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Biden Leads Trump By 4% Nationally

On this day after Independence Day, we have a new poll from Rasmussen Reports that shows Joe Biden ahead of Donald Trump by 4%.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Rasmussen)
Joe Biden (D) 48%
Donald trump (R-inc) 44%

This poll was done June 23-July 2 among 4500 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 11:16 am
Filed under: General | Comments (162)

162 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 4% Nationally”

  1. jason says:

    Horrors!

    We are doomed.

  2. Wobbles says:

    Trash this poll. Trump is down by 26.

  3. jason says:

    Can we have an interesting discussion of the internals?

    Thanks.

    I will lead the discussion by stating I think llama farmers are under-represented.

  4. Tgca says:

    Cuatro Bebe! Cuatro!

  5. Tgca says:

    Wes sort of comes out as gay or at least bi in 180 of last thread. He’s enjoyed given hundreds of massages to men.

  6. Tgca says:

    Now if only Bitter would accept he metrosexualty as a lover of sweaters and flower shows.

    I’m so apply to see folks EVOLVING at HHR.

  7. Tgca says:

    6

    So happy not apply.

    His not he

    Metrosexuality

    Stoopid -@$$ Siri!
    Dumb b*tch can’t spell and interpret my Jersey acccent evidently.

  8. Wes says:

    You completely misconstrued what I said, Tg. I never said I enjoyed massaging anyone, male or female. I said I have massaged hundreds of men, though I have massaged far more women than men.

    Massages are a job. I don’t perform them for any kind of personal sensual gratification. If there were a sexual aspect to my work I certainly wouldn’t have male clients. In my work I do nothing sexual and engage in a practice called centering so I view the client as a body first and foremost.

    I would never be attracted to the men I work on, so they’re comfortable with me. I could be interested in the females, but with the mind-centering exercises I perform before I work on them I preclude any possibility of developing a sensual interest in them.

  9. jason says:

    We know where Proud Obamacon was yesterday…

    “Two people have been arrested after a violent clash between Trump supporters and a group of communists following a flag burning in front of the White House yesterday.

    Protesters wearing t-shirts of Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA, burned the American flag while chanting “America was never great” before fighting with counter-protesters wearing MAGA hats, according to USA Today.”

  10. jason says:

    I don’t think wes is gay.

    Sue me.

  11. Proud Obamacon says:

    Same ole drivel from Jason. He really needs to come up with some new material. So predictable, good dog!

    #RESIST

  12. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t think wes is gay. ”

    -Says the guy who sleeps with llamas…….

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    jason does not sleep with llamas. He stays awake. Which is probably worse.

    Zing!

  14. Wes says:

    I’m less concerned about the allegations of being gay—which I regard as a harmless joke—than about the implication I would ever have a sexual relationship with a client. That’s the single worst thing a therapist can do, and all ethical LMBTs go to great lengths to avoid any appearance of such a thing because of the potentially grave consequences.

  15. John says:

    Romney ahead of Obama 49-44% on July 27, 2012 – biggest lead in months…
    https://www.businessinsider.com/romney-obama-poll-rasmussen-tracking-election-2012-7

    “Going out on a limb – Romeny beats Obama. Handily – Ras Report. Nov 5, 2012.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/going_out_on_a_limb_romney_beats_obama_handily

  16. mnw says:

    I regard this poll as good news. Period.

    Biden has the most crossover potential. These could be Trump re-elect numbers (given the same state distribution as 2016– Wes will correct me if I’m wrong, I’m sure), or at least close to re-elect. Plus, I suspect the DEMs will nominate somebody other than Biden, with FAR less crossover appeal.

    I wanna see Harris talking to blue collar voters in western PA & WI. That would be FABULOUS, eh, Tg?

  17. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden had a good interview on CNN. He is focused on projecting himself as a moderate, and challenged OAC and the far leftists. He came across well, without gaffes, although the age issue was there, as he clearly was a bit foggy mentally.

    Harris is going to be damaged by her recent flip-flops, particularly her position on busing, which she used to attack Biden in the debate — and then subsequently flip-flopped to take a position similar to Biden’s.

    Its going to be an interesting six months coming up. Believe that O’Rouke and Buttigieg may not make it into 2020.

  18. NYCmike says:

    “Harris is going to be damaged by her recent flip-flops, particularly her position on busing, which she used to attack Biden in the debate — and then subsequently flip-flopped to take a position similar to Biden’s.”

    -If the media doesn’t publicize it, it really didn’t happen.

    Harris, like Obama, and any Democrat running against a Republican, will benefit from the media, as the blogger Iowahawk would say, “Covering a story…….by putting a pillow over it!”.

  19. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18. The news media is widely covering Harris flip-flop on busing. CNN, Fox, NBC, and other major media outlets have picked it up. A recent headline in the Washington Post: “Harris’s views on busing come under question after her debate criticism of Biden’s past position.”

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18. Don’t assume the news media has any love for the tech industry, or its puppet candidate.

  21. NYCmike says:

    Let’s see how many days they cover it, or if it is just a drive-by.

  22. Tgca says:

    8 Wes

    I misconstrued what you said? Oh my bad! I would never do that intentionally. No one on HHR does that regarding what others post because that would be inappropriate.

    You are my friend Wes so I am so sorry that I may have offended your professional reputation. I should not have assumed what I posted. If you enjoy giving men massages, that is not for me to comment upon until you are comfortable with sharing that information.

    I hope we’re good now my southern comrade.

  23. Bitterlaw says:

    The MSM will be objective in covering the Dem primaries because it will drive up sales/viewers. The MSM will unite in promoting the Dem nominee over Trump in 2020.

