Biden Leads Trump By 14% Nationally, But Trails Trump in FL

We have a new poll from Fox News that shows Joe Biden with a double-digit lead in both the Democratic primary and the General Election.

Joe Biden 29%
Bernie Sanders 18%
Elizabeth Warren 16%
Kamala Harris 7%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Beto O’Rourke 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Andrew Yang 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

Joe Biden (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 38%

Bernie Sanders (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

Kamala Harris (D) 42%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

This poll was done September 15-17 among 1008 registered voters. Meanwhile going to the important state of Florida, the candidate that does the best against Trump is none other than Elizabeth Warren according to the folks at Florida Atlantic University.

Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%
Elizabeth Warren (D) 50%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%
Joe Biden (D) 49%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 50%
Bernie Sanders (D) 49%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 52%
Kamala Harris (D) 48%

This poll was done September 12-15 among 934 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:36 pm
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169 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 14% Nationally, But Trails Trump in FL”

  1. Wes says:

    Florida is becoming a GOP-heavy state. I expect Trump to hold it next year.

  2. Hugh says:

    Well per fox trump is down 14 to Biden. If true trump will only win about 10 deep red states. Either fox should fire their pollsters or we should party like rock stars while selling short on the market. Someone has got to be way off. Right??

  3. Hugh says:

    Let’s play a game. This is a non credible survey. Nothing other than first hand. No I heard this or believe that. So each person can say I know firsthand as of right now the following. I’ll go first. I do not have any firsthand knowledge of one person I know who voted for trump that know intends to not vote for trump. I have firsthand knowledge of two people who voted against trump who now plan to vote for trump. Your turn

  4. Tina says:

    Down 100 and ahead in florida.


  5. CG says:

    I assume the deceased are given a pass…

    Just among those who have gone public off the top of my head…

    Joe Walsh, Joe Walsh’s wife, Joe Walsh’s kids, George Conway, The Mooch, Mrs. Mooch, Omorosa, Richard Ojeda, Caitlyn Jenner, and about 9 people I know that none of you would have heard of.

    On the other hand, my father who claims to not have voted for Trump last time might possibly do so, but I think I can prevent that.

  6. CG says:

    Maybe Jay Cutler will wise up this time too.

  7. Tina says:

    Is joe Walsh aka pedo Epstein clone using the n word again?

  8. CG says:

    No, will you?

    Oh, and Richard Spencer publicly turned on Trump too.

  9. Tina says:

    You are. Rumor is your pet beast is running.

  10. CG says:

    I don’t know these people and of course they may very well be lying, but there seems to be a lot of them

  11. CG says:

    Paul Manafort won’t be voting for Trump again.

    Neither will that bodybuilder guy in Florida with the Trump Van.

  12. CG says:

    Cross Michael Flynn and Michael Cohen off the list..

    To be fair, Cohen won’t get to vote for a Democrat either.

    Gates, Papadopolous…

    I guess Roger Stone is still eligible.. for now.

  13. Tina says:

    Vote for Hillary again.

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    What would happen if the Feds or states tried to confiscate guns? Would law enforcement agents do it? Would jason or Phil shoot the agent/officer? What if the agent/officer went to their church or was their child’s soccer coach on weekends

  15. CG says:

    That guy from the rally that Trump called “my African-American”….

    He’s off the Train as of last week.

  16. Tina says:

    Posted on September 19, 2019 | by Scott Rasmussen
    The number of voters believing President Trump will be re-elected in 2020 has stabilized.

  17. jason says:

    I wouldn’t shoot anybody, but I wouldn’t surrender the guns either. Good luck on the Feds finding them.

    As far as who is voting for Trump or not, he has at least 2 more votes in PA, I never thought my wife would ever vote for him, but she thinks the Dems are completely nuts. He now has 3/5 votes in my family, with a fair chance of 4/5.

    And again, I don’t know of one person who voted for Trump that won’t support him again.

  18. Tina says:

    McCabe aka first we phuq flynn, then we phuq trump, seems a bit nervous. Hopefully, we get a perp walk of him and Comedy.

  19. jason says:


    “Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin: Beto O’Rourke ‘not taking my guns”

    I will send my guns over to Joe’s house.

  20. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    CG, not to rain on your parade of defecting Trump voters; but as someone who did not vote for Trump in 2016, but is quite likely to do so in 2020, have to say your watching the direction of one lane of traffic on a two-way street.

    The current RCP polling average has Trump at 44% percent; the same level of support that Obama was at on this date in 2011. Obama was reelected in a competitive election. I expect a competitive election in 2020, and would not wager now who will win. A lot depends on who the Democrats nominate, and whether Biden can still remember his own name

  21. jason says:

    That Florida poll is not good for Biden’s sole reason for being in the race, that he is the only one electable.

  22. jason says:

    Corey’s racist bigot deadbeat candidate won’t vote for Trump?


  23. MikeKS says:

    It’s really coming down to one state – Pennsylvania.

    Trump will hold Ohio, Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, ME-2, and Iowa.

    If he does that, then he needs just one of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.

    I think PA is the most likely for him to win out of those three, especially against Warren. Against Biden it could be dicey.

  24. Phil says:

    Naw, I wouldn’t shoot anybody…..but they wouldn’t find my guns either. LOL

  25. Wes says:

    I wouldn’t be absolutely sure Trump will hold AZ, Mike. He barely carried it in 2016, and last year Republicans suffered major electoral setbacks in the state. Trump is grossly unpopular in the state’s largest suburban metro area, so I wouldn’t say confidently AZ sticks with him next year.

