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Biden/Warren Lead Trump By Double Digits in ME

Public Policy Polling gives us a new poll for the state of Maine, where Donald Trump did manage to pick off an electoral vote in 2016.

PRESIDENT – MAINE (PPP)
Joe Biden (D) 54%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

Bernie Sanders (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Elizabeth Warren (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Pete Buttigieg (D) 52%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

Kamala Harris (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

This poll was done October 11-13 among 939 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 10:35 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (411)

411 Responses to “Biden/Warren Lead Trump By Double Digits in ME”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    First

  2. CG says:

    Cardinals swept!

    What an amazing and unlikely run by the Nationals. How is Bryce Harper feeling tonight?

    Wherever Charles Krauthammer went, he must have some serious clout. He’ll be aiming to defeat Trump next!

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    You Gov Poll: Question

    “President Trump recently supported a Turkish military operation which would eliminate American-backed Kurdish forces in Syria near the Turkey-Syria border. Turkey considers the Kurdish forces to be terrorists, but these forces have assisted the US in fighting the Islamic State in a strategic corner of northern Syria. Do you think the administration is right or wrong to support Turkey attacking these forces?”

    Right Decision 16%
    Wrong Decision 47%
    Don’t Know 37%

  4. John says:

    According to the news both Democrats and Republicans are in near unanimous bipartisan agreement that the troop withdrawal from Syria is a mistake.
    Come to think of it I believe the last time both Democrats and Republicans agreed in almost unanimous consensus about military operations in the Middle East came with the Iraq invasion.
    And well all know how that played out.

  5. lisab says:

    and which of these two have actual treaties with the usa

    turkey 100%
    kurds 0%

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    Bryce Harper is feeling just fine. He is loved in Philadelphia and was given a contract for more than the Nationals offered.

  7. Tina says:

    That you gov question is loaded and factually incorrect.

  8. Wes says:

    Oh, Mikey, we never knew ye!

    Mikey must be so proud of his Governor’s colorful use of language:

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/15/gov-cuomo-drops-the-n-word-during-live-radio-interview/

  9. Bitterlaw says:

    Why does Wes blame people for the actions of politicians they did not vote for?

  10. Tina says:

    And a quote for the day:

    Tweets & replies
    Media
    Likes
    John Cardillo’s Tweets

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    Now
    “Why in God‘s name should someone who is clipping coupons in the stock market make, in fact, pay a lower tax rate, than someone who in fact is…” –
    @JoeBiden

    The poor guy isn’t all there. He needs to drop out.

    #DemDebate

  11. Wes says:

    I don’t know, Bitter. Why do you hate the South for local accents but give New Jersey a pass for electing a corrupt child molester to the Senate?

    I can tell you which of the two I would become more incensed at a state because of.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    I never voted for a Democrat when I lived in New Jersey. I said Menendez should be convicted. If that is giving New Jersey a free pass in your mind, you are both immoral and stupid.

    My niece goes to college in North Carolina. It would really depress me if she ended up living there after graduation. It would be sad to never see her again but I already visited that state and it’s overrated beaches once. No need to ever see it again.

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes never blames Tina for California’s politicians.

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    Given Wes’ serial emotional abuse of women and complete disrespect towards them, I find his attempt at moral superiority laughable and sad.

  15. Wes says:

    So it would depress you if your state moved to this state, but you’d be fine if she moved to a state whose senior Senator is a corrupt child molester?

    You have some truly warped priorities, Bitter.

  16. Wes says:

    I don’t express hatred of a region for accents while being fine with a state that knowingly sends a corrupt child molester to the Senate, Bitter.

    The entire Sewer State is complicit in what Menendez does because voters knowingly sent him back to the Senate last year despite his multifarious criminal acts.

    You’re perfectly fine with that though despite your weak canned reactionary protests claiming to want him to lose.

  17. Wes says:

    Bevin and Beshear are tied at 46% all in a new poll with Bevin at 45-48 approval. That actually nodes reasonably well for Bevin.

  18. Bitterlaw says:

    I know you banged a lot of whores, Wes. Maybe you should get checked out to see if you have brain damage from undiagnosed syphilis.

    The voters in New Jersey who did not nominate or vote for Menendez are complicit in his crimes? You somehow always manage to top your own stupidity.

    To be clear, I do not just hate the South for its awful accents. I also hate its weather which is only for p*ssies who can’t handle the temperature dropping below 50 degrees. I can’t stand its fake politeness where everybody claims to be so friendly but feels a need to be armed at all times. Why is that? Everybody in New York is an a-hole but they aren’t packing?

    Most of all, I hate the South’s treasonous, blood soaked past and its many apologists for slavery – especially you. It is interesting that Germany and Japan are ashamed of their past and attacks against America while many in the South embrace it. Are there any statues of Tojo or Rommel in those countries? You probably can’t drive a mile in the South without passing a statue, street or school named for a Confederate officer.

    Bless your heart and GFY.

  19. Wes says:

    In other words, you hate the South for all that but still like a state whose current senior Senator is a corrupt rapist of underage sex slaves, Bitter.

    Good to know.

  20. VictrC says:

    Good morning everyone. All debates about parts of the country aside (I grew up in NYC, CT and CA…have lived in FL and now TX and I have an affinity for all) I decided to go visit DailyKos to see their review of the debate last night.

    I haven’t been there in years, I was actually banned for some time…(Just like Jensen has banned me from his twitter for calling him out on bad polls) and I had forgotten just how insane those people are. It has gotten even worse. Going there just reinforced my decision to back Trump next year when I didn’t vote for him in 2016.

    What we are facing. What will take over if the Dems win will make what happened during the Obama reign pale in comparison. What happened is that his coalition of misfits has become emboldened and resulted in the current culture of far left extremists who know that they can say or do whatever with no repercussions.

    No, sorry, Trump is infinitely better than any Dem candidate, and despite the fact I would prefer a different Republican candidate I live in the real world, and will “run to vote for him” come November 2020.

    BTW I can see where some who claim to be conservatives get his/their talking points. The words were the same.

  21. Wes says:

    Honestly, Vic, Dems are going to win and become emboldened in either 2020 or 2024. It’s inevitably going to happen. The only question is when.

    I agree the American Left is out of control, but let’s not pretend 2020 will be some kind of Waterloo for them if Trump wins.

  22. Bitterlaw says:

    Because I want a beach house, Wes thinks I support crimes against children. Wes is beyond stupid.

  23. Wes says:

    You’re the one who draws the line at accents but not at raping underage sex slaves, Bitter. If you expressed a trillionth of the outrage at New Jersey you express at the American South it would be a marked improvement.

  24. Wes says:

    24 Senators represent the South (the Old Confederacy plus Kentucky). New Jersey has two Senators.

    I want you to make two columns. One will say child molesters currently representing the South in the Senate. The other will say child molesters currently representing New Jersey in the Senate.

    Tell me which column has more names in it.

  25. VictrC says:

    Wes, I do agree, inevitably the lunatics are going to benefit from demographics, from the brainwashing they do in public school and colleges, and eventually win the Presidency, whether its 2024 or 2028.

    We can only hope to holdout as long as possible and find a way to educate people on the dangers of allowing radical leftists and those who chronically want to take from others because they are a. Jealous that someone has something they don’t have, or B. Want something for free that theydon’t Have to work for.

    The country has overcome a lot, and I think we can overcome this radicalism, but we really need to hold the line in 2020.

  26. Phil says:

    Leftist control of the education system plus demographics dooms the Republican Party for the future. Adding to that is complete control of the MSM and you can easily see where we are heading. I hope we can put leftist control of America off an election or two but even that is iffy.

    If Republicans lose the senate and the WH in 2020 you can wave bye bye to the senate filibuster and, thus, any barrier to Warren’s radical agenda.

    It is what it is. Time to embrace the horror.

  27. VictrC says:

    Phil

    The problem is for those who have children. What do we do? My boys are 3 and 5. What kind of future are they going to have? Everything they work for, any time they succeed it will be punished. They will have their earnings taken away bit by it with higher taxes to pay for those who won’t work, they will be forced to eventually pay for some form of reparations to all the groups who feel aggrieved in any manner.

    They will have subpar medical care because instead of having good insurance, they will have reduced coverage so that we can “socialize medicine for all,” the list goes on.

    This is why we fight for 2020. This is why Trump is the option we have to choose, albeit reluctantly, because my kids deserve a shot at the future and it will become harder for them to succeed in the kind of America the left will implement.

    That is why the ABSURDITY of voting for a Democrat, or worse, wishing they would win so they can show Trump they don’t like him is not only idiotic, its unfair to the next generation.

  28. Robbie says:

    Mark Murray
    @mmurraypolitics

    Gallup has 52% of Americans supporting Trump’s impeachment/removal from office.

    For Clinton, that never got higher than 35% before the GOP-led House voted to impeach him.

    For Nixon, it got to 58% by Aug 1974

    – That’s a lot of people who watch The View and Ana Navarro.

  29. Robbie says:

    Josh Dawsey
    @jdawsey1

    “It’s not our problem,” Trump says in Oval Office of Turkey’s invasion into Syria. He adds that the Kurds are “not angels.” Also, he says this: “They’ve got a lot of sand over there…. There’s a lot of sand they can play with.”

    – Nothing better than throwing an ally under the bus. They lost 12,000 soldiers helping us fight ISIS.

    Why would anyone want to be an American ally as long as this person is president?

  30. Hugh says:

    That’s a depressing poll. Since the press only reports selective leaks. Hume is right the dems approach is working perfectly. If senators sit on their hands can the narrative change. If senators do anything will the press report it? Stalin and goebels never had it so good. A free press that is the propaganda ring of a party.

  31. Robbie says:

    Will Jordan
    @williamjordann

    Separately YouGov has support for impeachment at 53/40 (+13)

    – Who knew the women on The View had so much power.

  32. Robbie says:

    I put the redline for impeachment at 55%. If polls start to consistently show a number in support at 55% or higher, Trump’s in real trouble.

  33. Robbie says:

    Hugh says:
    October 16, 2019 at 11:34 am
    That’s a depressing poll. Since the press only reports selective leaks

    – If these depositions were revealing information that was genuinely beneficial to Trump, you can bet your bottom dollar Gym Jordan, Mark Meadows, Devin Nunes, and the others would be leaking it to sympathetic reporters like Byron York. That they aren’t and are complaining about process, is a big tell.

  34. Robbie says:

    John Santucci
    @Santucci

    4th defendant in New York case involving Rudy Giuliani clients arrested –
    @ABCNews

    – Not good news for Rudy.

  35. Tina says:

    Piglosi should call for the impeahment vote

    She won’t though.

  36. Robbie says:

    Jennifer Griffin
    @JenGriffinFNC

    Senior US defense official tells Fox this is a “deliberate phased withdrawal” of US troops out of Syria. US military is collapsing patrol bases, will be airlifted out. It is an extremely dangerous evacuation that is underway, according to US military commanders.

    – Just like Saigon in 1975. Yay?

  37. Phil says:

    Flash

    Lebron not to comment any longer on China and Hong Kong. Not hearing his wisdom will be a real loss. LOL

  38. Tina says:

    Maybe Lebron and Kerr and the globalists should take a trip together to china

  39. Tina says:

    Somebody has triggered the jebots this am

    I think he has the server and Mifsuds 2 black berries.

    TrumpSoldier
    @DaveNYviii
    ·
    12m
    PRESIDENT TRUMP “I WANT TO SEE THE SERVER”
    “Where is the server? How come the FBI never got the server from the DNC? -Where is the server? I wanna see the server..Let’s see what’s on the server..I want to find out more than anybody else.” #CrowdStrikeUkraine

  40. Hugh says:

    You’re an idiot if they leaked info the house would go after them since dems are in charge. Since reps are asking to release transcripts if you were right the dems would release them and make the reps look stupid. Get an an ounce of logic.

  41. Victrc says:

    Hugh….sadly hate trumps logic as well as the good for others in some minds.

    Unable to see the forest for the trees.

  42. Bitterlaw says:

    I will put it to the HHR jury:

    Am I condoning raping children because I want to own a beach house in New Jersey? Wes says yes. Of course, Wes thinks slavery was only “wrong” and not evil so his opinion on moral issues is a joke.

  43. CG says:

    We the jury in the above entitled accent find the defendant not guilty of the condoning of rape but bigoted based on accents and sentenced to eat shrimp and grits for two weeks…

  44. John says:

    This morning President Trump says…”Turkish offensive into Syria is not our problem”
    Gee, if only Kennedy and Johnson could have said the same thing regarding Vietnam.
    Or George W. Bush with regard to Iraq.

  45. CG says:

    As the jury foreman, I also find Donald J. Trump guilty of being a Traitor.

  46. Phil says:

    Traitor? Lol

  47. Wes says:

    You condemn the South for accents, Bitter. You DO NOT condemn New Jersey for knowingly electing a child-molesting Senator.

    I can base my conclusions only on what I see posted under your byline.

  48. Tina says:

    Muh traitor

    Jebots getting desperate

    Btw house will take up a censure if
    Schiffty

  49. CG says:

    If it’s a fact that Mendendez did something with underage prostitutes, why wasn’t he charged with that?

  50. CG says:

    Nonetheless, we would need to salute Alabama for rejecting Roy Moore, even if it meant electing a Democrat.

