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Biden Leads Trump in AZ and OH

We received two more polls yesterday from Monmouth University and NBC News and Marist College for the state of Arizona that shows how much trouble Donald Trump is in in a state he won four years ago. Adding to this is Mark Kelly is now leading Republican incumbent Martha McSally in a slew of polls of late that would give Democrats a huge pickup in the US Senate.

PRESIDENT – ARIZONA (Monmouth)
Joe Biden (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 43%

PRESIDENT – ARIZONA (NBC/Marist)
Joe Biden (D) 47%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%

US SENATE – ARIZONA (NBC/Marist)
Mark Kelly (D) 50%
Martha McSally (R-inc) 44%

The Monmouth poll was done March 11-14 and the NBC News/Marist College poll was done March 10-15, both among registered voters. Meanwhile NBC News and MaristNBC News and MaristNBC News and Marist also released a new poll for the state of Ohio that has Trump trailing in another state he won in 2016.

PRESIDENT – OHIO (NBC/Marist)
Joe Biden (D) 49%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

This poll was done March 10-13 among registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 1:57 pm
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2,012 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump in AZ and OH”

  1. Big Joe says:

    1 Hi Dave

  2. Big Joe says:

    For the last 6 days, we have seen 1,000+ point moves in the DOW. Today’s the most boring day ever. Only 900 point move so far.

    Big Joe

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    FLORIDA
    Biden 45%
    Trump 45%

    Trump 48% (+7)
    Sanders 41%
    @atlas_intel
    3/14-16

    Would do a better job handling coronavirus:
    Sanders 51% (+2)
    Trump 49%

    Biden 50%
    Trump 50%
    *AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA & WI

    Given the unusual turn of events, don’t think anyone can predict what will happen in November. What happens if Trump, Biden or Sanders are diagnosed as having the virus? Is the government going to start giving out free money to Americans? When will Americans get tired of what amounts to living under house arrest?

  4. jason says:

    These polls are taken at a time Trump is having to have his message filtered through the MSM and where his best card, the economy, is under siege. That puts him at a disadvantage.

    Nobody is talking about Biden’s plans to shut down the firearm, oil and gas and automobile industries.

    That will change.

  5. Tgca says:

    Cinco Bebe! Cinco!

  6. Tgca says:

    Seis! Pootah!

  7. jason says:

    I drove around today. I see the fast food restaurants doing a good amount of drive-thru and take out business. Long line of cars at Arby’s, Wendy’s and MacDonalds.

    Some restaurants were closed, but a lot of them are open. Maybe they were just doing take out, but I did see people sitting in one of them.

    Supposedly Wolf does not have the authority to shut down private business. He can regulate them but not shut them down without due process. Bitter is this true? Also some of the radio shows in PA have had legal experts saying Wolf cannot penalize any restaurants that stay open.

    Finally, some businesses that normally don’t have drive thru and take out are getting creative, serving food/coffee out of windows.

    On the hand, Olive Garden is closed. What a blessing.

  8. jason says:

    Tgca, did you stock up on organic maple syrup, I hear every market in the Philly area is out, some guy in a MAGA hat yelling “It’s all mine, pootahs” bought all of it.

  9. dblaikie says:

    Jason I went to my local Publix today and the entire meat counter was empty except for one item — chicken livers. Glad I like liver.

  10. Country Dick Montana says:

    Wolf’s “order” was followed up by him saying that he was not going to send the police or the national guard out to enforce it. I think that was an admission that he did not have the authority and was just making a “strong suggestion.” It appears that most of the shut downs and changes in operations have been done voluntarily by businesses, especially larger ones.

  11. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Three of the recent coronavirus deaths: a 96 year old, a 92 year old, and a man in his 80s.

  12. Country Dick Montana says:

    I have been looking all over for an age breakdown of deaths in the US. They have older data showing the mortality rate of each age group once they get it, but nothing showing the actual distribution. Has anyone seen anything like that?

  13. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The police in San Diego are checking to see that bars and restaurants are closed, except for food take out.

    Meanwhile, a homeless person can be sick and throwing up in public in your neighborhood, and the police will not come. Had to get one to move along, and then poured hot, soapy water on where he was camped out on private property.

  14. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    13. Have not seen the U.S. breakdown of deaths, just this one online on total deaths, which you may already have:

    COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:
    *Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

    AGE
    DEATH RATE
    all cases
    80+ years old 14.8%
    70-79 years old 8.0%
    60-69 years old 3.6%
    50-59 years old 1.3%
    40-49 years old 0.4%
    30-39 years old 0.2%
    20-29 years old 0.2%
    10-19 years old 0.2%
    0-9 years old no fatalities

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

  15. CG says:

    Just got back from voting. They gave me an alcohol wipe which I was able to use to touch the screen. Fitting because I always figured I would have to be under the influence of alcohol or the world would be on the verge of collapse before I ever voted in a Democrat primary.

    But inside this church, with the protection of the alcohol, I felt emboldened enough to type in Mitt Romney for President, before voting against the Soros backed incumbent Cook County States’ Attorney and being on my way.

    My official time as a Democrat- approximately three minutes.

    Let’s see if I get a virus.

  16. Cash Cow TM says:

    Been watching Walt work to rototill a chunk of the yard (for MORE flower beds, naturally) and to put in rock slab flower bed liners around existing flower beds.

    He seems to be doing ok, but I hear him muttering a lot.

    He did a “number 2” later and I said folks on HHR are concerned and asked him about his “movement”.

    He said to “tell everyone it was solid, and red and white striped like a barber’s pole.”

    I think he was being sarcastic…

  17. SoHope says:

    Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

    The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

    Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

  18. Big Joe says:

    Well I spoke too soon. Dow closes up 1,048. This is the seventh consecutive trading day where the Dow moved 1,000 points or more. Volatility like this, while a trader’s delight, makes it very tough to establish a bottom. We will probably test new lows.

    Big Joe

  19. jason says:

    Look, the A-holes are specialist on a-hole production.

    “Production” that is red, white and striped like a barber’s pole can only mean one thing.

    Henpecked and pussy whipped to exhaustion.

  20. Country Dick Montana says:

    SDC Thanks. I have seen those and they are mortality rates for those who get it, and I think based on Chinese data. I trying to find out the distribution. Say as an example out of 100 deaths 40% above 80, 25% between 70 and 80, 10% between 60 and 70 and so on. I have not found anything that has that information other than anecdotal. Thanks again

  21. jason says:

    ason I went to my local Publix today and the entire meat counter was empty except for one item — chicken livers. Glad I like liver.”

    There should be plenty of meat. At the Amish Meat Market the butcher told me that there will be a glut of meat in the market because the restaurants will be ordering less.

  22. Big Joe says:

    Kevin Durant has coronavirus.

    Big Joe

  23. jason says:

    Nah, even in China the mortality rate for over 80 was 15%, not 40%, almost all with pre-existing conditions.

    “The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.”

  24. jason says:

    You can expect these numbers to be lower in the US due to better health care and fewer smokers.

    Over half the male population in China smokes.

  25. Country Dick Montana says:

    jason – I understand that those numbers are the mortality rate for those who in that age group who have been infected. If you look at SDC’s numbers then they add up to 28.6%. I am interested in the distribution (which would add up to 100%) which would likely skew very old based on the anecdotal evidence.

  26. Country Dick Montana says:

    You can expect these numbers to be lower in the US due to better health care and fewer smokers.

    We also had free flow of information (maybe too much information given the panic buying) but that allowed people on their own to start taking precautions. The ChiComs hid it from their own people for a long time.

  27. jason says:

    I am interested in the distribution (which would add up to 100%) which would likely skew very old based on the anecdotal evidence.”

    That is a lot harder, because you are not really going to get an accurate count from people who are asymptomatic.

    So probably in the lower risk group less likely to need medical treatment there will be a lot of unreported cases.

    But yes, reported cases will skew heavily towards the older population because they are the most likely to seek treatment.

    I have not read anything about what the odds are of actually contracting the disease by age, it might not be different between younger and older people.

  28. lisab says:

    This is a true Blood Libel against Jews that only Bunu would welcome and agree with. Who is actress Rosanna Arquette?

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/rosanna-arquette-brings-us-to-the-blame-the-jews-phase-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-screenshot/
    ———————————–

    she is this rosanna

    “Rosanna”

    All I wanna do when I wake up in the morning is see your eyes
    Rosanna, Rosanna
    I never thought that a girl like you could ever care for me, Rosanna

    All I wanna do in the middle of the evening is hold you tight
    Rosanna, Rosanna
    I didn’t know you were looking for more than I could ever be

    Not quite a year since she went away, Rosanna
    Now she’s gone and I have to say

    …………………………

    and, this rosanna

    “In Your Eyes”
    (from “Say Anything…” soundtrack)

    Love I get so lost, sometimes
    Days pass and this emptiness fills my heart
    When I want to run away
    I drive off in my car
    But whichever way I go
    I come back to the place you are

    All my instincts, they return
    And the grand facade, so soon will burn
    Without a noise, without my pride
    I reach out from the inside

    In your eyes
    The light the heat
    In your eyes
    I am complete
    In your eyes
    I see the doorway to a thousand churches
    In your eyes
    The resolution of all the fruitless searches
    In your eyes
    I see the light and the heat
    In your eyes
    Oh, I want to be that complete
    I want to touch the light
    The heat I see in your eyes

  29. Cash Cow TM says:

    DAMN!

    WV has now reported its first case of coronavirus.

    (Not sure where, but it was not Walt).

  30. jason says:

    Let me rephrase that. We know really young people, say under 15 are unlikely to be contaminated.

    I mean do we know if 70 year olds are more likely to get sick than 50 year olds given the same exposure?

  31. jason says:

    So Trump wants to send everyone $1000?

    It will be fun to see NYC contorting himself into a pretzel defending Trump on that.

    I can’t wait.

    Oh wait. I can see it now. Mnuchin will actually be mailing out the checks, Trump “will just” sign them

  32. Country Dick Montana says:

    31 – Pretty much agree with you there. A lot of people with mild cases are probably just chalking up to a cold so they probably won’t be counted. The ages of those that have died though should be pretty easy to get. That’s why I am wondering why there is nothing out there.

  33. lisab says:

    I mean do we know if 70 year olds are more likely to get sick than 50 year olds given the same exposure?
    ————————————-

    older people are also far more likely to have smoked heavily in their lives

  34. lisab says:

    So Trump wants to send everyone $1000?
    ——————————

    it will go straight back into the economy

    it will almost 100% be immediately spend

    on toilet paper mostly

    but still … the bubble up theory of economics at work

  35. jason says:

    So Trump wants to send everyone $1000?
    ——————————

    it will go straight back into the economy”

    I will probably spend it in Italy, the hotel prices will be great after all this blows over.

  36. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Washington Post has tracked the age of all the U.S. deaths from the virus. I cannot find their tracking data, but they did summarize it in an article:

    “The Washington Post has tracked every known U.S. death and has analyzed data provided by state and local health officials, families of the victims, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Of the first 100 reported fatalities, many people appear to have had underlying health conditions, making it harder for their bodies to fight off covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Some had diabetes, kidney failure, hypertension or pulmonary ailments.

    Nearly all — about 85 percent — were older than 60, and about 45 percent were older than 80. It’s unclear how some of them contracted the disease, but more than a third were living in residential care facilities when they became ill.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-coronavirus-death-toll-reaches-100/2020/03/17/f8d770c2-67a8-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

  37. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    So she’s not Rosanna Dana Dana (Gilda Radner) of SNL fame!?

  38. Phil says:

    Wait a sec. Every adult gets a thousand bucks?

    Is that the proposal or are ya’ll just being facetious?

  39. Wes says:

    That’s actually the proposal, Phil.

    Paul Krugman will decry it because a Republican proposed it.

    Had Obama proposed it, Krugman would not be able to praise it enough.

  40. mRviTO says:

    Romney is the one that came up with the proposal to give everyone $1000 yesterday.

  41. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Before anyone assumes the U.S. is the same virus trajectory as Italy, it should be pointed out that the flu had excessive mortality in Italy:

    “Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)

    In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.
    More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.
    Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

  42. Jan says:

    Well CG must be pleased about that $1000, as Romney proposed such a “gift” earlier. I guess Trump is simply following Romney’s suggestion.

  43. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    U.S. Army Garrison Daegu @USAGDaegu
    Daegu city only added 35–was hundreds last week. WE ARE WINNING! #KILLtheVirus
    Quote Tweet

    Victoria Kim @vicjkim
    For a second day in a row, South Korea has reported fewer than 100 new coronavirus cases (76 on Sunday, 74 today).

  44. Jan says:

    Here in LA’s Westside life has slowed down to a crawl. Restaurants are closed, except for takeout. Schools/colleges are not in session for 5 weeks. Many employees are on job hiatus, including our son. Markets were first savaged by shoppers, emptying shelves. Now, they have evolved to social distancing, limiting the number of shoppers in the store, spraying hands with disinfectant when they first enter, and then limiting purchases to only two of anything when they reach checkout.

    It’s all surreal!

  45. Phil says:

    So the Never Trumpers are coming with two suggestions:

    1) Romney’s proposal – give every adult $1,000.

    2) Max Boot’s proposal. Trump and Pence resign and let Nancy Pelosi take over as President.

    Solid…especially the one putting PELOSI in the WH.

    REAL Republican of you, Max. You are a REAL Republican.

  46. CG says:

    In these emergency times, the Romney proposal is needed, as long as it is Means Tested of course. The wealthy would not be eligible.

    I believe something like this was done after 9/11 too.

    It’s good that that Trump Administration is so gung-ho to implement Senator Romney’s proposal.

    Of course anybody who has in recent months called Mitt a “scumbag” on the internet will do the right thing and return their RomneyMoney or MittBucks un-cashed.

    Remember, you can’t spell Romney without R Money!

  47. CG says:

    Under my proposal, Pence would not have to resign.

  48. lisab says:

    Of course anybody who has in recent months called Mitt a “scumbag” on the internet will do the right thing and return their RomneyMoney or MittBucks un-cashed.
    ———————-

    ummmmmmmmmm … its OUR money … we pay taxes

    not RomneyMoney

  49. NYCmike says:

    “Romney is the one that came up with the proposal to give everyone $1000 yesterday.”

    -Am I still turning myself into a pretzel??

  50. Tina says:

    $1000 is too little.

    Quittens still sucks.

  51. Tina says:

    And just a heads up, trump will next have to close the Canadian us border. Too many wuhan carriers coming through this.

    Mexico too.

  52. Tina says:

    The bush checks after 9-11 did nothing,

  53. Cash CowTM says:

    DRUDGE

    Brawling Monkeys. Wandering Deer. Blame Coronavirus…

    I thought we were supposed to blame it on glow-bull warming…

  54. mRviTO says:

    FL primary is 61-23 Biden with 82% in.

    D 1.6mill
    R 1.1mill

  55. mRviTO says:

    R 1.2 mill actually

  56. Cash CowTM says:

    “..confirmed positive case of the coronavirus in West Virginia — an unidentified Eastern Panhandle resident whom state Public Health Officer Dr. Cathy Slemp later said is being treated on an outpatient basis with a less serious case of the illness.”

    HERE..in the EASTERN PANHANDLE!
    *******************************************

    I say burn them…
    (Off to the bunker…)

  57. Cash Cow TM says:

    Schools now closed for the rest of the year in FL and some other state…

    re-dick-a-loase

  58. mRviTO says:

    School is not closed for the rest of the year in Florida… just state testing.

  59. mRviTO says:

    It IS cancelled through April 15th.

  60. Tina says:

    Quote Tweet

    Ryan Fournier
    @RyanAFournier
    · 1h
    BREAKING: The Trump Administration has just announced that they will be sending back all undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers to Mexico due to the China Virus.

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    My wife’s cousin is head concierge at a very upscale hotel in Manhattan. He was jus laid off. Who needs a concierge when all they can say is, “Sorry. That’s closed. Broadway tickets? I have plenty of tickets for the shows that are closed.” I feel sorry for him

  62. jason says:

    Romney could give me $1 million and he would still be a scumbag.

  63. jason says:

    “Romney is the one that came up with the proposal to give everyone $1000 yesterday.”

    -Am I still turning myself into a pretzel??”

    Translation:

    If Trump gives everyone $1000 it will be Romney’s fault!

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  64. jason says:

    Let me be clear that I oppose the $1000 idea whether Scumbag Romney proposes it or whether Trump implements it.

  65. jason says:

    The Curse of Oak Island will have a spinoff.

    The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.

  66. Victrc says:

    Jason

    I agree While good intentioned the leftnid already calling it basic universal income and will try to implement it on a permanent basis, and will also use it as a case for socialism.

    Just look at the idiot AOC and all the free things she is demanding

    They want to eliminate work for their constituents and make republicans pay for it

  67. jason says:

    Giving $1000 to a lot of people who either don’t need it or don’t have where to spend it at the moment is stupid.

    It would be much better spent protecting jobs at risk and extending some benefits to those directly affected.

  68. Victrc says:

    Exactly. Use the money to meet payrolls so people working get paid and small businesses don’t lose employees or suffer as much

  69. Phil says:

    The idea of giving a thousand bucks to everyone makes no sense. My wife and I are both retired, but we are fortunate in that we live comfortably on our retirement income. Give that money to a couple of laid off blue collar workers. We are fine. We and people like us don’t need two thousand dollars, others do. Give it to them.

  70. VictrC says:

    Phil and Jason

    What I hear is that the cap for receiving the money will be those making $65K or less. Those on SS won’t get any either, I think the same of disability.

    With the $65K cap I think that is going ot cut out a lot of blue collar workers in households where both works, or they have good union jobs.

    Looks more like a giveaway to the Biden AOC constituency/

  71. jason says:

    hat I hear is that the cap for receiving the money will be those making $65K or less.”

    Ah yes, give the money to those that don’t even pay taxes.

  72. Bitterlaw says:

    I think the reaction to the virus is excessive. I think the death of a single person from it is tragic. Both can be true.

  73. VictrC says:

    Bitter. I agree, but I also believe now that better to think in two months that we overreacted than think in two months why is every hospital bed in the country full with our seniors.

    I’d rather we scoff at the numbers later on than regret the numbers later on.

    If we’re going to do this, shut down everything, then we should just do it, not do it half way.

  74. CG says:

    Tom Brady is going to Tampa.

    AuthorLMendez has offered to pick him up from the airport.

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – I see your point but the cost is too high for too many people. Is unemployment going to hit 10%. Probably not but it will soar. Who is going to hire all the waiters, bartenders, etc when the restaurants fail? People who work for airlines? People who work for theaters. Tourism is collapsing over this. Not every job is coming back. My boss employs 3 other lawyers and 6 staff. He said if the courts stay closed for 2 months he will probably shut the firm and said to start making backup plans. I hate my boss and my job but I would prefer to leave on my own terms.

  76. Bitterlaw says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AnimeUproar/status/1240067980995813381

    I thought Author would be more excited about Tom Brady. He expects Trump to lose.

  77. VictrC says:

    Bitter. I agree. I still have to meet payroll, pay for benefits, and 90+% of my business is with governments who now have other priorities, but what’s the alternative.

    I guess the other alternative is to quarantine all those who are in the vulnerable category and let life go on as it was.

    I think the President is in a no-win situation unfortunately, and the long term cost, having the far left take complete control, is going to be far worse than the virus.

  78. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t blame Trump but I won’t praise him, either. Nobody in DC ever thought, “Hmmmmmmm. What if a virus came here? What should we do about it?” Again, not Trump’s fault but he’s not exactly Churchill inspiring people to never surrender.

  79. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    80. “I guess the other alternative is to quarantine all those who are in the vulnerable category and let life go on as it was.”

    Add to that, the quarantine will be useless: A recent study showed that “”Stealth” coronavirus cases are fueling the pandemic, with a staggering 86% of people infected walking around undetected, a new study says.” We are talking about shutting down the economy for a virus that makes very few people sick under age 60. Lets shelter the vulnerable seniors — about 45% of the people who die of virus are over age 80, but the mass quarantine of the general population needs to be short-term and end soon.

  80. PresidentPaul! says:

    Fed is buying everything. A trillion dollar a day (double the department of defense) in new daily repo operations.

    #JustTheFlu

  81. PresidentPaul! says:

    If you give Americans 1000 dollars a month we’ll finally see inflation I mean stagflation.

  82. PresidentPaul! says:

    The Washington Post
    @washingtonpost
    · 7h
    U.S. economy expected to lose 4.6 million travel-related jobs this year from coronavirus fallout https://wapo.st/2Wl95rX

    $1000? Maybe he meant $10000!
    You’re gonna need a bigger boat

  83. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFf3HTo8Kzw

    Saagar Enjeti: Biden makes definitive case for why he’ll lose

  84. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A fact about the coronavirus in Italy: “Of the first 803 Italian deaths reported, 98% were 60 or older. Data from other countries also show that older people have a much higher risk of death.”

  85. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    California, which is increasingly telling residents to “shelter in place” in their homes; now has to deal with 100,000-200,000 homeless. Various ideas like using school auditoriums and motels are being explored. Meanwhile, the homeless have become more aggressive on the streets, as they seem to sense the police are avoiding contact with them. This is not going to turn out well.

  86. PresidentPaul! says:

    I agree with social distancing, but shutting down all businesses just because they aren’t considered critical infrastructure is just dumb. Tesla had to close its plant by government order. The Auto Unions are shutting trying to shut all plants in Michigan also on the basis of safety. etc etc.

    So dumb. The healthcare industry mostly has guidelines that you CAN GO TO WORK EVEN IF YOU’RE EXPOSED TO (#1) A KNOWN CORONAVIRUS PERSON unless you then #2 become sick\fever\etc.

    Why can auto workers not go to work?

    Even if one person in the plant got sick, that doesn’t mean the entire plant is supposed to shut down.

  87. Country Dick Montana says:

    Among them were 22 new cases at a DuPage County long-term care facility, including 18 residents and four staff members, all of whom are in isolation.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/first-covid-19-death-reported-in-illinois-governor-announces/2238877/

    I would expect a spike in deaths in Illinois in about a week.

  88. PresidentPaul! says:

    This sh1t is pissing me off. I’m not losing money because I sold the Thursday before any of this started but…

    Turning the entire economy off not just here but the entire world is suicidal.

    People need to go to work.

    My dentist office is OPEN right now. Why can’t these auto workers go to work?

  89. Sheeple, Jr. says:

    Wes and CG:
    With respect to the House primaries in Illinois last night, I would like you to comment on the results in CD’s 3 and 14:
    1- In CD-3, long-time Democrat incumbent, Dan Lipinski, lost to a radical AOC-type Bernie Sis by a small margin.
    Is there anyway there will be a backlash in the CD so that a Republican could win in November?

    2- In CD-14, GOP perenial loser and the very unlikable Jim Oberweis prevailed by a small margin over two interesting female competitors.His Democrat opponent in November is the way-in-over-her-head incumbent Lauren Underwood.
    Can the “GOP” sneak a win with Oberweis?

  90. jason says:

    I don’t blame Trump but I won’t praise him, either.”

    I will. He got ahead of the curve and closed down the flts from China early, that probably made a huge difference in the number of cases we will see. For that, he was called a racist and xenophobe by the same people who now say he didn’t do enough.

    Outside of shutting down travel from Europe too, which nobody called for, he took the one step that would actually make a difference.

    T

  91. jason says:

    Whoops, I wasn’t through.

    Then he put together an excelletn of experts and has followed their recommendations. That is also something that can ultimately make a difference.

    So he gets my praise for doing what was really important.

    Now there is the criticism that he sugar coated the virus somewhat. Maybe he did for a couple weeks, hoping that we wouldn’t wreck our economy. But in hard numbers, had he been more pessimistic, would it have changed anything? I doubt it. The die was already cast, and nothing he said caused there to be more cases. Let’s be honest, if Trump had said “I think this might be more serious” would ANY of us have changed anything we did during those 2 weeks?

    So ok, it the standard is Churchill, he might come up short.

    If the standard is Obama, he comes out way ahead.

  92. PresidentPaul! says:

    Why Churchill lost bigly

    In July, Keynes’s pamphlet, The Economic Consequences of Mr. Churchill, ferociously opposed a return to gold as a fixed exchange-rate system because of its effects on unemployment and the balance of payments. It was not directed at Churchill personally; WSC, he said, had made the decision “partly because he has no intuitive judgment, partly because of the clamourous voices of conventional finance, and, worst of all, because he was gravely misled by the experts.”14

    https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-153/thewizard-and-the-pragmatist/

  93. jason says:

    However, I certainly don’t support sending blanket checks out to people who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t need it.

  94. jason says:

    Churchill lost in 1945 because there was a general feeling he had served his purpose, won the war, and the Labor party was offering a more aggressive path to reconstruction than the Conservatives.

    The Labor Party eventually delivered less than it promised and Churchill came back to win in 1951.

    Nothing to do with gold or the gold standard.

  95. PresidentPaul! says:

    #justtheFlu

    Steve Mnuchen said to expect 33 Million Jobs Lost and over 20% unemployment.

  96. PresidentPaul! says:

    #98

    That’s the history book narrative. We know the truth though as Keynes explained it.

  97. PresidentPaul! says:

    I’m just glad burn it down bernie lost.

    We don’t need another FDR running in this type of situation or in Bernie’s case a Maduro.

  98. jason says:

    teve Mnuchen said to expect 33 Million Jobs Lost and over 20% unemployment.”

    Zzzzzzz…..

  99. PresidentPaul! says:

    Instead the left has a plastic demented man running who lost his first presidential race because of plagiarism, lost his second presidential race because he lied about his education, and in this race he is lying about be arrested in S Africa.

  100. jason says:

    We know the truth though as Keynes explained it”

    LOL

    Keynes and truth is an oxymoron.

    If you don’t like Bernie you shouldn’t like Keynes.

    Time awarded Keynes with “Most Important People of the Century” for “his radical theory that governments should spend money they don’t have”

  101. jason says:

    Instead the left has a plastic demented man running who lost his first presidential race because of plagiarism, lost his second presidential race because he lied about his education, and in this race he is lying about be arrested in S Africa.”

    But that is not why he shouldn’t be President.

    He shouldn’t be President because the policies he is advocating for are as far left as Bernie’s.

  102. PresidentPaul! says:

    No Bernie was lying. He wouldn’t have nationalized 90% of American corporations. He doesn’t even believe in free markets with the exception of on a local level. He’s said as much himself.

  103. jason says:

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    “Bloomberg spent $500M+ on his vanity run for the White House.

    He’s offering $40M to combat the Wuhan virus — abroad.”

  104. PresidentPaul! says:

    These EU & Obama-Bush immigration policies working out so well.

    “Migrants Wave ISIS Flags, Beat Reporters and Fight Police After German Police Quarantine Camp Over Coronavirus Infection”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/migrants-wave-isis-flags-beat-reporters-and-fight-police-after-german-police-quarantine-camp-over-coronavirus-infection/

  105. Proud Obamacon says:

    So the Orange Moron finally admits this is real. Fox News changes its tune too. We always knew they didn’t care about the truth, and cared more about peddling conspiracy theories to try to score points against those Evil Democrats. Sad, really sad.

    Now that the crisis is staring them in the face, they have no choice but to take it seriously.

    During the time they spent downplaying, blaming China, blaming Democrats, they could have actually helped prevent spread and kept the market afloat.

    Now they turn to UBI .. can’t make this chit up.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  106. Proud Obamacon says:

    Limit down triggered. Looks like another trading halt this morning. What say you, Big Joe. Still buying? LOL .. FALLING.KNIFE

    I’ll start nibbling around Dow 18,000

    #RESIST

  107. Tina says:

    Dumberg is probably given the money to China, his benefactor.

  108. Wes says:

    Sheep:

    1) No.

    2) Possibly though I would hardly count on it.

  109. Pitchaboy says:

    Update:

    US currently running a mortality of 1.6% on tested cases. This does not include likely thousands of mild cases. Final mortality figures likely to be 0.3 to 0.8%.

  110. hugh says:

    113. my bet if they can reasonably estimate the eventual denominator is more like the flu of .01%. I suspect that the way they estimate the flu denominator would be reasonable for this as well.

  111. hugh says:

    I meant .1%

  112. jason says:

    Watching Cuomo presser…very fair to Trump..moonbats will be pissed

  113. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    When this is all said and done I believe US mortality rate will be below 0.1%

  114. Big Joe says:

    #110 Proud O-
    “What say you, Big Joe.”

    I say execute your strategy with discipline and without emotion. I’ve deployed about 60% of my cash during this downturn, of which approx 75% have gone to ETFs and 25% to individual stocks.

    I will say its a good time now to be choosing stocks over a broad market ETF. The ETFs include sure losers but they do give you exposure to a broader market. So its all up to you and your risk level.

    Big Joe

  115. CG says:

    #93

    No chance for Republicans in CD 3. It is a heavily D district. Lipinski probably would have won with a more regular “turnout” on Election Day. Also, he needed more conservatives to vote for him. Instead, many had to vote in the R primary to make sure the Illinois Nazi was not nominated again there (he finished with about 10%) and that likely cost Lipinski.

    The 14th District will be closer, but I cannot envision Oberweis winning. He is a perennial loser. Sue Rezin or the other female candidate would have stood a better chance.

  116. CG says:

    Also virtually no chance for the very right-wing Jeanne Ives against freshman Sean Casten in a suburban district.

    However, conservative Mary Miller will easily win an open Downstate district.

  117. CG says:

    Facing Dick Durbin in November will be former Lake County Sheriff Mark Curran, who won the primary by a larger than expected margin.

    Curran was first elected Sheriff as a Democrat in 2006, upsetting the incumbent in a traditionally Republican county. He switched to the GOP in 2008 and continued to hold office until 2018, when he narrowly lost to a Democrat amid the nationwide suburban Trump midterm bloodbath.

    At the time, Curran rightly talked about how hard it was to run as a member of Trump’s party in a suburban county and expressed concern for the future of Republicans. However, running for the Senate nomination this cycle, he did so as a staunch supporter of Trump. Go figure.

  118. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Well Boeing’s credit rating was cut today. It does have some issues that other high quality companies don’t. I think it’s oversold and will head higher when the markets are ready. But I think other companies will outperform Boeing with less risk. I would not be a buyer of Boeing, I think much better options out there.”

    BJ, great call on Boeing. That knife is falling so fast. I’d consider it at $50. It was already falling before the supposed Hoax virus hit. Not touching it until it gets to $50.

    #RESIST

  119. Pitchaboy says:

    Yep Hugh, you are probably correct. Uncertainty is killing people’s livelihood and peace.

  120. Wes says:

    I don’t think it would matter if Curran ran as the epitome of an anti-Trump Republican, Corey.

    No Republican is going to beat the Personification of Evil Itself for the seat Al Salvi gifted him with a bow in 1996.

    Ironically Oberweis made it closest in the intervening years, losing 43-53 in 2014.

  121. Wes says:

    I swear, whenever I see Durbin’s pudgy, sinister mug, I automatically think of Auric Goldfinger.

  122. jason says:

    I’ll start nibbling around Dow 18,000″

    LOL

    The blood sucking parasite communist who hates his country without ever contributing to it is going to spend other people’s money on stocks?

    Someone tell him there will be no stock market once the Marxists take over.

  123. Country Dick Montana says:

    We conservatives were probably hard on Obama and sometimes over the top, but I never remember us wanting wholesale destruction or wishing ill on everyone in pursuit of our agenda. I even wonder if they (Proud, Messy, etc.)have an agenda besides destruction. We will survive and some of us will take advantage of the opportunities that await when this passes, which it will. All they will have is a bitterness and hate.

    Of course if there is something that they are looking for, besides “Not Trump” it would be interesting to hear their vision.

  124. Proud Obamacon says:

    “The blood sucking parasite communist who hates his country without ever contributing to it is going to spend other people’s money on stocks?”

    Jason’s act got old a long time ago. But if he feels like he has to build an alternate version of people he disagrees with and make up lies about them to make himself feel like a man, well that speaks volumes. I actually feel really sad for Jason.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  125. Proud Obamacon says:

    Captain Dick, never heard of him but he debuts with an attack on me. Nice to meet you too.

    BJ, where’s the bottom? why do these conservatives forget the stock market under Obama?

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  126. jason says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    March 18, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Update:

    US currently running a mortality of 1.6% on tested cases. This does not include likely thousands of mild cases. Final mortality figures likely to be 0.3 to 0.8%.”

    Probably closer to the lower end. Deaths so far are heavily skewed to the WA nursing home deaths, and the 5.5% mortality rate there.

    If you look at NY with 1700 cases and 13 deaths you can see the mortality rate will steadily decline as more cases are reported.

    NPR has a decent graphic for the numbers as of 9 PM last night

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

  127. Country Dick Montana says:

    It’s Country Dick. I would love to be proven wrong. Said that I was interested in your vision. And I was here about 4 years ago before the 2016 elections. Generally stay in the background.

  128. Proud Obamacon says:

    Captain Dick, you survived 8 years of Obama. You’ll be ok under the next Democratic president.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  129. Phil says:

    Just to echo what Jason said about Governor Cuomo’s press conference. The governor was knowledgeable, direct, detail oriented, and focused. I was impressed. His press conference was devoid of all politics. I don’t usually agree with his politics, but he gets it on this. Totally, invested in dealing with the problem.

    I contrast that with the speech on the senate floor this morning by Cuck Schumer. Totally political. Finger pointing. Not a bit helpful. What a POS. Pathetic.

    Two politicians from the same state. One interested in solving problems. One a complete hack. The contrast couldn’t have been more clear.

  130. Country Dick Montana says:

    I did survive it, life went on. But Obama is a centrist compared to what is running now. I don’t trust the government in the best of times.

  131. Proud Obamacon says:

    “But Obama is a centrist compared to what is running now.”

    Ruh Roh – prepare to be called Communist, Marxist, Turd, Castro lover, Stalin baby, etc etc etc by Jason LOL

    #RESIST

  132. jason says:

    “In a rare show of solidarity, Gov. Andrew Cuomo praised President Trump’s response to the Wuhan virus pandemic, saying that the “team is on it” and that “they have been doing everything that they can do.”

  133. jason says:

    “But Obama is a centrist compared to what is running now.”

    :Ruh Roh – prepare to be called Communist, Marxist, Turd, Castro lover, Stalin baby, etc etc etc by Jason LOL”

    Nah… he just couldn’t implement his agenda, which was not different from the current Marxists. If he could have gutted the 2nd Amendment, implemented socialized medicine, killed the energy industry, etc. he would have done it.

    As I have said before, we were lucky Obama overreached in the first 2 years and lost the House. If he had settled for 805 of his far left agenda, he would have been able to implement all of it. Instead he believed Pelosi and Reid who told him “you won, go for it”.

  134. Country Dick Montana says:

    Why would he do that,? He might even agree the statement. But if he doesn’t it won’t be taken personally as we likely agree on just about everything else.

  135. jason says:

    80% of his far left agenda.

  136. jason says:

    Why would he do that,?”

    Remember, Proud Obamacommunist is a nitwit.

  137. NYCmike says:

    “Two politicians from the same state. One interested in solving problems.”

    -Cuomo is doing well.

    My take: He is looking for Trump to win this year, as that would increase his chances in 2024.

  138. Country Dick Montana says:

    Dang, wish I had bought some of these oil ETF’s that are 3xShort. Wish I had done it when oil was down 9% today. Oh well.

  139. jason says:

    I am looking for a facility that will isolate Proud Obamacommunist, Bunu, Messy Moron and Trump isPeteWilson for a year.

    For their safety of course.

  140. Country Dick Montana says:

    820 new deaths world wide. Italy accounts for 475 of them. Italy, Iran and Spain account for 712 of them or 87%.

  141. Robbie says:

    This has turned into a tragic situation. As a country, we didn’t test early enough so we weren’t able to identify who was sick so they could be isolated. Now, we’re enduring nothing short of a national catastrophe. The economy has all but ground to a halt and I don’t see how it can effectively restart until coronavirus has been dealt with once and for all.

    So how can we deal with the coronavirus once and for all? Shut down as much as possible for two and probably three weeks. Rolling and gradual shutdowns as we’re seeing now will only prolong the agony. It’s time rip the band aid off and take the pain now.

    We’re already in a sharp and deep recession. You don’t need a measure of GDP a few months from now to tell you what you already know. Unfortunately, the speed with which this spiraling out of control suggests we could endure a depression (4 quarters of negative growth) especially if we don’t knock out the transmission of virus now.

  142. Phil says:

    Jason, I am all for that facility. Isolate those four….and, sure, for their own safety.

  143. Country Dick Montana says:

    More perspective: 8790 Deaths worldwide. 7973 deaths in China, Italy, Iran and Spain. That is 91% in those 4 countries alone. Spain is #4 with 623 deaths. France is #5 with 175. The US is #6 with 117. We need to contain/control it, but at what cost to the economy.

  144. Phil says:

    Glenn Kushner, MSNBC’s “legal analyst” says Trump is guilty of negligent homicide and should be prosecuted immediately after leaving office. Wow. What a legal scholar.

    ….and no, you can’t make this up.

  145. jason says:

    They should have left it in the interest of accuracy.

    “Google’s Democrat logo of the jackass was replaced with a rat by some pranksters on Monday to great effect. Needless to say, the social media-sphere couldn’t stop circulating the results of the prank.

    The prank involved changing the Google “knowledge panel” that pops up at the top right of your computer screen when you search for various things. The box is supposed to give you quick hits of information on a certain topic, allowing you to get the gist of a topic without having to search any further. Normally, when you search for the Democrat party, the star-spangled red and white donkey pops up as its representing image.

    However, Mashable reported that the Democrats hadn’t actually claimed their own “knowledge panel,” leaving it susceptible to change by anyone, since knowledge panels contain information generated by the web itself, including images.

    This allowed for the image to be changed for a whole 90 minutes before Google stepped in and changed it back.”

  146. jason says:

    Although, truth being told, a jackass IS fairly accurate too.

  147. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 18, 2020 at 1:47 pm
    Glenn Kushner, MSNBC’s “legal analyst” says Trump is guilty of negligent homicide and should be prosecuted immediately after leaving office. Wow. What a legal scholar.
    ….and no, you can’t make this up.

    – Always good to focus on the statements of a cable news boob that riles up voracious consumers of conservative news rather than focus on the actual issue which is the coronavirus that has ground the US economies to an absolute standstill.

    It’s pretty easy to tell many of those who post in this forum are no longer active or regular participants in the workforce because, otherwise, you’d be consumed with the national calamity that has befallen American business and the American worker.

  148. jason says:

    “As a country, we didn’t test early enough so we weren’t able to identify who was sick so they could be isolated.”

    Amoral Scumbag, should self isolate in Bogo Pogo instead of regurgitating MSNBC here.

  149. NYCmike says:

    “This has turned into a tragic situation. As a country, we didn’t test early enough so we weren’t able to identify who was sick so they could be isolated. Now, we’re enduring nothing short of a national catastrophe. The economy has all but ground to a halt and I don’t see how it can effectively restart until coronavirus has been dealt with once and for all.”

    -Imagine this guy being around at the beginning of WWII……

  150. jason says:

    Contrary to Amoral Scumbag’s drivel, the economy and the stock market will rebound after the health crisis is over because the fundamentals were good before it.

    A lot of money exited the stock market but it can come back once there is more confidence the crisis is over.

    Amoral Scumbag is doing what he always does, root against his own country’s economic success because a bad economy is “bad for Trump”.

    It is the same thing you see at MSNBC and CNN, people cheering on the destruction of the economy because NOW maybe they finally have something damaging to Trump.

    Hard to get more despicable, but then nothing is ever too low for Amoral Scumbag.

  151. jason says:

    “Always good to focus on the statements of a cable news boob that riles up voracious consumers of conservative news rather than focus on the actual issue which is the coronavirus that has ground the US economies to an absolute standstill.”

    LOL

    This is the same scumbag and “boob” who has been advocating for a coup against Trump from the day he was elected.

  152. NYCmike says:

    I remember when Robbie, Joe Biden, and all of the liberal media were calling for the cancellation of the Super Bowl………

  153. NYCmike says:

    …..and the NHL and NBA All-Star games……..

  154. lisab says:

    This looks bad for joe.

    https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1240094892438716421
    ———————————-

    i am joe biden

    and i forgot this message

  155. jason says:

    coronavirus that has ground the US economies to an absolute standstill.”

    Another lie of course.

    Amazon is hiring 100k people. Restaurants took a big hit but the lines to get take out are really long everywhere I drive too. Longer than usual I might add, suggesting some of the in store business is being served by take-out. I was at Home Depot today, they are open for business since they are “essential” and the parking lot was at least half full. Food delivery trucks are everywhere. Grocery stores are doing great business. People are still going to doctor’s, dentists, veterinarians. Construction sites are still active. Farms and fisheries and factories are still producing. Trucks still fill the highways. Gas stations are open, including convenience stores. Homes are still being bought and sold.

    So yes, the economy has slowed down, entire industries are very hard hit. Many will take awhile to recover.

    But no, the economy is not “at a standstill”. That is pure MSNBC propaganda.

  156. Tina says:

    This guy is a loon.

    Glenn Kushner, MSNBC’s “legal analyst” says Trump is guilty of negligent homicide and should be prosecuted immediately after leaving office. Wow. What a legal scholar.

    ….and no, you can’t make this up.

  157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is the nightmare scenario. Nursing home with coronavirus:

    “Nearly two dozen people have tested positive for coronavirus at a nursing home in the suburbs of Chicago, state officials announced Tuesday as some 160 cases have been reported in Illinois.

    The Illinois Department of Public Health announced over the weekend that the first resident of the Chateau Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Willowbrook, Ill. had tested positive for COVID-19.

    After “aggressive testing” at the facility in DuPage County, state officials have confirmed an additional 21 cases at the facility, which includes 17 residents and four staff.”

  158. NYCmike says:

    In other news, “Prince Harry” and Meghan Markle released a statement today……..I thought these a-holes were going to Pogo Loco to stay away from the press??

  159. Country Dick Montana says:

    This is the nightmare scenario. Nursing home with coronavirus:

    They found that last night. This is similar to the Life Care facility in Kirkland, WA where 24 deaths have occurred. This thing hits clusters and when it hits the wrong ones the results will be catastrophic.

  160. Tina says:

    And phuq the Commie Chinese gubment and their statements that the Wuhan virus was caused by our army,

    Quote Tweet

    Josh Hawley
    @HawleyMO
    · 3h
    To any multinational corporations that come to Congress asking for taxpayer $$$, you better come prepared to explain how you will move supply chains and jobs back to America if you want my vote

  161. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    163. I am sick and tired of hearing about Prince Harry and Meghan, and their constant whining. They just need to go away and do something productive.

  162. NYCmike says:

    I don’t like those types of statements from Hawley at this time.

