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Biden Leads Trump By 3% in WI

Today we received a new poll from Marquette Law School that shows Joe Biden with a small lead over Donald Trump in a state Trump won four years ago, the state of Wisconsin.

PRESIDENT – WISCONSIN (Marquette)
Joe Biden (D) 48%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 45%

Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%
Bernie Sanders (D) 45%

This poll was done March 24-29 among 813 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 2:06 pm
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954 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 3% in WI”

  1. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1st

  2. jason says:

    Trump right again?

    “The coronavirus may not be as deadly as original estimates predicted, according to a new study published on Monday.

    The study, published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal, says previous estimates were too high because they were based on the case fatality rate (CFR) and didn’t account for undiagnosed cases.

    The study estimates that the mortality rate of the coronavirus is actually .66 percent.

    Earlier this month, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated that the mortality rate of the coronavirus was about 2 percent. “If you look at the cases that have come to the attention of the medical authorities in China, and you just do the math, the math is about 2%.” The World Health Organization estimated a 3.4 percent mortality rate. President Trump endured a lot of criticism for saying that he had a “hunch” that the WHO’s estimate was too high.

    “Well, I think the 3.4 percent is really a false number. Now, and this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. Because a lot people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor,” Trump said. “I think that that number is very high. I think the number, personally, I would say the number is way under 1 percent.”

  3. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Georgia Senate Primary:
    Collins (R) 34%
    Lieberman (D) 18%
    Loeffler (R) 14%
    Warnock (D) 13%
    Tarver (D) 5%
    @bgconnectGOP/@CollinsforGA

    Since the poll was done by one of the candidates there may be a bias, but still the low Loeffler numbers stand out.

  4. jason says:

    It won’t change the death totals we are talking about, but it does mean we will be building herd immunity faster than predicted.

  5. Phil says:

    Wow, Loeffler numbers are sad. I thought she was supposed to be strong in the Atlanta suburbs.

  6. Dylan says:

    Loeffler is just not that impressive. When you add to that the fact that she arguably sold stock (insider trading) prior to Corona virus bottom falling out, and her substandard interview with Tucker Carlson defending herself, she is toast city.

  7. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    @ericcrawford
    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has begin his daily news briefing and updates the numbers in the state:

    83,712 positives tests
    12,226 currently hospitalized (+1,297)
    3,022 in ICU 9+312)
    6,142 discharged (+1,167)
    1,941 deaths overall (+391 since yesterday)

  8. Phil says:

    Yeah, I know the governor was trying to shore up things in the suburbs which have really been shaky, but it looks like her appointment isn’t working out.

  9. jason says:

    The deadenders that want to give the seat away to a liberal Dem will be sure Loeffler is “Rinoed”.

    I am sure NYC is dying for a Mikey Maneuver there.

    And of course, there was no “insider trading”, that is a crock of crap, she was not involved in any of the trades which in any case amount to an infinitesimal amount of her wealth.

  10. jason says:

    but it looks like her appointment isn’t working out.”

    The deadenders will make sure of that.

  11. Phil says:

    I had high hopes for her. Collins is iffy in the GE. Weak around Atlanta.

  12. jason says:

    So yesterday we saw a 25% increase in new cases yesterday to 24742.

    If we had the same rate of increase today it would mean 31000 new cases today.

    Let’s hope it is under that to mess with Big Joe’s model.

    No numbers yet from MI, IL, and MA. We should have a better idea of today’s numbers after those come in.

    And btw, I don’t know why Cuomo would quote those numbers, but 1941 deaths would mean + 227 from yesterday, not 391, unless they are using a different 24 hour clock.

  13. jason says:

    Phil, Loeffler is a great candidate but is not “conservative” enough for the deadenders. She would only vote in their interest 99% of the time instead of a 100%.

    So they will put the seat at risk so a liberal Dem can win and vote their interests 0% of the time.

    Send a message!

  14. Phil says:

    I’m about to just take a break from looking at the numbers until the end of the weekend. They won’t be good probably and they fluctuate so much day to day. Perhaps by Monday we can pick up a trend.

    As far as what can be done I’m here to tell you here in TX people are staying home – formal shelter in place alert or not. I had some bank business to conduct and called the bank. Walk in lobby is not open.

    Red states taking all this as serious as blue. Don’t Let anyone try and tell you different.

  15. PresidentPaul! says:

    Deadenders support Joe because Joe died months ago.

  16. Phil says:

    Preliminary discussions among congressional Democrats to look into the initial response of the Trump Administration to the corona virus.

    No, I’m not kidding.

    This will backfire terribly. They are nuts.

  17. Phil says:

    They want to set up a commission. I kid you not.

  18. jason says:

    Will DeBlasio be on the commission? Cuomo?

    Cuomo on March 2:

    “In this situation, the facts defeat fear, because the reality is reassuring. It is deep-breath time.”

    Discussing the fatality rate, he said, “1.4 percent, that’s extrapolating from China and other countries. 80 percent, it’ll resolve on their own. The woman who has now tested positive, she’s at home, she’s not even in a hospital, so the perspective here is important. And the facts, once you know the facts, once you know the reality, it is reassuring, and we should relax, because that’s what’s dictated by the reality of the situation. I get the emotion, I understand; I understand the anxiety. I’m a native-born New Yorker, we live with anxiety. But the facts don’t back it up here. . . . What happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries”

  19. jason says:

    DeBlasio March 2:

    “De Blasio concurred. “We have a lot of information now, information that is actually showing us things that should give us more reason to stay calm and go about our lives. . . . This is not, so far, something that you get through casual contact. There has to be some prolonged exposure. And I think it’s really important to get that information out to all New Yorkers.”

    He also declared on Twitter, “I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives and get out on the town despite Coronavirus.”

  20. jason says:

    March 4

    NYC Health Commissioner Bardot tells reporters, “There’s no indication that being in a car, being in the subways with someone who’s potentially sick is a risk factor, because, again, it goes back to the issue of casual contact.”

    Will she be on the commission?

  21. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179?mod=hp_lead_pos2

    May not be able to trust the numbers from anywhere. Of course there was an article last week that said that Italy was counting as Covid-19 deaths lot of people who died of something else.

  22. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/gov-wolf-orders-all-of-pennsylvania-to-stay-at-home/

    PA Governor Wolf orders all of us to stay at home.

    “Some of you might think that a month is too long to go without seeing your friends and family,” Wolf said during a virtual press conference. “But if we don’t do everything we can to slow the spread of covid-19, there are some people who you will never see again.”

    Me thinks a lot of these governors, both Dem and Rep are enjoying these new found “powers.” I am assuming that all of the essential businesses get to stay open. We are voluntarily complying with requests right now in the name of the greater good, but at some point people will say that they have had enough.

  23. dblaikie says:

    Well loony Nevada Gov. has reversed his stand. The even more loony Michigan Gov. has done the same. And now in the NY Times (Slimes) is this:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html

    Hydroxychloroquine might not be the silver bullet for this virus. But the truth is starting to pile up that it is an effective medicine that can greatly mitigate and help.

  24. jason says:

    Wolf is a laughingstock.

    Nobody really cares what he says, he has had to reverse himself so many times and change his stories so many times that he no longer has any credibility.

  25. NYCmike says:

    Loeffler seems to have done this to herself, no “Mikey Maneuver” needed. To be honest, I applaud her financial advisers who were selling stock when they did. I wished I had sold everything, like I had mentioned I was thinking about to a friend.

    Looks like the best thing for the party would be for her to bow out, have Collins avoid a nasty primary, and make sure she pushes all of her supporters to vote for the Republican candidate in the general election.

  26. Big Joe says:

    #12, Jason-

    “Let’s hope it is under that to mess with Big Joe’s model.”

    It’s not my model, man. 😀 😀
    In fact, I’m hardly impressed with how far it swung based on one day’s data.

    Big Joe

  27. Wobbles says:

    The NYT got that information from some cryptocurrency lawyer on Long Island, didn’t you read my post?

  28. jason says:

    Just kidding Big Joe, I know it’s not your model.

  29. jason says:

    Looks like the best thing for the party would be for her to bow out, have Collins avoid a nasty primary, and make sure she pushes all of her supporters to vote for the Republican candidate in the general election.”

    LOL

    Nah, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    You never wanted the deadenders to “bow out”, GFY.

    Maybe Collins, who is dumber than a door knob, should bow out and let the sitting senator who was appointed by the sitting Republican governor?

  30. jason says:

    have Collins avoid a nasty primary”

    Wow, what a novel idea!

    But of course, you always loved “nasty primaries” didn’t you. You never suggested a deadender “bow out”.

    If you had thought of this brilliant idea before, maybe we could have saved some important senate seats.

  31. jason says:

    Hey, wes, did you see Mikey Maneuver man is now “against nasty primaries”?

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  32. NYCmike says:

    I posted an interview with Mayor Rudy and a Dr Zelensky from Monroe, NY a couple of days ago.

    His treatment was hydrochlorquine, heavy dose of zinc, and azithromyacine (excuse the spelling).

    Supposedly very successful.

    Has anyone heard anything else about that?

  33. dblaikie says:

    Don’t want to get into the middle of this argument about the Georgia Senate seat but I do want to remind folks of one thing. Collins was the choice of Trump. For some reason Loeffler was the choice of the Gov. Most likely he made that choice for all the reasons listed here.

    My innocent question is would things have been better off, knowing Collins wanted the Seat and that he was passionate defender of Trump during Impeachment, if Gov. had just appointed Collins to the seat?

    Frankly I have been impressed with the new Senator. But I believe the Gov. of Georgia new the risk of a tough primary with her appointment. Perhaps he did her a disservice.

  34. NYCmike says:

    I had no issue with Loeffler.

    I support primaries.

    Collins wanted to run, and has a base of support.

    If Loeffler hadn’t made this self-inflicted error, and was supported by an overwhelming majority of Republicans, I would have wanted Collins to step aside. BUT, that wasn’t the case, and now it is totally the opposite.

  35. dblaikie says:

    I hope that these models are more accurate than the models that have been produced by brilliant minds concerning climate change.

  36. NYCmike says:

    “Hey, wes, did you see Mikey Maneuver man is now “against nasty primaries”?”

    -That’s not true.

    I am against a damaged candidate staying in when it clearly looks like a huge error in judgment was made, and there isn’t enough time to fix it.

    At this point, BEFORE the primary has even started, she can bow out, consolidate support, and help her party.

  37. Big Joe says:

    Here’s an important tidbit about the upcoming GA Senate special election that is very very important.

    Nov 3, 2020 is Election day of course. But it is only Jungle Primary day for that special election. If no candidate gets a majority, the top two advance to the run-off on 1/5/2021.

    This is a very difficult race for Democrats. A Democrat would have to win a MAJORITY in a red state. A plurality will not cut it. Even if a Democrat wins the plurality, there’s virtually no chance of winning the run-off on 1/5/2021. History suggests Dem votes will not show up for a run-off.

    For those thinking of Dem chances at an outright victory in Nov, well the only way for that to happen is if the D vote coalesces around one candidate. Then that candidate still needs to get to 50%. Currently Lieberman (yes, son of Joe) and Rev. Warnock enjoy decent support so the D vote looks to split.

    D’s can backdoor their way to the win by claiming the top two slots though. There is precedence for this in local races here. However for that to happen, D’s would need 2 candidates evenly splitting the D vote and there would need to be at least 3 R candidates with the 3rd probably approaching high single digits at least. Very unlikely.

    Big Joe

  38. jason says:

    I am against a damaged candidate staying in”

    You mean like all the other moronic and damaged candidates you supported in the past like COD, Akin, Buck, Angle, Mourdock, Mo Brooks and so many others?

    It never bothered you that they “stayed in”.

    And of course, Loeffler didn’t make any huge error in judgment, that is deadender talk, she was not even aware of the transactions.

    Where is the “clear huge error in judgment” exactly?

    The one Tucker Carlson fabricated?

  39. jason says:

    ” However for that to happen, D’s would need 2 candidates evenly splitting the D vote and there would need to be at least 3 R candidates with the 3rd probably approaching high single digits at least. ”

    Hey look, if that is possible, Mr. Mikey Maneuver will support it.

  40. jason says:

    My innocent question is would things have been better off, knowing Collins wanted the Seat and that he was passionate defender of Trump during Impeachment, if Gov. had just appointed Collins to the seat? ”

    No. First, it is the Governor who appoints senators, not the President.

    Second, Collins is a weak candidate.

    Loeffler is a millionaire who could fund her own campaign.

    It was Collins who decided to screw everything up.

    Let’s assign blame on who deserves it. Collins.

  41. jason says:

    knowing Collins wanted the Seat”

    Hello?

    Really, that is the new criteria for appointing a Senator?

    Kemp went with who he thought was the best choice. It wasn’t Collins.

    But finally maybe the deadenders get to drink some of their own medicine.

  42. Tina says:

    Loedfler is being hit for insider trading

  43. Tina says:

    Brian Tyler Cohen
    @briantylercohen
    · 17h
    BREAKING: Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) has reported *more* stock sales amid insider allegation accusations. Among that spate of sales, though, was an interesting stock purchase– in a company that makes COVID-19 protective garments.
    https://ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/loeffler-reports-more-stock-sales-amid-insider-trading-allegations/YFPDT3pChO873nuzNKa44K/

  44. Tina says:

    Coronavirus presser to start really soon.

  45. dblaikie says:

    Well Jason we have your answer. Kemp didn’t make a mistake. Like I say, she has done a good job. But did Kemp set her up for a fall? The jury is out, at least for me.

  46. jason says:

    Among that spate of sales, though, was an interesting stock purchase– in a company that makes COVID-19 protective garments.”

    Horrors.

    I actually thought of that myself, without any “inside information”.

    Really ridiculous.

  47. Tina says:

    Disclose.tv ?
    @disclosetv
    · 6h
    BREAKING – Japanese Vice PM says #WHO should be renamed “Chinese Health Organization.”

    Taro Aso slammed the WHO for reciting CCP talking points with regards to #COVID19.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-746eJGyUI

  48. jason says:

    But did Kemp set her up for a fall?”

    No, he appointed who he thought was the best candidate.

    The deadenders are setting her up for a fall.

    Look at Tina’s post.

    Do you really see a problem with anyone buying stock in companies that make medical supplies in advance of a medical crisis?

    Not to mention, she didn’t make the purchase, the people in charge of her portfolio did.

    The idea that a senator worth 500 million is taking off time from the impeachment proceedings to call her broker to buy stock in a mask company is something only a moron like Tucker Carlson could think up.

  49. jason says:

    Loedfler is being hit for insider trading”

    Fake news.

  50. Tina says:

    It’s the timing.

    She is an idiot.

    She set herself up for a fall.

  51. Tina says:

    And cannot get around with the Doj now looking into it,

    A doj that will likely charge an R over a Drat.

    Given the two tier system of justice that Republicrsts put up,with

  52. NYCmike says:

    “You mean like all the other moronic and damaged candidates you supported in the past like COD, Akin, Buck, Angle, Mourdock, Mo Brooks and so many others?”

    -Other than Mo Brooks, all of the others won the primary.

    Are you against primaries?

    In this case, due to Loefflers own actions (or her financial advisors), the primary looks like a lost cause for her.

    By the way, has she ever proven that she can win an elected office?

  53. jason says:

    “This is a ridiculous & baseless attack. I don’t make investment decisions for my portfolio. Investment decisions are made by multiple third-party advisors without my or my husband’s knowledge or involvement.”

    So where is the problem exactly.

    Why is she an “idiot”.

    The only idiots are those who should be defending the right of anyone, including rich people and senators, to buy and sell stock like everyone else, instead of promoting the MSM narrative because supposedly Loeffler is not 100% pure litmus tested conservative.

    Any conservative that attacks Loeffler for something she never was even involved in should be ashamed.

    Starting with Tina.

    “Loedfler is being hit for insider trading”

    BS.

  54. NYCmike says:

    “The deadenders are setting her up for a fall.”

    -Is there a poll out there which says the majority of Republicans want her to remain Senator?

    How are we defining “deadenders” these days?

    25% of the Republicans? 40%?

    OVER 50%?

  55. jason says:

    -Other than Mo Brooks, all of the others won the primary.”

    And lost the election to a liberal Dem.

    The Mikey Maneuver worked perfectly.

    “Are you against primaries?”

    LOL

    This is from someone who just said “Loeffler should bow out and avoid a nasty primary”?

    Are you against primaries?

  56. jason says:

    Is there a poll out there which says the majority of Republicans want her to remain Senator?”

    Is there a poll showing a majority of Republicans want dumber than a doornail Collins?

    The point is, “conservatives” and “Republicans” have adopted the MSM narrative against Loeffler, which they know is BS, because it helps the deadender.

    As usual, this kind of thinking will backfire.

  57. Tina says:

    China Biden said that it took him 17 minutes to realize he was not looking at the camera during his Sheot tube presentation.

  58. jason says:

    We have seen this movie before.

    The deadenders never learn the lesson.

  59. Tina says:

    Presser will be underway.

  60. Tina says:

    Barr Stool is present today.

  61. Tina says:

    The Japanese vice pm must be racist.

    Jebot

  62. Victrc says:

    Biden offered to call Trump to give him advice on how to handle the pandemic.

    You can’t make this crap up. Seriously, What on earth can he offer? Advice on what Trump has already done? Advice on how to be slow to it like he was with Swine Flu?

  63. NYCmike says:

    I have applauded the financial reps for being market savvy.

    The media is savaging her.

    Don’t blame others for actions that make her look bad.

    Take some responsibility for once.

  64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Good news has become scarce of late as the novel coronavirus wreaks havoc on the health and lifestyle of Americans nationwide.

    At least, that was until the virus came into contact with Bill Kelly, a 95-year-old World War II veteran who declared a full recovery from COVID-19 Monday after being diagnosed two weeks earlier.
    One of the first Navy Seabees to ship out to the South Pacific, Kelly stormed the beaches of Guam alongside Marines during the 1944 amphibious assault of the island and would spend three years in the South Pacific before returning home.
    “My grandpa is tough, and he has a faith of steel,” Kelly’s granddaughter, Rose Etherington,..”

  65. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    Saw that story!

    Don’t leave out his quote ““In his words, ‘I survived the foxholes of Guam, I can get through this [coronavirus] bull—-,’””.

    One tough b*st*rd!

  66. John says:

    Absolutely analysis of the virus…
    1) higher amount cases that we know
    2) stop predicting this…models are inconsistent
    3) outliers are might be closer to the truth…(perhaps a much better outcome)
    4) no there is no magic bullet…let’s be beat this together
    https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/490541-coronavirus-its-time-to-get-real-about-the-misleading-data

  67. jason says:

    Didn’t watch the presser.

    Anything interesting?

  68. jason says:

    Absolutely analysis of the virus…
    1) higher amount cases that we know
    Zzzzzz… everyone knows that there are more cases than diagnosed
    2) stop predicting this…models are inconsistent
    zzzzzzz…. glad you have better things to do…
    3) outliers are might be closer to the truth…
    (perhaps a much better outcome)
    Is that a prediction?
    4) no there is no magic bullet…let’s be beat this together
    Inspiring….zzzzzzzzzz.

  69. jason says:

    I have applauded the financial reps for being market savvy.

    The media is savaging her.

    Don’t blame others for actions that make her look bad.

    Take some responsibility for once.”

    You really are a moron.

    So if her advisors who control her investments and have a fiduciary responsibility to protect her assets made decisions she was not involved in, exactly what kind of responsibility to you suggest she take.

    Should she take responsibility for having good advisors?

  70. John says:

    69.
    Congrats. You got it. This is how the MSM gets it. This is from the leading MSM reporters…

  71. jason says:

    Maybe Loeffler can issue a statement so NYC will be happy.

    “I am sorry that the financial advisors that control my portfolio without my involvement sold and bought stocks on my behalf representing 0.4% of my assets.”

    Supporting this kind of witch hunt will lead to absurd ideas like this:

    “For instance, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) introduced wide-ranging anti-corruption legislation in 2018 that would have banned lawmakers from owning individual stocks altogether.”

  72. jason says:

    Congrats. You got it. This is how the MSM gets it. This is from the leading MSM reporters…”

    You would know.

  73. jason says:

    Tapper gets burned by Newsome when trying to get him to complain about Trump:

    “Calif. Gov. @GavinNewsom: “Let me just be candid with you. I’d be lying to you to say that [Trump] hasn’t been responsive to our needs. He has. And so, as a question, as a sort of an offer of objectivity, I have to acknowledge that publicly.”

    Ouch.

  74. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    Has anyone seen Wormtongue or Messy near the Port of Los Angeles? This clown is in the running to receive the Moron of the Year Award? He tried to ram the USS Comfort, a hospital ship, with a train!! I kid you not!

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3830756/posts

  75. Tina says:

    Fauci loves the vaccine approach.

    $$$

  76. jason says:

    Any good news out of the presser?

  77. jason says:

    Sheeple, I see that article was written by Brown Deer….

    Is there anything by White Rabbit?

  78. jason says:

    “Moreno has been charged with one count of train wrecking”

    Is this more serious than home wrecking?

  79. Wobbles says:

    If Trump hadn’t sent the ship to LA none of this would have happened.

  80. ssq says:

    This is an outrage.

    All the train had to do was go through another 250 yards of buildings and it would have gone right through the ship.

    Thank God for buildings.

  81. NYCmike says:

    “Maybe Loeffler can issue a statement so NYC will be happy.”

    -jason, as usual, missed some comments…..the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    NYCmike says:
    April 1, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    “I had no issue with Loeffler.”

    “If Loeffler hadn’t made this self-inflicted error, and was supported by an overwhelming majority of Republicans, I would have wanted Collins to step aside. BUT, that wasn’t the case, and now it is totally the opposite.”

  82. jason says:

    505 deaths in NY, 50% of the day’s total for the US.

    Increase in deaths from yesterday +134 (pretty much all in NY)

    But 500 fewer cases in NY and only about 1500 more cases (6% increase) nationwide.

    Just like yesterday did not a trend make, neither does today.

    But the new case numbers in NY seems to be flattening. Dr. Fauci said yesterday the death curve will lag the case curve.

    Some bright spots:

    Louisiana had 20 fewer deaths than yesterday.

    30 states had less than 5 deaths. 13 had 1 and 6 had none.

    Texas is the second most populous state and had 4 deaths.

  83. jason says:

    Ah yes…

    “I had no issue with Loeffler.”(unless a deadender runs against her)

    This sounds like “I hate tariffs” (unless Trump implements them)

  84. jason says:

    “If Loeffler hadn’t made this self-inflicted error, ”

    If she was not involved in the transactions and was only informed of them 3 weeks later, still waiting to know what the “self-inflicted error” was exactly.

    Being wealthy? Owning stocks? Letting financial advisors handle her transactions? Having financial advisors looking after her interests? Reporting the transactions as legally required?

  85. Phil says:

    More great news out of China. Only 36 more cases over the last 24 hours.

    The Chinese government continues to do an incredible job.

  86. Cash Cow TM says:

    CORONAVIRUS
    I don’t like this virus from Wuhan,
    We have to beat it, if we can.
    It’s in the air, it’s on our hands,
    Spreading fast through many lands.

    Spreading like crazy among anxious us,
    Its impact—quite bad and HU-MON-GOUS.
    From hell itself it was thus hurled,
    Bringing woe & ruin upon the world.

    The virus steals paychecks just like a thief,
    The unemployed line up, look for relief.
    Desperately searching theories and hope,
    Was this all created by firms making soap?

    Media hates Trump acting presidential,
    As Don tells us daily what is essential.
    And we are enlightened by Fauci and Birx,
    But still have to endure Orange Don’s verbal quirks.

    Biden is safe somewhere in a bunker,
    His POTUS campaign has become a real clunker.
    Haters hope Trump gets a big virus dose,
    Others hope it grabs Pelosi, I sadly suppose.

    Such thinking on both sides is all very wrong,
    In times like these can’t we all get along?
    End home confinement and meet casual or formal,
    Let’s whip this virus and return earth to normal.

    We’re in this together—like it or not,
    Quit calling names, ‘kettle’ and ‘pot’.
    Let’s whip the virus, in the air throw our hats,
    And for God’s sake stop eating disease carrying bats.

  87. Country Dick Montana says:

    I posted these estimates this morning (1141 @ 9:42 AM)

    “215220 cases total (26691 new) and 5120 deaths (1067 new.”

    Looks like all of the data is in early tonight and we had 26473 new cases and 1049 new deaths. Its pretty close

    If my model holds then tomorrow will be 28181 new cases and 1158 new deaths.

    As mentioned above, NY had 48% of the new deaths and the increase for the rest of the country was only 5 more than yesterday.

  88. Tina says:

    Can China explain what happened to the three chinense journalists that reported at the onset of the coronavirus there?

    Are they lamp shades?

  89. Phil says:

    No, Tina. Those journalists are just on assignment.

    Not to worry.

  90. mRviTO says:

    Who cares? They were promoting racism.

  91. jason says:

    Good advice from Malaysia

    “Don’t Nag Your Husband During Lockdown, Malaysia’s Government Advises Women”

  92. VictrC says:

    Ugh, did you read all the celeb crushes at the bottom, how “truthful” Cuomo is, how awful Trump has been for three years. How its nice to see leadership.

    Guess it was leadership when just three weeks ago Cuomo told NYC there was no shelter in place “ “That is not going to happen, shelter in place, for New York City,” Cuomo said on The Daily podcast by The New York Times. “For any city or county to take an emergency action, the state has to approve it. And I wouldn’t approve shelter in place.”

    What about his early comments in March downplaying the virus. Of course, when you search the internet for them, google et al remove the ability to find them, and instead it comes up with articles on what Trump has done wrong. Don’t get me started!!!

  93. Bitterlaw says:

    Governor Wolf has the power to grant waivers to non-essential businesses. He is picking winners and losers. If you own a business that sells plants and garden supplies, you are screwed. If you are Home Depot, you are essential because people need to be able to fix things and obtain supplies. But wait! They are also allowed to keep their garden department open. Another example – florists are closed BUT supermarkets can sell flowers.

  94. jason says:

    Well, if you look at it that way, you can buy just about anything at WalMart that you could buy at closed retail stores.

    For the next virus, every store better have food for sale, then you won’t get closed down.

    The Peter Principle really is making itself relevant when it comes to Wolf.

  95. jason says:

    There are so many businesses that can practice social distancing that should be open.

    You can’t go see an empty house with a real estate agent and stay 6 ft away while touring the house?

    Wolf shut the whole real estate business down when sensible guidelines could have kept it open.

  96. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Chinese government is still engaged in a blatant cover up concerning the extent of the coronavirus in China. A quote from a recent news account:

    “Chinese Doctor Disappears after Blowing the Whistle on Coronavirus Threat
    Wuhan doctor Ai Fen, who expressed early concerns about the coronavirus to the media, has disappeared and is believed detained by Chinese authorities.
    Fen, the head of emergency at Wuhan Central Hospital, was given a warning after she disseminated information about the coronavirus to several other doctors. She recounted the reprimand in an essay titled, “The one who supplied the whistle,” which was published in China’s People (Renwu) magazine. The article has since been removed.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coronavirus-china-doctor-disappears-warned-about-covid-19-threat/

    From January 2020:

    “Dr Li Wenliang, who was hailed a hero for raising the alarm about the coronavirus in the early days of the outbreak, has died of the infection.
    Dr Li, 34, tried to send a message to fellow medics about the outbreak at the end of December. Three days later police paid him a visit and told him to stop. He returned to work and caught the virus from a patient. He had been in hospital for at least three weeks.
    * * * *
    Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of “making false comments” that had “severely disturbed the social order”.
    “We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice – is that understood?” Underneath in Dr Li’s handwriting is written: “Yes, I do.”
    He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for “spreading rumours”.
    At the end of January, Dr Li published a copy of the letter on Weibo and explained what had happened. In the meantime, local authorities had apologised to him but that apology came too late.”

  97. hugh says:

    6.6M new unemployment claims not counting those that cannot get through to apply. Good job America. Some commonsense in the recommendations to slow the spread would have been very helpful. Now the really smart doctors are complaining the Chinese lied to them. Really, how do these nerds hold a job? China lies just to lie. They always have and anyone with a lick of sense knows it. To let the infectious disease doctors make all the calls is crazy. Perhaps we would do better with some diversity. Add a psychiatrist who deals with high risk suicide cases, maybe a heart specialist and a couple bankruptcy experts. This is monumental failure. I will still vote for trump because he is the only hope to get the recovery going if this ever stops. Quit the fearmongering before we create a worldwide depression which will result in millions and millions of death for healthy people. ugh

  98. Pitchaboy says:

    1. Worldwide recession already done and depression could follow.
    2. If the CDC discounted China’s advice; we would have required stringent measures including aggressive isolation, contact tracing, monitoring of contacts with cell phones, social distancing and ban on gatherings on Jan 21 when the first case popped up here. If you have Cuomo refusing stay at home orders on March 3 when N.Y. was already under the gun and we have Hugh freaking out about the economy despite people dropping like flies, does any one believe the states would have complied with these recommendations. They would have said Trump is trying to divert attention from impeachment.

  99. jason says:

    I agree. We should have isolated the most vulnerable, cut international travel from hotspots, practiced social distancing and the other guidelines, and not shut down the economy.

    The MSM dictated panicked the whole country and Trump went along against his better judgment.

    But it is too late now. We are already into the 4th day of the 2 week and the 4th day of the 30 days of the shutdown, now we have to ride it through.

    But May 1st we will have hundreds of thousands of recovered people who will be immune and can be the first to restart the economy.

  100. Pitchaboy says:

    Those measures would work in January like South Korea. There would have been little appetite here with less than 2 or 3 cases. By March, it was too late in an exponentially growing pandemic. You had to shut down points of contact: schools, workplace, restaurants and bars and travel. Unless, we had the stomach for a high number of dead. I am watching Sweden with great interest. They have put the decision on their citizens and their mortality numbers will be worth watching

  101. jason says:

    Good news.

    Dr. Fauci bobbleheads will be available soon.

  102. Pitchaboy says:

    What I am not seeing is widespread antibody testing. Dr. Birx recommended large employers set up their own ELISA tests to test their workforce. I think the Feds should send these kits to them and get it done. It will give us a true read on the mortality and also tell us who can get back to work.

  103. jason says:

    A lot of these 6.6 million jobs will come back when the economy reopens. Many won’t, of course, but this is not a net loss.

  104. jason says:

    Right, Pitch, if it is true that many people recovered without even knowing they were infected, we really want to send these people back to work.

  105. jason says:

    In another 3 weeks we should have at least 50k recovered people in NYC alone.

  106. jason says:

    In Russia, you are limited to killing one person by COVID-19. Two or more is a no-no.

    “A Kremlin spokesman said President Vladimir Putin shook hands recently with a doctor who later tested positive. On Wednesday, he signed a new law imposing a seven-year prison sentence for those who violate quarantine rules and whose actions cause two deaths or more.”

