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Biden Leads Trump By 6% in FL

As COVID-19 keeps more and more people home, the University of North Florida decided to release a new poll for the General Election match up in Florida between Joe Biden and Donald Trump and it shows Biden up by 65 in a state I think everyone would agree Trump has to win.

PRESIDENT – FLORIDA (UNF)
Joe Biden (D) 46%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 40%

This poll was done March 31 to April 4 among 3,222 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 12:31 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (1,968)

1,968 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 6% in FL”

  1. NYCmike says:

    F R I S T ! ! !

  2. NYCmike says:

    Like NYC in EVERYTHING!

  3. Tgca says:

    Tres Bebe! Tres!

  4. Tgca says:

    If thousands of folks across the world are being prescribed the drug, and it’s helpful, that’s beyond anecdotal. These are the Drs closest to the pandemic treating the sick. Folks in DC are not at the frontline treating patients. They’re monitoring info being passed to them by the frontline Drs. It’s always best to get studies done and follow long-term results, but right now don’t let bureaucracy get in the way of saving lives. …and don’t give me the BS about any one professional being an expert.p and head of an agency, as we already know they missed some items to begin with so it’s fair to question if they have all the answers. There are many equally qualified folks out there that work on this illness and the fact of the matter they are not in an appointed position does not mean they are wrong. History is full of studies being updated over time.

    I ask anyone on this site if there closest loved one was suffering right now and they knew of a drug that had been reported to help thousands around the world by hundreds of frontline doctors, would they say no because some experienced administrators not involved in daily treatments are cautioning against it in semantics?

    No one is saying it’s a miracle cure, they’re saying it should be considered an emergency recommended treatment option. If we wait for long term studies, folks would be dead and the studies would be inconclusive because the pandemic killed them all.

  5. jason says:

    Well, he could have lost it in 2016 and still won but I do think he needs it in 2020.

  6. lisab says:

    The 2 million figure was for zero mitigation.

    Sweden does have mitigation, just not a shutdown.

    So our risk with mitigation (social distancing, isolating at risk people, etc.) would have been lower.

    But yes, still risking hundreds of thousands of deaths, but probably not millions.
    ——————————————

    probably not millions, but possibly millions …

    we now know that this disease is not as bad as first thought and we now know we have some effective drugs

    but we did not know this in february. millions of dead is worst case scenario, but worst cases do happen

    just like with katrina. everyone new a cat 5 hurricane could hit new orleans and break the levies, but it was not considered likely

  7. jason says:

    Italy only 3600 cases today, another big drop.

    And they have 40k recovered.

  8. lisab says:

    dick morris supports cuomo replacing biden via write-in

  9. NYCmike says:

    May be unfair, but at this moment, people/doctors pushing for clinical trials look like George B McClellan, while doctors on the front line pushing for these anecdotal alternatives look like Grant & Sherman.

  10. NYCmike says:

    Did President Trump start signing each one of those relief checks yet?

  11. jason says:

    probably not millions, but possibly millions …”

    I doubt it. I don’t think you would ever have millions with mitigation and isolation of at risk people.

  12. jason says:

    Dick Morris is still alive?

    Who knew

  13. NYCmike says:

    “Dick Morris is still alive?”

    -He is one person the Clinton’s somehow missed.

  14. Tina says:

    Why is cuomo allowed to push hope?

    Pamela Hall
    @PamelaH76306667
    · 17m
    Replying to @sethjlevy
    Cuomo said at his presser this morning there was anecdotal hydrochloroquinalone was working in NY.

  15. Scooterboy says:

    I seldom say trash a poll, but Trump at 40% in Florida? I don’t think so.

  16. Tina says:

    Joe Biden: “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.”

  17. Pitchaboy says:

    The discussion here is my daily nightmare. As an oncologist, I enroll patients in trials daily. Some of you guys are not quite grasping this and I will try one more time before I get back to the ER
    1. The first setting trials are being done is using HCQ in high risk patients to see if it cuts down hospitalization and thereby, mortality. Why should we do this? Because even if you did nothing 80 % get better. Only a well powered study can tell us if we are getting the 80 to a 85 or a 90. Because, if u treated just 40 patients, 32 will get better with nothing, but you would think it is your drug.
    2. The second setting we are using it is in people on a ventilator. Once they go on it 80 percent or more die despite everything. So, this drug ain’t no magic bullet in the toughest of circumstances, hence studies are justified if you are making a dent. This group is easier because with a sample of 100, if you notice mortality in the HCQ is 60% and not 80 you stop the trial and report that the drug works in that setting.

    If such trials are not done, notwithstanding the toughest of questions, we would be stuck with umpteen expensive and toxic treatments that don’t work. That is the power of a well designed trial. And, by the way, if patients don’t want to go on the trial they get the standard treatment, which in this instance in PA is HCQ and Zpack.

  18. Phil says:

    Come on Tina. How can anyone not have confidence in someone that well spoken and clear. Joe inspires such confidence.

  19. Tina says:

    So, another false cbs video.

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    · 12m
    CBS News Posts Misleading Video Of Nurse Crying Over Poor Working Conditions

    She says she was assigned to a COVID patient and “none of the nurses are wearing masks”

    Her claims were not vetted by ?@CBSNews? & got reposted by ?@BernieSanders? https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/06/cbs-news-posts-fraudulent-video-icu-nurse-crying-over-poor-working-conditions/

  20. Tina says:

    Phil, I believe he is up 10 in Florida

  21. DW says:

    Nice work Dave W, ignore the polls showing Trump ahead in a battleground state, but start new threads to show Trump is behind whenever you can.

  22. Phil says:

    If you want to get light haded and dizzy, look at the daily numbers out of France, way up, way down, way up again, etc etc. they have big reporting issues. I don’t know how their government can make decisions with those scattered stats.

  23. lisab says:

    as far as testing, they already have patients who are already taking chloroquine, i.e. for something other than the coronavirus, but for another disease.

    how many of those people have gone on ventilators from the coronavirus?

    presumably if you have malaria or some other disease like lubus, you would be a high risk patient already.

  24. lisab says:

    lubus is the std form of lupus

  25. lisab says:

    ohhhhhh great, there is a forest fire at

    chernobyl

    radiation is way up due to the dust and such going up in the fire

  26. Tina says:

    Venthoarder is now asking the president to provide more anti malaria drug,

  27. jason says:

    f thousands of folks across the world are being prescribed the drug, and it’s helpful, that’s beyond anecdotal.”

    Huh, no.

    Pitch explained it in the previous thread.

    Anecdotal evidence is not a substitute for clinical trials.

    And of course, the “waiting a year” is a a BS straw argument since it is already being prescribed.

  28. NYCmike says:

    Pitch,

    Thanks for your expertise.

    I wish you well, and your fellow hospital workers, as well as your patients.

  29. Tina says:

    Another Biden malfunction today

    Trump War Room – Text TRUMP to 88022
    @TrumpWarRoom
    · 1h
    Joe Biden: “One, we have to uh, depend on what the president’s going to do right now. And first of all, he has to, uh, tell uh, uh—wait til the case is before anything happens. Look the whole idea is he’s got to get in place things that were shortages of.”

  30. jason says:

    you want to get light haded and dizzy, look at the daily numbers out of France, way up, way down, way up again, etc etc. they have big reporting issues. I don’t know how their government can make decisions with those scattered stats.”

    In fairness to France, it is Worldometer that is screwing up the stats.

    Their policy is that if they come across any unreported deaths, no matter when they occurred, they will add it to today’s total. So when they discovered 17k cases in nursing homes over several weeks that were unreported previously, they just added it to that day’s total.

    They do this in the US stats too, that is why sometimes you get some weird disparities in the state numbers from one day to the next.

  31. Tina says:

    And watch the modelers be awarded ribbons.

    J Owen Shroyer
    @allidoisowen
    · 25m
    So the Government/Media complex can come out with radical prediction models driving an entire world into panic then when the models turn out to be wrong they can sit back and say, “see, we saved you”.

    Doesn’t sound dangerous at all.

  32. jason says:

    That malfunction is from last week, not today.

  33. NYCmike says:

    In other news, Pussy Galore passed away…..

  34. jason says:

    The only reason I post this is to illustrate that sometimes a person’s name is very appropriate.

    “A 51-year-old Tracy’s Landing man has been arrested and faces numerous charges after stabbing a 57-year-old man who was sitting in his parked car in the 400 block of Fairhaven Road. The incident occurred March 17 at approximately 8:45 p.m. According to a report from the Anne Arundel County Police Department, the suspect emerged out of the woods yelling, then approached the victim and stabbed him, causing non-life-threatening injuries.

    After receiving first aid from police officers, the victim was taken to an area hospital. On March 18, police identified the suspect as Nhut Daniel Frawley”

  35. lisab says:

    i just watched goldfinger yesterday!

  36. Tina says:

    British pm moved to intensive care.

    Prayers up.

  37. lisab says:

    anecdotal evidence is scientific evidence

    it just is not provably statistically significant.

    many scientific discoveries are based on anecdotal evidence, which are then later proven by studies.

    penicillin, the original vaccines for smallpox, even quinine, the natural form of chloroquine, was accidentally found to help malaria

    and the latter two discoveries happened well before clinical trials existed.

  38. lisab says:

    quinine was used as a anti-malaria drug as early as 1700.

  39. Phil says:

    I keep looking at the daily numbers of cases each day. I keep telling myself to stop that and I really should.

    We should all just look at the numbers Friday and see the trend. This day to day stuff is moronic. I’ve been totally guilty. Day over day tells you nothing. I’ll try to do better.

  40. Tina says:

    Breaking news.

    Peter J. Hasson
    @peterjhasson
    · 11m
    Alyssa Milano, talking about the Joe Biden allegation, says believing women “does not mean at the expense of not, you know, giving men their due process” https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1247217322542002177…
    Show this thread

  41. Tina says:

    The train wreck continues

    Greta Ocasio-Nolte
    @NolteNC
    ·
    13m
    “As recently as Sunday, likely Democrat nominee Joe Biden was still criticizing President Trump’s decision to close America’s borders during the coronavirus pandemic.”

    https://breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/04/06/nolte-joe-biden-still-condemning-border-controls-as-worlds-trump-haters-adopt-them/… via
    @BreitbartNews

  42. jason says:

    anecdotal evidence is scientific evidence”

    Meaningless. You won’t get a drug approved for a specific purpose based on anecdotal evidence.

    “In science, definitions of anecdotal evidence include: “casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis” “information passed along by word-of-mouth but not documented scientifically”

  43. Pitchaboy says:

    Indians chewed on cinchona bark for malaria and consumed parts of Rawolfia Serpentina for hypertension many hundred of years ago. Science has come a long way since.

  44. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here are the three most recent Florida polls from Real Clear Politics:

    UNF: 3244 RV 46% Biden 40% Trump
    Univision: 1071 LV 45% Biden 48% Trump
    Florida Atlantic Univ 1216RV 49% Biden 51% Trump

  45. Phil says:

    Yeah, let’s all sue China for trillions.

    They should be liable…….but good luck collecting.

  46. Cash Cow TM says:

    DRUDGE
    Man shot 5 people for ‘talking too loud’ during lockdown…

  47. jason says:

    99.99% of people with a cold that drink chicken soup get better.

  48. Tina says:

    Steve Guest Retweeted

    Jason Miller
    @JasonMillerinDC
    ·
    4h
    Joe Biden’s podcast has now plummeted to #48 on the Apple Podcast “News” chart.

    Al Franken’s podcast is #43.

  49. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/regional/pennsylvania-is-getting-worse-at-social-distancing-data-shows/

    People in PA getting antsy. Once the weather gets nice its over.

  50. Big Joe says:

    Good day for the markets today. Volatility still high though which means sideways movement for a while, good trader’s market.

    However, we are close to a near-term resistance level which is S&P 2,700. So it could be a good time book some profits.

    Big Joe

  51. jason says:

    We supposedly peak on the 13th with 32 deaths.

    Delaware peaks today with projected 3 deaths. April 21 is projected to be have the last death.

  52. jason says:

    Wow, that Dem State Rep better buy a gun…..

  53. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    13m
    Congratulations to State Representative Karen Whitsett of Michigan. So glad you are getting better!

  54. Tina says:

    Coronavirus presser 5:45 est

  55. Tina says:

    Trump Biden talk via phone.

    RELEASE. THE TRANSCRIPT!

  56. Phil says:

    I pray Boris recovers. Praying for him.

    BTW, just a prediction. If the PM doesn’t make it look for CNN to be all over the airways with –

    ‘Trump’s Drug Fails To SAVE British PM”

    Want to bet against that being their headline for weeks? Anyone?

  57. Paul says:

    38: Anecdotal isn’t scientific. As Pitch described very well, you can’t be sure if an improvement is simply the regular course of the disease or an improvement because of the medicine.

    If you wrapped aluminum foil on the feet of COVID patients at day 5, a big portion of them would get better. Does that mean that aluminum foil covered toes healed them? Without a control, you don’t know if what happened was any better than a placebo.

  58. Victrc says:

    Today’s reporters might be the worst, most devious, unscrupulous reporters todo date.

    The Admiral just tore them a new one as one reporter pulled a two week old story on testing and presenting it as hospitals complained today about lack of testing.

    What bu**sh*t. They were called out on it.

  59. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And watch the modelers be awarded ribbons.

    J Owen Shroyer
    @allidoisowen
    · 25m
    So the Government/Media complex can come out with radical prediction models driving an entire world into panic then when the models turn out to be wrong they can sit back and say, “see, we saved you”.

    Doesn’t sound dangerous at all.”

    So let me get this straight. When models are wrong, fewer people die, and King Orange takes credit for saving tens of thousands of lives, Tina will be criticizing him for that? I THINK NOT ! LOL Glad she put up that post tho! I just bookmarked SO I CAN REMIND HER LATER! LOLLL

    #WORST.PRESIDENT.EVAH

  60. Proud Obamacon says:

    “People in PA getting antsy. Once the weather gets nice its over.”

    Yeah Captain Dick, go out and lead the army, sport! Revive the virus, send us back to square 1, and watch your Orange Hero lose in a landslide in Nov! Do it. PLEASE PROCEED!!!

    #RESIST

  61. Proud Obamacon says:

    WI GOP are absolute scum. A thousand people dying every day, stay at home orders in place, but yeah let send a couple million people out to vote tomorrow when they could have just delayed it a month or two like every other sane state.

    All this to win one SC seat. SICKENING! They all need to be voted out in November!

    Only 5 polling places open in Milwaukee. And yall call this Democracy. SICK!

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN

  62. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    LANSING – A Democratic state representative from Detroit is crediting hydroxychloroquine — and Republican President Donald Trump who touted the drug — for saving her in her battle with the coronavirus.
    State Rep. Karen Whitsett, who learned Monday she has tested positive for COVID-19, said she started taking hydroxychloroquine on March 31, prescribed by her doctor, after both she and her husband sought treatment for a range of symptoms on March 18.
    “It was less than two hours” before she started to feel relief, said Whitsett, who had experienced shortness of breath, swollen lymph nodes, and what felt like a sinus infection. She is still experiencing headaches, she said.
    Whitsett said she was familiar with “the wonders” of hydroxychloroquine from an earlier bout with Lyme disease, but does not believe she would have thought to ask for it, or her doctor would have prescribed it, had Trump not been touting it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/06/democrat-karen-whitsett-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump/2955430001/

  63. Pitchaboy says:

    Gov. Cuomo is allowing use of HCQ and Zpack outside of trials and at the discretion of physician and patients. This means one of three things: political pressure, been advised of signs of promise or studies showing early signals of efficacy. We will know in a few days. For the sake of humanity, we need a success story.

  64. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “If you’re a doctor listening to me right now and a patient with coronavirus feels like they want to try that,” Stigall asked, “and you’re their doctor, you’re not Anthony Fauci the guy running the coronavirus task force, would you say ‘alright, we’ll give it a whirl’?”

    “Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option,” Fauci said. “These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons. They’re anti-malaria drugs, and they’re drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus. Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for.”

  65. Paul says:

    Sad about the UK prime minister. RIP.

  66. Paul says:

    Trump goes on with blatant obvious lies during the press conference. What a worthless piece of crap.

  67. Proud Obamacon says:

    Another day and no mention of they favorite poll Rasmussen. Im sure just an oversight, here yall go:

    Rasmussen Reports 4/1 – 4/5 1500 LV 44 53 -9

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN.YALL’

  68. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #66- PO
    The breaking news is the Federal SCOTUS just b-tch-slapped the Democrats and the Obama-appointed Judge in Wisconsin who tried to extend the election by a week.
    Right now, tomorrow’s election is on and all ballots must be in by the time the polls close manana. Things are fluid in WI.
    The Democrats have no one to blame but their Governor, a Dem.

  69. jason says:

    Trump goes on with blatant obvious lies during the press conference. ”

    Translation: Trump calls out the partisan, dishonest, despicable MSM once again.

  70. Paul says:

    Sheeple, are you lonely in your basement?

  71. jason says:

    Paul is a moron. RIP.

  72. Paul says:

    Jason,
    Are you able to respond in any other way to the blatant lies? I guess not. Given up, have you. Now, go away and don’t come back.

  73. jason says:

    This is the same model Big Joe and I have been following here but it is nice to see the media report some good news.

    https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/new-model-predicts-dramatic-covid-19-flattening-in-tennessee

  74. Phil says:

    Exactly what lies, Paul? ….and be specific. I’ll hang up and listen.

  75. Proud Obamacon says:

    #73 LOL Sheeple forgets that we have a pandemic going on with 1000 people dying every day. Even his beloved Orange Hero has told people to stay at home.

    Sheeple is not very bright.

    THE GOP packed SC court is playing politics, all over one seat that they know they can’t win in a fair election.

    Sheeple can go back to acting like a Sheep now.

    #RESIST

  76. jason says:

    Are you able to respond in any other way to the blatant lies?”

    How can you say that?

    I respond to your blatant lies all the time.

    That really hurts, I never get any recognition.

  77. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    So I address Proud ObamaCon in above #73 and Paul answers with a childish insult in #75.
    Has Paul been caught using PO as a second handle on HHR?

    jason- agree that Paul should list examples if he is going to call the President a liar. He’s too cowardly to do so.
    He wants you to leave. Sounds as if Paul/PO is on the cusp of a psychotic break.

    Signing off from my Man-Cave Basement that is probably ten times the size of Paul’s room at his Mommy’s house. Sheeple,Jr.

  78. Phil says:

    I repeat, Paul. Exactly what lies? I have been entirely through this thread. You haven’t cited a single one.

    What lies exactly.

  79. Proud Obamacon says:

    “So I address Proud ObamaCon in above #73 and Paul answers with a childish insult in #75.”

    So Sheep is not going to respond. Not surprised at his totally idiotic and SICK comment in #73. Total lightweight AND A SICK INDIVIDUAL!

    #RESIST

  80. Phil says:

    Waiting on those lies, Paul.

  81. Paul says:

    A big lie was the whole f&cking H1N11 disgusting crap coming out of the traitor Trump’s vulgur mouth.

  82. Proud Obamacon says:

    Paul, give it up. The people here snort Orange powder. They are with him til the end. Rasmussen is 44/53 today. The country sees what you and I see. It’s all good bruh!

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN.YALL’

  83. Phil says:

    Take your meds, Paul. You just made a fool out of yourself with that one.

  84. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #72- PO
    In a just-released IBD/TIPP Poll, Trump’s approval/disapproval is 45/45, up from -13 last month. Any comment?

  85. Tina says:

    Wilson Leung ??? Flag of Hong Kong
    @WilsonLeungWS
    · 2h
    “The UK government’s new testing chief has admitted that none of the 3.5 million antibody tests ordered from China are fit for widespread use…The tests did not pass the evaluation stage”. http://independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-test-antibody-kit-uk-china-nhs-matt-hancock-a9449816.html… #COVID19

  86. Paul says:

    Phil,
    Do you not see horrendous beast that is Trump’s despicable turdness? That is likely because you are a despicable Turd blind to all corrupt and evilness.

  87. Proud Obamacon says:

    #90 Sheep lauding a 45% approval LOL! Let me get more polls for you bruh. Any comment? I guess you can go back on the ABC kick LOL . From RealClearPolitics.com

    IBD/TIPP 3/29 – 4/1 1226 A 45 45 Tie
    Rasmussen Reports 4/1 – 4/5 1500 LV 44 53 -9
    Reuters/Ipsos 3/30 – 3/31 930 RV 46 52 -6
    Economist/YouGov 3/29 – 3/31 1194 RV 47 50 -3
    Grinnell/Selzer 3/27 – 3/30 777 LV 48 48 Tie
    Politico/Morning Consult 3/27 – 3/29 1997 RV 45 52 -7
    Harvard-Harris 3/24 – 3/26 2410 RV 48 52 -4
    ABC News/Wash Post 3/22 – 3/25 845 RV 49 47 +2
    FOX News 3/21 – 3/24 1011 RV 48 51 -3

    #RESIST!

  88. Proud Obamacon says:

    “In a just-released IBD/TIPP Poll,”

    LOL, the poll is 5 days old (3/29 to 4/1). Damn Sheep really is a lightweight. I feel bad now. I’ll go easy on him from now on.

    Good job Sheep, good job! LOL

  89. jason says:

    Why you need clinical trials. In this case the physician says it only works in combination with zinc.

    “Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

    “Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free,” Cardillo told Eyewitness News. “So clinically I am seeing a resolution.”

    Cardillo is the CEO of Mend Urgent Care, which has locations in Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys and Burbank.

    He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.”

  90. jason says:

    Sheep lauding a 45% approval”

    Let me join him. That is a big improvement in this poll.

    Sorry, Roadkill Maggot.

  91. NYCmike says:

    “He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.””

    -Same thing that Dr. Zelenko from Monroe, NY stated.

    The Zpack was given as well to fight off other infections caused by the virus elsewhere in the body.

  92. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    70. That is really a despicable comment.

  93. Nancy Phucking Pelosi says:

    Roadkill maggot jerks off to me. Tee hee.

  94. Paul says:

    Nancy always makes me a little wet. She has kind of a dominating grandmother thing that I’ve had a thing for since I was little.

  95. jason says:

    Some of the changes with the Chris Murray model update.

    Overall US:
    -# of deaths projected decreased from 93,531 to 81,766
    -Projected total bed shortage went from 87,674 to 36,654
    -Peak dates(April 15 for resource needed peak, 16th for peak daily death toll) unchanged
    -Under 200 deaths a day: Moved from June 3 to May 18

  96. Country Dick Montana says:

    When this is all over and studied, one place that needs to be looked at is how to protect those who are living in nursing homes. The percentage of deaths from these clusters has to be significant. Just looking at some news sources:

    Washington: at least 35 deaths at life care center
    Louisiana: at least 100 deaths from nursing homes
    Virginia: at least 20 of the 54 deaths are from one nursing home near Richmond
    Iowa: 12 of 25 deaths are nursing home related
    Indiana: 11 deaths in one nursing home.

  97. jason says:

    Most nursing homes stopped allowing visitors a couple weeks into the crisis.

    But employees have to go home and can come back and spread the virus despite precautions.

    And since these are older people, many or most with pre-conditions in a confined space, the challenge is horrendously difficult.

  98. Phil says:

    Nice name calling, Paul. You are truly unhinged. Now, about those lies. How about it? No name calling, specific lies. I’ve asked you four times. Name them.

  99. Country Dick Montana says:

    Tonight’s numbers are in. TTwo take aways are steady number for the least 7 days outside of NY and outside of the top 5 states (NY,NJ,MI,LA and CA/WA which are close and alternate as #5)

    For the last 7 days the daily deaths outside of the top 5 states has ranged between 309 and 391 (337,309,342,390,383,326,391)

    Outside of NY the rest of the country has ranged from 540 to 684. (540,544,649,684,671,570,656)

  100. Country Dick Montana says:

    104- It seems like many of the ones dying probably were in end of life care anyway. It would be interesting to see what percentage of deaths were from nursing homes and/or the terminally ill.

  101. Phil says:

    107 I am doubting we will ever get those numbers. It’s a shame because I think they are very relevant.

  102. jason says:

    Heh…

    he same people who say Trump is “giving medical advice”………

    – Act like Bill Nye is a scientist

    – Pretended Al Gore was a credible scientist for climate change

    – Act like Bill Gates is a doctor

    – say a 16 year old is a climate expert”

  103. mRviTO says:

    “say a 16 year old is a climate expert”

    https://gph.is/g/ajyDRG9

  104. Tina says:

    Their model already assumed this.

    Josh Cremeans “DirtyTruth”
    @AKA_RealDirty
    ·
    26m
    Dr. Birx The numbers from their model is off so much because the American people pulled together to fight this pandemic.

  105. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    107. Here is an article that discusses the age and healh of those who died in several countries:

    “Americans ages 65 and older are suffering the highest rates of death and serious illness from the coronavirus, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    “Overall, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ?65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ?85 years,” the report said.”

    https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-ages-65-older-cdc-report-2020-3

  106. Cash Cow TM says:

    Went with Walt to drive to Walmart to get some things @ 8:30. They were closed.

    Drove another 5 miles up I-81 to another Walmart. They were closed.

    For the round trip 10 miles up and down I-81 the traffic was noticeably lighter.

    And well over 1/2 of all vehicles were trucks.

  107. Bitterlaw says:

    I have learned to accept that many at HHR disagree with me when I State an opinion about the law and legal matters. I don’t pretend or even care to be respected.

    However, I absolutely trust Pitch when he expresses his opinion and shares his experience on medical issues.

  108. Bitterlaw says:

    Hmmmmmm. Wisconsin’s primary is tomorrow. Bernie’s supporters are younger and feel invincible compared to Biden’s older base. Could Bernie win the state because the youngsters don’t fear the virus?

  109. Tina says:

    This tweet is a mess.

    Maybe, they need to re appoint Mulehead to investigate.

    Assuming, he can open his car door of course.

    Kenneth P. Vogel
    @kenvogel
    · 1h
    NEW: If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted coronavirus treatment, several companies stand to profit, some with shareholders & execs connected to TRUMP.

    Trump himself has a small interest in @Sanofi, which makes a brand-name hydroxychloroquine version. https://nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

  110. Tina says:

    Walt should go online to the Walmart store in his locality.

    The store should have special hours for seniors.

  111. Tina says:

    Mr. Vulgar should have first caught the fact that Sanofi does not make that drug in the U.S. called Plaquenil.

    He would have learned that in this country it is made by Concordia, which is not owned by Sanofi.

    There will be under companies that will make the generic brand here too.

  112. mRviTO says:

    Al Kaline died. Boo.

  113. Phil says:

    Tina, Democrats and their media hacks will take that and run with it.

    You should know that.

  114. mRviTO says:

    2008: hope and change

    2020: hope is impeachable

  115. Phil says:

    Numbers are in and China had only 30 new cases and

    ZERO

    DEATHS

    Incredible job!!

  116. mRviTO says:

    The next epidemic will be hypertension from the grains of salt we have to keep taking the Chinese numbers with.

  117. Tina says:

    Phil,

    Maggie Hack has breaking news that Navarro warned of a pandemic in January. The same time that Dr. Fallacy said that coronavirus was not a threat.

    I am pretty sure that the presstitutes will be praising Navarro, even though they thrashed him this AM.

  118. Phil says:

    123

    LOL

    Ain’t that the truth.

  119. lisab says:

    Anecdotal isn’t scientific. As Pitch described very well, you can’t be sure if an improvement is simply the regular course of the disease or an improvement because of the medicine.
    ——————————

    anecdotal evidence is certainly scientific evidence

    it just is not statistically significant.

    a huge amount of science is based on inductive reasoning. for example, scientists noticed that newton’s laws of motion did NOT explain the motion of Mars accurately.

    no matter how hard they tried, no matter how careful the calculations, mars did not follow the predicted path.

    most scientists assumed that there was something off in the calculations, except einstein, which is why we have the general theory of relativity.

    his theory was not confirmed by an experiment, or a clinical trial, for 15 years.

    in fact, Bayesian statistics, an entire field of mathematics is based on inductive reasoning.

    that is, reasoning from the specific instance to a general theory

  120. lisab says:

    a good example of science using anecdotal evidence is pretty much all scientific exploration

    “the coelacanth is extinct!”

    except there is … they found some

  121. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    116. Chloroquine is a generic drug, and is manufactured by drug companies throughout the world. Given increased demand, many more companies may start manufacturing it. It is amazing the lengths the New York Times will go to create a conspiracy tale against Trump; the path to this one resembles a pretzel.

  122. lisab says:

    another famous one is

    “there is no way any soft tissue of any kind exists from the dinosaurs, it was far too long ago by 100 million years or more”

    until they cracked open a dinosaur bone a few years ago, and found some gooey crap inside

  123. Tina says:

    We should ask cutie pie, Jonathan Karl: Why did the White House Correspondents Association intentionally invite a communist propagandist to attend the briefing?… Asking questions about a crisis the Chinese communists created?

  124. Tina says:

    So Maggie hack came out with these Navarro memos

    One is dated on 1/29. This is the day that trump created the task force. Navarro mentions a China travel ban.

    1/30 trumps declares cornavirus a public emergency.

    1/31 travel ban is implemented.

    The February memo mentions a 3 billion bill to fund coronavirus. Trump requested 2.5 billion supplemental, and he signed a 8 trillion supplemental in early March.

  125. Tina says:

    Looks like even the triple cheeseburger of never trumpers disagrees with Ken Vulgar.

    George Conway
    @gtconway3d
    · 38m
    Replying to @IanSams
    He owns some mutual funds that hold Sanofi. And the med is off-patent. The suggestion that this is significant is a huge stretch.

  126. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Austria and Denmark are beginning to ease their coronavirus restrictions:

    Austria
    +On April 14th small shops will be allowed to open;
    +Restaurants, hotels and other service providers will open gradually in early May;
    +The population lockdown will be ended at the end of April; bigger events will not be permitted until the end of June; masks will still be required.

    It is reported Czechoslovakia may also relax its restrictions.

    Denmark
    +On April 15 care centers and schools will re-open. Other restrictions will begin to be reduced:
    +Ban on gatherings of more than 10 people will remain in place until at least May 10th; social distancing rules will remain in effect.

  127. Messy says:

    2. I’d rather we not be with the Covid-19 thing.

    133 remember that Denmark is TINY.

  128. Messy says:

    127. Bad example. The Coelacanth was a unique situation. (yeah, there was the Monoplacaporans, but that’s only two).

    131. Because it was her turn in the second tier. There is a “first-tier” group of the major guys who get in all the time, and the second tier who get in on a revolving basis. OAN was on the second tier list, but she crashed because she was GOP propaganda.

  129. SoHope says:

    Almost daily announcements of stories like that we had the hottest day on record in Cleveland, Ohio or that Artic ice shrinking 15% on one particular day as undeniably proof of global warming is anecdotal but that doesnt keep the media or politicians from citing it if it supports their cause.

  130. SoHope says:

    The media’s newfound hatred of anything anecdotal is convenient

  131. Hugh says:

    Is it just me? Or does trump seem to be getting better and better with his daily press meetings? All the while the press looks smaller and smaller. I smell a blowout in November.

  132. Messy says:

    138. Just you, I’m afraid. Also, nose blindness is a Covid-19 symptom. You should self isolate immediately for your sake and others’.

  133. Tina says:

    Looks like the trump story about financially benefiting from the anti malaria drug imploded.

    I think the jebots should go back to russian hoaxing.

  134. Tgca says:

    According to Susan Rice, Trump has cost “Tens of thousands of American lives” during the COVID19 crisis.

    Former national security adviser to President Obama, Susan Rice said during an interview on The Washington Post’s “Cape Up,” podcast, Friday that President Donald Trump’s “utter incompetence” is killing “tens of thousands” of Americans during the coronavirus pandemic.

    …and stoopid us thought we only past the 10K mark in the US this week. Apparently, it’s tens of thousands.

    Why is the MSM lying to protect Trump?

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/06/susan-rice-trumps-utter-incompetence-has-cost-tens-of-thousands-of-american-lives/

  135. Joe J says:

    Ras tweeted Trump approval “up sharply” today. Considering is was 44%, back to 47-48 would be nice. Seems like the bad sample that rolled on last week fell off.

  136. Tgca says:

    This is why EXPERTS always need to be questioned and not have their statements taken for granted as the ultimate last word and held up as heroes.

    Fauci and Friends arrogance did indeed do the US some injustice early on. You would think such experienced folks would have shown some better judgment early on and not have been so dismissive. Though they’re on the right track now, I still think ultimately there should be some accountability from these experts that the leaders relied upon.

    I trust the numerous doctors actually treating patients at the frontline over a bureaucrat not involved in the daily care for the sick. Intelligence and knowledge does not always equate to good judgment.

    This article documents numerous naive statements by Fauci and Friends.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_portrayal_142845.html

  137. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #143- JJ

    47/51. Paul/PO will not show up today!

  138. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-shunning-and-shaming-in-small-towns-11586251801?mod=hp_lead_pos5&mod=article_inline

    Is this really still the US? Neighbor to neighbor surveillance and reporting on them?

  139. Tina says:

    The wh China correspondents associstion

    & Breitbart’s Army! Retweeted

    Ted Cruz
    @tedcruz
    ·
    8h
    8/x So to recap, the WH Correspondents Assoc gave a seat at the WH press briefing to an employee of the Chinese Communist govt, to ask globally televised Qs to POTUS, at the same time China is waging a propaganda campaign to hide their culpability & coverup of the Wuhan virus?!?

  140. Tina says:

    We are at #5.

    Margot Cleveland
    @ProfMJCleveland
    ·
    1h
    Evolution of media’s anti-Trump hydroxychloroquine spin would leave even Darwin dizzy:
    1) Trump giving Americans false hope.
    2) Trump peddling snake oil.
    3) Trump made couple drink fish tank cleaner.
    4) Hydroxychloroquine might, maybe, be helpful.
    5) Trump is in it for money.

  141. Tgca says:

    I was reading today that folks regularly consuming tofu and seaweed are less likely to get sick from COVID19. This is an excellent opportunity to foster healthy changes in the American diet once we’re pass this crisis. Just as we will see changes in how businesses operate, I think there’ll be opportunities in food choices.

  142. Tgca says:

    How DARE he!

    Not sure if they were having active dialog back in Jan. Dems and MSM will call it a fake memo.

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/navarro-memo-deaths-pandemic/2020/04/07/id/961682/

  143. jason says:

    Some of the European countries have peaked.

    Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Spain, Italy….

    The Chris Murray model is now showing some other countries besides the US.

    In the US, Delaware, Vermont and DC have peaked.

    Ohio 5 days away, NC 6 days. OH and NC first day of 0 deaths is May 2.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/north-carolina

  144. jason says:

    PA still 8 days away from peak in deaths, but only 4 days from peak resource use.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/pennsylvania

  145. jason says:

    The 800 lb gorilla 2 days from peak

    First day of 0 deaths in NY May 7-8

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york

  146. dblaikie says:

    Most here know that I don’t put much stock in polls. However the last couple of days the trolls have been breathless with excitement over Trump being -9 on Rasmussen Today it is -4. I guess they did not know that with a five day moving average you need to wait through the five cycle before lauding a sudden change.

  147. jason says:

    I hadn’t seen these comments. Hope he is right.

    One of the nation’s top public health officials suggested Monday that because Americans are taking social distancing recommendations “to heart,” the death toll from the novel coronavirus will be “much, much, much lower” than models have projected.

    “If we just social distance, we will see this virus and this outbreak basically decline, decline, decline. And I think that’s what you’re seeing,” said Robert Redfield, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control.

    “I think you’re going to see the numbers are, in fact, going to be much less than what would have been predicted by the models,” he said.

  148. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot was SOOO excited about RAS last night.

    I bet he threw up his breakfast.

  149. Tgca says:

    Jadon’s stats are all BS!

    See 142. Proof that tens of thousands of Americans have died due to Corona per esteemed prior NSA Susan Rice.

    Who you gonna believe on medical stats? Jadon, the pork and fat eating 300 lb dude with 475 cholesterol level or the very fit, esteemed and highly respected Susan?

  150. Cash Cow TM says:

    Off to Walmart with Walt earlier this morning.
    Berkeley County is either 1st or 2nd in CV-19 cases…a hot spot in state of WV.

    Walmart limiting to 90 customers at a time.

    Most people (customers and staff) wearing masks.
    Walt wore a mask, but I did not.

    Got stares.

    ************************************
    Also one woman tried to milk me for fresh moo juice.

  151. DW says:

    159 – Walt apparently hid from you the fact that cows don’t get the corona. They can carry it, but don’t get affected by it.

  152. Cash Cow TM says:

    WISC VOTING PROCESS TODAY

    FROM SOMEONE WE KNOW IN wISC. who voted today
    ####################################

    “All the poll workers had masks. They had you use hand sanitizer when you come in, put on gloves, they have pens available and didn’t want me to use my own pen. You take the pen with you when you go. They did not handle my drivers license, But looked at it from a far and had me tell them my address. You still have to get closer than 6 feet to sign the registration book, but otherwise it felt pretty safe.”

  153. jason says:

    Who you gonna believe on medical stats? Jadon, the pork and fat eating 300 lb dude with 475 cholesterol level or the very fit, esteemed and highly respected Susan?”

    Jadon.

  154. jason says:

    My cholesterol is only 320.

    GFY.

  155. jason says:

    I have a huge stock of bacon because I went for the worst case scenario of several months at home.

    Now that the model shows PA might be essentially virus free in early May, I feel pressured to eat it all before the crisis is over.

  156. jason says:

    Everyone in WI should risk their lives to vote for Bernie.

  157. jason says:

    Looks like Portugal also sees light at the end of the tunnel..

    “Portugal’s containment measures will have to remain in place this month so that the country can take steps in May for schools and businesses to “progressively return to normal,” President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa said.

  158. Tina says:

    This is excellent.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    9m
    The W.H.O. really blew it. For some reason, funded largely by the United States, yet very China centric. We will be giving that a good look. Fortunately I rejected their advice on keeping our borders open to China early on. Why did they give us such a faulty recommendation?

  159. mRviTO says:

    The media saw the light at the end of the tunnel sometime in 2015…. and died.

  160. jason says:

    Dow at 23300.

    Roadkill Maggot could have nibbled at 18600 on March 23, but he waited to nibble at 18000.

    But all is not lost, maybe a fresh skunk carcass will appear that he can nibble on.

  161. Country Dick Montana says:

    170-I did get back in then. Market was down because they hadn’t passed a stimulus package and you knew that they eventually would.

    Also last Monday spent a little mad money on USO (oil ETF) and had planned to hold it for a long time as average oil price over the last 75 years has been $35. Lo and behold it was up 40% by Friday based on a rumor that the Russians and Saudi were going to play nice. They still may, but tend to be notorious liars and I didn’t want to get greedy and got out then. None of that was due to superior financial skills, just dumb luck.

    Also have learned not to trust financial advice on a political forum.

  162. jason says:

    All right!

    BREAKING: 2020 Masters to be played in November, US Open and USPGA also rescheduled. Ryder Cup to go ahead as planned”

  163. jason says:

    Also have learned not to trust financial advice on a political forum.”

    Wow, that is gratitude.

    I told everyone here to buy low, sell high.

  164. Big Joe says:

    #171- Come on now, Dick. You get only the best financial advice here. The best thing you can do is read my financial posts and do the opposite! 😀 😀

    Busy work day today, I’ll try to post tonight. But its an exciting day in the market. We broke through a key S&P resistance level but need to hold all day and probably tomorrow as confirmation. This could be the top of a classic bull trap or a chance to establish a new sideways/upwards pattern. Technical charts are very interesting today.

    Big Joe

  165. jason says:

    Heh..

    “Having watched the impeachment backfire on them, the Washington press corps moved on and opened the next package from Acme.”

  166. Country Dick Montana says:

    174 – I am done now. Fully invested to the extent that I want to be at my age. To Paraphrase Tom Hanks as Jim Lovell in “Apollo 13”

    “Mr. Market is now in control.”

    I will check it out in 5 years or so.

  167. jason says:

    Italy 3000 new cases today…

    April 4 4805
    April 5 4316
    April 6 3599
    April 7 3039

  168. jason says:

    Big spike in GA today. Nursing home?

    Also big spike in new deaths in PA, but not in new cases. Nursing home?

  169. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Spain and Italy seemed to have turned corner… good numbers today for both cases and fatalities. They usually dont change much after they first appear around noon ET

  170. Country Dick Montana says:

    New York got Hammered today too.

  171. NYCmike says:

    “Great piece on what should be done with the Chinese commies”

    -Reynolds said that he is getting many similar-looking/sounding emails defending the Chinese government….

  172. mnw says:

    NYCmike

    I miss the Bluz so bad, I feel like I lost a leg.

  173. Tgca says:

    Our Gay Surgeon General claims he never saw Navarro’s memo warning of a potential pandemic in late January. I give him the benefit of the doubt here because sometimes not all discussions make it to the highest level of leadership timely.

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-covid19-peter-navarro/2020/04/07/id/961689/

  174. Country Dick Montana says:

    178 – 30 of the new deaths in PA are from Philly

  175. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    New hospitalization in NY are dropping off a cliff

    https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1247239067101728768

  176. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Swine Flu patten in 2009- came back with a vengeance in the fall

    https://twitter.com/GaryWHall/status/1247552476095508481/photo/1

  177. Country Dick Montana says:

    Already up to 1300 deaths today. MI, LA are the main problem states that have yet to report in. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it go above 1700 today. New York has been averaging 44% of daily new deaths, so based on 731 today that would be a nationwide total of 1828.

  178. Tina says:

    This was explained din the coronavirus pressers.

    POLITICO
    @politico
    · 18m
    Senior health officials within the Trump administration are now predicting the total number of Americans to die as a result of the coronavirus pandemic could be significantly fewer than models previously estimated
    https://politico.com/news/2020/04/07/trumps-top-health-officials-predict-diminished-coronavirus-death-toll-171456

  179. NYCmike says:

    “I miss the Bluz so bad, I feel like I lost a leg.”

    -Hey mnw,

    I hear ya!

    Although, the way the Islanders were playing, their playoff spot was in jeopardy!

    Spared me some anxiety…….I got to deal with this instead!

  180. mRviTO says:

    India made an exception for the US in its ban of export of HCQ after Trump called them.

    Time for another commission!

    What was the Quid Pro Quo!

    What funds were withheld!

    Was the phone call perfect??

  181. pitchaboy says:

    India made an exception because Trump and Modi like each other. And DJT made the call himself.

  182. jason says:

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see it go above 1700 today.”

    That would still be under the curve which projects 2140 deaths today.

  183. jason says:

    LA is in, probably not all of it since new cases are showing 400 less than yesterday. But will probably not be more than yesterday.

  184. Paul says:

    Why is Trump a disgusting liar? Very sad. I hope he dies.

  185. Phil says:

    You are one sick eaten up with obsessive hate. MF.

  186. NYCmike says:

    Paul to blame it on his medicine again in 3….2….1….

  187. Paul says:

    Phil,
    I am speaking the truth. And my hopes are for the good of our nation.

  188. Paul says:

    I took my medicine. Trump is disgusting and I hope he dies.

  189. Phil says:

    Yeah, ok, the good of the nation…..got it.

