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Both Trump and Pence Trails Top Dems in OH

Yesterday Emerson College gave us a new poll for the state of Ohio that shows Trump trailing in a state Trump absolutely needs to win to win re-election. And with the chance that impeachment might cause Trump’s removal, I might have to start tracking Mike Pence as a Republican nominee and Emerson College shows even that might not make a difference for Republicans.

PRESIDENT – OHIO (Emerson)
Joe Biden (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

Bernie Sanders (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 48%

Joe Biden (D) 54%
Mike Pence (R) 46%

Bernie Sanders (D) 51%
Mike Pence (R) 49%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 51%
Mike Pence (R) 49%

This poll was done September 29-October 2 among 837 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:32 pm
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507 Responses to “Both Trump and Pence Trails Top Dems in OH”

  1. Victrc says:

    Ah yes. A state that is trending heavy R, that Trump won 9% and he’s down 6% to a socialist and 4% to someone who wants to take away your health insurance and put more government regulations that will cripple the states economy…

    But yes. It’s plausible. Rrrrriiiiigggghhhhhtttt

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump’s request to Ukraine and Cuba to investigate the Biden’s was politically motivated. It is not an impeachable offense. Both can be true.

  3. Victrc says:

    I concur Bitter

  4. Phil says:

    ……but he needs to be impeached anyway. Why? Just because.

  5. Bitterlaw says:

    3 How autocorrect changed China to Cuba is a mystery. Maybe Trump called Cuba, too.

  6. dblaikie says:

    I am saying that the emerson poll is bogus. It would be nice to their internals. But what I am saying in this political enviornment, I just don’t care. Right now polls mean nothing. I mean just look at them. His approval rating is just fine. But the support for impeachement is rocketing. So until this impeachment stuff is settled and we learn more from the DOJIG and Durham I am going to ignore the polls.

  7. dblaikie says:

    I hate typos. I am NOT SAYING that the emerson poll is bogus.

  8. Tina says:

    i see that quitters has popped off. He is a pos. I will never give him a penny. Huge downgrade compared to hatch.

  9. Paul says:

    3: Cuba is where Trump gets his dirt on Castro. 🙂

  10. Tina says:

    Rudy just dropped bombs on Schiffty. More developments promised.

    Rudy just loves the contact. He loves being the prosecutor.

  11. Victrc says:

    Dbl

    I’m
    Not calling them bogus because we can’t frisk, but, a. The main purpose of the poll was to find Dems for the primary poll. B. It does say about 30% of the respondents were online C. Does anyone actually think he’d lose Ohio to any of these candidates and D. Wait until he spends nearly $1B on the election after spending what? 10% of that, in 2016?

  12. NYCmike says:

    Romney has a guaranteed spot for his poster on “CG”‘s and Robbie’s basement walls.

  13. dblaikie says:

    Vic, that is exactly why, at the present time, they need to be ignored — they are meaningless.

  14. Waingro says:

    Poso ??
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    BREAKING: Senator Mitt Romey has been calling conservative donors asking about a potential 2020 primary run against President Trump

  15. dblaikie says:

    Notice how Mitt comes right to the edge of saying he would convict Trump, but he never jumps! He knows that he wouldn’t survive in Utah politically if he supported convicting the President. So he will ring his hands and moan and whine, but it really means nothing.

  16. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/jobs-report—september-2019.html

    For some reason, this does not cheer me. Wait. Maybe it is because I lost my job in September.

  17. NYCmike says:

    If anyone needs more evidence that any blame for the 2012 loss is ALL on Mitt Romney, your cup runneth over.

    It is possible that he is even weaker than JEB!2016.

  18. Tina says:

    Quitters has an advisor tied to Ukraine. Also I bet a financial interest since swamp crook loves swamp crook.

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks for the unsupported speculation, Never Ran.

  20. NYCmike says:

    “Quitters has an advisor tied to Ukraine.”

    -No way!

    I am positive that “CG” or Robbie will provide evidence to refute this statement, and to ensure that the moral high ground is held!

  21. Phil says:

    So Mitt is calling donors for a primary challenge. Nicole Wallace, Rick Wilson, Ana Navarro, who else? Rick Schmidt, Max Boot? Quick someone give him Coey’s And Robbie’s number. Bill Krystal ought to be good for a thousand or so.

  22. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176294435489046528

    -Note: Trump also tweeted this back in April, after Romney expressed outrage over the Mueller Report…….

  23. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw would vote for Romney over Trump in a primary…….talk about SEND A MESSAGE!

  24. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC knows I have a rule against voting for challengers over incumbents in primaries. While I would consider voting for Romney over Trump, it would be a waste of time. I probably would just not vote in the primary since the outcome in favor of Trump is certain.

  25. NYCmike says:

    I apologize for my error, Bitterlaw.

    I thought you had written once before that you would vote for Romney in a 2020 primary with Trump.

  26. Tina says:

    Bl you are very welcome.

    According to web archives, top Mitt Romney adviser Joseph Cofer Black, who publicly goes by “Cofer Black,” joined Burisma’s board of directors while Hunter Biden was also serving on the board.

  27. NYCmike says:

    https://burisma-group.com/eng/director/joseph-cofer-black/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cofer_Black

    “Mitt Romney presidential campaign

    On April 26, 2007, Black was chosen by Mitt Romney, a Republican candidate in the 2008 United States presidential election, to head his counter-terrorism policy advisory group.[31]

    In October 2011, Black was chosen by Romney to serve as “Special Adviser” on all foreign policy issues.”

  28. Tina says:

    The ic appears to be an idiot. I know he is connected with comedy and fib.

    Shannon Bream
    @ShannonBream
    · 1h
    Per Catherine Herridge: IC Inspector General told lawmakers the whistleblower did not disclose contact w Schiff/Committee staff – so IG never looked into it. IG “had no knowledge of it”.

  29. NYCmike says:

    Different people same name??

  30. lisab says:

    biden raised just $15 million last quarter

    buttigieg out raised him

    in erie pa, which was a roughly a 50-50 county in 2016

    biden got 2 donations, hillary had 48 in the same period

    (both donations were from the same person)

  31. lisab says:

    warren had 14 donations

    but in fairness, she has only been leading for two months

  32. lisab says:

    average warren donation was $26

    average biden donation was $200

    both warren and sanders raised about $25 million

  33. Paul says:

    Good news. Trump is healing the ozone layer through his benevolent presence. Actually, George Bush Sr. deserves credit for signing the Montreal Protocol.
    https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/09/1046452?fbclid=IwAR3L4q2Raw8Vvz4j-tPvkHtp6wijub2ITLwqhxBB_W5uzr9-bFlS_yYoKho

  34. lisab says:

    for comparison

    hillary raised $30 million in the third quarter, compared to warren’s $25 million

    hillary had raised $300+ million by this point

  35. CG says:

    On two threads, people have compared me to or likened me to Mitt Romney. That completely makes my week. It was better than getting a raise yesterday. Thank you!

  36. lisab says:

    warren does benefit from election funding because the native american election fund gives money to all native americans running for office

  37. lisab says:

    john kerry is thinking of getting in for 2020

  38. Hugh says:

    I find it curious other than selectively leaked texts. Nothing seems to be a the dems say. However listening even to fox it’s as if the sky is falling. True colors of many fox contributors are certainly coming out. But Chris Wallace saying Republicans could turn on trump if polling favors impeachment is ludicrous. Republicans who favor impeachment will get crushed.

  39. NYCmike says:

    #38 – Yikes.

    That is scary.

  40. lisab says:

    getting a raise?

    your parents raised your allowance again?

  41. lisab says:

    apparently whistleblower workes for fauxohauntus campaign

  42. lisab says:

    that’s the rumour

  43. NYCmike says:

    “john kerry is thinking of getting in for 2020”

    -“CG” just switched from Hunt’s Ketchup to Heinz, in celebration of the 57 states of America.

  44. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Is that the same Inspector General who prepared the report that you claimed was imminent for 2 years?

  45. Paul says:

    lisab is the whistleblower.

  46. Waingro says:

    If true, he/she/it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Sean Davis
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    The form submitted by the complainant required him to disclose all contacts he had regarding his allegations. If he failed to disclose those interactions with Schiff before filing the complaint, he could be subject to felony false statement charges. https://twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1180185231774687232

  47. NYCmike says:

    “If true, he/she/it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

    -Mitt Romney is “appalled” and “troubled” by your statement.

  48. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    In terms of policy implemented, is Trump’s position on abortion different than Romney’s?

  49. lisab says:

    romney’s position was to have the state pay for abotions under universal healthcare

  50. NYCmike says:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/a_new_gop_comes_out_swinging.html

    -Rep Stefanik has a bigger pair than both Mitt and “CG” combined……just so happens she is from NY as well……maybe its the water…..

  51. Tina says:

    Bl you should know that each federal agency has its own ig.

    You did not seem to have a problem with time when it came to Mulehead.

  52. Tina says:

    Poor Utah two globalist porkers and open border senators.

    Laura Ingraham
    @IngrahamAngle
    · 2h
    Today I’m reminded of how fortunate we are not to have Corker and Flake in the Senate. We only have to endure Romney’s self-righteous blather, and sometimes Sasse’s: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464396-romney-trump-requesting-biden-investigation-from-china-ukraine-wrong-and

  53. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – I never bought into the Russian collusion story at all so you must confused me with somebody else. I thought it was funny for two years you copied and posted tweets that promised the imminent” release of the IG Report.

    I was reading an article that says Steve Bannon thinks the Deep State theory is b.s. I am worried that I agree with Bannon on something.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    I love Romney criticizing Trump. I do not believe Trump should be impeached. Both can be true.

  55. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    John Kerry is about the best candidate the centralist Democrats have to replace Biden. He expressed an interest in running in 2020 last year. Given Biden’s mental acuity problems, and now his son’s Ukrainian issues, believe he likely is going to be pushed out of the race soon. Kerry will announce, with strong Democratic establishment support.

  56. Tgca says:

    The 47% probably think Romney is a privileged racist white male who could care less about people of color.

    More than 47% of US polled folks do not think Trump should be impeached.

    Both can be true!

  57. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    55. “Poor Utah two globalist porkers and open border senators.”

    Shall we compare the economic growth rates and quality of life of California and Utah? A recent poll shows the majority of people in California have considered leaving the state. By contrast Utah has a booming economy and thriving middle class. I live part time in both states, and the contrast could not be more stark. If the rest of the country was doing as well as Utah now is; Trump would never have been elected.

    As far as being “porkers”; Hill Air Force base in Utah is one of the most important air bases in the country. It is the major base of the F-35 combat jets (it took its 400th delivery this year); which are mobilized out of Hill when there is a crisis, two wings were sent to the Mideast just a couple of months ago.

    Taking funding from Hill Air Force base to build Trump’s wall was idiotic. Its not about pork its about national security.

  58. Tgca says:

    Romney accused Trump of being a fake and fraud shortly before Trump was elected.

    Romney groveled to Trump for the job SOS after Trump was elected.

    Both can be true!

  59. Tgca says:

    Romney supported a woman’s right to abortion while running for office in MA.

    Romney was against abortion while running for POTUS.

    Both can be true!

  60. lisab says:

    Romney supported a woman’s right to abortion while running for office in MA.
    ———————————————

    he supported the state paying for abortion

    romneycare pays for abortions

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I dislike Romney’s grandstanding, and could not support him for president in 2020. The irony is he is playing up to the left, who would immediate turn around and again call him a “vulture capitalist and an evil ogre if he ever were to become a candidate. He is too dim to realize this fact.

  62. Tgca says:

    Romney loved his dog.

    Romney behaved recklessly and carelessly by driving 12 hours with his dog strapped to the roof of his vehicle.

    Both can be true!

  63. Tgca says:

    63. LisaB

    Romney went further than state paying for abortions…check out the videos on YouTube where he says he supports the abortion law.

    “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose,” Romney said during a 2002 debate against Democratic gubernatorial opponent Shannon O’Brien. “I am not going to change our pro-choice laws in Massachusetts in any way. I am not going to make any changes which would make it more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself.”

  64. Tgca says:

    From 2002, Romney repeatedly talks about in this video how he is for the right for a woman to choose and admits he has the EXACT same position on abortion that the Dem candidate has. At one point he says his position has always been the same his entire career and goes back to referencing 1970 and his mom. There are videos from the 1994 MA senate debate where he makes similar statements. …. and there are also videos on YouTube where he later says he was wrong on his past abortion positions …when he decided to run for POTUS.

    Ted Kennedy had it right on Romney from their 1994 debate. Romney is multi choice.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

  65. Tina says:

    “I thought it was funny for two years you copied and posted tweets that promised the imminent” release of the IG Report.”

    Seriously, do you even read what you write?

  66. Tina says:

    Quittens also supported romney care aka obumbler care light.

    He is a Rino.

  67. Bitterlaw says:

    I know you went on and on about an IG report in 2017 and 2018.

    You are not a Republican. You do not get to decide who is a RINO.

  68. Hugh says:

    Bitter is right. I get to decide who is a rino. Romney is a rino.

  69. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I checked. Uncritical worship of Trump is not required to be a Republican.

    I think that Trump is a RINO since his political donations to Schumer, Hillary and Reid disqualified him from ever being higher than RINO status even before his AFL-CIO trade policies did.

  70. Phil says:

    Don’t care about Romney. Just want him to send my money back from 2012.

  71. Bitterlaw says:

    Quittens also supported romney care

    So did the (conservative) Heritage Foundation. Tina always leaves that part out.

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    I registered as a Republican on my 18th birthday in 1986. 33 years in the GOP and only now do I find out that the cornerstone of the party is unwavering and silent support of Donald Trump.

  73. Victrc says:

    Bitter. I’ve been a registered republican all my life.

    I worked hard and went out and supported ten candidates in 10, raising money for all. I raised a lot of Money for Romney in 12.

    He did not govern as a conservative while leading Massachusetts.

    Trump has governed as a Conservative on more issues than would have Romney if he had been elected.

    Romney is still a Republican, but he’s squishy (Rockefeller Repubkican)

    Blind devotion to Trump is not needed to be called a Republican, but we all know Romney is angling to potentially be the nominee if Trump falters and is impeached.

    All can be true

  74. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – The Dem legislature had supermajorities when Romney was Governor. How was he supposed to govern as a conservative?

    I listed my 5 choices if Trump was removed from office. Romney was one of them.

  75. Tina says:

    Larry Schweikart
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    Someone asking Biteme questions.

    He looks like he’s gonna go Full Corn Pop.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    Bernie had a heart attack. I do not think he will drop out. He will just yell at his heart until it behaves.

  77. Speaking of California, the state with the highest percentage of people living in poverty in the nation — does everything it can to make their lives miserable:

    “In the past seven days, the average price for a gallon of gas in California has jumped $0.27 per gallon to $4.16, according to the latest AAA Gas Prices data.” That compares with the national average of $2.66.

    The reason gas prices are so high in California is the state’s environmental requirements. California gas has to be made of a special blend. Oil is imported from foreign countries to a few refineries on the west coast. If a refinery closes for repair, or there is an international crisis, California prices skyrocket. Obama should be proud, he once predicted that gasoline prices would of necessity have to skyrocket to meet his environmental goals.

  78. Victrc says:

    Bitter

    Point taken, still, at this point in time I think there are many other republicans I would prefer to see in the whites house before Romney. I don’t like what he’s doing. I can say that and still not be a Trump psychofant (sic)

  79. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING: NY Times

    “2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings
    The official, a member of the intelligence community, was interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the original whistle-blower’s account.”

    If I were this person, I would probably do the same to wrap myself in the “whistleblower” flag and not be busted for a leaking felony.

