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    Biden Leads Trump by 5% in MN

    ON this Memorial Day, we have a new poll from the Minnesota Star Tribune and Mason-Dixon Polling that has Joe Biden ahead by 5% in the state of Minnesota.

    PRESIDENT – MINNESOTA (Star Tribune)
    Joe Biden (D) 49%
    Donald Trump (R-inc) 44%

    This poll was done May 18-20 among 800 registered voters.

    Posted by Dave at 12:20 pm
    Filed under: General | Comments (324)

    324 Responses to “Biden Leads Trump by 5% in MN”

    1. Tina says:

      China Biden was up 12.

    2. Wes says:

      Not surprising. GWB did fairly well in MN in 2000. Four years later, as an incumbent, GWB saw Kerry expand Gore’s margin of victory in the state.

    3. Tgca says:

      Tres Bebe! Tres!

    4. Ron N says:

      Not a great poll for Biden. D plus 5 and with almost 50% college grad or higher seem pretty high for education for the state.

    5. Robbie says:

      Three weeks ago, Italy began to end their lockdown. They had 1221 cases that day. Three weeks later, Italy reported just 300 cases. It’s almost as if keeping people cooped up inside with an URI made things worse.

      Of course, the doctors who only believe in science will tell us that we must remained lockdown and hide under our beds in fear.

    6. Wes says:

      Biden’s margin in this poll is roughly midway between Obama’s 2012 margin over Romney and Hillary’s 2016 margin over Trump. Biden is also near 50%. I don’t see how that’s a bad result for Biden.

    7. jason says:

      Wes says:
      May 25, 2020 at 12:40 pm

      RINO means anyone Tina doesn’t like, Jason.:

      We are going to need a bigger RINO list….

    8. Tina says:

      Trump should move rnc to Florida.

      Phuq the drat nc governor.

    9. Hugh says:

      Tina. Trump will win re-election because he is running against Biden and only democrats think he would do a better job on the economy.

    10. Tina says:

      I am not sure Hugh. The lockdown was a big mistake. The economy is ruined. It will recover. Would be better if he had another year before the election.

      This is not the same Biden that destroyed paolo ryan

    11. Robbie says:

      I was wrong in 2016, but I was correct in 2018 so take my view with a grain of salt. I think Trump’s an underdog due to his own making. Can he win? Sure.

      Right now though, I think Trump’s best chance to win is an external event that’s mostly out of his control. I think that would be a vaccine approval in the Labor Day timeframe.

    12. DW says:

      Compare the MN poll to same time of year in 2016, and it’s a decent poll for Trump. He is at least in play, and if he uses the right approach there he could win it

    13. lisab says:

      I should say, it works the same but Democrats as individuals all work as one unit all in for the cause.
      ———————-

      the biden dems and the bernie bros are having a civil war on social media these days

      they are not united at all

    14. lisab says:

      another factor is that many colleges will be closed this fall

      that will impact voting in nh and minnesota

      places that usually go blue because of college campuses, will be red

    15. Hugh says:

      Lockdown no lockdown. Either choice was a political loser for trump due to our press and deep state officials. However locking down the country on balance was very bad for the country. Unfortunately most people are naturally risk adverse and economic illiterates. So no consensus there.

    16. lisab says:

      ‘I think Amazon should start paying their taxes,’ Joe Biden says
      ————————-

      he could have gotten a crap load of money from the tech giants … looks like that ship is sailing

      biden has no money, he is only paying expenses

    17. lisab says:

      Lockdown no lockdown. Either choice was a political loser for trump due to our press and deep state officials.
      ——————–

      he had to lock down, if 100,000 people died without a lock down, it would all be on trump.

      fair or unfair

    18. lisab says:

      Biden says he would not pardon Trump

    19. Pitchaboy says:

      Vaccine is coming. DJT is winning.

    20. lisab says:

      this is an example of what is exploding on social media … there are thousands of responses, dinos ripping bernie bros and vice versa
      ———————————

      Steph, Humorless Cheese Merchant
      @RantsByDesign

      For the 9000th time this year alone, DEMOCRATS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MY MFING VOTE! THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO EARN THAT SHT!

      Yes, that’s how it works. No, I don’t owe anyone a goddamned explanation for why I won’t vote for Biden. I’ve told you aholes like 100 times, suck it.

    21. Robbie says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      May 25, 2020 at 2:11 pm
      Vaccine is coming. DJT is winning.

      – Help me with this. A lead scientist on the Oxford vaccine says there’s only a 50/50 chance it works because the virus is disappearing so fast they might not know if it works.

      But I thought the important point was to see if the virus produced the immune response seen from those who’ve recovered. For instance, the Moderna vaccine showed that it produced protective antibodies even though none were actually exposed to the virus.

      If there isn’t enough virus in the US, will that really be a problem?

    22. Hugh says:

      17. I agree but a depression is also bad for re election

    23. Pitchaboy says:

      His point is we will get neutralizing antibodies but won’t know if they are truly protective if there are not enough infections to go around.

    24. Tgca says:

      As soon as the numbers goes down, Trump needs to reshuffle his advisors before this resurfaces in the fall. Put Fauci on the bench. Bring in a team of folks actually that work on the frontlines or companies that actually do the research daily and know what’s going on. Have a robust team of experienced scientific and medical professionals and not a figurehead who loves the publicity.

      Gubbermint can not solve this by themselves with politically motivated small-minded thinking bureaucrats like Fauci and friends at W.H.O. They suckered leaders into believing them with their so-called expertise and got it significantly wrong and now we will probably have a much worse healthcare situation as many more will probably suffer or die because of lost wages and access to private insurance is gone for them. How many folks will opt not to seek treatments and check-ups because they can’t afford it now?

      Again if this was any other place but gubbermint, Fauci and friends would have been side-lined a long time ago.

    25. lisab says:

      Joe Biden: “Our culture is not imported from some African nation.”
      —————

      well … part of it actually was … literally

    26. PresidentPaul! says:

      Coronavirus Vaccine sounds doubtful to me since we all get coronavirus every year, but we always get another one the next year or maybe the year after that.
      And then the year after or the year after that we get yet another one and so on.

    27. PresidentPaul! says:

      One of China’s early\prototype bioweapons escaped the lab

      https://www.zerohedge.com/health/it-was-designed-infect-humans-covid-19-cell-culture-theory-gains-steam

      “Like It Was Designed To Infect Humans”: COVID-19 ‘Cell Culture’ Theory Gains Steam

    28. Tgca says:

      …and no BS about Fauci did not need to do this. I agree! He did not need to get suckered by the Chinese and W.H.O. and then draw incorrect conclusions that he used to negligently influence leaders and scare the population with many comments that we now know were incorrect.

      Before this, the vast majority of the US did not even know who he was or anything about the NIH. After this, he can now go hock books, and doing TV appearances on left-winged shows for money. He has capitalized on this more than anyone and that’s what’s sickening about his misrepresentations.

    29. PresidentPaul! says:

      Psycho grocery shoppers on the loose.

      https://twitter.com/DavidBCollum/status/1264912775408689153?s=20

    30. NYCmike says:

      “RINO means anyone Tina doesn’t like, Jason.”

      -You could say this, or you could actually try to argue against Tina and the reasons she may have called some politician a RINO……….looks like certain people just like to react blindly instead of listing their evidence to back up their opposing view.

    31. NYCmike says:

      “Can someone explain Pompeo’s thinking to me? If he runs for Senate, he wins a gimmie race. On top of that, the Senate gives him a platform from which to launch any presidential future presidential run.”

      My Thoughts:

      1) Pompeo doesn’t want to be a Senator who would have the same amount of power of people like Schumer, Durbin or Romney.

      2) The Senate is a terrible platform for any Presidential run, especially for a Republican.

      3) He believes Trump will win re-election, and wants to remain in the Executive Branch, as that is a better platform for an eventual Presidential run, if he is seeking such a position.

      4) He could make more money outside of politics

    32. Robbie says:

      Pitchaboy says:
      May 25, 2020 at 2:26 pm
      His point is we will get neutralizing antibodies but won’t know if they are truly protective if there are not enough infections to go around.

      – Ok. Gotcha.

    33. NYCmike says:

      “I don’t think I’m breaking any news here, but the 2020 election looks really tough right now. Shouldn’t it be all hands on deck to save every seat? Sometimes, being a team player really is important.”

      -And people wonder why I ask Robbie if he will vote for Trump in November??

    34. Tina says:

      I actually don’t think Dewanto did badly,

      His health director is a different story.

      He makes Dr. Fauci look moderate.

    35. Tina says:

      However, it’s all moot in Ohio now.

      He and his health director were sued and won.

      The ohio lockdown is illegal.

    36. NYCmike says:

      Robbie,

      I happened to see William Kristol’s Twitter feed today…..I wonder if you ever go on there and tell him he is full of sh*t.

    37. lisab says:

      -And people wonder why I ask Robbie if he will vote for Trump in November??
      ———

      yeah … because he will be voting straight dem, that should be clear by now

    38. NYCmike says:

      “None of them have put out statements condemning Andy Beshear’s dictatorial power grab.”

      -Why don’t I find this statement about Kentucky Republicans very surprising…..

    39. Wes says:

      NYCmike says:
      May 25, 2020 at 2:48 pm
      “Can someone explain Pompeo’s thinking to me? If he runs for Senate, he wins a gimmie race. On top of that, the Senate gives him a platform from which to launch any presidential future presidential run.”

      My Thoughts:

      1) Pompeo doesn’t want to be a Senator who would have the same amount of power of people like Schumer, Durbin or Romney.

      2) The Senate is a terrible platform for any Presidential run, especially for a Republican.

      3) He believes Trump will win re-election, and wants to remain in the Executive Branch, as that is a better platform for an eventual Presidential run, if he is seeking such a position.

      4) He could make more money outside of politics

      Conveniently knowing Kris Kobach makes a Senate seat the Dems have never won by popular vote competitive, Mikey makes the case for keeping the strongest potential GOP recruit out of the race. Mikey then claims—unconvincingly, I might add—not to want Schumer to become Senate Majority Leader.

      This is why the throwing away of critical Senate seats by Deadenders is known as the Mikey Maneuver.

    40. Tina says:

      I think Pompeo runs for senate. He has held his current position for years now.

      Grenell is waiting in the wings as acting Secretary.

      He is no longer ambassador to Germany. There is a new nsa director sworn in tomorrow.