    Both can be true.

  24. Bitterlaw says:

    Sweaters and flower shows do not make me gay. Acting and singing inmore than a dozen musicals and plays in high school and college do not make me gay.

    GFY

  25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    21. Maybe so, but I believe the media wants Trump out badly, and knows it can only be done by a less radical candidate like Biden. Am seeing Biden getting a lot favorable coverage now.

    The first debate was a disaster for the Democrats, as the candidates came across as far left. The question is how far gone is Biden mentally?

    I still believe the Democrats will have a civil war, and there is a possibility that Sanders or another far leftist runs as an independent. This is Sanders last chance, and he is not going to walk away from his dream of establishing socialism in the U.S.

  26. Tgca says:

    24

    That’s what Liberace said too!

  27. Tgca says:

    It is not unusual for married men to have gender or sexuality identity changes later in life. Can we all say Bruce Jenner please?

    I am in no way passing judgment on anyone. If a guy likes girly things like sweaters, flower shows, and singing and dancing in musicals, who am I to judge them being in touch with their more feminine side.

  28. lisab says:

    bruce actually had gender identity issues before he got married

  29. Wes says:

    Tg is so desperate to have a gay friend on here he intentionally lets everything I said in 8 go over his head.

    If you need a guy pal, Tg, I’m sure Mike still lurks from time to time. He’s closer to your area than I, though he seems confused about his sexuality from what I’ve seen last few times I read his posts.

  30. Bitterlaw says:

    I gave up sweaters when I gave up theater.

  31. lisab says:

    that poll is horrible news for biden

    not that it is necessarily accurate

    but it means the other dems can use it to rip him apart

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    31. Can you show me any polls where another Democrat polls better against Trump than Biden?

  33. Cash Cow TM says:

    This morning, I watched Walt help load, deliver and unload 7 pickup truck loads and one trailer load of potted plants from his current home to the new home.

    Walt, Mrs. Walt, one guy and 3 female friends did all the work…
    #################################################
    I was exhausted watching all the work going on while I chewed on my cud.

  34. mnw says:

    Cow

    Why would anyone not owning a Garden Shop have that many potted plants?

    The Missouri Botanical Gardens doesn’t have that many! Does Walt employ a helper to water all those? Or are these those “special happy hour” plants that you keep in the basement under grow lights?

  35. NYCmike says:

    “It is not unusual for married men to have gender or sexuality identity changes later in life.”

    -And women say men can’t change!!

  36. NYCmike says:

    “special happy hour” plants!!

  37. Wes says:

    Those are probably what you use before starting on your inevitable schemes to have Deadenders cost Republicans Senate seats, Mikey.

  38. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The old Bolshevik will fight to the bitter end.

    “Sanders took a swipe at Biden, after the former vice president defended his commitment to moderation in a crowded Democratic field during an interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo that aired Friday morning.
    Sanders pointed to “Medicare for All” and Ocasio-Cortez’s trademark Green New Deal environmental protection plan as “the agenda America needs” that would also unite voters against President Donald Trump.
    “I’m proud to be working with @AOC and so many other Democrats to pass Medicare for All, debt free college and a Green New Deal,” Sanders tweeted later Friday in response to Biden’s comments. “This is the agenda America needs — and that will energize voters to defeat Donald Trump.”
    The New York Democrat replied on Twitter, “Thank you, @SenSanders. It’s an honor to work alongside you and the millions of other people fighting for education, healthcare, and a living wage as rights.”

  39. Tina says:

    I guess Gaffe forgot that he was veep when the Russians interfered in the election.

  40. lisab says:

    Can you show me any polls where another Democrat polls better against Trump than Biden?
    —————————————

    sdc,

    as i said, i am not saying the poll is accurate.

    i am saying it gives harris and warren and buttigieg etc., a talking point of biden being weak, so they should be given a chance, and people should hear them out.

    in fact, the polls showing warren and harris catching biden i find suspicious … at least in warren’s case

  41. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I guess Gaffe forgot that he was veep when the Russians interfered in the election.”

    Phuck yeah – how about that aerial attack on Yorktown by our great Army pilots!

    #worst.president.evahh

  42. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    41. lisab, I was referring to head-to-head polls against Trump. I have not seen a poll showing any other candidate running as well as Biden against Trump. One of the supposed benefits of Biden being the Democratic candidate is that he is the one most likely to beat Trump. You have seen it on this board — Biden will be nominated because he can win!

    I agree the polls are all over the place now, so do not know for sure what is Biden’s standing in the primary.

  43. Cash Cow TM says:

    mnw,

    Mrs. Walt has an affinity for flowers and has many flower beds and planters full of every lower know to man.

    She dug up SOME of her many plants (well over 150 plants) to take SOME of her flowers, plants, bushes, small trees, etc. to the new home.

    Looking at the remaining flowbed hither and yon oat the old home, you cannot really tell she hd dug out any.
    ***************************************
    Walt told me in private that he thinks she has an addiction. He may try an intervention.

    But the first think a person must do when they have an addiction is to admit they have a problem.

    Ain’t happened yet…

  44. mnw says:

    Cow

    Well, if one has to have an an addiction, flowers is the one to have. That actress on Cheers, Kristy Alley (appx?) once said she was trying to spend as much on cut flowers as she used to spend on cocaine.

    It’s an improvement, altho her accountant & financial advisor probably didn’t think so.

    Happy florist! Happy florist!

  45. lisab says:

    One of the supposed benefits of Biden being the Democratic candidate is that he is the one most likely to beat Trump. You have seen it on this board — Biden will be nominated because he can win!
    ——————————————–

    sdc,

    i caught your meaning.

    biden cannot lose, according to some here.

    however, neither could hillary.