  80. VictrC says:

    Sheeple.

    So what? The whole world already knows what was said, and there was nothing improper with it. So what’s the need for the second “whilstleblower”. No offense, but Biden did way worse. Now, Trump should never have brought it up, ever, but let’s be honest, Biden used his position to benefit his son. Straight up.

  81. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    VictrC:
    I could not agree more. First, the NY Times goes with a “maybe” story.Shoddy journalism! Second, the facts are already known. Unfortunately, it creates more media noise and extends the story that had been losing its Big Mo.

  82. Phil says:

    I paid $2.23 a gallon this afternoon at my gas station.

  83. Hugh says:

    In the morning huge terrible new information showing trump is doomed. By evening most of the new info is debunked. Dems and press regroup with new charges in the morning to be debunked in the evening. Repeat repeat. It’s exhausting. Fox News has been exposed. Wallace cavuto shep the judge and all their never Trumper Republicans. I watch less and less and never go to their website. If they are smart they need to make changes or they will go the way of cnn.

  84. Tina says:

    $4.32 in SF today.

    This was for regular.

    I am on fixed income.

  85. Bitterlaw says:

    The problem is that Biden can be a criminal AND Trump can still be impeached. Both can be true.

    I do not understand the wish for an impeachment trial as if it would be a benefit for Trump. The senate could fail to remove him but what comes out could doom his re-election. I do not think Trump should impeached or removed from office but the “pass the popcorn” crowd may regret what they wished for.

  86. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

    -Funny picture with Trump and Romney on top of page!

  87. Phil says:

    The problem we are facing here in Texas is that Californians are flocking here to get away from the cost of living in Ca. Nothing wrong with that except they are bringing their lefty politics with them. They are attracted to our results of conservative policies but then will vote liberal to turn Texas into California, the very place they fled from.

  88. Victrc says:

    Phil

    You’ve got that right. Austin was long gone but now they are invading other parts. San Antonio is just about gone and now even the outlying areas between are being overrun with Californians. If you go to west lake in south Austin it’s like being in LA, no joke

  89. jason says:

    Glenn Reynolds:

    Mitt has proved a disappointment. His behavior has been small, selfish, and cowardly.”

    Yep.

  90. lisab says:

    Quittens also supported romney care

    So did the (conservative) Heritage Foundation.
    —————-

    so they support abortion paid for by the state

    who knew that was a conservative position?

  91. lisab says:

    i hate that as a free citizen of the united states

    and as a bi woman

    am not allowed to play online poker

    what is up with that?

  92. lisab says:

    i am off to nevada this thanksgiving and how am i going to practice?

  93. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    88. “The senate could fail to remove him but what comes out could doom his re-election. I do not think Trump should impeached or removed from office but the “pass the popcorn””

    Maybe so, but Bill Clinton’s political position was strengthened by impeachment.

    However, if Trump was attempting to damage Biden, and get him out of the race, it may result in John Kerry taking his place as the centralist candidate. Trump may have inadvertently helped the Democrats run a stronger candidate against him in 2020 — one without Biden’s gaffes and mental cloudiness.

  94. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    If the DOJ wants to find a bunch of White House leakers over the past three years, it should start with the cabal of “whistleblowers” tasked to the White House by the intelligence communities.
    If deposed by the GOP, the first questions asked of them should be their media contacts over this time.

  95. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, unless something comes out far more than this phone call, Impeachment is good for Trump. You are right, if somehow something really bad is discovered then yes that could damage Trump. However it seems to me that the Dems have been searching for 3 years for something really bad. They are running out of time.

    Of course the big elephant in the closet is what is going on with Barr and Durham. In addition, it probably won’t meet Sean Hannity’s expectations, but the DOJIG report may be quite damaging to the Democrats.

    By the way, this new whistleblower stuff is silly. I know the NYT breathlessly reported we have a person who come forward who was more involved with Ukraine, but we already have a transcript of the actual conversation. Talk about miss direction.

    Finally Bitter, I have empathy for you. You are a never Trumper at heart but one who is smart enough to know you have to pull that lever for him. It makes you bitter, Bitter.

  96. dblaikie says:

    Lisab, when you go to Vegas, stick to Craps. It is the only game in the house with honest odds. If you are feeling negative waves (best bet) go with the don’t pass and don’t come line. If you are positive go the other way and try to get 3 numbers working for you. Finally if you are feeling lucky bet the yeo 11 on the come out.

  97. Hugh says:

    99. One other thing you must bet behind the line to get decent odds overall.

  98. dblaikie says:

    Hugh, yes of course! Only true odds in the entire Casino.

  99. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Pretty good news for the President and bad news for Biden in this just-released monthly IBD/ TIPP Poll. Trump’s approval is up by 4% and 60% want Biden’s Ukrainian dealings investigated.
    The IBD/ TIPP Poll has been one of the most unfriendly toward Trump.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/ibdtipp-poll-presidential-approval-direction-of-country/

  100. jason says:

    Rep. Lee Zeldin says Kurt Volker put a ‘dagger to the heart of Schiff’s impeachment fairytale’

  101. jason says:

    Quittens also supported romney care

    So did the (conservative) Heritage Foundation. Tina always leaves that part out.”

    Yep, Romney is a scumbag MSM toadie who has sold away his principles so he can be popular with the same people who destroyed his candidacy. Everyday I find him more despicable.

    But the “Romneycare” canard is exactly that, a canard. The original bill supported by Romney in MA was very different from the bill that the overwhelmingly Dem legislature ultimately passed (over Romney’s vetoes, btw).

    And I see Tgca is bringing the dog canard back too.

    “Romney behaved recklessly and carelessly by driving 12 hours with his dog strapped to the roof of his vehicle.”

    BS.

  102. jason says:

    I don’t think impeachment is positive for Trump either. Bitter is right about that. Too many people still watch the MSM and are influenced by it.

    The biggest negative, of course, is that the country will just focus on this and ignore a lot more important issues, and the Trump administration/Congress itself will essentially be paralyzed while this is happening.

    But it is what it is. This is a war that started the day Trump took office, and that is why I have supported his war against the MSM from day 1. I have even said he probably cannot win the war, but it has to be fought. This impeachment attempt is even more flimsy than the Mueller charage, but it is what the Dems have. The know it, so they are trying the BS baffles brains approach.

  103. Tina says:

    He also puts the A in AMORAL Scumbag. If you despise somebody, why do you keep trying to get a cabinet position or his endorsement?

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    7m
    Mitt Romney never knew how to win. He is a pompous “ass” who has been fighting me from the beginning, except when he begged me for my endorsement for his Senate run (I gave it to him), and when he begged me to be Secretary of State (I didn’t give it to him). He is so bad for R’s!

  104. jason says:

    Not even liberals are buying the NYT hit piece on Kavanaugh:

    “The latest book on Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a critical biography from two New York Times reporters that made new sexual assault charges that were immediately undermined, has suffered an epic sales crash, according to publishing insiders.

    Expected to sell at least 10,000-12,000 in the first two weeks and propel The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation onto the newspaper’s bestseller hardcover list, it has sold about a third of that in the first two weeks.

    A publishing source provided the latest BookScan numbers, which can account for about 80% of sales. That number is 3,120. “If you add in ebooks — they may have sold a total of 4,000. That’s one of the most epic bombs in political publishing over the past decade,” said the source.

    By comparison, another Kavanaugh book, Justice on Trial: The Kavanaugh Confirmation and the Future of the Supreme Court, which details the Democratic war on the Trump nominee, has sold 60,000 books and a total of 100,000 copies since its July 9 debut. It was written by Mollie Hemingway and Carrie Severino and published by Regnery.”

  105. jason says:

    When you lose a commie like Van Jones….

    Lose-lose? LOL

    “So I think, you know, you get crosscurrents in this thing. At the same time, the Democrats are in a lose-lose situation, and if they don’t do something, their own base is going to feel disappointed and you feel like maybe Trump gets away too much. If you go through with the impeachment though, you can divide the country further, you take the oxygen away from your candidates, and you still don’t solve the problem of foreign interference,” Jones said.”

  106. Phil says:

    Yeah, the whole strategy of the Democrats and their useful idiot allies the Never Trumpers is to weaken Trump’s reelection prospects by a 24/7 impeachment barrage. Coordinated with their MSM pals it will hurt Trump with some swing voters. How much is the question. It also has some potential to solidify Trump’s base who are increasingly irate about the coup attempts over the last three years, and angry over the dirty tactics of the left towards Kavanaugh and Trump.

    Noticed some brought up the name of John Kerry yesterday as a replacement for Biden should, or I should say, when he drops out of the race. I would point out that Kerry will turn 76 in December and be 77 on Jan 20th 2021.

  107. Tina says:

    Never once did Quittens complain about the obumbler targeting trumps presidential campaign.

    Never once did Quittens complain about Schiffty seeking Russian help to get Nekid pics of trump.

    Never once did Quittens mention anything about schiffty seeking the Ukrainians government help with dirt on trump.

    Quittens is a fraud.

  108. Tina says:

    Solidifies his base to 95/96 approval.

    Phuq the never trumpets that remain. They wanted Hillary to win last time. Many of them are actual Ds anyway.

    In some states like Michigan, cnn sent a camera crew and those interviews, UAW Workers, were livid at the drats.

  109. Victrc says:

    I’d like to point out a few things about Kerry jumping into the race:

    A. He’s lost once before.
    B. He’s a pompous ass, I don’t see that playing well
    C. He’s not moderate at all. Well, maybe when compared to this group, but he will be exposed for what he is.
    4. He’ll be tied to the worst parts of Obama
    E. The liberal base will be outraged
    6. He’s a white male and jumps in the race late. That’s going to enrage some D voters
    Lastly and most important – does anyone think Hillary won’t lose her mind if someone else jumps into the race instead of her. How exactly do you think Hillary voters will feel since they think if anyone should join the race it’s her since she’s entitled to the Presidency.

  110. Tina says:

    Aoc, who claims now to be done with or “over” impeachment, insists that trump is anti Semitic because of the article below:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    @AOC
    · 1h
    Understand that Trump is engaged in deliberate, atrocious, targeted antisemitism towards Chairman Schiff.

    Then ask yourself why no one cares to denounce it – esp when his accusation of it towards others drove full news cycles earlier this year. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/04/trump-anti-semitic-impeachment/

  111. John says:

    Just read the Kurt Volker testimony…all 11 pages.
    Actually exonerates President Trump in a couple of instances…blows the Democrat narrative out of the water…but also gives a character witness for Mr. Biden.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/428765582/Full-Statement-from-U-S-Ukraine-Envoy-Ambassador-Kurt-Volker-on-October-3-2019

  112. Bitterlaw says:

    DB – I was never a Never Trumper. I thought the Never Trumpers were delusional in being willing to accept Hillary. Trump was, is and always will be scum but the real world sucks. Sometimes you have to go with scum.

  113. Tina says:

    Another Rino destroyed…

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    4h
    One side encourages antifa, cancel culture, weaponized the intelligence and law enforcement agencies and is trying to overthrow an elected President and you’re worried about using the right butter knife. Please clap
    Quote Tweet

    Jeb Bush
    @JebBush
    · 14h
    I am curious, how do you tell a grandchild (or child if you are younger) to not use profane language when the President of the US and many other public figures use profanity regularly?

  114. Phil says:

    I don’t know, Jeb. Why don’t you ask Beto. He seems to be the one in love with the F word. Of course not a word from you over the last three months about that. Typical.

  115. NYCmike says:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/democrats_contempt_for_the_sanctity_of_life.html

    -According to “CG”, Trump, whose pro-life positions as President has (used this word for Wes) been exemplary, is worse than any of the candidates from the Democratic side.

  116. NYCmike says:

    “I am curious, how do you tell a grandchild (or child if you are younger) to not use profane language when the President of the US and many other public figures use profanity regularly?”

    -Wow! No wonder “CG” worships this guy! JEB is another person who looks to political leaders to be their moral guide!

  117. Tina says:

    Somebody suggested that Jeb should read the New Testament and stop pretending that he has read it.

  118. Tina says:

    I’m old enough to remember when members of the US intel community didn’t work to overthrow the government. I mean, not ours anyway.

  119. Victrc says:

    Tina

    I can tell you members of the intel community abhorred Clinton who decimated the services. He pitted one against the other, fostered an atmosphere where they didn’t cooperate at all yet NO ONE tried to overthrow him. Obama agents in the intel services are actively trying to do that to Trump.

    This is literally what a coup detat looks like

  120. dblaikie says:

    After of all the sound and fury of this past week, the truth is that the Democrats have nothing more than the transcript of a phone that at worst was not smart politically. Everything else concerning Ukraine is nothing but noise.

    The Subpoenas that went out yesterday are nothing but a fishing expedition that nails home the above point. Nancy and company having nothing, and they are desperately trying to find something.

    If they go ahead and vote articles of Impeachment on this transcript alone, it will be a huge overreach and a great blunder. That is why I stand by my statement that unless something else is found that reveals that Trump is a hideous criminal, Impeachment (at the present) is good for Trump, and a disaster for Democrats.

  121. lisab says:

    “I am curious, how do you tell a grandchild (or child if you are younger) to not use profane language when the President of the US and many other public figures use profanity regularly?”

    perhaps he should learn the difference between profanity and vulgarity

  122. Victrc says:

    Dbl and everyone

    I’m beginning to think more and more that articles of impeachment was never Pelosi end game. I think that her strategy to satisfy the base is to open the inquiry, as she’s done, and then have the Press peddle it to average Americans as if he’s being impeached.

    With the narrative being sent out by the MSM I bet most Americans think he’s being impeached or even already impeached and therefore guilty

    I would bet articles of impeachment never come out u less they find that smoking gun they have been looking for years for.

  123. NYCmike says:

    “With the narrative being sent out by the MSM I bet most Americans think he’s being impeached or even already impeached and therefore guilty”

    -The NPR speaker this morning made a statement to the affect “any refusal by Trump administration to hand over documents is proof of a coverup”.

  124. dblaikie says:

    Victrc, I agree. However the question is will the base be satisfied without a vote being taken, and will the press be able to peddle it?

    First of all there is a great difference between Trump’s letter and the video of Biden. The letter is open to interpretation obviously. However that video is clear, if you want a billion dollars fire that persecutor. Even if you think Biden has done nothing wrong, there is no doubt that he is demanding a quid pro quo. The more the video is played the better it is for Trump.

    As far as a vote being taken, Nancy, for all her brilliance according the the media, has put her party between a rock and a hard place. If there is no vote her radical base will cry for blood (literally). If there is a vote most clear thinking people will see the overreach.

    In fact your point helps with understanding polling. In a poll of all adults those people who don’t care enough to vote can be persuaded by the media. Yet likely voters are made up of partisans on each side, and group of folks who want to be informed before they vote. It is likely voters who determine the outcome of elections.

  125. dblaikie says:

    Of course I meant Trump’s phone call and not letter.

  126. Tina says:

    This will trigger

    ald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5m
    I’m hearing that the Great People of Utah are considering their vote for their Pompous Senator, Mitt Romney, to be a big mistake. I agree! He is a fool who is playing right into the hands of the Do Nothing Democrats! #IMPEACHMITTROMNEY

  127. jason says:

    I think that is stupid.

    Just gives Romney what he wants, media attention.

  128. Phil says:

    Exactly. Should be ignoring the clown. Not very smart.

  129. Victrc says:

    Jason/Phil

    Couldn’t agree more. He’s his own worst enemy. Everything thought Romney was a jerk for saying what he’s been saying, now some will give Romney sympathy that he doesn’t deserve

    Dumb move

    Oh wait…I thought we all blindly followed him and never questioned him.