  190. Paul says:

    Phil,
    Yes, indeed. Sacrifices must be made.

  191. dblaikie says:

    New hospital admissions have dropped like a stone. I wonder why? Could increased use of HCQ be part of the reason.

  192. DW says:

    Some people are so filled with hate that they want people to die. Sad. I hope they get help.

  193. Country Dick Montana says:

    194 – When I first started tracking this on a spreadsheet 3 weeks ago I would use several sources. Now I just use worldmeter and close my day out when they do, that way things are consistent. The national model that I am running and adjusting daily shows results that are tracking the low range of Christopher Murry model. Everything for the last week or so has coalesced around 55,000 total.

  194. mRviTO says:

    He has literally wished for the death, often violently, and often of their families, of most every regular on this blog over the last three years…

    For the good of the country, of course.

  195. Phil says:

    Nothing like basking in hate 24/7.

    Must be a miserable life.

  196. Paul says:

    I like to bask in hate.

  197. Paul says:

    It’s all for the good of the country. I get to decide what that is as all liberal communists do. We know better than most what needs to be done because we have read the manual.

  198. Phil says:

    Obviously.

    Have fun with it.

  199. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @208 you have difficulty putting together a simple sentence. You can’t be reading much

    Your misery makes me happy. I hope it never ends

  200. Paul says:

    We can even use a fake virus to overthrow the economies of the world and create mechanisms to control and kill whoever we want.

  201. Paul says:

    One makes more sense when angry in sentence structures that are more real than that which is not created but is eliminated.

  202. NYCmike says:

    Robbie checked in, realized Paul had surpassed him, and retired to Pogo Loco.

  203. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    @212 thank you for proving my point. You should be Biden’s speechwriter. You can put a bunch of words in a hat and pull them out at random.

  204. Paul says:

    Robbie was better. Paul is just a lame parody of a basement dwelling communist.

  205. Phil says:

    President calls Indian PM and gets him to reverse course and ship malaria drug to US.

    Well done, Mr President. Well done.

  206. jason says:

    Paul says:
    April 7, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Robbie was better. Paul is just a lame parody of a basement dwelling communist.”

    zzzzzzz….

    Paul loves flattering himself.

  207. jason says:

    Robbie checked in, realized Paul had surpassed him, and retired to Pogo Loco”

    He approaches the women at bars there with a great pick up line:

    “I am very excited about losing my job because that was bad for Trump”.

  208. jason says:

    SMOKERS are 14 times more likely to develop coronavirus, health bosses have warned.”

    Seems unlikely to me.

    But maybe 14 times as likely to exhibit symptoms?

  209. NYCmike says:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/truck-drivers-make-it-possible-for-everyone-else-to-work-from-home

    -Still rolling!

    Fingers crossed that our guys are being smart and the equipment we have given them works well enough.

  210. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/regional/beaver-county-nursing-home-presuming-all-residents-staff-have-covid-19/

    “The center has 589 beds and more than 400 residents.”

    This is looking like Life Care in King County, WA or Lambeth House in New Orleans

  211. VictrC says:

    Liberals online have lost their minds about having to vote in WI today. Blaming Republicans even though their Gov (D) said four days ago it should go on, then changed his mind.

    Couple of points:

    Obviously the media will paint this as R do not care about lives, Every person that dies in WI will be because of R’s forcing the vote. I hope that this doesn’t hurt us in Nov.

    I wonder if this will guarantee a Bernie win in the D primary which will cause the establishment meme that Biden is the nominee to lose some of its tarnish, which is why they are furious about wanting to postpone the vote

    I hope that the R candidate for state SC wins. I wonder if the increase turnout by D’s because its their primary will hurt the R candidate

    Lastly, this pushed Chuckie to demand more money for mail in vote in the next stimulus bill. Dems see this as their next best way to secure power on a permanent basis, by having voting via mail in (No ID, no way to check citizenship, dead, etc)

  212. Scooterboy says:

    Paul is the dumbest SOB on this blog. That title used to go to PO.

  213. Phil says:

    He’s a parody account. Has to be.

  214. jason says:

    We know better than most what needs to be done because we have read the manual.”

    It’s called the Communist Manifesto, not manual.

  215. jason says:

    Paul is not a deep thinker, I don’t think he actually read the manifesto.

    I think he read “The Communist Manifesto for Dummies”.

  216. Tina says:

    Dr. Fallacy’s models are doing poorly again.

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    · 3h
    Incredible but true: less than 36 hours after it was reconfigured and re-released, the @IHME_UW model has blown up again.

  217. Scooterboy says:

    Fundraising going well for John James in Michigan.

    Republican John James has outraised democratic incumbent Gary Peters in the Michigan senate race for the third quarter in a row

    James raised $4.8 million compared to Peters $4.0 million in the first quarter of 2020

  218. Tina says:

    Mi governor Halfwitt blocked the anti malaria drug for partisan reasons. This is the same Detroit lawmaker who said it workers doe he’d

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/dem-lawmaker-credited-trump-saving-life-says-beg-hydroxychloroquine-michigan-gov-barred-drug-video/

  219. NYCmike says:

    “Incredible but true: less than 36 hours after it was reconfigured and re-released, the @IHME_UW model has blown up again.”

    -Hopefully that keeps happening.

  220. jason says:

    Dr. Fallacy’s models are doing poorly again.”

    zzzzz….

    That is not his model.

    Tina is addicted to fake info.

  221. jason says:

    Tell me Rand Paul resigned, that would make my week.

  222. jason says:

    Incredible but true: less than 36 hours after it was reconfigured and re-released, the @IHME_UW model has blown up again.”

    Stupid comment, actually.

    The model is only as good as the info put into it.

    There is nothing earth shattering that as new information comes in, the model changes.

    Birx was clear that the model was factoring in a the assumption that there would be other “NYs”.

    That still could happen in Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, many other large cities. If it doesn’t the model will gradually adjust to new numbers.

  223. lisab says:

    1800+ deaths today already …

  224. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    Trump’s daily Coronavirus press conference just started.
    Has anyone checked to make sure that Paul’s/PO’s straight jackets are fastened tightly?

  225. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #236- lisab
    Bad and sad day. More than half of the fatalities are located in the NYC Metropolitan Area.

  226. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Money on hold to China’s WHO.

  227. Big Joe says:

    “Chris Murray” model predicts 2,000+ deaths every day from now until April 25th. It is using inaccurate inputs from April 4&5 though.

    This includes seven days of 2,800+ deaths. Basically, we will have 9/11 every day for a week.

    Even if we come in 20%-40% below projections, these are incredibly sad numbers.

    Big Joe

  228. DW says:

    Just found this in an article: “This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses.”

    Hopefully Covid19 won’t go anywhere near that high.

  229. Bitterlaw says:

    I wonder if Dr. Fauci stole Tina’s lunch money years ago. There is no other rational explanation.

  230. Tgca says:

    I saw a post today that stated:

    China sent us the Coronavirus so let’s send them Nancy Pelosi and call it even.

  231. Tgca says:

    I agree other large cities could get hit hard but NY is an anomaly because it is so densely populated and crowded, and most get around via crowded public transportation and folks live in large shared buildings where frequent contact is unavoidable, and it got hit first before folks realized what hit them.

    Interesting to see if San Francisco will get hit hard since it’s also densely populated with much reliance on public transportation but on a much smaller scale than NY.

    LA is very spread out so folks not on top of one another and public transportation is not a major source of moving about like in NY and SF.

    Also, perhaps SF and LA had more time to prepare as well. We will see.

  232. lisab says:

    wow … trump has nominated chloroquine to the supreme court!

  233. lisab says:

    the michigan governor now says that chloroquine date raped her in high school

  234. Tgca says:

    I just don’t get all this hate people! Wishing someone to die? Really? That seems extreme to me…and a bit immature too. I do not wish that on those I politically disagree with.

    Now it’s a different story when I have wished Romney had a stroke because I’m not wishing him death because a stroke would then shut him up but he’d still be alive.

    I always take the high road.

  235. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here are California’s death/cases broken down by County.

    County Deaths Cases
    Los Angeles 172 7,017
    San Diego 19 1,404
    Santa Clara 43 1,285
    Riverside 25 946
    Orange 14 882
    Alameda 15 15 634
    San Francisco 9 622
    San Mateo 21 589
    San Bernardino 16 530
    Sacramento 21 525

    Agree with what Tgca said regarding California. Confounding the numbers are lot of the Los Angeles cases are people returning from trips overseas. The San Diego cases includes military who served overseas; they tend to be younger, which may be the reason the death rate is low in San Diego County.

  236. Hugh says:

    Tgca always takes the high road!! It’s true. Are you missing the great Florida weather right now?

  237. Tina says:

    You used the same/similar language involving Mulehead.

    Maybe you are blind and are attracted to bureaucrats who fail.

    Bitterlaw says:
    April 7, 2020 at 6:11 pm
    I wonder if Dr. Fauci stole Tina’s lunch money years ago. There is no other rational explanation.

  238. Tina says:

    Cernovich Retweeted

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    ·
    9m
    President Trump asked about oil, and asks what the price is.

    Reporter: “I don’t know to be honest.”

    Trump: “How can you ask a question, when you don’t know the price?”

  239. Bitterlaw says:

    I was not a fan or supporter of Mueller. I did take exception to you comparing him to Hitler because it was absurd.

  240. jason says:

    Labour mayor who said she wanted Boris Johnson to die kicked out of party.

    No Democrat would ever be kicked out of party here….

  241. jason says:

    Only 1.9% of people who died in NY so far of coronavirus were confirmed to have no underlying conditions.

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/07/nyc-health-dept.-report-majority-of-those-who-died-from-covid-19-had-underlying-conditions

  242. mRviTO says:

    Mike
    @Doranimated
    · 11h
    Niall Ferguson’s latest column (paywall) notes that on Jan. 23 the Chinese cut off Hubei province from the rest of China — but they didn’t cut it off from the rest of the world. Direct flights out continued. Trump’s travel restrictions kicked in only a week later.

  243. Eleqtpi@yahoo.com says:

    Labour kicked some antisemites out last year… (finally)

    the Tories purged some MPs that wouldn’t go along with Brexit…

    Better party control there.

  244. Tina says:

    Matt Walsh
    @MattWalshBlog
    ·
    5m
    This is remarkable. Dr. Birx says here very plainly that anyone who dies “with COVID-19” is being counted as having died from COVID-19. She admits this is a “liberal approach” to recording mortality. The suspicions many of us had are now confirmed.

  245. jason says:

    Actually, sounds reasonable to me.

  246. mRviTO says:

    More “analysis” from a dead media. Can’t decide whether this is worse than the guy who doesn’t know what an average is.

    Kelly O’Donnell
    @KellyO
    · 2h
    NEW LANGUAGE FROM TRUMP:

    “I will protect you if your governor fails”

    BUT he has insisted the federal government is the “BACKUP”

  247. Bitterlaw says:

    I agree with a party expelling a member for hateful or racist or anti-Semitic statements. Not sure about tossing people over one political issue.

  248. mRviTO says:

    Well, they were seen as refusing to honor a people’s referendum on a constitutional issue… after they pledged to honor it.

    Every Tory signed up to Brexit after, and they won a landslide over the parties that split.

  249. Tina says:

    Do not worry Goober is going to do something about China.
    Maybe appearances on hannity.

    https://washex.am/2VdXusN

  250. Tina says:

    Mayor du blah auctioned off ventilators.

    You cannot write a more tragic movies than this,

  251. Tina says:

    And the slob governor of Illinois, pork chop, wants $ from the Federal gubment to run his state.

  252. Bitterlaw says:

    I see your point, Mr. Vito. I just don’t like parties being too rigid. If I wanted to join a cult I would be a Democrat.

    I wonder how Dr.Jay is doing during the pandemic.

  253. mRviTO says:

    DrJay has been social distancing in the dungeon for years now.

    I should probably make sure there is still moss to eat.

  254. mrRviTO says:

    Howard Dean threatens to stop appearing on MSNBC until they stop airing the briefings…

    MAGA?

  255. dblaikie says:

    Just reporting what I heard. Dr. Mark Siegel the medical analysis on Fox, just told Tucker Carlson about a 94 year old man with Covid19 who felt he was going to die. Couldn’t get his breath, weak, and high fever. That night he received HCQ and the next day those symptoms were gone. More anecdotal evidence. However the 94 year old man was Dr. Siegal’s father!!

  256. jan says:

    Just finished an episode of Criminal Minds, where people were being kidnapped by a zealot, for purposes of populating a bunker in preparation of survival during an end of the world conviction. Everyone in this underground space were told the world had been destroyed, validated by a horrific film of destruction, shown over and over again. You know what this reminded me of (?)…..our current CV-19 shelter in place compliance, accompanied by 24/7 dire, but inaccurate, predictions of massive death and an overwhelmed healthcare system.

    I keep looking at the various models being touted by Drs. Fauci and Birx, with a cacophony of sarcastic reporters asking stupid or redundant questions, and it all seems surreal like an old Fellini movie. Meanwhile, sidebar revelations indicate any death where a person tests positive for CV-19, or just exhibits symptoms of the virus, are signed off as expiring from this virus. And, while some hospitals are being stretched (NJ, NY), other hospitals are laying off staff because of having a lack of patients. 100 + ventilators from OR, joined by 500 from CA are being released to the national stockpiles because of the needs expressed by states like NY, which Cuomo now says he doesn’t need, after earlier begging for 30,000.

    Meanwhile, life has been cancelled here on earth – schools, jobs, churches even “walking” in some very paranoid neighborhoods. Parks (except for those occupied by the homeless), beaches, all sports, graduations, weddings, funerals, saying goodbye personally to a dying loved one, are postponed or scratched entirely. Everyone looks like an alien, with their masks – or so was the comment of an old lady waiting this morning in a doctor’s office. Proper social distancing has been ingrained everywhere like a fashionable orthodoxy, while Orwellian socializing, schooling, conferences are done by engaging someone’s appearance on a screen.

    ….yes, I’m getting restless.

  257. Bitterlaw says:

    Parks are closed in my town. In NJ, boardwalks and beaches are closed. WTF. If you can’t stay socially distant on a beach, then nothing should ever be opened again.

  258. PresidentPaul! says:

    The small business loan deal is actually pretty nice. Basically they get 2 months payroll loans as long as they keep last years staff at same hours and at some point it becomes a grant so the federal government is basically just paying the entire payroll as long as no one is fired.

  259. jason says:

    Supermarket was packed today. They now have a single file to check out, you are supposed to line up six feet apart, and someone waves you to an open register. Most people were not wearing masks, although I was. It could be that is because so far only 2 persons have died in this county. Or its because nobody cares what Wolf says anymore.

  260. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason was in a supermarket. Did the Bishop approve?

  261. PresidentPaul! says:

    Every store does it’s own random stuff in every random state.

  262. PresidentPaul! says:

    I think people took the phrase social distancing a little too literally.

    Rather than meaning don’t be in a crowed meeting room or church or etc where you are in a crowd, they took it to mean that two people can’t be withing 6 feet of each other.

  263. Jan says:

    In Malibu a paddle surfer was arrested for violating the shelter in place mandate.

  264. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t really care but I don’t see why Wisconsin could not move the primary. I get that the Gov did not have the power. Rule of law matters. Still, it does not bother me if the Dems get screwed by a delayed process. I did hear something about a state Supreme Court race but I don’t feel like looking it up.

  265. mRviTO says:

    Logan Dobson
    @LoganDobson
    ·
    12h
    China’s government says there’s no more outbreak in their country, and the NBA certainly trusts the Chinese government. Why not just play the season there?

  266. Bitterlaw says:

    Looks like the SC Election is today in Wisconsin.

  267. VictrC says:

    Bitter

    The Gov only wanted to move the election after there was a chance that a Conservative would win the SC seat. As of Thursday last week he was ok with the election being today, espeically since such a big part was already done via mail in.

    The Dem establishment though didn’t want it to go on today because they are afraid that Sanders will win because people in Milwaukee won’t vote and as well, because some local polls show that Conservative winning the SC seat after Trump endorsed the candidate.

    So lots going on, and the State supreme court and USSC both said you had ample time to do it, don’t come to us three days before and want to move it, or extend mail in voting by x number of days. You have had a chance for the last month to move it.

  268. Bitterlaw says:

    Thanks, Vic.

  269. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    They ticketed 22 people in San Diego County for being at the beach watching the sunset. Of course if you dress up like a homeless person, you can do anything you want and the police will not get close to you.

    “Citations were issued to 22 people found near the beach in Encinitas in violation of San Diego County’s stay-at-home order, authorities announced Saturday morning.”

  270. wvally says:

    Several medical sources have reported that there are virtually no covid cases among lupus patients, of which I am one. I’ve been taking HCQ for 10+ years, and am so glad to be on it. I’m all for double blind studies—of course they will be done. But I also whole heartedly echo lisab. The vast history of human advancement in all domains, scientific and medical advancements included, have been through exploration/trial/error. In the case of HCQ, we have evidence from thousands of patients, clear results in vitro, low rates of infection in countries where HCQ is used prophylactically for malaria, and a strong molecular model that explains its efficacy against covid. The risk/reward ratio for HCQ treatment is clearly favorable.

  271. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    From Fox News

    “Nearly all of the people in Europe who have died from the coronavirus were more than 60 years old, the World Health Organization announced Thursday.
    Dr. Hans Kluge, the head of its European office, said recent statistics showed 30,098 deaths have been linked to COVID-19 across the continent, mostly in Italy, France and Spain.
    “We know that over 95 percent of these deaths occurred in those older than 60 years,” he said, with more than half of the dead over 80.
    Kluge added that more than 80 percent of those who died had at least one other chronic underlying condition like cardiovascular disease, hypertension or diabetes.”

  272. jan says:

    Nice personal story, wvally, about your own experience with HCQ.

  273. wvally says:

    IMO all seniors and high risk groups should be on HCQ prophylactically. People are dying and huge swaths of our society are losing their livelihoods. It is beyond infuriating to watch scientifically illiterate smug-ass tv propagandists who are completely insulated from the effects of our national shutdown push agendas that could keep some people from being treated effectively and unnecessarily prolong this crisis. Just because they hate Trump. I am aghast.

  274. Phil says:

    I am aghast as well….but not surprised.

  275. wvally says:

    I’m also incredibly disturbed about the ad hoc abridgment of our civil liberties that that is occurring across the country. What kind of precedent are we setting here? Suddenly it’s 1984 and any police chief, mayor or governor can act as an Orwellian dictator. Is this our future?

  276. Bitterlaw says:

    I am not a fan of Rand Paul. However, he deserves praise when it is due. Thank you, Dr. Paul.

    https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article241830831.html

  277. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    So CNN just-released a poll which shows Trump’s approval/disapproval at 44/53 respectively. On his handling of the coronavirus, it’s at 45/55.
    The poll’s PID is 45(D),35(R) and 20(I).
    Trumi is underwater by 9 pts in his approval rating although 10% of Dems. approve, 5% of Republicans disapprove and Indies are even.

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/04/08/rel4a.-.coronavirus.pdf

  278. JeffP says:

    The death rate already has leveled off in my state for four days. Indiana has had 173 deaths over 3 weeks. A large percentage 60+. The Gates model used by Birks and Fauci was not even remotely close to what is happening in reality. The model still predicts over 1600 dead by May…it is not going to happen. Trump needs to be putting together a task force team to work on what opening up this country looks like ASAP.

  279. Country Dick Montana says:

    John Prine dead.

    But please don’t bury me
    Down in that cold cold ground
    No, I’d druther have ’em cut me up
    And pass me all around
    Throw my brain in a hurricane
    And the blind can have my eyes
    And the deaf can take both of my ears
    If they don’t mind the size

  280. Hugh says:

    Good ol cnn. How far they have fallen.

  281. Big Joe says:

    Chris Murray model has been updated. The April 4th and 5th data was been corrected. Actuals from April 6th and 7th have been added. We already knew the model’s projections from April 4-7 were too high. Actuals were lower though closer to projections on the 7th. As a result, total deaths revised down from approx 82k to approx 60.5k.

    The model is now predicting the following for the US deaths:

    Peak day: 4/12 with approx 2,212 deaths on that day.
    (Previous prediction was 4/16 with approx 3,130 deaths on that day)

    Total deaths: Approx 60,415 with last deaths occurring on Jun 13.
    (Previous prediction: Total deaths approx 82,000)

    Approx 23,312 deaths occurring through peak day (April 12) and approx 37,103 deaths occurring after the peak day.

    Date Deaths that day
    4/4/2020 1318 (actual); 1755 (projected)
    4/5/2020 1210 (actual); 1745 (projected)
    4/6/2020 1160 (actual); 1967 (projected)
    4/7/2020 1943 (actual); 2140 (projected)
    4/8/2020 1903 (projected)
    4/9/2020 2037 (projected)
    4/10/2020 2104 (projected)
    4/11/2020 2151 (projected)
    4/12/2020 2212 (projected)
    4/13/2020 2136 (projected)
    4/14/2020 2156 (projected)
    4/15/2020 2102 (projected)
    4/16/2020 2083 (projected)
    4/17/2020 2002 (projected)
    4/18/2020 1961 (projected)
    4/19/2020 1859 (projected)
    4/20/2020 1789 (projected)
    4/21/2020 1699 (projected)
    4/22/2020 1615 (projected)
    4/23/2020 1513 (projected)
    4/24/2020 1418 (projected)
    4/25/2020 1329 (projected)
    4/26/2020 1223 (projected)
    4/27/2020 1110 (projected)
    4/28/2020 1004 (projected)
    4/29/2020 891 (projected)
    4/30/2020 843 (projected)
    5/1/2020 790 (projected)
    5/2/2020 742 (projected)
    5/3/2020 694 (projected)
    5/4/2020 644 (projected)
    5/5/2020 597 (projected)
    5/6/2020 551 (projected)
    5/7/2020 512 (projected)
    5/8/2020 465 (projected)

    Source: https://covid19.healthdata.org/
    I neither endorse nor reject this model. Peace.

    Big Joe

  282. Hugh says:

    Btw. The cnn poll is an improvement

  283. Tina says:

    Is it an adults only poll? I see some pollsters doing thst for some reason.

    And Drat plus 10?

  284. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Big Joe beat me to it, but to emphasize – the UW model is coming apart like a Mexican space shuttle. It was adjusted again to 60k deaths – down from 82k 2 days ago. USA peaks Sunday now – if true we’re looking more like 35-40k deaths at this rate – an above average flu season

  285. Joe J says:

    I saw 44/51 in the link which would be his high water mark minus right after the inauguration. Using a D+10 sample and still basically a high water mark has to be concerning.. for CNN.

  286. Country Dick Montana says:

    298. I have been running a national model for several weeks it adjusts daily for the actual count. Over the last week or so, total deaths have been hovering in the 50K to 55K range. If we get another couple of days like yesterday, that will really change the model. Yesterday was a huge spike.

    Also with the government now counting any death in which the person is Covid 19 positive, either through testing or symptoms, one has to question just how many are directly related to the virus.

  287. jason says:

    Our only female A-hole is back?

    And people say there are no upsides to this virus?

    Welcome back wvally!

  288. jason says:

    So in the end will be like a bad flu season.

    However, in fairness, had the measures not been put in place, it would have been much worse.

    The question is, had we gone the social distancing + isolating nursing homes + isolating most at risk population route, how many deaths would we have, and would the difference have been worth destroying the economy.

    I guess we will never know. We could try extrapolating the Sweden numbers, but I think there are so many different factors between the 2 countries that it would not be an accurate estimate.

  289. jason says:

    I remember Pitch saying that over 100k deaths Trump is toast, 60k he gets re-elected.

    Maybe we should listen to doctors after all.

  290. jason says:

    Thanks Big Joe, for your summary above of the Chris Murray projection.

    We have gone from 93k to 60k, hopefully it will fall even further.

  291. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #299-JJ
    Agreed but if you read the demographic breakdown of the approval/disapproval section, at the bottom right, it is 44/53 among Registered Voters.

    This new CNBC Poll will be more to your liking. Trump’s approval disapproval is net +3(46-43).

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/08/cnbcs-all-america-economic-survey-on-how-coronavirus-changed-outlook-among-consumers.html

  292. jason says:

    Big Joe beat me to it, but to emphasize – the UW model is coming apart like a Mexican space shuttle.”

    Zzzzzz….. so you believe the model now but not before?

    It is not coming apart, as with all models it adjusts to the data put in it.

    And there is nothing wrong with Mexican space shuttles, they have a 100% safety record, zero crashes.

  293. Wobbles says:

    Trump’s approval disapproval is net +3(46-43).”

    I prefer CNN, thanks.

  294. jason says:

    We won’t be seeing Roadkill Maggot here today.

    Fewer deaths, better poll numbers for Trump, market up.

    He is having a horrible morning.

  295. MichiganGuy says:

    Yeah,that cnn poll D+10 is interesting to say the least.
    .
    Gallup Poll
    .
    In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?
    .
    Republican 30%
    Democrat 30%
    Independent 36%
    .
    March 13-22
    .
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

  296. jason says:

    Add Colorado to the states that have peaked.

  297. DW says:

    I cannot imagine what it would be like to live such a horrible life, being so full of hate, because waking up and checking the news and then raging with anger because people didn’t die in the night.

  298. Phil says:

    So Never let a crisis go to waste Rahm Emanuel’s doctor brother says we can’t open the economy again for another 12-18 months.

    That would literally destroy the economy, but of course he knows that. Imagine the damage…..but hey, just think of the transformation of the economic system Democrats could bring about under those circumstances if Dems got full control of the government in November. It would be the ultimate leftist’s wet dream.

  299. Paul says:

    Good news. We may be coming out of this quicker than we thought. Trump irritates me, but will likely be reelected. If our lives get back to normal, I’m fine with four more years of Trump.

  300. Paul says:

    I have hoped for Trump’s demise. I will accept his reelection as a good thing. Both can be true.

  301. jason says:

    Trout season opens in PA.

    I agree this is essential.

    “Effective 8:00 a.m. on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission (PFBC), in consultation with the Office of the Governor, Pennsylvania Department of Health, and Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources (DCNR) opened the statewide 2020 trout season.”

  302. jason says:

    Hey Paul, GFY.

  303. Wobbles says:

    I cannot imagine what it would be like to live such a horrible life, being so full of hate, because waking up and checking the news and then raging with anger because people didn’t die in the night.”

    The ends justify the means.

  304. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    jason says:

    Zzzzzz….. so you believe the model now but not before?

    It is not coming apart, as with all models it adjusts to the data put in it.
    —————————————–

    I never said anything about the model one way or another nor do I disagree with you. But the model is of not much predictive value yet because its clearly not fully trained for how pandemics work in the US. The adjustments in just the past 4-5 days have been massive – and all good news. But there are better and worse models. This one is on the worse side – it seems its not going to accurately predict the peak until it’s behind us.

    And good point about Mexican space shuttles.

  305. Paul says:

    I think Jason gets me. 🙂

  306. jason says:

    Gov. Wolf:

    You can go fishing if you stay 6 ft apart, but if you are a realtor or a lawyer or a consultant or an architect you can’t go to your office and stay 6 ft apart.

  307. jason says:

    I think Jason gets me”

    My expertise on trolls is legendary.

  308. jason says:

    Fair enough, Michelle, enjoy the buffet.

  309. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Oh it was delicious

  310. jason says:

    Good news. We may be coming out of this quicker than we thought. Trump irritates me, but will likely be reelected. If our lives get back to normal, I’m fine with four more years of Trump.

  311. jason says:

    Big spike in MD today, wonder what that is all about.

  312. Tina says:

    CHINA’s WHO:
    – failed to report on Coronavirus after warnings from Taiwan in December
    – falsely claimed the virus couldn’t be spread with human transmission in January
    – advised against travel bans in February
    – said face masks could be ineffective in March

    Why does it still exist?

  313. jason says:

    I think it should exist, but if we are funding it then we should demand changes in its leadership which is full of political hacks.

  314. jason says:

    Tina believes doctors and not CNN.

    Will obviously be sent to re-education camp when the Marxists win.

  315. Tina says:

    Can we see the ancedotal cases of the malaria drug NOT working!

  316. Tina says:

    They are really upset with these coronavirus pressers and now, like good commies, want them banned. I think it’s because China Biden was grounded in his basement the last few days.

    David Zurawik
    @davidzurawik
    · 36m
    Televised daily briefings: TV can morally no longer be party to Trump’s reckless and dangerous behavior at the podium as thousands die. https://bit.ly/2UUaEvK

  317. Tina says:

    Kelly O dumbbell.

    NEW LANGUAGE FROM TRUMP:

    “I will protect you if your governor fails”

    BUT he has insisted the federal government is the “BACKUP”

  318. jason says:

    Can we see the ancedotal cases of the malaria drug NOT working!”

    Absolutely.

    If you take fish tank cleaner it doesn’t work well.

  319. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Sanders out.

  320. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Jason- are you staying in?

  321. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is the last hope to stop Biden. Go, A-Hole!

  322. Tina says:

    Trump needs to hammer this and return manufacturing here (meds and equipment):

    Alberto E. Martinez
    @albertemartinez
    · 3h
    NEW:

    -77% blame China for coronavirus including more than two-thirds (67%) of Democrats

    -71% say American companies should pull back manufacturing in China

    -69% support Trump’s tougher trade policies with China

    -54% say China should pay reparations

    https://washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/08/coronavirus-crisis-is-turning-americans-both-parties-against-china/

  323. Tina says:

    Let China Biden defend China.

    He is their lap dog.

  324. Tgca says:

    Models are models and always subject to change due to data updates and learned experiences. But to say a model is not initially wrong is silly. If I predict an outcome and it’s off 30%, that means my current model was wrong. There may be good reasons the model is wrong but it’s still wrong.

    If we can excuse these pandemic models, then we have to excuse the radical Libs with their climate models too. Their models must be accurate too until actual data comes in that otherwise shows differently.

    Anyone that works with statistical models know they are very subjective and influenced by design and assumptions, and if they are adjusted later on, that is part of the process but it does not mean the models were accurate all along.

    You can’t change the outcome of a model weekly and say your model is accurate. If it’s only accurate with actual data, it’s not a model, it’s actual data.

    I’d like to do that on licenses exams too. “Oh, my original answer was wrong but now that I’ve seen what the real answer should be, I need to change my exam response so my exam shows my answers were correct.”

  325. Country Dick Montana says:

    312- I read that article. 18 month lock down. Some democrats are truly very scary people.

  326. Tina says:

    The models assumed social distancing.

    At least the ones promoted by Fallacy.

  327. DW says:

    The whacky Democrat governor of Virginia just got the data on 2019 vehicular fatalities in Virginia. Shocked at the deaths he has ordered all cars off the roads until he can decide the best course of action. According to those close to the governor he is considering:

    1) Reducing the speed limit to 5 mph.
    2) Replacing all roads with a light rail system.
    3) Requiring all car owners to hire professional government approved drivers.

  328. Scooterboy says:

    Congratulations Jason on finishing top two. If Biden offers for you to be his running mate, make sure you get it in writing. Chances are he won’t remember making the offer.

  329. Tina says:

    Scripted like a WWE Event:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · 6m
    Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!

  330. Phil says:

    Bernie exits.

    Democrats now united.

  331. wvally says:

    jason says:

    Our only female A-hole is back?

    And people say there are no upsides to this virus?

    Welcome back wvally!

    ****

    Awww didja miss me? My IP address somehow got banned a while back. It was when that super nutbag poster (so many to choose from, I know, but he was a real freak) was flaming everyone nonstop and spewing weird racist rants and I think I was collateral damage with his banning. I tried to resolve it with Dave and it never panned out. I would dip in every so often to read but my posts never took. Tried last night and voila, I’m back in business.

    Anyhow, I’ve missed you A-holes. Glad to see the gang’s all still here.

  332. Tgca says:

    I think what many are missing on hydroxychloroquine is how fast it works for many. If a significant number of folks being prescribed start to show relief of symptoms unexpectedly and more quickly than what otherwise their current state was, that suggests the medication may have been beneficial in the decrease in symptoms and not just their natural healing process. Yes, it’s anecdotal because it’s not a controlled group but if this is a pattern seen throughout the world with large population base, then that is strong suggestion to approve it temporarily for use. Any medical professional that argues against this is probably negligent in the face of an epidemic of this magnitude.

    Has anyone done a controlled study on social distancing of x feet? Where is the proof it works? These so called subject matter experts can’t have it both ways and proclaim one thing without a controlled study but not another.

    Again, I trust most of the doctors on the frontline dealing with this and having some success over a bureaucrat not actively treating folks and just filling data base with data they receive, especially since all of them got it significantly wrong from day 1 in their predictions.

  333. Tina says:

    Did China Biden buy Cccp a new home and a sports car?

  334. Tina says:

    Now Maggie Hack (jebots favorite presstitute) claims that trump wants a quick fix over the pandemic.

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/04/08/nolte-cnns-maggie-haberman-criticizes-trump-for-seeking-pandemic-quick-fix/

  335. DW says:

    Did Sanders drop out absolutely or just suspend his campaign?

    If its the former, then I believe it means his delegates are released, so now the Dem party bosses can move into the mode of pushing Biden out there instead of hiding him so he will implode and then they can push him out now and replace him with Cuomo.

  336. hugh says:

    very well said. someone should ask the good doctor the same thing.

    as anyone done a controlled study on social distancing of x feet? Where is the proof it works? These so called subject matter experts can’t have it both ways and proclaim one thing without a controlled study but not another.

    I think Fauci is trying to save face and cant make a direct statement that maybe it is very encouraging even if anecdotal. Does being a scientist mean you check your common sense at the front door?

  337. Tina says:

    Cccp will remain on ballot.

    Wants to accrue delegates to shape the agenda.

  338. DW says:

    ok, if the Bolshevik just suspended his campaign, then the party bosses may have to wait until after the convention to push Biden out. Up to that point Bernie would demand to be the replacement. Once convention is over and delegates have no more power, then they can do whatever they want and it will be Trump vs Cuomo.

  339. janz says:

    According to Peter Navarro, every patient now being hospitalized in NY, with signs or a Dx of CV-19, are being given a round of HCQ. I doubt this is getting much MSM attention, as too much of their energy is focused on deriding anything to do with Trump. However, if he was against trying this anti malaria drug they would be all in on how wonderful it was!

    Also, I thoroughly agree with the comments in #288. It shocks me how willingly we go into a lockstep mode, with so few even questioning the efficacy of the tactics being employed. It’s worth remembering that trading liberty for safety does not always turn out well.

  340. Bitterlaw says:

    Welcome back, WV. Hope you are well. This must be driving your daughter crazy. She has to train for the 2024 Olympics.

  341. janz says:

    Bernie’s public statement assured fans he was still working on his vision, saying his name remained on the ballot, and by voting for him it would increase his delegate count and his ability to sway the party platform his way. There’s always a deviant plan in play when it comes to the democrat party.

  342. jason says:

    I am staying in the event Biden decides he is really running for the Senate.

  343. VictrC says:

    Interesting statistics

    Top 14 states in cases per 1M population (a fair way to gauge instead of total cases) all blue states. Bottom 15 out of 19 states Red.

    Same with fatalities per 1M population. 18 out of top 23 states, Red.

    Interestingly, the state with the fewest per 1M in cases, Minnesota.

    Extrapolate the data as you will.

  344. VictrC says:

    Clarification

    18 out of the top 23 states with lowest fatalities per 1M population – Red

    12 out of 13 with most fatalities per 1M – Blue

  345. wvally says:

    Indeed Bitter, sucks to be a kid right now–especially if you don’t have siblings to play with. The initial glow of no school and no practice is long gone 😉

    Hoping you’re well, too.

  346. VictrC says:

    Cuomo invoking 9/11 right now.
    Cuomo says flags will fly at half mast to honor corona victims

    How is this not running for office?

    But, hey, his daily press conferences are science and should be broadcast

    Trump should be charged with manslaughter.

    In dems mind both can be true

  347. Phil says:

    Damn. Italy new cases went up from 3000 to 3800 over yesterday. Still way down from three or four days ago. Guess I’m hoping for too much too soon.

    This is going to be a really slow process. REALLY slow.

  348. NYCmike says:

    On Yahoo, they linked to a story about a watch that Cuomo was wearing…….I thought it was 2008 again and Obama was running……..real sickening.

  349. Paul says:

    So, you think the Dems will push for Governor Pacino? I like him. I’d vote for him. Don’t know much about him except for the COVID pressers.

  350. jason says:

    Phil, that is not significant, the numbers will oscillate but what is important is the trend. You can see we have had upticks in new cases a few times but still 17 days in a row below the peak on March 21.

    Note the new cases vs. new recoveries curve is beginning to merge.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

  351. jason says:

    I’d vote for him. Don’t know much about him”

    You can always count on Marxists being informed voters.

  352. NYCmike says:

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-not-stopping-border-wall/

    “However, not everyone is thrilled that wall construction is continuing on. Over 40 House Democrats signed onto a letter, delivered on Friday, requesting the White House to “immediately” cease wall construction as the country deals with the coronavirus.”

    -They only time Democrats aren’t thrilled about spending tax dollars is when the federal government is actively carrying out their mission as defined in the Constitution.

  353. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The latest Trump job approval polls:

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 52%
    @GSG/@GBAOStrategies
    4/1-6

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 47%
    Disapprove 51%
    @Rasmussen_Poll
    4/2-6

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 51%
    Disapprove 47%
    Zogby Analytics 3/24-26

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 45%
    IBD/TIPP 3/29-4/1

    Trump Job Approval
    Among adults:
    Approve 47%
    Disapprove 46%

    Among registered voters:
    Approve 47%
    Disapprove 50%
    @YouGovUS/@TheEconomist
    3/29-31

    Am afraid our trolls recent love affair with Rasmussen is about to end.

  354. Country Dick Montana says:

    Looks like NY was a little above yesterday in deaths, but it was not the horrible spike from the day before. Perhaps they are rounding the corner.

  355. phoenixrisen says:

    After Trump trolls Sanders and Warren, Fox News rubs salt in the wound with this troll headline ??. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-april-8-2020

  356. Phil says:

    Ballot harvesting.

    Will Democrats get it legalized in Pa, Wisconsin, Michigan?

    If so, that’s all she wrote for Trump.

    Doubt me? SD Citizen will enlighten you as to what it did in California 2018……nd particularly what it did to the leads Republican candidates had until a few days after the elections as the vote count progressed especially in and around Orange County congressional districts. Fortunately Democrats don’t hold power in Florida so it won’t be enacted there. The bad news is if it is enacted in the other three states it’s curtains.

  357. MichiganGuy says:

    Approval of President Trump’s handling of the economy rose to 52 percent, the highest level of his presidency, CNBC’s “All America” survey showed Wednesday. That is up from 49 percent in December.
    .
    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/04/08/trumps-economic-approval-rating-hits-highest-level-ever/

  358. PresidentPaul! says:

    The left loses again.

    “Ramp Exotic
    @RampCapitalLLC
    ·
    2h
    BREAKING: Stocks rally after socialism gets delayed for at least another 4 years.”

  359. XRumerTest says:

    Hello. And Bye.

  360. Tina says:

    Wtf is wrong with WHO Tedros?

    Steve Herman
    @W7VOA
    · 1h
    Politicizing the #coronavirus issue should be avoided by countries “if you don’t want to have many more body bags,” says @DrTedros.

  361. mRviTO says:

    “Big spike in MD today, wonder what that is all about.”

    He wasn’t social distancing… that’ll learn’im.

  362. jason says:

    Looks like NY was a little above yesterday in deaths, but it was not the horrible spike from the day before. Perhaps they are rounding the corner.”

    If it holds at 779 that is right on the money for the model (775) today, and which predicts that NY will peak tomorrow at 780.

  363. jason says:

    XRumerTest says:
    April 8, 2020 at 2:40 pm

    Hello. And Bye.”

    Troll malfunction.

  364. jason says:

    Politicizing the #coronavirus issue should be avoided by countries “if you don’t want to have many more body bags,” says @DrTedros.”

    Wow. Sounds like WHO has thousands of Covid-19 ridden zombies in storage waiting to be unleashed on countries that “politicize”.

  365. mRviTO says:

    “thousands of Covid-19 ridden zombies in storage waiting to be unleashed on countries”

    Bats? Could be.

  366. jason says:

    Could be.

    Whatever it is, if Tgca wants ammo he is going to have to up the ante.

  367. Paul says:

    The Biden Stock Rally is going strong today.

  368. Paul says:

    Investors are pleased the Democrats are less divided and may potentially win in November.

  369. mnw says:

    I don’t respond to idiot, illiterate trolls, generally. But for everyone who IS financially literate, the big uptick in the major indices started well BEFORE the little Castro-wannabe dropped out this afternoon. “Biden rally,” my adz.

    Btw, is that OTHER fool who said “I’ll start to nibble at 17000” still posting here?

  370. Phil says:

    The Biden stock rally.

    Yeah, that’s it.

  371. mRviTO says:

    “I’ll start to nibble at 17000”

    Isn’t that what Walt said when asked what age he would retire?

  372. Victrc says:

    Sorry. Article about hydrochloroquin (sic) and it’s effectiveness

  373. Tina says:

    The Russians are behind the stock market rise.

    Jebot

  374. Scooterboy says:

    Like I said yesterday, Paul is the dumbest SOB on this blog. The post in 386 just confirms it.

  375. mRviTO says:

    Sean T at RCP
    @SeanTrende
    ·
    16h
    I find the (fairly large) subset of Twitter that seems allergic to any sort of *good* COVID-19 news fascinating (what I would call COVID denialists are something else entirely). Sometimes it’s probably animus toward POTUS, but I don’t think it’s the whole story.

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    ·
    16h
    I think there are kind of 4 camps:

    1) People with poor news consumption habits, e.g. too much cable, which tends to emphasize bad news and isn’t very numerate.

    2) People who don’t want to get others’ hopes up.

    3) People for whom pessimism is a coping mechanism.

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538

    But also:

    4) People who are bought into a narrative of American institutions failing.

    The “tell” that someone is in category 4 is that that they tend to emphasize how the US is doing uniquely poorly compared to, say, Europe, when that just objectively isn’t true.

  376. Tina says:

    Breaking. Washington state returning field hospital to fema to be used in another state.

  377. mRviTO says:

    Congrats to Trump

    RIP Bernie

    Trump 4

    Are top trends on twitter

  378. Messy says:

    A year hence, if we don’t die of Covid, you will be bitching about everything President Biden will be doing.

  379. mRviTO says:

    Clarence Thomas

    is the other trend from people talking about why they won’t vote for Biden

  380. mRviTO says:

    In a year, if he hasn’t died from covid because he keeps coughing into his hands and touching his face on live tv, Joe Biden will be bitching about how the Senator of the United States should have gotten a bigger helping of succotash than that random lady in the wheelchair across the hall that he keeps calling Nancy Pelosi.

  381. wvally says:

    Biden makes Trump look articulate. That’s quite a feat.

  382. mRviTO says:

    I’ll add that 400 gives me no joy in posting…. it is awful to watch.

  383. NYCmike says:

    What exactly is “succotash”?

    And, does anyone here eat it regularly?

