinco Bebe! cinco!

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC hardest hit? I disagree. Senator Jones is the hardest hit.

  7. mnw says:

    I would support Moore if he won, too– even though he’s a godawful disaster. I voted for McCain too, after he was nominated. I detested him also.

    Tell me again why Mike & I are the deadenders? Instead of the pure-of-heart posters who only vote for GOP nominees they approve of?

    49/50 & -5 today.

  8. mnw says:

    Tuberville always seemed to me like the most electable. No brainer.

    (I realize he’s a carpetbagger who really lives in FL.) And that nobody knew his political views until he announced his candidacy.

    The GOP has an exciting candidate for NH Senate, btw. A young (57) former Army general officer who was once a horse soldier– rode a horse in combat when he fought the Taliban. Please do not tell me he can’t beat Hassan. I reject that. He might beat her, but it’s certainly a long shot bid.

  9. janz says:

    I’m not familiar with any of those Alabama candidates, except of course Moore. Hopefully he will just ride off into the sunset, rather than become the nominee.

    Yes, I agree, mnw, that the guy challenging Hassan seems like a viable candidate. To me having military experience is always a plus, no matter which party they are affiliated with.

  10. jason says:

    mnw is right, I would never vote for Roy Moore, even if he was running against the ghost of Karl Marx. Like I did last time, if he were to be nominated I would hope he won by one vote.

    However, before Trump, I always voted straight ticket R for even the most detestable GOP candidates, and there were many in Texas and some locally here in PA too. As a pro-choice Republican, if I had litmus tested candidates in Texas there would be few I could support. So mnw can GFH with the pure-hearted BS, considering his support for certified deadenders.

    But Roy Moore is a bridge too far, and its not because of the sex allegations, it is because he has zero respect for the rule of law or the Constitution.

    It was another reason I left the GOP, now I no longer feel compelled to support any GOP candidate on the ballot.

    That being said, I plan to vote a straight R ballot in 2020.

  11. jason says:

    NYC hardest hit? I disagree. Senator Jones is the hardest hit.”

    I meant here at HHR.

  12. jason says:

    No disrespect for the horse soldier, but I wish Ayotte would run against Hassan again. She lost by 1000 votes, seems like she would be the strongest candidate.

  13. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I believe that in New Hampshire, the GOP “Horse Soldier” will compete against Democrat incumbent Jean Shahin in 2020 and not the “cadaver”, Hassan.

  14. NYCmike says:

    “I meant here at HHR.”

    -We are all Senator Jones!

  15. mnw says:


    Me too. Shaheen would be right back in the “I won’t do joint appearances with Trump. I’m not opposing him or supporting him” bag, & then here we go again.

    I haven’t read anywhere that she’s considering running again, & she might not win a GOP primary– not without a bitter fight, anyway.

    Btw, it’s about time for some drooling idiot to step up to the plate, & start talking about the fabled “brokered convention” again.

  16. mnw says:

    correction: sb “Hassan would be right back…”

  17. NYCmike says:

    3rd time is a charm? 🙂

  18. Big Joe says:

    It is my strong opinion that GE debates mean very little while primary debates can change everything. With that said, in a field of 20, the goal should be to differentiate yourself and to stand out. There’s probalby only room for 3 to emerge from each 10-person debate. You want to be in the headlines and be talked about. We already know who the main eventers are, but who can rise from mid-card status or even jobber (scrub) status?

    Looks like Beto and Booker got a favorable draw here. They have been struggling in the polls, but should be able to stand out tonight, along with Warren. I’m not sure the rest are serious candidates and are destined to top out as mid-carders, mostly likely they remain scrubs.

    Tomorrow’s debate is more interesting as there are more main-eventers and mid-carders, but again only 3 will emerge with near-term momentum. Stakes are higher for Harris and Mayor Pete. I think they would prefer to trade places with Beto this go round.

    Big Joe

  19. Big Joe says:

    Folks, Maggie Hassan is not up for re-election until 2022. Jean Shaheen is running for re-election in 2020. She survived a strong challenge from Scott Brown in a GOP wave year (2014).

    Big Joe

  20. Paul says:

    I’m still betting on Governor Bullock with the come from behind victory.

  21. NYCmike says:

    #20 – At Saratoga?

    Races don’t start until end of July.

  22. Big Joe says:

    “I’m still betting on Governor Bullock with the come from behind victory.”

    He does have a great chance to pull off what could be one of the most important Dem wins .. the Montana Senate race.


    Big Joe

  23. Paul says:

    I feel like Biden, Bernie and Warren are leading solely with name recognition. There is some softness to each of their support. Bernie probably has the most solid support. But, I’m certain there will be various ones rocketing up to the top and then back down (like Mayor Pete).

    Remember in 2011 that Rick Perry led polls by double digits for a month. Then Hermain Cain was in the lead. Then Newt Gingrich took his turn. The GOP finally gave up and settled for Romney. Maybe the Dems do the same and settle for Biden. Or a Bullock.

  24. lisab says:

    EXCLUSIVE: ‘Manic McCain!’ That’s what The View producers have branded co-host Meghan McCain after she melts down again calling the executive producer a ‘motherf***er’ in front of a studio audience

    Meghan McCain had another blow up when cameras weren’t rolling on the set of The View Tuesday, a source tells DailyMailTV

    The View co-host lost her cool after mistaking a law professor for a Justice Department lawyer during the live show

    During the commercial break McCain blew up at executive producer Brian Teta for not being briefed, calling him a ‘motherf***er’ in front of the audience

    ‘This is some bullsh*t! What are you producers good for?’ she said

    Human Resources came in to meet with McCain following Tuesday’s live broadcast because she disrespected an executive

    But sources say her job is safe as top ABC News executive James Goldston is ‘Meghan’s biggest fan’ as long as she keeps blasting Trump

    ‘At this point, Meghan is starring in the talk show version of How To Get Away With Murder,’ explained the source

    Tuesday’s profanity-laced blow-up follows McCain’s on-air outburst last week when she called her rival co-host Joy Behar a bi**h on live TV

  25. Wes says:

    Governor Sununu would have been the strongest opponent for Shaheen. He’s not running, so there goes that.

    As far as the Republican actually running he seems like a solid B-list candidate. I hope he can unseat her, but until I see polling saying otherwise I’m keeping this race at Solid D Hold.

  26. jason says:

    Well, she certainly had Behar pegged correctly.

  27. jason says:

    “I won’t do joint appearances with Trump. I’m not opposing him or supporting him” bag, & then here we go again. ”

    Considering she lost by less than he did, got 8000 votes more than he did and almost squeaked through, I would say it wasn’t a bad strategy.

    And her name is Ayotte, not Shaheen. Shaheen not doing joint appearances with Trump is a given.

  28. Wes says:

    Google says Ben SHAPIRO is a Nazi.

    Is Messy the Moron releasing statements for Google now?

  29. jason says:

    It’s very clear that Ayotte’s strategy of keeping away from Trump gained her more votes than cost her.

    In any case, this would be another election and other circumstances.

  30. Wes says:

    Ayotte has her vote split three ways with one of Mikey’s buddies actually saying he was running to elect Hassan Senator. She lost by 743 votes and ran two points and 8,000 votes ahead of Trump. It seems to me Deadenders doomed what was a viable campaign strategy.

  31. jason says:

    I won’t be watching the Dem debates to see which socialist is better at debating.

  32. Wes says:

    My phone autocorrected had to has. Grumble, growl.

  33. Tgca says:

    Meghan McCain makes a fool of herself constantly. She is not an articulate representative for the GOP. Her histrionic outbursts and inability to control her overly emoted annoying sobbing fests make her look weak and lack strength and grace that many other women in the public eye handle much better when dealing with similar or more difficult circumstances. If it were not for her dad and his distinguished career, we would not know of her. I rank her up there with Ron Reagan, Jr. of useless children of politicians. This cow sickens me when I see clips of her.

    P.S. In full disclosure, I do not think highly of Meghan just so there’s no misunderstanding.

  34. mnw says:

    It’s an article of faith here that a unified GOP ticket in NH would’ve been a disaster for the GOP? Baloney. The whole is often greater that the sum of the parts.

    I wouldn’t call the horse soldier a B-lister, either. A new face with an extraordinary military record.

  35. CG says:

    He reminds you of Chuck Connors, doesn’t he?

    That has to be it.

  36. Wes says:

    It’s incontrovertibly true Trump ran behind Ayotte whereas Ayotte nearly won despite a split vote while refusing to tie herself directly to Trump.

    As far as the announced Republican intending to challenge Shaheen he has an impressive background but low name ID and is an unproven candidate.Calling him a B-lister isn’t a term of denigration. It’s just a realistic assessment of him as a candidate.

  37. jason says:

    ’s an article of faith here that a unified GOP ticket in NH would’ve been a disaster for the GOP? Baloney.”


    The numbers are very clear. Ayotte did better than Trump, and in fact got 8k votes more than he did. The idea she would have won if she had tied herself more to Trump is asinine is not supported by any fact.

    Clinton 348,526
    Trump 345,790

    Hassan 354,649
    Ayotte 353,632

    So it’s clear that both Hassan was more popular than Hillary, and Ayotte more popular than Trump.

    Trump should have tied himself to Ayotte, not the other way around.

    Ayotte would not have won by kissing Trump’s ass, the numbers don’t lie.

  38. jason says:

    And by the way it made sense that Ayotte and Hassan got more votes than Hillary and Trump, considering they had fairly good approval numbers as Senator and Governor respectively.

  39. mnw says:


    OK, then, on the B-list comment. I misunderstood your meaning.
    The GOP needs MORE fresh faces with attention-grabbing bios.

    I will never agree about your & other posters’ view of the NH disaster. It looks to me like it was the worst of both worlds. Ayotte (I have trouble with the names of the 3 women) got slammed for everything Trump said & did anyway, & I suspect the net effect hurt GOP turnout marginally for both Trump & Ayotte.

  40. mnw says:

    DHS:”Release of illegal aliens into the U.S. drops 65% since Trump-Mexico deal”

  41. Wes says:

    Your last sentence makes my point, Mnw.

    If Ayotte suffered because of what Trump did anyway then clearly allying herself directly with him would only have further undercut her reelection prospects.

    Trump wasn’t carrying NH regardless of Ayotte, so her having an arms-length relationship with him worked. It would have worked too had her vote not split three ways.

  42. mnw says:

    I don’t think Trump knew he would be so close to winning NH, & I don’t think he put in the time or resources there that he would’ve, if he realized it was so close.

  43. jason says:

    The GOP turnout was good in NH, Obama but it was even better for Ayotte than for Trump.

    I am not dissing the new guy btw, seems to be an excellent candidate, and I will be happy to send him a check.

    I just think Sununu or Ayotte would be stronger candidates.

  44. jason says:

    Huh should say Obama won by 40k votes and both Trump and Ayotte did a lot better than Romney.

  45. jason says:

    Trump wasn’t carrying NH regardless of Ayotte,”

    Well both lost by very close margins, even Trump only needed a 3 k swing to win, Ayotte 500 votes.

    So Trump could have won if he had gone there one more time, maybe, or invested more in ads, or had more surrogates, etc. but that is hindsight and he certainly would not have traded NH for WI, MI or PA.

  46. jason says:

    Make that 1500 vote swing, not 3k.

  47. jason says:

    don’t think Trump knew he would be so close to winning NH, & I don’t think he put in the time or resources there that he would’ve, if he realized it was so close.”

    Exactly, that is why I don’t really agree with wes that he couldn’t have won there.

  48. jason says:

    Also you could make the case that even if the campaign did know it was close, they figured 4 more EVs were not going to do it if they didn’t win MI, WI and/or PA and they devoted the resources to those states.

  49. Wes says:

    That makes a few key assumptions, Mnw:

    1) Trump would have targeted NH.

    2) Trump had the resources to target the state.

    3) Targeting the state would have changed the outcome.

    There’s no proof of any of that. Trump was a bad fit for an increasingly liberal state but did better than expected because of a subpar, entitled opponent. Nothing indicates he ever had a realistic chance of carrying the state.

  50. janz says:

    Some are expecting the debate draw to be 9 million. That number, however, will not include me, as I find the candidates unwatchable.

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    49. “Nothing indicates he ever had a realistic chance of carrying the state.”

    Losing New Hampshire by 47.62% to 47.25% (less than half of one percent) is indication enough that it was realistically possible Trump could have won in New Hampshire.

  52. CG says:

    Remember the busfulls of illegal Mexicans that were brought across the Massachusetts border to vote against Trump and which cost him what should have been a double digit win there….

    Oddly enough, many of these illegal voters liked Ayotte apparently…

  53. NYCmike says:

    “CG” will be watching to see which candidate will be his preference to Trump.

  54. NYCmike says:

    In regard to netting down the foul lines in baseball:

    1) I don’t understand why it hasn’t been done at every ballpark yet.

    2) what kind of a-hole parent brings a 2 year old to a ballgame and sits in an area where screaming foul balls may come and endanger the child?

    3) what kind of a-hole parent doesn’t cover up their child with their own body as the screaming foul ball gets within a body length?!?

  55. NYCmike says:

    -Parents have an attorney, but no common sense.


  56. CG says:

    A. the ones that are on their phone looking up questionable photos of Chuck Connors

  57. NYCmike says:

    -Not only did the Mets screw up when they didn’t keep this guy who is a heck of a ballplayer, he also has common sense!

  58. NYCmike says:

    “Chuck Connors” has taken the place of “shooting someone on 5th avenue” as “CG”‘s go-to stupid remark of each day.

  59. Tgca says:


    The hundreds of thousands of Mexican illegals that voted in NH against Trump but voted for Ayotte was because they did not know who she was and her name sounded Hispanic. Ayotte (aye yo tee) rhymes with coyote in their pronunciation so it makes sense to me why they gave her their vote but not Trump.

  60. Tgca says:

    Are we gonna discuss Chuck Connors’ junk tonight?

  61. CG says:

    Not if his posts keep getting put into moderation like he says they do.

    There seems to be a clear reason why from what I have heard.

  62. Bitterlaw says:

    I might watch some of the Dem debate. I won’t learn as much as those who just read summaries of the debate.

  63. CG says:

    It’s going to be great entertainment

    1. Who will weep
    2. Who will apologize for having a penis
    3. How many will drop f bombs (Beto and Gilliband at the minimum)

    The wildcard for me will be to see if any candidate will actually consume cannabis while on stage.

  64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    63. LOL

  65. Victrc says:

    Lol. Love the wildcard

  66. Wes says:

    Which Dem will have a Rick Perry moment?

  67. NYCmike says:

    “The wildcard for me will be to see if any candidate will actually consume cannabis while on stage.”

    -Unfortunately, the “wildcard” will then make it more likely that candidate will be the one whom “CG” will prefer sitting in the Oval Office instead of Trump.

  68. NYCmike says:

    “Which Dem will have a Rick Perry moment?”

    -None of them.

    That part of the MSNBC video will be “suspiciously” lost…..

  69. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In the interest of encouraging a non-binary gender world, this song should be played as background music at the beginning of the debate.

  70. NYCmike says:

    Detachable Penis!

    SDC, Don Imus played that song like 20-30 years ago on the radio! LOL!

  71. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    70. You know there is a clinic in Bogo Pogo that specializes in it. A side effect is it does result in a certain moodiness. Those who have it done often get shrill and hysterical.

  72. PAUL says:


  73. Proud Obamacon says:

    Big Joe still worshipping Biden LOL

    Any one of these 10 candidates would be 10000000x better than the Pussy Grabber!


  74. Bitterlaw says:

    Beto says Medicare for most. Delaney says. Medicarefor all would bankrupt hospitals. The rest want Medicare for all.

  75. NYCmike says:

    -The link is about the Dems for the most part, but they do play the clip where Christie hammers Rubio!

    OUCH! He should have avoided going after Christie.

  76. NYCmike says:


    Who is that?

  77. Bitterlaw says:

    Either Booker is a giant or Warren is short.

    Insley focuses on forced payment for abortions.

  78. NYCmike says:


    Are they really talking about the ERA again?

  79. Tina says:

    Who is watching this sheot?

    Is Gaffe even there? Too tired to show?

  80. CG says:

    Klobuchar just shamed the male candidates for not being able to have an abortion if they tried.

    Castro said men can have abortions too, although he misspoke and said “trans women.”

    Beto is in way over his head. Tim Ryan looks pretty scared too. Delaney secretly thinks they are all nuts.

    Warren knows exactly what Democrat activists want to hear.

  81. Victrc says:

    Holy cow. I can’t believe I’m watching this in America. I thought it was going to be a looney show but this is absurd. I pray this is not truly the future of America

  82. Tina says:

    Oj Simpson is also watching, per a twitter post.

  83. Victrc says:

    So wait. It’s now America’s fault that someone tried to gain entry into this country illegally and they perished. Absurd

  84. Tina says:

    Pretty large R turnout outside the sheot show.

  85. CG says:

    Beto avoided answering a question before by speaking in Spanish. Now Booker is speaking in Spanish, (but no mention of the fact he is involved with Rosario Dawson.)

