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Biden Falls To 3rd Place Among Democrats Nationally

If you believe the people who do the polls for Monmouth Polling, then you now believe Joe Biden has fallen into third place among Democrats nationally with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both edging ahead of him in the latest national poll of Democrats.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Monmouth)
Elizabeth Warren 20%
Bernie Sanders 20%
Joe Biden 19%
Kamala Harris 8%
Cory Booker 4%
Pete Buttigieg 4%
Andrew Yang 3%
Julian Castro 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Marianne Williamson 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

I’ll be curious to see if any other polling organizations come out with similar numbers in the near future or if this is just a botched poll by Monmouth. This poll was done August 16-20 among 298 registered Democratic primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 2:24 pm
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597 Responses to “Biden Falls To 3rd Place Among Democrats Nationally”

  1. Phil says:

    Looking good for Pocahontas lately.

    Biden just cannot get out of his own way.

    Warren is Trump’s best shot – probably his only shot.

  2. Wes says:

    Joe Kennedy III looks ready to challenge Ed Markey for Senate in Massachusetts. Unfortunately other than Charlie Baker, the MAGOP is effectively moribund, meaning Republicans have a 0% chance of benefiting from a divisive primary between the two.

  3. VictrC says:

    A solid third…that was worth about $3.5M on the pga tour this week.

  4. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Agree with David, I question the Monmouth Poll given its small sample size of only 298 voters; it has a plus or minus 5.7% margin of error. It also was a poll of all Democratic or Democratic leaning voters. Will see if any other polls show the same results.

  5. CG says:

    Walsh 2020!
    #BeBrave

    See you in a few days perhaps.

  6. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    2. Risky run for Kennedy III. If he wins he becomes a national contender; if he losses his political career may be over.

    His comment:”I hear the folks who say I should it my turn, but with due respect–I’m not sure this is a moment for waiting” comes across a bit brash. Am not sure the Kennedy bran is as strong in Massachusetts as it once was; the recent focus on Chappaquiddick didn’t help.

  7. Waingro says:

    Monmouth sample has Blacks at 18% and Hispanics at 20%. Stick this poll in the garbage dumpster.

  8. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden — “I want to be clear, I’m not going nuts.”

    “After months of gaffes on the 2020 campaign trail prompting even his brain surgeon to chime in and defend his mind, Biden made a pointed comment about the state of his brain over the weekend. “I want to be clear, I’m not going nuts,” Biden said during a campaign rally in New Hampshire.”

    You almost have to be nuts to make a statement like that.

  9. Waingro says:

    #2, Wes, I have a feeling that if JKIII really is running that Markey will step out of the way. He’s been groomed for this spot for a while.

  10. NYCmike says:

    “Warren is Trump’s best shot – probably his only shot.”

    -Phil, the eternal optimist.

    Trump has a 50/50 shot against any of these clowns.

  11. Wes says:

    I’m not so sure, Wain. Markey doesn’t seem like the type to step down, and public opinion is not solidly behind Kennedy.

  12. NYCmike says:

    “the Kennedy bran”

    -Instead of raisins, served with 2 scoops of B*llsh*t

  13. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    12. Sometimes spell check is not our friend.

  14. NYCmike says:

    But it makes for some laughs at times….which is always a good thing!

  15. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sean Duffy (R-WI 7) is resigning from the House of Representatives.

    I predict this set will be a D pickup.

  16. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @StPetePolls
    Steven Lemongello
    “I always say that any statewide Florida poll with less than 300 respondents should be ignored. But any national poll with less than 300 respondents should never have been published. Monmouth should know better!”

  17. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    St. Pete Poll on Trump’s approval in Florida: 1,941 voters

    48% Approve
    49% Disapprove
    3% Unsure

    http://stpetepolls.org/files/StPetePolls_2019_State_Pres_August22_MGF6.pdf

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    15. “I predict this set will be a D pickup.”

    Am curious why? Duffy won re-election in 2018 by 61% of the vote. I hope Duffy runs for office again in the future.

  19. Waingro says:

    Face Palm.

    Aaron Blake
    ?
    Verified account

    @AaronBlake
    1h1 hour ago
    More
    Joe Walsh on MSNBC: “I wouldn’t call myself a racist, but I’ve said racist things on Twitter.”

  20. Phil says:

    Yeah, he hates Trump so all is forgiven.

    We all know how this works.

  21. gameboy says:

    Looking at this poll I may be wrong about Biden. He could be out before the first primary let alone Super Tuesday. What a weak filed of Candidates. trump must be licking his chops…..

  22. JeffP says:

    One thing that is becoming more obvious in these polls is that the majority of Dems want a socialist to run against Trump. Biden is fading fast…The Bern and Poco could combine efforts and take them where they are inevitably going anyway to the far left. Trump is the safer choice then.

  23. Bitterlaw says:

    None of you ever called Walsh a racist and a bigot until he announced his candidacy against Trump. That’s how it works.

    I didn’t call him anything because I never heard about him until a few days ago.

  24. Phil says:

    I never heard of him until the last week ago so I wouldn’t have been calling him anything one way or another. I do find it fascinating that our sanctimonious diversity conscious anti Trumpers on here suddenly give him a pass on his reported past statements. Nothing like going after Trump to wipe the slate clean.

  25. Wes says:

    I never called Walsh anything. He was a Tea Partyer who scored a remarkable upset in 2010. Once he left Congress I never gave him another thought.

  26. lisab says:

    if a couple more polls show biden weak like this one, he is done. he might not make it to iowa.

    the only rationale for his campaign is he is the strongest candidate. if he is showing weakness now, it wont be long until his support craters

    trump vs warren is much easier for trump than trump vs biden

  27. Phil says:

    Biden has electability vs Trump going and that’s it.

    You have to have more than that behind a candidacy to bring it home. Plus, one gaffe after another day after day shoots down that electability argument in a hurry. He is fixing to be 77 years old and worse yet, it shows. It’s another 13 months until we even get to the fall campaign. Do we think Biden is going to somehow be sharper in another year? I would bet almost anything he won’t. It’s on to get worse.

  28. Big Joe says:

    “if a couple more polls show biden weak like this one, he is done.”

    The GE polls are key. If polls show Warren (or anyone) to be just as electable in GE polls as Biden, then Biden is really in trouble.

    Big Joe

  29. Cash Cow TM says:

    “SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 26, 2019 at 5:37 pm
    15. “I predict this set will be a D pickup.”

    Am curious why? Duffy won re-election in 2018 by 61% of the vote. I hope Duffy runs for office again in the future.”
    *****************************
    SDC,

    The WI 7 district includes the NW tier counties of WISC. which is pretty heavy D/Lib in voting practice.

  30. jason says:

    I had never heard of Walsh either.

    Now that I have read up on him, he appears to me to be a racist and a bigot.

    Evidently he has apologized for being a racist and a bigot.

    Corey has accepted his apology, and now considers him an ex-racist and bigot.

    Meanwhile, hopefully Trump beats the socialist of the day.

  31. jason says:

    Joe Walsh on MSNBC: “I wouldn’t call myself a racist, but I’ve said racist things on Twitter.”

    Corey will be here in 3, 2, 1 to claim its ok to be racist on Twitter.

  32. jason says:

    I think it’s hilarious that Corey has picked a tea party birther as his candidate.

  33. jason says:

    Corey has been bashing conservatives and the tea party here for as long as it has existed.

    Now, he claims he supports Walsh because he is a true conservative.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  34. CG says:

    I’ve always been a conservative. It’s preposterous to suggest otherwise. I am certainly more conservative than jason and always have been on social issues, etc.

    I have definitely taken issue with much of the rhetoric of the Tea Party and of Walsh in particular. I spent many hours trying to get votes for Joe Walsh in 2012 when I was a precinct captain in his district, even though it was an uphill battle. I expressed some of my disagreements with him personally and with his rhetoric at that time. He was willing to listen. He said it was important for him to hear what people thought. As a radio host, he is incredibly patient and lets his pro-Trump callers say their piece and disagree with him.

    He was not a racist or a bigot unless you concede that his having supported such things as Trump’s racist Muslim ban made him one. Thankfully, he has changed his mind on that. He was never a “Birther” although his trolling of the “Obama is a Muslim” line was shameful. Thankfully, he can admit to that now, unlike Trump, who basically started the whole Birther lie.

    Walsh said rude and incendiary things on Twitter, much like someone else. He has not tried to delete or scrub anything. He will own up to everything he has said in the past, whether right or wrong. He said wacky things as a talk radio host. The other does so as President. He is trying to make amends for the way he used to act and should be held accountable that he does so. Trump’s supporters never seek to hold him accountable for anything.

    He has owned up to his mistakes, and I believe in redemption, but even beyond that, I admire the fact that he is at least consistent in his beliefs and was not willing to overlook various things about Trump, even when he still supported him. He simply has more courage than most anyone else in politics. He says publicly about Trump what most Republicans say privately. I wish that the Republican Party was not what it currently is, but as the saying goes, you go to war with the Army you have and not the Army you want. Walsh is the only one willing at this point to have the guts to challenge Trump from a conservative moral standpoint.

    And of course you have heard of him. If not, I would be concerned about your memory. He was a very visible Member of Congress and was talked about on here by HHR regulars a good deal in those 2 plus years.

    Trump is the one moving towards socialism with his horribly dangerous and damaging tariffs and his belief that he can order American businesses and American citizens what to do. Trump is the one who says that North Korea will thrive under the Communist dictatorship of Kim Jung Un.

    So, if anyone here is comfortable throwing your values way to support a socialist, then I can certainly support a Tea Partier.

  35. CG says:

    I should point point out that Trump is so bad, I am willing to overlook a ton of policy matters and personal differences to support someone against him. My list of demands is pretty small.

    1. The candidate is not corrupt
    2. They opposed the horrible Iran nuclear deal
    3. They support the Hyde Amendment
    4. They oppose third trimester late term abortion/post birth infanticide
    5. They stay away from racial arsonists like Al Sharpton

    Since the Democrats are all but certain to not nominate anyone who meets those standards and frankly it does not even seem like Bill Weld meets all of them, supporting Joe Walsh, via process of elimination, even if merely as a protest, is an easy choice.

  36. CG says:

    Number 6 would be support of Israel

  37. Phil says:

    Trump is the one moving toward socialism…….

    Yeah, Stop socialism. Let’s all sit back and watch Elizabeth Warren take the oath in January 2021. That’ll do it. Trump’s the real socialist threat.

  38. CG says:

    Nominating Trump and Warren means that socialism will have two advocates at the helm of the major parties. That’s horrible. I would lean towards that being the matchup next fall, and it will be tragic if there is not a third alternative, but Trump being nominated is still more likely at this point than Warren or Sanders.

    Someone in the Republican Party at least needs to “send a message.”

  39. CG says:

    If Walsh is no threat, or as jason says, will only serve to “help” Trump, then I would expect the HHR OnlyTrump Caucus to shrug off his candidacy and not cry and moan about Walsh.

    Clearly, jason has been triggered. Probably by inner guilt.

  40. Phil says:

    Warren is all in on “Republican sending a message”.

    She says Thank You very much. You Probably will need to kiss your little list of issues bye bye however.

  41. CG says:

    Well, I would never vote for Warren, so not my problem.

  42. lisab says:

    Joe Biden agrees ‘we’re doing’ $25 minimum wage for renewable energy workers

  43. Phil says:

    How does her election square with your list of 6 essential issues? I’d say if you are really serious about those her election would be very much your problem. I would say IF those really are all that important to you…and if they aren’t, why even mention them?

  44. Phil says:

    Come on Joe. Get a grip, man.

  45. lisab says:

    Trump Suggests Having Snowspeeders Fly Around Tornadoes To Trip Them With Tow Cables

  46. Phil says:

    I like it.

  47. CG says:

    Those are far from the only issues important to me. It’s simply my litmus test for if I can actually vote for someone over Trump or not.

    Walsh meets it. Nobody else does. It’s a matter of personal conscience. We all know my one vote will not sway primary or general election results.

  48. lisab says:

    Democrats To Gather On Labour Day To Protest Concept Of Labour

  49. CG says:

    As for the Illinois primary, I had been leaning towards taking a Democrat ballot for the first time. I want to vote out the Cook County States Attorney (lots of reasons to do it but people here may be most familiar with the Jussie Smollett story). Voting her out in the primary is the only way to get rid of her.

    But I can get slated as a delegate to the Republican convention, I have to vote for myself!

  50. lisab says:

    “This holiday glorifies everything we hate—working any amount, going to a job and getting a paycheck that you keep for yourself—in fact, the very name ‘Labour Day’ could be triggering to those who don’t want to work,” a Democrat protester who simply goes by the name “Bjorn” told reporters. “Down with work! Down with work!”

    “What do we want? Our lifestyle paid for by someone else! When do we want it? Now!” the crowd began chanting.

    Signs in the crowd had sayings such as, “Down with work” and “You can have my food stamps when you pry them from my cold dead hands”

  51. Wes says:

    I’ll be skipping the presidential primary next year; however, I will be working overtime to ensure Mikey and the Tea Party can’t implement the Mikey Maneuver by taking an active part in Thom Tillis’ and Dan Forest’s primary campaigns.

  52. Paul says:

    Walsh was elected in my congressional district in 2010. He had a short fuse and views that were to extreme. I thought he was vile. Tammy Duckworth easily defeated him in 2012.

    I am now pleased that he’ll be the sacrificial lamb in Trump’s primary.

  53. Wes says:

    Paul, Duckworth beat him largely because Pat Quinn pushes through one of the most egregious gerrymanders in the country. You liberals complain about how Republicans gerrymander things, but the Dems made IL, CA, and MD into World War I trench lines to ensure victory for their congressional candidates.

    You’re hypocrites.

  54. lisab says:

    After being confronted by a woman asking about his climate plan, Joe Biden agreed that it would include a $25 per hour minimum wage for those in the renewable energy sector.

    “What about $25 an hour minimum wage for renewable energy workers to move them out of fossil fuels?” the woman asked Biden during an event in Keene, New Hampshire.

    “Sure, that’s what we’re doing!” the former vice president responded.

  55. lisab says:

    #54 is not a parody

    and biden is the moderate candidate

  56. NYCmike says:

    Tariffs are a sign of socialism?

    The Founding Fathers just said “Excuse me?”.

    Tariffs are not the preferred method of taxation, but the same President who is putting them in place is also lowering taxes across the board, including the corporate tax, and getting rid of more onerous rules and regulations than Reagan or both Bush-bots ever did.

  57. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    42. “Joe Biden agrees ‘we’re doing’ $25 minimum wage for renewable energy workers.”

    Just by comparison, a solar installer makes on the average of about $20.00 an hour; about $40,000 a year. An energy worker on an oil and gas site averages about $100,000 a year. The energy industry employees about 1,500,00 people. It is one of the major providers of high wage jobs in the U.S. This makes it a major enemy the poverty pimp Democrats who thrive on dependency.

  58. lisab says:

    Joe Walsh said he lost his national radio show after announcing his campaign for president.

    The former Republican congressman from Illinois told CNN on Monday he does not know why he was let go, but said most of his audience supports President Trump.

  59. Phil says:

    The renewable energy industry is losing their ass. I wonder where good Ol Joe thinks they are going to get the money to pay his “minimum wage”?

    As usual, no concept of practical economics whatsoever.

  60. Phil says:

    …and Biden is the moderate candidate.

    Yeah, pretty scary alright.

  61. lisab says:

    Just by comparison, a solar installer makes on the average of about $20.00 an hour; about $40,000 a year. An energy worker on an oil and gas site averages about $100,000 a year.
    ——————————

    just by comparison, a petroleum engineer has to go to engineering school for four years minimum

    a solar installer has to be a minimum of 18 years old

  62. NYCmike says:

    “I’ve always been a conservative. It’s preposterous to suggest otherwise. I am certainly more conservative than jason and always have been on social issues, etc.”

    -And he still thinks Hillary would have been better than Trump, despite 2+ years of governing which shows otherwise.

  63. lisab says:

    Biden Rolls Out 2020 Campaign Slogan – “I’m Not Going Nuts”

  64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    61. I am talking about people even without college degrees who work in the oil and gas industry. Even truck drivers in Texas, or young people with high school degrees are making in the $100,000 range.

  65. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Shale country is out of workers. That means $140,000 for a truck driver and 100% pay hikes
    The oil industry has such a ferocious appetite for workers that it’ll hire just about anyone with the most basic skills.

    “It is crazy,” said Jazmin Jimenez, 24, who zipped through a two-week training program at New Mexico Junior College in Hobbs, about 100 miles north of Midland, and was hired by Chevron Corp. as a well-pump checker. “Honestly I never thought I’d see myself at an oilfield company. But now that I’m here — I think this is it.”

    https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-shale-oil-boom-20180608-story.html

  66. CG says:

    Pat Quinn merely signed the redistricting. He had nothing to do with it.

    The power was all (and remains to this day) with Speaker Michael J. Madigan.

  67. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I know high school graduates in Utah who are starting out at $50,000+ in energy jobs. The jobs will pay for them getting engineering and other degrees. How does that compare with those trendy Starbucks jobs in progressive urban areas?

  68. CG says:

    They had a guy on Walsh’s time slot today (who phrased it as “sitting in”) who was far more bombastic than Walsh ever was. (He also had a habit of calling everybody fat, including the Queen of England)

    He was really going after Trump on tariffs though, so it seems he will be somewhat of the same conservative anti-Trump niche.

  69. CG says:

    By the way in regards to the Illinois redistricting in 2012…

    Walsh was actually thrown into the same district as fellow House Republican freshman Randy Hultgren. It looked like they were going to have to run against each other. The conventional wisdom was that Walsh’s grassroots support could knock off Hultgren in the primary and it was a far more Republican district.

    Walsh took one for the team though and decided to run in the far more Democrat 8th district, which was was drawn specifically to elect Tammy Duckworth. Hultgren held on easily that year and served until the 2018 election when his once solidly Republican suburban district was of course lost to the Democrats.

    (and who was it here who told me I was crazy to even think that was a competitive race….)

  70. lisab says:

    well that might be because a solar panel system for a house generates take 30 years to produce 130 MWh

    which is equivalent to 76.5 barrels of oil

    or what a small oil well produces in a few days

  71. CG says:

    The next round of Illinois redistricting for 2022 will be even worse.

    Five Republicans remain in the delegation and the seats of three of them (Davis, Kinzinger, and LaHood) will all be put into the same district.

  72. Phil says:

    So the government will mandate different minimum wage scales for different industries? So much for a free market economy.

    Love it.

  73. Paul says:

    When the “Republican districts” that were gerrymandered by the Dems flip, it’s not a good sign.

  74. lisab says:

    of course a coal miner averages 6.8 tons of coal per hour

    and 130 MWh would be 16 tons

    sooooooooo … 2.5 hours work …

  75. Paul says:

    lisab loves ’em fossil fuels.

  76. lisab says:

    Shale country is out of workers. That means $140,000 for a truck driver and 100% pay hikes
    The oil industry has such a ferocious appetite for workers that it’ll hire just about anyone with the most basic skills.
    ———————————-

    because you have to work in … shale country

  77. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    70. You may be right. Also oil/gas field work is difficult and dangerous, so the pay is good to attract workers. Often you in some g—forsaken place like west Texas or North Dakota, where the weather is miserable. If your young and can do it for several years, you will earn a good nest egg. If you stay and get a better education, your earnings skyrocket.

    “A starting roustabout can make over $50,000 USD a year and receive training if they show commitment to staying in the industry. For those with specialized skills and experience as drill technicians and underground pipefitters, salary levels can reach as high as $200,000 USD. If you have a college degree in engineering, geology, chemistry or other relevant sciences, starting salaries for oil rig jobs can start off in the six-figure range and become even higher as you become more experienced.”

  78. lisab says:

    lisab loves ’em fossil fuels.
    ——————————

    mostly coal

    best energy source since … well … firewood

  79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    76. “because you have to work in … shale country.”

    True, but it beats working in a Starbucks.

  80. Paul says:

    I do like to visit old coal mines to find carboniferous plant fossils.

  81. lisab says:

    if only we could find a way to combine coal and tobacco …

  82. lisab says:

    and plastic straws

  83. lisab says:

    “public speaking is just as hard for white people as it is for poor people” biden

    oy vey

  84. lisab says:

    china just nationalized another bank

    Heng Feng just got a government bailout

    200B

  85. lisab says:

    Montana men get writing assignment for false military claims

    GREAT FALLS, Mont. — Two Montana men who were sentenced to prison for violating the terms of the probation in separate crimes won’t be eligible for parole until they complete a writing assignment given because they falsely claimed to have served in the military to have their cases moved to a Veterans Court.

    Cascade County District Judge Greg Pinski sentenced Ryan Patrick Morris, 28, and Troy Allan Nelson, 33, on Friday. Morris got 10 years in prison for violating the terms of his probation for felony burglary, while Nelson got five years on a drug possession conviction. Pinski suspended three years of each defendant’s sentence.

    Before they can be eligible for parole, Pinski ordered both men to hand write the names of all 6,756 Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan; write out the obituaries of the 40 Montanans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and send hand-written letters of apology to several veterans groups identifying themselves as having lied about military service to receive help and possibly a lesser sentence through a Veterans Court.

  86. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    84. Biden is deteriorating mentally before our eyes. The Democrats are down to a choice between an old Bolshevik and a fake Indian who aspires to be America’s Robespierre.

  87. lisab says:

    CNN Guest Says Trump Murdered ‘Many More Millions’ Of People Than Hitler, Stalin & Mao

    again … not a parody

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    86. Judge Pinski should be nominated for a federal court position.

  89. dblaikie says:

    Let just be frank, Uncle Joe doesn’t have the ability to run a serious campaign for President of the United States. If by some miracle he gets the nomination Trump will tear him apart.

    This means that most likely all these young millennial radicals are going to get their wish and a socialist from Massachusetts is going to be the nominee. If that happens, and I think it will, Donald Trump will be elected — sorry Wes. Her programs are so extreme and radical that they condemn her candidacy in the general election.

