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Biden Leads Dems in IA, NH and SC

This morning CBS News and YouGov released a slew of “early” battleground primary states for the Democratic primary and in the first three state of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, Joe Biden currently holds a lead in all three states.

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 24%
Bernie Sanders 19%
Elizabeth Warren 17%
Kamala Harris 16%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Amy Klobuchar 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Julian Castro 2%
Tom Steyer 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 27%
Bernie Sanders 20%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Kamala Harris 12%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Tulsi Gabbard 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – SOUTH CAROLINA – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 39%
Bernie Sanders 17%
Elizabeth Warren 12%
Kamala Harris 12%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Cory Booker 3%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

These polls were done July 9-18 among registered Democratic primary/caucus voters in each state. There were other states included in the release and I know I have seen other states in other links, but I figured these were the most important.

Posted by Dave at 4:44 pm
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455 Responses to “Biden Leads Dems in IA, NH and SC”

  1. Wes says:

    Biden seems to be regaining momentum as the other Dems run off a cliff to appease every single far-left constituency.

  2. lisab says:

    the next dem debate as been announced

    biden and harris are on the same night

    sanders and warren are the second night

  3. lisab says:

    biden kissed another young girl on the lips this time

  4. Tgca says:

    Cuatro Bebe! Cuatro!

  5. janz says:

    I agree with wes that Biden seems to be regaining some of the ground he lost. However, I think it may because, out of the dense crowd of dem candidates, he appears to be the least toxic of the group. Other than his more benign platform, IMO, Biden is a terrible potential nominee.

    Even though he and Trump are close in age, Trump is vibrant with seemingly boundless energy, as compared to Biden who is somewhere between listless and lifeless. Biden’s policies also seem vague, and a rehash of Obama’s. There is simply nothing attractive or magnetic about Biden — nothing that rises above dull.

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    Here we go. Naked and Afraid finale!

  7. Bitterlaw says:

    Jane – You overlook the most attractive and magnetic thing about Biden. If he wins, Trump loses. That is going to motivate a lot of people.

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz

  9. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden has clear mentally clarity issues. After his brain surgery for cranial aneurysm in 1988 his surgeons told him he had less than a 50% chance of being completely normal.

    After Biden’s bad performance in the first debate, people were writing him off. The reason he is still the poll favorite is the other Democratic candidates are so far left, they cannot win. There is a hope among Democrats that Biden is sufficiently normal mentally, as he is the candidate who can beat Trump. I think those hopes are going to be dashed. If Biden in his present state gets the nomination; the Republicans will blast him as a senile old man. Trump will savage his mental state in the debates.

  10. Ron N says:

    Biden will be the leader until Sanders and Warren make deal that it can only be one. The only hope Biden has is that they never make that deal other wise he’s toast unless he has another bad debate.

  11. janz says:

    Both Bitter & SDC make good points.

    To beat Trump is the feast de resistance for the dems, which is indeed an ace card for Biden should he win the nomination. But, I think Biden will flail around in any election combat against Trump. If he shows the same intimidated behavior, in the upcoming debate confrontations with Harris, as he did in the first debate how can he assemble his wits against a trump assault?

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – I think Biden did not know how to deal with Harris. He did not want to be seen as attacking a black woman in a Dem debate. He would feel free to go after Trump.

  13. jason says:

    Biden has too much baggage to be very effective against Trump in a debate. He is not a particularly good debater to start with. He and Trump will interrupt and shout at each other. I predict a Trump-Biden debate will be a circus.

  14. John says:

    Here’s another poll that has Biden in the lead…big time…

    Missouri
    Biden 43%
    Warren 15%
    Harris 13%

    https://fox4kc.com/2019/07/15/new-poll-43-of-democratic-primary-voters-in-missouri-favor-joe-biden/

  15. jason says:

    he Republicans will blast him as a senile old man.”

    It worked against McCain, who was neither senile and was like 8 years younger than Biden at the time, thanks to the MSM. But this time the MSM will be out there with stories on how alert and in touch Biden is.

    And you won’t see anything like this:

    “More than a year ago, pollster Andy Kohut and the Pew Research Center asked voters which characteristics might make them more or less likely to vote for a presidential candidate. Few people said they’d be less likely to vote for one who was black or a woman. But half the voters told Kohut they’d be less likely to vote for a candidate in his 70s.

    “A candidate in their 70s registered one of the highest ‘I’d be less likely to vote for’ responses — almost as high as a Muslim or someone who’s never held office or someone who doesn’t believe in God,” Kohut says. “So the initial reaction in general terms about an older person is people are pretty upfront and say they have some reservations about it.”

  16. jason says:

    And of course “in his 70’s” is generous to Biden who will be 78 next year.

  17. jason says:

    Former White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah has joined Fox Corporation as a senior vice president, forming yet another link between President Donald Trump’s administration and the conservative media empire.”

    Hilarious.

    No mention of the “links” between the Obama Administration and the MSM “liberal empire”, which was basically a public relations agent for the WH.

  18. jason says:

    Cory Booker Says Donald Trump is ‘worse than a racist.’

    This is easy to understand, since by current standards any white person who is not a socialist is racist.

    So to differentiate Trump, you have to go beyond “racist”. Maybe Cory can start using “uber racist”

  19. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #19- BL
    Agreed. Think The Falklands!
    Also, when Iran pulled a similar stunt against a US Patrol Boat shortly after the completion of the Nuclear Prrotocol Deal(?), Obama’s inaction and eventual apology to Iran by SOS John Kerry, signaled to the Mullahs that Iran could do anything it wanted while Obama was in office.
    Appeasement NEVER works!

  20. Phil says:

    ‘Worse than a racist”

    Just when you think the left has gone as far as they can go they stake out new frontiers.

    Pass the popcorn.

  21. Wes says:

    That can’t be right, Sheep.

    After Obama and Iran made their deal CCCP—long since departed after his beloved Hillary lost—told us Obama would ensure Iran was nonbelligerent and nonnuclear.

  22. Wes says:

    I was always told racism was the worst aspect a human could have. How can one be “worse than a racist “?

  23. Phil says:

    Don’t know, Wes but apparently the Democrats have detected that Trump is now to the right of Lester Maddox.

    The beat goes on.

  24. Phil says:

    The kind of nonsense the Democrats are throwing around is why some of you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Trump’s chances.

    I would remind you that all those House Democrats who won in swing districts in 2018 did NOT run as leftist fools. They stayed away from the kind of rhetoric Democrats now throw around daily.

    That stuff isn’t going to play in western Pennsylvania. Only in the left wing bubble (elites, MSM, etc) do people believe the over the top stuff being thrown around is effective. It’s quite counter productive and Trump couldn’t have scripted it any better himself.

  25. janz says:

    According to Axios reporters changing US demographics is going to be the lead variable giving dems a winning boost in future elections, including 2020.

    Their data shows that states having large percentages of immigrant populations gave the dem candidate a 90% edge over their republican rival. In 2020, alone, the Hispanic demographic will surpass Blacks in becoming the largest minority population in the US. One silver lining in this news is that, in reality, Latino values seem to have more in common with R values than with dems.

  26. Wes says:

    Well, in my back yard, Dan McCready can’t take the lead in his own poll. His background will give him a higher percentage of the vote than another Dem would get, but I see no chance McCready takes it.

    I’m saying Bishop by 52-47. Yes, Tink and I are voting for Bishop.

  27. jason says:

    Could be. It is possible that while white liberals want the US to become Mexico, there are Mexicans that came to the US who would rather the US be more like the US.

  28. jason says:

    Over at Predictit…

    Trump 46
    Biden 15
    Warren 13
    Harris 12
    Sanders 8
    Yang 7
    Butt 6
    Booker 2

    Sanders and Yang way overpriced, neither will be President.

    Dem Nomination
    Biden 23
    Warren 23
    Harris 22
    Sanders 14
    Butt 11
    Yang 7

    Real opportunity here with Biden at roughly 4-1, those of you convinced he will be the nominee should buy him at 23, cash out at 100.

    Trump to switch parties by 2020
    Yes 6
    No 94

    PA in 2020
    Dem 65
    GOP 35

    WI 2020
    Dem 61
    GOP 38

    OH 2020
    GOP 66
    Dem 34

    NC 2020
    GOP 58
    Dem 43

    MI 2020
    Dem 66
    GOP 37

    NC 09 special
    GOP 63
    Dem 40

    LA Gov
    Dem 62
    GOP 38

  29. jason says:

    Also Biden winning Presidency at 6-1 seems like a decent bet, Trump at 2-1 does not.

  30. jason says:

    Huh, worse

  31. jason says:

    Of course, back then Trump was a Dem (2001 to 2009) and…

    “Trump donated $5,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $20,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 2006 cycle, effectively buoying the election prospects of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, respectively.”

    He became a racist in 2015 in his late 60’s.

  32. Wes says:

    I hope Republicans don’t throw money down the rathole known as VA-10 again. That Wexton trounced Comstock by 13 points should have shown them this district is gone for the foreseeable future.

  33. John says:

    I guess some things never change….
    Here’s video of Rep. Tlaib being hauled out of a Trump rally in August of 2016 screaming things “You’re guys are crazy” and of course “Racist!”
    And then the crowd yells back at her screaming “Get a job” and “Animal!”
    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1152726699777220608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fvideo-rashida-tlaib-being-dragged-out-of-2016-trump-event

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-screaming-rashida-tlaib-physically-removed-from-2016-trump-event

  34. lisab says:

    DNC’s Fundraising Heats Up in June, Skyrocketing to Just $2M Less Than Half RNC’s June Numbers

    In June, as a new FEC filing shows, the DNC saw an uptick in fundraising, pulling in a healthy $8.5 million to exceed the committee’s May total by almost $2 million. That brought them to about two million shy of half the RNC’s total of $20.8 million for the month.

    With June’s numbers, the second quarter for Democrats wound up at about $2.1 million more than the Republicans pulled in… in June. Democrats overall second quarter wrapped at ~$22.9, close to just the June numbers for the RNC. The RNC’s second quarter overall was a whopping $51 million.

  35. jason says:

    If it was the other way around, we would have seen:

    “RNC fundraising dismal, way less than half of the the DNC”

  36. jason says:

    Geezus…

    “Sources tell RealClearInvestigations that Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz will soon file a report with evidence indicating that Comey was misleading the president. Even as he repeatedly assured Trump that he was not a target, the former director was secretly trying to build a conspiracy case against the president, while at times acting as an investigative agent.

    Two U.S. officials briefed on the inspector general’s investigation of possible FBI misconduct said Comey was essentially “running a covert operation against” the president, starting with a private “defensive briefing” he gave Trump just weeks before his inauguration. They said Horowitz has examined high-level FBI text messages and other communications indicating Comey was actually conducting a “counterintelligence assessment” of Trump during that January 2017 meeting in New York.

    In addition to adding notes of his meetings and phone calls with Trump to the official FBI case file, Comey had an agent inside the White House who reported back to FBI headquarters about Trump and his aides, according to other officials familiar with the matter.”

  37. Wobbles says:

    Ok, ok, but what about Stormy?

  38. SusyQue says:

    Friends and fellow Christians,
    The CEO of Siemens is not our friend. The enemy has poisoned the CEO of Siemens. Friends, please boycott all Siemens products. I have personally thrown away several Siemens products earlier today.

    It’s very important that you join me in this peaceful and quiet boycott. We love peace and we love American Independence of Freedom!

    In Him
    Boycott Siemens

  39. lisab says:

    the lack of dnc fundraising shows the splintered leadership right now for the dems

    in 2016 the dems outraised the rnc, and also in 2018

    now they are less than half

    the fundraisers for the dems are split over the various candidates, instead of working for the party as a whole

  40. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    42. “In Him Boycott Siemens”

    So were suppose to boycott Siemens because some radical Russian environmental group opposes nuclear power? Should we boycott Microsoft too, since Bill Gates is involved in nuclear power development? What about General Electric, Bechtel, Westinghouse?

    By stating “In Him” are you claiming boycotting nuclear power has divine sanction?

    Have you considered becoming the 26th Democratic candidate for president? You would fit in.

    “BOYCOTT SIEMENS!
    Russian environmental groups demands from Siemens
    to get out of country with own nuclear technology

    On March 25, Russian environmentalists blockaded the Siemens representative office in Moscow and stopped all the busineses for a working day. Demostrators demanded that the company get out of the country’s nuclear programs and stop the construction of new reactors in former Soviet Union and CEE. Russian organizations supports the international Siemens boycott campaign going on in Siemens’ home country, Germany, and in many other countries. More than 700 environmental groups signed a letter, similar to the message of Russian environmentalists to Siemens demanding they stop nuclear reactors construction, in December 1996. The International Siemens boycott has been initiated by the environmental organizations GLOBAL 2000, Austria, Za Matku Zem (For Mother Earth), Slovakia and Friends of the Earth International).”

  41. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump has his highest poll numbers ever in the Marist poll:

    “Democratic presidential candidates are proposing lots of progressive policies in this election. And while those policies may resonate with the party base, some of those ideas are not popular with a general election electorate, according to a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.
    And overall, independent voters said they were not impressed with the direction either President Trump or Democrats want to take the country at this point ahead of the 2020 election, the findings show.
    “Independents are on the fence overall,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College, which conducted the poll. “They’re not willing to grant President Trump reelection, and yet they’re not persuaded by Democrats at this point.”
    Trump did his best in this polling since taking office, but his approval rating is still just 44%. Fewer independents are undecided about the president and give him a 42% approval rating, up from 35% in June.
    The poll was conducted from July 15 to 17, after the president’s July 14 tweet that four Democratic congresswomen of color, all American citizens, should “go back” to their countries of origin. The poll of 1,336 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.”

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/22/743516166/npr-newshour-marist-poll-americans-not-sold-on-trump-or-democrats

  42. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lot of rumors that Turkish President Erdogan died of a heart attack. No confirmation from a reliable source that it happened so far.

  43. Phil says:

    Yes, folks. Back by popular demand abortion Barbie Wendy Davis announces for Congress…..in a district won by Trump by 10 points.

