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Biden leads Trump by 2% in AZ, Beshear Leads Bevin By 9% in KY

OH Predictive Insights released a new poll for the state of Arizona showing Donald Trump trailing Joe Biden by 2% in a state Trump won in 2016.

PRESIDENT – ARIZONA (OHPI)
Joe Biden (D) 45%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 43%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 38%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%
Kamala Harris (D) 36%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%
Bernie Sanders (D) 34%

This poll was done August 13-14 among 600 likely voters. Meanwhile looking at this year, we finally have another poll for the gubernatorial race in Kentucky and it shows Republican Governor well behind in his bid for another term. This new poll comes from Clarity Campaign Labs

GOVERNOR – KENTUCKY (Clarity Campaign Labs)
Andy Beshear (D) 48%
Matt Bevin (R-inc) 39%
John Hicks (L) 4%

This poll was done August 12-13 among 792 registered voters. As far as I know, there have only been three public polls in this race.

Posted by Dave at 11:27 am
Filed under: General | Comments (331)

331 Responses to “Biden leads Trump by 2% in AZ, Beshear Leads Bevin By 9% in KY”

  1. Wes says:

    Oh, no!

    Dave posted the gubernatorial portion of the poll I posted earlier. Sacrilege, Dave! Sacrilege, I tell you!

    You should know better than to post Dem push polls!

  2. Big Joe says:

    Come on, Wes.. dang… 😀

    Big Joe

  3. lisab says:

    in surprise move, CNN considering opening news division

  4. Phil says:

    Yeah, Lisa…..but they only CONSIDERED it.

  5. lisab says:

    Obama’s buy $15 million dollar on coast of island

    and plan to host fund raising parties to fight climate change and rising sea levels …

    (seriously … it is right on the water)

  6. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Obama’s buy $15 million dollar on coast of island”

    dafuq? Lisa B sounding more and more like unreadable Tina. Probably the same Orange Worshipper.

    Good polls from the Sun Belt for the good guys.

    #RESIST

  7. lisab says:

    would you buy this house if you thought sea levels were rising?

    https://imagez.tmz.com/image/29/4by3/2019/08/21/29d731666b674f6a956eeb28531ec8b7_md.jpg

    for reference, during the blizzard of 1978 the tides ran 16 feet higher than normal

  8. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon.” – Pussy Grabber

    No doubt EVERYONE here creaming their shorts hoping their fantasy of living under a dictator is coming true.

    NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  9. NYCmike says:

    “(seriously … it is right on the water)”

    -Actually, they will have a nice buffer zone with the amount of acreage they have.

    I suggest they build low-income housing on that open land.

    Don’t you agree, P.O.?

  10. NYCmike says:

    “creaming their shorts”

    -Wes,

    P.O. borrowed your favorite phrase.

  11. Proud Obamacon says:

    NYC worried about quotes but is perfectly OK with his Orange Fantasy pretending to be a dictator trying to be like his here’s Putin and Kim. It’s truly sick. But it’s good to know yall don’t really care about Democracy so yall can just STFU when we take over in 2021.

    #RESIST!

  12. jason says:

    LOL

    A Marxist who is a Fidel Castro and Stalin sycophant like Proud ObamaCON is worried Trump wants to be a dictator.

    Don’t you love this place?

  13. lisab says:

    lisab: as you can see, you have great ocean views, 16 bedrooms and 21 baths, with a 10 bay car port … only $15 million dollars

    barack: isn’t it a little close to the water? you know, global warming?

    lisab: nah … you are a good 2 or 3 feet above sea level … on an issland … in the middle of the atlantic ocean … far from any help … what could possibly go wrong?

    (don’t let the fact that no other building has been built in this area since 1620 discourage you … i am sure they just did not see the great views)

  14. jason says:

    Tina to call this the Beshear Report in 3, 2, 1….

  15. jason says:

    lisa, Proud ObamaCON thinks Obama will let him have a bunk bed in the carriage house basement come the Revolution.

  16. jason says:

    Obama might be corrupt and dishonest, but he is not stupid.

    He doesn’t believe the Climate Change eco-terrorist Marxist hype either.

    But he probably told the property owner look, you better lower the price, this place will be under water in 5 years.

  17. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON calls Trump P.G. because he was recorded talking to another guy about chasing p-ssy.

    Bill Clinton, more than credibly accused of at least one rape and assaults on several women and who was having sex with an intern in the Oval Office, and was impeached and disbarred for lying under oath?

    No problem.

  18. NYCmike says:

    https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-52-illegal-alien-tax.html

    -This West Virginian has been writing common sense articles for a while now, and has been even more right-on since he predicted Trump would win the 2016 election.

  19. lisab says:

    A Marxist who is a Fidel Castro and Stalin sycophant like Proud ObamaCON is worried Trump wants to be a dictator.
    ———————

    sooooooooooooooooo … you say trump is a dictator, …

    but you want to take away guns from citizens?

    aren’t you the same people warning people about rising sea levels while buying up beach front property? on islands … in the middle of the atlantic ocean …

  20. lisab says:

    and just to be clear

    anyone who disagrees with me is automatically

    lgbt+ phobic and anti non-male

  21. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON thinks the Marxist intelligentsia values his undying brainwashed allegiance.

    To them he is just another apparatchik to be used and discarded like a used condom.

    Poor bastard doesn’t he actually gets more freebies being a blood sucking parasite now than he would be under the Marxists.

  22. jason says:

    Doesn’t realize he gets…

  23. Proud Obamacon says:

    “but you want to take away guns from citizens?”

    If you want to cite this, that would be great. Hint, I never said such a thing. But you are a liar along with pretty much everyone else on here.

    #RESIST

  24. Proud Obamacon says:

    Funny how Lisa B and jason get so triggered everytime I post. What snowflakes! They follow their hero, the biggest snowflake of all, the Orange Pussy Grabber!

    #not.my.president

  25. Proud Obamacon says:

    It’s funny how Lisa B plays this “role” of anything other than a right wing reTHUGlican. Every day with right wing talking points. At least Big Joe does a better job pretending to be a Democrat. Lisa B not even trying anymore.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  26. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    I guess that Wes and his new buddy, Robbie, missed today’s Rasmussen(less) Daily Tracking Poll. Good news for Trump outrages them, don’t you know!

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

  27. Wes says:

    I can’t remember the last time I saw a Ras tracking poll, Sheep, much less posted one. If the poll I posted earlier bothers you so much though I’d advise taking it up with Dave since headlined this thread with part of it.

    As for my supposedly hating good news for Trump maybe you should rewind a year when Robbie and I tussled because individual polls showed better news for Trump and Republicans than his cherished averages. In the end, the averages were right.

    By the way, if you feel I’m just posting Dem push polls—which by the way I even said shouldn’t be accepted at face value—nothing is stopping you from finding comparable Trump- and GOP-friendly polls to post.

  28. Bitterlaw says:

    Sheeple – Seriously? If Wes thinks it looks like Trump will lose is he supposed to lie? I have had many disagreements with Wes and he generally thinks that I am somewhere between a moron and a dope but he is always honest about his conclusions.

    Some posters are going to push every positive poll for Trump they can on us. Some posters are going to push every negative poll for Trump on us. People have posting polls here since I joined in 2004.

  29. jason says:

    Be careful, Sheep, Corey will be here saying you are advocating for Ginsburg’s death.

  30. jason says:

    Yeah, Sheep, I disagree with wes when he says it doesn’t matter who the Dems nominate, I think it does. But his rationale about Trump’s self inflicted wounds damaging his reelection prospects is hard to argue against.

    wes does not push anti-Trump polls here, or even for that matter anti-Trump links. Nor does he dispute pro-Trump polls, so comparing him to Amoral Scumbag is completely off the grid.

    This is a polling site, I think it is legitimate to post any published poll here. People can make up their own minds on whether they are believable, accurate, concocted, fake, or whatever.

  31. jason says:

    Funny how Lisa B and jason get so triggered everytime I post.”

    Zzzzz… don’t flatter yourself.

    I think you are a blood sucking parasite and brainwashed moron who never had an original thought in your life.

    Triggered? No. Apparatchiks like you are a dime a dozen.

  32. jason says:

    At least Big Joe does a better job pretending to be a Democrat.”

    Sorry Big Joe, since you are not an A-hole you don’t get any points.

    But you would be a candidate for Honorable Mention in the new category I will propose at the A-hole Board Meeting.

  33. jason says:

    Proud ObamaCON is upset Big Joe does not come here to regurgitate Dem talking points. Unforgivable.

  34. Big Joe says:

    “Sorry Big Joe, since you are not an A-hole you don’t get any points.”

    How do I become an A-hole? It would be an honor to be a member.

    Big Joe

  35. jason says:

    Hi Big Joe.

    A-holes are a very tight group, and in the past we haven’t been open to outsiders.

    But a couple years ago we did induct the first female A-hole so it wouldn’t be entirely inconceivable to consider a Democrat, especially one that supposedly is only pretending to be a Democrat.

    However, the initiation rituals are complex and taxing, just ask our second most junior member, Scooter.

  36. jason says:

    I am only responsible for our A-hole South American outreach and interrelationship program, Bitter is is in charge of rules and membership.

  37. lisab says:

    po

    i am not a democrat, nor have i ever claimed to be

    the closest would probably be libertarian these days

    classical liberal is more accurate

    the dems these days are running brown shirt thugs to stifle opposition

    congratulations

  38. Proud Obamacon says:

    Whatever you say LB, you are no different than any Orange Worshipper ,, congratulations.

    #RESIST!

  39. lisab says:

    i would vote for trump over warren

    but otherwise no

  40. Robbie says:

    I can only imagine the outrage from Jason fraud, Phil, NYCmoron, and the rest of the Trump defenders if Obama had tweeted that he “hereby ordered American companies” leave China.

  41. Proud Obamacon says:

    $75 Billion in retaliatory tariffs by China. Entirely predictable. Big tax hike on Americans. I never knew yall were for higher taxes! I guess since you already got exposed as being for higher spending, it makes sense. Yall are tax and spenders! How that taste? LOL

    #RESIST!

  42. Proud Obamacon says:

    So LB will vote for any Dem over Orange other than Warren. Really? LOL

  43. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I often do not agree with Wes, but I respect the depth of his knowledge and intelligence.

  44. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Please retire!”

    Sick post by Sheeple, as usual, hoping and praying for the demise of a SC justice. Truly a sick individual.

    #BLUE.WAVE.2020

  45. lisab says:

    no … but i would 100% vote against warren

    likely i will vote green

  46. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    More on Ginsburg’s health. It appears that her pancreatic cancer has returned, though localized.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/supreme-court-justice-ginsburg-has-treatment-for-cancerous-tumor

  47. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I hereby order ..” LOL, like seriously? The guy is not even pretending he cares about Democracy and yall complicit and supportive if you don’t condemn. Who gonna condemn? I’m taking names yall…

    #RESIST!

  48. Big Joe says:

    Proud O,
    My guess is that the President will try to invade and annex Greenland as a distraction. Not sure who’s leading up the military these days, but maybe they will obey orders, maybe not.

    Big Joe

  49. Proud Obamacon says:

    “likely i will vote green”

    Which Dem would you vote for then?

  50. Proud Obamacon says:

    “More on Ginsburg’s health. It appears that her pancreatic cancer has returned, though localized.”

    Sheeple can hardly contain his glee celebrating the return of Justice Ginsburg’s cancer. Absolutely sickening.

  51. Big Joe says:

    #38 – Dang, I think Jason’s giving me the runaround!

    Big Joe

  52. NYCmike says:

    At least three years ago, I believe it was Ann Coulter was the first one to say about Trump:

    “Liberals take him literally, but not seriously. I take him seriously, but not literally.”

    Something tells me that Robbie has some traits that would remind many of a liberal.

  53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “My guess is that the President will try to invade and annex Greenland as a distraction.”

    He will then invade Iceland and northern Norway, and annex them. That way he and Putin can be neighbors. Justin Trudeau wants Svalbard as part of the deal.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “#38 – Dang, I think Jason’s giving me the runaround!”

    -Or a rimjob.

  55. Big Joe says:

    “-Or a rimjob.”

    WTF?

  56. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    PO
    I wish Ginsberg a long and healthy life, but if she steps down, I hope the GOP confirms her replacement in the next lame duck session so your head explodes!

  57. Big Joe says:

    “He will then invade Iceland and northern Norway, and annex them. That way he and Putin can be neighbors. Justin Trudeau wants Svalbard as part of the deal.”

    Probably wise since the Big One will destroy the west coast, the Yellowstone super volcano will destroy the heartland, and sea level rise will take out the east coast and gulf coast. The President is thinking ahead. It actually would be nice to get away to Greenland, Iceland, etc now with all the 95+ degree days here in Georgia.

    Big Joe

  58. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Given the worsening crisis in Hong Kong, am sure Xi Jinping is not happy that Trump is going at him in his usual bonkers manner. Will be interesting to find out what is going on behind the scenes.

  59. NYCmike says:

    “WTF?”

    -That is A-Hole lingo.

  60. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sheeple, at best you want her health to decline enough to retire, and worst you want her to die. Just admit it you sick fukk.