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    Biden has the best chance of the Dems to beat Trump. Biden might not beat Trump. Both can beat Trump.

  47. Bitterlaw says:

    Both can be true.

  48. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Was just beginning to post, and am now feeling a serious earthquake. It has gone on a long time.

  49. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    7.1 earthquake, and felt like it. Neighbors said their plants were swinging. Looks like it was same place as last one. Thankfully away from an urban areas. Hopefully not too much damage.

  50. mnw says:

    I was once awakened by a tiny trembler in STL. I didn’t know what it was.

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tonight’s earthquake was 10 times larger in magnitude than Thursday’s earthquake. If it had been in an urban area; it would have been devastating.

    Expect former Gov. Brown to speak soon claiming it was caused by global warming.

  52. Big Joe says:

    Be safe, SDC.

    Looks like Gravel is dropping out. The field narrows …

    Big Joe

  53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Earlier tonight went to a “concert in the park” sponsored by a local community association. They put on a series of them throughout the summer — rock, swing jazz. A lot of families and locals get together and have a good time. Over 500 in attendance. The community in question is in urban San Diego, and liberal – usually votes Democratic by over 80%.

    Since it was near the 4th of July weekend, one of the singers started out with singing the national anthem. Every single person got up and stood up on the grass while it was played. The far left is playing with fire when they start attacking the flag and patriotism.

  54. Tina says:

    The rate needs to be even higher,

    RESULTS DAMMIT – Trump-Mexico Deal Cuts Release of Illegal Aliens into U.S. by 70 Percent (link: http://bit.ly/2xtBI8T) bit.ly/2xtBI8T via
    @BreitbartNews

  55. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Dodgers weren’t going to stop their game just because of an earthquake. Here is the game going on in the shaking.

    https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/1147346027898212352

    A comment under the tweet said it best: “Plus, -its LA, we’re used to a bit of shaking. Hopefully everyone close to the epicenter is ok.”

    Where I live, the first thing we do is check the elevator, to make sure no one is stuck in it, then check for damage. I went over to the small store on my block –to check if items on their shelves had not fallen. The clerk did not even know there had been an earthquake.

  56. janz says:

    That 7.1 quake tonight was felt in a wider area because it was only a half mile down, versus yesterday’s which was 5.4 miles. Not good having so many so close together. I have shoes and to-go bag out by the side of the bed.

  57. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    58. Here is the Padres tweet from their game with the Dodgers which the earthquake shook :

    “7.1 magnitude*EarthquakeLA? Just roll with it”

    Apparently the announcers noted the fans in the upper decks quickly moved from their seats as the shaking persisted.

    Janz, not sure leaving will work; in past earthquakes freeway bridge and decks have often collapsed.

  58. janz says:

    SDC, At first you don’t know what to do. I was upstairs & went to a door frame..barefooted, I got sandals, then purse and phone. The shaking here came in two distinct waves. At the start of the 2nd wave I started going downstairs & then it stopped. Very weird times!

  59. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Wow! You were considerably closer to the epicenter than I was.

    The worse thing about an earthquake is not making how bad it will be, or when it will stop. There is always the worry it be a very big one, and you be living in rubble.

    The rolling just went on-and-on in this earthquake, began to wonder if it would get worse and things would get ugly.

  60. Bitterlaw says:

    Relieved to hear that Janz and SDC are safe. Crazy to lie there but safe.

  61. Tina says:

    Janz and Sdc, glad you are safe.

    Sending prayers.

  62. Cash Cow TM says:

    You HHR hoggers stay safe out there on the left coast.

    *********************************

    I am surprised SSQ has not come on to post that the CA earthquake is God’s punishment on the immoral people out there…

  63. Cash Cow TM says:

    It is indeed sad that the last two presidents the U.S. voters elected were pretty ignorant people….

    –57 states, Marise “CORPSE”, etc.

    –The patriots in 1776 during the American Revolution seized all the airports, etc.
    ################################################
    (Of course, GWB was no Einstein either…)

  64. Tina says:

    Impressive economic stats, huge rise in median income vs the obumbler.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/household-income-trump-economy/

  65. Tina says:

    Sorry, those stats are dated. Disregard 67.

  66. mnw says:

    56 Tina

    Impossible. Fake news! jason has explained that tariffs never accomplish anything, ever, under any circumstances.

    It’s just Kabuki, not real. jason will explain soon why you mustn’t believe your lying eyes.

  67. jason says:

    ESULTS DAMMIT – Trump-Mexico Deal Cuts Release of Illegal Aliens into U.S. by 70 Percent”

    Zzzzzz…..

    Anyone who believes this is a moron.

    Oh wait…

  68. jason says:

    What else can we pretend that tariffs are good for.

    Cancer? Earthquakes? Global warming? Broken hearts?

    The sky is the limit!

  69. jason says:

    I remember when the AFL-CIO conservatives were explaining how tariffs were just a “negotiating stance” to curb China trade abuses.

    Now they are good for immigration issues too.

    Let’s face it, the AFL-CIO conservatives think tariffs are a panacea for just about anything.

    The truth will set you free.

  70. Tina says:

    Well the threat of tariffs against the corrupt gubment appears to have worked.

    But the gubment is still corrupt and the cartels that the jebots love are quite powerful.

  71. Tina says:

    They are only good since the chamber of commerce republicans heart open borders and all means were already exhausted. Notice how Quittens and the other rinos were against the national emergency,

    The only other thing is to declare the cartel a terrorist group.