  107. Country Dick Montana says:

    Well the markets seem to be taking the unemployment numbers all in stride.

  108. Country Dick Montana says:

    105 – Those measures would work in January like South Korea. There would have been little appetite here with less than 2 or 3 cases.

    You are correct on that point. I am not sure how you lock down a free society on the basis of “what if.” If that were the case we would be under permanent lock down. Even with the death totals, I think you are going to see some chaffing at this in a few weeks.

  109. Paul says:

    I want to see large scale antibody testing. There is a county in Colorado where one of the companies that makes an antibody test is located. They are in the process of testing everyone in the whole county. Results should be interesting. I assume many more than expected will have already had the virus.

  110. jason says:

    Wow, Paul actually posted something that wasn’t stupid.

    Maybe he can infect Roadkill Maggot.

  111. jason says:

    Iran now has 7 straight days of around 3000 new case a day and 15 days in a row of deaths between 127-157, suggesting some kind of flattening of their curve.

    However, if you look at their graph, they seemed to peak around March 14, had ten “good” days and then spiked again.

    Still, not bad numbers considering the large population.

  112. dblaikie says:

    Frankly the way the Country was shut down two weeks ago I am glad it was only 6.7 million. Hopefully the small business loans for folks to make payroll will be begin to have an effect.

    As far as the economy coming back. We need to remember that it wasn’t an economic reason why we are where we are here — it was something from the outside. Remove that outside reason and the economy will come back quickly. However the longer we keep the economy shut down the longer the recovery. The stimulus package will help to mitigate but a 4th package might be needed.

    Trump has the right approach on this. He through the task force has issued nationwide guidelines. In our federalist system it is up to each Gov. to implement those guidelines. Like dominoes falling state after state issued “in shelter” orders.

    And it will be like dominoes falling coming back. With these “in shelter” orders the states are losing vast amounts of money. Some Governor from state with a low case load in the first week of May or last week of April is going to come out, say enough, and open things up. Watch as one by one the dominoes fall. In fact watch California. They are losing huge amounts money with fuel surcharges alone. With 42 million people if they still have a fairly low number of cases per capita Gavin may be among the first to open the state back up. I wonder who will be the first Governor to open things back up?

  113. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Using February statistics as a baseline, national unemployment has jumped from 3.5% to 9.6% in 2 weeks. That’s insane. https://twitter.com/edmorrissey/status/1245695166629007363 …”

    This strikes me as nonsense. 1 million jobless claims translates into 1% increase in unmployment.

    10 million jobless claims plus the existing 3.5% or so unemployment to start with means around 13.5% unemployment at this moment assuming the jobless claims aren’t lagging or inaccurate.

  114. PresidentPaul! says:

    Hospitals are on the verge of running out of nasal swabs, which puts them back into waiting he1l they were in weeks ago.

  115. jason says:

    I hear Trump took Biden’s call on his offer to give advice on the virus.

    Supposedly Biden said bloodletting showed good results in the mid-1880’s, especially if combined with chicken broth.

  116. Bitterlaw says:

    PA is second only behind CA in New unemployment claims. Thank you, Governor Wolf, for crashing the economy.

  117. jason says:

    Bunu is confused.

    There were 160 million employed in the US, not 100 million.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/

  118. Tina says:

    This statement is so Un true. Where is the twitter police?

    Can this person compare red state Ohio to blue state Ny?

    Ny, nyc were late and Meltdown Cuomo did not invest in supplies.

    Tom Elliott
    @tomselliott
    · 3h
    Axios’ @JimVandeHei: Red states were slow to respond to the Coronavirus because “They were listening to President Trump, they were watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbo [sic]”

  119. dblaikie says:

    Pitch, you need to remember that new hiring will lesson those numbers. For instance Amazon alone has said they need 200000 people. In this nightmare there are businesses that are actually busier and need people. In no way will the hiring keep pace with the new claims for unemployment but it will soften the numbers.

  120. Pitchaboy says:

    Dbalkie: I don’t comment on UE as it is not my forte. Furthermore, this is primarily a health care crisis with secondary effects on the economy. Much of it should get better as the health issues are taken care of.

  121. dblaikie says:

    Sorry Pitch, I was really addressing my post to President Paul.

  122. Paul says:

    Looks like my county has a 5.5% death rate. We have 142 cases and 8 deaths. I assume that there are three times as many cases that are untested. That would bring it down to a 1.4% death rate. But it also means that there are 300 people going about their lives without knowing they have COVID.

  123. Paul says:

    Location is Kane County, Illinois. Chicago exurbs.

  124. Tina says:

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    If we’re going to shut down the entire nation’s economy to “flatten the curve” based on the projections of a single model, it shouldn’t be too much to ask that the model approximate reality when it comes to hospitalizations.

  125. dblaikie says:

    According to a tweet, Trump has had some success with Putin and the Saudi Prince. They are going to cut up to 15 million barrels of oil a day.

  126. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    -I call BS on this story. NY Times “reporting” that Beijing officials were kept in the dark by local authorities in Wuhan.

    I don’t buy it.

  127. Country Dick Montana says:

    “PA is second only behind CA in New unemployment claims. Thank you, Governor Wolf, for crashing the economy.”

    That’s because PA is the ONLY STATE IN US that is not allowing CONSTRUCTION, a federally designated essential function. Our $40/hour union guys are not happy. (But you can bet Wolf’s Government union employees are getting paid to do bumpkis)Allegedly there is possible legislation being proposed to allow construction to continue.

    Wolf is an idiot.

  128. jason says:

    “Looks like my county has a 5.5% death rate. We have 142 cases and 8 deaths.”

    Too small a sample to be meaningful.

    My county York PA has 102 cases and 1 death, so less then 1% mortality, but again, meaningless.

  129. jason says:

    Encouraging numbers from Italy again.

    First batch from NY in..1 PM

    + 8460 cases + 154 deaths

  130. Paul says:

    I agree, Jason. Just found it interesting personally. I do think that the number of cases is only a fraction of the real number of infected. I think that I may have already had it. I had fever and pretty bad dry cough for a couple weeks. My wife disagrees with me and says I had a cold and am a whiner.

  131. jason says:

    NJ deaths a lot higher than yesterday +182 vs +88 yesterday.

    But since they didn’t update much yesterday possibly some of these deaths are from yesterday since the new cases are about the same.

    Hard to see why deaths would more than double with the same number of cases.

  132. jason says:

    “My wife disagrees with me”

    She may be right if she didn’t get it.

    They pretty much are only testing people with symptoms, and unless you are in a hot spot 85% or more test negative.

  133. jason says:

    “I do think that the number of cases is only a fraction of the real number of infected.”

    This would be both good and bad.

    Good because we are building herd immunity faster than thought.

    Bad because these asymptomatic people are still spreading the virus.

  134. jason says:

    They think each infected person passes it on to 2-3 people.

    Then they each pass it on to 2-3 people. And so on… exponential growth.

    But if you start running into immune people then that breaks the “chain”.

  135. Country Dick Montana says:

    Worldmeters showing 209 new deaths in Florida. News reports in last hour only saying 27 and 128 total. Those numbers are suspect. Could be the same for NJ, although if it follows NYC pattern it might not be far off.

  136. VictrC says:

    209 deaths in Florida, double their entire total leading up to today.

    My guess is Florida gets bad in the next two weeks as I bet this hit the elderly in Miami/FLL/WPB area hard. They should have cut off all flights from NY as soon as it exploded, but I guess DeBlasio and Cuomo telling everyone to go out and have fun within the last 28 days didn’t hurt. It must be Trumps fault for not closing down the country in December, right?

  137. Tina says:

    Yes, poor Beijing Commie officials were kept in the dark.

    So much so, that they had time to take out 3 media persons and the Wuhan doctor that blew the whistle.

  138. PresidentPaul! says:

    And we want US Pension funds involved in Red Ponzi?
    Luckin, China’s Starbucks Rival, Plunges on Accounting Probe. Company says fabricated sales appear to total 2.2 billion yuan

    Luckin Coffee Inc., the fast-growing Chinese coffee chain, plunged as much as 81% on Thursday after the company said its board is investigating reports that senior executives and employees fabricated transactions.
    The company’s announcement that Chief Operating Officer Jian Liu and employees reporting to him engaged in misconduct casts doubt on the foundations of the Chinese coffee chain’s meteoric rise and its emergence as a key competitor to Starbucks Corp.

  139. Pitchaboy says:

    Hopkins has corrected their numbers

  140. jason says:

    Florida is following these Federal guidelines on their stay at home order.

    PA should too.

    https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

  141. VictrC says:

    Glad they fixed the numbers

  142. jason says:

    Worldometer changed the FL numbers also.

  143. PresidentPaul! says:

    I don’t really agree with him but for your amusement this is McAfee’s take

    A global quarantine is likely to create the “worst financial havoc” ever, says John McAfee, founder of software security firm, McAfee LLC.
    Social unrest is likely to take place in the wake of this pandemic, McAfee said.
    “Every single catastrophe in which food or water or life-giving supplies are in low supply, the human veneer breaks down. And that thin layer of cultured society, human interaction, disappears,” he said.
    On the global pandemic, John McAfee called the coronavirus the “greatest fraud ever perpetrated on humankind.”
    “I’m a mathematician. I like numbers. Do you realize that there’s less than 100,000 people that have died from COVID? Less than 100,000 people in a world of 7.8 billion people. Do you realize in that same period of time when those 100,000 died, 630,000 died from the flu? 1.1 million died from diarrhea. 237,00 committed suicide, and 6 million died from starvation in the same period,” he said. “Do you understand, people, what nonsense is happening today?”

  144. Paul says:

    I can see McAfee’s point. I think getting a test of COVID antibodies widely used is the next step. That will give us a good idea of how many already have had the virus.

    If we find areas that the virus has already “burned through”, we should be able to open them up for business and just restrict travel from those areas.

    But I guess we are still many weeks away from such a test being easily available.

  145. Victrc says:

    Ugh. Paulbot. You do realize without these mitigation steps somewhere in the neighborhood of 40+M could have died, on the super low side.

    50M died in the Spanish flu and we were 1/7th size we are now worldwide

  146. mRviTO says:

    Yeah shouldn’t we be focusing on climate change? That is going to kill 100% of us.

  147. Tina says:

    Dough boy seems unhappy

    Brian Stelter
    @brianstelter
    · 1h
    NYT: “Dr. Zelenko’s treatment arrived at a useful moment for Mr. Trump and his media supporters, who have at times appeared more interested in discussing miracle cures than testing delays or ventilator shortages…” https://nytimes.com/2020/04/02/technology/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.html

  148. Tina says:

    Flat earth society is crushed:

    The Washington Times
    @WashTimes
    · 44m
    Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey https://bit.ly/2xKne7I

  149. PresidentPaul! says:

    I said I did not agree with McAfee rather I though his take was amusing.

  150. Scooterboy says:

    153. Yeah, we’ve only got 12 years left to live anyway. Why spend all our time stressing out over a little flu bug?

  151. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1245787842984521732

    “BREAKING: Congressional Budget Office estimates that GDP will shrink by 7% in Q2, annualized growth rate will contract by more than 28%, and unemployment will exceed 10% in the second quarter as coronavirus hits the economy.”

  152. dblaikie says:

    I know the number will be negative, but I learned not to trust the Congressional Budget Office with any number about 35 years ago.

  153. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It is important to emphasis the purpose of social distancing is not to totally stop the transmission of the virus. Instead it is to slow it down to an extent that it does not overwhelm the medical system. It is critical that herd immunity be developed, which will result from continued limited spread of the virus.

    There is an Oxford study that claims it is possible that 50% of the U.K. population has already been infected. Hopefully the model is correct.

    “Is the UK close to developing herd immunity? That’s the potential conclusion of an exciting study by a group of Oxford academics. The term herd immunity has been widely misused and condemned in the last few weeks, but if large numbers of Britons have developed Coronavirus and suffered very few symptoms it could – could – suggest that the death rates in the more apocalyptic modelling published last week might not come to pass.

    The latest modelling produced by the group of Oxford academics indicates that the Coronavirus may already have infected as many as half of the UK population.”

    https://reaction.life/oxford-study-50-of-uk-population-may-be-infected-already/

  154. PresidentPaul! says:

    Based on jobless claims I put current unemployment at 13.5% with the assumption that none of the numbers are lagging (not true) in my head so these numbers seem low to me.

  155. PresidentPaul! says:

    The monoclonals seem promising (and certainly will work) but it doesn’t look like it’s going to get done fast enough.

    This is basically trying to get as much herd immunity as possible as fast as possible while not overwhelming health care systems in the process of achieving that.

    It’s basically just Darwinism as treatment parameters although hopefully not too fast or the sh1t hits the fan.

  156. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Now that the impacts of an economic shutdown are being felt, there is a discussion going on of possible alternatives:

    Wesley Pegden, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematical Sciences, Carnegie Mellon University

    “There is a simple truth behind the problems with these modeling conclusions. The duration of containment efforts does not matter, if transmission rates return to normal when they end, and mortality rates have not improved. This is simply because as long as a large majority of the population remains uninfected, lifting containment measures will lead to an epidemic almost as large as would happen without having mitigations in place at all.”

    https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b

    “Hello, Mr. Wesley. I have an idea, based on the strategy adopted by Sweden and Israel. They locked down completely the groups at risk (elders and people with risks like diabetes, kidney issues, overweight, etc), but they leave the healthy population resume their normal lives. The purpose is that during one month the active population will contact the virus, carry it on with mild symptoms and obtain the “herd immunity”, that is 70% have already passed through the disease. This is actually how a pandemic virus “goes by”, this is how it runs out of hosts, complete isolation for an airborne virus is totally impossible. May I ask you to try to model this scenario for US ? One of the major gains would be that this partial lock down could actually be implemented, compared to total quarantine, which is a theory that could only delay the sharp curve (and due to constant leaks lead to more victims than the “big bang” of healthy people running through the virus) . Thank you in advance.”

  157. jason says:

    If you own a PA business, you can still apply today for a waiver to keep it open.

    Over 33000 applications have been received.

    https://expressforms.pa.gov/apps/pa/DCED/Waiver-process-keeping-physical-locations-open

  158. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1245738954860740609?s=20

    In India they know how to stop covid.

    Attack the health care workers there who might be spreading it!

  159. Pitchaboy says:

    India had it good till a bunch of Muslins(1000 plus) had a prayer convention. They went back to their respective communities and are busy spreading the virus and beating health care workers coming to put them in quarantine. They are the aggressive, religious Islamic spring breakers of India

  160. PresidentPaul! says:

    CNBC Now (@CNBCnow)
    BREAKING: Worldwide coronavirus cases reach 1 million, doubling in a week as death toll tops 50,000
    https://t.co/CmGlZRcLU3

    That would put us at 16 million by end of April if it keeps doubling weekly

  161. lisab says:

    Supposedly Biden said bloodletting showed good results in the mid-1880’s, especially if combined with chicken broth.
    —————————–

    and leeches, don’t forget the leeches

  162. Big Joe says:

    Market seems to have handled the 6.6M initial jobless claims figure well. This confirms that a lot of bad news is already priced in to the market.

    Unemployment report comes out at 8:30AM tomorrow.

    It’s earnings season. Earnings reports will tell an incomplete story though because it includes Jan-Mar. I hope companies will share Q2 guidance so we get an idea of how much earnings will slow in Q2.

    We will find out A LOT about short/long term prospects for the market in the next two weeks.

    Short term still looks slightly positive, but charts say the mid to long term trend is still down.

    Big Joe

  163. PresidentPaul! says:

    JOE ROGAN Rips Gal Gadot and the celebrity singing imagine horrific video

    Joe says they’re all a bunch of “knuckleheads” … he thinks it’s really not what the country needs at this time, and says they all stink at singing anyways.
    Comedian Tom Segura, Joe’s podcast guest, thinks Gal and her buddies probably feel like they did something significant, but he says it’s really a slap in the face to many.
    Tom joked … “I lost my job at the meatpacking plant, but Gal Gadot sang ‘Imagine.'”

  164. Big Joe says:

    Tesla has popped 15% in after hours. Big move.

    Big Joe

  165. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    Pretty decent poll for the President and John James(R-Senate) in Michigan. The poll was produced by a Liberal pollster for a Liberal organization.

    Biden up 48/45 and James down 45/38.

    https://progressmichigan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/LE-Newsletter-Issue1.pdf

  166. PresidentPaul! says:

    TSLA booming again after hours. I was nibbling at 450. Should have been more aggressive.

  167. PresidentPaul! says:

    Yep they beat on deliveries.

  168. PresidentPaul! says:

    TSLA will be having “battery day” soon although I don’t think firm date is announced that could be big deal also.

  169. jason says:

    That would put us at 16 million by end of April if it keeps doubling weekly”

    It will wipe out the entire universe if it keeps on doubling weekly until 2100.

  170. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Presser

    Trump checks issued in 2 weeks.

    Sba big loan program.

    Trump converting Javitz center into covid19 hospital.

  171. Tina says:

    Trump tells Piglosi quit with the witch hunt after witch hunt,

    Slams her for partisan witch hunt.

    Makes his poll numbers go up.

  172. lisab says:

    what happened to france today?

    they went from 500 deaths yesterday to 1,300+ today

  173. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Trump takes 2nd covid test, negative,

    Took him 1 minute and he got the results in 15.

  174. lisab says:

    only governor approved businesses will be allowed to be open in pennsylvania, and if the businesses stay open in protest, we will have armed men who will come in to take the business owners away. protests by regular taxpayers will never be tolerated in a democrat run state. you don’t pay what we consider high enough taxes and they will put you in jail. right away. no trial, no nothing. fox news journalists? we have a special jail for fox news journalists. you are killing the people by running a gun shop — right to jail. you are playing music too loud: right to jail, right away. driving too fast: jail. slow: jail. you are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you, right to jail. you under-cook fish? believe it or not, jail. you overcook chicken, also jail. if you as a middle-class person make an appointment with the dentist and you don’t show up, believe it or not, jail, right away. we have the best patients in the world because of jail.

  175. Tina says:

    Venthoarder cuomo says what?

    The state is broke and cannot pay for ventitators.

  176. Tina says:

    Yeah he really should run.

    3 terms in office

    State is broke.

  177. jason says:

    what happened to france today?

    they went from 500 deaths yesterday to 1,300+ today”

    Something is wrong, because cases are half of yesterday and deaths 3 X.

  178. jason says:

    Deaths lag new cases drops, of course, but the numbers look too extreme.

  179. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In the County of San Diego there are 966 diagnosed cases of coronavirus, and 16 deaths. In Utah there are 1,074 cases, and 7 deaths. The low death rates may be the result of younger populations; in San Diego some younger military have it who were infected elsewhere.

    My problem traveling between the two locations is the loon governor of Nevada wants to quarantine travelers coming into Nevada for 14 days. Driving through Nevada on the interstate appears exempt from the requirement. This is the same idiot who attempted to limit the use of chloroquine

  180. Tina says:

    Trump sends letter to dog Schumah.

    https://twitter.com/Shem_Infinite

  181. jason says:

    Mystery explained.

    “France today reported 884 additional deaths that have occurred in nursing homes over the past days and weeks [source]. The French Government did not include these deaths in their official count, as their count only takes into consideration deaths of hospitalized petients. Following international standards of correct inclusion, our statistics will include these deaths, and will add them to the April 2, 2020 count following the attribution criteria of date of report.”

  182. PresidentPaul! says:

    The whole “time to mask up” America seems like a terrible idea since our hospitals don’t have enough masks as it is.

  183. PresidentPaul! says:

    You just know some guys have their own personal closet full of n95’s so they can feel safe while they are at best buy.

  184. lisab says:

    ancient chinese wisdom: anyone who says that one person cannot change the world has never eaten an uncooked bat.

  185. Tina says:

    Carlson
    @themarketswork
    ·
    28m
    President Trump to Schumer:

    “I’ve known you for many years, but I never knew how bad a Senator you are for the state of New York until I became President.”

  186. NYCmike says:

    “You just know some guys have their own personal closet full of n95’s so they can feel safe while they are at best buy.”

    -I know several families where some/all of them lived through 9/11 and Sandy, and those masks are part of their emergency bag/kits.

    Unfortunately I did not think ahead like they did.

  187. PresidentPaul! says:

    #194
    If they bought it years ago that’s one thing, but it’s generally ridiculous.

    The hospitals need n95’s not some idiot.

    Trump should honestly sign an executive order banning the private use of n95’s unless they are planning on donating them.

  188. PresidentPaul! says:

    There are a lot of hospitals giving workers one n95 mask per week right now. Not one per day. One per week.

    And the nonedirect care get zero n95s rather one surgical mask.

  189. jason says:

    Trump should honestly sign an executive order banning the private use of n95’s unless they are planning on donating them.”

    Anybody doubted the Paulbots are just another version of fascists?

    Now you know.

  190. jason says:

    Trump should honestly sign an executive order banning the private use of n95’s unless they are planning on donating them.”

    Scary.

    What is next? Guns? Cans of tuna?

  191. jason says:

    No wonder Bunu is so enamored with the Nazis.

  192. jason says:

    Hoarding and price gouging during a crisis is one thing. I don’t have a problem in buying a hoarder’s stock of masks for a fair price during an emergency.

    Confiscating someone’s personal property (in this case one mask) is another thing.

  193. mRviTO says:

    Vote for Joe if you want the government to determine who gets a mask…

    Extra Bonus… keep a record that you voted for Joe, so that you might actually get one.

  194. George says:

    Trump knocked it out of the park at tonight’s press conference.

  195. Pitchaboy says:

    President Paul:
    I work at Penn and my daughter at Harvard. We use 1 surgical mask a week. N 95 is only used in known or high risk covid patients. We change masks weekly or if it gets wet.

  196. PresidentPaul! says:

    There’s no reason to be wearing an n95 while you’re walking around best buy when our hospitals have none unless you are immunosuppressed.

  197. Tina says:

    The letter for Schumah is well written.

    Schumah is an idiot.

    Notice, he is not around because he hates cuomo?

  198. Pitchaboy says:

    N95 are at their best when fitted for the user. You really need it in risky aerosol producing situations like intubation, bronchoscopy or dealing with sick patients in close quarters. No need to walk on the streets with them. If it comes to that, you probably have doctors and nurses left to take care of you.

  199. Pitchaboy says:

    No doctors or nurses left

  200. PresidentPaul! says:

    #207
    LUL there. Insulation\construction grade n95’s aren’t fitted.

    No one is using fitted masks

  201. mRviTO says:

    My wife is required to wear an N95 now.

  202. Will says:

    I use my n95 all day. It is placed in a clean bag if taken off. They are returned at the end of the day. Protocol to sterilize and reuse as supported by cdc and hosp infection control are being utilized. We think this can be done 10 times.

    There are some N95 alternatives. People have become very resourceful

  203. Pitchaboy says:

    The guys living in the ICU use fitted masks. The seal is important to prevent penetration by sprays of respiratory or nasal secretions common in ICU settings

  204. Will says:

    N95 fit testing is part of credentialling and renewal of privileges. Must be fit tested to insure optimal performance

  205. Will says:

    It is uncomfortable to wear all day but it beats the alternative….

  206. Pitchaboy says:

    213: Exactly. I guess the President here is contrarian for the heck of being so.

  207. George says:

    DAVID PLOUFFE: …..But, almost no matter what happens, can Donald Trump win Wisconsin? Can he win Michigan? Can he win Pennsylvania? Can he win Florida?’ Sure, because his base is so solid. And I think he’s going to turn out voters almost at a historical level on his behalf, so that makes him very dangerous if you’re Joe Biden.

  208. jason says:

    He is not a contrarian.

    He is a Paulbot. Fascism comes easy to him.

    I am sure Biden will be all for confiscating people’s personal property.

  209. jason says:

    Well, we know he can win those states.

    Can he do it again.

    Who knows, November seems an eternity away.

  210. Will says:

    Emphasis on optimal protection. Wasteful for everyone to wear one. Simple barrier mask probably sufficient for most with distance and handwashing, etc…

    Don’t get me started on ventilators. If people think this is the answer we are lost……

  211. mRviTO says:

    Was it foreshadowing that the venue for Hillary’s victory party is now a hospital for sick people.

  212. George says:

    Imagine….

    Sean Ono Lennon
    @seanonolennon
    Been listening to ‘respectable’ journalists quoting CCP official numbers for months without doubt or hesitation. Calling it the Wuhan Virus but only days later telling ppl who say it’s from China they’re racist. The official media have lost their legitimacy.

  213. mRviTO says:

    Seems like a ghastly number of people on the net sound like they are rooting for a lot of more deaths in red states…

  214. PresidentPaul! says:

    I don’t buy the “the response is more deadly than the virus” argument by Mccafee, etc because how easily and quickly this stuff spreads.

    By end of June you could have 100 million or more with this thing, and it would be even higher without methods of slowing it down, and as the numbers grow higher the response will grow even more draconian.

    One statistic I keep looking for but I’m never able to find: I want to know what percent of coronavirus people come off the vent.

  215. Will says:

    PP.

    EARLY experience showed an alarmingly low percentage. Why it is not talked about IMO…..

  216. Pitchaboy says:

    You go on a ventilator, you are likely not coming off it. Less than 20%.
    Your assumptions on 100 million by end of June is based on a somewhat less than clear understanding of infections. Once you get past a critical number of infections, R 0 falls as virus starts running into immune patients

  217. mRviTO says:

    I wonder how many additional flu deaths will be avoided because of the social distancing…

  218. Cash Cow TM says:

    Possible scenario:

    Chinese commie govt officials discussing things back in January…

    ************************************
    CC 1: “well it looks like we have about 50,000 deaths up in Wuhan.”

    CC 2: Yeah, that’s a b.it.ch–but it will turn out all right for us Chinese. We told the rest of the world it was a minor thing and not to worry about human to human contact spreading it.”

    CC 1: “How is that good for China?”

    CC 2: “It is China that makes the 95Masks and tons of other medical supplies the rest of the world will need when this crap hits them like a ton of bricks and they are unprepared for it since we gave them the verbal curve ball.”

    CC 1: “Guess we better get a third shift of workers busy making those masks, and other medical supplies.”

  219. jason says:

    By end of June you could have 100 million or more with this thing,”

    Where did you read that, Ron Paul’s newsletters?

  220. Cash Cow TM says:

    Charleston Medical Center (big hospital/medical facility in Charleston WV) has about $3MM in costs of operations A DAY.

    Since the coronavirus breakout and the cancelling of all elective surgeries, etc. and the fact that people are hunkered down at home and not traveling and getting injured in auto accidents, bar fights, drive by shootings, etc. they are losing about $1M a day.

    CMC is having to lay off hospital staff (radiologists, technicians, other staff, etc.)

    Martinsburg WV hospital reporting having the same problem with drastically lower revenue and having to lay off hospital staff.

  221. Cash Cow TM says:

    The U.S. has somewhat shy of 1,00,000 hospital beds.

    I know CV-19 is hitting some places harder (NY City, New Orleans, etc.) than others and putting a pinch on availability of hospital beds.

    But I do not hear reports about how many BEDS are available and how many beds are being utilized for CV-19 patients.

    ************************
    Also, not hearing anything about how many people in U.S. are dying due to the regular flu.

  222. Pitchaboy says:

    1. Around 30000 deaths from flu this year
    2. In NYC, covid has stopped most regular admissions. In PA, I have patients with breast cancer whose surgery has been put on hold. It is a big problem in NO and East Coast and parts of MI.

  223. PresidentPaul! says:

    Coronavirus has well knocked out flu and ever other respiratory virus entirely. It’s King Corona

    Social distancing has destroyed that stuff,

  224. PresidentPaul! says:

    225
    It wasn’t a prediction. It was a random number.

    That being said, 100 million coronas in the world by end of June doesn’t sound far fetched which is why I said it.

  225. Pitchaboy says:

    Flu can be almost as nasty. But vaccines and herd immunity slow it down. Hopefully we have a vaccine this fall.

  226. jason says:

    Here Walt…

    everything you ever wanted to know about the flu

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S5

  227. mRviTO says:

    Brooke Singman
    @BrookeSingman
    ·
    7h
    EXCLUSIVE: @realDonaldTrump
    ‘s campaign has been quietly calling local restaurants and ordering large amounts of food to be delivered to hospitals in an effort to feed doctors,nurses& first responders and support local restaurants #coronavirus #COVID19

  228. Cash Cow TM says:

    “CHARLES TOWN [WV]– Last month police throughout Jefferson County responded to 82 calls related to a domestic dispute, about a 30 percent uptick above the normal volume of such public safety calls.
    Most of the calls involved police responding to an active, still-heated dispute, said Jefferson County Sheriff Pete Dougherty. Police aren’t sure what might have driven the increase, he said.”

    *************************

    THIS is one of the things Cow predicted would spike up, due to everyone hunkering down at home.

  229. PresidentPaul! says:

    I think we have herd immunity and treatments long before there is a vaccine.

  230. Pitchaboy says:

    Last flu season: 60000 flu and flu related pneumonia death is in US and about 500000 in the world. COViD thus far, 5600 and 52000

  231. PresidentPaul! says:

    Bought a small amount of TIPS today.

    Never bought them before because I never thought inflation was a boogieman possibility in decades.

  232. Pitchaboy says:

    For an infection with a R0 of 2.5, you need roughly 60 million people in the US already immune to create herd immunity. If that happens, we are likely sitting on a boatload of asymptomatic infections. Antibody testing will clarify that. Possible, but based on current data, not probable.

  233. jason says:

    Worldometer closed out at +29874 and new deaths at + 968. About a 10% increase in cases and a 10% decrease in deaths.

  234. Cash Cow TM says:

    Thanks, jason.

    Helps a lot.
    (but it doesn’t tell me EVERYTHING I want to know about the regular flu) 🙂

  235. Country Dick Montana says:

    88-April 1, 2020 10:11PM

    “If my model holds then tomorrow will be 28181 new cases and 1158 new deaths.”

    I was off by 1693 or 6% on cases and 173 or 15% on deaths. I hope those death numbers are correct especially as it means that NY only had 139 deaths compared to 505 the day before. If I had to guess, I don’t think that all the data is in.

    All of the other States took a 52% jump in deaths.

    Looking for 30526 cases and 1279 deaths tomorrow

  236. jason says:

    Fauci destroys narrative that Trump didn’t take the virus seriously.

    “I think he always understood the seriousness of it. Right now, as the numbers are becoming crystal clear, he himself is articulating an awareness of that seriousness,” Fauci said in an interview on “The Daily,” a New York Times podcast.

    “But from the beginning, he always took it seriously.”

  237. jason says:

    Fauci will now join Birx as “drinking the koolaid”

  238. jason says:

    s it means that NY only had 139 deaths compared to 505 the day before. ”

    No, those numbers include 319 deaths in NY not 139.

  239. Country Dick Montana says:

    Its late. Data entry error. This means all the other states increased by 19%. Better than 52%. Still that for NY that is a 15% drop from the day before. Not ready to buy that yet.