    I want her to be healthy and retire in 2021 so a Dem president and a Dem senate can confirm a young progressive and watch your head explode, sport!

    #RESIST!

  61. Big Joe says:

    “-That is A-Hole lingo.”

    You should probably have included that in your initial post. You know, for those not familiar with the vernacular, could have possibly thought you meant something else. Just sayin’… 😀

    Big Joe

  62. lisab says:

    Which Dem would you vote for then?
    —————————————

    the two dems that have impressed me with their character are

    yang and gabbard

    the others i don’t know much about

    but warren is a 100% no

    i will crawl over broken glaas that is on fire to vote for trump over warren

    no fauxohauntus

  63. Phil says:

    If Ginsburg passes over the next few months look for the absolute ugliest confirmation hearings in history. You think Democrats were vicious during Kavanaugh. This one will be glorious. Popcorn.

  64. Proud Obamacon says:

    “but warren is a 100% no

    Why?

  65. lisab says:

    warren: so judge abc … when did you join the nazi party?

  66. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump uses twitter as an attack tool. He often deliberately goes off the wall; it is a tactic to throw his opponents off balance. Xi Jinping is a very methodical and orderly person; and he is facing a difficult crisis now in Hong Kong. Suddenly he has Trump going bonkers at him. Vintage Trump

  67. lisab says:

    if ginsberg dies or retires soon and trump replaces her

    trump probably wins easily in 2020

    there just is no way the dems will stop themselves from acting like children …

    and will damage their brand.

    if the dems can stall until after the election, then the dems have a very decent shot, and maybe an edge.

  68. lisab says:

    ““but warren is a 100% no … why?”

    fauxohauntus

    pretending to be a woman of colour is unacceptable

  69. Proud Obamacon says:

    “warren: so judge abc … when did you join the nazi party?”

    So that’s your answer. Pathetic. Just go going the ReTHUGlican party and give up this charade. You’ll be much happier.

  70. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    People are now apologizing for all the evil things their ancestors did. Isn’t it time nature got an apology. Think of what the earth was like before humans ruined it:

    “The world would be such a wonderful place without human beings. Just animals breathing clean air & eating each other.”

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    Big Joe- Being an A-hole is a dirty business. While we never admitted a Demorat as a member, MD never resigned so we technically have one now.

    I make no promise of membership but here is a question. Why should you be an A-hole?

  72. lisab says:

    no, my answer was #71

    #68 is how i think the hearings will go if ginsberg dies and trump tries to replace her

  73. Robbie says:

    Big moment for NYCmoron and chicon. More patriotic tariffs from the buffoon in chief.

    The idiotic is single handedly dragging the economy into a recession and you Trump sycophants just laugh and giggle about it.

  74. Proud Obamacon says:

    So LB is outraged at Warren’s native american gaffe but is perfectly on with the White Nationalism of her Orange Hero. Got it!!!

  75. Paul says:

    lisab doesn’t like Native Americans.

  76. Phil says:

    Native American “gaffe”

    Gaffe??

    Suddenly a deliberate out and out intentional lie is now a “gaffe”

    Man, that’s rich. LOL

  77. lisab says:

    So LB is outraged at Warren’s native american gaffe
    ————————-

    pretending you are a minority to get ahead of minorities is not a gaffe

  78. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 23, 2019 at 4:30 pm
    At least three years ago, I believe it was Ann Coulter was the first one to say about Trump:
    “Liberals take him literally, but not seriously. I take him seriously, but not literally.”
    Something tells me that Robbie has some traits that would remind many of a liberal.

    – Something tells me you have the traits of a simpleton.

    If Obama tweeted that he ordered American companies to leave China, you would have lost your mind.

    But Trump could fart the alphabet while running down the street naked and you’d applaud him because you’re a fraud with no principles. That’s why you support Trump unreservedly.

  79. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 23, 2019 at 4:38 pm
    Given the worsening crisis in Hong Kong, am sure Xi Jinping is not happy that Trump is going at him in his usual bonkers manner. Will be interesting to find out what is going on behind the scene

    – Yeah. I’m sure Xi, who is leader for life in China, is really concerned what a buffoon melting down in America has to say.

    Xi is an authoritarian who faces no internal opposition. China operates on 5, 10, and 25 year plans. They don’t give a crap about Hong Kong or our mentally ill president.

    Trump will be gone in 14 months and they know that.

  80. lisab says:

    if rbg dies soon

    tyt will go to war

  81. Robbie says:

    Alan Rappeport
    @arappeport

    The National Retail Federation slams Trump’s latest round of tariffs: “It’s impossible for businesses to plan for the future in this type of environment. The administration’s approach clearly isn’t working, and the answer isn’t more taxes on American businesses and consumers.”

    – Cleary, the National Retail Federation isn’t patriotic and doesn’t understand that trade wars are good and easy to win.

    It’s time to send them to the Patriotic Donald Trump Reeducation Camp.

  82. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump will be gone in 14 months and they know that.”

    Just like you knew that Trump would not be elected in 2016.

  83. Bitterlaw says:

    I may not applaud Robbie’s odd scenario in 81 but it would be an impressive feat.

  84. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #63- PO
    I am moved by your sympathy for SCOTUS Judge RB Ginsburg.
    Also, I am certain that you, like the rest of your ilk, celebrated this morning at the news that a Koch Brother died.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/on-twitter-some-liberals-are-celebrating-the-death-of-david-koch/

  85. NYCmike says:

    “If Obama tweeted that he ordered American companies to leave China, you would have lost your mind.”

    -There is precedent, my delusional friend, if I was to have that sort of reaction.

    Obama LOVED to use the power of the state to order American businesses around…..have you ever heard of Obamacare?

    It was a small little government bill that Obama signed, thereby giving the federal government power over 15% of the American economy.

  86. lisab says:

    Comedian Bill Maher: Democrats are coming across as people who are going to take away all your money so migrants from Honduras can go to college for free and get a major in America sucks.

  87. NYCmike says:

    “But Trump could fart the alphabet while running down the street naked and you’d applaud him……”

    -YES, YES I WOULD!

  88. NYCmike says:

    I would then try to fart the alphabet while running down the street naked, and I would do it BACKWARDS!

  89. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 23, 2019 at 6:39 pm
    “Trump will be gone in 14 months and they know that.”
    Just like you knew that Trump would not be elected in 2016.

    – Is that the best you’ve got these days? Sad. At least I didn’t spend all of 2018 claiming Rasmussen was a credible poll or the last week or two claiming Peter Navarro was a respected economist.

    You’ve got a choice to make. Support Trump and lose in 2020, or realize Trump’s a lead weight who needs to be replaced in order to win in 2020.

    It’s really that simple, but most of you just want to revel in his Twitter fights and laugh and giggle about how awesome his erratic behavior his.

  90. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 23, 2019 at 7:12 pm
    “If Obama tweeted that he ordered American companies to leave China, you would have lost your mind.”
    -There is precedent, my delusional friend, if I was to have that sort of reaction.
    Obama LOVED to use the power of the state to order American businesses around…..have you ever heard of Obamacare?
    It was a small little government bill that Obama signed, thereby giving the federal government power over 15% of the American economy.

    – Then where’s your unhinged reaction to Trump’s tweet, you phony?

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you found a way to excuse Trump’s order by crying “but muh Obama!”.

  91. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 23, 2019 at 7:13 pm
    “But Trump could fart the alphabet while running down the street naked and you’d applaud him……”
    -YES, YES I WOULD!

    – You spent the last decade singing the praises of Tea Party conservatism, balanced budgets, and the like. Then along comes a charlatan conman who blows out the deficit and you do nothing but excuse him every step of the way.

    All it took for you to trade in your supposed principles was a stupid red hat. Sad.

  92. lisab says:

    rip rbg

  93. Paul says:

    rip lisab

  94. NYCmike says:

    “– Then where’s your unhinged reaction to Trump’s tweet, you phony?”

    -Heh……is it possible Robbie REALLY doesn’t see the difference in how Obama and Trump have governed, and the policies they pursue?

  95. lisab says:

    nah … he is just nostalgic

  96. lisab says:

    After Life of Incalculable Harm, Billionaire Climate Denialist and Right-Wing Villain David Koch Dead at 79

    (actual headline)

  97. lisab says:

    Amid an ongoing heat wave, new data show the Greenland ice sheet is in the middle of its biggest melt season in recorded history. It’s the latest worrying signal climate change is accelerating far beyond the worst fears of even climate scientists.
    ————–

    this is why it is time to buy

  98. lisab says:

    Carli Lloyd said she’s received ‘inquiries’ from teams after nailing 55-yard field goal at Eagles practice

    then she had to dance the cat daddy

  99. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Also, I am certain that you, like the rest of your ilk, celebrated this morning at the news that a Koch Brother died.”

    Not quite. The Koch brothers have been irrelevant. You again, are a sick fukk. Prayers to his family. If he had a wife, children, grandchildren, they deserve prayers. You on the other hand can’t wait for RBG to die, you are ready to celebrate. You are SICK.

  100. Wes says:

    The Brothers Koch certainly weren’t irrelevant when they financed the defeat of multiple Dem Senators in 2014, PO.

  101. Proud Obamacon says:

    2014 was five years ago. Ancient history. Irrelevant or not, the point is that Sheep is a sick fukk celebrating RBG’s cancer returning while accusing me of celebrating Koch’s passing when I did no such thing. Sheep is a Sick lying FUKK. He’s probably praying right now , praying for someone else’s death. Sickening.

  102. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The global warming crusaders seem to focus on below 10-feet as the danger zone for rising seas:

    “More than half of the area of 40 large cities (population over 50,000) is less than 10 feet above the high tide line, from Virginia Beach and Miami (the largest affected), down to Hoboken, N.J. (smallest). Twenty-seven of the cities are in Florida, where one-third of all current housing sits below the critical line — including 85 percent in Miami-Dade and Broward counties. Each of these counties is more threatened than any whole state outside of Florida – and each sits on bedrock filled with holes, rendering defense by seawalls or levees almost impossible.”

    Both Obama and Al Gore have bought homes along the ocean that are threatened if the oceans rise 10 feet. Why are they doing it. I agree with what this blogger said:

    “I live near the shore and moor my boat in a well-known antique, historic harbor. I have lived here all my life. At no time have the ordinary borders of this harbor changed, nor the water risen beyond historic levels, except in times like Hurricane Sandy when wind, tidal currents, and surge coincided to raise the levels beyond those of a normal high tide. There are some houses 200 years old sitting on the banks of this harbor. In the same place. 25 miles down the line, they’re building hi-rise condos as fast as they can right down to the water’s edge. When I see THAT deemed inadvisable (multi-million dollar investments), then I MIGHT start to believe in “sea level rise.” But I’m one of those oddballs who accepts personal observation of the obvious over the hair-splitting pontifications of “experts.’ ”

  103. NYCmike says:

    “2014 was five years ago.”

    -Wow, that long ago!?!

  104. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Michael Shellenberger had a good explanation why people like Gore and Di Caprio, and the Googles of the world, are such climate hypocrites:

    “The Real Reason They Behave Hypocritically On Climate Change Is Because They Want To”

    “A simpler explanation for the hypocrisy of celebrities who moralize about climate change is that it is a way of flaunting their special status. Hypocrisy is the ultimate power move. It is a way of demonstrating that one plays by a different set of rules from the ones adhered to by common people. Hypocrisy demonstrates how unaccountable one is to conventional morality.”

  105. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Great quote from that blogger!

    I have tried, mostly in vain, to get some of my more liberal friends to actively search out blogs, as I have found that you are able to find much more substantive discussions on just about any given topic compared to what is found on the network, and cable, stations.

  106. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rbg-scare-david-axelrod-warns-supreme-court-vacancy-fight-could-tear-this-country-apart

    -Axelrod setting the battlefield?

    Actually, David….May I call you David?…….Thanks to Harry Reid, the Senate could just have an up or down vote now, no need for tearing the country apart……that is what elections are for.

  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Our trolls are doing the best they can, especially given they are just recovering from post-Mueller depression syndrome. For years they were predicting Mueller would get Trump and drive him from office. To finally watch the special prosecutor testify in Congress, and come across like someone who should have been checked into Shady Acres several years ago, was a shocking disappointment.

    Then the debacle of the first Democratic debate, which went so far to the left it scared even Democratic voters. But whenever Trump is doing well, he never fails to shoot himself in the foot — so he starts babbling about taking over Greenland, and gets miffed when Denmark says no. Then he gets unhinged about China, and starts advocating all U.S. firms move their manufacturing to the U.S. Ivanka and Jared need to give him a sedative.

    What has brought politics down to this crazy, low level, where both sides come off as in perpetual state of going bananas? It is social media? Or is there some other cause; politicians who don’t play crazy and try advocate for calm middle positions quickly find themselves rejected by the voters, and pushed out of the circus.

  108. lisab says:

    trump is probably trying to make the markets unsettled

    no company from the usa is going to invest in china right now without big concessions, many are moving out of china at least partially. when risk goes up, npv goes down, so companies cannot justify the investment

    china is bleeding money. they have a trillion+ to fight with, but it is not an endless supply.

    if hong kong banks fall, china is on the hook for up to $300 billion, which is mostly chinese money, they can’t let those banks collapse.

    so trump is being a bully to them. it is similar to if you have AA and your opponent has a 3 flush so you raise to punish them.

