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Biden Leads Three More National Polls By Double Digits

A month ago, Joe Biden was falling and on the verge of losing his front runner status. A month later, it seems that Joe Biden is once again the inevitable nominee for the Democrats. Adding to yesterday’s poll from Quinnipiac University we have polls from Emerson College, Politico and Morning Consult, and The Hill and HarrisX that all give Biden a double-digit lead in the Democratic primary race.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Emerson)
Joe Biden 33%
Bernie Sanders 20%
Elizabeth Warren 14%
Kamala Harris 11%
Pete Buttigieg 6%
Beto O’Rourke 4%
Andrew Yang 2%
Tom Steyer 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Hill/HarrisX)
Joe Biden 34%
Bernie Sanders 20%
Elizabeth Warren 12%
Kamala Harris 9%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Beto O’Rourke 4%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Politico/MC)
Joe Biden 33%
Bernie Sanders 18%
Elizabeth Warren 13%
Kamala Harris 12%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Beto O’Rourke 3%
Cory Booker 3%
Andrew Yang 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

At the General Election level, only Emerson gave us their numbers and it shows a closer race between Trump and the Democrats than recent other polls.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Emerson)
Joe Biden (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 49%

Bernie Sanders (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 49%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 50%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 52%
Kamala Harris (D) 48%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 52%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 48%

The Emerson poll was done July 27-29 among 1233 registered voters and 520 Democratic primary voters. The Politico/Morning Consult poll was done July 22-28 among registered voters. The Hill and HarrisX poll was done July 27-28 among 444 registered primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:18 pm
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424 Responses to “Biden Leads Three More National Polls By Double Digits”

  1. John says:

    Front row center…first in line.

  2. Big Joe says:

    Two

    Big Joe

  3. John says:

    According to the Emerson…”(Biden’s) head to head match up with Trump tightened 8 points in the last three weeks”…
    Also, impeachment was the #1 issue for Democrats surpassing healthcare which prompted ‘impeachment’ into third place behind immigration and the economy as the overall issue.
    Finally, 72% had watched the June debates and now 57% or a -15% drop plan to watch tonight’s and tomorrow night’s debate.

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In the Emerson poll Trump’s approval rating was 45% versus 46% who disapproved.

    In a potential Republican primary race it was Trump 91% and Weld 8%.

    The major question now is Biden’s mental acuity. If he does well in this week’s debate, it is a start to putting the issue behind him. I would assume that Biden has been heavily coached over the last couple of weeks in preparation for the debate.

    Wondering if Mueller’s poor performance before Congress played any part in Trump’s higher poll numbers in the Emerson poll? He has been effective in making “The Squad” the face of the Democratic Party.

  5. VictrC says:

    The Big number 4!

    AP ran an article today that said they spoke to suburban women voters in CO, WI, MI etc and that it was going to be a big problem for Trump becuase, to paraphrase, he wasn’t nice to people.

    they made the article seem as if they found a plethora (do you even know what a plethora is?) of suburban women
    Republican voters, but…reading the article more, their quotes come from…you guessed it, Dem voters (or those who said they were dem voters who could consider voting for Trump…if not for…). And they never told us how many women they talked to, but you can guess from the quotes it probably wasn’t many.

    Now…with that said, Trump has a problem with Suburban women and should try to find a way to tone down the rhetoric, but how intellectually misleading is this article.

  6. NYCmike says:

    I would go with jason’s reasoning from 2016 – if Trump is within 2% nationally, he should be able to pull out an electoral victory…….”CG” and Robbie grimace as they scan the polls…..

  7. John says:

    Gallup poll just released…Trump up now to 44% or close to his highest number…I believe Obama at this same time was a 42%.

  8. jason says:

    Was talking to a diehard lib today. You know, someone who actually thinks Al Gore is an authority on climate change.

    Told me he wasn’t excited by ANY of the Dems, will not watch the debates.

    Will vote for any of them over Trump.

  9. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag has already moved the goalposts from 45% to 48%, so he figures he is safe at 44%.

    It will go to 50% and 52% as needed however, so there is a lot of flexibility.

  10. jason says:

    I would go with jason’s reasoning from 2016 – if Trump is within 2% nationally, he should be able to pull out an electoral victory……”

    It is always smart to go with jason’s reasoning.

    Since polarization now is even greater than in 2016, I might up that to 3%, California is going to be close to clearing 5 million votes for whatever Dem it is, NY another 2, IL maybe 1… that’s 8 million “wasted votes”.

  11. NYCmike says:

    “It is always smart to go with jason’s reasoning.”

    -But avoid the “definitions” at all costs!

  12. NYCmike says:

    https://unitedwithisrael.org/erdogan-whoever-is-on-the-side-of-israel-we-are-against-them/

    -Then again, there is jason’s reasoning about Trump’s NATO comments………….

  13. dblaikie says:

    Jason hits the nail on the head in post 10. He is on a roll today! In fact if you factor in Mass. and Conn. you are probably up to 9 to 10 million wasted votes.

    The other factor which none of these polls, both good or bad won’t touch, are the millions of voters who don’t like Trump, but who cannot embrace the policies where the dems are heading. Call Trump stupid for his tweets, and yes they are mean and crass, but they have now forced the dems to support inner cities like Baltimore, Detroit and St. Louis. Frankly as a tax payer I would like to know where the billions that went to Baltimore was spent?

    He may be crude and many times ugly, but Trump has forced the dems to embrace the policies of the “squad”, defend infanticide, put illegals ahead of our own poor concerning health. The tweets may be uncouth but they are driving the Democratic Party to a place where it will be impossible to win.

  14. Victrc says:

    What he (13) said.

  15. NYCmike says:

    “Call Trump stupid for his tweets, and yes they are mean and crass…”

    -Could someone give an example of what is meant by “mean and crass”?

    Does everywhere outside of NYC consist of a bunch of snowflakes?

  16. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump uses the shock factor in his tweets to get attention. The press falls for it, and gives him free coverage — since they believe the tweets will outrage the voters. The voters who support Trump realize what Trump is up to, and are enjoying the show.

    As someone said. “The press takes Trump literally, and therefore not serious. His supports do not take him literally, but do take him seriously.” Trump rallies are like the circus; Trump supporters are there for the shown, and participate accordingly.

  17. dblaikie says:

    15 Trump is a “in your face” kind of guy. He could care less about being moderate when he is counter punching in tweet land. When that happens he can be crass and mean – but I am slowly learning that someone who is being honest in his crassness is far better than a politician who is just an act.

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Through telepathic envisioning in the spirit of Marianne Williamson, I present you the first picture from tonight’s debate:

    https://twitter.com/tradeCRAFT87/status/1156228994972508160

  19. Phil says:

    Oh man. That’s hilarious!

  20. Phil says:

    So Beto is bringing to the debate a couple of high school black football players who knelt last fall for the Anthem.

    This Beto I’m so sorry for being white tour gets more ridiculous every day. Beto now takes the lead as the biggest fool in the entire field of Democratic candidates…….and wow, that’s really saying something.

    Keep it up, Beto. Proof you, man!

  21. Paul says:

    I can’t imagine that there are that many people in our nation willing to vote for a racist rapist. But America is not what it once was. We are all doomed.

  22. Wes says:

    Yet Beto nearly beat Cruz, Phil. I don’t think Texans are collectively stupid—surely only West Virginians are universally morons—but how bad was Cruz to nearly lose to Beto in Texas regardless of the year?

  23. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    21. “We are all doomed.”

    Somebody needs to establish a troll suicide watch. Did not realize this could happen this early. Why with Mueller and Avenatti on the attack, wasn’t Trump suppose to have been driven out of office by now? An with Biden the leading consensus favorite to beat Trump, does it really matter he might not have enough mental acuity to be able to tie his own shoe?

    Paul, perhaps your right….you may be doomed.

  24. Phil says:

    Wes, Beto didn’t walk around the state calling for tearing down border barriers, free healthcare for illegals, and apologizing nonstop for being white.

    But no, Texans aren’t as dumb as the West Virginia electorate. Of course, no one on the planet IS.

  25. Big Joe says:

    The same Top 6 in all 3 polls.

    Race seems to have returned to equilibrium .. at least at the national level, which of course means nuthin’.

    Big Joe

  26. Victrc says:

    Wes

    Robert Francis wasn’t the same guy during the senate campaign as he is now. He was pretty much an unknown so the left just embraced this young guy who used an assumed Hispanic name to fool people. He kept quiet and didn’t really dsay much about policy during f he senatorial campaign

    He’s revealed himself to be a nut job short term congressman who will say anything

  27. Phil says:

    Yep. What a clown. Entertaining, however.

  28. janz says:

    The dems have been calling anyone they don’t like “a racist” for so long that it just doesn’t carry the weight of repugnance it once held. In fact, the racist tag is seen more as a convenient political smear than anything else. That’s unfortunate too, because it dilutes the real impact of real racism, something found in any human being who discriminates or shows hatred towards another mainly because their color doesn’t match their own!

  29. Tina says:

    Gee Biden never gets selected in the same group with Pocahontas.

  30. Tina says:

    M.Joseph Sheppard
    @SHEPMJS
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    Trump/Baltimore/”Racist” immediate effect on Trump’s approval-especially with Blacks,

    HarrisX Today Trump 47% +1 Blacks 20%
    NB:
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  31. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor extending abortion rights up to two years after fetal separation?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  32. Cash Cow TM says:

    TRUMP IS DOOMED!

    CA legislature passes law that will deny Trump position on the ballot unless he releases his tax returns…and is able to recite the alphabet backwards in less than 7 seconds.

    KISS CALIFORNIA GOODBY, DONALD!

  33. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor evicting citizens from their homes to give them to undocumented immigrants?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  34. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor evicting citizens from their homes to give them to undocumented entrants into the country?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  35. Cash Cow TM says:

    “But no, Texans aren’t as dumb as the West Virginia electorate. Of course, no one on the planet IS.”

    wALT SAID HE HEARD THAT!
    ******************************
    P.S.
    Does Dave the Wizard now require everyone have to type in their name and email on EVERY post now? Or just us cows?

    If it is just us cows, I am calling PETA.

  36. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor a draft lottery forcing one in four Americans to undergo gender transition therapy?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  37. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor 20 year sentences with hard labor for every American who had at least one ancestor who owned slaves.

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  38. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends,
    All the Commies can thuck my hairy dick. Ethpecially Tulthi Gabbard and Elithabeth Wawwen!!

  39. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor government seizure of all not-for-profit church property to convert into government sponsored pot distribution centers.

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  40. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor government takeover of the banking industry, the healthcare industry, the insurance industry, the trucking industry, the shipping industry, the manufacturing industry, the retail industry, the tourism industry and the entertainment industry?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  41. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor free college education, free smartphones, free cars, free boats, free houses and free ice-cream?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  42. DW says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands favor mandatory euthanasia for elderly registered Republicans over 70 years old?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  43. Marco Rubio says:

    From the debate tonight…

    Moderator: How many by show of hands free blowjobs in the street?

    [All candidates raise their hands]

  44. Phil says:

    Over and under for the number of times Beto mentions “white privilege”?

  45. Bitterlaw says:

    In the REAL debate, Warren won’t ship up. Bernie says Medicare for all. Some guy named Delaney just killed his long shot bid by saying not everybody should be on Medicare and they should not have their health care taken away.

  46. Bitterlaw says:

    Mayor Pete would decriminalize border crossings.

    Beto would keep it criminal but let them in.

    Warren believes in border security but would make it meaningless.

  47. jason says:

    I can’t believe you guys can stomach that crap.

    But I did see that Trump’s mentor and guru, Richard Trumka, President of the AFL-CIO, addressed the debate before it started. I am sure he promised to spend hundreds of millions more to elect more liberal Democrats. If he neglected to thank Trump for supporting his agenda he is an ungrateful bastard.

  48. Bitterlaw says:

    They actually debated whether to keep Trump’s tariffs. Consensus was yes but be better at it.

  49. VictrC says:

    I turned it off.

    Warren and Sanders types don’t know anything beyond government control of all parts of your life.

    Ryan and two others tried to be reasonable (well as reasonable as the public option is…let that sink in for awhile…that’s how far left we’ve gone that the public option is considered moderate) and they were shouted down by big government liberals

    Sanders and Warren demonstrated they know nothing about economics or governing. Sanders responded to Ryan asking about the union worker who has goodninsurance that they negotiate for by saying that when they get on government insurance their companies will have to give them higher wages

    And Warren….this isn’t the nineteenth century and the monopoly man doesn’t own corporations, Union pension funds, 401K’s. People’s Retirement plans all own corporations. punishing corporations is punishing anyone with a retirement plan, i.e. The Middle Class

    Also the way they danced around the fact that all of them will raise taxes on the middle class was upsetting.

  50. janz says:

    I read where Ryan refused to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge. That seemed out of character for him, IMO.

  51. Hugh says:

    I did not watch but reading commentary on msm sites. OMG the dems are going to get crushed. It’s awesome what they are proposing. Could be a Reagan type landslide for my as s clown president

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    The Dems are pushing radical ideas. If they convince a few hundred thousand voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA to vote for radical ideas as a means of getting ride of Trump, he loses. Both can be true.

  53. lisab says:

    williamson won the debate

    WILLIAMSON 47.63%
    DELANEY 11.72%
    SANDERS 7.14%
    WARREN 7.06%
    BUTTIGIEG 6.21%
    HICKENLOOPER 5.82%
    BULLOCK 4.87%
    RYAN 4.04%
    KLOBUCHAR 2.79%
    O’ROURKE 2.7%

  54. CG says:

    The only big development from the anthem was that Beto did not take a knee.

  55. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    52. “If they convince a few hundred thousand voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA to vote for radical ideas as a means of getting ride of Trump, he loses. Both can be true.”

    So your going to convince a lot of working class voters in the Midwest to favor open borders, and that every person who illegally enters the U.S. is entitled to full medical coverage paid by the taxpayers. And the way to prevent a wave of immigrants from Central American countries coming to the United States for free medical care is to provide enough aid to those countries so their population does not want to leave.