    I do think pressure/attention needs to be kept up on the way the Chicoms withhold information, so that more and more people wake up to how they seek to spread their influence, which I consider a negative for freedom and liberty across the globe.

  163. Big Joe says:

    #129 Proud O-
    “BJ, where’s the bottom? why do these conservatives forget the stock market under Obama?”

    No one knows where the bottom is, Proud. There are indicators that could give you some clues, but they are no sure thing. One indicator is the VIX which tracks volatility. Bottoms are typically established during times of low volatility. We are currently experiencing very high volatility as is evident by the 1,000+ moves for seven days straight now.

    As for your second question, I’m not sure if you directed that at me or not, but obviously the government played a big part in turning around losses from the Great Recession. Large stimulus, multiple rounds of QE, 0% interest rates helped to fuel a slow but sustained recovery. From the ’09 bottom, the Dow tripled under President Obama and many of us enjoyed that ride. I guess politics trump everything so that story is not retold in conservative circles.

    Honestly, the government now is going to take similar measures to what would have come from a Clinton administration. The initial response from the Trump administration was very poor but it does appear they have course corrected, and I’m happy about that and you should be as well.

    Big Joe

  164. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, you’re right. Conservatives love to rewrite history. Like how Faux News and the Orange Prick changed their tunes and tried to erase the last few weeks from existence. The soundbytes from the last few weeks will kill the Orange Molestor’s reelection hopes. Claiming it’s a hoax? Telling people to go out? Calling the WA governor a snake? The Dem ad machine should be working overtime from home right now!

    And yeah, market tripled under Obama after W Bush put it into the tank. Market also had huge gains under clinton after Bush Sr put it in the tank. I’m sensing a pattern here LOL.

    #RESIST

  165. lisab says:

    Coronavirus: Porn star says she’ll have sex with boffin who finds COVID-19 cure

    Porn star Lola Taylor is offering sex to the scientists who comes up with a cure for coronavirus. She is currently in isolation amid the COVID-19 outbreak

  166. lisab says:

    A porn star says she’ll have sex with the first scientist who finds a cure for coronavirus.

    Lola Taylor, whose real name is Iyubov Bushueva, is currently in isolation in Moscow, Russia.

    She claims she’ll be arrested if she leaves her home, which is probably why she wants to find treatment as soon as possible.

    In hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will be dealt with more quickly, she offered to bed boffins who find a solution.

    The 27-year-old made the announcement on Instagram – and her fans were very excited by it.

    One responder gushed: “This is how to get young scientists motivated to invent a vaccination.”

  167. Big Joe says:

    Careful now, Proud O. The stock market did great during the Obama years. But it was fueled by debt and fed intervention. A bubble was being created, though not a big one. This was rightfully called out by Candidate Trump during the lead up to the 2016 election.

    Of course, once in office, the Trump administration adopted the very fiscal / monetary policies that they had spent years calling “fake.” The problem was compounded by increased borrowing to fuel the “growth.” The tax cut allowed companies to buy back enormous amounts of their own stock inflating it’s price. Stock market continued to rise but the bubble was now evident to those studying fundamentals. Record borrowing, record deficits, low interest rates are fine during a slowdown. However, during a supposed boom? That was an obvious flashing red flag.

    At the very least, a reversion to the mean was coming. I stopped investing in stocks in 2018 waiting for it. I wasn’t sure when it would come though. The coronavirus was the catalyst.

    Big Joe

  168. Bitterlaw says:

    With courts closed, law firms are laying off attorneys and staff in Philadelphia.

    Laugh if you want. I hate lawyers, too, but this is devastating.

  169. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @170 – the tech.bubble burst in March 2000 – when Clinton was President. The NASDAQ dropped 50% before he left office, if you recall

  170. Big Joe says:

    Michelle,

    If memory serves, the market had a decent recovery between March 2000 and January 2001 when Dubya took office.

    Big Joe

  171. Big Joe says:

    Stock market performance under presidents:
    HW Bush 41.3%
    Clinton 228%
    W Bush -26.5%
    Obama 148.3%
    Trump -3.8%

    Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

    Big Joe

  172. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is surreal.

    “Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Used For Coronavirus Patients

    BALTIMORE, MD (WJZ) — Baltimore Mayor Jack Young urged residents to put down their guns and heed orders to stay home after multiple people were shot Tuesday night amidst the coronavirus pandemic.

    Young said hospital beds are needed to treat positive COVID-19 patients and not for senseless violence. Seven people were shot Tuesday night in the Madison Park neighborhood, as Baltimore reported its fifth positive coronavirus case Wednesday.”

  173. Phil says:

    I wasn’t “focusing” on the MSNBC loon, Robbie. Just giving an example of the kind of sh*t that is flying around in the media. Doesn’t mean I believe the economic calamity that workers are facing is not a crisis. It is indeed a crisis – one that dwarfs the economic crisis we faced 9-11 and 2008-2009. I’m calling the guy out…just like I called out Never Trumper Max Boot who yesterday called on both Trump and VP to resign so Nancy Pelosi (of all people can assume the presidency. Yep, conservative REAL Republican Max Boot.

    If the libs like Schumer and this MSNBC loon try stirring things up with outrageous statements they aren’t going to get a pass from me. Same with stupid statements from Never Trumpers like Boot. Not helpful and, like I said, no pass from me regardless of how bad things get economically..

  174. Proud Obamacon says:

    “HW Bush 41.3%
    Clinton 228%
    W Bush -26.5%
    Obama 148.3%
    Trump -3.8%”

    BANG!!!!! LOL. I like this Big Joe!

  175. Proud Obamacon says:

    But remember, BJ, the current crash is all Obama’s fault!!! LOL we need to get someone in office who knows what he/she is doing. You know I spoke out against Biden, but even he is 100000000x better than the morons in charge now.

    #RESIST

  176. Phil says:

    None of those presidents faced anything like this. Not even close.

  177. Proud Obamacon says:

    “None of those presidents faced anything like this. Not even close.”

    LOL, SAY WHA? None faced such a minor problem, a teeny tiny virus, that will magically disappear in April?

    Wow, I know yall worship at the Orange altar but damn, the stupidity…

  178. jason says:

    LOL

    You didn’t see Proud Obamacommunist touting the stock market numbers when it was close to 30k.

    And when it goes up again, you won’t hear from him.

    What a hypocritical turd.

  179. jason says:

    The Supermassive Black Hole at The Centre of Our Galaxy Is Becoming More Active”

    I want to know what Trump is going to do about this….

  180. Phil says:

    teeny tiny virus

    Yeah.

    Good God.

  181. jason says:

    In Obamacommunists socialist paradise of Venezuela they decided to close down the economy years before the virus hit.

    I have to give credit where credit is due.

  182. Proud Obamacon says:

    Never faced anything like this? Not even close? WTF Phil?
    He has said it was “contained” and “under control” (as McKay Coppins pointed out).

    Orange: “It’s going to disappear” and, “We have very little problem in this country”

    Orange in late Feb: US had “15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

    “We have it under control, total control”

    “I give myself a 10 out of 10”

    “Our response is perfect like the letter was perfect”

    Man, there are a ton more golden quotes that the Dem party better be using for ads right now.

    #RESIST

  183. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason with his usual drivel. I wonder why he gets so triggered when I post facts and use logic? Hmm

    LOL

    #FALLING.KNIFE

  184. jason says:

    Sniff…closest gun store to me is closed. It does say we will reopen on April 1, I hope it is not an April Fool’s joke.

    I don’t see how they don’t consider themselves essential.

  185. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @180 yes but thats obviously not the whole story.

    Clinton had a GOP congress from 94-2000 that clamped down spending and enacted tons of tax cuts, producing a surplus.

    Obama had a GOP congress from 2010-2016 that put an end to his spending spree, made 85% of the Bush tax cuts permanent, and basically ended his agenda for good

  186. jason says:

    Man, there are a ton more golden quotes that the Dem party better be using for ads right now.”

    Let’s see who has the best quotes if Biden is the nominee.

  187. Phil says:

    Yeah, Venezuela was ahead of the curve.

    Congrats to PO’s Marxist buds down south. LOL

  188. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @180 and of course the deficits came down by over $1T. year once Obama lost control of Congress

  189. jason says:

    Proud Obamacommunist wants to bet against America.

    He won’t be the first or the last to make that mistake.

  190. jason says:

    You won’t hear this from the MSM.

    As late as January the Chinese were still claiming there was no human to human contagion risk.

    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/18/who-claimed-in-january-wuhan-virus-couldnt-be-transmitted-to-humans-because-china-said-it-wasnt-contagious-destroyed-evidence/

  191. Country Dick Montana says:

    IIRC W had two Black Swan events, 9/11 and the housing crash. I still would like to know how he personally could have prevented those. W’s high was about Dow high was about 14000 in October 2007 with Fed rate at 4.75%. Obama had 0% through 2015 and it took until February 2013 to get back to 14000. Unemployment stayed fairly high. Trump was doing well, albeit running big deficits and relativly low rates, until what is considered a true Black Swan. Nothing that he can do about China, Italy or the rest of the world. And in comparison he is doing about as well as a FREE society can.

  192. Proud Obamacon says:

    Notice when Jason loses an argument, he starts talking about Venezuela, North Korea, Stalin, etc etc

    Now he’s not even trying to debate his point. He posts about Venezuela as his very first post when I post something. Speaks Volumes! Such a light weight! LOL

    #RESIST

  193. jason says:

    With courts closed, law firms are laying off attorneys and staff in Philadelphia.

    Laugh if you want. I hate lawyers, too, but this is devastating.”

    Hmmmm……. donations to Dems are going to take a huge hit.

  194. Proud Obamacon says:

    And Jason’s buddy Phil went from saying this virus was nothing to now saying that no president from 1992 on ” faced anything like this. Not even close.”

    Maybe he forgot about 9/11 or the financial crisis.

    So in his head, in a matter of a few days (following Orange and Fox News turn), this went from a media hoax to the biggest problem in 30 years. What a tool! Go tune in to Fox News so you know what you are supposed to post. LOL

    Wow the stupidity on this site, unreal!

  195. jason says:

    Now he’s not even trying to debate his point.”

    Zzzzz….

    What would I debate with you exactly?

    Your brainwashed ideas about the benefits of Leninism and Stalinism?

    Reminisce about the golden days of your failed USSR?

    How we should be emulate Cuba?

    Sorry, your ideology is making a comeback with Biden as the nominee, but the failures of communism are beyond debate.

  196. Proud Obamacon says:

    “What would I debate with you exactly?

    Your brainwashed ideas about the benefits of Leninism and Stalinism?

    Reminisce about the golden days of your failed USSR?

    How we should be emulate Cuba?”

    Again, making up chit. Find me the posts where I said any of the above. Or admit you are a liar.

  197. jason says:

    Wow the stupidity on this site, unreal!”

    I know, you do have an influence.

    You would be amazed on how the IQ average here goes up when you are back at the Marxist sites.

  198. Phil says:

    OMG. This turd thinks trolling is somehow debating.

    Geez

  199. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason is really adding nothing other than personal attacks and making things up about me. Basically acting like a textbook troll. You are hereby ignored.

    Enjoy your fairy tale where everyone with a D next to their name worships Venezuela and dreams of 1000% inflation and loves empty store shelves.

    Fact is that time after time, it is the Democrats who are most competent and responsible. It’s the ReTHUGS who don’t have a clue. Look at the numbers posted by BJ, numbers don’t lie. These are #FACTS. I know you don’t care about them, you make up your own facts to feel better about your sorry existence. It’s sad.

  200. Proud Obamacon says:

    Go back and read the posts and tell me who’s trolling. Remember the definition of trolling – someone who adds nothing to the discussion but resorts to inflammatory and personal attacks to solicit a response. I’m no longer feeding that troll.

  201. Phil says:

    You fit your own definition perfectly, pal.

  202. Country Dick Montana says:

    What would Obama had done differently in the same situation? How would he have stemmed the spread of Covid-19? Could he have done more testing earlier? Maybe, but it still would likely have spread to vunerable groups and the number of deaths would likely be similar. Right now everyone in US knows what they have to do, but based on what we are seeing at Spring break, there are a lot of people who aren’t doing what they need to. Would Obama lock them up?

    I am not interested in Trump’s ramblings, as his actions especially of late have been fine, good enough for Cuomao and Newsome to so as much. Again, the central question is What Would Obama (or Biden, or Bernie) have done differently?

  203. Big Joe says:

    Well another down day. At this point, I would not be surprised at all to see the Dow go down to 15,000 over the next few months. Perhaps we get some stablization around the 18,000-20,000 levels.

    But I think there will be more downward pressure as earnings start rolling in. Negative GDP growth is likely in Q1 and Q2 and likely beyond that. It remains to be seen if all that negative news is priced in, or if the fall continues.

    That said, if you have a long term outlook, there are some great deals out there. However, this is a stock picker’s market more than an index fund / ETF market.

    Big Joe

  204. NYCmike says:

    To see what Obama would have done, should we look at 2009 for a sign?

  205. Proud Obamacon says:

    “What would Obama had done differently in the same situation?”

    Well to start off, he would have NOT fired the pandemic response team.

    He would have taken this threat seriously from Day 1.

    He would have put together an incredible response team. And you all know, that I fully approve of the response team and have posted that I think Pence is doing a great job.

    He would NOT have interjected himself into the process saying stupid chit like banning Europe travel, tax cuts

    He would have calmed the nation instead of confusing the nation.

    That’s just a start …

    I know you’ll respond to each point by saying how much Obama sucked… zzz

    #RESIST

  206. Phil says:

    Obama. Declared a national emergency on the swine flu….1000 dead before he got around to it it.

    I think that gives us a pretty good idea how he would have handled things.

    Now run along.

  207. Country Dick Montana says:

    I know you’ll respond to each point by saying how much Obama sucked… zzz

    Where have I said that previously?

  208. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yeah the Swine flu whataboutism .. nice try Phil.

    Swine flu: first case was reported on April 15, 2009 in California, and the government declared H1N1 a public health emergency on the April 26. The first test to detect the new virus was approved by the FDA two days later.

    These are called FACTS. What you post is called LIES.

    Try again, sport.

    I’ve wasted enough time here today.. Maybe i’ll check back in tonight if I feel bored. Later.

  209. Country Dick Montana says:

    Trump did disband the pandemic team – OK

    He asked for funding on 2/24. First death was 3/1.

    Banned Travel from China on 2/1 one month before the first death.

    The travel ban from Europe probably should have been done earlier based on what we are seeing now. Also most of the early cases were people who had traveled to China and Europe and not community infection.

    He could have done better at the beginning, but I give him credit for stepping up his game.

    Remember that we have only 133 deaths in about 3 weeks of this. 91 of them are in WA, NY and CA.

  210. Big Joe says:

    “He could have done better at the beginning, but I give him credit for stepping up his game.”

    I agree with Dick. I hope that we can pull together and overcome this national challenge. As a Democrat, I think it’s important to put this in writing.

    Proud O, I would encourage you to do the same.

    Big Joe

  211. Tina says:

    China commies covered up and refused to provide its samples as requested by the us back I. January. A timeline is here:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1240353591975698434

  212. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    8 months and 4000 Americans died before Obama declared a national emergency, FWIW

  213. VictrC says:

    PO

    You lose credibility in your argument when you state proven falsehoods.

    1. He did not call it a hoax. Every major media organization has stated that is false including leftist snoopers and ultra leftist WAPO. He called the Democrats politicization of the virus a hoax. That’s a fact. Happy to share this from snopes: “ “Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.” VERDICT: FALSE

    Next, your claim he disbanded the pandemic team. Again, false. Before you regurgitate talking points, please find the following first person account, where he CLEARLY states that the pandemic team WAS NOT disbanded. I guess he’s a liar, despite working in it and being a part of the team.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/?fbclid=IwAR2stwOO6D3GRFBE00y40oXWEy7Jgl54Ohqi6F2zEiMczz5ECzAu8gbfVVk

    The rest of your argument is pure conjecture and opinion. This crisis is literally less than 45 days old. Testing, that is really the only thing liberals have, there should have been more testing earlier. When? A month ago? Ok. so question, was Trump supposed to manufacture the tests that didn’t exists? Was he supposed to order companies to spend money and create tests?

    Should there be criticism that a couple weeks ago he was too cavalier. Yes. Ill give you that. But I guess that’s the world we live in now, once you take a position you can never go back. You can’t change as data arrives and we learn more about something that didn’t exist before.

    If that is the standard then Obama should absolutely be held accountable for all 12,000+ deaths on his watch during swine flu. Oh wait, that won’t count because it was Obama and he’s above reproach and criticism. You can only be criticized if you are a Republican. Got it.

    BTW I don’t think he should be criticized for the swine flu outbreak or his response.

  214. Tina says:

    This is a problem.. that is why, true dope is an idiot.

    Need to Seal Canada and Mexico quickly.

    Ezra Levant ?
    @ezralevant
    ·
    10m
    TRUDEAU LIED AGAIN: In less than five hours, a jet full of passengers from Shanghai, China will land in Vancouver, Canada.

    Follow along in real time and watch China Eastern Airlines Flight 597 make its way across the ocean.

  215. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://time.com/5805823/seattle-nursing-home-coronavirus-investigation/

    30 Deaths or nearly 20% of all deaths nationally directly related to Life Care Center of Kirkland. Spread by infected employees who possibly worked at multiple facilities. Washington is up to 66 Deaths. If they were their own country they would be ranked #9 in the world

  216. jason says:

    32% of Rs are idiots? Or maybe they are watching Fox News, I hope that is the case.

    Needless to say, the media is more interested in politicizing crisis than combating it. A new poll of U.S. adults from Rasmussen Reports has found that people are taking notice, with most rating the media’s coverage as either “fair” or “poor” as opposed to “good” or “excellent.”

    Among all adults, 42% found the media’s coverage to be excellent or good, while 21% found it fair, and 32% poor (with 5% not sure). There was a clear partisan divide, with Republicans more likely to have negative views of current coverage than the average respondent, and Democrats a more positive view. Only 32% of Republicans found reporting to be excellent or good, while 26% found it fair, and 41% voted it negatively (with only 2% not sure). The numbers for Democrats were 60% excellent/good, 16% fair, and 18% poor (with 5% not sure).

    Interestingly enough, the political demographic that rated the media’s coverage the second worst are those who don’t affiliate with either party. Among the unaffiliated (who could be either independents or swing voters), 32% rated coverage excellent or good, while 60% rated it fair or poor (and 9% not sure).

    It’s a disservice that the media is politicizing a public health crisis, but the demographic that ultimately decides elections isn’t buying it.”

  217. jason says:

    “We reported on how China allegedly covered-up information about the Wuhan virus, from stopping labs and doctors from reporting what was happening to telling the WHO that the virus wasn’t contagious in humans.

    Now a study by the University of Southhampton is indicating that had China taken measures earlier to address the virus that they could have prevented about 95 per cent of the infections that have now spread throughout the world.

    But China only began to take real actions in January, weeks after the virus had been discovered and after they tried to silence people about it. It was that failure of action that allowed it to be distributed all over the world.”

  218. jason says:

    Who?

    “Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, the last Republican challenging President Donald Trump in the 2020 Republican primary, ended his longshot presidential bid Wednesday.”

  219. Tina says:

    But will the Boston alcoholic endorse trump?

    Sounds like the Illinois kkk has gone all in with Cccp.

  220. Tina says:

    Does anybody want to know about the Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the Chinese virus coverup?

    Thinking he is swimming with the fishes or chopped up somewhere on a road.

  221. jason says:

    I really didn’t come here to get into an argument with a Marxist loser like Obamacommunist.

    I came here to find out what color is Walt’s poop today.

  222. jason says:

    Trump did disband the pandemic team – OK\

    This is BS

    ” official who once ran the White House pandemic program dismissed a false Democratic talking point that Trump eliminated the pandemic-response team and criticized reporters for parroting the claim in news stories.

    “No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there,” wrote former National Security Council adviser Tim Morrison for the Washington Post on Monday.

    “It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, ‘dissolved the office’ at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness,” Morrison wrote. “Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.”

    He asked for funding on 2/24. First death was 3/1.

    Banned Travel from China on 2/1 one month before the first death.

    The travel ban from Europe probably should have been done earlier based on what we are seeing now. Also most of the early cases were people who had traveled to China and Europe and not community infection.

    He could have done better at the beginning, but I give him credit for stepping up his game.”

    Well, hindsight is 20/20. You can’t judge him on the information you know now, you have to judge him on the info he had available at the time.

    I think he did the best he could with the info he had available. While he appeared to be sugarcoating the dangers in public, he was actually taking the right steps.

  223. Country Dick Montana says:

    “I think he did the best he could with the info he had available.”

    That’s pretty much what I was trying to say. Those are the things that PO said that Obama would do, and with the exception of the misfire on the fist one (mea culpa) just pointing out that Trump was doing what he claims Obama would do.

  224. NYCmike says:

    ““I think he did the best he could with the info he had available.””

    -Can’t recall any…….Was there a peep by anyone about shutting down the Super Bowl from happening?

  225. Country Dick Montana says:

    First death in PA. Also Beaver CO. in western PA has asked Shell to close down construction of the multibillion dollar cracker plant. 8000 union construction jobs.

  226. Tina says:

    And going back to January

    Who, a corrupt agency governed by commie China, said it could not be transmitted person to person.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/flashback-who-idiots-in-january-said-no-clear-evidence-of-human-to-human-transmission-of-coronavirus/

  227. PresidentPaul! says:

    Kudlow Says US “May Take Equity Position” As Part Of Coming Bailouts

  228. jason says:

    MSNBC:

    RichardEngel: “This is a virus that came from the territory of China but came from bats. This is a bat virus, not a China virus. It doesn’t speak Chinese. It doesn’t target Chinese people. It targets human beings who happen to touch their eyes, nose or mouth.”

  229. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/mario-diaz-balart-coronavirus/index.html

    The first member of Congress to test positive for the Kung Flu. Uh Oh!
    Of course, a RRH poster blames the Florida Governor.

  230. VictrC says:

    Screw China. I actually agree with the President on this one, calling it the China virus after they tried to pin blame on our troops. He looked dead into that reporters eyes today and said no one is going to try to pin something like this on our soldiers. Not on my watch.

    Good for him. I think after a day or two he should go back to Corona, he’s made his point.

  231. PresidentPaul! says:

    Jobs report will be atrocious next week. Get ready for another -10% if you own STONKS.

    and don’t say no one warned you since I’ve been posting on this daily since early January aka JustTheFlu.

  232. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.ft.com/content/01f267a2-686c-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75

    I need to get a copy of this financialtimes of this but Bernake and Yellen coauthored an oped today noting Powell needs to buy US equities.

    Suppose I’ll buy a copy of a the magazine at local bookstore.

  233. jasonj says:

    and don’t say no one warned you since I’ve been posting on this daily since early January aka JustTheFlu.”

    Gold prices today fall sharply again, down for seventh day in eight”

    And don’t say I didn’t warn you, I have told you gold is for suckers since 1980.

  234. PresidentPaul! says:

    Immigrants that came to USA having escaped communism elsewhere whether in Cuba, Venezuela, or Vietnam come to elect Bernie and the Democrats as usual!

    Flashback:
    Crazed Democrat Invokes Communist Vietnam to Announce She Will Vote to Impeach Trump

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/crazed-democrat-invokes-communist-vietnam-to-announce-she-will-vote-to-impeach-trump


    As someone who escaped communism, I’ve always cherished America’s fidelity to the rule of law. The evidence presented during the impeachment inquiry makes clear to me the President abused his power and obstructed Congress. That’s why I will vote to impeach him. #FL07 #FlaPol https://twitter.com/Fla_Pol/status

  235. PresidentPaul! says:

    #244

    Actually gold spot price is up YTD

  236. Cash Cow TM says:

    testing…

  237. Cash Cow TM says:

    Both polls at top of thread are RV voters, which raises obvious questions…

  238. Cash Cow TM says:

    Thanks, Dave, for fixing things here… 🙂

  239. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-nasa-dm-2-crew-dragon-launch-date/

    SpaceX, NASA ready for first crewed launch from US soil in almost a decade

  240. PresidentPaul! says:

    Crew Dragon Animation

    https://youtu.be/sZlzYzyREAI

    SpaceX will soon demonstrate Crew Dragon’s ability to safely and reliably carry astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

  241. jason says:

    Immigrants that came to USA having escaped communism elsewhere whether in Cuba, Venezuela, or Vietnam come to elect Bernie and the Democrats as usual!”

    They probably vote more for Republicans than Paulbots do.

    Cuban-American mostly vote Republican. So do most Venezuelans that escaped Chavez-Maduro.

    As far as Vietnamese:

    “According to a 2012 Pew Research Center survey, 47 percent of registered Vietnamese-American voters leaned Republican and 32 percent Democratic; among Vietnamese Americans overall (including non-registered voters), 36 percent leaned Democratic and 35 percent Republican.”

    Bunu, GFY.

  242. jason says:

    Of course, it depends where you live. It is possible that the Vietnamese Americans in CA are more Democrat than those in TX.

    In any case, since many are small business owners, they should vote for Trump.

  243. jason says:

    I came here to find out what color is Walt’s poop today.”

    Can we get an update?

  244. jason says:

    Coronavirus has changed my routine drastically.

    Got up at 4, fed the llamas, had a huge breakfast, told Bunu to GFH.

    Huh, I guess not.

  245. jason says:

    Actually gold spot price is up YTD”

    Idiots that panicked sold their stocks to put the money into gold got screwed twice.

    https://www.goldline.com/charts-news/gold-charts

  246. Cash Cow TM says:

    jason says:
    March 19, 2020 at 9:14 am
    I came here to find out what color is Walt’s poop today.”

    Walt said to tell you he made it green on St. Patrick’s Day.

    Since then it has been normal and all systems go.

  247. Tina says:

    Went to get donuts really quickly. My supermarket looks like a battle zone.

  248. jason says:

    Much better than gold

    “As the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted through 20,000 this week, one of its stocks is holding up against the sell-off.

    Walmart, the world’s largest bricks-and-mortar retailer, has risen more than 13% in March as consumers stockpile amid the coronavirus crisis. The gain puts it on track for its best month since 2014. The Dow, meanwhile, is down more than 20% over the same period.

  249. jason says:

    Supermarkets calmed down around here.

    Toilet paper is back.

    Plenty of food, but they are restricting milk and bread and toilet paper to two items each.

  250. Florida Guy says:

    Bank of America declared a recession now. JP Morgan Chase says the worst impact will be 2Q, when it cause a 14% (annualized rate) shrinkage. Then an 8% recovery in 3Q. Question: Does Trump then beat Biden?

    –FG

  251. jason says:

    “People with blood type A might be more susceptible to coronavirus, study finds”

    Type O has the lowest rate of infection.

    But you O types shouldn’t celebrate, the differences are small.

  252. jason says:

    Some good news.

    China reports no new cases for the first day.

  253. jason says:

    “The Chinese National Health Commission said on Thursday that there were 34 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on the mainland during Wednesday, but all were imported from overseas. There were no new cases of any kind reported during Wednesday in the city of Wuhan nor its surrounding Hubei province, the original epicenter of the virus outbreak.”

  254. jason says:

    Here are the numbers from Italy, the country hardest hit at the moment.

    Hard to see any good news in the figures, but there are a couple. 92% of the cases are mild, and the number of deaths a day seems to have stabilized even with more cases.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

  255. Phil says:

    Anyone happen to see Rick Wilson’s tweet yesterday wishing that Malania get infected by the virus?

    Forget the virus for a minute. The Never Trumpers are the sick ones. Wilson, Tom Nichols, Nichole Wallace, Jennifer Rubin, Kristol, Steve Schmidt, Boot, the whole lot of them.

    They are absolutely eaten up with it.

  256. jason says:

    This will change, more tests mean more cases.

    But the fact is at the moment only 64 cases are considered serious in the US.

    It makes you wonder if we should really wreck the economy over this instead of just isolating the more at-risk population.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

  257. Wobbles says:

    Me, me, me, Phil.

    You forgot me.

  258. Tina says:

    Even Scarfarce has “moderated” himself a bit.

    Wilson is a vile punk.

  259. jason says:

    Hmmm… I doubt Fauci would say this if he didn’t think it might happen. We can always hope.

    “According to the New York Post, Fauci was asked about Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s comment that the outbreak might hit its peak in 45 days or about May 1. Fauci said, “It’s possible.” But he said that he didn’t want to give a definitive time and be locked into it. He said that “45 days is not unreasonable.” But he was careful not to commit to that number. “When you get a number, you own the number,” he said. “If the number does not come out then you are in trouble.”

  260. Tina says:

    Looks like an old (cheap) drug to treat malaria may help.

    A therapeutic agent that prevents infection with novel coronavirus is highly desirable–especially for persons with high-risk exposure (e.g healthcare professionals) as well as persons with comorbidities (heart disease, diabetes, etc) and compromised immune systems. Ground-breaking in vitro studies demonstrate potential efficacy of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic for novel coronavirus infection in primate cells.

    Note: Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an inexpensive, globally available drug (tablet) that was approved for widespread medical use since 1955. It is commonly used today to treat malaria, systemic lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.

    https://twitter.com/RiganoESQ/status/1240273631604809728

  261. PresidentPaul! says:

    #267

    Problem is not adapting the same standards the health care industry are adopting. The Atlanta Georgia hospital initially followed the CDC having any employees that were known to have been exposed to corona sent home for self isolation for 14 days to avoid infecting other staff and patients etc. Only they lost almost 150 employees in one day and they would have had to shut down so they were all called back in.

    They then revised their criteria so that to go home sick you need two requirements.
    1) exposure to known test positive corona
    2) develop some sort of symptoms aka cough, fever etc.
    At that point they were sent home.

    This criteria allowed them to have adequate staff and still have reasonable safety level.

    No tell me why we should be shutting down a 4000 person auto plat Ford, GM, Chrysler etc bc they get one positive case in the factory so we shut the entire thing down for “safety.”

    Shutting down a movie theater is different than closing a factory, but apparently society has NO COMMON SENSE.

  262. jason says:

    Heh, the Chinese media themselves called it the Wuhan Virus.

    Before it became “racist”

    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/19/china-calls-wuhan-virus-racist-but-their-state-media-called-it-that-themselves/

  263. PresidentPaul! says:

    #271
    Don’t get too excited. Abbie just failed its trial of kaletra, which is basically very similar to what Gilead has been claiming will work aka Remdesivir. If one fails they probably both fail.

    So the jury is still out on chloroquine and high dose vit C and all the other stuff we’ve been hearing about for months.

  264. jason says:

    Dow is up a little.

    We won’t see roadkill maggot Obamacommunist here unless it dips.

  265. Tina says:

    Thanks, dr. Bubu.

    You sound more excited about this though.

  266. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Have The Japanese Come Up With A Coronavirus Cure?

    Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

    Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

    “It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

    https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/19/japanese-come-coronavirus-cure/

  267. Tina says:

    The Russian hoaxers will say otherwise:

    Josh Jordan
    @NumbersMuncher
    · 13h
    These are true and verifiable with a quick Google search:

    1. COVID-19 originated in China
    2. The Chinese government actively tried to cover it up, leading to faster/wider spread
    3. The Chinese govt is now trying to blame the US and curry favor with our allies

    It’s that simple.

  268. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    The First U.S. Company Has Announced an Upcoming Home COVID-19 Test

    Everlywell, a home testing company that offers dozens of lab tests to consumers, is adding a COVID-19 test beginning on March 23.

    …the Food and Drug Administration allowed certified labs, including commercial lab testing companies, to develop and distribute COVID-19 tests on Feb. 29. Though other private companies have been involved with creating tests for COVID-19, this is the first company to offer its test directly to consumers.

    https://time.com/5805953/home-covid-19-test-everlywell/

  269. Country Dick Montana says:

    One thing that seems to be popping out is that so many of the deaths from covid-19 are happening in clusters within nursing homes. i.e. Louisiana has 8 deaths of which 4 are from the Lambeth House facility. At least 30 from Life Care in Kirkland, WA. The 21 [atients at the home in DuPage Co, IL will probably mean a spike in about a week in IL

  270. Proud Obamacon says:

    Like I said yesterday, I’ll be nibbling at Dow 18,000. I only came here today to read BJ’s market comments but I see he hasn’t posted today. Come on, BJ, where u at bruh?

    #RESIST

  271. Proud Obamacon says:

    I also want to say that I approve of the relief bill. Great job by Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats. This bill was crafted by them entirely and they dared the ReTHUGs to balk at it.

    It was good that the ReTHUGs adopted progressive policies to help save out economy. Who knew? Progressive policies actually work and have the full endorsement of ReTHUGS and HHR! WOW!

  272. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @282 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….

  273. VictrC says:

    Progressive measures my a*s. These are one time measures in an emergency, not permanent giveaways to lazy liberals who don’t want to work and have those of us who do pay for them to sit on their backsides and tell everyone how much they hate America.

    As well, Pelosi didn’t craft anything. All she tried to do was get more free abortions put into the bill. That was her contribution.

  274. Victrc says:

    Jason.

    I actually saw this last night from someone trying to explain social distancing. They said, imagine creating a space where an adult llama could fit between you and another person. That’s how far away you should be.

    I kid you not.

  275. Phil says:

    284

    Bingo.

  276. Tina says:

    Bubu that drug is going forwarded. People can request it.

    This is breaking news per the Coronavirus presser.

  277. Tina says:

    Piglosi and the drats are on vacay. They are not doing anything on phase 3.

  278. Tina says:

    Dr. Brix should be the main speaker in these pressers.

    She is great and speaks clearly.

    Nothing against Dr. fauci.

  279. Hugh says:

    Fauci is a fear monger. First he says don’t panic and then he gives 50 reasons to panic. But now we are stuck with the path we r on.

  280. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://bpnews.com/index.php/publications/magazine/archive/2324-no-hydraulic-fracturing-waste-found-in-streams-study-finds

    So much for fracing causes pollution in groundwater debate. Study performed by the USGS and partially funded by the PA Department of Environmental Protection.

  281. jason says:

    “Progressive measures”

    Entitlements and free goodies to blood sucking parasites like Proud Obamacommunist, who thinks Stalinism will provide him with even more goodies.

    It shows you what a brainwashed moron he is.

  282. jason says:

    Dow is actually up a little.

    Surprised the road kill maggot even showed up here.

  283. jason says:

    I think Fauci is fine.

    So far I have seen nothing he has said that hasn’t been true.

    He readily admits that he wants to err on the side of caution, and he wants to try to stay ahead of the curve.

  284. Country Dick Montana says:

    Oil is Up 22%, of course after dropping 18% yesterday.

  285. jason says:

    This bill was crafted by them entirely and they dared the ReTHUGs to balk at it.”

    Hello?

    They did balk at it and took out most of the garbage Pelosi despicably tried to sneak in to take advantage of the situation.

  286. jason says:

    They said, imagine creating a space where an adult llama could fit between you and another person.”

    I have to have distance between me and my llamas?

    Noooooooo…

  287. Tina says:

    ??? ?? ?????
    @wutingzy
    · 2h
    Central China TV
    “Expert” : “The US pushed out the vaccine so quickly, that only means they have been working on it way before the pandemic.”
    Host: “So we can conclude that the US had this virus in their possession long ago”

    CCP nonstop smear campaign

  288. jason says:

    ReTHUGs”

    When you have as low an IQ as the communist, you think this is really clever.

  289. jason says:

    This is brilliant thinking.

    The US released the virus in China so it could spread to the US and destroy the US economy.

  290. Messy says:

    278. I thought you didn’t believe that the Russin hoaxers existed, Tina. I remember you didn’t believe that the Covid19 was mostly a mild cold and its fatality was a “Democrat hoax.”
    288. Moscow Mitch disinvited them. So why stay?

  291. VictrC says:

    Well, if it was on Central China TV expect to see it show up as fact on CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WAPO, CBS, ABC et al

  292. jason says:

    Marxist Leninist blood sucking parasite hardest hit.

    “Pelosi suggested the final deal would be slimmer than the ambitious plan Democrats released Wednesday.

    The plan also provides enhanced unemployment benefits, additional state Medicaid dollars and additional resources for food security programs, such as meals for students and seniors, according to a letter Pelosi issued to colleagues Thursday night. The administration agreed to end work requirements for food stamps in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, during the coronavirus crisis, Pelosi wrote.

    Democrats originally proposed a permanent mandate that employers provide paid leave for all sick workers nationwide, plus an additional temporary measure to address the current need to allow sick workers to stay home. Republicans said the ideas were too broad and would take too long to implement, advocating for a narrower approach. The permanent program does not appear to be in the final version”

  293. Cash Cow TM says:

    Cow has been ruminating about things….

    ################################################

    1. If everybody in America got tested for Coronavirus 19 what good would that do?

    You could get tested today and pass the test, but get the virus tomorrow.

    OR could you be infected but not showing symptoms and therefore “pass” the test?
    ________________
    2. How long can somebody be a carrier of the CV 19? And once they are “better” and recovered, can other people get it from them?
    _______________________
    3. If I am taking food and things to older couples to help them out, how do I know if I might be infecting them or not?

    Are all restaurant employees tested for CV-19 and stamped safe, so they do not become typhoid/CV-19 Marys?

    3. Once you get CV-19, how long before symptoms appear?
    ___________________
    4. Everybody ordering food to be delivered…how do they know that the delivery is not contaminated with CV-19 at the restaurant by some worker or the delivery person?

    5. How long will it be before it will be safe for people to come out of their bunkers? does the CV-19 just lurk around and grab you when you exit your bunker? or should we just go ahead and cancel Christmas now?

    6. Do we know for sure that the CV19 was not already in the U.S. some months ago?

    7. Is the CDC categorizing people as to whether they have dreaded CV-19, or not so bad CV-19 lite”? (are the NBA players who have tested positive “dreaded” or “lite”?

  294. jason says:

    1. If everybody in America got tested for Coronavirus 19 what good would that do?”

    A lot.

    The reason South Korea was successful was that they were able to do massive testing to weed out the positive cases quickly and isolate them.

  295. NYCmike says:

    “3. Once you get CV-19, how long before symptoms appear?”

    -Estimates range from 2 days to 14 days…….or not at all.

  296. jason says:

    Do we know for sure that the CV19 was not already in the U.S. some months ago?”

    It wasn’t here before the outbreak in China.

    Whether some infected people got through before the travel ban came into effect is entirely possible.

  297. Messy says:

    From the day before the SC Primary:

    Tina says:
    February 29, 2020 at 10:53 am

    How many deaths in the U..s from muh corona?

    Just to remind y’all, you were happily joking about this horrible tragedy until very recently. I remember how most of you slammed me down because President Trump was saying stuff like “It’s only 15 people and will soon be down to zero” Or when he said he didn’t want those cruise ship passengers to get off the boat so the numbers wouldn’t go up. Trump didn’t invent Covid19, bunor did he deliberately import it on our shores. But his malignant dawdling Is the reason that we’re going through what we’re going through.

  298. jason says:

    ow long will it be before it will be safe for people to come out of their bunkers”

    I am not in a bunker.

    Today I was in a grocery store, post office and bank. I try to take normal precautions, washing hands frequently, certainly not going to any crowded places.

    It involves more risk than if I stayed home, but
    if I do start having symptoms I will definitely quarantine myself until I die or recover.

  299. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hello? The bill originated in the House and passed the Senate with ZERO changes. It’s the House bill that was signed into law. Damn, people just make up whatever they want on here.

    #RESIST

  300. jason says:

    But his malignant dawdling Is the reason that we’re going through what we’re going through.”

    You are a moron.

    He didn’t dawdle, he took step ignorant asses like you called “racist” and “xenophobic”.

    If he hadn’t we would have a lot more cases.

    While on one hand he was trying to avoid disrupting the economy as much as possible, on the other he was taking the necessary steps to deal with a more pessimistic scenario.

    Those are the facts. The rest is TDS.

  301. NYCmike says:

    Proud Obamacon,

    Write Joe Biden, and every other Democratic politician, to make sure they campaign on these promises of free st*ff for **everyone**.

  302. Messy says:

    308, Yeah, we do.
    299. The CV19 is not the only coronavirus. The common cold is a coronavirus. There are lots of them. this is the first one that’s deadly.

  303. jason says:

    But his malignant dawdling Is the reason that we’re going through what we’re going through.”

    LOL

    Are you calling Pelosi a liar?

    The Republicans took out the garbage about abortion and made sure these entitlements are not permanent.

    “Pelosi suggested the final deal would be slimmer than the ambitious plan Democrats released Wednesday

    Democrats originally proposed a permanent mandate that employers provide paid leave for all sick workers nationwide, plus an additional temporary measure to address the current need to allow sick workers to stay home. Republicans said the ideas were too broad and would take too long to implement, advocating for a narrower approach. The permanent program does not appear to be in the final version”

  304. jason says:

    Hello? The bill originated in the House and passed the Senate with ZERO changes. It’s the House bill that was signed into law. Damn, people just make up whatever they want on here.”

    LOL

    The roadkill maggot calls Pelosi a liar.

    “Pelosi suggested the final deal would be slimmer than the ambitious plan Democrats released Wednesday

    Democrats originally proposed a permanent mandate that employers provide paid leave for all sick workers nationwide, plus an additional temporary measure to address the current need to allow sick workers to stay home. Republicans said the ideas were too broad and would take too long to implement, advocating for a narrower approach. The permanent program does not appear to be in the final version”

  305. Messy says:

    312. Not nearly as much as you. He may have had that travel ban, which would have been done by anyone else, but most of what he did between January and early this month was worse than useless.

  306. Tina says:

    Messy lsd, I called for the travel ban with your Chinese commie friends way before the president even announced it.

    Your commie friends here called it racist.

    Phuq off.

  307. jason says:

    No changes my ass.

    “Under the original House-passed bill, workers would receive up to 10 days of paid sick leave, though in the case of employees forced out of work to care for sick family members or children in schools that have closed, they’d receive two-thirds the regular rate of pay.

    They’d also receive up to 12 weeks of job-protected paid leave, though after the second week pay could drop by one-third at employers’ discretion.

    The new language would limit paid family leave to occasions when an employee is unable to work — either onsite or remotely, a change from the earlier bill — due to the need to care for a son or daughter under age 18 if their school or place of care has closed. It also clarifies that paid leave cannot exceed $200 per day or $10,000 total.

    In the earlier House bill, the circumstances allowed for paid family leave were broader, including complying with an order or recommendation from a public official, or to care for another family member who has been exposed to the virus or is showing symptoms.

    The new paid sick leave language also lays out a narrower list of qualifying circumstances, though it continues to allow sick leave for employees who experience symptoms and are seeking a diagnosis, or are caring for children if their school or place of care is closed.”

