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Warren/Biden Tied in IA, Warren leads in NH, Biden Leads in SC

CBS News and YouGov release polls for slew of states this morning. Looking at the three early states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, Joe Biden is in danger of losing the first two states before he gets to the one state that he still leads in.

PRESIDENT – IOWA – DEM CAUCUS (CBS/YouGov)
Elizabeth Warren 22%
Joe Biden 22%
Bernie Sanders 21%
Pete Buttigieg 14%
Kamala Harris 5%
Tom Steyer 3%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Cory Booker 2%
Beto O’Rourke 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Elizabeth Warren 32%
Joe Biden 24%
Bernie Sanders 17%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Andrew Yang 5%
Kamala Harris 4%
Tom Steyer 4%
Tulsi Gabbard 2%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

PRESIDENT – SOUTH CAROLINA – DEM PRIMARY (CBS/YouGov)
Joe Biden 43%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Bernie Sanders 16%
Kamala Harris 7%
Pete Buttigieg 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Tom Steyer 2%
Everyone Else 1% or less

These polls were all done October 3-11 among 729 likely caucus goers in IA, 506 likely primary voters in NH and 915 likely primary voters in SC.

Posted by Dave at 2:03 pm
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360 Responses to “Warren/Biden Tied in IA, Warren leads in NH, Biden Leads in SC”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. Bitterlaw says:

    The fake field goal was stupid.

    GFY

  3. jason says:

    Yeah it was.

    I can’t GFM because I picked the Eagles to win.

  4. jason says:

    Only down one score, just have to stop doing stupid sh-t.

  5. jason says:

    Bernie Sanders calls Warren a capitalist.

    Uhhhhhhh, them is fighting words there.

    A candidate for President of the USA a capitalist.

  6. jason says:

    This is like the when are you going to stop beating your wife kind of thing.

    Warren can deny it, but that might make a good GE ad for Trump.

  7. jason says:

    The color guy on Fox is a diehard Eagles fan.

  8. jason says:

    He doesn’t like any of the calls against the Eagles.

  9. lisab says:

    Scientists endorse mass civil disobedience to force climate action

  10. Wes says:

    Republicans are at +8 in the LA State House. They’re likely to pick up another in the runoff. They’re even money to pick up the remaining seat and get 70 seats—two thirds—in the chamber.

    Meanwhile, Republicans have already secured 27 seats in the State Senate and this have a 2/3 Majority. Even if Edwards wins next month, he’ll be the Dem equivalent of Charlie Baker and Larry Hogan with no viable base in the State Legislature.

  11. Wes says:

    For the record, Republicans never had a significant presence in the LA State Legislature till 2003 and first controlled the houses comprising it in 2010 (State Senate following a special election) and 2012 (State House after the regularly scheduled elections).

  12. jason says:

    Take the FG, a-holes.

  13. jason says:

    Scientists endorse mass civil disobedience to force climate action”

    Far left wing scientists with an agenda to destroy the world’s economy endorse civil disobedience to force climate action.

    Fixed it.

  14. John says:

    What’s with the home team in the League Championship series…trouble scoring. Heck, trouble getting hits.

  15. jason says:

    I guess the Eagles decided not to go 0-3 on dumb decisions.

  16. Wobbles says:

    I was hoping Edwards would win outright and Rs would lose the LA legislature.

    This would be bad for Trump.

  17. Wes says:

    A repost of my current rankings for 2019/20 governorships:

    Solid R Hold-

    UT
    ND
    MO
    IN

    Likely R Hold-

    VT
    NH
    WV

    Lean R Hold-

    MS

    Tossup-

    MT
    LA
    KY

    Lean D Hold-

    NC

    Solid D Hold-

    WA
    DE

  18. jason says:

    One of the scientist lisab mentioned.

    “Hanoi Jane Fonda Says She’s Been ‘Climate Scientist For Decades.”

  19. jason says:

    Drudge is still playing useful idiot for the MSM.

    Sad.

  20. Wes says:

    Maybe another disgruntled Vietnam vet can spit tobacco in Hanoi Jane’s face.

  21. jason says:

    Wow, Eagles not through with dumb sh-t.

    Delay of game on 3rd and 4.

    Sigh.

    Should have gone with the Vikings.

    If I lose the pool this week because of the Eagles Bitter will have to send me a check for $500.

    Oh wait, he is unemployed.

  22. Phil says:

    Yeah, it wasn’t that the MSM needed reinforcements. Thanks, Matt.

  23. Wes says:

    Do lawyers get unemployment, Jason?

  24. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Hope our trolls are ready to denounce AOC as much as they have been attacking Trump.

    “Back in April, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez joined several other lawmakers to blast President Trump for keeping U.S. troops in Syria.

    “The 2015 introduction of U.S. military forces into hostilities in Syria was never approved by Congress, in violation of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973,” says the letter, signed by a bipartisan group of lawmakers, including Republican Sens. Mike Lee and Rand Paul and freshman Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar. “We believe that the stated intention of withdrawing our forces is appropriate, and we look forward to the orderly return of our service members from this theater of conflict.”

    […]

    But NOW, Ocasio-Cortez thinks America ought to stay in Syria.

    “Trump’s sudden withdrawal from northern Syria & endorsement of Turkey’s actions could have catastrophic consequences & risks laying the ground for immense violence and suffering,” she wrote Tuesday in Twitter.”

  25. Bitterlaw says:

    Lawyers are eligible for unemployment. I have not applied yet.

    Since the Broncos are horrible, Jason has time to watch the Eagles. They are not down by 18 because of bad decisions. They are losing because their secondary sucks, their only deep threat is out for the 5th game with an injury, and Kirk Cousins has made this his one good game of the season.

    This same team beat Green Bay in Lambeau 2 weeks ago.

  26. lisab says:

    yes, the dems were all for pulling out of syria

    until trump did it

    the dems are now the war party

  27. lisab says:

    so are the eagles playing football today?

  28. jason says:

    ince the Broncos are horrible, Jason has time to watch the Eagles. They are not down by 18 because of bad decisions.”

    I don’t pay to watch football anymore and the Eagles are free in my area.

    You can do the math on what the 4th and 2, fake field goal and delay of game might have cost them. I think the game would have been competitive minus these mistakes.

  29. jason says:

    So now the justification for Trump’s idiotic Syria policy is that once an moron like AOC agreed with him?

    Really? Okayyyy….

  30. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “AKCAKALE, Turkey (AP) — Syrian government troops will deploy along the border with Turkey to help Kurdish fighters fend off Turkey’s invasion of northern Syria, the Kurds said Sunday, hours after President Donald Trump ordered all U.S. troops to withdraw from the area to avoid getting caught in the middle of the fast-escalating conflict.

    The announcement represents a major shift in alliances for Syria’s Kurds after they were abandoned by the U.S., with whom they were longtime partners in the fight against the Islamic State group.”

    Iran and Russia win big. Israel is the big loser; it will have a stronger Iranian & Russian presence on its border, with Iran’s stated intent of wiping Israel off the map.

  31. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    29. No one said that. Was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Democrats. As my posts have indicated, I am a strong opponent of Trump’s betrayal of the Kurds.

  32. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Turkish forces who launched multiple artillery rounds near a U.S. Special Operations outpost in northeastern Syria on Friday have known for months that Americans were there, according to four current and former U.S. officials, raising questions whether Turkey is trying to push American troops farther from the border.”

    This is what happens were your commander in chief turns tail and runs.

  33. Bitterlaw says:

    The Kurds saved American lives by fighting ISIS. Trump repays them by setting up their slaughter.

    At least Tina approves.

  34. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is completely pathetic. He agreed to the Turkish incursion, and now is talking sanctions. Is he sane?

    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump’s administration is set to impose economic sanctions on Ankara, potentially as early as this week, for its incursion into northern Syria, one of the few levers the United States still has over NATO-ally Turkey.

    Using the U.S. military to stop the Turkish offensive on U.S.-allied Kurdish fighters was never an option, defense officials have said, and Trump asked the Pentagon on Sunday to begin a “deliberate” withdrawal of all U.S. troops from northern Syria.

    After Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Friday that Trump had authorized “very powerful” new sanctions targeting Turkey, the administration appeared ready to start making good on Trump’s threat to obliterate Turkey’s economy.

    On Sunday, Trump said he was listening to Congress, where Republicans and Democrats are pushing aggressively for sanctions action.

    “Dealing with @LindseyGrahamSC and many members of Congress, including Democrats, about imposing powerful Sanctions on Turkey,” Trump said on Twitter, referring to the loyal Trump ally and U.S. senator who lambasted the president last week.

    “Treasury is ready to go, additional legislation may be sought. There is great consensus on this. Turkey has asked that it not be done. Stay tuned!” he added.”

  35. Tina says:

    So, let’s attack turkey, get involved in fighting between parties that have been fighting for 100s of years, and lose the airbase too? Stick to lawyering.

    mander in chief turns tail and runs.

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 13, 2019 at 6:57 pm
    The Kurds saved American lives by fighting ISIS. Trump repays them by setting up their slaughter.

    At least Tina approves.

  36. Tina says:

    All minus a war declaration and a few thousand of troops.

    Way to go.

    What is the next lesson? Have the lawyahs and General Goober manage combat?

  37. Tina says:

    Gosh Toots is angry. Maybe, she has the wrong administration,

    -Russia seized Crimea *under Obama” when he was “flexible.”

    -Trump admin is not working to “suppress democracy in Hong Kong”

    -Jamal Khashoggi was not a U.S. citizen; troops were sent in response to Iranian attacks that threatened global oil supply

    -Trump admin is looking at sanctions against Turkey
    Quote Tweet

    Barbara Boxer
    @BarbaraBoxer
    · Oct 12
    Note to tyrants: Just ask Trump. Want to seize Crimea? Go right ahead. Suppress democracy in Hong Kong? No problem. Torture & kill a U.S. journalist? He’ll even send you troops! Invade Kurdish Syria? Just pick up the phone & ask. He’s always there for you.

  38. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    37. The story of U.S. diplomacy this century:

    Blaming Trump’s incoherence, Obama’s incompetence, Bush’s malfeasance,

  39. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Where did I call for American troops to be involved. In case you did not notice, the Turks were not attacking the Kurds like they are now before Trump opened his mouth last week. He did not have to change policy.

    Stick to posting other people’s opinions. Do you heven ave your own?

  40. lisab says:

    we should not be helping the kurds to set up a new country from syrian and turkish lands

    they helped us in iraq for which they now have iraqi-kurdistan,

    but that does not mean we should help them take part of turkey, our ally since the 1950’s.

  41. Tina says:

    Incorrect. The Turks want to re settle the 3 million illegals that are in their country from the war.

    Also, on the other thread, there were over 6000 casualties over three years between both sides,

    You were on borrowed time here and going against historical infighting.

    2019 at 8:41 pm
    Tina – Where did I call for American troops to be involved. In case you did not notice, the Turks were not attacking the Kurds like they are now before Trump opened his mouth last week. He did not have to change policy.

  42. Tina says:

    And the goal was with a few thousand troops to defeat isis, using proxies.

    Not to fight as mercenaries for the Kurds against turkey.

  43. lisab says:

    Not to fight as mercenaries for the Kurds against turkey.
    ———–

    turkey from nato since 1952

  44. Bitterlaw says:

    Good luck getting proxies to fight ISIS now.

    Putting quotes at the bottom of the post is really annoying.

  45. Tina says:

    I think the arm chair lawyah needs to view this video from Colonel Mcgregor.

    https://t.co/hO6Hsp88Az

  46. Tina says:

    And in additi9n to the 3 million that turkey wanted out of their country, none of the euros wasted their isis People.

    They wanted us to take all of them with us, give them welfare, and take care of them. I know the jebots love illegals, but it is sad that the euro weenies refused their peeps.

  47. Bitterlaw says:

    I would post links from equally qualified people who disagree but Tina will just dismiss them.