    Oh, and all these Midwest workers will lose whatever medical insurance they have, and they get to instead go on government medical insurance. Something similar to Medicaid. Given the mass number of people in the new government program, your likely to have the waiting times and poor service you see at a lot of medical clinics in the U.K. Actually most countries in the world have a mix of public and private insurance; but the old Bolshevik Bernie would never tolerate that.

  56. lisab says:

    don’t forget $500 billion in reparations

  57. lisab says:

    Sanders, Warren Devolve Into Screaming Match After Discovering Insurmountable Divide On Wildlife Management Policy https://trib.al/4bZDyea #DemDebate

  58. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    57. Thanks for reminding me. When your talking in the trillions of dollars, whats another $500 billion. The choice now really is between Trump and the abyss.

  59. lisab says:

    the people who brought you the dmv

    now want to run your healthcare

  60. lisab says:

    “They didn’t have any solutions in English and they didn’t have any solutions in Spanish”- Marco Rubio

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A criticism of 1st debate several weeks ago was the candidates went too far left. At last night’s debate there was the spectacle of Bernie and Warren going full socialist, and several centralist candidates telling them that they were basically nuts.

    Tonight’s debate will feature Biden being attacked by a swarm of far leftist gnats. Harris will pretend to join in the attack, but will hold back enough so her business and tech supporters will be assured she is not serious.

  62. lisab says:

    in serious news

    i think sanders might be done after tonight

  63. lisab says:

    not saying he will drop out

    i’m saying ii don’t think he can win

    warren was better

  64. lisab says:

    i also think harris will let the others take biden down

  65. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Bernie and Warren went out of their way not to attack each other. I think both will stay in, as they each appeal to a slightly different constituency. But agree that should one falter, they may drop out in favor of the other.

    We will see what Harris does. You may be right, and she may allow others to attack Biden. But her polling has dropped and she is going to have to establish a presence tonight.

  66. lisab says:

    i think biden will come loaded for bear in his two barreled shotgun,

    harris being the bear

    and harris would be foolish to attack him first — he will have prepared attacks

    but he won’t be as well prepared for the others

  67. lisab says:

    i am pretty sure i will vote for williamson

  68. lisab says:

    woah …

    this is the initial daily mail headline … they are more liberal than the nytimes
    —————————————–

    Dems eat their own in angry debate and leave Trump unscathed: Moderates savage socialists Bernie and Elizabeth Warren for promising ‘free everything’ and open borders – while Marianne Williamson becomes breakout star for her ‘politics of love’

  69. lisab says:

    Phone messages left for Jeffery Epstein ‘suggested his friend might be procuring two 8-year-old girls for the pedophile to sexually abuse’, court docs filed by victims’ lawyer reveal

  70. Tina says:

    Is Epstein’s Friend, bj?

  71. Tina says:

    Yikes! MSNBC polling guy dumps cold ice all over #DemDebate tonight.

    Decriminalizing border crossings, Medicare For All, healthcare for immigrants…all unpopular with voters.

  72. BItterlaw says:

    The most disturbing part of the story is that guys were so desperate that impregnated these women

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7305195/Three-Wirral-sisters-avoid-prison-homophobic-abuse-Birkenhead-Liverpool-Crown-Court.html

  73. Big Joe says:

    I like the MSNBC statistics guy.

    Big Joe

  74. NYCmike says:

    “The choice now really is between Trump and the abyss.”

    -Is that why “CG” and Robbie have been out trying on parachutes?

  75. lisab says:

    German Swimming Pool Forced To Introduce ID Checks To Stop Harassment By Migrant Youths

    A swimming pool in the German city of Düsseldorf has been forced to introduce mandatory ID card checks in an effort to stop sexual assaults and rowdy behavior by migrant youths that has required the police to be called out on numerous occasions.

    Last Friday, the pool had to be cleared again as around 60 North African migrants began engaging in aggressive beahvior. Outnumbered, the six security guards on patrol had to call police for backup. 20 officers arrived and the pool was closed.

    “It should be known, that before the migrant crisis, German swimming pools didn’t need six security guards to maintain order. It’s likely that they didn’t need any at all,” comments Voice of Europe.

    It remains to be seen how authorities will prevent the kind of people who cause mayhem from using the pool. They could only really do so by barring people from North African countries, which would set off a nationwide controversy and lead to widespread accusations of racism.

  76. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren keeps lying through her teeth about ‘Medicare for all’

    Elizabeth Warren lacks the stones to dominate the left lane of the Democratic presidential primaries. We know this because tonight, at the Detroit debate, she equivocated on whether her “Medicare for all” plan would raise taxes on the middle class. At least Bernie Sanders, the original socialist of the Senate, was willing to admit it.

    The middle class would pay “less out of pocket,” Warren asserted, contradicting every financial evaluation of a plan that would overturn the employer-sponsored, private health insurance plans of 150 million Americans and replace it with a Medicare package featuring benefits far more generous than the public system in its existing form.

    Seeing as “Medicare for all” would cost at least $32.6 trillion — and that’s generously assuming that it could continue to pay an average reimbursement rate 40% lower than that of current private health insurance rates that subsidize public plans — Warren’s insistence that her plan would only raise taxes on billionaires and corporations seems to be an overt lie.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-keeps-lying-through-her-teeth-about-medicare-for-all

  77. lisab says:

    Jeffrey Epstein became an FBI INFORMANT to secure sweetheart deal and shut down federal probe into the pedophile’s abuse of underage girls, government records reveal

  78. Tina says:

    Fib Infiormant?

    Let’s see, who was Fib Director used to shut down pedo ring?

  79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Cenk Uygur: We’re Beginning To Whisper About Sanders/Warren Dream Team To “Obliterate” Donald Trump.”

    And if the corrupt Democratic power brokers deprive them of the nomination. Its time for progressives to unite and run 3rd party!!!

  80. Big Joe says:

    I watched about half of the debate last night. I thought it was a good night for the moderates. Hickenlooper and Bullock did a good job of pressing Warren/Bernie for details of their plans and put them on the defensive.

    Of course it doesn’t matter what I think, it’s what the headlines are tomorrow.

    Big Joe

  81. Paul says:

    So, Weld will get all the California delegates to the RNC convention.

  82. Paul says:

    82: I also thought Bullock did a good job out of the gate. Don’t know if it is too late or not.

  83. lisab says:

    #83 unikely …

  84. Bitterlaw says:

    The knives are out. Biden is holding up well and fighting back.

    Corey Booker is getting too much time.

    Biden slams Harris for doing nothing to try to desegregate LA and SF schools.

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    Gabbard comes out of nowhere to slam Harris for keeping innocent man on death row. Gabbard must be angling for a Cabinet position if Biden wins.

  86. Bitterlaw says:

    Yang – We should pay people to stay out of jail. It would be less expensive.

    Inslee- Feels guilty he is not a woman or minority.

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    Castro – The President is a racist. Education spending. Trump is a racist.

    Gillibrand – White privilege. She can get white suburban women who voted for Trump to vote for her. She can skip my town. There weren’t many of those women.

  88. Hugh says:

    The clown show continues.

  89. Tina says:

    Mental wins Day 1

    Glibbard wins day 2.

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    The Democrats have given up on winning West Virginia. Coal and fossil fuels have to end.

  91. dblaikie says:

    The bill is reporting that the doj ig has referred James Comey for prosecution Also reporting that AG has chosen not to persecute.

  92. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Are you watching?

  93. Tina says:

    Chose not to prosecute but they say their are higher crimes.

    The whole no intent is weak. His intent was clear- get an Sp.

    (I sense some misdirection here).

  94. Tina says:

    Bl, I don’t do freak shows. I don’t want to be a rating to a low rating debate day 1..

    Biden May have kissed off Pa with his coal comment.

  95. Tina says:

    Bl also hope you eye issues are better.

    Those problems are horrible.

  96. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – How can you declare a winner of a debate you are not watching?

    I think PA goes blue in 2020. Suburban women are too outraged by Trump. They will vote against their own economic interests to oust him.

  97. Tina says:

    I get clips, don’t do tv.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    My eye is doing well. Thank you for asking.

    Castro – The economy isn’t that great. Trump is just riding Obama’s economy.

  99. Bitterlaw says:

    Gabbard is opposed to tariffs. She just lost NYC’s vote.

  100. Tina says:

    “Wage growth is up” “Stock market up” “Unemployment near record lows for African Americans” is this still CNN?

  101. Paul says:

    92: Everyone knows Coal is going away quickly. It is inevitable. Declining even as Trump tries to prop it up.

  102. Tina says:

    Kamala is the biggest Logan.

  103. Marv says:

    lisab,

    8?2(2+2)=x

    Solve for x

  104. Marv says:

    lisab,

    The ? was supposed to be the conventional division symbol.

  105. Marv says:

    Math problem above went viral and apparently caused quite a stir in the math community.

  106. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    103. “Everyone knows Coal is going away quickly. It is inevitable. Declining even as Trump tries to prop it up.”

    Wrong. China and India are increasing their use of coal:

    “China has repeatedly pledged to reduce its reliance on coal, a major source of smog and
    climate-warming greenhouse gases, and it has cut coal’s share of its total energy mix to 59 percent, down from 68.5 percent in 2012.
    But satellite images show China “quietly resumed” construction in 2018 on dozens of previously shelved plants, making it a “glaring exception to the global decline,” said a joint report by environmental groups Global Energy Monitor, Greenpeace and the Sierra Club.
    The report warned that China could build an additional 290 GW of capacity, more than the whole of the United States’ coal capacity, and still remain within the 1,300-GW cap for national coal-fired power generation proposed by the China Electricity Council, an influential industry group.”

    Even Germany, the world’s supposed eco-paradise is importing coal — including from the U.S.

    “As of December 2018, Germany doesn’t have any domestic hard coal mining left. Instead, coal is imported from Russia (35%), the United States (18%), Australia (13%) and Columbia (11%), followed by Poland, Canada and South Africa,”

    Germany is also completing a natural gas pipeline from Russia to get more natural gas. This is happening despite Germany having spent about $220 billion on renewable energy subsidies since the year 2000. The cost of electricity in Germany is three times that of the U.S. I am so looking forward to the Green New Deal.

  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    103. By the way Paul, about 40% of German electricity is provided by coal. If 18% of it is provide by U.S. coal, that means about 7-8% of German electricity is provided by U.S. coal miners. That percentage goes up at night and when there is no wind to blow German wind turbines
    So U.S. coal miners help keep the lights on in Germany — Paul, isn’t that a nice thing for coal miners in states like Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Wyoming to do?

  108. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    109. A correction. What is know as “hard coal” mining has been phased out in Germany. What is know as brown” coal (lignite) is still mined and used. Despite no more hard coal production, a new hard coal power plant will open in 2020, which will utilized imported coal:

    “The possibly last new hard coal unit ever built in Germany may come online in 2020: Uniper’s Datteln 4, with a capacity of 1,055 MW, after years of legal struggle with local environmental organisations.”

  109. lisab says:

    8/2(2+2)=x

    Solve for x
    —————————-

    x=16 or x=1 depending on whether you meant the (2+2) to be in the denominator or not

    that is:

    8/1 * 1/[2*(2+2)] = 8 * 1/8 = 1

    vs.

    8/1 * 1/2 * (2+2)/1 = 4*4=16

    so really the problem is one of notation. the original problem as you wrote it is written ambiguously and should be written explicitly.

    without clarification i would view it as

    8/1 * 1/2 * (2+2)/1 = 4*4=16

    because we were always taught to rap student knuckles if they did not explicitly indicate whether an item was in the denominator or not.

  110. lisab says:

    that is …

    in the expression 8/2(2+2)=x

    nothing indicates that (2+2) is part of the denominator

    so we should assume it is (2+2)/1 not 1/(2+2)

  111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Regarding the debate, believe Biden did very well. He showed age, but his mental acuity was there. He even got some digs in against Harris and Booker.

    Harris was awful. She really has no charisma. Believe she may fall to single digits in the polls. Booker did well, as did several minor candidates.

    Believe Biden will keep his lead in the polls, and may actually increase his lead. It appears it will come down to a battle between Biden and the two Bolsheviks. Since Tina likes nicknames, will refer to them as “Boris and Natasha.”

  112. lisab says:

    GABBARD 42.69% (18,109 votes)
    YANG 23.68% (10,044 votes)
    BIDEN 13.27% (5,628 votes)
    DE BLASIO 4.49% (1,904 votes)
    BENNET 3.25% (1,378 votes)
    INSLEE 3.04% (1,288 votes)
    BOOKER 3.03% (1,284 votes)
    HARRIS 2.8% (1,188 votes)
    GILLIBRAND 2.61% (1,106 votes)
    CASTRO 1.14% (491 votes)

  113. lisab says:

    Joe Biden Gave Out A Bizarre Website At The Debate And People Were Very Confused
    “is he running for president of space?”

  114. VictrC says:

    So Ive seen talk on some of the left leaning sites that Biden is positioning himself to bring Michelle Obama on as his VP if nominated in order to bring the Obama coalition of voters back in the fold in WI, MI, Ohio, PA, etc.

    The idea is that she would be a stronger draw than any of the Bolsheviks or Harris…and considering his age and fragil health it would ensure Michelle becomes President without having to go through the process.

    Thoughts?

  115. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    116. I cannot see it. There is no guarantee that Biden will get the nomination. He already has had one bad debate, and could have more. Not sure his stamina will hold out throughout the long campaign — then he has to face Trump.

    It would make more sense for Michelle Obama to run on her own. Think she would have a better chance of becoming president.

  116. lisab says:

    It would make more sense for Michelle Obama to run on her own.
    ————————-

    i doubt michelle … i am thinking that the dems want to run a woman this time

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @NateSilver538
    “Harris was bad more than Biden was good, but Harris being bad is good for Biden.”