    Tax bigly remittances.

    Continue to divert military funds to build the wall that the rinos hate

  72. mnw says:

    Tariffs ARE a “negotiating stance to curb China trade abuses,” & those negotiations continue. The happiest day for Trump during his presidency will be the day he can remove those tariffs on China.

    The threat of tariffs on Mexico was about illegal aliens, not about collecting import duties. The tariffs on China are about getting rid of their notorious trade abuses, not about collecting import duties.

    Every president since Reagan, including Zero & Clinton, have had the same issues Trump has with China. The only difference is that Trump, as with so many other problems, is actually trying to solve the problem.

  73. mnw says:

    Tariffs ARE a “negotiating stance to curb China trade abuses.” Tthose negotiations continue. The happiest day for Trump during his presidency will be the day he can remove those tariffs on China.

    The threat of tariffs on Mexico was about illegal aliens, not about collecting import duties. The tariffs on China are about getting rid of their notorious trade abuses, not about collecting import duties.

    Every president since Reagan, including Zero & Clinton, have had the same issues Trump has with China. The only difference is that Trump, as with so many other problems, is actually trying to solve the problem.

  74. mnw says:

    Yuk. Double post. Sorry. I have no internet skills whatsoever. First it wouldn’t print at all, & then it printed twice.

  75. Tina says:

    “Coyote” Booker

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    1h
    Democrats have added being human traffickers to their 2020 platform.

    Either we’re a nation of laws or we’re not. You don’t get a pass for being a coyote because you sit in Congress.

  76. jason says:

    The happiest day for Trump during his presidency will be the day he can remove those tariffs on China.”

    Wow, the AFL-CIO conservatives are really into fantasy land now.

    Trump has advocated for economic isolationism and protectionism for decades. He may have “evolved” in other areas such as abortion, but one area he has been consistent is that he thinks tariffs are “great” and that trade wars are “winnable”.

    The idea that Trump prefers free trade to protectionism would go against everything he has stood for for decades.

  77. jason says:

    “The threat of tariffs on Mexico was about illegal aliens,”

    Really?

    Thanks for making my point above. So its not really about “curbing China abuses” after all.

    Tariffs can be used for anything, its the snake oil of the Trump administration.

  78. Paul says:

    Tina.
    Find another country. Your ass is not welcome here anymore. Go screw yourself.

  79. Phil says:

    Nadler wants border patrol prosecuted for child abuse.

    Yeah, Dems. Run on that one.

    Free healthcare for people breaking into the country. What a platform.

  80. Paul says:

    ICE SHOULD BE ABOLISHED AND SHOT>

  81. jason says:

    Trump, as with so many other problems, is actually trying to solve the problem.”

    Zzzzzzz….

    He has no interest whatsoever in “solving the problem”.

    He views free trade AS the problem. He wants to restrict international trade because he believes we could make everything in America and that consumers would still buy everything in the same quantities even if much more expensive. He believes that you don’t have to be competitive and efficient in a globalized economy, he agrees with the AFL-CIO that tariffs can save you from that.

    Because he doesn’t believe in free trade, he also does not believe in the basics law of economics of supply and demand.

    Trump want the US to be an economic island. Contrary to mnw’s assertion that the objective of Trump’s AFL-CIO agenda is “not to collect tariffs”, it is exactly that. Trump wants to kill international trade, not grow it.

  82. Paul says:

    BORDER PATROL IS THE AMERICAN SS> Needs to be abolished. FREEDOM FOR AMERICA!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

  83. Phil says:

    Agree, Paul. Border Patrol is indeed the SS. Absolutely should run on that.

  84. jason says:

    Donald Trump:

    TARIFF is a beautiful word indeed!”

    “Tariffs are the greatest”

    The AFL-CIO conservatives want us to believe everything Trump says, except when he flies contrary to the fantasy that Trump really doesn’t like tariffs.

    Then he is a liar.

  85. Phil says:

    It’s hard for me to imagine Trump risking the economy over this tariff policy. The economy tanks and he’s toast. Makes no sense from a policy prospective and just as wrong headed politically.

  86. NYCmike says:

    If Trump was to run on jason’s platform of wanting the principle of free trade to be the main component of his trade policy, and lose because of it, I wonder who would be called the “deadender”?

    By the way, I do agree with mnw’s statement where he says “The happiest day for Trump during his presidency will be the day he can remove those tariffs on China.”.

    Right on the money, despite what jason believes. Trump has shown himself to be a dang good President, in my opinion…….hoping that Ca$h Cow and Walt can warm up to him enough to cast a vote for him…..I thank jason and Wes for coming around to that end.

    I am upset about Tink, but I won’t try to get inside her head……

  87. NYCmike says:

    “Trump wants to kill international trade, not grow it.”

    -Arguments can be made about Trump’s affinity for tariffs, with some merit, but to go this far just shows you to be a kook.

  88. NYCmike says:

    “The AFL-CIO conservatives want us to believe everything Trump says, except when he flies contrary to the fantasy that Trump really doesn’t like tariffs.”

    -I guess I am not an AFL-CIO conservative, as my rule is I don’t believe, or simply ignore, 99% of what ANY Republican politician says.

  89. DW says:

    If this poll is true, and Biden is the nominee and wins the popular vote by a 4 point gap, that means the electoral college vote is a razor close election that could go either way.

  90. NYCmike says:

    test

  91. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Totally agree with what mnw said in #75. It is a joke to say we previously had free trade with China prior to the tariffs.

  92. jason says:

    It is a joke to say we previously had free trade with China prior to the tariffs.”