    Julian Castro, the sole “Latinx” candidate cannot speak Spanish, but he can pronounce the names and words of cities with great emphasis.

  86. CG says:

    Tulsi Gabbard is heavily medicated

  87. Victrc says:

    Ahhhhh now ICE are bad guys. They are attacking Americans now. Anyone honestly think trump isn’t better than these clowns?

  88. Bitterlaw says:

    Abortion rights for tran s women who can’t get pregnant. Wow.

    Booker speaking in Spanish.

    Everybody agrees a path to citizenship for all illegals.

  89. Tina says:

    Please do, please do.

    Ryan Saavedra
    Far-left Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren says that she will eliminate the private health insurance and will force everyone onto government-run healthcare

    70% of Americans say they like their current coverage

  90. CG says:

    Earlier, Amy Klobuchar made a beer joke. This is months after Brett Kavanaugh apologized for asking her if she had a drinking problems.

  91. Tina says:

    Yes, I agree also to amnesty for all illegals.

    _jeb Bush

  92. Proud Obamacon says:

    ” Anyone honestly think trump isn’t better than these clowns?”

    Yeah sport, even Delaney would be better. Hell, even my pet dog would be a better president than the Pussy Grabber!!


  93. CG says:

    I think Trump is a worse human than these clowns and sucks as a President and candidate too.

    It’s a good thing we still have baseball to help us forget about how horrible the political situation is, although the Cubs are losing 5-0 and in a rain delay now.

  94. CG says:

    Castro and Beto are having a fight

  95. Victrc says:

    Oh lord.. if any of these candidates become president there will be double digit unemployment. Inflation. Government control of a vast majority of business (healthcare and energy account for more than 25% of the economy).


  96. Tina says:

    Can we just go back to foil wrapping the illegals, like the obumbler?

    David Rutz
    “There’s not a crisis.” –Nicolle Wallace

    “Manufactured crisis.” –Don Lemon

    “Trump must stop … manufacturing a crisis.” –Nancy Pelosi


    “We have never not said there was a crisis. There is a humanitarian crisis at the border.” –Pelosi

  97. NYCmike says:

    “Anyone honestly think trump isn’t better than these clowns?”

    -Oddly enough, the one person I wanted to answer the question hasn’t answered it……..and the Cubs are in a rain delay, so no excuse there……..

  98. CG says:

    The word bubble above Klobuchar’s head is that she knows whatever she has to say here would screw her in a general election. She is visibly steeling herself to say these things to the party base.

  99. Bitterlaw says:

    Hissy fit between Castro and Beto over section 1325. Castro would remove all criminal penalties for crossing the border.

  100. NYCmike says:

    Oops, spoke too soon!

  101. CG says:

    I answered the question. Trump isn’t better than these clowns.

    And we haven’t even heard from Yang and Marrianne Williamson yet!

  102. CG says:

    Booker looks constipated.

  103. NYCmike says:

    “I think Trump is a worse human than these clowns and sucks as a President and candidate too.”

    -We now know the answer is “HELL NO!”.

    Question: “Is Wes’s BDS worse than “CG”‘s TDS?”

  104. Tina says:

    They need Hillary on stage so there could be some coughing,

  105. CG says:

    Elizabeth Warren just offered to share a peace pipe with the fighting Texans.

  106. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The debate is heading into chaos. NBC is doing a lousy job of moderating it.

  107. CG says:

    Does Inslee have Bell’s Palsey?

  108. NYCmike says:

    “Trump isn’t better than these clowns.”

    -This is like saying Trump isn’t better than Obama, or Hillary.

    “CG”, a true conservative!

  109. CG says:

    Hillary 2008 is the John Birch Society compared to what they are saying tonight (minus Delaney)

  110. Tina says:

    I still support Hilary.


  111. CG says:

    Somebody needs to turn to Beto and say, “Weren’t you supposed to bring out our appetizers?”

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Booker says we should not sacrifice our values for border security.

    This debate has elevated Booker’s profile.

    Klobuchar would go back to Iranian nuclear Deal

  113. Tina says:

    The Columbia Bugle ??
    “No I want Open Borders”

    “Yeh but I want more Open Borders!”

    “But I really really want Open Borders!”

    The #DemDebate in a nutshell.

  114. Tina says:

    Tweet of the night re the clown show.

    Donald J. Trump

  115. Tina says:

    Cory booker also speaks Spanish?

    Impressive for a dummy.

  116. CG says:

    deBlasio is claiming his right to interrupt randomly as a New Yorker, but the moderators shut him down to go to more commercials from billionaire corporations that need to be broken up in the name of our democracy and basic human rights…

  117. Tina says:

    Otherwise, we wrap them in foil.

    Ashley StClair ??
    Obama said it best… Don’t send your children to the border!

  118. CG says:

    They all left the stage during the commercial? All of them? The podiums are empty.

    Which male candidate will apologize for taking less time in the bathroom than the women?

  119. Bitterlaw says:

    Rep. Gabbard (who?) finally spoke.something about not starting a war with Iran. Conceded that there would be a “response” if Iran attacked US troops when she is President.

  120. Tina says:

    Gabbard makes some sense about failed adventures in the Middle East by the Bushies.

    She is also a veteran.

  121. Tina says:

    One tweet and a response to a reporter and he just destroys the Drats night.

    Betsy Klein
    President Trump on tonight’s Dem debate: “Everyone said I’ll be tweeting. I’ll actually be in the plane. It just seems very boring, but I’m going to watch it because I have to. This is part of my life,” he said. “Do I want to watch it?…It’s a very unexciting group of people.”

    5:51 AM – Jun 26, 2019

  122. Victrc says:

    The ignorance of these candidates on Iran was one idiocy too much for me. I turned it off. These people have no idea how dangerous Iran is, how much they have been terrorizing their neighbors for years and that Iran will stop at nothing until it controls the region and subordinates all the other countries.

    I want to say it’s being naive, but hinedly I think it’s sheer laziness and stupidity.

    I deslmdirectly with security in the region and understand the real threat. Iran has been working on weaponizing uranium and never slowed down during the horrendous Obama’s accord

  123. Tina says:

    Leave no illegal behind.

    Chuck Ross
    If you’re a journalist who denies that Democrats are completely for open borders, then you’re lying to your readers. #DNCDebate

  124. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart Retweeted

    Alex B
    The Obama Administration
    Quote Tweet

    Evan McMullin
    · Jun 25
    If we support men and women who put children in cages, what does that make us?

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – This is the danger of letting others watch for you. I have watched for an hour. The topics were Medicare, Immigration, the Iran nuclear deal, foreign aid to Central America and Mexico, and responding to Iran’s attacks. Wait. They are getting into guns.

  126. CG says:

    Some kind of embarrassing audio snafu from the network that brought us “The Apprentice.”

    The candidates lost about 7 minutes and the corporate sponsors gained them. Win win.

  127. Bitterlaw says:

    Castro coming across as an angry douche.

  128. CG says:

    Booker says he is the only candidate to live in the hood and 7 of his neighbors have recently gotten shot.

    Klobuchar told him that he should see the everyday fear in her staff’s eyes

  129. Tina says:

    No thanks, Bl, enjoy yourself wasting time watching commies.

  130. CG says:

    It appears Klobuchar is the only candidate not wearing pants.

    Although who knows what Joe Sestak might be up to.

  131. Tina says:

    I guess NBC is having technical issues. They probably spent all of their $$$ on the Russian Hoax:

    Donald J. Trump
    should be ashamed of themselves for having such a horrible technical breakdown in the middle of the debate. Truly unprofessional and only worthy of a FAKE NEWS Organization, which they are!

  132. Tina says:

    Hopefully, my Ca SEnator (only due to geography) knee caps Gaffe Biden tomorrow.

    She is the only one that can do it.

    I wonder if Biden gets the questions in advance from a Donna Brazille type?

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    Stay ignorant and enjoy reading inaccurate tweets, Tina.

  134. Tina says:

    What a sheotty network:

    Emerald Robinson ??
    It’s nice that
    grouped the Russiagate conspiracy theorists together as moderators since
    are both experiencing technical difficulties as journalists anyway.

  135. Tina says:

    What tweet is inaccurate, Bl?

  136. CG says:

    According to Chuck Todd, Mitch McConnell will stop any judicial nomination from any of these Democrats.

    You guys just lost one of your biggest Trump apologist talking points.

  137. Bitterlaw says:

    Why is Trump raising interest in the circus?

  138. Victrc says:

    What tonight has done is greatly increased Biden’s chances of being elected. After watching these candidates he’s going to seem moderate and sensible (the first he is not).

    The sad part is that this is the best the Dems have. The only reasonable candidates like congressman Ryan and the bald guy can’t get a word in edgewise.

  139. Paul says:

    This is insane. Still, any insane clown is far better than Trump.

  140. Tina says:

    I should watch the sheot show? They aren’t saying anything they haven’t already tweeted or said on mslsd, or cn and n.

  141. CG says:

    Rachael Maddow just said Miami Beach may be under water in our lifetime.

    Marco Rubio is already imagining the foam parties.

  142. Tina says:

    The Russians are causing nbcs technical difficulties.

    Let’s get good old,bob Mueller out of the dc cocktail hour and recycle him again.

  143. Bitterlaw says:

    The tweet that the Dem debate in a nutshell was all about open borders. It is not.

  144. Tina says:

    And Guam may soon tip over.

  145. CG says:

    Tim Ryan looks like he is about to barf.

  146. Tina says:

    Oh please Bl. Get a life.

  147. mnw says:

    I’ve been raked over the coals at TRUE CONSERVATIVE sites for suggesting Trump’s tweets are a wretched idea, & that it’s hard to imagine anything more unpresidential.

    I think Victr is right that this thing tonight helps Biden.

  148. mnw says:

    Just what we need here… running commentary from the trolls. Barf… cubed.

  149. Tina says:

    Rosie memos
    I bet Russia hacked the mics… #DemDebate

  150. Victrc says:

    If trump didn’t tweet his approval would be 5% – 8% higher.

    Thanks mnw. Honestly it’s almost like they encouraged all these nut jobs to rush to the left of Lenin in order to make Biden (who is a genuinely nice man but would be a train wreck as President) look better.

    If he doesn’t win the nomination then they are not serious about getting the White House back.

  151. Paul says:

    Booker is jumping out of his skin. He’s trying really really hard but not helping himself.

  152. mnw says:


    I agree about the 5%-8% too. I seriously hoped he would pivot to looking presidential at all times.

    The hostility my view generates at, e.g.. Powerline blog, is amazing to me. WE WANT MORE TWEETS!

  153. Paul says:

    Beto, DeBlasio and Ryan are looking good from purely superficial reasons. They are the tallest white men who don’t have Bells Palsy.

  154. NYCmike says:

    “This is insane. Still, any insane clown is far better than Trump.”

    -At least Paul and “CG” agree about which direction the country should go.

  155. lisab says:

    i think booker has done well to get his share of airtime

    warren is getting shut out, but maybe that is good? she is not saying anything silly when she is quiet.

    the hawaiian lady is simply not wanted by the dems

    beto has done better than he usually does, getting some attention

  156. Paul says:

    I thought Tulsi did very well and got a lot of air time and sounded very good. I think she’ll get a bump.

  157. Paul says:

    I also think Ryan has distinguished himself from the others and might find some movement.

  158. Victrc says:

    This is the first time I’ve seen Warren speak at any length and she seems like a septegenerisn woman. She is visibly older than the other candidates and sounds like it when she speaks, especially after the woman from Hawaii, Castro or Ryan.

    Btw interesting note on Castro. His mother was one of the founders of the Atzlan movement, to reclaim the west for Mexico.

  159. CG says:

    Tim Ryan gives a shout out to the teacher in Texas, the nurse in New Hampshire, and the waitress in Wisconsin.

    Fun game to play with all the other states…

  160. mnw says:

    South China Morning Post:

    “China, U.S. Agree to Tariff Truce, New Trade Talks”

  161. Paul says:

    160: More reason to like Castro!

  162. Victrc says:

    Ryan would be a nightmare for Trump as he speaks to the trump voters in Western PA, OH, WI and MI

  163. CG says:

    Shame on Tim Ryan from backing down from Tulsi Gabbard on the foreign policy fight. That is after he was staring at her with toxic masculinity. He was given a chance to respond and blew it.

    Overall, he came across like a less charismatic John Kasich.

    Elizabeth Warren really did not need to say anything tonight after her first answer. She knows what the people want to hear.

  164. CG says:

    My non-partisan analysis of the three “winners” from this “debate.”

    1. Warren
    2. Biden
    3. Trump

  165. lisab says:

    warren did not have money for a college application?

    ummmmmmmmmm … her family owned three cars in 1965!

  166. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    I say this tonight for no specific reason whatsoever

    But it’s time to re-open America’s mental institutions

  167. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina posts an inaccurate tweet. I tell her it is inaccurate. I show her why it was inaccurate. She tells me to get a life.

    Mo more lemoncellos tonight, Tina.

    I did not agree with anything the Dems said. I just don’t rely on others to tell me what they said.

  168. CG says:

    Klobuchar called for mandatory softball for middle school girls and deBlasio promised two free Broadway tickets a year to every American.

  169. Tina says:

    And you are an idiot if you did not realize that was a joke tweet.

    Person used “quotes.”

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    Mandatory softball? Game changer. I can support that.

  171. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina is triggered again! She knows any one of these Democrats can wipe the floor with her Pussy Grabbing hero. Even Delaney who I never heard of!!


  172. CG says:

    Delaney would beat Trump in a landslide, (I still couldn’t vote for him for two specific policy reasons), but Democrats will never be that sensible.

  173. Bitterlaw says:

    The quotes were obviously intended to convey the idea that all the Dems talked about was immigration. You did not post it as a joke. You posted it because you thought it was accurate. You look really stupid defending it.

    I think you are one of the most intelligent posters here but you get sucked in by tweets.

  174. Tina says:

    Said the one who fell for it as legit.

    “I think you are one of the most intelligent posters here but you get sucked in by tweets.”

  175. Bitterlaw says:

    Keep digging, Tina. You posted it because you believed it’ summarized a debate you did not watch.

  176. jason says:

    I can’t believe anyone here watched that garbage.

    I watched Yellowstone Live.


  177. jason says:

    This is insane. Still, any insane clown is far better than Trump.”

    The troll admits the Dems are insane clowns?

    It’s a start…

  178. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Impressions of the 1st Democratic debate:
    1. Warren had a solid performance, and will continue to be a frontrunner;
    2. Booker did very well — the question is will he pick up additional African-American support; Castro did well, but am not sure he will rise in the polls.
    3. Beto was awful, and likely his candidacy will be over soon. De Blasio. was shrill and not very good. Inslee bombed out also.
    4. No other candidates stood out.
    It was basically the kiddie table; tonight’s debate will have all of the major candidates (other than Warren).

  179. Tgca says:

    I agree with Trump the debate was boring. I agree with SDC in 181 too. I did not watch one moment of the debate but I agree with everyone here who criticized the Dems. That’s my take on the debate.


  180. Tina says:

    Yup, Bl is disappointed that he wasted time watching the sheot show. Maybe, he will waste more time tonigh watching Day 2?

    That was one tweet, I had several. Obviously, illegal immigration was one of many topics.

    The point of the tweet is regards to illegal immigration, all drats are open borders to varying degrees. Not that it comprised the “entire debate.”

  181. Bitterlaw says:

    I will be at a concert tonight:

    Salt N Pepa
    Naughty by Nature
    Debbie Gibson
    New Kids on the Block

    Tge 80s were awesome.

  182. Wes says:

    There’s that. Then there’s real ‘80s music:

  183. Tgca says:


    Debbie Gibson?


    How metrosexual of you.

  184. Bitterlaw says:

    GFY, Tg. They were cool

    You were probably more into Depeche Mode and Pet Shop Boys.

  185. Victrc says:

    My 3 yo and 5 yo are obsessed with Debbie Gibson. Whenever they ride with me they ask to put on the F song and E song (electric youth and foolish beat).

    Now the fact I have them on my phone to start with is another story.

  186. Victrc says:


    Wife and I would go to that in a minute

  187. dblaikie says:

    I didn’t watch much of the debate last night. But what I saw confirmed for me that this is a very weak group of candidates. Warren displayed the most passion — she is good at that. Remember her in the airport during the first month of Trump’s Presidency bellowing against vetting people who come into the USA. But her passion is for a bunch socialist clap trap. When she raised her hand that she wanted to do away with private health insurance it cooked her for the general election campaign. But Pocahontas will try to walk it back.

    Not much for Trump to worry about. In fact the only thing Trump needs to worry about is Trump.

  188. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – It is called the Mixtape tour. Maybe it is coming near you this summer.

  189. jason says:

    My theory on why there is no need to watch the debates is the same as there is no need to eat a whole egg to determine it is rotten.

  190. jason says:

    The woman who accused Trump of rape said she was a “massive fan of the Apprentice” on Facebook.

    I am sure some moombat analyst will say it is normal for rape victims to want to watch their rapist on TV.

  191. jason says:

    In fact the only thing Trump needs to worry about is Trump.”