  384. mRviTO says:

    FOX: Sen. Kelly Loeffler said Wednesday that she will liquidate her stock holdings amid scrutiny of her trades following a briefing for senators earlier this year on the threat of coronavirus.

    Loeffler, R-Ga., in a statement Wednesday, announced the liquidation of all of her and her husband’s holdings, in conjunction with legal counsel, in managed accounts. Critics have suggested Loeffler may have engaged in insider trading based on her knowledge about the coronavirus crisis — an accusation she has denied.

  385. mRviTO says:

    Corn and bean dish.

    Actually originated in the New England colonies… the name is Algonquin.

    Lots of regional varieties now.

  386. mnw says:

    P.S. Crude oil jumped 12% today, also. Thank you, Joe Biden! /s

  387. Tweety Bird says:

    Ooooh. Tow dats wut da puddy tat ted aw da time.

  388. mnw says:

    Mike

    Succotash is yellow corn & baby lima beans, at least when I’ve seen it.

    I figure the NHL regular season is dead as Judas Iscariot, but… they’ll have some kind of truncated playoffs, with shortened first round series.

  389. Country Dick Montana says:

    407- Trump threatening tariffs on imported oil may have had something to do with it.

  390. lisab says:

    “A year hence, if we don’t die of Covid, you will be bitching about everything President Biden will be doing.”

    that is the problem with your tactics with trump

    john locke wrote long ago that it is important that people accept the results of an election, especially if they lose,

    because there will be other elections when you win

    republicans have absolutely no reason at all to work with a democratic president,

    and every reason to leak everything he/she does

    and if the dems lose in 2020 … they will be severely punished by both the republicans

    but especially by the dem civil war which will ensue

  391. lisab says:

    as far as a biden rally is concerned

    it could be true, because it is becoming less likely he will be president with every press conference he does

  392. jason says:

    Daily Beast

    By Picking Joe Biden, Democrats Are Kissing Their Future Goodbye”

    Let’s hope the Dems have a lot of deadenders too.

  393. jason says:

    Pope Says Virus Is Nature’s Response to the Climate Crisis”

    Bitter to say what the Pope says outside the tenants of the Church is irrelevant to him in 3, 2, 1….

    Then he will say that he will still go to Mass in 3, 2, 1….

    Then he will say that I told him not to go to Mass in 3, 2, 1….

  394. lisab says:

    fundraising is so bad now for the dems that

    elizabeth warren has almost as much cash in her warchest

    as joe biden

  395. lisab says:

    Pope Says Virus Is Nature’s Response to the Climate Crisis”
    ———————-

    of course, warmer weather kills viruses and makes them spread less quickly

    so we should all burn more coal

    corona is from all those nyc asses who got rid of all the coal burning power plants in the north east

    who doesn’t really have a covid problem? west ginia

  396. NYCmike says:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/04/07/blood-recovered-coronavirus-victims-helps-patient-come-ventilator/

    “In trial, 10 severely-ill patients made recoveries after receiving antibodies from people who had successfully fought the Covid-19 virus”

    -Only 10?

    Disregard this, only “anecdotal”.*

    *just kidding around!

  397. wvally says:

    How can Bitter go to Mass? Isn’t church cancelled?

  398. Tina says:

    Free Beacon
    @FreeBeacon
    Poll: Majority of Americans Support Reparations… From China

    Majority of Americans Support Reparations… From China
    Most Americans think the Chinese government should pay reparations for failing to prevent the coronavirus from becoming a pandemic.
    freebeacon.com

  399. Cash Cow TM says:

    1. WELCOME BACK WVALLY!
    Wondered about you and how things were with you and your family. We went on a short hike today at Poor House Farm Park in Berkeley county.

    Good to see you posting here again.

    2. SUCCOTASH! I EAT IT! (but I prefer just lima beans by themselves)

    3. John Prine dying…I have about 5 of his albums.
    RIP, John.

    4. BERNIE DROPS OUT! Was not expecting that…

  400. Cash Cow TM says:

    “who doesn’t really have a covid problem? west ginia”

    WV has about 4 deaths so far.
    About 450 positive cases….

  401. Cash Cow TM says:

    Linda Tripp is dead.

    Hillary carves another notch in her belt.

  402. NYCmike says:

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/04/08/how_woodrow_wilson_let_death_run_viral_in_the_great_war_123047.html?mc_cid=2cd3caba12&mc_eid=fba478624c

    “One might argue that Wilson had a war to win and couldn’t afford to get distracted by anything so pedestrian as the flu. But other wartime leaders recognized the threat diseases pose. On July 4, 1775, George Washington, newly made commander of the Continental Army, instituted a regime of social distancing to keep smallpox from spreading among his soldiers. There was a quarantined smallpox hospital near a pond near Cambridge, Mass. Washington made the pond off limits. “No person is to be allowed to go to fresh-water pond a fishing or on any other occasion as there may be a danger of introducing the smallpox into the army.” It was one of the first orders Washington issued, and he never lost sight of the threat epidemics posed to soldiers and civilians alike. The man who would become the first president urged his fellow Founders to have “the utmost vigilance against this most dangerous enemy.””

    -I posted a link several days ago about 2 military commanders, in So Korea and in Italy, who were very proactive in shutting down/restricting movement of their personnel….looks like they studied all of their military history!

  403. Hugh says:

    Fauci says social distancing is working. Isn’t that anecdotal? Where is the clinical study? Jason our expert will explain it to us.

  404. janz says:

    I listened to a portion of today’s task force, and continue to be impressed by the coordinated efforts being put forth by the partnership of the public/private sectors. They are getting a myriad of equipment together, depleted by the former administration and various state governors, in a rapid fire manner. It’s too bad that such efforts are nit picked by the press instead of being given a well deserved bit of credit.

  405. janz says:

    BTW, as of this Friday in LA a $1000 fine will be imposed upon anyone not wearing a mask when outside of their home. Where are we going with such government muscle?

  406. Big E says:

    Where are the masks coming from. There is a real shortage. Patients exams are being delayed because there are not enough masks for patients and techs. It effects people’s job.

  407. Hugh says:

    And where are these delays? I have an Er dr across the street in broward. No issues there’s

  408. Bruce says:

    #417 The Freemasons have their own Pope as they always bragged they one day would.

  409. jason says:

    Fauci says social distancing is working. Isn’t that anecdotal? Where is the clinical study? Jason our expert will explain it to us.”

    Are you really that stupid?

    “Social distancing” is not a medical treatment or a drug, is it?

    Don’t answer the first question, not needed.

  410. jason says:

    These states have less than 10 deaths so far

    WV 4
    Hawaii 5
    Montana 6
    North Dakota 4
    South Dakota 6
    Alaska 7
    Wyoming 0

    VT, NM, NE, ME, AK, NH, DE, ID, and UT have less than 25 deaths.

  411. jason says:

    AR not AK less than 25 deaths. AK has 7.

  412. Hugh says:

    Non answer from the never wrong Jason.

  413. Tina says:

    This will be the new conspiracy theory by the hoaxers. They have explained this over and over again. The models are adjusted whenever there is better data.

    Chris Hayes
    @chrislhayes
    · 1h
    The most cynical interpretation of all this, one I can’t quite bring myself to accept, is they rolled out the model showing 100k deaths after they knew it would be less than that so they could anchor everyone to that # and take a vicotry lap when “only” tens of thousands died. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248016552575651842

  414. Tom says:

    430. Bruce, your give ignorance a bad name.

  415. Tina says:

    Then you have Cn and n accosted in the room, who misunderstands “test machines not running”, thinking it means non-functional. Gets corrected with “not being used”.

  416. Paul says:

    They have done scientific studies on “social distancing.” https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=social+distancing&btnG=

    It takes a comparing a similar situation as identical as possible where social distancing was used and a control where it was not used.

    In the same way if they can demonstrate a clear improvement when a drug is used when COMPARED to a control where a placebo was used, then it is very valid and much more than just anecdotal.

  417. Paul says:

    On the other hand, if you take a drug and have an improvement. It is interesting and positive but doesn’t mean a whole lot. You could have improved just as well without the drug.

  418. jason says:

    Paul wants to say something dumber than Hugh.

    Ok, successful.

  419. jason says:

    On the other hand, if you take a drug and have an improvement. It is interesting and positive but doesn’t mean a whole lot. You could have improved just as well without the drug.”

    This is absolutely brilliant.

    Let me guess, you stole it from Captain Obvious?

  420. jason says:

    they rolled out the model showing 100k deaths after they knew it would be less than that so they could anchor everyone to that # and take a vicotry lap when “only” tens of thousands died.”

    So Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx are conspiring with Trump?

    Who knew?

  421. Paul says:

    Hey, if even an idiot can understand the basic concept, others don’t have an excuse!

  422. Paul says:

    I did enter in a science fair during junior high so I do know something.

  423. Tina says:

    I believe China Biden malfunctioned again.

    Steve Guest Retweeted

    Tommy Pigott
    @TCPigott
    ·
    1h
    Joe Biden: “we should be making it easier not harder to make sure…to make sense…let me put another way, it makes no sense, it makes no sense”

  424. mRviTO says:

    WAPO opinion column: Sitting on a throne of skulls, Mitch McConnell confirms his 8999th judge.

    The legend grows.

  425. Tina says:

    Kristina Wong Flag of United States
    @kristina_wong
    Pentagon issues a statement on the ABC News report that the National Center for Medical Intelligence produced an assessment on coronavirus as early as November: “No such NCMI product exists.”

    https://twitter.com/kristina_wong/status/1248047161515876352

  426. lisab says:

    when a drug is used when COMPARED to a control where a placebo was used, then it is very valid and much more than just anecdotal.
    ———————————

    it is statistically valid

    and

    you can be the one who takes the placebo when you get covid, and the rest of us will take chloroquine

    in fact, it is generally considered unethical to give a dying patient a placebo if a medicine exists that has proven effective in the past.

  427. lisab says:

    however, i have nothing against statistical experiments

    i have a masters degree in empirical statistics.

    and in addition, scientists are excellent observers and find many discoveries from anecdotal evidence.

  428. mRviTO says:

    Our media…

    Chris Hayes
    @chrislhayes
    · 3h
    The most cynical interpretation of all this, one I can’t quite bring myself to accept, is they rolled out the model showing 100k deaths after they knew it would be less than that so they could anchor everyone to that # and take a vicotry lap when “only” tens of thousands died.

  429. lisab says:

    to give an idea of the power of inductive reasoning and science

    during ww2 many b-17’s were getting shot down over germany. a study was done where after each raid all the bullet holes and damage was carefully mapped out. the study was very clear, most of the damaged planes suffered huge damage to the wings and parts of the tail. the cockpit and engines suffered very little damage by comparison.

    sooooooooooo … they put more armor on the engines and cockpit. why?

    because the planes that made it back had almost no damage to the cockpit and engines. however, planes made it back just fine with huge holes in the wings.

    abraham wald was the jewish guy who had fled german occupation that came up with that. it is the classic inductive reasoning study.

  430. lisab says:

    of course the problem with inductive reasoning is that you can easily be wrong

    for example, people with lupus take chloroquine.

    it has been reported that very few of these patients get covid

    however, it could be that it is not the drug that keeps them from getting covid, it could be that patients with lupus have overactive immune systems, and that might be why they don’t get covid.

    the old

    sophocles was greek
    sophocles was gay
    therefore, all greeks are gay

    argument

  431. Tina says:

    Matt Zapotosky
    @mattzap
    ·
    4m
    Previewing segment Fox plans to air tomorrow, Barr says what happened to Trump in Russia investigation was “one of the greatest travesties in American history.” Probe, he says, was started “without any basis” & steps taken post-election were meant “to sabotage the presidency”

  432. jason says:

    Wow, that will trigger the MSM, the Marxists and the Never Trumpers.

  433. lisab says:

    the district courts are about to switch to a majority republican appointed court

  434. mRviTO says:

    Excerpts of the Papadopolous transcript released by CBS… shows some of the exculpatory info Horowitz said was left out of FISA.

  435. mRviTO says:

    WHO chief says he’s been getting racist attacks and death threats from Taiwan.

    Just in case you thought there was no way he could stick is head farther up China’s a$$.

  436. jason says:

    US closed out at 31,935 cases and 1940 deaths today, right on the revised curve.

  437. Tina says:

    Barr’s comments here from the laura Ingraham show tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1248092522448027651

  438. lisab says:

    WHO chief says he’s been getting racist attacks and death threats from Taiwan.

    Just in case you thought there was no way he could stick is head farther up China’s a$$.
    ——————————–

    well … at least he is not being threatened by tibetans

  439. Paul says:

    Jason,
    I was trying to use language that even Lisab would comprehend. I guess it was still beyond her.

  440. Paul says:

    Lisab said “in fact, it is generally considered unethical to give a dying patient a placebo if a medicine exists that has proven effective in the past.”

    When has this drug ever been proven effective in the past. It has not.

  441. lisab says:

    as i said paul

    you can refuse to take it if you get sick

  442. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The FDA has already approved chloroquine through an emergency use authorization for treating COVID-19.

    “Based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, it is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating COVID-19, and that, when used under the conditions described in this authorization, the known and potential benefits of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate when used to treat COVID-19 outweigh the known and potential risks of such products.

    Health care providers are authorized to use the compounds to treat hospitalized adolescent and adult COVID-19 patients weighing more than 110 pounds for whom no clinical trial is available or feasible. The recommended treatment regimen for hydroxychloroquine is 800 milligrams on the first day followed by 400 milligrams daily for four to seven days of total treatment based on clinical evaluation. The recommended treatment using chloroquine is 1 gram of the compound on day one, followed by 500 milligrams daily for four to seven days of total treatment based on clinical evaluation.”

    The decision to use the drug is made by the treating physicans and patients, not an internet troll. As lisab said, if the troll does not approve of the use of the drug, then he should not take it.

  443. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Here is a question Paul should answer:

    “Just out of curiosity, if you were struck with the worst symptoms of COVID-19, would you take the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin protocol, or turn it down because the combo wasn’t adequately tested?”

  444. lisab says:

    Here is a question Paul should answer:
    ——————–

    well … we know what his answer would be

    and we know the trurh

  445. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #466-SDC
    No,but his alter ego Proud Obamacon might!

  446. Paul says:

    I simply was restating the obvious that both Pitch and Jason have already stated.

    I for one don’t know if their has been any study of the drug compared to a control of people not on the drug. Does anyone know of anything done?

  447. Country Dick Montana says:

    6.6 million in new unemployment claims, 17 million in the last 3 weeks. This is what happens when the government is in charge of the economy. Thank you state governors.

    Of course futures are up about 1%. Must see some good news in all of this.

  448. Paul says:

    466: If it has been shown to be an improved outcome over not using the drug, then I’d take it. If not, why should I?

    Again, I don’t know what studies have been done. There has been enough use that a comparison may be available.

  449. Phil says:

    Internet trolls sick with the virus are free to take or not take the drug, Paul. I suppose, too, that the Democratic rep from Michigan would have been free to go ahead and just die without trying the drug. She and her husband decided to give it a shot. She recovered. Her choice. I’d say it was a pretty darn good one.

  450. jason says:

    Clinical trials are done with volunteers so there is nothing unethical about giving them a placebo.

    The bottom line here is that the anecdotal results certainly justify the FDA having approved this drug for use in coronavirus patients. Only the MSM and partisan hacks are against this, even Dr. Fauci has said he would certainly prescribe it himself.

    But the drug will not be approved permanently, nor should it be, until clinical trials are held and the results published. Clinical trial data will be used to determine correct usage, dosage, side effects, etc.

  451. dblaikie says:

    I have a few observations about this debate concerning HCQ. The first is “we have a right to try” in this country. I have a friend who is going to Duke University Medical Center today to try an unapproved drug for his stage 4 Cancer. If someone wants HCQ and their physicians agree end of argument. In fact if their physician doesn’t agree they have the right for a second opinion concerning their treatment option. The second observation is that Rheumatologists, they are the one who have experience with this drug say it has very little side effects under a Doctor’s care. My final observation is that for the press to try and keep someone from taking this drug for political reasons is despicable and evil. So until the clinical trials are over we have a drug, who through your physician you have a right to take, that has a lot of anecdotal evidence that it is helpful with this virus.

  452. DW says:

    Biden this morning:

    “I am glad to hear the news that Sanders dropped out. He, uhm, let me say this, he is a good man. I still prefer his fried chicken.”

  453. jason says:

    Opportunity knocks:

    “The Green Party’s Dr. Jill Stein sees Sen. Bernie Sanders’ dropping out of the race (even though he’s not actually dropping out) as an opportunity to snatch up some votes for herself. If there’s one thing Sanders voters have proven to be, it’s incredibly spiteful. As such, beckoning the wayward Bernie Bros to come and be a part of her camp is an easy task. All it takes is a simple tweet.

    “Bernie Sanders ran a good race. Now it’s clearer than ever: establishment Dems’ top priority is sabotaging progressives to maintain their own power. [The Green Party] welcomes all who understand that the fight for people, planet & peace must continue,” tweeted Stein, adding a #DemExit hashtag for good measure.”

  454. jason says:

    To be honest, I didn’t even know she was running.

  455. jason says:

    So until the clinical trials are over we have a drug, who through your physician you have a right to take, that has a lot of anecdotal evidence that it is helpful with this virus.”

    Best summary I have read so far.

  456. jason says:

    Hey dblaikie, are you signing up for the clinical trials?

    I just hope I don’t get the placebo.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/MIGHTY-SURVIVAL/whiskey-protect-against-covid-19

  457. janz says:

    China, WHO, Bill Gates, Drs Fauci/Birx, CDC, MSM all seem to be interconnected with each other.

    WHO is only narrowly funded by China, but has their back on defending them whenever possible. Gates is the 2nd largest funder of WHO, and has strong associations with Fauci & Birx who sit on leadership boards of his foundation. Gates is also heavily invested in building 7 vaccine labs – a vaccine that may become a future mandated one. All the while Gates is behind the inaccurate WA U Murray model being pushed by Birx/Fauci. He’s now even funding the NY hydroxychloroquine study, a remedy Fauci disses for immediate use until said trials are done and meet approval – approval that may be years away. The CDC has been a rock in the road of testing, initially withholding approval from independent labs getting involved in testing – a lapse Trump is being faulted with. The CDC is also giving guidance as to assigning COVID-19 being the reason for death, using “assumption” versus real confirmation – thus padding the death-by-virus death count. Then there is the MSM, parroting information, without vetting it first, that is spoon-fed to them. Their only requirements seem to be that said info be sensational and can be used to discredit the president.

    Something just doesn’t feel right, especially in lieu of the massive disruption this virus has caused, world-wide.

  458. Paul says:

    janz, you forgot about Soros. There has got to be a way to weave him into the conspiracy.

  459. DW says:

    A lot of medicines get used for things for which they were never designed. For decades migraine sufferers were limited only to drugs designed for other things (depression, seizures, etc).

    Sometimes solutions are simple. A few years ago a doctor in Virginia announced he had found a simple solution for septic shock–when an infection has gone crazy and is spreading rapidly throughout the body. Normally the only thing they can do is call the family in to say their goodbyes. This doctor discovered by chance that giving the victim a very high dose of Ibuprofin followed by a high dose of vitamin C rescued the patient, who fully recovered. So this was done on all subsequent cases that came in with tremendous success.

  460. Tina says:

    Janz, tedros, (WHO) is China’s sock puppet. He is a loon and a disgrace.

  461. dblaikie says:

    Sign me up! In fact I will further volunteer to test the effectiveness of different single malts from different areas! Maybe the amount of peat is important. We need a full trial.

  462. janz says:

    In the midst of this pandemic lunacy, the country has reverted to almost a police state – in a short period of time. People are shamed who don’t follow the script. National debt is piling up, as civil rights are voluntarily being given up. To compound it all, the movement to facilitate voter fraud, by demands for mailing in votes, is growing and seems to be on our horizon. Should that goal be accomplished, we can kiss off fair elections – advantage given to the left in easily enacting their agenda. BTW, disadvantage to Trump, in achieving being re-elected.

  463. janz says:

    Tina, agree about Tedros, who is the top guy at the WHO, but isn’t a medical doctor.

    Paul, Soros is always present where any chaos erupts. He and Gates have historical affiliations. Furthermore, Soros is investing money in Chinese labs.

    Also, weaving subtle or unadvertised associations into one paragraph is meant to invoke critical thinking (rather than conspiratorial retorts), and perhaps questions about the validity of facts being propagated about this pandemic. IMO, it’s far better to have healthy curiosity, even skepticism, than listless acceptance of circumstances carrying so much weight in changing normal to abnormal overnight.

  464. jason says:

    Sorry janz, but this is not a conspiracy theory.

    There are 15k dead Americans, maybe 60k before it is over. 19 in Italy, 15k in Spain, 11k in France.

    We are trending toward half a million Americans with the virus, could easily top 2 million.

    Now, is the MSM and a lot of others, including Soros, people at the WHO, Pelosi, Schumer, the Pope, the Gretas, etc. going to try to use the crisis to advance their agendas? Of course.

    But are Fauci and Birx part of some gigantic conspiracy, no. They are doing what they are assigned to do. Make recommendations to minimize the number of infections and deaths. And they are doing a great job.

    It is up to Trump and his economic advisors to weigh the data and the projections given by the experts and make decisions accordingly.

    I think the idea of a task force to study how to open up the economy in stages is a good one. Car dealerships, realtors… these are mostly one on one types of businesses.. if you can take your car in to be fixed you should be able to go in and buy a car. You should be able to go see an empty house. You should be able to play golf one person to a cart.

    But conspiracies theories don’t add anything to the situation.

  465. jason says:

    and perhaps questions about the validity of facts being propagated about this pandemic”

    The facts

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

  466. Wes says:

    Your modern-day Democrat Party, People:

    Corrupt child molesters are welcome!

    Anti-choice supporters of school vouchers not so much.

  467. jason says:

    Chris Murray Model shows NY peaking today number of deaths.

    Because the curve getting to where we are in NY was fairly steep, the curve on the other side is fairly steep too, so that is good news.

    In a week, the projection shows half the number of daily deaths as today.

    In two weeks, 36 deaths vs 800 today.

  468. SusyQue says:

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

    I do not trust Dr. Fuaci. He is a big Clinton donor. He likes Bill Gates, Obama, and Soros!

    I totally think he misled the President, the CDC and the nation with bad, inadequate advice from the get go and then plants his ‘soft smear’ bait agaimst the administration during his interviews with mainstream media outlets. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing right now and is deep state cahoots with the Democrats as an insider being used to bring down the economy and harm the Presidents efforts

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

    Those haters are serious and ruthless.
    Sorry, if that doesn’t sit well with anyone, but my gut feeling is it is a well orchestrated hit job on American and globally to advance a focus on driving us to a one world order in the near future. #don’ttrustfauci

    PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE!

  469. Big E says:

    We will share your opinion

  470. jason says:

    I share all of SSQ’s messages with my garbage can.

  471. jason says:

    “Mexico’s prostitutes end up homeless as coronavirus keeps clients at home, shuts hotels”

    This is very sad.

    SSQ, would you consider lodging one of these poor working women at your house until the crisis is over, it would be the Christian thing to do.

    I am sure your husband will agree.

  472. jason says:

    I do not trust Dr. Fuaci.”

    I wouldn’t either.

    Sounds like he could be an ISIS terrorist.

  473. jason says:

    Since prostitution is (mostly) a one on one type of business, I would recommend it be one of the first businesses allowed to reopen.

  474. NYCmike says:

    “You should be able to play golf one person to a cart.”

    -Or, as Don Corleone would say “You can act like a man!”, unless physically unable to do so, and walk the course while carrying your own bag!

  475. Tina says:

    2nd time this week that Jon Karl, Whca, has allowed Commie Chinese to ask questions

    ing…
    Quote Tweet

    Raheem Kassam ?
    @RaheemKassam
    · 1h
    ”Reporter” Ching-Yi Chang, told @realDonaldTrump he is from Taiwan yesterday in the White House.

    He was *born* in Taiwan.

    But he *works* for Chinese state owned Shanghai Media Group – a propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party.

    More here: https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/another-ccp-reporter-white-house-trump/

  476. jason says:

    “Or, as Don Corleone would say “You can act like a man!”, unless physically unable to do so, and walk the course while carrying your own bag!”

    What a novel idea, but it seems like a lot of work.

    And a real man would have his wife carry the bag.

    Hmmm….

  477. NYCmike says:

    “And a real man would have his wife carry the bag.

    -A woman…….ON A GOLF COURSE……the horrors!

    HEATHEN!

  478. Tina says:

    Quote Tweet

    Jonathan Lemire
    @JonLemire
    · 1h
    Since mid-March, the average length of the briefings has grown from 61 minutes to 105, with the president’s speaking time increasing from 20 minutes per session to 53. In the course of 28 coronavirus events, Mr. Trump has spoken a total of 18½ hours. https://nytimes.com/2020/04/08/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-news-briefings.html?referringSource=articleShare

  479. jason says:

    “And a real man would have his wife carry the bag.

    -A woman…….ON A GOLF COURSE……the horrors!

    HEATHEN!”

    Nobody said anything about playing or going to the clubhouse.

  480. jason says:

    Since mid-March, the average length of the briefings has grown from 61 minutes to 105, with the president’s speaking time increasing from 20 minutes per session to 53. In the course of 28 coronavirus events, Mr. Trump has spoken a total of 18½ hours.”

    On the other hand, since the Dems have not taken office yet, nobody is actually forced to watch any of it.

    Of course once they do, people like Roadkill Maggot will be checking the neighborhood to make sure everyone watched state TV.

  481. NYCmike says:

    “Nobody said anything about playing or going to the clubhouse.”

    -You give an inch, before you know it they are giving themselves a 3′ putt!

  482. dblaikie says:

    I have no problem readjusting the “models” as more data comes. Each day a revision is expected as events change and warrant. But to go from 150000 to 250000 dead just a week and half ago to 60000 today and probably down again in the next couple of days shows that the early models were bogus, because they were based on bogus assumptions.

    Now in saying that it doesn’t take away from the fact that “social distancing” has been a large counter balance against this virus. And in truth each day, with each huge revision, we are getting a more accurate picture. But folks this isn’t rocket science or complicated.

    Both are true! Our social distancing has made a difference and their early models have proven to be bogus. What I object too is when place this “success” totally at the feet of “social distancing” it creates the false assumption that we need to stay in lock down until we are all completely dependent on well meaning Government. The truth is that we can have both a free society and a society that will be responsible with this virus once this first onset is dampened.

    Maybe I am wrong, but I can’t help but speculate that are there those who want to keep the foot of emergency measures on the country’s neck until we wake up in the America that OAC, and Bernie have always dreamed.

  483. lisab says:

    Clinical trials are done with volunteers so there is nothing unethical about giving them a placebo.
    —————————-

    actually there is an international agreement on medical ethics, and just having volunteers is not enough to allow a clinical trial using a placebo, at least on humans.

    they can compare two different treatment options, for example, chloroquine vs. anti-bodies, but they probably would not be approved for a clinical trial of chloroquine vs. nothing.

  484. Tina says:

    People are going to be angry that the economy was shut down and 20 million are out of work.

    And now, the drats won’t extend the ppp.

    pm
    I have no problem readjusting the “models” as more data comes. Each day a revision is expected as events change and warrant. But to go from 150000 to 250000 dead just a week and half ago to 60000 today and probably down again in the next couple of days shows that the early models were bogus, because they were based on bogus assumptions.

  485. Tina says:

    Hopefully, trump slams the drats at the presser about the ppp.

  486. Tina says:

    i Retweeted

    M3thods
    @M2Madness
    ·
    5h
    Joe Biden in 2016: “The growth of China is overwhelmingly in our interest.”

  487. DW says:

    Dave W, time for a new thread to show these national numbers:

    Change Research:

    Trump 45%
    Biden 43%

    1200 Likely Voters.

  488. lisab says:

    People are going to be angry that the economy was shut down and 20 million are out of work.
    ——————————————-

    yes, but the models show that millions of people ** could ** have died. we now know that without intervention hundreds of thousands could have died — which would be like a super-flu because the flu season regularly kills tens of thousands.

    do explain it briefly, when you think of a bell curve, (normal curve), typically you expect most results to be within 3 or 4 standard deviations of the mean average. that is statistics 101.

    however, MAXIMUMS, do not follow a bell curve, (normal curve). they follow the extreme value distribution, which is highly skewed. that is, the worst case scenario produces results that can be 20 standard deviations from the mean average.

    for example, the mean average rainfall per day in north carolina is maybe 0.1 inches, with a standard deviation of less than an inch. but the maximum rainfall they have gotten in a day is something like 8 to 10 inches, during a hurricane a few years ago.

  489. lisab says:

    that is, according to the models, things ** could ** have been black death bad.

  490. jason says:

    they can compare two different treatment options, for example, chloroquine vs. anti-bodies, but they probably would not be approved for a clinical trial of chloroquine vs. nothing.”

    It wouldn’t be nothing, it would be conventional treatment.

    Which despite widespread use of chloroquine, it is still what most people are getting and most are surviving on.

  491. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Civic testing to be administered by pharmacies.

  492. Tina says:

    Covid*

  493. janz says:

    #489. Unfortunately when people question, rather than fully respond to government directives, they oftentimes are considered to be motivated by “conspiracies.”

    However, for me, when there are far too many interacting coincidences in play, having reasonable doubt is reasonable in wondering whether or not an event is being accurately reported or even having the highest and best interest of the people in mind. Furthermore, when examining the co-morbidity aspects of those being counted as dying from COVID-19, the CDC guidance only obscures the real cause of death by accepting loose assumptions of fact rather than relying purely on positive test results. IOW, the morbidity numbers are not exclusively governed by standard testing metrics, making such numbers suspect and less valuable in accounting for someone’s death from this virus, versus to dying from “something else.”

  494. Tina says:

    Phuq Yeah

    Bowen Xiao
    @BowenXiao_
    · 5m
    #BREAKING: Executive Branch agencies just unanimously recommended the FCC revoke and terminate China Telecom’s Services in the US

    China Telecom is the U.S. subsidiary of a People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-owned telecommunications company. – Per DOJ

  495. lisab says:

    they can absolutely compare treatments

    but they cannot usually give half the patients a promising drug, and half a placebo.

    that rule partially came out of the tuskegee study, which did not end until 1972!

  496. jason says:

    “But to go from 150000 to 250000 dead just a week and half ago to 60000 today and probably down again in the next couple of days shows that the early models were bogus, because they were based on bogus assumptions.”

    Not really. And it wasn’t 150k to 250k, it was 100k to 240k at the top of the curve.

    It was then reduced to 93k, 81k and 60k.

    It doesn’t mean anything was “bogus”. It just meant new data was being incorporated into the model.

    What I object too is when place this “success” totally at the feet of “social distancing” it creates the false assumption”

    I don’t agree with this either. The evidence that social distancing is effective is pretty conclusive, so there is no “false assumption” here. If we want to accept chloroquine as effective based on anecdotal evidence, then we certainly should accept that social distancing works.

    And the truth is social distancing IS the only remedy against getting this virus available, since there is no vaccine and no prophylactic treatment.

    I agree that we are going to have to start opening the economy soon, hopefully in early May, but social distancing is going to have to be part of any “opening” until we have a vaccine or a treatment.

  497. Tina says:

    Trump needs to reopen the economy soon. Listen to the experts.

    And go after thr commie Chinese.

    Box in China joe for being a shill.

  498. Tina says:

    Janz, I don’t believe it’s a conspiracy.

    I don’t agree though with the shut down the entire economy approach led by Dr. Fallacy, who was wrong on everything.

    Fallacy is like the star qb that went 0-16.

    His team either sucked or he sucked.

  499. jason says:

    Civic testing to be administered by pharmacies.”

    Messy Moron won’t pass.

  500. jason says:

    Dr. Fallacy, who was wrong on everything.”

    As far as I am concerned, where it counts Dr. Fauci has been right on everything.

    If Trump gets re-elected he can thank Fauci, because if not for Fauci we would probably have a million deaths and Trump would not survive that politically.

    I hope Trump gives him the Medal of Freedom, he deserves it.

  501. Tina says:

    Give the Chinese commies the medal of freedom,

    OR be like the,bush foundation and send them medical gloves.

  502. jason says:

    Let’s hope the model everyone is attacking is not wrong on the optimistic side.

    Because if it is correct, we are going to peak in the number of cases on Sunday April 13.

    If it is correct we will be down to 790 deaths a day on May 1, 221 deaths a day May 15th, and 21 deaths a day May 30th.

    If this get adjusted downwards again, as could well happen, these numbers will look even better.

  503. jason says:

    I should say peak in the number of deaths Sunday April 13, not cases.

  504. Hugh says:

    Saved us from a million deaths. Please based on what science?

  505. jason says:

    Hugh really seems like a guy who believes in “science”.

  506. jason says:

    Trump himself said with no mitigation we would have had 2 million deaths, I cut it to 1 million.

    Was he wrong?

  507. Hugh says:

    Yes. He’s a politician.

  508. jason says:

    However, I do think there is evidence we can look here to prove the 1 million is not far off.

    Look at New York, which currently is showing 8200 cases per 1 M population. NY started mitigation late and was subject to a lot of international travelers so it is a good example of what could have happened elsewhere without earlier mitigation. We also have the Mardi Gras example in New Orleans.

    If that rate happened in the entire country, at this point we would have 2.7 million cases midway through the crisis, let’s say 5.4 million total. At a 3% death rate we would have 160000 deaths. I know, 3% is high, does not account for unreported cases, but right now we have 457k cases and 16,246 deaths, 3.5%.

    But that is still with the closing down of the country, albeit late like NY did. Without closing you could easily have had 10 times more cases and ten times more deaths.

    So I think the million death number without mitigation is fair.

    We can thank Dr. Fauci, and others on the task force, that it didn’t happen. And we can thank Trump for being smart enough to take their advice.

  509. jason says:

    Pence to CNN: No Interviews With Our Health Officials Until You Cover Briefings”

    Good.

  510. Hugh says:

    In China a country filled with chain smokers who work elbow to elbow and mostly live communally in the cities and eat together would have millions dead in my view if the virus was as deadly as proclaimed. NYC is our most densely populated spot in the us. Very anecdotal at best.

  511. jason says:

    It is a good point, China should have had more spread but they took really draconian measures that we didn’t. They knew how bad it was before they let it spread while telling the rest of the world it wasn’t so bad until it was too late.

    But we now know it IS a lot more deadly, and spreads a lot more easily, because the numbers are showing that.

    We are closer to being Italy and Spain than we are China. At present we have 49 deaths/1M population vs. 6 times that in Italy and Spain. But if we hit 60000 deaths, we are going to be around 200 deaths/1M vs. 300 in Spain and Italy.

    China? They claim 2 deaths per 1M population.

  512. jason says:

    Good news.

    “Boris Johnson is out of intensive care as he continues to recover from COVID-19 complications, a spokesman for the U.K. prime minister said Thursday.

    “The prime minister has been moved this evening from intensive care back to the ward, where he will receive close monitoring during the early phase of his recovery,” the spokesman said.

  513. Tgca says:

    Huh wo

  514. Big E says:

    Boris Johnson when released will become the poster child to get everything moving again around the world when he is released.

  515. Tgca says:

    5 4 3…
    2 1…
    Blast off!

  516. Phil says:

    China claims 2 deaths per 1 million. LOL

    Draconian measures or the most blatant lie in history.

    If you are going to lie it would seem you would always want to make it at least somewhat believable. The Chinese don’t even attempt to do that with their numbers. God, I hate those MFs.

  517. Florida Guy says:

    “If Trump gets re-elected he can thank Fauci, because if not for Fauci we would probably have a million deaths and Trump would not survive that politically.”

    No one seems to understand this: THERE HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN CLOSE TO 100,000 DEATHS GLOBALLY YET. In 3.5 months.

  518. NYCmike says:

    As Iowahawk stated (paraphrasing) “The Chicoms official position is ZERO people died at Tianenmen Square.”

  519. janz says:

    #537. The virus models were predicated on the current mitigation going on, and still they were wildly off the mark, and continue to be modified downward as reality comes into focus.

  520. Tina says:

    “Much like Westher Forecasts”

    IHME_UW
    @IHME_UW
    · 3h
    New data from several states indicates a decline in the overall deaths we predict for the US. It’s important to note that our forecasts range from 126,703 to 31,221 deaths. As data comes in, our estimates will change, much like weather forecasts adjust. http://ms.spr.ly/6014TeCpg

  521. jason says:

    HERE HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN CLOSE TO 100,000 DEATHS GLOBALLY YET. In 3.5 months.”

    Zzzzz…there are 95000 reported deaths and there were 6500 deaths so far today.

    But that is ok, many people can’t do any math.

  522. jason says:

    As data comes in, our estimates will change, much like weather forecasts adjust.”

    Exactly, that is how models work. It is not rocket science to understand it, really.

  523. pitchaboy says:

    Have been very busy the last couple of days as the surge in PA is hitting. Few comments:
    1. The models done were all basically wrong, because, the data put in by all the modellers from UK, US and elsewhere were erroneous.(part of the issue is China not fessing up)
    2. Early antibody data from Germany suggests we could be seeing a lot more undiagnosed infections. The exact prevalence will be known once we get antibody data. But they feel that for every 1 infection picked, there were about 5 undiagnosed That would put the mortality rate way down and would fuel the conspiracy theorists that Fauci and Birx were running interference on the Trump economy.
    3. The larger issue is this question: if in the future you deal with another pandemic unleashed on a virgin world population (0 herd immmunity) and with an observed case fatality upward of 2% or so, what would you do: hard to come up with anything different. What could be done differently is to make a deal that wherever this starts, the bigwigs of public health should descent and get a quick read and develop both diagnostic antigen and antibody testing.

  524. Tina says:

    Wow, what an ad by trumps campaign against China Biden.

    Fallacy also appears.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1248361966504153088

  525. Tina says:

    Alex Salvi
    @alexsalvinews
    · 9m
    NEW: The White House is preparing a second #COVID?19 task force narrowly focused on reopening the economy.

  526. NYCmike says:

    In future, the way air travel works should immediately come under scrutiny. As we are finding out now, once Trump enacted a ban on travel from parts of China into the states, the same ban should have been applied to those travelers who started there, but came to United States thru another entry, such as Italy or Spain.

    Also, still a bit confused by the lack of testing available…..who was in charge of that, and does that need to be less centralized?

    Pretty sure masks will be more prevalent next winter in NYC.

  527. Bitterlaw says:

    All of the discussion about models being wrong reminds me of Polaris. He was always certain that his electoral predictions were right but the voters screwed up and did not the way he predicted.

  528. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    It appears that the Israeli may be on the cusp of a successful way to treat the C-Virus through cell therapy. They are 6 for 6 in treating critically ill patients with this treatment.

    Pitch, any thoughts?

    https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-COVID-19-treatment-shows-100-percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058

  529. Tina says:

    Testing?

    Anti body testing?

    Vaccine?

    See Dr. Fallacy.

    Everything from him is wrong or broken.

  530. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fauci was right that at the beginning of the epidemic we needed to err on the side of caution. Am sure with the benefit of hindsight, many will now second guess him.

  531. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Fox News poll

    Trump at 49-49.

    Highest evah in this poll.

    Caveat: maybe one of the worst polling firms.

  532. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    A model is an educating guess often made with the aid of a computer. They have a benefit, but rarely completely accurately.

    Someone with experiencing in modeling once said:

    “Ignore mathematical models unless they contain all possible variables; otherwise chaos theory applies – a “nearly infinite constellation of variables – simply makes further prediction impossible.” A dart throwing chimp would be more accurate than a mathematical model with unknown variables.”

  533. NYCmike says:

    SDC,

    The issue I have with Fauci is this – there are interviews in January where he says he is not concerned about the spread of the virus. That right there makes me question his expertise. He is probably brilliant, in a particular way, but he is no leader. He is a lifetime government worker who is very smart but just as limited as the rest of us in certain situations. Unfortunately, in a situation like this, he should have been more like Senator Cotton, as opposed to how he reacted.

  534. pitchaboy says:

    Interesting. The people who deteriorate dont die from respiratory failure any longer as we have good protocols to keep them ventilated. They go into a septic shock state with very low blood pressure requiring support with medications and this low pressure shuts down the kidneys and the heart over a period of time. This is called Cytokine Storm and the belief is the immune system is hyperactive. This cell therapy is to calm down the immune system: counter-intuitive in that death can come from too little immunity or in many instances, too much of it. The same thing is seen in dengue fever and is known as ADE or antibody dependent enhancement of injury.
    6 patients is a very small sample size and clearly the next step will be a randomized controlled trial. The other trial to watch is the antibody cocktail trial now opening in the US. Initially it will be from recovered patients, in the early summer, Regeneron will have an engineered antibody cocktail like they did with Ebola.

  535. pitchaboy says:

    Fauci is not without blame. On March 9, he said cruising is safe. Everybody made mistakes, because nobody really knew a damn.

  536. John says:

    Just heard that Joe Biden is leaning on Kamala Harris as his vp….

  537. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Who would make a better Democratic candidate against President Trump in the November election – Joe Biden or Andrew Cuomo?
    Biden 46%
    Cuomo 45%
    @Rasmussen_Poll, Among Democrats, 4/2-5

  538. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Spell check needs to be placed in quarantine.

  539. jason says:

    Time for us to launch a “vote for Jill Stein” troll operation.

  540. jason says:

    there are interviews in January where he says he is not concerned about the spread of the virus. That right there makes me question his expertise.”

    Zzzzzz….what drivel.

    He based that on the information at hand. He had no way of knowing it was false.

    He is not a leader? LOL.

  541. jason says:

    Just heard that Joe Biden is leaning on Kamala Harris”

    No, I hear he is sniffing around Amy Klobuchar.

  542. jason says:

    he should have been more like Senator Cotton”

    Has Cotton-Perdue come to a vote yet?

  543. Wes says:

    Are we sure Biden isn’t feeling up Liz Warren?

  544. janz says:

    Everybody has made mistakes, but only one person has been routinely blamed, in magnified portions.

    What I find personally troubling about Fauci are his prior misfirings on HIV predictions, some of his conflicted statements on COVID-19, his conflicts of interest relationships with the Gate’s Foundation and others, his back & forth comments regarding the efficacy of HCQ, and his body language when participating in a few of the very public daily task force forums that are televised.

  545. Wes says:

    Mikey just needs to say Fauci is corrupt because of ties to China and Bill Gates now to become a true Ronulan.

  546. lisab says:

    Saved us from a million deaths. Please based on what science?
    ————————

    Hugh,

    based on mathematical models.

    the models can predict how bad something Might get, but they cannot say how bad it WILL get.

    as an example, the models can predict what a once in a 200 year flood looks like, but they cannot say that flood will happen this year.

    the model for covid obviously said this is going to kill a lot of people, and it could kill a HUGE amount of people.

  547. NYCmike says:

    Wow, another human being raised to mythical/GOD-like stature by jason and Wes!

    #577 is absolute gibberish…..Wes, do you have a certificate in gibber?

  548. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden should realize Kamala Harris is not cheap:

    “State Attorney General (served 2011-2017), and the U.S. Senate (beginning in 2017), all after ending the relationship with Brown. Once in office, Harris became known for her lavish personal lifestyle, using campaign and other funds for first-class air travel and upscale hotels which routinely cost $800 to $1000 a night, topping out in one instance at $1,722.59 for one nights’ stay. One former aide commented that “Kamala demands a life of luxury.””

