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Trump Leads Biden in TX By Only 5%

Donald Trump would be expected to win in the state of Texas, but only having a 5% lead in a new poll from the University of Texas and The Texas Tribune continues to show Trump in trouble.

PRESIDENT – TEXAS (UT/TT)
Donald Trump (R-inc) 49%
Joe Biden (D) 44%

This poll was done April 10-19 among 1200 registered voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:10 am
Filed under: General | Comments (607)

607 Responses to “Trump Leads Biden in TX By Only 5%”

  1. Bitterlaw says:

    First

  2. MichiganGuy says:

    Yep, dave ‘never trump’ wissing strikes again. You knew if he post a poll with Trump leading; he would look for a way to take a cheap shot at Trump. Don’t worry dave only 4 more years of Trump 🙂

  3. Bitterlaw says:

    Trump won Texas 52-43 in 2016. This poll is a decline from that margin.

  4. Scooterboy says:

    Dave actually believes that Trump is up only 5% in Texas? Lol.
    Well bless his heart.

  5. Phil says:

    Trump will win Texas by 9 or 10 points.

    The actual question is who will actually end up being the candidate on the Democratic ballot.

    That’s the real story, folks.

  6. hugh says:

    He will romp in TX and do very well with Hispanics. bigger win than last time. these polls should be used for toilet paper.

  7. MichiganGuy says:

    Phil I agree. The Democrats are in such disarray right now. Biden can’t unite his party. While Trump has the Republican party unified. If Trump stops taking reporters questions and the coronavirus starts to get under control. He will be in good shape.

  8. mnw says:

    I think Trump’s re-elect chances are at the mercy of events. I also think Trump has to win for the GOP to have any chance at holding the Senate.

  9. Phil says:

    Trump is 50-50 in November. as I said, the question is who will end up being on the Democratic ballot.

    nobody is talking about that.

    They should be.

  10. Phil says:

    What mnw just said. Agree completely on both points.

  11. Hugh says:

    9. I agree. Similarly whoever wins the White House wins the house. If trump wins those 31 districts the republicans will pick up most if not all of those seats.

  12. Hugh says:

    I think the odds on predictit are about right.

  13. PresidentPaul! says:

    I’m a bit confused why Trump didn’t just expand the strategic oil reserve.

    The US would have to pay….errrr the US would be paid 40 dollars for every barrel of oil they are given by the oil industries for taking their oil.

  14. Waingro says:

    #9, if Trump loses big sure, but I don’t see how Senate flips if Trump loses in a close election, which I’m convinced this is going to be.

  15. Waingro says:

    #10, Phil you really think they are gonna pull the rug out from Biden? I highly doubt it, especially at this point.

    If anything, this pandemic has helped him secure his stranglehold over the nomination even more with less public appearances and barely any media coverage.

    And the MSM are already getting the Tara Reade stuff out of the way now and burying it.

  16. MichiganGuy says:

    Miami Democratic Rep. Donna Shalala, the lone House Democrat on the committee set up to oversee $500 billion in taxpayer money being used for coronavirus-related payouts to large businesses, violated federal law when she failed to disclose stock sales while serving in Congress.
    .
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article242178846.html

  17. Scooterboy says:

    Bernie voters on twitter are having a field day with these new Biden sexual assault allegations.

  18. Tina says:

    The venthoarder needs to be investigated. This is on him

    Byron York
    @ByronYork
    · 2h
    New York State imposes policy requiring nursing homes to admit patients with coronavirus. Can’t ‘discriminate’ on basis of virus! Disastrous results. Gov. Cuomo claimed he didn’t even know about it. From NYT: http://ow.ly/axT150zoLw3

  19. PresidentPaul! says:

    When the left is excited like with Beto they can do well in Texas, but I don’t think most bernie supporters or sane independent voters would support demented Joe.

  20. Tina says:

    Congress needs to fund filling the strategic reserve. If they did, he would be just be doing it.

    There is a potential alternative, which will likely face lawsuit. Leasing storage space.

    https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/04/09/trump-energy-oil-storage-strategic-petroleum-reserve

  21. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mystery solved.

    There you go…
    *************************************
    “Senator Scott Jensen represents Minnesota. He’s also a doctor. He appeared on Fox News with Laura Ingram where he revealed a very disturbing piece of information.”

    Dr. Scott Jensen says the American Medical Association is now “encouraging” doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the country.
    Jensen received a 7-page document that showed him how to fill out a death certificate as a “COVID-19 diagnosis” even when there isn’t a lab test confirming the diagnosis.

    “Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/hospitals-getting-paid-more-label-cause-death-coronavirus/5709720

  22. Tina says:

    It made no sense for the venthoarder to send Covid patients to the nursing homes. Utter stupidity and a criminal act.

  23. Cash Cow TM says:

    Scooterboy beat me to the punch and posted that info on the last thread…

  24. Tina says:

    Translated: Yes, China Joe, please send us your talking points. At Cn and n, we will cover for you.

    Chris Cillizza
    @CillizzaCNN
    · 17h
    Joe Biden needs to address this directly https://cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html

  25. Scooterboy says:

    Democrat Nancy Pelosi on January 31: “The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law.”

    Democrat Nancy Pelosi Today: “Tens of thousands of people were still allowed in from China. It wasn’t as it is described as this great moment. … If you’re going to shut the door because you have an evaluation of an epidemic, then shut the door”

    LOL !!! So which is it, Nancy ?

  26. Robbie says:

    The question going forward should be: did someone die of coronavirus or did someone die with coronavirus? There’s a big difference, but many states are blurring the lines in order to juice the death count and, effectively, scare people.

    For instance, if someone has a positive test for coronavirus and is an overweight guy in his late 50’s who has smoked all of his life and dies a of a massive heart attack, did he did of coronavirus or of the heart attack that came from years of an unhealthy lifestyle? To me it’s obvious, but to the press and blue state governors, it’s not.

  27. Tina says:

    Piglosi fails to note she was against the China Ban. She threatened to sue.

    She then went and had the ChinaTown fiesta.

    In her demented way, she forgets to note that the 10,000 that entered are U.s. Citizens. No court would have allowed banning citizens from re entry

  28. Pitchaboy says:

    Mr. Cow: I love you man but no doctor will sign off on a false diagnosis on a death certificate and risk losing his license. It is a legitimate question whether a patient with end stage cancer in hospice gets COVID and dies: is it a cancer death or COVID?
    I can also reassure you that no intensivist I know will vent a patient to make money for the hospital. Not happening.

  29. Tina says:

    I am sick to see these Tik Tok nurses dancing.

    They should be fired ASAP.

    There are many people who deferred surgery and treatments.

    Yet, they dance like idiots.

  30. Phil says:

    ‘To me it’s obvious, but to the press and blue state governors, it’s not.”

    Well, it’s sure as hell obvious to me.

  31. Tina says:

    Rs want The Chinese Com,ids to pay the bill.

    Simply, don’t pay the debt we owe them.

    https://t.co/OJwhdAvnSG?amp=1

  32. Tgca says:

    Now that Tara Reade has filed a criminal complaint against Biden and she claims that she also filed an internal complaint in his office in 1993 in which the Biden campaign denies, then the courts could require the University of Delaware to release Biden’s senate staff records that its holds and intended to release after he retires from politics. So unless the statute of limitations apply or her case is dismissed, I don’t see how the University could hold back records that potentially corroborate her story and provide evidence.

    Also, there could be immense pressure on Biden to call for releasing records and if he refuses, that could look very bad and would hurt the #MeToo movement significantly.

    The bad news for Biden is the released Larry King tape. If it is proven to be her mom, then this adds great credibility to her story. Remember, it was not likely a woman in DC in 1993 could go public with sexual assault accusations as they could today because the media scrutiny on them would be intense against a well-known senator.

  33. MichiganGuy says:

    #29 Are you serious? You have abortion doctors killing babies right up to they come out of the womb. You have the whole opioid epidemic because, doctors were overprescribing the medicine to make more money.
    .
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/opioids-doctors-prescriptions-payments/
    .
    I could give you many more examples of unethical doctors. I know a doctor who will approve you for medical marijuana for people who have nothing wrong with them. Just give him $50.

  34. jason says:

    Reade has everything the Kavanaugh acccuser did not have. Date, place, and time and independent corroboration.

  35. jason says:

    I know a doctor who will approve you for medical marijuana for people who have nothing wrong with them. Just give him $50.”

    This is why I come here. Everyone is so well connected.

  36. jason says:

    “Dr. Cow: I love you man but no doctor will sign off on a false diagnosis on a death certificate and risk losing his license.”

    Pitch is a physician and should stand up for his profession.

    But “no doctor will sign off on a false diagnosis” would be like Bitter coming here and saying no lawyer would do something unethical and risk getting disbarred.

    We know better.

    “I know a doctor who will approve you for medical marijuana for people who have nothing wrong with them. Just give him $50”

  37. jason says:

    However, I my problem with the COVID-19 situation is not exactly “false diagnosis” it is the general criteria for classifying any death that could remotely be related to COVID-19 as the cause of death. This is being done by politicians, not doctors.

  38. Pitchaboy says:

    I said:”no doctor I know”. I am sure there are bad apples. Few and far between.

  39. jason says:

    Sorry Pitch, the “I know” didn’t register.

  40. jason says:

    Spain numbers are in.

    288 deaths, down from 961 peak April 2.

    2870 cases, down from 8161 on April 1.

  41. jason says:

    In fairness to CNN, I am sure if it was detrimental to Trump they would have removed it also.

    “CNN removed the August 11th, 1993 Larry King Episode from Google Play, the episode featuring a call from Tara Reade’s mother. CNN is actively colluding with the Biden campaign to cover up evidence of Biden’s sexual assault.”

  42. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 26, 2020 at 12:19 pm
    Spain numbers are in.
    288 deaths, down from 961 peak April 2.
    2870 cases, down from 8161 on April 1.

    – Are they doing the kind of testing per capita that we’re now doing? With our own recent increased testing, it may be hard for the US to achieve any meaningful decrease in case numbers for a while.

  43. Scooterboy says:

    This looks really bad for Cuomo. Shipping body bags with patients.
    https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags/

  44. mRviTO says:

    We have an all out war on our hands against facts this year with YouTube, google, and twitter. I don’t know if you all have been paying attention to how often this has been going on.

    In addition to google play disappearing the Tara Reada Larry King episode, YouTube just censored the video John Roberts speaks of here.

    John Roberts
    @johnrobertsFox
    While
    @realDonaldTrump
    has been criticized for asking whether disinfectants could be “injected” to treat coronavirus, he was correct about the possibility of introducing ultra-violet light into the lungs. A brand new device announced just this week:

    AYTU Healight
    Peer-reviewed data to be published on this soon. Thank you to our partners at Cedars-Sinai.
    youtube.com
    2:18 PM · Apr 24, 2020·Twitter Web App

  45. Tgca says:

    Just because one doesn’t know of any doctors willing to bend the rules doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    How many straight guys you know admit they love wearing sweaters and attending flower shows? I only know of one but we know they exist.

  46. jason says:

    – Are they doing the kind of testing per capita that we’re now doing?”

    Actually, yes.

    Spain has done 20k tests per 1 million population vs. 16k per 1 million population.

    However, NY has done 40k tests per 1 million population.

  47. jason says:

    Italy numbers in.

    2324 cases vs. 6557 peak.

    260 deaths vs. 919 peak.

    Btw, Italy is at 30k tests per 1 million population, double the US.

  48. PresidentPaul! says:

    #39
    Doctors individually do death certificates when the states send them the forms not politicians, not administrators, and not hospitals.

    There is just no incentive for malfeasance, and I doubt even one out of a million was considering overall COVID numbers when these death certificates were filled out.

  49. Scooterboy says:

    Steve Guest- “ After corroborating evidence of Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden emerged, one would think it would merit a mention on Sunday shows.

    Yet, 0 mentions on “State Of The Union,” “Meet the Press,” ABC’s “This Week,” CBS’s “Face the Nation,” & “Fox News Sunday.”

  50. Crymedogg says:

    Being a former Marylander, now in Georgia, I realize what a bubble folks are in who live in MD. I love this site but Dave W’s NeverTrumping cracks me up. Most folks who live in these northeast suburbs can’t see past their bubble.

  51. PresidentPaul! says:

    It’s still unclear why the Democrats want a person who is either crazy or demented to be in charge of the country.

  52. PresidentPaul! says:

    I know someone who got a Paycheck Protection Program loan from the government approved for approx 90k over 2.5 months.

    Basically the process was very cumbersome. He had to have his accountant work near full time on the issue so he probably owes her 5k or who knows maybe more (10k) in hourly charges for all the work getting it together. I was told it required a ton of paperwork, and he had to watch several tutorial videos to make sure every i and t were dotted and crossed otherwise he was warned he would have to apply a second time.

    Well it actually got a approved, but I doubt the average small business will be anywhere nearly as organized as this to get it done so fast.

    Also the banks didn’t even know how to do a small business loan because they hadn’t done one in 30 years so it took a lot of scrounging around from bank to bank until one was found that would even do it.

  53. Hugh says:

    54. I think the experience will very greatly based on the company bank and advisors if any. One of the businesses I’m on the board of will be applying for the mainstreet loan. We will see how it goes. My understanding on the ppp loan is that the banks are largely working with the companies and oversight is extremely lax.

  54. Bitterlaw says:

    I do not own a sweater. When I did own a sweater, I kept it in the closet.

    Wait. That does not sound right.

  55. Bitterlaw says:

    53 The Democrats ask the same question about Republicans.

  56. Tgca says:

    I was involved in reviewing some gubbermint contracts back around mid 200s. The process to get grant money, and not loans, was extensive and laborious. I understand the need for red tape so as to discourage fraud but there are more efficient ways to do it. Probably farming it out to banks with oversight might be better.

    Also, someone sent me their gubbermint job application once to review and I could not believe it required information as far back as the high school you graduated from and college grades. This position was for mid-management. Granted it was like 10+ years ago but what inefficiency.

  57. Tgca says:

    59

    Ooooh! Is there a lot of paperwork? Do I qualify because I’m gay, conservative, and have joint and nerve disease?

    I’ll take $75k please. My car is over 5 years old and has like 70k miles so $75k should cover it me thinks.

  58. jason says:

    Meanwhile, in Roadkill Maggot’s socialist paradise of Venezuela…

    “PUERTO ORDAZ/MARACAIBO, Venezuela (Reuters) – Venezuelans reported paying above $2 per liter ($7.57 per gallon) for gasoline last week amid fuel shortages, one of the world’s highest rates and a dramatic reversal for an OPEC nation that long boasted of having the world’s cheapest fuel.

    Thanks to subsidies under socialist former President Hugo Chavez and his succesor and protege, Nicolas Maduro, gasoline sold by state oil company PDVSA – which has a legal monopoly on fuel sales – is essentially free in Venezuela.

    Motorists offer pump workers tips of snacks or a few hundred bolivares – under 10 U.S. cents – instead of payment.

    But the country’s 1.3 million barrel-per-day refining network has all but collapsed, and U.S. sanctions aimed at ousting Maduro have complicated fuel imports, prompting Venezuelans to either wait hours outside gas stations, or turn to the pricey black market.”

  59. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 26, 2020 at 1:10 pm
    – Are they doing the kind of testing per capita that we’re now doing?”
    Actually, yes.
    Spain has done 20k tests per 1 million population vs. 16k per 1 million population.
    However, NY has done 40k tests per 1 million population.

    – A rough estimate of population puts the US about 7 times larger than Spain. So using that, our peak is under Spain’s peak. Multiplied by 7, their peak would have been around 55,000 if they had our population. So far, our has been about 39,000 on a day when many large backlogs were cleared.

    Italy is about 5.5 times smaller by population than the US. Again using that rough metric, their peak would have been about 36,000 which is in line with ours.

    While Spain didn’t get near the publicity Italy did, you could argue they had a worse outbreak than Italy did.

    I feel we’ll be benefitted by warmer weather in May and that should help reduce some transmission, but, based on Europe’s climb down the ladder, it will take some time in the US to see cases back off, especially in the Northeast where the weather remains cold and dreary.

  60. jason says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    April 26, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    53 The Democrats ask the same question about Republicans.”

    Bitter just loves those fake equivalencies….

  61. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is never able to grasp that Democrats and Republicans view the other side with contempt, suspicion, and hatred.

  62. Tgca says:

    52 Crymefogg

    I dunno Dave W but it’s possible he suffers from what many moderates in the urban areas suffer from. They are so used to being surrounded by radical libs and the MSM and urban elites that they think the whole country views are like them and they don’t question it, probably out of fear of rejection or ridicule.

    I’ve lived in and about some of the largest cities in the US and this is their reality. They have no idea that outside their urban utopia, folks think differently than they do and put value on different things than they do. Hence, the reason you have the Hollywood elitist clones who think they’re moderates.

  63. Robbie says:

    Philipp Koellinger
    @PKoellinger
    Apr 25
    1/4 Interesting: A wet lab study from Germany suggests that some degree of limited background immunity against #COVID19 may exist in the population (~1/3 of their healthy donor sample) due to previous infections with other “common cold” coronaviruses.

    – I’ve wondered, recently, if this might have an effect. There are six coronaviruses that have circulated before this one. Two of them, SARS and MERS, were so deadly they died off because the host was killed before spreading could happen in large numbers. The other four have circulated freely for a long, long time and result in common colds. We’ve all had them and that’s probably a good thing because our bodies already have a reasonably facsimile of the virus stored in the memory bank. That might explain why such a high number of people never know they’ve had this virus or the symptoms were extremely mild.

    It argues strongly, that society be opened up to all but those at highest risk.

  64. mRviTO says:

    Bloomberg
    @business
    ·
    Apr 25
    Severe acute respiratory infections in Mexico spiked 50% this season compared with a year ago, almost certainly all due to coronavirus, suggesting that government figures on Covid-19 cases are far too low

  65. Tgca says:

    64. Bitter

    Isn’t that a similar argument folks say about the Allieds vs the Axis in WW2? Those Germans, Italians, and Japanese were just misunderstood and they never really intended to indoctrinate the world to their views.

    I say people can be bad hypocrites, and then there is EVIL!

  66. Robbie says:

    mRviTO says:
    April 26, 2020 at 2:40 pm
    Bloomberg
    @business
    ·
    Apr 25
    Severe acute respiratory infections in Mexico spiked 50% this season compared with a year ago, almost certainly all due to coronavirus, suggesting that government figures on Covid-19 cases are far too low

    – The net takeaway from this and other things is coronavirus has likely been circulating widely for a much longer timeframe than previously thought. The CDC suggests the surge in “Influenza like Illnesses” in late November and December was due to FLU B. And while I hate to rely on anecdotal evidence, so many have reported a severe Covid19-like illness that tested negative for Flu A and B at the same time. I’m not one to believe in coincidences so I think the evidence has been there the whole time. Something sad and strange happened in Wuhan, NYC, and the Lombardy region of Italy, but I find it hard to believe they were the tip of the outbreak. My own view is coronavirus was circulating along with flu and, in certain areas, odd factors caused a spike that either overwhelmed the population and the hospitals or nearly did.

  67. mRviTO says:

    Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment
    April 20, 2020

    Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai.

    https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

    “The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). “

  68. jason says:

    Bitterlaw says:
    April 26, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    Jason is never able to grasp that Democrats and Republicans view the other side with contempt, suspicion, and hatred.”

