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Biden Leads Trump By 8% in NH

We have a new poll from Saint Anselm CollegeSaint Anselm CollegeSaint Anselm College for the state of New Hampshire that shows this state will likely stay in Democratic hands at the presidential level this year.

PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE (Saint Anselm)
Joe Biden (D) 50%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 42%

This poll was done April 23-27 among 820 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 3:00 pm
Filed under: General | Comments (428)

428 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump By 8% in NH”

  1. jason says:

    El numero uno

  2. jason says:

    October 19, 2016

    “Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton holds a double digit lead — 15 points — on Donald Trump in New Hampshire, according to a new poll released Wednesday.
    In the WMUR Granite State Poll, Clinton has 48% support among likely voters in New Hampshire, with Trump at 33%, Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson at 7% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 2%”

  3. jason says:

    Liberals now want Chris Hayes fired for covering the Tara Reade story.

    The charge: he left out her “connections to Putin”

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    “Chris Hayes completely misrepresented the Joe Biden / Tara Reade story tonight. Hayes ignored that she keeps changing her entire story. He falsely claimed that she has contemporaneous corroboration. He left out her connection to Putin. Hayes is a worthless Bernie Bro. Cancel him.”

  4. jason says:

    The IHME model is revised slightly downwards by 1600 deaths.

    “Based on the latest available data, the COVID-19 epidemic’s first wave could cause 72,433 cumulative deaths in the US. The total from today’s release is slightly lower than the average predictions published on April 27, 74,073”

  5. Wes says:

    Every time Dems obsess over Russia, I think of this infamous statement:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bowhUWl6rxQ

  6. jason says:

    Harrison Ford crosses runway and almost causes accident because he “heard the exact opposite” of the tower’s command.

    At 77 he probably shouldn’t be flying alone, at least not at busy airports, any more than Biden should be running for President.

    In 2015 he landed on a taxiway and in 2017 crashed on a golf course.

    Maybe it is time to fly some drones or model airplanes.

  7. NYCmike says:

    #5 – In some ways, he is worse than Hillary to listen to. At least everyone knows Hillary is lying. Too many people think Obama is the 2nd coming.

  8. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Governor Newsom just backed down on closing California’s beaches. He now is only ordering the closure of Orange County beaches. Even in California, people are getting tired of the lockdown.

    Trump needs to take a lead on this issue if he wants to get re-election.

  9. Tina says:

    Piglosi says joe Biden is joe Biden.

    I cannot believe she made a stupid remark.

    This remark is even worse than the Ice Cream and $24000 fridge, while Americans are in bread lines,

  10. jason says:

    NJ reports 458 deaths today. That is 25% of the deaths reported nationwide.

    That is like a 20% mortality rate considering 2388 cases. I know deaths lag the cases, but still even on 3000 cases it would be ridiculous.

    The CDC should crack down on how deaths are being reported because otherwise their data is going to be completely bogus.

  11. jason says:

    Joe was just being Joe?

  12. Robbie says:

    Looks like another 30,000 case day. It’s almost as if the cry for more testing was just a cover to find more cases and keep the image of a crisis in play.

    Does anyone think, if what has happened in New York City had happened in St. Louis, the media would care and the country would be shut down?

  13. jason says:

    It seems like the Dem run states are taking turns in “adjusting numbers” in order to keep putting in “old” deaths in the current daily stats. We had NY, then PA, and today NJ.

    What they should do is report the current numbers for the day. Then have a separate column where they can add deaths they “uncovered” from prior days and weeks.

    Otherwise, you don’t get an accurate read on the social distancing measures, and you are making decisions based on the wrong information.

  14. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    April 30, 2020 at 4:21 pm
    NJ reports 458 deaths today. That is 25% of the deaths reported nationwide.
    That is like a 20% mortality rate considering 2388 cases. I know deaths lag the cases, but still even on 3000 cases it would be ridiculous.
    The CDC should crack down on how deaths are being reported because otherwise their data is going to be completely bogus.

    – If you die watching a news report about coronavirus, you are classified as having died of the coronavirus.

  15. DW says:

    Firehouse/Optimus also now with Trump approval at 49%

  16. DW says:

    Dave W, where is your new thread to tout Trump’s approval popping to 49%?

  17. jason says:

    Looks more like a 27k or 28k day, which still represents a slowing of the rate of increase.

    When you have 30k more cases on 800k cases you have a 3.8% increase. If you have 27k on 1 million cases you have a 2.7% increase, you are flattening the curve.

    And unless they can come up with another 500 deaths at the buzzer, they won’t get to 2390 like yesterday. The states still out will have few deaths.

    Btw, NY now has 25 times the per capita mortality rate of CA.

  18. Robbie says:

    I’ve been following the model from Singapore University pitch pointed us to this past Sunday. On Sunday, the projected date 97% of all infections was May 11. Today, it’s May 16. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but it feels a bit like Lucy and the football watching this continue to drag on and on.

  19. jason says:

    In fairness to Dave, he doesn’t do “approval” poll threads.

  20. Scooterboy says:

    Nancy Pelosi- “Joe Biden is Joe Biden”

    Jon Stewart in 2015 on Joe Biden: “It’s apparently a Senate rite of passage that you’re not officially sworn in until Delaware Joe has felt up one female member of your immediate family.”

  21. Cash Cow TM says:

    Oh, well…

    Remember that $1931 Walt is getting on his F.I.T. return?

    Has to pay the State $2704, plus a penalty.
    *******************************
    Easy come, easy go.

  22. Tina says:

    Looks like Mussolini Deblasio rounded up enough cops for police the Joos.

    A couple a months ago, Mussolini could not provide cops do protect the joos from getting hit in the head with bricks.

  23. NYCmike says:

    Remake of Mel Brooks History Of The World, Part I:

    “When you die at the Palace, you really die…..of Covid-19.”

  24. Tina says:

    Why would the brilliant Fib leaders need to write notes on how to screw Flynn?

    No wonder the Fib is in bad shape.

  25. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    After weekends when a low number cases are reported, the U.S. and British press starts claiming the death rate in Sweden is rising as a result of higher weekday numbers.

    They attribute this rise to the fact that Sweden did not enact a mandatory lockdown. Even Trump just took a jab at Sweden.

    Here is a comparison of the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday total number of deaths in Sweden for each week of April:

    April 6-9 – 98
    April 13-16 – 109
    April 20-23 – 120
    April 27-30 – 98

    As far as a comparison to lower death rates in neighboring Scandinavian countries. Norway only counts deaths if a person has CORVID-19 as the cause of death on a death certificate. Sweden has a broader classification. Finland closed its borders immediately when CORVID-19 emerged in Europe; they also established check points outside of the Helsinki area and prevented people from leaving unless there was a necessary reason.

  26. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    25. Correction, the numbers are the average daily deaths during each four day period.

  27. jason says:

    I think Sweden always understood there would be more deaths if they didn’t do a complete lockdown.

  28. Country Dick Montana says:

    “Does anyone think, if what has happened in New York City had happened in St. Louis, the media would care and the country would be shut down?”

    I said that yesterday. NYC is where the national media is located.

    States are going to open up. Americans in low death states and counties are not going to wait around when they see Texans and South Carolinians and Geogians getting out from under the quarantine.

  29. NYCmike says:

    https://lidblog.com/butter-maiden/

    Final quote from C.S. Lewis (this quote is also found in one of Mark Levin’s books):

    ““Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.””

  30. jason says:

    “A coalition of national women’s advocacy groups drafted a letter urging Joe Biden to address sexual-assault claims by former staffer Tara Reade, but decided against releasing the letter publicly after the Biden campaign learned of the efforts, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.”

    In fairness to the women’s groups, I am sure they would have done the same for Kavanaugh.

  31. DW says:

    in the Hampton Roads cities of Virginia (roughly a million people) there have been very few new cases over the last two weeks. Its time to open up, but our communist governor won’t allow it because he is drunk with power and we have to suffer because voting has consequences.

  32. jason says:

    Final quote from C.S. Lewis (this quote is also found in one of Mark Levin’s books)”

    Coincidence or plagiarism?

  33. NYCmike says:

    “I said that yesterday. NYC is where the national media is located.”

    -And their actions are shameful.

    The worst part is that they have allowed their own city, EVEN BEFORE THE WUHAN CRISIS, to start falling back into the same disastrous policies we had found here in the 1960’s-early 1990’s.

  34. jason says:

    The IHME model for Sweden is really terrifying, if they are right Sweden would have 17k deaths which in a country of 10 million is like the US having over 500k deaths.

    However we have seen these models revised downwards.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

  35. NYCmike says:

    “Coincidence or plagiarism?”

    -Yup…..jason has an opinion on Levin, but refuses to read his books or listen to him.

    Levin, as I would expect of him, gave credit to C.S. Lewis in his book, just like he credits all of his other sources of information, in the books, on his radio program, and on his television appearances.

  36. NYCmike says:

    Ok, I won’t ask Robbie about his voting preference in November.

    I will ask him about his opinion on Michael Flynn.

  37. Country Dick Montana says:

    “but our communist governor won’t allow it because he is drunk with power and we have to suffer because voting has consequences.”

    Governor Blackface is a piece of work. Actually its not voting that has consequences, it having a huge democratic block of voters in the DC suburbs. That is also why you guys have about 100 2A sanctuary counties.

    That was quite the powerful 2A rally you had a few months ago. You need another one for jobs.

  38. Phil says:

    It seems like Democratic states are taking turns “adjusting the numbers”.

    Damn, ya think?

    NY, Massachusetts, NJ, Pa, Illinois, Michigan, etc have no intention of giving us anything but juiced numbers as far as the eye can see.

    It’s all about keeping the numbers high to justify closing the economy as long as possible to inflict maximum economic damage……with an eye to November.

    I’ve quit paying attention to the daily USA numbers. They aren’t changing and they aren’t going to change. 2000-2500 daily death count will be produced come hell or high water. Oh, they will continue to drop in red states….but the United Blue Blue States of Coronavirus will always be there to pick up the slack.

  39. Scooterboy says:

    Tara Reade-“I will testify under oath” regarding what Biden did.

    Is Biden willing to do the same?

  40. NYCmike says:

    Rolling Stone magazine out with an article about how everybody needs to vote by mail like Colorado……expect to see a lot of those type articles from now through November.

  41. Tina says:

    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls
    · 9m
    Trump Job Approval

    Among adults:
    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 55%

    Among likely voters:
    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 51%

    @Be0ptimus/@FirehouseStrat 4/21-28
    https://github.com/optimus-forecasting-and-polling/Firehouse-0ptimus-Coronavirus-Tracking/tree/master/April-30-2020

  42. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alito-orders-pennsylvania-to-respond-in-case-asking-supreme-court-to-halt-enforcement-of-stay-at-home-order

    This has potential and it is Alito who would grant the stay

    “Part of our legal challenge is the arbitrariness and capriciousness of the list, of which industry is on which classification,” Marc Scaringi, the Harrisburg-based lawyer representing the petitioners said. “The whole thing is fundamentally based on terms that have no clear knowing, understandable definition.”

  43. Tina says:

    Yup, sue and protest phase.

  44. Tina says:

    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls
    · 14m
    National GE:
    Biden 42% (+2)
    Trump 40%

    @Harris_X_/@thehill 4/19-20
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/495539-poll-biden-trump-tied-in-general-election-head-to-head

  45. Phil says:

    BTW, well on our way to another 2500 daily death report.

    Surprised?

    If so, why??

    ….and you’ll be looking at the same 2000 plus death numbers two and three weeks from now. Anyone want to put money on there being below 2000 a day by mid May? Anyone? Anyone?

    I didn’t think so. Good. Y’all are finally starting to get it.

  46. DW says:

    And firehouse / optimus going right direction in its general election national matchup:

    April 18-25: Trump 44 / Biden 52
    April 21-28: Trump 45 / Biden 49

  47. Tina says:

    Breaking

    John Roberts
    @johnrobertsFox
    · 30m
    .@realDonaldTrump says he has seen intelligence that gives him a high degree of confidence that the coronavirus originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology – though he would not go into detail “I can’t say”

  48. Victrc says:

    Robbie and Country. – I said exactly that here and other places last week, using St. Louis and Kansas City as they analogous cities to NYC.

    You’re both 100% correct. If 80+% of deaths came from Ks, NE, IA, AR, etc and NYC had Texas numbers the country wouldn’t be closed down. AT ALL.

    But because it’s the media capital of the world and gets the most exposure it’s a nationwide epidemic. It’s the same as with California laws. Those that are different in CA are still perceived as National because movies are generally made in CA.

  49. Tina says:

    I like the new press conferences. Trump seems more focused.
    It’s on a s specific topic, like nursing homes.