  549. janz says:

    The MSM is supposedly not going to carry the task force broadcasts anymore. This may be a good move, as those who want to see it can always tune into FOX, OAN or other streaming mediums. Otherwise, maybe it’s a good thing to tamp down the coverage. Maybe Trump could also find less time to spend in open warfare with the press.

  550. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt said he would stay at least 5 feet away from any coronavirus models, regardless of how pretty they were.

  551. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Attack ad on Biden/China ties

    https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1248361966504153088

    Holy Moses

  552. Cash Cow TM says:

    Or how nice their bell curves were.

  553. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lets not forget that Kamala Harris is the tool of the tech industry and Silicon Valley. If she becomes VP, Biden will spend his time talking to the White House walls, and the Harris and the same tech caste of characters who ran the Obama White House will be in charge again.

    “By the time Harris ran for the Senate, she could count on massive support from Bay Area law firms, real-estate developers, and Hollywood. More important, she appealed, early on, to tech mavens such as Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg and Sean Parker, Marc Benioff of Salesforce, Yahoo’s Marissa Mayer, venture capitalist John Doerr, Steve Jobs’s widow Laurene Powell, and various executives at tech firms such as Airbnb, Google, and Nest, who have collectively poured money into her campaigns. Their investment was not ill-considered. Harris seems a sure bet for the tech leaders. Her husband, attorney Doug Emhoff, was a managing partner with Venable Partners, whose clients include Microsoft, Apple, Verizon, and trade associations opposing strict Internet regulations.

    https://www.city-journal.org/kamala-harris-silicon-valley

  554. NYCmike says:

    Pitchaboy,

    Thanks again for the updates.

    Good luck to you!

  555. Pitchaboy says:

    For those of you against mandated containment, look at Sweden. They are likely to change course as their experiment is beginning to fail.

  556. Pitchaboy says:

    Thank you NYC. Philly is opening up Temple as step down unit for COVID patients as the surge is next week. I will be volunteering my free time there as a virtual consultant. When I get a bit of downtime, I check in with you guys for my therapy.

  557. NYCmike says:

    “When I get a bit of downtime, I check in with you guys for my therapy.”

    -Therapy??

    You keep that up, the Philly A-Holes may give you an automatic membership!

  558. Victrc says:

    Two things

    1. The latest attack on Trump from MSNBC – he didn’t close down Europe in January when he should have. I kid you not. From the same people who call him racist for shutting down China on Jan 31 (or thereabouts) are now saying he was negligent for not shutting down travel from Europe in Mid January.
    you just cant make this stuff up… well, they do

    2. That link to the ad doesn’t work. Guess they took teh video down

  559. lisab says:

    I kid you not. From the same people who call him racist for shutting down China on Jan 31 (or thereabouts) are now saying he was negligent for not shutting down travel from Europe in Mid January.
    ————————-
    Victrc,

    most people from europe are white

  560. John says:

    566, 572, 574 followup…
    Just released on CNN.com
    “Top 10 Women Joe Biden vp pick….”
    #1 – Kamala Harris
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/joe-biden-vp-vice-president-pick/index.html

  561. lisab says:

    if he picks kamala

    joe is a little younger than i thought!

    bow chicka wow wow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaGlnNaL80

  562. VictrC says:

    The fact that CNN has Harris as the number one choice as VP shows how out of touch with America they are. They will not win them Wisconsin, most likely not PA and definitely not any other state Trump won in 2016.

    Liberals just dont get it. Americans DONT WANT TO BE CA. They loathe California and all it stands for (nanny state, govt control, illegal immigration, poor schools, immoral, anti-2nd amendment, etc)

    The rest of his list looks like an affirmative action wishlist.

    Americans will see right through this, As well, they are going to look at this person as the de facto next President. You really think Americans want Kampala Harris as the next President?

  563. jason says:

    Mikey just needs to say Fauci is corrupt because of ties to China and Bill Gates now to become a true Ronulan.”

    He didn’t attack Fauci before, but I think he was moved by ssq’s “deep” posts.

  564. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sweden has 793 deaths from CORVID-19. Compare that with Italy at 18,279; or France 12,210; UK at 7,978; Germany with 2607; or Netherlands with 2,396. Not enacting mandatory quarantine like measures does not seem to have resulted a worse scenario yet (even when accounting for population size differences.) Now some health bureaucrats claim Sweden is about to spike, and criticize the fact businesses have not been closed. We will see.

    Scandinavian culture has a lot of natural social distancing aspects to it — people generally like to have a lot of space between each other. The CORVID-19 death rates are very low in all Scandinavian countries. Denmark is now planning to lift some of its lockdown restrictions.

  565. jason says:

    US closed out at +33000 and +1900 deaths, slightly below the curve (+2037).

    Definitely looks like it is topping out.

  566. jason says:

    SDC, we will have to see about Sweden.

    Sweden has 10 million people vs. 60 million for Italy. The projection for Sweden is 4000 deaths which per capita would put them a lot closer to Italy.

    But even if the death toll is similar, if they do it without destroying their economy, maybe they will feel it was the right strategy.

  567. Pitchaboy says:

    Sweden on the upslope. Italy downslope. Look at cases met million and deaths per million. Sweden taking off. Their parliament meets this weekend to consider mandatory measures

  568. Phil says:

    Another great day statistics wise in China. Only one virus related death in a country of 1.4 billion.

    What a job by the Chicons.

  569. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “Sweden has reached cross-party agreement on sweeping emergency powers to close shops, restaurants and schools in response to the coronavirus crisis – but the government has no immediate plans to use them.

    * * *
    Swedish health minister Lena Hallengren has insisted the government has no concrete plans to use its new powers, applicable from April 18 to June 30th. Instead the measure is precautionary, allowing the government to act quickly, bypassing parliament if needed, rather than wait for parliamentary backing for emergency measures.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-sweden-to-enact-crisis-powers-but-hold-them-in-reserve-1.4223367

  570. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch – My son is a Senior at Temple. He will not have a graduation ceremony in part because the Liacouras Center will be used for patients.

    I don’t drink but I would be happy to buy you a drink when this is over. Where is your practice?

  571. jason says:

    If Bitter invites me I will join him in buying Pitch a drink.

    And I do drink.

  572. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Nate Silver did an attack on the Swedish approach, and got ripped on twitter:

    @MCMCMCMC
    Replying to
    @NateSilver538
    As somebody who lives in Stockholm, I can tell you that life here is absolutely not normal, social distancing is (mostly) being followed (is it truly anywhere?) and you should not believe the hype. It does feel that the rest of the world (esp. the right) wants us to fail.

    @dan_lah
    No reason to shame Sweden that I can see
    @NateSilver538
    They do an excellent job publishing their data. Deaths peaked 4/4 and clearly declining. Avlidna/day = deaths/day.

    @AlistairHaimes
    Replying to
    @NateSilver538
    Where is the shame? They have low mortality and plenty of room in ICUs

    @InDarknessShine
    Replying to
    @NateSilver538
    And yet latest polls in Sweden (today) has government up since last week. Trust is higher than ever.

    Replying to
    @NateSilver538
    Maybe people should stop rooting for Sweden to fail and realize that sheltering at home indefinitely is not a viable plan

  573. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch will have a great time with the A-holes

  574. jason says:

    Most people do.

  575. Tina says:

    Quote Tweet

    Mike Coudrey
    @MichaelCoudrey
    · 1h
    Professor Didier Raoult has just released the results of a new Hydroxychloroquine treatment study involving 1061 patients.

    It shows after being treated with Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin, a complete virological cure was obtained in 91.7% of patients within 10 days.

  576. mRviTO says:

    The right wants them to fail?

  577. Tina says:

    Mike Coudrey
    @MichaelCoudrey
    ·
    3h
    Dr Fauci: WHO boss ‘really an outstanding person’, done ‘very well’ on coronavirus.

    WHO:
    Jan 14: No clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of coronavirus

    Feb 7: Masks don’t necessarily protect you

    Feb 22: No benefit to stopping international travel

  578. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    First it was Trump, and now French President Macron. The headline from Le Monde:

    “Emmanuel Macron’s surprise visit to microbiologist Didier Raoult The President of the Republic met, Thursday in Marseille, the infectious disease specialist, famous for having promoted hydroxychloroquine in the fight against the coronavirus.”

  579. Bitterlaw says:

    Tina – If Fauci is so terrible, why does your infallible hero, Trump, keep him around? You are the biggest Trump supporter here but never explain this seeming contradiction.

  580. mRviTO says:

    There seems to be some reports from the opposition that nearly 25000 have died of covid in Iran.

  581. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Now the Germans are claiming herd immunity is growing in the German town of Gangeit. From the Telegraph:

    “Many more people may have been infected with the coronavirus and acquired immunity than previously thought, according to a groundbreaking study in Germany.
    Scientists studying the town at the epicentre of Germany’s first major outbreak said they had found antibodies to the virus in people who had shown no symptoms and were not previously thought to have been infected.
    Initial results released on Thursday suggest as many as 15 per cent of the town may already have immunity — three times as many as previous estimates.
    The findings suggest the mortality rate for the virus in Germany is just 0.37 per cent — five times lower than current estimates.
    “This means a gradual relaxation of the lockdown is now possible,” Prof Hendrik Streeck, the virologist leading the study told a press conference….”

  582. Tina says:

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    3h
    The media are positioning Dr. Fauci to be the tip of their spear when President
    @realDonaldTrump
    decides to open the economy.

    Fauci will kick up a political stink; might even quit; and will be compensated with a book deal (money laundering) for his efforts.

  583. Phil says:

    Trump in big trouble according tonight’s just released CNN poll

    Biden 53. Trump 42

  584. Phil says:

    Oh, did I forget to mentions the Party ID was D+10?

    This is CNN.

  585. VictrC says:

    Yes, Joe Biden, who can not speak a complete sentence and who might be the weakest candidate since Dukakis (who kicked his tail in the primary that year) is getting 53% of the vote.

    Yes, Trump, in the middle of a pandemic which over half the country thinks he is handling well, LOSES four percent of the vote he had from the last election.

    Yet the left will eat this up. CNN has literally no credibility left at all

  586. PresidentPaul! says:

    Fed is buying junk bonds and (junk) municipal bonds now also.

    Have a bankrupt chicago pension system?

    no problemo. ETF JNK soared today.

  587. Pitchaboy says:

    Bitter and Jason: practice is in Langhorne

  588. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch- I live in Radnor. Not far at all. It will take more than a day for Jason and his horse to travel from York county.

  589. Pitchaboy says:

    Should catch up once the madness settles. I am Jason’s favorite person: vegetarian

  590. hugh says:

    Good for CNN. Let them eat cake. Biden is toast. Anyone who is not a hardcore progressive knows deep down that Trump not Biden can bring back the economy. When the economy was booming it was easy for suburban women to vote out a jerk like trump. Not so easy now. The only bright spot of this gigantic screw up (total economic shutdown) and virus is trump and the GOP sweep in November.

  591. Country Dick Montana says:

    588 – “For those of you against mandated containment, look at Sweden.”

    First Pitch, thanks for being out there on the front lines and also for the medical commentary during this time.

    The issue is that in the future, how far do we lower the bar before mandated measures become the norm? There will be other diseases coming out of who knows where. Are we prepared to regularly shut down the economy and even abandon some of our civil rights on a regular basis? Are we prepared to put our trust in our Government and the bureaucracy that, let’s face it, enjoys power and has few limits on expanding it.

    Unfortunately now that we have done this once, I see it as happening more and more, until other non-medical or non-natural disaster emergencies require blunt force government measures.

  592. jason says:

    The Worldometer figures look good for Iran, they now have more recoveries than new cases.

    FWIW

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/

  593. Pitchaboy says:

    My comment on Sweden was cautionary. I want their model to succeed because it puts the decision in the people’s hands. Out here it will succeed in the suburbs and not in our large cities for socioeconomic and educational reasons. As it is our cities are stressed, without mandates they would have been disasters. As for the future, this kind of restrictions are needed for the following: respiratory pathogen, high R0 and significant mortality and morbidity that could stress out our medical system

  594. jason says:

    I am Jason’s favorite person: vegetarian”

    I drink exclusively plant based alcohol.

  595. jason says:

    It will take more than a day for Jason and his horse to travel from York county.”

    Sniff, Bitter is always making excuses not to invite me to anything.

    Since I know Bitter is not a racist and has nothing against native South Americans, it has to be class prejudice.

  596. Country Dick Montana says:

    628 – What you advocate is common sense and requires focused measures on specific communities. It requires nuanced measures, which have been discussed here at large.

    I am just looking beyond when this is over, and frankly beyond just the medical/pandemic aspect. Will people willingly continue to accept draconian disruption to their lives and will the reasons for that government ordered disruption be expanded and defined downward?

  597. Country Dick Montana says:

    Jason, a quick question for you.

    If one looks at the number of new cases in the US the rise is pretty much gradual and consistent to about April 4, where it appears to begin leveling off. At the same time, daily deaths are also rising relatively gradually until April 7 where it spikes by over 700 (50%)from the day before, then again levels out or has a small decrease.

    It would seem that deaths should roughly lag the number of cases, yet we did not see that kind of spike in the cases. What do you think may have caused that?

  598. Paul says:

    Biden collapses in recent Fox News poll. Looks like four more years of Trump.

  599. Paul says:

    Looks like today we’ll hit 100,000 deaths worldwide. Media will make hay out of it unnecessarily.

  600. Scooterboy says:

    Jason, GFY !!!! I didn’t get invited either.

  601. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – You can catch a ride with one of Mennonites who come to our farmer’s market on Saturdays. Be ready at 4:00 am in Lititz.

  602. Paul says:

    Do you run into any Dunkers (aka German Baptist or Brethren) out there? That’s my family’s background and the church I grew up in.

  603. Paul says:

    Some of my ancestors arrived in Philly in 1730s and then were baptized with the Conestoga Dunkers outside Lancaster.

  604. jason says:

    632 I see what you mean.

    I don’t really know, but it could be from the fact the stats are not all coming from one area (i.e. NY) Because of the “rolling” effect (different areas peaking at different times) it might be affecting the lag you mention.

    In other words, we would see the pattern you are describing if we only looked at NY, but since other areas are peaking at a different time you won’t see the same effect nationally.

    Hope that makes sense.

  605. jason says:

    Do you run into any Dunkers”

    I think it is spelled Dummkopfs….

  606. jason says:

    Church of the Brethren? There are plenty in York, Lancaster and Cumberland counties.

  607. Hugh says:

    100000 deaths is nothing. If the world keeps this up deep poverty will kill far more.

  608. Phil says:

    The last Fox poll showing Biden up 9 had a party ID of D+9. Their poll yesterday showing a tie had a party ID of 0 – 44% Dem and 44% Republican. So it’s not a Biden collapse. It’s a function of the party ID in the sample. Skew the party ID in the sample and you get a skewed poll result.

    The party ID of the electorate is never going to be D+10 no matter how many BS polls Jeff Zucker at CNN throws out there. They know this. It’s just another form of a hit piece on Trump. The 2016 election was D+3. D+9 or 10 is just a Democratic wet dream and CNN knows it. So does the FOX pollster. Of course, the Party ID in November won’t be dead even like this latest FOX poll either. FOX over corrected in their latest poll.

    The true party ID in November will be around D+3 and we should keep that in mind when we look at these national polls.

  609. jason says:

    Scooterboy says:
    April 10, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Jason, GFY !!!! I didn’t get invited either.”

    Now that wvally is back and Scooter is no longer junior A-hole, he is full of himself.

  610. janz says:

    Interesting party ID details, Phil. Thanks!

  611. Joe J says:

    Gallup found a 30/30/36 split I believe for D/R/I in March. The thing that doesn’t quite add is up is how Biden is around 20 pts ahead among Indies in that Fox Poll. Also registration doesn’t always translate into turnout and Biden faces much more of an enthusiasm gap than Hillary did while Trump’s enthusiasm is solid and rising.

  612. Paul says:

    Dummkopfs 🙂

  613. jason says:

    100000 deaths is nothing”

    Hugh is never going to make it in politics or diplomacy but he could have A-hole potential.

  614. Paul says:

    Got to keep the poll interesting no matter what it takes in order to get more clicks.

  615. Big Joe says:

    Happy Friday, HHR friends:

    No updates on the Chris Murray model for the second day in a row. I did come across a modeling update that they posted on April 5th:

    http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates

    “COVID-19 death model. Our April 5 release involved a number of major methods updates for the IHME COVID-19 death model ([…]). With today’s release, we have incorporated the following updates:

    “We now ensure that draws from the predictive validity uncertainty distributions are correlated over time, a model refinement that generates smoother estimates of uncertainty.”

    —-
    So, this means that even if we see a one day anomalous death figure, the curve itself should not react wildly as it did last week (I think it went from 82K to 93K predicted deaths in one day).

    Good, maybe they were reading my critiques.

    Now if they could just update the model daily…

    Big Joe

  616. Big Joe says:

    #628, Dick-

    “Will people willingly continue to accept draconian disruption to their lives and will the reasons for that government ordered disruption be expanded and defined downward?”

    One of the great things about our system is that the people will decide. I know our electoral process is not all that great due to apathy, money, gerrymandering, [insert partisan reason here], etc .. But ultimately, elected leaders will need to face their voters to retain power.

    Big Joe

  617. Hugh says:

    I think we agree that a more balanced approach of protecting the most vulnerable and keeping more of our economy open made more sense. I totally get the politics that drove us to where we are today. My last comment was not a political one. But it has merit. We go much longer and the loans to make payroll will not matter those employees are losing their jobs anyway. I know a lot about business particularly privately owned businesses. We are running out of time for many companies.

  618. jason says:

    Unfortunately, because the MSM is partisan, corrupt and dishonest, the people don’t have good information on which to “decide”.

    Right now they are being spoon fed a 24/7 diet of garbage on how the government knows what is best for you, just stay at home and don’t worry your little dumb heads about anything.

    That is a much bigger problem than apathy, money or gerrymandering.

  619. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-climbs-to-worlds-second-highest-11586510394?mod=hp_lead_pos1

    This is journalism. These English and literary majors writing the news have no idea about statistics. Unfortunately, given public education, explaining deaths per million while more accurate, will just cause the general public’s eyes to glaze over.

    Put the EU together as one country and they are way ahead of us. in Deaths per million we are #15. Take out NY and we are #21, tied with Germany.

    The WSJ newsroom might as well be HuffPo.

  620. jason says:

    I think the Democrats and the MSM have the following plan.

    Keep the economy shut down as long as possible in order to damage the private sector as much as possible.

    Win the election on the premise that Trump destroyed the economy.

    Implement socialism as the only solution for recovery.

  621. jason says:

    The WSJ newsroom might as well be HuffPo”

    There is no group think more group think than the MSM.

  622. Big Joe says:

    “Unfortunately, because the MSM is partisan, corrupt and dishonest, the people don’t have good information on which to “decide”.”

    Fox News is consistently the top rated news network by far, with the top rated shows. 😀

    It seems most people get their news from Fox.

    Big Joe

  623. Country Dick Montana says:

    651 – “But ultimately, elected leaders will need to face their voters to retain power.”

    And right now 45% of them think socialism and more government is a good thing.

    You are eventually going to get what you want, although for the life of me I don’t know why anyone would want it.

    As for me, I enjoy working and planned on doing it well past retirement age. When the few of us in the private sector are finally overwhelmed by those getting a check from the government, I will just shrug. You will have the power that you desire, but to what end?

  624. Big Joe says:

    CNN, MSNBC, and other non-Fox outlets are out there of course. I’m not sure what their influence is though. They’re ratings are poor.

    Big Joe

  625. Big Joe says:

    “They’re” should be “Their” of course.

  626. Tina says:

    Wh corona virus presser is 1 est.

    Early today because of Good Friday.

  627. janz says:

    #628. Pitch, for openers, I find your posts straightforward and informative. Also, being an active physician gives you both kudos and high credibility.

    I’m an RN, albeit out of the field, who has been following the numbers (globally & stateside) closely. Sweden, while not having mandated containment, seems to be hanging in there probably because of it’s small population and ability of people to personally restrict themselves without mandates in place . Nonetheless, they appear to be incrementally on the brink of ratcheting up a stricter mandated guidance.

    While I understand the public containment measures in larger metropolitan areas – especially the hot spots of N.Y. & NJ areas – I support loosening up rigid lockdowns in states that have relatively low virus numbers. There are approximately 32 states who have under 100 deaths labeled COVID-19. And, of those it sometimes remains to be verified whether it was the virus or another disease/medical condition that was actually responsible for a death. In the meantime there is very little reporting being done on the negative impact to people’s health because of such a large blanket of confinement covering this large country. Consequently, my mainstay question continues to be how appropriate this guidance is for all 50 states, and when does the length of containment become worse for our well being than the virus itself.

  628. dblaikie says:

    We may have some trolls today with the Rasmussen Tracking poll. It went from -6 yesterday to -13 today. There is something going on with this. It doesn’t make sense, indeed it makes the polling organization look bad, to have such swings in a 5 day moving average. Has Rasmussen changed it’s sampling model? By the way this sudden lurch happened last Friday. Until Rasmussen gives an explanation or it begins to act like a 5 day moving average, it needs to be ignored.

  629. Big Joe says:

    #658, Dick-

    “You will have the power that you desire, but to what end?”

    I hope that when you say “you” that you’re not referring to me directly. Yes, I skew left in the HHR Universe. In a liberal group, I have already been told I’m a right wing moron. Basically that tells me that there are two sides in this country that are very far apart.

    I have to put my faith in the people to do the right thing. If we go a certain route, and the results are not good, then we’ll course correct. That’s been the history of this country. I have to believe it will continue.

    Big Joe

  630. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #664- dk
    Rasmussen(less) must enjoy being a contrarian. When other pollsters show Trump in the low 40’s,Ras has him at 50% approval.
    My rough calculations show that in the order of how the days will go off next week, they will first replace a 41%,then 47%, then a 41%(today) approval rating.
    By the way, the Ras roll is 3 days,not 5.

  631. Country Dick Montana says:

    Joe – I am speaking directly to you. At the heart of things, my opinion is that most republican/conservatives want to be left alone and for most part leave others alone (There are exceptions.) People that vote Democrat want others to do what they want them to do, with the government being the cudgel. Conservatives do (or don’t do) good works because they want to. Progressive/liberals think they are doing good works by using the government and forcing other to do them.

    We do agree that as country we are very wide apart, and we do agree that is not a good thing. I have said it before and I will say it again, this does not get resolved until one side subjugates the other. The question is what does that subjugation look like?

    Let’s say that you get your wish with a President Biden and Dem House and Senate. What are the 3 specific policy/law changes that you want from them right off the bat. In other words what is your wish list?

    Faith in the people is fine, but the government and the bureaucracy will not ever give up any power. It never has. Tell me again, besides being able to take 18 year olds and in 12 weeks turn them into trained killers, what does the government do well, and why on earth should we trust it.

  632. Big Joe says:

    #664, Debiase-

    It could be that an outlier made it into the tracker yesterday, or that an outlier (from 4 days ago fell off the tracker). I thought RAS was a 3-day tracker?

    This is why I don’t like trackers. Not only do they have old data, but if they end up with an outlier, it stays on the tracker for a full 3 days. Then you may get a big jump in the opposite direction misleading people into thinking there’s real movement, when it was really just an old outlier falling off the tracker.

    Big Joe

  633. Paul says:

    Country Dick Montana: I think your view that one side has to subjugate the other side is more than a bit extreme. Haven’t we had both sides working together for the past hundred years?

    I sometimes pretend to be a nut (usually due to chemical imbalance), but I still think both sides have some good points. Most of my friends on the left (my church and neighbors) are not the nuts that you imagine. They want capitalism. They want small businesses to do well. But they also want stuff like healthcare for everyone, clean water and affordable education for their kids. Many of my friends on the right want less government control but still want environmental protection, clean water, FDA, some work-related protections, and even a safety-net for when things go bad.

    Point is we aren’t that far apart if you remove the nuts (like myself) that spew stuff from their basements.

  634. Pitchaboy says:

    Janz: once we get on downslope one size will not fit all. The US is like 20 if not 50 “countries “ and the back to work will have to be tailored as such. North East gets more stringent measures as do big cities. States like Montana, Dakotas, ID etc. are a different beast.

  635. Country Dick Montana says:

    669 – Glad to see the sane Paul here today.

    Healthcare for everyone – To my knowledge no one is denied healthcare. Most hospitals have a huge pro bono amount of work done for people who can’t afford it.

    Clean water – The EPA was originally focused on clean water and clean air. It has changed that focus to climate change. Also under the Obama Administration it was used as a means of of controlling property use, i.e. land with a intermitent stream or standing water could be controlled.

    Affordable education – With the amount of government money put into college education, the price of college has far out paced inflation. It has also placed an incredible debt burden on recent graduates. One might reasonable question if the government’s intrusion into higher education has truly made it more affordable.

    FDA – FDA is a necessary evil. It has also killed people with with the very slow pace of getting new drugs to market.

    Safety Net – Since the 30’s there has always been one. The problem is when that safety net becomes a generational way of life. The Problem becomes when that safety net encourages and incentifies the very behaviors (children out of wedlock) that it should be helping. And when that safety net, as it is now, encourages people not to work, because it pays more than working it promotes dependency.

  636. Tina says:

    # of icu admissions in ny state is negative.

    (-17)

    Hospital Ship is still largely empty.

  637. Big Joe says:

    #667, Dick-

    “You will have the power that you desire, but to what end?”

    Well Dick, so you’re saying that if Grampa Joe is elected the next president, I’ll then have the power I desire? That’s news to me. I neither speak for Democrats and the Democratic party sure does not represent me. I’m just a random dude who seems numbers in his head at night and posts about them on a random blog.

    Rather than get into a long academic discussion, its probably more productive to understand where Democrats are coming from. I know its now customary to label anybody with a D next to their name as a Communist, Marxist, etc. That makes it impossible to even start a discussion, but I’ll try. In fairness, head to a liberal blog and you’ll be labeled a Racist so it goes both ways.

    My view is that Democrats also want to be left alone and be allowed to pursue their dreams. They don’t want to be told what to do by the government.

    But Democrats do believe that government can/should be an instrument to protect the common good (Source: Declaration of Independence, 1776). That ALL citizens should have pathway towards life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (Source: Declaration of Independence, 1776), not just those who win the “Survival of the fittest” test.

    My personal view is the government should strive to work for ALL. Sure there will be losers in the game of capitalism, so let’s set up a minimal safety net to get those folks back on their feet and ready to contribute to the country again. Especially if people find themselves down and out through no fault of their own (illness, drunk driver, etc), we as a society should want to get the person back on his/her feet so that he/she can serve the nation again.

    Democrats have more of a sense of “we,” and feel government has a duty to help. Republicans are more individualistic, though still generous (just not via the government).

    The government doesn’t need to be a directing force. Let the system work, but step in minimally when needed. When getting people back on their feet, minimal help is provided so that the incentive is there for the people to come back and contribute to society.

    I think most Republicans and Democrats agree here, the disagreement stems from how much involvement from the government is appropriate. It would be good for leaders to discuss this frankly with a goal of coming to a common understanding. Sadly, the goal has always been to impose your own view, demonize the counter views, attack, and as you say.. subjugate.

    Since the Constitution was signed with weird compromises (3/5th compromise?) and unanswered questions (strict vs loose interpretation), we’ve been in a long cold civil war which once erupted into open warfare 1861-1865. I fear its getting worse.

    Big Joe

  638. Tom says:

    669. Paul – I’ve said something similar for years. I’ve found more often than not, that I want the same things as my liberal friends, we just disagree on the best way to achieve them. I believe the private sector and they want government solutions. Being a lifelong (and now retired) bureaucrat, I’ve observed first hand that more government is simply not the answer.

  639. Victrc says:

    Country – spot on

  640. Tina says:

    Cc gorilla juice

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    ·
    1h
    It’s striking how the panicked rhetoric about the Wuhan coronavirus mirrors the Iraq WMD debate in 2002/2003 and beyond. If you doubt the experts’ WMD claims, it’s because you love Saddam Hussein, or you don’t care if America gets nuked, or you just hate America.

  641. Country Dick Montana says:

    Joe – You can look back on all of my posts and see that have never attacked anyone here as being a communist or socialist, not even when I was attacked. Unlike many conservatives I live in a city (91% of the people here voted for HRC), primarily for the arts, sports, food and general funkiness. Even though I am in a gentrifying neighborhood, we are racially and economically diverse. I mean the house next door is Section 8 (BTW, guess who plays with the 3 kids while mom is stoned.) I think I am in a pretty good position to observe the unintended consequences of “government help”

    The minimal safety net that you advocate has morphed into something larger and more permanent that anyone but Lyndon B. Johnson may have imagined.

    What is the “Common Good.” All citizens theoretically have a pathway towards life, liberty, etc. They are not guaranteed a result, only opportunity.

    Do you consider the ACA minimally stepping in? Really.

    You and I can agree that Democrats want to be left alone and I didn’t say that they didn’t. They simply don’t want to leave others alone and want the government to do that for them.

    Perhaps it won’t get worse. People like me will simply give up and become part of the problem.

  642. Big Joe says:

    #678, Dick-
    “You can look back on all of my posts and see that have never attacked anyone here as being a communist or socialist”

    That was a general statement, not directed at you specifically. Apologies that wasn’t clear.

    Safety net: Like I said, it should be minimal. Just enough to get people back on their feet.

    Common good: Yes I agree that everyone should have the “opportunity.” Some don’t through no fault of their own and government can be a positive force here. Our society benefits if all people feel they have an opportunity. We suffer when people think they have no chance and turn to a life of hopelessness, government dependency, and crime.

    ACA: ACA is very imperfect. I do believe that if people have insurance, that is a good outcome. Yes its true that uninsured people can show up at an ER and be treated. However the ER bill is likely to be much less cost effective than if that person had access to regular check ups and nipped problems in the bud rather than waiting for them to become huge problems. That same person will also generally be more healthy and contribute to society instead of being sickly, needing govt support, then finally going to the ER anyway. Better outcomes for society if folks are insured. Is ACA the way to achieve this? That’s another topic.

    What are your thoughts, Dick? I think we’ll agree that these are very complicated issues. Any solution will be imperfect and have detractors. As long as we agree that our hearts are in the right place, we can go somewhere and try to form that more perfect union. If we are suspicious of each other, then we’ll just end up trying to fight it out and humiliate the other side. By “we”, I’m talking about the people, not me and you.

    Big Joe

  643. Tina says:

    But follow the muh model.

    Laura Ingraham
    @IngrahamAngle
    This is guy who screwed up the original model: Imperial’s Neil Ferguson: “We don’t have a clear exit strategy” http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/04/1586015208000/Imperial-s-Neil-Ferguson—We-don-t-have-a-clear-exit-strategy-/… via
    @FinancialTimes

  644. NYCmike says:

    Big Joe,

    I forget the name of the founding doctor and his clinics, but here in the 5 boros of NYC, probably around 2002 or so, he had set up low cost clinics in many neighborhoods, and it was set up as a subscription service, like $50-$100 a month for primary/”emergency” care. It was a combination of a low-cost plan, with a companion purpose to keep people out of the emergency rooms for things that could be handled in an outpatient facility.

    NY State closed them down as soon as they could. The insurance industry lobbied hard against them, as they were giving poor people options which would keep them from going to the state, which is where the insurance companies were going to get paid to insure poorer people.

    That is how much Democrats, at least in NY State, really care about the poor.

  645. jason says:

    CNN, MSNBC, and other non-Fox outlets are out there of course. I’m not sure what their influence is though. They’re ratings are poor.

    Big Joe”

    Funny, Big Joe, you have a great sense of humor.

    Fox is cable news, the vast majority of Americans get their news from network TV.

    Against Fox, you have not only MSNBC and CNN, but you have PBS, NBC, CNBC, ABC, CBS, ABC.

    Then you have NYT, HUFF POST, USA Today, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, NPR, WAPO, Time, Newsweek, AP, UPI, Reuters you name it, just about EVERY major news outlet and newspaper in the country, all with the same left wing group think.

    To even pretend the American people have any balance in the news they get is a joke.

  646. NYCmike says:

    Country Dick,

    Where you living? In Brooklyn?

  647. NYCmike says:

    “That is how much Democrats, at least in NY State, really care about the poor.”

    -Big Joe,

    When I say “Democrats” in that line, I mean those who get power from that party.

    I do not mean the voters.

    Unfortunately, the voters, who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters, never do seem to put together the competing interests that end up harming those who are less affluent.

  648. VictrC says:

    Big Joe

    Respectfully, the ACA is one of the worst things to happen to this country, economically, in my lifetime, but unfortunately its real effects never get reported

    As a small business owner (bounce between 40-75 employees as needed, most of whom are well paid engineers) I have seen my insurance premiums SOAR since 2015 when the worst part of the ACA kicked in (if you remember, Obama et al had the worst parts of the cost increases put off five years so he would almost be out of office). Because a majority of my staff are engineers they expect “gold” level healthcare and for me to pay for most of it. in 2014, I paid about $350 a monthper person for good healthcare, with a premium plan about $425 a month per person. For families (which I cover) it was about $1000 for a family.

    Today I pay nearly $3000 for some of my older engineers (husband, wife, one child) and the premium per month for lower level coverage is $575 per month, $700 for the better plan.

    It’s crippling. Just crippling and its all because of Obamacare, plain and simple.

    With 50+ people it makes it that I have to temper hiring because of the extra costs (in some engineers with families its an increase of about $18K per year)

    IT will only get worse, the costs for small businesses to hire people, should the Dems gain more power.

  649. jason says:

    Do you consider the ACA minimally stepping in? Really.”

    Really.

    The idea that the ACA was not just a political stunt is ridiculous.

    ACA was just a power grab to socialize one sixth of the economy under the excuse of covering more people.

    It was also an opportunity to dumb down the quality of care for the 85% of Americans who were happy with the healthcare, in order to provide mediocre care to 95%.

    What a great deal!

    Big Joe knows that Obamacare was politics at its worse and it was 100% about ideology, 0% about actually improving health care.

  650. jason says:

    Most of my friends on the left (my church and neighbors) are not the nuts that you imagine. They want capitalism.”

    zzzzzz….

    Name me ONE person in the Democratic leadership in the House or Senate that “wants capitalism”.

  651. NYCmike says:

    Snowing now in western NJ…..WTF is going on!?!?

  652. Country Dick Montana says:

    683 – In Western PA there is only one big city. Ask me how a boy raised in Texas and Oklahoma got here.

  653. Country Dick Montana says:

    697 – Actually they do want a form of capitalism, one over which they have a lot of control (not to mention crony capitalist friends.) Without capitalism there are no taxes and without taxes there are no goodies to spread around for buying votes.

  654. Paul says:

    687, Jason:
    I was simply making the point that my neighbors and fellow church attendees are not that different from any of you even if they are liberal.

    I don’t know anyone in the House or Senate leadership personally. The Democratic politicians that I do know are very supportive of capitalism.

  655. Paul says:

    669 – Glad to see the sane Paul here today.

    Yes, Mr. Montana, I can usually be sane. My sane posts usually get shot down so it is funner to be insane.

  656. jason says:

    I don’t know anyone in the House or Senate leadership personally.”

    LOL

    I didn’t know Hitler personally, but I know he was a Nazi.

  657. Big Joe says:

    #681, NYC Mike-

    Do you happen to know the name of the Doctor or organization? It sounds like the insurance companies did what they needed to do to protect their profits.

    Wasn’t the NY state government split at that time? Pataki was governor, and I think it was in 2018 that Dems finally got the trifecta?

    Big Joe

  658. jason says:

    Without capitalism there are no taxes and without taxes there are no goodies to spread around for buying votes.”

    Naive view, IMO.

    They don’t want capitalism, they want everyone to work for the state and they want to end private enterprise.

    Despite Paul not “knowing them” the Dems in elected power today, at ALL levels, are socialists. Maybe differing degrees, they might not all be hard core like Pelosi and Schumer, but they are socialists.

  659. jason says:

    “I was simply making the point that my neighbors and fellow church attendees are not that different from any of you even if they are liberal.”

    And that point is utter hogwash.

  660. jason says:

    The idea that if you “attend church” if means you are not a socialist is hilarious.

    Remember, Rev. Wright, Obama’s preacher?

    Let’s get real.

  661. jason says:

    Another point about Obamacare.

    Obamacare was not what the Dems wanted. They wanted the public option, the death knell of private insurance. They wanted single payer and full blown socialized medicine.

    Obamacare was a compromise between the 95% of hard core leftists and 3 or 4 so called “moderates” like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson and Lieberman.

    Dems like to pretend it was a compromise between Dems and Reps. It wasn’t. They just couldn’t get the votes for the even more radical proposal because of 3 or 4 holdouts. Obamacare was a compromise between Dems.

  662. DW says:

    “White folks greed runs a world in need!” — Obama’s preacher

  663. jason says:

    I guess Paul has not met her personally either.

    “MI Governor bans travel between residences”

    Another Dem for “capitalism”.

  664. Tina says:

    Excellent presentation by the surgeon general, who has asthma.

  665. jason says:

    Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer issued an executive order that severely restricts travel between residences. She also basically forbade residents from travel to their own summer home. The new rules are the latest updates to the “stay-at-home” order and are among the most restrictive in the nation.”

    Hopefully, this is the kind of political overreach that backfires politically.

  666. jason says:

    MI seems to have a propensity for dingbat female governors.

    Before her they had the Canadian dingbat.

  667. Big Joe says:

    #685, Vic-
    #686, Jason-

    If you re-read what I wrote in #679, I never expressed any kind of support for the ACA. I merely commented on how society would likely benefit if more people were insured vs. not insured. If leaders agree, then what is the next step towards accomplishing this goal? Is it the ACA? Is it tort reform? Is it a public option? Is it Medicare for All? Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines? Combination of these?

    I don’t know what the best solution is. No solution is going to be perfect. Any proposal will be viciously attacked by its detractors. Maybe the best solution is to do nothing. We celebrate a 4-5% unemployment rate, so a case can be made that a certain uninsured rate is OK too.

    I think a bi-partisan task force would be a great idea to study this issue, decide if action is appropriate, and what they recommend.

    Big Joe

  668. Tina says:

    Mi governor went from half Witt to dim witt.

  669. jason says:

    Big Joe, if the Dems really wanted “more people to be insured”, they would have proposed that.

    You don’t need 3000 pages of ideological claptrap for that. You don’t need a monstrous bureaucracy for that. You don’t need to buy Ben Nelson’s vote to get only Democrats to vote yes.

    The Dems didn’t want to insure more people. They wanted to socialize 1/6th of the economy, and this boondoggle was the best they could do for the moment.

  670. jason says:

    I think a bi-partisan task force would be a great idea to study this issue, decide if action is appropriate, and what they recommend.”

    Do you really believe this?

    Do you think Dems would accept anything that is not socialized medicine?

    When asked if they would support free healthcare for illegal aliens, EVERY Dem said yes.

    These people are way beyond “bi partisan task forces”.

  671. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/908081/federal-program-promised-small-businesses-2-million-loans-now-maxing-15000

    Not sure I believe this. I know someone who just had a $89,000 a month small business loan approved by the government that will likely be converted over to a grant after 2.5 months.

  672. Country Dick Montana says:

    “I think a bi-partisan task force would be a great idea to study this issue, decide if action is appropriate, and what they recommend.”

    We have already agreed that we are totally divided. Our leaders are going to do what ever they can to make sure their base is happy. There is no bipartisan anymore. Remember this gem:

    “We won you lost. Get over it.”

  673. Paul says:

    I am afraid the nuts on this blog are causing my temporary sanity to come undone.

    Jason, keep on dividing. Over 50% of Americans have nothing in common with you and there is no need to try to understand them.

    And Mr. Montana, I don’t want to subjugate you. And I don’t think you want to subjugate me. Can we both just exist?

  674. Country Dick Montana says:

    710-Crazy as you are, you have the right to exist. You can do what ever you want as long as you don’t kill, rob or commit any crime against another, or ask them to work on your behalf without paying them.

    If 90% of my friends where I live don’t vote the same as I do, I can certainly allow you to live how you want to.

  675. Big Joe says:

    We interrupt this program for . . .

    Chris Murray model has been updated. Actuals through April 9th have been added. Very small and probably statistically insignificant uptick on total deaths from 60.1k to 61.5k.
    One important thing I’m noticing is that we peak quicker (today, actually), but the drop-off is slower. See “deaths before peak” vs “deaths after peak” below.

    The model is now predicting the following for the US deaths:

    Peak day (TODAY!): 4/10 with approx 1,983 deaths on that day.
    (Previous prediction was 4/12 with approx 2,212 deaths on that day)

    Total deaths: Approx 61,545 with last deaths occurring on Jun 19.
    (Previous prediction: Total deaths approx 60,415, last deaths on Jun 12)

    Approx 18,426 deaths occurring through peak day (April 10) and approx 43,119 deaths occurring after the peak day.

    Date Deaths that day
    4/4/2020 1318 (actual); 1755 (projected)
    4/5/2020 1210 (actual); 1745 (projected)
    4/6/2020 1160 (actual); 1967 (projected)
    4/7/2020 1944 (actual); 2140 (projected)
    4/8/2020 1970 (actual); 1903 (projected)
    4/9/2020 1768 (actual); 2037 (projected)
    4/10/2020 1983 (projected)
    4/11/2020 1907 (projected)
    4/12/2020 1910 (projected)
    4/13/2020 1895 (projected)
    4/14/2020 1863 (projected)
    4/15/2020 1817 (projected)
    4/16/2020 1760 (projected)
    4/17/2020 1697 (projected)
    4/18/2020 1631 (projected)
    4/19/2020 1564 (projected)
    4/20/2020 1498 (projected)
    4/21/2020 1434 (projected)
    4/22/2020 1375 (projected)
    4/23/2020 1319 (projected)
    4/24/2020 1267 (projected)
    4/25/2020 1219 (projected)
    4/26/2020 1174 (projected)
    4/27/2020 1132 (projected)
    4/28/2020 1092 (projected)
    4/29/2020 1053 (projected)
    4/30/2020 1014 (projected)
    5/1/2020 976 (projected)
    5/2/2020 938 (projected)
    5/3/2020 899 (projected)
    5/4/2020 860 (projected)
    5/5/2020 818 (projected)
    5/6/2020 775 (projected)
    5/7/2020 732 (projected)
    5/8/2020 689 (projected)
    5/9/2020 646 (projected)
    5/10/2020 603 (projected)

    Source: https://covid19.healthdata.org/
    I neither endorse nor reject this model. Go Yankees!

    Big Joe

  676. Tina says:

    Shem Horne
    @Shem_Infinite
    ·
    50s
    Yamiche basically attacked Surgeon General Adams for being racist. Dr. Fauci even had to come up and say that there was nothing offensive about what Surgeon General Adams said whatsoever. She is a freaking psychotic moron and she should be banned from the press room.

  677. PresidentPaul! says:

    #712
    Going to the Gun Sale at the Church
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2q_FUOwfl4

  678. Country Dick Montana says:

    715 – Have some respect for the dead.

