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Warren Leads in NH, Biden Leads in SC/IA, Sanders Leads in NV

CBS News and YouGov released new early state primary polls this morning and in the four states tested, there are three different leaders depending on the state.

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Elizabeth Warren 27%
Joe Biden 26%
Bernie Sanders 25%
Pete Buttigieg 8%
Kamala Harris 7%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 29%
Bernie Sanders 26%
Elizabeth Warren 17%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Kamala Harris 6%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Tom Steyer 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – SOUTH CAROLINA – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 43%
Bernie Sanders 18%
Elizabeth Warren 14%
Kamala Harris 7%
Pete Buttigieg 4%
Cory Booker 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NEVADA – DEM CAUCUS (CBS/YouGov)
Bernie Sanders 29%
Joe Biden 27%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Kamala Harris 6%
Pete Buttigieg 4%
Beto O’Rourke 3%
Julian Castro 2%
Tom Steyer 2%
Evreyone Else 1% or less

These polls were done August 28-September among registered primary voters in each state. ABC News and The Washington Post have released their own national poll that shows the clear separation of Biden/Warren/sanders from everyone else nationally as well.

PRESIDENT – NATIONAL – DEM PRIMARY (ABC/WaPo)
Joe Biden 29%
Bernie Sanders 19%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Kamala Harris 7%
Pete Buttigieg 4%
Beto O’Rourke 3%
Andrew Yang 3%
Everyone Else 1% or less

This poll was done September 2-5 among registered Democratic primary voters. I fully expect we will see General Election numbers from this poll before not too long. Finally this morning, we have a new poll that came out late last week that shows sitting Democratic US Senator Ed Markey could have trouble winning his own primary in Massachusetts according to The Boston Globe and Suffolk University.

US SENATE – MASSACHUSETTS – DEM PRIMARY (BG/Suffolk)
Joe Kennedy III 35%
Ed Markey (inc) 26%
Steve Pemberton 1%
Shannon Liss-Riordan <1%
Allen Waters 0%

This poll was done September 3-5 among likely primary voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:18 am
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277 Responses to “Warren Leads in NH, Biden Leads in SC/IA, Sanders Leads in NV”

  1. Robbie says:

    Jonathan Lemire
    @JonLemire

    INDIAN WELLS, Calif. (AP) — President Donald Trump’s campaign manager predicted Saturday that the president and his family will become “a dynasty that will last for decades,” transforming the Republican Party while hewing to conservative values.

    – Jason fraud, NYCmoron, and the rest of the Trump sycophants will swoon at the thought of voting for Don Jr, Ivanka, and Jared in future presidential elections.

  2. jason says:

    Not good numbers for Biden.

    Actually good for my favorite nominee at the moment, Bernie.

  3. jason says:

    After saying “well said, well said” Kamala Harris doesn’t remember someone telling her Trump was a “retard”

    “Harris told CBS News’ Caitlin Huey-Burns in an exclusive interview that she did not register the offensive term used in the moment, saying she did not “hear or process or in any way condone” it.

    Of course, CBS believes her.

  4. jason says:

    son fraud, NYCmoron, and the rest of the Trump sycophants will swoon at the thought of voting for Don Jr, Ivanka, and Jared in future presidential elections.”

    Hmmm, I really like Ivanka Trump, I don’t know about President at this stage but I would certainly support her for political office if she decided to run.

    Thanks for asking.

  5. jason says:

    I think Bernie will win the IA caucus, he has the most committed supporters and the rest of the vote will be fragmented.

    NH is another story, Warren will be strong there, but if Bernie can pull it off Biden might be mortally wounded.

    One can always hope.

  6. jason says:

    I think Trump will win both contests against any of Amoral Scumbag’s fictional “credible alternatives”.

  7. jason says:

    transforming the Republican Party while hewing to conservative values.”

    Zzzzz…

    Trump didn’t transform the R party, but he certainly benefited from the transformation.

    Trump is a reflection of today’s Republican party, not the cause of it.

    We saw this when the Paulbots hijacked the Tea Party, they didn’t create it but they went along for the ride.

    That is why it is silly for Amoral Scumbag and other idiots to think getting rid of Trump will “save the Republican Party” or “bring it back to what it was”. That is not going to happen, that train left the station, and I left with it. The Republican Party is no longer a party that advocates for free trade, free enterprise, free markets, personal responsibility and limited government. It is not going back to that Trump or no Trump.

    That is why Trump should be viewed by conservatives as a convenient tool to support their agenda and we should take what we can get. And the biggest prize in re-electing Trump is possibly one or two more seats on SCOTUS switching to conservative.

    That alone is worth the Trump ticket.

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    The greatest speech in American history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhIFNxEz1qc

    The Gettysburg address was a close second but Lincoln did not dress like a Philadelphia mummer.

  9. janz says:

    Tina, I wouldn’t describe Ratcliffe’s comments as “slamming” R’s, specifically McConnell. It was more like discreetly divulging his surprise that leaders in his own party were less than supportive of his nomination by Trump.

  10. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz- Tina is a RINO hunter. No Republican can satisfy her. Anybody who criticizes a Republican gets her respect.

  11. lisab says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    September 8, 2019 at 8:46 am
    It’s football season! Yessssssssss!
    —————————–

    oh … i thought you were an eagle’s fan

  12. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If the CBS/YouGov polls are correct, then we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the Biden candidacy.

    Biden was clearly showing his age in his Colbert interview, even though he tried to explain his gaffes, he still came across as someone who was showing his age mentally. It was uncomfortable to watch — and Colbert’s body language reflected it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqCcrOPuGU

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Apparently, not playing the starters in any pre-season game was not a good way to get the Eagles Defensr readyvfor today’s game.

  14. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Senators Lee and Romney are raising an important constitutional issue. Congress, not the President, should decide the budget. If Sanders or Warren were elected president, and able to make budgetary decisions by executive order, it would devastate the country — it empowers socialism.

    “Congress has been ceding far too much power to the executive branch for decades and it is far past time for Congress to restore the proper balance of power between the three branches,” Sen. Lee said. “We should start that process by passing the ARTICLE ONE Act, which would correct the imbalances caused by the National Emergencies Act.”

    The ARTICLE ONE Act, introduced by Sen. Lee and cosponsored by Sen. Romney, would automatically end all future emergency declarations made pursuant to the NEA after 30 days unless Congress voted affirmatively to extend the emergency. Currently Congress can cancel an emergency declaration only by passing a resolution that can withstand a presidential veto.”

  15. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina to make up a derogatory name for SDC and call him a Jebot in 3…2…1…

  16. lisab says:

    if that act passed

    romney and lee would probably actively campaign against trump for the next year

    they really want to go back to a bush-like/obama-like administration

    they probably think they would love a business as usual biden presidency

    unfortunately, biden (and the dem party) are MUCH further left than either bush or obama was

  17. lisab says:

    MSNBC Calls Republican’s Belief in Only Two Genders ‘Incendiary’

  18. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    18. lisab, this is about the U.S. Constitution, which is what has kept the country going for about 230 years. It is vital that the president does not have budgetary control — already several Democratic candidates have stated what radical things they want to do through executive orders. Sen Lee is a strong conservative who believes in constitutional government –it was Obama who attempt to govern thorough executive order. If presidents can revise the budget by executive order, you are empowering a nightmare scenario if a socialist is elected. You need to see the forest through the trees.

  19. lisab says:

    no it is about stopping the wall among other things

  20. lisab says:

    the 1% like low wages for workers

    and they like perpetual drugs flowing into the inner cities

    and they like having a slave class to mow their lawns

  21. Tina says:

    Yes, Congress would need to first rescind the National emergencies act. The fact that lee had no problem with declarations by obumbler is a concern.

    Lee is open borders and Quittens is a Rino.

  22. lisab says:

    however if trump loses

    the senate will go dem

    and the dems will give amnesty and citizenship and welfare to illegals

    and the country will shift far left for several generations

  23. lisab says:

    The fact that lee had no problem with declarations by obumbler is a concern.
    —————————————–

    they want cheap labour

    when you are rich, you don’t care about schools or hospitals or crime

    you live in a gated community with security and your children go to school in private schools and you fly to the best private hospitals in the world for treatment

  24. Tina says:

    Yup, cheap labor.

    Even Trumpka from alo cio loves illegals.

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    Trumka also loves Trump’s tariffs and trade policy.