  109. lisab says:

    but the part we don’t know is

    a.) is this an actual plan by trump and his advisors, because it is a clever way to hurt the chinese — they really don’t want to tianamen square hong kong right now they would lose their shirt?

    or

    b.) is he just being his bully self, and by random luck it is actually helping hong kong

    and

    c.) if the chinese economy does go south because of these tactics, and i mean economic collapse not just painful like it is now …

    does that really help the usa? or the world? or might that cause china to use their military to do something really bad like take over taiwan just to keep the communists in power?

    c.)

  110. lisab says:

    What would have happened if Obama had been assassinated?

  111. jason says:

    Ginsburg should resign. Pancreatic cancer is a terrible disease, the treatment is very debilitating, and nobody can go through that and fulfill the duties of a SCOTUS justice at the same time, whether you are 46 or 86.

  112. jason says:

    Funny Amoral Scumbag was never outraged when Obama trampled all over the private sector AND the Constitution.

  113. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #105- PO
    Is Bill Maher a “sick fukk”? This is over the top, do you agree?

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3774071/posts

    Is jason a “sick fukk” because of his comment in #115?

    PO– Your despeartion and derangement is palpable.Please continue your thumb-sucking!

  114. Wes says:

    Bill Maher is a disgusting loon. Of course Ann Coulter—herself a wacko from the other side of the political spectrum—has slept with him.

    Stay classy, people.

  115. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes, how could this be? Trump is to blame that it is not R+20!

    Glenn Reynolds reported, “Gallup: More people identify as Republicans, and fewer identify as Democrats, today than when Trump was elected.”

    Republicans +2.

    On Election Day 2016, they were down 3, a 5-point swing.

    They were also down 3 on Election Day 2018 when they had a net gain of 2 Senate seats but lost the House.

    They were even on Election Day 2014 when they took the Senate and kept the House.

    They were down 5 on Election Day 2012 when America re-elected Obama the Awful.

    We will see where Republicans are on Election Day 2020, won’t we?

  116. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is a great comment on the Don Surber website:

    Re: “McCabe being hired by CNN. Husband and I just rolled our eyes at this. That is, until we were hit by the same simultaneous thought: how sweet it would be if McCabe were arrested on air and perp-walked out of the CNN studios.

    I think the theater of it would please both Trump and Barr.”

  117. Wes says:

    Ginsburg will never retire while Trump is President.

    That’s an unfortunate result of the absolute politicization of the judiciary.

    Going back over the past 40+ years, we’ve seen Justices increasingly time their retirements to coincide with the Administrations of Presidents they agreed with.

    It used to not be this way.

    Abe Fortas had to leave the Supreme Court involuntarily while Nixon was in office. Meanwhile, William O. Douglas and Thurgood Marshall realized their health compromised their ability to remain on the Court and retired while Republicans occupied the White House.

    Kudos to them.

    Although appointed by Republicans, Harry Blackmun, David Souter, and John Paul Stevens drifted left over time and decided to retire when Democrats served as President. Now Ginsburg, facing a recurrence of debilitating cancer in her late 80s, is fighting to hang onto her seat despite having her work compromised by her condition. The Left may cheer her fortitude—as indeed the Right would cheer of Clarence Thomas had done the same when Obama was President—but the fact remains that the Court suffers because these Justices hang on for partisan political reasons rather than departing willingly once their health is compromised.

    This is unfortunate byproduct of the power of unelected judges who can essentially reshape the country on a whim. I don’t think we can ever go back to a situation where Justices and judges feel the freedom to put the country above their ideology because they all want desperately to ensure an ideologically opposed President can not put in place someone who will vote differently from them.

  118. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    It appears that thru yesterday approximately 6500 early ballots have been cast in Mechlenburg County for the NC CD-9 race. All but 360 votes were from one-stop. 2/3 of these votes were cast at the libraries at Morrison, Matthews and South Park. Are these GOP-friendly areas? I could not find the Party breakdown. Where does Bishop(R) reside?
    What is the talk on the street?

  119. Wes says:

    Cute, Sheep.

    I have never put much stock in polls saying X number of Americans identify as one party or the other. If Americans were flocking to the GOP banner under Trump then the President wouldn’t forever be mired in at best middling approval ratings.

    Gallup has always been good for presidential approval tracking, but realistically who identifies as what has never been a good gauge of the state of the electorate. We have actual empirical data of elections and registration for that. None of those look good for Trump right now—for the simple fact that he still acts like Donald Trump, Reality Star, rather than Donald Trump, President.

    If Trump ever starts to enjoy higher approval ratings such as Reagan, Clinton, and Obama enjoyed heading into their election years then I’ll believe Trump is attracting people to his and the GOP’s side.

    Till then, I’m not going to in the kind of far fetched inside baseball analysis I see promulgated on here.

    I’ve already said I’m voting for Trump next year, so obviously I’m not cheering for his loss. I just call things as I see them. They don’t look too good and haven’t for quite awhile now.

  120. Wes says:

    Bishop is from south Mecklenburg. At first glance those numbers look good for him.

    The CW I’m seeing is that Bishop is a favorite to win by a few points. I’m handicapping it at roughly a 52-47 victory. McCready hasn’t been able to gain much traction since Harris bowed out, and Bishop has run a good campaign by placating conservatives and less ideological Republicans.

    McCready will benefit from his fairly impressive bio, but NC-9 is still a GOP district that narrowly stuck with the party despite last year’s wave. Pelosi hasn’t exactly endeared voters here to the idea that a Democrat post Mike McIntyre should represent this district; however, as noted McCready has enough crossover appeal to remain reasonably competitive.

    It won’t be enough, and I expect Bishop to get the check mark about 9:30-10 on Election Night.

  121. Wes says:

    For the record, both Tink and I are voting for Bishop. We diverge on Trump. She’s going to avidly vote against him regardless of whom the Dems put up (though she’s promised to vote GOP for all other offices) while I’m voting for him.

  122. jason says:

    I hope Ginsburg resigns to spend the rest of her days with her family.

    Then Trump should appoint a woman, preferably a minority, to the vacancy. But it would have to be someone that never jay walked, spit on the sidewalk, or stole a candy bar from a store when she was 7. Because there will be people saying “she stabbed me with a pencil in 2nd grade, and I am traumatized for life”.

    The meltdown by the MSM would be epic.

  123. jason says:

    I kind of agree with wes on the party ID thing. The election is not decided by registered Rs or Ds anyway.

    Indies vary a lot from state to state. In CA most of the Indies are actually Dems. In red states often the Indies tend to vote R.

  124. jason says:

    is it possible Robbie REALLY doesn’t see the difference in how Obama and Trump have governed, and the policies they pursue?”

    No.

    But it was never about Trump.

  125. jason says:

    “If Obama tweeted that he ordered American companies to leave China, you would have lost your mind.”

    I would have said Obama is a moron on trade, just like Trump.

    Trump is still a much better President than Obama, however.

    Both can be true.

    GFY.

  126. jason says:

    Support for impeachment down to 35%.

    Too bad.

    Also to bad Pelosi is smarter than Nadler.

    Sighh…..

  127. jason says:

    to bad? Geezus.

  128. jason says:

    Hallelujah.

    “HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal appeals court reversed a lower court decision and ruled Friday that the Pennsylvania House of Representatives’ policy of barring atheists from delivering invocations does not violate the U.S. Constitution.

    Friday’s decision by the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upholds the Pennsylvania House’s policy of limiting prayers at the start of legislative sessions to guest chaplains who believe in God or a divine or higher power.

    It reverses last year’s decision by a district judge, who sided with the atheists, agnostics, freethinkers and humanists who sued. The judge ruled that the restrictions violated constitutional prohibitions on making laws that establish a religion.”

  129. Phil says:

    Cancer touches all of us. We have all seen the ravages of that disease on friends and family members. Pancreatic is the absolute worst. It is indeed a shame that Justice Ginsberg can’t simply retire and spend her last days with her family. Such is the state of politics in America today.

    Once Trump appoints a successor the left will go absolutely nuts. The fact that they are already bat sh*t crazy to begin with just gives us a window into what we are in for. We all think Democrats on the Judiciary Committee were animals during the Kavanaugh hearings? We ain’t seen nothing yet. It will be ugly ugly ugly. I wouldn’t want to be the nominee or his or her family.

  130. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Frank Luntz to Proud ObamaCon:

    “Justice Ginsburg was successfully treated for a pancreatic cancer tumor at the @Sloan_Kettering Cancer Center in NYC.

    Sloan Kettering has a 23-story treatment facility named after David Koch, who donated $150 million in 2015 and battled prostate cancer throughout his own life.”

  131. John says:

    Question.
    How does Trump go from a -4 (strong approval index with Rasmussen poll) on August 6th to a -13 on August 14th then back to a -4 yesterday?
    Or from a 44%-54% approval four days ago to a 50%-48% approval yesterday?

  132. lisab says:

    NASA investigates the first allegation of criminal activity in SPACE: Astronaut is accused of accessing her wife’s bank account from the International Space Station during their messy divorce

    Astronaut Anne McClain was accused of accessing her estranged wife Summer Worden’s bank account while she was in space

    Worden filed an identity theft complaint with the FTC against McClain

    Her parents also filed a complaint with NASA’s Inspector General

    McClain said that she was just checking up on Worden’s finances

    Worden’s parents claim that McClain’s actions were part of a custody battle over her son, who she gave birth to a year before the couple were married
    —————————

    b!tch tried to access my bank account!

    astronauts be cray cray

  133. Wes says:

    Answer, John:

    Rasmussen is erratic. Polls by that firm often fluctuate wildly between results for little or no apparent reason.

  134. lisab says:

    also rasmussen gives respondents four possible answers, not just approve or disapprove

    roughly 40% always say they strongly disapprove and about 35% always say they strongly approve

    the rest drift between somewhat disapprove and somewhat approve depending on twitter that day

    causing swings

  135. lisab says:

    please adjust your dictionaries accordingly

    felon = “justice involved person”

    juvenile delinquent = “Young person impacted by the judicial system”

    convict = “person under supervision”

    illegal immigrant = “returning resident”

  136. lisab says:

    so who smokes more weed

    proud obamaconn

    or

    the former ceo of overstock?

  137. lisab says:

    Ocasio-Cortez Proposes Counting White People’s Ballots As Three-Fifths Of A Vote

  138. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren Surprises Incoming Freshmen By Announcing She Will Sharply Increase Their Taxes To Pay For Their Student Loans

  139. lisab says:

    Dem Candidates Promise Relief To Americans Sick And Tired Of Working All These Plentiful Jobs

  140. lisab says:

    Bernie Sanders Advocates For Separate Socialisms For Poor People And Rich People

  141. dblaikie says:

    Wes the truth is that Rasmussen is no better or no worse than any of these polls. Truthfully I cannot dismiss the fact that media and news organizations, with the possible exception of Fox, hate Trump. I am cynical about them, because I cannot tell if they are trying to give an accurate picture of the electorate or driving a narrative.

    I believe that the elephant in the closet is a question that none of these pollsters have asked yet. Chances are they are afraid of the answer. Here is the question: Even though you don’t approve of the President, will you still consider voting for him in light of the candidates in the Democratic Party? If they asked that question I bet there would be at least 10% who would say yes.

    I know that there are alot of people out there who are in that position. Heck, in 2016 I was in that position. I thought Trump was going to win, but that didn’t mean I was a fan. To this day he still infuriates me with some of his tweets and statements. But I couldn’t vote of for Hillary!! So I held my noise and voted for Trump.

    In 2020 I won’t hold my noise. In the big areas I have been happy with his policies. For me he is the best choice for 2020 among those running. But I know that in tons of places there are tons of people who don’t like Trump, don’t approve of him as a person, but who will vote for him. Those who don’t know that are in denial.

  142. Wes says:

    Actually, DB, pollsters often ask if voters are planning to vote to re-elect Trump. Usually about 54% say no. That’s not good for an incumbent no matter how you want to spin it.

    The simple fact is that Trump is in the worst position for reelection of any President since GHWB. Reagan, Clinton, and Obama were on the upswing at this point I’m their first terms while GWB was actually doing better at this point than he would the following year when Iraq and his own poor debate performances made the election closer than it appeared at this point in 2003.

    I know the prevailing wisdom among Trump supporters is that Americans en masse will vote to re-elect him despite not liking him, but there’s no evidence besides personal desire to support this. At the same time, it would be absolutely unprecedented as no President in history has ever been unpopular and still won.

    Trump’s current strategy of offering a choice rather than a referendum also recalls Jimmy Carter’s tactics against Ronald Reagan when Carter tried to say Reagan was an extremist who would start World War III. It didn’t work, and Reagan crushed Carter.

    The Dems challenging him are definitely radicals reflecting their party; however, if Americans are dead set on change that won’t matter. In 2008, Republicans exploited Obama’s radicalism and thin resume at every turn. It didn’t matter because the sitting President was grossly unpopular. Obama of course won.

    I expect a similar result next year because Trump just can’t stop being Trump. Sometimes a candidate fatally compromises his own reelection bid by failing to reinvent himself. This is one of those times. I wish it were otherwise, but I have to be honest. Trump’s reelection is just not going to happen.

