ABC/WaPo: Biden Leads Trump By Double Digits, Trump Much Closer All Other Dems

ABC News and The Washington Post, which you will remember were still showing Joe Biden as far away the front runner in the Democratic primary, have released the General Election numbers from this same poll showing Biden also the only Democrat who had a clear lead over Donald Trump.

Joe Biden (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Kamala Harris (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

This poll was done June 28-July 1 among 875 registered voters. It is not surprising their pro-Biden numbers in the primary seemed to have carried over to the General Election numbers. It’ll be interesting to see how ABC News and The Washington Post compare to others on the next go around. Will they still be more pro-Biden than others or be more inline with others.

Posted by Dave at 11:30 am
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219 Responses to “ABC/WaPo: Biden Leads Trump By Double Digits, Trump Much Closer All Other Dems”

  1. Wes says:

    Interesting results…

  2. Tina says:

    Rcp / trump approval at its highest at 45.

  3. Tina says:

    Scalise slams China Biden. Here is one of his tweets, but there are many more:

    Steve Scalise
    Jul 6
    Did Joe Biden forget about when he and Obama, along with many other Democrats and the liberal media, mocked Mitt Romney for taking the threat of Russia seriously?

  4. mnw says:

    RVs, huh?

  5. Chicon says:

    The purpose of the poll is to encourage Dem primary voters to vote Joe.

  6. mnw says:


    I hope they don’t. Biden is still the only one I fear, but happily that missile seems to be deflecting.

    Hawks up to anything noteworthy? Bluz look like they are standing pat, as much as possible.

  7. Cash Cow TM says:


    Who cares!

    (oops. Should be MOVING day).
    Moving truck coming tomorrow.
    They will move the furniture, washer, dryer, freezer
    BUT…the paid movers do NOT do:

    –potted plants
    –plastic flats of rocks and minerals
    –open topped boxes
    –no chemicals, paints, flammables, cleaning supplies, etc.
    –wooden boxes that have an open top
    –garden tools and various pieces of equipment that cannot fit into a frigging box with a lid attached.
    –no clothes on hangers
    –nothing not packed IN a frigging box.

    So…that is what Walt has been transporting in his borrowed pickmeup trucks

    SO…Walt and I have been packing huge plastic containers with all sorts of heavy tools, nails, screws, bolts, etc. and putting lids on them.

    So what if they weigh 100 pounds.
    Movers gotta move them.

  8. Hugh says:

    Bitter. That article if his logic is close would turn PA into a dem blowout. I only have a survey of 5 family members who voted for either hrc or the independent who ran. Of those 1 died at 92, 2 are going to definitely vote trump and two are sticking with the dem. This author is in such a bubble he cant see how anyone who didn’t vote for trump last time would vote for him this time. I think that those who held their noses and voted for trump last will not switch their votes for the dem clown car and plenty of suburban voters will have no choice but to switch to trump or not vote. We shall see.

  9. Chicon says:

    Mnw – Hawks added two solid defensemen (which gives them 3/4), a couple 3rd/4th liners, and Robin Lehner. Should be a better team. By how much, we shall see. Blues didn’t need much work!

    The media/DNC compact will do whatever is necessary to beat Trump, and they believe Joe’s the best chance.

  10. mnw says:

    I’d rather be beaten with a bullwhip than move. I’ll just have to put up with blue state taxes.

  11. mnw says:


    There’ve been some anti-Biden stories in, e.g.., the WaPo about Biden’s China connections. I don’t think he’s the msm’s guy. All those age & gaffes stories too.

  12. Tgca says:

    Doce Bebe! Doce!

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I only posted it. I don’t vouch for it. Of people I know who not vote in 2016,for President, all are voting for the Dem in 2020. They even admit they do not agree with the Dems on issues but are willing to accept it to get rid of him.

  14. mnw says:

    I only know 1 person who didn’t vote in 2016. He holds dual Irish/U.S. citizenship; he’s a compleat Vegan– won’t even wear belts or shoes made even partially of leather. (I once found him springing mouse traps in order to save the lives of the little critters.). A veteran of the USMC reserves.

    He told me once he had never registered to vote, & that he’d never voted in any election. Asked me not to tell anyone, & I never did.

    My point? Based on my life experiences, people who are registered to vote & yet didn’t vote in ’16, but say they PLAN to vote in 2020 are a mighty small subset. And like my Irish friend, damn weird.

  15. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mrs. Walt packed up the kitchen while Walt and Cow packed up the garage.

    She outworked both of us and is much further along.

  16. DW says:


  17. DW says:

    RCP average of the 26 communists who wish to take away your remaining freedoms:

    1 – Biden: 26
    2 – Harris: 15.2
    3 – Sanders: 14
    4 – Warren: 13.8
    5 – Buttigieg: 5.2
    6 – O’Rourke : 2.4
    7 – Booker: 2.2
    8 – Castro: 1.4
    9 – Klobuchar : 1
    10 – Gabbard: 1
    11 – Yang: 0.8
    12 – Bennet: 0.6
    13 – Bullock: 0.4
    14 – Gillibrand: 0.4
    15 – Inslee: 0.4
    16 – de Blasio : 0.2
    17 – Williamson: 0.2
    18 – Hickenlooper: 0.2
    19 – Ryan: 0
    20 – Delaney: 0
    21 – Moulton: 0
    22 – Swalwell: 0
    23 – Gravel: 0
    24 – Messam : 0
    25 – Sestak: 0
    26 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    A nurse practitioner told me on Friday that she thinks the pain in my shoulder blade that radiates into my right hand is probably due to a tight muscle that is pressing on a nerve. She recommended I get a massage. Since I am not gay and I do not cheat on my wife, I can’t let a man or woman massage me. I will live with the pain or see an orthopedic surgeon.

  19. Wes says:

    That tells me how shallow Bitterlaw is:

    He inevitably equates the non sexual act of therapeutic bodywork with sexual activity—homoerotic sex or adultery.

    He’s the kind of guy LMBTs laugh about on their lunch breaks because he has such a distorted, myopic view of our profession.

    You’d think we were porn stars from Bitterlaw’s fear of us.

  20. jason says:

    Pelosi tired of AOC…

    Speaker Pelosi says ??@AOC?, ?@IlhanMN?, ?@AyannaPressley? and ??@RashidaTlaib “have their public whatever and their Twitter world. But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got”


  21. mnw says:

    Hey, Wes? He’s baiting you for his own amusement. You DO know that, right?

  22. jason says:

    I read the article on PA.

    I don’t know how many new voters there will be, but the fact is I have not met ONE person that voted for Trump and will not vote for him again. Not one. And I have not met one Hillary voter that won’t vote for any Dem nominee.

    As far as I can see, the 2020 election in PA will look a lot like 2016.

    Since it was extremely close in 2016, it will probably be close in 2020 too.