    I grasp it.

    But comparing Trump’s mental state to Biden’s is a false equivalency.

    Today Adam Schiff said because Rs wouldn’t convict Trump, 50000 Americans died.

    You couldn’t come up with anything today a Republican said about Biden, no matter how stupid, that would even compare to that.

  69. jason says:

    Isn’t that a similar argument folks say about the Allieds vs the Axis in WW2?”

    Good point.

    You could say the Nazis viewed Jews with contempt, suspicion and hatred.

  70. PresidentPaul! says:

    Big Tech helping Demented Joe again.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/archive-biden-accusers-mother-calling-cnn-scrubbed-google-play-catalog

    An archived episode of CNN’s “Larry King Live” featuring a call from an anonymous caller later identified as the mother of Biden accuser Tara Reid appears to have been scrubbed from the Google Play catalog.

    The August 11, 1993 broadcast is conspicuously missing from the catalog in between the August 10 and August 12 episodes, according to a screenshot taken by Twitter user @absinthol, who writes “CNN removed the August 11th, 1993 Larry King Episode from Google Play, the episode featuring a call from Tara Reade’s mother.”

    “CNN is actively colluding with the Biden campaign to cover up evidence of Biden’s sexual assault,” the tweet continues.

  71. Tina says:

    Well past time for this goblin to STFU

    Rising serpent
    @rising_serpent
    · 45m
    Bill Gates defends China on Fareed Zakaria: “China did a lot of things right, at the beginning… That’s a distraction. There’s a lot of incorrect and unfair things said. But it’s not even time for that discussion.”

  72. jason says:

    There are 34 states in the US that have had fewer than 300 COVID-19 deaths to date. 16 have had less than 100.

  73. jason says:

    China did a lot of things right, at the beginning”

    Facts not in evidence.

  74. Robbie says:

    Who died and made Bill Gates an authority on anything other than pioneering an operating system full of loopholes.

  75. Tina says:

    Gates statement contradicts both Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci.

    Btw, England is no longer referencing the case numbers out of China.

  76. Tgca says:

    I think In hindsight, Trump has severely damaged and weakened China for decades to come.

    1st, the tariff pressures and constant reminder China does not play by the rules was changing the view on China.

    2nd, constant reminder of Dems kickbacks from China, especially the Biden clan made clear of China’s continued corruption.

    3rd, closing incoming travel from China that most now agree was the right thing to do despite initial outrage by Dems and MSM.

    4th, constantly reminding America where the virus originated and how Chiba lied about it, and how scientists now deflect blame to China from their own ignorance.

    5th, there will be focus by many countries to try and hold China accountable even if nothing tangible results, folks will not forget any time soon about China’s role in the pandemic.

    When this is all over, China will see an exodus of business and reduced travel to China. There will be a push to bring some manufacturing back to the US or more reliable allies or building closer relationships with countries like the Philippines or Vietnam. I doubt many companies will fight this because their reputations can be severely tarnished if they push for continued manufacturing in China.

  77. jason says:

    In an appearance on Fox News’ “Watters World,” Birx indicated that the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths are expected to drastically decrease next month. “We believe that both the hospitalizations, the ICU need, and frankly, the number of people who have succumbed to this disease will be dramatically decreased by the end of May,” she said.”

    I actually think it will be dramatically reduced by mid-May.

    However, I think a 75% reduction from today’s numbers is a dramatic decrease, and that is where I think we will be by May 15th.

    Btw, here are the new symptoms the CDC says might indicate you are infected.

    I post this as a public service, I expect nothing in return unless anyone wants to make sure the llamas are well fed during the crisis.

    “Chills, repeated shaking with chills, muscle pain, headache, sore throat and a loss of taste or smell.”

  78. jason says:

    When this is all over, China will see an exodus of business and reduced travel to China. There will be a push to bring some manufacturing back to the US or more reliable allies or building closer relationships with countries like the Philippines or Vietnam. I doubt many companies will fight this because their reputations can be severely tarnished if they push for continued manufacturing in China.”

    A lot of really bad ideas in that statement.

    Fortunately, I don’t think that is going to happen.

  79. Tgca says:

    I also think China may try to become more aggressive in Southeast Asia but I think they may be contained by world pressure, especially if countries now seek to invest in certain countries in Southeast Asia to become western manufacturing hubs. This opens up a UGE opportunity to develop and build infrastructure in those countries to accommodate manufacturing, raising the standard of living there and opening more US markets there too.

    I guess we will see if the US and Europe are willing to take China on there.

  80. Pitchaboy says:

    This morning I posted a link to graphical analysis of cases around the world. 97 pct of our cases are expected to be done by May 11

  81. Victrc says:

    Jason. – I have final assembly and board population done in the Philippines and overall have a positive experience from it, other than normal problems, though the biggest complaint is the travel to get there to do initial inspection and set up, and safety concerns for my employees. We do bare boards and source components in S. Korea.

    As part of potential contracts with the Govt here we are required to return manufacturing to the USA, and secure the supply chain. I don’t think that most who are not in manufacturing really understand how ardent this admin is for made in America. Even Dems backing us told us form the get go, before any contracts here you have to bring manufacturing here (for US sales only, as outside the US no one would buy our product if made here for security concerns) or else the administration would stop it.

    We are looking at Ohio and here in Texas. We ruled out Florida and Michigan (which was a choice early, but this Gov is a nightmare).

  82. Bitterlaw says:

    80 My wife had most of those symptoms a month ago. She definitely lost her senses of taste and smell. Her doctor told her that because she had not been out of the country recently and her fever only lasted a day he would not order a test. She survived and feels better now. Maybe she had it. My daughter and I did not develop those symptoms.

  83. Tgca says:

    I would like to see Apple, Facebook, and pharmaceuticals arguing that they wish to keep operations in China after this all settles because it’s good for the bottom line. Unless, the MSM and politicians bury it, there will be great pressure to find alternative solutions to China. After all, China built infrastructure to accommodate western businesses so other countries can do it as well. I suspect more essential products will have some manufacturing shift to the US even if it’s more expensive in the long run. It only takes one pandemic to teach a generation of folks a lesson.

    So unless China is willing to really open towards a full democracy, I don’t see how the west can afford to do business with China in the future.

  84. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sweden reported 2 deaths and 663 new COVID-10 infections on April 26th. Being the weekend, the numbers are low:

    However, the weekly death toll has been steady over the last three week:

    1.) Week of April 6-12: Average Daily Death: 71
    2.) Week of April 13-19: Average Daily Deaths 92
    3.) Week of April 20-26 Average Daily Deaths 93

    The new cases have risen, but not by much.

    1.) Week of April 6-12: Average Daily New Cases: 453
    2.) Week of April 13-19: Average Daily New Cases: 557
    3.) Week of April 20-26 Average Daily New Cases: 608

    There was a report that 11% of a test sample of the population of Stockholm tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. However, the study has been withdrawn; they used anonymized blood samples from patients, some of whom may have had the virus and were donating plasma for research.

    If you go online, there continue to be news reports of a massive increase in deaths in Sweden — usually based on comparing a weekend day with a weekday when rates spike. It is ironic to see the liberal press villainize Sweden now; a country they previously praised as a model of virtuous social democracy.

  85. Tgca says:

    86

    I mean do business as usual with China.

    Surely we will do business with them as they need the west to help bring their country forward as China is still by far a poor country by US standards of material items.

  86. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    April 26, 2020 at 3:43 pm
    This morning I posted a link to graphical analysis of cases around the world. 97 pct of our cases are expected to be done by May 11

    – I’m looking at it right now. Does this group have a track record of accuracy?

  87. Robbie says:

    Robbie says:
    April 26, 2020 at 4:41 pm
    Pitchaboy says:
    April 26, 2020 at 3:43 pm
    This morning I posted a link to graphical analysis of cases around the world. 97 pct of our cases are expected to be done by May 11
    – I’m looking at it right now. Does this group have a track record of accuracy?

    – Just saw it’s from Singapore University.

  88. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    74. “Bill Gates defends China on Fareed Zakaria”

    Tech moguls are always going to defend the owner of their sweatshops.

    Bill Gates, who often preaches about the need to address climate change, has just bought a $43 million dollar beachfront home in Del Mar, San Diego County. He joins Al Gore and Barack Obama, two of the nation’s top climate warriors, in purchasing expensive beachfront estates. These are slimy people — and when the seas rise, as they predict, they will become more so.

  89. pitchaboy says:

    It is from the Singapore guys and they are pretty good Robbie. It is a statistical analysis based on real time data plotted as A polynomial plot.

  90. Tgca says:

    SDC

    You are wrong! Gates, Gore, and Obama bought these beach properties so that others could not buy them and wreak havoc on them. Their intent is to preserve the environment on those properties and reduce the carbon footprint there that would otherwise contribute to global warming. Got it now?

  91. Bitterlaw says:

    Pitch – If my wife had the virus can I get a note from you saying she can leave the house on my behalf so I don’t have to put on a mask to go out?

  92. jason says:

    Today’s numbers are shaping up to be significantly lower than yesterday, but Sundays are always under-reported by about 25%.

    Still, with all the most impacted states reporting we are at 12k fewer cases and only half the deaths as yesterday.

  93. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    53. “It’s still unclear why the Democrats want a person who is either crazy or demented to be in charge of the country.”

    The same reason a puppet master wants a puppet. He is the candidate of the rich, Democratic power brokers and tech industry, who profited massively under Obama.

  94. Robbie says:

    pitchaboy says:
    April 26, 2020 at 4:58 pm
    It is from the Singapore guys and they are pretty good Robbie. It is a statistical analysis based on real time data plotted as A polynomial plot.

    – Fingers crossed.

    I watch CNBC World most evenings and they broadcast from Singapore so I’ve been following their “circuit breaker” that was just extended four weeks to June 1. Seems to coincide with what Singapore University is projecting.

  95. jason says:

    I don’t think that most who are not in manufacturing really understand how ardent this admin is for made in America”

    Oh I understand how this admin is for isolationist and protectionist policies. It is my least favorite aspect of this administration it doesn’t mean it is right.

    “Made in America” is a cheap slogan that might sound good if you don’t have any idea of about how markets work.

    Trying to isolate China economically is really stupid.

    But like I said, I don’t think it is going to happen, unless politicians that don’t understand any fundamentals of economics get their way.

  96. jason says:

    would like to see Apple, Facebook, and pharmaceuticals arguing that they wish to keep operations in China after this all settles because it’s good for the bottom line.”

    Zzzzzzzzz…..

    Yeah, nobody should care about the bottom line.

    It is hilarious that the same people that accuse China of not abiding by market principles are the first to suggest the US should do the same.

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  97. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 26, 2020 at 5:07 pm
    Today’s numbers are shaping up to be significantly lower than yesterday, but Sundays are always under-reported by about 25%.
    Still, with all the most impacted states reporting we are at 12k fewer cases and only half the deaths as yesterday.

    – What sit do you use? I look at worldometers, but I know there are others.

  98. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just a bit more information about the UT/Texas poll at the top of this thread that had Trump 49% and Biden 44%.

    It was an internet survey of 1,200 registered voters. Their February 2020 survey had Trump 47% and Biden 43%.

    The present poll showed Hispanic voters 50% Biden and 40% Trump.

  99. jason says:

    will have some manufacturing shift to the US even if it’s more expensive in the long run”

    The ignorance of this type of reasoning always amazes me.

    The idea that if you make products more expensive you are still going to sell the same volume of them is rampant among the protectionists and isolationists, even though it is absolutely proven this is not the case and it goes against the fundamental principles of economics.

    All that does is curtail economic activity. You sell fewer products. That reduces activity along the whole chain of supply. Transportation. Retail space. Jobs. Tax revenue.

    Not to mention exports. You will kill millions of jobs that depend on exports.

    Hopefully, we won’t actually go for mindless slogans.

  100. Tina says:

    Well, we do need to return the supply chain that the corporatists gave away.

    This includes PPE and ingredients used to make medicines,

    China screwed us. Commie Xi new that his economy was tanking, so he criminally tanked the worlds economy.

  101. VictrC says:

    Jason, with all due respect, Trump or no Trump a lot of manufacturing is moving out of China. Costs have gone up there a lot in the 7 years I’ve been manufacturing, and it is no longer as economically advantageous to get certain items manufactured there when adjusting for the negatives (lower quality, always fighting to not get ripped off, IP theft).

    Other Asian countries are becoming competitive to China and manufacturers are quickly relocating to Vietnam, Philippines, even South Korea is become more competitive in quality electronics.

    So isolationist polices or not, the market is also moving manufacturing, especially quality manufacturing out of China.

    For us it’s more of a. Security concern. We can not have anything manufactured in China, as no Govt, military or B2B customer would purchase it.

  102. Tina says:

    Breaking News

    Per the Money Honey, Maria B., General Flynn will be exonerated this week.

    I predicted this and knew for a long time that Comedy and the corrupt Fib officials hid stuff,

    Pretty clear that McCabe held a grudge against Flynn.

  103. jason says:

    Commie Xi new that his economy was tanking, so he criminally tanked the worlds economy.”

    Zzzzzzz…..

    Another day, another conspiracy theory.

    Much more likely China wanted to hide the epidemic for as long as possible, for the exact opposite reason, fear of tanking the Chinese AND the world economy.

  104. Tina says:

    I never really cared for Nixon’s outreach to China.

    In my previous life, I wrote a a few memos about it.

  105. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    86. On the whole, I agree with a lot of what Tgca says about future of U.S. manufacturing in China.

  106. jason says:

    lot of manufacturing is moving out of China. Costs have gone up there a lot in the 7 years”

    Fine, if that happens for economic and not political reasons. If other countries can be more competitive, that is great.

    That is different from the “Made in America” BS.

  107. jason says:

    and it is no longer as economically advantageous to get certain items manufactured there when adjusting for the negatives (lower quality, always fighting to not get ripped off, IP theft)”

    As long as it is market driven, and not determined by artificial policies like tariffs, I have no objection.

  108. Tina says:

    His economy was sheot. There was no fear of anything.

    You would not buy up all the PPE simultaneously.

    Their objective was to lie about it, using their sock puppets in the press and corrupt agencies like WHO.

  109. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 26, 2020 at 5:35 pm
    Breaking News
    Per the Money Honey, Maria B., General Flynn will be exonerated this week.

    – I don’t care one way or another whether he does this, but wouldn’t it be better if he waited for this crisis to pass before he sparked a dumb media outrage? I don’t know. Maybe it will just get lost in the shuffle.

  110. Tina says:

    They need to investigate Bill Gates ties to China.

  111. Tina says:

    Trump is not pardoning him.

    Doj just withdraws the case because they handed over evidence from another Doj attorney that investigated the coup plotters. The judge acts upon this.

    And you do care, you slandered a war hero, who served in 2 Administrations.

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    111. “As long as it is market driven, and not determined by artificial policies like tariffs, I have no objection.”

    Good point.

  113. Tina says:

    Maria Bartiromo
    @MariaBartiromo
    · 34m
    Breaking News: sources tell me @GenFlynn will be completely exonerated this week. It was a total fraud. A Set up. More tomorrow @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness @FoxNews @SundayFutures

  114. jason says:

    I never really cared for Nixon’s outreach to China.”

    No isolationist or protectionist cared for it.

    But it has brought great wealth to the US and many other countries.

  115. Tina says:

    I still do not know why Paulo and the Rino crew hired Donna,
    Cheating should make her unemployable.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    34m
    ….fraud
    @donnabrazile
    (and others who are even worse). Chris Wallace is nastier to Republicans than even Deface the Nation or Sleepy Eyes. The people who are watching
    @FoxNews
    , in record numbers (thank you President Trump), are angry. They want an alternative now. So do I!

  116. Tina says:

    How can Fake Flapper not challenge Piglosi about the China Ban?

    She was against it and sponsored the next day, the No Ban Act. She said trump was a racist.

    And now she wanted even U.s. Citizens to be banned from re entry,

    The drats love interning Americans.

  117. Tina says:

    He took a breather from doing the daily pressers. Part of it was to transition to open up America again. In other words, transition to economic recovery. But the presstitutes have gotten (intentionally) several stories wrong.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6m
    Reports that H.H.S. Secretary
    @AlexAzar
    is going to be “fired” by me are Fake News. The Lamestream Media knows this, but they are desperate to create the perception of chaos & havoc in the minds of the public. They never even called to ask. Alex is doing an excellent job!

  118. Tgca says:

    Jason

    I have spent two decades working on financial reporting and filing annual reports for Fortune 500 companies with the SEC and answering regulatory inquiries. Part of my job is to educate and put together talking points together used by CEO and CFO for major companies so they can use as talking points to investors, especially with respect to capital investments regarding large infrastructure projects.

    It’s people like me that advise senior management often of the do’s and don’ts on certain certain capital investments and returns. I sit in weekly meetings with Vice Presidents and often help them prepare their slide presentations on capital and returns. I have training in accounting, tax, and finance and an MBA as well and also worked for 2 of the Big Four accounting firms and prepared tax returns for large companies in the past as well as state and property taxes. I think my background makes me qualified to discuss certain financial issues around capital investments as I have been recruited by multi-billion dollar companies around the US as a director with a very healthy corporate America salary.

    What is your subject matter expertise in finance and economics and who recruits you to assist in multi-billion dollar companies to assist in making capital investment decisions in the billions of dollars?

  119. Tgca says:

    …and another thing Jadon, the actions of China just wiped out nearly all economic benefits America has received from them over the recent years in less than 2 months so the question we have to ask ourselves now, is China worth it? Especially since there is a high probability this behavior can repeat with China.

    Not to even bring up the billions America loses to Chinese intellectual theft annually that the Americans pay for through increased pricing and reduced profits.

  120. Tgca says:

    Jadon:

    …and on top of all my finance, accounting, and tax education and qualifications/licenses/certificates. I was a licensed bartender back in the day which makes me qualified to join the House of Representatives and make economic decisions for the US.

    Now top that that B*TCH!!!

  121. jason says:

    “What is your subject matter expertise in finance and economics and who recruits you to assist in multi-billion dollar companies to assist in making capital investment decisions in the billions of dollars?”

    Zzzzzzzz…

    I will put my education, expertise and career against yours any day of the week.

    GFY.

    And if with all your education and expertise you fail to understand basic principles of economics it doesn’t really say much for you, does it?

  122. jason says:

    …and another thing Jadon, the actions of China just wiped out nearly all economic benefits America has received from them over the recent years in less than 2 months so the question we have to ask ourselves now, is China worth it?”

    Drivel, garbage and BS.

  123. PresidentPaul! says:

    Tesla’s Transformation Into A Chinese Company Seems Unstoppable”

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4339781-teslas-transformation-chinese-company-seems-unstoppable

    ” But looked at in another way, they might prompt the question, “Why would any U.S. company ever surrender so much control to the Chinese government?”

    In short, Tesla Shanghai’s fate is now in the hands of the Chinese PTB. Tesla Shanghai will fail or succeed as those Chinese officials choose, and therefore Tesla Shanghai will be under irresistible pressure to adhere closely to what those officials want.”

  124. jason says:

    There are a lot of well educated people that believe in protectionism and isolationism.

    It is not only the AFL-CIO and the big labor fatcats.