  143. Wes says:

    Before I came over here I dropped by RRH. Every cycle when our Senators are up, the RRH “Republicans” have some kind of collective wet dream about how Dems are going to win the Senate seats here. It never happens, yet that gaggle of bedwetters never stops posting THE END IS NEAR about our Senate races. One would think they’d eventually get the hint and realize NC is a largely GOP state not amenable to sending Dems to the Senate outside extraordinary circumstances (eg, Obama’s assiduous courting of the voters here in 2008, which helped Kay Hagen defeat Liddy Dole).

  144. DW says:

    Latest update on the 27 communists whose goal is to take away your remaining freedoms:

    1 – Biden: 28.8
    2 – Sanders: 16
    3 – Warren: 15.4
    4 – Harris: 7.4
    5 – Buttigieg: 5
    6 – O’Rourke : 3
    7 – Booker: 2.2
    8 – Yang: 1.8
    9 – Castro: 1.4
    10 – Gabbard: 1.4
    11 – Klobuchar : 1.2
    12 – Delaney: 0.6
    13 – Ryan: 0.6
    14 – Gillibrand: 0.6
    15 – Williamson: 0.8
    16 – de Blasio : 0.4
    17 – Bullock: 0.8
    18 – Bennet: 0
    19 – Sestak: 0.3
    20 – Messam : 0
    21 – Steyer: 0.8
    22 – Hickenlooper: Dropped out
    23 – Inslee: Dropped out
    24 – Moulton: Dropped out
    25 – Gravel: Dropped out
    26 – Swalwell: Dropped out
    27 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  145. DW says:

    whoops…I forgot to re-sort that list…but it doesn’t matter really, all those under 2% are pointless anyway. They are just running so they can drop out and endorse the winner and thereby get a cabinet post should the Dem win the general.

  146. Wes says:

    Heh. A liberal on RRH actually had the gall to claim Mitch McConnell “stole” Antonin Scalia’s old Supreme Court Seay from Merrick Garland.

    To wit, McConnell only applied the standard both Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer had previously advocated in 1991 and 2007 respectively that a lame duck President should not appoint a Supreme Court Justice, but rather that the President elected the following November should do so.

    Elections have consequences, and Republicans had won the Senate in 2014, meaning they controlled the confirmation process. During the GWB years, Dems had denied confirmation votes to multiple judicial nominees and ruthlessly filibustered others when Republicans recaptured the Senate in 2002. Dems just didn’t like having their own tactics turned against them. When they tried to restart the filibuster nonsense during the Gorsuch confirmation, McConnell took a page out of Harry Reid’s playbook—in a move hilariously derided by liberal columnists as a violation of democracy—and shut them down.

    Hardball is the name of the game on these judicial picks, and McConnell has played it every bit as well as the Dems. They just don’t like it because their ox is being gored.

  147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Excellent article from American Interest on the “tariff war” between the U.S. can China:

    “To talk of a trade war between the United States and China is to misunderstand the magnitude of what the world economic order is confronting. Think of it as Brexit on a global scale. Just as Britain is struggling to separate itself from the European Union, America and China are struggling to separate their huge economies from one another. Not only are the economies involved in this latter separation much larger and much more consequential for innocent bystanders, there is also the added feature of a geopolitical rivalry between a dominant and a rising power, the sort of rivalry that Harvard’s Graham Allison argues has often resulted in military conflict. So replace “trade war,” which is only one aspect of the current conflict, with “decoupling.” America has decided to end its reliance on China as a pool of cheap labor and goods, which has brought with it the decimation of many of its industries and communities and the filching of its intellectual property. China, in its turn, wants to end its dependence for economic growth on the vast American market, a vulnerability Trump or a successor can exploit to prevent China from realizing its goal of displacing the United States as the dominant economic and military world power.”

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2019/08/13/dont-call-it-a-trade-war/

  148. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    151. Another quote from the article:

    “Tariffs are only one weapon in this battle, and a tariff war is one America cannot lose unless it lacks the political will to bear the costs that every victor in every war must tolerate. After all, China needs the massive U.S. market more than the United States needs China’s much smaller one. Another weapon is placing limits on purchases of the adversary’s products. Trump is limiting government purchases of Huawei products, partly for reasons of national security, partly as a bargaining chip in the tariff battle.
    China has banned all purchases of American agricultural products, most notably pork and soybeans. The aim is to inflict so much pain on farmers, an important component of the Trump core, that they will abandon the President next year and elect someone who will be willing to strike a deal that allows China to continue the unfair trading practices that our elites found acceptable for so many decades.”

  149. dblaikie says:

    Well Wes, as always, your argument is a cogent one. However I just don’t agree as of now. Frankly, Trumps popularity or unpopularity aside, I simply don’t believe that the voters want or would support the agenda that is emerging on the Democratic side. If they are, our country is in for some terrible times. The black-balling and degrading of people who call themselves conservative is already sickening. If you don’t tow their line you are nothing but a deplorable racist. If they come to power — well I can’t even bear the thought. It will be Kavanaugh times ten.

    So I hope and believe you are wrong. Nothing personal towards you. I am comforted in that I heard the same stuff in 2016 about Trump having no chance. And I disagree with you and I believe there are many who don’t like Trump but will vote for him. So I am still confident that I will be sipping my Highland Park instead of you enjoying your wine a year from November.

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    I spent the day with my wife in Ocean City, NJ. I bought a sweat shirt.

    I do not feel guilty about it.

  151. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Judge Jeanine does a great job of describing the nightmare that is San Francisco’s homeless problem. In my San Diego neighborhood, at night in a nearby park it sounds like a scene from the movie “The Howling.”

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6076715874001/#sp=show-clips

  152. lisab says:

    Lawyer Andy ?

    The fact that Gender Studies graduates cannot land a decent job after college is a testimony to how much of a failure of a system that capitalism is.

  153. Wes says:

    I admire your optimism, dB, but I see little reason for it. When Trump loses next year I won’t say “I told you so” to you, but I reserve the right to point out all his self-inflicted wounds brought on by his hubris that will lead to what I perceive as the inevitable result.

    The fatal flaw in your argument as I see it is that you assume all voters are as tuned in to what the Dems are doing and as averse to it as we are. They are not, or the midterms wouldn’t have resulted in the biggest first-midterm loss for the GOP since the Harding Administration was plagued with the Teapot Dome scandal in 1922.

    Voters by and large are not inherently rational and discerning but rather emotional. They don’t like Trump, and that’s been reflected in both polling and election results since he took office. While some may vote for Trump despite not liking him, elections invariably reflect the incumbent’s standing with the voters. Many more may not like the Dems but will vote for them because they don’t like Trump and will regard dire warnings of what the Dems plan to do as esoteric noise taking a back seat to their loathing for the Donald.

    We saw this played out in 2008. Though GWB wasn’t on the ballot, voters didn’t care if Obama were some kind of would-be socialist dictator of a banana republic writ large. They wanted the GOP gone from power and voted accordingly.

    We’ll see the same thing next year when Trump becomes the first President since 1992 to lose reelection. It never had to be this way, but here we are because Trump has continued to be a grating carnival barker showman in office rather than a respected politician able to persuade voters to his cause.

    I don’t like it any more than you. I can do nothing about it though. Trump is Trump, and that’s not how Americans view their Presidents unless the opposition is a lazy, entitled elitist who assumes victory early and lets victory slip away.

    Unfortunately for Trump, Dems are fully aware of what Hillary did wrong and aren’t going to repeat her mistakes. Their hefty GOTV organization the last two years should be ample proof of that.

  154. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    157. “Dems are fully aware of what Hillary did wrong and aren’t going to repeat her mistakes.”

    The Democrats are in the middle of a civil war, and are bouncing off the wall. Many of the leading candidates are so far left, that there is a backlash taking place among voters. The one moderate is an elderly man who sometimes is unable to recall which state he is in. When Bill Maher expresses concern over how far left the current crop of candidates are, you know there is trouble.

    I am concerned about Trump’s antics like many on this board; but like many who did not vote for Trump in 2016, I may end up voting for him in 2020. It is going to be a choice of the lesser of two evils.

    At this point, I am not seeing any way to absolutely predict who will win in 2020. There are too many uncertainties.

  155. Wes says:

    There’s really only one variable you need to look at, SDC: Trump’s popularity.

    Gallup—the gold standard for presidential approval—has Trump currently at 41%. His average in Gallup is 40%.

    For comparison, in August 1995, Bill Clinton was at 46% with 49% as his average to that time.

    To be fair at this time in 2011, Obama was at 40% with average also of 49%.

    Their trend lines were mostly positive after that though.

    Trump has consistently been in the mid to low 40s in Gallup. He started low and stayed low whereas Clinton and Obama started high and fell back to Earth before recovering much of their lost popularity and winning re-election.

    The trend is not Trump’s friend as unlike his predecessors he has consistently been stuck in a narrow range bordering on or teetering into the electoral danger zone.

    Americans have three years of a consistently negative opinion of Trump that has fluctuated between a floor of the upper 30s and a ceiling of the mid 40s. To win, Trump has to change Americans’ opinions of him. Saying Democrats are socialists beholden to illegals will help him on the margins, but since he consistently gets in the way of his own good news with erratic solipsistic behavior he’s shown no ability to improve his standing and convince people he deserves reelection.

    Maybe someday soon Trump will have an epiphany and decide to present himself as a competent Chief Executive people have reasons to vote for. I wouldn’t count on that though. Thus, all these other factors won’t matter because the most important one—his approval rating—will torpedo his reelection unless it miraculously rises to at least neutral levels.

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    How bad is the homeless problem in California? This was posted on Nextdoor today–with pictures of the jerk and the poster’s broken car window:

    “His name is Ulysses. He’s a meth addict , decided to take a rock to our back car window. Cops came and said it’s a misdemeanor, even if we press vandalism charges. So they let him go. He’s back in the wild around Park and Upas. Frustrating does not even begin to describe it!”

    The police are not to blame — they are as frustrated as local residents. There was a drugged out homeless guy checking automobiles doors outside of were I live a couple weeks ago. I confronted him –and he moved to across the street, found an unlocked door and climbed in on the drivers seat. The police arrived. They arrested him, but an officer came over afterwards and said he would probably be out in six hours — he did not steal anything, and was so drugged out they could not charge him with any other infraction requiring intent.

  157. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    The Aussies(Sky News) are spot-on about so-called racism in the USA. This is a great 5 minute video editorial well worth the time. If you want to spend no more than a few minutes today on politics, this is it!

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6076795725001

  158. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and SoHope:
    Do you guys plan to attend this Trump rally for Bishop? Tink too?

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3774271/posts

  159. dblaikie says:

    Want to make just a couple of points with my ongoing and polite debate with Wes. First of all it is like comparing apples and oranges between 2008 and 2020 because the divide between GWB and Obama wasn’t nearly as wide as today. In other words Obama had a powerful gift of making his programs look logical and main stream (After all who can forget after the election was over, “if you like your doctor you can keep him or her.) In 2020 when people start paying attention and consider the ramifications of the Green New Deal and Medicare for all and if they have half a brain they will reject this nonsense. So I disagree with you about the “fatal flaw” in my argument.

    Second I hate to debate about polls, but I will start off by admitting that at least Gallup is not tied to a media organization that hates Trump. However if they are the “gold standard” than, as far as presidential approval goes, they are only the “gold standard” with adults! Sort of an important thing to leave out for us poll junkies.

    Finally I would like to point out once again, that in 2016 Trump won with 46% of the vote. Right now in the average at RCP he is at almost 44% — hardly a huge difference. Now I don’t agree with averaging but everyone else here likes it — so if you can’t beat them join them.

  160. jason says:

    DB and wes both make persuasive points. I agree with most of them on both sides.

    However I think DB is too quick to gloss over Trump’s negatives and his self inflicted wounds. And Trump won’t win with 46% this time around, let alone 44%. And I think his hope all polls are wrong and unreliable is naive at best.

    And I think wes makes a mistake in discounting who Trump’s opponent is going to be, because one of the “generic Dems’ is going to be nominated, and all the front runners have a lot of negatives and baggage too. Once it is one on one, Trump’s negatives will be compared to the opponent’s negatives, just like it was with Hillary. They cannot be considered in isolation.

  161. jason says:

    Unfortunately for Trump, Dems are fully aware of what Hillary did wrong and aren’t going to repeat her mistakes.”

    Facts not in evidence so far.

    The Dems are overreaching with far left rhetoric, and it will be used against them in the GE.

    Maybe they will have learned from Hillary’s mistakes, but I wouldn’t bet on it. The Dems are so far beholden to the moonbats and anyone who dares to go off the reservation is getting hammered.

  162. Wes says:

    Obama has no such concrete statements in 2008. He ran on a vague platform advocating “hope, change, and optimism. The “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor “ meme came about during the Obamacare debate. Everything about Obama was vague and ecumenical to avoid nitpicks and attacks. As far as the “Green New Deal,” that’s a proposal by a radical Congresswoman. No Dem running for President has embraced the idea—at least openly; thus we have a false comparison.