    Well, it depends on how you define “only”.

    In this case, it is like saying the only thing to worry about cancer is the spread of the disease.

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    Since jason did not watch any of the debate, I am certain that he wil be consistent and not comment upon it.

  193. jason says:

    Maybe they can have Amoral Scumbag’s favorite psychologist on, the one who diagnosed Trump’s mental illness online and had Amoral Scumbag all excited for 15 minutes.

    She will say absolutely, it is proof she was actually raped by Trump, that is why she is so fixated on him she watched every episode of the Apprentice.

  194. Wes says:

    Given his musical tastes, I wonder if Bitter doesn’t need to come out of the closet.

  195. Tgca says:

    My version of fun 80s songs. Just a few…so many more. I have a large collection of music from the 70s, 80s, and 90s my fav music genre…over a thousand songs.

  196. jason says:

    Since jason did not watch any of the debate, I am certain that he wil be consistent and not comment upon it.”

    I would, but this is the comment section, so I do feel like I have moral obligation.

    So I will make comments based on what I think my comments would have been had I watched the debate.

    And I voted for Tulsi on the Drudge Poll because she was already ahead so I felt like I should bow to the opinion of the other 90% who voted for her without watching the debate.

  197. jason says:

    I thought Beto was a flaming a-hole before the debate and I still think that after the debate.

    If that is not “consistent” enough for Bitter he can GFH.

  198. Wes says:

    This is among the greatest ‘80s songs:

  199. jason says:

    “I wonder if Bitter doesn’t need to come out of the closet.”

    He can’t even go in on account of his massive sweater collection.

  200. mnw says:

    RAS is 50/48 & -1 today.

    That’s 2 points better than Zero on the same date in 2011.

    According to legend, John D. Rockefeller paid a kid to keep repeating, “Keep your head down!” when he played golf. Trump needs to hire a kid to stand behind him & say, “Act presidential, sir!”

    Trump’s online fans HATE my suggestion that he stop tweeting, btw.

  201. Tgca says:


    Some Depeche Mode was ok but never got into the goth look though I knew some who did. Pet Shop Boys were fun too but I prefer Billy Idol or Adam Ant or The Clash if we’re doing the Engwish thang. I also was a Ramones fan too.

  202. Wes says:

    I love to see the liberals howling when the Supes do the right thing:

  203. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca posted some fine songs.

    Wes probably misses those days in the basement watching Headbanger’s Ball on MTV

  204. mnw says:

    Wes beat me to it. Big SCOTUS win for the GOP on redistricting. Ruth Bader G hinted it was coming some weeks back.

  205. jason says:

    All the good music was pretty much produced between 1965 and 1975. There are a few scattered songs from before and after that period but that was the golden era.

  206. jason says:

    Just kidding.

    I only listen to the best Inca singer of all time, Yma Sumac.

  207. jason says:

    I am actually in that video around 2:15

  208. Tgca says:


    STOP! Don’t pick on Bitter. If later in life, he has found his inner metrosexual being I’m ok with that. It’s not uncommon for guys in midlife to turn to the finer more gentler things like sweaters, man purses, and flower shows…and girly music from the 80s.

    Girly Song 1

    Girly Song 2

  209. Bitterlaw says:

    Too bad the SCOTUS decision wasn’t earlier. PA might have 3 more GOP reps in Congress.

    Jason – Last night I was dragged to a movie by wife. It is called Echo in The Canyon. It is about the California music scene in the 1960s. It is only 1 1/2 hours long. Clips and interviews with Clapton, Ringo Star, Brian Wilson, David Crosby, Michelle Philips, and others. Focus was on Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, The Beach Boys, The Mommas and the Pappas and a few more. Interesting.

  210. Bitterlaw says:

    I liked those songs when they were new. Tiffany and Debbie were hot.

  211. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Conservatives win the Census Case 5-4! Good day in the Courts. BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  212. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I am wrong about the Census decision.

  213. Tgca says:

    Bitter went for the clean cut good girl image I see.

    Wes likes Wes a bit different.

  214. Tgca says:

    Jason? Not how I imagined you but it’s ok.

  215. Tina says:

    Souter 2.0 helps the left in the census question,

    Watch him side with the dacaters tomorrow,

  216. Tgca says:

    …and finally, the biggest selling song of all time. Jason must be proud.

  217. jason says:

    Trump to start another trade war.

    “NEW DELHI, June 27 (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday demanded India withdraw retaliatory tariffs imposed by New Delhi this month, calling the duties “unacceptable” in a stern message that signals trade ties between the two countries are fast deteriorating.”

    The AFL-CIO conservatives to celebrate in 3, 2, 1….

  218. Big Joe says:

    Sheeple Jr = Steve Harvey ?

    Big Joe

  219. dblaikie says:

    Jason, I thought the purpose of free trade was to have a level playing field. That is why I don’t, as a rule, like any tariffs. Truthfully I believe that Trump’s position of weaponizing tariffs is very high risk. With that in mind I don’t mind him demanding that tariffs be withdrawn.

    I sure don’t want to start another trade war, but I am tired of our country being the victim of unfair tariffs and trade practices. In the words of my friend Bitter, “both can be true.”

    By the way I agree with your interpretation of my last post.

  220. VictrC says:

    The census question is not resolved despite Roberts (ugh…) joining the libs. He remanded it back to the Commerce Dept and asked them to restate why it needs to be on there. Basically, give another reason. My guess is that commerce comes up with something more compelling and it stands next time.

    next, how bad is it that I have every signle song TCGA put up on my phone.

  221. Tgca says:


    You have the Llama song from 227 on your phone? I thought only Jason had that one. Hmm…interesting.

  222. Bitterlaw says:

    Very quick read. Trump had the right to ask about citizenship on the census BUT did not give a compelling state interest to ask it.

  223. Tgca says:

    I’m not so concerned with the census question. There are bigger fish to fry. The gerrymandering decision was much more important in my opinion.

  224. Bitterlaw says:

    The gerrymandering case has good and bad implications. In Dem-controlled states, the GOP is screwed. In GOP-controlled states, the Dems are screwed.

  225. jason says:

    SCOTUS remanded the census case back to the lower court, it did not rule on it.

    Roberts expressed serious reservations, but nothing has been decided yet.

  226. VictrC says:

    TGCA – ok well not EVERY song…but you get the jist

    Bitter – youre correct, its a double edged sword, so I don’t know why Liberals are up in arms about it. It hurts them in NC, helps them in MD. It was a bi=partisan decision meaning it affects both sides. Whomever controls statehouses, controls gerrymandering.

    Jason/Bitter – I think if the Commerce dept can come up with a more compelling way to ask it, then it flies. but as it stands, and correct me if I am wrong bitter, it looks like Trump will eventually be able to include this question…

  227. jason says:

    Jason, I thought the purpose of free trade was to have a level playing field.”

    You thought wrong.

    This is a favorite of the AFL-CIO conservatives, but no, that is NOT the “purpose” of free trade.

    If you are for free trade, then you are for the free flow of goods and services and against tariffs.

    You can still champion free trade even if others are protectionists and isolationists, just like you can be for capitalism and free enterprise even if there are countries that are Communist.

    The argument that we have to be economic isolationist just because other’s are is just an excuse to be economic isolationists.

    That is why I don’t, as a rule, like any tariffs”

    No, you just like them because Trump implemented them.

    “With that in mind I don’t mind him demanding that tariffs be withdrawn.”

    Hello? He is demanding retaliatory tariffs be withdrawn. In other words when countries impose retaliatory tariffs, he doesn’t like it, and goes ahead and escalates it.

    That is why trade wars only produce losers.

  228. mnw says:

    Is “free trade” what YOU BELIEVE we had with China, before the tariffs?

  229. Tgca says:

    Gerrymandering has been around for well over a 100 years. It’s a political process, always has been, always will be. So unless one can prove without any doubt it is being done to keep voters from voting, that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. It is nearly impossible to come up with a way to carve out congressional districts in any state that will please all. Someone will always complain about unfairness or inequality.

  230. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic- The problem for Trump is that it may be too late to get the census case back to SCOTUS in time for 2020. Maybe it can be done.

  231. NYCmike says:

    “Now the fact I have them on my phone to start with is another story.”

    -Good afternoon, sir.

    Please take a seat on that couch over there and we can get started.

    (aside) Nurse, please have the restraining straps ready, just in case.

  232. NYCmike says:

    Trump wants India to remove tariffs.
    Trump places tariffs on India since they won’t remove tariffs.
    Trump would get rid of tariffs if India removed their tariffs.
    Trump must be in favor of tariffs. Clearly.

  233. VictrC says:


    Can they (Trump/Dept of Commerce) look for a favorable court, in a favorable Circuit, that will allow the question to stand while the SC takes up the case? This would allow the question to be on the census, and distributed, before the SC has a chance to say no mas?

  234. NYCmike says:

    In my lifetime, the media never mentioned gerrymandering until after 1994.



  235. mnw says:

    I noticed how all the “Republican” trolls/jebots came out last night to frolic & delight in the appalling leftwing DEM love festival.

    Remember… they’re ALL Republicans, though…tra-la!

    They’ll be back tonite, like maggots on a fresh corpse, & BL will be here to explain what time-tested value the trolls (like his “client” Messy) add to the discussion!

  236. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – My free legal opinion is that it has to go back to the District Court where it started.

  237. Tgca says:

    Ok. It’s that time of day.


  238. Bitterlaw says:

    mnw- Echo chambers are dull. If you need one, Tina could probably recommend a few.

  239. NYCmike says:

    “mnw- Echo chambers are dull.”


    This site, mainly a Republican site, has had many disagreements over the years, without being an “echo chamber”.

    The point now is that you have “Republicans” saying that Trump, despite over 2 years of governing, is no better than any of these Democratic clowns. That is absurd! Delusional!

    And should be called out. Continuously.

  240. Bitterlaw says:

    So call them out. Continuously.

  241. Bitterlaw says:

    I rarely agree with Corey or Robbie. However, if they are registered as Republicans then they are Republicans. Pretty crappy ones, but still Republicans. You accept Trump as a Republican despite his many years on the other side.

    I did not agree with any of the Dems on anything except for mandatory softball.

  242. CG says:

    You almost always agree with me. Accept it.

  243. CG says:

    NYC (and others) should also at least recognize that the site they have been visiting for years, and giving hits to, and thus generating revenue, is run by someone (a Republican also) who shares my views on Donald Trump.

    So call yourself out too.

  244. CG says:

    Data also indicates that many, many Republicans will actually vote for one of these clowns when they face Donald Trump.

    Since I am not going to do that, I should be given credit for restraint in how I approach my justified and principled loathing of the scumbag Donald J. Trump.

  245. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – I do not agree with you on many issues. I think that having Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on SCOTUS is worth having scum like Trump in the White House.

  246. CG says:

    You disagree with me on a matter of political application.

    I do not think you would be able to find one major (or probably even minor) policy matter going back 15 years where you have disagreed with me.

  247. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A twitter recap of last night’s debate:

    #DemDebate recap:
    +Sen. Warren, you go first.
    +Hablo Español.
    +Sen. Warren?
    +A question for you, Sen. Warren.
    +I’ll let Sen. Warren respond.
    +Yo no creo en fronteras.
    “I have a black son.”

    This is how crazy the Democrats have become:

    I dont know about you guys, but I thought the bravest, most courageous moment of the #DemDebate was when Julian Castro defended a transgender woman’s right to have an abortion.

  248. Bitterlaw says:

    We disagree on the most important political issue of all. A Democrat can never be allowed to win the Presidency. In our system, only a Democrat or Republican will win. You were willing to let Hillary win. I was not.

  249. CG says:

    You think my one vote from Illinois is going to make the difference in the election? Please.

    And you certain have other people in your life far closer than I, who did and will do exactly as I have done.

    I maintain, that every policy or philosophical position I have ever expressed on here going back to 2004 has been one of mainstream conservatism. My views have not changed, or been altered to accommodate the whims of others. Can you think of an actual issue where you have ever disagreed with me?

  250. Tina says:

    One could talk to the executive department lawyahs, department of justice, and see about a “delay” in the census.

    Clearly what you get with Rino Roberts.

  251. Tina says:

    And Roberts will likely disappoint tomorrow on illegal Daca.

  252. mnw says:


    The “echo chamber” conservative blogs– such as Powerline & Ace of Spades? They want to vote me off their island for suggesting Trump should change his communication strategy in general, & stop tweeting in particular.

    The only places I’m really well-liked are at St. Louis Blues blogs.

  253. Tina says:


    Benjamin Weingarten
    Re census citizenship q, what a dumbfounding opinion. SCOTUS says citizenship q is constitutional. SCOTUS says Sec Ross made a reasonable decision to include it, reasonably explained. Yet SCOTUS doesn’t allow it bc it doesn’t believe in stated rationale (link:…

  254. Tgca says:


    Please provide serious evidence of the “many many Republicans” that will vote for the most radical left platform we’ve seen yet in a POTUS primary. Trump generally has the backing of the vast majority of the GOP, high 80s to 90 consistent with many previous GOP POTUS candidates. You also neglect to note that Trump has seemed to have done better with Dems, especially Dem white males than other recent GOP presidents so it will be interesting to see if that still sticks in 2020.

    Again, any real GOPer that considers a vote for any of the RADICALLY left-winged Dems from last month is seriously not in following with the GOP platform or they just wish to spite their face by biting their nose off. It would be like Jews voting for the Nazi. The logic makes no sense and sounds more like wishful thinking.

  255. Phil says:

    Yep. Roberts dicks us again. Thanks W. Great pick…and to think if Bush had his way we would have gotten Harriet Meyers as well.

  256. NYCmike says:

    I wonder if the pressure of being the Chief Justice makes people squishy.

    What exactly is the power inherent in that role?

    Is there anyway to demote Roberts, and make Ginsberg the chief justice. She seems to be tougher than Roberts, maybe she could handle the extra stress better than him.

    And its not like we have to worry about her drifting any more left……

  257. NYCmike says:

    Roberts could then hang more with the “right” people……

  258. Bitterlaw says:

    I think you wanted Justin Guarini to beat Kelly Clarkson in the first American Idol. Kelly was the easy choice.

  259. CG says:

    Nope, I supported Clarkson over Guarini of Philadelphia. I have tended to be correct in rooting against Philadelphia (except I was glad when they beat the Patriots)

  260. CG says:

    The Dalai Llama is more jason’s deal.

    Just to briefly address those who think that Trump is killing it politically and has no vulnerabilities. Did you see the 2018 results? Do you realize how many former GOP districts went Democrat?

  261. Tgca says:


    Did you notice that the 2018 turnout was significantly higher than in prior midterms and both sides increased turnout beyond expectations and that the Dems just beat the GOP on the numbers turnout in key areas?

    That does not suggest more GOP would vote for the radically left Dems in 2020. There is no evidence of that a all. In fact, the evidence is contrary with Trump having very solid GOP support in the polls. If you have evidence otherwise, produce it. Your reading of the 2018 was not a shift of the GOP to the Dems but instead a numbers turnout game that the GOP fell short upon but doing better than in other midterms.

    If not for the CA results, the 2018 loss of seats by a sitting party would have been within the norm. The CA GOP lost much more than expected due to the rules in that state when the GOP was ahead in their districts until the wee hours under the new rules. The CA GOP is a mess and has been for nearly 2 decades because they don’t know how to combat the Dems in that state.

  262. DW says:

    The Mets are funny…they score 8 runs, they allow 9. They allow 1 run, they score 0, as in today. They were one-hit through 8 innings, and it was their pitcher who got the one hit. But it would boring to just fold again in the 9th inning and allow the Phillies to sweep the series on a 1-0 score. That’s too predictable. So instead the Mets hit a two run homer to take a 2-1 lead, so they can blow another save in the bottom of the ninth and give the Phillies fans a more dramatic ending.

  263. Tgca says:

    As I’ve said before, and I will say again, the more that vote the better. If that hurts the GOP, so be it. If the GOP has to resort to lower turnout to win elections, that says more about the GOP then the Dems. I hope we have 90% turnout in 2020, though doubtful it will happen.

    I also believe 2018 was a good learning experience for the GOP. I thought many resources were not well used because some relied on traditional lower turnout by Dems. I don’t think that should ever be a strategy. The strategy should be to turn out the vote instead of hoping discouraged folks don’t show up.

  264. DW says:

    yep, playing out just like I said. Mets’ closer already blew the save after being given a 3-1 lead in the ninth, and now he will give away the win with a solo homer.

  265. DW says:

    Its good though. I was worried a minute there that the Mets scoring an insurance run in the 9th might help them actually win, which probably would save Callaway’s job, prolonging the agony for the whole season. But given they are going to get swept by the Phillies, better chance he gets the hook.

  266. DW says:

    Still don’t know why the Mets don’t put Diaz on the disabled list. Don’t know specifically what is wrong with him, but if you cannot get anyone out, you are obviously disabled.

  267. Tina says:

    Yes, Mute 43 was a disaster as President

    Iraq debacle


    Souter 2.0.