    41. NYCmike says:

      Wes,

      Not sure if you are trying to be funny with those type of comments, but they aren’t the least bit funny.

      If you aren’t trying to be funny, and are serious, then you are wrong.

      If Pompeo wants to run, I would be all in for him, as I have always liked him since he was a Tea Party-supporting Republican in 2010.

    42. Tina says:

      This probably proves that it works. Don’t trust China’s WHO.

      New York Post
      ?
      @nypost
      WHO suspends hydroxychloroquine trials amid safety concerns https://trib.al/mNAogbQ

    43. NYCmike says:

      I wanted to add something about Kentucky and Bevin, if incorrect please let me know:

      Bevin got more votes in 2019 than any Republican for Governor ever.

      Unfortunately, Beshear, the son of a former Governor, received about 5500 more.

      Oddly enough, Wes has NEVER MENTIONED that there was a Libertarian candidate in that race…..that person received over 28,000 votes.

      Robbie will have to deal with the little Beshear for another 3+ years. Sorry. I live in NY, where the Governor is unopposed by the legislature, so I know you will survive.

    44. Tina says:

      Let me guess,

      The libertarian is a Drat sock puppet too.

    45. Tina says:

      Pompeo was a big step up compared to the Exxon lardarse.

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    47. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      43.”WHO suspends hydroxychloroquine trials amid safety concerns https://trib.al/mNAogbQ

      WHO also stated the both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were accepted as generally safe for use for people as a malaria and auto-immune disease treatment. So when you put it in your mouth and shallow it, make sure you are using it for the right diseases — it will determine if it is safe or not.

    48. jason says:

      Bevin got more votes in 2019 than any Republican for Governor ever.

      Unfortunately, Beshear, the son of a former Governor, received about 5500 more.”

      LOL

      Translation: despite NYC’s heroic effort to sugar coat it, the Paulbot moron still lost.

    49. Hugh says:

      WHOs revenge. Killing people, suicide, mental illness, bankruptcy, economic depression whatever it takes to get rid of trump.

    50. Wes says:

      You’re an idiot, Mikey. I have mentioned the Libertarian hurt Bevin. Of course a Libertarian was in the 2015 race—which Bevin won—so clearly that was one factor among many explaining why Bevin lost.

      Of course unlike you, I haven’t gone out of my way to defend Aaron Day in his quest to help Maggie Hassan unseat Kelly Ayotte. I also didn’t support Pat Morissey in his attempt to beat Joe Manchin by brutally attacking a full third of West Virginia’s voters.

      Keep trying to play political legerdemain in an attempt to disguise your opposition to electable GOP Senate candidate’s though.

    51. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      At this point in time, predicting who will be elected president in November is a coin toss. It could go either way, and its hard to predict because of the unusual events going on now.

      Do believe Biden’s mental acuity issues will become a campaign issue, particularly if there is a debate. On the other hand, the voters may have tired of Trump and want a less caustic replacement. It is quite possible the election will be decided by the voters who make their decision based on choosing the lesser ot two evils. Trump is the devil they know, and Biden does not come across as mentally competent.

    52. Wes says:

      Of course it matters just as much that Bevin received more votes last year than Louie Nunn received in 1967 as that GHWB received more votes in 1992 than Warren Harding received in 1920.

      Nunn and Harding won.

      Bevin and Bush lost.

      Who wins is all that matters in politics.

    53. jason says:

      Yep, you can see the Mikey Maneuver is alive and well in KS.

      Let’s make sure the deadender loses to a liberal Dem and let’s make sure Pompeo doesn’t run.

      SEND A MESSAGE!

      But NYC will be here after the election to say Kobach “got more votes than any R for the Senate, but unfortunately lost by only 24000 votes”.

    54. jason says:

      Tgca still making up BS about Fauci?

      Fortunately, Trump thinks Fauci is smart, so conversely he would think Tgca is an idiot.

    55. Wes says:

      Heh. Mikey claims the Senate is a terrible platform to launch a presidential bid from.

      I’m willing to bet Warren Harding, John Kennedy, and Barack Obama would disagree.

    56. NYCmike says:

      If any of you can find a comment where I pushed Kobach for Kansas Senate, please let me know.

      Thanks in advance.

    57. Tgca says:

      The 1st is original rendering of the projects, called public housing back then, that I was born and raised in my 1st 6 years in the bee-you-tee-ful city in Newark in the Sewer State NJ. I am almost certain my building was the farthest on the right as I remember looking out the window into the courtyard to see the other buildings and I know we were on the right side of Grafton Ave directly across from the Passaic River. We lived on the 8th floor and I believe it was the 4 windows on the right facing the courtyard, as we lived in a 2-bedroom apartment and all rooms were lined up on the right side with a long hallway and wall on the left side.

      We moved out when only the 1st floors were being boarded up. The 2nd pic is probably about 10 to 15 years later when it was abandoned.

      See what y’all missed not growing up on the Sewer State.

      Life doesn’t get any better than this I tell ya!

    58. Wes says:

      Correction. There wasn’t a Libertarian in the 2015 KY gubernatorial race but a right-leaning Independent. Since Bevin bested Conway by nearly nine points and achieved a majority of the vote that year, it seems Bevin was his own worst enemy as an incumbent Governor.

      The Libertarian didn’t help last year, but maybe if the race hadn’t been between a Governor who had made enemies out of just about everyone in the state and a popinjay coasting on family ties, the Libertarian wouldn’t have received all those votes.

    59. NYCmike says:

      “Heh. Mikey claims the Senate is a terrible platform to launch a presidential bid from.”

      -Are you a relative of Chuck Todd?

    60. Wes says:

      Didn’t you make a case on this very thread saying why Pompeo shouldn’t run despite the knowledge that Kobach—who managed to lose in 2018 despite carrying three of four congressional districts and having an opponent with a split vote—has a realistic chance of being the GOP Senate nominee to replace Pat Roberts, Mikey?

      That was you or an impostor hijacking your handle.

    61. Tgca says:

      59

      I meant right side if you’re looking at the river. We were one of the last Caucasian families living there. We moved not too long after my step dad got pistol whipped and robbed in an elevator one night, and my mom ran out of credit at the local store because she owed too much money for further credit there and stiffed the guy when we left. We left nearly all belongings behind in the apartment when we left except for two lamps and an end table, some dishes, and clothes.

      I know my friend Wes is totally so jealous now that he never lived in the Sewer State.

      Ah! To simpler times.

    62. Wes says:

      Did you type this, Mikey?

      2) The Senate is a terrible platform for any Presidential run, especially for a Republican.

      I found it on a comment sporting your handle.

    63. Robbie says:

      I hope Pompeo changes his mind, but I don’t think the odds are good. If he does run, the press will portray is as “the rats are fleeing the sinking ship” and I bet he doesn’t want that image to exist. On the other hand, Trump has apparently encouraged Pompeo to run in the last few weeks.

      I don’t know if Trump will win and I don’t think we’ll have a good idea of the race for a while, but I do think we’re in an all hands on deck moment in the Senate. Democrats, to their credit, push aggressively on every front whether they can win or not. Republicans rarely ever have.

    64. jason says:

      Wes, the problem is not that Bevin was a horrible candidate, the problem was that he got 5500 fewer votes than the liberal Dem.

    65. NYCmike says:

      ““Can someone explain Pompeo’s thinking to me?”

      -Wes,

      I answered, in a theoretical fashion since I don’t know the man, Robbie’s question.

      Robbie worships politicians, so I understand why he thinks that Pompeo should run for Senate.

      I, on the other hand, don’t worship politicians. Pompeo strikes me as a very capable individual, and I would love to see him as a Senator, IF THAT IS THE ROUTE HE WANTS TO TAKE.

      AND, I would definitely prefer him to Kobach, who, may I remind you, I have never pushed for Senate in Kansas.

      That said, if you support the primary system, you will support the person who wins the Kansas primary…….WOULDN’T YOU??

    66. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Churches can reopen in California.

    67. Wes says:

      Aside from the Delaware Witch and Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, yes, I would support Kobach should he win the nomination.

      It’s academic though because Kobach is another Roy Moore and would throw away a winnable race in a year when Republicans can’t afford Deadenders’ shenanigans.

    68. NYCmike says:

      “especially for a Republican.”

      -You left this part out, and we were speaking mainly about Pompeo, who last I checked, was a Republican.

      Also, your examples of Harding, Kennedy and Obama is also quite thin to back up your assertion that my statement was incorrect, if you were to add up all of the Senators who failed to become President.

    69. Wes says:

      Thanks for clearing Mikey’s thinking up, Jason.

    70. Robbie says:

      Pritzker dropped another 1700 cases today. I think his goal is to overtake New Jersey for the second most cases behind St. Mario Cuomo the Pius of New York.

      That fatso is determined to carry this pandemic and the fear associated with it as far as he can.

    71. NYCmike says:

      “If he does run, the press will portray is as “the rats are fleeing the sinking ship” and I bet he doesn’t want that image to exist.”

      -Robbie just wrote this……..what exactly did you do for all of 2017 & 2018, when so many Republicans bailed out of the House and Senate instead of fighting for re-election??

    72. Wes says:

      Mikey, more Senators have become President than New York businessmen with no electoral experience.

      Counting those not directly elected from the Senate to the White House, at least eight Senators have won election to the White House.

      Meanwhile, only two New York-based businessmen with no previous electoral experience have won the presidency.

      You make a weak argument.

    73. NYCmike says:

      #74 – I am unaware that I was arguing in favor of NY-based businessman with and/or without electoral experience.

      Are you confusing me with someone else, or are you continuing to make sh*t up in that over-credentialed brain of yours?

    74. Wes says:

      Democrats won 45 seats in Congress in 2018 (counting the PA special election that January), 43 in the House and 2 in the Senate. Republicans partly offset these gains by picking up 6 seats, 4 in the Senate and 2 in the House. 31 of the Dem victories were the result of ousting incumbent Republicans. Retirements had virtually nothing to do with the Dems’ good results that year.

      You really should do research before making asinine statements, Mikey.

    75. Wes says:

      I was pointing out how statistically Pompeo would have a better chance of becoming President as a Senator than Trump had as a businessman, Mikey. You really should stop drinking paint and learn to understand the points people are making.

    76. Wes says:

      Thus, statistically Pompeo as Senator would have a significantly better chance of becoming President in the future than Trump had in 2016.

    77. jason says:

      Fat Pricker could only come up with 1700 cases today, sleeping on the job.