    Ironically, She says she is doing it “for the children”

    Those that were lucky enough not to be aborted that is.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  44. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – How is your wife doing? How are you doing?

  45. janz says:

    #36 great political ad! I hope he wins.

  46. Phil says:

    Fairly decent, bitter. Thanks.

  47. Wes says:

    Heh. RRH is lamenting the fact that Al Franken was run out of the Senate. I’m not sad a puerile jackanapes like him is no longer a Senator.

    I am angry he flagrantly stole a Senate seat and got away with it. Maybe being a #MeToo victim was karma for such egregious electoral theft.

  48. Bitterlaw says:

    Congratulations to Boris Johnson. He is now Prime Mi unsterile/Engineer of the Brexit train wreck.

    Maybe he should order the sinking of an Iranian warship to celebrate.

  49. jason says:

    Nobody I would rather have as engineer of my train wreck than Boris Johnson.

    First British PM since Margaret Thatcher that I admire.

  50. jason says:

    The Al Franken sycophants are alleging “holes” in one of the accuser’s testimony, but of course they haven’t been able to say the photos were doctored.

    And of course, Al didn’t resign because he thought he was innocent, he probably knew there were more shoes to drop.

  51. jason says:

    I would certainly have voted for Brexit. The fact that deadenders on both sides have derailed it doesn’t change the fact Britain is much better off outside the EU than inside it.

  52. jason says:

    USA Today has decided the tweets were “racist”, not alleged to be racist by some. Our independent
    media…

    “WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump’s job approval rating so far does not appear to have been negatively impacted by the racist tweets he sent last week telling four Democratic congresswomen of color that they should “go back” and fix their countries of origin before trying to make changes in the U.S.

    In fact, his approval rating among registered voters nationally reached a new high at 44% in an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released Monday. But overall, the president is underwater with voters: 52% of those polled disapprove of the job he is doing. The poll was conducted from July 15-17, which was after the tweet he sent on July 14 and was condemned in a House resolution on Tuesday.”

  53. jason says:

    This poll has good and bad news for Trump.

    It says only 40% of Indies think the Dems would move the country in the right direction.

    But it also says 54% would vote to remove Trump.

  54. jason says:

    54% of the poll respondents overall.

  55. Phil says:

    Good God. USA actually wrote that?

    On second thought, why would I be surprised?

  56. Wes says:

    Just a slight nitpick here:

    I always thought “of color” meant black. As a Latina, how is AOC “of color”?

  57. Wes says:

    only two of them are “of color” under my understanding of the terminology.

  58. SusyQue says:

    Congratulations @BorisJohnson on becoming the next Prime Minister of the United Kingston!!

    What a great day for the One Donald Trump and the Great Boris Johnson!

    In Him

  59. lisab says:

    Sen. Hirono: Democrats Have a Hard Time “Connecting” With People Because Of “How Smart We Are”

  60. lisab says:

    British comedian Ricky Gervais has been called “transphobic” over defending women refusing to wax transwomen in Canada because they are uncomfortable dealing with their clients’ very male genitalia. Gervais defended the spa workers saying that it’s “real feminism” for women to choose who to wax or not, but internet users aren’t having it.

  61. lisab says:

    LGBTQ activist Amy Martin posted the declaration, “Ricky Gervais is a transphobe who (barely) disguises his bigotry as feminism. Real feminism includes all women, including trans women.”

    Gervais took time out to reply to Griffin, claiming, “Surely real feminism also covers a woman’s right not to have to wax someone’s knob & bollocks if they don’t want to.”

  62. lisab says:

    David Steinberg ??
    ?

    @realDSteinberg
    Follow Follow @realDSteinberg

    It seems @willsommer of @thedailybeast, @MotherJones, and Rep Noor (60B) are trying *to dox a Somali whistleblower* who in 2016 revealed @IlhanMN’s fraud.

    Without qualms, they seem to be working with a source *who is making explicitly violent threats to the whistleblower.* (2/x)

  63. lisab says:

    If you’re here to find instructions regarding a self tape audition submission for the male Kids’ CBC Host, you’re in the right place! Below, you will find a PDF with the audition material and all of the instructions.

    Any race except Caucasian

  64. Wes says:

    In spa work for both estheticians and massage therapists, there are two rights of refusal.

    The client has a right of refusal.

    The worker also has a right of refusal.

    It is nothing new for female LEs to refuse to wax male genitalia. Why anyone is critical of the LEs for exercising their legal rights as practitioners of their trade I have no clue.

  65. Bitterlaw says:

    A trans woman has to have a lot of balls to demand to be waxed there by a woman.

  66. janz says:

    3 tidbits of news:

    Mark Esper just confirmed to be SOD by a whopping 90 to 8!

    3rd circuit court just turned to be a majority of R’s.

    Teens camped out over night to hear DJT speak at the Turning Point USA Summit – much like what happens at the prez’s rallies.

  67. Bitterlaw says:

    Personally, I have no idea why anybody wants to wax anybody. It seems like a pretty gross job.

  68. Wes says:

    It’s part of the service LEs provide, Bitter. They get a lot of money for doing it. Of course they have to be trained and know how to do it correctly, or they can jeopardize their licenses.

  69. NYCmike says:

    Q: Why did the woman refuse to pay for her Brazilian waxing?

    A: Because it was a total rip-off.

  70. lisab says:

    well … she was banned from twitter and the trans was trying to meet 10 yo girls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=y3dbKitC3Ns

  71. Wes says:

    Hm. I wonder how Amash and the other Ronulans will vote on this:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/454232-israel-vote-will-expose-democratic-divisions

  72. jason says:

    They will vote with the anti-Semites, book it.

  73. jason says:

    “han Omar addressing the Revolution Somali Youth League in 2015:

    “You guys have the ability to impact where our nation is headed….”

    “Not only HERE–in the United States–but even in OUR NATION BACK HOME.”

    So it sounds like Trump was saying, yes, go make an impact “back home”.

  74. jason says:

    Senate passed the 9/11 compensation bill 97-2

    Rand Paul voted against it.

    Since he believes we are responsible for 9/11, he must figure the responders deserve what they got.

  75. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Morning Consult is doing weekly updates each Monday on its Democratic primary polling. Here is the one from yesterday:

    Biden 33,
    Sanders 18,
    Warren 14,
    Harris 13,
    Buttigieg 5,
    O’Rourke 3,
    Booker 2,
    Yang 2,
    Gabbard 1,
    Klobuchar 1,
    Bullock 1,
    de Blasio 1,
    Steyer 1

    Biden actually has gone up a few points.

  76. jason says:

    Rapinoe 42 Trump 41.

    The other day I said the ghost of Jeffrey Dahmer running as a Dem would get 40% of the vote.

  77. jason says:

    NYC to defend fake conservative, fake Republican, fake libertarian and fake fiscal conservative Rand Paul in 3, 2, 1….

  78. jason says:

    I am torn on whether I want Biden as the nominee or not.

    He is the most likely to win, so that is bad.

    He is the least horrible of the horribles, so that is good, well, less bad.

    He is the most likely to self destruct, so that is good.

  79. Victrc says:

    Jason

    I’m
    With you. Remember in 08 we all wanted Obama instead of Hillary because we thought he’d be easier to beat…how did that turn out.

    Still, Biden is no Obama so your sentiments above probably reflect what a number of others believe.

  80. Wes says:

    I don’t know how anyone could think Obama was easier to be than Hillary. He was a young, dynamic candidate who organized early and outmaneuvered her at every turn. He campaigned ceaselessly while Hillary adopted a Rose Garden strategy and whined after every primary loss.

    How was it not apparent Obama would be more formidable than she?

  81. lisab says:

    Trans Woman In Genital Waxing Case Applies For Permit To Host Semi-Nude Public Pool Party With Children

  82. Tina says:

    John Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    ·
    8h
    So the virtuous TrueConCucks at National Review take money from Google to champion Google and do PR rehab for child rapists while lecturing the rest of us about decency…

    (link: http://bit.ly/2JVsIiB) bit.ly/2JVsIiB via
    @BreitbartNews

  83. lisab says:

    Ivanka Trump mocked for giving an “all white” dog to her daughter.

  84. Phil says:

    What Jason said in 82. Pretty much summarized it.

  85. Phil says:

    Saw that, Lisa.

    Just when you think the left has reached the limits of ridiculousness, they expand them further. They will say anything.

  86. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The arrogance of tech never ceases to amaze me:

    “(Bloomberg) — Apple Inc. has asked the Trump administration to exclude components that make up the forthcoming Mac Pro high-end desktop computer from import tariffs, weeks after planning to re-locate production of the line to China from Texas.
    The Cupertino, California-based technology giant is seeking relief from duties of 25% on key Mac Pro parts and accessories that go with it, ranging from the stainless steel and aluminum frame, power supplies, internal cables and circuit boards, and its optional wheels, according to filings posted by the Office of U.S. Trade Representative. The documents don’t specifically mention the Mac Pro, but the features and dimensions listed by Apple in the filing closely resemble the planned computer.”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-seeks-mac-pro-parts-170038851.html

  87. jason says:

    How was it not apparent Obama would be more formidable than she?”

    If you actually thought Obama was a better candidate you deserve a lot of credit.

    I saw him as a glorified community organizer rabble rouser with a mediocre at best record in the Illinois assembly and 2 years of mediocrity in the Senate, a lab experiment from the living room of terrorist Bill Ayers.

    I believed Rush when he said:

    “I now believe he would be the weakest of the Democrat nominees,” Limbaugh, among the most powerful voices in conservative radio, said on his program. “I now urge the Democrat superdelegates to make your mind up and publicly go for Obama.”

    “Barack Obama has shown he cannot get the votes Democrats need to win — blue-collar, working-class people,” Limbaugh said. “He can get effete snobs, he can get wealthy academics, he can get the young, and he can get the black vote, but Democrats do not win with that.”

  88. jason says:

    hil says:
    July 23, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    What Jason said in 82. Pretty much summarized it.”

    See, Phil recognizes I was brilliant even when I was quite young.

    Oh, post 82….

  89. jason says:

    This will make a great ad….

    “Joe Biden said the White House under President Barack Obama, when Biden was vice president, did not do enough to address the concerns of white working-class voters in the Rust Belt.

    “A lot of people were left behind,” the 2020 Democratic candidate told the New York Times when discussing the post-recession economic recovery.”

  90. jason says:

    They should play that clip and then Trump says “I approve that message”

  91. Wes says:

    Limbaugh—the same person who said, “There is no reason to believe Christine O’Donnell can not be elected Senator from Delaware”—is a know-nothing entertainer playing to his radio-listening base, Jason. He probably said that to make his listeners feel better. From the time Obama announced in November 2006 and forced Hillary to continually play catch-up, it was clear he would be a formidable campaigner who would fight viciously for every vote he could get.

    He organized every state early so as to come away with large numbers of delegates even if Hillary won the state and kept his operatives in place even after securing the nomination. It should have been obvious Obama wouldn’t be easy to beat—especially since GWB was sporting a 29% popularity rating.

    I remember beating the drum of how bad things would be in November 2008. Thinking Obama would be a weak candidate was probably a product of people’s seeing what they wanted to see. Any objective analysis of his campaign would have clearly indicated otherwise.

  92. Tina says:

    Barr should tell Fuhrer that he testifies solely.

    Allow no underlings to testify,

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    22m
    Just got back only to hear of a last minute change allowing a Never Trumper attorney to help Robert Mueller with his testimony before Congress tomorrow. What a disgrace to our system. Never heard of this before. VERY UNFAIR, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. A rigged Witch Hunt!

  93. Tina says:

    Talk about self destructing, poor Gaffe.

    Memory fried.

    One of the chicklets needs to hit him hard at the debate.

  94. Wes says:

    When in late summer 2008 Mark Belling (himself probably a closet racist given his history) said Obama would lose because racists would rush to the polls to beat him, I only further realized Obama would win. People expecting their side to win don’t resort to hoping for such sleaze to grant them a victory.

  95. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    92. “I saw him as a glorified community organizer rabble rouser with a mediocre at best record in the Illinois assembly and 2 years of mediocrity in the Senate, a lab experiment from the living room of terrorist Bill Ayers.”

    Totally agree. I could not believe he pulled huge crowds and mesmerized them with his vapid rhetoric. It was like a quasi-religious experience for counter culture boomers. Of course when he got into office he was a mediocre president. He then could not attract very many people to his now monotonous speeches. Now he is a non-entity.

  96. Wes says:

    Dave’s posted this before. It demonstrates exactly the voter psychology that helped Obama win in 2008 and to a lesser extent, 2012:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YKtg_dNVE

  97. Wes says:

    In the 48 Laws of Power, Robert Greene says to appeal to people’s emotions rather than their logic to achieve success. I’m surprised a bunch of political junkies on a website devoted to political discussion could have been so blind to direction of politics in 2008.

  98. jason says:

    Well, wes was right and I was wrong, but my opinion wasn’t based on “emotion”.

    It was based on the fact Obama was a mediocre, vapid, unaccomplished light weight who had never even run a lemonade stand.

    I wasn’t wrong about that. I was wrong that a mediocre, vapid, unaccomplished light weight who had never even run a lemonade stand could beat Hillary for the nomination.

  99. jason says:

    couldn’t beat

  100. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    103. “I wasn’t wrong about that. I was wrong that a mediocre, vapid, unaccomplished light weight who had never even run a lemonade stand could beat Hillary for the nomination.”

    Hillary seems to have a talent for getting herself defeated by seemingly unelectable candidates. But as they say, the third time is a charm. She should announce now.

  101. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Two huge factors in 2008 were the Iraq war and the economic collapse. I was not on the board in 2008; surprised to hear that anyone thought McCain could win.

  102. Bitterlaw says:

    It turns out that MD and I are both at The Rolling Stones concert in Philadelphia. Different sections but forever A-holes.

  103. jason says:

    I was sure Hillary was a better candidate for the Dems than Obama, that is for sure.

    But you have to give the MSM credit, they transformed Obama from a mediocre, uninspiring community activist to the man who was going to stop the seas from rising.

  104. jason says:

    Which socialist is MD supporting for President?

  105. Phil says:

    All of them

  106. Tina says:

    Bl, my favorite group.