  51. VictrC says:

    As an associate juror I concur with CG and hereby read the sentence: “We the jury, in the aforementioned case, hereby sentence the participants to no longer reference the disgraced Senator from New Jersey, and, hereby ban any negative reference to Southern accents or the Civil war that no one alive had any part in.”

    This is our verdict and sentence, entered into the record this day in the year of our Lord 2019.

    There is no ground for appeal.

    So be it.

  52. Tina says:

    Has Goober and the rhinos taken up a resolution to attack
    Turkey?

    They love war. So bring up the declaration.

  53. Wes says:

    He’s been patronizing sex slaves in the Dominican, Corey. His lawyers have been obfuscating the allegations and arguing anything Menendez does overseas isn’t subject to prosecution under US law.

  54. Tina says:

    And if the censure of Russian Schiffty fails, the president needs to strip him of any intelligence briefings

  55. mnw says:

    NYCMike & Chi

    Blues at WH today, schmoozing with Mr.Orange. Life is good!

  56. CG says:

    Mendenez seems to be very lucky not to have been convicted of the financial crimes he was charged with.

    The allegations about prostitutes in the Dominican appear to be circumstantial at best.

  57. CG says:

    I believe I saw the Blues were at the White House yesterday, on Tuesday.

    Trump cursed St. Louis and the Cardinals into being swept. At least he was good for that.

  58. John says:

    It looks like Moodysanalytics is now predicting Trump will win reelection.
    https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf

  59. NYCmike says:

    mnw,

    Great reward for a great victory this past June!

    Hope to see my Islanders in the same position in the next year or so.

  60. Robbie says:

    Hugh says:
    October 16, 2019 at 12:16 pm
    You’re an idiot if they leaked info the house would go after them since dems are in charge

    – Devin Nunes routinely leaked to Byron York when he was head of the Intelligence Committee. If there was info being discovered that was beneficial to Trump we’d be hearing about it through friendly reporters.

  61. NYCmike says:

    Robbie with the drive-by again…….he is entertaining……like a Coney Island freak show is entertaining.

  62. CG says:

    Are they “freaks” or merely Brooklynites?

  63. NYCmike says:

    Bitterlaw has underage prostitutes in the Dominican, while Wes has this right in his home state……and to our knowledge, has NEVER spoken out against it!!!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-assisted-living-facility-dementia-fight-club

  64. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    October 16, 2019 at 12:26 pm
    Hugh….sadly hate trumps logic as well as the good for others in some minds.
    Unable to see the forest for the trees.

    – Here’s the forest. Trump, with one incompetent move, set back American foreign policy and prestige with his decision about Syria.

    The tree is you lavishing praise on him while ignoring all of the damage he’s doing to the country and the party. Or did you not notice the 40 House seats we lost last November because of him.

    But by all means, continue to stick your head in the sand and pretend a president with a 43% approval rating and who 53% want to see impeached is just rolling towards reelection.

  65. Tina says:

    n Italian reporter just asked Trump about why Barr was in Rome!

    “I don’t know the details, I just know that our country is looking into the corruption of the 2016 election … It was very corrupt .. maybe it goes all the way to Obama, I believe that it does.” OH BOY
    4
    32
    55
    Show

  66. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    Tough to tell the difference…….can be used to my advantage at times….

  67. NYCmike says:

    In response to “CG” that was….

  68. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 1:41 pm
    Robbie with the drive-by again…….he is entertaining……like a Coney Island freak show is entertaining.

    – Poor, Mikey. Anything bad to his dear leader is a drive by. Anything that is good for his dear leader is awesome.

    How do you expect Senators Mourdock, Angle, COD, and Wolf to vote on Trump’s impeachment?

  69. NYCmike says:

    🙂

    Angry young man you are, Robbie………and to think you are a Catholic……quite embarrassing…

  70. Tina says:

    Trump just lit into abc and their fake Syria video.

    arr
    @jeremymbarr
    · 5m
    Trump to Jon Karl, continued: “I’m not even sure that ABC apologized for that, but certainly it was a terrible thing. I’m looking this and saying, ‘Wow, that’s pretty bad.’ … I think ABC owes an apology.”
    Show this thread

  71. CG says:

    Catholics can’t get angry?

    Really? Are La Cosa Nostra a bunch of “angels?”

  72. CG says:

    Is Trump going to apologize for the fake video he created in his head of thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey?

  73. Tina says:

    No because the fib reported on that at the time.

    ABC edited their video.

    Tell me if and when iger has addressed this deception with his Chinese masters.

  74. CG says:

    There was never a video of any sort of Muslims within the U.S. celebrating 9/11.He made it up. That is one of the reasons why if there is indeed a hell, Trump will probably end up there.

  75. Tina says:

    Time for Granite to quit goobering and use his subpoena powers

    BREAKING: President Trump at White House presser just castigated Sen. Lindsey Graham for dragging his feet on holding hearings on #Spygate: “Lindsey should focus on [the] Judiciary [Committee]. He should find out what happened [in 2016-2017] with Comey and McCabe … and Obama.”

    674
    10:46 AM – Oct 16, 2019

  76. Tina says:

    h
    Biden the Buffoon:

    “I would eliminate the capital-gains tax–I would raise the capital-gains tax”

    “Secondly–I mean,thirdly”

    “what is happening in Iraq is going to–I mean,excuse me,in Afghanistan”

    “assault weapons that are on the street–or not on the street,that people own”

  77. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 1:48 pm
    ?
    Angry young man you are, Robbie………and to think you are a Catholic……quite embarrassing…

    – Where in Catholic teaching does it say a person can’t be angry, Mikey?

  78. Victrc says:

    Robbie

    Trump was inequivably wrong with his policy change in Syria.
    Trump was wrong to impose Tariffs on China the way he did.
    Trump routinely says cringeworthy things on Twitter I don’t agree with.
    Trump often makes rash decisions he has to walk back
    Trump is infinitely better than any alternative the Dems have to offer.

    All are true. Few here “worship” Trump as you say, in fact I think everyone who posted today has criticized him in the past, some often BUT most of us are adult enough to reali3 that Trump is very successful at a number of policy issues we care about, and more importantly, is a better alternative than anyone being offered up.

    We can’t always stomp our feet, take our ball and go home when we don’t get our way.

  79. CG says:

    What if anything would be “too much” to overlook? Be specific.

    By the way, I am not a Rockefeller Republican, although thank you for confirming I am not a “troll.”

    I am and always have been a conservative. A Reagan-Bush-Kemp-Romney Republican.

  80. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Robbie/Wormtongue says this in his post # 63
    ” Devin Nunes routinely leaked to Byron York when he was head of the Intelligence Committee. If there was info being discovered that was beneficial to Trump we’d be hearing about it through friendly reporters.”

    #1- He neglects to cite an article that this is true
    #2- 8 minutes before his post, Tina posts a Sean Davis/Fereralist article from a leak from yesterday’s testimony by Mr. Kent about the sleaziness of the Obama Administration in the Ukraine.

    Can Wormtongue read or only vent?!

  81. Bitterlaw says:

    Angry young man you are, Robbie………and to think you are a Catholic……quite embarrassing…

    The Irish and Italians in Brooklyn must be very different than the ones I know. Catholics thrive on anger and grudges.

  82. NYCmike says:

    “– Where in Catholic teaching does it say a person can’t be angry, Mikey?”

    I didn’t say you can’t ever be angry, but your perpetual anger seems to have poisoned your heart, along with your mind.

    I’ll say an extra prayer for you tonight, when I reflect on the day.

  83. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    We can’t always stomp our feet, take our ball and go home when we don’t get our way.

    – This isn’t about not getting my way. This isn’t about stomping my feet. This is about a corrupt, unqualified, and mentally unwell person who is doing serious harm to American foreign policy, American domestic policy, and the Republican Party. The stain of Trump will not be easily washed away just as Democrats had to deal with the aftereffects of Carter for more than a decade.

    This is not a mere policy dispute as we might have if John Kasich was president. This isn’t about GWB nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. This isn’t about GHWB agreeing to raise taxes in 1991.

    My dispute with Trump is about his lack of ability to lead the country. This is an administration that maybe isn’t unraveling but is barely functioning. Multiple cabinet positions have been unfilled for months and months and, even where there are confirmed officials, the president chooses not listen to them and instead makes choices based on whatever he saw from the morons on Fox n Friends.

  84. CG says:

    Just don’t pray for him at Mass or you will have jason to answer to.

  85. NYCmike says:

    “I am and always have been a conservative. A Reagan-Bush-Kemp-Romney Republican.”

    -And to give more proof, he wants the Democrat to win the next Presidential election.

  86. Robbie says:

    Sheeple, Jr. says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:20 pm
    Robbie/Wormtongue says this in his post # 63
    ” Devin Nunes routinely leaked to Byron York when he was head of the Intelligence Committee. If there was info being discovered that was beneficial to Trump we’d be hearing about it through friendly reporters.”
    #1- He neglects to cite an article that this is true

    – February 2, 2018. Devin Nunes releases his stupid memo that was supposed to debunk and cripple the Mueller investigation at 1PM. At precisely 1PM, Byron York releases a story on the Washington Examiner about what was contained in the Nunes memo.

    Was Bryon York able to read the memo and then write a story on the memo in less than a minute?

  87. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:23 pm
    “– Where in Catholic teaching does it say a person can’t be angry, Mikey?”
    I didn’t say you can’t ever be angry, but your perpetual anger seems to have poisoned your heart, along with your mind.

    – You’re right. I am perpetually angered that an unqualified, buffoonish, and corrupt man is leading the party of Reagan. And after Trump wrecks the party in 2020, my guess is you’ll suddenly be angry and once again start preaching the need to defeat Republican senators and replace them with Tea Party deadenders.

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    37. “– Just like Saigon in 1975.”

    That is what I am hearing. And the people I am hearing it from are people who Trump should not be alienating.

  89. NYCmike says:

    #86 – no way a “conservative Republican” looks so strongly to government to do so much.

    Robbie is the same guy who was criticizing Trump for his words about NATO not paying their fair share.

    He also criticized Trump in 2017 when Trump equivocated about defending Turkey or any other NATO ally under an Article V resolution.

    Whatever Trump does or says, Robbie yaps onto the other side.

  90. NYCmike says:

    “– You’re right.”

    -Enough said.

  91. NYCmike says:

    “I am perpetually angered that an unqualified, buffoonish, and corrupt man is leading the party of Reagan.”

    -And to think, JEB!2016 could only get a couple of delegates to such a man.

  92. John says:

    According to this poll (YouGov) the majority of R’s approve of Trump pulling US troops out of Syria
    25% strongly approve
    32% somewhat approve
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/kvoamfqbbo/econTabReport.pdf

  93. CG says:

    Chris Christie should have done so well…

  94. NYCmike says:

    “Chris Christie should have done so well…”

    -Why?

    Did he also have $200 million to spend?

    Have I mentioned his name since he showed he wasn’t ready for prime-time?

  95. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:30 pm
    #86 – no way a “conservative Republican” looks so strongly to government to do so much.
    Robbie is the same guy who was criticizing Trump for his words about NATO not paying their fair share.

    – Bless your heart. You don’t understand the first thing about NATO members paying their fair share. Just like Trump, you probably thought that countries actually paid dues.

    And let’s be clear about something, Mikey. Turkey wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing if they didn’t think Trump was an easy mark and a pushover. Turkey never would have done this if Reagan or GHWB or GWB were president. But they did it to Trump because they knew he was a pushover who had a grade schooler’s understanding or Middle East politics and security.

    Congratulations, you got a presidency that advocates the best or worst of Ron Paul.

  96. CG says:

    Chris Christie is ready for Prime Time on the Food Network.

    Maybe Trump can dispatch him to “get on the plane” and get him some more cheeseburgers.

  97. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:33 pm
    “I am perpetually angered that an unqualified, buffoonish, and corrupt man is leading the party of Reagan.”
    -And to think, JEB!2016 could only get a couple of delegates to such a man.

    – When you run a crappy campaign that’s what happens.

    And to think you were all for Ted Cruz who allowed Trump to claim his father helped kill JFK and mocked the appearance of Cruz’s wife. But when push came to shove, your Tea Party hero supported Trump.

  98. Tina says:

    Biden is my candidate if warren fails

    Jebot

  99. Robbie says:

    Matthew Dowd
    @matthewjdowd

    For all those who said the impeachment talk by Dems was helping Trump by consolidating his base and getting “average Americans” upset, i give you latest Gallup poll: Trump approval 39%; disapproval 57%, net -18.

    – To add to this, I was told by the HHR comment section, impeachment guaranteed Democrats in the Trump districts would lose next year.

  100. John says:

    According to the Moodys’ Analytics study that predicts Trump’s reelection is the fact of the low, but stable approval numbers of Trump. The study said they’ve seen these numbers fluctuate as much as 40 points. Always being in the steady low 40’s works in Trump’s favor.

  101. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    Biden is my candidate if warren fails
    Jebot

    – Mike Cernovich is my candidate if Trump fails
    Tinfoil Tina

  102. CG says:

    Fake poll!

    Tina saw it on Twitter that The Conservative Treehouse heard it from Breitbart who linked a story from InfoWars that Gallup does not poll anyone with a southern accent!

  103. Robbie says:

    John says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:45 pm
    According to the Moodys’ Analytics study that predicts Trump’s reelection is the fact of the low, but stable approval numbers of Trump. The study said they’ve seen these numbers fluctuate as much as 40 points. Always being in the steady low 40’s works in Trump’s favor.

