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Trump Leads Biden By 3% in NC, Biden Leads Trump By 6% in FL

In the state of North Carolina, East Carolina University has a new poll showing Donald Trump and Thom Tillis with small leads in their respective races.

PRESIDENT – NORTH CAROLINA (ECU)
Donald Trump (R-inc) 46%
Joe Biden (D) 43%

US SENATE – NORTH CAROLINA (ECU)
Thom Tillis (R-inc) 41%
Cal Cunningham (D) 40%

GOVERNOR – NORTH CAROLINA (ECU)
Roy Cooper (D-inc) 51%
Dan Forest (R) 36%

This poll was done May 7-9 among 1111 registered voters. In FLorida, a new poll from Florida Atlantic University shows Biden ahead of Trump.

PRESIDENT – FLORIDA (FAU)
Joe Biden (D) 53%
Donald Trump (R-inc) 47%

This poll was done May 8-12 among 928 likely voters.

Posted by Dave at 9:56 pm
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459 Responses to “Trump Leads Biden By 3% in NC, Biden Leads Trump By 6% in FL”

  1. Tina says:

    Phuq Quittens

    Undercover Huber
    @JohnWHuber
    ·
    46m
    You fired Ric Grenell because the media found out he was gay, that was pretty chilly
    Quote Tweet

    Senator Mitt Romney
    @SenatorRomney
    · 2h
    The firings of multiple Inspectors General is unprecedented; doing so
    without good cause chills the independence essential to their purpose. It is a threat to accountable democracy and a fissure in the constitutional balance of power.

  2. jason says:

    What is unprecedented is the amount of partisan IG holdovers the previous administration.

  3. jason says:

    So they put 172 deaths back for NY at 9:18 PM.

    Unbelievable.

    IHME Model
    Projected Actual
    May 1 2343 1897 – 446
    May 2 2276 1691 – 585
    May 3 2265 1153 -1112
    May 4 2205 1324 – 881
    May 5 2180 2350 + 170
    May 6 2143 2528 + 385
    May 7 2097 2129 + 32
    May 8 2039 1687 – 352
    May 9 1971 1422 – 549
    May10 1921 750 – 1171
    May11 1898 1008 – 890
    May12 1803 1630 – 173
    May13 1774 1772 – 2
    May14 1740 1715 – 35
    May15 1703 1595 – 108
    May16 1662 1218 – 444

    May 14 cases 23488
    May 14 deaths 1218

    May 9 deaths: 1422
    May 9 cases: 25524

  4. jason says:

    Phil, the IHME projection for tomorrow is 1662.

  5. Phil says:

    Yeah, leave it to Romney to jump in.

    So predictable. The people of Utah have got to be fed up with this guy’s now very predictable act.

    Democrat’s useful idiot. Here is a guy who was destroyed by the MSM when he was running against Obama…..the same MSM he now can’t cozy up enough to.

    Geez

    Let me guess. Chuck Todd’s going to have him on MTP tomorrow as a “principled Republican”

  6. Bitterlaw says:

    https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population

    Have fun, number crunchers.

    Maybe Phil is right. I would rather live in a town where there are buildings from 1687 than Texas. I would rather visit Times Square than the Dr. Pepper Museum.

    A month ago, I would have been saddened by the flooding in Louisiana. But as Phil taught me, you reap what you sow and they chose to live there.

  7. Phil says:

    1662?

    Blue state governors in conference now to decide whose turn it is to blow up that number. Doesn’t matter. They are a tag team.

  8. Bitterlaw says:

    Not sure if Phil as a Dallas Cowboys fan or a Houston Texans fan.

    My A-hole vote depends upon many factors.

  9. Phil says:

    Time Square? Full of leftist Yankees. count me out.

  10. Phil says:

    Hate the Cowboys. Always have. America’s team my ass.

    Texans? Worst run franchise in the NFL. Screw them too.

  11. Phil says:

    Cowboys franchise the most self entitled organization in professional sports. Their fans think their stuff don’t stink. Someone needs to tell them they haven’t done anything in almost 30 yrs.

    Their cheerleaders are hot but I’m too old to even enjoy that any more.

  12. Bitterlaw says:

    Times Square is filled with tourists from all over the US and and the world. Well, it used to be.

    I can accept Dallas fans from Texas and nearby places without a team. Cowboys fans from other places are vermin.

  13. Bitterlaw says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr-tYOftnps

    After the Eagles won the Super Bowl, they sent former Kicker (Kicker!) to the draft in Dallas. He was awesome.

  14. Bitterlaw says:

    RIP Fred Willard.

  15. Tgca says:

    Quince Bebe! Quince!

  16. Phil says:

    Fred Willard and Phyllis George

    RIP

    No doubt both will be listed as Coronavirus fatalities.

  17. Tgca says:

    6

    Wow! Under your logic, then screw NYC because who cares about 9/11. They brought it on themselves, right?

    For the record, unless you’ve spent time in TX or LA, I would not be so quick to judge them. I’ve traveled quite a bit all over the US and don’t find folks in Philly particularly special compared to other areas of the US. Yes, Philly has a lot of history and old buildings but it’s also has many areas that are filthy, high crime, high poverty, expensive, and especially filled with folks whose vastly left-winged politics resemble Berkeley and San Francisco that would love to turn America into a vastly left-winged socialistic welfare state.

    If those were my choices, I’d take TX any day then stuck living with folks that don’t respect you and think you’re less than them. If buildings mean that much to you so be it. But I’d rather choose people over buildings.

  18. Marco Rubio says:

    Hi Fwiends,
    I’m thad about Phiwwis George and Fwed Wiwwad. Very very thad.

  19. Bitterlaw says:

    People in Texas don’t think they are better than everybody else? Have you met any of them? Don’t mess with Texas? They praise the place non-stop. Just ask Phil.

  20. Bitterlaw says:

    How did New York bring the terror attacks in itself? Have you been hanging with Bunu?

    You could have lived in a cool Philadelphia neighborhood but chose Cherry Hill, New Jersey?!? You’re not gay. You are an old Jewish man.

  21. Tgca says:

    19

    I’ve known a number of folks from TX. I don’t think they are all what you think they are. I also grew up in north Jersey and worked in NYC for years, and I can attest to the northeast coast arrogance and elitism that you find there and in places like San Francisco and other major cities. The same folks that would love to see someone with your politics isolated and humiliated.

    I think I also understand why folks in the these elitist cities think they’re better than others and why like you, they can’t understand others that are different from them. It’s a justification to fit in by putting others down.

    It takes all types to make the world go round but you seem to think northeast people are better. I assure you they’re not.

  22. Tgca says:

    20

    Not hanging with Bunu or anyone. It was an analogy to show you how callous and stoopid your view was of others. How did folks in LA or TX bring the devastation upon them is the same as saying NYers brought 9/11 on themselves by putting themselves at risk living in a city that is the most likely a target for a terrorist attack.

    I chose to live outside of Philly because I wanted to live in a clean safe city with spacious areas for enjoying the outdoors. I don’t need to live in a gay neighborhood paying exorbitant rents for small dwellings with no parking and limited access to ideal shopping in crowded noisy dirty neighborhoods with homeless all over the place. I don’t feel a need to fit in with groups or architecture to remind myself of who or what I enjoy in life. You seem to worry too much about fitting in with others. I don’t.

  23. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    1. Undercover Huber @JohnWHuber
    You fired Ric Grenell because the media found out he was gay, that was pretty chilly
    Quote Tweet Senator Mitt Romney. . .

    Romney’s treatment of Ric Grenell was deeply offensive. It alienated a lot of Mormon gays in 2012. Romney still appears to be uncomfortable around gay people; unlike younger Utah Republicans like Spencer Cox (hopefully the next governor) and Tanner Ainge (hopefully a Utah senator in the future).

    Utah is a young state, with about one in seven jobs in tech. Romney is deeply out-of-touch, and hopefully will retire at the end of his term. I used to defend Romney, but his anti-Trump grandstanding got old.

    Grenell has done an amazing job under Trump

  24. VictrC says:

    Phil – where did you get those testing numbers from teh last thread.

    Bitter – I NEVER (yes capitalized) thought I would like Texas. I’m a NYer born, bred, college, but also lived in CA for 15 years and travel outside the US extensively. When my wife and I met I tried to move her to the Mountains east of LA – no Go. NYC – lasted 3 days. Eastern shore outside DC, lasted 6 months, then the crooked street (Literally red brick and flowers every morning out our window) – lasted 6 months. I finally gave up and moved to TX.

    I actually like it here now. (except for July – Sept) the people are super friendly, weather is great for 8 months a year, I play lots of golf, and for my two little boys, its a great family atmosphere (yes, sir, yes mam)

    Now with that said I miss the “bitterness” of back home, of people kind of yelling, challenging each other, talking loud. Ill always be a yankee (HATE USING THAT NAME) to them, but they still treat me nice. Oh, and the food. Great Mexican and BBQ…other than that, nope

    But overall this is where we will stay and I’m happy.

  25. VictrC says:

    Crooked street = Lombard in San Francisco. We lived in the last house/apt on the bottom

  26. lisab says:

    i have lived in four countries and five states

    and visited at least a dozen other countries and states

    nothing beats living in provincetown, massachusetts

  27. lisab says:

    minnesota is pretty good though

    i like that, until recently, it was growing quickly

  28. Tgca says:

    23

    Uh-oh. SDC is over his man crush on Romney. That spells doom for Romney when he has lost SDC. It’s about time SDC. Glad you’re with us now. 🙂

    Romney is a bigoted scum…let’s not forget the 47% remark too…we all know what he meant.

    Now we need to find you a new man crush…how’s Harvey Fierstein work for you?

  29. Tgca says:

    25

    We lived not too far apart. I lived in Pct Hts by Franklin. When guests came to town, Lombard was on our tour guide. I also used to frequent some restaurants on Hyde as well as an ice cream parlor there.

  30. VictrC says:

    TGCA I remember you used to live there. The ice cream shop is Swensens on Hyde and Union,. Ive been going there since I was a kid (we lived on Hyde and Washington for a year when I was a kid, and Greenwich and Fillmore for another year).

    We used to go to The Crepe house on Polk for breakfast and I would get the Miami Heat LOL

  31. lisab says:

    i used to go to mel’s diner for the cheese cake

    but i’ve only been to san francisco a few times

  32. Wes says:

    Phil says:
    May 16, 2020 at 10:19 pm
    Yeah, leave it to Romney to jump in.

    So predictable. The people of Utah have got to be fed up with this guy’s now very predictable act.

    Democrat’s useful idiot. Here is a guy who was destroyed by the MSM when he was running against Obama…..the same MSM he now can’t cozy up enough to.

    Geez

    Let me guess. Chuck Todd’s going to have him on MTP tomorrow as a “principled Republican.”

    Blame talk radio. They ran Orrin Hatch out of town and got Romney as a result.

    Beware what you ask for, for it may come to pass.

  33. Country Dick Montana says:

    Don’t know of anyonw noticed but on worldometer between Monday and Friday that added 388 deaths overnight. No explanation. I don’t think anyone knows what is actually going on.

    Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths

    4/23 – 2178 Peak

    5/01 – 1938
    5/02 – 1884
    5/03 – 1884
    5/04 – 1875
    5/05 – 1858
    5/06 – 1878
    5/07 – 1867
    5/08 – 1837
    5/09 – 1799
    5/10 – 1741
    5/11 – 1704
    5/12 – 1635
    5/13 – 1534
    5/14 – 1481
    5/15 – 1469
    5/16 – 1439

  34. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    mnw’w favorite “conservative” poster at Red Racing Horses,HONEYBEE, has really lost it and is now considered a DKOS fan. Her/his fear of the COVID-19 yesterday resulted this in ridiculous rant against The Donald and the GOP:

    May 16, 2020 at 7:54 pm
    1. Lesson is don’t run an obviously poor candidate who insults the other side’s military service. I don’t think it means much at all for the macro-scale 2020 elections. I expect Trump’s coronavirus handling to be his undoing and expect him to lose by more than Mitt Romney did in 2012 and maybe as much as McCain ’08. Voters aren’t going to re-elect Trump if they see countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Australia containing this thing while we sit here in our houses social distancing with millions of deaths. The chance for Republicans to have a good 2020 was lost months ago and every second that Trump listens to Art Laffer and his ilk, we’ll have less chance at mitigating the damages. Democrats will likely win a federal trifecta. And I don’t think it will be all that close either. I expect Susan Collins, Thom Tillis, Martha McSally and Cory Gardner to all lose. Republicans will also likely lose one of Kansas, Georgia, and Iowa.

    If we decided to treat this like the threat it is, Trump would be heading into election day with an 80% approval rating being able to point to his masterful handling of corona compared to places like Europe where this was totally mishandled. Unfortunately, Trump has poor advisors who told him “you can’t win with high unemployment”. Looks like GOP is cooked in 2020

    2. Going out on a limb, I think Rs might lose both Georgia Senate seats with the impending electoral disaster.

    Somewhere between Tea Partier and a Moderate

    Log in to Reply
    ROCKYRED
    May 16, 2020 at 8:05 pm | In reply to HoneyBee
    Oh come on, this sounds like some left-wing fantasy diatribe I would see on Daily Kos. While I can understand there being concern in these uncertain times, there is no basis for anything you described. In fact, things have been remarkably stable considering the circumstances. Let’s not fall into the left’s trap by glooming and dooming ourselves. Frankly, I think the prospect of Dems getting wiped out across the board is far more likely than what you stated.

  35. Tina says:

    Over 12.5 million views of trumps pinned tweet

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261747580666552320

  36. Tina says:

    On Romney, who said from the beginning that he would be a disaster and a HUGE downgrade from Hatch (who did not look his age) and should have stayed?

  37. Tina says:

    The socialist son advocating for another hoax.

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    To the degree there’s a design behind “Obamagate” it’s this: To reinforce the claim that Russian interference in 2016 was a hoax. So when there are reports of Russia interfering this fall Trump can dismiss them as a hoax. So Russia can successfully interfere in the 2020 election.

  38. Phil says:

    So Kristol is going to spout the Russians are at it again during the coming fall campaign.

    Good luck with that one.

  39. jason says:

    On Romney, who said from the beginning that he would be a disaster and a HUGE downgrade from Hatch (who did not look his age) and should have stayed?”

    Yep, I was wrong to support him for the senate.

    He is really a despicable scumbag, although I have been calling him that for a long time now.

  40. jason says:

    But remember, some of the “true conservatives” here thought Hatch was not conservative enough either.

  41. Phil says:

    Yeah, those on here that wanted Hatch out got some explaining to do.

  42. Chicon says:

    Tina, Mitt really has become the new McCain.

  43. jason says:

    Tina, Mitt really has become the new McCain.”

    Zzzzzzzzz….

    Ma, the competition is using bad bait.

  44. Chicon says:

    If only it was just bait…

  45. Phil says:

    McCain was a war hero. No dispute there.