    The fact that Rand Paul agrees with Tina should really worry her.

  48. Tina says:

    The fact that you are clueless is concerning,

    You do not even identify what you are hoping to accomplish here.

  49. Bitterlaw says:

    I have been here more than 15 years, Tina. I was here before you and will still to the end. I don’t pay dues to you.

    I am not the only one at HHR who thinks Trump F’ed up on this issue.

  50. Bitterlaw says:

    Did anybody else know that Tina expects us to accomplish something here?

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Col McGregor is a piece of work. He calls the Kurds the “communist and Maoist Kurds.” Where was his name-calling when they were serving for all intense purposes as our army for many years. And by they way, the Kurds protected Syrian and Iraqi Christians and other minorities, and seem to be very capitalistic in Iraqi Kurdistan. I guess when you abandon your allies you have to call them names.

  52. Bitterlaw says:

    Careful, SDC. Tina does not like to be challenged. What did your post accomplish?

  53. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It appears letting Erdogen have his way was more important than destroying ISIS. This is reminiscent of when Obama withdrew prematurely.

    “The US-led mission to defeat the Islamic State (IS) in Syria was paused today, a senior administration official told Al-Monitor, as Turkey launched airstrikes deep into northern Syria against American-backed Kurdish forces.
    It was not immediately clear whether the fight that includes approximately 1,000 US troops would resume at all, as Kurdish units the United States considers the strongest group of fighters within the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) left the IS fight Wednesday to take on Turkey.
    The Pentagon relies heavily on the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, known as the YPG, to provide protection to the small contingent of American special operations troops in Syria, including ground escorts and intelligence. The YPG is a major component of the SDF.”

    Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/us-halt-islamic-state-fight-turkey-invade-syria.html#ixzz62I66JjOI

  54. Tina says:

    Well those Syrian Kurds are ppk.

    They are commies.

  55. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    McGregor is a disciple of Rand Paul. He likes to attack General Mattis and other “establishment” military leaders.

  56. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    54. You realize those “commies” likely saved hundreds of American lives as allies in the fight against ISIS. Erdogen’s Turkey privately supported ISIS, and used to buy their oil and provide them supplies. But hey, so what if Erdogan aided terrorists to killed Americans, Trump likes him — and his country is a card carrying member of NATO — even though Erdogen has refused to support any of the NATO operations in the Mideast, and cannot be trusted with sensitive military secrets because NATO is afraid he will share them with Putin.

  57. Tina says:

    Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    How long you have been here is not relevant.

    State your case and identify your goals of making us be the body guards of the Kurds, when that was never the goal.

    The military are. Not mercenaries. It is too bad that Turkey wants to remove the 3 million refugees and the euros don’t want their isis prisoners back.

    They wanted us to pay everything. BushBama are no longe rain charge

  58. Tina says:

    Oh, I agree about turkey and referred to hedrogran as the wannabe head of the Ottoman Empire.

    I would not mind kicking them out of NATO.

    But none of the chicken hawks are for that.
    The chicken. Hawks just want us to defend Syria’s border, while they want our border open.

    Plus we take all of the isis refugees.

    Plus we lose the air base.

  59. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    54. Since Trump seems to get along swell with the North Korean commie Kin Jong Un, maybe he should give being a friend of the commie Kurds a try. Unlike Kim, they won’t threaten to nuke him on a monthly basis, and they actually will fight to save the lives of Americans soldiers and battle terrorism. That’s our type of commie.

  60. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina, are you hearing voices? Nobody at HHR opposed to Trump’s decision on this issue has supported taking in refugees.

  61. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    57. “State your case and identify your goals of making us be the body guards of the Kurds, when that was never the goal.”

    Actually it was the Kurds who were bodyguards for American troops in Syria and Iraq while we were fighting ISIS, who were often getting their weapons from Turkish sources.

  62. Tina says:

    You just proved my point.

    You don’t understand the nature of the problems here.

    You just want the troops to be mercenaries for the Kurds.

    Tina, are you hearing voices? Nobody at HHR opposed to Trump’s decision on this issue has supported taking in refugees.

  63. Tina says:

    Nobody here thought of the long term consequences.

    Losing the airbase.

    Taking in the isis descenders that the Euros refused to take.

    Going against turkey with only a few 1000 troops in place.

    Having Turkey get closer to Russia.

  64. Tina says:

    And the 3 million refugees in Turkey. Was it up to us to take them, or should they be returned to Syria?

  65. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    62. Tina, we are still fighting ISIS. They still send terrorists into the U.S. to kill Americans. We need to finish the job. We failed to do so under Obama, and withdrew prematurely, and as a result ISIS inspired terrorism increased around the world. If they gain a lot of territory again in Syria and Iraq; they will again have a base to train terrorists.

  66. Bitterlaw says:

    No. You are making my point. You are refuting arguments that nobody is making.

  67. lisab says:

    turkey and syria are both sovereign countries

    we have signed at least one international treaty and probably more pledging we will not undermine their borders

    which is especially true of turkey, which is — even if you do not like it — part of nato

  68. lisab says:

    You are refuting arguments that nobody is making.
    ————

    yeah tina, that is the bitterlaw’s only job now

  69. Tina says:

    It’s because you/others did not think of all possible consequences.

    You obviously want to fight a fellow NATO member, and did not even acknowledge the origins of the problem.

    The 3 million refugees from Syria into Turkey.

    The euro isis that the euros wanted to dump on us.

    Also, if you want another Senator, I believe Hadley (mo) is against keeping the troops in place as bodyguards for the Kurds.

  70. Bitterlaw says:

    Lisab -No matter how much you try you are not going to make it into my suicide note.

  71. Tina says:

    I agree none of the options are good here.

    There is sheot and more sheot.

    Somethings, if given those options, you have to take less sheot vs more sheot.

    I may be convinced if Congress declares war though (but I don’t want to give Quittens and Goober any ideas)

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    No. I obviously want to go back to the policy that was working 2 weeks ago.

  73. Tina says:

    It was not working.

    Turkey would have done what they would have done.

    They patiently waited.

    They do not want their border attacked by the Kurds and they do not want the 3 million Syrian refugees.

    Nobody wanted isis euros

    You were just kicking the can down the road u til you reached the end of it and could not kick the can any further.

  74. Tina says:

    The Syrian forces were also advancing up.

    Turkey forces advancing down.

    Us in the middle.

    Of a civil war type conflict.

    Yup, pull the, away and pull the, out.

  75. Tina says:

    Respect to him, but it’s not our war and our refugees.

    Dan Crenshaw
    Verified account

    @DanCrenshawTX
    Isolationists argue “it’s not our war!” while conveniently forgetting world history. When ISIS regains strength or thousands of refugees flee, it becomes our problem, again.…
    131 replies 522 retweets 1,671 likes

  76. Tina says:

    Anyway Bl, happy Columbus Day,

    I have foot surgery in the early am.

    We can reignite this upon my return in a few days of r and r.

  77. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    77. Good luck on the surgery! Hope it goes well and you come back in good form again.

  78. Bitterlaw says:

    Good luck, Tina. I will be here when you get back. I am sure you will be back on your feet quickly.

  79. lisab says:

    Lisab -No matter how much you try you are not going to make it into my suicide note.
    ——————————————-

    don’t worry bitterlaw,

    you will get a job

    you have only been unemployeed a few weeks

  80. Bitterlaw says:

    Now I am worried. Lisab is being nice to me.

    I thought she was Provincetown Strong.

  81. dblaikie says:

    Tina I hope that your surgery will be a total success! You are in my prayers.

    Now on to the events of the day. Maria at Fox Business reports that the IGDOJ report will be out by Friday. She says that the report is thicker than the phone book (since she is in Manhattan, that must mean very thick) although I am not certain what that means.

    Ed Henry at Fox is saying that very few people have been allowed to read the report and that his sources tell him it is going to “devastating for Comey and company. Well I am not going to count my chickens, I just hope it is an honest report of what happened to create the furor over Russia.

  82. jason says:

    Andy Reid on why the Chiefs rank as one of the worse teams in the league against the run and in broken tackles:

    “The obvious is that there are too many holes, and we’ve got to make sure that we squeeze on those and fill,” Reid said Sunday.

  83. dblaikie says:

    Lindsey Graham says he is writing a letter today to Nancy Pelosi saying that what is in the transcript is not an impeachable offense. He says he is going to get as many GOP Senators to sign it as possible. 5 or 6 may not be ready to sign yet, but heck all he needs is over 34 to announce that with only the transcript Impeachment is dead. I bet he gets between 45-50 signatures.

  84. jason says:

    Meanwhile, Eagles coach explains fake FG fiasco.

    “We thought it would work”

    I actually like Pederson’s aggressive strategy on 4th downs. You should trust your offense to get a yard when you really need it, especially when you have a guy like Wentz. But the caveat is when you really need it.

  85. jason says:

    I bet he gets between 45-50 signatures.”

    He should get 53.

  86. jason says:

    “devastating for Comey and company.”

    Color me skeptical.

    Devastating would be indictments.

  87. jason says:

    She says that the report is thicker than the phone book”

    Which means nobody will read it.

  88. jason says:

    LOL

    “Given that we already have the call record, we don’t need the whistleblower who wasn’t on the call to tell us what took place during the call,” Schiff said during the interview Sunday.

  89. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Please tell us what you are trying to accomplish here. Apparently, it is a new requirement at HHR.

  90. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    #89
    jason, add this from yesterday’s CBS interview with The Pencilneck:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-adam-schiff-just-admit-there-was-no-quid-pro-quo/

  91. dblaikie says:

    Jason. I agree with all of the above. 53 should sign it. But I will accept 45 to 50 with the Romneys of the party.

  92. Hugh says:

    It may be my optimism coming through but it feels like this latest impeachment push is starting to unravel. No interview with the witness?? Maybe shifty doesn’t want to be a fact witness in the senate.

  93. John says:

    Don’t a ‘dog in this fight’ but congrats to the Astros/Yankees last night for a brilliant game…the way baseball supposed to be played…down right clutch pitching…tight defense and a timely hit.

  94. jason says:

    Jason – Please tell us what you are trying to accomplish here. Apparently, it is a new requirement at HHR.”

    Well, remember the A-hole Charter.

    A-holes were not created just for fun and games.

    We are bound to disseminate our content far and wide, and what better vehicle than this forum.

    I try to carry myself true to the A-hole mission.

    Now you did it, I am getting emotional, and what we don’t need is a choked up A-hole.

  95. jason says:

    However, lofty ideals aside, I am willing to settle for lesser accomplishments.

    A few points, a GFY from Bitter, a swallowed bait or two, and my day is done.

  96. jason says:

    Where is Amoral Scumbag?

    Latest “scandal” is some parody of Trump slaughtering journalists.

    Drudge has obligatory “campaign rocked” headline.

    The same people who have defended depictions of Trump being beheaded, shot, killed, etc. are outraged, I tell you.

  97. lisab says:

    Now I am worried. Lisab is being nice to me.

    I thought she was Provincetown Strong.
    ——————–

    i am

    not sure about you though

  98. lisab says:

    romney joins dem senators and signs petition for impeachment hearings

  99. lisab says:

    hillary made a mistake commenting on trans people

    she may not be woke enough

  100. dblaikie says:

    Well, Bitter, finally a poll I trust. The New York Post took the Fox News Poll and re-weighted according to Gallup’s figures. When that is done guess what 44 in favor of impreachment and removal and 44 against. Here is the link from the Post: https://nypost.com/2019/10/12/fox-news-pollster-braun-research-misrepresented-impeachment-poll-analysis/

  101. John says:

    101

    I starting to not believe in any of these polls about impeachment.
    Axios did a focus group from Youngstown, Ohio and found out that these independents are actually fed up with this Democratic impeachment push.
    This is the feeling I get from people around me as well…

    https://www.axios.com/focus-group-ohio-swing-voters-impeachment-00008092-fc50-4c09-aa0d-073d26ddbb2c.html

  102. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Trump denied the SDF request and also refused to call Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan after Turkish-backed forces bracketed US troops with artillery fire in Kobani on Friday, the official, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to speak freely, said.
    The official was referring to Friday’s incident in the Syrian border town of Kobani where US forces came under Turkish artillery fire and managed to escape unharmed. Turkey denied that it had deliberately targeted the forces, saying it was acting in self defense. But various US officials, speaking not for attribution, insisted that Turkey knew where they were and were seeking to push US forces out of the area. If so, the tactic worked.”

    Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/us-full-withdrawal-northern-syria-turkish-forces-advance.html#ixzz62M60n4KU

    Disgraceful.

  103. dblaikie says:

    Well guess what ABC had a video on their national news program which they said showed the Turks bashing and killing the innocent Kurds. However it turns out that it was a video of Kentucky gun demonstration in 2017. They have apologized and taken down the video.

    The moral is, you better be careful before you condemn Trump with media stories. When are people (some on this site) ever going to learn.

  104. NYCmike says:

    “Disgraceful.”

    -As a person who didn’t volunteer, but thought that American forces should be deployed in certain areas to promote peace and tranquility, this is one of those areas where we need to tread lightly.

    A simple look at a map, where there are 3-4 intersecting countries, plus the different warlords/clans etc, not to mention the long history which the participants refuse to forget about…what exactly is our goal here?

    For those that want to stay – what do you see as our relationship with Turkey, a NATO ally? Are we willing to take a look at that alliance and its effectiveness/usefulness at the present time?

    For those that want to leave – what is needed to make the decision to go into such a place? ISIS retaking all of the lands it had occupied in 2016?

  105. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Whatever I think of Trump at the moment, in a Trump vs. Warren race I will vote for Trump. Dooming the nation to socialism is a far worse fate than a president who commits a foreign policy blunder.

  106. Robbie says:

    Trump made ISIS great again!

  107. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 14, 2019 at 3:15 pm
    The moral is, you better be careful before you condemn Trump with media stories. When are people (some on this site) ever going to learn.

    – The moral is this Christina minister said he doesn’t care about the Kurds in Syria like the female politician who was dragged out her car and shot in the head by Turkish militia members. As long as he gets his redemptive act judges from his golden calf named Trump, Conman Don can do anything he wants.

  108. Robbie says:

    Trump’s great and unmatched wisdom (in the minds of dblaikie and Jason fraud) has created a massive humanitarian crisis in the Middle East and he’s allowed ISIS to reform. It will be one of many stains on his corrupt and incompetent presidency.

    And oh by the way, Trump has given a clear foreign policy victory to Erdogan, Assad, the ayatollahs in Iran, and Putin, some of his favorite authoritarians. Meanwhile, Conman Don has sold down the river American allies like the Kurds, the Israelis, and many others.

    BUT MUH JUDGES!

  109. NYCmike says:

    Mama Outrage is BACK!

    Rock ’em Sock ’em Robbie!

  110. NYCmike says:

    Robbie is the same guy who went after Trump for saying bad things about Turkey a couple years ago.

    All he knows is that whatever Trump does, he is against it.

  111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Both Warren and Sanders have been advocating troop withdrawals from Syria for a long time. It is complete hypocrisy for trolls to attack Trump on the issue.

    Here is a quote from a Warren Mideast policy statement:

    “Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria: U.S. should withdraw troops from those countries.
    Warren, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, supports reducing the U.S. military’s presence in some global hotspots.
    Last November, she called for the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan.
    Warren also says the U.S. should withdraw service members from Iraq and Syria, though she has not gone into detail about what timetables she would support for those withdrawals.”

  112. NYCmike says:

    That link shows the footage which dblaikie was speaking about………Robbie is silent on that….for some reason…….

  113. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Trump had stood his ground and had American troops defend the Kurds, troll would have attacked Trump for risking American soldier’s lives. Does the clown think he is fooling anyone?

    And the troll shouldn’t even try to praise Romney now, the candidate he did a victory lap dance celebrating his loss on election night in 2012.

  114. dblaikie says:

    Wormtongue, be respectful!!

  115. CG says:

    “Any nation which would prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a Master and deserves one.”

  116. Robbie says:

    “But muh socialism” was an extremely effective campaign slogan McCain used against Obama. It’s probably why McCain defeated Obama. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

  117. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 14, 2019 at 4:06 pm
    Mama Outrage is BACK!
    Rock ’em Sock ’em Robbie!

    – Super Trump moron is back!

  118. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 14, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    If Trump had stood his ground and had American troops defend the Kurds, troll would have attacked Trump for risking American soldier’s lives. Does the clown think he is fooling anyone?

    – I get such a kick out of poor SDC. Last December, he wanted Trump removed from office for threatening to sell out the Kurds in Syria. Then he laughably claimed Rasmussen was a credible pollster and that Peter Navarro was a respected economist. Then when he gets called on it, he cries that he’s tired of the personal attacks even as he claims I’m mentally unstable.

    Trumpism is a degenerative disease.

  119. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 14, 2019 at 4:31 pm
    Wormtongue, be respectful!!

    – The Christian minister who says he would chose judges over the lives of an American ally shouts that I need to be respectful while calling me names.

  120. Bitterlaw says:

    Corey and Robbie just do not pay attention. You can hate Trump but hate Democrats more. Vote against the Dem and accept that Trump wins.

  121. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    122. Are Corey and Robbie going to state they would prefer Warren to win rather than Trump?

  122. Phil says:

    I think they already have, SD. It’s why I just scroll past their posts without bothering to read them anymore.

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    124. I don’t recall them stating it expressly, so need to hear if from them. I have spent several days criticizing Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds, but when I stated would still vote for Trump over Warren, they immediately arrived like flies sensing carrion. Now when asked how they would vote, they immediately disappear. If they disagree with me, they should tell me why I should vote for Warren instead of Trump.

  124. CG says:

    Because people here are in a bunker mentality and literally cannot accept anything that doesn’t seek to allay their fears.

    Non-echo chamber = trolls

    Don’t worry Bitterlaw, I expect to still be voting against the Democrats. I have yet to ever vote for one in my life.

    However, Donald Trump is a complete and utter disgrace to my country. Period.

  125. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 14, 2019 at 4:58 pm
    Corey and Robbie just do not pay attention. You can hate Trump but hate Democrats more. Vote against the Dem and accept that Trump wins.

    – This is nonsense. Since when did being a Republican and a conservative get reduced to just hating Democrats? If that’s all the Republican Party and the conservative movement are, then no one wonder the party has won the popular vote in a presidential race just once since 1988 and almost certainly won’t win it in 2020.

    I will not vote for Trump because he is unfit to lead the country and we see that every day. He is mentally and emotionally unwell and we see that every in his Twitter feed and the Nuremburg style rallies he holds. On top of that he is incompetent and incapable of understanding complex issues. We’re seeing that on full display in Syria.

    I view the top Democrats running for president as ideologically wrong. Their policies will have bad consequences on the economy just as Carter’s did, but that’s a far cry from viewing someone as mentally unfit to serve. And as we saw with Carter’s terrible term, bad policy can be reversed very quickly by a great president like Reagan.

    It will take years and years for the Republican Party to live down its association with conman Trump. He has repulsed key ethnic voting groups and he has turned off young voters in droves. The only people who seem to like his horrible brand of politics are white mouth breathing boomers who spend their days watching FoxNews and crying that the country no longer looks like it did in 1985.

    I hope and I expect Trump will lose next year and I hope he suffers a humiliating defeat. Hopefully, a large defeat will purge is his grotesque from of populism from the party. If you want to twist yourself into knots as you did in 2016, go right ahead. At least, you’ve always been honest about the horrible person Trump is. But don’t tell me he’s ok because we need to hate Democrats more.

  126. CG says:

    You shouldn’t vote for Warren or Trump. I hope that’s clear.

    You should vote for someone or write in someone that gives you a clear conscience. You don’t live in a swing state either.

  127. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:03 pm
    122. Are Corey and Robbie going to state they would prefer Warren to win rather than Trump?

    – I prefer a Republican not named Trump. The party has it in its power to make that so. But as long as people like you continue to excuse and defend Trump, we’re stuck with him. And if he’s the nominee, I’ll do just what I did in 2016. I’ll wash my hands of the race and not participate.

    By the way, didn’t you choose not to vote for Trump in 2016? So I guess under your own line of thinking you preferred Clinton?

  128. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:08 pm
    I think they already have, SD. It’s why I just scroll past their posts without bothering to read them anymore.

    – Boomer Phil here to tell us that anyone who doesn’t support Trump is liberal who watched the View. This is all Ana Navarro’s fault, right?

  129. CG says:

    SDC has stated very openly here that he almost always votes for Democrats down the ballot.

    If that is what he thinks is best, then he should continue do so. If he thinks voting for Republicans is now best, then he should do that I expect to vote for non-Trump Republicans, as I always have.

    If you think Trump is acting disgracefully in regards to the Kurds, vote your conscience, but be prepared to own it. Your vote will not be anyone else’s responsibility or fault. I just note that last time you were upset with Trump about the Kurds, you felt it gave you license to say he was guilty in everything Russia related as well and that he should be impeached/25th Amendemented, etc. You said all of this in December of 2018. Then someone changed your mind about Trump and the Kurds (and I guess they may not have been right after all) and you said “never mind anything I said.”

    Hopefully, SDC will re-think what makes someone a “liberal troll.”

  130. NYCmike says:

    These 2 are typical millenials – they think they don’t have to make any tough decisions in life.

    “CG” refuses to make a list of things that Trump has done that any other Republican would have done, because that would make him realize how much better Trump is than a Democrat.

    Robbie will claim that ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN would have done the good things Trump has done, but refuse to give him any credit for those actions.

    BOTH of them will refuse to ask themselves about Trump’s pro-life policies, as that will make them admit to themselves that they care nothing about such policies.

    They are both b*llsh*tters to the highest degree!

  131. CG says:

    There’s only one thing that Trump has done that no other Republican would do that “trumps” all and that is betray America for his own benefit.

    Game over.

  132. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    129. “But as long as people like you continue to excuse and defend Trump.”

    Don’t know if my comments recently can be construed as excusing and defending Trump. I agree with Bitter: “You can hate Trump but hate Democrats more.” Keep in mind, Warren, Sanders, OAC and the current leftist Democrats would have immediately pulled U.S. troops out of Syria as well — and add to that they would adopt socialist policies in the U.S. as well.

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie twists himself into absurd positions to pretend that allowing a Democrat to be elected President will serve the interests of conservatives. Carter was a bad President but he was not elected promising to socialize America. The current Dem field will do just that with Executive Orders and SCOTUS picks.

  134. CG says:

    David Duke professes to be Pro-Life too and always ran on that platform position.

    I suppose that should be good enough. It’s not.

  135. NYCmike says:

    “If you think Trump is acting disgracefully in regards to the Kurds, vote your conscience, but be prepared to own it.”

    -This is from the same guy who thinks George Bush Sr walks on water!

  136. CG says:

    I have no reason to believe that anybody has ever “walked on water” but I have seen video evidence of Charlton Heston parting the Red Sea.

  137. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:28 pm
    Robbie twists himself into absurd positions to pretend that allowing a Democrat to be elected President will serve the interests of conservatives.

    – This is hot garbage. I’ve never said Democrats will serve the interests of conservatives. In fact, I know it’s the exact opposite. Unfortunately, we’re going to get Democrats not serving the interests of conservatives precisely because of Trump.

  138. Robbie says:

    Every election cycle Republicans campaign on some version of “Democrats are socialist”. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. Unfortunately, Republicans sound more and more like the boy who cried wolf when they use this every cycle. It’s become background noise. In fact, Republicans campaign on that very idea in 2018. How’d it work?

  139. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – You are the delusional one thinking that electing a Democrat will automatically bring about a Reagan-like savior. The Dems okay to win and will stack the deck against that. Socialism has an appeal for those not paying for it. Just make some new “citizens” to run up the score and hold the White House for years.