  125. PresidentPaul! says:

    Long ago, we were smart enough to not be helping the Soviet Union develop their economy, technologies, etc.

  126. Tgca says:

    Jadon

    Your predictions of isolationism and killing the economy did not come to fruition in 2019. You were not proven correct in your predictions! What killed the economy was trusting a communist nation like China.

    Yes, put up your education career and experience. I have a track record of being recruited all over the US to Fortune 500 companies as a subject matter expert in my respective field, taught at various seminars over the years, published, and sought by peers throughout the US for guidance and advice. You?

  127. jason says:

    You?”

    Like I said, I would put my education, expertise and career against yours any day. But contrary to you, I don’t need to self promote myself to back up my arguments.

    You arguments in favor or isolationism and protectionism and sophomoric theories like costs and prices don’t matter either show you your stellar background hasn’t taught you very much.

    “Your predictions of isolationism and killing the economy did not come to fruition in 2019”

    Lying won’t help your cause. I never predicted the “economy would be killed”. What I said was a trade policy based on protectionism and tariffs and adopting the simplistic and failed agenda of the AFL-CIO was going to be counter productive to the US in the long run, and I certainly still believe that.

  128. jason says:

    I have a track record of being recruited all over the US to Fortune 500 companies”

    If you told them costs don’t matter you gave them horrible advice.

    They need to get their money back.

  129. jason says:

    What killed the economy was trusting a communist nation like China.”

    LOL

    Is that what your vaunted experience tells you?

  130. jason says:

    What killed the economy was trusting a communist nation like China.”

    Reminds me of the Democrats, never let a crisis go to waste.

    Let’s use the coronavirus crisis as an excuse for isolationism and protectionism!

  131. jason says:

    Breaking News
    Per the Money Honey, Maria B., General Flynn will be exonerated this week.

    – I don’t care one way or another whether he does this, but wouldn’t it be better if he waited for this crisis to pass before he sparked a dumb media outrage? I don’t know. Maybe it will just get lost in the shuffle.”

    I don’t think exonerated means a pardon, but I could be wrong.

  132. PresidentPaul! says:

    GOP Senator Says Don’t Let Chinese Students Study STEM in U.S.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-26/gop-senator-says-don-t-let-chinese-students-study-stem-in-u-s?srnd=premium&sref=IRovmk9E

    Republican Senator Tom Cotton lit up social media on Sunday by suggesting Chinese students shouldn’t be allowed to study science and technology at U.S. universities, and should focus on Shakespeare instead.

    The Arkansas lawmaker deemed it a “scandal” that China’s “brightest minds” study in the U.S. only to return home “to compete for our jobs, to take our business, and ultimately to steal our property.”

  133. Tgca says:

    131

    I never said you said the economy would be killed. Again, you are being deceitful to try and strengthen your point.

    I said you predicted tariffs would damage the economy to a detriment and the evidence does not show 2019 tariffs caused the harm you predicted. There were minor impacts and benefits as well that offset those impacts, and many who have written on those benefits.

    I don’t believe in isolationism, or support the AFL-CIO, another one of your ways to try and discredit folks when you can’t make a point stick. I believe in fair trade and we did not have that with China. They cost us billions annually due to stolen technology.

    As for my work, I have always done well and handsomely compensated in reviews and bonuses and stock options so I don’t think your comment warrants any justification other than that.

    I have overseen financial and accounting management for more than $250 billion in capital investments in my career so I think if I were not competent in my area, I would not be recruited with incentives around the US so clearly the management of these Fortune 500 companies know something you don’t about my work.

  134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    This is an interesting interview with the Swedish epidemiologist who is responsible for the Swedish approach. He is a “yes” and “no” type of person with concise answers.

    “That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd. Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks:
    – UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based – The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
    – This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
    – The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
    – The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
    – The paper was very much too pessimistic
    – Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
    – The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
    -The results will eventually be similar for all countries
    – Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
    -The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
    -At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY

  135. PresidentPaul! says:

    CCP fighting the virus as kids go to school.

    https://twitter.com/Nardeus1980/status/1254489109529321473?s=20

  136. Tgca says:

    132

    I never said costs don’t matter. Just the opposite you twit! I helped mange costs and insure they got the best return possible on their capital investments. I routinely do cost management analysis. Again, you mislead when you can’t accept a point different than yours.

    If we want to get nit picky, if the GOP followed your lead in 2016, Hillary would be POTUS so before you accuse others of bad judgment, look in the mirror.

  137. Tgca says:

    …and again, as a past licensed bartender, I’m more qualified than you to sit in Congress. So suck on that llama lover.

  138. PresidentPaul! says:

    The largest, longest cup and handle in the history of the world?

    https://twitter.com/TaviCosta/status/1254551502867148801?s=20

  139. PresidentPaul! says:

    CCP is bullying Europe.

    ““The Chinese are already threatening with reactions if the report comes out,” Lutz Güllner, a European Union diplomat from Germany, wrote to colleagues on Tuesday in an email seen by The Times. Europeans need to know who their patsy is – the NYT found him”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/world/europe/disinformation-china-eu-coronavirus.html

  140. jason says:

    I believe in fair trade”

    Ah, yes, “fair trade”.

    I think ever Richard Trumpka believes in “fair trade”.

    You are in good company.

  141. PresidentPaul! says:

    I still think the CCP hid the WuFlu from the world so it could send its officials here to negotiate a trade deal with Trump while it was still in a favorable position to negotiate terms with Trump going into an US election year.

  142. jason says:

    “I never said you said the economy would be killed.”

    No? Now you are just outright lying, a clear sign you have lost the argument.

    “Your predictions of isolationism and killing the economy did not come to fruition in 2019.”

  143. PresidentPaul! says:

    I know some of the higher CCPers already stole some of his shares, but When are the CCP going to kill or disappear Jack Ma like then rest of their CEOs.

    He probably would have been better off negotiating and doing business with the late Pablo Escobar.

  144. PresidentPaul! says:

    Or maybe he just knows how to stay in his lane?

    Jack Ma: Mowing down demonstrators in Tiananmen Square was the “correct decision”

  145. janz says:

    Coronavirus:A Report From The Front Lines.

    This interview has been around for a few days, but seems to be making the rounds more as time goes by.

  146. jason says:

    I am never impressed with people who claim to be eminently qualified issue eminently unqualified opinions.

    I am much more understanding of unqualified people who issue unqualified opinions.

    At least they have an excuse.

  147. jason says:

    Meanwhile, Bunu has a long exchange with himself.

  148. janz says:

    Gov. Whitmer has her emergency powers repealed by state legislature.

    It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving governor!

  149. jason says:

    She will veto it, unfortunately, like Wolf vetoed the bill passed in PA.

  150. jason says:

    22 states reported 5 deaths or less today.

  151. Wes says:

    When Bunu talks to himself I can’t help thinking of the scene in Lord of the Rings where Gollum is telling himself to leave.

  152. Country Dick Montana says:

    Not buying a 44% day to day reduction in deaths and 25% reduction in cases from yesterday to today. Monday averages 28% higher than Sunday but I wouldn’t be surprised to see closer to 2100 deaths on Monday and Tuesday.

  153. PresidentPaul! says:

    A fleet of oil tankers sitting off Southern California idle.

    https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1253722290266738689?s=20

  154. Tgca says:

    146

    My bad. I should have looked at my post. I should have said significantly harming or detrimental impact on the economy as those were your arguments if I recall. The point is that the tariff war had no significant net impact on the economy in 2019 as you were suggesting all along and posting selective articles that turned out not to be so accurate in net impacts. In fact, the economy flourished as expected. Now a full out trade war may have had an impact but there was never such an event, nor one expected. Ultimately, Trump was correct on that one for 2019.

    China did just help kill our economy in 2020 though because if the unemployment numbers are to be believed, we wiped out all gains the last decade and are looking at catastrophic losses and government spending to offset those losses that will take decades to pay. What is it approaching, a few trillion and counting? That will be the equivalent of 10+ years of deficits with China before interest. That is astronomical. We won’t be getting those trillions back anytime soon.

    In addition, as for fair trade, China costs us billions annually in technology theft and that costs the American taxpayers.

  155. Tgca says:

    150

    BS dude! You’re the one suggesting what won’t work in capital investment when you did not realize you were debating someone who works with capital investments in infrastructure daily for 20+ years. It does not mean myself or a qualified person can’t be wrong on specific advice but when it comes to gross infrastructure capital spending, the argument that it won’t work elsewhere is not accurate. China built its country on the infrastructure due to business the west gave it the last 25 years. That can be done elsewhere given the right relationships developed.

    Reading textbooks and news articles will only take you so far and does not make up for real life experience of those that work with large capital spending projects.

  156. jason says:

    That can be done elsewhere given the right relationships developed.

    Fine, let me know when it happens.

    Until it does, stop making stupid statements.

  157. jason says:

    Yeah, closed out at 26500 cases and 1150 deaths.

    But even if it does go to 2100 tomorrow the average will be a positive trend.

  158. Phil says:

    1150 deaths. Probably means they are holding back hundreds and will dump them all in tomorrow. I expect deaths to be between 3 and 4 thousand tomorrow if past Mondays are any indication.if it just goes to 2100 with The Sunday deaths not reported that would indeed be a VERY positive sign. We will see.

  159. janz says:

    #154. Forgot about that veto power.

  160. Tgca says:

    Stock market increase now is good but that alone doesn’t translate to a vibrant economy or jobs on the horizon in the long run. The longer this shut down lasts, the more difficult it will be to get back. At least my 401K will go back up though…now will it stay there is the question.

    Also, the US is probably in a better situation than most economies but that itself is not too hard at this stage I guess.

  161. Pitchaboy says:

    Going by ER visits, admission to ICU and use of vent, it is becoming clear the epidemic is winding down in SEPA.

  162. Tina says:

    They are saying that the incentives given to re start the economy are timely,

    I believe I read that 68% already got their stimulus checks.

    Mortgage rates are super low

    Noticed that homes are still selling. (Slower but not noticing significant price changes.)

  163. Tina says:

    I don’t think Americans will likely stay inside more.

    We will break curfew.

    It is just too nice now.

    Generals Spring and Summer will beat Governors Venthoarder and Whitler.

  164. MichiganGuy says:

    jason says:
    April 26, 2020 at 7:15 pm
    You?”

    Like I said, I would put my education, expertise and career against yours any day. But contrary to you, I don’t need to self promote myself to back up my arguments
    .
    Translation: being an Alpaca Shepherd doesn’t qualify me to speak on finance and economic so, I don’t want to get into specifics about my education and career.

  165. Phil says:

    China only had 3 cases yesterday.

    SURE they did.

  166. Bitterlaw says:

    Alpaca Shepherd? That escalated quickly. Everybody knows Jason thinks Alpacas are just metrosexual llamas.

  167. Tina says:

    Looks like his train is parked outside too.

    Vincent Lee
    @Rover829
    · 11m
    Moon Chung-in, South Korean President Moon Jae-in’s foriegn policy adviser to Fox News:

    “Kim Jong Un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspcious movements have so far been detected.”

    https://fxn.ws/3bGbLp9

  168. Tgca says:

    171

    It was experience, not self promo. You evidently were talking about a topic you may not have significant experience in and I do. It’s like when someone says something stoopid about tax and you inform them the appropriate tax law because you’re a tax lawyer. You take it as self promo, I take it has shutting down your unfounded ignorant statements that only you know what’s good and all else are therefore isolationists, as you have routinely argued with stoopid AFL-CIO accusations anytime anyone disagrees with you on this topic which is not probably the case for any regular HHR poster except for the trolls. That’s always your argument.

    Face it! Trump was right on the 2019 tariffs and they had no net negative impact most likely because he never escalated full scale but did weaken the Chinese position. The 1st POTUS to do that in 20+ years.

    …and not asking you to divulge yourself here and career but clearly you punked out. That makes you my B*TCH! Got it! Now you have a good night.

  169. MichiganGuy says:

    Tgca, Jason doesn’t care that china is manipulating its currency, has one of the worst human rights records, its military is trying to take control of the South China sea and is no doubt creating tensions with the U.S. naval that could lead to war. China steals our intellectual property. Spreads propaganda that the U.S. is to blame for the coronavirus. We have around $350 billion dollar trade balance with China. In other words while we only export $150 billion worth of goods to China they export $450 billion worth of goods to us. But the Alpaca shepherd says this is great for our economy. OK

  170. Tgca says:

    176

    Michigan

    China just cost us a few trillion dollars and wiped out any goods we would have sold to them in nearly a generation but somehow we are isolationists. BS!

    Most companies would cut there losses when something like this happens. I’ve seen many company divest unprofitable investments after much effort. China just became our most unprofitable investment for the next decade.

    Thanks to their shenanigans and stoopid globalists relying on a China’s transparency, American taxpayers have an additional few trillions to pay off. We would have been better off having a full scale military war in the middle east to do this much economic damage to our economy than rely on a trading partner like China.

  171. Tgca says:

    On top of it all, as China is ostracized over this by the west for the next few years (not likely they will be forgiven anytime soon), we can expect they will become much more aggressive, especially in Southeast Asia, as their economic bubble bursts.

    So unless China does mea culpas and tries to become more transparent with the world, not expected with the current regime, we can expect more aggression and technology piracy, as well as interference in our elections and other espionage and world politicking too.

    Let’s see if they try any BS with Taiwan soon to test American resolve.

  172. Bitterlaw says:

    A major reason we have a trade imbalance with China is because Americans buy more stuff from China. Who forced us to do that? Most people want a $700 phone from there instead of a $2000 phone made in America (if such a phone existed).

  173. MichiganGuy says:

    New Data Shows U.S. Companies Are Definitely Leaving China.
    .
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/07/new-data-shows-us-companies-are-definitely-leaving-china/#38ad721040fe
    .
    Well, at least something good is coming from our tariffs and the coronavirus.

  174. MichiganGuy says:

    Bitterlaw, well its hard to compete when China when they pay their workers $3 an hour or forces prisoners to work in their factories.
    .
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/china-transferred-detained-uighurs-to-factories-used-by-global-brands-report
    .
    I would gladly pay more for U.S. made products but, I realize not everyone can afford to do that.

  175. MichiganGuy says:

    Too many when. Lol Time for bed.

  176. Tgca says:

    It doesn’t cost $2000 to make an iPhone in the US. Just as it did not double BMW or Honda costs to start producing cars in the US. Apple makes a lot more profit in China and hoards cash, one of the reason it is so valuable. It has a profit percent in 25% larger than most companies that have 10% to 12%. It also has more cash and cash equivalents than the capitalization of most companies in the world. So they could give a little to help out the world if they wanted to instead of preaching to everyone about good worldly citizenship.

    Somehow I think soon there may be some pressure on these tech companies sucking up to China. I can see there being a similar pressure of companies on China as there was to South Africa in the 80s.

  177. Tgca says:

    180

    Good post Michigan. I’m glad this world class strategic global management firm agrees with me on supply chain, and specifically points out Vietnam who has made much progress the last decade, as I noted above. They must be following our posts here at HHR. 🙂

    Who knew! Some of us at HHR are movers and shakers in the world.

  178. janz says:

    Here is a riveting video done by a NP, being the voice of a nurse friend assigned to a NY coronavirus floor. I would be interested in someone like Pitch giving his POV, bexause, if there is any truth in what she is saying, it puts a cloud over some of the standards of care being executed in at least one NY hospital.

  179. janz says:

    The above link has already disappeared. Here’s a secondary one taken from The Conservative Treehouse.

  180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I agree with Tgca, the U.S. needs to manufacturer more of our own goods, and not be so dependent on China — which is clearly our adversary. It is a bad strategic move, that outweighs the limited economic benefit.

  181. Tgca says:

    187

    Gay Power!

    Wonder Twin Powers activate!

    Shape of CA Republican!
    Form of a NJ conservative!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktUx57i63e0

  182. Tgca says:

    Don’t know if this is accurate but if so, these nurses and doctors need to be investigated and prosecuted if guilty, or at least lose their licenses at a minimum for extreme negligence.

    Years ago, I had a friend who worked in ER tell me that many times a very sick person who they thought was at end of life was ignored and not resuscitated or ER folks would move real slow to respond when they went into cardiac arrest in hopes they would expire naturally.

    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/nyc-nurse-whistleblower-speaks-out/

  183. Tgca says:

    Glad our Dems support these union teacher types from the Sewer State. What a horrible woman to wish a painful death on teenage students.

    https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/new-jersey-teacher-screams-at-students-i-hope-you-die-of-coronavirus/

  184. PresidentPaul! says:

    #185
    Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

  185. Phil says:

    Anything that can be done about the spammers that have suddenly descended on this site? Like many of you I have been here on this site for years (15 in my case) without seeing a single one until the last few months.

  186. Will says:

    Well, first the video account is hearsay.

    Sounds as if the NP on the video may have no actual ICU experience. What she describes is two things: triage and best practice (as far as we know) being implemented in NYC.

    It is ugly, but this is the reality. In my understanding…..

    Nobody appreciates a crusading know-it-all misrepresenting the actions of dedicated medical personnel trying their best in a situation where there are NO GOOD OPTIONS.

    My guess is That Pitch might agree…..

  187. jason says:

    Alpaca shepherd?

    I want some points, even if it came from someone who doesn’t know the difference between an alpaca and a llama.

  188. jason says:

    “Most people want a $700 phone from there instead of a $2000 phone made in America (if such a phone existed)”

    Hey Bitter, not to worry, according to resident economic genius Tgca we would sell just as many $2000 phones as we would $700 phones because in his head the fundamental principles of economic are suspended.

  189. jason says:

    “I would gladly pay more for U.S. made products but, I realize not everyone can afford to do that.”

    I wouldn’t even though I could probably “afford to do that”.

  190. jason says:

    “I would gladly pay more for U.S. made products”

    You would probably still be driving a Ford Pinto I guess.

    Fortunately most Americans are rational consumers who don’t think like the AFL-CIO “conservatives”

  191. jason says:

    ’m glad this world class strategic global management firm agrees with me on supply chain, and specifically points out Vietnam who has made much progress the last decade,”

    The “reasons” they might agree with you are probably the same reasons a lot of companies went to China, but you are too ignorant to see that.

  192. jason says:

    I love arguing with the AFL-CIO conservatives because in the end they always admit that their protectionist and isolationist theories are failed and irrational (I want to pay more for “American” products”) or they admit there are benefits to free trade (agrees with me on the supply chain, and specifically points out Vietnam who has made much progress the last decade”

  193. jason says:

    Spain

    Active cases April 25 105000
    Active cases April 26 85000

  194. jason says:

    In other words while we only export $150 billion worth of goods to China”

    “Only” is great.

    Do you have any idea how many farmers and workers and businesses depend on that “only” 150 billion?

    No? Didn’t think so.

    Ok, I will let the AFL-CIO protectionists and isolationist have the last word, will be back later when we have some COVID-19 numbers.

  195. PresidentPaul! says:

    #197
    hear hear

  196. PresidentPaul! says:

    From morining twitterverse

    Danielle DiMartino Booth
    @DiMartinoBooth

    ·
    29m
    5% of small businesses have received PPP funds. Put differently, 95% have NOT. Why is it the words “hellfire” and “damnation” come to mind?
    and

    Sven Henrich
    @NorthmanTrader

    Guaranteed incomes so people can spend money on products sold by zombie companies with junk rated debt that the Fed buys with an unlimited printing machine. Just trying to keep track of where this is all going..