    – Moody’s predicted Hillary would win by 126 electoral votes.

  104. CG says:

    Moodys is going about the “traditional” analysis, for better or worse. They are not taking into account all of Trump’s “moods” which make him incredibly polarizing despite what people might think about the economy.

  105. Tina says:

    Hey jebots encourage your speaker of the house to all for impeachement vote

    In short bring it britches

  106. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    when you get some concrete proof of what you are saying, it would be great to see it.

    When GWB was President, Turkey refused our request to base troops there to invade Iraq.

    Reagan and GHWB didn’t have to deal with a Turkish leader who is an Islamist first, a secular leader 2nd.

  107. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    98. “You don’t understand the first thing about NATO members paying their fair share. Just like Trump, you probably thought that countries actually paid dues.”

    Trump by fair share means a percentage of each countries military budget that should be spent on defense. And by this standard European nations are clearly not paying their fair share. Once again, you make an attack on Trump based on something you do not understand.

  108. CG says:

    It seems like you are making the opposite point that you are trying to make Mikey.

    In this Kurdish situation, Turkey is the problem. Trump is kowtowing to him.

  109. Wes says:

    James outraised Peters by $600k last quarter. I’m hoping Trump can keep it close, and James can run ahead of Trump:

    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2019/10/gop-senate-challenger-john-james-closing-fundraising-gap-with-incumbent-democrat.html

  110. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Whether Trump gets elected depends on who his Democratic opponent will be. If it is a leftist socialist like Warren, I will vote for Trump — despite my dislike of him.

    Robbie, what is your choice in a Warren vs. Trump race?

  111. NYCmike says:

    ” But when push came to shove, your Tea Party hero supported Trump.”………instead of the socialistic Democratic candidate…..CORRECT.

    You did the opposite, and will do so again in 2020, as far as I can tell.

    Anger has a way to make people react emotionally, in ways that a more rational approach wouldn’t.

  112. dblaikie says:

    “My dispute with Trump is about his lack of ability to lead the country. This is an administration that maybe isn’t unraveling but is barely functioning. Multiple cabinet positions have been unfilled for months and months and, even where there are confirmed officials, the president chooses not listen to them and instead makes choices based on whatever he saw from the morons on Fox n Friends.”

    What an idiotic, inane statement. Let’s begin with the obvious, the economy under this President is just fine — sort of important. His judicial appointments have been fine — sort of important. With Mexico’s help we are finally starting to control our border — sort of important. His trade deals with Korea, Mexico and Canada, and Japan are positive — sort of important. For the first time we are confronting Chinese economic aggression — sort of important even with doubts about the tariffs. Even though on surface there has been a questionable move with the Kurds and Syria and Turkey, he did destroy the Isis Caliphate — sort of important. Seems like they function to me.

    Worm, get a grip! I am afraid your TDS is making you lose your grip on reality.

  113. Tina says:

    Also jebots please ask your congrress critter for a war declaration against turkey. Please do it. I am sure your speaker piglosi is for it as is maybe Mitchie who should know what tools he has.

    McConnell on Turkey/Syria policy:
    I have told him I disagree with him
    Pergram: But is disagreeing enough?
    McConnell:
    What tools do we have?

  114. CG says:

    When Robbie is around, nobody even tries to fight with me. Makes me sad.

  115. Tina says:

    Biden is running into a cash crunch. He has $8 million on hand. His challengers have more.

    The coupon for stock saving used $1 million on jets

  116. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:50 pm
    Whether Trump gets elected depends on who his Democratic opponent will be. If it is a leftist socialist like Warren, I will vote for Trump — despite my dislike of him.
    Robbie, what is your choice in a Warren vs. Trump race?

    – I have repeatedly said I will not vote for either. I did the same in 2016.

    And right now, I don’t think it matters who Trump’s opponent is. In 1991, GHWB was at 70% approval and every top Democrats passed on the race. Twelve months later, a small state, philandering governor who smoke pot was elected in a landslide.

    Presidential reelections are always a referendum on the incumbent. Presidents get their approval rating on election day and right now Trump is 43%. On top of that, more than 50% want him impeached AND removed from office.

    If the country decides they’re tired of the incumbent, it doesn’t matter who the opponent is. Under no circumstances, should Clinton have ever beaten GHWB, but he did.

  117. VictrC says:

    Robbie

    Thank you for clarifying your position. I think most people here would prefer to have someone other than Trump, but the reality is that this is not going to happen. He was able to put together a winning coalition and won a primary. I was adamantly against him, so were others.

    Unfortunately we are in now, and Trump is our best option to retain the White House.

    I disagree with you on how he is perceived overseas. I am in a fortunate position that I deal with foreign govt at a high level, and you would be surprised at how much he is actually seen in a positive light.

    CG. – Ok, I will change my terminology. Knowing you were a Kemp follower helps. Still, I disagree with your approach. Trash Trump, criticize him, disagree with him, but at the end of the day, abandoning Trump for a Democratic president would be a fatal blow.

  118. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    116. To add to that, you have to take the good and the bad in evaluating a candidate. And at times the truly awful as well. I dislike a lot about Trump, and am appalled by his Syrian decision. But does that mean I want a candidate to win who will turn the U.S. into an economic basic case like Venezuela? Unfortunately, politics is often voting for the candidate you dislike the least.

  119. CG says:

    As I have always made clear Vic, I am NOT voting for a Democrat.

    However, Trump is unacceptable to me. Period.

    I am sure there would be someone other than a Democrat you would find unacceptable too, so you have to at least understand my position.

  120. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    James outraised Peters by $600k last quarter. I’m hoping Trump can keep it close, and James can run ahead of Trump:
    https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2019/10/gop-senate-challenger-john-james-closing-fundraising-gap-with-incumbent-democrat.html

    – He’s a good/great candidate, but I fear he’s picked the two worst cycles for Republicans since 2006 and 2008. In terms of competitive states, senate races tend to follow the presidential race. Off the top of my head, the last one that really didn’t and was targeted was Collins in 2008. A lot has changed since then, though.

  121. hugh says:

    102 fwiw its an adult only poll and his favorability from last time went down 1 point.

  122. Tina says:

    She was also very acceptable.

    Jebot

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    118. “When Robbie is around, nobody even tries to fight with me. Makes me sad.”

    That happens when you don’t bounce of the wall and are a serious poster.

  124. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 16, 2019 at 2:52 pm
    What an idiotic, inane statement.

    – What’s Trump’s approval rating right now? What percentage of the country wants Trump removed from office? If he’s doing such a great job as you believe, why does a majority of the country disagree with you?

  125. Wes says:

    Dean Heller, Heidi Heitkamp, and Jon Tester all won in 2012 despite strong challenges in states the other party’s presidential candidate won in 2012, Robbie.

  126. NYCmike says:

    “In this Kurdish situation, Turkey is the problem. Trump is kowtowing to him.”

    -I would include Syria, Iran, Russia etc as problems. The whole region is a sheothole.

    I do not like leaving the Kurds to their own defense. I didn’t like it in 1991 either.

    Unfortunately, they are a small player on the geopolitical world stage.

    Is Trump the first President to strand them?

    Are we sure about all of the reports from this region?

  127. Tina says:

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  128. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:02 pm
    118. “When Robbie is around, nobody even tries to fight with me. Makes me sad.”
    That happens when you don’t bounce of the wall and are a serious poster.

    – I’m crushed a guy who thought Rasmussen was a real pollster and Peter Navarro was a respected economist would write this.

  129. Robbie says:

    Wes says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:04 pm
    Dean Heller, Heidi Heitkamp, and Jon Tester all won in 2012 despite strong challenges in states the other party’s presidential candidate won in 2012, Robbie.

    – Thank you for pointing that out. I stand corrected.

  130. Tina says:

    Yes turkey is the problem as is the entire intervention into Syria.

    Turkey has 3 million refugeees from Syria that they want out of their country. They hate the pkk and vice versa.

    The pkk are a terrorist group and they despise the Turks as elk as Christian Arabs

    We are not there to fight the Turks. Piglosi Biden and goober cannot point to any resolution authorizing this.

  131. Tina says:

    Mitchies tool is a war resolution against Turkey.

    He won’t do it like piglosi won’t vote on impeahment.

  132. NYCmike says:

    “And right now, I don’t think it matters who Trump’s opponent is. In 1991, GHWB was at 70% approval and every top Democrats passed on the race. Twelve months later, a small state, philandering governor who smoke pot was elected in a landslide.”

    -I don’t figure Trump as someone who will look at his watch during the debate.

    More likely, depending on his opponent, he will have people in the audience to remind the country of whatever corruption that person is guilty of.

  133. VictrC says:

    CG. I did not mean to infer you were voting for a Democrat. I didn’t think you were, I thought you were abstaining.

    I’m referring to the reference to having others abandon him. Right now that would be suicide for the party, Conservatives, and unfortunately our country. If we lose the 2020 election we will not be winning it back any time soon. From SC packing, to laws that make it near impossible to win, to redistricting to Executive orders, this country will shift tectonically left in a way that no electoral college will be able to overcome.

    I think if you did a poll of posters here, and there was a realistic chance to replace Trump with someone, most would go for that. There are things that I do like about him, take away his toxic personality and he’s governed quite conservatively (exceptions to tariffs and spending…but the House does have the purse strings) and I like that fact (to a degree) that he doesn’t take the garbage the left tries to pull sitting down. He fights back.

    If there is one positive thing to take away from this is that we, as Conservatives and Republicans should never take again the garbage that the left throws at us. We need to stand up and fight back

  134. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:14 pm
    “And right now, I don’t think it matters who Trump’s opponent is. In 1991, GHWB was at 70% approval and every top Democrats passed on the race. Twelve months later, a small state, philandering governor who smoke pot was elected in a landslide.”
    -I don’t figure Trump as someone who will look at his watch during the debate.
    More likely, depending on his opponent, he will have people in the audience to remind the country of whatever corruption that person is guilty of.

    – No, he’ll just repeatedly lie and people like you will repeat them.

  135. CG says:

    SDC has sure done a 180 on me. I guess I’ll have to give up the points and accept it though.

    I can’t wait to throw this endorsement of being a “serious poster” in that snowflake mnw’s face…

  136. NYCmike says:

    “– No, he’ll just repeatedly lie and people like you will repeat them.”

    -Didn’t VictrC say something about Daily Kos talking points earlier??

  137. CG says:

    Standing by Trump and Trumpism is suicide for the Republican Party and conservatism, whether the first loss happens in 2020 or sometime beyond that. It’s just not a sustainable philosophy to win votes.

    I am sure you have your own “bridge too far” although you will not own up to what it might be.

    The fact that someone like me who has always been an extremely loyal Republican is completely and utterly revolted by Trump and finds him unacceptable should speak volumes to those who bend over backwards to excuse him for literally anything.

  138. Phil says:

    I will probably wait to decide who to support for President until Lebron James actually makes his endorsement. I want to take advantage of all his wisdom, intellect and vast knowledge in deciding. In all probability I will probably follow Lebron’s lead as to who I vote for next November.

  139. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    You find Trump personally revolting. Great.

    Make a list of important things you consider when picking a President.

    Then, judge each President with the same standard.

    When it comes to the Kurds, both GWHB and Trump are making them fend for themselves, so I guess this situation will be a negative for both of them on your list…….if you are honest.

    Now, go and do the rest of your list.

    ALSO, make a list of the Democratic candidate, and what the policies will look like if Trump is defeated next year.

  140. CG says:

    jason used to worship LeBron.

  141. CG says:

    CG’s list upon considering a President….

    It could be a very long one but in this case I can stop after number 1

    1. Are they a horrible human being?

  142. Tina says:

    Yes dung xi lebron was educated and all.

  143. CG says:

    In regards to GHWB and the Kurds, you seem to be conceding that we should have marched all the way to Baghdad and taken out Saddam in 1991. Perhaps we should have. So, you have to admit that GWB was right to take that step and Trump was wrong to oppose it. (Remember Trump said GWB needed to be impeached.)

    As is the case with tariffs, shouldn’t we learn from the mistakes of history? If GHWB was wrong not to go all out to take out Saddam in 1991, shouldn’t Trump have learned that lesson instead of consciously and actively sentencing the Kurds to death?

  144. jan says:

    FWIW, I have mixed sentiments about pulling troops away from the Syrian/Turkey border. As in most news stories it’s difficult to do an accurate armchair assessment of the good, bad, and ugly of Trump’s decision. While much of the media is saying Trump acted impulsively, his long term comments on foreign wars supports the current decision to leave. In fact he has more in common with Rand Paul than his pal Lindsey Graham on this issue. Nonetheless, I remain on a wait-and-see stance until more reveals itself, especially from any further developments from Turkey negotiations or deals that can be tribally forged in the area involved in these 100:year conflicts.

  145. Tina says:

    Mute 43 was an idiot to invade Iraq.

    It is a disaster akin to Vietnam.

  146. NYCmike says:

    “In regards to GHWB and the Kurds, you seem to be conceding that we should have marched all the way to Baghdad and taken out Saddam in 1991. Perhaps we should have.”

    -OR, if an Iraqi helicopter started firing bullets, we should have taken it out with a missile??!!