  140. CG says:

    Trump is far worse than a socialist. Still, I will not vote for a “socialist” and for that, I should be thanked for my personal restraint.

    If the people decide that Trump is so bad that a socialist is preferable, then that is both the verdict of the people and the fault of those who with plenty of evidence to the contrary decided that sticking with Trump was smart politics. They will have been proven wrong.

    If a “socialist” is ever President, then freedom loving people should oppose them via their elected representatives and in future elections. If Warren or whomever else proves to be so bad, then they will be voted against and voted out in due course.

    However, Trump’s appeals to nationalism and authoritarianism only grease the skids for the rise of socialism. That will be on the people who looked at the Trump era and merely shrugged.

  141. Bitterlaw says:

    For years, I have avoided calling Dems socialists and Marxists and I have been mocked for it. While I still refuse to call them Marxists (they are not), Warren, AOC (no doubt getting ready for 2027), Sanders, etc are advocating socialist medicine and taxation policies.

  142. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    131. “SDC has stated very openly here that he almost always votes for Democrats down the ballot.”

    California has non-partisan elections, and in the liberal area I vote it usually is between two Democrats. The Republicans regularly do not run candidates in urban areas of California. But I have no problem voting for a moderate Democratic — the Democratic candidate for president is likely to be a far left socialist.

    In December 2018, despite talk of abandoning the Kurds, Trump continued U.S. support. Sadly he has not done so now. I am very disappointed, but the Democrats are now so far left that I will likely vote Trump since a lot of his economic policies and other things he has done are very good. Its a lesser of two evils vote. The scales come down heavily in favor of Trump.

  143. CG says:

    You were voting long before California switched it’s system, were you not?

  144. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:36 pm
    Robbie – You are the delusional one thinking that electing a Democrat will automatically bring about a Reagan-like savior.

    – I’m not saying electing a Democrats will bring about a Reagan-like savior. I’m saying I object to Democrats because of their ideology and policy. And in the long run, a Republican president can undue or change bad policy.

    On the other hand, the Republican Party will not be easily able to disassociate itself from the ghastly Trump presidency that is based on a cult of personality. Trumpism isn’t about judges and tax cuts. It’s about obedience to the dear leader; it’s about anger towards growing ethnic diversity; it’s about rank nastiness.

    If you want to boil down the Trump presidency to an easy to understand video and why it won’t be easy to move past, just watch Trump’s awful performance at his Minneapolis rally last week where he repeatedly used profanity.

  145. CG says:

    Step on the scale anyway you want but you are saying you prefer danger to disgrace.

    I disagree as Alexander Hamilton, (whom Bitterlaw gave a standing ovation to) did.

    “Any nation that can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a Master and deserves one.”

  146. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    140. “Every election cycle Republicans campaign on some version of “Democrats are socialist”. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.”

    So Robbie are you saying that calling Warren, Sanders, OAC and the other leftist Democratic candidates socialist is wrong?

  147. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    147. I would rather not have the danger be electing a socialist to head the nation. Its more than dangerous, its national suicide.

  148. Bitterlaw says:

    Many freedom loving people oppose abortion. Once SCOTUS made it a right- they could not vote it out. Wait until the Dems seize SCOTUS again. 9 Justices are a tradition and not a permanent rule. If Warren is elected, there will be an attempt to make it 11.

  149. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:46 pm
    140. “Every election cycle Republicans campaign on some version of “Democrats are socialist”. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.”
    So Robbie are you saying that calling Warren, Sanders, OAC and the other leftist Democratic candidates socialist is wrong?

    – I know they are wrong. Unfortunately, Republicans use this argument every time against every Democrat. They used it against Clinton in 1992. And if it was as potent as you and the Trump campaign believe it is, then why did Republicans lose 40 House seats in 2018?

  150. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:48 pm
    147. I would rather not have the danger be electing a socialist to head the nation. Its more than dangerous, its national suicide.

    – I would rather not have the danger of having another four years of a mentally well president and the awful consequences of his ill-informed policy decisions. It’s been murder for the Kurds, an American ally.

  151. Bitterlaw says:

    There is no such thing as Trumpism. When he leaves office, the GOP goes back to ideology and not a personality cult.

  152. CG says:

    Yes, you have made it clear. You prefer the danger over the disgrace.

    I think there is danger in either outcome but only true disgrace if Trumpism runs rampant.

    But plenty of people throughout our history have decided it would be better to live on their knees than die on their feet.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    152. The impact of socialist policies and open borders does not seem to matter to you?

  154. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    154. “But plenty of people throughout our history have decided it would be better to live on their knees than die on their feet.”

    Socialists have a tendency to kill those people.

  155. CG says:

    So might a person who says they can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any support.

    After all, his opponent would still be a socialist, right?

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    157. A person who says that is dumb.

  157. Wes says:

    I would rather not have the danger of having another four years of a mentally well president

    I don’t know about Robbie, but I certainly prefer a mentally well President to a mentally unwell one.

  158. NYCmike says:

    ” Unfortunately, we’re going to get Democrats not serving the interests of conservatives precisely because of Trump.”

    -Even this is Trump’s fault……the same way Rudy is blamed for minorities being targeted by cops in NYC…..while the number of murders, of mainly minorities, goes from over 2000 per year to 300 a year!

    Absolute hatred of Trump makes you utter gibberish.

  159. Phil says:

    Warren’s positions –

    Abortion – few if any limits
    Supreme Court – increase the # of justices
    College – “free”. Tax payers pay for it
    Student debt – cancel it
    Health care – single payer and abolish private health insurance
    Corporate income tax – raise it above the level it was in 2017
    Wealth tax – impose on multi millionaires
    Reparations – study them
    Illegal immigration – total amnesty, citizenship for dreamers,
    Health care for illegals – yes, and we pay for it.
    Electoral College – abolish it
    Climate – abolish fracking, institute heavy carbon taxes
    Guns – national gun registry, mandatory buy backs
    Social programs – greatly expand by numbers in the trillions
    I’m just scratching the surface. Name one of the above that lefty Obama ran on in 2008. You can’t because even he didn’t. He was a moderate compared to Warren and the positions she has gleefully embraced. That should scare the hell out of you. No, I don’t think there will be much of a problem labeling Warren what she is – a socialist and an extremist.

  160. CG says:

    Trump is both dumb and a disgrace.

    Neither he nor Elizabeth Warren are going to “shoot people.” The difference is that he genuinely thinks he could and get away with it.

  161. NYCmike says:

    “CG” repeating the Fifth Avenue nonsense shows you his grasp of reality under his TDS.

  162. NYCmike says:

    “Trump is both dumb and a disgrace.”

    -He must have had millions of $$ which helped him in the primaries, I would guess…..

  163. CG says:

    At one point or another, Trump has had just about every one of those positions listed above and may very well again.

    You guys are going to need some different talking point if Biden gets nominated. No, I wont vote for him either.

    Bye.

  164. NYCmike says:

    “I think there is danger in either outcome but only true disgrace if Trumpism runs rampant.”

    -More nonsense.

    Starting to think his parents tell him one thing and do another, so as not to make his world fall apart.

  165. NYCmike says:

    “At one point or another, Trump has had just about every one of those positions listed above and may very well again.”

    -He has been in office for 3 years.

    Which of those has he pushed legislation on?

  166. NYCmike says:

    When the Iraqi helicopter gunships were decimating the Kurds in 1991, was that the President’s fault, or will “CG” lay that off on someone else?

  167. Phil says:

    Has Trump advocated ANY of those positions as President?

    No. Would Warren? Yes, she is running on them.

    Thanks, that’s all I need to know.

  168. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    161. But those socialist policies, which require billions (if not trillions) of dollars and skyrocketing taxes, are minor issues compared with the fact that Trump is such a meanie.

  169. Wes says:

    This may be an unpopular position here, but I’m all for Warren’s wealth tax. If a bunch of rich liberals from Hollywood and Wall Street want to bankroll campaigns for left wingers, then I fully believe those rich liberals deserve to suffer the consequences of their political allegiance.

  170. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 14, 2019 at 5:53 pm
    There is no such thing as Trumpism. When he leaves office, the GOP goes back to ideology and not a personality cult.

    – I used to think this, but not anymore. Regrettably as we saw in 2015 and 2016, the base of the party no longer supported the version of conservatism that had existed since the late 1970’s with the rise of Reagan. Up through 2012, deviating from the conservative orthodoxies was a killer in Republican primaries.

    In 2015 and 2016, Trump galvanized and energized the core base of the party with positions that would have sunk any other candidate in previous presidential primaries. He was a philanderer, he was uninformed, and he was nasty to the nth degree. He even accused GWB of knowing about the 9/11 attack beforehand and doing nothing about in a SC primary debate.

    Trump in just four years has remade the party and changed conservatism for the worse. The base of the party is now isolationist, pacifist, populist, and just plain angry. The sunny optimism of Reagan has been replaced with grievance. Now, the Republican Party stands for two things: loyal obedience to Trump and hating the media. That’s it. That’s what animates the party.

    Watch who become the “leaders” of the party as we head into 2020. It won’t be Nikki Haley or Mike Pence. It’s going to be populists like Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeo who go on FoxNews offer up Trumpism with out Trump. It’s going to be people like Gym Jordan who tickle the erogenous zone of Rush Limbaugh.

    If you think it’s going to be Marco Rubio running on the Reagan playbook, you haven’t been paying attention.

  171. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 14, 2019 at 6:05 pm
    I would rather not have the danger of having another four years of a mentally well president
    I don’t know about Robbie, but I certainly prefer a mentally well President to a mentally unwell one.

    – I wondered how long it would take for someone to notice my typo.

  172. Phil says:

    As much as i’d Like to see the Hollywood left and lefty billionaires pay through the nose confiscation of wealth that has already been taxed once terrifies me. A government that can seize wealth scares the crap out of me. Slippery slope that concept.

  173. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 14, 2019 at 6:07 pm
    ” Unfortunately, we’re going to get Democrats not serving the interests of conservatives precisely because of Trump.”
    -Even this is Trump’s fault……

    – Yes, it is. there’s precisely zero chance someone like Warren would be taken seriously had we not had the disaster called Trump.

    In the same vein, we would not have gotten Obama had GWB’s second term not been such a disaster.

  174. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    171. Sadly, I can see your point. Lets try it first for about 10 years in California, and see if it works. After 10 years, after all the rich left-wingers have fled the state, we can evaluate its effect — and see how long it will take for California to recover from bankruptcy.

  175. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 14, 2019 at 6:07 pm
    “CG” repeating the Fifth Avenue nonsense shows you his grasp of reality under his TDS.

    – NYCmoron has a hard time accepting his orange savior said something inconvenient like the 5th Avenue comment.

  176. Wes says:

    Upscale liberals from the Northeast have been invading my home state for over a decade now and almost made us Virginia South till native Tarheels began rebelling in 2010. Since then, the GOP has controlled the political equilibrium here with two noteworthy exceptions: Roy Cooper and judges.

    I want those people to see the deleterious effects of the policies advocated by the people they vote for to discourage them from trying to make us into a de facto Northeastern state.

  177. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 14, 2019 at 6:14 pm
    161. But those socialist policies, which require billions (if not trillions) of dollars and skyrocketing taxes, are minor issues compared with the fact that Trump is such a meanie.

    – Did you happen to notice the budget deficit that Trump just had or are we avoiding inconvenient facts?

  178. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    175. “Yes, it is. there’s precisely zero chance someone like Warren would be taken seriously had we not had the disaster called Trump.”

    There is some truth to this, but lets not forget that Sanders ran a strong race against Clinton in 2016 prior to the Trump presidency. There are all sorts of social and economic factors that caused the rise of Trump and Sanders, and the current polarization. Future historians will have an interesting time analyzing this period of time.

  179. Phil says:

    We’re suffering the consequences here in Texas of Californians fleeing the results of California leftist policies. Unfortunately, they haven’t changed their politics and bring those with them so the state is less red.