  197. Cash Cow TM says:

    Mich. Guy,

    You forgot to add:

    –Chinese labs involvement in creation of various types of illicit dr.ug.s to foist on the U.S.

    –Chinese dog good manufacturers that shipped over contaminated dog food that resulted in increase in U.S> dog deaths.

  198. MichiganGuy says:

    Cash Cow, sorry about that but, the Alpaca shepherd doesn’t understand how dangerous China is to the world.

  199. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/15/a-novel-about-war-with-china-strikes-a-chord-at-the-pentagon/?utm_content=buffer503ee&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer%5C

    I read this book several years ago. Fiction but plausible. We should not have any illusions that China is a friend or even simply an economic competitor.

  200. MichiganGuy says:

    So, Jason threw a little temper tantrum. First off, Tgca and I are not isolationist. I have no problem with global trade. In fact the only country I don’t believe it’s in our best interest to trade with is China.And I gave my reasons. 1. China’s currency manipulation 2. We shouldn’t be buying products that there political prisons are forced to make. 3. China’s military build up in the south china sea that will be used to block trade routes. 4. China steals our intellectual property. 5. Spreads propaganda against the US. They are now telling the world that the US army started the coronavirus. Why would you want to enrich a country that is actively seeking to do us harm. Still waiting for the shepherd to respond.

  201. jason says:

    Cash Cow, sorry about that but, the Alpaca shepherd doesn’t understand how dangerous China is to the world.”

    Zzzzzz….is that the new isolationist protectionist buzzword? “Dangerous”.

    I actually have no objection to seeking other production alternatives to China, I have advised clients who have seen costs go up in China due to environmental and labor issue to do exactly that. I also don’t have a problem is something is deemed really strategic from a military standpoint that it be sourced elsewhere (no I don’t think masks are “strategic”).

    But these are decisions that have to be made from an economic and cost standpoint, not as a result of following the failed agenda of the AFL-CIO of the last 70 years, which is basically what the Tgca’s of the world are advocating for.

    China is a market of 1.5 billion people, 20% of the world’s population. You don’t want to isolate China economically, you want to integrate it into the world’s economy. If you think the $450 billion we import from China doesn’t create immense wealth in the US from all the economic activity resulting from it you are an idiot, you don’t even have to consider the $150 in exports. Trade creates wealth, even if you don’t export as much as you import.

    An “economic war” with China is just as stupid as a military war would be.

    Actually, despite his silly rhetoric on tariffs, I think Trump understands the economic value of trade with China, that is why he is always careful to try to protect the relationship.

    Even now, as he blames China for the virus, he is careful to say he likes Xi, he is a good man, blah blah blah, because he knows burning bridges with China is not in the interest of the US in the long run.

  202. jason says:

    . First off, Tgca and I are not isolationist. I have no problem with global trade. In fact the only country I don’t believe it’s in our best interest to trade with is China”

    LOL

    That is like saying you are not a Nazi because you only believe in exterminating orthodox Jews.

    China is the most populous country in the world. “Only”?

    The isolationist and protectionists are always going to have an excuse against free trade. Europe does this. Mexico does that.

    If you are an AFL-CIO conservative, there is always a reason to be against free trade and to be against the fundamental principles of economics.

    Except there are never any good reasons.

  203. MichiganGuy says:

    Just as I suspected the Alpaca shepherd has no response.

  204. NYCmike says:

    “Just as I suspected the Alpaca shepherd has no response.”

    -That’s about right.

    If our trade from China goes from $450 billion to $300 billion, and the other $150 billion goes to other nations that actually abide by the same set of rules as we, and the majority of the rest of the world, adhere to, that would be a good start……..somehow jason calls that “the AFL-CIO agenda”…….lame response, and incorrect.

    Also, with the advent of new technologies, especially the ability to sell over the internet direct to consumers, and with the realization that China is a bad actor, I could see where smaller companies will open up in more local areas and be able to better compete with chinese-made products, in price and quality. Why would that be a bad thing?

    Definitely no need for legislation from Congress, that would be bad. Let the consumer decide.

  205. NYCmike says:

    “mRviTO says:
    April 26, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    We have an all out war on our hands against facts this year with YouTube, google, and twitter. I don’t know if you all have been paying attention to how often this has been going on.”

    -Surprised that Bitterlaw missed the opportunity to belittle Mr Vito for calling out private companies for censorship.

  206. jason says:

    “be able to better compete with chinese-made products, in price and quality. Why would that be a bad thing? Why would that be a bad thing?”

    It would be fine. It would be driven by market factors, not emotions and AFL-CIO agenda.

    I am all about being able to “compete in price and quality”.

  207. dblaikie says:

    Good morning fellow posters! Believe it or not I just saw Fox that the good old over the counter anti-acid drug Pepcid might be effective against the virus. Of course scientific testing needs to happen. However I going down to my local Publix and buy some before it sells out. I learned my lesson with toilet paper!

  208. jason says:

    Italy under 2k new cases for the first time since March 10.

  209. jason says:

    Who makes Pepcid? Buying their stock now.

  210. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The Swedish ambassador to the U.S. is claiming Stockholm may have heard immunity by May:

    “Sweden’s ambassador to the United States has said the capital of the Nordic country could reach herd immunity by May – a result of a controversial response to the coronavirus pandemic involving few public restrictions.

    “About 30 percent of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity,” Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter told National Public Radio (NPR).”

    The Swedish number of new cases for Monday are down from previous Mondays:

    April 27 376
    April 20 465
    April 13 392
    April 6 286

    However, deaths are up:

    April 27 76
    April 20 20
    April 13 40
    April 7 80

    These numbers may reflect statistical variability. However, they do not show a runaway epidemic with exponential growth. Those who predicting Sweden was doomed and irresponsible for not going into a mandatory lockdown are so far being proven wrong.

  211. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    222. Lets also not forget that Sweden only report 2 deaths for yesterday (Sunday).

  212. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    Italy under 2k new cases for the first time since March 10.

    – It’s both good news and bad news. The good news is they’re on their way to recovery. The end is near. And let’s not forget, the awful pictures that came from Italy in early March played a huge role in America’s perception of coronavirus and how we reacted to it.

    The bad news is it took 49 days (seven weeks) to achieve that. Years from now, I think most experts will realize confining people to homes with a contagious upper respiratory virus wasn’t the best course of action.

  213. NYCmike says:

    “Who makes Pepcid? Buying their stock now.”

    -Pretty sure J&J.

  214. Robbie says:

    Sweden was right, but we were bamboozled by the supposed effectiveness of China’s lockdown.

  215. NYCmike says:

    “Years from now, I think most experts will realize confining people to homes with a contagious upper respiratory virus wasn’t the best course of action.”

    -Hopefully, sooner than that, experts and REGULAR FOLK will realize that the ChiComs shouldn’t be trusted and the best course of action would be to question everything they say.

  216. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    New York has about ½ of all U.S. CORVID-19 cases. New York City is the epicenter, and a provocative new study has come out entitled: “The Subways Seeded the Massive Coronavirus Epidemic in New York City.”

    This has the advocates of new urbanism, who advocate people live in dense cities and use mass transit, up in arms.

    “In the working paper now available at the National Bureau of Economic Research, Harris maps subway turnstile data against infection rate by zip code, and claims that the recent flattening of New York City’s epidemic curve is linked to the 65 percent decline in ridership that occurred in the first half of March. In an op-ed in the New York Daily News detailing the paper’s contents, he also points to the heavy death toll among MTA workers, which hit 79 on April 20, as another piece of evidence.”

    https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2020/04/coronavirus-cases-new-york-subway-infection-riders-mta/610159/

    There are risk living in a human sardine can.

  217. mRviTO says:

    Sky News Australia
    @SkyNewsAust

    Australia has been warned by the Chinese ambassador that it could face an economic hit if it does not back down from a push into the nation’s handling of the coronavirus.

  218. Tina says:

    Wow.

    Rich McHugh
    @RichMcHugh
    · 49m
    NEW: A former neighbor of Joe Biden’s accuser Tara Reade has come forward, on the record, to corroborate her sexual assault account, saying Reade discussed the allegations in detail in the mid-1990s. https://businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter…
    Show

  219. Tina says:

    Will China Biden make it to the convention?

  220. Country Dick Montana says:

    226 – “Sweden was right, but we were bamboozled by the supposed effectiveness of China’s lockdown.”

    I agree and have advocated from the beginning. The one issue that is constantly overlooked (just as it it with the success of “Scandinavian Socialism” is that Sweden, along with Denmark and Norway are fairly homogeneous populations (95% Scandinavian) with shared culture and values, along with a high trust in their Governments to do the right thing. When the government said practice social distancing and other mitigation, the Swedes did it.

    The US does not have those advantages.

  221. jason says:

    NEW: A former neighbor of Joe Biden’s accuser Tara Reade has come forward, on the record, to corroborate her sexual assault account, saying Reade discussed the allegations in detail in the mid-1990s.”

    Zzzzz…. Dr. Ford’s husband came forward too.

    That is the kind of independent witness you need to be believed.

  222. NYCmike says:

    “Australia has been warned by the Chinese ambassador that it could face an economic hit if it does not back down from a push into the nation’s handling of the coronavirus.”

    -Jason would recommend moving Australian industry there to gain forgiveness.

  223. VictrC says:

    213. Jason. Good post.

  224. jason says:

    Even in hindsight the Sweden model would not have been politically viable for Trump.

    Right now we have 55k deaths WITH the lockdown, and even so they are being blamed on Trump.

    If we had that number or more (it would be more) every death would have been blamed on Trump, and he would have no defense except “I didn’t destroy the economy”. But most people would not realize how bad it would have been, so Trump would not have gotten the credit.

  225. jason says:

    213. Jason. Good post.”

    Thanks. Alpaca herders never get the credit they deserve.

  226. NYCmike says:

    #236 – agreed.

    What we should have done, especially in NYC, was shut down 2 weeks prior……..unfortunately, I don’t think that was politically possible either, for Trump, Cuomo, Deblasio, anyone.

  227. VictrC says:

    238. 236. You are both correct. Trump, Cuomo, and DeBlasio would have been skewered if on Feb. 15, Feb 28 or even March 5 had said close down with so few cases.

    Ironically, the media is now painting the picture that February 1 Trump should have shut down the American economy with 1 case in the USA, no pandemic called by the WHO, and no other country following that regiment. The attack on Trump is going to be called the “six weeks” and they are going to claim he wasted six weeks in not closing down, six weeks in not getting 325M tests ready and six weeks not getting enough PPE (they will scrap the venitlator charge), masks, etc.

  228. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    China has shown nothing but hostility to the U.S. They are engaging in aggressive confrontations with our Navy at sea, and stealing our technology. They make no bones about there desire to supplant the U.S. and our allies as the leading military power in Asia. After irresponsibly hiding vital information about the CORVID-19 epidemic in China, they are now openly blaming the U.S. for the virus coming into China.

    It is in the U.S. strategic interest to move essential industrial production from China back to the U.S. — the concept of free trade is secondary to national interest; and by the way as has been stated repeatedly, to China free trade is a one way street.

  229. jason says:

    “the concept of free trade is secondary to national interest”

    I am sure that you consider it “secondary” to just about any interest.

    Actually, free trade should never be secondary to any interest. But I understand the AFL-CIO conservatives think a protectionist, tariff driven trade policy is the answer.

    It is unfortunate the party that used to be for free enterprise, free trade, and free markets is no longer, that is why I don’t belong to it anymore.

  230. jason says:

    China has shown nothing but hostility to the U.S.”

    Zzzzzz…

    I have read that here about just every country we trade with. Europe, Mexico, Canada, Russia, you name it.

    The idea that we cannot have trade with countries that are “hostile” to us is so stupid as to not even merit discussion.

    Maybe we can trade with, hmmm, the Cayman Islands. Oh wait, they don’t “like” us either.

  231. NYCmike says:

    “It is unfortunate the party that used to be for free enterprise, free trade, and free markets is no longer, that is why I don’t belong to it anymore.”

    -jason’s position is this: We can rely on China to keep trading whatever we need, FREELY, EVEN IN TIME OF WAR……..even though they don’t do it NOW.

    Got it!

  232. Robbie says:

    This is fantastic news and I guess it’s why Sarah Gilbert of Oxford University has been so confident about her vaccine. Human trials need to start now and the US should enter into an agreement with Great Britain to start producing doses now so they can be administered in the Fall.

    “Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html?smid=tw-share

  233. NYCmike says:

    Monkeys………Walt isn’t going to like this!

  234. jason says:

    We can rely on China to keep trading whatever we need, FREELY, EVEN IN TIME OF WAR”

    LOL

    What war?

    And we shouldn’t trade with a country because there is a remote possibility one day we will be at war with them?

    Man, we are really running out of excuses here.

  235. jason says:

    It is in the U.S. strategic interest to move essential industrial production from China back to the U.S.”

    I bet 99.9% of that the AFL-CIO conservatives would deem “strategic” is not “strategic” and 99.9% of what is deemed “essential” is not “essential”.

  236. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    246. But Robbie, keep in mind that: “The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.”

    As a Canadian commentor has pointed out regarding the position of the country’s chief health officer:

    “The very basis of a vaccine is that it prompts the human body to create antibodies. So if Dr. Theresa Tam, our chief health officer, believes that the presence of antibodies does not guarantee prevention of reinfection how can she believe that a vaccine will help.”

  237. Tina says:

    Now a second woman comes forward against China Biden,

    Flapper will now have to work even harder to protect Biden.

  238. jason says:

    The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.”

    They want to make sure the lockdown lasts forever.

  239. DW says:

    Biden replies:

    “No, I uh, will, not, uh, you know…thee…these, uh, alle…gations, I will, you know, uh, I will not give them even the uh, least bit of…credibility, and besides, I did it three times, not two, so uh, you got the facts all wrong.”

  240. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    254. Sounds like he should be working at the World Health Organization.

  241. jason says:

    Something better than nothing

    “There was some good news in Monday’s coronavirus briefing from the Pennsylvania Department of Health. Hospitals can now begin doing elective procedures again as long as they follow certain guidelines.

    “Today, we released guidance to provide a process for hospitals and ambulatory facilities to resume elective surgeries, procedures and admissions,” said Pennsylvania Secretary of Health Dr. Rachel Levine. “We know that many Pennsylvanians have had to delay important elective procedures and operations but it was necessary to ensure that our healthcare system had enough capacity in case it became overwhelmed with patients with COVID-19.”

  242. jason says:

    Biden says women like his hairy legs, GFYs.

  243. jason says:

    “Predator-packed Sahara was most dangerous place on Earth 100M years ago”

    No wonder Walt could care less about COVID-19.

  244. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    April 27, 2020 at 3:34 pm
    246. But Robbie, keep in mind that: “The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.”
    As a Canadian commentor has pointed out regarding the position of the country’s chief health officer:
    “The very basis of a vaccine is that it prompts the human body to create antibodies. So if Dr. Theresa Tam, our chief health officer, believes that the presence of antibodies does not guarantee prevention of reinfection how can she believe that a vaccine will help.”

    – Someone should ask the gangsters at the WHO if antibodies don’t matter, why does the convalescent plasma treatment work?

  245. jason says:

    I am sure Blumenthal will now call Biden a “rapist” like he did Kavanaugh, right?

    “LaCasse told Insider that in 1995 or 1996, Reade told her she had been assaulted by Biden. “I remember her saying, here was this person that she was working for and she idolized him,” LaCasse said. “And he kind of put her up against a wall. And he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her. She felt like she was assaulted, and she really didn’t feel there was anything she could do.”

    LaCasse said that she remembers Reade getting emotional as she told the story. “She was crying,” she said. “She was upset. And the more she talked about it, the more she started crying. I remember saying that she needed to file a police report.” LaCasse said she does not recall whether Reade supplied any other details, like the location of the alleged assault or anything Biden may have said.

    “I don’t remember all the details,” LaCasse said. “I remember the skirt. I remember the fingers. I remember she was devastated.” [….]

  246. jason says:

    “Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) spoke with reporters and gave his reaction the Michael Avenatti‘s new client, Julie Swetnick, who has come forward with allegations against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

    Blumenthal, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, referred to the sworn declaration by Swetnick as an “affidavit, sworn under oath,” and called her a “survivor of a vicious sexual attack.” He also noted that if it is determined by the FBI that she’s lying, she “loses her livelihood” due to her security clearances.

    He was then asked about the scheduled vote Friday morning to confirm Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

    “If my Republican colleagues have any sense of morality, they will refuse to go forward on Friday,” Blumenthal told reporters. “They will demand an FBI investigation. And in fact, the White House should do so. If Judge Kavanaugh is really serious about clearing his name, he should demand an FBI investigation of these detailed, precise, absolutely staggering allegations.”

    When asked if he thought Kavanaugh was “lying” about his denials, Blumenthal responded by saying his is “untruthful if he fails tomorrow” at the hearing, noting that there’s a “pattern” of “vile, predatory, sexual misconduct.”

    Swetnick alleged that Kavanaugh acted inappropriately at various house parties towards women and that she had seen Kavanaugh and his pal Mark Judge in “trains” waiting to take turns gang raping a victim in a bedroom. She claims to be one of those victims.”

  247. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    259. Don’t confuse them with the facts.

  248. NYCmike says:

    “And we shouldn’t trade with a country because there is a remote possibility one day we will be at war with them?”

    -heh…..I would love to see the one comment where a person said to NOT TRADE with China!

    To repeat my comment, which jason didn’t dispute:

    “-jason’s position is this: We can rely on China to keep trading whatever we need, FREELY, EVEN IN TIME OF WAR……..even though they don’t do it NOW.”

  249. Tina says:

    Looks like the veep choices are down to the following

    Eric Holder 2.0

    Governor Whitler.

    Pocahontas

  250. jason says:

    “I would love to see the one comment where a person said to NOT TRADE with China!”

    Hmm.. this should be easy to find on this thread.

    Let’s see….

    MichiganGuy says:
    April 27, 2020 at 11:18 am

    ……In fact the only country I don’t believe it’s in our best interest to trade with is China.”

    Dang, that was easy.

  251. jason says:

    I won’t respond to the “if you are at war with a country” it might be difficult to trade with them because it is just too idiotic.

  252. jason says:

    Another real governor.

    “Gov. Greg Abbott to let restaurants, movie theaters and malls open with limited capacity Friday

    The businesses must limit occupancy to no more than 25%.”

  253. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2020 at 5:00 pm
    Another real governor.
    “Gov. Greg Abbott to let restaurants, movie theaters and malls open with limited capacity Friday
    The businesses must limit occupancy to no more than 25%.”

    – And in Kentucky, we’re stuck with limp wristed Andy Beshear who would have you believe you can’t drive down a street without running over dead bodies.

  254. jason says:

    Looks like we might not get a big surge of cases and deaths not reported yesterday, at least not yet of now. That would be really good news.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

  255. Tina says:

    Our lockdown was extended through May,

    Wtf are these loons doing?

  256. jason says:

    They have given up on Biden, Jill is now doing the talking.

    Joe just stares ahead, recognizes his own name, and smiles

    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/04/27/joe-biden-appears-in-a-video-with-jill-biden-and-its-maximum-cringe/

  257. Tina says:

    Looks like Barr Stool issued s warning to the fascist governors.

    5th amendment violations.