    Say hi to md.

  107. Tina says:

    Boom

    Mulehead caught lying.

    Why did the state department hose a Russian spy (Mifsud)?

    He was a cia asset, not a spy.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/breaking-news-on-eve-of-mueller-hearing-new-report-reveals-mueller-omitted-key-details-on-joseph-mifsud-and-papadopoulos/

  108. Tina says:

    But Ayatollah Talupia is not RACIST.

    Rashida Tlaib
    @RashidaTlaib
    · May 29, 2015
    Wallah someone deport these unAmerican ISISlike armed bikers. #PHXmosque. Because #NotMyAmerica to allow them to intimidate fellow Americans

  109. Hugh says:

    I sure hope in the near future Wray is fired. Trump like gwb has done an amazing job of making horrible appointments. Other than judges and bill Barr. Fire Wray soon. He is a disgrace. Obama’s people were loyal. He made great appointments

  110. Tina says:

    Three of the worst fib directors

    Comedy, Mulehead, and Wrong Wray,

  111. Big Joe says:

    #106-
    “I was not on the board in 2008; surprised to hear that anyone thought McCain could win.”

    SDC,
    You should check out the 2008 election prediction thread.

    Big Joe

  112. CashCow TM says:

    Bitter and MD BOTH at the Rolling Stones concert?

    Maybe Bitter can broker a detente with MD and get him to return to HHR.

    Enjoy the concert.

    When you see Mick Jagger dancing and strutting on stage, this is EXACTLY the way Walt dances around every morning as he gets into the shower.

  113. Walt says:

    Bitter at the Rolling Stones concert caused me to post this.

    I used to play in a rock and roll and roll band with a guy (he was only 15 years old and our lead guitar player) who later wrote a number of songs sung by Big Nashville stars.

    He even wrote a song (“The Lucky One”) that won him a Grammy in 2002 (?) sung by Allison Krauss.

    Link is Allison Krauss and Vince Gill performing “The Lucky One”. Whenever you hear it, think of me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvCOpOaef38

  114. lisab says:

    Andrew Yang
    ?
    In Monopoly when you pass ‘Go’ you get $200. Imagine if it were the same for every American every month but for $1,000. We can make that real.
    ———————————-

    ok … but i get to be the cat

    (fyi the cat replaced the iron a few years ago)

  115. Walt says:

    I had not een Bobby Castleman for close to 40 years, but reconnected with him about 6 years ago when he came back to his hometown to visit.

    I bought one of his albums–it was pretty good…
    *****************************************
    I like to think that I played some part in Bobby becoming famous and winning a Grammy in 2002 for best songwriter!

    When we played in the R&R band, Bobby used my big amplifier and often preferred to use my red electric guitar (I played keyboard in the band).
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I forgot to ask him if he takes time to thank ME and all the little people in his past who make his fame possible.
    ************************
    I WOULD SAY I AM THE ONLY HHR POSTER WHO PERSONALLY KNOWS SOMEONE WHO WON A GRAMMY FOR WRITING THE BEST SONG OF THE YEAR!

  116. lisab says:

    story daniels is doing adult films again …

    say what you want about trump, but he does get people back to work!

  117. CashCow TM says:

    Bobby Lee Castleman also wrote other songs for other top performers:

    Alan Jackson (“The Firefly’s Song”, “Like Red on a Rose” (nominated for Grammy Award in 2007 in the Best Country Song category), “Maybe I Should Stay Here”, “Nobody Said That It Would Be Easy”, “Where Do I Go from Here (A Trucker’s Song)”)

    Alison Krauss & Union Station (“Doesn’t Have to Be This Way”, “Forget About It”, “Gravity”, “Let Me Touch You for Awhile”, “Paper Airplane”, “Restless”, and “The Lucky One”)

    Chet Atkins (“Sneakin’ Around”, “Somebody Loves Me Now”, “Take a Look At Her Now”)

    Jon Randall (“My Life”)

  118. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    More California insanity:

    “The rats were winning.
    There were so many earlier this summer outside the CalEPA building in downtown Sacramento officials had to close its outdoor playground out of fear state employees’ kids would catch rodent-borne diseases.
    To fight back, building officials set out a controversial type of rat poison whose use may soon be banned statewide by the California Legislature. The poison didn’t stay out very long once word got out the state’s top environmental regulators were using a poison widely condemned by California’s powerful environmental groups.
    “Effective immediately, I’m putting a moratorium on the use of rodenticides around the 1001 I Street Building, “ CalEPA agency undersecretary Serena McIlwain said on June 19 in an email to staffers. “We will continue to monitor the situation daily and will work aggressively to find effective, less toxic alternatives.”
    * * *
    “When you’re at the stage where you have to close down your playground because you’re worried about exposing children to rats and the disease they harbor, you need to use your full arsenal,” said Niamh Quinn, a scientist who studies rodent infestations at the University of California Cooperative Extension.”

  119. lisab says:

    I WOULD SAY I AM THE ONLY HHR POSTER WHO PERSONALLY KNOWS SOMEONE WHO WON A GRAMMY FOR WRITING THE BEST SONG OF THE YEAR!
    ———————

    i met julie gold

    can’t claim to know her

    she wrote “from a distance”

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    From a Distance sucked. It also became an anti-war song.

    The concert was great. I did not meet up with MD. However, he also did not stab me while screaming “MAGA A-Hole.” I view that as progress.

  121. dblaikie says:

    Mueller is coming across as a person fighting alzheimer’s. I can’t believe it.

  122. dblaikie says:

    His new nickname should be stumbling, bumbling Bob.

  123. Tina says:

    Does Fuhrer have the rest of the axis powers there?

    Weissarse, comedy, McCrappe?

  124. Tina says:

    Radcliffe just destroyed Mulehead.

    Awesome.

    Glad the senate Rinos are not doing the dirty work here.

  125. Tina says:

    It’s a disaster.

    Mike Memoli
    ?
    @mikememoli
    Mueller first says collusion and conspiracy are NOT synonymous. Collins points to a specific section of the report which he says states they are. Mueller backtracks, says he will stand with what is in report.

  126. Tina says:

    Mike Memoli
    ?
    @mikememoli
    Mueller first says collusion and conspiracy are NOT synonymous. Collins points to a specific section of the report which he says states they are. Mueller backtracks, says he will stand with what is in report.

  127. Tina says:

    Sheila Jackson Lee just said that people who obstruct justice get a lot of jail time. So that means that she agrees every person who obstructed ICE and DHS should be locked up for a long time. Nobody is above the law.

  128. Tina says:

    The Columbia Bugle ??
    @ColumbiaBugle
    ·
    6m
    Rep. Ratcliffe: “Can you give me an example other than
    @POTUS
    where DOJ determined that an investigated person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined?”

    Mueller is unable to

    Rep: “You can’t because it doesn’t exist.”

  129. Tina says:

    Omg, Mulehead does not know what fusion gps is.

    This is a disaster.

  130. dblaikie says:

    It is coming across that Mueller doesn’t have any idea what is in the report. He hasn’t read his own report. What a joke!!

  131. Waingro says:

    What an absolute DISASTER Mueller has been. My God. Dems and the media have officially overplayed their hand.

  132. dblaikie says:

    The biggest news coming out today is that this most important investigation is decades (that is what the media claimed) was led by a senile old man.

  133. Waingro says:

    #138, I question how much he even “led” the investigation. Something tells me he just lent his name as cover for what was effectvely the “Weissman Report”.

  134. dblaikie says:

    139 I agree. From now on we need to refer to this joke as the “Weissman Report.” Talk about disconnected.

  135. dblaikie says:

    Someone needs to ask him, “Mr. Mueller, no offense intended, but who was really running your investigation?

  136. janz says:

    Feedback arising from today’s interrogation of mueller are questions whether Mueller was even in charge of the investigation, or was it a “staff-driven” investigation. Considering how partisan his staff was, it’s looking more & more like a proven sham.

  137. janz says:

    The corruption of partisan-driven government fairness is on full display with this Mueller Hearing.

  138. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    8m
    “This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller.” Chris Wallace
    @FoxNews

  139. janz says:

    It also was made quite clear, with Jim Jordan’s questioning, that Mueller cherry-picked who would be indicted for lying and who was given a pass, all in order to develop a planned narrative to get rid of the president.

  140. janz says:

    Nonetheless, no matter what points are made or evidence indicating manipulation of facts, people will hear what they want to hear and it won’t change many minds.

  141. Tina says:

    Mulehead could not remember that he mentioned Mifsud (intelligence asset and not a Russian spy) in the report:

    mbia Bugle ??
    @ColumbiaBugle
    ·
    17m
    Rep. Jim Jordan: Papadopoulos tells diplomat ‘Russians have dirt on Clinton.’ Diplomat tells the FBI. What I’m wondering is, who told Papadopoulos?”

    Mueller: “I can’t get into it.”

    Jordan: “Yes you can because you wrote about it… you tell us who told him, Joseph Mifsud.”

  142. Tina says:

    Or where’s my hearing aid?

    Emerald Robinson ??
    @EmeraldRobinson
    ·
    40m
    I guess #MuellerTime is really the FBI version of “Dazed & Confused”

  143. Tina says:

    Maybe the jebots can help Mulehead?

    Carol Leonnig
    @CarolLeonnig
    · 29m
    People who have long admired and known Robert Mueller, are concerned about his visible struggle this morning to answer detailed, rapid-fire questions.

    (link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mueller-testimony-congress-live/2019/07/24/d51a82d6-aca1-11e9-bc5c-e73b603e7f38_story.html?utm_term=.0ff763d7d9a6) washingtonpost.com/national-secur…

  144. Waingro says:

    Mark R. Levin
    ?
    Verified account

    @marklevinshow
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    As I said when Mueller gave speech in May, he is feeble.I say that not as a personal attack but as a rational observation. It’s on display today during this hearing. This underscores that the person who influenced this investigation most was Andrew Weissman, his top lieutenant.

  145. Tina says:

    Lol

    Melissa Francis
    @MelissaAFrancis
    · 25m
    As Jeffries walks #Mueller thru checklist for obstruction, Mueller struggles to find pages/keep up. As Jeffries checks 3rd box & says that satisfies elements needed for obstruction, Mueller says “I’m not supportive of that analytical charge.” Stunned Jeffries says: “Thank you.”

  146. Tina says:

    “Mueller was asked whether or not the investigation was impeded in any way, and he said no.” In other words, there was NO OBSTRUCTION. @KatiePavlich @FoxNews

    18.9K
    7:51 AM – Jul 24, 2019

  147. Tina says:

    Pretty clear Mulehead was just a figure head and not involved:

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    8m
    Lesko: You seemed to rely on the media a lot in your investigation. How many times did you cite the Washington Post as evidence?
    Mueller: I don’t know.
    Lesko: How many times did you cite New York Times?
    Mueller: I have no idea.
    Lesko: A bunch of your report is just press clips.

  148. Tina says:

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    8s
    Is Mueller laying the groundwork for an insanity defense? If so it’s working

  149. Tina says:

    @RepMattGaetz
    · 49m
    Gaetz: “Can you state with confidence the Steele dossier was not part of Russia’s disinformation campaign?”

    Mueller: “With regard to Steele…that’s beyond my purview.”

    Gaetz: “It’s exactly your purview! The organizing principle was to fully investigate Russia’s interference!”

  150. janz says:

    I wasn’t intending to watch the Mueller hearing, but got involuntarily sucked in by the R and D questioning coupled with the muddled, non-answers by Mueller.

    The R’s, IMO, were more succinct and point-driven than normal, side stepping their normal long-winded grandstanding. The dems interrogation, OTOH, simply emphasized unflattering behavior of the president, while, at the same time Mueller stated DJT didn’t obstruct their investigation in any way.

    Consequently, the hearing increasingly looks like political theater was the main goal of the dems, while real fact-finding was being pursued by the republicans.

  151. Tina says:

    Yeah right…

    Yashar Ali ?
    @yashar
    ·
    13m
    8. Mueller says he never applied for the FBI Director job. He said just now that he was under the impression that he met with President Trump about what a good candidate for the FBI Director position would look like.

  152. Tina says:

    Omg…

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    1h
    Biggs: Six days before you were appointed, DAG Rosenstein called to speak to you about appointing a special counsel.
    Mueller: I don’t have any knowledge of that happening.
    Biggs: We have evidence that that call happened and that’s what was discussed.
    Mueller: I have no knowledge.

  153. Tina says:

    Mulehead cannot remember his own biography.

    This is getting even worse.

  154. jason says:

    Redstate:

    “Robert Mueller Pretends To Be Sergeant Schultz During His Hearing Appearance”

  155. jason says:

    Morning Joe:

    Jesus, forgive me for ever being a Republican.”

    Someone answered:

    “Hearing going that bad for you”

  156. jason says:

    Et tu, brute?

    NYT:

    It’s time to move on from Robert Mueller.

  157. Phil says:

    Man, that Mika must be unbelievable in the sack.

  158. jason says:

    I guess even the NYT is not going to try to spin this….

    “Trip Gabriel @tripgabriel

    NYT colleagues reax to Mueller:@adamgoldmanNYT:
    So far, this hearing is not revealing new ground…By tomorrow it could be forgotten in this frenetic news cycle.@maggieNYT:
    Adam, I think you’re being generous with “by tomorrow.”

  159. jason says:

    Yeah, Phil, in military parlance it was “can suck the paint off a doorknob”…

  160. Tina says:

    Good job House Republicans!!!!

  161. Tina says:

    The leftist wackos are crying. Maybe it’s off to the clinic for new scripts:

    Laurence Tribe
    @tribelaw
    · 30m
    Much as I hate to say it, this morning’s hearing was a disaster. Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it. The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced.

  162. NYCmike says:

    “Consequently, the hearing increasingly looks like political theater was the main goal of the dems, while real fact-finding was being pursued by the republicans.”

    -Yes. The hearing was held on a day ending in -y.

  163. NYCmike says:

    “The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced.”

    -Next time I hear that Tribe is some brilliant legal scholar…….

  164. janz says:

    It’s a toss-up who I think is more despicable – Adam Schiff or Jerry Nadler?