  240. Country Dick Montana says:

    36% drop for NY. Its time for bed.

  241. PresidentPaul! says:

    China hoarded all the world’s n95’s to sell them back.

    https://twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1245885313878294529?s=20

  242. VictrC says:

    What is the press and the left’s obsession with Iran. This reporter today would not stop with her pressing Trump to help Iran, and lift sanctions, even saying it was his moral duty to help Iran.

    B S. It is absolutely not his duty to help a country that would kill us if they had the chance. As well, they haven’t asked us for help.

    Then Biden comes on and says that he wants sanctions on Iran lifted. Trump responded correctly. What do you want me to do, he said, send them a room full of cash like the last administration!!!

  243. mRviTO says:

    (((AG))) Retweeted

    Elad Ratson
    @EladRatson
    ·
    Apr 1
    An hour ago, a team of 40+ medical experts & engineers from Israel released the #opensource blueprints for
    @AmboVent
    – a low-cost, medically tested #COVID?19 ventilator device, made from off-the-shelf components, to answer worldwide #Coronavirus shortages

  244. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason thinks I need to boycott Mass because of the Pope so he won’t care but it makes me sad that my church is closed for Holy Week and beyond. Video Mass? Absurd. I can’t receive communion. To a Catholic, that is the center of the mass. The Church didn’t shut down for Romans, plagues, wars, Nazis or Communists. It shuts down for a virus? Pathetic.

  245. PresidentPaul! says:

    Seems like if the government is going to mandate that these businesses be closed even though many of them want to stay open like Tesla, then the government should be responsible for paying the payroll and overhead.

  246. PresidentPaul! says:

    (The everything bubble includes housing)(

    Mortgage Defaults Could Pile Up at Pace That Dwarfs 2008

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/home-lenders-brace-for-up-to-15-million-u-s-mortgage-defaults?srnd=premium&sref=IRovmk9E

    As many as 30% of Americans with home loans – about 15 million households –- could stop paying if the U.S. economy remains closed through the summer or beyond, according to an estimate by Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics.

    “This is an unprecedented event,” said Susan Wachter, professor of real estate and finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. “The great financial crisis happened over a number of years. This is happening in a matter of months — a matter of weeks.”

  247. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am beginning to see a major backlash against the quarantine measures.

    “We may need herd immunity to beat this thing. We can’t hide in our homes
    until it’s gone. It will never go away if we do that. I could definitely be persuaded otherwise but IMO a much more effective strategy than social distancing is let the young people go nuts and get it, quarantine the older folks and those with chronic health conditions, and let the disease go through a round of the young people. Then they all have immunity and won’t be passing it to anyone. Plus, if some older folks get it after that it’s a lot harder to spread since a huge part of the population has already been immunized.

    Also this strategy wouldn’t have led to 9.7M jobless claims in the past two weeks, nor would it have led to nearly as many closures of small businesses and people’s life work.

    It might be hard to control to get something like that to happen but theoretically it seems a lot better than what we’re doing.”

    Once an antibody test is in use, it will be interesting to see what percentage of the population has possible immunity.

  248. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    254. Musk has already received massive government subsidies; no more special treatment.

    “Elon Musk’s growing empire fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies”
    https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

  249. Tgca says:

    *CRICKETS*

  250. jason says:

    That was my recommendation weeks ago, but Trump didn’t take it.

    The antibody test should be given to everyone in the hot spot areas first, and everyone that shows they had the disease can then go back to work.

    Plus we will soon have 30k+ a day recovering, many of these people can go back to work too.

  251. jason says:

    a low-cost, medically tested #COVID?19 ventilator device, made from off-the-shelf components, to answer worldwide #Coronavirus shortages”

    Sorry, Vito, Bunu wants us to boycott Israel.

  252. jason says:

    36% drop for NY. Its time for bed.”

    Those numbers “survived” the night.

    We will know if there is a big spike in reported deaths today in NY that all deaths did not get reported yesterday.

    I hope we really did have a drop.

  253. hugh says:

    260. Its interesting. my wife and I saw Cuomo demonstrating a hand ventilator. I said to my wife it seems to me that an college study group of engineering students could figure out a low cost way to have the hand ventilator converted to automatic and you would just need someone to watch the patient to make sure it continues operating properly. It adds a person to the equation, but still a relatively cheap and plentiful alternative.

  254. hugh says:

    253. I never knew how much I would miss mass. And without communion it is not the same. Of course the problem is probably not the social distancing which could be worked out at many churches its the communion itself.

  255. jason says:

    And now they even lost most of their airport viewership…

    “As liberal networks debate whether to pull broadcasting pressers from the president of the United States because they don’t like him, one anti-Trump network might not have a choice if they want to boost ratings. CNN had quite a dismal first quarter, with not a single one of their programs cracking the top 20 in the rating chart.

  256. Tina says:

    This dingbat says no manipulation by the commies

    Andrew Lawton
    @AndrewLawton
    · 20h
    “There’s no indication that the data that came out of China in terms of their infection rate and their death rate was falsified in any way,” Canada’s health minister Patty Hajdu says. She then accuses the reporter who asked about the data of “feeding into conspiracy theories.”

  257. Wobbles says:

    I still watch CNN.

  258. Tina says:

    Joe Weisenthal
    @TheStalwart
    ·
    1h
    Bank of America’s 2020 quarterly GDP estimates

    1Q: -7%
    2Q: -30%
    3Q: -1%
    4Q +30%

  259. jason says:

    Bitter, don’t despair, I hear that in lieu of mass the communist Pope has directed all dioceses to pass out “Money is the Root of all Evil” and “How to Cope with Rising Oceans” guidebooks for Catholics to read while Mass is suspended.

  260. hugh says:

    269. only sort of funny. I knew we had problem when they elected a Jesuit as Pope.

  261. PresidentPaul! says:

    The Swedish people being pissed off at their prime minister for this is pretty amusing.

    His strategy has been to let everyone get the coronavirus and hope it works out.

  262. jason says:

    I knew we had problem when they elected a Jesuit as Pope”

    Uh oh, dissension among the ranks?

    What is the best strain of Catholic for Pope?

  263. jason says:

    Sweden numbers look pretty good actually.

  264. jason says:

    I hear the communist Pope is also working on another guidebook “Why it is important for everyone to distribute their assets while the Catholic Church keeps theirs”.

  265. PresidentPaul! says:

    Trump is meeting with shale today to convince them to cut production

    “The reason: both Saudi Arabia and Russia are demanding that US shale producers, some of whom such as Whiting Petroleum have already filed for Chapter 11 protection yet continue to pump as normal, join the production cuts. As the WSJ reports, “Saudi Arabia and Russia won’t cut unless they get signals from U.S. producers they will reduce output, the officials said. But they added that official joint curbs would be more difficult to enact in the U.S. because of antitrust laws.””

  266. jason says:

    For more than two months, Wuhan residents faced draconian restrictions, with all movement in, out and around the industrial city of 11 million people blocked.
    Even if the Chinese lied about the number of deaths, this is still good news:

    “But in recent days, Wuhan has been showing signs of going back to normal.

    You can’t fake this.

    “With its subway and train service resuming this weekend, some businesses, supermarkets and shopping malls have also re-opened their doors, hoping for customers to start trickling in. Travel restrictions are also expected to be lifted on April 8.”

  267. jason says:

    “In late February, when the U.S. stock market was in the early stages of slipping on news of the coronavirus outbreak, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, began buying up tech stocks and stock options.

    Paul Pelosi, a businessman and investor, paid up to $3.3 million in total to buy Alphabet (ticker: GOOGL) and Microsoft (MSFT) stock options, and Slack Technologies stock (WORK), an April 1 regulatory filing from Speaker Pelosi shows. All three stocks have been outperforming the broader market, as measured by the S&P 500 index, although only Slack stock sports a year-to-date gain.”

    I don’t see a problem, just like I don’t have a problem with Burr, Feinstein, or Loeffler.

  268. jason says:

    We will have reduced demand for shale derived oil in the US anyway, so I don’t see any reason for artificial cuts.

  269. pitchaboy says:

    Models are as good as the data you put in them. The modelling done here is assuming all states go the way of NY and NJ: then we end up at 240000 with current mitigation measures. The low number of 100000 is if we do not take that trajectory. You can see the confidence intervals are huge: that is the shaded area between the two graphs, meaning that at this time, it is anybody’s guess. Gateway Pundit and Redstate are sold on the idea that somehow the deep state is shutting down the country and over-hyping this illness. I dont believe that is happening. But when you have 5 models giving you 5 different measures; you know that nobody knows the right model.
    All I see is the trajectory of new cases has slowed. The doubling time from 100k to 200k took 5 days and from 50k to 100k took 3 days. That tells me the R0 is decreasing, but not quite there yet.

  270. jason says:

    They all got their information from a crytopcurrency scammer lawyer on Long Island.

    “Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine is the most effective coronavirus treatment currently available, finds international poll of 6,000 doctors”

  271. jason says:

    Gateway Pundit and Redstate are sold on the idea that somehow the deep state is shutting down the country and over-hyping this illness”

    I think that is a little unfair. I think they are questioning whether we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    I personally think we are doing the right thing to extend the shutdown to April 30. We have to get through the peak and see a marked drop in new cases and the building of herd immunity before trying to relax the restrictions.

    However, at some point I also agree that we have to decide how much long term damage we want to endure (which will also cost lives) vs. trying to optimize the death toll.

    We accept a certain amount of flu deaths a year although we could avoid a lot of them by shutting down the economy.

    We will need to make the same decision on Covid-19 too.

  272. jan says:

    For the record, I’m highly skeptical of the various CV modeling driving the dire expectations being given to the public. Much
    Ike climate change predictions, it’s the computers who are in charge. And, the data diet they are fed creates the information being funneled and fed to the public.

    As a side note – the Trump campaign is ordering meals from restaurants in NJ, NY, Mi and WA state, and donating them to hospital workers in those areas. IOW, two distressed sectors in the country, medical personnel & small business, are being served by this gesture. I think it”s noteworthy, but will be generally ignored by a media who filters such news.

  273. Pitchaboy says:

    If things are not much better by April 30, I say open it up and take the hit. But it should be significantly better by then. I am just surprised how a disease is being looked at through a political lens to this degree. But, that is life.

  274. Cash Cow TM says:

    RIP Bill Withers, singer and song writer from Slab Fork WV.

    Was 81.

    There will be “No Sunshine When You’re Gone”.
    Walt says he wants the song below played at his funeral.

    “Lean on Me”, brother.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZgo8gMIoM

  275. jason says:

    Walt says he wants the song below played at his funeral.”

    Sorry, nothing can be planned that far in the future.

  276. jason says:

    As a side note – the Trump campaign is ordering meals from restaurants in NJ, NY, Mi and WA state, and donating them to hospital workers in those areas. IOW, two distressed sectors in the country, medical personnel & small business, are being served by this gesture. I think it”s noteworthy, but will be generally ignored by a media who filters such news.”

    If you make it newsworthy they will be accused of pandering.

    Better it be done quietly.

  277. Tina says:

    It’s time for trump to halt this guy on tee vee.

    He is a disaster.

    Jordan Schachtel
    @JordanSchachtel
    ·
    1h
    Fauci went on TV today & was 100% unaware of positive outcomes coming out of HCQ trials & ongoing treatments w/ COVID-19 patients.

    How is it possible that he’s not up to date on this stuff? Did he slip up, or is he is entering total negligence territory?

  278. Tina says:

    Time for Fauci to be background music.

    Trump needs to trust his instincts.

  279. Paul says:

    I would like things to go back to normal, but I have a feeling we are in this until late summer. I’ve just registered me and my sons for Boy Scout camp in July. I hope it isn’t canceled but reality is that such events likely aren’t happening.

  280. Paul says:

    “my sons and I”

  281. jan says:

    I don’t see how the US can stick with such restrictive policies much past April without incurring tragic economical consequences in their wake.

    As for the political exploitation taking place by the Dems, I find it beyond even being called “disgusting.” Pelosi,Schumer, being leaders of their party, are showing a special type of malevolent behavior in putting their struggle for power first, over the well being of the country.

  282. jason says:

    Fauci is the best we have on this.

    And yesterday he came out and said Trump has been hands on deck from the beginning.

    Fauci is a real doctor and a real expert, Trump is a politician.

    Let’s keep things in perspective.

  283. jason says:

    Yeah, let’s take Fauci off TV:

    Fauci destroys narrative that Trump didn’t take the virus seriously.

    “I think he always understood the seriousness of it. Right now, as the numbers are becoming crystal clear, he himself is articulating an awareness of that seriousness,” Fauci said in an interview on “The Daily,” a New York Times podcast.

    “But from the beginning, he always took it seriously.”

  284. Cash Cow TM says:

    CV-19 impact on the 2020 elections?

    In Jefferson Co., WV they reported that (so far) 43 poll workers have called to say they will not work the polls on June 9 primary.

    Poll workers here are usually older, retired folks.

    WV is ramping up absentee ballot efforts. Mailing out postcards to all RV’s is state. If they want an absentee, they sing and send back card, then absentee ballot mailed to them.

    All this is increasing costs for voting. An extra $10,000+ just for Jefferson county (one of 55 counties in WV)

    **********************

    Older people usually vote in higher numbers in primary. They tend to vote more R. Will they STILL come out in usual numbers due to fear of CV-19?
    *******************

    In WV and other states, primary challengers to incumbents are having a hard time campaigning with shelter in place orders and ban on public meetings.

    Media coverage of campaigns has become nonexistent.
    Advantage to the incumbents?

    Economic situation in U.S. will play a bigger factor in who votes for who…the longer this CV-19 thing plays out.

    *******************

    Since most CV-19 deaths are to over 60 year olds and men…both of these demographic groups tend to vote more R…will this hurt Trump in key states?

  285. jason says:

    Trump needs to trust his instincts.”

    Huh, no.

    Trump needs to trust the advice of the experts he put in charge of the task force.

    He can then balance that with what he thinks are the long term needs of the country.

    So far, I think he is doing that.

  286. Tina says:

    Media matters claims that Faux was late to Coronavirus.

    Yet, months ago, medial matters said faux was fear mongering.

    https://t.co/LkxIKCAERy?amp=1

  287. jason says:

    Since most CV-19 deaths are to over 60 year olds and men…both of these demographic groups tend to vote more R…will this hurt Trump in key states?”

    Not likely.

    In the first place the hot spots are heavily urban areas that tend to vote Dem, not R.

    Second, if we are talking of 100k deaths spread out over mostly urban areas in 50 states the impact on any individual state will be minimal.

  288. Tina says:

    This includes Fauci

    THOR the Deplorable?? ?????? deboosted again
    @ThorDeplorable
    ·
    36m
    Hydroxycloroquine is the first drug in memory that Democrats don’t push.

  289. jason says:

    Remember when Michael Moore was happy that the hurricanes were affecting mostly “red states”?

    And when he said 9/11 terrorists shouldn’t be killing Dems in NY?

    Really sick.

  290. jason says:

    Fauci has been more than fair about chloroquine…

    On March 25 in an interview he said he would absolutely prescribe it to his patients.

    “Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,” Fauci told talk radio host Chris Stigall, who asked him if he would allow a patient to act on their desire to try chloroquine.”

    and:

    Dr. Fauci pushes back on the idea that he dismissed that Chloroquine could be effective against Coronavirus: “I’m not dismissing it at all and I hope that interpretation wasn’t widespread.”

  291. Country Dick Montana says:

    NY already up to 397 deaths today. Had 319 yesterday.

  292. I believe folks need to lay off Fauci about the Hydroxycloroquine. He has said from the beginning that until a large study is concluded he is going to with hold judgement. When that study is completed and it shows it is effective against the virus he will cheer along with everyone else.

  293. jason says:

    But let’s not get ahead of ourselves on chloroquine.

    It is pretty clear it does have benefits, but we don’t really know a lot about how, where, and when it should be prescribed and what are the true results. It will be important to be able to target optimum dosages and conditions and at what point it should be given.

    There are some good clinical trials now going on with it.

    We will know soon how good it really is and when it should be used.

  294. jason says:

    So the D is for Douglas, huh?

  295. jason says:

    NY already up to 397 deaths today. Had 319 yesterday.”

    Saw that. Not good news. Let’s see if it will stay under the 505 we had on Wed.

  296. jason says:

    Italy numbers in.

    13th day of new cases below the peak. 7th day of new deaths below the peak.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

  297. dblaikie says:

    My mistake. Douglas is a great Scottish name! Dubh Glas in the Gaelic meaning black or muddy stream.

  298. Tina says:

    Collision symbol Retweeted

    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls
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    Georgia Senate Primary:
    Collins (R) 36%
    Warnock (D) 16%
    Loeffler (R) 13%
    Lieberman (D) 11%
    Tarver (D) 3%
    Bartell (I) 2%
    Slowinski (L) 1%

    Run-off:
    Collins (R) 49% (+13)
    Warnock (D) 36%

    @bgconnectGOP
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    Internal Poll 3/31-4/1
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  299. dblaikie says:

    Now that we are getting more accurate info for me the stat I watch closely on worldomenters is number of serious or critical cases. When that plateaus and begins to go down so will fatalities.

  300. Tina says:

    Now the leftist corporate nut jobs at bank America are trying to ruin the payroll protection act by imposing additional (their) standards.

    Fitting that the presstitutes will turn around and blame the administration,

  301. Tina says:

    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    ·
    30m
    .
    @BankofAmerica
    got bailed out with $45 billion of your tax money

    But now just heard from #smallbusiness with a BOA account & a 400k line of credit they paid off

    BOA denied #PPP loan because they don’t have a credit account

    A ridiculous requirement that isn’t anywhere in law

  302. Tina says:

    When will we get Drat tears about dpa?

    Daniel Drepper
    @danieldrepper
    · 2h
    Berlin says that US confiscated 200,000 masks (FFP2 and FFP3) at airport in Bangkok that were ordered for Berlin police. Masks were produced by a 3M factory (US company) in China. City of Berlin says this is “modern piracy” and urges Merkel government to address this with the US. https://twitter.com/JuliusBetschka/status/1246073517193351168

  303. Paul says:

    MSNBC says chloroquine might stop the transmission of COVID19.

  304. Paul says:

    Dr. Barnabas of Univ. of Washington is on MSNBC. They are doing a study to see if this will both treat and stop the spread.

    Of course, this might all be fake news. 🙂

  305. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/support_grows_for_government_run_health_care_universal_basic_income

    I never thought that I would see the day when this would happen. Did we oldies raise our children that poorly?

    ” A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 40% of all Likely U.S. Voters now favor having the federal government provide every single American with a basic income. Slightly more (43%) are opposed to a so-called “universal basic income,” while 17% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    The last time Rasmussen Reports asked this question – in August 2011, just 11% favored a basic income grant for all; 82% were opposed.

    Forty-five percent (45%) of voters now favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. Forty-one percent (41%) are opposed. Fourteen percent (14%) are not sure.”

  306. Tina says:

    Yikes

    Dr. Fauci: Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things that the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security are doing. But this is not a major threat for the people of the United States. And this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/wow-watch-dr-fauci-january-not-major-threat-people-united-states-not-something-citizens-worried/

  307. jason says:

    Zzzzzzzzz….

    So are you ok if we just concentrate on what Trump was saying in January?

    Fauci was probably relying on WHO.. they were saying in January that it was not easily transmissible between humans.

    If we want to give Trump a pass on using the information that was available let’s be consistent on Fauci too.

  308. jason says:

    Many people want a nanny state.

    If they didn’t Dems would not control the House.

    The Dems are running on implementing the nanny state. It is not a secret.

  309. Tina says:

    So, the most knowledgeable doctor blew it.

    Keep the idiot in charge of cd .

  310. Tina says:

    rnard B. Kerik
    @BernardKerik
    ·
    10m
    Dr. Fauci was clearly not ready for anything close to this, he’s the same guy that said the mortality rate would be 3 to 5%, and has discouraged doctors from prescribing #Hydroxychloroquine! I think he needs replaced #ASAP

  311. Tina says:

    Keeping him is like bush praising brownie for Katrina,

  312. Tina says:

    I am very doubtful of trump winning re election.

    Sorry folks..

  313. Tina says:

    Is Venthoarder Cuomo now complaining about the nearly empty naval ship?

    He stated (and apparantely agreed) that it would only take non covid cases.

  314. Pitchaboy says:

    No amount of federal and state mandates will accomplish anything if people violate it. NYC subways are still packed. A whole bunch of cars running all over Bucks County PA. You cannot replicate SK or Singapore here as people are beyond stupid and the government does not have the stomach to crackdown

  315. Messy says:

    rasmussen has Trump at 44% approval. He hasn’t been that low there since he called some Nazis ‘good people” back in ’17.

  316. gaemboy says:

    #327 Way too early for either side to celebrate what will happen in November. We’ll see what things look like in October. To state the obvious lots will happen between now and November. To look at, comment on, or analyze any polls taken right now is just plain stupid. Trump does have one lucky advantage he had in 2016…..a very weak opponent.

  317. Country Dick Montana says:

    329-I will agree that people are stupid. However, given our government and our culture, long term locking down (or cracking down)is a fool’s errand. Try as the FBI and NSA want, we are not a police state. Right now any compliance is for all intents and purposes voluntary. There are not enough jails to put people in if and when people get tired of sheltering in place. The various Federal, State and Local governments are doing a good job walking a fine line right now.

  318. jason says:

    He hasn’t been that low there since he called some Nazis ‘good people” back in ’17.”

    Of course, he never said that.

    What he said “there are very fine people on both sides” was in the context of the argument on whether to remove Confederate monuments (in this case Robert E. Lee) or not.

    Messy Moron displays her vast ignorance once again.

  319. jason says:

    Dr. Fauci was clearly not ready for anything close to this, he’s the same guy that said the mortality rate would be 3 to 5%, and has discouraged doctors from prescribing #Hydroxychloroquine! I think he needs replaced #ASAP”

    Kerik is a convicted felon who should keep his mouth shut, and stop lying about other people.

    Oh, and btw the current mortality rate worlwide: 5.4%

  320. jason says:

    nd has discouraged doctors from prescribing #Hydroxychloroquine”

    Actually, he never said that.

    To the contrary, he said he would prescribe it himself.

  321. Country Dick Montana says:

    330-He was 48% yesterday and steady 46% to 48% for the week before. Not bad considering all of the headwinds he is enduring. Oh and Obama was 47% at the same time in his Presidency.

  322. dblaikie says:

    Tina you need to take a walk. Trump’s approval ratings have never been higher. His opponent has dementia. His ability to open the country back up will tell the tale. And please take note. Yesterday Trump was only 2 points behind. Either a terrible sample or they changed their model.

  323. jason says:

    Keeping him is like bush praising brownie for Katrina,”

    Fauci is no brownie.

    You read it here first.

    Fauci has done a tremendous job. So has Birx.

    Attacking them is idiotic and only serves to help the MSM narrative.

  324. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    330. The Real Clear Politics average has Trump’s job approval at 47% approve, 51% disapprove. Rasmussen is Trump’s lowest poll.

  325. jason says:

    I don’t know if Trump is going to win re-election either.

    I was cautiously optimistic before all this started.

    Now there are so many different factors regarding the virus and the economy it has become much more difficult to predict.

    But of one thing I am certain, as long as Trump shows he is relying on the expertise of people like Fauci and Birx, the better chance he will have of prevailing on the competency scale.

  326. Hugh says:

    Surely Jason you do not believe that mortality rate. The vast majority of healthy people who have had this will never get tested. Just like people with the flu. Either this is not that contagious or that mortality rate is grossly overstated. It cannot be both. I know you know that so why perpetuate the myth of a 3 to 5 percent mortality rate? Btw I am sure Fauci is brilliant but a hammer thinks everything is a nail. Same with Fauci he can only see one side of the problem. We need a serious mental health doctor to balance him out before 100,000s die of suicide.

  327. Hugh says:

    Birx is great.

  328. Country Dick Montana says:

    340 – A President’s reelection is generally a function of the economy. The economy is not failing due to some collapse of Capitalism, it has failed primarily to actions of politicians/government intentionally shutting down their states’ economy and throwing people out of work. (No judgement on why they did it. For good or bad, who knows what price we are willing to pay socially)

    We are asking the government now to intervene and fix the things they have done. That is almost like inviting and thanking China for helping us during this time. Or thanking an arsonist for putting out the fire.

  329. jason says:

    New Jersey case numbers 30% increase from yesterday, but deaths down.

    2 PM numbers + 20629 cases +716 deaths nationwide.

    Dr. Birx’s model shows 1194 deaths today (1033 – 1333)

  330. Victrc says:

    Country – what we have to be careful is that Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders and AOC types will try to use the tragedy to implement their form of socialism and nanny state governance and control over all sectors of the economy (they are already trying for healthcare and energy which is more than a 1/4 of the economy). These checks and UE et al are ways to get Americans hooked on the idea of government money in their hands without work (AOC dreamworld — pay without work and take it from those who work and are successful by force).

    We have to be very very careful. Notice who they put in charge of investigating Trump for COVID – 19. Clyburn – who said that they should use this crisis to implement their system of govt

  331. jason says:

    We need a serious mental health doctor to balance him out before 100,000s die of suicide.”

    Oh puhhheeeze…

    Fauci is a serious doctor and there is no need to “balance him out”.

    I am sure Fauci will be as happy as everyone else as the mortality rate falls.

    But right now, we have a 5.4% mortality rate worlwide with the numbers reported.

    In the US we have a 2.55% mortality rate to date.

    Those are the facts.

    Nobody has to commit suicide whether 98% survive or 99% survive in any case.

  332. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    317. “MSNBC says chloroquine might stop the transmission of COVID19.”

    So after weeks of attacking Trump for supporting chloroquine use because it was “snake oil”, MSNBC is now trying to do an about-face?

    Trump derangement syndrome at its worse.

  333. jason says:

    Anybody who worries or celebrates Rasmussen at 44% or 47% or 50% is a moron.

    Well, we know Messy is a moron.

  334. Phil says:

    I watch the daily number of new cases for each country as well as each state. I haven’t paid much attention to the daily ups and downs of deaths since that is the lagging indicator.

  335. Country Dick Montana says:

    349- I track mostly deaths as that is the only absolute. The TOTAL amount of cases is much different than the CONFIRMED cases. With testing accelerating, we can’t be sure what portion the amount of CONFIRMED cases is from new testing or new cases

  336. Hugh says:

    Jason. You are definitely an all or nothing guy. Never seen you change your mind once. Our society for years has balanced economic and liberty concerns against mortality rates. If we didn’t then the legal driving age would be 30 and speed limits would be under 55 mph. We would outlaw all guns. Everyone would have free healthcare. Smoking would be outlawed. The list will go on and on. How many fewer people would’ve died if we spent $8 trillion on various medical causes? If someone wants to avoid at all cost any chance of getting the coronavirus they have far options and free will then somebody with mental illness and anxiety issues stuck in their homes alone who then commit suicide. The world is not all black and white.

  337. dblaikie says:

    I find three states very interesting. First is California. Only 369 cases in the state with 42 million people. Second is Oregon which sandwiched in between California and Washington only 826 total cases. And finally Texas, our third most popular state with the dense metro areas of DFW, Houston and San Antonio has only 5300 total cases.

    I hate to say this but as these numbers come out, it seems that the main problem with this Virus is becoming a northeastern event with side shows in LA and Michigan.

  338. dblaikie says:

    only 369 new cases in above post

  339. dblaikie says:

    In the coming weeks the pressure is going to be huge for Governors in states with low levels to virus to open up. It is just a matter of time, for instance, that Culinary Workers and Casino owners put huge pressure of the Gov. to open up. If things stay on course with California Gavin is going to start to feel huge pressure from business folks to open up.

    When that happens watch the dominoes fall.

  340. Country Dick Montana says:

    352 – As of yesterday 8 states had a higher percentage of deaths than their percentage of population. NY,LA,NJ,MI,WA,CT and VT. Together they accounted for 18% of the population and 72% of the deaths. Of course NY with 6% of the population and 42% of the deaths is hitting way above its weight (151 deaths/million.)

    Texas is #44 in deaths/million of population at about 0.17. NC is another fairly large state at 11 million people and it is #48 at 0.1 deaths/million

  341. VictrC says:

    355 – This is purely coincidental, but don’t think for a moment that someone will not point it out to gain political traction. All of the above states with the highest mortality percentages are all Dem Govs

    Again, I can’t say this enough, it is coincidental, but ironic.

  342. Country Dick Montana says:

    The governor of Vermont is a Republican…although he sometimes doesn’t act like one

  343. Proud Obamacon says:

    BREAKING NEWS GUYS! HOT OFF THE PRESSES!

    Corona can be spread by asymptomatic people! Gov Kemp of GA just broke the news two days ago. Wow, if these are our leaders, we are completely PHUCKED!

    CONGRATS to Big Joe , he has the stupidest governor in the US. And that’s not easy to pull off!

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN’

  344. Paul says:

    To call this a northeast problem, is pretty silly at this point. Places like Texas are not out of the woods when they have 5000 cases and almost 100 deaths. New York, Italy and Spain were at that same point not too long ago.

  345. Wes says:

    81, huh?

    That’s a few billion years behind Walt, but he must have been part of the last generation of West Virginians blessed with functioning brains.

  346. Wes says:

    This is what 361 was in response to:

    Cash Cow TM says:
    April 3, 2020 at 11:16 am
    RIP Bill Withers, singer and song writer from Slab Fork WV.

    Was 81.

    There will be “No Sunshine When You’re Gone”.
    Walt says he wants the song below played at his funeral.

    “Lean on Me”, brother.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZgo8gMIoM

  347. Paul says:

    Just to give a perspective on how quickly things change…. On March 21 (13 days ago), New York had just 7000 cases and 38 deaths.

    Texas is basically at the same point but social distancing will hopefully make a difference.

  348. dblaikie says:

    It is not silly. At some point the nation has to have a candid discussion of just where the problem areas are and what areas are at the point to start opening up the economy. Needs to happen bug time.

  349. PresidentPaul! says:

    Tesla Shanghai Production Hitting Record Highs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEr559DVsjs

  350. dblaikie says:

    Texas had fewer fatalities today than yesterday. But again Texas is hot and humid, unlike New York. Different place, different solution.

  351. Paul says:

    dblaikie,
    I agree each area is a little different. However, pretending like a place like Texas can just resume normal life is naive.

  352. Paul says:

    Sadly, it looks like France’s big number of deaths yesterday wasn’t an outlier.

  353. dblaikie says:

    It isn’t naive. At some point, in the very near future, a bunch of folks are going to have to put their political butts on the line and make those decisions. I didn’t say anything about normal. I said to begin to open the economy. Paul, you do realize that this isn’t an either/or choice. Perhaps we can do both. You are the one who is naive.

  354. jason says:

    Sadly, it looks like France’s big number of deaths yesterday wasn’t an outlier.”