  23. jason says:

    “They even admit they do not agree with the Dems on issues but are willing to accept it to get rid of him”

    Color me skeptical on this, it sounds like the people who call in on the C-SPAN Republican line and say “I used to be a Republican but now… blah blah blah”. Smells like BS.

    People usually vote according to what they perceive is their interests.

  24. Wes says:

    Actually, Mnw, I’ve talked with Bitter about this before. He really does think what he’s typing.

    Of course a few days ago, Tg jumped on to try to say I was gay because of my job. I’m sure he didn’t believe what he was saying, but his spin was amusing to read.

  25. jason says:

    Should say what they perceive as in their best interest.

  26. jason says:

    I am willing to bet almost everyone that says “I don’t agree with the Dems but will vote for a socialist to get rid of Trump” is a Dem to begin with.

  27. janz says:

    Why don”t you ask your wife, bitter, to massage your ailing shoulder/arm?

  28. Wes says:

    I haven’t seen Trump lose any supporters in Eastern NC. I have, however, seen intensified opposition to him from both Hillary supporters and voters who didn’t vote for either.

    For example, Tink has become rabidly anti-Trump after refusing to vote for either in 2016.

    I will be voting for Trump after I left the presidential line blank in 2016. That said, I’m not at all passionate about him, and I have come across no one else who’s made a similar shift.

  29. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife tried. It did not help. She said go get a massage. She gets them regularly.

    I am not trying to bait Wes. While I do not think highly of Wes’ profession, I am sure he is a very professional and skilled practitioner.

  30. DW says:

    With the Mets stinking so badly Alonso is getting a lot of good pitches to hit. Team trailing 6-0 as if often the case, so the pitcher just throws it right down the middle.

    30 homers before the All star break for the Mets rookie.

  31. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Even Maureen Dowd, in her NYT love paean to Pelosi, admits the Democratic debate was a disaster:

    “The speaker, who is trying to keep the party center left, must know that getting Trump out of office is a goal that could be jeopardized by the fact that the Democrats lurched so far left in the first debates, with bilingual pandering and talk about busing and decriminalizing illegal border crossings and abolishing private health insurance.”

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    31. At this point, after making clowns of themselves, the Democratic midget candidates are all scurrying for cover. Biden should be able to capitalize on the situation; which will last until he once again shows he is mentally cloudly. This is not going well for the Democrats, and the polls are reflecting it. Its time for Hillary to announce and really muck things up.

  33. Wes says:

    Bitter, tell your wife to press her thumb into the center of the afflicted area. Then take a deep breath through your nose and count to 10. At 10, have her release and wait 10 seconds. Then repeat twice.

    That won’t completely alleviate the pain, but it should take the edge off. A full treatment will be much more in depth, but that should help make the pain more bearable.

  34. Bitterlaw says:

    DW – Baseball is a strange game. The Marlins are the worst team in the NL but own the Phillies. The Phillies have gone 6-1 against the Mets in the past 2 weeks.

    Alonso is a beast at the plate. Not great in the field yet.

  35. mnw says:

    I’ve seen the BK/Wes “massage” exchanges before, many times. I still suspect that BL giggles every time he gets a rise out of Wes about this.

    The problem with right-leaning, pro-Orange blogs & sites such as Powerline & Ace of Spades is, they are Disneyland for conspiracy theorists! Drives me nuts. I’d rather spend time with a really aggressive life insurance salesman.

    “The DEMs & the GOPe work together with the msm & big business to rig nominations & steal elections. Unknown powerful interests control every aspect of our lives. Everything you see and read is fake news. ALL of it. We are just helpless ants being trampled by elephants.” That about covers it.

  36. mnw says:

    sb “BL/Wes”

  37. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Wes.

  38. Cash Cow TM says:

    Moving sucks more than vacuuming.

    This Cow is dog tired.

    Can’t wait til tomorrow when I get to just sit and harass the mover guys while having a tall glass of cold milk.

  39. Tina says:

    Bl, can you try chiro or acupuncture?

  40. Tina says:


    Yes, it sucks.

    Another reason why I won’t move from Sf to a red state.

    Well that, and prop 13.

  41. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Keep in mind Tina that repealing Proposition 13 is on the Democratic radar screen. They are trying to decide how to word the voter initiative that will lead to its repeal, since it can only be repealed by the voters as it was passed by an initiative.

  42. MikeP says:

    Hey Walt and Cow,

    I just came back to the HHR, I hear you are moving to MO. With your history in WV I am surprised you would. Is it to be closer to kids?

  43. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Tina its important if you live in California to have an exit plan. The first phase of getting rid of Proposition 13 likely will be on the ballot in 2020, and be aimed primarily at commercial properties. If that wins, there will then be an attempt to repeal the whole initiative.

  44. Phil says:

    I don’t give a flying F about soccer so I didn’t watch the woman’s match today. Can’t stay awake. First time in my life I ever was hoping the US would lose an international match.

  45. lisab says:

    37 people i know, who have NEVER voted for a republican before, and have ALWAYS voted for every democrat in every election since 1776 …

    have told me they will vote for trump in 2020

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    lisab killed the thread.

  47. Tgca says:

    Bitter. I just had shoulder surgery by an excellent sports orthopedic surgeon with offices in Center City Philly and Cherry Hill. He repaired a badly torn rotator cuff and cut out arthritic bone spurs and alleviated severe inflammation. I’m seeing him tomorrow for my follow-up. My physical therapy will start now.

    I’ve suffered from shoulder pain in both shoulders for well over a decade and have taken the max cortisone injections so surgery was my only option not w, as I had limited range and constant throbbing pain from the elbow up through the neck.

    Be a man! Go see a real ortho Dr. and don’t listen to any doctors or nurses or anyone else that is not a specialist in shoulder or orthopedics because chances are they do not know what they’re talking about and your condition may exacerbate if you wait too long. This comes from someone who has had over half a dozen orthopedic surgeries and been to dozens of medical professionals over the years whom many were not experienced enough to appropriately diagnose my condition so now I only go to ortho surgeons that specialize in specific areas and that are highly rated.

  48. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    45. “37 people i know, who have NEVER voted for a republican before…”

    Its amazing how many people you get to know at foam parties.

  49. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Same story as all the other polls. Biden steals some republicans away from Trump.

    But Trump is still a loser to every other Dem candidate with only a slightly higher top-line. It’s just that the other candidates don’t have enough name recognition.

    Trump’s only chance is to get a Dem candidate with worst favorables than he has which is almost impossible without Hillary running.

    So we have 18 months until our national nightmare is over.

  50. jason says:

    Proud Marxist Obamacon hardest hit

    “ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Conservative opposition leader Kyriakos Mitsotakis comfortably won Greece’s parliamentary elections Sunday, delivering a stinging blow to leftist Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras after a tumultuous four years in office as the country struggled through a crippling financial crisis.

    With more than 90% of votes counted, Mitsotakis’ New Democracy party had 39.8% of the votes, compared to 31.5% for Tsipras’ left-wing Syriza party.”