    Besides that there is her past where she lied to get ahead in her career by claiming a false heritage. Trump has and will continue to drive a train through that.

    The bottom line is that the Democrats need a “hero” to march in and save them. With the revealing of Biden’s dementia there is no one else who has a chance to win with their current field. No wonder people like Micheal Moore are begging Michelle to run!

  90. jason says:

    Yesterday Corey whined that I quoted something from the Huff Post.

    Of course, Amoral Scumbag quotes regularly from every left wing source in America, but that is ok, it is for the cause.

    Anyway, here is the Washington Examiner, no left wing source here:

    “Joe Walsh, who announced a primary run against President Trump on Sunday, has a long history of anti-Muslim comments, racist remarks, conspiracy theories, violent rhetoric, and more.

    And the apologies Walsh has offered about his past and the claims about when he decided he could no longer support Trump appear less than forthcoming.”

    Here are some examples of what Corey’s candidate for President stands for:

    “Walsh called Obama a traitor on Twitter at least seven times, as recently as November 2016.”

    “Walsh admits that for years he falsely promoted the “Obama is a Muslim” conspiracy theory to his hundreds of thousands of followers, propounding it as recently as February 2018”

    “After a terrorist attack on the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in 2015, Walsh hoped for violence against U.S. media outlets..let’s hope that when the Islamists next strike they first behead the appeasing cowards at CNN, MSNBC, etal”

    “Walsh tweeted in 2018 that “Haiti is a sh-thole and it’s run by blacks” (remember when everyone was upset when Trump called Haiti a sh-thole, Corey’s candidate wanted to make sure HIS comment was racist).

    “I have a right to say blacks are lazy and the Irish are drunks.”

    “Democrats have turned blacks into “uneducated government slaves,” suggested he wants “quotas for whites in BET Awards,”

    “Walsh’s longtime association with white nationalist Paul Nehlen, who was twice supported by Walsh in doomed primary attempts against former congressman Paul Ryan, will also give the presidential hopeful headaches. Just a couple days after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Walsh had the anti-Semite on his radio show. Nehlen was a known “pizzagate” conspiracy promoter and had spent the weekend retweeting alt-right celebrations of Charlottesville. Walsh called Nehlen “my friend” and told his listeners to visit Nehlen’s campaign website.”

    “How many fans would the Washington Dirty Micks have? How about the Washington N-ggers?”

    “Walsh’s own personal behavior will be scrutinized, too, including the $117,000 in child support he allegedly owed his ex-wife until 2012”

    There is more, but everyone can get the point.

    Heck of a candidate, Corey! Way to take the “high road” against Trump.

  91. jason says:

    Corey has repeatedly called Trump “David Duke lite” because Duke has praised Trump on occasion, some kind of perverse guilt by association.

    So he certainly won’t mind that we tag Joe Walsh with his “association with white nationalist Paul Nehlen”, who is also an anti-semite by the way.

  92. jason says:

    Oh, the Seth Richards conspiracy theory Amoral Scumbag likes to excoriate people here for posting about it.

    Yep, Joe Walsh pushed that too.

    Don’t know if he apologized yet, maybe Corey knows.

  93. jason says:

    Yesterday I didn’t know a lot about Joe Walsh.

    I have caught up.

  94. jason says:

    I need to ask Corey something.

    Joe Walsh has apologized for some of his statements because;

    1) He had a change of heart and is no longer a racist bigot

    2) He is running for President

  95. jason says:

    I see Amoral Scumbag has not rushed in here yet to endorse Joe Walsh.

    It will be fun to see him endorse a guy that promoted the Seth Richards conspiracy.

    Then we will have seen everything.

  96. jason says:

    Angie Dickinson is 87 today?

    Geezus, that makes ME feel old.

  97. Phil says:

    Angie was quite a honey.

  98. jason says:

    Yep, she was a hot tamale.

  99. jason says:

    Brandon Morse:

    “Who he’s going to try to win over is a mystery. Even his own fanbase wasn’t with him. Regardless, many mainstream news outlets who were content to call Walsh a racist and a crackpot are now giving him all the airtime he could possibly ask for. This says more about the desperation and derangement of the leftist media than it does anything else.”

    Corey sounds like the leftist media. Why is this no surprise….

  100. CG says:

    More left-wing out of context attacks.

    Walsh had a lot he needed to change about his shtick. He has changed for the better while jason has changed for the worse.

    Trump, aka David Duke Lite never changes.

  101. CG says:

    At least on the racial front, Trump never changes. He has changed his mind on everything else.

  102. Waingro says:

    Emerson releases new national Dem primary poll. Looks like Bernie surge and Pocahontas fade is real. Monmouth Biden # def looking like a massive outlier.

    Biden: 31%
    Sanders: 24%
    Warren: 15%
    Harris: 10%
    Yang(!): 4%
    Buttigieg: 3%
    Booker: 3%
    Gabbard: 3%
    Beto: 2%

    https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1166380186381836289

  103. Wes says:

    Emerson has a new poll out. In it Biden has a fairly wide lead over Trump while Sanders leads Trump more narrowly. Trump ties the next two candidates and leads Buttigieg narrowly:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1166383029528539136

    Wait, wait, wait. I’m sorry. I forgot I only post polls friendly to Dems. Clearly I made a mistake when I decided to post this.

  104. janz says:

    Trump disavowed David Duke, just like he did the neo nazis & other hate groups involved in the Charlottesville mayhem. But, the left and anti-trumpers refuse to let mythical rumors go, and simply regurgitate them in order to fit their negative narrative of Trump.

    David Duke also expressed approval of Ilan Omar’s anti Semitic remarks, which she never disavowed.

  105. lisab says:

    so now corey supports an anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-jewish white nationalist?

    mmmmmmmmmmkayyyyyy

  106. lisab says:

    in other news … homeland security claims they will have 450 miles of border walls completed by november 2020

  107. jason says:

    More left-wing out of context attacks.”

    Dang, now the Washington Examiner is left wing? LOL

    So Corey, which of these statements to you think are “left wing attacks”

    “I have a right to say blacks are lazy and the Irish are drunks.”

    “Haiti is a sh-thole and it’s run by blacks”

    “How many fans would the Washington Dirty Micks have? How about the Washington N-ggers?”

    Since Trump is Duke lite, what is Joe Walsh then?

    “Just a couple days after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Walsh had the anti-Semite on his radio show. Nehlen was a known “pizzagate” conspiracy promoter and had spent the weekend retweeting alt-right celebrations of Charlottesville. Walsh called Nehlen “my friend” and told his listeners to visit Nehlen’s campaign website.”

  108. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Trump disavowed David Duke, just like he did the neo nazis”

    Really? Must have missed that! JZ at it again with his lies.

    #RESIST!

  109. jason says:

    He has changed his mind on everything else.”

    Yes, glad you admit it.

    He certainly seems to have changed his mind on partial birth abortion specifically, and abortion in general.

    He changed his mind on “the economy always does better with Democrats”

    He seems to have changed his mind on universal health care paid by the government.

    These are all positive.

    Unfortunately, he is still a rabid tariff lover who thinks protectionism and isolationism work as a trade policy.

    He hasn’t changed his mind that deficits don’t matter, keep printing money.

    That is unfortunate.

  110. NYCmike says:

    “He hasn’t changed his mind that deficits don’t matter, keep printing money.”

    -Please note: This is a drastic change of policy from every other President and Congress in the last 20 years!

  111. CG says:

    Lets take this one by one

    “I have the right to say”…. the entire Tweet was that he did not believe these things but that any American has the free speech to say such. Do you disagree? He is Irish himself, so he made a point of including himself among those he would put down.

    Haiti- here, he was defending Trump. Big mistake at the time from my perspective. The problem though is that Trump was saying that people should not be allowed to come into the U.S. from these places. To me, that is un-American. Almost all of our families originally came to America in search of a better life because the home country was a “s-hole” at the time.

    Washington— Big mistake in using the n word to be provocative. He also went out of the way to use a slur against his fellow Irishmen too. He was trying to make a point about pc idiocy about the Washington Redskins? Do you think they need to change their name? You probably blame them for not signing Tebow.

    Nehlen- he was of course wrong to ever support Nehlen over Paul Ryan. Nehlen ran for Congress though the first time merely as a Trumper. Trump praised him too. Afterwards, he morphed into full neo-Nazi and Walsh broke things off with him. On the other hand, Laura Ingraham continues to defend Nehlen on Fox News. Is she a racist?

    Here is what Walsh said in a preview for his show right after Charlottesville-

    “In light of the events in Charlottesville over the weekend, hateful ideologies from the KKK and neo-Nazis on the right, to BLM and ANTIFA on the left, need to be identified and condemned, it’s not complicated. Like them or not the haters on the right were lawfully permitted to march. The haters on the left instigated the fighting. Pres Trump failed to come out and condemn the evil off the bat. Paul Nehlen announced he will try again to unseat House Speaker Paul Ryan. Mr Nehlen talks with Joe about his plans for a rematch.”

    There is no denying that Walsh and Trump sounded very much alike for a while. That is what makes his testimony different from a “NeverTrumper.” Walsh is someone who saw what this can lead to and caused him to change his ways. He should he judged based on what he says and does moving forward, same as Trump, who continues to ashame us at every turn.

  112. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Please show where Trump stated support for Nazis and white supremacists down in Charlottesville.

  113. jason says:

    so now corey supports an anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-jewish white nationalist?”

    Hey, whatever it takes, I guess.

    I can’t wait to see Amoral Scumbag endorse him too, a “pizzagate” and a “Seth Richards conspiracy” promoter, this should be good.

    This Joe Walsh guy is actually making Trump look good and more moderate, hilarious.

    Trump might have called Haiti a sh-thole, but he didn’t say it was because blacks run it. Trump might have suggested Obama was withholding his birth certificate because it stated he was Muslim, but hasn’t actually been calling Obama a Muslim for a decade. Trump never called Obama a traitor.

    It seems like everything the Never Trumpers were outraged about Trump, this guy Walsh always took it a step beyond.

  114. CG says:

    Trump said specifically that “there were good people on both sides” when asked directly about the violent clash that killed a person and injured others.

    No, there weren’t. Not at that rally. Walsh was correct that there were “bad people on both sides.” The person who lost her life was not a bad person though.

    Only after blowback did he try to change the story to say he was talking about those who wanted to keep Confederate statues. That was not what he was asked about.

    As for David Duke, in 1999 Trump denounced him in unmistakable terms. In 2016, after Duke endorsed him, he pretended he did not know who David Duke was and would only denounce him after he received blowback once again for not doing so. What a liar.

  115. CG says:

    I doubt Walsh ever talked about Pizzagate as a thing, unlike commenters here.

    Yes, he was harsh and bigoted against Muslims in statements he made that he now regrets. I am glad he can come to that realization.

    He has never said anything about Jews that could be considered “anti-Semitic.” After all, his wife is Jewish. That’s how it works, right?

  116. jason says:

    Washington— Big mistake in using the n word to be provocative. ”

    LOL, this is great.

    Poor Corey, he is really trying hard to convert the racist bigot into “provocative”.

    This is going to be endless entertainment, Corey defending someone he would have called a racist bigoted tea party nutcase just 2 days ago if anyone asked him.

    Now he is fit for President.

    I love it.

  117. CG says:

    Trump certainly called Obama far worse than a traitor. He claimed that Obama was illegally spying on him. People here have said far worse about Obama.

    I am glad Walsh apologized for calling Obama a traitor. Such a term is inappropriate. jason, in trying to defend Trump, now finds himself defending Obama’s policies though. Odd.

  118. CG says:

    If Joe Walsh goes around as a Presidential candidate saying bigoted or indefensible things, he should be called out on it and I would not support him.

    Let’s see what he says. I think he knows how wrong he was in the past and was mostly playing a character to appeal to an angry base of people, just like Trump continues to do.

    Remember, it took a former car thief to invent an alarm system that stops car thefts. This is the same basic principle.

  119. CG says:

    One can claim if they want to try that Walsh came across as a racist, but it is beyond illogical to not also say the same about Trump.

    Again, the difference is that Walsh has stopped doing that and has sought to make amends.

    To take the example further, there are a lot of former gang members who now preach against gangs and fight them and a lot of former white supremacists who do the same thing. Redemption is a great American quality. Walsh just needs to be redeemed for being a radio blowhard. There is really not anything he said on his show that has not been said by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the others. The difference is that the other guys decided their future was tied to bowing down and kissing the boots of Donald Trump on every possible matter.

  120. CG says:

    I have been praising Walsh for months because he has been principled about Trump on his radio show and online. I have also said I have many disagreements with Walsh.

    He is the one willing to put himself out there though and admit his role in the whole con-job that ended with Trump getting elected and is doing whatever he can to try to stop it now.

    If he were a Trump defender on the radio today, jason would be insulting anyone who would dare call him a racist. For jason, it’s only about Trump and his blind loyalty to him.

  121. jason says:

    More from the “left wing” Washington Examiner”

    Later, in 2017, Walsh encouraged the Russia-sponsored Seth Rich murder conspiracy.

    “The main networks investigating the #sethrich murder?” he asked on social media. “No? Hmm, par for the course then.”

    He tweeted later, “#sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich #sethrich cover it, media #sethrich.”

  122. CG says:

    I will point out that as much as I detest Trump, I will also defend specific things when they are unfair or taken out of context against him.

    For example, the left railed that he called immigrants “animals” once, when he clearly was talking specifically about MS-13.

    I think it was important to be fair and make that distinction just as it is to at least understand the full context of some of the things that Walsh said in the past.

  123. jason says:

    “It would be beneficial to the country and conservatism as a whole if a viable and principled Republican candidate challenged President Trump for the 2020 nomination.

    One-term congressman, conspiracist, right-wing provocateur, radio host, and supposed Tea Party stalwart Joe Walsh is not that person. Not even close…..

    Spare us the sanctimony. Only the naïve or the idiotic would be sucker enough to fall for Walsh’s ham-handed attempt to pass himself off as some sort of compassionate and reasonable conservative alternative to Trump.

    First, it is impossible not to notice that Walsh’s supposed come-to-Jesus moment coincides perfectly with his 2020 ambitions. Second, there is the matter of his history of being Trumpier than Trump. To wit, since he hitched a ride on the 2010 Tea Party wave to a single term in office, during which he managed somehow to be named “one of the most corrupt” politicians in Washington, he has made a living peddling the same sort of demagoguery, conspiracy-mongering, and right-wing bomb-throwing for which he now condemns the president”

    BINGO!

  124. CG says:

    Radio hosts have a job to try to tease their audiences. We have certainly heard plenty of Seth Rich conspiracy theories here and jason never said a word about them.

    Trump, not as a radio host, but as President, Tweets conspiracy theories.

    If Joe Walsh were to say today that Seth Rich was murdered for political reasons, then he should be ridiculed.

    I am glad though that HHR has reached the conclusion that Seth Rich was not murdered by the Clintons. It’s about time.

  125. CG says:

    And he has very openly accepted responsibility for helping pave the way for Trump and for supporting him.

    Was he wrong then? If you support Trump now, you certainly can’t claim that.

    If you never supported Trump and continue not to, at least you can welcome someone who has seen their error of their ways and seeks forgiveness.

    Those of you who are Christian would ask who among us has not been a sinner?

  126. Wes says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 27, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    “He hasn’t changed his mind that deficits don’t matter, keep printing money.”

    -Please note: This is a drastic change of policy from every other President and Congress in the last 20 years!

    Mikey, Bill Clinton and the three Republican Congresses he faced actually reduced yearly deficits and balanced the budget.

    Truth hurts, I know.

  127. CG says:

    The Washington Examiner is a Trump organ. Clearly, they are worried that Walsh is exposing Trump.

  128. jason says:

    This guy doesn’t think Sean Hannity is right wing enough…

    “I’m sick of [Fox News’ Sean Hannity] not understanding why Obama won’t criticize Islam. Sean just said Obama is clueless. He’s not clueless. He’s Muslim,” Walsh tweeted later.

    He also said, “Barack Obama doesn’t love America & is Muslim,” adding elsewhere that the then-president was a “pussy” and a “traitor.”

    Great candidate Corey. I tell you, this guy makes Trump look like a choirboy.

  129. Wes says:

    Of course Mikey is such a brainwashed Trumpkin he has to defend Trump’s New Deal-style public works initiatives by effectively saying,”Everybody does it!.”

  130. jason says:

    The Washington Examiner is a Trump organ”

    Ahhh, I see.

    But you said the criticism of Walsh was leftwing.

    I get it now, its a “Trump organ”

    Funny, though, they actually quote Walsh on everything.

  131. CG says:

    People on here over the years have said far worse about Obama and jason never raised a voice in protes.t. If Trump said that about Obama today on Twitter, jason would praise him for saying it.

    Walsh apologized to Obama and was right to do so. That does not mean that Obama was not a horri.ble President, even though jason now thinks he needs to defend Obama on those grounds.

    Again, Walsh admits to all of this. He paved the way for Trump. He helped create a monst.er and now he wants to see the mon.ster destroyed. I consider his remorse genuine. Running a qui.xot.ic campaign for President is a platform to get that remorse out in a large scale way.

  132. Wes says:

    To be fair, Mikey hasn’t gone the Paul Krugman route of defending deficits under Presidents he likes while engaging in Chicken Little rhetoric about deficits under Presidents he doesn’t like. He just claims Trump is doing what every other President since Bill Clinton has done to justify what Trump is doing.

  133. jason says:

    I think I can translate for Corey now.

    “I admit Joe Walsh was a racist bigot who promoted a bunch of racist conspiracy theories, but I believe he had a change of heart the day he announced for President. The timing was a coincidence”

  134. CG says:

    There are all sorts of Republicans who defend Trump publicly, but privately, say the exact same things about Trump that Walsh says now.

    They have to worry about losing a seat or something along those lines. Walsh only had a radio show to lose. Years from now, perhaps only a couple years from now, all sorts of voices on the right will admit they were b.s’ing their support for Trump all along. Among former Trump supporters, Walsh is ahead of the curve, along with people like George Conway, and the Mooch now.

  135. CG says:

    Whatever he was, I am glad he changed. As someone who has heard bits and pieces of his radio show for years, and have seen his Tweets presented for the last few years, I think he changed some time back. He specifically cites Helsinki as when he broke with Trump for good. That does not mean of course he became a liberal or a denizen of the pc culture.

    I never thought he would run for President. I wanted a credible conservative to take on Trump one way or another in 2020. That has not happened, so Walsh is filling a void. If Trump were not running, Walsh would not be running. If Trump stops running, Walsh should stop too. It just so happens that his particular style is going to get a lot of attention and is going to drive Trump nuts.

  136. CG says:

    It is also true that on the issues, jason would agree with Walsh more than Trump. Walsh is the one trying to fight against the “AFL-CIO conservatives.” Doesn’t somebody need to make that case?

    The one issue where jason and I may both disagree with Walsh is that Walsh still wants to “build the wall.” No different than Trump, except Walsh correctly points out that Trump has not built the wall and never intended to. It was just a talking point for Trump.

  137. jason says:

    I might have gone over the top on things I said about Obama over the years. Or Trump, actually, if I indeed said he was a fascist or a klansman.

    But I am not running for President. If I was, it would be fair to hold me to things I said whether I was over the top or not.

    The point is this Walsh guy, when it comes to racism, bigotry and conspiracy theories, and over the top right wing rhetoric and even associations, has gone a lot further than Trump ever did.

    And even if you say, ok, he is no worse than Trump, why would anyone who opposes Trump endorse someone like him?

    If you want to talk about “horrible people” this Walsh guy fits it to a tee.

    If you want to dismiss his decades of racist rhetoric as “provocative” and “trying to get an audience”… puhhhleeeze…

  138. CG says:

    No, he hasn’t gone further than Trump. You just choose to ignore the things Trump has said and done, even as you once called Trump a bigot, racist, and Klansman.

  139. Wes says:

    For the record, Trump will clobber both Walsh and Weld in the primaries. I’m not even sure about the point of their running.

  140. CG says:

    “Horrible people” can improve and become better people. That’s the bottom line.

    Plenty of people held out that hope for DJT, but he seems genuinely incapable of changing.

    It is a good thing that we have so many reformed criminals who are now on the right side of the law and have used their experience and knowledge to fight crime.

    This is the same principle.

    “Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me……”

  141. jason says:

    It is also true that on the issues, jason would agree with Walsh more than Trump. Walsh is the one trying to fight against the “AFL-CIO conservatives.” Doesn’t somebody need to make that case?”

    Zzzzzzz….. so Walsh is better on trade than Trump?

    So are a lot of other people who won’t be President.

  142. CG says:

    If Walsh had stood by Trump and was defending him and entered the news cycle for being a Trump friend/defender, jason would, in spite of Walsh’s entire history, fire back at anyone who dared call Walsh a bigot or racist. He would praise him for “not being a puppet of the MSM.”

    The only offense Walsh has committed in jason’s eyes is to dare turn on DJT.

  143. jason says:

    Horrible people” can improve and become better people. That’s the bottom line.”

    Maybe.

    I am just skeptical when they become better people when they announce for President.

  144. CG says:

    “so Walsh is better on trade than Trump?”

    Well, at least you can admit it now.

    There are not really any issues where Trump is better than Walsh.

    Judge him by the things he says and the things he proposes as a Presidential candidate. If he is no threat to stopping Trump from getting delegates (and I never said he would be), then why does he have you so jittery?

  145. CG says:

    Announcing for President is the best way for people to learn about him and his remorse. It makes perfect sense. To do so though, someone has to put they and their family through quite a wringer though.

    “I once was lost but now I’m found…”

  146. Wes says:

    I’m enjoying the Jason-Corey argument. It’s like watching the McEnroe-Gullikson tennis match of 1981 with Jason becoming outraged at what Corey says to defend Walsh and yelling his equivalent of “You can not be serious!.”

  147. CG says:

    To the best of my knowledge, Joe Walsh did not put any Donald Trump tattoos on his body, so he doesn’t have to undergo laser removal surgery like many people who had terribly misguided tattoos have to do.

