Dems Leads Trump, Collins Still Cruising in ME

Gravis Marketing has released a new poll for the state of Maine showing Democrats ahead in the Presidential race while Susan Collins remains the lone New England Republican standing and in position to be re-elected.

Joe Biden (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Kamala Harris (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 49%

Susan Collins (R-inc) 52%
Sara Gideon (D) 36%

This poll was done June 24th among 767 registered voters. If you remember, Trump did win a lone electoral vote in Maine last time around, but this poll did not break it down to that level at this time.

Posted by Dave at 6:21 pm
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190 Responses to “Dems Leads Trump, Collins Still Cruising in ME”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By comparison, here are the final 2016 results:

    49% Clinton
    45% Trump
    5% Johnson

    Trump carried one of the 4 electoral votes, easily carrying the 2nd District. Likely will do so again in 2020.

  2. mnw says:


    I didn’t like Trump punching down again, this time at Carter. So many things are going good right now, why get down in the sandbox?

    People at other sites (Trump “echo chambers,” as BL would call them) don’t want to hear that AT ALL. But self-described moderates always start by criticizing his “lack of civility.”

    I find this site, dominated by purist libertarians, & the red hot Trump sites to be equally frustrating.

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    3. Are these the comments you referred to?

    “Trump addressed the comments made by Carter during a news conference Saturday following the G-20 summit in Japan, saying that although Carter is “a nice man, he was a terrible president,” before noting that “he’s a Democrat and it’s a typical talking point.”

    He added that Carter is “loyal to the Democrats” but “as everybody now understands, I won not because of Russia, not because of anybody but myself.””

    They seem pretty mello comments. By contrast I found what Carter said offensive. Trump had a right to respond. Also, believe there is almost a consensus that Carter was indeed a terrible president.

  4. Tina says:

    Transcript of the carter question asked by a reporter :

    Q Thank you, Mr. President. Yesterday, former President Jimmy Carter suggested that your presidency is illegitimate and that you only got the White House with help from Russia. Your reaction to that, sir?

    THE PRESIDENT: Russia. Russia. Russia. Isn’t it crazy?

    Okay, Jimmy Carter — look, he was a nice man. He was a terrible President. He’s a Democrat. And it’s a typical talking point. He’s loyal to the Democrats, and I guess you should be.

    But as everybody now understands, I won not because of Russia, not because of anybody but myself. I went out — I campaigned better, smarter, harder than Hillary Clinton. I went to Wisconsin. I went to Michigan the night of the vote. I had 32,000 people at 1 o’clock in the morning on Election Day. I won Michigan. I won Wisconsin. I won Pennsylvania. I won states that traditionally haven’t been won by a Republican. For many years haven’t been won by a Republican.

    And this had nothing to do with anybody but the fact that I worked harder and much smarter than Hillary Clinton did.

    Now, I’ll say this: Jimmy Carter — I was surprised that he would make a statement. I saw it. It was not a big thing but I saw the statement. And it’s — you know, a lot of Democrats like to make that statement.

    He’s been trashed within his own Party. He’s been badly trashed. I felt badly for him because if you look over the years, his Party has virtually — he’s like the forgotten President. And I understand why they say that. He was not a good President. Look at what happened with Iran. That was a disaster. What Iran did to him — they tied him up in knots. The reason Ronald Reagan probably because President. So, you know, it’s a democrat talking point.

  5. Phil says:

    Nothing at all wrong with Trump’s response. Everything he said was factual. Carter is the one who looks out of step here. Trump called Carter a terrible president. That’s tough for Democrats and their stooges in the media to refute…..and the former president took the first shot. Trump didn’t overreact and cede the high ground on this one.

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    Who are the self-described moderates? I am a conservative who thinks Trump is scum but accept that is better than Hillary would have been.

  7. lisab says:

    if the dems lose in 2020, i think they will go full leftist

    but if trump loses, they gop will also shift left, quite a bit, and become a center-left party

  8. mnw says:


    Why did he say any damn thing at all? The thing that’s “wrong with Trump’s response” is… that he responded at all.

    He’s missing an opportunity to contrast himself as “President of the United States, taking care of the nation’s important business abroad” with those 10 squabbling midgets!

    Doesn’t anyone since the opportunity there? Is he going to talk about how Miss Venezuela is too fat again, too? Or tear into Bette Midler again?

  9. mnw says:


    “Center left” still won’t win a GOP primary.

  10. Phil says:

    Because In this case he was actually asked about it directly by a reporter. Wasn’t like he responded out of the blue on Twitter. Had he done that I would agree with you.

  11. lisab says:

    “Center left” still won’t win a GOP primary.

    not sure about that. until trump entered the race


    was the frontrunner.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    but if trump loses, they gop will also shift left, quite a bit, and become a center-left party

    Why? There is no ideological Trumpism. Trump was to the left of most of the 2016 GOP candidates.

  13. lisab says:

    think about it … if say harris/warren win in 2020

    the country will have open borders. we will add 100 million people from all over the world, almost all of them poor and dependent on foodstamps etc. and all will be able to vote.

    the gop will have to swing left to have any hope to survive.

    the dems will have succeeded in destroying the christian right

  14. mnw says:

    Bejaysus!!! And I thought I was gloomy, lisab!

  15. mnw says:

    “I respect President Carter for his charitable & philanthropic work, & I have no further comment. The Mueller Report put that issue to rest.”

  16. lisab says:

    i am not gloomy

    as a government employee, i stand to do very well in such a system.

    the people who should worry are white middle-class men, particularly those who are not very skilled.

  17. Tina says:


    “Why? There is no ideological Trumpism. Trump was to the left of most of the 2016 GOP candidates.”

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    the dems will have succeeded in destroying the christian right

    And lisab will applaud them for doing it.

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    Laugh all you want, Tina. Trump was to the left of Rubio, Cruz, Christie, Walker, Jindal and…I have to look up the rest to remember who else ran.

  20. Tina says:


    “Laugh all you want, Tina. Trump was to the left of Rubio, Cruz, Christie, Walker, Jindal and…I have to look up the rest to remember who else ran.”