  308. Proud Obamacon says:

    Two bills have already been signed into law. They passed the House easily and the Senate made no changes. I don’t know why Jason has so much trouble with simple reading.

  309. Tina says:

    The first two bills did nothing much for the American workers.

    The senate will have to fix it as Piglosi is lost in space.

  310. Messy says:

    Snopes on Trump calling corona a “hoax.”https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
    While he didn’t call the existence of the virus itself a hoax, he called the accurate predictions as to what would happen with it was a hoax, and that it was nothing to worry about. Sen.Richard Burr said that Trump wanted nothing to be done.

  311. Proud Obamacon says:

    I know there is legislation in progress. I was commenting on the bills already signed. Yall can’t waste a second before starting the namecalling and attacks. It’s really sad.

  312. Proud Obamacon says:

    #322 Of course, it was just “going to disappear”, remember? POOF and it will be gone.

    “Like a miracle”

    Get this incompetent buffoon out of office.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  313. Tina says:

    So, now you are into the secrete tape of Burr?

    You do realize that burrs comments reflected public information from the CDC.

    You fell for another hoax.

  314. jason says:

    “… he didn’t call the existence of the virus itself a hoax…”

    You could have stopped there, because that IS the fact.

    The rest is BS and innuendo.

  315. lisab says:

    actually trump seems to be doing a good job with this

    other than ordering a complete shut down, i don’t see what else he could do

  316. Robbie says:

    Jake Sherman
    @JakeSherman
    NEWS, from the closed Senate GOP lunch:
    @LindseyGrahamSC
    just told his Republican colleagues that he is trying to convince TRUMP to oppose direct payments in PHASE THREE bill— as is new WH COS, Mark Meadows.

    – I’m glad to see the same morons who got almost everything wrong for the last decade are still getting things wrong today.

    The only thing that will help people is direct payments. A payroll tax doesn’t help someone who is not on a payroll anymore. Of course, I’m assuming these two fools realize that.

    This isn’t the same as a regular recession/depression where bad decisions led to bad economics. A virus wiped out demand. That’s no one’s fault except for the Chinese who initially lied about it.

  317. Proud Obamacon says:

    #222
    VC

    Yes, your Orange Hero fired the pandemic response team. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/?collection-id=238766

    Yes, your Orange Hero use the term “hoax” in context of corona virus and his response.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/?collection-id=238766
    “During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying “this is their new hoax.” During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.”

    I know you can’t wait to score points, but you scored a ZERO this time. These things are called #FACTS.

  318. Robbie says:

    I’m see Jason fraud and Tinfoil Tina are still down in the bunker with Dear Leader Don.

  319. Proud Obamacon says:

    I give VC, Tina, Jason, Phil and friends props. They have decided they are going down with the ship. Prayers to you all!

    #RESIST

  320. Proud Obamacon says:

    “actually trump seems to be doing a good job with this”

    LOL! Wow I just threw up my chips!

    #RESIST!

  321. Proud Obamacon says:

    “actually trump seems to be doing a good job with this”

    https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298

    Yeah he’s really doing a great job /sarc . He made sure to cross out “corona virus” and write in “chinese virus” in his notes from today’s presser. I’m so glad he has priorities! Completely sick and pathetic. VC and Jason to applaud this as a great move in 3 . 2. 1 … LOL

  322. VictrC says:

    PO, you actually made the point for us that President Trump didn’t call the virus a hoax. He called the Democrats critcism of the administrations response the “hoax.” It is literally in your response.

    With regards to the dismantling of the response team, that is absolutely false. A WAPO article yesterday, a first person account, states that it was not dismantled. I would say that a first person account of someone involved on the team rates as better than a snopes assessment. Of course, as a partisan, you will not acknowledge that. So be it. Facts are Facts.

    Robbie, you don’t warrant a response. You are truly a heinous person.

  323. Robbie says:

    lisab says:
    March 19, 2020 at 2:48 pm
    actually trump seems to be doing a good job with this
    other than ordering a complete shut down, i don’t see what else he could do

    – LOL! On February 25, worthless Larry Kudlow said we had the virus contained and the market was a buy. On February 26, Dear Leader Don said at a horrendous press conference there were only 15 cases (a lie, there were 60) and the number would soon be zero. Three weeks later, the number is over 10,000.

    And just what did Dear Leader Don do during the month of February do to prepare for an inevitable outbreak? Did he stock pile tests? Nope? Now, we’re so far behind in testing that we’ve got a national panic because everyone is afraid to leave their house.

    Donnie wanted to ignore the virus and hoped that a lack of testing would keep the number low. He could have rigorously tested and isolated to prevent the spread, but he didn’t even want to take the Grand Princess back because it would hurt the numbers.

    Donnie did call the virus a hoax at his pep rally on February 27. I know Jason fraud and the others think that didn’t happen, but it did.

    “The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” Trump said. “One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. … They tried anything. … And this is their new hoax.”

  324. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC,
    So you built a strawman and proved it false. Hard to follow what you are trying to say. Your Orange Hero totally dismissed the virus, that is not in dispute so what’s your deal?

    As for the pandemic response team, where is it? Did it just disappear into thin air? Why did we have a pandemic response team under Obama but not under your guy?

    Just admit this was bungled and bungled badly, I don’t know why its so hard for Orange Worshippers to admit the obvious. It will be ok. You may even regain some dignity.

    #RESIST

  325. Robbie says:

    VictrC says:
    March 19, 2020 at 3:07 pm
    Robbie, you don’t warrant a response. You are truly a heinous person.

    – Cry more, moron. The only heinous people are the idiots like you who defend this incompetent presidency nonstop. Sadly, you have no idea what’s going to hit you in November.

    You’re as woefully misguided as poor diblake who thinks Trump appointing judges he likes is some sort of redemptive act for Trump’s past sins. Of course, I’m assuming you think Trump has any sins for which he needs to atone. You probably even think Dear Leader Don was a good business man. That’s your problem, though. Not mine.

    Again, cry more.

  326. VictrC says:

    PO I call out your partisanship. The response to this has not been bungled. As a veteran when you are at war, I can say that there is no decision, or action, that doesn’t lend itself to scrutiny, but the overall reaction and leadership to this has been good.

    You won’t acknowledge that, and we both know why. That’s ok. You can continue with your rhetoric, most know it for what it is, partisanship in hopes that you gain power through this tragedy. I don’t think it’s going to work.

    As for the pandemic team. Please find the first person narrative. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

  327. lisab says:

    He made sure to cross out “corona virus” and write in “chinese virus” in his notes from today’s presser. I’m so glad he has priorities!
    —————————–

    so … german measles, lyme disease, west nile virus, ebola, omsk, marburg, lassa, rocky mountain fever etc.

    it started in china

  328. lisab says:

    we’ve got a national panic because everyone is afraid to leave their house.
    —————

    because … we don’t want people to leave their house

  329. lisab says:

    trump has got the feds, the states and private industry working together …

    really not much else can be done short of mandatory curfews

  330. VictrC says:

    Robbie. You are worse than a heinous person. Literally, one of the most disgusting people I’ve ever come across.

    Amoral Scumbag may be the most fitting nickname in the history of the internet, though I don’t think it goes far enough.

    At least Messy and PO believe in what they say. I can disagree with them, but at least they don’t try to make people believe they are something they aren’t.

  331. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry VC, I’ve been very clear that I approve of the response team and I think Pence has done a good job. I’ve said that from the beginning.

    The response from your guy has not been good. But finally Tucker Carlson was able to convince him that he needs to take this seriously. That in and of itself is pathetic.

    I can easily find a timeline showing how this was becoming a crisis and how your guy was downplaying it and politicizing it. I won’t because you’ll just skip over it because you’re not interested in a fair analysis.

    “You can continue with your rhetoric, most know it for what it is, partisanship in hopes that you gain power through this tragedy. I don’t think it’s going to work.”

    Find me one post where I have done anything close to this? Accusations like this is just more partisan swinging and missing.

    #RESIST

  332. Proud Obamacon says:

    And VC, as for the pandemic team. Where is it?

  333. Proud Obamacon says:

    “trump has got the feds, the states and private industry working together …”

    Correction, it’s the task force that has done a good job. The Orange One is busy trying to make a point of calling this the “China” virus. That seems very very important to him for some odd reason.

    What a moron.

  334. Tina says:

    So, we have the drats saying trump called the virus a hoax.

    Trump dissolved the pandemic team,

    Claiming of a secrete tape involving nc senator burr.

    All of these 3 are hoaxes by the same Russian hoaxers.

  335. Tina says:

    China commies have there useless idiots out.

  336. Victrc says:

    PO

    The pandemic team was assigned to a different portion of the NSC. It was not disbanded, just absorbed into another division.

    Please note that “you” is not referring to you personally, but “you” meaning the D party. I don’t think that most are happy we have a crisis, hardly that as can be seen in the bi-partisan response on the Hill. Some find it an opportunity to defeat Trump and regain power, hence the rhetoric of the media (which even you have to admit is open to criticism) and that of some D’s like Schumer who has been a disgrace.

    I’m glad to see you acknowledge the team is doing a good job, and separate your criticism for the President from them.

    You don’t like him. I get it. I didn’t like Obama’s policies. That’s America, we can agree to disagree.

  337. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC,
    “The pandemic team was assigned to a different portion of the NSC. It was not disbanded, just absorbed into another division.”

    Again, does the team still exist? If so, why was it not deployed during the early stages of the outbreak? That’s exactly why this team exists, geez! You think it would have been good to have these experts who’s one job it to respond to a pandemic ready to deploy when a pandemic actually hit? ? ?

    “Please note that “you” is not referring to you personally, but “you” meaning the D party”

    Nice backtrack. Next time, don’t say “you” if you are not referring to the person you directed your post to.

    I get it too. Anyone who leans even a little left is your mortal enemy and you get very insecure when presented with facts that make your side look bad. That’s fine, but you are not entitled to make chit up.

  338. Phil says:

    Yeah, Americans everywhere are outraged that Trump has been using the term China Virus. LOL

    Newsflash. They don’t give a flying F.

    How out of touch can you get?

    Please run on that one this fall.

    It’s a winner!!!!

  339. Tina says:

    Another hoax.

    It is approved for compasssionate care, but not an approved drug by the fda. Did anybody even listen to the presser?

    Trump makes the case for chloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, though it has not been approved by the FDA for this illness

  340. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Yeah, Americans everywhere are outraged that Trump has been using the term China Virus. LOL”

    Ok with Jason and VC dispatched. I see that Phil has next. Ok Phil, you also built a strawman.

    Of all the edits he could have made to his notes, he made it a point to cross out “Corona” and write in “China”. Shows where his priorities are right?

  341. VictrC says:

    PO

    LOL every time I try to be civil with you and acknowledge goodness you have to respond with an attack. PO, I can promise you I have no problem with Liberals. I went to school with hard core liberals, call many my friends, and deal with D’s all the time. We find common ground and talk about that, or when doing business with them, we discuss business that is mutually beneficial.

    I will not back down or kowtow when I believe polices are bad for the country and Americans. I disagree with you on policy, I disagreed with Obama on almost all of his policies. Doesn’t mean he was a bad person, I just disagree.

    As for the pandemic team my guess is that, judging from the article, it was never a big team, and it was utilized. Doesn’t mean that it was utilized the way Liberals wanted to to be, because then they wouldn’t have a point to go after the President.

    Which leads me to the disingenuous use by the media of this meme that it was disbanded. Even when given facts that it wasn’t, they continue to spread falsehoods, misleading the American public. How is this OK?

  342. Tina says:

    Jebots triggered tomorrow

    Weijia Jiang
    @weijia
    ·
    47m
    SCOOP w/
    @ArdenFarhi
    :
    Trump is expected to announce tomorrow the US-Mexico border will be temporarily closed to non-essential traffic. The arrangement will be similar to the one with Canada w/ exemptions for trade and essential personnel.

  343. Tina says:

    This guy is a propagandist for the commie Chinese:

    Philip Rucker
    @PhilipRucker
    · 3h
    As Tump accused major U.S. news organizations, to which millions of Americans are turning during a national emergency for accurate & factual info about the pandemic, of dishonesty and “siding with China,” VP Pence, Dr. Birx & the surgeon general stood by and did not correct him.

  344. NYCmike says:

    ” That’s no one’s fault except for the Chinese who initially lied about it.”

    -Robbie making some progress.

  345. Proud Obamacon says:

    “LOL every time I try to be civil with you and acknowledge goodness you have to respond with an attack”
    What attack? You’re sounding snowflakish now.

    “As for the pandemic team my guess is that, judging from the article, it was never a big team, and it was utilized. Doesn’t mean that it was utilized the way Liberals wanted to to be, because then they wouldn’t have a point to go after the President.”
    You’re missing the point, or maybe you’re tiptoeing around it because it makes your side look bad. The point is that pandemic response was not a priority for your guy. It was deemed unimportant and the team was reassigned / relegated to office work, floor sweeping, whatever you want to call it. That is the point.

    VC, I never attack first. I think this president is the worst president ever. You can think he’s the best. That’s fine. I come here with logic and facts. So be prepared to defend him with facts and we can talk. I commend you for being a notch above Jason and Phil who don’t even engage and instead roll out the Venezuela, North Korea, Stalin posts immediately.

    And thank you for your service, you are a hero in my book.

  346. Phil says:

    Then run on it, moron.

    Ooooooh, China Virus. Orange man racist!!! Shut down travel to China early. More proof of RACISM. Outside of the newsrooms at CNN and MSNBC the “China Virus” labeling “controversy” is a joke.

    Sounds like you got yourself a real campaign issue there, pal.

    Maybe Joe can make that a central theme of his campaign. Hit Trump hard on his xenophobic decision to stop travel to China. Good luck on selling it. LOL

  347. NYCmike says:

    “Shows where his priorities are right?”

    -Actually, as President, he has a DUTY to think short-term as well as LONG-TERM.

    WE ALL NEED to remind everyone that the ChiComs were responsible for this, to make sure they don’t get away with it and do it again in the future.

  348. Proud Obamacon says:

    “-Actually, as President, he has a DUTY to think short-term as well as LONG-TERM.”

    And he made the wrong choice as is brutally evident right now.

    #RESIST

  349. Tina says:

    Hopefully bending of the curve in a hot spot

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    · 3h
    The numbers in Washington state, which has done far more testing per capita than any other US state, are mildly encouraging:

    new cases by day per @COVID19Tracking:
    3/11: 105
    3/12: 70
    3/13: 120
    3/14: 111
    3/15: 74
    3/16: 127
    3/17: 135
    3/18: 108

  350. Tina says:

    Goober is goobering:

    Jake Sherman
    @JakeSherman
    · 1h
    Police cars revolving lightPolice cars revolving lightNEWS, from the closed Senate GOP lunch:

    @LindseyGrahamSC just told his Republican colleagues that he is trying to convince TRUMP to oppose direct payments in PHASE THREE bill— as is new WH COS, Mark Meadows.

  351. John says:

    361.
    I certainly hope so. However, I live in King County whereas this was the epicenter of the virus and now deaths from this virus has reached into Snohomish County (Everett), Pierce County (Tacoma) and now Island County.
    It is spreading like wildfire in Washington state now.

  352. Tina says:

    This persons doctor is a quack. The doctor never heard of off labeling usages?

    Chris Jansing
    @ChrisJansing
    · 4h
    An MD friend just texted me – livid- that the President suggested drugs to help are available “for immediate delivery”. In fact – the FDA chief points out – chloroquine IS approved as an anti-malarial but needs clinical trials before being used for coronavirus. NOT immediate

  353. VictrC says:

    Tina,

    Despite those who think this President doesn’t care about the little guy, i can promise you, one way or another, he is going to get money in the hands of everyday people. You can count on that happening.

    Now whether that is through payroll payments to businesses that must be distributed to people, or through direct cash payments, its going to be one or the other.

    I favor the first, except in the case of service industry workers who normally rely on tips for their income (as their salary just pay taxes).

    I do support a suspension of mortgage and rent payments which will not be turned into “balloon” payments once things get better, but that just get added to the end of their mortgages, rental payments. I.e. pushed to the right.

  354. Tina says:

    Oh I know. We got t9 the left against the drats on this. That is why they are pissed and making up hoaxes.

  355. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    NBC is reporting some initial promising results with the drug remdesivir.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/experimental-drug-holds-promise-treating-coronavirus-n1158316

    Contrary to what a prior post said; there is not relationship between remdesivir and kalentra.

    Also, under compassionate use, new unapproved drugs, or drugs approved for other illnesses, can be used by a doctor to treat seriously ill patients.

    It needs to be done. The last thing we need is to let federal and other bureaucrats attempt to delay medical drug use because of arcane regulations. Fauci is a veteran of the AIDS epidemic, and now knows he needs to cut through bureaucratic BS.

  356. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Something those who support Bernie Sanders’ form of socialist medicine should think about:

    “So, the WHO ranked Italy as the #2 healthcare system, and the US #37. Tellingly, these sorts of rankings tend to weight “access” pretty heavily, which if you drill down further means “government paid” or “government provided,” although they do consider other things related to success of outcome.

    Focusing on outcome, the US should be considered #1 when you consider how well it is doing relative to it’s population size, and number of cases with CV-19 fatality rate.”

  357. Messy says:

    Just to remind you what you were thinking about this situation less than a month ago.

    41 mRviTO says:
    February 27, 2020 at 8:40 pm

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    BREAKING: Iran’s former ambassador to the Vatican, Hadi Khosroshahi, has died of coronavirus – IRNA
    42mRviTO says:
    February 27, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    Has John Kerry or Chris Murphy been quarantined yet?
    Phil says:
    February 27, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    42

    Good question.

    LOL

  358. Tina says:

    I think the corrupt who said that the Coronavirus was not transmitted between humans,

  359. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    364. Tina, there are always doctors who believe following medical protoccol and rules are more important than patients lives. They see their role as to do scientific research studies, and look upon patients as their lab rats.

  360. Messy says:

    Another choice comment on the subject from the recent past:


    MichiganGuy says:
    March 6, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    Influenza Deaths Now Total 20,000, Including Elevated Number of 136 Children

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/06/update-influenza-deaths-now-total-20000-including-elevated-number-of-136-children/
    ——————————————————-
    Who cares a whopping 15 people have died of the Coronavirus in the U.S. It’s the end of the world as we know it…

  361. Messy says:

    How about this one from the middle of last month?:

    Hmmmm……
    SusyQue says:
    February 25, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    The Carona Virus is just like the common cold virus. It has the same death rate as the common flu virus. Please spread this post to educate the good Americans!

    These lies are perpetuated by Obama and George Soros who both recently traveled to China! Why didn’t CNN cover this? They want to bring down the Doe Jones market and start the Recession. These traitor Demoncrats must be punished!

    God Bless the One President Donald J Trump!

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE THIS POST!

  362. Cash Cow TM says:

    Trump ought to donate his salary this month to efforts to fight coronavirus.

    Challenge members of Congress to do same….?

  363. Cash Cow TM says:

    Various states are already moving to let people in state prisons out of jail.

    SEVERAL DAYS AGO, COW PREDICTED THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

    Cow also correct in predicting about moving the elections…
    *************************************
    SMARTEST COW ON HHR!

  364. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting prospective from a Stanford professor of Medicine, Dr. Ioannidis:

    “The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
    Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.
    That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.”

  365. Phil says:

    Governor Cuomo continues to surprise me. Pleasantly so.

    Again, the difference between Cuomo and Schumer, two politicians from the same state, is stark. One is practical, level headed, and devoid of partisanship. Cuomo’ s daily news conferences are focused on the daily nuts and bolts of the problem at hand. The other? Senate speeches full of finger pointing, cheap political partisanship, and second guessing devoid of anything practical in the way of problem solving.

    Perhaps the difference is simply a function of someone who has actual responsibility to govern vs someone who doesn’t. I don’t know but Schumer is pond scum.

  366. Tina says:

    The difference between cuomo and duh blahsio is stark too.

  367. jason says:

    Wolf issues new closings in PA. Thank God beer distributors exempt.

    “Any business in Pennsylvania that does anything other than “life-sustaining” work must close its doors, Gov. Tom Wolf ordered Thursday.

    And if they don’t, business owners could be fined, lose their business license, even be jailed — and would give up the ability to file for disaster aid.

    Businesses must close their physical locations by 8 p.m. Thursday, though the order does not rule out working remotely.

    Enforcement actions against businesses that don’t close physical locations will begin at?12:01 a.m. Saturday.

    “To protect the health and safety of all Pennsylvanians, we need to take more aggressive mitigation actions,” Wolf said in a statement. “This virus is an invisible danger that could be present everywhere. We need to?act?with the strength we use?against?any other severe threat.”

    The order significantly strengthens Wolf’s previous guidance to statewide businesses. This is an order, not a request, and it spells out specifically the few industry segments that can stay open.

    The only businesses that can stay open are “life-sustaining” ones: farms and their suppliers, food manufacturing, medical care facilities, medical products suppliers and banks. Retailers that sell food, gas, automotive parts and building materials may also stay open.

    Restaurants may continue to offer take-out.

    Other manufacturing and construction companies must close, as must all retailers, insurance companies, legal firms, employment services and beauty salons or barbers. Accountants must close their locations.

    Social-services agencies can stay open, but unions must send workers home. Movie or music studios must close, but TV and radio stations may stay open.

    Beer distributors, it is important to note, may stay open.”

  368. NYCmike says:

    Phil,

    Agreed.

    I made a comment yesterday about Cuomo wanting to be President…….while that is undoubtedly true, I should not have mixed in that part of the comment with the rest of my statement, which was that Cuomo is doing a very good job. Period. As is Trump, and many other officials in our respective levels of government.

  369. NYCmike says:

    “The difference between cuomo and duh blahsio is stark too.”

    -YUGE! Totally agree!

  370. Tina says:

    Senator Burr is being accused of insider trading.

    He sold $1.5 million in stock before the market fell.

    This looks bad.

  371. jason says:

    Trump ought to donate his salary this month to efforts to fight coronavirus.”

    He already donates it.

  372. Tina says:

    Kurt Schlichter
    @KurtSchlichter
    ·
    1h
    My 8-year-old son just asked “Why did Trump not have the foresight to construct a million ventilators a year ago and stockpile 10 million N95 masks? I blame his science denial for this and his other crimes. Also, he is racist.”

    I could not answer and was left literally shaking.

  373. jason says:

    Senator Burr is being accused of insider trading.

    He sold $1.5 million in stock before the market fell.”

    Smells like BS.

  374. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In the U.S. we have 189 deaths, with a reported 13,622 people infected — the actual number of the infected is likely much higher. The vast majority of the deaths are elderly people with impaired health.

    Compare that with Italy or other heavily impact countries with much lower populations.

  375. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    383. “Senator Burr is being accused of insider trading. He sold $1.5 million in stock before the market fell. This looks bad.”

    How is this insider trading? He likely made his decision based on public news reports of the pending epidemic?

  376. jason says:

    I could not answer and was left literally shaking.”

    Zzzzzz….

    The answer is easy. These are not decisions Presidents make.

    There are agencies responsible for responding emergency situations.

    Trump would have not have any idea how many “ventilators” or “masks” would be needed.

    The best he can do is put competent people in charge of these agencies.

  377. NYCmike says:

    “Smells like BS.”

    -Smells like he was smart.

    I thought about cashing everything out about mid-February, but convinced myself to just sit and be patient.

    Right now, it looks like I made the wrong decision, but long-term, I’ll rely on the advice of guys like Buffett and Munger.

  378. jason says:

    “Selling before the market fell” is not insider trading.

    Even Bunu said he did that, all $25 of his holdings.

  379. Tina says:

    So, the media now admits it it the commie China gubment after all.

    Josh Rogin
    @joshrogin
    NEW: Don’t blame ‘China’ for the #coronavirus — blame the Chinese Communist Party https://washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/dont-blame-china-for-the-coronavirus–blame-the-chinese-communist-party/2020/03/19/343153ac-6a12-11ea-abef-020f086a3fab_story.html… by me
    @PostOpinions

  380. jason says:

    Me too.

    But I am confident I will recover my losses if the senile old socialist geezer doesn’t get elected.

    And I don’t mean Bernie.

  381. jason says:

    blame the Chinese Communist Party”

    That will get Obamacommunist riled up.

    Not as much as if you criticize the old Soviet Union, of course.

  382. jason says:

    I am glad Wolf considers banks “life sustaining”.

  383. jason says:

    Beer is certainly life sustaining.

  384. Country Dick Montana says:

    “To protect the health and safety of all Pennsylvanians, we need to take more aggressive mitigation actions,”

    Sounds like the first resort of a tyrant. I am not sure that he has a law to back this up and really would love to see someone challenge it in court. We are doing things well voluntarily, and we need to be smart, but this seriously borders on martial law.

    I hope that he considers the energy businesses in Western PA life sustaining. Unless they flare everything from the wells, the pipelines need to be fully staffed and operated.

  385. jason says:

    Anyone who leans even a little left”

    LOL

    Stalin, Lenin and Fidel..

    “a little left”

  386. jason says:

    Yep, Wolf always was an incompetent moron and he is easily swayed by the left wing MSM.

    He should know better since he is a businessman himself.

    Threatening to send state troopers around to harass small businesses is really stupid.

  387. jason says:

    There are like 4200 state troopers in PA, so like 1400 per shift.

    How many would be available in the whole state to enforce this BS?

    Elections have consequences.

  388. jason says:

    I am not sure that he has a law to back this up and really would love to see someone challenge it in court.”

    The courts are closed.

    But maybe they can sue the crap out of him later.

  389. Proud Obamacon says:

    Burr is another slimeball.

    “He likely made his decision based on public news reports of the pending epidemic?”

    LOL. Laughable. In public he was downplaying. To private donors he was sounding the alarm and selling off. Absolute scum. Or a hero, in your demented minds. Sick!

  390. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/significant-hospitalization-rates-coronavirus-taking-a-toll-in-pa/

    The number of covid-19 cases in Pennsylvania rose to 185 on Thursday – up nearly 40% from the day prior. So far, 1,608 patients have tested negative, meaning a little more than 10% of those tested have been positive.

    This is about the same rate of positives that tehy are seeing in Washington. Up until today the Washington DOH had those raw numbers but have taken them down for some reason: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

  391. jason says:

    To private donors he was sounding the alarm and selling off.”

    Zzzzzz….

    The roadkill maggot found something else to lie about…

    Talk about scum.

  392. lisab says:

    “So, the WHO ranked Italy as the #2 healthcare system, and the US #37.” sdc
    ——————–

    to give an idea … italy got the virus 10 days AFTER the usa

    they had 427 deaths yesterday

    the usa has had 167 deaths total through yesterday

  393. Phil says:

    Commie troll quick to label Burr corrupt scum. The Bidens? crickets. Not a word all these months. Zilch. Call it his SELECTIVE opposition to corruption.

    What a tool.

  394. jason says:

    So even in Italy, hardest hit, most deaths, most draconian measures, etc.

    3000 deaths

    What percentage of the population died so far?

    0.00005%

    Flu deaths in Italy in 2016/17 24,981

    Do massive testing and isolate the at-risk population. That should be the strategy.

    Not that this would not be challenging. It would involve a massive effort and a lot of resources. But it would not shut down the whole economy.

  395. jason says:

    “The Bidens? Crickets”

    Really.

    Hypocrisy at its best.

  396. jason says:

    So far, 1,608 patients have tested negative, meaning a little more than 10% of those tested have been positive.”

    That will fall dramatically as more tests are conducted.

    In other places the positive rate is like 2%, not 10%.

  397. Country Dick Montana says:

    “The courts are closed.”

    People are still being arrested and have to be processed. It shouldn’t be that hard to find a judge who would grant an injunction to what is an egregious violation of state laws and the constitution.

    The people may put up with it for a week, but when it becomes hard to pay for things you will see rioting if not full scale civil disobedience.

    At least Cuomo had the good sense to put Deblasio in his proper place. But leave it to a Dem to be the first to declare martial law. And they said Trump wanted to be a lawless dictator. Go figure.

  398. lisab says:

    messy is now quoting susyque

  399. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Do massive testing and isolate the at-risk population. That should be the strategy.

    Not that this would not be challenging. It would involve a massive effort and a lot of resources. But it would not shut down the whole economy.”

    Totally agree. That should be the strategy in the future. I can see the temporarily shutting down things to measure the impact and learning more, but as summer come its time to remove a lot of the restrictions.

  400. Country Dick Montana says:

    You could solve 75% of the problem by isolating nursing homes patients and staff. They die in clusters in those places. If Life Care of Kirkland was its own country it would be ranked #13 in the world just behind Japan and just ahead of Indonesia.

  401. jason says:

    Trump slam dunks NBC fake news correspondent:

    “I’ll tell you how prepared I was before others I called for a ban on people coming in from China long before others and I believe it was your network called me a racist,” Trump said.

  402. Proud Obamacon says:

    Notice Phil completely ignores Burr and instead brings up the Bidens LOL.. hey, maybe he can bring up emails and Benghazi too!

    If it was a D, and not Burr, yall be calling for the to be arrested. Burr should be arrested. This is sick.

    Telling hardworking people not to worry and that everything will be ok, while cashing out his stocks. Disgusting.

  403. Proud Obamacon says:

    Burr needs to be arrested. This is what Chris Collins did, who is now in jail.

    He was head of an intelligence committee with access to very sensitive info. He knew a pandemic was coming.

    See ya, Burr.

    More ReTHUG corruption, it goes on and on and on ..

  404. Phil says:

    The commie troll could have some ground to stand on when moaning about Burr and corruption if he’d had said anything, anything at all during the last six months regarding the Bidens and their, uh, “financial dealings”. Instead, he didn’t have a problem with any of it. Crickets

    Save us your fake outrage, commie.

  405. Proud Obamacon says:

    So Phil admits that Burr is in deep chit, and he’s ok with it. Good to know, sport!

  406. John says:

    413.
    Oh, how many would love to do this. End of the story…except it doesn’t end there.
    Except for the fact that a person living in Pierce County (Tacoma) having nothing to do would so ever with the Kirkland Life Care Center has now died…and another person has died in Snohomish County (Everett) and now a person has died in Island County.
    Washington state now has 74 deaths from this virus which including a professor from UW that had nothing to do with the virus.
    The death percentage is now at about 15-19%.
    Yikes.

  407. Phil says:

    He KNEW a pandemic was coming.

    He did, huh.

    LOL

  408. Phil says:

    No, I have no idea one way or the other, “sport”…. and neither do you. LOL

  409. John says:

    Mitch McConnell just sent a bill to the House that calls for checks for $2400 for couples immediately.
    Well done leader, well done.

  410. Phil says:

    $2400 for couples?

    I assume there is some some means testing.

    Also, I thought all money bills had to originate in the House.

  411. Country Dick Montana says:

    419 – Never said tht it would solve the entire problem. Kirkland isn’t the only place. 4 have died at Latham House in Louisiana and right now 17 patients and 4 staff are infected in a home in DuPage Co, IL. The people in those homes by definition are in the highest risk category, so it might be a good idea to give them a bit more attention.

    It is curious, though how King County has so many deaths: 60 out of the 207 so far in the country. Even taking out Kirkland, it is still 30 deaths. No pointing fingers, just wondering why it is so high compared to everywhere else

  412. Proud Obamacon says:

    Looks to be whoever gets into Orange’s head last wins. Right now its Lindsay and Meadows. LOL What a complete chitshow!

  413. Tina says:

    Chanel Rion hits back at the Drat media and Chinese commie apologists:

    https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1240753354395070464/photo/1

  414. Phil says:

    Two Republicans oppose cash payments makes it a chitshow.

    Got it.

    Oh my gosh. There is some opposition to a plan in congress. Why, that NEVER happens! Only on Trump’s watch! A real chitshow alright.

  415. lisab says:

    No pointing fingers, just wondering why it is so high compared to everywhere else
    ———————-

    some strains are more deadly than others

    they just got a bad case of the chinese virus

  416. jason says:

    lisab says:
    March 19, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    messy is now quoting susyque”

    LOL

    Clueless..

  417. jason says:

    Relief checks to Americans in jeopardy.”

    I thought the roadkill maggot said there were no changes, that the Senate was just passing every give away bill unchecked.

    What happened?

  418. Wes says:

    Phil, the House just has to originate bills dealing with money. If the Senate has already received one from the House, then the Senate can amend it or rewrite or do whatever it wants before sending it back to the House ahead of the reconciliation process.

  419. Country Dick Montana says:

    As of 0:00 GMT in the US

    207 deaths – 57 today

    Washington has 74
    NY has 34

    Those 2 states are 52% of all deaths. The top 5 states (WA,NY,CA,LA and GA) have 147 deaths or 71%.

  420. jason says:

    No pointing fingers, just wondering why it is so high compared to everywhere else”

    Easy. It spread inside a nursing home with a lot of older people with pre-existing conditions.

  421. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yes, the bills I was referring to do passed the Senate with zero changes and were signed into law. Please try to keep up. Thank you.

    This is new legislation.

  422. Proud Obamacon says:

    At this point, your ReTHUG buddies have no idea what Orange will sign. They know he has no clue, he will do whatever the last person tells him to do. Yes, chitshow!

  423. Country Dick Montana says:

    434 – I did not include Kirkland. King county still had 30 deaths outside of that facility.

  424. jason says:

    He knew a pandemic was coming.”

    Dang, I guess he is smarter than the roadkill maggot.

  425. Phil says:

    He will, huh? Whatever the last person tells him to do? Really?

    You don’t have a clue. You are making a fool out of yourself tonight. More than usual and that is saying something.

  426. jason says:

    Threatening Burr with jail while giving the Bidens a pass is really hilarious.

  427. jason says:

    Yes, the bills I was referring to do passed the Senate with zero changes and were signed into law.”

    That is news to Pelosi and the other moonbats.

    They are whining their entitlements are not permanent taxes on the American people.

  428. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Newsom predicted that 56% of California’s population – roughly 25.5 million residents – could be infected with the novel coronavirus over an eight-week period.”

  429. Proud Obamacon says:

    “He will, huh? Whatever the last person tells him to do? Really?”

    Yes really. He has no core values. This is the same guy who wanted a “bill of love” on immigratin, who wanted to take guns first, remember all that? Yeah, until his handlers told him what he was supposed to think. Pathetic.

  430. jason says:

    Whatever the last person tells him to do? ”

    The Marxists can’t decide on their message.

    Trump supposedly is a dictator that does what he wants. But if it is more convenient, then he is putty in the hands of Lindsey Graham.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  431. jason says:

    “Newsom predicted that 56% of California’s population – roughly 25.5 million residents – could be infected with the novel coronavirus over an eight-week period.”

    That has not happened anywhere else.

    But California is special.

  432. Hunter says:

    There should be no bailouts and no payments to people. Markets will work it out. Corporation took risks, and they need to learn their lesson. We can’t keep bailing them out.

    Let’s beef up unemployment benefits to help people, but that’s it.

    No payments to people! No bailouts!

  433. jason says:

    If that happened then the outbreak would end quickly, once you don’t have anybody else to infect.

    Much more likely it will infect a much smaller percentage but over a longer period.

    And 56%? Is he sure its not 55.32%?

  434. lisab says:

    notice how the trolls have not actually proposed any different policies to stop the spread of the virus

    they only complain that they won’t get paid enough

  435. Phil says:

    So core values is a biggie for you.

    Core Values. Hmmm I guess those are what attracted you to Hillary.

    Got it.

  436. jason says:

    No payments to people! No bailouts!”

    I only agree half way.

    I agree with some targeted bailouts that will keep people employed. I am not sure what “risks” the cruise, airline and restaurant sector took.

    Payments? No. Use the money to extend benefits to those who need them, don’t send blanket checks to people who don’t need them.

  437. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Phil’s response to everything is Bidens and Hillary LOL

  438. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Looks like Elon Musk finally realized he has to obey the law, and will close his Fremont, California factory. Meanwhile his workers are not happy:

    “Current Tesla employees have told TechCrunch that communication about operations in California, one of its biggest markets, has been inconsistent and unclear as the COVID-19 pandemic has spread. Employees, who requested anonymity for fear of losing their jobs described a lack of access to disinfectant, and said there were not clear or proper protocols put in place to safeguard workers in sales, service and delivery.”

    The lack of guidance for Tesla employees who work in delivery and sales throughout the U.S. has prompted some to take matters into their own hands because there is “zero protective gear.

    Employees told TechCrunch there is no disinfectant or gloves for delivery drivers, service or sales staff at some of its busiest delivery hubs. There has been little communication with upper management, as well. Employees have bought hand sanitizer, gloves and disinfectant for co-workers as they prepare for an onslaught of vehicles before the quarter ends. For instance, employees were told to expect 1,000 cars in Costa Mesa alone in the next three days. Other delivery hubs are expected to be busy as well.”

  439. jason says:

    Obamacommunist talks about “core values” but supports Biden for President.

    Now that is chutzpah.

  440. Hunter says:

    Abolutely no bailouts for the airlines. They took huge risks with their buy backs and got burned. Sorry, no bailout for them. The workers will get help from unemployment benefits.

    OK for restaurants, hotels, cruises, but should be on case by case basis.

  441. jason says:

    LOL Phil’s response to everything is Bidens and Hillary LOL”

    Yeah, funny how their names always comes up when anybody mentions corruption.

  442. jason says:

    I will support bailouts for the airlines too.

  443. Phil says:

    Core Values!!

    Hillary in 2016!!

    Biden in 2020!!

    …but yeah, Trump lacks core values. LMAO

  444. lisab says:

    No bailouts!
    ————–

    that would crush the economy

    for example, companies like delta would go under. the employees would be hurt. the bondholders would get pennies on the dollar, the stockholders would lose out completely … which is ok, they took the risk, but … this was not really from mismanagement, it was from an “act of god”

    and it would happen to MANY companies

    and it would hurt all the people whose pensions are based on the stock market

    much better to give them enough money to survive, not to completely bail them out, just enough to keep them afloat

  445. Hunter says:

    Let Delta go under. Why reward companies who take horrible risks? What incentive is there for other companies to be more responsible in the future? Why enable this behavior so that we end up with bigger bailouts next time there’s a crisis?

    Let the free market system work.

  446. jason says:

    Hunter if you didn’t support Trump’s asinine trade wars and tariffs I will support you on “let the free market system work”.

  447. Hunter says:

    The trade wars and tariffs are complicated. While I like pushing back against the Chinese, I don’t like that we had to bailout farmers.

    I know Trump is not a conservative. He’s a populist. I would expect our side in Congress to advocate for conservatism and free markets.

    If we bail out the airlines, we will lose the House, Senate, and White House. People will be infuriated, lefties and righties, and I wouldn’t blame them.

  448. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications/older-adults.html

    Straight from the CDC – 8 out of 10 US deaths are 65 and older. Interesting stuff here plus a clinical paper you can read.

  449. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    On a good note, just got this message about a person in NYC:

    “Came down with COVID. Is 70+ years old. Just received this morning first dose of chloroquine, and showed “dramatic improvements in oxygen levels” already. They are going to get him on remdesivir later today or tomorrow. First signs are encouraging.”

    Never underestimate American medical professionals and researchers; we have some of the best in the world. Lets also stop trashing American medical care, when compared with the socialist medicine we see in places like Italy.

  450. Big Joe says:

    #281 Proud O.
    “Come on, BJ, where u at bruh?”

    Sorry Proud. I did not realize folks were waiting on my posts, my bad I’ll be better. I’ve only been posting about the markets because there’s been a lot of news (even before the corona virus effects). Today was boring. Every trading day is dependent on that day’s news.

    Big Joe

  451. jason says:

    If we bail out the airlines, we will lose the House, Senate, and White House:

    I see. People angered at bailouts will elect socialists.

    Hmmm…

  452. Hunter says:

    I’m just saying that bailing out the airlines is nto what conservatives should be doing.

    I have no problem with the airlines using their money for whatever they want. They want to take huge risks with buy backs, go for it, I don’t care. But don’t expect to be bailed out if it blows up in your face. That would be sending the wrong message. That what I’m saying.

  453. VictrC says:

    I disagree with Hunter. I am not for bailouts, but a. TARP shows us that most, if not all, get paid back with interest.

    2. This downturn has nothing to do with mismanagement, it is an act of God. This is literally what the Federal government is for, what it was meant to do, to assist in times of national emergency.

    No one could have foreseen a novel virus being hoist upon the country shutting it down, especially when a foreign country which could have controlled it lied, and th rest of the world has to suffer.

  454. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Americans nationwide today give President Donald Trump a Plus 11 Net Virus Grade, according to SurveyUSA’s latest time-series tracking poll conducted 03/18/20 and 03/19/20.

    51% of adults nationwide approve of the way Trump is responding to the virus, including 25% who “strongly approve.”

    40% disapprove of Trump’s response, including 25% who “strongly disapprove.”

    In an identical SurveyUSA poll 1 week ago, Trump was Net Zero; 46% approved (including 22% who strongly approved); 46% disapproved (including 32% who “strongly disapproved”), a strong, 11-point week-on-week improvement. SurveyUSA exclusive time-series tracking data available here.

  455. Tina says:

    Trump doing well in handling of Coronavirus, despite the jebots:

    eted

    Ryan James Girdusky
    @RyanGirdusky
    ·
    44m
    Do you approve/disapprove how Trump is handling the Coronavirus (Survey USA poll)

    Overall: 51/40
    Men: 55/40
    Women: 48/42
    18-34: 52/39
    65+: 56/40
    w/ kids <5: 58/36
    w/ kids in college: 55/41
    GOP: 90/6
    DEM: 24/68
    Indie: 48/48
    White: 59/36
    Black: 28/58
    Latino: 47/46
    Asian: 32/44

  456. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tucker calls for Burr to resign. Phil, you’re really out on an island now, SPORT. LOL.

    #RESIST!

  457. Tina says:

    The money should not go to companies buying hack their stock.

    With that said, the gubment following scientists’ clams that this was the worst pandemic ever, shut the economy down.

    The gubment is at fault for shutting down the economy and must bear the cost to make it whole again.

    I do hope the so called experts were not wrong in wrecking the economy. There will be hell to pay.

  458. Tina says:

    Loughlin, also bough Citrix stock during the pandemic.

    This stock benefited from the rise of people working at home.

  459. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 51%
    @YouGovUS/@HofstraU

    National GE:
    Biden 51% (+2)
    Trump 49%

    Sanders 50%
    Trump 50%
    @YouGovUS@HofstraU

    Perhaps those who said that Trump would increase his popularity by being less of a showman, and more of a serious government leader, were right. We are seeing a different side of Trump.

  460. Tina says:

    This does not appear to be the case, so far.

    Jesse Kelly
    @JesseKellyDC
    ·
    2h
    “Our hospitals are overwhelmed, we’re running out of supplies, half the population of California will get it. Millions will die.”