  130. BayernFan says:

    No. Go after Romney. Don’t ignore him. Give him more attention than he can handle. Make him look like an idiot. Trump knows how to handle people like Romney. Emasculate them.

  131. BayernFan says:

    Why should Trump get attacked and not be allowed to trash back? I’ve never understood that thinking. Trump will brand him. Rank and file GOP voters will love it. Romney will get an earful from his constituents. He’s not used to that.

  132. Hugh says:

    I’m not sure. I feel like we r in uncharted territory

  133. BayernFan says:

    Ridicule and/or demonise your opponents. That’s what Dems have done forever. Trump is the first republican in my lifetime that understands this and doesn’t go develop Stockholm syndrome. I love it. Romney is a hypocrite arse and loser.

  134. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Jack Posobiec blows hot and cold with his BIG scoops, but if this one pans out, BOOM!!
    He will shortly release a photogragh of the two CIA “whistleblowers” leaving a meeting with the Democrat Intel Committee staff. One is a male and the other female. They are photograghed with transcripts in hand. He knows their names from his prior CIA career.

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec

  135. NYCmike says:

    “He’s his own worst enemy.”

    -People keep saying this……why?

    He has been very successful being who he is.

    He did not attack Romney, until AFTER Romney decided to express fake outrage at how Trump deals with people.

    Trump’s worst enemy is the Democratic Party/media cabal that has not allowed him to conduct his administration with the same freedom that any Democrat would have been given, and he is RIGHTFULLY pissed off about it. Romney should be one of his biggest allies in that regard, seeing as how that same political/media cartel destroyed him in 2012.

  136. NYCmike says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7538227/Cat-needs-glucose-drip-mating-five-females-single-night.html

    -Wes, taking a cue from Minerva McGonagall of Harry Potter lore, has learned how to transfigure himself!

  137. lisab says:

    romney, kerry and hillary all want to be president

    if i were a russian billionaire, i’d dangle money just to watch them dance

  138. lisab says:

    of the three …

    i think kerry may actually have the most integrity

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden’s political strength is his ability to carry the African-American vote; am not sure if Kerry will obtain the level of support of African-Americans that Biden has.

  140. lisab says:

    kerry probably wont run

    his wife controls the money, and i don’t think they are seen together much these days

    now hillary …

    she wants it bad, and the bribes have dried up since she lost, she could well jump in if warren stumples some more

  141. Tina says:

    Never forget, Quittens praises Antifa several times.

    The president will attack back everyone who attacks him.

    His style.

    If impeachment happens, the turtle should dismiss it outright.

    Sadsehole and Quittens will be opposed. They want a trial.

    The Ukraine thing impacts corruption on both sides.

  142. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Hillary knows she had the election stolen from her by the devious Russians. Even then, she still won because she carried the popular vote. Only Hillary can defeat the sinister Russian stooge, Trump, therefore she MUST run.

  143. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump forever waived any right to be respected by anybody when he attacked McCain’s war record. Romney is right. Trump has no integrity. Attacking Trump is merited. However, Romney and Trump should stop this soon. My vote will count in Trump’s favor in 2020 but I will be relieved to never see his name on a ballot again.

    Jason to say Romney has no integrity for correctly pointing out that Trump is a scumbag bully who can’t take it in 3…2…1…

  144. Robbie says:

    I’m glad MAGAdaddy is still able to find time in his busy schedule of watching FoxNews and playing golf to rage tweet profanities. That’s leadership.

  145. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 5, 2019 at 8:24 pm
    Hillary knows she had the election stolen from her by the devious Russians. Even then, she still won because she carried the popular vote. Only Hillary can defeat the sinister Russian stooge, Trump, therefore she MUST run.

    – The president of the Peter Navarro fan club has some thoughts.

  146. Hugh says:

    My view is different than Bitter ‘s. Trump is an as s no doubt but this is much bigger than trump and the Republicans must do what the dems do unite for the bigger cause. If we lose in 2020 every rep president will suffer the fate of bush destroyed by not fighting or destroyed by fighting. Any sane person would be livid being treated the way trump was for three years. Being a gentleman won’t work. Aka bush. And most Republicans refuse to get their hands dirty like the dems. Romney should be the bigger person suck it up and win in 2020.

  147. Robbie says:

    I’m going to get a lot of enjoyment watching Boomer Phil and Jason fraud cry like babies with crap filled diapers when President Warren declares a national emergency to take money appropriated by Congress for a project to fund her national healthcare plan or when President Warren stands on the south lawn of the White House and asks Cuba for dirt on Rubio if he happens to be the 2024 nominee.

    Too bad neither was upset when Conman Donnie did it. But it’s important to remember they believe principles and ethics or matter when Democrats control the presidency. When Donnie is president, he can do those things because of muh socialism or whatever other moronic excuse pops in their heads.

  148. Robbie says:

    Hugh says:
    October 5, 2019 at 9:54 pm
    My view is different than Bitter ‘s. Trump is an as s no doubt but this is much bigger than trump and the Republicans must do what the dems do unite for the bigger cause. If we lose in 2020 every rep president will suffer the fate of bush destroyed by not fighting or destroyed by fighting. Any sane person would be livid being treated the way trump was for three years. Being a gentleman won’t work. Aka bush. And most Republicans refuse to get their hands dirty like the dems. Romney should be the bigger person suck it up and win in 2020.

    – Go stick your head in an ice bath. You slapdicks will believe anything your MAGAdaddy tells you.

  149. Robbie says:

    Thank goodness the prefect Ukraine call was all Rick Perry’s fault.

    Now, Trump can resume playing golf and rage tweeting profanities.

  150. Bitterlaw says:

    I find Trump to be reprehensible. I do not want him to be impeached or removed from office. I want him to win in 2020. The real world sucks so Trump has to be tolerated.

  151. Robbie says:

    No doubt mouth breathing Trump worshipper Jason fraud would have totally been ok with Jimmy Carter asking Brezhnev for dirt on Ronald Reagan in 1980.

  152. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    I find Trump to be reprehensible. I do not want him to be impeached or removed from office. I want him to win in 2020. The real world sucks so Trump has to be tolerated.

    – I want him impeached and removed from office. He’s corrupt and a disgrace and I won’t give him my tacit approval of his behavior by voting for him.

    If Trump is removed, Mike Pence becomes president and would have 13 months to win over the voters before the next election. Some seem not to remember that. If Trump chooses not to run, we can nominate Pence, Haley, or whomever else your heart desires.

    If Trump is the nominee, I want to see him suffer a humiliating defeat. That will be the only way to teach the mouth breathers a lesson. President Warren would be terrible for the country, but we survived Obama and we’ll survive her.

  153. Tina says:

    I want Hillary as President.

    -jebot

  154. Tina says:

    Schiffty shaping Gossip blower 2.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · 1h
    The first so-called second hand information “Whistleblower” got my phone conversation almost completely wrong, so now word is they are going to the bench and another “Whistleblower” is coming in from the Deep State, also with second hand info. Meet with Shifty. Keep them coming!

  155. Robbie says:

    “But muh judges” is not a remotely convincing argument to support a corrupt and disgraceful person like Trump, especially when Pence is in the on-deck circle and could potentially choose Nikki Haley as his VP.

    If you set the standard for impeachment and removal exceptionally high, you set the standard for acceptable behavior extremely low. That’s precisely what the Trump enablers are doing. And just remember, you’ll have excuse away plenty more over the next 13 months and you’ll have to lower the bar for acceptable behavior many more times.

  156. Tina says:

    “Going to the Bench.”

    Lol, and likely with a hat tip from the beach people.

  157. Hugh says:

    Robbie you’ve become one very nasty obnoxious person and from me that means a lot. I try very hard to be nice and respectful to all.

  158. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:19 pm
    I want Hillary as President.
    -jabot

    – Just so we’re clear, you’re an absolutely disgusting human being. You’re a conspiratorial nutcase. You ought to be in a padded room.

  159. Tina says:

    The socialist son hardest hit:

    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    Nikki Haley: I’m happy to support Trump re-election; president ‘has a record every American should be proud of.’

  160. Tina says:

    How is porn lawyah doing?

    – Just so we’re clear, you’re an absolutely disgusting human being. You’re a conspiratorial nutcase. You ought to be in a padded room.

  161. Phil says:

    Get some help, Robbie. Seriously, son. all that hatred is literally eating you alive. Life is too short.

  162. Robbie says:

    Hugh says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:22 pm
    Robbie you’ve become one very nasty obnoxious person and from me that means a lot. I try very hard to be nice and respectful to all.

    – I haven’t the least bit of interest in being respectful to Trump supporters who continually defend and enable a president who is rewriting the book on nasty, obnoxious behavior.

    Also, I notice you never write comments like this about Jason fraud who continually attacks in a nasty, obnoxious way anyone who speaks against the dear orange leader. I guess if you’re a shill and a sycophant for Trump, nasty, obnoxious behavior is ok.

  163. Tina says:

    50 to 46 percent in the ibp poll indicated that trumps statements on Ukraine are not impeachable.

    57 percent want China Biden and Crack Biden investigated va 37 percent that do not want.

    Source : Political Polls

  164. Tina says:

    This beotch is even sicker than the beotch that lost the 2016 election.

    Sally Yates
    @SallyQYates
    · Oct 4
    After being caught secretly strong arming Ukraine, POTUS is trying to hypnotize the American people into believing it can’t be wrong if he says it out loud.And if he actually thinks he has the “absolute right” to sic foreign powers on political rivals, he’s even more dangerous. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179925259417468928

  165. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:28 pm
    Get some help, Robbie. Seriously, son. all that hatred is literally eating you alive. Life is too short.

    – You know who is allowing hatred to eat him alive, Boomer Phil? You boy Trump. And oh by the way, he’s tearing down the Republican Party in the process. Or did you not notice the 40 House seats that corrupt fool cost us last November.

    The ones who need help are the fakes and the frauds like you who spent years puking up comments about conservatism and principles only to throw them all away to defend a corrupt, incompetent disgrace.

    If you were a remotely consistent person, you would be calling for Trump’s impeachment and removal, but, as I said, your conservative values and principles only apply when a Democrat is president.

  166. Tina says:

    Sources say that Gossip blower 2.0, schiffty, porn lawyah, and stormy were seen in the capitol building at noon today.

  167. Robbie says:

    How long before all of you “rule of law conservatives” decide actually a quid pro quo is a good thing.

  168. Tina says:

    Quittens is a Losah,

    He supports Antifa.

    He fired Ambassador Grennel in 2012 because the ambassador is gay.

    No lectures from this posee.

  169. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:34 pm
    Sources say that Gossip blower 2.0, schiffty, porn lawyah, and stormy were seen in the capitol building at noon today.

    – What happened to that indictment of Andrew McCabe you were promising a few weeks ago? Did muh deep state get to the grand jurors? Maybe Jim Hoft can look into that that, toots.

  170. Tina says:

    I wonder if the Jebot still loves F. Mulehead?

  171. Hugh says:

    Last comment. Since I avoid getting in peoples faces while I have frequently disagreed with Jason he has not made comments attacking me personally. Not once. I have lots of liberal friends I have them because I treat people respectfully.

  172. Phil says:

    Again, relax, Robbie. Your rage tonight isn’t effecting anyone but you, my friend. As far as impeachment you know very well a party line vote in the House to impeach isn’t going to matter one bit. The Senate isn’t going to remove him. It will have to be done at the ballot box so in 13 months you can “run not walk” down to the polls and vote for Elizabeth Warren or whatever moonbat the other side puts out there and vent all your frustrations. In the meantime chill the hell out. It isn’t healthy to be in a rage Like this.

  173. Phil says:

    I thought Biden already said quid pro quo was a good thing..

  174. Tina says:

    It is not a quid pro quo.

    It is a quid pro Joe.

    An example is:

    FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor

  175. Phil says:

    I see AOC says any attack on Schiff is anti semitic.

    Good Lord.

  176. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    177, Robbie’s tantrums are humorous. Maybe he can’t find the keys to his safe space room, so he just goes off. Its good entertainment.

  177. Tina says:

    Has lord Arsenal done any polls on impeachment?

  178. Tina says:

    Lord Arsehat*

  179. Paul says:

    Go back to your echo chamber, everyone. Don’t worry about Trump unraveling. It will be fine. Just relax. 2020 will be a piece of cake for Trumpie and the GOP.

  180. Michael corleone says:

    I hope wobble isn’t a lawyer because he clearly can’t tell the difference between material and immaterial issues. Trump’s behavior has absolutely no material effect on my life while his policies have a very material positive effect on my life. Warren’s polices on the other hand would permanently and materially change the country in a socialist direction and have a devastating impact on my life. Her presidential “manners” won’t ease the pain.

  181. Phil says:

    185

    Wow. Well said. Nail on head.

  182. Paul says:

    Biggest effect a presidency has is on my healthcare. As long as Trump is a failure at changing this, he at least has no negative effect on that part of my life.

  183. lisab says:

    robbie and the trolls would not be so upset if he thought trump would lose in a year

  184. lisab says:

    Ukraine was the LARGEST Foreign Donor to the Clinton “Foundation” Between 1999-2014

  185. lisab says:

    It will have to be done at the ballot box so in 13 months you can “run not walk” down to the polls and vote for Elizabeth Warren
    —————————————-

    and this is the reason why this is not going well for the dems

    trump has the very valid argument that democracy has a way to remove a president … by voting

  186. Paul says:

    When the fraudulent and traitorous Trump is defeated in 2020 will be one of the best days of my life. When they have to forcibly remove him in January 2021 will be another.

  187. lisab says:

    “If you look around the world, President Trump has a record every American should be proud of,” she said. “In the Middle East, the ISIS caliphate has been destroyed, and we’ve stopped handing billions in cash to Iran that it used to fund terrorism. The North Korean regime is no longer testing long-range missiles. America is once again treating the Cuban dictatorship like the pariah it is, and Maduro’s days are numbered in Venezuela.”

    She added, “America is strong again, and it’s because of President Trump’s decisions.”

    sarah palin

  188. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since Trump was inaugurated, the constant drum beat from trolls has been Trump was about to be driven out of office. They were anxiously waiting until the Mueller report came out; they though Avenatti was going to be there savior. We are about at 2020, and Trump is still in office — as crazy and controversial as ever.

    Like Clinton, Trump will be impeached by the House, but the Senate will not convict him. He will be in office until early 2021 — and longer if he gets re-elected. If the choice is between Trump and a socialist or Hillary again, Trump has a good chance of being re-elected. The Trump is doomed crowd will then have until 2024 to continue to predict the pending demise of his presidency.

  189. Bitterlaw says:

    My daughter introduced me to a new group. Pretty fun.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tK_9hkWigYs

  190. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    187. “Biggest effect a presidency has is on my healthcare. As long as Trump is a failure at changing this, he at least has no negative effect on that part of my life.”

    Hey Paul, the person who is going to effect your health care is Warren. She wants all Americans to be covered under a government health plan, and she also has endorsed OAC’s request that it apply to illegal immigrants. That means millions of people who are in the country illegally will be covered, as well as anyone who crosses the border — which millions are likely to do to obtain free health care.

    The burden on the health care system will be enormous, get ready to wait in line. Like in England, you may have to wait months to see a doctor for non-emergency care. And have questionable emergency care.

  191. Wes says:

    Impeaching Trump is the worst thing politically the House can do. It gives Trump—who was previously on political life support ahead of flatlining—a chance to recover by highlighting the foolishness of the impeachment and boosts GOP prospects of regaining the House.

    It’s not a good move for Pelosi.

