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Biden Leads Dems in NH By 4%

It has been almost two months since there has been a poll in the state of New Hampshire that showed Joe Biden leading the Democratic field, but he finally got one this morning from Quinnipiac University.

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – DEM PRIMARY (Quinnipiac)
Joe Biden 20%
Elizabeth Warren 16%
Pete Buttigieg 15%
Bernie Sanders 14%
Tulsi Gabbard 6%
Andrew Yang 4%
Amy Klobuchar 3%
Andrew Steyer 3%
Everyone Else 1% or less

This poll was done November 6-10 among 1134 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:33 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (155)

155 Responses to “Biden Leads Dems in NH By 4%”

  1. Chicon says:

    Where is everyone?

  2. jason says:

    Phil says:
    November 11, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    Roberts is no Souter.

    Uh, we’ll see.”

    Huh, no, we have already seen.

    Roberts is a conservative who votes that way most of the time. Souter was a reliably liberal vote.

    You can disagree with some of Robert’s decisions, he is not as conservative as Alito or Thomas, but he is no liberal, in the vast majority of cases he sides with the conservative majority.

    He can vote for DACA and still be a conservative. A lot of conservatives, myself included, favor a bipartisan immigration agreement that would legalize most of the Dreamers.

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    Sean Spicer is out on Dancing with the Stars. Maybe the Deep State took him down.

  4. lisab says:

    Transracial Couple Believes Their Baby Will Be Born Black

    The White couple believe they will have a “milk chocolate” baby.

    Matrina Big and Michael Eurwen, a White German couple who receive melanin injections and identify as Black, appeared on the British television show This Morning to speak about being transracial, changing their skin color and starting a family.

  5. lisab says:

    Trump Is Confused About Social Media. He’s Not Alone.

    The First Amendment doesn’t say you can tweet whatever you want

  6. janz says:

    I favor the dreamers being legitimized by a legislative process rather than an EO that can be disputed by another administrative act. IMO, If a Trump wins in the Supreme Court, he will make a deal on immigration reform which will include the Dreamers having eventual citizenship.

  7. janz says:

    Bitter, have you secured a job yet?

  8. lisab says:

    UVA stops Veterans Day 21 gun salute due to it potentially triggering fragile people.

  9. lisab says:

    Bernie Sanders calls gun buybacks ‘unconstitutional’ at rally: It’s ‘essentially confiscation’

  10. Tina says:

    The problem is that it was unconstitutionally created by the obumbler,

    When trump tried to reverse it, the leftist judge said he could not undue it.

    Kavanaugh and Souter 2.0 are wildcards. Souter had 2 bad decisions (obumblercare and the census), showing. His true colors.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From last thread:

    https://lithub.com/on-harriet-tubmans-final-escape-mission/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    -I am excited to see the movie coming out about Harriet Tubman. I do not know who directed it but I hope it won’t be some liberal propaganda.

    Also, as shown several times on Instapundit, I do like the new $20 bill idea, the one where she is holding a firearm. The one they show with just her face, in my opinion, is not representative enough about the struggles she overcame.

    Agree. One of my ancestors was a minister from a small town in New Hampshire, who was involved with Tubman in the Underground Railroad, as it entered Canada. Wonder if he will be mentioned in the movie? Agree on the $20 bill image picturing her with a firearm.

  12. jason says:

    Souter had 2 bad decisions (obumblercare and the census), showing. His true colors”

    zzzzzzzzz… 2 bad decisions?

    The 100% litmus test is alive and well!!

    I didn’t agree with either one. But Roberts has ruled on the conservative side on hundreds of decisions.

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    Job update – On Friday afternoon I interviewed for a job. On Friday night, one of my friends sent me a text from a bar to say a lawyer we know at a different firm is looking for an attorney. I emailed the lawyer Saturday morning. We were supposed to meet for an interview yesterday but his cat got out so he and his family had to look for him. I was interviewed by phone. Tonight, he offered me a job making a little more than my last job and wants me to start Wednesday. I told him I was going to accept it but he told me to take tonight to think it over and let him know formally in the morning. I will accept it.

    Thank you to everybody who offered words of encouragement. I also want to thank lisab for reminding me that I can be suicidal over many things other than work and she will continue to mock me.

  14. Tina says:

    Well done, Bl. Good luck.

  15. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You know that HHR is all or nothing. Roberts is now a flaming liberal despite siding with the conservatives in almost all cases.

  16. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Tina. How is your foot? Ditch those California docs and come to Philadelphia. I know several orthopedic surgeons who will fix you.

  17. lisab says:

    I also want to thank lisab for reminding me that I can be suicidal over many things other than work and she will continue to mock me.
    ———————————

    awwwww … anytime … congrats

  18. lisab says:

    new warren 2020 slogan

    if you like your baby, you can keep your baby

  19. Tina says:

    Ruh roh.