  165. Tina says:

    Drats have an opening….

    They need to go back to full Porn Lawyah to help them.

  166. Tina says:

    Aaron Maté
    @aaronjmate
    ·
    7m
    Mueller just deflated the mistaken claims, fueled by his Rep. Lieu exchange, that he was saying he would have indicted Trump if not for the OLC memo. His joint statement w/ Barr stands.

  167. lisab says:

    well … it looks like trump is definately going to be impeached after today

  168. Phil says:

    Lisa slams down the sarcasm hammer.

  169. lisab says:

    dem headlines today

    Mueller confirms that a president can be indicted after leaving office

    Mueller: I did not clear Trump of obstruction of justice

    Mueller testimony: Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie, special counsel confirms

    Mueller testimony: Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie, special counsel confirms

    Mueller to Congress: Trump’s Wrong, I Didn’t Exonerate Him

    Mueller: ‘Correct’ that I didn’t indict Trump because of OLC decision

    ‘Very Innocent President’ Greets Mueller Testimony With Unhinged Tweetstorm

    Robert Mueller Says Trump Is Lying About His Report

    By Cutting Food Stamps, Trump Will Starve Kids

  170. jason says:

    It’s a toss-up who I think is more despicable – Adam Schiff or Jerry Nadler?”

    I’ll take both Doors 1 and 2, Monty.

  171. jason says:

    I guess Lawrence Tribe was asleep for the 8 years Obama was President if he is concerned about lawlessness.

  172. jason says:

    Zzzzzzzz…

    Those are the Dem headlines EVERY day…

  173. lisab says:

    canada has a strategic national maple reserve

    in 2012 it was stolen

  174. lisab says:

    Those are the Dem headlines EVERY day…
    —————————————–

    no, sometimes they say trump is starving old people

    or

    will start ww3

  175. jason says:

    Avenatti is having a presser after Mueler hearing to fill in the blanks.

    And supposedly he will announce that Trump was at the house where Kavanaugh was gang raping women too.

    CNN and MSNBC have already announced the accusation is “credible”.

  176. jason says:

    I didn’t say they were the ONLY headlines..

    Separating children from their mothers.

    Melting the Greenland icecap.

    Causing forest fires in CA.

    Polluting the drinking water.

    Killing whales, polar bears, and bumble bees.

    Attacking women of color.

  177. Tina says:

    Lisab, Mulehead retracted tour first “headline,”

    This was done in the second session.

    See the tweet a few posts before your post.

  178. Wes says:

    Rutger Hauer, Star of Nighthawks and Blade Runner, has passed at 75. RIP.

  179. lisab says:

    fathom the odd hypocrisy that the dems want every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don’t have to prove they are citizens, and those who refuse or are unable to prove they are citizens will demand and receive free health insurance from those citizens who are forced to buy health insurance for non-citizens

  180. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    After today, the Mueller Investigation will probably turn into a GOP offensive due to the prospective Horowitz IG and Durham findings.
    Mueller’s testimony from today will be “dead” by Sunday’s talking head shows. He did poorly which should take impeachment off the table.

  181. Tina says:

    Mollie
    ?
    @MZHemingway
    This made me laugh: “Old conventional wisdom: Mueller left phone in Oval Office to spy on Trump.

    New conventional wisdom: Mueller left phone in the Oval Office because he forgot that he had a phone.” http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=382455#c31090991

    835
    11:37 AM – Jul 24, 2019

  182. lisab says:

    Mueller: I met with Rosenstein? I didn’t know that.

  183. Tina says:

    Ryan Saavedra
    ?
    @RealSaavedra
    MSNBC’s Jeremy Bash complains Special Counsel Robert Mueller “sucked the life out” of the Russia report and seriously “set back” efforts to impeach Trump

    Bash says Mueller was “evasive,” “lost at times,” “very ineffective defense of his own work”

  184. JeffP says:

    The republicans cross examination of Mulehead was glorious!!!

    Some congressman I never heard of 2 former JAG officers and a couple women kicked a**.

    Trump has taught the GOP to fight back. Trumps best two achievements exposing corrupt media and socialism in the drat party. Impressive.

  185. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    167. Laurence Tribe @tribelaw
    “Much as I hate to say it, this morning’s hearing was a disaster. Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it.”

    So apparently Mueller is incapable of interpreting his own report.

    “I live in a world of fantasy, so keep your reality away from me.”

  186. janz says:

    I don’t think impeachment will ever be off the table as long as Trump is in the Oval Office. The dems don’t need logic or valid reasons to pursue Trump’s termination. All that is required is their dissenting, bad attitude to incentivize continuous means in order to impeach him.

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    After spending $25 million on the Mueller investigation, this is what it comes down to?

  188. JeffP says:

    GOP has shined today…showing off some new stars in their ranks…they have far more intelligence and character than the Dems…not even close…any fair minded person can see that. Cream rises to the top and it is on display today. Mueller is a HUGE disappointment for the libs and media…hilarious to watch. Great day for our democracy to have this on hoax being exposed this way. Even feeble Mulehead…it just proves Trumps 17 angry Dems coming after me tweets…every dang tweet about the Hoax, Mulehead, Weismann, Struck, etc… love everyminute of it.

  189. lisab says:

    is it bad mueller did not know what fusion gps was?

  190. lisab says:

    is it bad mueller did not know what president appointed him?

    he said bush

    it was actually reagan

  191. Tina says:

    Leftists melting down (and jebots):

    Michael Moore
    @MMFlint
    · 2h
    A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions…I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today — All you pundits and moderates and lame Dems who told the public to put their faith in the esteemed Robert Mueller — just STFU from now on

  192. Tina says:

    Remember, I said Mulehead did not pick the 17 or so angry drats.

    They picked him.

  193. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    197. Michael Moore @MMFlint
    “A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions…I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today.”

    Is he referring to Mueller or Biden?

  194. Tina says:

    Dunno.

    For,a moment, I thought the Mulehead hearing was a Biden campaign event.

    I could not tell the difference between the mumbling and fumbling.

  195. lisab says:

    who is most upset

    dems

    or never trumpers

    i think nevertrumpers

  196. Tina says:

    Matt Viser
    @mviser
    · 35m
    Robert Mueller: “We don’t use the word collusion. We use…uh…one of the other terms that fills in when collusion is not used.”

    Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt): “The term is conspiracy?”

    Mueller: “That’s exactly right.”

  197. NYCmike says:

    “i think nevertrumpers”

    -Surprised that “CG” and Robbie aren’t hear defending Mueller.

  198. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Bogo Pogo suicide prevention hotline better be working now.

  199. Tina says:

    All because the beotch lost:

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    SUMMARY: We paid $35 million for a couple of hundred DOJ and FBI organized media leaks….

    90
    12:33 PM – Jul 24, 2019

  200. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The meltdowns are going to be epic. This is literally the end of the road for the Democrats.

    When the Mueller Report came out, they still thought they could get Mueller to verbally state that his report could be interpreted to support impeachment. That hope is now gone.

  201. Phil says:

    You shouldn’t be surprised, mike. How could they possibly defend that? How could they even try?

  202. Tina says:

    Mark Meadows
    @RepMarkMeadows
    · 9m
    Don’t let the left retroactively downplay the importance of today’s Mueller hearings because it went poorly for Democrats. They held mock hearings, practiced for cameras, and even set up a stand-in Jim Jordan. They went all in.

    It didn’t work. It flopped.

  203. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This should be the theme song for the Democrats after today’s hearing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjYz8rnVqK0

  204. JeffP says:

    My favorite Trump tweet a few minutes ago…”Truth is force of nature”

  205. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @davidaxelrod
    This is delicate to say, but Mueller, whom I deeply respect, has not publicly testified before Congress in at least six years. And he does not appear as sharp as he was then.
    Replying to @davidaxelrod
    And it helps explain why Mueller wanted his aide nearby.

    @DavidBrodyCBN
    I say this with true compassion: Robert Mueller doesn’t look well and I don’t mean that he has a cold. Something seems off. He seems slow and sluggish. #MuellerHearing

  206. Tina says:

    Fake Flapper or cnn:

    Mulehead was fiery

    Mulehead had difficulty hearing.

    CNN in full cover up mode.

  207. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    So both Mueller and Avenatti failed in their roles as possible saviors of the Democrats in taking down Trump. Its now time for a vigorous new hero to emerge — here he comes, its Joe Biden….never mind.

  208. Phil says:

    Was also wondering who the next Democratic savior would be,SD.

    Never Trumpers and MSM in a meeting as we speak trying to figure that out.

  209. JeffP says:

    #214 John Kasich? Kamala ? Sleepy? Pocahontas? Bernie?

    I think Kamala is the chosen one.

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    215. Definitely Harris is the choice of the tech and liberal Democratic elites. But she is running 4th in the polls, despite her debate attacks on Biden. She has no charisma. Even in California the race is competitive, with some polls showing her with a slight leader.

    I could see a Biden-Harris ticket.

  211. Tina says:

    Troubling that Mulehead over looked this. And she was given a special emergency Visa by the Obumbler to be in the country.

    Veselnitskaya was a focal point on the day of the Trump Tower meeting……but her meeting with Glen Simpson of Fusion GPS the day before and the day after was ‘not in my purview’…….?

  212. Tina says:

    Representative Turner to Mulehead, there is no department of exoneration.

    Video here of the elder abuse:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=308&v=VijjacEjSkI

  213. lisab says:

    drudge headline on mueller, “dazed and confused”

    when the dems have lost drudge regarding trump

    you know things did not go well

  214. lisab says:

    new economist poll

    biden 25
    warren 18
    sanders 13
    harris 9
    buttigieg 7

    warren is getting the woman’s vote

  215. Phil says:

    Biden’s best allies are his moonbat opponents. Dividing up the loon vote is why he holds a small lead. The next four candidates have 47% of the vote to Biden’s 25. All are to the left of Biden. Division of the leftist vote is the reason and the only reason he has a modest lead.

  216. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    221. An irony is that Biden is the second choice of Sanders voters; and Warren is the second choice of Harris voters, and visa versa for both pairings. So it does not appear a far leftist alliance is in the making.

    Biden continues to have bedrock support of African-Americans, one poll at 46%. If the “old white guy” gets the nomination — it will in large part because of loyalty from the African-American voters. This has to appall politically correct snowflakes. I also believe a significant percentage of the Latino vote will end up going for Biden.

  217. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe there were extra Mueller hearings today. According g to CNN and MSNBC, he was strong, focused, impassioned, and forceful in condemning Trump.

    I only heard 10 minutes of it on the radio. My sense is Democrats heard what they want. Republicans heard what they want.

  218. Tina says:

    The Lido Deck “nailed” it. Ahoy!

    Jay Caruso
    @JayCaruso
    · Jul 23
    And Mueller isn’t a novice. He’s testified over 60 times in front of congressional committees during his time as director of the FBI. People shouldn’t expect any deer-in-the-headlights moments from him, mainly because he’s smarter than everyone who will question him.

  219. Tina says:

    Add another failure by the Drats today. Barr and Ross will not be prosecuted for doing their jobs (contempt of Congress).

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/another-democrat-fail-doj-says-bill-barr-wilbur-ross-will-not-be-prosecuted-for-contempt-of-congress/

  220. Tina says:

    Hard day for Mslsd and cn and n.i wonder if Mika Scarface took the Mulehead picture down?

    Jeffrey Toobin on the #MuellerHearing: “It certainly seems like Donald Trump is #winning”

  221. Tina says:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    ·
    1h
    Trump Approval today Aggregate 46%. “Mueller” will take a week to work through.

    Rasmussen 48% LV
    RV
    Fox (most accurate 2016) 46%
    HarrisX 46%
    Economist 45%
    YouGov 44%

  222. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This may be the worst day the Democrats have had since election night in 2016 when Trump won.

  223. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Watching the left come up with endless schemes to impeach Trump has become like Willie E. Coyote trying to catch the Roadrunner.

    @TimRunsHisMouth
    Robert Mueller: In still pictures = a strong stoic infallible investigator. In video testifying = an uninformed goof that I wouldnt trust to look for my keys.
    Replying to
    @TimRunsHisMouth
    When even CNN and MSNBC say it was basically a disaster, you know it was bad.

    @ir_re_deem_able
    Looked like Hillary’s post election party.

  224. jason says:

    Even the best moment for the Dems, when supposedly Mueller said to Ted Lieu the only reason he didn’t indict Trump was because of DOJ policy, was taken back later when he said opened the Senate hearing saying he needed to correct that.

    That is because his joint statement with Barr said the opposite.

  225. jason says:

    Huh, convoluted, but you get the gist.

  226. lisab says:

    Susan Hennessey
    ?

    My guess is that we are going to see a groundswell of support for impeachment after this. Both sides got some favorable tv clips out of it, but the substance overall was just devastating to the president.

  227. jason says:

    “The Day Impeachment Died”

  228. jason says:

    Dang, I would like some of what Susan is smoking, must be some really good sh-t.

  229. jason says:

    According g to CNN and MSNBC, he was strong, focused, impassioned, and forceful in condemning Trump.”

    Actually, no.

    I was actually surprised to see how many of them were willing to say Mueller didn’t advance the cause.

    Yeah, they did their best to try to spin, but you could see they were all disappointed.

  230. jason says:

    My sense is Democrats heard what they want.”

    Hello?

    They wanted something they could use to justify impeachment. That was it. Nothing else would satisfy them.

    They didn’t get it.

  231. lisab says:

    Susan Hennessey
    ?
    Verified account

    @Susan_Hennessey
    6h6 hours ago
    More
    Mueller was (unsurprisingly) uncharismatic but I think that was actually a quite effective performance by the Democrats. It was disciplined, drew attention to the substance of the report, and laid a foundation for the next steps.

  232. Phil says:

    What planet is Susan Hennessey on?

    ……or I should say, what drug is she on?

  233. jason says:

    Uncharismatic?

    LOL

  234. lisab says:

    Kirsten Gillibrand
    ?
    Verified account

    @SenGillibrand
    11h11 hours ago
    More Kirsten Gillibrand Retweeted Josh Campbell
    It’s time to start impeachment hearings.