  147. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    Saddam didn’t have to be taken out in 1991.

    All we had to do was shoot down the helicopters, which would have been very easy for us.

    Why do you keep trying to make it a quest to take out Saddam?

  148. CG says:

    I’m not familiar with whatever scenario you are raising. I know that GHWB said we had a very limited, heavily defined mission in that war. Was this something that happened afterwards? I would like to trust you know what you are talking about however….

  149. NYCmike says:

    ” If GHWB was wrong not to go all out to take out Saddam in 1991, shouldn’t Trump have learned that lesson instead of consciously and actively sentencing the Kurds to death?”

    -Judge Bush by the same standard.

    Bush should have known that without our protection, the Kurds were in danger. They had always been relegated to a secondary status, which is the main reason they don’t have their own nation-state.

  150. CG says:

    And regardless of whatever mistake that might have done before, wouldn’t that just mean we owe them more?

    Why is Trump doubling down on a mistake and screwing them over 10 times worse?

    This is the same position you take with tariffs. Because Reagan did something far smaller and it didnt work out, that it’s ok for Trump to do the same thing 10 times bigger.

  151. Robbie says:

    CG says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:38 pm
    I’m not familiar with whatever scenario you are raising. I know that GHWB said we had a very limited, heavily defined mission in that war. Was this something that happened afterwards? I would like to trust you know what you are talking about however….

    – Mikey is just scrambling for any way to defend the dear leader. Who he has to tear down doesn’t matter.

  152. CG says:

    Was this a situation where he relied on the military advice of Gen. Schwarzkopf and Gen. Powell to not do something?

    Or did he ignore their warning?

    In this present day case with Trump, we know that our military leadership has warned him against this and told him this is exactly what would happen?

  153. CG says:

    From what I know about what happened after Kuwait was liberated, Schwarzkopf said to GHWB, “That’s it Mr. President. We did what we said we would do and we should leave now.”

    GHWB had a limited mandate from Congress simply to expel Saddam from Kuwait, the UN was opposed, and the feeling was the American people did not want a prolonged war after doing what we said we went there to do.

    But I guess in retrospect after 9/11, and after all the years of Saddam cultivating terrorism and threatening America, we should have taken him out then.

    Obviously we can’t turn back time. That is no excuse for Trump doing something he knew would cause this damage.

  154. CG says:

    And needless to say, Trump should have learned from the disastrous Obama policy of retreat and “leading from behind.”

    Instead, he doubled down on it.

  155. NYCmike says:

    Now you are giving Bush an out due to “a very limited, heavily defined mission in that war”.

    What is Trump’s/military mission in this situation? Is there a war resolution passed giving Trump a clear mandate on whom to fight?

    Does Trump have the backing of the American public?

    Be consistent.

  156. Phil says:

    Yep, Trump has doubled down on stupid in Syria. I can’t disagree with that.

  157. Waingro says:

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    12:31 PM – 16 Oct 2019

  158. Phil says:

    Greater threat than ISIS? The Kurds?

    OMG.

  159. jason says:

    Mollie Hemingway:

    Media really trying to push a story at odds with the fact that we have already all read the transcript. It doesn’t matter if 1000 people talk in secret with political allies about their feelings about what they heard or misheard about it, we’ve all seen it.”

    This is the crux of the matter. We have the transcript, and nobody, including the Dems, have been able to point out where in the transcript there are high crimes and misdemeanors.

    That is why the cheap little coup attempt is not going to remove Trump.

    And that is why Pelosi will not bring the inquiry to a vote, and why Amoral Scumbag is so hysterical.

    He is afraid his socialist candidates might not win. Horrors!

    If Amoral Scumbag was not an amoral scumbag, he would say yeah, I hate Trump, but I am not about to see the Constitution subverted to the point where you try to impeach Presidents because you don’t agree with their policies. But instead, he buys the version the MSM and the far left is trying to push.

    Not a surprise since he has bought into every previous “scandal” too.

    The one thing Amoral Scumbag is right about is that the R party today is not the party of Reagan, not that I believe Amoral Scumbag was ever of the party of Reagan either. But that is not because of Trump, Trump is merely a symptom of the R party voter today, not the cause.

    Even if you believe Amoral Scumbag is some kind of Republican, which I don’t, 90% of Republicans don’t agree with him.

    The party of Reagan left the station long ago. That is why I got off. Now we have Trump or a far leftist. We can disagree on how bad a socialist President would be, Corey and Amoral Scumbag want to sugarcoat it so their support for a socialist seems less egregious. Fine. I think a socialist President would be disastrous, the consequences irreversible once they get open borders and a liberal SCOTUS. No coming back from that no matter how many times you bleat “we survived 8 years of Obama we will survive Warren”. Wrong. Obama is a socialist, but he didn’t have as many far leftists elected to congress as there are now, but even then he did plenty of damage. And btw, it was not Rs that saved us from the “public option” and fully socialized medicine, it was a handful of Dem moderates like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman who no longer exist. Ideologically, the Dem party is much further to the left it was even 4 years ago.

    So for Rs and conservatives and libertarians there is only one option, Trump.

    Once he is re-elected, we can have a fight for the soul of the party, because whomever wins might actually have a chance to implement their vision. If Trump loses, neither side will see the light of day.

    But color me skeptical that I will ever rejoin the R party. The rift between what I believe in and what the majority of R voters today believe in is just too wide.

  160. CG says:

    The resolution passed after 9/11 should mandate that we fight and destroy ISIS. Any President should know that.

    Instead, Donald Trump decided to become ISIS’s new bestie. Somehow, he thinks this will win him the approval of Europeans (spoiler alert, it won’t) and they will give him the Nobel Peace Prize at some big banquet with gold plates and fancy crystals. That’s what he cares about.

  161. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Your silly remarks about defending dear leader – get a grip.

    The simple fact is there are no concrete reports about what is going on there. I don’t think Trump should have made any changes at this time, but maybe he has more information than I do.

    Or, this will imperil Trump’s re-election if it was the wrong decision…..which should make the 2 of you happy.

  162. NYCmike says:

    “Instead, Donald Trump decided to become ISIS’s new bestie. Somehow, he thinks this will win him the approval of Europeans (spoiler alert, it won’t) and they will give him the Nobel Peace Prize at some big banquet with gold plates and fancy crystals. That’s what he cares about.”

    -LOL!

    Probably due to his “well-documented Daddy issues” you speak about!!

  163. CG says:

    “Greater threat than ISIS? The Kurds?”

    Says all there is to know about the man and as I have been saying about him for over four years. He has no loyalty to anyone or anything. Just to himself and making himself look better at any given moment.

    When you people vote, vote your conscience, but then be prepared to own it forever.

  164. dblaikie says:

    First of all, thanks Robbie, for not going down into the gutter with a personal attack. When you are not a Worm I won’t label you one.

    Second, after the disgusting Fox poll done by a left wing loon that had the dems at 48 in their sample +14 over the GOP, and only had independents at around 17 I have decided to ignore media polls. However Gallup is a respectable pollster but it is only adults. (By the way if you took the bogus fox poll and applied the Gallup voter sample the number to impeach and convict Trump goes down to 44) Now Rasmussen which is not a media poll has Trump today at 50. I will be happy to accept that it tilts right and will take 5 points away. Usually samples with just adults have the Gop about 5 or so points lower than likely voters. So I am happy to say that Trump’s approval is around 45. He won with 46.

  165. Phil says:

    I disagree with Trump on Syria and tariffs.

    I will vote for him over any radical leftist Democrats put up against him.

    I believe I am doing the right thing in both cases. Anyone else can do whatever the hell they want.

  166. dblaikie says:

    In fact fellow posters post 168 reveals my personal approximation of Trumps approval. Add 5 points to the Gallup poll of adults and subtract 5 points from Rasmussen.

  167. CG says:

    He’s already said that Kim Jon Un is preferable than Joe Biden.

    That will get him applause at his rally.

  168. jason says:

    Why is Trump doubling down on a mistake and screwing them over 10 times worse?

    This is the same position you take with tariffs. Because Reagan did something far smaller and it didnt work out, that it’s ok for Trump to do the same thing 10 times bigger.”

    The answer is simple. The majority of R voters today believe protectionism and isolationism is a good thing.

    How many Rs in this forum actually believe in free trade? Bitter and Phil maybe. How many think Trump is wrong on Syria? Very few.

    Blaming Trump is foolish. Protectionism and isolationism is popular with the R base.

    The Dems are confused. They thought the AFL-CIO agenda and “peace in our time” and “bring the troops home” was their agenda. Now they are left slamming Trump for policies THEY always defended.

  169. CG says:

    He gets some political blowback and suddenly the Kurds are worse than ISIS.

    Goodluck getting anyone to ever side with America again in our fight on terror. Goodluck finding countries or groups willing to share intelligence.

    Trump has made it clear that in his world, it’s everyone out for themselves.

    Yes, the U.S. is a strong nation militarily, but we are going to be the first ones the terrorists attack again.

    If and when we see those images on tv, some people can comfort themselves with the thought that at least they are fighting “socialism” the only way they claim is possible.

  170. CG says:

    I am a Republican who believes in free trade and that Trump is risking thousands of American lives (let alone slaughtering the Kurds) with his foreign policy.

    That is why as a Republican, I want the party to reject him and move in a different direction before it is too late.

  171. jason says:

    Instead, Donald Trump decided to become ISIS’s new bestie.”

    Zzzzzzzzz……

  172. CG says:

    Appeasers have been well known throughout history for their ability to sleep.

  173. jason says:

    am a Republican who believes in free trade and that Trump is risking thousands of American lives (let alone slaughtering the Kurds) with his foreign policy.

    That is why as a Republican, I want the party to reject him and move in a different direction before it is too late.”

    Drivel. The R party is not going to move in any different direction and you know it. That is just garbage to justify why you want a socialist as President, because the party “won’t move your way”.

    I am zen with the fact the party will not “move my way”, that is why I left.

    But I still have an interest in the future of the country, and the future of the country is better served by Trump’s policies than those of far leftists.

    Even if I disagree with Trump’s trade policy, I know that a far leftist beholden to hundreds of millions in union money is not going to be a friend of free trade. Even if I don’t agree with Trump’s foreign policy on some aspects, I know that a far leftist is not going to be any friend of Israel, will also be an isolationist, and will also put “American lives at risk”. Because that is what the Dems have traditionally been about, and they haven’t improved with flaming anti-semites like AOC and Omar as the conscience of the party.

    Nothing changes that.

  174. CG says:

    Patty Hearst couldn’t have given a more convincing manifesto herself.

  175. CG says:

    Not to be outdone, Trump is now saying that undocumented immigrants from Mexico are all greater threats than ISIS.

    He has demoted ISIS from the “JV squad” to a 5th grade girls team.

  176. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lisab has stated we have no obligation to the Kurds, as we have no treaty with them and they are not a nation. This is bull. The independence of Kurdistan and Armenia was recognized by the Treaty of Sevres after World War I.

    Its terms:

    Article 62
    A Commission sitting at Constantinople and composed of three members appointed by the British, French and Italian Governments respectively shall draft within six months from the coming into force of the present Treaty a scheme of local autonomy for the predominantly Kurdish areas lying east of the Euphrates, south of the southern boundary of Armenia as it may be hereafter determined, and north of the frontier of Turkey with Syria and Mesopotamia, as defined in Article 27.II(2) and (3). If unanimity cannot be secured on any question, it will be referred by the members of the Commission to their respective Governments. The scheme shall contain full safeguards for the protection of the Assyro-Chaldeans and other racial or religious minorities within these areas, and with this object a Commission composed of British, French, Italian, Persian and Kurdish representatives shall visit the spot to examine and decide what rectifications, if any, should be made in the Turkish frontier where, under the provisions of the present Treaty, that frontier coincides with that of Persia.
    Article 63
    The Turkish Government hereby agrees to accept and execute the decisions of both the Commissions mentioned in Article 62 within three months from their communication to the said Government.
    Article 64
    If within one year from the coming into force of the present Treaty the Kurdish peoples within the areas defined in Article 62 shall address themselves to the Council of the League of Nations in such a manner as to show that a majority of the population of these areas desires independence from Turkey, and if the Council then considers that these peoples are capable of such independence and recommends that it should be granted to them, Turkey hereby agrees to execute such a recommendation, and to renounce all rights and title over these areas.
    The detailed provisions for such renunciation will form the subject of a separate agreement between the Principal Allied Powers and Turkey.
    If and when such renunciation takes place, no objection will be raised by the Principal Allied Powers to the voluntary adhesion to such an independent Kurdish State of the Kurds inhabiting that part of Kurdistan which has hitherto been included in the Mosul vilayet.”

    The European powers and Turkey signed the treaty. President Wilson favored it, but Congress went into an isolationist mode and opposed the League of Nations, etc.

    When Ataturk took over in Turkey, he ignored the treaty and began a slaughter of Christian Armenians. They also went after the Kurds, who were better able to protect themselves. But millions Armenian and Greek Christians were killed in Nazi-like massacres.

    Once the Nazi Turks prevailed. The European powers signed a new treaty and turned a blind eye on what had happened. If you feel these actions justify us ignoring the Kurds (as well as Armenians) because they are not recognized as a nation, I think the facts speak for themselves.