    Sheotty economy

  268. Wes says:

    Because it doesn’t fit his narrative, Tg ignores the fact that Republicans lost seats in SC, GA, and OK the Dems hadn’t won in 40 years.

    Republicans lost primarily because of two words: Donald Trump. There’s no evidence Dem enthusiasm has declined or Trump has done anything to reel in new voters. He will have to do that to win because Dems aren’t going to fail to get their voters to the polls.

  269. DW says:

    I am a prophet. Although its easy as a Mets fan. 6-3 the final as Diaz blew the save in a fashion even more spectacular than I would have even thought up.

  270. Tgca says:

    This is interesting if it turns out to be a trend. If young folks are being less supportive of the LBGTQ community, I don’t think it’s because of the I nfluence of Trumps tweets. I think it’s because folks are tired of things going too far and trying to criminalize thought.

    If you are told you’re a bigot or need to be open to sexual preferences, that will wear on folks sooner or later. When teachers start telling kids at grade school level to be open to whom they might want to marry, or telling them it’s ok to change your gender, some folks see that as pushing an agenda as opposed to accepting diversity.

    If a straight guy is told he is h*mophobe because he rejects the advances of a gay male, that seems wrong to me. But this is the culture some are trying to push instead of just letting things evolve naturally.

    I wonder if the gay community’s radical leftism is coming back to haunt them and it’s pulling back progress made over the years. This is partly why I find Mayor Pete a joke. He is being pushed on folks as the typical gay male and that folks need to accept him and his husband. I think some are not ready for that in your face approach.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “Just to briefly address those who think that Trump is killing it politically and has no vulnerabilities. Did you see the 2018 results? Do you realize how many former GOP districts went Democrat?”

    -Who are “those who think that Trump is killing it politically and has no vulnerabilities”?

    Just about every Republican poster, other than you and Robbie, admits that Trump is his own worst enemy, but that the Democratic candidate would be worse than him.

  272. jason says:

    Is “free trade” what YOU BELIEVE we had with China, before the tariffs?”

    I favor free trade, free markets, free enterprise, free markets.

    I oppose protectionism, isolationism and tariffs.

    I don’t base what I believe in on China’s economic policy or form of government or on what the AFL-CIO advocates.

  273. NYCmike says:

    In regard to House districts, I would like to speak about my old one, NY-CD11.

    In 2018, the Democrat rec’d 101K votes.
    In 2018, the Republican rec’d 89K votes.

    In 2016, the Democrat rec’d 85K votes.
    In 2016, the Republican rec’d 142K votes.

    I am going to predict that this district, if we get a good candidate, will swing back to the Republicans.

  274. NYCmike says:


    You have to admit it – Diaz does have a flair for the dramatic!

  275. CG says:

    285. We have been through this before.

    Many, many voters only show up for Presidential elections. These people do not vote in midterms. They vote every four years, not every two. Political Science 101 s.tuff.

    Back later, maybe.

  276. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    282. I believe that the younger Americans are beginning to turn against leftist politically correct ideology. In the not too distant future we may have a generation of young people who resemble the conservative youth of the Reagan years. Other than the leftist fringe, am not seeing OAC’s idealogy being universally accepted among the young.

  277. Tina says:

    We are a banana republic,

    “The majority of the Court, with Roberts cocurring punted the issue back to Commerce by noting esoteric concerns about the motives behind the administrative procedure for adding the question. In essence, Secretary Wilbur Ross can add the question, but his current motive for adding the question was rebuked.”

  278. Tina says:

    They should just print the form with the question and tell the court to phuq off.

  279. Tgca says:


    Wes, you ignorant slut!

    It’s not a narrative. Learn to read. I analyze data and report upon it and look for trends. I did not do a detailed analysis of every district, as I am sure no one else here did either. But in the ones I’ve seen, including CO and a few others, turn out was the factor, not defection. So unless someone has reliable data that shows their was mass defection from the GOP to the Dems, I hold my ground.

    In each of the cases you presented, they were very close elections lost by about 3k or 1% of the vote but the major factor was significant turnout increases in both sides but where the GOP lost the numbers game. In each case, the GOP also significantly increased its vote over the prior midterms so how is that GOP losing folks to the Dems unless one tries to argue all those increased votes on the Dem side were GOP voters who did not vote in prior midterms but that decided to come out and vote for the Dems for which I see no evidence.

    Let’s look at each of your cases.

    My understanding is that S.C. seat lost by Arrington was because she was severely understaffed and funded, she flipped on offshore oil drilling, and some GOP mayors supported her Dem opponent which sounds detrimental to have your own party defect on you. It was a very close race but my gut feeling is Sanford would have kept the seat. She had a number of strikes against her and her campaign complained about lack of support and resources from the GOP money guys.

    GA loss was because a popular incumbent was replaced on the ticket and even then, his replacement increased votes over previous midterm by 17K done by Price but the Dems increased more to inch out a win of 3k votes or about 1%

    OK was similar to last 2. GOP increased its turnout over previous midterms by 20% here but Dem turnout was much greater.

    So this goes to my point in each of these cases that it does not show that the GOP voters abandoned the GOP, it shows significant increased turnout by both sides but much more so on Dem sides. That was my point. I was not making any other point but questioning GOP defection to the Dems. So unless someone can show me evidence of total GOP voters being significantly greater than votes cast for the GOP, I must assume it was a numbers turnout game the Dems won.

  280. Bitterlaw says:

    Actually, a conservative position is that the government has to justify its actions. I wish the court had just allowed the census question but I want to read the opinions and not just follow Twitter.

  281. Tgca says:

    288. SDC

    Just for the record, if HHR posters decide to slide back in time before they “evolved” on gay matters, we are throwing you under the bus 1st, followed by Michael in his salmon-colored jacket, and then LisaB, our resident gay expert and part-time lesbo. If we need more, than maybe we can go after Bitter and his sweater collection, flowers, and Debbie Gibson and Tiffany CDs.

  282. Wes says:

    So the Dems won the numbers game in three GOP-heavy districts that hadn’t elected a Dem to Congress in four decades.

    Tg sees no problem with this.

    Where have I seen similar results this century?

    Oh, yes. 2006 and 2008. That’s a really good narrative to rest on, Tg. Dems accomplished the same thing on a larger scale in 2018 as they accomplished in the two worst years to that point for the GOP this century.

    Naturally Trump will win!

    Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.


    Good luck

  283. Tgca says:


    To be fair to my friend Wes with the roaming hands, I am not saying Trump was not a factor in turnout, I was saying I saw no reliable evidence of mass GOP defection to the Dems.

    Again, I think everyone should vote. If folks in the GOP are afraid of legitimate voters and increased turnout, then that means the GOP needs to work on its platform and/or outreach and not rely on lower turnout to win midterms.

  284. Tgca says:

    295 Wes

    My response to you is:

    Are you concerned about more voter turnout or are you concerned of mass GOP defection to the Dems?

    I would be concerned about the latter and not the former, because the former suggests this is what should happen in our society, and we should all applaud as much legitimate voter turnout as possible.

  285. Wes says:

    I guess Tg didn’t analyze Arizona either. Although Trump carried that state in 2016 he ran well behind the GOP presidential baseline of 10-11%.

    Last year, the GOP has robust turnout that eclipsed what the Dems got by ~100K votes. Despite this, Republicans lost three statewide offices including a prized Senate seat, control of the AZCD, and a large number of seats in the Legislature.

    Is it slightly possible some Republicans disgusted with Trump may have elected to make their feelings known by voting for the Dems, Tg?

  286. Wes says:

    I’m concerned Trump is such a bombastic solipsist he’s going to continue to energize voters against him and the GOP, Tg.

    If a solid economy results in congressional losses approaching 1930 or 1974 levels then the President is clearly going to have a hard time turning voters’ attention to his strongest case for reelection—meaning he will lose, Tg.

    If Dems could outorganize and outmaneuver Republicans in solidly GOP districts last year, what honestly makes you think they won’t do it again next year?

    Trump is the focal point of Dem rage. They will literally have no better chance to turn that into increased electoral success than next year.

  287. Tgca says:


    In response to your inquiry, yes. But some defection is not many many as CG stated that started this discussion. Many many to me implies mass defection to radical lefties and I do not see that.

    As someone who lived in AZ, I can tell you the state has been trending more purple for years too.

  288. Tgca says:


    Your concerns are legit. But I also think voters are getting used to Trumps style and starting to tune out a lot of the drama and focus on the accomplishments. I noticed, other than MSM and Dems, most seem to not really focus on it as much and accept its his obnoxious style. But I would like to believe most moderates are realistic to know the alternative is worse. Time will tell though.

    Also, I think many in GOP should have learned from 2018, not to take turnout for granted. That was my frustration. I felt the GOP was not resourcing enough there.

    I also think there will tremendous GOP turnout in 2020.

  289. Wes says:

    You can’t have it both ways, Tg. Either Republicans increased their turnout, or they didn’t.

    Empirical evidence says they hit their targets in 2018–see Arizona—but that didn’t matter.

    Hope is not a strategy. Eventually people tune out candidates they’ve learned to dislike. (See Rick Santorum, who ran an aggressive reelection campaign that tried to paint him as a hard worker for his constituents and Casey as an entitled, lazy politician.)

    I see Trump as a large-scale Santorum. Polling outside Rasmussen has confirmed this as Trump is perennially in the danger zone for incumbents and has never been popular. People don’t always become desensitized to public figures’ antics. Often they react negatively by in the case of celebrities no longer patronizing them or in the case of politicians by voting them out.

    I highly expect Trump to lose precisely because he continues to play his character on The Apprentice as President rather than becoming a statesmanlike character who doesn’t trigger visceral dislike in his opposition and among those not committed to either side.

  290. janz says:

    Very much like 2016 the 2020 presidential election will be a binary choice between two polar opposites. One will have an established record leaning conservative in its implementation and outcomes. The other will have calls for a more socialistic left turn – one extolling countless freebies without any realistic, let alone fair, ways to pay for them.

    Therefore, If there is any truth to many surveys claiming that people are still more moderate & conservative than far left liberal, I think rational voting will prevail, despite palpable dislike felt by many for a candidate’s continuing bombastic, abrasive behavior.

  291. Tina says:

    We get the return of F. Mulehead and the coup plotters in two weeks:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    A week after E. Jean Carroll “I was raped by Trump in the lingerie dept at age 52” and
    best efforts Trump’s LV aggregate is up at 46.5% as public fed up with media’s garbage

    Rasmussen 50%
    HarrisX 46%
    The Hill 45%
    YouGov 44%

  292. janz says:

    Wes, your election conclusions sound similar to the ones made during the lead-up to November 2016. However, I think too much weight is placed on an evaluation of trump’s style and personality which you find distasteful, unpresidential. IMO, during the final days of voting consideration, I think people ultimately will support someone who will do less harm. If the economy holds, that tendency will be doubled.

  293. Wes says:

    Janz, I’ve actually seen people use the Dems-are-socialist argument as a reason to support Trump. I’ve seen exactly no one switch to Trump because of it.

    Esoteric arguments about having to live under a European economic model aren’t going to persuade people. Trump had the argument of a strong economy as a reason to reelect Republicans last year. The loss of 40 seats indicates Americans weren’t sold.

    If Dems managed to make such sizable gains already in the face of massive GOP turnout with a solid economy boosting the GOP how do you conclude they won’t be just as successful next year?

    I would argue because Trump’s personality overshadows literally everything else to his detriment it isn’t the economy, stupid. It’s the personality.

    Those are the dangers of electing a boorish solipsist with a personality that forces him to always be the center of attention. It drowns the positive and accentuates negative, thus obscuring and minimizing or completely negating the benefits of his positives.

  294. NYCmike says:

    -$50 billion to Gaza and other Arab nations with tyrants in charge?

    NO DEAL!

    Do NOT give the Palestinians a nickel until they get rid of Hamas, Hezbollah, etc, and also disavow their promise to seek the destruction of Israel.

  295. Tgca says:


    No one here can predict what will happen in 2020 either with any assurance. I was told by coworkers and friends Trump would lose to HIllary and I disagreed. I analyzed certain stats that gave me a comfort level Trump would win near the end. It wasn’t a lock but I was hopeful. I live in the northeast and you cannot discount how many white men resent the Dems for what they have done to the Dem party, and that extrapolates across the Midwest too. Trump also won white women, and I expect he will again as it gets closer to the election and these white women look at their families and what the Dem party wants to do to them, especially their sons. Like it or not, racial politics is involved just as much as it is for Dems. If Trump stays competitive with Hispanics as he did in 2016 and keeps the same AA percent, I think he will be hard to beat with all else equal. There is not one current Dem candidate that can unite the AA or Hispanic votes in lopsided numbers equal to Obama either.

    Trump showed that when the choices are limited, folks make decisions based on other things then likabilIty. I think we will have a repeat of 2016 in 2020 if all else is equal to today. I don’t know anyone either that thinks any of the leading Dems are likable. I also know folks who held their nose and voted for Trump and claim they will do the same again given the current Dem choices. These are the same folks who tell me they wish he behaved differently but in the end, they’re decisions are not based on likabilIty when compared to the other side.

    Finally, after 2 years of making a mockery of taking the House, the Dems will have nothing to show but hearings, and I don’t think the American people will reward them with the senate and presidency for that. Most moderate Americans see through this, and I strongly believe the GOP is more energized now than the last 2 years so if that is sustained, it’s hard to take down an incumbent.

  296. Wes says:

    Tg, it was easy to choose one unlikable candidate (who nonetheless couldn’t muster a plurality of the vote) when Trump’s opponent was an entitled elitist who expected a coronation and came under investigation for compromising national security.

    Let’s not forget how Trump won before saying people ignored his public persona to elect him. Trump and Hillary both had dismal favorable ratings. Trump just had fewer tangible reasons to vote against him. Against anyone other than Hillary, Trump would have had no chance.

    As for the rest of your post, it’s a gallimaufry of “I hope,” “I wish,” and “I think” self-justifying observations taking the place of serious analysis.

    You’re examining everything through the prism of your desire—Trump’s re-election—rather than the reality of what’s been going on the past two-and-a-half years.

    I never made any commitment to which way I would fall on Trump’s re-election till the day after the midterm when Trump proved he had learned nothing from the results—and never would.

  297. janz says:

    Wes, I understand your points but don’t necessarily agree with them.

    First, the 2018 midterms did have an inordinately large turnout. However, Trump was not on the ballot, and the emphasis mostly was focused on state rather than national preferences. Also, many of those CD districts that voted democratic did so by slim margins, cajoled by dem candidates that these districts would be served by moderate to conservative people representing their interests. Following the chaos and leftist moves of the current House how vulnerable are these congresspeople of losing the confidence of the people?

    Again, I’m struck by how much of your argument claiming trump will lose is made on the basis of his unlikable personality. Perhaps, I simply weigh the value of leadership by a different metric, such as performance & substance. Even though I have often mentioned how turned off I am by Trump’s rigorous verbal counter punches and voluminous twitter feeds, when it comes to domestic and foreign policy decisions I agree more often than I disagree. Regarding any of the 2 dozen dems running for the Oval Office, I have the opposite reaction by disagreeing almost a 100% of the time with their cringeworthy ideas of running and utterly transforming this country!

  298. janz says:

    Tgca, I seemed to mirror what you said in #309 in my #311 comments. I totally agree with your reasoning on the upcoming election!

  299. Tgca says:


    That’s the pot calling the kettle black. Your analysis is not based in any current statistical data that is relevant to 2020, especially with the current view of what’s going on in the House and the fact that Trump has been pretty much vindicated on the Russia claims which I believe dampen the spirit of Dems too. It’s all based on how you feel personally about Trump that you’re projecting that it will result in doom in 2020. Well, 2010 was horrible for Obama too but he won in 2012. Things happen that lead to unforeseen surprises.

    For every point you make, myself and others here can counterpoint. Your fear of losing in 2020 is similar to the fear many had in 2016. You can’t predict anymore with documented support than others here, but you expect us to bow to your wisdom which is not wisdom but guesswork based on your feelings of how people see Trump.

    I believe there is a lot more here than meets the eye. My rationale in 2016 worked out and the exit polls showed my hypotheses was supported to some degree so I believe I have some validity to fall back upon when making assessments.

  300. Wes says:

    So four-year-old assessment used as the basis for a hoped-for repeat despite the change in circumstances trumps recent electoral results and the majority of current polling, Tg?


    You go to great lengths to ignore the things Hillary did to unwittingly help Trump win and act as if 2020 will be a near carbon copy of 2016.

    The only problem with that is that 2020 won’t be 2016, and Trump as President won’t be facing Hillary Clinton again. Pining for the halcyon days of an election whose circumstances will be radically different from those of the upcoming one is a recipe for disappointment.

    As far as Obama, he lost voters he would never get back in 2010 and in 2012 won by a sharply reduced margin from his 2008 victory in 2012. If Trump follows what Obama did in 2012–losing states, voters, and areas he had carried previously in his reelection—then Trump will lose handily. You should maybe research your analogies and see how well they fit your narrative before throwing them out as a means to bolster your argument.