  21. lisab says:

    the dems will have succeeded in destroying the christian right

    And lisab will applaud them for doing it.

    if the result was ONLY that the christian right could not impose their beliefs on me through law

    then i might …

    but unfortunately the leftists are not very liberal, and seem determined to impose their beliefs on me through law even more than the christian right

    which is why i am no longer a democrat,

    the democrats beliefs are scary …

    they banned trump supporters from the social media site reddit, and have largely done so from youtube, facebook and digg

    i like freedom of expression

  22. lisab says:

    well … walker was probably to the right of trump

  23. lisab says:

    and cruz

  24. lisab says:

    the only way rubio would be to the right of trump would be if they were spooning

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    No substantive response from Tina? She is probably trying to find a twitter post from somebody else as a response.

  26. Tina says:

    Keep digging,

    No substantive response from Tina? She is probably trying to find a twitter post from somebody else as a response.

  27. Bitterlaw says:

    Another non-substantive response. Thank you for proving my point, Tina.

    You’re still one of my favorite posters.

  28. Tina says:

    You are still my favorite attorney, Bl.

  29. lisab says:

    You are still my favorite attorney,

    lol, that is just mean

  30. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A substantial percentage of working and middle class Americans are tired of their values, religion, and ethics being under constant attack from the radical left. Establishment Republicans are often afraid to challenge the leftist attacks, because they don’t want to appear politically incorrect in the liberal press or social media. Politicians like Romney and Flake melt like butter in response to liberal adulation.

    Trump by contrast has no problem taken on the left; and hits back at them and has amazingly often prevailed. He stopped Obama’s attempt to move the nation in a socialist direction dead in its tracks. Yes, he is often a wild man, and says dumb things. But as President Lincoln said about General Grant: ” I can’t spare this man – he fights.”

  31. Hugh says:

    Bitter. You may be right that trump was to the left of Rubio etc. but we have a history of so called conservatives placating the media. George w being about the worst and his dad slightly better. For whatever reason trump fights very hard regardless of his past politics for the right. I find him to be an assss clown but he fights very hard for my beliefs. I wish he was not such a jerk. Howeve, I do not believe that he has done the traditional political bait and switch. He embarrasses me a lot but I do not think he will sell me out like George W did so often. He had a gift for horrible appointments. Let’s start with Lois Lerner. He maybe immoral but he defends my social views way better than the George w and h. Maybe because they wanted to please the media. And what did it get them and me

  32. Hugh says:

    Sdc. I’m aligned. We must have been typing at the same time.

  33. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    33. Good grief Hugh. Our comments are pretty close to being the same. Lisab had very similar comments as well.

    I begin typing my comments earlier, but my cable service went out for a couple of minutes, so had to retype.

  34. lisab says:

    there is a HUGE difference between what the gop candidates say

    and what they actually do

    ryan was the ultimate gop candidate …

    i wonder who he is playing barbies with today?

  35. Hunter says:

    #14 If what you say comes to pass, then there will no longer be a United States of America.


  36. lisab says:

    sure there will

    it will just be more like germany today

    without the good beer

  37. mnw says:

    29 Tina

    What am I? CHOPPED LIVER?

    Trump & Kim Jong Un WILL MEET at the DMZ. VERY nicely done!!!

    (Now, stop talking about Bette Midler & that senile old jerk in GA)

  38. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    35. “ryan was the ultimate gop candidate … i wonder who he is playing barbies with today?

    Joe Biden, who is doing all the talking while Ryan just stares.

  39. Hunter says:

    #37 True if you mean East German and West Germany. The left is certain to overreach if they win in 2020 and the response will not be political I’m afraid.


  40. lisab says:

    if ryan was on naked and afraid he would quit on day one

  41. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh/SDC – Trump is an opportunist who likes to fight. If the MSM started attacking him from the right instead of the left, he would make AOC and Sanders seem like conservatives. If Maddow said the sun rose in the East he would call it fake news. I firmly believe that if Hillary had not declared that she was running in 2016, Trump would have run as a Democrat.

    To be fair, I like his judicial picks. The economy is in good shape. However, tariffs are not conservative. He supports the military. He is better than Hillary and the Dems running for 2020. That does mean I have to bow to him or kiss his ass.

  42. lisab says:

    The left is certain to overreach if they win in 2020 and the response will not be political I’m afraid.

    it won’t be overreach

    they will make sure there will only be dem presidents for decades

    if you have 100 million poor citizens dependent on foodstamps. you own their vote

  43. Bitterlaw says:

    I saw a British dating show called Naked Attraction. The contestant has to choose one of six people for a date. The difference from other shows is that the six people are naked. They show everything – men and women.2 observations – the shaving and waxing industry in the UK works overtime to eliminate hair AND lisab would not like almost all of the guys.

  44. Hunter says:

    #43 Call it what you will. Fact remains that such actions by the left will be met with a new kind of response. And it won’t be pretty, I’m afraid.


  45. lisab says:

    AND lisab would not like almost all of the guys.


    and you know that because …

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    Let,s just say their parts are not Jewish or like many Americans.

  47. mnw says:

    Morning Consult/538 poll:

    1) Biden drops 10 points after the last debate.

    2) Harris doubles from 8% to 16+%.

  48. lisab says:

    Let,s just say their parts are not Jewish or like many Americans.


    and you know that because …

  49. lisab says:

    i’m watching blue lagoon the awakening

    two older teens, both 18, get stranded on a deserted island in the carribean, without any tools at all

    and immediately start a romance, including presumably unprotected sex

    obviously the producers never saw naked and afraid

    the reality would be more like … i’m stahving and these damn mosquitos are everywhere

  50. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Oh by the way, if any of you wonder where the California tech money is going in the presidential race? Keep in mind that Kamala Harris’s attorney husband’s law firm represents Microsoft, Apple, Verizon, and has been involved with opposing strict internet regulations.

    It is likely Harris will be as much a tool of California tech as Obama was.