  26. Bitterlaw says:

    PA will be critical. I think Trump won here in 2016 because Trump went after the rural/blue collar/deplorable voters AND many of Hillary’s would be voters thought she was going to cruise to victory and drank lattes or went to spin class instead of voting.

    I can trade anecdotes with Jason but who knows if the furious anti-Trump women will be enough to overcome jason’s 4/5 family vote. The problem for Trump is that more people live in the angry anti-Trump “I won’t sit out 2020” parts of the state. I say that Trump has a 40% chance of holding PA right now.

  27. Tina says:

    Deblasio quits 2020 presidential race.

  28. Tina says:

    She was the lead attorney on this case and won. Her office is in SF.

    Harmeet K. Dhillon
    BOOM! A victory in court today for the First Amendment, the Rule of Law, and for California voters. Such an honor to be on the winning team in court today! Judge Blocks New California Law That Would Require Trump to Reveal Tax Returns… via

  29. dblaikie says:

    I see there has been some discussion about PA and Arizona. Since I don’t live in those (I grew up in Nevada) states I am not going to presume to be an expert about them. However I do have one point to make concerning them and the other swing states. If Warren is the candidate I don’t see how Trump loses. Her embrace of gun control, a green new deal which would destroy the natural gas industry in places like western Pa., and the destroying of private health care is not a winning platform. Couple that with established lying to get ahead in life by claiming a minority heritage she doesn’t have and I just don’t see her in the White House.

    Now I know that some will respond by saying the deep dislike of Trump is going to rule the day. However I believe that the majority of voters, in the voting booth, will vote what is in their interest.

    That is why I feel pretty confident in a Trump win.

  30. jason says:

    I think 40% chance is fair for PA right now, but essentially that gives him a 40% chance of winning the Presidency, much higher than he had in 2016.

    I am skeptical that Hillary’s voters did not turn out in 2016 in PA, very little evidence of that, and I am skeptical that any “furious anti-Trump women” are women that voted for him in 2016. I think the “furious anti-Trump women” are mostly women who voted for Hillary.

    Trump actually did worse than Romney in the Philly burbs and still won. Hillary matched Obama’s 500k plurality in Philadelphia Co. and still lost.

  31. dblaikie says:

    Far be it for me to complain about a poll but this Fox News stew of polls demands some questioning. Mainly how can his approval rating be 45 and yet against the dem candidates he never goes above 40? Not saying they are all bogus, but I am saying this doesn’t make sense.

  32. Wes says:

    DB assumes voters will consider Trump to be their best interests. Unfortunately for Trump there’s no evidence DB is right.

  33. Hugh says:

    So far not one trump crossover vote from firsthand knowledge. SD is right it’s a two lane highway.

  34. dblaikie says:

    Jason I believe that today bitter’s 40 is probably accurate. However as I stated in post 30 when the Dems decide on their nominee and embrace, officially, a platform that for many is just plain lunacy. That percentage is going to rise, in my humble (I have been wrong before) opinion.

  35. dblaikie says:

    Sorry Wes again I believe that you simply wrong in saying there is no evidence. For instance, you have been arguing that Trump’s approval is far worse than Obama’s at this stage of the campaign. Well once again let me post this article from Newsweek to answer your contention. Here is the post:

    Once again, for the 8th time, I will simply point out the fact that Trump won in 2016 with 46 percent. Right now the average has him at 44.3. 1.7 percent is hardly a huge mountain to climb.

  36. Wes says:

    Let’s play the game of pick one data point and treat it as the Holy Grail.

    Trump did win with 46%. What enabled his victory though?

    1) An entitled, elitist opponent who assumed victory too early

    2) The reopening of an investigation into his opponent give days before the election

    3) His opponent’s poor campaign strategy that left openings any competent candidate wouldn’t have allowed

    I know you believe it did as it’s the only thing you cite about 2016, but Trump’s 46% victory didn’t happen in a vacuum. It resulted from a perfect storm of missteps and unsavory acts by Hillary that let Trump capitalize and win.

    Hillary Clinton with all her baggage won’t be the next Dem Trump faces for President.

    Sorry to disillusion you.

  37. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife did not vote for President in 2016. She hates a Trump so much on a personal level that she plans on voting for any Democrat for President and GOP in all other races. She will vote against her own interests to get him out of office. She has friends who will vote the same way.

  38. lisab says:

    The NRA has named Beto O’Rourke the AR-15 salesman of the year

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    Warren is a shrill, unpleasant, flaming liberal bitch. However, she does not carry Hillary’s corruption baggage. That makes her a real threat to Trump.

  40. jason says:

    Hillary came out of Phila. Co, Delco, Montco and Allegheny counties with a huge 740k lead. It was the “little counties where nobody lives in” Bitter is so disparaging of that made up the difference.

    But with all the anti-gun rhetoric you might see some massive Trump votes again in counties like these:

    Westmoreland (Pittsburgh exburb)
    Trump 116,522
    Hillary 59,659

    Butler (Pittsburgh exburb)
    Trump 64,428
    Hillary 28,584

    Trump 128,528
    Hillary 68,524

    and then dozens of little counties like:
    Trump 19,552
    Hillary 3,645

    Trump 27,379
    Hillary 7,376

  41. lisab says:

    if warren is on the ticket

    i will probably vote for trump

  42. dblaikie says:

    First to Bitter, in my post I said, “the majority will vote in their interest.” My friend that implies a minority, that includes your wonderful wife, will not.