  118. Tina says:

    Biden faded midway through. Better start.

    Pretty clear he kept making misstatements at the end.

    8 more years for trump.

    Could not give out some #.

    Often failed to finish a complete thought.

  119. Tina says:

    Scarfarce attacks Drats for attacking obumbler policies. I guess about the cages, foil wrapping, family separation, and deportations regarding illegals.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/455658-scarborough-blasts-2020-democrats-for-attacking-obamas-positions-more-than

  120. Tina says:

    From the above Hill article:

    MIXED

    Former Vice President Joe Biden

    Biden could not afford another misstep after his faltering performance in Miami, where he was the clear loser in clashes with Harris.

    He was far better in Detroit. He rebuffed challenges from lower-tier candidates like Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) with relative ease. He also showed, for the most part, much more fire in his belly — an important mark for a candidate whose age, 76, is a concern.

    But, for all that, it was far from a home run for Biden. There were still times when he seemed to wilt in the face of the sustained attacks on him and his record.

    He also struggled or dodged on some issues, including whether he supported President Obama’s actions on deportations.

    Right at the start of the debate, Biden was also heard telling Harris, “Take it easy on me, kid” — a suboptimal choice of words, even if delivered in characteristically affable style.

    Biden steadied some nerves in Detroit, but he didn’t come close to answering all the questions that still hang over his candidacy.

  121. Tina says:

    The winners of Day 1 and 2.

    Gabbard for taking out Obama 2.0.

    Patrick Nonwhite
    @NonWhiteHat
    ·
    8h
    Tulsi Gabbard is a veteran of the Iraq War. Marianne Williamson is a veteran of the Psychic Wars. They’d make a great ticket.

  122. Hugh says:

    Bitter. If you are right that suburban women will vote against their own interests because they hate trump so much then trump will lose in a landslide. I tend to not agree with you but if your right the result is easy to predict.

  123. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes:
    Your thoughts on this NC CD-9 Special Election status change by Toupee Sabato?

    “Crystal Ball House Ratings Change: The NC-9 do-over election moves from Toss-up to Leans Republican.”
    http://crystalball.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/notes-on-the-state-of-politics-2/

  124. Robbie says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    …during the talks the U.S. will start, on September 1st, putting a small additional Tariff of 10% on the remaining 300 Billion Dollars of goods and products coming from China into our Country. This does not include the 250 Billion Dollars already Tariffed at 25%…

    – No doubt NYCmoron, mnw, and the rest of the Trump sycophants will claim these asinine tariffs are actually patriotic tariffs because their lord and savior Trump is the one implementing them.

    The man is an economic idiot.

  125. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    Pogo Loco is back online!

  126. NYCmike says:

    “The man is an economic idiot.”

    -Something tells me that Robbie followed Krugman’s advice after Trump won election “‘If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never. Under any circumstances, putting an irresponsible, ignorant man who takes his advice from all the wrong people in charge of the nation with the world’s most important economy would be very bad news.”

    I know my 401K is doing ok………Robbie, how is yours doing?

  127. Phil says:

    Economic idiot

    …..as evidenced by the mess he’s made of the economy.

    Pretty sure I know what an economic idiot looks like. There were 20 of them on display in prime time the last two nights.

  128. NYCmike says:

    “. There were 20 of them on display in prime time the last two nights.”

    -Robbie will be rooting for one of them next November.

  129. Phil says:

    No doubt

  130. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    China is hurting economically, and the regime is being challenged by riots in Hong Kong.

    “Hong Kong (CNN Business)China’s economic growth has slumped to its lowest level in nearly three decades as the world’s second largest economy feels the effects of a prolonged trade warwith the United States.
    The country’s gross domestic product grew at 6.2% in the quarter ended June, the slowest quarterly growth rate since 1992 and down from 6.4% in the previous quarter, according to government figures released on Monday.
    And the Chinese economy will continue to face “downward pressure” in the second half of this year, the country’s National Bureau of Statistics said in a statement.
    “The Chinese economy is still in a complex and grave situation,” it said. “Global growth has slowed and external uncertainties are on the rise.””

  131. Robbie says:

    Eliana Johnson
    @elianayjohnson

    “One lobbyist…described being stunned at a recent White House meeting when Domestic Policy Council Director Joe Grogan said the administration would not let Democrats run to the president’s left on lowering prescription medicine prices.”

    https://t.co/Fnqlk0ROXA

    – I assume NYCmoron, mnw, and the rest of the Trump sycophants will excuse this as patriotic liberalism since it’s done by Trump.

  132. Hugh says:

    Sdc. China says 6.2 yet it is estimated they have lost millions of manufacturing jobs. They r lying through their teeth.

  133. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 1, 2019 at 1:55 pm
    Economic idiot
    …..as evidenced by the mess he’s made of the economy.
    Pretty sure I know what an economic idiot looks like. There were 20 of them on display in prime time the last two nights.

    – For decades, Republicans and conservatives have been for free trade. Tariffs, especially, are the very opposite of free trade. They are populist and protectionist garbage and they were rightfully rejected after the disastrous use of them by Hoover in the late 1920’s and early 1930’s. Of course, I’m assuming most here have any sense of history.

    Anyone who believes tariffs are useful or acceptable is an economic idiot. That’s my view. Just because the economy is doing well doesn’t mean that tariffs are ok or that Trump is some sort of economic savant any more than claiming Obama was an economic genius since the economy did relatively well in his second term. One does not lead to the other.

    Of course, the mistake I continually make when reading comments in this forum is assuming all of the conservative things commenters here espoused before Trump were actually strongly held beliefs and not just taking the side opposite of the politician they didn’t like.

  134. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    “. There were 20 of them on display in prime time the last two nights.”
    -Robbie will be rooting for one of them next November.

    – Nope. As I’ve written repeatedly here and as I have repeatedly told you, I am not voting for anyone in 2020. Why would I vote for a supposed Republican who holds economic and moral views completely counter to what I believe and have always believed.

    That’s what Tea Party frauds like you do.

  135. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 1, 2019 at 2:09 pm
    No doubt

    – This so sad. Poor Phil’s modus operandi in the Trump era has been to suggest that anyone who opposes Trump’s policy positions on the grounds they go against long held conservative economic views or conservative moral views is somehow a Democrat.

    Trumpism has not been good for you, Phil. I look forward to seeing the sane, politically sharp version of you return when this scummy Trump era is over.

  136. Robbie says:

    Trump could mandate that all grade school children watch porn in the classroom and many of you would find a way to support it. After all, most of you would say something like “If Stormy’s good enough for Trump, should she be good enough for me or young children?”.

  137. Robbie says:

    How many new miles of Trump’s border wall have been built since January 20, 2021?

  138. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    As evidenced by the debates the last 2 nights, there is a YUGE difference between Trump and ANY of the Democratic candidates when it comes to policies they would push.

    Also, in regards to prescription med prices, the President is not a dictator. I am sure that a Republican Senate can bury any legislation that will come thru that chamber…….

  139. Robbie says:

    Soon to be read on HHR by the Trump sycophants who claim to be conservative. “Trump is right that government needs to take over social media companies. They have not been fair to the dear leader and we need to make sure their platforms conform to our thinking.

    Hops in time machine to how this forum would react to Obama offering the same view. “Obama is a communist! He hates this country and everything it stands for. He wants to control what we think and what is acceptable for us to hear. How can the American people not see this? He needs to be impeached”

  140. NYCmike says:

    “How many new miles of Trump’s border wall have been built since January 20, 2021?”

    -Robbie, I don’t think Marty McFly is coming by HHR anymore.

  141. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:05 pm
    Robbie,
    As evidenced by the debates the last 2 nights, there is a YUGE difference between Trump and ANY of the Democratic candidates when it comes to policies they would push.
    Also, in regards to prescription med prices, the President is not a dictator. I am sure that a Republican Senate can bury any legislation that will come thru that chamber…….

    – Shorter NYCmoron: “I’ll take baby step socialism, populism, protectionism, and economic idiocy because it’s offered by Trump. But if it were offered by any other Republican or Antifa loving Democrats, I would be enraged and demand that Ted Cruz stand up and stop this just as he did in October 2013 when he shut down the government to stop Obamacare.”

  142. Robbie says:

    Have Kim Jong Un and Trump traded any love letters lately? We at HHR like North Korea now that Trump likes them, right?

  143. NYCmike says:

    “Trump could mandate that all grade school children watch porn in the classroom and many of you would find a way to support it.”

    -Soft porn? Hard Core? Kink? BDSM? Or your favorite, NAMBLA?

    It all depends……..**

    **YES, I am joking, except about that last part about Robbie’s favorite…….

  144. NYCmike says:

    “How many new miles of Trump’s border wall have been built since January 20, 2021?”

    -Let’s see……Robbie is very upset today……..he is asking questions about 01/20/2021……maybe he invented a time machine and saw that a Democrat is not being inaugurated on that date……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJGOYJo9mM

  145. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:15 pm
    “Trump could mandate that all grade school children watch porn in the classroom and many of you would find a way to support it.”
    -Soft porn? Hard Core? Kink? BDSM? Or your favorite, NAMBLA?
    It all depends……..**
    **YES, I am joking, except about that last part about Robbie’s favorite…….

    – Had Jeb, Rubio, Mitt, or any other Republican used tariffs, an anti-conservative economic tool, you and the rest of the Trump worshippers would be screaming your heads off that they’re a bunch of liberals in disguise. But because Dear Leader Trump likes them, you’re cool with them and claim they’re actually patriotic.

    So why wouldn’t it follow that you’d get in line with some/any outlandish Trump proposal? If I had told you three years ago you would support tariffs, you would have scoffed and claimed no Republican would ever support tariffs. But here we are.

  146. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    141. meme wars: mueller strikes back

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpLN9QJrhU

    That is a great video lisab. It is amazing how Mueller has now become almost a non-entity. Little mention was made of him in the Democratic debates.

    Now it is just a battle between the Bolsheviks and non-Bolsheviks.

  147. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:07 pm
    “How many new miles of Trump’s border wall have been built since January 20, 2021?”
    -Robbie, I don’t think Marty McFly is coming by HHR anymore.

    – Typo. How many miles of new wall have been built since January 20, 2017?

    I’m sure Tinfoil Tina will make up so number out of whole cloth or provide some laughable story from Jim Hoft to claim hundreds have been built.

  148. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Are you claiming no new wall has been built?

  149. Robbie says:

    Mediaite
    @Mediaite

    FBI Now Views QAnon, Pizzagate Conspiracy Theorists as New ‘Domestic Extremism’ Threats

    – Oh man. This has to be soul crushing for Tinfoil. Qanon and Pizzagate are her people.

  150. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:25 pm
    Robbie,
    Are you claiming no new wall has been built?

    – I’m mocking the entire thing because the wall has been a con since day 1. Or have you forgotten that Mexico was going to pay for the wall? How much have they offered to pay for it, by the way?

    The wall was nothing but clickbait geared to entice the low information listeners of talk radio and the low information viewers of Foxnews who continually believe nefarious forces are working against whites.

    There will never be a 20 foot high wall from seas to shining seas, but a lot of you fell for it.

  151. NYCmike says:

    I will stand aside and wait to see what happens with tariffs if:

    1) The economy continues to grow, helped along by favorable tax policies and getting rid of burdensome federal regulations, 2 THINGS WHICH DEMOCRATS WOULD NOT HAVE DONE.

    2) It helps Trump win the Electoral Votes needed to retain the Presidency.

    If you can show that tariffs will immediately endanger our economic system and lose Republicans the Presidency, I will be more vocal against their use as an economic weapon against a totalitarian regime. Until that time, I’ll stay silent and allow Trump and his cabinet to use all of the weapons at their disposal, because I realize that the Democrats will be much worse for the future of our country.

  152. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    You aren’t claiming no new wall has been built.

    But you are claiming that it was a con job, even though new wall may have been built.

    Got it.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    John F. Harris in Politico had a good summary of last night’s debate:

    “Yes: Joe Biden, for the most part, was crisper, more engaged and engaging in Detroit on Wednesday night than he had been in Miami a month ago.
    No: He did not summon a performance so commanding as to demand people view an old man in new light.
    If Biden is the essential variable in the Democratic presidential race — none of the two dozen other candidates can rise much further unless or until Biden is perceived to be in a dying fall — then the most reasonable reaction to the latest two-day, long and crowded debate is: So what?
    That is not so much a dismissive comment as an authentic question. Biden’s two debate outings this summer suggest that a politician who has been at this game for decades operates within a predictable and fairly narrow range — at his best, not half-bad; at his worst, pretty bad for a supposed front-runner.”

  154. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:38 pm
    Robbie,
    You aren’t claiming no new wall has been built.
    But you are claiming that it was a con job, even though new wall may have been built.
    Got it.

    – Building wall already approved to be built during the Obama era hardly counts as Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” that’s going to keep muh Meicans out, but that’s a quibble.

    Regardless, the entire concept of a 20 foot high border wall was nothing more than a con created by Roger Stone to arouse low information talk radio listeners and FoxNews viewers who go through life believing there’s a bias against whites.

    Like many, you fell for it because you’re a low information conservative. How do I know that? Because you fell for the Tea Party garbage. That’s why you supported so many idiot Senate candidate who cost the party Senate seats (COD, Angle, Mourdock, etc.). You actually believed that Cruz was being sincere. You actually believed Paul was being sincere. They conned you.

    And now that Trump has come along and exposed the Tea Party as a fraud, you don’t care. You’ve just decided to hop on the Trump populism train and believe that he’s offering you what you need to hear. Welp, he’s conning you just like the Tea Party frauds were.