    Dan Bishop
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    3h3 hours ago
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    Dan Bishop Retweeted Cecelia
    100%. I refuse to cower before the authoritarian intimidation campaign.

    He’s not Voldemort. And he’s not a bona fide whistleblower. Even if he were, he wouldn’t be entitled to secrecy.

    Eric Ciamarella is a deep state conspirator. He needs to testify now.

  20. Tina says:

    Ciamarella chaired a meeting with ukranian officers the same day China Biden had the prosecutor investigstion his son fir3d.

    There are reports that Ciamarella is mentioned in the Upcoming Ig report.

  21. janz says:

    Congratulations Bitter! I hope the new job is satisfying for you.

  22. lisab says:

    Meghan McCain: Nikki Haley Is Making a ‘Play’ to Replace Pence as Vice President

  23. Tina says:

    Bl still recovering. Thanks for asking.

  24. janz says:

    Tina, I find it beyond reason as to why the “whistle blower” is being wrapped up in so much insulated secrecy. The press, in particular, seem to be programmed robots in keeping his name from being uttered, when everyone seems to know who he is. When Mollie Hemingway identified him, when on a panel this weekend, everyone around her seemed shocked! It was almost laughable to see their reaction.

  25. jason says:

    hank you to everybody who offered words of encouragement.”

    Thanks is nice.

    A case of Chilean Cabernet is nicer.

  26. lisab says:

    Professor Assaults Woman at Veteran’s Day Flag Wave Rally in Portland, Then Bites Breast of Female MMA Champ Who Pins Her Down

  27. Phil says:

    Good news indeed, bitter. Congrats, buddy.

  28. jason says:

    Meghan McCain: Nikki Haley Is Making a ‘Play’ to Replace Pence as Vice President”

    She is certainly making the rounds on conservative talk shows but I think she wants to sell her book.

  29. Tina says:

    Mayhem McCain can cry herself with the other hens on the view.

  30. Bitterlaw says:

    Seahawks and Niners headed to OT after Niners come back from 21-10 hole in 4th Quarter.

  31. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    13. Congrats Bitter. For you to find a job so quickly indicates you must have a pretty good reputation as an attorney.

  32. jason says:

    Heck of a game SF vs Seattle

  33. jason says:

    I think they were mostly impressed with his two terms as Governor at HHR.

  34. jason says:

    Unbeaten teams irritate me.

  35. jason says:

    You know what they say, behind every successful governor there is a great Lt. Governor.

  36. jason says:

    Speaking of Governors, where is that sock puppet Mr. Vito.

  37. NYCmike says:

    “Speaking of Governors, where is that sock puppet Mr. Vito.”

    -On the run.

    Mr. Vito always had lots of ladies chasing him….they said he was well strung!

  38. NYCmike says:

    Before he married, he tried his hand at one-night stands with those frisky (hand puppet) ladies…..but he found there were always strings attached.

  39. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    New Hampshire @QuinnipiacPoll
    % Of supporters who say their mind is made up Vs Might change:

    Sanders 57/41
    Biden 43/56
    Warren 29/70
    Buttigieg 24/73

    Things are still pretty fluid. It appears Warren’s poll numbers are beginning to decline.

  40. Bitterlaw says:

    SDC – Thank you. I interview well. It’s only when they get to know me that things fall apart.

  41. jason says:

    Try to make a good impression on your first day Bitter, you can go back to being an A-hole on Thursday.

  42. jason says:

    “Mr. Vito always had lots of ladies chasing him….they said he was well strung!”

    Yeah, he could spin a good yarn, but then things would start to unravel.

  43. Bitterlaw says:

    The Bitterlaw/Jason Administration was the golden age of HHR. Mr. Vito was an empty suit…sock.

  44. jason says:

    Brit deadenders smarter than US deadenders?

    NYC hardest hit.

    “Nigel Farage Won’t Fight Tories in Election Boost for Boris Johnson”

  45. jason says:

    “The Bitterlaw/Jason Administration was the golden age of HHR”

    The fact people are still talking about it is testament to our enduring legacy.

  46. jason says:

    I was looking deep into the annals.

    During our administration, the average troll IQ was 87, 14 points higher than now.

    We promised, we delivered.

  47. jason says:

    Messy to point out in 3, 2, 1 that if you exclude her then the average was only 5 points higher.

    I won’t argue.

  48. jason says:

    Drudge is going full Paubot, and criticizing Fox News for pointing it out.

    Now giving Ron Paul headline on the economy.