    Now my to my friend Wes. First I notice you did not acknowledge the Newsweek data point that showed even without factoring in Rasmussen, Trump at this point is above Obama’s in 2011. But that is fine. However I agree that elections will not happen in a vacuum. And unless the Democratic party nominates someone not in the current crop of candidates or whatever candidate doesn’t disavow their pledge to end fracking, take away law abiding peoples guns, and promise not to mess with your private health care, then the table is set for the GOP.

  43. lisab says:

    i imagine trump will do a couple of points better

    with women, blacks and hispanics than he did in 2016 against hillary

    it would be hard for him to do worse among women and blacks, so he will probably to a few points better.

    also, i imagine the black vote will go down overall

  44. jason says:

    So Bitter’s wife and my wife will now cancel each other out.

    Bitter’a argument is that there are more wives where he lives than here.

    I am going to try to get Amos’ daughters to vote to make up the difference.

  45. jason says:

    However, she does not carry Hillary’s corruption baggage.”

    True, but she has her own baggage.

  46. lisab says:

    there are also people that did not vote for trump because they thought he had no chance

    the very reason they try to skew polls

    no one will think trump cannot win this time

  47. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason has forgotten that anti-gun Bill Clinton and Obama carried PA 4 times between them. I have heard people who never talked about guns laws before demanding more gun laws now because of the mass shootings.

    I have no problem with rural counties. Somebody has to live there. Just not me. They are too far from the beach.

  48. lisab says:

    finally, trump will have a huge money advantage compared to his finances in 2016

    hillary outspent trump 2 to 1

    the two parties will be at least even this time

    assuming the billionaires like bezos step up to fund people who are saying they will put a wealth tax on them

  49. dblaikie says:

    Bitter I agree that she is a “shrill, unpleasant, liberal throwing bitch.” However you forgot to mention that she is a proven liar, whose lie paid her deep dividends in her effort to put herself forward in life. Warren, just like Hillary, is cut from the same cloth.

  50. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, neither Clinton nor Obama were in favor of confiscating your guns. Who can doubt that Warren is not already there. Couple that with destruction of the new, job creating, energy industry in Western Pa and you can bet those unknown people in the rural counties will be out in force.

  51. Bitterlaw says:

    Amos shunned his daughters after the infamous Wet Bonnet Contest during rumshpringa.

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    Obama was hostile to those bitter people clinging to their guns and religion. He won. Twice,

  53. jason says:

    I don’t agree with wes that Trump won because of Hillary’s missteps. I think that is a simplistic view.

    Of course I agree her baggage hurt her as his baggage hurt him. But I am skeptical about the “misstep” theory.

    Hillary had a massive advantage in money and organization. She outspent Trump many times over in all the battleground states she lost, and she had an overwhelming advantage in organization and ground game in all these states.

    So I give Trump a lot more credit for winning than wes does. He overcame Hillary’s advantages with a very clear strategy of tapping into blue collar discontent and getting hundreds of Obama counties from 2008 and 2016 to switch to him. This vote was not an anti-Hillary vote, it was a pro-Trump vote.

    I don’t agree with the “Hillary lost the election” meme, I think Trump won it. I might not agree entirely with his message, but it was an effective message.

    If you want to go with the “Comey effect” and the “not enough visits to WI effect” fine, I don’t think that is why Trump won.

  54. jason says:

    Bitter, neither Clinton nor Obama were in favor of confiscating your guns.”

    Hello? Of course they were.

    They were just too smart to say so.

    Believe me, every Dem who talks about “sensible gun laws” wants to confiscate your guns.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    Let’s say the Dem gets 2% than Hillary did in Montgomery, Delaware, Bucks, and Chester counties. Let’s say Trump gets 2% more than in 2016 in the rural counties Jason listed. 2% of more populous counties is greater than 2% of small population counties. Sorry. Math can be harsh.

  56. jason says:

    They are too far from the beach.”

    I am only like 50 miles from the Inner Harbor.

    Oh wait, I guess that is not a beach.

  57. Bitterlaw says:

    The Inner Harbor sucks.

  58. jason says:

    2% more than in 2016 in the rural counties Jason listed. 2% of more populous counties is greater than 2% of small population counties. Sorry. Math can be harsh.”

    Huh, bad math there.

    If that happened, Trump would win easily.

    Despite the fact Phila, Delco, Montco and Allegheny counties are very populous, 2/3 of PA residents live outside these counties.

  59. jason says:

    Hillary only won 11 counties in PA in 2016. They account for roughly 40% of the population.

    Of the 11, 5 were by 3% or less and 1 was by 4%.

    So yeah, give the Dems 2% more in every county she won and give Trump 2% more on all the others.

    Meet President Trump.

  60. jason says:

    I know Bitter thinks nobody lives outside of Philadelphia and its suburbs, but Lancaster has 530k people vs. 560k for Delco.

    Philadelphia Co. has 1.5 million people, but York and Lancaster have about 1.0 million.

    Bitter has to get out more.

  61. lisab says:

    i think biden could likely win pa

    but warren is not a sure bet at all

    maybe she can match hillary in the number of women that hillary got, i doubt it, but it could happen. i think it will be close, but i think she will get slightly less women

    but it is almost a certainty that she wont match hillary among blacks or hispanics

  62. lisab says:

    if trump loses women by 10 points — he lost by 13 in 2016


    gets above 10% of the black vote — he got 8% in 2016

    the dems have a formidable hill to climb

  63. jason says:

    Yes, I prefer Warren to Biden, I think he would be a stronger candidate in PA.

    On paper.

    If he really is a doddering old fool likely to self destruct during the campaign, I prefer him.