  155. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:40 pm
    John F. Harris in Politico had a good summary of last night’s debate:
    “Yes: Joe Biden, for the most part, was crisper, more engaged and engaging in Detroit on Wednesday night than he had been in Miami a month ago.
    No: He did not summon a performance so commanding as to demand people view an old man in new light.
    If Biden is the essential variable in the Democratic presidential race — none of the two dozen other candidates can rise much further unless or until Biden is perceived to be in a dying fall — then the most reasonable reaction to the latest two-day, long and crowded debate is: So what?
    That is not so much a dismissive comment as an authentic question. Biden’s two debate outings this summer suggest that a politician who has been at this game for decades operates within a predictable and fairly narrow range — at his best, not half-bad; at his worst, pretty bad for a supposed front-runner.”

    – Trump was an embarrassment is very debate in which he participated and every analyst like John Harris said the debates would hurt him. Well, how’d that work out?

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Meanwhile large crowds are already lining up in Cincinnati for tonight’s Trump rally. The venue holds 17,000, and is expected to fill up. Assume Trump will have some comments on “Sleepy Joe’s” performance last night — including the unusual website comment.

    The Democrats have been waiting almost four years to get Trump out of office — and what does their campaign consist of — a frontrunner who appears confused and often incoherent, whose main challengers are two Bolsheviks. And as far as impeachment, they have a special prosecutor whose disjointed testimony made many wonder who actually wrote his report. When do the keystone cops make their appearance?

  157. Robbie says:

    CNBC
    @CNBC

    North Korea fired two short-range ballistic missiles into the sea, again: NBC

    – Just shooting love letters through the air.

  158. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 1, 2019 at 3:54 pm
    Meanwhile large crowds are already lining up in Cincinnati for tonight’s Trump rally. The venue holds 17,000, and is expected to fill up. Assume Trump will have some comments on “Sleepy Joe’s” performance last night — including the unusual website comment.
    The Democrats have been waiting almost four years to get Trump out of office — and what does their campaign consist of — a frontrunner who appears confused and often incoherent, whose main challengers are two Bolsheviks. And as far as impeachment, they have a special prosecutor whose disjointed testimony made many wonder who actually wrote his report. When do the keystone cops make their appearance?

    – The “confused and incoherent” frontrunner is cleaning Trump’s clock in national polls right now. Why? Because people don’t like Trump personally. And in presidential elections, people vote on personality, not policy. I would have thought 2008 would have made that clear to everyone here, but I guess not.

    Republicans did everything they could to portray Obama as the spawn of Lenin in 2008, but it didn’t work because people liked Obama personally more than they liked McCain or Romney. That’s why the poll question about who someone would rather drink a beer with is such a good predictor of who’s likely to win.

  159. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/graham-immigration-bill-disrupts-senate-151424062.html

    -Graham is a changed man….hope it lasts thru his next election.

  160. NYCmike says:

    “– Trump was an embarrassment is very debate in which he participated….”

    -Is that the key to getting elected?

    JEB!2016 should have won in a landslide!

  161. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, when was the last time you went to confession?

    GOD may not let you into heaven if you were to die with such hostility in your heart.

    SEEK H E L P ! !

  162. NYCmike says:

    Correction:

    “– The “confused and incoherent” frontrunner is cleaning **PRESIDENT** Trump’s clock in national polls right now.”

  163. NYCmike says:

    Why doesn’t Trump need glasses?

  164. NYCmike says:

    Because he has 2020 vision!

  165. NYCmike says:

    Just saw a thing about boycotting Gillette……in the comments, someone said “WTF is wrong with you… it’s not boycott, it’s “personcott””…..

    BUT, someone else pointed out “Isn’t that sexist too? “perSON”?”.

    And Robbie thinks Trump is as bad as candidates from the political party which supports such cr*p like 57 pronouns and such

  166. Phil says:

    Congressman Cummings’ Baltimore home vandalized.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Obviously done by one of the many white racists in the paradise that is Baltimore.

  167. Phil says:

    DW, just another hard working migrant who came to Germany to do jobs Germans wouldn’t do.

  168. Tina says:

    The jebots keep losing in court.

    CNN
    @CNN
    ·
    1h
    A federal judge issued an order blocking New York state from turning over President Trump’s tax returns to congressional Democrats for now, should the House Ways and Means Committee request them through a newly passed New York law

  169. Tina says:

    The Senate has left town.

    Trump can now do recess appointments.

    Ratcliffe should be on deck.

    Make the jebots cry.

  170. John says:

    Dang. The second debate lost close to 4.6 million viewers from the first debate (15.3 million to 10.7 million)
    Dang. This is not going very well for the Dims.

    https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/cnn-second-democratic-debate-ratings-1203288069/

  171. Wes says:

    It’s not that simple, Tina. If the House returns to session then the Senate has to do a pro forma session. Boehner used this tactic from 2011 to 2014. Under the 2014 Supreme Court ruling, the Senate recesses have to last four days or more to ensure the President can’t make a recess appointment. If Pelosi has the House return to work within three days, then the Senate also returns to session at that time, even if only pro forma.

  172. Tina says:

    Did anybody notice joe Biden’s crowd outside the 2nd debate?

    Zero.

  173. Wes says:

    Personally I think Trump should just turn over his tax returns and be done with this. The Presidents before him did it.

    That said, I think the Dems are loony with this obsession and would find nothing if Trump did release his returns.

  174. Tina says:

    Withdrawal announced from Afghanistan,

    It is over at last.

    Now, Iraq will be next.

  175. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Leftist tech/Hollywood hypocrisy at its best.

    “A host of A-list celebrities faced an angry backlash today after they traveled to a climate change conference in Italy in a fleet of supercars, expensive yachts, and more than 100 private jets.
    Guests at the secretive Google Camp were accused of hypocrisy after they gathered this week to discuss the environment while leaving a considerable carbon footprint of their own.
    Prince Harry is understood to have given a passionate barefoot speech about saving the planet, although Buckingham Palace has refused to confirm his attendance or whether he too traveled by private jet.
    * * *
    Some 114 fuel-guzzling planes were scheduled to land in Palermo for the elite gathering, according to Italian media, while others brought their super-yachts to a three-day conference whose guests include Katy Perry and Harry Styles.
    BBC presenter Andrew Neil was among those to point out the irony, saying: ‘Scores of celebrities and the rich have arrived in Sicily for a Google conference. They came in 114 private jets and a flotilla of superyachts. The conference is on global warming.’”

  176. Tina says:

    Biden said we do not want trump for 8 more years.

    Very interesting math.

  177. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    178. Did anybody notice joe Biden’s crowd outside the 2nd debate? Zero.

    It was another Biden blooper; he told everyone the event would be at another location.

  178. Tina says:

    Biden went from the man that destroyed Paulo Ryan in the 2012 debate to a shell.

    Nothing was coherent after 20 minutes.

    He basically fell apart after Fartucus nailed him on destroying communities.

  179. Tina says:

    Russian hoaxing 2.0

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    3h
    Kamala Harris Campaign Blames Russia for Humiliation by Tulsi Gabbard

  180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Actually, I felt Biden did a fairly good job in the second debate. He showed some signs of age, but held up pretty well — and hit back at several of the other candidates when they attacked him.

    If Biden does become president, the 2nd debate will be looked back as an important come-back from his disastrous 1st debate.

  181. RB says:

    Carol Swain in Memphis..what % does she get?

  182. lisab says:

    I felt Biden did a fairly good job in the second debate.
    ——————-

    i don’t …

    he did ok, but nothing more. had he been yang or any of the other marginal candidates he would not be cracking 5% right now.

    the next debate will be crucial for him. half the candidates will be gone, so the others will be gunning for him.

  183. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    188. The third debate likely will be Biden vs the Bolsheviks; and it may end any pretense of Democratic unity.

  184. RB says:

    1/161 in

    Swain 22%

  185. RB says:

    16/161 in Swain 20%…3rd place

  186. lisab says:

    The Dark Lord of The Cis
    @Malcolm_fleX48

    “If you’ve ever wondered why Covert ops and stealth units wear all black during missions, a new study finds that it might be because of the Racist notion that blacks are sneakier.”

    -CNN

  187. Bitterlaw says:

    I know many at HHR don’t understand or believe that suburban women near me would pay more in taxes and accept illegals in order to elect a Dem over Trump. However, what personal negative effect would they have accepted to see Obama lose in 2012? I would have paid money to see Obama Lise.

    Jason to say it is a stupid hypothetical in 3…2…1…

  188. RB says:

    For every suburban woman lost in Delaware and Montgomery there is a person in Erie..Westmoreland..Monroe etc…matching the offset…but yes we are tortured to Andea Mitchell discussing her Philly Suburban coffee clatches for 2 years when the reason Trump won PA is in the NorthEast and the West..not to mention Northampton

  189. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    World’s first human-monkey hybrid grown in lab…

  190. Bitterlaw says:

    RB – I know Republican women who did not vote for President in 2016 because they hated Hillary and Trump. Most will now vote for a Dem in 2020 because they find Trump so personally repulsive.

  191. NYCmike says:

    “because they find Trump so personally repulsive.”

    -If they are that concerned with his personal behavior on Twitter they would probably be appalled with what their daughters are doing on Instagram without them knowing.

    Maybe.

  192. RB says:

    Bitter/–True in Radnor..but Trump is stockpiling new votes in the Poconos and Western PA where he may have had skepticism in 2016…it evens out

  193. Bitterlaw says:

    I thought Trump already got those voters in 2016. We’ll see.

  194. RB says:

    Trump lost Monroe in 2016 along with Lackawana…both by razor margains…losses in the suburbs could be made up here

    Real question and battleground is the LHV

    Northampton and Lehigh…Trumo narrowly won Northampton and Clinton narrowly won Lehigh

  195. Hugh says:

    And I know 0 trump voters who will now not vote for him. Let’s face it he was a pompous as s in 16 and well known for it and is still one today. But I know three people who voted for Hillary or that independent whose name I have forgotten who are voting for trump this time. I would be shocked if any meaningful number of trump voters from 16 in the end vote for one of the crazies the dems are running when push comes to shove. It’s binary choice the as s clown who has given us a great economy or a nutbag who is a socialist. We will see if those suburban women cancel out their husbands vote.

  196. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 1, 2019 at 9:56 pm
    “because they find Trump so personally repulsive.”
    -If they are that concerned with his personal behavior on Twitter they would probably be appalled with what their daughters are doing on Instagram without them knowing.
    Maybe.

    – NYCmoron just can’t stand to read anything negative about his Trumpian god so he plays the “whataboutism” card to deflect.

  197. Tina says:

    I am debating my neighbor.

    Who looked more alive, Gaffe or F. Mulehead?

    Also, what the heck is Durham investigating?

  198. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I did not say Trump voters were going to flip. I know Republican non-voters in 2016 who will vote Dem in 2020 just to get rid of Trump.

  199. RB says:

    Robbie—Is Mitch really in trouble? Just curious…my Spidy scences say we’ve been down this road before and KY will ultimately easily support DJT and Mitch will breeze in despite the money she is getting..

  200. Robbie says:

    Hugh says:
    August 1, 2019 at 10:09 pm
    And I know 0 trump voters who will now not vote for him. Let’s face it he was a pompous as s in 16 and well known for it and is still one today. But I know three people who voted for Hillary or that independent whose name I have forgotten who are voting for trump this time.

    – Ah yes. The anecdotal story. Those work about as well as seeing which candidate has more yard signs.

    If Trump were running against Clinton again, maybe his scummy personality wouldn’t matter. But he’s not running against her so his scummy personality will matter.

    It looks like this forum is repeating the same mistakes it made in 2017. Ignore the flashing red lights and just pretend that magic pixie dust spread by Sean Hannity will save the day.

  201. Robbie says:

    RB says:
    August 1, 2019 at 10:17 pm
    Robbie—Is Mitch really in trouble? Just curious…my Spidy scences say we’ve been down this road before and KY will ultimately easily support DJT and Mitch will breeze in despite the money she is getting..

    – No. He’s not in trouble. Especially, not in a presidential year.

  202. lisab says:

    CNN

    Have you ever noticed the popularity of white robots? The reason for these shades of technological white may be racism, according to new research. https://cnn.it/2Kar2Df

  203. Tina says:

    Poor coup plotter, it would be nice if he is perp walked.

    orne Retweeted

    Mark Meadows
    @RepMarkMeadows
    ·
    1h
    As the IG report on Comey approaches, we’re getting the sound of silence. No Comey tweets. No softball interviews.

    Must be tougher when you get questioned by a DOJ Inspector General.

    The truth is coming. His actions will come to light. And the verdict won’t be pretty.

  204. lisab says:

    Senate Cloakroom
    ?
    Verified account

    @SenateCloakroom
    Follow Follow @SenateCloakroom
    More
    .@senatemajldr has confirmed 66 nominations today by voice vote.

  205. Tina says:

    Lol, that was a nasty debate that the commies had. Lousy ratings, huge drop.

    Josh Dawsey
    @jdawsey1
    ·
    2h
    “The Democrats spent more time attacking Barack Obama than they did attacking me,” Trump says to the crowd, assessing the debates.

  206. Robbie says:

    The polls in 2019 are flashing red for Republicans in 2020 just as they were in 2017 about 2018. Many here simply refused to acknowledge that fact then and it appears many of you are doing it again now.

    With an approval rating stuck at 43% or 44% consistently, Trump is on pace to lose and lose badly. Presidential re-elections are a referendum on the incumbent and the public has consistently rendered the same verdict on Trump. They don’t approve of him personally.

    Right now, I think Trump’s on pace to lose by a margin in the neighborhood of what Romney lost by in 2012. Could be a little more. Could be a little less. More importantly though, it means Republican chances of regaining the House are zilch and Republican chances of losing control of the Senate are probably better than 50-50.

    Trump is electoral hemlock. Had he faced anyone other than Clinton in 2016, he’d have lost by a wide margin and Democrats would’ve won control of both the House and Senate. Trump won’t have Clinton run against this time despite how much FoxNews and his fans want to chant “lock her up”.

    I suppose the good news is a sizable loss in 2020 (the presidency, the House, and the Senate) should go a long way towards discrediting the brand of moronic populism that Trump spouts. Hopefully, the party will be able to use 2021 to regroup and get back to the party it was in 2014. With a Democrat president and Congress, 2022 should be a great year for Republicans assuming they rid themselves of Trump and Trumpism.

