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Biden Leads Trump by 9% in WI

Marquette University has released a new poll for the state of Wisconsin that shows Joe Biden leading Donald Trump by 9% in a state Trump won in 2016.

PRESIDENT – WISCONSIN (Marquette)
Joe Biden (D) 51%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 45%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Kamala Harris (D) 44%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

This poll was done August 25-29 among 800 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 8:58 pm
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214 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump by 9% in WI”

  1. Hugh says:

    So let’s vote. Will Comey strock McCabe et al get off with no consequences?? With a fair amount of experience dealing with federal regulators I’m pretty sure there will be lots of negative reports from the IG etc, but there will be no consequences because they have all leaked lied etc and they are afraid for themselves.

    I’ll vote no one gets convicted of anything. Please vote.

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    No charges so no convictions.

    Tina to call me a Jebot in 3…2…1…

  3. Wes says:

    Robbie is mentioning GOP House retirements.

    In 1994, 25 Democrats and 20 Republicans retired, including the GOP Minority Leader, 38-year Congressman Bob Michel.

    In 2010, 17 Democrats and 20 Republicans retired.

    It certainly doesn’t look the best for the GOP to have a lot of retirements, but I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely a determining factor in the way the House will go.

  4. Hugh says:

    Bitter sadly you’re right. From a family of attorneys it sad where are system is today.

  5. lisab says:

    San Francisco passes resolution calling NRA “domestic terrorist organization”

    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously passed a resolution Tuesday calling the National Rifle Association a “domestic terrorist organization.” The resolution also urges local organizations to stop doing business with the gun rights group.

  6. lisab says:

    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) dropped a bomb on James Comey Sunday evening, revealing that the U.S. Attorney in Connecticut has the necessary evidence to charge the disgraced former FBI Director with criminal conspiracy charges.

  7. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – Even if charges were brought, half the jury would think the accused were heroes and half would think they are traitors. Hung juries until the next President (in 2021 or2025) calls off the prosecutions.

  8. jason says:

    Heh

    “Wal Mart caves to people who will never shop at Wal Mart”

  9. jason says:

    I think McCabe might be indicted, not Comey.

  10. lisab says:

    Experts: It May Be Too Late To Halt Climate Change Town Hall On CNN

    U.S.—Experts solemnly warned the nation that it may be too late to stop the 7-hour climate change town hall scheduled to air on CNN tonight.

    Despite humanity’s best efforts to stall climate change town halls by long-winded, self-important politicians, the event appears to be rapidly approaching. No one has been able to come up with a plan to stop it, and now there’s a scientific consensus that it’s inevitable.

    “We have reached the point of no return,” said one expert grimly as he took a shot of something from a flask. “We have less than 12 hours before the Democrats do irreparable damage to our sanity by talking for seven full freakin’ hours on television.”

    “The only thing we can do now is say goodbye to our loved ones,” he added. “And maybe tune into something else, like HGTV or something. Anything.”

    Radical activists tried to distract the candidates to prevent the town hall from moving forward. One man left a wallet with some $20 bills sticking out of it in hopes that Bernie Sanders would get distracted. Another left a book of cool cuss words on a park bench, hoping that Beto O’Rourke would make a detour to pick it up. But all of these efforts have failed, and now the climate change town hall will affect everybody on the planet, or at least CNN’s seven viewers.

    The inescapable broadcast is expected to cause a sharp rise in unprovable claims, such as linking Hurricane Dorian to human activity. Scientists also predict a rapid surge of Prius purchases.

    “We’ve been warning the public about this for years,” said Chuck Little, certified climate authority. “Can you believe some people still think public profiteering off trendy political footballs isn’t real? Deniers,” he scoffed.

    At publishing time, experts were revising their predictions, claiming that future climate change town halls could still be avoided if everyone followed the climate change advocates’ advice to “do as we say, not as we do.”

  11. Bitterlaw says:

    I support the right of Walmart to stop selling ammunition. I support the right of its competitors to fill the void left by Walmart and to make a profit by selling lots of ammunition. Let the market decide which companies made the right decision. Capitalism, bitches. Capitalism!

  12. Most polling shows the same thing. Biden wins a tiny sliver of Republicans so Trump’s top-line is worse than versus the other candidates. Trump holds to the same top-line though vs the other Democratic candidates. People just know less about them.

    Good luck making any of them more hated than Hillary. Even some (probably) of the people that voted because they hated Hillary more than Trump regret their vote.

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Nobody regrets their vote. Hillary did not become more endearing after her defeat.

  14. jason says:

    I support the right of Walmart to stop selling ammunition”

    Me too. But that is a straw argument, since nobody questioned their “right” to stop selling anything.

    But the fact is they caved to pressure from people that would never shop there, and would tax/regulate them out of existence if they could. A great example of the Stockholm Syndrome.

    I never set foot in a Dick’s again after they stopped selling guns, and I used to licenses there and buy a lot of gear from them. I won’t say I would not shop a WM again, they still sell guns, but I think they are morons.

  15. jason says:

    PeteWilson is a brainwashed idiot.

    Knowing what I know today, I would have voted for Trump in 2016.

    And I will certainly vote for him in 2020 against any of the socialists.

    And Trump will win a “bigger sliver” of Dems than the sliver Biden wins of Republicans, book it.

    But Dems and Rs won’t decide the election.

  16. dblaikie says:

    Frankly these numbers surprise me. This far out they really don’t mean much, but that aside, they aren’t bad for a State like Wisconsin. I really don’t care about Biden’s number because with his dementia issues he is nothing but a paper threat.
    It is almost to good to be true, but the media is building up Warren of all people. The new talking points are that she is resilient like a Phoenix and besides people don’t hate her like Hillary. What a gift for the GOP, on every level, if the Dems nominate a socialist from Massachusetts. Just off the top the dems would put Nevada and New Mexico in play. They can say goodbye to any hope for Arizona, Ohio, or Florida. Outside of some urban areas, California and the Northeast both she and especially her progressive programs are not popular.

  17. Phil says:

    Not worried by Biden. He is the strongest GE candidate but I don’t see him lasting. He’s clearly slipped mentally and are we supposed to think that over the next fourteen months before the election he’s going to get anything but worse?

    My guess is that it will be Warren. She gives Trump a shot when he should have no shot.

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    I understand the points about Biden and Warren. I gave up hoping for a specific opponent after 2008. I thought Obama would be easier to beat than Hillary. I was wrong.

  19. Wes says:

    I’ve still never understood the logic that Obama would somehow have been weaker than Hillary:

    1) He had none of her baggage.

    2) He was a tireless campaigner.

    3) He announced first and raised a ton of money early, forcing Hillary to play catch-up.

    4) He piggybacked off Howard Dean’s 50 State strategy to organize every state.

    5) He ran overall positive, but vague, feel-good campaign emphasizing “hope, change, and optimism.

    6) He had a large, enthusiastic following of blacks eager to rush out to the polls to elect him.

    What exactly made anyone think Obama was weaker than Hillary?

  20. dblaikie says:

    Wes, for once, you will be happy to know, I agree with you 100%. Obama is a far better politician than Hillary could ever dream of being!

  21. dblaikie says:

    Phil “a shot” you say I respect that. Trump is his own worst enemy. But just a shot with Warren? Right now people who are putting actual money on the race at Predictit have Trump at 44 and Warren at 22.

  22. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Here is my answer and I know you will shred it. Obama had almost no experience in the Senate. He did have an enthusiastic AA base but they would go with the Dem nominee anyway. The first black/biracial President would be historic but the first woman President would shatter the ultimate gender barrier for women. There are more women of all races than black women so I went with the bigger base of voters. Also, Bill has a big base of support and backers that I thought would help Hillary 8 years after he left office.

  23. Wes says:

    So in other words you overlooked candidate quality and actual campaigns to create the fantasy that Obama was weaker than Hillary.

    Good to know.

  24. dblaikie says:

    In 2008, because of the Travel Office, because of cattle futures, because of Watergate, and because of her shameful behavior in suppressing the bimbo eruptions, Hillary was already hated by millions!

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    I answered your question, Wes.