  26. lisab says:

    as a real estate mogul

    trump depends on lots of people being middle class to buy his properties and stay at his hotels

    he is not in a business that requires lots of cheap labour all the time. he is not in the low end side of the business which does

  27. dblaikie says:

    I have a challenge for Wormtongue aka, immoral scumbag: We know you hate Trump and anyone who votes for him. There is no ambiguity concerning that. Now then tell us who you are for? Trump, whether you like it or not, is going to be the Nominee. Don’t throw up Romney or anyone else, they are not going to run. Since you hate Trump which of the other candidates gets your vote? I would like to know.

    Or are you going to be coward and continue with this drivel that we already know: You believe Trump is terrible and those who support him are even worst.

  28. jason says:

    when you are rich, you don’t care about schools or hospitals or crime”

    Zzzzzzz……complete BS right out of the Dem’s class warfare script.

    Exactly the opposite. Rich people are the ones that give billions to improve hospitals, to fund research, to universities. They are the ones that fund most of the money for hospitals like the Shriner’s Hospital for Children, and many other institutions that provide services for those that can’t afford them.

    ttps://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/10-largest-donations-from-individuals-to-healthcare-organizations-in-2015.html

  29. jason says:

    Trumka also loves Trump’s tariffs and trade policy.”

    Actually its the other way around.

    Trump loves Trumka’s agenda, it’s been around a lot longer than Trump.

  30. jason says:

    Don’t listen to him, listen to Amoral Scumbag who is VERY excited about Sharpiegate.

    “Pleading with the [ABC This Week panel this morning] to stop the ‘Sharpiegate’ discussion, citing more important things to talk about, former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ripped the panel. ‘I think this is where the American people are. They think all of us are crazy. We should stop this,’ he demanded.”

  31. Tina says:

    Seems like the socialist son is bent that we are trying to end the Afghanistan War (no good solution here) . The Socialist Son wants to continue to arm “rebels”.

    Notice how the socialist son never mentions some Republican Senators meeting with Aq in Syria,

  32. Tina says:

    Aq in libya*

  33. jason says:

    I see the Phildelphia Renewable Resources beat the Washington Polar Cap Defenders.

  34. lisab says:

    yes, the rich give a little of their wealth to some very good hospitals … which guarantees their will always be a bed for one of theirs should the need ever arise

    but their are 350 million people in the country and few will ever be allowed i to those hospitals

  35. jason says:

    BS…actually the Shriner’s take in a lot of people who could not normally afford their care.

    So do a lot of other hospitals and institutions funded by wealthy people.

  36. lisab says:

    take in a lot of people
    —————

    not compared to 350 million

    but bezos’ children would never be turned away

  37. jason says:

    And speaking of education, millions have gotten a good education thanks to the generosity of wealthy people who have funded aid, scholarships and programs in thousands of universities.

  38. jason says:

    The wealthy have donated billions to healthcare, research, education, the arts, you name it. Many of the life saving drugs and procedures were the result of research funded by rich donors.

    Trashing the wealthy is stupid.

  39. lisab says:

    And speaking of education, millions have gotten a good education thanks to the generosity of wealthy people who have funded aid, scholarships and programs in thousands of universities.
    ——————————-

    especially to the ivy leagues … where they send their children

    not so much to bunker hill community college … where they would not send their dog

  40. lisab says:

    The wealthy have donated billions to healthcare, research, education, the arts, you name it.
    ——————

    all of which benefit themselves

    which is fine, it is their money

    but pretending that bezos or gates or buffet or even lowly romney would be hurt if 5-house sanders or $50-million warren wins is silly

    they have enough money to buy the best lawyers to protect themselves

    it is the middle class that will have worse medical care, education, roads, cars air travel etc. not them

  41. lisab says:

    shriners hospital

    hi … i’m bezos’s personal assistant, his son has a hang nail and …

    don’t worry … we will fly a doctor right out

  42. lisab says:

    the patriots have one of the best quarterbacks of all time …

    and run the ball three times in a row

  43. lisab says:

    four times in a row

  44. lisab says:

    five times in a row and an incomplete pass

    good job

    this is why i don’t watch football

  45. lisab says:

    Trump has another Republican challenger, Mark Sanford

  46. lisab says:

    Six illegal immigrants who ‘stabbed a Maryland man to death’ are identified by ICE as MS-13 gang members

  47. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    48. “Trump has another Republican challenger, Mark Sanford.”

    Anyone who can hike the Appalachian trail all the way to Argentina is special. Am sure the trolls will soon be swooning over him, since he is not Trump, and Walsh fizzled.

  48. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – 15 AFC teams begin making vacation plans for the week before the Super Bowl.

  49. jason says:

    Maybe Corey can switch his endorsement to Sanford.

    Sanford might be a french fry short of a Happy Meal, and this is obviously a PR stunt, but at least he is not a racist bigot like Walsh.

  50. jason says:

    The Cheatriots would have won 60-3 with Antonio Brown.

    With Gronkowski and Brown probably 90-3.

  51. jason says:

    Breaking News:

    16 NFC teams propose canceling the SB and awarding a participation trophy to all teams instead.

  52. jason says:

    Btw, has anyone heard or read anything about Walsh lately?

    Walsh, Sanford and Weld

    Sounds like a law firm instead of 3 stooges

  53. jason says:

    Six illegal immigrants who ‘stabbed a Maryland man to death’

    Maybe the victim was wearing a MAGA hat, in which case it will deemed justifiable homicide or self defense.

  54. jason says:

    Who knew?

    Waving away criticism over his tenuous grasp of the facts, Biden argued in a interview with NPR’s “Politics Podcast” that aired Tuesday that the “details are irrelevant in terms of decision-making.”

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    Where is the Wizard? The Redskins lost. The Ravens rolled to victory. He should be happy.

  56. jason says:

    “The Three Stooges, all badly failed candidates, will give it a go!”

    Hey, Donald, stop copying my posts, I already said that.

  57. jason says:

    Breaking news:

    Miami Dolphins say they didn’t show up for the game against the Ravens because of a schedule conflict.

  58. jason says:

    Breaking news:

    Redskins claim they weren’t told the game had 4 quarters, they were under the impression it was only 2 quarters.

  59. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes
    Here is the FINAL early vote data for tomorrow’s NC CD-9 race. The Democrat ballots exceed the Republican ones by about 5,200.
    I don’t know what to make of the information and since you are a district resident and a NC political scholar, you may have some thoughts.
    I did notice that turnout in Robeson County(majority AA) is more than 50% of the 2018 early totals whereas the other Counties languish between 15-20% of their 2018 early vote totals.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/One-Stop_Early_Voting/2019/Absentee_Stats_9thCD/Absentee_Stats_9thCD_09092019.pdf

  60. jason says:

    Glenn Reynolds:

    “I know some libertarians who love Amash, but it seems to me that his real constituency is the press.”

    Can we add some names to that?

    Mitt Romney
    Mark Sanford
    Joe Walsh

  61. jason says:

    Do you mean 15-20% MORE?

  62. jason says:

    If it’s MORE, and if these counties have more voters than the AA county, then maybe it’s not a problem.

  63. Messy says:

    this may put Styer into the Fourth debate.

    The official rules for impeachment have been published. the vote is on wednesday.

  64. jason says:

    Which will happen first, Trump’s impeachment or melting of the Greenland ice cap?

  65. jason says:

    The official rules for impeachment have been published.”

    LOL

  66. jason says:

    The Constitution was ratified on June 21, 1788.

  67. Messy says:

    68.here they are…https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-text-house-judiciary-resolution-outlining-impeachment-probe-n1051456

    67. Trump’s impeachment. conviction and removal is a different matter.

    69. So? I bet you think that hurricane hit Alabama last week.

  68. Messy says:

    68.Please inform us as to why that link I provided doesn’t exist, Jason.

  69. NYCmike says:

    More United States flags being carried in Hong Kong……if China decides to go Tienanmen Square on them, what should our response be?

  70. NYCmike says:

    Messy,

    You must really look good in a blue dress!

  71. NYCmike says:

    “Cheatriots”……it’s “cheating” to sign a-holes like Brown, drug addicts like Gordon, and let them be stars, while threatening to cut them the minute they try to make it about them instead of about the team…….if only the Jets could learn how to “cheat” like that……

  72. NYCmike says:

    https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/460339-democrats-make-renewed-push-for-election-security

    “Trump tweeted in August that “no debate on election security should go forward without first agreeing that Voter ID (Identification) must play a very strong part in any final agreement. Without Voter ID, it is all so meaningless!”