  51. lisab says:

    the dems should consider going off the board and nominating someone seen as somewhat centrist like biden,

    but younger, like a roy cooper or tim walz

  52. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Another clown joins the Democratic circus. Tom Steyer is reportedly going to announce his candidacy for president. He claims to be fervent environmentalist. Here is how he earned his money:

    “What Steyer didn’t mention is that his fossil fuel investments had already helped him amass a billion dollar fortune.

    According to Reuters, under Steyer’s watch, Farallon built up more than $2 billion worth of coal interests in Indonesia and Australia, contributing to the rapid development of coal production in both countries. Profits from these investments made his fund one of the world’s biggest and him one of the world’s richest individuals.

    In Indonesia, he financed the country’s second and fifth largest coal producers, ramping up their production some 60 percent over the next few years. According to David Price, a senior coal analyst at the consultancy IHS, these investments were key to raising Indonesia’s coal production, which increased four-fold between 2002 and 2012, making it the largest coal exporter in the world.

    In Australia, he made Farallon the largest shareholder of Whitehaven Coal, which is developing Maules Creek, one of the country’s largest remaining coal reserves. Due to start production in 2015, environmentalists are crying foul over the potential impact on the environment.

    Thanks to big production increases and skyrocketing coal prices, Steyer, Farallon, and its clients generated a huge return on investment. This capital helped Farallon amass a $19 billion portfolio, nine percent of which is still invested in energy according to its regulatory filings. A former Farallon investor says that Steyer’s investment principles were consistent with most financiers: [H]is attitude has always been ‘whatever it will take to make money.’”

  53. Wes says:

    In no way is Roy Cooper a moderate? He does present that image, but he’s governed as a typical liberal as Governor. Dems would never let him run for Governor because he wouldn’t be guaranteed to deliver NC’s EVs and would make Republicans all but certain to take back the NC State House if he dropped his bid for re-election.

    Waltz would be a possibility if he were interested as MN is more liberal than NC. Plus, he would have a free shot at the White House and wouldn’t have to worry about having a Republican replace him.

  54. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Ex-GOP Rep. Scott Taylor will run for the Senate in VA.
    Any thoughts?

  55. Wes says:

    Taylor Lost because as DW can tell you, he didn’t take his race seriously. I’d rather have Nick Freitas run. He would have been competitive had Stewart not won the primary last year.

  56. jason says:

    But Trump is still a loser to every other Dem candidate with only a slightly higher top-line. It’s just that the other candidates don’t have enough name recognition.”

    The troll’s theory is the more you learn about the Dem’s proposals the more you will be inclined to vote for them?

  57. jason says:

    Same story as all the other polls. Biden steals some republicans away from Trump.”

    So far the only “Republican” I have heard of that would vote for Biden is Amoral Scumbag.

    More Democrats will vote for Trump than Republicans will vote for Biden, bet on it.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean Trump will win, the election won’t be decided by Republicans or Democrats.

  58. DW says:

    55 – Wes, exactly right. I even contacted the Taylor campaign to find out what I could do to volunteer my time to help. I never received a reply.

  59. Tina says:

    I think you forgot the Clinton Groupie.

    “So far the only “Republican” I have heard of that would vote for Biden is Amoral Scumbag.”

  60. Tina says:

    Paging Piglosi

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    · 19h
    “I know that, like every woman of the people, I have more strength than I appear to have.”

    – Evita Perón (link:…
    Show this thread

  61. DW says:

    “I know that, like every woman of the people, I have more strength than I appear to have.”

    That sounds like Daffy Duck threatening a gangster 10 times his size with the famous quip: “Oh yeah? YOU might be BIG, but I am SMALL!!”

  62. Phil says:

    AOC is more like Joan of Arc. I saw it on CNN.

  63. jason says:

    I think you forgot the Clinton Groupie.”

    Who, Corey?

    Corey is a sanctimonious ass who still hasn’t forgiven Trump for trashing Jeb, but I don’t think he will vote for Biden.

    That doesn’t mean he doesn’t prefer a socialist to Trump, he does.

    Corey is not a big picture type of guy.

    I am sure he will be here talking about how Biden is a compromising non-ideological moderate like he described Hillary if Biden is nominated.

  64. jason says:

    Trump tweeted that Fox News is worse than CNN.

    It isn’t. Shep Smith and some of the contributors are left wing, but they have a whole line up of Trump supporters, including Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Pirro and Fox and Friends.

    A fine example of how while I think Trump should continue to tweet, I don’t agree with all of them.

  65. jason says:

    Freitas lost a primary to Corey Stewart, so I am not so sure he is that great a candidate.

    Taylor probably thought he had the race won, which is a mistake, but it doesn’t disqualify him from running for the Senate.

    In any case, either one will be the underdog, but at least it won’t be an embarrassment like the deadender.

  66. jason says:

    “The dems should consider going off the board and nominating someone seen as somewhat centrist like biden,

    but younger, like a roy cooper or tim walz”

    They should nominate Bullock or Hickenlooper. Then put non-moonbat Dem woman on the ticket if they can find one, not Warren or Harris.

    Fortunately, it won’t happen.

  67. jason says:

    I would send Steyer a check, except he is already a billionaire.

  68. mnw says:


    Good luck with the shoulder recovery. You’ve certainly gone through a lot.

  69. mnw says:

    RAS is 50/49 & -6 today. 3 points better than Zero on this date in 2011.

    I don’t like the Epstein thing, but I assume if Trump had had sex with underage girls circa 2002, the DEMs would’ve shared that with us by now.

    At any given time, I dunno who the Sec Labor even is. This time, thx to Epstein, I DO know, & Trump should’ve fired him a year ago; six months ago; yesterday & RIGHT NOW.

  70. Tina says:

    President Trump has created more than 6 million new jobs. According to these stats, half of these jobs went to minorities. (Note article on 7/4, before latest job numbers)

  71. Tina says:

    Trump had nothing to do with Epstein.

    He never traveled to “orgy island” or was on board the Lolita express (the airplane belonging to Epstein,

    He was a cooperating witness (never subpoenaed) for the prosecutor. The prosecutor maintains that trump was not involved and he helped the case immensely.

    Bj and Her Thighness traveled to “orgy” island and bj had over 20 documented rides on the Lolita express. On 5 occasions, bj ditched the secret service.

  72. Tina says:

    Mnw, you do raise a valid question about Acosta and the role of Mulehead in this.

    Seems like Mulehead, then Fib Director, and other politicos gave Epstein a free pass.

  73. jason says:

    Actual Yahoo Headline:

    Michelle Obama and her natural curls, and people are loving it.

  74. jason says:


    John Nolte:

    The Fake News Media Is the Only Shrinking Institution in America’s Booming Economy

    “Before 2019 is over, there will be upwards of 12,000 job cuts within the American media. That’s 12,000 fewer Democrat foot soldiers; 12,000 fewer propagandists, serial liars, cheerleaders, and toadies to hold Antifa’s jacket as they beat elderly Trump supporters to death with crowbars.