    I hope the same for the rest of you.

  148. Wes says:

    Corey is a Jew singing a Christian hymn. Did I wake up in Inception?

  149. CG says:

    I’m quoting a Christian hymn. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    At least I know the words, unlike Trump.

  150. jason says:

    Contrary to what Corey said, I actually am not bothered by the racist bigot running.

    Trump now has opposition on the right and the left, allowing him to take a “middle” position.

    It will also generate some interest in the R primaries, which would otherwise just be Dem news 24/7.

    Nobody that supports Trump is going to be swayed by this supposedly reformed “ex-racist bigot”, and not even all Never Trumpers are for him, many think he is a bridge too far.

  151. CG says:

    The chronology happens to be that Walsh broke with Trump for good (while continuing to maintain he agreed with Trump Administration policies in many regards) over a year ago.

    Donald Trump literally stopped defending the Clintons the day he announced for President.

  152. CG says:

    So, should Trump agree to debate Walsh and Weld on tv?

    I hope that happens.

  153. CG says:

    Even when Walsh was continuing to defend Trump, a big theme of his radio show was that in the 2018 midterms, the Democrats were motivated and Republicans needed to match them or be prepared to suffer major losses, much like the 2010 cycle that got him elected.

    His pro-Trump callers echoed many Trump supporters on HHR by saying that such an idea was all MSM spin and that Republicans would do just fine in the midterms and he was being hysterical for no reason.

    Obviously, Walsh turned out to be right.

    He is saying now that Trump is on the path to being defeated by a Democrat, even as Trump defenders on HHR and elsewhere continue to shrug off that possibility.

    The best bet for Republicans to stop the Democrats in 2020 would be for Trump to exit the stage and for the party to put someone up without his (or Walsh’s) baggage.

  154. Wes says:

    There’s just one problem with that logic, Corey:

    Trump is a sitting President not named Chester Arthur. That effectively guarantees Trump’s renomination.

  155. CG says:

    Re-election eligible incumbents have quit before. The Mooch is predicting this will happen in March of next year. I am not getting my hopes up.

    I have never suggested that Trump was going to be dislodged via the primary process. From the get-go, I wanted to see a “center-right” candidate emerge to run as an Independent in the general election.

    Whatever the future of the Republican Party winds up being, in the short or in the long term, it needs to be said that there was at least one voice who dared challenge Donald Trump from within in the name of conservatism and moral principle.

  156. Wes says:

    Let’s see…

    Hayes quit after one term because of the agreement that made him President. Roosevelt quit to give someone else a chance while Roosevelt always planned to run again. Coolidge was tired. Truman was unpopular and lost the initial primary. Johnson realized he would probably lose and take the party down with him.

    None of those Presidents was like Trump—who is absolutely running for re-election.

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is from Walsh’s Wikipedia page. Sounds like sort of a deadbeat. Perhaps he needs to go out and get a real job.

    “Following Walsh’s victory in the 2010 Republican primary, it was reported that a bank had foreclosed on his condo and he had been evicted in October 2009, but that he and his family were living in a rented house in the Chicago North Shore suburb of Winnetka at the time. A GOP spokesman said that voters would likely identify with Walsh’s financial troubles. He was also reportedly facing a lawsuit by a former campaign manager who claimed Walsh owed him $20,000 for services[136] and had federal and state tax liens in the 1980s and 1990s (all paid by 2001). Walsh explained that the major portion of the past due taxes were on a college trust fund he received from his grandfather and that neither he nor his family had been aware that the funds were taxable. He also explained that his more recent financial struggles have made him more attuned to the difficulties faced by the average constituent.
    In July 2011, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Walsh’s ex-wife, Laura, was suing him for $117,437 for past due child support dating from 2005 for their three children. Walsh allegedly had told his ex-wife that he did not have the money because he was out of work; she had later seen from his campaign disclosures that he had been employed. Walsh’s attorney said that Walsh did not owe “anywhere near that amount,” and that he had had no more problems paying child support than “any other average guy”. Walsh and his ex-wife began working out a settlement of the disputed past due amount in late July 2011.[58] Walsh’s financial problems inspired the proposal of a bill which would forbid people owing more than $10,000 in back child support from running for office in Illinois. On April 20, 2012, a settlement was reached, and the case dismissed. As part of the settlement, Walsh issued a statement on behalf of himself and his ex-wife which read, in part, “Having resolved these issues together and cleared up these mistakes in private, we now agree that Joe is not and was not a ‘deadbeat dad’ and does not owe child support.”

    In August 2011, the Chicago Tribune reported that Walsh lost his driving privileges from mid-April to mid-July 2011 because he let his insurance lapse. In response, Walsh criticized the Tribune for “wast[ing] time and ink scrutinizing [his] driving record over the last 22 years rather than Washington’s unsustainable spending”.

    On February 1, 2013, Walsh filed a motion to terminate child support obligations, claiming that as he was now unemployed he was unable to contribute to the support of his children.”

  158. CG says:

    Trump looks very tired, and is the oldest President to ever seek reelection, and is very unpopular, but yeah, I doubt he quits. He is likely to lose and take the party down with him and will blame everyone but himself.

  159. CG says:

    Like Trump has never been accused of financial wrongdoing?

    The issue with the child support has been around since he got in Congress. Even the ex-wife said it was overblown and he has always had a good relationship with his kids who have been adults for a long time. Trump could probably take some fatherhood lessons from him.

  160. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey, Bill Clinton and the three Republican Congresses he faced actually reduced yearly deficits and balanced the budget.”

    -Wes-ley, check out the time period……sorry I was off by a year, but I am in 2020 mode already, I guess. I was speaking about the 2 prior Presidents and Congress specifically.**

    **Oh, I believe Clinton and the Republican Congress used SS & Medicare funds to “balance” the budget…….I applauded Newt and those Republican Congresses for what they tried to do, but your hero Bubba kept them from going further.

  161. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Where is the transcript? Show me where he said what you say he said. The whole transcript.

  162. CG says:

    Nobody here has yet to pick up on the biggest problem for Joe Walsh… I’ll help you out since Trump is certain to Tweet it eventually.

    He sorta looks a bit like Jeffrey Epstein.

  163. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It appears that liberals look upon Walsh as sort of a trojan horse candidate. That he is right-wing and redneck enough to appeal to Trump’s base. It is probably why the liberal media outlets, like MSNBC, are giving Walsh publicity. Its pathetic; as is one poster’s attempt to push his candidacy on this board.

  164. NYCmike says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

    Trump: “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

    After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

    “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

  165. NYCmike says:

    More Trump:

    “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

  166. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    166. “Trump could probably take some fatherhood lessons from him.”

    That is a bogus and slimy comment. Trump is very close to his family, and is totally supportive. His children are close to him, and have backed him strongly. Someone who makes a comment like this I cannot take seriously.

  167. NYCmike says:

    Of all the things to hold against Trump,racism, especially seen in the same light with policies pushed by Democrats, is utterly ridiculous.

  168. CG says:

    Q: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

    Trump: I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame object both on both sides. I have no doubt about it. You don’t have doubt about it either. If you reported it accurately, you would say that the neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. Excuse me. They didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis. You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”
    ———————————————
    The problem is he was not answering the question he was asked.

    The “pro-statue” people had demonstrated previously, days before. They were not a part of the “Unite the Right” rally that particular Saturday, which was purely a hate rally, completely and totally organized by neo-Nazi groups. If they were there, they were there in support of the hate.

    The violent clash occurred on Saturday…

    bad people on both sides? Yes. Did the right-wing bad people have a right to protest? According to the law they did. Did the left-wing bad people attempt to goad them? Yes. A right-wing bad person though killed an innocent good person willfully and hurt many others.

    There were no “good people” on that one side. Any “good person” who merely wanted to keep a dumb statue up, for whatever, reason, would have seen who the sides were that Saturday and left immediately.

  169. CG says:

    Oh, I doubt Trump is that close to some of his kids. We know that he is fond of the daughter whom he has said he might otherwise be dating. Nobody else can live up to her.

    I doubt he even remembers the other daughter’s name, the one that he asked the mother of to abort.

  170. CG says:

    Trump said that they were not reprensenting themselves as neo-Nazis, but they were marching in uniforms with tiki torches chanting, “Jews will not replace us.”

    Nothing they were there for had anything to do with a Robert E. Lee statue.

  171. CG says:

    This press conference that we both have quoted from was Trump’s third attempt to address what happened.

    The day of, he refused to acknowledge any racist aspect at all.

  172. jason says:

    Henry Olsen:

    “The willingness of some anti-Trumpers to tolerate Walsh, however, places their criticisms into perspective. Apparently, it’s okay when they wrestle with difficult moral decisions and decide to overlook the obvious and apparent unfitness of a man to become president, but it’s not okay when many conservatives look at a flawed president and make reluctant but rational decisions they disagree with.

    I know lots of anti-Trumpers — ardent progressives, centrists, disappointed conservatives and libertarians. All are motivated by sincere principles. All are deeply disturbed by Trump’s behavior and character. I understand and respect their views.

    Walsh’s candidacy forces them to make a choice. If they want people to take their moral rectitude seriously, they need to clearly and vocally reject Walsh’s effort and place their hopes in the basket of someone who isn’t Trump’s political Mini-Me. If they don’t, then it will be clear to all that they think the rest of us are, to quote Thomas Jefferson, a mere “mass of mankind … born with saddles on [our] backs” to be ridden by them, a “favored few, booted and spurred.” Or, to put it simply, they just think they’re better than the rest of us.”

  173. CG says:

    It’s simple. I reject much of Walsh’s past. So does he. That makes it easy. If he were running now to be “more Trump than Trump”, then all those words would make sense. They do not. Walsh is running to show why being Trumpish is wrong.

    Now, I want Walsh to use his knowledge and skill of Trumpian tactics to expose and personally unhinge Trump.

    It’s like when those born again prison inmates revert into character to knock some sense into little hoodlums in “Scared Straight.”

  174. CG says:

    “I know lots of anti-Trumpers…All are motivated by sincere principles. All are deeply disturbed by Trump’s behavior and character. I understand and respect their views.”

    Conceding the point jason?

    It’s about time.

    Robbie, you just got your apology from jason.

  175. CG says:

    If we NeverTrumpers were running a completely moral upstanding Mormon like Mitt Romney or Jeff Flake (which would have been my preference) none of you OnlyTrumpers would be giving us any credit for “moral rectitude.”

    So, let’s for a while, fight the battle out your way. Some of you sure seem to want to focus on it right now.

  176. CG says:

    Not a single, “GFY” directed towards me today.

    You A-holes are squishy.

    (doing it now after I pointed it out would just be sad)

  177. lisab says:

    “I know lots of anti-Trumpers…All are motivated by sincere principles. All are deeply disturbed by Trump’s behavior and character. I understand and respect their views.”

    Conceding the point jason?
    ————————————

    yeah … i don’t think he was talking about you or robbie

  178. NYCmike says:

    “It’s simple. I reject much of Walsh’s past.”

    -You don’t even have to reject Trump’s past in that regard.

    Trump was never a racist, and is not now a racist. For over 40 years he has been on the national/international stage, and charges of being a racist were not levied against him. Only after he became a REPUBLICAN Presidential candidate was he called that.

    If “CG” believes him to be a racist, than I need to put the word “racist” in quotes, as there must be 2 wildly different definitions for what “racist” means.

  179. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is this week’s Politico/Morning Consult poll:

    Politico/Morning Consult Poll
    Biden 33%
    Sanders 20%
    Warren 15%
    Harris 8%
    Buttigieg 5%
    O’Rourke 3%
    Booker 3%
    Yang 2%
    Gabbard 1%
    Castro 1%
    Klobuchar 1%
    Williamson 1,
    Steyer 1

    Biden has actually gone up 2%. The Old Bolshevik continues to be in second place.

  180. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    Orangutans speech ‘underestimated’ and like human beings…

  181. NYCmike says:

    “If we NeverTrumpers were running a completely moral upstanding Mormon like Mitt Romney or Jeff Flake…”

    -Oh Lord, here he goes again, granting sainthood to politicians, as if they sacrifice SO MUCH FOR US!

    What a loser!

    The fact you think that ANY politician is such a “moral upstanding” individual, without actually knowing that person, shows how much of a foolish naive you are.

  182. Wes says:

    This is a hilarious but true statement from RRH:

    The Democrat counterpart to the Southern Men With Female Names Caucus is the Minority Progressive Women Who Date Straight White Men Despite Their Rhetoric Caucus.

  183. CG says:

    That’s ridiculous NYC. We have been through this before. Trump and his father were sued for racist business practices by the Nixon Administration in the ’70s They paid a hefty amount of money to settle that.

    In the 80’s, there were plenty of questionable Trump quotes about race and stories about how black employees of his casi.no were barred from the floor when he was around.

    He was completely at the forefront of birtherism.

    As a Republican Presidential candidate, from the very first day, his appeals to racism were quite clear. jason even admits that Trump was a racist during the campaign, but stopped caring afterwards.

    In spite of all that, the Democrats cashed his many checks and Bill and Hillary went to his wedding. They should have known better.

  184. dblaikie says:

    This Walsh stuff may be fun, but he has no chance. What cracks me up is that the never trumpers like CG and Wormtongue always harp about Trump’s sins of the past, in short, as least for Worm, he is nonredeemable. But now we have this joke, whose past is filled with racial hatred, and they try to make excuses for it. One of the main symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome is a deep and clear hypocrisy.

  185. CG says:

    The point is that Romney and Flake have stellar personal lives without a whiff of personal scandal.

    Walsh has had some actual financial problems and been divorced and all that. He swears too. That makes him more “real” than the straight-living Republicans you have put down for years.

  186. CG says:

    I don’t think Walsh has ever been filled with “racial hatred” unless it was perhaps about Muslims. If that is the case, I have easily seen that same hatred espoused in the comment section here, meaning that very few people have the right to talk.

    But as mentioned, and certainly a man of the cloth like db should acknowledge, people are capable of change and redemption. People can be forgiven for sins.

    Am I wrong?

    The same would absolutely apply to Trump if he were ever able to own up to anything. Instead, Trump has bragged that he has never felt the need to ask the Lord for forgiveness for anything.

    So, if he doesn’t need forgiveness from the Lord, he won’t get any from me.

  187. lisab says:

    mccabe looks like he might be indicted

  188. CG says:

    In regards to Trump and race there was of course the incident, long before he ran for President, where he took out a full page ad calling for the execution of the Central Park Five.

    It is unprecedented to execute a criminal when a murder does not take place.

    In any event, years later, DNA evidence cleared all the Central Park Five, after another man confessed to the attack. Trump was asked about this and stood by his position that the Central Park Five should have been executed.

  189. lisab says:

    Idaho must pay for transgender inmate’s surgery, court rules

  190. janz says:

    #120. CG. The “good people on both sides” quote is simply isolated and accentuated from the whole context of his Charlottesville response, with the “groups” being misidentified by those who wanted to smear trump as a racist.

    The “good people” he referenced were the initial protesters – those who wanted the Lee statue removed and those who wanted it to remain. He specifically denounced white supremists and members of other violent groups. But, this clarification is lost in media bliss and never recognized by those who hate Trump

  191. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    192. “If we NeverTrumpers were running a completely moral upstanding Mormon like Mitt Romney or Jeff Flake…”

    As probably the only Mormon on this board, I can say I have participated in many private discussions among Mormons over whether some of Romney’s “vulture capitalist” corporate raider business practices were in harmony with his religion. Some view Romney’s frequent self-righteous homilies, and his constant talk of his Utah values, as an attempt to leave behind a somewhat controversial past.

    There often are comparisons made between Romney and Huntsman in Utah. They appear to represent two different types of Mormons, as was pointed out in a New Republic article:

    “Huntsman is both a product and arbiter of this new strain of Mormonism. He displays an ease in the world that Romney seems to lack: the capacity for self-awareness, and the ability, even the desire, to negotiate with the culture around him. Romney offers platitudes about the moral core of all faiths; Huntsman offers praise for Buddhist philosophy and has adopted children from India and China. Huntsman is a fan of Led Zeppelin; it’s difficult to picture Romney knowing who Led Zeppelin is.
    When Wizard had gigs in Utah bars, young Jon Huntsman reported for duty, wearing—as was required by law—a tag around his neck announcing his underage status. Thirty years later, Governor Huntsman signed into law an overhaul of Utah’s arcane alcohol regulations, imposed in the early twentieth century by lawmakers who believed they were being faithful to the Word of Wisdom, which warns Mormons against alcohol, coffee, tea, and tobacco. Just so, Huntsman’s reform marks him equally as faithful—though perhaps, not quite to the same brand of faith.”

    I respect Romney, voted for him in 2012 and would do so again, but have never been comfortable with his role at Bain — Huntsman would in my view serve as a better role model.

  192. Bitterlaw says:

    CC

  193. NYCmike says:

    “CG” keeps rehabbing the same old tired b*llsh*t about racism and Trump.

    One more person, and this one is supposedly a “lifelong conservative Republican”, who accepts the MSM reporting as gospel-truth.

    Nixon, Reagan, and both Bush-bots were racists as well, according to the same people.

    Such nonsense.

    And as for the Central Park Five, why don’t you send a letter to the Pope and ask him to make those boys saints? Maybe he will look to curry favor with a young, Jewish Republican.

  194. Bitterlaw says:

    The only racist thing Trump did was rant about the Mexican judge who was an American citizen. Trump is scum but not a racist.

  195. janz says:

    Bitter, the judge was loosely affiliated with La Raza, considered a radical Mexican group advocating to take back the SW portion of the US they earlier lost. Trump thought he might have been biased towards him when he was chosen as the one to oversee his Trump University lawsuit (considering his stance against illegal immigration), which is why he objected to him ruling on that lawsuit.

    Also, later on it was revealed that this same judge is on the FISA court, and may have been the one ruling on the FISA warrants that let what is now called “spy gate” to proceed.

    I don’t think Trump is racist, nor do I think he is scum. IMO, Trump is a harsh-toned, unpredictable man who has different and sometimes extraordinary business instincts.

  196. jason says:

    Corey now thinks I believe everything I post here?

    Harry Olsen respects NeverTrumpers

    I think NeverTrumpers are complete morons.

    I hope that is clear now.

  197. jason says:

    So in the end, the only supposedly conservative, Republican or libertarian here that will support the racist bigot for President is Corey. And maybe Amoral Scumbag, although I think even he won’t go for a birther and a Seth Richards conspiracy advocate. Not because of any moral issue, he has no morals, but because it would just be too much hypocrisy even for him.

  198. jason says:

    Maybe I should ask for forgiveness for having been a NeverTrumper.

    I know Corey will forgive me, I don’t know if others would be that generous.

  199. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz – Nice try. Trump did not make the point you made for him. He just did not want “that Mexican” Hearing his case.

    Trump is scum.

  200. jason says:

    CG says:
    August 27, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Not a single, “GFY” directed towards me today.

    You A-holes are squishy.”

    A-holes have their standards, and GFYs are special.

    Sorry.

    However, this A-hole is amused Corey, the most sanctimonious ass ever to post here, is now supporting a tea party racist bigot birther associated with white supremacists and anti-semites and Seth Richards conspiracy theory advocate for President.

    Probably the most epic meltdown of arrogant pseudo moral superiority of all time here.

  201. jason says:

    Bitter is correct.

    The judge is American citizen and a federal judge no less.

    Calling him a “Mexican” was racist, pure and simple.

    Whether he was sympathetic to La Raza or a John Bircher did not justify that.

    janz goes a little to far sometimes trying to defend the indefensible.

  202. dblaikie says:

    CG you need to read my posts more. Wormtongue had a huge fit when I dared mention redemption concerning Trump. As far as I can see concerning religious matters he has been fine as President. I am a pro life voter. It is my bottom line issue. And Trump has been more supportive of that cause than any other since Roe vs. Wade. He has also been great about the issue of freedom of religion and the right to for church’s to freely proclaim their views without fear of government interference.

    CG you and Worm continue to throw sexual sin at us with the President. Concerning that I believe that besides the Lord, the only people he needs to deal with on those personal issues is his wife and children. I believe he has done that. However beyond that let’s just tell the truth that Presidents concerning adultery and sex have feet of clay. Kennedy, Johnson, and Clinton were inappropriate WHILE IN OFFICE. This clap trap that somehow Trump is on another level is just more hypocrisy.

    Finally I need to unload just a little bit about Charlottesville. Yes there were white supremacists there. No one denies that the clan was there. However there were good people there too who were concerned about their heritage and tearing it down. Robert E. Lee has been and is a revered person in southern history for millions. He didn’t own slaves his wife did. He didn’t own a plantation Mary Custis Lee did. It is called Arlington. He was wrong but he put his state above the Country — like many in the South. Like many he honestly viewed Lincoln’s calling of volunteers an invasion of his home. Frankly it was since Arlington is right across the river. If Virginia had not succeeded he would have remained in the Army.

    Frankly I tire of hypocrites who have the nerve to judge another culture in history by our standards. We ought to look at our huge faults before we dare to judge people who lived before us. When I consider the plight of the unborn, the addicted, and the lost in our own time, I can only think how dare we judge another time. What self-righteous, unmitigated arrogance!!!

  203. jason says:

    which is why he objected to him ruling on that lawsuit.”

    Object?

    He called a US federal judge a “Mexican”.

    Let’s get real.

  204. NYCmike says:

    “CG” mentions the Central Park Five more than he mentions any victims from the Chicago weekly shooting gallery, or any of the 2000+ annual victims from the late 80’s/early 90’s NYC, which is the context in which Trump made his remarks about those “innocent” kids.

  205. dblaikie says:

    Jason I agree. Trump was very wrong to do that. Often when we are angry we say stuff we regret. I know I do. That is one place where Trump needs to admit he was wrong, apologize and move on.

  206. dblaikie says:

    Jason, Trump was also very wrong and hurtful in his comments about John McCain. In his service to the country, even though I had huge issues with him, he deserved respect and gratitude. Another low point with Trump and I believe it has hurt him politically.