  258. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/regional/pennsylvania-golf-courses-marinas-private-campgrounds-permitted-to-reopen-this-week/

    Thank goodness for golf courses.

    “The governor cited a study by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation that indicated 45% of adults in the nation said the pandemic has dealt a blow to their mental health, and that stress and worry will likely continue even as the threat slows.”

  259. NYCmike says:

    #271 – YIKES!

    I don’t think Trump will be able to ignore that video.

  260. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL now the snowflake in chief is reading notes off a piece of paper. My 2nd grader reads his book report out loud better than the Orange Phuck is reading today.

    WHAT A DISASTER! Total imbecile! Low IQ, dumbass piece of sh!t – 53,000+ dead thanks to this Orange traitor.

    BLUE.WAVE.COMIN

  261. jason says:

    At least Trump can read out loud.

    Biden now has his wife reading off the teleprompter.

    What a great candidate!

  262. jason says:

    53,000+ dead thanks to this Orange traitor”

    Zzzzzzz……

    Thank God Hillary wasn’t President, do you think she would have cut off flights from China in January? We would have had “New Yorks” in LA, SF, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago just for starters.

    Under Obama or Hillary would have had a million deaths at least.

  263. jason says:

    30k deaths in NY and NJ.

    Did Roadkill Maggot blame De Blasio yet.

    MARCH 5:

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/mayor-bill-de-blasio-takes-rare-subway-ride-to-calm-coronavirus-fears/

  264. jason says:

    March 5:

    “I’m here on the subway to say to people nothing to fear, go about your lives and we will tell you if you have to change your habits but that’s not now,” Hizzoner said on a packed C train he caught at the Fulton St. stop Downtown.

  265. jason says:

    MARCH !2

    “New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday that he wants Broadway events, schools and public transportation to remain open despite a jump in coronavirus cases in the city.

    While many of the Democrat’s counterparts in other major U.S. cities have already acted against the rapidly spreading COVID-19 outbreak with widespread bans and closures, the mayor said he doesn’t believe New York City is at that level yet.

    “We could get there, but we’re not there yet,” de Blasio told reporters Wednesday at a 311 call center in Lower Manhattan.”

  266. Country Dick Montana says:

    Everything you want to know about COVID 19 in western PA can be summed up below. This is from an email from UPMC which is one of the largest hospital systems in PA:

    “We are happy to continue to report encouraging news: UPMC has not seen the surge in COVID-19 cases that we were prepared to handle. Our system-wide positivity rate for COVID-19 testing was 6.6 percent in the one-week period from April 14 to April 20, and COVID-19 patients are using only 2 percent of beds across UPMC. While this data is promising, we must continue being diligent in our efforts to mitigate the virus.”

  267. VictrC says:

    PO. You’re not a good person. Your partisan rancor ok, we don’t care, we’re all adults and to be frank it just makes you look like a child when you do it (which is a shame because its obvious you could have a debate where both parties just agree to disagree), but to stoop to the level of blaming him for deaths, thats absurd.

    So I am assuming you blame all the other world leaders for the other 200K plus deaths in the world. Right?

    Shame on you.

  268. Proud Obamacon says:

    Slobber Dog doesn’t waste time choking up talking points

    “Biden now has his wife reading off the teleprompter.”

    Really? Did you watch the 30 second clip or did you watch the full video which was actually pretty good. Biden sucks but even he is 1000x better than yall sex fantasy.

    “do you think she would have cut off flights from China in January? ”

    Not true again. Tens of thousands of people were allowed into the US from China.

    Try again, sport

    #RESIST!

  269. Country Dick Montana says:

    Speaker Pelosi on Trump’s China travel restriction:

    “Tens of thousands of people were still allowed in from China. It wasn’t as it is described as this great moment. … If you’re going to shut the door because you have an evaluation of an epidemic, then shut the door” #CNNSOTU pic.twitter.com/jpKFxYVCu6

    — CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) April 26, 2020

  270. PresidentPaul! says:

    Demented Joe was brushing his teeth with the hair conditioner again this morning so his wife told him to shut up during the interview.

  271. Proud Obamacon says:

    Sorry VC. You’re the one who shows up here and blames everything in the world on liberals or democrats or whatever. If this was a Dem president, you’d be slobbering at the mouth and so would everyone else here. Let me present you with facts.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMING

  272. Tina says:

    Disgusting for Jill Biden to prop up China Joe.

    She should run herself.

  273. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Biden can get away with one video of his wife speaking for him. But if there are more, its going to look awful.

  274. Proud Obamacon says:

    Caught completely flat footed until people finally talked some sense into him. Leader or a second grader?

    Repeatedly derails response efforts. Temper tantrums at briefings during a time when thousands are dying daily.

    LIBERATE tweets inciting open rebellion and further spreading of the virus

    Withholding funds and supplies

    You know VC. This is so phucking obvious to all but die hard worshippers like you. Cuomo and Whitmer and all govs for that matter lap the Orange Phuck in approval ratings to the virus. Those are facts. You are welcome to dismiss them as you always do.

    Here Orange has a 95% approval rating. Cuomo and Whitmer have a 0%. And then there’s the real world …

  275. Proud Obamacon says:

    So its noT OK for a candidate’s wife to take 30 seconds to introduce him?

    Yall really digging for something. Wow.

    Yall know how I feel about Biden. He’s the least electable Dem. But damn, yall seem really afraid of him LOL

    #RESIST

  276. PresidentPaul! says:

    USO is such a poorly designed ETF. People think they are buying oil exposure but they are buying oil futures exposure. It seems like an ETF for losing lots of money.

    If they just made it like some of the gold ETFs where it actually owns physical oil somewhere then they would be owning spot oil rather than futures.

  277. Phil says:

    Jill was hilarious….but what is even more hilarious was watching her husband stand there like a dummy totally silent with this glazed look on his face throughout her reading of the teleprompter. He looked like a cut out. I don’t know whose idea to do that was, but it was a ridiculous unforced error.

    They better get the replacement ready for this guy and do it quick. No way they can cover this guy up for another half a year. Problem is he’s just going to get more and more disoriented as the wks pass into November.

  278. Phil says:

    San Diego, there will be just more and more moments like this for Biden.

  279. Tina says:

    Mullah Merkel wants damages from China. Trump alluded today this at the presser. Cancellation of China commie debt.

    BBC News (World)
    @BBCWorld
    “We are not happy with China – we are not happy with that whole situation”

    President Trump says coronavirus “could have been stopped at the source” and “serious investigations” are taking place

    Latest: http://bbc.in/2Sd3elT

  280. Tina says:

    He said that “we have something more powerful than mullahs $130 million request.”

  281. jason says:

    LIBERATE tweets inciting open rebellion and further spreading of the virus”

    Zzzzz…

    Why do you think all these governors, including Dems, are running around now feeling the pressure to reopen?

    Thank Trump!

  282. jason says:

    So its noT OK for a candidate’s wife to take 30 seconds to introduce him?”

    Not really. Not while the “candidate” is looking into the camera like a moron that doesn’t know what is going on, and finally smiles like “hey I heard my name”.

    Geezus, I despise Biden but I felt sorry for him.

  283. jason says:

    Caught completely flat footed until people finally talked some sense into him. Leader or a second grader?”

    Leader. Took decisive action early while Biden called him a racist xenophobe, weeks before Pelosi invited everyone to Chinatown and Cuomo and DeBlasio were telling everyone to ride the subway, go to bars and restaurants and don’t worry about anything.

    Trump was the leader. The Dems were the 2nd graders. Those ARE the facts.

  284. Tgca says:

    Jadon with his ridiculous accusations of repeatedly calling folks isolationists and union supporters is a tactic used in hopes of repeating it enough times that folks will start to believe his weak arguments or give up. His stoopid Nazi comment in this instance is also meant to deflect.

    Bottom line, many of us agreed with Trumps more middle of the road approach on tariffs with China and he won on the tariffs in 2019. They did not cause any significant damage to the economy and studies now show the net benefits.

    We can play this game as well on making accusations to deflect. If it weren’t for people that supported Trump in PA, WI, and MI, Hillary would be POTUS. Thankfully there were a lot smarter people than Jadon in PA. Jason’s ignorance of Trumps capabilities shows he is not a reliable GOP guy, and supports folks like Hillary by default.

  285. jason says:

    Here Orange has a 95% approval rating. Cuomo and Whitmer have a 0%.”

    And yet you are here….

    Need a break from your daily communist brainwashing sessions?

  286. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Why do you think all these governors, including Dems, are running around now feeling the pressure to reopen?”

    Oh I don’t know, maybe because the curve is flattening and it’s time to reopen. You know, like adults doing the responsible thing. Not that you would know anything about that.

    Go grab your confederate flag and protest with your traitor bugaloo “patriots”. You are truly sick and a disgrace to all who have served under the Stars and Stripes.

    #BLUE.WAVE.COMIN

  287. jason says:

    ottom line, many of us agreed with Trumps more middle of the road approach on tariffs with China””

    LOL

    What middle of the road? The AFL-CIO protectionist isolationist garbage of the last 70 years is middle of the road?

    Now you are just making an ass out of yourself.

  288. Proud Obamacon says:

    “And yet you are here….”

    What can I say, I’m addicted to freak shows! LOL

    Keep up the good work!

    In the real world Cuomo has a 77% approval rating and Whitmer has a 57% approval rating for they responses. Orange below 50% . LOL . KEEP living in your fantasy world LOL I love it!

    #RESIST!

  289. Hugh says:

    I’m not very hopeful on Flynn. This judge is a flake. He is pretty invested in denying Flynn’s request given he called the 3 star general a traitor.

  290. jason says:

    Oh I don’t know, maybe because the curve is flattening and it’s time to reopen. You know, like adults doing the responsible thing.”

    Funny, until the protests, the Dems were dancing a different tune.

    I guess they are listening to the adult in the room, instead of sitting around hoping for more carnage in the economy.

  291. jason says:

    Jason’s ignorance of Trumps capabilities shows he is not a reliable GOP guy, and supports folks like Hillary by default.”

    Hilarious. Here I am defending Trump in post after post, but I am not going to defend protectionism, isolationism, tariffs and the AFL-CIO agenda.

    But you are right, I am not a reliable GOP guy, I left the party because it is no longer the party of free trade, free enterprise, free markets, small government, personal responsibility. It is dominated by big government isolationist tariff loving morons like you.

  292. jason says:

    Whitmer has a 57% approval rating for they responses.”

    Let’s see how popular this fascist dimwit is after this is all said and done.

  293. Tgca says:

    302

    Clearly, you were a default Hillary supporter and not with the vast majority of the GOP. We get it! She lost and now you are pleasantly surprised by Trump.

    You did not have the wisdom to see a potential win by Trump …and now you want us to trust your bad judgment on the economy. No thanks.

  294. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Funny, until the protests, the Dems were dancing a different tune.

    “I guess they are listening to the adult in the room, instead of sitting around hoping for more carnage in the economy.”

    zzzz..

    Jason back to the well of how Dems just want to destroy the economy.

    Translation: He got whooped so now he has to to back to “Dems want to destroy economy” BS. Keep it up sport. Remember, you still got Venezuela!

    #RESIST

  295. jason says:

    You are truly sick and a disgrace to all who have served under the Stars and Stripes.”

    I served. And I wasn’t even born here.

    I doubt a blood sucking parasite like you ever did.

  296. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Let’s see how popular this fascist dimwit is after this is all said and done.”

    Translation: Whitmer has done a good job so Jason has to hope for more deaths so he can blame her. Jason is a sick phuck

  297. jason says:

    ems just want to destroy the economy”

    The truth hurts doesn’t it.

    And all because they thought it was bad for Trump.

    They wanted millions of people to lose their livelyhood for cheap political purposes. They were ecstatic about every drop in the stock market and every unemployment report.

    Despicable roadkill maggots like you.

  298. jason says:

    ason has to hope for more deaths”

    Wasn’t that what you were doing for weeks here.

    Why do you think I call you Roadkill Maggot.

    You hoped for the worst, you know it.

    Don’t try to wiggle away like the little despicable worm you are.

  299. Tgca says:

    Ooooh! I see it’s gonna be a contentious evening of posts based on the trend the last hour. I’ll up the ante.

    Who wants to discuss ABORTION?

  300. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I served. And I wasn’t even born here.

    I doubt a blood sucking parasite like you ever did.”

    Whatever you say sport. Glad you chosen the Confederate flag over the Stars and Stripes. How’s the bugaloo planning? Which state yall gonna invade first? LOL

    And sport, you know nothing about me. I know all I need to know about you and your anti-american sh!t. Wave the Confederate flag proud you sick phuck. Own it!

    #RESIST

  301. jason says:

    Whitmer has done a good job”

    A rabid communist apparatchik like you would think so.

    I bet you had an orgasm when she told those bourgeois folks with two houses they couldn’t go to their own house.

  302. jason says:

    And sport, you know nothing about me.”

    Oh, I know a lot about you.

    I have you pegged to a T.

    And calling me a confederate is really stupid, considering my posts for over a decade here. You are really on the wrong track there.

  303. Proud Obamacon says:

    zzzzz

    You can always tell when Jason is losing an argument. He stops talking about the substance and whips out his usual drivel about how Dems just want everyone to die and kill the economy and tank the markets yada yada yada yawn zzzzzzzz

    All this while Jason the Slobber Dog gladly protests alongside his Confederate buds. Keep it up sport. You are cracking me up!

    #resist!

  304. Tgca says:

    Ok. I’ll try to check in periodically. Gonna watch a movie for a bit and finishing eating my tofu and sautéed greens dinner.

    P.O. and Jadon…carry on gents.

    I’ll save some of my tofu and greens for the winner.

  305. jason says:

    ‘finishing eating my tofu and sautéed greens dinner.”

    Puhleeeze… I was working up an appetite and now I want to puke.

  306. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I have you pegged to a T.”

    Slobber Dog has every Democrat pegged to a T. Hate capitalism, want Americans to die, live in basements, love Venezuela, zzzzzz

    Oh wait, everything I just said is actually what Slobber Dog wants! He loves the government takeover of the stock market, he wants more deaths so Whitmer’s approval goes down, he lives in his parents basement, and he loves Venezuela style monetary policy!

    WOW How’s that for a twist!

    I know he creams his shorts every time he hears the Fed is buy more and more junk bonds to prop up the stock market! And he creams even more at the thought of printing trillions of dollars! LOL and then he complains about Venezuela. Can’t make this stuff up! I love it!

  307. jason says:

    I got some nice brisket here, with a nice 1/2 inch layer of fat on it.

  308. Proud Obamacon says:

    So when’s the bugaloo? What city yall invading first? LOL

    I say go for Gettysburg for symbolic effect!

  309. jason says:

    And he creams even more at the thought of printing trillions of dollars!”

    Zzzzzz.. Obama did that for 8 years, ran up the deficit more than all other Presidents combined, and we never heard a peep from Roadkill Maggot.

    Color me skeptical he is worried about deficits.

  310. Proud Obamacon says:

    “There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it.”

  311. jason says:

    I say go for Gettysburg for symbolic effect!”

    Thanks. It’s only 20 minutes away, so there is that.

  312. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Zzzzzz.. Obama did that for 8 years, ran up the deficit more than all other Presidents combined, and we never heard a peep from Roadkill Maggot.”

    LOL Slobber Dog complained about Obama turning us into Venezuela. But when his hero does the same sh!t but on STEROIDS, Slobber Dog is loves it.

    CONCLUSION: Slobber Dog loves Venezuela! He only pretends to be concerned when there’s a Dem president. Otherwise it’s all good! HEY, PHUCK YOU COMMIE. YOU LIKE VENEZUELA.. then GTFO and move there you piece of chit instead of pretending to be some lover of Capitalism. YOU ARE A SIK PHUCK. OWN IT B!TCH

  313. jason says:

    jason says:
    April 27, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    March 5:

    “I’m here on the subway to say to people nothing to fear, go about your lives and we will tell you if you have to change your habits but that’s not now,” Hizzoner said on a packed C train he caught at the Fulton St. stop Downtown.
    jason says:
    April 27, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    MARCH !2

    “New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday that he wants Broadway events, schools and public transportation to remain open despite a jump in coronavirus cases in the city.

    While many of the Democrat’s counterparts in other major U.S. cities have already acted against the rapidly spreading COVID-19 outbreak with widespread bans and closures, the mayor said he doesn’t believe New York City is at that level yet.

    “We could get there, but we’re not there yet,” de Blasio told reporters Wednesday at a 311 call center in Lower Manhattan.”

  314. jason says:

    So many unnecessary deaths…

  315. Proud Obamacon says:

    Blas is a clown. You really want timelined quotes from your Orange Clown? Didn’t think so.

    Go grab your Confederate flag and find a state to LIBERATE you piece ch!t.

  316. Tgca says:

    Hey guys! Keep it clean. This is a G-rated family site.

    All this discussion of orgasms and creaming in your pants is not Christian-like behavior.

  317. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason Slobber Dog is your classic low IQ basement dwelling moron who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

    In reality, he knows nothing. He just regurgitates talking points. Then when challenged, he makes up ch!t. The irony is that all the chit he makes up, actually describes himself perfectly. FRUEDIAN? Hmm LOL

    He accuses others of basement dwelling, when he lives in his parents basement.

    He says others want to turn us into Venezuela, when he celebrates Venezuela on Steroid policy right here.

    He accuses others of wanting people to die when he admits he wants people to die because a Dem governor’s approval will go down.

    He claims to be a patriot when he protests against his country with the confederate flag.

    Can’t make this SH!T up!

    Jason the Slobber Dog is a disgrace. Go phuck yourself you piece of sh!t.

  318. Tgca says:

    Tres! Tres! Tres! Bebe!

  319. Tgca says:

    PO

    What state you in?

  320. Proud Obamacon says:

    “What state you in?

    Colorado

  321. NYCmike says:

    “LIBERATE tweets inciting open rebellion and further spreading of the virus”

    -It will be interesting to see if the virus spreads more when non-symptomatic people are out together after a month of being inside.

  322. NYCmike says:

    “when non-symptomatic people”

    -And I am making an assumption here, that there may be a few…..hopefully, that won’t be the case.

  323. NYCmike says:

    “Colorado”

    -Where cannabis shops are essential?

  324. Proud Obamacon says:

    It’s very possible the virus will spread as things reopen. That’s why its important to ease back into it and protect those that are most vulnerable along the way. It’s common sense.

    But in Jason’s world, this is no common sense, this is tyranny and the country must be LIBERATED by CONFEDERATE FLAG waving morons! What a sorry piece of sh!t he is.

  325. NYCmike says:

    “It’s very possible the virus will spread as things reopen. That’s why its important to ease back into it and protect those that are most vulnerable along the way. It’s common sense.”

    -Exactly.

    Which is why, after 4 weeks of flattening the curve, many states are starting to ease back open, while other ludicrous states are speaking about easing open in June, July, and even 2 years from now (NJ).

  326. Proud Obamacon says:

    “-Where cannabis shops are essential?”

    Marijuana businesses are classified as essential in half the country.

    Maybe Jason is smoking a joint. He took quite a beating just now. I feel bad now. LOL

  327. Robbie says:

    I’m very surprised the story about Oxford University’s vaccine hasn’t been bigger news.

    Right now, I think the number 1 priority of Republicans in DC should be to persuade Trump to be part of the consortium that produces the vaccine if it works.