    “Oh man. That sounds bad. How many have died?”

  461. Tina says:

    Re you gov, somebody said trumps numbers are up because woman find him more confident during the pressers.

    In comparison, China Biden plagiarized trumps plan and today apparently needed help from his wife to get off stage.

  462. jason says:

    I know Trump is not a conservative. He’s a populist. I would expect our side in Congress to advocate for conservatism and free markets.”

    Trump is a symptom of today’s Republican party, not the cause.

    That is why I left the party.

    The Never Trumpers are idiots who think the problem with the party is Trump. It doesn’t dawn of them that they were less than 5% of the party even before they all became Dems.

    The fact is that if you believe in free trade and free markets you are a small minority of the party.

  463. Tina says:

    Hopefully doctors are using this as a treatment option. They can since fda approved it for malaria and arthritis.

    Also, trumps compassionate care allows it.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/must-see-chloroquine-already-used-on-coronavirus-in-us-study-shows-100-success-rate-and-may-act-as-preventative-to-virus-video/

  464. jason says:

    Tucker calls for Burr to resign.”

    Tucker doesn’t like Burr because he thinks he is a RINO.

    Burr should tell Tucker to GFH.

  465. Tina says:

    I think trump also got to the left of Piglosi on the bailout and assistance. Mitchie kept the senate in session, while Piglosi left town to get face lifts.

    Plus, he has power of the executive branch. He is up there for 2 hours each day answering questions, while the Drat nominee is in a fog.

  466. jason says:

    Why is it a problem the airlines buy back their own stock?

    I thought we were for free markets.

  467. jason says:

    Dang, Amoral Scumbag hardest hit with that Trump Coronavirus approval poll.

    He will be in self quarantine in Bogo Pogo for awhile now.

  468. jason says:

    China Biden plagiarized trumps plan and today apparently needed help from his wife to get off stage.”

    Did you see the video?

    He stares off into space, she realizes it and rushes on stage to get him off.

    He says “thanks”.

    Scary.

  469. jason says:

    The reason some of the socialists are praising Trump is because right now he is doing things they like… shutting down private business, giving money away, etc.

    But now he has some good videos for the fall campaign.

  470. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    477. See post 463.

    The compassionate care policy has existed for decades.

  471. Tina says:

    No, it’s trump right to try that expanded compassionate care in 2017.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-sign-right-try-legislation-fulfilling-promise-made-expand-healthcare-options-terminal-americans/

    But it’s moot because that drug Can be prescribed to treat the Coronavirus now, because it is already fda approved for malaria.

  472. jason says:

    Yahoo News

    Trump is right about China’s coronavirus responsibility.

    The President is correct that the virus originated in China, and that the Chinese government bears responsibility for its spread by hiding and then minimizing the outbreak”

    Amazing….

  473. VictrC says:

    The worst part of that Biden speech….it was his Victory speech after winning FL, IL and AZ. He could barely speak, he looked like he was confused and had no energy. I’m not kidding, that video is from Tuesday evening, and was absolutely the end of his victory speech.

    So D’s were happy to have him out of the spotlight for the time being so he couldn’t make any gaffs, and they could control his message. That is going to backfire on them because for the next unforeseen future, Trump is going to be on TV once or twice a day directing what will be the greatest catostrophy that the entire nation will deal with in our lifetime.

    Americans will remember this, they will remember he said he didn’t care about the corporations he just wanted to get money in the average Joe’s pocket. Watch his press conference from today or other days. That’s his overriding message every day.

    Come the fall when the economy is recovering and jobs are being created in September and October America will remember this….despite the Media trying to tie every single death to him in the Fall.

  474. Tina says:

    They are arguing with him about it wasting days and then they admit he was right.

    It originated in Wuhan, China.

    Why it’s an issue? Because the commies said our army gave it to China,

    This is offensive.

  475. Hunter says:

    Sorry but not direct payments. Don’t give MY MONEY to WELFARE PARASITES.

  476. jason says:

    The State Department has issued a rare global (level 4) health advisory. (Level four is the State Department’s highest.) This notice advises U.S. citizens to avoid all international travel to reduce the risk of infection from the coronavirus.

    This advisory asks all U.S. citizens who are currently abroad to return home immediately unless they are willing to “remain abroad for an indefinite period.” And it asks those who live abroad to avoid all international travel.”

    More overkill.

  477. jason says:

    Sorry but not direct payments. Don’t give MY MONEY to WELFARE PARASITES.”

    You would deny money to Proud Obamacommunist?

    Cruel.

  478. VictrC says:

    I think lets see what the real situation with Loeffler is before we convict her.

    According to the article she and her husband sold between $1.2M – $3M of stock. They are worth $500M, so they sold a couple % of their portfolio. If that turns out to be true then this is a nothingburger. Plus, her husband is Chairman of the Dow!

    They probably are fairly savvy investors.

    Let’s wait for the evidence before we try, convict and tar & feather.

  479. Tina says:

    Like amazon, dominoes pizza is hiring.

    Now, can somebody get me some eggs and toilet paper.

    All stores in my area are out.

  480. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The origin of compassionate was in the 1980s:

    “Compassionate use is also known as expanded access, a program created by the FDA in 1987 that allows people with life-threatening disease to request access to investigational new drugs outside of clinical trials. These are drugs that have not been approved by the FDA, have not been proven safe, and have not been proven effective.

    To be considered for compassionate use, the FDA requires that the patient has a serious disease/condition or has an immediately life-threatening condition and:

    “There is no comparable of satisfactory alternative therapy
    “The patient cannot obtain the drug under another IND or [research] protocol
    “The potential patient benefit justifies the potential risks
    “Providing the investigational drug will not interfere with the initiation, conduct, or completion of clinical investigations”
    Then the company has to agree to provide the drug under a physician that will closely monitor the patient.

    This program began with the HIV/AIDS pandemic in the 1980s, when advocates fought for access to experimental drugs because there were no drugs to treat this new disease.”

  481. NYCmike says:

    “Now, can somebody get me some eggs and toilet paper.”

    -Suggestion: Instead of toilet paper, you can use the 4 foot long receipts they give out at every store.

  482. NYCmike says:

    Eggs I can’t help you with.

  483. Tina says:

    I was hopi g that Air Rottie would fly the,m to me.

    But a trajectory beyond the basement is not possible.

  484. VictrC says:

    That would be awesome if the anti-malaria medicine works for Corona, since I have a bunch in the house courtesy of trips to Africa!!

    On a serious note, let’s hope these combinations, HCQ + Z pack, anti-malaria, etc, work. This could end up saving many many many lives.

  485. VictrC says:

    Oh…and 500 bit*&es!!!

  486. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, beer has a anti-viral effect. Don’t forget to get your favorite craft beer

  487. MichiganGuy says:

    Ilhan Omar offers Trump rare praise for coronavirus response
    .
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/ilhan-omar-offers-trump-rare-praise-for-coronavirus-response/
    Even the queen of the Trump haters give him praise.

  488. Bitterlaw says:

    https://dig.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/pdf/20200319-Life-Sustaining-Business.pdf

    I’m not sure llama husbandry is allowed to be open.

  489. Phil says:

    503 This tells me Democrats have seen polling that shows Trump has good numbers on his handling on the crisis.

    Has to be it.

  490. VictrC says:

    Tina. – Twitter already took down that tweet!!!! Crazy

    Bitter – dont forget the proper social distance is reached when you can fit an adult llama between two people. (BTW I kid you not, that was one of the recommendations!!)

  491. Scooterboy says:

    In that Survey USA poll. Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Trump is handling the COVID-19?

    Independents:

    Approve 48%
    Disapprove 38%

  492. VictrC says:

    Scooter

    Even in the D’s his approval rating is mid 20’s. The only group that doesn’t approve overall is Black Americans. Every other demographic approves.

  493. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason told us llamas want to be close to him. Disturbingly close.

  494. Scooterboy says:

    New National Harris Poll
    3/17-3/18
    Trump’s Approval Rating

    Overall: 53%
    Handling COVID: 56%
    Stimulating jobs: 60%
    The economy: 60%
    Fighting terrorism 58%
    Immigration: 53%
    Foriegn affairs: 52%
    Administrating the government: 51%

  495. Tina says:

    These are the job announcements

    Amazon hiring 100k people
    Kroger hiring 200k people
    Walmart 150k people
    Dominoes 10,000 people

  496. Tina says:

    This again looks bad.where is the list from the House of Reps?

    Jennifer Jacobs
    @JenniferJJacobs
    ·
    4m
    Four US senators sold stock after sensitive briefings in January about threat of coronavirus, sparking concerns that they put safeguarding their private finances before their duty to protect public health: Inhofe,
    Feinstein, Loeffler, Burr.

  497. Tgca says:

    So if all 4 senators selling stock resign after getting Coronavirus updates is true, the Dems get to pick up one seat in the senate upon governor replacement. Thanks to Burr from the pedophile and racist state of a North Carolina.

  498. jason says:

    Messy Moron, Roadkill Maggot, Amoral Scumbag hardest hit.

    A new poll shows 55 percent of Americans approve of President Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic despite continued failures and a steady stream of misinformation from the White House podium.

    According to an ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday, approval of Trump’s COVID-19 response is up from 43 percent last week to 55 percent now, while 43 percent disapprove.

  499. jason says:

    Tina beat me to it.

    She should be asleep.

  500. jason says:

    If there is at least one Dem the calls for resignation will subside.

  501. Phil says:

    North Carolina law requires the sitting governor to appoint a replacement from the same party as the sitting senator who was replaced….so no, the NC seat would remain in Republican hands.

    However, I would be surprised if those turn out to be the only senators once people start digging. Then there are the House members…..

  502. Country Dick Montana says:

    Nikki Haley resigns from Boeing board over bailouts. Good for her. I love this woman and she should be the first woman President of the US. I always thought that was Trump’s plan when he took a Governor of a small southern state with little international experience and put her in the UN. A fighter and a person with Integrity.

  503. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_pat_buchanan/are_americans_all_in_for_a_long_coronavirus_war

    Don’t agree with Pat all of the time, but I had this same conversation last night. Let’s see what happens in PA. I give it a week before the beginning of civil disobedience. As Pat says, we are a nation of rule breakers…and thank goodness for that.

  504. jason says:

    It doesn’t seem to me the senators received any “secret information”. Schumer was out talking about the session as soon as it was over as were others.

    I really don’t have a problem with them selling stock if they thought the crisis would affect the markets.

    These are wealthy people who often rely on financial advisors to make decisions.

    Millions of people sold stock, that is why the Dow crashed.

  505. jason says:

    Pat Buchanan is a flaming anti-semite. I never care to read what he thinks or writes. I think he is a despicable human being.

  506. jason says:

    “Years of isolation”

    Buchanan is a moron.

  507. Phil says:

    Overreacting?

    Hell yes we are overreacting. Destroying the economy.

    …..but unfortunately there is no pulling back the draconian measures at this point. It a runaway train and politicians won’t risk pulling back the reigns. The Stanford professor is being rational. He isn’t running for office He can look at things from a rational, fact based view weighing the costs of all this. Our office holders are being overly reactive because of what they believe are safe politics. Again, in the process they are completely gutting the economy.

    God help us.

  508. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

    Great information on just one state, Washington.

    7% of those tested are positive

    59% of deaths are people over 80 (Skewed due to Kirkland no doubt)
    Another 26% of deaths between 70 and 80
    8% between 60 and 70.

    0% under 40

    93% over the age of 60.

  509. Country Dick Montana says:

    I don’t think that it will take years of isolation, just a week or two before people say screw it. I agree with everything you say about Pat Buchanan.

  510. Phil says:

    That is some good information from Washington. I haven’t seen that breakdown by age. Very significant. Again, shows this is overhyped like crazy. I wish we could do things over before we went down the path we’ve gone down.

  511. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications/older-adults.html

    I posted this last night. Nationally 80% over 60 years old. There is a clinical paper that you can read here to, but it is pretty esoteric.

  512. Hugh says:

    Phil is absolutely right.

  513. jason says:

    60 doesn’t seem that old to me anymore.

  514. Country Dick Montana says:

    The 60 group is 60 to 69, so it probably is closer to the upper limits as opposed to the lower. And 60 is not old.

  515. jason says:

    So again, if we had tried to quarantine those over 70 for 30 days and everyone else at higher risk it would have been a better strategy.

    Too late now.

  516. jason says:

    I don’t know if that is correct but according to this only 64 cases are “critical” in the US

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

  517. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus-richard-burr-stock/

    Sen. Richard Burr, who sold stock before pandemic, voted in 2012 against banning insider trading for Congress

    What a piece of sh1t Richard Burr is,

  518. jason says:

    Sen. Richard Burr, who sold stock before pandemic, voted in 2012 against banning insider trading for Congress”

    So, if anything, he is consistent.

    But the fact is there is no insider trading here.

  519. jason says:

    “Burr didn’t sell his stock until three weeks after the briefing. Why would he wait 21 days? That’s an eternity in the stock market.”

    So it is pretty obvious it has nothing to do with the briefing.

  520. jason says:

    “Loeffler and her husband have a combined net worth of over $500 million. If we take the midpoint of the $1.2 to $3.1 million range indicated on the Senate disclosure form, the third party investment manager sold stock valued at $2 million. The market has fallen by roughly 33 percent. So the Loeffler saved $700,000 by selling the stock. This equates to .14 of one percent, or .0014 of their net worth.”

  521. Wes says:

    I see the HHR equivalent of John Wayne Gacy didn’t do his homework and look into how the Governor appoints replacements for Senate vacancies.

    That’s typical. He knows exactly nothing about anything political but pontificates about how some prediction he supposedly wrote but never posted about Trump’s 2016 victory was correct.

  522. jason says:

    Feinstein?

    Finally, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and her husband sold between $1.5 million and $6 million in stock in California biotech company Allogene Therapeutics, between Jan. 31 and Feb. 18, The New York Times reported.

    According to her spokesman, Tom Mentzer, “All of Senator Feinstein’s assets are in a blind trust, she has no involvement in her husband’s financial decisions.”

  523. jason says:

    It is sad to see “conservatives” attacking Burr and Loeffler when they don’t have all the facts.

  524. jason says:

    Loeffler :

    “This is a ridiculous and baseless attack. I do not make investment decisions for my portfolio. Investment decisions are made by multiple third-party advisors without my or my husband’s knowledge or involvement.”

  525. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Tax day officially pushed back to July 15. Hallelujah

  526. Tina says:

    If they all did it via blind trust, they have a valid argument.

    With Frankenstein, who is tied to,China, her spouse gives her an out too. Ima, sure hers is blind trust

    there are many house me,bears that have done the same.

  527. jason says:

    Bummer. First time I actually have time to do taxes by April 15 and it gets pushed back?

  528. jason says:

    Great question you would never hear from the MSM.

    Listen to this great question @ChanelRion of @OANN
    Is it alarming that major media players are are consistently siding w foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals, and Latin gangs and cartels, and they work right here at the White House with direct access to you and your staff.”

  529. Phil says:

    So Wes, am I correct that Cooper would have no choice but to appoint a Republican IF Burr were to step down?

  530. jason says:

    bears that have done the same.”

    See, even the bears sold.

    Most of them were invested in picnic basket and honey producers.

  531. jason says:

    I doubt Burr is going to step down.

    He is sort of a spineless wonder, but I can’t believe he would be THAT spineless.

    There wasn’t anything “insider” in the briefing, and in any case he sold his stock 3 weeks later.

    If anything I commend him for being smarter than I was.

  532. Phil says:

    No, I don’t think so either, Jason. Just playing “what if” here.

  533. Tgca says:

    Thanks for the additional info Phil. I was not aware of that rule in NC but my point though is that though none of this may be illegal, folks will make great hay of it. I would like to see a complete list of all senators and CongressCritters stock trades he last month before judgment is passed, as Tina and Jadon suggested.

  534. Tina says:

    This loon needs to be dumped

    Joy Reid
    @JoyAnnReid
    · 2h
    “The demographics, work patterns and media habits of President Trump’s base are putting many of his supporters at elevated risk for the health and economic impacts of coronavirus.” https://axios.com/trump-supporters-coronavirus-8ba57403-4a5a-4256-89b2-c286ecccd337.html

  535. Tina says:

    Good advice.

    23
    79
    199

    Greta Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    ·
    1h
    Smartest thing Biden could do right now is say, “We have one president at a time. I support the president. Everyone should support the president and I stand by ready to help if asked.”

    But he’s senile, and the leftists running his campaign think CNN and Twitter are real life.

  536. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    One good thing about the virus for Slow Joe – few people must be watching his weird videos where he gets confused and his wife has to bail him out. Why they do those live is beyond me. The man is clearly senile and it’s sad to watch

  537. jason says:

    If you want to cast blame, this single statement by the WHO did the most damage.

    PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS DONE BY CHINESE AUTHORITIES HAVE FOUND NO CLEAR EVIDENCE OF HUMAN TO HUMAN TRANSMISSION OF THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS (2019-COV)IDENTIFIED IN WUHAN, CHINA.

  538. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Ruh roh…

    Kellyanne Conway
    ?
    @KellyannePolls
    Big jump for ?@realDonaldTrump? in new ?@ABC? #poll

    “55% of Americans approve of the president’s management of the crisis, compared to 43% who disapprove.”

    Last week #s were reversed: 43% approve; 55% disapprove
    Approval among Dems doubled

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/coronavirus-upends-nation-americans-lives-changed-pandemic-poll/story?id=69696172

  539. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETjoPdzXkAMo57O?format=png&name=900×900

    US cases of whuflu in comparison to other nations.

  540. jason says:

    The idea that people in government have to hold on to their stocks when everyone else is selling is asinine.

  541. jason says:

    The MSM is doing what it can to make this Trump’s “Katrina”.

    Many people are on to them. Unfortunately, some are not.

  542. jason says:

    Dow is down 10 points.

    Time for Roadkill Maggot to make an appearance.

  543. jason says:

    Will Roadkill Maggot call for Feintein’s resignation?

    Stay tuned.

  544. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @561 important to note that those arent adjusted for population. As far as infection rate, we are not even in top 50. US is currently 44 per 1M vs Italy is 679 per 1M

  545. Country Dick Montana says:

    561- the chart is a little misleading as it is based on absolute numbers. The case rate per million is population is:

    Italy-679
    Spain – 437
    Iran – 234
    Germany – 212
    China – 56

    US -44

    Japan – 8
    Hong Kong 34

    It would make sense that in a country with a higher population the raw number may be higher.

  546. dblaikie says:

    ABC news poll reveals Trump has a 55% approval for his handling of this virus. All trolls

  547. dblaikie says:

    All trolls hardest hit.

  548. Tgca says:

    543

    Hey my good North Carolina friend Ilhan “Wes” Omar who claims to be a political genius yet has frequent hissy fits and tantrums that lead to his false GOP predictions.

    Great to hear from you. How goes? You still giving hundreds of men back rubs. We know how you love your job.

    Are the bars closed in N.C. too? That must be frustrating since folks can’t go out seeking young fragile emotionally unstable girls and slipping them date-rape drugs to sleep with before forcing them into ABORTIONS later on. Damn! That sucks!

    Well, keep in touch Ilhan.

    Miss you.

    Hugs and kisses.

  549. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/the-federal-reserve-is-expanding-its-asset-purchases-to-include-municipal-bonds.html

    Fed expands asset purchases to include muni bonds.

    aka Illinois finally gets its bailout for giving all its minimum wage workers multi-million dollar pensions.

  550. jason says:

    I don’t agree completely with John Hinderaker but I do think this.

    I don’t think we should do a “national shutdown”. I think limiting gatherings, employing social distancing, closing restaurant dining rooms and cancelling sporting events, etc. makes sense.

    “Posted on March 20, 2020 by John Hinderaker in Coronavirus
    Stop the Insane Overreaction

    The economic devastation that is now playing out before our eyes is not caused by the Wuhan flu virus. In the last 21 days, approximately 162,000 Americans have died. Of that number, 150 were killed by the Wuhan virus. If governments at all levels had done nothing, other than eliminating regulatory barriers to the deployment of already-existing medicines, would the virus have killed more Americans? Yes, that is what flu bugs do. Would it kill more than the 13,000 or so who have died from this year’s seasonal flu virus? Who knows? More than the estimated 80,000 who were killed by the flu in the U.S. just two years ago? I doubt it: world-wide, it has killed only a little more than one-tenth that number.

    The answers to those questions are speculative, but this is not: by dictating a virtual cessation of economic activity, governments at all levels, but especially state and local, are causing an economic collapse the likes of which, if it continues, we have not seen since the Great Depression, if ever. When has such a government-caused disaster comparably devastated a non-socialist country? Not often. The inflation of the Weimar Republic comes to mind.

    I agree with the Wall Street Journal editorial that Scott quoted from this morning, but I think it is too mild. Here is a prediction: the deaths of Americans caused by the Wuhan flu bug will be dwarfed by the suicides committed by people whose life’s savings have been wiped out, whose businesses have been bankrupted, whose jobs have been lost, and whose prospects have been blighted by the insane overreaction we now see from our governments. That overreaction must stop. Right now. Before it is too late, if it is not too late already.”

  551. mRviTO says:

    Virus doomers and economy doomers are both overreacting right now.

  552. Victrc says:

    The retort to thet article comes down to 3 words. “What if”

    What if he’s wrong and the virus takes 200,000 lives. Are we willing to accept that? 500,000? 1,000,000?

    What’s the acceptable number of lives that we’re willing to trade with something we don’t know about. They shut down China and got 3,000 dead that we know about (I’d bet my last dollar it’s infinitely higher). What if they hadn’t closed the country down? Would that have been 30,000?

    Are we willing to risk what if?

    Some will say yes. Some will say no. What’s our responsibility under the social contract we have with each other.

    More so, and especially for critics of the President, would you, as the sole decision maker responsible for 320,000,000 people be ok with risking those lives?

  553. jason says:

    They shut down China and got 3,000 dead”

    They didn’t shut down China, they isolated Wuhan but 5 million people had already escaped.

    “What if he’s wrong and the virus takes 200,000 lives. Are we willing to accept that?”

    Maybe. We accept 100 people a day killed in automobile accidents but we don’t outlaw cars. We accept 200 deaths a day from the flu without shutting down our economy. We accept 1300 deaths a day from smoking without outlawing tobacco.

    I would answer that we take reasonable steps to combat the virus, as we would any other health concern. If we completely destroy the economy, we will in effect cause a lot of deaths from other csuses… suicides, depression, poor health from resulting drug or alcohol abuse, loss of health insurance, etc.

  554. lisab says:

    i said that trump was doing a pretty good job

    and the trolls got angry.

    among regular people, they don’t see anything else that he could do, and it is not like the dems have suggested anything alternative.

  555. jason says:

    More so, and especially for critics of the President, would you, as the sole decision maker responsible for 320,000,000 people be ok with risking those lives?”

    I would implement the CDC guidelines. Mobilize the country to treat the serious cases.

    I think if the strategy is to have zero deaths the positives do not outweigh the negatives.

  556. jason says:

    “FLASHBACK: On January 31st,

    President Trump announced restrictions on Travel to and from China in response to Coronavirus.

    HHS Sec. Alex Azar declared a Public Health Emergency

    Joe Biden called it “Hysterical Xenophobia” and “Fear Mongering”

  557. Tgca says:

    I suggest you all watch Logan’s Run from 1976 with a supporting role by a pre-Charlie’s Angel Farrah Fawcett.

    That might be the answer to the Coronavirus sickness spread concerns since it appears older people like Walt and Jadon are most at risk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYX7G1pVXx8

  558. jason says:

    Joe Biden called it “Hysterical Xenophobia” and “Fear Mongering”

    Should we charge Biden with “murder”?

    THe people lying about Trump calling the virus a hoax (he didn’t) are the same ones giving Biden a pass for calling it “fear mongering”.

  559. lisab says:

    italy had 627 people die yesterday

    and it has not leveled off

    that is what could happen here

  560. jason says:

    Waiting for someone to say Biden didn’t call the virus fear mongering so I can yell:

    BINGO

  561. lisab says:

    in contrast, yesterday in the usa 8 people died

    a dramatic DECREASE from the day before when fifty people died

  562. jason says:

    Looking at the CA order, it is not that different from PA.

    “The mandatory order allows Californians to continue to visit gas stations, pharmacies, grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores, takeout and delivery restaurants, banks and laundromats. People can leave their homes to care for a relative or a friend or seek healthcare services.

    It exempts workers in 16 federal critical infrastructure sectors, including food and agriculture, healthcare, transportation, energy, financial services, emergency response and others.

  563. Cash Cow TM says:

    When you all go out in public and let loose a little cough…and everyone turns and looks at you with a questioning eye and they wonder if YOU have the coronavirus….

    …THAT was MY life EVERY DAY during the Mad Cow epidemic!

  564. lisab says:

    looks like the deaths yesterday is going to be about 28

  565. lisab says:

    the scary part is

    italy is 10 days BEHIND us

    that is, we have had the virus in the usa 10 days LONGER than italy

  566. lisab says:

    When you all go out in public and let loose a little cough…and everyone turns and looks at you
    ———————

    that is how i secured my toilet paper

    a little cough and i got 3 huge packages!

  567. DW says:

    Trump approval – Emerson

    46/45

  568. Tgca says:

    585

    I gave up eating gummy bears during the Mad Cow disease epidemic. It was truly frightening.

    https://www.popsugar.com/fitness/Gelatin-Made-Out-What-84889

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbB32ecyYWk

  569. Tina says:

    All because trump said give them the malaria drug, it may work,it may not. Initial reports indicate it works.

    CNN Politics
    @CNNPolitics
    · 8h
    Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times | Analysis https://cnn.it/2QvniyI

  570. Hunter says:

    So basically today’s Republican party is ideologically the same as the 2008 Democratic party. Cheers.

  571. lisab says:

    the good news about chloroquine is that it is chemically similar to quinine

    sooooooooooo … the old british trick of drinking gin and tonics to prevent malaria may also work with coronavirus

    the bad news is that tonic water today conains about a tenth the quinine it used to

    sooooooooooo … we need to drink 10 times as much

  572. lisab says:

    hunter, the old let the “free market work” is simply not going to work for most people

    for example, almost no one could live in forida if we kept to the rule of no bailouts. they get hit with hurricanes almost every year and the midwest gets hit with tornadoes every year

    they all get bailed out

    the feds are the insurance company for “acts of god”

  573. Hunter says:

    So you’re saying the Republican has no choice but to behave like the 2008 Democratic Party. Ok then.

  574. Hugh says:

    591. There was a time when people cared about what cnn said.

  575. Hunter says:

    Remember when we thought bailouts that lined CEO’s pockets and dictating to corporations how to run their businesses were bad ideas?

  576. Tina says:

    Will Chamberlain Retweeted

    Matt Gaetz
    @mattgaetz
    ·
    2h
    With all of the money Chairman Burr saved in the #SenateSelloff, maybe he can reimburse the legal bills innocent people incurred during the phony Senate Russia investigation he led?

  577. lisab says:

    i am saying that the federal government is the insurer of “acts of god”

    regardless of party

    and necessarily so

  578. NYCmike says:

    DC (save us!)

  579. Proud Obamacon says:

    King Orange should just let Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx run point on the pressers and keep his incompetent mouth shut.

    Dr Fauci and Dr Birx have been great. They are the Only voices of reason and only voices that I trust.

  580. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @601 Agreed on Fauci and Birx. They are a big part of Trump’s rapidly rising bipartisan approval on handling COVID.

  581. mRviTO says:

    A little cough and I got 3 huge packages?

    Was Lisab giving out physicals at the A-Hole clubhouse?

  582. Tina says:

    Dr. Bird is better though. She has a better tv voice.

  583. Tina says:

    Dr. Birx

  584. NYCmike says:

    I used to cough to cover up the sound of a fart.
    Now I fart to cover up the sound of a cough.

  585. Tina says:

    Does China Biden still believe that this action is racist?

    Elizabeth Harrington
    ?
    @LizRNC
    Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says @realDonaldTrump stopping travel very early from China “has gone a long way” in fight against coronavirus

    “Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border.”

  586. Proud Obamacon says:

    Great reaction by Dr Fauci when Orange mentions “Deep State Department”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-coronavirus-doctor-puts-head-174500946.html

  587. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @609 looks like he got a laugh out of it

  588. jason says:

    Dr Fauci and Dr Birx have been great. They are the Only voices of reason and only voices that I trust.”

    Roadkill Maggot is lucky to have a leader that appoints people he can trust.

    He could have gotten Hillary.

    I can see her presser now. “Trust me, I have experience under fire in Bosnia”

  589. jason says:

    I am switching from dirty martinis to vodka tonics.

    Sue me.

  590. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Former 2020 presidential candidate and billionaire Michael Bloomberg is going back on his word to keep his staffers employed through November and is cutting them off without any health insurance during the coronavirus pandemic

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/20/mike-bloomberg-leaves-former-2020-staffers-with-no-health-insurance-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

  591. Proud Obamacon says:

    “@609 looks like he got a laugh out of it”

    Not quite, sport. Looks like he was shaking his head thinking “Get this Orange fool off this stage”

  592. Phil says:

    Another compassionate Democrat

    Mike will get it done.

  593. NYCmike says:

    “@609 looks like he got a laugh out of it”

    -Totally chuckling, that good doctor!

  594. jason says:

    i am saying that the federal government is the insurer of “acts of god”

    Actually not.

    The bulk of the costs of natural disaster like hurricanes and tornadoes are paid by insurance companies in the private sector.

    The government uses some taxpayer money for immediate relief and rebuilding loans, but most of the damage to homeowners and businesses are paid by insurance companies.

    “Homeowners Claims Settlements from Private Insurers Estimated at Nearly $15.5 Billion”

    NEW YORK, August 22, 2006 – One year after Hurricane Katrina, nearly 95 percent of homeowners insurance claims have been settled in Louisiana and Mississippi, insurance companies have paid billions in storm damage claims and the vast majority of homeowners in both states say they are satisfied with their insurance company.

    The Insurance Information Institute (I.I.I.) estimates that more than 993,000 homeowners insurance claims have been settled in the two states, totaling nearly $15.5 billion. Homeowners insurers ultimately will pay more than one million homeowners claims totaling $16.4 billion from Hurricane Katrina.

    In Louisiana, insurers have settled 658,700 homeowners claims or 94.8 percent of expected homeowners claims from Hurricane Katrina, totaling $10.3 billion, reported the I.I.I. In Mississippi, 334,800 or 94.3 percent of expected homeowners claims, totaling $5.2 billion, have been settled.

    Some 99 percent of 305,000 claims from damaged vehicles totaling $2 billion have been settled in both states.”

  595. jason says:

    Not that I think Trump believes in free markets.

    He doesn’t.

  596. jason says:

    Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says @realDonaldTrump stopping travel very early from China “has gone a long way” in fight against coronavirus

    “Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border.”

    He must be a racist xenophobe…

  597. Hunter says:

    Sorry but if you manage your business wrong, you get no bailout. Government should beef up unemployment payments to help the worker that got screwed by its foolish executives.

    Why bailout and enable this behavior? Sorry, I’m not on board and I remember not long ago when conservatives agreed with my way of thinking.

  598. lisab says:

    flood insurance is from the Feds

  599. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Proud Obamacon says:

    Not quite, sport. Looks like he was shaking his head thinking “Get this Orange fool off this stage”
    ———————————–

    Nah, watch it again. You seem desperate for an own today

  600. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Nah, watch it again. You seem desperate for an own today”

    believe what you want in your twisted alternate world.

  601. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Proud Obamacon says:

    believe what you want in your twisted alternate world.
    ———————–

    No need to use your nails, dear. We’re all friends here

  602. NYCmike says:

    “believe what you want in your twisted alternate world.”

    -In my “twisted alternate world”, I didn’t see Dr. Fauci walk off the stage and quit when the remark was made, which means he knows how to act like an adult…..then there is you and the liberal media making an issue out of this supposed “facepalm”….

    Yet, still we have President Trump.

  603. Proud Obamacon says:

    Umm ok then…

  604. Proud Obamacon says:

    Of course he didn’t walk off the stage and quit, he is a professional who knows how to behave like an adult and understands the seriousness of the situation. Wish I could say the same for your orange fantasy.

  605. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I totally support Trump in his push for the use of chloroquine. It has been shown to work in several clinical trials, and doctors are stating in the U.S. that it is very beneficial:

    “Hydroxychloroquine, sold under the brand name Plaquenil — and also used to treat arthritis and other ailments — was determined to be effective in killing the deadly bug in laboratory experiments, Forbes reported, citing findings published March 9 in the Clinical Infectious Diseases journal.

    “(W)e predict that the drug has a good potential to combat the disease,” the study’s authors, most from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan, wrote in a letter published in Cell Discovery on Wednesday, according to the report.

    Now, French physician-researchers have completed a largely successful clinical trial using the drug — approved for use in the US in 1955 — to treat confirmed COVID-19 patients, according to a study published Wednesday.

    A total of 36 patients — including 20 treated individuals and 16 infected controls — were enrolled in the study, led by Didier Raoult, an infectious disease expert from l’Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire in Marseille.

    The treated group was given 600 mg of Plaquenil each day.

    The researchers found that 50 percent of the treated group turned from positive to negative for the virus by the third day — and by day six, that figure was up to 70 percent.”

    One of the reason the Compassionate Use Act was passed in the 1980s was the federal regulators had bottled up the approval of potential AIDS drugs for years, because of testing requirements. Fauci was one of the main culprits in this regard. Thankfully with compassionate use, doctors can use chloroquine freely, and they are doing so. It is important that potential life saving drugs not be blocked by federal red tape.

  606. Hugh says:

    PO is upset. Looking for anything. Trump’s getting more popular partially because it’s so obvious Joe Dementia could never handle this crisis.

  607. mRviTO says:

    That ABC poll has gotten under some skin, I guess.

  608. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Speaking of alternate worlds, PO, did you see this from ABC this morning? vvvvv

    An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 55 percent of respondents approve of Trump’s management of the public health crisis, while 43 percent disapprove. The latest figures represent a boost in the president’s rating from the previous iteration of the survey, published one week ago, which showed only 43 percent approval for Trump and 54 percent disapproval.

    And this includes a doubling of support…. FROM DEMOCRATS

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570

  609. Tina says:

    New poll

    Trump plus 16 approval on coronavirus handling

    https://morningconsult.com/form/tracking-public-opinion-on-the-coronavirus/

  610. Phil says:

    ‘thar ABC poll has gotten under some skin”

    Yep.

  611. Tina says:

    Can somebody ask one of Biden’s helpers if China Biden still is for keeping the borders open?

  612. Phil says:

    Florence Italy mayor – welcome the Chinese. Hug one today.

  613. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Optimism grows that drugs from past outbreaks may treat coronavirus.”

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/optimism-grows-antivirals-past-viral-outbreaks-may-effectively-treat

  614. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    One reason that I believe Trump’s popularity has gone up is the public has gotten tired of the Democrats attempting to turn coronavirus into a political issue. Its sort of repulsive.

  615. Proud Obamacon says:

    You do know that there are plenty of Democrats who approve of the response but will still never vote for an R? LOL

  616. Proud Obamacon says:

    Let me throw some cold water on yall

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Biden 53, Trump 47 Biden +6

    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Emerson Sanders 53, Trump 47 Sanders +6

    #blue.wave.rising

  617. Phil says:

    Yep. The partisans in each party will vote the way they always do. That’s not even an issue.

    What counts is the trend among independents in the polls released today. Indies will determine the election and trump is plus double digits with them in all three polls on the crisis.

    With Trump at 95 among Republicans his numbers with independents is what matters and Trump has helped himself with this swing group.

  618. lisab says:

    That ABC poll has gotten under some skin, I guess.
    —————

    abc is notoriously right wing

  619. lisab says:

    the absence of biden is going to hurt him later

    where is joe?

    will become

    where was joe?

  620. jason says:

    The fact Biden doesn’t do better than Sanders is pretty telling…..

    So much for “electability”.

    But of course, Road Kill Maggot was here telling us for months Hillary was going to win too.

    “We have GA and AZ locked down, fighting for TX”.

  621. jason says:

    Bloomberg gives his campaign $1 billion, screws over his workers.

  622. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Coronavirus Update in California by the Numbers

    ?1,006 – Positive cases
    ?19 – Deaths (including one non-California resident)

    ?Ages of all confirmed positive cases:
    ??Age 0-17: 18 cases
    ??Age 18-64: 711 cases
    ??Age 65+: 273 cases
    ??Unknown: 4 cases

    ?982 – Cases not related to repatriation flights
    ??86– Travel-related
    ??108 – Person to person
    ??266 – Community transmission
    ??522 – Under investigation
    ??24 – Cases of positive tests related to federal repatriation flights

    ?22 – State and county health labs currently providing testing

    ?23,200 tests have been conducted in California. This includes the latest numbers California has received from commercial and private labs. At least 11,487 results have been received and another 11,700+ are pending.

  623. lisab says:

    they should go with sanders

    joe is looking bad

  624. lisab says:

    sanders would be perfect at a time when there is a lot of unemployment

  625. Phil says:

    ABC poll released October 23rd, 2016 two weeks before the election.

    Hillary 50. Trump 38.

    So yeah, today’s ABC poll is telling.

  626. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    646. 1,006 positive cases, and only 19 deaths. Do the math. Then consider what percentage of the population is infected, but has not been tested.

  627. jason says:

    Sovereign immunity?

    “The House Intelligence Committee and its chairman Adam Schiff invoked “sovereign immunity” in a motion to dismiss a Judicial Watch lawsuit seeking to obtain controversial phone records subpoenas issued during the Trump impeachment inquiry.

    The committee’s subpoenas of phone records ultimately led to the publication of multiple Americans’ phone records, including those of reporter John Solomon, California Rep. Devin Nunes, the president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani and others.”

  628. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Proud Obamacon says:
    March 20, 2020 at 6:13 pm

    Let me throw some cold water on yall…
    ————————

    Biden at +6 when it is 7.5 months out and the country is not yet familiar with his nutty views or his rapidly deteriorating mental state… That’s not much of a throw. But I’m guessing your little beta-male arms would have trouble lifting your chai latte.

    Today might not be your day…

  629. lisab says:

    1,006 positive cases, and only 19 deaths. Do the math. Then consider what percentage of the population is infected, but has not been tested
    ————————-

    however, if we were going through what italy is going through, we would have 3600 people dying per day

  630. jason says:

    CNN slams Trump for “offering hope”.

    https://twitter.com/wagtoons/status/1241091257612435456?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1241091257612435456&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fnick-arama%2F2020%2F03%2F20%2Fcnn-chastises-the-president-for-daring-to-offer-unsubstantiated-hope%2F

  631. Pitchaboy says:

    Mortality running at 1.3 %
    Dr. Fauci should be asked just one question; if you caught the virus tomorrow, what drug would u want? My bet: hydroxychloroquine.

  632. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Governor Inslee, who is governor of arguably the state hardest hit with the new coronavirus, is refusing to issue a “stay at home order” Likewise Trump opposes a national lockdown.

    “Gov. Jay Inslee will not issue a stay-at-home order or anything similar to that on Friday for Washington state, the governor’s Chief of Staff David Postman said.

    * * *
    “We don’t feel it’s necessary to take that next step (Friday) in terms of shutting down more businesses,” Postman added. “We are generally all going for the same goal, which is reducing the number of people who are coming into contact with other people.”

    Earlier Friday, President Donald Trump said he saw no need for a national lock-down

  633. jason says:

    According to that Worldometer site, US had 5000 more cases. But 30 new deaths.

    That is what knocked down the mortality rate to 1.25%.

  634. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In my California urban neighborhood, it appears there are the same amount, if not more people, outside today than in past days — despite Newsom’s directive.

  635. jason says:

    No change in my area either…lot of closed stores but the fast food joints are very busy.

  636. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    659. Given the lack of knowledge of how many people are actually infected, any claim of a mortality rate is a guess. There is very little testing going on, and people are being diagnosed mainly when they have symptoms.

  637. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Newsom’s order may provide a major benefit by clearing out crowded workspaces. People are out with their families, but they seem to be adhering to social distancing.

  638. Tina says:

    Retweeted

    Rich Hannigan ?
    @RichardVeii
    ·
    1h
    Joe Biden’s mind is like a web browser. 19 tabs are open, 17 are frozen and he has no idea where the music is coming from. ?

  639. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    An online petition is being circulated. Biden must choose Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner as VP, or they just will not vote.

    “The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is sick and tired of being ignored. We will only unite behind Joe Biden if we are absolutely certain he is willing to work with us. The only way he can earn that trust is to pick a true progressive for VP. Specifically, Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner. We will gladly unite behind Joe Biden if he makes this compromise. If not, we won’t vote in November or we will just vote 3rd party.”

    https://www.change.org/p/democratic-national-committee-joe-biden-must-chose-nina-turner-or-bernie-sanders-for-vp

  640. Wes says:

    Six six six—the Number of the Beast.

  641. John says:

    Can we please stop ‘downplaying’ this virus. As a conservative please stop this. This is a deadly virus. Instead of offering such trite overused analogies as ‘this’ and ‘that’ just accept the virus as is as…a deadly virus that has turned our economy upside down and and wreck other countries trying to seek answers.
    Please.

  642. Wes says:

    Damn! The spambot beat me to it.

  643. jason says:

    John, you are on the wrong site, nobody here is downplaying anything.

    Attacking those that want to hype this for political gain and partisan purposes is not downplaying it.

  644. jason says:

    “just accept the virus as is as”

    Talking about trite….

  645. jason says:

    Biden-Sanders ticket?

    What is that, almost 160 years of “experience”?

    Dang, if the Rs win the house the speaker will have a great chance of becoming President.

  646. Phil says:

    I don’t see anyone downplaying it…..outside of the Chicons that is.

  647. jason says:

    Given the lack of knowledge of how many people are actually infected, any claim of a mortality rate is a guess.”

    The mortality rate on identified cases is accurate.

    Yes, there are a lot more cases walking around, but what that tells us is the mortality rate is certainly lower.

  648. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    One of the the defining statements from the AIDS epidemic was: “Silence = Death”. A potential pandemic needs to be talked about; even if the discussion is painful.

  649. jason says:

    John might be watching too much CNN.

    At CNN, they are deathly afraid of anything that doesn’t fit their narrative.

  650. BayernFan says:

    Good thing Georgia GOP voters have Collins to vote for in the primary, eh?

  651. jason says:

    Collins will throw away the seat, he is a moron.

  652. jason says:

    The dishonest MSM is pretending that Trump responded to the question “what do you say to Americans who are afraid”?

    Except they leave out the first part of the question, which is what Trump was responding to.

    “Forgot this part at the beginning, Peter: “Is your impulse to put a positive spin on things maybe giving Americans a false sense of hope and misrepresenting your preparedness right now.”