    McCain loved the spotlight and had no problem spouting Democratic talking points on multiple occasions to obtain said MSM spotlight.

    War hero and pain in the butt. Both are true.

    McCain held the record for appearances on Sunday talk shows. What do you think was the reason he got so many MSM venue bookings? Plus, can’t tell you the number of times we all heard Democrats use McCain’s quotes to justify their positions as valid. McCain was at times quite useful to the other side. That’s not even debatable. He wasn’t Romney, no…..but at time he was really useful to the other side. That’s a fact.

  46. Tgca says:

    31 Vic

    Yes, Swenson, that’s it. There was an Italian restaurant I used to go to there too.

    Yes, I used to go to the crepe house too. I liked the breakfast crepes. I’m trying to remember what is was before that because that came in the later years. I lived in that neighborhood for 14 years and watched it change dramatically over time with the dot.com evolution, especially Polk Street. Polk was quite a busy street with many small stores. There used to be a few coffee shops and breakfast joints on Polk I went too, and before they closed them down, two old ornate theaters, one down by Vallejo or Green streets and one across from Walgreens up between Sacramento and Clay. It was a unique neighborhood of about 12 blocks from Sutter to Union streets of small specialty stores, bars, restaurants, movies, etc that was always crowded until about 9PM weekly. I remember a sports bar there too that was always crowded and who could forget the Big Apple grocery store which I saw closed down.

    Every time I think of this I feel like I’m in another world before SF became so tech focused and lost its neighborhood charm. So many local folks you would see daily but alas nothing lasts forever. So many specialty stores too like the shoe and boot repair, the watch store, and not to forget the big Blockbuster store with parking.

  47. Tina says:

    I wanted Hatch to stay. He and Grassley navigated the Kavanaugh heading well.

  48. Chicon says:

    Pretty accurate, Phil.

  49. Tina says:

    Remember when many “Rs” claimed that the venthoarder was doing the best job evah because trump did too many press conferences and was mean to reporters?

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/blame-governors-for-coronavirus-deaths-in-nursing-homes-goodwin/

  50. Tina says:

    *hearing well.

  51. Robbie says:

    I generally like Romney, but I look at him just as I do Bill Kristol. He’s one voice out of 100 in the Senate and he no longer moves the needle on anything. He voted to remove Trump from office and it was barely a one day story on CNN and MSNBC. Big deal that he’s upset about removing an inspector general. If Romney’s words mattered, he’d be in his second term as president.

    And honestly, isn’t American political history littered with people who once had great sway and later became little more than gadflies speaking to a very limited audience? I think so and that appears to be where Romney is headed. Let him go there if he wants.

    I say worry about Romney when he starts voting down conservative legislation or conservative judges. So long as he doesn’t do that, let him have his occasional moments of frustration with this or that.

  52. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    May 17, 2020 at 10:51 am
    Yeah, those on here that wanted Hatch out got some explaining to do.

    – Impeachment vote aside, has Romney’s voting record on legislation and judges been any different than Hatch’s? I’m sure there might be a vote or two, but overall? As best I can tell, there hasn’t been.

  53. Tgca says:

    32 LisaB

    There were a few Mel Diners in SF. The one on Geary was the popular one with a sizable parking lot and often went there for late night eats or Sunday brunch. It did feel like the old drive-in with its setup, booths, and juke boxes in all the booths. I was a big fan of their fries with gravy.

    That and the Grubstake on Pine Street. A small train car converted to a diner. The poor folks working there would have to deal with all inebriated folks on a Fri or Sat night going there after the bars closed on Polk.

  54. Phil says:

    I generally can agree with most of what you are saying about Romney, Robbie minus the “generally likeing” him part.

    Unfortunately it’s gotten to be more than just “occasional moments” with him.

  55. jason says:

    I think Chicon is being a little generous to Romney, but each to his own.

    McCain was a true American hero who made great personal sacrifices in the service of his country. He was tortured and maimed and spent years in a POW camp. From there he went on to a distinguished public service career and was elected by his constituents to the House and then to six terms in the senate. He made great contributions to his party, conservative causes and his country during that time, and was tireless in his defense of the military. He was of great help to Ronald Reagan’s presidency, whom he proclaimed to have the greatest political influence on him. He was a strong supporter of capitalism and free trade and a firm believe in American exceptionalism. He was a man of exceptional character.

    I am not sure Romney, although an accomplished man no doubt, quite rises to McCain’s level of greatness.

    But I am sure he appreciates Chicon’s comparison.

  56. jason says:

    I generally like Romney”

    Puhhleeeze, let’s get real.

  57. jason says:

    Remember when many “Rs” claimed that the venthoarder was doing the best job evah”

    Is there an example of who one of the many “R”s might be?

    The only actual praise I saw of Cuomo was that he was being smart enough to cooperate with the Federal Government to get things done.

  58. jason says:

    Impeachment vote aside, has Romney’s voting record on legislation and judges been any different than Hatch’s?”

    LOL

    Is this like saying Auschwitz and Dachau aside, Hitler really liked Jews?

  59. jason says:

    Romney’s disgusting, self serving impeachment vote where he basically repeated the talking points of the dishonest, partisan, despicable Adam Schiff, and where he basically endorsed the charade and advocated for a coup against a sitting President, cannot really be classified as “impeachment vote aside”.

  60. Chicon says:

    Romney does not have the war hero background McCain had, plus his playing to the camera garbage is current. But McCain was as big a tool in his political career as Romney is now. Phil put it well earlier.

  61. Phil says:

    The fact that McCain was Kerry’s first choice as his VP selection in 2004 will always bother me. He declined but the fact that Democrats actually were willing to use McCain to obtain the WH tells you how useful Democrats regarded McCain. Name me another Republican ever that the Democrats would be willing to put on their ticket. They felt he had been useful before and thus might even be a useful tool to elevate Kerry to the WH. Why would they have even believed McCain would consider such a thing? Answer? Because he had been useful to them before.

  62. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 17, 2020 at 11:59 am
    I generally like Romney”
    Puhhleeeze, let’s get real.

    – For the most part, I do like Romney. I don’t want to get into a long back and forth on him, but he’s got his strengths and weaknesses. Like most of those here, I could do without the preening over an inspector general or taking shots at the coronavirus testing taking place.

    Again, I’ll worry about him when he starts voting against conservative policy or judges. Most of what he’s doing now is just background noise that doesn’t have a half life of a day.

  63. Chicon says:

    60 – McCain would have voted to impeach, too.

  64. Robbie says:

    In other and more important news, Italy recorded just 675 new cases today. That’s their fewest number of new cases since March, 4! That was almost two and a half months ago. And it is my understanding that Italy has been relaxing its lockdown for almost two weeks.

    To be honest, I’m surprised the number has continued to fall as they have reopened. According to the Journal of Infectious Diseases, coronaviruses are highly seasonal and we are entering the time of year when upper respiratory illnesses fade quickly. In addition, I would argue the lockdowns actually caused the spike in cases because infected people were in close contact with others and then passed the virus around to family members. Had they been out living their lives, I’d argue the case would’ve have been no worse. A supposition I can’t prove, though.

  65. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – McCain turned down Kerry’s offer because McCain was a conservative. He turned down North Vietnam’s offer of an early release because he was a patriot. Both defined the man to me.

  66. Robbie says:

    Correction to 65

    It should read “I’m NOT surprised the number has continued to fall”.

  67. Phil says:

    I can’t say McCain would have voted to remove Trump, however, it’s entirely possible. Hard to say. You would hope he wouldn’t have but then there was his grandstanding vote that brought down the Senate Republican’s plan to sink Obamacare….after telling McConnell he wouldn’t.

    So yeah, he was absolutely capable of it.

  68. Phil says:

    McCain was indeed a conservative. He also had no problem throwing that aside on occasion when it got him air time on the MSM. That would enter into his character profile as well.

  69. PresidentPaul! says:

    McCain was a slime ball.

    Palin also because she was dumb enough to run on his ticket to help the guy.

  70. Phil says:

    I wouldn’t call McCain a slime ball at all. Just wouldn’t make the mistake of getting between him and a camera. Now Romney? That’s what a slime ball looks like.

  71. PresidentPaul! says:

    McCain was the worst. He was always secretly helping the democrats on every single bill.

    And had he won, he would have wanted WW3.

  72. VictrC says:

    Lisab. – There is a Mel’s out on Lombard as well, by where the drive in motels are that’s pretty good for breakfast. It’s been there as long as I can remember.

    TGCA. – Polk used to be VERY different when I was a kid to now. I remember the theater on Polk and Sacramento (I believe) I used to wait for the bus to school on the corner of Van Ness and Washington and play in the park up on Sacramento and Fillmore (it has this huge Eucalyptis forest that you can walk through)

    When I was in my early 20;s I used to go to some clubs there, the Hemlock lounge (where you could pick up Emo girls LOL) and then a really good club with live music up past California (I think the velvet lounge our something like that, not to be confused with the Red Velvet lounge out on Geary and Fillmore that my mom used to go to in the 70’s for good soul music and I used to go to for…good soul music).

    I miss the way the city used to be. It’s not recognizable now. We moved out after six months despite living right on the crooked street when my wife saw a woman get robbed on Polk and no one, and I mean no one, helped the poor old lady except my wife. She was so pissed and terrified (the homeless crisis was just getting to be bad) so we came back to Texas

    Oh and the sports bar is on Green and Polk and I believe its called the sporting green. We used to watch all my NY sports (Mets, Jets, Rangers) there.

  73. Phil says:

    Not a McCain fan…but come on, buno. Get a grip.

  74. Robbie says:

    Italy is good news and it can be argued they’re in the best shape of all the major European countries. That’s saying something since Italy became the poster child as the worst situation in all of Europe.

    Here in the US, I remain frustrated and, to be honest, concerned the case load has remained so stubbornly high. I recognize we’re doing a lot of testing, but I never suspected cases would stay this high for so long. I know 23,500 is a lot better than 38,000, but did anyone expects we’d still be doing this in mid-May? I didn’t

    Adjusted for population, here is what our 23,500 new cases yesterday would like for several European countries:

    Great Britain – 4,800
    France – 4,700
    Spain – 3,350
    Germany – 6,025
    Italy – 4,300

    If you track these total for the various countries I listed, you’d find they last saw numbers like this around mid-April. If we see the same kind of downward progression as Europe did, we’re about a moth behind. For me, that’s a gulp moment.

    I think the seasonality of coronaviruses will help bring down the numbers a bit more quickly, but we’ve got governors playing games with the numbers so we may never get too low. Can anyone really envision a day in the next months or two where the reported case load is just 5,000 for a day?

  75. Victrc says:

    Robbie

    The media will
    Focus on total cases because it hurts Trump politically, but because they are concerned about the number of people testing positive

    The important number is how many of the people tested are positive

    We had 23k new cases out of 750k tests. A 3% positive. That would equate to about 3,000 new cases when we were doing 100k tests a day…we were getting 30k plus positives then.

    The media won’t report that

  76. Robbie says:

    Victrc

    Where are you getting the number of tests? When I looked at the Covid19 tracking project last night, I didn’t see a number like that.

    While I completely agree we should focus on the percent positive, I think for most people in the public, the raw number matters. This is one area where the White House and Trump need to improve their messaging.

  77. Phil says:

    You want to know what else the media won’t report?

    I’ll give you a great example. Miinnesota. Yesterday. 17 deaths.

    14 in long term care facilities.

    Of the 17 deaths –

    6 were over 90

    6 were over 80

    4 were in their 70s

    1 in there 40s

    …..and the nation’s economy is shut down and millions out of work.

    You think the Minn internal numbers are going to be reported on any of the major networks? And that includes FOX BTW.

    It’s maddening.

  78. VictrC says:

    Robbie, I actually got those numbers from Phil in the previous thread. I actually stopped counting at 550,000 tests yesterday but he told us it was 750K at the end of the day (which is more than S. Korea in total I believe)

  79. jason says:

    “McCain would have voted to impeach too”

    I have new admiration for Chicon.

    He talks with the dead.

    Here at HHR, we have a wealth of talent.

  80. Tgca says:

    74 Vic

    Not sure what age range you’re in but I lived near Franklin and Clay which is like 2 blocks from Van Ness and Washington. I just turned 29 again myself. I used to take my dog to Lafayette Park up 2 blocks from Van Ness across from Danielle Steele’s mansion. It was a very nice one square block surrounded by beautiful mini mansions in PAC Heights.

    I did not particularly like the Fillmore area, especially below Geary. Too ugly and depressing when I was there.

    I used to walk around the city often, as I rarely used my car except for late night eves. I remember on nice days walking from Van Ness to the Ocean. Took like 90+ minutes as it was about 6 miles I think.

    I also used to walk the walkway at the end of Van Ness near the bay that led to Fort Mason.

  81. jason says:

    McCain had a lot of reasons to be angry with GWB.

    When GWB proposed the surge in Iraq, McCain had a great opportunity to kick him when he was down and join the MSM’s campaign against the war.

    He didn’t take it. He supported the surge, because he saw it was the right thing to do.

    So the “McCain would have voted for impeachment” is unfounded speculation.

  82. jason says:

    Russia as predicted moves into second place in cases.

    But they are still reporting a rate of 18 deaths per 1M/population which is 4 times less than Germany and 15 times less than the US.

    Again, either they have a very mild strain, they have the greatest health care system in the world, or they are lying.

  83. Tgca says:

    81

    Jadon doesn’t think McCain would have voted for impeachment is like expecting Nancy Pelosi to decline voting for a tax increase or granting illegal immigrants legal status. Certain things just don’t make sense!

    The McCain clan is now on the McCain legacy tour and backing Biden but McCain who betrayed his constituency on Obamacare would have voted against impeachment conviction. Yeah, right!

  84. Victrc says:

    McCain has positives. He voted most of the time with Conservatives, if he were still alive he’d win his seat by double digits and we wouldn’t have to worry about the seat flipping.

    With that said he was infuriating. He never missed a chance to be called a “maverick”by the media which he loved as it fed his ego even if it meant screwing over Republicans. Fortunately he didn’t do that often and voted 95% with the party, which is 95% more than a democrat would have. He almost ran on the Democratic ticket and really wanted a Democrat on his ticket.

    Both can be true

  85. Tgca says:

    83

    McCain would probably support any military aggression. He was a war-monger.

  86. Chicon says:

    83 – no, it is easy to believe McCain would’ve voted with Mitt. He hated Trump, and was blinded by the rage, as shown by his actions surrounding the Obamacare vote (such as lying to Mitch about his intentions).

  87. jason says:

    Spain 87 deaths.

    That is the lowest since March 16.

    Spain active cases April 24: 100k cases
    Spain active cases May 16: 56k cases

  88. jason says:

    no, it is easy to believe McCain would’ve voted with Mitt. He hated Trump, and was blinded by the rage, ”

    This is from someone who “hated McCain, was blinded by rage”

    The hypocrisy is astounding.