  177. John says:

    107
    Moodys admits as much. In fact, it was there only miscalculation in the last 36 years.

  178. John says:

    House Resolution to for use of military action against Iraq in 2002…
    Yea…296
    No….133

    House Resolution 114 107th Congress

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455

  179. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here are pictures of the Turkish genocide of Armenians. Apparently Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks denies the Turkish holocaust happened:

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/armenian-genocide-photos#7

  180. jason says:

    Trump is wrong on Syria. He has been good at fighting ISIS.

    Both can be true.

    Saying he is ISIS’s beastie or whatever is just really stupid.

  181. jason says:

    Not to be outdone, Trump is now saying that undocumented immigrants from Mexico are all greater threats than ISIS.”

    Never Trumpers are feeling left out.

  182. CG says:

    Good at fighting ISIS until when?

    These actions caused ISIS to escape and will enable them to gain a foothold to harm Americans.

    He shrugs it off and wants people to accept his judgment because the Kurds are suddenly more of a threat and indeed so is everyone who might be in America illegally from Mexico. Everyone. Unless someone in America illegally is *also* a member of a jihadist network, they are not.

    He’s given up on fighting ISIS and gone full Ron Paul. It’s “their” problem now. If and when we get attacked, he’ll blame the policy on someone else.

  183. CG says:

    The Kurds have been America’s allies for decades and have sacrificed much in that process and helped us to a great extent.

    Today, Trump endorsed ISIS over them. It cannot be taken any other way.

    If this were a professional wrestling plotline twist, everyone would be able to understand it for what it was and realize who was on what side at this point in the story.

    but this is real life and Trump apologists will simply shrug or fall in line.

    He would turn his back on anyone in a second, including Israel, if he thought he needed to make himself look better.

  184. jason says:

    Patty Hearst couldn’t have given a more convincing manifesto herself.”

    Suck it Bitter, you have never been compared to Patty Hearst.

    I don’t know why I even come here anymore, my work is really done and I have more points than I know what to do with.

    However, I really can’t honestly accept the honor. I have to give the Patty Hearst Award to MSM sycophant scumbag toadie Mitt Romney, whose only ambition in life now is adulation (yes, temporary, but who lives forever?) from the same people who destroyed his candidacy with the vilest attacks on his family, his heritage, his religion, his record, his businesses, you name, nothing was too low for the MSM or Amoral Scumbag (who now just loooves Romney).

  185. jason says:

    Today, Trump endorsed ISIS over them. It cannot be taken any other way.”

    Sure it can, because it is an abject lie not supported by any fact.

    Trump has been excellent fighting ISIS, I give him credit where it is due.

    You should too, if you were honest.

  186. jason says:

    He would turn his back on anyone in a second, including Israel,”

    BS. Trump has been a great supporter of Israel.

    You would admit it too, if you were honest.

  187. CG says:

    You aren’t even trying anymore. You are just “zen” in your mantra that Trump cannot be criticized.

    He literally said today that the Kurds are a bigger problem than ISIS.

    If Obama said that, you would ask why he isn’t in handcuffs.

  188. jason says:

    Trying to pretend ISIS has made a comeback because of anything Trump has done with the 1000 troops in Syria is asinine.

    I think its a mistake, but its no great boon to ISIS, which Trump has effectively decimated.

  189. jason says:

    antra that Trump cannot be criticized”

    Hello?

    I think he can be criticized, so much so that I have been calling his Syria policy wrong since the first day.

    However, lying about him is another matter. Trump has been great in fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria and calling him a friend of ISIS or whatever is just plain stupid.

    And you know it is stupid, you just can’t help yourself.

    Sad.

  190. jason says:

    Under Corey’s silly logic, if I said Stalin was worse than Hitler I must be Hitler’s “beastie”.

    Hilarious.

  191. CG says:

    If you said that during WWII while Americans were fighting side by side with the Soviets in a common cause to defeat the Nazis it would be just as dumb and just as dangerous.

    Saying ISIS is decimated and not a threat is a blunder worse than anything Obama could even think of.

  192. CG says:

    ISIS is about as “decimated” as Trump is “leading in every poll big.”

  193. pitchaboy says:

    1. The ally in the region is Turkey: NATO member.
    2. No doubt the Kurds helped with ISIS. But they are every bit as vicious as the Turks. Ask the Armenians.
    3. Middle Eastern wars will never end. If you want a presence there to curtail the Turks, then you need indefinite posting of American soldiers out there.

    The issue I have with DJT is the way he abruptly pulled out. But make no mistake, ISIS is like a cancer and I ought to know one when I see it. They have already metastasized to Pakistan, parts of India, Indonesia etc.

  194. Tina says:

    The problem is we ain’t fighting turkey.

    It’s over in syria and the endless war.

    Next time state the mission and declare war on turkey.

  195. Paul says:

    We weren’t ever in Turkey. Turkey is the one who has crossed the border into Syria.

  196. Robbie says:

    Peter Baker
    @peterbakernyt

    During meeting, Trump trashed Mattis, his first defense secretary, calling him “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough. I captured ISIS. Mattis said it would take 2 years. I captured them in 1 month.” (Per Democratic official.)

    – Totally sane and normal.

  197. Tina says:

    Call a whambulance piglosi and dog Schumacher

    Schumer on President Trump: He was insulting, particularly to the Speaker. He called her a third-rate politician

  198. Paul says:

    What’s up with this letter from Trump to Erdogan after Turkey began their invasion.

  199. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:55 pm
    Robbie,
    Your silly remarks about defending dear leader – get a grip.

    – This coming from a guy who preached Tea Party conservatism for decade only to back a NYC conman is so rich.

  200. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 16, 2019 at 3:54 pm
    Mollie Hemingway:

    – LOL! Mollie Hemingway. LOL!

  201. CG says:

    jason has gone full Paulbot. But he’s “Zen.” Perhaps the AquaBuddha is helping him shut his Trump Shame into a small little corner of his sub conscience.

  202. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    October 16, 2019 at 4:09 pm
    Why is Trump doubling down on a mistake and screwing them over 10 times worse? The answer is simple. The majority of R voters today believe protectionism and isolationism is a good thing.

    – No. The majority of R voters today believe that whatever Trump says is what they believe. If Trump vociferously opposed tariffs, R voters would oppose tariffs. If Trump wanted to send 30,000 troops to Syria, R voters would agree.

  203. tina says:

    The speaker should be insulted. She is an idiot. No sympathy for piglosi.

    She is botoxic.

    Take her plane away too.

  204. Tina says:

    Botoxic stormed out the room what a bewitch

    .@GOPLeader: “I see a pattern of behavior with Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She storms out of another meeting, trying to make it unproductive. The other Democrats stayed and actually had a very productive meeting.”

  205. Robbie says:

    The common folk who support Trump wanted a president to call one of America’s most respected generals of the last 50 years “overrated” and say that he personally captured ISIS.

  206. Phil says:

    …..and he wasn’t respectful to Speaker Pelosi.

    Boo Hoo

  207. Tina says:

    Botoxic should know that Russia was in Syria before we sent Troops. Take Away her plane.

    ews Breaking LIVE
    @NewsBreaking
    · 58m
    BREAKING: Speaker Pelosi says that she told President Trump during their meeting that “Russia has for a long time always wanted to have a foothold in the Middle East—and now he has enabled that to happen

  208. Tina says:

    Dog Schumah has the head down

    Looks like the hostage scene 2,0

    Phuq then

    Have piglosi take her vote. Have her do a war resolution against turkey.

    Or stfu.

  209. Tina says:

    Schiffty is pressuring witnesses

    Ryan Saavedra
    @RealSaavedra
    ·
    1h
    BREAKING: In a secret interview, Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff pressured former U.S. special representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker to testify that Ukrainian officials felt pressured by Trump to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter

  210. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 16, 2019 at 5:54 pm
    …..and he wasn’t respectful to Speaker Pelosi.
    Boo Hoo

    – This the problem, Phil. You may like or love the fact that Trump fights and calls Pelosi names, but this kind of nonsense is precisely why Trump can’t get above 43% and is watching the traditionally Republican suburbs go quickly to the Democrats.

    He may want to say this stuff, but he’s no longer a gadfly real estate developer sitting in his NYC office trying to get himself on the front page. He’s the president and he ought to act that way.

    And before you say “but GWB was a wimp and look what happened to him”, GWB didn’t fall in the polls because he didn’t call Pelosi names. He fell in the polls because the economy fell apart in his second term.

  211. Tina says:

    Boo hoo

    No respect is owed her.

  212. Tina says:

    Botoxic can declare war against turkey. She won’t.

    https://t.co/oao9zasio2?amp=1

  213. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    October 16, 2019 at 6:08 pm
    Botoxic can declare war against turkey. She won’t.
    https://t.co/oao9zasio2?amp=1

    – Dementia Don can be tough on Putin. He won’t.

  214. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The House has voted overwhelming against Trump’s Syria policy:

    “The measure passed in a 354-60 vote, with four lawmakers voting present. All 60 votes against the resolution came from Republicans, with the present votes coming from three GOP lawmakers and Rep. Justin Amash (I-Mich.). The top three House Republicans supported the motion in a rare split from the president.”

    Meanwhile, Trump is blasting a Republican who was trying to defend him against impeachment:

    “Lindsey Graham would like to stay in the Middle East for the next thousand years with thousands of soldiers and fighting other people’s wars. I want to get out of the Middle East,” Trump said at a joint press conference with the Italian president.

    “The senator dug in upon hearing of Trump’s criticism, tweeting that he will “NEVER be quiet” on matters of national security.
    “The worst thing any Commander in Chief can do is to give land back to the enemy that was taken through blood and sacrifice,” Graham tweeted. “I fear those are the consequences of the actions being taken right now.”

    This is just loony behavior.

  215. Phil says:

    His poll numbers fell a year into his second term – pounded 24-7 by the left and their lap dogs in the media over Katrina and Iraq. All the while he remained quiet and refused to respond. He curled up in a fetal position position and let his critics kick the sh+t out of him without so much as an ounce of defense…..let alone any fight back. No fight whatsoever. The economic collapse didn’t happen until September of 2012. By then his approval had already dropped to 40% and the high 30s in some polls.

    As far as Pelosi, she and the Schiffs on the Democratic side haven’t exactly conducted themselves in a respectful fashion.

    Screw her. She can dish it out but she can’t take it. As per usual the left wants it one way.

  216. Tina says:

    House resolution is worthless

    They never authorized troops

  217. Tina says:

    Piglosi that take up a war resolution

    Or continue to pound sand.

  218. Tina says:

    And goober can pound sand wit her.

  219. Robbie says:

    Mike DeBonis
    @mikedebonis

    NEW DETAIL per three sources: Trump said several times in mtg he wasn’t concerned about terrorists 7,000 miles away. After Pelosi & Hoyer left,
    @RepLizCheney spoke up to remind Trump that the terrorists responsible for 9/11 “came from 7,000 miles away” themselves.

    – Trump was always unprepared for the presidency, but he hasn’t grown into the job either. The stress is really beginning affect his performance.

  220. Phil says:

    After three years of calling the President everything from a racist to a traitor Democrats are now complaining Trump wasn’t nice?

    Man, this is rich.

  221. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 16, 2019 at 6:15 pm
    His poll numbers fell a year into his second term – pounded 24-7 by the left and their lap dogs in the media over Katrina and Iraq. All the while he remained quiet and refused to respond.

    – No amount of responding was ever going to overcome a horrific situation in Iraq where troops were dying daily or an economy that went into freefall.

    It’s a fallacy to believe fighting can overcome the laws of political gravity. Trump, with this economy, should be at 50% or higher. It’s his behavior that keeps him at 43%.

  222. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 16, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    After three years of calling the President everything from a racist to a traitor Democrats are now complaining Trump wasn’t nice?
    Man, this is rich.

    – I expect a president to act better than his rivals and act in a manner befitting the presidency. He’s not just the head of government. He’s also the head of state. And my guess is far more of the country will agree with me than with the view a president should be a constant street brawler who calls everyone who disagrees with him names.

  223. Phil says:

    I’m not going to defend trump’s behavior in general, but in Bush’s case failing to defend your own policies and let your opposition pound on you without answering is suicide. It will get you buried in a political campaign and do the same while you are in office.

    My only comment here is Democrats whining about the way they are treated. What the hell did they expect? Come on.

  224. jason says:

    Trump, with this economy, should be at 50% or higher. It’s his behavior that keeps him at 43%.”

    Begs the question.

    Should you care more about the economy or “his behavior”.

    And which Dems are “behaving” better than Trump? Schiff? AOC? Omar? Beto?

    Did Obama “behave” well as President? Clinton?

    My problems with Trump have to do with his disastrous trade policies and some of his idiotic foreign policy ideas.

    Ah yes, we are supposed to forget the economy and concentrate on maybe he had a one night stand 10 years before he was President.

  225. jason says:

    I expect a president to act better than his rivals and act in a manner befitting the presidency”

    LOL

    Like an Amoral Scumbag like you cares about how anyone acts.

    Look at the mirror first.

    I think you are upset Trump has more integrity and is more honest than you will ever be.

  226. jason says:

    majority of R voters today believe that whatever Trump says is what they believe.”

    Garbage.

    Trump reflects the views of the majority of R voters, not the other way around.

    Trump was a Dem most of his life.

    He knows what sells in today’s R party.

  227. jason says:

    jason has gone full Paulbot”

    I should retire.