    The presstitutes are off camera as are the docs, if they are even there . They stillest some stupid questions.

  50. Tina says:

    Maybe polling is starting to improve

    Economy reopening

    Tara Reade

    Biden saying economic intercourse.

    Biden falling asleep

  51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    34. “The IHME model for Sweden is really terrifying, if they are right Sweden would have 17k deaths which in a country of 10 million is like the US having over 500k deaths.

    However we have seen these models revised downwards.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

    So even though the Swedish daily death rate has been dropping over the last half of April (last full week was 93 a day; and this week is likely to be lower after the weekend); come May the death rate will suddenly skyrocket to 490 a day around May 20th of May? Never let reality intrude upon a statistician and his model.

  52. jason says:

    Levin, as I would expect of him, gave credit to C.S. Lewis in his book, just like he credits all of his other sources of information, in the books, on his radio program, and on his television appearances.”

    Ma, the NYC fish are taking that bait, but check for contamination.

  53. jason says:

    ….and you’ll be looking at the same 2000 plus death numbers two and three weeks from now. Anyone want to put money on there being below 2000 a day by mid May? Anyone? Anyone?”

    I will certainly take that bet.

  54. Robbie says:

    Over 30,000 again today.

    That’s basically 30 straight days with about 30,000 daily cases.

    Maybe the lockdowns kept that number from being higher, but the reason for the lockdown was one thing in March and another in May.

  55. Big Joe says:

    And right on cue, Tesla drops 100 points from it’s high from yesterday’s after-hours session. LOL.

    TSLA is a swing trader’s dream, but said trader should have a strong stomach!

    Big Joe

  56. jason says:

    So the truth comes out in PA.

    “The state has logged 2,292 deaths from coronavirus since the crisis began, although its figures have been revised repeatedly to reflect changed reporting methods.

    Of the total, 1,505 deaths ? or more than 65% ? have been in nursing or personal care facilities.”

    So to date only 1/3rd of the deaths have been outside nursing homes.

  57. Robbie says:

    Victrc says:
    April 30, 2020 at 6:00 pm
    Robbie and Country. – I said exactly that here and other places last week, using St. Louis and Kansas City as they analogous cities to NYC.
    You’re both 100% correct. If 80+% of deaths came from Ks, NE, IA, AR, etc and NYC had Texas numbers the country wouldn’t be closed down. AT ALL.
    But because it’s the media capital of the world and gets the most exposure it’s a nationwide epidemic. It’s the same as with California laws. Those that are different in CA are still perceived as National because movies are generally made in CA

    – It’s like a winter snowstorm. If St. Louis gets 15 inches of snow, no one knows about it. If New York gets 15 inches of snow, the world hears about it nonstop.

  58. Phil says:

    Jason,

    You’re on.

  59. Tina says:

    I heard that Sc justice Alito is asking PA officials a lot of questions and may issue a stay?

    In Ca, Nuissance shut down the Orange County beaches, but Sheriff will not enforce.

  60. jason says:

    That’s basically 30 straight days with about 30,000 daily cases.”

    No.

    Actually only 14 days 30k or above.

    Over the last five days the average is 27600 which is 11000 less than the peak.

  61. Country Dick Montana says:

    Robbie – Testing is up. There is more of it so we know that there are more CONFIRMED cases. Remember that a small sample of NYC citizens showed that 13% or more had CV19 antibodies. Extrapolate that. Those are the cases. Also remember that originally it was only the sickest that were getting tested and only a very small portion of them were found positive. UPMC in southwest PA tested every patient and found less than 7% had CV19

    Deaths on the other hand are trending down, and at the close of tonight’s I will post rolling 7 day averages like I have been.

  62. Phil says:

    The lockdown has served a purpose – to flatten the curve and now to put us at the 2000 daily death plateau…..for as far as the eye can see, or at least for another year when a vaccine is developed.

    This policy is a blue state governor’s dream. They just LOVE to control the masses.

  63. NYCmike says:

    “If New York gets 15 inches of snow, the world hears about it nonstop.”

    -We are a sharing community.

    Look at how we spread viruses…..

  64. NYCmike says:

    https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1255658020174016521

    “Waiting for a single honest NeverTrumper to finally apologize for cheering on the destruction of Michael Flynn and calling him a traitor for several years. An honest, heartfelt “I’m sorry” is a good place to start.”

  65. Phil says:

    Glad Cuomo finally started thinking about cleaning the subways. Brilliant. Wonder if it ever occurred to him to not cut the number of subway runs so that each subway car wouldn’t be packed to the brim.

    Naw, that might bring down the death numbers.

  66. jason says:

    Sorry Phil, it is not going to be even close to 2k deaths a day 2 weeks from now.

    We now have 9 days in a row below the peak in deaths and there are only so many deaths they can manufacture from the past.

    We would not even be at 2000 today if NJ and PA weren’t including 300 deaths that occurred up to 2 weeks ago.

    If you look at NJ’s numbers, last Friday they had 7718 people hospitalized, 2024 critical, 1641 ventilators in use.

    Yesterday, 6137 people hospitalized, 1765 critical, 1271 ventilators in use.

    With these kind of numbers, which you are seeing in NY too, you will not have 2k a day nationally unless there is a big outbreak elsewhere.

  67. jason says:

    I think we will be at around 800 deaths a day in 2 weeks.

  68. NYCmike says:

    https://www.city-journal.org/safely-reopening-nyc-performing-arts-institutions

    -Something to compare it to for NYC?

    Too much media hype?

  69. Phil says:

    Ok, Jason. We will have a good idea by this Monday whether the numbers are starting to move or not. If we’re going to get to 800 a day in two wks the numbers better start moving soon. Damned soon.

  70. Phil says:

    Joe to talk about the Reid accusations on morning Joe tomorrow. Mika and Joe……don’t you know that will be a hard hitting interview.

  71. Phil says:

    The W.H.O. Just endorsed the Swedish model. Up until now they have been calling it irresponsible.

    Unbelievable.

  72. jason says:

    Long Island making progress:

    “Nassau County Executive Laura Curran said she believes the county will meet Phase One requirements toward a reopening, as described by the White House and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: declining hospitalizations, declining number of new positive cases, and ramped-up testing.
    recommended reading
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    Hospitalizations were down 91 patients from Tuesday, she said, bringing the county’s total to 1,368. There’s been a 33% drop in intensive care unit patients and a decline for those on ventilators as well. Curran said fewer than 15% of tests on Tuesday were positive — a drop of 50% from three weeks ago.

    It marked the 14th straight day of declines, she said.

    “These milestones are a result of work that we’ve done together — we’ve done together as a county,” Curran said.

    Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone said his county also appears headed toward meeting federal reopening guidelines.”

  73. Country Dick Montana says:

    2200 Deaths today with NJ having over 20% of them

    Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths

    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987
    4/28 – 1959
    4/29 – 1966
    4/30 – 1946

    Heading in the right direction.

  74. Country Dick Montana says:

    Rolling 7 Day Average Cases

    4/20 – 28863
    4/21 – 28726
    4/22 – 28673
    4/23 – 29010
    4/24 – 29928
    4/25 – 30865
    4/26 – 30960
    4/27 – 30256
    4/28 – 30174
    4/29 – 29953
    4/30 – 29797

    Slow but steady decrease. And remember that we are still ramping up testing.

  75. Bitterlaw says:

    The only problem with the theory that blue state governors love the shutdown to control people is that they are losing tax revenue (which they love to use to spend on controlling people).

    Plus blue states have more people in crowded areas so they get more cases. Texas and Florida are exceptions.

    That being said, I would just open everything up and roll the dice.

  76. Phil says:

    Yeah, they are losing revenue but are throwing a fit to have the lost revenue recovered by having the federal government to give them billions. In other words, let the tax payers from Texas, South Dakota, Arkansas etc foot the bill.

    They get power over people’s lives and have their economic woes bailed out by everyone else in America.

    Win. Win.

  77. jason says:

    The only problem with the theory that blue state governors love the shutdown to control people is that they are losing tax revenue (which they love to use to spend on controlling people).”

    Well, that is why they want a bailout.

    Win win.

  78. jason says:

    Heh, Phil, great minds think alike…

  79. Phil says:

    China is in. 12 cases. No deaths.

    LOL.

  80. PresidentPaul! says:

    “I’m satisfied with how he has responded,” Pelosi says.

    Even though Biden hasn’t responded.

    Biden’s campaign did say that the matter had been rejected by the NYTimes investigation even though the paper followed up by saying they reached no conclusions.

    Wishful thinking here.

  81. Phil says:

    One Chinese death in the past eleven days.

    Okaaaay

  82. Robbie says:

    Never underestimate the ability of Cuomo, De Blasio, Newsom, or Murphy to manufacture suspected deaths to juice the total if they think it will hurt Trump. Coding deaths as Covid19 is now part of the Democrat campaign.

  83. Country Dick Montana says:

    Newsome has been pretty straight up in all of this. CA is ranked 32nd in deaths/million

  84. jason says:

    Don’t forget Wolf.

  85. jason says:

    Wolf is probably going to announce a reopening in Bedford County which has 50k people and like 1 death.

  86. jason says:

    York Co. does not even have 10 deaths yet, watch it stay closed.

  87. Country Dick Montana says:

    Beaver county has 65 deaths ,but 50 are in a single nursing home.

    They could open all of western PA, even Allegheny County

  88. Tina says:

    Robert Costa
    @costareports
    · 27m
    Biden tonight, per pool reporter @madeleinerivera:

    “I view myself as a transition candidate… My job is… to bring the Mayor Petes of the world into this administration.”

  89. Phil says:

    I guarantee they are juicing the death numbers.

    BTW, tomorrow night when I go out for Mexican food I will hoist a margarita to Governor Wolf. Obviously a great leader. Cheers, Governor!

  90. jason says:

    They can open Southcentral PA west and north of Lancaster.

    York 9 deaths
    Franklin 4 deaths
    Cumberland 16 deaths
    Dauphin 25 deaths
    Lebanon 9 deaths
    Perry 1 death
    Snyder 1 death
    Mifflin 0 deaths
    Fulton 0 deaths
    Huntington 0 deaths

    I mean, come on, man…

  91. Phil says:

    It’s started. The campaign to convince everyone that voting for a brain dead candidate for POTUS is not a problem. Joe is going to let Pete, Beto, Pocahontas, and the rest of the gang run things.

    See how this works? If you are nervous about an incoherent, stumbling, demented guy in the WH, don’t be. He has a band of Democratic “heavy weights” that are really going to be in charge. Pay no attention to that guy at the top of the ballot who doesn’t know where he is half the time. it’s all good.

  92. jason says:

    Schuylkill 6 deaths
    Northumberland 0 deaths
    Montour 0 deaths
    Clinton 0 deaths
    Lycoming 0 deaths
    Union 0 deaths

    I could go on, but you get the picture.

  93. Phil says:

    Yeah, we get the picture.

    I say lock em down anyway. If you are against the lockdown anywhere you don’t care about human life.

    Lockdown…..forever.

  94. jason says:

    This is not new. I know Dems that have told me they don’t care how senile Biden is, they can replace him after they get rid of Trump.

    The question is will there be enough people to go for that, vote for a guy you know won’t really be President.

  95. Phil says:

    Might be a tough sale with indies.

  96. jason says:

    Centre County (Penn State) 1 death

  97. Phil says:

    94 degrees here Monday….95 next Tuesday.

    Blue state governors pulling for heat not to pull the virus numbers down. No matter. They can just make up their own numbers out of thin air.

  98. Robbie says:

    Country Dick Montana says:
    April 30, 2020 at 9:06 pm
    Newsome has been pretty straight up in all of this. CA is ranked 32nd in deaths/million

    – Give it time. Newsom seems like he’s setting the stage to say the NFL and college can’t play this Fall in California. If he needs to scour a bunch of old cases to find the numbers, he will, especially if it happens to coincide with the Fall campaign.

  99. jason says:

    According to a USA Today/Suffolk poll, almost a quarter of Americans who were behind Bernie balk at backing Biden.

    Here’s USA Today with some stunning news:

    Nearly 1 in 4 Sanders supporters (22%) said they would vote for a third party candidate, vote for President Donald Trump, not vote in November or were undecided about who to vote for.”

    I don’t know.

    I think most will vote for Biden anyway. Still, in a close state it could make a difference.

  100. jason says:

    I will encourage them to vote for Amash.

  101. Phil says:

    Good catch on Newsom, Robbie. I’ve been following what he’s been saying on the sports end of it. I’m a big college football fan and Newsome is going to be a big problem even as the other college conferences are discussing ways to get the season going on time or perhaps wait until October to start. Newsome has indicated no games in California even without fans. What BS. That eliminates the Pac 12 conference. The NCAA may have to go it without that conference. No big loss. That conference absolutely sucks. It might throw a wrench into NCAA plans for next year, however.