  207. Robbie says:

    I guess 7 PM west coast time is when the sanatorium lets Tinfoil out of her padded room and gives her a chance to use the internet.

  208. Tina says:

    The Russian hoaxer is back.

  209. RB says:

    Candidates matter…if Biden is nominated i could see him pulling together an electoral college win..but his debates are not encouraging

    Liz or the others advocating giving free healthcare to illeagals while our Veterans have trouble getting care or reparations from 150 years ago …good luck with that…Trump Wins with folks taking those positions

  210. michael corleone says:

    Bitter I think we need to look at PA a little more dynamically. For every suburban woman that turns against trump there are other never trumpers they have come back into the fold (think Ben Shapiro and Erik Erickson types) and also indies who are going to vote pocket book. Trump managed to pull off the statewide win in 16 while getting beat pretty badly in the philly collar counties so imbue weakness there is nothing new. The one exception is Bucks, which is more blue collar and is moving rightward like nearby southern Jersey counties. Also issues will matter in this campaign and the Ds are proposing kicking 180 million people off their health insurance plans. This is political hemlock, but unlike a twitter account, the can’t go silent.

  211. lisab says:

    Boys can have periods too, children to be taught in latest victory for transgender campaigners

    School children will be taught that “all genders” can have periods in new sex education lessons, in a victory for transgender rights campaigners.

    The advice to teachers was approved by Brighton & Hove City Council as they try to tackle stigma around menstruation.

    The new advice follows a council report which said: “Trans boys and men and non-binary people may have periods”, adding that “menstruation must be inclusive of all genders”.

    Bins used for menstruation products will be provided in all toilets for children, according to the report.

  212. RB says:

    Great point about South Jersey…Glouster flipped in 2016 to red while Somerset flipped Blue in 2018…votes lost in one region are gained in another…Bucks will be a Donnybrook in 2020 though

  213. lisab says:

    For every suburban woman that turns against trump there are other never trumpers they have come back into the fold (think Ben Shapiro and Erik Erickson types) and also indies who are going to vote pocket book.
    ———————————

    also …

    remember the reason the media pumped up the pro-hillary polls and saying things like hillary had a 99% of winning

    was to keep trump voters from voting. plus the people who want to vote for the winning candidate just so they can say they did will not be so certain to vote for the dems this time

    this time, no potential trump voter will stay home

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/formmb?lang=en

    Robbie – Maybe you and MD can hang out on Twitter. This is his feed.

  215. Bitterlaw says:

    Michael Corleone returns. Hope all is well, MC.

  216. VictrC says:

    Bitter…MD is a friend of mine on facebook but I had never seen his twitter feed. Interesting!

  217. michael corleone says:

    All is well, Bitter. All is well. Hope the same for you.

  218. lisab says:

    MD is a friend of mine on facebook but I had never seen his twitter feed. Interesting!
    ————————-

    trump will lose by 8 to 11%!!!!!!!

  219. Victrc says:

    Lol Lisa. I didn’t really know that he had gone that far off the reservation, which leads me to…

    Anyone who thinks Trump will lose by those kind of numbers (not naming anyone here) has literally lost their mind. In today’s highly partisan environment either an R or a D is going to get 45%. Its the middle 10% that they are fighting for.

    As it stands, if it is not Biden, Trump wins. If its Biden its 50/50

    Trumps fiercest opponent is…Trump

  220. VictrC says:

    Oh and…

    Tariffs are stupid. They never work and we would have 3%+ growth without them.

    Trump is doing a good job, Twitter rants aside.

    Both can be true.

  221. lisab says:

    MD says:
    That is fairly close to how I see it in the end. I think Trump will be around +5 or 6 with White, -45 to -48 with Hispanics and -90 with AA’s.

  222. lisab says:

    MD says:

    Now Nick and Frank, pay attention. I am about to teach you something.

    Suffolk

    Clinton +26 with Moderates. That is the election, right there.

  223. lisab says:

    Corey says:

    How the heck is she not beating him by more?

    I know she is horrible and all but it’s Donald Trump, and so many people voted for Obama.

    I still say (hillary wina by) 12-15, but there must be a lot of poorly educated in the country this year.

  224. lisab says:

    MD says:

    Trump losses JeffP. Face it. He is the worst candidate in history. Anyone else not named Rand Paul would be beating her. Not Trump.

    Mathematically impossible. Deal with it.

  225. Tim says:

    Hello, guys. I see that some of the old gang is holding down the fort.

  226. Bitterlaw says:

    Tim! Do you have a preference for one of the Democrats running for President? As an old-time Dem, what do you think of the party’s direction?

  227. NYCmike says:

    “As an old-time Dem, what do you think of the party’s direction?”

    -CORRECTION:

    “As an old-time Dem, **HOW** do you **FEEL ABOUT** the party’s direction?

  228. Tina says:

    Here is a picture of the over flow crowd at last nights Trump Rally. I think they said 17000 in attendance in the arena.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1157160872524963841

  229. NYCmike says:

    Where did Robbie go?

    Does he see what is going on in Hong Kong?

    Or is he like those moms in the suburbs of Philadelphia, who are so fragile they can’t handle a politician who doesn’t kiss their babies while spouting everything they want to hear?

    Snowflake.

  230. NYCmike says:

    https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2019/07/31/caldara-csu-victim-junkies-know-political-power-of-changing-language/

    -Robbie would rather have the political party take over which would take seriously the people who are trying to change the language

  231. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    237. The arena holds 17,000, and it was full. There were also thousands outside who could not get in. Likely over at least 25,000 in total.

    Trump still has the loyalty of his base, which is important.

  232. Brandon says:

    Losing Hurd sucks. Was one of the good ones.

  233. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/grammy-award-winner-kaya-jones-defends-trump-he-has-every-right-to-call-out-cummings/

    -Unlike suburban PA women, and Robbie, there are people out there concerned about the conditions that some inner city, mostly minority, residents have to deal with.

    I am not saying Robbie or those women are bigots or racist or anything like that.

  234. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Morning Consult post 2nd debate poll is now online.

    Biden 32% (+1)
    Sanders 18% (-)
    Warren 15% (+2)
    Harris 10% (-3)
    Buttigieg 6% (-)
    Booker 3% (-)
    O’Rourke 3% (-)
    Yang 2% (-)

    At this point, the candidates qualified for the September debate are Biden, Booker, Buttigieg, Harris, Klobuchar, O’Rourke, Sanders, Warren.

  235. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Biden vote and the Bolsheviks vote each amount to about 1/3 of the vote.

  236. NYCmike says:

    #243 – gotta get Williamson in there. She is the best one.

  237. janz says:

    An estimate for outside the arena was 10,000 people.

  238. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    On the economic front, compare the U.S. and China:

    “Payroll growth rebounded sharply in June as the U.S. economy added 224,000 jobs, the best gain since January and running contrary to worries that both the employment picture and overall growth picture were beginning to weaken. The unemployment rate edged up to 3.7% as labor force participation rose, according to the Labor Department.
    Key Points:
    Nonfarm payrolls rose 224,000 in June, well above market expectations of 165,000, according to the Labor Department.
    The unemployment rate edged higher to 3.7% but was still near 50-year lows.
    Wage growth was 3.1% year over year, one-tenth of a point below market expectations.

    Meanwhile, the economic story from China is quite different according to CNBC:

    “+China’s economic growth has slumped to its lowest level in nearly three decades as the world’s second largest economy feels the effects of a prolonged trade war with the United States.
    +The country’s gross domestic product grew at 6.2% in the quarter ended June, the slowest quarterly growth rate since 1992 and down from 6.4% in the previous quarter, according to government figures released on Monday.
    +And the Chinese economy will continue to face “downward pressure” in the second half of this year, the country’s National Bureau of Statistics said in a statement.
    +”The Chinese economy is still in a complex and grave situation,” it said. “Global growth has slowed and external uncertainties are on the rise.””

  239. NYCmike says:

    The Founding Fathers were big believers in the benefits of international trade to help produce prosperity for the citizens of this country, but also believed in tariffs. Were they against “free trade”? Were tariffs not as much of a factor since there was not yet a huge volume of federal taxes, rules and regulations besides tariffs?

    Does the fact that China spends a lot of money keeping freedom FROM their citizens put them at a disadvantage when trade parameters are on a level playing field?

  240. Big Joe says:

    Good, the first round of the NCAA tournament is in the books .. I mean 1st round of the Dem Primary. No notable upsets or potential Cinderallas. Some underdogs had their moments, but alas it was not good enough.

    Hopefully the field will be down to 10 by the next debates and down to 5 or 6 by the IA Caucuses.

    Big Joe

  241. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Regarding international trade, believe Andrew Michta said it best.

    “In today’s world of protected markets, extorted intellectual property, and government subsidies, to continue to argue that for the past four decades we have been engaged in anything resembling the ideal of free trade is to deny reality. It is time to abandon globalist mantras that a national manufacturing base no longer matters, or that the traditional export-import calculus no longer applies.It is time to abandon globalist mantras that a national manufacturing base no longer matters, or that the traditional export-import calculus no longer applies.Otherwise America’s decline as a global power will proceed apace, and the United States will run the increasing risk of being unable to maintain those elements of our supply chain that are vital to the national security. It is imperative for the United States to onshore the critical segments of our supply chain, and to implement stringent export controls and the rudiments of national economic policy, especially in areas impacting our military strength. In short, our core strategic priority should be to disentangle our economy from China’s, to stop educating China’s future weapons designers in our premier science and engineering colleges and universities, and to restore at least a semblance of a level playing field when it comes to international trade and investment.”

  242. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    9m
    A$AP Rocky released from prison and on his way home to the United States from Sweden. It was a Rocky Week, get home ASAP A$AP!

  243. lisab says:

    CNN: A$AP is a uncle tom

  244. Tina says:

    Sweden is a sheothole. 2 tiers of justice.

    The Associated Press
    @AP
    · 5h
    A witness in the A$AP Rocky assault case has revised her story from initial police reports, testifying in a Swedish court that she didn’t actually see the American rapper hitting a man with a bottle. (link: http://apne.ws/s5rs0Cs) apne.ws/s5rs0Cs

  245. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Its time to restart the Mueller investigation, the Washington Post has found more evidence of collusion:

    “Even one of Trump’s favorite foods has a hidden Russia connection”

    It’s high summer — hamburger season. The char, the fat, the squishy perfection of processed bread sopping up the overflowing juices — doesn’t it somehow seem like Americans’ birthright? There’s a reason that President Trump chose to serve hamburgers — twice — as an all-American feast for some all-American championship college football players.
    But peel back the oil-spattered pages of history, and you’ll find that the sandwich so closely aligned with the stars and stripes was once also embraced by the hammer and sickle. (Yep, like so much about this current administration, even Trump’s beloved hamburgers have surprising ties to Russia.)

  246. lisab says:

    that is why it is called a “hamburger”

    after the city hamburg

    which is a famous russian city … ummmmmmmm …

  247. lisab says:

    ok … have you heard of german collusion?

  248. Tina says:

    Maybe a hook up with Willie?

    Andy Swan
    @AndySwan
    ·
    2m
    How will Kamala the Cop deal with A$AP’s release?!!!

  249. Tina says:

    Trump pulls Ratcliffes nomination for DSI.

    He will remain in congress.

    The next show to drop would be the support of the Rinos in the senate.

    Predicted this.

  250. dblaikie says:

    lisab, Thanks for taking us down memory lane with MD. In hindsight what is amazing to me is the number of people back then who just hanged on every word he said. In 2016 if MD proclaimed from on high that it was a fact, then for a number fellow posters it was exactly that.

    On another matter I see that wormtongue continues to move the goalposts with Trump. Just to remind us all, Trump won with 46% of the vote. I refuse to get into the minutia with these polls except to say Trump support is under reported. Sorry worm, he is not underwater.

  251. Tina says:

    From the socialist son:

    Kristol said in 2017 that white, working-class Americans were “decadent, lazy, [and] spoiled.” He even accused Carlson, his one-time protégé, of being a white nationalist.

  252. lisab says:

    dblaikie,

    in that same MD thread, wormtongue was saying hillary by 15%!!!!!

  253. Hugh says:

    250. Amen.

  254. DW says:

    Nobody knows what’s going to happen in 2020. Its anybody’s guess as to the Dem nominee. Yes, Biden leads, but will he hold up? I am starting to think maybe. Because the other clowns are going to wrongly assume that the way to catch up to Biden is to go harder left, but that will hurt them, not help them. The Dem primary electorate is not going to be nearly as radical left as people think, given the number of states with an open primary (where voters can pick the ballot of either party) and the fact that the GOP will not have a contest. This frees indy voters who might otherwise pick the R ballot to instead grab a D ballot. These profile of voters recoil from the looniest leftists, but could vote for Biden.

    So Biden can hang on, so long as he is more or less alone in the lane of perceived moderation, while the other clowns (Booker, Warren, Sanders, Harris, etc) all compete for the same voters.

  255. lisab says:

    another kennedy died at the cape cod kennedy compund

    just 22 yo

    rip

    Saoirse Roisin Kennedy Hill died aged 22 from a suspected drug overdose at the Kennedy Compound on Cape Cod just after 2.30pm Thursday

  256. janz says:

    #250. Totally agree with the content of that posted excerpt.

    DW. Some political analysts are speculating that Sanders & Warren are vying for the same supporters. Should one exit the race – most seem to think it will be Sanders – their percentages combined will then be a viable challenge to Biden.

    As for Biden’s continuing high numbers, despite poor debate performances, he remains the most “normalized” dem in comparison to the other loony dem contenders.

  257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I continue to believe there is a good chance that if Sanders does not get the nomination, he will run as an independent.

    Bernie prides himself on being the foremost socialist in the U.S. From small town Vermont mayor, he became socialist senator from Vermont, and a major presidential candidate in 2016. He views the nomination as being stolen from him in 2016 Throughout this period of time he never joined the Democratic Party.