  207. dblaikie says:

    Just got a call from the Biden Campaign inviting me to Clinton College in Rock Hill, SC to meet Uncle Joe. I have half a mind to go and talk with him about the advantages of moving into an adult care facility.

  208. jason says:

    Walsh has had some actual financial problems”

    Translation: deadbeat who failed to make child support payments, even as he was loaning money to his own campaign.

    Heck of a candidate, Corey.

  209. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    218 Maybe his new liberal friends at places like MSNBC are opening some financial opportunities for him?

    The clown tried to avoid paying to support his own kids; and he wants to be president?

  210. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is a bitter, vindictive bastard. I usually admire those traits but he just bugs me.

  211. jason says:

    Trump could probably take some fatherhood lessons from him.”

    Actually, no, anyone who doesn’t make child support payments is hardly an example.

    As far as Trump is concerned, what is the fatherhood problem exactly? He seems like a great father, and has raised fine children. His children seem to be very close to him.

  212. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Walsh needs to set up a new political action committee: “Deadbeat Dads for Walsh”.

  213. jason says:

    Trump is vindictive and petty, but bitter?

    No.

  214. John says:

    Consumer Confidence just reported at near a 19 year high…135.8.
    BUT “the present situation index, a measure of how consumers view the economy right now, rose to 177.2 from 170.9 (the highest since 2000).
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/consumers-still-very-confident-in-the-us-economy-despite-festering-china-trade-war-2019-08-27

  215. jason says:

    I don’t think Walsh has ever been filled with “racial hatred” unless it was perhaps about Muslims”

    LOL

    Corey keeps digging, that one is just great.

    Hitler hated more than Jews, true, but if he “just” hated Jews I guess under Corey’s theory it would have been ok.

  216. Wes says:

    I don’t know why people on here are concerned about Walsh. He has exactly a 0% chance of beating Trump in the primary.

  217. Wes says:

    I don’t know if hatred of Muslims is racial hatred since Muslims are a religion. By the way, Arabs—the ethnic group most associated with Islam—are ethnically white.

  218. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Watch this short video clip of Biden, and tell me he is not suffering from neurological issues.

    https://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1166119781847773184

  219. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I think I know bitterness pretty well.

    – BITTERlaw

  220. jason says:

    “It’s simple. I reject much of Walsh’s past.”

    Past? You mean like when he was young, 20, 30 years ago?

    Or 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 when he was making racist statements as he himself admits?

    That is the “past”?

    Really?

  221. jason says:

    Ma, I KNEW that bait would work….

  222. lisab says:

    but because it would just be too much hypocrisy even for him.

  223. jason says:

    don’t know why people on here are concerned about Walsh. He has exactly a 0% chance of beating Trump in the primary.”

    I am not concerned about Walsh.

    If Corey hadn’t endorsed him I would have ignored him, I even said “who” when someone else said he was running.

    But I love the fact the sanctimonious ass, who pretended he was taking the high road when it came to Trump, actually now endorses someone who has said things far worse than anything Trump ever said.

    Basically admits it was all BS, he still can’t forgive Trump for kicking Jeb Bush’s ass. That is what it is all about. He has no “moral” objection to Trump, or he wouldn’t endorse “Trumpy before Trump”.

  224. lisab says:

    nah …

  225. jason says:

    Corey now thinks I believe everything I post here?”

    I better correct this before Corey claims I don’t mean what I say.

    It should read “Corey now thinks I believe everything I link here”?

  226. jason says:

    I have a feeling Amoral Scumbag won’t endorse Walsh.

    A racist tea partier and Seth Richards conspiracy theory advocate?

    A bridge too far. But I could be wrong, the guy has the morals of a floating turd.

  227. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It appears Walsh’s campaign was a PR stun. If his campaign manager was not involved, who set up the interviews with the liberal media, such as MSBNC? Who sent out the talking points, which dolts used to push Walsh’s candidacy on blogs?

    “Former Rep. Joe Walsh’s campaign manager says the Illinois Republican all-but ignored his phone calls and communications before officially launching his long-shot White House bid.

    “As of this morning, it has been eight days and 23 unanswered phone calls since I last spoke with Joe,” Jacob Perry, a Republican operative who signed up as Walsh’s campaign manager, told a group of potential campaign staffers

    “[I]t’s the first time in my entire career that I’ve been hired to run a campaign and then been completely ghosted by the candidate,” Perry wrote in the Aug. 16 memo. “It’s obvious to me that the campaign plan that we have all worked hard on together in anticipation of a launch today isn’t going to happen, so I am officially releasing all of you from your obligations and agreements.”

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/27/joe-walsh-trump-election/
    p

  228. Proud Obamacon says:

    More farms in Iowa going bankrupt. Hey, no problem for the Pussy Grabber. After all he says bankruptcies are “Good Business!” What a dumbfukk. Is it 1/20/2021 yet?

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHH

  229. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    236. Warren and Bernie support tariffs too.

    “Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Sunday that she approves of President Trump’s move to bring tariffs into the trade conversation. “What I’d like to see us do is rethink all of our trade policy. And, I have to say, when President Trump says he’s putting tariffs on the table, I think tariffs are one part of reworking our trade policy overall,” she told CNN’s Jim Acosta on State of the Union.”

  230. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Trump tariffs are amazing. Warren tariffs would be terrible. NYC can explain the difference.

  231. lisab says:

    warren will put tariffs on the usa

  232. Wes says:

    You and Mikey support tariffs too, SDC. You should be happy if Warren or Sanders beats Trump.

  233. jason says:

    Of course Warren and Sanders support the AFL-CIO agenda that Trump does.

    The AFL-CIO has spent hundred of millions to support liberals and defeat conservatives.

  234. jason says:

    The Marxist turd is worried about Iowa farmers?

    I think they should worry more about being turned into communes when the commies take over.

    Michael Dukakis will be de-mothballed and in charge of forcing the communal farmers to grow Belgian endive.

  235. lisab says:

    Transgender Model Mia Isabella Confirms Colin Kaepernick Relationship

  236. jason says:

    Let the kneeling jokes begin.

  237. New York City says:

    SDC – Trump tariffs are amazing. Warren tariffs would be terrible. NYC can explain the difference.”

    You rannnnngggggg?

    TrumpTariffs are much better than other tariffs.

    No, they won’t work, so in that respect they are similar to regular tariffs, but what is different is that these tariffs are designed to promote free trade, while the other tariffs are protectionist and isolationist.

    Hope it is clear now.

  238. jason says:

    I think one positive development of a Warren presidency is that NYC will go back to “hating” tariffs. And deficits. And pork.

    Ok, that might be three positive developments, sue me.

  239. jason says:

    Maddow’s TV Ratings Fall Again As Hannity, Carlson Remain On Top”

    I blame the implosion of the collusion BS.

  240. Bronxie says:

    Trump is not responsible for proposing stupid failed policies as long as other Presidents also proposed stupid failed policies. He is also not responsible for signing bad legislation into law because his signing hand does what it wants.

  241. Brandon says:

    Just need to focus on holding the Senate at this point.

  242. Robbie says:

    Sean Colarossi
    @SeanColarossi
    NEW 2020 general election poll from
    @QuinnipiacPoll
    :
    Biden 54% / Trump 38%
    Sanders 53% / Trump 39%
    Warren 52% / Trump 40%
    Harris 51% / Trump 40%
    Buttigieg 49% / Trump 40%

    – I know this is hard for the sycophants and shills to hear, but your MAGA daddy is all but finished. Q polls skew a bit to the left so shave a few points off if you want.

    Regardless, the story is the same. MAGA daddy trails the top Democrats despite a good economy. He’s worn out the country and it’s only going to get worse over the next 14 months.

    It’s time to convince Romney, Haley, Kasich, Rubio, or anyone else credible to jump in the race while there’s still time. Otherwise, 2020 is going to be a rout.

  243. Robbie says:

    Josh Kraushaar
    @HotlineJosh

    Biggest takeaway from the Quinnipiac poll: Trump job approval on the ECONOMY is underwater for the first time in a while. (46/49 approve/disapprove).

    Big. Red. Flag.

    – What does MAGA daddy have if he’s doesn’t have the economy to brag about at his rallies?

  244. Robbie says:

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers

    MICHIGAN General Election Matchup:

    Biden 51
    Trump 41

    Warren 49
    Trump 43

    Sanders 48
    Trump 44

    Harris 46
    Trump 43

    EPIC-MRA Poll

    – Time for more patriotic tariffs!

  245. jason says:

    Dang, Amoral Scumbag didn’t jump on Corey’s Joe Walsh bandwagon?

    There are only 2 Never Trumper morons here, and they can’t agree on a fictional challenger to Trump?

  246. jason says:

    It’s time to convince Romney, Haley, Kasich, Rubio, or anyone else credible to jump in the race while there’s still time”

    LOL

    BROKERED CONVENTION!

    CONVENTION REBELLION!

    Every 4 years, same idiotic fantasies, same broken record.

  247. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie:These Quinn Polls are horrible for yours and our President. You are aware though that in its last 2018 Florida Senate and Governor’s Poll, Quinn had the winning Republican candidates each losing by about 7 pts.?
    I believe in 2016, Quinn had Mrs. Clinton ahead of Trump in Ohio, which The Donald carried by 8%.
    The Michigan Poll looks like 2016 deja vue!

  248. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag doesn’t just want a socialist in 2020.

    He actually wants the economy to tank so a socialist is sure to win.

    But I have to give Amoral Scumbag credit, at least he didn’t endorse Walsh.

    He might have the morals of a floating turd, but at least he didn’t go that far.

  249. jason says:

    The other way to look at the MI poll is that Trump is competitive there except against Biden.

    And Biden might not even be the nominee.

  250. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie: Catch what the eeyores at Red Racing Horses are saying about today’s Quinn Poll.

    https://rrhelections.com/index.php/2019/08/28/political-roundup-for-august-28-2019/#comments

  251. jason says:

    I have news for Amoral Scumbag.

    Scumbag Romney is not running. But if he does I will re-register as an R in the PA primary just to vote for Trump ( I would vote against Romney, but that option only exists in fancy precincts like Bitter’s)

    Btw, is this the same Romney that Amoral Scumbag celebrated his defeat to Obama in 2012. Just asking…

    Haley, Kasich and Rubio aren’t running either.

    But Amoral Scumbag has some good options… the racist bigot or the falling down drunk.

  252. Robbie says:

    Jamie Dupree
    @jamiedupree

    URGENT — Sen Johnny Isakson R-GA to resign at the end of 2019

    – Which retrograde will Trump convince Kemp to choose who will then lose the seat next year?

  253. Brandon says:

    I’m guessing Stacey Abrams will get into the race to get revenge for the Governor’s race that was stolen from her. /s

  254. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 10:18 am
    Dang, Amoral Scumbag didn’t jump on Corey’s Joe Walsh bandwagon?
    There are only 2 Never Trumper morons here, and they can’t agree on a fictional challenger to Trump?

    – I wear the Never Trump badge proudly. He has been a disaster and he demeans the office every day he’s in office. I am not going to vote for anyone in 2020 unless I decide to write someone in as I did in 2016. Probably George H. W. Bush.

    Of course, you once felt that way about Trump until he accidentally won and you decided he must be supported even if that means he destroys an unlosable House majority in 2018 or loses the presidency by a rout that gives Democrats the Senate as well.

    But keep slobbering all overt your MAGA daddy. No doubt, you support Trump use of eminent domain to steal ranchers land to build his moronic wall.

  255. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    August 28, 2019 at 10:23 am
    Robbie:These Quinn Polls are horrible for yours and our President. You are aware though that in its last 2018 Florida Senate and Governor’s Poll, Quinn had the winning Republican candidates each losing by about 7 pts.?
    I believe in 2016, Quinn had Mrs. Clinton ahead of Trump in Ohio, which The Donald carried by 8%.
    The Michigan Poll looks like 2016 deja vue!

    – Hey, moron. Did you miss the part where I wrote, “Q polls skew a bit to the left so shave a few points off if you want.”? It was the second sentence, Trump shill.

  256. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    August 28, 2019 at 10:28 am
    Robbie: Catch what the eeyores at Red Racing Horses are saying about today’s Quinn Poll.
    https://rrhelections.com/index.php/2019/08/28/political-roundup-for-august-28-2019/#comments

    – Unskew! Unskew! Unskew!

    The delbov curve says everything is ok and McCain is headed to a shocking victory.

  257. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 10:23 am
    Amoral Scumbag doesn’t just want a socialist in 2020.
    He actually wants the economy to tank so a socialist is sure to win.

    – I want a Republican to win in 2020. A real, sane Republican. That’s why I’ve been advocating for someone to challenge Trump for nearly two years.

    You, on the other hand, are totally ok with a mentally unwell NYC conman being the president. And yes, Trump is in mental decline. If he had a D next to his name, you would agree with me, but you’re a fraud so you just grunt MAGA.

    And predictably, you seem unconcerned about the long-term health of the party because otherwise you would realize if trump won again the party would be dealt nuclear winter style defeats in 2022 and 2024.

    But put that red hat on nice and tight, fraud.

  258. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 10:31 am
    Scumbag Romney is not running. But if he does I will re-register as an R in the PA primary just to vote for Trump ( I would vote against Romney, but that option only exists in fancy precincts like Bitter’s)

    – That’s because you are what you’ve always been, a fraud.

    If you’d choose Trump over Romney, then you’re choosing a wanna be authoritarian in mental decline who is wrecking trade around the world with tariffs you claim to oppose.

    By the way, you’re not fooling me. I know you’re fine with Trump’s tariffs. You’ve just decided to pretend you don’t like them so you can claim you’re not totally in the tank for Trump like NYCmoron, Tinfoil Tina, or the other idiots.

    You want plausible deniability so you can back away from Trump the day after 2020 when he loses.

  259. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #260- Robbie
    First, the proper word is “reprobate” and not “retrograde”.
    Second, here is the short list of replacements for J. Isaacson(R-GA). (Add Nathan Deal and Sonny Perdue to the list.)Do you have a favorite “retrograde”?

    “It’s not yet clear who Kemp will appoint to Isakson’s seat, though potential candidates include Attorney General Chris Carr, Georgia Senate Pro Tem Butch Miller and U.S. Rep. Doug Collins.”

    Lastly, show some class for the first time in your life. Isaacson is very ill with Parkinson’s and had a bad fall recently. Why is it so hard for you to wish him well!?

  260. Waingro says:

    Does Georgia have any type of statutory deadline for when the next “regularly scheduled election” goes into effect for a Senate vacancy?

    I know, for example, Arizona had a very tightly written statute that allowed McCain essentially to “hold on” past a deadline date to push off the election.

  261. Robbie says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    ….And by the way, I’m the best thing that’s ever happened to Puerto Rico!

    – Only a very stable genius would tweets this.

    I look forward to the “well acksully, Trump is muh greatest thing to ever happen to Puerto Rico.”

  262. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:01 am
    Lastly, show some class for the first time in your life. Isaacson is very ill with Parkinson’s and had a bad fall recently. Why is it so hard for you to wish him well!?

    – LOL! A Trumper demands someone show class. That’s rich.

    By the way, when did I fail to show respect for Isaacson?

  263. Waingro says:

    Nevermind. Found it. Double barrel election it is! (Gulp.)

    “Whenever a vacancy shall occur in the representation of this state in the Senate of the United States, such vacancy shall be filled for the unexpired term by the vote of the electors of the state at a special election to be held at the time of the next November state-wide general election, occurring at least 40 days after the occurrence of such vacancy; and it shall be the duty of the Governor to issue his or her proclamation for such election. Until such time as the vacancy shall be filled by an election as provided in this Code section, the Governor may make a temporary appointment to fill such vacancy.”

    https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-21/chapter-2/article-14/section-21-2-542/

  264. Robbie says:

    Greg Bluestein
    @bluestein

    U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson said Wednesday he was stepping down from office at the end of 2019 as he struggles with Parkinson’s disease, setting up two elections for U.S. Senate in Georgia in 2020

    – Here’s your answer, Waingro.

  265. dblaikie says:

    I have learned not to condemn polls I don’t like. Instead I have learned to try and understand them. For me the main thing I have to do is decide the motive behind the poll. Is the meant to give an accurate picture of the electorate or is the purpose to move a narrative. This gets hard because no firm would admit to the latter. But with Quinnipiac Polls this is easy. Even Wormtongue admitted their bias. Frankly if you want to believe that Uncle Joe, Warren and Sanders are well over 20 points ahead with Indies then be my guest. The truth is to drive a narrative quinnipiac is among the best.

    But what strikes me about this poll is how far this college polling firm has reached — way over the level credibility. In this contrarian view this poll reveals panic. And for me is why they would put out something that is so far from reality. Is it to drive the news cycle — maybe. Is it to discourage Trump supporters — perhaps. Is it to encourage dispirited Democrats and never Trumpers — I tend to think so. So Worm enjoy your propaganda.

  266. Waingro says:

    #272, yeah, I saw that tweet Robbie, but the GA statute I cite above at #271, more completely answers my question.

  267. Robbie says:

    Allahpundit
    @allahpundit

    If Trump craters next year, Dems now have a chance to pick up not one but two Senate seats in Georgia

    – Add to that ME, NC, AZ, and a few others.

  268. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:11 am
    I have learned not to condemn polls I don’t like. Instead I have learned to try and understand them. For me the main thing I have to do is decide the motive behind the poll. Is the meant to give an accurate picture of the electorate or is the purpose to move a narrative. This gets hard because no firm would admit to the latter. But with Quinnipiac Polls this is easy. Even Wormtongue admitted their bias. Frankly if you want to believe that Uncle Joe, Warren and Sanders are well over 20 points ahead with Indies then be my guest. The truth is to drive a narrative quinnipiac is among the best.
    But what strikes me about this poll is how far this college polling firm has reached — way over the level credibility. In this contrarian view this poll reveals panic. And for me is why they would put out something that is so far from reality. Is it to drive the news cycle — maybe. Is it to discourage Trump supporters — perhaps. Is it to encourage dispirited Democrats and never Trumpers — I tend to think so. So Worm enjoy your propaganda.

    – Shorter “guy who predicted Republicans would basically break even in the House in 2018”: I learned not to condemn polls I don’t like, but I don’t like this poll so I’m condemning it.

  269. Robbie says:

    If Kemp wants to lose the GA special, he should pick Trump lackey Doug Collins.

  270. Big Joe says:

    It was looking like a boring 2020 election year in GA. But as they say, sh!t just got real.

    Stacy Abrams didn’t want to run against Sen. Purdue. But running against an appointed Senator is much different. I would expect her to take a serious look at Sen. Isakson’s seat.

    Big Joe

  271. Waingro says:

    “– Add to that ME, NC, AZ, and a few others.”

    I think AZ might be gone either way. I’m still bullish on Collins in ME even with a Dem landslide win. I agree that NC could be a prime opportunity for Dems in a blue wave cycle though.

  272. Waingro says:

    Abrams says she is still not running. I HIGHLY doubt this is the end of this though:

    https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1166732743562137603

  273. jason says:

    like, but I don’t like this poll so I’m condemning it.”

    Funny, coming from the king of poll cherry picking.

    You have to admire the chutzpah.

  274. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:20 am
    “– Add to that ME, NC, AZ, and a few others.”
    I think AZ might be gone either way. I’m still bullish on Collins in ME even with a Dem landslide win. I agree that NC could be a prime opportunity for Dems in a blue wave cycle though.

    – Susan Collins is a survivor, but strange/unexpected things happen in wave years and I think 2020 looks worse at this point than 2018 did at this point in 2017.

    I expect Trump will get just about what he got in 2016, 45% or 46%. But if he craters (a real possibility) to 42% or lower, he’ll drag down people we never expected.

  275. Waingro says:

    #282, again, I’m not worried about Collins. Early polling has her up I think by 14-15 points on Gideon, and I think there is a leftist independent running as well, which will only siphon off more support for the Dem.

  276. jason says:

    ou, on the other hand, are totally ok with a mentally unwell ”

    Is that what your debunked fake psychologist that you were so excited about said?

  277. jason says:

    If Trump craters next year, Dems now have a chance to pick up not one but two Senate seats in Georgia”

    Sounds like Amoral Scumbag’s prediction that Rs would lose what, 7 seats in 2016 because of Trump.

    zzzzzzzz….

  278. jason says:

    “By the way, you’re not fooling me. I know you’re fine with Trump’s tariffs.”

    LOL

    Bitter, can I have like a sh-tload of points.

    Thanks.

  279. Waingro says:

    Another caveat with the GA Senate races: it would go to a runoff in early January if no one gets 50% + 1. That should at least nominally help out the GOP I would think.

  280. jason says:

    If you’d choose Trump over Romney, then you’re choosing a wanna be authoritarian in mental decline who is wrecking trade around the world with tariffs you claim to oppose.”

    You chose Obama over Romney, GFY.

    I might agree with Romney on trade, but now that he is an MSM toady whose only purpose is to ingratiate himself with the people who (like you) did everything to destroy his candidacy with lies and falsehoods, I wouldn’t support him for dog catcher.

  281. Waingro says:

    3288, did Robbie seriously support Barry over Romney?!

  282. jason says:

    If Kemp wants to lose the GA special, he should pick Trump lackey Doug Collins.”

    Didn’t Amoral Scumbag call DeSantis a Trump lackey too?

    How did that turn out?

  283. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:36 am
    ou, on the other hand, are totally ok with a mentally unwell ”
    Is that what your debunked fake psychologist that you were so excited about said?

    – If you think Trump acts like a normal adult of his age, then you must spend a lot of your time in a nursing home memory care wing.

    If Trump were the CEO of any Fortune 500 company, the board would’ve met long ago to remove him. You know that, but you’re fraud so you continue to support a mentally unwell person who is leading the party and the conservative movement to disaster.

    But he’s your MAGAdaddy so you’re cool with it.

  284. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:37 am
    If Trump craters next year, Dems now have a chance to pick up not one but two Senate seats in Georgia”
    Sounds like Amoral Scumbag’s prediction that Rs would lose what, 7 seats in 2016 because of Trump.
    zzzzzzzz….