  102. Wes says:

    Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

    —Daniel Webster

  103. MichiganGuy says:

    Tens of thousands of American companies have stepped up and begun making protective masks here in the United States of America, but California Governor Gavin Newsom has chosen to order over $1 billion worth of masks from China.

    In fact, it’s a Chinese car company, which clearly doesn’t even specialize in protective masks.
    .
    https://trendingpolitics.com/no-joke-ca-governor-newsom-orders-1-billion-worth-of-masks-from-chinese-car-company/
    .
    As shepherd boy would say, you can’t make this sh*t up.

  104. Bitterlaw says:

    I am glad you take pleasure in our suffering. I hate the lockdown but I prefer it to the option of being free but forced to live in Texas.

    Jason – Given Phil’s cheerleading of our suffering, maybe he is ready for an A-hole exploratory probe for membership.

  105. Tina says:

    Any of the docs have financial interests? You know thr gubment officials.

    James Todaro, MD
    @JamesTodaroMD
    · 13h
    The NIH Panel on COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines is made up of 50 researchers & physicians.

    This panel will decide treatment recommendations for Remdesivir.

    Nearly 20% of this panel is employed by or has investment interests in Gilead.

    h/t @alcamus

    https://covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/panel-financial-disclosure/

  106. Wes says:

    You’d prefer to live in PA to living anywhere else if it became Airstrip One, Bitter.

  107. Tina says:

    Shem Horne Retweeted

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    ·
    7m
    Somehow the media missed this: Tonight Dr. Donald Yealy, chair of emergency medicine at
    @upmc
    , which offers care across western PA and has 40 hospitals and 87,000 employees – predicted a death rate of 0.25% for #COVID. UPMC is reopening elective surgeries.

  108. Tina says:

    This is a powder keg, thanks to Whitler.

    Joey Saladino
    @JoeySalads
    ·
    19m
    BREAKING: Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extends the state’s emergency declaration through May 28th, despite the state legislature rejecting the extension.

    Expect a MASSIVE Protest, possibly a full on Revolution.

  109. Bitterlaw says:

    Wes – I like where I live. You like where you live. Phil likes where he lives. Lisab? Well, she moves around but her heart is in Provincetown. Not a place for many straight female hearts but she loves it.

  110. Tina says:

    So done on purpose, a criminal act?

    memeorandum
    @memeorandum
    Chinese lab conducted extensive research on deadly bat viruses, but there is no evidence of accidental release (Washington Post)

    https://washingtonpost.com/national-security/chinese-lab-conducted-extensive-research-on-deadly-bat-viruses-but-there-is-no-evidence-of-accidental-release/2020/04/30/3e5d12a0-8b0d-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

  111. Tina says:

    And how did the bats get to Wuhan? Did they teleport?

  112. Phil says:

    Membership in the A Hole Club? Awesome. I never dreamed I would ever even be considered. I know It’s still a long process to actually be accepted, but I’m humbled to even be under some consideration.

  113. jason says:

    Phil might make a good A-hole, Bitter.

    We might be able to use someone with a negative outlook on almost everything.

  114. Phil says:

    Thanks, guys.

  115. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – There are many steps between a-hole and A-hole but you are well on your way. The first Philly A-hole from Texas might draw Gary Maxwell back.

  116. Bitterlaw says:

    Somebody has to park the cars since Scooter was elevated.

  117. Robbie says:

    Tina says:
    April 30, 2020 at 10:58 pm
    And how did the bats get to Wuhan? Did they teleport?

    – Two theories floated as early as January still seem to be the most likely today.

    1. The virus escaped the lab when someone was accidently exposed and unknowingly began to spread the virus.

    2. After experimentation with the bat, it was improperly sold to a wet market dealer by an employee looking to make extra money.

  118. Wes says:

    Most people I know aren’t willing to supinely submit to 100% taxation and corrupt authoritarianism because of love of their homes, Bitter.

    You’re the exception.

  119. jason says:

    but there is no evidence of accidental release”

    This correct.

    There are only 3.3 million cases so far, and you need at least 5 million as evidence.

  120. jason says:

    I hope Phil is up for the rigid A-hole admission process.

  121. Wes says:

    Robbie is basically saying Covid-19 owes its existence to the plot of Ultraviolet (2006).

  122. Bitterlaw says:

    Taxes are just money, Wes. I can’t imagine living somewhere I don’t like just because it is cheaper.

  123. Bitterlaw says:

    As it says over the clubhouse fireplace:

    It is not the size of the man in the A-hole but the size of the A-hole in the man that counts.

    It sounds better in Qu’chua. Plus WV made it outdated.

  124. Phil says:

    I can handle it.

    My negativity is my calling card.

    Along those lines I just read Allapundit over at Hot Air. He just posted a story citing two new models showing a minimum of 100,000 dead from Coronavirus by the end of May.

    I’m giving Jason an opportunity to pull out of our bet of 800 fatalities per day by the middle of May. Read the article, Jason and then let me know if you want to pull out of the bet.

  125. Wes says:

    You’d make a great Winston Smith at the end of 1984, Bitter.

  126. jason says:

    I don’t read Allahpundit, he is a never-Trumper ass.

    We still haven’t decided what the bet is but it is on.

  127. mRviTO says:

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    Remember when
    @ewarren
    urged Bloomberg to release his former employees who filed Sexual Harassment Complaints from Non Disclosure Agreements?

    Where’s Warren on standing up for Tara Reade?

    Will she demand that Biden release his Senate Papers so we can see Tara’s Complaint?

  128. Phil says:

    Allahpundit is indeed the biggest Never Trumper dick in the blogosphere. Can’t believe they are paying that clown on that site. Morrissey over there isn’t much better these days. They’ve destroyed what used to be a solid conservative site.

  129. wvally says:

    I know It’s still a long process to actually be accepted, but I’m humbled to even be under some consideration.

    ***
    As the most recent applicant to gain entrance my advice is to stay relaxed as possible during the process. If you’re too uptight you’ll never get in.

  130. Cash Cow TM says:

    Gilead?

    Wasn’t he one of the knights of the Round Table?

    **********************

    Anybody have any records of how many TOTAL CV-19 cases and TOTAL CV-19 deaths have occurred in nursing homes?

    And % of total deaths and total cases…

    _____________
    Sadly, in the past few days we have had CV-19 death #2 (74 yr old male) in Berkeley county WV where I live and in next door Jefferson county (50 yr old female).

    Officials are tight lipped as to who, or if they had preexisting conditions, were in nursing home or not, etc.

  131. Cash Cow TM says:

    #134…

    O O
    <
    ___

    {surprised cow emoji)

  132. jason says:

    Good advice from wvally about being uptight. Our experience is you don’t want A-holes that are too anal retentive.

  133. Scooterboy says:

    Great to see I’m no longer low man on the A-hole Totem Pole.

    Bastards refused my promotion requests, and kept me parking cars for the last 3 years . Said “we can’t promote you because we aren’t accepting any more A-hole members.” Now all of a sudden we have room for 2 more potential members? Lying piece of chit Bastard A-holes !!!!

  134. MichiganGuy says:

    “The Italian island of Sicily is offering to pay for half your flights and a third of your hotel costs if you visit later this year.”
    .
    https://www.insider.com/sicily-offers-pay-half-flight-costs-boost-tourism-coronavirus-italy-2020-4
    .
    I might have to take them up on that offer.

  135. wvally says:

    Scooter’s still b*tthurt that I never had to park cars.

  136. MichiganGuy says:

    Between more posters wanting to join the A-hole club, more interns like Dan becoming trolls and more spammers than ever before this place is becoming the butt of all jokes.

  137. Phil says:

    I’ll gladly park cars if that’s what it takes to start out as an A’Hole. I’m also willing to step up my a-hole behavior if that’s what it takes to gain membership.

  138. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Those who think Gov. Newsom can inflate the number of CORVID-19 deaths in California are not taking into account how large California is (over 800 miles from north to south), and how independent the regions of the state are.

    Southern Californians, and those from the Central Valley and rural areas, don’t particular like the people from the Bay Area. Los Angeles and San Diego are not going to be kicked around by a San Francisco politican; and their not going to let him manipulate data from their health departments — which are dutifully reported to local county Board of Supervisors, and followed closely by the local press.

    An example is Governor Newsom’s new order to close the beaches in Orange County. The Orange County Sheriff just announced he will not enforce the order. The Huntington Beach City Council voted to take legal action against the order; the Newport Beach City Council is also angry, as are members of the Orange County Board of Supervisors. Meanwhile other sheriffs, including the sheriff of Humboldt County, indicated support for the Orange County sheriff.

    Do you really think Newsom can go into these counties and manipulate their health data?

  139. Phil says:

    SD, I don’t think Newsom is juicing the numbers. I haven’t seen any sudden daily end of the day death dumps or wide variances of day over day figures from California. Do I think the blue state governors of Michigan, NY, Pa, Connecticut, NJ, Ill, and Massachusetts are? You’re damned right I do.

  140. MichiganGuy says:

    Phil, we all know you are pathetic and have no shame. Bitterlaw, is the same. One minute BL is disgusted with Phil for wanting to nuke the blue states; then the shepherd boy offers Phil membership and all of a sudden BL loves Phil. You can’t make this sh@t up.

  141. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    144. Agree

  142. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Just when it looked like Trump’s polling numbers were slumping, Trump has several better polls.

    If this continues, we might not have a new thread for awhile.

    National GE:
    Biden 42% (+2)
    Trump 40%
    @Harris_X@thehill
    4/19-20

    Trump Job Approval
    Among adults:
    Approve 45%
    Disapprove 55%
    Among likely voters:
    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 51%
    @Be0ptimus/ @FirehouseStrat
    4/21-28

    National GE:
    Biden 49% (+4)
    Trump 45%
    @Be0ptimus /@FirehouseStrat
    4/21-28

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 49%
    Disapprove 47%
    @GallupNews
    4/14-28

    Trump Job Approval:
    Approve 46%
    Disapprove 52%
    @Rasmussen_Poll , LV, 4/27-29

  143. Phil says:

    I earned that invitation, MichiganGuy. Advocating the nuking of bitter’s State was a genuinely a$S hole thing to say. That plus being pathetic and having no shame should be more than enough to at least get me candidate status.

  144. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://triblive.com/local/regional/ohio-extends-stay-at-home-order-through-may-30/

    Looks like Republican Governors are not above a little continued totalitarianism. This should give Wolf a little cover for continued lockdown.

  145. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/05/urbanrural-known-coronavirus-cases-3-times-more-likely-per-capita-in-ohios-biggest-counties-than-the-smallest.html

    Who wold have thought it? An interesting takeaway from this is that 22% of all Ohio cases are from the Prisons.

    Prisons and Nursing homes. Probably 1/2 of all cases.

  146. jason says:

    Between more posters wanting to join the A-hole club, more interns like Dan becoming trolls and more spammers than ever before this place is becoming the butt of all jokes.”

    Yet you are still here.

  147. mRviTO says:

    “Prisons and Nursing homes. Probably 1/2 of all cases.”

    Does New York City count as a prison or a nursing home….. or a little of both?

  148. Country Dick Montana says:

    Does New York City count as a prison or a nursing home….. or a little of both?

    Interesting question. If you stack people on top of each other with no means of escape then it makes sense that is where the cases are going to spread.

    One of the side observations is that all of the things that make for a “green” economy (smaller, more dense dwellings, mass transit and “mobility”) are also the perfect settings for a pandemic.

  149. jason says:

    Bastards refused my promotion requests, and kept me parking cars for the last 3 years . Said “we can’t promote you because we aren’t accepting any more A-hole members.” Now all of a sudden we have room for 2 more potential members? Lying piece of chit Bastard A-holes !!!!”

    Phil, A-holes can be a little prone to occasional venting, especially when constrained in place like during the current situation.

    Deep down, Scooter is a happy A-hole, it is just not visible all the time.

  150. jason says:

    One minute BL is disgusted with Phil for wanting to nuke the blue states; then the shepherd boy offers Phil membership and all of a sudden BL loves Phil. You can’t make this sh@t up.”

    Phil, I see Michigan Guy is trying hard to second your nomination, but frankly according to the by-laws only A-holes can second nominations.

  151. jason says:

    MichiganGuy says:
    May 1, 2020 at 12:52 am

    Between more posters wanting to join the A-hole club, more interns like Dan becoming trolls and more spammers than ever before this place is becoming the butt of all jokes.”

    Funny what motivates people.

    I wake up, thinking of checking out HHR for the latest poll, talk to some fellow A-holes, irritate some trolls, read some news others have posted.