    Comrade Bernie is the foremost socialist in the U.S. He has lead socialism to great heights. This is his final campaign, and will establish his legacy. He is not going to endorse Biden and ride off into the sunset. Yes he hates Trump, but he hates capitalism more. For that matter he probably also hates Biden. His final legacy act is to show an avowed socialist candidate can get a major share of the vote in the 21st century.

  258. lisab says:

    i dont think bernie can run as an indie

    aren’t their sore loser laws?

  259. Blobbie says:

    You are all redneck inbred deplorables supporting Trump!

    Only people who support the Democratic candidates are educated

  260. Blobbie says:

    Everyone of you who likes Barry White music is racist!

  261. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    267. They do not apply to presidential elections, with maybe an exception or two. Also there is a question if they are constitutional if applied to federal office. According to Wikipedia, the North Carolina sore loser law was ruled unconstitutional.

  262. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    269. Don’t forget skiing is definitely an act of white supremacy, since snow is white and therefore inherently racist. And Snow White and the dwarfs have got to go. It is rumored that some of the dwarfs were Trump supporters, which makes it even worse.

  263. Blobbie says:

    “Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes”

    Racist!

  264. Blobbie says:

    And the most important thing is if you don’t do everything you can to let the Democrats win and remake America to their liking, then you are acting unethically.

  265. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Christmas is definitely racist. All those people dreaming of a white Christmas, plus Santa’s home is somewhere north of formerly lily white Scandinavia.

  266. Blobbie says:

    Don’t even get me started on Polar bears

  267. Phil says:

    The nominee will be Biden or Harris. How do I know? The Washington Post came out with an editorial today calling the healthcare Medicare for all plans of Sanders and Warren unrealistic and unworkable. Tells me the Democratic establishment has awakened to the fact that neither candidate can be elected and now are all in to see that neither is nominated.

    Pretty clear to me.

  268. Tina says:

    So, Muleheads hoax investigation cost $31.7 million.

  269. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Is it true that the nominee who withdraw had no experience in the field of intelligence beyond 6 months on a committee? If true, that seems pretty weak for the position. I would vote for you before I would vote for him.

  270. Bitterlaw says:

    Democrats in closely contested states will not toss away their votes on an independent run by Sanders or anybody else. Their sole goal is to beat Trump. In states like California, New York, NJ, Mass., and Illinois they could safely do it.

  271. Bitterlaw says:

    The Kennedys are not cursed. There are just a lot of them. Take any huge family or 100 random people and you will wrack up accidents and deaths. Except for assassinations.

  272. Tina says:

    Wrong Bl, as usual for houl

    It is true that the republicons derailed him.

    Check out the SSIC,

    Bitterlaw says:
    August 2, 2019 at 8:17 pm
    Tina – Is it true that the nominee who withdraw had no experience in the field of intelligence beyond 6 months on a committee? If true, that seems pretty weak for the position. I would vote for you before I would vote for him.

  273. Tina says:

    In 2004, President George W. Bush appointed Ratcliffe to be the Chief of Anti-Terrorism and National Security for the Eastern District of Texas, within the U.S. Department of Justice. He was with doj until 2008.

    Ratcliffe has been on the homeland security committee since 2015, Bl. Prior to this, he worked in doj He serves on the following committees:

    House Committee on the Judiciary
    Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security
    Member, Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet
    House Committee on Ethics
    House Committee on Homeland Security
    Member, Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Infrastructure Protection, and Innovation
    Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Maritime Security
    House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
    Member, Subcommittee on Intelligence Modernization and Readiness
    Member, Subcommittee on Strategic Technologies and Advanced Research

  274. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I asked because I did not know the answer and figured you would. GFY.

  275. lisab says:

    of rfk’s 11 children

    2 are dead

    8 have been arrested

    8 have had alcohol or drug problems

    yeah … normal family

  276. Tina says:

    Gfy, Bl.

    Have a nice evening.

  277. Cash Cow TM says:

    Guess which one of the following are NOT one of the top 6 most common air pollutant (accd. to the EPA):

    A. ground level ozone
    B. particulate matter
    C. carbon monoxide
    D. lead
    E. carbon dioxide
    F. sulfur dioxide
    G. nitrogen dioxide

  278. Cash Cow TM says:

    OH CRAP!

    COW KILLED THE THREAD!

    (sorry, Dave W.)

  279. lisab says:

    since carbon dioxide is a required chemical to sustain life on earth …

    hard to call it a pollutant

  280. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “since carbon dioxide is a required chemical to sustain life on earth …”

    But think how beautiful the earth would be as a barren rock just floating through space. Its that nasty carbon dioxide that animals exhale, and plants take in to grown and survive, that veils this glorious barrenness. Its like a planetary fungus infection — being malignantly feed by carbon dioxide.

  281. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Happily, a lot of the world’s more prominent environmentalists secretly do not want the earth to turn into a barren rock — which is why they create as much carbon dioxide as possible when they attend their exclusive eco-meetings.

    “A host of A-list celebrities faced an angry backlash today after they traveled to a climate change conference in Italy in a fleet of supercars, expensive yachts, and more than 100 private jets.
    Guests at the secretive Google Camp were accused of hypocrisy after they gathered this week to discuss the environment while leaving a considerable carbon footprint of their own.
    Prince Harry is understood to have given a passionate barefoot speech about saving the planet, although Buckingham Palace has refused to confirm his attendance or whether he too traveled by private jet.
    * * *
    Some 114 fuel-guzzling planes were scheduled to land in Palermo for the elite gathering, according to Italian media, while others brought their super-yachts to a three-day conference whose guests include Katy Perry and Harry Styles.
    BBC presenter Andrew Neil was among those to point out the irony, saying: ‘Scores of celebrities and the rich have arrived in Sicily for a Google conference. They came in 114 private jets and a flotilla of superyachts. The conference is on global warming.’

  282. lisab says:

    the carbon dioxide levels of the jurassic period was five times higher than today

    plants are literally gasping for co2

    save a tree, burn coal

  283. Cash Cow TM says:

    carbon dioxide is the correct answer.

  284. lisab says:

    carbon dioxide is the correct answer.
    ———————

    of course

  285. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    lisab, before you recommend coal, perhaps you should look at the actual pollutants that coal produces, compared with natural gas.

    Nitrogen Oxides: 92 (Natural Gas); 457 (Coal)

    Sulfur Dioxide: 1 (Natural Gas); 2,591(Coal)

    Particulates: 7 (Natural Gas);(Coal)2,744)

    Mercury: 0.000 (Natural Gas); 0.016 (Coal)

    Carbon Dioxide: 117,000 (Natural Gas); 208,000 (Coal)

    Carbon Monoxide: 40 (Natural Gas); 208 (Coal)

    Perhaps you may also want to visit a Chinese city where they burn coal; you sometimes can almost cut the air with a knife. China is massively importing natural gas to replace coal generation in its cities; In the U.S., natural gas is rapidly replacing coal; not only is it cleaner than coal, it is also cheaper to use.

    In the next decade you may also begin to see a lot more hydrogen used for energy — the Japanese will be featuring it at their future Olympics.

  286. Tina says:

    On HBO,
    @BillMaher
    frets: “All the Democrats have to do to win is to come off less crazy than Trump — and, of course, they’re blowing it! Coming across as unserious people who are going to take away all your money so migrants from Honduras can go to college for free.” #RealTime

  287. DW says:

    Status of the 26 communists and jason who are all competing for the Dem nomination. The big news in this update is Jason is now tied with senator Bennet:

    1 – Biden: 32.2 (+2.9)
    2 – Sanders: 16.5 (+1.5)
    3 – Warren: 14 (-0.5)
    4 – Harris: 10.3 (-1.5)
    5 – Buttigieg: 5.5 (+0.5)
    6 – O’Rourke : 3 (+0.3)
    7 – Booker: 1.7 (same)
    8 – Yang: 1.5 (-0.5)
    9 – Castro: 1 (same)
    10 – Gabbard: 0.8 (-0.2)
    11 – Klobuchar : 0.7 (-0.6)
    12 – Delaney: 0.7 (same)
    13 – Ryan: 0.7 (+0.4)
    14 – Gillibrand: 0.3 (-0.2)
    15 – Williamson: 0.3 (same)
    16 – de Blasio : 0.2 (-0.5)
    17 – Bullock: 0.2 (-0.5)
    18 – Hickenlooper: 0.2 (-0.3)
    19 – Jason: 0
    20 – Bennet: 0 (-0.3)
    21 – Inslee: 0 (same)
    22 – Sestak: 0
    23 – Moulton: 0 (same)
    24 – Messam : 0 (same)
    25 – Gravel: 0 (same)
    26 – Swalwell: Dropped out
    27 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  288. Wes says:

    In 2001, Afghanistan was the opening salvo in our belated reaction to increasing terror attacks by Islamic radicals. GWB was lauded for being the first western leader since Alexander the Great to preside over a victory in Afghanistan. Then the jingoistic elements of his Administration took and demanded a misguided war in Iraq whose ultimate outcome after years of bungling was to undermine the GOP advantage on foreign policy and usher in an area (thankfully brief because Dems overreached on their own issues in 2009 and 2010) of Dem domination of electoral politics in the US.

    Afghanistan became a largely neglected issue in American foreign policy, and now the US has soured on it to the point where Trump is advocating either a full-scale or nearly full-scale pullout by next year.

    The final dregs of GWB’s bungled foreign policy are being swept away. Afghanistan could have been a huge success had GWB not become an incompetent jingoist in office. Instead, it will now go down as one more failed endeavor from an Administration riddled with such:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-wants-pull-all-troops-out-afghanistan-2020-election-n1038651

  289. lisab says:

    sdc,

    i am one of the few people on hhr who has actually been to china

    and

    their air quality is the same as ours was in 1940 … before we started scrubbing the output of our coal plants

    pittsburg 1941

    https://cdn.citylab.com/media/img/citylab/2012/06/05/p1_1/lead_large.jpg?mod=1494546759

  290. Bitterlaw says:

    CCC

  291. DW says:

    “DW. Some political analysts are speculating that Sanders & Warren are vying for the same supporters. Should one exit the race – most seem to think it will be Sanders – their percentages combined will then be a viable challenge to Biden.”

    This of course assuming that all of the supporters of the one that dropped out would go to the other and not splinter amongst all the remaining loonies, of which there are many.

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I regret my GFY to you last night. I am sorry. If you don’t accept my apology, GFY.

  293. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lisab, this isn’t a coal versus natural gas situation.

    There are now energy plants that burn both coal and natural gas, and coal gasification is a growing technology, particular in China.

    As far as current coal plants. I spend a lot of my time in the western states, and have seen the steady decline in air quality, for example in the national parks, from the coal plants in the region — many of which are being closed down. I think Al Gore and the current leftist eco freaks are wacko; but that should not stop us from moving forward with cleaner new energy technology.

    “Gasification, as opposed to combustion, is the most thermally efficient and cleanest way to convert the energy content of coal into electricity, hydrogen, clean fuels, and value-added chemicals. The product of gasification the syngasis a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide. Sulfur, however, has to be removed from the mixture in the form of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) and carbonyl sulfide (COS) to protect process equipment and meet environmental regulations.
    * * *
    Gasification is a process through which carbon-based materials such as coal, petroleum coke, and biomass are converted into syngas that can be used to efficiently produce clean electricity, transportation fuels, and chemicals using domestic fuel resources. Cost-effective syngas clean-up technology is a key to achieving near-zero emissions from gasification-based power generation and chemical plants. Additionally, gasification-based systems provide the lowest cost option for capturing and sequestering carbon dioxide from coal use.”

    https://energynews.us/2017/02/24/midwest/conversion-to-natural-gas-brings-new-life-to-aging-coal-plants/

  294. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    297. Totally agree with what Wes said.

  295. dblaikie says:

    I wonder how long it will be before slow-minded uncle Joe realizes his mistake in saying he would get rid of fossil fuels in 10 years. Talk about giving away the rust belt and Midwest States. I fully expect Joe to mumble and mutter as he backtracks.

  296. dblaikie says:

    I don’t see much of the Bernie vote, or Warren vote, or even Harris vote going to Uncle Joe when the field narrows. I think he is within 10 points of his high point.

  297. Tina says:

    The porn lawyah May get back in.

    Also, now with the Drat implosion @ debate 2, there is talk of Her Thighness and Bloomberg getting in.

  298. Marco Rubio says:

    Thoughts and prayers to El Patho.

    Why no good guy with a gun in Robert O’Rork’s El Patho?

    Fwiends, this is why we need more Donald Trump.

  299. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    308. “Why no good guy with a gun.”

    In most locations in Texas you would have a lot of concealed carry holders, some of whom would have taken on the gunman.

    The store in question had a lot of customers from Mexico, who would not have been carrying guns. The piece of human slim picked defenseless people who could not fight back.

    Juarez across the border has one of the highest homicide rates in the world — in 2018 a total of 1,247 people were killed — Mexico has strong gun control laws, which are largely ignored. A lot of my friends across the border in Baja keep guns for safety.

  300. Phil says:

    Let’s play a game. Who is the first Democratic candidate today to actually call for gun confiscation?

    I’ll play.

    I say it’s Spartacus.

  301. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    310. Phil, you may be right. But Beto might use the incident to try and jump start his failing campaign.

  302. Tina says:

    Spartacus was first, beta malw second.

    Biden has not yet awoken.

  303. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden may preempt them, and point out he was involved in enacting the assault weapons ban in the 1990s, and favors it now.

  304. Robbie says:

    It’s almost as if a political movement based on scapegoating immigrants might have some unintended consequences.

    But by all means, keep portraying immigration as dirty as Tucker Carlson and other prominent hard right populists have. Some mentally disturbed lunatic won’t take it the wrong way.