  653. jason says:

    Loeffler didn’t do anything wrong, but let’s throw away the seat because she supposedly is not a 100% litmus tested deadender like Collins.

  654. jason says:

    Brit Hume:

    “Legitimate question my a**. It was the kind of bullsh*t gotcha question which hack WH reporters have been asking for decades. But instead of going off on the reporter, Trump should have said the whole briefing in all its particulars was a message to people who are scared”

  655. Victrc says:

    SDC – agreed. Keeping quiet and stigmatizing the disease led to a lot more people dying over the years than if we had had more knowledge early on.

    Let’s get some perspective on Corona. I keep hearing well, 22,.000 will die of flu this year, so its not a big deal. Ok, but that’s at a 0.0006 rate (which is less than the 1% they normally give it). Let’s say 30% of Americans became infected with the virus, that’s a death total of 57,600 dead. Are we ok with that number? Does that warrant shutting down the economy.

    Now lets go with what it will probably be at the end of the day 0.001, which is the flu from 2 years ago. Now thats 96,000 with a 30% infection rate. At a 50% infection rate that number becomes, 160,000. What about then, are we ok with that.

    If we use the Spanish flu as our multiplier, well then that number is 2,160,000. Anyone think that its worth it to save 2 million people?

    That is why we are taking the steps we are. WE DON’T KNOW YET. “What if”. What if its the Spanish Flu-like and we lose 2.1M people because we dind’t take steps.

  656. Tina says:

    Grenell just lit up Mcfool.

    Richard Grenell
    @RichardGrenell
    ·
    7m
    Completely disagree. When China pushes propaganda, US officials must speak out clearly. Asking US officials to stay silent is odd. Social media is how we communicate with the public. I’ll keep doing it.
    Quote Tweet

    Michael McFaul
    @McFaul
    · 11m
    At this time of crisis, the one who is charge of our entire intelligence community should not have the time or inclination to be tweeting right now about anything, let alone about policy issues! We have a bright red line between policy and intelligence for a reason! #GoBackToWork https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1241116539501371393

  657. Phil says:

    Collins would have huge problems in the Atlanta suburbs. The governor recognized this when he appointed Loeffler.

    Hannity is too stupid to recognize that. He thinks this is Georgia 2000.

  658. PresidentPaul! says:

    Believe it or not, none of this is priced into stocks yet.

    https://twitter.com/AndyPuzder/status/1240786753771974657?s=20

    Andy Puzder
    @AndyPuzder
    ·
    Mar 19
    What’s happening in the US economy in one chart. Year- over-year change in seated diners at restaurants for 38 states, as provided by OpenTable. The median state is down 95%. Hopefully, today’s Republican Senate bill will helps before these restaurants are gone.

  659. Cash Cow TM says:

    OK…

    Here are my caronavirus predictions predictions:

  660. Tina says:

    Can he speak for 2 hours?

    Will Jill or a health handler be there?

    Biden to conduct shadow briefings.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/biden-coronavirus-plannings-139629

  661. Cash Cow TM says:

    BY MAY 20, 2020

    : 100,000

  662. Cash Cow TM says:

    fing computer

    # deaths from CV-19: 400 (By May 20)
    # of cases: 100,000
    (some will be CV-19 serious, most being CV-19 lite)

    % of people testing positive 12% of population

  663. Country Dick Montana says:

    As of 0:00 GMT in the US: 258 total deaths.

    83 from WA (32%) and 152 (59%) from WA/NY/CA. The good news is that there were 51 deaths today compared to 57 yesterday.

    Someone mentioned above that WA may have turned the corner. It indeed looks like the number of deaths may be flattening. The last 4 days have seen 7,12,7 and 9 deaths.

    The number of new cases was 5290 compared to 4557 the day before or only 16% increase. It has been averaging about 38% daily increase.

  664. Cash Cow TM says:

    “…Biden must choose Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner as VP, or they just will not vote.”

  665. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Dang, if the Rs win the house the speaker will have a great chance of becoming President.”

    That’s not how succession works, but I’m not surprised you don’t know Civics 101.

  666. Cash Cow TM says:

    I hope he picks Tina Turner.

    Black gal, good singer.

    Hope there is room in the administration for Ike.

    “Proud Joe keep on Burning…
    …Rolling of the river.”

  667. Pitchaboy says:

    Mr. Cow: it will be 400 before you say moo. It is near 250 now

  668. PresidentPaul! says:

    Fastest 18% downturn in history

    Fastest bear market in history. Something that usually takes 30 weeks to achieve (a bear market) we achieved in only 3.4 weeks.

    The last time credit spreads were only this large on Mon, Sept15, 2008 and Nov 30th, 2000. What happened after credit spreads hit 9.06 in 2000: really bad things -40.93%. What about the 2008 case: very similar things -43.28% going forward from sept 15th 2008 a similar painful outcome. As long as credit spreads remain elevated, there is a need to err on the side of caution.

    On Thurs March 26 the US gov will release initial jobless claims.

  669. Proud Obamacon says:

    Huge fall in the markets due to incompetence making a bad situation much much worse.

    And Jason’s solution is to adopt Venezuela monetary policies .. ironic how he always brings up Venezuela. Now I know why LOL

  670. VictrC says:

    How low of Biden and his team to hold daily briefings on how they would handle things differently each day.

    There are seven and a half months until the election and plenty of time to criticize President Trump for whatever Biden considers to be his missteps AFTER the crisis is over, not each day during it.

    WTF is wrong with these people. How do you do this during a crisis. All they will do is mislead and confuse an already scared country. That’s not supporting the country in a time of crisis, just hurting us and undermining the credibility of those leading the fight.

    It’s real easy to criticize from the comfort of your living room when youre not out there fighting this battle.

    For once, just once I pray to the almighty Lord that he responds to this grotesque move by saying,

    “You know that, I’m not going to play politics right now. Ive got a country to lead and a crisis to solve and I’m not going to respond to Biden’s undermining our efforts from the comfort of his living room. He doesn’t have the information we have, nor the responsibility I and my team have. Let him play Monday Morning Quarterback, I’m too busy leading America through this to play with him.”

  671. Phil says:

    Vic,

    I like it. That will backfire big time. Can’t believe they are that stupid.

  672. VictrC says:

    It will really backfire if Trump doesn’t take the bait.

    But, reading the politico articles it makes me even sadder to see the disinformation campaign being carried out by the Press. Every word is twisted.

    For instance, he told states to “go ahead and get things if they can direct because it will be faster for them.” Translated to “states, youre on your own.” He said the former not the latter. How is that not a direct lie to the American people?

  673. Big Joe says:

    7-0-0 !

  674. Phil says:

    Relax, Vic. A majority of Americans see what is going on. They watched this media operate for the last three years. People aren’t blind. They see what’s happening.

  675. Victrc says:

    Phil

    I’m
    More worried about Trukp’s response than Biden’s conferences or the press’s adulation they will heap on them. They will do their best to make him look like he’s the President so he can take credit if what the WH does is successful.

    I don’t want Trump to take the bait. If he just ignores Biden he will be better off.

  676. jason says:

    Biden is marveling at modern technology…

    “They tell me there’s ways we can do teleconferencing via us all being in different locations,” Biden said”

  677. Proud Obamacon says:

    “A majority of Americans see what is going on.”

    Agreed, reminder:

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Biden 53, Trump 47 Biden +6

    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Emerson Sanders 53, Trump 47 Sanders +6

    A majority of Americans absolutely see what’s going on!

  678. Cash Cow TM says:

    gun sales are way up…

    loegal pot sales are way up…

    Beauty shops closed…some men are not going to like what they will have to see because of this.

    Home school kids are STILL is session…they are not happy.

    Isis whackadoodle suicide bombers are frustrated since they cannot find crowds of people larger than 5…

    panhandlers are being forced to use 6 foot long sticks to tape their change cups to…

    home injuries and accidents will skyrocket, since many people are sheltering in place AT HOME–and most accidents happen AT HOME!

    So far 2 dogs have been diagnosed with having coronavirus…sadly this will lead to lots of people abandoning their dogs.

    If beaches are closed for the Spring (and possibly summer)…this will lead to a big decline of foreign young people entering the U.S. to work at various jobs in beach towns.

  679. jason says:

    Biden will probably recommend chicken soup for the virus, with some Carter’s Liver Pills added for good measure.

    For serious cases he will tout leeches.

  680. Phil says:

    Hillary 50. Trump 38. Two wks before the election.

    Cling hard to those polls, pal.

    Didn’t help you much Election night, did it. LOL

  681. jason says:

    Good news from PA.

    “The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission has agreed to reopen all of service plazas that they shuttered earlier this week for Coronavirus.

    All 17 closed service plazas are set to reopen at 7 a.m. on Friday, March 20, according to a news release from the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission.

    Restroom facilities will be available to drivers 24 hours per day starting at 7 a.m. on Friday. Porta-potties will remain in place for use at the service plaza locations for another week.

    The service plazas will be offering limited food options for take-out only from 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Friday. After Friday, food will be served from 7 a.m. until 6 p.m. except at North Midway and Valley Forge locations which will offer food 24/7.

    Fuel and convenience stores will be available 24 hours a day.”

  682. Proud Obamacon says:

    Phil loves the ABC poll but dismisses the Emerson poll. He only likes polls that support his narrative, the rest are fake LOL

    Why does he no longer cream over Rasmussen? Oh right, Rasmussen now has a 46/52 approval number. Must be fake! LOLLL

  683. jason says:

    Keeping the trucks moving to supply the country is very important.

    Shutting down rest stops makes no sense.

  684. jason says:

    Rasmussen now has a 46/52 approval number.”

    If Trump is at 46 approval on election day he wins.

  685. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Proud Obamacon says:
    March 20, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    Agreed, reminder:

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Biden 53, Trump 47 Biden +6

    ——————————–

    Repeatedly posting that same +6 poll with more than 7 months out repeatedly just make you look sad….

  686. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Repeatedly posting that same +6 poll with more than 7 months out repeatedly just make you look sad….”

    We can’t post polls? I thought this was a polling site? I’m sure you have the same opinion of those touting the ABC poll above right? LOL

  687. Phil says:

    Post all the polls you want.

    Seven and a half months out. Knock yourself out.

  688. PresidentPaul! says:

    Tucker Targets Lindsey Graham – Who Wants Trump To Boost Visas To Rich Chinese Amid Corona Crisis

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tucker-targets-lindsey-graham-who-wants-trump-boost-visas-rich-chinese-amid-corona-crisis

  689. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @713 Oh come on- one poll has Biden up by 6 w over 7 months to go. You think any anyone here is quaking in their boots after 2016?

    Biden is senile as f***. Literally does not know where he is, when it is or what he’s running for. Hillary had none of those problems.

  690. MichiganGuy says:

    Trump handling of the coronavirus crisis.
    .
    Approve 55%
    Disapprove 43%
    .
    ABC News/Ipsos Poll
    .
    https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/michael-w-chapman/abc-newsipsos-poll-55-approve-trumps-handling-coronavirus
    —————————————————
    Sorry Robbie and the rest of the trolls. LOL

  691. Tgca says:

    Siete Uno Ocho Bebe!

    Siete Uno Ocho!

  692. jason says:

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    “WaPo Claims Joe Biden Didn’t Lie During Debate, He Just ‘Described His Stance Inaccurately’

  693. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag is a serial inaccurate stance describer.

  694. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fox News had a story about the initial studies using chloroquine, which are promising.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6143464335001#sp=show-clips

    Have to say that the “shelter in place” order in California has had some pleasant results. Things are less crowded and hectic; a lot of people are out walking and jogging. Everyone is friendly and pleasant. Its pretty mellow. Its like a tourist town in off-season.

    They are testing the homeless in my city, and the ones that test positive for coronavirus, or have possible symptoms, are being placed in motel that is secured.

  695. Victrc says:

    SDC. How dare you share unsubstantiated hope. You must be a partisan just worried about the election. For shame!

    Isn’t that truly sad though. To see the media and some on the left openly rooting for the President to fail during a crisis when people’s lives are at stake over ideology?

    God forbid it works and keeps deaths down to a minimum. No! Can’t let that happen because it might be good for Trump.

    Sad. Very very sad

  696. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    722. Yes, but on the other hand prudence is definitely a must now. Including social distancing and a lot of inconvenience. I do believe promising drugs are coming fast — and we need to cut the bureaucrat red tape to get them in use immediately.

    However, do not want to minimize the absolutely awful situation in Italy and other countries. Dr. Fauci is right that it is better to err on the side of caution — despite the inconvenience. We also need to “flatten to curb” to prevent our medical system being overwhelmed, like in Italy. Here is a example of the nightmare they are having in Bergamo, Italy when the medical system has been overwhelmed:

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

    Someone wrote of the differences between Dr. Fauci and Trump: “He (Fauci) is bending over backwards trying to say that he and trump are saying the same thing about hydroxychloroquine. He (Fauci) was saying that he wanted to put it out but monitor it and write a scientific study then approve it. Trump was like screw the study get it out to the people.”

  697. Victrc says:

    SDC

    First of I was being fecitious about the hope comment, parodying the CNN headline, but with that said…

    I actually agree with both men. I agree with Fauci, that it’s a decent idea to test, study, and then write a paper then distribute. In normal times, or even urgent times. But we’ve passed urgent.

    I’m Inclined to go with the Trump plan. Screw it. Give it to the people and maybe it saves lives. If we’ve seen enough people where it’s been used and no negative side effects then go balls to the wall. What the heck. If someone’s critical and this can help then do it now. Now could mean the difference between life and death for some.

  698. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    725. Totally agree with both your posts. I also think it is good to have Trump and Fauci working together, since they represent contrasting intelligent views. But am definitely with Trump on getting medicine to people now.

    Chloroquine is a commonly used drug; we know its side effects. There no reason not to use it with the initial tests showing is very beneficial. Thankfully with the compassionate use and off-label permitted use of approved drugs, doctors have it as an option already — from what I have heard, “front line” doctors are using it a lot.

  699. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Trump is getting strong approval numbers for his handling of the crisis:

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 53%
    Disapprove 47%
    @HarrisPoll
    3/17-18

    The job Donald Trump is doing in handling the spread of coronavirus in the United States:
    Approve 53%
    Disapprove 39%
    @MorningConsult
    3/17-20

    The way Trump is handling the federal government’s response to the outbreak of the Coronavirus: Approve 49% Disapprove 41%
    @EmersonPolling
    3/18-19

  700. Victrc says:

    SDC

    Well said

    I think the most impressive part of Trump’s handling of the situation is his deference to the scientists and his team. A good leader knows when to let the experts do their work and get out of the way, but coordinate them. That’s what he’s doing. He’s acting like a CEO which is his forte.

  701. Tina says:

    He is owning those coronavirus meetings. They run al ost 2 hours each day, he is doing most, but not all of the talking.

    I listen to them each day and cannot believe that the media misquotes, lies, and omits critical info.

  702. Bitterlaw says:

    Day 5 Trapped at Home – Sucks. Son and his girlfriend have moved in since the restaurant where they worked closed. Son’s college graduation probably cancelled.

  703. Bitterlaw says:

    I guess he knew when to fold ‘em.

    RIP, Kenny Rogers.

  704. Messy says:

    725-7 Chloroquine is merely a rumor at this stage (the covid19, stuff, not malaria–I took it when last in the tropics), second, Carter’s initial handling of the hostage crisis was very popular, which is why he won the 1980 nomination. The poll numbers are a rally-round-the-flag effect.

  705. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/regional/western-pa-authorities-unclear-about-enforcement-of-gov-wolfs-shutdown-order/

    PA governor Wolf delays martial law. Police are asking what particular statutes are they supposed to enforce.

  706. jason says:

    The poll numbers are a rally-round-the-flag effect.”

    LOL

    I think it is rally around someone who is doing what needs to be done despite the dishonest MSM effect.

  707. jason says:

    Hemmer also asked Fauci his opinion of the drug hydroxychloroquine after he appeared to tamp down President Trump’s optimism about the drug’s potential to treat coronavirus during an earlier briefing.

    “I’m not dismissing it at all, and I hope that interpretation wasn’t widespread,” the doctor answered, but added that there was “no definitieve proof it works.”

    “So what we need to do is get it availablle but do it in the context of a protocol … I wasn’t dismissing, I was saying we would be careful.”

  708. jason says:

    I listened to the briefing yesterday btw.

    Fauci said several times that he and Trump were basically saying the same thing.

    And Trump several times said look, it may not work, we will see, but I am optimistic, we have nothing to lose to give it a shot.

    The media is unbelievably crooked.

  709. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    When’s the last time a president won re-election after the stock market crashed by over 30%, Unemployment surged over 10%, and most of the country already hated him for the entirety of his presidency?

    Trump’s obsession was stocks was why the pandemic got so bad when we easily could’ve contained it like W. or Obama did … and now Stonks are gone.

    To think, Trump almost got away with postponing the recession past the election with his moron tax cut for the rich. Now we’ll all be paying for it.

  710. hugh says:

    a week ago I was fairly convinced trump would lose as we will now experience high unemployment, a recession and the stock market is tanked. In my view we still have months not weeks of this huge overreaction. Unfortunately for trump there is no way off the current path.

    But now as a second thought I think Trump may still win and win big. Prior to this economic mess I think a lot of independents particularly suburban women would say biden will be ok and we can get rid of that jerk Trump. However, I think they realize Joe Dementia can not bring back this economy and Trump can. Trump is the only safe bet.

  711. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8137221/President-Trump-ignored-CIA-warnings-coronavirus-pandemic-sources-claim.html

    Multiple government officials – including members of Trump’s administration – have told The Washington Post that President ignored intelligence warnings

    Officials were first alerted to the threat of COVID-19 on Jan 3, but Health Secretary Alex Azar allegedly had trouble contacting Trump until Jan 18

    CIA told Trump that China may have been ‘minimizing the severity of the outbreak’, but the President later praised the country for its ‘transparency’

    Anxious White House aides pressured Chief-of-Staff Mick Mulvaney to conduct regular meetings with

    Trump, but President was allegedly ‘dismissive’

    Trump continued to downplay threat of the virus on Twitter until early March

    Despite this, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had trouble contacting Trump until January 18.

    Two officials told The Post that when Azar finally got a hold of Trump over the phone and attempted to discuss the coronavirus, ‘the President interjected to ask about vaping and when flavored vaping products would be back on the market’. “

  712. TrumpIsPeteWilson says:

    Ah yes, Hugh is right. the 55% of the country that has hated Trump consistently that the man who CRASHED the stock market and the economy and now fills them with mass fear of their parents and grandparents dying is also the one they should be voting this fall.

    I wonder if even Hitler was this delusional?

  713. hugh says:

    741. We will know soon enough, but Joe Dementia is not up to the task and that is becoming more obvious by the day. This is a binary choice. Also, multiple government sources means nothing anymore to most voters except the far unhinged left.

  714. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @741 You’re not factoring in that Biden is senile and deteriorating fast.

    PS- Nice Daily Fail link. Show’s you’re a serious person

  715. Country Dick Montana says:

    “that the man who CRASHED the stock market”

    S&P -32%
    FTSE -30%
    Stoxx 600 -32%
    Nikki – -29%
    Hang Seng – 22%

    Did he crash all of them?

    BTW – Hitler reference – Drink

  716. Dominic Le says:

    I’m sure that’s what voters will be thinking of. “Well, everybody else doesn’t have a job either and their stock portfolios are bad too.” Let’s vote for Trump!

  717. Hugh says:

    745. You are right. Trump the businessman or senile Joe Dementia? It’s the obvious choice.

  718. Phil says:

    The trolls have been dispatched early. We even have a new one I see. LOL.

  719. Hugh says:

    Good morning Phil. Another day of unnecessary panic. I feel like we are in a nonfunny Groundhog Day part deux

  720. Country Dick Montana says:

    “Tom Melcher, business manager for the Pittsburgh Regional Building Trades Council, said construction projects across the region and 42,000 workers were at a standstill Friday morning.”

    These guys know the person and his party who has shut them down and stopped their paychecks (Average $40/hour with benefits.) Gov. Tom Wolf – Democrat.

    While their leaders might vote Dem, the rank and file might have other ideas.

  721. Phil says:

    Every day for the last three years has been Groundhog Day, Hugh. The only thing that changes is the club the MSM decides to use. Russians Russians Russians, Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine, Xenophobia, Xenophobia, Xenophobia Frankly, I hope they stay with this last flavor of the day. Makes them look even more ridiculous.

  722. Bitterlaw says:

    The irony is that Wolf was best known for…nothing. Now he has decided to assume control of the PA economy.

  723. Country Dick Montana says:

    Wolf is best known for lining the pockets of the government employee unions. I will bet those SOB’s, including the ones currently NOT working at the State Stores are still getting paychecks.

    If you are going to shut people down, shut them all down.

  724. jason says:

    that the man who CRASHED the stock market and the economy”

    And then the troll uses “delusional” in the same post.

  725. Tina says:

    Approvals number up and let’s take them away like a goof Commie.

    Mediaite
    @Mediaite
    · 10h
    Maddow: We Should Stop Airing Trump Coronavirus Pressers If He Keeps Sharing Misinformation That Could Cost Lives http://mediaite.com/a/qmljv

  726. jason says:

    Well, everybody else doesn’t have a job either and their stock portfolios are bad too.” Let’s vote for Trump!”

    Or they can say they will vote for the guy who promises tax increases on those portfolios and vows to shut down fracking and offshore drilling, coal mining, and large portions of the trucking automobile and airline industries, among others.

  727. jason says:

    Maddow: We Should Stop Airing Trump Coronavirus Pressers If He Keeps Sharing Misinformation That Could Cost Lives”

    Pravda at its best.

  728. Tina says:

    It’s probably better if joe stays hidden.

  729. jason says:

    People in NM will be flocking to vote for Biden.

    “New Mexico’s Legislative Finance Committee estimated such a move would cost the state $3.5 billion in revenue, and $327 million from local governments.

    Behrens said a national ban could have even broader effects on the country and national security.

    “Leaders in Santa Fe are always quick to spend revenue from the energy industry and now they need to stand up and condemn Biden’s plan to destroy it,” Behrens said.

    “New Mexico’s energy workers delivered a record budget surplus and sadly there are already signs that leaders in Santa Fe have squandered it. Now, former Vice President Biden’s commitment to wreak havoc on our economy would make a fragile situation much worse.”

    The Governor, a Dem, is already crapping her pants.

    “The governor would expect a Democratic White House to work with the different states and give them the ability to figure out how to best deliver on our collective transition to renewable energy sources and support our investments and different needs, as any competent and professional federal administration would,” read a statement from the governor’s office.”

  730. jason says:

    Actually when Wolf first issued the shutdown few really thought it was optional, most people complied, but then he stupidly goes on TV to say it was optional and it wasn’t being obeyed and it was now not optional.

    Then he delays the not optional until Monday because he cannot enforce it, although by Monday he won’t be able to enforce it any better than today.

    Then he is forced to reopen the rest stops and plazas because it was disrupting the trucking industry that is needed to resupply the grocery stores and hospitals, which never should have been closed in the first place.

    Wolf’s greatest asset is that he manages to hardly ever be seen or heard from, nobody can think of anything he has actually done, sort of don’t rock the boat and if its not broken don’t fix it.

    So when he now goes before the cameras and announces that he is relevant, people are saying WTF?

  731. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Daily briefings from Dementia Joe are going to be a gigantic. He’ll rail against the Spanish Flu and say he’s the only man how can President Taft from getting a second term.

  732. Tina says:

    I am listening to the coronavirus pressers and any from my local governor.

    Ot listening to any bus media crapppola including Faux News.

  733. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Fingers arent working this morning…

    Daily briefings from Dementia Joe are going to be a gigantic disaster. He’ll rail against the Spanish Flu and say he’s the only man who can stop President Taft from getting a second term.

  734. Wes says:

    The trolldom is strong with these ones.

    Democrats must be desperate since they’ve already dispatched their myrmidons to play partisan politics with a national health crisis.

  735. Wes says:

    I know.

    In the midst of all this, House Democrats should impeach Trump again over coronavirus. Nothing will say solidarity and a serious attempt to prevent an increase in the pandemic and alleviate the deleterious effects of it like another impeachment trial.

  736. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..

    nald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
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  737. Phil says:

    Wes, Tucker went hard after Burr again last night. Could you take us through the legal process that the Democratic governor would have to go through in appointing someone to replace Burr should he have to step down? Seems I read something about how he chooses from a list of names submitted by the NC Republican Party?

  738. Wes says:

    I don’t think Burr will or should step down, Phil, but that’s essentially it. Under NC law, the Governor must appoint a replacement of the same party as the departing Senator. The NCGOP would submit some names to Cooper, who would then make the appointment.

    There’s no free pickup for the opposition if Burr steps down, though I doubt it will come to that.

  739. Phil says:

    I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion on what Burr should do, Wes. Not a big Burr fan but that is more because of the way he turned the Senate Intel Committee over to Warner regarding the phony Russia stuff for the last three years. Absolutely unforgiveable IMO.

  740. jason says:

    I don’t think Burr should step down either. I doubt anyone can prove he got

    But frankly, I don’t know why Dems would be too excited at the prospect.

    Running for an open seat is easier than against an incumbent. Obviously Cooper would try to pick the weakest R he could, but this could backfire.

  741. jason says:

    Whoops

    I doubt anyone can prove any information he had was “insider”, sounds like a crock of crap.

  742. jason says:

    Germany’s mortality rate is remarkably low, about 0.3%..

    Wonder why.

  743. Tina says:

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  744. Bitterlaw says:

    Germans are cold and unfun. They have been socially distant for years.

  745. Pitchaboy says:

    I have asked my doctor friends in Germany. Will pass it on when I get a reply

  746. Tina says:

    I don’t know how the msm could be even against thiis, especially in light of the other outcome being dearth. Are they trying to be on a death panel?

    Trump on the malaria drug:

    “Look, it may work and it may not work.”

    “I’m not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try.”

  747. Wes says:

    Well, Phil, that’s why the Ethics Committee is investigating. Thus far, it doesn’t appear Burr did anything wrong.

    The Democrats would love to get his scalp though ahead of the upcoming elections and are hoping Tillis would suffer from guilt by association.

  748. jason says:

    Right, that would explain a lower contagion rate in Germany, but not the lower mortality rate.

  749. jason says:

    At this point, “weeks” sounds better than “months”

    “WASHINGTON — Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Friday that Americans will most likely have to continue staying at home and practicing social distancing for “at least several weeks” amid the coronavirus outbreak.

    “If you look at the trajectory of the curves of outbreaks and other areas, at least going to be several weeks,” Fauci said in an interview with Savannah Guthrie on the “TODAY” show.

    “I cannot see that all of a sudden, next week or two weeks from now it’s going to be over. I don’t think there’s a chance of that. I think it’s going to be several weeks.”

  750. jason says:

    “I’m not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try.”

    CNN called that “spreading false hope” or something like that.

  751. Wes says:

    Maybe more Germans have a natural immunity to the virus, Jason. Some people are just born with genetics enabling immunity or greater resistance to cer

  752. Wes says:

    …tain diseases.

  753. Tina says:

    Wtf is the media trying to prove here? You would not give this dose to a patient. Also, 8 gallons of water consumed can kill
    somebody.

    MSN
    @MSN
    · 21h
    Drug touted by Trump to possibly treat virus can kill in just 2 grams http://msn.com/en-us/health/healthtrending/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-in-just-two-grams/ar-BB11rIHa?ocid=ob-tw-enus-677

  754. jason says:

    Could be wes.

    I just looked up Austria and the mortality rate is also way lower only 8 deaths in 2800 cases.

    You might have something there.

    Who has Germanic blood here, you might be lucky?

  755. jason says:

    Wtf is the media trying to prove here? You would not give this dose to a patient. Also, 8 gallons of water consumed can kill
    somebody.”

    Asinine. Ibuprofen can kill too. Tylenol can shut down your liver.

    These people are beyond crazed.

  756. Country Dick Montana says:

    It looks like the usual does is 300 mg a day. So I suppose if you take almost 7 times that, then yeah, it may kill you.

  757. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.google.com/covid19/

    Is this the website that the MSM said Google was not creating in concert with the government?

  758. Country Dick Montana says:

    “This is a challenging time for our oil and natural gas industry and for our country as we battle low commodity prices and a spreading virus. But can you imagine being quarantined at home without heat or electricity? Or running a hospital without reliable power? This is a good time to thank energy workers who are bravely working to keep the lights and power on while everyone else stays home to help flatten the curve. Thank you!” – Dan Haley, President and CEO of Colorado Oil and Gas Association

    And idiots want it shut down.

  759. Phil says:

    Listening to Governor Cuomo’s daily news conference right now. This guy gets it. Extremely knowledgeable and focused without a drop of politics. I’m very impressed. Contrast this with DeBlasio. Night and day.

  760. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_fed9538e-6b70-11ea-827f-db045f504c38.html

    16 deaths in Louisiana and 6 of them at one nursing home.

  761. mRviTO says:

    Chinese state media has a more accurate depiction of events than our media when it comes to Trump.

    Global Times
    @globaltimesnews
    “I say that you are a terrible reporter,” #Trump lashes out at NBC reporter @PeterAlexander when asked for his message to the scared Americans. The reporter suggested Trump may be giving Americans a false sense of hope and misrepresenting preparedness

  762. VictrC says:

    Just how corrupt is the media. Well, MSN labels the article that Trump recommended drug can kill. So of course, Liberals will only read the headline and not the article, which after the first paragraph when it attacks Trump (and Musk as well) for recommending it, says the following:

    Chloroquine was among the first group of therapies Chinese scientists identified as being effective in curbing the new coronavirus. Clinical trials on about 130 patients demonstrated the drug’s ability to reduce the severity of the illness and speed up virus clearance, according to China’s Ministry of Sciences and Technology.

    Chroloquine phosphate was officially recommended on Feb. 19 in the Covid-19 treatment guidelines published by China’s National Health Commission, along with a few other drugs such as AbbVie Inc.’s Kaletra and flu drug arbidol as antiviral treatments for patients. The commission recommended no more than a 10-day course of chloroquine for adult patients at 500mg — half a gram — twice a day.

    SERIOUSLY!!! It’s actually working in China

    And they didn’t combine it with the Z pack, which is supposed to potentially increase the healing effect.

    Why. Seriously, Why are liberals giving disinformation.

  763. Tina says:

    So, cuomo wants to kill people too.

    ted

    Kayleigh McEnany
    @kayleighmcenany
    ·
    8m
    Governor Cuomo touts the potential of HydroxyChloroquine in treating the Chinese Virus — the same drug
    @realDonaldTrump
    has hailed and fast-tracked!

    This could save lives!

  764. Tina says:

    Dave Wasserman
    @Redistrict
    A reality Dems have to grapple with: more voters are starting to accept Trump’s version of the story.

    Voters Are Warming to Trump’s Handling of Coronavirus – Morning Consult
    Perceptions of President Donald Trump’s handling of the U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic jumped this week as his administration, Congress and state and local officials took more dramatic…
    morningconsult.com

  765. Pitchaboy says:

    Notwithstanding the skepticism of Dr. Fauci and the malpractice of MSM, hydroxychloroquin and Azithromycin are being stockpiled by people all over. It is being used in NYC and in several countries. The rate of infections in countries where malaria is endemic, is low. There is talk about guys like me dealing with patients prophylactic doses of the drug once weekly, like I give my kids when they visit their family in India.
    Ten physicians in my hospital including myself have been exposed and our test results are pending. If positive, we will go in the drug cocktail.

    As an aside, mortality in NYC running around 0.6 percent

  766. VictrC says:

    Thanks for the info Pitch, and thank you so much for fighting this battle on the frontline.

  767. jason says:

    Will make a good campaign ad in MI

    “Democratic Michigan Sen. Gary Peters on Friday praised the Chinese government as the deadly disease which started in China continues to spread throughout the world.

    Peters went on Morning Joe to discuss the crisis and was asked about how the U.S. avoids a recession, to which he began to praise the Chinese government, especially naming the Hubei province, saying they handled the spread of the virus very well and that the United States needs to follow in China’s footsteps.”

  768. jason says:

    Notwithstanding the skepticism of Dr. Fauci and the malpractice of MSM,”

    In fairness to Fauci I would describe his position as cautious, not skeptical.

  769. jason says:

    Question:

    Will the MSM be against drugs that work because that would be good for Trump?

    Nothing would surprise me anymore.

  770. Robbie says:

    (From January 24, 2020)

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

    – Now I understand why Jason fraud thinks Dear Leader Don is doing such a splendid job.

  771. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Robbie says:
    March 21, 2020 at 12:59 pm
    (From January 24, 2020)

    – Now I understand why Jason fraud thinks Dear Leader Don is doing such a splendid job.

    ———————————-
    As do multiple polls posted here yesterday – including ABC.

  772. Tina says:

    They seemed happy when cuomo announced support for the same malaria drug.

    If fauci cannot articulate himself, they need to put dr. Brix in charge. She has the better tee fee voice.

  773. Tina says:

    Ny doing more tests now than other countries.

  774. Tina says:

    And let’s have hung a Chinese person day. To show we are nit racist for closing travel and border.

    Toronto Star
    @TorontoStar
    · 16h
    COVID-19 deaths may increase day by day but that’s not where the terror lies. The true terror is mass death and that could become reality if we don’t tackle climate change, Heather Mallick writes. http://torstar.co/apR350yRqD7

  775. Tina says:

    Hug a Chinese person day*

  776. Phil says:

    I saw that, Tina. The testing is ramped up very fast.

  777. Phil says:

    Yes, climate change is the real problem.

    I’m sure that’s what should be on everyone’s mind.

  778. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 12:54 pm
    Question:
    Will the MSM be against drugs that work because that would be good for Trump?
    Nothing would surprise me anymore.

    – There is nothing but, at best, anecdotal evidence that a malaria drug and a Z-pack works. The “study” pushed online this week was of just SIX people. Just SIX took both drugs in France. There were no controls on the study and the person who pushed the study looks more and more like a huckster. Stanford has no idea who he is and he dropped that from his Twitter bio.

    Maybe a malaria drug and a Z-pack will help, but it was wildly irresponsible for the president of the United States to push unverified information as something appearing to be fact. Providing what be nothing more than false hope too scared people in a time of crisis is simply terrible.

    The last thing the US needs at this time is a president who acts like Jude Law’s character in “Contagion” pushing forsythia.

  779. Tina says:

    Coronavirus presser is now in.

  780. Robbie says:

    Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    Robbie says:
    March 21, 2020 at 12:59 pm
    (From January 24, 2020)
    – Now I understand why Jason fraud thinks Dear Leader Don is doing such a splendid job.
    ———————————-
    As do multiple polls posted here yesterday – including ABC.

    – Oh. So the polls are real now? Good to know. I guess they’ll be fake again when Trump’s approval sags again.

  781. Phil says:

    Don’t worry, Robbie. We have Joe beginning his shadow briefings to the nation on Monday. We’ll be getting some real facts and leadership soon.

  782. Country Dick Montana says:

    Dr. Anthony Fauci is both a scientist and a bureaucrat, both by nature cautious. One definition that I saw for the term “bureaucrat” is one who is “rigidly devoted to administrative procedure.” This explains his caution. It also explains the reason that the FDA cannot approve drugs that obviously have been tested and shown to work in other countries. The use of malaria drugs to combat covid 19 have been shown to work in small scale clinical trials in both China and France and paper peer reviewed and published.

    This is a war and sometimes bold action must be taken. Bold action is not the purview of a bureaucracy. If the malaria drugs under normal doses “does no harm” then there would appear to be little risk in providing them if they have shown to be beneficial.

    That is my main complaint with Dr. Fauci.

  783. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Robbie says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    – Oh. So the polls are real now? Good to know. I guess they’ll be fake again when Trump’s approval sags again.
    ——————————————-

    And when did I say Trump’s approval polls are “fake”, Robbie?

  784. Tina says:

    Dementia joe will save us all.

    But don’t ask him about closing the borders.

    That was RACIST.

  785. Tina says:

    I am sure he will be seated if he does a 2 hour conference.

    He will have his helpers there too.

    You know they can cut away when there are blank stares and Jill can get him off “stage.”

  786. jason says:

    There is nothing but, at best, anecdotal evidence that a malaria drug and a Z-pack works.”

    So I have my answer.

    If there is a drug that could be helpful, Amoral Scumbag will be against it because it might be good for Trump.

  787. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm
    I saw that, Tina. The testing is ramped up very fast.

    – On March 2, 2020, Pence said there would close to one million tests available for use by the end of that week. There weren’t. On March 13 at the CDC in Atlanta, Trump said, “Anyone who wants a test can get a test”. Today, doctors are being advised not to test in certain areas because they are running out of tests.

    South Korea had there first confirmed coronavirus case on January 20, the same day as in the US. They quickly developed a test that returned results in 4 hours, opened mobile testing centers across their country, texted results within 24 hours, and even provided GPS updates about clusters of cases based on location.

    Here in the US, eight weeks after our first confirmed case, we still can’t fully compete with the way South Korea is handling their outbreak. Somehow, the best and most powerful nation in the world, has been bested by a country 1/6 its size.

  788. jason says:

    Oh. So the polls are real now? Good to know. I guess they’ll be fake again when Trump’s approval sags again.”

    LOL

    Amoral Scumbag sounds worried.

  789. jason says:

    Trump and Fauci were both clear that “testing everybody” is not the right strategy.

    Amoral Scumbag is an amoral scumbag liar.

  790. Country Dick Montana says:

    The “study” pushed online this week was of just SIX people.

    It was actually 36 patients.

    6 were asymptomatic
    22 had upper respiratory tract infections
    8 had lower respiratory tract infections

    20 of the 36 cases showed significant reduction of viral carriage.

    A small study, but at least get the facts correct.

  791. Phil says:

    If only Joe had been in charge, Robbie.

    There is hope, however. Maybe Robbie’s pal, Max Boot’s suggestion that Trump and Pence will simultaneously resign and allow Nancy Pelosi to assume the presidency will be heeded.

    We can always hope, eh Robbie?

  792. jason says:

    Here in the US, eight weeks after our first confirmed case, we still can’t fully compete with the way South Korea is handling their outbreak. Somehow, the best and most powerful nation in the world, has been bested by a country 1/6 its size.”

    Zzzzzzz….

    What a stupid turd!

    Obviously, the smaller the population the fewer tests are needed.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    Actually over 200k people have been tested already just by the CDC, not including hospital and private lab testing.

  793. Tina says:

    There is also a 2005 test on primates

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-development-2005-us-nih-study-found-chloroquine-was-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-infection-so-why-is-dr-fauci-questioning-its-use-now/

    Bottom line, trump says it my or may not work, but let’s try it.

    Media and the drats say no

  794. jason says:

    Testing should be done on people on a priority and need basis.

    Amoral Scumbag is regurgitating MNSNC’s theory that everyone should be tested but that is not what is recommended.

  795. Country Dick Montana says:

    “we still can’t fully compete with the way South Korea is handling their outbreak.”

    South Korea – 172 cases/million in population
    US – 67 cases/million in population

    If we are 6 times their size with the same date of first case then we should have 612 deaths, not 282. I think we are doing ok, at least at this point.

  796. jason says:

    Media and the drats say no”

    Amoral Scumbag’s TDS is so serious he is actually hoping that drugs that will help people don’t work.

    What a sick bastard.

  797. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:19 pm
    There is nothing but, at best, anecdotal evidence that a malaria drug and a Z-pack works.”
    So I have my answer.
    If there is a drug that could be helpful, Amoral Scumbag will be against it because it might be good for Trump.

    – I know you’re very stupid so I will try and make this is simple as possible.

    I sincerely hope a therapeutic treatment is found quickly. If one isn’t, I and thousands of other airline pilots are going to lose our jobs. It may make you happy that I’ll likely lose my job in the next month or so, but you’re a miserable keyboard warrior so I expect that.

    If a malaria drug and a Z-pack works, wonderful. But what if it doesn’t after Trump hyped it so much based on a study of SIX, yes SIX, patients in France? Is it right for the president, any president, to provide unverified, anecdotal evidence as something approaching a game changer? Is it right for a president, any president, to provide potentially false hope in a time of panic based on his own “hunch”? Of course, not.

    I salute the FDA for exploring the benefits of drugs as possible treatments. That said, it is completely wrong suggest something as fact when it’s not.

  798. Tina says:

    The jebots would be all for trying the drug if the obumbler or her Thighness requested it.

    We get it,

  799. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag hardest hit.

    Fauci on TV right now:

    NOT EVERY AMERICAN NEED TO BE TESTED.

    Testing people who don’t need to be tested consumes resources needed for those who do.

  800. Phil says:

    As far as any mention of the malaria drug, perhaps we should hold on until we see what Joe suggests on Monday.

  801. jason says:

    That said, it is completely wrong suggest something as fact when it’s not.”

    You are a pathological liar.

    Nobody said it was fact. What was said was that the results seem promising.

    Trump was clear that it may or not work.

    GFY

  802. jason says:

    f one isn’t, I and thousands of other airline pilots are going to lose our jobs.”

    I can’t thing of anybody more deserving of losing their jobs than amoral scum like you.

    You have been hoping and rooting for the economy to crash for months because you thought it would be “bad for Trump”.

    Karma is a b-tch!

  803. jason says:

    The jebots would be all for trying the drug if the obumbler or her Thighness requested it.”

    Of course.

    If it was Obama, Amoral Scumbag would be here saying it was the greatest drug since penicillin.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  804. Pitchaboy says:

    Understand this about testing:
    1. At the height of this pandemic in South Korea, they were doing 20k tests daily. We are doing 50k now
    2. Here, in people with symptoms, the rate of positive tests is 10%. Meaning 90% with fever, cough do not have this disease but are using up PPE just to get test done
    3. If you tested asymptomatic people, positive will be 1% or less. The nasal swab relies on viral shedding and therefore is mainly seen in symptomatic people
    4. To assess the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic infections, you need antibody testing which is not a priority right now.
    5. The role of testing is quick isolation and quarantine.

  805. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:26 pm
    If only Joe had been in charge, Robbie.
    There is hope, however. Maybe Robbie’s pal, Max Boot’s suggestion that Trump and Pence will simultaneously resign and allow Nancy Pelosi to assume the presidency will be heeded.
    We can always hope, eh Robbie?

    – If Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, GWB, or Obama were president, we’d be in a much better position now than we currently are because they wouldn’t have ignored the advice of their professional advisors and, instead, chosen to believe the power of positive thinking would make everything ok and keep the stock market high so they could campaign on that.

    I also think it’s cute Boomer Phil likes to impose the views of people with whom he disagrees on me. Keeping score, I’m apparently an avid View watcher who eagerly reads Max Boot and several others. Honestly, I wish I was fully aware of whom Max Boot is, but I don’t really care.