  192. Wes says:

    I would have thought Pelosi would have engaged in a repeat of 2007, where she flirted with letting the House impeach GWB—who, let’s face it, may well have lost a conviction vote in the Senate with his comically low approval rating—but never actually let the House impeach him.

    If the House does impeach Trump this year, I expect the House to flip and Trump to go at least to 50/50 on re-election.

  193. lisab says:

    trump is already 50-50

    at least according to the betting sites

  194. Victrc says:

    I agree. I think as it stands Trump is 50/50 for re-election and the further left the Dems go it increases. If they actually draw up articles of impeachment it will not only go up more, but sadly, it will mean that whenever a political party wants to overturn the results of an election they don’t like, this will happen.

    It’s an awful precedent, because that is, in effect, why they are doing this. They can’t believe they lost the election in 2016.

  195. Victrc says:

    CC

    200

  196. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Did Ben McAdams(D-UT) just commit political suicide? I believe so unless Mrs. Love runs again.One thing about Pelosi, she gets her minions to walk the plank. Maybe he will receive Romney’s endorsement.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eight-house-democrats-holding-out-against-impeachment-inquiry-after-rep-ben-mcadams-flips

  197. Wes says:

    Trump isn’t popular in UT-4, so McAdams may not have committed political suicide depending on intensity of feeling toward Trump among his constituents.

  198. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes #202
    True, but swing voters in general detest the impeachment process, the District is R+13 and in a great Democrat year, he beat a failed Republican incumbent by under 1,000 votes.
    Friendly bet, McAdams is gone in 2021 and will lose his re-election by 5+%.

  199. Bitterlaw says:

    I share Robbie and Corey’s contempt for Trump but not their delusion that anybody else is going to be (or should be) the Republican nominee in 2020.

    I share the goal of nearly everybody here that Trump should be re-elected. I have no enthusiasm for his crude antics but beating Democrats is what matters.

    I do not believe in Deep State conspiracies. I do not think Trump did anything to merit impeachment. Both can be true.

    I am not a Never Trumper or an Only and Always Trumper. This A-hole stands alone.

  200. dblaikie says:

    Take note, fellow posters, my friend Wes has moved! What a difference 11 months makes. Who can forget the pronouncement that Trump’s reelection was dead the day after the 2018 vote. And now today we are at 50/50. I always tried to warn folks that 2 years is a long time and lots of stuff can happen.

    In fact, more stuff is going to happen and that is what makes this election up in the air. However with the events of this week, and particularly with the rise of Warren, I would put Trump’s reelection at 80%. I can just see the ads now: “Vote for Warren and destroy your 401K.” “Vote for Warren and put Gov. bureaucrats in charge of your health care.” I could go on and on.

    I will make one prediction (educated guess) today and say that with the implosion of Biden and the rise of Warren, the dems are going to desperately find a “white knight”to ride in and save them. Oh how I hope it is Hilary or Kerry. Even Michele O would be fun.

    Finally Wes, don’t forget our bet. If Trump wins I get a bottle of Highland Park Single Malt. If he loses I send you your favorite wine.

  201. dblaikie says:

    “Vote for Warren and have your ability to bear arms get harder and harder each month.”

  202. dblaikie says:

    “Vote for Warren and you get to pay the health care of all illegal immigrants in our country.”

  203. dblaikie says:

    It is amazing how quickly the Democrats can produce these “whistleblowers!” First one is only hearsay and that got shot down. And now the second one “has more direct knowledge” of the events and the call to Ukraine. Who cares! Trump already released a transcript of the conversation.

  204. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #208- dk
    The Democrats are following the Kavanaugh playbook of bringing forward one so-called witness after another in order to keep the political fires burning and to give the appearance over time that something is seriously amiss.

  205. jason says:

    Nikki Haley: I’m happy to support Trump re-election; president ‘has a record every American should be proud of.’

    Amoral Scumbag hardest hit.

  206. jason says:

    If Amoral Scumbag were not such a despicable scumbag he would, despite his dislike for Trump, be defending him against this impeachment charade. Now he is even defending McCabe, it’s all for the cause.

    And of course, the minute Pence became President, Amoral Scumbag would be here pushing the MSM narrative that Pence should be impeached too so Pelosi could be President.

    Socialist 2020!

  207. Tina says:

    Excellent summary here and Quittens started this up in December or January., prior to him taking office.

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    40m
    Trump buried the hatchet, stood by a GOP candidate, and endorsed Mitt Romney’s Senate run.

    For that, invertebrate GOP est. capitulators ramped up their insults and subversion of Trump, led by Romney.

    When Trump hits back, these pussies stand behind the Reagan Rule.

  208. Tina says:

    This task force is very threatening——NOT

    Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    · 10h
    New ‘Impeachment Task Force’ Draws Anti-Trump Celebs Alyssa Milano, Debra Messing, And Rosie O’Donnell https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/04/impeachment-task-force-alyssa-milano-debra-messing-rosie-odonnell/…
    6:07 AM · Oct 6, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

  209. jason says:

    If Trump is the nominee, I want to see him suffer a humiliating defeat. That will be the only way to teach the mouth breathers a lesson. President Warren would be terrible for the country, but we survived Obama and we’ll survive her.”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag is really stupid. Trump will still be a billionaire if he loses, we are the ones that will be stuck with Warren.

    That is ok with Amoral Scumbag because screw the country, let’s “get Trump”.

    Moron.

  210. Tina says:

    And if Trump wins, we will get the obligatory post that “ I did not post this. My handle was stolen.”

    “If Trump is the nominee, I want to see him suffer a humiliating defeat. That will be the only way to teach the mouth breathers a lesson. President Warren would be terrible for the country, but we survived Obama and we’ll survive her.”

  211. Tina says:

    This may take Cia Chief Gena Hospel down. I never liked her.

    But she was the station chief in England when this happened.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/03/unauthorised-disclosure-claim-joe-hockey/amp/#click=https://t.co/8Denh5NcD3

  212. jason says:

    Jason to say Romney has no integrity”

    Right on.

    Romney is a despicable MSM toadie who has sold out every conservative principle he ever had in order to get positive headlines from the same people who destroyed his candidacy by lying about his record.

    I hope he runs just so I can re-register as R in PA to vote FOR Trump.

  213. Tina says:

    We need more Gossip blowers on Ukraine call. They will change the facts.

    -jebot

  214. Tina says:

    So, the Conpost allows China Biden to write an op ed on the Ukraine matter, where is son, Crack Biden benefitted financially.

    In the op ed, China Biden “forgets” to mention Ukraine.

  215. jason says:

    The second whistleblower did not file a complaint but has “first hand knowledge” supporting the second hand knowledge of the first whistleblower.

    Zzzzzzzz….

  216. Phil says:

    The drive by volcanic eruption last night bordered on epic. May have even reached Maxwell levels.

  217. Tina says:

    All the subsequent whislower blowers against Kavanaugh got more and more crazier.

  218. Victrc says:

    Lol at the celebrities task force

    They actually refer to themselves as “the resistance”. Aka the French who actually fought against the na zi Unreal how they actually compare fellow Americans to that because they won’t tow the liberal line

    Basically, if you don’t believe what we believe, then you’re a na zi.

    And they call Christians intolerant

  219. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 5, 2019 at 10:49 pm
    Again, relax, Robbie. Your rage tonight isn’t effecting anyone but you, my friend. As far as impeachment you know very well a party line vote in the House to impeach isn’t going to matter one bit. The Senate isn’t going to remove him. It will have to be done at the ballot box so in 13 months you can “run not walk” down to the polls and vote for Elizabeth Warren or whatever moonbat the other side puts out there and vent all your frustrations. In the meantime chill the hell out. It isn’t healthy to be in a rage Like this.

    – This is what I love so much about Boomer Phil. If anyone dares speak against Trump, that person is a liberal who watches the View and supports Elizabeth Warren. What a pile of absolute crap from a poser conservative.

    Yet, Boomer Phil’s sentiment perfectly defines the current demise of the conservative movement. It’s no longer about values and principles. It’s about cult-like obedience to a person and crapping on the press whenever the dear leader gets in trouble.

  220. Bitterlaw says:

    I feel badly for Jason. He claimed in 2016 that if I voted against Hillary I was really voting FOR Trump and everything he stood for. Fortunately, Radnor has sophisticated voting machines that use complicated algorithms that allow voting against a Dem to be counted as a vote in the Republican tally.

    In Nowhereville, York County,PA, Jason has to vote FOR dispaging war heroes, Wes-like treatment of women, unhinged tweets with nobodies, tariffs and trade wars.

  221. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 5, 2019 at 11:22 pm
    177, Robbie’s tantrums are humorous. Maybe he can’t find the keys to his safe space room, so he just goes off. Its good entertainment.

    – You also called my predictions that 2018 would be a disaster for Republicans and they could lose up to 40 House seats to be a tantrum. How’d that work out for you? Your favorite pollster, Rasmussen, lied to you repeatedly and you fell for it. Of course, you also think Peter Navarro is a respected economist so I’m not the least bit surprised.

  222. Bitterlaw says:

    Why is being a Baby Boomer an insult? I was born in 1858 so U just missed being in that generation. Good for Phil. I don’t know if I will attain his age.

  223. Tina says:

    Lol

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    23h
    Dear
    @MittRomney

    You owe me my vote. I want it back.

    You suck.

    Sincerely,

    A GOP Voter who never:

    – Tortured a dog

    – Outsourced a job

    – Sumitted to Democrat humiliation
    182
    1.8K
    5.7K

  224. Wes says:

    Wes-like treatment of women

    Really, Bitter?

    I’m not bragging about grabbing them between their legs.

  225. Tina says:

    The Weekly Socialist Standard….

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    It’s like having herpes. Except if you have herpes it means you’ve gotten laid before.
    Quote Tweet

    Eric Johnson #ORPUW
    @Ejbocfan
    · 9m
    Replying to @KurtSchlichter
    Does the weekly standard even exist anymore?
    8

  226. Robbie says:

    Michael corleone says:
    October 5, 2019 at 11:39 pm
    I hope wobble isn’t a lawyer because he clearly can’t tell the difference between material and immaterial issues. Trump’s behavior has absolutely no material effect on my life while his policies have a very material positive effect on my life. Warren’s polices on the other hand would permanently and materially change the country in a socialist direction and have a devastating impact on my life. Her presidential “manners” won’t ease the pain.

    – I think it’s cute the people who post in this forum actually believe the voters who decide elections actually vote on policy and not personality. It’s as if none of you have ever followed a presidential election before.

  227. Wes says:

    Bitter was born in 1858, huh?

    You’ve held up remarkably well for a 161-year-old man, Bitter. I wouldn’t want to live that long.

  228. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 6, 2019 at 3:06 am
    Impeaching Trump is the worst thing politically the House can do. It gives Trump—who was previously on political life support ahead of flatlining—a chance to recover by highlighting the foolishness of the impeachment and boosts GOP prospects of regaining the House.
    It’s not a good move for Pelosi.

    – Trump is circling the drain. He’s at 43% on a good day and those districts that went for the Democrats in 2018 went for them precisely because of Trump’s behavior and corruption.

    Democrats running in those districts will have a field day campaigning against a wildly unpopular president who has been impeached. And the poor Republicans who run in those districts will spend their time answering for every Trump controversy.

    But maybe it’s 1970.

  229. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 6, 2019 at 8:27 am
    I share Robbie and Corey’s contempt for Trump but not their delusion that anybody else is going to be (or should be) the Republican nominee in 2020.

    – I don’t believe someone else is going to be the 2020 nominee. I wish someone else was going to be the 2020 nominee, though.

  230. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 6, 2019 at 9:11 am
    It is amazing how quickly the Democrats can produce these “whistleblowers!” First one is only hearsay and that got shot down. And now the second one “has more direct knowledge” of the events and the call to Ukraine. Who cares! Trump already released a transcript of the conversation.

    – This is so laughable it could only come from this circus clown. The original whistleblower’s claims were validated by the release of the transcript and other documentation and admissions.

    Maybe spend more time understanding what a redemptive act actually is and less time convincing yourself supporting Trump is God’s will.

  231. Tina says:

    Gossip blower 2.0

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    7m
    “Whistleblower 2” thoughts:

    a) WB2 doesn’t appear to have submitted a formal WB complaint, so they’re NOT a WB

    b) Decent chance they’re one of the unnamed “officials” WB1 used as sources

    c) “Back up” of WB1 claims largely irrelevant, because allegations already had 6+ errors

  232. Bitterlaw says:

    1858? Now you know. Walt is my dad. I am one of his 1,237,508 children.

  233. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 6, 2019 at 10:27 am
    If Amoral Scumbag were not such a despicable scumbag he would, despite his dislike for Trump, be defending him against this impeachment charade.

    – It’s always important to remember in Jason fraud’s demented world the guy who screwed a porn star, had a year long affair with a playmate, is ethically corrupt, and had sexually assaulted at least 20 women is the morally righteous man while Mitt Romney, who has had just one wife and no scandals of any sort, is the morally corrupt man.

  234. Tina says:

    Notice how the slimes does not want an investigation into the origination of the muh Russian hoax. Fuhrer Mulehead did not investigate the origins.

    Fuhrer Mulehead said he did not even know of fusion gps and falsely referred to Mifsud as a Russian.

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    · 1h
    Attorney General William Barr’s trip to Italy last month generated criticism that he was doing the bidding of President Trump and micromanaging a supposedly independent Russia investigation https://nyti.ms/2IsBmVU
    Show this thread

  235. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes-like treatment of women

    I was only thinking of the serial infidelity and the fact that such behavior shows contempt for women. Cream soda, Wes.

  236. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 6, 2019 at 11:26 am
    Why is being a Baby Boomer an insult? I was born in 1858 so U just missed being in that generation. Good for Phil. I don’t know if I will attain his age.

    – Boomers have spent their entire existence destroying every institution they’ve gotten their hands on. And now, their white grievances have forced them to destroy the institution of the presidency by supporting an unfit idiot because he dumps on the press and is going to build a wall.

  237. Tina says:

    Gossip Blower 2.o iis in legal peril as is Gossip blower.

    Legal Insurrection
    @LegInsurrection
    ·
    1h
    Abuse of whistleblower protections. This person is simply a witness to someone else’s complaint who already has been interviewed. Weaponization of whistleblower laws is yet another breach of norms in effort to unwind 2016 election.

  238. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #235- Robbie Some were validated, others were wrong or fabricated

    #236- Tina I said this of Friday after the NY Times rumor. Sharyl Atkinsson, a real investigative reporter, says the same:

    “If you were worried or panicked that you might soon be revealed as an improper leaker, would you consider calling yourself a whistleblower — and get a lawyer?”

    5,644
    9:18 AM – Oct 6, 2019

  239. Tina says:

    Yes, they came to the embassy unannounced.” They were so “unannounced” that the embassy made preparations for their arrival. And this covers for reporting these days.

    Mark Mazzetti
    @MarkMazzettiNYT
    · 3h
    When Barr and Durham showed up in Rome late last month, diplomatic and intelligence officials at the American embassy there didn’t know what he was doing in Italy https://nyti.ms/2VhoHtV

  240. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t recall any flaming liberal posts from Phil. He never told hyped stories of being at Woodstock or following the Grateful Dead around in a VW bus painted in tie-dye patterns.

    Even thinking “inside the box” should allow Robbie to make distinctions within age groups.

  241. Tina says:

    Gossip,blower (original) is in legal peril because “he” committed perjury on his form.

    Gossip blower 2.0 is only backing up Gossip Blower 1.0

    The problem is that 1.0 had six major errors in his “story” dolled up by Schiffty, the Russian Stooge.