  235. jason says:

    It was disciplined, drew attention to the substance of the report, and laid a foundation for the next steps.”

    The next steps are Horowitz and Durham.

  236. jason says:

    After Mueller said “we did not reach a determination on whether the President committed a crime” it will be hard to start impeachment hearings.

  237. lisab says:

    Susan Hennessey
    ?
    Verified account

    @Susan_Hennessey
    11h11 hours ago
    More Susan Hennessey Retweeted Glenn Thrush
    The Republicans are also implicitly accepting the premise that Donald Trump is lying and McGahn, Comey, and others are telling the truth.

  238. Phil says:

    Yes, Senator Gillibrand. I agree. Absolutely, Your House Democrats need to begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Do it. It’s an absolute political winner. Trust me.

  239. jason says:

    Yah thinks?

    “White House officials and the President’s Republican allies are walking away from this morning’s hearing and viewing it as a success,” said CNN White House correspondent Caitlin Collins.

    Collins noted that Republicans went in not knowing what would happen, but walked out confident that the Democrats last best grasp at impeachment is now a hollow pipe dream.”

  240. lisab says:

    Susan Hennessey
    ?
    Verified account

    @Susan_Hennessey
    11h11 hours ago
    More Susan Hennessey Retweeted Jim Sciutto
    The Democrats are taking turns and playing a team sport. After a wobbly start to the morning, this hearing is now building a very effective case against the president.

  241. jason says:

    Even the WAPO is giving up..

    “Mueller’s testimony crystallized public opinion against impeachment”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/muellers-testimony-crystallized-public-opinion-against-impeachment/?utm_term=.f3ac99b45255

  242. Big Joe says:

    The avuncular Joe Biden still swimming in his spacious lane comfortably.

    Big Joe

  243. jason says:

    I don’t know how Susan Hennessey is, but she does have access to good drugs.

  244. jason says:

    Biden is a lucky guy, he is running against a bunch of kooks.

    But it doesn’t mean he is a great candidate, just that he is a little less kooky.

  245. Big Joe says:

    Politics aside, Joe Biden’s path to the nomination is the same path taken by President Trump in ’16.

    That is, find a lane that is yours, and let the other 17, 19, etc candidates fight over the other couple of lanes.

    Big Joe

  246. jason says:

    David Axelrod:

    “This is very, very painful”

  247. jason says:

    Maybe, but the problem with Biden is nobody really has a good reason to vote for him except that he is not Trump.

    That is why he looks more like a Jeb Bush than a Donald Trump.

    Trump had a message. America first. Make it great again. Champion of the forgotten working class. I didn’t agree with it that much but it worked.

    What is Biden’s message? I am not Trump and I am not as much of a socialist lunatic as everyone else.

  248. lisab says:

    Pinned Tweet

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    ?
    Verified account

    @AOC
    Jul 18
    More
    Reminder of what people are calling the “radical, extreme-left agenda”:

    ? Medicare for All
    ? A Living Wage & Labor Rights
    ? K-16 schooling, aka Public Colleges
    ? 100% Renewable Energy
    ? Fixing the pipes in Flint
    ? Not Hurting Immigrants
    ? Holding Wall Street Accountable

  249. jason says:

    None of the trolls are here after Mueller’s testimony.

    That tells you a lot.

  250. lisab says:

    Maddow Blog
    ?
    Verified account

    @MaddowBlog
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    I know that the Trump White House and conservative media are trying to, like, chin up! tonight, make it seem like they had a great day today. Everything was fine! Nobody died!
    They did not have a great day tod

  251. jason says:

    I have to admit AOC defined a radical, extreme left wing agenda really well

    Medicare for All – 32 trillion dollar tax hike
    Living Wage & Labor Rights – destroy the capitalist systme
    K-16 schooling, aka Public Colleges – end private education
    100% Renewable Energy – destroy the economy
    Fixing the pipes in Flint – leftist demagoguery
    Not Hurting Immigrants – open borders
    Holding Wall Street Accountable – end of capitalism

  252. jason says:

    Everything was fine! Nobody died!”

    LOL

    Sounds like Scarlett O’Hara…tomorrow will be another day, huh, Madcow

  253. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    250. “I don’t know how Susan Hennessey is”

    CNN commentator and co-author of an upcoming book:

    @Susan_Hennessey
    “If the past and future of the American presidency happen to be on your mind these days, you can pre-order @benjaminwittes and my book, coming out in January. Unmaking the Presidency: Donald Trump’s War on the World’s Most Powerful Office.”

  254. Scooterboy says:

    Mueller was a disaster. How can he not remember which President appointed him? I would assume that would have been a pretty big moment in his life.

    I hope someone was there to help him find his way back to his office.

  255. Victrc says:

    255….dear AOC…ummm yes. That’s the definition. Of fed left extremist

    I’m watching a series on Netflix on my trip back to the us about the last Czar and it’s amazing how much the left today sound like Bosheviks. Seriously.

    Oh and if you were flying tofay and subjected to onky CNN you would have thought trump had been impeached. Convicted. Removed. And jailed.

    Can you say Pravda

  256. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    261. “I hope someone was there to help him find his way back to his office.”

    Biden was outside waiting for him.

  257. Big Joe says:

    “Maybe, but the problem with Biden is nobody really has a good reason to vote for him except that he is not Trump.”

    Voting against someone is a thing. In recent history, the party out of power seems to get very angry. On the flip side, incumbent P’sOTUS have a good track record for winning re-election.

    Big Joe

  258. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Will learn a lot more about Biden’s mental fitness at the second debate. If his mind is slipping it will show. Mueller’s poor performance today might make voters even more cautious about older candidates who are showing signs of mental cloudiness.

  259. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Michael Moore’s comment is particularly good. In politics today you need to be a street fighter, although a lot of posters on this board recoil from it.

    RepMarkMeadows
    “Mueller still struggling to answer even basic questions. He can’t accurately remember facts, evidence, or even his own conclusions.

    Folks—this guy didn’t run the investigation. His team of Resistance Democrats did.

    And they used it as a weapon to target a President they hated.”

    @RudyGiuliani
    “How ridiculous Mueller ignored politics in hiring. By coincidence he hired no Trump supporters,18 Trump haters, large Clinton contributors,and an ethically challenged prosecutor.Mueller never looked at FBI reports(Rhee: Clinton counsel).”

    Michael Moore @MMFlint
    “Trump must be gloating in ecstasy. Not because of the failure that is Robert Mueller — his Report is still a damning document of crimes by Trump—but because Trump understands the power of the visual, and he understands that the Dems aren’t street fighters and that’s why he’ll win”

  260. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Liberal Politico starts out the day with a somber report for the Democrats:

    “Pro-impeachment Democrats were hoping for a blockbuster show on Wednesday. Instead they are left trying to regain momentum in their drive to oust President Donald Trump from office.
    Former special counsel Robert Mueller’s feeble performance before Congress won’t resolve the internal party struggle over impeachment or do much to sway public opinion in their favor.
    The question pro-impeachment Democrats now face is whether Mueller actually hurt their efforts, which wasn’t what anyone predicted heading into the heavily hyped hearings.”

  261. Wes says:

    Being a street fighter is one thing, SDC. Being a solipsistic, unlikable jackass is something else entirely. A lot of posters on here fail to note the distinction.

  262. Tgca says:

    It is with a very heavy heart that I report my sweet, gentle dog has passed. She recently started her 18th year of life, an unbelievably long life for a 50 lb American Staffordshire Terrier mix. She was the most easy going, friendly, sweet, gentle dog I ever came across and that’s what makes her passing so hard.

    She had a ruptured mass on her spleen that was surgically removed and she was slowly recovering but then on the 4th day she got blood clots in her lungs and struggled to breathe and required oxygen. Even though she was awake and very alert, it was clear that she had very little chance to survive these clots at her age, equivalent to over 100 years for humans so I made the choice to let her go. This was by far the hardest and most painful decision I ever had to make after having this sweet, gentle constant companion for all these years. The time we spent together feels like an eternity but at the same time I recall so vividly our 1st meeting and the day I brought her home.

    There is probably very little in life that is sadder than holding your dog and gazing into each other’s eyes just before she takes her last breath and peacefully leaves this world.

    RIP my sweet little girl and thank you for all the sweetness and joy you brought in life.

  263. Big Joe says:

    Teej, I’m so sorry, my friend. Pets are so special, unconditional love and loyalty. Losing a pet is losing a family member. It’s obvious from reading your words that you gave her the best life possible and she was lucky to have you.

    You must have some beautiful memories of her, and over time those memories will help to heal your heart and always bring a smile to your face … forever.

    Big Joe

  264. Tina says:

    It is pretty clear that Mulehead was a figure head. His team of angry drats chose him. Notice how he stated he vouched for his team, despite glaring conflict of interests (Rhee, Weissarse.

    He let the saudis leave the country after 9-11. He gave deals to pedos, like Epstein. Gave uranium to Russians and blamed an innocent man in the anthrax investigation.

    Another crappy Bush (Rino) pick

  265. Tina says:

    I am also against lawyahs running the fib, let the lawyahs run doj,

    Fib is sheot now given the fact that comedy, Mulehead, and Wrong Wray (all lawyahs running the joint) have destroyed it with incompetence

  266. Tina says:

    I also knew that Mulehead would be a disaster yesterday.
    No way for even the jebots to spin it.

    Remember when Mulehead was ambushed outside of his church after he finished his report, I believe it was mslsd.
    Anyway, he was trying to open his car door and he could not. His wife came around to help him open the car door.

  267. Tina says:

    Look at the National Retreat writer here and Epstein booster. Sad.

    Jonah Goldberg
    @JonahNRO
    · 14h
    Look, I think Mueller had a bad day. I think his performance bolstered the case that his staff ran the show. But Mueller also demonstrated that he is a vastly better man than Trump. Trump heaps gross scorn on him for two years and Mueller refused a single ad hominem.

  268. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree with Goldberg. Mueller avoided the Dems’ attempts to get him to push their impeachment agenda.

    Sue me.

  269. jason says:

    Wow, the never-Trumpers are down to “Mueller a better person than Trump” narrative?

    Geezus….

  270. jason says:

    Hey, Tgca, sorry about your dog.

    I was about to make a joke about her being a miracle of science having survived 18 years on a diet of sugar and vegetables but I thought better of it.

  271. jason says:

    Most of the people I know are better persons than Obama, Clinton, Hillary and Trump. They are also better persons than any of the Dems running for President.

    Not sure what the relevance of that is, but if it makes Goldberg feel better, ok, I know he had a tough day.

  272. Tina says:

    Quote of the day from yesterday is awarded to:

    Trey Gowdy (the Rooster) who said,” the person who learned the most about the Mueller Report today was Robert Mueller.”

  273. Tina says:

    And just on facts alone, Goldbergs national Retreat backed epstein; Goldberg pushed the hoax for three years; trump did not attack Mulehead for two years; and Goldberg is still a loser.

  274. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca – I am sorry about the loss of your dog.

  275. Tina says:

    Notice how Mulehead testified that collusion (conspiracy) and obstruction were synonymous. A no finding in one results in a no finding in the other

    He also stated that his investigation was never impeded or hindered.

    Given the synonymous statement as well as the no hindrance remark, it proves:

    NO OBSTRUCTION

  276. Tina says:

    Regarding obstruction,

    Comedy also told trump three times he was not under investigation. (Comedy lied to Congress).

    A president cannot obstruct a counter intelligence investigation.

    Additional findings as to why there was no obstruction.

  277. jason says:

    Trump heaps gross scorn on him for two years and Mueller refused a single ad hominem.”

    Even this is not quite accurate. He heaped scorn on the investigation, not so much Mueller personally, and when the report was issued Trump said Mueller acted “honorably”.

    He did call him “highly conflicted” which is probably not inaccurate. He referred to “Mueller’s angry Democrats”, another fairly accurate description of Mueller’s team although not of Mueller himself.

  278. Tina says:

    Look for the left to toss Mulehead aside after his (drats) horrible day,

  279. Tina says:

    Well Mulehead was conflicted

    Trump questioned McGahn on this. Trumps concerns were valid

    After all, mulehead was interviewed by trump for the fib position the day before he was appointed to SC. This is an area of dispute, but Mulehead appears to have lied about this matter under oath.

    Trump and Mulehead had a business disagreement at the golf course, which was nasty by all accounts.

    Mulehead turned over uranium to the Russians

  280. Tina says:

    Also forgot, comedy and Mulehead were and are bffs. Comedy was fired by trump.

    Mulehead confirmed that they were bffs under oath yesterday.

    So, it’s a further example of a conflict of interest.

  281. Tina says:

    Granites video appearance on fox

    Says that he did not call Mulehead because he knew that he was not in any condition to testify.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1154217574714019841

  282. Tina says:

    John Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    “A guilty man was forced to take the witness stand, a Dirty Cop was cross examined, cornered, trapped, exposed, stripped of his media mythology shield, and and found to be Dirty… And it was glorious.”

    (link: http://bit.ly/2K35UgP) bit.ly/2K35UgP via
    @BreitbartNews

  283. Tina says:

    I’ll allow Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) to take it from here:

    Joseph Mifsud is the … mysterious professor who lives in Rome and London. Works and teaches at two different universities. This is the guy who told Papadopoulos. He’s the guy who starts it all. And when the FBI interviews him, he lies three times and yet you don’t charge him with a crime. You charge Rick Gates for false statements. You charge Paul Manafort for false statements. You charge Michael Cohen with false statements. You charge Michael Flynn, a three star general with false statements. But the guy who puts the country through this whole saga starts it all for three years we’ve lived this now–he lies and you guys don’t charge him. And I’m curious as to why.

    And Mr. Magoo can only respond with: I can’t get into it.

    Nolte (breitbart)

  284. Big Joe says:

    Dave: https://poll.qu.edu/ohio/release-detail?ReleaseID=3633

    While I’m thinking OH is not really a battleground anymore in a tossup GE scenario, it is polls like these that will keep Joe Biden strong in the nominating contest. As long as he’s they guy seen as most electable, he has a real shot to take the nom.