    Nice straw argument, but I bet you $1000 you can’t find any post here that says China had “free trade”.

    But if that is your excuse for being in favor of tariffs, protectionism and isolationism, fine, that is the excuse of the AFL-CIO union fat cats for decades.

    China is a communist country. I guess that means we cannot promote capitalism.

    The AFL-CIO conservatives always have a good excuse for being pro-tariff and against free trade.

  93. jason says:

    -I guess I am not an AFL-CIO conservative, as my rule is I don’t believe, or simply ignore, 99% of what ANY Republican politician says.”

    Let me guess, you agree with Trump 100% on tariffs because he really not a Republican.

    Okayyy….

  94. jason says:

    If Trump was to run on jason’s platform of wanting the principle of free trade to be the main component of his trade policy, and lose because of it, I wonder who would be called the “deadender”?

    Good, I guess NYC has given up on his absurd theory that Trump wants free trade, since he admits it is not the main component of his trade policy.

    The main component of his trade policy is tariffs, protectionism and isolationism, so I am glad NYC finally admits it.

    Now, whether it would cost him votes or not to be for free trade, it is a legitimate question.

    Republicans have won elections before running in favor of free trade and against the AFL-CIO agenda

    I think Trump could still win if he embraced free trade, because I think most blue collar workers understand now that the Dems are not on their side.

  95. jason says:

    It’s hard for me to imagine Trump risking the economy over this tariff policy. The economy tanks and he’s toast. Makes no sense from a policy prospective and just as wrong headed politically.”

    Hey Phil, you must be a deadender.

  96. Tina says:

    Paul did you know that Obama’s ice put kids in cages and wrapped them in foil?

    The Clinton Groupie was not appalled.

  97. jason says:

    Trump is certainly willing to risk the economy for the sake of trade wars.

    Must be a deadender too.

  98. jason says:

    Tax bigly remittances.”

    I love this brilliant idea.

    See, you tax remittances that are sent to families in Mexico and other countries, so the recipients can’t survive where they are and they have to become illegal immigrants too.

    I can’t think of a better plan if you want more illegals.

  99. dblaikie says:

    I agree with Jason up to a point. Trump’s trade policy is highly risky. His claim is that these tariffs will drive production of products out of China because America is the greatest consumer of goods. In the short term this will cause some economic distress, but according to the President this wil be off set by the revenue generated from the Tariffs. In the long term, if no agreement is reached major players in China like Nike and Apple will move operations to a more friendly tariff environment and if they don’t move other manufacturers will fill in the gap move production to a tariff friendly ally of America and undercut the Corporations remaining in China.

    Again this seems like a huge gamble to me. I don’t see Trump giving up this policy. As far as the election goes the next 3 business quarters will tell the tale.

  100. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The economy seems to be doing well despite the tariffs. News headlines from yesterday.

    “Strong job growth is back: Payrolls jump in June well above expectations.”

  101. mnw says:

    104 SDC

    Yes, if this is a poor economy, groaning under the weight of the tariffs on China,* then give me more groaning, pls.

    Fauxcahontas:

    “Taxing the Rich Will Pay for Daycare for Newborns”

    Congratulations to every HHR poster! You’re all rich!

    If Trump simply removes the tariffs on China now, & we go back to whatever euphemism jason employs to describe the trade situation BEFORE Trump’s tariffs (“I never said it was free trade!!!”), then all the problems with China’s predatory trade policies will remain as they are for the foreseeable future. The last 6 presidents have ALL agreed on one thing: The existence of China’s predatory trade policies. Only our jason favors a return to the statue quo ante… more IP theft; more forced technology transfers; & all the rest of China’s neverending drizzly bullz**t.

  102. lisab says:

    china is hurting

    slowly but surely they are bleeding companies

    however, they know if trump loses in 2020, they get everything back

  103. lisab says:

    well … nobody likes trump, so almost no one showed up for the july 4th celebrations

  104. janz says:

    #75 well said. Previous presidents, Bush, Obama, only gave lip service to trade problems with China and other countries. They didn’t want to jeopardize their presidencies by taking risks that might generate consumer or partisan grievances, spoiling approval numbers or future election chances.

    While I don’t know the outcome of Trump’s direct approaches, I do, however, admire someone implementing their convictions and beliefs, by taking real steps towards correcting some long standing, publicly lamented, lopsided foreign policy stances.

  105. John says:

    Joe Biden is now apologizing for his remarks about ‘working’ with segregationist senators…Anita Hill, the Hyde Amendment, the ‘touchy’feely’ stuff, saying Cory Booker should apologize, etc….wow.
    Biden comes across as an empty suit.

  106. Tina says:

    There is nothing to substantiate the claims of Russian interference.

    A big lie like the Russian Dossier and Comedy is a Republican,

  107. janz says:

    I viewed only the last portion of trump’s Salute to America speech on the 4th. But watched it in it’s entirety, via one of the many links subsequently posted.

    It proved to be an inspiring, educational review of our history, spectacularly choreographed by all the military fly-overs. Also, the enormous, steadfast, animated crowd gave comfort that there still remained a patriotic grouping of people who appreciated what this country had to offer. Ironically the challenging weather seemed to give a symbolic backdrop to the event, demonstrating the verve of people undaunted by stormy weather to celebrate the cornerstone of America’s genesis – always to stay free.

  108. Tina says:

    Janz, it was the best speech of his presidency and totally non partisan,

  109. Marv says:

    Also, the US Air Force provided the most spectacular flyby.

  110. janz says:

    Marv, the Blue Angels, at the end, gave an exclamation point to the event. How do these pilots provide such precise coordination of their aircraft?!!