  26. Wes says:

    By the way, Bitter, Obama got the highest percentage of the black vote for a Dem nominee ever with 96% of black men and a statistical 100% of black women. When Hillary ran in 2016 Trump managed to pull 7-8% with both groups (though to be fair, Romney also increased his share of the black vote from McCain’s in 2012). Thus, while Hillary would have topped 90% with blacks, she wouldn’t have gotten the numbers or the enthusiasm Obama received.

  27. Wes says:

    I know you answered, Bitter. I also know your explanation was a weak one based on specious reasoning.

  28. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – And most of those Hillary-haters voted in the GOP primaries, not the Dems’ primaries.

  29. Robbie says:

    Shawn Donnan
    @sdonnan

    Companies in the US are blaming “trade difficulties” for more than 10,000 job cuts.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-05/companies-in-u-s-blame-trade-for-10-488-job-cuts-in-august

    – Thank goodness trade wars are good and easy to win.

  30. lisab says:

    Woman Dies After Being Struck By Lightning While Jogging In Cemetery

    now that is how i want to go 🙂

  31. lisab says:

    Buttigieg says ‘reckoning’ coming over GOP and Christianity

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg (BOO’-tuh-juhj) says Republicans will face “a reckoning” over a policy agenda he says is out of sync with Christian values.

    Speaking on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Thursday, Buttigieg kicked off a day of television appearances in which he highlighted his Christian faith.

    Republicans, he asserted, are “known for beating people on the head” with their faith while following a policy agenda aimed at reducing assistance for the poor and other policies he said were at odds with that message.

    Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, said “there’s going to be a reckoning over that.”

  32. lisab says:

    A “servant class” that serves the needs of the country’s top one percent is among one of the fastest-growing job markets in the United States, economic analysis finds.

    As about 1.2 million mostly low-skilled legal immigrants are admitted to the U.S. every year to take primarily low-wage jobs, an underclass of servants for the wealthy has boomed over the last decade compared with overall job growth.

  33. lisab says:

    Hill Democrats ‘next’ in war on Drudge…
    —————————-

    drudge just figured out trump is a better deal for him than the dems, after being a pretty staunch anti-trumper for years

    and

    a flattering picture of ivanka just happens to appear on drudge the same day

  34. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 4, 2019 at 10:21 pm
    Robbie is mentioning GOP House retirements.
    In 1994, 25 Democrats and 20 Republicans retired, including the GOP Minority Leader, 38-year Congressman Bob Michel.
    In 2010, 17 Democrats and 20 Republicans retired.
    It certainly doesn’t look the best for the GOP to have a lot of retirements, but I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely a determining factor in the way the House will go

    – Determinant? No. Still, they’re a good indicator of how the political winds are blowing.

    Right now, Republicans running in the House and Senate have to deal with:

    * Trump’s low approval rating
    * Trump’s low standing in head-to-head matchups
    * A trade war that has resulted in manufacturing entering a recession
    * A volatile stock market
    * A slowing economy
    * Behavior by Trump that many see as erratic

    The retirements are a reaction to this just as they were in the lead up to 2018. Republicans who’ve been through thick and thin would rather cash out than endure another two years in the minority or have to answer for every crazy thing Trump says or does.

  35. Wes says:

    DB acts as if gamblers never make mistakes and lose money. Trump is the weakest President seeking reelection since 1992. I wouldn’t bet on his re-election unless Dems fully implode and somehow nominate and nominate the real-life equivalent of Bob Odenkirk’s completely unlikable character from Better Call Saul. Even then I’d be hesitant about making the bet.

  36. lisab says:

    sooooooooo … sanders and warren … who are both very wealthy want to bring about a marxist style socialism for the rest of us

    while buttigieg, the gay mayor who supports abortion through the ninth month, is running on his christian faith by speaking on msnbc?

    the democrats are supporting a brownshirt militant group, called antifa, while throwing cement on cops

    and

    they all tell us global warming is a huge problem while the obama’s just bought a $15 million dollar home next to the ocean …

  37. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    September 5, 2019 at 10:27 am
    Not worried by Biden. He is the strongest GE candidate but I don’t see him lasting. He’s clearly slipped mentally and are we supposed to think that over the next fourteen months before the election he’s going to get anything but worse?

    – We said the same things about Trump at this point in 2015. And when I noted in late December 2015 and early January 2016 Trump was the most likely nominee because, no matter what was thrown at him, his polling never wavered, I was ridiculed.

    Could Biden fold? Sure. But Biden has endured a lot of bad news over the last four months and his polling is right about where it was in April. he was accused of groping women and it didn’t matter. And I can even remember back in June when Kamala Harris supposedly wrecked his presidential campaign and now her campaign in the one polling in single digits.

  38. Wes says:

    Meanwhile Republicans have a President who used to contribute the lion’s share of his political money to Democrats and keeps getting in his own way with thin-skinned tweets and bizarre statements that undermine his popular support.

    No wonder so many people are disengaged from modern politics.

  39. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 10:48 am
    I’ve still never understood the logic that Obama would somehow have been weaker than Hillary:

    – Despite Lehman Brothers, I think McCain could (stress could) have beaten Hillary. Once Obama won the Iowa caucuses, McCain’s goose was cooked.

    Hillary had 25 years of negative press associated with her that made her uniquely unlikable and unpopular. We saw that in 2016 when a circus clown accidentally beat her.

  40. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 11:48 am
    Trump is the weakest President seeking reelection since 1992.

    – Trump’s extremely weak, but at this point in 1991, GHWB was polling north of 70%. Trump’s never been above 45% in any of the polling averages. Obviously, GHWB crashed by early Summer 1992, but he was in great shape at this point in 1991. Sadly, he and his staff didn’t take the race as seriously as needed and it didn’t help that Atwater had died earlier in the year and James Baker was SoS rather than campaign manager.

    I think Trump’s in as weak of a position as any incumbent since Carter in 1980.

  41. Tina says:

    I guess muh Recession is over with. But don’t worry muh Stormy and porn lawyah (jebots favorites) May be the soup of the day again:

    Dow rallies over 400 points on rising trade optimism, strong economic data (MarketWatch).

  42. Tina says:

    Speaking of Biden, Phil, did you see his bloody eye. There is a 30 second segment when he spoke and nothing was coherent,

    I keep noticing how Biden is kept at bay from Pocahontas.

  43. Tina says:

    Prolly not going to happen Lisab, though he clearly leaked classified information. His signature on bogus FISA warrants will be his undoing if there was no two tier justice system.

    lisab says:
    September 4, 2019 at 10:33 pm
    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) dropped a bomb on James Comey Sunday evening, revealing that the U.S. Attorney in Connecticut has the necessary evidence to charge the disgraced former FBI Director with criminal conspiracy charges.

  44. lisab says:

    csi minnesota

    horatio: what do we got?

    calleigh: a caucasian woman, lisab, jogging through a cemetary, hit by lightning. her husband says she went out for her morning jog, but for some reason she deviated from her normal path into the cemetary. she didn’t realize it was a church cemetary and hallowed ground … she didn’t have a chance.

    the question is, did she deviate on a whim, or was she chased?

    horatio: i anticipate a highly charged murder investigation!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR3jnW2kcUs

  45. Tina says:

    And notice how JIMBO set up the Trump Tower “pee wee” meeting. He typed furiously into his computer after the meeting because it was a set up. Trump was the target.

    Go back to trumps 1/17 tweet about the meeting and he knew it was.

  46. Wes says:

    Did you notice I cited 1992 rather than 1991, Robbie? Early in 1992, GHWB took a hit in popularity after Buchanan primaries him and got a surprisingly large 37% of the vote in NH. GHWB never again posted strong favorables during the campaign—sinking to a low of 30% in July—and trailed consistently after June. When Perot dropped out of the race Clinton’s lead over GHWB actually expanded before decreasing once Perot reentered the race. Clearly GHWB was a weak candidate for reelection. Carter may have been weaker, but 1980 was 12 years before 1992. As I recall, Carter also wasn’t consistently trailing Reagan till Fall of 1980.

  47. NYCmike says:

    “but the first woman President”

    -Hillary is a woman?