    Michigan Guy wakes up and says “hey, I will go somewhere that is the butt of all jokes”.

  152. jason says:

    “shepherd boy”

    I won’t even bother asking, Bitter won’t go for it.

  153. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    The just-released unfriendly- to- Trump IBD/TIPP Poll shows the following:
    1- Trump Approval/Disapproval- 44/44
    2- Trump/Biden- 43/43

  154. jason says:

    Russia up to 8k cases a day, 9% increase from yesterday.

  155. jason says:

    Why would Biden want to issue his denial on Mika’s show?

    It’s a no brainer:

    “I think the next time I see Joe Biden, if he doesn’t hug me and give me a kiss and hold my hand while we’re talking to you, that’s the new Joe Biden, and that’s not the Joe Biden I knew,” she told co-host Joe Scarborough on their show Tuesday on MSNBC. “He’s a nice guy. He’s not a predator, and this is ridiculous. Let me just say it: This is ridiculous. The conversation has gotten out of control.”

    “You’re eating your young. You’re eating those who can beat Trump. You’re killing the very people who have been pushing women ahead, who have been fighting for equal pay, who have been doing everything they can to respect women in their lives.”

  156. jason says:

    I mean, you don’t have to worry about any hard hitting interviews after that, do you?

  157. DW says:

    Whoops! We interrupt this doom and gloom from Dave W and others to bring you this IBD/TIPP national matchup poll:

    Trump 43
    Biden 43

  158. Phil says:

    The madness continues. Minn governor extends lockdown another two weeks. Another Democratic governor. Terrific. You want to know what happens in two weeks? There will be another extension…and then another.

    All we are doing is allowing the same number of deaths to be spread out over a longer period of time – all the while the economy continues to crumble. The longer the lockdown, the more damage to people’s economic well being and the more permanent the damage overall. All this to try to kill a president’s reelection.

    Pathetic.

    Oh, and the case and death numbers aren’t getting any better with this. One long, endless plateau.

    Open things up or their will be no economy left. The original goal was to flatten the curve so the hospitals wouldn’t be overrun. The goal posts have quietly now shifted courtesy of our blue state governors to almost zero cases and zero deaths….to be followed by keep it locked down another year until there is a vaccine.

  159. Country Dick Montana says:

    166 – There were armed protesters in the MI legislature yesterday and IIRC, the MI House has given their leader the go ahead to sue in the Supreme Court since the MI courts sided with Wretched Gretchen. The People are going to have their say eventually.

  160. Wes says:

    Unsurprisingly Dems on RRH are using whataboutism and bringing up what Trump told Billy Bush to downplay what Tara Reade alleges Biden did.

  161. Country Dick Montana says:

    Not much you can do about MN. Squareheads up there have been Dem/Socialist Farmers for years. They probably like it.

  162. Tina says:

    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls
    · 54m
    National GE:
    Trump 43%
    Biden 43%

    IBD/TIPP 4/26-29

  163. Tina says:

    Whoops, dw got it first.

    Kudos.

  164. Tina says:

    Actually sheeple got it.

  165. azguy says:

    Dementia joe unleashes the ‘ economic intercourse’ again this morning. What a true buffoon. His moronic imbecile wife should be prosecuted for elderly abuse for allowing this charade to continue.

  166. Tina says:

    I wonder if Harry Reid’s papers are among the papers held by the Univ. of Delaware for China Biden.

  167. Tina says:

    Train wreck.

    The Reckoning Collision symbol Retweeted

    Steve Guest
    @SteveGuest
    ·
    46m
    Not only did Biden say his documents held at the University of Delaware “weren’t supposed to be revealed,” (which is a lie) Biden admitted that he doesn’t want those records to see the light of day because they could be used against him or reveal what he said to Putin.

    What?!

  168. jason says:

    more interns like Dan becoming trolls”

    I didn’t know HHR had interns and I don’t know who Dan is, let alone that he became a troll.

    But I wish we had thought of interns during the Bitter-jason administration, we could have delegated the more mundane issues and concentrated on the major policy decisions. We certainly could have used some help when we instituted the 24/7 troll control program, would have saved a lot of sleepless nights.

  169. Hugh says:

    Phil is correct. However many of the unemployed are thrilled. They are making more than when working and get to sit home and day drink. Businesses that need to hire people can’t find people to work unless the job pays at least 50k.

    I do believe the states that are opening puts pressure on the blue states to open. It will be interesting to see what alito does regarding PA

  170. jason says:

    Who knew that the whole time when Roadkill Maggot was referring to the p-ssy grabber he was talking about Biden.

  171. jason says:

    These CNN graphs are actually pretty good, most interesting are the various state curves.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/index.html

  172. jason says:

    “The idea that they would be made public while I was running for public office, they could be taken out of context … they could be fodder.”

    Well, yeah.

  173. Phil says:

    Obviously you can throw the HIME Model in the garbage. 73,000 TOTAL DEATHS? We will be there by next Friday. That model was total crap.

    The NEW Penn Wharton Model came out today with 116,000 dead – just by the end of June. Seems much more plausible. May not be as bad as that since this was done by Penn University Pinheads that are no doubt liberals and probably rooting for an endless lockdown.

    We were essentially told that if we did the lockdown the HIME numbers would follow.

  174. Tina says:

    Those papers are full of China Biden’s closeness to the commie Chinese gubment and Pooty Poot.

  175. Phil says:

    Taken out of context?

    What absolute drivel.

  176. Phil says:

    So the HIME model was the hook and we all bit. Now look where we are.

  177. Country Dick Montana says:

    181 – I have to agree with Phil here. The 2 models that I have been running are between 95K and 100K at the end of May.

  178. Phil says:

    The 73K model is out and out impossible.

  179. Robbie says:

    Here’s why I’m increasing bearish despite the fact a vaccine may be closer than previously thought.

    Let’s assume for the moment Oxford University and Pfizer are right and their vaccines are approved by September. For the sake of argument, let’s say there is a Labor Day announcement (fingers crossed) on at least one of them.

    For the Oxford vaccine, Great Britain would certainly get first dibs on it so the US would have to wait in line. With Pfizer, they believe they could have 100 million doses ready by January. JNJ says they could have 300 million doses of their vaccine ready by early next year. Of course, that’s if they’re effective.

    Yet in America, there are 330 million of us. In all honesty, can we really expect the country to be vaccinated by June 2021? My hunch is probably no, but maybe I’m wrong. The logistics is mind boggling. Who gives the shots? The military in large arenas and other large venues? Will the vaccine be compulsory?

    There are 7.7 billion people in the world. How long will it take to make that many doses? Years I would suspect. How do we go about vaccinating 1.3 billion in India? China will have their own vaccine so we don’t have to really worry about them, but what about South America or the Middle East?

    So even if America is mostly mopped up in 2021, what about Mexico and Canada? What about Europe. Does international trade/travel still stay restricted? Do restrictions remain until the world is vaccinated? Will governors in the US relent, or say things remain too dangerous until 7.7 billion are vaccinated?

    In all seriousness, poke holes in thoughts. Tell me where you think I’m wrong.

  180. DW says:

    NASCAR is taking advantage of the situation by re-starting their racing May 17. They will run extra races to catch up their schedule, giving sports fans something to watch while other sports are still sitting out.

  181. Tina says:

    Well China Biden said that there are 640,000 deaths from the China Virus in the U.S.

  182. Phil says:

    Would love to poke holes in your post, Robbie….but you aren’t wrong.

    Probably is academic. A vaccine by September is awfully optimistic.

  183. Tina says:

    This clip is especially a disaster for China Biden. I think he needs smelling salts.

    https://twitter.com/MrJones_tm/status/1256199175680778240

  184. Phil says:

    Joe looks really confident there.

    Impressive.

  185. Pitchaboy says:

    Robbie: vaccines will go to health care workers and nursing homes straight away. Every senior that walks in for flu shot will also get COVID shot. The rest can take its time. This will effectively shut down mortality and serious case numbers and make a big dent in chain of transmission

  186. DW says:

    Oh my. wow. Tina that clip leaves me just as speechless as slow Joe. I think at one point he muttered a gutteral sound, but this is unbelievable. How can this man be propped up to be a major party candidate?

  187. Phil says:

    Good information, Pitch. That does make sense.

  188. Phil says:

    The HIME model isn’t looking so hot but it’s a heep lot better than Biden’s numbers. 640,000 deaths? Add to that he 150 million he said were killed each year in gun related violence and there aren’t going to be too many of us left.

  189. jason says:

    Well the BIG hole is that you won’t have to vaccinate everyone immediately.

    Don’t forget 97% survive this disease. 80% have mild symptoms.

    All you need is to vaccinate the more at risk population first, once that is done Coronavirus will just be like another flu.

  190. Phil says:

    I’ve thought about what I want if I win our bet, Jason. You agree to sponsor me throughout the A-Hole application process. You are a particularly disgusting a-hole therefore your sponsorship will carry a lot of weight. I should be a lock.

  191. Scooterboy says:

    So basically Biden admitted that there might be embarrassing stuff about Putin in the sealed records. Well thatta boy Joe….way to put the story to bed.

    He’s a train wreck.

  192. jason says:

    I still think the IHME is the best model around. It will be adjusted upwards with the data just like it was adjusted downwards with the data.

    You have to remember that the numbers can drop very rapidly just like they increased rapidly.

    We went from 1000 deaths a day on March 30th to the peak of 2700 in just 2 weeks.

  193. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    May 1, 2020 at 11:19 am
    Robbie: vaccines will go to health care workers and nursing homes straight away. Every senior that walks in for flu shot will also get COVID shot. The rest can take its time. This will effectively shut down mortality and serious case numbers and make a big dent in chain of transmission

    – Good points. I suppose my response would be this. Does that end the panic? Does that encourage people to reengage with society? Does that allow governors to end their restrictions?

    I go back to a thought I’ve had for a while. The hit to the psyche of the public is something I’m not sure we can even hope to quantify and it could take years to overcome. And in the meantime, we’re in the midst of what will almost certainly be viewed as an economic depression.

  194. jason says:

    For you to win the bet there has to be 2000 deaths a day on May 15th.

    I don’t think you are winning the bet. But in any case if you lose when I get to Houston you are going to buy the tacos and margaritas.

    And I am not a disgusting a-hole. I am a disgusting A-hole.

  195. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 1, 2020 at 11:26 am
    Well the BIG hole is that you won’t have to vaccinate everyone immediately.
    Don’t forget 97% survive this disease. 80% have mild symptoms.
    All you need is to vaccinate the more at risk population first, once that is done Coronavirus will just be like another flu.

    – Good points. I’ll pose the same questions I did to pitch, though. In light of the hit to the psyche of the public, will that be enough to get people to reengage with society? I think it will help, but the media and “media doctors” were allowed to set the terms of the debate early on. For many, not all, it’s a vaccine or nothing.

  196. jason says:

    Good points. I suppose my response would be this. Does that end the panic? Does that encourage people to reengage with society? Does that allow governors to end their restrictions?”

    Sure, most healthy young people are not afraid of getting this, I know my kids are not.

    The responsible ones are afraid of spreading it to vulnerable people.

    Once that risk is very small, people will be out.

    Bet on it.

  197. jason says:

    I personally don’t know anybody who got sick, but my kids have friends and co-workers who did. All under 30, nobody was very sick.

  198. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 1, 2020 at 11:37 am
    Good points. I suppose my response would be this. Does that end the panic? Does that encourage people to reengage with society? Does that allow governors to end their restrictions?”
    Sure, most healthy young people are not afraid of getting this, I know my kids are not.
    The responsible ones are afraid of spreading it to vulnerable people.
    Once that risk is very small, people will be out.
    Bet on it.

    – I think there’s a lot of validity to this.

  199. Robbie says:

    Already at 6500 new cases. Looks like another 30,000 plus day.

  200. Tina says:

    If China Biden stays the nominee, I think he won’t have any debates. It is clear that he has deteriorated.

    I would not be surprised if the Scarfarces gave him the questions in advance.

  201. Tina says:

    Cases will go up.

    We are doing a large amount of testing.

    I was offered one in sf. I refused.

    I want the antibody one.

  202. DW says:

    I don’t know that giving Biden the debate questions in advance will help him. He then would have the chore of trying to remember how he is supposed to reply. That could be worse then him just trying to come up with answers to questions put to him.

    Watch Trump tweet something about refusing to debate Biden unless Biden has his wife next to him to help answer the questions.

  203. Country Dick Montana says:

    211 – Trump would be an idiot to pull Jill Biden into it. He has enough problems with women, to be seen attacking one that isn’t running

  204. pitchaboy says:

    If you vaccinate seniors and nursing homes, governors will not have a leg to stand on. Cases will not overwhelm health care system and mortality will be way down.