  111. jason says:

    Spanish River (Boca Raton, FL) High’s principal, William Latson, refused to call the Holocaust a fact saying: “Not everyone believes the #Holocaust happened..It cannot be forced upon individuals, as we all have the same right but not all the same beliefs”

    Did Bunu move to Florida? Oh wait, he would never have made dog catcher, let alone principal.

  112. Marv says:

    janz,

    Practice.

  113. jason says:

    While I don’t know the outcome of Trump’s direct approaches, I do, however, admire someone implementing their convictions and beliefs,”

    That’s fine, I have no problem with that, as long as we acknowledge that his “beliefs” are tariffs economic protectionism and isolationism, and basically the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 60 years.

    A lot of the people here think this is the way to go, that is why I call them AFL-CIO conservatives.
    I don’t agree with it, I have a completely different “belief”, which is I believe in free trade, free markets, free enterprise, and the free exchange of goods and services.

    What irks me is when people want to pretend Trump’s long standing positions are “negotiating stances” and that “Trump would love to do away with tariffs”, etc. That is a crock. Trump’s positions are absolute dogma, and if you believe in that dogma, why not admit it instead of making up a lot of excuses. Stand up for your convictions like I am standing up for mine. When I read NYC’s idiotic “I am against tariffs except when Trump imposes them” I want to throw up.

  114. jason says:

    Only our jason favors a return to the statue quo ante… more IP theft; more forced technology transfers; & all the rest of China’s neverending drizzly bullz**t.”

    Zzzzzzz….

    mnw wants to return to the status quo where unions give Democrats hundreds of millions to elect leftists who oppose right to work, impose crippling job and company killing regulations, and ensure companies cannot invest or modernize so they can compete on a global scale, instead forcing them to either close down or move overseas.

    THAT is the status quo mnw wants. The AFL-CIO playbook.

  115. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So were at the point of Democratic candidates promising to pay massive amounts of money to various demographic groups to obtain votes.

    “Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., announced Saturday that she would invest $100 billion of federal money into housing assistance for black families as part of an effort to close the racial wealth gap in the United States if elected president.
    “After generations of discrimination, it’s time to give Black families a real shot at homeownership,” Harris tweeted on Saturday.”

  116. jason says:

    Negotiating stance my ass:

    “Trump’s views on trade, tariffs and multinational trade deals were set in stone long before he became president.

    “In the 1980s, Trump lambasted Japan for “taking advantage of” the U.S., along with other countries. He railed against the trade deficits the U.S. had amassed with Japan and other trade partners. “It’s time for us to end our vast deficits by making Japan, and others who can afford it, pay,” Trump wrote in an open letter “To The American People” that ran as a full-page newspaper ad in 1987.”

    Trump has praised protectionist policies for decades. He often repeats the false claim that foreign exporters pay tariffs, despite the consensus that domestic businesses and consumers bear the costs.

    “Asked in 1990 by Playboy about the first thing he would do if he took office, Trump answered: “I’d throw a tax on every Mercedes-Benz rolling into this country and on all Japanese products, and we’d have wonderful allies again.”

    I agree with this assessment of Trump’s trade policy:

    “Robert Scott, trade expert at the Economic Policy Institute, summed up Trump’s governance on trade more bluntly: “Smoke and mirrors,” he said, “and trade policy by press release.”

  117. Phil says:

    100 billion into housing assistance for black families?

    What does that even mean? I’m going to pay my mortgage and at the same time that my tax dollars go to subsidizing theirs – all on the basis of their skin color?

    Uh, I don’t think so, Senator.

    This in addition to what I will pay for free health care to those breaking into the country?

    I guess if you are a white, working class family you’re pretty much screwed.

  118. janz says:

    …. his “beliefs” are tariffs economic protectionism and isolationism, and basically the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 60 years.

    My interpretation of Trump’s tariff policies are as a bargaining chip in order to level the playing field, so no country pays more to import/export their products than another. He has said as much, adding that what he wants is zero tariffs for everyone.

    You can take this as Trump malarkey, or to be what his actual strategy is in order to obtain equal trade policies among all countries doing business with each other.

    If I’m wrong on the prez’s thinking than I’m wrong. But, so far I’ve seen nothing to discredit his ultimate trade goals of using tariffs as a persistent nudging device.

  119. janz says:

    Kamala Harris is being pushed heavily by the MSM, social media, and pundits across the board. Her drive-by cut down of Biden seemed to serve her well among all the talking heads. However, IMO, her harshness, convoluted statements, her biographical distortions, history of sleeping to the top etc., might provide some uncomfortable moments and factual ammunition to take her down in the future.

    As for her policy ideas, they are as shallow, shrill, devoid of common sense, and full of vote pandering as all the rest of her democrat comrades. When I hear any of them on the stump these days, I am so turned off that I simply click around to another channel to turn them off.

  120. MikeP says:

    Happy 4th of July;

    Long since I have been on HHR.
    Just got back from the Celebration in DC. I flew in from Houston. I had an amazing time. The cameras did not capture thousands on the other side of the Potomac near the Pentagon. The fireworks were beyond imagination. I agree about the speech great history lesson.

  121. janz says:

    Mike, do you have any estimates on crowd size, since you were personally there?

  122. Tina says:

    Breaking: Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for allegedly sex trafficking dozens of minors in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005, and will appear in court in New York on Monday.

  123. Tina says:

    Epstein and Bj are Bffs.