    Every industry in Trump’s America is expanding and thriving … except for the media.”

    The MSM is group think with one point of view.

    Why have a lot of people saying the same thing, right?

  75. jason says:

    Evan Bayh wants Dem candidates to be “realistic”

    “Support among many of the 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls of government health care for undocumented immigrants may prove damaging in the eventual race against President Donald Trump, former Sen. Evan Bayh told CNBC on Monday.

    “That particular position may come back to haunt them in the general election,” said the Indiana Democrat who also served as governor of his state. “It’s nice to be able to promise some of these things, but they have got to be realistic.”

  76. mnw says:


    There are some reports today that Trump DID travel on E’s private jet one time. Also, the little bastid SJWs are marching in front of the U.S. CoUrthouse in Manhattan with big posters of Trump & Epstein.

  77. jason says:

    MSM reporting Epstein “friend of Bill Clinton and Trump”…


  78. Tina says:

    Smallwell to exit race?

  79. Tina says:

    Mnw, he travelled on a plane owned or charged by Epstein’s brother.

    Trump,went from Florida to NY.

  80. jason says:

    Flash flood in DC, even the WH is reportedly flooding.

    The swamp has overflowed.

  81. Tina says:


  82. jason says:

    We have to stop these leaks at the WH, says AOC.

  83. jason says:

    I bet Epstein has a lot more dealings with Dems than with Trump.

    Bill Clinton is probably making some phone calls right now to let sleeping dogs lie.

  84. jason says:

    Btw, what happened with those “rape” charges against Trump?

    The MSM backed off after the “victim” stated all women fantasize about rape and being hit with a club and dragged into a cave?

  85. Tina says:

    Som drats going on hoax 2.0:

    1. Barr’s father hired Epstein at Dalton.
    2. Trump accused of raping children at Epstein townhouse.
    3. Epstein’s former employee corroborates rape.
    (Do they mean Ghislane Maxwell?)
    4. Alex Acosta shuts down investigation into multiple rape accusations.
    5. Trump appoints Acosta Labor Sec and Barr AG.

  86. Tina says:

    Jack Posobiec ??
    SCOOP: Epstein’s lawyer has already made a proffer to SDNY. Epstein will agree to cooperate with the investigation, including giving up the names of individuals that paid for activities with underage girls in exchange for a maximum sentence not to exceed 5 years –

  87. Waingro says:

    “Deadender” (at this point) Kobach enters KS Senate race. He probably would still win that seat should he win the nomination, but I rather he not put this seat in play, given his unpopularity in Kansas.

  88. Wes says:

    Jason, Freitas narrowly lost to a guy with much higher name ID from the most populous area of the state who outspent Freitas and had Dems vote for him because with no contested primary Dems could cross over and help Stewart win.

    As far as Taylor, he knew Stewart was dragging the whole ticket down and still tried to coast even as the situation deteriorated. I’m not sure how that means Taylor would be a worthwhile Senate candidate.

  89. NYCmike says:

    -Heh……I know many people who have done this in the same nighborhood, as it is my neighborhood.

    These Democrats are pigs!

  90. Wes says:

    Kobach Lost by 5% despite having split opposition and carrying 3 of 4 congressional districts.

    The KSGOP can do better.

  91. Wes says:

    Well, Mikey now has two Senate candidates: Garland Tucker (NC) and Kris Kobach (KS).

    He will endorse Schumer’s next preferred GOP Senate candidate too.

  92. NYCmike says:

    “He will endorse Schumer’s next preferred GOP Senate candidate too.”

    -And Bitterlaw will receive a massage from that person.

  93. NYCmike says:

    What was the final judgment – are tariffs levied by the WTO a good thing?

  94. jason says:

    What was the final judgment – are tariffs levied by the WTO a good thing?”


    Only those levied by Trump are good.

  95. jason says:

    Deadender” (at this point) Kobach enters KS Senate race. He probably would still win that seat should he win the nomination, but I rather he not put this seat in play, given his unpopularity in Kansas.”

    At this point? LOL

  96. jason says:

    Yep, another Mikey Maneuver coming.

  97. jason says:

    There was good news all around in the Greek elections.

    The far left was defeated, but so was the far right nationalist “Golden Dawn” party, which did much worse than previously, only got 3.5% of the vote.

    I would like to see Europe turn away from both the far left and far right and support traditional mainstream center right parties like New Democracy, which won the Greek elections.

  98. mnw says:

    I’m hoping that the “Trump rapes children at Epstein townhouse” allegation has already been investigated way back when, circa 2002.

    God knows the DEMs/msm would’ve trounced on that previously, if they thought it would stick.

  99. NYCmike says:

    So jason wants the United States to go after other countries with legal notices…….but won’t support the decision by the legal authority in the case…….OR……is too chickensh*t to answer the question.

    Got it.

  100. NYCmike says:

    Alex Morgan, and the other athletes looked pretty good twerking on each other in the winning locker room……..reminds me of when the Yankees won the World Series and were all gyrating on each other……

  101. NYCmike says:

    Can’t wait for the networks to breathlessly replay tapes of the World Series champs playing “Ride ’em cowboy” in the winning dressing room.

  102. mnw says:

    100 Mike


    Btw, the WTO can’t impose sanctions at all, even after a finding of unfair trade practices in violation of WTO treaty obligations. All the WTO CAN do is authorize the aggrieved party to… impose SANCTIONS, i.e., exactly what it has done in the Airbus subsidies case.

    The WTO is almost universally considered a toothless, dilatory tiger, even by the EU. Most first world nations have called for WTO reorganization & reform, but… U.N. Frequently, nations simply ignore its final decisions.


    I’m surprised that E has proffered & agreed to plead. I would’ve thought he had a strong argument that his previous plea agreement barred further fed prosecution, i.e., commonly called a “worldwide plea agreement provision.” If not, I wonder why his attys didn’t insist on that at the time? I haven’t read up on it. I did see where some DOJ attys asserted that further fed prosecutions are barred, however.

  103. mnw says:

    I hadn’t realized Dershowitz represented Epstein on the FL fed case in 2007. I doubt Dershowitz would have subsequently risen to Trump’s defense on obstruction & collusion, if he knew or suspected that Trump was a child sex predator.

    I’m still greatly confused as to whether the new case against E can even be brought, given his previous plea agreement.

  104. Waingro says:

    “Deadender” (at this point) Kobach enters KS Senate race. He probably would still win that seat should he win the nomination, but I rather he not put this seat in play, given his unpopularity in Kansas.”

    “At this point? LOL”

    LOL. I wasn’t sure if he had the duly certified HHR “Deadender” stamp as of yet.

  105. Tina says:

    Mnw, the plea agreement only applied to Florida, that is what they indicated?

    Btw, comedy’s daughter is a prosecutor on the case,

  106. jason says:

    So jason wants the United States to go after other countries with legal notices…….but won’t support the decision by the legal authority in the case…….OR……is too chickensh*t to answer the question.”