  301. Tgca says:

    Looks like Beto is toast per most in MSM. This is perfect example how folks get crazy and tie themselves too early to expectations without understanding time is dynamic and much can change in a short time. Less than 2 years ago, he was predicted to be the next wonderkid and the cool dude who would unite the youngsters and be the new face of the Dem party, and energizing minorities like Latinos too. Turns out the dude was a dud! Anything can change still but if his funding drys up soon, he’s not got a chance.

    I still think it’s down to Bernie or Warren at this point if you leave it up to the radical lefty primary folks unless the more moderate Dems take control and put Biden in charge. We will see how this plays out.

  302. Wes says:

    Let me get your argument straight, Tg:

    Trump will run behind his popular vote total and percentage in 2020, lose states he carried, and see the Dem running against him pick up votes over 2016.

    This by the way is how Obama won in 2022.

    Somehow despite radically different showings between Trump in 2016 and Obama in 2008, this means Trump will win next year.

    I’m not sure how you reach that conclusion, but it works for you, I guess.

  303. Tgca says:


    …and you go to great lengths to ignore things the House and Dems are doing to help Trump win daily.

    I’m not going on a 4 – year old assessment, I’m seeing the same out of touch with the Dems alienating white voters even more as many folks are fretting less over Trumps tweets as they get used to his style and no longer overreact to it.

    …and stop thinking 2020 is a carbon copy of 2018.

    …and Warren or Bernie will make HIllary seem lovable if either of them are the Dem nominee so that’s good for Trump.

    Tit for tat dude! Goes both ways.

    Why can’t you accept that others have a valid view and yours is no more valid? Only time will tell.

  304. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    317. “Why can’t you accept that others have a valid view and yours is no more valid? Only time will tell.”

    In case no one has mentioned it, Tgca you are one of the most articulate posters on the board.

  305. Tgca says:

    Mayor Butt has an ongoing crisis and has abandoned his city for what appears to be selfish reasons. If he can’t unite a small community of 100K diverse folks, how is he going to unite a diverse nation of 320+M. Besides, he is in deep doo with the AA community, as I posted a few months back and now it’s worse. I cannot imagine him energizing the AA turnout for what appears a privileged white gay man with a tin ear to racial inequities in his city, where he exacerbated such race issues with his decisions, especially demoting a well-respected career AA police chief.

    It will be interesting to see if Kamala sets him straight tonight. We could have another Rubio ridicule from an experienced prosecutor.

  306. Tgca says:

    318. SDC

    Hmmm…you’re still going under the bus 1st if HHR posters devolve back and start ostracizing gays per the study referenced earlier. I’m going last, after Bitter and LisaB.

  307. NYCmike says:

    -A picture is worth a thousand words…….but the author wrote some anyway.

  308. VictrC says:

    Oh Lord…Starting with Sanders…what is a Yuman Right

  309. Ron N says:

    I thought last night was crazy candidates tonight is crazier.

  310. VictrC says:

    Hey, ill give people $6,000 a year for free

    No, wait, ill give them $12,000 a year for doing absolutely nothing.

    Yeah thats the ticket to a great America.

  311. VictrC says:

    So wait, if you kill Pharma companies, then who on earth is going to make the drugs, who is going to develop new medicine?

    Do they think new life saving medicines are going to fall down from the sky?

  312. VictrC says:

    Wow – free medical for illegals, but if I make money I have to pay

    Now citizenship for illegals.

    Holy cow

  313. mnw says:

    In the foregoing discussion of Trump’s 2020 chances, no-one references the facts that 1) Trump’s JA is better that Zero’s on this date in 2011, & 2) the economy is undeniably better than it was throughout Zero’s first term.

    Looks to me like another “base election,” & Trump is better prepared this time– money; field organization.

  314. NYCmike says:

    -This is how linked to it:

    “GETTING HARDER TO TELL THE PRC DICTATORS FROM GOOGLE: Unofficial HK protest anthem “Sing Hallelujah to the Lord” banned on Chinese streaming platform.”

  315. Phil says:

    What’s wrong with free healthcare for immigrants without papers? They are people too.

    Pretty obvious to me some of you simply hate Hispanics. White privilege is such an ugly thing.

  316. VictrC says:


  317. VictrC says:

    Did anyone else notice the absolute TERROR that Harris had when she dared to criticize Barack Obama. I mean, she was almost shaking and stuttered because Biden claimed the Obama mantle, and the moderators challenged it. She was literally trembling.

  318. mnw says:

    The twue REPUBLICAN trolls/jebots are surprisingly absent so far. 2nite.

    Hopefully they went over to KOS, to be with other simpatico Republicans.

  319. Tina says:

    Kamala destroying Gaffe, as I predicted.

  320. Tina says:

    Trolling the commies:

    Donald J. Trump
    All Democrats just raised their hands for giving millions of illegal aliens unlimited healthcare. How about taking care of American Citizens first!? That’s the end of that race!

    6:37 PM – Jun 27, 2019

  321. Tina says:

    No post debate for Biden. They announced he is too tired.

  322. CG says:

    mnw, if he can tear himself away from his Chuck Connors images, can keep up with my running commentary on Debate Night 2: Socialist Bugaloo

  323. Tina says:

    Parscale getting in on sheot show 2.

    Brad Parscale
    Free college.
    Free health care.
    Free houses.
    Free cars.
    Free boats.
    Free airplanes.
    Free ice cream.

    Nobody has to work! Everyone just gets everything for FREE! Amazing!

    Democrats have invented the money tree! ? ?

  324. VictrC says:

    I am beginning to think that as the field narrows down and there are only 4 or 5 standing that Biden might be in trouble.

    Harris is doing a good job on him, but heck, even Sen Bennett is doing a job on him.

  325. Ron N says:

    Can not watch these guys anymore!!!

  326. CG says:

    People seem to forget that as a Republican Presidential candidate, Donald Trump came out in favor of European style Single Payer healthcare too.

    But yeah, people here say it’s ok, he doesn’t know what he is talking about anyway.

  327. Tina says:

    Kamala did it, she destroyed Biden.

    He would engage her. He should have laughed at her.

    The ex Dhs Secretary did that and it triggered her,

    Biden is just pure dum ,

  328. Tina says:

    Biden may need to do post debate repair.

    But why in the heck did his campaign spox announce he is goinf to bed?

    Are the Gop e running his campaign?


  329. VictrC says:

    Kamala biggest problem is she thinks she can bully everyone into listening to her like shes prosecuting people. She yells. She doesn’t engage. She has no chance of winning nationally with the way she engages with people. I can see her being Biden VP

  330. VictrC says:

    Oh, and Buttigeig got crushed on the police issue. And then he went on the offensive against police. Thats not going to play in a lot of America.

  331. Tina says:

    I think that was Kamala at her finest. She made it personal there without being too over the top.

    Seemed real

    (I despise her).

  332. Tina says:

    Have to say

    Top 2

    Pocahontas and Kamala.

    (You can change the order easily).

  333. CG says:

    I am predicting a Warren/Harris ticket.

    I have the right to change my mind down the road.

  334. CG says:

    Rachel Maddow asks Biden about voting for the Iraq War.

    I thought she was about to ask him why he opposed the raid to get bin Laden.

  335. VictrC says:


    I don’t see a two female ticket winning. I know you don’t like Trump, but realistically, both Warren and Harris have abrasive personalities, and both appeal to the coastal elite crowds.

    They don’t play in Wisconsin, Michigan, PA, Iowa, Ohio, etc. They are very very regional candidates.

  336. mnw says:


    Please don’t feed the trolls. That’s how you get more of them.

  337. CG says:

    Well, time will tell. Both parties these days have huge, fundamental weaknesses.

    It makes me sad there are no other options at the moment. At least we still have Major League Baseball and the Cubs are in first place.

  338. Tina says:

    We may be hearing about Her Thighness entering the race.
    She has nothing to lose at this point.

  339. CG says:

    Their best option would be Oprah.

    Completely seriously.

  340. Tina says:

    There are a lot of parcels between Biden and Flub.

    Both came in with high expectations and under performed so badly after debate 1.

    Flub was not prepared for the Iraq question despite paying his advisors.

    Biden engaged Kamala stupidly.

  341. Tina says:


  342. Phil says:

    Biden could easily become Jeb II. He may be well on the way.

  343. Paul says:

    I forget. Who is Flub?

  344. CG says:

    At no point did Jeb Bush ever lead national polls. Let’s be factual.

    Jeb Bush was of course the best person to be President out of anyone who ran in 2016 and he would be the best out of anyone who is running in 2020 as well.

  345. Tina says:

    I knew if Biden did not handle Kamala the correct way, he would be toast. I said it last nite she was going to gun for him.

    Flub =jeb=leave no illegal behind

  346. Tina says:

    I still do not know why it took flub 5 times to answer the Iraq question.

    Should have said it was a huge mistake,

    But a third bush is a bridge too far.

  347. Tina says:

    This is cringeworthy? I could not think that the sheot show would get sheottier.

  348. Tina says:

    Don’t rule out buttplug,

  349. janz says:

    Hard to imagine any of the latest 10 debate candidates presiding over this country. They would bankrupt a hardware store – quickly – let alone a country of this size and complexity!

  350. Paul says:

    Biden’s torchsong.

  351. CG says:

    Would bankrupting a hardware store be harder or easier than bankrupting a c.asino?

  352. Tgca says:

    Kamala hurt Biden badly tonight. She tried to give him an out to just acknowledge what she deemed a mistake and she played the hurt card on him as someone impacted personally by the bussing, and he would not budge or even acknowledge her comments on her pain. That will not go over well with AA, especially women. I can see folks making analogies that he treated her like he treated Anita Hill.

    He should have just tried to show some compassion but he let his anger brush her aside. He should have done a Bill Clinton, I feel your pain and then explain his rationale but he could not do that.

  353. CG says:

    Her ultimate power move tomorrow would be an in person Anita Hill endorsement.

  354. Tina says:

    Maybe Williamson and Bets Male should go on a date.

  355. Tgca says:

    Mayor Butt got nailed on leadership responsibility and why he did not fire the police chief. He had his Rubio moment when the point was repeated and it questioned his leadership. He just looked at him the last time, and had no response.

    It was a gotcha moment and simple statement. You’re the mayor, why didn’t you just fire him? Instead, Butt blabbed some rehearsed line that backfired.

    I guess Kamala passed on him too because she wanted to take out Biden, and it would not look good if she tried the “as the only black person on this stage” twice. Good choice for her. She made Biden look unrepentant and callous towards a black woman while Butt looked immature and not ready for the big league.

  356. Tina says:

    Trump Campaign Statement after Day 2. They must be very happy.

  357. Tina says:

    His time is really up.

    Ryan Saavedra’s Tweets

    Ryan Saavedra
    Joe Biden ends his time after getting reamed by Kamala Harris over race, shows little fight: “My time’s up, I’m sorry”

    Every other candidate continued fighting when their time expired except Biden, he just bowed out. Looks very weak

  358. Tgca says:

    I have said this before, and will say it again. Oprah would never survive the heat of a POTUS race. She is a diva and has a lot of baggage regarding folks who’ve worked with her in the past that have less than nice things to go and say of her. She also likes all the finer things in life and you’re not gonna get that on the campaign trail.

    Oprah is too touchy feel good, and would never want to see her image tarnished by running because instantly, she would become unpopular with 50% of the nation. Trumps image actually benefited because he was the in your face fire them all TV personality so the attacks on him during the campaign actually helped solidify his personality and expectations of a hard nose CEO.

    She cares too much about her image and brand which is supposed to be strong compassionate self-made woman. Trump and the conservative press would eat her alive and I doubt that is something she could handle or would want.

  359. CG says:

    Chris Matthews just asked Kamala Harris, with surprise in her voice, how she was able to grow up to not hate white people.

  360. Tgca says:


    I noticed that too Tina. I was like, did he just throw in the towel?

  361. CG says:

    Whether Oprah should be President or not (and I would lean heavily towards no), she is the most electable person in America. She is basically an exact combination of Obama and Trump.

  362. CG says:

    Surprise was in Chris Matthews voice that Kamala Harris did not grow up to hate white people.

  363. NYCmike says:

    If the last 2 nights have made anything clear, it is that “CG” prefers a leftist Democratic candidate to the Republican President to be seated in the Oval Office come Jan 20, 2021.

  364. Tgca says:

    Besides all the freebies for all, I think the worse things the Dems did tonight sent an awful message to middle America which includes GOP and Indys too.

    1. We wish to confiscate your guns by passing laws requiring you to turn them in
    2. We want to give illegal immigrants free healthcare but we won’t give you free healthcare.
    3. The police are the enemy of the people and racist.
    4. We don’t need borders and the US has an obligation to take in all that come here.

  365. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Impressions of the 2nd Democratic debate:

    1. Harris was excellent; she needed badly to have a good performance, and will also benefit from California this year being an early primary.
    2. Biden showed his age; but even when he was younger he made a lot of verbal gaffes. Now when he does so it will be viewed as a sign he is too old. It is possible his polling numbers will go down, and he does not have much of a lead right now. Still he could remain the front runner, he clearly appeared the more experienced and pragmatic candidate.
    3. Hickenlooper and Bennett performed well, but did not stand out. It is hard to do so with 10 people in a debate.
    4. Bulligieg was very good at times, but he got mauled on the police shooting issue. He may be viewed as not being ready for prime time. But he also was often very eloquent.
    5. Sanders came across as cranky and dogmatic. As with Biden, Sanders was showing his age. Believe many of his supporters may move to Warren (it might have been better for Warren that she was in the first debate, with mostly minor candidates).
    6. Gillibrand came across as obnoxious; constantly interrupting.
    7. Yang, Williamson and Swalwell were to various degrees off-the-wall. Williamson exceeded at it; She needs to be wearing love beads if her campaign is based on “harnessing love”.

    It is amazing how many trillions of dollars the candidates proposed to spend — its sort of the Venezuelan approach to socialism.

    I still see the possibly of a Biden-Harris ticket; if Biden survives his gaffes. Otherwise Harris or Warren are likely the front runners for the nomination.

    Assume we no longer will hear the argument the Democrats are absolutely certain to nominate Biden because he can beat Trump.

  366. NYCmike says:

    #380 -I am for ALL of the above!


  367. Tgca says:

    The ding bat author that is going to conquer Trump with love was a total joke and the biggest embarrassment of the evening. The audience did not even react to such a stoopid comment.

    …oh, and her 1st call when elected will be to New Zealand to tell them America is going to surpass them? Really?

  368. Tina says:

    Piglosi had a bad day. schumah cannot help her,

    Cocaine Mitchie had a great day and is sending more conservative justices coward.

    Hopefully, no repeat of Souter 2.0 Top it off, Mute 43 made him Chief Justice.

    And a further warning no more stealth justices.

  369. CG says:

    I would prefer a conservative in the Oval Office.

    None was on stage the last two nights and neither is Donald Trump.

    In fact, there is basically not a position that any of them took over the past two nights that Trump has not himself sort of taken in the past.

    So, if he really didn’t mean it then and we should ignore 95-99 percent of what Trump says, why not ignore what these Democrats say to?

    I won’t be voting for any of them or Trump. I will continue to pray that America will once again have a New Birth of Freedom one day.

  370. Tina says:

    Where is my green stuff? And how in the phuq did this loon make the stage?

    Marianne Williamson
    · May 5, 2012
    Magic is when you ask the universe to serve you; miracles are when you ask how you can best serve the universe.

  371. Tina says:

    Marianne Williamson
    · Mar 14, 2013
    We have 2 choices: follow a line of probability to environmental and/or war related destruction, or take a quantum leap into another reality

  372. Tgca says:

    381. SDC

    Mayor Butt reminded me of Rubio. Very practiced and articulate but he also has no real passion which at least Rubio has. He was Rubioed badly on the police issue and his lack of leadership in firing the police chief. He then just stared dumbfounded the 2nd time he was challenged on it and could not find any words. Just look at the look on his face. It was like, “that was not nice, now what do I say, you broke my concentration and I can’t remember my lines.”

  373. Tgca says:


    Because Trump has pretty much governed as a conservative and has 90% support of the GOP. I doubt the GOP would agree with you and give that support to the Dems, and I doubt the Dems would support any of the successes Trump has had the last 2 years.

    He has been the most successful and consistent GOP POTUS since Reagan.

  374. CG says:

    For one thing I am not giving support to Dems. I have never voted for a Democrat in my life and have no intention to vote for any of the 20 people on stage these past two nights (or the five others). So, don’t get that twisted.

    Next, Trump sucks. As a human, as a candidate, and as a President. The first part matters to me most. You can do as you wish.

  375. Tina says:

    I am giving support to the Democrats, like I did for Hillary in 2016.


  376. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Do need to point out that some of us noticed Biden might have age-related issues at the time others were stating Biden was absolutely going to be the Democratic nominee.

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    June 12, 2019 at 10:40 pm
    2. How low do Biden’s polling numbers need to go before those who believe that Biden’s nomination is inevitable “because he can beat Trump” reconsider their position.