  679. Big Joe says:

    #707, Jason-

    “Do you think Dems would accept anything that is not socialized medicine?”

    The Democratic primary results would suggest that the answer is yes. There was a clear choice, socialized medicine did not win.

    Big Joe

  680. mRviTO says:

    Meet the Press
    @MeetThePress
    · 1h
    WATCH: Suicide prevention hotline calls spike amid pandemic.

    @PattersonNBC: In Los Angeles, they are “seeing an incredible uptick in the number of calls related to COVID. In February, there were 20 calls or so. That number has increased exponentially … to 1800+.”

    Of course, when Trump suggested this could happen, he got fact checked.

  681. janz says:

    #670 Pitch….thanks for your response. I agree with it.

  682. NYCmike says:

    Big Joe,

    I’ll try and find the story.

    The divided government never came into play, as it was the judicial system which deemed the prescription model used by the clinics to be considered insurance. Then, the insurance industry refused to grant them a license to use their model, as it didn’t include all of the coverage necessary as mandated by the state government.

  683. mRviTO says:

    Andrew Kerr
    @AndrewKerrNC
    ·
    33m
    As WHO chief @DrTedros
    accused Taiwan of stoking racism on Wednesday, the Chinese city of Guangzhou was evicting scores of Africans from their homes in response to online rumors that coronavirus was spreading among the city’s African community.

  684. mRviTO says:

    WAPO: Biden must say it: Trump will get more people killed.

    ………………

    Big deal. All the same people have been saying this since 2015.

  685. janz says:

    #718 just like COVID-19 impacts people with compromised immune systems, so does mandated confinements affect those more who are emotionally fragile, vulnerable to being alone or living without structure, unable to attend support groups, and/or medicated for depression etc.

  686. mRviTO says:

    Benny Johnson has had some epic twitter exchanges with the Chinese bots.

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    You call me a “coward?”
    How are you tweeting when Twitter is illegal for all Chinese people?
    In fact, the Chinese Communist Party will put your countrymen *in jail* if they use Twitter.
    Try tweeting something critical of Chairman Xi.
    See how long you last, bitch.
    Hu is the coward

  687. NYCmike says:

    #724 – freedom finds a way!

    Hopefully @jack won’t ban Benny

  688. NYCmike says:

    More I see what is coming out of DC, that Massie guy was right to demand a full vote.

    NO MORE VOICE VOTES! Make these representatives do their jobs.

    If they are worried about their lives, resign and allow someone to replace them.

  689. SusyQue says:

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    Thank GOD we didn’t listen to Dr. Fuaci and wait a year for clinical trials.
    Thank GOD for President Trump as he has already saved over 1,000,000 American lives just because he mentioned this drug.

    Did you notice — 2 to 3 weeks after the USA, Italy, Spain and France all approved usage of the Trump Miracle Drug Hydroxychloroquine their death rates and hospitalizations have either peaked or are heading down. Thank God we listened to President Trump instead.

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  690. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    688. “Snowing now in western NJ…”

    Its snowing in the Southern California mountains above San Diego and Los Angeles. Two inches of rain last night, and there is flooding. Unseasonably cold this year. This is the latest in a series of major storms that have hit over the last couple of weeks.

    The New York Times has stopped reporting about the permanent drought that has hit California as a result of global warming.

  691. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    727. You post failed to credit Fauci with supporting the off-label use of chloroquine and its derivatives to treat COVID-19. In fact Fauci stated he would prescribe it. Also, credit Fauci with setting up the compassionate use protoccol several decades ago that allowed compassionate use of chloroquine now.

    The European countries have not approved the use of chloroquine, they are awaiting the outcome of clinical trials like in the U.S. before formally approving it. They allow its off-label use like in the United States. French president Macron just visited the doctor who is the strongest advocate for chloroquine use in France, and has been doing the trials.

  692. NYCmike says:

    Reagan: “It’s like protecting your virtue. You need to learn to say “NO.”.

  693. jason says:

    Jason, keep on dividing. Over 50% of Americans have nothing in common with you and there is no need to try to understand them.”

    Yep, and had I lived in Germany in 1935 I would probably have nothing in common with 80% of the population and would not need to understand them.

    I know enough about socialism to know I am not interested in it.

    If that is divisive, so be it, GFY.

  694. jason says:

    The Democratic primary results would suggest that the answer is yes. There was a clear choice, socialized medicine did not win.”

    LOL

    So if Biden wins, Democrats in House and Senate are not going to push for socialized medicine?

    Big Joe, you are a nice guy, but you are sorely deluded about the ideology of today’s Democratic party.

  695. jason says:

    Thank GOD we didn’t listen to Dr. Fuaci and wait a year for clinical trials.”

    Of course, he never said that.

    ssq is so stupid I think she is a bot.

  696. jason says:

    ore I see what is coming out of DC, that Massie guy was right to demand a full vote.”

    NYC never smelled any Paulbot garbage he didn’t think smelled like roses.

  697. NYCmike says:

    Got it.

    jason to ignore what they do in DC because it makes him feel better. Stay in your safe space, A-Hole.

  698. NYCmike says:

    As pointed out in the comments, even back in 1975, Reagan was speaking about the administrative state (aka The Deep State), which has accrued more power than the legislative bodies where it was created.

  699. jason says:

    I don’t like the revised Chris Murray numbers because although we peak earlier, there are still about 900 deaths a day projected for April 30th.

    On the other a slew of hotspots will have zero or close to zero deaths by then.

    CA, MI, NY, LA, NJ, IL.

    PA a week later.

    All these have DEM governors who will probably resist efforts to restart the economy.

    Hopefully the residents will rebel if they do resist.

  700. jason says:

    on the other hand..

  701. jason says:

    jason to ignore what they do in DC because it makes him feel better.”

    Zzzzz….

    You need a Paulbot jerk like Massie to tell you what is going on in DC?

    You really are intellectually deprived.

  702. jason says:

    Reagan was speaking about the administrative state (aka The Deep State)”

    So all the liberal Dems you helped get elected with Mikey Maneuvers are against the “Deep State”, right?

  703. Tina says:

    And our tax dollars fund this person.

    Quote Tweet

    Ian Miles Cheong
    @stillgray
    · 1h
    Yamiche Alcindor, a hack, accuses the US Surgeon General Jerome Adams of being “offensive” for advising people to look out for their “big mama.” He responds that it’s the language he and his family speak.

    Jerome Adams is African American.

  704. Tina says:

    Something to think about.

    The Columbia Bugle Flag of United States
    @ColumbiaBugle
    ·
    7h
    It’s going to really suck when the stay at home orders are lifted and we all finally get to go outside, only to find that Democrats and activist judges released all the criminals and illegal aliens onto the streets.

  705. jason says:

    So much for Big Joe’s deluded theory that socialized medicine “lost”.

    “Within hours of the Sanders announcement, newspapers were reporting that the two camps were in negotiations over which Sanders policies Mr. Biden would need to adopt to get Bernie’s blessing. The New York Times reported that the Biden campaign might begin rolling out these changes as early as this week. Up for discussion: climate, health care and student loans, for starters.”

  706. mRviTO says:

    Philly is dragging people off buses now for not wearing a mask?

  707. jason says:

    “only to find that Democrats and activist judges released all the criminals and illegal aliens onto the streets.”

    Right on schedule, Wolf saw what other Dem Governors are doing and rushed to the TV to announce “me too, me too, I want to release prisoners too”.

    This despite the projection that at most 0.00011% of the PA population will die of COVID-19, there will be 0 shortage of hospital beds, 0 shortage of ICU beds, 0 shortage of ventilators.

    Elections have consequences.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/pennsylvania

  708. Tina says:

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    ·
    1h
    At this point, given the slow growth in hospitalizations, the empty hospitals outside NYC, the striking age gaps in deaths, and the increasing worldwide evidence #SARSCoV2 is more widespread than we realized, the burden must be on people who want to keep the lockdowns in place.

  709. mRviTO says:

    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29
    ·
    1h
    This is pure art. In her first tweet as soon as he said it, she insisted “some will find this language offensive” and by the time she wrote her second tweet suddenly “many” had already “found this language offensive”.

    She discovered those many people awfully quickly.

    (((AG)))
    @AGHamilton29
    For context: Those tweets were 3 minutes apart.

  710. Big Joe says:

    #733, Jason-

    “So if Biden wins, Democrats in House and Senate are not going to push for socialized medicine?”

    I’m sure those Reps and Senators on the really progressive wing of the Dem party will push for it. Most Democrats are against it though. I haven’t followed closely, but it was only The Bern and Warren who advocated for Medicare for All, and even Warren hedged. Others came out forcefully against it. So sure, some could push for it, but I don’t see it going anywhere. The likeliest outcome is the passage of a public option and some minor adjustments to the ACA.

    “Big Joe, you are a nice guy, but you are sorely deluded about the ideology of today’s Democratic party.”

    Thanks Jason, you’re a nice guy too. 😀 Please remember that there are various wings of the party. Crazy things are said during primary season as candidates fight for Dem votes. Same things happened in ’16 with the GOP.

    You lean to the left during the primaries (or right if you’re GOP), and lean to the center during the GE. This truth goes back many many years.

    Big Joe

  711. Tina says:

    Big black eye to comedy and the fib.

    Retweeted

    John Solomon
    @jsolomonReports
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    Breaking: FBI failed to review Steele’s ties to Russians, warned some of dossier was Moscow disinformation

    https://t.co/IkVbs0fTyV?amp=1

  712. mRviTO says:

    Tina, the media is too busy parroting Chinese disinformation to review how they parroted Russian disinformation.

  713. Tina says:

    Vito, the commie Chinese are trying to impact the election more than 40 “Russian” Facebook ads from 2016 ever did.

  714. Big Joe says:

    #744, Jason –

    So much for Big Joe’s deluded theory that socialized medicine “lost”.

    “Within hours of the Sanders announcement, newspapers were reporting that the two camps were in negotiations over which Sanders policies Mr. Biden would need to adopt to get Bernie’s blessing. The New York Times reported that the Biden campaign might begin rolling out these changes as early as this week. Up for discussion: climate, health care and student loans, for starters.”

    —–

    I saw that. I think it’s smart to adopt portions of your competitors’ policies. That’s how you unify after a campaign. I think one of the things being thrown around was to lower the Medicare eligible age to 60. So that will be the bone thrown to the Bros.

    If Grampa all of the sudden announced he was for Medicare for all, well dang that would be a WWE style heel turn 😀 😀 Grampa and The Bern would hug it out while Bernie Bros came out of the audience with steel chairs knocking out the incredulous Clyburn, Pete, Amy, and Warren. That would be exciting actually.

    Big Joe

  715. Paul says:

    Biden is an imperfect and flawed in many ways. But he did avoid pandering a few times during the primaries. He said in December that he’d consider a Republican for a running mate. He also didn’t cave on socialized medicine like some of the others. Both of these things are brought up multiple times by many of my progressive friends who detest Biden.

    I’m sure he pandered in tons of other ways, but he did remain on the centrist course for the most part.

  716. Country Dick Montana says:

    We are still back to the soothing voices telling us that democrats want pretty much the same thing as republicans. I suppose if RESIST doesn’t work then we try this.

    If we are so much alike, and I will direct this to BJ, again, when you get the keys to the kingdom (President, House, Senate) what are the first 3 things that you are going to do differently? why make the change other than Orange Man Bad.

  717. Big Joe says:

    Paul,

    I’m only a casual political observer these days. I watched one debate and a couple of the speeches that followed some of the primaries. I remember Grampa Joe pushing back pretty hard against the Bern when it came to single-payer at the debate. He did not embrace single-payer in any speeches I’ve seen.

    Maybe there are other speeches out there where he’s more bullish on single-payer.

    Big Joe

  718. NYCmike says:

    “You need a Paulbot jerk like Massie to tell you what is going on in DC?”

    -Not at all what I said.

    I know what is going on, which is why I want our government to function the way it was set up.

    We need a Paulbot jerk like Massie to make sure our elected representatives know exactly what is being voted on, and make sure they record who voted for what, none of this voice vote b*llsh*t.

  719. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “President Trump said Friday that he’ll be announcing a new council next week devoted to “opening our country” as the coronavirus lockdown continues. The panel, separate from the Coronavirus Task Force, will be comprised of doctors and business leaders, the president said. The announcement will likely come Tuesday.

    The president said the task force will be broader than just an economic one. He also confirmed that some mayors and governors could be in the group

  720. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-strikes-at-least-2-100-nursing-homes-across-u-s-killing-2-000-residents-11586554096?mod=hp_lead_pos2

    This was always my suspicion and it is probably much greater. Over 10% of US deaths from nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

  721. Big Joe says:

    #755, Dick-

    “If we are so much alike, and I will direct this to BJ, again, when you get the keys to the kingdom (President, House, Senate) what are the first 3 things that you are going to do differently? why make the change other than Orange Man Bad.”

    I’ll 1) Continue to go to work, 2) Provide for my family, 3) Post useless market analysis on HHR. I’ll do a few other things too. What I’m saying is that my life will not change if the Dems sweep into office in November. My life did not change when President Trump was elected. My life did not change with President Obama won his victories. Amazingly, my life was pretty much the same under Bubba, Dubya, Big Bush, Gipper, Carter, and Ford. Basically, the trajectory of my life has not changed depending on who is in power. To the extent that it has changed, correlating that to people in power would be dubious at best.

    “Orange Man Bad” is not a thing with me. If Orange Man is re-elected, I’ll be fine. Life will go on and I won’t lose sleep.

    So let me ask you, Dick. What three things do you think Dems will do first if they win?

    Big Joe

  722. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Michigan Governor Now Tells Home Depot to Shut Down Unnecessary Flooring, Tiles and Garden Centers”

    Do these governors even have this authority to micromanage businesses?

    I hope they are demanding full and upfront reimbursement plus some extra of they are going along with this.

  723. PresidentPaul! says:

    Biden can’t stop pandering.

    These democrat stooges learn this stuff from the SC primary, and then they just slip it in randomly in every context such as stating the coronavirus is racist, etc

  724. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1586553212011.jpg

    Emma Watson refuses to apologize for her new car

  725. jason says:

    Big Joe, watch out for people trying to sell you some almost dry swamp land in Florida.

  726. Paul says:

    #755, “If we are so much alike, and I will direct this to BJ, again, when you get the keys to the kingdom (President, House, Senate) what are the first 3 things that you are going to do differently? why make the change other than Orange Man Bad.”

    This was directed at BJ, but I’ll respond. I do expect most of these will be dismissed, but they are the things I will like to see.

    1: Clean Water Act. Over the years, we have protected not only navigable waters, but those waters which connect to them. The Obama administration codified part of that expansion. Trump has reduced what is protected. I want to go back to the Obama era protection.

    2: ACA. My family purchases insurance through the ACA. I would like the program retained and expanded. Trump through the courts and legislature has tried to dismantle key parts of that. I don’t want him to do that.

    3: Supreme Court. My views align more with the liberal side of the court and I prefer Biden replacing members instead of Trump.

    There, those are the three.

  727. Country Dick Montana says:

    761 – Joe, Joe, Joe. This is becoming a problem. I ask you direct questions and the answers are either some general pablum that never answer the questions or somehow the volley is returned to me with questions of your own.

    BTW, your answer about the 3 things was just cute, you know what I meant. You want change and I am giving you an opportunity to describe it where you and I and anyone else can discuss it. If we are so much the same that shouldn’t be a problem.

    Direct answers to direct questions would be nice.

    I also have done fine since first voting for Richard Nixon, even managing through the booms and busts in my business, market crashes (including 22.5% in one day), 9/11, Asian flu, swine flu, SARS and now COVID. Never really lived in fear of anything and supported our Presidents even the ones for whom I didn’t vote. But I don’t feel so good about it anymore. Even though I have friends that don’t vote the same way I do, I also know people that would gladly put me in a gulag until all of my thought-crimes were gone. That’s the difference.

  728. PresidentPaul! says:

    Emma Watson’s fleet of expensive gas guzzlers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMomY2IsYsk

  729. Big Joe says:

    #765, Jason-

    😀 😀 Thanks for the warning! I like to see the glass half full, keeps my stress level down 🙂

    Big Joe

  730. Country Dick Montana says:

    766 – A man with guts and conviction. Even willing to state why he wants things.

    1. With regard to the Clean Water Act. It placed serious burdens on property owners, especially farmers.

    2. ACA is a more difficult question, with the exception of what it did to those of us who already had good insurance.

    3. I would assume that you prefer a Supreme Court as well as the lower courts that make law as oppose to interpreting it.

  731. jason says:

    What three things do you think Dems will do first if they win?”

    Dick can answer for himself.

    My list:

    1. Raise taxes.
    2. Create more entitlements/invent more benefits someone else has to pay for
    3. Curtail freedoms

    but why stop at 3.

    4. Raise energy prices/increase dependency
    5. Waste trillions on climate change rathole
    6. Hit businesses with job killing regulations
    7. Open borders/sanctuary country
    8. Promote voter fraud by weakening voter ID laws
    9. Increase the role of government/reduce the role of the private sector
    10. Go back to apologizing for America
    11. Go back to legislating from the bench
    12. Weaken the military

    There is a lot more.

  732. Paul says:

    My family are farmers so I can understand the burden. For the most, it is a burden that can be dealt with by being good stewards of the land. I think some guidance toward best practices is helpful and useful.

  733. Paul says:

    That’s a great list, Jason.
    I’m glad we agree on the great things that can be done.

  734. jason says:

    Trump through the courts and legislature has tried to dismantle key parts of that.”

    Hello? Dismantle my ass. He wants to end it. Sh-t can it. Throw it down the garbage chute of History.

    If I could do one thing with a stroke of a pen, I would get rid of this cancer on the country.

  735. jason says:

    My family are farmers so I can understand the burden”

    Zzzzzz.. I bet that is a lie.

    Farmers are self reliant people. They don’t sit around waiting for handouts.

    Your family sounds like a bunch of blood sucking parasites.

  736. Paul says:

    774: Thank you. I was being kind to Trump. Yes, he wants to kill my family’s ability to get insurance.

  737. Paul says:

    So, clearly there is no reason whatsoever that I would want Trump to remain as president.

  738. Tina says:

    “It’s ironic that the Russian collusion narrative was fatally flawed because of Russian disinformation. These footnotes confirm that there was a direct Russian disinformation campaign in 2016, and there were ties between Russian intelligence and a presidential campaign – the Clinton campaign, not Trump’s.”

    https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/fbi-ignored-early-warnings-debunked-anti-trump-dossier-was-russian-disinformation

  739. Big Joe says:

    #767, Dick-

    I’m not avoiding anything. I just don’t want get into an endless discussion like we did last weekend. I’m sure you can extrapolate from my discussion with you where I stand on various issues. As I think Democrats and Republicans aren’t really that far apart, only difference is the extent to which government should intervene in our society. I’ll be to your left of course, but I will not be all the way on the left hanging out with AOC either.

    The three things I want to see happen are all academic. I’m not in the House, Senate, or WH so it’s moot. I’ll live my life as a private citizen. I speak with my vote. I empower my representatives and elected leaders to act on my behalf. If I don’t like what they do, I will speak again with my vote.

    But since you seem to be hung up on these 3 things, I’ll finally bite. I’d love to see an independent bi-partisan commission set up to look into some major issues that we face. 1) Deficits / national debt, 2) Healthcare (access and costs), 3) Environmental concerns. I don’t want the Dems to do anything by themselves. I want bi-partisan solutions.

    I do see that you’re a recent contributor to HHR which is great. I’ve been here since 2006 and I rarely engage in political topics beyond a quick dip here and there. I had my moments a decade ago here, but I mostly don’t engage. The discussion I’ve had with you is probably the most in-depth over the past ten years. So maybe that will help you understand where I come from.

    Your “A man with guts and conviction” comment in #770 is noted and is disappointing.

    Big Joe

  740. jason says:

    I want bi-partisan solutions.”

    I want to win the power ball.

    Name me ONE Dem in the leadership or who ran for President who wanted any “bi partisan” solutions. Don’t bother thinking too much, there aren’t any.

    You probably didn’t watch ONE Dem debate. No, I didn’t either, but I read some excerpts.

  741. Big Joe says:

    “But since you seem to be hung up on these 3 things, I’ll finally bite. I’d love to see an independent bi-partisan commission set up to look into some major issues that we face. 1) Deficits / national debt, 2) Healthcare (access and costs), 3) Environmental concerns. I don’t want the Dems to do anything by themselves. I want bi-partisan solutions.”

    Also social issues. In a capitalistic society, some people make it and some don’t. We should study why so many people feel left behind and feel hopelessness to the point they withdraw from society and end up needing government support.

    Big Joe

  742. Big Joe says:

    #780, Jason-

    “Name me ONE Dem in the leadership or who ran for President who wanted any “bi partisan” solutions. Don’t bother thinking too much, there aren’t any.”

    I can’t but didn’t Biden say he’s consider a Republican VP? Even if any Dem said they’d want a bi-partisan solution, I’m sure it would be met with skepticism.

    On the flip side, I think Republicans have been operating the same way. That’s fine, it’s their prerogative.

    I remember when Obama won in ’08, it seemed the only goal of the GOP was to make him a one term president.

    So both parties are guilty.

    Just illustrates that we have two teams who view the other team as their mortal enemy. Scary times for our country.

    Big Joe

  743. jason says:

    Dems had a great opportunity with Trump, a non-ideological former Democrat who is not a social or fiscal conservative.

    Instead, they opted to try to derail his Presidency from day one with one bogus attack and one charade after another.

    And Big Joe wants to talk about bi-partisanship?

  744. jason says:

    I remember when Obama won in ’08, it seemed the only goal of the GOP was to make him a one term president.”

    Nothing wrong with trying to win the next election.

    But at least Republicans waited until the next election.

    Dems have been trying one coup after another since Trump was elected.

    The contrast is astounding.

  745. jason says:

    We should study why so many people feel left behind and feel hopelessness to the point they withdraw from society and end up needing government support.”

    I have a better idea. Let’s study how many people need government support because government policies instituted by Democrats forced them to.

  746. Big Joe says:

    #784, Jason-

    Yes you are right. I have not had anything good to say about Democrats over the past 3.5 years if you noticed.

    Big Joe

  747. Bitterlaw says:

    So Tina now calls Dr. Fauci a quack. Is she the first recorded case of Fauci Derangement Syndrome?

  748. janz says:

    Jason’s point, regarding how the Dems have been trying to destroy Trump since before he actually entered the Oval Office, is significant. There is no problem with an opposition party trying to get power back after one term. However, the Dems constant harassment of POTUS, 24/7, has stressed and weakened the country, IMO. That’s not ok.

  749. Paul says:

    janz,
    I think both sides have enjoyed the animosity.

  750. janz says:

    Bitter, Dr Fauci’s track record on aids was not exactly impressive, being way off from his predictions. Hugging the Murray Model, too, has proven to show inflated numbers in both contagion and deaths. So, positing discouragement over Dr Fauci doesn’t seem that off base.

  751. Country Dick Montana says:

    My wish list if Trump is re-elected and we get the House and Senate:

    1. With the exception of our Uniformed Military, Courts and Border Patrol, fire about 75% of all federal employees, including the NSA and FBI. Never liked spying on Americans and the FBI can be smaller and leaner and act as a coordinator with the states for interstate crime. Also our DC bureaucrats have been said to be the best and the brightest. Lets turn them to innovate, create jobs and become tax sources instead of tax drains.

    2. Flat income tax, that pays for current expenses. Perhaps a separate tax that is used only to pay down the federal debt.

    3. 90% tax on all college endowments over $10,000,000. to be used to pay back student debt, beginning with those people who satisfied their debt, and working back though those who are paying. Then NEVER, EVER, EVER have the government pay a single $$$ for higher education. Let lenders do it, having the colleges cosign and allow for normal bankruptcy laws to govern.

  752. janz says:

    Paul, the Dems have exploited animosity and “resistance” in a far greater manner than the republicans have

  753. Country Dick Montana says:

    Actually Joe I came here in 2012 during the run up tho the election. After that I kind of went away as politics are not my main interest. But the issues that we are facing now, not just the virus but the after effects of it made me want to come back to a community where I have found sources of information, both good and bad.

    I have tried to engage everyone respectfully. I do not know where you stand on specific issues because you really don’t state them. But I will honor your request to not get into any long discussions with you about them.

  754. janz says:

    That’s a provocative wish list, Montana. I’ll have to think about it. However, hopefully, in the aftermath of this China induced fiasco, we will redress our supply chains, not be dependent on others for vital products and needs, such as pharmaceuticals and components for our electric grid etc. I hope the Dems get their behind whipped, as feedback for their deplorable conduct these past 3 plus years. And, that we can go back to a level of bipartisan civility that helps rather than injures this country.

  755. Paul says:

    792: Since none of those three things are going to happen, why do you continue to support Trump?

  756. Paul says:

    I’ve been here since December of 2003. I’ve had a few different names.

  757. Country Dick Montana says:

    795 – Its a wish list. Has about as much chance of getting enacted as the real CDM has of coming back to life. But one can dream.

  758. Paul says:

    I was first here during Howard Dean’s almost inevitable nomination that was snatched away by a scream.

  759. Country Dick Montana says:

    796 –

    Primarily for the Supreme Court and the lower courts. Also for the desire to make Washington a little less intrusive into our lives.

    I still have never gotten a good answer from anyone as to why Washington needs to be so big and why it has to have an outsized effect on our lives. Pitch said it best above, if you get down to it we really are probably 20 separate countries, although I would make it more like 6 to 8.

  760. jason says:

    Bitter, Dr Fauci’s track record on aids was not exactly impressive, being way off from his predictions. Hugging the Murray Model, too, has proven to show inflated numbers in both contagion and deaths. So, positing discouragement over Dr Fauci doesn’t seem that off base.”

    Repeating this canard over and over doesn’t make it true.

    The Murray Model seems to be working quite well, it is an impressive piece of work, and I don’t see a better model out there. The fact it adjust to new data is not an indictment, it is actually a positive.

    And I beg to disagree, Dr Fauci’s track record is most impressive.

    If Trump gets elected, Dr. Fauci will have a lot to do with it.

  761. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/fearing-hospital-bankruptcy-gov-wolf-offers-450-million-in-loans-to-financially-strapped-institutions/

    I, Governor Wolf have decreed that elective surgeries and most other non-covid related hospital procedures cannot happen. However, we do have this nifty $450 million loan program for those of you struggling due to said decree.

    I am from the Government and I am here to help.

  762. Big Joe says:

    #794, Dick-

    It’s all good, Dick. I actually enjoy your thought provoking questions. Your willingness to hear from someone who you probably won’t agree with is refreshing in this day and age.

    It’s just that I feel like your questions could be topics for a master’s thesis 😀

    I think we agree more than we disagree, not necessarily on policy positions, but more on state of the country, and role of government.

    And on the topic of subjugation.. Ironically, I think subjugation has actually helped keep this country together. I think you refer to an ultimate subjugation where one side finally wins out. But think of it as a temporary subjugation over a period of 2-4 years. Over our history, one side has subjugated the other. The losing side then looks forward to the next election while the winning side moves the country in a certain direction. Then we have an election and another subjugation. Rinse, lather, repeat. I guess this is our future.

    Big Joe

  763. Country Dick Montana says:

    If you think that my questions are topics for a master’s thesis then you should be flattered that I think you capable of answering them.

    On the subject of ultimate subjugation, we are one election away. You asked what I think dens will do:

    1. Legalize and make citizens off all people in this country whether they are hear legally or not. Texas and Florida turn Blue. After that anything goes.

    2. Work very quickly to ban fracing and try to ban fossil fuels. I have had my career, a lot of young men and women will be out of work. If the government were to even consider that, I would just flare or cap well, turn off the pipelines and let them freeze or wonder why the lights don’t come on.

    3. Raise taxes…a lot.

    Later on they will do what California has done, not make guns illegal (except for scary looking black semi-auto rifles) but make ammunition much harder to get. And that is the point where we split. Pretty dystopian, but I never thought that people would be locked in thier houses and unable to go to work.

  764. Paul says:

    You forgot about statehood for P.R.

  765. Paul says:

    806: here not hear

  766. Hello says:

    Hello

  767. Country Dick Montana says:

    807- Not enough states would approve it. Same with DC statehood.

  768. Big Joe says:

    Dick,

    “If you think that my questions are topics for a master’s thesis then you should be flattered that I think you capable of answering them.”

    You know, I hadn’t thought of it that way. I am flattered, thank you. I enjoy engaging with you. Maybe we can keep the topics a little less open ended.

    As for your question of what D’s will do upon a potential win in the House, Senate, and WH. I don’t think it’s all that realistic which is why I resist getting into a hypothetical discussion about it.

    Senate is going to be a very very tough nut to crack for the Democrats. I don’t see how the Democrats can win the Senate unless we have a major blue wave. And even in that scenario, it will likely be a 2 yr Senate reign for the blue team. The Senate is a much more conservative body than the country as a whole, and is poised to become even more so over the next 10 years.

    Therefore, the three items you mentioned in #806 will not happen unless a massive blue wave crests in November.

    Big Joe

  769. jason says:

    I support statehood for PR.

    GFY.

  770. jason says:

    But not for DC.

  771. Country Dick Montana says:

    “Therefore, the three items you mentioned in #806 will not happen unless a massive blue wave crests in November. ”

    Sounds like you concede that is exactly what will happen with the #BLUE.WAVE.COMING. That is why I said that we are only one election away. Sounds like we agree.

    BTW in the Senate, I give Collins less than 50%, Cory Gardener in CO is gone. Doesn’t take much after that.

  772. mRviTO says:

    Another epic slam of the Chinese bots… this time FCC commissioner Carr in a short series of tweets.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1248477894013116416

  773. Country Dick Montana says:

    812 – I didn’t think that PR wanted it.

  774. mRviTO says:

    Here’s that thread unrolled.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1248442812414201866.html

    Good summary of what happens when people have spoken out.

  775. Ron N says:

    Could you imagine the same reaction from the media
    If you changed NY and NJ to OH and FL. They would
    Be hammering the Governors for what had happen in those states. The only difference is D and R.

  776. mRviTO says:

    Democrats are pressuring trump to not block 5 billion in humanitarian aid to Iran.

    I’m sure it was be used for humanitarian purposes like killing Jews and Americans.

  777. mRviTO says:

    818 all the rooting for us to die here in Florida just to dunk on DeSantis hasn’t gone unnoticed, trust me….

  778. Tina says:

    ALX Flag of United States
    @alx
    ·
    1h
    GOV. CUOMO: “Where were the horns that should’ve been triggered back in December and January Where were the warning signs? Who was supposed to blow the whistle? The President has asked this question and I think he’s right.”

  779. Tina says:

    So, comedy enabled Russian disinfo.

    I predicted early on that he did.

    ChuckGrassley
    @ChuckGrassley
    ·
    1h
    These notes beg question of when FBI learned of Russian disinfo in dossier+what did they do about it?? Why did they keep renewing spying authority with this info? What did Mueller know and when? Did we even need Mueller?

    More unmasking to come

  780. Big Joe says:

    #814, Dick-

    “Sounds like you concede that is exactly what will happen with the #BLUE.WAVE.COMING. That is why I said that we are only one election away. Sounds like we agree.”

    No that’s not what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that a blue wave type result will be needed to even begin discussing the topics you brought up. Whether they are passed or even discussed, we really don’t know. Besides there’s still the filibuster in the Senate. It seems a foregone conclusion that Schumer will abolish it but I’m not so sure.

    “BTW in the Senate, I give Collins less than 50%, Cory Gardener in CO is gone. Doesn’t take much after that.”

    Collins is 50/50, we agree on Gardener. But that’s just two seats. Dems still need two more plus the VP. AZ could be an opportunity. I don’t see another opportunity. Best case for Dems is 49-51. However, a blue wave would put NC into play. A lot has been made of Georgia but I don’t see it. Iowa maybe. Montana, doubt it even with Bullock.

    Big Joe

  781. mRviTO says:

    Conversation
    Catherine Herridge
    @CBS_Herridge
    #FISA READ FULL footnote 302 Steele dossier sub-source “According to a document circulated among Crossfire Hurricane team members and supervisors in early October 2016, Person 1 had historical contact with persons and entities suspected of being linked to RIS (Russian Intel)…

    In addition, in late December 2016, Department Attorney Bruce Ohr told SSA 1 that he had met with Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS) and that Simpson had assessed that Person 1 was a RIS (Russian intel) officer who was central in connecting Trump to Russia.” @CBSNews
    #MyHighlighter

  782. Hugh says:

    Hey Big Joe. Susan Collins will win if trump wins.

  783. Tina says:

    A member of the rebel alliance escapes the empire.

    https://twitter.com/IAMISjp/status/1248697625991397376

  784. Big Joe says:

    #825- Hey Hugh, sure that sounds very plausible.

    I can see a scenario where Maine goes Blue at the POTUS level but Collins is re-elected.

    In 2016, Senate and POTUS races aligned perfectly by state. I think they will in 2020 too, with Maine being the only state that could split.

    Big Joe

  785. jason says:

    I am sure the Never Trumpers are just outraged the whole Mueller investigation was based on a load of crap.

  786. Tina says:

    Fallacy loves this

    The Columbia Bugle ??
    @ColumbiaBugle
    · 30m
    Tucker Carlson On “Immunity Cards”

    “Imagine a country where illegal immigrants can work, drive, get welfare, and vote all without a single authentic document meanwhile 300 million legal citizens must produce government papers to prove their right to go outside.”

  787. Hugh says:

    I don’t see this as a big vote splitting election. If trump wins the national election she wins. Period. However in a normal election she might squeak in if trump lost but not this round.

  788. jason says:

    Tucker is an idiot.

    Of course you want to know who is immune.

  789. jason says:

    Worldometer closed out at +2035 deaths today, pretty much in line with the model(1983).

    Hopefully the model is right and tomorrow we start on the other side of the curve.

  790. jason says:

    We are soon going to have hundreds of thousands of recovered people, plus with testing we might identify many more.

    We want these people to get back to work.

    But they can’t do that if people are suspicious or afraid of them.

    So nothing wrong with “immunity cards” Tucker can GFH.

  791. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump trusts Fauci. Tina does not trust Fauci. Why, Tina? Why?

  792. Tina says:

    so, Bl is for immunity papers, just like a good fascist or Ccp?

    Great.

  793. wvally says:

    Will we need to get the virus to be eligible to get our certificate to re-enter society?

  794. Bitterlaw says:

    Did I say that, Tina? You must be drunk early, tonight.

    I have said that restrictions are too tight from the beginning. HOWEVER, I also I could be wrong so I had to give deference to experts.

  795. Bitterlaw says:

    So why does Trump keep him, Tina? Answer the question.

  796. Tina says:

    You should ask him.

    Heck if I know.

    Make sure you turn over your immunity papers, like an obedient soul.

    Also, continue to allow thief’s and illegals on the street.

  797. Bitterlaw says:

    You have gone from making stuff up to boldly lying about me, Tina. Find one post where I advocated for immunity papers or letting thieves and illegals on the streets.

  798. Tina says:

    Why are you defending him no matter what he does?

  799. lisab says:

    just like COVID-19 impacts people with compromised immune systems, so does mandated confinements affect those more who are emotionally fragile, vulnerable to being alone or living without structure, unable to attend support groups, and/or medicated for depression etc.
    ————————–

    corey and robbie are dead men

  800. wvally says:

    The idea of testing for immunity makes sense. I can understand the impulse for certificates, as we are desperate to find any way to break this stranglehold lockdown, and clearly anyone with immunity wont spread it. But it sort of begs the question about where that leaves people who haven’t had it.

    And then you think about chicken pox and small pox, and how people intentionally inoculated themselves. If you’re in a low risk group and healthy, you’d probably rather get the virus now heading into summer, and have the best chance to be one immune without getting too sick, then isolating yourself as infinitum and getting later in the year.

  801. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t defend him as much as I mock you for suffering from Fauci derangement syndrome. I want doctor’s to give their best medical opinion regardless of politics. Fauci does that.

    Last night, I watched a story about a black veteran from WW2. He was just shy of turning 102 when the virus got him. He was a hero both for fighting Hitler and for doing so despite appalling discrimination. He could not be buried with full military honors because that would exceed the restrictions at the number attending the funeral. His large family had to stand at a distance when he was lowered into the ground. I want restrictions to start being rolled back. I want people to go back to work. However, I will not use the word “only” to describe anybody’s death from this disease.

  802. Phil says:

    Question. Is there currently a test available to determine whether an individual has the antibodies to ward off the virus. If so, is it an accurate and practical test? Also, is it ready to go in order to test large numbers of people?

    I’m really not up on this.

  803. Tina says:

    Per the corona virus pressers (dr.brix), there is no such test.

    They are working on one. But t needs to be of very high quality.

    It is not quite ready.

  804. wvally says:

    A few companies are manufacturing them now at max capacity and hundreds more have filed applications that have to be evaluated by the FDA. The test are likely to be used in NYC etc first

  805. mRviTO says:

    Anyone who goes to church in Kentucky for Easter will have their license plates recorded and then be forced into 14 day quarantine.

    Louisville and other jurisdictions are applying this even to drive in services.

  806. jason says:

    “Papers” is an attempt to make this what it isn’t.

    Nothing wrong in trying to get as many people back to work as fast as possible.

    An immunity card would certainly help.

    Nobody is going to make Tina wear a yellow C on her clothing.

  807. jason says:

    I hear hookers in Las Vegas will give guys with immunity cards a 50% discount.

  808. wvally says:

    I wouldn’t disagree jason but if we go down that path then we should acknowledge that getting the virus is a pathway to employment to those who’ve been locked out of their jobs.

  809. jason says:

    Anyone who goes to church in Kentucky for Easter will have their license plates recorded and then be forced into 14 day quarantine.

    Louisville and other jurisdictions are applying this even to drive in services.”

    How many cops are they going to need to enforce all this? Or will they be giving snitches a bounty?

  810. Tina says:

    Let’s see how the Rinos feel when it is requested thst an illegal gets an imm7nity card.

  811. VictrC says:

    Bitter. I think Tina confused you with Jason regarding the certificates.

    Jason, i can see the reason, as a concept, but once rolled out that “certificate system” would be used for so many other things by the left. Well except for voting or immigration status.

  812. wvally says:

    Lol I was referring to 851 I haven’t heard anything about hookers in Vegas.

  813. Tina says:

    Stacey abrams will be honored to be China Biden’s veep pick.

    I wonder if the black panthers come along for the ride.

  814. jason says:

    I wouldn’t disagree jason but if we go down that path then we should acknowledge that getting the virus is a pathway to employment to those who’ve been locked out of their jobs.”

    Well, there could be a stipulation that you can only use the card to go back to your own job.

  815. Tina says:

    Dimwit allows people to shop.

    But not for planting seeds and tile.

    This makes a lot of sense to the governor, who admitted that she did not know that she “needed” to declare a disaster to be entitled to assistance.

  816. Tina says:

    I think these Marxist governors are not gonna reopens even partially.

    They have agendas.

    People need to file lawsuits to stop the madness.

  817. Tina says:

    It is that or people are going to rebel and uprise.

  818. Tina says:

    She is a wacko.

    Peoples_Pundit
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    2h
    Michigan
    @GovWhitmer
    has lost her mind.

    In addition to garden centers, she banned the purchase of car seats for children, too. Now, travel “between residences”.

    This has become a civil rights issue. Does
    @realDonaldTrump
    want to carry the state again?

  819. jason says:

    et’s see how the Rinos feel when it is requested thst an illegal gets an imm7nity card.”

    And the problem with an illegal having an immunity card is what exactly?

    They are still illegals except that they might be immune to Covid-19.

  820. jason says:

    I hope Biden picks this wacko as VP.

  821. VictrC says:

    Which of the Whackos Jason

    Abrams – a gift. She couldn’t carry her own state in an off year

    Harris – just run ads with her from the Kavanaugh hearing over and over again

    Whitmer – lightweight, not sure she’d even help carry MI

    Cortez-Matos (sic) from Nevada – don’t think she adds anything

    Warren – I think this might be the darkhorse to get Bernie Bro’s but she turns off so many. Don’t know about suburban women

  822. lisab says:

    ummmmmmmm … will everyone have to get immunity papers

    or will some groups not have to have them?

    why don’t we mae the immunity papers voter id? how about that?

  823. lisab says:

    Country Dick Montana,

    my three things would be

    a.) balanced budget amendment

    b.) line item veto

    c.) no increase in federal taxes, fees, fines or payments of any kind without a 67% vote in the house

  824. lisab says:

    Country Dick Montana,

    what bothers me about the democrats is that it is not enough they want to do something

    they want to force me to do something.

    if massachusetts wants to have romneycare … fine … i am all for that.

    if boston doesn’t want chik fil a, fine … i am all for that

    but when they say everybody has to have obamacare and climate change taxes and regulations and very high taxes etc. — i am against it

    don’t tread on me

  825. lisab says:

    the reason the dems wanted obamacare is that the blue states wanted romneycare

    but they were already losing population to low tax red states

    soooooooo

    they made everyone get it

  826. lisab says:

    It will take more than a day for Jason and his horse to travel from York county.”
    —————————-

    don’t you mean llama

    https://www.dawntoduskllamas.com/

  827. wvally says:

    It’s interesting to me that the few women who post on HHR are all essentially civil libertarians.

  828. lisab says:

    actually i am more of a classical liberal

  829. wvally says:

    That’s semantics in these times

  830. lisab says:

    Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. …

    Notable liberal individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo. It drew on classical economics, especially the economic ideas as espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] progress[6] and utilitarianism.[7]

  831. janz says:

    Los Angeles has extended it’s lock down to May 15th, originally meant to end April 19th. Gov. Newsom seems to follow LA’s lead, and so will not be surprised if the whole state of CA remains in a shelter in place mode. These cautionary measures, despite the relative low number of COVID-19 cases and deaths for a state having a 38+ million population. It’s going to kill the economy here, along with thousands of livelihoods.

  832. lisab says:

    libertarianism is a political ideology based on legalized marijuana

    notable libertarians include cheech and chong and … ummmmmmmm … where are the doritos?

  833. wvally says:

    I wonder if dispensaries are being considered “essential services”

  834. janz says:

    Dr Fauci’s career was elevated during the HIV scare. During this time fears were ginned up, predictions of death were made that never manifested, and tons of money were spent to find an antiviral remedy, while other diseases like heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc. were ignored.

    The goal of Fauci was to treat everyone universally, much like what they want to do with the current virus, where he has suggested immunity papers or even microchip tracking. In fact when you pair HIV with COVID-19, there are many similarities – generated fears, inaccurate predictions of spread and infection, lots of press, and of course Fauci heading the show and making a legacy for himself.

    I’m simply not as stoked by this man’s titles, awards like so many others seem to be.

  835. lisab says:

    I wonder if dispensaries are being considered “essential services”
    ——————

    in massachusetts they are

    and they are owned by very well connected people

  836. John says:

    Breaking news…
    Boeing just announced that 2500 employees will be returning to work in Renton, Everett and Moses Lake (Washington state) starting Monday.
    https://www.king5.com/article/tech/science/aerospace/boeing/boeing-coronavirus-resuming-operations-next-week-737-max/281-0e60483f-58cf-468b-8ee8-90d95fbdbcb2

  837. mRviTO says:

    Whitmer’s latest round of restrictions seems to be getting blasted all over…

  838. janz says:

    Dispensaries are treated differently in each state, dealing with being called “essential.” Here in CA they are “essential,” as I suppose it would be in other places where marijuana has been legalized.