    “By the time Harris ran for the Senate, she could count on massive support from Bay Area law firms, real-estate developers, and Hollywood. More important, she appealed, early on, to tech mavens such as Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg and Sean Parker, Marc Benioff of Salesforce, Yahoo’s Marissa Mayer, venture capitalist John Doerr, Steve Jobs’s widow Laurene Powell, and various executives at tech firms such as Airbnb, Google, and Nest, who have collectively poured money into her campaigns. Their investment was not ill-considered. Harris seems a sure bet for the tech leaders. Her husband, attorney Doug Emhoff, was a managing partner with Venable Partners, whose clients include Microsoft, Apple, Verizon, and trade associations opposing strict Internet regulations.
    This year, Harris keynoted the Joint Venture Silicon Valley conference, and she is once again reaping large donations from tech and media giants. As the most significant California candidate in the race, she has a big advantage in harvesting the lion’s share of these riches: California donors collectively contributed over $500 million to the 2016 campaign. The largest benefactors so far to Harris’s 2020 campaign include employees at Alphabet (the parent of Google)—including its former chairman, Eric Schmidt—Cisco, and Apple, as well as many prominent media and entertainment interests. For these companies, with few non-Asian minorities or women in senior positions, and some executives implicated in #MeToo infractions, Harris offers a low-impact way to connect to contemporary progressive concerns.”

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is the Morning Consult poll results, which were on the last thread.

    “Each candidate ranks as follows, with pre-debate numbers first, post-first debate, post-second debate:

    Biden: 41.5 / 35.4 / 31.5 (-10)
    Warren: 12.6 / 18 / 14.4 (+1.8)
    Sanders: 14.4 / 16.4 / 17.3 (+2.9)
    Buttigieg: 6.7 / 4.4 / 4.8 (-1.9)
    Harris: 7.9 / 6.3 / 16.6 (+8.7)

    The problem I have with the current narrative of Harris causing Biden’s poll numbers to drop 10% is that Biden’s poll numbers dropped from 41.5% to 35.4% after the first debate, at which Biden and Harris were not present. Claiming that Biden initially had 41.5% support impresses me as unusually high, as most other polls had him in the 30-35% range. It might be an “outlier” so to speak. The next day 35.4% appears closer to what other polls have been saying. After the Biden/Harris debate Biden fell another 3.9%, and Warren fell 3.6%. So believe Harris impact on Biden’s polling a bit less than is being claimed now.

  52. dblaikie says:

    I am not a big fan of some of Trump’s tweets. But he had to respond to Carter. The man was a President of the United States and he called Trump illegitimate. That is an unthinkable low blow for a sitting President! Talk about undermining his term. I would not have been upset if Trump tweeted that he was a low life jerk.

  53. dblaikie says:

    I cannot think of a better outcome for these debates as Biden, Warren, Harris, and Bernie emerge as the big 4. Three socialists and a burned out politician. Could make a good comedy.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump should have ignored Carter. Responding made it a bigger story. Since he is incapable of being mature, he should have just said, “President Carter’s service to humanity after his one term as President was exemplary.” It would remind people he sucked as President but seem less combative with an ancient, irrelevant man.

  55. dblaikie says:

    Maybe Trump should have tweeted this: “No one cares what Jimmy Carter says anymore. And I don’t want to seem combative with an ancient, irrelevant man.” There Bitter, is that better?

  56. Tina says:

    He had to respond because he was asked.

    I do not feel that his response was over the top.

    I know there is concern here about his “response;” but it is all dwarfed by Trump meeting Kim and being invited into North Korea, and going over the demarcation line.

  57. Tina says:

    During that presser, he had a more interesting exchange with Drat Acosta (“cn and n reporter”). In response to Acosta’s bs, he said:

    “No, not at all. I don’t really care about offending people,” Trump said. “I sort of thought you’d know that.”

  58. Bitterlaw says:

    He had to respond because he was asked.

    [H]e should have just said, “President Carter’s service to humanity after his one term as President was exemplary.”

    Both can be true.

  59. jason says:

    H]e should have just said, “President Carter’s service to humanity after his one term as President was exemplary.”

    Yeah, he should have lied, since I don’t find anything about Carter exemplary.

    I am serious, Bitter had the right response, even if I don’t agree with the statement.

  60. Tina says:

    Carters comments about trump not being the winner due to the Russians is a lie. imagine the peanut farmer who never lied is now a liar.

  61. jason says:

    Trump was the most to the left of all the R candidates, except maybe Pataki and Fiorina, and I agree with lisab that if he wins, he will shift a lot to the left, closer to what I believe is his ideological beliefs.

    But that will still be better than any of the socialists.

  62. jason says:

    Trump just made Carter a lot more relevant than he deserves.

    I agree there should have been a response, just not the one he gave.

  63. Wes says:

    All of this talk about how bad the Dems will be if they win in 2020 ignores the fact that, whether one likes Trump or not, a second Trump Administration will set them up in 2024 to do even worse. 2022 will be a disaster for the GOP, and there’s not much of a chance a Republican replaces Trump in 2024.

    Thus 2020 is a pick-your-poison election. The Dems are going to be in power and overreach either way. It’s just a question of when it happens.

    I’m actually going to surprise all of you with what I’m about to say, but I’m going to vote for Trump next year. I will do so with no passion and plenty of trepidation for the above-stated reason, but I will cast a ballot for him. Of course that will lead to a divided household as Tink is 100% guaranteed to vote for whomever the Dems nominate. I’m not going to waste my time with provoking fights by trying to convince her otherwise, though I did secure a promise from her to vote GOP for Senate and Governor. She’s eagerly looking forward to trying to get Trump out of office though. She has a deep-rooted hatred of Trump nearly as profound as mine for GWB.

  64. Phil says:

    Jimmy Carter says the election of 2016 was illegitimate because of the Russians? LMAO. This is the same Carter who in 2013 said Venezuela had the best electoral system in the world.

    He was a naive fool when he was president. He is an old fool now. Screw that guy and the horse he rode in on.

  65. Wes says:

    Carter is great for Habitat for Humanity. He’s not quite so good as a political analyst.

    Anyone who declares Hugo Chavez engaged in no electoral shenanigans has forfeited the right to be taken seriously.

  66. jason says:

    if the dems lose in 2020, i think they will go full leftist”

    Not so sure. They are already full leftist.

    I think there will be a backlash of some sort, maybe it won’t be successful, but I think what is left of the more moderate Dems might question whether losing to Donald Trump twice in a row might not be a reason to change strategy.

  67. Phil says:

    Like Wes, I will vote Republican for President, and i’ll Do it straight down the ticket. What choice do I have? Anyone paid attention to those loons on the stage and what they were saying? Hello!

  68. Wes says:

    Losing to GWB twice didn’t make the Dems moderate, Jason. They nominated their furthest left President ever in 2008,

  69. jason says:

    Carter is great for Habitat for Humanity.”

    Ok, if you think that makes his conduct after leaving the Presidency “exemplary”.