  89. jason says:

    Of course, “McCain hated Trump” always has to be said in the context of Trump’s stupid, disgusting, despicable attack on McCain’s service record with the absolutely unforgivable notion that somehow McCain’s sacrifice was diminished because he was captured.

  90. jason says:

    Of course, Chicon has no problem with that, “McCain hated Trump” just happened out of thin air.

    Still, I doubt McCain would have voted to impeach.

  91. jason says:

    t McCain who betrayed his constituency on Obamacare would have voted against impeachment conviction. Yeah, right!”

    Zzzzz….. what drivel.

    Obamacare was a policy issue. You can agree or disagree with McCain’s position. I disagreed with many of his positions, especially campaign finance. But I am not a 100% litmus tester RINO hunter.

    Impeachment was a cheap coup and charade.

    I think McCain, contrary to Romney, voted his conscience, whether you agree with it or not.

  92. jason says:

    McCain would probably support any military aggression. He was a war-monger.”

    You are just displaying your ignorance.

    “McCain opposed keeping U.S. Marines deployed in Lebanon, citing unattainable objectives, and subsequently criticized President Reagan for pulling out the troops too late”

  93. Chicon says:

    Took a few tries, but the McCain bait worked as well as ever, Ma.

  94. Tgca says:

    93

    Though I disagree with Romney’s impeachment conviction vote, I respect his extremely difficult choice to vote his conscious, as he so elegantly explained to us all. He was very brave and took a non-political stance unlike the rest of the GOP that just played pure politics on the issue and ignored the facts. I could not imagine the torment Romney experienced in making that very difficult decision.

    The MSM and Dems also selflessly put their political views aside to commend Romney for voting his conscience and bravery. Too bad the GOP could not come together and rise above politics and look at the real facts as the MSM, Dems and Romney did.

  95. Robbie says:

    As cases have begun to slowly drop over the last 10 days or so, I’ve noticed the big blue states have been slower and slower to report their case totals. For instance, no total is mentioned for NY or NJ on Worldometers so far today. Hmm. It’s almost as if some are beginning to holdback and wait and see how many they need to add to the day like vote counting in Chicago. Hold back the totals until they know how many are needed to win.

  96. Tgca says:

    94

    Translation: McCain thinks we can’t win this one and go a glory tour so let’s find another war to start we can take bragging rights to.

  97. Tgca says:

    Hola!

  98. Tgca says:

    Ciento pootahs! Ciento!

  99. Robbie says:

    I noticed Andrew Cuomo chided New Yorkers today for not getting as many coronavirus tests as he thinks they should. In other words, he’s saying, “I know more of you are sick than you want to admit, so get the test and help me make things look worse than they really are.”

  100. Phil says:

    I noticed the same thing on the holdback of reported deaths til much later in the day by all the usual suspects, Robbie.

    I was wondering if anyone but me had picked up on that.

  101. Tgca says:

    So Brennan welcomes a probe by John Durham. Sure he does. I’m sure he welcomes a bad case of herpes too. How stoopid do these folks think we is?

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/16/john_brennan_i_welcome_john_durhams_probe_i_have_nothing_to_hide.html

  102. Tina says:

    Will the presstitutes ask the venthoarder want happened to “everybody who wants a test, gets a test?”

    Venthoarder only days those with symptoms or individuals around known covid positives.

    Seems like venthoarder is not testing everybody,

    With is the blue rimmed glasses, John Karl?

  103. Tina says:

    Venthoarder sounds nervous.

    Quote Tweet

    Anne McCloy
    @AnneMcCloyNews
    · 3h
    .@NYGovCuomo says no one should be prosecuted for nursing home deaths. Governor says vulnerable people are going to die from this virus no matter what you do. @CBS6Albany

  104. Robbie says:

    NY and NJ have now posted numbers. NY checked on with 1889 new cases. The lowest number since March 21. NJ checked in with 752 new cases. The lowest number since March 25.

    The combined total, subject to change, of about 2,500 is about 10,000 cases lower than mid April when we were registering 30,000 or so cases a day.

    Since we’re still doing about 25,000 cases a day even as NY/NJ have faded, it shows how the outbreak is slowly moving westward across the country. IL and CA are now the big number producers, mostly because they want to keep alive the impression the outbreak is out of control.

  105. jason says:

    Governor says vulnerable people are going to die from this virus no matter what you do.”

    Say what?

    Since about 99.9% of “not vulnerable” people survive I thought protecting the vulnerable was th the purpose of all this.

  106. Tina says:

    How come the presstitute/hoaxers are not attacking the Co Governor?

    11:27 a.m. Colorado governor expects schools to open in fall: Colorado Gov. Jared Polis says he expects to see many K-12 public schools open this fall in his state and elsewhere despite the coronavirus threat, though “it’s not going to look like any other school year.” Polis told “Fox News Sunday” that Colorado schools will likely run in a “hybrid” fashion that limits social interactions in hallways and during lunchtime, and has up to 20% of kids continue with online classes at home if that’s their parents’ preference. The Democratic governor says schools also may close periodically when “there’s an inevitable outbreak.”

  107. jason says:

    Though I disagree with Romney’s impeachment conviction vote, I respect his extremely difficult choice to vote his conscious, as he so elegantly explained to us all. He was very brave and took a non-political stance unlike the rest of the GOP that just played pure politics on the issue and ignored the facts. I could not imagine the torment Romney experienced in making that very difficult decision.

    The MSM and Dems also selflessly put their political views aside to commend Romney for voting his conscience and bravery. Too bad the GOP could not come together and rise above politics and look at the real facts as the MSM, Dems and Romney did.”

    Tgca might be a little weak on economics, math, modeling, and cooking, but when it comes to dishing up the BS you have to take your hat off to him.

  108. Tina says:

    Musk gets formal permission from Alameda County to reopen.

    “Musk’s recent comments and threats drew mixed reactions. President Donald Trump and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Tesla should be allowed to reopen, and the mayors of Palo Alto, where Tesla has its headquarters, and Fremont, which is home to its plant and roughly 11,000 employees, offered words of support.“

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-reopens-plant-now-says-164324025.html

  109. Tina says:

    Fauci is not on tv because

    1 message is reopening economy

    2 Operation Warp Speed. Moncep Slaoui, a former chairman of vaccines at GlaxoSmithKline who will lead the multibillion-dollar program, expressed optimism that progress is being made. He is the lead on this with an army general.

    Maggie Haberman
    @maggieNYT
    · 4h
    The Sunday show roundup shows only Azar as health official sent on the shows. Fauci, who testified before the senate earlier this week and was requested by some networks, was not on, as he hasn’t been in weeks. Instead, focus from WH was on economy.

  110. Robbie says:

    It looks like Oxford University and China will be the first two to the finish line with a vaccine. Oxford believes they will have results from Phase 2 trials by June and China believes they will have Phase 2 completed by July. I would expect both will be given emergency approval if Phase 2 trials are successful.

    I don’t know how much either would effect the US, though. China will take care of its own people first. Oxford is part of a consortium for Europe and I don’t believe the US is part of it yet.

    What will be interesting, especially with China, is if the successful vaccines production procedures will be made available for any country to produce.

  111. Chicon says:

    107 – “I thought protecting the vulnerable was th the purpose of all this”

    Nope. The stated purpose was to avoid the overwhelming of the health care system.

  112. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Despite the predictions by panic mongers and leftist press that Swedish Corvid-19 deaths would rise dramatically in May, the death rate has actually fallen:

    1.) Week of April 6-12: Average Daily Death: 71
    2.) Week of April 13-19: Average Daily Deaths 92:
    3.) Week of April 20-26 Average Daily Deaths 93
    4.) Week of April 27 – May 3: Average Daily Deaths 69
    5.) Week of May 4 – May 10: Average Daily Deaths 78
    6.) Week of May 11-May 17 Average Daily Deaths 65

    Interesting to note, as of May 15th there have been a total of 3646 deaths in Sweden. Broken down by age:

    Over age 80: 2,396
    Over age 70: 3,474
    Below age 49: 60

    The majority of Swedish deaths were in nursing homes, which were actually put in lockdown early on.

  113. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    In contrast to other countries, Sweden does not have to worry about whether cases will rise again once a lockdown ends. Although the Swedish approach has been condemned, many countries in the world are now adopting it:

    “The debate over Sweden will no doubt continue. However, it’s important to remember that actions speak louder than words. So what are nations actually doing? As scholars observed in a Foreign Affairs article published Tuesday, nations around the world are quietly embracing Sweden’s strategy.
    “Whether or not they have openly embraced the Swedish approach, many other countries are now trying to emulate aspects of it. Both Denmark and Finland have reopened schools for young children,” wrote Professors Nils Karlson, Charlotta Stern, and Daniel B. Klein. “Germany is allowing small shops to reopen. Italy will soon reopen parks, and France has a plan to allow some nonessential businesses to reopen, including farmers’ markets and small museums, as well as schools and daycare centers.”
    A recent Kaiser Family Foundation report shows US states are moving in a similar direction. The vast majority of states are easing social distancing measures to various degrees (see graph below). “Non-essential” businesses are being allowed to reopen. Stay-at-home orders are being eased or rescinded. In-person dining is returning. Bans on large gatherings are being lifted.

    https://catalyst.independent.org/2020/05/15/sweden-covid-19-strategy-reopening/

  114. jason says:

    “Chicon says:
    May 17, 2020 at 2:37 pm

    Took a few tries, but the McCain bait worked as well as ever, Ma.”

    Chicon says:
    May 17, 2020 at 11:08 am

    If only it was just bait…”

    Dang, he lied. Clever devil.

  115. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    New Corvid-19 cases in Sweden have also not increased dramatically:

    1.) Week of April 6-12: Average Daily New Cases: 453
    2.) Week of April 13-19: Average Daily New Cases: 557
    3.) Week of April 20-26 Average Daily New Cases: 608
    4.) Week of April 27 – May 3 Average Daily New Cases 525
    5.) Week of May 4 – May 10: Average Daily New Cases 572
    6.) Week of May 11 – May 17: Average Daily New Cases 546

  116. jason says:

    Interesting to note, as of May 15th there have been a total of 3646 deaths in Sweden. Broken down by age:

    Over age 80: 2,396
    Over age 70: 3,474
    Below age 49: 60″

    I must say that the “mostly only old people die” argument is the least persuasive reopening out there. I don’t really believe we should sacrifice older people for the good of the economy.

    Howe

  117. jason says:

    However, I do believe that if you take reasonable protections with the elderly, certainly taking extraordinary measures to avoid nursing home deaths and other measures to protect the elderly outside of nursing homes, then you accept there may be some deaths among this group like there is with the flu, pneumonia, and other diseases. We treat the sick with all weapons available, but we don’t pretend that the goal is zero people getting sick.

  118. jason says:

    Hey Phil, here is an opportunity to make some money.

    “HOUSTON – A Southwest Houston horse training facility is offering a $2,500 reward to locate their stolen horse.

    The owners of Solstice Farms along Edwina Boulevard and South Freeway said the theft occurred on May 3. They said the thieves cut through the fencing surrounding the farm and led one of the three horses at the facility out.”

  119. Chicon says:

    116 – both were true at the time they were written. Once you accused me of baiting you, it seemed like a good idea….

    It’s always good to see an A-hole spasm.

  120. jason says:

    There is a side benefit, if you catch the horse thief and he/she/it is not a minority, go ahead and hang him/she/it.

    If you run into any trouble, just quote that CDC official that said “we have to get rid of all white people”.

  121. jason says:

    Once you accused me of baiting you, it seemed like a good idea….”

    Aw, chucks, another follower…

    I should retire.

  122. jason says:

    chucks?

    I blame the one room schoolhouse in the Andes.

  123. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    118. The death toll in nursing homes in the U.S. is also high. In both in U.S. and Sweden nursing homes were subject lockdown:

    “According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 5.1 million people live in nursing homes or residential care facilities, representing 1.6% of the U.S. population. And yet residents in such facilities account for 40 percent of all deaths from COVID-19, for states that report such statistics.”

    https://freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70

  124. jason says:

    Here we go…. closing down for 10 years.

    “PIHL cancels remainder of its season including unplayed playoff games

    UPDATE 5:01 p.m.: The Pennsylvania Interscholastic Hockey League has canceled the remainder of its 2019-29 season, including all unplayed games in the Varsity playoffs”

  125. Robbie says:

    The thing is we do sacrifice older people for the good of the economy every year with the flu. The flu kills older people every winter in fairly large numbers. The 2018 flu season was particularly bad (about 80,000 deaths I believe) and we didn’t bat an eye.

    It seems coronavirus has been an extremely effective killer in nursing homes and long-term care facilities. The same hasn’t been true for those under 65. According to former Democrat presidential candidate John Delany, the death rate for those under 65 is .006%. An amazing number, but one not repeated anywhere.

    John Delaney
    @JohnDelaney
    It is clear this virus disproportionately impacts our seniors and those with preexisting conditions. Consider the fact that 2% of people in nursing homes have died, .035% of people over 65 not in nursing homes have died and .006% of everyone else. This must inform how we reopen.

    Unfortunately, the press were able to set the terms of the debate on coronavirus. They created the impression it was a killer pathogen across all age groups and that impression will be almost impossible to change with the public. The press has their once in a lifetime story and they aren’t going to give it up without extracting maximum pain.

  126. jason says:

    Wolf hardest hit…

    “Pennsylvania reported 623 new cases of COVID-19 on Sunday, one of the lowest figures seen in over a month.

    While there is sometimes a reporting lag on weekends, the decline in new cases is consistent with overall trends.

    The daily new-case count has now stayed below 1,000 for seven days in a row, the first time since April 1. The seven-day rolling average of new cases also dropped below 1,000 this week for the first time since April 3.

    There were 15 new deaths reported statewide Sunday as the death toll is now 4,418 people. All of the deaths have been adults and more than two-thirds have been nursing home residents”

    PA has 12 million people. Outside of nursing homes, there have been about 1400 deaths.

  127. Phil says:

    Look for Wolfe to come back strong tomorrow.

  128. jason says:

    At least CO owns up. Hello NY, PA, IL, MI, NJ?

    “Colorado health officials this week implemented a more precise coronavirus data metric to measure deaths from the virus in that state, one that sent confirmed COVID-19 fatalities tumbling by a full 25%.

    Public health officials in the state elected to start distinguishing between individuals who died directly from the disease and those who simply died with the virus in their systems. Authorities in that state had faced criticism this week for classifying as a COVID-19 death a man whose blood-alcohol content registered an astronomical .55.

    With the new system in place, confirmed coronavirus deaths in Colorado plummeted from 1150 to 878, a drop of almost 25%.”

  129. jason says:

    Look for Wolfe to come back strong tomorrow.”

    The problem is the number of cases no longer allow for the high death rates.

    New York is claiming an extraordinarily high mortality rate of 8% vs. 2.7% for Texas.