    Big Joe

  285. Big Joe says:

    … As long as he’s **the** guy …

  286. jason says:

    The Dems kept repeating the “3 conditions for obstruction” and then would try to get Mueller to say that what Trump did in the 10 instances of potential obstruction fit the conditions, to which he would reply “I don’t agree with your characterization”. When they finally got him to say yes “you didn’t indict due to DOJ policy” he had to go back and say he never made a determination as to obstruction of justice (so there was nothing to indict anyone on).

    Finally, he was asked if Trump could be indicted after he left office, and he said yes. But this is BS by the Dems, because everyone knows a President can be indicted when he leaves office, provided you actually have something to indict him on. Since Mueller did not make a determination that Trump obstructed justice, someone else would have to make that determination.

    “In Mueller’s opening statement that came later before the House Intelligence Committee, the former special counsel said he wanted to “correct the record” on his exchange with Lieu.

    “That’s not the correct way to say it,” Mueller said. “We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.”

    That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, “Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.”

  287. Tina says:

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    @seanmdav
    ·
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    @seanmdav
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    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
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    We were told our nation’s intel agencies would never use false information to justify secret surveillance of American citizens. In reality, DON and the FBI peddled lies to the FISA court that were cooked up by a foreign spook and a DOJ official’s wife, both funded by Clinton.
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    @seanmdav
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  288. jason says:

    The Dems have gone full Soviet, Proud Obamacon’s wildest dream is coming to fruition.

    “I believe he fully understood my question. It was a logical extension of me getting him to establish the three elements of obstruction of justice were met and I think it’s what he actually believes,” Lieu told Cooper.. “I think he may have walked it back because he understood that what that means is we got a felon in the White House…

    You can be a “felon” without even a trial or conviction.

  289. jason says:

    The Dems are now claiming to know what “Mueller believes” rather than what he actually says.

    You can’t make this up.

  290. Phil says:

    Yes you can. Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility with the left any longer.

  291. jason says:

    I don’t think anybody is really looking…

    “While Mueller refused to entertain questions about the Steele dossier — an opposition research document put together by former British spy Christopher Steele — as it related to his investigation, Cohen added Wednesday the testimony “confirmed” allegations made in the document against him were false.
    “The allegations raised against me in the Steele dossier were blatant lies,” Cohen said. “At least today’s hearings confirmed this. If our elected officials want more information or clarification they know where to find me…”

  292. Tina says:

    t

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    17h
    Seems weird AG Bill Barr managed to read the entire Mueller report in 48 hours, write a succinct overview of the principal conclusions and practice some bagpipes yet Mueller doesn’t even know what’s in it after working on it for 2+ years ?????

  293. Tina says:

    These never trumpets are funny:

    John Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    ·
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    Now they’re blaming us for their failed coup. y’all…
    Quote Tweet

    Nicolle Wallace
    @NicolleDWallace
    · 26m
    This. Every bleeping word of this: Mueller didn’t fail. The country did. (link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/25/mueller-didnt-fail-country-did/) washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/…
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  294. jason says:

    David Reaboi
    ?
    @davereaboi

    It remains amazing to me to see that, even years into the Trump era, NeverTrump will cling to *every single allegation* made against the man without once stepping back and saying, “you know, maybe my obsessive hatred has disfigured my thinking here.”

    That sure reminds me of a couple people here….

  295. jason says:

    Great article.

    It shows that Trump’s isolationist and protectionist trade policy is more than just a tax hike, it’s pretty much just another move towards big government.

    But of course, the AFL-CIO “conservatives” here know that.

    https://theweek.com/articles/854622/gops-stupid-swoon-big-government

  296. Waingro says:

    Matt Viser
    ?
    Verified account

    @mviser
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    New Monmouth poll in SC:

    Biden: 39%
    Harris: 12%
    Sanders: 10%
    Warren: 9%

    Black voters in the state are sticking by him. He’s got 51% among black voters, and 24% among white voters.

  297. Wes says:

    Mikey’s Senators, people. Trying to destroy your livelihood and wreck the economy for half-baked initiatives that would trigger another Great Depression:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/25/gillibrand-2020-election-climate-change-1615073

  298. Tina says:

    Breaking :

    Drats determine that a new Hoax Investigation is needed since Mulehead was senile.

  299. Tina says:

    Republicans fought back and they new the materials better than Mulehead and the drats.

    It also helps that the House Rs led this and not the Rs in the Senate (SSIC).

    Mollie
    @MZHemingway
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    5h
    Bill Bennett says yesterday closed out the period of time when GOP was on defense over probes and now begins the time when they’re on offense.

  300. Hugh says:

    It never occurred to me that mueller was that corrupt and detached. I am glad his reputation is now trash for letting his aides put us through all of this. Now we need some jail time for the conspirators. I feel great today

  301. janz says:

    Jonah Goldberg left the NRO, going out on his own. Since then his obvious dislike for Trump has been on full display.

    However, Goldberg’s most recent comment, favoring Mueller’s character over Trump, merely seems to reflect disfavorably on Goldberg himself, as Mueller’s professional history is chalk full of tainted prosecutions and misdeeds. A few notable ones are: shielding Whitey Bulger from prosecution; the anthrax debacle unjustly accusing people (causing one to successfully sue the govt and the other to kill himself); the Lockerbie bombing case; being a primary player in the uranium transfer to Russia.

    Somehow, the sanctimonious left and never-trumpers feel totally justified assessing an unseemly personality as being far more evil/destructive from those whose misdeeds have hurt others and basically corrupted the interpretation of what fair play and the rule of law really is.

  302. Phil says:

    Mueller no longer useful to Democrats. He’s under the bus along with the porn lawyer who was thrown under the bus months ago.

    Use them and dump them. Democrats. It’s how they do things.

  303. lisab says:

    Bill Maher: If this Mueller testimony was supposed to be “the movie”, it’s a Terrence Malick movie. Democrats are a political party that does not know how to do politics… I can’t watch this anymore. Go home, guys. You made O J try on the glove, and it just didn’t work. You can still win the election, but I wouldn’t bet my own money on it.

  304. lisab says:

    Hillary Clinton:

    RIP Jeffrey Epstein, it’s a shame you “fell down the stairs” in the hospital while “sleep walking”. Bill and I are devastated.

  305. lisab says:

    #ClintonBodyCount Trends on Twitter, Democrats Blame Russia

  306. lisab says:

    Grant Stern
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    Russia didn’t wait long to prove Mueller 100% correct about Putin interfering in our politics today with the #ClintonBodyCount trending hashtag.

  307. NYCmike says:

    The Epstein news is not surprising. He must have a lot of information about a lot of people!

    Maybe “CG” and Robbie are helping the investigators go thru the papers to find dirt on Trump, at which time the investigation will be concluded.

  308. NYCmike says:

    I would also ask – How is Epstein not on a 24 hour watch??

  309. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    314. So the crazy leftists believe the #ClintonBodyCount rising higher on internet search list, because of its number of hits, was caused by Russian troll farms. And that is proof of Putin interfering in our politics. Here is a response to this insanity.

    “Yup, that crafty ol’ Putin really screwed us with a president who has given us a booming economy, over 6 million jobs created, lowest minority unemployment rate in recorded history, lower taxes, new trade deals, record high stock market, GDP back up over 3.0%. This is horrible!
    ??? @rjeffries99 5h5 hours ago
    They’ll keep blaming Russia. It’s all you can do when you have no platform, no message, no leader, and no chance in 2020!”

  310. Cash Cow TM says:

    Went with Walt on the back way to town…there is a RR crossing. 129 cars carrying coal.

    12,900 tons of coal headed to east coast.

    Suck it global warming pushers.

  311. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    316. “I would also ask – How is Epstein not on a 24 hour watch??”

    If we allow children at the time of birth to be aborted, why don’t we allow a person convicting of a serious felony to abort themselves?

  312. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Epstein can abort himself AFTER he gives up the names of his associates.

  313. Tina says:

    Have joe and Mika Scarfarce taken down muelheads portrait?

    Are they both on suicide watch?

  314. Tina says:

    Mullah Omar

    “Americans should be more fearful of white men.”

  315. Wes says:

    RRH is reweighting polls now.

    It wasn’t a good sign Romney when Polaris did it.

    It wasn’t a good sign for Hillary when MD did it.

    It’s not a good sign for Trump now that RRH is doing it.

  316. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    RRH adheres to the sacred poll percentage that will signal Trump will be re-elected. Our now missing concerned troll would be proud.

    “People cite 46% as the magic approval for Trump to win in 2020, and I’m starting to come around to the conventional wisdom.”

  317. Tina says:

    Scheme Team will be back, despite Muleheads horrible “performance.”

    We have not heard from the Commie, the Penguin, Mccrook, Pete the Cheat, the Mistress, and Comedy.

  318. Tina says:

    Trump got 22 percent of black American support in the faux news poll.

  319. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It is unbelievable the Democrats missed this — if so, one of their worst errors of the Trump presidency.

    “Republicans had expected former special counsel Robert Mueller’s feeble testimony and some even strategized around that fact as they prepared their questions, Rep. Matt Gaetz said Thursday.
    A day after Mr. Mueller’s appearance before Congress, described by some as “befuddled” and others as a “disaster” for Democrats, Mr. Gaetz said the 74-year-old prosecutor’s health had been a hot topic in GOP prep sessions.
    “There were some House Republicans in our prep sessions patting themselves on the back about that and feeling optimistic about assertions he might not be all there,” the Florida Republican told The Washington Times.
    He said he hadn’t believed those colleagues and had warned to expect a razor-sharp Mueller, but “it turned out the rumors we’ve been hearing about his condition seemed accurate.”
    “I told my colleagues to expect him to be like a wolverine and they better know every chapter and verse and citation for every question,” he said.
    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, who wasn’t part of the questioning of Mr. Mueller, nonetheless said he was aware of Mr. Mueller’s frailty ahead of the hearing.
    “I know he’s in a weakened condition,” the South Carolina Republican told The Times.
    He said the Democrats never should have pressured Mr. Mueller to testify, given “his condition.”

  320. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    327. So the Democrats want to use a report to impeach Trump prepared by someone who “was not all there.” And are also likely to nominate a presidential candidate in 2020 who also may “not be all there.”

  321. Tina says:

    If there is a health issue with Mulehead, when did it start?

    This raises questions about the judgment of Redactstein, who appointed Mulehead.

  322. Tina says:

    And if Mulehead was in a flailed condition, why did he accept the Sc position?

    Was he forced too?

  323. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    330. (1.) Either his health was better when he was first appointed special prosecutor, or (2.) he was the Republican figurehead they used while the real work was done in the investigation by a core of bitterly anti-Trump individuals. Could be a combination of (1.) and (2.).

    At this point, the Mueller Report and entire investigation is basically discredited. Also, now people are going to take a closer look at Biden’s mental health.

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump’s weird kind of unintentional political genius is to drive his opponents crazy.” Tucker Carlson

  325. Tina says:

    Alleged (cough cough) Russian interference changed no votes, per the corrupt SSIC. Redactstein mentioned this a year ago but…

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/senate-intel-panel-releases-first-chapter-of-report-into-russian-interference-says-no-votes-were-changed/

  326. Tina says:

    President Trump: I can honestly say the top three or four are doing better than the rest. Sleepy Joe is doing good but he’s fading. I think he’s fading fast. The only good thing about Mueller is it made Joe Biden look like a dynamo.

  327. lisab says:

    BREAKING: A$AP issued a statement this morning that he converted to Islam. Swedish authorities just announced they have dropped all charges against him

  328. Tina says:

    Jim Jordan destroying F. Mulehead 6 plus years ago during the irs scandal.

    Seems like Mulehead was fixing things for the drats back then.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-X76FP0PaM&time_continue=10

  329. Bitterlaw says:

    Eye update – I can stop taking antibiotics. Pressure in eye is still a little elevated but steroid eye drops should help.

  330. VictrC says:

    Bitter

    I sure do hope that your eye gets better soon. That can not be any fun.

  331. Wobbles says:

    If you just cherry pick the polls you like, no need to re-weight them.

  332. jason says:

    This is certainly why I support Boris Johnson:

    “Why I’m Rooting For Boris Johnson.

    I’m rooting for him, hard, as you should, too. And there’s reason to suspect that, this time, the man might be suited for the challenge and the hour.

    I’m rooting for him, first, because the alternatives are much worse. Waiting to feast on the entrails of a failed Johnson premiership are, from the left, Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn — a man who called for closing down NATO, eulogized Hugo Chávez, and kept company with Holocaust deniers — and, from the right, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage — a man who said he’d get rid of anti-discrimination employment laws because “there should be a presumption for British employers in favor of them employing British people as opposed to somebody from Poland.”

    As between (a) an anti-Semitic bigot and (c) an anti-immigrant bigot, I’ll choose (b): Boris, who has even called for amnesty for some illegal immigrants.

    I’m rooting for him, second, because Britain needs a successful Brexit, and he may be the only political figure in Britain who can do it.”

  333. jason says:

    Nobody wants a one-eyed A-hole, so I hope Bitter gets better too.

  334. jason says:

    UN condemns Israel for “violating women’s rights”

    Saudi Arabia voted for the resolution.

  335. Victrc says:

    343. Talk about the definition of irony.

    I cant imagine how they could vote to condemn Israel for violating women’s rights, its literally one of the most “progressive” places for women. Ive dealt with just as many women as men, in both the private and public sector. Strange.

    Im sure the Squad was in heaven.

    Btw whats up with this place today, nobody is here!!!

  336. jason says:

    Who you calling nobody?

  337. jason says:

    The trolls are upset Mueller was a bust.

    The never-Trumpers are upset Mueller was a bust.

    The AFL-CIO conservatives are on vacation.

    Bitter has a bad eye.

  338. jason says:

    Fortunately, nobody in the Dem leadership will listen to him.

    “Anyone who was looking for the smoking gun yesterday didn’t get it,” said Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-N.Y.), who ousted a Republican incumbent by fewer than 500 votes in last year’s midterm elections. “It’s time to move on and focus on getting some bills passed here that can get signed into law.”