    I think most of the positions he has taken and statements he has made, and claiming Hugh Chavez ran clean elections is one of them, bar him from anything close to exemplary.

    He also stated that Hamas is “committed to peace”

    I rest my case.

  70. Tina says:

    Beta Male to campaign in Mexico.

    Isn’t that collusion?

  71. Wes says:

    When did I say Carter was exemplary, Jason? I only said Carter does well at the one non-political thing he does. His political activities range from jokes to disasters.

  72. Tina says:

    Absolutely no Secret Service agents when he walked over and came back.

    Larry Schweikart
    Raise your hand if you were just a tad skittish when President Trump walked ALONE into North Korea.

    I didn’t see any SS agents on that side, even when he and Kim met & came back on the southern side.

    Visions of various movie plots began to swirl, like the NORKs . . .

  73. mnw says:

    Great optics from DMZ!

    From a public opinion viewpoint, a lot of things are starting to go in Trump’s direction.

    I agree with NYCMike that but for Trump’s tweets & punching down, his JA would be 5 points better right now.

  74. mnw says:

    I believe in taking elections one at a time. 2020 is MORE than enough for me right now. The hell with 2022 & 2024! I’ll worry about those when the time comes, unless I’m pushing up daisies.

  75. Wes says:

    I believe in looking at elections as chess matches rather than checkers games. Each move should be a setup for a future move. Ignoring the potential effects of current elections on future ones gets us results like 2008.

  76. Wes says:

    MD used to say Republicans play checkers while Democrats play chess. Mnw perfectly illustrates that.

    Dems are going to fight hard now to beat Trump because even if by some miracle they don’t get him personally next year he sets them up perfectly for 2022 and 2024.

    It’s unclear how hard rank-and-file Republicans will fight to reelect Trump, but their fight is necessarily a short-lived one as Trumpism is heterodox populist political ideology attached to one man’s cult of personality and, unlike Reagan or Goldwater conservatism, both of which were ideologies existing independently of their namesakes, has little if any appeal beyond those emotionally committed to Trump.

    Such is the danger of wedge-issue politicians such as Trump.

  77. mnw says:


    I disagree with every word you typed, including “a,” “and,” & “the.”

    Btw, 2008 was the proximate result of Barney Frank’s Community Reinvestment Act, i.e., the subprime mortgage disaster. I’m sure you foresaw that, too. /s

  78. Wes says:

    Actually since you want to be snarky, Mnw, lying gets you nowhere. 2008 was the direct result of a sitting President with a 29% approval rating. Subprime loans did trigger the Lehman Brothers collapse, but McCain had only briefly made it close after the convention. He was going to lose anyway because a sitting President with a sub-30% approval rating is always going to be a drag on his party.

    Now post another fact-free, bloviating response complete with one of your cute little sarcasm icons you use in lieu of anything intelligent or creative.

  79. Wes says:

    On another note, RRH is surprisingly bullish on GOP Senate chances next year.

    They have AL at Lean R, CO and AZ at Tossup, and MI at Lean D. These are all reasonable ratings largely in line with my own assessment. I disagree with them on NC-Sen, which they have at only Lean R despite acknowledging Dems have no strong challengers for Tillis. That would put it at at least Likely R unless Tillis loses the primary or has a George Allen moment. For some reason, RRH always seems to expect Dems to perform better than they actually do here in NC. I have no idea why.

  80. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The first post-debate poll is out from Politico/Morning Consult

    Biden 33,
    Sanders 19,
    Warren 12,
    Harris 12,
    Buttigieg 6,
    O’Rourke 2,
    Booker 3,
    Yang 2,
    Klobuchar 1,
    Gabbard 1,
    Castro 1,
    Ryan 1,
    Bullock 1,
    Gillibrand 1

    As indicted in post #52, I don’t think Biden was hurt as bad as the press indicated after the debate. He is still the frontrunner.

    Meanwhile, the Politico headline was “Harris surges to third place in national poll after debate. ” Actually she is tied with Warren.

    Biden dropped 5% from the previous poll; and Harris gained 6%.

  81. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The real winner of the first Democratic debates may be Trump. Several commentators have stated that the debates show that the Democrats have all but adopted Bernie Sander’s socialist platform. I think it is making a lot of moderate Democratic and independent voters seriously considering holding their nose and actually voting for Trump.

    Also, believe Trump has increased his stature by showing caution and not escalating the confrontation with Iran by holding off on a military strike. And his meeting with the leader of North Korea at the DMV was an impressive media event. If he can now resolve the China tariff issue, and the economy remains strong, believe he has a good chance of being re-elected.

  82. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    82. *indicated not indicted.

  83. jason says:

    The debates got one more vote for Trump that he didn’t have in 2016.

    My wife declared the Dems are absolutely nuts and although she despises him, she will be voting for him.

    Trump now has 3/5 in my family, the last 2 will be a challenge however. But you never know, I think at least one might think Warren or Harris is a bridge too far, not that they would vote for any of the Dems.

  84. jason says:

    Trumpism is heterodox populist political ideology attached to one man’s cult of personality”

    Yah thinks?

    Of course, if you read some of the posts here you would think Trump is actually a true conservative from birth.

  85. jason says:


    Romney, who thinks the MSM is his friend, should take notice.

    “NeverTrumper Bret Stephens writes a column saying that the left is scaring away voters the Dems need to win. Gets called a white supremacist”

  86. jason says:

    Another NeverTrumper resorts to begging Dems not be too radical….

    David Brooks

    If the Democratic moderates take on progressives they get squashed by the passionate intensity of the left. If they don’t, the party moves so far left that it can’t win in the fall.”

    And he too, gets trashed by his “friends”…ouch

    “David Brooks offering Democrats advice is like getting lectured on morality by a man who cheated on his wife of 28 years and married his researcher (23 years younger than him)… who is also David Brooks.”

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Our President shouldn’t be squandering American influence on photo ops and exchanging love letters with a ruthless dictator. Instead, we should be dealing with North Korea through principled diplomacy that promotes US security, defends our allies, and upholds human rights”

    We tried that for two decades, and it accomplished nothing.

  88. jason says:

    “exchanging love letters with a ruthless dictator”

    “principled diplomacy”

  89. Phil says:

    Bret Stephens….saw him on some cable show panel. How bad was he? Made Ana Navarro and Nicole Wallace look like real Republicans – which of course they are not any longer. God, he made me want to puke my guts out.