  180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    181. California transplants expect the same level of services they receive in California, but think it can be done at the lower tax rate of where they move. Its insane. They bring with them the problems they are fleeing.

  181. NYCmike says:

    “– Did you happen to notice the budget deficit that Trump just had or are we avoiding inconvenient facts?”

    -There he goes again…..passing his own budgets!

    Reagan would have LOVED to have this sort of power!

  182. NYCmike says:

    We got Trump because of Bush and Obama, and a media which gets increasingly transparent in their bias towards protecting their Democratic counterparts.

    And people that you worship, like JEB!2016 and Romney, who are “gentlemen”, lie down when faced with the vitriol which Trump takes head on.

    Your choice in favored politicians is only surpassed when you say you would accept a radical leftist over a supposed NYC liberal Democrat who has governed closer to Reagan than to Clinton.

  183. Ron N says:

    181. Washington and Oregon have had this problem for the last 2 decades it has changed everything. It’s almost in possible to change them they f-up California and leave because of it. Then they f-up the next state.

  184. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 14, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    We got Trump because of Bush and Obama, and a media which gets increasingly transparent in their bias towards protecting their Democratic counterparts.
    And people that you worship, like JEB!2016 and Romney, who are “gentlemen”, lie down when faced with the vitriol which Trump takes head on.
    Your choice in favored politicians is only surpassed when you say you would accept a radical leftist over a supposed NYC liberal Democrat who has governed closer to Reagan than to Clinton.

    – Cry more.

  185. Pitchaboy says:

    Nothing changes. The lunatic liberal posing as a Never Trump Republican is still regurgitating his MSNBC points

  186. Bitterlaw says:

    Don’t worry, Wes. While I am not a liberal, there is no chance that I will ever move to NC. On the other hand, my brother is very conservative and may move there from NJ in a few years.

  187. Bitterlaw says:

    Welcome back, Pitch. Still saving lives?

  188. Pitchaboy says:

    Yep Bitter. Same job.

  189. Victrc says:

    Exactly. Texans don’t want Californians moving here to Texas (or in Idaho or anywhere else) because they bring their liberal folly, massive taxes and social spending, distorted values and failed politics with them. Like locusts that spread and decimate lush areas, Californians come in and decimate thriving, good, healthy communities. Instead they should stay in California And reap what they sow!!

  190. NYCmike says:

    “– Cry more.”

    -Can’t wait until November 2020.

    I know I can handle a socialist, since we already dealt with 8 years of Obama.

    The big question will be if you can deal with a Trump re-election……..ooh baby, the meds will be flowing in Robbie’s cockpit if the unthinkable occurs a 2nd time!!

  191. Phil says:

    182

    Very well stated.

  192. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Speaking of California’s progressive follies. Take solar power — about one million California homes have solar, and you would think it would come in handy during the massive utility blackouts that California experiences during fires.

    Not so, the home solar systems are connected to the electric grid to allow net metering and for sale of electric power to the grid. When the grid is down in a blackout, the solar is also down — both day and night.

  193. Bitterlaw says:

    How are these evil Californians moving into Texas? Texans are selling to them or Texans are building places for them to live. Either way, these Texans don’t seem too worried.

  194. lisab says:

    i hear mostly they move to texas to get a job

  195. Paul says:

    Where’s Steve Bullock? I’m waiting for the Montana Momentum to kick in.

  196. lisab says:

    we prefer seth bullock

  197. lisab says:

    Progressive Utopia Of California Becomes First State To Eliminate Electricity Entirely

  198. lisab says:

    Elizabeth Warren Directs Audience To Look Into Flashy Thing So They’ll Forget Her Previous Contradictory Statements

  199. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Maria Bartolomo says that the FISA Report release has been delayed until the end of the month.
    This is very frustrating!

  200. Wes says:

    We haven’t much of a problem with lefty Californians here. Northeasterners are our bete noire. They infest Charlotte and the Triangle like bloodsucking flies trying to remake my beautiful state as another People’s Democratic Republic of New York or New England. Fortunately since 2010, we’ve mostly outvoted them. Judges have been our major failure in that regard because of the Assembly’s stupidity in reforming judicial voting a few years ago.

    We need to correct that and continue to beat them on the non judicial front.

  201. Paul says:

    I feel sorry for Sadam Hussein these days. Timing was off for his life. He and a president Trump would have likely been best buddies if in power at the same time. They’d be planning on a Baghdad tower about now.

  202. NYCmike says:

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/steyer-if-gop-wins-in-2020-literally-it-could-be-the-end-of-the-world/

    -Steyer says:

    1) Republicans will never win again if the Democrats win in 2020

    or

    2) If Republicans win, it will be the end of the world.

    Which will Robbie and “CG” choose?

    It sounds like either choose:

    1) your master

    or

    2) time for G-D.

  203. NYCmike says:

    “They’d be planning on a Baghdad tower about now.”

    -Wes would be an investor.

  204. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Also many move to Texas to be able to buy a house, which are much more affordable and have nice yards. Businesses flee California to Texas to escape California’s onerous costs and regulations. Overcrowding and long commutes are also a problem in California. Try driving daily from Los Angeles to Victorville.

    California is a large state, but much of the interior is desert or mountains. Central Valley is agriculture, although it is urbanizing. Most people are crowded into the coastal area. I heard an estimate that about almost 8% of the nation’s population is crowded into a sliver of coastal land from Santa Barbara to San Diego that consists of less than 1% of the continental U.S.

    In a nicer coastal areas, detached homes are costing over $1,000,000, and over $500,000 for a condo. Prices are even higher in places like San Francisco, Santa Barbara, Newport Beach or other ritzy areas right on the coast.

    What you get are clogged roadways, very high taxes and expenses (gas is now over $4.00 a gallon), strip mall development, and parks and public areas that are hobo havens. At night a major park near where I live is a zombie jungle. It sounds like a scene from the movie “The Howling.” We have about 33% of the nation’s welfare recipients (12% of its population). Petty thief is rampant.

    I could go on…we all have our exit strategies. Its sad because it has not been that long ago when California was about the best possible place to live. I live part-time in Utah, which is a night and day difference.

  205. NYCmike says:

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/10/14/Gavin-Newsom-signs-law-barring-California-schools-from-opening-before-8-am/5941571035314/?sl=1

    -Not so sure about this “science”.

    Seems like children are getting coddled more and more, yet are less self-reliant, less self-sufficient, and also aren’t as happy as prior generations.

  206. NYCmike says:

    “I live part-time in Utah, which is a night and day difference.”

    -Is that because of the magic underwear?

  207. Phil says:

    The state capitol and home of the University of Texas city of Austin is the destination of the largest number of California transplants. Travis County was actually carried by Bush over Gore. Now? Kerry, Obama twice, and Hillary carried it by 250,000. Beto carried it by over 200K. It’s politics are now far left and it’s city council is Berkeley far left. The council enacted a policy allowing homeless to live on the sidewalks, parking lots, parks you name it. It’s nasty. Downtown is a garbage dump. Needles, feces and drug addicts everywhere. Governor Abbot gave the mayor and city council to clean it up or the state will move to do it. A blue island in a sea of red, the city is a disgrace…..and the California leftists keep coming.

  208. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1183017868742594560

    -“CG” would condemn Trump for words quicker than he will condemn Biden/NBC/Democrats for actions.

  209. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump’s latest: “Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte.”

    Given Trump’s inflated self-image, wonder if the reference to Napoleon means Trump is thinking of going back in.

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    203. “I feel sorry for Sadam Hussein these days. Timing was off for his life. He and a president Trump would have likely been best buddies if in power at the same time. They’d be planning on a Baghdad tower about now.”

    Paul, you might be right on this one.

  211. Biterlaw says:

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Can somebody please shut down Trump’s twitter account? At least for a day?

  212. NYCmike says:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-14/queen-delivers-speech-to-uk-parliament-as-brexit-looms/11600932

    -I wonder how her and Thatcher got along, because both of them have some set of ballz!

  213. NYCmike says:

    https://social.quodverum.com/@ThomasWic/102962919525947116

    -Maybe Trump happens to be speaking to a different set of advisors, and they have a different way of looking at things……how about we all calm down and see what actually happens over there, since the news can obviously be told from the perspective of the person reporting, or thru the agenda they may have.

  214. lisab says:

    BREAKING: ABC News shows Turkish armored column advancing into Northern Syria

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkV65vOQxGM

  215. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    215. The Queen reads a speech prepared for her by the prime minister’s government; she does not have hardly any say in its contents. She does amazing for age 93. A truly amazing sovereign.

  216. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    197. “Where’s Steve Bullock? I’m waiting for the Montana Momentum to kick in.”

    Paul, we agreed twice today. I was waiting for his moment as well; both Bullock and Hickenlooper from Colorado I greatly respect. They are not socialist, and I could have supported either. Hickenlooper got booed at the California Democratic Convention for saying “socialism is not the answer”. The Democrats like lemmings are running as fast as possible over the far left ledge.

  217. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    214. It would have been wonderful if Iron Lady Thatcher was the leader who dealt with Erdogan.
    Trump reminds me more and more of Obama, who often appeared afraid of his own shadow when confronting belligerent foreign powers. It was his timid behavior in drawing the line in the sand in Syria, then backing down that showed Putin he was a paper tiger. Putin subsequently annexed the Crimea. Trump’s backing down against Iran in the tanker attack, then backing down against Erdogan in Syria are sending a bad signal. The dog can bark but not bite.

  218. lisab says:

    sdc,

    try to imagine the kurds do not own syria or turkey

    then trump’s refusal to help the kurds conquer territory that does not belong to them makes sense

  219. George says:

    Lebron James, the self-proclaimed authority on who is “educated”.

    On Rockets GM who tweeted in support of pro-democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong:
    LeBron says he believes Rockets GM Daryl Morey wasn’t educated when he spoke about Hong Kong and that his tweet could have hurt a lot of people, including financially

    On Trump voters:
    “At the end of the day, I don’t think a lot of people was educated,” he said. “And I think that’s one of the biggest problems that we have. When it becomes vote time, people are just not educated on either the individual or what’s going on in the state of the world right now. … I don’t think a lot of people are educated and they make choices and say things that are uneducated.”

  220. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    221. “sdc, try to imagine the kurds do not own syria or turkey.”

    Lisab, try and imagine that the Irish don’t own Ireland, and that it belongs to Great Britain, or the Poles don’t own their country, it traditionally belonged to Germany. This is an intensely stupid argument. People who have lived on owned their land for thousands of years have a right to self-government. There are around 40 million Kurds in the world, but were supposed to pretend they do not exist and have no rights. Up to 25% of Turkey’s population is Kurdish, yet Turkey has attempted to suppress the Kurdish language, dress and culture.

    But of course in the past century, Turkey committed genocide and murdered millions of Armenian and Greek Christians, who despite living in in their lands for thousands of years, probably fall under your standard of living for thousands of years on land that did not belong to them. Do you have a list of ethnic groups on the planet who have no rights, and can be exterminated? Your trying to justify the behavior of a country that exterminated millions of Christians in the last century.

  221. Robbie says:

    Michael Weiss
    @michaeldweiss

    Fairly certain, although not 100%, that the Russian takeover of the U.S. base in Manbij is the first instance of Moscow claiming an abandoned U.S. military installation since World War II.

    – Thank you, President Trump!

  222. VictrC says:

    Ah yes…because having someone like this as President with the Executive order pen is better than Trump. Right?

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/orourke-doubles-down-on-punishing-churches-opposed-to-same-sex-marriage/

  223. Victrc says:

    …and this must be ok too. Right? I mean she supports Trumo so obviously she deserves it, no?

    And yes, those are the people who would be much better leading the country and in charge…well as king as it’s not Trump! Anything but Trump and Trump supporters deserve to be attacked, humiliated, denigrated and marginalized because my candidate didn’t win!!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1183912187183546368

  224. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A angry article in the Military Times today.