  48. Tina says:

    Comedy needs to be worried by Flynn’s new attorney, she is doing well against deep sheot. It may be too late in the rigged game though.

    Notice fib cannot produce the original 302.

    Fib will depend on statements by Pete the Cheat whose reputation is in shatters. Btw is Pete the Cheat still friends with Judge Contreras?

  49. NYCmike says:

    “Meanwhile Republicans have a President who used to contribute the lion’s share of his political money to Democrats”

    54% – 46% = “lion’s share”

    The hyenas don’t have it so bad after all!

  50. Wes says:

    I guess Mikey is too stupid to have a working knowledge of basic English. I took this directly from Dictionary.com.

    the lion’s share
    the largest part of something.

  51. Tina says:

    I also believe Robert was making a booty call as events that led up to the arrest. But he looks cool standing on tables or cussing. All he needs is a skate board to complete the look.

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    · 21h
    .@BetoORourke who drove drunk, tried to flee the scene, resisted arrest, and wrote about his fantasies of running over and killing little children is lecturing law abiding Americans on their fitness to own firearms.

    Let that sink in

  52. Tina says:

    Poor drats and rinos cannot stop this:

    The Pentagon is prepared to fund 175 miles of border wall construction, Pentagon officials said Tuesday, using $3.6 billion in military construction funds that had been designated for 127 projects over the next year.

  53. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 12:19 pm
    Did you notice I cited 1992 rather than 1991, Robbie? Early in 199

    – I didn’t know if you were referring to the 1992 campaign as a whole or just the year 1992.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    In NYC’s world, giving more than 50% of his donations to flaming liberals is a Zzzzzz. Rubio talking to Schumer (who received donations from Trump) makes him a RINO.

  55. SusyQue says:

    The Odessa Shootter’s name is Seth Attor, a Democrat Socialist who had a Beto sticker on his truck. Why is the media not mentioning this? I think I know why?

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  56. NYCmike says:

    “The hyenas don’t have it so bad after all!”

    -Wes seems to be the stupid one.

    The hyena, who did NOTHING, gets to eat 46% of the lion’s work…..which is why I said what I said.

    I guess Wes won’t mind giving 46% of his revenue to the federal government once the Democrats have their way……after all, he will be able to keep the “lion’s share” (“the largest part of something.”) of his income.

    I now more fully understand why he doesn’t get too upset about his opinion on Trump losing in 2020.

  57. NYCmike says:

    #55 – The horse is dead, Bitter, and you buried it, twice.

  58. NYCmike says:

    “Early in 199”

    -The last story Walt told the grandkids started with these words.

  59. Wes says:

    I love how Mikey rationalizes Trump’s contribution ratio. He gave 46% to Republicans—who obviously did nothing for those contributions (wink, wink)—so all those Democrats such as Schumer who benefited clearly did all the heavy lifting to get Trump’s political money.

    Mmmhmmmm…

  60. Wes says:

    Mikey has already said Trump will go Left once re-elected. I’m supposed to get emotionally invested because a man Mikey has already admitted will return to his liberal roots on 1-21-2021 is working overtime to give his opposition every opening to exploit against him is in horrible shape for reelection.

    Question, Mikey:

    If Trump is going to be a liberal in his putative second term how am I to trust him not raise my taxes like any other liberal?

  61. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    2016 was a good time for that discussion, which this board had ad nauseam.

    As for you, make sure you pay 46% of your income to the state (the hyena), and move on. You will keep the “lion’s share” of your income, which should make you happy.

  62. Wes says:

    AND MIKEY IGNORES THE QUESTION!!!!

    Who didn’t see that coming?

  63. NYCmike says:

    “Mikey has already said Trump will go Left once re-elected.”

    -I have never made such a statement.

    I have said that he MIGHT go Left, but that is where a Republican Congress (all or part) would step in and say “NO”.

    Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

    Or does one need a certification for that in North Carolina?

  64. NYCmike says:

    “If Trump is going to be a liberal in his putative second term how am I to trust him not raise my taxes like any other liberal?”

    -That can always happen. I hope it doesn’t.

    I can GUARANTEE the Democratic candidate will raise taxes.

    THAT is why you vote for Trump, with enthusiasm.

  65. NYCmike says:

    #63 – I did not realize this was a timed exam.

  66. NYCmike says:

    Question asked at 2PM.

    Question answered at 2:02PM.

    CNN moderator Wes already hit the buzzer for Times up!

  67. Wes says:

    Even though I’m voting for Trump,Mikey, I consider his reelection a Sophie’s choice.

    That subpar approval rating isn’t budging, so Republicans are guaranteed to face another 1958 or 1974 in 2022. They’ll also lose the presidency in 2024.

    I don’t see how that’s advantageous to anyone but the Dems.

  68. jason says:

    If wes really thought Obama was a stronger candidate than Hillary in the GE kudos to him.

    Add me to those that hoped he would be nominated instead of Hillary.

    In my book, he was a glorified community rabble rouser with a less than mediocre stint in the IL state senate and a mediocre 2 years as a US senator a seat which he won by default. He had not as much run a lemonade stand, spoke in a boring monotone, and had just about zero qualifications for the Presidency. Everything about him appeared fake. And was, btw.

    For that reason I preferred him to Hillary.

  69. Wes says:

    I told you guys Mikey was stupid. He can’t even read time stamps to see the difference between 1:56 and 2:00.

  70. NYCmike says:

    ” He can’t even read time stamps to see the difference between 1:56 and 2:00.”

    -Is this like the difference between a hooker and a stripper?

  71. NYCmike says:

    “That subpar approval rating isn’t budging, so Republicans are guaranteed to face another 1958 or 1974 in 2022. They’ll also lose the presidency in 2024.”

    -Please alert Ike and Tricky Dick that they did the Republican Party a disservice by being re-elected.

  72. Wes says:

    Notice how Jason completely overlooked the political campaign—this being politics after all—to convince himself Obama was a weak candidate in 2008.

    Obama was an ambitious far-left pol who never took anything for granted when running for office in any election. He may have had a thin resume, but voters rarely care about that—especially when the sitting President is averaging 30% in popularity.

    Obama has operatives on the ground in Nebraska of all places to win NE-2. He assiduously worked the ground in all states. My home state flipped in large part because early on Obama realized he could organize white liberals in Charlotte and the Triangle while ginning up blacks to numbers not seen in decades.

    All these were part of the campaign he ran. Voters on blogs may care about resumes—and let’s be honest, Hillary hadn’t a great resume either with only two elections to a safe Senate seat under her belt—but rank-and-file voters care about a resume only when they can use it to justify supporting a certain candidate.

  73. NYCmike says:

    Wes,

    By 2022 or 2024, you may have gotten married, or been involved with several more emotionally battered women.

    The past is no guarantee of what will happen in the future, although it may provide some hints.

  74. Wes says:

    I think I already did, Mikey. Ike supported keeping taxes high and dealt with a recession that took Republicans down to New Deal levels in Congress in 1958. They wouldn’t retake the House of Representatives till 1994.

    Nixon spent a year and a half plagued with scandals involving him and Spiro Agnew. Although he resigned about 10 weeks before the election, voters didn’t forget and clobbered his party in 1974 as payback. They showed no signs of recovery from this debacle till Reagan ran in 1980 and for the first time since 1946 made the GOP a viable alternative to the Dems.

  75. Wes says:

    That 41-seat loss in Congress last year—the largest the GOP has suffered in a first midterm since 1930–doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence Republicans are suddenly going to start winning elections in Trump’s second term, Mikey. For one, the Class 4 seats up in three years almost 180• opposite of where the Class One seats were last year. The one thing that kept Schumer from becoming Senate Majority Leader this year won’t be in place in 2022.

  76. Wes says:

    Heh. Class 4. That’s obviously supposed to be Class 3.

  77. dblaikie says:

    Wes acts as if polls are never wrong and historical trends are never broken. Of course I know the betting can be wrong. But what impressed me about the betting is that Trump is not up in the polls and yet still is solidly ahead with investors. I am not claiming more than this is just a data point, but it is as informative as anything else at this stage of the cycle.

    Wes, my friend, if you want to believe that Elizabeth Warren — Ivy League socialist elite that she is — has a real chance to win then be my guest. However remember I want a bottle of Highland Park 12 year old single malt when she loses.

