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Biden Leads Dems in Three National Polls

Either Monmouth University was completely off base with their poll earlier in the week or there has been a huge surge back to Joe Biden in the last couple days. I would guess the former. Here are the latest national polls for the Democratic primary from Emerson College, Quinnipiac University and USA/Today Suffolk University.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Emerson)
Joe Biden 31%
Bernie Sanders 24%
Elizabeth Warren 15%
Kamala Harris 10%
Andrew Yang 4%
Pete Buttigieg 3%
Cory Booker 3%
Tulsi Gabbard 3%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (Quinnipiac)
Joe Biden 32%
Elizabeth Warren 19%
Bernie Sanders 15%
Kamala Harris 7%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Andrew Yang 3%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (USA Today/Suffolk)
Joe Biden 32%
Elizabeth Warren 14%
Bernie Sanders 12%
Kamala Harris 6%
Pete Buttigieg 6%
Andrew Yang 3%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

But while Emerson and Quinnipiac agree on Biden leading among Democrats, their respective views of the General race are vastly different.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Emerson)
Joe Biden (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%

Kamala Harris (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 51%
Pete Buttigieg (D) 49%

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL (Quinnipiac)
Joe Biden (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 38%

Bernie Sanders (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 39%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

Kamala Harris (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

The Quinnipiac poll was done August 21-26 among 648 registered Democratic primary voters and 1422 registered general election voters. The Emerson poll was done August 24-26 among 627 registered primary voters and 1458 registered general election voters. The USA Today/Suffolk poll was done August 20-25 among 424 registered primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 11:13 am
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433 Responses to “Biden Leads Dems in Three National Polls”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. jason says:

    Trailing A-hole.

  3. jason says:

    I guess you won’t see Amoral Scumbag breathlessly quoting the Emerson poll.

    Doesn’t fit his narrative.

  4. jason says:

    “Comey had several other lawful options available to him to advocate for the appointment of a Special Counsel, which he told us was his goal in making the disclosure,” the report says. “What was not permitted was the unauthorized disclosure of sensitive investigative information, obtained during the course of FBI employment, in order to achieve a personally desired outcome.”

  5. Bitterlaw says:

    Real Breaking News – Romney declares his support for BYU over the University of Utah in tonight’s football game. Posted on his FB page. Developing….

  6. jason says:

    So the report basically says Comey was motivated by personal bias.

    Shameful.

    Yet this morning he stated that “those who predicted he was going to jail were wrong”.

    So the FBI Director is shown to have made important decisions for the country based on personal ulterior motives, no apologies for that, just “hey, I am not going to jail”.

  7. jason says:

    Let me guess.

    BYU gets more press coverage than the University of Utah?

  8. jason says:

    Based on that Emerson poll, considering the “wasted votes” the socialists would have, I would say Trump would lose narrowly to Biden and win against everyone else.

    What is basically shows is that the election in 2020 might not be that different from 2016, the country is divided down the middle.

    What is good for Trump here is that it appears that once again, a lot of people who don’t approve of him will vote for him nonetheless.

  9. jason says:

    Another surprising thing about the Emerson poll is how Bernie is hanging in there.

    I am thinking of sending him a check.

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney went to BYU. I never heard of the University of Utah.

  11. jason says:

    Finally, it also shows the Dems can run the ghost of Jeffrey Dahmer and still get about half the vote against Trump.

  12. jason says:

    Romney would have picked the University of Utah if he thought it would get him quoted in more papers.

  13. jason says:

    The polling results are so disparate it is hard to have confidence in them.

    Sanders is at 24% in one and 12% in another. Someone is very wrong, unless he is at 18% and they are both very wrong.

  14. lisab says:

    in 2016 almost everyone was saying hillary would win big …

    the trolls were saying Idaho was in play

    that is not true today. even the trolls are being careful not to make specific prediction like in 2016 … because they know they would likely be wrong and don’t want to have their words used against them later

    trump is in a better position today than he was in 2015 … he can certainly lose … but his chances are much better than they were in 2016

    he will have the RNC
    he will have three times more money than in 2016
    he does not have to fight in the primaries
    people who did not vote in 2016 because they thought trump had zero chance will vote this time
    the dem candidate will likely not have the support hillary had from women and blacks
    the dem candidate will almost certainly be on record as supporting amnesty for illegals, medicare for all, reparations, and higher taxes
    the dnc is not raising money

    so long as the economy stays good, trump can win

  15. Big Joe says:

    Let’s remember that a Dem + 2-3 is probably a tossup. Dem +4 would mean a close Dem win.

    Big Joe

  16. Wes says:

    Lisa, Hillary lost support among women and blacks from Obama’s showing. At least among blacks, Biden is likely to be stronger than Hillary because of his stint as Veep. Indeed, blacks—who were instrumental in Hillary’s primary defeats in 2008–are among Biden’s core group of supporters. Therefore it’s logical if Biden wins the nomination he will have more support from blacks than Hillary enjoyed against Trump.

  17. dblaikie says:

    Joe Biden will not make it to the nomination. The man needs to rest and preserve the facilities he still has.

  18. jason says:

    I think Biden might have more blue collar (undeserved) and black support than Hillary.

    I don’t see anybody else in the field doing better among those groups than Hillary however.

  19. jason says:

    Let’s remember that a Dem + 2-3 is probably a tossup. Dem +4 would mean a close Dem win.

    Big Joe”

    Right.

    But with the polling tending to underestimate Trump, a +4 might really be a +2.

    We saw that in 2016, there was a general consensus that Hillary was up by 4-5 points, but she was actually about +2.

  20. jason says:

    Tucker Carlson:

    “I sympathize with candidates when they get out,” Carlson said. “But with Kirsten Gillibrand it can’t come a moment too soon. I can’t think of someone more false, nastier, crueler, more self-centered, dumber, can you?”

    Huh, maybe Beto, but it is close.

  21. Wes says:

    The C-listers vying to take on Thom Tillis are giving him an early gift of a divisive primary:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/29/ny_donations_in_nc_primary_fuel_charges_of_meddling__141115.html

    For reasons I’ve often stated before I’ve never bought into the notion that Tillis is particularly vulnerable. That the Dems are fighting among themselves and highlighting the presence of out-of-state interests in their primary is only a help to him.

  22. jason says:

    dblaikie, I am also skeptical Dems will go with their best candidate on paper.

    It’s amazing that Biden, who is a 76 year old baggage ridden gaffe machine, creepy as heck to boot, and fairly close to senile if not there already, IS their best candidate.

    If he is nominated and self destructs during the GE campaign, Trump is one lucky bastard.

  23. dblaikie says:

    Jason we could be so lucky to have Biden make it through the nomination. Talk about big cloud of nothing but smoke and mirrors. The only analogy I can think of is the Wizard of Oz. Biden is truly the man behind the curtain, or should I say his campaign are the people behind the curtain trying to create a false illusion. Frankly the longer they can make the illusion last — the better for Trump.

  24. Big Joe says:

    “We saw that in 2016, there was a general consensus that Hillary was up by 4-5 points, but she was actually about +2.”

    Or the undecided went to Trump and helped him close the gap. Anyway, this is why I really like these polls that have no undecided voters. In reality, there are very very few undecideds. Most folks lean strongly in one direction and pollsters should recognize that. Any poll that has 15% undecided is trash (like the Q poll in the headline).

    Big Joe

  25. dblaikie says:

    Truthfully Biden is the proof that Wes has a point to a certain point. If Trump had behaved better and not act like a petulant child, at times, he would be 15 points or more ahead at this point. The problem with Wes’s scenario is that he carries it far and doesn’t factor in that the Dems best candidate is creepy old man who is getting more senile everyday.

  26. Bitterlaw says:

    People see what they want. For everyone who thinks Biden has lost it, there is a Dem who thinks he is sharp and energetic. We’ll see which Biden shows up in the next debates.

    Biden is like Eli Manning. Eagles fans say he sucks. Giants fans say he sucks now but has 2 SB rings and can still win in the right situation.

  27. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    5. “Real Breaking News – Romney declares his support for BYU over the University of Utah in tonight’s football game.”

    Yes!!!!!!!! Go Cougars!!!!!!

  28. VictrC says:

    25. Agreed dbl…if Trump acted quasi civilized, like when he wished RBG a speedy recovery with a very nice couple sentences, it would go a long way to helping his numbers….but only to a point.

    He could be the Lord/Lincoln/Roosevelt/Bhudda reincarnated and 43% would still vote against him, call him a racist, etc because he has an R after his name

    Additionally, if he lost a lot of the brashness he would lose a lot of blue collar support who likes him because he is someone who finally stands up to the effete elite who they despise.

    So its a mixed bag.

  29. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “I would say Trump would lose narrowly to Biden and win against everyone else.”

    Agree.

    An important issue for Trump, who claims to be an expert deal maker, is if he is successful in resolving the trade war with China. Since the g7 summit, both sides have been indicate they are in favor of resolving it.

  30. Wes says:

    Vic, did Reagan lose blue collar support because he had a filter to keep him from saying stupid things every other sentence?

    Between 1980 and 1984, Reagan went from 51% to 58% of the vote. There’s a way to stand up to people and make one’s thoughts known without looking like an idiot. Trump seems incapable of understanding that.

    Contrary to the HHR meme, the Left despised Reagan and never once missed a chance to savage and attack him. He just knew how to conduct himself and prosper in the face of their assaults.

  31. VictrC says:

    Wes

    wasn’t comparing Trump to Reagan….there is no comparison. Reagan was a master. He did it perfectly and imagine if he ran now he would destroy anyone of these yoo hoo’s

    Trump does not know how to make his thoughts known without totally screwing it up.

    This is why he could very well lose a winnable election next year, after winning an unwinnable one just three years ago

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If the Democrats nominated a candidate like Bullock or Hickenlooper, who appeal to centralist voters, then I think Trump would likely lose. As it stands now, the choice is between Biden, who is a great candidate on paper but has serious issue of mental fitness issues, or several far left candidates. If Trump wins, Democratic incompetency will be a major factor. Trump’s victory will be powered by voters who held their nose and voted for him as the lesser of two evils.

  33. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    *has serious issues of mental fitness

  34. 34. Wish I could forget Obama that way.

  35. DW says:

    Biden is not going to be the nominee folks. The only thing keeping him alive now is overall lack of exposure this 2020 Dem primary currently has. People are only loosely paying attention. Once it gets down to a smaller number and its the debates leading up to January 2020, people will see how for gone Biden is.

    The problem with the others is they all believe they will have to go hard left to win the nomination, when in fact there are a host of states that do not require party identification to vote in the primary. The question put to the voter when they walk into the voting place is, ‘do you want the Republican ballot or the Democrat ballot?’

    With no race on the GOP side, more than usual will ask for the Dem ballot, which will have the effect of pushing a more centrist electorate into the Dem primary. So a Biden-like candidate is a good fit for that environment, but the only candidate who is Biden-like is Biden, who is no longer capable of being a good candidate.

  36. NYCmike says:

    Heh!

    Actually, since Trump took the oath of office, I haven’t thought too much about Barack Hussein Obama.

    Unlike Robbie and “CG”, who since they believe Trump to be the worst President ever, must be pining for a return to those halcyon days….

  37. NYCmike says:

    https://deadspin.com/my-husband-is-dying-every-day-1837411982

    -I need to speak with my sister this weekend…..one of her boys loves football…..better off playing hockey or lacrosse.

  38. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/lindsey-graham-is-wrong-its-long-past-time-to-get-out-of-afghanistan/

    -Dubya was correct to make Iraq the focus instead of Afghanistan……too bad he refused to allow the military to do what they needed to do.

    Obama was a fool for getting out of Iraq and going more heavily into Afghanistan. That place has shown over the millennia that it is a real tough place to change.

  39. CG says:

    “Dubya was correct to make Iraq the focus”

    And you call yourself a Trump supporter?

  40. NYCmike says:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-pilot-landed-f35-safely-after-power-failure-2019-8

    -Love how the pilot is able to evaluate his own performance under stress.

  41. Wes says:

    Isn’t it amazing how Mikey considers himself America’s Sun Tzu?

    Iraq was a boondoggle built on a lie from Day One and ended the only way it could. Only cowards such as Mikey who supported that failure while studiously avoiding serving and Bushbots mourn our much justified departure from Iraq.

  42. NYCmike says:

    “And you call yourself a Trump supporter?”

    -No, I don’t.

    I say I support the President, who won the Republican primary fair and square, and the general election in 2016, and whom I then evaluate on the actions he has taken in the last 2+ years.

  43. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    Remind us again why you didn’t serve.

  44. CG says:

    I am not debating the actions taken in Iraq. It’s an old irrelvant debate at this point. I clearly believe they were the right thing to do. But how in the world can NYC love Donald Trump and hate everyone else in the Republican Party and hold that view?

  45. Wes says:

    I went to college and started a good job after graduating, Mikey.

    Then again, unlike you, I never demanded we go into Iraq while refusing to enlist, did I?

  46. CG says:

    Yet another NYC contradiction…

    Trump hates dogs and NYC defends them here?

    If Trump wanted to make dog-owning illegal, NYC would call it a small price to deregulation.

  47. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    I didn’t refuse anything.

    Our nation has a volunteer military. I chose not to enlist, like about 95% of the citizens of this country.

    Maybe I should have, and have thought about it over the years, but I didn’t.

    That said, there is no reason to not participate in discussions about the use of military force because I didn’t enlist.

  48. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    You keep saying that I will have certain opinions, yet I don’t.

    Maybe you should just stick to defending good, moral, conservative Republicans like Joe Walsh and Denny Hastert.

  49. Wes says:

    In other words, Mikey, you supported putting other people’s asses on the line but thought your own was too valuable to risk. Good to know.

  50. CG says:

    It’s just laughable NYC that you won’t even own up to being a staunch Trump supporter

    For years, there was nothing anybody in the Republican Party could do right in your eyes. You still say that about them.

    But there is literally nothing Donald Trump can do wrong in your eyes.

    Just own up to it.

  51. NYCmike says:

    “Trump hates dogs and NYC defends them here?”

    -As far as I know, he doesn’t eat them, so I have no issue with his personal feelings, as they don’t affect me at all.

    You do understand how that works, right?

    He doesn’t seek legislation for every little issue, like his Democratic opponent will, if that person were to win next November…….but then again, you have already said Trump is worse than any of them.

  52. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In my view the 2003 invasion of Iraq was one of the worst foreign policy blunders in U.S. history. Even Jeb Bush admitted it was a mistake. Saying that, Obama’s ill-timed withdrawal from Iraq was another blunder. One of the unfortunate consequences of the Iraq blunders is that it has all but wiped out Christianity in Iraq; the Christian population, formerly up to 5% of the population, has mostly fled.

  53. CG says:

    But Trump, who legitimately hates dogs, wanted to make them illegal, you wouldn’t say a word in protest.

  54. NYCmike says:

    #56 – But he hasn’t.

    Again, do you see how that works?

    Your fantasy vs. the reality.

  55. CG says:

    No, he hasn’t, but *if* he did, your reaction is easy to predict.

  56. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    You just were surprised by several of my statements, yet you continue to say how I would react in different theoretical situations.

    You don’t know when to quit.

  57. CG says:

    Yes, because there is one constant with you.