    – Reminds me of your prediction Trump would lose in 2016 as well.

    Also, it reminds me of my prediction made in October 2017 that Republicans could lose as many as 40 House seats in 2018. How many House seats did Republicans lose in 2018, Jason fraud?

  285. jason says:

    He campaigned against Romney here up to the last day of the GE, and said he would be here to celebrate Obama’s victory because we ridiculed his silly “brokered convention” idea (to anoint Jeb Bush the nominee).

    During the primaries and the GE campaign, he regurgitated every MSM talking point against Romney here, nothing was ever too low.

    The dog on the roof, the caddies, the horse, the elevator, the vulture capitalist canard, Romney’s religion, his family, 47%, you name it, every left wing character assassination was just fine with him.

    Now he pretends he would prefer Romney over Trump.

    As I said before, it was never about Trump. He did the same thing with Rubio, Kasich, Christie, any other R not named Jeb. He would do the same thing with Pence, Haley, you name it.

    As Bitter said the other day, Amoral Scumbag wants Republicans to win, just not the Republicans that are nominated.

  286. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:43 am
    You chose Obama over Romney, GFY.

    – Except I voted for Romney, Jason fraud.

    This is what I love about simpletons like you. You find it inconceivable someone can criticize a candidate and still be supportive of him or her.

    Normal people, of which you’re not, are capable of holding two competing thoughts about things.

  287. jason says:

    If you think Trump acts like a normal adult of his age, then you must spend a lot of your time in a nursing home memory care wing.”

    I am sure you read a lot about Trump being mentally ill over at your favorite moonbat sites.

    But this is the real world, and there is nothing wrong with Trump’s mental state.

    He certainly is a lot smarter than you are.

  288. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:45 am
    3288, did Robbie seriously support Barry over Romney?!

    – No. Jason fraud just gets his adult diapers in wad because I dared to point out that Romney ran at best a mediocre campaign in 2016.

  289. Phil says:

    Sitting here sipping my morning coffee and I see the king of snark has come out from under his rock. Probably posting while he watches his gals on The View.

  290. jason says:

    holding two competing thoughts about things.”

    Yep, voting for Romney and celebrating Obama’s win are certainly “competing thoughts”.

  291. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:45 am
    If Kemp wants to lose the GA special, he should pick Trump lackey Doug Collins.”
    Didn’t Amoral Scumbag call DeSantis a Trump lackey too?
    How did that turn out?

    – I also called your boy Roy Moore a Trump lackey who would lose an unlosable Senate seat. How’d that work out, fraud?

  292. jason says:

    I dared to point out that Romney ran at best a mediocre campaign in 2016.”

    I give that the understatement award of the decade.

    Amoral Scumbag really does fit his nickname so well.

  293. Waingro says:

    ” Romney ran at best a mediocre campaign in 2016.”

    I think you mean 2012. But I agree, more so in hindsight admittedly. I do remember how Pro/Bullish Romney this comment section was during that election — myself included.

  294. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:51 am
    As Bitter said the other day, Amoral Scumbag wants Republicans to win, just not the Republicans that are nominated.

    – Except I voted for Dole, GWB twice, McCain, and Romney. I wanted them all to win.

    I didn’t vote for Trump and neither did you. I just didn’t trade in my principles for red hat like you did after he accidentally won.

  295. dblaikie says:

    So Worm let me ask you a question which poll do you tend to believe Quinnipiac or Monmouth College? With their totally opposite results concerning the Democratic Nomination were they trying to be accurate or drive a narrative? If the former is true than one of these firms is incompetent. If the latter is true than Monmouth wants to drive the narrative that Uncle Joe is in deep trouble and Quinnipiac wants to support the narrative that the race is static and Biden is doing fine. If the latter is true they craft their sample and questions to reach a certain conclusion. I believed for both college firms the latter is true.

  296. jason says:

    I also called your boy Roy Moore a Trump lackey who would lose an unlosable Senate seat.”

    Wow, how is that for intellectual dishonesty.

    “My boy”. Nobody was more opposed to Roy Moore here than I was.

    And Trump endorsed Strange, not Moore.

    You really don’t know when one lie starts and the other one ends.

  297. jason says:

    I just didn’t trade in my principles”

    Yeah, that would be impossible, unless you defrauded someone.

    You don’t have any principles.

  298. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:51 am
    Now he pretends he would prefer Romney over Trump.

    – I would take Romney over Trump eight days a week. The same goes for any real Republican like Kasich, Rubio, Sasse, Haley, Pence, Christie, Jeb, or any other credible national candidate.

    I think any one of the people I mentioned would easily win in 2020. Unfortunately, sycophants like you demand we renominate the only person who will lose.

  299. jason says:

    – Except I voted for Dole, GWB twice, McCain, and Romney. I wanted them all to win.”

    Pathological liar.

  300. Phil says:

    He “ran and didn’t walk” to vote for all of them.

  301. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:54 am
    Sitting here sipping my morning coffee and I see the king of snark has come out from under his rock. Probably posting while he watches his gals on The View.

    – That’s no way to talk about Jason fraud.

    I guess you’re over the moon Trump wants to use eminent domain to steal land from private citizens to build his wall?

  302. Robbie says:

    Waingro says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:58 am
    ” Romney ran at best a mediocre campaign in 2016.”
    I think you mean 2012. But I agree, more so in hindsight admittedly. I do remember how Pro/Bullish Romney this comment section was during that election — myself included.

    – Yes, 2012. Apologies.

  303. jason says:

    – I would take Romney over Trump eight days a week. The same goes for any real Republican like Kasich, Rubio, Sasse, Haley, Pence, Christie, Jeb, or any other credible national candidate.”

    No you wouldn’t. We know your M.O.

    You would be here with the moonbat talking points against them on day 1.

    It is not about Trump. Never was. You have no morals. Your are just a despicable, lying POS.

    Same broken record over a decade.

    Nobody believes anything you say here, except maybe Corey, and I think even he knows you are a pathological liar, he just agrees with your anti-Trump rhetoric.

  304. jason says:

    He “ran and didn’t walk” to vote for all of them.”

    Right, but he celebrated when Rs lost because he has “competing thoughts”.

  305. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:59 am
    I also called your boy Roy Moore a Trump lackey who would lose an unlosable Senate seat.”
    Wow, how is that for intellectual dishonesty.
    “My boy”. Nobody was more opposed to Roy Moore here than I was.
    And Trump endorsed Strange, not Moore.

    – LOL. When the party was begging the Alabama governor to postpone the election, she wouldn’t do it because Trump had already gotten behind good ole Roy, your boy. Or did you forget the tweets Donnie sent?

  306. jason says:

    I do remember how Pro/Bullish Romney this comment section was during that election — myself included.”

    Romney was the best candidate Rs could run in 2012.

    Sometimes your best candidate loses anyway.

    Amoral Scumbag was heavily invested in him losing, same as he was with Trump in 2016 and will be in 2020.

    Same M.O. over and over.

  307. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    He “ran and didn’t walk” to vote for all of them.

    – That’s 100% right. I knew Dole, McCain, and Romney would lose, but I still wanted them to win.

    Apparently, you’re like Jason fraud. You can’t imagine someone can complain about the candidate or campaign and still support them.

  308. jason says:

    When the party was begging the Alabama governor to postpone the election, she wouldn’t do it”

    That was a stupid idea, I was against it too at the time.

    It would have changed nothing, Moore would still have been the candidate.

    If the “party” had really wanted to stop Moore, they should never have let him run as a Republican. The guy was absolute scum who had no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law, lost his position twice as AL supreme court chief justice because he refused to uphold the law, yet he was allowed to run as a R.

  309. Phil says:

    Jones is toast. Say hello to Senator Tommy Tuberville.

  310. jason says:

    ou can’t imagine someone can complain about the candidate or campaign and still support them.”

    You never supported Romney. You were advocating for denying him the nomination after he had already won it, just like you did with Trump.

    You said you were going to celebrate Obama’s win.

    You could have supported Romney after he was the nominee, but you chose to keep attacking him, not Obama, all the way to election day.

    Amoral Scumbag and pathological liar.

    Of course, Wormtongue is good too.

  311. janz says:

    Well, I see the latest Quinnipiac Poll has been flung around here, to the delight of some posters. In fact, looking at Drudge this morning it seems like a site that has nothing but doom and gloom to report. And, then you have Kasich, of all people, saying he sees no path in beating Trump. It becomes more and more difficult to assess what is really going on in the world, with all the contrasting and knee-jerk news – or so it seems.

  312. jason says:

    Joe Biden:

    “The bad news is I have a long record. The good news is I have a long record. People know me — at least they think they know me. I think after all this time, I think they have a sense of what my character is, who I am.”

    Meanwhile, Amoral Scumbag is worried about Trump’s mental health.

  313. Phil says:

    …and don’t get me started on the way Snarky savaged Rubio. Another Republican he would have “walked, not run to vote for” had he gotten the nomination. LOL

    If anyone believes that I have some swamp land for sale.

  314. Wobbles says:

    Well, I see the latest Quinnipiac Poll has been flung around here, to the delight of some posters”

    I love any poll that shows a socialist will win.

  315. jason says:

    Right, Amoral Scumbag, who trashed Rubio for 2 years before the election, would certainly have supported him for President.

    We know Amoral Scumbag is a forgiving guy that moves on, and he would have forgiven Rubio to not only dare run (Amoral Scumbag swore up and down here for months that Rubio would never challenge Jeb, how did that turn out?) against Jeb but actually kick his ass in 9 straight debates and show what a horrible, weak, unprepared, uninspiring candidate Jeb was, as exemplified by his showing of 3 delegates for $250 million.

    One thing you can say about Amoral Scumbag, right, is that he is not petty, vindictive, and bitter.

  316. jason says:

    Say hello to Senator Tommy Tuberville.”

    Catchy name.

  317. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    August 28, 2019 at 11:58 am
    So Worm let me ask you a question which poll do you tend to believe Quinnipiac or Monmouth College?

    – Considering Monmouth just released a statement calling their Monday poll an outlier, I suppose I’d go with Q.

    That said, Q skews to the left. Regardless, it tells a similar story to other contemporary polls,Trump is trailing just about every Democrat and is struggling to get more than 40%.

  318. NYCmike says:

    “– I wear the Never Trump badge proudly. He has been a disaster and he demeans the office every day he’s in office. I am not going to vote for anyone in 2020 unless I decide to write someone in as I did in 2016. Probably George H. W. Bush.”

    -“a disaster”? “demeans the office”?

    In what way?

    What is your idea of a successful Presidency?
    Obama’s 8 years? Bush 43’s 8 years?

    What is your idea of uplifting actions in that office? Allowing the press to ridicule you on a daily basis while keeping a stiff upper lip?

  319. NYCmike says:

    As for the election in Nov 2020, it will be Trump vs a Democratic candidate.

    One either chooses Trump, or chooses the socialist to lead us.

  320. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    …and don’t get me started on the way Snarky savaged Rubio. Another Republican he would have “walked, not run to vote for” had he gotten the nomination. LOL
    If anyone believes that I have some swamp land for sale.

    – You’re selling your home?

    Again, I know this is a difficult concept for Trumpers to grasp, but you can be critical of someone and still support that person.

    For instance, the Trump presidency has shown Rubio to be the lightweight phony I always thought he was. He thought being Hispanic and young was all he needed to become president. He sold Never Trump swag only to become a chief defender of Donnie.

    That said, I would absolutely support him over Trump. And if he ever became the nominee in the future, I would support him. That wouldn’t mean I’d shy away from criticizing him when he lived down to my expectations of him.

  321. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 12:27 pm
    One thing you can say about Amoral Scumbag, right, is that he is not petty, vindictive, and bitter.

    – Classic projection by Jason fraud. Just like his boy Donnie.

  322. NYCmike says:

    A new American citizen, originally from Chad, picked up at my place yesterday. Real nice fella, had a good chat with him, lives in Indiana.

    I said to him “Sorry, but I have to ask. You will vote for the first time next November, who will you vote for?”.

    He said “Everyone tells me I can’t vote for Trump, but I don’t see why not. He understands business better than the others debating on TV now. They all keep talking about the people who don’t work for a living.”

  323. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    “– I wear the Never Trump badge proudly. He has been a disaster and he demeans the office every day he’s in office. I am not going to vote for anyone in 2020 unless I decide to write someone in as I did in 2016. Probably George H. W. Bush.”
    -“a disaster”? “demeans the office”?
    In what way?

    – The fact you ask in what way does Trump demean the office speaks volumes about how out of touch you are with reality.

  324. NYCmike says:

    I want Trump to win, but the added prize of seeing Robbie have to deal with that scenario makes me REALLY WANT IT!

    If he was to lose, so be it. At least Robbie, the “true conservative Republican”, won’t lose his mind.

    One less cookoo to worry about.

  325. NYCmike says:

    “– The fact you ask in what way does Trump demean the office speaks volumes about how out of touch you are with reality.”

    -Has he committed any immoral acts that you know of?

    Has he sent soldiers into battle where they could not defeat the enemy because they had restrictions placed on them by people in Washington DC?

    The fact that you don’t list any speaks volumes about you.

    And saying “mean words” on Twitter is not an acceptable example of “demeaning the White House”.

  326. NYCmike says:

    https://strategypage.com/on_point/2019082881256.aspx

    -Robbie,

    Is this “demeaning the office”?

    Or protecting our country, as well as our NATO “allies”?

  327. NYCmike says:

    Add David Brooks and Jennifer Rubin to that list.

  328. NYCmike says:

    #MAGA = Make All Greenlanders Americans

    🙂

  329. NYCmike says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-emerging-tax-idea-look-beyond-income-target-wealth-11566916571

    -Just read the first 2 paragraphs…….then realize that Robbie, “CG” and other #NeverTrumpers think it would be better to let Trump lose than to fight to re-elect someone they have a personal animus against.

  330. jason says:

    It’s funny how it never bothered Amoral Scumbag that Obama “demeaned” the office for 8 years.

    Trump certainly has more respect for the office than Obama or Clinton ever did.

  331. Robbie says:

    NYCmoron is the most self-unaware person in this forum’s history. He spent a decade flapping his gums about fiscal sanity and the virtues of Tea Party candidates like Joe Miller, COD, Angle, Mourdock, Brannon, Wolf, and the like.

    But then along comes a NYC conman who blows out the deficit, uses classic protectionist policies like tariffs, acts like someone who broke out of the insane asylum and NYCmoron just swoons like high school girl who just got her first kiss.

    If Obama had done half the crap Trump has done (policy or otherwise), NYCmoron would be demanding his immediate impeachment and calling for primaries for those who won’t convict in the Senate.

  332. jason says:

    For instance, the Trump presidency has shown Rubio to be the lightweight phony ”

    Translation: Rubio never joined the NeverTrumper morons, he supports Trump where he agrees with him, and opposes him where he disagrees.

    We should all do that and defeat the socialists in 2020 first. Then we can argue about Trump’s policies later.

    Calling Trump mentally unfit is just helping Biden, who really IS over the hill.

  333. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:17 pm
    #MAGA = Make All Greenlanders Americans

    – As soon as Trump is informed that Greenlanders are indigenous people and not white, he’ll lose interest in buying the island.

  334. jason says:

    f Obama had done half the crap Trump has done (policy or otherwise)”

    Zzzzzz… poor Amoral Scumbag, soooo disappointed the collusion BS didn’t pan out.

    Actually, Obama did a lot more to deserve impeachment than Trump ever did, but where was Amoral Scumbag?

  335. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag still attacking Rubio, while his “clear the field”, “juggernaut”, “suck up all the money” front runner candidate spent $250 million for 3 delegates.

    Hilarious.

  336. NYCmike says:

    “But then along comes a NYC conman who blows out the deficit, uses classic protectionist policies like tariffs, acts like someone who broke out of the insane asylum and NYCmoron just swoons like high school girl who just got her first kiss.”

    -Ok, you said “demean the office”.

    If you disagree with his policies, say so. That’s fine. That is a valid discussion, and then we can compare his policies from the last 3 years to the policies which the Dems will implement.

    BUT, please take back the statement about “demean the office” if you are going to use those examples. Stop parroting the MSM telecasts you are watching and try to think for yourself.

  337. Phil says:

    Greenland? I see Robbie on the Trump white racist train again.

  338. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:23 pm
    It’s funny how it never bothered Amoral Scumbag that Obama “demeaned” the office for 8 years.
    Trump certainly has more respect for the office than Obama or Clinton ever did.

    – Man, Jason fraud has gone off the deep end. So sad.

    No president has ever spent as much time as Trump has personally attacking and belittling his adversaries from the White House the way Trump has.

    * Were you fine with the way Trump attacked Megyn kelly in such vulgar terms?
    * Were you fine with the way Trump has continually attacked McCain since his death?
    * Were you ok with Trump claiming someone was bleeding badly from a facelift?
    * Were you ok with Trump calling someone horseface?
    * Were you ok with Trump wondering if Fed Chairman Jay Powell was a bigger enemy than communist Chinese leader Xi?

    And let’s not forget your MAGAdaddy has done nothing but attack and belittle American allies like France, Germany, and Great Britain while cozying up to Kim, Putin, and MBS. Were you fine with this?

    Of course, I don’t need to wait for Jason fraud’s answer. He’s fine with everything Trump has done because Trump accidentally won with an R after his name. He’s no better than the white trash at Trump’s Nuremburg style rallies who were chanting “send them back”.

    I opposed Obama from the first day of his presidency because I opposed his policies. But pull your head out Donnie’s rear end, Jason fraud. To conflate policy differences with Obama to Trump’s disgusting and embarrassing behavior is pathetic even for a Trump shill like you.

  339. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:28 pm
    f Obama had done half the crap Trump has done (policy or otherwise)”
    Zzzzzz… poor Amoral Scumbag, soooo disappointed the collusion BS didn’t pan out.
    Actually, Obama did a lot more to deserve impeachment than Trump ever did, but where was Amoral Scumbag?

    – Jason fraud sound like a Sean Hannity monologue these days.

  340. NYCmike says:

    I have to think that Trump would thank JEB!2016 for jumping into the ring, as it took all of the money away from the other candidates and allowed Trump to go after only one person at first, one that was despised by the Republican base (unfairly, but that is the price of having the same name as someone who left office in bad graces).

  341. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:30 pm
    Amoral Scumbag still attacking Rubio, while his “clear the field”, “juggernaut”, “suck up all the money” front runner candidate spent $250 million for 3 delegates.
    Hilarious.

    – Yep. He’s a lightweight, Trump bootlicker these days. Remember when you clowns thought he was the savior of the Republican Party? I do.

    http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20130218,00.html

    Now, the party’s future is Corey Lewandowski. I can’t wait to watch you get behind his grifting Senate candidacy in NH. You know you will, too.

  342. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is yapping about Trump belittling our “allies”…….the ones that can’t spend 2% of their GDP for the defense of their own nation and the NATO alliance they are members of.

  343. NYCmike says:

    “* Were you fine with the way Trump attacked Megyn kelly in such vulgar terms?
    * Were you fine with the way Trump has continually attacked McCain since his death?
    * Were you ok with Trump claiming someone was bleeding badly from a facelift?
    * Were you ok with Trump calling someone horseface?
    * Were you ok with Trump wondering if Fed Chairman Jay Powell was a bigger enemy than communist Chinese leader Xi?”

    -Are any of these worse than an administration allowing the IRS to use their power to target conservative groups trying to legally spread their political message?

  344. NYCmike says:

    “* Were you fine with the way Trump attacked Megyn kelly in such vulgar terms?
    * Were you fine with the way Trump has continually attacked McCain since his death?
    * Were you ok with Trump claiming someone was bleeding badly from a facelift?
    * Were you ok with Trump calling someone horseface?
    * Were you ok with Trump wondering if Fed Chairman Jay Powell was a bigger enemy than communist Chinese leader Xi?”

    -Are any of these worse than an administration allowing “Fast and Furious” to sell guns to Mexican cartels, which were then used to kill an American border official?

  345. NYCmike says:

    “* Were you fine with the way Trump attacked Megyn kelly in such vulgar terms?
    * Were you fine with the way Trump has continually attacked McCain since his death?
    * Were you ok with Trump claiming someone was bleeding badly from a facelift?
    * Were you ok with Trump calling someone horseface?
    * Were you ok with Trump wondering if Fed Chairman Jay Powell was a bigger enemy than communist Chinese leader Xi?”

    -Are any of these worse than an administration spying on reporters (from FOX news) and on an incoming administration?

  346. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:39 pm
    Greenland? I see Robbie on the Trump white racist train again.

    – Oh, I’ve always thought Trump harbored ill feelings for people who don’t look like him. And before you say “but muh Diamond and Silk” or “but muh Ben Carson”, Trump will accept anyone who offers him slobbering praise.

    But the sad genius of Trump’s campaign was he knew for a fact the Republican base hated Hispanics, blacks, and other non whites. That’s why he started his campaign calling Mexicans rapists and calling for a ban on all Muslims. Sadly, it worked.

    And let’s not forget Trump called for the execution of the Central Park 5 and, even after it became clear they were innocent, he still claimed they were guilty and refused to apologize.

    And of course, there’s Trump’s time as America’s lead birther. I suspect you didn’t have a problem with it, though.

  347. NYCmike says:

    L O L ! ! Now even Robbie is pushing the Central Park 5 for sainthood!

  348. NYCmike says:

    “But the sad genius of Trump’s campaign was he knew for a fact the Republican base hated Hispanics, blacks, and other non whites.”

    -Just check out this statement……..and Bitterlaw still thinks this guy is a “conservative Republican”?

  349. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:49 pm
    Robbie is yapping about Trump belittling our “allies”…….the ones that can’t spend 2% of their GDP for the defense of their own nation and the NATO alliance they are members of.

    – Bless your heart Mikey.

    Why should that even matter anymore? MAGAdaddy says Putin’s a good guy so the Europeans don’t need to worry about him anymore, right?