  130. Country Dick Montana says:

    With the new system in place, confirmed coronavirus deaths in Colorado plummeted from 1150 to 878, a drop of almost 25%.”

    Wonder if worldometers will adjust the Colorado numbers. It appears that they have not yet done that.

  131. Phil says:

    The problem is that the number of cases no longer allow for high death rates.

    Well, Jason, no not if you were dealing with real death numbers. The case numbers, however, won’t make any difference if you are creating a large number of reported deaths out of thin air – which is what blue states have been doing all along. The mortality rate will just have to go up in Pennsylvania. Surely you don’t think Wolf is going to ease up on those Bottom line daily death numbers do you? Decreasing case load or not.

    If you want to see what is REALLY going on with the Virus trend, watch the daily numbers outside of the blue state numbers from NY, Pa, Illinois, NJ etc. Those blue state numbers aren’t going to be reclining. The blue state governors are going to see to that.

  132. Robbie says:

    In America, 2,800,000 people die every year. That’s about 7,800 deaths a day. If Wolfe, Newsom, Pritzker, or Cuomo need to find a reservoir of deaths, they can. Anything can be labeled just about anything right now and not get a second look.

  133. John says:

    Former President Obama’s recent remarks….(just my take)…was cheap political shot….a very cheap political shot at a sitting president that now has to deal with 90,000+ deaths from this virsus as well as approx. 40 nmillion that lost their jobs.
    Somehow and some way previous President Obama just lost a couple of inches in his height with regard to his legacy.

  134. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    There are two wild card factors which bring into question the present predictions and models about the Corvid-19 virus:

    1. It is not completely know yet how the virus is transmitted — is the virus airborne? There are studies that claim it is. How long can it survive on solid surfaces? How does this impact the effectiveness of social distancing? Is the virus going to run its course regardless?

    2. A British research, Nic Lewis, has provided an interesting theory based on inhomogenity. No two immune systems are alike. It is possible a percentage of the population cannot be infected with Corvid-19 because of genetic factors. This may explain, for example, way only 20% of the passengers on a Diamond Princess ship were infected despite prolonged exposure. It also throws a monkey wrench into predictions of what percentage of the population needs to be infected to achieve herd immunity.

    As Lewis has pointed out: “the lockdown is merely a holding strategy, which offers no long term solution to the COVID-19 problem.” “Deaths are merely spread over a longer period of time.”

  135. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    May 17, 2020 at 6:12 pm
    2. A British research, Nic Lewis, has provided an interesting theory based on inhomogenity. No two immune systems are alike. It is possible a percentage of the population cannot be infected with Corvid-19 because of genetic factors. This may explain, for example, way only 20% of the passengers on a Diamond Princess ship were infected despite prolonged exposure. It also throws a monkey wrench into predictions of what percentage of the population needs to be infected to achieve herd immunity.
    As Lewis has pointed out: “the lockdown is merely a holding strategy, which offers no long term solution to the COVID-19 problem.” “Deaths are merely spread over a longer period of time.”

    – I’m not going to put money on it, but I wouldn’t be shocked if SARS-COV-2 simply disappears just as SARS-COV-1, it’s cousin, did in 2003. I also suspect it will mutate into a less virulent form as is often the case with viruses.

  136. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    140. We agree again.

  137. jason says:

    Well, Jason, no not if you were dealing with real death numbers. The case numbers, however, won’t make any difference if you are creating a large number of reported deaths out of thin air”

    Well, it has to correlate somewhat with the case numbers otherwise you have to admit you are incompetent, or your state health system is.

    If NY wants to keep reporting 250 deaths a day, they can’t do it on 1800 cases.

  138. jason says:

    I am surprised a study has not been done along those lines yet.

    In other words, take 200 young healthy volunteers, say between 21 and 24 years old, where it is highly unlikely any will die of the disease.

    Expose all of them to the virus and see how many don’t test positive no matter what the degree of exposure.

    That might tell you what percentage of the population is immune.

    Of course, there might be ethnic variations so the study would have to be refined, but it would be a start.

  139. Phil says:

    Ah, but they can, Jason.

    Statistically, you are 100% correct. The correlation of cases to dead won’t hold water…..but who exactly in the MSM is going to point that out. It will be crickets as usual.

    Is the MSM going to report that the lower case numbers don’t correlate with 250 reported dead every day? Of course not….so the blue state governors and their bureaucracies don’t have to admit anything.

    Come on. You know how this works.

  140. wvally says:

    jason & Phil I missed it what was the outcome of your bet?

  141. Robbie says:

    The big blue states have really brought the heat today. NY, NJ, IL, MA, and CA all with cases above the 1000 mark today with a total so far of 7294.

    Those 5 states account for about 40% of all cases today.

  142. Paul says:

    136: Robbie said: “In America, 2,800,000 people die every year. That’s about 7,800 deaths a day.”

    It should be easy to get the overall number of deaths COVID and not COVID. It would be interesting to see if things are out of whack.

  143. wvally says:

    Gen Flynn’s brother Jack auditioning to be an A-hole?

    You want to talk about smear campaigns and about conspiracy theories Jake? Think back to all the crap you and the liars club @CNN SAID ABOUT @GenFlynn! It was all pure bull sh*t. You can shove that smear campaign right up your *ss. GFY.

    https://twitter.com/gojackflynn/status/1262092346424012800?s=21

  144. Paul says:

    148: Nevermind, it isn’t so easy.

  145. Tina says:

    Oh wow, he used the word “GFY“

    Only Philly Aholes use that word here.

  146. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Several hundred attended a rally in San Diego to support ending the lockdown, including several Republican politicans:

    “Those present at the rally included former San Diego Mayor Roger Hedgecock and County Supervisor Jim Desmond. Also present was Oceanside City Councilmember Christopher Rodriguez, who has publicly clashed with other local leaders over the issue of reopening.
    Some attendees voiced support for local officials, instead saying it’s state lawmakers with whom they disagree.
    “San Diego should start having their own autonomy to decide their own fate,” Halligan said. “Why is someone in Sacramento telling us how San Diego should be run? They’ve asked for autonomy, Gov. Newsom has not given it to them.””

  147. Tina says:

    Fake Flapper:

    2.9K
    6.1K
    23.6K

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    31m
    They, and the Lamestream Media (including Jake), have spent 3 1/2 years illegally smearing me. They got caught!
    Quote Tweet

    Arthur Schwartz
    @ArthurSchwartz
    · 5h
    CNN‘s Fake @JakeTapper Blasted for Hypocrisy After Accusing Trump of ‘Smear Campaign‘ Against Rivals https://breitbart.com/the-media/2020/05/17/cnn-jake-tapper-blasted-for-hypocrisy-after-accusing-trump-of-smear-campaign-against-rivals/

  148. Paul says:

    Trump should be removed for this crap.

  149. Tina says:

    I think judge Obama Sullivan screwed up the flynn case back in 2019 when he said:

    Quote Tweet

    James A. Gagliano
    @JamesAGagliano
    · 6h
    Shockingly cavalier take by Judge Sullivan to defense counsel @SidneyPowell1 on 9/10/19 re: FBI’s *lost* original Flynn interview 302:

    “[T]hings happen and documents are lost. I mean, it just happens.”

    Excused *misplacement* of seminal interview document? Thinking face

    h/t: @HansMahncke

  150. Tina says:

    422000 tests?

    Todd Lowdon
    @tlowdon
    ·
    2h
    A record 422K reported daily US #COVID19 tests yielded only 21K new cases. Positivity of 5.0% for the day pulls the 7-day avg down to a new low of 6.2%. Tests & cases on the left, cases (i.e., positives) only on the right.

  151. Phil says:

    wvally, the bet was a push. We ended up with a number in the middle. Given that I had all kinds of help with juiced numbers provided by blue states, Jason actually was at a huge disadvantage, and with a level playing field probably would have prevailed.

    He gets tacos and beer on me if he gets down my way. Hopefully he will give me a good word on my membership effort….although I am finding it is a very long wait to get a hearing before the A-Hole membership committee. I remain hopeful.

  152. Tina says:

    11.5 million total tests done.

    I thought it was almost 10 million, just a couple of days ago.

  153. Phil says:

    Trump should be removed for WHAT crap exactly.

  154. Tina says:

    Where are the presstitutes?

    Daily Caller
    @DailyCaller
    · 3h
    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo:

    “Older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do”

  155. Phil says:

    There have been a boatload of tests over the last four days. I don’t know if they’ve been hugely ramped up over the last week or if they just got around to dumping over half a million extra cases that were processed in the past. If it’s the latter it would be the first time that has happened so my guess is that they are just testing more.

    That’s certainly the case here in Texas. I know we’ve doubled our number of tests here in Texas over the last ten days. That’s a fact.

  156. Big E says:

    Phil,

    The ramp up is due all of the elective procedures. Getting Covid tested is now part of the preop process. The lines I have witnessed are 20 times longer since the state reopened.

  157. Tina says:

    All of cnns fake news stories were by Fake Flapper.

    Cernovich
    @Cernovich
    · 8h
    CNN has blown stories big and small. Some were outright hoaxed, some required them to write a settlement check, and all of these hoaxed involved Jake Tapper.

    1. Tapper got a BLOCKBUSTER story completely wrong.

    https://washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/06/08/cnn-succumbs-to-its-own-comey-hype/

  158. Tina says:

    Should be higher

    Benny
    ?
    @bennyjohnson
    Americans Are Giving Made-in-China the Cold Shoulder

    New poll shows 40% won’t buy Made-in-China products https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-17/what-do-americans-think-of-made-in-china-polling-latest

  159. Phil says:

    163

    Yeah, that could certainly be a big part of it. Makes sense.

  160. jason says:

    90% don’t know what is made in China, especially since millions of components are made there that go into other products.

  161. VictrC says:

    Phil, in the last three weeks we’ve gone from 7,000 tests a day in Texas to an average of 35,000 a day this week.

    Cases only raised minimally.

  162. jason says:

    Anyone else irritated by the amount of businesses with the Stockholm Syndrome that have TV ads “Stay safe, stay home”?

  163. Big E says:

    The stay safe ads are driving me crazy. I think the vast majority Americans are ready to deal with COVID as an inconvenience and move on. The more government et al pushes the narrative the more it will fall on deaf ears.

  164. jason says:

    IHME Model
    Projected Actual
    May 1 2343 1897 – 446
    May 2 2276 1691 – 585
    May 3 2265 1153 -1112
    May 4 2205 1324 – 881
    May 5 2180 2350 + 170
    May 6 2143 2528 + 385
    May 7 2097 2129 + 32
    May 8 2039 1687 – 352
    May 9 1971 1422 – 549
    May10 1921 750 – 1171
    May11 1898 1008 – 890
    May12 1803 1630 – 173
    May13 1774 1772 – 2
    May14 1740 1715 – 35
    May15 1703 1595 – 108
    May16 1662 1218 – 444
    May17 1615 865 – 750

    May 17 cases 19981
    May 17 deaths 865

    May 10 cases: 20239
    May 10 deaths: 750

  165. Chicon says:

    As has been the case throughout this whole ordeal, the IHME model is garbage.

  166. jason says:

    The more government et al pushes the narrative the more it will fall on deaf ears.”

    But its not only the government.

    Why is Penzoil doing stay safe, stay home ads?

    Stockholm Syndrome.

  167. Phil says:

    168

    Yeah, that is what pisses me off, VictrC. The headlines attributing increased cases in Texas to Abbott’s openings. So misleading. Thing is the only significant increase has been at the Tyson meat plant in Amarillo. No significant pickup in cases in the other 253 Texas counties.

    I’m so sick of fake news.

  168. jason says:

    As has been the case throughout this whole ordeal, the IHME model is garbage”

    Don’t really agree, best model I have seen so far and some of the state data is tracking well.

    Curious to see if they lower the total death projection considering they we about 7500 deaths under their curve since May 1.

    The New York curve seems fairly accurate.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york

  169. Phil says:

    Also sick of the stay at home stay safe commercials.

    Stockholm Syndrome?

    Yeah, pretty much.

  170. Big E says:

    The story that is being missed is that because the states have the capacity in terms of testing kits is allowing the states to open up. It will help fuel the recovery.

  171. wvally says:

    Helpful guidelines for ball handling while playing tennis in the time of COVID

    https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1262128643037433856?s=21

  172. jason says:

    Andrew Cuomo Explains Placing Wuhan Patients in Nursing Home Deaths by Saying ‘Old People Die, That Is Going to Happen’”

    If Trump said this he would be skewered.

  173. jason says:

    Stockholm Syndrome?

    Yeah, pretty much.”

    Or a company that makes motor oil wouldn’t be telling people to stay home.

  174. Tina says:

    Gosh, the trump meme is at over 16 million views.

    This is the one that Flapper is melting down about.

    CNN is in full meltdown.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1262120568255655938

  175. Tina says:

    Have to say that Trump has been on fire on twitter this weekend

    This may be his best weekend tweeting ever.

  176. Phil says:

    Things should open up with the reintroduction of sports. By midway through July we will have golf and baseball.

    The NBA? Most couldn’t give a rat’s ass.

    Football is the biggie. Of course, it won’t be happening in California – pros or Pac 12 USC, UCLA, Stanford etc because of Newsome.

    No big loss to college football there and everyone realizes it. The big boys throughout the country will play without them.

  177. Tina says:

    Regarding trump and the virus.

    I think he acted as quick as possible.

    CDC was a disaster with the testing capacity.

    He was smart to privatize the testing and ventitaltor production.

    The ventilators number 100,000 in 100 days.

    Testing is through the roof.

    There is a Manhattan type project with the vaccine. A really smart doctor and an army general, who is also smart. Is in charge of logistics.

    I trust trump to try to get the economy back compared to the basement dweller, who apparently has dementia.

  178. Tina says:

    Nasacar and golf today is helping, Phil.

    Also, look at the number of people on the beach in VA.

  179. Phil says:

    Bama is already on the verge of replacing their September game with USC in Arlington, Texas with TCU. The way USC has been the last decade I’d regard that as an upgrade.

  180. Tina says:

    These are hard hitting ads against China Biden,

    https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1262029734742904832I

  181. Phil says:

    Tiger, Phil, Manning and Brady tee it up next weekend. That should be good for morale of sports fans. It’s a first step anyway.

  182. jason says:

    LOL

    “BEIJING—In a candid speech Tuesday, President Xi Jinping stated he was “pretty impressed” by Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak, specifically praising her totalitarian policies.

    China’s dictator said he was actually a little jealous he hadn’t thought of some of her ideas himself.

    “She has some pretty great ideas — stopping people from gathering together even with their families, ordering people not to buy seeds — they can’t even plant their own food now! We hadn’t even thought of some of these innovative approaches,” the Communist president said. “We’re always looking for more ways to oppress people, and we were really inspired by Whitmer’s approach.”

  183. Paul says:

    865 deaths is getting back to numbers we had in March. Looks like things have turned a corner. Time to open the doors open and crank it up.