    Trump= good, all the time
    Any one but Trumo= bad all the time, unless they are supporting Trump on that matter, and in that case, see above.

  58. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    Has there been any military excursion, in your lifetime after you turned 18, that you supported?

  59. Wes says:

    After 2006, maintaining troops in Iraq was an impossible goal, SDC. That year and again in 2008, Americans voted decisively against maintaining our presence there.

    The Iraqis knew that but made no effort to prepare themselves for our inevitable departure. That’s 100% their fault, not ours.

    I really haven’t any sympathy for them and never will.

  60. CG says:

    I disagree very strongly with Wes on this matter, but at least he is consistent.

    He opposed the efforts of goals of the U.S. in the Iraq War just like he opposed the efforts and goals of the U.S. in the Civil War.

  61. NYCmike says:

    #60 – got it.

    You will ignore the several comments directly above which you said were in direct contrast to what Trump wants/believes/acted on.

    Are you coming or going right now?

  62. Wes says:

    Better question, Mikey:

    After I turned 18, has there been any military action based on at best dubious reasoning I have supported despite never having served in the military?

    The answer is no.

  63. lisab says:

    Biden is likely to be stronger than Hillary because of his stint as Veep.
    ——————————-

    he won’t get the women like hillary

    and

    he likely won’t be the nominee

  64. CG says:

    Mikey, it’s not just me. Even you fellow Trump supporters on HHR say you would shoot a Chihuahua on Fifth Avenue for Trump.

    Maybe a Great Dane this month?

  65. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    62. Wes, I respect what your saying, but do disagree. There is the old adage “you break it, you fix it.” We had a lot of people in Iraq rally to help us, such as the Sunni Awakening. It was wrong to abandon them, just as it was wrong for Trump to contemplate abandoning the Kurds — I vehemently opposed both actions.

  66. DW says:

    If I had to guess, right now I would say the 2020 election will be Trump vs. Warren

  67. lisab says:

    warren will get 95% of the women hillary did

    but won’t get the minorities like hillary

    and certainly not the blue collar people like biden

  68. NYCmike says:

    “Even you fellow Trump supporters on HHR say you would shoot a Chihuahua on Fifth Avenue for Trump.”

    -LOL!

    Go back up to your moral high ground, Mr. Sanctimonious!

    I want to keep seeing you explain how you want Trump to lose, but you don’t want the Democrat to win.

  69. CG says:

    It’s an easy concept.

    I want Trump to lose.

    Doesn’t mean I want a Democrat to win.

    I want someone else to win. But I want Trump to lose above all else. He’s the worser of all evils.

    Preferably though, he doesn’t even run. That would be even better than his losing.

  70. Phil says:

    I’ll wait for confirmation on that one if you don’t mind. I’m still laughing at the Breathless reporting from MSNBC that Trump had Russian co-signers on his business transactions.

  71. CG says:

    So, you think it’s entirely fake?

    I guess that makes it easier.

  72. CG says:

    Here’s a copy of the letter the families received:

    https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/08/26/medical-deferment-immigration-program-ended

    Forgery?

    The Administration knew not to announce this decision publicly. I wonder why.

  73. Phil says:

    I said what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. We had one Report yesterday from NBC just yesterday which was total bull….so no, I don’t automatically lap up anything the MSM puts out there as valid. I’ll wait for confirmation if you don’t mind.

  74. CG says:

    What will classify as confirmation?

    I have linked to the letter on Department of Homeland Security letterhead.

  75. lisab says:

    I want Trump to lose.

    Doesn’t mean I want a Democrat to win.
    —————————————-

    since it will be a binary decision

    that is exactly what you want

  76. CG says:

    Where in the Constitution does it state that the President of the United must be elected via “binary decision?”

    Plus, lisa claims she will also vote the same way as me (unless against Warren) or possibly *for* the Democrat.

  77. Phil says:

    I’m waiting to hear it from Dan Rather.

  78. CG says:

    Maybe Brian Kilmeade?

    Oh wait, Trump is mad at him today.

  79. NYCmike says:

    “CG” is adopting the liberal Democratic method of using feelings to determine the purposes of legislation, similar to his convoluted idea that he doesn’t really want the Democrat to win even though he wants the Republicans to lose.

    Horrible decisions have to be made at times. In cases like this, similar to the Terri Schiavo case from years ago, where certain entities offered to pay for her care, I would look for the government to rely on a public/private cooperative effort of some sort to deal with this immediate issue, to give everyone more time to look into this individual case.

    What I would need to know is where “CG” draws the line……how many terrible cases like this are around the world?

    Do we ever turn the people away?

    Or will we need to accept all cases?

  80. Victrc says:

    CG

    Respectful that whole story is just hyperbole meant to once again incite hatred and fear. There is NOTHING in the letter that states the person(s) WILL BE deported. It’s a form letter with many conditional tense statements in it. “May” “could be” etc

    This is a pure misinformation.

  81. CG says:

    So, if the story is fake and if all the myriad of people quoted in it are either in on the scheme or being duped and if the official government letters were elaborate forgeries…

    Does that mean the policy is indefensible?

    Or is this a good thing for the Administration to do?

  82. CG says:

    The letter clearly tell them they have 33 days to “depart” the United States. It’s perfectly clear in the letter.

    So, they have to get their dying kids out of the hospital bed and depart.

    Otherwise, how would you advise the families who received to proceed? Just rip it up and ignore it?

  83. CG says:

    These people all had interviews with DHS. They are told clearly that their interviews are cancelled and their request will not be considered.

    So, they should take their chances and ignore the letter? Why was the letter sent in the first place then?

  84. lisab says:

    Plus, lisa claims she will also vote the same way as me (unless against Warren) or possibly *for* the Democrat.
    ——————————————-

    only a dem or a rep will win, if you don’t want trump to win, then you are rooting for the dem

    which we all know anyway

  85. lisab says:

    and since i am not a “conservative republican”, naturally i will not be voting for trump, unless warren is the nominee in which case i will want trump to win and thus will vote for him.

  86. VictrC says:

    CG. Respectfully you are incorrect.

    The letter clearly states “after 33 days you MAY BE subject to a hearing … after which you MAY BE subject to removal”

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, in there states definitively that they will immediately be deported. It’s very clear that the letter is in the conditional tense

    Furthermore, it’s clearly a form letter and not targeting any illegal immigrant with a medical problem. In fact, the article (in a correction at the bottom surprise surprise) states that the person with CF who the article is about HAS NOT received this letter, even though the story claims he has earlier and makes it seem as if this ooor 16 year old has been told he’s being deported. None of that is true.

    Facts are a stubborn thing.

  87. CG says:

    But otherwise, you will be rooting for the Dem.

    Legally, somebody else is allowed to win and legally, Americans are allowed to vote beyond the “binary choice.” Whomever does win is somewhat irrelevant to me as long as the person I most want to lose does lose.

  88. CG says:

    So Vic, what should the families do? How should they think?

    If nothing else, do you not see how this could be a bit scary to them? Why was the letter sent in the first place?

    Your defense seems to be, “well, they don’t really mean it! April Fools”

  89. CG says:

    The letters went to specific families. The names were redacted in what WBUR published. Specific interviews were cancelled with specific dates of the cancelled interviews given.

  90. Phil says:

    Come on, Vic. Corey is on his moral high horse. Don’t let a bunch of facts spoil his big moment. This is what Mr Sanctimonious lives for. His sidekick should be along any moment to join him.

  91. CG says:

    *Should* these people be deported? Yes or no?

    Take a stance

    Why was the letter sent?

  92. Wes says:

    I completely understand, SDC, but the fact remains that GWB put the war effort into an untenable position by blundering almost from the beginning and not firing Rumsfeld to get a SecDef who could handle things better in charge. That made our withdrawal regardless of the situation on the ground inevitable. The war’s supporters just kept saying we had to stay there to complete the mission while never defining what that would entail. Americans were finally tired of it, and Obama did the right thing.

    Had GWB displayed a shred of competence in Iraq, it wouldn’t have worked out that way. As it stood it was time to cut losses and move on. I’m 100% behind Obama’s decision. We simply couldn’t stay there forever with no definable stratagem for concluding the occupation and leaving Iraq a better place than when we arrived.

    That’s GWB’s fault, and all polling over the past 13 years has shown Americans don’t consider Iraq to have been worth it. As such, it was unsustainable. We just couldn’t continue the war without popular support at home. Such is the nature of the beast.

    Maybe next time Republicans will elect a hawkish President who knows how to handle his war.

  93. lisab says:

    Legally, somebody else is allowed to win and legally, Americans are allowed to vote
    that is exactly what you want
    —————————————–

    sure … and in reality only one of two candidates will win

    and you will be helping the democrat

    since i am neither a democrat nor a republican, neither of the two major parties has my vote

  94. Victrc says:

    CG

    The letter is in the conditional tense because not every case is static. Each is different. You must realize that this letter is for ALL THISE who have had their case denied, for good reasons. The fact that an tiny fraction of those receiving letters might fall into this category, of receiving a letter, there is more than enough wiggle room in the letter to allow for specific cases like this.

    Please read the retraction at the end of the article. The person they featured in the article DID NOT receive the letter.

  95. CG says:

    Why cancel the interviews? There are no ifs ands or buts about the interviews being cancelled. Those who had interviews were seeking to follow legal procedures to stay.

    So, should they “depart within 33 days” as the letter directs them to or should they ignore it and stay without trying to obtain the appropriate authorization?

    The dancing here is quite a spectacle. Nobody has yet to defend the concept of kicking these sick kids out though. You rather just pretend it doesn’t exist. This is how I know that despite all the internet bluster, most of you are deeply ashamed of Donald Trump inside. If and when he loses, and once reality sets in, you will have nothing good to say about him.

    Anyways, goodnight to all.

  96. Victrc says:

    There are probably 100 cases of illegals with bad diseases being treated (and paid for by Americans) and that might be an overestimation. They should not be deported

    This letter was not written specifically for them but for the 100,000’s Of others who have had their cases denied. They might have received one but again, the letter is not pedantic. It has conditional language

    Both can be true

  97. Phil says:

    Wes, When Bush went into Iraq, two thirds of the American people supported him. They were clearly wrong. I was among them. I firmly believed Sadam had chemical and biological weapons. It was clearly crap, and based on faulty intel or worse deliberate fabrication. Makes me sick to think of all who were killed or maimed. Bush owns that 100%.

  98. NYCmike says:

    “If nothing else, do you not see how this could be a bit scary to them?”

    -He used the word “scary”. This is like the “mean” words Trump said to Congress in 2017.

    “CG”, you are what the kids call a Snowflake.

    A “lifelong, conservative Republican Snowflake”.

    heh.

  99. CG says:

    The article said around 1000 patients total. All might not have received the letter but many clearly did.

    It was specifically addressed to the family. “Dear…”

    It specifically says your interview scheduled for…… is cancelled.

    Why send the letter as a joke if you do not think it was serious? If that happened, who should be fired?

  100. NYCmike says:

    “If that happened, who should be fired?”

    -Now he wants a person, an employee, who probably has to do this since the law probably says something about it, to be fired.

    Isn’t “CG” a compassionate person?

  101. CG says:

    The person who should be fired is Donald Trump.

    If not wanting sicking children to be kicked out of hospitals to be sent to countries where they cannot be treated and will die makes me a “snowflake”, then I am happy to be part of a blizzard.

  102. Phil says:

    I might add that my best friends son was killed in Iraq in a roadside bombing. His dad has never been the same since. Horrible on a personal basis as well as a national policy blunder.

  103. NYCmike says:

    “The person who should be fired is Donald Trump.”

    -Got it.

    You accepted that story without question, VictrC just pointed out where you may be mistaken, but then you defaulted back to your de facto response “I want Trump fired! Even if it means a socialist takes over! Why couldn’t JEB!2016 be President!?!? Wah Wah Wah!”

  104. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pence-defends-bible-at-va-hospitals-vows-they-will-not-be-religion-free-zones

    -“CG”

    Religion-free zones? Yes or No?

    Trump/Pence will have one policy, Democrats will probably roll with the Obama policy.

    You, a G-D-fearing man, will punt again?

  105. Phil says:

    Come on, Mike. Corey is just more caring and compassionate than the rest of us. Just accept it. Don’t believe it? Just ask him.

  106. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    He is so far up in the clouds, I can’t see him on a clear day!

  107. Wes says:

    Those are the kinds of personal stories the war’s supporters discount, Phil. War is Hell. War based on specious reasoning and handled poorly is even worse. Iraq was a failed, unnecessary excursion. Hundreds of thousands of people died for nothing because the Bush Administration had no clue how to conduct its own war. Personal losses mounted, leading to rapidly diminishing support for the war, thus triggering deep political losses that ensured Dems would achieve power with wide enough majorities to enact a supremely radical agenda.

    It wasn’t worth it, and I refuse to pretend it was.

  108. Victrc says:

    Trump ford over a low level administrative letter which is not definitive but stated you may be deported.

    Is the low level employee who sent these out supposed to know the case of everyone sent this letter, or is this later determined by someone familiar with the case, which is why it says “may be.”

    Do you know the enormity of the DHS, and yet Trumo should be fired because of an administrative letter that may have gone out to a handful of sic people, whose case I’m certain would be dealt with properly.

    Come on. Let’s stick to serious things…like Iraq.

    Btw enlisted. Served. Fought in multiple theaters and Iraq was handled wrong because Rumsfeld wanted to go “light” and never planned for the peace.

  109. Wes says:

    Then GWB should have fired Rumsfeld in 2003 and changed tactics, Vic. He didn’t. He failed. It’s all his fault. Because of that, I will never support another Bush for office again. If a Bush is running against Karl Marx I’ll vote for Marx because I refuse to give a GWB clone another chance to fail in the White House.

  110. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Apparently Biden has a knack for making major claims regarding past events in his life:

    He knew where Osama bin Laden was because his helicopter was forced down near it; his helicopter actually landed to avoid a snow storm — Senator Kerry stated they were going to “send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs.”

    Biden also claimed to be a coal miner; to have been “shot at” in Iraq in the Green Zone; and several other whoppers.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/six-times-biden-described-major-events-in-his-life-that-never-happened

    Happily, his surgeon said his brain surgery “made him better than how he was.”

  111. Victrc says:

    Wes

    He should have been fired. It was Bush responsibility because he was the President. The buck stops there. It was handled incorrectly. The theory was not wrong. The execution was. And not because of the soldiers

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    113. Victrc, your trying to detract from outrage by stating facts. Its rude to interfere with someone’s huffing and puffing.

  113. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    According to The Atlantic, when Gen. Mattis quit, he told Trump: “You’re going to have to get the next secretary of defense to lose to ISIS. I’m not going to do it.” The policy was changed, but sadly Mattis still quit. It is sad that Mattis is not president, instead we have a choice of a bunch of clown politicians. The choice is which one is the least toxic.

  114. lisab says:

    MSNBC Admits They Make Up All Stories About Trump Using Book Of Mad Libs

    NEW YORK, NY—After Lawrence O’Donnell admitted to publishing a sensational, world-altering, but also totally fake story about Trump’s finances and Russia, MSNBC confessed that it simply makes up all its reports about Trump using the patented Mad Libs system of making up random words and sticking them in blanks in pre-written sentences.