  90. jason says:

    Dem narrative:

    Trump is a warmonger with Iran.

    A peacenik with North Korea.

  91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a politically incorrect bigot who the Democrats need to denounce at their next debate:

    “VATICAN CITY, June 30 (Reuters) – Pope Francis praised on Sunday the meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and said he hoped it would lead to peace.

    “In the last few hours we saw in Korea a good example of the culture of encounter. I salute the protagonists, with a prayer that such a significant gesture will be a further step on the road to peace, not only on that peninsula, but for the good of the entire world,” he told thousands of people in St. Peter’s Square for his weekly address and blessing.”

  92. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “So…. Democracy Corps data shows Biden’s favorability with African American voters went up a net 18% after last nights debate, while Mayor Pete’s went down 10%. Stan Greenberg chalked a lot of it up to defensiveness over the perception that the Obama-Biden legacy was under attack.”

  93. Tina says:

    Has any Republican blasted Antifa?

    Does Quittens still desire to praise them?

  94. John says:

    Biggest surprise for me today is the MorningConsult poll…Harris gained just 5 points and Biden still way ahead…over 20 points ahead of Harris….Wow…especially after all of the elite liberal media slobbering over Harris.
    Biden keeps shooting himself in the foot and he still commands a decent lead.

  95. jason says:

    Biden is the best candidate the Dems can field and he is the establishment candidate. So he will have a consistent base of support.

    The problem I see for him is that the respondents in these polls are not necessarily the same mix of voters in the primaries, who will probably be more to the left.

    On the other hand, you see an up and down flow for the other candidates. Mayor Butt, Warren, Harris, Sanders ebbing and flowing week to week. This could benefit Biden if in the end its the electable candidate against a fragmented field of moonbats.

    If we don’t want Biden as the nominee facing Trump, we should hope one of these moonbats becomes his main foe.

    But here is an interesting question. If you have a gun to your head and have to pick one of these Dems as President, who would you pick? Of the viable candidates, I would pick Biden. Yes, he is far left, and is being driven even farther to the left to get the nomination, but he is not moonbat crazy far left. And there is always the chance he would self destruct in the GE campaign. However, if he picks Harris or Warren as VP, considering his age, I would punt.

  96. jason says:

    By punt I mean I would say go ahead, pull the trigger.

  97. jason says:

    Obama-Biden legacy”

    Which is?

  98. jason says:

    The Obama-Biden administration was a disaster both in domestic and foreign policy.

    I guess it was ok in other areas.

  99. Wes says:

    This should tell you how loony the Left is:

    In a Facebook group I frequent, liberal posters are complaining because “privileged white men” are the predominant users of psychedelic drugs according to a recent study.

    I don’t even know where to begin with this.

  100. mnw says:

    I read that the woman (waitress) who spit on DT, Jr. got over $10000 in her GoFundMe account within 48 hours of the story breaking.

  101. Phil says:

    Man, that’s sad. Really sad. Guess what. The genie isn’t going back in the bottle. It will continue to get worse. The tipping point has been crossed.

    The country needs to be split into two nations. It’s impossible for geographic reasons, but still they don’t want to live with us and I want nothing to do with them. So the left is now openly paying each other to spit on the President’s family? Let that sink in for a minute.

  102. mnw says:

    The Portland Antifa story is WORSE than the spitting.

    This is the first & probably the only time you’re going to hear me draw a Third Reich analogy, but what Portland is allowing Antifa to do is a direct corollary of the SA Stormtroopers. No valid differentiation is possible.

  103. Phil says:

    Agree, mnw. It is worse. What even makes it worse is how the MSM buries the story.

    Stormtroopers? You bet they are.

  104. John says:

    Just watched CNN and a push from the anchor for busing using the Harris alert as a trigger. (forcing or not).
    God, do we really want to go down this path? It was a disaster from both Democrats and Republicans.
    Is this where the D’s want to go.
    It seems a death wish here.

  105. John says:

    Updated D racehorse AFTER second debate according to I guess, 538 and MorningConsult…


    Final analysis…Biden was dinged but still in total control…Harris gained but not nearly enough to change the projectory…Dims are still sold on Biden…

  106. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Take a look at post #52. The board has already been discussing the issue. However, I would not be that confident the Democrats are still sold on Biden; assume the gaff parade will continue. He made another one today. The leftist press wants him out of the way; so they are going to highlight every gaffe he makes.

  107. Bitterlaw says:

    I disagree on splitting the country. The only place worth living for me would be in enemy territory.

  108. Phil says:

    Well, bitter, you are certainly there. Of course I have a buddy living in Austin and believe me, it’s no less leftist than Philly. More so in fact – full of Californians who have moved there and brought their loony political ideas with them. Not content just to turn California into Venezuela, they have decided to try and destroy Texas as well.

    As a practical matter there is no where to get away – even in red states like Texas.

  109. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The problem with advocating for busing again is urban millennials tend to be helicopter parents. Threatening to bus their children to another part of town is not going to go over well. The idiot left appears to be intent on helping Trump do better in the suburbs.

    Meanwhile, at least one poll has indicated that African-Americans support for Biden increased after the debates. Democrats who support Biden may be reacting the same way as many Republicans and Independents who support Trump, their picking the lesser of two evils.

    By the way, there were some posters who ridiculed my prediction that the Democrats will have a civil war, and instead claimed Democrats would all unit behind Biden –because he can win! Anyone want to make that argument now? Am sure the Democrats will soon join together and all sing kumbaya.

  110. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil-PA has one Republican Senator and a GOP controlled legislature. Gov. Wolf is a douche but quiet.

  111. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – I did not say that Dems would not unite behind Biden for the nomination. I think the Dems willunitevbehind whomer is nominated to defeat Trump.

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    Did not say Dems would unite behind Biden.

  113. jason says:

    US playing Curacao for the Gold Cup quarterfinals.

    Curacao is about the size of Philadelphia and less than 10% of its population, so pretty impressive it made it so far.

    Except that most of players are carpetbaggers from the Netherlands playing for Curacao.

    Something like the US Virgin Isles forming a basketball team for the Olympics with NBA players.

    So far the US is only winning 1-0.