    Of course we can fast forward from 2008 to 2012 when Obama explicitly proposed near Scandinavian-level goodies from the government paid for by taxes increases on the rich. It’s rather hard to argue after that Americans think logically when casting their votes. I remember saying at the time taxes would go up on everyone to pay for Obama’s proposals. When Congress passed a tax hike in January 2013, it included taxes increases on everyone—not just the rich.

    My point is that voters are often not engaged or informed. They are emotional people with other things going on in their lives besides politics. Most people aren’t going to analyze in detail the dangers of radical proposals by the out-of-power party when they hate the sitting President. They’re just going to vote with their emotions.

    I see that in my own house. If I ever tried to get Tink to vote for Trump I’d be wasting my breath. She’s emotionally invested in his defeat and wouldn’t listen to any case for him. She’s not alone among people I know with these feelings. She’s also probably more informed than most voters because I often discuss politics with her frequently and constantly update her on the state of modern politics.

    We see this kind of thing throughout history. It is easier to appeal to people’s emotions than to their intellect. Because of that, it’s harder to get people to analyze and respect the dangers of proposals by people not in power when the person in power is the subject of visceral ire. That’s why I hoped Trump would grow in office and attract people to his side. He hasn’t done that, so here we are.

    You’re essentially declaring something that’s literally never happened in history as a fait accompli. On any level that makes no sense.

    As far as Gallup, regardless of the composition of their samples, they’ve been the go-to organization for tracking presidential approval ever since FDR was President. Their final polls before the election have always been reflective of a President’s ultimate fate for good or ill. Questioning their track record simply because they use adults in their samples sounds rather like the endless “The polls are wrong!” scenarios that plagued this site in 2008 and 2012.

    I know you don’t like what I’m saying , Db, and I wish I could give a more optimistic assessment of things. Unfortunately I can’t do that and be intellectually honest. I just have to call it as I see it.

  163. jason says:

    I see SDC has decided the article he posted, which is basically repeating old and hackneyed talking points about the benefit of trade wars and economic protectionism and isolationism as “excellent”.

    Zzzzzz…….

    The idea that trade between the world’s largest economies should be “decoupled” is asinine. There are no “alternatives” for the biggest consumer market in the world, or the largest potential market for US products and services in the world.
    Any “decoupling” will just mean less business, less trade, less profits, less jobs, less tax base, less wealth.

    “Excellent” in this case = really stupid.

  164. jason says:

    I see that in my own house. If I ever tried to get Tink to vote for Trump I’d be wasting my breath. She’s emotionally invested in his defeat and wouldn’t listen to any case for him. ”

    Yeah, the Tinks exist.

    But the jasons exist too. If someone told me in 2016 I would one day for Trump for President I would say they were stark raving mad. If someone told me my wife would one day vote for Trump, I would have bet my llamas it wouldn’t happen, yet she keeps repeating the “Dems have gone nuts, they are just completely crazy”, so I think she may well vote for him.

    I have been willing to evaluate Trump on what he actually accomplishes and how his policies compare to the opposition rather than what I thought in the 2016 primaries. For that some morons like Amoral Scumbag have called me a “Trumpist”, hilarious.

    I don’t know how many people who didn’t vote for him in 2016 will now vote for him. For sure there are examples here, just like some will continue not voting for him.

    In his favor, I have not met or heard of ONE person who voted for him in 2016 who will not vote for him now. Not one.

  165. Phil says:

    I don’t like what Wes is saying. I don’t like it one bit.

    Unfortunately, I think he’s right. I can’t argue with any of it. 1980 all over again. Painful, and the country is going to take it on the chin as a President Warren goes about her dream of remaking America. This is their chance. Nothing I can do about it. Trump could clean up his act…but he won’t. He is a prisoner of his own rally mentality.

    All I can do is vote against any radical socialist the other party throws out there, because I know what their policies will do to America. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough of us.

  166. dblaikie says:

    “I don’t know how many people who didn’t vote for him in 2016 will now vote for him. For sure there are examples here, just like some will continue not voting for him.

    In his favor, I have not met or heard of ONE person who voted for him in 2016 who will not vote for him now. Not one.”

    Jason, you nailed it.

  167. CG says:

    Haven’t head of one person who voted for Trump that will not vote for him in 2020?

    Well, Joe Walsh just announced his Republican Presidential campaign this morning.

    For some reason, it’s not letting me link to his website.

  168. lisab says:

    breaking: greenland fails inspection due to water damage. leaking glaciers spill water all over the place

    “i don’t know what these danes are playing at, but selling real estate with water damage is not the way to do business”, said trump

  169. lisab says:

    ?WASHINGTON – President Trump and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced Sunday that the two countries had agreed to the framework of a trade deal.

    “We’ve been working on a deal with Japan for a long time. And we’ve agreed in principle,” Trump said, adding that the deal would amount to “billions and billions of dollars.”

    Japan, Trump said, agreed to buy excess corn from American farmers. We need lots and lots of popcorn for Godzilla and Gamera movies, explained Abe.

  170. lisab says:

    Yes, there’s a socialism-themed Monopoly game.

    In Monopoly Socialism, an official version of the game manufactured by the toy company Hasbro, players move around the board contributing to community projects “unless they can steal projects to get ahead,” according to the product’s description.

    When players pass go, they get a $50 “living wage” as opposed to the usual $200, and the tokens are all dated artifacts like a typewriter, a phonograph, a pocket watch, an old-fashioned telephone and an old-style TV set.

  171. lisab says:

    warren had a rally yesterday, i hate to say it, but it was packed, not like a trump rally of course, but it did have a few thousand, and it was upbeat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEnYkp0bCIg

  172. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wormtongue and CG are very sad:
    (H/T: RRH)

    Approval/Disapproval Rating in 44 Key Swing Districts:

    Trump 48/50
    Warren 40/49
    Dem Party 38/53
    Biden 35/53
    AOC 36/54
    Schumer 30/50
    Sanders 35/58
    Harris 33/57
    GOP 28/59
    McConnell 24/57
    Pelosi 26/62

    @Civiqs @DataProgress 7/27 – 8/9
    http://filesforprogress.org/memos/civiqs-dfp-battleground_favs_2019-08.pdf

    Wes missed this one!

  173. jason says:

    Duke psychiatrist: Trump ‘may be responsible for many more million deaths’ than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.”

    This guy will quickly become Amoral Scumbag’s new hero.

  174. Wes says:

    Forgive me for not having visited RRH today, Sheep.

    That psychiatrist needs to be the one psychoanalyzed, Jason.

  175. jason says:

    I don’t even know WTF Joe Walsh is, but in any case I meant that I don’t know anybody who voted for Trump that won’t vote for him again, or been told about anybody like that.

    I am sure the MSM will have plenty of “interviews” with people who will claim they were terribly wronged by Trump and will not vote for him again.

  176. jason says:

    So the candidate the Never Trumpers are going with is someone named Joe Walsh? Really?

    This is their candidate to defeat the socialists?

    Dang, I thought they were going to recruit Nikki Haley or the latest MSM sycophant scumbag, Mitt Romney.

    What happened?

  177. John says:

    Elizabeth Warren held an outdoor rally today (Sunday) at the Seattle Center…a couple of thousands showed up according to reports.

    https://komonews.com/news/local/thousands-pack-seattle-center-for-elizabeth-warrens-campaign-event

    Impressed…not so fast. On a beautiful Seattle summer Sunday…nah.
    Just a stone’s throw away is the Key Arena where both Obama and Sanders had overflow crowds of over 18,000+ in two different rallies in 2008 (Obama) and 2016 (Sanders)
    Translation…Warren will get some of the faithful to attend but little else. Her campaign is the best of the lot for the Dims but alot of the enthusiasm is missing…

  178. Bitterlaw says:

    I would vote for Romney over Trump in a General Election if Trump went back to his roots and ran as a Dem. I would also consider breaking my rule to vote for Romney over
    Trump in a primary. However, those scenarios will never happen so it is wasted speculation.

  179. Bitterlaw says:

    Once the Dems pick a candidate, the enthusiasm to beat Trump will be there. Book it.

  180. lisab says:

    the dems have a floor of 40%

    the reps have a floor of 43%

    not exactly sure how the 17% will break, but it will be mostly dem

    if trump can get 5% or so he wins

  181. Robbie says:

    Jonathan Swan
    @jonathanvswan

    Scoop: Trump suggested nuking hurricanes to stop them from hitting U.S.

    – I’m interested to see which one of you will be the first to endorse trump’s batcrap crazy idea of nuking hurricanes. I know one you has it in you so do it and be a legend.

  182. Phil says:

    ….and I’d be interested in the source of said “scoop”. Same source that said Trump was a Russian agent?

  183. Bitterlaw says:

    Trying to make hurricanes is crazy. Allowing Democrats to win the White House and appoint Federal judges is dangerous. Both can be true.

  184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    We are heading into unknown territory politically in 2020. When its pitch dark outside, I am wary of the person who describes what he sees in the distance.

    Given the Democrats in congress are fighting like cats and dogs; think it is questionable to expect the Democratic convention to turn into a love fest. A lot of young, wonk Democrats may vote for the Socialist candidate — many I know have told me point black that will not under any circumstance vote for Biden. They want their vision of American fought for now; not a nostalgia trip into the Biden, Clinton & Epstein past.

  185. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    187. Its an unidentified source who claims Trump stated it at a White House briefing. Its hearsay.

  186. Wes says:

    Having segments of a party claim they’ll never vote for a specific candidate is nothing new. Some Dems claimed thesame about Clinton and Obama. The effect of their apostasy on the elections Clinton and Obama ran for President in was undetectable.

  187. Wes says:

    Although Trump says stupid things I highly doubt he suggested nuking hurricanes.

    I’m sorry, but I find that one incredibly hard to believe.

  188. jason says:

    Trump accused of killing millions more than Hitler and Stalin.

    Amoral Scumbag “concerned” about nuking hurricanes.

  189. jason says:

    Whatever happened to Amoral Scumbag’s go to psychologist to diagnosed Trump as mentally ill.

    He was sooooo excited for about 5 minutes until she was debunked and he moved on to the next “scandal”.

    I estimate the shelf life of “nuke gate” to be about 1.5 nanoseconds.

  190. jason says:

    I would vote for Romney over Trump in a General Election if Trump went back to his roots and ran as a Dem.

    – Me too. I would then hire an exorcist to rid myself of the bad vibes.

    I would also consider breaking my rule to vote for Romney over
    Trump in a primary.

    – Never. I would re-register as a R to vote for Trump if his opponent was Romney. I won’t bother with Joe Welsh and the drunk.

  191. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    191. Believe once factor in the Hillary Clinton loss was disillusioned Democrats staying home. At their recent convention the Socialist of American voted to refuse to support any other candidate than Sanders, and to actively support a Socialist candidate instead. Several million votes going to a Socialist candidate could impact the outcome in 2020.

  192. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    194. “Whatever happened to Amoral Scumbag’s go to psychologist to diagnosed Trump as mentally ill.”

    The psychologist turned to troll and said: “Let’s talk about you instead.”

  193. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    183. “I would also consider breaking my rule to vote for Romney over Trump in a primary.”

    Bitter, I would consider it as well.

  194. Wes says:

    Hillary ran a hard left campaign, let Trump appeal to voters she took for granted, and came under FBI investigation the week before the election, SDC. Dems had no reason to be disillusioned with the woman who would have been the female Obama. Her own missteps and corruption were the primary factors in her defeat.

  195. jason says:

    Once the Dems pick a candidate, the enthusiasm to beat Trump will be there. Book it.”

    Not so sure. Generic candidates usually do better than an actual candidate.

    The Dems don’t have any good candidates, so “beating Trump” will have to be the main attraction.

    Hillary made the mistake of spending hundreds of millions on ads attacking Trump on moral grounds while married to Bill Clinton.

    I am not sure “beating Trump” is enough to win an election if the Dems don’t have anything else to run on. We will see.

  196. lisab says:

    25% of sanders voters say they will only vote for sanders

  197. Wes says:

    Sanders is averaging 14% in polls. 25% of that is 3.5%. Now let’s assume Dems make up 35% of next year’s electorate.

    That’s approximately 1% of the vote.

    Of course 1% of the vote can make a difference in a close race, but much of that depends on where Sanders’ votes are concentrated. If they’re mostly in places like Berkeley and Burlington, Trump isn’t going to benefit.

    If they’re in Pittsburgh and Madison then it depends on how many people are absolutely fed up with Trump.

  198. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I don’t think anyone could have predicted what happened in 2016. Say the same for 2020.

  199. jason says:

    wes is right that the disgruntled Sanders voters might be from very liberal enclaves.

    But for sure the enthusiasm level will vary from candidate to candidate and from location to location.

    It is very possible Biden would have less enthusiasm from the moonbats than Warren for example, even though he would have wider appeal in some swing states.

    As SDC says, predicting 2020 is difficult.

  200. jason says:

    As it currently stands, I would rather have Warren as the nominee but would rather have Biden as President.

  201. Wes says:

    I heard 2008 would be hard to predict too. It wasn’t. Hell, in 1932, Huey Long of all people thought Roosevelt would have a hard time beating Hoover. An unpopular President is invariably a drag on both himself and his party. These things are not nearly so complicated to handicap as you people are making them.