    The station’s reporters sit around a conference table with a big Mad Libs story displayed on a large sheet of paper or whiteboard. Then they all take turns shouting out funny verbs, adjectives, people, places, and adverbs in order to make up a story about Donald Trump to air.

    “TRUMP went on a picnic with RUSSIA and NUKED a HURRICANE with his big HAIR,” one MSNBC exec read off the board after a brainstorming session with other execs, writers, and editors. “Perfect. Get copy on my desk by noon!”

  115. lisab says:

    In Search Of A Cleaner Fuel, Democrats Experiment With Burning Giant Pile Of Tax Dollars

  116. lisab says:

    tulsi did not make the cut for the next debate

    male audience down by 75%

  117. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those who believe the climate change hype, one of the foremost prophets of doom is Michael Mann. He sued another scientist for defamation who claimed his findings were fraudulent; the scientist defended by stating his accusations where true, and requested to see the data Mann’s findings were based on. Mann let the case be drop rather than provide the data. Mann will have to pay the scientist’s court costs.

    “Some years ago, Dr. Tim Ball wrote that climate scientist Michael Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State.” At issue was Mann’s famous “hockey stick” graph that purported to show a sudden and unprecedented 20th century warming trend. The hockey stick featured prominently in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (2001), but has since been shown to be wrong. The question, in my view, is whether it was an innocent mistake or deliberate fraud on Mann’s part. (Mann, I believe, continues to assert the accuracy of his debunked graph.) Mann sued Ball for libel in 2011. Principia Scientific now reports that the court in British Columbia has dismissed Mann’s lawsuit with prejudice, and assessed costs against him.
    What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it. Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”

  118. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Another Biden moment:

    “Earlier, Biden’s allegedly tall tale was an emotional account of his decision to travel to Afghanistan, despite concerns about visiting a war-torn area, in order to honor a Navy captain for retrieving the body of his dead comrade during battle.

    According to Biden, he brushed off concerns about the risk of him traveling to the deadly area. “We can lose a vice president,” he said, recounting his words to a crowd during an event on Friday. “We can’t lose many more of these kids. Not a joke.” His story involved the captain dramatically telling Biden he didn’t want the medal because his comrade ended up dying.
    But after speaking with more than a dozen military and campaign sources, the Post determined the event “never happened” and that “almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect.”

  119. Bitterlaw says:

    I believe the planet is getting warmer. I have no idea if people caused it or could reverse it. Both can be true.

    Sue me.

  120. NYCmike says:

    “I believe the planet is getting warmer.”……due to my extensive travels from the Philadelphia suburbs to Ocean City, MD…..

  121. NYCmike says:

    Fill in the blank:

    Bitterlaw: “I have no idea…”

  122. Bitterlaw says:

    Fill in the blank

    NYC – I believe……because Trump said so.

  123. Bitterlaw says:

    Ocean City, NJ. The one in Maryland is inferior.

  124. Cash Cow TM says:

    So all three polls agree that Biden is ahead and getting 31-32%

    Vut the three polls diverge as to where Bernie and Pocahontas are

    Bernie is either in 2nd with 24%..or 3rd with 12% &
    Warren is either in 3rd with 15%…
    or maybe 2nd with 19% or 14%.

  125. lisab says:

    warren has opened a 7 cent lead over biden on predictit

    warren 34 cents
    biden 27 cents
    sanders 15 cents
    harris 12 cents

  126. Cash Cow TM says:

    atural Air Pollution

    Whilst man-made pollution and poor air quality is major environmental concern, there are many natural sources of pollution which are often much greater than their man-made counterparts.

    “Natural sources of sulphur dioxide include release from volcanoes, biological decay and forest fires. Actual amounts released from natural sources in the world are difficult to quantify. In 1983 the United Nations Environment Programme estimated a figure of between 80 million and 288 million tonnes of sulphur oxides per year (compared to around 69 million tonnes from human sources world-wide).

    Natural sources of nitrogen oxides include volcanoes, oceans, biological decay and lightning strikes. Estimates range between 20 million and 90 million tonnes per year nitrogen oxides released from natural sources (compared to around 24 million tonnes from human sources worldwide).”

  127. Cash Cow TM says:

    Natural Air Pollution – enviropedia.org.uk was the source of my earlier post.

  128. NYCmike says:

    Good one, Bitter.

    Never been to either Ocean City. My wife and her friends used to go to MD.

  129. lisab says:

    don’t forget about all the Hydroxic Acid

  130. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is from AP News, which is no fan of Trump.

    “Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Thursday defended his faulty description of a tale of military heroism and his interactions with the service members who carried it out.

    The “essence” of his recollection is correct, the former vice president told a South Carolina newspaper Thursday after a Washington Post story detailed how an emotional anecdote Biden told recently while campaigning in New Hampshire contained inaccuracies.

    Biden’s telling appeared to conflate multiple events, yielding a single story of Vice President Biden pinning a Silver Star on a U.S. Navy captain in the Konar province of Afghanistan for his efforts trying to save another service member. In his latest telling of a story he’s varied over several years, according to the Post, Biden got most of the details wrong: There’s no military record of that specific ceremony, and Biden’s records as a senator show he traveled to Konar when he was Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman and before he was vice president.

    Biden and his aides countered that the anecdote’s fundamental point — that as vice president he once formally recognized the valor of a heartbroken solider who didn’t want the recognition because his fellow solider ultimately lost his life — is true.”

  131. Wes says:

    Mikey is officially happy because a Deadender plans to help Dems win another Senate seat in AZ:

    https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/martha-mcsally-picks-up-primary-challenge-from-daniel-mccarthy

  132. DW says:

    link at Drudge:

    Trump Next H.W. Bush? Circumstances Eerily Similar…

    Dumb. The circumstances are not the same. There is no Perot this time. Trump may well lose, but I just don’t see the similarity to 1992.

  133. VictrC says:

    Everyone getting ready for the hurricane?? Seems awful quiet in here today

  134. Wes says:

    Dems have a poll out saying McCready leads Bishop 46-45. As noted before I tend to discount internals. I’ve repeatedly said McCready has a rough ceiling of 46% while with the lean of the district Bishop should get 51%. At least for his own numbers, McCready got an accurate result.

  135. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #139- Wes
    It appears that you missed the second line of the RRH posting:

    “Politico; DEMOCRATIC PARTY INTERNAL POLLING has MCCREADY up 1.

    Internal Republican polling has shown GOP candidate DAN BISHOP anywhere from 2 points to 4 points ahead.”

  136. John says:

    137
    Newt Gingrich is actually comparing the 2020 election to 1972…”quotas, the destruction of our cities, dramatic increase in crime and violence, anit-American attitudes, new standards on abortion, sexual redefinition and the rise of identity politics…” which gave rise to the far, far left George McGovern.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-trump-future-history-president-fate

  137. John says:

    130
    Warren has a bigger lead (9.2%) according to Maxim Lott and John Stossel’ electionbetting…
    But Trump still leads with a higher percentage to win the presidency than the top five Democratic candidates combined.
    https://electionbettingodds.com/

  138. Wes says:

    Really, Sheep? I posted McCready’s poll for the sole purpose of discrediting it, and you bitch because I didn’t cut and past the whole freaking RRH post I saw it in.

    What is wrong with you?

  139. Wes says:

    Gingrich also thought Republicans could win in 1998 by highlighting the fact that Bill Clinton got a Lewinsky, John.

    How’d that work out?

  140. John says:

    144. Yes, that’s true. But Gingrich also predict Trump would win in 2016…
    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/gingrich-predicts-trump-win-227186

  141. Cash Cow TM says:

    West Virginia Poll: If Manchin gets in, right now he would beat Justice IN WV GOVERNOR RACE

    http://wvmetronews.com/2019/08/30/west-virginia-poll-if-manchin-gets-in-right-now-he-would-beat-justice/

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS,BUT IT IS IN MODERATION? WTF?

  142. Wes says:

    West Virginians are stupid, Walt. How have you not figured that out yet?

  143. NYCmike says:

    “How’d that work out?”

    -Gingrich isn’t perfect…..similar to you.

    Maybe you should temper your opinion of yourself, and judge yourself the same way you judge others.

  144. NYCmike says:

    “got a Lewinsky”

    -No misogyny there whatsoever…..

  145. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/election/court-in-pennsylvania-rules-making-a-gunlike-hand-gesture-is-a-crime/

    -There may be a mass exodus by Italian-heritage citizens if that is the case…..

  146. jason says:

    Classy…

    “WASHINGTON – A former Canadian prime minister said she’s “rooting” for Hurricane Dorian to directly hit President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club on Florida’s coast.

    Kim Campbell, Canada’s first and only female prime minister, wrote on Twitter Wednesday: “I’m rooting for a direct hit on Mar a Lago!”

  147. NYCmike says:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/30/24_hours_of_media_malpractice.html

    -Read this, and tell me this isn’t exactly how “CG” and Robbie operate. MSM toadies.

  148. jason says:

    You can imagine if a Republican said he wished a hurricane would wipe out Obama’s new house on Martha’s Vineyard…

  149. jason says:

    Biden makes up war story.

    Now explains the “essence” was correct.

    Dan Rather suing, says “facts are made up, essence is correct” is too close to his copyrighted “fake but accurate”.

  150. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Wes says:
    August 30, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    West Virginians are stupid, Walt. How have you not figured that out “yet?”
    ****************************
    My comment that is in moderation included a prediction that Wes would comment soon about WV voters all being STOOPID.!

  151. Cash Cow TM says:

    …AND a further comment:

    It would be an ironic HOOT if Manchin DID run for WV governor and win and create a vacancy from WV in the U.S> Senate that would in all probability be filed by an R in this deep RED state.

    OR

    be ironically HOOTERRISH-ISH if the Dems just missed taking control of the senate in November by ONE seat.

    or IF THE Dems Did take control of the Senate in Nov. that Manchin would be kicking himself in the WV governors mansion for not staying in the Senate and being the chair of some VERY IMPORTANT SENATE COMMITTEE

  152. NYCmike says:

    #152 – Once again, someone attacks Trump.

    People will now repeat endlessly how he attacked Campbell.*

    *Yes, I know he can refrain from responding in certain ways. I hope he simply re-tweets her, and says something simple like ‘The “compassionate” liberal Democrat on display.’

  153. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1167122372568047616

    -Somehow, Robbie and “CG” will blame this on Trump.

  154. Wes says:

    Mikey, I never claimed I’m perfect. I also wasn’t the only opposition Speaker IN HISTORY to have resign in disgrace after my affairs leaked out when I was trying to take down an enormously popular President for receiving oral sex in the Oval Office and I cost my own party five seats in his second midterm.

  155. jason says:

    What Trump should say is “I would gladly sacrifice my properties if it would keep other people in the area from having their homes damaged or destroyed. I am sure the good citizens of the area appreciate the prime minister’s wish that they be hit head on by the hurricane”.

    That would make Kim look like an ass, not that it’s much of a challenge.

  156. jason says:

    President for receiving oral sex in the Oval Office”

    LOL, is that all it was?

    I always love how Clinton apologists like to condense his multiple episodes of criminal behavior including rape and sexual assault and lying under oath to “receiving oral sex in the Oval Office”.

  157. Wes says:

    Was Clinton charged with rape, Jason?

    Even if he did rape Juanita Broadrick—and that’s at best unclear given their history—I saw no mention of it in the Star Report or subsequent articles of impeachment the House drafted.

    Maybe you can cite the charge with a link before acting as if it’s any way relevant to the 1999 impeachment debacle.

  158. Wes says:

    As for the actual charges, the Senate acquitted him on a bipartisan basis with the electorally expressed consent of the American people.

    Even conservative columnists have subsequently said the Republicans made a huge error given the moral turpitude of Gingrich, Livingston, and others because by doing so, the GOP let Clinton control the narrative and outmaneuver them both on Election Day and in the impeachment trial.

    Truth hurts, I guess.

    Clinton was actually stronger after impeachment than before because Republicans went after him on the exact wrong issue.

  159. Wes says:

    I lost a US Senator to empty suit in 1998 largely because the GOP went after Clinton on his trust with Lewinsky.

    Mikey gained a Senator that same year he’s devoted a decade to helping stay in or achieve a Senate majority, so I guess in that sense it evens out.

  160. Wes says:

    Of course I could point out Clinton didn’t trigger the murders by terrorists of 460,000 people on foreign soil in a pointless war by lying about Lewinsky, but far be it from me to point out the failure of an incompetent President you adore.

  161. Wes says:

    Number of people who died because Clinton lied about Lewinsky: 0.

    Number of people who who died because GWB lies about Saddam: 460,000.

    Spare me the sanctimonious faux moral high ground.

  162. NYCmike says:

    Where was it exactly that jason took “the sanctimonious faux moral high ground.”?

    He didn’t excuse Gingrich, or Livingston, or any Republican for their immoral behavior.

  163. NYCmike says:

    “Number of people who who died because GWB lies about Saddam: 460,000.”

    Where does he get this crap?

  164. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/joe-biden-gaffes-should-campaign-via-social-media/

    -This makes good sense……hopefully Biden won’t follow the advice.

  165. Wes says:

    I understand you’re a stupid sonofabitch, Mikey, but I would expect even you to be capable of basic research:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

  166. Wes says:

    Of course Mikey will declare this fake news and trouble his minuscule brain no more about it:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

  167. Wes says:

    Of course 169 proves Mikey’s too stupid to read the context of the post he responded to.

  168. Wes says:

    A new bipartisan poll in my back yard has McCready leading with—you guessed it—46% of the vote to 42% for Bishop.

    I haven’t seen anything on the ground to indicate Bishop is actually trailing, but I wouldn’t dismiss the poll out of hand.

    Rather, were I Bishop, I’d keep doing what I’m doing and get Trump—who’s still reasonably popular in this district—to do a late rally and urge Republicans to turn out big on Election Day.

  169. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #175 & 176- Wes
    Do you buy thees data points from the NC CD-9 poll that McCready is +42 in your County of Mechlenburg and Bishop is only up by 11 in Union?

    “Looking at the County breakdown of the
    district—McCready holds a 69-27% lead in
    Mecklenburg County, while Bishop has the
    advantage in Union County (51-40%) and
    the remainder of the district (48-34%).”

  170. Wes says:

    Because of Charlotte, I would say McCready definitely leads in Mecklenburg; however, Bishop represents the suburban part of the county. That makes me doubt McCready is up that big in Mecklenburg. Mecklenburg and Cumberland are the two big Dem areas of the district. McCready needs to win big in both to offset Bishop’s lead in the rural and exurban counties. Bishop likely prevents a lopsided victory for McCready in Mecklenburg by dint of being from there while Cumberland is generally about 53-47/55-45 Dem except for certain instances (Obama and Hagan, ‘08; Mike McIntyre 1996-2012), so I would say McCready, unless he can play off his military credentials, is unlikely to swamp Bishop there.

    I still think Bishop wins 51-46 as that seems about right for McCready’s ceiling in the district minus a GOP meltdown.

  171. Hugh says:

    138. I closed my hurricane shutters today and getting ready to hunker down. I’m hoping they don’t order a mandatory evacuation which happens in my area due to proximity to the ocean but my neighbors and I are planning on staying regardless.