    If it works and it’s available by September, Trump would almost certainly win re-election.

  328. jason says:

    Being a confederate would be a surprise to my vast legion of fans here, that is for sure.

    Bitter, I should get some points for “Go grab your Confederate flag and find a state to LIBERATE you piece ch!t”

    Most of the time I am lambasted for being a Lincoln sycophant.

    Oh well, you can’t please everybody.

    But forget the little communist apparatchik turd, we have bigger fish to fry.

    “Kristin Cavallari accuses Jay Cutler of ‘inappropriate marital conduct’ in divorce filing

  329. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Which is why, after 4 weeks of flattening the curve, many states are starting to ease back open, while other ludicrous states are speaking about easing open in June, July, and even 2 years from now (NJ).”

    Its time to open back up, but do it responsibly and slowly while monitoring conditions meticulously. Not sure what’s going on in NJ but they been hard hit so its not surprising that they be more cautious than other states.

    Colorado doing a great job with residents doing the best they can to protect themselves and others. It’s time to reopen though and we will do it in an orderly manner. Other states take note. Then again we don’t got many Confederates here like Jason trying to derail everything either.

  330. jason says:

    That’s why its important to ease back into it and protect those that are most vulnerable along the way. It’s common sense.”

    LOL, the little communist apparatchik turd is late to the party.

    I have been advocating this for weeks.

    This while the Dems and Roadkill Maggot have been rooting for the economy to crash and for more people to die because “it is bad for Trump”.

  331. jason says:

    Colorado has a moron for a Governor and an idiot as mayor in Denver.

    I would not be too optimistic.

  332. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Being a confederate would be a surprise to my vast legion of fans here, that is for sure.”

    HUH? Is that a joke? or what? confused. You talking about Phil and VC? LOL where they at? They abandoned you as you are getting demolished by truth.

    “But forget the little communist apparatchik turd, we have bigger fish to fry.

    “Kristin Cavallari accuses Jay Cutler of ‘inappropriate marital conduct’ in divorce filing”

    TRANSLATION: I Slobber dog just got the beatdown of my life. Please leave me alone. I can’t take any more doses of truths and facts! Let me discuss another topic with my little friends Phil and VC.

    OK Slobber Dog, I’m a take it easy on you. The funny thing is I dont even want to b!tch slap your sorry face, you just bring it on yourself by acting like a jacka$$. It was fun. Enjoy the circle jerk to your Orange Fantasy with Phil and VC. SICK! NAASTY!!

  333. jason says:

    Looks like we will close out at 23k new cases and 1400 deaths. The model predicted +1472, so right on the money.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/

  334. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Exclusive — Federal Health Officials Investigating Wuhan Lab Suspected of Leaking Coronavirus, Taxpayer Grants to Lab

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/27/exclusive-federal-health-officials-investigating-wuhan-lab-suspected-of-leaking-coronavirus-taxpayer-grants-to-lab/

  335. Proud Obamacon says:

    “I have been advocating this for weeks.

    This while the Dems and Roadkill Maggot have been rooting for the economy to crash and for more people to die because “it is bad for Trump”.”

    zzzz I’ve been advocating this even before the shelter in place orders started.

    Now Slobber Dog sees what’s working and wants to take credit for it while making up more lies to discredit those that actually originally came up with the plan LOVE THIS PLACE!

  336. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is having the biggest meltdown in history here because his dream of endless shutdown and hundreds of thousands of deaths and 18000 Dow are not happening.

  337. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Colorado has a moron for a Governor and an idiot as mayor in Denver.”

    Jason just googled the party affiliation of the Governor and Den Mayor and then like a robot pulled out his talking points for Democrats. Good Dog!

    LOL

  338. jason says:

    Now Slobber Dog sees what’s working”

    Roadkill Maggot admits Trump’s fantastic leadership is working?

    Wow, nice.

  339. Tina says:

    Keep the goblins out of this.

    Manu Raju
    @mkraju
    · 45m
    Bill and Melinda Gates joined House Dem caucus call today and “expressed their belief that centralized leadership from the CDC is required to scale our nation’s testing capacity to where it can support a healthy reopening of our economy,” per Dem readout of the call

  340. jason says:

    There are some decent Dems.

    The Dem rep in Michigan who was grateful to Trump for saving her life, and the Dem rep in Georgia who endorsed Trump and skewered the Dems are two examples. Both AA’s btw.

  341. Godfather says:

    The Godfather is back my fellow hedge hogs.

  342. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Roadkill Maggot admits Trump’s fantastic leadership is working?”

    LOL not surprised Jason Slobber Dog doesn’t understand Civics 101.

    The states are governed by the Governor. As much as Jason would like his Orange autocrat to dictate state policy, that’s not how it works. Sorry sport, take your autocratic garbage elsewhere.

  343. jason says:

    expressed their belief that centralized leadership ”

    LOL

    Leftists are big believers in “centralized leadership”.

    I am sure Roadkill Maggot is reporting to the Central Kommittee right now.

  344. jason says:

    The states are governed by the Governor.”

    Roadkill Maggot is a genius!

  345. Proud Obamacon says:

    ” is a genius!

    First intelligent statement Slobber Dog made ever. Wow there really is a first time for everything! Amazinggg!

  346. jason says:

    Nah, Democrats don’t want the shutdown to last forever…

    “In a separate news conference, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said his city’s economic reopening might not be completed until 2022”

  347. jason says:

    “Roadkill Maggot admits Trump’s fantastic leadership is working”

    Well, that WAS pretty smart.

    I give credit when it is due.

  348. jason says:

    The Godfather is back my fellow hedge hogs.”

    Hallelujah.

  349. Country Dick Montana says:

    1384 Deaths today. Only a 20% bump over Sunday (Average is 28%)Cases are way down, from 38598 on Friday to 23196 today.

    7 day average deaths ending:

    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987

    It look like we may have made the peak and are headed down.

    Tuesday is the big bump day, and we may see 1700 to 2100, along with all of those who make the weekly drive by concerned bout our “brutal numbers. But then it hopefully heads back down.

  350. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason Slobber Dog never stops distorting to make himself feel good about his sorry life.

    Let’s look at the quote:
    “In a separate news conference, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said his city’s economic reopening might not be completed until 2022”

    So NYC has been hit hard. It would not be surprising if it was one of the later cities to reopen. And of course when referencing 2022, Blas is talking about COMPLETING the reopening, not STARTING the reopening as Jason Slobber Dog wants to believe.

    Sorry Slobber Dog. I know your “vast legion of fans here” want you to make up your own alternate facts. But in the real world, yall about to have a rude awakening come November LOL

  351. Proud Obamacon says:

    “It look like we may have made the peak and are headed down

    Hope so! Most states and cities are ready to reopen. Let’s do this!

  352. Tina says:

    5 page document highlighting fibs plot to entrap General Flynn likely to be released tomorrow

  353. Tina says:

    Governor Blackface said it will take a year just to complete phase 1

  354. VictrC says:

    Good to see Liberals following Trumps plan to get the states back open. Seems he was right all along and it would be before May 1 because of the tireless work of this administration and staff

    Way to go

  355. Tina says:

    Margot Cleveland
    @ProfMJCleveland
    ·
    24m
    On thing that struck me from today’s coronavirus task force press briefing was that the federal government had to give each state a list of all the testing sites. If I were a governor, that would be one of the first tasks I’d have assigned & provided it to the feds!

  356. jason says:

    jason the confederate slobber dog…

    I should retire, there is really nothing more to aspire to.

  357. Bitterlaw says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8262673/Kristen-Cavallari-Jay-Cutler-split-day-got-home-Bahamas.html

    Jay Cutler update.

    He is getting divorced as soon as he returned from Covid flaunting trip.

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    Damn. I take a HHR break, find a Jay Cutler story and get scooped?!?

  359. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason is a confederate? That would be shock to Wes.

  360. jason says:

    jason is a Confederate has to be the best kept secret ever at HHR…

    I mean, unless wes is actually a GWB admirer.

  361. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    It is simple logic that Jason is a Confederate. The Confederacy represented the South; and Jason is from as far south as you can possibly get.

  362. ChrisTok says:

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  363. jason says:

    It is simple logic that Jason is a Confederate. The Confederacy represented the South; and Jason is from as far south as you can possibly get.”

    Ahhh, SDC understood Roadkill Maggot’s logic.

    He probably calls Eskimos Yankees.

  364. jason says:

    Golf courses, marinas and campgrounds reopen in PA on May 1st.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

  365. jason says:

    Yahoo today leads off with

    “New developments in alleged Biden assault saga”

    You never saw “alleged” or “saga” in any Kavanaugh MSM stories, but baby steps, baby steps.

  366. jason says:

    How is this for convoluted..

    “Developments in allegations against Biden amplify efforts to question his behavior,” the Washington Post

  367. jason says:

    Sen Blumenthal: “Well, you have given America an amazing teaching moment … in drugging and gang-raping, or allowing women to be gang-raped?”

  368. jason says:

    Pass the popcorn:

    “HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) — Allegations of campaign finance violations have been lodged against current Pennsylvania Auditor General, Eugene DePasquale (D).

    His opponent in the 10th Congressional District race, Tom Brier (D), filed the federal complaint last week.

    Brier said Monday his complaint is about ethics, not politics.

    “Federal Election Commission guidelines are very clear, you can’t use state money that you used for your state campaign for a federal race,” Brier said.

    Federal law does explicitly prohibit candidates from transferring or using funds from state-level campaigns for federal races.

    In the eight-page complaint, Brier accuses DePasquale of violating federal campaign finance law by misusing $113,050 from his state committee funds to get his congressional race off the ground before it was announced.”

  369. dblaikie says:

    Jason, I hope you bought the Pepcid stock! It was completely sold at the store. It would be a fitting story to this whole tragic saga to discover that an over the counter drug for heart burn helps with this virus. Just for that reason I hope it is true.

    With the current media the best we can hope for is a slow, grudging, winding trail of story concerning Uncle Joe being an abuser. However no matter how much the media tries to suppress it the genie is out of the bottle.

  370. dblaikie says:

    Testing, testing, testing has become the new battle cry for those who want to keep America closed. They have convinced me so much with their propaganda that I am not sure I am alive unless I get a test.

  371. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/covid-19-crisis-will-keep-furries-away-from-pittsburgh-this-summer/

    I am absolutely devastated by this turn of events. They did bring a lot of economic activity to Pittsburgh.

  372. jason the slobber dog confederate says:

    We should give Roadkill Maggot an IQ test to see if he tests as a moron or an imbecile.

  373. jason says:

    “In a separate news conference, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said his city’s economic reopening might not be completed until 2022”

    So NYC has been hit hard. It would not be surprising if it was one of the later cities to reopen. And of course when referencing 2022, Blas is talking about COMPLETING the reopening, not STARTING the reopening as Jason Slobber Dog wants to believe.”

    Huh, I put the quote up as written. It clearly says COMPLETING so I don’t know where the “slobber dog wants to believe” comes from.

    But ok, so now I want to know what Roadkill Maggot thinks should only be reopened in 2022.

    This should be goood…

  374. jason says:

    Pepcid all gone from the Bird-in-Hand Rite Aide. I will check out Intercourse, Blue Ball and Upper Leacock and East Lampeter township stores but not optimistic.

  375. jason says:

    I hope I don’t have to drive to Mount Joy, Virginville, or Noodle Doosie to find it.

  376. jason says:

    Suck it up, Country Dick.

    At least you will be spared Roadkill Maggot showing up as a jackass.

    Or Cash Cow, who intended to show up “au naturel”.

  377. Tina says:

    Tom Elliott
    @tomselliott
    · 4h
    .@JoeBiden: What we need is more “economic intercourse”

  378. jason says:

    Chris Murray model finally revised.

    Total deaths went up about 6k from 68k to 74k, but hopefully with the flattening out of the last couple days the next revision will be lower.

    By May 16 the US will be down to around 290 deaths a day nationally, and that is less than 3 weeks away.

    Some states of interest, deaths per day by May 16th.

    NY – 5
    PA – 3
    NJ – 3
    OH – 0
    CA – 0
    TX – 25 ( 2 by June 1)
    GA – 42 (10 by June 1)
    FL – 19 ( 2 by June 1)
    MI – 0

    TX, GA and FL were on a slower upswing and downswing curves before, these number don’t have anything to do with reopening orders, those effects if any will be seen later.
    VA – 1

    NC – 0

  379. dblaikie says:

    If General Flynn is exonerated this week as reports claim it will be huge down the road. It will lay bare the whole effort to frame Trump to the exclusion of everything else. Right now everyone is focusing on the virus but I predict by July the Democrats are going to be in desperate straights with Nancy, Chucky, Uncle Joe, and the gang.

  380. jason says:

    It should be noted that about 50% of the added deaths on the model pertain to increased projections for NY, MA, MI and CT.

  381. dblaikie says:

    Another huge factor is the drug the media politicized in its TDS. If the HCQ is proven effective at all it will be a pass the popcorn moment as we watch the media choke. I can see the ads now.

  382. jason says:

    I hope Flynn is exonerated. I hope Durnham indicts a bunch of people.

    However, I will believe it when I see it.

  383. jason says:

    Yesterday was a good day.

    Tgca said I was a Hillary supporter.

    Roadkill Maggot called me a Confederate.

    Today might be a letdown.

  384. dblaikie says:

    In those states if you are hit by truck but test positive for Covid, then you died from Covid.

    If you take those 4 states and add in NJ and take them out it paints a whole different picture for the Country.

  385. dblaikie says:

    Jason I don’t want you to have a bad day! I believe that you are a fan of Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee.

  386. jason says:

    Jason’s ignorance of Trumps capabilities”

    Oh, I forgot his.

    Ignorant of Trump’s capabilities.

    Now that hurts.

  387. Phil says:

    Soooooo, the Washington Post this morning suddenly has headlines on Biden and his sexual assault incident.

    Does anyone here believe for one second it’s the Washington Post wanting to suddenly have an urge to get to the bottom of the incident? Anyone? LOL

    They were given the green light to do this or it wouldn’t have happened. By who? The powers that be in the upper tier of the Democratic Party. They are increasingly coming to believe that Biden’s mental decline is such that he isn’t going to pull this off. It’s just becoming obvious to them that he’s too out of it to make it to November. They have to get him to quit….”voluntarily”. The fact that the Washington Post isn’t ignoring the story any longer tells you plenty.

    Democrats want to win. They are only interested in Biden if he can do it.

    Some of you here are blind to see what’s going on here….and it’s Sooooo obvious.

  388. mRviTO says:

    Chuck Ross
    @ChuckRossDC
    NEW: Christopher Steele revealed previously undisclosed meetings with DNC and Clinton campaign lawyers in 2016.

    One of those meetings explains why Steele began investigating the now-debunked lead on Alfa Bank.

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    At the time, Steele was working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, which means the DNC and the Clinton campaign were literally colluding with a Russian agent.

  389. Phil says:

    Democrats have three choices

    Roll the dice with Biden and gamble they hide his dementia for six and a half months until the election. More and more are, behind the scenes, coming to the conclusion they aren’t going to be able to pull that off. Media or no media in their corner.

    Choice two. Get him to voluntarily bow out and replace him with someone other than Bernie. The sexual assault issue will be their tool to force him out. This could be messy even if it is “voluntarily”.. Bernie and company won’t be happy.

    Third. I call it the hybrid policy. Keep Biden “officially” on the ticket but openly spread the word that Biden’s condition isn’t really a problem because his VP is the “real” candidate and can step in early in the Biden administration. The VP candidate become the default candidate. Use their MSM puppets to build her up. Hey people, you are not really voting for a mindless senile guy. You are REALLY voting for a dynamic VP who will assume the office early in the administration.

    It will play out in one of these three ways with option one becoming increasingly the most unlikely.

  390. Tina says:

    But Biden will help with “ economic intercourse.”

    Surely, he can read his notes better?

  391. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-bargain-with-the-devilbill-comes-due-for-overextended-airbnb-hosts-11588083336?mod=hp_lead_pos5

    This reminds me of the real estate bust in 2007-2008, as depicted in the “Big Short” when everyone was buying properties with easy money to flip.

  392. DW says:

    Dems almost have to wait until after the convention to dump Biden, otherwise Bernie demands, with good reason, to be the nominee. Once the delegates have no more power, then the power-brokers can pick who they want.

  393. jason says:

    Jason I don’t want you to have a bad day! I believe that you are a fan of Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee.”

    Thanks man. Don’t say anything about previous posts where I said I thought Sherman was right to burn down Atlanta.

  394. Phil says:

    Good point, DW. Makes sense.

  395. jason says:

    They will have to buy Bernie off with a platform to go even farther to the left.

  396. Phil says:

    Jason, 6 new cases in China and no deaths.

  397. dblaikie says:

    I have read the three options, but you have missed a fourth Sanders never released his delegates. He is the fourth option. However none of theses options are viable.

    In other words I believe the Dems are screwed. There only hope now is to pin all the Covid deaths on Trump.

  398. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    Interesting data on this page. If you get down to it CV19 deaths for people 65 and over are about 6% of all deaths fro ages 65 and above since the beginning of February.

    We shut everything down for that.

  399. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/older-american-health.htm

    And this page talks about the underlying health conditions of older people that make them susceptible to dying when their systems are stressed.

    A lot of the people who dies, would have died soon anyway.

  400. Phil says:

    One number I haven’t seen mentioned that I’ve been glancing at from time to time… Its the US corona virus patients in “serious and critical condition” number. It has steadily been on the rise since early March and has been a constant rise with a day in and day out increase. Always up each and every day. It reached almost 16K by early this weekend. Since then it has decreased each of the last three days. Dropped a net 10% over the last three days. Down to 14K.

    This is a good sign, right?

  401. Cash Cow TM says:

    “In the eight-page complaint, Brier accuses DePasquale of violating federal campaign finance law…”

    DePasquale…heh.

    Not sure how you pronounce that…

    But it reminds me of a song Walt sings sometimes when he is doing chores.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    …When Pasqually Was Playing In The Band…

    When Pasqually was a playin’ in the band,
    He forgot that he was taught to watch the leader’s hand,
    When the band began,
    Paswqually ran,
    For he had played his piece without the band.

    ***************************

  402. Cash Cow TM says:

    Speaking of chores,

    Walt finished setting all the 750 pounds of stones on the pallet around the inn ground fish pond under construction. He finished after dark last night.

    These stones supplemented the 750 pounds of flag stones he already had.
    ).
    Walt figures he handled each stone an average of 3 times. Do the math.

    You are all invited to come see the fishpond when it is completed. (everyone except Bubu and ProudObamacommieCon).

    Today, I will watch vacuum and dust.

  403. Cash Cow TM says:

    Speaking of CV-19 deaths in NY…

    Saw a chart on Facebook (yeah, I know…Facebook) that was supposedly from official numbers that showed that for one month prior to CV outbreak (and few if any CV-19 deaths?) there were something like 12,000 total deaths in NY (heart attacks, accidental deaths, murder, suicide, pneumonia, typhoid fever, anthrax, diabetes, etc. etc.).

    The month from March 15 to April 15 there were something like 9,000 deaths due to CV-019 and “only” 5,000 deaths attributed to any cause other than CV-19.

  404. Cash Cow TM says:

    “Today, I will watch vacuum and dust.”