  205. Wes says:

    Trump isn’t known for rational, deliberative thought, CDM. He would probably at least consider attacking Jill Biden as Joe Biden’s foil.

  206. Scooterboy says:

    In that IBD/TIPP poll

    Trump’s numbers on the economy:

    50% approval
    28% disapproval

    That’s quite amazing considering 27 million people have filed unemployment claims. The fact is, Trump is not getting blamed for the economy. Most likely the economy is going to start showing even more signs of improvement when things start opening back up.

  207. wvally says:

    Here’s @morningmika with a dagger to @JoeBiden based on his comments about believing Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, who had far less corroborating evidence than Biden’s: “Are women to be believed unless it pertains to you?”

    ***
    Put a fork in him he’s done. If Mika’s handling him this way this is already over. At this point I’m wondering if the strategy here is to get this topic back on the table for Trump after Biden is replaced w a woman.

    Mika tweeted this after the interview:

    The interview with @JoeBiden was difficult, having known and greatly respected him for decades. (I still do.) The notion that all women are to be believed, which dominated the Kavanaugh hearings, was revisited. Should it be? Were Democrats wrong THEN or NOW?

  208. John says:

    At day 1194 of Trump’s presidency….Gallup poll
    49% approval (matches his high)
    48% Obama approval at same time
    https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

    New IBD/TIPP poll has Trump finally even with Biden…
    43-43%
    https://www.investors.com/news/president-trump-joe-biden-tied-amid-coronavirus-crisis-ibd-tipp-poll/

    Note…Trump now leads among independents and Biden has gone from 54% down 43% in about seven months.

    And the Hill/Harris poll “has Trump and Biden basically tied”
    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/495503-what-americas-thinking-april-30-2020

  209. Tgca says:

    Feliz Uno de Mayo madi-cone-ays.

  210. Phil says:

    Jason, I thought the over and under was 800 by the 15th. Isn’t that the bet?

  211. Tina says:

    Regarding the economy, I think the worst is over with it.

    Experts say a sharp rebound by 3rd quarter.

    Let’s see what Deep State has planned.

  212. NYCmike says:

    Why is Ohio staying closed another 2 weeks? Has anyone seen the reasoning behind their decision? Has Dewine made any public statements explaining?

  213. NYCmike says:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/04/30/nyc-funeral-directors-reveal-shocking-inflation-of-covid-19-deaths-n387013

    -Not shocking to me. We deliver in NYC hospitals.

    Whomever is in charge of signing the death certificate can always use the excuse they are/were overworked and simply made a mistake.

    There will be no negative repercussions in assigning Covid-19 as the reason for death during this “crisis”.

  214. jason says:

    Jason, I thought the over and under was 800 by the 15th. Isn’t that the bet?”

    No, of course not.

    You think it will be 2000, I think it will be 800.

    The over and under can’t be 800.

    Tell you what, if it is over 1800 you win, if it is under 1000 I win.

  215. Phil says:

    deal

  216. jason says:

    Well, the “women are to believed” theory has a lot wrong with it to start.

    Any woman saying anything has to be believed?

    So Biden is right, it can’t be automatic.

    The problem is that with Kavanaugh, it was automatic. There was no corroboration, there was no place, date or time, and the “witnesses” didn’t recall such event. So actually there was “negative” corroboration, the corroboration that did exist was in Kavanaugh’s favor. But that didn’t matter.

    In Biden’s case, there is corroboration that this woman did claim to be assaulted AT THAT TIME. Whether she was or not can be disputed, but at the time there would be little political reason for her to make up the story.

    If this woman is lying, she was lying when the event happened. There can be no dispute that there is corroboration that she told her mother and others at the time.

  217. Tina says:

    Dewhino rhymes with Rino.

    His Health Director is a leftist nut job.

  218. jason says:

    Ok Phil, we will use end of day total US deaths for May 15th on Worldometer.

  219. jason says:

    Dang, DeWine made Tina’s RINO list?

    Will the last true conservative turn off the lights.

    I am ok with this:

    “On Monday, DeWine announced an outline to restart Ohio with manufacturers, distributors, construction and general office environments reopening on May 4. On May 12, consumer, retail and services can open again.”

    You can still go shopping:

    “The stay at home order will be extended with the exceptions,” DeWine explained Thursday. “When retail opens up that certainly will be a major exception for that. Certainly it’s an exception in just a few days when manufacturing and other companies are allowed to start back so, it will be extended.”

  220. Country Dick Montana says:

    The changes are to take effect next Friday, May 8. Stay-at-home orders will be lifted and retail shops can start to reopen, though other restrictions will remain in place.

    The counties to be included in Wolf’s announcement Friday are: Bradford, Cameron, Centre, Clarion, Clearfield, Clinton, Crawford, Elk, Erie, Forest, Jefferson, Lawrence, Lycoming, McKean, Mercer, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Sullivan, Tioga, Union, Venango and Warren.

  221. jason says:

    Robbie says:
    May 1, 2020 at 11:44 am

    Already at 6500 new cases. Looks like another 30,000 plus day.”

    Will need some “help”, won’t get there with NY + NJ at 5500. Maybe MA, IL, PA or MI will come out with some huge number.

    PA site just announced + 1208 cases and +64 deaths, that will not help much.

    Gov Dimwit to the rescue?

  222. jason says:

    So Wolf is going to reopen counties where nobody lives?

    What a brilliant idea!

  223. jason says:

    Bedford Co. 2016

    Trump 19,455
    Hillary 3,613

  224. jason says:

    “Part of the reopening decision will be based on counties having fewer than 50 new cases per 100,000 residents over 14 days. Here are where those numbers stand for Susquehanna Valley counties:

    York: 55

  225. NYCmike says:

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/01/sen.-chuck-grassley

    -I guess I’ll wait for Bitterlaw to opine on this situation……..I have been told he is a lawyer……if he had been in Mueller’s shoes, what would he have done with this information? What was legally supposed to be done with it?

  226. jason says:

    Bitter, get the retainer before answering, you never know if NYC is really still working…

  227. jason says:

    Heh:

    “Corona is starting to feel like the Check Engine light. At first it freaks you out, but after a few weeks you’re like ‘Look, I gotta go to work.’”

  228. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/canada-bans-more-than-1-500-types-of-military-style-firearms-11588356791?mod=hp_listb_pos1

    What is a “military style” firearm? Are Canadians going to ban “military Style” clothing?

  229. Tina says:

    Juanita Broaddrick
    @atensnut
    Here’s a tissue, Mika.
    Quote Tweet

    Mika Brzezinski
    @morningmika
    · 5h
    The interview with @JoeBiden was difficult, having known and greatly respected him for decades. (I still do.) The notion that all women are to be believed, which dominated the Kavanaugh hearings, was revisited. Should it be

  230. jason says:

    Military style is an invented name like assault weapon.

    Terrorists, kooks, and criminals don’t care about bans or gun control.

    This is just another attack on law abiding gun owners.

  231. jason says:

    The fascist dimwit is not helping the cause. MI is in with only +977 cases and +77 deaths. MA and IL are basically the last hope for any big numbers.

    Cuomo/deBlasio might still be able to do something, but now that funeral homes have ratted them out they might lay low on the creative cause of deaths.

  232. Tina says:

    Mika probably recognizes that while she wanted to help Biden, she wrecked him.

  233. DW says:

    Interviewer: As president, what would be at the top of your list of economic policies you would implement:

    Biden: “……….gru………uh…………..”

    Interviewer: So basically, you wish to roll back Trump’s policies entirely or not?

    Biden: “…uhmp………..br……….oophf….”

    Interviewer: Fascinating, you have an amazing grasp of the issues. Turning now to foreign policy, what Trump administration failures would you seek to remedy in your first 90 days in office?

    Biden: “……..thr……..grr…grr……hum…….pl…”

    Interviewer: I couldn’t agree more, but can you get more specific?

    Biden: “…….I……str…….gah……bum……”

    Interviewer: Lets move on. What do you see being the biggest difference between being president and senator?

    Biden: “…..qua……..guzz…….pup…….nip….”

    Interviewer: We are out of time, but I have to say how thrilled I am at all you have to offer the voters–integrity, clarity and respect for the office.

  234. Tina says:

    We shall see.

    Jeff Carlson
    @themarketswork
    · 1h
    This entire article is fire:

    Sources said charges could be justified against officials, and that those reviewing the Justice Department and the FBI’s actions are building a “serious case.”

    Durham and AG Bill Barr are said to be speaking regularly.
    https://foxnews.com/politics/flynn-bombshell-puts-renewed-attention-on-durham-probe-source-says-barr-talking-to-him-every-day…
    Show this thread

  235. NYCmike says:

    “Durham and AG Bill Barr are said to be speaking regularly.”

    -Hopefully, Rudy will be consulted in how to do the perp walks properly!

  236. Tina says:

    Barry, Mvcabe, and pious Comedy hated whistleblowers

    Jeff Carlson
    @themarketswork
    ·
    1h
    The source added that it is “disturbing to Durham” that “there weren’t any whistleblowers” that came forward in the FBI and Justice Department at the onset of the Russia probe.
    38
    231
    624
    Show

  237. Tina says:

    Jebot 101:

    Kavanaughs Diary is relevented.

    China Biden’s papers from Delaware are not relevant

  238. jason says:

    Here we go, IL comes in with a whopping 3100 cases, so around 29k today is possible.

    But we may be way short on deaths unless CT and PA can work something up quickly.

    Btw, AK reported 0 cases yesterday, tied with China.

  239. Tina says:

    BREAKING: President
    @realDonaldTrump
    says the FDA has authorized the use of Remdesivir to treat #Coronavirus patients

  240. jason says:

    We are in serious risk of having 500 deaths fewer than yesterday unless someone steps up to the plate.

  241. NYCmike says:

    #255 – It looks like Bill DeBlasio is grabbing his bat to pinch hit for the Alaska Governor…….

  242. jason says:

    deBlasio working on the problem now.

  243. Country Dick Montana says:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/pennsylvania/

    Take a look at the deaths graph and tell me someone in PA isn’t manufacturing numbers.

  244. jason says:

    This is really good news.

    “More than 260 COVID-19 patients in South Korea tested positive for the coronavirus after having recovered, raising alarm that the virus might be capable of “reactivating” or infecting people more than once. But infectious disease experts now say both are unlikely.

    Rather, the method used to detect the coronavirus, called polymerase chain reaction (PCR), cannot distinguish between genetic material (RNA or DNA) from infectious virus and the “dead” virus fragments that can linger in the body long after a person recovers, Dr. Oh Myoung-don, a Seoul National University Hospital doctor, said at a news briefing Thursday (April 30), according to The Korea Herald.

    These tests “are very simple,” said Carol Shoshkes Reiss, a professor of Biology and Neural Science at New York University, who was not involved in the testing. “Although somebody can recover and no longer be infectious, they may still have these little fragments of [inactive] viral RNA which turn out positive on those tests.”

  245. Robbie says:

    It’s almost as if Anthony Fauci’s desire to see a huge rise in testing was designed to find a lot more cases so he could justify the continuation of soul crushing lockdowns. We were on the downward swing and suddenly we’re back over 30,000 every day. It may be the case we’ll never get below 15,000 this Summer. Maybe not even 20,000.

  246. Tina says:

    We just broke the daily record in testing.

    321k.

    6.6 million tests done.

  247. Robbie says:

    To put our 30,000 daily cases in perspective, it’s the same as Italy reporting about 4,500 cases a day. Italy hung around that level for quite some time.

    We should probably be focusing on hospitalizations.

  248. Tina says:

    Big protest in Huntington Beach, Ca

  249. Country Dick Montana says:

    Last time on the whole cases thing:

    The cases are ALWAYS out there. The cases that show up are simply CONFIRMED. We are doing more testing. SO, if 2 weeks ago 50000 were tested and 30000 came up positive, and today 100000 are tested and 30000 came up positive, what does that mean? Seem to me in my simple mind that that cases are actually decreasing. Since that is being backed up in decreasing deaths, I would say this is not that important.

    UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical College) health system, one of the largest in PA tested every patient that came through the door. 6.6% tested positive. That is you number.

  250. NYCmike says:

    “UPMC”

    -Didn’t they also say they would start up elective surgeries again??

  251. Country Dick Montana says:

    We are happy to continue to report encouraging news: UPMC has not seen the surge in COVID-19 cases that we were prepared to handle. Our system-wide positivity rate for COVID-19 testing was 6.6 percent in the one-week period from April 14 to April 20, and COVID-19 patients are using only 2 percent of beds across UPMC. While this data is promising, we must continue being diligent in our efforts to mitigate the virus.

    Also,l only 2% of beds in the entire system were for Covid 19 patients.