  78. jason says:

    Heh…

    “Media Cancel James Mattis After They Learn His Book Criticizes the Wrong President”

  79. NYCmike says:

    “My home state flipped in large part because early on Obama realized he could organize white liberals in Charlotte and the Triangle while ginning up blacks to numbers not seen in decades.”

    -Are you sure he didn’t organize the blacks and gin up the white liberals?

  80. Robbie says:

    NYCmoron’s read on political history is something out of a Mel Brooks history book. When Ike and Nixon were re-elected, both were extremely popular. Go to 538 and look at the approval ratings of each throughout their first terms. Despite that, Republicans suffered massive rebukes in the second midterms and then lost the following presidential election. Obviously, Nixon’s scandal contributed to the 1974 wipeout, but what was the excuse for Ike?

    On the other hand, Trump is very unpopular, especially considering the economy has been so good throughout his presidency. If he were sneak out a second term win (highly unlikely right now), it would guarantee an electoral rebuke in 2022 worse than 2018 and a presidential defeat for the party in 2024 worse than 2008. What awful policy would be produced by that combination?

    It’s the final point that makes me wonder why Nikki Haley, who clearly wants to be president, is so willing to sit out 2020. If Trump wins in 2020, the 2024 nomination won’t be worth having. So why wait? The only conclusion I can come to is she expects Trump to lose and hopes to be there to pick up the pieces. But she should remember that was Christie’s plan in 2016 as well. He passed on 2012 when many wanted him to run, but by 2016 he was old news and ended up going to the drive thru at McDonalds to get food for Trump.

  81. Robbie says:

    Apparently, daNile is just a river with many at HHR.

  82. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    I said NADA about popularity polls.

    I was simply making a comment about winning the next election, and then worrying about the next election after that.

    You don’t like Trump, we get it. He will not be replaced with any other Republican, as evidenced by Romney’s statement that several posted for you.

    In 2020, it is either Trump, or a GUARANTEED LIBERAL LOON (do I need to write “LOON”?).

    Make your choice.

  83. NYCmike says:

    “It’s the final point that makes me wonder why Nikki Haley, who clearly wants to be president, is so willing to sit out 2020.”

    -What are you wondering about?

    She can’t defeat Trump in a primary, and will better serve herself to push for his re-election in 2020, and prepare for 2024.

  84. Wes says:

    Trump is guaranteed to win renomination in 2020. Any Republican foolish enough to challenge him would get nowhere. It’s best to eschew a challenge and let him go into the general as unscathed as possible so Trump doesn’t do worse than expected next year and Republicans can try to avoid an electoral wipeout downballot.

  85. Wes says:

    The principal reason for the 1958 results:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1958

  86. NYCmike says:

    “He passed on 2012 when many wanted him to run, but by 2016 he was old news and ended up going to the drive thru at McDonalds to get food for Trump.”

    -As opposed to Robbie, who loaded up on guac bowls in anticipation of his JEB!2016 Blowout Coronation Party.

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    79. “Media Cancel James Mattis After They Learn His Book Criticizes the Wrong President”

    This is being commented about a lot. Mattis disagreed with Trump on several policy matters, and disliked his personal style; he openly loathed Obama — blamed him for “catastrophic decisions” and stated his foreign policy was a “failure”. This was unacceptable to the liberal propaganda press.

  88. NYCmike says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-accused-humiliating-hosts-152620308.html

    -Robbie,

    No need to post it. I took care of it for you.

    🙂

  89. Tina says:

    Sounds like the judge may go postal on the lack of Brady Material handed over to Flynn’s Counsel. Also, the Department of Unjustice is refusing to give the material to the new attorney because they won’t give her a security clearance.

    Fuhrer Mulehead and the gestapo have held onto the Brady materials for over a year.

  90. Tina says:

    This is Flynn’s counsels motion filed on 8/30:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6367821/8-30-19-Flynn-Motion-to-Compel-Brady.pdf

    His attorney whips the gubment.

  91. lisab says:

    i do not think biden can win

    and warren is probably not going to play well in the midwest

  92. Tina says:

    Looks like Alabama was in the line of sight during the early hurricane forecasts. Media lied again. Tweet from their national guard below:

    AL National Guard
    @AlabamaNG
    · Aug 30
    #HurricaneDorian is projected to reach southern Alabama by the early part of the week. We are watching closely and #ready to act. Are you?

  93. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag wouldn’t vote for Nikki Haley for President in a million years, he is a lying POS.

    The instant she was nominated he would be here with every left wing talking point he could find. Nothing would be too low.

    In fact, there is a rumor Trump will switch Pence for Haley. The instant that happens, Amoral Scumbag will be here pining for Pence (who he also always hated) and attacking Haley. Not that I really expect this will happen.

    And of course, the reason Haley has no interest in running is that she reads the same polls we do, that Trump has 90% approval among Rs and nobody is going to beat him for the nomination.

  94. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 3:20 pm
    Trump is guaranteed to win renomination in 2020. Any Republican foolish enough to challenge him would get nowhere. It’s best to eschew a challenge and let him go into the general as unscathed as possible so Trump doesn’t do worse than expected next year and Republicans can try to avoid an electoral wipeout downballot.

    – A couple of points.

    First, I agree with you Trump is guaranteed to win the nomination, if for no other reason, because no one of credibility is challenging him. That said, I’m sure the same thing was said about LBJ at this point in 1967. But then McCarthy entered the race, drew blood in New Hampshire, and LBJ was gone a week later. His aura of invincibility was a mirage.

    New Hampshire is the key here as well. Consider this. A CNN poll in July found that almost half of New Hampshire Republicans want Trump to face a primary, and 35% of Republicans are “still trying to decide” whether to vote for the current Republican president. Does that sound like a president who is on firm political footing?

    If that many Republicans and right leaning Independents in New Hampshire are open to a primary, is Haley a guaranteed loser there? Is Romney? Especially if the economy continues to slow? Would either even have to win outright to seriously dent the aura invincibility of Trump with future primary voters? It would seem to me 45% of the vote might just be a game changer.

    But again, no one seems interested in running right now so Trump is guaranteed the nomination. However, is an unchallenged Trump any more likely to prevent down ballot losses in 2020? That sure didn’t work in 2018. Trump said he was on the ballot in 2018 and the party still collapsed in precisely the areas where Trump has been the weakest and things for him with suburbia have only gotten worse.

    My last thought is this. It’s folly to think we’ll be rid of Trump if he loses in 2020. Without any pushback from the party before the election, he’ll claim the results were stolen from him, he’ll use his Twitter feed to keep the party in line, and it’s quite possible he’ll consider a 2024 run as an aggrieved candidate. If not him, then maybe Don Jr. I knw plenty of people in this forum who would back him. With FoxNews and Rush in his hip pocket, would you want to bet against him in the 2024 primary?

    Without providing an alternate vision to Trumpism, Trumpism will become the party and the party will become what it was in the 1930’s, irrelevant.

  95. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 5, 2019 at 3:30 pm
    “He passed on 2012 when many wanted him to run, but by 2016 he was old news and ended up going to the drive thru at McDonalds to get food for Trump.”
    -As opposed to Robbie, who loaded up on guac bowls in anticipation of his JEB!2016 Blowout Coronation Party.

    – As opposed to NYCmoron who harrumphed through this forum for a decade or so espousing the Tea Party principles of lower spending and the perils of debt and deficits only to embrace Trump’s free wheeling spending that makes Obama look like a fiscal conservative.

  96. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 5, 2019 at 5:51 pm
    Amoral Scumbag wouldn’t vote for Nikki Haley for President in a million years, he is a lying POS.
    The instant she was nominated he would be here with every left wing talking point he could find. Nothing would be too low.

    – Bless your heart. After all of these years you still don’t realize it’s ok to offer critiques of a candidate and still vote for that person. I guess what Jason fraud wants is nothing but positivity about the candidates he prefers. By the way, that wasn’t Don the conman in 2016. He attacked Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for Trump, and then left the party over Trump.