  172. lisab says:

    Biden Claims He Was There 3,000 Years Ago When Isildur Took The Ring And The Strength Of Men Failed

  173. lisab says:

    Candidates propose expanding the ‘war on terror’ to counter the real threat: White supremacists

  174. lisab says:

    Democrats’ Medicare for All must consider union-won plans: AFL-CIO

  175. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #183- Hugh Where are you in FL?

  176. lisab says:

    Ocasio-Cortez Defends Blocking People On Twitter: ‘Harassment Is Not A Viewpoint’

  177. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren: States should limit full contact for HS football, play polo or cricket instead

  178. lisab says:

    Facts, Logic Banned From Next Democratic Debate For Being Tools Of The Alt-Right

  179. Hugh says:

    Lauderdale by coral ridge country club two houses off the inter coastal if you’re familiar w the area.

  180. Robbie says:

    Kyle Kondik
    @kkondik

    NC-9 may be heading to be the next iteration of the PA-18 and OH-12 specials from last cycle – less than one-point affairs. If that’s what happens, I’d honestly say it doesn’t even matter which way it goes – bad sign for Rs in a double-digit Trump seat

    – At this point, we’re already moving beyond whether Trump’s going to lose. With 14 months to go, we’re already seeing signs of how badly Trump is going to drag down the entire party if he’s the nominee.

  181. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 29, 2019 at 11:49 am
    I guess you won’t see Amoral Scumbag breathlessly quoting the Emerson poll.
    Doesn’t fit his narrative.

    – This comment from Jason fraud is Trumpian perfection. He’s attacking me for not quoting a poll which shows conman Don getting his butt kicked by Biden by 8 points.

    That’s how bad it’s already gotten for the Trump shillers. A poll showing an 8 point deficit is, I guess, a good thing?

    Also, Emerson a mediocre robo-pollster that’s only slightly better than Rasmussen.

  182. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    August 29, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    The polling results are so disparate it is hard to have confidence in them.
    Sanders is at 24% in one and 12% in another. Someone is very wrong, unless he is at 18% and they are both very wrong.

    – It’s not that hard to understand once you realize Emerson is a mediocre robo-pollster. Do you actually believe, as Emerson suggests, that there’s no undecided vote in a hypothetical Trump/Biden matchup? With 14 months to go, that’s laughable to publish a poll with no undecided voters.

  183. lisab says:

    Rep. Ilhan Omar is demanding that the United Nations take control of the U.S. border with Mexico in a mirror of how Europe was inundated with migrants following lobbying from international bodies.

  184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is pathetic, Chicago has a $828 million dollar budget deficit, so one alderman’s solution is to consider cutting the police budget. Chicago only had 3,000 shootings in 2018 (561 resulted in death). Who needs the police? No wonder Obama is moving to Martha’s Vineyard. where is Rahm Emanuel going to hide.
    _____________

    Chicago has serious financial problems these days – in the form of a giant $838 million budget deficit.
    * * *
    That is what Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced to her constituents on Thursday night in a state-of-the-city speech from the Harold Washington Library auditorium.
    * * *
    Ald. Mike Rodriguez (22nd) said budget negotiations must include constituents and community stakeholders. He said aldermen will talk with community members and bring their demands to the negotiation process.
    One solution the aldermen suggested was reallocating money in the budget from policing to other public services.
    “When we’re looking at a budget where 41 percent is going to policing, I think it’s a responsible measure to look and see how that money is spent,” said Ald. Andre Vasquez (40th). “We want to change the environment and culture of what’s going on, and pumping more money into a problem that’s already been 41 percent of our budget is not the way to do it.”

  185. Bitterlaw says:

    My summer concert season is complete. Tonight was Hank Williams, Jr. and Lynard Skynard. Previous concerts were the Mix Tape Tour (Back Street Boys, Debby Gibson, Tiffany, Naughty by Nature and Salt&Peppa), Train, GooGoo Dolls, Bryan Adams and The Rolling Stones.

    Wes to hate all of them in 3…2…1…

  186. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes gets his talking points about Bill Clinton from MoveOn.org.

    He gets his talking points about GWB (he voted twice for him for President) from Code Pink and Daily Kos.

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    ‘Embarrassed’ pollster ripped up poll that showed Labor losing election
    By Michael Koziol

    “A leading market research agency tore up a poll showing Labor was in a much worse position than widely believed because it was worried the results did not match other published polls.
    In a revelation that sheds light on why the nation’s pollsters failed to accurately predict the outcome of the election, Lonergan Research boss Chris Lonergan admitted junking the poll because he was “embarrassed” it was radically different to those of his competitors.
    “No one wants to release a poll that is wildly out of step … we didn’t want to be seen as having an inaccurate poll,” he said.
    Most polls predicted a comfortable win for Bill Shorten’s Labor Party but were proved wrong on election night..

    The robopoll, which was conducted twice and measured voting intention in the key state of Queensland, showed the ALP on a primary vote close to the 26.7 per cent it received in that state, and the Liberal-National Party headed for a “strong victory”.”

  188. jason says:

    Corey’s great candidate caught lying again. He denied he had told Sasha Cohen that he wanted kindergarten students and toddlers armed.

    “I endorse the Kinderguardians program for all schools in America,” Walsh says in the video. “When armed guards and armed teachers have, God forbid, been taken out, why should children be left with absolutely no means of defending themselves?”

    He continued: “Never has an American generation been more equipped with the necessary hand-eye coordination to shoot. If a child can pull the trigger of a video game controller or a Nerf gun, he can pull the trigger of an Uzi. It’s obvious.”

    The additional footage shows Walsh going even further. He talks about arming toddlers, which is generally understood to be children who can walk and are between the ages of 1 and 3.

    “Toddlers do not understand the consequences of their actions, meaning that, again, saving vital time, they will kill without hesitation, then kill again until all the bad guys are gone,” Walsh said. “You know what? It’s pretty straightforward. When it comes to the safety of our children, the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good child with a gun. Happy shooting, kids.”

  189. jason says:

    Joe is right. Toddlers will kill without hesitation. Whether its a terrorist or the toddler next to him that stole his cookie.

  190. Wes says:

    Bitter thinks I post talking points from leftist websites I’ve never visited.

    Meanwhile he and Jason get their neanderthalish “Clinton, bad; Bush, good” talking points from the now-defunct Weekly Standard.

  191. Cash Cow TM says:

    RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan stabbed stabbed in prison prison…

  192. Wes says:

    For some reason, Walt, I thought Sirhan Sirhan had died. I didn’t realize he was in his 51st year in prison.

  193. Bitterlaw says:

    Then you should sue those sites for copyright infringement, Wes. They stole your work.

  194. Wes says:

    Bitterlaw has some questionable musical tastes. Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Stones are the only good bands on his list. Even they’re not perfect. The Stones are hit and miss, and Skynyrd has never been as good as before the plane crash.

    Meanwhile there are plenty of bands out there with actual talent Bitter completely ignores:

    Led Zeppelin
    Black Sabbath
    Judas Priest
    Clutch
    Black Label Society
    Alice Cooper
    Danzig
    Primus
    Corrosion of Conformity
    Guns and Roses

    Among many others.

    Naturally Bitter knows nothing about any of them.

  195. lisab says:

    Sanders previews plan to cancel all past due medical debt

  196. lisab says:

    Poll Finds 100% Of People Who Are James Comey Believe James Comey Did Nothing Wrong

    U.S..—A new Reuters poll released Friday indicated that 100% of people who are James Comey believe that James Comey did nothing wrong as the director of the FBI.

    Pollsters called exactly one guy: James Comey, and asked him how well he thought James Comey handled himself as FBI director. Of those James Comeys surveyed, 100% of them thought that James Comey’s conduct was impeccable and that he served his country well.

    “Yeah, James Comey? That guy is a national hero,” said one of the people who were surveyed, speaking anonymously. “Of all the people in the nation who could have handled a tough situation like that, James Comey was the man to do it.”

  197. lisab says:

    Trump trails Democrats by a historically large margin

    “The last time we saw numbers this good was in 2016”, says chief cnn political analist Alyssa Milano. “Hillary’s numbers were slightly better against Trump, but Biden is very close!”

    A new national Quinnipiac University poll finds that former Vice President Joe Biden, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, California Sen. Kamala Harris and South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg all lead President Donald Trump by significant margins in potential 2020 matchups.
    Biden is ahead Trump by the most (16 points, 54% to 38%), while Buttigeg is up by the least (9 points, 49% to 40%).

  198. lisab says:

    Menstruating Migrant Girls ‘Visibly’ Bleeding Through Pants While Detained, Lawsuit Says

    Undocumented Voters should not be detained at the border if they are on their period, the DNC claimed in their lawsuit. The Hawaiian judge quickly agreed and ordered all such undocumented voters released from ICE detention centers yesterday, including all trans undocumented voters, who self-identified as menstruating.

  199. DW says:

    Current RCP status of the communists who wish to take away your remaining freedoms:

    1 – Biden: 28.9
    2 – Sanders: 17.1
    3 – Warren: 16.5
    4 – Harris: 7
    5 – Buttigieg: 4.6
    6 – Yang: 2.5
    7 – O’Rourke : 2.4
    8 – Booker: 2.4
    9 – Gabbard: 1.4
    10 – Castro: 1.1
    11 – Klobuchar : 0.9
    12 – Williamson: 0.8
    13 – Bullock: 0.8
    14 – Steyer: 0.5
    15 – Ryan: 0.5
    16 – de Blasio : 0.5
    17 – Bennet: 0.5
    18 – Delaney: 0.1
    19 – Sestak: 0
    20 – Messam : 0
    21 – Gillibrand: Dropped out
    22 – Hickenlooper: Dropped out
    23 – Inslee: Dropped out
    24 – Moulton: Dropped out
    25 – Gravel: Dropped out
    26 – Swalwell: Dropped out
    27 – Ojeda: Dropped out

  200. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Except for Guns n Roses, your list is a Zzzzzz. I can listen to metal for 10 minutes and then take a break for years.

  201. Wes says:

    Of course you would listen to pansy music, Bitter, rather than energetic music requiring talent:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OtzJtp-EM

  202. lisab says:

    looks like warren has gotten all the dropped out supporters

    she went from 16.4 to 16.5

  203. lisab says:

    you guys have awful taste in music

    betty
    tegan and sara
    sleater-kinney
    michelle branch
    cibo matto
    aimee mann
    velvet chain

  204. Wes says:

    What LisaB listens to is what Bitter listens to when he’s trying to get in touch with his feminine side.

    Then there’s the real music I listen to:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gUyvyquLXQ

  205. Bitterlaw says:

    I missed Led Zeppelin on your list. I like that group. I also liked Nirvana- whuch you did not lust.

  206. Wes says:

    You’re right, Bitter. I never lusted Nirvana.

  207. Cash Cow TM says:

    Well…here is a music riddle for you.

    Why did the rappers not enjoy their vacation once their plane landed.
    ******************************
    THEY FORGOT TUPAC!

  208. lisab says:

    name a rapper with small abdominal muscles

    2Pac

  209. Victrc says:

    My family was two blocks from the shooting rampage in Odessa. They are safe.

    Turns out a bunch of friends were following the mail truck ready to take the guy out before the cops cornered him. Was just a lunatic.

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Gaffes are part of Biden’s charm:

    “I think the press has to be more careful about applying an unfair standard to Joe Biden than they’re applying to other candidates,” Bedingfield responded. “If you listen to what the candidates say all day as they’re out campaigning, they’re out in front of cameras, they’re in front of people, they’re talking all day. Everybody’s going to slip up and misstate a name or a date or a location. It happens all the time.”

    She continued: “People know who he is. They know this is a part of his charm. They understand that, you know, they’re getting it straight from him. It’s not overly packaged. He’s always speaking from his heart. And sure, that means sometimes he’s going to misstate a couple of things. But, frankly, so does every other candidate.”

    Its time to send Trump to charm school, so he can learn to gaffe more and twitter less.

  211. lisab says:

    blind items starting to come out about epstein

    kennedys seem to be involved

    a very long saga printed as a blind item

    https://medium.com/@TheHimmmm/nasty-business-a-himmmm-blind-item-story-6fc0c8147f5a

  212. lisab says:

    oh … i forgot to mention

    this “cat lady”

    parked her giant pickup truck in my apartment complex

    WITHOUT putting on her parking break or putting her truck in park … while parked on an incline

    and then went inside to feed her cats

    of course she parked on an incline from my car

    my poor sentra … thousands in damage

    have you ever tried to explain to your insurance company how a truck hit your sentra without any drivers?

    i’m sorry but “my cat was hungry” is NOT an acceptable excuse for why you went inside without securing your vehicle

    state farm was not amused

  213. lisab says:

    representative (indian accent): hello state farm, mark speaking.

    lisab: a big pickup truck hit my car!

    representative: i am so sorry to hear that, are you ok?

    lisab: yes … a big pickup truck hit my car!

    representative: was anyone hurt?

    lisab: no … a big pickup truck hit my car!

    representative: did you get the driver’s information?

    lisab: there was no driver … a big pickup truck hit my car!

    representative: so it was a hit and run?

    lisab: no … the pickup truck is still there … there is no driver.

    representative: what do you mean?

    lisab: i mean … a big pickup truck hit my car! it is still attached to my car!

    representative: where is the driver?

    lisab: mmmmmmmm … ok … a big pickup truck hit my car!

    representative: but was anyone hurt?

    lisab: noooooooo … my car was parked. i was not in it.

    representative: what about the other driver?

    lisab: it was … ok … a big pickup truck hit my car! there was no driver.

    representative: where was the driver?

    lisab: feeding her cat …

    representative: her cat?

    lisab: or cats … i am not sure … look … a big pickup hit my car!

    representative: but the cats are ok?

    lisab: the cats are fine … but … just so we are clear … a big pickup truck hit my car … and i hate cats …

    representative: cats are nice

    lisb: look … the cats are not at issue here … the cats are fine … the cats still have a car that works … i on the other hand have a sentra that has a pickup truck attached to it

    representative: well … i see you don’t have a feline rider on your policy …

    lisab: (rather vulgar language)

  214. Bitterlaw says:

    The carnage continues. Thank God that Vic’s family is ok.

  215. Bitterlaw says:

    While I am sorry for the loss sustained by lisab, I reject her attempt to use this isolated incident to call for regulating the entire insurance industry to mandate cat coverage on policies.

  216. jason says:

    My cat is extremely loyal for about 15 minutes a day, which is probably the total time I spend feeding and opening doors for him.

    He is agnostic about the litter box, if it is full he will use a bathroom mat or a potted plant, no problem.

    The rest of the time he thinks I am a useless POS who should be ignored.

  217. Messy says:

    On saturday, the republican state committees of Nevada and South Carolina will vote to either hold their primary/caucus or just declare Trump the winner. So the first actual voting of the presidential race is only a week away.

  218. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    227. “The proposed rule change follows moves nationally by the Republican National Committee to encourage state parties to cancel primary and caucus elections ahead of the 2020 presidential race in order to avoid any challenges to renomination for Trump. The proposed rule in Nevada states that the rule change was “recommended and requested recently by the Republican National Committee.”
    “(Trump) has delivered on every promise he has made to Nevadans, and that is why at our next central committee meeting on September 7, we will be voting to endorse the president and allocate all our delegates to his campaign at the national convention in Charlotte next year,” party chair Michael McDonald said in a statement. “We are all in and are excited to get to work on sending President Trump back to the White House for four more years!””