  49. jason says:

    Alan Dershowitz, a liberal Democrat:

    “Legal expert Alan Dershowitz commented on the “scary” impeachment inquiry being led by House Democrats against President Trump Sunday morning in an interview with John Catsimatidis on the “Cats Roundtable” radio show on 970 AM in New York City.

    Dershowitz said the effort to get Trump on any crime reminded him of Stalin’s secret police chief Lavrentiy Beria who famously said: “Show me the man, and I’ll find you the crime.”

    “Whether you’re from New York or the middle of the country, you should be frightened by efforts to try to create crimes out of nothing,” Dershowitz said. “The latest twist was people on television, particularly CNN and MSNBC, are saying that if the president or somebody else were to name the whistleblower in the Ukrainian situation that person would be guilty of a crime.”

    “Well, I spent the afternoon yesterday searching the federal criminal statutes from beginning to end. I couldn’t find the crime.”

    “First they made up collusion… I searched the statute books. There’s no crime of collusion… with a foreign country. After that, they said obstruction of Congress,” Dershowitz said. “In a desperate effort to try to find crimes [committed by] President Trump, they’re just making it up. And that means we are all in danger.”

  50. jason says:

    So we have Amoral Scumbag, Corey, Paul, Proud Obamacommunist, and Messy all in favor of the Stalinist tactics.

    As they say, politics makes strange bedfellows.

  51. jason says:

    I have been disappointed before, but FWIW:

    “Sources have told investigative journalist Sara Carter that the DOJ Inspector General’s report on FISA abuse will be released before Thanksgiving. We’ve been down this road before – repeatedly – so we’ll take this latest report with a large grain of salt.

    Anyway, Carter’s sources say the report will be damning and is “alleged to contain several criminal referrals on former FBI officials. The report will apparently have at least two criminal referrals, said two sources, with knowledge. One of those criminal referrals is expected to be [former FBI Director James] Comey. However, the Inspector General’s office has not been providing comments on the report”

  52. jason says:

    owever, the Inspector General’s office has not been providing comments on the report”

    They are not divulging who they might be referring for criminal prosecution in advance of the report?

    Shocking.

  53. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, congrats on the breakthrough in your job search. The best way to prepare is to watch old Seinfeld episodes for motivation .

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, DB. I am anxious but it will be a good opportunity.

  55. jason says:

    I am worried now.

    Deval Patrick thinking of launching candidacy.

    The only person that would worry me more is Eric Holder.

  56. jason says:

    I have to give Obama credit that he has not interjected himself into the impeachment debate and has actually kept a relatively low profile.

    I didn’t think he had it in him to resist pretending he is still relevant.

  57. Chicon says:

    Jason, maybe BHO is keeping quiet because of he is concerned that some of the Russia investigation shenanigans will end up near his door?

  58. Phil says:

    The left floats idea of Senate removal trial of Trump in closed session with vote being by secret ballot.

    No, I’m not kidding. Just read the article. Could be conceivably done if four or more Republicans voted with all Democrats to make that the rule of the proceeding.

    Of course the idea here is that somehow there are twenty or so Republican Senators who hate Trump and would vote to convict if only they could be protected from the wrath of their constituents by wrapping themselves in anonymity. That’s always been complete Never Trumper BS plus the vote to make everything secret would be public and we’d know which Republicans voted for that abomination of a rule.

    No, it won’t happen but the fact that liberals are wetting themselves over the idea speaks volumes. As the song says, Back to the USSR. this whole thing is such a croc.

  59. VictrC says:

    Bitter… congratulations!!! That’s awesome that you not only got a new job, but making more $$$. As others have pointed out it is a testament to your quality of work. Kudos!

    Dershowitz use of the quote, “show me the man and I will show you the crime” is the most accurate depiction of what has been happening for three years that I have seen.

  60. janz says:

    #57, I think you made a valid point as to why Obama has stayed out of the Russian/Ukraine fray, especially in light of Clapper insinuating (twice) the WH tasked people in operations now under investigation by the DOJ.

  61. janz says:

    Victor, that infamous quote came from Stalin’s secret police. This appears to be the road we are contemplating going down – or so it seems. Discouraging and frightening…..

  62. John says:

    #58
    I believe the idea came from a Republican advisor (Juleanna Glover) that worked for Bush #43 and McCain. Sounds like a ‘never-Trumper’ that gone off the deep end to me.

  63. John says:

    According to this article the expecting IG report will contain two criminal referrals with one being James Comey.

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/11/12/ig-report-expected-thanksgiving-will-contain-least-two-criminal-referrals-one-expected-comey/

  64. Chicon says:

    63, so we keep hearing….

  65. Phil says:

    John, you are correct. The proposal did indeed come from Juleanna Glover, Never Trumper.

    “Sounds like a never-Trumper that has gone off the deep end”

    Name me one Never Trumper that hasn’t gone off the deep end.