  124. MikeP says:

    Janz,

    Since when has there been moderation trying to answer a question, Brief response is more than they are reporting

  125. John says:

    #125
    Figures have not been told, especially from Fox News…however, the Macy’s televised of the fireworks on NBS gathered a four year low on another channel…tells you something.
    Prediction…Trump’s ‘Salute to America’ gets millions upon million on viewership and Fox gets the best…

  126. John says:

    Yep. Absotulely agree,…but again whom in the world of the DNC/liberals, elite liberal media will/are/going to agree with this?
    Kamala Harris is just about about 10c short and about $10 short of something coming close to that what America really whats….not another Mid East War…

  127. Bitterlaw says:

    When are Trump’s tariffs going to cure diabetes? They fix everything else.

  128. jason says:

    You can take this as Trump malarkey”

    Thank you, I will. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s a duck.

    Bargaining chip? Nudging device? LOL

    The guy has a history of 40 years defending tariffs, economic isolationism and protectionism, and is on record, as I quoted above as saying “tariffs are the greatest” and “tariffs are wonderful”.

    I have the opposite view as Janz. I have seen nothing yet that indicates Trump does not seriously think tariffs, trade restrictions, isolationism and protectionism are a good thing.

    I have not seen ONE indication he doesn’t think the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 60 years is what he wants for America.

  129. mnw says:

    BL

    RE: China tariffs

    If you were POTUS, would you drop the tariffs & return to the status quo ante?

    Do you think Chins’a trade policies are predatory & have been for decades?

    Would you do nothing?

    I wish you & jason would consider this real world example of a long-running trade dispute:

    For 15 years, the U.S. pursued an unfair trade practices action before the WTO, regarding EU subsidies for Airbus. A couple of months ago, the WTO issued a final decision, & ruled that the EU was in violation of the relevant WTO treaty in regard to the Airbus subsidies. The WTO remedy? The WTO authorized the U.S. TO IMPOSE PUNITIVE TARIFFS ON THE EU.

    My conclusion is that the only remedy in existence for unfair trade practices is tariffs. Would you ignore the hard-won WTO ruling, or impose the tariffs authorized by the EU?

    If not, then just say, “When it comes to unfair trade practices, I favor…” WHAT?

  130. mnw says:

    134 sb “authorized by the WTO” (not the EU)

    As for Trump’s historical views on tariffs, he used to donate to HRC, too. Do you think he still does? Any chance his views on many issues have changed profoundly? Still think he’s pro-abortion? He used to be.

  131. jason says:

    When are Trump’s tariffs going to cure diabetes? They fix everything else.”

    That will happen as soon as Trump stops using them as a “persistent nudging devices”.

    I have to give Janz the most “Creative Excuse for Tariffs” award.

  132. mnw says:

    jason

    Would you favor imposing the tariffs on the EU, authorized by the WTO?

    You once suggested that instead of tariffs, the U.S.”pursue legal remedies,” remember?

    Well, in the case of illegal Airbus subsidies, the U.S. did what you suggested, and won. The WT)’s “legal solution” turned out to be… tariffs. You good with that?

    Let me guess:

    jason avoids the question & types, “ZZZZZ! LOL!!” (because jason is so WITTY & ORIGINAL /s), & disappears in a cloud of ink like a squid.

  133. jason says:

    “Any chance his views on many issues have changed profoundly? Still think he’s pro-abortion? He used to be.”

    Hello?

    I have stated he has changed his views on some issues, and I agreed abortion was one of them.

    However, there is NO indication he has changed his views on tariffs, protectionism and isolationism, is there?

    The quotes about “tariffs are wonderful” and “tariffs are the greatest” are recent and the fact his whole trade policy is based on tariffs and protectionism and he is even using them for immigration issues is strong indication he has not changed his views at all.

    All the evidence so far is that he has not changed his views.

    If he ever admits tariffs don’t work, never worked and never will work, by all means I will credit him for changing his views. Until then I will take him at his word that he thinks tariffs are wonderful and the greatest.

  134. Tina says:

    This ain’t gonna happen. China is hurting. They are losing jobs and their manufacturing base is shrinking. De globalization from the commie Chinese is going forward.

    (SCMP) China has insisted that all tariffs on Chinese imports added by the United States during the trade war must be scrapped immediately as part of any deal to end the year-long conflict, which would require the Trump administration to give up its position that some levies remain in place even after an agreement is reached.

  135. jason says:

    Well, in the case of illegal Airbus subsidies, the U.S. did what you suggested, and won.”

    Hallelujah!

    SO mnw admits there are other ways to deal with trade abuses. Baby steps.

    So yes, I will support Trump taking his case to the WTO, no problem.

    And I will still be for free trade, free markets, free enterprise and the free exchange of goods and services and against tariffs.

  136. jason says:

    I really would like to know what evidence mnw has that “Trump has changed his historical views on tariffs”.

    This should be good.

  137. Tina says:

    Dana “Bush” Perino is for Kamala. I wonder if the failed
    Bush family is for Kamala too?

    Dana Perino
    @DanaPerino
    · Jan 15
    Read and follow ?@ColinTReed? Here’s why Kamala Harris is my early bet to win the 2020 Democratic presidential primary

    (link: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/heres-why-kamala-harris-is-my-early-bet-to-win-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary) foxnews.com/opinion/heres-…

  138. jason says:

    Trump is imposing unilateral tariffs on a host of trading partners.

    How is that any way similar to a ruling that was 15 years in the making by the WTO?

    Because the WTO for a specific case ruled that tariffs were applicable, does that mean that it is a good idea for Trump to start trade wars with China, Mexico, the EU, etc.?

    Really, that is the argument?