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/nv-gop-proposes-rule-change-to-effectively-end-competitive-caucus-pledge-all-party-delegates-to-trump

  219. Bitterlaw says:

    Wake up.

  220. lisab says:

    Kansas University faculty wants Chick-fil-A banned from campus for fears of ‘safety,’ ‘mental well being’

  221. lisab says:

    Rep. Eric Swalwell

    @RepSwalwell

    Big shout out to all the civilian “good guys with guns” who saved lives in Odessa. You know who you are. Thanks a million.

    *btw, Texas IS an open carry state.

  222. lisab says:

    Jeffrey Gundlach
    ?
    Hillary spoke at Arena Academy NY. Looked a bit like, just maybe, she is thinking about jumping into any upcoming opening in the Dem field.

  223. lisab says:

    Chris Hayes: Electoral College ‘Would Be Unconstitutional’ If It ‘Wasn’t Specifically In The Constitution’

  224. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    232. @TRHLofficial
    Replying to
    @RepSwalwell
    Never let a good tragedy go to waste, right Eric?

  225. lisab says:

    Rotten Tomatoes Gives Dave Chappelle Special Zero Percent Rating

  226. lisab says:

    Millionaire model agency boss thought to have key information into the Jeffrey Epstein scandal ‘has disappeared like a ghost without a trace’

    Jean-Luc Brunel, 72, is sought by French authorities who have ‘urgent’ questions

    He founded New York model agency MC2, who signed Svetlana Pozhidaeva

    He was a close friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton

  227. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    237. When Anthony Weiner his next birthday, Bill and Hillary Clinton to hold a perv gala, and invite all their strange friends. The key is to schedule a big enough venue.

  228. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    238. “has” not “his.” Spell check is not our friend.

  229. lisab says:

    Snopes Rates Biden’s Claim That 2+2=5 As ‘Mostly True’

  230. lisab says:

    U.S.—Joe Biden recently made a strange claim: that 2+2=5. He was ridiculed for his gaffe after making the statement while speaking at an elementary school. The kids all said, “Hey, dummy! The answer is 4, not 5!”

    But the crack squad of fact-checkers at Snopes quickly got to work on Biden’s incredulous claim. Their findings? Biden’s statement was actually “mostly true.”

    “Sure, Biden got some key details wrong,” said Bob Snopes, founder of Snopes. “But the central concept of what he was saying, that two numbers put together make another number, was completely accurate. Sometimes two and two make four. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. It is not easy to become sane.”

    The website’s 6,000-word defense/fact-check of Biden’s claim further pointed out that 80% of the answer was correct, and it’s only the one additional number that was a mixture of truth and falsehood.

    As the event neared its conclusion, Biden claimed there were five spotlights lighting up the stage even though there were clearly four. One bald man in the back shouted, “There are four lights!” but was dragged from the room for reeducation.

  231. Bitterlaw says:

    At least lisab still posts here.

  232. NYCmike says:

    If Trump said 2+2=5, I would believe it!

  233. Messy says:

    234. The 14th amendment folks.

  234. Messy says:

    241-43: The Babylon Bee is a right-wing parody site. You got snookered or are deliberately distributing fake news.

  235. Wes says:

    You should read history, Messy the Moron. The Electoral College precedes the 14th Amendment, which doesn’t repeal the establishment of the EC.

  236. Wes says:

    This is how desperate RRH is to say the GOP will lose NC-9:

    They’re using a poll saying Republicans will win NC-3 by 11 points to say Republicans are likely to lose NC-9.

    You really can’t make this stuff up.

  237. Wes says:

    Hey, Messy the Moron, we know LisaB is posting articles from a parody site, dumbass.

  238. Robbie says:

    Peter Baker
    @peterbakernyt

    U.S. factory activity unexpectedly contracted in August for the first time in three years as shrinking orders, production and hiring pushed a widely followed measure of manufacturing to its lowest level since January 2016.

    – “Trade wars are good and easy to win.” Trump on March 2, 2018.

  239. NYCmike says:

    And for your daily dose of whatever bad news he can find……..Here’s Robbie!

    *Please note: any good news will not be shared by Robbie. Please proceed to any news organization that isn’t on your local network television.

  240. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren supports pumpkin spice

    In a surprise move calculated to win the suburban women vote, Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of pumpkin spice lattes, coffee and beer. The move was widely acclaimed by CNN and MSNBC viewers, who had a 95% positive response to the move.

    One the Five, Fox News analyst Dana Perino praised Warren’s stance noting that she drinks pumpkin spice all year round, while Juan Williams noted that this move by Elizabeth Warren seems to fit well into the DNC’s strategy to alienate every male in the USA.

  241. lisab says:

    Philidelphia, the City of Brotherly Love Set to Name ILHAN OMAR Honorary Mayor and Give Her Key to the City

    She just gets us, said Jim Kenney, current mayor of Philidelphia.

  242. lisab says:

    A school-diversity panel created by Mayor Bill de Blasio wants to junk the gifted-and-talented programs. They perpetuate racial inequality because they’re comprised mostly of white and Asian students.

    Until more minority students are gifted, we should not be running these programs, said de Blasio, who noted 44% of the public school students are Black or Latino.

  243. lisab says:

    Confusion Reigns Over Biden Labor Day Rallies

    Joe Biden was faced with a confusing blend of protesters yesterday when Elizabeth Warren supporters protested outside one of his rallies, claiming “No Woman Should Have to Go Through Labor”.

    Inside a bemused Joe was faced with signs from Millennials such as, “Down with Work!”, and “Hell no, we won’t go (to work)!”

    Upon further investigation it was found that only 3% of the audience at the rally had jobs, 2 worked at MSNBC and 1 reporter was from CNN.

  244. Messy says:

    248. Then why comment on it like it’s the real thing all the time, Wesley-the-weasel?

    246. Well, Weasel, were it not for that little fact, the EC would be unconstitutional as it is profoundly undemocratic. Same with the senate.

    254. Not really, they want something like the “open honors” system like in California which seems to work rather well.

  245. Messy says:

    255. Lisab provides us with another parody masquerading as real news.

  246. Robbie says:

    Fourteen months from today, Don the conman is likely going to lose re-election while leading the party to big defeat in the Senate.

    But at least his trade war is good and easy to win.

  247. NYCmike says:

    And Robbie will do his best to highlight all of the bad parts about Trump, while NEVER mentioning what the alternative will be………I see broken records didn’t end with the demise of vinyl.

  248. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron, the United States is not a democracy but a republic. In a republic, certain things require a different resolution from simple majority vote.

    For example, while any bill Congress passes for the President to sign requires only a majority vote in both houses, a presidential veto requires two thirds of each house to achieve.

    Similarly an amendment requires two thirds of both houses of Congress as well as three quarters of the state legislatures for ratification.

    Thus, we avoid the tyranny of the simple majority by requiring large majorities for certain things. This is because we are a republic rather than a democracy.

    As far as the Electoral College goes, I think Republicans are too smug in thinking it will always be there to help them achieve the presidency without at least an accompanying plurality in the popular vote. Since the President and Vice-President are the only two elected officials every American has the chance to vote for I think the EC works best when it reflects rather than contradicts the popular vote. Republicans underestimate the resentment Democrats have toward the results of the 2000 and 2016 elections. The Dems will not give up till they’ve either repealed the EC entirely or effectively neutered it with the aid of activist liberal judge. Republicans would be best served to negate the issue by registering and turning out enough voters to ensure a popular vote victory to accompany an EC victory rather than simply trust to keeping the popular vote while still losing it and achieving an EC victory.

    In any event, you can fantasize about an alternate universe where the EC is both unconstitutional and not part of the Constitution. It nonetheless exists in the Constitution and is therefore constitutional.

  249. Wes says:

    The Saw movies are less dark and depressing than what Robbie posts.

  250. Wes says:

    Heh. Messy the Moron calls the fact that the Constitution establishes the EC a “little fact.” I’d say it’s a pretty significant fact, Messy the Moron.

  251. Wes says:

    RRH has Republicans leading by 11 and 1 respectively in NC-3 and NC-9.

    Noteworthily the NC-9 poll has McCready just below my expected ceiling of 46% for him. I still expect Bishop to close the deal and win 51-46 despite McCready’s strength as a candidate.

    Although called NC-9 now, this is essentially Mike McIntyre’s old NC-7 district. Since his departure from Congress four years ago, Dems have fared poorly on all levels in this district.

  252. NYCmike says:

    “255. Lisab provides us with another parody masquerading as real news.”

    -The best jokes always have a little truth in them……which is why you are taking the time to point out that these items are satirical…….you are taking the time to check out her sources.

  253. lisab says:

    De Blasio logged a 7-hour work month at City Hall

    Democrats across the nation were shocked to learn Mayor de Blasio put in a 7 hour work month last month.

    Vice President Joe Biden remarked, “I don’t know how he keeps up that pace, that is remarkable and shows just how hard we as a party are working for the people.”

  254. Wes says:

    Whoopi Goldberg goes after Debra Messing for trying to blacklist Trump supporters:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/whoopi-goldberg-goes-off-debra-165150432.html

    I have to give Whoopi credit. She got it right.

  255. lisab says:

    Democratic Party closing last two offices in South Dakota

    Democrats in South Dakota no longer have enough money to keep their state offices open and will work from home.

  256. jason says:

    Biden calls for banning “magazines that can hold multiple bullets in them”

    No, it’s not the Sacramento Bee

  257. lisab says:

    Powerline:
    @IlhanMN’s current husband says that
    @IlhanMNdid in fact marry her brother

  258. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag wants the GOP to lose the Senate because somehow that “will be bad for Trump”.

  259. jason says:

    I think Walt will agree with Ilhan.

    I hear that in WV they have a saying “If she is not good enough for her own family she is not good enough for ours”.

  260. lisab says:

    ‘IT’S A NIGHTMARE’: ASYLUM SEEKERS FORCED TO RETURN TO HONDURAS SAY THEY’LL NEVER RISK THE JOURNEY TO THE U.S. AGAIN

    Growing up in Rivera Hernández, one of San Pedro Sula’s most notorious neighborhoods for gang violence and crime, 28-year-old mother-of-two Carmen Martinez knows the rules for staying alive.

    If she wants to invite a friend or even a family member from outside the neighborhood over to her house, she has to get permission from a gang leader first; if she wants to start a business, she needs their blessing for that too and can expect to pay high extortion fees once she starts making money; if she’s told to get out of town, she has about 24 hours before her life is at stake.

    That is why, in April, Martinez and her family decided that she should try to make the arduous journey to the United States with her son, in the hope that there they might be able to build a brighter future.

    Four months later, however, sitting shell-shocked in the office of San Pedro Sula’s reception center for children deported back to Honduras, Martinez says the journey is one she will never try to make again after what began as a pursuit of the “American dream” quickly unraveled into a “nightmare.”

    “They made me live in San Francisco”, said Martinez. “The free housing and $5,000 in welfare a month was not enough to make me live in that rat hole!”

  261. lisab says:

    Air conditioning in your office is sexist. True story

    It may be warm outside but in offices up and down the country, women are frozen stiff while men enjoy the air con. Radhika Sanghani unpicks the sexist AC war.

    I am freezing cold as I write this article at my desk. I’m wrapped up in a jumper with my legs crossed under me to keep warm, and my sleeves are pulled as far down as they go.

    My two female colleagues are sitting opposite me wearing their jackets, and there’s a stack of emergency desk jumpers in case things get worse.

    The men around us are all pretty much jacket-free. In fact, most of them have their shirt sleeves rolled up and religiously maintain that the temperature is ‘fine’.

  262. Robbie says:

    Hard to believe the two great Western democracies (US and Great Britain) led by populist buffoons are in constant state of upheaval and threaten the electability of the two majority parties (Republicans and the Tories).

    But muh populist mouth breathers grunt, “but they fight!”.

  263. jason says:

    Republicans would be best served to negate the issue by registering and turning out enough voters to ensure a popular vote victory to accompany an EC victory rather than simply trust to keeping the popular vote while still losing it and achieving an EC victory.”

    Sorry, I don’t really agree with this and I think it misses a major point.

    Of course, winning the popular vote is desirable because it keeps the loser in the EC from whining about the popular vote.

    But no campaign runs on winning the popular vote. Everyone runs on winning the EC, and the entire planning, strategy, funding, candidate visits, ad campaigns, surrogate visits, etc. is based on winning the EC.

    Nobody knows what the result of any past election would have been had it been a popular vote election, a popular vote election would look completely different.

    So if I was the GOP, I wouldn’t spend a cent trying to win the popular vote. Or I was the Dems, for that matter.

    You want your strategy to be good enough to win both the EC and the popular vote, no doubt, but you should only invest in winning the EC.

    If the positions were reversed, the GOP would be whining about the EC too.

    I don’t think the EC result are really “an issue”.

  264. NYCmike says:

    That air conditioning story is pretty funny….men and women have such different responses to cold weather/water.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGkcC1VrhU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP41l1mcrog

  265. lisab says:

    The Washington Post

    @washingtonpost

    Analysis: Trump congratulates Poland on its Nazi invasion.
    ——————————

    Trump was asked Sunday about the trip to Poland he canceled to monitor Hurricane Dorian.

    Q: Mr. President, do you have a message for Poland on the 80th anniversary of the Second World War?

    TRUMP: I do have a great message for Poland. And we have Mike Pence, our Vice President, is just about landing right now. And he is representing me. I look forward to being there soon.

    But I just want to congratulate Poland. It’s a great country with great people. We also have many Polish people in our country; it could be 8 million. We love our Polish friends. And I will be there soon.

  266. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:40 pm
    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2019/09/03/trump-appointee-pushed-department-labor-bloomberg-news-smears-alt-right/
    -Robbie made no mention of this story……..oddly enough……

    – Poor NYCmoron is relegated to claiming this story is on the same level as Trump wrecking the Republican Party in next year’s election. Nice try. I guess if I had no cards to play like the Trump sycophants do, I would try and elevate worthless distractions.

  267. NYCmike says:

    #275 – is that a serious comment?

    Robbie, would you rather have the type of leader/ government that is dealing with Hong Kong right now?

    Venezuela?

    Germany?

    Greece?

    South Africa?

    France, where Macron just offered $15 billion to the mullahs?

    Which one would you prefer?

  268. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 4:13 pm
    And Robbie will do his best to highlight all of the bad parts about Trump, while NEVER mentioning what the alternative will be………I see broken records didn’t end with the demise of vinyl.

    – The alternative is finding a different nominee while there’s still time you nitwit.

  269. Cash Cow TM says:

    TWO BREAKING STORIES….

    1. JOE MANCHIN HAS DECIDED TO NOT RUN FOR GOVERNOR IN WV AND INSTEAD STAY IN U.S. SENATE–despite a new poll showing him 10 points up over present governor Justice (now R).

    (well blow me down…I had bet 40 cow chips that Joe would run for governor again. In WV he could run for governor while still retaining his Senate seat. In worst case scenario if he lost the governor race, he would still be U.S. Senator.

    #######################
    2. MRS. WALT IS OPENLY CRITICIZING AND SHAMING WALT FOR NOT KNOWING WHERE ANYTHING IS (scissors, address book, toothpicks, etc.) IN THEIR NEW HOME.