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    June 12, 2019 at 3:00 am
    “Otherwise, Biden clearly was showing his age; Tucker Carlson referred to his speech as “meandering and rambling” which from what I saw was an accurate assessment. By contrast Trump comes across as forceful and mentally acute — he is a abrasive showman, who knows how to entertain a crowd.”

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    June 11, 2019 at 8:11 pm
    Just watched a Biden speech at a campaign rally in Iowa. Biden is not a good speaker, and clearly shows his age. Its sort of a grandpa rambling. Very unimpressed.

    Wes says:
    June 9, 2019 at 3:17 pm
    Of course it hasn’t started yet—at least in terms of voting—but Biden is still the person to beat. If Dems genuinely expected Biden to fail, one of the other candidates would be getting traction against him. No one has. It’s pretty clear the recent allegations were intended to undermine his support. That never happened.
    Biden is basically like Trump in 2016:
    He’s emerging as the frontrunner for the nomination early with others hoping his baggage will scuttle his hopes of being the nominee. They’ll still be hoping after he clinches the necessary delegates in 9-10 months.

    Wes says:
    June 9, 2019 at 1:52 pm
    People who think Dems are going to reject Biden are projecting what they want as a likely outcome. Dems aren’t worried about ideology. They want to win. That’s why Biden will be the nominee. None of the others—except maybe Mayor Pete—has the capacity to bring the industrial states back into the fold even with Trump’s unpopularity barring a Great Depression or Panic of 1893 situation.

  377. Tgca says:

    This is funny. In Miami, a 70% majority Latino community of which about half are Cuban exiles and descendants, and De Blasio quotes Che Guevera, murderer of Cubans during the Cuban Revolution.

  378. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lisab also questioned whether Biden was showing age-related issues.

  379. JeffP says:

    393…SDC…just watched clip….Grandpa Biden was rambling away in post debate questioning on live TV and then his wife Jill rescued him away from the cameras. WOW…he just needs to hangout with his family in what time he has left.

  380. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Mayor Butt reminded me of Rubio. Very practiced and articulate but he also has no real passion which at least Rubio has”

    This is what happens when your from some obscure city in Indiana. Rubio by contrast was from urban Florida, and was foam-party experienced.

  381. JeffP says:

    Obama talking heads all aligning behind Kamala tonight. Joe is toast. Wonder if he gets behind her too?

  382. JeffP says:

    Trumps nickname sleepy Joe will hit home with everyone of these debates.

    Nickname for Kamala?

  383. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am afraid we are about to see the demise of the name the “Biden Report”. For at least two months, most threads were headed by a poll that showed Biden in the lead.

  384. John says:

    After watching the second night of the Democratic debates I feel poorer. This is really depressing…tax increases for the middle class…money out of my wallet to pay for healthcare of illegals…penalized, punished and taxed for not adhering to some climate change proposal.

  385. Tgca says:


    Agreed. That’s what I thought last night. The Dems new motto to contrast Trump’s motto?

    Make America Poor Again!


  386. Tgca says:

    The headlines are brutal for Biden today. Kamala did quite the hit job.

    I agree that Kamala may have attraction with the coasts but she will struggle in the interior, south, and southwest areas of the US. She is an accomplished, attractive, smart, diverse woman but she tends to come across as too prosecutorial and accusing so I think that will hurt her with men, and her positions on reparation and guns will hurt her with whites everywhere. She does have her moments of warmth though when she is in a relaxed environment just interacting with people and not prosecuting a cause. This has nothing to do with unfair criticism of her being a strong woman, it has to do with the perception she is always trying to convict someone of something. That may work well for the court room because generally you’re dealing with guilty folks but it doesn’t bode well for dealing with people who are different than you in culture, race, economics, education that you need to attract to build a larger coalition. She always seems serious and never seems to have fun in her job. I don’t think I’ve ever seen her in a work situation where she is joking or laughing as oh see with other of her peers. Even Hillary tried humor every now and then with her colleagues.

  387. Bitterlaw says:

    Concert was fun. Mostly screaming middle aged women in the audience.

  388. Tgca says:


    Gaaaaaaaay post.

    You still think Tiffany and Debbie Gibson are still hot?

  389. dblaikie says:

    Well folks, I have been saying for the last few months that Uncle Joe was going to be a joke of a candidate. But some of the erudite folks advocated that he was going to be a great threat to Trump. What a joke! Camilla ripped him apart.

    Lets talk about her for a second. Trump is going to rip her apart. Why? Because he can be meaner than her, and belittle her positions with a smile. I can hardly wait to hear Trump’s nickname for her. Which by the way is the prize she gets for revealing the weakness of Uncle Joe — a nickname from Trump. In the Senate hearing with Kavanaugh and Bill Barr she came across as shrill and plain mean and at least with Barr uninformed. She would tackle anyone to get in front of a camera. How I hope and even pray for a Harris/Warren ticket or vice versa.

    With the last two nights of debate and the democratic debacle of the hesitancy to vote for a aid package for the border, after accusing the administration of running Concentration Camps. I have come to this conclusion: as of now the Democratic Party is divided and on the verge of embracing standard bearers who have no chance to win the Presidency.

  390. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Lindsey Graham tweet after last night’s Donkey debate:

    After tonight’s #DemocraticDebate…….that whole Trump 3rd term thing is looking better and better.

  391. Bitterlaw says:

    I would say they look good for their age. 48. Gibson is too thin but she always was skinny.

    Gay? I was surrounded by drunk MILFs. When you’re 51, women in their 40s look good.

    Wes to post “anybody over 25 is too old for an Alpha Male” in 3…2…1…

  392. jason says:

    I didn’t watch the debate, but everyone sucked.

  393. Wes says:

    Mikey has found his Senate candidate in NH:

    While Don Bolduc is a former General, William O’Brien was basically the NH version of Chris McDaniel. Shaheen would beat him decisively; hence why Mikey supports O’Brien over Bolduc.

  394. jason says:

    I rarely agree with Corey or Robbie. However, if they are registered as Republicans then they are Republicans. Pretty crappy ones, but still Republicans. You accept Trump as a Republican despite his many years on the other side.”

    Dang, I am glad I don’t have to accept either Trump or Amoral Scumbag as Republicans if that is the standard.

    As for Corey, crappy Republican works for me. So does severely deluded and psychologically damaged sanctimonious ass who thinks a socialist would be better than Trump.

  395. jason says:

    Yeah, Bitter, I did notice that comment where Corey says you guys always agree.

    Don’t worry, I have given you credit for the points.

  396. Bitterlaw says:

    Nooooooooooooooooooo! Damn you, Corey!

  397. mnw says:

    49/50 & -1 today.

    Tied with Zero on same date in 2011.

  398. mnw says:


    “Consumer Spending Increases in May, As Incomes Rise & Inflation Stays Low”

    Incomes up by .04%. Doo Dah, Doo Dah.

    Inflation (annual) falls from 1.6% to 1.5%– third monthly drop in a row. Doo-Dah, Doo Dah.

  399. DW says:

    “Free Healthcare for illegals.”

    I didn’t see the debate, but the Dems are already providing the Trump campaign golden general election quotes, in their race to out-communist each other to win the Dem nomination.

    I suppose the eventual primary winner can backtrack saying what was meant is we wish we could do this.

  400. mnw says:


    Trump has a big winner on illegal immigration, contrasted with the DEMs, imo.

    I will believe Biden is losing his grip on the nomination when & if his AA support in SC & the rest of the deep south starts to drop. POTUS DEM primaries down there are 50%+ AA, I’ve read.

    God knows Wes will correct me, if I’m mistaken.

  401. Phil says:

    Trump has bumps to overcome to win re-election but keeping the Republican base won’t be one of them. The Never Trumpers will always be Never Trumpers, but I see Trump winning slightly more Conservative votes this time. I believe Jason and SD are two who didn’t vote for Trump last time, but who have indicated they will vote for him this time around. Trump’s challenge will be winning indies which he won 45-42 last time.

  402. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL well yall can stick a fork in Biden. Big Joe hardest hit! Where y’at BJ? ?

    Big victory for the real progressives over fake progressives last night!


  403. Phil says:

    Harris was brilliant last night. I heard it on CNN and MSNBC this morning.


  404. John says:

    What Harris did last night, and I’m no Biden fan, was a cheap shot and a cavarlier character assassination.
    As I remember busing it was a total failure and most by the mid 70’s declared it so…even the majority of Democrats and some black leaders.
    It also, as I remember, triggered the ‘great white flight’ out of the cities.

  405. mnw says:


    jason voted for Trump. It’s his only redeeming quality.

    The Trump campaign (DT, Jr) has said Trump can win with just his base, as he did in ’16. The focus of their efforts is going to be increasing their base’s turnout– & NOT by persuading Philadelphia suburban housewives to change their minds.

  406. janz says:

    The aftertaste of the dem debates just becomes more sour with time. It’s hard to believe that a group of people claiming to want the best for this country could push so many horrible policies.

    Sanders’s state of Vermont, for instance, already had a failed go around with a single payer system back in 2011. It was estimated then that such a program would double the state budget, increase state taxes by 9 points and the payroll tax by over 11. With over 70% of people not supporting the program, it was withdrawn in 2015. And, yet Sanders is all in for Medicare for all as a national program in 2019!

  407. janz says:

    I was reading all the post debate comments on the Ann Althouse blog last night. Harris’s harshness did not come off well for her at all! However, no one @ Althouse seemed pleased by any of the candidate’s policy positions or personalities.

  408. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Not sure Jason voted for Trump.

    jason says:
    November 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm
    I am no longer a Republican. Next week I will change my registration to Indie.
    I will support Trump where I think he could do good for the country. SCOTUS, deregulation, energy, corporate taxes.
    I will oppose him on his nanny state ideas, trade, and foreign policy idiocies like doing away with Nafta and pulling out of NATO. Oh, and the wall (unless its a virtual wall based on technology, drones, and surveillance).

  409. Phil says:

    I could be wrong but pretty sure Jason said he didn’t vote for Trump.

  410. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason did not vote for Trump in 2016.

  411. NYCmike says:

    jason didn’t vote for Trump in 2016.
    jason didn’t receive any Hillary mugs either.

    In 2020, jason will vote for Trump, and also speak out against voting for the Democratic candidate.

    “CG” will do nothing to make sure the Democratic candidate loses. He thinks Trump is worse.

    He is a self-proclaimed “conservative Republican”.

  412. Phil says:

    What Mike just said

  413. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    2020 Maine Senate GE:
    Susan Collins (R-inc) 52% (+16)
    Sara Gideon (D) 36%

    @GravisMarketing 6/24 #MEsen

    10:03 AM – 28 Jun 2019

  414. mnw says:

    I was wrong about jason having voted for Trump, then. He has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    There are a lot of “pure” souls here, who are just too damn GOOD to vote for Trump. Saying “Hello Madame President” to Hillary? Pfft… no big deal to them.

  415. Wes says:

    Collins has lost a little ground because of Kavanaugh but appears to be in a good position for reelection.

  416. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I feel for people for whom Marianne Williamson is their first Wellness Weirdo Experience. One of the quintessential political experiences, I think across the spectrum, is agreeing with someone and then they say something like The Government Invented Sweet Potatoes To Enslave Us.

  417. Tgca says:

    Well folks, it’s that time of day.


  418. mnw says:


    Freshman DEM congressman McAdams looks like he will inspire at least 3 serious GOP opponents to the race in 2020. He beat Mia Love by 700 votes last time.

    CNN contributor Mia Love (wonder why she ended up at CNN? To bash Trump, ya think?) says that she is “considering” running again. Because… of course! Love is probably McAdams’ only hope in a POTUS GE year. (McAdams’ spokesperson says he’s ignoring electoral politics, in order to “concentrate on making conditions better for those detained” at the border.)

    If Love stays out, McAdams is in the same position as AL Sen. Jones, appx.

  419. NYCmike says:

    #433 – SDC,

    LOVE will Trump hate!

  420. dblaikie says:

    This just keeps on getting better and better! The “so-called” winner of the debate Camilla has already had to backtrack her position on healthcare. She now says she heard the question wrong about would you support doing away with private insurance and she enthusiastically raised her hand. Question seemed pretty plain to me, not much to confuse.

    These candidates are all a joke. I think that need to bring back Hillary.

  421. NYCmike says:

    Camilla’s story about being bused seemed genuine and was captivating television. Limbaugh also mentioned it by saying that the ability to tell a story was a great attribute for a politician.

    Of course, at HHR, that ability was ridiculed in the past……

  422. jason says:

    In fact, there is basically not a position that any of them took over the past two nights that Trump has not himself sort of taken in the past.”

    Sometimes Corey really says stupid things, no way to sugarcoat it.

    While it is true that Trump has taken a lot of liberal positions in the past, and I have called him on it, why would you want to ignore his actual record as President, after all its been 2 1/2 years.

    Yes, Trump is a protectionist and isolationist on trade, right out of the AFL-CIO playbook. His policies will have long term detrimental effect on important sectors of the economy. His decades old position as a tariff has not changed. He is also extremely naive on a lot of foreign policy issues, and his NATO statements are asinine.

    But he has governed as a conservative in MANY areas, and Corey is completely delude in denying that and trying to pretend his position on any of the following issues in even close to any of the Democrats running.

    Judicial appointments – has a great record of appointing conservative judges, and is in effect been successful in reversing the consequences of all the leftist activist judges appointed by Clinton and Obama.

    Taxes – what Democrat would have proposed the tax cuts? Let’s get real.

    Pro-business – Trump has helped the economy with a lot of pro-business initiatives, especially deregulation. All the Democrats on stage would certainly reintroduce a lot of these job killing/business killing regulations and more. Any doubts, really?

    Climate change – Trump has resisted killing our economy by spending trillions down the global warming rathole, and has instead stimulated energy independence, making the US a real powerhouse in energy production.

    Immigration – I don’t agree with a lot of Trump’s immigration rhetoric and I think a physical wall will never happen and his insistence on it is dumb. But there is no doubt he is trying to enforce border security and he opposes open borders and sanctuary cities. What democrat running for President is not for open borders?

    There are other things Trump is doing right.

    Corey is completely nuts if he thinks there is no difference between Trump and the committed socialists running against him.

  423. NYCmike says:

    “Corey is completely nuts”….

    -Is there really a need for the “if…….”?

  424. jason says:

    I was wrong about jason having voted for Trump, then. He has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever.”

    I did not vote for Trump. I didn’t think he was fit for the office, same as Hillary. It was not about issues, I was clear I preferred his positions on most of them.

    I was wrong on that. While I still disagree with him on many issues, he is definitely fit for the office, and he certainly better than any socialist.

    Maybe after 2020 mnw will think I have a redeeming quality.

    Until then, he can GFH.

  425. Bitterlaw says:

    Mia Love, who was loved at HHR, is now on the naughty list. Trump was vicious towards her. She owes him nothing. If she wants to criticize Trump, he brought it on himself.

  426. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    435. “If Love stays out, McAdams is in the same position as AL Sen. Jones, appx.”

    Have to respectfully disagree with you. Utah’s 4th district is a swing district. It is mostly Salt Lake County, and has some very liberal west side neighborhoods. As example, while Romney won the Utah senate race over Democrat Wilson in 2018 by 63%-31% statewide; in the 4th district he only won by 50%-45%. Mia Love only won the seat by about 51% in 2014. Previously it was held by a Democrat.

    It will be a very close election. Making it worse is McAdams was very popular as Salt Lake County mayor. I would consider a Republican victory for the seat in 2020 as an upset.

  427. mnw says:


    It’s a PRESIDENTIAL election this time. Think Trump won’t carry UT-04 in 2020?

  428. Wes says:

    The HHR Rule: Trump can humiliate defeated Republican Congressmen and -women in a press conference, but we all must love and adore him.

    Those same defeated Congressmen and -women can never criticize Trump even in the slightest without earning the dread appellation RINO.

    I hope that’s clear to everyone.

  429. Wes says:

    Mnw, I don’t think SDC is arguing Trump won’t carry UT-4. It’s voted GOP since its formation in 2012. I believe SDC is arguing because McAdams is a reasonably popular incumbent with a solid base in Salt Lake City in the least GOP district in the state, he won’t be as easy as you say to beat him.

    By the way, after UT-4 was formed, Congressman Mathewson moved there and beat Mia Love by ~670 votes even as Romney carried 2/3 of the vote in the district. Gary Herbert caused it to be drawn that way so Matheson would have a fairly friendly district and pass on challenging him.

  430. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    446. “It’s a PRESIDENTIAL election this time. Think Trump won’t carry UT-04 in 2020?”

    Trump carried all of 39% of the vote in the 4th in 2016. Clinton got 32% and McMullin 23%. Trump carried 45% of the Utah vote. Trump will carry Utah; whether he carried the 4th depends on how large the vote is for independent candidates, and who the Democratic nominee will be.

  431. Wes says:

    The irony is that most Republicans lost in 2018 because their districts revolted against Trump and took it out on local Republicans. Of course Trump was too much of a solipsist to realize his indispensable role in last year’s congressional results, making his public humiliation of his defeated party mates all the more ironic.