    “It was a global rallying cry as Kurdish fighters besieged in the Syrian city of Kobani began to fight back what appeared to be an invincible wave of ISIS fighters pillaging the region in 2014.
    With the aid of U.S. airstrikes, Kurdish fighters would eventually take back the city in January 2015, and a steadfast partnership was born between the U.S. military and the Kurdish-led forces who ultimately re-branded themselves as the Syrian Democratic Forces.
    Nearly five years later, and 11,000 SDF killed liberating northeast Syria from ISIS’ hellish rule, the nearly 60,000 U.S.-trained force has been abandoned by its American partners and is under sustained assault by Turkish forces and their ragtag crew of proxy fighters — some who have reportedly fought under ISIS and al-Qaida banners.
    The SDF’s demise threatens to erase gains over the last five years that have forced ISIS militants into hiding in remote pockets in the desert and across the Euphrates.
    A sustained counterterrorism campaign to knock out ISIS sleeper cells is in jeopardy of ending as Turkish warplanes reportedly destroyed a coalition-trained SDF commando camp tasked with taking out ISIS leaders and financiers.”

    https://www.militarytimes.com/2019/10/14/the-end-of-an-era-60000-strong-us-trained-sdf-partner-force-crumbles-in-a-week-under-heavy-turkish-assault/?tm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Marine%20Corps%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup

    https://www.militarytimes.com/2019/10/14/the-end-of-an-era-60000-strong-us-trained-sdf-partner-force-crumbles-in-a-week-under-heavy-turkish-ssault/?tm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Marine%20Corps%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup

  225. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she and GOP Senator Lindsey Graham have agreed Congress needs a resolution to “overturn” President Trump’s decision to hastily pull troops from northern Syria.

    “Pleased to have a conversation with Senator @LindseyGrahamSC this morning,” Pelosi tweeted. “Our first order of business was to agree that we must have a bipartisan, bicameral joint resolution to overturn the president’s dangerous decision in Syria immediately.”

  226. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “President Donald Trump tweeted Monday that the Kurds may intentionally be releasing ISIS prisoners to get the U.S. involved.”

    Those devious Kurds, sneaking away from guard duty to go fight with the Turks. Some of the Turkish “allies” fighting the Kurds are former ISIS and Al Qaeda fighters.

  227. VictrC says:

    SDC

    I agree that his policy is wrong, and I hold out hope he will reverse it on his own.

    Still…it’s purely political that the Dems and Pelosi are coming out against the policy. They have been arguing for YEARS against our involvement there, and have cared 0 about the Kurds until it was politically expedient for them. This is purely for campaign material in 2020, and has nothing to do with their sudden interest in protecting the Kurds.

    It’s appalling to see them using this situation to advance their political agenda.

  228. Paul says:

    230: I’m a liberal and I’ve cared about the Kurds since my college project on them in 1989.

    I think the Kurds are seen as an oppressed underdog and many liberals naturally have a soft spot for that. The hope of Rojava as a multi-ethnic/religious secular state with women’s rights also appealed to liberals.

    But for the average liberal or conservative, they might not care a great deal. And it probably is about equal.

  229. Paul says:

    230: The Kurdish betrayal was really pretty shocking and sudden to everyone. Nothing appalling about pointing that fact out.

  230. VictrC says:

    Paul

    I think most here agree that the decision to not back the Kurds was wrong. It’s bad policy and should be reversed,

    What is appalling is the use by those who could have cared less, and even worse, who voiced opposition to their support in the past (AOC, et al) who all of a sudden are using them and the situation to gain political points.

    They don’t care about the Kurds, they care about embarrassing the President.

  231. Victrc says:

    Ironically I think Trumps decision on the Kurds was Michigan more of a move designed to please the Paulbot crowd (like Drudge) who have abandoned him than it is an acquiescence to Erdogan.

    Sue me….I know a lawyer

  232. John says:

    Trump campaign now hiring and opening field offices in both Minnesota and New Mexico…
    Hmmmmmmm…….

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/465856-trump-re-elect-campaign-hiring-in-minnesota-new-mexico

  233. Pitchaboy says:

    Trump will not hurt from his decision on the Kurds, although, it is a bad one. Reasons:
    1. His base wants pull out of Middle Easy and energy independence here
    2. This is bolstered by the Dem reaction(like the nitwit troll who posts here): they were for it before they turned against pull out simply because Trump ordered it.

  234. Paul says:

    234: So, you think it was a political move by Trump? I am appalled!! He wouldn’t use the Kurds for politics, would he??

  235. lisab says:

    sdc,

    the kurds are a minority in turkey and syria. the irish were the majority in ireland.

    they are only about 10% of the population in those countries.

    and even if they were not a minority …

    turkey and syria are sovereign countries that the usa has a treaty with not to undermine their borders … turkey in addition is our ally through nato.

  236. gameboy says:

    I get a kick out of all the LOVE for the Kurds all of a sudden LOL What a joke. Where were all you people when the Kurds were getting gassed by Saddam?? The common folks are on Trump’s side on this one. Let those people over the kill each other. Why is it our job to mediate, and why do we think we can repair 400 years of hatred??. The same thing is going to happen if we pull out troops tomorrow, or 20 years from now.

  237. lisab says:

    ABC embedded reporter Tom Lawrence (center) with Kurdish leaders Hassan (left) and Faqir (Right) survey the Turkish onslaught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARaYjgm_rA

  238. lisab says:

    the kurds want part of syria, turkey, iran and iraq

    they already have part of iraq, via the iraq war

    i didn’t want the usa to go to war in iraq and was one of the few on hhr to say it was a bad idea

    and especially given what happened

    i certainly don’t want the usa to go to war in syria, iran or turkey

  239. lisab says:

    felicity huffman reported to prison today

  240. NYCmike says:

    ” Why is it our job to mediate, and why do we think we can repair 400 years of hatred??. ”

    -400?

    You probably could add another 0 on the end there.

  241. NYCmike says:

    “The common folks are on Trump’s side on this one.”

    -I must not be on Trump’s side…….I ain’t “common”.

    I’m from NY!

  242. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    230. Paul, since you studied them, your aware the Kurds have a history of being betrayed by the Western countries. Obama did so too; yet we turn to them whenever we need help in the Mideast:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/11/kurds-betrayal-syria-erdogan-turkey-trump/

    The Kurdish areas in the Mideast have had Kurdish majorities for thousands of years. There areas in Turkey (about 20-25% of the population of the country are Kurds) have always been heavily Kurdish.

    Turkey is a U.S. ally in name only. It actively helped ISIS while the U.S. and Kurds were trying to destroy it; refused to allow the U.S. to use the American air base in Incirlik during the Mideast War; and now is engaging in military cooperation with Putin. They do not belong in NATO.

    Trump wants to no longer fight wars in the Mideast. Am sure ISIS will oblige him, and renew the war in the U.S. In the 1990s, there were a series of attacks by Islamic radicals in the U.S. They were to a large extent ignored. Then came 9-11, and we could ignore them no longer.

  243. Paul says:

    246: Good points, SDC. I don’t think we needed to stay there forever. But, I would have hoped we could have used leverage with Turkey for a better outcome.

    In some ways, we are going back to supporting strong man dictatorships in the region. Perhaps, the stability that they bring is good. But raising people’s false hopes for democratic independence and then tossing it aside feels particularly cruel.

  244. lisab says:

    Turkey is a U.S. ally in name only.
    ——————————

    do we have a treaty with them?

    yes we do … several.

    did we not sign the charter of the united nations?

    yes we did.

    if mexican-americans in california decided to make mexifornia, and started shooting police and blowing up buildings, would we have the right to shoot them?

    yes we would.

    why? because it is part of OUR country. and if mexico or canada tried to help the rebels, we would have every right to bomb mexico and canada too.

  245. lisab says:

    further,

    while the kurds may decide to rebel against turkey and syria and iran

    it is not our fight. not only does it break our united nations treaty to not undermine a sovereign state’s borders, AND our treaty with NATO … but it is simply not our business to choose sides in what would be a civil war.

  246. Robbie says:

    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC

    Russian mercenaries give video tour of abandoned US base in Northern Syria, laughing at the hasty US retreat, showing unfinished meals on dining tables and heavy military equipment left behind. A Russian propaganda coup.

    – Thank 7you, President Trump!

  247. Marv says:

    NYCmike,

    Yanks take down Cole today and go up 2-1 in the ALCS!

  248. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 12:40 pm
    Trump will not hurt from his decision on the Kurds, although, it is a bad one. Reasons:
    1. His base wants pull out of Middle Easy and energy independence here
    2. This is bolstered by the Dem reaction(like the nitwit troll who posts here): they were for it before they turned against pull out simply because Trump ordered it.

    – Trump is the master of 87 dimensional chess! All hail his brilliance!

  249. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    247. Agree. Having to rely on one capricious strongman, like we did with Saddam Hussein some time back, does not work in the long run. Erdogen is a radical Islamist, and privately supported ISIS.

    With the Kurds, we had a well-trained army of 60,000, who would protect our interest in the Mideast, and could wipe out a resurgence of ISIS or other terrorist groups immediately. They had adopted Western culture, and were totally loyal to the U.S. We only needed to have a limited number of advisers present.

    This is one of the worst foreign policy blunders of this century, and it is very likely going to cost U.S. lives. This is why Mattis quit, and U.S. military leaders are appalled.

  250. Robbie says:

    gameboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 12:50 pm
    I get a kick out of all the LOVE for the Kurds all of a sudden LOL What a joke. Where were all you people when the Kurds were getting gassed by Saddam?? The common folks are on Trump’s side on this one

    – I was in 6th grade when Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1989. I’m sorry I didn’t invent Internet Explorer then so I could make my views known and change the world. I hope you will forgive me for this.

    As for the common folk, you mean the mouth breathers who watch FoxNews from morning until night and believe Hannity is a credible news source, right?

  251. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 12:40 pm
    Trump will not hurt from his decision on the Kurds, although, it is a bad one. Reasons:
    1. His base wants pull out of Middle Easy and energy independence here

    – Funny me. I thought Trump was elected to lead the nation and act in its best interests both at home and abroad. Apparently, Trump was elected solely to please people who watch FoxNews and listen to Rush Limbaugh.

  252. NYCmike says:

    “Yanks take down Cole today and go up 2-1 in the ALCS!”

    -HOPE springs eternal!

  253. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    October 15, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    the kurds want part of syria, turkey, iran and iraq
    they already have part of iraq, via the iraq war
    i didn’t want the usa to go to war in iraq and was one of the few on hhr to say it was a bad idea
    and especially given what happened
    i certainly don’t want the usa to go to war in syria, iran or turkey

    – Still waiting to see just one time when lisab disagrees with dear leader in real time. As Arya Stark said, “Not today.”

  254. NYCmike says:

    Heh!

    Robbie’s faux outrage has now transformed lisab into a Trumpoglyte!

  255. Pitchaboy says:

    There is a moron here with the IQ of a rabbit that apparently is not aware of the fact that in a democracy, a leader first takes care of those that elected him. In a democracy, the rabbit head that did not vote for him, gets poop.

  256. NYCmike says:

    Marv,

    Thankfully, all of my trucks got their work done early in the city and on Long Island, so the Yankee afternoon game traffic won’t affect them getting back to the NJ base

  257. Robbie says:

    Mediaite
    @Mediaite

    Lara Trump Defends Trump on Syria By Claiming ‘The Average American’ Doesn’t Even Know Who the Kurds Are

    – Who cares if an American ally is getting slaughtered. The common folk don’t even know who they are so tough.

  258. NYCmike says:

    Pitchaboy,

    I thought we were a republic?!?

  259. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:17 pm
    There is a moron here with the IQ of a rabbit that apparently is not aware of the fact that in a democracy, a leader first takes care of those that elected him. In a democracy, the rabbit head that did not vote for him, gets poop.