    78. Wes says:

      I just looked it up. 16 Senators have become President. 14 of them actually won the office (though Truman and Johnson did so after ascending to the office upon the death of a sitting President) while 2 became President after the sitting President’s death and never won the office on their own.

      I’d say Pompeo has a reasonably good chance of becoming President if he runs for Senate.

      https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm

    79. jason says:

      IF THAT IS THE ROUTE HE WANTS TO TAKE.”

      Not me.

      I would like to see him as Senator even if that is not the route he wants to take.

    80. Robbie says:

      jason says:
      May 25, 2020 at 4:57 pm
      Fat Pricker could only come up with 1700 cases today, sleeping on the job.

      – Holiday. Look out for Tuesday and especially Wednesday.

    81. Robbie says:

      NYCmike says:
      May 25, 2020 at 4:42 pm
      “If he does run, the press will portray is as “the rats are fleeing the sinking ship” and I bet he doesn’t want that image to exist.”
      -Robbie just wrote this……..what exactly did you do for all of 2017 & 2018, when so many Republicans bailed out of the House and Senate instead of fighting for re-election??

      – This easy to answer. Those in the House and Senate who chose not to run in 2018 had no personal connection with Trump. They bailed rather than lose.

      Pompeo clearly has a personal connection with Trump and doesn’t want to create a story that Trump is losing his allies.

    82. Tina says:

      It’s moot, if trump slots Grenel in, then the jebots and drats will be inflamed,

      The Quittens wing of the party hates grenel because everyone is gay,

    83. Tina says:

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    84. PresidentPaul! says:

      Pompeo needs to focus on punishing china.

    85. Wes says:

      You can’t make this s hit up!

      Bob Menendez filed an ethics complaint against Pompeo in case Pompeo runs for Senate.

      Seriously.

      The underage slave-raping corrupt senior Senator from the Sewer State who escaped prison because of a hung jury had the audacity to file an ethics complaint against Mike Pompeo.

      What’s next? Is Joe Biden going to file an ethics complaint against Donald Trump for bragging about grabbing women by the pu ssy?

    86. NYCmike says:

      “I’d say Pompeo has a reasonably good chance of becoming President if he runs for Senate.”

      -So did Rick Santorum, McCain, Dole, and countless others.

      I think it ill-advised.

      Make a list of all the Senators who thought they could become President, became candidates, and failed. Then compare that to the list you linked to, and maybe the “reasonably good chance” you speak of will be more clear.

    87. Robbie says:

      What are Pompeo’s chances of becoming president as the former Secretary of State from 2018 to 2021? Becoming a FoxNews contributor might keep his name active, but it didn’t help Santorum or Huckabee. If Trump loses, I think Pompeo’s career will be stalled unless he runs for governor in 2022.

    88. Wes says:

      Well, let’s see, Mikey:

      The last SOS to become President was James Monroe in 1817. The last Senator to become President was Barack Obama in 2009.

      You tell me which job is a more likely springboard to the White House.

    89. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Here is how AP-NORC now does its polling:

      “The AP-NORC poll of 1,056 adults was conducted May 14-18 using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.”

      A lot of polls now are using “panels” drawn or recruited from the internet. Whether such panels are actually representative of the voting population is open to question.

    90. NYCmike says:

      Further investigation of that list, and the question put forth by Robbie, was of a sitting Senator becoming a candidate for President and then being elected to that office……how many of those listed fall in that category?

      Wes, please do not say that I am changing the argument without first looking back to the original question put forth by Robbie.

    91. NYCmike says:

      Buchanan was Senator, then became Sec of State.

      Nixon was Senator then VP.

      LBJ was Senator, then VP.

      Go thru them all – being a Senator then President, in my opinion is not the best route.

      I would think that Robbie has a good idea when he speaks about Pompeo running for Governor as the better route to the White House.

    92. Wes says:

      I was a half century off. James Buchanan was the last SOS to become President. He took office in 1857.

      The point still stands.

      We have 152 years between the last SOS and last Senator who entered the White House.

    93. NYCmike says:

      “Buchanan was Senator, then became Sec of State.”….then ambassador then President.

      Monroe, Adams, Jackson – didn’t go from Senate to White House

    94. NYCmike says:

      “We have 152 years between the last SOS and last Senator who entered the White House.”

      -I wasn’t arguing this either.

      Stick to the argument, Wes.

      Robbie wants Pompeo to go to the Senate, as a potential steppingstone to the Presidency.

      I disagree that the best spot for Pompeo, if he wants to be President, is the Senate.

      STOP making up other arguments that nobody except yourself is making.

    95. Robbie says:

      I don’t care about who the governor of Kansas is. I do care about Democrats not winning a Senate seat in the state for the first time since 1932.

    96. Wes says:

      I never said the men you listed went directly from Senator to President, Mikey. Indeed I pointed out the only three men to do that. Rather, I pointed out all Senators Who later became President. That’s a much longer list than Secretaries of State who became President, even though SOS early in the Republic was the primary stepping stone to the White House.

    97. NYCmike says:

      Truman became VP before the Presidency.

      How many of those names went from being Senator to President?

      Without looking, I know JFK and Harding.

      Anyone else?

    98. Wes says:

      You have to understand, Robbie, Mikey wants Schumer to become Senate Majority Leader. That’s the reason Mikey doesn’t want Pompeo to enter the race and take a potentially vulnerable seat off the table for the Dems.

    99. NYCmike says:

      #98 – I wasn’t arguing about how many Senators became President.

      I was arguing against what Robbie spoke about – Pompeo going from the Senate to a potential White House run.

    100. Tina says:

      Karen calling the cops on an African American.

      https://twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920

    101. Wes says:

      Mikey is so stupid he’s forgotten the years 2008-2017 in American politics.

    102. NYCmike says:

      #101 – why do you repeat such a thing, when I have made direct comments in this very thread which show you to be lying?

      Stop being dishonest.

    103. Tina says:

      Hopefully Karen gets cited by the Nypd

      Dog not leashed

      False report to cop.

    104. NYCmike says:

      #104 – wow.

      You have troubles, dear Wes.

    105. Wes says:

      Let’s see, Mikey:

      You’re making the case for Pompeo to pass on an easy Senate election. You’ve previously supported Deadenders Christine O’Donnell, Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, Matt Bevin, Chris McDaniel, Aaron Day, and Pat Morissey for Senate.

      No. You don’t want Schumer to be Senate Majority Leader. Not at all.

      🙄

    106. Wes says:

      You literally asked what Senators other than Harding and JFK went from Senate to President, Mikey.

      You shouldn’t even have had to ask that question—especially since I’ve already given the answer on this thread.

    107. Wes says:

      Mikey posted this:

      NYCmike says:
      May 25, 2020 at 5:56 pm
      Truman became VP before the Presidency.

      How many of those names went from being Senator to President?

      Without looking, I know JFK and Harding.

      Anyone else?

      Then he wondered why I called him stupid.

    108. Bitterlaw says:

      I was planning on going to Ireland and Northern Ireland for vacation at the end of June. We have to cancel since their lockdowns will still be mostly in effect.

    109. Robbie says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      May 25, 2020 at 6:18 pm
      I was planning on going to Ireland and Northern Ireland for vacation at the end of June. We have to cancel since their lockdowns will still be mostly in effect.

      – Hopefully, you’ll get there the same time next year.

    110. Tgca says:

      Technically, we have 3 years between SoS winning the WH not 152. Hillary actually won the 2016 election if it were not for the outdated electoral college that would not exist if we followed a living and changing Constitution as many jurists believe it should be. Just like Stacey Abrams technically won in GA.

      Ask anybody from CA, NY, or MA or also ask folks at CNN or MSNBC or ask most professors in academia. The history books will tell the truth in due time. Hillary was the duly elected 45th POTUS.

    111. Tina says:

      Futures up on Wuhan Virus Vaccine

      American biotech company Novavax said Monday it started the first human study of its experimental coronavirus vaccine. The company said it expects initial results on safety and immune responses in July. Last week, another biotech Moderna reported positive development on its vaccine trial where all 45 participants had developed coronavirus antibodies.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/25/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar

    112. Tina says:

      Covid #s for today, per this twitter feed.

      Ethical Skeptic ?
      @EthicalSkeptic
      ·
      3m
      This 523 fatality day – sure to rebound on Wednesday, accelerated the daily drop in fatalities to 2.7% per day.

      Hospitalizations continued on their 3.1% drop per day.

    113. Robbie says:

      I doubt the futures are up based on Novavax so much as it’s a realization state reopenings are going far better than people expected and just a general sense the coronavirus is fading away, at least for the Summer. However, I do think the a lot of the vaccine news we’ve seen recently has powered the markets higher. Given the pictures we’ve seen of crowds gathering at beaches, restaurants, and even on planes, I think it’s possible Q2 GDP won’t be quite as bad as first feared.

    114. jason says:

      Benchmarks for today

      May 18 deaths 1003
      May 18 cases 22630

      IHME death projection May 25 1315

    115. PresidentPaul! says:


      “The US Is Bluffing”: China Claims Trump Too “Weakened” By Pandemic To Intervene In Hong Kong

    116. jason says:

      Then he wondered why I called him stupid.”

      I agree that why he would wonder is a mystery.

    117. jason says:

      I was planning on going to Ireland and Northern Ireland for vacation at the end of June. We have to cancel since their lockdowns will still be mostly in effect.”

      We will be open here in York County, so all is not lost.

      In York the Golden Plough Tavern, General Horatio Gates House and the Barnett Bobb Log Home are very interesting.

      The Lapp Family Amish Guesthouse is just minutes from the Intercourse attractions and has indoor plumbing (scroll through pix if you don’t believe me) if you want as lovely place to stay. The goats are adorable.

      https://www.amishfarmstay.com/room/lapp-family-amish-guesthouse/

    118. jason says:

      You’ve previously supported Deadenders Christine O’Donnell, Dick the Misogynist Bastard Mourdock, Matt Bevin, Chris McDaniel, Aaron Day, and Pat Morissey for Senate.”

      You left out Sharron Angle, Ken Angle, Chemtrail Ward, not to mention the king of deadenders, Joe Miller, Mo Brooks….

      I am sure there are others…

    119. jason says:

      Huh, Ken Buck.