  184. jason says:

    Paul is going to be expelled from the Central Kommittee.

  185. wvally says:

    UK perspective in the Spectator

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/this-is-not-a-natural-disaster-but-a-manmade-one

    I am steeped in dread. I foresee months, if not years, of inane gesturing towards ‘safety’ that makes no appreciable difference to the nation’s health, but does manage to 1) ruin everyone’s enjoyment; 2) perpetuate the socially poisonous notion that one’s neighbour is a threat to one’s very life; 3) maintain an atmosphere of the extraordinary, in which the state may violate civil rights at will; 4) lay waste to what little might otherwise have remained of this country’s economy. The lockdown has been bad enough. Post-lockdown could be worse.

  186. Phil says:

    194

    Yes, that’s a very sad commentary. Really sad.

  187. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    194. Unfortuntely, I agree with some of the feelings expressed in #194; and also agree with James Wood that it is Trump who protects us from that cesspool.

    @RealJamesWoods
    Let’s face it. Donald Trump is a rough individual. He is vain, insensitive and raw. But he loves America more than any President in my lifetime. He is the last firewall between us and this cesspool called Washington. I’ll take him any day over any of these bums

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  189. VicrrC says:

    So I just happened to open up one of my other computers and it was on the May 13 Covid update. I looked at testing numbers and we were at 9,935,720. Today we are at 11,875,588.

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  192. jason says:

    Maybe Trump should run on “I will bring back the life you had” and “vote for Biden and you will condemn yourself to the “new normal””.

    I know, the message needs to be refined, but that would be the gist of it.

  193. Pitchaboy says:

    Moderna vaccine has excellent initial results.

  194. jason says:

    So I just happened to open up one of my other computers”

    Vic admits he has more than one computer?

    Big mistake.

    I am sure Roadkill Maggot jotted it down for redistribution once the Marxist get it into power.

  195. jason says:

    Moderna vaccine has excellent initial results.”

    When you get some free samples don’t forget your friends here.

  196. jason says:

    Btw, I was lying when I said I had more than one llama.

  197. Chicon says:

    212 – no llama on the side?

  198. Phil says:

    Democrats worry that a vaccine could be approved in September. It would save lives, but who cares about that. It might result in the beginning of a V shaped recovery and we wouldn’t want that now, would we. Might reelect Trump and after all, taking him out in November is what counts. Right, Dems? Better to let old people continue to die.

  199. Scooterboy says:

    According to Zogby, Biden is struggling with key voting groups in New York. Could spell trouble elsewhere.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-biden-struggling-in-new-york-with-whites-youth-suburbanites

  200. DW says:

    Many young people like transparency and hate the hypocrisy of phoniness. If they believe the real Biden is hiding behind a filter, they will vote for Trump, who has no filter.

  201. Pitchaboy says:

    The mRNA technology for this vaccine originated in Tina’s favorite doctor, Fauci’s lab.

  202. jason says:

    The OMV, NASA, casinos & more — Here’s what’s reopening in La. today”

    Lucky bastards.

    I miss PennDot, which is what we call the “OMV” here.

  203. jason says:

    Young people need to be aware what kind of life they can expect under Biden in the next couple years.

    Of course, if the Dems got elected, they would move to reopen too, once it was no longer politically expedient.

  204. Phil says:

    Move to reopen too? What and give up that control over people’s lives?

    Also, reopening signals the crisis is over and they need the continuation of the crisis to give them cover to “fundamentally change America”.

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

  205. jason says:

    Overnight, they would decide that “all prerequisites have been met due to our fabulous and efficient containment measures”.

  206. jason says:

    Move to reopen too? What and give up that control over people’s lives?”

    Phil, if the Dems get elected they will have gained control of everyone’s lives.

  207. jason says:

    When I say reopen it will be on their terms.

    Higher taxes, more regulations, more government.

  208. jason says:

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

    “State Dept. inspector general who was removed from his job Friday was looking into whether Sec. Pompeo made a staffer walk his dog, pick up his dry cleaning and make dinner reservations for Pompeo and his wife, per 2 congressional officials”

  209. jason says:

    Schiff to conduct hearings in 3, 2, 1…..

  210. jason says:

    The mRNA technology for this vaccine originated in Tina’s favorite doctor, Fauci’s lab”

    NYC to accuse Fauci of creating the virus so he could then cure it in 3, 2, 1…..

  211. Phil says:

    All good points, Jason. Opening on their terms is exactly right….and we all know what that means.

  212. Robbie says:

    Pitchaboy says:
    May 18, 2020 at 9:03 am
    Moderna vaccine has excellent initial results.

    – I was hoping you’d have a comment. It’s my understanding all 45 people who received the vaccine produced antibodies they hoped to see and the larger the dose the more the antibodies.

    Do you think they’ll try and find a way to get this just one shot? And do you think the news should cause the government to go ahead and begin mass production, or wait a bit longer?

    Given the way the government spends money, I say start now, but I’m not impartial about this and it’s not my money.

  213. Robbie says:

    jason says:
    May 18, 2020 at 9:01 am
    Maybe Trump should run on “I will bring back the life you had” and “vote for Biden and you will condemn yourself to the “new normal””.
    I know, the message needs to be refined, but that would be the gist of it.

    – Considering the man who is Biden’s chief advisor on coronavirus is Zeke Emmanuel and he said Americans should be locked down for 12-18 months, I think it’s a good message. Speaking every day about how certain governors are stealing our rights and civil liberties should be a constant in Trump’s messaging.

  214. pitchaboy says:

    Believe the intermediate dose gave strong responses after one dose. They will perhaps use this dose for next phase trials and also look for bad side effects. If that pans out, a large phase III starts in early fall while manufacturing ramps up.

  215. Tina says:

    Market is up over 700 points as news broke of that vaccine’s phase 1.

    Also, federal reserve chairman (who usually helps tank markets when speaking) said a recovery by 3rd quarter.

  216. Tina says:

    The presstitutes will blame him. Too much testing available, and no takers.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1h
    Wow! The Front Page
    @washingtonpost
    Headline reads, “A BOOST IN TESTS, BUT LACK OF TAKERS.” We have done a great job on Ventilators, Testing, and everything else. Were left little by Obama. Over 11 million tests, and going up fast. More than all countries in the world, combined.

  217. pitchaboy says:

    The technology used is called mRNA vaccine. Flu shot uses a combination of flu antigens to stimulate our immune system. This vaccine delivers messenger RNA which then directs our cells to make the protein antigen and which in turn stimulates the immune system. The mRNA construct was developed in Fauci’s lab based on the viral genome that was published in January. If the vaccine works, Fauci is the man.

  218. Robbie says:

    Phil says:
    May 18, 2020 at 9:15 am
    Democrats worry that a vaccine could be approved in September. It would save lives, but who cares about that. It might result in the beginning of a V shaped recovery and we wouldn’t want that now, would we. Might reelect Trump and after all, taking him out in November is what counts. Right, Dems? Better to let old people continue to die.

    – I think the most underdiscussed topic right now is how a positive vaccine announcement in the Labor Day timeframe could scramble the race to Trump’s benefit. I’m not sure it’s on enough people’s radars. I think it could be the greatest “relief rally” we’ve seen in the last 20 years of polling. It wouldn’t match GWB’s polling bump after 9/11, but I think it would be bigger than Obama’s bump after UBL was killed. The images of people getting shots in October would be almost impossible for Biden to counter and it would improve the psyche of the American people in ways we can’t comprehend.

  219. Tina says:

    NAHB Home Builder survey also bounced back strongly.

    Consumer confidence is still well above what it was in 2008. (80+ vs 30+).

  220. Robbie says:

    pitchaboy says:
    May 18, 2020 at 10:43 am
    Believe the intermediate dose gave strong responses after one dose. They will perhaps use this dose for next phase trials and also look for bad side effects. If that pans out, a large phase III starts in early fall while manufacturing ramps up.

    – It could have been a misunderstanding, but on CNBC this morning they said Moderna expects to begin Phase III in July.

  221. Tina says:

    Jason if Fauci delivers, great. After blowing call after call after call, he finally got us to kick the winning field goal.

    If they do right, after making costly error after error, I will credit him as well as trump for starring vaccine in January.

    I honestly did not know that it started up in January until Thursday presser (beat the press).

  222. Tina says:

    Paging Bubu.

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  223. Tina says:

    Duh, how long did it take Wrong Wray to figure this one out.

    Yet, they have no problems spying on presidential candidates?

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  224. Pitchaboy says:

    Phase III July is great.
    With all due respect, vaccine is not a field goal. It is the coup.

  225. Tina says:

    Oh, I agree with that.

    But, it’s Fauci who seemed to have us trailing or in a behind position for a long time.

  226. Chicon says:

    236 – good post. I also think Trump successfully put the responsibility of re-opening on the governors (after goading them into demanding it). All the heat about the continued lockdowns is on the state and local officials. Smart play by him, imo.

  227. Robbie says:

    I just read Moderna’s press release. It does say Phase III begins in July. If the goal is to see results at two and four weeks, then it is possible we know what the vaccine has accomplished in wide scale trial by Labor Day.

    Fair, Pitch?

  228. janz says:

    Various trials and anecdotal uses of HCQ have been done here and in other countries, with very good outcomes in bringing virus symptoms to a quick close and saving lives. The key to all these trials has been using zinc as an accompanying component in treating COVID patients.

    The NIAID, a subset institute of NIH, is citing studies dealing with the efficacy of HCQ. The only problem is they are not using zinc in their treatment cocktail, which will guarantee less favorable results. This is particularly nonsensical as COVID is found more frequently in blacks, the elderly, and those with diabetes, cancer and low hemoglobin levels – all groupings known to already have zinc deficiencies. Such studies will only provide fodder to disparage the use of HCQ – something noted by it’s declining use in hospitals. As we all know the head of NID is Dr. Fauci. Why would he back such a biased, flawed study unless he wanted to advocate for a far more expensive drug, like remdesivir, which he may very well have a financial stake in?

  229. Tina says:

    Key with the anti malaria and z pack is early on. Prior, to any hospitalization,

    With that said, seems like Trump is pushing now Remdesivir.

  230. Pitchaboy says:

    Fair point. Fingers crossed.

  231. Tina says:

    Will Jon Karl do anything about this?

    @NolteNC
    ·
    4m
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    https://breitbart.com/the-media/2020/05/18/cnns-typhoid-kaitlan-collins-caught-removing-mask-white-house-briefing/… via
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  232. Phil says:

    If this vaccine pans out it will be a more impressive accomplishment than the moon program. I say that not just because of the positive results but because of the time it was actually achieved in and the fact that it was done in such a pressure situation. From everything I had read it was considered an impossibility to have anything even remotely ready until the second half of 2021.

    As pitch said, fingers crossed. I like hope. Democrats hate it.

  233. NYCmike says:

    “The mRNA technology for this vaccine originated in Tina’s favorite doctor, Fauci’s lab.”

    -GREAT!

    NOW, maybe Fauci’s lab could try to use zinc with hydroxychloroquine and zpack, just like several doctors, who haven’t been elevated to HERO STATUS yet, have stated for the past 6+ weeks.

    Odd isn’t it……how the person who has been paid by taxpayer $$ the last 40-50 years is inclined to try and find a new vaccine, which he will benefit from financially, as opposed to using a method which could be affordable for most people with a slight adjustment in their budget.

  234. jason says:

    Looks like Belgium, once the bad boy of Europe on COVID-19, has really turned things around.

    Of course 9000 deaths there would be like 260k deaths here.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/

  235. NYCmike says:

    Anyway, I hope the Fauci lab is successful, as the credit for that will be broadcast nationwide by President Trump, who will also take credit for it……I look forward to Robbie having to make a decision to stay home and not vote for the guy who SAVED AMERICA!

  236. jason says:

    “NOW, maybe Fauci’s lab could try to use zinc with hydroxychloroquine and zpack, just like several doctors, who haven’t been elevated to HERO STATUS yet, have stated for the past 6+ weeks.

    Odd isn’t it……how the person who has been paid by taxpayer $$ the last 40-50 years is inclined to try and find a new vaccine, which he will benefit from financially, as opposed to using a method which could be affordable for most people with a slight adjustment in their budget.”

    So many lies and falsehoods in this garbage post I wouldn’t even know where to start.

  237. jason says:

    But I am prescient.

    I said weeks ago that if Fauci found the cure for COVID-19 the idiots and haters would be here to find some kind of fault with it.

  238. NYCmike says:

    “So many lies and falsehoods in this garbage post I wouldn’t even know where to start.”

    -It’s a 2 line comment…..edumacate me, llama-lover!

  239. Pitchaboy says:

    Disappointed to see NYC post. It is a fair point to criticize some of the bad moves of Fauci in this pandemic. But to say he is holding up treatment to promote his financial well being is simply unfair. If I began to explain here the thinking and technology involved in mRNA constructs, it will boggle your mind. Enough said.

  240. Tina says:

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    @JRubinBlogger
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  241. NYCmike says:

    Fauci isn’t paid with taxpayer $$?

    Is Fauci’s lab using zinc with the hydroxy when conducting trials?

    Have you elevated Dr Zelenko, the guy in Texas and the doctor here in Jersey who used the hydroxy/zinc/zpack method to HERO STATUS yet?

    Has Fauci received $$ from patents for vaccines?

  242. NYCmike says:

    Pitchaboy,

    I don’t see where I said Fauci held up anything. He chose to go a different route, I guess.

    I am responding to what was said in comment #247. The use of zinc has been widely circulated, yet Fauci lab didn’t use it. WHY is that?

  243. NYCmike says:

    Pitchaboy,

    I will also say this: on the radio this morning, the host played 3 interviews of Fauci over the past several months. In each interview, he changed what would happen, or what needed to happen. With that sort of consistency, I am inclined to look elsewhere to find out credible information.

    In regard to a vaccine, maybe Fauci should have stayed IN THE LAB the last 4 months, with the rest of his lab partners……then it would just about be a guarantee, if jason’s opinion of him is correct.

  244. NYCmike says:

    Either way, as an individual who would probably decline the Wuhan vaccine if able to do so, at least for the initial trials, just like I decline to receive the flu vaccine every year, I never thought a vaccine was guaranteed.

    And I hope Trump doesn’t make the nation think we NEED a vaccine to go on living normal lives.

  245. mnw says:

    233 Tina

    I think the market movement today, started by Moderna, shows how much money is on the sidelines, & what the market is likely to do as things improve.

    I think we’ll have a “V-shaped” market recovery, contra almost everybody.

  246. Tina says:

    Mnw hope it’s true.

    I know talking to several realtors, the Re market, while under restrictions, is still doing well.

    They don’t compare it to 2008-2011.

  247. jason says:

    Disappointed to see NYC post. It is a fair point to criticize some of the bad moves of Fauci in this pandemic. But to say he is holding up treatment to promote his financial well being is simply unfair. ”

    It is more than unfair, it is just disgusting and despicable character assassination based on cheap partisan politics.