    The good news is they have like 20% fewer deaths today.

    +1120 today vs. +1355 yesterday, fairly significant drop.

  355. Tina says:

    Presser Trump suggests that anti malaria drug is looking good.

    Don’t worry Fauci will say otherwise.

    And he did earlier this am.

  356. Tina says:

    CDC: Voluntary use of fabric masks.

  357. Paul says:

    dblaikie,
    Fair enough. No need to attack me. If you do, I’ll just go back to my parody posts.

  358. Tina says:

    Dr. Birx

    Areas are doing well w / mitigation.

    She will discuss the states doing well.

  359. jason says:

    It is not silly. At some point the nation has to have a candid discussion of just where the problem areas are and what areas are at the point to start opening up the economy. Needs to happen bug time.”

    Absolutely.

    The one size fits all doesn’t apply here and we really need to get people back to work in many areas on May 1st.

    With added precautions of course, social distancing, no large gatherings for awhile etc. but they do need to start opening a lot of businesses, especially the real estate business.

  360. jason says:

    And he did earlier this am.”

    Tina now making sh-t up.

    He said no such thing. What he said is we don’t yet have results from ongoing clinical trials, but he is not at all opposed to the drug being used.

  361. jason says:

    If you do, I’ll just go back to my parody posts.”

    Nobody noticed you had stopped them.

  362. jason says:

    You tell someone they had ONE post that was not stupid and they get a big head.

  363. dblaikie says:

    Paul no attack intended. Unlike Worm, Messy, and pobamacan, you are a poster folks should respect.

  364. jason says:

    Fauci

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/dr-fauci-shuts-down-fox-and-friends-on-coronavirus-cure-says-we-dont-operate-on-how-you-feel

    Yeah, he says he doesn’t operate on how people “feel”. He pointed out we don’t have the results yet from clinical testing, which is true.

    Completely different from the BS you made up.

    If you want to be critical of Fauci, do it honestly.

  365. dblaikie says:

    Doesn’t mean I agree with every post.

  366. Bruce says:

    Per WHO report 74 4/3

    France’s % of population infected= .0008

    France’s % of population died= .000067

  367. jason says:

    you are a poster folks should respect.”

    dblaikie has been hitting the single malt a little too much.

    Paul is a lying POS troll.

    Let’s get real.

  368. Paul says:

    Some call them parody posts, while others simply call it a psychotic break with reality.

  369. jason says:

    Most call it far left MSM propaganda.

  370. jason says:

    MI, with their trash talking moron for a governor, passes CA in number of cases.

  371. mRviTO says:

    WAPO has some reporting that there have likely been 40000 deaths in Wuhan and it is increasingly likely the virus leaked from a lab there rather than a market.

    They’ll probably win a Pulitzer…. the other 20 outlets that were saying it last week will be continued to be called fake news.

  372. jason says:

    They skewered Tom Cotton for suggesting it.

  373. jason says:

    Maybe that is why they let the wet markets reopen.

  374. jason says:

    I thought it might be a good excuse to deny people their dog stew or bat ragout.

  375. mRviTO says:

    Mark Hemingway
    @Heminator
    AP ‘Fact Check’ from 3/24: Trump’s suggestion virus lockdown could cause suicides is bunk

    Reuters today: Massive unemployment means we could be looking at an extra 20,000 suicides in the US and Europe

    ……………

    Duh.

  376. jason says:

    I thought it was racist and xenophobic…

    “Joe Biden’s campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump’s January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.
    “Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfeld, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

  377. dblaikie says:

    Jason how did you know?

  378. Proud Obamacon says:

    GA GOV KEMP: HEY GUYS, the sky is blue!

    #blue.wave.comin

  379. Tina says:

    President swallowell, a Russian hoaxer, said:

    Rep. Eric Swalwell
    @RepSwalwell
    · Mar 3
    Stop wearing face masks. #coronavirus

  380. Tgca says:

    Ok I will weigh in being the most brilliant and humble poster at HHR.

    Folks arguing over semantics here is silly. I get Dr. Fauci’s point on not enough clinical evidence to absolutely corroborate various claims. But at the same time, don’t discount what small studies say either if done by qualified and respected professionals, as often great discoveries start small.

    No one medical professional has all the answers here and Dr. Fauci should weigh his evidence and not simply dismiss others. Appointed positions do not guarantee you are the best, it just generally means you are qualified and politically connected. The best lawyers do not always sit on the USSC just as the best doctors are not always selected to be Surgeon General.

    In addition, most medical professionals are not sufficiently trained to assess statistics of biological systems, as that is a multi year graduate area known as biomathematics or biostatistics, just as the vast majority of accountants are not qualified tax professionals due to the depth of knowledge required to be a subject matter expert.

    Bottom line. Dr. Fauci and other professionals have to work together to assess the conditions and be flexible to change as they learn more which may include admitting their previous assumptions were either faulty or inaccurate, as this is new territory. I’m sure you could find equally or more qualified folks that agree and disagree with him.

    That’s what it’s all about – being part of the intelligentsia like Michael Bloomberg, and hence, the reason you stoopid people at HHR don’t understand and should instead be helping the cause by digging holes and filling it with seed and covering it up with soul…it’s very simple people. Got it?

  381. Tina says:

    Comfortably Smug
    @ComfortablySmug
    INBOX: “From JANUARY”

    Tucker: “Why am I watching impeachment coverage all day?”

    Tom Cotton: “I suspect that months from now or perhaps even years from now when people look back at this time, coronavirus will be considered the bigger story than impeachment. I hope that’s wrong.”

  382. Proud Obamacon says:

    Dr. Fauci silenced. Welcome to Pravda.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  383. Tina says:

    We have a doctor who minimized the Coroanvirus and deep down was likely against. The China travel bam

    r. Anthony Fauci: “We have a ‘hint’ of positive evidence on anti-malaria drug.”

  384. Tina says:

    So, 2.5 months later, China Biden is now for the travel ban?

  385. VictrC says:

    Fortunately there is a record and we can go back and look at how the Dems and Biden called the Travel ban awful, bad, racist, xenophobic, etc.

    Even though the MSM won’t call them out on it, and Biden won’t be asked about it in the debate, Trump will remind them.

    BTW wtf is up with the press conferences and reporters questions. For every decent one about stats, or something paramount to the public, there are 10 gotcha questions.

    Dr. Birx laid into the pos reporter who kept trying to ask why Trump’s response to it was so bad.

  386. Tina says:

    7
    13
    29

    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls
    ·
    49m
    OHIO
    Trump 52% (+8)
    Generic Dem 44%
    .
    WISCONSIN
    Trump 49% (+4)
    Generic Dem 45%
    .
    PENNSYLVANIA
    Trump 50% (+3)
    Generic Dem 47%
    .
    MICHIGAN
    Generic Dem 48% (+1)
    Trump 47%

    @ChangePolls
    /
    @rbrtraining
    3/21-23
    https://rustbeltrising.com/files/March2020RBRpoll.pdf

  387. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Fortunately there is a record and we can go back”

    Yes I’m glad you are allowing us to go back. I can’t wait until we go back and watch your hero dismissing this, being soooo sloooooow to act, saying it will go away like a miracle one day, saying its just a cold or just a flu. Yeah, can’t wait sport.

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  388. Nancy Phucking Pelosi says:

    @405 You’re not going to ever get a girlfriend acting like that

  389. Nancy Phucking Pelosi says:

    @405 Roadkill Maggot is Trump’s bitch

  390. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is here?

    Ah yes, stock market was down.

    More deaths than yesterday, I am sure that will get him excited.

  391. jason says:

    “Ace Hardware plans to hire more than 30,000 employees as they see more demand for home repair items and cleaning products during the coronavirus pandemic. The Illinois-based hardware cooperative is hiring full-time, part-time and seasonal employees at its more than 4,300 stores across the U.S. Home improvement retailers, including Ace Hardware, usually do seasonal hiring in the spring.

    It’s the busiest season for the stores as people take advantage of warmer weather to garden or do home projects. This year, customers are turning to the stores during the pandemic, too, to get cleaning supplies or items for home maintenance and repairs as they stay indoors. Lowe’s, which also said it’s seen more business, and Home Depot are also looking to fill thousands of jobs.”

  392. jason says:

    “I’m sure you could find equally or more qualified folks that agree and disagree with him.”

    Well, that dog won’t hunt.

    That is exactly the point, I doubt there are any people more qualified than Dr. Fauci.

    “Dr. Fauci should weigh his evidence and not simply dismiss others”

    He wants to have clinical evidence so he can weigh it, I don’t see him dismissing anybody.

    “Bottom line. Dr. Fauci and other professionals have to work together to assess the conditions and be flexible to change as they learn more which may include admitting their previous assumptions were either faulty or inaccurate,”

    I am sure Dr. Fauci is perfectly willing to follow the evidence, which is why he says he would prescribe the drug himself. So far I see no “faulty or inaccurate” assumptions.

  393. jason says:

    NY had 680 deaths. As Montana surmised yesterday, probably some of yesterday’s deaths were computed today.

    I have a feeling it will be fewer tomorrow.
    l show up in tomorrow’s number.

    NJ had 109 deaths. That is way down from yesterday. Again, some deaths are probably not computed today and will show up tomorrow.

    Total cases for US were +32210, which is + 2336 from yesterday. Over 1200 were in NY.

    The increase in the rest of the country was quite small, less than 1000 more than yesterday.

  394. Country Dick Montana says:

    410- I don’t wish to argue about whether or not Dr. Fauci should be on the team. My reservations with him are summed up in this quote from him to CNN:

    “The tension between federally mandated versus states’ rights to do what they want is something I don’t want to get into,” Fauci said of a federal order to stay home. “But if you look at what is going on in this country, I do not understand why we are not doing that. We really should be.”

    Luckily unless Congress passes a law giving Trump the power to issue a national stay at home order, he can’t do it either. An excellent article here:

    https://reason.com/2020/04/03/no-trump-does-not-have-the-power-to-declare-a-national-stay-at-home-order/

  395. Country Dick Montana says:

    I am calling it a night. From last night:

    244 April 2, 2020 10:11 PM

    “Looking for 30526 cases and 1279 deaths tomorrow”

    We had 32284 new cases (off by 5%) and 1322 new deaths (off by 3.6%)

    For tomorrow 34643 new cases and 1303 deaths (fewer, but that what I am coming up with)

    Almost all of the acceleration is coming out of NY. The number of deaths outside of NY over the past 4 days have been 540,544,649 and 542.

  396. jason says:

    I am certainly against any national stay at home order.

  397. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just when your thinking what else could go wrong…earthquake.

  398. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Yes, centered near Anza north of Borrego Springs. Low roll, than a minute later a sharp jolt.

  399. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    As earthquakes go, sort of a dud.

  400. ssq says:

    God sent the shaking to kill the virus.

  401. Phil says:

    The Chinese have outdone themselves with today’s numbers. Only 19 new cases in all of China today and only four deaths.

    The great job the Chinese were already doing just gets better by the day!!!

  402. Tina says:

    Oh please 4.6

    That ain’t nuffin.

  403. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Ig Atkinson fired.

    He started hoaxpeschment and was caught up with Fisa, when he was in fib.

  404. Tina says:

    Right when Dr. birx was going to launch into the WHO AND CHINA, JIM ACOSTA interrupts her.

    What a rude pos.

  405. Tina says:

    I don’t think the corrupt SSIC and SOVIET Schiffty will take to the sacking of Atkinson.

  406. PresidentPaul! says:

    I still see this market as overvalues. Market cap to GDP was 136% during the height of great recession vs an actual higher cap 146% precorona.

    I think I saw we’re at 116%, which is still historically high.

    However, then take into account a fall in GDP which isn’t accounted for. usually the denominator is mostly increasing but we could see a market cap to GDP that is actually worse than the 146% if GDP falls enough.

  407. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina must be part Irish. She can really hold a grudge. She is obviously still pissed at Fauci for not hating Hillary so she has arrack him.

    I could not care less if he wore a MAGA hat OR put on an I Believe Anita t-shirt. He is brilliant and trying to save lives. None of us, except Dr. Pitch, saves anybody’s life.

  408. Bitterlaw says:

    Breaking News – If you die from the corona virus, your mortality rate is 100%

  409. Hugh says:

    Fauci. Virus not a serious threat. Jason: Fauci is brilliant. Believe everything he says. Which is it Jason who is never in doubt?

  410. Hugh says:

    I suggest dr Fauci not get paid while advising the country to bankrupt millions of America. Pompous nerd living in a bubble.

  411. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – Nobody at HHR thought it was a serious threat. Until it was. Fauci can change his views based on changing evidence. Apparently, you can’t.

  412. MichiganGuy says:

    Venezuelan Navy Vessel Sinks After Opening Fire on Cruise Ship.
    .
    https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/venezuelan-navy-vessel-sinks-after-opening-fire-on-cruise-ship/

  413. Hugh says:

    Actually I can. What I am saying is that the experts are driving the country off a cliff. Where maybe they could have considered a different path. My concern is the particularly with Fauci is that he does not believe we should get off this path until the risk of the virus is at a very low level. Yet beat I can tell when I put their statements together when we reduce social distancing it may just start right back up again. What then? I have elderly parents we are very careful about them. Makes sense. I have very healthy children and grandchildren who are about to kill each their spouses and are watching there years of hard work tank. My wife is in a panic though her risk of death from this virus is something between her risk of getting hit by lightning on the low end and getting killed in a car accident. I think we need to balance Fauci with experts in the various risks that come from continuing an almost complete shutdown of our country. Does that position sound extreme to you? FWIW my comments last night were partially died by bourbon.

  414. Hugh says:

    Driven not died. Ugh autocorrect

  415. Tina says:

    I guess Bl is fine with this:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    20h
    “This is not a major threat for the people in United States, and this is not something the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about” – Dr. Fauci to
    @gregkellyusa
    , Jan 21, 2020

  416. Tina says:

    We need to find out if China and Who are Dr. Fallacy’s benefactors.

    Also, let’s look into fallacy and bill gates.

  417. Bitterlaw says:

    Hugh – I agree with you in hindsight that there was a better, less restrictive way to do this. The law firm I work for may close because all of the shutdowns slashed billable hours. Of course, I hate where I work so it would not be the worst thing for me but ….

    Tina – You are unhinged. Dr. Fallacy? The most ridiculous of your many ridiculous nicknames. You are upset that a scientist wants scientific rather than anecdotal evidence? The dug seems promising. There is no long term study because this is a new virus. Both can be true.

    Your mistake was posting the link about Fauci being pro-Hillary. Now we can see that all of your anti-Fauci comments are caused by that.

  418. Bitterlaw says:

    I am fine with a doctor re-evaluating his or her conclusions based on new evidence. I am not fine with trashing an expert trusted by Tina’s hero because of how he felt about Hillary in 2016.

  419. MichiganGuy says:

    China Starts Mass Quarantines Again After Failing to Stop COVID-19
    .
    https://trendingpolitics.com/round-2-china-starts-mass-quarantines-again-after-failing-to-stop-covid-19/
    ———————————————————–
    I’m shocked! I really believed China was doing such an amazing job of controlling the Coronavirus /sarc

  420. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8187181/Keir-Starmer-vows-stamp-anti-Semitism-poison-new-Labour-leader.html

    Labour Party leader promises to end anti-Semitism in the party. Bunu hardest hit.

  421. jason says:

    So the Dr. Fauci haters have a problem with him changing his mind according to the evidence.

    I thought that is what they want him to do with chloroquine.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  422. jason says:

    Trump appointed Dr. Fauci, the foremost authority in the US on infectious diseases, and who along with Pence and Birx and the entire Coronavirus Taskforce has been doing an incredible job.

    On the other hand, Tina and Hugh can’t let go of “well but Fauci is a Democrat”.

    The small mindness is astounding.

  423. jason says:

    Your mistake was posting the link about Fauci being pro-Hillary. Now we can see that all of your anti-Fauci comments are caused by that.”

    Yep, that is what this is all about, isn’t it.

    Dr. Fauci could come up with the cure for coronavirus tomorrow, and Tina would be here slamming him for “praising Hillary”.

  424. jason says:

    Fauci. Virus not a serious threat. Jason: Fauci is brilliant. Believe everything he says. Which is it Jason who is never in doubt?”

    Zzzzzzz… what garbage and drivel.

    Dr. Fauci is a brilliant scientist. In January, like many experts he made statements based on the information available from China that turned out to be wrong because the Chinese and the WHO were putting out false information.

    As soon as Dr. Fauci became aware of the magnitude of the problem he acted accordingly.

    GFY.

  425. jason says:

    And of course genius and trash talking Hugh is very late to the party.

    I have been saying here for weeks that had I been Trump, I would have taken a different path. I would have tried to isolate the at risk population
    (no small job, it would have also taken a huge amount of resources) and not shut down the economy completely.

    This strategy had its own risks. Retail stores and other businesses would still have had reduced volume and many would not survive anyway. The airlines and cruise industries would still have been crushed. The MSM would blame EVERY death on Trump for not taking the more restrictive path.

    But Trump had no alternative politically, the MSM and the GOP would not have gone along.

    Regarding Fauci, of course he is going to want to keep things shut down as long as possible. That is his job, he wants to keep deaths to a minimum. Birx and the other experts say the same thing. That is their role.

    Trump will have to make the political, not medical decision as to when to reopen the economy.

    I think that start on May 1st, and even then with many restrictions in place.

  426. Hugh says:

    I happen to agree with that Jason. If you go back to my old comments you will see I have been pretty consistent about the approach and the bind trump was in. I was not late to the table.

  427. jason says:

    More tragic deaths for the Kennedys….

    Maybe they are cursed.

  428. jasonj says:

    Bitter, I think we should be thankful that Fauci is more willing to put country over politics than Tina.

  429. Big E says:

    Trump has come up with a political solution. Sunday he stated that we would lose 1000,000 to 250,000 citizens in two weeks. When that number falls far short he will have given himself cover to reopen the economy. He can declare that we moving in the right direction and open parts of the economy. He will appease the scientists by maintaining social distancing. Media and Democrats will be seen as debbie downers. Their arguments will fall on deaf ears because people will be ready to move on.

  430. Tina says:

    He is paid not to miss.

    Fallacy missed.

    You should be alarmed that he has lasted so long in dc.

  431. Tina says:

    Maybe an answer for Dr. Fallacy. But then again, how can you explain the low cases in the sf Bay Area?

    The Reckoning Collision symbol Retweeted

    Julie Kelly
    @julie_kelly2
    ·
    1h
    Urged CALM. Elmhurst community is home to one of NYCs Chinatowns. Most neighborhoods reporting COVID-19 positive rates of 60% or higher. Oddly, the media are uninterested in finding out why Queens is under siege—too busy going gaga over Cuomo:

  432. Bitterlaw says:

    Paid not to miss? That is the new standard? Good thing Trump is more realistic than Tina.

    Tina has a real problem now. She trusts Trump completely. Trump trusts Fauci. But she does not trust Fauci because he is a Democrat. Her mind can’t resolve those 3 issues.

  433. Tina says:

    Yeah you like those incompetent federal officials.

    Not my fault that he turned out to be another bumbling idiot.

  434. PresidentPaul! says:

    If Bernie had won, I really think we’d be entering a new dystopian phase of America.

    I’m sure Biden will be bad in the sense Obama was bad, but I don’t see him trying to push outright communism.

  435. Tina says:

    This was one of the questions from this presstitute yesterday.
    It should not have been asked. Sad that she does not know what a federal stock pile is and should be questioning states who have no state stockpiles.

    I believe this is the same reporter who lied about somebody calling it the Kung flu.

    https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1246208407985586179

  436. Tina says:

    LifeNews.com
    @LifeNewsHQ
    ABC trashes Vice President Mike Pence’s Christian faith:

    Do you “talk to God” about how many people you let die from the coronavirus?

    What a bigoted question!

    Who can proudly say they haven’t watched a single minute of ABC News all year! Happy woman raising one handHappy man raising one hand

    https://bit.ly/3bJkG8A

  437. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    3m
    I agree with this. Watch!
    Quote Tweet

    The Washington Times
    @WashTimes
    · Apr 2
    Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey https://bit.ly/2xKne7I

  438. Cash Cow TM says:

    I got a letter from Trump this morning.

    He has designated me as part of the Federal stock pile.

    #feelingrpoud

  439. jason says:

    Fauci is a bumbling idiot?

    LOL

    Fauci is a brilliant scientist and the foremost authority in infectious diseases in the US, maybe in the world. He has put country over ideology to take on a monumental task at 79 years old that he didn’t have to volunteer for. He has done a fabulous job so far, and is one of the main reasons that Trump has not lost popularity, because Fauci (and Birx) inspire confidence and competency. The MSM has a hard time trying to discredit them.

    On the other hand, he once praised Hillary.

  440. jason says:

    Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey”

    Tina doesn’t know the difference between a clinical trial and a “survey”.

    Not surprised.

  441. Phil says:

    European numbers from Germany, UK and Spain show marked improvement from the day before on new cases.

    Means nothing. Weekend numbers from Europe looked better last weekend as well. Something about weekends and the way the countries report on weekends. I think the numbers must be incomplete on weekends.

    Italy should be interesting when they come in today. French numbers not in but they really mean zip. Their daily numbers even on week days include dumps from previous days just thrown in.

  442. NYCmike says:

    I don’t understand Tina’s issue with Fauci. A bit overboard in my opinion, but not that big of a deal.

    I also don’t understand why others get so bent out of shape over the issue that Tina has. Fauci, in late January, was saying that this wasn’t a threat to us……maybe he should have listened to Senator Cotton…….and Trump should have listened to Senator Cotton as well.

  443. NYCmike says:

    In regard to hydroxychloroquine use, what is the main reason for it not being used more?

    Danger to patient? Unavailability? Cost of medicine?

    All 3?

    I understand that science has protocols to test and other rules/regulations, and for good reasons.

    BUT, if a patient is dying, and they want to try it, can’t they sign a waiver to make it happen?

  444. Big Joe says:

    Dang, the https://covid19.healthdata.org/ site has not been updated since the April 1 dump. It’s predicting approx 93,531 deaths with deaths peaking on April 16th (2,644 deaths on that date).

    Looking at numbers from other sources, it appears that # deaths is exceeding the predicted deaths which is likely to cause total projected deaths to increase.

    I know Jason is waiting on the edge of his seat for the latest projections! 😀

    Big Joe

  445. Tina says:

    NYC,

    Dr. Fallacy is clearly overmatched.

    Too long in gubment and made the wrong call on corona.

    One could giggle over the Hillary love notes. But death is occurring.

  446. Tina says:

    The head of the SSIC has spoken. He is upset.

    But this Russian hoaxer fails to note how bad the fisa abuses were under Atkinsons watch.

    Btw, how come he is not encouraging Soviet Schiffty to release the Atkinson transcript.

    https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1246270616208097280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1246437176851804162&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2F2020%2F04%2F04%2Fapril-4th-2020-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-1171%2F

  447. Pitchaboy says:

    Dr. Fauci May be a Democrat and a Clintonista. But he is a heck of a doctor with astounding work in infectious disease, immunology. He was blindsided by the deception of the Chinese. What bothers me is that if there were truly 10 times more cases and deaths than officially reported: was their an intelligence failure or cover up. With all those satellites and GPS tracking, how could it be missed?

  448. Tina says:

    This is the bottom line. Continue down the cliff with Dr. Fallacy or get some new people in there:

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    Apr 3
    I’m going to say it..

    @realDonaldTrump
    is not being well served by the deep state health officials.

    They dismissed this in early Jan. He’s damned if he follows their advice and damned if he doesn’t.

    Time for some fresh medical eyes and opinions from outside govt..

  449. SusyQue says:

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

    I do not trust Dr. Fuaci. He is a big Clinton fan…
    I totally think he misled the President, the CDC and the nation with bad, inadequate advice from the get go and then plants his ‘soft smear’ bait agaimst the administration during his interviews with mainstream media outlets. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing right now and is deep state cahoots with the Democrats as an insider being used to bring down the economy and harm the Presidents efforts

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

    Those haters are serious and ruthless.
    Sorry, if that doesn’t sit well with anyone, but my gut feeling is it is a well orchestrated hit job on American and globally to advance a focus on driving us to a one world order in the near future. #don’ttrustfauci

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

  450. Tina says:

    Fallacy wants it all shut down.

    John Cardillo
    @johncardillo
    ·
    Apr 3
    I’m going to say it..

    @realDonaldTrump
    is not being well served by the deep state health officials.

    They dismissed this in early Jan. He’s damned if he follows their advice and damned if he doesn’t.

    Time for some fresh medical eyes and opinions from outside govt..

  451. dblaikie says:

    The huge problem with the model is that so far only a few states seem to be dealing with huge community spread. Once New York and New Jersey, and to a lesser extent LA and Michigan, turn the corner, unless a bunch of other states go out of control then the fatalities will drop like a stone.

  452. jason says:

    Looking at numbers from other sources, it appears that # deaths is exceeding the predicted deaths which is likely to cause total projected deaths to increase.”

    Actually, no, Big Joe, that is wrong.

    NY is driving the death total, and the model predicts a lot more NYs. But in reality, in the last few days the rate outside NY has been below projections, not above.

    So that may still happen, we will have to wait and see.

  453. jason says:

    Tina and ssq on the same page.

    I rest my case.

  454. Pitchaboy says:

    PA is now on the upslope. The initial read is a flattened curve

  455. Tina says:

    Dr. Fallacy admits his model is Sheot.

    Lawrence Polyakov
    @Larrypolya22
    ·
    1h
    Using NYC as a model for the rest of the country will result in our country remaining on lockdown until May. Every model they have used to justify destroying our country has been wrong. There are enough facts on the ground to extrapolate the fact America is not NYC

  456. Tina says:

    And the Rinos says he is “doing well.”

    Lawrence Polyakov
    @Larrypolya22
    ·
    1h
    The same msm that adores Cuomo would’ve absolutely destroyed him if he was an R because his state is the hardest hit state by far, was the least prepared state by far-and NYC was the last major city to close schools and everything else. But cuz he’s a D, they’ll ignore all that

  457. jason says:

    Cardillo is a moron.

    “They dismissed this in early Jan. ”

    That is what they have to discredit Fauci?

    Really?

    Geezus.

  458. Tina says:

    Is the SSIC “head” going to comment on Atkinson?

    I know he is under investigation for insider trading.

  459. PresidentPaul! says:

    465
    It is being used, and widely by almost every single hospital.

    I seriously doubt it works that well though.

  460. PresidentPaul! says:

    Not to mention all these people in vtach or fib well what did that!

  461. Pitchaboy says:

    HCQ is being used. Wrongly, I would submit. Once you get Intubated you need divine intervention. This drug should be used early in high risk patients to prevent deterioration. Those results should be available next month.

  462. NYCmike says:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-news-social-distancing-is-not-happening-on-the-nyc-subway/ar-BB121G5S

    -This is appalling!

    I don’t know what the heck people are thinking, but I do not understand this one bit.

  463. NYCmike says:

    Pitchaboy,

    Hydro/Zinc/Zpack – do you know of this being used anywhere outside Monroe, NY?

  464. Big Joe says:

    #474, Jason-

    “Actually, no, Big Joe, that is wrong.”

    What’s wrong? The prediction that the model will project higher number of deaths? Or the deaths themselves?

    Big Joe

  465. Big Joe says:

    I think the projections go up, but the projections themselves look dubious to me. Of course, I’m no expert.

    Big Joe

  466. Big Joe says:

    We’ll know soon enough if the model was accurate. Just 12 days until peak day and then a slow drop-off. (again, per Jason’s favorite model 🙂 )

    Big Joe

  467. Pitchaboy says:

    Yes NYC. We use it in SE PA. Some do HCQ alone. Much of NYC dropped Z pack due to cardiac issues with HCQ in sick patients. Being used in NJ as a combo by a Dr. Stephen Smith. He loves it.

  468. NYCmike says:

    Pitch,

    Just so I am clear – they are using the Zinc as well? With the Hydroxy?

    I haven’t heard that very much in the news.

  469. lisab says:

    With all those satellites and GPS tracking, how could it be missed?
    ———-

    people were even on hhr saying the chinese were lying

    twitter et al. had many people saying that the chinese were under reporting cases

  470. Pitchaboy says:

    The guy in NJ uses the full combo. Most are using HCQ alone

  471. Vicrtrc says:

    So it seems world meter added total tests taken yesterday. Today they added total tests taken per million people

    With that we can see that the US is way ahead of anyone else in testing, by about 50+%. Could that be why tests per/M was added? Makes Iceland, Norway, etc look good and US bad

  472. jason says:

    What’s wrong? The prediction that the model will project higher number of deaths? Or the deaths themselves?”

    Facts don’t match your conclusion. I don’t know what the “other sources” are, but what is driving the new death numbers are NY and NJ. Of the +753 new deaths as of 2 PM, 547 are NY and NJ.

    So unless it can be shown that once the NY and NJ curves peak and start descending these deaths will be copied by new “NYs and NJs” at the same rate and volume, there is more reason to think we might end of on the lower side of the estimate rather then the middle or upper side, because the model is so skewed to the numbers in these 2 states.

    In any case the mid-range of the model for today is 1360. Let’s see where we end up.

  473. NYCmike says:

    Thanks, Pitch.

  474. jason says:

    (again, per Jason’s favorite model”

    Huh, not my favorite model.

    Never said, implied or thought that.

    Models are only as good as the data you put it to them, and even then they are like polls, a snapshot of that moment.

    Like polls, they are poor predictors of future results.

  475. jason says:

    If you input an abnormal set of data and then extrapolate that, the results will be horrendously wrong.

    Right now, NY and NJ are skewing the results. The prediction that the rest of the country will copy NY and NJ, it is just a matter of time, is still to be seen.

  476. Pitchaboy says:

    When u report testing it is crucial to know how big a populous scanned. Iceland is by far the best. While US has done more tests than others, our testing is primarily geared to people with overt symptoms or exposure. Iceland did minimally symptomatic people as well . Of course, Iceland’s population is like Rhode Island.

  477. Big Joe says:

    “Facts don’t match your conclusion”

    Just a friendly reminder, it’s not my model nor my conclusion. This is the “Chris Murray” model that was one of the models referenced by Dr. Birx at a recent WH presser. The President and VP referenced it numerous times as well. I’m neither endorsing not rejecting it, just reporting the numbers.

    Next update is supposed to be sometime today.

    Big Joe

  478. NYCmike says:

    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/04/03/additional-evidence-coronavirus-accidentally-released-chinese-lab/

    -Senator Cotton was ridiculed when he said this back in January……I wonder if this will ever be proven.

  479. Big Joe says:

    Nice, grabbed the D without even trying. Mad Skillz

    Big Joe

  480. NYCmike says:

    https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2020/04/loeffler-dumped-travel-stock-just-trump-barred-travel-us-europe/

    -Doesn’t make much sense to have bought in the first place…..but this won’t help the image being made.