    None of the Democrat-backed election security bills feature voter ID language as a central element.”

    -“CG” and Robbie think Trump is the same, or even worse, than Democrats……..

  73. NYCmike says:

    Anyone from Cleveland out in HHR-Land?

    It was pretty enjoyable to watch Odell Beckham Jr have his golden touch on Baker Mayfield yesterday.

  74. Paul says:

    Trump’s failure to be an adult will lead us into a war before long. This IS a big deal.

  75. Big Joe says:

    Good to see some state polls. As we get closer to the start of actual voting, national polls become more of a lagging indicator.

    Big Joe

  76. NYCmike says:

    Monica’s blue dress = “you’re a repressed homosexual”??

    Heh – you learn something new every day.

  77. NYCmike says:

    “Trump’s failure to be an adult will lead us into a war before long. This IS a big deal.”

    -I guess Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, etc…..never had any wars……they were such adults…..

  78. NYCmike says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7441945/Six-MS-13-gang-members-illegal-immigrants-involved-deadly-Maryland-stabbing-ICE-says.html

    -More of those “angels” that “CG” wants our country to save!

    Still hasn’t put a number on how many we should admit……..

  79. Tina says:

    Let’s see, 3 stooges:

    Appalachian Trail to Bueno Aires for a booty call.

    Pedo Epstein clone.

    A Drat, a Rino, an Indy.

  80. Phil says:

    So Beto says he believes Americans would voluntarily comply with a mandatory assault weapons buyback law?

    Is this guy really that stupid or will he just say anything now because he is that desperate?

    I’d say he needs to go back to Texas but we don’t want him.

  81. Wes says:

    I’ll be glad when the special election here in NC-9 is over. Trump and Pence deployed today to help Bishop win.

    I heard an incendiary radio ad for McCready today featuring a woman claiming to be a Republican who execrated the GOP for “gerrymandering and voter fraud” while saying McCready “respects women.” The rest of the ad was a McCready puff piece highlighting his military service and business background. The second half, I felt, was strong, obviously being intended to help McCready achieve generic bipartisan appeal. I’m not sure if anyone other than rabidly partisan Dems cares about GOP gerrymandering, though given the high profile of the outcome of last year’s race, the voter fraud allegations may resonate.

    Interestingly Bishop is targeting black business owners in some of his ads. I’m not sure how effective that will be, but I’m glad to see Republicans are targeting a segment of the black community they may be able to achieve inroads with.

    Dems are slightly above their 2008 showing in early voting while the white vote is up as well while blacks are static relative to 2018. I’m going to revise my prediction from 51-46 Bishop to 51-48 Bishop. It’ll be close, but given his built-in advantages, I’m comfortable with saying Bishop holds the seat.

  82. NYCmike says:

    https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

    -I thought this was a Babylon Bee satirical post…..AlGore must have given a speech close by.

  83. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/video/aeis-christina-sommers-picks-apart-feminist-victimhood-on-real-time/

    -There are certain issues where Bill Maher tries to expand his audience……pretty smart of him.

  84. Tina says:

    BenTallmadge
    @BenKTallmadge
    · 1h
    Federal Court Rules Rand Paul Attacker’s 30-Day Sentence Too Lenient
    ??????
    The 6th Circuit Court overturned the 30 day prison sentence of Rene Boucher.
    Boucher could’ve received up to 10 years in prison for assaulting a congress member.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/federal-court-rules-rand-paul-attackers-30-day-sentence-too-lenient/…
    Show this thread

  85. Messy says:

    82/ you never mentioned anything about anyone named Monica You were just sexually harassing me.

  86. NYCmike says:

    QWERTY = “You were just sexually harassing me.”

  87. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “The San Diego-based owners and operators of the conservative One America News Network filed a $10 million defamation lawsuit Monday against MSNBC and political commentator Rachel Maddow for saying on air the network “really literally is paid Russian propaganda.”

    The lawsuit filed in San Diego federal court by Herring Networks Inc., owners of the One America News Network — or OAN — calls Maddow’s on-air statements “utterly and completely false” because OAN “is wholly financed by the Herrings, an American family” and “has never been paid or received a penny from Russia or the Russian government.””

  88. Big Joe says:

    Looks like Ossoff will challenge Sen. Perdue. He wasn’t very inspiring in ’17, will be interesting to see if he makes any adjustments. He’ll have to win the primary first and it’s surprising that he chose to challenge Perdue instead of run for the seat the Sen. Isakson will vacate.

    Big Joe

  89. Big Joe says:

    … seat *that* Sen. Isakson will vacate.

  90. lisab says:

    “You were just sexually harassing me.”
    —————————————–

    that is stupid even by messy’s standards

  91. lisab says:

    Schumer got thousands in donations from Jeffrey Epstein

  92. lisab says:

    Buttigieg: ‘Life Begins When A Person Registers As A Democrat’

  93. lisab says:

    Democrats Propose Mandatory Free Speech Buyback For “Dangerous Ideas”

  94. lisab says:

    ILLINOIS INCOME TAX HIKES FAILED TO FIX STATE FINANCES

    Illinois income tax hikes failed to fix state finances

    In a single year, Illinoisans witnessed their state’s net worth drop by a staggering 35%, or $47.4 billion, despite shouldering the largest permanent income tax hike in state history.

  95. lisab says:

    Illinois spent $4.6 million on health insurance for dead people, federal audit says

  96. lisab says:

    Illinois Governor’s solution to the state’s woes? Another income tax hike.

    Voters will decide whether to approve a progressive income tax amendment at the ballot box in November 2020. Assuming the introductory progressive income tax rates passed by the General Assembly never change, it would send an additional $3.4 billion to Springfield.

  97. jason says:

    Man to be executed in Texas for killing 2 people in cold blood, including a 61 year old woman he shot in the back of the head in her home for her TV, cell phone and credit cards.

    According to his lawyer however, he should not be executed because he “was ill-prepared for adult life”.

    “Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, combined with a chaotic and troubled childhood that included living with drugs and prostitution, left Soliz entering “adult life ill-prepared,” Kretzer wrote.”

    There you go…if you are not prepared for adult life, you have a license to kill.

  98. Bitterlaw says:

    I am sure that woman would have felt great sadness for the killer’s plight. Well, she would have felt it except for the bullet in her head.

  99. Phil says:

    Fortunately this is Texas and not California or NY. He made the mistake of executing two people in Texas. He will die. Good riddence.

  100. janz says:

    John Bolton handed in his resignation today, at the president’s request. I’m not happy to see him go.

  101. lisab says:

    bolton is a war hawk

    trump wants to draw down troops abroad

    the never trumpers will hate this, bolton was one of the top people they liked in the administration

    ironically, the dems who HATE bolton, will now attack trump for firing him

  102. Robbie says:

    John Bolton was fired because he opposed inviting the Taliban to Camp David. I guess that makes Bolton a cuck because everyone knows the Taliban are awesome and Trump’s plan to invite them to America a few days before 9/11 was strategic brilliance.

    Congrats to the HHR commenters on choosing the guy who wanted to invite the Taliban to America as opposed to the guy who hates them.

  103. Robbie says:

    Trump should be a legend and pick fish oil salesman Sebastian Gorka as the new national security advisor. After all, he’s a fake tough guy just like Trump and no one other than Sean Hannity would be as sycophantic towards Trump as Gorka would be.

  104. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    You have always liked Bolton?

  105. NYCmike says:

    “Illinois spent $4.6 million on health insurance for dead people, federal audit says”

    -Obviously, since the people are dead, the state should have spent more than they did.

  106. NYCmike says:

    “After all, he’s a fake tough guy just like Trump and no one other than Sean Hannity would be as sycophantic towards Trump as Gorka would be.”

    -I don’t like those “fake tough guy” people!

    I like real tough guys like Chris Cuomo.

  107. NYCmike says:

    “Congrats to the HHR commenters on choosing the guy who wanted to invite the Taliban to America as opposed to the guy who hates them.”

    -Was there an option to fire Trump and keep Bolton?

    Didn’t Bolton run in the 2016 primary? Robbie, did you support Bolton, or were you still banging for BUSH!2016?