    I guess NYC can’t read the word “no”.

    I answered the question “no”.

    I don’t support tariffs even if Jesus Christ ordered them.

    And in any case the WTO decision has nothing to do with Trump’s trade wars. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

    However, if the AFL-CIO conservatives agree to submit Trump’s tariffs to the WTO for their decision, by all means, let’s do it.

    After all, if they agree the WTO needs to “authorize” tariffs, let’s see if they authorize Trump.

    I am willing to wait 15 years for the decision, no problem. In the interim, the rest of us will promote free trade.

  107. mnw says:

    106 Tina

    I think that’s in dispute. I’ve never seen a federal plea agreement that restricts prosecution to crimes committed in a particular state! Usually, the boilerplate reads (appx, going just from memory), “the parties agree and acknowledge that this plea agreement shall not bar further prosecution for offenses committed elsewhere.” I assume from reading the stories that E’d PA didn’t include that boilerplate..

    Alternatively, there IS a provision called “a worldwide prosecution provision” which DOES bar prosecutions in other districts, but that is usually found in CORPORATE plea agreements. You rarely see that in an individual defendant’s plea agreement.

    As for Comey’s daughter, that concerns me not at all. I once tried a case where the case agent (police officer) sat beside me at counsel table, which is standard procedure. My old office had sent the case agent’s father to fed prison a few years prior to the trial.. So what? DOJ attys don’t care what your FATHER did!

    The msm is all over claiming Trump’s presidency is in peril now because of E. Breitbart has a good summary of all their bullish*t.

  108. Tina says:

    Yeah probably will be disputed , mnw. I tried finding the link. But it came from the settlement agreeement? Will keep,digging for it.

    On the WSJ artifcle that I linked to:

    “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade for lower-skilled workers, and unemployment among less-educated Americans and minorities is near a record low.”

    High school unemployment is in the 3s.

  109. mnw says:

    When it comes to trade wars, our jason is a Code Pink pacifist. Just lie there & TAKE it– even if they try to kill you.

    Did I misstate anything, jason? Unilateral disarmament & no resistance, right?

    Says quo ante tariffs was good & what we need to return to, right?

  110. mnw says:

    110 sb “status quo ante”

  111. lisab says:

    “In no way is Roy Cooper a moderate? He does present that image”

    as i said, like biden but younger

    biden is no moderate, but his image is blue collar joe

  112. lisab says:

    i think trump had epsyein banned from his resorts

  113. lisab says:

    Biden: Russian Election Interference Would Not Have Happened “On My Watch And Barack’s Watch”

  114. Tina says:

    CNN’s David Gregory called out Joe Biden on Russian interference, noting that the Obama-Biden Admin’s watch is “exactly whose watch it happened on.”

    Gregory said that Biden looks “out of touch,” “out of step” and is making “lot’s of mistakes.”

  115. lisab says:

    do you think the epstein story will have a happy ending?

  116. lisab says:

    they say he has so much dirt on the clintons that he may commit suicide soon.

  117. Phil says:

    Biden looks really old and there is no doubt he’s lost a step….or two.

    Recognizing it is really early, it might be time to at least consider the eventual possibility of Trump vs Harris or Trump vs Warren in the states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania for all the marbles.

    Personally, I’d like to see Trump vs Harris. I don’t see her sweeping those three states which is about what it would take unless you would somehow think she wins Florida or NC.

  118. Tgca says:

    Uno! Uno! Nueve!

  119. Wes says:

    NC has become heavily GOP since 2010. We would need a worse situation than 2008 for Dems to win here.

    As far as FL, the Sunshine State has trended solidly GOP as well. It was the only state Trump didn’t win by double digits to oust a fairly popular Dem Senator last year. Only the FLSC judicialmander helped Dems gain in the FLCD. Although I’m not backing off saying Trump will lose, I think FL is trending in a direction Dems will find to be antithetical to their chances of winning statewide, much as NC has.

    As detailed in various articles linked on here, Trump’s own internals have him underwater in the Midwestern states, bearing out the irritant he has become in those states as evidenced by 2018. That’s why I expect him to lose next year.

  120. Tina says:

    lisab, it is concerning that Bj went to orgy island 26 times on the Lolita Express and ditched his secret service detail at least 5 times.

    Going rogue for a happy ending.

  121. mnw says:

    “Nude pictures of minors found in Epstein’s NY home.”

    OK, that would be “possession of child erotica,” probably. Prosecutor would need to prove prurient intent, i.e., not like a photo of a new baby on a bearskin rug, for example.

    It’s not much of a charge, so you rarely see it included in a fed indictment, unless the gov t just wants to let the jury know the def is a bad person, to help get a conviction on the more serious charges (yes, this is done all the time).

    However, if E had some hardcore CP in that house as well as nude photos… possible life sentence, depending on how the CP was transmitted/conveyed.

  122. Tina says:

    There always seems to be a comedy or a McCabe protecting a Clintune somewhere in gubment,

  123. Tina says:

    It seems like they are focusing on human trafficking of minors.

    Seems like there is a supersceeding indictment coming soon.

  124. Tina says:

    Or Lisab, as Collin Powell would say, bj is still d*ck*ng bimbos.

  125. mnw says:

    Post 122 sb…

    I didn’t explain that well at all. “child erorica” IS child porno if, but only if, it includes lascivious display of a child’s genitalia.

  126. lisab says:

    apparently 1000’s of nude photos

    catergorized into various kinds

    he will likely never get out.

    one rumor that has been floated is that he is so far gone his only deal is which prison he goes to, not ncluding club fed, and that he has no hope of pleading down to say 19 years or less

  127. lisab says:

    is it possible the obama’s want michelle in 2024?

    she would have a free run

  128. mnw says:

    lisab & Tina

    If he had “1000s of nude photos” of minors, what are the odds he DIDN’T have some of minors engaged in sex acts?

    (I love these stories, because we get to talk dirty, & it’s all perfectly respectable!)

  129. lisab says:

    well obviously the leftists think trump was heavily involved with epstein

    they keep saying that they don’t care if clinton goes down if trump goes down too

  130. lisab says:

    rumor is the pictures were

    “young with ”

    so they might be his blackmail folder, e.g. young tatania with bill clinton

  131. lisab says:

    sorry, that did not print … supposedly the cds were labeled things like

    “young (insert name) with (insert name)”


    young tatania with bill clinton

  132. lisab says:

    of course i have no idea if bill clinton is one of the people

    i suspect if he is, the case will be broomed

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t support tariffs even if Jesus Christ ordered them.

    Tina and NYC would not accept a Jesus tariff. He is a lesser being than Trump.

  134. Bitterlaw says:

    Did Wes put his house up for sale yet? As a North Carolina resident, he condones Gov. Cooper even if he did not vote for him.*

    *Wes’ logic

  135. Phil says:

    Wes, I suspect if a Kamala Harris type sweeps the midwestern rust belt states you and I will need to find another hobby besides politics because it means the country has reached the tipping point and is gone. There won’t be much use following future electoral politics. Future Elections will be a foregone conclusions.