  481. jason says:

    Just a friendly reminder, it’s not my model nor my conclusion.”

    Just a friendly reminder. Since you didn’t quote it or reference any source, I assumed it was your conclusion>

    “Looking at numbers from other sources, it appears that # deaths is exceeding the predicted deaths which is likely to cause total projected deaths to increase.”

  482. jason says:

    Speaking of being behind the curve….

    “Bill de Blasio Rejects Claim U.S. Knew Asymptomatic People Could Spread the Virus: Only Learned That ‘In the Last 48 Hours’

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  483. Big Joe says:

    “Huh, not my favorite model.

    Never said, implied or thought that.”

    I was kidding. Jason really doesn’t like this model 😀 😀

    I tend to agree with you, Jason. If NY/NJ data is being used to predict overall US numbers, that would be faulty. The cause of the NY/NJ spike is now known and other areas are adjusting. NY/NJ are predicted to peak in 5 to 6 days and then start dropping off.

    Looking at the state-level projections, there are big states like Texas, Florida, and Georgia that are not going to peak until between Apr 20 – 30.

    So it may be possible that larger urban areas will not mirror NY/NJ, but the death numbers could remain elevated due to lower spikes but over a greater number of areas.

    Again, the methodology and assumptions behind the model are mostly unknown. All we know is that the model assumes that mitigating actions are being taken through May and NY/NJ trends are taken into account. But there are a lot of unknowns.

    Big Joe

  484. VictrC says:

    Pitch. Thank you for adding that, and I understand. Our per/M number will continue to go up as our testing goes up naturally (I see were testing about 200k people per day now), and appreciate your note that Iceland (great place BTW) has a population that is the size of Rhode Island and all concentrated in a space the size of the NYC Metro area (or less).

    My point was I believe it was added so journalists here could point to something to make us look bad.

    With that said, and this is for you Pitch, I hear over and over again (Acosta yesterday when he mansplained to Dr. Brix that Trump didn’t do enough in January) that Trump could have stopped this if he acted in January, or February 1 the latest. My question is, is that actually true.

    To the rest of you, what would have been the reaction if Trump, on February 1, shut down the economy and had everyone stay in their home. My guess is they would have said he’s diverting attention from Impeachment. Ok, so how about February 15. Would the country have agreed to social distancing, sports shut down, restaurants, bars, businesses shut down based on the evidence Feb 15.

    Let’s we remember Cuomo said March 3 stay at home wasn’t needed, and March 14 De Blasio told everyone to go out and visit bars, and restaurants and have parties (paraphrasing).

  485. VictrC says:

    To wit, reported cases of Corona in US

    Feb 15. – 15
    March 1 – 30

    Would Americans have agreed to shut down the economy and stay at home with 15 cases reported and the data from China being what it was on February 15? February 1?

    Heck, Costa yesterday said Trump should have acted sooner in January. Seriously, January is when they are now claiming Trump should have acted. I guess imposing the Defense Production Act to demand companies do what the government says… in January/

  486. Tina says:

    China Biden now wants a supply commander in charge. Trump already appointed a military officer to this position 15 days ago.

    China Biden now admits that the travel an was not racist and is needed.

    China Biden was 2 months too late.

  487. lisab says:

    i think trump’s health advisors had to prepare for the worst (or at least bad) case scenario, not the best or even expected case

    we are already seeing the media ask if trump acted soon enough? how many people died because trump did not act?

    at the time they made the social distancing decision, it was not clear how many people would die from this. chloroquine was not even being touted by fake financial traders’ yet

    imagine if trump didn’t act and 2 million people died?

  488. jason says:

    Fair enough Big Joe, good analysis.

  489. Big Joe says:

    “Just a friendly reminder. Since you didn’t quote it or reference any source, I assumed it was your conclusion>”

    #504, Jason-

    Actually, I did reference the source and referred to the prediction as “it’s predicting approx 93,351 deaths …” (ie, reference model’s) prediction. And this was directly prior to the line from my post you quoted. Here’s more from that post:

    Dang, the https://covid19.healthdata.org/ site has not been updated since the April 1 dump. It’s predicting approx 93,531 deaths with deaths peaking on April 16th (2,644 deaths on that date).

    Looking at numbers from other sources, it appears that # deaths is exceeding the predicted deaths which is likely to cause total projected deaths to increase.

    Again, I’m not endorsing this model. I think it’s interesting to follow it day by day as it’s heavily referenced by Dr. Birx and decisions are being made by the President, VP, and local leadership based on what it’s saying.

    Big Joe

  490. Tina says:

    I want a study on the China travel ban.

    Cases are light in sf Bay Area. (And ca)

    Nuisance is working well with the trump administration. He has done way better than the Venhoarder Cuomo.

  491. Tina says:

    Presser co omg up at 3;:30 est.

    This message is for big joe, who now likes them.

  492. jason says:

    In the good news dept, we have 15k recovered in the US, soon to be a lot more.

    These “lucky” people can start throwing parties and inviting each other.

  493. jason says:

    I am only interested in what Birx and Fauci say at the pressers.

    I have no patience for Trump mumbling out numbers and the Pravda press members trying to outdo each other on who can ask the most despicable question.

  494. jason says:

    Mr President, how many of the 2.2 million deaths are you personally going to take responsibility for?

  495. jason says:

    Mr. President, do you think your inaction on the virus will cause 1 million deaths or do you think it could be as low as 500 thousand?

  496. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “An international poll of thousands of doctors rated the Trump-touted anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine the best treatment for the novel coronavirus.
    Of the 6,227 physicians surveyed in 30 countries, 37 percent rated hydroxychloroquine the “most effective therapy” for combating the potentially deadly illness, according to the results released Thursday.
    The survey, conducted by the global health care polling company Sermo, also found that 23 percent of medical professionals had prescribed the drug in the US — far less than other countries.
    “Outside the US, hydroxychloroquine was equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the US it was most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients,” the survey found.
    The medicine was most widely used in Spain, where 72 percent of physicians said they had prescribed it.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

  497. jason says:

    Mr President, we have run out of ventilators, is it true you ordered that only Republicans who contributed to your campaign are now allowed to use them?

  498. jason says:

    That is old news SDC, I posted it yesterday, and so did other people.’

    But it is good news.

  499. Big Joe says:

    #514, Tina-

    Thanks. I actually only watched that one briefing. I think it was Tuesday or Wednesday. I’ll try to catch today’s, but it’s a beautiful 75 degree day and I am late in getting garden ready.

    Big Joe

  500. jason says:

    Mr. President, is it true you told the CEOS of any company getting a bailout that they would have to use your hotels exclusively for their travel needs?

  501. jason says:

    Yeah, and now Big Joe already knows what all the presser questions are going to be.

  502. Tina says:

    Big joe, it’s raining here.

    I hurt my right leg. So I have nothing else to do.

    I am out of limoncello and opus.

    I do have white cheddar popcorn.

  503. Big Joe says:

    Jason’s predictions are noted. Let’s see how well he performs!

    Big Joe

  504. NYCmike says:

    “Would Americans have agreed to shut down the economy and stay at home with 15 cases reported and the data from China being what it was on February 15? February 1?”

    -I don’t think so.

    Could you imagine Trump cancelling the Super Bowl (not that I much care)? He would have been run out of town!

  505. Big Joe says:

    Oh man, wish you a speedy recovery, Tina.

    Big Joe

  506. Tina says:

    Would he have shut it down during impeachment?

  507. Tina says:

    Saagar Enjeti
    @esaagar
    ·
    1m
    Really enjoying the current establishment Dem freak out over Rogan floating voting for Trump over Biden

    Implication from them is anyone who is on the fence is not welcome in their coaliton. Let them carry on! Plenty of room on the other side

  508. Tina says:

    Yes, he credited Dana perrino for the idea.

    Quote Tweet

    Bloomberg
    @business
    · 42m
    President Trump said the notion of creating a second White House coronavirus task force to examine how best to reopen the country’s economy was a “good idea” https://trib.al/TEzlVO4

  509. jason says:

    I think Trump did what he could with the information and advice he had available.

    IF he was prescient, he could avoided 90% of the damage by merely shutting down all air travel to the US for 90 days starting in February.

    But he would have been impeached.

  510. jason says:

    I had the same idea when I was driving around today.

    A task force on how to re-open the economy.

  511. Tina says:

    Big Joe.

    I don’t know how one could vote for China Biden.

    You have to admit that his copy and paste trump plans are weeks to months late.

    I also did not blame obumbler for h1n1.

  512. jason says:

    Hey, Walt, who is this idiot.

    https://www.wboy.com/news/health/coronavirus/monongalia-county-health-department-restricts-liquor-sales-to-state-residents/

    Btw, you can still buy liquor online in PA, and wine and beer in some supermarkets and beer at beer distributors which are all open.

  513. jason says:

    Some online sites are offering 1 hour delivery in PA…can’t beat it, takes me almost that long to go to a liquor store.

    https://drizly.com/alcohol-delivery/pa/re42

  514. NYCmike says:

    “A task force on how to re-open the economy.”

    -FYI, Mark Levin has been speaking about it for at least a week, if not more.

  515. NYCmike says:

    I was listening to Cuomo’s press conference earlier.

    Was mentioning FDR, help from Oregon, other things…..oh so calming like Obama…….I believe he thinks he is running.

    Time will tell.

    If he does, I wonder if Newsome would try and jump in as well, IF California keeps on its current Wuhan trajectory.

  516. VictrC says:

    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why he didn’t act earlier?
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why he didn’t order more ventilators
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why he wasn’t prepared for this
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo how many deaths was acceptable?
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why he said that NY didn’t need to stay at home in early March?
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why he is still saying he doesn’t have enough ventilators when he’s not using all that he has?
    Did any journalist ask Cuomo why someone with corona was put on the ship sent by the Trump admin to help with non corona patients?

  517. NYCmike says:

    “Did any journalist ask Cuomo why someone with corona was put on the ship sent by the Trump admin to help with non corona patients?”

    -Is this correct?

    I have not heard that.

  518. VictrC says:

    NYC
    Yes, this morning or last night, not sure, corona patients were sent to the ship the admin sent up to help with non corona patients

    Fortunately the Navy caught it when they got there, and supposedly there was no infection spread.

    I’m sure Acosta or CBS or MSNBC will blame Trump in 3, 2, 1…

  519. Pitchaboy says:

    Trump could have shut the borders back in January. Even after he banned regions of China, over half a million people from China and well over a million from Europe cane here between Jan 21 and March 15. But, if he did that, he would be shutting down the country after a couple of cases on the West Coast: not even Republicans would have given him cover.
    Remember, NYC, the first two states in the battle, WA and CA did great. We lost the war from 3/7 to 3/22 in a place called NYC.

  520. NYCmike says:

    Pitch,

    My wife and I were arguing a bit about sending my son to school those weeks, since he has some issues with asthma.

    Thankfully, he didn’t get sick at all.

  521. NYCmike says:

    VictrC,

    I had heard that Trump and Cuomo agreed that the Javits could become a corona hospital.

    I did not hear about the ship mishap.

    Glad the sailors caught it!

  522. Tina says:

    How does that mistake even occur? Wtf is venthoarder doing?

  523. NYCmike says:

    “How does that mistake even occur? Wtf is venthoarder doing?”

    -Exactly!

    You would think that the vehicle transporting those patients would have full preventative gear on.

  524. Pitchaboy says:

    The country’s main portal of entry was not mitigating. Explosion followed. Thank God your kid safe

  525. VictrC says:

    LOL. File this under you can’t make this sh t up.

    Cuomo now calls the virus the “enemy.” Gee. I wonder where he got this from.

    Daily press conferences, a couple hours before Trump. Check
    Softball questions. Check
    Blaming any mistake on Trump. Check
    Now calling it the enemy so he looks like a wartime President. Check

    He’s not running for President, but…just in case it should happen…

  526. Tina says:

    Question: will the presstitutes wear masks to the presser?

    May be hard to fit one mask over the other.

  527. Tina says:

    It is funny how China Biden just plagiarizes trumps policies to confront Coronavirus.

    Now tough guy, venthoarder is acting like a

  528. Tina says:

    The Reckoning ?
    @sethjlevy
    ·
    32m
    #ChinaIsAsshoe
    Quote Tweet

    Amber Athey
    @amber_athey
    · 39m
    NEW: A senior admin official tells me that China forced Italy to buy back the same PPE they had donated to China at the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak

    “China then has sent Italian PPE back to Italy … and charged them for it,” the official said.

    https://spectator.us/italy-china-ppe-sold-coronavirus/

  529. Tina says:

    Chinaisasshoe is a video from a person interviewed from Hong Hong.

  530. Tina says:

    On the economic impact, we were told by the presstitutes that this could not happen:

    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1246449878219145216/photo/1

  531. NYCmike says:

    On something else for a minut……Ca$h Cow, Thanks for alerting me to the death of Bill Withers.

    I am only now realizing who it was that wrote and sang so many songs that I have loved since I was a kid!

  532. Big Joe says:

    #534, Tina-

    “I don’t know how one could vote for China Biden.”

    Tina, it’s likely that between 65 million and 70 million people will cast their ballot for Grampa Joe. Maybe even more.

    The HHR universe is a lot different than the country outside of HHR.

    Big Joe

  533. VictrC says:

    Big Joe

    With all due respect, I think those at HHR are aware that many Dems will vote for any Dem, no matter how bad, because of their hatred for Trump, for Republicans, for Conservatives.

    With that said, I think Liberals live in a bigger bubble. I know so many of my friends can not fathom that anyone could vote for Trump, yet, with the election seven months away, he has just as much a chance at winning as does Biden. He will also garner between 65M – 70M votes.

  534. jason says:

    “The HHR universe is a lot different than the country outside of HHR.”

    Maybe.

    But what is for sure there is a whole country out there the insular group think liberal intelligentsia doesn’t know whether to insult or to ignore.

  535. Pitchaboy says:

    Big Joe,
    You are a terrific guy but Trump will win or lose in the next 4 weeks. If we are well on the downslope and getting open by May 15, with mortality numbers of 60 k or so, he wins big. If we are still on the upslope, he is likely toast. The thoroughbred dems will vote for Biden. But, if we are on the mend, indies will thank him for his leadership with their vote.

  536. jason says:

    Scumbag Romney feels left out with all this coronavirus st-ff so he wrote he is joining forces with Tester to see if he can get a headline and an interview.

    “Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Friday released a letter with Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) calling on President Trump to comply with the oversight requirements Congress attached to the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package signed into law last week.”

  537. Country Dick Montana says:

    Why anyone would vote Democrat or for any poltician who believes in more government is beyond me. We have seen an economic collapse like no other primarily due to those same politicians intentionally shutting down the economies of their states’. That is what happens. That is socialism.

  538. Tina says:

    Trump

    We have to open our country.

  539. Big Joe says:

    #556, Vic-
    Always a pleasure to interact with you, my friend. Let’s go back to 2016. There was a lot of talk about how Trump was a bad candidate and how can anyone vote for Trump. In the end Republicans coalesced and cast their ballots for Trump because: 1) They love Trump, 2) They vote for their team, 3) Hillary hatred.

    Now in 2020, the roles are reversed. Biden is now the Trump-like candidate and Trump is Hillary. Many Democrats don’t particularly care for Grampa Joe but they will vote for the D candidate for the same reasons R’s voted for Trump in 2016.

    That said, there are some differences in these scenarios. Trump should benefit from being the incumbent, so advantage Trump in 2020. Trump also benefited in 2016 as he was the challenger against a party going for 3 wins in a row, historically a difficult thing to accomplish.

    I think both candidates can top 70 million votes and that would be incredible and possibly scary at the same time. Good that people are engaged, not good at the hopeless division.

    Big Joe

  540. jason says:

    Romney really is a disgusting POS.

  541. Tina says:

    ? Don’t Eat Bats ?
    @k_ovfefe2
    ·
    21m
    President Trump: “it is critical that certain media outlets stop spreading fake rumors and panic … Wait until this is over and then go back to your fake news” ????

  542. Tina says:

    FDA prioritizing anti malaria drug.

    It appears that those who are taking it for lupus are not getting the Coronavirus

    Nothing Dr. Fallacy can say about it.

  543. Paul says:

    With any more press conferences like today, Trump’s chances at reelection become slimmer.

  544. Tina says:

    None of the presstitutes are masked.

  545. Big Joe says:

    #558-

    Thanks Pitch! Your scenarios sounds plausible. I really don’t believe that there are many undecideds or voters who can be swayed, the number may be like 2%. These days, you’re either a D or an R, or you lean heavily in one direction and seemingly nothing can get people to change their minds. That 2% could be big though.

    Big Joe

  546. Tina says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    · 2m
    “Somebody ought to sue his ass off” — Trump says of Ukraine whistleblower

  547. Pitchaboy says:

    The fiesty Trump is back. He looked like he saw a ghost few days ago. Senses a turnaround, perhaps.

  548. Tina says:

    Ig atkinson is a disgrace.

    The presstitutes should also know that Atkinson is a coup plotter.

    He is behind the series of fisa abuses.

  549. jason says:

    Anything interesting at the presser?

    Didn’t watch today.

  550. Tina says:

    Shem Horne
    @Shem_Infinite
    ·
    33s
    A reporter asks President Trump about a tweet that Joe Biden sent. President Trump says that Biden doesn’t write them, he has Democrat operatives do it, and “He’s probably not even watching right now, and if he is, he doesn’t understand understand what he’s watching.” ???

  551. jason says:

    But since Paul didn’t like it is a good indication Trump did well.

  552. Bitterlaw says:

    Maybe Tina can explain why Trump, who can do no wrong in her eyes, has kept Fauci, who can do nothing right in her eyes.

  553. Big Joe says:

    #560, Dick-

    Are you suggesting that you agree with the H1N1 response and disagree with the Covid-19 response?

    Big Joe

  554. jason says:

    This seem positive.

    Cuomo

    “There are 15,905 people currently hospitalized. Cuomo said two-thirds of hospitalized patients have been discharged, and the total number of hospitalizations dipped yesterday.”

  555. Victrc says:

    Jason. – Trump is in a mood today to not be messed with. LOL

    Look, if you do these every day of the week, work your tail off 20 hours a day non stop during this crisis, youre going to have days that are different than others.

    He’s not a natural politician, which is his appeal to some, a fault for others, and he goes off on tangents at times.

    Today, best comment was, “overall there are good journalists here, not all of you though.

  556. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    575. Bitter, don’t confuse people with the facts.

  557. Bitterlaw says:

    Cuomo can not do anything right. He is a Democrat.

    – Tinabot

  558. VictrC says:

    Bitter – no offense but I think many here, and the President himself, have said that Cuomo has overall done a good job, and he has. 100%.

    At the same time you can not be blind to the adoration of the press and the lack of questioning of any his very very poor decisions as well.

    I want to be clear. NO ONE (except Jesus himself) can do everything right, especially in a crisis that no one else has faceted before, so criticizing Cuomo for what he said March 3rd is absurd, just as its absurd to (as Acosta did) blame Trump for not acting in January. JANUARY!!!!!

  559. Tina says:

    Bl missed me praising Newsom.

    I used his nickname nuisance,

    But, Bl is like China Biden, he is old and just cannot keep up.

  560. Paul says:

    Today’s press conference helps to give the Trump cultists that tingling sensation up their legs. However, it turns off independents and motivates the Democrats.

  561. Bitterlaw says:

    Vic – I agree. Tina deals in absolutes. I do not. Every politician has made mistakes in this crisis. I do not think Cuomo is perfect. I understand the MSM motivation. I give credit to Trump, Cuomo, Fauci, etc. when it is due regardless of politics.

  562. jason says:

    I don’t really know how well Cuomo is actually managing the crisis, or if he took action soon enough. I always thought he was a moron and it would not surprise me if he still was.

    What I credit him is that he decided early that this was not the right time for pure politicking and gotcha moments, and that it would be best for his constituents if he had a good relationship with the federal government, i.e. Trump.

    For a hard leftist partisan like him, it must have been hard.

    So I think Cuomo has put his state and his constituents above party and politics, not entirely, but significantly.

    For that he deserves credit.

    That woman in MI, on the other hand, thinks this is just an opportunity to wear T-shirts, send messages, and play politics. A real dingbat.

  563. George says:

    Dr.Birx hides behind the vagaries of the models and essentially doesn’t say anything in her comments.

  564. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzz. Almost nobody agrees with you about Dr. Fauci. Not even NYC who loves to disagree with me.

  565. Tina says:

    Rosie memos
    @almostjingo
    ·
    6m
    “How many deaths EXACTLY are you expecting” is one of the most dumbass questions this pool has asked, who was that?

  566. Tina says:

    And nobody here agreed with me in January (before the president) calling for the China travel ban.

    Bitterlaw says:
    April 4, 2020 at 5:47 pm
    Zzzzzzzzzzz. Almost nobody agrees with you about Dr. Fauci. Not even NYC who loves to disagree with me.

  567. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – Tina called me old and feeble like Biden. Points!

  568. Tina says:

    Dr fallacy’s wisdom

    Bill Mitchell
    @mitchellvii
    · 3h
    SERIOUSLY, WTF?

    Fauci told others there are too many variables to make the models reliable: “I’ve looked at all the models. I’ve spent a lot of time on the models. They don’t tell you anything. You can’t really rely upon models.”

    His 200k dead is based on a model. #smh

  569. Tina says:

    You need all the points you can get.

  570. Country Dick Montana says:

    576 – This is not about the response, it is about what happens with government control.

    As I stated before, this economic collapse is not a failure of capitalism. It is primarily due to Governors intentionally shutting down their states’ economies, i.e. Government control, picking “winners and losers” as to what is essential and what is not. Requiring people not to work, depriving them of their livelyhoods. The people who have suffered the most are primarily at the lower end of the economic spectrum, (with the exception of our $40/hour union construction workers here in PA, which is from our idiot Governor Wolf who is the only one in country NOT allowing construction. But I digress.)Among the winners chosen are our state and government employees who still get paychecks for sitting home. Remember 10 million people in the last 2 weeks have filed unemployment claims, over 40 time the previous weekly average for the last several years. That is the government’s doing. They own it.

    Whether the response of taking $5 to 10 trillion of lost wealth and $10 Billion of lost wages/week out of the economy was worth saving 2 million lives ($2,500,000 to $5,000,000 per life) will be left to history to decide. There are going to be long term social costs to the decisions made by our so called leaders, not the least of which is how much freedom are we willing to suspend and how much more power do we give to the government. To Trumps credit he realizes that he does not have the authority to lock us all down, and thank goodness for that.

    My preference from the beginning was to isolate the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions
    (I fit into both of those categories) and let the rest get on with it.

    Now BJ, there are several Democrat posters here and I have tried to engage them in asking what they would they have had the President do differently? You seem to be a step ahead of a few of them, so I will ask you. What should Trump have done differently without stepping on the American citizens basic freedoms?

    Democrats always lean towards more government and bureaucracy. The other thing I want to ask you is do you think that anyone in the government, elected or bureaucrat is smarter than you to the point that they can dictate to you how you have to live? For me, I haven’t found one yet.

  571. Bitterlaw says:

    In Tina’s world, Trump is never wrong. Trump is wrong about Fauci. Both cannot be true.

  572. Country Dick Montana says:

    So the models are showing that NY, Detroit and New Orleans peaks in the next week or so. That is over 50% of the deaths. That is probably the peak of the current outbreak.

  573. VictrC says:

    The US has done more tests today, with the except of 7 nationals, than any other nation has done cumulatively to date.

  574. pitchaboy says:

    I can tell you how well Cuomo has handled the crisis. Terrible. He talks a good talk but does a poor walk. He refused to move when WA and CA were moving decisively. He then could not deal with Deblasio (poor leadership skills) and now NY is out of control. What he is doing now, is talking nice, begging the feds and then giving them backhanded compliments. If he was a R, the press would have excoriated him. When he had a chance to flatten the curve like the West Coast did, he was asleep. NY has ripple affected NJ and PA and CT.

  575. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fauci stated that “up to 200,000” could die in a worst case scenario. This is a reasonable estimate.

    Fauci cannot formally recommend the use chloroquine until it has gone through the normal testing protocol, and is approved by the FDA. However, Fauci has supported its use by doctors under the compassionate use program, which he helped create. Fauci has indicated he might prescribe chloroquine to a patient as a doctor.

  576. Tina says:

    And more of dr. Fallacy:

    “If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship.” – Dr. Anthony Fauci, March 9, 2020.

  577. Tina says:

    Why else would there be layoffs?

    MrDIRT
    @SidtheKidd87
    · 2h
    I just went to the biggest hospital in pgh. Parking lot is empty and I talked to a nurse. She said the hospital laid off 3/4 of staff. No virus patients. Doctors are pissed off they are losing there practices
    Upmc shadyside.
    #MAGA #coronavirus
    @realDonaldTrump

  578. lisab says:

    if biden gets 65 million votes, he probably wins

    i don’t thin he gets there

  579. pitchaboy says:

    Hospital business is crashing. They make the bulk of the money with routine radiologic and surgical procedures done as an outpatient. They break even or lose with in patient admissions as the reimbursements are often bundled and terrible. All outpatient work has ground to a halt in the North East at this time and it is Corona all the time. They are getting staff for ER and in hospital, but furlough of out patient staff is being done in many places, especially smaller community hospitals.

  580. Big Joe says:

    #595, Dick-

    This is obviously a very complicated situation and brings up a fundamental question. How much power are we the people willing to put into the hands of our governments (federal, state, and local) to deal with pandemics and such that affect

    That’s a tough question to answer and you can guarantee that any answer will please half the country and infuriate the other half.

    In a free society, governments would not respond (or provide a limited response) to pandemics such as Covid-19. According to models, several million people would perish. Maybe that’s acceptable to some, unacceptable to others. Maybe there’s a Goldilocks Compromise in there somewhere. Who knows.

    That would be a nice academic discussion. But for the purposes of dealing with the situation today, our government is what it is. A national response is expected (justified or not) and it appears that our leaders are mostly on the same page as far as public health. If one is going to use 20-20 hindsight, then one should remember that leaders from both parties were slow to react. Perhaps a calculation was being made behind the scenes that they would not step in unless things were going to get really bad. When it looked like things would get really bad, actions were taken.

    I’m fine with the government’s response. It sounded like you would have preferred the government to intervene less, as it did with H1N1, so that’s why I asked.

    As for your proposal of isolating the elderly and sick. Isn’t the government picking winners and losers here too? How does the government decide who is sick? What if an older person is healthy and wants to work and provide for his/her family, should the government force that person into isolation? Could a president force a political rival into isolation? Are you proposing that government bureaucrats show up at every door in the US and administer a test? I’m not trying to be difficult. I’m just illustrating that this is a very complicated situation with no easy answers.

    Big Joe

  581. Big Joe says:

    Hmm first para got cut off.. Here’s the full paragraph.

    This is obviously a very complicated situation and brings up a fundamental question. How much power are we the people willing to put into the hands of our governments (federal, state, and local) to deal with pandemics and such that affect *us on a national scale.*

  582. Big Joe says:

    #604, Lisa-

    “if biden gets 65 million votes, he probably wins”

    That means he under-performs Hillary ’16.
    This is a certain loss in my opinion.

    He needs at least 68M, and enough votes in the right states (PA, MI, WI, AZ)

    Big Joe

  583. Country Dick Montana says:

    606, 607 – Reasonable responses. It is a little bit different picking economic winners and losers and isolating and protecting some to allow them to live. If they want to die then let them walk out, but don’t let them back in to infect others.

    How much more power do you want to give to our elected officials and the unelected bureaucracy to control our lives. What powers will they keep after this has blown over and what new ones will they take when we have the next crisis. Politics is about Power and who has it. That goes to another one of your observations about how split that we are.

    Would you agree that this current recession/depression whatever we want to call it is solely the result of the actions of the State Governments? And if you do, why should we trust them to do anything right?

  584. jason says:

    As for your proposal of isolating the elderly and sick. Isn’t the government picking winners and losers here too? How does the government decide who is sick? What if an older person is healthy and wants to work and provide for his/her family, should the government force that person into isolation?”

    I will take this easy question.

    They would not be picking winners and losers at all. If you are in a nursing home you are old or old and sick. So no brainer there. If you have a medical history with pre-conditions, you have pre-conditions. So there is actually very little mystery in identifying who is at risk, the government doesn’t have to decide a damm thing in that respect.

    Now, what if you are old and don’t want to be isolated? I think most old people who would feel that way would probably feel they have enough to live for that they would be willing to take precautions. But if not, I would not force them into isolation, I think the concept would work anyway. Fewer deaths, more economic activity.

  585. jason says:

    Would you agree that this current recession/depression whatever we want to call it is solely the result of the actions of the State Governments?”

    I think this current situation is media driven, and the government actions are just a reaction to the media.

    The media never gave a damm about the flu, which has killed what, millions in the US over the last 40 years and that was fine with them.

    They cared about HIV, of course, and that ensured the government spent billions on it, not only in the US but around the world.

    I am surprised the MSM has not asked for a bailout yet, although Pelosi did try to put in retirement for newspaper workers or some bs like that.

  586. jason says:

    I am prescient…

    “Jon Schleuss is the President of NewsGuild-CWA, the largest US trade union for journalists. He spoke to business technology news website ZDNet about his recent request that Congress include media outlets in its next stimulus package. In addition, his organization is “asking for financial support from state and local governments for their regional news outlets.”

    The author points out that the news business has already been hit hard as companies have turned to Google and Facebook for their advertising needs and that “further damage has come from media acquisitions by private equity firms who have been making deep cuts in newsroom staff.”

  587. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This confirms my low opinion of the governor or Nevada:

    “According to sources at the drug maker, Concordia Pharmaceuticals Inc, Nevada prisons ordered a large number of their anti-malaria Hydroxychloroquine drug under the name, Plaquenli. Nevada prisons has literally ZERO cases of prisoners infected with the COVID 19 virus to date. The Nevada Board of Pharmacies and the Governor claimed the rule barring doctors from prescribing the drug outside of hospitals was to stop hoarding. After Sisolak’s ban went into effect, the State Prison hoarded the drug in a mass just in case they had break out.

    Gov. Sisolak refused to reverse his order even after the FDA issued an emergency order earlier this week approving the drug for use against COVID 19.”

  588. jason says:

    Cuomo predicts the NY peak 4-8 days.

    I hope it is 4.

  589. jason says:

    As soon as things start to improve, I can see the MSM headlines:

    “IT IS NOT OVER YET”

  590. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Sacramento Bee:

    “A new immunity test from Stanford University and an increased focus on screening for coronavirus will help the state dramatically ramp up testing over the next few weeks, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Saturday, with an ultimate goal of getting Californians back to work.”

    Newsom said it was “hours” from approval.

  591. Cash Cow TM says:

    NYCmike says:
    April 4, 2020 at 4:13 pm
    On something else for a minut……Ca$h Cow, Thanks for alerting me to the death of Bill Withers.
    *******************************

    You are welcome.