  108. Robbie says:

    Joyce Karam
    @Joyce_Karam

    BREAKING: White House briefing

    • Bolton doesn’t show up
    • Pompeo defends Trump firing
    • Mnuchin announces sanctions on 15 leaders, entities include QF & Hezbollah, PIJ, others
    • Trump prepared to meet Rouhani with no preconditions

    – Remember back in 2008 when all of the super conservatives mocked Obama for his willingness to meet with Iran? I do.

    Now, it’s MAGAriffic to meet with the world’s worst dictators without any preconditons.

    Trump should have a state dinner where North Korea, Iran, the Taliban, and Russia are the special guests.

  109. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 10, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    Robbie,
    You have always liked Bolton?

    – No, but I’d rather support the guy who opposed inviting the Taliban to Camp David than supporting the guy who invited the Taliban to Camp David as you do.

  110. dblaikie says:

    I don’t know about others but I am exhausted with Wormtongue’s Trump derangement posts. Listen Worm, we already know how you feel about Trump. We know how you feel about anyone who has or will vote for him. For once tell us who you are for in 2020. And don’t give us a line of bull about another Republican. That is not going to happen. So put your unfettered hate aside and tell us which candidate you like. Come out Worm and tell us!

  111. NYCmike says:

    “– No, but I’d rather support the guy who opposed inviting the Taliban to Camp David than supporting the guy who invited the Taliban to Camp David as you do.”

    -Robbie,

    Considering we just found out about the meeting, which didn’t happen, I am not sure how you can say that I agree with Trump for arranging it.

    The timing was terrible, that is for sure.

  112. NYCmike says:

    “– Remember back in 2008 when all of the super conservatives mocked Obama for his willingness to meet with Iran? I do.”

    -The fact that you look at Obama and Trump in the same way shows your willingness to be an ignoramus.

    Maybe we should do what you want us to do……stay home in 2020, so that Trump loses, and a Democrat is elected.

    I am positive the Democrat will make a much better deal, with Iran, No Korea, and/or Putin . There are no precedents to say otherwise…..

  113. NYCmike says:

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28941840/plastic-army-women/

    -Thank God!

    Now, I won’t get in trouble for saying “Nice bazookas!”.

  114. VictrC says:

    I generally have liked Bolton for some time. I am absolutely and utterly opposed to Trump meeting with the Taliban before 9/11 Bad bad move that I don’t like and I am glad it didn’t happen.

    With that said, Bolton might be too hawkish for right now (never thought I would say that). I do not think its that bad an idea for him to move on, things are changing and I think the situation right now requires a bit more scalpel than a howitzer.

  115. Tom says:

    Any anecdotal information on NC-9?

  116. Robbie says:

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers

    #New Texas General Election Match-up:

    Sanders 48% (+6)
    Trump 42%

    Biden 47% (+4)
    Trump 43%

    Castro 44% (+3)
    Trump 41%

    Warren 44% (+2)
    Trump 42%

    Booker 43% (+2)
    Trump 41%

    Harris 45% (+1)
    Trump 44%

    @UnivisionNews
    /UH Pre-Debate Poll

    – While I don’t think for a minute Trump loses Texas, how many polls like this will we have to see before this forum finally realizes Trump is a lead weight around the neck of the party and he’s almost certainly going to lose?

  117. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    September 10, 2019 at 1:44 pm
    I don’t know about others but I am exhausted with Wormtongue’s Trump derangement posts.

    – I don’t know about you, but I am exhausted with this super Trump shill’s deranged posts about how awesome Trump is. That’s unless you think he was on the mark last Fall when he predicted Republicans would barely lose any House seats. Or that’s unless you think he’s placing his Christian values above politics when he continually excuses the deviant lifestyle, the multiple affairs, and the multiple wives of Trump.

  118. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 10, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    “– Remember back in 2008 when all of the super conservatives mocked Obama for his willingness to meet with Iran? I do.”
    -The fact that you look at Obama and Trump in the same way shows your willingness to be an ignoramus.

    – This may be one of NYCmoron’s dumbest comments ever and that’s saying something. God forbid I would hold presidents to a consistent standard. Of course, I forgot this is HHR where Trumpism now holds sway and standards went out the window the moment a NYC liberal conman fooled a bunch of primary voters who watch FoxNews from dusk till dawn.

    And God forbid I would point out the hypocrisy of supposed conservatives who chastised Obama for his willingness to meet with Iran in without any preconditions in 2008 and then praise and/or excuse the glorious dear leader Trump for his willingness to meet with Iran without any preconditions.

  119. CG says:

    Far more dangerous in theory for Trump to meet with Iran without preconditions than Obama.

    Obama would have been extremely misguided but Trump’s main rationale is just for whomever is meeting with him to like him. Trump has huge psyche issues going back to his childhood.

    Trump wanting to meet with the Taliban at Camp David for a 9/11 photo-op is sickening. I note that people here who excuse Trump for anything are eerily quiet on that.

  120. dblaikie says:

    Once again, Wormtongue ignores the simple question I asked him — who is he for since he hates Trump? It was simple question? No malice behind it. But what does he do, well in true Worm fashion he instead decides to launch a personal attack. Worm, Jason is right! You are an Amoral Scumbag.

  121. CG says:

    I’m calling NC 9 Tossup (D) for tonight.

    I might very well be wrong. Special elections are harder to predict and I am saying Tossup but that’s my hunch. I realize Wes lives in the district and may have more insight but I always predict every race (saying NC 3 is Likely R), and that’s what I have.

  122. CG says:

    131. Playing off your line of questioning-

    If you had to live in a Middle East country would you be a Sunn.i or a S.hiite Muslim?

  123. NYCmike says:

    “God forbid I would hold presidents to a consistent standard.”

    -The fact that you say this, AFTER Obama pushed through the Iran Deal which Trump then rescinded, shows you to be a certifiable loon.

  124. CG says:

    Are you saying Robbie supported the Iran Deal? Are you sure?

  125. NYCmike says:

    “Trump has huge psyche issues going back to his childhood.”

    -Is “CG” HHR’s Lucy?

    The Doctor is In. Only $.05

  126. NYCmike says:

    “Are you saying Robbie supported the Iran Deal? Are you sure?”

    -If this is directed at me:

    NO, I am not saying that at all.

  127. CG says:

    Then your post was incoherent.

    Wouldn’t be the first time.

  128. NYCmike says:

    No, your reading comprehension is terrible, as usual.

    I spoke about Robbie’s standard for judging a President. I mentioned nothing about Robbie supporting the Iran Deal.

    My comment though, especially if Robbie did not support the Iran Deal, that makes it even worse that he will judge Obama and Trump with the same standard.

    Obama pushed through a terrible deal, while Trump rescinded it, which shows us that Trump would be a much better person to set up a meeting which most would consider a bad idea.

    Hindsight is 20/20, yet Robbie refuses to acknowledge the good moves which Trump made……similar to you.

  129. CG says:

    No, that does not flow.

    For one thing, there are plenty of people who opposed the deal, who after the deal, had differing views if withdrawing from it made sense or would simply do more damage at that point. There was much written and said about that.

    Now, one has to be consistent and say that Trump was right to oppose the deal in the first place, but that does not mean there is uniformity in the belief that withdrawing from it made sense *after* the fact.

    Nonetheless, opposing the deal, supporting withdrawing from it, and opposing the way Trump wants to conduct diplomacy with them is certainly a viable position to have. One has to actually be able to have complex thoughts though.

  130. CG says:

    Certainly if Obama wanted to meet with the Taliban, especially anywhere on American soil, and especially timed specifically to coincide with the anniversary of the 9/11 attack, there would be have been mass outrage.

    For Trump to have had that attention, there’s just a lot of silence and embarrassed looks.

    That’s inconsistency.

  131. jason says:

    I have no problem with Trump meeting with the Taliban at all. No

    That is because I doubt Trump would make a bad deal for the US, just like I doubt he would make a bad deal with North Korea. Trump likes to negotiate from a position of strength, whether he has actually holds the best cards or not.

    Obama, on the other hand, you could bet that any deal he made was going to bad for the US. Obama always negotiated from a position of weakness, whether he was in a strong position or not.

    So yeah, I trust Trump a lot more than I trusted Obama at a negotiating table where the interests of the US were at stake. Obama was always apologizing and groveling.

    I might not agree with Trump on every negotiating stance, but I doubt he would get snookered by the Taliban like Obama (voluntarily, I understand) got taken to the cleaners by the Iranians (and everyone else).