    As for Haley, I’d vote for her in a heartbeat. Same for Pence. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t shy away from criticizing them if they ran garbage campaigns like McCain did in 2008 or Romney did in 2012. I still get a kick out of you and your buddy Howard Dean telling me in September 2008 McCain was running a fine campaign and falling oil prices were going to be a tax cut for voters that would help McCain.

  97. NYCmike says:

    “only to embrace Trump’s free wheeling spending that makes Obama look like a fiscal conservative.”

    -Odd definition of “embrace” that you have.

    I would have been fine with the government being shutdown for the last 24 or so months, but both Trump and Congress are addicted to deficit spending.

    I have not supported Trump’s signing of the budgets passed by Congress at all.

    And have stated this REPEATEDLY.

    Funny how certain people ignore comments which show they are full of cr*p.

  98. Robbie says:

    Trump could raise taxes, impose tariffs on every country in the world, and institute Medicare for all and NYCmoron would be fine with it. He’d deem it patriotic.

  99. jason says:

    First, I agree with you Trump is guaranteed to win the nomination,

    Right, so finally Amoral Scumbag admits all the “alternative theories” are BS and hogwash.

    If Trump is guaranteed to win the nomination, then talk about another scenario is just an excuse to help the socialists, not that we didn’t already know that.

  100. Wes says:

    Don’t forget Howard Dean told us Obama couldn’t top 39% of the vote in 2008.

    It made perfect sense with a grossly unpopular GOP President in office in 2008, McCain would crush Obama by 20 points. 🙄

  101. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    September 5, 2019 at 6:32 pm
    First, I agree with you Trump is guaranteed to win the nomination,
    Right, so finally Amoral Scumbag admits all the “alternative theories” are BS and hogwash.
    If Trump is guaranteed to win the nomination, then talk about another scenario is just an excuse to help the socialists, not that we didn’t already know that.

    – I’ll talk about the things I want just as you’ll continue to show you are a fraud.

  102. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 6:33 pm
    Don’t forget Howard Dean told us Obama couldn’t top 39% of the vote in 2008.
    It made perfect sense with a grossly unpopular GOP President in office in 2008, McCain would crush Obama by 20 points.

    – I’m still waiting for the Michelle Obama whitey tape Howard Dean assured us was coming in September 2008. I mean his source, CIA nut job Larry Johnson, was impeccable, right?

  103. Wes says:

    In 2012, Howard Dean said Obama had no chance at reelection and bet me $1000 Romney would crush Obama in this state.

    St. Jude’s was quite happy about his stupidity.

  104. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    September 5, 2019 at 7:22 pm
    In 2012, Howard Dean said Obama had no chance at reelection and bet me $1000 Romney would crush Obama in this state.
    St. Jude’s was quite happy about his stupidity.

    – Whatever happened to him? Did he go to RRH with delbov and his curve that worked so well in 2008?

  105. Wes says:

    Mnw claimed to have found him on another site recently.

  106. Messy says:

    93. But that was a week before. it changed course well before that and Trump knew about that and lied about it anyway. Then he changed a map to show that his lies were true, breaking the law.

  107. lisab says:

    CNN’s 7-Hour Climate Change Town Hall Loses In Ratings To Meet the Kardashians Reruns

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    Time to watch the first game of the NFL season. Is the boycott over?

    I think the Bears will challenge for home field advantage in the Playoffs. I think the Eagles will, too. Go Pack Go.

  109. lisab says:

    Bernie Sanders supports government funded abortion for population control

    to fight climate change

  110. lisab says:

    i hope the patriots do well this year

  111. lisab says:

    democrats begin blacklist in pittsburg to get trump supporting businesses shut down

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    No kneeling on screen for the anthem.

  113. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    107. Messy, are you next going to demand that Trump be impeached for “breaking the law” by predicting the hurricane would impact Alabama, when he knew its course had changed? Is the first impeachment count going to be hurricane obstruction?

  114. NYCmike says:

    #99 – The tariffs, you may be correct, although I wouldn’t, and have never, called them patriotic. I have said that the Founding Fathers would have an interesting discussion concerning tariffs, as they made use of them.

    As for raising taxes and instituting Medicare-for-All, we KNOW the Democratic candidate will try to do this, so let’s all speak loudly and proudly about the current President who, along with any part of a Republican Congress, is doing his very best to get rid of onerous rules and regulations, and is stopping any loony-toon liberal legislation from getting signed into law!

    Are you with me?!?!

  115. lisab says:

    3 of chinas 10 largest banks have failed in the last three months

  116. NYCmike says:

    “Are you with me?!?!”

    -Robbie, where are you?

    Robbie? Robbie?

  117. lisab says:

    biden: i’d appoint obama to the supreme court

  118. lisab says:

    harris: i’d ban plastic straws for the environment, but we still need to perfect paper straws. you really need to gulp your drink down with a paper straw once you bend them, and i’m an expert on swallowing.

  119. lisab says:

    barbara streisand: the electoral college is an assault on our democratic principles

  120. Wes says:

    Is anything Dems don’t tangibly benefit from NOT an assault on our “democratic principles “?

    We are a republic rather than a democracy by the way.

    Of course I would argue if we have “democratic Values,” then taking tax money from citizens to give to illegals and allowing illegals the right to vote in our elections are assaults on such.

  121. lisab says:

    all dem candidates propose ending offshore drilling and fracking

  122. Tina says:

    Kukooo kukoooooo

    “Then he changed a map to show that his lies were true, breaking the law.”

  123. Tina says:

    Maybe Messy, you can have Mulehead “investigate” with the Ny Fat Pad from the house

  124. Tim says:

    Hello, Tina, Wes, and lisab! Just dropping by to say I’m glad to see a bunch of the old gang on here!

    Go

  125. Bitterlaw says:

    I always find it interesting after a QB throws an interception he immediately goes to the sideline and studies photos/videos of the play. I guess he needs the needs the time to learn that throwing to the guy wearing his color jersey in the middle of the 3 guys wearing the other team’s jersey was a bad idea.

  126. lisab says:

    tim must be 80 now

  127. NYCmike says:

    If he is still a Democrat, he has a brain like an 18 year old. Young at heart.

  128. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    122. “all dem candidates propose ending offshore drilling and fracking.”

    Biden doesn’t.

    “Joe Biden said he would not ban the practice of fracking for natural gas, distancing himself from some of his Democratic rivals, but said he would evaluate existing fracking permits to determine their safety.”

    -and-

    “THE DAY AFTER Joe Biden participates in CNN’s climate forum in New York, the former vice president will head to a high-dollar fundraiser co-hosted by a founder of a fossil fuel company.

    Andrew Goldman, a co-founder of Western LNG, a natural gas production company based in Houston, Texas, is co-hosting one of two high-dollar fundraisers Biden will attend in New York on Thursday. Western’s major project is a floating production facility off the northern coast of British Columbia designed to provide Canadian gas to markets in northeast Asia.”

  129. lisab says:

    Biden doesn’t
    ————————

    that is a flip flop then

    Dana Bash: thank you, vice president. just to clarify, would there be any place for fossil fuels including coal and fracking in a biden administration?

    Joe Biden: No. We would work it out. We would make sure it’s eliminated, and no more subsidies for either one of those, any fossil fuel.

    i guess cash is king

  130. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    129. Like farmers, those involved in the energy industry are willing to support Trump on his trade policies, even if they involve tariffs. They do so, however, in the expectation that Trump will move forward with negotiations and exercise his self-proclaimed deal-making prowess. In October trade negotiations will resume again with China — how these turn out may determine whether Trump is re-elected.

  131. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    130. “that is a flip flop then”

    The flip flop is the ballet of politicians. Those who do it well are held in awe.

  132. lisab says:

    the farmers i know support trump because they think the dems are a bunch of immoral people

  133. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    133. At this point, will stand with my earlier political forecast. If the election were held now; believe Biden would be favored. Trump would defeat either Warren or Sanders because voters will not elect socialists, with unfunded trillion dollar(s) spending plans.

  134. dblaikie says:

    San Diego after the Climate Change eye opener on CNN a couple nights ago, the energy industry needs to support Trump out of survival. Every Dem candidate wants to destroy it.