    John, I’m glad to see Boeing is seeing the way for their employees to return to work.

  839. janz says:

    It seems that democrat governors, like Whitmer, are more inclined to keep their states in suspension, than Republican ones. For instance, the TX governor is planning on opening his state up soon. Like has been suggested, it seems if one would start with the less impacted counties in a state first, lifting lock downs there, and then gradually initiating it in other areas, this would at least slowly open things up, restoring some livelihoods.

  840. mRviTO says:

    Some Democrats seem to be using this as a trial run to see what they can get us to do if they can only convince us of our impending doom from the climate emergency.

  841. wvally says:

    Or maybe the climate emergency didn’t sell so they’re gonna ride this for all it’s worth

  842. Ben says:

    Hi there guys

  843. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    If the spread of the virus levels off sufficiently, believe some European countries and U.S. states will start removing some of their quarantine restrictions. If this does not result in a further outbreak, then I believe residents of other states like California and Michigan will demand the their restrictions be removed.

    People are facing financial ruin, and are getting tired of living under quarantine. Trump is apparently now developing a plan, with the help of newly forming task force, to do it.

  844. Wobbles says:

    I would rather talk about Stormy.

  845. jason says:

    Thanks Benny, well done.

  846. jason says:

    It will take more than a day for Jason and his horse to travel from York county.”
    —————————-

    don’t you mean llama”

    I don’t ride llamas. I mean, huh, .. never mind.

  847. jason says:

    The most telling exchange yesterday between those that believe in free enterprise and personal responsibility and those that believe in government to run just about every aspect of their lives.

    “Name me ONE person in the Democratic leadership in the House or Senate that “wants capitalism”.

    answer

    “I don’t know anyone in the House or Senate leadership personally”

  848. jason says:

    NYT finally addresses the 800-lb gorilla, albeit mildly.

    “For many days after the first positive test, as the coronavirus silently spread throughout the New York region, Mr. Cuomo, Mr. de Blasio and their top aides projected an unswerving confidence that the outbreak would be readily contained,” the Times reports.

  849. jason says:

    The WAPO is worried the lockdown will not last forever.

    “Behind closed doors, President Trump — concerned with the sagging economy — has sought a strategy for resuming business activity by May 1, according to people familiar with the discussions,” the Post reported Thursday.

    “In phone calls with outside advisers, Trump has even floated trying to reopen much of the country before the end of this month, when the current federal recommendations to avoid social gatherings and work from home expire, the people said,” the Post reports. “Trump regularly looks at unemployment and stock market numbers, complaining that they are hurting his presidency and reelection prospects, the people said.”

    But then they basically admit this is fake news.

    While the Post is relying on its unnamed sources about what Trump is doing behind the scenes, what he is doing in public is clear enough: He has repeatedly expressed a desire to reopen the country as quickly as is safely possible, based on the advice of the nation’s top health experts who are informing the Coronavirus Task Force.

    As The Daily Wire reported, one of the key members of that task force, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CBS on Thursday that because of the “very good job” the nation is doing on social distancing measures, it is now “very likely” that by the end of the 30-day nationwide lockdown, we will be taking important steps toward “normalization” and, by summer, will have taken “many steps in that direction”

    So in the end we get back to the truth instead of unnamed sources;

    “Based on the advice of the nation’s top health experts.”

  850. Wes says:

    Joe, I like you and think you’re a valuable poster, but your comment about how Republicans wanted to make Obama a one termer is naive. Of course Republicans wanted Obama to serve only one term. They also wanted Wilson, Roosevelt, Carter, and Clinton to serve one term.

    Meanwhile, Democrats wanted Taft, Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Reagan, GWB, and GHWB to serve only one term as well.

    However, Democrats became so unhinged after Trump had the audacity to beat Hillary they literally spent the next three years finding ANY pretext to remove him from office on. They actually had an impeachment vote on a measure introduced by Al Green (D-TX) that lost because of its spurious nature but nonetheless served as a test for the later impeachment articles.

    They finally found something they could vaguely twist into a basis for impeachment and ran with it. Their shenanigans during and after the proceedings indicated they knew they had a weak case but couldn’t find anything better. They just wanted Trump gone at any cost and were willing to use any slightest thing at their disposal to accomplish that end.

    I don’t know if you’re going to bring up the Clinton impeachment, but I have routinely said that was a stupid, shortsighted, pointless act that only empowered Clinton and defeated itself by prodding Clinton’s supporters to the polls in 1998. I would have thought Newt Gingrich would have been a savvier Pol than to go after Clinton on something that could easily boomerang against the GOP. I would have been wrong.

    Anyway, Democrats other than Colin Petersen (D-MN)—a Yellow Dog labor Democrat on increasingly borrowed time as his district shifts out from under him—aren’t interested in bipartisanship but in destroying the GOP. That couldn’t have been more apparent than when they tried to load corona relief with a grab bag of goodies for their interest groups and demagogue the GOP Senate for their own obstructionism—only to capitulate when Republicans fought back and hammered them on the reality of the situation.

    The days of the Gingrich-Clinton bipartisanship that actually produced tangible results for the country from 1995 to 1998 are long gone. Both parties are increasingly insular and unwilling to work together. The Democrats are far more shrill and demagogic than the Republicans though. That gives Republicans no motivation to try to find common ground.

    Any thoughts of bipartisanship in the current political climate are, to quote Robert E. Howard “dreams and ghosts and smoke.”

  851. Cash Cow TM says:

    well, it is Easter time…and that means it is time for some swarms of tornadoes and earthquakes.

    I predict both will soon happen.

    Also, the results from last Tuesday’s WICO Primary elections will be announced this coming Tuesday.
    Interested in seeing the turnout…and results.

  852. jason says:

    On May 1, Trump should tell the states that are at zero or close to zero on new deaths that they can reopen businesses subject to social distancing and some restrictions on gatherings beyond a certain number.

    The R governors will certainly follow the recommendation, and it will put pressure on the Dems to do so also.

  853. Cash Cow TM says:

    ShoulD be WISCO PRIMARY ELECTION

  854. Phil says:

    Democrats plan in 2016 to win in November with a clearly not all there Joe Biden?

    Simple. Use the crisis to demand mail in balloting nationally….weakens voter ID. And, of course, ballot harvesting completely finishes the GOP..

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

  855. Phil says:

    Make that 2020.

  856. jason says:

    Yeah, I found Big Joe’s false equivalency on the way Obama was treated vs. Trump very naive too.

    Imagine if Trump had used the IRS for political purposes to silence liberal organizations. That was not “Steele Dossier” BS, it was actually verified.

    Imagine if Trump engaged in secret negotiations with North Korea, signed a treaty that included giving them tens of billions of dollars, and then called it an “agreement” in order to bypass the Senate.

    Imagine if Trump had been involved in an international gun running operation that put thousands of guns in the hands of Mexican criminal gangs and then his AG was held in contempt of Congress.

  857. jason says:

    Make that 2020.”

    It’s ok Phil, Biden doesn’t know what year it is either.

  858. jason says:

    Where is Roadkill Maggot?

    I know, tough week, millions didn’t die, the stock market didn’t melt down….

    Well, maybe next week there will be some really bad news he can land on.

  859. jason says:

    Texas (actually behind the CA curve)

    “Abbott held a press conference Friday to announce a forthcoming executive order that sets guidelines for how businesses can begin to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic. “Next week, I will be providing an executive order talking about what will be done in Texas about reopening Texas businesses,” Abbott said Friday, saying economic activity can resume “in a way that will be safe for that economic revitalization.”

    “We will focus on protecting lives while restoring livelihoods. We can and we must do this,” said Abbott.

    CA

    Los Angeles County health officials warned Friday that the region needs to significantly increase social distancing to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus and that stay-at-home restrictions could remain into the summer.

    Even with the dramatic social distancing the county is now seeing, officials forecast that up to 30% of residents could be infected by mid-summer without more behavioral changes, such as reducing shopping trips.

    As a result, Los Angeles County is extending the stay-at-home order for California’s most populous county through at least May 15.”

  860. jason says:

    California curve, only 10 deaths a day on May 1, zero on May 12.

    But lets keep the state closed down into the summer.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california

  861. dblaikie says:

    897 Wes, good post!

  862. dblaikie says:

    Abbott is great Gov. Texas is lucky to have him at the helm at this time. As I have mentioned in earlier posts this is going to be like falling dominoes. Govs like Abbott in Texas and DeSantis are going to open up sooner rather later. When that happens watch the dominoes start to fall. And if that happens it will give Trump cover about loosening the CDC guidelines on May 1.

    It will be an interesting two weeks where the political divide will be between opening or staying in shelter.

  863. Tina says:

    It’s way past time for Durham to arrest these people.

    Conspiracy

    Entrapment

    Civil rights violations

    Lying to Congress.

    (Let the smart lawyers figure out the exact charges)

    Catherine Herridge
    @CBS_Herridge
    · 35m
    #FISA Footnotes in watchdog report indicate FBI knew risk of Russian disinformation in Steele dossier, warnings got more specific over time. Dossier still used for surveillance warrants @carterwpage Full write up @CBSNews http://cbsnews.com/news/footnotes-in-watchdog-report-indicate-fbi-knew-of-risk-of-russian-disinformation-in-the-steele-dossier/

  864. Tina says:

    He has down well during the crisis. Maybe, Ca got lucky with the timely travel ban or the “disease” hit us last winter, as some “experts” suggest.

    Lou Dobbs
    @LouDobbs
    ·
    2h
    Newsom: Trump Has Met ‘Every Single Direct Request That He Was Capable of Meeting‘ https://breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/10/newsom-trump-has-met-every-single-direct-request-that-he-was-capable-of-meeting/… #KAG
    @realDonaldTrump
    #AmericaFirst #Dobbs

  865. Ron N says:

    It’s all president Trump fault for not having a national lock down. Now the media changes and he can’t make states open up it’s up to each state. Can the media every get there story straight.

  866. janz says:

    #906 & #907 TX is a better place to live, when considering one’s livelihood health than CA is.

    Some interesting facts and data, separate from the pandemic numbers we are greeted with daily:

    1) An additional $13,000 is paid by Medicare for each COVID-19 pt. diagnosed.

    2) An additional $39,000:is paid out for every COVID-19 pt. put on a ventilator.

    3) Normal percentage of deaths is between 40% – 50% for people on ventilators. NYC is reporting an 80% death rate during this virus crisis. Some NYC physicians are speaking out and questioning the use of ventilation for all ARDS symptoms, positing it might be unintentionally stressing and killing some people.

    4) Physicians can sign death certificates by assuming COVID-19 was the cause of death, without even testing to verify that the pt. even had the virus.

    5) Finally, some perspective: so far almost 19,000 US deaths have been recorded as COVID-19 deaths. Annually, there are approximately 600,000 deaths attributed to heart disease. Drug overdoses have reached a number of 70,000. Statistically there are numerous other maladies having higher death rates associated with them. It bears at least some questioning as to the reasonableness of the draconian measures being applied to this current public health crisis.

  867. Tina says:

    Maher is speaking the truth here:

    Quote Tweet

    TheWrap
    @TheWrap
    · 11h
    Bill Maher Says Coronavirus Should Be Called the ‘Chinese Virus’: ‘We Should Blame China’ https://thewrap.com/bill-maher-says-coronavirus-should-be-called-the-chinese-virus-we-should-blame-china/

  868. Country Dick Montana says:

    So the Democrat Kentucky governor is going to take license plate numbers and force quarantine on churchgoers. Isn’t this the same guy who set up a “snitch line” for neighbors to spy on neighbors?

    About time for some full scale civil disobedience. We don’t suspend the Constitution even for a pandemic.

  869. Tgca says:

    Happy Easter Eve

  870. mRviTO says:

    903 imagine if Mike Pompeo did even 1/10th of what Hillary did and Trump knew about it like Obama clearly did

  871. mRviTO says:

    Does the MSM have some kind of weird pact with Mitch whereby they pretend to attack him while actually making him sound as awesome as possible?

    MSNBC
    @MSNBC
    · 6h
    Sen. Van Hollen says it’s “disappointing but not surprising that Mitch McConnell would try to pull a fast one” in attempting to add $250B in small business aid to the coronavirus relief bill.
    https://on.msnbc.com/39WMbul

  872. Big Joe says:

    #897, Wes-
    #903, Jason-

    I appreciate the respectful comments. I think you guys caught the tail end of a longer exchange between me and Dick.

    Dick kept pressing me to name 3 things I would like to see the Dems do if they won the WH, Senate and House. I initially resisted because I didn’t want to go down a rabbit hole as I’m sure a much larger discussion would spawn out of it, plus I don’t think its that realistic a scenario as Dems are not taking the Senate.

    Finally, I offered three items and I ended my remarks with a statement that I don’t want Dems to go at it alone and I want bi-partisan solutions.

    Jason then pointed out that the Dems would not be interested in GOP help. I agreed and added that the vice versa was also true, using President Obama’s time in office as an example.

    My point being that both parties are guilty. I stand by that point and from your responses, you both agree.

    Now, is one party guiltier than the other. I don’t really care. If the suggestion is that I agree with the Democrats’ obstruction over the last 3.5 years and disagree with GOP obstruction during the Age of Obama (or even Clinton’s impeachment), well that’s not true at all. I have not had a single positive thing to say about the Democrats over the last 3.5 years.

    As I’ve already said, I want the parties to work together. I know that’s naive and I know its not going to happen. But that is my hope. I can’t help it, call it a personality flaw.

    I hope that clears things up.

    Big Joe

  873. Paul says:

    Phil,
    The only time voter fraud through ballot harvesting has happened is at the hands of republicans.

  874. Paul says:

    I’d be happy with a Biden/Kasich administration. I know most other Dems would detest the idea. Not going to happen. But, I’d be happy with it.

  875. Phil says:

    You might want to get San Diego Citizen to give you a little history lesson of what happened in Orange County, California in the 2018 election. Democrats had made ballot harvesting in that state legal. It is what they have in mind for the country nationwide.

  876. wvally says:

    There’s really no reasoning with brainwashed people.

  877. Big Joe says:

    From http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates

    “OUR NEW PRODUCTION SCHEDULE
    As of today IHME will be publishing its updated COVID-19 projections three times per week. Our ambition to produce daily updates has proven to be unrealistic given the relative size of our team and the effort required to fully process, review, and vet large amounts of data alongside implementing model updates. Our next set of results will be published on Monday, April 13.”

    Big Joe

  878. mRviTO says:

    So if an illegal immigrant votes in a sanctuary city, what exactly would happen?

  879. janz says:

    Phil you are absolutely correct about ballot harvesting in CA. Right before Gov Brown left office in 2016, he made ballot harvesting legal. So, when the midterms rolled around it’s speculated anywhere from 5 to 7 more conservative CDs were impacted, switching at the last minute by ballots suddenly appearing, to democrat.

    OTOH, when it was discovered that a Republican, Mark Harris, had a worker “illegally” collecting ballots in the same manner, his win was invalidated and his seat was decided by a special election.

  880. Bitterlaw says:

    In Philadelphia, the most notable election fraud is in Democrat primaries. Since Democrats hold a 7-1 edge (really probably 10-1 since independents there are really Dems), they don’t need to cheat in local general elections. Except 1 mayor’s race in the 1990’s.

  881. Paul says:

    There’s nothing wrong with so-called legal ‘ballot harvesting’ where no votes are switched. The problem is the fraudulent kind that the Republicans engage in where Democratic votes are switched to republican. Apparently some people are clueless.

  882. Paul says:

    And what despicable turd, wvally doesn’t understand is that the term ‘ballot harvesting’ doesn’t even apply to what is done legally. Clueless twit.

  883. Scooterboy says:

    I’ve been reading some of the posts slamming Dr. Fauci. It really comes down to this. Either…..
    1. Trump obviously thinks you are all full of chit, or else he wouldn’t be risking his chance of re-election ,keeping Dr. Fauci in his current position.
    2. Trump is a stupid incompetent Bastard for keeping someone as incompetent as Fauci , in his current position.

    Seems to me it has to be one or the other.

  884. jason says:

    Paul is saying it is ok for Dems to steal elections but if Republican ever tried it would be bad.

  885. Paul says:

    I don’t see how keeping Dr. Fauci hurts Trump. Can someone explain how it hurts his reelection?

  886. Paul says:

    Jason,
    I’m saying that what is referred to as “ballot harvesting” is perfectly legal in many states including Ohio. There is nothing fraudulent in that. However, in one Republican race fraud was used through the process of ballot harvesting. Perhaps fraud has been committed by Dems as well. Please give me links to those instances.

  887. jason says:

    My view is that without Fauci Trump would have been toast in November.

    He has given gravitas and credence to Trump’s pressers, which without Fauci and Birx would have been viewed as mere propaganda by more of the public.

    Plus I think he has given Trump good advice and political cover.

  888. Hugh says:

    If you want to look there were a number of them listed in I think gateway pundit. I’m to lazy to go find them.

  889. jason says:

    Perhaps fraud has been committed by Dems as well”

    Zzzzzz…

    Democrats have stolen dozens of elections. Examples are a dime a dozen. Ballot harvesting was just one issue. Dead people. Illegals. “Phantom ballots” like in the MN senate race and the WA Gov race.

    If you are a Republican and don’t win beyond the MOF you are screwed.

  890. Tina says:

    And more fascists here. Send more police to shut down drive through church services and let criminals out.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1249019585887698945

  891. Paul says:

    I was incorrect about Ohio. I have a friend who had been working on getting absentee votes for the primary and I thought it was collecting votes. I was mistaken. My friend was collecting and turning in absentee voter applications.

  892. jason says:

    So the Gov of KY, who won by 5000 votes because he ran against a Paulbot moron now thinks he has a mandate to persecute religious people?

    Elections have consequences.

  893. jason says:

    We are screwed.

    Paul’s “friend” is collecting and turning in absentee voter applications.

  894. Paul says:

    936: I agree with Jason 100%!!

  895. Scooterboy says:

    I also agree with 936.

  896. Paul says:

    Time for all mail-in voting for Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Maybe throw in Florida for kicks.

  897. Tina says:

    #1 Russian Hoaxer and Scam Artist:

    Adam Schiff
    @RepAdamSchiff
    · 2h
    Cravenly, Attorney General Bill Barr backs Trump on:

    Firing an Inspector General for properly notifying Congress,

    Promoting Russia investigation conspiracy theories,

    And prosecuting Trump’s enemies.

    The worst President in history has the worst Attorney General in history. https://twitter.com/adamgoldmannyt/status/1248714743315140609

  898. wvally says:

    Damn Tina in your link in 940 there is a picture downthread of a seed display taped off in a Michigan store so that people can’t buy the seeds. I’d heard about her closing the garden centers but to see seeds taped off in a general purpose store when people are lined up at food banks—it’s just bizarre.

  899. Tina says:

    I think she banned buckets too, wvally.

    She is a maniac.

  900. jason says:

    “Promoting Russia investigation conspiracy theories”

    LOL

  901. Phil says:

    Yeah, might as well steal Florida too….for kicks of course. Might be a little difficult with a Republican Governor and R legislature but, hey, maybe Chuck and Nancy can get it passed nationally. LOL

  902. jason says:

    ime for all mail-in voting for Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Maybe throw in Florida for kicks.”

    Translation: we want to make sure we can steal the election, let’s not chance it with actual voters.

  903. jason says:

    Since all these states have R legislatures, the Dems will probably have to wait awhile before they steal the elections without any chance of being caught.

  904. Tina says:

    Why is it an issue with the Mi Beotch Governor if a homeowner decides to buy paint and paint a bathroom?

    Hopefully, courts strike this sheot down, or civil disobedience will erupt.

  905. janz says:

    Paul, making a voting practice “legal” does not make it the right way to execute an accurate, non-fraudulent voting system. As far as I know CA is the only state where ballot harvesting has become legal. It’s also one more ploy, in a long lineage of troublesome tactics, put into place by CA democrats creating no end of questionable votes being counted here.

  906. jason says:

    This woman is really a nutjob..AOC.

    “Corona, Queens is the most heavily COVID-impacted zip code in America. I can tell you 1st hand that many ppl are too scared to go to the hospital & continue to work bc of Trump’s xenophobic COVID response.”

  907. Paul says:

    If it is legal, why would one not do it.

  908. Paul says:

    Jason, the despicable turd, doesn’t trust democracy.

  909. janz says:

    Tina, I somehow doubt too much civil disobedience will be provoked, considering how obedient people have been in following the current guidance, with only a handful questioning the merits of the models providing validation for the extreme measures being called for.

  910. Paul says:

    In the Socialist State of Illinois, we can buy seeds and potting soil.

  911. Tina says:

    Janz,

    This is the preferred method:

    Philmonger
    @phillipmbailey
    ·
    44m
    JUST IN: Judge Justin Walker grants temporary restraining order against
    @louisvillemayor
    Greg Fischer’s drive-in church ban on behalf of On Fire Christian Center, Inc. https://courier-journal.com
    #Louisville #COVID19 #coronavirus

  912. Dylan says:

    Why do Dems have the advantage with ballot harvesting in states where that is legal? It seems like it’s an organizational thing that GOP can gear up for and be competitive themselves

    No?

  913. Dylan says:

    Seems like the obvious plan now for blue state governors and mayors is to keep the country closed indefinitely They want the system to crash What better way than to just keep extending the shelter in place in the name of public safety basically forever…….its such an obvious tactic

  914. janz says:

    Making something “legal” sanctions it by governmental decree, a legal thumbs up that is oftentimes politically motivated. However, this does not mean it’s necessarily fair-minded , beneficial for the country as a whole, or having any moral underpinnings supporting it.

  915. Tina says:

    And by reducing the square footage of stores, the order effectively increases the density of shoppers in the remaining sections of the store—which is dangerous to public health!

    — Tom Cotton (@TomCottonAR) April 11, 2020

  916. Paul says:

    janz,
    So, you are saying the Republicans haven’t figured out how to effectively use this legal means to get out the vote. You want to make something illegal just because you haven’t done so well with making it work in your favor.

  917. Proud Obamacon says:

    I see Janz is back with his usual garbage. Laws mean nothing to Janz no surprise there! What happened in CA in 2018 was LEGAL. What happened in NC with Harris was ILLEGAL! See the difference? LOL damn.

    “Right before Gov Brown left office in 2016, he made ballot harvesting legal. So, when the midterms rolled around it’s speculated anywhere from 5 to 7 more conservative CDs were impacted, switching at the last minute by ballots suddenly appearing, to democrat.”

    PERFECTLY LEGAL, JANZ! See California election laws!

    “OTOH, when it was discovered that a Republican, Mark Harris, had a worker “illegally” collecting ballots in the same manner, his win was invalidated and his seat was decided by a special election.”

    ILLEGAL JANZ! See North C election laws!

    WOW!

  918. wvally says:

    jason says:
    April 11, 2020 at 1:49 pm
    So the Gov of KY, who won by 5000 votes because he ran against a Paulbot moron now thinks he has a mandate to persecute religious people?

    Elections have consequences.

    ****

    This is why I’m mainstream republican in all my voting, despite my libertarian intellectual leanings. Gotta give HHR it’s due for helping see that light.

  919. Proud Obamacon says:

    “About time for some full scale civil disobedience. We don’t suspend the Constitution even for a pandemic.”

    DO IT, Captain Dick! Lead the disobedience. Go out, party it up, what could possibly go wrong? Just keep it all confined to your town please, thanks sport!

  920. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is here to cheer for more deaths and a crashing economy and voter fraud?

  921. jason says:

    This is why I’m mainstream republican in all my voting, despite my libertarian intellectual leanings”

    And it is why I will vote straight Republican even though I left the party.

  922. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason with his same tired act. yawn

    Where’s the post about Venezuela? LOL

  923. jason says:

    KY gov is a moron if he thinks persecuting church goers is a winning strategy outside of the MSM and the Marxists.

    And the little fascist Mussolini wannabee woman in MI is overreaching too.

  924. jason says:

    Where’s the post about Venezuela? LOL”

    Speaking of Venezuela, how IS your socialist paradise doing? People still eating out of garbage cans?

  925. Bitterlaw says:

    If my church was open, I would go for Easter. I would take the risk.

  926. janz says:

    Republicans haven’t supported most of the sleazy tactics Dems want enacted, regarding voting….anything goes, according to dem standards, except for voter ID or clearing voter registrations of the deceased or other voter discrepancies. Should republicans go low to keep up with the Dems? That’s not what I want to endorse.

  927. Paul says:

    janz,
    Being a failure at get out the vote efforts is an error on the Republican’s part. It is not the fault of the Democrats.

  928. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Jason complains about Venezuela but he loves Venezuela. Looosah, WE ARE IN VENEZUELA. Jason has no problem with unlimited QE, trillion dollar deficits, bottomless interest rates, printing trillions of dollars, government intervention in every industry .. you know, Venezuela monetary policy! Jason loves it!

    Great plot twist!

  929. Paul says:

    And if any votes were switched in California during the vote process, that should be looked into and prosecuted to the fullest extent. In North Carolina, it wasn’t simply collecting ballots (which happened to be against the law), it was changing ballots from Democratic to Republican votes.

    If collecting ballots is legal, then I see no problem with doing that. I would support it in fact.

  930. Proud Obamacon says:

    Who needs Bernie when we already got Orange, Mnuchen, Jason, and gang turning us into Venezuela!

  931. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yall don’t want Dems to vote. Closing down polling places in cities, purging ACTIVE VOTERS from rolls. Yall don’t want democracy. Yall want your power by whatever means necessary.

    Then you claim to love democracy and the Constitution. What a joke!

    #RESIST

  932. Tina says:

    Rep Andy Biggs
    @RepAndyBiggsAZ
    ·
    4h
    Dr. Anthony Fauci has contributed a great deal to his country.

    But he can no longer be one of the primary voices in this crisis, especially not after his assertion that the economic effects & devastation are merely inconvenient. https://washex.am/2RuYzLL
    @RepKenBuck

  933. Proud Obamacon says:

    Tina hell ya!
    Let me remind you that Dr Birx is a Democrat. Let the Birx Flaming begin LOL!!!

    PLEASE PROCEED, You’re doing great! In fact, I think Dr. Orange should lead the response single handedly. After all, he is the chosen one and he alone can fix it . LOL Wow the stupidity here.

  934. Phil says:

    UN Secretary General warns UN to run out of money by the end of the month.

    Well, cry me a river. LOL

    Go grovel to the Chicons, clown.

  935. Scooterboy says:

    I get not being able to find a Candidate to run, but how do you forget to field a Candidate?

    Republicans now have a confirmed flip in oklahoma state house district 7 (ottawa county) because Democrats forgot to field a candidate

    Dem Ben Loring retired after serving 3 terms

    Republican Steve Bashore was the only one who filed to run

  936. PresidentPaul! says:

    Amazon video bans hoaxed a documentary that focused and drew attention to the fake news that America is watching.

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1248382643567087618?s=20

  937. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    For those critical of the Swedish approach, and who claim it will result in a massive amount of new cases — here are the new cases over the last three days:

    April 8 726
    April 9 722
    April 10 544

  938. Paul says:

    988: Wow. $1 million dollars down the drain. There are plenty of suckers out there.

  939. Tina says:

    The ding a ling has spoken:

    Lou Dobbs
    @LouDobbs
    · 8h
    Nikki Haley is expert in nothing, and a tool of the establishment that wants to muzzle @POTUS: Haley says Trump ‘Needs to Let His Experts Speak‘ During Briefings https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/10/nikki-haley-trump-needs-to-let-his-experts-speak-during-coronavirus-briefings/… #KAG #AmericaFirst #Dobbs

  940. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Europe is beginning to ease its COVID-19 restrictsions:

    +Denmark will be opening its kindergartens and schools around April 15th; Norway is also opening schools around the same time.

    +Austria is opening small shops; Czechoslovakia is also moving in that direction.

    +Hard hit Spain is opening its factories and construction sites.

  941. Robbie says:

    I’m breaking my hiatus for moment. There’s a very interesting article in the LA Times today with good reporting showing the coronavirus was likely circulating in California as early as December. I found it interesting because anecdotally lots and lots of people have mentioned experiencing one of the worst illnesses they can remember starting late November, December, and January with symptoms that match coronavirus.

    In fact, I was hit by a sharp illness in mid December while in Florida. I had a sore throat, a low grade fever, and body aches for about five days. I also developed a wicked dry cough with some slight chest pressure that last three weeks. It was so bad that several nights I was unable to lay down because it made me cough so much.

    I suppose it could simply be a coincidence so many of us had an illness that matched the general symptoms of coronavirus. But what is the likelihood one illness swept the country in late 2019 and had the same general symptoms of coronavirus but wasn’t coronavirus? What are the odds of that?

    What if coronavirus has been circulating in the US since late 2019? What if what we’re seeing now if the second wave or just a continuation of what many of us suffered in late 2019? It seems possible to me and, if that’s the case, it argues far more of us have had than anyone can imagine and we’re probably close to her immunity already.

  942. Proud Obamacon says:

    BJ is a gentleman, he is either too nice or he’s a plant lobbing softballs to idiots like Jason. Let me bring some #FACTS.

    Repeatedly it’s the Dems that reach across the aisle to try to work with ReTHUGs. Obama reached out repeatedly after 08. During ACA, it was the RETHUGS who completely obstructed and offered absolutely nothing. Dems had no choice but to go on their own. This is with 60 seats in the Senate, Dems still tried to reach out when the didn’t need to.

    This year Biden said he’d consider a Republican running mate. Yes he did. This is also the guy who ushered CLARENCE THOMAS through the Dem controlled Senate!

    Even when there was a SCOTUS opening, Obama met the Turtle more than halfway by nominated a 60something year old snoozer who excited no one on the Dem side. Still Turtle wouldn’t budge. So phuck off about how Dems obstruct. ReTHUGS invented obstructing.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMING

  943. wvally says:

    Interesting Robbie. I was staying with my sister for a few months over the winter. She came down with the same thing…worst flu she ever had, dry hacking cough, “burning” in her lungs, extremely tired. She ended up in the ER. It lasted weeks. Her husband and kids got it too, they were each out of school for a week. I didn’t get it, but I am on hydroxychloroquine for lupus.

    I’ve wondered several times whether they had coronavirus. It was mid February, in Maryland, so seemed a little early for the timeline, but the symptoms line up.

  944. Tina says:

    Time to sideline Dr. fallacy, his sheotty models, and his history of poor calls:

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/10/time-to-sideline-the-false-prophets-of-doom/

  945. Tina says:

    Julie Kelly
    @julie_kelly2
    ·
    2h
    Fauci Jan 21: COVID isn’t a serious threat

    Fauci Feb 28: COVID as deadly as severe flu

    Fauci March 11: COVID 10x deadlier than flu

    Fauci March 15: People need to “hunker down”

    Fauci April 2: We need a national shutdown

    Too many blown calls:

  946. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    994. Interesting post. When they start testing for antibodies we will find out how much herd immunity has developed. In one Germany town testing determined it was 15%.

  947. Bitterlaw says:

    M

  948. Tina says:

    The model was good enough to shut it all down.

    Now it’s unreliable?

    Wtf?

    Brit Hume
    @brithume
    · 21h
    Dr. Fauci on Fox News tonight, on modeling: “I have always been and still am and will always be somewhat reserved and skeptical of models because models are only as good as the assumptions that you put into the models.” 1/2

  949. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    We need to hire Dr. Hindsight as our CORVID-19 expert — he/she is always right.

  950. Bitterlaw says:

    Too many blown calls:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz. As evidence changed, his conclusions conclusions changed. That is what scientists and doctors should do.

  951. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good work Tina!

  952. Tina says:

    The Federal judge that slammed the fascist Louisville mayor is trumps nominee to the Dc Court.

    His opinion is spot on.

  953. Paul says:

    I’m interested in the Colorado County which plans on testing everyone for the antibodies. I haven’t heard much about it lately. A widespread test of a community would shed a lot of light on what we are dealing with.

    My wife drove Uber before all of this mess. She cam down with a fever and illness. Then most of our famiy had fever, sore throat and cough. My cough was a bit worse for a longer period likely because of some lung problems I have. Ever since, I’ve wondered if we’ve all had a mild case of it. Probably not. But no way of knowing for the time being.

  954. Robbie says:

    It’s never good to base opinions on anecdotal evidence, but it’s hard to ignore the number of people who claim they were sick with a “flu-like” illness in late November onward that had symptoms so well aligned with coronavirus. Again, it’s totally possible there was another virus circulating late last year that mimicked coronavirus, but how likely is it that there were two viruses with similar symptoms and not just one? To have one at the end of 2019 and then another in February seems unlikely to me, but who knows.

    Regardless, the hysteria and panic have ruined the economies of the world. It will take years to overcome what’s happened in the last few weeks and it will probably become a depression. We have social safety nets now that we didn’t in the 1930’s, but the economic, political, and mental health impacts will be massive. The psyche of people has take a gut punch.

    What makes the situation in America so much tougher is there are governors who clearly want to abuse the crisis and keep their states closed for long periods of time. Certainly, the moron who is governor of Kentucky is one and I bet that will be case with governors in California, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey. Does anyone really see these people allowing for restrictions to be eased before Memorial Day? I don’t.

  955. Paul says:

    cam = came

  956. Victrc says:

    Dr. Fauci is an asset to Trump.
    Dr. Brix is an asset to Trump.
    The Surgeon General is an asset to Trump.
    VP Pence is an asset to Trump.

    One thing Trump has experience at is being a CEO, a much harder job than 99% give credit for. It’s a skill set that not everyone has. The best CEO’s in the world listen to all the advice around them, filter it based on biases (we all have them, especially with regard to the “division” run) and weight the input based on the overall solution. The CEO is responsible for the decision, but NEVER, and I mean NEVER should make it on his own. He just presents the decision based on the input, circumstances and data available.

    That is why Fauci not only shouldn’t be fired, even if he’s been off on some things, because his input is valuable, he has credibility and WE HAVE ALL BEEN WRONG ON SOME THINGS.

    This expectation that everyone should be perfect and should have handles this one way and one way only is absurd. The Democrats are doing that, we don’t need to.

    That is why

  957. VictrC says:

    Robbie

    I would imagine that someone like you (a pilot) may have been subjected to the virus much earlier than most people. Flying a plane full of 120+ (depending on which 737 you fly) each day leaves you vulnerable, even if you are in the cockpit.

    I Imagine when boarding or deplaning you have cockpit door open, and someone could easily sneeze or cough while passing, thereby exposing you.

    Anecdotal yes, but it could be true.

  958. janz says:

    Tina I agree with your post #1001 100%. I saw that exact excerpt from Fauci’s FOX interview, and it just seemed so typical of how he handled the upheavals during the HIV crisis too. In the end, he continues to look good, keep his own 6-figure salary intact, and his job, no matter the chaos he may have caused by any miscalculations or erroneous model-reading was done by or through him.

  959. Tina says:

    The November -January flu incidents need to be looked at in California. I have a feeling it was Coronavirus. At the time, a higher number seemed to have pneumonia. If they did not have pneumonia, they com0launed that the symptoms were the worst ever.

    If it originated at that time, then our so called medical experts failed bigly.

  960. Paul says:

    Looks like the COVID antibody test in San Miguel County, Colorado started out with high expectations but after getting samples from most of the county has run into snags.

    https://khn.org/news/a-colorado-ski-community-planned-to-test-everyone-for-covid-19-heres-what-happened/

  961. Tina says:

    At this point, I am not against Schiffty investigstion if it’s truly bipartisan, fair and balanced.

    Our medical experts failed us.

  962. janz says:

    No matter my criticisms of Fauci, I don’t believe he should be fired, only given a smaller platform to expound his fluctuating opinions on. There is a Stanford “expert” I would like to see in those daily briefings – Dr. Ioannidis would serve as a more moderated counterpoint to both Fauci & Birx in giving an informative “second opinion” type of opinion.

  963. Tina says:

    We Californians either got it early; the China travel ban was very timely; governor nuisance actually was proactive; and possible warmer temps helped.

    Maybe a combo of the above?

  964. Tina says:

    I have no problem with Dr. Birx taking the lead role.

    I also don’t want fallacy fired

  965. Bitterlaw says:

    I am “attending” Mass in Ireland now. Does not seem good enough but that is what the Church wants me to do.

  966. Tina says:

    Michigan Governor dim wit also banned the sale of car seats.

    What a maniac.

  967. Robbie says:

    One of the best reasons to suspect coronavirus was here long before anyone knew there was such a thing is the CDC surveillance data from big cities. For instance, NYC reported a huge spike in “Influenza like Illnesses” at the end of November and that spike lasted until January. These were illnesses that presented as flu but tested negative for flu A and B. Could it have been something else? Sure, anything’s possible, but doesn’t it seem odd to see such a spike just before a recognized outbreak is defined?

  968. Tina says:

    Has anybody seen China Biden since Wednesday?

    I think he was discussing snack ideas with Governor Dim Witt.

  969. Robbie says:

    Unfortunately, the next thing we need to be prepared for is the press and many governors shifting the goalposts. Clearly, their projections of death were greatly inflated. The modeling never matched reality, but it became an article of faith the aforementioned that death would sweep through the country.

    So look for the press and many governors, who still believe the apocalyptic projections were correct, to say restrictions can’t be relaxed because a “second wave” is coming and maybe we shouldn’t be allowed to do much of anything until there’s a vaccine whether that be in 2021 or 2025.

  970. jason says:

    The model was good enough to shut it all down.

    Now it’s unreliable?”

    Zzzzz… Fauci has always been honest about the model.

    “Too many blown calls”

    Zzzzzz.. Fauci has been excellent, he is not dogmatic, and he has not “blown” a damm thing.

  971. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag is back?

    Still rooting for the economy to crash because that would be bad for Trump?

    Should get a room with Roadkill Maggot.

  972. lisab says:

    Amoral Scumbag is back?
    ——————————

    seems lie he finally realized his job is not coming back any time soon

  973. jason says:

    I have no problem with Dr. Birx taking the lead role.”

    Zzzz… Birx and Fauci have different roles, in case you didn’t notice.

    Birx is not going to be taking any “lead role”.

    She, like Fauci, will continue to do their jobs in a stellar manner.

    But feel free to keep making this about “Fauci is a Democrat” and looking like a jackass.

  974. jason says:

    seems lie he finally realized his job is not coming back any time soon”

    Hey, it is all for the cause.

    Of course, he could care less about millions of others who don’t want to lose their jobs.

    Screw’em, as long as it is “bad for Trump”.

  975. Phil says:

    1023

    Amen. Agree completely with Robbie here. There will indeed be a large number of politicians and media who will indeed scream and shout that the economies of the world must remain shut down for the next year, two yrs, or even longer. You can already see it. Rahm Emanuel’s brother has already come out and said 12-18 months. It’s all based on the most extreme projections…….. and those projections so far were way over blown.

  976. Tina says:

    Fauci is a jackass.

  977. Tina says:

    Shem Horne Retweeted

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    9m
    So now the Fake News
    @nytimes
    is tracing the CoronaVirus origins back to Europe, NOT China. This is a first! I wonder where the Failing New York Times got for this one? Are there any NAMED sources? They were recently thrown out of China like dogs, and obviously want back in. Sad!

  978. lisab says:

    There will indeed be a large number of politicians and media who will indeed scream and shout that the economies of the world must remain shut down for the next year
    ——————————-

    they probably will, but it will backfire, because when other states go back to work and things are ok, people will notice

    also parents want their kids in school

  979. Phil says:

    Unfortunately, politicians in positions of authority will be scared to death to open anything up well into the summer for fear that someone gets sick or dies after they make the decision to loosen anything up. The result? An economic Depression if we don’t begin to move forward before June.

  980. Tina says:

    I think Texas reopening soon will start the flood gate.

    Sure, you will have hold outs like Dim Witt, who is just auditioning to be China Biden’s veep nominee.

  981. Tina says:

    Rising serpent
    @rising_serpent
    ·
    2h
    The same WHO who assured usthat there was no evidence for human to human transmission of the coronavirus?
    The same WHO that commended China’s containment efforts while condemning our travel restrictions as detrimental and discriminatory?
    That WHO?
    Quote Tweet

    NBC News
    @NBCNews
    · 3h
    World Health Organization warns that a premature lifting of lockdown restrictions by countries fighting the coronavirus could spark a “deadly resurgence.” https://nbcnews.to/39Z0Cy0

  982. jason says:

    Fauci will get the Medal of Freedom, hopefully.

    Nobody in this whole mess deserves it more than him.

  983. jason says:

    The reason Amoral Scumbag doesn’t want the economy operating “before the summer” is because he thinks that would be bad for Trump.

  984. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1014. Mention of San Miguel County, Colorado always reminds me of local hero banker Charles Waggoner, who has a plaque honoring him in Telluride

    “On August 30, 1929, Charles D. Waggoner set out for Denver with a Robin Hood type of plan to save the Bank of Telluride. The swindle worked long enough for Waggoner to obtain a half-million dollars from the New York City banks and use these funds to pay creditors of the Bank of Telluride, which left funds for the Bank’s depositors. The swindle saved the townspeople but Waggoner’s swindle was uncovered and the Bank of Telluride was closed.

    In 1939, Waggoner told a newspaper, The Daily Sentinel, that he knew what he was doing. “I would rather see the New York banks lose money than the people of Telluride, most of whom had worked all their lives for the savings which were deposited in my bank.””

  985. jason says:

    I’m breaking my hiatus for moment.”

    No hurry.

  986. jason says:

    Rumor is MI Gov Mussolina now banning travel from room to room in your house.

    You can go to the bathroom and kitchen as long as it is not too often.

  987. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 11, 2020 at 7:03 pm
    The reason Amoral Scumbag doesn’t want the economy operating “before the summer” is because he thinks that would be bad for Trump.

    – Same old Jason fraud. Full of lies and bluster signifying nothing.

    Where in the world did I say I don’t want the economy not operating until the Summer?

    I’ve said no such thing. In fact, I think most of the country should be allowed to start the reopening process on May 1.

    If you’re going to lie, try harder.

  988. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason is probably a bot. He says the same chit over and over. Time to reprogram the bot! LOL

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN.YALL

  989. PresidentPaul! says:

    “We need you to do this if not for yourself than for your abuela. Do it for your granddaddy, do it for your big momma, do it for your poppop,” while suggesting that black and Latino families “avoid alcohol, tobacco and drugs.”

    The surgeon general was watching “Big Mamma’s house” before he took to the podium

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noT3bA3Ibyk

  990. PresidentPaul! says:

    Texas to go back to work?

    Texas Governor Greg Abbott Must Read LewRockwell.com
    Thomas DiLorenzo
    donate
    He has announced that he is effectively taking Jeff Deist’s advice and becoming the first governor to issue an executive order next week ending mass house arrest in Texas and starting the return to normality with a safe re-opening of Texas business.

  991. PresidentPaul! says:

    1042 You agree with Rogan?

    Joe Rogan discusses the demented Joe nomination, and says that the democrats have turned voters into fools.