  114. jason says:

    Yep, so far Wolf has not succeeded in killing the energy sector in PA, implementing huge tax increases, raising the minimum wage or passing inflated budgets.

    Not that he hasn’t tried, but as Bitter says he is lying low.

    And his first budget after re-election is a miracle to behold:

    “This budget is the embodiment of that noble effort,” Wolf said referring to a call for a government that puts all Pennsylvanians needs in mind. “It asks for no new taxes, no new burdens on our citizens, while at the same time increasing dramatically our investments in the public goods that will make life better for all Pennsylvanians.”

  115. MikeKS says:

    I am a Republican political consultant by trade, but if I were a Democratic one, I’d increasingly be mortified by the direction of the Dem field and think this is playing out like 1984. It obviously won’t be like that due to the divisions of the country and the number of safe states, but my gut says Trump holds his 2016 states and wins the PV.

  116. Wes says:

    The Mikey Maneuver strikes again!

    Two years after a divisive primary contributed to the election of a Dem to Senate from AZ for the first time since 1988, a Deadender is looking at a primary challenge to Martha McSally:

  117. NYCmike says:


    Wes, the person WHO REALLY BELIEVES in the primary system, is, once again, AGAINST a primary.

    HHR is a great place!

    I would also love to know what makes the other candidate a “Deadender”.

    Would it be “any person who wasn’t GIVEN a Senate seat after that same person LOST an election for the other Senate seat”?

  118. NYCmike says:

    Maybe Wes should call McSally and ask her to step aside for the “Deadender”…….to avoid a divisive primary.

  119. jason says:

    I would also love to know what makes the other candidate a “Deadender”.

    wes, you have to understand “Mikey” is a slow learner.

    Seven or eight senate seats given away to liberal Dems to SEND A MESSAGE are not enough for him, so he wants to make sure Rs lose the AZ and AL races at least before he understands what a deadender is.

  120. jason says:

    Maybe Wes should call McSally and ask her to step aside for the “Deadender”…


    See wes, if the candidate that can win the GE steps aside for a deadender sure to lose, this makes it 100% guaranteed you will SEND A MESSAGE.

  121. jason says:

    NYC supports the primary system as long as it nominates deadenders sure to lose.

    If its to make sure you nominate your best candidate with the best chance to win the GE, then he doesn’t support it.

    I call it the “selective support for the primary system” syndrome.

  122. NYCmike says:

    “See wes, if the candidate that can win the GE…”

    -2018 is calling jason……

    You have a reflexive tendency to start yapping….like a chihuahua……without thinking of why you are yapping….

  123. NYCmike says:

    “If its to make sure you nominate your best candidate with the best chance to win the GE, then he doesn’t support it.”

    -Fantasy world.

    Only one person was complaining about the primary system, and it wasn’t me.

  124. NYCmike says:

    In the meantime, the AZ GOP, led by Chair Kelli Ward, has said their focus is keeping Senator McSally in Washington.

    Does yesterdays “deadender” become a non-deadender when they become head of the party?

  125. jason says:

    Does yesterdays “deadender” become a non-deadender when they become head of the party?”


  126. jason says:

    But having deadender morons like Chemtrail Ward as “head of the party” is excellent for losing elections, so I am sure NYC is happy with the choice.

  127. jason says:

    “See wes, if the candidate that can win the GE…”

    -2018 is calling jason……”

    Ah, yes, don’t you love deadender logic.

    Because McSally, who was the best candidate the GOP could field lost a close election, they should have gone with a deadender, who would lose by more, to SEND A MESSAGE.

    Genius, I tell you.

  128. jason says:

    Food for thought. Regarding Trump’s comment that his base is so big he doesn’t need swing voters, which offhand seems like political suicide, Alex Castellanos, a political pundit, actually agrees with it.

    Castellanos offered two points:

    “First, “Donald Trump’s base is much bigger than it appears on surveys. If you haven’t figured out its uncool to tell the polling/media establishment you are a Trump supporter, you are not smart enough to be one. So add 5 to 6 points to every survey you see.”

    Second, “Trump doesn’t have to win over swing voters. He just has to make sure they see he is the only thing standing between them and the return of a rapacious D.C. establishment. Swing voters may find this President hard to swallow personally, but the country is on fire. He’s the only fireman in town and Democrats are kerosene.”

  129. NYCmike says:

    “who would lose by more”


    It’s much better to lose by just 1 vote……… jason’s mind

  130. NYCmike says:

    jason logic – “Vote for me – I’ll lose with a smaller margin than the other person!”.

  131. jason says:

    Personally, I think 5-6 points is too much for the hidden Trump vote.

    The fact is, contrary to conventional wisdom, all the Trump supporters I know are not afraid to say they are for Trump.

  132. jason says:

    jason logic – “Vote for me – I’ll lose with a smaller margin than the other person!”.

    Pretty good logic.

    Sometimes the best candidate loses anyway.

    That doesn’t mean you don’t go with your best candidate.

  133. jason says:

    NYC wants to guarantee the liberal Dem wins, so that is why he wants to go with the candidate that will lose by more.

    I get it.

  134. NYCmike says:

    “NYC wants to guarantee the liberal Dem wins…..”


    I got free coffee mugs to give away for just that type of reasoning ability.

  135. jason says:



  136. jason says:

    So we already have the “Mikey Maneuver” in AL and AZ.

    Where else can we try to ensure the liberal Dem wins?

    So many opportunities.

  137. NYCmike says:

    #137 – 🙂

    What an A-Hole!

  138. Ben says:

    “registered voters” the numbers are NEVER close to what the registered voter numbers are. And its way too early so pointless poll.

  139. jason says:

    Hey, Ben, we dwell on pointless here.

    It’s what we do.

  140. jason says:

    I would rather have a life than argue with morons like NYC, but you have to play the cards you are dealt.

  141. mnw says:

    It’s McSally or nothing, imo.

    I can’t believe there is any market among big GOP donors for… primarting McSally! That’s insane.

    Trump has endorsed her emphatically. So has Ward, btw. As an incumbent, she has some advantages she didn’t have last time. This time, I hope the DEMs have a nasty, ugly primary fight in AZ.

    Holding this seat is already going to be an uphill fight. I still like McSally’s bio., A LOT. Hopefully the greater turnout in a POTUS year will help her.

  142. mnw says:

    RAS is 47/51 & -7 today. Some deterioration. Obviously, this is before G20. though.