    120. jason says:

      Ah yes, who can forget Todd Akin…

    121. Tgca says:

      …and so it starts. The official blame game by gubbermint leaders on the failed experts, as I’ve been saying for awhile. Expect a 9/11 type report talking about how all the experts failed and did a disservice to America and how we will need an oversight bureaucracy on the failed bureaucrats to ensure this does not happen again.

      New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo declared Monday he is getting out of the projection “business,” when asked when his state might reopen, admitting “we all failed.”

      All the early national experts: ‘Here’s my projection model; here’s my projection model.’ They were all wrong.”

      https://www.newsmax.com/politics/andrew-cuomo-failed-pandemic-projections/2020/05/25/id/968918/

    122. Tgca says:

      124

      My view is the Dems will now change strategy and blame the “experts” for misleading them and killing their economies since they are already on record saying “trust the science” every day from Jan thru May.

      Now it will be:
      Trust the science, not the scientists.”

      That b*tch Fauci is going down!

    123. Tina says:

      Phuqin gubment doctors

      “We conservatively estimate that the national lockdown is responsible for at least 700k lost years of life every month (1.5M so far) — already far surpassing the COVID-19 total (800k).”

      https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

    124. jason says:

      May 18 deaths 1003
      May 18 cases 22630

      May 25 deaths 505
      May 25 cases 19790

      May 24
      Deaths 617
      Cases 19608

      IHME Model

      Projected Actual
      May 1 2343 1897 – 446
      May 2 2276 1691 – 585
      May 3 2265 1153 -1112
      May 4 2205 1324 – 881
      May 5 2180 2350 + 170
      May 6 2143 2528 + 385
      May 7 2097 2129 + 32
      May 8 2039 1687 – 352
      May 9 1971 1422 – 549
      May10 1921 750 – 1171
      May11 1898 1008 – 890
      May12 1803 1630 – 173
      May13 1774 1772 – 2
      May14 1740 1715 – 35
      May15 1703 1595 – 108
      May16 1662 1218 – 444
      May17 1615 865 – 750
      May18 1485 1003 – 483
      May19 1447 1552 +105
      May20 1413 1461 + 48
      May21 1386 1418 + 32
      May22 1364 1296 – 68
      May23 1346 1036 -310
      May24 1332 617 -715
      May25 1315 505 -810

    125. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      Project Veritas is at it again:

      “Basically, every death certificate that comes across our desk now has COVID on it,” said a funeral director in Williston Park, N.Y., on a recorded phone call with Project Veritas in a newly-released video. James O’Keefe has been asking for people inside the medical system to blow the whistle if they see corruption or inconsistencies in reports about the Chinese WuFlu known as COVID-19. In conversations with several funeral directors across New York City, O’Keefe uncovered a shocking narrative where, without fail, every director he spoke to expressed his or her concern that coronavirus deaths are being inflated and every death in NYC is being recorded as a COVID death with or without testing to confirm.

    126. Tgca says:

      My advice to Bitter is that he come to southwest Jersey for vacation if he can’t make it to Ireland. We have plenty of Irish and drunks here so you won’t miss a thing from Ireland vacationing in the Cherry Hill area scenic area with plenty of parks and plush greenery.

      You can spend your days with the deplorables at Walmart, Target, and Home Depot and dine in some of our finer establishments that have drive thru and pick-up service like Dunkin Donuts, Five Guys, Chick-fil-A…and we have a fine Jewish deli too if you’re missing some good ole matzo ball soup or knishes. Our Shop-rite especially caters to our Jewish friends and has many aisles of your favorite Jewish delectables.

    127. jason says:

      That b*tch Fauci is going down!”

      Not until he gets the Medal of Freedom!

    128. Phil says:

      Tomorrow’s numbers are going to be misleadingly bad just like today’s will be misleadingly good. Wed will suck too. It always does.

      Thursday and Friday’s numbers compared to last Thursday’s and Friday’s numbers should give us an idea where we are.

      If we were rid of NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago, LA, and Baltimore the national numbers would not be any more noticeable than flu numbers. Those cities were always blue state cesspools. Now we can add the term Petri dish to each of them.

    129. Country Dick Montana says:

      A Holiday death toll of 505. We can probably expect 2 to 3 times that tomorrow as the count catches up.

      Rolling 7 Day Average Deaths

      4/23 – 2178 Peak

      5/01 – 1938
      5/02 – 1884
      5/03 – 1884
      5/04 – 1875
      5/05 – 1858
      5/06 – 1878
      5/07 – 1867
      5/08 – 1837
      5/09 – 1799
      5/10 – 1741
      5/11 – 1704
      5/12 – 1635
      5/13 – 1534
      5/14 – 1481
      5/15 – 1469
      5/16 – 1439
      5/17 – 1456
      5/18 – 1448
      5/19 – 1402
      5/20 – 1342
      5/21 – 1294
      5/22 – 1250
      5/23 – 1224
      5/24 – 1189
      5/25 – 1118

    130. Country Dick Montana says:

      Rolling 7 Day Average Cases

      5/02 – 28585
      5/03 – 28709
      5/04 – 28926
      5/05 – 28838
      5/06 – 28414
      5/07 – 28215
      5/08 – 27515
      5/09 – 26652
      5/10 – 25645
      5/11 – 24714
      5/12 – 24429
      5/13 – 23894
      5/14 – 23582
      5/15 – 23214
      5/16 – 22923
      5/17 – 22861
      5/18 – 23494
      5/19 – 23135
      5/20 – 23196
      5/21 – 23330
      5/22 – 22945
      5/23 – 22722
      5/24 – 22682
      5/25 – 22387

    131. Phil says:

      Somehow, when I think of all those missing medical procedures including colonoscopies, cancer screenings and cancer checkups which will results in deaths down the line, as well as suicides, depression and financial ruin, medal of freedom isn’t exactly what pops into my mind.

    132. Tgca says:

      130

      Ha! The Dems will have an outcry if their scapegoat gets a Medal of a Freedom. Mark my words. A new impeachable offense they’ll claim for the guy who got it all wrong over and over and misled the gubbermint leaders to close the economies.

      The Dems new motto is going to be “Blame the Scientists” for our mistakes.

    133. Country Dick Montana says:

      Not until he gets the Medal of Freedom!

      Got one already from GWB in 2008.

    134. wvally says:

      Regarding Tinas post 126

      “We conservatively estimate that the national lockdown is responsible for at least 700k lost years of life every month (1.5M so far) — already far surpassing the COVID-19 total (800k).”

      I read a few weeks ago that over 600,000 cancer screenings have already been missed compared to screenings in the same time frame last year. We will probably have up to a million missed/delayed screenings by the time this is all said and done.

    135. jason says:

      The numbers will be higher but the trend is down.

      Remember when you thought we would have 2k deaths for weeks…. well the last 2k day was May 1. Of the last 10 days, 5 have been 1036 or less.

      May 1 was also the last 30k case day.

    136. Tgca says:

      135

      …of course the Dems will blame Trump too for relying on just one nitwit as an expert instead of having a full-fledged diverse team of experts.

      The unbiased gubbermint report from the COVID-19 investigation will detail this is why we will need more bureaucracy oversight to oversee the bureaucrats who got it wrong over and over and tricked the governors into closing their states for 3 months.

    137. wvally says:

      My mother in law (80) was diagnosed w covid a few days ago. Dr. In Maryland refused to prescribe her HCQ. Family is discussing whether I should offer her some of mine.

    138. Phil says:

      My wife’s Six month Pet Scan was put off four months. We live Pet Scan to Pet Scan. So no, not a fan of Fauci but to be fair, Trump is the one that bought into his advice. It was a huge mistake.

      I’m pretty pissed off about all of it.

    139. Bitterlaw says:

      History Channel’s Grant is solid so far.

    140. Phil says:

      Maybe get a second doctor’s opinion, wvally. He or she might give you a prescription.

    141. Tgca says:

      136

      Really? Fauci got a Medal of a Freedom in 2008? For what? Longest service bureaucrat at NIH?

      Can we take it back?

    142. jason says:

      Tgca’s vapid bleatings about Fauci just displays his shallow partisan bias.

    143. Tina says:

      There are daily protests and a recall effort against Governor Nuissance, 2000 protesters just days ago.

      This is what he saw today

      https://twitter.com/SilverPatriot1/status/1265046105630240768

    144. Tgca says:

      141. Phil

      Agree that ultimately Trump makes the call but if the call is based on so-called experts and its wrong, bench the experts and bring in other experts. No one expects any of the gubbermint leaders, Dem or GOP to be experts in matters of pandemics or how they spread. Fauci and the W.H.O. failed America from the onset. …and not the 1st time either.

      Give that medal back Fauci!

    145. wvally says:

      My in-laws in MD are moderate liberals. Highly educated, exec jobs, didn’t vote for trump. In our discussions I’ve been surprised to hear them talk about all the disinfo they feel is out there about covid. They’re pissed off they’re mom has not not been able to get medical care she needs. Her memory seems to be going. She can’t get a regular dr. Appt with full run of tests bc of the lockdowns. They are skeptical of the death rates. Interesting bc they’ve always been msm centric but it seems not anymore.

    146. jason says:

      ir, Trump is the one that bought into his advice. It was a huge mistake.”

      It was no mistake. Without a lockdown Trump would not have survived politically, even if the number of deaths was not different.

      We would have had more than 140k deaths, but even if the number was exactly the same, they would all have been blamed on Trump.

      They still are, but he has some credibility. Thanks to Fauci and Birx.

      If Trump does get re-elected, you can thank your lucky stars for Fauci.

    147. Tina says:

      Wvally, it’s a disaster.

      I spoke to a coronerstaff member in Napa. They had 3 deaths county wide from Covid. Suicides through the roof.

      Same thing stated at a major East Bay Hospital

    148. jason says:

      Fauci is a fine man, he has contributed about 2 million more times to the country than petty partisan hacks like Tgca, whose intellectual capacity can’t get beyond “but, but, but he once said something positive about Hillary”.

    149. wvally says:

      Phil says:
      May 25, 2020 at 9:27 pm
      Maybe get a second doctor’s opinion, wvally. He or she might give you a prescription.

      ***
      I hear you I suppose each Dr. has their own philosophy as to whether they are willing to prescribe it for covid or not. I have a huge supply bc of my lupus, I’ve been on it since 2008. she’s def in the vulnerable population and I’m just pissed of that drs have been propagandized against it.

      God forbid she takes a turn for the worse and I have this in my hands. She’s taking zinc I hope that helps.