  66. Chicon says:

    Phil, this is a technicality, but wasn’t Robbie already off the deep end?

  67. janz says:

    I haven’t heard anything about Sanford since he announced his presidential run. Wow, and now he has suspended it. I guess there was no middle in between the beginning and the end!

  68. NYCmike says:

    “Jason, maybe BHO is keeping quiet because of he is concerned that some of the Russia investigation shenanigans will end up near his door?”

    -Not sure if I would want “Saint” Obama get dirty in this. It is much better to put those closest to him away, and make him stay silent…..that will really irk him.

    If Obama does get implicated, it must be by someone like Holder or Loretta Lynch….which I highly doubt would happen.

  69. NYCmike says:

    Also, congrats to Bitterlaw, on the job and the additional Benjamin$$$$!

    In the house!

  70. jason says:

    Is Corey’s candidate Joe Walsh polling 1% yet?

    Basically, Corey’s argument for Walsh is “racism and bigotry are ok if you kind of apologize for it the day you announce your run for President”.

  71. Tina says:

    I am upset.

    First the skateboarder quits and now Appalachian Trail ends his campaign,

  72. Tina says:

    At least the Appalachian trail indicated he would vote for trump.

    The N worder will not.

    Maybe time for the socialist son to get off the cruise ship and challenge?

  73. jason says:

    I saw an interview with him, where he basically admitted he was voting for Trump. I think it was Chris Todd who was trying to get him to say he would vote for a Dem, but Sanford kept saying “I will vote for the person whose ideas are closest to mine”

  74. jason says:

    I hear they played “Don’t cry for me Argentina” as he made his exit speech.

  75. Tgca says:

    Setenta y Siete!

  76. mnw says:

    BL

    Congratulations. Good news.

  77. NYCmike says:

    “The N worder will not.”

    -Who dat?

  78. NYCmike says:

    https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2019/11/student-petition-opposes-former-republican-senator-scott-browns-selection-as-new-england-law-schools.html

    -““Ambassador Brown cannot serve as the Dean of New England Law Boston when his political and moral beliefs are so repugnant to those of the student body and the legal institution itself,” the petition said. …”

    More for “CG” and Robbie, and the rest of the #NeverTrumpers……..Scott Brown, like Trump, is considered “repugnant” in his political AND MORAL BELIEFS by those on the left……they probably would look at you the same way.

  79. NYCmike says:

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13967

    -“Bosom Buddies” sitcom goes legit!

  80. NYCmike says:

    Posted earlier, but worth posting again……what would “CG”‘s grandmother think about such state coercion?:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/dershowitz_house_democrats_acting_like_stalin_on_impeachment_show_me_the_man_and_ill_find_you_the_crime.html

    “”Whether you’re from New York or the middle of the country, you should be frightened by efforts to try to create crimes out of nothing,” Dershowitz said. “The latest twist was people on television, particularly CNN and MSNBC, are saying that if the president or somebody else were to name the whistleblower in the Ukrainian situation that person would be guilty of a crime.”

    “Well, I spent the afternoon yesterday searching the federal criminal statutes from beginning to end. I couldn’t find the crime.”

    “First they made up collusion… I searched the statute books. There’s no crime of collusion… with a foreign country. After that, they said obstruction of Congress,” Dershowitz said. “In a desperate effort to try to find crimes [committed by] President Trump, they’re just making it up. And that means we are all in danger.””

  81. NYCmike says:

    Dershowitz: “Dershowitz said the effort to get Trump on any crime reminded him of Stalin’s secret police chief Lavrentiy Beria who famously said: “Show me the man, and I’ll find you the crime.””

    Robbie: Excuse me Professor, we are not speaking about a “man”. We are speaking about Trump, a Republican in power…..different rules apply…..

  82. Big Joe says:

    The Iowa Q poll from last week (https://poll.qu.edu/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=3647)

    Warren: 20
    Mayor Pete: 19
    Bernie: 17
    Biden: 15

    Caucus rules state that candidates who get less than 15% are not viable and their supporters have to transfer their support to a viable candidate. This is key and Q offers a nice metric buried almost at the end of their internals.

    Who is the choice of the non-viable candidates? It’s Mayor Pete at 22%, then Bernie at 21%, followed by Biden at 12%, and then Warren 6%.

    This suggests that Warren is nearing her peak while Mayor Pete and possibly Bernie can surpass her once non-viables are removed.

    Mayor Pete would win Iowa in this scenario with real battle for 2nd place.

    But this is just a snapshot and it’s just one poll.

    I just found this interesting.

    Big Joe

  83. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/hillary-clinton-warns-the-uk-she-is-concerned-about-its-future-because-of-brexit/

    -“CG” and Robbie believe she is the lesser of 2 evils when compared to Trump.