    – So then all of your whimpering about Obama was meaningless since his only concern was to the people who voted for him and not to the entire country.

    Can you start a petition to get the presidential oath changed to read “to preserve, protect, and defend those who voted for me” rather than the current one?

  260. Pitchaboy says:

    A democratic republic. And it elected Mr. Trump. Some of us cannot handle this 3 year old fact. Get over it

  261. Pitchaboy says:

    Go whimper in DKOS. A lot of low IQ folks live there

  262. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:18 pm
    Pitchaboy,
    I thought we were a republic?!?

    – We are whatever form of government best suites the current needs of Trump.

  263. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:23 pm
    Go whimper in DKOS. A lot of low IQ folks live there

    – Trump hangs out there?

  264. Phil says:

    Might be the most idiotic foreign policy move since Iraq.

    Vietnam remains the supreme foreign policy blunder and Iraq is close behind. This one ranks right up there in the annals of terrible American foreign policy decisions. What makes it worse is that there was absolutely no reason for it.

  265. Pitchaboy says:

    The day after he got elected you morons said #not my President. You lost your right to representation then. Deal with it

  266. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    A democratic republic. And it elected Mr. Trump. Some of us cannot handle this 3 year old fact. Get over it

    – Yes, the country elected Trump to only service the needs of the “common folk” who voted for him.

    If you start a petition to change the presidential oath, I’m sure you’ll succeed.

  267. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:25 pm
    The day after he got elected you morons said #not my President. You lost your right to representation then. Deal with it

    – Wrong again, voice of the common folk. I attempted to give Dementia Don a second chance after he was elected. I even chastised Corey for not doing the same. It turns out he was right. Trump didn’t deserve a second chance. Trump was and remains the scummy moron I thought he was in the campaign. I didn’t give up on him until he laughably tweeted that Obama was wiretapping him.

  268. NYCmike says:

    ” I didn’t give up on him until he laughably tweeted that Obama was wiretapping him.”

    -No way Obama would ever do something like this.

    No way someone in the government would use their power to do this either.

    No way would the media NOT ask questions about this.

  269. Pitchaboy says:

    You are the scummy low life that has nothing better to do in life than trolling this site. You will be whining here for another 5 years. Go get a life

  270. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:35 pm
    You are the scummy low life that has nothing better to do in life than trolling this site. You will be whining here for another 5 years. Go get a life

    – I’ve been part of this forum since October 2004. And you know what? I’m not going anywhere anytime soon, voice of the common folk.

    Have you been a longtime part of this forum? I don’t know whether you have, but I know you’re devoted to dear leader Don in a near religious way.

  271. Robbie says:

    Poor Rudy. His criminal defense lawyer he hired just last week quit on him.

    From America’s mayor to America’s circus clown to possibly America’s inmate.

  272. NYCmike says:

    ” I don’t know whether you have, but I know you’re devoted to dear leader Don in a near religious way.”

    -Just like lisab, jason, me, db, Phil……..everyone who thinks Republicans are better off electing the Republican candidate who pushes most Republican policies instead of the Democrat who pushes for socialistic/fascistic policies.

  273. Robbie says:

    Must be a great moment for all of the “super patriotic MAGA Trumpers support muh troops” crowd to see the Russia military enter an American military base we were forced to abandon yesterday because of Trump’s catastrophic foreign policy blunder.

    I’m rally looking forward to seeing American soldiers potentially be airlifted out of their positions in Kobani. That won’t look anything like the last day in Saigon at all, will it?

  274. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:46 pm
    ” I don’t know whether you have, but I know you’re devoted to dear leader Don in a near religious way.”
    -Just like lisab, jason, me, db, Phil……..everyone who thinks Republicans are better off electing the Republican candidate who pushes most Republican policies instead of the Democrat who pushes for socialistic/fascistic policies.

    – I’m for electing a Republican. You’re for electing and defending at any cost Trump. There’s a major difference there. Trump is not remotely a Republican and his common folk supporters don’t even really care whether he is or isn’t. They just like his profanity and his attacks on the media. That’s what gets his biggest applause lines at his Nuremburg style rallies anyway.

  275. NYCmike says:

    #278 – If you ignore the policies Trump and his administration have pushed, I guess you can come up with that garbage.

    As for “Nuremberg style rallies”, WOW! You are seriously comparing rallies where the attendees have to wade through a protective police presence to attend, while the opposition, which is supported by the Democratic Party which you will have no issue with if they win the White House next year, spits on and threatens with bodily harm those same attendees.

    You sound exactly like the media who portrayed the Tea Party attendees as violent racists.

  276. Phil says:

    Why are any of you still engaging with this guy? He hates Trump and has been crying about Trump non stop for three years now. You aren’t going to make any headway with him…..any more than he’s going to convince anyone on here with half a brain that somehow America is better off with Warren than it is with Trump for the next four years.

    Ignore him. I have finally just come to the conclusion that I don’t need to spend any more time on here trading insults with him. It’s a complete waste of my time and for what?

  277. dblaikie says:

    Yes the best way to handle Worm is to ignore him until he/she says something worth commenting on. However sometimes you just can’t help it. The only important thing you need to know about Worm’s current crazy drivel is that all he ever comments on are the Kurds. He never mentions impeachment.

  278. jason says:

    “I’m for electing a Republican.”

    Zzzzz….

    Amoral Scumbag lies so much he doesn’t even know what lie he is touting next.

    He is for electing a socialist.

    But according to him, that is ok because socialists are not that bad really.

    At least he admits 90% of Rs support Trump. Now he just has to admit that since that is the case, there is no “alternative” to Trump, he will be nominee.

    So all this coup BS is just that, BS.

  279. Pitchaboy says:

    Amoral scumbag, Worm and Rabbit brained low life are aliases for the DKOS troll, I presume

  280. mnw says:

    280 Phil

    This is not a troll-infested blog any more. It’s a troll blog PERIOD– and dwindling.

  281. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch – You are basically correct. Some clarification is needed. I began calling Trump an anorak scumbag (because he is). Jason stole that term for Robbie and thought he could get around it by capitalizing it to Amoral Scumbag. DKOS troll should not be used as it would cause confusion between Tobbie who uses Kos talking points about Trump and Wes who uses Kos talking points about GWB.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Tobbie should be Robbie.

  283. Wes says:

    Don’t forget MD, who used Daily Kos talking points about GOP electoral prospects, Bitter, while as I recall, you’re quite fond of posting Weekl

  284. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch – Jason and Robbie have really gone at it since 2016. While Jason was willing to let Hillary win by not voting, Robbie wanted her to win. Same potential outcome to their plans but different motivations. Jason will vote for Trump in 2020. Robbie openly cheerleads for the Dems.

  285. Wes says:

    y Standard/Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/GWB Administration talking points about Iraq.

  286. Bitterlaw says:

    Every few months, I post a link to MD’s twitter feed for those who want to see what the old A-hole is up to.

  287. Pitchaboy says:

    MD had great posts here but it appears he lost his way. I always liked him, although he totally missed 2016
    Wes: terrific posts especially pertaining to history
    As for DJT, I agree he is amoral. I voted for him in 2016 and will do so in 2020. The alternative Is frightening

  288. Bitterlaw says:

    Since I don’t read the Weekly Standard or listen to Rush or Hannity or interviews with GWB Administration officials, not sure how I would pull that off.

    The funny thing is that Wes and I both voted for GWB twice so we are equally responsible for whatever happened during Bush’s Presidency.

  289. Wes says:

    Have you not said we absolutely had to go into Iraq and only didn’t find the mythological WMDs because Saddam supposedly moved them?

    Those are the talking points uttered by the above gaggle of incompetent jingoists.

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  291. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – Why would Bush have ordered the invasion of Iraq to seize WMDs knowing that there were no WMDs? It undercuts your argument. Also, why would the UK, Israel, France and Germany say there were WMDs there knowing there were not?

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    How are you feeling, Tina? Hope the surgery went well.

  293. Tina says:

    Bl, very well thanks.

    A bit painful though.

  294. Tina says:

    I hinted at this the other day,

    Looks like Turkey is not doing well militarily

    I predict the Ottoman Empire head will retreat soon and “surrender.”

  295. Phil says:

    Glad to see things went well, Tina.

  296. Wes says:

    We’ve already discussed this, Bitter. Bush is a liar who wanted a war and created an excuse for that war.

    The other countries you cited had previously had run-ins with Saddam.

    The talking points you desperately cling to to justify GWB’s decision to invade Iraq and sit back while ISIS slaughtered hundreds of thousands have no substance.

  297. lisab says:

    – Still waiting to see just one time when lisab disagrees with dear leader in real time.
    ————————————–

    unlike you i don’t just make my policy the opposite of what trump does

    i was against the usa going into iraq, one of the only people on hhr to be against the war in the beginning

    and i am still against the usa getting involved in a war in the middle east

  298. NYCmike says:

    Oh Dear Lord, first Robbie with his TDS, now Wes with his BDS!

  299. Bitterlaw says:

    Why not plant WMDs then, Wes? Easily done. There is a difference between lying and being wrong. You should know that. I’m sure that you lied to most women that you would be faithful. With Tink, you probably meant it at the time so if you stray you would be wrong that you could be faithful but not lying.

  300. lisab says:

    but if you want me to criticize trump for something

    i would say he — were he a different person — could have done better had he been more polite

    reagan and clinton were both simply more likable than obama or trump. likable by those on the other side of the aisle i mean

    now between obama and trump we have a very partisan environment that is bad for the country

  301. dblaikie says:

    Glad things went well Tina.

  302. lisab says:

    like Turkey is not doing well militarily

    I predict the Ottoman Empire head will retreat soon and “surrender.”
    —————————

    the turks don’t want to fight for syrian territory

    the kurds do

  303. lisab says:

    ..everyone who thinks Republicans are better off electing the Republican candidate who pushes most Republican policies instead of the Democrat who pushes for socialistic/fascistic policies.
    ———————-

    i think we are better off with trump than with fauxohauntas

    i don’t necessarily believe for example that yang is corrupt

  304. CG says:

    MD’s Twitter appears to be gone as of a couple weeks ago. If anyone has an updated link…

  305. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:01 pm
    Why are any of you still engaging with this guy? He hates Trump and has been crying about Trump non stop for three years now. You aren’t going to make any headway with him…..any more than he’s going to convince anyone on here with half a brain that somehow America is better off with Warren than it is with Trump for the next four years.
    Ignore him. I have finally just come to the conclusion that I don’t need to spend any more time on here trading insults with him. It’s a complete waste of my time and for what?

    – That’s because you have succumb to Trumpism and it leads you to believe choosing the wrong path is actually choosing the right path.

    Is everything that’s happening to Trump’s presidency all the fault of The View and Ana Navarro? That’s your go-to complaint with me.

  306. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:10 pm
    Yes the best way to handle Worm is to ignore him until he/she says something worth commenting on. However sometimes you just can’t help it. The only important thing you need to know about Worm’s current crazy drivel is that all he ever comments on are the Kurds. He never mentions impeachment.

    – Never forget this Christian minister said he doesn’t care about the Kurds getting slaughtered as long as he gets judges. Where does the Bible justify that?

  307. Robbie says:

    mnw says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    280 Phil
    This is not a troll-infested blog any more. It’s a troll blog PERIOD– and dwindling.

    – I consider it a victory that scumbag Trump populists like you no longer post here. Go post in the Breitbart comment section with all of the other populist crusaders who believe in the conspiratorial nonsense deep state as you do.

  308. Tina says:

    Lisab, ottoman outsourced his invasion with SSA. They are the rent the mob.

    Turkey cannot even get off its air force. They are locked down.

    Plus the ottoman emperor is a big fan of ww1, trench warfare.

    He is not so bright.

  309. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:36 pm
    Pitch – Jason and Robbie have really gone at it since 2016. While Jason was willing to let Hillary win by not voting, Robbie wanted her to win.