    Again, I am loathe to pick the Dem candidate after praying Obama would be the candidate in 2008 and almost switching registration in TX to vote for him in the TX primary.

  64. jason says:

    I guess it depends on the woman.

    Bitter’s wife will vote against her interests because somehow she now dislikes Trump more than in 2016.

    My wife will now vote for Trump because she thinks the Dems are going too far against her interests. That trumps her dislike for Trump (although she thinks Biden is creepier than Trump).

    My daughter won’t vote for Trump or any of the Dems, same as 2016…. although all bets are off if the Dems nominate Bernie.

  65. jason says:

    It’s happening!

    “It’s happening’: Trump is getting impeached, former White House ethics chief says”

  66. jason says:

    I guess watching stupid people is fun.

    “The U.S. Air Force had issued a stern warning to the public not to trespass into Area 51, which it said is used to test aircraft and train personnel.

    Jason Strand, 23, said he traveled from Utah to the rural Nevada site as part of a group of nine friends to take in the scene. He said he was not inclined to dart into Area 51.

    “We’re came out here to see the dumb people make a run for it,” he said.”

  67. Bitterlaw says:

    She hated Hillary, too. That balanced out her hate for Trump.

    People vote against their interests all the time. I voted for candidates opposed to fetal tissue stem cell research. As a diabetic, I should have supported letting aborted fetuses be tossed into blenders in search of a cure.

  68. Phil says:

    Yep. Wish I had a buck for every time over the past three years we’ve heard the left say “we’ve got him now”.

  69. Wes says:

    When one argues an FBI investigation of a presidential candidate immediately before Election Day has no effect on the outcome I find his analysis hard to take seriously.

  70. lisab says:

    whoops … max stier’s wife had been nominated to the dc circuit court by obama

    but was blocked by gop senate

    and replaced by trump

  71. lisab says:

    yang surpassed sanders on predictit yesterday

  72. lisab says:

    sanders took back the lead over yang this morning

    but warren is now at 43 cents to biden’s 26 cents

  73. jason says:

    When one argues an FBI investigation of a presidential candidate immediately before Election Day has no effect on the outcome I find his analysis hard to take seriously.”

    Right, I don’t think it had any effect on the outcome at all, especially since Hillary was actually (and wrongly) cleared before the election.

    Not only that, the polls had begun to tighten BEFORE the announcement, and were actually getting better for Hillary BEFORE she was cleared, so there is very little, if any, evidence the Comey letter cost her the election. Had she won, there is also little evidence “clearing her” was the cause either.

    I think that is DEM talking point frankly. I know 538 says it did (marginally, Silverhack concedes it may not have) and Vox, but there are many other sources, not all of the conservative (like WAPO) that are skeptical.

    Finally, Clinton’s image as untrustworthy and dishonest was cemented long before the Comey announcement, I don’t think anyone actually said “hey maybe Hillary is a crook” because of that, those perceptions were baked in long ago.

    According to the WAPO study, only 3 things affected the race in a statistically meaningful way. Obama’s popularity, the first debate, and the Dem convention, but all three moved things in Clinton’s favor, not against.

  74. Wes says:

    Right, Jason.

    And Acorn stole the 2006 VA Senate race from George Allen. It had exactly nothing to do with his meltdown from August on.


    That polls tightened before Comey reopened his investigation during an active voting period, I might add—doesn’t mean reopening the investigation didn’t do further damage to Hillary. You seem unable to grasp that simple concept.

  75. lisab says:

    whatever the fbi investigation

    trump supporters won’t believe it. the fbi has blotted its copybook.

    the more important issue is that it looks like warren will be the nominee.

    the vp almost has to be black. harris? booker?

    she has a path, but it is not a slam dunk

  76. Phil says:

    Lisa, I know you aren’t going to vote for Trump and that’s logical given your ideology. I’m curious, however, about your disdain for Elizabeth Warren. I know you have said multiple times you might even vote for Trump over Her and I was wondering why you dislike her so much. Don’t you have ties to Massachusetts?

  77. jason says:

    “Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang said the United States may have to eliminate private car ownership to combat climate change during MSNBC’s climate forum at Georgetown University Thursday morning.”

  78. lisab says:

    Lisa, I know you aren’t going to vote for Trump and that’s logical given your ideology.

    i WILL vote for trump over warren, unless something devastating about trump comes out

    why am i against warren?

    one word … fauxahontas

    i would not have voted for her, because she is so fake anyway … she referred to the west coast of massachusetts once and mispronounces well-known massachusetts town names. just like i did not vote for hillary, i voted for stein.

    but i absolutely WILL vote against warren for pretending to be a minority to get ahead

  79. lisab says:

    and … i said that back when she was 1% in the polls,

    this is not a new position on my part

    senator warren speaks with fork tongue

  80. jason says:

    You seem unable to grasp that simple concept.”

    You seem to be unable to grasp the simple concept that there is no evidence Hillary would have won the the election had there been no Comey letter.

    Nada. Nothing. Zero.

    What we have is speculation on either side that it may or may not have affected the election.

    If 25000 people who were going to vote for Hillary actually voted for Trump instead in PA it would could have affected the election, or if 50000 who were going to vote for Hillary now stayed home because they didn’t see Hillary was cleared it could have affected the election.

    Is there ANY evidence this happened. No.