  228. jason says:

    Corey is too stupid to realize Rand Paul actually supports Trumps dumb Syria policy.

    But hey, I will take the points.

  229. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As has been pointed out, these were Trump’s comments regarding General Mattis:

    +Mattis was “the world’s most overrated general.”
    “You know why? He wasn’t tough enough,” Trump said

    +”I captured ISIS. Mattis said it would take two years. I captured them in 1 month.”

    These comments are coming from a man who obtained five draft deferments to avoid military service. Yet he now thinks he is Napoleon, and states “I captured ISIS in one month” This is totally false. It was a long grinding battle that began in 2014.

    As they say on Television: “I’m out”. I think Trump is now bonkers, and can no longer support him. He has done a lot of good for the economy, and there are many things I like about him. But he appears to have buckled under the pressure of his office, and is exercising very poor judgment. I was about through with him last December, but he reversed course and knowledgeable friends indicated he realized his error and it was an aberration. Now those friends have also given up on him as well, as his behavior is becoming more bizarre. Its time to move on.

  230. jason says:

    The Dems have been more insulting to Trump than he has to them.

    Whatever he calls Pelosi she deserves.

    Mattis is another story.

  231. jason says:

    ts time to move on.”

    WHo are you moving on too?

  232. jason says:

    THe MSM got to SD.

    Oh well, it happens.

    It shows you propaganda works.

  233. Phil says:

    234

    Bingo. Agree with all three observations.

  234. Phil says:

    I guess California is lost now.

  235. jason says:

    I understand SD’s frustrations.

    I said I would never vote for Trump after he attacked McCain’s military record.

    But the stakes are much higher than one, two or a hundred stupid comments.

  236. jason says:

    And my guess is far more of the country will agree with me than with the view a president should be a constant street brawler who calls everyone who disagrees with him names”

    I like it that Trump fights back on all the people that certainly don’t respect his office and call him names all the time.

    That goes for the MSM and most of the Dems.

    What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Attacking people like Mattis and McCain, no.

    Still doesn’t mean we should have a socialist President.

  237. jason says:

    If Trump called Pelosi third-grade politician kudos to him.

    She has been far more insulting to him than that.

  238. Robbie says:

    Matt Lewis
    @mattklewis

    Being a loyal Republican now requires believing that Gen. James Mattis is “the worlds most overrated general,” that Mitt Romney is a “Democrat secret asset,” that Nancy Pelosi is a “third-rate politician,” and that Donald Trump is a “stable genius.”

    – Jason fraud reads this and thinks to himself, “Darn right!”.

  239. Phil says:

    So the MSM is now concerned with civility?

    Oh, civility from one side only. Now I get it.

  240. Phil says:

    Oh no. A Republican calling Nancy Pelosi a third rate politician.

    The horror.

    That’s terrible…and after All Nancy has done for President Trump. This is outrageous.

  241. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 16, 2019 at 7:08 pm
    So the MSM is now concerned with civility?
    Oh, civility from one side only. Now I get it.

    – Civility? No. But would you at least acknowledge what we’re experiencing on both sides in DC is a whole new level nastiness that serves no one well?

  242. Phil says:

    I think anyone would acknowledge that, Robbie.

  243. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    October 16, 2019 at 7:13 pm
    I think anyone would acknowledge that, Robbie.

    – Ok. I’m glad we can agree on that.

    And just to add to this, I don’t place 100% of the blame on Trump either. He definitely laid bare what had been bubbling up, but this awful moment was years in the making whether it be FoxNews and talk radio on the right or MSNBC and DailyKos on the left.

  244. Hugh says:

    So trump is a total as s clown. I believe it completely but unfortunately the choice will be binary. Warren or trump for me it’s easy. As to what he said or didn’t say in a meeting it’s impossible to know what he actually said and even more impossible to know if he believes it. If he had a filter he’d win in a Reagan type landslide.

  245. janz says:

    I read and hear the back and forth between the two parties, and it seems to me the lack of civility meter registers much higher on the democrat side of the aisle. Pelosi, Schumer, Maxine Waters, Nadler, Schiff – all of them have had nothing but obstructive knives out since the Oval Office changed hands from democrat to republican.

  246. jason says:

    LOL

    A “conservative” is actually comparing Fox News to MSNBC.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  247. Phil says:

    One thing I’ve said all along….Trump has always remained his own worst enemy….and, yes his approval would be significantly higher if he would put a sock in it. He could defend himself unlike passive Bush but he could do it without being outrageous. Unfortunately, he lacks the temperament. We are given a very unfortunate choice….Trump or Warren. That’s where we are. not a great choice but it’s binary and everyone will have to choose. There just isn’t another option regardless of how bad we may want one.

    Choose.

  248. jason says:

    Mitt Romney is a “Democrat secret asset,”

    This is obviously a lie.

    It’s not secret.

  249. Phil says:

    Not sure I’d have the temperament either if I had to endure what this President has over the last three years.

  250. Phil says:

    yeah, it’s not exactly a secret.

  251. janz says:

    #233. So, just like that, you throw in the towel, after hearing Schumer’s version on what went on in the meeting, after they trounced out making a beeline to microphones? Amazing, where one’s tipping point is!

    I too may find something in Trump’s presidency that will make me reverse my vote away from him. However, it will take a lot more than a heated argument, name calling – a supposed political war of ugly words – to make that happen, in lieu of weighing the positive actions in Trump’s presidency, so far, versus what awaits us should the other side be in charge.

  252. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag has no credibility on “civility” because since the beginning of Trump’s presidency he has advocated for Trump to just allow the MSM to run all over him and accept all the lies and insults and attacks without responding.

    Why, because he believed all the lies and insults and attacks, they served his purpose.

    He has always been outraged that the MSM has been consistently challenged by Trump, and he knows the only reason 90% of Rs support him today is exactly because he has fought back against the dishonest, partisan, Pravda like MSM.

    Of course Amoral Scumbag forget that if Jeb were President, the MSM would do the same thing, but THEN he wouldn’t like it.

    Amoral Scumbag.

  253. jason says:

    Fox News is the only cable network that at least has some balance. It has the Trump sycophants like Hannity, but there is plenty of other views on the network, including Shep Smith who attacked Trump for years.

    Where are the Shep Smiths, Juan Williams, Chris Wallaces, Neil Cavutos on MSNBC?

    Amoral Scumbag is a clown.

  254. jason says:

    If Amoral Scumbag says Morning Joe is a conservative I will LMAO.

  255. Ben says:

    These polls are stupid. Moody’s Analytics has Trump winning with an average of 351 EVs and as high as 380EV. Now how can that be with these polls showing by all measures that Trump is going to get trounced?

  256. dblaikie says:

    For years I was lured into thinking that the Neo-Cons view of the world was the right one. Like many I was all in for the war in Iraq and staying in Afghanistan. However I have come to discover that the Mid-East is a quagmire where it is naive to think we could resolve issues that have gone on since Isaac couldn’t get along with Ishmael.

    I don’t know what is going on in Syria. It seems that Trump has made a mistake and maybe he has. Yes, stuff like this shows that he is too thin skinned. But at least he says what he thinks — no pretense. 80% of the time I think that is great and 20% of the time I cringe. But I am very skeptical of the media and I am very aware that many of the never Trumpers are the Neo Cons who think that the US should be constantly in the nation building business.

    So I will withhold judgement. I have learned that is best way to position yourself in the Trump era.

  257. Tina says:

    Trump was nice.

    He said to Piglosi.

    Good bye, see you at the polls

    There are pics of the drats looking disrespectful in the meeting,

  258. dblaikie says:

    After I read the way that the Fox News Poll was twisted and turned to drive a narrative that would maximize rating I believe that all media polls should be taken skeptically. Not rejected but viewed with honest questions about motives.

  259. Phil says:

    Conservatives

    Nicole Wallace
    Morning Joe
    Ana Navaro
    Rick Wilson
    Rick Schmidt
    Max Boot

  260. Tina says:

    The 3 jebots are very disrespectful here.

    https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii

  261. dblaikie says:

    Since San Diego is now against Trump, I would like to know who he is going to support. And if he says that he is just not going to vote in 2020, an election where the Country itself is on line, he should be ashamed of himself.

  262. Tina says:

    If the polls were favorable,Piglosi would have a vote to impeach, The polls are adults only or highly skewed.

    Piglosi won’t vote.

  263. Tina says:

    onald J. Trump
    ?
    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    15m15 minutes ago
    More
    Nancy Pelosi needs help fast! There is either something wrong with her “upstairs,” or she just plain doesn’t like our great Country. She had a total meltdown in the White House today. It was very sad to watch. Pray for her, she is a very sick person!

  264. lisab says:

    The problem is for those who have children. What do we do? My boys are 3 and 5. What kind of future are they going to have? Everything they work for, any time they succeed it will be punished. They will have their earnings taken away bit by it with higher taxes to pay for those who won’t work, they will be forced to eventually pay for some form of reparations to all the groups who feel aggrieved in any manner.
    —————————————–

    well … for one be sure to mark them as hispanic on their birth certificates

    the government does not like it if you claim to be hispanic later, but it is not on your birth certificate

  265. Robbie says:

    dblaikie says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:09 pm
    After I read the way that the Fox News Poll was twisted and turned to drive a narrative that would maximize rating I believe that all media polls should be taken skeptically. Not rejected but viewed with honest questions about motives.

    – The poll was not twisted no matter how many times you claim it was. It’s finding is right in line with other polls showing impeachment and removal is at just above 50%.

    Unskewing didn’t work in this forum in 2012 and it won’t work now.

  266. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I believe in free trade. I believe Trump is wrong on the Kurds.

    Remember that or GFY.

  267. Tina says:

    If Piglosi had the support of the peeps, she would vote to impeach.

    She won’t take up,a vote.

    She won’t declare war on turkey.

    She is a fraud, like Schiffty, who was caught trying to create false testimony.

  268. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is a full Paulbot now? Damn. I thought NYC or Tina would be the first to attain that sad status.

  269. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Retweeted Petr Svab
    BIG NEWS: “Mifsud’s lawyer, Stephan Roh, confirmed to The Epoch Times that the DOJ obtained the BlackBerrys and said he was informed that Mifsud used them to communicate with “at least one person in the U.S.”

  270. Tina says:

    No Bl, I am an independent conservative. Paulbots do not believe in enforcing borders.

    The jebots better relate to a Paul , as do many gop-e.

  271. janz says:

    When you judge Trump, it’s a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff – the wheat being the substance of his policies and judicial upgrades, versus the chaff, being his unruly mouth. I just don’t see how becoming disgusted by his comments, in an agitated meeting with Dems who only want to construct a partisan impeachment against him, warrants a complete turnaround of pulling support for him.

  272. Tina says:

    Even Piglosis crew are disgusted with her. Look at their faces.

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra

  273. lisab says:

    The independence of Kurdistan and Armenia was recognized by the Treaty of Sevres after World War I.
    ——————————-

    the treaty of sevres was unratified

    and

    replaced by the treaty of lausanne

    which gave no independence to the kurds

    as i am sure you know

  274. VictrC says:

    The irony about all of this is that the Democrats, Liberals and Never Trump peoples obsession with overturning the 2016 election is very likely going to cause the same result in 2020.

    Each day, the Syria business aside (which in a year from now no one will care about) I am beginning to believe that the Dems have no chance of flipping MI, WI and PA (which they will need to do) and therefore will lose to Trump again.

  275. NYCmike says:

    VictrC

    SHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    Well, at least 43% of Republicans agree with me that Trump is wrong on Syria/Turkey/Kurds.

  277. Tina says:

    I believe it’s only 28 percent that say he is wrong.

  278. Tina says:

    Cn and n and NBC had to correct the trump meeting transcript

    NBC News
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    CORRECTION: A previous tweet misquoted President Trump saying Turkey’s invasion into northern Syria “is not our problem.”

    He said, “They have a problem at a border — it’s not our border,” as well as “it’s not between Turkey and the US,” according to White House transcript.

  279. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – Aren’t you worried that you and the Dems agree on Syria?

  280. Tina says:

    The jebots want us to defend Syria’s border with turkey and keep our border with Mexico,wide open.

    Smart.

  281. Tina says:

    Bl, you need to partner up with your bff, Piglosi, and pass a war resolution against Turkey.

  282. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – You can GFY if you think I support Pelosi. The point you ignore is that all Trump had to do was do nothing. His new policy caused this current mess. 3 weeks ago nobody was discussing/demanding changing policy on Turkey/Syria/Kurds. Trump owns this. There was no need to declare war on Turkey to stay the course.

  283. Tina says:

    He has smaller crowd sizes than China ?Biden:

    s18 seconds ago
    More
    Mark Sanford kicked off his presidential campaign against Donald Trump in Philly. One person showed up to hear him speak from a plywood lectern. After his speech, one reporter interviewed him. #Sanford2020
    https://www.inquirer.com/news/mark-sanford-campaign-kickoff-in-philadelphia-donald-trump-2020-20191016.html

  284. Tina says:

    Wrong.

    ber 16, 2019 at 10:45 pm
    Tina – You can GFY if you think I support Pelosi. The point you ignore is that all Trump had to do was do nothing. His new policy caused this current mess. 3 weeks ago nobody was discussing/demanding changing policy on Turkey/Syria/Kurds. Trump owns this. There was no need to declare war on Turkey to stay the course.