    He said: “This is the real issue with the Democratic Party.
    “They’ve essentially made us all morons with this Joe Biden thing. They really have. They’ve made us all morons.
    “I can’t vote for that guy.

  992. VictrC says:

    To be clear Abbott is not opening anything before May 1 and even then its going to be limited for awhile.

    the Lt. Gov said, “ “We’re not going to open up everything immediately, but it will be done in phases, but we need to get started, and I hope that’s the first week of May, barring any unforeseen big spikes,”

    Abbott added he was cautious about the prospect of rushing back to work, saying his executive order will strike a balance between safety and encouraging economic activity.

  993. jason says:

    Repeatedly it’s the Dems that reach across the aisle to try to work with ReTHUGs.”

    You have to really be deluded to believe that fantasy.

    But then, this is someone who thinks Cuba is the model for the world.

    “Obama met the Turtle more than halfway by nominated a 60something year old snoozer who excited no one on the Dem side”

    I don’t know why Dems were not excited. A flaming liberal gun grabbing 2nd amendment hater. Garland was a “moderate” was another fantasy.

  994. jason says:

    Yeah, the problem with Texas is that its curve peaks in May, not April.

    Texas is still 17 from its peak, maybe with Monday’s revision of the model it will be shortened.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas

  995. jason says:

    Where in the world did I say I don’t want the economy not operating until the Summer?

    Amoral Scumbag has been hoping for a crash in the economy since Trump was elected.

    Karma is a bitch.

  996. jason says:

    The Amoral Scumbag Never Trumper and the Marxist Leninist have the same talking points.

    What a surprise.

  997. PresidentPaul! says:

    Anyone else watching Narcos?

    This show is ridiculously good.

    Also Sean Penn going down to meet with El Chapo causing the cartel to fall is pretty hilarious

  998. jason says:

    Amoral Scumbag has something to celebrate.

    His hero and shining example of virtue Michael Avenatti was released from jail due to coronavirus, a ridiculous court decision.

  999. Scooterboy says:

    Tina continues to make her insane, inconsistent arguments about Dr. Fauci.

    Again, if you want to question Dr. Fauci’s competence, that’s fine. But I have yet to see you question Trump’s competency for keeping him in his current position.

    Until you do that, your argument is senseless.

  1000. wvally says:

    A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

    Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital.

    Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.

    https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist

  1001. Scooterboy says:

    Dear Lord, that video of Biden in 1046 should scare the chit out of everyone. That’s just pathetic.

  1002. Wes says:

    PO is just pissed because McConnell returned the Dems’ favor on judicial appointees: Bork, Estrada, et al.

    McConnell also adopted the Biden-Schumer rule of ensuring a lame-duck President of the opposite party from the Senate Majority couldn’t appoint a Justice in his final year.

    Ironically if not for Ted Kennedy and his antics in 1987, Obama could have secured a liberal Supreme Court Majority in 2012.

    The Law of Unintended Consequences at work.

    PO just can’t stand the fact that his party screwed by declaring judicial warfare.

    How delightful to watch his self-serving meltdown.

  1003. Wes says:

    Kennedy scuttles Bork. Dems fail to get a liberal Supreme Court Majority.

    Daschle filibusters Bush appointees. Republicans return the favor.

    Reid prevents recess appointments by keeping the Senate in session and eliminates the filibuster for lower-level judicial appointees. McConnell returns the favor by blocking Garland and eliminating the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees.

    Your party wanted this judicial war, PO. They just don’t like it when Republicans do to them as the Democrats did to the GOP.

  1004. Wes says:

    By the way, Democrats went so far as to try to create some half-baked UNCONSTITUTIONAL way of seating Garland by having Biden refuse to recognize Senators elected in 2016 when Congress convened on 1-3-17, so don’t tell me Garland wasn’t someone they were excited about.

  1005. Wes says:

    Elections have consequences, PO. I was saying in 2011 if Obama won re-election in 2012, Democrats would be jeopardized in the Senate in 2014. That happened when Democrats suffered catastrophic losses because of Obama’s second-term unpopularity.

    You got what you wanted when Obama won re-election. It just cost your party more than it was worth.

  1006. jason says:

    US closed out at +30003 and +1830 deaths (very close to the model +1907)

    That would definitely confirm we peaked yesterday according to the model.

  1007. jason says:

    Since both yesterday and today we were slightly under the curve, if tomorrow we are also under then the Monday update might have some good news.

  1008. PresidentPaul! says:

    Kudlow: ‘Pay The Moving Costs’ Of American Companies Leaving China

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/10/kudlow-pay-the-moving-costs-of-american-companies-leaving-china/#697d879e13c6

    “The same day Japan announced that it would spend upwards of $2.2 billion to get its corporations out of China and either back home or spread throughout southeast Asia, White House National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow said the U.S. should “pay the moving costs” of every American company that wants out of China.

    “I would say, 100 percent immediate expensing across the board for plant, equipment, intellectual property, structures, renovations… In other words, if we had 100 percent immediate expensing, we would literally — literally pay the moving costs of American companies,” Kudlow said on the FOX Business Network’s America Works Together Town Hall which aired on Thursday.”

  1009. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Wes wants to talk about Bork, yet conveniently forgets that Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a Democrat controlled Senate. Selective memory loss? Or just spinning as usual. Not surprising at all. Hypocrite anyone? LOL

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMING.YALL

  1010. Wes says:

    I forgot nothing, PO. Thomas was irrelevant to the conversation since he’s still alive. I mentioned Born because Ted Kennedy’s shortsighted “borking” of him kept Obama from getting a Dem-controlled Senate to confirm a replacement in 2012.

    You really should keep up on the context of the conversation and quit playing legerdemain by going off on pointless tangents.

  1011. Wes says:

    Messy the Moron and Mikey officially have competition for stupidest HHR poster of all time. PO can’t even keep up with the point of a comment and has to discuss an utter irrelevancy to try to discredit what I said.

    Good one, PO.

    Keep up the good work!

  1012. jason says:

    Wes, give Roadkill Maggot a break, he is limited to the talking points he gets at the Central Kommittee.

  1013. Bitterlaw says:

    We rarely see unity at HHR unless it is against me. Tina has drawn the rare distinction of bringing together, me, Jason, Scooter, Wes, lisab, San Diego, VIc, and Country Dick, Mr. Vito and NYC in the Pro-Fauci camp. Tina, Hugh and Janz are the main anti-Fauci faction.

  1014. Wes says:

    How stupid must PO be not to realize Thomas didn’t die while Obama was President, this negating any reason I would have to discuss his confirmation—which Dems tried to scuttle with Anita Hill. They failed of course because Hill lacked credibility and couldn’t provide a tangible reason to derail an attempt to replace a sitting black Justice with another well-qualified Black Justice.

    Thanks to Joe Biden by the way for not descending to Kennedy’s sleazy antics but actually referring Thomas’ nomination to the full Senate.

  1015. Phil says:

    Wes, any chance the NC legislature approves and the Dem governor signs into law voting by mail and, even worse, legalization of ballot harvesting? I know Democrats would love to get NC.

  1016. Wes says:

    Doubtful, Phil.

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  1017. Wes says:

    Bitter, I think our Dem trolls produce unity by making the rest of us unite against their lazily repeated talking points.

  1018. Wes says:

    Does anyone else remember our 2014 NC trolls, who kept telling us Tarheels would stampede to the polls to reelect Kay Hagan because of supposed outrage against the State Legislature—which Republicans retained solid control of that year?

  1019. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry Wes but you are making no sense at all. You’re saying McConnell had the right to not confirm Garland because Dems did the same thing. I just showed you that Dems confirmed Thomas.

    And, right after Bork was rejected, Dems confirmed Anthony Kennedy.. every single Dem voted for Kennedy. It was 97-0 final vote. So don’t give me some bullchit about Dems obstructing at SCOTUS level.

    There’s no precedence for refusing to hold confirmation hearings. If Hillary was president today, that seat would still be open.

    Just another example of ReTHUGs trampling on our Democratic customs and hiding behind technicalities. It’s sick. But i’m not worried. Yall going extinct. We’re about to sweep into office and right this ship! #Blue.Wave.Comin’

  1020. Bitterlaw says:

    Good point, Wes. I was thinking more about unity against a non-troll. Tina is a solid poster but has lost it in this issue.

  1021. Bitterlaw says:

    They should have held a vote on Garland and just voted no. It was stupid to hand Dems a talking point. It was also stupid to reaffirm the idea that SCOTUS vacancies could only be filled in non-Presidential years (I know the Dems did it in the 70s but don’t feel like looking it up).

  1022. Wes says:

    You really are an idiot, PO. Let me walk you through this:

    Democrats scuttled Bork in 1987. He died in 2012. Had Kennedy not derailed Bork, then Obama—who had a Democrat Senate serving as his lapdog from 2009 to 2015—would have appointed a liberal to replace him.

    Democrats shot themselves in the foot with what Kennedy did in 1987.

    Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy did receive successful confirmations from Democrat Senates but were still alive on 1-20-2017, thus rendering the statements about whether Senate Democrats voted to confirm them irrelevant to the point I was making.

    Republicans got revenge for Bork with Garland. You just don’t like it because they did.

    Too bad for you.

    As for no precedent for refusing to hold confirmation hearings on an appointment made by a lame-duck President, need I really dig up the statements made by Biden and Schumer during the 102nd and 110th Congresses respectively advocating exactly what McConnell did to Obama?

    You’re a stupid hypocrite who jerks off when Democrats screw Republicans but whines when Republicans return the favor.

  1023. Wes says:

    I disagree, Bitter. Republicans just dredged up what Biden and Schumer had previously advocated when Democrats bitched about the Senate’s refusal to vote on Garland. That negated the Democrats’ talking points and made the issue irrelevant to the 2016 elections.

  1024. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry Wes but you’re the one making idiotic statements. I don’t care that Bork died in 2012. You think Kennedy came out against Bork because he was looking at actuarial tables and looking ahead 30 years? Give me a break.

    Basically you’re saying that Turtle held up confirmation of Garland because Dems had done the same in the past. That is a lie. Own it.

    I don’t care what was said or not said. There is no precedent.

    Here’s another #FACT for you.

    Dem controlled senate confirmed SCALIA in 1986 UNANIMOUSLY.

    Yeah, sure Dems are the obstructionists.

    You lose another debate. Getting too easy. You’re a lightweight.

  1025. Proud Obamacon says:

    After Bork was rejected, DEM CONTROLLED SENATES confirmed Anthony Kennedy (unanimously), Scalia (unanimously), and Clarence Thomas.

    Those are the #FACTS. I know, facts can be a stubborn thing. But go an and invent your own alternative facts to make yourself feel better.

  1026. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes really picked the wrong thing to debate about. Here’s more. You think the Garland fiasco was like Bork? Really?

    Bork was given a full confirmation hearing and a vote. After rejection, the president nominated Anthony Kennedy who was confirmed unanimously.

    So Wes, basically you’re saying that Garland was given a hearing (LIE), he was given a vote (LIE), and that if Obama nominated someone after Garland, that Turtle would have ushered through a unanimous confirmation. LOL

    LOL laughable of course, but I do admire your creativity with spin and lies.

    Wes is not having a good day LOL

  1027. Wes says:

    A lie is a fact in PO’s.

    You can’t even get your goddamn facts straight, PO.

    Let me help you out here:

    Scalia was confirmed in 1986. That was BEFORE 1987.

    Now let me help you out with math here.

    Republicans controlled the Senate from 1-3-1981 to 1-3-1987. Scalia was confirmed in September 1986. September of one year is four months before January of the next year.

    Thus, the GOP-controlled Senate elected in 1984 and seated from 1985 to 1987 confirmed Scalia.

    You’re so goddamn stupid you’re literally having to make up lies now against easily sourced FACTS to try to refute my points.

    Please, continue.

  1028. Wes says:

    A Democrat Senate somehow seated in a year when Republicans controlled the Senate confirmed Scalia!

    Yes, PO actually made that claim.

    Talk about destroying one’s own credibility.

  1029. Proud Obamacon says:

    You’re right about Scalia, my mistake. Dems voted unanimously in favor of Scalia, Republicans did control the Senate during the confirmation.

    Dems did confirm Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas while controlling the Senate. That is not in dispute.

    My argument remains intact.

    Tell me how Turtle was simply following precedent again? How were the Dems obstructing when they actually confirmed not one but two conservative Justices nominated by Republican presidents? How Wes How? Let’s hear it! LOL

  1030. janz says:

    You really have a handle on political details, Wes. Kudos!

  1031. Wes says:

    Just to make you aware of how our elections work, PO, regularly scheduled elections under the US Constitution occur in November of even years. Since 1934, Congress has taken office following the scheduled elections on January 3rd of the year following the election while Presidents have taken office on January 20th.

    1987-1=1986. That means 1986 occurred before 1987. Democrats lost their Senate Majority in 1980 and failed to regain it in 1982 and 1984, meaning Republicans controlled the Senate for six years straight from 1981 to 1987. Now, Democrats did regain control of the Senate in November 1986, but that was after Scalia received confirmation from the Senate in September 1986.

    Thus, the Democrat Senate seated in January 1987 had exactly nothing to do with Scalia’s confirmation.

    Now go back to having the DNC shove its talking points up your arsehole and use you like a ventriloquist’s dummy to spout them.

  1032. Wes says:

    PO is flailing and floundering now, pretending I forgot events I wasn’t discussing.

    It’s fun to watch him repeat his one-note talking points in a futile effort to refute the point I was making.

  1033. Proud Obamacon says:

    Why won’t Wes comment on the confirmations on Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas? Hmm I wonder why? It kinda destroys his argument, that’s why! LOL

  1034. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes is flailing. Wes says Turtle was following precedent when he held up the Garland nomination.

    I reminded him that Dems never held up a Republican-appointed SCOTUS nominee and in fact even voted in Thomas and Anthony Kennedy. Dems also vote FOR Scalia unanimously (and GOP controlled senate at that time which I conceded).

    Wes is flat wrong. Those are the facts.

  1035. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes is all over the place. Ted Kennedy is responsible for Turtle doing what he did to Garland? Really?

    Yes Ted Kennedy came out against Bork. Then Ted Kennedy voted FOR Anthony Kennedy. So no, Ted was not obstructing at all. He was against Bork. He voted for Kennedy.

    Again, FACTS.

  1036. Wes says:

    PO, I know you’re a blithering Moron, but even you can’t be stupid enough to keep backtracking to the same argument about Thomas and Kennedy when I never even tried to claim Senate Democrats defeated their nominations.

    I mentioned one person: Robert Bork.

    I will spell the name for you one letter at a time to show you I wasn’t referring to either Clarence Thomas or Anthony Kennedy.

    R

    O

    B

    E

    R

    T

    B

    O

    R

    K

    See, the name I just spelled out for your minuscule brain to process looks nothing like either of the two names you keep harping about.

    I addressed neither of them because they weren’t relevant to my point.

    You have nothing else, so to try to counter my point, you’re engaging in the blogging equivalent of saying “Look over there! Squirrel!.”

    It’s not working for you, and you really should give up before you make yourself look even stupider than you already do.

  1037. VictrC says:

    To wit, Ginsburg was confirmed 96-3, Breyer 87-9.

    Even both Kagan and the single worst Supreme Court justice in History, Sotohatewhitey, were confirmed with Republican votes, 68-31, 63-37.

    It is the Dems who have weaponized Supreme Court justices, with their vitriol towards Kavanaugh and Gorsich, who received the lowest number of votes in confirmation since, of course, Thomas.

    In fact the only three nominations for the SC to be rejected in the last 90 years came by DEMS to Republican nominees. Not one, not one single Dem nominee has been rejected.

    Kind of blows holes in the argument, but lets not let facts get in our way.

  1038. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I addressed neither of them because they weren’t relevant to my point.”

    You forgot about both Thomas and Kennedy because they would have destroyed your argument. I reminded you about them. Your argument now holds no water because the Thomas and Kennedy nominations completely invalidate your position that Turtle was simply following precedent.

    Hell, even the BORK argument does not apply. BORK was given a full hearing and a full vote. And then the next guy was confirmed. That doesn’t even support your position LOL. How’s that remotely similar? ? ?

    Keep flailing .. its enjoyable to watch!

  1039. Wes says:

    I’m actually finding this fun, Vic. PO literally has no counter to what I said but to keep repeating “Thomas and Kennedy!” like an old, scratched record.

    It’d be nice if he’d address the person I mentioned, but I’m not going to lay any money on it.

  1040. Wes says:

    PO is so stupid he equates not mentioning nominees irrelevant to what I was saying with forgetting them.

    Meanwhile, he literally claimed the party that didn’t control the Senate in 1986 somehow controlled the sole Supreme Court confirmation that year.

    This guy votes.

    Just remember that—and shudder at the thought of how someone that stupid manages to cast a ballot.

  1041. Proud Obamacon says:

    I understand why Wes is so triggered by Thomas and Anthony Kennedy since they destroy his argument completely.

    As for VC, sorry VS but the 3 rejections are not an example of obstructionism. Those are examples of the Senate exercising its obligation to confirm. The next justices nominated were confirmed, hence no obstructionism. It was concerns with the original nominees themselves.

    This in stark contrast to Garland and how he was treated. No hearing, no vote, no opportunity for Obama to nominate someone else.

    Sorry, no dice. Try again.

  1042. Wes says:

    You used the word “triggered,” PO.

    That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

  1043. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes keeps bringing up Bork which is a false comparison. He claims I didn’t address Bork which is a lie. I’ll paste again:

    “Hell, even the BORK argument does not apply. BORK was given a full hearing and a full vote. And then the next guy was confirmed. That doesn’t even support your position LOL. How’s that remotely similar? ? ?”

    “Yes Ted Kennedy came out against Bork. Then Ted Kennedy voted FOR Anthony Kennedy. So no, Ted was not obstructing at all. He was against Bork. He voted for Kennedy.”

  1044. Scooterboy says:

    I think PO just got schooled.

  1045. Wes says:

    Garland just got the treatment Schumer and Biden advocated, PO. He also got a variant of what Dems had done to lower-level GWB nominees such as Miguel Estrada.

    Turnabout is fair play.

    Your side sowed the wind. They reaped the whirlwind. Mindlessly repeating two extraneous names ad nauseum doesn’t—and won’t—change that.

  1046. Proud Obamacon says:

    Since Wes has trouble reading apparently, another re-post on Bork:
    “Bork was given a full confirmation hearing and a vote. After rejection, the president nominated Anthony Kennedy who was confirmed unanimously.

    So Wes, basically you’re saying that Garland was given a hearing (LIE), he was given a vote (LIE), and that if Obama nominated someone after Garland, that Turtle would have ushered through a unanimous confirmation. LOL”

  1047. VictrC says:

    Voting no based on partisanship is the ultimate in obstructionism. It is literally the definition of obstructionism. Bork was not rejected because he was unqualified, he was rejected because Democrats thought him too conservative. Plain and simple. That was not advise and consent, that was obstructionism.

    If Garland had received a vote and was rejected Dems still would have lost their minds. Just like they will if a Conservative replaces Ginsburg. Lord, i can not even imagine that hearing. R’s could nominate Jesus and no dem would vote to confirm.

    Back to the point, if a lack of qualifications were the issue then Sotomayor wouldn’t never be able to sniff the SC bench, much less sit on it, which is the biggest travesty in the history of the SC. She is an openly racist, unqualified, affirmative action pick and nothing more.

    But I digress.

  1048. Wes says:

    PO spent 90% of an argument that started when I mentioned Robert Bork harping about Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kennedy and pointed out two lines mentioning Bork to try to stick his tongue out at me like a fifth grader and say, “See, See, I did mention Bork. You know I did, so there.”

    I swear, I couldn’t get better comedy at an Orny Adams show.

  1049. Proud Obamacon says:

    Nice backpeddle, Wes! So you admit you were wrong. And my supporting evidence you dismiss as “extraneous name”. Love it! Go back lick your wounds, sport. It was a nice workout today, I enjoyed it. Bring better game next time.

  1050. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Voting no based on partisanship is the ultimate in obstructionism. It is literally the definition of obstructionism. Bork was not rejected because he was unqualified, he was rejected because Democrats thought him too conservative. Plain and simple. That was not advise and consent, that was obstructionism.”

    VC , Then why did the Dem Senate confirm Anthony Kennedy? That makes no sense based on what you just said. If it was an obstructionist Dem Senate, it would have also rejected Kennedy.

    Sorry the fact that Kennedy was confirmed by a Dem Senate proves you wrong.

  1051. Wes says:

    Now PO can’t even remember what I said about Garland or Bork. In fact, never claimed Republicans did to Garland what Democrats did to Bork. I made the following bullet points:

    1) What Republicans did to Garland was revenge for what Democrats had done to Bork.

    2) Garland got similar treatment to what Miguel Estrada had received.

    3) Democrats cost themselves a Supreme Court Majority by scuttling Bork.

    I literally never said Republicans treated Garland as Democrats had treated Bork; however, PO is too stupid to understand that.

  1052. Wes says:

    If you want to take what I said as “admitting I was wrong” so you can puff your chest out and try to declare victory after your string of sophomoric posts, then by all means I won’t try to stop you, PO.

    I’ll laugh at you as I have been doing all along, but I won’t try to stop you.

  1053. Proud Obamacon says:

    “1) What Republicans did to Garland was revenge for what Democrats had done to Bork.”
    Good to know you care more about revenge then upholding democratic customs. Dems confirmed Kennedy right after Bork was rejected. Republicans were never going to confirm anyone.

    “2) Garland got similar treatment to what Miguel Estrada had received.”
    Garland was a SCOTUS nominee, Estrada was not.

    “3) Democrats cost themselves a Supreme Court Majority by scuttling Bork.”
    Yeah, Dems should have got in they time machine to fly ahead to see when Bork would die? Ridiculous argument. Besides, Bork would have retired in 2005 to let Bush replace him. So again, Wes with his usual nonsense.

  1054. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I’ll laugh at you as I have been doing all along, but I won’t try to stop you.”

    Yeah, laugh to keep from crying after getting your a$$ beat.

    Lick your wounds pal and be better next time.

  1055. Wes says:

    You must have a serious man crush on Anthony Kennedy to keep repeating his name like an incantation, PO.

    You must not be getting any at home. I’m guessing that’s why you’re fixated on an octogenarian retired Justice.

  1056. Proud Obamacon says:

    “You must have a serious man crush on Anthony Kennedy”

    The Anthony Kennedy confirmation completely dismantles your argument. Its no wonder you refuse to address it. And now you’re trying to make a joke. I almost feel sorry for you now.

  1057. Wes says:

    The guy who doesn’t know when Democrats controlled the Senate and endlessly repeats an old man’s name like that of a lost lover is telling me to lick my wounds and improve.

    Seriously.

    Talk about delusional.

  1058. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes with an awful joke followed by personal attacks.

    Sad.. but hey, when you get your a$$ whooped like he just did, I’m not surprised he gets all triggered.

    Sorry to bring FACTS to the debate.

  1059. Wes says:

    You keep bringing him up, PO.

    Look, contact a gay escort service and ask for an Anthony Kennedy lookalike. Maybe there’s one working for such a company in your area.

    That might help you get past your fixation on the venerable former Justice.

  1060. Proud Obamacon says:

    “endlessly repeats an old man’s name ”

    Only because you refuse to address it. The old man will be giving you nightmares tonight LOL

  1061. Proud Obamacon says:

    Now Wes is trying his hand at comedy. I am starting to seriously feel sorry for him.

  1062. Wes says:

    You are beyond hilarious, PO. You really should look into a career in standup comedy. People will be laughing at you, not with you, but at least they’ll be laughing.

    This whole Mouth of Sauron Thing for the DNC accompanied by your creepy obsession with Justice Kennedy just isn’t working out for you.

    With that, I’ve had my fun and will now be retiring to get some sleep.

  1063. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wow, hope Wes gets some rest. He was especially weak tonight.

  1064. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Lets take a tour down 2016 memory lane; Lord Ashcroft has a new poll out. It shows Trump losing badly; however, in the accompanying commentary, his lordship is not so sure Trump will lose.

    National GE:
    Biden 48% (+12)
    Trump 36%
    @LordAshcroft
    3/10-24

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2020/04/counting-on-trumps-performance-to-see-him-kicked-out-i-wouldnt-bet-on-it/

    “More to the point, the November election will not simply be a referendum on the Trump presidency, let alone his handling of the coronavirus disaster. It will be a choice between two individuals, the other of whom is some way from setting the nation alight. Joe Biden, now certain to be the Democratic nominee after the withdrawal of Bernie Sanders this week, is considered inoffensive (a big advantage over his predecessor, Hillary Clinton), but any sense that he is the man for the moment is noticeably absent. In my poll, the word Americans most often chose to describe him was “elderly.” More than one former Trump voter who was in the market for an alternative said that Biden seemed to be “not all there.””

  1065. Phil says:

    Biden +12?

    That’s what his polling is actually saying? Seriously?

    He should stick to polling the UK because he obviously hasn’t a clue about polling the USA.

  1066. VictrC says:

    LOL. This is the same guy who predicted Hillary would get 350+ electoral votes now has Trump at 36%. Let that sink in. Trump had 46+% in the last election, and now he’s going to lose over 10% of that?

    Why do people even bother posting idiocy like this.

    I love the whole Trump didn’t have enough ventilators. Not one, let me say this again, NOT ONE PERSON, who needed a ventilator during this crisis didn’t have access to one. Not one hospital bed was needed that wasn’t there. The US has conducted 2.7M tests to date, more than double Germany, and more than 6X the country in fifth place in testing. If you want to go to tests per M, outside of the UAE, which has tested an incredible 10% of the population (something that could only be done in a placed like the UAE where you need a pass to go to the grocery store and if you get caught outside you go directly to jail) New York State has the highest tests per M in the world.

    In fact there are 17 countries (with population more than 5M) that have more than 10,000 tests per M people, the US has 16 states with more than 10,000 tests per M.

    I know Democrats will say anything to take down this President, but I honestly don’t see what he could have done different in real time. Looking back in hindsight, sure, but honestly, other than downplaying a bit for a couple weeks, his reaction to this has been excellent. He’s listened to his advisors, he has used strong arm tactics when needed, and he’s revved up production of what we need.

    Sorry for the rant

  1067. wvally says:

    Happy Easter to HHR, especially to my pal Cash Cow.

  1068. Bitterlaw says:

    He is risen! COVID-19 can suck it.

  1069. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    1120 & 1121
    In Oct., 2019, this pollster had Biden +18 and Warren +14 over The Donald. The poll and pollster are not serious(and maybe a fraud).

  1070. jason says:

    Bitter stands up to COVID? Who knows, maybe the Communist Pope next?

  1071. jason says:

    Ma and I are going fishing today.

  1072. jason says:

    I am glad someone else destroyed Roadkill Maggot’s talking points last night.

  1073. jason says:

    National GE:
    Biden 48% (+12)
    Trump 36%
    @LordAshcroft”

    Lord Asshat, Amoral Scumbag’s favorite source for fake polling, is back?

    Ok, ok, the poll is not fake, it was taken at Lord Asshat’s favorite virtual pub.

  1074. Nancy Phucking Pelosi says:

    Proud Obamacon says:
    Jason is probably a bot. He says the same chit over and over.
    ——————————————————

    Self awareness level: zero

    #RESIST! #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN!

    Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…………

  1075. Country Dick Montana says:

    When my kids were young I used to take them to the Tulsa Zoo or Texas Zoo in Victoria. Eventually we would end up at the monkey exhibits. The colony of capuchin monkeys had almost human characteristics and while noisy and chaotic they were generally fun to watch. There was always one to the side that without warning would bare its teeth, start screeching, jumping around and start flinging poo at the others. So, for all their human tendencies, at the end of the day, they were still just monkeys.
    Then we would go see the Big Cats.

  1076. jason says:

    LOL

    “New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Saturday that the city’s schools will remain closed for the rest of the school year, but less than three hours later, Gov. Andrew Cuomo contradicted him, saying the mayor lacks the authority to make such a decision.

    “He didn’t close them, and he can’t reopen,” Cuomo said of the the vast school district that serves over 1.1 million students in 1,800 schools.

    The governor said it was only the mayor’s “opinion” to keep schools closed until fall, and that in this instance Cuomo holds the authority on the issue.”

  1077. jason says:

    Sounds like Cuomo is keeping his options open if Biden continues to self destruct.

  1078. jason says:

    Jason is probably a bot.”

    Watch Bitter deny me any points because of the “probably” in 3, 2, 1…

  1079. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is certainly a rabid Stalinist.

    I don’t say absolutely certainly because there is a 1% chance he is a Maoist.

  1080. jason says:

    “He didn’t close them, and he can’t reopen,”

    Could be the best putdown of the month.

  1081. jason says:

    Another great result from a Mikey Maneuver. Running a deadender for KS governor has consequences.

    I am sure will also be proud for “sending a message”.

    “Last night, voting on strictly procedural grounds, the Democrat dominated Kansas Supreme Court decided that the Kansas Legislative Coordinating Council had no authority to set aside an obviously unconstitutional order by fascist Democrat Governor Laura Kelly banning Easter services.”

  1082. wvally says:

    Well Bitter, since you decided to tally up the pro- and anti-Fauci factions on HHR, I suppose I’ll weigh in. I’ve been holding out because my feelings are ambivalent.

    Generally speaking I am skeptical of the scientific establishment. This is ironic considering I trained in molecular biology and now manage the publication of tens of thousands of scientific papers per year for many of the world’s leading scientific journals. My role in science is somewhat unique; in my work as a service provider supporting the industry broadly, I am essentially unspecialized and my teams oversee manuscripts across a wide diversity of journals in the fields of chemistry, physics, biology and medicine.

    Without getting into evidence and reasoning that would take many paragraphs to lay out, I will state my opinion that much of science is agenda-driven and political, and just as affected by money and herd-mentality as politics. Federal agencies and pharmaceutical companies are the main drivers.

    Fauci has a long history of vaccine advocacy, which is in line with the scientific establishment. I have been disappointed, but not at all surprised, by his reticence to embrace promising antiviral methodologies, which I believe is in service to promoting the mindset that a vaccine will be our only true solution. I think this mindset will have the effect of drawing out this crisis much longer than it needs to be, and will also result in intense pressure for universal vaccination that may have serious lifetime side-effects for a portion of the population. There is a huge wealth of data, mightily suppressed, on how harmful vaccines can be.

    That being said, Fauci is simply a mouthpiece for the scientific establishment, and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. He’s a very good mouthpiece. If it wasn’t him, it would be someone else, and the advice given would be the same.

    Politically, Fauci has been excellent for Trump. He is a good communicator, and has been reassuring to many Americans across the political spectrum. In some ways he has inured Trump from personal responsibility for some of the decision-making in this crisis, especially the decision to shut everything down.

    I’m not sure whether you’d see me as pro- or anti-Fauci. I don’t share his mindset, but I certainly agree with Victrc that he is an asset to Trump.

  1083. jason says:

    Nice analysis, wvally. I don’t agree with some of the premises but you certainly make good arguments.

    I don’t agree that Fauci has been “reluctant to embrace promising antiviral methodologies”, to the contrary, I think he is willing to look at everything. He has not opposed the use of untested methodologies, but he wants them subjected to clinical trials which is the right thing to do.

    As for being “a mouthpiece” for the scientific establishment, well, he is a first and foremost a scientist, that is his role. I happen to agree that barring a new miracle drug that acts as a prophylactic, a vaccine IS the long term solution for this.

    So while I agree that Fauci is a great political asset for Trump, I think the medical advice he is giving is good too.

    It doesn’t mean all his views have to prevail. Trump has to balance what it best for the country, not only what approach results in the fewest deaths. This in not a unique responsibility, every President deals with this when deciding to use military force. It is an awesome responsibility.

  1084. jason says:

    We rarely see unity at HHR unless it is against me. Tina has drawn the rare distinction of bringing together, me, Jason, Scooter, Wes, lisab, San Diego, VIc, and Country Dick, Mr. Vito and NYC in the Pro-Fauci camp. Tina, Hugh and Janz are the main anti-Fauci faction.”

    “Politically, Fauci has been excellent for Trump”.

    I am “annexing” wvally to “our” camp, despite her caveats.

    Sue me.

    “We rarely see unity at HHR unless it is against me”

    Zzzzzz.. playing my violin.

  1085. Phil says:

    Hey, remember 10 or 12 days ago all the media could talk about was ventilators ventilators ventilators?……Orange man not providing enough ventilators. People dropping like flies because Trump not providing ventilators. Yeah, I remember all that. Trump says we won’t need 30,000 ventilators and CNN goes nuts (more Trump happy talk).

    Well, guess what. Not a single person that needed a ventilator ever did without one and we’ve still got 8 to 10 thousand in reserve with another five thousand coming off the assembly lines mid week.

    Media’s now been strangely silent about ventilators over the last week. On to the next set of manufactured media shout it from the roof tops Trump failings.

    Rinse and repeat.

  1086. Paul says:

    Wes, the despicable turd, is full of crap.

  1087. Phil says:

    More in depth analysis from Paul.

  1088. wvally says:

    Here’s the thing, jason. Hydroxychloroquine is not “untested”. It has been extensively tested and proven to suppress the specific immune response that COVID-19 elicits in patients. While it has obviously not been clinically trialed against COVID-19 specifically, it has been trialed and shown as a potent inhibitor against other coronaviruses. Anecdotally, it has successfully treated many COVID patients already, and has been acting as a successful prophylactic in lupus patients and malarial countries. Side effects are virtually nil unless it is delivered in extremely high doses, which is understandable because it lowers blood pH. So while it disrupts viral infection and replication at low doses, it can alter blood chemistry too much if overdosed. There have been reports of some overdoses in 3rd world countries where some doctors have prescribed extremely high dosages, but when used at typically prescribed levels it is truly one of the safest medicines we have.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether the scientific establishment is dragging its feet on this in order to buy time for a mandatory vaccine solution that will have far worse side effects than antivirals. The extreme vehemence with which news propagandists have pilloried this drug is a big tell.

  1089. wvally says:

    I am “annexing” wvally to “our” camp, despite her caveats.

    ***

    Fair enough. HHR is about politics at the end of the day, and politically speaking, I am pro-Fauci.

  1090. Tina says:

    Yes silent about ventilators.

    Now, we are producing them here.

    So many to re stock federal supply and sending some to England and Italy.

  1091. Phil says:

    Great news from China. No virus related deaths from yesterday.

  1092. wvally says:

    My apologies, I meant that hydroxyxhloroquine RAISES pH in the blood, not lowers.

    Also, blood pH this is likely a factor in why diabetics and old people are more susceptible to COIVD–their bodies are more acidic, which is a favorable environment for coronaviruses.

  1093. dblaikie says:

    I want to wish everyone a wonderful blessed Easter! My prayers go out to the folks in Michigan who cannot go and be with their family this Easter! The Gov. of Michigan has gone completely loony.

  1094. janz says:

    wvally,

    some valid, well thought out, and yes, apolitical comments made regarding all things surrounding this virus.

    Even though Jason likes to define the leanings of everyone’s words @HHR, my posts have mainly voiced a robust but healthy skepticism over Fauci’s heavy reliance on inaccurate virus models molding much of our economic policy, as well as his conflict of interest with the Gates Foundation and their highly invested pursuit of a vaccine. Nonetheless, I have bookended those remarks saying I don’t think he should be fired, supporting changes, instead, where he would have a lower public profile, giving room for other infectious disease doctors to contribute different POVs, such as John Ioannides of Stanford.

    Finally, I find your molecular biology background lends itself to viewing this virus with far less confirmation bias than most people. My own background, however, as a former med-surg nurse, with experience in the field of public health, gives me reasonable cause to question any iron-clad medical protocol that seems flawed to me, rather than having blind acceptance of data interpreted by so-called “experts.”

  1095. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    Phil says:

    Great news from China. No virus related deaths from yesterday.
    ————————————

    Next the total deaths will start going back to zero as they bring the dead back to life

  1096. Wes says:

    PO—whose pathetic attempt to counter my arguments consisted almost entirely of repeated mentions of someone I wasn’t discussing while almost never acknowledging the appointee I did mention—said I was weak last night .

    That’s a laugh.

    Meanwhile, Paul doesn’t even try to counter anything I said but just makes a fifth grade-level personal attack.

    We seriously need better liberal trolls.

  1097. jason says:

    Wes, the despicable turd, is full of crap.”

    Paul has discovered that turds are full of crap?

    Wow.

    Like wes said, we need better moonbat trolls.

    I blame Trump. Because of him, the Dems are trying to mass produce trolls, and you can see the deterioration in quality.

  1098. jason says:

    “makes a fifth grade-level personal attack.”

    Fifth grade?

    I admire that about wes. He is generous and magnanimous with the trolls.

  1099. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes still at it I see LOL. He loves punishment.

    Wes tries to make an argument. I refute his argument and support it with facts.

    Wes says he’s not interested in facts because they are inconvenient to his flawed argument.

    Wes is not very bright.

  1100. Proud Obamacon says:

    And Jason loves that his hero is turning us into Venezuela. Who knew Jason actually worships Maduro!

    Looosah, WE ARE IN VENEZUELA. Jason has no problem with unlimited QE, trillion dollar deficits, bottomless interest rates, printing trillions of dollars, government intervention in every industry .. you know, Venezuela monetary policy! Jason loves it!

  1101. Proud Obamacon says:

    The IQ here is in the sewer. Luckily yall don’t represent America. Yall just a bunch of sewer dwellers constantly bitching and complaining about everything while we work to move this country forward.

    What a miserable existence for yall but I guess we’ll drag you along for the ride.

  1102. Proud Obamacon says:

    Hey Janz and Tina,
    Remember Bill Gates and Dr Fauci hang out and devised a secret plan to depopulate the planet by vaccinating everyone with poison. Psst pass it on! LOL

  1103. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot never had an original thought in his life.

    All he can do here is regurgitate left wing talking points he probably doesn’t even understand and post them here.

    Little does he know he would just the lowest level apparatchik in the system he thinks he wants to live under.

    He is better off being a blood sucking parasite in a capitalist system but he is too stupid to realize it.

  1104. Phil says:

    Yeah, the trolling here is especially weak this morning.

  1105. jason says:

    printing trillions of dollars,”

    LOL

    “When Obama was sworn in on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt was $10.626 trillion. When he left office on Jan. 20, 2017, it was $19.947 trillion.”

  1106. jason says:

    The IQ here is in the sewer”

    It does take a hit when you are here.

  1107. Proud Obamacon says:

    And what is the debt now, sport? LOL

    Jason complained when debt went up under Obama, and now that debt is going up at an even higher rate, Jason is ok with it. LOL what a dumb piece of chit Jason is

    News to Jason, its ok for debt to go up when you’re fighting to get out of a recession caused by your bush your other butt buddy. Why increase debt when the economy is supposedly booming? LOL

    Jason is a sewer dwelling rat. He doesn’t understand economics. It’s ok. I know this is a low IQ gathering, I should be nicer to him.

  1108. wvally says:

    Janz, I have a lot of respect for Ioannides and agree it would be great if someone like him could have a seat at the table. But realistically, he is swimming against the tide at this point, and it would be very politically damaging for Trump, who is not a scientist or expert by any means, to try to bring someone like him to the forefront and somehow constrain Fauci’s role. Trump really has no choice but to go with the team currently in place. I think the best he can do is what he’s already done—made HCQ more readily available for doctors to make their own choices in treating patients, which is already happening, and make the case to restart the economy ASAP.

    Btw I really enjoy your posts and your POV. You’re always a breath of fresh air amidst all these snarky A-holes.

  1109. Proud Obamacon says:

    “It does take a hit when you are here.

    ” LOL Jason trying comedy. Maybe he can do some stand-up at his local redneck moron club!

  1110. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason and all: BITCH BITCH BITCH complain about everything Obama and Democrats doing.

    When Orange and Rs do the same thing? Rah rah! yeah!! slobber!

    Jason the slobbering dog is a complete jackass with absolutely no principles. Actually I take that back, whatever WannabeKing Orange decides to do, Jason takes that position. SICK!!!

  1111. jason says:

    You gotta love the NYT.

    They give Biden a pass on sexual assault because “there is no pattern”.

    Well, kinda no pattern.

    “No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of our reporting, nor did any former Biden staff corroborate Reade’s allegation. We found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Biden, beyond hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable

    — The New York Times (@nytimes) April 12, 2020

  1112. jason says:

    This woman can actually remember when and where she was assaulted. She filed a report.

    But it was ok for a woman who could not even remember the day, month year or place where she was assaulted to try to derail a SCOTUS nominee.

  1113. jason says:

    Jason complained when debt went up under Obama, and now that debt is going up at an even higher rate, Jason is ok with it.”

    Huh, moron, YOU were the one that complained that Trump was printing money right?

    “Jason has no problem with unlimited QE, trillion dollar deficits, bottomless interest rates, printing trillions of dollars,”

    I just pointed out that Obama DOUBLED THE DEFICIT IN EIGHT YEARS FROM THE NUMBER POSTED BY ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER”

    And there is this gem..(which is a lie of course anyway)

    ‘its ok for debt to go up when you’re fighting to get out of a recession”

    So is it ok for the debt to go up when a virus puts 20 million people out of work?

  1114. Pitchaboy says:

    HCQ is a tricky drug. While it has proven anti inflammatory properties, those very cytokines it suppresses (which is why it is effective in autoimmune diseases) are the same cytokines that suppress viral penetrance and replication. Therefore, intuitively it should be detrimental in early COVID infections and beneficial later on when cytokine storm occurs. Yet clinical observation shows just the other way around. ThT is why you need RCT to study this with good numbers of patients. The “scientific establishment “ supports the scientific method for good reasons.

  1115. jason says:

    “amidst all these snarky A-holes”

    Snarky? I like it.

  1116. jason says:

    “The “scientific establishment “ supports the scientific method for good reasons.”

    I like this view from a real doctor vs. Tina’s “I hate Fauci and he wrong because is a Democrat”

  1117. Phil says:

    Yeah, with Kavanaugh not only no pattern but no instances period….over 35 years. Corroboration of his accuser’s claims? None. In fact, just the opposite. Those she named at the party in question didn’t remember a damned thing. Nothing. Oh, wait, the porn lawyer found someone. That was credible according to the NYT….until she ended up having to walk that one back. They gladly reported the accusation tho.

    Yeah, the NYT. Clown rag.

  1118. Paul says:

    Happy Easter to those who follow Jesus. Happy nice spring day to everyone else.

    We had about 50 people on a zoom Easter service. I am perfectly fine with not leaving the house. We had to prep one small corner of the house as “video worthy”.

  1119. Proud Obamacon says:

    No dumba$$ , i’m ok with fiscal stimulus as long as its not a no strings attached giveaway. You of course were not ok with it, until your Orange Dominatrix said he was ok with it, then all of the sudden YOU LOVED IT! You creamed your keyboard over and over ! sick

    I’m simply pointing out your blatant hypocrisy and blind following of your orange butt buddy. You too stupid to even see that. Not surprised you are a sewer rat after all.

    “So is it ok for the debt to go up when a virus puts 20 million people out of work?”