  252. Country Dick Montana says:

    PA can start with elective surgeries.

  253. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    When comparisions are made between the CORVID-19 death rate in Sweden and Norway/Finland, it should be remembered that Sweden has a much larger immigrant population:

    “Among the first 15 deaths due to covid-19 in Stockholm County, six were reported, by the Swedish-Somali medical society, to be of Somali origin (March 24). Considering that only 0.84% of the Stockholm County population was born in Somalia (n=8,178 by December 2019) this is an astonishing high rate.

    Socio-economic factors, e.g. cramped housing accommodation, high rates of smoking and poor understanding of the Swedish language (which in turn leads to poor understanding of health information on covid-19 provided by the authorities) may explain the situation. Another possible explanation is Ethnic benign neutropenia – the most common form of neutropenia worldwide and very common among East African populations.[2] A risk factor that we want to highlight, however, is the low vitamin D levels found in the Swedish-Somali population.”

  254. Robbi says:

    Country Dick Montana says:
    May 1, 2020 at 5:57 pm
    Last time on the whole cases thing:
    The cases are ALWAYS out there. The cases that show up are simply CONFIRMED. We are doing more testing. SO, if 2 weeks ago 50000 were tested and 30000 came up positive, and today 100000 are tested and 30000 came up positive, what does that mean? Seem to me in my simple mind that that cases are actually decreasing. Since that is being backed up in decreasing deaths, I would say this is not that important.

    – I’m in agreement with you the falling positive test rate is a good thing, but let’s also realize the press will use the high number of daily cases to continue on with their view we are in a crisis. They wanted more testing so they could continue with the panic coverage.

  255. Country Dick Montana says:

    They wanted more testing so they could continue with the panic coverage.

    Doesn’t matter. States are opening up. Once lockdown America gets a look at Free America, the flood gates will open. NYC Mayor Warren Wilhelm says that NYC won’t open up for several months. Good. After a while they will gewt tired of it too. Just watch California and Michigan.

  256. wvally says:

    Discussion of how to drop Joe broached in the mainstream

    https://theweek.com/articles-amp/911903/smokefilled-room-that-could-oust-joe-biden?__twitter_impression=true

    Never was former Vice President Joe Biden the 2020 dream. He promised electability and familiarity, which turned out to be good enough for a plurality of Democratic voters in the early primaries.

    But now that every other Democratic contender has dropped out and dutifully lined up behind the presumptive nominee, that choice might be sitting less comfortably. Biden is campaigning from his basement, giving interviews in which he occasionally moves past gaffes into total incoherence, raising questions about his mental fitness. Worst of all, evidence for a sexual assault allegation against him begins to mount.

    ***
    This is followed by an explanation of how and when a switch would be made, speculating September, after the convention, as the ideal time.

  257. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Since the mathematical model previously posted on the board projects a major increase in the Swedish death rate in May, here are the May 1st statistics as compared with Fridays of the last three weeks:

    New Cases:
    April 10 544
    April 17 676
    April 24 812
    May 1 428

    Deaths
    April 10 77
    April 17 67
    April 24 131
    May 1 67

  258. pitchaboy says:

    Things to watch at this point:
    1. positive rate of tests. NY has gone from 35% to less than 20%, for instance.
    2. New ICU admissions, hospitalizations and intubations.

    Eventually, as the number of tests done per day plateau, you will see new cases on a downslope.

  259. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Modoc County in California just reopened its bars, restaurants and churches, despite Governor Newsom’s order. It has 10,000 residents, and no coronavirus cases. They still require social distancing and extensive cleaning. High risk residents are still recommended to stay home. Restaurants and bars wil cut maximium capacity in half.

    Am expecting other rural California counties to do the same. Modoc County voted 71% for Trump, so Newsom should leave them alone so he can prove the rednecks wrong.

  260. PresidentPaul! says:

    John Felitto, a senior vice president for the U.S. unit of Norwegian shipping company Wallenius Wilhelmsen told Bloomberg:

    “Dealers aren’t really accepting cars and fleet sales are down because rental-car and fleet operators aren’t taking delivery either. This is different from anything we’ve seen before. Everyone is full to the brim.”

  261. PresidentPaul! says:

    #273
    Don’t believe this garbo. There is no way that anyone with a “respiratory problem” is automatically labeled a covid.

    These ongoing “whistle blowing videos” are just that: garbo

    (I agree that constitutionality of these lockdowns are dubious)

  262. jason says:

    I don’t know where Worldometers is getting the numbers. If you go to the state sites you don’t get these numbers.

    PA is listed as 1643 and 110 deaths, but the official site says 1208 and 62 deaths.

    TN is listed as 1156, but their site says 669.

    Whatever, at least it seems like a nice drop in deaths since yesterday. Of course there are still another couple hours to add some more.

  263. PresidentPaul! says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    There is strong support that the first amendment as above includes the right to assemble and the right to freedom of association, which among other reasons is why I always believed Bush’s bogus war on terror to be unconstitutional since people have the right to join groups such as the Mafia, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. If they commit crimes that would justify law enforcement issue.

    Unfortunately people will not view it my way in times of “crisis.”

  264. Phil says:

    Leaving now to get some Mexican food and down a couple of margaritas with friends.

    Enjoy your Friday night shut in, blue staters. Remember, you only have another 12 months under house arrest….well, 12 months if you are good little boys and girls….or maybe 24 months. I guess it depends on how generous your Democratic Governor happens to feel. Maybe he or she will give you the occasional weekend furlough. Doubt it though. IT’S JUST TOO DANGEROUS. Mommy government knows what’s good for his little babies.

  265. Tina says:

    Breaking

    Mark J. Perry
    @Mark_J_Perry
    · 8h
    Update: @TSA Passenger Count. Air Travel Yesterday Increased to the Highest Level Since March 30. Signs of Life. @SoberLook @MaryAnastasiaOG @WSJopinion @wesbury @jhinderaker @MichaelRStrain @tylercowen @AlyssaRuza @Delta @sfgrannis @AlyssaRuza

  266. jason says:

    Enjoy your Friday night shut in, blue staters. Remember, you only have another 12 months under house arrest”

    Definitely A-hole material…

  267. Bitterlaw says:

    I felt sorry for Texas when Houston flooded. Won’t make that mistake again.

    Drink up, Phil.

  268. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Between 3,000 and 5,000 demonstrated in Huntington Beach against the lockdown. There were demonstrations elsewhere as well.

    Newsom is backing down; he knows he is coming close to being totally ignored:

    “As protests against the statewide stay-at-home order hit from Southern California to Sacramento Friday, Gov. Gavin Newsom assured residents that California is “many days, not weeks” away from starting to gradually reopen.

    In an afternoon briefing, Newsom said that the state is edging closer to loosening restrictions than ever — even as he urged people to heed social distancing and local county orders.

    “I just want folks to know we’re close to making really meaningful augmentations to that stay at home order,” Newsom said, adding, “We’re getting very, very close to making some announcements that I think will be very meaningful to people in the retail sector and the hospitality sector.””

  269. Robbie says:

    Everyone here will like this. Indiana and Tennessee have both opened their restaurants. And even though Kentucky has entered into a regional pact with Indiana and other states, our restaurants still don’t have an opening date.

    So today Comrade Andy Beshear announced Kentuckians are not allowed to cross the border to eat at restaurants in other states. Mind you, Beshear was the attorney general so he knows full well the commerce clause says he can’t do that.

    He’s turned into the Kim Jong Un of Kentucky. And yet, not a peep from the Republican Party in the state.

  270. Victrc says:

    Just back from a celebrate freedom road trip to the Blanco River with the kids and wife.

    Two things:

    1. I don’t think most can realize the effect this has had on young children. Ours are 4 and 6 and they’ve been in the house for a month and a half. For those who say it’s just like summer…THIS IS NOT LIKE SUMMER FOR THEM. No friends. No outside playing. No pool. No cousins. No grandma. Just in the house….online school (one is in K but writes in script and reads sixth grade books, the other pre-K 4 and just learning to read). This has been very very hard for them. They were yelling freedom while splashing in the river. They also asked for the windows to be open so they could get fresh air

    2. We took a side country road to explore and found all sorts of animals. Deer. Horses. Antelope, roosters and….LLAMAS!!!

    Go
    Figure. Maybe some of Jason’s buddies!

  271. PresidentPaul! says:

    The governors are “getting tough” on the non social distancers.

    “High-Risk” Convicted Child Molester Rearrested For Sex Crimes After Controversial Release From California Jail Due to COVID-19

  272. PresidentPaul! says:

    61.8% fib retracement on the S&P (at 2930) was hit yesterday\thurs on the SP500, and we’re down today.

    These are numbers of the golden ratio, which is the natural order of the universe.

  273. Country Dick Montana says:

    288 – The quickest way to get ignored is to make rule that you have no way of backing up. I imagine this will be flaunted.

    BTW, isn’t the AG Republican and isn’t he fighting some of the stuff that Bashear is doing?

    Bashear must be auditioning for some type of national position after his one term in office.

  274. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Really great health and safety regulations. Keep surfers off the beach and release sex predators from jail. Welcome to California

  275. Country Dick Montana says:

    1897 Deaths today.

    Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths
    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987
    4/28 – 1959
    4/29 – 1966
    4/30 – 1946
    5/01 – 1938

  276. Country Dick Montana says:

    Rolling 7 Day Average Cases

    4/20 – 28863
    4/21 – 28726
    4/22 – 28673
    4/23 – 29010
    4/24 – 29928
    4/25 – 30865
    4/26 – 30960
    4/27 – 30256
    4/28 – 30174
    4/29 – 29953
    4/30 – 29797
    5/01 – 29427

    I still don’t consider these as important since we don’t know the ratio of confirmed cases vs. number tested.

  277. wvally says:

    I hear ya Vic my daughter has been all alone at our house. But I just today connected w a mom who’s willing to let our girls get together so we’re making plans for tomorrow. Don’t report me Cash Cow!

  278. Country Dick Montana says:

    296- I understand the Cows are into Herd immunity. He is likely on your side.

  279. Cash Cow TM says:

    Power of Mark Zuckerberg to alter election turnout
    https://www.facebook.com/TheTrumpRepublicans/videos/465380514283582/?t=245

  280. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Interesting to examine all-cause mortality in Europe over the last several months, since countries count CORVID-19 deaths differently:

    “How will COVID-19 affect all-cause mortality rates? Financial Times compared the number of deaths (from all causes) in 14 countries for March and April 2020 with death numbers for these countries over the same period of time in 2015–2019. Regardless of whether the COVID-19 death rate is 0.1 percent or three times that high, the new coronavirus is drastically driving up deaths.
    “Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations,” reports the Financial Times (a number “considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods”). This increase “amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.”
    Individually, the countries studied saw between 100 and 27,600 excess deaths.
    At the low end are Denmark and Austria, where overall death numbers are up 5 and 12 percent, respectively. Sweden, also on the lower end, has seen an 18 percent uptick in deaths.
    In France, overall deaths are up 34 percent; in England and Wales, the figure is 37 percent. In Spain, deaths have more than doubled. Italy is seeing 90 percent more deaths than usual.
    “Some of these deaths may be the result of causes other than Covid-19, as people avoid hospitals for other ailments,” the newspaper notes. “But excess mortality has risen most steeply in places suffering the worst Covid-19 outbreaks, suggesting most of these deaths are directly related to the virus rather than simply side-effects of lockdowns.”

  281. Tina says:

    This is a lung disinfectant treatment

    #MuhDisinfectants
    Quote Tweet

    Scott Evans
    @ScottEvansMD
    · Apr 30
    I am incredibly excited and humbled that the @US_FDA has approved trials of the drug my lab discovered (@pulmotect PUL-042) to fight #COVID19 #pneumonia in diagnosed patients (NCT04312997) and exposed #HealthcareWorkers and contacts (NCT04313023).
    Show

  282. Robbie says:

    Country Dick Montana says:
    May 1, 2020 at 8:36 pm
    288 – The quickest way to get ignored is to make rule that you have no way of backing up. I imagine this will be flaunted.

    BTW, isn’t the AG Republican and isn’t he fighting some of the stuff that Bashear is doing?

    Bashear must be auditioning for some type of national position after his one term in office.

    – Yes, the AG is a Republican and he’s challenging Beshear on church services, but by in large the party has ceded the floor to Beshear.

    I do think Beshear is auditioning for a job in the Biden administration. He won’t win in 2023 and he knows it. He only won because his opponent was Bevin.

  283. jason says:

    Dem NH State Rep says Tara Reade’s vagina in “wrong position to be penetrated without cooperation”.

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  284. Paul says:

    Kavanaugh was a rapist.

  285. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    308. Proof?