  202. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    206. I believe the conventional wisdom about 2008 was that Hillary Clinton would get the Democratic nomination. Obama defeating her was a surprise.

  203. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “China announces it seeks ‘calm’ end to trade war, as markets tank and currency hits 11-year flatline

    China signaled on Monday it was now seeking a “calm” end to its ongoing trade war with the U.S., as Asian markets crumbled and China’s currency plummeted to an 11-year low following the latest tariffs on $550 billion in Chinese goods announced last Friday by the Trump administration.

    News of the possible opening in negotiations came shortly after President Trump threatened to declare a national emergency that would result in American businesses freezing their relationships with China. Trump’s tariff barrage on Friday was a response to China imposing its own retaliatory tariffs on $75 billion in U.S. goods.”

  204. Wes says:

    Nice goalpost move, SDC. I was referring to the general election, which was as close to a guaranteed victory for one party as one could get.

  205. jason says:

    Conventional wisdom only gets you so far. Conventional wisdom was that “popular Presidents” like Clinton and Obama would be able to ensure their successors. Yes I know there are many reasons why that didn’t happen, butterfly ballot in FL, Hillary ignoring Wisconsin, etc. but the fact is there are a lot of reasons why “guaranteed victories” don’t always happen. We have seen that Trump has defied conventional wisdom several times before, certainly anyone who predicted he would be the R nominee when he moved down that escalator in 2015 is a genius. I think the stats wes provides do indeed make Trump an underdog, but I still think it is fair to say the 2020 election is hard to predict.

  206. jason says:

    Does anyone else not care that Andrew Luck retired?

  207. Chicon says:

    Has Robbie been here to show support for Joe Walsh?

  208. Bitterlaw says:

    It is unfortunate that Luck sustained so many injuries. He had talent but just could not stay on the field.

  209. Big Joe says:

    It’s good to see Medicare for All fading away. This is what the primary season is all about. You try a message and the people will tell you if they are excited about it or not. Then you adjust and move forward with messaging that resonates.

    Big Joe

  210. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #214- Big Joe
    Wishful thinking. In 2018, many of the successful swing State Congressional Democrats won on the Medicare for All scam.
    The GOP should hang this around their political necks in 2020.
    Agreed?!

  211. jason says:

    What is sad is the AFL-CIO conservatives think the effects of the trade war are “good”.

    The idea that damaging the Chinese economy is “good” is so stupid it does not even warrant comment, really.

    All this says is the trade war is damaging to both sides, which any moron should already know.

    There is no “benefit” to giving up on the Chinese market of 1.3 billion people just like there is no “benefit” to the massive tax hike on US consumers resulting from endless tariff escalations.

  212. Chicon says:

    Stupid would be the belief that unilateral disarmament works.

  213. jason says:

    Has Robbie been here to show support for Joe Walsh?”

    Amoral Scumbag will be here to tell us he has been a Joe Walsh fan and supporter since 1993.

    He will propose a brokered convention where Joe Walsh will get the RNC to cancel Trump’s candidacy and nominate him instead.

  214. jason says:

    Stupid would be the belief that unilateral disarmament works.”

    No, stupid is repeating isolationist and protectionist talking points like “unilateral disarmament”.

    But hey, when Trump fritters away the only thing going for him, the economy, on stupid trade wars, I am sure you will be here to tell us implementing the AFL-CIO agenda of the last 70 years was worth the price.

  215. jason says:

    How the stupid trade wars are damaging the US tech industry:

    https://www.ft.com/content/16fa93ba-bf69-11e9-b350-db00d509634e

  216. jason says:

    Link doesn’t work

    An excerpt:

    “For US tech companies, it all began promisingly enough. It is nearly two years since the White House vowed to investigate longstanding complaints about China’s methods for tapping into American knowhow, including trading market access for tech transfer and the outright theft of intellectual property.

    But what started as a narrowly targeted trade complaint has morphed into what looks like a turning point for America’s global tech leaders, contributing to severe market whiplash this month.

    Apple, for instance, shed about $90bn of stock market value in the three trading sessions after President Donald Trump in a tweet threatened a new round of tariffs. This week, it regained $50bn at the open on Tuesday when those tariffs were delayed — but by the end of Wednesday had given back $40bn on worries that the trade war was contributing to a wider economic slowdown.

    A resolution of the trade war may yet calm ructions like this. But many tech executives have concluded that their world is changing for good — and not in ways that they hoped or wanted.

    The fight with China has had three broad effects, according to Chuck Robbins, the chief executive officer of networking equipment maker Cisco Systems, and the White House has no offsetting positives yet to show for this pain. Surprisingly, perhaps, companies such as Cisco have managed to resist most of the headwinds so far — but that may be changing.

    One effect concerns sales to customers in China. US policy was meant to open the market more to American tech companies, but if anything it has had the opposite effect.

    Tech is being ‘disentangled’ into China- and US-centric supply chains

    Cisco’s sales to Chinese telecoms groups had already been sliding for years, but big state-owned enterprises have now shut the door in the company’s face. “We’re being uninvited to bid, we’re not even being allowed to participate any more,” Mr Robbins complained this week.

    For US chip companies, the threat of lost sales has been exacerbated by the ban on selling to Huawei. Broadcom, for instance, sold $900m worth of chips to the telecoms equipment company in 2018. The loss of those sales, as well as wider uncertainty from the trade war, recently caused it to scrap predictions of a revenue rebound later this year, adding to the doubts that have gathered around an expected cyclical recovery for the chip industry. The pain may eventually be justified by new trade concessions from China, but there is nothing yet to justify optimism.

    A second hit has come from the penal tariffs on imports into the US. The White House this week delayed duties on iPhones and laptops, among other consumer goods, to prevent a dent to this year’s holiday-season sales. But that delay is in itself an admission of the damage the duties will cause to companies such as Apple if they are imposed later. Meanwhile, for suppliers of data centre technology such as Cisco, a recent increase in imports tariffs to 25 per cent has already started to bite.

    Even if the dispute is resolved soon, tech companies have seen the writing on the wall, bringing a longer-term reordering of the industry. The tech world is being “disentangled” into separate US-centric and China-centric supply chains, says Pat Gelsinger, chief executive of data centre software company VMware. This is not just about finding different ways to serve the US and China markets, he adds. Rather, it reflects rival networks of global economic influence: selling technology to customers in places such as Europe, Latin America or Africa will ultimately be affected by whether they have been drawn into the orbit of US or Chinese tech suppliers.”

  217. jason says:

    Of course, the negative effects of the trade wars are affecting other sectors too besides the tech sector.

    Agriculture and retail sectors for example.

    So coming here and crowing that “the Chinese (and world) economy is being damaged” as a good thing is really, really, stupid.

    Nobody “wins” trade wars, in the end any face saving agreement for either side will still have damaged both sides.

  218. jason says:

    It’s good to see Medicare for All fading away. This is what the primary season is all about. You try a message and the people will tell you if they are excited about it or not. Then you adjust and move forward with messaging that resonates.”

    It’s not fading away, it’s being shelved. All the Dems believing in it, don’t be fooled.

    The Dems would implement completely socialized medicine in a nanosecond if they had the power.

  219. jason says:

    CG to come here in 3, 2, 1 and say this is code for hoping Ginsburg will die.

    “WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump had encouraging words for Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg as she recovers from treatment for a malignant tumor on her pancreas.

    After the announcement Friday that Ginsburg had just finished three weeks of radiation therapy, the president said, “I hope she does really well.”

    “I’m hoping she’s going to be fine,” Trump said before boarding Marine One to head to the G-7 Summit in France. “She’s pulled through a lot. She’s strong, very tough.”

  220. VictrC says:

    Good morning all

    The “trade wars” have been a failure for Trump. Again, he should find some small morsel to claim a phyric victory and end it immediately. He won’t…which is why his re-election is in doubt

    Medicare for all might be “shelved,” but every R running in a tight district and in the Presidential election will use all the footage of D candidates saying they will take away your healthcare insurance over and over again. Ironically, if they were smart they would use Tim Ryan debate footage where he says they are trying to take away union member negotiated healthcare for substandard govt issue healthcare. Run that clip again, and again, and again.

  221. VictrC says:

    Jason 225. – If that could be Trump more often (if not all the time) he would help his re-election chances infinitely. Imagine the next 16 months of Trump acting civil, ending the trade wars, and. Continuing to grow the economy.

  222. Big Joe says:

    #74 Bitter-
    “Big Joe- Being an A-hole is a dirty business. While we never admitted a Demorat [sic] as a member, MD never resigned so we technically have one now.

    “I make no promise of membership but here is a question. Why should you be an A-hole?”

    I was thinking I could be the one to break the party barrier. In fact, I wasn’t even thinking about A-hole membership until Jason expressed sadness at not being able to award me points.

    However, NYCMike’s comment about rimjobs gave me a major pause. I’m seriously considering withdrawing my application based on that scary comment alone.

    Big Joe

  223. jason says:

    Big Joe, you don’t have much of a future as an A-hole or even as a poster here at HHR if you take anything posted by NYC seriously.

  224. jason says:

    The “trade wars” have been a failure for Trump. Again, he should find some small morsel to claim a phyric victory and end it immediately. He won’t…which is why his re-election is in doubt”

    He will eventually end the stupid trade war by declaring victory, although the damage will already have been done.

    The AFL-CIO conservatives will be ecstatic and declare that for the first time in History, thanks to Trump, tariffs worked and the AFL-CIO finally won a trade war.

    At this point, it would be better than digging a deeper hole.

  225. jason says:

    Imagine the next 16 months of Trump acting civil, ending the trade wars, and. Continuing to grow the economy.”

    Since we are going for really long shots, I am going to imagine winning the Powerball.

  226. jason says:

    I finally looked up this Joe Walsh guy, who I honestly don’t remember ever hearing about.

    So he is a tea party guy who served one term in the House.

    Since Corey has already quoted him several times and posted his website I thought maybe he was some moderate R, but instead he is on record as making statements like

    “He also attacked the parents of children killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shooting, vowed to grab his “musket” if Trump lost the 2016 election, and threatened “war” on Obama and “Black Lives Matter punks” after the 2016 ambush of police officers in Dallas.”

    n 2016, he claimed former President Barack Obama “hates Israel” because he’s “a Muslim.”

    In 2017, Walsh said Obama’s inexperience as a presidential candidate was given a pass by his supporters “simply because he’s black.”

    So this is the guy Corey is now quoting here.

    As they say, politics makes strange bedfellows.

  227. CG says:

    Joe Walsh is from my area and I’ve known him for years (the good, the bad, and the ugly.)

    Yes, I have gone from hoping he would not run for Governor or U.S. Senate here in order to not hurt the party’s chances to supporting him for President.

    After all, he is the only conservative running.

    Unlike Donald Trumo, he is able to own up to faults and mistakes and has learned from them. He admits that his past rhetoric helped create a Trump, whom he strongly supported in 2016.

    Now, he realizes that Trump is a horrible person who is completely unfit to be President, so he is going to call him out on that every day.

    Will he become the Republican nominee? No. Is he doing a tremendous service nonetheless? Absolutely.

    This is going to be a lot of fun.

  228. CG says:

    I also know the Presidential nominee of the Prohibition Party.

  229. lisab says:

    china is bleeding money

    they need a deal

    especially if hong kong goes even more badly

    they are facing bigger than 2008 losses, that is how bad they are doing. hong kong banks are way over-leveraged

  230. Phil says:

    “So this is the guy Corey is now quoting here?”

    Of course. If he’s anti Trump he’s useful regardless of whether he’s in the mainstream or not.

  231. CG says:

    If you think conservatives are in the mainstream, (which I always have) then Joe Walsh is definitely in the mainstream.

    Don’t be hypocrites.

    If you think Trump’s combative style is not a problem then you should also have no problem with Walsh.

    And if you think Trump has nothing to fear from a challenge to his right, then this shouldn’t be anything for you OnlyTrumpers to get too worked up about, right?

  232. jason says:

    LOL, “don’t be hypocrites”

    CG, who has hated tea partiers and sneered at people like Joe Walsh for years, now pretends he likes him as a “conservative with combative style”.

    Now that is chutzpah.

    I give Corey the hypocrite award of the year, hands down.

  233. jason says:

    2016, he claimed former President Barack Obama “hates Israel” because he’s “a Muslim.”

    In the past, Corey would have been all over someone who said that.

    Now, he endorses him for President.

    I think Corey is learning a lot from Amoral Scumbag.

  234. CG says:

    I’ve not hated Tea Parties, just haven’t identified with them as a special interest.

    Joe Walsh is the only conservative running for President though right now. Anyone here who claims to be a conservative would agree with him on just about every issue, especially those who consistently take issue with the “AFL-CIO conservatives.”

    He’s owned up to his past rhetorical mistakes and wants to make amends for them.

    All the while, he is going to be hitting Donald Trump in the face (rhetorically) every day and it’s going to be great to see how unhinged Trump gets by him.

  235. jason says:

    Of course. If he’s anti Trump he’s useful regardless of whether he’s in the mainstream or not.”

    Exactly.

    The ends justify the means.

    But I am glad Corey has stop faking that he is taking the high road with Trump.

    In the end, he is now admitting it was never about Trump, which we already knew.