    – A lie. I chose not to vote for either. I washed my hands of it and it was the right move. I don’t have to live with the moral stain of supporting a mentally unwell, corrupt buffoon like Trump.

  310. Tina says:

    Speaking of the mad mullahs, (the jebots love the Iranian mullahs btw), their economy is projected to grow at -9.5%.

  311. Tina says:

    Piglosi made no mention of impeachment.

    The jebots beotch will,not take a vote.

  312. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 15, 2019 at 5:23 pm
    Oh Dear Lord, first Robbie with his TDS, now Wes with his BDS!

    – Oh Dear Lord, NYCmoron with TBLS. Only in his deranged Tea Party mind is a Pelosi donating philandering con artist from NYC the one who can bring him his dream of Tea Party perfection.

  313. lisab says:

    Turkey cannot even get off its air force. They are locked down.
    ——————–

    they would be smart to not send troops into syria

    we do not need russian mercs and turkish soldiers fighting

  314. Tina says:

    More swamp

    How in the heck was Crack Biden appointed to be head of or a Director of Amtrak?

    He basically got all of his shady deals from China Biden.

  315. Tina says:

    And why is a us. A,basswood spyi g on conservative?

    Wtf. And why is Fiona Hillary a witness? What is her connection to the “Atlantic Alliance” and/or George Soros?

  316. Tina says:

    Good luck with this, Doj over the Flynn matter:

    The DOJ response:

    “If we determine that they contain information that is discoverable or that is relevant to sentencing, we will produce them to you.”

  317. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “I’m for electing a Republican.”
    Zzzzz….
    Amoral Scumbag lies so much he doesn’t even know what lie he is touting next.
    He is for electing a socialist.
    But according to him, that is ok because socialists are not that bad really.
    At least he admits 90% of Rs support Trump. Now he just has to admit that since that is the case, there is no “alternative” to Trump, he will be nominee.
    So all this coup BS is just that, BS.

    – Each day Jason fraud becomes more and more like his political idol, Trump. He rambles on incoherently about nonsense and lies and then tries to cover up what he did in the past. So let me remind all of the super MAGA populists about Jason fraud’s 2016.

    Jason fraud opposed Trump every day of the campaign, refused to vote for Trump in 2016, and then decided to leave the party over Trump’s brand of populism. So was Jason fraud suggesting electing a socialist was ok in 2016 since he didn’t vote for Dementia Don?

    As for his last comment, I acknowledge there is no alternative to Trump right now and there likely won’t be. It’s heart breaking because just about any Republican not named Trump can win in 2020. In fact, I think a Pence/Haley ticket would win with ease. Instead, though, the party is going to renominate an impeached president who will lose and screw up a generational chance to move the Supreme Court to the right. But at least he fights, right.

  318. Robbie says:

    Oh, and no matter how many times Jason fraud and the Constitution loving Constitutionalists say it, impeachment is not coup since it is spelled out in the Constitution. That’s unless the new MAGA talking point is ackshully the Constitution is unconstitutional.

    The problem for poor Donnie is committed an abuse of power and he broke a federal law which states it is illegal to ask foreign assistance in an election. But I guess since the facts are so bad for Don, it’s predictable the super MAGA crowd would cry and moan about process.

  319. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those of you who agree with Trump that it is good to withdraw from Mideast, which is 7,000 miles away, it is not happening. Trump is placing an additional 1,800 troops in Saudi Arabia “to deter the Iranians.”

    “We would very much like to see Iran stop attacking countries in the region,” “That would be the easiest way for us to reduce our troop levels in the region, but this is very much focused around defensive, and it will continue to be defensive. We are not looking for a fight.”

    “An additional 14,000 U.S. troops have deployed to the Middle East since spring, including more than 6,000 who are part of a naval strike group led by the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln.”

    Meanwhile the Iranians have picked up new allies, 60,000 battle hardened Kurd fighters, heavily armed by the United States. Apparently the Kurds had a good feel for Trump’s arbitrary nature, so had been talking to Syria, Putin and likely also the Iranians for some time. They understood Trump a lot better than a lot of Americans do.

    Meanwhile, Russians and Syrians troops have arrived on the front line ready to defend the Kurds, and Erdogen, our NATO ally, will meet with Putin later this month. This is all bad news for Israel, as Iran has promised to destroy it.

  320. lisab says:

    the kurds want land from iran too

  321. Tina says:

    Piglosi won’t vote, Jebots crushed.

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  322. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – I wonder if our “no wars” conservatives would make an exception for aiding in the defense of Israel. Rand Paul would support letting Israel disappear.

  323. Bitterlaw says:

    How do we known an account is really verified. Like real Donald Trump? Couldn’t a fake account just call itself real?

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    326. I will be interesting to watch. Can see the evangelical Christians going bonkers if Israel is under threat. A huge problem is Trump has lost so many of his expert advisers, that he is now winging it with his “gut instincts.” Losing Kelly and Mattis hurt badly. U.S. foreign policy now seems in chaos.

  325. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 15, 2019 at 6:44 pm
    SDC – I wonder if our “no wars” conservatives would make an exception for aiding in the defense of Israel. Rand Paul would support letting Israel disappear

    – In 2014, I was not in favor of Obama’s decision to get involved. But once we were there, American prestige was on the line. Having a force there played a major role in defeating ISIS.

    Retreating in the haphazard way Trump did will allow ISIS to reform and it has seriously hurt the prestige of American foreign policy and military.

    And now it is reported that Pence is headed to Anakara even though Erdogan has not officially said he will meet with Pence. I suspect they will meet, but betting on Erdogan is a bad idea.

  326. Tina says:

    Piglosi just made it official

    No vote on sham impeachment,

    Votes and the eBa fence ain’t there.

  327. lisab says:

    would make an exception for aiding in the defense of Israel.
    ————

    you mean israel, an actual country, with which we have actual treaties with?

    yes, i think most people would actually support helping an actual country that is actually our ally

  328. Tina says:

    Prolly seized by Durham and Barr while in Italy. I know they were not there for the pizza. I don’t know why a Russian has a blackberry device, two of them?

    Sidney Powell ?????
    @SidneyPowell1
    ·
    6m
    Replying to
    @drawandstrike
    The prosecutors in this case have not admitted possession but I have it on good authority the “government” does now.
    The prosecutors should read.
    They should have sufficient information now to find them.

  329. Tina says:

    The senate and the house could take up,a war resolution against The Ottoman wannabe.

    But they won’t.

    Or we can send Rambo Goober in, along with Stolen VLor.

  330. Tina says:

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  331. NYCmike says:

    “Meanwhile the Iranians have picked up new allies, 60,000 battle hardened Kurd fighters, heavily armed by the United States. Apparently the Kurds had a good feel for Trump’s arbitrary nature, so had been talking to Syria, Putin and likely also the Iranians for some time. They understood Trump a lot better than a lot of Americans do.

    Meanwhile, Russians and Syrians troops have arrived on the front line ready to defend the Kurds, and Erdogen, our NATO ally, will meet with Putin later this month. This is all bad news for Israel, as Iran has promised to destroy it.”

    -SDC,

    This is some major jumps you make right here. If you are saying that all of these separate entities will become allies to go against Israel, the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Europe, that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    I linked to a piece last night that goes through all of these competing interests which makes much more sense……maybe if you could refute all of his arguments, your argument would stand up better.

  332. NYCmike says:

    “Rand Paul would support letting Israel disappear.”

    -The guy has some different ideas, but don’t make cr*p up about him.

    This is demonstrably false.

  333. NYCmike says:

    #338 – “CG” is fine with that list.

  334. lisab says:

    also, iraqi-kurdistan

    the only quasi-country ruled by actual kurds

    depends on the usa

  335. VictrC says:

    I imagine its so quiet because everyone is watching the riveting Dem debate. Some to help them lose weight when they wretch up their dinner….others because they need their talking points!

  336. 341. The Kurds in Iraq had established a semi-independent enclave in Iraq well before even the Kuwait invasion by Bush in 1990.

  337. Tina says:

    Biden melting down.

    Look at his responses after 45 min to 1 hour.

    Not coherent.

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  338. BayernFan says:

    Cardinals are en route to getting swept by the Expos.

  339. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    336. “This is some major jumps you make right here.”

    Then maybe you should read the Israeli press and see what they are saying about the Iranian threat, and Trump’s failure to support the Kurds:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-trump-s-syria-withdrawal-is-a-strategic-disaster-for-netanyahu-1.7966719

    “On Thursday, Netanyahu spoke at the annual memorial ceremony for the fallen of the Yom Kippur War on Jerusalem’s Mt. Herzl. As usual, he concentrated his remarks on Iran, calling it “the focal point of the present aggression in the Middle East.” He noted: “Iran is striving to strengthen its hold in Lebanon, in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen and in the Gaza Strip. It is arming itself incessantly, crossing its boldness bar time and again. Iran is threatening to wipe us off the map. It is saying explicitly: Israel will disappear.”

    From that point, Netanyahu’s tone was very different: “We do not aspire to be a people that dwells alone, but that is how we were compelled to be at the start of the Yom Kippur War, with the American aid arriving only toward its end. Today, too, we are very appreciative of the important support of the United States… At the same time, we always remember and apply the basic rule that guides us: Israel will defend itself, with its own forces, in the face of every threat.”

    Netanyahu is too experienced and too cautious to attack Trump directly for his recent moves. However, the final section of his remarks on Mt. Herzl shows that his assessment, too, is that the times they are a changin’.”

  340. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    341. You know lisab, I have a lot of friends who served in Iraq, and some in Syria. They cannot praise highly enough the help the Kurds provided American troops. We don’t have that many loyal allies in the world. For you to continually attack the Kurds, and state they have no right to autonomy of self-government like other people repulses me.

  341. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Lisab will respond with a snartass post after she does a google search.

    I am also tired of the attempt to disparage the Kurds. Until Trump betrayed them (Yeah. I said it.), there was no criticism of them at HHR. His most vocal supporters had no problem with the Kurds 2 weeks ago and neither did Trump. The Great Deal Maker should have managed to keep this crisis at bay.

  342. lisab says:

    For you to continually attack the Kurds, and state they have no right to autonomy of self-government like other people repulses me.
    —————————————

    i have never attacked the kurds

    and

    any right they may have to autonomy is

    NOT

    ours to give them

  343. NYCmike says:

    “SDC – Lisab will respond with a snartass post after she does a google search.”

    -It’s not like you respond with any substantive information.

    The Kurds have been a good ally. Unfortunately, they live in a region of the world where they are a small player in this great game of geopolitics, which is why they have been “betrayed” by probably the last 4 Presidents, the last 5 if you include Trump.

    They have consistently been used, and then throw overboard. It hasn’t just been Trump.

    I do not know the reason why Trump made this move now. I do know that the reports from that region have been ones which haven’t been verified. It is very hard to really know what is going on. It really isn’t an area where reporters are able to just waltz in, get their footage and their story, and then submit their reports to their editors.

  344. lisab says:

    you do not need google to know the importance of honoring the UN charter

    and honoring our alliance to Turkey

  345. Bitterlaw says:

    NYC plays his usual role.

    Hey, NYC. The sun will rise in the East in a few hours.

    He will now predict that it will rise in the West or another direction because he can’t agree with me.

  346. lisab says:

    well he can not agree with you and still be correct

    both can be true

    (and often are)

  347. lisab says:

    and before you come back with a smart ass answer

    keep in mind if you were a little more humble

    you would still be employed

  348. lisab says:

    … (sigh) … and yes i am sure you will eventually get a job … chin up …

    after all … you are not robbie

  349. lisab says:

    … (sigh) … and robbie … at least you are not corey

  350. lisab says:

    … (sigh) … and corey …

    at least you aren’t canadian

  351. lisab says:

    … (sigh) … and canadians …

    at least quebec is nice

  352. lisab says:

    … (sigh) …

    ok … céline dion is from quebec

    and i won’t hear any trash talk about céline

    i was in the church she got married in, and it was nice