    Send me a bale of clover hay if you get the urge.

  592. Cash Cow TM says:

    News reports say that filings for divorce is skyrocketing.

  593. lisab says:

    Jason – Tina called me old and feeble like Biden. Points!
    ———————-

    tina,

    he is not feeble

  594. lisab says:

    Jason – Tina called me old and feeble like Biden. Points!
    ———————-

    not feeble as feeble as biden anyway

  595. jason says:

    About the same number of deaths as yesterday +1331 vs +1322 yesterday

    “The Model”? 1360

    New cases + 34196 vs + 32284 yesterday (+1912)

  596. jason says:

    Old and feeble? Minimal points

    Like Biden? Dang, that is a boatload.

  597. jason says:

    Oh wait, I thought that was Bitter.

    Only A-holes get points.

    But you certainly get honorable mention.

  598. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina called me old and feeble like Biden. Points, mfer!

  599. Country Dick Montana says:

    How many deaths are you seeing? I thought that we had 7392 yesterday and 8452 today. That would be 1060. Am I missing something?

    NY from worldmeter only had 347 deaths after having680 the day before.

  600. Country Dick Montana says:

    413-April 3,2020 9:48PM

    “For tomorrow 34643 new cases and 1303 deaths (fewer, but that what I am coming up with)”

    Depending on the real numbers I was about 1.3% off on cases. Deaths I get 1060 which makes my prediction way off. If it is 1331 as Jason notes then I am about 2% off.

  601. Big Joe says:

    #609, Dick-

    Loaded questions 😀

    “How much more power do you want to give to our elected officials and the unelected bureaucracy to control our lives.”

    I’m no Constitutional scholar, but I can answer as a law abiding and patriotic U.S. citizen. I absolutely enjoy my freedoms. I also feel that government has a role to play, specifically in protecting unalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. See Declaration of Independence.

    “Would you agree that this current recession/depression whatever we want to call it is solely the result of the actions of the State Governments? And if you do, why should we trust them to do anything right?”

    I would not agree that it is *solely* the state governments’ fault. States didn’t force the NBA to suspend it’s season or cancel the NCAA tournament. No state was responsible for Tom Hanks testing positive. Those were the events that really made clear that this was real and they were not state-specific events.

    People were looking for a national statement/response. The travel ban from China was implemented pretty early showing the Fed government was aware and responding. Fast forward to today, the Federal government and State governments are mostly on the same page. Pres. Trump doesn’t hesitate to say “We” voluntarily shut the country down (paraphrasing). While the Fed government can’t force the State govts to do anything, the message is clear that the fed govt wants state govts to implement the WH task force recommendations. So to the extent that you want to assign blame, seems it should be shared. Sure, states haven’t uniformly instituted the guidelines, so there’s that.

    As far as trust goes, I generally happen to be a trusting person but a “trust but verify” type of trust. I feel this way because I think leaders do care about the public interest. After all, they ask for the public’s vote. So if they are viewed as not caring about the people, then they would get voted out. Checks/balances work for the most part. Voters are the ultimate check. As for the unelected part, well they are an extension of elected leaders.

    As an aside, I now need to get some facts on a developing situation in my home state of Georgia. Seems that Gov Kemp finally issued a shelter-in-place order yesterday which supercedes previously issued local orders. The state order actually opens up GA beaches and people are gathering there. There’s some Republican on Republican conflict here.

    Big Joe

  602. jason says:

    What I get from Big Joe is that he believes in a lot of things his party and the elected officials from his party no longer believe in.

  603. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ, Feel bad for you bruh, your state has the dumbest gov and he’s even dumber than I thought!

    He already won the award yesterday when he declared the BREAKING News that the virus can be spread by asymptomatic people. He said he just found out about that the the day before, we all known that for a a couple months! DUMBEST GOV IN USA

  604. jason says:

    Deaths I get 1060 which makes my prediction way off. If it is 1331 as Jason notes then I am about 2% off.”

    They updated at the last minute.

    In the end NY was + 660. Total + 1331.

    So NY is almost 50% of the deaths.

  605. Proud Obamacon says:

    And today GOV KEMP REOPENS BEACHES. What could possibly go wrong.

    DOES.NOT.COMPUTE!

    Asymptomatic people can spread the virus + shelter in place = EVERYONE GO PARTY AT THE BEACH?

    What a disaster.

    Georgia and Florida about to spike, and it’s they governor’s fault. They learn nothing from NY and NJ! Nothing!

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN

  606. Tina says:

    China Biden was against all travel bans. Biden apparently reversed h8mself on the China travel ban 2 months later. He has not said whether he is now for the Euro travel ban, or the Iranian ban.

  607. Tina says:

    Seems like the tone of today’s presser changed. Dr. Birx appears to be taking control over Dr. Fallacy.

    Birx should have led this since Day 1.

    You know the suburbanites love Dr. Birx.

  608. Country Dick Montana says:

    “States didn’t force the NBA to suspend it’s season or cancel the NCAA tournament. No state was responsible for Tom Hanks testing positive.”

    Sorry Joe, little bit of a non sequitur there. I am talking about the economic impact of the actions of the government. Tom Hanks may be rich, but him testing positive has nothing to do with a waiter in Pittsburgh losing their job. The NBA and NCAA tournaments provide some added economic bounce to their locations but really a tiny blip on the total economic radar. The NBA did not cost 10 million jobs. Let’s agree there. And if they did not then who did? Who issued the orders that kept people home?

    If you truly believe that our leaders care about the public interest, I think that you are being naive. Why do they work so hard to keep power for decades and decades. It ain’t for public service.

    You seem to be a decent guy, pretty respectful and have a lot on the ball. I want the Government to guarantee to me the same freedoms that you want. We can do that with a lot less intrusion from the Government.

  609. Tina says:

    Had China Biden been able to watch the presser, he would known that Admiral Polowczyk was appointed fo this position on 3/24.

    Matt Wolking (Text TRUMP to 88022)
    @MattWolking
    Today, Joe Biden demonstrated again that he has no clue what is going on.

    He called for President Trump to “appoint a supply commander to coordinate critical materials.”

    President Trump already did this – last month!

  610. jason says:

    BREAKING News that the virus can be spread by asymptomatic people. He said he just found out about that the the day before, we all known that for a a couple months”

    LOL

    That was your idiotic Dem Mayor that said that.

    Bill de Blasio Rejects Claim U.S. Knew Asymptomatic People Could Spread the Virus: Only Learned That ‘In the Last 48 Hours’

    Mayor Bill de Blasio rejected WNYC host Brian Lehrer’s claim that the U.S. knew “weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease,” and instead suggested this fact was only discovered “in the last 48 hours.”

    Roadkill Maggot is the DUMBEST COMMIE IN THE US

  611. Tina says:

    The Supply Chain Stabilization Task Force at FEMA is headed up by Rear Admiral John Polowczyk of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

  612. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yes Blas is a moron, just like KEMP of Georgia. Open them GA beaches! Wow what a dumb chit.

    #resist

  613. Country Dick Montana says:

    632 – Something is weird. If we had 1332 deaths yesterday, the total would have been 7398, but it is showing 7121 for April 3. That would mean that yesterday had 1045, not 1322. I had 1322 yesterday also. You can check that on their graphs

    Perhaps they adjust the numbers later depending on when New York reports.

  614. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump trusts Fauci. You would think that would be enough for Tina.

  615. Tina says:

    From another poster at a different site

    “Saw a great bumper sticker today… “Make America China’s Bitch again… Vote Democratic”

  616. Tina says:

    Matt Wolking (Text TRUMP to 88022)
    @MattWolking
    On February 13, Joe Biden’s top coronavirus advisor Ron Klain tweeted: “We don’t have a coronavirus epidemic in the U.S.” He implied “fear” was the bigger threat.

    The Coronavirus Task Force created by President Trump began meeting two and a half weeks before this tweet.

  617. Phil says:

    Another great day in China. Only 30 more infections and 3 deaths.

    Let’s hear it for the Chinese Communist Party. Their handling of the virus crisis in their own country continues to be masterful…brilliant even.

  618. Big Joe says:

    #636, Dick-

    “Sorry Joe, little bit of a non sequitur there”

    My statements about the NBA, NCAA, and Tom Hanks were to set up my point that the response was a national response, not a state by state response. And therefore, if you are to assign blame, that blame can not be placed solely on the state. Since state governments were strongly urged to follow Federal mitigation procedures, the Fed government may be your culprit.

    From your previous posts on this subject, it sounds like you are trying to find a way to place blame on your governor when this is a situation that’s not really specific to PA.

    I’d rather not look for scapegoats or bring politics into this. I have young children and parents who are 70+. I want them all to be safe. I want our leaders, D’s and R’s, along with appropriate agencies to be successful. According to the Chris Murray model, a majority of days in April will see 2,000+ people die from Covid-19. That is horrendous.

    “If you truly believe that our leaders care about the public interest, I think that you are being naive. Why do they work so hard to keep power for decades and decades. It ain’t for public service.”

    Fair point. You’re not the first to call me naive and surely won’t be the last. I think it’s human nature to want to retain power once you have it. As power can only retained by pleasing your voters, there’s incentive there to deliver for your voters. I’ll concede that Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell will never lose an election again, most House/Senate races are not competitive, so yes I see the counterpoint to my view. Term limits may help. I am in no way saying that we have a perfect system. Far from it. I think we have possibly irreconcilable differences and that the future of our country is scary.

    ” I want the Government to guarantee to me the same freedoms that you want. We can do that with a lot less intrusion from the Government.”

    I think we can all agree that government should only get involved when absolutely necessary. The problem is that the term “absolutely necessary” is subjective and open to interpretation. I’ve lived though Dem and Republican administrations. I don’t feel like I’ve lost freedoms.

    Big Joe

  619. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Tina gave Dr Fauci a nickname. King Orange knows that its the Fauci/Birx show. Without them running the show, his approval would be in the 30s!

    By all means, Tina and Laura Ingram: PLEASE PROCEED. RIP DR FAUCI TO SHREDS! DO IT! LOL

    #NOT.MY.PRESIDENT

  620. PresidentPaul! says:

    Big real estate crisis brewing covered by one of my favorite youtubers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5sff2aGIrQ

  621. Proud Obamacon says:

    People like Captain Dick love to complain about losing freedoms and losing money under Democrats.

    Now for the #FACTS!

    No Freedoms lost under Democrats
    Stock Market up HUGE under Dems, sideways under Reps

    Again.. #FACTS

  622. PresidentPaul! says:

    #650
    Everything was up under Chavez and everyone’s standard of living went up a lot too.

    Until the communists ran out of other people’s money and the main staple food was eating out of the garbage and the main occupation was prostitution.

  623. Proud Obamacon says:

    #651 And we’re heading there thanks to your Orange hero and cronies running up trillion dollar digits and printing trillions of dollars!

    Luckily, we will save yall in November!

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  624. Proud Obamacon says:

    running up trillion dollar deficits

  625. Proud Obamacon says:

    sorry for the #facts LOL

  626. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz. It is Trump’s fault the virus killed the economy? PO used to be entertaining. Now it is just sad.

  627. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    653. Bernie thinks Trump is not spending enough; Bernie wants to spend $50 trillion.

  628. Proud Obamacon says:

    “It is Trump’s fault the virus killed the economy? PO used to be entertaining. Now it is just sad.”

    Huh? Captain Dick is saying that, not me sport.

    #RESIST

  629. PresidentPaul! says:

    #652
    Bush was hesitant to provide demand side stimulus and bailouts in 08 and we ended up with 60 democrats in the senate.

    Churchhill forced the UK back onto the gold standard when it caused deflation.

    Both of these policies were excellent policies, but that were politically unpopular and caused the election of radical leftists.

    The right makes this mistake over and over. They make good policies that cause Democrats to win, and because of this the policies that follow are infinitely worse than having just done the bailout to begin with.

  630. PresidentPaul! says:

    #656
    Thank god the True left already lost this election.

  631. PresidentPaul! says:

    (I don’t capitalize god to annoy ppl btw)

  632. Proud Obamacon says:

    “653. Bernie thinks Trump is not spending enough; Bernie wants to spend $50 trillion.”

    LOL whats your point? If you spend only $49 Trillion , then you are a fiscal conservative? Nic ejob you really moved them goalposts!

  633. Tina says:

    The blob is just starting?

    Brian Stelter
    @brianstelter
    · 8h
    I don’t know about you, but I’m starting to prepare for long-term life at home. More than a week or two… More than a month, as currently prescribed by the president’s task force… I’m thinking in terms of months, plural, and trying to plan accordingly. http://cnn.it/2xNgLcj

  634. Country Dick Montana says:

    “The problem is that the term “absolutely necessary” is subjective and open to interpretation.”

    And that is why we are so split as a country. Unfortunately until one side subjugates the other we will remain split.

    “I don’t feel like I’ve lost freedoms.”

    Perhaps your still working. 10 million in the last 2 weeks have lost the “freedom” to go to work and it is because the government has ordered them not to do so. Perhaps they would have lost those jobs to the voluntary closing of their places of work, but we will never know that.

    We probably won’t agree so we have taken the discussion as far as we can. I will say again that I am proud of a significant swath of the American people who have through voluntary compliance done all of the right things suggested by the experts and Federal government. Voluntary not coercion being the key.

    So I will leave it with the original questions that have not been answered directly:

    1. How much more power do you wish to give the government?

    2. Is there any elected politician or member of the bureaucracy so much smarter than you that they can tell you how to live?

  635. Pitchaboy says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sean-hannity-gov-cuomo-stop-denying-new-yorkers-hydroxychloroquine

    This drug, I have always contended, should be used early in high risk patients to prevent hospitalization. If this is true, Cuomo is committing malpractice

  636. Country Dick Montana says:

    An BJ, I am not trying to be arguementive, simply trying to get some understanding. And you are articulate enough to provide that if you really want to do so.

    I live in apart of western PA that went about 90% for Hillary in 2016. There are times that I seriously have to hide my political leanings. To some of my friends or people that don’t mind talking about it, I ask them the same questions as above. The answers are generally vague or avoid to questions entirely. It generally comes down to how they feel about “fairness”, “greed”, “bigotry”. I have gotten a few to admit that THEY don’t need the government to tell THEM what to do, but OTHER people need to be told what to do. That is the scary part to me.

  637. jason says:

    632 – Something is weird. If we had 1332 deaths yesterday, the total would have been 7398, but it is showing 7121 for April 3. That would mean that yesterday had 1045, not 1322. I had 1322 yesterday also. You can check that on their graphs”

    I know. They readjusted their April 3 number downwards for some reason.

    They also reported 24000 new cases in France for April 3 which was obviously not the case.

    Their policy is when they make an adjustment they just throw it on that day’s number, which is stupid.

    pril 4 (GMT)

    7788 new cases and 1053 new deaths in France [source]

    France: on April 3 the French Government reported 17,827 additional cases and 532 additional deaths from nursing homes that had not been reported previously. On April 2, it had reported 884 additional deaths.

    “April 3 (GMT)

    23060 new cases and 1120 new deaths in France

  638. jason says:

    “I don’t know about you, but I’m starting to prepare for long-term life at home.”

    I hope Brian Stelter never leaves his house again….

  639. jason says:

    Seems like the tone of today’s presser changed. Dr. Birx appears to be taking control over Dr. Fallacy.”

    Zzzzzzz… fake news.

  640. Bitterlaw says:

    Happy church-free Palm Sunday.

    Jason will be happy to know that for the first time in my life I will not be attending Mass on Palm Sunday. It is not due to his call for me to boycott Mass because of the Pope’s politics. It is due to the Church being closed for the first time in my 52 years. If I can’t receive communion, there is no point in watching the Mass online.

  641. Messy says:

    Wisconsin is going to have it’s primary in two days. Since the Republicans don’t have one (Trump is unopposed), they’re doing this to kill Democrats.

  642. jason says:

    It is not too early to start casting blame for the spread of the virus in the US.

    Here we go in order of magnitude of blame.

    1. China – had they been upfront about the human to human contagion risk some estimates show the spread could have been reduced by up to 90%.

    2. WHO – by going along with Chinese propaganda, and delaying elevating the classification to pandemic from epidemic, they induced the leaders and the health officials in many countries to minimize the problem.

    3. Europeans – by being slow to control their borders and restrict travel from China, they increased the exposure of their own citizens, many of whom then traveled to the US, especially NY.

    4. DeBlasio – refused to close schools and kept telling New Yorkers to lead normal lives well into the crisis. By telling young people they didn’t “have to worry” he probably caused them to contaminate thousands of others. In fairness to him, he was probably relying on his health commissioner, who was saying the same thing. He is an idiot for many reasons, but I am sure he feels very bad about this.

    5. Cuomo – see #4. Better than DeBlasio but still slow to react. DeBlasio and Cuomo have a lot do do with the fact NY is the epicenter of the pandemic in the US. Again, he was probably getting bad advice

    5. Trump – while he was taking the necessary steps in the background, he was also trying to calm the markets. I don’t blame him for trying to protect the economy, but inadvertently he did give people a false sense of security. Yes, he too was getting bad advice.

    6 – CDC – extremely bureaucratic, unprepared and inflexible. While I give the politicians a partial pass on disseminating wrong information, it is the CDC’s job to assess the real risk and the situation, and they don’t get a pass if they went along with China and the WHO.

  643. jason says:

    Wisconsin is going to have it’s primary in two days. Since the Republicans don’t have one (Trump is unopposed), they’re doing this to kill Democrats.”

    LOL

    Messy Moron again displays here ignorance.

    Being unopposed does not mean there is not a primary. Are you really that stupid?

    https://www.270towin.com/2020-republican-nomination/wisconsin-primary

  644. Bitterlaw says:

    A fine summary by Jason.

  645. Tina says:

    Don’t question dr. Fallacy

    gwwsanborn
    @gwwsanborn
    · 18m
    Replying to @johncardillo
    It is also not consistent with Fauci’s advocacy of experimental AZT for AIDS patients. Why was a Hail Mary ok then but not now for those with nothing to lose?

    Hydroxychloroquine now is also more proven than AZT was then

  646. Tina says:

    Why is the venthoarder praising the commies?

    Andrew Cuomo
    @NYGovCuomo
    · 22h
    We finally got some good news today.

    The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.

    I thank the Chinese government, Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation, the Tsai Foundation and Consul General Huang.

  647. Bitterlaw says:

    I will need to research where John Carrillo obtained his medical degree. Oh. Wait…..

  648. Country Dick Montana says:

    677 – Like thanking the arsonist that set you house on fire for throwing a bucket of water to help put it out.

  649. Bitterlaw says:

    Cardillo

  650. Tina says:

    Not a bad list

    Need to equate China as the WHO.

    Need to move the cdc higher.
    Need to include Dr. Fallacyin the list.

  651. Tina says:

    But sure enough rinos will praise cuomo.

    Despite failing to procure the ventilators.

    Obstructing on the anti malaria drug.

    Being slow to shut down.

    Letting Duh Blaise phuq things up.

  652. jason says:

    It is not due to his call for me to boycott Mass because of the Pope’s politics.”

    If Bitter can find ONE post where I ever told him to boycott Mass I will donate $1000 to the Radnor ASPCA.

    I never said you shouldn’t go to Mass. You were the one that said “so I shouldn’t go to Mass”

    I mocked you for pretending that it doesn’t matter what the communist Pope says because what is outside the doctrine of the church is not relevant.

    That, of course, is sticking your head in the sand.

    GFY.

  653. Tina says:

    Dr. Fallacy is also a big fan of the psychopharmacology that runs WHO, the Chinese commie sock puppet.

    Time to axe that guy.

  654. Tina says:

    Fallacy is looking for a vaccine. The vaccine has no help now. He keeps screwing things up. Glad that the fda and cdc are starting to speak more and more at the pressers.

    Emerald Robinson ??
    @EmeraldRobinson
    · 40m
    Italy: hydroxychloroquine works!

    France: hydroxychloroquine works!

    Spain: hydroxychloroquine works!

    Brazil: hydroxychloroquine works!

    Dr. Fauci: there’s no strong evidence it works.

    No strong evidence? There’s the evidence of the entire world’s medical community.

  655. jason says:

    It is also not consistent with Fauci’s advocacy of experimental AZT for AIDS patients.”

    Zzzzzz….

    “Dr. Cardillo” moron hardest hit

    “Despite such pushback, Fauci said he would prescribe the drug to patients with COVID-19 during a Tuesday appearance on Philadelphia’s AM 990 The Answer Radio, Breitbart reported.

    “Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,” Fauci told talk radio host Chris Stigall, who asked him if he would allow a patient to act on their desire to try chloroquine.”

  656. jason says:

    Fallacy is looking for a vaccine. The vaccine has no help now.

    Wow, that is really ignorant.

    The ONLY way to stop this is to create a vaccine.

    Until that happens, the virus will keep wreaking havoc.

    The vaccine is the ONLY long term solution.

  657. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/state-troopers-cite-pa-woman-for-going-for-a-drive-amid-stay-at-home-order/

    So “Going for a drive” is now a crime in PA. Granted she was probably sited for POTP (pizzing off the police) and if she gave them a hard time instead of “yes sir , officer, I understand” and went on she probably would not have had anything happen to her. But good for her for taking it to court anyway.

    The scary thing is the number of comments to the article that basically say they are willing to give up freedoms to the government.

  658. Tina says:

    Fallacy

    Jan – coronovirus will have no impact here.

    Feb corona virus will have no impact here.

    March 9, coronavirus will have no impact here. If you are a young adult, please travel on a cruise ship.

  659. Tina says:

    Yes, the vaccine will help long term.

    But not now, like right now, like TODAY.

  660. jason says:

    “No strong evidence? There’s the evidence of the entire world’s medical community.”

    Anecdotal evidence, and Fauci has certainly acknowledged as much.

    It is still not a substitute for clinical trial results.

    Fauci is correct, the entire medical field knows that the way you prove a drug’s effectiveness is through clinical trials.

    Fauci is not opposing its use, however, so I don’t know exactly where the problem is.

    You should be critical of the governors of Michigan, Nevada and New York, not Fauci.

  661. Tina says:

    China Biden on tee vee not making any sense. The ban was implemented 1/31. Biden was against it until 4/3.

    Likes
    Steve Guest’s Tweets

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    ·
    4m
    Joe Biden lives in a alternate reality.

    Over 2 months ago, when Trump announced travel restrictions with China, Joe Biden was criticizing Trump for “xenophobia.”

    Today, Biden criticized Trump for the speed he enacted the travel ban.

    Biden didn’t support the ban until April 3.

  662. jason says:

    Yes, the vaccine will help long term.

    But not now, like right now, like TODAY.”

    Yes, we need to work on the vaccine now, TODAY, so it will be available ASAP.

    Because it is the only way to defeat the virus.

  663. Tina says:

    Will the wbc Drat plant even call China out about his slowness on the ban and this?

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    ·
    11m
    Today, Joe Biden called on
    @realDonaldTrump
    to enact the Defense Protection Act & appoint a supply commander to combat coronavirus.

    Trump has already done that.

    On March 18, POTUS invoked the DPA.

    Rear Adm. Polowczyk has been in charge of supplies.

    Biden’s not rapid.

  664. jason says:

    Italy: hydroxychloroquine works!

    France: hydroxychloroquine works!

    Spain: hydroxychloroquine works!

    LOL

    What drivel.

    It certainly has not worked in Italy and Spain yet, considering they have the most deaths and the highest spread of the disease anywhere.

    France had 1000 deaths yesterday.

    Let’s get real and stop the BS.

  665. Tina says:

    This interview makes no sense.

    Something is wrong with joe here.

    Travel ban 1/31.

    Dpa invoked in March.

    Supply chain commander appointed in mid March. ((I already noted the name of the person).

    https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1246793179644428290

  666. Tina says:

    This is wrong. European counties only started use of this drug a week ago at best

    https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2020/03/27/coronavirus-use-of-antimalarial-drugs-authorized-in-italy_3168c09a-6e8b-4992-b55b-fbc40822bc2f.html

    It certainly has not worked in Italy and Spain yet, considering they have the most deaths and the highest spread of the disease anywhere.

    France had 1000 deaths yesterday.

    Let’s get real and stop the BS.

  667. jason says:

    Dr. Fauci could find the cure for coronavirus tomorrow and Tina would still be here reminding us he once praised Hillary.

  668. jason says:

    Tina spreading fake news about Europe.

    The truth.

    “Unlike FDA, European regulators refuse to clear chloroquine for COVID-19 without data

    Apr 2, 2020 10:09am

    Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have drawn more attention—and certainly more presidential support—than any other drug during the global quest to find an effective coronavirus therapy.

    Now, days after the FDA gave them an emergency approval to treat COVID-19, European regulators are limiting their COVID-19 use to clinical trials only.”

  669. Tina says:

    I would still be here reminded you how wrong Fallacy has been.

  670. jason says:

    Tina why don’t you just be honest and admit the only reason you don’t like Fauci is because he is a Democrat.

    The truth will set you free and we can move on.

  671. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/state-coronavirus-shutdowns-have-taken-29-of-u-s-economy-offline-11586079001?mod=hp_lead_pos1

    Behind the paywall but the headline says it all. 29% of the economy due to state shutdowns. 80% of US counties under lock down representing 96% of national output. This is how you cause a depression.

  672. Tina says:

    You mentioned Italy with the deaths implying that the drug was not effective there.

    They have only begun using the drug a week ago.

    ANSA) – Rome, March 27 – Anti-malarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been authorized in Italy to treat patients infected with Sars-Cov2, according to a measure published Friday in the Official Gazette.

    I

  673. jason says:

    I would still be here reminded you how wrong Fallacy has been.”

    Of course you would. It would matter more to you what he said in January than the fact he found the cure.

    But at least you admit it is just politics.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  674. Tina says:

    I have an issue with dr. Fallacy because he has been so wrong this time.

  675. jason says:

    They have only begun using the drug a week ago.”

    In Europe only as part of clinical trials, as I posted above April 2 article.

    That is actually more restrictive than anything Fauci and the FDA have done, they have approved it for use outside of clinical trials.

    So actually, Fauci is way ahead of Europe on this.

  676. Tina says:

    I am sure venthoarder will blame trump for the overcrowding on the subway.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-one-of-the-most-dangerous-places-in-new-york

  677. jason says:

    dr. Fallacy because he has been so wrong this time.”

    Facts not in evidence.

    He has certainly been right about what matters.

  678. Tina says:

    Fallacy is on tape. He said it was not an issue through early March.

    He believed The Who official and the commie Chinese.

    Fell for it hook line and sinker.

  679. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28996756/famed-new-orleans-saints-kicker-tom-dempsey-dies-coronavirus

    Tom Dempsey dead. Had been battling Alzheimer’s disease and dementia.

    I saw this guy play when I was a youngster. Not only did he kick (it sounded like a sledge hammer hitting the ball. You could hear it in the cheap seats)he also got down field on kickoffs and made tackles. The story is that his when he was kid his mother made him stand up and fight the other kids who would make fun of him and never let his disability get in the way of his life.

  680. Tina says:

    I have limoncello for Friday planned.

    Jordan Lancaster
    @jordylancaster
    ·
    11h
    just finished filling out my planner for this week ?

    sunday: stare at living room wall
    monday: travel (to the kitchen)
    tuesday: stare at bedroom wall
    wednesday: mindlessly scroll through twitter for 10 hours
    thursday: open the window just to feel alive

  681. Tina says:

    Trump should have the second commission on re firing the economy.

    Cannnot do it all at one time. Will have to be a gradual re start.

  682. dblaikie says:

    Tina, you need to lay off Dr. Fauci. Not everyone puts their politics before anything else. He is a person who puts his science, which is dependent upon facts and data in a controlled setting, before politics.

    Jason, are you saying in post 696 that you don’t believe this medication works? That seems very premature, especially with the mounting anecdotal evidence coupled with a controlled test with 62 people that it does work. Here is another article, this time in the NY Post of another established reputable Physician, an infectious disease specialist, who has become a believer in it: https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/long-island-doctor-tries-new-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients/

    For all of us, I hope and pray, this anecdotal evidence is verified.

  683. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump was a Democrat and gets a free pass from Tina on everything.

    Fauci praised Democrat Hillary and can do nothing right according to Tina.

    I love this place.

  684. Tina says:

    I don’t have to lay off of him.

    He has been wrong.

    People are dying because of his actions.

    Defaulting to that he is a Democrat, is not an answer or a solution to the problem at hand.

    Admit he was wrong.

    And try to find others that can do better

  685. Tina says:

    It has not worked in euro land because as I pointed outt they are waiting for trials or, in Italy’s case, just approved mass treatment of it days ago, it’s a poor argument to be making.

    “Italy Finally Starts Mass Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine
    Doctors in Italy have finally began widely prescribing hydroxychloroquine in certain combinations in Rome and the wider region of Lazio with a population of around six million.”

    2,008
    2:39 PM – Apr 4, 2020

  686. Bitterlaw says:

    You are the one who brought up the fact he was a Democrat when you started ripping him. You. Nobody else. Own it.

    Trump finds him to be an expert. You don’t. You will have to reconcile that in your mind.

  687. Tina says:

    You own it that you were wrong to praise him for his errors.

    You must like sheotty gubment.

    Way to go brownie.

  688. Tina says:

    Even the dumbest reporters are questioning fallacy’s models

    Maggie Haberman
    @maggieNYT
    · 44m
    RTs are not endorsements, particularly that infections may have peaked when there’s so little testing, but there are ongoing questions about the modeling that’s being relied on and what assumptions are going into them. https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1246762522058919936

  689. PresidentPaul! says:

    It’s amazing that congress hasn’t suspended payroll taxes the most obvious solution to all of this so far (or maybe not amazing)

  690. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump praises him. Take it up with your hero.

  691. Country Dick Montana says:

    It’s amazing that congress hasn’t suspended payroll taxes the most obvious solution to all of this so far (or maybe not amazing)

    Why let people keep what people keep what they have earned when you can funnel it through the federal bureaucracy so that they can have their cut.

  692. Bitterlaw says:

    Rev. DB- Did you hold Palm Sunday services in your church today or go online?

  693. Tina says:

    dont Care if he did or did not.

    I pointed out his errors.

    Much like I pointed out the errors of your republican heroes, Mulehead and comedy,

    I was correct then , and. Am correct now.

  694. Tina says:

    Congress wants to give out the rebates to illegals.

    Watch republicans bend them.

  695. Bitterlaw says:

    Let’s try one last time.

    You trust Trump. Trump trusts Fauci. You do not trust Fauci.

    Solve that problem for us.

  696. dblaikie says:

    Bitter, we are not having “in person” services. But we are putting our service on YouTube. Thanks for asking.

  697. Phl says:

    1. The coarse of the virus is totally dependent on whether the lockdown of major cities occurred soon enough to prevent a NYC outbreak in metro areas like Chicago, Houston, etc. If so we can get through this by mid May IMO.