  236. CG says:

    I called out Walsh for all that at the time. He’s apologized for saying that Obama was a Muslim. He admits he never believed it but said it to be provocative. Trump is the same way, but never apologizes.

    All the while, Walsh is a strong supporter of Israel and there certainly were issues with that relationship under Obama, were there not?

  237. jason says:

    He’s owned up to his past rhetorical mistakes”

    Oh, they were “rhetorical”? LOL

    Does Trump get the benefit of making “rhetorical” mistakes too?

    Good to know.

  238. CG says:

    I think Walsh is taking the high road by challenging Trump. He saw nobody else on the right is willing to do it or to take on Trump in moral terms, so he is putting a lot at risk for a task like that.

    He has always been more conservative than Trump and whatever faults he may have had or still has, has always been a far better person than Trump, and actually thinks about putting the country first.

    I’ve talked about things he has been saying on his radio show for over a year now, even when saying that I have some significant disagreements with him and his style.

    It just so happens though that his style is exactly what is going to unhinge Trump the most and I look forward to that.

  239. CG says:

    If Donald Trump were to admit mistakes and express a desire to be a better person, maybe he would get the benefit of the doubt.

    Instead, Trump is the person who says he has never once had to ask G-d for forgiveness for anything.

    There’s the difference.

  240. jason says:

    Joe Walsh, what, 5 years ago.

    “In 2014, Walsh was pulled off the air during his radio show for using racist slurs. He also promoted the “birther” conspiracy during former President Barack Obama’s time in office and said Obama was only elected because he is black.”

    Like I said, politics makes strange bedfellows.

    Corey has just forfeited ANY right to keep pretending he is taking the high road when it comes to Trump.

    As we all knew, it was all fake outrage. The truth comes out eventually.

  241. CG says:

    You are welcome to search out the left-wing talking points about him, as I notice you are not citing any sources.

    As I have said, Walsh has made a lot of mistakes, but the entire story is a bit more complex as it relates to those things. He’s never been a racist. Not at all. He played to an audience though by being provocative. The “racial controversy” was about the pc outrage over the Washington Redskins, and he went too far in trying to make a point.

    He is the first to admit that he helped create the monster of Trump and now wants to do his part to take him down.

  242. jason says:

    From what I can see, this moron is actually going to make Trump look good, not the other way around.

    As far as being “more conservative than Trump” … zzzzzzzz…

    I have never called Trump a conservative.

    But he is still much better than any socialist.

  243. jason says:

    You are welcome to search out the left-wing talking points about him, ”

    LOL

    The guy who is constantly regurgitating EVERY left wing talking point against Trump is now accusing me of quoting left wing talking points.

    Too bad the hypocrisy award was already given out.

  244. CG says:

    Yes, politics does make for strange bedfellows. But nothing can ever be stranger than those who have abandoned every principle and value they ever had to be subservient to Donald Trump’s every whit and whim, especially when they are the very same people who were calling him a “fascist” and a “Klansman” three years ago.

    Joe Walsh has the freedom and common sense now to admit he was wrong to support Trump. Many others will be following suit in that regard some time in the future. It will probably take a “socialist” as President for some to be willing to admit it.

    For now, the best thing to do is to get Trump to quit the race. Walsh would leave to and then a mainstream conservative can be chosen to go up against the Democrats. Otherwise, you OnlyTrumpers are just going to run the risk of losing on purpose.

  245. CG says:

    Walsh doesn’t attack Trump from the left. He’s far more conservative than Trump and attacks him from the right on policy matters (even when I disagree with some of his positions) and attacks him as an American on the moral standpoint. It’s certainly not left-wing to speak the truth about how horrible Donald Trump and his influence on America is.

    In your heart of hearts you believe it is all true as well.

  246. Phil says:

    Robbie to be along any moment to assure us that he will “run not walk” to vote for Walsh should he get the nomination…..unless of course Walsh actually does get the nomination – in which case he will immediately start using every left wing talking point to trash the guy in the GE.

    Rinse and repeat.

  247. Big Joe says:

    #229 Jason-
    “Big Joe, you don’t have much of a future as an A-hole or even as a poster here at HHR if you take anything posted by NYC seriously.”

    Well I’ve been an HHR commentator since 2007, but that one comment shook me up a bit.

    Big Joe

  248. Big Joe says:

    Wasn’t Joe Walsh the guy who wanted to arm Kindergarteners and call them Kinderguardians?

    Big Joe

  249. Bitterlaw says:

    Walsh sounds like a racist anti religious bigot.

    CG to say it was just rhetoric and NYC to accuse me of virtue signaling in 3…2…1…

  250. Chicon says:

    Walsh is even more looney than Trump, and it’s not close.

  251. NYCmike says:

    I remember when Reagan apologized……..for, at one time in his life, of being a Democrat.

    Now, a “conservative Republican”, like “CG”, wants a Democrat to defeat Trump in the next election.

    Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

  252. NYCmike says:

    “We have seen that Trump has defied conventional wisdom several times before, certainly anyone who predicted he would be the R nominee when he moved down that escalator in 2015 is a genius.”

    -Ann Coulter, Scott Adams, and Don Surber predicted it…..I guess jason thinks they are all geniuses.

  253. Phil says:

    Yeah, but he’s useful to the Trump haters so no problem.

  254. NYCmike says:

    #255 – “CG” would never support such a bad person!

  255. NYCmike says:

    Andrew Luck retiring……too bad….he was a heck of a football player when healthy.

  256. Chicon says:

    Andrew Luck is a quitter. /s

  257. Phil says:

    Pro football is a brutal physical sport. Takes its toll.

  258. NYCmike says:

    Then again, just looked at that draft, with Luck and RG3 #1 & #2……QB’s picked later were Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins…..the last 3 were picked in Rounds 3 & 4……..

  259. jason says:

    Joe Walsh 26 Feb 2018

    I apologize if I said this guy was a racist in 2014… it is much more recent than that.

    Joe Walsh
    ?Verified account @WalshFreedom

    I have a right to pray to whatever God I want to pray to.

    I have a right to call Obama a Muslim and call Trump a thin-skinned ego maniac.”

  260. NYCmike says:

    Brutal is the correct word…….makes it even more amazing what Brady has done……since he took over for an injured Drew Bledsoe.

  261. jason says:

    Walsh sounds like a racist anti religious bigot.”

    BUT, according to Corey, he “is more conservative than Trump”.

    My oh my, how things change when your hate easily overcomes the courage of your convictions.

  262. NYCmike says:

    Ummmmmm……why is it “racist” to say that Obama is Muslim?

    Obama is in an interview with George Stephanopoulos where he says it himself.

    It may be a foolish statement, but that does not make it a racist statement.

  263. jason says:

    -Ann Coulter, Scott Adams, and Don Surber predicted it…..I guess jason thinks they are all geniuses.”

    If they said he would be elected President the day he rode down the escalators, I will give them their political genius due.

  264. NYCmike says:

    Walsh is probably more conservative than Trump, but he would lose the general election, and there is ample evidence to know that to be a true statement.

  265. CG says:

    He’s not a racist or a bigot. He’s just a loudmouth who is trying to be a better person. Before he turned on Trump, the A-holes would have welcomed him with open arms.

    And if there is anybody who should be supporting a Tea Partier launching a primary challenge against a weak incumbent of the GOPe in order to “send a message” it should be NYC.

  266. jason says:

    I think calling Obama a Muslim is racist.

    Others can disagree.

  267. CG says:

    The point was that people have free speech to call Obama a Muslim, even if it is false. That’s not something that I nor anyone here would have ever disagreed with.

    Should we be locking up people for “hate speech?”

  268. NYCmike says:

    “If they said he would be elected President the day he rode down the escalators, I will give them their political genius due.”

    -Bitterlaw,

    Please reduce the number of A-Hole points that jason has by half, for this blatant disregard of the A-Hole Code of Conduct.

  269. CG says:

    Walsh has apologized for calling Obama a Muslim. That’s a settled issue now. He was wrong.

    What has Trump apologized for?

  270. jason says:

    He’s not a racist or a bigot.”

    No, he WAS a racist and a bigot.

    But since he challenged Trump, he changed.

    I love it here.

    Corey has beclowned himself forever, which is good, everybody here was tired of the sanctimonious ass routine.

    Now Corey admits his fake outrage about Trump was just that, fake outrage. It is still all about Jeb Bush, nothing to do with Trump.

    Corey has jumped in the gutter in the name of opposing Trump.

    Hilarious.

  271. NYCmike says:

    “against a weak incumbent of the GOPe”

    -By which metric are you judging Trump to be a weak incumbent?

    He has the support, per the polls, of over 90% of his party.

  272. CG says:

    No, he was never a racist or a bigot. (He spent years teaching in inner city schools). He was just appealing to racist and bigots, the same way Trump does, although the stuff Trump has said has been far worse.

    He now knows how wrong that was and is making amends. His testimony along those lines is very needed.

  273. NYCmike says:

    “It is still all about Jeb Bush,”

    -Can’t argue with that statement.

  274. jason says:

    If Trump called Obama a Muslim, he should apologize.

    Walsh “apologized” because he wants to run for President, it is obvious that even in 2018 he was still making racist and bigoted statements, so only Corey believes in this transformation.

  275. jason says:

    He was just appealing to racist and bigots,”

    LOL

  276. NYCmike says:

    “He now knows how wrong that was and is making amends. His testimony along those lines is very needed.”

    -In several decades, we can nominate him for sainthood……..just like we did with President Mother Teresa.

  277. CG says:

    Trump is a weak incumbent because he has very low approval numbers and because he is trailing likely opponents.

    Neither Trump nor Walsh should be the 2020 GOP nominee, but if that is who is running, I will go with the actual conservative and the one who is actually standing for the moral values this country is based on.

  278. jason says:

    -Bitterlaw,

    Please reduce the number of A-Hole points that jason has by half, for this blatant disregard of the A-Hole Code of Conduct.”

    Huh, sorry.

    Article 34 part B inser IV says clearly non A-holes don’t get to determine what is disregard of the Code of Condut.

  279. CG says:

    The Jeb Bush thing is a ridiculous candard and always had been.

    I said I would have supported any of the Republicans running against Trump, unlike some others here who had plenty they ruled.

    So supporting Walsh or Weld or Sanford or whomever against Trump is perfectly consistent. I’ve been an anti-Trump conservative from Day 1. That’s not going to change. I am glad Joe Walsh is a convert.

  280. jason says:

    and the one who is actually standing for the moral values this country is based on.”

    I guess the country is founded on racism and bigotry.

    Poor Corey has gone TDS batsh-t crazy.

    It happens.

  281. CG says:

    I don’t see him making a racist or bigoted statement in 2018.

    He was saying people have free speech and the right to be idiots. The government cannot and should not shut them up. We see that demonstrated here all the time.

  282. jason says:

    I said I would have supported any of the Republicans running against Trump,\”

    But remember, you are a pathological liar, so nobody believes anything you say.

    And nobody believes you don’t know Walsh is a racist and bigot.

  283. CG says:

    I don’t think that Trump actually wants to have an “I’m less racist than this person” debate, but I am sure Joe Walsh would relish it. It’s sort of the reason he is running.

  284. CG says:

    None of you ever called Walsh a racist and a bigot until he announced his candidacy against Trump. That’s how it works.

    And it’s complete bs that jason suddenly “doesn’t remember” him. On Election Night 2010, jason and many others would have been talking about him because he won perhaps the biggest surprise of that entire election cycle.

    And through 2012, there was plenty of talk on HHR about if he “could survive” and as someone who was put into that Congressional district, I was saying he would not.

  285. Wes says:

    Good news for Trump in a new Monmouth poll:

    Warren and Sanders are tied at 20 while Biden trails slightly at 19.

    As RRH notes it’s not clear if this is because of the sample or because Biden has lost support because of a string of gaffes. If other polls confirm the decline then Biden is clearly in trouble.

  286. Wes says:

    Walsh narrowly ousted Melissa Bean in 2010 because of the surprisingly strong GOP showing in federal races that year. His victory was a tremendous upset. Whether he would have held the district under the old lines is unclear, but Republicans effectively doomed him that year by nominating a dud of a gubernatorial candidate who lost to Pat Quinn. Dems then pushed through an egregious gerrymander that obliterated several GOP Congressmen, Walsh among them.

    In 2012, Walsh lost badly to Tammy Duckworth, who went on to trounce Senator Mark Kirk for reelection in 2016.

  287. CG says:

    There was a GOP wave everywhere in 2010. He won perhaps the biggest surprise of the night though. Bean and her people definitely took his challenge for granted and thought he had no chance.

    He lost in 2012, after redistricting. There was not a Gubernatorial race that year. He won in 2010 when the GOP nominee for Governor lost a winnable race.

  288. Waingro says:

    “I don’t think that Trump actually wants to have an “I’m less racist than this person” debate, but I am sure Joe Walsh would relish it. It’s sort of the reason he is running.”

    The reason he’s running is because he’s huge Grifter (and a fraud), hoping to maximize some of that sweet, sweet MSM Trump bashing juice that others like “Radio” Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, Max Boot et. al. have found to be quite lucrative.

  289. CG says:

    And in spite of everything, he still came closer to Duckworth than he had any right to considering the makeup of the district and the traits attributed to the candidates.