  132. CG says:

    You wouldn’t have a problem if Trump demanded you become a vegan.

  133. jason says:

    Let me dispel the notion that I am embarrassed or silenced by Trump meeting with the Taliban.

  134. CG says:

    How anyone can defend any progress with North Korea at this point is astonishing. Everything we know about what has happened so far with North Korea is massively embarrassing to Trump.

  135. jason says:

    None whatsoever.

    But I would not become a vegan.

  136. NYCmike says:

    “One has to actually be able to have complex thoughts though.”

    -You just said a lot of nothing.

    Trump rescinded whatever he could of what was a horrible deal.

    One more reason why JEB2016! was seen as weak and not the right person for the job! Even Scott Walker had better political instincts than he did.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-new-hampshire-repeal-iran-deal-day-one-120301

  137. jason says:

    How anyone can defend any progress with North Korea at this point is astonishing. Everything we know about what has happened so far with North Korea is massively embarrassing to Trump.”

    Wow, that is TDS at its best.

    Anyone who doesn’t think we have made progress with N Korea is a flaming moron.

  138. CG says:

    The Taliban is an NGO. They are a terrorist organization. Why should we put emphasis on meeting with them above the legitimate Afghan government?

    If bin Laden were still alive, would it thus be appropriate to invite him to Camp David for a summit?

    Even if one thinks that there is no choice but for America to negotiate with them, does the President…. any President… have to be involved?

    Why Camp David? Why designed specifically to coincide with the 9/11 anniversary? What messages do those things send?

  139. jason says:

    “Trump has huge psyche issues going back to his childhood.”

    LOL

    I would make a bet he is better adjusted than either Amoral Scumbag or Corey.

  140. CG says:

    Does terminating the Iran deal help or hurt Iran more?

    There are points to be made for both sides.

    The damage was already done. I know you incoherently blame Bob Corker for it, when he was the one who did the most to try to fight it.

  141. NYCmike says:

    “How anyone can defend any progress with North Korea at this point is astonishing. Everything we know about what has happened so far with North Korea is massively embarrassing to Trump.”

    -The situation is the same as the last 60+ years, except that tensions seems to have been lowered.

    Why are you judging Trump with a harsher critique than you used for each President before him? You don’t even allow him a full term in office.

  142. CG says:

    No President before Trump proceeded to kiss NK ass like Trump has. Talking about “being in love” talking about how their communist system will massively benefit their people, etc. etc.

    For what? They are still testing missles. They are still torturing their people.

    They billed the U.S. for releasing Otto Warmbier and Trump actually paid bill.

  143. NYCmike says:

    Tennessee now has a Senator Blackburn.

    Corker is a footnote in history, no need to revisit that argument.

    I disagree with those who think he was a “hero”.

  144. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Political/ Morning Consult Poll
    Biden 33%
    Sanders 21%
    Warren 16%
    Harris 7%
    Buttigieg 5%
    Yang 3%
    Booker 3%
    O’Rouke 3%
    Gabbard, Klobucher, Castrol, de Blaso, Steyer all 1%

    In the New Hampshire Emerson poll, Warren is the only Democratic candidate who trails Trump.

  145. CG says:

    Corker and Blackburn had the exact same position on Iran.

    You took no issue with the name of “Mullah” being given to Corker.

  146. jason says:

    The Taliban is an NGO. They are a terrorist organization. ”

    Zzzzzz….

    So are the Iranian mullahs.

    Obama kissed Fidel Castro’s ass for years, a guy who killed thousands. He went to Cuba to kiss Fidel’s ass.

    We don’t know what the US position would be in the negotiation with the Taliban.

    If Trump gave away the store I would be the first to criticize him.

    But the rest is TDS horsecrap.

  147. CG says:

    I believe the Mullahs actually control the Iran government, unlike the situation with the Taliban, but it doesn’t mean we should be negotiating without condition with them either.

  148. CG says:

    Obama was wrong to go to Cuba. He would have been even more wrong if he brought Fidel to Camp David.

    The Taliban is even worse than Fidel in terms of damage done to America.

  149. jason says:

    Corker WAS the hero of the Iran deal.

    Because of him, we actually know the details of Obama’s duplicity and submission, and how bad this “deal” really was.

  150. NYCmike says:

    Corker is gone.

    Good riddance.

  151. CG says:

    Agree or disagree with this statement? Stop dodging the issue-

    “Camp David is where America’s leaders met to plan our response after al Qaeda, supported by the Taliban, killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. No member of the Taliban should set foot there. Ever.”

    Agree or disagree?

  152. NYCmike says:

    “hero” = another word re-defined at HHR.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Former President Carter was sent by President Clinton to North Korea in 1994. The outcome is looked at as a total fiasco.

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160858

  154. jason says:

    Again, there is a huge difference.

    I would trust Trump to do the right thing on Cuba.

    In fact, he did already by tightening the sanctions Obama loosened.

    The reason I would oppose Obama bringing Fidel to Camp David is because it would be for the purpose of giving Fidel a PR coup

    I wouldn’t feel that way about Trump.

    So there is no inconsistency. It has to do with the content. In Obama’s eyes, American was always wrong, so I never trusted him with anything. Trump believes, like I do, in American exceptionalism.

  155. CG says:

    Sending an irrelevant former President= mini fiasco

    The current President going amid an even crazier regime who has done far worse to disrupt the international order= bigger fiasco

  156. CG says:

    But bringing the Taliban to Camp David is ok?

    Why are you skipping over that aspect?

    One can say (in theory) that we should have negotiations with the Taliban and still vehemently disagree with bringing them to Camp David.

    It’s not like they have their own airplanes. This would have been quite a PR coup for the Taliban simply because Donald Trump wanted to pose for a picture of him and them smiling together on 9/11/19 and claim that he ended a war.

    Would he really have though?

  157. NYCmike says:

    #165 – “CG” is unable to grasp this very simple concept, as he is too busy with “complex thoughts”.

  158. CG says:

    Again, is this a fair statement or a bad statement? It was recently said by an influential Republican in the U.S. government.

    “Camp David is where America’s leaders met to plan our response after al Qaeda, supported by the Taliban, killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. No member of the Taliban should set foot there. Ever.”

  159. jason says:

    “Camp David is where America’s leaders met to plan our response after al Qaeda, supported by the Taliban, killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. No member of the Taliban should set foot there. Ever.”

    Agree or disagree?”

    Disagree.

    I don’t give a flying f–k where the “response was planned”.

    Camp David has no special significance, it is not a shrine. I certainly would view it in bad taste if the meeting was held at the WTC.

    Many dictators have been guests at Camp David. That is where these type of meetings are held.

  160. CG says:

    Comparing U.S.-Cuba policy (and I very much opposed what Obama did) to the matter of the Taliban which harbors terrorists who want to kill American civilians and directly kills American servicemembers to this day is not even remotely in the same ballpark.

  161. NYCmike says:

    It will be fun to see the media laud Cheney for that statement……..

  162. CG says:

    Which dictators have been guests at Camp David.

    Why does the Taliban even get accorded the same level of “respect” when there is an actual Afghanistan government that many Americans paid their lives for so that the Afghans could have one?

  163. jason says:

    So now we have dispelled the BS that I am silent and embarrassed about negotiations with the Taliban.

    Now we have dispelled the BS that there is some special significance to the meeting being held at Camp David and “close to 9/11”.

    I doubt there was any conscious effort to arrange the meeting “close to 9/11”. It was probably a convenient date for the parties.

  164. CG says:

    Why not Ground Zero then if Camp David is ok?

  165. NYCmike says:

    I’d rather see Trump drop several more of those MOAB’s instead of meeting these pigs.

    I would also like to know when Camp David became, as jason alluded to, some holy place.

  166. CG says:

    Trump wanted to announce the “end of the war” on the anniversary of 9/11.

    He has been saying for 2 years now that we have been there “more than 19 years” when in fact it will be 18 years this October. Small details though for a guy who can’t tell the difference between Alabama and the Bahamas.

    He called it off after they killed the 16th American this year, I believe. Well, it’s a good thing he did that, but I guess the previous 15 were disposable.

  167. CG says:

    So, the entire defense is that if Obama did it it would be wrong because you don’t like Obama but if Trump does it it’s right because you like Trump.

    Classic definition of being in a cult.

  168. jason says:

    Which dictators have been guests at Camp David.”

    LOL

    Is that a serious question?