  248. jason says:

    There is not ONE drop of evidence that anything Fauci is doing or has done is to line his pockets.

    None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

    When you have nothing else to argue, when you have no point, then you down to the sewer and start throwing around baseless insults.

  249. jason says:

    Either way, as an individual who would probably decline the Wuhan vaccine if able to do so”

    Darwinism at its best.

    But I believe in natural selection myself.

  250. NYCmike says:

    “It is more than unfair, it is just disgusting and despicable character assassination based on cheap partisan politics.”

    -What “partisan politics” are you speaking about?

    I haven’t mentioned his political affiliations whatsoever.

    I have listened to Fauci speak, and his message is anything but consistent.

    AND, I see you haven’t disputed anything from comment #260, which makes me think my answers will be the same as yours.

  251. NYCmike says:

    “There is not ONE drop of evidence that anything Fauci is doing or has done is to line his pockets.”

    -I thought the idea that Fauci received $$ for vaccine patents, which he then donated to charities, has been accepted as True.

    If not, I will gladly retract my statement.

  252. NYCmike says:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/05/dr_fauci_and_the_tuskegee_syphilis_study_victims.html

    -And then, there was this.

    Pitchaboy, jason, why is Fauci going a different route? And why is he so publicly vocal about the failures, when NOT using zinc?

  253. NYCmike says:

    I wonder if janz read that same piece….

  254. Robbie says:

    Just 451 new cases of coronavirus in Italy since yesterday. That’s the lowest since March 3. This suggests two things to me.

    1. Virus outbreaks run their course, absent an effective treatment or vaccine, regardless if what we do.

    2. There’s a seasonality component to this version of coronavirus as there is with the other coronaviruses that cause colds. That may explain why the Southern European nations have improved more quickly than the northern nations like Germany and France.

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  256. Pitchaboy says:

    NYC: All your questions on HCQ/Zn/Azithro will be answered when RCTs are completed.

  257. Scooterboy says:

    Dow up almost 900 points. I vaguely remember someone here predicting we’d see 16,000.

  258. Loud Obama Con says:

    @278 Wake me up at Dow 500

    #BLUE WAVE COMIN’

  259. jason says:

    NYC: All your questions on HCQ/Zn/Azithro will be answered when RCTs are completed.”

    Pitch, he has a hard time understanding that clinical trials are required, and only then will we know exactly how effective this is.

  260. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The leftist press is so threatened by Sweden’s failure to enact a total lockdown; they constantly predict doom.

    Today Sweden had its lowest recorded new cases and deaths on a Monday in the months of April and May. The predicted May apocalypse in Sweden has not happend.

    234 new cases
    19 deaths

  261. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot was going to nibble around 18000.

    Poor bastard has probably starved to death.

  262. jason says:

    234 new cases
    19 deaths”

    You have to multiply by about 33 to get a US equivalency, but even then you are talking 7700 cases and 620 deaths.

  263. NYCmike says:

    https://www.michellesteelca.com/2020/05/steel-ab5-enforcement-dollars-could-be-used-for-recovery/

    -Looks like the CA Republican Party is recruiting smarter candidates.

  264. Robbie says:

    SanDiegoCitizen says:
    May 18, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    The leftist press is so threatened by Sweden’s failure to enact a total lockdown; they constantly predict doom.
    Today Sweden had its lowest recorded new cases and deaths on a Monday in the months of April and May. The predicted May apocalypse in Sweden has not happend.
    234 new cases
    19 deaths

    – What Sweden understood that we here in the US and many other places didn’t (I include myself in that group) is, absent a treatment or vaccine, there’s nothing we can do to prevent a virus from running its course. It will do whatever it wants. We can try to protect the most at-risk groups, but that’s about it.

    Now, Sweden is probably close to achieving some form of herd immunity and the major countries of the world are emerging from soul crushing lockdowns with loads of problems and plenty of people who can still be infected.

    We were tricked by the Chinese into believing their shutdown was effective when it clearly wasn’t. We’ve ruined millions and millions of lives without much to show for it and now we’re headed exactly to the spot where Sweden has always been.

  265. Tina says:

    Huge news here

    Jack Posobiec
    @JackPosobiec
    · 2h
    BREAKING: New DNI instruction removes FBI from cordeword SIGINT briefings and products that contain sources/methods. They have been ordered to return to core LE/CT work

  266. Janz says:

    #272. I read that article. My opinions about people evolve with additional info that comes onto the public discourse about them.

    Regarding Fauci, I initially saw him as the “expert” he was purported to be. But, after researching the errors made in his HIV predictions, my opinion of him started to wane. This only increased as his predictions about COVID became subject to more misspeaks, implementing hyped models, giving advice to Trump lacking balance in the measures supported by him. I also felt he gravitated to the microphone too often, liking the media buzz around him too much. Finally, his cold water comments on HCQ seem odd to me, in lieu of having so few remedies at hand showIng any signs of helping people in the throws of COVID distress.

  267. NYCmike says:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronarivus-relief-state-aid-andrew-cuomo-rick-scott-spar/

    -Between Desantis and Scott, Florida is producing some of the wisest politicians currently in office.

  268. NYCmike says:

    “My opinions about people evolve with additional info that comes onto the public discourse about them.”

    -Quite RADICAL!

  269. Tina says:

    Police stand down in NJ as gym reopens

    This is having throughout the US. The fascists are losing their power or will be sued and impeached.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1262446622069469194

  270. janz says:

    Sweden has borne the brunt of criticism and mockery from anyone or everyone who doesn’t feel comfortable with a country going against the grain of consensus opinion or advice. The masses simply don’t like independent critical thinkers, those who might prove the experts and their followers wrong and fools for being so complicit in not questioning their nonsense.

  271. lisab says:

    romney calls for coronavirus special prosecutor to investigate trump admistration response

  272. janz says:

    NYC, I have always been one to question what doesn’t make sense to me.

  273. NYCmike says:

    “romney calls for coronavirus special prosecutor to investigate trump admistration response”

    -Are you kidding??

  274. NYCmike says:

    janz, I don’t see any other way to live……the funny part about it is that the most vocal person I remember telling me this, other than my parents, was my second-grade religious instruction teacher, who was extremely devout.

  275. wvally says:

    Prosecutor!?!

  276. janz says:

    Romney has turned out to be a great disappointment. Was he always so vindictive, or did he grow into being a bitter loser, following his presidential defeat?

  277. Scooterboy says:

    Trump campaign hiring 300 more field staff positions in targeted States.
    https://www.axios.com/rnc-field-staff-hiring-trump-campaign-0bf049b4-f11e-4bbb-a5dd-236cc7ae1e24.html

  278. NYCmike says:

    CCC

  279. NYCmike says:

    I wonder if Ronna says anything to Uncle Mitt…..

  280. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

    China reported 7 new COVID infections today and zero deaths.

    In other news China just re-locked down 108M people:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/over-100-million-in-china-e2-80-99s-northeast-face-renewed-lockdown/ar-BB14ev9M

  281. VictrC says:

    213 – Scooter. OMG I had Professor Lax as my professor for a
    Supreme Court and the law class at Columbia (undergrad). LOL There were 35 people in the class and it was when Scalia went to NYU to give a speech and someone asked him if he sodomized his wife the night before. I made a comment in class about how inappropriate it was and he shut the class down for the next 3 days and he, and 34 others, argued against me with the premise being how was it ok for Scalia to curtail gay rights but not ok for him to be asked that question in public.

    I kid you not. My final project on the class was a 100 page paper on recess appointments that I did with two others. One plagiarized and we reported it to him before the class ended and he (the student) was expelled and we had to make up the difference. If i remember correctly I used Pryor if my memory serves em correctly

    What a small world

    And what a small man with a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder. It doesn’t surprise me at all. Just recently (in the past two months, both he and another professor I was very close to at Columbia defriended me after 15 years of staying in touch.

  282. Robbie says:

    Fat boy Pritzker really bringing up the rear with the case load. Another 2,200 or so today.

  283. NYCmike says:

    “CG”,

    will you allow Robbie to make fun of your Governor Pritzker in such Trumpian fashion!?!?

  284. lisab says:

    Romney calls for hazard pay for workers on the front line of the pandemic

  285. jason says:

    Barr says he won’t prosecute Obama or Biden.

    Oh well…

  286. NYCmike says:

    “Romney calls for hazard pay for workers on the front line of the pandemic”

    -My company delivered supplies to the Javits Center……does that make us “workers on the front line of the pandemic”?

    If so, YOU ROCK, Mitt!

  287. jason says:

    Spain reported 59 deaths today.

    6 weeks ago they reported 961.

  288. jason says:

    -My company delivered supplies to the Javits Center……does that make us “workers on the front line of the pandemic”?”

    Another “fiscal conservative” who will push his snout into the government trough at the first opportunity.

  289. jason says:

    Romney calls for 100% federal hazard pay and guaranteed bonuses for everyone in the MSM who are sacrificing themselves and fighting to bring truth and excellence in reporting to America in the face of overwhelming waves of fake news from extreme right wing Trump groups.

  290. NYCmike says:

    “Another “fiscal conservative” who will push his snout into the government trough at the first opportunity.”

    -Election year?

    Well, I know McCain would have supported Romney’s proposal.

  291. dblaikie says:

    The media is going to go absolutely nuts (pass the popcorn) but President Trump just announced that he was taking HCQ along with Zithrowmaicn and zinc. The old never Trumper Neal Cavuto is about to turn purple with indignation. You could tell that Trump just relished making the announcement.

  292. Scooterboy says:

    Breaking: “ Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has chosen Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to serve as chairman of the Intel CMTE, after Sen. Richard Burr stepped down from the role.”

  293. Phil says:

    Well, anyone but Warner’s puppet Burr.

  294. Scooterboy says:

    Rubio is an upgrade from Burr, I guess.
    I know it was wishful thinking, but would have loved to have seen someone like Hawley get it. I like Hawley a lot.

  295. Tina says:

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    19m
    ?…and now that prior rush by Marco Rubio to defend SSCI vice-chairman Mark Warner, about covert communication with Chris Steele, takes on a whole new light.
    Quote Tweet

    Mike Emanuel ??
    @MikeEmanuelFox
    · 42m
    “I am glad to announce that Senator Marco Rubio has accepted my invitation to serve as Acting Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.”-@senatemajldr

  296. Tina says:

    This is more Potomac 2 step with Boots. Boots is maybe marginally better than Burr, who was a disaster.

    Don’t forget, the SSIC has the most corrupt politicians.

  297. Tina says:

    See what I mean?

    Rubio rushed to defend Warner and Mccrapp

    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    · May 17, 2017
    Before he was acting director of @FBI Andrew McCabe was cross country star @BollesSchool in Jacksonville http://jacksonville.com/metro/mark-woods/columnists/2017-05-15/mark-woods-when-your-high-school-buddy-becomes-acting-fbi… #sayfieI

  298. Tina says:

    Well the presstitutes, including Cavuto, are triggered.

    Trump is taking the anti malaria drug as a preventative.

    Fauxs Cavuto is upset,

    I am sure the Cn and n quack will chime in.

  299. jason says:

    Election year?

    Well, I know McCain would have supported Romney’s proposal.”

    Ma, let’s go with that bait.

  300. jason says:

    Rubio back on the RINO list?

    We need a list in real time…

  301. jason says:

    Newsom says first responders would be first ones laid off if states don’t get federal assistance”

    Wow, what a scumbag.

  302. jason says:

    McConnell should pass a bill funding JUST first responders.

    Let Pelosi fail to vote on it.

  303. jason says:

    In Monday’s briefing, Pennsylvania Secretary of
    PA now has an Electronic Death Reporting System, or as Dr. Levine called it the EDRS.

    The system has already found some extra deaths today, since the total was less than 100 but at Worldometers is more than that.

    “Health Dr. Rachel Levine addressed the changes that some may notice in the coronavirus death totals. Levine said before Monday, data was coming from the Disease Surveillance System. Now, the state is pulling data from the Electronic Death Reporting System. Levine said that allows officials to get as near to real-time information as possible. The switch has resulted in death totals changing for some counties in the commonwealth.”

    PA will do what it takes to make sure the Governor can keep it in lockdown.

  304. jason says:

    Electronic Death Reporting System”

    You can’t make this sh-t up.

  305. pitchaboy says:

    If DJT is indeed using HCQ/Zinc for prevention, two observations: 1. There are many around the world doing it already and 2. There is not an ounce of data that it indeed works and that trial was started by NIH recently.

  306. jason says:

    There is not an ounce of data that it indeed works”

    I am sure that is news to NYC, who is incensed that “Fauci’s lab is not using it”.

  307. Phil says:

    Electronic Death what?

    Sorry bitter, but your state is hopeless. Absolutely beyond salvation.

    Voters actually elected this governor twice and by how much?

    Enjoy the perpetual lockdown. You poor guys will never get out of jail. The funny part is if Wolf is not term limited ya’ll will just elect him again.

    Perpetual lockdown….forever.

  308. Hugh says:

    There is a term called more likely than not. A VA study that oh by the way was not a study that showed a percentage of very sick people dying after taking the drug tells us nothing. Except maybe it will undermine the president. Lots of health professionals taking it tells me that if I was at risk I would take it as a preventative if it made sense. Since trump can’t prescribe it only a doctor this all seems like bull to me.

  309. Pitchaboy says:

    The vast majority on the front line do not take it for prophylaxis and that includes myself. It may well work but until that is proven, not worth the risk. I don’t use it as prophylaxis and do not prescribe it either.

  310. wvally says:

    In a letter to Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) presents a frequently updated table of studies that report results of treating COVID-19 with the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine (CQ) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, Plaquenil®).

    Peer-reviewed studies published from January through April 20, 2020, provide clear and convincing evidence that HCQ may be beneficial in COVID-19, especially when used early, states AAPS.

    https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

  311. wvally says:

    According to Wikipedia:
    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance. The group was reported to have about 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014.

  312. Tina says:

    Sam Brodey
    @sambrodey
    · 1h
    Sen @MarkWarner, who was effectively Senate Intel chair for a brief moment after Burr stepped down, says newly-named acting Intel chair @marcorubio has been “a great partner on intelligence and national security issues” and looks forward to working with him

  313. Tina says:

    Nuisance opens all of Ca, except 4 counties, to phase 2.

    We are less than 2 weeks before going into phase 3.

  314. Tina says:

    I am sure trump is taking the drug(s) with permission from his medical doctor.

    Remember, it’s a matter of personal choice in consultation with a physician.

  315. Tina says:

    Goober is becoming Granite.

    Henry Rodgers
    @henryrodgersdc
    · 6m
    INBOX: “Lindsey Graham’s subpoena authorization covers a number of documents, communications and testimony from witnesses, including James Comey, Andrew McCabe, James Clapper, John Brennan, Sally Yates, and others.”