  806. Phil says:

    Cuoma seems to be pretty pleased with the progress of testing in his sate. Of course Cuomo is just another one of Trump’s “tin toothed rubes” (as Rick Wilson calls them) so take what the governor says with a grain of salt.

  807. jason says:

    It may make you happy that I’ll likely lose my job in the next month or so, but you’re a miserable keyboard warrior so I expect that.”

    So maybe next time you won’t root against the well being of your country for immediate political gain.

    It could be a great lesson.

  808. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:28 pm
    Testing should be done on people on a priority and need basis.
    Amoral Scumbag is regurgitating MNSNC’s theory that everyone should be tested but that is not what is recommended.

    – Look at how testy Jason fraud gets when I simply quote Trump.

    Again, Trump on March 13 at the CDC in Atlanta, “Anyone who wants a test can get a test”.

  809. jason says:

    Trump is on TV now talking about how we can deal with the crisis.

    Amoral Scumbag is here regurgitating MSNBC talking points on how to score cheap political hits on him.

    I think a lot of people are noticing that it is Trump that is on their side, not the MSM.

  810. Phil says:

    Robbie, you are as close to a vile Rick Wilson As they come. He describes Trump supporters as Rubes. I think your term has been “Trump ball lickers”

    You are two peas in a pod. Totally deranged with TDS.

  811. Robbie says:

    Country Dick Montana says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:25 pm
    The “study” pushed online this week was of just SIX people.
    It was actually 36 patients.
    6 were asymptomatic
    22 had upper respiratory tract infections
    8 had lower respiratory tract infections
    20 of the 36 cases showed significant reduction of viral carriage.
    A small study, but at least get the facts correct.

    – Nice try. I wrote that SIX people, just SIX, were given both the malaria drug and a Z-pack. And off of that, Trump is using his Twitter megaphone to irresponsibly spread hope that, at least for the moment, is completely unwarranted.

  812. jason says:

    Again, Trump on March 13 at the CDC in Atlanta, “Anyone who wants a test can get a test”.

    So he did not say everyone should be tested, he was obviously referring to people who needed testing.

    That is being done.

    What is NOT being done is testing everyone because that is not recommended.

    Stop lying.

  813. Country Dick Montana says:

    The study is out there it is easy to find. 36 patients given anti malaria. I’m just old oil patch guy. You really think that I am smart enough to make up those numbers.

  814. Robbie says:

    Country Dick Montana says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:29 pm
    “we still can’t fully compete with the way South Korea is handling their outbreak.”
    South Korea – 172 cases/million in population
    US – 67 cases/million in population
    If we are 6 times their size with the same date of first case then we should have 612 deaths, not 282. I think we are doing ok, at least at this point.

    – We’re six or more weeks behind South Korea even though we both had their first confirmed case on the same day. South Korea took it seriously. Trump tried to wish it away with positive thinking and lavishing praise on the lying Chinese for their handling of the outbreak that has the world economy on the brink of a depression.

  815. Country Dick Montana says:

    836 – Pitch, Thanks for the facts and reports on the ground.

  816. jason says:

    We have Amoral Scumbag’s opinion..

    And we have Pitch, a real doctor:

    “Notwithstanding the skepticism of Dr. Fauci and the malpractice of MSM, hydroxychloroquin and Azithromycin are being stockpiled by people all over. It is being used in NYC and in several countries. The rate of infections in countries where malaria is endemic, is low. There is talk about guys like me dealing with patients prophylactic doses of the drug once weekly, like I give my kids when they visit their family in India.
    Ten physicians in my hospital including myself have been exposed and our test results are pending. If positive, we will go in the drug cocktail.”

  817. Country Dick Montana says:

    846 – I will wait for the numbers to come out.

  818. Tina says:

    Yup,

    TRUMP LAVISHED SO MUCH PRAISE 9N THE CHINESE COMMIES THAT HE WAS CALLED A RACIST.

  819. jason says:

    rump tried to wish it away with positive thinking”

    BS.

    He took the most aggressive stance by banning flights from ground zero for the virus.

    People like you called him a racist.

    If not for that, we probably would have a lot more cases.

    He sought to calm the markets, yes, but at the same time he was implementing all the right steps to deal with it.

  820. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:20 pm
    Oh. So the polls are real now? Good to know. I guess they’ll be fake again when Trump’s approval sags again.”
    LOL
    Amoral Scumbag sounds worried.

    – Not in the slightest. Trump’s almost certainly going to lose in November and I’m looking forward to it. It will give the Republican Party a chance to be the Republican Party again rather than a populist cult.

  821. jason says:

    The study is out there it is easy to find. 36 patients given anti malaria. I’m just old oil patch guy. You really think that I am smart enough to make up those numbers.”

    Amoral Scumbag thinks the ends justify the means.

    If its bad for Trump, facts are not needed.

  822. Pitchaboy says:

    Robbie is correct that only 6 patients received the combo. A small number to draw conclusions. But the results are astounding. If you shorten Viremia by 75% the impact on hospitalizations, morbidity and mortality is profound. And it takes out the fear factor. This is why it is already being used. And in 6 to 8 weeks we will have our own data on its efficacy or otherwise. In emergent times, doctors use empiric data to help their patients

  823. jason says:

    It will give the Republican Party a chance to be the Republican Party again rather than a populist cult.”

    LOL

    You really think the 5% of “we are all Dems now” pro-socialism Never Trumpers represent the Republican party?

    Really?

    Nah, nobody is that delusional.

  824. Phil says:

    We have Joe second guessing and nitpicking from the cheap seats beginning on Monday. Take the week off, Robbie, Joe’s got this going forward.

  825. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:37 pm
    f one isn’t, I and thousands of other airline pilots are going to lose our jobs.”
    I can’t thing of anybody more deserving of losing their jobs than amoral scum like you.
    You have been hoping and rooting for the economy to crash for months because you thought it would be “bad for Trump”.
    Karma is a b-tch!

    – Thank you living down to my worst expectation of you.

  826. Tina says:

    Joe will have a lot of Russian hoaxers and hacks do his pressers for him for obvious reasons.

  827. Country Dick Montana says:

    854-I stand corrected on the combo. There are certainly other trials with more patients out there using different drugs and combinations.

  828. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:42 pm
    It may make you happy that I’ll likely lose my job in the next month or so, but you’re a miserable keyboard warrior so I expect that.”
    So maybe next time you won’t root against the well being of your country for immediate political gain.
    It could be a great lesson.

    – It shows what a cultish fool you are that you believe that opposition to Trump’s ability to lead is somehow rooting for the economy to fail. Of course, you believe Trump is the state and the state is Trump because you’ve become a cult member for him so I’m not surprised you believe the two are intertwined.

    Also, point to one post I’ve made in the nearly 16 years of posting comments here where I have rooted against the economy. Just one, you fraudulent piece of crap.

  829. Pitchaboy says:

    Yes there is quite a bit of other data. The drug worked with SARS-1. Countries where anti malarial drugs are used commonly have lower infections with this virus. As a health care guy and a human, I pray it works

  830. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #853- jason
    I just read yours and Wormtongue’s posts today and agree with you that Robbie would accept many Americans dying from the Wuhan Flu if the result in November was a Trump loss.
    Robbie is very,very emotionally sick!

  831. Victrc says:

    To wit I add:

    From MSN: “Chloroquine was among the first group of therapies Chinese scientists identified as being effective in curbing the new coronavirus. Clinical trials on about 130 patients demonstrated the drug’s ability to reduce the severity of the illness and speed up virus clearance, according to China’s Ministry of Sciences and Technology.

    Chroloquine phosphate was officially recommended on Feb. 19 in the Covid-19 treatment guidelines published by China’s National Health Commission, along with a few other drugs such as AbbVie Inc.’s Kaletra and flu drug arbidol as antiviral treatments for patients. The commission recommended no more than a 10-day course of chloroquine for adult patients at 500mg — half a gram — twice a day.”

  832. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:46 pm
    Robbie, you are as close to a vile Rick Wilson As they come. He describes Trump supporters as Rubes. I think your term has been “Trump ball lickers”
    You are two peas in a pod. Totally deranged with TDS.

    – And you are as close to a xenophobe when it comes to Mexicans and people with brown skin as anyone I’ve seen in this forum. See. I can throw stupid, unwarranted accusations around just as easily as you can.

    But let’s not miss what point Boomer Phil is making here. Strong disagreement with Trump, a lifelong Democrat who Phil believed was awful during the 2016 election, makes me vile.

  833. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:46 pm
    Robbie, you are as close to a vile Rick Wilson As they come. He describes Trump supporters as Rubes. I think your term has been “Trump ball lickers”
    You are two peas in a pod. Totally deranged with TDS.

    – One more thing. Cry more.

  834. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:53 pm
    rump tried to wish it away with positive thinking”
    BS.
    He took the most aggressive stance by banning flights from ground zero for the virus.
    People like you called him a racist.

    – Nice try. I never wrote that. The only day I commented in this forum in January and February was on January 1. But just keep lying, fraud.

  835. Victrc says:

    And for 16 years, all of which I and others have been here as well, have seen you root against America and it’s people every time there is a R in charge, or doing something good for the country.

    PO, messy, Pete Wilson, heck, even Bunu are transparent, you on the other hand are one of the most loathsome people I’ve ever come across in my life.

    To see you revel in the distress of Americans only shows the level of your despicable nature. I don’t care that you disagree on policy, I care that you’d rather see the country suffer than have Someone you disagree with be President.

  836. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:55 pm
    The study is out there it is easy to find. 36 patients given anti malaria. I’m just old oil patch guy. You really think that I am smart enough to make up those numbers.”
    Amoral Scumbag thinks the ends justify the means.
    If its bad for Trump, facts are not needed.

    – Your head must be filled with Jello because there’s no other way to explain your stupidity.

    In his tweet this morning, Dr. Trump promoted the combination of a malaria drug and a Z-pack based on an uncontrol French study as potential breakthrough.

    Could it be? Let’s hope so. But just SIX patients in this study where given the combo. It’s irresponsible to portray this a potential breakthrough. Giving people false hope is a terrible thing in a time of panic.

  837. jason says:

    “and I’m looking forward to it.”

    If Biden wins, it means a liberal SCOTUS.

    Liberal federal bench.

    Virtual end to 2nd amendment, if you allow gun manufacturers to be sued.

    End of energy independence.

    Trillions down the climate change rathole

    Higher taxes.

    Open borders.

    So much “to look forward to”

    Trump, of course, will still be a billionaire if he loses.

  838. jason says:

    To see you revel in the distress of Americans only shows the level of your despicable nature.”

    That is why he is Amoral Scumbag.

  839. Tina says:

    Presstitute today.

    You should have done more about China lying.

    Presstitue yesterday

    Your ban is racist and you are a xenophobic

  840. Country Dick Montana says:

    According to WAPO as of Friday evening 55 deaths are related to nursing homes. This is over 20% of the total. Why would we not be concentrating on isolating these places?

  841. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    We have Joe second guessing and nitpicking from the cheap seats beginning on Monday. Take the week off, Robbie, Joe’s got this going forward.

    – After Trump loses this November, he’s going to do nothing but nitpick Biden’s leadership from the cheap seats and I doubt you’ll have any problem with that.

  842. jason says:

    I just read yours and Wormtongue’s posts today and agree with you that Robbie would accept many Americans dying from the Wuhan Flu if the result in November was a Trump loss.
    Robbie is very,very emotionally sick!”

    If he loses his job the karma will be beautiful.

    Sometimes these things come back to bite you.

    But his man Biden will give him a handout, so there is that.

  843. Tina says:

    Good question.

    The next breakout will be with the homeless camps in sf, la, and elsewhere.

    They are already compromised,

    But these liberal governors have exempted them from shelter in place orders and refuse to,t@kemthem off the streets.

  844. Wes says:

    Barring a death, the Supreme Court is set right now, Jason. I agree I’d like to see fewer liberal Justices sit on it, but Biden can’t automatically wish a liberal Supreme Court into existence.

  845. jason says:

    “Why would we not be concentrating on isolating these places?”

    They are. Most of them you can’t even visit the patients anymore.

  846. Tina says:

    This presser is still ongoing,

    It is the best one to date.

  847. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:06 pm
    Yes there is quite a bit of other data. The drug worked with SARS-1. Countries where anti malarial drugs are used commonly have lower infections with this virus. As a health care guy and a human, I pray it works

    – The problem is we have no idea whether low infection rates in those countries is due to low levels of testing, higher temperatures and humidity, or a malaria drug.

    I hope it works, but I think it’s irresponsible for the president, any president, to make such bold claims.

  848. Scooterboy says:

    862. “Emotionally sick” , is grossly understating it.

  849. Tina says:

    Also, reports suggest that trump saved 10000s lives by putting in the China travel ban very early on.

    Dr.fauci, despite loving Hillary, has concurred with this ban.

    China Biden wants no bans,

  850. Country Dick Montana says:

    873 – I try very hard not to do personal attacks and for the most part just try to post data with some breakdown along news with respect to my energy roots.

    With that in mind, I am curious. Let’s assume Trump loses and they lose the House and Senate. Where would you like the new Republican Party to take us? What policies should they fight for? What should they do differently now and more importantly what should they do differently than the democratic majority that you wish to see in 2021?

  851. Robbie says:

    Sheeple,Jr. says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:07 pm
    #853- jason
    I just read yours and Wormtongue’s posts today and agree with you that Robbie would accept many Americans dying from the Wuhan Flu if the result in November was a Trump loss.
    Robbie is very,very emotionally sick!

    – Trump was going to lose long before the coronavirus popped up.

    But it really shows how morally bankrupt you are that you think I’d root for people to die because it might hasten Trump’s defeat.

    Unsurprisingly, you are every bit as awful as I thought you were.

  852. jason says:

    Barring a death, the Supreme Court is set right now, Jason. I agree I’d like to see fewer liberal Justices sit on it, but Biden can’t automatically wish a liberal Supreme Court into existence.”

    Not automatically, but for sure he will get to replace one or two of the liberals with younger people that will be there for decades, and maybe a conservative too, 4 years is a long time.

    Not to mention the federal bench, where we finally have reversed some of the liberal activist courts, but with Biden they will go right back to what they were under Obama.

  853. jason says:

    But it really shows how morally bankrupt you are that you think I’d root for people to die because it might hasten Trump’s defeat.”

    You are so morally bankrupt I bet that is how you think.

  854. Tina says:

    Ron Klain, a back of hacks, is leading coronavirus pressers for China Biden online.

    Klain has no medicinal expertise,

    Is a Russian hoaxer and a hack.

  855. Tina says:

    Fauci

    “The President is talking about hope for people, and it’s not an unreasonable thing.” Dr. Fauci on President Trump talking about the malaria drugs possibly working on the virus. Said that his views are not incompatible with the President’s, but he wants trials to prove they work.

  856. Victrc says:

    Let’s also give credit where credit is due.

    Dr. Fauci is clearly a Democrat, he is close friends with Hillary and loves here. Yet, the man who defeated her asks for his help and he complies. Not only complies, but puts partisanship aside and gives his full support to the political enemy of his friend for the good of the country.

    We could use a lot more of that. Thank you Dr. Fauci for putting America first

  857. Tina says:

    Now the presstitute s want to ban the pressers. They are losing control.

    Margaret Sullivan
    @Sulliview
    · 1h
    The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump’s dangerous, destructive coronavirus briefings. My column https://washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-must-stop-live-broadcasting-trumps-dangerous-destructive-coronavirus-briefings/2020/03/21/b8a2a440-6b7c-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html…
    Show this thread

  858. Tina says:

    Dr fauci

    Dr. Fauci points out that we are in an arena where we don’t have anything proven right now that will work so giving doctors the option with their patients to try the drugs isn’t out of line with how we dealt with things like the AIDS epidemic.

  859. Tina says:

    Remember the aids cocktsils

    Let’s give people some hope.

    Yet the drats don’t want to give them the. Drug.

    They want socialism and death. Panels.

  860. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:14 pm
    And for 16 years, all of which I and others have been here as well, have seen you root against America and it’s people every time there is a R in charge, or doing something good for the country.
    PO, messy, Pete Wilson, heck, even Bunu are transparent, you on the other hand are one of the most loathsome people I’ve ever come across in my life.
    To see you revel in the distress of Americans only shows the level of your despicable nature. I don’t care that you disagree on policy, I care that you’d rather see the country suffer than have Someone you disagree with be President.

    – Few in this forum have been as transparent as I have been. I’ve never shied away from a fight in this forum and I don’t think anyone has ever had to wonder on which side of the fence my views are.

    As for being called loathesome by you, I wear it as a badge of honor. I simply don’t respect you and I never will. You epitomize everything that it wrong with the Trump version of the Republican Party. You see loyalty to this conman man as the only thing that matters. I don’t, especially when the man is as unsuited to leadership as Trump has proven to be.

    Finally, to accuse me of reveling in the distress of American may be the stupidest thing I’ve read in this looney bin in a long time. Did you miss the part in 829 where I said I was likely to lose my job in the coming months, you stupid moron? Are you suggesting I’m reveling in my own distress? I would hate to be as dumb as you, apparently, are.

  861. Tina says:

    Ban the trump pressers

    Put more Russian hoaxers on the tee vee.

    Put Sean penn on the tv to tell us the latest drug he has taken and rehab.

  862. Tina says:

    Folks, a lot of coronavirus is being transmitted through fuel pump handles.

    Please use towels or gloves to protect your hands.

  863. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:21 pm
    To see you revel in the distress of Americans only shows the level of your despicable nature.”
    That is why he is Amoral Scumbag.

    – Jason fraud, who is dumber than a bucket of warm spit and has already written I deserve to lose my job for opposing Trump, now thinks I’m reveling in the distress Americans are experiencing even though I’m probably going to lose my job because of it.

    Seek help. Your twisted mind has led you to an awful place.

  864. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:20 pm
    “and I’m looking forward to it.”
    If Biden wins, it means a liberal SCOTUS.

    – How does this work, Jason fraud? Is there a Republican appointee who is waiting to resign once Biden wins? I guess math isn’t your strong suite. And what if Republicans hold the Senate? Is Biden just going to convince them to take his appointees?

  865. Robbie says:

    Scooterboy says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:27 pm
    862. “Emotionally sick” , is grossly understating it.

    – I agree. Trump is emotionally sick and the worst possible person the country could have as a president in a time of real crisis. Glad you finally see things my way. Heh.

  866. Tina says:

    We need to ban trumps coronavirus pressers

    And we need death panels. No experimental drugs for you,

    Drat hoaxers.

  867. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:32 pm
    But it really shows how morally bankrupt you are that you think I’d root for people to die because it might hasten Trump’s defeat.”
    You are so morally bankrupt I bet that is how you think.

    – And you’ve shown how morally bankrupt you are because you wrote I deserve to lose my job for opposing Trump. Unfortunately, that makes you the quintessential Trumper.

  868. VictrC says:

    Folks

    I am all for engaging people with different beliefs. I try to engage civilly with PO, Messy, other Liberals and frankly Liberal leaning Republicans who I disagree with on some issues. I don’t want to look in a mirror. Challenging your orthodoxy by listening to others is key to developing your belief system and testing it to see if its still valid, or you need to change your position. Anyone who thinks they should be locked and beholden to positions of the past when new information becomes available is wrong.

    It’s the reason why the gotcha questions at the press conference are examples of bad journalism. This is a fluid situation and changes by day. There is no way to know how many masks will be produced on an exact day. Same with ventilators, etc. But I digress.

    I suggest disengaging with Amoral Scumbag and skipping his posts though, as he is not looking for intellectual discourse, he’s looking to discourage and harm.

    I will follow that policy and I would hope others do as well. It will make this place better.

  869. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:36 pm
    Let’s also give credit where credit is due.
    Dr. Fauci is clearly a Democrat, he is close friends with Hillary and loves here.

    – You know this how? Fauci became the head of NIA in the 1980’s. He was hired by Reagan, you dolt. Do a modicum of research.

    This sounds almost as stupid as El Rusbo saying Rod Rosenstein’s sister was overhyping coronavirus as a way to bring down Trump.

  870. Phil says:

    Robbie brings up ‘’the Mexicans” again right on cue.

    Always what he resorts to when he’s getting his butt kicked.

  871. VictrC says:

    To wit, I submit the piece of evidence that matters most.

    The top 6 countries (besides China) with the highest death totals (Italy, Iran, Spain, France, UK and Holland) total approx. 330M people. The US has approximately 330M people.

    They have recorded 8,690 deaths.
    The US (whose land mass is significantly greater than those countries) has recorded 275 deaths.

    Judge for yourself.

  872. lisab says:

    Son and his girlfriend have moved in since the restaurant where they worked closed.
    —————

    bitterlaw is now archie bunker

  873. Bitterlaw says:

    Robbie – I don’t have insulting names for you. I have tried to be fair to you. In that light, what would you propose as the way to deal with this virus? Personally,I think that the state and local governments have overreacted with the business and school closures. However, I also realize that I could be wrong and my ideas could cost lives.

  874. Tina says:

    Fauci has love letters to Hillary.

    See Wikileaks.

    Dr. Brix is better. She should lead.

  875. Phil says:

    The Never Trumpers are going nuts. No problem. They will have Joe providing real leadership from the cheap seats starting Monday.

    America breathlessly awaits.

    LOL

  876. Robbie says:

    VictrC says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:52 pm
    I suggest disengaging with Amoral Scumbag and skipping his posts though, as he is not looking for intellectual discourse, he’s looking to discourage and harm.

    – Ha! Good luck.

    If anyone should ignore others, it should be I who ignores you since you think I’m reveling the distress of Americans even though I’m likely to lose my job and because I refuse to believe as you do that Trump’s doing, as Jason fraud put it, a splendid job of handling coronavirus.

    Unlike Jason fraud does to me, I won’t wish economic hardship on you or anyone simply because I oppose Trump’s terrible leadership.

  877. VictrC says:

    Bitter – I have tried to engage with him on several occasions in an intellectual and fair manner, each time it turns out the same.

    In 16 years, and anyone can go back and read my posts, I have had few bad words for anyone, I even keep my tongue with PO, but his behavior is abysmal and deserves to be called out for what it is. His vitriol could wait a few weeks until the country is past the critical point, but his hatred overshadows any semblance of good that may be buried somewhere within his being.

    I could not stay silent any longer.

  878. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:55 pm
    Robbie brings up ‘’the Mexicans” again right on cue.
    Always what he resorts to when he’s getting his butt kicked.

    -Has your ability to read dropped off recently, or did you simply skip over the next sentence in 864 where I wrote “See. I can throw stupid, unwarranted accusations around just as easily as you can.” You do understand what unwarranted means, right?

  879. Robbie says:

    VictrC says:
    March 21, 2020 at 3:03 pm
    Bitter – I have tried to engage with him on several occasions in an intellectual and fair manner, each time it turns out the same.

    – Get off your high horse.

  880. Tina says:

    Per the pressser, there are 10 million tests available.

    27 million by next week.

    A Russian hoaxer on cnn resorted to twitter instead of listening to today’s pressed. The hoaxers name Sounded like bagarrapapa. Tina

  881. Phil says:

    Here’s a great idea, One of your fellow Never Trumpers just tweeted an absolutely brilliant idea….a 9-11 type commission on the corona virus with subpoena power To find out who in the Trump Administration knew what and when.

    Maybe they can get Mueller to head this one up as well. Robbie and his deranged friends. LOL

  882. Tina says:

    Yes, a great idea. Lets get senile mulehead ina another commission.

    Last time he did this, he could not open his car door with his remote.

    His Russian bots case fell apart.

  883. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag has been wishing ill on America for 3 years because it was a way to damage Trump. Nothing was too low, too dishonest, too despicable as long as it contributed to that goal.

    Maybe there is some sort of divine justice and karma that he may lose his job.

    Btw:

    “Airline bailout should come with climate strings attached, Democrats and environmentalists say”

    Some more to “look forward to” for the “we are all Democrats now”.

  884. jason says:

    because I refuse to believe as you do that Trump’s doing, as Jason fraud put it, a splendid job of handling coronavirus.”

    Trump could find the cure for cancer and get peace in the Middle East and you would be here to attack him.

    GFY.

  885. jason says:

    .a 9-11 type commission on the corona virus with subpoena power To find out who in the Trump Administration knew what and when.”

    Something for Amoral Scumbag to cheer about!

    Remember when he thought Avenatti was the new God for Never Trumpers?

    Those were the day….

  886. Robbie says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:56 pm
    Robbie – I don’t have insulting names for you. I have tried to be fair to you. In that light, what would you propose as the way to deal with this virus? Personally,I think that the state and local governments have overreacted with the business and school closures. However, I also realize that I could be wrong and my ideas could cost lives.

    – First, you know I have vociferously opposed Trump from the day he announced he was running. (So did Jason fraud, by the way, until he won). I felt he was completely unqualified to serve as president and I felt he was completely unsuited temperamentally to serve as well. Everything that’s happened since has reinforced my view of him.

    As for this crisis, I don’t blame him for the virus making it to America. No one does. I do blame him for his response. The only thing he falls back on over and over again is he blocked travel (sort of) from China. Well, all airlines had already stopped flying there before he made that announcement, but that was a good move.

    Over and over, I hear that bought us time, but what did he do with that time? Did he ramp up the production of tests in February so we could track and isolate new cases and prevent community spread? Nope. Did he warn Americans about the prospects of coronavirus making it here and what it might mean? Nope. He said repeatedly it was contained and suggested it was a media hoax to bring him down.

    As for what he should do going forward, get out of the way. Stop talking. Stop providing inaccurate details about the number of tests, who can get them, and whether a drug is ready to use. Let the doctors and only the doctors speak.

    At this point, we can only hope stay at home orders orders work and the transmission of the virus burns out. The time for action was late February and not late March.

  887. jason says:

    And what if Republicans hold the Senate?”

    LOL

    This is the same lying scum who wants Rs to lose the Senate because that is bad for Trump.

  888. Tima says:

    Trumps euro travel ban is timely.

    Cases are rocketing in Germany, Spain, etc.

    Almost 800 dead from the virus in Italy over night,

    Does China Biden still feel that this is racist?

  889. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 3:10 pm
    Here’s a great idea, One of your fellow Never Trumpers just tweeted an absolutely brilliant idea….a 9-11 type commission on the corona virus with subpoena power To find out who in the Trump Administration knew what and when.
    Maybe they can get Mueller to head this one up as well. Robbie and his deranged friends. LOL

    – You best prepare yourself because there’s almost certainly going to be one if Biden wins, probably even if he doesn’t. If for no other reason, we need to know what went wrong early and how to prevent it from happening again. You can’t shut down a 20 trillion dollar economy and not expect that it won’t produce lots of after action reports.

  890. jason says:

    He said repeatedly it was contained and suggested it was a media hoax to bring him down.”

    He never said it was contained.

    But nice moving of the goalposts. Yesterday it was Trump called the virus a hoax, which you knew was a lie.

    Now “he suggested it was a media hoax”. That is closer, but what he really said was that after all the hoaxes used by the MSM to attack him, the virus was going to be used as their latest attempt.

    Huge difference. Saying the virus would be used as a political weapon against him is very different from saying the virus itself was a hoax.

    And of course, if you watch CNN and MSNBC and read Amoral Scumbag’s posts, that is exactly what is happening.

  891. Phil says:

    Republican Party

    96% rubes and Trump ball lickers.

    4% enlightened and intellectual superiors

    Max Boot
    George Conway
    Rick Wilson
    Bill Kristol
    Jennifer Rubin
    Nicole Wallace
    Anna Navarro
    Steve Schmidt
    Joe Scarborough

    What do they all have in common? An obsessive hate for Donald Trump from the morning when they wake up til they finally close their eyes each night. They also have in common their usefulness to the left as they are all frequent guests on CNN and MSNBC. They can’t stand that no matter what they say or do they can’t pry loose Republican support from Trump. It enrages them. Of course, given the way they talk down to out of the beltway Republicans it shouldn’t surprise them. They are just two eaten up with TDS they can’t see that.

  892. Robbie says:

    Phil, I’m waiting for you to acknowledge that I didn’t actually call you a xenophobe in 864. Of course, I’m assuming you understand what the phrase, “See. I can make unwarranted accusations just as easily as you can” actually means.

  893. jason says:

    he time for action was late February and not late March.”

    Late March.

    How dishonest is that?

    Today is the 21st and these measure have been in effect for weeks.

  894. jason says:

    Phil, I’m waiting for you to acknowledge that I didn’t actually call you a xenophobe in 864.”

    Phil, there are dozens of posts in the past where he implies you are a racist.

    Tell him to GFH.

  895. jason says:

    Republican Party

    96% rubes and Trump ball lickers.

    4% enlightened and intellectual superiors”

    Yeah, Phil, but the 4% “we are all Democrats” are the true Republican Party.

    If Trump loses, they will lead the party.

    You really have to be a moron to believe that.

    Oh wait..

  896. Tina says:

    Has George Conway learned that a doctor can be a d.o. Or an md?

    Or is he just interested in what new condiments he can put in his triple cheeseburger?

  897. Tina says:

    Fauci
    One won’t stop doctors from getting the malaria drug.

    Likens it to the early 1980s drug cocktail.

  898. Tina says:

    But trump wants to kill people.

    Dr. Milton Wolf
    @MiltonWolfMD
    ·
    2h
    Also, I don’t expect the brain trust at Bloomberg (
    @business
    ) to understand this, but 2 grams is a big dose. It’s 2,000 milligrams.

    Look at your own medicine bottles.

    You shouldn’t take 2,000 milligrams of even ibuprofen or aspirin.

  899. Tina says:

    This is a great company btw.

    LabCorp says it’s now able to perform more than 20,000 #COVID19 tests per day. The public health minded people of that company, and their CEO Adam H Schechter, should be applauded for what they accomplished in record time. https://labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

  900. lisab says:

    Right, that would explain a lower contagion rate in Germany, but not the lower mortality rate.
    ———————-

    all the weak germans died from 1939 to 1945

  901. Tina says:

    Did they ever find the whistleblower? The jebots love Chinese commies though,

    China silenced coronavirus whistleblowers, expelled journalists, destroyed samples, refused CDC help, and concealed counts of deaths and infections. It’s fact there was a massive coverup. China is responsible. The world must act to hold them accountable.

    — John Bolton (@AmbJohnBolton) March 21, 2020

  902. Phil says:

    Sorry, Robbie, tons of posts from for you months implying I’m a racist the vast majority where you didn’t qualify it. You made three or four snarky remarks just the other night and you weren’t a bit subtle…and of course, you were back at it today. Border security wasn’t even part of the discussion the other night or today. You just threw “the Mexican” stuff in out of the blue like you always do.

    I’m going to ignore it from now on going forward. Everyone sees what you are doing.

  903. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    March 21, 2020 at 3:26 pm
    He said repeatedly it was contained and suggested it was a media hoax to bring him down.”
    He never said it was contained.

    – You can always tell when Jason fraud knows the dear leader is in trouble because he starts to play words games and focuses on sematics in hopes of exonerating Trump. Did Trump use the word “contained”? No. He tweeted on February 24, “the coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.”

    Still, let’s look at how the word “contained” is defined. Dictionary.com defines “contained” as showing restraint or calmness; controlled; poised.

  904. Tina says:

    I heart the commies.

    Jebot

  905. Phil says:

    Kenny Rogers died today. I had no idea he had been sick. Apparently had been under hospice care.

  906. Tina says:

    The Reckoning ? Retweeted

    BlackJack
    @BlackJackBoGre1
    ·
    36m
    Replying to
    @jw_redacted_

    @sethjlevy
    and 2 others
    Trump’s decision to suspend travel from Europe looks like another great move. Aside from Italy, Spanish and French deaths ticking up quickly

  907. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 3:38 pm
    Sorry, Robbie, tons of posts from for you months implying I’m a racist the vast majority where you didn’t qualify it. You made three or four snarky remarks just the other night and you weren’t a bit subtle…and of course, you were back at it today. Border security wasn’t even part of the discussion the other night or today. You just threw “the Mexican” stuff in out of the blue like you always do.
    I’m going to ignore it from now on going forward. Everyone sees what you are doing.

    – And I see exactly what you’re doing and I’m NOT going to ignore it. You want to have both ways. You want to mock anyone who is willing to confront you views on Trump, but then you cry like a baby with a dirty diaper when someone mocks you.

    Turns out you’re just as thin skinned as Jason fraud is. It reminds me of August 2012 in this forum when Obama began to open up a lead in the polling and I said it was not a good sign for Romney. You and MD, and Jason fraud lambasted me and responded with nonsense of poll skewing. When someone vociferously goes against you, you respond with moronic crap about the View or MSNBC or some other rhetorical crutch you have.

  908. Tina says:

    Translated his polling numbers are up. We commies must halt it:

    ost headline and excerpt:

    The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump’s dangerous, destructive coronavirus briefings

    More and more each day, President Trump is using his daily briefings as a substitute for the campaign rallies that have been forced into extinction by the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    These White House sessions — ostensibly meant to give the public critical and truthful information about this frightening crisis — are in fact working against that end.

    Rather, they have become a daily stage for Trump to play his greatest hits to captive audience members. They come in search of life-or-death information, but here’s what they get from him instead:

  909. Tina says:

    Ban the coronavirus presser.

    Trump is just playing to his base.

    Jebot

  910. Robbie says:

    And by the way, Phil. You’re all in a huff about me and claim you know what I’m try to do, but not a peep from you when Jason fraud says the likelihood of me losing my job is karma for opposing Trump. That really just shows you view everything though a very narrow political prism and it’s sad.

  911. Phil says:

    Yeah, that’s it….just thin skinned.

    Someone over months and months repeatedly calls you a racist and if you say anything about it you are “thin skinned”

    Got it.

  912. Victrc says:

    Under control = 285+/- deaths vs. 8,500+/- deaths similar sample size

  913. mRviTO says:

    2 grams can kill?

    Damn. It takes 5 grams of caffeine and lord knows we don’t hand that out like candy.

  914. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a Chinese research article with consensus recommendations for the use of chloroquine.

    Zhonghua Jie He He Hu Xi Za Zhi. 2020 Feb 20;43(0):E019. doi: 10.3760/cma.j.issn.1001-0939.2020.0019. [Epub ahead of print]

    [Expert consensus on chloroquine phosphate for the treatment of novel coronavirus pneumonia].
    [Article in Chinese; Abstract available in Chinese from the publisher]

    multicenter collaboration group of Department of Science and Technology of Guangdong Province and Health Commission of Guangdong Province for chloroquine in the treatment of novel coronavirus pneumonia.
    Abstractin English, Chinese
    At the end of December 2019, a novel coronavirus (COVID-19) caused an outbreak in Wuhan, and has quickly spread to all provinces in China and 26 other countries around the world, leading to a serious situation for epidemic prevention. So far, there is still no specific medicine. Previous studies have shown that chloroquine phosphate (chloroquine) had a wide range of antiviral effects, including anti-coronavirus. Here we found that treating the patients diagnosed as novel coronavirus pneumonia with chloroquine might improve the success rate of treatment, shorten hospital stay and improve patient outcome. In order to guide and regulate the use of chloroquine in patients with novel coronavirus pneumonia, the multicenter collaboration group of Department of Science and Technology of Guangdong Province and Health Commission of Guangdong Province for chloroquine in the treatment of novel coronavirus pneumonia developed this expert consensus after extensive discussion. It recommended chloroquine phosphate tablet, 500mg twice per day for 10 days for patients diagnosed as mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia and without contraindications to chloroquine.

    There are numerous other articles published by researchers from many countries with recommendations on the use of chloroquine. It is being used by doctors to treat coronavirus throughout the world.

  915. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Robbie says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:20 pm
    Phil says:
    March 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm
    I saw that, Tina. The testing is ramped up very fast.

    – On March 2, 2020, Pence said there would close to one million tests available for use by the end of that week. There weren’t. On March 13 at the CDC in Atlanta, Trump said, “Anyone who wants a test can get a test”. Today, doctors are being advised not to test in certain areas because they are running out of tests.

    South Korea had there first confirmed coronavirus case on January 20, the same day as in the US. They quickly developed a test that returned results in 4 hours, opened mobile testing centers across their country, texted results within 24 hours, and even provided GPS updates about clusters of cases based on location.

    Here in the US, eight weeks after our first confirmed case, we still can’t fully compete with the way South Korea is handling their outbreak. Somehow, the best and most powerful nation in the world, has been bested by a country 1/6 its size.
    ——————————————
    Look- Trump deserves some share of blame for state of testing, but this is a silly comparison.

    1) South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, et al have decades of preparedness for this due to SARS, MERS They have a mature testing distribution network, sophisticated real time tracking of infections via cell phone data anyone can use and an entire SOP for testing, tracking and quarantine. This is why Asia vs US, Canada, Australia and Europe is getting crushed – so it isn’t just Trump. Multiple presidents can be blamed for not having the same here. Any president would have had the same hole to quickly fill

    2) You’re forgetting that South Korea’s infection rate per million is 2.5x the United States. Their deaths per million is double ours. So they may have turned the corner before us, but the relative loss is higher

    3) South Korea was much more fortunate than the US in that their outbreak was clustered in that single Church of Christ – 60% of all South Korea’s infected are members of that church. This made it far easier for them to track down because they could use church membership records

    4) “Obama would have done a better job” is demonstrably false. 20M were infected by Swine Flu, over 4000 died and 8 months went by before Obama declared a state of emergency.

  916. Tina says:

    JERRY DUNLEAVY
    @JerryDunleavy
    ·
    1h
    There is an active coordinated effort my some in the media to drive a wedge between Trump and Fauci – and Fauci is clearly not interested in playing along with their game.

  917. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    During the AIDS epidemic the phrase “I died of red tape” was often used, because the FDA was demanding that potential life preserving drugs go through a years long process of testing.

    One of the reason that the Compassionate Use protocol was adopted was to allow individual doctors on the frontline of a disease to make the decision on what drugs they can use. Currently chloroquine is the drug of choice for coronavirus, and physicans are reporting good results. Treating physicans are ahead of the curb on this one. Unlike with the AIDS epidemic, they can ignore the FDA red tape.

  918. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fauci has a right to push for more testing of a drug that is being used, and he is following standard practice in this regard; but until then treating physicans can use chloroquine as an off-label treatment through compassionate care.

    Am noticing on my college message board how overwhelming supportive people are of early use of chloroquine, and many are reporting good results from patients they know are using it.

    This is a losing issue for the likes of Rachel Maddow, who appear to be wiling to use any argument possible to attack Trump. I believe it is one reason Trump’s popularity has risen. The public is hearing too many good results about people they are familiar with using chloroquine. The troll bots need move on to other issues to attack Trump.

  919. Phil says:

    SD, what kind of shut down are you seeing in San Diego. Are there many people out and about?

  920. dblaikie says:

    When it comes to Wormtongue the best thing is to ignore him.

  921. dblaikie says:

    If you can remember a week ago in this whirlwind of a month it is was disgusting and evil, according to the media, to say you were hopeful about warm humid weather effecting the spread coronavirus. But now the tune is starting to change. For instance here is an article from MIT Technology Review, certainly a respected science source, that is positive in this regard. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615381/coronavirus-spread-could-slow-with-warmer-weather/

    Just look at the map and make your own conclusion. It seems that hotter and more humid outposts in the world are not as having a great breakout of disease.

  922. dblaikie says:

    Give it another week and I believe that the warm weather effect will become even more apparent.

  923. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is an example of the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine. Maybe Rachel Maddow needs to denounce this as not FDA approved.

    “One of the residents at the Oregon Veterans’ Home in Lebanon remains in critical condition, while another is in serious condition and 12 others are recovering nicely from COVID-19 infection, officials said Thursday.
    Dr. Rob Richardson, who is overseeing the veterans’ treatment, said the 12 are doing “quite well.”
    The other 137 residents of the home have all been tested and the results came back negative. Some 200 employees also have been tested; only one tested positive and they were sent to isolate at home.
    Richardson said the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine — brand name Plaquenil — has been a key in the patients’ treatment. The 12 who are recovering well all were administered Plaquenil early in their disease and responded well. The serious case also received the drug and it helped their condition. The critical case had progressed too far to receive the drug, Richardson said.”

    https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2020/03/19/oregon-coronavirus-updates-latest-covid-19-thursday/2873646001/

  924. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    953. “SD, what kind of shut down are you seeing in San Diego. Are there many people out and about?”

    There are people everywhere. Counted over 40 on a large grass area Balboa Park. People are exercising and walking theie dogs. But are also following social distancing recommendations. It is very mello and pleasant, as indicated before it is like a tourist town in off-season — or maybe France in August.

    There is a outstanding craft beer tasting room nearby. They can sell beer to go if you also buy food. So they have a counter at their door. People are adapting nicely, and trying to support local businesses by getting take out.

  925. BayernFan says:

    My sister is an oncologist in Kentucky. She said that a kid is being tested for Covid.

    Here is what else she texted me…

    “I may be drafted to help with all the patients we think there will be in a week or two.

    I hope they find drugs that work soon. They are already using all the drugs that Trump talked about in Washington, New York and other places. On study or off. That’s what we do when it’s life or death. Always.

    I was told that the drugs were already on shortage, though, because everyone was hoarding them, all over the world.
    I got that from our head pharmacist.
    I hope it’s better now, or will be when we really need them.”

  926. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    By the way, if you have not heard — do not take ibuprofen or Aleve during the epidemic:

    “It is believed that the Coronavirus uses the ACE2 which is expressed on the cell
    Membranes in the lungs to gain access into the cell. Hydroxychloroquine blocks ACE2 thus inhibiting the entry of the virus into the cell. On a side note NSAIDS (ibuprofen,Aleve, etc) is thought to increase ACE2. That is why it is believed that taking NSAIDS during a COVID-19 infection can make the illness worse.”

    Thankfully the companies that manufacture chloroquine are making large quantities available, despite Rachel Maddow’s tirades.

    “Bayer donated 3 million tablets. “In response, Novartis has pledged a global donation of up to 130 million hydroxychloroquine tablets, pending regulatory approvals for COVID-19. Mylan is ramping up production at its West Virginia Facility with enough supplies to make 50 million tablets. Teva is donating 16 million tablets to hospitals around the U.S.”

    “The pledges from Novartis, Mylan and Teva follow Bayer’s Thursday donation of 3 million tablets. Together, the commitments represent nearly 200 million chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine tablets for the global COVID-19 response.”

  927. mRviTO says:

    Hmmm…

    Bill Bishop
    @niubi
    · Mar 20
    Taiwan says WHO failed to act on coronavirus transmission warning https://ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68… via @financialtimes “Relationship with Beijing blamed for not sharing alert over human-to-human infection”

  928. jason says:

    “when Jason fraud says the likelihood of me losing my job is karma for opposing Trump. ”

    Zzzzzz….