    “March 4 Freedom, an advocacy group for human rights and democracy in Ethiopia, said a huge rally against Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi is planned during his visit to the G-8 summit in Camp David. The organizers said, the rally will be held on Saturday, May 19 at 9:00 AM.

    The group said, the rally is “to further expose the atrocities committed by Mr. Zenawi‘s government on the people of Ethiopia”. It said, Meles Zenawi is among the top ten worst dictators in the world and shouldn’t be invited to attend a G-8 summit. Mr Zenawi continues to be among the top jailers of journalists and the most repressive dictators in the whole of Africa. His regime continues to unleash untold atrocity on diverse communities throughout Ethiopia in regions such as Amhara, Afar, Gambella, Ogaden, Oromiya and Southern Ethiopia, the group said in a press statement.”

  169. CG says:

    How would the Taliban have gotten to Camp David?

    Do they own their own jets?

    Or would the U.S. military, whom they actively celebrate killing, had to fly them there and then taken care of their hospitality at Camp David?

    If Obama even suggested doing this, people here would have wanted to throw him in prison.

    With Trump, it’s either blind support or silent shrugs.

    Even if one thinks we have no choice but to sit down with them, why would the President be involved and why in America? The Administration concedes that nothing had even been agreed to yet.

    Trump just wanted to take photos of himself smiling with them because he thinks he will get a Nobel Peace Prize.

  170. jason says:

    Didn’t Carter invite Yasser Arafat, a terrorist, to Camp David? Wasn’t Sadat a dictator?

    Nikita Khrushchev?

    Wasn’t he a dictator?

  171. CG says:

    One guy from Ethiopia nobody has ever heard of as part of an established international summit meeting?

    Nice research.

    Again, Afghanistan has a government. The Taliban are not the Afghan government. No President should be meeting with them, ever.

    If they want to be flown to an American property, bring them to Gitmo. It is far more appropriate for America to imprison or kill them than to treat them as equals.

  172. jason says:

    Corey has no idea what the meeting with the Taliban would have covered, but he already knows it was only a photo opportunity.

  173. CG says:

    Those people all had official government roles, the Taliban does not, and it was certainly wrong in retrospect for Bill Clinton to bring Yassir Arafat there.

  174. Tina says:

    Bolton fired. It was a dumb selection since Bolton should have been fired by mute 43.

    Wrong Wray is a bad pick too. He is next.

  175. jason says:

    Which dictators have been guests at Camp David.”

    So the goalposts are moving?

    Terrorists and dictators are ok, except that they have to be a country.

    Well, you are still wrong, Arafat did not represent a “country” anymore than the Taliban do.

    Keep moving them goalposts.

  176. CG says:

    That’s part of the main point…
    NOBODY had any idea what a meeting with the Taliban would have covered and that is precisely why it is asinine to suggest that any POTUS meet with them, on American soil nonetheless.

    Let the Afghans negotiate a settlement with them and then we can work it out with the official Afghan government, but anybody who believes the Taliban is suddenly going to renounce terrorism or stop wanting to kill Americans is crazy.

  177. CG says:

    None of the names mentioned of those who were brought to Camp David had ever killed Americans.

    The Taliban was complicit in the deaths of thousands of Americans.

  178. CG says:

    Had this been a discussion at one of the Democrat debates about how the candidates would be willing, even theoretically, to bring the Taliban to Camp David to “negotiate” an end to the war in Afghanistan, people here would have been livid at them and viewed it as full demonstration why Democrats can never be trusted to protect America.

    The people here who support Trump was very much surprised to hear Trump wanted to do this, but cultish devotion is such that it even has to be applauded now or ignored.

  179. jason says:

    Corey, just be honest and admit your opposition to the negotiations with the Taliban has nothing to do with Camp David, it has to do with TDS.

    Trump could bring peace to the ME and Afghanistan, make N Korea capitalist, and cure cancer and you would never give him credit for any of it.

    Your all consuming hate and small mindness trumps any rational thought.

  180. Phil says:

    Was there a meeting at Camp David?

    Must have missed it.

  181. CG says:

    Get back to me when Trump actually does any of that.

    Until then, I will continue to live in the real world, where Donald J. Trump disgraces America on a daily basis.

  182. Tina says:

    The meeting happened just like the Jebit believes trump Russian collusion happened.

    All because a drunk and medicated beotch lost. Tin

  183. Phil says:

    Corey, you do that.

  184. jason says:

    Had this been a discussion at one of the Democrat debates about how the candidates would be willing, even theoretically, to bring the Taliban to Camp David to “negotiate” an end to the war in Afghanistan, people here would have been livid at them and viewed it as full demonstration why Democrats can never be trusted to protect America.”

    I certainly would not trust any of them with any negotiations with N Korea, the Palestinians, or the Taliban.

    That is because they view America as the problem, not the solution.

    I don’t see Trump doing that.

    I would say the same about GWB and Iraq. I trusted GWB to do the right thing in Iraq, I certainly would not have trusted Al Gore.

  185. NYCmike says:

    #190 – that is it in a nutshell.

    Just wondering – did Putin ever visit Camp David?

    How about Musharraf?

  186. Robbie says:

    David Chalian
    @DavidChalian

    BREAKING – New CNN national poll:
    Trump job approval:
    Approve 39%
    Disapprove 55%

    – The bottom hasn’t fallen out yet, but he’s resting on it and may be close to breaking.

  187. Tina says:

    I wonder if condominium rice is happy that Bolton was axed. He cannot lobby now for 5 hearts.

    Faux news to hire him.

  188. CG says:

    You can’t criticize Trump… he MIGHT cure cancer!!

    How exactly is he going to do that?

    I will judge him on what he is doing. As it relates to foreign policy specifically, he is horrific. John Bolton would agree with me and be correct. It’s too bad Bolton thought he could change Trump. He should have known better.

  189. jason says:

    Get back to me when Trump actually does any of that.”

    Why, exactly?

    You would still be rooting for a socialist to win the Presidency.

  190. Phil says:

    Hell, Tina, they kept a non event Russiagate going three years. Let’s see how long they can keep a meeting that never happened going.

  191. CG says:

    Trump who blamed American foreign policy for the 9/11 attacks in the first place (and suggested complicity on behalf of the U.S. government) and who defends murderous regimes by saying “we do a lot of killing too” is not somebody who views America as the “solution.”

    He views himself and himself alone as the “solution.”

  192. jason says:

    The bottom hasn’t fallen out yet, but he’s resting on it and may be close to breaking.”

    I wonder how many times Amoral Scumbag has said this in the last 3 years.

    Hope springs eternal.

  193. Tina says:

    Exactly Phil

    Probably impeachment now for Bolton.

    Oh wait a minute the ny fat pad is holding a hearing.

    Smart for all rs to ignore any congressional subpoenas Served her thighness well

  194. jason says:

    The meeting never happened.

    But Corey would have been against it had it happened because he already knows what would have been covered and what the results would be.

    I wish he know who will win the 6th race at Penn National.

  195. NYCmike says:

    “I will judge him on what he is doing. As it relates to foreign policy specifically, he is horrific.”

    -“CG”,

    Please be specific.

    What foreign policy spot has he made worse for the United States?

    How long has that spot been an issue for the United States?

  196. Tina says:

    Flynn’s heading was today. Maybe van der glack will finally turn over the original 302. Oh wait a minute I am sure it does
    Not exist.

  197. Proud Obamacon says:

    WoW! 60% say Orange does not deserve to be reelected. 71% say they don’t believe what’s coming out of the white house. Wow! Absolutely devastating for yall!

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAHHHHHHH

  198. jason says:

    Anyone remember Corey complaining?

    No, me neither.

    “In 2015, Camp David was again host to some controversial Mideast visitors, when Obama invited leaders from the six Gulf Cooperation Council countries to discuss improving security cooperation at a time when some of the Sunni states were leery of the administration’s engagement with Iran.

    The emirs and crown princes who attended the summit represented some of the region’s most repressive regimes, including Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Qatar.”

  199. Tina says:

    There are no good options in krapistan. All bad or worse.

  200. CG says:

    I complained about Obama on a daily basis too. Two weeks ago, jason went out of his way to defend Obama.

    The difference is that Taliban is not the same thing as the Afghan government.

    If a Democrat Mayor of a city wanted to bring street gangs into City Hall and treat them as equals, in the hopes of lessening violence, they would be criticized. This is no different.