  286. jason says:

    Paul made the punch at the gang rape parties.

  287. Phil says:

    It was good to get out and get a bite to eat in public. Enjoyable.

    There was zero proof on Kavanaugh’s rape. In fact, there was just the opposite.

    SD, I saw your mayor on FOX the other day. I was VERY impressed. What is his background?

  288. Tina says:

    How were the crowds, Phil?

  289. Phil says:

    He’ll yeah, Kavanaugh made the punch. Michael Avenatti and his client said so. Of course, his client later recanted but Avenatti said the accusations were absolutely true. Hey, if you can’t believe a stand up guy like Avenatti who can you believe? Right, Paul?

    LOL

  290. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    311. His background is PR. The first time I ever posted on this board was after he won; I had supported him and even was a co-sponsored of one of his fundraisers. Now I can truly say — he is a total idiot. However, he has been fairly good during the CORVID-19 epidemic.

  291. Phil says:

    We had to stand in line to get in for about ten minutes, Tina. Six feet apart. They sat every party at every other table. Capacity in the restaurant was limited of course. They had a sanitizer dispenser at the front entrance. No one was forced to put any on their hands but everyone was doing it voluntarily as they walked through the door. Everyone exercising common sense and just enjoying themselves.

  292. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Am sure Paul believes that in all cases the woman accuser should be believed, as the Democrats said during the Kavanaugh hearing. Paul, do you still believe that?

  293. Tina says:

    Sounds like common sense measures, Phil.

    Cannot wait to go to a restaurant and dine there.

  294. Phil says:

    Let me clear that up for you. Paul believes that every woman accuser of a Republican should be believed.

  295. Phil says:

    You know, Tina, it was enjoyable more as a mental thing. Just getting out and doing something normal around a large group of people. There has not been any stay at home order here in Texas so we’ve all been out and about. This was just different. A good feeling. Can’t really explain it.

  296. Victrc says:

    Phil – Amen!!! Took the family to the Blanco River and let them frolic. Afterwards Mexican food and an adult beverage. Everyone was SO HAPPY. I mean, it was if a huge weight had been lifted off of everyone.

  297. Phil says:

    Yes, very therapeutic. A good time had by all.

  298. Victrc says:

    Looking at Texas numbers took and one could get a bit scared. Something like 1400 new cases. BUT I just went to look at testing and today Texss did over 36,000 tests. Normal is about 12,000 and Tuesday they had done as little as 9,000 so, the actual percentage of positive tests went down. We just did triple the amount of tests

  299. PresidentPaul! says:

    The other Hong Kong aka city-state semi independent state in China Macau who Xi has been rewarding for loyalty getting hit hard.

    Macau Gaming Revenues Down 97% As Travel Restrictions Take Toll

    “Macau casinos are virtual ghost towns “

  300. Phil says:

    Yeah, I’m not so much looking at the number of cases like I was a couple of weeks ago simply because the testing numbers are so much higher. Naturally, the cases will be up in sheer numbers if the testing numbers are up significantly. Nationally we were doing about 120-140K a day as late as two weeks ago. We have been doubling that number and did just under 310K today. Probably will hit just close to 340 or 350K by this time next week.

    I had been ignoring the daily death numbers thinking that was a lagging number. They are, but now, I look at them daily since they aren’t dependent on a floating test number like are the total cases.

    Texas case numbers will climb as we do more tests and look for the media to blame that on the phase one opening. The media has an agenda and that agenda is to keep this country closed in order to strangle the economy – to help Biden in November.

  301. lisab says:

    thank you all for the expressions of sympathy

    it is most appreciated

  302. jason says:

    Spain

    New cases 2579 (peak 8271)
    New deaths 276 (peak 961)
    Active cases 74234 (peak 100106)

  303. jason says:

    Russia up to 10k cases a day.

  304. jason says:

    This is how fast it can drop.

    Belgium had 496 deaths on April 10th. 62 today.
    2454 cases on April 16th. 485 today.

  305. Phil says:

    Russia taking it on the chin. Surprised Putin is releasing those numbers.

  306. jason says:

    Dang, Phil went out last night and is still alive!

  307. jason says:

    I think Phil is trying to get contaminated so he will have an excuse to forego the rigid A-hole initiation rituals.

    Zzzzzzzzz…….

  308. jason says:

    Russia taking it on the chin. Surprised Putin is releasing those numbers.”

    Don’t be too surprised. Supposedly only 53 deaths.

  309. jason says:

    Facist governor dimwit feeling the pressure…

    “On Friday, she allowed work that is traditionally and primarily done outdoors — forestry workers, power equipment technicians, parking enforcers — to resume next Thursday. Construction workers, real estate agents, appraisers, brokers, inspectors and surveyors also will be able to work in person. So will manufacturing workers who make items like partitions, cubicles and furniture that will help businesses modify their workplaces amid the pandemic.”

  310. jason says:

    Only 800 deaths in PA outside of nursing homes so far.

    So your chances of dying of COVID-19 in PA if you were not in a nursing home is

    0.000066%

  311. jason says:

    I won’t even calculate what the odds are if you are not in an at risk category, but it would be about 2% of 0.000066%.

  312. Tgca says:

    Studies show people with a diet regular in steamed tofu, seaweed, and kombucha are healthiest and most able to thwart viral infections like COVID-19.

  313. jason says:

    Geezus, give me the virus any day.

    On the other hand, I ate a huge breakfast of bacon, scrapple, country ham, and a mushroom omelet because veggies are important, and guess what, I didn’t get COVID.

    I believe in science.

  314. jason says:

    Things are getting so bad that because he can’t afford Internet Jay Cutler has to buy his wife a new house?

    “Cutler filed documents, per TMZ, that said her request to buy another house in Tennessee was excessive considering they already own two multimillion-dollar homes and have committed to buying a multimillion-dollar condo at the Four Seasons in Nashville.

    “In her response, Kristin says one of their homes is for sale and she doesn’t like to stay in it because there is no internet, and they split time in the other house,” TMZ writes. “She also claims construction hasn’t even started on the Four Seasons condo property yet and Jay didn’t object to the new place until he tried to use it as leverage in their divorce.”

  315. Ron N says:

    Can someone help me I’ve been reading a lot about Gen Flynn lately and still don’t understand what he lied about? Was it the call was it the conversation. When was the lie to the media to the fbi or is it to VP that now may not think he may have lied? If someone was said they would put my son in jail I also would agree to say I lied. So can someone plz tell when, where, and what was the lie plz tell me?

  316. jason says:

    “Studies show people with a diet regular in steamed tofu, seaweed, and kombucha ”

    I will try not to think of this, or I won’t be able to enjoy the two racks baby back ribs I am grilling for lunch.

  317. jason says:

    Ron, the FBI alleged that Flynn lied about the content of his conversation with the Russian ambassador, which were in fact routine for his job. Supposedly he left out that “sanctions” had been discussed in the call.

    But the fact is that the conversation was not about sanctions even if they were mentioned and certainly there were no deals made or promised. There was no collusion of any kind. In fact the agents didn’t really think Flynn lied.

    “Flynn stated that he “never would have pled guilty” had he been aware of reports that the original FBI notes stated that Flynn had a “sure demeanor” and “did not give any indication of deception.” Flynn added that former special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe had engaged in a “sudden and intense” pressure campaign to get him to plead guilty, including threatening to go after his son.”

  318. Tgca says:

    344

    Spare those lil baby back ribs and send them back to their mama. Instead grill yourself some tofu topped with scrumptious eggplant dressing and wash it down with a nice cool celery and mint leaf drink. Yummy!

  319. jason says:

    Too late. Ribs are in, will be done in another hour at low heat. Thinking of sneaking on some bratwurst before my wife says “too much food”, a concept I have yet to understand.

  320. jason says:

    Yahoo headline:

    “Top Dems want the country to move on from Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegations”.

    Well, yeah…

  321. jason says:

    I want to win the Powerball.

    Not that I would have anything to spend it on.

    Huh, I take that back.

    https://www.kansascitysteaks.com/beef

  322. jason says:

    Note the guy’s last name. Fitting.

    “A first-term state representative has resigned over a statement made on Twitter about the woman accusing former Vice President Joe Biden of sexual assault.

    The tweet, which Rep. Richard Komi later deleted, said he thought the woman who alleges Biden sexually assaulted her, would have to have consented to the encounter, based on Komi’s understanding of the female anatomy

    They forgot to mention he is a Democrat, I am sure it was an oversight.

  323. Tina says:

    The bombshell 15-page research document also indicated that the virus was leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a claim initially dismissed as a conspiracy theory because Chinese officials insisted the virus came from the local wet markets, according to the Australian Daily Telegraph.

    “At the same time, a senior intelligence source told Fox News that while most intelligence agencies believe COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan lab, it was thought to have been released accidentally.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  324. Tgca says:

    Bee-you-tee-ful day here. Got out to do some yoga this AM.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/littlesportfan/14053397703/in/photostream/

  325. Tgca says:

    Bee-you-tee-ful day here. Got out to do some yoga this AM.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/littlesportfan/14053397703/in/photostream/

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  327. jason says:

    Actually, this may be news for some people considering Wolf has done nothing for over 5 years.

    “I’m actually the governor of Pennsylvania,” he said during an afternoon conference call with reporters.

  328. Bitterlaw says:

    How do we know it is the real Governor Wolf? He was elected then disappeared. Then he was re-elected and disappeared.. That empty suit would never have done this or anything at all.

  329. mRviTO says:

    If that guy were a Republican, this would be Akin part 2.

  330. lisab says:

    Churchgoers Must Register With the Government in Kansas City

    Kansas City, Missouri, officials are now requiring every church to submit a list of members and attendees along with their names, addresses and telephone numbers to city officials for tracking and surveillance purposes

  331. Paul says:

    It’s too bad that Tara Reade story is getting out there so soon and collapsing so fast. Maybe they should have saved that until October or November.

  332. Phil says:

    Glad to see you back on here, Lisa. Know it’s been a tough time for you and your family. We’ve missed you.

  333. Paul says:

    363: Welcome back. That church registration sounds really nutty. Do you have a link for that?

  334. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    366. Paul in a previous post you stated that Kavanaugh was a rapist. What is your proof?

  335. Phil says:

    Rape parties. Michael Avenatti said so. What other proof you need?

  336. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    364. How is the Tara Reade story collapsing? Am hearing several prominent Democrats say they believe that Reade has a right to be heard, including Eric Swalwell.

  337. jason says:

    Houston, we have a problem. States are not cooperating and we will never get to 30k cases today at this rate.

    Shortfall from yesterday:

    Florida -300
    Texas -800
    Louisiana -300
    Texas -800
    Maryland -700
    DC -200
    Georgia -500
    California -1000
    Mass -150
    Illinois -700
    Pennsylvania -400
    Michigan -100
    New York -400
    Tennessee -400

    We need someone to step up.

  338. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    California has traditionally been dominated by San Francisco Bay area politicans — Brown, Newsom, Feinstein, Boxer, Harris, etc — who felt they could lord over the rest of the state.

    Now Newsom has overplayed their hand — and things could change.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495763-battle-erupts-in-california-over-when-to-open

  339. jason says:

    I guess now the Dems have a new story for a woman to be believed.

    Not only did she have to file a complaint, it had to specify every detail.

    Funny it didn’t apply to Kavanaugh.

  340. jason says:

    New standard.

  341. Tina says:

    Protests erupt in Oregon, as fascist dictator extends lockdown. To July 6th.

  342. Phil says:

    July 6th? Whaaaat?

    Oregon had 56 new cases today. 69 yesterday and one death.

    Geeeez

    BTW, my neighbor and I have a 9:30 tee time in the morning.

  343. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 2, 2020 at 5:36 pm
    Houston, we have a problem. States are not cooperating and we will never get to 30k cases today at this rate.

    – It’s a weekend. They’ll make up for it on Monday and Tuesday when we get a 40,000 day.

  344. Ron N says:

    You would think Maryland would step up since they went and got those test from Korea. Just so they could hid them and not use them. What was the use of getting them? It’s doesn’t seem like they are doing anymore test since getting them.

  345. jason says:

    – It’s a weekend. They’ll make up for it on Monday and Tuesday when we get a 40,000 day”

    Actually, Saturday doesn’t get under reported, that is usually Sunday.

    Last Saturday we had 35k+ cases and 2065 deaths.

    Hopefully we will be under on both counts today.

  346. jason says:

    PA did come up with some more deaths than their official site so there is that.

    Might still get an adjustment from NY and CT is still out, but the other states still out don’t amount to many cases.

  347. jason says:

    I was out and about today, WM parking lot was absolutely full. Loews and Home Depot very busy. Lines at take-out restaurants and even a line at Dicks for curbside orders.