    Whatever one wants to say about him is that he never quits and he will go in front of any group or any person to argue his case.

  290. CG says:

    He’s giving up his radio show to run. If he wanted to make a ton of money as a conservative talk radio host, the key would be to parrot Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and all the others.

    He’s running because nobody else wanted to.

  291. jason says:

    Frankly, I think a challenge to Trump from a racist bigot on the right is good for Trump.

    Will keep him in the spotlight during the primaries, and will actually make him look “normal”.

    Win-win.

  292. CG says:

    Yeah, his Tweets against Walsh are going to make him look “normal.”

    We all know they are coming.

    The fun part is that Walsh will be Tweeting back.

  293. jason says:

    The reason he’s running is because he’s huge Grifter (and a fraud), hoping to maximize some of that sweet, sweet MSM Trump bashing juice that others like “Radio” Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, Max Boot et. al. have found to be quite lucrative.”

    Corey knows that.

    But he wants to pretend Walsh is “better person than Trump”. Remember, he said that about Hillary too.

  294. CG says:

    jason in 2016 said repeatedly that Trump was a “racist” a “bigot” a “con-man” a “fraud” a “Klansman” and a “fascist” but in 2020, none of that matters.

    So, it is no surprise he will now for the first time say a couple of those things about Walsh. It’s his go-to.

    It’s just all about his blind loyalty to Trump

    Nobody is saying Walsh is going to wrest the nomination from Trump but he is the perfect person to expose Trumpism for what it is.

    Darrell Issa used to be a car thief and then invented Viper. This is similar.

  295. jason says:

    Look, Corey, I am glad you stopped pretending, and that you endorsed a racist bigot just because you hate Trump.

    It’s probably one of the few honest things you ever did here, admit that you don’t really care about Trump’s “morals”.

  296. Waingro says:

    #296, how well was his radio show even doing? It’s through Salem, right? I can’t imagine it had any type of high ceiling.

    I mean the guy took an absolute 180 on being a Full Blown MAGA in 2018 out of nowhere. It’s not a coincidence.

    And either way, he has absolutely zero credibility to run on a platform of being the “morality” candidate versus Trump, which seems to be his singular message. He will quickly become a laughing stock.

    I would sooner get behind someone like Sanford (who has his own foibles), who is contemplating on running on a principled, small government platform in direct contrast to Trump.

    Walsh’s “niche” is a road to nowhere but MSM love.

  297. CG says:

    Just about anyone is a better person than Trump and would make a better President than him.

    That probably applies to meek real life jason too, but not fake internet tough guy jason.

  298. CG says:

    Again, Walsh has apologized and moved away from his past mistakes (though no conservative on HHR would have ever referred to him as a racist until and unless he announced a challenge to Donald Trump.)

    At least Walsh gets it and wants the party and the country to move away from what he helped contribute to creating.

    That’s far more admirable than the flames of division Donald Trump stokes every day.

  299. jason says:

    ason in 2016 said repeatedly that Trump was a “racist” a “bigot” a “con-man” a “fraud” a “Klansman” and a “fascist” but in 2020, none of that matters.”

    I don’t think I ever called him a klansman, that smell like BS.

    And, contrary to you, I didn’t support him or vote for him for that.

    If Joe Walsh becomes President, and I think he does a good job for 2 1/2 years, I will be happy to evaluate him on his Presidency rather than my preconceived notions.

    Right now, all I have to go on this Walsh guy is that he is a racist bigot and most likely a con man.

    That is who you are supporting.

  300. CG says:

    It’s not out of nowhere. He would on his radio show express support for Trump’s agenda and criticism of him as a person. He would talk about balancing the “good Trump with the bad Trump” just like the people here on HHR do.

    He broke with Trump for good after Helsinki when Trump sided with Putin over the U.S. So, it’s not completely new either.

    Sometime in the future, the people here will be openly disdainful of their ever supporting Trump as well.

    He is saying publicly what so many Republicans believe privately but want to keep under wraps. So, he will take plenty of slings and arrows for that. He seems to not be the type who cares though. He likes the fight.

  301. CG says:

    There’s a long thread from 2016 in which jason and Robbie had a virtual love-fest and tried to one up each other with “Donnie Klansman” references.

  302. jason says:

    Corey is pretending he likes the racist bigot.

    Let’s face it, the guy could be a Neo-nazi and a child molester, Corey would still support him against Trump.

    That is why I say there is a rare sliver of honesty by Corey in all this.

  303. jason says:

    If you can show me a quote where I called Trump “Donnie Klansman” I will send Walsh a check for $1000.

    If you don’t find it, you send Trump a check for $1000.

    Deal?

  304. CG says:

    jason, who once insisted Trump was a racist bigot but now insists he is not a racist bigot has somebody new to call a racist bigot.

    Broken record.

  305. CG says:

    Now, according to jason, Walsh might as well be a “neo-Nazi” and a “child molester.”

    This is in spite of the fact that jason likely agrees with Walsh on nearly every issue and agrees with him more so than Trump.

    The DNC could use someone like jason.

  306. jason says:

    ust about anyone is a better person than Trump and would make a better President than him.”

    I disagree.

    Trump has been a pretty good President, even if I disagree with a lot of his policies.

    He certainly has been better than any Democrat, especially Hillary.

    And he is certainly better than Joe Walsh or any of the socialists.

  307. jason says:

    Now, according to jason, Walsh might as well be a “neo-Nazi” and a “child molester.”

    Wow how dishonest is that?

    “Let’s face it, the guy could be a Neo-nazi and a child molester, Corey would still support him against Trump.”

    I didn’t say he was a Neo-nazi or a child molester. I said if he was, you would support him against Trump.

  308. jason says:

    This is in spite of the fact that jason likely agrees with Walsh on nearly every issue and agrees with him more so than Trump.”

    I don’t know if that is the case or not, it’s hard to get beyond the fact the guy is a racist bigot.

    But even if true, that is not my criteria for President, I agree with a lot of Republicans more than I agree with Trump, but none have the chance to be President. If I was allowed to pick someone for President, you can be sure it wouldn’t be Trump or Walsh.

    I don’t see anyone beating Trump for the nomination. So it’s either him or one of the socialists. I can live with Trump another 4 years, but not with a socialist. So I will vote for him this time around.

    “Getting Trump to quit” is not a realistic scenario. The realistic scenario is that it will be Trump against Biden or Warren or another socialist.

    I prefer Trump. It’s not rocket science.

  309. CG says:

    I wouldn’t vote for a Neo-Nazi or a child molester or Trump (a guy who has praised neo-Nazis as “fine people” and bragged about a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein because Epstein liked very young women and also bragged about how he could walk in on undressed underage beauty pageant contestants and would hit on 15 year old girls at Trump Tower by saying, “you know, in a few years, I’ll be dating you.”

    But no, no votes for any of them, while you said you would vote for Roy Moore, the child molester.

    Since Joe Walsh is neither a neo-Nazi nor a child molester and I have already voted for him for Congress, I have no problem in voting for him as a protest vote against Trump. But if someone better gets in, I will keep my options open.

  310. CG says:

    How specifically is he a racist bigot?

    And if he is, how is Trump not?

  311. CG says:

    Walsh has indeed been very tough on Black Lives Matters activists who urged violence against police and he has been no fan of Colin Kaepernick.

    Does that make him a “racist bigot?”

    I guess according to the newly woke jason and “least racist person you know” Trump, he must be.

  312. jason says:

    So what is different from 2016, when the choice was Trump or Hillary?

    The difference was that I didn’t think Trump was fit for the office. I now think he is, and I don’t have to agree with him on everything to think that.

    Also, at the time, I was convinced Trump was closet Democrat liberal. I was wrong. He is not a conservative but he has governed a lot more conservative than I though possible. So at the time although I clearly preferred most of his announced policies to Hillary’s, I didn’t actually trust him to implement them.

    Now, I think he is fit for the office. And I see much more clearly the contrast between him and the socialists.

    That is why I will support him and vote for him this time around.

    But you can keep saying I called him a racist in 2016 and I will zzzzzzzzz….

  313. CG says:

    “it’s hard to get beyond the fact the guy is a racist bigot.”

    If nothing else, you can at least see why I can never support Trump.

    You of course felt the same way before and got over it.

    So, you don’t really believe Walsh is a racist bigot and even if he were, you would not care, as long as he was not a “socialist.”

    I am looking for specific policies he has advocated that make him a racist or a bigot. Anybody have one?

    (I can talk about Trump’s bigoted policies and statements at long length)

    If not, you are no different than the racist behind every corner leftist.

  314. CG says:

    If Trump is fit for office, so is Walsh.

    It shouldn’t be a problem for you. I do not happen to think Trump is fit for office.

    If you think Walsh won’t win many primary votes, you may be right, but you sure seem agitated about him today on behalf of your boy Trump. That’s pretty much why Walsh is running and why this is going to be fun.

  315. jason says:

    How specifically is he a racist bigot?

    And if he is, how is Trump not?”

    Let’s just jump to the second question, the first one his too obvious. Just Google Joe Walsh racist and voilá.

    I stated clearly that I thought Trump’s comments on the “Mexican judge” were racist.

    But in the 2 1/2 years since he has been President, I don’t see anything racist. What the MSM calls racist, I don’t call racist.

  316. jason says:

    Some NeverTrumpers are smarter than Corey…

    “One prominent Never Trump Republican, at least, isn’t buying it.

    “No Republican pushed birther nonsense and jerk store politics more than Joe Walsh. No thanks, Joe. You were Trumpy before Trump,” tweeted Doug Heye, a former communications director at the Republican National Committee.”

  317. jason says:

    Corey’s candidate:

    “Trumpy before Trump,”

  318. CG says:

    Trumpy before Trump is all the best to help destroy Trump.

    Its not like Walsh is not renouncing many things he has said in the past. I don’t think he was ever a “Birther” though.

    As I said, this is similar to how Darrell Issa used to be a car thief, turned his life around, and then invented Viper, which of course prevented many car thefts. Redemption is a great American tradition. Trump refuses to ever acknowledge fault or responsibility for anything. He has never even needed G-d’s guidance according to him.

    It’s good that you now consider left-wing Google to be the arbiter of if someone is racist or not. You clearly have nothing on Walsh, but are simply throwing words around. You will 100 percent of the time call someone opposing your candidate a “racist.” You are basically a fatter Al Sharpton.

    What would happen if we Google “Donald Trump racist”…?

  319. CG says:

    It doesn’t seem to me like Doug Heye is exactly a NeverTrumper, but I am not sure.

    If Walsh or Weld not good enough for him, and Heye wants Trump to be opposed, then Heye should run himself.

  320. CG says:

    And why didn’t jason cite the Huffington Post as his source on Walsh today?

    If Robbie used the Huffington Post to spread anti-Trump talking points, he would be called a “troll” and an “amoral scumbag” but it’s ok for jason to use them to say bad things about a Republican?

  321. NYCmike says:

    ” but it’s ok for jason to use them to say bad things about a Republican?”

    -No, it isn’t ok.

    The fact that both of you called either Walsh or Trump a racist, once again, lessens the impact of that word when describing a person who is actually racist.

  322. CG says:

    Evidence of Trump’s appeals to racial bigotry and white nationalism are beyond the realm of denial. They are beyond obvious. Whether he truly believes it or not is another matter, but he is explicitly using those methods. Plenty of people have indicated they simply do not care about this aspect of Trump’s appeal for support because other matters take priority.

    With Walsh, the only evidence is that he has been a loudmouth and a blowhard and has said things for shock value. He admits as much. There is not a vote he has cast or a public policy position he has advocated which is “racist”, unless one wants to join the left and say that “building the wall” is itself “racist” or that welfare reform is explicitly “racist.” I have never said or believed that.

    The difference is that Walsh has recognized what he has done wrong and apologized for it and vowed to be better in the future. He should be held accountable as a candidate that he does that. Trump says no such thing and will in fact double down at all turns.

  323. VictrC says:

    This is just absurd. The continued use of the term ‘“white nationalist” is not only disingenuous, its despicable.

    Those using it, the Left and Never Trumpers, do it knowing that Americans are not “white nationalist.” They use it to denegrate someone who doesn’t believe exactly what they believe or support their ideology. The actual number of “White nationalists” in this country is so minimal it doesn’t even measure a fraction of a percent, and yet people on the left, in the media and the NT crowd use it if there were 70+M of them in this country.

    Balderdash. It’s just not true, its just not reality. Supporting Trump doesn’t mean you are a “white nationalist.” Basically what they are doing is calling an entire segment of the country neo-n a z i because they won’t toe the Liberal line. It’s meant to shame anyone because they dare to challenge the Leftist orthodoxy.

    It’s disgusting, it’s shameful and it’s extremely sad to see people here use it as well. I expected better.

  324. CG says:

    “Supporting Trump doesn’t mean you are a “white nationalist.”

    No, but it means you are willing to look past the way he plays up to them.

    The white nationalists think he is a white nationalist.

  325. John says:

    329.
    Nothing new.
    The left called returning vets from the Viet Nam war ‘baby killers’
    The left has called those that are for life in the abortion debate ‘waging a war on women’.
    The left has called those that don’t fully agree with marriage between the same sexes homophobes.
    On and on and on.