    The Taliban are sworn enemies of America and should be treated as such.

  201. Phil says:

    Let me get this straight. The meeting never happened but if had happened it would have been a disaster.

    Trump disgraced America with a meeting that never took place. The guy is so bad he should be impeached for a collusion that never happened and a meeting that never took place. Seems perfectly logical.

  202. CG says:

    It never happened but he wanted it to happen. What is in dispute? He said yesterday he stands by it having been a good idea.

  203. Proud Obamacon says:

    “it’s surprising that he chose to challenge Perdue instead of run for the seat the Sen. Isakson will vacate.”

    Big Joe, it’s not surprising at all. Stacy will run for the open seat. Stacy is right, GA will be HUGE in 2020!

    #TURN.GEORGIA.BLUE!

  204. Tina says:

    I never complained about Hilary.

    Jebot

  205. NYCmike says:

    Here is the thing: If the Democrat wins next November, we go back to Obama-type way of doing things.

    Either “CG” and Robbie, true conservative Republicans”, thought those ways were better than Trump’s attempts at governance, or they will try to help Trump, the Republican nominee, get re-elected.

  206. Tina says:

    I believe collusion happened.

    Jebot

  207. Proud Obamacon says:

    I thought we don’t negotiate with terrorists? Now we want to bring them to the WH and yall perfectly ok with that. Damn yall.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  208. Phil says:

    Well, we have a real relay race going here. Corey passes the baton to Robbie who passes it to PO……so who is going to run anchor. I say Messy should do it.

  209. Tina says:

    In reality a wall is being built. No more cheap bush fencing.

    2 years for bush to build sheot

    https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/border-wall-construction-quickens-work-beginning-on-private-land/

  210. CG says:

    I don’t like how the Presidency was conducted under Obama, not at all.

    However, at this point, if that question were put to the American people.. do you want things as they are with Trump or would you prefer to go back to the Obama days, it would be pretty obvious which option would win out. It’s not me you need to worry about.

    Trump apologists need to worry that they are doing just fine of losing all on their own.

    And by the same token, Democrat pollyannas need to worry if too many Americans are going to view them as being too far to the left of Obama.

  211. jason says:

    You won’t see Amoral Scumbag or the Stalinist Turd post this.

    NYT/Pew

    Sept 2018 Favorable Unfavorable
    Democrats 53% 42%
    Republicans 43% 52%

    Sept 2019
    Democrats 45% 52%
    Reppublicans 45% 52%

    More socialism please!

  212. Tina says:

    Way for the wh to dismantle cnn scheotto cia asset story.

    Scheotto and the commie are sad.

  213. Tina says:

    There are also 3 polls showing approval in the mid to upper 40s. I did not read this here either.

  214. Tina says:

    Piglosi and the squad have that effect on the public. More squad please.

  215. Proud Obamacon says:

    “In reality a wall is being built.”

    In reality, who’s paying for it? Is it Mexico bychance? LOL yall pathetic

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  216. Phil says:

    What are you talking about, Tina? The squad is mainstream. They said so on CNN.

  217. Proud Obamacon says:

    “There are also 3 polls showing approval in the mid to upper 40s”

    LOL .. latest polls have approvals at 38% and 39%. More ORANGE please! pleeeeeeeeeze!

  218. Tina says:

    More squad please

    They need to recycle porn lawyah and camera hog who would make hitler proud.

  219. NYCmike says:

    “However, at this point, if that question were put to the American people.. do you want things as they are with Trump or would you prefer to go back to the Obama days, it would be pretty obvious which option would win out. It’s not me you need to worry about.”

    -The funny thing about elections in the United States……..eventually, we get 2 nominees that will either win or lose……one will be Trump, and the other will be someone like Obama, possibly even worse.

    The American people will get to choose.

    Some, like you and Robbie, will stay home.

  220. NYCmike says:

    I’ll choose Trump, as most of his policies will be closer to those Republican Presidents we have elected in the past 50 years than the ones the Democratic nominee will push.

  221. CG says:

    I won’t stay home. I will vote for the best option, even if I have to create one myself. We all know my one vote is irrelevant. I will vote in other races too.

    If you had to go live in a Middle East country, have you decided if you would be Shia or Sunni?

    Seems to me like you would have to pick one, right?

  222. Victrc says:

    Wow. What happened here today. talk about coordinated drive bye’s.

    Anyway, Wes, any update on NC

  223. Tina says:

    The department of unjustice just admitted that they don’t have the original 302 filed by agent pientka.

    Flynn will win a reversal.

  224. NYCmike says:

    “If you had to go live in a Middle East country, have you decided if you would be Shia or Sunni?”

    -Was that question for me? Sorry, I didn’t realize that.

    I would be King. (must be my white privilege!)

  225. CG says:

    Coordinated how?

    Do you all coordinate your Trump apologism with each other?

    Back as recently as October 2016, approximately 90% of the posters on HHR “hated” DJT. Some of us either a) have not left, or b) have not changed our views. You also might want to consider who owns this site and how he views Trump.

    Again, if people want a Trumpist echo-chamber, it would be easy to find one online.

  226. CG says:

    So, neither Muslim option would be acceptable for you. I get that.

  227. NYCmike says:

    “Back as recently as October 2016, approximately 90% of the posters on HHR “hated” DJT.”

    -But realized that he was the lesser evil.

    Three years later, only your blind hatred keeps you from seeing that.

    I’ll pray to G-D for you.

    I hope that is “acceptable”.

  228. Proud Obamacon says:

    “any update on NC”

    You mean the seat that the ReTHUGs tried to steal? Election fraud? I’m sure Kris Kobach is working hard on this! LOL

    The update is that a heavy R seat is going to come down to the wire. Another big swing toward the good guys. We might win, we might lose, don’t really care. The fact that its even close should have yall wetting yo shorts LOL

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  229. CG says:

    I think Trump is the worser of the evils. You just have to accept the fact that not everyone will agree with you. It is sad that you seem unwilling to accept that. I assume everyone in your life that you do or will ever care about shares your views on Trump.

  230. lisab says:

    ummmmmmmmm … you are the one who spends endless amounts of time trying to change their minds about trump

  231. Tina says:

    Huge.

    They’ve “identified material differences between the agents’ notes from their interviews of Mr. Flynn on the 24th and the 302 they produced.”

  232. Tina says:

    How did cn and n and it’s secret wh sources miss Bolton being axed!

  233. CG says:

    Goodness, even Rush Limbaugh is saying that having the Taliban to Camp David would have been a terrible idea. Even Rush Limbaugh.

    When people are willing to put their better judgment aside to go even further than Rush Limbaugh himself in defense of Donald Trump, that’s really saying something.

  234. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ppl on this site are so far up the Orange butthole, there’s no coming back. There’s no redemption. Yall shown your true colors.. live with it.

  235. CG says:

    If Trump loses, they will whine and claim illegal alien voter fraud for about two weeks ,then they will gradually come to their senses and admit publicly that they are glad to be done with Trump. Many will claim that they never liked him in the first place.

    jason will specifically state, “nobody was more anti-Trump during his four years in office than me. Nobody.”

  236. Hugh says:

    CNN poll. Yawn. Not an honest bone in that organization. Have said that I have no doubt trump is upside down as he was in the last election where he got stomped by Hillary

  237. CG says:

    Per the transcript, Limbaugh is also suggesting Republicans are probably going to lose NC-9, blaming early voting, and to be prepared for that and it won’t be the end of the world, etc..

    I think that is a sign that Republican higher-ups are expecting a loss.

  238. NYCmike says:

    #241 – Finally, we get the truth.

    You think Trump, after 3 years of governance, is worse than Obama, or what we will get with Warren, Biden, Kamala, etc.

    You prefer Obama-type policies regarding Iran, Israel, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba.

    You prefer economic policies of a more restrictive nature, where the power of the state has more power than the individual consumer.

    Of course, you will claim “I won’t vote for the Democrat”……but you prefer their policies to the ones put in place by Trump.

  239. NYCmike says:

    #241 – And, I do accept that many will not agree with me.

    They like Obama-type policies better.

    As long as they are truthful about it.

  240. NYCmike says:

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/09/10/breaking-fbi-arrests-top-fema-administrator-two-others-hurricane-maria-relief-fraud/

    Democrats: “What corruption in Puerto Rico?”

    “CG”: “I think Trump is the worser of the evils.”