    Free healthcare for illegals, busing, getting rid of private healthcare insurance, free everything funded by massive tax increases is a bridge to far IMO. If we have reached the point where that kind of a radical agenda in not a bridge too far we can forget about it.

    I don’t see working class whites climbing aboard that agenda. If so, this country that we know and love is no more. Now if you are saying that the Trump coalition is now smaller than the Democratic coalition and lacks the math to win in the Midwest than that is something else but it also means the country has reached the tipping point.

    Unless Trump is running against a Biden he isn’t facing a center left Democrat. He is facing someone running on a far left agenda across the board. I would like to think that makes a difference. If it no longer does we’re done.

  136. Wes says:

    At best Cooper is an eight-year proposition, Bitter. Menendez is permanent.

    Cooper can also lose while Spartacus and Scumbag have no chance of ever delivering concession speeches despite helping illegals cross the border and raping underage sex slaves respectively.

  137. jason says:

    Did I misstate anything, jason? Unilateral disarmament & no resistance, right?”

    Translation: mww would take a rake and a shovel on a fishing trip.

  138. jason says:

    I just checked out the CNN site online.

    Their headline is about Biden vs. Harris.

    The Epstein story does not say much about Trump, but there is a part about Clinton denying he knew anything about any crimes, and that he took 4 trips with Epstein on his plane and visited his apartment in connection with “work on the Clinton Foundation” but nothing bad happened.

  139. jason says:

    However, on Wikipedia, they are busy trying to edit out connections to Clinton.

    “Upon clicking on Epstein’s bio, you’ll be treated to various facts about his life, such as the fact that he was good friends with Clinton, as well as disgraced actor and sexual assaulter Kevin Spacey. In fact, it details that Clinton had been on Epstein’s private plane 26 times.

    Or at least that’s what you would have seen if you had pulled up Epstein’s page at around 8:30 this morning. According to some eagle eyed Twitter users, the page was edited sometime between then and 10:30 this morning with the connections to Clinton and Spacey now completely gone.”

  140. Paul says:

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  141. Paul says:

    Fuik you LISAB> FUYK YOU LISAB AND TINA>>>ASSDFJKsjldkfh;lsdjkahasdf

  142. Paul says:

    Taking names and I’m armed. gonna save them..

  143. Paul says:

    They’ve lost all values of human life. GOnna take them all o0ut. thnake them out take them iout
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  144. NYCmike says:

    #142 & #144 may be the most understandable things Paul has ever said.

  145. Paul says:

    We’re going all the way to San JOSE fsaddfkljalsdkhfjkahsdkjlvsl;advklsdnfvlkasnd

  146. Paul says:

    We shared our umbrella. FU

  147. Paul says:

    Bus stop, wet day
    She’s there, I say

  148. Paul says:

    Break on through to the other side. and askfldjldkfhaTERUMP.

  149. Tina says:


    I said I supported the tariff bluff against our corrupt, southern neighbors, who are drug traffickers, cartel lovers, and smugglers.

    Turns out it is working.

    I supported it since while I believe in strong border enforcement, the chamber of commerce Republicans do not, they are open borders and bought off by the ugly troll of that group. The chamber is not promoting us interests, they are promoting Mexican and Chinese bizness.

    Give me border wall, deportations, ez verify, and more border guards, then I would not be for those tariffs.

    Pretty simple.

  150. Tina says:

    Paul = Drunk Correeeee from Canada.

    Btw, how is the prime minister and his fake eyebrows doing?

  151. mnw says:


    If you read the above posts, “Trump is a f**k**g child rapist!”, and feed that troll EVEN ONE WORD, ever again, then u are God’s own fool.

    I realize that troll is one of BL’s “clients,” & that “he has opinions just like the rest of us.” So… feed him if u want a lot more “Trump is a F*****g child rapist!”

  152. Paul says:

    My son has autism and I’m drunk. The smell of life greets me like a sunset awaiting no one but the trees.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In support of what mnw said, remember —

    “Addressing comments to other commentators just reinforces their desire to be noticed.”

    Don’t respond to trolls.

  154. Paul says:

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  155. lisab says:


    i have no idea who is on the epstein list

    however, i did hear a year or so ago, that back in the day epstein was at mar-a-lago, and started bothering a young woman there … i don’t recall the details, she may have been a waitress? not sure , but she was young, about 18.

    trump supposedly had epstein thrown out and banned from his properties from then on.

    he also was a prosecutor’s witness

    so i am thinking that he probably is not going to be in trouble.

  156. lisab says:

    however, the leftists definitely think he (trump) is going down

    they keep saying over and over, something like

    “the right thinks we care if clinton is guilty. if trump going down means that clinton also goes down so be it”

    however, the likelihood only clinton is in any possibility of trouble

  157. lisab says:

    the prosecutor is comey’s daughter

    so the chance clinton goes down is about zero

    unless evidence is released that the public gets to read for themselves

  158. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have to give Obama credit for a comment he once made:

    Barack Obama once asked: “How many times is Biden gonna say something stupid?”

  159. Paul says:

    I’m a sinner in the hands of an angry God and redeemed by the robotici sicienitist.
    David Bowie has loved us ey go a message afor us. Ground control to major tom. No Now pray like you’ve never prayed before.

  160. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For some reason I am thinking of this song right now.

  161. Paul says:

    When I was a child I had a fever. My hands felt like two balloons.

  162. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Yesterday in my neighborhood we had a screaming homeless guy come out of the park, he approached two women who ran from him, then flipped over the trash can outside the store on my block. Several of us went after him, and the police came and got him. Hopefully he accepted treatment and has not been released.

    Crazy people need to know when they need to get help.

  163. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    156. Trump may have been one of the few people who actually took on Epstein. If its true, then assume trump will soon hit back hard. It does appear Epstein got banned from Trump’s business.

  164. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Daily Caller:

    “Bradley Edwards, a lawyer who represented Jefferey Epstein’s victims, stated in court documents that Trump had barred Epstein from his Mar-A-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.”

    Neither Trump nor Mar-A-Lago have confirmed that Epstein had been banned from the club.”

  165. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So Trump banned Epstein, while Bill Clinton banned the Secret Service from traveling with him on several flights with Epstein.

    From Fox News:

    “Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed. The U.S. Secret Service has declined to answer multiple Freedom of Information Act requests filed by seeking information on these trips. Clinton would have been required to file a form to dismiss the agent detail, a former Secret Service agent told
    Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.
    “Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of a book on the Epstein case called “TrafficKing.” “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?””

    Any bets on whether Anthony Weiner soon will appear in this story?