  339. Victrc says:

    Jason….I should have said only the “somebody’s” are here today. Lol. You and I.

    Regarding Brindisi I think he and a number of moderates D’s Who won last cycle are dead men walking because of the squad and the prez candidates who have moved the party so far left. I don’t know how they are going to be able to rationalize to their constituents that a D majority in the House is better. It will be interesting to see

    Yes yes yes. I know. Trump will drag them down (saving others the time of writing this)

  340. lisab says:

    Ilhan Omar SPLITS with her husband and moves into luxury Minneapolis penthouse as she heads for a SECOND divorce with the father of her three children

  341. lisab says:

    The true Cable Queen! Megyn Kelly ziplines over a Montana River on family vacation – as network executive says they ‘need’ her no-nonsense demeanor to reign in Trump during the presidential debates

  342. Waingro says:

    I hope he realizes that the US Trade Rep can only recommend policy and has no authority to “take action”.

    Donald J. Trump
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    The WTO is BROKEN when the world’s RICHEST countries claim to be developing countries to avoid WTO rules and get special treatment. NO more!!! Today I directed the U.S. Trade Representative to take action so that countries stop CHEATING the system at the expense of the USA!

  343. jason says:

    Will the Dems lose seats in the House in 2020 no matter who wins the Presidency?

    Let’s see some predictions.

  344. jason says:

    I hope he realizes that the US Trade Rep can only recommend policy and has no authority to “take action”.

    I doubt it.

    But I am sure the AFL-CIO conservatives will cancel vacation to applaud this latest isolationist/protectionist garbage.

  345. jason says:

    If the Dems lose 10 seats in the House they might have trouble passing the most left wing parts of their agenda, that would put them at about 225 seats. There are not a lot of moderate Dems but you might get 10 or so to balk at some of the most wacko st-ff.

  346. NYCmike says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGHTr5wG5d0

    -You have to love baseball!

    Also, last position player to get credit for a W was also a Baltimore Oriole (Chris Davis), and you actually see him hugging the pitcher who got the save yesterday.

  347. NYCmike says:

    I will cancel a vacation when the WTO renders judgment on China, AND enforces it as well.

  348. NYCmike says:

    “Will the Dems lose seats in the House in 2020 no matter who wins the Presidency?”

    -Good question.

  349. Wes says:

    Dems wins 41 seats last year, most in GOP-friendly areas. There aren’t even five Republican Congressmen left in districts Hillary carried. Even though I fully expect Trump to lose, Dems are overexposed on GOP turf, making their loss of seats next year a near certainty.

  350. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    359. Agree with Wes. The Democrats are overexposed, and may lose seats. Not sure they will lose enough so that the Republicans gain a majority in the House. Believe they will lose a couple of seats in California. As discussed before, Wes and I differ on Trump’s re-election prospects; at this point I would rate it at 50%.

  351. lisab says:

    “Will the Dems lose seats in the House in 2020 no matter who wins the Presidency?”

    that is the never trumper holy grail

    and was their hope with president hillary

    never trumpers believe that a biden (or hillary) presidency with a closely divided or republican house would be approximately what a mccain, romney, or jeb presidency would be

    and thus not so bad

    the policies would be open borders, continuous wars and increasing federal power

  352. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, am sure everyone remembers Trump’s diatribe against Mia Love — that she lost because she “did not show him much love.”

    Here is a recent poll of Trump’s popularity in the Utah 4th congressional district:

    Utah Political Trends/ Y2 Analytics:
    50% Strongly Disapprove
    9% Somewhat Disapprove
    37% Approve

  353. lisab says:

    Study finds transgender people more politically conservative than straight men

  354. lisab says:

    CNN Editor Celebrated Deaths of ‘Jewish Pigs’ in Tweets…

  355. lisab says:

    IMAM: “With the way you’re behaving, I’m not surprised that even your brother divorced you.”

  356. Wes says:

    Yet Mnw criticized Mia Love for turning against Trump after his diatribe, SDC.

    Hm.

    Maybe Mia Love didn’t appreciate having the President humiliate her after her loss.

    What are the odds?

  357. Wes says:

    Of course when Trump loses next year I think the GOP should return the favor and have Republicans the voters don’t reject launch into an extended tirade denigrating Trump for losing and close it by singing,”Nah nah nah nah! Nah nah nah nah! Hey hey hey! Goodbye!”

    No President would deserve it more.

  358. lisab says:

    106-year-old about to lose home since 1943 due to NJ $9,400 annual property tax

  359. NYCmike says:

    #368 – GOFUNDME, or some such app, would be perfect for that issue. I would donate a small amount to help out……..although, I would ask about that persons voting record…….

  360. Wes says:

    Martha Roby—Born two years to the day before me—will not seek re-election, presumably because of her dislike for the Donald.

    Godspeed, Martha, in future endeavors.

  361. Wes says:

    He lives in New Jersey, Mikey. There’s a 100% chance he has always voted for corrupt, liberal Democrats to represent him.

  362. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    369. “A 106-year-old Cranford woman on the verge of losing her home in a tax sale got a reprieve after NJ 101.5 called attention to the issue and helped raise over $14,000 on the GoFundMe site.”

    Apparently the woman’s daughter lost her job 8 years ago, and “has been caring for her mother round-the-clock ever since.” Time to appoint a conservator for the mother to audit and manage the mother’s financial affairs.

  363. NYCmike says:

    #372 – Thanks!

    Funny part is that in Cranford lives one of my cousins, very liberal, and a childhood friend and her husband, also very liberal.

    I hope they gave some money!

  364. DW says:

    Current RCP status of the 26 communists who want to take away your remaining freedoms, plus jason who is running as a D:

    1 – Biden: 29.3 (+3.1)
    2 – Sanders: 15 (-0.2)
    3 – Warren: 14.5 (-0.7)
    4 – Harris: 11.8 (-3.2)
    5 – Buttigieg: 5 (-0.3)
    6 – O’Rourke : 2.7 (+0.5)
    7 – Yang: 2 (+0.7)
    8 – Booker: 1.7 (-0.4)
    9 – Klobuchar : 1.3 (+0.1)
    10 – Gabbard: 1 (-0.3)
    11 – Castro: 1 (-0.3)
    12 – Delaney: 0.7 (+0.4)
    13 – de Blasio : 0.7 (+0.4)
    14 – Bullock: 0.7 (+0.2)
    15 – Hickenlooper: 0.5 (-0.2)
    16 – Gillibrand: 0.5 (+0.3)
    17 – Williamson: 0.3 (-0.2)
    18 – Bennet: 0.3 (-0.2)
    19 – Ryan: 0.3 (+0.1)
    20 – jason
    21 – Inslee: 0 (-0.3)
    22 – Sestak: 0
    23 – Moulton: 0
    24 – Messam : 0
    25 – Gravel: 0
    26 – Swalwell: Dropped out
    27 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  365. DW says:

    Wes, I think its a bit premature to say Trump will definitely lose next year.

    1. Its too far away. Most incumbents in this position get judged by voters most intensely against what they did in the months leading up to the election. Those events (good or bad) have not happened yet.

    2. Its too much a wild-card in the Dem primary. Anyone who says they know who the Dem nominee will be is just guessing.

  366. DW says:

    3. We know there were a lot of GOP voters who did not vote or voted 3rd party. Many of these will be satisfied enough that Trump deserves a shot at another four years. I don’t know of any of Trump’s most ardent supporters who are disappointed and will not support him again.

    4. I think there are some states out there that Trump did not win last time that could flip next year. NH, MN, NM, CO and NV come to mind. Any of these could help against a state like MI or WI that flips back to blue.

    5. I would not discount the data out there that seems to say minority voters are supporting Trump at a percentage greater than normal.

  367. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING: An 83 year old, Carter appointed Judge just tossed the Covington High School Case against the Washington Post. APPEAL!!

  368. Wes says:

    I understand all that, DW.

    I haven’t seen Trump lose any supporters. I have, however, seen previously neutral people turn against him. (I’m the exception among people I know since I’m voting for him next year, albeit passionlessly.) I’ve also see the Hillarybots maintain their enthusiasm against him.

    As for the minorities, honestly I haven’t seen any hard data to support that contention. Trump ran ahead of Romney but behind GWB among minorities, and minority turnout was a decisive negative for the GOP last year.

    Given all this plus all polling including Trump’s internals, I’m comfortable with declaring him a likely loser for reelection.

  369. Hugh says:

    While the numbers are not large I know of no one who voted for trump last time switching. I know two people who did not vote for trump who will this time vote for trump. my gay brother in law and my son. The latter did not vote for hrc either. All antidotal but quite honestly trump was every bit the as s clown then that he is now so after killing it economically and the dems being complete nut jobs why would a trump voter switch to a dem

  370. lisab says:

    i gave 36,017 close friends who have all told me they will now vote for trump after voting democrat every election since 1775

  371. Tina says:

    Boom jebots lose again. Told you with the national emergency declaration, he could use military funds to construct the wall. Congress could take that power back, but they phuqed themselves.

    Conversation

    Greg Stohr
    @GregStohr
    BREAKING: Supreme Court backs Trump on border wall, lets administration start using reprogrammed Pentagon dollars to construct more than 100 miles of fencing.
    3:23 PM · Jul 26, 2019·Twitter Web App

  372. Tina says:

    With the Sc ruling, rinos like Quittens and Asquish also lose.

  373. Tina says:

    Guatemala, facing tariffs, buckles.

    US and Guatemala sign immigration agreement to provide “safe third country” arrangements for those in Guatemala seeking asylum in US. (Pool photo:
    @W7VOA
    )

  374. Tina says:

    Surprised as heck that Souter 2.0 made the correct decision here.

    Breyer tried to split it, but the 3 commies, of course, sided contrary to the law.

  375. jason says:

    “I haven’t seen Trump lose any supporters. I have, however, seen previously neutral people turn against him.”

    I haven’t seen Trump lose anyone who actually voted for him, so I don’t know who these “previously neutral” people were. You mean they didn’t vote at all and now will vote for one of the socialists? I suppose they exist.

    And he has gained some votes from those who didn’t vote for him, like you and me and my wife, not sure how many.

    I wonder if these groups cancel each other out.

    I have a gut feeling the 2020 election will look a lot like 2020, and Trump is going to have win 2 out of 3 of Hillary’s old firewall states PA, WI, and MI.

    The only states he lost that maybe he can be competitive are those he lost narrowly like NH, MN and ME. He was close in NC too, but MN is trending R in Presidential elections while NV is trending Dem.

    I think Trump is in a decent position to win FL, OH and NC again. Will still need some more states, and those will be tough to come by.

  376. jason says:

    Close in NV.

  377. Ron N says:

    385 I believe he only needs one of them or Minnesota to get to 270. Not 2 of 3

  378. jason says:

    Well, he got 304 electoral votes, and PA and MI have 36 EV’s, so with only WI he would only have 268.

    If he lost both of them he would have to win NH at least.

  379. Phil says:

    There ain’t nothing comfortable about Trump losing to any of the socialists in 2020.

  380. Wes says:

    Trump came close in MN but still lost it. Most likely that was because Hillary largely ignored the state to try to pell off Romney states such as NC. Republicans have a decades worth of narrow losses to blowout defeats in MN going back to 2008, so I doubt Trump flips it—especially since the GOP is taking it on the chin in the state’s most populous areas. The places where Trump did best are probably enough to net a House seat and some legislative seats, but until Republicans can forge a viable coalition of the rural areas such as the Iron Range along with suburban areas—a notorious weak spot for the GOP under Trump—I don’t see how Trump flips the state.

  381. lisab says:

    my favourite is,

    “my gf/wife/sister and her gf/wife/sister have all decided to vote against trump after being lifelong republicans”

  382. jason says:

    MN would not do it if lost the other 3, it only has 10 EVs.

    But I do think MN is a sleeper in 2020. I think a lot of people there are going to be turned off by this Omar woman.

    Plus the “my pillow” guy said he is going to try to help Trump win the state, the guy has definitely become somewhat of a celebrity, and he makes everything in MN.

  383. jason says:

    epublicans have a decades worth of narrow losses to blowout defeats in MN going back to 2008,”

    Right, but the same thing was said about WI, PA, and MI in 2016, so I am skeptical that is cast in stone.

  384. Wes says:

    As far as N.C., I don’t see the Dems winning here. Remember, Obama had to pull out all the stops in 2008 to eke out a .3% win here—which he could not replicate despite having the DNC take place in Charlotte—while my fellow Tarheels have trended against the Dems to varying degrees, especially on the sub presidential federal level. I do think Trump loses about half his 3.5-point 2016 win and takes the state by a roughly 49-47 margin.

    Dem strength is concentrated mostly in the black counties of the northeast part of the state, the Triangle, Charlotte, and Bunscombe County. The GOP has solid advantages in about 60-65 counties, giving them a slight advantage Dems can overcome only in extraordinary circumstances. Roy Cooper caught a perfect storm with the so-called “Bathroom Bill” to run just far enough ahead of Hillary in the GOP areas to win while Deborah Ross did not. Trump will hold his own in these GOP base areas while the Dem will benefit from anti-Trump enthusiasm to narrow his margin—but still lose.

    The Dems running for Senate are a collective joke and will run behind the presidential nominee just as Ross did. Cooper will run ahead of the standard bearer, but if Dan Forest—the likely GOP nominee—runs a solid campaign, this race becomes a true Tossup dependent on how well Cooper appeals to Trump supporters to split their ballots or Forest convinces them to stay with Trump’s party.

    My rankings for the Big Three next year:

    President-Likely R

    Senate-More Likely R

    Governor-Tossup

    We could see a repeat of 2016 with an R-R-D split though now that Cooper is no longer powerless with the ability to sustain a veto, Republicans have a solid chance of unseating him.

  385. lisab says:

    as always it depends

    how cray cray will the dems get?

    and

    will biden be the nominee?

    trump vs. harris? mn will be in play

  386. Wes says:

    One big difference between MN and the three states you cited, Jason:

    Republicans has won statewide victories for Senate and/or Governor in those states in 2010 and 2014 and had a blueprint for victory. Even then, Trump only scraped by in 2016. MN was one of three states in 2010 to trend toward the Dems in both Obama’s midterms, the others being CA and HI. Trump did come close but still lost MN in 2016 even with Hillary’s ignoring the state to try to poach Romney states such as N.C.