    Watch WALT…

  405. MichiganGuy says:

    “Joe Biden Tells Miami TV Station He Would Bring Back Obama’s Cuba Policy”
    .
    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/04/28/joe-biden-tells-miami-tv-station-he-would-bring-back-obamas-cuba-policy/
    .
    Well, Biden can kiss any chances of winning Florida goodbye. 🙂

  406. Robbie says:

    President Anthony Fauci was at it again this morning. He suggested the US could be in for a nasty Fall if there’s no vaccine or treatment. And since there probably won’t be either, he was setting the stage for another round soul crushing lockdowns that all but destroy the economy.

  407. DW says:

    No more shut downs. Its time to just let it run its course. In addition to the harmful effects of a destroyed economy, the government just ends up picking and choosing who lives and dies. As it is right now, there are people out there who will die because of all this. Take a 50 year old person who was scheduled for a colonoscopy, say March 31. That appointment was delayed until some time in August. As it will turn out, the person will have incurable stage 4 cancer when discovered in August, but could have been cured had the colonoscopy been in March.

  408. Phil says:

    Still trying to understand the “greatness” of Fauci, Robbie.

    I don’t get the adulation for the guy. I just don’t.

  409. Phil says:

    …and, yeah, that’s exactly what he’s doing. Setting the stage.

  410. NYCmike says:

    “Still trying to understand the “greatness” of Fauci, Robbie.”

    3……2……1…….

    jason: “You rang?”

  411. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Have you gone to the doctor?

    I think you should, as all of a sudden you are making too much sense!

    It could be a sign of something serious!

  412. Country Dick Montana says:

    We are really beginning to see more and more civil disobedience, which is forcing some of the Governors’ hands. The entire country will be unlocked by June. If lockdowns happen again, I think that you will see a full blown open rebellion by a significant part of the population.

    I track a lot of 2A stuff and this is similar to VA and CO counties basically becoming sanctuaries for guns, against the urban areas. Counties will simply say NO to their Governors.

  413. jason says:

    After Fauci gets the Medal of Freedom, the Medal of Honor for Covid Combat, and the Nobel prizes for Peace, Medicine, Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Innovation, he will be honored with the highest A-hole Award, the A-hole Platinum Ring.

    All the haters can GFTs.

  414. jason says:

    I don’t think that is what Fauci is doing, btw.

    On the contrary, what he is doing is exactly the opposite.

    He wants to make sure that IF there is a second wave in the Fall, we are prepared for it and WON’T have to implement the kind of shutdowns we are seeing now.

    Dr. Birx has basicall said the same thing, a second wave is very possible, but she also it will be very different in terms on how it is dealt with.

  415. Tina says:

    Lawsuits against the Governor Facists.

    Protests.

    Governor Nuissance was hit with 4 suits from Harmeet alone

    Harmeet K. Dhillon
    @pnjaban
    ·
    11h
    We’ve sued California several times in the last two weeks:
    * Gish v. Newsom-religious liberty
    * Benitez v. Newsom-to block $75 million slush fund distributed to undocumented workers;
    * Gondola Ventures v. Newsom (business reopening) &
    * Givens v. Newsom-right to assemble/protest/

  416. jason says:

    I was going fishing today but it is cold and windy.

    Golf courses will be open Friday but every a-hole and his brother will be out, so forget that.

    Looks like I will have to remain here for the rest of the week and wave the confederate flag in Roadkill Maggot’s face.

  417. Tina says:

    First we had the empty hospitals and Tik Tok Nurses dancing.

    Now, the empty testing facilities because nobody has symptoms.

    Enough Trump, take control of this sheot show.

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    ·
    2h
    2/ If you don’t want to read the emails, this live (~1 hour ago) photo from a Virginia testing site tells the story. THE LACK OF TESTING DEMAND IS THIS WEEK’S VERSION OF THE EMPTY HOSPITALS FROM THREE WEEKS AGO; it tells the key story about where the “epidemic” is headed.

  418. jason says:

    So we now know who the true fascist governors are.

    Dimwit, Blackface, Newsome, Inslee, Cooper, Lamont, Sisolak and the NJ turd, forget his name. The Vermont governor is a moron who closed off parts of stores for no reason, a la Dimwit, but he is starting to re-open.

    I give Cuomo a pass (on draconian measures, not on his handling of the crisis) because he really was the hardest hit and he had no choice but to try to mitigate the situation with every tool available.

  419. jason says:

    Yep, the testing facility closest to me had lines of cars the first couple weeks, now there is no line.

  420. NYCmike says:

    I don’t think a vaccine is guaranteed.

    The onset of the flu months will be a source of much tension……will Robbie stay home and allow the media/Democratic Party to rule us like subjects, or vote for Trump to deal with us as citizens?

  421. NYCmike says:

    “I give Cuomo a pass (on draconian measures, not on his handling of the crisis) because he really was the hardest hit and he had no choice but to try to mitigate the situation with every tool available.”

    -Screw that!

    They sent Wuhan-infected senior citizens back to their group homes, took too long to shut the schools, shortened the trains instead of making each train as long as possible, built bike lanes the past 6 years instead of buying ventilators and fracking……and YES, he does have a hand with bike lanes, as the state has control over certain aspects which Deblasio must get permission for.

  422. NYCmike says:

    “and the NJ turd, forget his name.”

    Murphy – Democrat, Goldman Sachs.

  423. jason says:

    Robbie,

    Have you gone to the doctor?

    I think you should, as all of a sudden you are making too much sense!”

    He seems to have stopped coming here just to regurgitate MSNBC talking points and is actually attempting to make a contribution to the conversation.

  424. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    April 28, 2020 at 12:09 pm
    Still trying to understand the “greatness” of Fauci, Robbie.
    I don’t get the adulation for the guy. I just don’t.

    – Nor do I. He’s an AIDS researcher who hasn’t seen a patient in 20 years. Yet, he’s setting economic policy based on an upper respiratory disease.

  425. jason says:

    “I give Cuomo a pass (on draconian measures, not on his handling of the crisis) because he really was the hardest hit and he had no choice but to try to mitigate the situation with every tool available.”

    -Screw that!”

    I said I did not give him a pass on management of the crisis.

    I gave him a pass on imposing a strict shutdown because I don’t think he had any choice.

  426. Phil says:

    and then we have Rahm Emanuel’s brother who says we have to shut down for another year and a half. He says “we have no choice”. Yeah, buddy. No choice…because you said so. Right?

    The left would LOVE that, wouldn’t they?

  427. Hugh says:

    Fauci contradicts himself constantly depending on his audience. Another example of trump picking poor advisors that he can’t get rid of easily

  428. jason says:

    Yet, he’s setting economic policy based on an upper respiratory disease.”

    Wrong.

    If that is what he is doing, blame Trump, not him.

    I think he is giving the best advice possible to the President, who then has to weigh it against other considerations.

    I think Fauci has been correct on everything since since the dimensions of the crisis became clear. His recommendations are working, there is no doubt of that.

    His role is to recommend what needs to be done to combat and treat the virus. On that front, I think he and Birx and Pence and the others on the task force have been stellar.

    The President and the governors can decide how to balance out what the task force recommends against the economic burden it might represent.

  429. Tina says:

    Trump slams Piglosi. The house is not returning.

    Retweeted

    thebradfordfile™
    @thebradfordfile
    ·
    1m
    Trump: Democrats are enjoying their vacation. Just look at Nancy Pelosi eating her ice cream!

  430. jason says:

    Another example of trump picking poor advisors that he can’t get rid of easily”

    Fauci is the leading expert in infectious diseases in the country, so it is hard to see how “poor advisor” fits in.

  431. Pitchaboy says:

    Fauci is a scientist, pure and simple and a bit of an Eeyore. Birx mixes science with political consideration.

  432. Phil says:

    I agree on Birx and Pence. Steller. Fauci? I hope he’s not suggesting we can’t be open in the fall. Maybe it’s a matter of degree with him. I don’t know.

  433. Phil says:

    Yes, a bit of an Eeyore. That I agree with. Birx? Love her.

  434. Phil says:

    …and of course the elites and media now absolutely hate Dr Birx. They Love Fauci. You have to ask yourself why. I think because she doesn’t project doom and gloom. They’ve really turned on her. The MSM NEEDS doom and gloom to get rid of Trump in November.

  435. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    April 28, 2020 at 12:57 pm
    and then we have Rahm Emanuel’s brother who says we have to shut down for another year and a half. He says “we have no choice”. Yeah, buddy. No choice…because you said so. Right?
    The left would LOVE that, wouldn’t they?

    – On March 27, Zeke Emanuel said there would be 100 million cases in the US by mid April.

  436. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    Yet, he’s setting economic policy based on an upper respiratory disease.”
    Wrong.
    If that is what he is doing, blame Trump, not him.

    – In this climate, could Trump really ignore Fauci’s advice? He would be skewered. Trump’s been backed into a corner on this one.

  437. NYCmike says:

    ” Trump’s been backed into a corner on this one.”

    -States are already starting to re-open. Other states will follow.

    Fauci will gradually lose his platform, as the numbers dwindle.

    President Trump will maintain his position.

    In November, Robbie will make a decision.

    Will he listen to Jennifer Rubin, Joe&Mika and Maggie Haberman, or Andrew McCarthy, VDH, and Hannity?

  438. NYCmike says:

    Robbie,

    Did you call that guy on Long Island and apologize for besmirching his reputation over the hydroxy issue?

  439. Scooterboy says:

    Hillary endorses Creepy Joe.

  440. NYCmike says:

    “Hillary endorses Creepy Joe.”

    There is your answer.
    -Jebot

  441. Scooterboy says:

    On the same day Hillary endorses Biden, she realeases a special video message to Tara Reade. Hillary-“You have a right to be heard, and you have a right to be believed”.

  442. jason says:

    Hillary endorses a Dem for President?

  443. jason says:

    NJ reporting 398 deaths, here is the usual pattern, these are obviously not all today, they only reported 106 yesterday. But NY is only reporting 243 deaths in their early report.

  444. Tina says:

    Once Texas and Florida reopens. There will be a domino effect. Both will likely do so by Friday.

  445. Tina says:

    So, the jebots and never trumpets were wrong about an affair with stormy.

    Chuck Woolery
    @chuckwoolery
    JUST ANOTHER LIE POUNDED BY THE MEDIA……Porn star Stormy Daniels now says Trump affair never happened – https://go.shr.lc/2WIJH09
    @washtimes

  446. Pitchaboy says:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/india-serum-institute-millions-oxford-university-vaccine-before-approval-2020-4

    Either the Indian company is gutsy or they are stupid or they have good preliminary info.

  447. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    April 28, 2020 at 2:22 pm
    https://www.businessinsider.com/india-serum-institute-millions-oxford-university-vaccine-before-approval-2020-4
    Either the Indian company is gutsy or they are stupid or they have good preliminary info.

    – I’ve read that most pharmaceutical companies have decided to make large quantities of their vaccines in anticipation they gain approval so they can be administered as quickly as possible. For instance, JNJ has said they will have 300 million to 600 million doses ready by early 2021.

    In the case of Oxford University, they’ve proven their vaccine’s effectiveness in rhesus monkeys at the NIH lab in Montana. Monkeys aren’t humans, but Sarah Gilbert, who runs the project, put approval at 80% three weeks ago. Also, the safety of the vaccine was proven last years because the same technique was applied to another virus.

    That said, I think most governments have decided to back production in parallel with development. They’re willing to eat the cost if it fails because the upside is so much bigger.

  448. Robbie says:

    *Walter Bloomberg
    @DeItaOne
    PFIZER COULD BEGIN U.S. TESTING OF CORONAVIRUS VACCINE AS SOON AS NEXT WEEK, COMPANY SAYS

    *Walter Bloomberg
    @DeItaOne
    PFIZER CORONAVIRUS VACCINE COULD BE READY FOR EMERGENCY USE BY FALL IF PASSES TESTING, COMPANY SAYS

    – Optimism is important. Production in parallel to testing is important. However, I think “challenge trials” could be the key to a quick approval.

  449. Tina says:

    Trump to bill China, like Mullah Muriel.

    https://mol.im/a/8263729

  450. NYCmike says:

    “– Optimism is important.”

    -Remember this statement, Robbie.

    Apply it to how the media frames Trump’s previous statements to try and make him look bad.

  451. Tina says:

    Wow, Flynn’s lawyer claims that the corrupt Department of Unjustice his 6,800 documents.

    See new Tweets
    Conversation

    Techno Fog
    @Techno_Fog
    New Flynn filing:

    Flynn’s prior lawyers have found “approximately 6,800 documents and emails” that were not previously produced to Flynn and
    @SidneyPowell1

    Full doc:
    https://scribd.com/document/458828665/US-v-Flynn

  452. jason says:

    That was in 2018… then she met Avenatti…

  453. jason says:

    Ok, Joe, thanks for clearing that up:

    JOE BIDEN: “My son’s business dealings [in China] were not anything what everybody that he’s talking about, not even remotely, number one.”

  454. Tina says:

    Actually Covington, former law firm, failed to provide the 6,800 documents to Flynn’s new attorney.

  455. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot to say we must be missing the context in 3, 2, 1….

  456. Tina says:

    Eric Holder is a partner in Covington.

  457. Robbie says:

    If I were Trump, I would make my number one priority right now the quick discovery and approval of a vaccine. It would be good for the economy, good for our mental health, and, most importantly for Trump, good politically. If Trump is able to announce in late August or early September, a vaccine has been approved and it will be administered over the course of the Fall, he would guarantee himself re-election.

    How should he do it? For starters, read what Henry Miller, former “biotech czar” at the FDA wrote last week in the WSJ. Next, enter into consortiums with European governments working on their own vaccines. Honestly, The US and Great Britain should be full steam ahead on Oxford’s vaccine. Same for Pfizer. Ensure production can ramp up in ways not seen since the WWII mobilization.

    I also think “challenge trials” should be used. I read several thousand people in the US have already signed up for this. They would be injected with the vaccine and then exposed to coronavirus. If they know the risks and are willing, the FDA should seriously consider it. Quite honestly, we could probably know by June whether Oxford’s vaccine worked if that was done.

    Regardless, the question is whether the FDA is built for an acute crisis like this. To be honest, I just don’t know, but I hope they are. This is once in a century crisis and many oof the old rules can’t apply.

  458. Pitchaboy says:

    Believe there will be a vaccine by this winter

  459. Robbie says:

    Let me add some color to one part of my post in 482. “Challenge trials” are a risky business, but this is an acute crisis and the FDA needs to recognize that. Once again, if I were Trump, I’d tell the FDA to go ahead with challenge trials (assuming the vaccine is safe, of course). If the head of the FDA is unwilling, he should tell them he’ll find someone who will.

    Again, if Trump can announce a vaccine has been approved by September, he’ll almost certainly win, right?

  460. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    April 28, 2020 at 3:05 pm
    Believe there will be a vaccine by this winter

    – What do you think about challenge trials? It would be risky for the risk adverse FDA, but last week House members, including many Democrats, wrote the FDA urging them. Theoretically, we could know by July 4th, whether they worked. And if we are nearing the end of this outbreak, it would be a lot tougher to test a vaccine under the normal rules if few are actually getting the virus.

  461. dblaikie says:

    I have always said that the way out of this mess is not just testing, testing, testing. Instead it is treatments, treatments, treatments until we get a vaccine. If one is available by the Fall that is wonderful! In the next month we will get the result of all the tests for the various medications to treat this virus. Along with sunlight, humidity and heat they can provide a bridge until the vaccine is available.

    By the way, I want to complement Robbie on his recent posts. They have added to ongoing conversation at HHR. Hope it lasts.

  462. jason says:

    Many states don’t report recovered stats, PA does not, but even so the US at 140000 has the most recovered cases in the world.

  463. PresidentPaul! says:

    Biden was going to get to talk today, but he used the toothpaste as his hair gel again so his handlers had to have him go back in the house.

  464. NYCmike says:

    “If I were Trump, I would make my number one priority right now the quick discovery and approval of a vaccine.”

    -I disagree.

    First job is to get the economy moving again, as the health issue should subside for the next several months.

    Let Pence oversee their health officials, and use Congress to help push the bureaucracy to prioritize this.

    Once things have been shown to work, THEN Trump can jump in and let the American VOTER know what his administration has been doing.

  465. NYCmike says:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/recognise-israel-annexation-west-bank-jordan-valley-200428080228123.html

    -In 1948, Palestinians were given a choice, to either develop the land which the United Nations gave it, or go to war with Israel.

    They chose……..POORLY!

    GFY al(gore) Jazeera!

  466. Tina says:

    There is no guarantee of a vaccine,

    Look at SARS as an example.

    We need to reopen,

  467. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Sweden’s death toll for April 28 is considerably lower than prior Tuesdays of this month.

    April 7 114
    April 14 114
    April 21 185
    April 28 81

    Yet the total number of new cases are up to 695, up from 545 last week. Perhaps its a result of increased testing.

    Anders Tegnell, the chief immunologist for Sweden’s public health agency believes that up to 25% of the population of Stockholm may have been exposed to the virus and may be immune, and that about 27% of hospital staff has been exposed. He stated in an interview: “We could reach herd immunity in Stockholm within a matter of weeks.”

  468. Pitchaboy says:

    Challenging will not be required. The antibodies have withstood challenge in primates already. They need to give the vaccine and document a brisk elevation of neutralizing IGG antibodies.

  469. Tina says:

    China Biden falls asleep interviewing her Thighness from his basement

    https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1255224990863167497

  470. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    492. Here is the reason no vaccine was developed for SARS, from the South China Morning News:

    “The first human trial of a possible Sars vaccine was conducted in Beijing in December 2004, but by that time the epidemic was over, and research into other diseases was given priority so it was shelved.”

  471. PresidentPaul! says:

    Demented Joe to bring back his mullet to get his campaign on track.

    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1254966967271899136?s=20

  472. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm
    There is no guarantee of a vaccine,
    Look at SARS as an example.
    We need to reopen,

    – You’re right. There’s no guarantee there will be a vaccine. and I’m not suggesting life should remain in limbo until there is one. I think we should be opening right now.

    It’s also true there is no vaccine for SARS, but it’s also true SARS came and went in 2003 so there was no need or desire to fund a vaccine effort.

    Regardless, I think a push for a vaccine should be a key push by Trump. Whether we like it or not, it’s probably the only thing that can restore the massive amount of confidence lost from coronavirus.

    Talking up the economy is fine, but it can only go so far.

  473. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    April 28, 2020 at 4:28 pm
    Challenging will not be required. The antibodies have withstood challenge in primates already. They need to give the vaccine and document a brisk elevation of neutralizing IGG antibodies.

    – So administer the vaccine and then check back in eight weeks or so to see if those who received it developed the proper antibodies? Am I understanding you correctly?

    If that’s the case, then we should know about Oxford’s vaccine by the start of July since they’re entering stage2/3 trials with 6000 people next week.

  474. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Things are beginning to open up in San Diego. They have opened the parks and beaches. Mayor Faulconer complimented people for acting responsiblity at the beaches and said it was “very, very encouraging.” Newsom is no talking about possibly reopening schools in July.

    It is going to be slow, incremental steps; and will depend on wht happens with the virus.

  475. PresidentPaul! says:

    Cool you have igG antibodies. Now do they actually protect against what you expect them to protect against.