  81. lisab says:

    what i remember most about 2016 is that people thought trump had ZERO chance

    and many of those same people are making the same mistake again

    trump may not win, but with a good economy and a country at peace, clearly he does not have zero chance

    now if we go into recession or start a war with iran, that would obviously hurt him A LOT

    but as of right now, against warren? he has a good chance to win. even if it is not 50-50, it is well above zero chance

  82. jason says:

    People vote against their interests all the time. I voted for candidates opposed to fetal tissue stem cell research”

    I know. I do too, I voted for a lot of right wing kooks in my lifetime because they were Republicans.

    But we each have our limits.

    My wife says she will now vote for a blowhard she doesn’t like because she doesn’t want her kids to have to live under socialism.

    Your wife will vote for a guy who says he is going to eliminate private ownership of cars.

    She hasn’t reached her limit.

  83. lisab says:

    i can even see a case being made that trump has only 25% chance of winning

    i would not agree, i think it is higher, but i can see a logical case being made. i just would not agree with the underlying assumptions.

    but zero chance? that ignores recent history.

  84. jason says:

    I understand the concept, however, I am not criticizing your wife.

    I wouldn’t vote for a Roy Moore or a Rand Paul even if their opponents were the ghost of Karl Marx.

  85. jason says:

    I think a Trump – Warren EV result would look a lot like 2016.

  86. lisab says:

    the big item will be

    “are you going to raise taxes?”

    every dem will be a yes.

    now Bitterlaw’s wife may be against trump now, but wait until the economy slows and Bitterlaw stops getting job interviews.

    my hubby had 4 offers in two months, all for more money, and eventually got more than a 50% raise.

    you don’t want to be looking for a job when people know taxes are going up and the economy is going down

  87. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab – My area of law does well regardless of the eco only. A booming eco out means more people working and getting into work accidents. A bad economy means people afraid of losing their jobs have “accidents.” Both types of cases have to be defended.

  88. jason says:

    The Dems have their own Mikeys who are dying to apply the Mikey Maneuver on their side.

    “Yesterday, Arizona Republic reported that Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) “is facing a censure vote from the Arizona Democratic Party,” whose farthest left members feel Sinema has been too acquiescent toward President Trump’s policies. Dan O’Neal, the state coordinator of Progressive Democrats of America, claims Sinema has abandoned the Democratic stances she supposedly ran on.”

  89. jason says:

    senator warren speaks with fork tongue”

    Racist post.

    Only whites speak with forked tongue.

  90. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife is a partner at a law firm and has been there for 21 years. Her only mistake was marrying me. She can vote any way she wants. She will be back to voting for a Republican For President in 2024.

  91. lisab says:

    Both types of cases have to be defended.

    i hope so for your sake

    but looking for a job when you are over 50 is not fun

    my sister is an engineer. from the day she graduated college she had people lined up to hire her at huge pay. female engineers are just rare. she changed jobs more frequently than she washed her bra

    then she turned 50

    and it was no longer so easy

  92. lisab says:

    but the larger point of course is that

    everyone out there with a mortgage

    is not going to be happy paying off other people’s student loans.

    why is the government not paying off my mortgage?

  93. jason says:

    My wife’s was really lucky she decided that we should get married.

    She can vote anyway she wants, and does. That being said I am happily surprised she is voting for Trump.

    She hated Hillary, but she never gave the impression that she was scared sh-tless Hillary would win. She does seem very worried that one of the assorted socialists would win.

  94. lisab says:

    Many people want to set aside half of Earth as nature

  95. jason says:

    Everyone wants in…

    “Florida man accused of exposing himself several times tells Pasco deputies he’s ‘just an a**hole.’

  96. Wes says:

    Here we go…

    Remember how I said Trumpkins are a cult of personality?

    Well, Thom Tillis—a conservative ever since his time in the State House—had the audacity to disagree with Trump on the ridiculous wall. Now the Trumpkins hate Tillis for—gasp!—showing independent thinking and putting his state’s interests ahead of Trump’s whims:

  97. lisab says:

    Beto’s AMA went down faster than Kamala Harris in Willie Brown’s office

  98. NYCmike says:

    “On the other hand, my father who claims to not have voted for Trump last time might possibly do so, but I think I can prevent that.”

    -The same guy who says Trump had “daddy” issues seems to think his own father may not speak the truth to him…….”CG”, from knowing you only on HHR, I can understand why your father would feel the need to be less than truthful with you.

  99. Wes says:

    Here’s a direct quote from a Trump supporter in the article I linked:

    “Thom Tillis has not upheld his position, which is to support my president.”

    This isn’t about conservatism. It’s about blind loyalty to one man. That as much as Trump’s unpopularity is the reason Republicans won’t win in 2024 if Trump survives next year. His followers are a coalition specific to him and will not only fail to turn out for the next GOP presidential candidate but also provide reasons not to support anyone other than Trump. Dems will look at the Trump coalition as an electoral bonanza in a few years.

  100. NYCmike says:

    #101 – Wes finds one man to confirm his thought, and then writes a lot of words.

    Somewhere, George RR Martin is smiling.

  101. NYCmike says:

    “This isn’t about conservatism. It’s about blind loyalty to one man.”

    -Wes, ye of BushDerangementSyndrome, Blind loyalty or blind hatred, please tell me what is the difference, when it comes to your idea about “conservatism”?

  102. Wes says:

    You didn’t read the article I linked, did you, Mikey?

    Of course not.

    It wasn’t a coloring book. The article is pointing out how Trump supporters in NC regard Tillis’ one moment of apostasy as tantamount to heresy and intend sitting out the Senate election upon his renomination. That one quote is emblematic of other thoughts expressed by people loyal to Trump in the article.