    As Tgca will tell you though, Trump is an infallible political god who has never made a mistake and is a lock to cruise to reelection next year.

    Not so much in reality.

  432. mnw says:

    Fellas, McAdams might win. I think he’s an incumbent who is an underdog.

    Mia Love scraped by for years, underperforming everybody. She had the reputation, rightly or wrongly, of being a lazy campaigner & a poor FR’er.

  433. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    448. To add to what Wes said, when congressional redistricting takes place it is probable that Utah will add a seat. It is very likely a seat will be formed which takes in most of Salt Lake County. It will be Utah’s Democratic seat; the remaining seats will be heavily Republican. Obama won Salt Lake County over McCain in 2008.

    Salt Lake City which is located in the north part of the county is very liberal. It currently has a lesbian mayor, and a former mayor was an ACLU attorney.

  434. mnw says:

    “his public humiliation of his defeated party mates”

    A tough sell that, in Hawley country. Also, how humiliated were the defeated GOP Senate nominees in FL; ND; & IN?

    You kind of tend to pick & choose, Wes. And you’re becoming a bit of a crank on Trump’s prospects.

  435. Wes says:

    Love won by 4 in 2014 and 12 in 2016. She ran double digits ahead of Trump in the latter year. She did have flaws as a candidate. Notice she took time off the campaign trail in 2012 to campaign for Romney when she should have stayed in her district.

    At the same time, UT-4 is an intentionally elastic district initially drawn to keep a Dem Congressman from running for Governor. It’s certainly far less Republican than the other districts. Indeed, if the suburban revolt against Trump continues next year it will likely be one place where this is apparent.

  436. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Mia Love scraped by for years, underperforming everybody.”

    Who did she underperform? The area the seat is located has been primarily represented by a Democrat for a long time. Matheson, a Democrat, represented most of what is now the 4th district for about 12 years. Enid Greene might have been the last Republican for much of the area.

  437. Wes says:

    Not really a tough sell for all the Republicans he spent a half hour calling out by name for losing last year. Maybe when Trump follows them into defeat next year the national GOP can spend a half hour dumping on him for trying to be a reality star rather than a competent President.

    It would be only appropriate since Trump can’t get out of his own way and spends more time obscuring and negating the strongest argument for his reelection—the economy—than highlighting it and reeling in new voters.

    By the way, Mnw, Republicans should be incredibly thankful the Class One seats were up last year. They gained only because Dems had so few offensive prospects. Had the Class 3 seats been up, Harley, Braun, Cramer, and Scott would have been a lot less likely to win. Thank God for small favors, I guess.

  438. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    454. “Notice she took time off the campaign trail in 2012 to campaign for Romney.”

    To his credit, Romney went door-to-door in Love’s district trying to help her win re-election in 2018.

  439. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Maybe when Trump follows them into defeat next year the national GOP.”

    By the way, how’s your prediction that it is inevitable that Biden will be the Democratic Party nominee coming along?

  440. Wes says:

    Actually, SDC, Merrill Cook was the Congressman Jim Matheson succeeded in 2001 in UT-2. Republicans recaptured that seat in 2012 when Matheson decided to run in UT-4.

  441. Wes says:

    Has Biden lost yet, SDC?

    It stands.

    If I’m wrong I’ll own it as I always do.

  442. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Republicans recaptured that seat in 2012 when Matheson decided to run in UT-4.”

    Cook has run for office as an independent many times; am not sure the Republicans want to claim him. He was a major loon. I heard some pretty strange stories.

  443. Wes says:

    That kind of snarky response works best after the opposite of a prediction happens. I would expect even a political weathervane who makes a cottage industry out of second guessing predictions of Trump’s defeat while staying mum on declarations of his inevitable political victory to know that.

  444. Phil says:

    Democratic nominee for President is a lock for the WH. Who could resist voting for the candidate supporting decriminalization of illegally entering the country and handing out tax funded free healthcare to those “immigrants without papers” from central America? It’s a no brainer. American voters will jump at that kind of platform.

    We can focus on Trump’s obvious weaknesses all we want. However, to discount the Democrat’s nutty agenda as an insignificant non factor in the GE is really missing something.

  445. Wes says:

    I’ve read up on Cook’s history. He was an embarrassment in Congress, but he ran as a Republican. Ironically Republicans forced him out to try to stave off Matheson—and ended up with Matheson for 14 years anyway.

  446. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    460. “Has Biden lost yet, SDC? It stands.
    If I’m wrong I’ll own it as I always do.”

    You might consider not being less absolute in your predictions. We are all making educated guesses. Your spot on quite often.

  447. Wes says:

    Dems have a downright scary agenda taken right out of Pravda, Phil. They’ve crossed over into being full-blown Che Guevara-style Marxists. That should frighten anyone with a modicum of political knowledge. If Trump could bridle his tongue and keep the focus on his own accomplishments and how loony the Dems are, he would actually be a solid frontrunner for reelection.

    He can’t and won’t, so we’ll get the results we get.

  448. dblaikie says:

    Yes, Wes, you do have the guts to own it. Unless some kind of miracle happens, Biden is gone. You only have to go to MSNBC or CNN for an hour or two to realize he is toast. I believed that months ago, just like you continue to believe that Trump has already lost. If I didn’t know you better through your posts you would want to backtrack on that. But I know you won’t. In fact I expect a well written post from you blasting me in a respectful way for not seeing the light.

    However, after the last two days, baring an unfortunate turn in the economy none of these candidates can stand up to Trump when he is in election mode. You talk eloquently about Trump’s missteps, well they are nothing compared with free health care for illegals, no private health insurance, and best of all embracing the cost of any version of the green new deal. In my view their best hope is to get Michelle Obama in there. She hasn’t embraced OAC yet (the greatest gift to the GOP in a generation).

    Wes I too, if I am wrong will own it, I will humbly send you that wine with my congratulations. However as time goes on and these dems drone on I feel a bottle of Highland Park is coming my way.

  449. Phil says:

    My point here, Wes, is based on last night’s debate. When asked last night who would support tax funded health care for illegals all ten hands went up. While Trump’s obviously unpresidential behavior leaves the door wide open for a Democratic victory, Democrats are keeping him in the ballgame with their radical ideas – open borders, end of the world hysterics on climate change, sky high taxes, gun confiscation (sorry, I mean “buybacks”, lol) unpaid for free everything, reparations, runaway political correctness, tax payer funded abortion on demand in the third trimester….etc. Both sides seem to be intent on blowing a sure thing. Of course Democrats can’t help themselves any more than Trump can. They actually believe their Marxist BS and would love to implement all of it if they can get away with it.

  450. jason says:

    Sanders Says All of His Proposals Are ‘Fully Paid For.’

    I have my check book out.

  451. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    469. “Sanders Says All of His Proposals Are ‘Fully Paid For.’ I have my check book out.”

    Its always fun to spend other people’s money.

    Sanders might have shined in 2016 as an alternative to Hillary Clinton. But he came across at the debate as a dogmatic old man. Like Biden, he appeared old and out of date. Last night the voters had a lot of socialist rhetoric tossed in their face. Hopefully there will be a backlash. The candidates were appealing to the left-wing of the Democratic Party, and they may have alienated the center.

  452. Wes says:

    Basically Trump is replicating the Bush 2004/ Obama 2012 strategies. Both saw the incumbent Presidents win re-election by reduced margins, suffer major setbacks in their second midterms, and have to return the White House four years later.

    Noteworthily Trump is less popular than Obama in 2011 at this time or Bush at this time in 2003. That indeed makes the strategy dubious.

    Of course a repeat of 2006/2008 or 2014/2016 in 2022/2024 is also something not to be desired.

    This is probably the most appalling Sophie’s Choice in history.

  453. Wes says:

    To clarify, while GWB won in 2004 by a bigger margin than in 2000, it was still one of the weakest successful showings for an incumbent President, being only slightly stronger than Woodrow Wilson’s 1916 re-election.

  454. Phil says:

    Dems nomination of someone like Kamala Harris keeps the door open for Trump in the rustbelt which is his only path to victory.

  455. Todd McCain says:

    I said repeatedly wait until Biden has to debate folks like Harris on his senate record. He is not going to be the dem nominee……I could easily see it be Harris and I think Trump wins that matchup.

  456. lisab says:

    As I remember busing it was a total failure and most by the mid 70’s declared it so…even the majority of Democrats and some black leaders.

    it was not a total failure, it was a failure in the beginning in certain places, notably boston

    in boston the city bussed poor students from one of the poor black schools in roxbury to

    an even poorer schools in irish south boston

    and the city leaders refused to send their own children in the public schools

  457. Waingro says:

    What poll is he referring to?

    “54% in Poll! I would be at 75% (with our great economy, maybe the best ever) if not for the Phony Witch Hunt and the Fake News Media!”

  458. lisab says:

    It also, as I remember, triggered the ‘great white flight’ out of the cities.

    no, it was not the trigger

    but was a factor. white flight began after ww2 when the highways and suburbs were developed

    but certainly busing exacerbated the problem by a large factor. boston eventually went to 35% white or so iirc

  459. lisab says:

    CG says:
    June 27, 2019 at 11:13 pm
    At no point did Jeb Bush ever lead national polls. Let’s be factual.

    Jeb Bush surges to lead GOP pack in new 2016 poll

    *** Jeb leads the GOP pack: A brand-new national NBC/WSJ poll finds Jeb Bush leading the crowded Republican presidential field, with 22% of GOP primary voters saying he’s their first choice. He’s followed by Scott Walker at 17%, Marco Rubio at 14%, and Ben Carson at 11%. While Jeb had a similar five-point lead in our April NBC/WSJ poll, you see his current position has strengthened when you look inside the numbers of this new poll.

  460. mnw says:


    “Stocks Rise to Close Out Dow’s Biggest June Gain Since 1938; S&P at Two Decades High”

  461. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Those who pontificate on the board do not show any evidence of infallibility.

  462. Tgca says:


    Who’s pontificating here? That’s totally inappropriate and disgusting!

  463. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    We all pontificate here. Some do so with divine certainty.

  464. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    My take away from yesterday’s debate. The Democrats want open borders, and they want to provide medical care to anyone who crosses the border into the U.S. Where will the money to pay for it come from if millions pour in who need expensive medical treatment?

  465. Phil says:

    Where will the money come from? Taxes on American citizens and especially the middle class. Where else?

  466. Phil says:

    Busing….I wondered what other crazy fringe ideas Democrats could add to.their list of nutty ideas. Now we know. It’s early. They have plenty of time to move even further left. Get the popcorn ready. It’s going to be quite a ride.

  467. Tina says:

    My goodness, Gaffe is going back to the treyon Martin days of 2012. Where are the skittles?

    Aaron Rupar
    · 7h
    Joe Biden: “We’ve got to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gangbanger.” ?

  468. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Last night Kamala Harris was crowned the winner of the debate. The next day she is sounding like Joe Biden:

    “She faced a similar situation in Thursday night’s Democratic presidential debate, when NBC’s Lester Holt noted that many Americans get their insurance through their employers. He then asked for the 10 candidates onstage to raise their hands if their health care plans would “abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan?” Harris and Sanders were the only ones who raised their hands.
    Harris and her campaign have been quick to clarify that. Harris said she thought the question was whether she’d be in favor of getting rid of her own private insurance plan and has insisted that supplemental private insurance would still be available under Medicare for All.”

  469. Phil says:

    Harris is a liar. She thought no such thing.

  470. lisab says:

    harris is now ahead of biden on predictit

    harris 22 cents
    biden 21 cents
    warren 19 cents
    sanders 14 cents
    buttigieg 13 cents

  471. lisab says:

    what this likely means is the other wannabees

    will start going after the leaders

    so they can get a bump in the polls like harris

    harris went from 5th to first

  472. lisab says:

    Busing….I wondered what other crazy fringe ideas Democrats could add to.their list of nutty ideas.

    well … for many reasons they want to force as many people as possible back to the cities

    gets rid of guns
    gets rid of cars
    makes public transportation viable
    desegregates schools
    raises taxes

  473. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Joe Scarborough in The Hill made a blistering attack on the debate:

    “MSNBC host Joe Scarborough called the second night of the first 2020 Democratic debates a “disaster for the Democratic Party” and said that he hopes voters were not watching the face-off, which aired on his network.
    “With apologies to our friends and watching, last night was a disaster for the Democratic Party,” Scarborough said Friday on “Morning Joe.” “My only hope is people were not watching and I will tell you why.”
    He went on to jab the candidates for criticizing each other instead of focusing their ire on President Trump.
    “So they’re lined up in trench warfare, ready to get out of the trenches and charge Donald Trump. Instead, they all turn their guns on each other and shoot each other, and everybody is yelling at each other all night,” Scarborough said Friday morning.
    “If you’re an American and this is your introduction to these candidates and the Democratic Party, and all you see are 12 people yelling at each other, trying to interrupt each other, insulting each other, you’re like, ‘You know what. I thought Donald Trump was a clown show. I’m changing the channel.’””

  474. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Ouch! But he still leads.

    “The percentage of Democrats who say they would vote for former Vice President Joe Biden if the presidential race were held tomorrow slipped by 10 points after the first primary debate.
    According to a Morning Consult/FiveThirtyEight poll of likely Democratic voters released on Friday, 41.5 percent said before the debates they would vote for Biden tomorrow, but 31.5 percent said the same thing after Thursday night’s debate.
    The apparent decline in support comes after Biden was widely seen as having faltered, including engaging in a stark exchange with Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) over school busing.
    Harris herself got a nearly 9 point bump, with 16.6 percent of Democrats saying they would support her after the debate, up from 7.9 percent before the even.”

  475. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Each candidate ranks as follows, with pre-debate numbers first, post-first debate, post-second debate:

    Biden: 41.5 / 35.4 / 31.5 (-10)
    Warren: 12.6 / 18 / 14.4 (+1.8)
    Sanders: 14.4 / 16.4 / 17.3 (+2.9)
    Buttigieg: 6.7 / 4.4 / 4.8 (-1.9)
    Harris: 7.9 / 6.3 / 16.6 (+8.7)

  476. jason says:

    Reparations supposedly are going to cost 17 trillion, just for AA’s, and then there are gay reparations too.

    So the idea of signing up 20 million illegals as new citizens to help pay for it makes sense.

    I think the Dems are on to something here, and it that is why Bernie said his plans are paid for.

  477. jason says:

    There are a lot of “pure” souls here, who are just too damn GOOD to vote for Trump.”

    This from someone who never saw a deadender he didn’t like.

    This from someone too GOOD to support a conservative that could actually win the GE for Governor in Kansas, instead supporting the “purebred” guaranteed to deliver the seat to a liberal Dem in a ruby red state.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  478. Tgca says:

    It’s a bee-yoo-tee-ful day folks.


  479. Tgca says:

    Here’s wishing you all

    500 MAGA!

  480. Tgca says:

    I am 100% gay
    I am 50% Latin
    I am 10% AA

    That means I should get 160% of the aggregate reparation distribution to individuals.

    I’m ok wit dat!

  481. jason says:

    Where will the money to pay for it come from if millions pour in who need expensive medical treatment?”

    It will water down the quality of care for everyone else, which already happened with Obamacare.

    In the end it will be like medical care in the Soviet Union, where doctors were 9/5 type government bureaucrats and only Communist Party members (7%) got differentiated care.

  482. jason says:

    Good match starting Italy vs. Netherlands, winner makes it to the Women’s World Cup Semis.

  483. jason says:

    At no point did Jeb Bush ever lead national polls. Let’s be factual.

    Jeb Bush surges to lead GOP pack in new 2016 poll”

    He led in many polls, both national and NH.

    Corey lives in an alternate universe where Jeb, who was the clear front runner with all the endorsements, money, resources, organization, name, etc spectacularly disintegrated due to the fact he was horribly unprepared and could not offer one cogent reason why anyone should vote for him, got trashed in all the debates with atrocious demeanor and body language, and wasted all his political capital talking about illegal immigration as an act of love, saying he would “respect conservatives”, and endorsing the Democrat’s plan to transform education into an ideological weapon against conservatives.

    I guess he feels guilty for supporting Jeb when it was obvious he could never win the nomination or the GE while trashing the candidates that could have used all those resources to challenge Trump.

  484. jason says:

    I am 100% gay”

    50% Latin”

    You are ideologically impure, will not qualify.

    Una lástima.

  485. dblaikie says:

    Corey and his ilk (Scottish term not meant to be offensive) can’t seem to move beyond the 2016 election. Jason is simply presenting the facts which go to prove that Jeb Bush was terrible candidate. Time to move on.

  486. dblaikie says:

    I think the big news of week, besides the dems revealing themselves to be a socialist party, is that Trump and Xi have made some progress. Trump announcing that there will be no more tariffs while talks continue is important news. Stock market should love that on Monday.

    If somehow, someway China and America reach an accord on trade then that would be huge. They were close when China blinked. Hopefully neither they or us will blink if a deal can be found that would be a step forward for both countries.

  487. jason says:

    How is this to screw up your life.

    Two 15 year olds tried to rob a woman in Cincinnati at gun point, but she had her own gun and shot at them, killing one.