    150. Tgca says:

      145

      Jadon is doing his daily deep throating of Fauci here as the evidence piles up the guy misjudged and misrepresented to gubbermint leaders of both parties.

      How is my critique of someone Trump supposedly supports partisan? Do you even know what that word means Llama Boy? Clearly, you copied the spelling off the internet but go read the definition and tell me how criticizing someone who Trump supports is partisan when I support Trump, the greatest POTUS evah!

    151. jason says:

      Agree that ultimately Trump makes the call but if the call is based on so-called experts and its wrong”

      Zzzzz…

      Seems to me so far he has made the right calls. And he has been well served by the experts HE appointed.

      The lockdown was necessary, whether medically or politically doesn’t matter. I think it was a combination of both.

      It is up to Trump now to say, ok the curve flattened, our goal is not zero cases or shut down the country until we have a vaccine, our goal is to get the country moving again while protecting the vulnerable and treating the sick.

    152. jason says:

      tell me how criticizing someone who Trump supports is partisan when I support Trump, the greatest POTUS evah!”

      Your criticism of Fauci is sophomoric and childish, just based on your perceived bias of Fauci as a “Democrat”.

      Really stupid.

      And yeah, I bet I can spell better than you can anyday.

      Oh yeah, I forgot, you probably are a literary genius too.

      GFY.

    153. Tina says:

      Zinc and d3 vitamin could help a bit, wvally.

      Tough call on the medicine though. Get a second.

    154. Tgca says:

      151

      You are confusing me with others here. Either that or you are lying to try and score some points because your constant adoration of Fauci is now showing what many of us knew of him from early on…he was a bureaucrat who was naive enough to listen to W.H.O. and give bad advice to gubbermint leaders at a crucial point in time.

      Other than maybe in jest, I never once commented that Fauci is a Hillary supporter is a problem because I did not even know that until some folks here claimed it.

      I could care less who he supported politically, as I expect most scientists, probably including Birx too, supported Clinton, as do probably most doctors I put my trust in fir my medical care. I can separate professional differences with politics, as I have done for years, living and working in some of the most liberal cities in the US.

      So if you have evidence that I EVER criticized Fauci simply for who he supported in 2016, please provide it or apologize b*tch for your erroneous statement.

    155. Tina says:

      Grassley is funny,

      ChuckGrassley
      @ChuckGrassley
      · 44m
      Nobody believes me when I say there is history on the HISTORY CHANNEL So chk out Grant is on history channel Monday Tuesday Wednesday 8 CT. Hard for me to believe this miracle too

    156. jason says:

      Tgca is an “expert” in a new field every week.

      What is the saying, his knowledge is a mile wide and an inch deep.

    157. jason says:

      Other than maybe in jest,”

      LOL

      Sounds like Joe Biden when he is caught saying something stupid.

    158. Tgca says:

      156

      Again? Lies! I never perceived him as a Dem. I perceived him as a bureaucrat.

      Please show me one statement where I claimed he was a Dem or should not be trusted because he was a Dem. I never said it because I never knew it until folks were posting it here. I bet Dr. Birx is a Dem too. I have no problem with her handling of this or grandstanding as Fauci did.

    159. jason says:

      I can separate professional differences with politics,”

      No you can’t.

      Everything has to be based on the most shallow, partisan basis possible.

      So either Trump is competent because he put together a great team on COVID-19, or he is incompetent because he didn’t.

      You can’t have it both ways.

      If you were honest, instead of a partisan hack, you would say, Fauci and Birx may be Democrats, but they are trying to do the right thing for the country.

    160. Robbie says:

      Phil says:
      May 25, 2020 at 9:24 pm
      My wife’s Six month Pet Scan was put off four months. We live Pet Scan to Pet Scan. So no, not a fan of Fauci but to be fair, Trump is the one that bought into his advice. It was a huge mistake.

      I’m pretty pissed off about all of it.

      – My Mom had her aortic valve replace on February 25. She has not yet been able to attend cardiac rehab because the nonsense.

      The medical closures are a disgrace.

    161. Tgca says:

      159

      Deflection as usual. Next will come “your ma we got another one” which we all know is what you do when you get caught lying or being wrong and can no longer defend your argument and want to move on.

      I challenge you! You are a f*cking liar. Prove to me and everyone here where I ever criticized Fauci for supporting Hillary. I could care less of his politics.

      As I said, Dr. Birx and probably 95% of anyone Trump would put on his expert team would probably be Dem supporters, as that is how the science world generally goes.

    162. jason says:

      You are a f*cking liar.”

      Zzzzz…..

      You have been posting partisan garbage and lies about Fauci for weeks, and as usual when you are caught lying, which is often, you come up with “I can’t be wrong because I am an expert in this”.

      You need to grow up.

    163. Tgca says:

      159

      This is rich coming from someone who in a previous thread was mocked for trying to give medical advice. Where’s your medical or science training from Llama Boy?

      At least, I can say I am paid very handsomely and have been recruited all over the US in my respective field by multi-billion Fortune 500 companies, and have actually provided expert testimony in my subject matter expertise a number of times.

      What is your area of expertise that qualifies you to give opinions on politics, economics, and science?

    164. Bitterlaw says:

      Any chance people can stop saying gubermint? It was stupid when Rush started using it in the 80s broadcasting on WABC radio in (770 AM) and it has not gotten any better since.

    165. Tgca says:

      165

      Again, I challenge you to show me where I was against Fauci for his politics? You made the accusation. Show us all it here.

      I was always against Fauci for being the gullible professor never because of whom he supported in 2016.

      If you can’t prove it then you mine as well start with your cop out of

      “Ma we got another one”

    166. jason says:

      Tgca gets a little emotional when you can read him like a book.

      But believe me, it is not a very “deep” book.

    167. Tgca says:

      167

      I’m taking the gubbermint cue from my friend Tina. It’s fun to make fun of gubbermint bureaucrats, almost as much fun as it is to make fun of lawyers.

      PS. I use 2 “b’s” in my spelling unless you find a typo.

    168. Tgca says:

      169

      Deflection. Show the post b*tch!! Where did I criticize Fauci for supporting Clinton in 2016.

    169. jason says:

      Any chance people can stop saying gubermint?”

      I doubt it.

      I am sure those who say it think it is clever.

    170. jason says:

      I’m taking the gubbermint cue”

      Yeah, you take a lot of cues…

    171. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca thinks Trump can do no wrong. Trump relied upon Fauci. Tgca just can’t wrap his expert brain around this.

    172. Tgca says:

      167 Bitter

      FYI. I did not know that was a Rush creation. I never really followed him but at least I know where to send the royalties now.

    173. jason says:

      Where did I criticize Fauci for supporting Clinton in 2016.”

      Move the goalpost alert! You already admitted you said it “in jest”. Whatever.

      I said that is why you insist on lying about his record and his statements, because of shallow, partisan, petty motives.

    174. jason says:

      Tgca just can’t wrap his expert brain around this.”

      Yep, that is the problem.

      Poor bastard is conflicted, wants to have it both ways, expert brain is fried.

    175. Phil says:

      Fauci isn’t helping by using his testimony to lobby for school closings in September. If schools remain closed the country ain’t opening. Fauci knows this.

      I don’t trust him. If he’s for delaying opening the country then I have a real problem with that.

      We flattened the curve Dr. Fauci. Now if you really meant that as the ultimate goal and not a gateway into perpetual closing, STFU.

    176. jason says:

      Bitter, I am watching Grant, I only need about 5% of my brain to counter Tgca’s silly rants.

    177. jason says:

      Phil, Fauci doesn’t decide any school closings.

      He can give his position, which I am sure he honest about.

      Trump can weigh it against other considerations, as well as the governors.

      You are advocating the wrong role for Fauci.

    178. Tgca says:

      174

      I think there is plenty Trump has done wrong or should have done better, but I can’t think of anything Hillary, Pelosi, or Schumer would do that I trust better.

      Trump relies on too many folks and easily puts his trust in them. He should have cleaned house when was took office. He surrounded himself with bad folks like Cohen. He should not Twitter over spats unless he’s being facetious. He should not always say how great his admin is doing or he does.

      There’s plenty to fault Trump here for but he and the governors relied on Fauci and friends in the beginning and were misled. There should be accountability for that. At a minimum, demote Fauci and bring in others who have more well-rounded experience even if chances are most of them voted for Hillary.

    179. Phil says:

      I can tell you this regarding schools after talking to my teacher friend, school by computer is a fricken joke. Some kids don’t have computers and the ones that do about half are even bothering to participate. This directly from teachers. Any superintendent who says we can have school from home over a computer is talking out his ass.

    180. SanDiegoCitizen says:

      152. “I hear you I suppose each Dr. has their own philosophy as to whether they are willing to prescribe it for covid or not. I have a huge supply bc of my lupus,”

      Take this advice from someone who was around during the AIDS epidemic.

      This is ultimately your mother-in-law, you, and your family’s choice. Since its not officially approved for treatment of CORVID-19, you cannot expect a doctor to make the decision for you. You can inform a doctor that your mother-in-law, with the support of her family, has decided to take the drug, and ask the doctor to monitor her condition.

      Also, your mother-in-law, with the support of her family, may decide on a short trial run of the drug. Maybe 2-3 days, at low dose, to see if it helps. Would also suggest you read up on all the literature regarding the drug –including dosage, and what the first signs of any side effects would be.

    181. Phil says:

      Fauci was using his megaphone for pushing back the opening of school. It gives blue state governors cover to do just that in September….which makes opening the economy just that much harder.

      We flattened the curve. Now I want Fauci to acknowledge that has been accomplished and get out of the way. Let Rahm’s brother advocate for closing the economy forever. Fauci isn’t helping.

    182. jason says:

      here’s plenty to fault Trump here for but he and the governors relied on Fauci and friends in the beginning and were misled.”

      And that is a lie, Fauci never misled anybody.

      He gave the best advice with the information available.

      And he might have saved Trump’s Presidency.

      As I stated above, Trump would not have survived 140k deaths if he had not ordered a lockdown.

      Anybody who thinks otherwise is delusional.

    183. Phil says:

      Plus Fauci’s remarks about sports really got me peeved. The old man is trying to get between me and my football.

      Nobody gets between me and my football.

    184. Tgca says:

      176

      Just to prove you wrong again, because either you’re lying or having problems with sentence comprehension. I did not say I made a statement in jest, I stated the following in 157 above.

      “Other than maybe in jest, I never once commented that Fauci is a Hillary supporter is a problem because I did not even know that until some folks here claimed it.”