  166. lisab says:


    i heard that story about trump a year or so ago

    however, the leftists are convinced that while it will probably also take down clinton

    more importantly it will cause trump to be arrested

    not that i am saying this, but this is what is being said on leftist sites

  167. lisab says:

    do you know who else was a friend of epstein?

    john mccain

    don’t know if he went on any trips though

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    Nice dodge, Wes. You hold me responsible for Menendez in a state I left in 1994.

  169. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina Never Ran – So you support tariffs. You could have saved the rest of your words. I also support e-verify, securing the border, and deporting illegals but I do not support tariffs. That is the difference between us.

  170. mnw says:


    I feel like a piñata. I keep trying to explain that AUSAs are interchangeable, & we PRIDE ourselves on that.

    Try to let go of “Comey’s daughter will dump the Epstein case,” OK? Just let go.

    I get called a naive fool for trying to explain that at AoS (Ace of Spades) & Powerline.

    Fed prosecutors don’t take bribes, or drop indicted cases for political reasons. DOES NOT HAPPEN. I can name you maybe a dozen fairly well known cases in which fed prosecutors got in trouble for professional misconduct, by trying too hard to CONVICT defendants! Sen.Ted Stevens is one example that everybody knows of, among many. There are lots of others. Failure to disclose exculpatory evidence is the usual culprit that ruins careers.

    BUT… I can not name a single case in which a fed prosecutor has EVER gotten in trouble for trying to lose a case on purpose. I challenge anyone to cite me to such a case.

  171. lisab says:

    maureen comey is a “progressive prosecutor”

    she was/is one of the prosecutors going after trump

    anything else will be broomed

    she has the option to not prosecute anything she doesn’t want

    and i am sure she wants revenge for her father

  172. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Following a 2018 financial settlement between Florida attorney Bradley Edwards – who represented one of Epstein’s accusers, only to be later sued by Epstein, Edwards claimed that Donald Trump was the ‘only person’ who provided assistance when Edwards served subpoenas and notices to high-profile individuals connected to Epstein.”

  173. Wes says:

    As I recall, Bitter, you’re the one expressing hatred of the South because of accents and a saying. You never express similar sentiments about New Jersey despite the fact that one of that state’s highest ranking officials is a known corrupt child molester.

    Indeed, you actually want to own property there.

    I must be weird because I find corruption and child molestation more loathsome than accents and hearing “Bless your heart.”

    Each to his own though.

  174. jason says:

    Tina Never Ran – So you support tariffs”

    Bitter, the tariff loving AFL-CIO conservatives don’t support tariffs, they are against “predatory” trade practices. If you don’t support trade wars, you must be, as mnw puts it, for the “status quo” and for “unilateral disarmament”.

    Somewhat like if you object to treating cancer with gasoline pills you must be in favor of cancer and letting patients die without treatment.

  175. jason says:

    the prosecutor is comey’s daughter

    so the chance clinton goes down is about zero

    unless evidence is released that the public gets to read for themselves”

    The danger for Clinton is not that this prosecutor will charge him with anything, the case is against Epstein, this is not a “special counsel” investigation.

    The danger is what will come out during discovery or the trial. This is also the danger for Trump too, although if this is a guilt by association type of thing Clinton is by far the most guilty.

  176. jason says:

    I have to agree with mnw regarding Comey’s daughter.

    If she is a career prosecutor, she is not going to jeopardize her career over this case. Also the case will certainly be appealed so you do have to cross your t’s and dot your i’s so to speak.

  177. jason says:

    Indeed, you actually want to own property there.”

    Dang, it seems like the implication here is that Bitter must be in favor of corruption and child molesting if he owns property in NJ.

    I hate having to give away a boatload of points so early in the day.

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    Bless your heart, Wes. Ocean City, NJ is 1 1/2 hours from my house. It has a long boardwalk. It is the ONLY beach that has those 2 characteristics which I consider critical. Atlantic City is nearby but mostly a slum with casinos. Ocean City also is a dry town so no wild bars. People drink, of course, but they have to buy it in another town.

  179. Tina says:

    I am not sure why Clintune would lie about the number of trips he took on the Lolita Express to Orgy Island with Epstein. Each time, with underage girls on board.

    This is a good interview on the matter from Shannon Bream, Fox News, and the investigative reporter, Conchita Sarnoff.

  180. Tina says:

    Look for the whale and other so called “Real” Republicans to front for Bj later.

    The whale tweeted back in 2/17 that Acosta (now a cabinet secretary) was clean as a whistle. Now, the whale wants Acosta to be fired.

  181. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    “Cocaine” Mitch(R-KY) gets a Democrat opponent, the overrated Liberal, Amy McGrath, who lost a KY House seat last year because she was despised in the rural part of her district.
    Of course, she announced her candidacy on Morning Joe, not in KY.

  182. Wes says:

    If you’d read my post, Jason, you’d have seen I was needling Bitter for saying the South is anathema to him because of accents and the above phrase.

    Meanwhile, New Jersey elects a corrupt child molester to the Senate and not only gets a pass from him but is some place he wants to own property in.

    The obvious implication is that Bitter draws the line at accents and phrases he doesn’t like but doesn’t bat an eye when faced with a corrupt Senator who rapes underage sex slaves.

    If Bitterlaw’s self-righteous attitude toward the South were consistent then logically New Jersey would elicit more out of him than his febrile “I wanted him convicted. I wanted him to lose” line.

  183. Wes says:

    Mcagrath joins Hegar as a liberal loser from 2018 who wants to “fail up.”

  184. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag to declare McConnell very unpopular in KY and McGrath a “formidable opponent” in 3, 2, 1….

  185. jason says:

    He didn’t mean it.

    “Former vice president Joe Biden exploded at a Democratic Senate colleague for blocking anti-busing legislation in the Judiciary Committee, calling him a ‘dirty bastard’ and a ‘son of a bitch’ during the hearing.”

  186. Bitterlaw says:

    Bless his heart Wes claims I give Menendez a free pass even though I said I wanted him convicted in the criminal case AND defeated in the election.

    I know the schools in the South are inferior but I would expect more from him. Bless his heart.

  187. jason says:

    The obvious implication is that Bitter draws the line at accents and phrases he doesn’t like but doesn’t bat an eye when faced with a corrupt Senator who rapes underage sex slaves.”

    I agree that that is the implication, I just don’t agree with the implication.

  188. jason says:

    wes, I hate grits.

    I think Menendez is a scumbag.

    Both can be true.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes also knows I think pedophile priests should be beheaded in churches on Good Friday. I can’t be specific in my desires for the justice that should be meted out to a US Senator on a blog since I do not want a visit from Federal agents.

  190. Bitterlaw says:

    I actually like grits.

  191. jason says:

    “I am not sure why Clintune would lie about the number of trips he took on the Lolita Express to Orgy Island with Epstein. Each time, with underage girls on board.”

    Me neither. Seems cut and dried to me.

  192. jason says:

    The South has other redeeming qualities. They put salt pork or bacon in their cooked greens, a great invention.

  193. jason says:

    People are friendlier in the South.

    Here the Amish women ignore me, and the men look at me suspiciously. If you greet them they will respond with about 25% of a nod.