    LOL

  139. Tina says:

    Regarding the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein, it was the corrupt, Fuhrer Mulehead who gave him a pass. It may be important to note the following:

    “The case is being handled by the Public Corruption Unit of the Southern District of New York…”. This implies possible corruption by Fib and U justice officials.

  140. mnw says:

    jason

    Do you support the WTO-authorized U.S. tariffs on the EU in the Airbus dispute, then? That was theonly remedy on offer from the EU. Yes? No?

    Don’t duck the question again, pls.

  141. jason says:

    Dana “Bush” Perino is for Kamala. I wonder if the failed
    Bush family is for Kamala too?”

    Wow, what a misleading statement.

    If I think Mayor Butt is going to win the nomination, it means I am for Mayor Butt?

  142. Bitterlaw says:

    If you were POTUS, would you drop the tariffs & return to the status quo ante? I WOULD DROP THE TARIFFS

    Do you think Chins’a trade policies are predatory & have been for decades? YES

    Would you do nothing? NO

    We have a trade deficit with China because we buy a lot from them and they but less from us. We can fix that by making our goods better or different so the Chinese want them. The goods will be so awesome that our people and the rest of the world will want them, too. If Americans remain addicted to cheap[ Chinese crap, tariffs won’t change that and will just damage our economy. If China does not want free trade, F ’em. Make other consumers around the want our products.

  143. jason says:

    No, I never support tariffs, I support free trade which is the exact opposite of tariffs. And “tariffs” here were used in a judgment much like a lawsuit for damages.

    However, I think there is a huge difference between a ruling that took 15 years to decide and Trump’s unilateral trade wars.

    Your analogy sucks, as do your excuses the AFL-CIO’s agenda..

  144. Tina says:

    Does Souter 2.0 agree with the State of Alabama?

    Big Alabama census lawsuit: “counting undocumented individuals violates the Constitution’s provisions governing congressional apportionment, the electoral college, and the constitutional duty to conduct an “actual enumeration” of the population.”

    Alabama v. United States Dep’t of Commerce
    The State of Alabama filed a law

  145. jason says:

    If you were POTUS, would you drop the tariffs & return to the status quo ante?

    I WOULD DROP THE TARIFFS

    Me too. I WOULD DROP THE TARIFFS.

  146. Tina says:

    Trumps labor secretary, Alex Acosta, could be in trouble with the Epstein matter. He and Mulehead threw the case.

    Trump should be picking better cabinet picks, like Ross, pompeo, and Perry.

  147. lisab says:

    new trend …

    people licking icecream and putting it back in the store’s freezer

  148. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting new ABC/Washington Post poll. It showed Trump’s job approval at 47% to 50% disapproval. In January 2019 Trump’s approval in the ABC poll was 37%, and throughout 1998 Trump hovered at or below 40%.

    The poll then matched Trump with the Democratic candidates.

    Biden 53% Trump 43%
    Harris 48% Trump 46%
    Sanders 49% Trump 48%
    Warren 48% Trump 48%
    Buttig. 47% Trump 50%

    The disastrous impact of the 1st Democratic debate is now showing. All the candidates but Biden jumped off the left cliff.

    By contrast, Biden, despite Harris’s hypocritical attack, is still a strong contender. I have to agree with Wes — the Democrats would be nuts not to nominate him. The problem it appears they are nuts.

  149. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The last place you want to be during an earthquake is riding to the top of a roller coaster. And the worst place to be doing it is in Las Vegas, which is not going to win any awards for aggressive building code enforcement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=u8_vrmp3FHk

  150. Tgca says:

    MAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  151. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Good or bad for recapturing the UT-4 House seat if Mama Mia gets thru the GOP primary?

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900078477/mia-love-utah-fourth-congressional-district-run-2020-ben-mcadams-trump.html

  152. Tina says:

    No endorsement from moochelle for Biden. Also, the obumbler has not endorsed him.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michelle-obama-comment-biden-apology-holds-off-endorsement/story?id=64174424

  153. Wes says:

    It’s probably a Tossup or a Lean D Hold race if Love is the nominee, Sheep. She’s about average as a campaigner and suffered two heartbreakingly marrow losses while winning twice by somewhat more substantial margins. She has high name ID though and didn’t leave with low approval ratings, so I think she can win, though as noted, I don’t think she’s guaranteed of it.

    Trump may play a factor in her fortunes as UT-4 was his worst district in 2016. With McMullin off the ballot this time, Trump should increase his vote share substantially, but if the urban hipsters in SLC remain ginned up against him the Dems, while unlikely to carry the district, Dems may keep the House race relatively close and benefit from enough of an undervote from President to House to hang on. Of course if Trump carries the district by a wide enough margin and Mia Love stays focused on winning she may prevail as well.

    It could also be time for a fresh face. As a former Congresswoman, Love has high name ID but may feel like a return to the past for her would-be constituents. Republicans may be wise to do ballot testing and see if a more Generic Republican would have a better shot.

    To conclude, I would rank the race as a Tossup initially with Love as the nominee. I don’t know enough to say if another Republican might be a more substantial candidate in the district.

  154. Tgca says:

    Why are Californians such p*ssies? I see these ridiculous headlines about fear and high anxiety about more CA earthquakes. Gimmee a break! lived in CA for almost 20 years and we endured a number of earthquakes, specifically the devastating Northridge and Loma Prieta one’s which both were 7+ ones and did significant damage compared to this latest shaker. I do not recall all this whining and fear by folks back then. If you don’t like earthquakes, leave CA! Just like I tell folks in FL, if hurricanes scare you, move dammit!

    Now, going to Whole Foods and finding there are no more of my favorite veggie burgers or they are out of quinoa, that’s what I fear and makes me anxious.