    To his credit, Trump recognizes Tillis is a necessary ally in the Senate and has endorsed the good Senator. Many of Trump’s followers, however, are not nearly so perspicacious.

  103. janz says:

    In the 2016 election I said I would vote for Trump once he became the R nominee. He was my last choice to be the nominee, and I disliked him all the way to the day I cast my vote for him – all because of seeing HRC as being a much bigger threat to my own belief system.

    Now, looking at his reelection, voting for Trump will be much easier. While I personally still don’t like his in-your-face behavior, way too many tweet storms, etc., I am more than happy with most of his policies, judicial picks and withdrawal from obscene agreements forged under the Obama Administration. So, I personally find it foolish for people to place more value on how much they like a candidate versus a record of their positive accomplishments – especially when the only other choices are so abysmal, maybe even frightening!

    I also think there is a fairly good portion of the electorate who feels the same as I do – they are able to separate their negative feelings for Trump from their more logical appraisal of how the country is doing under his presidency.

  104. lisab says:

    i agree with janz

    as an outside observer, i notice that many “republicans”

    really want trump to lose. they do not want republicans to lose, but if they could, they would love it if trump would lose.

    however, the reality is that if trump loses, the gop faces disaster.

    i cannot see the gop winning in 2024 if trump loses in 2020. the trump people will not turn out and the dem will be an incumbent.

  105. lisab says:

    if trump wins in 2020

    then it depends on who the nominees are in 2024.

    wes is correct in thinking that getting some of the trump supporters to vote in 2024 will be difficult

    if the candidate is a never trumper, it could be impossible.

  106. NYCmike says:

    -Wes, ye of BushDerangementSyndrome, Blind loyalty or blind hatred, please tell me what is the difference, when it comes to your idea about “conservatism”?

  107. NYCmike says:

    “wes is correct in thinking that getting some of the trump supporters to vote in 2024 will be difficult”

    -I didn’t dispute this.

    Every year you would be able to find these types of voters, if you looked hard enough.

    What I asked was “Blind loyalty or blind hatred, please tell me what is the difference, when it comes to your idea about “conservatism”?”

  108. NYCmike says:

    Then again, the ability to write with such good humor, may make this man capable of leading a cult!!


  109. lisab says:

    “wes is correct in thinking that getting some of the trump supporters to vote in 2024 will be difficult”

    -I didn’t dispute this.


    i was not saying that you disputed it.

    i was partially agreeing with wes. he seems to think that if trump wins in 2020, the trump supporters who were not republicans voters before 2016, will disappear in 2024.

    i think this is partially true, but i think it will be completely true if trump loses in 2020. if the “trumpsters” think that trump loses because of “rinos”, then imo 2024 will be gone for the gop. the “betrayal” will cause them to leave.

    if trump wins in 2020, then i think much depends on the candidates. just as hillary and potentially biden benefit from increased black voting from the obama years — which is going down of course as obama moves into the past,

    the 2024 gop candidate will probably get some carryover from “trumpsters”

    note the use of quotes, these are not what i would call trump supporters or traditional bush/romney/rubio etc. supporters

  110. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Over the past several months, there has been doom and gloom on this board over the economy by the usual suspects. Some of it reflect the glum predictions in Bloomberg, or fear of the Chinese tariffs. Here is a Bloomberg article today:

    “Hold That Recession: U.S. Indicators Are Trouncing Forecasts

    The U.S. economy is outperforming expectations by the most this year, offering a fresh rebuttal to last month’s resurgent recession fears fueled by the trade war and a manufacturing slump.

    The Bloomberg Economic Surprise Index has reached an 11-month high after four indicators released Thursday, including existing home sales and jobless claims, each surpassed expectations. The gauge continued to advance after swinging to positive from negative on Tuesday for the first time this year. The data also pushed a similar measure produced by Citigroup Inc. to the highest level since April 2018.”

  111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump is up to 52% in Rasmussen:

    “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.”

    Meanwhile, Democratic candidate Beto wants to take your guns; Democratic candidate Yang wants to take your automobile. The results in 2020 may not be so much how Trump won the election, But how the Democrats lost it.

  112. lisab says:

    “The New England Patriots are releasing Antonio Brown,”

  113. Robbie says:

    Edward-Isaac Dovere

    thought experiment: a President Hillary Clinton on the phone with say, the new president of Cuba, urging him to look into the family of Marco Rubio, then emerging as one of her potentially toughest opponents in the 2020 election.

    What happens next?

    -At least in this forum, Jason fraud, NYCmoron, and Boomer Phil would be demanding President Clinton either resign or be impeached and removed from office. And rightfully so, by the way.

    But since their cult leader did it to the Ukrainian government, they’ll just puke up “but muh deep state coup” or some other tripe they heard on FoxNews or some bat crap crazy conservative forum.

  114. lisab says:

    “The Chicago Bears and Cleveland Browns are in a bidding war for Antonio Brown,”

  115. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    September 20, 2019 at 5:02 pm
    Trump is up to 52% in Rasmussen:
    “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.”

    – LOL! The president of the Peter Navarro fan club just can’t quit Rasmussen. So sad. I thought he might have learned his lesson when Rasmussen’s final 2018 poll showed Republicans at +1.

  116. lisab says:

    well cuba is our enemy

  117. lisab says:

    consider a thought experiment

    a president gives iran $1.7 billion dollars in cash …

    oh wait …

  118. NYCmike says:

    Robbie came crashing thru – Friday Happy Hour is here!