    The truth is that CNN in doing that gave the GOP a great gift. From Uncle Joe on down, they want Government, from the number of children we have to what we eat, to control our live. It was frightening.

  135. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    This is not surprising, but his candidacy would have helped Trump at the margins.

    https://politicalwire.com/2019/09/06/howard-schultz-will-not-run-for-president/

  136. DW says:

    The leftists of course don’t let the hurricane go to waste, trying to claim it as evidence of climate change/global warming.

    Never mind the facts like these:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricanes_in_the_17th_century

  137. Robbie says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    The Fake News Media was fixated on the fact that I properly said, at the beginnings of Hurricane Dorian, that in addition to Florida & other states, Alabama may also be grazed or hit. They went Crazy, hoping against hope that I made a mistake (which I didn’t). Check out maps…..

    – Day 6 of this nonsense. But yeah, he’s a very stable genius. Remember, Trumpaloos. It’s only going to get worse. Enjoy defending this crap a year from now.

  138. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 6, 2019 at 2:06 am
    133. At this point, will stand with my earlier political forecast. If the election were held now; believe Biden would be favored. Trump would defeat either Warren or Sanders because voters will not elect socialists, with unfunded trillion dollar(s) spending plans.

    – I read repeatedly in this forum in late 2007 and all throughout 2008 that Obama would never win because he was a socialist. How’d that work out? When the country sours on the party in power, it almost never matters what the alternative is.

  139. Phil says:

    Doesn’t matter, Robbie. The earth is doomed and we only have a few years to live. That’s a fact. I saw it on that seven hour thing on CNN the other night.

  140. dblaikie says:

    Worm is right, the Socialist label didn’t stick. You know why? Obama wasn’t a socialist in 2007. He was a progressive. My lord the difference between Obama and the current contenders is night and day. If the choice was between Obama and any of these people — it wouldn’t be a choice for me. Without a moment of hesitation I would pull the lever for Obama.

  141. lisab says:

    Officials In ‘Sanctuary’ County Lash Out At Conservative Media For Reporting On String Illegal Alien Sex Crimes

    Officials in Montgomery County, Maryland, blamed conservative media, the White House and a top immigration official Thursday for drawing attention to a recent spate of sexual assaults carried out by illegal aliens. “We don’t want people to know this, and it should be illegal to be spread by the media”.

  142. lisab says:

    Buttigieg says those who eat burgers, use plastic straws are ‘part of the problem’ on climate change

  143. lisab says:

    warren has opened up a 9 cent lead on joe biden on predictit

  144. dblaikie says:

    Call me crazy, but I think it would be fun to offer free burgers and chic fil a sandwiches at future Buttigieg rallys.

  145. lisab says:

    antifa sites have started to dox trump supporters

    so if you give to trump or the gop

    your name might be published, especially in blue states

  146. Messy says:

    123.124. Sure Tina, but he did LIE after getting the correct facts and tried to mislead the people in the Carolinas that the hurricane wasn’t coming their way, and then doubling down on it later by doctoring an old map. Fraud.

  147. SusyQue says:

    Please we need your help to spread this truth. Please SHARE this post or RE-TWEET it so we can spread THE TRUTH!

    The Odessa Shootter’s name is Seth Attor, a Democrat Socialist who had a Beto sticker on his truck. Why is the media not mentioning this? I think I know why?

    Please we need your help to spread this truth. Please SHARE this post or RE-TWEET it so we can spread THE TRUTH!

  148. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #147
    GET A LIFE!!!!!

  149. jason says:

    ead repeatedly in this forum in late 2007 and all throughout 2008 that Obama would never win because he was a socialist. ”

    LOL, let’s reinvent history.

    Obama didn’t run as a socialist, he not only ran against gay marriage but with a “post partisan”, “non-partisan” message.

    He didn’t say he was going to confiscate guns, abolish air travel, ban hamburgers, allow men to compete in women’s sports, offer free college and debt forgiveness for everyone, etc.

    Obama is a socialist no doubt, but he knew he wouldn’t win an election running like one. Today’s Dems have no such hesitations.

  150. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag hardest hit:

    “ThinkProgress, the influential news site that rose to prominence in the shadow of the Bush administration and helped define progressivism during the Obama years, is shutting down.

    The outlet, which served as an editorially independent project of the Democratic Party think tank Center for American Progress, will stop current operations on Friday and be converted into a site where CAP scholars can post. Top officials at CAP had been searching for a buyer to take over ThinkProgress, which has run deficits for years, and according to sources there were potentially three serious buyers in the mix recently. But in a statement to staff, Navin Nayak, the executive director of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, said the site was ultimately unable to secure a patron”

  151. Wobbles says:

    Thank the Central Kommittee, I still have Daily Kos and MSNBC.

  152. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    147. “but he did LIE after getting the correct facts and tried to mislead the people in the Carolinas that the hurricane wasn’t coming their way,”

    Shocking Messy, absolutely shocking. You need to get the story out to the public. Forget Pelosi, she is controlled by the Zionist Israelis elites. You need to go direct to AOC, she may believe you and tweet the story out.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As General Mattis points out, Biden was responsible for one of the worst foreign policy blunders of this century. He has no business being president, particularly in his current mental state:

    “Mattis also argued against pulling out precipitately. He said the training wheels shouldn’t suddenly be pulled off the bicycle. “We should slowly inch the wheels up, allowing the Iraqis to wobble but not crash as they slowly pedaled down the path to self-sufficiency,” he said. “If we pulled out too early, I noted, we would have to bring our troops back in.”
    The general’s assessment fell on deaf ears.
    “Vice President Biden and his assistants listened politely. But as we spoke, I sensed I was making no headway in convincing the administration officials not to support Maliki. It was like talking to people who lived in wooden houses but saw no need for a fire department,” Mattis writes.
    “I liked the Vice President,” Mattis writes, even after Biden teased him: “Know why you’re at CENTCOM?” Biden asked him. “Because no one else was dumb enough to take the job.”
    “I found him an admirable and amiable man. But he was past the point where he was willing to entertain a ‘good idea.’ He didn’t want to hear more; he wanted our forces out of Iraq. Whatever path led there fastest, he favored,” Mattis writes. “He exuded the confidence of a man whose mind was made up, perhaps even indifferent to considering the consequences were he judging the situation incorrectly.”
    Biden reassured Mattis that Maliki wouldn’t eject all American troops from the country.
    “Maliki wants us to stick around, because he does not see a future in Iraq otherwise,” Biden said. “I’ll bet you my vice presidency.”
    Mattis doesn’t say whether he tried to collect on that bet. As he writes, “In October 2011, Prime Minister Maliki and President Obama agreed that all U.S. forces would leave at the end of the year.”
    Mattis’ warnings proved prescient, as Maliki, free of American influence, went after Sunni politicians and districts, alienating a third of the country. “Iraq slipped back into escalating violence. It was like watching a car wreck in slow motion,” Mattis writes. A Sunni revolt and a weak Iraqi Army allowed al Qaeda-aligned terrorists to return in 2014, calling themselves the Islamic State.
    “It would take many years and tens of thousands of casualties, plus untold misery for millions of innocents, to break ISIS’s geographic hold,” Mattis writes. “All of this was predicted — and preventable.”
    Biden has been touting on the campaign trail his role in the decision that Mattis believes, as do many other experts, led to the rise of ISIS. “I was responsible for getting 150,000 combat troops out of Iraq — my son was one of them,” he said on the Democratic debate stage in June.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ignoring-reality-biden-got-it-wrong-on-iraq-mattis-says

  154. Proud Obamacon says:

    SusyQ needs serious help. Pretty obvious that “she” is a Russian Bot! As for the rest of yall, more bad economic news today. Job numbers miss. Hours at a 19 month low. Wages down. It’s sad what Orange has done to Obama’s economy.

    #RESIST!

  155. Proud Obamacon says:

    Pro-Democracy protests continue in Hong Kong. Where’s our sorry excuse for a president? Oh yeah, he’s silent and cozying up to the autocratic Chinese. Absolutely sick. But then again, not surprising given how much he hates Democracy and loves autocracy. Is it 1/1/21 yet?