    Yikes!

  84. CG says:

    85. Why are you such a snowflake when it comes to disagreement?

    Maybe it’s due to your sense of entitlement for never having to actually look for a job or worry about maintaining one.

  85. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If Buttigieg comes out on top in Iowa, and Biden fails to get 15%, could see a stampeded of “moderate” Democrats from Biden to Buttigieg. There is a stark contrast between a 37 year older running against oldster socialists. The problem is that Buttigieg does not have much support among African-Americans, who will likely stay with Biden. But I could see the decrepit socialist dinosaurs continuing to lose support.

  86. CG says:

    Decrepit Socialist Dinosaurs were a bit hit at Lollapalooza.

  87. Phil says:

    Yeah, Buttigieg almost nonexistent support among blacks is the obstacle that stands firmly in his way. Kills him in the southern states where the black percentage of Democratic primary voters is very large.

  88. jason says:

    I am sure the Dems will want to get to the bottom of this.

    “Fox News’ Gregg Re has just reported that a second whistleblower, possibly a real one this time, filed a complaint last week with the Intelligence Community Inspector General about the original whistleblower, alleged to be Eric Ciaramella. Re wrote that Ciaramella “may have violated federal law by indirectly soliciting more than a quarter-million dollars from mostly anonymous sources via a GoFundMe page.” So far, 6,000 donors have contributed a total of $227,000.”

  89. jason says:

    What is amazing is that SCOTUS is actually having to consider whether Trump can revoke an executive order by Obama.

  90. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    87, #NEW Iowa @MonmouthPoll , (Change since August):
    Buttigieg 22% (+14)
    Biden 19% (-7)
    Warren 18% (-2)
    Sanders 13% (+5)
    Klobuchar 5% (+2)
    Harris 3% (-9)
    Steyer 3% (-)
    Yang 3% (+2)
    Booker 2% (+1)
    Gabbard 2% (+1)
    Bullock 1% (-)
    Castro 1% (+1)

    Looks like Buttigieg is gaining in Iowa

  91. Cash Cow TM says:

    “IG Report Expected Before Thanksgiving, Will Contain ‘At Least Two Criminal Referrals,’ One of Whom is ‘Expected to be Comey’ ”

    RedState

  92. Tina says:

    Yes, let him get blown up,again. He had no first hand knowledge either.

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    · 1h
    2) Dem tactics in the hearing:

    Democrats tell Fox that Taylor had “the best view of the scheme. He is a habitual note-taker. He is your worst nightmare. Very prepared.”

  93. Cash Cow TM says:

    Sean Spicer sucked on Dancing With The Stars.
    ********************************************

    I have seen a drunk, 3-legged cow with polio dance better.

  94. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Warren’s problem is not that she comes across as a patronizing scold; her problem is she is a patronizing scold.

  95. NYCmike says:

    “Maybe it’s due to your sense of entitlement for never having to actually look for a job or worry about maintaining one.”

    -LOL!

    You get paid by someone else, and have no responsibility to anyone else. To me, that is a dreamland. I am very confident that I would be able to get a job somewhere else rather quickly.

    My company, the bank get first dibs on the ca$h in the bank, or they take the property, and my grandfather made it a point to teach us “make sure you pay the workers before you pay yourself.”, so there isn’t much time for being “entitled”.

    Also, odd that you go back to this mode of perceived criticism of me, but we just sat down and looked at the companies we do work for now, and the companies we did work for 5 and 10 years ago. There is about a 90% turnover rate from 10 years ago, which was a YUGE surprise! BUT, through sheer perseverance, good luck, and a steady workforce that is very dependable, our revenues are up, our employees and ours pay is up, and the $$afety net in the bank is larger now than ever before, even while spending a lot of money on capital improvements on our property.

    So, if by “entitlement” you mean responsibility, then I agree with your statement.

    I have no idea what any of this has to do with your desire to see a hard leftist/socialist become President once again, but you millennial snowflakes are an odd bunch.

    Now, go apologize to your grandmother for being such a tool of the state, and a vocal opponent of more freedom and liberty.

  96. jason says:

    Dang, NYC tore Corey a new a-hole.

    I didn’t think he had it in him.

  97. Tina says:

    The Sc should have ruled from the bench. But bye Daca.

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    8:34 AM – 12 Nov 2019

  98. CG says:

    We both know your mother refuses to let your brothers get rid of you and they have asked.

  99. NYCmike says:

    “We both know your mother refuses to let your brothers get rid of you and they have asked.”

    -Heh.

    Is that why my middle name is JEB?

  100. Tina says:

    Damn, somebody needs to call 9-11.

    The Clinton Groupie got murdered.