  119. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #115- Wormtongue
    1- Sort of like the Clinton campaign asking the Ukraine for dirt on Trump and Manafort in 2016.
    2- Sort of like VP Biden’s quid pro quo with the Ukraine. To wit: we will give you the billions of dollars in US Loan Guarantees after you fire the prosecutor investigating my son. VP Biden used US dollars to extract a personal favor Impeach!

    By the way, the Wall Street Journal article on this matter claims NO quid pro quo between Trump and the Ukrainian President.

  120. lisab says:

    my favourite part was when he said that some here would be angry … if hillary tried to get dirt on rubio …

    from the dictator of cuba … our sworn enemy since 1961

    the country that wanted krushev to fire nukes at the usa.

    yes .. yes … i think we would have a problem with that

  121. Tina says:

    Hillary already had the Ukraine gubment investigate trump.

    The Russian hoaxer is a fraud.

  122. Tina says:

    Let’s pretend somebody did not threaten to pull aid for Ukraine in order to have the special prosecutor fired for investigating his son,

  123. lisab says:

    maybe robbie feels cuba is an ally …

    as a dem supporter i mean

  124. Tina says:

    I liked how jfk pronounced Koo-ba.

  125. lisab says:

    i much prefer biden to warren

    if warren wins … we lose

    seriously, we will all be living in san francisco

    thank god i have assets overseas.

  126. Phil says:

    Hey look. Robbie here right on cue with the latest “scandal”

    The guy is like clockwork.

    He never disappoints. Maybe unlike the other scandals he ran over here with this one will really really really really really really really doom Trump.

    Avenatti was a bust but this time they’ve really really really really got him. LOL

  127. Tina says:

    Former Ukrainian Prosecutor: Joe Biden Forced Me Out to Protect Hunter Biden via

  128. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The worse thing that could happen to Biden is his son Hunter’s involvement in the Ukraine becoming front page news. It almost seems like he was just set up by the anonymous “whistle blower.”

    “Trump appeared to be referring to a statement Biden made in January 2018, where he boasted to members of a panel hosted by the Council of Foreign Relations that he ordered the Ukranian government to fire a prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, that was facing corruption allegations or the White House would reneg on a commitment to provide aid.

    “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired,” Biden said.

    At the time of Biden’s comments, Shokin was in the middle of a criminal investigation into the natural gas company Bursima, where Hunter Biden served on the board and earned a salary of up to $50,000 a month. Both Bidens have denied any conflicts of interests.

    Documents uncovered by the Washington Examiner showed that then-Secretary of State John Kerry’s stepson cut ties over Hunter Biden because of the ordeal. The decision of Hunter Biden to join Burisma caused the Obama administration to frantically run damage control, with many officials calling the move an unforced effort for a White House that touted its alleged clean record when it came to scandals.”

    Hunter Biden stepped down from his role at Bursima this year, before his father’s third White House run.

  129. Tina says:

    Yes, this is likely very possible. This has Steve Bannons fingerprints all over it.

    “The worse thing that could happen to Biden is his son Hunter’s involvement in the Ukraine becoming front page news. It almost seems like he was just set up by the anonymous “whistle blower.”

  130. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    130. He is a troll. On election night in 2012 he likely accidentally posted the “I told you so” attack on Romney on this board by mistake. It likely was meant for another site. Then he quickly claimed someone named “Hunter” did it. Of course he had been posting right before and right after the “Hunter” post. Hunter has denied stealing troll’s screen name and making the post.

  131. Tina says:

    Cnn report on a mn town turning to trump. It is a Drat town.

  132. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Today, VP Biden claimed that he has been cleared of any wrongdoing in the Hunter Biden/ Ukraine scandal because no MSM outlet has reported on it.
    WRONG says the NY Times author of a May 1,2019 story about Hunter and Joe Biden’s Ukraine dealings.

  133. lisab says:

    minnesota could turn red this time

    the influx of somalians has been a big wake up call to people in minnesota

    they are everywhere and dress differently, and while the vast majority are actually pretty hard working and have jobs

    there have been a bunch of high profile crimes where “some people did something”

  134. Tina says:


    No quid pro quo offered to the Ukrainians by trump, Jebots lose again.

    Wp just confirmed,

  135. lisab says:

    ok … but lets do a thought experiment

    imagine trump sold russia millions of dollars worth of our uranium, … oh wait …

  136. Tina says:

    Another thought experiment,

    Let’s imagine trump jr., or Ivanka,got,a payout from Ukraine and China.

    Oh wait…

  137. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Fox News poll of registered voters had Trump’s job approval at 45%/54%. This was up from the previous poll of 43%/56%. Republicans approved of Trump’s job performance by 89%; versus only 12% of Democrats.

  138. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    What makes the Hunter Biden story even more suspicious is he went on the board of directors of the Ukrainian energy company during a time he was battling serious addiction to cocaine, including crack cocaine.

    From ABC News

    “Robert Weissman, the president of progressive watchdog group Public Citizen, told ABC News last month that Hunter Biden’s business in Ukraine and China “at the absolute minimum” presented “a huge appearance of conflict.”

    In Ukraine, Hunter Biden accepted a paid position on the board of directors of Burisma, the country’s largest energy producer. The financially lucrative move, signed into effect in April 2014, coincided with the then-vice president fronting U.S. foreign policy in Ukraine in the wake of a revolution that ousted the country’s previous leader. The Biden campaign told ABC News that the candidate has never talked with his son about his Ukraine work.

    In his new interview, Hunter Biden says he and his father have an understanding that Hunter can pursue his own interests. He described the one exchange he said he and his father had about his decision to accept a paid board directorship at Burisma: “Dad said, ‘I hope you know what you are doing,’ and I said, ‘I do.’”