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  156. Proud Obamacon says:

    Orange wants to scrap primaries and have states just give him all their delegates. Who needs elections right? Hell we should cancel elections and make him King Orange the First! Right? Yall talk about how much yall love freedom and $hit. Hell, total bull$hit. Yall want a dictator. You don’t give a $hit about Democracy.

    #blue.wave.comin’

  157. jason says:

    Proud Obamacon never mentioned “pro-Democracy” protests in Venezuela, his Marxist paradise.

  158. jason says:

    Yeah, Hillary was big on “Democracy” during the 2016 primaries.

  159. Wes says:

    PO doesn’t realize even if Trump loses next year Trump will still be President on 1-1-21.

  160. jason says:

    Speaking of dictators, Kamala Harris says if she is elected, she will not only decided what you eat, she will “get rid of the filibuster to pass the Green New Deal”.

    Since the President has nothing to do with the filibuster, one can assume she plans to rule without Congress or the Senate.

  161. jason says:

    Former ESPN Host Jemele Hill: Black Athletes Should Leave Mainstream Schools and Stop Making ‘White Folks Rich’

    Fine with me.

    Democrats have already shut down opportunities for black students by insisting they attend bad schools and denying those that actually want to excel the opportunity to attend charter schools.

    Too many young blacks see sports as the way the wealth. I am sure they will appreciate Democrats cutting off that avenue too.

  162. lisab says:

    One average kilogram of marijuana grown indoors is associated with 4600 kg of carbon dioxide emissions to the atmosphere, or that of 3 million average U.S. cars when aggregated across all national production.
    ———————————

    uh oh …

  163. jason says:

    The NFL today.

    Antonio Brown call coach a “cracker” but still gets to play.

    I won’t be watching very much.

  164. jason says:

    Calls coach a cracker.

  165. jason says:

    Evidently someone at Ace of Spades wrote this, I saw it on Redstate.

    I found it interesting, and identify with a lot of it.

    “It’s this that sent me to a place from which I’ll never return. I literally don’t care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they’ve already done.

    Donald Trump isn’t the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They’re the f-cking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.

    There aren’t any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they’ve left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.

    I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I’ll consider his election a win.

    Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I’ll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because f-ck these people.

    This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don’t care about their tantrums. I don’t care about their accusations. I don’t care if they say Trump is lying. I don’t care if Trump is lying.

    They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.

    What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don’t need to prove that I’m better than them. I already know it.”

  166. Hugh says:

    166. Wow I completely agree with Jason’s post.

  167. jason says:

    I don’t read Ace, basically the conservative sites I like are Instapundit, Hot Air and Powerline. And
    RCP which is not really conservative. I check out Redstate occasionally.

  168. Phil says:

    Used to like Hot Air, but Allahpundit is unreadable and has been for three years now. Like reading Something Robbie would write on a daily basis.

  169. NYCmike says:

    “I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.”

    -Rudy did it in NYC, now Trump is trying for the whole nation.

    Makes sense, as NYC is the CENTER.

  170. Bitterlaw says:

    I just watched 20/20. It was about the murder suicide on my street last year. The woman who killed her husband’s girlfriend was crazier than we though. You installed tracking devices on the husband and girlfriend’s cars, sewed listening devices in his clothes and hacked his phone so she could hear his calls and read his text messages.

  171. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    166. Thank you for posting the quote Jason; it is one of the best quotes ever posted on this board. It says it all; we may not like Trump, but he is a fighter — its like when someone is breaking into your home, you let the Doberman lose.

  172. lisab says:

    #171

    if your husband has a girlfriend don’t you just take half and leave?

  173. lisab says:

    Federal Reserve Predicts No Recession Anytime Soon

  174. lisab says:

    Biden’s bloody eyeball was NOT REPORTED by ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, The New York Times, or The Washington Post

  175. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    170. “Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.” General George Patten.

    As President Lincoln said General Grant: ” I can’t spare this man, he fights.”

    The fact is, in 2016 the Republican electorate were tired of the weak and fainted-hearted Republican leadership, that Obama was pushing around. They wanted a fighter; they go it in Trump, which is way he has about 90% support among Republicans

  176. Wes says:

    “[T]he weak and fainted-hearted Republican leadership, that Obama was pushing around” being the GOP House that had made Obama agree to sequestration and the GOP Senate that slow walked his judicial and regulatory appointees so as to limit as much as possible his impact on the judiciary and executive agencies.

    You and I clearly have a different definition of “ the weak and fainted-hearted Republican leadership, that Obama was pushing around,” SDC.

  177. Wes says:

    That same “weak and fainted-hearted Republican leadership, that Obama was pushing around” had beaten the know-nothing rabble rousers from pillar to post in 2014 and gone on to hand the Dems their worst second-midterm loss since 1918 and forced Obama to rely on a series of dubious executive orders—many overturned in the courts—to try to get his way for the final years of his presidency.

    Some people clearly weren’t paying attention in 2016.

  178. dblaikie says:

    CNN with their Climate 7 hour forum was a great gift. Just to remind you the DNC didn’t want these forum. The number of commercials from this are going to vast. Destroying our energy industry, telling us what to eat, and embracing forced family planning is not going to fly with the majority in this Country. And then throw in open borders and mandatory gun confiscation and you have a platform that is going to be terrible for those candidates who won by claiming that they will be moderate. Trump has a huge war chest of money and probably can’t wait to throw this stuff down the whole Democratic parties throat. Pass the popcorn.

  179. Tina says:

    Phil,

    The better site, imo, is the conservative treehouse. I go there since they cover many different topics. I only post here, however.

  180. Tina says:

    Just an add on to Jason’s post, trump uses the rule for radicals against the drats. An establishment r would have no stomach to fight back, nor use those rules against them.

    Look at how cnn ginned up muh Alabama, hurricane. Not only do the charts prove trump correct, cn an n original report proves him correct.

    Trump tweeted that out yesterday and there are now over 5.2 million views of that pinned tweet. Does cn and n even get a million viewers in a day now?

  181. Cash Cow TM says:

    More Than 700

    Confederate monuments and statues on public property in the United States. Most of them are in the South, and 32 of them have been dedicated or rededicated since 2000.

    GOVERNING.COM

  182. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter says:

    “I just watched 20/20. It was about the murder suicide on my street last year. The woman who killed her husband’s girlfriend…”

    Philly’s version of real life
    “DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES’.
    ######################################
    I really liked that TV show.
    And now Felicity Hoffman is headed to jail in real life..

  183. Tina says:

    Excerpt from an article by Conrad Black in today’s National Post

    “….as President Trump relentlessly assaults the post-Reagan bipartisan “OBushinton” elite that he and his followers believe (correctly) misgoverned the country for 20 years….”

    “OBushinton”

  184. Messy says:

    153. How delightfully antisemitic of you, my friend.

    I noticed that no one mentioned Trump has officially won Kansas and South Carolina. The race for the nomination has finally produced results.

  185. jason says:

    So much competition, and Messy still manages to be the stupidest poster here week after week.

  186. Messy says:

    “so “Forget Pelosi, she is controlled by the Zionist Israelis elites. You need to go direct to AOC, she may believe you and tweet the story out.”

    So tell me, jason, how is the above quote NOT antisemitic?…or were you talking about Trump’s saying that the hurricane was going to hit Alabama days after that model was defunct?

    …or maybe you think that Kansas and South Carolina really wen to Weld? Hmmmmmmmm?

  187. lisab says:

    ummmmmmmm … he was implying you are anti-semitic messy

  188. Tim says:

    Nationals begged for mercy.

    There was none. LOL

  189. Robbie says:

    I can only imagine the outrage Jason fraud, NYCmoron, and the rest would have if Obama had invited the Taliban to Camp David just days before the anniversary of 9/11. But because Dear Leader Trump did it, crickets.

    The US should never be in the business of signing a peace treaty with the Taliban no matter how much Dementia Don wants it. The only thing the US should do is accept the surrender of the Taliban.

    Donnie is flailing and it’s getting worse. There’s still ample time to find a credible replacement, but no doubt the fraud and phonies who yapped about conservative values and American exceptionalism will just grunt MAGA right until Trump gets crushed and brings the entire party down with him.