    The best part about you is right now is you’re an isolationist because MAGAdaddy is an isolationist. But the moment the next R prez is an internationalist, you will be as well.

    You’re like a leaf blowing in the wind.

  350. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 1:57 pm
    L O L ! ! Now even Robbie is pushing the Central Park 5 for sainthood!

    – Sainthood? Stop embarrassing yourself.

    Were they guilty or not?

  351. NYCmike says:

    “– Oh, I’ve always thought Trump harbored ill feelings for people who don’t look like him. And before you say “but muh Diamond and Silk” or “but muh Ben Carson”, Trump will accept anyone who offers him slobbering praise.”

    -Trump has no problem with anyone who can help make him money or be successful in whatever endeavor he is attempting to complete.

    Trump has a problem with anyone who will stand in his way of making money or being unsuccessful in any endeavor.

  352. NYCmike says:

    “MAGAdaddy says Putin’s a good guy so the Europeans don’t need to worry about him anymore, right?”

    -No, he hasn’t said that. Actually, Trump’s, and the administration’s, including the military, have made it clear that Russia is an adversary at this time.

    The fact that Trump is not badmouthing Putin, Xi, and the fatty in NoKo shows that he is quite rational, as opposed to what you say about him.

  353. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 2:06 pm
    Trump has a problem with anyone who will stand in his way of making money or being unsuccessful in any endeavor.

    – Like Mexicans and Muslims.

  354. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    “MAGAdaddy says Putin’s a good guy so the Europeans don’t need to worry about him anymore, right?”
    -No, he hasn’t said that. Actually, Trump’s, and the administration’s, including the military, have made it clear that Russia is an adversary at this time.
    The fact that Trump is not badmouthing Putin, Xi, and the fatty in NoKo shows that he is quite rational, as opposed to what you say about him.

    – Bless your heart. You really are patient zero for the disease called Trumpism. You might as well put on makeup and call yourself Sarah Sanders.

  355. NYCmike says:

    The Central Park 5 were kids who participated in illegal group activities in Central Park during that time period, which saw upwards of 2000+ NYC citizens shot and killed per year.

    Did they commit the crime they were convicted of? It turns they may not have.

    Do I care one iota that Trump says he still wants them executed? No, because I take him seriously, but not literally.

  356. NYCmike says:

    “– Like Mexicans and Muslims.”

    -Let me fix this for you, to make it correct:

    “Like illegal immigrants from Mexico, and terrorists who happen to be Muslims.”

  357. Robbie says:

    Gotta be honest. I was expecting to read lots of comments how Zogby is the new best pollster in the country. That will happen at some point. A forum that collectively believed in the delbov curve in 2008 and unskewing in 2012 can easily find itself believing Zogby.

  358. NYCmike says:

    “– Bless your heart. You really are patient zero for the disease called Trumpism. You might as well put on makeup and call yourself Sarah Sanders.”

    -Once again, check out your statement.

    You don’t give any reason for badmouthing those men, leaders of countries with offensive military weapons. You just say that speaking well of them is bad.

    How is it bad? In what way?

    Did prior Presidents have any different affect on our relationship with those countries with their Robbie-approved state-dept-type of rhetoric?

  359. Cash Cow TM says:

    Republican Senator Johnny Isakson: I’ll resign at the end of December

  360. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 2:13 pm
    “– Like Mexicans and Muslims.”
    -Let me fix this for you, to make it correct:
    “Like illegal immigrants from Mexico, and terrorists who happen to be Muslims.”

    – Oh, but that’s not what your MAGAdaddy said, Mikey. Let me refresh your memory.

    On Mexicans – “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Nowhere in that comment is the word “illegal”.

    On Muslims – “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.” Nowhere in that statement does he mention the word terrorist.

  361. NYCmike says:

    Oh Lord……the MSM has done a great job on you!

  362. CG says:

    Robbie, right now, these people really are hopeless. That’s why someone like Joe Walsh is needed to trigger them. He speaks their language but at least is principled.

    After Trump loses, and a short period of disbelief and finger pointing, they will throw him under the bus and deny they ever supported him in the first place.

  363. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    369. Apparently he is very ill, he has Parkinson’s disease and recently had a bad fall.
    The governor will appoint a replacement who will serve until the 2020 election, when there will be a vote on the seat (now both Georgia seats will be up in 2020).

    Assume the real governor of Georgia, Abrams, will also make an appointment. Then again, she may wait and run for the seat in 2020.

  364. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    372. Walsh refuses to pay child support for his children. How can you claim he is a “principled.”

  365. CG says:

    His children are in their late 20s and 30s and doing just fine.

  366. NYCmike says:

    “After Trump loses, and a short period of disbelief and finger pointing, they will throw him under the bus and deny they ever supported him in the first place.”

    -BUT, they don’t want the Democratic candidate to win.

  367. CG says:

    I am sure that there are many fine Confederate Heritage activists that Kemp can choose in George to replace a stellar public official like Johnny Isakson, that will be very strong politically next year…

  368. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    He owes back child support. His ex-wife has a right to the payments. Your evading the issue; with this sort of back behavior, how can you refer to him as “principled”?

  369. NYCmike says:

    “Robbie, right now, these people really are hopeless.”

    -At least 90% of the Republican Party voters will vote for Trump next year…….they are all hopeless.

  370. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Anyone who can support Walsh has not business calling other people hopeless.

    They needs to form a new political action committee: “Trolls for Walsh”

  371. CG says:

    Whatever the issue was, they long ago worked it out. His children are adults and very close to him

    I don’t care about what happened in his divorce anymore than you care that Ivana Trump in divorce proceedings under oath said Donald raped her.

  372. CG says:

    No, plenty of Republicans are likely to vote for Trump with doubt and shame.

    The people who post on a blog like this just do not tend to be normal.

  373. NYCmike says:

    “His children are adults and very close to him”

    -“His” = The President

  374. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “The people who post on a blog like this just do not tend to be normal.”

    If you feel that way, then why are you here?

  375. NYCmike says:

    “No, plenty of Republicans are likely to vote for Trump with doubt and shame.”

    -Sounds like a regular election…….for normal people.

    Most aren’t like you, putting these politicians on pedestals.

  376. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Noticed Robbie has not voiced his support of Walsh yet. Time for him to fish or cut bait.

  377. CG says:

    I probably shouldn’t be on here, the site has very much changed, but it passes the time a bit when I am at work and waiting for something. I have posted here since 2004.

    I know many would prefer an echo chamber.

  378. CG says:

    I don’t care if Robbie supports Walsh or not. We both would ideally want a better Republican standard-bearer. Maybe if the stars align that will happen. For me though, it’s simple. Walsh is the sole conservative opponent to Trump.

    But I have no issue if someone wants to be for Weld..
    Hell, I have no issue if someone wants to be for Biden or whomever.

    The bottom line is that Trump is garbage as a person and as a President.

  379. Phil says:

    Robbie has been on here for the last eight hours straight throwing a nonstop Trump tantrum…but yeah, we’re the ones that aren’t normal. Got it.

  380. NYCmike says:

    “We both would ideally want a better Republican standard-bearer.”

    -Sounds like a regular election……,for normal people.

  381. NYCmike says:

    “The bottom line is that Trump is garbage as a person and as a President.”

    -If only the Central Park 5 would throw their hats in the ring……..

  382. CG says:

    There is some theory that goes for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Political junkies are weird people. Of course, I include myself. Some of us though still have the same principles we have always had and are willing to go against the grain in defense of them.

    Thankfully in America, we are just insulting each other (mostly online in a semi-anonymous or completely anonymous fashion) and not actually committing acts of violence against each other. At least so far.

  383. NYCmike says:

    And if the stars don’t align for “CG”, he will stand on the sidelines bashing the Republican nominee, and smiling if he is defeated, as the Democratic candidate is sworn in.

  384. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This all sounds like rocking chair talk.

  385. CG says:

    I am sure the Central Park were not angels as teenagers and I am also sure that NYCMike was not an angel as a teenager either. I have no reason to believe that they did anything more wrong than he ever did.

    But there is no way that anybody can be familiar with that story and what happened to them and not be somewhat outraged and have sympathy for what they went through. Whatever happened at the park that night, they specifically were not tied to any wrongdoing. Instead, they were taken advantage of by government authorities (under a Democrat administration if it makes you feel better to know) into making false confessions.

    Yes, people need to be smart enough to never confess to anything they did not do, but that happens all the time with vulnerable and naive people.

  386. CG says:

    I won’t be smiling because a Democrat is being sworn in. If anything I will be smiling because Donald Trump is miserable…. but I think he sorta wants out anyway.

  387. NYCmike says:

    “Some of us though still have the same principles we have always had and are willing to go against the grain in defense of them.”

    -Pro-life? Trump

    Support for Israel? Trump

    Corruption issues? Trump has zero.

    Opposed the Iran deal? Trump

    Supports the Hyde Amendment? Trump

    Opposes late term/3rd trimester abortion? Trump

    Stays away from racial arsonists like Sharpton? Trump (at least since 2016, and “CG” forgives earlier transgressions…..see Walsh, Joe)

  388. NYCmike says:

    “I am sure the Central Park were not angels as teenagers and I am also sure that NYCMike was not an angel as a teenager either. I have no reason to believe that they did anything more wrong than he ever did.”

    -I never went wilding through Central Park, or any other park.

    I never tormented citizens of my city the way that those gangs did back in those days.

    Are there any areas of Chicago that you stay out of at night? Are the kids in that area the same as you were when you were a kid?

  389. NYCmike says:

    “…. but I think he sorta wants out anyway.”

    -And Reagan already had Alzheimer’s in 1984…..you are as bad as the MSM.

  390. Phil says:

    Great. Maybe Trump will drop out and then Robbie and his wing man can “run, not walk” to vote for the Republican nominee. My guess, however, is that within a day of a Trump withdrawal Robbie will begin parroting NYT talking points against Pence or Haley or both. In fact, you can count on it.

  391. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Corruption issues? Trump has zero.”

    WOW, do you actually write this chit with a straight?? The delusion here is surreal!

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  392. CG says:

    Trump is a horrible human, a horrible candidate, and a horrible President.

    NYC is citing my bear minimum that i need to actually vote for someone to support him. There is not a chance in hell I could ever vote for DJT to be dog catcher in the smallest town in America.

    The good news for you folks though is that I am nearly certain to not be able to vote for the Democrat against him.

  393. CG says:

    There’s no actual evidence they were among those doing the wilding.

    Not everyone who was in the park was guilty by association.

    Even if they had been doing “wilding” though, they still were unfairly charged with a brutal rape and assault and did nothing worthy of execution.

    Me? I’m from the suburbs. I was expected home at a certain time. Having seen the interviews of most of the Central Park Five and their parents, they were expected home too and went home that night.

  394. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Monmouth has now discredited its own poll, which is at the top of this thread:

    “As other national polls of 2020 Democratic presidential race have been released this week, it is clear that the Monmouth University Poll published Monday is an outlier,” Patrick Murray, the director of the poll, said. “This is a product of the uncertainty that is inherent in the polling process.”

    The Monmouth poll is one of the polls used to determine if a Democratic candidate qualifies for the next debate. The only candidate who was helped was Williamson, who got her first poll, but believe she still needs three more.

  395. CG says:

    I meant “bare minimum” not “bear minimum” I believe.

    I assume the bear minimum this year will be 9-7, hopefully several more.

  396. NYCmike says:

    “Me? I’m from the suburbs. I was expected home at a certain time.”

    -Exactly. So you have no idea what NYC was like at that time, and no idea what the citizens of Chicago’s bad neighborhoods go through now……but because Trump likes to make incendiary comments and doesn’t apologize for them he is the most terrible person ever.

    Ridiculous.

    Trump is an idiot with these comments, and you are an idiot for putting so much weight on them.

  397. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is a horrible human, a horrible candidate, and a horrible President.”

    -He is matching your bare minimum, and every Democrat will try to eviscerate each one of those points……..but you will stand down so that a Democrat can win……..because of “principles”…..

  398. CG says:

    The interviews conducted with the parents of (at least most) of those charged, including fathers who lived with their families, said that even though it was Spring Break or whatever the kids were expected home and that they arrived home that night, never knowing that they would somehow be tied to a brutal rape and assault that they did not witness.

  399. CG says:

    Any justice loving person should be outraged by what those teenagers and their families had to endure for years because of corruption in the police force and a DA’s office that was merely looking to do something for political expediency.

    Even if one was around at the time and thought they were guilty then, clearly, now, after they were all cleared by DNA evidence and someone else confessed to the crime who was connected via DNA evidence, they should be looked upon as victims of circumstance not people who should still be executed.

  400. CG says:

    Right, I will “stand down” if that is the term you wish to use because Trump is so much worse and violates so much more of what I hold sacred.

    You have assured me NYC that you would be doing the exact same thing if it were David Duke vs an unacceptable Democrat, so at least you understand where I am coming from.

  401. NYCmike says:

    Trump is nothing like Duke, and by you lumping them together it cheapens the definition of what racism is.

  402. NYCmike says:

    “Any justice loving person”

    -Yet, Trump is terrible because he doesn’t like illegals coming into this country illegally.

  403. CG says:

    David Duke Lite and becoming less Lite by the week.

  404. NYCmike says:

    “they should be looked upon as victims of circumstance not people who should still be executed.”

    -Nobody, except you, is repeating Trump’s call for their execution, whenever he did it.

    You are the only one still bringing it up…except for the MSM crazies where you regurgitate from.

  405. CG says:

    No, Trump isn’t terrible because of that. He’s terrible because he thinks American citizens need to “go back where they came from” and terrible, at least from a policy and a moral standpoint because he wants to greatly curtail legal immigration (besides for the times he ways he wants to increase it. You support him either way.)

  406. CG says:

    Trump’s continued, unchanged attitude and position towards the “Central Park Five” is just one of many example of his racism.

    But ASAP Rocky (who actually did do something illegal) is rich and he thought he might make a campaign appearance for him, so that changes things.

  407. NYCmike says:

    “David Duke Lite and becoming less Lite by the week.”

    -Yes, that is the media narrative.

    Just this week, if you believe there should be a test for gifted programs in NYC schools, you were deemed a racist.

    Typical liberal Democrat talking point which you are repeating.

  408. CG says:

    I’m unaware of any NYC school kerfuffle.

    I support testing. You guys are the ones that hated Common Core standards.

    I just know Trump plays on racial divisions and the politics of resentment. He thrives on those who wish the country was whiter. It’s not the only reason people support him of course, but it is at the heart and soul of his original appeal as a candidate.

  409. NYCmike says:

    ” He’s terrible because he thinks American citizens need to “go back where they came from””

    -Those citizens complain about this country. He said to “go back where they came from”, FIX THEIR SHEOTHOLES WITH THEIR DEMOCRATIC POLICY POSITIONS, then come back and try to implement those policies in the United States, AFTER we see what kind of affect they would have in their original countries.

    And do you know why he said that?

    Because he understands, better than you, Mr “Conservative Republican” how bad the Democratic policies will be for this country.

  410. NYCmike says:

    “I just know Trump plays on racial divisions and the politics of resentment”

    -When I was 10, and then moving forward, I heard the same thing about Reagan, then Bush, then Dole, then Bush, then McCain, then Romney.

    Even as a 10 year old, I was able to judge that the MSM was wrong, and probably biased against Republicans.

    “CG”, the suburb-bubble-boy, it still is sinking in.

  411. CG says:

    No. It’s ridiculous, racist, un-American, and indefensible.

    Four out of the five were born in U.S. Just like you, me, and him. The other, for whatever problems she has is an American citizen, equal to all the rest of us.

    They have the right to complain, just as you had the right to complain about Obama and were not told to go back to Italy or Ireland or wherever it was your people came from.

    Their constituents have the right to vote them out.

    All of them and Trump deserve to be voted out.

  412. CG says:

    Crying wolf when unwarranted does not mean a wolf might not be real.

    Reagan, the Bushes, Dole, McCain, Romney, et al spoke of and believed in One America. I could quote them all for you at great length.

    Trump does not. He speaks of something very different. He is very different. That is part of the reason why so many people like him. Not me though. I will never abandon the legacy of the Republicans you mention just because Trump “fights” the liberals or might be able to get tax cuts enacted or whatever.

  413. NYCmike says:

    “You guys are the ones that hated Common Core standards.”

    -I still do, because I don’t need federal government/university social engineering types how to teach kids.

    When there are more stories in the history textbooks on pioneer women than on the Founding Fathers, or 2+2 can be 5, because it is damaging to a child’s psyche to be told he/her/ze is wrong, YES, I do not like the lame standards put forth by the federal government.

    I much prefer the local schools/parents deciding what standards to use.

  414. CG says:

    Well, nobody said they should be federal standards, but those left to the states/local districts.

    Teachers and students should all be tested though as a matter of common sense.

  415. NYCmike says:

    “They have the right to complain, just as you had the right to complain about Obama and were not told to go back to Italy or Ireland or wherever it was your people came from.”

    -Italy could use most of our Republican policy proposals, so I would have no issue with being told “to go back”.

    Ireland has already benefited from a flatter tax scheme.

  416. CG says:

    “Go back to where you came from” (especially since he seemed to actually believe they were foreign born) ir about as racist as it gets. So was his goading the chants of “send her back.”

    Wanting to enforce the borders against illegal immigration is not racist, but smiling and laughing and joking when someone says that maybe we can shoot the illegal immigrants is.

    That sort of thing can lead to a very deadly situation as we recently saw.

  417. NYCmike says:

    “Trump does not. He speaks of something very different.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/the-inaugural-address/

    Something tells me that “CG” REFUSES to watch, read, and/or listen to this speech, and quote from it!

  418. NYCmike says:

    “That sort of thing can lead to a very deadly situation as we recently saw.”

    -Got it.

    Now for any mass shootings during the Bush, Bush, or Reagan years, were they responsible?

    How about Obama and Clinton? Dang it, I like to blame them for everything, but when it comes to shootings, I blame the perpetrator, not the President at the time.

  419. CG says:

    I watched the Inaugural Address. As GWB said, “that was some weird sh.t”

  420. NYCmike says:

    “When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.”

    -Just a divisive personality!

  421. CG says:

    Trump is not directly responsible for what happened in El Paso, but the person was motivated by Trumpism. I have no doubt that as a person Trump wishes it did not happen and disapproves.

    I am unaware of any previous mass shooting under any previous President in which a particular racial or religious group was directly targeted using the rhetoric of the President.

  422. NYCmike says:

    More “weird sh.t”:

    “It is time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget: that whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots, we all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same great American Flag.

    And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty Creator.”

  423. CG says:

    He says different things at different times. It’s easy for him to read something off a teleprompter. Many times he sounds quite reasonable.

    When he goes off script (usually on Twitter), you see the core of the man.

  424. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is not directly responsible for what happened in El Paso, but the person was motivated by Trumpism.”

    -How does the eco-warrior part fit in with Trump?

  425. NYCmike says:

    “When he goes off script (usually on Twitter), you see the core of the man.”

    -Like Bush saw Putin’s soul?

    How did that work out?

  426. NYCmike says:

    “He says different things at different times. It’s easy for him to read something off a teleprompter. Many times he sounds quite reasonable.”

    -And you choose to ignore the good st*ff, and dredge up st*ff out of context.

    Got it.

  427. CG says:

    And the same Creator also created those who have immigrated to America or wish to.

    Those born in Syria or Haiti or El Salvador are just as precious to the Creator than everyone else and America would continue to benefit from welcoming them into our family.

  428. NYCmike says:

    “Good people on both sides” out of context – so racist!

  429. CG says:

    The domestic terrorist did not shoot anyone because of his environmental beliefs.

    He drove 10 miles to shoot brown people, whether they were in the U.S. legally or not because he bought into the horrific concept that they were “invaders” and the same sort of motivation led to the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh.

  430. NYCmike says:

    #438 – let everyone in?

    I asked you this last year – 2 million? 20 million? 200 million?

    How many per year, Mr. GetRidOfNationStatesBecauseTheyAreAnti-Creator.

  431. CG says:

    How about let some in at least? People in his Administration such as Stephen Miller don’t like that idea. Ken Cucinelli said the Statue of Liberty was only meant for Europeans.

    You support him when he says let none in. You support him when he says let double the amount in.
    You support Trump without question at all turns.

  432. NYCmike says:

    “Those born in Syria or Haiti or El Salvador are just as precious to the Creator than everyone else and America would continue to benefit from welcoming them into our family.”

    -Ok.

    Get in line. Have a sponsor. Don’t give them any benefits, let the sponsor take care of them……maybe even “CG”.
    How many of G-D’s children have you sponsored from the Muslim part of Sudan?

  433. CG says:

    He drove 10 hours, not 10 miles.

    I gotta run. All this can be continued.

  434. CG says:

    He can continue to taunt the people of Puerto Rico over a hurricane that may be coming their way as if they can control that.

    But that’s not racist at all, right.

  435. NYCmike says:

    “You support him when he says let none in. You support him when he says let double the amount in.
    You support Trump without question at all turns.”

    -I don’t listen to 99% of what politicians say, we have already gone over this. You have mischaracterized it many times as only applying to Trump.

    As for support for Trump, the alternative is _______?

    A Democratic policy?

    Ok, I’ll support Trump, until I see that it is moving us in the wrong direction.

  436. NYCmike says:

    “But that’s not racist at all, right.”

    -Racist, NO.

    Idiotic and sophomoric – YES.

  437. CG says:

    You’d support him until he marched you out on Fifth Avenue to demonstrate the ultimate act of loyalty.

    (And it’s your fellow Trump supporters on here who have said that about you, so don’t blame me.)

  438. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    438. There probably are over a billion people who would like to immigrate into the U.S. Should they all be allowed to come? Many Democrats believe anyone who comes over the border, whether legally or not, should immediately be entitled to free medical care at taxpayer expense. How are you going to pay for it? These are question those advocating open borders need to answer.

  439. CG says:

    Well at least we can have some level of agreement as to the idiot thing.

    I refuse to vote for an idiot to be President.