  285. Tina says:

    Yup do nothing and clock his shoes together would have stopped the wannabe head of the Ottoman Empire.

    28 troops would do it.

  286. Bitterlaw says:

    Turkish troops were not on the move until Trump F’ed up. Sorry, Tina. Your hero messed up. Staying the course was working.

  287. Tina says:

    Link please.

    Turkish troops were not on the move until Trump F’ed up. Sorry, Tina. Your hero messed up. Staying the course was working.

  288. NYCmike says:

    Triple

  289. Tina says:

    Seems like Mayhem Kelly returned to faux news tonite for an interview with tucker.

    Is she looking to become Shep Smiths replacement?

    Will,Britt ?Hume “assist” her?

  290. Bitterlaw says:

    Which side of the border were they on before Trump F’ed up, Tina? That is the issue.

  291. Bitterlaw says:

    I meant, were they attacking before Trump F’ed up.

  292. Bitterlaw says:

    Why would any group help the US to fight terrorists now that they know they will be abandoned? Despite what Tina says, nobody was pushing for a war with Turkey, Trump just had to keep the policy in place.

  293. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    280. “the treaty of sevres was unratified.”

    The Treaty of Sevres was ratified by the Turkey’s Ottoman government. Subsequently, Ataturk overthrew that government and refused to honor the treaty. The British had supported a Kurdish state, to the point of even encouraging a Kurdish rebellion against Ataturk, but as Ataturk became stronger, they backed down.

    Increasingly the European powers were focusing on obtaining oil from Iraq and the Persian Gulf area, so they wanted to control this area of the former Ottoman Empire. The Kurds were expendable if Turkey let the Europeans have the areas of its former empire that had oil.

  294. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    306. Its nuts Bitter. Again I am through with Trump. However, as previously stated, if its Warren versus Trump, I vote Trump. And none of the lightweight Republicans running for the nomination impress me. At least House Republicans had the courage to overwhelming opposed Trump’s Syrian withdraw fiasco.

  295. lisab says:

    The Treaty of Sevres was ratified by the Turkey’s Ottoman government.
    ————————–

    but the usa is not the ottoman empire

    the usa did not sign it

    but we DID sign the UN charter, which clearly states we will not undermine another country’s borders

    we also signed the nato treaty

    which turkey has invoked regarding the kurds in syria.

    these are two treaties which we have actually signed.

  296. lisab says:

    the usa also didn’t sign the treaty of tordesillas

    so we don’t abide by that treaty either

  297. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    BREAKING: Elijah Cummings is Dead.
    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3786790/posts

  298. Wes says:

    You know, I’m not at all sad to know Elijah Cummings can no longer spout his vapid liberalism—though I didn’t wish for his death—but some of those Free Republic comments, particularly the cultish ones discussing the so-called “Trump curse” are morbid.

    Seriously if opposing Donald Trump leads to someone’s death, then I might honestly need to re-evaluate how I plan to vote in 12 1/2 months.

  299. Tina says:

    Sdc, you seem reasonable. I would wait for any official transcript of yesterday’s meeting (if one is released).

    Seems like Cn and n and nbc had to revise what trump said in a section of the meeting. I posted the link yesterday.

    When these controversies emerge, I wai 24/48 hours..

  300. Tina says:

    Well Bl, I answered your question with a link. Your claim that turkey was not doing anything is wrong.

    The next step is for congress to authorize troops to fight Turkey.

    If such resolution is put on the table, I would better respect congress concerns.

  301. Bitterlaw says:

    True or False, Tina?

    Turkey was not attacking Kurdish towns and villages like this 3 weeks ago when American troops were in place.

    The greatest Deal Maker and his great brain could have left the troops in place while trying to improve the situation.

  302. Bitterlaw says:

    I have drafted a statement for President Trump:

    “My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Elijah Cummings today. May he Rest In Peace.”

    Of course, he will say something different. Probably something g cringe worthy.

  303. BayernFan says:

    Brexit deal reached.

  304. jason says:

    The Volker thing should kill the impeachment BS.. but of course the MSM will ignore it.

    “Volker denied that was the case, noting that Ukrainian leaders did not even know the aid was being withheld, and that they believed their relationship with the United States was moving along satisfactorily, without them having done anything Trump mentioned in his notorious July 25 phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky,” The Washington Examiner reported. “When Volker repeatedly declined to agree to Schiff’s characterization of events, Schiff said, ‘Ambassador, you’re making this much more complicated than it has to be.’”

  305. jason says:

    I am sure Amoral Scumbag is just outraged at this.

    ‘Ambassador, you’re making this much more complicated than it has to be.’”

    Well he would be, but right now he is focused on orgasmgate.

  306. jason says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Jason is a full Paulbot now? Damn. I thought NYC or Tina would be the first to attain that sad status.”

    I get the megapoints, sorry.

  307. jason says:

    I am a full Paulbot despite the fact Rand Paul agrees with Trump and I disagree on Syria.

    It is testament that my greatness cannot be lessened by facts.

  308. jason says:

    I think Cummings was a full blown moron. His death does not change that. I am sure his family and friends will miss him. I sympathize with them.

  309. jason says:

    Trump will probably say God punished Cummings for trying to impeach him.

    Tina will sugarcoat it.

    Amoral Scumbag will pretend to be outraged.

    I will try to stay awake.

  310. Phil says:

    Thoughts and prayers to the congressman’s family.

    Democrats will just bring in another moonbat to chair the committee.

  311. Robbie says:

    Reid Wilson
    @PoliticsReid

    Trade rep Peter Navarro invented a fake expert to trash China in 5 of his 13 books. Ron Vara is just an anagram of Navarro –

    – And some wonder why I have so little respect for Peter Navarro.

  312. Tina says:

    Schiffty having another bad day. Sondland opening statement is here:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/430763633/10-17-19-Sondland-Opening-Statement

  313. Tina says:

    Looking at Ukraine’s interference in the 2016 election is valid.

    Mulehead should have done it.

    There is also a 2018 Ukrainian court ruling indicating that Ukraine interfered in our election.

  314. janz says:

    #322. One thing about you, Jason, is that you’re not inclined to sugarcoat your comments.

  315. janz says:

    #316. A statement has already been made by Trump regarding Cummings death. It was appropriately conciliatory, without any hint of their past battles with each other.

  316. janz says:

    It’s my understanding the only agreement made with the Kurds was a mutual effort to contain and defeat ISIS. Defending the PKK against a NATO ally, one who has our airfield and stored nukes as well, makes extending that allegiance to defending the Turkish border a risky gambit. For sure Trump could have done more preliminary work before the Turk’s incursion. But, Turkey seemed bent on going forward, no matter what, being their troops were lining the border for some time in advance of their attack.

    Also, like many “conservatives” are now saying, if defending the Kurds is more important than assuaging a NATO ally and protecting the military personnel on the ground, Congress should take the necessary steps proclaiming further military involvement, rather than slamming Trump’s decision to pull back. Unlike some on this blog, as more info rolls out, the pull back doesn’t seem as cut-and-dried wrong as the Dems and many establishment republicans make out to be. Like that raucous meeting yesterday, the more revealed, the more it appears to be a set-up by the dem leadership, in order to create another crease in their opponent’s reputation. Even, some of the words exchanged are changing, like Pelosi being called “a third grade politician” rather than a “third rate politician”. – the version coming from the Dems being more inflammatory than what was in the transcript released from that meeting.

  317. Bitterlaw says:

    Janz- I am glad that Trump listenedvto me. Now he just needs to reverse his stupid decision to withdraw those troops and we will be cool.

  318. Phil says:

    ABC released new video news footage of a 164 foot tall monster rampaging through Syria. The video looked suspiciously like film clips from the last two Godzilla remakes. ABC offered no comment other than to say “the video shows what the video shows”.

  319. Tina says:

    More gossip blowers coming:

    @DefTechPat
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    Trump’s NSA Robert C. O’Brien announces purge of several dozen professional, non-political NSC staffers. “For example, [Econ policy] will now rightly be managed by Larry Kudlow, director of the president’s National Economic Council.” ?

  320. janz says:

    Bitter, I’m glad you’re glad…….

    More misinterpretations from dem leadership following their storming out of yesterday’s meeting: “Trump called the Kurds communists!” Background: Trump was being brutally frank, but also honest, as the PKK Kurds are a mix of Marxist/Leninist in their historical behavior, having been listed earlier as “Terrorists” by a number of countries, including the UK and US. During the Obama era one of his military men, while bring interviewed in 2017, explained how the PKK’s reputation underwent a massive makeover, in order to gain more sympathy from the American public. I guess it worked!

    Finally, have any of you seen the photograph released from yesterday’s meeting? What it shows is one person standing and wagging a finger @ the president, as everyone else sat there and just stared at this person. Who was it? Hint —-> someone called “a third grade politician.” Kevin McCarthy is describing the meltdown as coming from her, and that only the dem leadership strode out of the ongoing conference, while a bipartisan group remained and were “more productive after Pelosi left.”

  321. Tina says:

    The pkk are also designated a. Terrorist group by our Gubment.

    Check the dept of state website.

    Bottom line, it’s a cesspool with too many different competing interests and not worth spilling blood in Syria or turkey.

  322. Bitterlaw says:

    I have not listened to any Dems on this issue. I have avoided the news for a few days since I am focused more on finding a job now. I have run out of things to clean. I have organized ever closet and pantry. I have baked to the point my wife accused me of trying to make her gain weight. My attempt at banana bread was disappointing since the recipe so used did not call for vanilla or sour cream like my wife’s recipe does.

  323. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This was our NATO ally’s response to Trump’s letter:

    “Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan rejected the unusual letter he received from US President Donald Trump warning him against a major military campaign in Syria, tossing it into the trash, the BBC reported Thursday.
    “President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin,” Turkish presidential sources told the broadcaster.”

    The Turkish press has an explaination for Trump’s erratic behaviour:

    ?@ragipsoylu “Turkish TV has hilarious explanation for Trump’s erratic personality “He is tweeting about all sorts of things, different things [that contradict each other]. Why? Because he is a real gemini man”

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    334. After over years, in which the Kurds served as American troops on the ground in Iraq and Syria, and probably saved hundreds if not thousands of American service members lives, we are now going to reject them because they are “communists”. Am sure the Americans who served with the Kurds would disagree with you.

    What people have to do some times to cover up a guilty conscience.

  325. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    335. “Bottom line, it’s a cesspool with too many different competing interests and not worth spilling blood in Syria or turkey.”

    We have already spilled blood there, a lot of it. And since ISIS is likely coming back as a result of Trump’s blunder, we will be spilling more blood in the United States as well.

  326. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    336. Good luck Bitter. There has got to be something out there. I was surprised to learn a lot of law firms are off-shoring to places like India to have form documents and form pleadings prepared.

  327. Tina says:

    A complete lie.

    “We have already spilled blood there, a lot of it. And since ISIS is likely coming back as a result of Trump’s blunder, we will be spilling more blood in the United States as well.”

  328. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    338. “four” years not “over” years. Spell check strikes again.

  329. Tina says:

    All speculation.

    If you are concerned, call Nancy and request that she provide a war declaration against turkey or Syria, or whomever the gop-e want to fight.

  330. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    341. So you don’t think ISIS will come back?

  331. Tina says:

    And Nancee should vote on impeachment too.

    Emerson Polling
    ?

    @EmersonPolling
    3m3 minutes ago
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    IOWA POLL: Do you support or oppose #Impeachment of @realDonaldTrump?

    48% Oppose
    42% Support
    10% Unsure

  332. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Asked about the risks, U.S. intelligence officials chose their words carefully Wednesday, not wanting to say anything publicly that appears to criticize Trump’s policies. But they did not dispute what one of the top counterterrorism officials in the government told NBC News last month — that ISIS remains a dangerous threat, and that reduction of counterterrorism pressure on the group would “set the conditions for potential reemergence in a very powerful way.”

    “They are absolutely still a viable external operational threat globally,” the official, who chose not to be identified, said.”

  333. Tina says:

    “Viable threat globally.”

    Yet, when they showed maps, they were concentrated in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Now, they are global.

  334. Wes says:

    James trails Peters 40-43 in a new poll. This is encouraging, but James needs three things—a strong Trump showing, a near perfect campaign, a weak effort by Peters—to win.

    He’ll get the second. I’m not sure about the first and third.

  335. Tina says:

    Next the war profiteers will tell us that Russia “is now” in Syria.

    Whoops, they already said that.

  336. Tina says:

    Faux news is really doing well with Paulo Ryan as a director. All they need to do is bring mayhem back. Btw, what happened to the Judge incompetenano? Why would they pass him off as a federal law expert?

    I think he may better know the nj traffic law.

    ?Fox News @HARRISFAULKNER just credited Elijah Cummings with passage of the 1964 civil rights act.

    FYI, Elijah Cummings was twelve-years-old.

    Obviously political history is not Ms. Faulkner’s forte’. However, in her defense, CNN has been saying the same thing all morning.

  337. janz says:

    SDC, what I find disconcerting about your sudden change of mind is the impatience expressed in waiting for events to unfold more fully, as there appear to be lots of conflicting stories, “facts,” opinions swirling around this anticipated incursion. For instance, the Kurds are said to have released ISIS prisoners back in 2017. They are now releasing more, by some accounts, as a threat towards the US to not pull out, even though the intent to do so was voiced long ago. The number of soldiers pulled out, if true, is relatively small in the north, while larger numbers remain to guard other assets and routes. My mind, unlike yours, is still assessing what’s going on, with knowledge that many who want to stay are either influenced politically to oppose anything Trump does or wants, or are more geared towards wanting to be actively involved in foreign adventures (Lindsey Graham comes to mind).