    The surviving teen was charged with murder because under Ohio law if someone dies while you are committing a crime you can be charged with murder no matter who dies. Also you can be tried as an adult for murder in Ohio at 15.

    The woman was not charged with anything.

  488. Bitterlaw says:

    If only those boys had llamas. The llama is a civilizing influence.

    Most states have that law. I love the Felony Murder law! It is often used against the get away driver in robberies gone bad.

  489. Tgca says:


    Racist post! Excessive force by a privileged white woman I assume who did not want to share her belongings. Selfish b*tch!

    That teen could have been my son.

  490. jason says:

    AOC and Corey hardest hit:

    “Obama Built The ‘Cages’ for Illegals, Not Trump, Says Obama ICE Chief

    It was only a few months ago that Democrats were dismissing the crisis at the border as manufactured by Trump, and now they’re comparing migrant detention centers to concentration camps and blaming Trump for “putting kids in cages.”

    But for those still trying to blame President Trump, Barack Obama’s former ICE chief, Thomas Homan, has a reality check for them. Speaking at a conference hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies, Homan explained that the “cages” Democrats are blaming on Trump were the product of the Obama administration:

    “I’ve been to that facility, where they talk about cages. That facility was built under President Obama under (Homeland Security) Secretary Jeh Johnson. I was there because I was there when it was built,” said Thomas Homan, who was Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for nearly four years.

    At an immigration conference today, Homan, under consideration for a new position of “border czar” in the Trump administration, grew visibly angry answering a question about “cages” often cited by Democratic critics of the president.

    Homan, who ran Obama’s successful deportation operation, ripped Democrats who question Trump immigration officials on the Obama-era idea.

    He cited one Democratic chairman who asked a Trump official, “You still keeping kids in cages?”

    Homan, at the conference hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies, said, “I would answer the question, ‘The kids are being housed in the same facility built under the Obama administration.’ If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”

  491. jason says:

    “They were close when China blinked.”

    Wishful thinking, China did not “blink”.

    To the contrary, they correctly assessed that Trump’s leverage was weakened, and you can be sure any agreement is not going to be as good for the US as the one they rejected.

  492. jason says:

    Size of LGBT community vastly overestimated according to Gallup.

    We see it here at HHR too, where Tgca’s influence is vastly overestimated.

    Here at HHR, respondents think sugar addicts comprise 60% of the blog, but it’s only like 2%.

    “U.S. adults estimate that nearly one in four Americans (23.6%) are gay or lesbian. Gallup has previously found that Americans have greatly overestimated the U.S. gay population, recording similar average estimates of 24.6% in 2011 and 23.2% in 2015,” the group reports.

    That estimate is “more than five times Gallup’s more encompassing 2017 estimate that 4.5% of Americans are LGBT, based on respondents’ self-identification as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender,” Gallup explains. When the estimates are broken down by demographics, even the most conservative estimates still remain about four times higher than the 4.5% estimated actual number.”

  493. NYCmike says:

    ““So they’re lined up in trench warfare, ready to get out of the trenches and charge Donald Trump.”

    -Joe Scarborough? Or “CG”?

  494. NYCmike says:

    “To the contrary, they correctly assessed that Trump’s leverage was weakened, and you can be sure any agreement is not going to be as good for the US as the one they rejected.”

    -I would like to see the details of any agreement which was rejected, BEFORE making any statements like this.

    We KNOW the rejected agreement was NOT a FREE TRADE agreement. Companies from the United States have many more hurdles to jump over to sell in China vs Chinese (government) companies selling in the United States.

  495. Tina says:

    Kids in cages wrapped in Reynolds Wrap by the Obumbler.

    Amoral Scumbag said nothing at the time,.

    Here is a picture and Obumbler Dhs Secretary is present

  496. jason says:

    We never “rejected” the trade deal,

    It was China, after 5 months of negotiations that rejected it.”


    China rejected it, so they did not “blink”.

    When the US accepts an agreement, or if it does, it will be worse than the one that China rejected.

    Of course, the AFL-CIO conservatives won’t admit it will be the US that “blinks”.

  497. jason says:

    We KNOW the rejected agreement was NOT a FREE TRADE agreement.”

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  498. Wes says:

    Good news for Trump:

    He’s at 44% in the RCP average for the first time since 12-16. If he were to continue his upward progress he would be in a strong position for reelection than now.

    It’ll be interesting to see if this holds.

  499. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – If Trump held a press conference and declared “I blinked in Trade negotiations with China.” Yin’s would call it fake new and say the IS did not blink.

  500. jason says:

    ompanies from the United States have many more hurdles to jump over to sell in China vs Chinese (government) companies selling in the United States.”


    Let’s do away with international trade!

  501. jason says:

    Jason – If Trump held a press conference and declared “I blinked in Trade negotiations with China.” Yin’s would call it fake new and say the IS did not blink.”

    And NYC would immediately post that while he is generally against blinking, in this case he thinks Trump was absolutely right to blink.

  502. mnw says:

    516 517 Tina is absolutely right.

    Futures are up this morning on news that trade talks will resume.

    Tariffs not withstanding, there is a strong case to be made that American workers have NEVER had it better than they do right now. Not in 1966; not in 1949; not in 1916. NEVER.

    You can cherry pick the data if you like, as jason sometimes has done in the past, e.g.., “consumer confidence is falling.”* The financial press branch of the msm does that all the time. But by most measures, things have never been better economically.

    *the consumer confidence baseline is 100. Last time I looked, it was about 123, & that’s AFTER “consumer confidence is falling,” not BEFORE. That means consumer confidence is still in positive territory. To hit NEGATIVE territory, it would need to fall another 18.5%.

  503. jason says:

    Remember, Amoral Scumbag used to swear if Trump ever got to 45% he would be a shoo-in for reelection.

    Goal posts to move in 3, 2, 1…

    That is why he is Amoral Scumbag.

  504. jason says:

    he consumer confidence baseline is 100. Last time I looked, it was about 123, & that’s AFTER “consumer confidence is falling,” not BEFORE. That means consumer confidence is still in positive territory. To hit NEGATIVE territory, it would need to fall another 18.5%.”

    LOL, I love the “how to lie with statistics” approach.

    So mnw, at the end of all the drivel, actually admits consumer confidence fell.

    However, it is still “higher than it used to be”.


  505. mnw says:

    You know what? I don’t give a rats adz WHO blinks, as long as we get an end to 1) Chinese theft of IP & 2) forced technology transfers. Those are the most toxic features of China’s predatory trade policy.

    And that’s what jason is pleased to call, “free trade.”

  506. jason says:

    Futures are up this morning on news that trade talks will resume.”

    No kidding, mnw thinks it’s great news that the market wants an end to trade wars.

  507. Tina says:

    I am sure consumer confidence will rebound.

    Gasoline has dropped.

    Mortgage rates are at a 3 year low.

    And the fed will likely cut soon.

  508. jason says:

    And that’s what jason is pleased to call, “free trade.”

    That is, of course, a lie.

    But of course, I would never expect a protectionist isolationist tariff loving AFL-CIO conservative to actually know what free trade is.

  509. mnw says:

    I’ll leave it to fellow posters to decide which of us “lies with statistics,” big boy. (And which of us is economically illiterate too)

    Did jason invent that LOL, thing? It’s so fresh & original. /s

  510. jason says:

    I hope it does rebound. A rate cut would be great. Lower gas prices help.

    Trade wars are stupid and nobody wins them.

    All can be true.

  511. mnw says:

    529 Tina

    Gasoline is up noticeably of late, because of Iran tensions, but the other 3 points you make are dead on correct.

  512. jason says:

    “nd which of us is economically illiterate too”


    So trade wars and tariffs, shown over the course of history not to work, are “economically literate”?

    I get it.

  513. Tina says:

    Mnw, I think, gasoline is rising a. Bit on the east coast due to a refinery being down,

    In my area, they got over $4 about seven weeks ago. The price now is 3.55.

    Gasoline is generally low relative to the summer season,

    I also note that homes paused the first few months of the year, but have rebounded. I blame it in part to the amount of rain we got.

  514. jason says:

    I always thought it was stupid to blame the price of gas on the President, whether it be Obama or Trump.

    Yes, President’s can have long term influence on energy prices, such as Obama’s war on domestic energy, or short term, such as Trump’s sabre rattling with Iran.

    But the fact is gas prices fluctuate as a function of a lot of supply and demand, weather, and seasonal factors that are independent of who is in the WH.

  515. NYCmike says:

    ” I blame it in part to the amount of rain we got.”


  516. dblaikie says:

    I believe the rise in gas has more to do with the fourth of july holiday.

  517. NYCmike says:

    “Putin said Russian authorities had a “relaxed and unprejudiced” attitude towards LGBT people, but decisions about gender identity could only be made by adults and therefore minors need to be “left alone”.”

    -“CG” will really dislike Putin now…..he thinks gender identity issues should be made by adults instead of 3 year olds.

  518. NYCmike says:

    “I believe the rise in gas has more to do with the fourth of july holiday.”

    -I thought it was because of this:

  519. Tgca says:

    One can learn anything at any age I realized.

    Today I learned it’s not so easy to mow the lawn with only one arm even if you have a self-propelled mower.

    I found a lil bunny nest in the yard too with about 4 lil babies scattering about. So cute. I wonder if they taste good too….*GASP*…just kidding.

  520. dblaikie says:

    This article in Politico cracks me up. It makes a big deal of Camilla de Shrill (not bad) raising over 2 million dollars after the debate. They didn’t make that big a deal over Donald Trump raising over 24 million dollars after his kick off. But I guess 10 million in deplorable money is worth 1 million of righteous dem. money.

  521. Bitterlaw says:

    American workers have NEVER had it better?

    Is that why both parents need to work in many (not all) families. Dad’s job at a steel mill or coal mine used to support a family of 8 or 10. There are many factors and many women rightly choose to work outside the home. Many people never get married. Still, a blanket statement that this is the best time in history to be a worker seems a bit much.

  522. NYCmike says:


    When I was a child, we had 1 car.
    When I was a child, we practically fought each other to get a second helping at the dinner table.
    When I was a child, we went to the beach locally for vacation.
    When I was a child, hand-me-down clothing was normal.
    When I was a child, going out to eat was a RARE occurrence. I still remember the first time we went out to a proper restaurant as a family.
    When I was a child, special events were held in the house, not in a catering hall.
    When I was a child, it was normal for families to live in the same house together. Not as much of that anymore, except in newly immigrated families…..and they will save enough within 10 years to “fix” that issue.

    The amount of money wasted by parents, including myself and my wife, is ridiculous, if we wanted to take a look at it…….

  523. NYCmike says:

    That said, unless one is willing to look at how they live their life, such a blanket statement does seem a bit much.

  524. jason says:

    American workers have NEVER had it better?”

    I noticed that too.

    mnw will soon be claiming Trumps walks on water and discovered the cure for cancer.

    When he does, Amoral Scumbag will be here to say walking on water scares little baby fish and curing cancer will cause more global warming.

  525. NYCmike says:

    On the other hand, I can say that people who have a CDL have NOT had it better than the current situation. They are able to get work any day of the week, then jump to another company the next week, until they get something they really like, and at pretty good levels of pay.

    Depending on certain factors, mnw is right. The job market is fantastic for those WANTING work.

    There is a reason why illegal immigrants are coming to our southern border at a record pace.

  526. jason says:

    “They are able to get work any day of the week, then jump to another company the next week, until they get something they really like, and at pretty good levels of pay.”

    Not to worry, let’s have some trade wars to see what we can do about that.

  527. jason says:

    I wonder if they taste good too”

    Rabbit is delicious, especially in mustard sauce. Or you can make a sauce with wine and the gizzards. d

    However, if you are going to cook wild rabbit, you will need a lot of bacon, the meat is very lean.

    I don’t hunt rabbits, but if I see my dog kill one, it won’t go to waste.

  528. NYCmike says:

    “Not to worry, let’s have some trade wars to see what we can do about that.”

    -It’s been over a year….as I have done before, just 1 story…..big customer we have was based in Hong Kong, now based in Turkey and Portugal.

    There are many more options around the world, thanks mainly to the rest of the world being pushed by the United States to open up their markets for the last 80 years or more. We helped China in tremendous ways, and they decided to act like commies usually act – like they don’t have to answer to anyone except their own screwed up ideology.

    Maybe, just maybe, tariffs being implemented against China won’t hurt as much since manufacturers have many more options compared to what they had in the past, and on top of that, they can go to countries which may actually appreciate letting them keep private their organizational secrets.

    We shall see.

  529. dblaikie says:

    544 Every generation has both its pluses and minuses. For instance the post world war two boom, propelled by the GI bill was a great time for millions of Americans, except those who were the victims of Jim Crow. Dickens sort of nails in Tale of Two Cities, “It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.” Today we live in the midst of a good economy, but also a culture that devalues life.

    In fact in philosophical way this is my argument with climate change. I have no doubt that the climate is changing and no real problem that pouring carbon into the atmosphere by the ton my have an effect. But the truth is that when the climate warms bad things can happen but also good things. For instance a warmer earth would greatly increase the amount of arable land – particularly in North America and Asia. It seems to me that classic propaganda is to scare people by only telling them about the bad.

    You see we don’t live in a black and white world, it is far more complicated.

  530. NYCmike says:

    “You see we don’t live in a black and white world, it is far more complicated.”

    -You will never be an A-Hole!

  531. jason says:

    ow based in Turkey and Portugal.”

    Are you really that stupid?

    Portugal is an EU country half the size of Florida with high labor and energy costs and regulations with a population of 10 million people and very little industrial infrastructure and natural resources.

    You really think they are an “alternative” to China which has an available labor force of 800 million, a huge industrial infrastructure and many natural resources.

    Whenever I think you can’t say something dumber you surprise me. Amazing.

  532. jason says:

    Maybe, just maybe, tariffs being implemented against China won’t hurt as much ”

    This is so far in lala land that it’s hard to respond.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Forty-five U.S. trade associations representing some of the largest companies in the country are urging President Donald Trump not to impose tariffs on China, warning it would be “particularly harmful” to the U.S. economy and consumers.

    Trade associations publicly pushing back include the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Retail Federation and the Information Technology Industry Council. ”

    Not to mention all the farming groups.

    “Every sector of the U.S. economy stands to lose in a trade war,” Matthew Shay, who heads the National Retail Federation, said in the statement. “The stakes couldn’t be higher for American families, businesses, farmers and workers threatened by job losses and higher prices as a result of tit-for-tat tariffs.”

    But hey, tell him Portugal will be the new China.

  533. jason says:

    I also note that Turkey, who NYC attacks often here, because supposedly it is not our NATO ally but an America hating enemy, is now his new friend when it comes to foreign trade.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  534. lisab says:

    reddit quarantined the trump section

    you can burn a flag, but not support trump on social media

  535. NYCmike says:

    Fact: a company which used to do manufacture in Hong Kong is now basing it out of Turkey and Portugal. **jason, somehow, disputes that.**

    Fact: This same company just signed contracts to continue the work they were doing for countries in United States.**jason, somehow, disputes that.**

    Fact: NATO was not mentioned in my comment.**jason, somehow, thinks it is relevant to this discussion.**

    Fact: jason is an A-hole.**Nobody, I mean, really N-O-B-O-D-Y, disputes that!**

  536. NYCmike says:

    Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand called – they are asking for jason…….

  537. NYCmike says:

    jason, Korea and Japan are on hold……

  538. lisab says:

    there is no question that china is bleeding business

    but that was going to happen anyway

    the tarriffs just accelerated movement to other countries

    it is interesting to see how little prices ave gone up due to the tarriffs,

    to some extent china is eating the cost, and a lot of business is being redirected to other countries

  539. lisab says:

    in any case …

    the dems are really showing their weakness for 2020 at the moment

    biden is looking old and the left is taking shots at him. being obama’s vp is not going to help him much with black voters now that harris has skewed him.

    harris would probably lose the midwest to trump

    warren is the one dem that would get me to vote for trump, if she is on the ticket.

    buttigieg has messed up at his job receently

    beto and booker got attention, but not all of it was positive attention

    that pretty much leaves sanders

    sanders vs trump? the gop probably likes that matchup.

  540. Bitterlaw says:

    She might be related to a Red Sox player? Damn. She was one of the Royals I liked. Oh well.

  541. Tgca says:


    You are absolutely evil!

    I will make you a vegan rabbit stew and you will never eat real cute lil bunnies again.

  542. Wes says:

    Eating a diet primarily composed of rabbit leads to so-called “rabbit starvation.”

    Honestly I’d rather suffer that affliction than adopt Tgca’s retch-inducing food preferences.

  543. Tina says:

    Confusing why the fed jacked up,rates, given the low rate of inflation.

    “is interesting to see how little prices ave gone up due to the Tariffs,

    to some extent china is eating the cost, and a lot of business is being redirected to other countries”

  544. lisab says:

    well, in fairness under obama the rates often approached 0 percent

    which gives the fed no ability to help the economy.

    raising rates back up to a reasonable level during good times makes some sense

  545. lisab says:

    nt btw