    The release of the call transcript is primary evidence that rebutted Gossipblower

  242. Tina says:

    Was China Biden and Crack Biden able to get Rudy pulled from the Tee vee. After all, Rudy is not a public official, according to China and Crack.

  243. Tina says:

    True, but it is well past time you put a stop to this and start investigating. You run a committee. Quit Goobering.

    Lindsey Graham
    @LindseyGrahamSC
    · 36m
    When it comes to “more whistleblowers coming forward”…………..I’ve seen this movie before — with Brett #Kavanaugh.

    More and more doesn’t mean better or reliable.

    https://cnn.com/2019/10/06/politics/second-whistleblower-trump-ukraine/index.html

  244. Tina says:

    The enemy within.

    Michael Tracey
    @mtracey
    ·
    22h
    Since *before he even took office* the country’s spy agencies have taken extraordinary steps to curtail/impede the elected president. That continues now: the current “whistleblower” fracas originated with the CIA. You don’t have to be “pro-Trump” to find this extremely alarming

  245. Tina says:

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    ·
    1h
    CNN’s Jeff Zeleny: Joe Biden avoided interviews this week because he didn’t want to be asked about Hunter Biden.

  246. John says:

    Another snitch that doesn’t like the President. Yawn. Especially after the transcript was released.
    Kinda of reminds me of Brett Kavanaugh and his accusers…
    Christine Blasey Ford
    Deborah Ramirez
    Julie Swetnick
    the mother and daughter team that sent a letter of Sen. Gardner of Colo. and later confessed
    the RI boat owner claiming he witnessed Kavanaugh sexually assault a girl on his boat and later confessed.
    This is getting old.

  247. dblaikie says:

    As usual Worm can only engage in name calling and verbal slurs. But that is why he is a worm. He is incapable of producing a cogent or clear argument.

  248. BayernFan says:

    Democrats are simply deploying the Big Lie that Goebbels perfected.

  249. Wes says:

    Robbie, I’m well aware Trump is unpopular. I was making the point that an impeachment witch-hunt on spurious grounds is a lifeline Dems have thrown him that has a strong chance of lessening his prospects of defeat. It guns up Trump’s base and outs Dems in marginal districts at risk because of the foolishness of the whole thing.

  250. BayernFan says:

    excellent. A line in the dirt that tells Dems in Trump districts that they are phuqqed if they vote for this nonsense.

  251. Tina says:

    Yes, our side is happy.

    We are fundraising off the Ds.

    Looks like now the Louisiana Governors Race is now in play and the d will not get 50.

  252. Hugh says:

    I think any rep who doesn’t support trump is toast. His base has had it with this nonstop harassment. Now if one of the few squish’s is retiring who knows. I can tell you sasse if wants to be elected will keep himself in check or Nebraskans will crush him.

  253. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – My area lost several GOP reps in 2018 in part because of Trump-hatred by Republicans. If they were still in office, voting for impeachment would not hurt them in 2020. Of course, that is not to say my area is typical.

  254. Hugh says:

    Is it possible a rep could lose by supporting trump? Of course it’s possible. However the greater likelihood is that if they don’t support trump they will lose. The dems in red districts have the same problem. I’m not sure there are a lot of gop house members in blue districts anymore.

  255. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    238 “– It’s always important to remember in Jason fraud’s demented world the guy who screwed a porn star, had a year long affair with a playmate, is ethically corrupt, and had sexually assaulted at least 20 women is the morally righteous man while Mitt Romney, who has had just one wife and no scandals of any sort, is the morally corrupt man.”

    This is coming from a troll who trashed Romney on election night in 2012, then falsely claimed his internet identity had been stolen to try and cover his tracks.

    Robbie says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm
    Obama re-elected. Not surprising, but still hurts.
    Robbie says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:21 pm
    I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!
    Promise kept.
    Robbie says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:30 pm
    137.Promise kept.
    Comment by Robbie
    And Robbie finally admmits he is an Obama d-bag who accomplished his mission.
    Comment by Bitterlaw — November 6, 2012 @ 11:29 pm
    My screen name was stolen. I did not write that.
    1. Robbie says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    My screen name was stolen. I did not say what was written. It’s horse crap. I did not write those words.
    2. Bitterlaw says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm
    MD – Check in every few weeks or I will have to start reading obituaries again. Cream soda.
    3. Robbie says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm
    I don’t know who stole my name, but grow up.
    1. Bitterlaw says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm
    Robbie – Nobody cares. You can’t get away from the sh*t you wrote for months under your own name. You wanted this. Admit it.

  256. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I know people who voted straight R for years who either voted for the Dem for Congress or did not vote for that race because of Trump. They voted GOP in all other races.

  257. Hugh says:

    I know two who voted against trump both for an independent and both are voting trump this time. I know of no one who voted for trump who has changed their mind and my brother in law voted for Hillary says he is voting trump. We will see

  258. Hugh says:

    Republicans in 18 were disgusted by trump and voted for
    Moderate dems who promised to work with trump and restore civility. Soon they will vote to impeach trump. Let’s see how it works out for them with warren as their nominee. My guess. Not well.

  259. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016; will likely do so in 2020. There are others on the board who have said the same.

  260. Tina says:

    Slay the nation mentioned a poll showing two to one support for investigating Gaffe and Crack Biden,

    Jebots crushed,

  261. Tina says:

    Looks like Gaffe and Crack ?Biden were involved in shenanigans in Romania too.

  262. Tina says:

    Sorry, it was deface the Nation. Poll was ipsos.

    TrumpWarRoom
    ·
    2h
    “The Biden campaign recognizes that they were facing headwinds even before any [questions about Hunter Biden’s dealings in Ukraine] came out. … [Biden] was already facing headwinds in Iowa and New Hampshire…

    Voters really don’t like this.”

  263. Phil says:

    Biden is toast, Tina.

  264. Tina says:

    Phil, agreed, he was sinking before all of this though.

    Lousy debate performances, were he clearly wore down. Poor campaign events were he made mistakes. His crowd sizes were also tiny and now his fundraising was lack luster.

  265. jason says:

    Here is an example for Mitt Romney, courtesy of Rep. Jim Banks:

    One example can be found in the confrontation between Indiana congressman Jim Banks and NPR’s Michel Martin this past Wednesday. Martin was fulfilling NPR’s unwritten charter of putting the wildest fringe leftist thinking into comfortable terms to make it acceptable to the denizens of the suburbs. Banks, a freshman representative who saw service in Afghanistan, wasn’t having any.

    Martin was attempting to put across the accepted narrative about the Trump/Zelensky call — that Trump asked the Ukrainian president for dirt on Biden as a “favor,” that he immediately turned the conversation to Hunter Biden, that there was a “quid pro quo,” and so on, all backed up by her claim that she had the transcript “in front of her.”

    Banks immediately cut to the chase on that, shutting down Martin with a single line: “… read the part of the transcript that would indict the president on high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    Yeah, the interviewer could not find it.

  266. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag arguing for “consistency” has to win Chutzpah Award of the Month.

    This is a guy who attacked Romney for 2 straight years right up to the election, and who celebrated his loss. No canard was too outrageous for Amoral Scumbag. No scurrilous attack on Romney’s character, family, religion, record, businesses were too low or too outlandish for Amoral Scumbag.

    Now, just because Romney is a useful idiot for the Never Trumpers, Amoral Scumbag pretends that Romney is his paragon of virtue.

    Consistency? No. Normal despicable, dishonest BS? Yes.

  267. Tina says:

    I thought the Broken up convention was the jebots hypothesis to stop Quittens?

  268. jason says:

    Another argument can now be made for re-electing Trump.

    Maybe in 8 years he can make dent in the federal bureaucracy which seems rife with Dem political appointees who think its their job to use government agencies for partisan purposes.

    We saw it in the IRS with Obama, and then the FBI and the Intel agencies. Four years might not be enough to change things.

    It is pretty unprecedented. I don’t remember in the past, no matter who was in power, so much partisanship in the government bureaucracy.

  269. Phil says:

    Have come across two separate articles written by Trump haters in the last several days that float the possibility of impeaching and removing Pence along with Trump.

    The Democrats and their useful idiot Republican Washington establishment types are so consumed with TDS that they are living on another planet totally divorced from any semblance of reality.

    I just shake my head.

  270. jason says:

    I thought the Broken up convention was the jebots hypothesis to stop Quittens?”

    Yes, but the other day he was actually talking about “democracy”… hilarious from someone who is “consistently” looking for some coup to reverse the will of the voters.

  271. jason says:

    didn’t vote for Trump in 2016; will likely do so in 2020. There are others on the board who have said the same.”

    Me. Wes. SoHope I think.

    People who voted for Trump on this forum and will now not vote for him: zero.

    I have also not met ONE person who supported in 2016 and won’t again in 2020.

  272. jason says:

    The original whistleblower’s claims were validated by the release of the transcript”

    Wow, Amoral Scumbag is really unhinged.

    Even the Dems aren’t saying that, they have moved the goalposts from the transcript exactly for that reason.

    It was not validated.

  273. Phil says:

    I vowed after Romney’s defeat i’d Never donate to a Republican Presidential campaign ever again. I have donated to senatorial campaigns since then, however. Well, my policy changed abruptly last week with this impeachment lunacy. That coupled with the Kavanaugh frame up was all I could stand. We went on line and sent the Trump campaign $400 last week….it won’t be our last donation before Election Day either.

  274. jason says:

    In Nowhereville, York County,PA, Jason has to vote FOR dispaging war heroes, Wes-like treatment of women, unhinged tweets with nobodies, tariffs and trade wars.”

    This is absolutely true. It sucks.

    But I will also be voting for stellar judicial appointments for SCOTUS and the federal bench, lower taxes, deregulation, energy independence, border enforcement, rebuilding the military, sane climate change policy, just to name a few positives.

    Not to mention standing up the MSM, one the things I most admire in Trump.

  275. Bitterlaw says:

    In 2016, Never Trump Jason blasted me for supporting all the negatives about Trump with a vote. 2019 Jason is ok with voting for Trump. I love this place.

  276. lisab says:

    i know 613 people in my school system who have always voted straight dem since 1783

    who are so disgusted by the dems

    they will now vote for trump

  277. lisab says:

    biden is crippled

    and the dems are afraid warren cannot win

    which is why they are trying the hail mary pass

  278. Tina says:

    I know last time in 2916, some in my household did not vote for trump.

    This time, we are all trump voters.

    With the voter fraud in Ca due to the motor vehicle law, and demos, it will not matter

  279. Tina says:

    Read somewhere this tweet:

    Deep State aimed at Trump and hit Gaffe.

  280. Wes says:

    Last time in 2916?

    Tina is a visitor from the future, I guess.

  281. Tina says:

    Will Chuck DNC Todd declare this a conspiracy?

    CNN
    @CNN
    · 2h
    The true appeal of the new “Joker” movie lies in its invidious validation of the white-male resentment that helped bring President Trump to power, writes Jeff Yang for @CNNOpinion https://cnn.it/30SMstD

  282. Tina says:

    Before Cn and N or the Jebot media say otherwise, a Ukrainian court determined in 2018 that Ukraine interfered in our 2016 election to help Her Thighness.

  283. Hugh says:

    Poor joe being a democrat his whole life he has never dealt with anything but soft balls. Imagine joe or any dem being attacked 24/7 by the press. He’d be in a mental institution by now. Fair or unfair it’s what every republican faces. I hope he and his son get buried as reparation for the garbage r side deals with every day. Any empathy now Joey boy for Kavanaugh??

  284. Paul says:

    Hugh; YOU SUCK> WE HATE YOUR GUTS GO AWAY NOW

  285. Paul says:

    HUGH HATES JESUS AND AMERICA TOO.

  286. Bitterlaw says:

    Just saw a Trump ad in the GB-Dallas game. Interesting.

  287. Phil says:

    Why not? Thanks to this impeachment push he’s swimming in money.

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil- I just don’t remember a re-election ad 13 months out.

  289. Phil says:

    I can’t either, bitter, but I guess it’s a sign of the hyper partisan times we live in.

  290. jason says:

    Finally some good news.

    China breeding pigs the size of polar bears.

    For bacon lovers, this is just fabulous.

  291. Bitterlaw says:

    No, Tina. It was about Trump draining the swamp in DC.

  292. jason says:

    In 2016, Never Trump Jason blasted me for supporting all the negatives about Trump with a vote.”

    Wrong, I always said you should vote your conscience and I was not critical of your vote for Trump.

    I blasted you for the “against Hillary” meme because you voted FOR Trump.

    In the end, you were “more right” about Trump than I was. My theory was that both he and Hillary were unfit for office, so I couldn’t vote for either one. Knowing what I know now, I would have voted for him too.

    We have argued about this for years, so it’s not going to ever be resolved.

    In any case, I am voting FOR Trump this time. You can vote AGAINST the socialists using those fancy machines in Radnor.

  293. Tina says:

    Thanks, no doubt very early, but he is full of cash.

  294. jason says:

    I have already admitted I was wrong about Trump.

    On the balance, he has advanced more conservative causes than not.

    I didn’t think that would happen.

  295. Hugh says:

    Hugh loves Jesus and America too

  296. Hugh says:

    In the senate we will get our say without all the msm filtering with millions and millions watching. It will be a blood bath

  297. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “while Mitt Romney, who has had just one wife and no scandals of any sort, is the morally corrupt man.”

    This is sort of humorous. In 2012 both Romney and Obama came from families that had relatively recently practiced polygamy. Romney was fond of jokingly referring to: “marriage is between a man and woman…and a woman…and a woman. Not to long ago, there were four U.S. Senators who were cousins, tracing their ancestry back to the same individual who had over a dozen wives.

    Attempts to inject morality into politics usually fail because human life is too complex.

  298. Hugh says:

    305. Dems reps must have fallen for initial push polls showing Americans want impeachment. They will pay big time in 2020. All those moderates who promised to work with trump now backing impeachment and will be running with Elizabeth warren as the nominee. Good luck!!!

  299. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Should DOJ investigate Joe Biden and his son regarding Ukraine and China?
    Yes 57%
    No 37%
    IBD/TIPP 9/26-10/3

    Ouch!

  300. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A poster on RRH Elections posted an excellent description of Elizabeth Warren:

    “She’s the lady who shushes you in the library, the stuck-up busybody at the HOA who complains because your grass is half an inch too tall. She’s the Fun Police, the kind of woman who would have supported Prohibition because ‘that’s what’s good for you, even if you don’t realize it.’
    People (especially men) absolutely HATE people like that. She’s the scold. The stereotypical modern day churchlady.

  301. Hugh says:

    Some dumbas on fox with howie said Giuliani is the best gift the dems after Giuliani ripped howie a new one. Very rich. Then he said Bidens advisors should have him answer the questions and take interviews on the connection with him and the Ukraine. These dems pundits live in lala land. Biden will not do that because his crackhead whoremonger son is not worth 50000 per year let alone 50k plus per month to anyone without joe advocating for him. And most Americans get that. I have been around private equity much of my career and rich kids with no skills don’t get 1.5b and if they do unlike what’s claimed they don’t raise that money and get nothing for it. I am sure it got him at the very least carried interest on the fund.

  302. Phil says:

    I look forward to a Senate trial. Republicans will have a field day presenting their witnesses and, even better, cross examining Democratic witnesses.

    Bring it on.

  303. Tgca says:

    As I noted before the 2018 elections, it would not be so bad for the Dems to win the House. Once the Dems took the House in 2018 they could not help themselves and they would over reach and America would see that. Though I preferred the GOP kept the House, I think the Dems having the House would help in 2020 and it appears to be the case. So unless they find some real evidence of criminality by Trump or the economy takes a significant dive, I suspect the Dems will help Trump be re-elected in 2020 with their 24/7 attempts of phony investigations to try and turn over the 2016 election while doing absolutely nothing for the American people in their congressional duties.