    2. Hydroxycloroclyguine. Jury is out. Just started in Europe. Also, it appears to be more effective early in the progression of the disease. Most don’t get it until they get into the hospital when the disease is well along.

    3. We could learn a lot about the long term progression of the disease from China. Unfortunately they are lying their rear off and publish complete BS number each and every day.

  698. Tina says:

    Let’s try this:

    Bl praises Fauci who is wrong.

    Bl praises comedy who was wrong.

    Bl praises Mulehead who was wrong.

    Solve that problem for us.

  699. Tina says:

    They are really going to have to clean up the abc interview with China Biden. Don’t get it. Stephawatever prolly gave him the questions in advance.

    Tommy Pigott
    @TCPigott
    ·
    10m
    Joe Biden thinks the 1918 flu pandemic took place during the 1916 presidential election

  700. Tina says:

    This interview is the mother of all train wrecks.

    Andrew Clark
    @AndrewHClark
    ·
    34m
    Biden just criticized the “pace” of the China travel restrictions.

    @RealDonaldTrump
    enacted them 1/31. Joe Biden then dragged his feet for two months, refusing to say if they were a good idea until 4/3 for political reasons.

    Biden’s “pace” put opposing Trump over public health.

  701. Wes says:

    Now Tina’s just making things up.

    Bitter has never praised Comey or Mueller. He has criticized Tina for her ad hominem attacks on Fauci. That translates into Tina’s one-note mind as “praising.”

  702. Bitterlaw says:

    When did I praise Mueller?

    The only thing I ever said about Comey at the very beginning was that he must have done something right in October 2016 since he pissed off Republicans AND Democrats. I did not praise him throughout the investigation or impeachment.

    I have not praised Fauci any more than Trump has done.

    By the way, good job not answering the question.

  703. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. NYC and Wes agree with me. Strange days, indeed.

  704. Tina says:

    yes you did, Bl.

    You attacked me from the get go about comedy.

    You said I was jealous of him because he was fib director.

    Own it.

  705. Tgca says:

    729

    Agreed! Not sure why WHO and others in the federal, state, and city medical communities did not better plan and vet this from day 1 when they all would have the info to best advise leaders because they have their own professionals and best know the demographics of their communities.

    Yes,China lied! Did anyone expect differently? My gut tells me politics and bureaucracy got in the way with these appointed medical leaders and now they try to spin they are saving the day. Yes, they’re taking it seriously now and working diligently to solve it but where were they in Dec and Jan? One good deed does not erase the fact they failed to act earlier. We do not expect mayors, governors, and presidents to understand and plan for this like these politically appointed agency heads. That is their job to plan, advise, and consent.

    We saw this so similarly in the AIDS epidemic about how the disease continued to spread and infect new generations because politics and bureaucrats got in the way of real planning and solutions. My gut feeling is that if this involved more of the active medical community beyond the bureaucrats, it would have gotten more visibility earlier and we would not be in this mess just like often we bring in big business to help solve slow government in other areas.

  706. Tina says:

    You can lump those two Republicans and one Democrat gumbment official and you still have a sheot platter.

    I critique everybody regardless of party affiliations

    I also said trump won’t win re election.

    You probably missed that, just like you missed me calling for the travel bans in January.

    Way before the president did.

  707. Wes says:

    Even if Bitter said that, Tina, it’s not “praise.”

    That’s needling you for your relentless assaults on Comey.

    I would hope a former federal agent could tell the difference.

  708. Wes says:

    I critique everybody regardless of party affiliations

    Tina means she criticizes everyone she doesn’t consider to be helpful to Trump regardless of party affiliation.

  709. Bitterlaw says:

    But you refuse to criticize Trump directly for choosing and keeping Fauci.

  710. Tina says:

    I said trump won’t win re election for days now.

    That is not criticism?

    You cannot possibly be dense.

    And I truly believe you are a fine lawyer,

  711. Phil says:

    IMO, Comey deserved every relentless assault he got. What a POS this guy has been.

  712. Wes says:

    Predicting a loss is criticism now?

    Who knew?

  713. Bitterlaw says:

    Predicting Trump won’t win is criticizing Trump? Do words have different meaning in California?

  714. Tgca says:

    742

    I disagree! I think Trump would win re-election if it were held today.

    I agree! My friend Bitter is a fine ambulance chasing lawyer…and a connoisseur of fine sweaterware and flowers too.

    Both can be true.

  715. Tina says:

    It’s a problem in gubment actually

    Long servicing officials

    They are basically in cya mode 24/7.

    That is why we get mulehead, comedy, and fallacy,

  716. Wes says:

    Apparently, Bitter.

    Tina claims you praised Comey by saying she’s jealous he became FBI Director.

    I’m still trying to figure out how that’s praise.

  717. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-19-cause-death-even-assumed-caused-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/

    Gatewaypundit is so dumb sometimes.

    Hospitals literally have nothing to do with what the “cause of death” is listed as.

    The death certificates are mailed out to individual physicians and they fill it out themselves.

    Just like Trump and Fauci (or any other politician) have nothing to do whether hydroxychloroquine is or isn’t being used…

  718. Tina says:

    I was going to write that:

    a fine ambulance chasing lawyer.

    Don’t have any comments on the sweater part, other than I went to catholic school many moons ago, when guys worse sweaters.

  719. Tgca says:

    Tina, I think qualified professionals often lead these gubbermint agencies but you’re right in the sense they get trapped in the politics and bureaucracy of it all. That is why generally the best go to private sector that is on the cutting edge and can make a real difference. Folks don’t always realize how often gubbermint folks lean on the expertise in the private sector. I guess it’s like the old saying “Those who can do, and those who can’t teach.”

  720. Hugh says:

    Questions regarding Dr Fauci. On what major items has he been reasonably consistent in his statements and on which ones has he not? On what predictions was he reasonably close and on which ones was he not?

  721. Tina says:

    TG, then you get the brownie types (Bush 43). They are appointed because of cronyism.

  722. Bitterlaw says:

    Ambulance chasers sue people and companies. I defend people and companies that are sued. I am not an ambulance chaser.

    I do not own or wear sweaters. I did not go to the flower show this year.

  723. Tina says:

    And Bl is wrong because it was stated here that dr.birx is a Democrat. I am not sure that it has been verified.

    But I want her leading the task force.

    I have started for weeks my reason why.

    Jason disagrees but that is fine.

  724. Tgca says:

    …and it happens in politics too. Often some of those with high potential go to DC to do good deeds and instead get caught up in the greed and politics if it all and become part of the “swamp.”

    AOC is a recent example. *cough*. Ah hmmm. Excuse me. Such a potentially talented young and upcoming economist gave up a promising career for the DC circuit.

  725. Hugh says:

    728. You can get palm
    Sunday mass from st pats with cardinal Dolan on YouTube

  726. Tgca says:

    754

    …did not go to the flower show this year? Ummmm…because it was canceled due to the COVID19 outbreak maybe? Hmmm…season ticket holders get a raincheck I believe, riiiiiiiight?

  727. Tina says:

    This is a good thing.

    Face The Nation
    @FaceTheNation
    · 25m
    The New York healthcare system “will be right on the brink” – strained – “but won’t go over” @ScottGottliebMD tells @marbrennan. He adds, “I don’t think they will run out of ventilators.”

  728. Scooterboy says:

    So Tina, are you saying that Dr. Fauci is incompetent?

  729. Tina says:

    eted

    Shimon Prokupecz
    @ShimonPro
    ·
    41m
    Cuomo says number of new hospitalizations is down. Number of deaths is dropping. Cautions it’s too early to tell what this

    Shimon Prokupecz
    @ShimonPro
    ·
    37m
    Cuomo: 74% of those hospitalized have been discharged

  730. Tgca says:

    752

    I don’t question his experience or qualifications or his focus to provide solutions. I am quite surprised by how he and WHO seemed so cavalier at 1st about the risk and spread early on given their vast experience.

    I wonder if it was more driven by politics and bureaucracy to speak out. Anyone with half a brain knows never to trust communist regimes like Russia, China, and NK propaganda. We should have considered much more was up when China closed down early. My hunch is there was political pressure to not criticize China at the mid-level range of gubbermint and the big wigs were not all in the loop, especially when there was much more important and pressing issues for the US like impeachment.

    Also, many large cities like NY have their own specialists who I would think were not in the complete dark about what really could be going on in China.

  731. Tina says:

    Never ever trusr a commie China,

    And for bl, another criticism, the southern border is not fully sealed.

    Mexico cases and latin America are increasing.

  732. Tina says:

    Fallacy seemed too supportive of The Who and its leader.

    I could not get that one.

  733. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE
    Monkeys and apes chain smoking as panic grips planet…

  734. Bitterlaw says:

    The Flower Show was over before the shutdown.

  735. Wes says:

    The Who did make some great music, Tina. I can’t fault Fauci for liking them.

  736. jason says:

    Jason, are you saying in post 696 that you don’t believe this medication works?”

    No, I think the evidence we have is positive and I think it should be used while the clinical trials proceed. If any governors are not doing this for political reasons, they are stupid.

    But I think Dr. Fauci is right, we need the results of the clinical trials, the medical profession does not operate on “feelings”, “hunches” and anecdotal evidence.

    Both can be true.

  737. Tgca says:

    Well, there will be time later on to determine how we got here to begin with and learn for future how to better react after the Dems complete their bi-partisan review of it all. In the meantime, I do think Fauci, WHO, and others are very focused on what is most critically important to do now so that’s where I hope the focus stays.

    In addition, we seem to have a well-spoken and informative Gay Surgeon General to assist in the messaging so the stoopid yoots take this serious because that demographic is more likely to spread the virus now if they don’t heed to the guidelines.

  738. Scooterboy says:

    It would seem to me that if you are questioning the competency of Dr. Fauci, you would also then have to question the competency of Trump, since he is allowing Fauci to remain in his current position. Otherwise, your argument doesn’t make much sense.

  739. jason says:

    Fallacy seemed too supportive of The Who and its leader.”

    Zzzzzzz…

    He acted with the information available like everyone else.

    He has done a great job since he has been on the task force, that is all that matters.

    But you can keep rehashing about what he said in January if it makes you feel better, don’t forget to quote Trump too.

  740. jason says:

    t would seem to me that if you are questioning the competency of Dr. Fauci, you would also then have to question the competency of Trump, since he is allowing Fauci to remain in his current position. Otherwise, your argument doesn’t make much sense.”

    The junior A-hole is right on the money.

    Trump without Fauci would just be a politician blathering about things he has no knowledge of.

    Trump with Fauci has the foremost authority in infectious diseases backing him up.

    The difference is huge.

  741. Wes says:

    Fauci is a Democrat who supported Hillary four years ago, Jason.

    As Robert Browning once famously said, “[T]hat has made all the difference.”

  742. Wes says:

    Err, Robert Frost, not Robert Browning.

  743. Cash Cow TM says:

    Can you imagine what it would be like if tina and Bitter were quarantined in the same house?

  744. Tgca says:

    770

    I don’t think that is directed at my posts.

    I don’t question his experience and competency, but clearly the folks responsible for this missed it in the beginning. I don’t think they would have been totally in the dark and not have any insight. It would be like giving your teenage son and his friends a case of beer and the car keys on Sat night and telling them to go have fun. There has to be a clue that something could happen.

    Besides, these organizations have bio-mathematicians and bio-statisticians whose jobs are to study biological contamination and spread. These specialized areas spends years studying the complex math needed to study these biological impacts because medical professionals lack that skill set. I know because I almost went into a program to study this back in the early 90s but chose to focus staying in greedy corporate America with my MBA instead so I can make money to buy sweaters and go to flower shows frequently like some of my lucrative earning lawyer friends.

    I still think it was politics and bureacracy that led to this miss early on but no one will admit that now, nor should they. Now is the time to focus on a solution and not blame.

    Later there can be Dem bi-partisan hearings and Fauci and friends can screech “What does it matter now.”

  745. Bitterlaw says:

    When this is over, I would like to buy Tina a limoncello. We disagree. I agree with her more than I do not.

  746. mRviTO says:

    The FDA, the media, and Pelosi are notably absent from Jason’s list of blame.

  747. Tgca says:

    777

    I say we all go out and support our local communities and help boost the economy too. I’ll go to Macy’s and Nordstrom’s with Bitter to get new sweaters. We can all do an HHR outing at the Philadelphia Flower Show too in order to support our local florists.

    I’d be happy to recommend a fine vegan restaurant in Philly we could all hang out and chat afterwards, as Jadon is introduced to sautéed tofu pork loins over quinoa with kale and a seaweed salad. It would be fun!

  748. Wes says:

    I just saw a discussion amongst some wingnuts on Facebook. They’re literally saying Fauci is hyping the dangers of the virus because he has connections to the Gates Foundation.

    Slogging through all that conspiracist nonsense was like trying to make sense of a Bunu post.

  749. Phil says:

    I guess the only “winner” out of this whole crisis is
    Joe Biden. I have said for weeks Democrats were so terrified of this guy as a candidate they would do whatever possible to do what it takes behind the scenes to remove him – preferably, pressure him to bow out “voluntarily”. The downside was that it was going to be messy however it was done, but that it was necessary to defeat Trump. That is all that matters to them and if Joe was questionable in being able to accomplish that he had to go. Pretty simple.

    The whole rationale behind dumping Joe was that he was just too mentally gone to be able to win in November….that it was impossible to cover it up for seven months. What has changed? Has Joe suddenly shown he was stable enough to win after all? LOL. Hardly. If anything, even in virtual seclusion, his infrequent interviews have been horrible and, if anything, reaffirmed his shaky cognitive state.

    Nope, what this crisis has done is to so damage Trump in November to the extent that the Democratic power brokers believe Joe can actually make it regardless of how bad his cognitive problems are on display….and winning is the goal – the ONLY goal. If Trump is so damaged that Democrats believe Joe can actually still win, he gets to stay.

    Bottom line, if Democrats calculate Trump is so damaged by this crisis that Joe can win by virtue of Trump’s weakness, why go through the messy behind the scenes stuff of dumping him for God knows who? The weaker Trump looks the better shot Joe has of actually being nominated.

  750. Tgca says:

    Aha!

    This goes to my previous posts but maybe we were not aware to the extensiveness of the cuts in certain big cities and states.

    Not sure why in the last five years of improving economies that there was no focus on local healthcare, especially as we have seen increased instances of diseases once thought conquered but now re-emerging due to increased migration around the globe from poor countries to more western countries. To me, this is where local communities need to be on the frontlines because they see the impact before the upper echelons of gubbermint do.

    https://www.newsmax.com/us/virus-outbreak-states-public-health/2020/04/05/id/961420/

  751. Tgca says:

    781

    Is this sarcasm? No way the country is looking to Joe Biden at this point. He has been side-lined and not in the news other than being ridiculed for stoopid comments or having his technology fail in attempts to communicate. COVID has sucked the air out of the room on all other issues as of this point.

    I could not imagine independents looking to him as someone to lead the US out of this as Trump soars with GOP support currently. I think most understand this crisis has little to do with politics and if they see certain leaders working together to resolve the issue, that benefits Trump.

    Again, I believe if the election were held today, the country would not be turning to the Dems to lead this when there focus has been impeachment over all else and they appear gleeful of this crisis to harm Trump at the expense of the American people.

    Also, this has damaged China significantly and helps Trump on the whole China issue he has been ranting on the last 2 years. Biden is seen as overly China friendly, and I don’t see how this helps him. 90%+ of Americans, including, large percentage of Latinos now believe the US should close its boarders, at least temporarily. Biden and Dems were against this a few weeks ago.

    I think most would favor Trump on restarting the economy than the Dems. Americans are not generally looking to change admin in a crisis unless they believe the admin is mismanaging the crisis and there is a better alternative. That is not what Biden and the Dems project right now.

  752. jason says:

    Fauci is a Democrat who supported Hillary four years ago, Jason.

    As Robert Browning once famously said, “[T]hat has made all the difference.”

    Yep. Fauci could wear a MAGA hat from now until he dies and Tina would still never forgive him.

  753. jason says:

    The FDA, the media, and Pelosi are notably absent from Jason’s list of blame.”

    You can add the FDA to my CDC comment, good point.

    I don’t blame the MSM and Pelosi for the high number of cases, that is why they are not on my list.

    I know, Pelosi may have contributed to the SF hot spot by telling people to go to Chinatown, but she doesn’t make my top 6 list.

    Pelosi and MSM have tried to exploit the tragedy for political purposes, which is horrendous, but that would be another list.

    That would be the “Who has Acted Most Despicably” list.

  754. Big Joe says:

    #663, Dick-

    “Unfortunately until one side subjugates the other we will remain split.”

    That may be true though I hope we can come to a common understanding. I know that’s naive.

    “So I will leave it with the original questions that have not been answered directly:

    1. How much more power do you wish to give the government?

    2. Is there any elected politician or member of the bureaucracy so much smarter than you that they can tell you how to live?”

    Man, Dick, Books and PhD dissertations have been written to address the above questions. These questions have been debated for centuries. Not sure how to condense into a post. But let me try to summarize.

    As for how much power I want governments to have. I want them to have the least amount of power necessary to ensure the functioning of a civil, safe, and stable society. We need strong laws, law enforcement, and a safety net strong enough to ensure that those who lose the “survival of the fittest” test can still get by without turning to a life of crime.

    As far as elected leaders telling us what to do… Well you know we do go to the polls, elect leaders, and empower them with some authority to do just that. People aren’t perfect. Elected leaders and their extended bureaucracies are imperfect beings. I don’t have a great answer for you other than we hope that our government has procedures in place for dealing with problems, that leaders have their priorities right, and that they put constituents first. I don’t know what the alternative would be. I guess if we don’t approve of the actions of elected leaders, we vote them out and try again with someone new. What are your thoughts?

    So Dick, let me ask you. You seem to disapprove of the government’s Covid-19 response. Would you have preferred a response similar to the H1N1 response? I know you’ve mentioned your own solution of isolating elderly and sick, but let’s say you had to choose between the Covid-19 response and the H1N1 response. Which one would you choose? This isn’t a trick question, or gotcha question. I think once this crisis blows over, we will have an opportunity to look back and find areas for improvement. And evaluating / analyzing the two most recent pandemic responses will keep folks busy for quite some time.

    I’ve been in the IT services industry for over 20 years. After every project, we go back and conduct a series of Retrospective / Lessons Learned sessions. The object is to document the positives / negatives so that we can make adjustments where needed and be better equipped to tackle the next challenge. The government has very strict measures to do this as well. There should be some interesting Lessons Learned coming out of this pandemic.

    Big Joe

  755. jason says:

    I don’t question his experience and competency, but clearly the folks responsible for this missed it in the beginning. I don’t think they would have been totally in the dark and not have any insight. It would be like giving your teenage son and his friends a case of beer and the car keys on Sat night and telling them to go have fun. There has to be a clue that something could happen.”

    Debatable, but so what?

    What is important is what the task force is doing now.

    Fauci and the others are doing a great job IMO.

    Fauci lends tremendously credibility to Trump’s statements, without Fauci there would a lot more skepticism from the public (forget the dishonest MSM, they would be skeptical of Jesus Christ himself if he was at the podium).

    Attacking Fauci now because he voted for Hillary or because he said this or that in January is asinine.

    We can make it all about politics, or sometimes we just have to do the right thing. I think Fauci (and Trump) are trying to do the right thing.

  756. jason says:

    Italy numbers in.

    Nice drop in cases/deaths. Reason for optimism there.

    Also almost 22000 recovered.

    “The number of patients hospitalized in intensive care has declined for the first time since the beginning of the epidemic in Italy

    The target of bringing down the reproductive number (R0) to 1 has been reached. Now the goal is to bring it below 1. Earlier in the epidemic, it was as high as 3. This value represents the average number of people to which a single infected person will transmit the virus. An epidemic with a reproductive number below 1 will gradually disappear”.

  757. Phil says:

    That is wonderful news from Italy. Tremendous news actually.

    Did I read correctly somewhere that we are something like two weeks behind Italy?

  758. PresidentPaul! says:

    New York Woman Arrested for Not Socially Distancing — Then Thrown into Jail Holding Cell with Two Dozen Women

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/new-york-woman-arrested-not-socially-distancing-thrown-jail-holding-cell-two-dozen-women/

    This reminds me of watching certain liberal politicians threatening jail for corona violations, and then 15 minutes later they would be talking about how they planned to release everyone from jail because of coronavirus.

  759. Phil says:

    Case numbers much improved in Spain and Germany in addition to the figures out of Italy. Belgium and Netherlands numbers better as well.

    UK case numbers wretched, however. Up 25% over yesterday. France not in but you can’t tell anything about their numbers anyway. They hold back numbers and then just dump them in on later days. You can get nothing out of their figures.

  760. Big Joe says:

    “Chris Murray” model still not updated. Last update was to incorporate the April 1 data.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    Big Joe

  761. Tgca says:

    786

    Agreed on project postmortems. No pun intended. We do that in big business projects too. Go back and look at the weakness and strengths to try and learn from it after the project.

    The problem here is that the retrospective look will be highly partisan, especially with Dems leading it. Expect impeachment-like hearings because of their TDS.

    I agree all the public focus now should be on the solutions now but also let’s not create a vacuum of praise for WHO, Fauci, and others who missed the mark on day 1, as they were the ones most likely to have the insight to alert of the risks from day 1. It doesn’t help to publicly criticize them now and distract them from the solutions but at some point, that should be part of the learning postmortem. How could the experts have been so wrong?

    It’s like hailing the fire department as heroes for putting out a fire after they inspect a new building fraught with potential violations but approved it for use in the 1st place.

  762. Tina says:

    Just tre ko’d to the store.

    Almost everything is back in. California now has plastic bags. You have to buy them at check out. You cannot reuse the ones you haven’t use cloth.

    So, the liberals will go nuts, but phuq them.

    Anyway, the bags tore in the rain,

  763. Tina says:

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    ·
    2h
    The
    @IHME_UW
    model vs reality for New York State, April 5. The model is less accurate than ever. 69K beds projected, 16.5K actually needed; 12,346 ICU beds projected, 4376 needed. Even better (tho not for the model), overall bed count rose less than 600 statewide – less than 4%.

  764. jason says:

    Chris Murray” model still not updated. Last update was to incorporate the April 1 data.”

    Not updated but the death figure was right on track last night for the mid-range projection.

    Tonight we need less than 1529 to stay under that.

  765. Pitchaboy says:

    NY beginning turn around.

  766. jason says:

    “Dr. Fauci: “Unless we get this globally under control, there is a very good chance that it will assume a seasonal nature in the sense that if – and I hope it’s not only if but when – we get it down to a point where it is really at a low level, we need to be prepared. Since it will be unlikely to be completely eradicated from the planet, as we get into next season, we may see the beginning of a resurgence. And that’s why we’re pushing so hard to get our preparedness much better than it was but, importantly, pushing on a vaccine and doing clinical trials for therapeutic interventions so that hopefully, if in fact we do see that resurgence, we will have interventions that we did not have in the beginning of the situation that we’re in right now”

  767. Big Joe says:

    “Tonight we need less than 1529 to stay under that.”

    Correct. If we come in around that number, the model’s prediction of approx 93.5K deaths overall should not change drastically.

    I did see this little tidbit on their “Updates” page (http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates). So they might be tinkering with the model. The model was on the money with yesterday’s prediction though.

    “COVID-19: What’s New for April 3, 2020
    As the pandemic progresses, we are working to incorporate new data about the virus in the US.”

    Big Joe

  768. jason says:

    Great news Pitch.

  769. jason says:

    A lot of states showing better numbers today, let’s hope they hold up.

  770. Pitchaboy says:

    Hospitalization is coming down. Ventilator demand down. Very positive. Speaking with my buddies out there. Agree with you Jason, fingers crossed on numbers today.
    Conservative sites freaking out on ankle monitors in LA. South Korea used similar approach. Can you imagine if Trump proposed it in January.

  771. jason says:

    I think if we don’t have more NYs in LA, Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Detroit or New Orleans we are not going to get to 93k deaths.

    That is a big IF of course, but so far we are not seeing the huge spikes in these hot spots.

  772. jason says:

    But I would agree with “passports” for those that can be shown to be immune (recovered or tested as asymptomatic recovered).

  773. Tina says:

    ??

    Laurence Tribe
    @tribelaw
    · 5h
    What if we were to learn that Trump suppressed scary information re COVID-19 (and the needed federal response) in January to postpone the economic turndown until it could no longer endanger his Senate acquittal? Retweet if you wouldn’t be surprised by his making that tradeoff.

  774. Tina says:

    If seeded in November, then the models are wrong.

    njamin Weingarten
    @bhweingarten
    ·
    2h
    It would be intellectually dishonest, at minimum, not to acknowledge that if the first case of ChiCom coronavirus was in November, that it would’ve been here for far longer than models and certainly talking heads seem to recognize

  775. Tina says:

    23
    68
    155

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    ·
    7h
    Florida hospital update: Another 1300 beds opened up overnight, the hospitals are now almost half-empty. ICU beds flat.

  776. jason says:

    Breaking News:

    “Fossil suggests Homo erectus is 200,000 years older than thought”

  777. ssq says:

    jason, we don’t need this “homo” and “erectus” pornography filth on a family blog.

  778. jason says:

    What if we were to learn that Trump suppressed scary information re COVID-19 (and the needed federal response) in January to postpone the economic turndown until it could no longer endanger his Senate acquittal?”

    This could be true.

    All Trump would have to do is buy off the Chinese, the WHO, and Dr. Fauci.

    He has the money to do it.

  779. VictrC says:

    Given as we’ve been in stay at home mode for three weeks, with four weeks to go, I assume there will be a lot of homo erectus going around.

    That’s what she said.

  780. jason says:

    Oh, and Pelosi and DeBlasio and Cuomo.

  781. jason says:

    I assume there will be a lot of homo erectus going around.”

    Really?

    I guess it would be ok with PPE.

  782. Bitterlaw says:

    810 why examine fossils? Just ask Walt.

  783. jason says:

    Uh oh…

    A Lt. Col. Bullman says he heard someone say that they heard a conversation where somebody said their cousin’s lawyer knows someone who overheard someone warning Trump the virus was very serious in January.

    Schiff issuing subpoenas as we speak.

    Could be the end (version # 278).

  784. jason says:

    Walt, did you run into any homos erectus on the African plains?

  785. lisab says:

    i think the election will be a blowout

    not sure for who yet, i just don’t think it will be close now. either trump cruises to relection or he is dead man walking depending on how this turns out by november.

    unless biden drops he is the nominee. he cannot be removed easily.

    at some point, the dem contenders will simply start thinking of a 2024 run against pence, and just using biden as a sacrificial lamb. no one wants to replace biden and then lose in a blowout.

  786. Tina says:

    Possible presser today

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    14m
    I will be having a White House CoronaVirus Task Force meeting in a short while. May or may not do a News Conference after the meeting, depending on new information. Talks & meetings today are proving promising, but a rough two weeks are coming up!

  787. Bitterlaw says:

    818 What happens on the African plains stays on the African plains.

  788. Wes says:

    When the first Homo sapiens evolved Walt walked up to them and said, “What took you so long?.”

  789. Tina says:

    British PM hospitalized.

  790. Tgca says:

    Jadon:

    This is what the gay men have been saying for years. We’ve been around a long time. We’re your friends, family, and neighbors. Some just refuse to acknowledge it. Glad to see there’s some scientific proof to substantiate it.

    810
    Breaking News:

    “Fossil suggests Homo erectus is 200,000 years older than thought”

  791. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There was a post that referenced the approval process for AZT. It was fiasco, and is one of the reasons that Dr. Fauci wants to complete the full clinical trial process before the FDA formally approves chloroquine for the treatment of CORVID-19.

    The FDA approved AZT for use treating HIV based on only preliminary results from early clinical trials in early 1987. Celia Farber wrote it was ‘lightning-quick approval to a highly toxic drug about which there was little information.’ However, there had been initial results that showed AZT having a dramatic survival benefit for AIDS patients. Because of its quick approval, further clinical trials of AZT in the U.S. were put on the backburner.

    However, a massive Anglo-French clinical trial (Concorde) of AZT continued, and after three years of study, in 1993 it found that AZT provided no benefit in the long-term, and often had toxic side effects. Dr. Fauci, was caught flat-footed, said he needed to examine the data more closely, and argued the study “confirms on a short-term basis there is a benefit from AZT”. However, “AIDS activists and even officials from Britain’s MRC were critical of NIAID officials for downplaying the early administration of AZT may not be a good idea.” (Quotes are from Science Magazine article dated April 9 1993.) The use of AZT rapidly ended.

    Am all for early use of chloroquine under the compassionate use protocol, which by the way Dr. Fauci took the lead in developing. It is a commonly used drug; I have taken it as a preventive medicine when traveling to the tropics. Medical professionals are reported positive results. But Dr, Fauci is correct in stating it needs to go through proper clinical trials before the FDA formally approves it as a treatment for COV-19.

  792. jason says:

    SDC, you are going to confuse Tina with facts and logic.

    Remember, Dr. Fauci supported Hillary in 2016.

  793. jason says:

    “The number of infections and deaths in New York, the epicentre of the US coronavirus outbreak, is dropping for the first time, officials say.

    But in a news conference on Sunday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said it is too early to know the data’s significance.”

  794. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Inan Dogan has put together an interesting chronology of events in the early part of the COV-19 outbreak. The Chinese were in a cover-up mode, which the WHO participated.

    “Three days later, on January 23rd, the World Health Organization’s director-general Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus calmed our nerves, saying “At this time, there is no evidence of human-to-human transmission outside China”, and decided not to declare the coronavirus outbreak a “global emergency”.
    On January 31st, Trump also announced that all foreign nationals who had traveled to China except the immediate family members of US citizens or permanent residents won’t be allowed into the U.S. effective February 2nd, 5 pm (EST). Better late than never, though why just China? The virus had spread to around two dozen countries by the end of January.
    The next day Joe Biden sent the following tweet: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.” So, if Biden were the POTUS, would he have listened to the clowns at the WHO, CDD, and NCIRD and have done nothing?”

  795. Tina says:

    Looks like there is a coronavirus presser after all.

    7 pm est.

    (Wh public pool)

  796. jason says:

    Tks but it would interfere with Wicked Tuna.

  797. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    817. “Uh oh… A Lt. Col. Bullman says he heard someone say that they heard a conversation where somebody said their cousin’s lawyer knows someone who overheard someone warning Trump the virus was very serious in January. Schiff issuing subpoenas as we speak.”

    Schiff needs to act quickly, because the witness stated he needs to return to Mars soon.

  798. Tina says:

    Schiffty and the drats will have another investigstion.

    They will try to impeach him for “being too slow to respond” to a variety thr experts missed.