  476. Pitchaboy says:

    Vaccine will be given to volunteers who have not had exposure as shown by negative antibodies at start. Measure antibodies at 4, 6 and 8 weeks thereafter (something to that effect) and see what percentage develop good IGG titres and also assess for side effects

  477. PresidentPaul! says:

    Why is Hillary endorsing Joe amid a sexual assault scandal without an investigation first?

  478. PresidentPaul! says:

    Maybe test if the antibodies actually protect from covid-19.

  479. Tgca says:

    I think when this is all over and they do all their political investigations and lessons learned are drafted, it will be that Fauci and WHO badly miscalculated and put their trust very naively into China. The result. These political appointees will retire from public life, and not be missed.

    You don’t reward the fire chief for putting out a fire if the fire chief approved faulty wiring that caused the fire in the 1st place.

  480. NYCmike says:

    “You don’t reward the fire chief for putting out a fire if the fire chief approved faulty wiring that caused the fire in the 1st place.”

    -Alpaca shepherds have a different thought process.

  481. NYCmike says:

    https://thebulwark.com/covid-19-is-this-generations-vietnam/

    -What a ridiculous article.

    The Bulwark is absolute junk.

  482. dblaikie says:

    It seems to me very unlikely that antibodies won’t be effective. The only way they wouldn’t work is if the virus mutates every ten days.

  483. PresidentPaul! says:

    Vietnam killed people who 20 years old though not nursing home residents, and of course the injuries that lasted a lifetime.

  484. Tina says:

    This guy loves hanging out with the mullahs.

    Chris Murphy
    @ChrisMurphyCT
    · 39m
    We don’t know where the virus started. But Trump was warned that the Wuhan lab had security issues. And instead of following up, he pulled most of our health staff out of China.

    @SenMarkey and I sent a letter to Secretary Pompeo today asking questions.
    https://washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/28/senators-demand-answers-pompeo-wuhan-lab-cables/

  485. Tgca says:

    Hey Walt! If you’re looking for a nice younger mate check out 512.

  486. Tgca says:

    511 Walt not 512.

  487. Cash Cow TM says:

    Walt said that woman is way too young for him.

  488. Tgca says:

    Who is this Flake guy? Never heard of him? Why is it important to us what he thinks?

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/04/28/former-gop-sen-jeff-flake-says-he-wont-vote-donald-trump-2020/

  489. mRviTO says:

    Allan Smith
    @akarl_smith
    ·
    52m
    Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear went off on people using fake names to file for unemployment benefits, citing a person who filed as “Tupac Shakur.”

    One problem: Tupac Shakur is a real Kentucky resident who was laid off. He’s still waiting on those benefits

  490. PresidentPaul! says:

    Is Paul Ryan voting for Trump?

  491. Pitchaboy says:

    Neutralizing IGG antibodies are protective against viruses. Not everybody develops it and ithe response depends on a bunch of factors. A good vaccine should stimulate them in 70 to 80 percent of those who get the vaccine

  492. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    519. Certain posters need to do some research about how antibody-mediated immunity arises as a result of exposure to a pathogen.

  493. Tgca says:

    Oh nice. Another opportunity for celebrities to do self-promo so people don’t forget who they are and how they can show the world they are “just like the rest of us” deep down inside.

    Perhaps if every one of these celebrities just gave 5% of their wealth during this once in a life time catastrophic event, we could raise much more than any relief event could, well over a billion. Oprah alone could donate $100M.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/28/oprah-george-w-bush-among-200-stars-to-appear-in-24-hour-global-virus-relief-event/

  494. Paul says:

    What’s your thoughts on the anti-vax conspiracy peddlers? I appear to be getting some of it from right-wing and left-wing people that should know better. They think that Bill Gates is going to force everyone to get a vaccine and a microchip thrown in for free!

  495. Country Dick Montana says:

    Looks like we will around 2350 deaths reported today, a 69% increase over yesterday and over twice as many as Sunday. This is the pattern, Tuesdays average nearly 60% higher than the previous Monday.

    (Cue the “Oh too bad these are brutal numbers” posts)

    Here is the good news, last Tuesday was 2665 deaths.

    Rolling 7 Day average

    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987
    4/28 – 1942

    Still headed in the right direction.

  496. PresidentPaul! says:

    Jennifer Zeng ?? liked

    Jack Posobiec
    @JackPosobiec
    ·
    21h
    BREAKING: The Trump Administration has suspended all US funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology

  497. Country Dick Montana says:

    And since that last post, a dump of about 100 from somewhere

  498. PresidentPaul! says:

    519 & 520
    I agree with the “show me state.”

    A vaccine needs to show that the igG you’re developing will protect you from covid-19.

    HIV people have igG to HIV. Are they protected?

    I know, I know bad and unfair example.

    But show me nonetheless.

  499. dblaikie says:

    I am posting this for a sense of perspective. The total mortality rate for the states of New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut is 34,828 people. The number of fatalities for the other 46 states combined is 24,397. I will let you interpret what that data means? But it seems to me we have two Covid19 stories. One is the metro New York City area and the other is the rest of the country.

  500. Victrc says:

    This is why conservatives do not trust the media. Even when proven wrong they still refuse to tell the truth. Wtf and in front of the S Korean govt official who is with Trump.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6152660256001#sp=show-clips

  501. PresidentPaul! says:

    Whaaatt!

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/airline-removes-gas-mask-wearing-passenger-panics-travelers/story?id=68687275

    February 1st 2020: Airline removes gas mask-wearing passenger after he panics travelers.

    Are we sure they deserve a bailout?

  502. PresidentPaul! says:

    Some Chinese guys were hacking up coronavirus on the plane, and all that dude wanted to do was wear his gas mask.

  503. jason says:

    You don’t reward the fire chief for putting out a fire if the fire chief approved faulty wiring that caused the fire in the 1st place.”

    -Alpaca shepherds have a different thought process.”

    Absolutely. They certainly don’t fall for cheap hackneyed meaningless slogans, especially when they have nothing to do with the actual situation.

  504. Robbie says:

    Considering Tuesday is usually the day when backlogged cases from the weekend are dumped, a little more than 25,000 new cases is not all that bad. It’s certainly down from the 30,000 clip we were at last week.

  505. jason says:

    Here is the good news, last Tuesday was 2665 deaths.”

    The other good news is the 25k in new cases, we are back where we were around March 31.

    Since the deaths lag the new cases, this is a good trend.

  506. jason says:

    We might have the least number of cases tomorrow since March 30.

  507. jason says:

    Look at the active case curve, looks like it is topping.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

  508. Country Dick Montana says:

    Updated for the late dump

    2470 Reported deaths, a 79% increase over yesterday, pretty much a new record. NJ recorded almost 4x yesterday’s deaths (398 vs. 106.) PA over 5x yesterday (200 vs 37.)

    So we don’t count on Sundays, and Monday’s we are hung over or tired from digging up “probables” to add to the total.

    Nonetheless, Rolling 7 Day average Deaths

    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987
    4/28 – 1959

    We are basically back to where we were on 4/14.

  509. jason says:

    Worldometer shows 1861 cases and 200 deaths for PA.

    But actually PA had 1200 cases and 120 deaths.

  510. Country Dick Montana says:

    540- I noticed that previously. This is what Worldometer states:

    “Most state reports and dashboards (such as Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Missouri, etc.) lag behind or show incomplete data with respect to the data shown by individual counties on their official websites and dashboards, which is what we collecte and aggregate when possible to show the most updated and accurate number in the table below.”

  511. Tgca says:

    534

    Not a slogan, an analogy. There’s a difference llama lover!

  512. PresidentPaul! says:

    China loses its main business model
    China asks banks to halt new sales of products that may lead to unlimited losses: sources

  513. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    BREAKING: Justin Amash running for the Presidency as a Libertarian.

  514. Phil says:

    NY, Pa, Connecticut, Massachusetts, NJ, Illinois, and Michigan are killing us. Nuke em. That or just let them form their own separate union. They can call it the United Blue States of Coronavirus. Let them close down forever and enjoy wallowing in their endless shut downs. They can elect Rahm Emanuel’s brother as their president. He’d be perfect.

    Those of us in the rest of the states shouldn’t have to have our own economies wrecked based on their endless daily bad numbers.

    Screw em.

  515. Paul says:

    Amash running for president might affect Michigan. But I’m not sure if he peels away never Trumpers from Biden and helps Trump. Or if he splits the conservatives and helps Biden.

  516. Phil says:

    People voting for Amash were never going to vote for Trump. Won’t hurt Trump a bit.

  517. Paul says:

    Amash probably mostly takes away Biden votes.

  518. mRviTO says:

    Amash will draw the same kooks from the left and right that hate Trump because he is too soft on the JOOOOOS.

  519. Phil says:

    The guy voted to impeach Trump. He’s a magnet for Trump haters. If anything he takes a handful of votes from the Democrat.

  520. mRviTO says:

    Lone comment on Haaretz about Amash.

    Paul 21:03 14.04.2020
    He doesn’t seem obnoxious and phony like Rashida Tlaib

  521. PresidentPaul! says:

    Biden’s all-femaleVP-#metoo-lineup staying entirely silent on the Tara Reid accusations.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-vp-tara-reade_n_5ea86f02c5b66d8003aac14f

  522. jason says:

    LOL

    “The good news for Stacey Abrams is that if Biden doesn’t pick her, she can still walk around for years claiming she’s the VP.”

    and

    “Can she hold VP and Governor positions at the same time?”

  523. jason says:

    Maybe he can pick Massie as VP and have all Paulbot ticket.

  524. PresidentPaul! says:

    #555
    You’re the Hillary voter though right?

  525. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – Nobody at HHR has been more vocal about the overly excessive shutdown. I agree that states with few cases need to be allowed to reopen quickly.

    However, you act like the victims of the disease somehow deserved it and their deaths don’t matter. Should I feel the same way when a hurricane wipes out the coast? Should I feel contempt for people who live in Oklahoma and Texas and other places prone to tornadoes when they are killed? I can’t believe you are this cold.

  526. Tgca says:

    558

    I don’t agree with Phil either in 546 about these states. Nuke them! Really? How could he? How could he forget to include CA. I find that outrageous!

  527. Tina says:

    Peoples_Pundit
    @Peoples_Pundit
    ·
    5h
    Silver Lining:
    @Conferenceboard
    Consumer Confidence Index fell 31.9 points to 86.9 in April, but…

    1. Historic low was measured February 2009 during the Great Recession. It was 25.0.

    2. Consumers’ short-term outlook improved from 86.8 in March to 93.8.
    https://ppdnews.us/lOrdiDU

  528. Phil says:

    China figures out. Eighth day out of the last 9 with no reported deaths.

    Usually when someone lies they at least make an attempt to make it believable.

    Not the Chinese.

  529. PresidentPaul! says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bV4eYj24Fg

    Live with wallstreetformainstreet

  530. PresidentPaul! says:

    Common Core can make your child as smart as Jeb and W

    Study Finds ‘Historic’ Drop In Math, Reading Scores Since Adoption Of Common Core

    https://pioneerinstitute.org/academic-standards/study-finds-historic-drop-in-national-reading-and-math-scores-since-adoption-of-common-core-curriculum-standards

    While Common Core was promoted as improving the international competitiveness of U.S. students in math, our international standing has remained low while the skills of average and lower performing American students have dropped in both math and reading. -Pioneer Institute

  531. PresidentPaul! says:

    The only way to actually teach English is via sentence diagramming. It’s the ONLY way, but our kids spend 12 years studying doing something else.

    That’s why they get smashed when they try to take the ACT.

  532. PresidentPaul! says:

    We have Demented Joe as our leader. The American Idiocracy is here finally

  533. Victrc says:

    So the question is will Amash get as many votes as Gary Johnson? I don’t think so. Amash is an anti-Semitic Paulbot who was going to lose in a primary in his district.

    The only place he might damage Trump is Michigan but I guess we will see. As some have said he will pull some of the Bernie Sanders druggie vote.

  534. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    “HIV people have igG to HIV. Are they protected?”

    Initially, the answer likely is yes, and the HIV antibody test determines if someone has HIV. However, the AIDS virus is able to evade the antibody response and insert itself into CD4 an other types of immune cells; after often many years it can increase its reproduction rate and cause the host’s immune system to malfunction, which exposes the host to opportunitistic infections that regularly resulted in death — prior to drugs that suppressed HIV replication.

  535. PresidentPaul! says:

    #567
    Just like companies have to prove a medicine actually works via evidence based approach they have to prove a vaccine actually works via evidence not prove that a vaccine causes someone to make igG.

    You could inject a person with pollen antigens and if you do it enough they will make some igG towards it (probably won’t protect your from coronavirus.) If you did it enough times maybe they would make some igE and maybe they might lose their allergies?

    Or maybe they wouldn’t even do that, and your anti-allergy shots would have been a failure. Or maybe they made the igE but for some reason they still had allergies.

    You need evidence.

  536. Tina says:

    Yes, round up the Jewish people, Fuhrer.

    Mayor Bill de Blasio
    @NYCMayor
    · 2h
    My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.

  537. PresidentPaul! says:

    Funny you mention CD4 T-cells

    Covid-19 attacking T-cells.
    Coronavirus could attack immune system like HIV by targeting protective cells, warn scientists

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079443/coronavirus-could-target-immune-system-targeting-protective

    True? Who knows.

  538. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    371.. One major difference is CORVID-19 will kill the T-cell it infects. HIV will turn the CD4 T-cell it infects into what amounts to a virus factory, and the infection remains.

  539. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    Do you remember the AZ woman who claimed that her husband died after ingesting fish tank fluid because Trump directed him to do it?

    She is now under active investigation for murder!

  540. Pitchaboy says:

    https://journals.lww.com/co-hivandaids/Abstract/2019/07000/Neutralizing_antibodies_for_HIV_1_prevention.13.aspx

    The antibody we detect on HIV test is not neutralizing. Furthermore the virus infects the T cells and evades immune response. Unique modus operandi for T cell viruses. Coronavirus is found mostly in cells of the lungs, kidneys, heart and GI tract. It does hit and kill T cells, but that is just a minute part of its havoc

  541. Country Dick Montana says:

    558 – BL, while there have been some over the top comments about the NE, it is likely out of frustration.

    The problem with the comparisons is that when the coasts get hammered by hurricanes or the midwest and south get hit with tornadoes they are the only ones that suffer. While the people of the northeast may provide donations and feel sympathy for the plight of those affected by natural disasters, they still go to work. Midwesterners may be under curfew with the National Guard policing it, New Yorkers are still going about their lives.

    If you remember back to Superstorm Sandy, one would have thought that it was the end of the world, because rich northeasterners lost their second homes. I think that we get an oversized sense of disaster when things affect the northeast, especially NY and NYC because that is where the national media is based.

    I doubt that anyone here is cold enough to hope for deaths only in one part of the country.

  542. jason says:

    She is now under active investigation for murder!”

    Evidently the guy was not likely to have ingested this on his own.

  543. MichiganGuy says:

    So while Trump is down in the head to head polls with Biden. He is beating him handily in the enthusiasm department. “Less than half of Joe Biden voters, 45%, said they were very or extremely excited to support Biden in the general election, compared to 64% of Trump voters that said they were very or extremely excited to support Trump in November. Nearly a quarter of Biden’s supporters, 26%, said they were not that excited, compared to 15% of Trump voters.”
    .
    https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/april-national-poll-trump-down-but-not-out-as-enthusiasm-and-expectation-favor-the-president
    .
    That is why he won in 2016.
    Michael Steele said Trump could win in September 2016
    “You can have all the infrastructure you want, but if people are not inspired or excited to vote for you, then it is not going to do you any good,” said Michael Steele, a former chairman of the RNC. “You can have very little, or weak, infrastructure, but if you create momentum or a force majeure that wins the argument.”

  544. jason says:

    I doubt that anyone here is cold enough to hope for deaths only in one part of the country.”

    Roadkill Maggot is very insulted, he wants everyone to know he hopes for more deaths in all parts of the country.

  545. jason says:

    Has Amash actually secured the Libertarian nomination yet?

    I don’t know why they would want him, he is certainly no libertarian.

  546. dblaikie says:

    Remdesivir is getting good news today. I guess we can now say with authority that the Chinese Study that was leaked, was bogus. Here is a link: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/gilead-reports-positive-data-on-remdesivir-coronavirus-drug-trial.html

  547. dblaikie says:

    Let’s be clear, the only reason that jerk Amash is doing this is because he has no chance in his district. I hope he wins the Libertarian nomination because the only votes he will attract are people who will never vote for Trump. He gives the Bernie Bros a place to go if they can’t vote for Trump.

  548. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/reopen-north-carolina-rally-organizer-arrest-coronavirus-lockdown-stay-at-home

    The the voice of sanity in the Duke Lacrosse scandal notwithstanding, Roy Cooper pretty much has gone to the dark side. Used to like him.

  549. MichiganGuy says:

    If you have any doubt that Mayor Bill de Blasio is a scumbag check this out.
    .
    https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1255474142666768386?s=19

  550. Scooterboy says:

    M. Joseph Sheppard-
    Maryland’s 7th Congressional District (D +26 rating) special today (to replace the late Elijah Cummings

    Kweisi Mfume(D) 72.5 D+46
    Kim Klacik(R) 26.5

    2018 Dem 76.4% D+55.1
    GOP 21.3%

    Maryland’s 7th Congressional District contains portions of Howard and Baltimore counties and parts of the city of Baltimore.
    It’s a swing to the GOP in a heavily black Baltimore suburb-it’s great.

    Perhaps Trump’s AA outreach is paying some dividends.

  551. Phil says:

    Fauci at it again. Now saying we may have to go a year without sports with or without fans in the stadium.

    That’s absolutely ridiculous. This guy needs to just shut the hell up. Geeez

    Just shut the hell up, man.

  552. MichiganGuy says:

    The liberal media just love to spread Chinese Gov’t propaganda.
    .
    https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1255483593478025220?s=19

  553. NYCmike says:

    “If you remember back to Superstorm Sandy, one would have thought that it was the end of the world, because rich northeasterners lost their second homes. I think that we get an oversized sense of disaster when things affect the northeast, especially NY and NYC because that is where the national media is based.

    I doubt that anyone here is cold enough to hope for deaths only in one part of the country.”

    -More and more, I am seeing Governor Kemp as a real hero. He spoke with his advisors, and other state leaders, and said OPEN THIS MOFO UP!

    We have Gov Cuomo keeping counties in upstate NY closed where they have had fewer than 5 deaths due to the Wuhan virus. That’s “smart”? I think him and his brother have a different definition of that word.

  554. NYCmike says:

    “Fauci at it again. Now saying we may have to go a year without sports with or without fans in the stadium.”

    -What other awards are available for jason and Bitterlaw to recommend be given to Fauci?

  555. NYCmike says:

    “If you have any doubt that Mayor Bill de Blasio is a scumbag check this out.”

    -No, no doubt at all.

  556. jason says:

    deBlasio started rounding the Jews yet?

    I hear he is going to put them in subway cars and ship them off to an internment camp run by Ron Paul and Justin Amash.

  557. Phl says:

    Fauci and Rahm’s brother should get a room together.

    Lockdown forever.

  558. Phil says:

    the Joooos!

  559. Tina says:

    Maybe Governor Whitler can help Mussolini Deblasio with the roundup?