    I believed this would happen with a Dem led house by members that are significantly more left than a decade ago. They can’t help themselves and I don’t see how anyone other than extreme leftists and extreme Trump haters will vote for them in 2020 because their interests are very anti-American and pro-socialism which would be detrimental to the US.

  304. jason says:

    “while Mitt Romney, who has had just one wife and no scandals of any sort, is the morally corrupt man.”

    This from the guy who regurgitated every MSM “scandal” against Romney here for 2 years.

    You have to admire the astounding hypocrisy.

  305. jason says:

    Hugh – My area lost several GOP reps in 2018 in part because of Trump-hatred by Republicans.”

    The biggest reason Rs lost 3 seats in PA in 2018 was the gerrymandering by the PA Supreme Court. I doubt Rs would have lost more than one seat had the map remained the same as 2016.

  306. Bitterlaw says:

    I said “in part.” So jason concedes that without the redistricting, at least one seat would have been lost due to Trump-hatred.

  307. jason says:

    Yes, I agree.

  308. jason says:

    I also said “the biggest reason”, I didn’t say the only reason.

  309. jason says:

    Andy Reid goes for it on 4th and 1 on his own 40 yard line with over 5 minutes to go in game, down by 6.

    If you don’t make it, you basically concede a field goal and the game.

    If you punt, you have plenty of time for a stop (with 3 time outs).

    Bitter to say it was a great call in 3, 2, 1…

  310. Hugh says:

    The only thing saving the chiefs are the refs

  311. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Wh announces an apparent pull out of Syria and the jebots sheot themselves.

  312. Hugh says:

    I’m pretty sure the refs got paid but like with this impeachment joke it failed. But for the refs the colts would have blown the chiefs out.

  313. Bitterlaw says:

    It is a great call if it works. Not great if it does not. Chiefs have converted 75% on 4th down this season. Their QB is an MVP caliber player.

  314. jason says:

    I don’t support any pullout of Syria. Or Afghanistan.

    But I didn’t sh-t myself, so I must not be a jebot.

  315. Hugh says:

    Refs in this game should be fined for their incompetence

  316. jason says:

    I think it is a bad call even if it does work. If it works, you still have 60 yards to go.

    If it doesn’t, you need a miracle to win the game.

    Even if you accept the 75% chance, it’s too early in the game to gamble on it.

  317. Hugh says:

    Colts should have won by three tds without the corrupt refs.

  318. jason says:

    I did pretty well this week on my picks but the Colts screwed me.

  319. Hugh says:

    Sorry Jason but it should have been way worse

  320. jason says:

    I didn’t watch the whole game. I thought that illegal pick call or whatever it was at the end was totally bogus, and it stood even after challenged. Go figure.

  321. jason says:

    I was going to win some money had the Chiefs won.

    Of course, I always want the Chiefs, Raiders and Chargers to lose, but business is business.

  322. jason says:

    I even picked the Raiders to beat the Bears.

  323. Tina says:

    ed

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    24m
    Turkey is invading Northrrn Syria.

    The President is keeping us out of it.

    The gang that never met a war they didn’t want to fight (and fail to win) will be outraged.

    When they howl, ask them one thing.

    Ask them exactly how many American lives it’s worth.

    I say “Zero.”??

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    332. Just to be clear Tina, the area only involves a limited safe zone the U.S. and Turkey have been negotiating about since last year. The U.S. troops in northern Syria will remain with our allied Kurdish forces. There is talk of joint U.S.-Turkish patrols

    “The White House says Turkey will soon begin an operation in north-east Syria, with US forces no longer in the immediate area.

    The move was confirmed in a statement late on Sunday following a call between President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    The US will not be involved in or support the Turkish operation, it said.

    The statement added that Turkey would now be responsible for all Islamic State prisoners in the area.”

    Obama tried to turn tail and run, and the results were disastrous. It cost a lot of American lives. Schlichter whom you quote is a complete fool.

  325. Bitterlaw says:

    0-5 Redskins fire their coach. That should solve everything.

  326. Hugh says:

    I am fairly convinced there are no none opinion people on fox who are actual republicans. They are taking a huge risk with there audience

  327. Hugh says:

    Stirewalt is so biased. I’m turning my tv to impractical jokers

  328. Robbie says:

    In December 2018, SDC wanted Trump removed from office because he threatened to betray our Kurdish allies in Syria. Now, Trump has overruled all of his national security advisors and decided to pull out of Syria because Turkey asked him to do so. And don’t forget, Erdogan promised to drown the Kurds in their own blood.

    Did Turkey promise to investigate the Bidens in return for Trump’s betrayal? I look forward to seeing all of the “real conservatives” who have become Trumpists defend this.

  329. Michael says:

    Why is my comment being in moderation?

  330. Michael says:

    œœœ?ok now the Democrats and Soros pay a second person to say they are a first hand whistler blower. The entire transcript has been made public. Nothing to Whistle about?!œ

    China why did you pay Biden’œs, Kerryœ and Rosemount companies $1.5 Billion!

    Ukraine did Biden say 6 hours remove the prosecutor or no $1 billion in aid. A real Quid Pro Quo and illegal for Vice Presidents Biden to say!œ

    Ukraine why was Biden paid $œ50,000 a month with no experience.

    Ukraine who and why was the Prosecutor removed from the crowd source and Biden investigation?.

    These should items need to be investigated these are possible national security, bribery, money Laundering?, and Corruption payment?s.œœ

    œœGeorgeo Soroes is paying anyone to become a Democcrat Whistler Blower! œœœœ

  331. Tina says:

    So, the Lido Deck crew wants us to take all of the isis prisoners here and continue to be involved in Syria for how many more years?

  332. John says:

    Gotta love baseball. Going back to work on a dreary Monday…nah. Take the day off and enjoy four games the first one starting in two and a half hours.
    Greatest game God ever created…baseball.

  333. Phil says:

    Nothing to see there, Michael. Move along.

  334. Tina says:

    The_War_Economy

    The same idiots that said Iraq would welcome us as liberators. We would be out of Iraq in six months (2003),

    Bushbama foreign adventures is over with

    @The_War_Economy
    ·
    1h
    Trump has attempted to withdraw from Syria many times, and every time it has been met with “this is the end of the world as we know it”.

    That’s how you know they’re not serious and they just want forever wars. They have no “endgame”, there is no victory condition.

  335. Robbie says:

    Looking forward to Jason fraud saying “ackshully, Erdogan and Turkey are the good guys the Kurds are terrorists”. It’s what MAGA daddy is eventually going to require from all of his sycophants.

  336. Tina says:

    “Bring in another Whistleblower from the Bench.”

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · 2h
    “IG: DECLASSIFIED INFORMATION CONTRADICTS THE WHISTLEBLOWER.” @foxandfriends But why are people surprised? The “partisan” Whistleblower was very wrong on what was said on my perfect, “no pressure,” call with the Ukrainian President. Bring in another Whistleblower from the bench!

  337. Tina says:

    Trump just said he is not taking the isis prisoners.

    He dumped them to turkey, the Euro socialists, and Russia.

    Take them to their dumpy countries, not ours.

  338. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 7, 2019 at 10:35 am
    Nothing to see there, Michael. Move along.

    – So with your sarcasm, you’re suggesting George Soros is behind your MAGAdaddy’s problems? LOL!

  339. Tina says:

    The socialist son is upset. Our intervention into Syria was not to defend the Kurds, or fight their proxy war against turkey for them.

    eeted

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    2h
    Right on cue,
    @BillKristol
    pipes up with another war America must get into because…well, Trump is bad or something.

    Turkey and Kurds have a fight going back forever. To stop their conflict means intervening.

    I say “No US lives.”

    Kristol would say “A bunch.”

    You choose.

  340. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 7, 2019 at 10:42 am
    Trump just said he is not taking the isis prisoners.
    He dumped them to turkey, the Euro socialists, and Russia.
    Take them to their dumpy countries, not ours.

    – So he’s going to let Turkey kill thousands of Kurds and execute up to 60000 prisoners. That’s better than porn for you, Tinfoil.

  341. Tina says:

    The GOP-e are not even for defending their own borders from rug and human smugglers, Mexican Militia, and other foreigners. Yet, we have to “stay in Syria.” This makes so much sense.

    Catturd
    @catturd2
    No more Middle Eastern wars!

    No more forced regime changes!

    No more young soldiers dying to fight in foreign civil wars!

    Bring them all home!

    Send these troops to protect OUR OWN BORDER!
    6:23 AM · Oct 7, 2019·Twitter Web App

  342. Tina says:

    Hugh Hewitt is right here:

    Hugh Hewitt
    @hughhewitt
    ·
    2h
    The four critical differences between then and now: NATO countries won’t take the ISIS fighters, and expect us to garrison Syria indefinitely. US-Turk patrols have settled region somewhat. Notice given to Kurds of eventual pullout. Most crucial of all: PRC challenge looming large

  343. Robbie says:

    Matt Lewis
    @mattklewis

    Erdogan said he would “drown” the Kurds in Syria—and Turkey’s Defense Minister said they “will be buried in their ditches.” What does Trump *expect* the Kurds to do when America retreats from Syria?

    – This is the kind of thing that gets the ethnonationalist populists like Tinfoil aroused.

  344. dblaikie says:

    Did you notice about Worm, today, that he isn’t talking about Impeachment.

    Mitch, the turtle, just put a spike in ever having an Impeachment vote. I can hardly wait to see what those dems representing Trump districts are going to do, when they have to actually vote on an article of Impeachment. Pass the popcorn while they consider that their vote knowing that it is dead on arrival in the Senate.

  345. dblaikie says:

    I would say that the probability of any vote, by the whole House, on any issue concerning Impeachment will not happen. This stuff is nothing but political theater.

  346. Phil says:

    Oh look. Robbie woke up angry again. Just like he has every day for the last three years since the morning of November 9th, 2016. How life must suck to obsess each and every day over a single politician and live your life in an absolute rage day in and day out.

    Sad.

  347. Robbie says:

    From 2012

    Ivanka Trump
    @IvankaTrump

    Thank you Prime Minister Erdogan for joining us yesterday to celebrate the launch of #TrumpTowers Istanbul!

  348. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 7, 2019 at 11:06 am
    Oh look. Robbie woke up angry again. Just like he has every day for the last three years since the morning of November 9th, 2016. How life must suck to obsess each and every day over a single politician and live your life in an absolute rage day in and day out.

    – Oh look. Phil just woke up and tacitly approved of the asinine notion that George Soros is behind MAGAdaddy’s problems.

  349. Waingro says:

    Of course. The newfound Paulbot influenced Trump foreign policy continues to evolve.

    Senator Rand Paul
    ?
    Verified account

    @RandPaul
    11m11 minutes ago
    More
    I stand with @realDonaldTrump today as he once again fulfills his promises to stop our endless wars and have a true America First foreign policy.

  350. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 7, 2019 at 11:04 am
    Did you notice about Worm, today, that he isn’t talking about Impeachment.

    – Hey, Jimmy Swaggert. How many conservative judges will Trump have to appoint to count as a redemptive act for selling out an American ally to Turkey?

    And there’s plenty of hours in the day to talk about your MAGAdaddy’s impending impeachment.

  351. Robbie says:

    Poor Phil’s been in a bad mood since last week when Trump didn’t own up to saying he wanted a moat filled with alligators or that he wanted American soldiers to shoot migrants in the legs.

  352. George says:

    Nothing but the sounds of crickets from Lebron, Coach Popovich, Coach Kerr and all those NBA human rights activists. Guess when you’re making billions in China, human rights in Hong Kong don’t matter.

  353. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 7, 2019 at 11:04 am
    Mitch, the turtle, just put a spike in ever having an Impeachment vote. I can hardly wait to see what those dems representing Trump districts are going to do, when they have to actually vote on an article of Impeachment. Pass the popcorn while they consider that their vote knowing that it is dead on arrival in the Senate.

    – Political expert and mega Trump shill dblaikie, who predicted Republicans wouldn’t lose seats in the House in 2018, now thinks voters in swing districts that voted against Trump over his behavior in 2018 will punish Democrats for impeaching Trump over his behavior.

  354. dblaikie says:

    Well Worm, you have me! I care far more about his Judicial appointments than the Kurds. And just to remind you, Trump tends to lead with something way out there and then moderate to the position he always intended.

    Worm you really need to do something about your hatred. Not just for Trump, but for any who dare to have a different viewpoint concerning him. Get some help!

  355. Tina says:

    I gave up on impeachment for now. I will have news on avenatti later

    -jebot

  356. Tina says:

    I hate the word neo con. This implies that they are conservatives. This is wrong. Their Foreign policy is not reaganesque. Their priorities are short.

    “The neo cons are triggered today”

  357. Robbie says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over…

    – Phil, Jason fraud, and the rest, can you tell me some examples of Trump’s “great and unmatched wisdom”?

  358. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 7, 2019 at 11:42 am
    Well Worm, you have me! I care far more about his Judicial appointments than the Kurds.

    – A Christian minister says he doesn’t care if American allies are slaughtered and killed. I’m sure that’s how Christ would feel as well, right?

    I feel for your congregants if this is the tripe you’re feeding them.

  359. lisab says:

    I’m sure that’s how Christ would feel as well, right?
    ————————-

    christ was not big on military actions

  360. jason says:

    Trump is wrong on Syria.

    As far as great and unmatched wisdom, he is certainly smarter than Amoral Scumbag.

  361. jason says:

    No more Middle Eastern wars!

    No more forced regime changes!

    No more young soldiers dying to fight in foreign civil wars!

    Bring them all home!”

    Zzzzzz…..

    Moronic and simplistic isolationist drivel.

  362. lisab says:

    turkey is also our ally

    and

    the kurds want to carve out a kurdish homeland from turkish and syrian territory,

    this would be a separate area from iraq-kurdistan

    it would be like mexico telling us that california was now going to be independent.

    the land they are fighting over is currently part of turkey and/or syria

  363. lisab says:

    15% of turkish citizens are kurds

    they are a persecuted minority of turkey,

    but they are citizens of turkey

    i don’t see how the usa can break off part of turkey, our ally, and make a new country

    nor

    can we break off part of syria unless russia agrees, which they don’t

  364. lisab says:

    the upshot of today is that

    turkey will have to take on syria AND russia by itself

    if it wants to take and keep land from syria

  365. BayernFan says:

    I don’t give a chit about Turkeys problems with the Kurds and vice versa. That is their problem. Lets not make their problems our problems. Bring our folks home to their families.

  366. Phil says:

    Robbie, my mood has been just fine. How’s yours been for the last three years? LOL

  367. Tina says:

    Turkey will also block Iran.

    We cannot continue to get bogged down in these feudal wars.

    Key is to challenge the commie Chinese.

  368. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 7, 2019 at 1:57 pm
    Robbie, my mood has been just fine. How’s yours been for the last three years? LOL

    – It will be a lot better when the scumbag in the White House is gone and when I’m watching you cry like a baby with a diaper full of crap complaining about Elizabeth Warren’s imperial presidency.

    I can already envision your comments screeching about Warren using a phony national emergency to take money appropriated for one thing to fund her national healthcare plan or when she publicly asks Cuba to investigate Rubio is he’s her 2024 opponent.

  369. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 7, 2019 at 1:50 pm
    I don’t give a chit about Turkeys problems with the Kurds and vice versa. That is their problem. Lets not make their problems our problems. Bring our folks home to their families.