  305. lisab says:

    well seeing as the western states have well below average electricity made by coal

    except at night and on windless days when they have to import electricity at a premium

    perhaps they should rethink their strategy an build a few coal plants and then they could close down the hundreds of inefficient “green energy” sink holes

    50000 coal miners create 4 times as much energy as the 3 million green energy workers, much cheaper per megawatt, and then you have all of those 3 million people

    plus, you would not have to put all those subsidies on “green energy” to make them look competitive

    just think of coal as solar powe from millions of years ago

  306. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 3, 2019 at 7:10 pm
    Let’s play a game. Who is the first Democratic candidate today to actually call for gun confiscation?

    – Let’s play a game. Which prominent populist politicians/commentators have described Hispanic immigration as an “invasion” just as this white nationalist lunatic did?

  307. lisab says:

    “all of those three million people” driving their cars every day all over creation trying to figure out why their wind turbine stopped working after 5 years and why the houses using lng just blew up

    coal … you just need a shovel a bucket and a match … 🙂

    i love my wood stove and pellet stove

    but nothing keeps a house warm like a coal stove … i have on occasion had to open windows to cool off my house in winter if it gets above freezing outside

  308. lisab says:

    out of curiosity …

    regarding the shooting.

    how does he go on a shooting spree for 20 minutes before he is confronted by police?

  309. lisab says:

    one witness reported seeing 4 shooters moving together

    but that was in the english press

  310. Wes says:

    Robbie, thoughts on Dem plans to tax you to pay for education and health care for illegals?

  311. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    315. “perhaps they should rethink their strategy an build a few coal plants and then they could close down the hundreds of inefficient “green energy” sink holes”

    Natural gas is being used already to keep the electricity going when “green” energy is not working. Despite what you hear, California still gets 45% of its electricity from natural gas. This percentage is actually higher because several large solar plants, like Ivanpah, use natural gas to produce electricity when the sun is not shining – that is credited as solar.
    You probably have read about the accident near San Diego where the beach cliff collapsed and killed three people. If you look at pictures of the site facing north, you will see the large Encina natural gas plant. It was recently closed and has been replaced with a natural gas “peaker plant” whose turbines can be turned on in 10 minutes and produce 500 MW of power. You cannot do that with a coal plant.

  312. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    mnw is not here, so will quote him: “Don’t feed the trolls.”

  313. VictrC says:

    Very disappointed to see someone on here rushing to place the blame on the White House. Just as I can imagine on facebook Liberals are rushing to blame all Trump voters or Republicans for the acts of one deranged.

    Robbie. I respectfully as you to please show the quote where Trump said Hispanic immigration was an invasion.

    We have to stop holding and entire group responsible for the acts of one deranged person.

    Just as an MS-13 member who will kill today does not mean that all Hispanics are murders.

    Just as a black man who kills someone in Chicago does not mean all Black men are gang members

    Just as a man who assaults a woman does not mean all men are domestic abusers, so does it mean

    That just because one deranged person commits a heinous act that either Trump, or his supporters or his voters are deranged racists.

    Please, lets stop conflating one with the other.

  314. Phil says:

    You know h answer to that, Wes. He’s fine with it.

  315. Phil says:

    Someone please point out to Robbie that immigration and illegal immigration are not the same thing. Of course, he knows that.

    Oh and tucker Carlson did not shoot anyone nor did he make anyone shoot anybody. LOL

    Robbie watching MSNBC all afternoon and as usual feels compelled to bring their leftist drivel straight over here. Same pattern as always.

  316. Tina says:

    Latest report is that his “manifesto” is fake.

    He obviously hates (he killed).

    Could be too much time in mommas basement, too many video games, and too much drug,

  317. Tina says:

    Beta Male is asking for El Paso tragedy donations, routed directly to his website.

    What a crock.

  318. Phil says:

    Doesn’t matter, Tina. A shooting took place in a border city.

    That obviously means we now must
    1) get the guns
    2) open the borders

    CNN said so.

  319. Tina says:

    Phil, as did the Jebot aka Russian hoaxer.

  320. Phil says:

    Which one, Tina?

    There are about thirty that fit that description.

  321. Tina says:

    Black approval of trump

    Real world;
    Economist Trump Appro. Blacks 18%
    Rasmussen 32% HarrisX 15% Fox 22%

  322. Phil says:

    If Trump wins 14 or 15 % of the black vote he gets re-elected.

    He won’t get that, but I could see 12 which would mean he improves by 5% over 2016.

    Democrats will play the hell out of the race card like they always do to scare blacks as usual. I can see them really ramping it up this cycle especially – to the point of over playing it – and that could backfire with the white working class voters they need to win back.

  323. Tina says:

    That explains the muh racistcharges by the drats, Phil.

    They did this post Mulehead implosion.

  324. Tina says:

    Mad magazine has chimed in:

    Pete Buttigieg
    @PeteButtigieg
    · 2h
    Our country is under attack from white nationalist terrorism, inspiring murder on our soil and abetted by weak gun laws. If we are serious about national security, we must summon the courage to name and defeat this evil.

  325. Phil says:

    Was that Pete or Robbie?

  326. Tina says:

    They sound alike.

    Drat talkingmpoints must have filtered down to the basement dwellers.

  327. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    336. The trolls received their script.

  328. Bitterlaw says:

    The carnage continues. Why does somebody who murders 20 and wounds 26 get to surrender? Shoot him.

  329. Phil says:

    Agree completely.

  330. lisab says:

    Why does somebody who murders 20 and wounds 26 get to surrender?
    ————————–

    you skipped law class that day?

  331. lisab says:

    FBI Helped Hillary Clinton Erase and Bleachbit Data Off Laptops and Hammer Phones

  332. Bitterlaw says:

    https://apnews.com/3b1b785f5b364d9da050bec3d0d48312

    Carnage continues. Again.

    lisab – Your law degree from Google Search U is worthless.

  333. Messy says:

    July 28
    Gilroy: 3 dead, 12 injured

    August 3
    El Paso: 20 dead, 26 injured

    August 4
    Dayton: 9 dead, 16 injured

    If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now.

  334. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Messy the Moron #343:
    Now do everyday murders in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago. CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we should be discussing right now if the media and Liberals like you cared an iota about inner cities’ African-Americans who perish by the handsful every weekend?!
    Among your many character frailties, you can now add “Death Pimp” .
    Have you ever commented about a Bernie Bro trying to murder Republican Congressmen during softball practice?

  335. Phil says:

    I think “death pimp” pretty well nails it.

  336. Bitterlaw says:

    I fully support the 2d Amendment. I am sickened by the carnage in mass shootings AND daily shootings in places like Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, DC….. Both can be true.

    The cold reality is nothing will change. The options are pretty limited:

    1. Pass more useless gun laws that will only restrict people who were never going to shoot anybody anyway.

    2. Arm yourself and hope that you are the calm, deliberate shot you think you are when the bullets start flying.

    3. Accept that nothing will change and keep photos of your loved ones handy to be distributed to media outlets to use while the sad music plays and the victims’ names scroll on the bottom of the screen.

  337. Tina says:

    The so called manifesto is interesting. He mentions support of a universal income and universal healthcare. Also, he states,

    “The decimation of our environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.”

    Sounds to be more like a progressive loon type.

    Need to look at his medical history. What were his prescribed meds, what mental issues did he have, etc.

  338. Tina says:

    I also want more information as to why faux news reported that the shooting lasted 20 minutes, How quickly did the cops respond? Nobody engaged the suspect?

    In Gilroy, the cops engaged the suspect in a minute.

  339. Phil says:

    ‘‘The cold reality is that options are limited”

    Yep

  340. Phil says:

    20 minutes?

    Who was running the show in El Paso? The Ft Lauderdale sheriff?

  341. Tina says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    18m
    A POTUS enforcing federal immigration laws, and accurately pointing out domestic crime rates, is not a catalyst for some lunatic to commit a massacre.

    If that’s what you believe you need help.

  342. Tina says:

    This was predictable.

    “Maria B. on Fox and she indicated that Ratcliffe pulled out of DNI because Mitch and that Burr wouldn’t even meet with him. She will have more on her show at 10.”

  343. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    August 3, 2019 at 8:45 pm
    Robbie, thoughts on Dem plans to tax you to pay for education and health care for illegals?

    – Wes, thoughts on hard right populists scapegoating immigrants as a political strategy?

  344. Marco Rubio says:

    Fwiends, the manifesto is fake. These thootings are media creations to forward their dithhonest agenda.

    We need good guys with guns. Thoughts and prayers is what we need. Please join me in sending thoughts and prayers.

    Thank you for your thupport.

  345. Wes says:

    Robbie, maybe you can answer the question rather than set up a smoke screen.

  346. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 3, 2019 at 9:11 pm
    You know h answer to that, Wes. He’s fine with it.

    – This is what I find so sad about Phil these days. For some pathetic reason, he has decided that any objection someone has to dear leader Trump or the current political dynamic means that person is a secret liberal.

    Trump is a scummy human being who traffics in racism and bigotry. Whether he likes them or not, white nationalists believe he is on their side. He has spent the last four years scapegoating immigrants and Muslims because he knows it tickles the erogenous zone of angry whites boomers who are upset it’s not 1985 anymore.

    I reject that view, but that doesn’t make me a liberal and you know it, but you have decided that conservatism is now whatever Trump pukes up, even if it’s anti-free trade tariffs which you absolutely would have opposed had Obama supported them.

  347. Phil says:

    Enforcing borders is now “scapegoating immigrants”

    Interesting.

    Tell us more, Beto.

  348. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 3, 2019 at 10:10 pm
    Was that Pete or Robbie?

    – Cry more. I’m sorry you can’t accept the country doesn’t look like it did in the hay day of your life, but too darn bad. Adapt or die. Sadly, you Trump, and the rest of the new populist right have decided against adapting and are leading the party to its political death.

  349. Wes says:

    I think Trump is feigning obsession with this untenable wall as a way to appease his base; however, I’m not seeing the scapegoating of immigrants but rather a strict focus on illegals. Trump has no capacity to control anything he says, so he invariably garbles his own message with infantile rants. Nonetheless, I see no evidence of his targeting legal immigrants.

    On the other hand, the overtly anti-Semitic Pat Buchanan has openly called for at least a hiatus on all immigration and seems to want to return to the nearly lily-White America of the 19th Century. Fortunately Buchanan with his borderline racism and outdated thinking is not a Representative of the mainstream Right.

  350. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    August 3, 2019 at 10:15 pm
    They sound alike.
    Drat talkingmpoints must have filtered down to the basement dwellers.

    – How crushed were you to learn your QAnon friends have been deemed domestic terrorists? I know you believed Comet Pizza was real. Should Trump fire Wray for doing this to your Q friends, you pyscho freak?

  351. Phil says:

    We are all supposed to adapt to illegal immigration?

    You do know the meaning of the word “illegal”, right?

  352. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    August 3, 2019 at 9:22 pm
    Latest report is that his “manifesto” is fake.

    – A lie, but that’s what Tinfoil does.

    Memo to Tina. Jim Hoft is not credible.

  353. Wes says:

    Robbie, I’m just going to throw this out there:

    I’ve never once seen Phil express support for Trump’s tariffs.

    He does take an overly pessimistic view of demographics, but I don’t see any evidence of his doing that because of Trump.

  354. Robbie says:

    Who will be the first person to blame the shootings in El Paso that targeted immigrants to be the work of Antifa super soldiers. I know this forum is capable of it so don’t let me down.

  355. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    August 4, 2019 at 10:29 am
    Robbie, maybe you can answer the question rather than set up a smoke screen.

    – I’m not sure why I’m the one putting up the smokescreen when your initial response to my first comment was to deflect with a policy question.

    But to answer you question, where in my 15 years on commenting in this forum have I espoused Democrat policy positions. If suggesting that it’s wrong to scapegoat immigrants is the same as supporting a Democrat plan to fund illegal healthcare, then you’ve lost your mind every bit as much as Phil has on this topic.

    Is it still 1970?

  356. Tina says:

    Basement dweller got the talking points.

    Did we move on from Russian hoaxing and porn lawyah?

  357. Phil says:

    Immigrants and Illegal immigrants are not the same., but you very well know that…..and quit with the “sorryThe country isn’t white enough for you” BS.

    Just stop.

    You sound exactly like AOC.

  358. Tina says:

    It is not a Drat talking point to conflate legal and illegal immigration and make a statement that “it’s not too bad that the country is not white enough for you and look like it did when you were first born.”

    Yup, not Drat talking points at all. /s

  359. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 4, 2019 at 10:34 am
    Enforcing borders is now “scapegoating immigrants”
    Interesting.
    Tell us more, Beto.

    – I knew this would be Phil’s retort, but if you think Trump’s hard core supporters and white nationalists are drawing a distinction between legal and illegal immigration, then someone has scooped your brain out.

    Notice I blamed politicians and political commentators last night. Trump has certainly stoked the flames, but look at the crap Lou Dobbs and Tucker Carlson have spewed on FoxNews. Tucker said “immigration”, not illegal immigration, makes the country dirtier. Dobbs has had on guests who claim immigrants are bringing lethal diseases to this country.

    But back to your response. What happened yesterday happened not because of illegal immigration. It happened because the shooter believed conspiratorial views about “white replacement” and that immigration was turning Texas into a Democrat state.

    My view about scapegoating immigrants has nothing to do with open borders or whatever other catch phrase you want to throw out there to make yourself sound hardline and tough.

  360. Tina says:

    Let’s throw in “white nationalist” too. You know because the squad used those words a few weeks ago.

  361. Tina says:

    The shooter also advocated for token conservative positions of universal healthcare and universal income.

    The shooter is a loon. I hope they assign him Federal charges too so that the newly resinstuted federal death penalty applies. Texas could easily take care of this.

    I am sure the Ds are for the death penalty.

  362. Tina says:

    A better solution would be why nobody from the El Paso police force did not take the shooter out.

    I hope the reports of a 20 minute response are not true.

    El Paso PD needs to provide explanations.