      I qualified the “jest” as maybe if ever said which is my point of saying unless you took something I may have teased about seriously, I never believed Fauci’s politics was an issue here. That is just common sense. So again, I just proved your characterization of my statement wrong.

      That’s what you claim when some here disagrees with you on Fauci.

      You never admit fault.
      You deflect.
      ..and then you start with name calling.

      Again, show me the post where I argued against Fauci because he supported Clinton in 2016.

      All this wasted time, you should have been able to find it by now if you really recall me stating that.

      Put up or shut up.

    185. Phil says:

      Oh, I didn’t opposed the flattening of the curve and the initial shutdown. Politically, Trump would NOT have survived an initial carnage. My problem is the continued closings past the first 4 or 5 wks and the moving goals here.

      We accomplished Fauci’s original goal already.

      Enough.

    186. jason says:

      We flattened the curve. Now I want Fauci to acknowledge that has been accomplished and get out of the way. Let Rahm’s brother advocate for closing the economy forever. Fauci isn’t helping.”

      He is not there to “help” open schools, that is BS and not his role.

      He is there to advise on the medical issues pertaining to the pandemic. He is not using a “megaphone” for anything, in fact I think his recommendations about reopening schools make sense.

      I have not heard Fauci say schools cannot reopen.

      “Absolutely not,” Fauci said, when asked if a lack of a vaccine meant students couldn’t return to school.”

    187. Bitterlaw says:

      The idea that Fauci is to be blamed for the shutdown is absurd. Trump declared he had the power to order a shutdown (doubtful) and is now beholden to the Governors who actually have the power to reopen states.

    188. jason says:

      ..and then you start with name calling.”

      LOL

      You are a f*cking liar.”

      Look, I know you are confused.

      You actually thought my pointing out that your silly, sophomoric, partisan and petty attacks on Fauci are just politics as usual was “bait”.

      Really stupid.

    189. jason says:

      “The idea that Fauci is to be blamed for the shutdown is absurd.”

      Tgca is between a rock and a hard place.

      He can’t deal with the thought Trump could make a mistake so he has to lie his head off about Fauci.

    190. Tgca says:

      192

      “You are a f*cking liar” is a statement. And an accurate one too because you have yet to produce evidence to your claim. Still waiting.

    191. Robbie says:

      There’s no doubt Fauci used his public testimony to the Senate two weeks ago to advocate for not opening schools in the Fall. He wants the lockdowns to continue and he knows our economy can’t fully reopen if schools are closed.

      It’s fair to say Fauci is just one voice and he doesn’t make the decision, but we all know Fauci is treated as if he’s Moses delivering the Ten Commandants by the press and many others. If he says it, left wing governors and left wing Republicans will hide behind his words.

      I’m not willing to put my faith in Fauci. He’s been all over the map the last four months, but it’s quite clear he wants a lockdown for as long as he can make it happen.

      Trump’s big mistake was giving Fauci a megaphone and then not layering over Fauci when it became clear Fauci was an advocate of an indefinite lockdown.

    192. jason says:

      ow I want Fauci to acknowledge that has been accomplished and get out of the way”

      Hopefully that won’t happen.

      Trump still needs Fauci a lot more than Fauci needs Trump.

      Fauci gives Trump gravitas and credibility.

      It doesn’t mean Trump has to accept all his recommendations. He has to weigh them and make his own decision.

    193. Phil says:

      Ccome on. The guy has a megaphone whether he consciously uses it or not.

      Why do you think the House Democrats screamed bloody murder when he wasn’t allowed to testify before them? Was it because they really really really just wanted to get his expert opinion on anything. Don’t make me laugh. Hell no, they wanted to hear him give testimony , any testimony they could get out of him, that would be helpful to their desire to keep the country closed as long as humanly possible. After all, they have an election to win in November.

    194. jason says:

      There’s no doubt Fauci used his public testimony to the Senate two weeks ago to advocate for not opening schools in the Fall. He wants the lockdowns to continue and he knows our economy can’t fully reopen if schools are closed.”

      Facts not in evidence.

      I listened to the testimony. Nowhere did Fauci ever say schools could not open. What he said was there would be wide differences on how schools could open depending where they were located, and there would have to be a lot of precautions.

      The accusation that he “wants schools close so the economy doesn’t reopen” is just baseless character assassination.

      NOTHING he has ever said indicates that. Nada. Zilch.

    195. Bitterlaw says:

      Why does Fauci want perpetual lockdown?

      Deep State conspiracy theories in 3…2…1…

    196. Tgca says:

      I don’t blame Fauci for the shutdown, as I said before that ultimately was with Trump and the governors. Go see that comment in 147 please.

      I blame him for negligence and being fooled by China and the W.H.O when someone in his position for 40+ years as a gubbermint expert bureaucrat should know you would never take a communist country’s word for anything, especially when they were denying access to any outside experts, and especially something this important.

      He then used his expertise to influence leaders to make decisions. When that happens in Corp America, folks get fired or demoted because their expertise was relied upon to make a decision and therefore it looks like he misrepresented the advice he should have given.

      Would you accept the fact if a cardiac surgeon told you your wife needed life saving surgery within hours or she would die? If he later he was wrong, would you say, oh, no big deal? That is the point, we rely on the experts to do due diligence before giving advice. Fauci did not!

    197. jason says:

      Why do you think the House Democrats screamed bloody murder when he wasn’t allowed to testify before them?”

      Because they want to try to drive a wedge between him and Trump.

      Those here that are attacking Fauci are actually doing what the Democrats want.

      They would love nothing more than having Fauci eliminated so that they tear Trump apart.

      Fauci is in their way.

    198. Phil says:

      Is keeping the schools closed in the fall consistent with “just flattening the curve”?

      Not even close. That was a little window into where this guy is coming from as far as the length of closings. It was a rather large window actually.

    199. Tina says:

      All I know, the less Fauci is seen on tc, the more the market rises.

      The more he is seen, the market falls.

    200. Tina says:

      Seen on tv*

    201. jason says:

      I blame him for negligence and being fooled by China and the W.H.O when someone in his position for 40+ years as a gubbermint expert bureaucrat”

      Zzzzzzz…. what a crock of crap.

    202. Tgca says:

      196

      BS. Trump could have assembled a More wide-ranging panel of experts that could have given that same credibility like he did when he was using business leaders in business matters for the country. But that goes to my previous point on Trump trusting folks too easily. Of course, most of those paneled experts probably would have been HRC supporters in 2016 too but who cares when something is this important. I fault Trump for relying on one guy and then getting stuck with him because of the MSM and political pressure of otherwise firing or demoting him.

    203. jason says:

      Is keeping the schools closed in the fall consistent with “just flattening the curve”?

      Straw argument. False premise.

      That wasn’t the question he was asked, and that was not the answer he gave.

    204. Tina says:

      Fauci has a pattern of misses.

      Always behind the curve, not up to it, and definitely not ahead od it,

    205. Tgca says:

      205

      Great argument as to why you disagree.

      This is up there with your:

      “Ma we got another one”

    206. jason says:

      I fault Trump for relying on one guy and then getting stuck with him because of the MSM and political pressure of otherwise firing or demoting him.”

      Delusional rants with no basis in reality.

    207. Phil says:

      Look, I have a wife that is not getting monitored like she needs to be because of all this continued BS and I don’t like it….and it isn’t just me. The same thing is happening to tens of thousands of families in the same predicament.

      It’s completely wrong.

    208. jason says:

      Tgca is lying about Fauci, and lying about why is lying about Fauci.

      Hilarious.

    209. Tina says:

      Barstool throws down with the following sharp attack against Redactstein and Mulehead

      “What happened to the president in the 2016 election; and throughout the first two years of his administration was abhorrent. It was a grave injustice and it was unprecedented in American history.”

    210. jason says:

      Look, I have a wife that is not getting monitored like she needs to be because of all this continued BS and I don’t like it….and it isn’t just me. The same thing is happening to tens of thousands of families in the same predicament.

      It’s completely wrong.”

      I agree, but I certainly don’t blame Fauci.

      Blame the governors and the local health officials.

    211. Tina says:

      Trust the WHO, DONT trust The Who

      Don’t do travel ban, do travel ban

      Don’t wear a mask, wear a mask.

      Trust the models, don’t trust the models.

      This is what the gubment doctors said before and after. Blinded by dumb models, no science, and poor guesses. They wrecked healthcare for people without Covid, spiked unemployment and suicides,

      Phuq them all.

    212. Phil says:

      I’m not blaming Fauci for that specifically but if he wants to speak out on something it would sure be nice if he’d start with that. Seems it would be a no brainer to everyone but Rahm’s brother.

    213. Bitterlaw says:

      I am sorry that Phil and his wife have suffered.

    214. Tina says:

      And the wet market bs really takes the cake.

    215. Tina says:

      This virus originated in The Wuhan Lab.

      But muh wet market.

    216. Phil says:

      Bitter, when am I getting my interview before the membership committee?

    217. Bitterlaw says:

      What is the source for this claim of lockdown suicides? I hope it is not the same one that claims so many military/veteran suicides every year without citations.

    218. Tgca says:

      Let me give an example I came across years ago why some scientific experts are not always the best folks to speak to matters publicly and reminds me of Fauci.

      I was sitting in a deposition and our very qualified and well-degreed scientific expert who was the manager of the team responsible for the area under litigation could not answer certain of the oppositions legal inquiries. They got him all confused and tongue tied with a bunch of confusing statements he made. They got him to actually make inaccurate statements and contradict himself. We finally took a break and realized this was a disaster. Our lawyer was frantic because he realized we could lose the case on this witness. Luckily, this was long drawn out case so after the deposition, he was removed as the expert witness before we went to litigation with someone equally qualified that could better analyze and strategize how to answer “gotcha” questions.

      We ended up prevailing for a $150+M but only after we got rid of the guy who could have lost us the case. He was not fired but it was clear he was not the guy to be giving commentary and advice publicly even though he was quite qualified as he lead the team responsible for the work.

      Sound like any gubbermint experts we know folks?

    219. Bitterlaw says:

      Still waiting to hear from Gov. Wolf on our waiver, Phil. You would think A-holes would be deemed essential in a crisis.

    220. Tina says:

      Source on suicide

      The head of a California hospital’s trauma team says his area has seen more death from lockdown suicides than from the pandemic itself.