  101. CG says:

    Fredo Jeb Snowflake? Perhaps.

  102. NYCmike says:

    “The Clinton Groupie got murdered.”

    -Yikes, that’s harsh, Tina.

    You will make me into a snowflake you keep that up.

  103. CG says:

    None of these people even respect you NYC or think you are intelligent. I have given you far more of the benefit of the doubt than they have. They just dislike me and I am actually fine with that.

    You are just such a whiner though. You cannot stand behind your own supposed convictions on various matters, but have to always whine that “Robbie and CG don’t agree with me…” Wah Wah.

  104. NYCmike says:

    Fredo is a great character. That actor, John Cazale, was also with Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon.

  105. NYCmike says:

    “None of these people even respect you NYC or think you are intelligent. I have given you far more of the benefit of the doubt than they have. They just dislike me and I am actually fine with that.”

    -There is a lot packed in this one statement……your psychiatrist must play a lot of golf.

  106. Victrc says:

    Ok…so lets say that Buttigieg is the nominee. He ends up being the “moderate” choice over Sanders and Warren. What does that mean for the general.

    Many of us underestimated Obama and thought he was a young lightweight…then he won. He won because people believed his oration and because America wanted to see the barrier broken. What about Buttigieg. He’s not very moderate.

    He’s pro Green New Deal. He’s got an extreme climate change position. anti-Israel. anti 2nd Amendment (gun buybacks, etc). Raise taxes. Government funded higher eduction but “rich kids should pay more” (actual quote). Chastises Christians who don’t support his lifestyle. Problem with African Americans. Etc.

    So…what do we think. Would he truly challenge Trump in MI, WI and PA, or does he bring in to play traditional large Hispanic voting population states like NM, NV, CO?

  107. NYCmike says:

    Heh, stick with that whining angle. That works./s

    You are the one who consistently claims to be a “conservative Republican”, yet would gladly not participate to make sure the candidate closest to those ideals/principles of Reagan/Bush/Ford/Nixon is re-elected, and would be happy to see a radical leftist defeat that candidate in the coming election.

    No whining at all. Statement of facts.

  108. CG says:

    I will gladly vote against Donald Trump. Absolutely. In Cook County, I may even be able to do so twice.

    The Bushes did not vote for him either. Neither would Reagan or Ford if they were alive. Nixon, who knows? He did good things but had his own personal demons.

  109. NYCmike says:

    Victrc,

    Interesting choice of states.

    Johnson go over 9% in New Mexico last time. Would Libertarians be more inclined to vote for Trump?

    The one complaint I have heard recently from libertarians is Trump getting involved in the vaping issue.

  110. NYCmike says:

    “The Bushes did not vote for him either.”

    -You do their bidding, like in a cult. Got it.

    “Neither would Reagan or Ford if they were alive.” – no factual evidence to back this up, as usual.

    “Nixon, who knows? He did good things but had his own personal demons.” – Nixon would be amazed at how transparent Trump is when it comes to his actions as President.

  111. Tina says:

    The 2 coup plotters cannot keep their story straight.

    Lc cabbage patch and Felonia 4 Hillary said that Bolton blew up,a meeting. In July, Bolton said otherwise in his tweet, looking quite hapoy in a pictur.

    Ivan Pentchoukov
    @IvanPentchoukov
    3h
    Replying to @IvanPentchoukov
    And here’s John Bolton tweeting that he had a “great discussion” at the WH on July 10, shortly after he allegedly stormed out of the said discussion. twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/…
    View

  112. NYCmike says:

    GHWB votes for Hillary – one more reason why he lost to Bill Clinton in 1992 – he didn’t learn a dang thing from that defeat.

  113. Victrc says:

    NYC

    I brought up those states because of their high voting populations that are hispanic. I don’t think Buttigieg being gay is going to affect his vote totals very much in most parts of the country as most have moved past that, as long as he doesn’t keep attacking Christians for not accepting his lifestyle, but, within the Latino community it might cost him some votes, and I suspect in the AA community as well (more likely to depress turnout than move to vote for Trump).

  114. CG says:

    Wasn’t one of the reasons that GHWB lost in 1992 is that you or people like you voted for Perot?

    (At last discussion, you could not “remember” if you actually voted for Perot or not)

  115. Victrc says:

    Reagan would NEVER vote for a socialist democrat and would never want one to be President. He would roll over in his grave if he saw how far left looney Liberals have become. Ford was a good party man and would have most likely voted for Trump.

  116. Tina says:

    Don’t trust felonia 4 Hillary. She is lying since it’s 3 stating otherwise. A big reason why Soviet Schiffty won’t call Bolton.

    Ivan Pentchoukov
    @IvanPentchoukov
    ·
    3h
    There are two versions of the July 10 WH meeting.