    – Yes. All you care about are the white working class rubes who eat in Midwest diners and think the Apprentice is real. The Republican Party has been wrecked because idiot thinking like you have.

    You can’t make the party whiter than it already is, but the ethnonationalist populists are determined to try.

  370. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 7, 2019 at 2:00 pm
    Turkey will also block Iran.
    We cannot continue to get bogged down in these feudal wars.
    Key is to challenge the commie Chinese.

    – Everyone be quiet. Master foreign affairs strategist, Tinfoil Tina, is about to give us some Jim Hoft Gateway Pundit inspired Middle East talking points.

  371. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Guiliani preparing lawsuits against schiffty. Let’s use lawfare against them and bleed him.

    Giuliani’s answer to impeach inquiry: Sue Schiff https://news.yahoo.com/giulianis-answer-to-impeach-inquiry-sue-schiff-164553599.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw… via
    @Yahoo

  372. Tina says:

    The Ig guy, Atkinson, is stonewalling Republicans. He is connected to the coup plot and worked closely with the Fib.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/07/intel-community-ig-stonewalling-congress-on-backdated-whistleblower-rule-changes/

  373. BayernFan says:

    Robbie, I have been away from this site for some time. I have never gotten into it with you before I don’t think. I’ve always respected your views.

    Coming back and seeing your posts now…. you really have become a bigot and hateful.

    I seriously think you ought to take a break and re-orient yourself here. Or grow a thicker skin or something.

    Resorting to bigotry is not a good thing.

  374. Tina says:

    Questi9ms to ask schifffy in a suit could include his relationship to Ed Buck.

  375. Tina says:

    Oh wow, the Jebot did use racist words. Site Admin needs to step in and ban it.

  376. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 7, 2019 at 1:07 pm
    Trump is wrong on Syria.
    As far as great and unmatched wisdom, he is certainly smarter than Amoral Scumbag.

    – This is a great point by Jason fraud. I don’t have the great and unmatched wisdom of Trump needed to bankrupt a casino where the house always wins. Nor do I have the great and unmatched wisdom of Trump needed to file for bankruptcy SIX times.

    MAGA!

  377. Tina says:

    Yes, sadly Reagan’s policies were abandoned by the corrupt Bush’s, obumbler, and bj.

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    It appears Trump is the only Republican who remembers the Reagan Doctrine:
    *military action is the last resort
    *it only comes with the full support of the American public
    *it is only used when there is a clear way to attain victory
    *The US must commit to using ALL military means.

  378. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 7, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    Robbie, I have been away from this site for some time. I have never gotten into it with you before I don’t think. I’ve always respected your views.
    Coming back and seeing your posts now…. you really have become a bigot and hateful.

    – A bigot! That’s hilarious. Did you got to comedian school while you were away.

    Unlike the majority of this forum, I did not trade in my values for a stupid red hat. I don’t subscribe to the moronic populism that serves as the underpinnings of vulgar Trumpism. Nor did I decide that a lack of morality is acceptable so long as the right judges are chosen.

    If you want to call me names, go right ahead. That’s the way this forum operates now and I’m just playing by the rules of the road here. If you don’t like the name calling, take it up with Jason fraud who made it the MO here back in 2008 when he attacked anyone who said McCain wasn’t going to beat Obama.

    But if you’re going to attack me, at least choose a word that more appropriately fits me because bigot, laughably, does not.

  379. Robbie says:

    The problem with people like Bayernfan is they think the isolationism of the 1920’s and 1930’s was a good thing. They believe in this ridiculous notion of fortress America. Many of them have read one too many of Pat Buchanan’s “America never should have fought in WWII” columns over at WorldNetDaily or wherever he and his buddies hide today.

  380. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 7, 2019 at 2:23 pm
    Oh wow, the Jebot did use racist words. Site Admin needs to step in and ban it.

    – Bless your heart.

    By the way, still looking for that Andrew McCabe indictment you said was coming a couple of weeks ago. Did the deep state corrupt the grand jurors.

  381. Phil says:

    Cory Booker –

    ‘’If you come after Joe Biden you’re going to have to deal with me”

    LMFAO

  382. BayernFan says:

    wtf are you raving about? Get help, dude. Seriously.

  383. Tina says:

    Booker acting like a thug. All we need is thr Texas skateboarder to opine

  384. Phil says:

    Don’t worry, Tina. Beto will be along directly. Entertainment coming.

  385. Robbie says:

    BayernFan says:
    October 7, 2019 at 2:42 pm
    wtf are you raving about? Get help, dude. Seriously.

    – The only people raving are those who think populism and isolationism are winning concepts.

  386. Tina says:

    Jebots lose in court again.

    Stonewall Jackson
    @1776Stonewall
    Federal judge blocks New York judges ruling that said Trump must turn over his tax returns. He does not have to turn them over. There is no law that says he has to

    240
    11:41 AM – Oct 7, 2019

  387. Phil says:

    Everyone now backing off of Joe Biden. Petrified of Cory Booker.

  388. Tina says:

    Rumors are her Thighness announces on 10/16.

  389. Tina says:

    Note: Quittens is immoral.

    hn Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    “Carpetbagging Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-UT) obsession with criticizing President Trump does not prove him to be a decent man, it proves him to be an immoral coward.”

    http://bit.ly/2Vq0Loj via
    @BreitbartNews

  390. Waingro says:

    http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

    BNL NEWS
    ?

    @BreakingNLive
    9m9 minutes ago
    More
    BREAKING: Hillary Clinton ‘thinking about’ running for President in 2020, according to multiple sources

  391. Phil says:

    Hillary running?

    LOL. I knew it.

    Pocahontas vs Crooked Hillary.

    Cage Match. Battle of the two most unlikeable women in America. I’ll buy a ticket.

  392. dblaikie says:

    Worm you have finally driven me over the top with your drivel. First of all how dare you attack my faith. That you would use deeply held beliefs as a way to try tear someone down is despicable at best. But that is what you always do. Rather than engage in a dialogue you instead try to belittle people and label them. Each time you do it, you get smaller. By the way, Robbie, that is why I call you Wormtongue.

    Now to the issue at hand. In 2018 they estimate that there were at least 13000 late term abortions in this country. The Kurds can defend themselves. The 13000 can not and have no defense. So yes Trump’s Judicial Appointments mean more to me than Kurdish fighters.

  393. dblaikie says:

    O please, Lord, let it true!!

  394. Phil says:

    AOC calls for the abolition of prisons. Says they are a product of Jim Crow.

    I could have sworn the concept of prisons predated Jim Crow but what do I know. Let em all out. What the hell.

  395. Tina says:

    The Jebot attacked people of faith and used racial remarks against white people.

  396. Hugh says:

    Hillary won’t officially run until she knows what’s in the I.G. report. If she runs at all. I hope she does. It would be a bloodbath between the far left and the crazy progressives.

  397. lisab says:

    I don’t have the great and unmatched wisdom of Trump … robbie
    —————————

    well … he is a billionaire president with a model wife and successful children …

    and you are … ummmmmm … how can i put this nicely …

    … not

  398. lisab says:

    Rather than engage in a dialogue you instead try to belittle people and label them. Each time you do it, you get smaller.
    —————————

    that’s what she said!

  399. Bitterlaw says:

    401 I like when Tina posts an opinion as if it is fact,

    As for Robbie, please mark this thread for future reference. He will celebrate the election of President Warren but then claim his handle was stolen.

  400. Waingro says:

    Eliana Johnson
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    @elianayjohnson
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    County records contradict @ewarren’s claim that she was dismissed after he first year of teaching because she was pregnant, showing school board unanimously approved a second-year contract for her via @CAndersonMO –

  401. Tina says:

    Breaking

    The Commie was on tv and implicated the Obumbler in the Muh Russian hoax/illegal wiretapping the Trump,campaign.

  402. lisab says:

    hillary clinton has pulled ahead of bernie sanders on predictit

    warren 49 cents
    biden 22 cents
    yang 11 cents
    hillary 10 cents
    sanders 9 cents
    buttigieg 7 cents
    harris 6 cents
    booker 2 cents

    latest casino odds

    R vs. D for white house — exactly 50-50
    or to be precise, the moneyline odds are both

    -115 for both parties

  403. lisab says:

    so it looks like biden and bernie are both finished

    so it is either warren or hillary

    i just don’t think hillary can win this one. if it was anyone but warren, i’d say she had no chance, but warren is just not a strong candidate

    however … i don’t think the country wants to see a trump vs hillary repeat

  404. Bitterlaw says:

    Are Democrat primary voters really going to want Hillary? Set aside the collusion nonsense. They have to see Hillary as a candidate who actually managed to lose to Satan. Trump is their devil. Many Dems probably resent her.

  405. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Two points on Syria.

    1.) The U.S. has not abandoned the Kurds. We still have troops in Syria working with them. Erdogen wanted a safe zone along his border, for among other things moving the millions of Syrian refugees that are presently in Turkey. After long negotiations, we agreed.

    2.) The idea that we can just ignore what is happening in the Mideast, and just bring our troops home and live happily ever after will put us in another 9-11 situation. We put our head in the sand then, and did not take Ben Laden and other terrorists as seriously as we should have. There are terrorists in the Mideast who would love kill thousands of Americans in another terrorist attack in the U.S. Whatever the ups and downs of our Mideast involvement, that fact is it has played a major role in preventing another major terrorist attack in the U.S. (and keep in mind there have been many minor ones and attempts that have been thwarted).

    In saying this, I am in no way defending the Bush invasion of Iraq. It was stupid and one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in U.S. history.

  406. Tina says:

    I want Hillary.

    -jebot

  407. Tina says:

    It would be nice if mayhem McCain, the ex Sc Governor Haley (who is turning into Palin 2.0), and the Jebot would answer:

    Why are we there? Did the mission change?

    Why did the obumbler invite the Turks into the conflict?

    How many troops?

    What are the mission goals? When is the end date?

  408. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    372. “turkey is also our ally and the kurds want to carve out a kurdish homeland from turkish and syrian territory, this would be a separate area from iraq-kurdistan it would be like mexico telling us that california was now going to be independent. the land they are fighting over is currently part of turkey and/or syria”

    The Kurds have lived in their current lands for thousands of years. Why don’t they have a right to self-governance like other peoples? Do you have a list of the ethnic groups in the world you feel should be excluded from any sort of self-governance?

    Our “ally” Turkey recently bought a lot of military hardware from Putin, and NATO cut Turkey off from involvement in production of the F-35 fighter jet. They were afraid the Turks would share the advanced technology with Russians. Some ally.

    By the way, is Turkey ever going to acknowledge the genocide it committed against Christian Armenians and Assyrians in the early 20th century?

  409. Big Joe says:

    I doubt Hillary will run again.

    Big Joe

  410. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    368. “Quittens down to 38 percent approval in Utah.”

    Romney’s popularity may well be down in Utah, but I don’t consider Utah Policy/Y2 Analytics a legitimate polling firm. It is a “panelist” survey — here is a description of their methodology:

    “The surveys are administered to a sample of active registered voters in Utah taken from the publicly-available registered Voter File. An equal proportion of residents are sampled from each congressional district. We work with a third-party vendor to match the names of registered voters to email addresses. The overall response rate for the surveys after accounting for bounced or otherwise invalid email addresses is reported in the Survey Response Rate section within each report’s topline. Our panelists receive an email invitation and two reminders to participate in the survey from Y2 Analytics.”

  411. CG says:

    The Kurds should have told Trump they had dirt on Biden.

  412. Tina says:

    Sources also say Atkinson does not know his arse from his elbow.

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    17m
    “Sources said Atkinson testified that the whistleblower, in filing the complaint, left “blank” a section in which he or she could have disclosed that congressional contact” — oh, you mean the part where they *HAVE TO* disclose that? CC: ?
    @seanmdav
    ?

  413. Tina says:

    Poor Schiffty, it will all come out, in addition to his .russian ties.

    Saagar Enjeti
    @esaagar
    · 11m
    Sources further have told Fox News that Atkinson revealed the whistleblower volunteered he or she was a registered Democrat and had a prior working relationship with a prominent Democratic politician. https://foxnews.com/politics/ig-could-not-explain-18-days-between-ukraine-call-and-whistleblower-complaint-sources-say

  414. Paul says:

    Kurds should have started building a Trump Tower.

  415. NYCmike says:

    We tend to hear a lot of things about foreign policy, and then once the story actually gets out it is markedly different.

    How about we try some patience in this instance before opining on what is going on?

  416. Tina says:

    Jebots embarrassed again, in 2000, bj asked Blair for a political favor

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MSH3RIDAN/status/1181365773413027840

  417. Bitterlaw says:

    I like the irony that HHR is critical of the whistleblowers/leakers but is quick to publish leaks about them.

  418. Tina says:

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    27m
    FYI from Devin Nunes:

    “I don’t know what planet this guy [ICIG] is from… but he’s either lying or in on it…he’s going to have a big problem…his answers on Friday [during house testimony] were a joke, a total fiasco.”

  419. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, the Browns are back to playing like the Browns.

  420. Tina says:

    China Biden plunges in Wi

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers
    #NEW Wisconsin Democratic Primary:

    Warren 23%
    Sanders 17%
    Biden 9%
    Gabbard 6%
    Buttigieg 5%
    Yang 4%
    Harris 2%

    Change research

  421. Phil says:

    What? No Beto?

  422. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Before we write off Biden prematurely, here is the latest Morning Consult poll:

    @MorningConsult
    Biden: 33% (+1)
    Warren: 21%
    Sanders: 19%
    Harris: 6%
    Buttigieg: 5%
    O’Rourke: 3%
    Yang: 3%
    Booker: 2%

  423. Phil says:

    Your state will finish off Biden after defeats in Iowa and NH.

  424. Tina says:

    $4.42 today for regular gas in sf.

    What a crock.

  425. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @LindseyGrahamSC
    President Trump may be tired of fighting radical Islam. They are NOT tired of fighting us.
    @NikkiHaley
    We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back. The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake.

  426. NYCmike says:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/10/impeachment-built-trap-obama-created-romney-daniel-greenfield/

    -“CG” and Robbie will ignore this.

    Note, this comment was on Instapundit.com:

    “The 2012 election was closer than most people remember. A little more effort by Romney and he’d have been president.”

  427. NYCmike says:

    The Kurds is a really tough call.

    History says that if we leave, we will probably have to return in the future.

    BUT, since I didn’t serve, and about 95% of the country didn’t serve, who will make that decision?

    WES, who is allowed to make this call?

  428. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    436. “$4.42 today for regular gas in sf.”

    I picked the wrong week to drive to Yosemite. Trying to switch to Zions, and hiking Angels Landing.

  429. lisab says:

    The Kurds have lived in their current lands for thousands of years. Why don’t they have a right to self-governance like other peoples?
    ——————————————-

    the kurds may have the right, but their right is not our obligation to carve up turkey and syria, two sovereign countries. one of which is our ally.

    and i remind you that the usa is an original signature of

    “Omnes Sodales in suis rationibus et abstinere ab usu vim aut minas adversus ipsiusque territorialis integritatis rei publicae libertatem, sive de aliqua re publica vel in aliquo alio modo sibi repugnantia proposita in cunctis Gentibus Coniunctis conferendo.”

  430. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    439. The problem is Trump is between a rock and a hard place. For diplomatic reasons, it is essential to keep good relations with the Turks. One of our important air bases is in Turkey. Plus, with the tension with Iran, we need Turkey as a counter weight. Turkey has millions of Syrian refugees they want to go back to Syria, and want to establish a zone for them.

    Trump is now threatening the Turks with major retaliation if they attack the Kurds, It is interesting that the Iraqi Kurds and Erdogen get along well.