    * * * *

    Hunter Biden described several drug relapses over the past decade – including after his dismissal from the Navy Reserve in 2014 after testing positive for cocaine. In one incident he described from 2016, he says he had a gun pointed to his head while attempting to purchase crack in Los Angeles. During another incident, in 2017, police in Arizona found a crack pipe in his rental car after it was damaged in an accident.

    Why would a Ukrainian energy company want an American cocaine addict, with no background in
    energy, on its board? Could it be because he was the son of the Vice President of the United States?

  139. lisab says:

    gee, robbie left quickly

    i hope it was something i said 🙂

  140. Phil says:

    It was just the usual Robbie drive by.

  141. Tina says:

    So,the person is not a whistleblower. A leaker and criminal?

    “The “whistleblower” actually Did not have direct knowledge of the conversation!!!!”

  142. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Let’s do the Week in Review:
    1- Last Sunday, the NY Times smeared Brett Kavanaugh with a bogus claim of sexual inappropriateness by willfully omitting a pertinent fact. To wit: the alleged victim pretty much said that the activity never happened.
    A BIG FAIL by the Main Stream Media. What the story did is prove, beyond the shadow of doubt, that the MSM is nothing more than a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.

    2- When the Kavanaugh story backfired,the MSM turned to a nebulous story about a whistleblower claiming that the President was compromising national security through his Ukrainian dealings. This story has begun to unravel.
    The great Wall Street Journal columnist, Kim Strassel, calls it ” a leak by any other name”.
    This story could very well backfire since it brings into the open the very shady dealings of Democrat Presidential frontrunner Joe Biden’s family.

    Is anyone else besides myself disturbed by the fact that US Intelligence is “listening-in” on our representatives’ phone calls?

  143. Tina says:

    Biden hit hard this Am. Team trump ain’t playing. Biden walked right into this:

  144. Tina says:

    Get the smelling salts out.

  145. Tina says:

    “Not one credible outlet” was really his defense?

    Who is handling Gaffe?

  146. Tina says:

    Media triggered by Rambo fighting Mexican Cartels.

  147. Wobbles says:

    I am really excited by this new “scandal”.

    No I don’t care that Biden is completely corrupt.

  148. janz says:

    More stories are breaking about the Ukrainian story indicating, with increasing info, that It was Biden’s involvement in the financial advancement of his son Hunter that was inappropriate. John Solomon has some interesting facts on this matter, as does The Conservative Treehouse Blog, which has a comprehensive timeline on this Ukrainian controversy.

    I am finding, though, it more and more unflattering and frustrating how the media seems to be distancing themselves from neutral fact-finding that has anything to do with R and D politics.

  149. lisab says:

    Trudeau Claims He Was Known As ‘Corn Pop’ Until A Cool White Dude Turned His Life Around

  150. lisab says:

    Government That Wants You To Take Climate Change Seriously Invites Foreign High School Kid To Testify Before Congress

  151. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “It was Biden’s involvement in the financial advancement of his son Hunter that was inappropriate.”

    The Trump campaign brilliantly manipulated the liberal news media on this one. The media had been ignoring the Hunter Biden corruption story; and now Trump has made it front page news. It shows how seedy the Obama/Biden/Hillary cabal was.

  152. Wobbles says:

    Looks like I got suckered again.

    It sucks to be an Amoral Scumbag.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    145. “It was just the usual Robbie drive by.”

    Troll tried to make something of the Biden story against Trump. Then it was realized that the story was a Republican ambush, and the troll’s talking points got yanked.

  154. jason says:

    Walmart to halt sales of e-cigarettes.”

    One day WM is going to wake up and wonder what happened to its customers and realize that the MSM is not its friend.

    Mitt Romney and the Pope will find out too, sooner or later.

  155. Tina says:

    Has Biden even responded to that devastating internet ad from trump?

    Is he awake?

  156. lisab says:

    #145 because of the story falling apart, robbie and corey took. rod trip and are now chained to a fence at area 51

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    160. “Is he awake?”

    Does it make a difference?

  158. Tina says:


    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko discusses the phone call between President Donald Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky. He denies any coercion or quid pro quo.

    Muh Ukraine is going down in flames.

  159. Tina says:

    Grassley already sent a letter about The biden corruption a month ago.

  160. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    163. Looks like the Bidens followed the example of the Clintons; they sought to enrich themselves through their political connections. The Obama/Clinton/Biden cabal is going to go down in history as total sleaze.

  161. Tina says:

    It got so bad that the Heinz ketchup son split from Biden jr.

  162. Tina says:

    Hold That Recession – U.S. Indicators are Trouncing Forecasts“, Bloomberg admits the economy doesn’t match their gloomy narrative:

    (Bloomberg) — The U.S. economy is outperforming expectations by the most this year, offering a fresh rebuttal to last month’s resurgent recession fears fueled by the trade war and a manufacturing slump.

    The Bloomberg Economic Surprise Index has reached an 11-month high after four indicators released Thursday, including existing home sales and jobless claims, each surpassed expectations.

  163. Tina says:

    A new pole has Pocahontas ahead in Iowa:

    Elizabeth Warren narrowly leads the @DMRegister/@CNN Iowa Poll for the first time.

    Warren: 22%
    Biden: 20%
    Sanders: 11%
    Buttigieg: 9%
    Harris: 6%
    Booker: 3%
    Klobuchar: 3%
    Gabbard: 2%
    O’Rourke: 2%
    Steyer: 2%
    Yang: 2%