  316. dblaikie says:

    Sorry Pitch you are wonderful person and a hero in my book for your being on the front line with this virus. But there is a ton of anecdotal evidence about this drug that is has been around for decades. Frankly I don’t understand making a drug like this political? If there was no data about this drug they wouldn’t have the official studies going on about it.

    I have a person in my congregation with stage 4 cancer. He is now traveling to Duke University to a get a new that is still untested even though it could be promising. I think you call that the right to try!

    Here is another study with yes, I know, anecdotal evidence. But it is still data. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8309337/Zinc-hydroxychloroquine-effective-COVID-19-patients-study.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

  317. dblaikie says:

    One thing for sure. No matter what happens with the official trials one group of people will have a lot of egg on their faces. However, if this drug is effective when taken early. There will be one group of people with lots of blood on their hands.

  318. dblaikie says:

    All the talking heads from fox to cnn were breathless in their reporting that cases were spiking in Texas! Well today Texas had 803 cases and 6 deaths. Just for the record yesterday they had 1005 cases and 20 fatalities. Some spike!

  319. jason says:

    “Rubio is a terrible choice”

    There we go. Number 68974 on the RINO list.

    The last true blue 100% litmus test conservative please turn off the lights.

  320. jason says:

    Goober is becoming Granite.”

    Goober off the RINO list?

    Sorry, make it 68973.

  321. jason says:

    But there is a ton of anecdotal evidence about this drug that is has been around for decades”

    Let’s see what the actual clinical trials show.

  322. jason says:

    I think Trump taking the drug is stupid.

    Sue me.

  323. jason says:

    I have not been against it being used because there was anecdotal evidence that it could work and the risks of using it were small and well documented. With the lack of therapeutic drugs against the virus, even Dr. Fauci said he would prescribe it.

    But anecdotal evidence is no substitute for the clinical trials, and Trump is not sick and has no reason to take this, especially since as Pitch said there is no evidence it is a prophylactic.

    Seems like a publicity stunt, but an ill advised one at that.

  324. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL I see the morons here are CREAMING THEIR SHORTS over the government takeover of the stock market. And then claim to be some capitalist free marketer and complain about socialism.

    More Govt Trillions please !!

    LOL I love this place! PlEASE.PROCEED.MORONS!

  325. Proud Obamacon says:

    Don’t forget to take yall Hydroxychloroquine for dessert and wash it down with some bleach, on the rocks! LOL!!

  326. Nancy Phucking Pelosi says:

    Roadkill maggot was gone so long because he was jerking off to me while the market went up. Tee Hee

  327. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is very upset the stock market didn’t crash and more people didn’t die, and the country is reopening rather than remaining in an endless shutdown.

    Better luck next time.

  328. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason with his fantasies again. I feel bad for him. He claims to be a conservative, but he loves the Socialist takeover of the economy. LOL

    Jason loves limitless money printing.

    Jason <3 Venezuela

    How loves the government sending checks to every american. LOL

    Jason loves how his heros are turning American into a Socialist state while complaining about Socialism. Rich! PLEASE.PROCEED!

  329. jason says:

    As I predicted, the IHME Model revised the numbers somewhat downwards, going from 147k deaths to 143k.

    Small difference but in the right direction.

    The comments haven’t been updated so don’t know exactly where the reduction is coming from.

    However, their prediction for today, 1485, is roughly 100 less than the previous projection and the June 1 projection of 1168 is also lower.

  330. jason says:

    How loves the government sending checks to every american. LOL ”

    I thought that was the Pelosi 3 trillion dollar plan that is going nowhere.

  331. jason says:

    Pelosi proposes 3 trillion, mostly a socialist wish list, but I love government sending checks?

    LOL

  332. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot just absolutely distraught 2 million people didn’t die, the stock market didn’t go to 15000, and the country didn’t shut down until the election.

    What a disgusting, despicable POS.

  333. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason doesn’t even now that his butt buddy, Turtle, and his sex fantasy, Orange in Chief, already mailed checks to 90% of americans.

    Try to keep up, sport.

    I know its hard when you’re constantly jacking off to McTurtle and Orange. NASTY!

  334. Phil says:

    ….or maybe we can get more moonbats In Arizona to take fish tank cleaner.

    I’m all for it hat one.

    Trump taking hydroxychlororoquine? Zzzzzzzzzzz

    Never Trumper Cavuto Going crazy about it? Well, he usually finds something every day to go after Trump on. What else is new? Today was particularly silly. Get a life, Neil.

    Vote for Joe boys and girls…..why? Because he doesn’t take hydroxychloroquine. Great campaign issue you got there, Joe. Means you’re super smart compared to Trump. The NYT says so…….of course that goes out the window once Joe tries to put a sentence together.

    I look forward to the Bulwark publishing articles over the next several days telling America how stupid Trump is for taking the drug…….and America collectively yawning.

    Does the Washington Post really think the American people give a rip about what the President is taking? Can you say living in a bubble?

    No one outside of the Washington elites gives a rat’s ass.

  335. Proud Obamacon says:

    More fantasies from Jason. Must be a sad existence living in his parents basement making up fantasies about those who actually produce for the country while he just takes take takes and whines all day and night. PATHETIC

  336. Tina says:

    Wow,

    Proud obumbler Freeloader wanted Dow to go to 16000?

    Does it realize that the Dow is over 24,500?

  337. jason says:

    I am sure Schiff is going to get right on this.

    “President Barack Obama’s Treasury Department regularly surveilled retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn’s financial records and transactions beginning in December 2015 and well into 2017, before, during and after when he served at the White House as President Donald Trump’s National Security Director, a former senior Treasury Department official, and veteran of the intelligence community, told the Star Newspapers.

    “I started seeing things that were not correct, so I did my own little investigation, because I wanted to make sure what I was seeing was correct” she said. “You never want to draw attention to something if there is not anything there.”

    The whistleblower said she only saw metadata, that is names and dates when the general’s financial records were accessed. “I never saw what they saw.”

    By March 2016, the whistleblower said she and a colleague, who was detailed to Treasury from the intelligence community, became convinced that the surveillance of Flynn was not tied to legitimate criminal or national security concerns, but was straight-up political surveillance among other illegal activity occurring at Treasury.

    “When I showed it to her, what she said, ‘Oh, sh%t!’ and I knew right then and there that I was right – this was some shady stuff,” the whistleblower said.

    “It wasn’t just him,” the whistleblower said. “They were targeting other U.S. citizens, as well.”

  338. Proud Obamacon says:

    Notice Jason completely ignores how the govt has taken over the stock market. I wonder why?

    Does jason approve of the government taking over the economy? Does jason love SOCIALISM? hMMM

  339. Tina says:

    Wh physician says that benefits outweigh risk for Trump to take antimalaria drug.

    Jebots triggered more.

    Let the person decide with her or her doctor.

  340. Tina says:

    So, there is finally a whistleblower against the illegal surveiller, the obumbler?

  341. jason says:

    I gather Roadkill Maggot is against sending more checks, especially to illegals.

    Baby steps, baby steps.

    “House Democrats want to send Americans a second round of stimulus checks worth up to $6,000 per family as part of the $3 trillion coronavirus relief package they rolled out Tuesday — the largest in history.
    Like the first round of payments approved by Congress in March, new proposal calls for giving $1,200 to those earning up to $75,000 a year and $2,400 to couples without dependents making double that before phasing out. But it would be far more generous to many families with children, providing $1,200 per dependent up to a maximum of three dependents. The earlier stimulus package, which is still in the process of being distributed, gave $500 for each qualifying child under age 17.”

  342. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Tina also loves Socialism.

    I always knew yall were stupid , but damn.

    Low IQ morons LOL

    Everyone here is now a Socialist! WOW!

  343. Tina says:

    His or her doctor.

    I don’t mean “doctor Kaputo.“.

    Or Sanjay Gupta.

  344. Tina says:

    You tried chasing Dow 16000

    You missed 8500 points.

    You are beyond dumb.

  345. Tina says:

    Poor Faux, they largely suck now.

    Neil Cavuto Stunned by Trump Taking Hydroxychloroquine: ‘It Will Kill You’

    Neil Cavuto Stunned by Trump Taking Hydroxychloroquine: ‘It Will Kill You’
    Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto expressed shock over President Donald Trump’s announcement Monday that he is taking hydroxychloroquine.
    breitbart.com

  346. Proud Obamacon says:

    “You tried chasing Dow 16000”
    Really? Another liar just making up $hit. Not surprised

    “You missed 8500 points.”
    Didn’t miss a single point, but thanks for your concern LOL

    “You are beyond dumb.”
    Obligatory closing remark? LOL

    So tell me Tina, Do you approve of how the government has taken over the economy completely? Do you? LOL .. I predict crickets as usual LOLL

  347. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Baby steps, baby steps.”

    Jason claimed he liked free markets and that he was conservative.

    Jason LOVES the SOCIALIST takeover of the economy.

    baby steps? Jason has taken A GIANT LEAP! WOW what a reveal. Jason the Commie! LOL

  348. Phil says:

    Dr. Cavuto.

    LOL.

  349. Proud Obamacon says:

    Where is VC to complain about a few bucks going to a single parent? Another Socialist now LOL

    Where is BJ predicting his all-time highs? LOL . Never knew WTF BJ was, he’s probably playing with his naked call options again LOL

    Where is Wally bitching about how he hates government. But then remembers who the POTUS is and says he loves government.

    LOL Morons!!!

  350. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Who needs Marxists when yall got Orange, Turtle, and Munchin all cheered on by Jason and Tina LOL

  351. Phil says:

    425,000 tests today.

    In other stat news today we have Governor Wolf getting the blue ribbon for the most daily reported deaths. Had to change the counting procedure in the middle of the game but whatever it takes, right Governor?

    Means you Pa voters get to stay in jail…..forever.

    Elections have consequences you dumbf*cks.

    Oh yeah, I went to the gym this morning and I actually survived. Hard to believe I know.

  352. Bitterlaw says:

    Channel flipping pays off, I did not realize CSpan 3 runs history lectures most notes.

  353. Bitterlaw says:

    Nights.

  354. Proud Obamacon says:

    Crickets as usual..

    Own it, yall LOVE SOCIALISM. You’ll feel better if you honest with yo selves LOL

  355. Country Dick Montana says:

    Elections have consequences you dumbf*cks.

    Get a grip, Phil, that schtick is getting old. No PA voter on this site voted for Wolf.

    There are a lot of us Texans up in southwest and central PA and a lot of PA natives people just like us driving the economic growth of this state. We can’t cancel out the votes of Philadelphia or stupid suburban women. If we had our we we would flicker their lights a little or let them freeze for a day or two, but we won’t.

  356. Phil says:

    Ah, yes. The stupid Philly suburban women. They love their abortion and gun control.

    The Philly blacks – suburban women coalition.

    I agree. You’re doomed…..forever.

  357. Tina says:

    The demented melter has spoken

    Philip Rucker
    @PhilipRucker
    “He’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group — morbidly obese, they say” — Speaker Pelosi to
    @andersoncooper
    on CNN.

  358. Country Dick Montana says:

    Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths

    4/23 – 2178 Peak

    5/01 – 1938
    5/02 – 1884
    5/03 – 1884
    5/04 – 1875
    5/05 – 1858
    5/06 – 1878
    5/07 – 1867
    5/08 – 1837
    5/09 – 1799
    5/10 – 1741
    5/11 – 1704
    5/12 – 1635
    5/13 – 1534
    5/14 – 1481
    5/15 – 1469
    5/16 – 1439
    5/17 – 1456
    5/18 – 1448

  359. Bitterlaw says:

    I guess Phil thinks people should move in and of states after every election. Of course, Phil also told us that Kamala Harris was the inevitableDemocrat nominee. Until she wasn’t. Then Warren. Until she wasn’t. Then Sanders. Until he wasn’t.

    At least Phil was right that PA would never again vote for the Republican nominee for President. Until he wasn’t.

    Now he thinks I am a dumbf*** because Wolf was elected. By that standard, he owns shrill lib Ann Richards. Remember her?

  360. Bitterlaw says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzz. I don’t agree with the politics of many of my neighbors. However, Phil’s attitude towards educated women is why many women are Dems here.

  361. Bitterlaw says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p-tyKWNwtMU

    Since Phil did not move out of Texas when she became Governor, it’s Phil’s fault for everything she did. Right?

  362. jason says:

    Everyone here is now a Socialist! WOW!”

    And some say the lockdowns don’t cause mental illness….

  363. jason says:

    Bitter really has a lot of crosses to carry.

    He is responsible for the corruption in NJ and for electing Wolf.

    A heavy load for any A-hole.

  364. Phil says:

    Hmmm. That’s telling me, bitter.

    Do I remember Ann Richards? LOL barely. Glad you brought her up, however. Ann Richards, Last Democratic governor elected in Texas. That would be 1990 BTW. I’m not real good in math but I believe that was, uh, 30 years ago. She tried for a second term and got slaughtered. How did Governor Wolf fare in his bid for a second term BTW?

    The last Democrat to win a statewide election here in Texas was1994. That would be ANY statewide office state or federal. See, we figured it out a long time ago.

    When are ya’ll going to do it. Just asking.

  365. jason says:

    e’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists”

    Usually people go to physicians for medical care, but Pelosi is special, she goes to “scientists”.

  366. Phil says:

    I guess our women here in Texas just aren’t educated.

  367. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL Jason still refuses to address why he thinks his precious govt taking over the economy is a good thing. Why Jason? Defend your position, sport!

    Tina already disappeared. Captain Dick refused to answer last time. Jason never answers ? Hmmm .. are they Socialists? LOLLL

  368. jason says:

    LOL, Worldometer managed to eke out 1003 deaths today.

    That compares with 1060 on May 11.

  369. Bitterlaw says:

    I don’t know, Phil. I don’t believe a woman who is pro-choice or pro-gun control is stupid. I think she is wrong.

  370. Proud Obamacon says:

    Everyone got your hydroxychloroquine? LOL.. CHEERS bottom’s up! Here here to Socialism. Print unlimited money! Capitalism! Huh? lol

  371. jason says:

    Roadkill Maggot is upset because Pelosi’s $3T in socialist wish lists and giveaways to illegals is not going anywhere?

    But you can see what really unhinges him is that 2 million people didn’t die, because that would have been “bad for Trump”:.

    Despicable turd.

  372. Tina says:

    Where are we on the gubment doctors’ model?

  373. Phil says:

    Sorry guys. I’m just in a bad mood. It’s become obvious that I’m not going to get an interview with the A-Hole membership committee. Pretty clear I’m being given the run around. I deserve consideration. You’ve all seen my work.

    Screw it.

  374. Bitterlaw says:

    Jason – I am impressed with Phil. My main concern is whether he is veering too closely into Gary Maxwell territory to be an effective A-hole.

  375. Hugh says:

    PO is getting desperate as it becomes more clear of the impending blowout in November. I will be lmao but PO will be too big a coward to show up.