    Same as Zero on this date in 2011.

    You wouldn’t believe the vicious attacks I get at real pro-Trump sites (Powerline; Ace of Spades) just for suggesting that Trump needs to shut up & act presidential.

    “RINO! Fool! KOS Troll!”

  143. mnw says:

    And Townhall. I forgot.

    Kurt Schlichter writes as well as Jonathan Swift, btw. I envy him that.

  144. jason says:

    It’s McSally or nothing, imo.

    I can’t believe there is any market among big GOP donors for… primarting McSally! That’s insane.”

    Nobody ever said the Mikey Maneuvers were sane.

  145. jason says:

    I don’t regard Powerline as a “real pro-Trump” site, at least not the editorial part, but I never read the comments there.

  146. jason says:

    Holding this seat is already going to be an uphill fight.”

    Yes, but it can be made more uphill by running a deadender against her so she will have to waste resources and political capital, damaging her for the GE.

    However, according to NYC, it will send a message.

  147. Tina says:

    My sally needs to ste0 it up.

    She lost 10 percent of the R vote last time,

    Impressive resume (military) and she failed to take advantage against Enema.

    Enema has been ok though on borders and judges.

  148. NYCmike says:


    Should we get rid of the primary system or not?

    Yes or No?

    I have no issue with McSally, and no issue with the primary system.

    What say you, jason? Wes? How do you keep others from running in a primary? I do know that at one point, in Utah, Republicans chose, legally, to use a convention of sorts to pick the person they wanted to have represent them. Wes called that “fascist”.

    Make up your minds, and take a stand.

  149. mnw says:



    Plus, I don’t think u read the “editorial part” much either, if u think the site isn’t pro-Trump.

    Does it make you feel BETTER to imagine that most conservatives agree with your odd assortment of opinions?

  150. NYCmike says:

    -Ted Cruz, aka “Grandstander” is trying to do something about antifa lawlessness. Also, Richard Grenell has alerted the media as well.

    Nothing from Mitt Romney yet………

  151. mnw says:


    How do you suggest that McSally “step it up”?

  152. jason says:

    lus, I don’t think u read the “editorial part” much either, if u think the site isn’t pro-Trump.”

    I didn’t say it wasn’t pro-Trump, I don’t see it at “real pro-Trump” like Ace.

    I have been reading Powerline for years, so I am well aware of their views, but I never read the comments.

    I like Powerline for their legal insights into many of the issues, which to me seem very well supported, and maybe that is why I don’t see them as overly partisan.

  153. jason says:

    Should we get rid of the primary system or not?”

    Nice dodge, but as we say in Texas, that dog won’t hunt.

    You have supported a variety of deadenders for the purpose of defeating candidates that can win a GE, for the sole purpose of “sending a message” that they did not pass all your litmus tests, i.e., delivering the seat to liberal Dems.

    The primary system is fine. Using it to support deadenders is moronic.

  154. John says:

    Actually I heard it either from Charlie Cook or Larry Sabato or perhaps both that the ‘hidden Trump voter’ is pegged somewhere between 4-6% with polls – at least with regards to the 2016 timeframe.
    Agreed that this may be a bit inflated now but there is a certain percentage that doesn’t want to be labeled with the awful ‘isms’ that people associate the Trump voter with.

  155. jason says:

    Does it make you feel BETTER to imagine that most conservatives agree with your odd assortment of opinions?”

    I am sure this is some kind of attack, but since I did not understand it, I can’t be too offended.

  156. jason says:

    “Actually I heard it either from Charlie Cook or Larry Sabato or perhaps both that the ‘hidden Trump voter’ is pegged somewhere between 4-6% with polls –”

    Maybe. But remember Cook and Sabato were trying to justify why they were so wrong, and of course it’s not that they are partisan hacks, the fault is with voters.

  157. jason says:

    Some of Sabato’s final predictions.

    “Despite some wobbles along the way, we’ve favored Hillary Clinton as the 45th president of the United States ever since we did our first handicapping of the Clinton vs. Donald Trump matchup back in late March. The edge we had for her back then has eroded a little bit at the end — we had her as high as 352 electoral votes, and in the final tally we have her down to 322, with 216 for Trump.”

    The two closest states here are North Carolina and Ohio.(Trump won Ohio by half a million votes)

    Overall, we’re picking a net gain of four for Democrats in the Senate, which results in a 50-50 tie in Congress’ upper chamber.

    If we’re off on the total number of seat changes, we think it’s slightly likelier that Democrats get to 51 or 52 than Republicans. That could mean the Democrats pulling out a win in Indiana, Missouri, or North Carolina. If Republicans hold on to the majority, it probably would be because Ayotte survives in New Hampshire.”

  158. NYCmike says:

    “Using it to support deadenders is moronic.”

    -I have stated support for the primary system.

    I have NOT stated any support for that candidate.

    If you support the primary system, devote your energies to making sure McSally defeats any challenger, instead of yapping and making up cr*p.

  159. jason says:

    If you support the primary system, devote your energies to making sure McSally defeats any challenger”


    “Maybe Wes should call McSally and ask her to step aside for the “Deadender”…….to avoid a divisive primary.”

    “Would it be “any person who wasn’t GIVEN a Senate seat after that same person LOST an election for the other Senate seat”?”

    “I would also love to know what makes the other candidate a “Deadender”.

    We can see you really want McSally to “defeat the challenger”.

    Morons are so predictable.

  160. jason says:

    Sabato’s morning after.

    “We heard for months from many of you, saying that we were underestimating the size of a potential hidden Trump vote and his ability to win. We didn’t believe it, and we were wrong. The Crystal Ball is shattered. We’ll pick up the pieces starting next week as we try to unpack what happened in this election, where there was so much dramatic change from just four years ago.

    We have a lot to learn, and we must make sure the Crystal Ball never has another year like this. This team expects more of itself, and we apologize to our readers for our errors.”

  161. jason says:

    They shouldn’t apologize for errors, they should apologize for being partisan hacks.

  162. jason says:


    Translation: pointing out NYC’s astounding hypocrisies.

  163. NYCmike says:


    -You know what that means:


  164. NYCmike says:

    DeBlasio says “Medicare for ALL” plan should pay for gender reassignment surgery……..somewhere in Pogo Loco, “CG” and Robbie have another reason to NOT VOTE for President Trump.