    As more is revealed, after the dust settles, my opinion may change to where you stand. However, for the moment I’m holding any abandonment or excoriation of Trump until that happens. In the meantime, a relevant point being made is why don’t we have more bipartisan concerns about our own borders being violated, having deaths mounting from undocumented people crossing over, with nothing more than a shrug from those who seem overwrought by what’s happening in Syria?

  338. John says:

    Tonight Trump has a rally in Dallas (American Airline Center – 20,000 seating)
    1) Should mention Elijah Cummings death
    2) Should break his 2016 attendance mark (15,000)
    3) Aim to win back this blue county
    4) Dallas, in this blue county, contributed more
    money than any other city for the 2016 Trump
    campaign
    5) Beto O’Rourke will have a competing rally in
    6,500 seat Theatre in Grand Praire – MSNBC/
    CNN will probably be there
    6) Look for Nancy Pelosi to be a big target

  339. Paul says:

    Yang says that robots will be taking over a lot of what lawyers do.

  340. Tina says:

    Look, look, look- a new shiny object for the jebots:

    Jennifer Franco
    ?
    @jennfranconews
    #BREAKING: Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney says the 46th G7 Summit will be held at Trump National Doral Miami between June 10-12.

    238
    9:42 AM – Oct 17, 2019

  341. Bitterlaw says:

    the war profiteers

    Is Tina a Bolshevik now?

  342. Tina says:

    Do I get any points Jason?

    Is Tina a Bolshevik now?

  343. jason says:

    Dang… a lot nicer than I would have been.

    “My warmest condolences to the family and many friends of Congressman Elijah Cummings. I got to see first hand the strength, passion and wisdom of this highly respected political leader. His work and voice on so many fronts will be very hard, if not impossible, to replace!”

  344. jason says:

    Tina, you have to be an A-hole to get points.

    Sorry.

    But Honorable Mention, yes.

  345. jason says:

    FYI, Elijah Cummings was twelve-years-old.”

    Hey, Greta is going to save the whole world so these things happen.

    I saved two llamas from quicksand when I was 9, so young people do incredible things.

  346. jason says:

    #322. One thing about you, Jason, is that you’re not inclined to sugarcoat your comments.”

    Bitter won’t give any points for that, sounds like a compliment.

  347. jason says:

    #322. One thing about you, Jason, is that you’re not inclined to sugarcoat your comments.”

    Not true actually.

    Someday when I run out of scrapple or bacon and feel really grumpy I will tell Amoral Scumbag what I really think about him.

  348. Bitterlaw says:

    Way too nice to earn points.

    What Jason left out of his story is that his village was so impressed by his actions that they held a celebration in his honor that night. The llamas were strangely absent but dinner was delicious.

  349. Tina says:

    Mil Andy is destroying the presstitutes.

    Jebots getting pounded.

  350. Tina says:

    Boom

    oning ?
    ?

    @sethjlevy
    3m3 minutes ago
    More
    “GIULIANI’S role is the President’s call.

    You may not like it.

    It’s not illegal.

    It’s not impeachable.”

    – @MickMulvaneyOMB

  351. Tina says:

    Remember, Guiliani was hired to investigate muh Russia.

    He did this in 2017/2018.

    Well before Biden announced in 4/19.

    Guiliani was not investigating gaffe China Biden and would not know that Biden was running.

  352. Tina says:

    Mil Andy

    No clue why it came out that way when. I typed mulvaney.

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    George Soros funded this DA’s campaign to get results like this.

    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Michael-White-Verdict-Sean-Schellenger-Rittenhouse-Stabbing-Trial-Philadelphia-563284842.html

    He dropped the murder charge and did not bother with charging involuntary manslaughter which even a Philadelphia jury could have convicted him on.

  354. Robbie says:

    Bryan Lowry
    @BryanLowry3

    Why you check FEC reports. Kobach’s campaign paid an Olathe man who regularly espouses white nationalist beliefs online and said he wanted to be part of “Kobach ethnostate defense force” kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article236355618.html… #ksleg #kssen

    – No wonder the hard right wants Kobach in the Senate.

  355. Robbie says:

    The “peace” deal forces the Kurds out of their lands, allows Turkey to consolidate their gains, removes the sanctions from Turkey, and the Turkey promises not to kill the Kurds for 120 hours.

    Such a deal.

  356. Tina says:

    Rand Paul blocks senate resolution on Syria.

    Gee, can congress provide the resolution for us being there?

    Goober is going to sheot himself.

  357. Tina says:

    Rand Paul doing great work here:

    The Hill
    ?
    @thehill
    JUST IN: Rand Paul blocks Senate vote on House resolution condemning Trump’s Syria decision http://hill.cm/evvZljL

  358. Robbie says:

    Richard Engel
    @RichardEngel

    The kurds lost their homeland in Syria which they fought for with US forces in the battle agaist Isis, losing 11 thousand of their men and women. Tonight they were sold out by Trump who says he saved millions of lives. It will be remembered by the kurds as the greatest betrayal.

    – MAGA! How are those “Trump is Reagan” takes working out these days?

  359. NYCmike says:

    #374 – Once again, Robbie overshoots the green.

    That is what anger does to you – all common sense is thrown out the window and your mind is enslaved by the need to fuel your hatred.

    Odd that Robbie would mention Reagan in regard to the Middle East. Reagan had some of his worst moments there, mainly because of the same characters still causing mayhem today. For the most part, I don’t blame Reagan for what happened there while he was President, but when he decided to leave Beirut back in 1984, I am pretty sure we let down some people who had helped us prior to that.

  360. Robbie says:

    Trey Yingst
    @TreyYingst

    Not surprising that the SDF is rejecting the ceasefire.

    This agreement achieves Turkey’s original goal of moving Kurds from the border and having them give up heavy weapons.

    The “ceasefire” solidifies the Kurds completely giving up the place they call home.

  361. Robbie says:

    NYCmike says:
    October 17, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    #374 – Once again, Robbie overshoots the green.
    That is what anger does to you – all common sense is thrown out the window and your mind is enslaved by the need to fuel your hatred.
    Odd that Robbie would mention Reagan in regard to the Middle East. Reagan had some of his worst moments there, mainly because of the same characters still causing mayhem today. For the most part, I don’t blame Reagan for what happened there while he was President, but when he decided to leave Beirut back in 1984, I am pretty sure we let down some people who had helped us prior to that

    – Hey, super Trump buffoon. Just yesterday Lindsey Graham, your new MAGA hero, said he likes that Trump talks like Reagan.

    The problem you have is you have become such a sycophantic shill for Trump you’ll defend him no matter what. You’re a male version of Mollie Hemingway.

    If Trump came out for abortions and tax hikes, you’d find a way to support them just as you did with tariffs.

  362. NYCmike says:

    #378 – Name calling isn’t a proper response to fact.

    I haven’t defended Trump. I also haven’t criticized him, mainly because the news reports have been limited, and often contradictory.

    Do you deny that Reagan withdrew American troops after the Beirut bombing?

    Do you deny that we had people in that area that had helped us, and may have been harmed after we left in 1984?

  363. NYCmike says:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/sdf-commander-trump-object-deal-syrian-gov-191016191835086.html

    -Is al jazeera to be trusted? I have no idea, but this is out there.

    “Donald Trump, the president of the United States, did not object to an agreement between Kurdish-led forces and the Syrian government to stave off Turkey’s cross-border offensive in northeast Syria, according to a senior Kurdish official.

    Mazloum Abdi, the commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), made the comment in an interview broadcast on Kurdish-language Ronahi TV on Wednesday.

    Abdi, who said he had a phone call with the US president, said Russia would guarantee the SDF’s agreement with Damascus.”

  364. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    The Kurdish commander seems to be more in control of his emotions than you are.

    He is fighting, you are in your parents basement.

  365. lisab says:

    After over **four** years, in which the Kurds served as American troops
    ————-

    turkey has been in nato since 1952

    and they helped resolve the cuban missile crisis

    where the entire country could have got nuked

  366. lisab says:

    1952

    usa: we’d like you to join nato as our ally

    turkey: what is in it for us?

    usa: we’ll help you maintain your borders if you help us against the russians

    turkey: cool

    2020
    turkey: help

    usa: ummmmmmmmmm … we were just kidding about that whole nato thing

  367. lisab says:

    Yang says that robots will be taking over a lot of what lawyers do.
    ——————-

    what do lawyers actually do?

  368. NYCmike says:

    I do not like leaving the Kurds in such a situation.

    Unfortunately, history hasn’t been kind to them. Unless we are willing to engage and lose American lives, they will have to fend mainly for themselves.

  369. lisab says:

    The kurds lost their homeland in Syria which they fought for with US forces in the battle agaist Isis,
    ———————-

    neither the un nor the usa for that matter has agreed to take land from syria and turkey (and iran)

    and give it to the kurds

    certainly turkey, syria, and iran have not agreed to this

  370. lisab says:

    for the record

    i was (and am) in favor of the kurds having an independent kurdistan in iraq

    but that was not what the un or the usa under bush and obama agreed to … it is only autonomous not independent

  371. Bitterlaw says:

    The idea that Tina would consider and possibly support a war resolution is about as genuine as Robbie claiming he would actually vote for a Republican for President in 2020 if Trump did not run.

  372. NYCmike says:

    Every time I look at a map of that region………YIKES!………..it’s like a jigsaw puzzle, but within each piece it should be carved up 2-3 more times

  373. lisab says:

    The idea that Tina would consider and possibly support a war resolution is about as genuine as Robbie claiming he would actually vote for a Republican for President in 2020 if Trump did not run.
    ———————

    how do you know

    the usa has not tried it

  374. Tina says:

    At least Bl recognizes the omission of a critical war resolution.

    And congress has failed to even take up the issue.

  375. Tina says:

    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    BREAKING: SDF Commander-in-Chief Mazlum Abdu announces on public TV that the SDF is ‘ready to adhere to the ceasefire.’ – @K24English

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    1:01 PM – Oct 17, 2019

  376. Bitterlaw says:

    If it is so critical, Tina, why were you not demanding a resolution to allow the troops to be stationed there 3 weeks ago? Oh. Because Trump wanted them there 3 weeks ago. Never mind.

  377. Tina says:

    Nope, you changed the equation.

    You also support the house resolution, which never authorized support for the action to begin with.

  378. Bitterlaw says:

    Romney changes his view from 2007 and Tina calls him a stooge.

    Trump changes his view from 3 weeks ago and Tina applauds.

    I love this place.

    Despite our differences, I hope Tina’s recovery is proceeding well. Of course, her recent surgery may explain why she barely has a leg to stand on while making her arguments.

    Zing!

  379. Tina says:

    Romney changes his issues every other day.

    He is a fraud.

  380. Bitterlaw says:

    If I was a member of the House, I would have voted no on the Resolution condemning Trump. I would then have driven to the White House and requested to tell Trump he F’ed up in person. I don’t support many House resolutions because most are pointless excuses to grandstand with no real power.

  381. Tina says:

    And trump did not change his mind.

    He campaigned on this in 2015/2016.

    Was against Iraq (2003)

    He mentioned doing this in 2017.

    Again mentioned it and in conjunction with a national security plan referenced it in early 2018.

    But I know, he rushed this.

  382. Tina says:

    Bl, re your 398, I have no quarrel with you.

  383. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump is consistent on anything? Ask the Kurds.

  384. Tina says:

    I also made reference to this yesterday.

    I do not like the wannabe head of the Ottoman Empire.

    He is going against syria (Assad); the muh Russians; and the Kurds. We also have remnants there and could blast turkey away (then the jebots will beotch about turkey being a nato ally).

    Maybe he realizes that he is on a suicide mission?

  385. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – We just disagree. Often. You are still my favorite (retired) federal employee.

  386. Tina says:

    Well if the Kurds thought we would be there body guard and grant them a state and protection that was never suggested by the obumbler or trump administration admins.

    But the obumbler did get 500000 Syrians killed.

  387. Tina says:

    Bl, I just hope that there is a lasting peace there, however, they define it to be.

    Judging by history, it is not likely.

    It is fair that we disagree.

  388. NYCmike says:

    “I don’t support many House resolutions because most are pointless excuses to grandstand with no real power.”

    -Words straight out of Rand Paul’s mouth!

  389. Tina says:

    Goober is very limited in his capacity.

    War

    More War

    And open borders.

    Paul Sperry
    ?

    @paulsperry_
    14m14 minutes ago
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    The Senate could be subpoenaing Kerry, Nuland, Pyatt, Kavalec, Chalupa & Sullivan & holding hearings on Ukrainian interference in 2016 election as parallel investigation to House impeachment witch hunt. But no. They are playing defense, as usual, cowed by Dems & the Beltway media
    41 replies 361 retweets 670 likes

  390. Tina says:

    Sdc should comment on the new wall since he lives there.

  391. NYCmike says:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/how-evil-is-the-left-this-evil.php

    -If Trump loses to the Democrat next year, this is what “CG” and Robbie think is the lesser of 2 evils.