  431. lisab says:

    Do you have a list of the ethnic groups in the world you feel should be excluded from any sort of self-governance?
    ———————————-

    no, but the usa itself did not allow the confederates to secede

    turkey at least has the same right

  432. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    44. The Kurds for all intense purposes served as the American army in the destruction of ISIS. It probably save hundreds of U.S solders lives. All signs are that ISIS is coming back, and has been behind a lot of terrorist attacks in western countries. If, or rather when, ISIS starts expanding its territory again in the Mideast — without the Kurds, who is going to fight them? Keep in mind the Turks were privately helping ISIS. You kick your friends in the teeth, don’t expect them to be your friends anymore.

  433. lisab says:

    Our “ally” Turkey recently bought a lot of military hardware from Putin, and NATO cut Turkey off from involvement in production of the F-35 fighter jet. They were afraid the Turks would share the advanced technology with Russians. Some ally.
    ——————-

    and yet, still part of nato since 1952

  434. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    444. Turkey is threatening to attack Kurds in a neighboring country. Syria does not want the Turkish invasion. It is not out of the question that the Kurds will decide to ally with Assad, Putin and Iran.

  435. lisab says:

    The Kurds for all intense purposes served as the American army in the destruction of ISIS. It probably save hundreds of U.S solders lives.
    —————————————-

    which still does not give them the right to turkish territory

  436. lisab says:

    Turkey is threatening to attack Kurds in a neighboring country. Syria does not want the Turkish invasion. It is not out of the question that the Kurds will decide to ally with Assad, Putin and Iran.
    ——————————————

    well since assad wants to kill them,

    probably a bad idea

    but certainly their choice.

    at least the kurds could claim a valid casus belli to keep some syrian territory

  437. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    446. “and yet, still part of nato since 1952.”

    That did not prevent Turkey from secretly supporting ISIS. Turkey is now provoking a confrontation with Israel over Turkey’s attempt to drill for natural gas in the territorial waters of Cyprus.

    Now NATO is refusing to share its F=35 jet technology with Turkey for fears he will share it with the Russians.

    Turkey also refused to allow U.S bases in Turkey to be used during the Bush’s Iraq invasion.

    Great ally! Can you name me one thing Turkey has done to support the U.S. in the past two decades as our NATO ally?

  438. lisab says:

    By the way, is Turkey ever going to acknowledge the genocide it committed against Christian Armenians and Assyrians in the early 20th century?
    ————————-

    not that i am aware of …

    they just have not been the same since 1453

  439. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    448, Syrian Kurds do not want territory in Turkey; Turkey wants to invade Syria and occupy areas along the border. The Syrian government objects.

  440. lisab says:

    Great ally! Can you name me one thing Turkey has done to support the U.S. in the past two decades as our NATO ally?
    ——————————-

    well … since i personally was against the war in iraq, i would say turkey tried very hard to convince president bush it was a very bad idea.

    unfortunately we did not listen, and as a result our relations with turkey has deteriorated since 2001.

    regardless, they are still in nato

  441. lisab says:

    Syrian Kurds do not want territory in Turkey; Turkey wants to invade Syria and occupy areas along the border. The Syrian government objects.
    ——————————

    the turks want to secure their border, and have been attacked

    which does NOT mean we should help them, (the turks), take part of syria.

    so we are wise to not get involved.

  442. lisab says:

    moreover …

    in 2001, after 3,000 americans were murdered

    the dems largely voted to support the iraq war

    and supported it for almost 10 minutes. the cost to our nation has been substantial.

    there is no way the democrats would support a war in syria, and a large number of republicans would not either

  443. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    454. “the turks want to secure their border, and have been attacked”

    Really!!! Who attacked them? If you claim the Kurds in Syria did, then you are indirectly accusing the U.S. and its European allies of attacking Turkey — since the Syrian Kurds were in effect the U.S. ground troops in Syria:

    “The US-led coalition which was formed to fight ISIS was not looking to engage ISIS on the ground – they were looking for local partners. The Kurds in Syria and Iraq proved to be the most suitable for the job. While the US provided them with much-needed air support, the Kurds did the groundwork. The eventual defeat of ISIS would not have been possible without them.”

    This is just what Trump’s needs heading into an impeachment hearing– having Nikki Haley and formerly supportive Republican senators denouncing him.

  444. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    455. “there is no way the democrats would support a war in syria”

    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – In a rare show of bipartisanship, the top lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate on Monday condemned President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northeastern Syria, which could open the way for a Turkish strike on Kurdish-led fighters in the area.”

  445. lisab says:

    In a rare show of bipartisanship, the top lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate on Monday condemned President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northeastern Syria
    —————————–

    yes, many in the leadership of the dem and republican parties hate trump and everything he does.

    if he came out for two scoops of ice cream they would complain.

    however, the dems would never support a war in syria

  446. jason says:

    The Syria thing is an unforced error.

    Really stupid.

  447. jason says:

    I support Trump whenever I think it’s good for the country.

    In this case, I think it’s a mistake.

  448. lisab says:

    Really!!! Who attacked them?
    ———————————–

    the pkk, aka the Kurdistan Workers’ Party

    who generally claim responsibility

  449. jason says:

    This is just what Trump’s needs heading into an impeachment hearing– having Nikki Haley and formerly supportive Republican senators denouncing him.”

    Yep, really unforced error.

  450. lisab says:

    In this case, I think it’s a mistake.
    ————————————–
    agreeing with robbie and corey

    that’s a bold move cotton. let’s see if it pays off

  451. jason says:

    Mark Sanford on FNC: “I believe I’ll vote for President Trump”

    Has anyone heard of Corey’s candidate?

  452. lisab says:

    Bernie Sanders
    ?
    @BernieSanders

    Not only are we going to defeat Trump, we’re going to make him pay an additional $142 million with our tax on extreme wealth.

  453. jason says:

    agreeing with robbie and corey”

    They would be against Trump discovering a cure for cancer.

    But in this case I agree with them. And with Nikki Haley. And McConnell. And just about everyone that understands isolationism and short term gimmicks don’t work, and that stability in the ME is in America’s interest.

  454. lisab says:

    well, they have been wrong for 20 years

    i don’t see them being right now

  455. lisab says:

    if trump will have to pay an extra $142 million

    what will bezos have to pay?

  456. lisab says:

    The U.S. Supreme Court tossed out a lower court ruling that would have required Ohio’s congressional voting map to be redrawn

  457. lisab says:

    ‘Very small number’ of troops pulled from Syria-Turkey border: US official

    The United States has pulled back a “very small number” of troops from areas of northern Syria along the Turkish border, a senior State Department official says, after US President Donald Trump seemed to indicate a wider retreat.

    The pullback only concerns “two very small detachments” — meaning less than 25 people in total — that have been moved a “very short distance,” the official says.

    times of israel

  458. lisab says:

    new app that helps you fake hate crime launched

  459. lisab says:

    so i am rewatching the L-word

    which i have not seen in 10 years

    and it is just like game of thrones

    without the dragons, or murder, or armies, or magic, or ice-zombies, or random killings

    basically just the sex …

  460. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    470. Agree lisab, its only 25 troops, and we have 1,000 still in Syria. Providing the safe zone makes sense too, so Turkey can move some of the Syrian refugees there.

    Its Trump’s bombastic rhetoric that blew the situation up. Apparently he felt announcing a troop withdraw would be popular and embellished it. Instead of what would be a tempest in a teapot has turned into a PR disaster for Trump. He is now trying to back away, but his pompous rhetoric doesn’t help:

    Below is Trump attempting to reassure the Kurds protection. In saying the U.S. captured “100% of the ISIS Caliphate” Trump fails to mention it was Kurdish troops who did it.

    When Trump proclaims: “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” — is he running for president in 2020 or for sultan of somewhere in the Mideast? Perhaps we need to give him a title: how about Pasha Trump of Hackensack.

    “As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over…….the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!”

  461. Bitterlaw says:

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/07/new-york-based-wbai-radio-abruptly-shuts-down/

    It must have been really bad if a flaming liberal station could not survive in NYC.

  462. Tina says:

    Only 25 troops?

    Jebot goes extra looney toons for 25 troops?

    Speaking of flip flops, can one pull her Thighness statements about turkey being in Syria in 2012 (we escorted them in btw) vs now?

    One tweet praised the head of the ottoman wannabe empire.

  463. Tina says:

    Being In Syria is just another example of where we should not be, especially since isis was flattened (the sole goal articulated)

    Too many inter tribal things going on there.

    But the war mongers (Goober, palin 2.0, etc., want us there). Just follow the $$$$.

  464. Tina says:

    Goober et al should at least take one more step:

    Kick Turkey out of NATO.

  465. dblaikie says:

    I believe that Trump is making a mistake if he follows through with this pullout from Syria. However, as I said to Worm, often the President goes way out on these issues only to moderate in time. Whether he does that here I have no idea. But I have learned to hold my tongue with anyone Trump pronouncement because often it isn’t the final decision. That is frustrating, but Trump, is Trump.

  466. Bitterlaw says:

    War mongers? Is Tina becoming a Paulbot? Makes sense. When every Republican is a RINO to Tina, she supports the ultimate RINOs – Trump and Rand Paul.

  467. jason says:

    But the war mongers (Goober, palin 2.0, etc., want us there). Just follow the $$$$.”

    Sniff.. too bad Tina is not an A-hole.

    Warmonger would be worth some points.

  468. jason says:

    Did any other R senator support this idiocy besides Rand Paul?

    That should tell you how wrong it is right there.

  469. Phil says:

    25 troops? Is that correct? If so, and I’m skeptical, Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t match his actions. He just can’t help himself.

  470. jason says:

    Just follow the $$$$.”

    Actually, this is not entirely incorrect, or bad for that matter.

    Our interest in having stability around various parts of the globe is very much tied to economic reasons, that is what the isolationists don’t get.

  471. Wes says:

    Tina has trouble distinguishing between actual warmongers (the GWB Administration) and the advocates of the minimal peacekeeping force in Syria.

    Granted, I’m not completely sold on Syria, but it’s nowhere near the level of GWB’s failed jingoism in Iraq.

  472. Tina says:

    Yes 25 troops who are now the body guards for the muh Kurds I guess. The PKK. They are so friendly to us that goober spoke out against them 3 years ago.

    So friendly to us that their leader is a commie.

    But follow the $$$ would be a good start.

  473. Tina says:

    Ambassador Sondland is prevented from appearing before the fake impeachment witch-hunt. The bots will be triggered. I suppose schiffty could try to issue a subpoena.

  474. dblaikie says:

    It is about time!! Senator Graham has just invited Rudi to come before the Senate Judiciary Committee to testify about his “concerns” with Ukraine. I bet that very soon Sondland will be testifying not in secret but in public before Graham’s Committee. Let’s hope this is the beginning of the end for Shifty Schiff.

  475. jason says:

    Pelosi is right to call Trump’s policy on Syria misguided and reckless.

    That should trigger the RINO hunters.

  476. Phil says:

    No worries. I’m sure President Warren will fix things in Syria.

  477. jason says:

    Except for a few MSM sycophants like Scumbag Romney, Rs were pretty much united on the impeachment issue.
    Certainly all conservative, libertarian, Republican, factions on this board were unanimous that the charges are ridiculous (I know the Never Trumpers Corey and Amoral Scumbag jumped on this pile of horsecrap like maggots).

    But Trump has found a way to sow division in the ranks with another unforced error.

    He has managed to unite McConnell, Nikki Haley, and most of the R caucus against him. Takes some effort.

  478. jason says:

    The U.S. Supreme Court tossed out a lower court ruling that would have required Ohio’s congressional voting map to be redrawn”

    That is huge. It probably means the Dems will fail on this in Michigan too.

  479. jason says:

    I don’t have to do much research to know the Syria decision is bad.

    Rand Paul supported it.

    Slam dunk.

  480. dblaikie says:

    Sorry I don’t think that there is any connection between disagreement over Syria policy and Impeachment. Trump is and will always be a lightening rod and he has been at odds with Graham, the turtle and all the rest before. I don’t think that any Senator’s are going to say to their base; “I am going to convict Trump because he is making a mistake in Syria.” Which he is buy the way.

  481. jason says:

    The pullback only concerns “two very small detachments” — meaning less than 25 people in total — that have been moved a “very short distance,” the official says.”

    If true, even more stupid.

    All Trump did in that case is hand the Dems a loaded gun and say “shoot me”.

  482. jason says:

    Sorry I don’t think that there is any connection between disagreement over Syria policy and Impeachment.”

    If that was in reference to my comment, I didn’t say it would change votes on impeachment.

    But the whole process is political, and the stronger you are politically the better to fight it. Handing over a club for your own party, the Dems and the MSM to hit you over the head with it weakens him politically and emboldens the Dems.

  483. jason says:

    What a despicable turd…”lone voice of conscience”..

    I am glad I didn’t have lunch yet, might have lost it.

    “Instead, a Romney adviser told me, Romney believes he has more potential power as a senator who will decide Trump’s fate in an impeachment trial. “He could have tremendous influence in the impeachment process as the lone voice of conscience in the Republican caucus,” the adviser said.

  484. jason says:

    How about “lone MSM sycophant toadie”.

  485. jason says:

    Rand Paul was always my least favorite “R” Senator, but Romney is giving him a run for his money.

  486. jason says:

    The reason Romney doesn’t run is because he knows he would be obliterated by Trump, nothing to do with “having tremendous influence”.

  487. VictrC says:

    501 C4

    Jason, I concur with you. I bet Romney would struggle to get 20% in a primary against Trump…which is why he’s trying to undercut him so that others (Schiff/Pelosi et al) will find a way to get him out office. Romney, who was once honorable, believes he’s the inheritor of the nomination shouldTrump go down and then he can find a way to lose to whomever the D nominee is.

    On Syria, I believe that Trump made a mistake with his announcement, will walk it back and nothing will come of it. I do not believe he will follow through on a withdrawal. That 25 number sounds about right.

  488. lisab says:

    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott the other day decided it was time the political leadership of the state’s capital city clean up — literally clean up — Austin’s San Francisco-like act. Citing statute after statute, Abbott gave Mayor Steve Adler until November 1 “to demonstrate consequential improvement in the Austin homelessness crisis and the danger it poses to the health and safety of the publics.” Otherwise, said the governor, “I will direct every applicable state agency to act to fulfill my responsibility to protect the health and safety of Texans in your jurisdiction.”

  489. lisab says:

    When Trump proclaims: “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” — is he running for president in 2020 or for sultan of somewhere in the Mideast?
    ——————————

    i think he is trolling the dems, making them over-react

    he now has pelosi and company on record saying how necessary it is for us to have troops in syria

  490. lisab says:

    one of the most effective slogans the dems had is

    no war for oil

    because working class dems don’t want their children dying in wars in the middle east, and the far left want super-high oil prices. at $567 per barrel of oil, electric cars become viable alternatives.

    now the left is committed to keeping our troops in syria!

  491. lisab says:

    i hear trump is coming out in favour of the nea teachers’ union

    the dems are preparing a condemnation as i write this

  492. lisab says:

    it would be a lot easier for the dems if they had some guiding principles, other than “orange man bad”

    i remember being one of the only people here against the iraq war, pointing out the obvious that this was not going to go well. you cannot just make iraq a democracy overnight.

    being a dem was so easy back then. don’t get involved in a land war in asia.

    now …?

  493. lisab says:

    Farmers have the most sex and rate their performance as incredible, study says
    —————————————

    lisab rates this story as: mostly true

    although, lisab notes that it would be interesting to see a story on how farmers’ wives rate their performance