    I said it was karma for wishing for an economic downturn because it was bad for Trump.

  929. jason says:

    Gun store is open. But hand sanitizer to get in and only 2 customers at a time and you can only buy 200 rounds per person. I assume that is per day. People were in their cars waiting for their turn, nobody lined up outside which would not be social distancing. Someone opens the door and yells next.

  930. Florida Guy says:

    I have spoken with GOP county chairmen across nation and they feel Trump is in a better position than 2 months ago (!). People are rallying behind their president, and when the campaign begins, Biden will flail at crucial times. It’s gonna be delightful to watch Trump win *after* a Black Swan-caused recession. It will show the TDS lefties lost again and do not understand this exceptional nation.

  931. jason says:

    On Wordometer the US is reporting 5400 new cases and 30 new deaths.

    If that is true, it is about the same amount of casesas yesterday, but it might be only partial.

    IF it is the same amount as yesterday it would actually be a decrease in the percentage in both cases and the mortality rate.

    I think it is too early for that to happen so its probably that not all new cases are shown.

  932. jason says:

    I think any prediction, that Trump will win or lose is impossible at the moment.

    The economy could doom Trump. Biden could self destruct.

    We just don’t know .

    My hope is that this is over by end of May latest and we can start rebuilding in time for there to be some clarity that things are improving by election time.

  933. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There are time’s when California acts sanely, like supporting the craft beer industry

    “My struggle has been with all of the draft beer,” he said. “We’re primarily a draft house, and most of my money is in draft inventory.”
    According to the ABC’s website, restaurants “selling beer, wine, and pre-mixed drinks or cocktails for consumption off the licensed premises may do so when sold in conjunction with meals prepared for pick-up or delivery. Any such alcoholic beverages must be packaged in a container with a secure lid or cap and in a manner designed to prevent consumption without removal of the lid or cap.”
    Raso said while he appreciates the relaxed restrictions, he’s still sitting on at least $10,000 in kegs he can’t sell.
    “Allow us to repackage the beer from the taps,” Raso said. “Allow us to drain the inventory that we already have tapped that’s going to spoil and allow us to create some sort of revenue.”

    Also, in San Diego they are encouraging people to go outside and walk, exercise, and bike.

  934. Scooterboy says:

    Robbie should worry less about the Corona Virus and more about the TDS virus that is eating him alive.

  935. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This are the daily death tolls up to March 20th.

    Week 1 – 1, 0, 5, 3, 2, 1, 3,
    Week 2 – 4, 3, 4, 4, 8, 3, 8,
    Week 3 – 8, 11, 18, 23, 41, 57, 49

    If the death toll was 30 today, it would be a reduction. If the trend continues it might be meaningful.

  936. dblaikie says:

    Jason I have been a fan of wordometer for the past 4 weeks. Why? Because it is reality in the face of media panic. In the past 3 weeks the mortality has gone down in US from 2.7 to now about 1.2 (not exact). And unless folks are dying of Coronavirus in secret the mortality rate will be far lower. It seems to me if the object is to avoid the Italian model than we are doing so in spades. When medicines come on line to mitigate this virus even more, then we will begin to emerge from this struggle.

    As far as Trump’s election prospects this virus was a game changer. If the American public believe he led the nation through this he will win in a landslide. If this virus goes out of control, nationwide, he will lose. So far I believe he has done well in him own Trumpian style.

  937. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    968. Definitely a mental health issue.

  938. Pitchaboy says:

    A death today is likely an infection 3 weeks ago. (On average). A little early to draw conclusions here or Germany, although they look good at the moment

  939. Country Dick Montana says:

    Worldometer begins a new day at 8:00 PM our time. (They say GMT, but that would be 5:00PM.) Washington State reports daily at 6 to 6:30 PM. https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus. So right now there are 34 deaths but another 11 needs to be added from Washington. So as of right now that is 43 for today with less than 2 hours of reporting to go. It was 49 yesterday.

  940. Country Dick Montana says:

    The 11 from Washington has been added so it is showing 45 so far. The thing that I am starting to watch is the rate of increase of KNOWN infections. The data began to change drastically round 3/16 with accelerated testing.

  941. jason says:

    This could be why there are so many cases.

    But this is not bad, they are getting infected people isolated.

    “CUOMO: “We are taking more tests in New York than any place else. We’re taking more tests per capita than China or South Korea. We’re also taking more tests than any state in the United States of America. That is actually a great accomplishment. Because if you remember back two weeks, which seems like a lifetime now, the whole question was coming up to scale on tests. How do we get the number of tests up and how do we get it up quickly? I spoke to the President and the Vice President, and I said decentralize the testing, let the states do it. I have 200 labs. I can mobilize quickly. Let us do the tests. They agreed. We’re doing more tests than any state. So, for example, we’ve done 45,000 tests. California has done 23,000. Washington has done 23,000. So you see how many more tests we are doing.”

  942. jason says:

    Robbie should worry less about the Corona Virus and more about the TDS virus that is eating him alive.”

    I think soon Amoral Scumbag will be here saying I am happy I lost my job, that is bad for Trump!

  943. Tina says:

    The trump corona pressers must be banned. They are dangerous.

    -jebot

  944. dblaikie says:

    Sorry Pitchaboy but I disagree. The time form exposure to symptoms is 2 to 14 days. The median time is five days. 97% of onset of symptoms are before the 11th day. So deaths today could be from as early as a week ago. To say that all the deaths are from 3 weeks ago is wrong. Most of the deaths are between one and two weeks after exposure.

  945. jason says:

    The problem with Wordometer is that it still shows serious cases at 64, that is the same number from days ago, obviously wrong.

  946. lisab says:

    Robbie should worry less about the Corona Virus and more about the TDS virus that is eating him alive
    ———————

    he has really lost it

    imagine him in real life

  947. dblaikie says:

    I agree Jason. They had serious cases at 10 day after day. I suspect the reason is hippa rules. In most cases they are not allowed without permission to talk about the particulars of a case.

  948. lisab says:

    The time form exposure to symptoms is 2 to 14 days.
    ———————–

    also the malaria drug takes 5 days to work

    and it has only recently been identified as a treatment

  949. Tina says:

    And rinos….

    Saagar Enjeti
    @esaagar
    ·
    10m
    The neoliberals who shipped jobs overseas & encouraged off shore supply chains mocked those who questioned them as illiterate luddites

    Now we can’t make enough masks to protect Dr’s in the middle of a pandemic. They should never be taken seriously again

  950. Tina says:

    Greta Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    Make no mistake, only an enemy would seek to withhold information coming from the president to those of us in the public during a time like this.

    The media are dangerous, unstable, and power hungry.

    They want to censor the president.

    This is corporate fascism.

  951. lisab says:

    does it worry anyone that supposedly robbie is entrusted with a plane?

  952. dblaikie says:

    This makes interesting reading. Make of it what you will. But at first glance this guy from Stanford sounds logical.https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

  953. jason says:

    does it worry anyone that supposedly robbie is entrusted with a plane?”

    Scary. Emotionally unstable. Blinded by hate.

  954. jason says:

    I posted that yesterday #523 but it is a good read.

  955. jason says:

    The neoliberals who shipped jobs overseas & encouraged off shore supply chains mocked those who questioned them as illiterate luddites”

    Zzzzzzz… isolationist protectionist drivel.

    Protectionists are illiterate luddites.

    The shortage of masks has nothing to do with where they are made, it had to do with too much demand for the supply.

  956. jason says:

    Do we really want to make masks in the US at 3 times the cost when we could be producing something that is much more technological and actually competitive on the world market?

  957. jason says:

    Making masks overseas is not “exporting jobs”.

    That is asinine.

  958. mRviTO says:

    Beyond parody now.

    ………………………….

    CNN
    @CNN
    Does Russia have coronavirus under control? According to information released by Russian officials, Putin’s strategy seems to have worked.

  959. Pitchaboy says:

    That is why I said 3 weeks on an average. Understand the average stay in the hospital before death is 10 to 14 days. Steady state is not reached until a month into the pandemic. It is too early now. Clearer picture by end of March. Hopefully it gets even better.

  960. Tina says:

    What about ventilators.

    All made in China?

    Medicines too.

    The same commies that told us our army planted the virus.

    Wake up.

  961. Tina says:

    I hope we were not duped by the same Russian hoaxers and scam artists:

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    1h
    From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010:

    60.8 million Americans contracted H1N1.

    There were 274,304 U.S. hospitalizations, and 12,469 U.S. deaths.

    That’s the empirical data.

    https://cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm…

    The U.S. economy didn’t close.

  962. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From the New York Post:

    “More than 99% of coronavirus patients who died in Italy suffered from other, pre-existing health issues, according to a study by the country’s health officials.

    The new research from the National Institutes of Health released Tuesday evaluated 355 of the country’s fatalities and found that only three patients had no prior medical conditions.

    Nearly half the COVID-19 victims suffered from at least one of the following conditions: high blood pressure, diabetes or heart disease.

    More than 75% reported high blood pressure, while 35% had diabetes and 33% had heart disease, according to the study.

    The average age of the victims was 79.5, and the number of deaths in the country surpassed 2,500 this week.”

  963. Tina says:

    Hey Phil, look who is back:

    David Hogg
    @davidhogg111
    · Mar 20
    We need a president that is loyal to the American people not special interests.

    We need a president that respects the American people not Nazis

  964. jason says:

    “WaPo Calls for End to Live Broadcasts of Trump’s Daily Chinese Virus Briefings as Approval Ratings Soar”

    Pravda

  965. Tgca says:

    NUEVE! NUEVE! NUEVE! Bebe!!!

  966. Big Joe says:

    1 – 0 – 0 – 0

  967. Big Joe says:

    Thanks for the set up, Teej. Hope all is well.

    Big Joe

  968. Tina says:

    Don’t worry, China Biden, in his Bed Side Chat will correct the record.

  969. jason says:

    CNN admits tax cuts helped the economy?

    Must be a typo.

    “He was getting maybe more credit than he deserved for those things, which were helped by his tax cuts, but also in the works long before he took office. But he may also get more blame than he deserves if the economy does not bounce back quickly from the Covid-19 shutdown.”

  970. Tina says:

    Trump needs to start firing these idiots.

    The Columbia Bugle Flag of United States
    @ColumbiaBugle
    Very Concerning News

    “CBP officials are defying the Trump administration’s directive to block all nonessential foreign travel into the United States from Mexico, allowing noncitizens claiming to be on shopping trips to continue entering”

    Claim they’re going shopping: Border officials allow hundreds of Mexican vehicles to cross despite…
    Customs and Border Protection officials are defying the Trump administration’s directive to block all nonessential foreign travel into the United States from Mexico, allowing noncitizens claiming to…
    washingtonexaminer.com
    12:46 PM · Mar 21, 2020·Twitter Web App

  971. jason says:

    Big Joe swoops in and grabs the big M?

  972. jason says:

    I hope CNN and MSNBC stop airing the briefings.

    Fox News will thank them.

  973. Big Joe says:

    “Big Joe swoops in and grabs the big M?”

    Don’t forget the Big “1” too. A 1 and a 1,000 in the same thread? Ah the little things in life. 😀

    Big Joe

  974. Tina says:

    Cn and Mslsd will cover

    Biden’s Bed Side Chat.

  975. Tina says:

    She had no concerns with the fairy tale Russian hoax.

    “MSNBC’s Maddow wants Trump kept off TV, blasts ‘fairytale’ news briefings”

  976. PresidentPaul! says:

    WHO chief is China’s man

    ·
    10h
    Tedros said widespread travel bans and restrictions were not needed to stop the outbreak and could “have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.” – What “stigma” was he referring to? He should be removed IMMEDIATELY.

  977. Tina says:

    Who indicated that there is no person to person transmission of the corona virus.

    They are scam artists.

  978. Tina says:

    This must be the tweet of the day, /s

    Ted Lieu
    @tedlieu

    US House candidate, CA-33
    Taking Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin together causes a drug interaction that increases risk of irregular heartbeat, which may be life-threatening. No one should take these drugs together without consulting a doctor

  979. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Shouldn’t Lieu be preaching the Rachel Maddow position that since neither of these drugs are FDA approved for use on coronavirus, they should not be used at all?

  980. Cash Cow TM says:

    Upcoming primary elections…

    Usually lots of elderly (retired) folks work the polls.

    But older people are most sussestible to CV-19.

  981. Cash Cow TM says:

    f-ing computer..

    NOW we have tens of thousands of younger people who work in restaurants, etc, unemployed.

    Those people should be courted to sign up to be pol wokers.

  982. PresidentPaul! says:

    Hydroxychloroquine.

    I’m already in a week ago before the shortage struck\rush. No no not stock, I’m talking about the stuff itself.

  983. Tina says:

    The Rachel mad cow position is also the Jebot position.

  984. MichiganGuy says:

    Wes says:
    March 21, 2020 at 2:25 pm
    Barring a death, the Supreme Court is set right now, Jason. I agree I’d like to see fewer liberal Justices sit on it, but Biden can’t automatically wish a liberal Supreme Court into existence
    ————————————————–
    I guess Wes has never heard the term court-packing.
    Democratic candidates are increasingly advocating “court packing,” that is, upping the number of Supreme Court justices to balance the bench — or ensure a liberal majority.
    .
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/31/politics/democrats-supreme-court-packing-politics/index.html

  985. VictrC says:

    Interestingly our death rate total is now on par with South Korea, which just last week was considered the “gold standard.” The US has dropped to about 1.15%, S Korea 1.12%

    Last week we were at 3.4%.

    Just goes to show we can not really look at the stats until this is all done.

    Sadly, the death rate in Italy is over 9%, which is just stunning.

  986. PresidentPaul! says:

    #1020

    Did you hear about the NJ family where most of them died?
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/two-more-members-of-tragic-new-jersey-family-infected-with-coronavirus/

    The article mentions in passing…they were Italian.

  987. CG says:

    No, the New Jersey family is American.

  988. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html

    This one notes the NJ are Italian ethnically.

    American isn’t an ethnicity unless you’re Elizabeth Warren.

  989. PresidentPaul! says:

    btw any of you who are for some reason tempted to take hydroxychloroquine.

    This stuff causes pretty severe retinal toxicity.

    We aware.

  990. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Chloroquine is routinely given to people as a preventive medicine if you go into a tropical area which has malaria. I have taken it before.

    Here is the recommendation off a medical website:

    “Reported side effects include gastrointestinal disturbance, headache, dizziness, blurred vision, insomnia, and pruritus, but generally, these effects do not require that the drug be discontinued. High doses of chloroquine, such as those used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, have been associated with retinopathy; this serious side effect appears to be extremely unlikely when chloroquine is used for routine weekly malaria prophylaxis. Chloroquine and related compounds have been reported to exacerbate psoriasis. People who experience uncomfortable side effects after taking chloroquine may tolerate the drug better by taking it with meals. As an alternative, the related compound hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be better tolerated.”

  991. PresidentPaul! says:

    Kobe thought fluoroquinolones were harmless.

  992. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The fact that Rachel Maddow and some other liberal commentators had a fit over treating coronavirus patients with chloroquine until there were clinical trials, which could take years, just shows how badly their hatred of Trump has overcome their humanity. If you travel to the Amazon, you easily can get a prescription for chloroquine, but your not allowed to use it as a life-saving medication until it has gone through clinical trials.

  993. PresidentPaul! says:

    It’s not like Trump or anyone in the administration has anything to do with how it’s being treated anyways.

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  995. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If you want a description of the nightmare that Italy is going through now; two doctors explain the situation at their hospital.

    “90% of the workload in all hospitals is related to COVID-19. The remaining 10% involves urgent/emergent patients. He carried out a ruptured AAA yesterday (March 19)
    Every intensive care unit (ICU) is filled with COVID-19 patients
    They have cancelled all surgeries except true emergency cases—they do not carry out elective AAA, CLTI patients or dialysis patients
    Everyone is isolated at home. The only places people are allowed to go are local pharmacies or food markets. If caught on the street without permission papers, they receive a large fine or three months in jail
    The Italian doctors say the only way to control COVID-19 is for people to stay home
    Their very first case—patient zero—was Feb. 20, some 24 days ago. Our first reported case in the U.S. was Jan. 21, and first death Feb. 29
    They said they do not have enough ventilators for all who require them. We asked what their triage criteria were:
    Age 80 and older—do not resuscitate (DNR)
    Age 70 to 80—if there are any significant comorbidities (congestive heart failure, chronic kidney disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, diabetes): DNR. For all others, a decision is made on a case-by-case basis
    All ventilators are reserved for people who have a strong chance of survival
    Almost all deaths are among the elderly
    They said surgeons do nothing except urgent or emergent cases. They are not being utilized in ICUs or wards because they simply get in the way. It’s like a pediatrician volunteering to come scrub-in on a case to “help”—they would just get in the way outside their area of expertise.”

    Social distancing and inconvenience are worth avoiding our medical system getting overwhelmed like that in Italy. And for the love of….lets give patients access to potential treatments like chloroquine immediately.

  996. PresidentPaul! says:

    Well beats China where they put you in a building a weld the door shut, and then the building collapses bc of shoddy regulations.

  997. PresidentPaul! says:

    Chloroquine probably works too since it’s so similar but we are talking about hydroxychloroquine since you keep mentioning it.

  998. Messy says:

    A bit of fun for these times: https://youtu.be/LaDsOJATX3A

  999. Country Dick Montana says:

    After 3 days of decreasing deaths, we are already up to 46 today, 2 more than yesterday. 2600 new cases compared to 5100 yesterday, which was al;so a small decrease from the day before. NY and it now looks like NYC hit hardest.

  1000. Tgca says:

    1032

    This is so wrong! “Lifesaving surgeries” for transgenders being delayed due to Coronavirus pandemic.

    These lifesaving cosmetic procedures that make people feel better about themselves are being set aside in an overreaction of the pandemic in order to direct all supplies and medical support to defeating this pesky pandemic leaving transgender people with planned surgeries feeling stuck in the wrong body simply because many elderly and sickly folks are at risk of suffering and dying.

    Let’s be real here folks! Though the pandemic can quickly spread and infect hundreds of millions around the world, the vast majority will survive with only maybe a few tens of million of the elderly and sickly, who we all know are routinely a drain on resources anyway that could otherwise be used around the world for more social engineering.

    Geez! Where are your priorities America!

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/21/coronavirus-report-claims-transgenders-being-denied-lifesaving-surgery/

  1001. Tgca says:

    …and another thing! The MSM must STOP showing daily updates with Trump. This is misleading the public to seeing him as presidential and focusing on combatting this pesky pandemic. If the Trump admin keeps getting airtime, folks might become better informed and help defeat the pesky pandemic too soon, and this just can’t be allowed because his polls numbers are now increasing and there is danger he could win re-election because he’s seen as doing his job. We need more panic and suffering because it’s good for the country dammit!

    NO! Trump needs to be ignored. Let’s replace these STOOPID daily Trump conferences with more videos of celebrities toughening it out at home.

  1002. dblaikie says:

    The death rate will go up as this virus makes its way across America. But that is not the point. The point is the mortality rate. We have almost 27000 cases and only a total 348 fatalities. That is around 1.25 percent. When you factor in asymptomatic cases or cases so mild no testing was done that will drive this rate well below 1 percent.

    Like I said if the goal of this 15 day period was to avoid the Italian model well then we are doing it in spades! I wish someone would report that — no matter what Rachel Maddow thinks.

    And I wonder one other thing? How many have died of the flu in the last two and half months? I ask that not to try and condemn what we are doing (I agree with the efforts to mitigate this) but to give us all a sense of perspective to move us beyond panic to calm.

  1003. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @1040 good point. US Mortality rate started around 5.5% It is just below 1.3% this morning and drops every day. I think it’s completely reasonable to say that there are around 10x the amount of virus carriers than whats reporting, most of them mild of asymptomatic. That would bring the rate down to 0.13%. The flu is 0.1%.

    THIS IS NOT meant to downplay the severity of the situation here whatsoever. CV19 is an incredibly contagious virus and this situation could change overnight. The high mortality rates like in Italy, Spain, France and UK are what happens when the system get overloaded. That could easily happen here as well in concentrated areas like NYC

  1004. Tina says:

    Quote Tweet

    Nancy Pelosi
    @SpeakerPelosi
    · Jan 31
    The Trump Admin’s expansion of its un-American travel ban is a threat to our security, our values and the rule of law. Barring more than 350 million people from predominantly African countries from traveling to the US, this rule is discrimination disguised as policy.

  1005. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @1042 aging like a fine wine- just like Nancy herself

  1006. MichiganGuy says:

    Minnesota on the edge: ‘I’ve voted Democrat my whole life. It’s getting tougher’

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/minnesota-political-transformation-137289

  1007. PresidentPaul! says:

    USA mortality rating improved bc of testing and bc our health system isn’t overwhelmed (yet.)

    All the really sick people get access to the icu and hydroxychloroquine etc, they are probably not going to die. Even if their lungs are sh1t, they can keep these people alive (as long as it’s not overflow like Italy)

    Put the same patients who lived here in China or Italy and they die.

  1008. Pitchaboy says:

    As I pointed out yesterday, the number that jumps out is the serious/critical. Goes from 64 yesterday to over 700 today. 1 in 4 of that number won’t make it. While mortality now holds at 1.3%, if you factor this in, closer to 1.7.

  1009. Country Dick Montana says:

    Country Pop(1M) Deaths D/1M

    Italy 66 4825 73.1
    China 1400 3261 2.3
    Spain 47 1725 36.7
    Iran 83 1685 20.3
    France 67 562 8.4
    US 329 348 1.1
    UK 66 240 3.6
    Dutch 18 136 7.6
    SK 52 104 2.0
    Germany 83 93 1.1

    That is the current death rate per million in population for the top 10 countries. By extrapolation if we are Italy it means 23,000 US deaths. If France then about 2700 deaths.

  1010. Tina says:

    This is a transcript of the never trump meeting:

    Aelfred The Great
    @aelfred_D
    · 5h
    Tom Nichols: I call this meeting of the Cool Commentators Club Posse to order. Updates?

    Jen Rubin: Ive been telling people theyre murderers

    Nichols: Just the expert thought-leadersh

    Rick Wilson: Pussyballs!

    Nichols:…ok, not sure wha

    Max Boot: MAX BOOT

    Nichols: NOT NOW MAX

  1011. Country Dick Montana says:

    Thats tough to see, sorry about that

  1012. Tina says:

    Maybe a reason why the media and the drats do t like the malaria drug:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    2m
    I believe we’re closer to a pharma solution than the Dems and media want to admit.

    It’ll be a big win for
    @realDonaldTrump
    so they’re working overtime to destroy the nation before it happens.

    These people truly are evil.

  1013. Country Dick Montana says:

    Pop(1M) Death D/1M

    WA 7.6 94 12.4
    NY 19.4 76 3.9
    CA 39.5 28 0.7
    LA 4.6 20 4.3
    GA 10.6 20 1.9
    NJ 8.9 16 1.8
    FL 21.5 13 0.6
    MI 10 8 0.8
    IL 12.7 6 0.5
    CO 5.8 6 1.0

    These are the States deaths per 1M population so far. If the US we Washington, we would have about 4,000 deaths

  1014. dblaikie says:

    Pitchaboy worldometers had 10 for days and then 64. The 700 figure is far more accurate to a 1.2 percent mortality rate than 64. And you are factoring both cases so mild that they were never tested besides asymptomatic cases which believe are huge. When all is said and done, if these trends continue we are going to have a mortality rate far below 1 percent. That should make you happy!

    By the way you are not factoring in the huge number of cases that are now being reported?

  1015. Tina says:

    This actor credits the anti malaria drug for helping his case. This is the drug that drats and jebots don’t wish to provide because they want to be the gatekeeper

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/actor-daniel-dae-kim-credits-anti-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-in-his-recovery-from-coronavirus-video/

  1016. Tina says:

    And to be clear on the anti malaria drug said

    “What the heck (hell) do we have to lose. Try it.

    It may work it, it may not.

  1017. jason says:

    American isn’t an ethnicity unless you’re Elizabeth Warren.”

    We really are in uncharted waters.

    Corey now getting schooled by Bunu!

  1018. jason says:

    US House candidate, CA-33
    Taking Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin together causes a drug interaction that increases risk of irregular heartbeat, which may be life-threatening.”

    And people still vote for Dems.

    There is a “risk” of dying of Coronavirus too.

    The absolute panic these people have that this will be turned around before the economy is completely destroyed is just unbelievable to watch.

    If someone actually dies from an overdose of this drug, the Dems will put his face on Mount Rushmore.

  1019. Pitchaboy says:

    Dbalkie: I am factoring things in. I do think the 64 was a lack of data. Even factoring in that 1 in 4 critical patients won’t make it(may be less here as we do better ICU care), the worst case scenario is 1.7. If you conservatively plug in 4 undetected patients for each one detected, we end up around 0.4. Well below 1%. But significantly above 0.1% for flu. A lot of reasons for cautious optimism. As an aside, notwithstanding what the Dems are saying, we are using Hydroxychloroquine in the field.

  1020. jason says:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    2m
    I believe we’re closer to a pharma solution than the Dems and media want to admit.

    It’ll be a big win for
    @realDonaldTrump
    so they’re working overtime to destroy the nation before it happens.”

    I think that is the reason Amoral Scumbag drove by yesterday to rail against trying anything that might help.

    In fairness to him, he is willing to sacrifice his job for the cause.

    The problem is he is willing to sacrifice a lot of other peoples jobs for the cause.

    And btw, I don’t even think it will be a “huge win for Trump”. The challenges will be enormous and by November he will be judged on other things.

    But fortunately, a lot of Americans are ignoring the MSM and willing to give Trump deserved credit for doing a good job on this crisis.

  1021. Tina says:

    I posted this yesterday. This representative is an idiot. Why is he so negative for. I am sure any irregular heartbeat is a side effect that a competent doctor will assess and treat

    Ted Lieu
    @tedlieu

    US House candidate, CA-33
    Taking Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin together causes a drug interaction that increases risk of irregular heartbeat, which may be life-threatening. No one should take these drugs together without consulting a doctor

  1022. Tina says:

    Jason it’s also a reason why the jebots want the coronavrus pressers to be tossed and not covered. They are doing 2 hour presentations. You may not like somebody doing it, but I personally value those presentations for updates.

  1023. dblaikie says:

    Finally we agree on a figure pitchaboy. I believe .04 percent is a reasonable conjecture today. However this is fluid situation and mitigating treatments might lower that figure down to the level of the flu.

  1024. Tina says:

    I am reading a lot of these kinds of posts on twitter today

    obert Barnes Retweeted

    Adam Townsend
    @adamscrabble
    ·
    1h
    Police cars revolving light Why wasnt the economy shut down and people forcefully quarantined in 2009/10 when the H1N1 “swine flu infected hundreds of millions and +/- 500k people died.

  1025. Tina says:

    China Biden not on any of the Sunday shows?

    Why?

  1026. jason says:

    Tina, what time is today’s update.

    I will watch it just to irritate a Never Trumper.

  1027. Tina says:

    130 est?

  1028. Pitchaboy says:

    Reasons why they are freaking out now and not 2009:
    1. The virus is novel to humans unlike swine flu which means its potential infectiousness huge 2. You die a respiratory death which means huge load on ICU, respirators. 3. Initial reports on mortality were 4 to 5 percent which was big and 4. Did not help that the guy in charge here was someone the Press hates and would love to remove. Kind of a perfect storm to create panic. Problem for the press is, if we come out good on the other end, Trump will win in a landslide. If not, he is done and the press is hoping for this. Unfortunate, but true.

  1029. Tina says:

    He sure is bringing in a lot of private companies to help:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    24m
    Ford, General Motors and Tesla are being given the go ahead to make ventilators and other metal products, FAST!
    @fema
    Go for it auto execs, lets see how good you are?
    @RepMarkMeadows

    @GOPLeader

    @senatemajldr

  1030. jason says:

    “Schiff Says We Shouldn’t Be ‘Blaming China’ for What They’ve Done, That ‘Breeds Disunity’

    Doesn’t Schiff come up when anybody thinks of “unity”?

  1031. jason says:

    Tina, the update is at 4 PM

  1032. Wes says:

    I know I think of the guy who spearheaded the effort to impeach the President on dubious grounds when I think of unity, Jason.

  1033. Wes says:

    By the way, I want to thank Newt Gingrich for handing Schiff a House seat gift wrapped with a bow. We definitely need more liberals in Congress. They’ve done such great things for this country.

  1034. CG says:

    Italian-Americans are not dying of Coronavirus because they have “Italian blood.” Ridiculous. Any person can die of Coronavirus. Those who died within the family in NJ were not recently in Italy.

    The people in Italy have died in higher numbers because they were in Italy. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity.

  1035. Tina says:

    What about blaming Russians, when Schiffty was lying and hoaxing.

    Wasn’t that disunity, blaming innocent Russian?

    Between him and Dumb Dumb Teddy Lie wtf is going on?

  1036. Tina says:

    Thanks Jason.

    Getting all the info from that presser and some local info.

    I am avoiding Cn and N; con cast; and Faux News, given how inaccurate they have been.

  1037. Tina says:

    Btw, cuomo just thanked trump for the anti malaria drug.

    He also appears to be fed up with Duh Blah, who is on tv blaming trump. Governor Hogan just slammed Duh Blah.

    Remember, Duh Blah was just at a gym because he is Mayor and it’s nobody biz.

  1038. Tina says:

    Time for Trump to lit into Botoxic. She basically just returned from a vacay today to the congress.

    Botox treatments can wait, beotch.

    Chad Pergram
    @ChadPergram
    · 4m
    From colleague Caroline McKee. Pelosi says there’s no bipartisan deal: I don’t know about Monday but we are still talking. It’s on the Senate side now because that’s their deadline for a vote..we’ll be introducing our own bill & hopefully it’ll be compatible w/what they discussed

  1039. Phil says:

    When I think of unity I think of Adam Schiff. LOL

    Pretty sure when you open the dictionary to look up the word “unity” you won’t find a picture of the congressman.

    So now he thinks calling China out is not showing the proper “unity”

    Rich.

  1040. Tina says:

    Here is cuomo himself about the anti malaria drug.

    He listened to the experts, unlike the Jebots.

    https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1241750706970939393

  1041. jason says:

    The people in Italy have died in higher numbers because they were in Italy. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity.”

    Actually nobody knows if ethnicity plays a part on how resistant you are to the virus. Eventually we will know. My theory yesterday was that the reason the mortality rate in Germany and Austria is so much lower than other European countries could be something to do with ethnicity.

    It probably does vary with ethnicity just like it seems to vary with sex, with men more likely to both contract and die from the disease. Since 50% of men smoke in China vs. 2% of women, that could certainly impact the mortality rate (and possibly contagion too if men have weaker immunity from smoking).

  1042. jason says:

    I must admit I am surprised by Cuomo. I always thought he was an incompetent airhead but he has done a few things that show he is more interested in solving the problem than playing politics. He has ignored DeBlasio and he has given Trump credit.

  1043. jason says:

    The Dems want to see if they can take advantage of the situation to push socialism, climate change and abortion.

    Rahm Emmanuel’s theory, don’t let any crisis go to waste.

  1044. Messy says:

    1083.What’s wrong with pushing climate change?

    we could use a new thread here….

    1076. He wasn’t doing that at all….

  1045. dblaikie says:

    I will go out a limb right now and say that Andrew Como with his handling of this crisis is the future and only hope of the Democratic party.

    It probably won’t happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow the dem establishment pulls the rug out from Biden and tries to get Como the nomination. However, based on today and today alone, he has the 2024 nomination in the bag.

  1046. dblaikie says:

    Somehow, you mark my words, the media is going to try and say that climate change contributed to Cornavirus.

  1047. VictrC says:

    BREAKING: Gov. Cuomo says New York will start implementing the trial drugs to treat Coronavirus and that they have acquired 70,000 HCQ, 10,000 Z-pac, and 750,000 Chloroq from the Federal Government. Trials start Tuesday.

    But Trump is awful. This can’t happen. We can’t save lives if it helps Trump at all.

    BTW let’s not get ahead of ourselves on Cuomo. Credit where credit is due, he’s handling the crisis better than others. For sure. Policy wise, there is no difference between him and other far left wingers. See NyState taxes, policies,et al

  1048. Phil says:

    I’ve been commenting on Cuomo for days now, Tina. He’s been terrific. I’ve frankly been shocked.

    …..and I listened to every word he had to say this morning on the malaria drug.

    Look for him to be trashed in the coming days by both Democrats and the Never Trumpers. What he said about the drug this morning was in complete harmony with what the President has said. The Trump haters can’t have that. Cuomo must be destroyed.

  1049. Phil says:

    No, I wouldn’t vote for Cuomo. Just saying he has been sane and a real adult in this. Don’t see that much any longer.

  1050. Tina says:

    Abigail Marone (Text EMPOWER to 88022)
    @abigailmarone
    ·
    16m
    Admitting you knew AOC was lying on your show and you decided not to fact check her makes this worse.

    President Trump called Democrat’s politicization of coronavirus a hoax, not legitimate concerns.

    He has been taking this seriously since he first learned it was a threat.
    Quote Tweet

    Jake Tapper
    @jaketapper
    · 1h
    I thought about it, because the president did not call the virus a hoax.

    But i didn’t because he *did* call a hoax the concerns of those saying that the response from the president was insufficient and that he was downplaying the gravity of the crisis. And that too was a lie. https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1241720066397306883…
    Show this thread

  1051. VictrC says:

    Phil

    Agreed, we need to compliment someone when they do a good job and Cuomo has been excellent in this crisis.

    We can talk about his views later on, but right now let’s cheer him on for the way he’s helping the people of his state.

  1052. Big E says:

    If the drugs work in New York it will be impossible for the media to ignore. It will help accelerate a sense of normality and kick start the economy.

  1053. jason says:

    Rob Reiner, how loves calling Trump a fascist and a Nazi, wants martial law.

  1054. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron!

    You still haven’t told me when Brenda Snipes became a Republican.

  1055. jason says:

    “But i didn’t because he *did* call a hoax the concerns of those saying that the response from the president was insufficient and that he was downplaying the gravity of the crisis.”

    Wow, how convoluted is that.

    Of course, the revised version is still wrong.

    What Trump actually said was the Dems have been trying to find things to bring him down, and that they were politicize this as just another attempt.

    And he was certainly right, that is exactly what they are doing.

  1056. jason says:

    TW let’s not get ahead of ourselves on Cuomo. Credit where credit is due, he’s handling the crisis better than others. For sure. Policy wise, there is no difference between him and other far left wingers. See NyState taxes, policies,et al”

    Absolutely, that is why I always thought he was a nitwit.

    But I think he made the decision early that this was a serous situation, and that the best way to resolve it was to work in harmony with Trump and get the job done.

  1057. Tina says:

    Or, flapper admits that AOC but refuses o,call it out.

  1058. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag, Dems and MSM hardest hit.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci: No clash with Trump on malaria drug for coronavirus

    Anthony Fauci, the main scientist in the U.S. coronavirus response, says combining a malaria drug with certain antibiotics shows “anecdotal” promise for COVID-19 patients and that his push for more proof doesn’t mean he is clashing with President Trump.

    “I think there’s this issue of trying to separate the two of us. There isn’t fundamentally a difference there,” Dr. Fauci, the director of the told CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday.”

    Ouch…

  1059. jason says:

    “I think there’s this issue of trying to separate the two of us.”

    Yah thinks?

  1060. jason says:

    Italy cases and death toll lower than yesterday.

    Let’s hope it is a trend.

  1061. Tina says:

    Rand Paul tests positive for coronavirus.

  1062. Country Dick Montana says:

    Spike in US deaths today. 94 so far, of which 58 in NY. I am curious as to how many of NY state’s 114 deaths are actually in NYC. That could be the next Italy with people living stacked up on one another.

  1063. Scooterboy says:

    Merkel tests positive for COVAID 19

  1064. jason says:

    Testing has really ramped up so you will see a big increase in reported cases.

    On the other hand the mortality rate is now 1.03% and should continue to fall.

  1065. jason says:

    “Senator Rand Paul has tested positive for COVID-19. He is feeling fine and is in quarantine. He is asymptomatic and was tested out of an abundance of caution due to his extensive travel and events. He was not aware of any direct contact with any infected person.

    He expects to be back in the Senate after his quarantine period ends and will continue to work for the people of Kentucky at this difficult time. Ten days ago, our D.C. office began operating remotely, hence virtually no staff has had contact with Senator Rand Paul.”

  1066. Scooterboy says:

    My house got TP’d last night. It’s now appraised at $3.5 million.

  1067. Tgca says:

    Uno.
    Uno.
    Uno.
    Uno.

  1068. lisab says:

    chloroquine is synthetic quinine, as opposed to the quinine from tree bark

    the brits drank it in gin and tonics for 150 years

    and tonic water still has quinine in it, (albeit less than therapeutic doses).

    yes, if you take 2 grams you can die, but that is 6 to 8 times the therapeutic dose.

  1069. Scooterboy says:

    I stand corrected. Merkel has not tested positive. She is currently being quarantined because her doctor tested positive.

  1070. Tina says:

    Kayleigh McEnany
    @kayleighmcenany
    ·
    26m
    MUST WATCH: CNN & the Fake News media double standard Downwards arrow

    When
    @realDonaldTrump
    expresses optimism about hydroxychloroquine treating the coronavirus it’s “false hope”

    When the Democrat Governor of New York does it, it’s actual “hope” & “leadership”

    Can’t have it both ways!

  1071. Tina says:

    World Health Organization (WHO)
    @WHO
    · Jan 10
    WHO does not recommend any specific health measures for travellers to and from Wuhan,#ChinaFlag of China

    It is generally considered that entry screening offers little benefit, while requiring considerable resources http://bit.ly/2sgvOZK #coronavirus https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1215720600590848000…
    Show this thread

  1072. lisab says:

    WHO does not recommend any specific health measures for travellers to and from Wuhan,#ChinaFlag of China
    ——————-

    clearly drin more gin and tonics

    quinine is pretty much sold out btw

  1073. Victrc says:

    Biden put out one of the most dishonest videos I’ve seen in a long time, and in the middle of a crisis in order to undermine the President. It totally misquotes is mis represents his positions, just as the media is doing (for instance in one shot The President says “and it will go away” while making a sign of the curve. He’s 100% talking about when it’s over at the end of the curve but they present it as if he’s saying that at the beginning it will just go away.)

    His subordinates then tout his work on SARS, Ebola and Swis flu and how much better he would have done. problem is:

    * SARS occurred in the Bush Administration, there haven’t been any cases since 2004.
    * Ebola happened in three countries in West Africa, it never touched the US.
    * Swine flu was first recorded in March 2009 in CA, in April 26 the WHO declared it an emergency, the O’Biden administration didn’t declare a national emergency until November. 12,000+ Americans died including over 1,600 children.

  1074. jason says:

    I am drinking 4 gin and tonics a day as prevention.

  1075. Tina says:

    The leader of Who has a shady past btw.

  1076. Tina says:

    If you go past Biden’s sheotty video, he is requesting money for his campaign.

    This is amoral and inappropriate behavior.

    I am sure the jebots will comment.

  1077. dblaikie says:

    Again the whole reason for this 15 days was avoid the Italian model! Well now we are down to a 1 percent fatality rate. Look at the difference between the US and Italy. When is someone going to come out and at least say, to give people reasonable hope, we are doing it. We are flattening the curve!!! That would be nice.

  1078. jason says:

    Hmmm… another reason the mortality rate in Italy is so high. Doctors are attributing any hospital death to the virus.

    Seems irresponsible to me and a uniform standard would be helpful to analyze all this later.

    “According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics – the nation has the second oldest population worldwide – and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.

    “The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older – the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”

    A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.

    And according to modelling the majority of this age group are likely to need critical hospital care – including 80 per cent of 80-somethings – putting immense pressure on the health system.

    But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.”

  1079. Blobbie says:

    – Ebola happened in three countries in West Africa, it never touched the US.

    You are just sucking up to Trump.

    Ebola did not kill anyone in the USA because of Biden

    You are just a racist because you don’t like Brown people from Africa

  1080. jason says:

    I should say any hospital death of a person with the virus is attributed to the virus.

    Since there is such a high number of elderly patients, this might not be the case.

  1081. lisab says:

    another reason the mortality rate in Italy is so high. Doctors are attributing any hospital death to the virus.
    ———————————

    it is probably valid. even if the elder person did not have coronavirus, they did not get the care they needed and would have otherwise gotten had the hospital been empty

  1082. jason says:

    Bad bait alert…

    “Ebola did not kill anyone in the USA because of Biden”

  1083. jason says:

    it is probably valid. even if the elder person did not have coronavirus, they did not get the care they needed and would have otherwise gotten had the hospital been empty”

    Don’t think so, its highly likely some of these patients would die of the underlying condition.

    The scientific adviser is pretty much saying that or he wouldn’t bring it up.

  1084. jason says:

    No to mention some of these elderly patients might have gotten Coronavirus IN the hospital.

  1085. lisab says:

    Bad bait alert…

    “Ebola did not kill anyone in the USA because of Biden”
    ————————

    actually, it is now hard to distinguish robbie’s posts from blobbie’s

  1086. lisab says:

    No to mention some of these elderly patients might have gotten Coronavirus IN the hospital.
    ———————

    well yes, they are so overwhelmed there

    good thing italy is ranked better than the usa on health care or they might be in trouble

  1087. lisab says:

    according to this

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

    france is ranked #1
    italy #2
    spain #7

    usa #37

  1088. Scooterboy says:

    Amber Phillips, Washington Post Reporter: “ My apologies for quoting the President out of context. As the Washington Post’s fact checker makes clear, he called Democrats politicizing Coronavirus a hoax. I have deleted the incorrect tweet”.

    I wonder if she has ever erred on behalf of the President. I doubt it.

  1089. Tina says:

    Wtf is the congress doing?

    Shut it down..

    Paul Kane
    @pkcapitol
    ·
    17m
    It would be nice if Brian Monahan, Office of Attending Physician, would do a news conference about advice he’s been giving congressional leaders. Why the Senate gym and pool were open this morning. Why tourists poured onto Capitol until March 13.

  1090. Pitchaboy says:

    Gateway Pundit is a moron. Guys who don’t understand statistical analysis of a pandemic needs to shut up. The idea of the measures put in place is to get R0 to less than 2 grinding the epidemic to a halt. Taiwan and the SARS countries did it with containment as they had experience with containment. We are doing it with mitigation. We are past containment at this time.

  1091. Pitchaboy says:

    R0 less than 1.

  1092. Florida Guy says:

    “Ban the coronavirus presser. Trump is just playing to his base.”

    It’s called, BEING PRESIDENT.