    (I know more about where things are in the new home than Walt does, but I pretend I don’t know and won’t tell him…)

  270. NYCmike says:

    “I guess if I had no cards to play like the Trump sycophants do, I would try and elevate worthless distractions.”

    -This is like when Bush 41 looked at his watch during the debate….

  271. NYCmike says:

    “– The alternative is finding a different nominee while there’s still time you nitwit.”

    -Why can’t we wait until the brokered convention?

  272. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:25 pm
    Biden calls for banning “magazines that can hold multiple bullets in them”
    No, it’s not the Sacramento Bee

    – I think it’s cute to watch Trump shills and sycophants try and make Biden’s gaffes an issue while, at the same time, suggesting Trump’s myriad of lies, gaffes, and idiocy are no biggie.

  273. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag now pretending to believe in “democracy”

    LOL

    This is the same scumbag who supports all kinds of illegal, immoral and unethical coups against Trump, when he knows 90% of Rs support him.

    Even if you accept that Amoral Scumbag is a Republican, which I don’t, where is it “democratic” for the NeverTrumpers, a small group of bitter, defeated, vindictive, petty nobodies to decide who the nominee should be.

    And in Britain, of course Amoral Scumbag supports those that want to overturn the result of the referendum, where a majority of Brits decided to leave the EU. He doesn’t believe in “democracy” there either.

    Amoral Scumbag is about as much of a “democracy” proponent as Fidel Castro.

  274. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:27 pm
    Amoral Scumbag wants the GOP to lose the Senate because somehow that “will be bad for Trump”.

    – Bless your heart. I want to see the Republican maintain control of the Senate, but having Dementia Don at the top of the ticket with a 41% approval rating means lots of good Senators like Tillis, Gardner, McSally, and a few others might well get dragged down.

    Of course, I know you understand this point, but since you’ve become a Trump mouth breathing shill you feel obligated grunt at anyone who dares point out the laws of political gravity.

  275. jason says:

    “try and make Biden’s gaffes an issue”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag now defending Biden’s gaffes?

    Why is this not a surprise?

  276. jason says:

    “– The alternative is finding a different nominee while there’s still time you nitwit.”

    -Why can’t we wait until the brokered convention?”

    Poor Amoral Scumbag is crushed that Mueller didn’t come through for him, so now he is left with some kind of “smoke filled room” to depose Trump.

    What a sick, despicable ass Amoral Scumbag is.

  277. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:48 pm
    #275 – is that a serious comment?
    Robbie, would you rather have the type of leader/ government that is dealing with Hong Kong right now?
    Venezuela?
    Germany?
    Greece?
    South Africa?
    France, where Macron just offered $15 billion to the mullahs?
    Which one would you prefer?

    – Bless your heart. I know you’re not smart, but even you know the choice isn’t between populist buffoons hellbent on destroying the very successful international order established after WWII and communist strongmen. Of course, maybe I’m giving your intelligence too much credit.

  278. jason says:

    “Dementia Don”

    Hilarious.

    Biden just said ban “magazines that hold more than one bullet” but Amoral Scumbag is saying Trump has dementia.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  279. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:50 pm
    “– The alternative is finding a different nominee while there’s still time you nitwit.”
    -Why can’t we wait until the brokered convention?

    – Anything that produces a nominee other than Trump would be a godsend for the Republican Party and the country. But by all means, soothe yourself in the warm embrace of a Federalist story by Mollie Hemingway that says Trump is the greatest president ever.

  280. jason says:

    opulist buffoons hellbent on destroying the very successful international order”

    Ahhh, so it’s not about “democracy”.

    It’s about a “successful international order”.

  281. jason says:

    Anything that produces a nominee other than Trump”

    Anything….”the ends justify the means”

    How “democratic”.

  282. jason says:

    ould be a godsend for the Republican Party and the country”

    Amoral Scumbag talking about “saving the Republican Party” is like Hitler talking about “saving the Jews”.

  283. NYCmike says:

    I also gave Germany and France as options in #280……Robbie, did you miss those?

  284. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump continues to live rent free in Robbie’s head.

  285. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag predicted Trump would cost the GOP the senate in 2016. He was wrong.

    He predicted Trump would cost the GOP the senate in 2018. He was wrong.

    He is now predicting Trump will cost the GOP the Senate in 2020.

    I guess the moral of the story is that you don’t always get what you want.

  286. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:54 pm
    Amoral Scumbag now pretending to believe in “democracy”
    LOL
    This is the same scumbag who supports all kinds of illegal, immoral and unethical coups against Trump, when he knows 90% of Rs support him.
    Even if you accept that Amoral Scumbag is a Republican, which I don’t, where is it “democratic” for the NeverTrumpers, a small group of bitter, defeated, vindictive, petty nobodies to decide who the nominee should be.
    And in Britain, of course Amoral Scumbag supports those that want to overturn the result of the referendum, where a majority of Brits decided to leave the EU. He doesn’t believe in “democracy” there either.

    – A lot of lies here to address and I’m game for it.

    1. The coup talk is so laughable, but the fact Jason fraud yells about shows how powerful the Trump/FoxNews propaganda machine is on the weak minded.

    2. I really get a kick out of Jason fraud crying about whether I’m a Republican (I am) when he left the party because Trump won the election.

    3. It’s the very definition of “democratic” for those of us unhappy with Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts to use the primary process to try and find a better nominee even though we’ll lose. Would Jason fraud prefer edicts issued from on high by a central committee? How authoritarian of him. Is authoritarianism now the new conservatism?

    4. Where have I aid I oppose overturning the results of the Brexit referendum, mouth breathing Trump supporter? I oppose Boris Johnson because I oppose populism and, more importantly, I oppose his blatantly undemocratic effort to suspend the Parliament in order to pass his Brexit bill. Would you have supported Obama had he tried to suspend Congress in order to pass gun legislation?

  287. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:56 pm
    “try and make Biden’s gaffes an issue”
    LOL
    Amoral Scumbag now defending Biden’s gaffes?
    Why is this not a surprise?

    – My point is, fraud, you’re going to have to find a much better way to take down Biden than his gaffes because clearly the country has already decided gaffes are no biggie since we elected the king of all gaffes in Trump.

  288. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag believes in “Democracy” when it is convenient.

    When it is not he believes in “brokered conventions” and “political coups” and in “anointed” and “appointed” candidates.

    He knows he is not going to get Jeb Bush nominated “democratically”.

  289. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 5:58 pm
    What a sick, despicable ass Amoral Scumbag is.

    – What’s sick is spending the better part of two years in this forum opposing Trump every step of the way, refusing to vote for Trump, and leaving the Republican Party over Trump only to become one of his biggest cheerleaders simply because party loyalty demands it. You’re not even in the party anymore, fraud.

  290. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:00 pm
    “Dementia Don”
    Hilarious.
    Biden just said ban “magazines that hold more than one bullet” but Amoral Scumbag is saying Trump has dementia.
    The hypocrisy is astounding.

    – I just watched Donnie over the weekend warn Alabama that Dorian was going to hit their state, but keep shilling, fraud.

  291. jason says:

    s the very definition of “democratic” for those of us unhappy with Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts to use the primary process to try and find a better nominee even though we’ll lose. ”

    So who is your “better” candidate? Weld or Walsh.

    I am perfectly willing to let the primary process determine the nominee.

    But you weren’t willing to let the primary process choose Romney, were you?

    The problem with your view of “democracy” is that you don’t admit Trump has the support of 90% of Republicans. So you don’t actually believe in Democracy.

  292. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:08 pm
    Trump continues to live rent free in Robbie’s head.

    – And SDC continues to think Rasmussen is a real poll and Peter Navarro is a respected economist.

    I’ll be interested to see how you feel about Donnie after he gets his butt kicked next year.

    Also, didn’t you call for Trump to be removed from office in December when he wanted to pull out of Syria? Yes, you did.

  293. jason says:

    “and leaving the Republican Party over Trump only to become one of his biggest cheerleaders simply because party loyalty demands it.”

    Hello?

    So I left the party because of Trump but I support him out of “party loyalty”.

    I think Amoral Scumbag might have dementia.

  294. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:02 pm
    opulist buffoons hellbent on destroying the very successful international order”
    Ahhh, so it’s not about “democracy”.
    It’s about a “successful international order”.

    – Yes. I find the international order established after WWII by the West (NATO, free trade, etc.) to be far preferable to the nationalist idiocy of the 1930’s (tariffs, isolationism) that seems to be getting a second look today. You used to agree with that until Donnie decided to believe otherwise.

  295. Wes says:

    Trump has a 0% chance of losing the GOP presidential nomination.

  296. jason says:

    Of course, the “left the party because of Trump” is a lie that Amoral Scumbag keeps repeating on the Goebbels theory.

    As I explained many times before, Trump is a symptom of the change in the R party, not the cause.

    You think all the AFL-CIO conservatives here were convinced by Trump to love tariffs?

    Trump only succeeded in the GOP because he represents a majority viewpoint in the party, not the other way around.

  297. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:10 pm
    He predicted Trump would cost the GOP the senate in 2018. He was wrong.

    – Nice try, Jason fraud. I predicted Trump could cost the Republicans up to 40 House seats in 2018, but I also said Republicans stood to gain in the Senate because of the favorable map.

    Wes can back me up because he fought me on this idea for months.

  298. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:15 pm
    Amoral Scumbag believes in “Democracy” when it is convenient.
    When it is not he believes in “brokered conventions” and “political coups” and in “anointed” and “appointed” candidates.
    He knows he is not going to get Jeb Bush nominated “democratically”.

    – Open conventions are part of our Democratic process, fraud. You know that, fraud.

  299. Wes says:

    Robbie is mostly correct. He leaves out the part about his speculating Republicans could actually lose the Senate last year.

  300. jason says:

    You used to agree with that until Donnie decided to believe otherwise.”

    Zzzzz…
    i
    I don’t agree with Trump on trade. I think his tariff based trade policy and his stupid trade wars are profoundly damaging to the country and to the world’s economy as a whole, of which we are part of.

    I agree with him on taxes, on deregulation, on judicial appointments, on border security (not a physical wall), on climate change, on energy independence, on rebuilding the military.

    He is better than any of the socialists you want to see as President. But of course, you know that, you just want a socialist as President, but are too dishonest to admit it.

    GFY.

  301. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:19 pm
    s the very definition of “democratic” for those of us unhappy with Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts to use the primary process to try and find a better nominee even though we’ll lose. ”
    So who is your “better” candidate? Weld or Walsh.
    I am perfectly willing to let the primary process determine the nominee.
    But you weren’t willing to let the primary process choose Romney, were you?
    The problem with your view of “democracy” is that you don’t admit Trump has the support of 90% of Republicans. So you don’t actually believe in Democracy.

    – I’ve made it well known who my preferred choices to take on Trump in the primary are.

    As for Romney in 2012, until the rules are changed, the convention process is part of the primary process.

    If you don’t like the primary process, work to change it. Until then, the rules allow it.

  302. jason says:

    pen conventions are part of our Democratic process, fraud.”

    No, they are not, when there is a winner with a clear majority of the delegates.

    Both Romney and Trump were clear winners but you were still pushing coups and brokered conventions to deny the legitimate winner the nomination.

    You are a scumbag liar.

  303. jason says:

    ’ve made it well known who my preferred choices to take on Trump in the primary are.”

    Are they running? Or are they afraid of Trump’s 90% approval among Republicans?

    Because if they are not running, then you don’t believe in Democracy.

    You want some kind of illegal coup to appoint them the nominee.

  304. Wes says:

    Robbie, there hasn’t been an open convention since 1968. There hasn’t been one with a sitting President who sought the office since 1884. Trump is going nowhere.

  305. jason says:

    And of course if Amoral Scumbag was honest, which he isn’t, he would admit nobody is going to beat Trump for the nomination.

    You just want Trump to have a divisive primary and to spend resources and further guarantee a socialist will win.

    Amoral Scumbag is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, you can see through his BS in a nanosecond.

  306. NYCmike says:

    “4. Where have I aid I oppose overturning the results of the Brexit referendum, mouth breathing Trump supporter? I oppose Boris Johnson because I oppose populism and, more importantly, I oppose his blatantly undemocratic effort to suspend the Parliament in order to pass his Brexit bill. Would you have supported Obama had he tried to suspend Congress in order to pass gun legislation?”

    -Are you serious?

    Johnson is playing by the rules that their Parliament govern themselves with.

    If he is doing something illegal, please state what it is he is doing illegal.

    As far as I can tell, he is pulling a legal parliamentary maneuver to get what he wants, similar to Mitch McConnell, for example, keeping Congress “In Session” so that Obama couldn’t make any recess appointments.

  307. NYCmike says:

    “– I’ve made it well known who my preferred choices to take on Trump in the primary are.”

    -And if they don’t win, I want Trump to lose, but I don’t want yada yada yada….

  308. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron says the Senate isn’t “democratic “—whatever the hell that means, Mikey.

  309. lisab says:

    The story of Detroit’s bankruptcy was simple enough: Allow capitalism to grow the city, campaign against income inequality, tax the job creators until they flee, increase government spending in order to boost employment, promise generous pension plans to keep people voting for failure. Rinse, wash and repeat.

  310. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag can lie all he wants, I know he doesn’t really believe Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin and David Brooks really are the face of conservatism or the R party.

    But he is as pathetic as they are.

  311. lisab says:

    The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country;

    The LA Times is read by people who think they ought to run the country;

    The Financial Times is read by the people who actually do run the country;

    USA Today is read by the wives of the people who run the country;

    the Wall Street Journal is read by people who own the country;

    the New York Times is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country,

    and the Washington Times is read by people who think it is.

  312. NYCmike says:

    “3. It’s the very definition of “democratic” for those of us unhappy with Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts to use the primary process to try and find a better nominee even though we’ll lose.”

    -And then support the nominee of your party?

    Yes? No?

  313. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag wants the GOP to nominate someone who is not running in the primaries.

    “Democracy”

  314. NYCmike says:

    “The story of Detroit’s bankruptcy was simple enough: Allow capitalism to grow the city, campaign against income inequality, tax the job creators until they flee, increase government spending in order to boost employment, promise generous pension plans to keep people voting for failure. Rinse, wash and repeat.”

    -Sounds like Utopian Socialism…….

  315. jason says:

    Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts”

    This is straight out of the left wing talking points.

    Actually, Trump is pretty focused. Unfortunately, not always on the right things.

  316. lisab says:

    Melania Trump requires 19 fewer staffers than Michelle Obama. Currently, there are 5 staffers dedicated to FLOTUS vs. 24 staffers who served Michelle Obama. According to the White House payroll: Melania is saving taxpayers $5.1 MILLION dollars a year.

    The 19 staffers laid off made on average $268,000+ a year. “It took a lot of manpower to make Michelle look like a woman”, said former Obama staffer Tina Tchen.

  317. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:35 pm
    ’ve made it well known who my preferred choices to take on Trump in the primary are.”
    Are they running? Or are they afraid of Trump’s 90% approval among Republicans?
    Because if they are not running, then you don’t believe in Democracy.
    You want some kind of illegal coup to appoint them the nominee.