    Fiona Hill told lawmakers the meeting was abruptly ended by Bolton and that she had a tiff with Sondland after.

    Volker and Sondland told lawmakers (and Rick Perry told WSJ) that nothing of the sort happened.

  117. NYCmike says:

    “I will gladly vote against Donald Trump.”

    -I’ll have to check on those coffee mugs. Demand is way down.

    The new model for 2020 makes you pay every time you use the cup, as ownership will become a thing of the past……..”CG” ignores that because Trump is “mean”.

  118. Tina says:

    I despise Buttplug, He seems so angry all the time.

    I

  119. Cash Cow TM says:

    ‘…why the “whistle blower” is being wrapped up in so much insulated secrecy.”

    Eric C. is the Bubble Boy.

  120. Tina says:

    “ I will gladly vote against Donald Trump”

    Was this statement made while on board of a cruise ship or basement?

  121. Cash Cow TM says:

    Bitter,

    Glad to hear the good news on your job search.

  122. Tina says:

    The Moaning Transgender is upset with Nikki Haley.

    Follow Follow @MSNBC
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    .@JoeNBC: “We’ve always believed that Nikki Haley actually had a chance to be something significant. She’s chosen instead to lie for Donald Trump.”

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It has been 10 years since James Delingpole exposed the questionable actions of climate change zealots in what became know as “Climategate.”

    “Climategate mattered because it offered the first solid proof that the scientific establishment wasn’t being altogether honest about man-made global warming. Up until that point, one or two of us had had our suspicions. But this was the breakthrough; the moment when the alarmists were caught red-handed with egg over their face and their trousers down. Someone – to this day, anonymous – had dumped onto the internet a huge cache of documents and correspondence retrieved from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at Britain’s University of East Anglia – one of the world’s main gatekeepers of climate science research. Finally, we could discover what the scientists most assiduously promoting the climate change scare narrative were saying to one another behind closed doors.
    Many of them were lead authors on the Assessment Reports produced periodically by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. These were the ‘experts’ on whose word governments were invited to take the radical action apparently necessary to remedy one of the greatest problems the world had ever seen take place: ‘global warming’, as it was known in the early days.
    What the emails suggested was that in private these scientists weren’t nearly so confident about the scale and nature of the threat as they made out in public. Some doubted the reliability of their methodology, such as the various palaeoclimatological proxies (tree rings, etc.) used to estimate temperatures in the distant past. Others worried about the failure of real world temperatures to soar in quite the way their computer models had predicted.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/my-finest-hour/

  124. CG says:

    “He seems so angry all the time.”

    Irony.

    In more ways than one.

  125. NYCmike says:

    #115 – Victrc,

    Ok, I was just throwing out the Libertarian angle as well, as Trump has for the most part avoided opening up new avenues for federal control.

  126. Tina says:

    Comedy’s charges could be

    Lying to Congress

    Entrapment and 6th amendment violation (he admitted to setting up the Flynn meeting).

    Lying to fisa

  127. Tina says:

    But you got to wonder who dished on whom? Somebody ratted in somebody.

    Comedy? Mccrap? The mistress? Or psycho Pete the cheat?

  128. Victrc says:

    NYC

    I have a hard time seeing the 9% of Johnson voters going to the Dem candidate come next Nov in NM. I know that the Paulbots are down on him now, so who knows, maybe they will swing towards the socialist, but true Libertarians would loathe to vote for the kind of govt control any of the Dem nominees will implement, which could make NM in play if a Warren, sanders or Buttigieg are the nominee .

  129. Tina says:

    If investigating gossip blower.

    There should be multiple investigations into gossip blower.

    The Fib should raid his home.

  130. Tina says:

    Gossipblower is clearly violating this:

    The Office of Government Ethics (OGE) warned federal government employees in February that they “may not accept any gift given because of the employee’s official position,” meaning that the gift would “not have been given had the employee not held the status, authority, or duties associated with the employee’s federal position.”

    If gossipblower is Cia, he is also getting foreign contributions.

  131. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “GHWB votes for Hillary.”

    So one of the worst president’s in modern American history was attempting to pass his epithet to a successor.

    One benefit of Trump’s victory is that it hopefully ended the possibility of a Bush or Clinton family member ever being elected president again.

  132. jason says:

    I bet Reagan would have voted for Trump.

    One of the biggest canards against Reagan was that he wasn’t a pragmatist.

    Reagan would be the first to recognize what will happen if Dems succeed in flipping SCOTUS.

    He would be the first to recognize what would happen if we have open borders.

    He would be the first to know what would happen to the economy if we spent trillions down the climate change rathole.

    He would be the first to know what would happen if Dems were allowed to socialize large sections of the economy and legislate capitalism out of existence.