    Until Republicans actually prove they can win something bigger than a legislative district up there, I’m not betting Trump will flip the state Dems have their longest string of presidential victories in.

  387. Ron N says:

    388 sorry but didn’t not get 304 trump got 306 so it would be enough.

  388. jason says:

    Most likely that was because Hillary largely ignored the state”

    Nah, the “Hillary ignored” meme is overrated. She had plenty of surrogates pushing her in MN.

    The reason MN was close was the same reason Trump did well in the rust belt, a lot of blue collar Obama counties went to Trump. While Hillary won the twin cities by almost 2-1 (a third of the state) she lost every other area of the state including the twin city suburbs.

    Hillary only one 9 counties in MN in 2016. Obama in 2012 won 26. Not that Obama killed the state either, he got 52.6%.

  389. Wes says:

    Right. Hillary was barnstorming MN in 2016.

    Sure.

    We’ll go with that. It’s not true, but I guess it makes you feel better.

  390. Ron N says:

    Jason 304 because 2 from Texas did not vote for president Trump but he win 306

  391. lisab says:

    trump and hillary both visited minnesota 1 time each

  392. jason says:

    Neither Hillary or Trump barnstormed MN, but Hillary had a lot more organization and party support in MN than Trump did. I bet she spent a lot more too.

    She almost lost MN for the same reasons she got killed in Ohio and lost PA, MI and WI.

    And it wasn’t because “she ignored the state”.

  393. jason says:

    Ron is correct, Trump won 306 EV’s so he only needs one of 3 if he keeps all the other states.

  394. NYCmike says:

    Could you imagine if the networks are going crazy about the Democratic candidate winning WI, PA and MI, only to then pay attention to MN and see Trump ahead by like 50,000 votes or so at 10PM?

    I don’t think Al Franken has that many cars…..unless Uber and Lyft join up with him.

    That would be EPIC!

    BUT, Hopefully, Trump will add to his total from 2016 and it is an early night.

  395. NYCmike says:

    Trump would then end up with 270…….as long as Maine gives him the 1 Electoral vote…….YIKES!

  396. lisab says:

    Around 9% of voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 crossed party lines to endorse Donald Trump in 2016. A new study (n>64,000) suggests that among white voters, vote switching was more likely to be associated with attitudes toward race and immigration than economic factors.

  397. lisab says:

    US and Guatemala sign Safe Third Country Agreement

  398. Tina says:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
    ·
    38m
    93% of Republicans “Trump is better than I expected” All Voters 48% up 6 since June. (Global Strategy group Poll at FiveThirtyEight)

  399. Wes says:

    Jason backtracks from his nonsensical argument and adds the ever reliable “I bet” to his statement to try to make it sound as if he knows what he’s talking about.

    All right.

    It’s just like when you said Republicans could have gotten Walker across the finish line if they’d invested more in WI-Gov. The GOP outspent the Dems in that race by 2-1.

    Reality doesn’t fit your narrative, so you ignore it out of convenience.

  400. lisab says:

    Stephen Miller
    ?
    Omar and her husband have divorced?

    I guess Omar and her husband have decided to see other siblings.

  401. lisab says:

    McConnell confirmed only 18 Obama district judges in TWO YEARS. Now, he wants to confirm 19 Trump district judges in ONE WEEK.

  402. lisab says:

    Supreme Court just approved $2.5B in pentagon funds to be used for border wall!

    hawaiian judge has just blocked construction based on environmental concerns … homosapians would be unable to cross border

  403. lisab says:

    alyssa milano is a little upset about scotus

  404. lisab says:

    Alyssa Milano Says Pro-Lifers Should Shut Up If They Support Executing Child Murderers

  405. lisab says:

    Alyssa Milano in Tears: ‘We Are Destroying Children’s Lives’ over ‘Arbitrary Lines in the Sand’

  406. lisab says:

    Alyssa Milano: Jeb Bush Should ‘Seriously’ Consider Challenging Trump

  407. lisab says:

    Alyssa Milano tweets images comparing Mike Pence to Holocaust architect Heinrich Himmler

  408. Bitterlaw says:

    I just watched 2 episodes of a new Amazon show – The Boys- If is about corrupt super heroes. Unfortunately, I did not realize it is based on a series of comic books until after the second episode. I don’t know if Wes will call me a front runner if I watch the final 6 episodes.

  409. Tgca says:

    420

    Ha! I watched the 1st three episodes of The Boyz last night on Amazon too. How freaky! Me and Bitter seem to be into the same chit! I hope I don’t get the urge to go to a flower show this weekend or wear a sweater…it’s too warm for that.

  410. Tina says:

    What a disastrous week for the Drats.

    The actions of scheme team imploded. Mulehead looked like an incompetent and corrupt stooge.

    SC decision oks diverting military funds to border, in sharp rebuke of the open border crowd,

  411. Bitterlaw says:

    Tgca- There are no sweaters in my house. I prayed them away.

  412. jason says:

    It’s just like when you said Republicans could have gotten Walker across the finish line if they’d invested more in WI-Gov. The GOP outspent the Dems in that race by 2-1.”

    LOL

    Well, yeah, since Walker only lost by a few thousand votes, he of course would have won if the GOP had invested more in his race.

    Or do you have any doubts if they had invested 2.5-1 he would have overcome those few thousand votes?

    But thanks for confirming my point.

  413. jason says:

    wes wants to have it both ways.

    Walker would not have won WI if the GOP invested more in his race, but Hillary would have won WI if only she had invested in a few more campaign workers.

    The reality is resources DO count, and no doubt Hillary could have won those close states had she invested more in them in hindsight.

    What I don’t agree with is that she lost PA, MI, Wi, and almost lost MN because she “ignored” them. She didn’t. She vastly outspent and out organized Trump in all 4 of them, and except for WI she had the state government machines working for her.

    In hindsight, she should have spent more in WI, PA, and MI and less in states she lost anyway, FL, NC and OH, especially OH, where she spent a ton and lost by 500,000 votes.

    The GOP should have spent more in the WI governor’s race where Walker lost by 1%.

    Sue me.

  414. jason says:

    Mark Lindell of “My Pillow” fame….

    “The answer is not at this time,” Lindell said. “If the Lord wanted me to run I would run, and it was like all of these yesterday I was bombarded in the news, they’re going ‘We heard you’re with run we heard you’re running.’ I would love to do it. But I’ve got such a big platform going on right now and I want to help the president help — help turn Minnesota completely red, and get right people in office to be one of the amazing states in the country.

  415. jason says:

    Sounds like he wants to make MN great again…

  416. Bitterlaw says:

    My Pillow was a huge disappointment to me. I thought I would finally sleep better. It did not happen.

  417. Tina says:

    Robert Mueller was a huge disappointment to me.

    -Jebot

  418. jason says:

    Really? I thought it made a big difference to me. I really miss it when I travel.

  419. Wes says:

    Jason, Republicans outspent Democrats 2-1 in Wisconsin last year. That means 67% of the money spent was there to help Walker win re-election. He still lost.

    When the incumbent loses despite such a huge spending disparity, it’s clear voters have simply soured on him.

    It’s like arguing Dems should have spent more to reelect Corzine in New Jersey in 2009. They spent a ton more to win than Republicans did. Christie still won because Corzine had passed his sell-by date.

    Forgive me for acknowledging the foreign (to you) concept of political reality.

  420. Bitterlaw says:

    In a stunning development, I agree with Wes. Walker was well known since it seemed like he had to run in a recall or general election every month. I don’t more money would have saved him.

  421. Wes says:

    Jason adopts his positions and never waivers from them despite evidence, Bitter.

    For instance he claims Karen Handel was a “darn good” candidate for Congress who won 42% in a nonexistent GOP primary in 2016.

    The reality is that Handel was known as a political lightweight with an unremarkable political career who had luckily drawn equally lackluster opponents in the primary and general in her bids for GASOS.

    In the jungle primary, Handel—despite being the best-known candidate in the race and the only one to have appeared on the ballot in every county in the district—she won an anemic 19% of the vote and trailed a Star Wars-cosplaying carpetbagger for most of the race, never gaining traction till shortly before the election when congressional Republicans became victims of a terrorist incident at a baseball game. She narrowly won by 3.8% in a district the three Republicans who had preceded her in the seat had consistently won by double digits.

    In Congress, Handel was a nonentity with minimal constituent service skills and little presence in her district. She was a lackluster fundraiser and made few moves to lock down the seat. She lost re-election after three quarters of a term in Congress.

    All of this screams “darn good candidate” to Jason. It says to me lackluster, mediocre pol whose time finally ran out.

  422. Wes says:

    Error correction:

    Handel ran in a special in 2017, not 2016.

  423. lisab says:

    uh oh …

    bitterlaw has not been exonerated for the 9-11 attacks

  424. lisab says:

    CNN Editor Resigns After History of Antisemitism Resurfaces

    Jerry Dunleavy
    @JerryDunleavy
    · Jul 25, 2019
    NEW: Mohammed Elshamy (@elshamyme) — a photographer and writer recently hired by @CNN — has numerous old posts showing he was a vicious anti-Semite, celebrating the deaths of “Jewish pigs” in terrorist attacks, praising Hamas, attacking “Zionists”, &

  425. lisab says:

    Downing Street says Prime Minister Boris Johnson and U.S. President Donald Trump have agreed to start talks about a free trade deal as soon as possible after the UK leaves the European Union.

  426. lisab says:

    UN resolutions name Israel as world’s only country violating women’s rights

  427. lisab says:

    Deregulation explodes under Trump, 13 regulations killed for every new one

  428. lisab says:

    CDC: People with dirt on the Clintons have an 843% greater risk of suicide

  429. lisab says:

    Siri ‘regularly’ records sex encounters, sends ‘countless’ private moments to Apple contractors

    Apple’s Siri AI assistant sends audio of sexual encounters, embarrassing medical information, drug deals, and other private moments recorded without users’ knowledge to human ‘graders’ for evaluation, a whistleblower has revealed.
    Recordings from Apple’s Siri voice assistant are fed to human contractors around the world, who grade the AI based on the quality of its response and whether its activation was deliberate, according to an anonymous contractor who spoke to the Guardian. They claimed accidental activations are much more frequent than Apple lets on, especially with Apple Watch users – and wants the company to own up to the problem.

    “There have been countless instances of recordings featuring private discussions between doctors and patients, business deals, seemingly criminal dealings, sexual encounters and so on. These recordings are accompanied by user data showing location, contact details, and app data,” the whistleblower revealed.

  430. Victrc says:

    LisaB

    Can you post the link for that Apple story.

    Thanks

  431. lisab says:

    there are a bunch of stories, but here is one

    Apple contractors ‘regularly hear confidential details’ on Siri recordings
    Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings

  432. Victrc says:

    Thanks Lisa!

  433. lisab says:

    Former Bernie Sanders staffer files charge alleging retaliation for union activities

  434. lisab says:

    Just say, ‘Trump will kill your dog!’ Liberal journalist advises only way to beat Trump is to lie

    A longtime self-described “journalist” published what appeared to be a column (though it wasn’t labeled as such) this weekend suggesting that the only way for the Democrat Party to beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 elections is for the party and its allies to tell outright lies about him (too late).

    “Trump will kill your dog!” reads the Salon report/column by Lucian K. Truscott IV, whose past experience reportedly includes “cover[ing] stories such as Watergate, the Stonewall riots and wars in Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    “When he’s finished putting down your dog, Trump is going to take away your health care, raise your taxes, eliminate your job, take away your right to an abortion, limit your right to vote, turn your air and water brown, cut your Social Security and Medicare, and tell you if you don’t like it, you can leave.”

    Lucian K Truscott IV
    @LucianKTruscott
    There is no such thing as exaggerating what Donald Trump is capable of. If it means more money for him an his Republican pals, he’ll kill your dog.

    Despite every allegation Truscott trotted out being a fabrication, he believes “[t]his is the message Democrats have to carry to the country in 2020” … regardless of “who’s the nominee.”

    “We already know all this stuff is true, and we don’t need ‘facts’ to surmise that if given half a chance Trump and his minions will find some way to make euthanizing shelter animals easier and more profitable. For Donald Trump and the Republican Party he leads, money and cruelty is who they are. It’s what they do,” he continued opining in his “report.”

  435. lisab says:

    Ted Lieu floats theory that someone ‘got to’ Mueller to change testimony

  436. Tina says:

    Drats want to impeach because of the supreme courts decision on diverting military monies to the wall.

    Tell the drats to repeal the national emergency act.

  437. Tina says:

    According to the media, they knew “for over a year” that Mulehead had cognitive issues. Really?

  438. lisab says:

    India Investigating Female Feticide In 132 Villages Without Girl Births

  439. lisab says:

    U.S. in Top 10 of most dangerous countries for women

    #MeToo and #TimesUp catapult America into the club of world’s most anti-women countries

    1. india
    2. afghanistan
    3. syria
    4. somalia
    5. saudi arabia
    6. pakistan
    7. the congo
    8. yemen
    9. nigeria
    10. united states

  440. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    452. Trump’s polling in Utah is bad:

    1.) Utah Policy.com/ Y2 Analytics: Who Utahns would vote for in 2020.
    Trump 38%
    Democratic candidate 30%
    Third Party Candidate 12%
    Different Identified Candidate 6%
    Undecided 14%

    2.) Utah Political Trends/ Y2 Analytics: Trump’s Popularity
    44% Strong Disapproval
    9% Somewhat Disapproval
    25% Strong Approval
    17% Somewhat Approval

  441. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    452. By the way, am not overly impressed with the methodology used in the poll:

    “The poll was conducted between June 27 and July 17 and included responses from 2,608 registered Utah voters, drawn from a larger pool of recurring survey participants maintained by Y2 Analytics. Because of different sample sizes based on a statewide or district-specific constituencies, the margins of error range between roughly 2 and 5 percentage points.”

  442. Tina says:

    Seems weird, Sdc. Maybe just a bad sample?

    Everybody under water?