      “We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” Dr. Mike deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, just outside of Oakland, told ABC7 of the apparent mental health crisis.

      https://abc7.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6204524/

    221. Tgca says:

      212

      Again. Deflection. See 209 and repeat.

    222. Phil says:

      Oh, God. It’s in the hands of Wolf? I’m screwed. LOL

    223. Bitterlaw says:

      Tgca – You forgot 2 other possibilities. Your lawyer sucked because he did not prep him for the gotcha questions OR the first expert was too honest to give the answers you wanted.

    224. Tgca says:

      So sorry to hear about your wife Phil. That is frustrating. I have a friend who survived cancer and needs to be monitored a few times a year and could not get into see the doctor until very recently. You can’t do FaceTime interviews for something like that. Too risky and makes people worry a lot. Luckily things are good so far for my friend.

    225. Bitterlaw says:

      One doctor in one hospital? Ok. I guess we can expect 10 million suicides nationally based on that.

    226. Bitterlaw says:

      I am not defending the lockdowns after the first 2 weeks. I would open everything now. If you want to wear a mask, wear it. I will gladly throw mine away.

    227. Tina says:

      No, but you can see several articles written. Throughout the us on it,

      So, if you are claiming suicides are not spiking, then you are lost.

      Your policy was stupid.

    228. Tina says:

      More Gubment doctor bs.

      2 weeks to slow the spread, becamee 30 days, then 3 months.

    229. Tina says:

      Slow the spread became lay-off and shutter hospitals and medical groups.

    230. Bitterlaw says:

      My policy? Sorry, Tina. I get no credit. Take it up with Trump. It was his policy.

    231. Tina says:

      And thankfully the Tik Tok nurses dancing videos are done.

      Way to further piss folks off.

    232. Tgca says:

      228. Bitter

      Contradicting your statements you said 5 minutes before is not about honesty. He just started getting confused and as the opposing lawyer pushed him on specifics he just started getting himself twisted in a pretzel and he got more flustered. The opposing lawyer and everyone in the room could see this and he did what any good lawyer did, he went in for the kill. The damage was done. We did what we could. Take a break! I’m sure you know as a lawyer, you cannot guide the right answers of your client during a deposition.

      He was prepped, as we all are when we testify, and he did not exhibit such bad responses. In fact, he was often known for pontificating so he sounded a lot more knowledgeable than he demonstrated in the depo. He was a smart guy. He just bombed. It happens.

      My guess is he caved under pressure when it was live, and he could not think clearly on what he should and should not say. It happens but when it involves a $150M litigation, it is not good.

    233. jason says:

      Phil, under Wolf’s orders, we can only have one A-hole at a time at the Club, so until we can fit in a few more A-holes your application is on hold.

    234. Tina says:

      A policy you supported.

    235. jason says:

      More Gubment doctor bs.

      2 weeks to slow the spread, becamee 30 days, then 3 months.”

      This sounds like NYC.

      Trump has nothing to do with spending bills, he only signs them.

    236. Tgca says:

      232 Tina

      Please refrain from using “Gubment” as I found it distresses some folks here. I am not going to mention names but the person is originally from the Sewer State. Just some friendly advice so we all can keep the peace here and have respectful exchange of ideas and commentary.

    237. Phil says:

      Wolf again. Figures. Everything is perpetual with that guy. Lockdowns, holds on membership applications….. I hate that guy.

    238. Bitterlaw says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Trump supported it a lot longer than I did, Tina. Sorry that you can’t admit Trump has responsibility on this.

    239. Tina says:

      “Please refrain from using “Gubment”.

      I also was told to refrain from using gestapo and Fuhrer, when referring to Corrupt fib officials/mulehead.

    240. Tina says:

      This is stupid.

      Bitterlaw says:
      May 25, 2020 at 11:40 pm
      Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Trump supported it a lot longer than I did, Tina. Sorry that you can’t admit Trump has responsibility on this.

    241. Tgca says:

      230

      Agree with Bitter. Time to move on. Wear a mask if it makes you feel more comfortable. Bitter prefers not and that is fine.

      I saw in another post where Bitter said he plans to go vote in person so I support that and will even drive him if he needs a ride.

      *cough cough*
      *hack hack*
      *ACHOO!!!*

    242. Bitterlaw says:

      244 Well, it did show both a sad lack of historical knowledge AND an appalling lack of respect towards the victims of Nazism but, hey, you thought it was clever.

    243. Tina says:

      It will be Mccmasters time coming up in the Russian hoax saga.

      Won’t be good for Mcmasters.

      Remember when the Jebot praised this stooge?

    244. Tgca says:

      241 Tina

      Now that’s funny. I approve Trump to use this on Twitter because it makes a point and is humorous without causing a spat…I think.

    245. Bitterlaw says:

      Good night. I have to get up early for my 30 second commute to the office/kitchen in the morning.

    246. jason says:

      Bitter, Trump only appointed the task force and only followed its advice.

      He really has nothing to do with the policy.

      The problem is “guvmint” doctors.

    247. Tina says:

      Only in your world. I don’t support gubment using nazi like tactics, such as in the Roger stone cans.

      I am no fan of stone, but why would corrupt fib need to do a raid on an elderly man without a passport.

      That is an abuse of power.

    248. Tina says:

      Bl will not admit that the tweet is funny, tgca.

      He will be appalled with it tomorrow.

    249. jason says:

      Bitter is right.

      Comparing what happened to Stone with the Holocaust IS an appalling lack of respect for the victims.

    250. Tina says:

      Zzzzzz

      Go post how wonderful the gubment doctors are with their predictions based on bad models and junk science.

    251. Tina says:

      I guess in the next few weeks we will find out why McMaster hired the whistleblower whose fi4st name is Eric.

      I forgot his last name, it was Italian I think.

    252. jason says:

      Wolf again. Figures. Everything is perpetual with that guy. Lockdowns, holds on membership applications….. I hate that guy.”

      A real a-hole.

    253. Victrc says:

      With regards to Fauci, as much as we want everyone in Trump’s sphere to be as conservative as possible, Fauci was a very necessary and valuable part of combatting this virus.

      A good CEO evaluates all the positives and negatives someone brings and then utilizes their skill set to the benefit of the team and the situation.

      Fauci brought 40 years experience dealing with infectious diseases, as well as the gravitas of holding this position for a long time…and, since he is an avid Hillary supporter, he brings a certain gravitas and validation/legitimacy to the administration at a time when Trump needed Americans to listen to him in order to flatten the curve.

      His positions and recommendations should be assessed for how they apply to the virus and its handling from a scientific perspective, and weigh them against the economic cost and that is what Trump did. When his expertise was less necessary and the economy took precedent Trump slowly relied on him less and the results are America is slowly getting back.

      This is what a good CEO does. Fauci was very valuable to the team. Fauci is not infallible. Fauci’ s influence on the situation is less than it used to be, for reason.

      All can be true

    254. jason says:

      Go post how wonderful the gubment doctors are with their predictions based on bad models and junk science.”

      I will text Trump with your opinion about his team.

    255. jason says:

      Very good summary Vic.

      And on the other side we have “but, but, Fauci praised Hillary”.

    256. Tina says:

      Text him that I also want a case of,lime cello and a case of opus.

      Thanks,

    257. Tgca says:

      …and on the other side we have Fauci being gullible and not doing due diligence early on when most needed that then trapped Trump and the governors because he can’t be chastised or fired or all hell would break loose with the MSM and libs.

      A good CEO would tell Fauci to keep his mouth shut and answer only specific questions and not keep changing his story and going on TV and getting suckered into hypotheticals that were aimed to scare folks and damage Trump. That is exactly what a good CEO would do. Make sure the situation was controlled and that Fauci input was very constrained.

      I guess Trump is not a good CEO in this case because he did not control Fauci’s role from the start or better yet convene a full panel of experts from varying areas to challenge one another instead of relying on one 40+ year bureaucrat who made numerous missteps upfront so that now even the NY governor is starting the blame game…soon to be followed by many others I predict.

      At least we can say Trump is learning as a CEO since he shut down Fauci from testifying in the a House and is relying on his input less for opening the economy.

      Let’s see how well-respected America thinks Fauci is when the governors all start blaming his bad science for their use in making economic decisions, as if they will say they made bad decisions…and let’s see how honest the MSM will cover this if it appears governors will face the scrutiny. My guess is the MSM will find a way to blame Fauci the same way they were all so surprised how Avenatti misled them, as if they only knew all along about Avenatti.

    258. Tgca says:

      So now we have a GOP governor explaining that the models and predictions have lost credibility. Doesn’t go as far as Cuomo did but I believe this may be the start of something that both sides of governors will use to shift blame from their economic decisions.

      https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/05/25/ar-gov-hutchinson-projections-and-modeling-have-lost-a-lot-of-credibility/

    259. Tgca says:

      So what’s the new Dem slogan gonna be to shift blame for them making decisions that killed their state economies?

      I have two that can be tested with focus groups, all wearing masks and sitting six feet apart of course.

      “Trust the science but not the scientists“ or

      “I was against the lockdown before I was for it.”

      You decide!

    260. Tgca says:

      Another tricky one. This one for CA Dems.

      CA is being careful and walking back on keeping churches closed. A hefty support base of the Dems in CA are older black women and various groups of Latino men and women who are big attendees of church and various socializing centered around it. They may have some other conservative views but these groups are generally bigger gubbermint supporters that the Dems need to keep happy or risk decreased turnout in Nov if the anger persists over church activities.

      https://www.breitbart.com/news/california-issues-guidelines-for-church-reopenings-2/

    261. Tgca says:

      Wow! Ilhan Omar, I believe Tara was sexually assaulted by Biden…justice should be delayed but never be denied…but Biden was not my choice for nominee…but I will support Biden.

      I read that as Ilhan’s way of saying:

      “Biden tried to forcefully stick his fingers in her genitals…but I’m still voting for Biden over Trump because Trump once fat shamed some woman on Twitter and that’s just mean!…not to mention unacceptable behavior and immediate disqualification for POTUS.

      https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/05/25/ilhan-omar-i-will-vote-for-biden-even-though-i-believe-tara-reade/

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    263. jason says:

      If Wolf owned a casino, maybe they would reopen sooner in PA too…

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      253. The tweet was funny. GFY.

      What happened to Stone was horrible. When they seized him, beat him, forced him into a cattle car without food and water, and then gassed him and burned his body was a crime against humanity. Oh? What? Never mind.

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    270. Tina says:

      Another reason why the market is roaring today is TSA Passenger travel hit 2 months high.