  440. Robbie says:

    Dan Nowicki
    @dannowicki

    NEW: “Sen. Martha McSally gets primary challenge from businessman Daniel McCarthy.”

    – Mikey pumps fist in the air.

  441. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Robbie are you going to support Walsh like CG?

  442. VictrC says:

    And here I was excited to catch up on 450 posts, thinking there would be something interesting…There wasn’t, and I wonder why. To those who hijacked the thread….

    “At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.“

  443. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 28, 2019 at 3:44 pm
    Noticed Robbie has not voiced his support of Walsh yet. Time for him to fish or cut bait.

    – I’m not the least bit interested in him or Sanford or Weld.

    I’m interested in seeing a credible candidate challenge Trump in the primary.

    Short of that, I’m interested in rebuilding the party and purging the ethnonationalist populists the day after Trump loses.

  444. NYCmike says:

    “– Mikey pumps fist in the air.”

    -Are you against the primary system?

    Yes? No?

  445. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 3:50 pm
    Robbie has been on here for the last eight hours straight throwing a nonstop Trump tantrum…but yeah, we’re the ones that aren’t normal. Got it.

    – I’m making up for lost time.

    Whereas you spend every day here shilling for Trump.

    You’ve lost your way. I hope you regain your sanity when this awful Trump era is over.

  446. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    454. “ethnonationalist populists the day after Trump loses.”

    So are you supporting open borders like CG?

  447. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    “Some of us though still have the same principles we have always had and are willing to go against the grain in defense of them.”
    -Pro-life? Trump
    Support for Israel? Trump
    Corruption issues? Trump has zero.
    Opposed the Iran deal? Trump
    Supports the Hyde Amendment? Trump
    Opposes late term/3rd trimester abortion? Trump
    Stays away from racial arsonists like Sharpton? Trump (at least since 2016, and “CG” forgives earlier transgressions…..see Walsh, Joe)

    – Shorter NYCmoron. “Hitler made the trains run on time”

  448. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 4:03 pm
    Great. Maybe Trump will drop out and then Robbie and his wing man can “run, not walk” to vote for the Republican nominee. My guess, however, is that within a day of a Trump withdrawal Robbie will begin parroting NYT talking points against Pence or Haley or both. In fact, you can count on it.

    – This just shows what a bitter old boomer you are. I’m sorry the country doesn’t look the way it did during the heyday of your life, but tough.

    I would have ZERO problems criticizing Rubio or Haley is they ran crappy campaigns, but I would absolutely vote for each. In fact after Jeb quit, I was hoping Rubio could pull it out and pick Haley as his VP.

  449. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Is anyone disappointed with this breaking news story?

    https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/08/breaking-gillibrand-dropping-presidential-race/

    Somewhere the despicable Al Franken is smiling!

  450. CG says:

    Robbie, nobody is actually going to beat Trump in a primary. Maybe Trump will quit, maybe not, but that’s reality.

    So at least Joe Walsh is a vote to speak out against Trump and to unhinge him. Somebody has to do it. It’s a glorious kamikaze mission.

    Also, I must say that Trump is NOT Hitler. For one thing, Trump couldn’t make trains run on time.

  451. CG says:

    Walsh is a *voice* I should say.

    The RNC is rigging the process to prevent states from even having primaries, so not many people will be able to vote for anyone opposing Trump. I am sure NYC approves in this case.

  452. VictrC says:

    Sheep

    The field is going to winnow down to 8-10 a lot earlier than anyone expected. Heck, ours was stil in the 17+ range well into 2016.

    Btw, the comment about “the country not looking the way it did during your heyday” sure sounds like something that dKos/Sanders/Warren crowd says

  453. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    August 28, 2019 at 5:11 pm
    “When he goes off script (usually on Twitter), you see the core of the man.”
    -Like Bush saw Putin’s soul?
    How did that work out?

    – Poor, NYCmoron. To defend his MAGA daddy, he’s got to tear down GWB and other Republicans.

    I knew NYCmoron was a Tea Party fraud, but I never would have guessed he was so weak minded he would become a Trump loving ethnonationalist populist.

    It will be fun to watch him try and reinvent himself again after Trump is gone.

  454. CG says:

    No matter how many times I have said I do not support “open borders”, it is the Trump-lackey reflex to lie about such things. Par for the course.

  455. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CG and Robbie, are you going to answer the question about whether you support open borders? And favor free medical care for anyone who crosses?

  456. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 28, 2019 at 5:39 pm
    454. “ethnonationalist populists the day after Trump loses.”
    So are you supporting open borders like CG?

    – Guy who thinks Peter Navarro is a respected economist surprisingly thinks anyone who doesn’t agree with Trump’s ultra nativist immigration policies is an open borders idiot.

  457. CG says:

    No, don’t support “open borders” and do not support Medicare for all.

    However if someone in the U.S. is in need of emergency treatment, especially a child, then we as a society should treat them.

    As a general principle, we need to make it much harder to come to America illegally and much easier to come legally.

    It is a canard to suggest that all immigration is only about wanting “free st.uff”

  458. CG says:

    Should we be turning people away from emergency rooms SDC? What’s your solution to that issue.

    Remember that your on again off again hero DJT, said during the campaign, that other Republicans wanted people to “die in the streets” but not he, and that he preferred single payer health care such as what they had in Scotland.

  459. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    467. CG, here was your previous statement.

    “Those born in Syria or Haiti or El Salvador are just as precious to the Creator than everyone else and America would continue to benefit from welcoming them into our family.”

    But if you do not support open borders, then you only want people to immigrant legally — and assume agree those who try to cross illegality should be prevented from doing so?

  460. CG says:

    We have always had refugee processes and legal immigration processes.

    Of course I believe we need to curtail illegal immigration (which goes far beyond southern border crossings) but you will continue to lie and say I do not, right?

  461. CG says:

    For the record, if jason was born in El Salvador, I was not talking about him.

    He had to have been devil spawn. (Give him some points.)

  462. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    471. Emergency rooms should be open to all. And remember CG that the American military and government agencies provide a massive amount of free health care in other countries when they are overseas. The how do you limit immigration when you do not support open borders?

  463. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 28, 2019 at 5:51 pm
    CG and Robbie, are you going to answer the question about whether you support open borders? And favor free medical care for anyone who crosses?

    – Can you read? Have you read any of my posts over the last decade? It’s not like I’ve been shy about what I think.

    I’ve never once said I support open borders. I simply do not support Trump idiotic border wall nor do I support Trump using a fake national emergency to steal money from other areas to fund his moronic wall.

    However, I really do get a kick out of mocking you “but muh wall” crowd for actually believing Don the conman was ever going to build his coast to coast border wall.

  464. CG says:

    Why should we necessarily limit legal immigration? Trump has said he prefers Swedes and Brits over dark skin people from “s-hole countries.” Those considerations should not matter.

    Legal immigration benefits us. Those who come to the U.S> with minimal skills or language ability at first have always proved to be a good investment for the country as they have worked very hard throughout our history to make America better and of course improve their own lot in life and those of their families.

  465. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I am an independent CG, I support Trump on some issues, and oppose him on others. I did not vote for him; and have stated that I may hold my noise and vote for him again. There are several others like me on the board.

  466. CG says:

    You come across as ideologically schizophrenic, but that is your right. Whatever you think of me, I just prefer you not lie.

  467. CG says:

    You also (after a period of fiercely defending Trump) spent a couple of weeks demanding he be impeached and imprisoned. Then you walked away from that without much of a second thought.

    So, I am just suspicious of how genuine you are in your beliefs. It’s only the internet though.

  468. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    August 28, 2019 at 5:57 pm
    The how do you limit immigration when you do not support open borders?

    – Why do we need to limit immigration? Are you like NYCmoron and want to limit legal immigration as well through his dear RAISE Act?

    Let’s be honest. This crap about illegal immigration is just a cover for all forms of immigration. The new nativist populist right doesn’t like any immigration.

  469. CG says:

    People who genuinely like and accept legal immigration do not say “Go back to where you came from” or make excuses for those that do.

  470. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I have stated before, am not a fan of Trump’s wall. There already is one along the California border, and illegal immigrants and drug dealers go under, over, or pay their way through it.

    But it appears we all agree that there needs to be effective border enforcement. In this regard this differs from the increasingly predominant Democratic position that supports an “open border” policy.

  471. CG says:

    So, you disagree with Democrats on immigration but agree with them on capitalism and that Mitt Romney was a “vulture capitalist.” I realize you say you mostly vote for Democrats.

    A lot of people on here who are mostly associated with the left feel very protective over Trump and get very upset when he gets criticized by conservatives. I find that interesting.

    Goodnight to all.

  472. Robbie says:

    Wild thought. Rather than terrorize people like the Mississippi raid did, why not punish the businesses that knew full well they were hiring illegal immigrants?

    Also, maybe if you don’t want caravans headed this way, maybe don’t cut off the economic assistance destined for those countries as Trump did earlier this year.

  473. Wes says:

    Heh. In a tweet, Tru

  474. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    480. I opposed Trump when it appeared he was abandoning the Kurds, and was vocal about it. Was then reassured and shown I was wrong, and stated my position was erroneous and was mistaken. To this day Trump is continuing to support the Kurds, so I was in fact mistaken.

    You accuse people on this board of blinding supporting Trump; then when someone does not do so, you call them schizophrenic. Unlike most board members, who are able to disagree respectfully, you cannot do so.

  475. Wes says:

    Heh. In a tweet, Truno says Sanford, Walsh, and Weld are the Three Stooges.

    That’s accurate.

  476. Phil says:

    Yeah, because that economic aid was sure doing the job.

    The caravans had been coming prior to any aid cut off.

    Got any other ideas?

  477. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @realDonaldTrump
    Can you believe it? I’m at 94% approval in the Republican Party, and have Three Stooges running against me. One is “Mr. Appalachian Trail” who was actually in Argentina for bad reasons….
    ….Another is a one-time BAD Congressman from Illinois who lost in his second term by a landslide, then failed in radio. The third is a man who couldn’t stand up straight while receiving an award. I should be able to take them!

  478. Wes says:

    To be fa

  479. Wes says:

    To be fair to Walsh, Dems drew him out of his district. He may have won had Republicans won the governorship and been able to force Dems to compromise on the egregious map.

  480. Wes says:

    Regardless, I see no scenario Trump fails to win renomination under.

    Reelection is a completely different story.

  481. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    484. “I realize you say you mostly vote for Democrats. A lot of people on here who are mostly associated with the left feel very protective over Trump and get very upset when he gets criticized by conservatives. I find that interesting.”

    When you get internet gnomes beyond their talking points, they say unusual things. I am now a far leftist who is protective of Trump.

  482. Phil says:

    Gillibrand drops out.

    Hate it. She was entertaining as hell.

  483. Bitterlaw says:

    I was an angel as a teenager. No drinking or drugs. I focused my energies on hooking up.

  484. Wes says:

    Gillibrand was the epitome of an unprincipled pol. Mikey deserves her reputation in the Senate since his principles are malleable and consist of supporting whatever Trump says and does regardless of contradictions.

  485. Bitterlaw says:

    Bold prediction – In 2024, Robbie and CG will rip the GOP nominee for President and demand that a real conservative be substituted at the head of the ticket in September.

  486. Bitterlaw says:

    D!

  487. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49495167

    Jason should demand reparations for this terrible historical event.

  488. CG says:

    I don’t get what being upset about Trump about the Kurds had to do with the fact that SDC then decided that Trump was absolutely guilty on Russian collusion and needed to be removed from office at once and that he would wind up behind bars for it all, etc.

    What did that have to do with the Kurds?

    Then whenever he got over the the thing with the Kurds, he went back to saying that nothing about Russia was true.

    So, SDC might just be saying things whether he truly believes it in the moment or not for some unstated reason (such as the Kurds.)

  489. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – My Trump is scum credentials are impeccable. However, I know that if Trump loses, a Democrat will get 2-3 SCOTUS picks in their first term. Don’t you see that? How does that advance your conservative causes?

  490. CG says:

    How do we know that? Would it be a seat that is currently held by a conservative?

    The Democrats certainly do not think that will happen. They think McConnell will block any Democrat from taking a seat on the Court.

    So, no, I don’t necessarily see that, but it doesn’t matter. Trumpism will kill the Republican Party. Keep him at the helm and there may never again be a conservative on the court.

  491. CG says:

    If a Democrat wins, I think Ginsburg resigns and that Democrat gets just 1 pick in a first term (assuming they can get confirmed.)

  492. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 6:20 pm
    Yeah, because that economic aid was sure doing the job.
    The caravans had been coming prior to any aid cut off.
    Got any other ideas?

    – I know it’s tough for you to believe that not everyone wants a dumb wall, but the best approach is a multi pronged one.

    * economic assistance to Central American countries
    * strong fines for companies that employ illegals (they’ll stop hiring if the fines cost too much)
    * arrest criminal illegal aliens

    Also, stop the demonization. I know you Trumpers think being a jerk is awesome, but it’s not. Oh and don’t yell “shoot them” or “send them back” at Trump rallies .

  493. CG says:

    But since I will be perfectly honest, I care more about the future of the country from a moral standpoint than any conservative judicial agenda I would prefer.

    We can fight it out in Congress and in the Courts and in the states and all that regarding left vs. right, as we always have. In the marketplace of ideas, the people hold sway.

    Trump is simply an affront to what America has been and should be.

  494. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    August 28, 2019 at 6:53 pm
    Bold prediction – In 2024, Robbie and CG will rip the GOP nominee for President and demand that a real conservative be substituted at the head of the ticket in September.

    – That’s possible. If we get Stonewall Tom Cotton or Trump’s poodle Pence and they run on Trump’s ethnonationalist populist message, then I’m going to have problems.

    If Cotton, Pence, Haley, Pompeo, or the others run on traditional Republican views, then I won’t have a problem.

  495. jason says:

    But since I will be perfectly honest, I care more about the future of the country from a moral standpoint”

    LOL

    That is why Corey is supporting a racist bigot and deadbeat for President.

    I love this place.

  496. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    August 28, 2019 at 7:16 pm
    Corey – My Trump is scum credentials are impeccable. However, I know that if Trump loses, a Democrat will get 2-3 SCOTUS picks in their first term. Don’t you see that? How does that advance your conservative causes?

    – If Trump wins in 2020, what happens to the party in 2022 and 2024? You know as well as I do the party will get wiped out in a rebuke as powerful as the one the party received after Hoover.

    And if judges are all that matter (all other behavior can be excused), then maybe it’s time to start a new party that’s focused solely on that issue.

    The fact is Trump fatigue is real and the country doesn’t care about SCOTUS picks.

  497. CG says:

    The 2-3 thing is nothing more than a wild guess.

    I think it is extremely unlikely that any of the 5 “conservatives” on the Court would quit if a Democrat becomes President.

    Trump winning in 2020 would via historical trends (very hard for a party to win three straight terms) make it far more likely that a Democrat wins in 2024 when it would be more likely for age to catch up for a conservative Justice.

    But a Ginsburg vs younger liberal swap doesn’t do anything to change the country.

  498. jason says:

    Oh wait, Walsh declared yesterday he is no longer a racist bigot.

  499. jason says:

    Actually, 2-3 picks is VERY realistic.

    Anyone who doesn’t think a socialist President will flip SCOTUS to liberal is a moron.

    That alone should make EVERY conservative want to keep a socialist from becoming President.

  500. CG says:

    It was longer than that, and you do not truly believe Joe Walsh was a racial bigot, but anybody who wakes up one day and decides they want to change their life for the better or be a better example for others should be applauded.

    Trump will never change though. He will continue trafficing in racism and contribute to show no regret in paying hush money to his mistresses.

  501. CG says:

    Name the three.

    Who else does jason think is going to die?

  502. Phil says:

    No, I think YOU don’t care about SCOTUS picks. Kind of curious for a conservative….Hmmm

  503. NYCmike says:

    LEGAL IMMIGRATION = a topic that can never be questioned. The Numbers must always INCREASE, or else you are a “ethnonationalist populists” and/or racist.

    If that is “conservative Republican logic”, then I guess I do have to re-evaluate what I consider to be a “conservative Republican”.

  504. CG says:

    And what does “I’m ok with abortions” jason care about the SCOTUS anyway?

    He said last year that Trump should pick someone committed to keeping Roe v. Wade.

  505. CG says:

    I prefer conservatives on the Court, but I cannot even think of something where a Supreme Court decision will ever have an impact on my life.

    Trump’s terrible and anti-American instincts on foreign policy could create problems for us all. Trump in office continues to normalize lies and deceit. It’s far more dangerous for him to stay in power.

  506. Bitterlaw says:

    Breyer is 81. Do you think he wants to spend the rest of his life on the bench?

  507. CG says:

    Plus, in a second term, how do we know that Trump would not return to his roots and pick a liberal to the court? He won’t have any political pressure at that point.

    jason said he believed Trump would put liberals on the Court back when jason said Trump was a Klansman.

    Does Bitterlaw even trust Trump to not put liberals on the Court? I know he will say, “well, it’s worth a risk.” Clearly, he isn’t that confident about it though.

  508. jason says:

    What Corey and Amoral Scumbag should REALLY be outraged about:

    “On Tuesday, MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell reported a source had informed him that the co-signers on Trump’s Deutsche Bank loans were Russian oligarchs.”

    Tonight:

    “Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the president’s finances that didn’t go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldn’t have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight.”

  509. CG says:

    Breyer is also a liberal. If he leaves under a Democrat, nothing changes.

    Who are the conservatives that are going to leave?

  510. CG says:

    Why would I spend my time worrying about what tv clowns like Lawrence O’Donnell or Tucker Carlson say?

  511. Phil says:

    Yeah, let’s elect a socialist so we no longer have to worry about “lies and deceit”.

    Speaking of lies and deceit, did you happen to have caught the Kavanaugh hearings?

    Yep, put these people in power. Perfect.

  512. jason says:

    jason said he believed Trump would put liberals on the Court back when jason said Trump was a Klansman.”

    I was quoting Trump himself who said his moonbat sister would be a good pick.

    But since then, Trump has put two conservatives on the court.

    Anyone who thinks he would not nominate more conservatives considering his stellar record on conservative judges is a moron.

  513. NYCmike says:

    “Name the three.”

    -Both Ginsburg and Breyer are over 80. These 2 are the most likely to step down (in one way or another), and if you are a conservative and don’t think replacing them with Gorsuch/Kavanaugh types is an important issue, then you don’t have any idea what liberal Democrats are capable of.

    Thomas is 71, and Alito is 69. May they live as long as RBG!

  514. Phil says:

    MSNBC lied?

    Come on, Jason. No way that would ever happen. Hey, I wonder if MSNBC ever lied about anything else?

  515. CG says:

    You really trust Trump in a second term? When he doesn’t have to answer to anyone anymore?

    Really?

  516. CG says:

    Yeah, I don’t see Thomas or Alito leaving in those four years. It would be more likely after 2024. If Trump wins in 2020, 2024 becomes harder for Republicans. Simple historical trends.

    Despite the fact that jason wants pro-abortion Justices on the Court, I hope he will support their will to live as well.

  517. NYCmike says:

    “Plus, in a second term, how do we know that Trump would not return to his roots and pick a liberal to the court? He won’t have any political pressure at that point.”

    -You really don’t know the man.

    If he would “return to his roots”, all that would happen is conservatives would be mad at him. We would not cause a circus, threaten people, shutdown the halls of Congress, etc, like the liberals would. Trump will keep nominating conservatives to make sure liberal heads keep exploding, because it makes him look good, and also, because his “roots” are more in line with people like you, from the suburbs, than you are willing to admit.

  518. CG says:

    Now, in a sane world, a normal regular Republican could take Trump’s place in 2020 and win and if they do a good job in office, be reelected in 2024 and usher in a great era of GOP dominance.

    But with Trump trying to ride the White Grievance train as far as he can, even if it eventually works in 2020, the math will eventually catch up with that kind of party and the Democrats will dominate for a generation and get all the SC seats they want.

  519. NYCmike says:

    “You really trust Trump in a second term? When he doesn’t have to answer to anyone anymore?”

    -Same as in 2016, I “trust” him more than I trusted Hillary, or any of the Democrats running this time around.

    They will most definitely act more like Obama than Trump, which means more stifling of free speech, weaponized IRS, YUGE pieces of intrusive legislation which will diminish the quality of whatever it affects (Obamacare, college, K-12, drilling on federal lands).

  520. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey – I can’t be certain what Trump would do. I know with absolute certainty that a Democrat will appoint hard leftists.

  521. CG says:

    Conservatives would turn on Trump if he screwed them on judges? Would you turn on him? I find that hard to believe and so do your fellow Trump supporters here. (Conservatives did turn on Rauner in IL which is a sort of similar circumstance but that was when they determined he couldn’t win a second term anyway)

    I don’t think Trump would care about you people in a second term. He thinks Mike Pence and some of you are “Jesus Freaks.”

  522. CG says:

    Well, if they are that hard lefitsts, then they can be voted down. I support Republicans for the Senate. (this is assuming liberals are wrong and McConnell will not just block everyone automatically)

    But if two liberals leave over a specific four year period, nothing changes.

    If the GOP trades losses down the road just to give fake Republican Trump a second term, you are playing a very dangerous game that when conservatives do leave, they will be replaced by hard leftists and Republicans will be powerless to stop it.

  523. Phil says:

    Would President Trump care more about conservatives in a second term than a Democrat President Warren?

    seriously?

  524. CG says:

    As far as SCOTUS hypotheticals, it’s like asking if a baseball team should trade away all their prospects for a big name when they best they will maybe be able to do is to make it to a one game wild card. Very reckless to mortgage the future.

    Maybe it’s better to think strategic and wait until you are in a better position to win it all.

  525. CG says:

    If President Warren is as horrible as we all think she would be, then she can be beaten the next time. There are also checks and balances. I know you think Phil that will she will be popular because minorities will like her and minorities do not think the same way others do. I don’t buy that, but that is sort of the risk of a democracy.