  363. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 4, 2019 at 10:39 am
    We are all supposed to adapt to illegal immigration?
    You do know the meaning of the word “illegal”, right?

    – No and you know that but you’re trying to muddle the discussion to benefit your myopic obsession with illegal immigration.

    The country is changing demographically whether there’s illegal immigration or not. Republicans can either adapt to that fact and remain viable nationally, or they can choose your path and double down on taking positions that turn minorities away.

    There just aren’t enough angry rural whites out there to compensate for the demographic changes.

  364. Tina says:

    Amen.

    Sebastian Gorka DrG
    @SebGorka
    ·
    12h
    Here’s a controversial thought:

    The only person responsible for a premeditated act of violence is the actual person who did the violence.

  365. SusyQue says:

    My fellow Christians, please pray for our great homeland cuntry, the USA! Last night, a moslim named Akbar Salah Uddin killed nine young white Christians in Dayton, Ohio.

    Please pray for our Christians and for our country home that is being invaded and infested. ooo and Soros are leading he invastion. We will win against this war in Jesus name!

    In Him

  366. Tina says:

    Can anybody else corroborate a 20 minute El Paso Pd response time?

    I know it came from Faux, but lately they are no better than cn and n or mslsd.

  367. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 4, 2019 at 10:54 am
    Immigrants and Illegal immigrants are not the same., but you very well know that…..and quit with the “sorryThe country isn’t white enough for you” BS.
    Just stop.
    You sound exactly like AOC.

    – And you sound like Lou Dobbs and Tucker Carlson.

    What I find so humorous is you believe Trump’s hard core supporters and the white nationalists who support him are drawing any sort of distinction between legal and illegal immigration.

    Of course, they’re not. They see immigration, legal and illegal, as the problem. When the crowd chanted “send her back” to a legal immigrant, were they concerned with the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. Nope. They wanted an immigrant gone.

    Yesterday was about some lunatic’s problem with immigration. And my point remains that the pollical dynamic sparked by Trump’s rise to power has established a climate that is terribly inhospitable towards immigrants, legal and illegal.

    I do not, I repeat, do not blame Trump for yesterday’s murders, but he has stoked for political gain a dynamic that made yesterday possible and he should stop. So should FoxNews. Those people who died yesterday, whether legal or illegal, were targeted because they were immigrants to the shooter. he didn’t stop and question their legal status before he shot them.

  368. Bitterlaw says:

    America’s demographics are changing? Good. If I only wanted to live with white Christians I would move to Finland.

  369. Tina says:

    “I don’t blame trump (wink wink) but he stoked it by wanting to enforce the border “

    Drat talking point,

  370. Phil says:

    White nationalists absolutely do not draw a distinction between illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants. I clearly do, and always have. That is an absolute fact, friend. I have 12 years on this site of doing just that. Long before Trump. Everyone on here knows it….including you BTW.

    Now i’m done engaging with you and your insinuations. ‘’Sorry the country isn’t white enough for you” my ass.

  371. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not know if the manifesto is Fame. However, one section makes me suspect it is real. Why would somebody create a fake manifesto of a “white nationalist/Trumper” and write about robots talking away jobs, environmental issues, and a guaranteed income? The issues don’t go together except in the mind of a deranged person about to go on a killing spree.

  372. Tina says:

    Bl is right, post of the day.

    “issues don’t go together except in the mind of a deranged person about to go on a killing spree.”

  373. SusyQue says:

    What an uplifting Church gathering today to remember the 9 young vibrant white Christians who were killed by Akbar Salah Uddin in Dayton. Akbar is a moslim and sent by the Devil!

    Facebook has erased the manifesto written by Akbar and removed his page. ooo and Soros helped Akbar. Please pray for our home and our country from these evil invaders.

    We will win this war with moslims and non-Christians.

    In Him

  374. janz says:

    Interesting occurrence: before the shooting in Texas, the gunman’s My life bio stated he was a democrat. Immediately after the massacre, and the shooter’s identity was revealed, this same bio magically said he was a republican and a member of the NRA.

    Coincidence? I don’t think so!

  375. SusyQue says:

    Janz you are right. The Facebook changed the Democrat’s profile to say Republican. And the Facebook erased Akbar’s profile completely!

    May God help us all

  376. Wes says:

    We will win this war with moslims and non-Christians.

    Hm.

    A little bit of religious bigotry going on there?

  377. janz says:

    Bitter’s link had a picture of the 24 year old Ohio shooter. He was smiling and non-malevolent looking. What is happening to these young guys, provoking them to become mass murderers. It’s crazy!

  378. Tina says:

    Doj will declare El Paso killer to be a hate crime and a domestic terrrorisf.

    Death penalty charges will likely apply (and will in Texas, capital murder case).

    Let’s see what the drats do about the deflate penalty here,

  379. Tina says:

    Death penalty*

    Auto corrected to deflate penalty

  380. Tina says:

    The Dayton OH shooter appears to be a devil follower.

  381. Wes says:

    There’s no single causal answer, Janz, as each person will have individual psychology, background, and motivation, but I would suspect press sensationalism plays a big role.

    Our media flock to these kinds of things and give a kind of antiheroic Natural Born Killers-style notoriety to the events. Thus, people suffering from mental illness or feeling suicidal may decide to “go out with a bang,” so to speak and lash out at the life they feel has failed them while attaining a brief fame that would have eluded them had they continued being nondescript and not committed such a heinous act.

    Obviously this wouldn’t apply to all for the reasons I stated at the beginning of my post, but I would bet it’s a factor in many of the shootings.

    I would point out Finland once had a similar problem but cracked down on press coverage of mass killings and saw a large decrease in the number of incidents as a result.

    Maybe a similar reaction here would have a similar salutory effect since Finland has already provided us the template.

  382. SusyQue says:

    The moslem devil shooter posted this on his FB. His motive is clear. “Take out Christians … All is great… by killing them, this will give them incentive to convert!” This is absolutely sickening. This rhetoric has been elevated by #44 ooo, George Soros, and AOC, and Elijay Commings!

    The One Donald Trump is the only man trying to fight the enemy!

  383. Wes says:

    Can you provide a link to that, Tina?

  384. VictrC says:

    Ok, so let’s be frank

    What happened yesterday was/were a tragedy/tragedies. They were heinous acts committed by sick, twisted individuals whose hatred and contempt for people who don’t look like do not reflect the values of anyone in these United States.

    Americans of all political leanings universally condemn these acts for what they are, acts of terrorism. Trying to conflate the unthinkable that these two committed yesterday on to a whole political movement is nothing more than opportunism, because there is no Republican that I know, (squishy Rockefeller Republican or avid Trump Supporter) that thinks that these murders were anything more than heinous, disgusting and tragic.

    Let’s also be frank and realize that no matter who the Republican President were to be, the rhetoric from the left would be the same. Jeb Bush would be just as vilified and held responsible as Trump is. All his supporters would be labelled White Na tion alists just as they are being called it now. Bush would be called racists each day, just as Trump is.

    So to attempt to portray Trump, his supporters (whether they be avid or those who realize he is better than the alternative) and Republicans complicit in these attacks is just downright disingenuous, bordering on absurd.

  385. janz says:

    Never mind my comment about non-malevolent looking in the Ohio shooter’s photo. Apparently he wore Satanic patches on his clothing, along with other graphics on his tee shirt, showing what a discontented person he really was.

    I still wonder how such disturbed mindsets are created in the first place.

    The El Paso gunman’s manifesto – if legitimately written by him – leans towards a socially progressive nationalism ideology, more commonly known as a Nazi.

    We seem to be in the age of activated extremism, at it’s worst!

  386. Tina says:

    And possible song selection.

    Jim Heath
    ?
    @JimHeathTV
    Suspect in #Dayton shooting was wearing shorts with a black sweatshirt that read: “No heart to fear, no soul to steal.”

    The slogan is believed to be from a hateful and vengeful song called Ramirez by The Acacia Strain, a metalcore band.

  387. Phil says:

    “Devil follower?

    In other words, he was a Trump follower.

  388. Tina says:

    I won’t the words of the song here, I am offended by them for personal religious reasons.

  389. Wes says:

    Despite the misconception, Satanist—whether the Objectivist LaVeyan types or the religious type—are not generally known for violent behavior. I would guess the killer was just a metal head whose clothes reflected that culture.

  390. Tina says:

    We really need to look at whether these shooters were on Anti-Depressant and ADHD drugs.

    That and better mental health access.

    Those would be some of my solutions.

  391. Wes says:

    Janz, this album cover is on the front of a t-shirt I frequently wear. I’ve never shot or killed anyone. I would hesitate to make the leap of saying the killer’s clothes reflected some kind of discontent or misanthropy that led to this morning:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_Heaven#/media/File%3ASlayer_South_of_Heaven_Cover.jpg

  392. janz says:

    #393 Wes, all good points in that response.

    My head, though, is in shock, waking up to yet another senseless violent event! I only wish politics would take a pause, in the aftermath of two back-to-back slaughters, by not immediately exploiting it for a party or individual’s own purposes.

  393. Tina says:

    The songs lyrics prove that he is conservative (Republican)

    -Jebots

  394. Tina says:

    We will know more shortly on the Ohio shooter.

    They are searching his home and gathering additional evidence.

  395. Proud Obamacon says:

    Absolutely horrific. How incredibly tragic and sad for the families involved. The rest of us will just move on with our lives in a few days while the people senselessly killed are gone forever.

    Janz,
    “I only wish politics would take a pause, in the aftermath of two back-to-back slaughters, by not immediately exploiting it for a party or individual’s own purposes.”

    Sure, if these were two Muslim gunmen, I’m sure you’d be wanting to take a pause right?

    Tina,
    “That and better mental health access.

    Those would be some of my solutions.”

    You mean the health access you want your leader to take away from the very people who need it most?

    #FIGHT.RACISM

  396. janz says:

    Wes, initial comments, about any tragedy of this enormity, tend to be emotionally derived, which includes the emphasis on small fragmented details – like the wording on a tee shirt.

  397. Proud Obamacon says:

    “initial comments, about any tragedy of this enormity, tend to be emotionally derived, which includes the emphasis on small fragmented details”

    Very true, like how you and Tina will go any length grasping at straws to find a way to pin this on anything but the real source .. white nationalism. That’s not a political statement, it’s the damn truth.

    #FIGHT.RACISM

  398. janz says:

    PO, i don’t conflate a crime to identity politics. Each crime has stand-alone circumstances behind it. My questions are more around provocative circumstances surrounding what caused someone to inflict so much harm onto others in the first place.

  399. Proud Obamacon says:

    Janz,
    That is quite laughable to be honest. I won’t waste my time with you. You should probably re-read your posts in this thread and how you immediately tried to brand the shooter to be a Democrat, among other dubious suggestions.

    May the beautiful souls in El Paso and Dayton rest in peace. May our country find a way to rid ourselves of this disease called white nationalism.

    Bye all

    #OUR.HEARTS.ARE.BROKEN

  400. janz says:

    The type of verbiage spewed by the El Paso killer falls more along the lines of the “social progressive” nationalism model, rather than purely racially motivated white nationalism. Both are bad. However, there is a difference in the philosophical scope of their ideologies.

  401. janz says:

    PO, the apparent altering of party ID was the point of my original post. Facts, IMO, should not construed as prejudicial.

  402. VictrC says:

    Janz dont waste your time with PO, he, as other liberals and squishy “conservatives” will only use this as an impetus to get rid of Trump, tramp down Republicans and spread their message. As their leader said, “let no tragedy go to waste” (paraphrased).

    The upshot is that they have their new buzzword, White Nationalism. It is a way to paint anyone who doesn’t support their policies as a Hitler loving Trump supporter, since they now conflate Republicans with nazi. It’s a way to shame people into submission to their will, which is the goal of the left now, forcing those who are not with them to lay down and allow their ideology to become the dogma of America.

    It’s sad, its unfortunate, but its true.

  403. lisab says:

    the patches he’s wearing are from a known satanist apparel company.
    ——————————-

    a “known satanist apparel company”

    nike?

  404. lisab says:

    the trolls sure come out quickly after a shooting not in the inner cities

  405. lisab says:

    CHICAGO (CBS)– At least three people were killed and 37 were wounded in weekend shootings across Chicago.

    This weekend total includes four shootings on August 2, 12 shootings on August 3 and five shootings on August 4.

    There were two mass shooting overnight in Chicago.

  406. lisab says:

    why don’t they just pass a law making shooting people illegal?

  407. lisab says:

    btw … ohio shooter was engaged in one minute

    el paso shooter had 20 minutes

  408. VictrC says:

    Lisa

    Last weekend it was 9 murdersa and 39 shot.

    this week in Baltimore it was 10 shot dead.

    Were they Trump inspired? No. Which leads us to the fact that we do need to have a national conversation about violence.

    The murders in the inner city as just as heinous and tragic as the mass murders committed by these two terrorists (make no mistake, they are terrorists) and we have to ask ourselves, what is causing all the violence. What is causing so many young people to be so angry.

    The left won’t want to hear this, but as a father to a 3 year old and a 5 year old I can tell you that our children are pummeled each day with so many violent images. Liberals never blame Holllywood, video games, Television. No, they have no complicity in the violence taking over the country…yet, are quick to blame Trump, Conservatives and white people.

    So the question is how do we control the amount of violence that people see each day. Remember, like my children, many young adults have a hard time differentiating reality from the fake violence they see. I honestly think a lot of them don’t understand the pain that is inflicted is real. That there is no reset button on life. As someone whose seen the ravages of war, I can tell you that it changes your perspective completely.

    So, I do agree we need to have a national conversation about violence. Unfortunately the left doesn’t, they want to use it to gain power, control and institute their agenda. This is just a sad vehicle to do it.

  409. Wes says:

    I’m just dropping in for a friendly reminder about the new thread.

  410. lisab says:

    a mass shooting was how austrailia got everyone to turn in their guns

  411. dblaikie says:

    Well I don’t think Fox News will have Bill Richardson on anymore!