    Trump needs to do 3 things,

    1 Blister China. (Notice the Chinese bots out there?)

    2. Get to the bottom of whether this was man made virus, or not.

    3. Return manufacturing of critical medical and other stuff here.

  799. Tina says:

    6:45 est

    Wh presser

  800. pitchaboy says:

    I think in a democracy there should be a healthy debate of points of view. Tina’s points are two fold: 1. Is the medical use of HCQ being politicized becaue of Trump’s sales pitch for the drug and 2. Is the response to the pandemic with a total economic shutdown being done against the best instincts of Trump and perpetrated by people who do not have his best political interests.
    I think they are legitimate questions but the evidence at the current moment is a no to both. But, after what this President has been put through in the last 3 years, I would not be totally floored if there is some truth to both concerns.

  801. lisab says:

    Is the medical use of HCQ being politicized becaue of Trump’s sales pitch for the drug
    ———————-

    i thin we saw that already with robbie’s posts

    and the associated media’s negative reaction to trump’s statement

  802. Tina says:

    We also saw what the governors of Michigan and Nevada did, before they reversed themselves.

    Now, the nav Governor is hoarding the pills.

  803. Tgca says:

    I don’t know where folks get their info on AZT. It was used and is still used today with other drugs to combat HIV in certain situations, especially with pregnant mothers and those with reduced antiviral loads in their system. WHO still classifies it as a recommended drug it uses and updated its guidelines in 2019 on its continued recommended use.

    It was one of the 1st drugs used in retro viruses which AIDS is and the reason AIDS is so complex is because retroviruses block the ability to make CD4 cells which are crucial for the immune system to combat foreign agents like HIV.

    Yes, AZT had strong side effects for many in the beginning because of the level of infection folks already had and figuring out dosage benefits. It was not the best single drug for AIDS treatment in the long run but at the time, there were no other drugs available, and AZT extended lives for some and gave them hope. That’s like saying because chemo has strong side effects and it does not help some in the long run it should not be used.

    Many depended on these drugs at the time and I saw some who were sick come back and live for more years because of it. Without AZT, more folks would have died much sooner. I knew a number of people who took it and felt it helped them extend their life. I had a very close friend who died from AIDS at 30 and without AZT and some later drug combinations, he would probably succumbed to some HIV related bouts he had in his early to mid-20s.

    AZT was also used for pregnant women to help reduce the transmission between HIV mothers and babies and has been reported to have saved thousands of lives and reduced infections to babies significantly and is still used for that today as recommended by WHO with other drug combinations depending on the mothers HIV viral level. Again, without it, thousands of babies would have been infected and died.

    AZT had been around since the early 1960s but never used so widely until AIDS. When you have a catastrophic sickness and a drug is available that shows some promise and can extend life for some while more research is done, you just don’t say ignore it even if there are only small studies done to date that show some benefit. You allow folks to use it and monitor it and continue to study it if it can be critical to extending life.

    I think most folks dying back in the 90s that got additional time with AZT would disagree that experimental drugs should not be used if they are willing to try it. That was the controversy over Fauci then and why many AIDS activists were frustrated. They did not have time to say let’s not use experimental drugs until we have years of studies. The activists were angry because some in the medical community were more focused on how interesting this disease was, as well as fame and fortune then how badly it was impacting many sick and terrified gay men.

    AZT helped save lives and is still used today in combination with other drugs though it is not the single drug of choice. Anyone that was in San Francisco in the 90s like I was could attest to the AIDS epidemic, as no US city had a more concentrated impact. So many there ultimately lost their battle to AIDS and AZT was helpful to many during some of the worst times.

    I think AZT side effects is a bad example to make arguments on what treatment is best for COVID19 treatment.

  804. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I believe the strange knee-jerk reaction against off-label use of chloroquine by the liberal press was completely political; if Fauci been the one to bring it up, then the liberal press would likely have been strongly in favor.

  805. Tina says:

    Fallacy said To use Azt against aids, back in the days.

    For SARS, fallacy said we had existing drugs, why “develop a new drug.”

    He needs to be consistent here and he is not.

  806. jason says:

    Hey Big Joe, did you notice the Chris Murray Model also has a state by state projection, you have to click on “Unites States of America”.

    So according to the model my state of PA will peak at 79 deaths a day on April 20.

    Total deaths in PA will be 2023.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

  807. Tina says:

    And just for the record.

    I am not behind #firefauci trending now on twitter. Nor have I posted anything.

  808. jason says:

    I hope Trump gives Fauci the Presidential Medal of Honor when this is over.

  809. jason says:

    NY will peak on April 10th according to the model.

    California will peak on April 30th. The most populous state is projected to have 5000 deaths.

    Texas May 7th. But the second most populous state is projected to have about 6000 deaths.

    DC April 13th with 9 deaths per day, 219 total.

    NJ April 8th.

  810. jason says:

    Bloomberg News:

    Hotspot Deaths Slow

    New York State fatalities fell for the first time. Italy had the fewest deaths in more than two weeks. France reported the lowest number in five days and Spain’s tally fell for three days in a row.

  811. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates called the coronavirus pandemic a “nightmare scenario.”
    However, he predicted that the U.S. could see less than 100,000 to 240,000 deaths from COVID-19 before the outbreak is under control.

    Gates said if people continue practicing safe social distancing and remain in quarantine, cases should begin leveling off toward the end of this month.

  812. Tgca says:

    If only Giuliani was in charge on the onset instead of a Blasio perhaps NYC would have faired better perhaps not.

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/giuliani-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine/2020/04/05/id/961457/

  813. Tgca says:

    843

    Fauci gets the medal if he says nice things about Trump. Otherwise, no deal.

  814. jason says:

    “Fauci gets the medal if he says nice things about Trump.”

    Ma….

  815. Tgca says:

    Why is Drudge saying the fired navy captain is a hero? He had a very serious and legitimate concern but then he purposely bungled raising the issue and put the lives of our servicemen at risk and violated security protocol. We have many enemies out there that may have seen this as opportunity to strike at our perceived vulnerability.

    My understanding is the issue was being addressed and he had senior officers on the ship he could have raised the issue to as well. If that is true, then I don’t understand why he chose a different route that resulted in his predicament.

    That being said, hope he gets well soon.

  816. jason says:

    I don’t click on Drudge anymore.

    It is bash Trump and create panic 24/7.

  817. jason says:

    This captain in no hero.

    In the military, chain of command is essential.

    He violated it and didn’t protect the confidentiality of his communications.

    He should resign from the Navy.

  818. Tgca says:

    852

    He got fired!

    Now if the chain of command refused to address the issue and it was clearly a case of military deaths ensuing without any doubt, then I could understand but that was not the case here. The Navy was not about to let a few thousand men perish and cover it up, especially since some of the officers he copied the communication to were on the same ship.

  819. jason says:

    He was captain of a carrier.

    He won’t be promoted.

    He won’t get the command of another vessel.

    He can take a desk job somewhere in human resources or procurement or resign.

    He should resign, take his pension and go grow tomatoes somewhere.

  820. jason says:

    He wasn’t fired in the traditional sense. He was relieved of his command and will be reassigned.

    But his career is over.

    In the military, if your service file says something like “lost the confidence of his superior officer” you will never be promoted.

    The competition to get command of a carrier is fierce. There is no reason to keep anybody not viewed as absolutely stellar.

  821. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt said to tell everyone here that he is feeling OK.

    Still able to accomplish all Mrs. Walt’s chore list.

  822. Tina says:

    Basically, the presstitutes are upset that the anti malaria drug is being shipped to hospitals for usage.

    The CNN and n reporter wanted it not to be used until 18 months of testing is done

    They are the Wh Corposes

  823. Tina says:

    They are also triggered by this, which Dr. Fauci backed up.

    The Hill
    @thehill
    ·
    56m
    President Trump: “We see light at the end of the tunnel. Things are happening. Things are happening. We’re starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. And hopefully in the not-too-distant future, we’ll be very proud of the job we all did.”

  824. dblaikie says:

    Jason, I am beginning to think that these models are about as accurate as climate change models. My goodness both Texas and California both had less than 25 fatalities per state. If they are to tragically reach 5000 and 6000 fatalities they are going to have to a rocket like increase in cases and deaths.

  825. dblaikie says:

    less than 25 fatalities today

  826. Phil says:

    Who in God’s name was that CNN reporter at the news conference just now? What a pr*ck. Over and over he kept up the insinuation that Trump was doing something terrible by suggesting people consider taking the malaria drug…as if Trump was the one writing the prescriptions for it. Only the doctors can do that. Trump’s message was it has been proven over the years not to be harmful and that people were dying so why not give it a shot since there have been some success stories. In fact, that’s exactly what he said. The FDA said it’s ok to use so what’s CNN’s damned problem?

    What does CNN so hung up on this for? I don’t see why they keep pounding and pounding on this. Someone help me here.

  827. Phil says:

    The CNN reporter’s questions and comments read exactly like Robbie’s last post.

  828. Tina says:

    Phil, if 1700 went home in nyc today from the hospital, why?

    What were they given?

    Something must be working?

  829. Phil says:

    CNN would say that was terrible news. It’s like they want corpses.

  830. Tina says:

    Cn am n presstitute s name is Jeremy Diamond.

  831. Tina says:

    This does not compute.

    att Wolking (Text TRUMP to 88022) Retweeted

    Trump War Room – Text TRUMP to 88022
    @TrumpWarRoom
    ·
    45m
    Joe Biden: “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.”

  832. PresidentPaul! says:

    Joe Rogan Exposes Democrats Denying Biden’s Dementia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujXkimtjGf4

  833. pinmkpijq says:

    ????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????

  834. Big Joe says:

    #841, Jason-

    “Hey Big Joe, did you notice the Chris Murray Model also has a state by state projection, you have to click on “Unites States of America”.”

    Yes sir. It’s the state by state projections that make me think the model may be accurate after all. While NY will peak soon (if not already), you still have big states like TX and FL that are not scheduled to peak until early May.

    When combined, TX, FL, and other mid-sized states are projected to produce NY/NJ-like numbers. So while deaths per state are down, there are more states with deaths, which keep overall deaths high. Hope that makes sense.

    Big Joe

  835. Victrc says:

    So Liberals are already saying that Trump was lying to CNN about HCQ and that it just added to his 17,000 verified lies etc etc etc

    Even the Gov’s like Michigan who are trying to run for VP by constantly attacking the Fed response. It is all about politics

  836. jason says:

    Don’t think so Big Joe.

    This things move in tandem, if the national curve starts flattening earlier than predicted in the model, as may be the case, then it is likely the other state curves will be flatter too.

    It is really looking like the 93k death figure of the model may be too high.

    Oh, just saw it has been revised down to 82k.

    Great news. The peak has higher deaths per day than before, but the down slope is faster.

  837. jason says:

    Big Joe, I know the above post looks fake, but I really wrote “93k too high” and then checked the model before finishing the post.

  838. jason says:

    What does CNN so hung up on this for? ”

    They might be panicking that millions won’t die.

  839. Big Joe says:

    Jason,

    I’m still seeing 93,531 predicted deaths. This is on https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections.

    I agree there are a lot of variables at play. If NY peaks earlier than expected, that should bring total projections down (but still high). If mitigation guidelines are not followed, then we could see the opposite affect. I’m thinking all eyes should be on MI, TX, and FL (among other medium sized states) over the next week or so. Their respective curves should be adjusted based on the NY actuals, then let’s see what the data from those states looks like over the next several weeks.

    It would have been nice if the model was updated daily as we were led to believe it would. Hopefully they’ll start updating again.

    Big Joe

  840. mRviTO says:

    Journalism is dead.

    James Hohmann
    @jameshohmann
    · 3h
    Trump just said he’s seeing gasoline selling for 91 cents a gallon.

    AAA says the national average is $1.94.

    https://gasprices.aaa.com

  841. VictrC says:

    That reporter is intellectually dishonest. A simple search found gas at 91.9 at Firelake Grand Travel Plaza in Shawnee, OK

    But hey, he wants to make Trump look bad I guess.

  842. mRviTO says:

    “Intellectually dishonest”

    He wishes he was getting called that on twitter right now…

    most people are just calling him a moron or asking their middle schoolers to explain to him how an average works.

  843. mRviTO says:

    Maybe WAPO will give mathematics four pinocchios.

  844. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    These are the daily Swedish cases this month.
    April 1/ 512
    April 2/ 621
    April 3/ 563
    April 4/ 312
    April 5/ 384

    What makes Sweden unique is it has not enacted as many restrictions as other countries

    “1. Unlike the rest of the continent, people in Sweden as of Friday were still permitted to visit restaurants for sit-down meals, get a haircut and even send children under the age of 16 to school.
    2. It’s all part of Sweden’s plan that focuses on self-responsibility as the government turns its attention to isolating and treating confirmed coronavirus patients, instead of widespread shelter-in-place orders.
    3. Sweden’s Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has expressed skepticism about enforcing a sustained period of lockdown. While bans have been placed on gatherings of 50 or more people and Swedes have been told to avoid unnecessary travel, these are relatively laidback restrictions when compared to other European countries that are shutting down schools and restricting everyday movement.
    4. The government instead has emphasized a set of guidelines, like encouraging increased hand washing, social distancing and limiting contact with vulnerable people, like those over age 70.
    5. Recent numbers show Swedes appear to be following social distancing guidelines even when they’re not required by law. Passenger numbers on public transportation in the capital have fallen by half, and polls indicate that half of residents there are working from home.”

  845. mRviTO says:

    Rob Leathern
    @robleathern
    · 4h
    Facebook is working with @SBAgov to connect small business owners with SBA loan programs. Small businesses on Facebook and Instagram will now see messages directing them to the SBA’s COVID-19 site to learn about options and apply for relief funds

  846. lisab says:

    before you embrace a sweden type approach

    keep in mind that there was no way to know what the death total was going to be before hand

    sweden may have taken a gamble and won,

    but

    we could easily been facing 2 million deaths

  847. Country Dick Montana says:

    I think that we are making a mistake by modeling other states on NY statistics. Remember that 2/3 of NY deaths are in NYC where there is a population density of 28,000 per square mile or 44 per acre. They were also very late to mitigating measures. The most dense cities in Texas are likely on the order of 3500/square mile. In California SF has the 2nd highest density at 17000/Square Mile yet we aren’t seeing nearly the same numbers there.

  848. jason says:

    The updated PA projection is not too bad.

    0 ICU bed shortage, 0 bed shortage, 267 ventilators needed at peak.

    5 days to peak on April 11 with 32 deaths.

    Essentially over (1-2 deaths a day) around May 7.

    First day of 0 deaths May 13.

    Total deaths 782, but hopefully somewhat lower.

  849. Tina says:

    Trump,has said thst gas, at some stations, are less than $1.

    He never said anything about median gas prices.

    So, the reporter is wrong.

  850. jason says:

    before you embrace a sweden type approach

    keep in mind that there was no way to know what the death total was going to be before hand

    sweden may have taken a gamble and won,”

    No.

    The 2 million figure was for zero mitigation.

    Sweden does have mitigation, just not a shutdown.

    So our risk with mitigation (social distancing, isolating at risk people, etc.) would have been lower.

    But yes, still risking hundreds of thousands of deaths, but probably not millions.

  851. Tina says:

    LOS ANGELES — A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

    https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

  852. Tina says:

    Is this serious?

    Rep. Tavia Galonski
    @RepGalonski
    · 10h
    I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one. https://twitter.com/1036Go/status/1246973143757004800

  853. Tina says:

    Bots wanted twitter to take this down. They claim the video of Biden is manipulated.

    Trump War Room – Text TRUMP to 88022
    @TrumpWarRoom
    · 11h
    Joe Biden: “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.”

  854. jason says:

    The model now says DC will peak tomorrow.

  855. jasonj says:

    Idiotic question by MSM at presser.

    “There are grocery stores that are open, fast food places. Why even take a little chance? Just shut it all down…temporarily.”

  856. jason says:

    I am sure it hurt the reporter to have to say “temporarily”

  857. Tgca says:

    Ocho! Nueve! Cinco!

  858. Tina says:

    disgusting! ABC Host Asks Pence: Do You Talk To God About The People Who Die Because Of Your Inaction? (VIDEO)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/abc-hosts-asks-pence-talk-god-people-die-inaction-video/

  859. jason says:

    Crime against humanity?

    Ron Klain, Biden Coronavirus advisor

    “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to NYC Mayor (and others) for standing against that”

  860. jason says:

    That was Feb 13.

  861. Tina says:

    Lots of frauds out there with their predictions.

    Mark R. Levin
    @marklevinshow
    ·
    1h
    1. I thought Gates favored a national shutdown. Now he says the death rate will be less than predicted. For weeks I’ve questioned these predictions, and for weeks the leftwing media frauds have attacked what I’ve been saying.
    140
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  862. jason says:

    Big Joe, what do you think of the updated Chris Murray model?

  863. Tina says:

    It’s a crime againstt humanity that trump mentioned anti malaria drug. This, despite, the drug being approved for offf branding and now having an emergency approval from the FDA.

    HE CANNOT TSLK ABOUT IT AND MUST BE REFERREED TO THE HAGUE.

  864. Tina says:

    Today’s corona presser should be lit.

    Mark R. Levin
    @marklevinshow
    · 1h
    2. I wonder if they’ll unleash on Gates, and now Fauci and Brix who have concluded today that the death rate won’t be as high as they and their models suggested just a few days ago.

  865. Tina says:

    But we were told that these are the best gubment officials ever.

    Eli Lake
    @EliLake
    ·
    Apr 4
    ICYMI the FBI has had a systemic problem of failing to follow procedures to verify facts its lawyers and agents submit to the secret surveillance court. This is a failure of leadership for both James Comey and Bob Mueller.

  866. Tina says:

    Like the last year (current) flue season?

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    7h
    Wait… wha… is this real? A regular high-flu season reaches 65k to 80k deaths.
    Quote Tweet

    Clay Travis
    @ClayTravis
    · 8h
    University of Washington just updated their model. Now shows the coronavirus outbreak over much sooner. Projected total deaths down to 80k. https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

  867. Pitchaboy says:

    As a guy who is getting ready to walk into COVID unit in 5 minutes, let me say this:
    1. This IS NOT the flu. With mitigation it will kill as many as bad flu season like 2018. Without mitigation, it would have been 4 to 8 times more
    2. It kills and sickens far more young people than flu does.
    3. There is ample anecdotal evidence of HCQ success and that includes my patients. But anecdotes don’t make science which is why trials are done.

  868. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Navarro: ‘unanimous decision’ to unload hydroxychloroquine in hot zones.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6147392023001#sp=show-clips

  869. jason says:

    But anecdotes don’t make science which is why trials are done.”

    That is news to the Fauci haters.

  870. jason says:

    Fauci and Brix who have concluded today that the death rate won’t be as high as they and their models suggested just a few days ago.”

    Zzzzzzz…..

    Both Fauci and Birx stated clearly they thought those number were not cast in stone and Fauci particularly said “I am not accepting these numbers, I think we can do a lot better”.

  871. Tina says:

    The axioms article indicating that the task force had an ugly meeting over the anti malaria drug is fake news, I suspected it to be when they mentioned 4 sources.”

    The names that were mentioned are not leakers.

    Navarro also indicated that it is being used in all NY HOSPITALS because the director likes the results so far. See video in my previous post.

  872. Tina says:

    ALX ?? Retweeted

    ALX ??
    @alx
    ·
    13h
    CNN’s
    @JDiamond1
    asks President Trump why he ‘promotes’ Hydroxychloroquine.

    Trump: “I want to save lives. I don’t want it to be in a lab for the next year and a half as people are dying all over the place… only CNN would ask that question. Fake News.”

  873. jason says:

    “NBC Philadelphia reports that Earth Day co-founder Ira Einhorn, 79, has died in prison. Susan McNaughton, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Corrections, said Einhorn died early Friday in in a western Pennsylvania state prison of natural causes.

    In April 2011, NBC reported that environmental activist Ira Einhorn “was on stage hosting the first Earth Day event at the Fairmount Park in Philadelphia on April 22, 1970. Seven years later, police raided his closet and found the “composted” body of his ex-girlfriend inside a trunk.”

    In the 1960s, Einhorn was an outspoken and engaging student at the University of Pennsylvania. He opposed the Vietnam war, in fact he claimed to oppose all violence. Like many of his peers at that time, he was a hippie who supported flower power, peace, free love and, of course, the environment. He called himself “Unicorn” because his German-Jewish last name translates to “one horn.”

  874. PresidentPaul! says:

    Jamie Diamond releases yearly letter: warns against the dangers of democratic socialism (Bernie!)

    https://reports.jpmorganchase.com/investor-relations/2019/ar-ceo-letters.htm

  875. jason says:

    He might have actually gotten away with it if 18 months later decomposing fluids started seeping into the apartment below.

    But he skipped bail and did get 23 years free living in Europe before being finally extradited and jailed for life.

  876. jason says:

    Bernie doesn’t believe in “democratic socialism”.

  877. jason says:

    I personally don’t believe anything Navarro says, if I could pick one person in the Trump administration to get rid of it would be him.

    I hope it is being used in all NY hospitals. But if it is, that is probably news to Cuomo.

  878. jason says:

    I am trying to decide whether I would rather watch reruns of Hillary’s stump speeches in 2016 or read “Jamie Diamonds yearly letter”.

    Hmmm……

  879. Big Joe says:

    #900, Jason-

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/

    Something seems off. Were there 1,745 total US deaths yesterday? The graph says that is the total, the spreadsheet says 1,745 is the predicted number.

    Big Joe

  880. Tina says:

    I am triggered.

    Trump says there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Jebot

  881. Tina says:

    Lock the beotch up.

    Will Chamberlain
    @willchamberlain
    ·
    11m
    We are not signatories to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court

    They have no jurisdiction over America or Americans, period

    For an elected official to demand that the ICC prosecute our President is literally treasonous

  882. Tina says:

    Jennifer Jacobs
    @JenniferJJacobs
    ·
    3m
    Chinese customs data shows China bought 2.2 billion masks Jan. 24 to late Feb., Peter Navarro said on Fox. “Those statistics are telling a story about China basically going out and trying to corner the world market in PPE when they knew the dangers and didn’t tell” rest of world.

  883. jason says:

    No, deaths yesterday were 1165. The 1745 is predicted, not actual.

    What seems off is the April 4 number of 1755, it was not that high.

    If this is wrong, the 81,766 projection will be too high.

  884. jason says:

    Trump says there is light at the end of the tunnel.”

    The MSM and the Never Trumpers will hate that.

    They were looking forward to shutting down grocery stores and fast food.

  885. dblaikie says:

    Pitch I must say first of all thank you for being on the front line concerning this virus. You and all those who walk into covid19 units are wonderful and courageous.

    But I would like to ask one question. I know that you are waiting for the controlled test — I get that. However you said HCQ has been successful with your patients. How is that just anecdotal? It is more than that — if it helped that is a fact. Maybe it is not “science” but it still is a fact!

    My prayers are with you and your staff as you enter into a coronavirus unit. God bless you, Pitch!!

  886. dblaikie says:

    I think it is funny and sad how through the Impeachment debacle we heard the talking heads drone on that Trump wanted to be a King and that was the most dangerous thing in the history of America. But now these same infuriating people drone on about how bad he is because he hasn’t usurped the State Governors and imposed a nationwide in shelter order.

  887. Phil says:

    Mr Kelly Conway, Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Navarro….the usual suspects throwing in hard on the ”Trump irresponsible promoting hydroxychloroquine” These vile people seem to be betting big on this. I think it’s a really bad bet myself. Even if it only works somewhat, how can anyone be against trying it when It has been used for years safely….especiaIly when the doctor has to approve it. I think they are soooo blinded by Trump hatred that they are really out on a limb here.

    Several tweets now mentioning the “grounds for impeachment” BS again. huh??

  888. jason says:

    However you said HCQ has been successful with your patients. How is that just anecdotal?”

    Of course that is anecdotal.

    That is exactly the definition.

    “Based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation”

  889. Tina says:

    I think it’s criminal that they want to say it does not work.

    It may work, it may not.

    But why are those nasty folks trying to kill the hope of patients suffering?

  890. Big Joe says:

    #921, Jason-
    Right. The graph may be the graph from April 3rd so it would be a couple of days old. It’s saying 4/4 and 4/5 deaths are actuals when they are actually predicted values (per their own spreadsheet). We already know that 4/4 and 4/5 actuals came in below projections so the overall death tally should come down from the current projection of 82K.

    The model is now also predicting a higher spike with 3,130 deaths on 4/16 (project peak day). However this is unreliable because the incorrect 4/4 and 4/5 values are being used to create this projection. If true, it means greater stress of hospital systems which would be very concerning.

    I’m deeply disappointed at the sloppiness in this data and sporadic updates. Bummer, could have been a contendah.

    Date Deaths that day
    3/30/2020 520 (actual)
    3/31/2020 877 (actual)
    4/1/2020 891 (actual)
    4/2/2020 1149 (actual)
    4/3/2020 1157 (actual)
    4/4/2020 1755 (projected)
    4/5/2020 1745 (projected)
    4/6/2020 1967 (projected)
    4/7/2020 2140 (projected)
    4/8/2020 2348 (projected)
    4/9/2020 2532 (projected)
    4/10/2020 2680 (projected)
    4/11/2020 2821 (projected)
    4/12/2020 3045 (projected)
    4/13/2020 2896 (projected)
    4/14/2020 3067 (projected)
    4/15/2020 3039 (projected)
    4/16/2020 3130 (projected)
    4/17/2020 3042 (projected)
    4/18/2020 3077 (projected)
    4/19/2020 2921 (projected)
    4/20/2020 2858 (projected)
    4/21/2020 2722 (projected)
    4/22/2020 2595 (projected)

    Source: https://covid19.healthdata.org/
    I neither endorse nor reject this model. Just cleaning and posting as a PSA. Rock on!

    Big Joe

  891. jason says:

    Big Joe, I think the state data is more valuable than the national data, you might be compounding fewer errors.

  892. jason says:

    If Cuomo ran for President, I bet he would wish he hadn’t said this:

    Flasback Gov. Andrew Cuomo: ‘We’re not going to make America great again; it was never that great.’

  893. jason says:

    Market up 900 pts?

    I guess we won’t see Roadkill Maggot….

  894. Tina says:

    Cuomo

    I could have bought 16000 ventilators, but I did not.

    We are broke.

  895. Tina says:

    CBS with another fake video

    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    · Apr 5
    In tears, a nurse says she quit her job after she was asked to work in a coronavirus ICU without a face mask: “America is not prepared, and nurses are not being protected” https://cbsn.ws/3bH5bya

  896. jason says:

    I neither endorse nor reject this model. Just cleaning and posting as a PSA. Rock on!

    Big Joe”

    What?

    Sorry, you know the HHR rules.

    You post it, you own it. No free lunch. No disclaimers.

    Corey can remember things I supposedly wrote 10 years ago.

    Of course, my wife can remember things I supposedly said 25 years ago…..

  897. dblaikie says:

    Jason, yes I know that is anecdotal information. The definition is clear. What I was saying is if hcq actually helped a patient then that is a fact.

  898. Pitchaboy says:

    Dbalkie: just like a broken clock can be correct twice in a day, medications can appear to work by chance. We therefore conduct randomized double blinded trials. Half the patients get the medicine and half get placebo. Neither the physician nor the patient knows what they got. Only the trial coordinator does. If there is quick overwhelming evidence of success or danger from the meds, we see statistical signals that will stop the trial

    We offer trials to patient and family. If they are uncomfortable, they get HCQ and Zpack.

  899. jason says:

    Jason, yes I know that is anecdotal information.”

    So why did you ask?

    “However you said HCQ has been successful with your patients. How is that just anecdotal?”

  900. Pitchaboy says:

    If a drug works in this rigorous clinical trial setting, the chances it is a fluke is less than 5%

  901. jason says:

    What I was saying is if hcq actually helped a patient then that is a fact.”

    It is anecdotal evidence.

    I don’t know why this seems like rocket science to some people.

    Pitch made it clear above.

    “But anecdotes don’t make science which is why trials are done.”

  902. Tina says:

    An interesting read from a big bear.

    Larry Schweikart
    @LarrySchweikart
    ·
    1h
    https://zerohedge.com/markets/wall-streets-formerly-biggest-bear-goes-all-ahead-coming-runaway-inflation…

    Recession in 1918 lasted 7 months.

    During a war.

    Under Woodrow Wilson.

  903. jason says:

    Comment on the end of article on how a tiger at the Bronx zoo has COVID-19:

    “A tiger and a granpaw ask you for the ventilator. Which one do you argue with?”

  904. Country Dick Montana says:

    924_”we heard the talking heads drone on that Trump wanted to be a King and that was the most dangerous thing in the history of America.”

    Let’s see

    1. Attacked by the press and no journalist jailed or disappeared.

    2. Attacked by his political rivals, survives the attempt to overthrow an election and no rival purged, jailed or disappeared

    3.Attacked by the bureaucracy and no civil servant fired, jailed or disappeared.

    4. Only the 275th richest person in America

    To paraphrase

    #WORSTDICTATAHEVAH

  905. dblaikie says:

    Pitch of course I understand what you are saying. I know that the controlled study is the final answer. But the fact that you are prescribing this drug to your patients and that you say, that there “ample” anecdotal evidence, including your patients that it is helpful. If it is just hit or miss like a broken clock — that is one thing. But if “ample” means over and over again — that puts this drug in another place.

    I guess my frustration is with the talking heads who are bad mouthing this medicine. Frankly, as Pastor who has had many parishioners with terminal illnesses I have become a believer in the “right to try.” But this drug, if given under the care of physician like you, is safe. I feel it is tragedy when this drug or any other becomes political. It is sickening to me that there are some, for political reasons, who hope this drug will proven not to be helpful for political reason.

    So I am glad that you are prescribing HCQ as you await the verdict of a controlled study. Pitch if I lived near you, I would be pleased if you were my physician.

  906. Pitchaboy says:

    Consciously or otherwise, every time Trump mentions this drug, it is becoming a political weapon. There is a bunch of people who are praying this drug flops. Part of the reason doctors are giving it is they are seeing some responses. Part is it is a well known drug with few side effects. Part is there are not many other alternatives. Once we have a positive trial, the crazy left(there are some doctors in this group) will STHU and give the drug. Unti that time, I want Trump to STHU and have the doctors on his team answer treatment related questions.

  907. DW says:

    Bottom line is covid19 doesn’t have an R or D after its name, but there are some hate-filled people whose hatred is so strong they don’t care whether or not people die, so long as they get political gain out of it. Sad.

  908. Tina says:

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    · 16m
    Michigan’s incompetent Democrat Gov. Gretchen Whitmer spends interview on the coronavirus discussing favorite snack foods with Joe Biden.

  909. NYCmike says:

    May be unfair, but at this moment, people/doctors pushing for clinical trials look like George B McClellan, while doctors on the front line pushing for these anecdotal alternatives look like Grant & Sherman.

  910. Tina says:

    Pamela Hall
    @PamelaH76306667
    · 17m
    Replying to @sethjlevy
    Cuomo said at his presser this morning there was anecdotal hydrochloroquinalone was working in NY.

  911. NYCmike says:

    n/t