    Trump will have destroyed conservatism from within. Is it really worth it? Just for the snarky Tweets and because some anchors looked sad on Election Night?

  526. Bitterlaw says:

    Obama was as horrible as we thought he would be and he was re-elected. You fight to win the battle you are in (2020) and not the next one (2024).

  527. CG says:

    That’s what the people wanted. They liked him personally. We see the historical trends though. Extremely hard for a party to win three in a row.

    No conservative Justices quit under Obama. One died and Obama did not get to replace him.

  528. CG says:

    Trump is probably laughing at the concept that “the Evangelicals” (whether you are one or not, he doesn’t care) feel like they have to depend on him to keep his word. He’s playing people for fools.

  529. NYCmike says:

    “He thinks Mike Pence and some of you are “Jesus Freaks.””

    -And?

    Has he put in place policies which would make us make a decision to either give up our religious principles or face the power of the state?

  530. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is probably laughing at the concept that “the Evangelicals” (whether you are one or not, he doesn’t care) feel like they have to depend on him to keep his word. He’s playing people for fools.”

    -His governing record, in regard to evangelicals, should be the guide, as he promised certain things and has followed through on those promises.

    How do you judge a politician? By their words, or by their deeds?

  531. NYCmike says:

    “We see the historical trends though. Extremely hard for a party to win three in a row.”

    -McCain should have asked Dubya to step aside in 2004.

  532. Bitterlaw says:

    You can be a conservative. You can say you don’t care about SCOTUS. Both can not be true.

  533. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    546. This is choice:

    “A Breitbart spokesperson hit back shortly after the O’Rourke campaign’s statement: “The false accusation that Breitbart is racist, or that its award-winning reporter — an Orthodox Jew, married to a black woman who serves in the military — is either racist or would make anyone at a black university uncomfortable is absurd. The irony of Mr. O’Rourke — who has stated himself that he is the beneficiary of ‘white privilege’ — purporting to decide for black students who should be banned from events that are open to the press, or what they should feel, is not lost on us.””

  534. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    539. “If President Warren is as horrible as we all think she would be, then she can be beaten the next time.”

    So as a “conservative Republican” you really believe it is better that a socialist like Warren is elected rather than Trump. Who are you trying to kid?

  535. NYCmike says:

    “Trump will have destroyed conservatism from within. Is it really worth it? Just for the snarky Tweets and because some anchors looked sad on Election Night?”

    1) He won’t destroy conservatism.
    2) Was November 8, 2016 worth it? YES, dang straight.
    3) November 3, 2020 – let’s defeat the liberal Democrats again.

  536. Wes says:

    I really can’t get emotionally invested in helping Trump win re-election even though I’m voting for him.

    Even so, a second Trump Administration is a guarantee of 1958- or 1974-style losses in Congress followed by a decisive presidential defeat in 2024.

    Please don’t tell me “Well, Trump has changed the rules of elections.” He clearly hasn’t as 2018 proved.

    Now given the fact that the above scenario is effectively a guarantee if Trump wins a second term given his his chronic unpopularity how exactly is that “beating the liberal Democrats again”?

    I’m waiting for Mikey to explain that.

    By the way, Mikey, you told me Trump will govern as a liberal in his second term. I guess a liberal Republican is fine with you while a liberal Democrat is not.

    In any event it’s all academic. Presidents with Trump’s perennial low popularity don’t win re-election. He’s not going to be the first.

  537. Wes says:

    In an ideal world, Trump would have Reagan’s charisma and be inoffensive so as to be in a solid position for reelection.

    That’s not this world, and I don’t want to see any arguments that Reagan never had to deal with hostile media. I’ve seen them before, and they’re outright lies.

  538. NYCmike says:

    “you told me Trump will govern as a liberal in his second term.”

    -You are better than George RR Martin.

  539. Ron N says:

    Who thinks any republican president would not bashed by the press. Look at both bush’s and Macain, Romney. The only thing different is trump fights back if he was like the bushes he be at 15% if lucky. I been bagging for a long time for someone to fight back.

  540. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 7:36 pm
    No, I think YOU don’t care about SCOTUS picks. Kind of curious for a conservative….Hmmm

    – I’m shocked by how stupid you have become in the age of Trump, but you boomers are entering that stage of life where the metal faculties go.

    If you don’t think I care about SCOTUS picks, then you have ignored the last 15 years of posts by me in this forum. And since I know that’s not true, you’re once again lashing out because you’re made you’re not getting your wall and Trump is screwing up everything.

    If you think the average voter cares about a SCOTUS pick, then you haven’t been paying attention. If all that matters to you is SCOTUS picks, that’s fine. It’s not enough of a reason to get me to vote for a mentally unwell scumbag and, as I wrote, the average voter doesn’t care about it the way partisans do.

  541. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    August 28, 2019 at 7:40 pm
    Breyer is 81. Do you think he wants to spend the rest of his life on the bench?

    – Do you actually think he’s going to willingly retire while Trump is president. Even if the moron wins in 2020, Breyer would only be 86 when the dope leaves office in 2025.

  542. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    554. If Reagan was a politician now, social media would have ripped him to shreds; they would focus on any mistaken or lapse of memory, and published shocking tales of Reagan’s horrible activities, both real and imagined, when he was in Hollywood.
    It would have been 24/7. You cannot compare the 1980’s with today.

  543. lisab says:

    if trump wins in 2020

    the dems will have a civil war

    and not be in a good position for 2024

  544. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    August 28, 2019 at 7:57 pm
    Would President Trump care more about conservatives in a second term than a Democrat President Warren?
    seriously?

    – Again, why are you convinced Warren is going to be the nominee? She’s way behind nationally. It reminds me of everyone who was convinced Rubio was going to be the nominee even though he was polling in the single digits at this point in 2015.

    The most likely nominee is Biden. He’s polling like Trump did. Nothing dents his standing other than an occasional crap poll.

  545. NYCmike says:

    “Even if the moron wins in 2020, Breyer would only be 86 when the dope leaves office in 2025.”

    -The “moron” and the “dope”!?!?

    No wonder we are great again!

  546. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    August 28, 2019 at 8:06 pm
    Obama was as horrible as we thought he would be and he was re-elected. You fight to win the battle you are in (2020) and not the next one (2024).

    – Mostly because Romney (a good man) was the wrong person to take on Obama and the Republican primary became freak show that left Romney broke until the convention. On top of that, it’s hard to beat an incumbent when the economy is improving.

  547. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    +In 2016, everyone assured us that it was impossible for Trump to win the election. He won.

    +In 2017/2018, we were assured that Mueller and other investigators would drive Trump out of office prior to his term ending. The investigations fizzled and Trump is completing his term.

    +In 2019, we are being assured it is impossible for Trump to be re-elected in 2020; excuse our skepticism, but your crystal ball has not been working properly.

  548. Wes says:

    I heard the same thing in 2004, Lisa. How’d that work out in 2008?

  549. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    561. “The most likely nominee is Biden. He’s polling like Trump did. Nothing dents his standing other than an occasional crap poll.”

    Standing is not the issue; its his talking & mental acuity that raises a concern:

    https://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1166119781847773184

  550. Wes says:

    Right, SDC.

    Liberals didn’t make music videos saying Reagan would start WWIII.

    The media didn’t openly highlight the early signs of Reagan’s decline into Alzheimer’s.

    Filmmakers and authors didn’t produce works characterizing Reagan as an anti-poor tool of the upper class planned to turn the world into a post apocalyptic wasteland with rich people secluded in enclaves while everyone else starved or died of AIDS.

    Media figures didn’t say Reagan was an amiable dunce and openly favorably compare Gorbachev to him.

    Comics didn’t portray Reagan as a shadowy dictator using Superman to destroy all his enemies.

    I wish I lived in your alternate universe where all was wine and roses from 1980 to 1989 and everyone sang hosannas lovingly during the Reagan Era with no near continuous pernicious attacks on the President as an evil dolt in thrall to wealthy interests and warmongers.

  551. Wes says:

    I love how in the SDCverse, Reagan never had to deal with any negatives from the Left and never had a problem with anyone’s questioning his judgment or personally attacking him or portraying him as evil or doing anything—because clearly by having a kindly, charismatic temperament the Gipper couldn’t possibly have handled such a thing and would have lost in a landslide in at least 1984 had he managed to sneak by Carter in 1980.

  552. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    SDC clearly did not take it to that extreme.

    BUT, the 2019 media market is markedly different than the 1980’s.

    As well as the political world.

    The simple fact that a Barack Obama, and for that matter, a Donald Trump was able to run for, and win, the Presidency, is evidence of that!

  553. NYCmike says:

    Also, to think that Trump, at past 70 years of age, would turn into some dignified political Churchillian character is absurd.

    He will act like he has his whole life.

  554. lisab says:

    I heard the same thing in 2004, Lisa. How’d that work out in 2008?
    ————————-

    the civil war has begun

  555. lisab says:

    Dems Sound Alarm: Trump Is ‘Carpet-Bombing’ Us in Key Battlegrounds

    “Where’s all the support? People generally are feeling Trump is beating us on all fronts right now,” one DNC official said.

    Several Democratic National Committee members have a message to their organization’s top leadership: President Trump is crushing us.

    After pledging to compete everywhere ahead of the next election, multiple DNC members told The Daily Beast they have privately sounded alarms about the organization’s strategy heading into 2020, emphasizing what they view as Chairman Tom Perez’s inability to reach swing voters in Midwestern battleground states who voted for the president. A handful of Midwestern targets were critical to Trump’s general election success in 2016.

  556. lisab says:

    Ilhan Omar issues terse denial on allegations of affair with married DC consultant

    Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar is denying allegations of an affair with a married Washington, D.C., consultant.

    “No, I am not,” Omar said Tuesday. “As I said yesterday, I love him like a brother.”

  557. dblaikie says:

    “In any event it’s all academic” Wes, your certainty in this roller coaster ride that is our politics is breathtaking. If I remember right, though, you were just as certain that Trump was going to lose in 2016. You were not an egotistical jerk like MD, but correct me if I don’t remember correctly, but you were pretty certain. And truthfully with your political knowledge and grasp of history your positions deserve respect.

    However, even though I don’t pretend to think that I am as knowledgeable about the Senate and Congressional election as you (boy did I prove that in 2016) I am secure in my knowledge of Presidential Elections. One thing I am certain about is the uncertainty of our times. Trump is a politician like no other in the history of our Country. The Democratic has morphed into left wing socialist movement where the divide between Trump’s GOP and the Dems is unbridgeable. In the past both parties tried to appear reasonable and middle of the road. That is not going to happen in 2020. In this cycle, more than ever before, the voters are going to be left with a stark choice — no grey area. Once again that is a first.

    My point is that you seem to talk about the past to predict what is going to happen. But that is where I believe you are wrong. Between Trump’s tenure and the rise of left wing lunacy we are on new territory. The past as a predictor has been blown out of the water. Add to that the current Democratic front runner has early stage dementia (just my opinion) and we are really in a new place.

    Being a hopeful person, who honestly believes that in the end voters will vote their self interest I am confident that Trump will win. But in this age of uncertainty where stuff changes on a daily basis, my confidence makes me very nervous.

  558. dblaikie says:

    Of course in the above post second paragraph I meant 2018.

  559. lisab says:

    dblaikie,

    keep in mind that a person flipping a coin could have predicted every presidential election since 2000 with a 1/32 chance

    that is, even someone with zero knowledge could have predicted every presidential election since 2000 with zero knowledge at all

    then add in that there are polls that help people on hhr make correct predictions, i.e. those who claim superior knowledge have people telling them what they have found by calling up thousands of people and asking them how they will vote

    literally you would have had to call every election since 2000 to be considered statistically significant

    i don’t think anyone on hhr has done this.

  560. Wes says:

    While I did predict Hillary would win in 2016, DB, I also said Trump had an outside shot an upset (I didn’t expect to materialize) and expected a 279-259 EV victory for her accompanied by a 48-46 popular-vote victory.

    Of course your point about self-interest is a valid one. Nonetheless, that works ONLY if they perceive Trump to be in their self-interest. None of the hard data we have since 2017–elections and polling results—indicates that’s the case.

    Effectively you’re arguing against objective data with subjective data and arguing the subjective trumps the objective. I argue the opposite. Empirical, objective data indicate Trump is an unpopular President voters have soured on and do not consider to be the candidate best representing their self-interest.

    I don’t expect the Dems to blow Trump out next year, but with all available data, regardless of quality, indicating Trump is likely to lose, I go with what I see rather than what I want to see.

    It would take a major sea change of events for Trump to be a favorite for re-election. He’s engaged in too many self-inflicted wounds for that, and I expect his ouster next year.

    It needn’t have been this way, but those are the dangers of electing a reality show host with no filter directing his thoughts and actions. He loses nuance and begins to grate, thus leading to his unenviable position as he gears up for reelection.

  561. John says:

    Interesting Gallup stat….
    Most recent party affliliation:

    July 1-12 – R’s +2 (29R’s/27D’s/38I’s)

    Now compare
    January of 2018 – D’s+10
    Election day of 2018 – D’s +3
    Election day of 2016 – D’s +4
    Election day of 2012 – D’s +5
    Election day of 2008 – D’s +5

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

  562. jason says:

    Don’t listen to them, listen to the AFL-CIO conservatives…

    “Washington (AFP) – President Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Chinese goods are a “job killer” that will slam consumers and could make a recession more likely, industry groups said Wednesday.

    The latest cry for peace in Trump’s year-long trade war came just days before the first in series of tariff increases is due to go into effect — potentially raising prices ahead of the crucial holiday shopping period.

    In a sharp deterioration in the US-China trade war, Trump last week ramped up the punitive duties for the vast majority of US imports from China.

    The five percent increases, which will take the tariffs to 15 percent and 30 percent, are due to roll out in stages through December and target some popular items, such as laptops, mobile phones and some shoes.

    More than 200 footwear manufacturers and retailers, including major brands such as Nike and Foot Locker, signed onto the letter alerting that the new tariffs could cost US consumers an additional $4 billion a year and increase the chances of an economic downturn.

    A broad array of 160 other trade groups — including software and electronics manufacturers, as well as retailers, liquor producers and others — also warned Trump of higher prices and damaged consumer confidence and urged him to abandon the tariff strategy.

    “We’ve been telling the White House since the beginning that tariffs will be paid by Americans in the form of higher prices, and that due to our already high import taxes, this will be a job killer,” Matt Priest, president of the Footwear Distributors and Retailers of America, said in a statement.

    The footwear group directly disputed Trump’s claim that China is bearing the cost of the tariffs.

    “There is no doubt that tariffs act as hidden taxes paid by American individuals and families,” its letter said.”

  563. jason says:

    So Amoral Scumbag “cares” about SCOTUS picks but still wants a socialist to win in 2020.

    It’s clear now.

  564. jason says:

    You really trust Trump in a second term? When he doesn’t have to answer to anyone anymore?

    Really?”

    I have never trusted Trump. Certainly if he said he was now for free trade I wouldn’t trust him.

    But on judicial picks, he has been excellent.

    There is no reason to think he would not appoint the same type of judges in his second term. None.

    To suggest otherwise makes no sense whatsoever.

  565. jason says:

    He thinks Mike Pence and some of you are “Jesus Freaks.”

    Funny. That is what Corey and Amoral Scumbag always thought of Pence.

  566. jason says:

    Wow, someone has Corey and Amoral Scumbag pegged to a “T”…

    “Alexandra DeSanctis
    ?Verified account @xan_desanctis

    The fact that hardcore Never Trump pundits have settled on *squints, checks notes* Joe Walsh and Mark Sanford as better options than the president says a lot about whether they want to preserve conservatism or whether they simply despise Trump.”

    Bingo.

  567. jason says:

    “No, I am not,” Omar said Tuesday. “As I said yesterday, I love him like a brother.”

    Heh, considering that she has been accused of marrying her brother, this might not be a good denial.

  568. dblaikie says:

    Wes you miss my point. Agree or disagree with me, I am arguing that the political landscape is so changed that objective data from the past is interesting, informative, but no longer that predictive of what is going to happen in 2020. The political world of 2008 is so far removed from the reality today that to use it as an example of what is going to happen in 2020 is problematic at best.
    Now I know that you will disagree with me, but that is why we are having this debate.

  569. VictrC says:

    So we have heard nothing but attacks on Trump (some deserved) from the NT contingent and the left, all saying if anyone else had been President things would have been different.

    But, those same have revealed themselves with their current attacks on Pence as a “Jesus Freak.” Who here honestly thinks that if Pence had been President the left and resident NT contingent wouldn’t have run with the same white racist meme, but added the “Christian nationalist, Jesus freak” attacks as well.

  570. jason says:

    You bet, and Amoral Scumbag would have been leading the charge.

  571. dblaikie says:

    Another area that adds to the uncertainty in the world today is polling. Like I say, I believe some polls are published to drive a narrative no not give an accurate picture. And by the way if you believe that Rasmussen is driving a pro Trump narrative, than I respect that.

    But more than that, world wide, polling firms are having difficulty with national polls. This has been true in Britain, Europe and Australia. For some reason there seems to be trouble getting an accurate voting model. I don’t think that this extends to local and statewide polling because local polls seemed to be, for the most part, not inaccurate in 2018. But at least for me the jury is very much out for national and particularly exit polls.

  572. Wes says:

    DB, the world of 2018–wherein Republicans lost hefty numbers of congressional seats, mostly on generally favorable ground, because Trump energized the opposition—is only eight months in the past. The only thing that’s changed since is that Trump has begun his reelection bid.

    He’s still an unpopular President whose own internal polling shows him in a weak position for reelection.

    The fact that a controversial New York-based businessman with no previous electoral experience previously known for liberal views after flirting with running for President beat a New York-based politician for President in 2016 in no way means anything has changed politically since it’s not even a first time development. Let me refer you to the 1928 election, in which Herbert Hoover beat Al Smith.

    There’s nothing genuinely new in politics. Trump is just a GOP Huey Long who managed to outwork a loathsome opponent for President. He’s unusual because of his controversial nature but in no way unique.

    All of this means I’m perfectly comfortable with writing his political obituary. Winning as a colorful outsider and first-time candidate who overcomes an entitled, elitist opponent is one thing. It’s happened before. Winning as an unpopular incumbent who never ceases to do the exact things that engender negative emotions in people is something no President has ever accomplished—or ever will accomplish.

  573. jason says:

    My wife thinks almost everybody she knows that has not said they are voting for a Dem (or Trump) are actually voting for Trump.

    There was definitely a “shy Trump voter” in 2016 that was not reflected in the polls, that is one explanation of why Trump outperformed most of them. This can explain exit poll errors too.

    And if there was, there will be more shy Trump voters this time around. In 2016, you could be accused of voting for a blowhard. Now if you support Trump, you are a racist bent on destroying humanity and the environment.

    Now there is a legitimate question as to whether people shy of telling friends and co-workers they are voting for Trump would actually be shy of telling a pollster. If I had to guess, I would say yes.

    I have not been polled yet on 2020. But if I am called, I am not saying I will vote for Trump, I will say undecided.

  574. jason says:

    Where I disagree with wes’ analysis is that he seems to think it doesn’t matter who the Dem nominee is.

    I think it matters. I think a Warren or Sanders will have big problems in the rustbelt just like Hillary did, and Biden less so.

    When you look at a national poll showing Warren ahead of Trump by 6 points, and that is a poll that skews DEM, and you take Amoral Scumbag’s recommendation to “shave a few points”, and you know she is getting huge majorities in CA and NY and other blue states, you can easily see that the rust belt states will be competitive.

    Wes may be right that Trump would lose to anybody. At this point I think he would beat Sanders and run well against Warren. I still think Biden is the Dem’s best bet, but also the most likely to self destruct in a GE.

    We will see who is right.

  575. dblaikie says:

    Wes, I am sorry but Presidential elections are not the same as Congressional election. You seem to think that Trump was on the ballot in every case, and while that may be true for some local elections it wasn’t true for all. Besides since you love objective fact from past history, how can you avoid the past facts that the incumbent party that holds the Presidency usually loses in the midterms. I am sorry, but your argument has holes in it. Frankly, so do mine. As Jason argues, “We will see who is right.”

  576. jason says:

    You won’t read about this in any news outlet Amoral Scumbag reads…

    “Rep. Ilhan Omar violated campaign finance law by using campaign funds to pursue an affair with married Democratic consultant Tim Mynett, according to a complaint filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) Wednesday.

    “Omar’s campaign has disbursed $223,000 to Tim Mynett’s company, E. Street Group, LLC, from August 2018 through June 2019, mostly for fundraising consulting, FEC records show. But on April 1, her campaign began making payments to E. Street Group for “travel expenses.”

    Less than a week later, on April 7, Tim Mynett confessed to his wife that he was “romantically involved with and in love with” Omar, according to a divorce filing Tuesday by Dr. Beth Jordan Mynett.

    Beth Mynett said in her filing that her husband’s “more recent travel and long work hours now appear to be more related to his affair with Rep. Omar than with his actual work commitments.”

  577. jason says:

    Mostly because Romney (a good man)”

    Sometimes Amoral Scumbag makes me want to vomit.

    A good man? After Amoral Scumbag attacked his honor, his family, his background, his wife, his father, his work, his associations, his religion, for what 2 years?

    No personal attack was too sordid, too over the top, too disgusting, too outlandish for Amoral Scumbag to regurgitate here. The dog, the vulture capitalism BS, the horse, the caddies, the elevator, the Romney invented Obamacare BS, the “47%” BS, you name it, he posted it here.

    I now think Romney is scum because he has become a groveling and simpering MSM toadie whose only ambition is to be adulated by the same left wing sources that destroyed his candidacy, but I will still defend him from any of the bogus charges Amoral Scumbag made against him in 2012. It was all character assassination.

  578. jason says:

    Here we go:

    “Former FBI Director James Comey violated agency policies when he retained and leaked a set of memos he took documenting meetings with President Donald Trump early in 2017, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report released Thursday.”

  579. Bitterlaw says:

    Is this the report that Tina has said was “imminent” for the last 2 years? If so, I will wait for her summary.