    I think people are aware that with 600 cases and 11 deaths out a population of 450000 people your odds of dying of COVID-19 in York County, or even getting it, are pretty slim.

  348. Phil says:

    You are just saying that because you don’t care if people die, Jason.

  349. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    383. Am curious what the annual death rate is in that county from automobile accidents?

  350. Phil says:

    I just looked it up, SD. There were 50 auto fatalities in York County, Pa in 2019.

  351. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 2, 2020 at 6:25 pm
    I was out and about today, WM parking lot was absolutely full. Loews and Home Depot very busy. Lines at take-out restaurants and even a line at Dicks for curbside orders.
    I think people are aware that with 600 cases and 11 deaths out a population of 450000 people your odds of dying of COVID-19 in York County, or even getting it, are pretty slim.

    – The more we learn, the more it becomes apparent coronavirus is lethal in nursing home and long-term care settings. For those older than 65, it’s generally serious. For the rest, it’s somewhere between nothing, a cold, or a bad flu.

  352. Robbie says:

    Until recently, those receiving tests were restricted to the sickest and there was a loose consensus for every case we identified there were about 9 we were missing. Since we hit the million mark a week or so ago, that probably means we have had at least 10 million cases.

    We’re capturing more cases now that testing has expanded so that ratio may be a bit smaller, but it still can’t factor all of the cases that occurred in February and early March when we were unaware of them. If we conservatively put that number at 2 million, we’ve had at least 12 million cases. That would put the death rate at 0.5%.

    Quite frankly, the death rate is probably much lower in light of the anti-body surveys we’ve seen. If the nationwide average is 7%, we’ve had 23 million cases. If it’s 5%, we’ve had 16 million cases. Those two totals would reduce the mortality rate to .28% and .4% respectively.

    If I can do this simple math, why isn’t Fauci? Why isn’t Birx? This is terrible illness for a very specific subset of the population, but we’re using a one size fits all approach and it’s insane.

  353. Phil says:

    Yep, protect the elderly and those at risk and let the rest of society get on with it. It’s not any deadlier to the young, the healthy, the middle aged then the damned flue. Look at the stats for heaven’s sake.

    This is nuts. The nation is committing economic suicide.

    The leftist are loving this. Their puppets in the media continue to push this moronic strategy and shame anyone who questions it. By now with what we’ve learned about the virus It is apparent how ludicrous this is…..yet the media refuses to question any of this insane policy.

    Flatten the curve. Ok, we did that. The goalposts have moved. Now we must continue economic ruin until there are virtually no cases – an impossible goal and they know it. Even that wouldn’t be enough for some. It would be “we must stay locked down because it might come back”.

    God help us.

  354. jason says:

    – The more we learn, the more it becomes apparent coronavirus is lethal in nursing home and long-term care settings. For those older than 65, it’s generally serious. For the rest, it’s somewhere between nothing, a cold, or a bad flu.”

    Well, we are still not ready to sacrifice everyone in nursing homes and every person with a pre-existing condition.

    So keeping those people from dying in the hundreds of thousands or even millions is a worthy effort.

    If you don’t close schools a lot more grandmas and grandpas would have died.

    But again, the right approach would have been to isolate the nursing homes and the at risk population, even if you had to use every hotel room in America to do it. Test EVERY person at EVERY international airport. Everyone who could work from home stay home. Masks. No mass gatherings. Social distancing. All those other precautions. Maybe even shut down bars for a month.

    But the rest of the economy stay open.

  355. PresidentPaul! says:

    I believe the COVID rates are falling pretty drastically with the stay at home stuff for the most part although I don’t know about these high population areas such as New York, Italy, Tokoyo.

    Seems impossible to control the virus when people are piling into the subway system and sardine cans together.

  356. jason says:

    If I can do this simple math, why isn’t Fauci? Why isn’t Birx?”

    They know the math.

    But they are focused on keeping deaths down, that is their charter.

    Their charter is not “balance deaths with economic consequences”.

    0.4% of 330 million people is 1.32 million. That is not going to happen on Fauci and Birx’s watch.

  357. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 2, 2020 at 8:05 pm
    Well, we are still not ready to sacrifice everyone in nursing homes and every person with a pre-existing condition.

    – My point was more along the lines of what we have learned and how we should apply it going forward. Initially, I thought shutting down was appropriate. I was clearly naive in what I thought it could accomplish, but around April 1 it became fairly obvious to me we had overcompensated.

    Ask 65 and older to stay home as much as possible and limit stores and restaurants to 50%. If you want masks, wear them.

    We’re on the road to committing societal and economic suicide.

  358. Bitterlaw says:

    I am willing to risk dying myself. I am not sure if I am willing to risk killing my dad.

    I agree with Phil that it is time to reopen the country. I just want to hear anybody complain if deaths spike after it. I am sorry this disease took lisab’s Dad. I don’t know if Phil has elderly relatives.

  359. Robbie says:

    PresidentPaul! says:
    May 2, 2020 at 8:07 pm
    I believe the COVID rates are falling pretty drastically with the stay at home stuff for the most part although I don’t know about these high population areas such as New York, Italy, Tokoyo.
    Seems impossible to control the virus when people are piling into the subway system and sardine cans together.

    – Maybe. I think there’s a good argument we furthered the spread by telling everyone to stay inside in confined spaces with a highly contagious upper respiratory illness. China, whether you want to believe them or not, found 85% of their cases were family clusters.

  360. PresidentPaul! says:

    Pretty sure Biden died like 6 months ago, and this is just more of a weekend at bernie’s situation at this point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XoqHFawOoQ

  361. PresidentPaul! says:

    #395
    Nope data tells the truth. COVID numbers have crashed in USA although I don’t know about these super populated areas. I think they are a different situation, and I don’t have a good grasp on what’s going on there.

    I’m just speaking about the vast majority of the country.

  362. Tina says:

    The venthoarder has declared himself to be an eligible bachelor.

    No concern about sending coronavirus patients back to nursing homes.

    No concern about closing the subway (or cleaning it).

  363. jason says:

    Here we go:

    “A California city official who said COVID-19 should be allowed to run its course, killing elderly and homeless residents to “fix what is a significant burden on our society,” was removed from his position Friday night.

    The Antioch City Council voted unanimously to remove Ken Turnage from the planning commission.”

  364. PresidentPaul! says:

    #398
    Intubating 80 year olds with COVID-19 is very likely futile care, and if resources of tight it is also an egregious waste of them.

    But Sarah Palin one of the earth’s greatest idiots screams “death panels” to rally the slubs to vote for McCain. ha

  365. Phil says:

    I won’t complain if the numbers go up if we open up. Is it because I don’t care if people die? No, that’s nonsense. Take that crap somewhere else. It’s because people are going to die in the same numbers anyway. The only difference is the timeline. Will it be more up front or will it be drawn out over an endless timeline…endless being until there is a vaccine assuming there ever will be one.

    Do you want to destroy the economy? we are talking about people’s lively hoods. There will be permanent damage for a generation. Do you think we can afford another 5 or 6 trillion dollars worth of govt. debt while we wait out another six months for this virus to cease being a problem? How about trillions more for the six months after that?

    These blue state governors are insane. The Maine governor has things closed down until June. She had like 2o new cases today and one death. The Illinois governor is a moron. Wolf in Pennsylvania is a joke. Even the Pa posters believe that. The Michigan governor? Don’t get me started. Kentucky? Oregon has been over the hump for a month now. The governor there now says maybe July 6th?

    I’m playing golf tomorrow. Screw the United Blue States of Coronavirus. You’re making it all a hundred times worse with your moronic “strategy”.

  366. jason says:

    Did not quite make 30k, but close, and +1691 deaths, which is the 4th day of decrease in a row.

    Slow progress, but 5k+ fewer cases and 400 fewer deaths than last Saturday.

    And 9000 fewer cases and 1000 fewer deaths than the peak.

  367. Country Dick Montana says:

    Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths

    4/20 – 2137
    4/21 – 2174
    4/22 – 2154
    4/23 – 2178
    4/24 – 2095
    4/25 – 2124
    4/26 – 2066
    4/27 – 1987
    4/28 – 1959
    4/29 – 1966
    4/30 – 1946
    5/01 – 1938
    5/02 – 1884

  368. Country Dick Montana says:

    Rolling 7 Day Average Cases

    4/20 – 28863
    4/21 – 28726
    4/22 – 28673
    4/23 – 29010
    4/24 – 29928
    4/25 – 30865
    4/26 – 30960
    4/27 – 30256
    4/28 – 30174
    4/29 – 29953
    4/30 – 29797
    5/01 – 29427
    5/02 – 28585

  369. Phil says:

    Not good enough for the blue state governors, Jason. Keep it locked down until we’re down to zero deaths. Lock down forever. Blue state governors know best. Now, everyone back into your cages, uh, I mean homes.

  370. jason says:

    I agree with Phil that it is time to reopen the country. I just want to hear anybody complain if deaths spike after it.”

    The cases will happen anyway, the only difference is the timeline.

    My only concern is can we take care of the sick? If we can then we should keep reopening as long as we don’t exceed the hospital capacity.

  371. Phil says:

    Not any statistical difference in the number of new cases over the last week. However, we’ve increased our number of tests by a lot – so that is very misleading.

  372. Phil says:

    Take care and isolate the sick. Absolutely. that’s the other half of the open it up strategy. Got to do that but it can be done.

  373. jason says:

    But Sarah Palin one of the earth’s greatest idiots screams “death panels” to rally the slubs to vote for McCain. ha”

    Hey Bunu, GFY.

    Palin might be an idiot, but she was right about the death panels.

    And people do survive being intubated, otherwise there would be no point.

  374. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Despite no mandatory lockdown, Sweden’s death rate is falling. On May 2nd there were 16 CORVID-19 deaths in Sweden. Here is the comparison with the number of deaths the previous three Saturdays in April.

    April 11th 17
    April 18th 111
    April 25th 40
    May 2nd 16

    As far as Sweden’s death rate compared to other European countries. It appears they are on the low end when overall death rates are examined:

    “At the low end are Denmark and Austria, where overall death numbers are up 5 and 12 percent, respectively. Sweden, also on the lower end, has seen an 18 percent uptick in deaths.
    In France, overall deaths are up 34 percent; in England and Wales, the figure is 37 percent. In Spain, deaths have more than doubled. Italy is seeing 90 percent more deaths than usual.
    “Some of these deaths may be the result of causes other than Covid-19, as people avoid hospitals for other ailments,” the newspaper notes. “But excess mortality has risen most steeply in places suffering the worst Covid-19 outbreaks, suggesting most of these deaths are directly related to the virus rather than simply side-effects of lockdowns.”

  375. jason says:

    Not any statistical difference in the number of new cases over the last week”

    Well, actually there is, about 8% lower, which is statistically significant.’

    But I agree with your other points.

  376. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – You are being a smug douche. Nobody here wants the shutdowns to continue but you act like we do because of where we live. That is absurd. It would be like me claiming you are in favor of illegal immigration because you live in a state that shares a border with Mexico. GFY.

    Jason will be in contact with you to schedule your zoom interview with the A-holes.

  377. PresidentPaul! says:

    1) We know 80 years being intubated only have a about 10% chance or so of survival likely worse.

    2) We know COVID’s of all age groups combined has a 12% chance of surival (but the 12% that do are the 30 year olds)

    3) Now combine #1 and #2 for whatever miserable percent you’re excited about for intubating all these nursing home residents.

    4) Most sane people do not intubate their 80 year grandma living in the nursing his with alzheimer’s to begin with.

    As inside their is a cruelty to this as well. After we break all 24 ribs of grandma to keep her alive for an extra two weeks.

  378. PresidentPaul! says:

    Sarah Palin did more harm to the republican party for promoting John McCain than even John Kasich did with all his whining.

  379. Bitterlaw says:

    Bunu and the Paulbots are not Republicans.

  380. Phil says:

    Bitter, you have to admit, I have caught the eye of the A-Hole society and been extremely impressive over the last several weeks – if I do say so myself.. A-Hole ready I am. Assuming I win the bet with Jason on the 15th and he sponsors my application I propose ya’ll waive the interview process and just induct me. I am a late bloomer, but definitely well qualified to be a member. I feel I’ve proven myself of late.

  381. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    I strongly oppose the idea of depriving the very old of life-saving care, even when they are in nursing homes and unlikely to resume regular lives.

    When I was very young, I remember talking to a relative in her 90’s. She told me about knowing people who had fought in the Civil War, and related a lot of interesting stories. She clearly was happy to have lived long enough to relate these stories to children from generations later. If someone wants to pass on, am supportive of ending medical care — but otherwise the very old have a lot of wisdom their younger family members can learn.