    Except for Amos, he will talk to me if he isn’t really busy, which is rare. He calls llamas “English cows”.

  194. John says:

    Holey moley…Justin Verlander just delivered a fastball up and at the head of MLB Commissioner Manfred saying that ‘it’s f…… joke (baseball) because of the balls being ‘juiced up’.

  195. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    With changes since two weeks ago:(H/T: RAYINMA at RRH)

    30 Biden (-4)
    15 Harris (+8), Warren (+1), Sanders (-12)
    5 Buttigieg (-1)
    4 O’Rourke (+3)
    3 Yang (+2)
    2 Booker (-1), Gabbard (+2)
    1 Bennett (+1), Bullock (+1), Gravel, Inslee, Klobuchar, Swalwell (+1)
    0 Castro, Delaney, de Blasio, Gillibrand (-1), Hickenlooper, Messam, Ryan, Sestak, Williamson

    91 Trump (+8)
    9 Weld (-8)

    Trump JA: 44/48 (from 43/48)

    47 Trump-53 Biden (from 45T-55B)
    49 Trump-51 Sanders (from 45T-55S)
    51 Trump-49 Warren (from 47T-53W)
    51 Trump-49 Harris (from 48T-52H)
    51 Trump-49 Buttigieg (from 48T-52B)

  196. jason says:

    NYC to announce he does not drink Scotch so it’s not a tax hike on him in 3, 2, 1… .

    mnw to condemn the predatory trade practices of Scottish distilleries in 3, 2, 1…

    The AFL-CIO conservatives to cheer this latest escalation in the stupid trade wars in 3, 2, 1

    “According to Reuters, several European commodities are slated to be hit with new tariffs, including Scotch whiskey.

    The U.S. Trade Representative’s office released a list of additional products – including olives, Italian cheese and Scotch whiskey – that could be hit with tariffs, on top of products worth $21 billion that were announced in April.

    USTR said it was adding 89 tariff sub-categories to its initial list, including a variety of metals, in response to public comments, but gave no further explanation. Over 40 individuals testified about products included on the initial list at a public hearing on May 15 and 16.

    The United States and the EU have threatened to impose billions of dollars of tit-for-tat tariffs on planes, tractors and food in a nearly 15-year dispute at the World Trade Organization over aircraft subsidies given to U.S. planemaker Boeing Co (BA.N) and its European rival, Airbus SE (AIR.PA).

    This is simply unacceptable. Scotch is good, tariffs (which are essentially taxes that get passed on to the consumer) are bad.

    The Distilled Spirits Council of the United States criticized the Trump administration’s latest tariff threats and warned they would jeopardize U.S. jobs and hurt consumers.

    “We strongly oppose the inclusion of distilled products in the proposed retaliation list,” said spokeswoman Lisa Hawkins.

    “U.S. companies – from farmers to suppliers to retailers – are already being negatively impacted by the imposition of retaliatory tariffs by key trading partners on certain U.S. distilled spirits … and these additional tariffs will only inflict further harm,” she said.

  197. Paul says:

    Most on the left would welcome Clinton being destroyed and in prison if it also meant Trump was removed.

  198. Bitterlaw says:


  199. jason says:

    Most on the left would welcome Clinton being destroyed and in prison if it also meant Trump was removed.”

    For moonbats, the ends always justify the means.

  200. jason says:

    “Four trips? Fox News reported back in 2016 that Clinton ‘was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the ‘Lolita Express’ — even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by”

  201. jason says:

    According to Bill, he just discussed his grandkids with Epstein.

  202. mnw says:

    RAS today 49/51 & -8.

    3 points better than Zero on this date in 2111.

    I see the same troll who posted yesterday that “Trump is a f***** child rapist!:” is back again this morning to share more insights like that.

    Be sure to feed him, because we need that kind of wisdom here.

    Incidentally, I get “moderated” occasionally for commenting about Blues hockey! What kind of filter does Dave have that waves “Trump id a f****** child rapist!” through?

  203. jason says:

    I have explained this before. It’s not the content that gets the “moderated” message, it’s certain words.

    If you can figure out what the offending word is, you can post any content.

  204. Tina says:

    One Drat out, smallwell.

    One new Drat in, Tom Steyer.

  205. jason says:

    mnw, Paul is a small business owner.

    He supports all the absurd and needless regulations that help kill his business.

    He supports artificial hikes in the minimum wage so that he won’t be able to stay open.

    He supports higher taxes on his business in the unlikely event he actually makes any money.

    In the even more unlikely event his business grows and becomes valuable enough to leave to his children, he supports the government taking it instead.

    I don’t want the poor bastard banned, don’t you think he is screwed up enough already?

  206. mnw says:

    Yes, I note u have said that repeatedly. It hasn’t happened in awhile.

    If you can post what that troll you like to chat with posted, what does it take to get BANNED?

  207. Big Joe says:

    Don’t know much about Swallwell other than he was one of the younger candidates. His goal was obviously to get name recognition and experience for future runs so it’s odd he’d drop out so quickly. He must have been in danger of missing the next debate which would have been embarrassing.

    RIP Ross Perot

    Big Joe

  208. jason says:

    I don’t think we should be banning left wingers here.

    AFL-CIO conservatives might be next, slippery slope.

  209. jason says:

    This guy is a loose cannon, but I hope he is right.

    “Former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci sees a landslide re-election for President Donald Trump in 2020, saying on Wednesday that voters will be wary of meddling with the success of Trump’s economic policies.

    Making a wild prediction on CNBC’s “Squawk Box, ” Scaramucci said, “I think he’ll get resoundingly re-elected. He’ll probably have a 40 state landslide, because what are you going to do? You’re going to put a socialist in place and wreck the entire economy?””

  210. Chicon says:

    Yeah, this joint has already lost too many good posters.

  211. jason says:

    If the price of vodka goes up, I won’t be voting for Trump.

    I am willing to sacrifice a lot of principles to vote for him, but that is not one of them.

  212. jason says:

    Yeah, this joint has already lost too many good posters.”


    Btw, where is Mr. Vito?

    I miss that ole sock puppet.

  213. mnw says:

    Code Pink surrender monkey conservatives will be safe, though.

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    We lost many fine posters. We also lost the rational NYCmike when he fell under the spell of Rand Paul around 2012. He stopped being Bronxie.

  215. jason says:


    We want to keep those that believe in free trade, free markets, free enterprise and free exchange of goods and services aka code pink surrender monkeys.

  216. jason says:

    I am already providing brilliant insight on the new thread if anyone is interested.

  217. NYCmike says:


    “Narrative” was a word “Bronxie” used to use……now A-Holes use that word.

    Also, MD, another A-Hole, has abdicated any sense of reason and morality, and seeks to get Democratic candidates elected to office.

    “Bronxie” is alive and well! Look a little bit closer to see who has changed over the years.

    That said, I’ll buy you an egg creme next time you are in NYC.