  241. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/nurse-i-witnessed-the-infanticide-ralph-northam-defended/

    Democrats: “I got no problem with this.”

    “CG”: “I think Trump is the worser of the evils.”

  242. CG says:

    I’ve never wavered one bit from saying Trump was the worst of all evils. Said it all through 2016 and will say it all through 2020. It is beyond “issues” though I disagree with Trump on a large amount of issues. It is about totality.

    Trump is the worst. Full stop. Bad policies can be defeated and overcome. Political waves always come and go. Our nation becoming more and more the way Donald Trump is morally cannot. Our institutions and our values matter more to me than any one policy.

    Yes, I am still not able to vote for a Democrat to be President in spite of that. They give me crap too and say I am throwing my vote away. They have a slightly better point than you do, but only slightly. I don’t owe my vote to anyone.

    If the Democrats win, I will continue to oppose them when they are wrong, being very thankful still that DJT was rightfully thrown out of office. If Trump wins, I will continue to oppose him. I will hope for the best for America and the world in any circumstance.

    You just sound ridiculous when you try to claim that by opposing Trump I endorse the other sides views en masse.

    You have yourself said that you would be unable to vote for various people for various reasons. Don’t be a hypocrite.

    and goodnight.

  243. NYCmike says:

    Ralph Northam: “We will make the baby comfortable….”

    “CG”: “I think Trump is the worser of the evils.”

  244. NYCmike says:

    “CG”. the moral compass of America, would rather have the Northam’s of the world making decisions instead of Trump, the Republican who finally kept some federal $$ from Planned Parenthood.

  245. Robbie says:

    What this thread demonstrates clearly is people who harrumphed about conservative values and conservative principles during the Obama years never really believed them. They were just a convenient way for a lot of people who hate Democrats to look principled.

  246. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    September 10, 2019 at 6:12 pm
    Ralph Northam: “We will make the baby comfortable….”
    “CG”: “I think Trump is the worser of the evils.”

    – Is Northam running for president, moron? Nice strawman argument, though.

  247. lisab says:

    does noone remember the camp david accords

    both sadat and begin were considered terrorists by the other side

  248. NYCmike says:

    “– Is Northam running for president, moron? Nice strawman argument, though.”

    -Do any of the Democratic candidates, other than Tulsi Gabbard, have a different view?

  249. NYCmike says:

    How about a Democratic Congress?

    Would they send radical-Planned-Parenthood legislation to a Democratic President to sign?

    Trump has shown himself to be an asset to the pro-life community.

    Do you care about killing children?

    Or, like the border, this isn’t a Top 10 issue for you, the “devout Catholic”?

  250. Proud Obamacon says:

    Ppl here are perfectly fine with unchecked deficit spending, higher taxes, rising national debt, and protectionism – who knew!f

    Should we rename this site from HedgeHog Report to KarlMarx Report?

    LOL

    Yall funny

  251. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Do any of the Democratic candidates, other than Tulsi Gabbard (for now), have a different view from Northam?

  252. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    September 10, 2019 at 6:16 pm
    does noone remember the camp david accords
    both sadat and begin were considered terrorists by the other side

    – Did either of them help orchestrate terrorist attacks that killed almost 3000 Americans, sweetheart?

  253. NYCmike says:

    I’ll give Robbie some extra time to figure out which candidate has a different view than Northam……..

  254. lisab says:

    none of the taliban leaders invited organized the 9/11 attacks

    two of those guys are dead guys are dead and the third mastermind is enjoying cuba

    so none of the people invited killed 3000 americans

  255. lisab says:

    just to put in perspective how much the trolls suffer from tds

    this is what they said when bolton was hired
    ————-
    robbie says:

    CG says:

    As being frequently mentioned, John Bolton is “about as hawkish and interventionist as they come.”
    So much for everything he (trump) said during the campaign about foreign policy, but at least a lot of those people are getting their tariffs.

    – He appears on FoxNews. That’s all that matters.

  256. NYCmike says:

    lisab,

    Nice find.

    What date? I was looking earlier, because that is what I remembered about their ideas about Bolton.

  257. NYCmike says:

    “So much for everything he (trump) said during the campaign about foreign policy….”

    -“CG”,

    So which is it?

    Was Trump lying when he campaigned, when he hired Bolton, or when he fired Bolton?

  258. CG says:

    I was notably enthused when Bolton was even earlier being touted for Secretary of State but of course correctly pointed out the absolute contradiction between that and what Trump ran on. I’ve always been a Bolton fan, but it was wrong of Bolton to think he had any chance of changing Trump for the better and it was inevitable that there would eventually be a falling out. I suppose Bolton will get to write a tell all book now.

    Trump is just confused in general. He really had no reason to hire Bolton, considering the far-left isolationist views Trump has long held, but did so anyway. He hires and fires top staff all the time. Nothing ever seems to work out the way he wants. He doesn’t take any of the blame though. He really doesn’t know how to do this government thing.

  259. NYCmike says:

    “He really doesn’t know how to do this government thing.”

    No Korea = since 1953 – Trump’s fault

    Middle East = since 1948 (give or take several millenia) – Trump’s fault

    China = there was no trade imbalance before 2017 – Trump’s fault

    Turkey = Erdogan got elected Prime Minister in 2003 – Trump’s fault

    Iraq and Afghanistan – Trump was against those wars – Trump’s fault

    Syria – Trump’s fault

    YUP, Trump “doesn’t know how to do this government thing.”

  260. NYCmike says:

    “Nothing ever seems to work out the way he wants.”

    -Trump is the ONLY President that you could say this about!

    Before 2017, everything was perfect!

    Just the way “CG” liked it!

  261. NYCmike says:

    On top of that, “CG” still hasn’t apologized for what he said about Trump (“So much for everything he (trump) said during the campaign about foreign policy….”).

    That statement was meant to portray Trump as someone who had lied.

    When did Trump lie in regards to the hire of Bolton?

    Was Trump lying when he campaigned, when he hired Bolton, or when he fired Bolton?

    Or, did Trump simply try some different ways to fix the problems he inherited?

  262. NYCmike says:

    https://lidblog.com/steve-mnuchin-acosta/

    -Jim Acosta plays the Robbie/”CG” role on national tv.

  263. NYCmike says:

    I’ll give Robbie some extra time to figure out which candidate has a different view than Northam……..

    -Usually “CG” would answer for Robbie….I guess he knows that staying home, and/or worrying more about the President as opposed to the person who would replace him if he lost is the same as allowing the policy set forth by Northam to become a national policy in time.

    BUT, since “Trump is the worser of the evils.”, that is ok with “CG”.

  264. CG says:

    Trump hiring Bolton to be his NSC Advisor shows he is a confused hypocrite. Hiring him was the biggest mistake and insult to actual Trump voters who believe in Trump’s foreign policy views.

    Now, Trump is calling McMaster and telling him that he misses him, after he fired him.

  265. dblaikie says:

    First of all I want to extend congrats to Wes for his accurate call of NC 9. Great call. Frankly I was impressed by Bishop’s victory. After all McCready has had a constant campaign for over 2 years. And correct me if I am wrong (I live in the South Carolina section of the Charlotte metro area) but folks were telling me that Bishop was pretty far behind a few months ago. Quite a come back.

    I read with a smile on my face Wes’s apocalyptic post about a McCready win. So I wonder what he thinks about the huge victory in NC 3 for the GOP.

    I do have a couple of quick observations about this special election. I read with interest the comment that Trump’s rally may have made a difference. If so, that is powerful news. There are many districts in this country that Suburban/Rural in demographics. I don’t think many people running in these districts are going to shun the Nominee. Second Bishop victory was far more solid that 2018. I believe the answer is the lunacy of the democratic party! Bishop was able to tie McCready to the radical Democratic base. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN 2018. My friend Wes in his analysis of 2018 talks about how Trump was really on the ballot in those suburban districts in 2018. But what happens when you are able put the Democratic agenda squarely on the ballot? I tell you what happens the vote begins to turn.

    Finally I do have one bone to pick with Wes. Please stop droning on about how Gallup is “the Gold Standard in Presidential Polls.” That was very true in the past. 15 years ago the one poll I cared about the most was the Gallup tracking poll of likely voters. You see, likely, is the operative word. To their credit because they saw the flaws of trying to get an accurate likely voter screen, the Gallup organization gave them up. Today they only poll adults in the Presidential race. Since only half of adults actually vote, it can never be the “Gold standard.”