    Loosah please, trillion dollar deficits BEFORE corona was even a thing. #FACTS
    Highest avg deficit / year under Orange than under any other admin. #FACTS

    Jason just keeps lying and lying. Another moron punched in the face by #FACTS.

  1120. jason says:

    What Fauci actually said, we don’t need Tina to filter it

    “Fauci said, “You know, Jake, again, it’s the what would have, what could have. It’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. But you’re right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then.”

    Does anyone want to deny that if the shutdown had been done sooner, there would have been fewer deaths? Fauci is just saying hindsight is 20/20.

    The question was, with the information available, was it reasonable or even politically feasible to do that.

    Remember, DeBlasio in March was still telling people to go to restaurants and ride the subway and live their lives, still didn’t want to close schools. Cuomo was saying there was no problem. Nancy Pelosi was telling people to go to Chinatown.

    There was no political will to shut down the country in February, not by Trump or anyone else.

  1121. jason says:

    #FACTS”

    This is the fact the Marxist Leninist can’t cope with.

    “Obama DOUBLED THE DEFICIT IN EIGHT YEARS FROM THE NUMBER POSTED BY ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER”

  1122. jason says:

    And we should add, did we get anything out of it?

    No we got nothing out of 9 trillion in deficit spending.

    Except the lowest percentage of people working in history, the highest number of people on foods stamps, the worst “recovery” in History.

    Obama was the worst President in my lifetime, who bankrupted the country and was all about entitlements and give aways that accomplished absolutely nothing.

    His one “accomplishment” was a boondoggle of a health care bill that he had to payoff senators to pass without ONE Republican vote, 3000 pages of ideological garbage that did nothing for anybody’s healthcare, a complete failure and fiasco that increased costs and reduced benefits for 80% of Americans.

    Those are the FACTS.

  1123. Proud Obamacon says:

    Now Jason is reduced to saying the same thing over and over like a bot.

    His point is that the deficits were SOOOO BAD under Obama that when Orange took over and made them even worst, that everything is now great?! Say wha? DOES.NOT.COMPUTE!

    LOL Jason is a complete and utter fool.

    Another MagaBot defeated today. Wes yesterday, Jason today, down for the count, pray at the Orange Altar for healing, BITCH!

    Yall too weak. Go huddle up and bring better game next time.

    Later. Happy Easter.

  1124. jason says:

    Good numbers from Italy today +431 deaths is the lowest since they peaked.

  1125. jason says:

    Trump was presiding over the best economy in History before the virus.

    What did Obama preside over?

  1126. jason says:

    Here’s the thing, jason. Hydroxychloroquine is not “untested”.

    It is untested against Covid-19. The fact it was tested for another disease is valuable from the standpoint of what are side effects and tolerable dosages but it does not substitute for clinical trials for COVID-19

    Read Pitch’s post above, he is a physician actually treating people

    “HCQ is a tricky drug. While it has proven anti inflammatory properties, those very cytokines it suppresses (which is why it is effective in autoimmune diseases) are the same cytokines that suppress viral penetrance and replication. Therefore, intuitively it should be detrimental in early COVID infections and beneficial later on when cytokine storm occurs. Yet clinical observation shows just the other way around. ThT is why you need RCT to study this with good numbers of patients. The “scientific establishment “ supports the scientific method for good reasons.

  1127. Scooterboy says:

    I know this won’t come as a surprise to most here, but this PO guy is not a very bright fellow.

  1128. wvally says:

    While we’re on the subject of science, let’s look into a scientific study of trolling.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886914000324

    Abstract
    In two online studies (total N = 1215), respondents completed personality inventories and a survey of their Internet commenting styles. Overall, strong positive associations emerged among online commenting frequency, trolling enjoyment, and troll identity, pointing to a common construct underlying the measures. Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores. Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior. Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism. Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism.

  1129. Phil says:

    Numbers are in from Europe. Improvement across the board and particularly so in both deaths and new cases in Italy, Spain and Germany. UK stable in new cases and down in deaths. Really encouraging. France not in yet. Of course, this is the weekend and Easter weekend at that so we will have to see. Weekend numbers have been funky.

  1130. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And we should add, did we get anything out of it?

    No we got nothing out of 9 trillion in deficit spending.”

    Nothing? Depression averted, growth resumed after just 2 quarters, Stock market tripled, very low unemployment, largest expansion ever. Yeah, sure. This is nothing in Jason’s eyes because a D was at the helm. Even if the economy roared back with 10% GDP growth, Jason would still be bitching.

    “Trump was presiding over the best economy in History before the virus.”

    Which was basically the Obama economy which he weakened with deregulation, tax cuts, even more deficit spending, and lower rates. This put the economy into overdrive and made it crash and burn even harder when the Virus hit. The Obama economy would also have come down, but not to this extent. This is basic economics. Jason does not understand because he is a tool.

    Try again you dumb phuck. Must be miserable existence living in your outhouse complaining about Obama all day when we basically had a great 8 years under his administration.

  1131. jason says:

    Phil says:
    April 12, 2020 at 10:08 am

    Hey, remember 10 or 12 days ago all the media could talk about was ventilators ventilators ventilators?……Orange man not providing enough ventilators. People dropping like flies because Trump not providing ventilators. Yeah, I remember all that. Trump says we won’t need 30,000 ventilators and CNN goes nuts (more Trump happy talk).

    Well, guess what. Not a single person that needed a ventilator ever did without one and we’ve still got 8 to 10 thousand in reserve with another five thousand coming off the assembly lines mid week.”

    And testing. Remember when that was the buzz word to attack Trump?

    Well NY, the US epicenter, has now done 22500 tests per 1M/population, a higher number per capita than any major country in the world (some countries with small populations like Iceland, San Marino and UAE have done more per capita). But NY has done more than Italy, France, China, S Korea, Germany…

  1132. jason says:

    he Obama economy would also have come down, but not to this extent.”

    Well of course not, it would have been so much smaller.

    LOL

  1133. Tina says:

    Ny times caught deleting tweet on Biden’s harassment of women.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1249372310668263427/photo/1

  1134. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I know this won’t come as a surprise to most here, but this PO guy is not a very bright fellow.”

    OK I see Scooter has been tagged in to be the next victim. Is that all you got Scoot? You lead off with a personal attack and nothing else? You got nothing else?

    Damn, if Wes and Jason are the top dogs here, what does that say about everyone else here? I kinda feel sorry for yall now. But it’s ok. We will drag you out of your existence where you are told what to believe by Fox News and Russian memes. Maybe there will be hope for your children.

  1135. Wes says:

    I know, Scoot. He literally called me a MAGA bot.

    Last night he was claiming a Democrat Senate conformed Antonin Scalia.

    He’s like Hitler in the bunker playing with his toy soldiers as his world crumbles around him, having created a fantasy of victory after defeat became apparent.

  1136. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Well of course not, it would have been so much smaller.”

    Huh? What the phuck is that supposed to mean. You can’t even write basic english anymore. If the virus hit under Obama, yeah the market would have come down but not 40% like it has the last two months. The market was artificially high due to deficit spending and low rates, it went too high so it fell much harder. Again basic economics. I understand why you can’t grasp this, it’s because you are stupid dumbass.

  1137. Tina says:

    “ no sexual misconductt by Biden, other than hugs, kisses, and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable.”

  1138. Wes says:

    Of course PO literally peruses the thread looking for references to him so he can start trying to garner attention. I guess he has to have something to do while not impersonating Officer Doofy with the vacuum cleaner.

  1139. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Last night he was claiming a Democrat Senate conformed Antonin Scalia.


    Wes keeps repeating the same thing over and over which I corrected myself right away.

    But Wes and Jason can purposely make chit up and its all good. Keep living in your fantasy world while the rest of us drag you into the 21st century.

  1140. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes really should try his hand at stand up. Jason can join him. Add Scoot to the team and you got the new 3 Stooges! LOL

  1141. Wes says:

    Now you’re making up even more lies, PO.

    You didn’t correct yourself. I corrected you. Need I repost the relevant comments?

  1142. wvally says:

    . While it has proven anti inflammatory properties, those very cytokines it suppresses (which is why it is effective in autoimmune diseases) are the same cytokines that suppress viral penetrance and replication. Therefore, intuitively it should be detrimental in early COVID infections and beneficial later on when cytokine storm occurs. Yet clinical observation shows just the other way around.

    ***
    This is likely because in addition to suppressing cytokines, HCQ also has been shown to inhibit COVID penetration and replication in vitro. So it is working in two ways—both suppressing cytokine over-response while also inhibiting the virus directly.

    Anyhow, the studies are being done now so we’ll have clear evidence one way or the other soon enough.

  1143. Tina says:

    Fallacy admitted to this last night on a fox show.

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    · 8m
    Scott Gottlieb says @WHO enabled China’s obfuscation on coronavirus, and that it could have been containable had Beijing not lied to the world.
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/12/scott-gottlieb-china-who-coronavirus/…
    Show

  1144. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yes and I acknowledged the oversight right away.

    My points remained intact.

    Dems supported Scalia 47-0. Would GOP have supported Garland’s replacement unanimously? I’ll wait for your answer.

    Dem controlled Senate confirmed Thomas and Kennedy.

    Would the Mcconnel senate have confirmed any D appointee? I’ll wait for your answer

    Your argument that the Dems obstruct was shattered. I’m surprised your back for more. When your IQ is low, maybe that’s what you do.

  1145. Proud Obamacon says:

    Wes you’re already defeated. Scoot disappeared.

    Who’s next?

  1146. Scooterboy says:

    Yes Wes. I read your back and forth with PO last night. He got schooled. It appears he came back today for more education.

  1147. Wes says:

    Look, Officer Doofy. You aren’t getting anywhere by repeating the same talking points.

    The fact is that Democrats got exactly what they deserved. Bork was the opening salvo in the judicial wars when Ted Kennedy speciously claimed Bork would bring back back-alley abortions.

    Years later, Democrats held up lower-level nominees such as Miguel Estrada. Republicans didn’t forget and returned the favor.

    Obama himself was an advocate of blocking GWB’s nominees. Well, McConnell reciprocated.

    Too bad for you, Officer Doofy.

    Your side wanted to start a war over judges. Republicans just fought back.

    That’s what bothers you the most: Mitch McConnell doesn’t just lie down and take what the Dems give him. He bides his time and hits back.

    This is politics. You should quit blubbering like a baby when your political opposition fires back after your opening salvo, Officer Doofy.

  1148. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Scoot. Is Scoot 12 years old? Wes, you did great. Nice job. Jason too. Great job everyone. Now let’s huddle up and get our ass beat by Proud Obamacon again. 1-2-3 MAGA ! LOLLLLLL

  1149. wvally says:

    While the article I posted above characterizes trolls primarily as sadists, I’ve always thought of them as likely being lonely wankers—literally.

  1150. Proud Obamacon says:

    Yeah Wes you did concede in the end that Turtle was just playing politics and wanting revenge, Democratic customs be damned. It shows the RETHUGS dont give a damm about the constitution and neither do you. Its all about revenge. You did admit that, I give you credit for being honest.

    Now for those of us who still believe in Democracy and Constitution, GTFO of our way.

  1151. Scooterboy says:

    New.

    Britain’s Conservative Party hits a new record high in the polls

    Conservatives 55%
    Labour 29%

    26 point lead

  1152. Wes says:

    Officer Doofy, it’s hilarious when you claim Democrats care about the Constitution and the Law.

    This is the party that blocked multiple Circuit Court nominees with phantom filibusters then changed the rules when Republicans did the same to them.

    It’s the same party whose President the Supreme Court slapped down 9-0 for declaring himself the person who controls when the Senate is in session.

    It’s also the same party that got the New Jersey Supreme Court to throw out clear election law when Bob Torricelli became toxic in his re-election bid.

    You don’t care about anything but power, Officer Doofy. You just hate when Republicans don’t roll over and play dead after all the sleaze your party engages in.

  1153. VictrC says:

    Republicans in the Senate have confirmed each and every Democratic nominee for the SC before Garland. EVERY ONE. Even Sotahatewhitey by a 2/3rd majority, despite being the most unqualified candidate in the Republic’s history. She literally is a SC member because of her gender and race, and nothing else.

    Meanwhile the Dems have voted no on three recent SC justice nominations brought up by Republicans, and Slimy Schumer and bunch have given the lowest vote totals for confirming SC judges for the last two highly qualified Supreme Court nominees.

  1154. Tina says:

    Governor Dimwit has banned the sale of American flags.

    They are non essential.

    Lottery tickets can be purchased.

  1155. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC tagged in – aight then. He’s a worthy opponent, but still should be easy to defeat.

    “Republicans in the Senate have confirmed each and every Democratic nominee for the SC before Garland. EVERY ONE”

    So why not confirm Garland? A 63 yr old white guy who excited no body. It was an try by Obama to meet Turtle more than half way.

  1156. VictrC says:

    Garland was not an attempt to meet half way, lets be intellectually honest with each other. Garland was just less extreme than some of the other, younger justices he wanted to nominate.

    As well, Obama was a bright man and knew that Garland would never be confirmed, which is why he nominated him, to gain political cover. Garland is not who Obama wanted, but for all his faults, dumb he was not. He very smartly chose someone who, at least in liberal circles, would be “moderate.” (Remember your side now qualifies Ginsburg as a centrist!)

    With that said, had the shoe been on the other foot, An R President and Schumer leader of teh Senate, he would have done the EXACT SAME THING. Anyone who claims different is just not being honest with others, or themselves. And, I would have expected him to do so.

    Regardless, you have Garland, R’s have 3 non confirmed Justices, so I guess, were still two behind ;).

    To close, who knows, maybe if Obama had nominated someone else after Garland who was less offensive they could have gotten confirmed, but we will never know, because unlike the Kennedy situation Obama never nominated anyone else.

  1157. lisab says:

    If Garland had received a vote and was rejected Dems still would have lost their minds. Just like they will if a Conservative replaces Ginsburg. Lord, i can not even imagine that hearing. R’s could nominate Jesus and no dem would vote to confirm.
    ———————–

    romney **might**

    50-50 chance

  1158. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Even Sotahatewhitey by a 2/3rd majority, despite being the most unqualified candidate in the Republic’s history. She literally is a SC member because of her gender and race, and nothing else.”

    Then why vote to confirm her? Your attack on Justice Sotomayor is absolutely disgusting by the way. You are a really really sick individual.

    VC off to a rough start today.

  1159. VictrC says:

    A. They voted to confirm her because some felt it was the right thing to do. I would have voted to confirm Kagan, she was qualified. Just because I didn’t like her politics would be no reason to not vote for her. Advise and consent means something.

    Sotomayor is a racist. Flat out racists. There is nothing disgusting about what I said, its the truth. She is unqualified. She was confirmed because she is a woman and Hispanic. That’s it. There were literally 100’s if not more candidates more deserving, more intelligent, better jurists, the list goes on. Sorry if you find the truth disgusting, but it is the truth.

  1160. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Garland was not an attempt to meet half way, lets be intellectually honest with each other. Garland was just less extreme than some of the other, younger justices he wanted to nominate.”

    So you proved my point, thanks.

    “With that said, had the shoe been on the other foot, An R President and Schumer leader of teh Senate, he would have done the EXACT SAME THING. Anyone who claims different is just not being honest with others, or themselves. And, I would have expected him to do so.”

    So you’re saying it was wrong but that D’s would have done it too. Good to see you view Turtle’s actions as wrong.

    “Regardless, you have Garland, R’s have 3 non confirmed Justices, so I guess, were still two behind ;).”

    Wrong, R’s got their 3 judges thanks to D votes. Bork didn’t get it, but D’s did vote for Kennedy. Same with the others. In the Garland situation, no appointee was getting in. Very very different. You are flat wrong as usual.

  1161. Proud Obamacon says:

    “To close, who knows, maybe if Obama had nominated someone else after Garland who was less offensive they could have gotten confirmed, but we will never know, because unlike the Kennedy situation Obama never nominated anyone else.”

    Wrong again, Turtle was never letting any appointee even have a hearing.

  1162. Proud Obamacon says:

    Weak start VC. Try again.

    And please don’t act like the R’s never obstruct. Wes also keeps bringing up Estrada. Well, need I remind you about how Kagan was treated by the R’s in 99 when she was appointed by Clinton to the Appeals court?

    Very weak, I expect better from you VC.

  1163. lisab says:

    Well Bitter, since you decided to tally up the pro- and anti-Fauci factions on HHR, I suppose I’ll weigh in. I’ve been holding out because my feelings are ambivalent.
    —————————–

    i am not actually pro or anti fauci

    i have just pointed out that mathematical models for maximums — e.g. “what is the greatest number of people who could die from covid?” — are by nature worst case scenario type models.

  1164. VictrC says:

    I never said it was wrong. Please don’t put words in my mouth to support your argument.

    I think it was 100% the correct thing to do. I think Garland on the SC would have destroyed America as we know it, and I agree with the decision wholeheartedly.

    I think that while you are entitled to your opinion, that it is absolutely wrong for America. Americans don’t want to be like New York and California. They are the antithesis of what made this country great, of what build this country up to be the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

    I think Democrat policies go against all that has made humankind great. The spirit of work, the spirit of invention, or rewarding someone for their ingenuity and the great American spirit of self reliance. I don’t want to live in a world full of immoral, government dependent, selfish people who think government is the answer, when government is the problem.

    So therefore, I fully support not confirming Garland.

  1165. jason says:

    Wow, Cuomo destroys two talking points against Trump.

    “The federal government has something called the Defense Production Act, DPA they call it, which I’ve been saying from day one is a very powerful tool for the federal government to use when they need to secure a product in the defense of this nation,” Cuomo said. “This is in the defense of this nation. The federal government has used it effectively. They’ve used it in this situation more as a point of leverage than anything else. Basically saying to a company, ‘We need you to do this. We do have the Defense Production Act that we could use.’”

    and:

    “A question that I’ve had from day one and when you look back at this, where were the horns that should have been triggered backere there, and if you don’t know the answer, then how do you know it’s not going to happen again? Right? Fool me once.” in December and January?” Cuomo asked. “Where were the warning signs? Who was supposed to blow the whistle? The president has asked this question, and I think he’s right.”

    “The president, his answer is the World Health Organization should have been blowing the whistle,” Cuomo continued. “I don’t know enough to know if that’s right or wrong, but I know the question is right, and sometimes the question is more important than the answer. How did this happen? I mean, I still want to know how this happened because the warning signs were there, and if you don’t know the answer, then how do you know it’s not going to happen again? Right? Fool me once.”

  1166. VictrC says:

    Again, I never said the R’s don’t obstruct. It is a tool used by both parties. Neither is blameless, please, again, stop putting words in my mouth.

  1167. jason says:

    Wrong again, Turtle was never letting any appointee even have a hearing.”

    Zzzzzzzz….

    Maybe Obama could have appointed someone who was not a flaming 2nd amendment hating liberal…

  1168. Wes says:

    Did Republicans launch a phantom filibuster against Kagan in 1999, Officer Doofy?

    Did Republicans refuse to confirm Circuit Court judges even in emergency situations for political reasons, Officer Doofy?

    You try to pretend the Dems are pure on this. They most certainly are not. They started the judicial wars and, along with their mindless sycophants like you, whined and moaned when Republicans fought back.

    Live with it, Officer Doofy. Elections have consequences. Your party operates under the delusion that it will be in power forever. They run roughshod over Republicans then and cry like little bitches when the GOP returns the favor.

    A bunch of hypocrites and pussies, I tell you.

  1169. jason says:

    Mitch McConnell 2013

    When the “nuclear option” was first used, then Senate minority leader and now majority leader, Mitch McConnell, proclaimed a warning to the Democrats.

    “You’ll regret this,” he said. “And you may regret this a lot sooner than you think.”

    It sounds like Roadkill Maggot is regretting it.

    Karma is a bitch.

  1170. Tina says:

    Mark Cuban hints that he may enter the presidential race

    Faux News, Wallace.

  1171. Wes says:

    Officer Doofy forgets Dems’ treatment of GWB’s judicial nominees was a major factor in the 2002 and 2004 Senate elections, both of which saw Democrats lose ground. Dems didn’t learn and continued to play politics from 2007 to 2017. Republicans finally shut them completely down during the Gorsuch hearings.

    Officer Doofy doesn’t like that because Dems are never supposed to suffer repercussions for their actions.

  1172. Proud Obamacon says:

    VC is all over the place. Voting for Sotomayor was “the right thing go do”, he would have voted for Kagan. But he “fully supports” not confirming Garland.

    Clear as mud .. as usual.

  1173. jason says:

    Obama knew Rs would not confirm someone who was overtly against the 2nd amendment, he didn’t even pretend like most Dems “I believe in the 2nd amendment, I just don’t think law abiding citizens should have guns”.

    It was a non-starter. A deal breaker from the start. It would be like a R President appointing a SCOTUS judge with a Dem majority senate who declared beforehand “I will reverse Roe vs. Wade”
    if you appoint me.

    Obama went ahead anyway.

  1174. Proud Obamacon says:

    All the Stooges are back LOL!!!

    “It sounds like Roadkill Maggot is regretting it.”

    Don’t regret a damn thing. Turtle should go ahead and kill the filibuster too. Do it, Turtle!

  1175. Victrc says:

    I absolutely never said voting for so to mayor was the right thing to do. She should have been rejected based on advise and consent. She was not qualified. Karan was.

    The garland move was justified.

    If you’re going to criticize please get my very clear positions correct.

  1176. jason says:

    Tina hardest hit.

    “Fauci Rejects CNN Doctor’s Assessment of Trump Admin’s Coronavirus Response

    South Korea announced its first coronavirus cases around the same time the U.S. did, back in January. Yet, two months later and the U.S. has 50 times more cases and almost 100 times more fatalities. CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta has suggested that that discrepancy is because the U.S. did not act quickly enough on its mitigation efforts.

    “i think that we acted late, Jake,” he told CNN host Jake Tapper on Sunday’s “State of the Union.”

    He added that we “did not test adequately,” and it allowed the virus to circulate in communities across the country.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told Tapper that Gupta’s assessment was “unfair.”

    “You know it isn’t as simple as that, Jake, I’m sorry,” Fauci responded.

  1177. Phil says:

    French numbers in. Well down from yesterday in both new cases and number of deaths.

    Italy, Spain, Germany, France, and UK numbers all VERY positive today.

  1178. jason says:

    Don’t regret a damn thing.”

    Excellent. We want to thank the Soviet lapdog and Harry Reid and we look forward to many more appointments.

    As of April 1, 2020, the United States Senate has confirmed 193 Article III judges nominated by President Trump, including 2 Associate Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, 51 judges for the United States Courts of Appeals, 138 judges for the United States District Courts, and 2 judges for the United States Court of International Trade.[2] There are currently 38 nominations to Article III courts awaiting Senate action, including 37 for the District Courts and 1 for the Court of International Trade. There is currently 1 vacancy on the U.S. Courts of Appeals, 72 vacancies on the U.S. District Courts, 2 vacancies on the U.S. Court of International Trade and 5 announced federal judicial vacancies that will occur before the end of Trump’s first term (1 for the Courts of Appeals and 4 for District Courts).”

  1179. jason says:

    Phil, the US numbers look ok too so far. I think we will be lower than yesterday in both cases and deaths. Will have a better idea when the MI, MA and IL numbers come in.

  1180. jason says:

    It sounds like Roadkill Maggot is regretting it.”

    Don’t regret a damn thing.”

    Don’t you love HHR?

    Where else can you refer to Roadkill Maggot and someone owns up to it?

  1181. jason says:

    Full disclosure.

    I owned up to “snarky A-hole”.

  1182. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Horribly irresponsible Sweden, which never adopted mandatory quarantine regulations, and whose restaurants and businesses remained open, continues to have a decline in new COVID-19 cases:

    April 8 726
    April 9 722
    April 10 544
    April 11 466

    If you go online, mainstream media continues to shame Sweden for its inaction.

  1183. Proud Obamacon says:

    Enjoy Wes. What goes around comes around.

    We taking notes.

    Thanks for setting a bunch of really nice precedents for us! LOL

  1184. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Happy to hear that Boris Johnson was discharged from the hospital, and will continue his recovery at home.

  1185. Tina says:

    w York Times edits Joe Biden sexual assault coverage, deletes references to past inappropriate ‘hugs, kisses and touching’

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyt-stealth-edits-biden-sexual-assault-coverage-to-remove-references-to-past-inappropriate-hugs-kisses-and-touching

  1186. lisab says:

    garland was not rejected

    he would be on the court today

    had hillary won

  1187. jason says:

    Enjoy Wes. What goes around comes around.”

    Harry Reid will be the first to agree.

  1188. jason says:

    garland was not rejected

    he would be on the court today”

    I doubt she would have renominated him.

  1189. jason says:

    And I don’t think the R senate would have confirmed somebody with his 2nd amendment views.

  1190. lisab says:

    perhaps not,

    but several republican senators stated they would vote during the lame duck congress

    because garland was the best deal they would be likely to get

    if hillary won

  1191. jason says:

    Not that I think she would have nominated anyone better.

    Just that I think she would have viewed him as damaged goods.

  1192. lisab says:

    #WhyImNotVotingForJoe

    is trending on twitter

  1193. jason says:

    but several republican senators stated they would vote during the lame duck congress”

    Yeah, but McConnell was not one of them. And saying you will entertain something and actually doing it were 2 different things.

    Besides, the Rs kept the senate so they still had the upper hand, Hillary could appoint a liberal but not batsh-t crazy one.

  1194. Pitchaboy says:

    Sweden may turn into the model for our rural areas and mot suburban areas. Won’t work in our big cities. Gutsy leaders there.

  1195. Wes says:

    Officer Doofy has selective amnesia about what Daschle, Reid, and Schumer did and tried to do to GOP judicial appointees.

    Dems fired their salvos, and Republicans fires back.

    Republicans did take notes and returned the favor after Democrats declared war.

  1196. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Fauci is beginning to sound like Trump.

    “Dr. Fauci, an influential member of President Trump’s coronavirus task force, told the Fox News show “Watters’ World” that as the diseases spread to more people in mid-January in China’s Hubei Province and Wuhan city, the communist government said that human contagion was minimal.

    Both assertions were “clearly not correct … that was misinformation right from the beginning,” he said.

    COVID-19 was in fact a highly contagious disease already being seeded by Chinese travelers in mid-January to the U.S. and Europe, where it has killed thousands.

    “Early on we did not get correct information and the incorrect information was propagated right from the beginning,” Dr. Fauci said Saturday night.”

  1197. Wes says:

    Fired* back.

    Damn autocorrect.

  1198. Country Dick Montana says:

    Enjoy Wes. What goes around comes around.”

    So much for that bipartisanship thing that we keep hearing about. Guess that we are back to subjugation.

  1199. lisab says:

    Joe Biden was nominated to win over moderate Republicans. I am not a moderate Republican. #WhyImNotVotingForJoe

  1200. jason says:

    Garland was no “moderate”. Let’s dispel that notion outright.

    There are graphs showing where he would stand based on prior opinions. He is way over on the left just slightly to the right of Breyer but not very much. Not even close to the “middle”.

  1201. jason says:

    I am fine with the movement but I don’t think Biden was nominated to win over moderate Republicans.

    He was nominated to thwart Bernie and to try to get back blue collar Dems from Trump.

  1202. lisab says:

    joe biden was propped up by the mainstream media & the @dnc
    . all candidates dropped out to throw their support to him knowing that he’s an awful candidate. i will not allow the democratic party to shove a segregationist & alleged rapist down my throat. #WhyImNotVotingForJoe

  1203. lisab says:

    “I am fine with the movement but I don’t think Biden was nominated to win over moderate Republicans.”
    ————————

    i am just posting some of the more interesting twitter arguments, i am not supporting them

  1204. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1257. Actually 87% of Sweden’s population live in urban areas.

    One factor that makes voluntary measures work in Sweden is the population is very law-abiding, and will follow the regulations as if they were mandatory. Also Swedes already are somewhat aloof, and do not like to get too close to other people. In normal life Swedes practice social distancing.

  1205. lisab says:

    #WhyImNotVotingForJoe He is a rapist, segregation apologist, racist, zionist, warmonger, and corporate shill. Capitalism must end, American imperialism must end. If it takes letting Trump burn the US to the ground, so be it.

  1206. lisab says:

    There are many reasons I could never vote for Joe, but to keep it simple: Anyone who can belong to the modern-day Democrat Party despite the fact that they stand against everything this country was founded upon is not to be trusted with holding office.

  1207. Country Dick Montana says:

    1267-The other thing that the Swedes and other Scandinavian countries have going for them is that they are culturally homogeneous, about 95% Scandinavian. There is a shared culture and shared responsibilities to each other.

    One can say the same about the Asian countries, even the democratic ones. They are hardwired from birth to accept authority and respect age.

    A free wheeling, multicultural society does not have those particular advantages when it comes to respect and trust in the Government. The US was founded on and its people hardwired to be very skeptical of our nominal leaders.

  1208. lisab says:

    #WhyImNotVotingForJoe Because he’s a serial liar, a warmonger, votes GOP, has been credibly accused of rape, didn’t get the nomination legitimately, and is a Wall St. puppet. Dems have made quite clear they don’t want or need progressives, so I will #VoteGreen .

  1209. Pitchaboy says:

    I am fully aware that most of Sweden lives in urban areas. What is good for the Swedish goose will not be good for the US gander for multiple reasons: demographics, socio-economic factors, comorbidities like obesity, diabetes, to name a few.

  1210. wvally says:

    Full disclosure. I owned up to “snarky A-hole”.

    ****

    Oh please Jason as if that was hard. Everyone around here either is or has an affinity for snarky A-holes.

    Even the lonely wankers.

  1211. Victrc says:

    Seems loudmouth Mark Cuban is contemplating a presidential run. If any of you think Trump is an egotistical, loudmouth, self centered narcissist well, Cuban makes Trump look like an amateur +18 handicap.

    Cuban has had one success in life, taking yahoo to the cleaners with a product that never had any chance of creating revenue and whose licenses were almost up.

    He’s ridden that horse to death.

    Now, should he join the race I think he hurts the dem more than Trump. Cuban goes nowhere in the south so those electoral college votes stay. He won’t help Biden in Texas because he’s LOATHED outside of Dallas, where does he help Biden win??

  1212. mRviTO says:

    1273 That member just pounded A-holes.

  1213. Robbie says:

    On the 35th day of their national lockdown, Italy recorded another 4092 cases of coronavirus. That number is little more than a third less than the peak the country set more than three weeks ago. If lockdowns and stay-at-home orders are so effective, why is Italy still recording so many cases? Shouldn’t their number of cases be close to or at zero at this point?

    Clearly, lockdowns are not the panacea epidemiologists, the foul press rooting on disaster, and world leaders believe them to be. If they were, the crisis would have ended long ago. Fourteens days may have been the longest recorded incubation period seen in China, but the average appears to be five days so here we are, seven incubation cycles later, and Italy is still in bade shape.

    I hate to say this, but, if you haven’t figured it out already, these lockdowns put in place by our governors aren’t going to end any time soon. Sure a state like Texas might ease a bit, but states like those with Democrat governors have no intentions of letting the American people live their lives unimpeded. This is their dream scenario. Everyone is subservient to elected leaders. They’ve got us under their fists and they’re not going to give up these powers easily.

    Honestly, how often do leaders give up powers given to them in emergencies? Answer: almost never.

    Regardless of facts, I expect it may take civil unrest in some areas to break the will of certain governors.

  1214. jason says:

    “Solomon: Durham Has Subpoenaed, Questioned Witnesses Before a D.C. Grand Jury”

    One can always hope, but until I see the indictments I won’t get excited.

  1215. Tina says:

    Here is the Ky Gestapo.

    Notice how those following orders are not wearing masks or gloves.

    Could the fascist governor given them some? They could have borrowed some from the Tiik Tom Nurses dancing like stooges.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ladd_sarah/status/1249355608752603139

  1216. Tina says:

    Indictments from a DC Jury of a coup plotter?

    Not likely.

  1217. Tina says:

    I thought Governor Dimwit banned the drug? Fascist pig.

    David Martosko
    @dmartosko
    ·
    12h
    Good news …. my relative who was in ICU / #COVID19 isolation is off the ventilator and texting family members that she’s doing well. Doctors treated her with #Hydroxychloroquine and #Azithromycin. This is my 67-year-old aunt in Michigan who has long been immunosuppressed.

  1218. wvally says:

    What’s really strange about Biden is that he was mostly coherent during the Dem debates, and now he can’t string a sentence together. What happened?

  1219. Tina says:

    Has anybody heard from Biden since Wednesday?

    He had a snack ideas podcast with Governor Dimwitt.

    Then said he was being locked in his basement,

  1220. jason says:

    “If lockdowns and stay-at-home orders are so effective, why is Italy still recording so many cases? Shouldn’t their number of cases be close to or at zero at this point?”

    Amoral Scumbag just salivating for more economic bad news and more deaths…

    But as he is always wrong, he is wrong about Italy too. If he wants bad news, he will have to sniff it out elsewhere.

    Every country, region and state has different peaks and different curves. NY had a steep curve up and now will have a steep curve down. The cases should be insignificant by May 1. Texas has a flatter curve, will not peak until around April 27th (with 66 deaths) and will only get down to almost zero deaths around June 1st.

    Italy also will have a steep down curve too. The projection is almost no new cases by May 30th.

    So if Amoral Scumbag is hoping Italy will be his show case for “lock down forever”, sorry.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

  1221. jason says:

    Sorry Italy almost no cases by April 30th, not May 30th.

  1222. jason says:

    More of Dr Fallacy here:”

    Poor Tina must be going crazy searching the conspiracy sites to find something, just anything, to attack Dr. Fauci.

    Pretty soon she will be saying he jay walked in 1983.

  1223. jason says:

    Indictments from a DC Jury of a coup plotter?

    Not likely.”

    That is why until I see the indictments I am not opening any champagne.

  1224. jason says:

    Oh please Jason as if that was hard. Everyone around here either is or has an affinity for snarky A-holes.”

    This is true.

    Who wouldn’t want to be an A-hole?

    But sorry, A-holes are currently closed for new members.

  1225. Phil says:

    Robbie is right about one thing, however. The blue state governors will put off opening up their states as long as possible. Some will have to be dragged kicking and screaming. They love the control over people’s lives. It’s why they became Democrats in the first place.

  1226. Tina says:

    If Texas reopens, other states will follow.

    It’s either that, lawsuits against the fascists, and then civil unrest.

  1227. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-need-politicians-in-a-pandemic-11586710824?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    “The conceit that everyone must bow to ‘science’ is not only undemocratic but dangerous in its own right.”

    Behind the paywall at WSJ, but worth looking at the first paragraph.

    Science is one part of the equation and needs to be factored in. Scientists, who also tend to specialize look at things from their own perspective. Thus the many calls from the epidemic experts to shut everything down until we have a vaccine or immunity. Their goal is to save all the lives that they can from this particular illness. Economists, businesses, mental health professionals and others may look at things through a totally different set of criteria and come up with differing solutions.

    Trump said that the cure can’t be worse than the disease. There was an old Vietnam War era saying

    “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”

  1228. Tina says:

    This must have been a conspiracy theory.

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    · Jan 9
    There’s no evidence that the virus, a coronavirus, is readily spread by humans, and it has not been tied to any deaths. But health officials in China and internationally are watching it carefully.
    https://nyti.ms/39QI0Bl

  1229. jason says:

    What’s really strange about Biden is that he was mostly coherent during the Dem debates, and now he can’t string a sentence together. What happened?”

    Well, in most of the debates he really didn’t have to say much. He probably was given the questions in advance and he didn’t get into any long exchanges. Even so, mostly coherent is not really coherent.

    I am not so sure scripting him to death is going to help him. While unscripted he has a tendency for gaffes, but he comes across as folksy. Scripted, he forgets the script and just goes off the track trying to get back to it.

    Its like do you want gaffe prone or demented, one or the other.

  1230. Tina says:

    It would be nice if Bar Stool got off his arse and had the doj start charging these fascists with assorted crimes.

    Let’s see cannot buy a car seat in Michigan but marijuana and lottery tickets are “essential.”

  1231. jason says:

    Robbie is right about one thing, however.”

    Not really. Everyone knows the Dems want the economy to crash because it is bad for Trump. So does he.

    But if you really look at what he is saying, he is saying social distancing does not work because (wrongly) he says Italy is not getting over the virus (it is).

    “If lockdowns and stay-at-home orders are so effective, why is Italy still recording so many cases? Shouldn’t their number of cases be close to or at zero at this point?”

    This says all you want to know about Amoral Scumbag.

    Italy is supposed to go to zero in about 2-3 weeks. What will be his talking point then?

  1232. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    SDC, Wes, Tina and Others:
    Any thoughts about the Special Election next month in the CA CD-25 race?
    The GOP has a Latino, ex-military pilot as its flagbearer.
    This Lefty political analyst thinks the GOP has a really good shot at winning.

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3834432/posts

  1233. jason says:

    The Dems Govs are giving us a great preview of what the country would be like if they had unlimited power.

    Be very afraid, it is not pretty.

  1234. PresidentPaul! says:

    “Recent findings regarding the origin of COVID-19 continue to support our January reporting that the disease may have originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology – which was experimenting with bat coronavirus found to be 96% genetically identical to COVID-19.”

    “Also disturbing is that the lab had been operating in part on a $3.7 million grant from the US government.”


    In response to news that the US was partially funding the institute, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-CA) said “I’m disgusted to learn that for years the US government has been funding dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute, which may have contributed to the global spread of coronavirus, and research at other labs in China that have virtually no oversight from US authorities.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/explosive-report-wuhan-biolab-captured-bats-caves-traced-covid-19-outbreak-had-us-funding

  1235. Tina says:

    Daily beast is concerned that trumps team have savaged China Biden on China.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-fear-trumps-china-bashing-on-coronavirus-is-working?ref=scroll

  1236. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1289. Agree. A lot of what Robbie is saying about the CORVID-19 lock-down I agree with.

  1237. jason says:

    Biden is running the risk of being defined as demented and out of touch before the campaign even starts.

    As Bitter often points out, people who aren’t political junkies might have a different view of Biden, and people see what they want in a candidate.

    Still, IF such a view does get to be more mainstream it is extremely hard if not impossible to reverse.

    GHWB was out of touch and clueless. McCain was out of touch and too old. Gore was a pathological liar. Hillary was untrustworthy and dishonest.

    Once these perceptions become a majority opinion, as it was with the above candidates, you are not going to shake it. The only way you are going to win is if you can make the opponent look even worse.

    Trump was considered a joke by most, but he defined “crooked Hillary”. GWB was defined as a dumb cowboy known as “shrub”, but he defined Kerry as a Boston elitist, more people liked cowboys than Boston snobs.

  1238. janz says:

    Mike Garcia is a great candidate. He was able to beat an impressive array of GOP candidates in the primary, and think he has a good chance in the upcoming special. I actually think there might also be a democrat-majority-fatigue syndrome settling in some CA voters. Anyway, hope that’s the case.

  1239. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/its-still-america-virus-or-not-11586718091?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

    “Americans by and large have willingly obeyed the government’s shelter-in-place and social-distancing orders, but that doesn’t seem to be enough for some public officials. They’re indulging their inner bully in ways that over time will erode public support for behavior that can reduce the spread of coronavirus.”

  1240. Tina says:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    · 26m
    Governors, get your states testing programs & apparatus perfected. Be ready, big things are happening. No excuses! The Federal Government is there to help. We are testing more than any country in the World. Also, gear up with Face Masks!

  1241. jason says:

    Yes, there could be a backlash against fascists governors that would cause a surge in Coronavirus and a backlash against Trump. Life is full of twists and turns.

  1242. Cash Cow TM says:

    https://tornadopaths.org/

    Just yesterday, Cow predicted tornadoes would soon be here.

  1243. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1296. The last time I was in California’s 25th congressional district the hillside on my right side was on fire. Wasn’t too worried until noticed some of the road signs were in flames too.

    A very tight race; in the primary the total vote the Democratic candidates got was 51%; and for the Republican candidates 49%. Christy Smith finished first with 36% of the vote; to Garcia’s 25%. She is better known and a good campaigner, and the Democrats are pouring money in.

    Because of the epidemic, Governor Newsom ordered all voters to receive an absentee ballot. There is also supposed to be some sort of in person voting.

    If I had to make a prediction, I would say Smith is favored, but Garcia could pull off an upset. A lot of Hispanics who receive absentee ballots may vote for him. Hispanics make up 45% of the district; and many are affluent.

  1244. Phil says:

    There will be a backlash against Trump regardless of which way Trump goes.

    Open up the economy – backlash
    Wait to open the economy – backlash

    The Democrats and their media puppets will lead the backlash from the cheap seats against anything Trump decides.

    We’ve watched these guys operate our entire lives. Anyone expect them to act any different crisis or no crisis? Anyone??

    I didn’t think so.

  1245. Robbie says:

    If Italy recorded more than 6500 cases two weeks into their national lockdown and then recorded 4092 cases 22 days later with a strict lockdown, what is the evidence the lockdown is working? If people are not permitted out and about to spread a virus, then how are people still becoming ill?

    Obviously, I know Italy has unique circumstances. They have an older population and they have a lot of people who live in multi-generation households. Still, a drop of just one third three weeks after the peak? Clearly, there’s plenty about the transmissibility of the virus we don’t understand.

  1246. Phil says:

    Come on SD.

    You know what is going to happen IN THE 25TH.

    It’s SPELLED B A L L O T H A R V E S T I N G

    THE NECESSARY VOTES WILL BE “GATHERED” AND DUMPED.

  1247. Tina says:

    And Russian stooge, Schiffty, is in the back ground, ready to investigate.

  1248. Tina says:

    “Right wing stunt”

    WIRED
    @WIRED
    A right-wing stunt to pin the blame for Covid-19 on the World Health Organization actually contains a useful notion. There is at least some reason to suspect that WHO knowingly and consequentially misled us.

    The Right-Wing Plan to Investigate WHO Isn’t Totally Wrong
    A right-wing stunt to pin the blame for Covid-19 on the World Health Organization actually contains a useful notion.
    wired.com
    7:46 AM · Apr 12, 2020·SocialFlow

  1249. jason says:

    This is the evidence the lockdown is working in Italy.

    Even a lying moron should be able to see the trend.

    Deaths per day
    3/27 969
    3/30 814
    4/3 766
    4/6 636
    4/9 610
    4/12 412
    4/17 101 (projected)
    4/28 10 (projected)
    5/15 0 (projected)

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy

  1250. Tina says:

    Jordan Schachtel
    @JordanSchachtel
    ·
    7h
    Gates-controlled IHME, which produces “Murray model” for COVID-19, says efforts to provide daily updates have “proven unrealistic.” Too much “effort required.”

    IHME admits they cant “vet large amounts of data.” Would have been nice to know sooner, since it’s dictating US policy!

  1251. jason says:

    Personally I think it might take longer than that when the model updates tomorrow but in any case the trend is very clear.

  1252. jason says:

    IHME admits they cant “vet large amounts of data.” Would have been nice to know sooner, since it’s dictating US policy”

    Zzzzz….

    Fake news

    Why don’t you mention that all they did was decide to update the data every 3 days instead of every day.

    There was too much data to do a daily update, which makes sense. A d