  376. Country Dick Montana says:

    LOL, Worldometer managed to eke out 1003 deaths today.

    Yeah it was 998 at he end, then made its last update. Sucks would have been the first 2 days in a row of less than 1000 since 3/30 and 3/31. And that was back before they changed how the deaths we being counted.

  377. jason says:

    So Roadkill Maggot.

    What is more conducive to “government take over of the economy”.

    1) Reopening of the economy (pushed by Trump and Republicans)

    2) Endless shutdown (pushed by Pelosi and Democrats).

    Hint. Even a moron like you should be able to figure it out.

  378. wvally says:

    Yeah I noticed he cleared out for a while after the CA-25 landslide. Where’s that BLUE WAVE?

  379. Phil says:

    The blue wave petered out before it even washed across California 25…..but it’s going to swallow up the rest of the nation. I know because I read it in Politico.

  380. Bitterlaw says:

    Phil – Your time will come. Don’t try to force your way into the A-holes

  381. jason says:

    “Jason – I am impressed with Phil. My main concern is whether he is veering too closely into Gary Maxwell territory to be an effective A-hole.”

    Well, Phil seems to have a burning desire, which is very important in an A-hole.

    I am going to sponsor him because although he has not blamed us yet for Sherman burning down Atlanta, he is coming close. And with his abortion comments, it is pretty clear that he is making us responsible for killing babies in PA.

  382. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL!!!!
    Jason is hilarious. He whines about the $3T proposal while he fully approved of the $4T bailout mostly for failing businesses passed by Turtle and signed by Orange his lust fantasy.

    Jason also approves of $8T in junk debt buying that the govt is doing. He creams his keyboard every day thinking about how the government can take over another slice of the economy. Socialism Comrade!

    Jason also approves of limitless money printing.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    Thanks Jason for your comedic relief!

    Yall should just own it and start calling each other comrade! LOL

  383. Proud Obamacon says:

    Good post, Wally! You’re doing great, young fella!

  384. Proud Obamacon says:

    “The blue wave petered out before it even washed across California 25…..but it’s going to swallow up the rest of the nation. I know because I read it in Politico.”

    Thanks Phil! If you could be a real pal and add a “Book It!” to your post, that will really seal the deal! LOLLLLL!!!! What a TOOL!

    Damn this place… WOW

  385. jason says:

    “Where is Wally bitching about how he hates government.”

    Roadkill Maggot is really distraught.

  386. NYCmike says:

    “By that standard, he owns shrill lib Ann Richards. Remember her?”

    -Bitterlaw,

    You just entered into Wes-like arguments that are just simply ridiculous.

    Please don’t make this a habit.

  387. jason says:

    Hey moron wwally, our only female A-hole, is not a young fella…

  388. NYCmike says:

    For a while, when everyone was ignoring the fool, I was enjoying PO get more and more off-the-wall.

  389. jason says:

    Jason also approves of limitless money printing.”

    I wonder how many times during Obama’s 8 years, when Obama printed more money that ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED, did Roadkill Maggot come here and complain about “socialism”.

    Zero?

    Thought so.

  390. Proud Obamacon says:

    so Jason, tell us why its a good thing for the government to take over the economy? I thought you were against this stuff?

    Why is it ok to print $4T that we don’t have and inject it to prop up failing businesses and play favorites?

    Why is it ok to buy $8T of junk bonds?

    Why oh Why? LOLLL

    LOL

    Crickets

  391. jason says:

    was enjoying PO get more and more off-the-wall”

    He was betting on 2 million deaths.

    That is why he is unhinged.

    The disappointment is killing him.

  392. NYCmike says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8326919/Huawei-seals-5m-deal-Imperial-College-help-build-new-tech-campus-London.html

    -If you are involved with any entity where speaking badly about the CCP can affect your bottom line, then you need to be looked at with suspicion.

    That includes any medical labs which received $$ from the United States.

    If you don’t think that is prudent, the CCP Thanks You in advance.

  393. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL

    When government printed money under Obama, Jason was outraged!

    When govt prints EVEN MORE MONEY under his Orange Lust Muffin, Jason LOVES it to pieces and creams daily at the very thought!

    Huh? DOES.NOT.COMPUTE! LOL

    Conclusion .. Jason is a Socialist OR Jason is a Moron or BOTH? Hmm

  394. jason says:

    If the government really took over the economy, Roadkill Maggot would be happier than a pig in slop.

    THe fact he is here acting like a demented nutjob means something did not go according to plan.

  395. jason says:

    When government printed money under Obama, Roadkill Maggot thought it was wonderful.

    I fixed it for you.

  396. Phil says:

    Not trying to force my way in, bitter. I’ve been patient and all the while exhibiting real a-hole behavior. Take tonight. I’ve shown real a-hole type talent if I do say so myself.

    With regards to Texas, I will have to admit Gary Maxwell was not exactly a feather in Texas’ hat. We’re still trying to live that guy down. Admittedly, probably never will.

  397. Chicon says:

    Jason recently spent time chiding Tgca about his expertise in certain areas. Today he knows enough about medicine to advise that the President is stupid for taking a drug prescribed by his doctor, and approved by the FDA for more than 50 years.

    This hypocrisy example goes on the mantle next to the McCain/Ginsburg debacle.

  398. Proud Obamacon says:

    Jason still refusing to defend the govt takeover of the economy? I think it’s time to formally give him the title “Comrade”

    LOL

    Comrade Jason!

  399. Phil says:

    Speaking of booked, Politico already “booked” your blue wave, maggot. It’s a done deal according to them…..just like they guaranteed the 2016 outcome. They have a sterling track record. However, for some reason they aren’t handing out predictions on Hillary’s prospects for a second term.

  400. John says:

    Dang. Dang. Dang.
    Ken Osmond pasted away.
    Forever be as Eddie Haskell in the “Leave It To The Beaver” shows.
    Dang,

  401. Proud Obamacon says:

    “Speaking of booked, Politico already “booked” your blue wave”

    Not good enough sport. Give me the “Book It!” you wuss. Seal the Deal, oh master prognosticator Phil! LOLLL

  402. Bitterlaw says:

    If Jason is accused of being a socialist for not opposing the government just printing money under Trump AND PO approved of Obama just printing money, PO admitted being a socialist.

    That was easy enough

  403. Bitterlaw says:

    It’s ok, Phil. Maxwell was from Michigan. He just forgot that.

  404. Tina says:

    Drs. Capoto and Gupta should start their own show.

  405. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Have taken chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine when traveling in the tropics as a preventive measure against malaria. If I was going to an area with a high rate of CORVID-19 infection (like NYC), would probably consider taking it as a prevention measure also.

    Many medical professionals are prescribing the drug; even though it has not completed clinical trials. Side effects appear associated with using high doses of the drug; millions have taken it for malaria at lower doses with few side effects. Let patients, after consulting with their doctors about possible risks, decide.

  406. Tina says:

    I thought kapooto was descent years ago when he was on CNBC.

    What a disaster.

    Btw, minutes later he had a doctor on who was in favor of it.

    Donald J. Trump Retweeted

    Breaking911
    @Breaking911
    ·
    4h
    Neil Cavuto, who just told viewers they would die if they took Hydroxychloroquine, speaks to a doctor who says the drug can be lifesaving

  407. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    429. Bitter, common sense often confuses people.

  408. Proud Obamacon says:

    “If Jason is accused of being a socialist for not opposing the government just printing money under Trump AND PO approved of Obama just printing money, PO admitted being a socialist.”

    So BL says that not opposing printing money makes one a Socialist. Thanks for boiling it down, sport.

    OK Comrades, go ahead and oppose it. I’ll wait for yall posts where you oppose govt printing money. please proceed!

  409. Tina says:

    And remember the obumbler freeloaders said trump was lying about taking the antimalaria drug.

    Alex Salvi
    @alexsalvinews
    · 1h
    NEW: A memo from White House physician Dr. Sean Conley lays out the discussion that lead to Pres. Trump taking hydroxy-chloroquine: “We concluded the potential benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks.”

  410. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    The recent Republican election victories in California may have rattled Newsom and the Democrats. Newsom is now saying counties can move a lot faster in opening up:

    “SAN DIEGO (KGTV) — After Gov. Gavin Newsom announced counties would be allowed to reopen businesses faster under new criteria, San Diego leaders will meet Tuesday to discuss how to proceed locally.

    Monday, Newsom loosened requirements for counties to reopen businesses at a faster pace than the state. While the state will still need to approve those plans, Newsom said 53 out of 58 counties qualify to reopen faster under the new criteria.

    * * *

    Tuesday, San Diego’s leaders said they intend to submit their plan Monday and meet Tuesday to discuss reopening further.

    “We are submitting our plan today … it is for the accelerated stage two,” said Public Health Officer Dr. Wilma Wooten.

    Wooten added that she believed San Diego met the new metrics to open more stage two businesses, including shopping in stores and dining at restaurants with social distancing.”

  411. Proud Obamacon says:

    LOL no takers?

    Yall endorse limitless money printing?
    Yall endorse government owning the economy?

    Good to know.

    When we take over in Nov and yall start whining about government again, yall have no credibility. Just a bunch of basement dwelling low IQ hypocrites.

    Last chance.

    Disavow now or STFU forever, morons

  412. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Believe Phil asked me my opinion of San Diego Mayor Faulconer, and I responded negatively. Having said that, have been very impressed with his handling of the CORVID-19 crisis, and his support of business. It helps in San Diego County to have a Republican county board of supervisors and a Republican mayor of San Diego. Also, the Hispanic community is showing some of the strongest opposition to the lockdown. I seen several congressional races coming up in southern California between liberal Anglo progressives and conservative Hispanic and Asian Republicans.

  413. Bitterlaw says:

    I was never in favor of just tossing money at the problem caused by the shutdown. Unfortunately, the Feds went along with killing the economy.

  414. Proud Obamacon says:

    Just one half-assed attempt by BL who doesn’t seem to understand the money printing issue other than Dems-bad, Reps-good, LOL. Even with Reps do exactly what they say is Dem-Socialism.

    Yall are pathetic.

    Yall forfeit your right to complain when we take over in Nov cuz you endorse what we want to do. Hell, Turtle and Kindergartener in Chief doing what Dems do and doing it ON STEROIDS and yall endorse it! LOL

    Let that sink in yall. Orange and Turtle are basically behaving LIKE DEMOCRATS and you approve!

    If the govt hadnt stepped in and promised UNLIMITED QE, the DOW would be at 15K. I APPROVE OF WHAT MUNCHIN AND POWELL DID! They did the right thing stabilizing the market!

    Own it. Yall finally realize that government stepping in is not the evil yo leaders want you to think it is. They just expect you to not understand all this. They feed you crumbs, ignore their overreach, and then cry SOCIALISM against any D and you low IQ morons eat it up while they bank billions for themselves.

    Think about that!

    No credibility for yall. Yall have no problem with Socialism so own it.

  415. Proud Obamacon says:

    Socialism has come to America and the Republican brought it and embrace it.

    Who’d a thunk it!

    PEACE OUT HYPOCRITES! I’LL CHECK ON YOU WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT.

    SORRY FOR THE REALITY CHECK LOL

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  417. jason says:

    The pressure just got too much for Roadkill Maggot.

    Not the first Marxist to have a breakdown here, won’t be the last.

  418. jason says:

    Today he knows enough about medicine to advise that the President is stupid for taking a drug prescribed by his doctor, and approved by the FDA for more than 50 years”

    The stupidity of this post is pretty obvious so like Rush says I will tie half my brain behind my back just to make it fair.

    This drug has been approved for 50 years for malaria, I have taken it myself.

    Trump doesn’t have malaria.

    The use as a prophylactic is iffy at best, as our real doctor here Pitch says, there is not an ounce of evidence that it works.

    For that reason, I think it is a publicity stunt. If it is a publicity stunt, it is stupid.

    GFY.

  419. jason says:

    And of course I didn’t call the President stupid. I said taking this drug as a prophylactic is stupid.

    “I think Trump taking the drug is stupid.

    Sue me.”

    GFY again.

  420. lisab says:

    trump is 70

    he meets lots of different people every day

    his doctor prescribed him chloroquine

    a known safe drug

    if we are at the point where the democrats are determining what drugs we are allowed to take or not

    then we are in the death panel era

  421. SanDiegoCitizen says:

    Another widely used drug that is starting to be used off-label to treat CORVID-19 is tenofovir, which is an anti-HIV drug. It is now generic, and is widely used to treat HIV. Remdesivir which is being touted as a treatment for CORVID-19 is actually a reformulation of tenofovir. Remdesivir is given intravenously, while tenofovir is given in pill form. There finally are now clinical studies taking place testing tenofovir — generic drugs often are overlooked because they are not as profitable as patented drugs.

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  424. dblaikie says:

    Frankly it doesn’t matter what we think about the President taking HCQ if his Physician prescribed it to him, end of story. None of our business. Hope it works for him.

  425. dblaikie says:

    One thing is for sure, we want to live in a world where our physicians determine our medications! I certainly don’t want Neal Cavuto or any other talking head to decide what medications I can have.

  426. Hugh says:

    Total respect to Pitch, but different opinions amongst doctors are very common. My wife likes doctors who have a different philosophy from my doctor. Risk reward tolerances very greatly amongst patients and doctors. Pitch if I understand him correctly says there’s no evidence it works so he would not prescribe it. Others say their anecdotal evidence it works and they are prescribing it. As a patient if I had lots outside contact and felt vulnerable I’d take it. However in my list of fears catching this virus is towards the bottom of the list. So I would not take it. If I was a healthcare worker with other health issues I would and I guess Jason would not. Or maybe he would.

  427. Chicon says:

    Jason is twisting himself in knots again.

    Lisa is right, the drug is safe. Jason, the medical expert, wants to tell the President what drugs to take. Just like a Democrat.

    Recently he made fun of Tgca for portraying himself as experienced in a field. Now Jason is a medical expert. The hypocrisy is stunning.

  428. Hugh says:

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/just-news-2020-presidential-poll-shows-near-tie-biden-dropping-49-april-43

    Big drop for Biden. Weighted to be +5 dem. I’m thinking based on enthusiasm gap even is more likely than +5 which is ridiculous.

  429. Tina says:

    I don’t think trump needs a prescription drug to gather more publicity.

    That is stoopid.

  430. Sheeple,Jr. says:

    #457- Hugh
    Our favorite Arizona pollster, OH Predictive, is at it again. Last month, Biden was +9. In today’s poll, he is +7(50/43). The poll PID is R+5.
    Here are the whoppers:
    1- In 2016, The Donald carried Maricopa County by 3. In this poll, he loses the County by 13; a 16 pt. turn around.
    2- In 2016, Trump was +4 with Independents. In this poll, HE IS MINUS 30; a 34 pt. turn around.

    https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/7453540/Arizona%20Public%20Opinion%20Pulse%20-%20Presidential.pdf