  165. NYCmike says:

    -Here is the link.

    One other note: went into city to meet cousins yesterday, but NOT at the PRIDE Parade, which looked to be a lot of fun for those who participated.

    For some reason, the PRIDE parade didn’t seem to have a time limit like every other parade the city allows……..odd……….

  166. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is an example of a Biden quote from the debate that makes me wonder about his mental fitness:

    “I’m also the only guy that got ‘assault weapons’ banned. Banned. And the number of clips in a gun banned.”

    A “clip” technically a term for a group of individual rounds of ammunition that are used to load a magazine of a gun. In common usage clip is often used as an alternate term for magazine, which holds bullets and attaches to a gun. My assumption is this was what Biden was referring to. All guns only hold one magazine at a time. There never was a ban on the number of magazines, because the only number possible is one. The controversy now is over how many bullets the one magazine (“clip”) can contain.

    In some weapons with internal magazines, a clip can be used to load it. But a clip does not become part of the gun.

    Biden claims to be responsible for the assault weapon ban. If true, would assume in the legislative process of passing it he would have learned about how a gun holds one magazine, and clips are not part of a gun. The issue is how many bullets a magazine can contain.

  167. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CNN Poll

    22% Biden
    17% Harris,
    15% Warren
    14% Sanders.
    No one else in the 23-person field tested hits 5%.

    “That represents a 10-point decline in support for Biden since the last CNN poll in May, while Harris, of California, has posted a 9-point increase, and Warren, of Massachusetts, has boosted her support by 8 points. No other candidates have seen significant movement since the last poll.
    Harris’ numbers follow a strong showing on the second night of the debates. Among those who watched or followed news coverage about them, 41% say Harris did the best job in the debates, well ahead of the 13% who say Warren had the best performance and 10% who said Biden did. Among those who say they watched all or most of at least one night of debates, Harris’ showing is even stronger: 46% say she did the best job, 19% Warren, 8% Biden and 5% each named South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and former secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro.
    And 30% of potential Democratic voters now say Harris is the candidate they most want to hear more about, up from 23% who said the same in April. That figure doesn’t include those who say she is their top choice for nominee.”

  168. lisab says:

    why do gay waiters at high end restaurants in dc have lisps?

  169. Tina says:

    Biden already had a 10 point drop in the Rcp average.

    No doubt he was hurt by the debate the most.

  170. Tina says:

    Mnw, I think she needs to better connect with Az Rs. I am not sure what caused the disconnect the last time.

    She needs to focus more on her policy beliefs and less on her opponent,

  171. lisab says:

    why do gay waiters at high end restaurants in dc have lisps?

    Biden already had a 10 point drop in the Rcp average.

    No doubt he was hurt by the debate the most.

    oh … it gets better!

  172. Waingro says:

    Huge post-debate bump for Harris, which is troubling. She honestly scares me the most as a potential POTUS, because she makes it clear she will be an extreme authoritarian president.

  173. NYCmike says:

    She won’t be any more authoritarian than Trump!


  174. Waingro says:

    #175, she’s literally said she will “order” the ATF to effectively do her bidding on “gun control” if a bill doesn’t reach her desk.

    She must have made 5 separate “on day one” promises on radical policy changes. And her track record as a CA’s top prosecutor does lead credence to all of this.

  175. Tina says:

    Looks like Aoc yelled at the border protection unit in El Paso and refused to tour the site,

    If she yelled and threatened Leo’s, she should be arrested.

  176. NYCmike says:


    I believe you are correct. Combine that with the fact that she is a Democrat, a woman, a woman of color, and you have 3 reasons why the media will do nothing to stop her.

    If she comes out as a lesbian, she may become dictator for life.

  177. Tgca says:

    Super busy day. Just stopping by to say


  178. mnw says:

    The best way for McSally to deter a primary challenge is to work the FR phones (which all politicians gate to do), & build a terrifying war chest.

    RE: Harris

    We’ll see if people want a third term for Zero, with a bonus serving of wild lefty policy proposals.

  179. mnw says:

    Hi, Tg

    Glad u r out & about.

  180. mnw says:

    180 sb “hate to do”

  181. Bitterlaw says:

    I support primaries. Sometimes, primary voters choose poor candidates. Both can be true.

  182. lisab says:

    does tgca speak with a lisp?

  183. DW says:

    Current RCP average of the 25 communists who wish to take away your remaining freedoms:

    1 – Biden: 30.1
    2 – Sanders: 16.7
    3 – Warren: 13.1
    4 – Harris: 9.1
    5 – Buttigieg: 5.7
    6 – O’Rourke : 2.9
    7 – Booker: 2.4
    8 – Yang: 1.1
    9 – Klobuchar : 0.9
    10 – Castro: 0.9
    11 – Gabbard: 0.9
    12 – Bullock: 0.6
    13 – de Blasio : 0.6
    14 – Ryan: 0.4
    15 – Gillibrand: 0.4
    16 – Delaney: 0.3
    17 – Bennet: 0.3
    18 – Inslee: 0.3
    19 – Moulton: 0.3
    20 – Williamson: 0.1
    21 – Hickenlooper: 0
    22 – Swalwell: 0
    23 – Gravel: 0
    24 – Messam : 0
    25 – Sestak: 0
    26 – Ojeda: Dropped out:

  184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “why do gay waiters at high end restaurants in dc have lisps?”

    Am curious how you know a waiter is gay?

  185. mnw says:

    I never thought I would see the day when a genuine, viable presidential candidate would advocate a return to… busing!

    I guess her political thought process must be that the vast majority of people who actually remember what a disaster busing was are dead.

    1) free healthcare for illegals

    2) busing

    3) reparations

    aka “How to Dig Your Own Political Grave”

  186. lisab says:

    “why do gay waiters at high end restaurants in dc have lisps?”

    Am curious how you know a waiter is gay?

    well … apparently they speak with lisps …

    joe biden knows …

    (seriously that video, in #173, is evidence uncle joe is losing his mind)

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    188. I did not hear anything particularly bad in what Biden said. It might have been a bit awkward and show that Biden is somewhat out-of-date, but he meant well.

  188. lisab says:

    speaking with a lisp demonstrates you are gay?

    and it was ok to make fun of gay waiters 5 or 6 years ago?


    (although i am sure he did mean well … he is getting crushed today for that clip)