    271. jason says:

      The Wizard can put anything he wants on the black list. It is his site.”

      Whining sometimes helps.

      He took stuff off the blacklist.

    272. jason says:

      What happened to Stone was horrible. When they seized him, beat him, forced him into a cattle car without food and water, and then gassed him and burned his body was a crime against humanity”

      Didn’t they kill his family and seize his assets too?

    273. mnw says:

      Tina

      I suspect a V is coming too. There is such a thing as a “buyer’s panic.”

      The wit & wisdom of the HHR:

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    274. jason says:

      I have been buying drugs like crazy from the bots here to help the economy.

    275. jason says:

      Roadkill Maggot was going to “nibble around 17k”.

      His excuse for his epic fail is that the “government took over the stock market”.

      We will hit 100k deaths today.

      I am sure Roadkill Maggot will be here to celebrate while complaining that it is not enough.

    276. Tina says:

      Breaking

      Consumer confidence rebounds in April. 86.6 vs 82.3 expected

      April New homes sales up 0.6% to 623,000 annual rate.

    277. Tina says:

      Mnw, Yes, it’s beginning to look more and more like a v shaped recovery. And we are not fully opened. I cannot think of many states that reopened in April, as one of the business writers suggested.

    278. Robbie says:

      Bitterlaw says:
      May 25, 2020 at 10:57 pm
      Why does Fauci want perpetual lockdown?

      – It’s like how supporters of communism view its demise.

      It didn’t fail because it didn’t work. It failed because it wasn’t given enough time to work.

      He believes the lockdown will wipeout coronavirus is with just stick with it long enough.

    279. Phil says:

      Politico is rapidly becoming my favorite of the hate Trump rags. Now they have a story up discussing Democrats’ fears that Trump will refuse to leave office should he lose in November. The Russia thing failed. The Ukraine thing failed. Now we have a new Trump conspiracy. They had to really reach for this one, but you have to give it to them. The MSM is relentless.

    280. Tina says:

      Dow 17000 was the mother of all Wrong calls in HHR History over the last year.

      Who would wait for Dow 17000 and miss the rebound to 25000?

    281. Robbie says:

      Considering the sharp, deep drop in economic activity, there was always going to be a V recovery, at least at the start. The question is whether the recovery stays in a consistent upward trend or slows to a more gradual increase. The latter is certainly what the S&P 500 chart is showing.

    282. Phil says:

      I don’t know about Fauci but the we just didn’t give it time to work will be the drivel coming out of the MSM.

    283. janz says:

      #258. A fair and diplomatic analysis of Fauci’s relationship with Trump.

    284. Tina says:

      The housing numbers do not suggest a 2008 repeat.

      In my area, Lots of sale pendings. Prices are also rising

    285. Pitchaboy says:

      3rd Q is going to be double digit up. That combined with an impending vaccine will trounce SLO JO.

    286. Phil says:

      I’ve been going to the gym since they opened up last Friday. Talked to the owner yesterday. She says she thinks about half her customers are back coming so far. Suggested Guidelines Call for masks and gloves. She said whoever came up with that one has never worked out so she said no to that one. When you enter the gym you are handed a spray bottle of disinfectant and you grab a clean towel out of the box. Wipe down the machine or bar before and after you use it. Bring your own water or fill your bottle but no drinking directly from the Water fountain. Wash your hands when you have finished your workout. Pretty simple.

    287. Phil says:

      Mortgage interest rates are at 3.25%. The housing industry will be fine.

    288. Tina says:

      Phil those measures do seem simple and wise.

    289. Tina says:

      The Curve Is Bent. Time to Free Us! Retweeted

      Jeremy Boreing
      @JeremyDBoreing
      ·
      16m
      Essentially the virus kills retirees, so naturally the government’s response was to destroy 36M jobs while exposing as many retirees as possible.
      Quote Tweet

      The Curve Is Bent. Time to Free Us!
      @NolteNC
      · 19m
      The coronavirus fatality rate if you are 50 or under is 0.1% or 1 in 1,000 — which is the same as the everyday flu.

      Had Democrat governors not committed Cuomocide by pouring infection into nursing homes, the death and overall fatality and

    290. Phil says:

      I think those tweets about summed it all up nicely, Tina.

    291. Robbie says:

      I’ll be the first to admit, I thought a two to three week shutdown was an appropriate idea. Of course, I didn’t think we were being too about how long it would last and that flatten the curve was a trick.

      Now, I clearly think we overreacted with a complete shutdown. And if any governor tries this again in the Fall, there should be lawsuits and, if necessary, large protests and civil disobedience.

      I don’t care if cases increase again in the late Fall. We cannot as a nation deprive people of their right to work and live as they see fit.

    292. jason says:

      He believes the lockdown will wipeout coronavirus is with just stick with it long enough.”

      BS. He believes no such thing and never said that.

      He believes the lockdown saves lives, and a cautious reopening saves lives. He is right.

      Trump has to decide whether he thinks it is now time to manage COVID-19 like the flu, where you take precautions, treat the sick, and move on. There is no wrong or right on either approach.

      Trump trusts Fauci and uses his input in his decisions, and that is how it should be. Contrary to all the garbage written here, Fauci is not advocating any “lockdown forever”, he is not advocating that schools cannot reopen. He is fulfilling the role Trump appointed him to fulfill.

    293. Phil says:

      I think most everyone was fine with a three week shutdown, Robbie. Nobody on our side anticipated that the bend the curve thing was just a gateway to a shutdown with no end in site. The goalposts were quietly moved by the left and their organs in the MSM. Governors like dimwit in Michigan have no intention of opening up this summer. With cases rapidly lessoning by mid June the battle cry will shift to “we can’t open up because it might come back”

      Some panic in the media today that the economy will be gaining steam this fall – that’s bad because it will be good for Trump. Consequently, more damage has to be done by blue state governors. Their theme with regards to opening up will be resist resist resist.

    294. Tina says:

      Phil, simple and to the point.

      And most importantly accurate.

      Venthoarder and mini venthoarder should have realized that returning covid patients to nursing homes was beyond dumb,

      They had Washington state as a early model for it.

    295. Phil says:

      Fine. We bent the damned curve already. It’s been bent and double bent for a month now. Hospital capacity is down below where it was before all this happened. Medical workers furloughed. Rural hospitals going under. Are we saving lives now? See the suicide rate and the deaths now and down the road of people with other health conditions like cancer, etc.

      Enough.

    296. Tina says:

      Venthoarder is blaming cdc guidelines.

      They are guidelines and the cdc is a disaster.

      Another agency the drats ruined, like the Fib and the Cia before.

      The issue is guidelines are not law. Moreover, venthoarder codified this into an executive order. With all the wasted resources thrown at Ny, it had more than enough facilities to hold Covid nursing home patients.

    297. Phil says:

      Hey, the lockdown did accomplish one thing.

      We now have 100,00 ventilators sitting around. Oh goodie. Remember in April all the media could talk about was ventilators. Where are the ventilators? Notice they got off of that one in a hurry and it vanished down the memory hole.

    298. Tina says:

      Excell ventilators, excess PPE, and excess testing kits.

      Nobody wants the test.

    299. Phil says:

      You’ll take the test and you’ll like it!!!

    300. jason says:

      Fat Pricker like clockwork, 2500 cases. He is jealous of NJ and wants to come in #2 after Cuomo.

    301. Tina says:

      I would do an antibody one, Phil.

    302. Robbie says:

      It looks like KKK Northam wants in on the big case loads. Another 1300 cases today.

    303. Phil says:

      Pricker with just 2500?

      I had the over and under at 3500 on the day after a holiday.

      He’s slipping.

    304. Tina says:

      2nd week of China Biden’s you ain’t black

      Johnny Verhovek
      @JTHVerhovek
      ·
      34m
      .
      @WhipClyburn
      on
      @TheView
      on his reaction when he heard Biden’s “you ain’t black” comments: “I cringed, no question about that.”

    305. Phil says:

      Look for Wolf to deliver big today.

    306. jason says:

      New Jersey seems to be winding down.

      “New Jersey’s 71 hospitals reported 2,755 patients with confirmed or suspected coronavirus cases as of Sunday night, down 66% from the peak in hospitalizations on April 14, when 8,084 patients were being treated. The state had 719 patients in critical or intensive care, with 540 on ventilators, as of Sunday night.”

    307. jason says:

      You could be right Phil, Fat Pricker not in yet, that was yesterday.

    308. jason says:

      Germany active cases:

      April 6 72,685
      May 26 11,161

      And that is with a lot of reopening

    309. Phil says:

      Expect Texas to be up today but that is because a number of counties didn’t report yesterday.

      What’s with Spain? Haven’t given us any numbers in a couple of days now.

    310. mnw says:

      Which poster is/was “Roadkill Maggot”?

    311. VictrC says:

      So on queue, CNN releases an article that states that there cases are rising in 18 states because of opening, and cites, GA, FL and Arkansas, making the claim that the Arkansas gov is stating they are in a second wave because of opening up

      They make no distinction that cases are up marginally in some places (Texas from 800 to about 950) because of increased testing.

      In CA, the only “surge” is in LA county… where people are far less apt to follow regulations than the red states they claim are failing to wear masks.

      Then HuffPo releases a story saying Trump lied about the budget being left bare by Obama because Trump requested budget cuts to the pandemic team. If the cupboards were bare then why request a cut, therefore Trump felt Obama was prepared and Trump swept the cupboard clean.

      You can’t make this up, and this is what the country is up against. They can not bear to see this country back to work and succeed.

    312. jason says:

      Proud Obamacon aka Roadkill Maggot.

      Attracted to deaths and stock market crashes like maggots to roadkill.

    313. Pitchaboy says:

      What is destructive is the stupidity of the Ozark morons. Crowding the pool and lake and beaches is abject stupidity and works right into the left’s narrative of country brutes defying science.

    314. Michelle Obama vs the DNC buffet table says:

      @319 I live in LA near the beaches just north of LAX. I can attest people are over it here- weekend traffic is back to normal, lots of people at beach (open but parking is closed). Backyard parties all over the weekend. My favorite liquor store said kegs are selling like wildfire

      I was out in Palm Springs (Riverside county) this weekend. Golf clubs, dine in restaurants and malls are all open again. I had my first meal out since early March – tacos and margaritas – it was everything I dreamed it would be

    315. jason says:

      My brilliance can be seen on the N/T