    – This is so ridiculous. If none of my preferred choices run, then of course Trump is going to be the nominee. We’ll lose with him as the nominee, but that may be what it takes to discredit the populist Tea Party nonsense that has ruined the party for the last decade.

  318. lisab says:

    Sounds like Utopian Socialism…….
    ———————

    a common myth.

    utopian socialists want tiny government and efficient market solutions.

    you cannot maximize social benefits with a giant government.

  319. lisab says:

    Beto calls for mandatory gun buy back.

    “We won’t be able to do what we want with an armed citizenry”, said Beto in a rare moment of candor

  320. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:36 pm
    Robbie, there hasn’t been an open convention since 1968. There hasn’t been one with a sitting President who sought the office since 1884. Trump is going nowhere.

    – I’m advocating for Romney or Haley to challenge Trump in the primary and hopefully defeat him. It’s more than a longshot that either will run and both would likely lose to Trump anyway as of today.

    That said, a lot can happen between now and Iowa. Trump’s approval rating has been slipping over the last six weeks and it will probably continue to do so if the economy continues to slow down.

    If Trump’s average approval rating is 35% or so around the start of the new year (I’m not predicting that), the race MIGHT look a lot different to people who have concluded it’s unwinnable? Once a candidate starts to look like a loser, things change.

  321. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:39 pm
    And of course if Amoral Scumbag was honest, which he isn’t, he would admit nobody is going to beat Trump for the nomination.

    – As of today, I don’t think anyone would beat Trump in the primary. I think he’s more vulnerable than most believe, but more vulnerable doesn’t mean beatable.

    If Trump’s average approval rating sinks to 35%, then things might be different.

  322. NYCmike says:

    “utopian socialists want tiny government and efficient market solutions.

    you cannot maximize social benefits with a giant government.”

    -In other words, you are a small government conservative but you want to remain eligible for the handouts, so you made up some silly label to fool college kids with.

  323. NYCmike says:

    Robbie, like the MSM, will repeat on a daily basis any charge which will enable the Republican nominee to lose the Presidential election, but he REALLY REALLY REALLY doesn’t want the other candidate to win.

  324. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:43 pm
    “– I’ve made it well known who my preferred choices to take on Trump in the primary are.”
    -And if they don’t win, I want Trump to lose, but I don’t want yada yada yada….

    – If Trump’s the nominee, I won’t be voting. That’s my democratic right. And yes, I hope Trump loses. You can either deal with that or not. I don’t care. I’m sorry his loss will make Biden or Warren president, but that’s not my fault. That’s the fault of the morons in the party who insisted we renominate him.

  325. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:54 pm
    Amoral Scumbag can lie all he wants, I know he doesn’t really believe Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin and David Brooks really are the face of conservatism or the R party.
    But he is as pathetic as they are.

    – This is such a cute strawman argument by the fraud. I don’t follow or care what Kristol, Rubin, or Brooks think. My views on Trump are my own.

  326. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:57 pm
    “3. It’s the very definition of “democratic” for those of us unhappy with Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts to use the primary process to try and find a better nominee even though we’ll lose.”
    -And then support the nominee of your party?
    Yes? No?

    – Bless your heart. If I believe Trump is emotionally and mentally unfit, why would I vote for him? Honestly, take your red dunce cap off. It’s cutting off blood flow to your brain.

  327. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 6:58 pm
    Amoral Scumbag wants the GOP to nominate someone who is not running in the primaries.
    “Democracy”

    – Nope. I want Romney or Haley to run against Trump in the primaries. If a convention challenge in 2016 was too much of a heavy lift, then one against a sitting president is useless.

  328. lisab says:

    In other words, you are a small government conservative but you want to remain eligible for the handouts, so you made up some silly label to fool college kids with.
    ——————————-

    no we are pretty much against government hand-outs except for:

    people who are catastrophically disabled, those to sick to work, and minimal food, shelter and clothing for people like robbie

  329. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 3, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    Trump’s erratic behavior and emotional outbursts”
    This is straight out of the left wing talking points.

    – No. This is right out of his own Twitter feed.

  330. NYCmike says:

    “That’s the fault of the 90% in the party who insisted we renominate him.”

  331. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 7:18 pm
    Robbie, like the MSM, will repeat on a daily basis any charge which will enable the Republican nominee to lose the Presidential election, but he REALLY REALLY REALLY doesn’t want the other candidate to win.

    – NYCmoron, like the rest of the Trump sycophants, will repeat on a daily basis that Trump is the best no matter what.

  332. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 3, 2019 at 7:18 pm
    Robbie, like the MSM, will repeat on a daily basis any charge which will enable the Republican nominee to lose the Presidential election, but he REALLY REALLY REALLY doesn’t want the other candidate to win.

    – A few centuries ago, 100% of the world believed the Earth was flat.

    As late as the 1940’s doctors believed surgery on the heart was not doable.

  333. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    IBD/TIPP poll of registered voters:

    Democratic Primary
    Biden 28%
    Warren 24%
    Sanders 12%
    Harris 6%
    Buttigieg 5%
    Booker 4%
    Yang, Castro, Klobucher 1%
    O’Rourke, Gabbard, Bennet, Bullock 0%

    Democratic candidates versus Trump
    Biden 54% Trump 42%
    Warren 49% Trump 46%
    Sanders 49% Trump 45%
    Harris 49% Trump 46%

  334. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Harvard-Harris Poll:

    Biden 32%
    Sanders 16%
    Warren 13%
    Harris 7%
    O’Rourke 4%
    Buttigieg 4%
    Booker 3%
    Yang 2%
    Gabbard, Castro, Kloubucher 1%

  335. lisab says:

    A few centuries ago, 100% of the world believed the Earth was flat.
    ————————-

    The earliest documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it was mentioned by ancient Greek philosophers.[1][2] It remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth’s circumference.

  336. lisab says:

    As late as the 1940’s doctors believed surgery on the heart was not doable.
    ————————-

    The earliest operations on the pericardium (the sac that surrounds the heart) took place in the 19th century and were performed by Francisco Romero (1801),[1] Dominique Jean Larrey (1810), Henry Dalton (1891), and Daniel Hale Williams (1893).[2] The first surgery on the heart itself was performed by Axel Cappelen on 4 September 1895 at Rikshospitalet in Kristiania, now Oslo.

  337. lisab says:

    As late as the 1940’s doctors believed surgery on the heart was not doable.
    ————————-

    Francisco Romero was a Spanish physician who became the first successful heart surgeon, on record, by performing an open pericardiostomy to treat a pericardial effusion in 1801.[1] According to a lost, but later found, memoir belonging to Romero, he performed at least two successful open pericardial drainages with no deaths.[2] Also according to his memoir, he performed five open drainages of pleural effusions with success, with one patient dying at 6 months.[2] Romero is credited as the first heart surgeon, since he was the first medical doctor on record to cut into the pericardium, the lining of the heart, on a living patient with a successful outcome.

  338. lisab says:

    Milano Challenges Sen. Cruz To Discuss Guns – He Accepts

  339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Mitt Romney’s analysis of the 2020 presidential race.

    “But if somebody wants to primary, fine, do your best, but (Trump) will be the Republican nominee. I happen to think that he’s likely to win reelection, in part because the economy is doing well. And I think the Democrats will select someone who does not represent the mainstream of American thought — Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. And I think when faced with that prospect, the president has a better shot and will probably get reelected.”

    Agree with Romney, when the voters are faced with a socialist vs. Trump, the will re-elect Trump.

  340. lisab says:

    Illegal charged with 208 counts of child sex assault in California: 4 year sexual relationship with 13 year girl, since she was 9, 437 felony, 156 aggravated child sexual assault, 52 oral copulation with a minor, 5 of sexual penetration by force/fear, 1 count of continual sexual abuse of a child

  341. lisab says:

    Antifa Unveils New Pumpkin Spice Molotov Cocktails For Fall Protests

  342. jason says:

    Walmart Discontinues Auto Part Sales To Prevent Car Accidents.”

  343. jason says:

    And yes, I hope Trump loses.”

    Right, so a socialist will win.

    I am sure Amoral Scumbag will be here to celebrate Trump’s loss (he was sooooo disappointed Hilary lost in 2016) like he celebrated Romney’s loss in 2012. Nothing ever changes.

    Yeah, that Romney, whom he supposedly supports in 2020.

    You can’t out amoral scumbag Amoral Scumbag.

  344. NYCmike says:

    “As late as the 1940’s doctors believed surgery on the heart was not doable.”

    -As late as November 8, 2016, until about 9PM, both Robbie and Lord Arsehat thought that Donald J Trump would never be President.

  345. NYCmike says:

    As late as NOW, Robbie (and “CG”) believe JEB!2016, along with $250 million, was the best person for the job.

  346. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    General Mattis was not a fan of Obama:

    “Mattis in the volume offers praise for George H.W. Bush for his handling of the first Gulf War, blames the advisers of George W. Bush for strategic errors in Iraq, and lashes out at Barack Obama for not taking foreign security threats seriously.

    “In White House meetings (with Obama officials), we constantly quibbled about (troop) numbers, seldom diving into the alternate end states and what was realistically needed to achieve them,” he wrote. “Discussions were designed to give the appearance of consultation, but they were not genuine.”

  347. NYCmike says:

    https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2019/09/03/toxic-masculinity-my-foot/

    -Robbie, and “CG”, prefer those who stay silent about this instead of voting for Trump……

  348. Bitterlaw says:

    In 2016, jason was willing to let Hillary win by not voting. In 2019, he is critical of Robbie for letting a Dem win by not not voting in 2020.

    I love this place.

  349. Hugh says:

    My view is that sanders has no chance of beating trump. Never ever. Any poll that says he does proves the pollsters no longer have the ability to predict elections. I’m not predicting that trump cannot lose to another democrat but these polls are a joke.

  350. NYCmike says:

    Geez, Bitterlaw, seriously.

    2016 – many, including you, still think Trump is a “liberal Democrat” despite over a year of many telling you otherwise.

    2019 – 3 years of governing show that Trump is not nearly a “liberal Democrat” ideologue, like any of the Democratic candidates running, and also shows him to have kept many of his promises regarding judges, smaller government, and pro-life policies.

  351. Tgca says:

    6 weeks ago tonight I had to put to rest my sweet gentle precious 50+ pound AmStaff who lived a very long healthy life, recently beginning her 18th year which is equivalent to 100+ years for her breed and size, moving ably about and up and down stairs until the day a tumor burst inside her and sent her to the hospital that would result in her passing 4 days later.

    Nothing is more heart-wrenching then holding your great friend and canine companion of going on 2 decades as you say good bye and she takes her last breath and the heart monitor goes flat. It leaves an enormous void in your life, and as I reflect on the over 6,000 days or 8.5 million minutes or 510+ million seconds we had together, I have so many fond memories, pictures, and videos to remember her by. We probably went on close to 15,000 walks together and I remember so many of them but clearly not all.

    So tonight, I still mourn and miss my girl who made me laugh when she was a crazy pup to when she brought me great joy in watching her enjoy and relax in her senior years, where she rarely missed the chance to get up and follow me to the kitchen, for that’s the special place where the never-ending magical treats appeared.

  352. NYCmike says:

    One other point – when I posted earlier about the Department of Labor appointee getting smeared by the press, Robbie deemed it “worthless distractions.”.

    I don’t see how it is any different than what the media tried to do to Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh. It was for a less prestigious, and somewhat less important, position BUT, the fact that the media lied about the man NEEDS to be fought back against, in ALL CASES!

  353. NYCmike says:

    Touching story, Tgca. I hear ya, friend. I am sorry for that tough loss.

    Now, I’ll allow the Godfather to say a couple of words:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZEkFLXh9Y

  354. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    364. Sorry to hear of your loss Tgca. One of the great things that happened on this planet was when humans and dogs bonded together as friends.

  355. Tgca says:

    So why come out of mourning now you ask when you really have no desire to do much of anything beyond focus on work?

    Simply to note how idiotic and out of touch folks are to think that a POTUS with over 90% party approval rating should step aside to allow known losers or those not very popular within the party have the nomination simply because rules allow it especially when those folks have no proven ability to win the GE. It’s beyond stupid that these folks who are in the extreme minority of the party at less than 10% should drive the party desires on who the nominee should be. This is what happens when you’re so blinded by hate and bitterness and lost all ability to reason and be rational because your candidate was not selected by the people. These Never Trumpers are no different than the extreme left who want to impeach Trump under any circumstance. The hate continues and will so until the day Trump leaves office. Thank God 90% of the party ignores this radical extreme fringe. The chance of gathering a coalition to remove the nominee with over a 90% approval rating is realistically significantly less than 1%. Only sheer lunacy would make someone believe that is a prescription to bring the party together instead of tearing it apart.

  356. NYCmike says:

    #368 – evidence that The Godfather was a psychology major!

  357. NYCmike says:

    I should also say “Glad to see you back, Tgca.”

    Cheers.

  358. Tgca says:

    366. NYC

    Ha! Other than watching the Notebook years back, I do not think I’ve shed any tears until the passing of my pooch. 🙂

    It was truly heart-aching to watch her look in my eyes for those last few seconds not knowing what to make of the pain and discomfort (she was on oxygen due to blood clots that developed in her lungs and was gasping heavily to breathe) and then put her head down in my palms and pass. I truly believe she knew in that moment she was going to die. For that, I do not feel shame of shedding tears and I pray to God there is a Heaven for dogs too because any being so sweet and gentle for so long deserves to go to that special place in my book.

  359. NYCmike says:

    I was with my wife’s dog, Ruby, when she passed.

    I’ll never forget it.

  360. NYCmike says:

    Goodnight all.

  361. Cash Cow TM says:

    Ruh roh….

    “CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The state missed the mark in revenue collections for a second straight month in August.

    Information released by the state Senate Finance Committee Tuesday, shows the state collected $16.8 million less in taxes than projected in August. The state is now below estimates by $49.8 million following two months of the new fiscal year.

    MORE Read finance report here

    August was not a good month for personal income tax collections, missing the mark by more than $5 million. Severance tax collections were below estimates by $12 million

    Collections for consumer sales tax beat estimates by $3.8 million.

    September will likely prove to be the first big test for collections this fiscal year with first quarter taxes due.

    Following a record setting 2019 fiscal year for collections, August marked the third straight month has missed estimates.”

  362. Cash Cow TM says:

    Some positive notes…

    1. WV has again announced the opening of lodging facilities within their state parks for refugees in the U.S. who are leaving the path of hurricane Dorian (we have recently done this before)

    2. Walt got free airline tickets for he and Mra. Walt and free car rental for a week in late November by using his reward points amassed on his credit card.

    3. I ALSO WILL GET TO FLY TO MSP–for FREE!
    Walt is declaring me his service animal.

    YEAH DADDY!

  363. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC – I hate Trump and do not trust him. However, I hate his opponents more and trust them even less. I will point out that my vote against Hillary in PA helped to elect Trump while your vote for him in NY did not.

  364. jason says:

    Hey, Ma, don’t you love the smell of bait in the morning….

    There were 278,907 votes against Hillary here in PA, was just looking up the stats. There would have been more had that option been available in the less affluent areas of the state.

  365. Wobbles says:

    Simply to note how idiotic and out of touch folks are to think that a POTUS with over 90% party approval rating should step aside to allow known losers or those not very popular within the party have the nomination simply because rules allow it especially when those folks have no proven ability to win the GE.”