    Margaret Sullivan of the Washington Post can suck eggs.

    FG

  1093. lisab says:

    re: rand paul

    I bet he was perfectly fine with obtaining a free test with his taxpayer-funded health insurance.

    —–

    No worries. I’m sure he’ll pull himself up by his bootstraps and fight this thing without any socialized medicine.
    ——

    Aight I understand the “don’t advocate violence rule,” but can I advocate for him not getting treated? The man literally advocates for people with deadly diseases not to be treated by the government.

    ———

    Biden has disappeared. Either he has it or he’s desperately trying to avoid it. Meanwhile Bernie is raising money and holding virtual conferences and doing everything he can to selflessly help the situation.

    ———–

    The day after we closed the border, good luck coming to Canada for treatment you sht weasel.

  1094. Country Dick Montana says:

    1136 – What is R0?

  1095. Country Dick Montana says:

    R0 – Basic Reproduction Number. Got it

    Thanks again for the work you are doing for those that need it.

  1096. lisab says:

    R0 = how contagious a disease is

    an R0 of 2 means that on average 2 people will catch it from an infected person

  1097. Pitchaboy says:

    R0 is the number of people being infected by a patient. It is currently running around 2: meaning every infected person is infecting 2 others. When it becomes less than 1, the pandemic grinds to a halt

  1098. Tina says:

    Presser has been moved to 2 pm.

    Doubtful they will ban the presser.

    They are getting ratings from it.

    Follow the $$$

  1099. jason says:

    good thing italy is ranked better than the usa on health care or they might be in trouble”

    Ah yes, anywhere with socialized health care or “universal healthcare” is rated better, no matter what the quality of the care is, what limits there are and how long it takes to get the care.

  1100. jason says:

    They will show it because otherwise Fox will get even better ratings.

  1101. Tina says:

    Rand Paul was spotted at gym this am.

    Gyms are closed in Ca,

    Wtf again is the congress doing!

  1102. Pitchaboy says:

    Most people confuse health care delivery with actual health care. We may be No. 37 in delivery as quality of care is not evenly distributed (we are not socialists). But if you ever get gravely ill, this is the place to be at. We will cut any corner to give our patients the best chance.

  1103. Tina says:

    5 pm is the coronavirus presser.

    It will be a long one.

  1104. Tina says:

    Italy has run out of ventilators.

    They are not giving any for use in patients older than 60 years.

    There is your de facto death panel.

  1105. jason says:

    Hogan is no Trump fan so I admire his willingness to call out de Blasio.

    de Blasio has now been put in his place by both Cuomo and Hogan.

    “Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) on Sunday slammed New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio for saying not enough is being done to combat the Wuhan coronavirus.

    “I understand people out there are concerned about when is it going to look better. Just know that people all over the place are working as hard as they possibly can to fight this hidden enemy,” Hogan explained. “And it’s going to take all of us, not only local governments, the cities, like the mayor, the state governments, all the governors, the federal government.”

    According to Hogan, the Wuhan coronavirus impacts each and every person in the country, which is why the response needs to be coordinated on all levels of government.”

  1106. VictrC says:

    Has anyone noticed that:

    – Democrats are desperate for the President to use the Defense Production Act. Reason so he can mandate industries make what he tells them to. they want to use it in November to show how government controlled industry is better for the people than private industry.

    – That Dr. Fauci is the only reasonable voice in the administration. Not the Surgeon General, not the female Dr (sorry I dont remmber her name), but Dr. Fauci. This has happened since the letters where he praised Clinton were released. So since he’s a Dem who supported Clinton, he’s the only acceptable spokesperson.

    Politics always is first with the left.

  1107. Tina says:

    Dr brix is the other doctor.

    She is better than Dr.hillary Fauci.

    She has a better tee vee voice.

    Fauci rambles.

  1108. Wes says:

    Tina says:
    March 22, 2020 at 3:38 pm
    The leader of Who has a shady past btw.

    It’s true. Pete Townsend was caught looking at child porn in 2010.

  1109. mRviTO says:

    Reverend Al Sharpton
    @TheRevAl
    ·
    Mar 20
    This week, in the spirit of unity, I made a moral appeal to the
    @WhiteHouse
    to consider the homeless & incarcerated amid #COVID19. To my surprise,
    @realDonaldTrump
    called me to discuss it. If Trump can call a critic like Al Sharpton, we can *all* find it in us to come together.

  1110. Tina says:

    China Biden is the standard needs a test or is it wants a test?

    Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330)
    @JoeBiden
    · 5m
    On March 6th, Donald Trump claimed: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test.”

    That was a flat-out lie then, and it’s still not true today. It’s a disgrace.

    We need to ensure everyone who needs a test can get one free of charge. Period.

  1111. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since it has been brought up, hydroxychloroquine is a less toxic derivative of chloroquine. Both are being used for coronavirus. There appears to be a preference for using chloroquine first; rather than its derivative:

    Below are recommendations from Korean physicians, who are recommending use of chloroquine.

    “In addition to CPAM, a group of Korean physicians with experience in treating SARS-CoV-2 infected patients have developed recommendations for the treatment of COVID-19. According to these physicians, antiviral medications are not recommended for use in young, healthy patients with mild symptoms and no underlying comorbid conditions. However, treatment with lopinavir 400 mg; ritonavir 100 mg (2 tablets by mouth twice daily) or chloroquine (500 mg by mouth twice daily) should be considered for use in older patients or patients with under underlying conditions and serious symptoms. If chloroquine is unavailable, they recommend considering use of hydroxychloroquine (400 mg by mouth once daily). Use of ribavirin and interferon were not recommended as first-line treatments because of the risk for side effects; however, use of these medications may be considered if treatment with lopinavir; ritonavir, chloroquine, or hydroxychloroquine are ineffective. (12) (13)”

    https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf

    Maybe Rachel Maddow needs to go on another rant in Korean. From various online discussion boards, Americans seem to be familiarizing themselves well with chloroquine and its possible use, and supporting its immediate use. The liberal media’s attempt to attack Trump on the issue is backfiring; particularly since Cuomo is on board.

  1112. Cash Cow TM says:

    OK…

    STILL not seeing reported what I want to know and what would be most helpful to the public.

    1. How many people in U.S. dying so far this year from CV-19
    (and what % of those deaths are to people over 60 or 65 who also had compromising health issues prior to getting CV-19)

    2. How may people being tested are testing positive for CV-19

    3. How many people HOSPITALIZED due to CV-19 (serious cases)

    4. How many people test positive and sent home to self quarantine. (not serious cases, mild symptoms, corona “lite”)

    5. How many people test positive, but show no symptoms?

    6. How many in U.S. have died so far this year from the regular flu (out of how many cases of regular flu reported)

  1113. dblaikie says:

    Senate is voting to close debate. I wonder if Mitch has the votes? Or is partisan battle about to begin?

  1114. Pitchaboy says:

    Mr. Cow::
    1. 420 deaths so far. Over 85% over age 60
    2. 10 percent tested are positive
    3. Hospitalization rate 13%
    4. The rest are sent home to self isolate
    5. Answer unknown as antibody testing not being done
    6. Around 16000

  1115. jason says:

    1. How many people in U.S. dying so far this year from CV-19
    (and what % of those deaths are to people over 60 or 65 who also had compromising health issues prior to getting CV-19)

    414

    2. How may people being tested are testing positive for CV-19

    Approximately 10%

    3. How many people HOSPITALIZED due to CV-19 (serious cases)

    If there are 30k cases in the US and 5% are hospitalized that number is probably close to 1500.

    4. How many people test positive and sent home to self quarantine. (not serious cases, mild symptoms, corona “lite”)

    In total 95% of cases are deemed as mild worlwide.

    5. How many people test positive, but show no symptoms?

    18%

    6. How many in U.S. have died so far this year from the regular flu (out of how many cases of regular flu reported)

    22,000

  1116. VictrC says:

    Trump: Sen Romney tested positive?

    Reporter: Yes

    Trump: Gee, that’s awful

    laughter in the audience.

    Reporter: Was that sarcastic

    Trump: No, of course not.

  1117. jason says:

    Trump: No, of course not”

    LOL

  1118. jason says:

    Trump: Sen Romney tested positive?”

    Actually he said is Sen Romney quarantined.

  1119. jason says:

    Huh, isolated not quarantined.

  1120. jason says:

    I see Pitch beat me on the answers, I am proud I actually answered one he didn’t.

    They are basically the same answers, but since he is a real doctor, I defer to him.

  1121. Cash Cow TM says:

    thanks, Pitchboy and Jason.
    You all are better than Google, Siri and Alexa all wrapped up in one.

    #########################

    And Pitch, you can just call me Cow.

    Not Mr. Cow. (would be confusing to some)

  1122. Cash Cow TM says:

    NY considering letting prisoners go free if they are high risk for CV-19 and are low risk for recidivism.

    Harvey Weinstein tests positive for CV-19.

  1123. Cash Cow TM says:

    So… will Harvewy get a get out of jail free card.

  1124. VictrC says:

    ooops Sorry, I confused quarantined with positive.

    Was still a moment of levity.

  1125. dblaikie says:

    Well the Potomac two step continues. Cloture vote failed. Of course negotiations will continue. Of course finger pointing will continue. Of course an agreement will be reached that will be full of pork. Of course . . .

  1126. Tina says:

    Jebots kill coronavirus recovery bill.

  1127. dblaikie says:

    Tina bill is not killed just stalled so Chuck and Nancy can try to put more stuff in it they like.

  1128. VictrC says:

    You know for a fact that a. The Dems will load it with as many giveaways as possible to their constituents, and b. They will try to limit any potential success that could be associated with Republicans and the President even if it hurts Americans

  1129. VictrC says:

    That was a good press conference. I hope that it was on the networks and they didn’t follow MAddow’s demand that the American public be cut off from the information from the President and his staff when we need it.

  1130. Tina says:

    Db, I know and now stock futures are down a lot.

    Thanks drats.

  1131. Bitterlaw says:

    1162. Is the hatred of Romney so deep at HHR that it would be funny if he contracted the virus? That is sick and sad.

  1132. Big Joe says:

    Futures hit limit down shortly after their 6pm open. Tomorrow’s open looks ugly.

    Big Joe

  1133. Phil says:

    Thanks, Democrats.

  1134. Wes says:

    To be fair, Bitter, because of his partisan gamesmanship with people’s lives, I wouldn’t mind if Schumer contracted the virus and died of it—though I’m sure Mikey would be sad to know his senior Senator would thus never become Majority Leader.

  1135. Bitterlaw says:

    The hospital in my hometown has 12 coronavirus patients.

  1136. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t want Democrats dead, Wes. I want them defeated.

  1137. dblaikie says:

    Big Joe, once they reach an agreement, and they will (political death if this stalls for more that 24 hours) stocks will go up.

  1138. Proud Obamacon says:

    Absolute $hitshow of a presser today. No wonder futures cratered in a matter of minutes. I swear Orange and his corrupt family had to have shorted the market.

    So let’s see. King Orange refuses to rule out accepting my tax money for his own properties. Orange worshippers in the senate want to bail out POS corporations who gambled my money and lost instead of sending money to average people who are hurting. Sad that ReTHUGs can’t simply help the average person even at a time like this they think about helping out the donors. SICK!

    Of course, HHR loves this right? Markets crashing, they money being used to bail out corrupt corporations, a-ok with yall right?

    We need new leadership and we need it fast. This chit is not getting any better until a new administration takes over.

    #RESIST!

  1139. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I wouldn’t mind if Schumer contracted the virus and died of it”

    Wow, just wow. HHR was bad but this bad? Absolutely sick.

  1140. Tgca says:

    Congress needs to put partisan politics aside and work together to get a bill to help everyday Americans so that Trump can sign it ASAP. But the bill needs to ensure there is a provision that declares sexual reassignment surgery as an essential medical need. This is a MUST or no bill! All other elective surgeries can wait but transgender cosmetic surgery is crucial.

  1141. Proud Obamacon says:

    #1187 db-

    Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you. However this is a market where good news is bad news and bad news is awful news. Just like earlier this year where good news was great news and bad news was good news too. Markets are irrational. I can certainly see a short-term bump if an agreement is reached, but the longer term trend is down (this is based on technical analysis of the S&P chart).

    Big Joe

  1142. Big Joe says:

    Come on, Proud. Don’t start this chit again.

    Big Joe

  1143. Proud Obamacon says:

    I hope Nancy Pelosi gets corona virus too.

    Wes

  1144. Proud Obamacon says:

    dkjs sdd fsdsf muh corona muh virus china sucks

    Love, Tina

  1145. Proud Obamacon says:

    Venezuela North Korea Castro barf barf Stalin!! BENGHAZI!!!!!! emailS!!!!1

  1146. Proud Obamacon says:

    That was Jason of course (maybe Phil) LOL

  1147. Proud Obamacon says:

    Can we put politics aside please during this time. We must let our great leaders lead. Democrats should not be complaining at this time.

    (VC)

  1148. Proud Obamacon says:

    Moo Moo

    Cow

    Milk

    (Ca$h Cow $$)

  1149. Proud Obamacon says:

    I have diabetes but I will definitely vote against my interests!

    BitterLawyer

  1150. Wes says:

    Nice twist of my words, PO. Show me where I said I WANT Schumer to contract coronavirus.

    Of course your party’s absolutely pure on this, having set up death watches for Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms during the 107th Congress, right?

  1151. Proud Obamacon says:

    The Marxist road kill turd Obamacommunist’s socialist paradise of Venezuela they ran out of toilet paper years ago.

  1152. Big Joe says:

    Cut it out, Proud. WTF are you doing?

    Big Joe

  1153. Tina says:

    You can trust the commies Chinese,

    The Reckoning ? Retweeted

    Vincent Lee
    @Rover829
    ·
    5m
    Reuters: MAINLAND CHINA REPORTS 9 NEW CORONAVIRUS DEATHS ON MARCH 22 VS 6 ON MARCH 21

  1154. Wes says:

    By the way, PO, Schumer is playing partisan games with people’s lives to try to score political points on this.

    Buddhism has a doctrine for retribution by the universe for such evil acts: karma.

  1155. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry Wes, The GOP senate bill (with NO Dem input btw) is a giveaway to the corporations. Bailouts bailouts and more bailouts. Hell no, money should be going to the workers, not to the greedy corporations. I think I know why Orange wants money going to the corporations. How many Trump properties stand to benefit? How many, sport? Welllll?

    #RESIST

  1156. Wes says:

    Of course Schumer threatened not one but two Supreme Court Justices BY NAME, but I am wrong for what I said.

  1157. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just passed something beautiful in my neighborhood. A group of singers was on the street serenading a large senior citizen complex. The seniors where out on their balconies. Neighboring residents also. Everyone was clapping loudly. Sometimes a crisis brings out the best in people.

  1158. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes says: ” Show me where I said I WANT Schumer to contract coronavirus.”

    Wes said just minutes earlier: “I wouldn’t mind if Schumer contracted the virus and died of it”

    What a moron. HHR went off the deep end long ago but now HHR wouldn’t mind if Schumer died from the virus? SICKENING

  1159. Wes says:

    You mean like all the money Obama gave to his corporate cronies in 2009, PO?

    Oh, the consistency of the Left!

  1160. VictrC says:

    No one, and I mean no one, should have the Corona virus wished upon them. Period. Dem. Republican…

    With that said, Bitter, the post earlier was about Trump’s reaction, not Romney. I only wish him the best, and hope he gets back to the Senate quickly and healthy and supports getting solutions for the hardest hit.

    And, yes, we should all be working together to ensure that the American worker and small businesses gets taken care of first. A bill for large corporations is important too as they employ millions. We should NOT be playing political games.

  1161. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Of course Schumer threatened not one but two Supreme Court Justices BY NAME, but I am wrong for what I said.

    Wes denying and then trying to change the subject while standing by his desire for Schumer to die from the virus. Keep digging your hole, PLEASE PROCEED! LOL

  1162. Tgca says:

    1207

    Of course SDC did not mention the song was I Did it My Way

    And now the end is near
    So I face the final curtain
    My friend, I’ll say it clear
    I’ll state my case of which I’m certain
    I’ve lived a life that’s full
    I’ve traveled each and every highway
    And more, much more than this
    I did it my way
    Regrets, I’ve had a few
    But then again, too few to mention
    I did what I had to do
    And saw it through without exception
    I planned each charted course
    Each careful step along the byway
    Oh, and more, much more than this
    I did it my way
    Yes, there were times, I’m sure you know
    When I bit off more than I could chew
    But through it all when there was doubt
    I ate it up and spit it out
    I faced it all and I stood tall
    And did it my way
    I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried
    I’ve had my fails, my share of losing
    And now as tears subside
    I find it all…

  1163. Wes says:

    I know you’re an idiot, PO, but I’ll walk your minuscule brain through this:

    Wanting something and not minding are not equivalent statements.

    One implies a desire, which I did not express.

    The other indicates a lack of concern regarding an occurrence, which I did express.

    Read this post about 15 or 20 times so what I said can sink in.

  1164. Proud Obamacon says:

    “A bill for large corporations is important too as they employ millions.”

    ok VC, since you are sometimes reasonable, I’ll ask you. Why not just send money to the workers affected by the greed and mismanagement of the large corporations? Why reward the large corps with bailouts so they can line their own pockets and buy back sick amounts of their own stock while laying off workers? Why?

  1165. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Wanting something and not minding are not equivalent statements.”

    Yeah yeah sure Wes. I’m sure you would afford me the same liberal interpretation if I posted what you posted and substituted an R’s name for Schumer. You are a sick phuck.

    Either admit you were wrong or own that you want D politicians to die from the virus.

  1166. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1212. They didn’t sing that one, but did “On the Boardwalk” and “Tiny Bubbles.” There were no news reports or cameras there, so it was not a publicity stunt. Just regular people given their time. I did take short videos of two of the songs — so the memory remains.

  1167. Country Dick Montana says:

    Tough day after some hope the last couple of days. 114 new deaths in the US. NY had 59 of them. There is good news though as Washington only had 1 new death. That had been the epicenter before NY. NY/WA/CA still account for 57% of all deaths in the US (238 of 414)

  1168. Big Joe says:

    Dick,
    It seems this is not going to blow over quickly. We’ll have to hunker down for quite some time, unfortunately.

    Big Joe

  1169. Tgca says:

    Oh Dios mio!

    That old hag Madonna posts a video in her ultra fancy bath of roses petals surrounded by fancy candles about how the Coronaviris is both terrible and wonderful and how it’s made us all equal.

    I dunno about y’all but I went to 3 stores in search of rose petals today and found squat. Zilch! Nada! So I’ll be relaxing in good ole Bubble Bath tonight I got for $3.99 in a 20 oz bottle. Does that make me equal with the celebrities now?

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/03/22/madonna-says-coronavirus-made-us-all-equal-in-nude-psa/

  1170. VictrC says:

    PO

    First of all, I would support, and I imagine there will be put in, provisions not allowing any stock buybacks or executive bonuses while outstanding loans are in place (meaning bailouts). I can not see a bill where this doesn’t get included.

    Secondly, you conflate the actions of a few companies, with all. There are thousands of large companies who have good corporate practices, and they employ tens of millions. They should not go under because of an act of Nature.

    There is a plan to get money into the hands of people (the $3K checks) there is a plan for payrolls to small businesses (250% of payroll and healthcare loans that can be managed by banks) and there is a plan for big businesses. We need all three. One should not be exclusive at the expense of the other.

  1171. Tina says:

    Here is a new complaint about the corona pressers, they last as long as a Trump Rally.

    Katie Rogers
    @katierogers
    · 1h
    These briefings now run an average of 90 minutes — about the length of a Trump rally. Imagine that!

  1172. Country Dick Montana says:

    BJ- IT will take a while, but if WA gets it under control (They were averaging over 9 a day for the 5 previous days)then it is something to use as a marker for other states.

    We have ways to go, but based on deaths per million if we had the same rat as Italy we would be at 28,000 right now. Or even France we would be at 3300. We are on par with Germany at about 1.3 deaths/million.

    NYC is the scary place right now. 28000/square mile or 44/acre. If they get to Italy’s rate then it will be 700 dead just in the city.

  1173. Country Dick Montana says:

    I thought the President said in his presser yesterday or the day before he does not want to see stock buy backs. He said that he didn’t like them at anytime as they should be using the profits to invest in factories and innovation.

  1174. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC,

    I would tend to agree with you. You do know that what you are saying is very much inline with what Pelosi and Schumer are proposing? You do know that the McConnell Senate bill (with 0 D input) is a giveaway to the corporations at the expense of the workers which is why D’s voted against it even Manchin.

  1175. Wes says:

    You are a sick, brainwashed f uck, PO. No one here questions that. That said, I’m sorry English is a language beyond your ability to understand, though honestly I can’t say I’m surprised.

  1176. Proud Obamacon says:

    Keep digging, Wes. LOL

  1177. Tgca says:

    Hmmm…I find myself in an odd spot here where I agree both with Wes (PO is an idiot) and PO (it’s not hard to distinguish a desire and not minding).

    Would it be inappropriate if I said I would not mind if Pelosi was in a fatal car crash or that Hillary replaced Kobe on that helicopter ride? Would most folks see the fine distinction between desire and not minding?

    Personally, I see nothing awful about Wes’ comment, as I have wished terrible things on Mitt but then that’s the great thing about being Catholic, we can be forgiven for our statements and acts when we seek redemption …unless your Bitter of course, who does not believe in redemption so I guess he must be a fake Catholic.

  1178. Wes says:

    That’s the best you have, PO. Might as well go with a.

  1179. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes: ” I wouldn’t mind if Schumer contracted the virus and died of it”

    Keep digging, sport.

  1180. Big Joe says:

    #1222, Dick-
    You’re obviously very well-versed with the numbers at a micro level and I thank you for keeping us informed. I’m keeping my view macro right now.

    I do hope that we are able to get this under control quick. I don’t see how we can really become comfortable again until there is a vaccine. Even if the spread subsides and numbers come down, what happens when people start going out again? The virus will start spreading again and will we again have to start shutting schools/businesses? This really is uncharted territory.

    At this point, the magic number for me is the time between now and a vaccine.

    Big Joe

  1181. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC,
    Sorry but no-strings-attached bailouts for corporations are a non-starter.

  1182. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “The #epidemic that is underway right now is probably going to peak sometime in late April, tail off into May & June….We need to plan for Fall and another outbreak.” @ScottGottliebMD to @margbrennan on @FaceTheNation #coronavirus #COVID?19,

    Gottlieb in my book is up there with Dr. Fauci as a foremost leading expert on epidemics.

  1183. Victrc says:

    PO – but who is saying its a no strings attached bailout. Remember there are three sides to every story, his, hers and the truth (which is normally parts of his and hers)

    I would like to see the actual proposed legislation and read it before passing any judgement.

    Anyone know of a link

  1184. Tgca says:

    Uno. Dos. Tres. Quatro.

  1185. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, DUH! We are shut down until a vaccine is developed. You’re a phucking rocket scientist, bruh!

    People already out and about infecting and reinfecting. This chit ain’t about to stop until someone finds a vaccine.

    #RESIST!

  1186. Country Dick Montana says:

    “At this point, the magic number for me is the time between now and a vaccine.”

    That will have be done with the FDA protocols, so nothing this year. And next year it will be something else.

    If China’s first case was in say middle of December and they had it under control by middle of February then it is 8 weeks from first case. So if our first case was middle of January, then we are probably still a few weeks out primarily because we don’t have the luxury that the CCP has of strictly enforcing a lock down. And thank goodness for that.

    We will get through this and maybe even pull together a little as Americans. After that there will be plenty of time to go back hating those with whom we disagree. Its the American way.

  1187. Proud Obamacon says:

    Here are some goodies from yall favorite bill:

    1. Corporations must keep employees “to the extent possible” – so they can just layoff as many as they want saying it wasn’t possible to keep them.

    2. Blank check for the Treasury Sec. to bail out whoever he wants – more money for Trump Properties baby!

    3. Very weak buyback restrictions – which can be waived by Treasure Sec. – so basically, no buyback restriction at all!

    4. No money for hospitals but $500B in bailout $ for corporations not even counting Airlines.

    Oh there’s A LOT more. No wonder McConnel and his R friends crafted this with ZERO D input.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN

  1188. Proud Obamacon says:

    Even at a time like this when millions are about to become unemployed, all the Rs can do is think about their buddies and keep screwing the American worker. SICK. Yeah they’ll throw the worker some peanuts and hope that he’s happy. Not gonna work this time.

  1189. Country Dick Montana says:

    1238-I am with you in principal on the bailouts, never liked them in the first place because the government is in the business of picking winners and losers.

    BUT

    What would you suggest in lieu of providing some thing to keep the companies that provide those jobs afloat. $1 Trillion for every adult and child in the country is only $3000 per. That really doesn’t go a long way.

  1190. Wes says:

    I said that, PO. I own it. You interpreted it in a way I didn’t even imply. That’s on you.

  1191. VictrC says:

    I call BS

    I just read the bill and its provisions. The link is below, I suggest reading it.

    There are plenty of protections in there, such as limiting exec compensation, buybacks (it is actually a strong provision), the retention provision is quite reasonable. There should be no definitive language, and then again, that only applies to how you pay back the loan anyway.

    There is a whole section in the bill on how medical industry including hospitals are treated.

    What the above is, is nothing more than Dem talking points because they want to pork up the bill, make sure corporations get stifled meaning millions will get screwed, etc.

    come on now. They are being UNREASONABLE!!

    SEC. 3103. LIMITATION ON CERTAIN EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.
    (a) In General.—The Secretary may only enter into a loan or loan agreement under section 3102(a) with an eligible business after the eligible business enters into a legally binding agreement with the Secretary that, during the 2-year period beginning March 1, 2020, and ending March 1, 2022, no officer or employee of the eligible business whose total compensation exceeded $425,000 in calendar year 2019 (other than an employee whose compensation is determined through an existing collective bargaining agreement entered into prior to March 1, 2020)—

    (1) will receive from the eligible business total compensation which exceeds, during any 12 consecutive months of such 2-year period, the total compensation received by the officer or employee from the eligible business in calendar year 2019; and

    (2) will receive from the eligible business severance pay or other benefits upon termination of employment with the eligible business which exceeds twice the maximum total compensation received by the officer or employee from the eligible business in calendar year 2019.

    (b) Total Compensation Defined.—In this section, the term “total compensation” includes salary, bonuses, awards of stock, and other financial benefits provided by an eligible business to an officer or employee of the eligible business.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3548/text#toc-id7c6eeca1a6d7442ea87187927ecabbca

  1192. Bitterlaw says:

    1199 I have been voting against my own interests as a diabetic for decades.

  1193. VictrC says:

    To wit, any “bailout” money given to a corporation must be secured by Section C and The US government can get a chance to benefit from stock price increases of the company as stated below:

    (1) IN GENERAL.—To the extent feasible and practicable, the Secretary shall ensure that the Federal Government is compensated for the risk assumed in making loans and loan guarantees under this section.

    (2) GOVERNMENT PARTICIPATION IN GAINS.—If an eligible business receives a loan or loan guarantee from the Federal Government under this section, the Secretary is authorized to enter into contracts under which the Federal Government, contingent on the financial success of the eligible business, would participate in the gains of the eligible business or its security holders through the use of such instruments as warrants, stock options, common or preferred stock, or other appropriate equity instruments.

  1194. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The World Health Organizatin has come up with an outstanding idea, which makes compassionate us of promising coronavirus drugs part of a mammoth clinical trial.

    “Scientists have suggested dozens of existing compounds for testing but WHO is focusing on what it says are the four most promising therapies: an experimental antiviral compound called remdesivir; the malaria medications chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine; a combination of two HIV drugs, lopinavir and ritonavir; and that same combination plus interferon-beta, an immune system messenger that can help cripple viruses. Some data on their use in COVID-19 patients has already emerged—the HIV combo failed in a small study in China-but WHO believes a large trial with a greater variety of patients is warranted.
    Enrolling subjects in SOLIDARITY will be easy. When a person with a confirmed case of COVID-19 is deemed eligible, the physician can enter the patient’s data into a WHO website, including any underlying condition that could change the course of the disease, such as diabetes or HIV infection. The participant has to sign an informed consent form that is scanned and sent to WHO electronically. After the physician states which drugs are available at his or her hospital, the website will randomize the patient to one of the drugs available or to the local standard care for COVID-19.”

    There probably will be a treatment for coronavirus long before there is a vaccine. However, there could be a breakthough since a lot of companies are now working on vaccines. Vacines also do have to go through extensive clinical trials to see if they actually work.

  1195. Phil says:

    Joe’s briefings to the American people begin tomorrow.

    Thank God. We are saved.

  1196. Big Joe says:

    #1236, Dick-

    Are the Chinese resuming normal life? That’s the part that I’m most concerned about. Getting it under control while the population is on lock down is one thing. But what happens when normal life resumes. The virus will surely continue circulating and I’m guessing people will get infected. There’s so much uncertainty here and I think that is spooking people the most.

    Big Joe

  1197. jason says:

    I don’t think he will be fired.

    “How are you managing to not get fired?

    A: Well, that’s pretty interesting because to his [President Trump’s] credit, even though we disagree on some things, he listens. He goes his own way. He has his own style. But on substantive issues, he does listen to what I say.”

  1198. Tina says:

    Yes, Joes briefings will be worthwhile.

  1199. Proud Obamacon says:

    Well that was quick , VC. LOL

    You had some reasonable points. When I mentioned that your points were consistent with Pelosi and Schumer, you went berzerk

    As for the excerpts you posted, so execs can’t get raises for two years.. WOW LOL. And everything is at the discretion of the Mnuchin and there is plenty of vague, open ended language which would allow for mass layoffs and massive buybacks. Like I said, this is no-strings-attached bailouts and screwing the American worker. Plain and simple.

    #RESIST

  1200. VictrC says:

    I read the Fauci article and I don’t;t think he’s going to get fired for what he said. The writer obviously was trying to twist his words and the title is absurd. Again trying to sow dissection where there is none.

    He disagrees with the President on some things, lets face it, he’s a Hillary supporter, but overall doing a good job of working together across party lines are he and the President

  1201. Tina says:

    He is getting too big for his underpants.

    Moreover, every time he speaks, markets drop.

    He rambles and gets baited.

    Please exchange him for Dr. brix.

  1202. jason says:

    In Wuhan the Chinese started restoring public transportation today.

    So life does get back to normal.

    And drugs and a vaccine are being developed.

  1203. VictrC says:

    PO I’m certain the buybacks language will be added if its not in there already, I’m still reading the bill, its quite long, but honestly, I do not see this latitude that your re saying about mass layoffs and no strings attached. I’m actually finding quite stringent requirements, but I will keep reading.

  1204. Tina says:

    Fauci was not present today at the 90 minute press conference.

  1205. Country Dick Montana says:

    Never been to China so I would not even know what is considered “normal life.” I read in someplace, one of the online construction sites that they are back to work and that nearly 100% of their infrastructure projects are up and running.

    I have my own opinions, most of them wrong, about what we should be doing. A one size fits all “shut everything down” mentality is not needed and is killing us. Isolate the elderly and the people who take care of them, especially in long term care facilities would go a long way to slow down the deaths as they appear to happen in clusters. AND NYC, I fear the worst is yet to come there, but does that affect Kansas?

  1206. jason says:

    Like I said, this is no-strings-attached bailouts and screwing the American worker.”

    Translation: the money is going to where we protect the jobs instead of a temporary giveaway.

    But let the Dems play cheap politics like they always do, it will only help Trump.

  1207. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Italy requests us assistance

    eckoning ? Retweeted

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  1208. jason says:

    Fauci was not present today at the 90 minute press conference.”

    Neither was Brix.

    THey will probably be there tomorrow.

    I think Fauci has the most credibility of the experts, so I hope he stays.

    I think he will.

  1209. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not care if Dr. Fauci supported Hillary (but Tina must since she brought it up). If he has good advice and Trump listens to it, his politics are irrelevant.

  1210. Tina says:

    Normal life would not look normal to us in a wet market in Wuhan, China.

  1211. jason says:

    Deaths in Italy fell from 787 yesterday to like 651 today, it it falls again tomorrow it might be a good trend.

  1212. Big Joe says:

    #1253, Jason-

    Thanks. I’ll be interested to see if the virus makes a comeback once China resumes normal operations. I fear that if it does, we could go back to square 1. Granted, that is a worst case scenario, but one that really can’t be ruled out.

    Big Joe

  1213. Tina says:

    Fauci appears that he is bi polar.

    Plus he irambles.

    We need dr.brix in charge.

  1214. Victrc says:

    The problem, Country, is that the US is viewed through one lens and the countries in Europe another.

    Because they are unique countries they are expected to put in policies that are unique to them, meaning what happens in Italy can be different than what’s happening in Germany and no one blinks.

    But when we do something in NYC but not in Arkansas then people ask why, despite the fact that they are infinitely further apart than Italy and Germany are. That’s the uniqueness of dealing with problems here in teh USA that get overlooked

  1215. Proud Obamacon says:

    Captain Dick
    “What would you suggest in lieu of providing some thing to keep the companies that provide those jobs afloat. $1 Trillion for every adult and child in the country is only $3000 per. That really doesn’t go a long way.”

    I am not saying there’s an easy solution here, but I will tell you what we should NOT do.

    We should NOT reward bad behavior by corporations by giving them even more money to blow with no strings attached!

    We should NOT put everything at the discretion of the Sec. Treasury.

    We should NOT put vague language into the bill that allows corporations to layoff massive numbers of people

    Damn this should be easy. But hey, McConnell and Orange know never miss an opportunity to reward your donors. Sick that they would do that at a time like this.

  1216. Proud Obamacon says:

    As for what we SHOULD do. How about

    Strengthening unemployment benefits since corporations will look for any excuse to layoff people.

    Forgive/defer student loan payments. Not everyone carries student debt but this could help those that do.

    No evictions for a period of time

    I conceded that Corporations will get bailed out. So put VERY STRONG language into the bill that prevents them from using bailout money to line their pockets, buy back stock, etc.

    Basically the R senate bill helps corporations over families. It’s as simple as that.

  1217. jason says:

    Dems are scum….they won’t behave like adults. They will sacrifice any number of people if they think it will damage Trump.

    McConnell blasts Dems for blocking coronavirus relief:

    “We’ll have this cloture vote again at some point of my choosing, and hopefully some adults will show up on the other side of the room and understand the gravity of the situation…”

  1218. Tina says:

    In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need “to use good judgment.”

    “Parents should not send their kids to school if they’re sick, if you’re sick don’t go to work … avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that’s a difficult thing to do,” he said. “…You can’t isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season.” That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus

    Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/what_did_dr_fauci_have_to_say_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html#ixzz6HTPHI7ks
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  1219. jason says:

    Basically the R senate bill helps corporations over families. It’s as simple as that.”

    Zzzzzzz… Roadkill Maggot is like every other Marxist Leninist.

    He thinks the corporations that actually invest in the economy and employ people are evil.

    Keeping their jobs is what will help families.

  1220. jason says:

    Tina, this is 2020 and a different virus.

    Fauci is doing a damm good job. I don’t care what he thought or didn’t think about HINI eleven years ago.

  1221. Proud Obamacon says:

    “He thinks the corporations that actually invest in the economy and employ people are evil.

    Keeping their jobs is what will help families.”

    Then put strong language into the bill that allows workers to “keep their jobs” as you said. Why does the R bill not do that?

  1222. jason says:

    We should NOT put vague language into the bill that allows corporations to layoff massive numbers of people”

    LOL, communists really believe this garbage. They think corporations are charity organizations.

    How are corporations going to pay people if they have no revenue?

    If you can keep corporations that employ people from going under you keep jobs going in the long run, you keep the corporations paying taxes and offering products and services.

    If you just give handouts to employees, what are they going to do when the benefits run out.

    Ahh, I know, when you elect one of the socialists the benefits will never run out.

  1223. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina has changed her tune on Dr Fauci because she found out he’s a Democrat. Now its time to tar and feather him.

    I wonder what she will do when she finds out the Dr Birx is also a Democrat?

  1224. jason says:

    You can’t isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season.” That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus”

    Actually it is exactly what he saying now. He is saying the situation is different in NYC than it is in Wyoming.

  1225. Country Dick Montana says:

    1266, 1267 – It sounds like from what VC has read (I tired to, but it is tedious for an old man this time of night) that some of what you would want is in there. None of us are going to get the whole enchilada, that is just politics. There are some things that you listed with which I disagree but I see no sense in discussing those as we are unlikely to change each others’ minds.

  1226. Phil says:

    Schumer and his buds can get away with filibustering the Senate bill for a day, maybe two tops. No more than that. I don’t care how much their MSM puppets try and run interference for them.

    Massive amounts of people are losing their jobs daily (those are the reported daily numbers) and those people need the extra unemployment benefits – badly and now.

    Small businesses need that loan money to meet their expenses and stay in business – badly and now.

    The cash payments promised are delayed until the bill is passed – people need and want that money ASAP.

    The hospitals need that money now for equipment and staffing with the number of hospitalizations from the virus doubling every two days (those daily numbers are widely reported).

    Now, given all that, you want to tell me how long the Republican bill can be filibustered by Democrats?

    Go ahead, Chuck. Make my day.

  1227. Tina says:

    It’s a problem because Dr. Fauci did stupid interviews and was exposed. There will be more and more stuff about him to come.

    He is responsible here.

    A good executive would not want fauci saying one thing in front of cameras and another thing behind his back.

    The fraud is exposed.

  1228. Tina says:

    Laura ingraham just posted about Fauci,

    He will be destroyed for his arrogance.

  1229. Proud Obamacon says:

    Then no benefits. If you took your tax cut and put it mostly into buy backs and now you broken, well no bailout for you. The workers get screwed so that’s why we need a strong unemployment benefits program.

    I’m ok with that.

  1230. jason says:

    Birx and Fauci want to do the right thing. So does Trump and Pence. So does Cuomo.

    I give Democrats that see a bigger picture here credit.

    Schumer and Pelosi, on the other hand, want to play the same partisan politics they have been playing for decades, to them it is just another opportunity. Unhappy their little impeachment coup failed, they see this as their new hope.

    Despicable.

  1231. Phil says:

    Filibuster away, Chuck.

    Let’s see who gets blamed for the delay.

  1232. Phil says:

    Then no benefits.

    Go for it, Chuck.

    Let’s see how that flies.

  1233. jason says:

    Not everyone used the tax cut for buybacks.

    The tax cuts worked.

    “Strong unemployment benefits program” is just Marxist code for another entitlement someone else has to pay for.

    I would favor unemployment insurance, which is different.

  1234. Tgca says:

    I caution the Dems to learn from the backlash after 9/11 when they tried to delay a bill for more security personnel with calls for union hiring only requirements. All POTUS needs to do is hold a press conference and threaten to make executive decision to divert funds because Dems are trying to load a bill with pork while folks are suffering.

  1235. jason says:

    Fauci is the most credible person Trump has.

    If he lost Fauci, HE would lose a lot of credibility.

    Trump should tell Laura Ingraham to GFH.

    Ingraham wants to emulate Pelosi and Schumer and play politics.

  1236. Phil says:

    Unemployment insurance amounts won’t be increased until there is a signed bill.

    Let’s see who gets blamed. My money is on the party filibustering the bill.

    …but yeah, roll the dice, Chuckie. You have my blessing.

  1237. Tina says:

    They are saying that Piglosi blew the bill70.

    She just returned to congress today from her vacation.

  1238. jason says:

    McConnell should just keep bringing bills to a vote.

    Let the Dems stand in the way.

    Will make great ads for the fall campaign.

  1239. Tina says:

    Reporter:
    Have you thought about calling Presidents Obama & Bush for help?

    Trump:
    “if you look at the botched Swine Flu & Katrina… If I thought I would learn something or if I thought it would have save just ONE life, I would make the call in 10 minutes”

  1240. Victrc says:

    First of all Fauci should NOT be fired, at all. He can disagree with some of the President’s desires or recommendations, and thats a GOOD thing. We don’t want an echo chamber when our country is on the line. They both can put politics aside, and have. They should continue.

    Next, responding to PO

    Evictions have already been held up for a period of 90 days, and I expect that to go on for up to 6 months (which also hurts the people who owns the properties because they are getting no income!)
    Student loan payments have already been delayed. There is no student loan payment for 90 days minimum. IN NO CIRCUMSTANCE should they be forgiven. Hell no. I’m still paying mine if you can believe it, and those who didn’t plan correctly shouldn’t get a free ride when others paid them off (my wife for instance).
    Corporations have to meet a lot of standards, and there is already language in there about executive pay, stock grants, etc. Thjey will add buy back provisions, but I can tell you that NO COMPANY is going to take that money and buy back stock. They are trying to stay in business and keep things working. They don’t want to get rid of workers, they want to make product!!

  1241. VictrC says:

    PO, lastly unemployment benefits have already been extended 50% to 39 weeks. I suspect within the next two months it will go to 52 weeks if the crisis persists.

    But, with that said, ive read the legislation and its MASSIVE, and I mean a MASSIVE, help to small businesses.

    Any small business that can prove it has employees can borrow up to 4 months of operating costs with no real other criteria. To give an idea of how that will help I look at my father in laws business, restaurants. He laid off 100 people Friday because he can’t afford them with no business. If this bill passed he would rehire them tomorrow, literally tomorrow. That’s 100 jobs. 100 families who have work and the ability to survive the storm for the next FOUR months.

    To hell with politics, pass this bill. It absolutely helps the American worker. Stop with this whole corporations are bad meme.

  1242. Tina says:

    Quit with the bail out corporate gopists (Bush Rino wing)

    Josh Hawley
    @HawleyMO
    ·
    1h
    It’s time for the Senate to get this done. People are hurting. And I want to be clear: any relief for big corporations must limit executive compensation, ban stock buybacks, & require companies to pay back loans w/ interest. Or I’m not voting for it.

  1243. Phil says:

    Yep. Hold another vote tomorrow. It fails. Another vote Tuesday. It fails. Another Wednesday. Let it fail. Each of these votes happening with a news cycle full of daily rising unemployment, daily rising numbers of infections and deaths, more daily shut downs of business.

    Yes, Chuck. Keep filibustering.

    The price won’t be just the ads that write themselves for the fall. It will be the fact that It will be making Trump look like the guy who is trying to get badly things done. Makes him look like the adult. Believe me, that in itself is the Democrat’s worst nightmare.

    Filibuster away.

    Yes, Chuck. Filibuster away. Bad for the country….but eve

  1244. Phil says:

    Bad for the country, but more importantly for Democrats – bad politics. That’s something Democrats can understand.

  1245. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry VC, but I was around in 2008/9 and saw how large corporations behaved after getting bailed out. I saw how corporations put MASSIVE amounts into buy bac