    Reagan would not be an admirer of Trump’s style, but he would vote for him on substance.

  133. Bitterlaw says:

    Buttigieg would win PA. He is young and would be very successful in the suburbs. It has nothing to do with issues. Trump got just about every voter he could in PA (except Jason and his family) in 2016 and still squeaked by with about 60,000 votes to spare. I think Buttigieg will own the counties where most people by bigger margins than Hillary..

    For an opposing viewpoint, here is Jason…

  134. jason says:

    Mayor Butt would not do better than Hillary did in the suburbs, and might even do worse (lower turnout) in Philly Co.

    I don’t think he could carry PA. The only one that I think could carry PA is Biden.

  135. VictrC says:

    I also forgot Buttigieg is for open borders, higher taxes, eliminating the electoral college and packing the Supreme Court and district courts to overcome trumps nominees.

    Pretty sad that Pa would vote for that.

  136. jason says:

    The math will always come down to this.

    Who voted for Trump in 2016 who will not vote for him in 2020? I have yet to meet such a person in PA.

    Unless a lot of them died off and the new voters are Dems, which is possible. The margin was close, so its possible 60k Trump voters have died in 4 years.

    But they might be replaced by people like me, who didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 and will vote for him now.

    So far I see the election shaping up very much like 2016. If that is the case, Trump could win PA again.

  137. jason says:

    I also forgot Buttigieg is for open borders, higher taxes, eliminating the electoral college and packing the Supreme Court and district courts to overcome trumps nominees.”

    Hillary was for all that too.

  138. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – Given his orientation, he would not enrage women by saying he could grab them. That statement cost Trump many votes in PA. The hatred of Trump is so high near me that issues are irrelevant. Trump haters want him gone.

  139. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Buttigieg has almost zero support now in polls of African-Americans. The fact he is GLBT and also that the city he is the mayor has racial tensions is likely to alienate many African-American voters. Buttigieg fired an African-American police chief, and was accused of being unresponsive to African-American concerns.

    An increase in support of African-Americans for Trump could help him carry states like Michigan, Wisconsin and even Pennsylvania.

  140. jason says:

    Btw, Rs did pretty well statewide in PA in the 2019 election.

    There was only one statewide office up for grabs (actually 2) for Superior Court, but the vote total was 50/50, and one Dem and one R won.

    “Court watchers and politicos said Pennsylvania Republicans had reason to celebrate the result of the single partisan statewide race on the ballot, for two seats on the Superior Court, with each major party electing one new judge.

    The result, observers said, bucked a trend toward election of Democrats to statewide offices in the past decade, a trend that continued to accelerate in local races in the Philadelphia suburbs.”

  141. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The only Democratic candidate I see as a clear favorite to win against Trump in 2020 is Biden. Sadly for the Democrats, their best candidate is suffering from obvious signs of mental decline. Add to this the bitter factionalism among the Democrats; the changes of the Democrats defeating Trump are not looking good. A recent poll showed that 60% of Americans expected Trump to be re-elected.

  142. Tina says:

    The whistleblower that blew the whistle on gossipblower, also filed a complaint to the irs.

  143. jason says:

    I think Biden is a 60% favorite. All the others are under 50% in my view.

  144. jason says:

    I also think Biden’s chance of self destructing during the campaign is really high.

  145. Chicon says:

    Is Wes still predicting a Trump loss?

  146. Phil says:

    I’ll leave it to bitter and Jason to comment on the fortunes in Pennsylvania. They know their state far better than I. As far as my state Texas, you can put it in the Trump camp again by around the 9 pts he carried it by last time. Make it 11 or 12 if the nominee is Warren (which it won’t be).

  147. Tina says:

    “The average median income under President Bush rose only $400 over an 8-year period. Under President Obama, it rose $975 over an 8-year period…And under my administration, it rose $5,000 over slightly more than just 2 1/2 years. That’s a big difference.” – @realDonaldTrump

  148. Victrc says:

    Tina

    I read the same article. Was going to post it but you beat me to it!!

  149. Phil says:

    That article is interesting, Jason. It centers on the fact that once it gets to the Senate Democrats completely lose their stranglehold on the process. Republicans will be able to subpoena witnesses, cross examine Schiff’s stooge witnesses, and actually counter all that Schiff throws out there. It won’t be pretty for the Democrats….and they know it.

    My prediction is that Pelosi backs off by the first of December and switches to some face saving strategy like censure.

  150. jason says:

    wes thinks Trump is too unpopular to win. He doesn’t seem to think the opponent matters that much. He could be right, but I think the opponent does matter.

  151. jason says:

    I think the Dems are in too far to back off now. Th MSM will not let them off the hook.

  152. Victrc says:

    New thread