    Yeah, I am stupid and out of touch.

    But look, if it makes you feel any better, it really doesn’t matter who the nominee is, I will be here with the MSM talking points against him or her.

  366. jason says:

    Tgca should donate his dog’s body to science.

    It is the first dog that reached 18 years old on a diet of quinoa, rhubarb seeds, and organic maple syrup.

  367. jason says:

    Romney might be a scumbag, but he is smarter than Corey and Amoral Scumbag combined.

    “But if somebody wants to primary, fine, do your best, but (Trump) will be the Republican nominee. I happen to think that he’s likely to win reelection, in part because the economy is doing well. And I think the Democrats will select someone who does not represent the mainstream of American thought — Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. And I think when faced with that prospect, the president has a better shot and will probably get reelected.”

    Note that he didn’t mention Biden, however. I guess he thinks Biden represents the mainstream of American thought.

  368. jason says:

    Walt got free airline tickets for he and Mra. Walt and free car rental for a week in late November by using his reward points amassed on his credit card.”

    Walt’s credit card number is

    0000 0000 0000 0001

    Expiration date:

    You should live that long

  369. Messy says:

    345. nope. they knew the earth was round at the time of the Greeks and Romans.

    321. Apparently, Wes he Weasel thinks Wyoming having equal representation to California is.

  370. DW says:

    lisab says:
    September 3, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    The earliest documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it was mentioned by ancient Greek philosophers.[1][2] It remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth’s circumference.

    Furthermore, even the Bible talked about the ‘circle of the earth’

  371. DW says:

    That Biblical reference was from the prophet Isaiah, which would pre-date the Greek philosophers a couple hundred years.

  372. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE

    Monkeys ‘can tell you shut up’ in linguistic breakthrough…
    #####################################

    ALSO…

    Trump is a much weaker president than Obama.

    Obama would have not allowed a Hurricane like Dorian to happen.”He would have appointed a Hurricane Czar to prevent this and manage things.

  373. Wes says:

    In contrast to his 2016 stand, McConnell guarantees the Senate will confirm Supreme Court nominees next year. Naturally liberals—who would welcome such hypocrisy by one of their own—are apoplectic. Elections have consequences. McConnell is doing only what any Dem Senate Majority Leader would do for a President of his party.

  374. lisab says:

    Note that he didn’t mention Biden, however. I guess he thinks Biden represents the mainstream of American thought.
    ——————————————

    Romney would actually face rather large wealth taxes if warren or sanders was elected

    they are proposing a 1% (at least) millionaires’ tax, affecting those with over $50 million in wealth as opposed to income.

    a tax like that would require romney to cough up several million dollars in cash to the irs

    there are reasons the dnc is not collecting money hand over fist like they did with obama and hillary …

    the very wealth may want trump out, but they don’t want to have to cough up millions of dollars in cash every year

  375. lisab says:

    the one brightspot the dems have in their congressional fundraising is going very well. they should hold their own.

    but on the national level, they are getting plastered. as i mentioned above, they even had to close their offices in the south dakota.

  376. Wes says:

    Honestly the more I hear about this wealth tax the more I like it. If rich liberals are going to help Dems win then said rich liberals need to suffer the consequences of their actions. It’s only fair when hypocrites such as Warren Buffett pay themselves only six figures a year salary while becoming exceptionally wealthy off capital gains so as to say they pay lower taxes than their employees. A wealth tax enables them to pay the greater amount of money they claim to want to pay.

  377. Wes says:

    Waller’s won’t endorse Reeves in MS-Gov:

    https://mississippitoday.org/2019/09/03/bill-waller-says-he-will-not-endorse-tate-reeves-in-governors-race-i-am-staying-out-of-the-general-election/

    Of course while I want party unity Reeves May have done this to himself by spending millions claiming Waller was a liberal. That would generate hard feelings. It’s also why spirited primaries shouldn’t become mean spirited assaults.

  378. lisab says:

    the trouble is

    the wealth quickly shift their assets offshore

    and the minimum wealth required to pay the tax quickly drops

    almost every farmer and rancher in the usa would quickly be subject to tax.

  379. lisab says:

    as an example from upstate ny

    a $75,000 4 bd 2 bath 2000 sq ft brick house is on sale on zillow for over a year

    they cannot unload it. why?

    because in 2003 or so the dems raised property taxes to over 3.5%

    because once the factories were outsourced to china, the executives left, and the middle class people who were left became “the rich”

    and responsible for the piles of debt the towns had borrowed

    in massachusetts we had a 1200 sqft starter home, on cape cod, $500,000 under 1% property tax

  380. NYCmike says:

    Robbie won’t come by today……market is up…..

  381. Waingro says:

    Uh oh.

    MULawPoll
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    New Marquette Law School Poll finds 51% support Joe Biden and 42% support Donald Trump in potential 2020 presidential match. #mulawpoll

  382. Wes says:

    I’m aware a wealth tax will never happen, Lisa. The rich liberals will never allow it. I’m also aware of the evasion tactics wealthy people would engage in to escape such a tax. I believe Liz Warren addressed that with a penalty for offshoring assets. Even so, it’ll never happen, and you’re right about the results of its implementation.

    I’d just like to see George Soros, Warren Buffett, and Seth McFarlane get the exact kind of leftist utopia they claim to want.

  383. Wes says:

    Is that for a particular state or the country as a whole, Wain?

    If the latter* it’s deeply disturbing.

    *Although there is no national popular vote per se a nine-point deficit would lead to decisive defeat in the Electoral College.

  384. Waingro says:

    #396, it’s for Wisconsin, Wes. And MULawPoll is the gold standard for the state that Hillary forgot to campaign in.

  385. Wes says:

    I pretty much figured Trump would lose Wisconsin in 2020. Republicans took it on the chin in four of the five big industrial states Trump had flipped in 2016 last year. I don’t expect a much different result in 2020.

  386. Wes says:

    I guess I should have said three of four because although IA is a Midwestern state situated relatively close to WI, MI, and OH it’s not a big industrial state of the type he carried along with PA.

  387. Waingro says:

    #399, yes, PA is the real tipping point state for 2020.

  388. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is from Drudge. If true, very disturbing —
    “The Trump administration is considering launching a social credit score-style system in coordination with Big Tech that would use spy data collected from Amazon, Google and Apple devices to determine whether or not an individual can own a gun.

    “The proposal is part of an initiative to create a Health Advanced Research Projects Agency (HARPA), which would be located inside the Health and Human Services Department,” reports the Daily Caller. “The new agency would have a separate budget and the president would be responsible for appointing its director.”

    HARPA would employ “breakthrough technologies with high specificity and sensitivity for early diagnosis of neuropsychiatric violence,” including Apple Watches, Amazon Echo and Google Home.”

  389. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    393. “Robbie won’t come by today……market is up…..”

    Trump’s poll numbers are up as well:

    Trump Job Approval
    Harvard/Harris 45% Approve; 55% Disapprove
    Rasmussen 46% Approve; 52% Disapprove
    Economist/You Tube: 46% Approve 51% Disapprove

    What happened to the 35% approval rating that troll predicted for Trump recently? Also the hope that Romney would challenge Trump has been shattered by Romney’s prediction that Trump would be re-elected against a far leftist candidate.

  390. NYCmike says:

    “This is from Drudge. If true, very disturbing —”

    -If they do something like that, Robbie will get his wish……no need to elect a “Republican” who would enact such a system.*

    *Personally, I think this is a bogus report, as wouldn’t legislation be needed for such an expansion of power?

  391. NYCmike says:

    Alonso*

    *after last night’s Diaz Doozy, DW may not even want to think about the METS anymore!

  392. dblaikie says:

    I learned a long time ago to be suspect of all news stories about Trump. Until it comes officially from the White House I will have my doubts.

  393. Waingro says:

    As an addendum to my earlier paste of MULawPoll. It’s still very early:

    Steve Kornacki
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    New Marquette Law Wisconsin poll:

    Biden 51%, Trump 42%
    Sanders 48%, Trump 44%
    Warren 45%, Trump 45%
    Harris 44%, Trump 44%

    September 2015:
    Clinton 50% Trump 36%
    Clinton 51% Bush 38%
    Clinton 48% Rubio 40%

    12:35 PM – 4 Sep 2019

  394. jason says:

    Apparently, Wes he Weasel thinks Wyoming having equal representation to California is.”

    Wow, Messy really is ignorant of our system of government, not a surprise since she is the most ignorant person to post here.

    In the House, where “representation” has to do with the population of each state, CA has 53 seats while WY has one. In the EC, CA has 55 EVs and WY has 3, so WY does NOT have equal representation.

    In the Senate, seats are not allocated by population, but by state, it has nothing to do with “representation”. Messy is too stupid to remember that we live in the “United States of America” and the Senate was designed to ensure every state is important to the Union. The power of the Senate is different from the House, it it weren’t there would not be a reason to have a Senate. There is nothing “undemocratic” about the Senate.

    But maybe Messy thinks CA should have 10 Governors, since they have a lot more people than Alaska.

  395. jason says:

    Trump only got 47% in WI in 2016, and he is at 42% now against the strongest of the Dems with 7% undecided. Against the others he is at 44-45% with 8-12% undecided.

    I wouldn’t panic just yet.

  396. NYCmike says:

    “September 2015:
    Clinton 50% Trump 36%
    Clinton 51% Bush 38%”

    -LOL!

  397. Wes says:

    Apparently Messy the Moron has never heard of the Connecticut Compromise, which established a bicameral national Legislature split between an apportioned lower house and an upper house with fixed representation.

    We’re also not a democracy but a republic.

  398. Paul says:

    Here’s more on Trump’s electronic data collection system that will stop all potential mass shooters…. and/or those with incorrect thoughts. He’ll just need a camp to send the potential bad people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/22/white-house-considers-new-project-seeking-links-between-mental-health-violent-behavior/

  399. NYCmike says:

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/04/why-remoaners-are-so-terrified-of-a-general-election/

    “For the past week a few thousand members of the obsessively anti-Brexit urban elites have taken to the streets to accuse Boris Johnson of behaving like a dictator by suspending parliament for a few more days than is normal. ‘It’s a coup d’état!’, they hysterically cry.”

    -Robbie,

    Are you in London?

  400. NYCmike says:

    Another Trump Miracle – ONLY Trump could convince Paul how dangerous government can be.

  401. lisab says:

    Trump’s Electoral College Edge Could Grow in 2020, Rewarding Polarizing Campaign

    ny times
    ————————

    that is the ny times!

    things are not looking good for the dems

  402. lisab says:

    the upshot is

    they know the dem candidates have gone too far left

    and don’t appeal to the midwest

  403. lisab says:

    keep in mind, you can buy honest lisab’s carbon credits for a very reasonable price

    i’m not like the others

  404. NYCmike says:

    “they know the dem candidates have gone too far left”

    -If looked at from a neutral perspective, the Left wins anyway, even with Trump winning again in 2020.

    It seems like any push back to the Right will lose the types of voter (think suburban women, Robbie, “CG”) who are persuaded by emotional arguments, thereby ensuring an electoral loss.

    That said, I intend to make sure the Left’s ascent to power takes as long as possible, as there is always Hope.

  405. DW says:

    404 – its what I have said all year, if the Mets had a BULL pen instead of a calf pen, they would be battling Atlanta for the division title. Alonso now with 45 homers after the shot today.

  406. DW says:

    Seriously, the Mets could score 100 runs in a game, but if their opponent still has an inning left, the Mets could still lose 101-100.

  407. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    411. “Here’s more on Trump’s electronic data collection system that will stop all potential mass shooters..”

    That statement is completely false.

    As the quotes from the story below indicate, the White House was briefed on the system again; it had not adopted it since the first time it was presented in 2017.

    “The White House has been briefed on a proposal to develop a way to identify early signs of changes in people with mental illness that could lead to violent behavior.
    Supporters see the plan as a way President Trump could move the ball forward on gun control following recent mass shootings as efforts seem to be flagging to impose harsher restrictions such as background checks on gun purchases.

    * * *

    The concept was advanced by the Suzanne Wright Foundation and first discussed by officials on the Domestic Policy Council and senior White House staffers in June 2017. But the idea has gained momentum in the wake of the latest mass shootings that killed 31 people in one weekend in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio.
    The Suzanne Wright Foundation re-approached the administration last week and proposed that HARPA include a “Safe Home” — “Stopping Aberrant Fatal Events by Helping Overcome Mental Extremes” — project. others spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the conversations.”

  408. NYCmike says:

    “That statement is completely false.”

    -At least we found out that Paul is possibly against massive government intrusion into the personal lives of its citizens……

  409. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The president of the Suzanne Wright Foundation, a former mayor of Larchmont, New York, is a member of Mayor Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The foundation was set up by Bob Wright, the former head of NBC. Paul, it appears to proposal originated from a bunch of liberals — do you still oppose it?

  410. Robbie says:

    CNN Breaking News
    @cnnbrk

    Wisconsin Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, a Republican who is the second-most senior member of the House, announces he will not seek reelection cnn.it/2k3sdtW

    – The number 2 in seniority member of the party doesn’t decide to retire from the House if he thinks Republicans are going to win back the majority.

    Retirements are a leading indicator about the party’s electoral chances. We’re already close to 20 for Republicans after 40 or so retirements before 2018.

    The warning lights are flashing red for 2020, but no one seems to care.

  411. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – I despise Trump as a person as much as you do. I also want him to be re-elected because the alternative is that a Democrat wins. Both can be true.

  412. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    426. You can say that Bitter, but if Trump is re-elected it will be your responsibility to talk Robbie down from the ledge.

  413. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – If Trump is re-elected, he immediately becomes irrelevant. There is no Trump ideology to carry forward, 2024 will be a Trump-free zone. Robbie can start hating the 2024 GOP nominee early on.

  414. dblaikie says:

    I see Worm is back with his drivel. Sensenbrenner is 76 years old. His district is deep red stronghold. As for me I am going to wait about six months before I even think about the House. Or at least I will hold my tongue until two bombs drop. The first is the IG report on FISA abuse. The second is which loon emerges as a definite front runner and the wacko programs they embrace.

  415. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    427. Agree Bitter. As someone said: “Trumpism is clearly an attitude, not an ideology.”

  416. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    428. Agree, plus Sensenbrenner had served 40 years.

  417. lisab says:

    San Francisco passes resolution calling NRA “domestic terrorist organization”

    because once the factories were outsourced to china, the executives left, and the middle class people who were left became “the rich”

    and responsible for the piles of debt the towns had borrowed

    in massachusetts we had a 1200 sqft starter home, on cape cod, $500,000 under 1% property tax

  418. lisab says:

    San Francisco passes resolution calling NRA “domestic terrorist organization”

    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday calling the National Rifle Association a “domestic terrorist organization.” The resolution also urges local organizations to stop doing business with the gun rights group.

    “The leadership of National Rifle Association promotes extremist positions, in defiance of the views of a majority of its membership and the public, and undermine the general welfare,” the resolution says.
    “The National Rifle Association through its advocacy has armed those individuals who would and have committed acts of terrorism.”

  419. lisab says:

    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) dropped a bomb on James Comey Sunday evening, revealing that the U.S. Attorney in Connecticut has the necessary evidence to charge the disgraced former FBI Director with criminal conspiracy charges.