  190. lisab says:

    U.S. to launch peace talks with Taliban

    The Obama administration will start formal peace talks with the Taliban on Thursday in the Persian Gulf state of Qatar, the first direct political contact between them since early last year and the initial step in what the administration hopes will lead to a negotiated end to the protracted war in Afghanistan.

    Afghan government representatives are not expected to attend the meeting. But U.S. officials said the United States wants to eventually hand over the process to Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his appointed peace council.

    In a statement read live on television in Doha, the Qatari capital, a Taliban spokesman said that the militant group “never wants to pose harm to other countries from its soil” and that it was open to talking with other Afghans. Those pledges met U.S. conditions for opening a Taliban political office in Qatar.

    President Obama called the agreement “a very early step,” describing it as a parallel process to “the transition that is taking place militarily in Afghanistan” as the U.S.-led international coalition hands over security control to the Afghan military and prepares to withdraw all combat troops by the end of next year.

  191. Tina says:

    Notice how the Jebot forgot about the obumbler taliban peace talks. When obumbler did it, no comment. When trump does it, comment.

    Same sold, same old.

  192. Tina says:

    Hillary 2.0, Biden has coughing fit. Calls President Trump, President “Hump.”

    https://washex.am/2ZFtKsY

  193. lisab says:

    Notice how the Jebot forgot about the obumbler taliban peace talks.
    ————————–

    well … i bet bob bergdahl has not forgotten

    nor have the taliban 5

  194. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    191. Once again the troll has made a complete fool of himself.

    However, I do have to express reservations over what Trump may be doing regarding Afghanistan. To quote Gen. Mattis:

    “Mattis Warns Against Hasty Afghanistan Withdrawal, Avoids Criticizing Trump

    Citing the U.S. experience in Iraq, former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis cautioned Tuesday against a hasty withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, even as the sketchy outlines of a peace deal with the Taliban emerged.
    “We can want the war over; we can declare the war over,” Mattis said, but the threat of terrorism to the U.S. homeland emanating from Afghanistan will persist and “the enemy gets a vote.”

    * * * *

    Mattis had no comment on the current situation in Afghanistan or the peace negotiations, but returned to the example of Iraq and the perils of leaving a turbulent region with a diminished U.S. military presence.
    “The idea that we can now turn our back on this threat and somehow we’re going to live in an island in the global community unaffected by it just doesn’t match,” he said. “We’re going to have to learn from our past.”

  195. jason says:

    Federal judge allows for more discovery in the Clinton email case and tears State Dept lawyers a new a-hole.

    “STATE DEPARTMENT: … it is, of course, Judicial Watch’s burden to explain to Your Honor why there has been good cause to reopen discovery now that discovery has closed in this case.

    THE COURT: Well, I didn’t close discovery. So your premise is wrong.

    STATE DEPARTMENT: Fair enough, Your Honor. Whether you want to call it closed or not, it is still —

    THE COURT: I didn’t close it. I said I would have a status after they took this initial discovery, and that’s what I’m doing today. I didn’t close discovery.

    STATE DEPARTMENT: That’s right, Your Honor, but it is still Judicial Watch’s —

    THE COURT: So they don’t need any good cause —

    STATE DEPARTMENT: Whether —

    THE COURT: — Today the good cause continues from whether or not State was acting in good faith, and I’ll tell you everything they’ve discovered in this period raises serious questions about what the hell the State Department’s doing here.”

    Ouch…

  196. jason says:

    Biden claims he told Clinton she should stay out of the “Access Hollywood” tape controversy. It was good advice.

    I remember at the time commenting here that for Hillary to pretend to take any type of high road on Trump’s locker talk while married to actual serial sexual abuser Bill Clinton was one of the most surreal moments of the campaign.

    “I remember at the time saying, you know, the first question that’s going to be asked is they’re going to ask [Trump] about his comments about the Access Hollywood tape.

    “And I said, I really think what should be done is — that they’re going to turn to [Clinton] and say, ‘What’s your view?’ And I said I’d respectfully recommend she stand there and…say, ‘Everybody knows who Donald Trump is. Let me tell you what I am going to do for the country,’ and not get into the debate, because it just drags it down.”

  197. jason says:

    The Dems are for elevating political discourse, right?

    “Democrat voter calls Trump “mentally retarded” while speaking to Democrat presidential candidate Kamala Harris

    Harris, a social justice warrior, responds while laughing: “Well said. Well said”

  198. Bitterlaw says:

    I did not like Obama dealing with the Taliban. I do not like Trump dealing with the Taliban. I do not like it, Bitterlaw I am.

    Unfortunately, the real world sucks and sometimes you have to talk to the people you have been trying to kill for more than 17 years.

  199. Bitterlaw says:

    199 Good point. Reagan would never have been dragged into a fight for a week over a hurricane. He would have said, “Well, I was initially right about the path of the hurricane but the hurricane disagreed with me. Now we need to focus on aiding the victims of its devastation…”

  200. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Here is a just-released Washington Post/ABC Poll showing where the 2020 Democrat primary race stands at this time.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/warren-gains-harris-slips-room-movement-vast/story?id=65414558&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_hero_hed

  201. Messy says:

    So he was just being offensively wrong because he hates everything America is supposed to stand for? I thought that was Tina’s job.

  202. jason says:

    Sometimes I think Messy just plays being stupid and ignorant here as a lark, that nobody in real life could be that stupid and ignorant.

    But then I realize it’s just too real to be an act.

  203. jason says:

    here’s still ample time to find a credible replacement,”

    Brokered convention!

    And just the other day Amoral Scumbag was talking about “democracy”.

    Screw the 90% of Rs that support Trump, right? Let’s hand pick someone the 10% (or less) of Never Trump losers who still are living in the 2016 primaries and have yet to accept Trump won the election and anoint him/her the nominee.

    How “democratic”.

  204. jason says:

    For Amoral Scumbag’s information, I don’t oppose talking to the Taliban just like I don’t oppose the summits with Rocket Man.

    Do I trust either one of these parties? No.

    But I doubt Trump does either.

  205. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes:
    Here is the FINAL breakdown of the early voting in the NC CD-9 Special this Tuesday. the Dem. votes exceed the Republican ones by about 5,200. How do Independents normally break in your District? Any thoughts?

    “Yesterday’s early voting was a “make up day” in Bladen, Cumberland, Robeson, and Scotland due to EV closures related to Hurricane Dorian. As expected, the extra day benefited the Democrats (2/2) #nc09

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    (2016) 72-19% White/Black, 38-35% Dem/Rep, 232K voted
    (2018) 71-19% White/Black, 39-34% Dem/Rep, 159K voted
    (At 9/8/2019) 73-18% White/Black, 39-33% Dem/Rep, 81547 voted in total in early voting – yesterday’s EV was 56-21% Dem (1/2)

  206. Bitterlaw says:

    It’s football season! Yessssssssss!

  207. Messy says:

    204. jason has no idea what he’s talking about.

  208. Tina says:

    Utah Senate Republicans continue to embarrass themselves. Did Senator Lee ever oppose any of the Obumbler’s National Emergency declarations? Maybe Lee should fight for the congress overturning the National Emergency Act outright. I like Lee but he is terrible on the border. I despise Quittens because he is terrible period.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/senators-lee-and-romney-propose-legislation-to-prevent-president-trump-from-diverting-funds-to-border-wall-construction/

  209. Tina says:

    Note: I explained why Trump would prevail on the border declaration and why it was legally possible for him to divert resources to it

    I agree that congress punted some of its power with passage of that act.

  210. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
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    9h
    Options:

    – Keep fighting inconclusively
    – Win (if you are willing to do what it takes)
    – Negotiations
    – Defeat

    America does not seem willing to do one or two, nor four. That kind of leaves one option.

    I’m not saying I like it. I’d just like to hear another choice.

  211. Bitterlaw says:

    Lee and Romney represent Utah. Money slated for military bases in Utah is being diverted to construct the wall. They are doing what their constituents want.

    I respect Romney. I will never respect Trump but I am happy that he defeated Hillary in 2016 and hope he wins on 2020.

  212. Bitterlaw says:

    The greatest speech in American history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhIFNxEz1qc